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#5 [00:10] <GreyVulpine> Testing..
#6 [00:11] <xales> one, two, three!
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#11 [00:16] * genshou walks in and sees explosion, puts hard hat on?
#11 [00:16] <genshou> >.>
#12 [00:17] <dmesg> Hi! When trying to play minecraft for the first time I keep getting "Fatal error occurred (4): Connection reset"
#13 [00:17] <dmesg> and trying to download the .jar gives me a 404 error, apparently the linux file is missing :(
#14 [00:18] <dmesg> any ideas?
#15 [00:18] <dopeghoti> dmesg: reset your DNS servers to 8.8.8.8; see if that helps.
#16 [00:18] <dmesg> dopeghoti: I'm on google DNS already :)
#17 [00:18] <dopeghoti> Hmm.
#18 [00:18] <dopeghoti> Can you go to www.minecraft.net in a browser?
#19 [00:18] <dmesg> aye.
#20 [00:18] <dmesg> (and its fast!)
#21 [00:18] <dopeghoti> (:
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#23 [00:19] <dopeghoti> let me try grapping the client..
#24 [00:19] * GreyVulpine kicks self
#24 [00:19] <dopeghoti> !client
#25 [00:19] <dopeghoti> Yeah, that link no longer works.
#26 [00:19] <GreyVulpine> For
#27 [00:19] <dmesg> goody!
#28 [00:19] <GreyVulpine> dopeghoti?
#29 [00:19] * dmesg is happy its not just him being stupid
#29 [00:19] <dopeghoti> GreyVulpine: Linux client URL above is a 404, Kealper .
#30 [00:19] * GreyVulpine nods
#30 [00:19] <GreyVulpine> try lowercase m
#31 [00:19] <GreyVulpine> minecraft.jar
#32 [00:20] <dopeghoti> GreyVulpine: so now there are two different _m_inecraft.jars? greeeeat.
#33 [00:20] <dmesg> works a charm!
#34 [00:20] <GreyVulpine> ^
#35 [00:20] <dmesg> its almost like they want you to connect to IRC and talk to nice people to get minecraft!
#36 [00:21] <dopeghoti> heh, well, that shouldn't be necessary, but I'm glad we could help
#37 [00:21] <dopeghoti> Kealper: you about, sir/ma'am?
#38 [00:22] <dmesg> hmm what are the differences between the "in browser" and "download" versions?
#39 [00:22] <xales> dmesg: The download version runs better IMHO, but otherwise, nothing really
#40 [00:22] <dopeghoti> dmesg: one requires you to also keep the browser running; the other is a standalone Java applet.
#41 [00:22] <dmesg> xales: okey dokey
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#43 [00:23] <dmesg> that's what I thought - but the website said it was meant for offline play so I was scared that it meant I couldn't use multiplayer or whatnot
#44 [00:24] <dmesg> also when its downloading the updates - is that over bittorrent or some other P2P protocol? Or from minecrafts servers?
#45 [00:24] <dmesg> (cause its really, really slow and tends to timeout)
#46 [00:24] <xales> From Amazon S3
#47 [00:24] <GreyVulpine> CDN
#48 [00:24] <dmesg> ah, okay then
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#52 [00:31] <dopeghoti> is anyone else finding the new Linux client to be terribly CPU-hogful?
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#54 [00:36] * genshou pokes GreyVulpine
#54 [00:37] <genshou> what was that HDD diagnostic program you mentioned last night?
#55 [00:37] <xales> genshou: For...?
#56 [00:38] <genshou> my poor dying hard drive ;<
#57 [00:38] <xales> No, I mean what OS :P
#58 [00:38] <genshou> tried basic scans to search for bad sectors
#59 [00:38] <genshou> I need something different, and WinXP-32
#60 [00:38] <genshou> sectors are all fine but it's slow as hell
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#65 [00:43] <lemon-rev> anyone getting the newest update this afternooon ?
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#71 [01:20] <Ookami-07> Hey, so I'm confused. Should the Launcher now look like the image on Notch's Tumblr?
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#74 [01:22] <GreyVulpine> Ookami-07 - No
#75 [01:22] <Rait> could i get someone to try to join mai server, the port forwarding i had to do confused me.
#76 [01:22] <Ookami-07> Hello?
#77 [01:22] <Ookami-07> oh
#78 [01:22] <GreyVulpine> just a work in progress
#79 [01:22] <Ookami-07> All irght
#80 [01:22] <Ookami-07> Rait: Sure, I guess.
#81 [01:22] <Ookami-07> Does the server work now?
#82 [01:22] <Rait> 97.92.1.188
#83 [01:23] <Ookami-07> sorry, does /Multiplayer/ work now
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#85 [01:23] <Rait> i beileve it should.
#86 [01:23] <Rait> believe*
#87 [01:23] <Ookami-07> Failed to connect, connection timed out.
#88 [01:24] <Ookami-07> But, I've never gotten multiplayer to work, so it might be me..
#89 [01:25] <Ookami-07> Does anyone know if Multiplayer should be working?
#90 [01:25] <GreyVulpine> MP should be working
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#92 [01:26] <Ookami-07> GreyVulpine: Would you happen to be able to help me figure out why mine isn't working?
#93 [01:27] <Rait> Grey, could you give a try getting into my server? cause i'm at a friends house, and their router is confusing. >_,
#94 [01:27] <Rait> >_<*
#95 [01:27] <Rait> The ip is 97.92.1.188
#96 [01:28] <lemon-rev> !check 97.92.1.188
#97 [01:28] <Ookami-07> lol
#98 [01:28] <Ookami-07> look grim
#99 [01:28] <lemon-rev> yup
#100 [01:29] <Rait> Hmm, D: i don't like this router..
#101 [01:29] <lemon-rev> what model is it,
#102 [01:29] <Rait> Ubee
#103 [01:29] <lemon-rev> ubee what ?
#104 [01:29] <Rait> no clue.
#105 [01:29] <lemon-rev> like model number
#106 [01:29] <lemon-rev> can you see if its on the box or something
#107 [01:29] <Rait> 1 sec.
#108 [01:31] <Rait> meh, i can't get to the router, it's in my friends parents room, and i can't go in..
#109 [01:31] <lemon-rev> oh
#110 [01:31] <lemon-rev> http://www.ubeeinteractive.com/user-guides/U10C019-U10C020_End_UserGuide_1.6-2009-02-20.pdf
#111 [01:31] <lemon-rev> something i came across
#112 [01:33] <Rait> Greyvulpine, you there?
#113 [01:34] <lemon-rev> rait
#114 [01:34] <Rait> hm?
#115 [01:34] <lemon-rev> can you login to your friends modem
#116 [01:34] <lemon-rev> or router
#117 [01:35] <Rait> yeah, i can get in it, but the port forwarding page thing confuses me.
#118 [01:35] <lemon-rev> hang
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#120 [01:37] <lemon-rev> 6
#121 [01:37] <lemon-rev> .2 GATEWAY
#122 [01:37] <lemon-rev> Under gateway, user can configure basic parameters like WAN IP address, LAN IP address, DHCP and DDNS. Also, advanced setting like DMZ, MAC filtering and port forwarding are included.
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#124 [01:39] <Ookami-07> So, now I'm getting "Connection Lost. Internal exception: java.io.UTFDataFormatException: malformed input around byte 5"
#125 [01:39] <GreyVulpine> Old server file
#126 [01:39] <lemon-rev> hm
#127 [01:39] <GreyVulpine> Are you running 1.2?
#128 [01:39] <Ookami-07> yes, i literally just updated.
#129 [01:39] <Rait> Hey grey, what was the site you used to upload pictures?
#130 [01:39] <GreyVulpine> You're absolutely sure
#131 [01:39] <GreyVulpine> imgur.com
#132 [01:39] <GreyVulpine> The server doesn't auto-update
#133 [01:40] <GreyVulpine> you need to download the newest version off the website
#134 [01:40] <Ookami-07> oh
#135 [01:40] <Ookami-07> what did this thing just download then?
#136 [01:40] <GreyVulpine> I just got into this conversation..
#137 [01:40] <GreyVulpine> sorry
#138 [01:40] <GreyVulpine> !server
#139 [01:41] <Rait> Lemon: i got the to the forwarding page, i have the right address in, but it says it's not working
#140 [01:41] <Rait> http://i.imgur.com/iY0UT.jpg
#141 [01:41] <lemon-rev> rait download that pdf i gave you the link to
#142 [01:41] <GreyVulpine> Wait.. why did you fill in the public ip?
#143 [01:41] <lemon-rev> what about under advanced port forwarding
#144 [01:41] <GreyVulpine> local ip should be the ip of the server
#145 [01:42] <Rait> Ohh
#146 [01:43] <Rait> and the recent MC version is 1.2_02 right?
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#148 [01:43] <Rait> !check 97.92.1.188
#149 [01:43] <Ookami-07> I'm confused. I have to have the Minecrafter_Server to play multiplayer?
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#151 [01:44] <lemon-rev> well if you want to host it, ookami
#152 [01:44] <Ookami-07> no, i don't want to host, just play someone else's
#153 [01:44] <lemon-rev> well then you just need ip of that person who you want to connect to
#154 [01:44] <lemon-rev> if its working
#155 [01:44] <lemon-rev> lol
#156 [01:44] <Xaviergmail> am I the only one who cant auth?
#157 [01:45] <Ookami-07> auth?
#158 [01:45] <Xaviergmail> client auth
#159 [01:45] <GreyVulpine> Oh
#160 [01:45] <GreyVulpine> Ookami-07 - then the error message you got was because the person you're connecting to, hasn't updated
#161 [01:45] <GreyVulpine> Try greyvulpine.dyndns.org
#162 [01:46] <GreyVulpine> wait
#163 [01:46] <Xaviergmail> grey any ideas why I can't auth?
#164 [01:46] <Rait> !check 97.92.1.188
#165 [01:46] <Rait> Gr.
#166 [01:46] <GreyVulpine> auth to?
#167 [01:47] <Xaviergmail> minecraft.net
#168 [01:47] <GreyVulpine> Um, I don't know
#169 [01:47] <Xaviergmail> can u log into xaviergmail.no-ip.biz
#170 [01:47] <Xaviergmail> ?
#171 [01:47] <lemon-rev> rait, where your putting those ports you might need to put one in front of that local ip or ip your useing, in the router then one at the end, cause the one right at the end of the list says its an ext port you might need to put that as just a guess dude
#172 [01:48] <GreyVulpine> sec
#173 [01:49] <GreyVulpine> Xaviergmail - Doesn't look like I can
#174 [01:49] <Xaviergmail> :(
#175 [01:50] <Xaviergmail> !check xaviergmail.no-ip.biz
#176 [01:50] <Xaviergmail> :/
#177 [01:50] <GreyVulpine> Looks like I'm timing out
#178 [01:50] <Xaviergmail> try opening a new client
#179 [01:50] <Xaviergmail> launcher cant even auth
#180 [01:50] <GreyVulpine> I think your server can't authenticate clients to minecraft.net
#181 [01:51] <GreyVulpine> Try greyvulpine.dyndns.org
#182 [01:51] <Xaviergmail> o now it works
#183 [01:51] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, now it does
#184 [01:51] <Xaviergmail> i can
#185 [01:51] <Xaviergmail> i wasnt able to connect to miencraft.net for some reasons :O
#186 [01:52] * GreyVulpine shrugs
#186 [01:53] <Rait> one last try.
#187 [01:53] <Rait> !check 97.92.1.188
#188 [01:53] <Rait> ;D
#189 [01:53] <lemon-rev> so what you change rait ?
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#192 [01:54] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, I can't connect to Rait
#193 [01:54] <lemon-rev> me either
#194 [01:54] <Rait> x_x, i can't even access the router now..
#195 [01:54] <GreyVulpine> O.o
#196 [01:54] <Rait> nvm there it goes
#197 [01:54] <GreyVulpine> Anyhoo, rait, the right fields you need to fill in are.
#198 [01:55] <GreyVulpine> local ip: your server's internal ip
#199 [01:55] <GreyVulpine> local port: 25565 (unless you changed it
#200 [01:55] <GreyVulpine> public ip: leave as 0.0.0.0
#201 [01:55] <GreyVulpine> public ports 25565-25565
#202 [01:55] <Rait> internal port?
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#204 [01:55] <Rait> Or do i leave that as 0 also?
#205 [01:56] <GreyVulpine> er, internal = local port
#206 [01:56] <GreyVulpine> internal port of 25565
#207 [01:56] <Rait> oh, okay.
#208 [01:56] <Rait> alright done.
#209 [01:56] <Rait> lemme get the server back running
#210 [01:56] <GreyVulpine> protocol TCP (minecraft right now, only uses TCP, but that may change in the future)
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#212 [01:57] <Rait> kay, it's up.
#213 [01:57] <GreyVulpine> Not even seeing it now
#214 [01:58] <GreyVulpine> Can you reupload a screenshot of that page?
#215 [01:58] <Rait> yeah
#216 [01:58] <GreyVulpine> make sure the local ip matches up with your server's 192.168.0.x ip
#217 [01:58] <Rait> http://i.imgur.com/s2AmR.jpg
#218 [01:59] <GreyVulpine> Wait.. that's not right...
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#220 [01:59] <GreyVulpine> Go to start -> run -> type in: cmd
#221 [01:59] <GreyVulpine> then ipconfig at the command prompt
#222 [01:59] <GreyVulpine> What is the ip address listed there
#223 [02:00] <Rait> 192.168.0.15
#224 [02:00] <Rait> and the other is 0.1
#225 [02:00] <GreyVulpine> Right, in your router's page, the local ip should be 0.15
#226 [02:00] <Rait> omg. >_>, i swear i hit the 5
#227 [02:01] <GreyVulpine> And I'm in
#228 [02:01] <Rait> ok. Thanks, just that router page confused me and it took me like 30 minutes to figure out the user and pass
#229 [02:02] <GreyVulpine> No prob
#230 [02:04] <GreyVulpine> those offbrand ISP-provided modem/routers can be a crapshoot in the dark sometimes
#231 [02:04] <GreyVulpine> Trust me.. I know..
#232 [02:04] <GreyVulpine> I have had to do tech support on so many craptacular brands.
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#236 [02:12] <valiumk> was there a server update with this latest patch¿
#237 [02:12] <GreyVulpine> No
#238 [02:12] <GreyVulpine> Was only a client update, to point to new servers after the migration
#239 [02:13] <valiumk> awesome
#240 [02:17] <valiumk> irc on kindle woot
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#242 [02:21] <Kxania> :D
#243 [02:21] <Kxania> Grey, you there?
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#245 [02:21] <Kxania> GreyVulpine.
#246 [02:22] <GreyVulpine> ?
#247 [02:22] <Kxania> It's me, stomper :D
#248 [02:22] <Kxania> ahah.
#249 [02:22] <Kxania> I'm still persuing my dream of running a server, :/
#250 [02:23] <GreyVulpine> Hmm?
#251 [02:23] <Kxania> What is the link to join your own, classic server?
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#253 [02:24] <GreyVulpine> if the externalURL doesn't work... then um
#254 [02:24] <GreyVulpine> http://www.minecraft.net/play.jsp?ip=127.0.0.1&port=25565&override=true
#255 [02:25] <Kxania> I'm trying to use mycraft.
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#257 [02:27] <GreyVulpine> Sorry, I'm not familiar with that one
#258 [02:27] <Kxania> It's pretty much a derivative of Mclawl, or whatever.. but it has a lot more options :D
#259 [02:29] <GreyVulpine> Ah, okay.
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#262 [02:30] <Kxania> how much ram do you need to run a classic server?
#263 [02:30] <GreyVulpine> Sorry, that I don't know
#264 [02:30] <GreyVulpine> I don't imagine much
#265 [02:33] <Kxania> ahh. k.
#266 [02:34] <Kxania> hmph.
#267 [02:34] <Kxania> it wont appear on the list of servers.
#268 [02:38] <Kxania> do you have any idea why that is?
#269 [02:38] <GreyVulpine> I'm sorry, no I don't
#270 [02:42] <Kxania> oh sweet, it's on the list now.
#271 [02:42] <Kxania> do you have any spare time, and see if you can connect?
#272 [02:43] <GreyVulpine> Sure
#273 [02:44] <Kxania> it's called "Kxanias Freebuild"
#274 [02:44] <GreyVulpine> Got a URL?
#275 [02:45] <Kxania> ugh.. hold on.
#276 [02:45] <Kxania> http://www.minecraft.net/play.jsp?server=79afc8c0318e6cf4b53d4eb60cdb9f7d
#277 [02:45] <Kxania> dunno if that would work.
#278 [02:47] <Kxania> Can you connect?
#279 [02:47] <GreyVulpine> Sorry, nope
#280 [02:48] <Kxania> grrr.r
#281 [02:48] <Kxania> What did it say?
#282 [02:48] <GreyVulpine> probably down
#283 [02:48] <Kxania> hmmm :/
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#285 [02:49] <Kxania> Any idea as to why that might be?
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#287 [02:50] <GreyVulpine> Any number of reasons, server isn't port forwarded correctly, computer might be dropping connections due to a security setting/program, the modded server could be the culprit, you might need to set something else up
#288 [02:51] <GreyVulpine> If I remember correctly, you needed mysql for mclawl, didn't you?
#289 [02:52] <Kxania> yes.
#290 [02:52] <GreyVulpine> Did you set it up correctly?
#291 [02:52] <Kxania> this doesn't need it.
#292 [02:52] <GreyVulpine> Ah
#293 [02:52] <Kxania> I don't think.
#294 [02:53] <GreyVulpine> I've only helped a few others on setting up custom classic servers, so I don't really know a lot
#295 [02:53] <xales> O_o
#296 [02:53] * xales is breakin stuff D:
#296 [02:53] <xales> Program received signal SIGABRT, Aborted.
#297 [02:53] <xales> [Switching to Thread 0xb781f8f0 (LWP 12121)]
#298 [02:53] <xales> 0xb7fe0402 in __kernel_vsyscall ()
#299 [02:53] <Kxania> I tried using the default software, but errors left and right.
#300 [02:53] <GreyVulpine> errors?
#301 [02:53] <GreyVulpine> That shouldn't happen
#302 [02:54] <Kxania> like, failed to load main class manifest attribute,
#303 [02:54] <Kxania> and stuff like that.
#304 [02:54] <GreyVulpine> Oh, that's because you were running the command where the .jar wasn't located in
#305 [02:55] <Kxania> O_o
#306 [02:55] <xales> GreyVulpine: Any idea why a simple program would start stack-smashing and get aborted during a realloc()
#307 [02:55] <GreyVulpine> O.o
#308 [02:56] <GreyVulpine> Not without looking at your code
#309 [02:56] <Xaviergmail> /join #bukkit
#310 [02:56] <Xaviergmail> oop
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#312 [02:57] <Kxania> well, can you tell me how to properly set up the default software?
#313 [02:57] <Kxania> (again :/)
#314 [02:58] <xales> GreyVulpine: http://darksigns.net/cstuff/parse.c.txt
#315 [02:58] <GreyVulpine> software there: http://www.minecraft.net/servers.jsp
#316 [02:58] <GreyVulpine> but.. but.. I'm playing a game right now
#317 [02:58] <xales> ._.
#318 [02:58] <xales> :'(
#319 [02:59] <GreyVulpine> I has a flamethrower, and I know how to use it
#320 [02:59] * xales hides behind Kealper
#320 [02:59] <xales> relevant paste:
#321 [02:59] <xales> ++list->num;
#322 [02:59] <xales> list->data = realloc(list->data, sizeof(long) * list->num);
#323 [02:59] <xales> list->data[list->num] = new;
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#325 [03:02] <Kxania> -.-
#326 [03:02] <Kxania> I recently reset my laptop, so I didn't realised I hadn't installed the JVM, thing.
#327 [03:03] <Kxania> .. it still wont work.
#328 [03:04] <Kxania> I still get that same error :/
#329 [03:05] <GreyVulpine> What's the exact error
#330 [03:06] <xales> GreyVulpine: I found the problem...forgot to add one to the realloc size >.>
#331 [03:06] <Kxania> Failed to load the main-class manifest attribute from... the folder the "minecraft-server" file is in.
#332 [03:07] <GreyVulpine> Kxania - You unzipped this into a new folder somewhere, correct?
#333 [03:07] <GreyVulpine> xales - Bleh
#334 [03:07] <GreyVulpine> I *just* finished a match
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#336 [03:07] <Kxania> no.
#337 [03:07] <Kxania> I unzipped it into the same directory,
#338 [03:08] <Kxania> :/
#339 [03:08] <GreyVulpine> What directory is that?
#340 [03:09] <Kxania> c:\users\brett\documents\minecraft-server-1
#341 [03:09] <Kxania> I accidently downloaded it twice.
#342 [03:09] <GreyVulpine> You're not running it straight from the zip?
#343 [03:09] <GreyVulpine> right?
#344 [03:09] <Kxania> no.
#345 [03:09] <Kxania> i'm not.
#346 [03:10] <GreyVulpine> You did unzip it, it did give you start-server.bat and minecraft-server.jar and those files
#347 [03:10] <GreyVulpine> Did you launch it via the .bat file?
#348 [03:11] <Kxania> I get this (when I run the .bat): 'java' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
#349 [03:11] <Kxania> operable program or batch file.
#350 [03:11] <Kxania> Press any key to continue . . .
#351 [03:11] <GreyVulpine> Aaah, there's the problem
#352 [03:11] <GreyVulpine> java isn't in your environment variables
#353 [03:12] <GreyVulpine> Alright then, go to your control panel.
#354 [03:12] <Kxania> k
#355 [03:12] <GreyVulpine> Look for the java app
#356 [03:12] <Kxania> ... it's 32 bit.
#357 [03:12] <Kxania> there's the problem right ther.
#358 [03:13] <GreyVulpine> You'll just need to add the path manually to your system
#359 [03:13] <GreyVulpine> In the java app, go to the java tab at the top
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#361 [03:13] <GreyVulpine> Then click on the view button
#362 [03:13] <GreyVulpine> copy/paste the path location here
#363 [03:13] <Kxania> wait up.
#364 [03:14] <Kxania> I gotta download the 64 bit version 1st, but yeah.
#365 [03:17] <Kxania> wow, its so hard to find.
#366 [03:18] <Kxania> do i need to download like, a jvm 64 bit?
#367 [03:18] <Kxania> or jdk, or what?
#368 [03:19] <GreyVulpine> jre
#369 [03:19] <Kxania> k
#370 [03:21] <Kxania> ... still cant find it, ffs.
#371 [03:22] <Kxania> wait, hold on a sec.
#372 [03:22] <Kxania> nvm..
#373 [03:23] <GreyVulpine> Really, you can run a 32bit jre on a 64 bit system
#374 [03:23] <Kxania> :/
#375 [03:24] <Kxania> k
#376 [03:24] <Kxania> ill just do the manual, thing.
#377 [03:24] <GreyVulpine> Alright
#378 [03:25] <GreyVulpine> Control panel -> java -> java tab at the top -> view
#379 [03:25] <GreyVulpine> Copy/paste the Path location here
#380 [03:25] <Kxania> ? copy and paste?
#381 [03:25] <GreyVulpine> yes
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#383 [03:27] <GreyVulpine> 'lo?
#384 [03:27] <Kxania> hold on.
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#386 [03:28] <Kxania> this is being a pain in the ass, gimme a minute or too.
#387 [03:28] <Kxania> two**
#388 [03:29] <Kxania> k, there.
#389 [03:29] <GreyVulpine> Hmm?
#390 [03:29] <Kxania> wait, wtf.
#391 [03:30] <Kxania> I have no idea what is going on.
#392 [03:30] <Kxania> it still wont recognize java.
#393 [03:30] <GreyVulpine> You're not done yet
#394 [03:30] <GreyVulpine> I needed to know what the path is
#395 [03:30] <Kxania> to what? The .jar, or the .bat?
#396 [03:31] <Kxania> C:\Users\Brett\Documents\minecraft-server
#397 [03:31] <Kxania> that's the folder...
#398 [03:31] <GreyVulpine> No, when I told you to go to the java tab, view button..
#399 [03:31] <Kxania> yeg
#400 [03:31] <GreyVulpine> That should've popped up the Path
#401 [03:31] <Kxania> oh
#402 [03:31] <GreyVulpine> C:\program files....
#403 [03:31] <Kxania> aha, yeah
#404 [03:31] <GreyVulpine> I sorta would like to know what that path is
#405 [03:31] <Kxania> C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jre6\bin\javaw.exe
#406 [03:31] <GreyVulpine> Thanks, you can close that now
#407 [03:31] <GreyVulpine> In the control panel, go to your system
#408 [03:32] <GreyVulpine> Advanced tab
#409 [03:32] <GreyVulpine> There should be a button for environment variables
#410 [03:32] <Kxania> ugghh
#411 [03:32] <GreyVulpine> ...
#412 [03:33] <Kxania> Control panel > System and security > System. right?
#413 [03:33] <GreyVulpine> Yeah
#414 [03:33] <Kxania> whoops.
#415 [03:34] <Kxania> completely went over that button. sorry.
#416 [03:34] <Kxania> continue.
#417 [03:34] <GreyVulpine> Got environment variables open?
#418 [03:34] <Kxania> ye
#419 [03:34] <Kxania> yeh**
#420 [03:34] <GreyVulpine> Bottom panel should be system variables, look for a PATH variable
#421 [03:35] <Kxania> yeh, there's path, and pathtext.
#422 [03:35] <Kxania> go to path, I'm guessing.
#423 [03:35] <GreyVulpine> Path is what you want
#424 [03:35] <Kxania> k
#425 [03:35] <GreyVulpine> You'll see a bunch of paths in there, each seperated by a semicolon (;)
#426 [03:35] <Kxania> yeh
#427 [03:35] <GreyVulpine> What you're going to do is, at the very end, add a semicolon.
#428 [03:36] <GreyVulpine> Then, immediately, paste this in:
#429 [03:36] <GreyVulpine> C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jre6\bin\
#430 [03:36] <Kxania> wait, wait.
#431 [03:36] <Kxania> in the variable value?
#432 [03:36] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#433 [03:36] <Kxania> all it has is:
#434 [03:36] <GreyVulpine> It should be very long
#435 [03:37] <Kxania> yeh
#436 [03:37] <Kxania> k.
#437 [03:37] <GreyVulpine> Got it?
#438 [03:37] <Kxania> yep
#439 [03:37] <GreyVulpine> Close that now
#440 [03:37] <Kxania> k
#441 [03:37] <GreyVulpine> Open up a new command prompt, type in: java -version
#442 [03:38] <Kxania> java version "1.6.0_23"
#443 [03:38] <Kxania> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_23-b05)
#444 [03:38] <Kxania> Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 19.0-b09, mixed mode, sharing)
#445 [03:38] <GreyVulpine> great, 'java' works now
#446 [03:38] <aetherian> yay
#447 [03:38] <GreyVulpine> You can run the minecraft server now
#448 [03:38] * aetherian is back
#448 [03:38] <Kxania> awesome, thanks again :D
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#450 [03:39] <GreyVulpine> mhmm
#451 [03:41] <Kxania> but the minecraft-server, .jar, I think it is, still doesn't work.
#452 [03:41] <Kxania> is that ok?
#453 [03:41] <GreyVulpine> You need to run it with start server.bat
#454 [03:41] <GreyVulpine> double clicking minecraft-server.jar won't run it
#455 [03:42] <Kxania> ohk.
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#457 [03:42] <Kxania> wait.
#458 [03:42] <Kxania> what exactly do you mean by that?
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#460 [03:43] <GreyVulpine> the start server.bat contains the command line to execute minecraft-server.jar
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#463 [03:44] <mib_Guardd> Hey, I need some help with my minecraft DL
#464 [03:45] <GreyVulpine> what about it?
#465 [03:45] <mib_Guardd> When I download the launcher
#466 [03:45] <mib_Guardd> And run it, all its makes is the windows error noise and nothing happens
#467 [03:45] <mib_Guardd> No error or anything
#468 [03:46] <GreyVulpine> Can you pull up the task manager, make sure you don't have a javaw.exe process running?
#469 [03:46] <mib_Guardd> Ok let me see
#470 [03:47] <mib_Guardd> I don't think it was ever running
#471 [03:47] <mib_Guardd> Cause I do not see it
#472 [03:47] <GreyVulpine> Okay, then, under the performance tab, how much free physical memory do you have?
#473 [03:48] <mib_Guardd> 2096300 it says
#474 [03:48] <GreyVulpine> Hmm.
#475 [03:48] <GreyVulpine> Do you have java installed on that machine?
#476 [03:49] <mib_Guardd> Yes I do
#477 [03:49] <mib_Guardd> I uninstalled and re installed
#478 [03:49] <mib_Guardd> Nothing =/
#479 [03:50] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, under physical memory, that 2096300 was under total or available?
#480 [03:51] <mib_Guardd> 1350000 - 1352300
#481 [03:51] <mib_Guardd> ITs fluxing
#482 [03:51] <mib_Guardd> Now up to 1352000
#483 [03:51] <GreyVulpine> available.
#484 [03:52] <mib_Guardd> Yeah, its jumping around
#485 [03:52] <mib_Guardd> Between those numbers
#486 [03:52] <GreyVulpine> Okay.
#487 [03:52] <GreyVulpine> So it's not ram, it's not java...
#488 [03:53] <mib_Guardd> Yeah, its got me stumped
#489 [03:53] <mib_Guardd> I can play in browser though
#490 [03:53] <mib_Guardd> But the days when the internet maybe out I want it on my desktop
#491 [03:54] <grand> anyone here know a good 4 port mini sas raid controller under 500$?
#492 [03:54] <Kxania> google it.
#493 [03:54] <Kxania> :P
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#495 [03:55] <grand> have to no luck :P was worth a shot
#496 [04:00] <mib_Guardd> So any ideas on what it maybe Grey?
#497 [04:00] <GreyVulpine> Hmm
#498 [04:00] <GreyVulpine> Can you download the minecraft.jar version
#499 [04:00] <GreyVulpine> launch it via command line?
#500 [04:00] <GreyVulpine> See if it spits out any errors?
#501 [04:00] <mib_Guardd> Not a clue how, but its worth a shot
#502 [04:00] <GreyVulpine> !client
#503 [04:00] <GreyVulpine> erm
#504 [04:01] <GreyVulpine> yeah
#505 [04:01] <mib_Guardd> Ok lol, so I want which link?
#506 [04:01] <GreyVulpine> use: http://minecraft.net/download/minecraft.jar
#507 [04:01] <mib_Guardd> Ok
#508 [04:01] <mib_Guardd> Ok got it
#509 [04:01] <GreyVulpine> Download to a place where you can navigate to it via command prompt easily
#510 [04:02] <mib_Guardd> Ok
#511 [04:02] <mib_Guardd> done
#512 [04:02] <GreyVulpine> Once you download it, go to your start menu -> cmd in the search bar/run command
#513 [04:03] <GreyVulpine> Can you navigate to that folder where you downloaded the .jar file to
#514 [04:03] <mib_Guardd> Ok got the cmd up
#515 [04:03] <mib_Guardd> Totally forgot how to use this
#516 [04:03] <mib_Guardd> Heh
#517 [04:03] <GreyVulpine> Where did you download the file to
#518 [04:03] <mib_Guardd> My desktop
#519 [04:03] <mib_Guardd> if thats fine
#520 [04:03] <GreyVulpine> sure
#521 [04:03] <GreyVulpine> type in cd desktop
#522 [04:04] <mib_Guardd> ok there
#523 [04:04] <GreyVulpine> do you have c:\users\yourname\desktop?
#524 [04:04] <GreyVulpine> okay
#525 [04:04] <GreyVulpine> then.
#526 [04:04] <GreyVulpine> java -Xmx1024M -Xms512M -cp Minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame
#527 [04:04] <GreyVulpine> wait
#528 [04:04] <GreyVulpine> java -Xmx1024M -Xms512M -cp minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame
#529 [04:04] <GreyVulpine> lowercase m
#530 [04:05] <mib_Guardd> lower case m where?
#531 [04:05] <mib_Guardd> For mine craft?
#532 [04:05] <mib_Guardd> minecraft*
#533 [04:05] <GreyVulpine> yes
#534 [04:06] <mib_Guardd> Could not creat Java virtual machine
#535 [04:06] <GreyVulpine> Is that what it says?
#536 [04:07] <GreyVulpine> The entire thing?
#537 [04:08] <mib_Guardd> Error occurred during initialization VM Could not reserve enough space for object heap Could not create Java Virtual machine
#538 [04:08] <mib_Guardd> It said those 3
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#540 [04:08] <Kxania> (http://minecraft.net/play.jsp?server=79afc8c0318e6cf4b53d4eb60cdb9f7d)
#541 [04:09] <GreyVulpine> Kxania - You did port forward correctly, right?
#542 [04:09] <GreyVulpine> mib_Guardd - Try um..
#543 [04:10] <Kxania> I believe so.
#544 [04:10] <Kxania> let me re check.
#545 [04:10] <GreyVulpine> java -Xmx128M -Xms128M -cp minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame
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#547 [04:11] <xales> mib_Guardd: Do you have any antivirus programs?
#548 [04:11] <mib_Guardd> There you go
#549 [04:11] <mib_Guardd> Its working
#550 [04:11] <mib_Guardd> Launcher is open
#551 [04:11] <xales> (or other 'computer security') type things - because those could cause such an issue
#552 [04:11] <GreyVulpine> Not enough free contiguous ram
#553 [04:12] <mib_Guardd> Lol, in words I can understand please :)
#554 [04:12] <Kxania> k, try now :D
#555 [04:12] <GreyVulpine> mib_Guardd - It works now :P
#556 [04:13] <mib_Guardd> Lol, so do I have to cmd this all the time now? =/
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#558 [04:13] <GreyVulpine> No
#559 [04:13] <Kxania> no?
#560 [04:13] <GreyVulpine> hold on kx
#561 [04:13] <Kxania> ok.
#562 [04:14] <GreyVulpine> xales - Mind walking him through making a batch file?
#563 [04:14] <xales> GreyVulpine: Uhh...Fine. First...
#564 [04:14] <xales> mib_Guardd: Try playing, make sure it actually works
#565 [04:14] <mib_Guardd> I logged in
#566 [04:15] <mib_Guardd> and I ca start a world
#567 [04:15] <mib_Guardd> So id say its working
#568 [04:15] <xales> Not just logging in - go into the actual game and mine out a few blocks
#569 [04:15] <mib_Guardd> Yup
#570 [04:15] <GreyVulpine> Kxania - I can't connect still
#571 [04:15] <xales> Ok
#572 [04:16] <xales> mib_Guardd: Are you using XP or vista/7?
#573 [04:16] <Kxania> Yeh I know
#574 [04:16] <Kxania> I was still forwarding the server.
#575 [04:16] <Kxania> my router is a slow piece of crap
#576 [04:16] <mib_Guardd> XP, but 1 thing I do notice though.... there is no sound
#577 [04:16] <Kxania> k, there we go.
#578 [04:17] <xales> mib_Guardd: Start->Run type in notepad and click Run
#579 [04:17] <mib_Guardd> Ok
#580 [04:17] <mib_Guardd> Notepad open
#581 [04:17] <xales> In there, paste the command you used to start Minecraft (java -Xmx128M -Xms128M -cp minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame)
#582 [04:18] <mib_Guardd> ok
#583 [04:18] <xales> Make a new line before that one, and on it put "@echo off" (without quotes)
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#586 [04:19] <Solvius> goodmorning :)
#587 [04:19] <xales> Then, add a line under the java line and type "pause"
#588 [04:19] <mib_Guardd> Ok
#589 [04:19] <xales> Solvius: o/
#590 [04:19] <mib_Guardd> k
#591 [04:19] <monkey> Hello, 1 of my friend is having trouble connecting to minecraft.net as well as logging in, even tho the server appeared to be up
#592 [04:19] <xales> monkey: Does he get an error?
#593 [04:19] <Kxania> mornin.
#594 [04:19] <Kxania> grey did you try?
#595 [04:19] <xales> mib_Guardd: click File->Save As...
#596 [04:20] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, still nothing Kxania
#597 [04:20] <Kxania> really?
#598 [04:20] <mib_Guardd> k
#599 [04:20] <Kxania> Grrrrggrr!
#600 [04:20] <xales> in the save dialog, with the type dropdown, change it to "All Files (*.*)"
#601 [04:20] <mib_Guardd> Ok
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#603 [04:21] <xales> Now, give it the name 'minecraft.bat' (again without quotes) and put it in the folder with minecraft.jar
#604 [04:21] <mib_Guardd> ok
#605 [04:22] <xales> Now, in that folder, you should see the .bat file - when you double-click it, it should open Minecraft
#606 [04:22] <mib_Guardd> Oh cool
#607 [04:22] <mib_Guardd> Ok
#608 [04:22] <mib_Guardd> let me check
#609 [04:22] <xales> If that does work, I think you can right-click on it and select 'Create Shortcut' and place that on your desktop
#610 [04:22] <xales> (the shortcut it makes, not the .bat file)
#611 [04:22] <mib_Guardd> Yes it does!
#612 [04:23] <mib_Guardd> Thanks
#613 [04:23] <xales> No problem - have fun with Minecraft
#614 [04:23] <mib_Guardd> I want to check if it has sound first though
#615 [04:23] <mib_Guardd> Last time it didnt
#616 [04:24] <mib_Guardd> No sound now, gosh
#617 [04:24] <GreyVulpine> Kxania - Can you give me a screenshot of your port forward settings?
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#619 [04:24] <xales> mib_Guardd: Check that sounds in other programs work while Minecraft is open
#620 [04:24] <Kxania> remember when you tried to help me last time, grey?
#621 [04:24] <GreyVulpine> I'm sorry, no I don't
#622 [04:24] <Kxania> I'm Stomper.
#623 [04:24] <Kxania> :/
#624 [04:24] <monkey> @xales my friend is getting error msg: cant connect to minecraft.net
#625 [04:25] <Kxania> anyway, I'll show ya.
#626 [04:25] <mib_Guardd> Yeah, other sounds are working, just not minecraft
#627 [04:25] <xales> monkey: It would be easier for us to find the problem if your friend was here to ask for help
#628 [04:26] <monkey> i will just relay information, since he was restarting pc that's why it took so long
#629 [04:26] <xales> monkey: It would be much faster and easier if he could come on himself - is there a reason that he can't?
#630 [04:27] <monkey> is there any web irc for this ?
#631 [04:27] <xales> Yes.
#632 [04:27] <Kxania> http://img121.imageshack.us/i/asgas.jpg/
#633 [04:27] <Kxania> belkin router.
#634 [04:27] <mib_Guardd> Xales, there is sound on my other programs
#635 [04:27] <mib_Guardd> just not minecraft
#636 [04:28] <GreyVulpine> Kxania - Are you sure your computer's ip is still 2.2?
#637 [04:28] <xales> mib_Guardd: Check the sound settings, I guess
#638 [04:28] <Kxania> yes.
#639 [04:28] <xales> GreyVulpine: Double NAT maybe?
#640 [04:28] <mib_Guardd> At 100%
#641 [04:28] <Kxania> I just checked with ipconfig
#642 [04:29] <GreyVulpine> xales - I helped Kxania before, just don't remember
#643 [04:29] <GreyVulpine> so yeah, probably double nat
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#645 [04:29] <monkey> @xales, my friend is here, his name is jamjam
#646 [04:29] <xales> mib_Guardd: Back to my other question - do you have any 'computer security' programs? Many of them don't like Java apps
#647 [04:29] <xales> monkey: ok
#648 [04:30] <mib_Guardd> Uh possibly my Zonealarm
#649 [04:30] <GreyVulpine> Kxania - Okay, umm, windows firewall off?
#650 [04:30] <mib_Guardd> It blocks internet though
#651 [04:30] <xales> jamjam: So what is the problem?
#652 [04:30] <xales> mib_Guardd: Is that it? Do you have any kind of 'antivirus' or 'antispyware'?
#653 [04:30] <mib_Guardd> Nope, just a firewall
#654 [04:31] <mib_Guardd> I know unsafe, but im rarely on anyways
#655 [04:31] <GreyVulpine> zonealarm does tend to cause trouble from time to time with minecraft.
#656 [04:31] <mib_Guardd> Really?
#657 [04:31] <Kxania> oh, no it isn't.
#658 [04:31] <mib_Guardd> Should I disable ?
#659 [04:31] <Kxania> I don't have any other firewall other than windows aatm.
#660 [04:31] <Kxania> ill turn it off.
#661 [04:31] <GreyVulpine> zonealarm, at times, tends to not turn off on command either
#662 [04:32] <Kxania> k its off.
#663 [04:32] <GreyVulpine> Many people who try to set up servers have problems
#664 [04:32] <xales> mib_Guardd: Try disabling it, see if that helps at all...
#665 [04:32] <Kxania> http://minecraft.net/play.jsp?server=79afc8c0318e6cf4b53d4eb60cdb9f7d
#666 [04:32] <xales> But I'm guessing the issue is related to trying to run it with next-to-no RAM
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#668 [04:33] <GreyVulpine> Kxania - Still nothing
#669 [04:33] <GaurdD> Ok sorry, I d/ced
#670 [04:33] <Kxania> Ggrrrrr.
#671 [04:34] <Kxania> Well, theere's nothing else I can really do, eh?
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#673 [04:34] <GreyVulpine> I'm stumped Kxania, other than rechecking your entire port forwarding setup
#674 [04:34] <GreyVulpine> Make sure nothing's changed there
#675 [04:35] <Kxania> ....
#676 [04:35] <Kxania> it wasn't enabled.
#677 [04:35] <Kxania> god dammit.
#678 [04:35] * GreyVulpine blinks
#678 [04:35] <Kxania> the enable thing, wasn't checked.
#679 [04:35] <Kxania> i feel like a dumbass now.
#680 [04:35] <Kxania> k, try now.
#681 [04:37] <GreyVulpine> It's forcing me into SP mode
#682 [04:37] <GreyVulpine> server up?
#683 [04:37] <Kxania> yeaaaah....?
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#685 [04:37] <Kxania> I believe so.
#686 [04:37] <Kxania> I've got the .bat open.
#687 [04:38] <Kxania> it's runnning.
#688 [04:38] <GreyVulpine> Not even giving me an error message, just forcing me to SP
#689 [04:38] <Kxania> hmm.
#690 [04:38] <Kxania> wait, try this:
#691 [04:38] <Kxania> http://www.minecraft.net/play.jsp?server=79afc8c0318e6cf4b53d4eb60cdb9f7d
#692 [04:39] <GreyVulpine> nope
#693 [04:39] <GreyVulpine> Can anybody else try that link?
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#696 [04:40] <xales> I'm trying but...this laptop probably can't handle it
#697 [04:42] <monkey> my friend is getting disconnected everytime he logs onto the irc
#698 [04:42] <Kxania> so, my server isn't working for anyone?
#699 [04:42] <xales> Nope, same issue GreyVulpine
#700 [04:43] <Kxania> :/
#701 [04:43] <xales> monkey: It shows his client as closing
#702 [04:45] <xales> monkey: Have him go to http://speedtest.net/ and run a test
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#704 [04:50] <Kxania> oh whell.
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#706 [04:52] <netherian> ugh windows. I'm not allowed to delete the file-but I own it!
#707 [04:52] <netherian> that's the problem with windows.
#708 [04:53] <netherian> someone always leaves it open
#709 [04:53] <netherian> and lets the bgs in
#710 [04:53] <netherian> bugs in
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#712 [04:53] <netherian> night guys
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#714 [04:56] <xales> monkey: You still there?
#715 [04:56] <monkey> hi
#716 [04:56] <monkey> yes
#717 [04:56] <xales> Did you have your friend run the speedtest?
#718 [04:57] <monkey> not yet
#719 [04:57] <xales> planning on doing that?
#720 [04:58] <monkey> he done the speed test
#721 [04:58] <monkey> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1122462286.png
#722 [04:59] <Kxania> why cant I say stuff in #minecraft!?
#723 [04:59] <GreyVulpine> Read the /topic
#724 [05:00] <Kxania> Yeh, I thought so..
#725 [05:00] <Kxania> how long does it take for the email to come through?
#726 [05:01] <GreyVulpine> email?
#727 [05:01] <Kxania> i've been waiting a day. -.-
#728 [05:01] <GreyVulpine> to register?
#729 [05:01] <GreyVulpine> it's usually instant
#730 [05:01] <GreyVulpine> check spam folder
#731 [05:01] <xales> monkey: Have him download this and do a quick scan, then let us know what, if anything, is found - http://www.malwarebytes.org/mbam-download.php
#732 [05:01] <Kxania> Apparently you get sent an email with the confirmation code.
#733 [05:01] <xales> Kxania: What email provider?
#734 [05:01] <xales> some of them gobble it and don't give it to you, even in spam folder
#735 [05:01] <Kxania> hotmail.
#736 [05:01] <Kxania> nvm, I got it.
#737 [05:02] <monkey> ok
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#739 [05:08] <monkey> nothing found
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#743 [05:22] <Beharede> I can't pick up water with my bucket, do you know why?
#744 [05:23] <Beharede> Anyone?
#745 [05:23] <nipper> single player or smp?
#746 [05:24] <Beharede> Single
#747 [05:24] <nipper> are you trying to pick up a water source or a flow?
#748 [05:25] <Beharede> Flow I think
#749 [05:25] <Beharede> Doesn't that work?
#750 [05:25] <nipper> no
#751 [05:26] <nipper> you need to use it on the source of the water
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#753 [05:26] <Beharede> Okey, got it thanks
#754 [05:27] <Beharede> Can you make your own source, or do I have to walk down to the sea everytime?
#755 [05:27] <nipper> you kind of can
#756 [05:27] <nipper> but takes 2 water sources to make a repeating source
#757 [05:28] <nipper> Come on to my smp server i can show you how
#758 [05:29] <nipper> the address is mc.mcdominion.net
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#761 [05:35] <Kxania> lol, nice way to advertise.
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#764 [05:45] <Beharede> On what level do you find iron easiest?
#765 [05:48] <SinZ> 64 down
#766 [05:49] <Kxania> hhahaha
#767 [05:49] <bacon> no way SinZ
#768 [05:49] <bacon> Too much lava-filled caverns
#769 [05:49] <Kxania> 10-15
#770 [05:49] <bacon> For mining you should mine above the lava (10) and below 16
#771 [05:50] <bacon> those values are blocks-above-bedrock
#772 [05:50] <Kxania> Or, sea level down
#773 [05:50] <Kxania> :/
#774 [05:51] <SinZ> which i said...
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#776 [05:53] <bacon> 54 below sea level and 48 below
#777 [05:53] <xales> Blocks spawn just as often at any given level below the first one they spawn on
#778 [05:54] <linux4ever> hi all
#779 [05:54] <xales> hello
#780 [05:54] <linux4ever> could someone advice me a good map render software?
#781 [05:55] * GreyVulpine poitns linux4ever at http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Programs_and_Editors
#781 [05:55] <xales> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Map_Editing#Mapping
#782 [05:55] <linux4ever> i know
#783 [05:55] <linux4ever> but which is the best
#784 [05:55] <linux4ever> thank in advance
#785 [05:55] <linux4ever> sorry, it's "thanks"
#786 [05:57] <GreyVulpine> All depends on what you want
#787 [05:57] <GreyVulpine> "best" is relative
#788 [05:58] <linux4ever> I just want to know which you like best, but it should be possible to make the players position visible and it should be easy to use
#789 [05:58] <linux4ever> (it's for a frind)
#790 [05:58] <linux4ever> damn, "friend"
#791 [05:59] <xales> linux4ever: Do you want to edit a map or just look at it?
#792 [05:59] <linux4ever> just look
#793 [05:59] <linux4ever> => map viewer
#794 [05:59] <xales> Try cartograph then
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#796 [06:00] <GreyVulpine> I'm a bit of a fan of mcmap
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#798 [06:06] <Pantserator> I was wondering if anyone would be so kind as to connect to my new server, so I can see if others can connect to it?
#799 [06:07] <xales> The bot can check it
#800 [06:07] <xales> unfortuantely, I can't do it (this laptop can't run MC)
#801 [06:07] <xales> what is the IP?
#802 [06:08] <Pantserator> 98.165.4.97
#803 [06:08] <xales> !check 98.165.4.97
#804 [06:08] <Pantserator> Whoops
#805 [06:08] <Pantserator> Guess I messed up
#806 [06:08] <Pantserator> Thanks though
#807 [06:11] <GreyVulpine> Huh, neat, mcmap transformed into Tectonicus
#808 [06:11] <GreyVulpine> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Tectonicus
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#810 [06:13] <Kxania> mcmap?
#811 [06:13] <GreyVulpine> map viewer
#812 [06:14] <Kxania> oh, k.
#813 [06:14] <GreyVulpine> basically can take maps, render them, and plop them into google maps
#814 [06:15] <Kxania> ahh, k.
#815 [06:15] <GreyVulpine> Then can upload them as such onto a website for users to see the evolution of your map
#816 [06:15] <nipper> !check mc.mcdominion.net
#817 [06:15] <nipper> i wonder
#818 [06:15] <nipper> !check microsoft.com:80
#819 [06:16] <nipper> o look microsoft running a mc server.
#820 [06:16] <Kxania> ?
#821 [06:16] <nipper> nothing making fun of AuBot and its port scanner.
#822 [06:17] <SinZ> !check mca.uk.to
#823 [06:17] <SinZ> ah
#824 [06:18] <SinZ> hmm, next time i'll test with server on
#825 [06:18] <Kxania> !check myballs.com
#826 [06:18] <Kxania> :O
#827 [06:18] <nipper> lol
#828 [06:18] <Kxania> Wait, wtf.. thats actually a website?!?!
#829 [06:18] <nipper> !check myballs.com:80
#830 [06:19] <Kxania> ahaahaha
#831 [06:19] <nipper> lol
#832 [06:19] <nipper> I can't stop laughing.
#833 [06:19] <Kxania> ahahaahaha
#834 [06:20] <nipper> :*( everyone on my server seems to have gone to bed.
#835 [06:20] <Kxania> ip?
#836 [06:20] <nipper> mc.mcdominion.net
#837 [06:21] <SinZ> !check mca.uk.to
#838 [06:21] <SinZ> =D
#839 [06:21] <nipper> http://mcdominion.net:8123/ = the dynmap of it.
#840 [06:21] <Kxania> !check ifmyballshavecancer.com:80
#841 [06:21] <Kxania> ahahahhhahaha
#842 [06:21] <GreyVulpine> myballs can't be any worse than rim.jobs
#843 [06:21] <GreyVulpine> actual site
#844 [06:22] <Kxania> ahahahaa!
#845 [06:22] <SinZ> !check imageshack.us
#846 [06:22] <Kxania> nah, myballs is actually just a site where they show people getting hit in the nads.
#847 [06:22] <GreyVulpine> job listing for a legit site
#848 [06:22] <SinZ> !check imageshack.us:80
#849 [06:22] <SinZ> images hack us is fine?!
#850 [06:22] <nipper> lol
#851 [06:23] <Kxania> !check if-my-balls-have-cancer.com:80
#852 [06:23] <Kxania> HAahahahaha!!!
#853 [06:23] <Kxania> That is beautiful.
#854 [06:24] <nipper> Now if aubot really wanted to check it would connect to the server and if it got a not vaild client in return would be better for server checking.
#855 [06:24] <Kxania> yeh.
#856 [06:25] <Kxania> !check if-this-number-80-is-okay.com:80
#857 [06:25] <Kxania> haahha
#858 [06:25] <Kxania> I'll stop now.
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#861 [06:34] <Product> Hi all.
#862 [06:34] <xales> Hello
#863 [06:35] <Product> Why can't I change my skin ?
#864 [06:35] <Product> Servers haven't migrated already ?
#865 [06:35] <xales> They are currently finishing up the server move
#866 [06:35] <xales> Skin changing is the last thing to be done, unfortunately
#867 [06:35] <Product> Oh, now I understand.
#868 [06:35] <Product> Can I ask how long it will take ?
#869 [06:36] <Product> 1 Hour ? 2 Hours :) ?
#870 [06:37] <xales> No idea, sorry
#871 [06:37] <Product> Nvm, There are bugs with skins I think, because my friends can't see my currently skin. Oh ok.
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#874 [06:44] <Kxania> what is the name for something that gives you statistics?
#875 [06:45] <xales> In what context?
#876 [06:45] <Kxania> hmmm.
#877 [06:45] <xales> well, statistics for what specifically
#878 [06:45] <Kxania> specific minecraft server info,
#879 [06:45] <Kxania> like, number of users, etc.
#880 [06:45] <xales> you could try something like http://minestatus.net/
#881 [06:47] <Kxania> :/
#882 [06:47] <Kxania> Can I give you an example?
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#884 [06:48] <Kxania> http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1025&t=116139
#885 [06:48] <Kxania> Just scroll down a little.
#886 [06:48] <Kxania> and you'll see that little thing.
#887 [06:48] <xales> Oh, that graph thing?
#888 [06:48] <Kxania> yeah
#889 [06:48] <Kxania> ....
#890 [06:49] <Kxania> and the info below it.
#891 [06:49] <Kxania> something like that.
#892 [06:49] <Kxania> but appareantly you have to pay for that.
#893 [06:50] <xales> No, that is a service provided by the server host
#894 [06:50] <Kxania> yeh
#895 [06:50] <xales> Rather easy to do on Linux, but I know of no easy way to do it under Windows
#896 [06:51] <Kxania> :/ Damn.
#897 [06:52] <xales> Yet another reason people don't use Windows for server hosting
#898 [06:52] <Kxania> haha, true.
#899 [06:53] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, multiplay, that's a game hosting company, isn't it?
#900 [06:53] <Kxania> Think so.
#901 [06:53] <GreyVulpine> I believe they provide stuff like that graph to people who use their hosting plans
#902 [06:54] <Kxania> Xales.
#903 [06:54] <Kxania> how would you go about making this graph, on a linux?
#904 [06:54] <Kxania> The server I use is run on linux :D
#905 [06:55] <xales> Uhh
#906 [06:55] <xales> Find a system usage monitor
#907 [06:55] * xales looks
#907 [06:56] <xales> http://munin-monitoring.org/
#908 [06:56] <xales> theres one
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#910 [06:58] <Kxania> what exactly do I do>
#911 [06:58] <Kxania> ?
#912 [06:59] <xales> You would have to install that on the server
#913 [07:00] <Kxania> ahh.
#914 [07:02] <Kxania> thanks, man.
#915 [07:02] <Kxania> :D
#916 [07:08] <MrBigCookie> Can you ask questions about payment for the game here?
#917 [07:09] <xales> Depends on the question
#918 [07:09] <xales> Just ask, if we can't answer we will let you know
#919 [07:09] <MrBigCookie> Will payment through bank transfer ever be availible for those who doesn't own a credit card? :)
#920 [07:10] <xales> You can use Paypal to pay via banl transfer
#921 [07:10] <xales> bank*
#922 [07:10] <MrBigCookie> You can?
#923 [07:10] <MrBigCookie> I thoguht that was only with credit card?
#924 [07:10] <MrBigCookie> Thought*
#925 [07:10] <xales> Yes - you can link a Paypal account to a bank account, then transfer money from bank into paypal account, then use the money in the paypal account to pay for the game
#926 [07:10] <MrBigCookie> Aha
#927 [07:11] <MrBigCookie> Thanks alot! :)
#928 [07:11] <xales> No problem
#929 [07:11] <MrBigCookie> Seems like I'll be a happ MC owner after all :D
#930 [07:11] <MrBigCookie> happy*
#931 [07:11] <xales> :)
#932 [07:12] <Kxania> aha, that's awesome.
#933 [07:12] <Kxania> I love watching people be helped.
#934 [07:12] <Kxania> or, helping for that matter.
#935 [07:12] <Kxania> :D
#936 [07:13] <xales> lol
#937 [07:13] * xales wonders if Kxania will stay around to help people
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#938 [07:14] <Kxania> :P
#939 [07:16] <Kxania> perhaps..
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#941 [07:17] <xales> not terribly hard, most of it is just spitting back the same info (everyone has the same problem) >.>
#942 [07:17] <Kxania> lol
#943 [07:17] <Kxania> how do i run a mc server?
#944 [07:17] <Kxania> hahahahahaha
#945 [07:18] <xales> most of it is port-fowarding/firewall/'OMG NO MINECRAFT IS 8 BIT I ONLY NEED A COMMODORE 64 TO PLEH U TELLZ ME I DUN HAVE NUFF RAM UZ BE LYIN'
#946 [07:18] <Kxania> ahahahahaha!!
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#950 [07:22] <TheBix> oi
#951 [07:23] <TheBix> hey whats the minecraft dev channel?
#952 [07:23] <Kxania> dunno :/
#953 [07:24] * Kxania slaps TheBix around a bit with a large trout
#953 [07:24] <TheBix> ....
#954 [07:24] <TheBix> stop slapping me
#955 [07:24] <TheBix> esp in the other chan where I can't speak bac
#956 [07:24] <TheBix> back*
#957 [07:24] <xales> nickname registering time then, TheBix?
#958 [07:25] <TheBix> screw that
#959 [07:25] <Kxania> no #minecraft for you, then.
#960 [07:25] <TheBix> yeah
#961 [07:25] <TheBix> so whats the channel
#962 [07:25] <Kxania> #minecraftdev
#963 [07:25] <bacon> Minecraft dev channel?
#964 [07:26] <Kxania> hahaha
#965 [07:26] <bacon> For whom?
#966 [07:26] <TheBix> bah
#967 [07:26] <TheBix> its on a diff network
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#981 [08:27] <DarkStar86> Hi
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#987 [08:53] <bacon> ..crafting yields nothing
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#992 [09:18] <ArmEagle> hmm, i wish you could report problems on GetSatisfaction as duplicates of each other. I've seen them being merged by 'staff' often enough and would like to lend a hand..
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#994 [09:20] <bacon> I can't make cake!
#995 [09:20] <bacon> Nuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!
#996 [09:20] <ArmEagle> it's a lie!
#997 [09:20] <bacon> the recipe isn't working
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#1000 [09:26] <bacon> okay.. seems the milk buckets got too much milk or something
#1001 [09:26] <bacon> noes, they ate most of the cake
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#1013 [09:46] <curmet> Pigmen ?
#1014 [09:46] <Miclee> Pigmen.
#1015 [09:51] <Miclee> lul
#1016 [09:52] <bacon> No, no pigmen
#1017 [09:52] <bacon> http://pastebin.com/kjqufFMr
#1018 [09:52] <bacon> This happens when you destroy something while holding a dye in SMP, and use your inventory
#1019 [09:52] <Miclee> Yes, pigmen.
#1020 [09:52] <Miclee> Miclee = Pigmen
#1021 [09:52] <Miclee> Therefore pigmen = Yes
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#1023 [09:56] <SinZ> Miclee, quit bragging about inventing pigmen
#1024 [09:56] <Miclee> SinZ, he said there were no pigmen here, but there are.
#1025 [09:57] <bacon> so, nobody at all even cares about this evil error
#1026 [09:57] <bacon> Miclee, shut up about pigmen
#1027 [09:57] <bacon> Nobody cares if you invented pigmen
#1028 [09:57] <Miclee> bacon, I simply said "Pigmen." to someone who said "Pigmen ?"
#1029 [09:58] <Miclee> I never even mentioned me creating pigmen.
#1030 [09:58] <Hawkzy> Going to bed now. Goodnight all.
#1031 [09:58] <bacon> You did!
#1032 [09:58] <bacon> It was just INVISIBLE
#1033 [09:58] <Miclee> Of course.
#1034 [09:59] * bacon pokes Kealper and GreyVulpine and other people
#1034 [09:59] <GreyVulpine> Hmm?
#1035 [10:01] <bacon> 23/01/2011 [01:52:05] <+bacon> http://pastebin.com/kjqufFMr
#1036 [10:01] <bacon> 23/01/2011 [01:52:23] <+bacon> This happens when you destroy something while holding a dye in SMP, and use your inventory
#1037 [10:01] <bacon> the dye loses its icon
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#1039 [10:03] <GreyVulpine> You sure?
#1040 [10:03] <bacon> yeah
#1041 [10:03] <bacon> It's happened twice
#1042 [10:03] <bacon> wait, thrice
#1043 [10:03] <bacon> once with bonemeal while destroying some leaves
#1044 [10:04] <bacon> again with bonemeal destroying some insta-grown crops
#1045 [10:04] <bacon> and then with light grey dye while destroying some wool
#1046 [10:04] <Diablothein> We have heat! :O
#1047 [10:05] <GreyVulpine> Well then, I think it's time for you to send an email to notch/markus/support@mojang.com with your findings.
#1048 [10:06] * Diablothein wonders if it is possible to paint leaves...
#1048 [10:09] <bacon> oh no, my dye just died when I opened a door..
#1049 [10:11] <Diablothein> Bacon, left click, not right :D
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#1051 [10:11] <bacon> ..it's any click
#1052 [10:11] <bacon> or, any interaction
#1053 [10:11] <Diablothein> wut
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#1056 [10:14] <minecrafter> i've bought minecraft yesterday and i love it :D
#1057 [10:14] <GreyVulpine> Good to hear
#1058 [10:15] <Diablothein> Oh, by the way, Duke Nukem Forever is set to release in May
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#1060 [10:17] <Diablothein> Also, Final Fantasy XIII is getting a direct sequel, Just like X got X-2
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#1062 [10:21] <pbc2> any1 still having problems loggin in?
#1063 [10:21] <Diablothein> Nope
#1064 [10:22] <pbc2> ugh i just get a login failed error still
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#1066 [10:22] <Diablothein> Strange...
#1067 [10:22] <xales> "Login failed" means username/password is wrong
#1068 [10:22] <pbc2> yah but its not
#1069 [10:22] <feenyx> mine just goes "can't connect to minecraft.net" still
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#1071 [10:23] <xales> feenyx: flush resolver cache
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#1074 [10:26] <Rdogg> could someone that knows stuff about minecart boosters pm me_
#1075 [10:26] <Rdogg> ?*
#1076 [10:27] <xales> you are more likely to get help if you remove the 'pm me'
#1077 [10:27] <tPK> halp, I'm trying to raise the Ram for my server,but I can't raise it past ~1500M because I get "can't allocate..." in commandline. I have 6Gig RAM so why doesn't it work?
#1078 [10:27] <Lorax> Rdogg: better to ask the question you have
#1079 [10:28] <pbc2> minecaft.net is down?
#1080 [10:28] <xales> tPK: Having 6GB and having 6GB available for use are different
#1081 [10:28] <Rdogg> well i tried to make one but it fails
#1082 [10:28] <xales> pbc2: No, works for me
#1083 [10:28] <Lorax> Rdogg: have a screenshot up?
#1084 [10:28] <pbc2> nvm i had to refresh it
#1085 [10:28] <pbc2> :|
#1086 [10:28] <Rdogg> Lorax: 2 secs
#1087 [10:29] <pbc2> wtf does this mean
#1088 [10:29] <pbc2> i tried to recover my psword
#1089 [10:29] <pbc2> and i get this
#1090 [10:29] <pbc2> Failed to send email: javax.mail.MessagingException: Could not connect to SMTP host: localhost, port: 25; nested exception is: java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused
#1091 [10:29] <xales> That is a known problem
#1092 [10:29] <xales> just gotta wait for it to be fixed
#1093 [10:30] <pbc2> so theres no way of me revoering my pssword
#1094 [10:30] <pbc2> LOL
#1095 [10:30] <Lorax> pcb2: you can work around it by putting a MTA on your localhost. ;)
#1096 [10:30] <tPK> xales: I know that, but I should have at least 4Gig availible right now, there should be no reason why I can't even get to half (ie 2Gig) of that)
#1097 [10:30] <Lorax> or port forwarding port 25 to a mail server that will allow the relay
#1098 [10:31] <pbc2> hm
#1099 [10:31] <Lorax> tPK: you are running a 64bit os?
#1100 [10:31] <pbc2> ill try that
#1101 [10:31] <tPK> yes
#1102 [10:31] <tPK> win7
#1103 [10:31] <Rdogg> Lorax: http://img832.imageshack.us/g/75134241.png/
#1104 [10:31] <xales> Lorax: It is trying to connect to localhost on the server, not to your computer, so that will do nothing.
#1105 [10:32] <Lorax> xales: oh that's not a local error? why the heck is it displayed by the client?
#1106 [10:32] <xales> Lorax: I don't think forgot password is in the client
#1107 [10:32] <tPK> the 4 gig was referring to that I have about 1.8gig of running BG stuff
#1108 [10:32] <Lorax> pbc2: where do you get that error?
#1109 [10:32] <pbc2> port forwarding doesnt work
#1110 [10:33] <pbc2> when i try to recover my pasword
#1111 [10:33] <pbc2> http://minecraft.net/forgotpass.jsp
#1112 [10:33] <pbc2> use ur username
#1113 [10:33] <Lorax> ah
#1114 [10:33] <Lorax> just more basic fail
#1115 [10:33] <Lorax> I love the indy stuff, but he's got the cash to hire someone with experience.
#1116 [10:33] <Lorax> you know, like me. :)
#1117 [10:34] <pbc2> i would just like to know why my account doesnt work on the website or client
#1118 [10:34] <pbc2> hasnt worked for 2days now
#1119 [10:35] <xales> pbc2: What happens when you try to log in?
#1120 [10:36] <pbc2> i used to get a couldnt connnect to minecraft.net error then it changed to login failed
#1121 [10:36] <pbc2> and its been like that since
#1122 [10:36] <pbc2> ive tried to change my dns. and flush it
#1123 [10:36] <pbc2> and nothings changed
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#1125 [10:37] <Lorax> Rdogg: ok in that first image, is the booster the track on the left?
#1126 [10:37] <Knightkiller069> Can anyone tell me how to buy minecraft with a paysafe card?
#1127 [10:37] <Rdogg> Lorax: on the right
#1128 [10:37] <xales> "Login Failed" means your username/password is wrong, pbc2
#1129 [10:38] <xales> Knightkiller069: You can't, sorry
#1130 [10:38] <pbc2> but its not wrong......
#1131 [10:38] <pbc2> i use the same info for everything
#1132 [10:38] <Knightkiller069> thank you anyways :)
#1133 [10:38] <Lorax> Rdogg: ok you just have the length switched, the main line needs to slope down where the booster line is flat
#1134 [10:39] <xales> pbc2: "Login Failed" means it is wrong, sorry =/
#1135 [10:39] <pbc2> i sent notch a email with proof of purchase hopefully theyll sort out the issue
#1136 [10:39] <pbc2> hope i didnt get hacked ;O
#1137 [10:40] <Lorax> if you did, your MC account is the least of your worries
#1138 [10:40] <pbc2> i dont save passwords
#1139 [10:40] <pbc2> so yah
#1140 [10:40] <esper_vglehh> Hi, could someone help me? a problem has started yesterday where I log into my regular server, and after 10-15 seconds I get disconnected with "Internal Exception: java.io.EOFException"
#1141 [10:40] <Rdogg> Lorax: like this? http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/1594/13742477.png
#1142 [10:41] <Lorax> Rdogg: http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/6231/20110122104022.png
#1143 [10:42] <Rdogg> ah
#1144 [10:43] <Rdogg> Lorax: you got msn?
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#1146 [10:44] <Devine> any1 here that can help me with 1 problem?
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#1148 [10:44] <GreyVulpine> Perhaps
#1149 [10:45] <Devine> well its about minecraft server when i try to start it stands that it cant bind to port
#1150 [10:45] <Lorax> Rdogg: no
#1151 [10:45] <Devine> how can i fix it?
#1152 [10:45] <GreyVulpine> Did you fill out the server-ip in server.properties?
#1153 [10:45] <Devine> yes
#1154 [10:45] <GreyVulpine> Don't.
#1155 [10:45] <Devine> it worked yesterday
#1156 [10:45] <GreyVulpine> Leave it blank
#1157 [10:45] <GreyVulpine> Check your processes/task manager, make sure java isn't running
#1158 [10:45] <Devine> ahh now
#1159 [10:45] <Devine> thx
#1160 [10:45] <Devine> !
#1161 [10:45] <Devine> <3
#1162 [10:46] <Lorax> Rdogg: do you want a .schematic? I can slice out a couple of examples
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#1164 [10:47] <Rdogg1> my connection died
#1165 [10:47] <Rdogg1> so do you have MSN Lorax
#1166 [10:47] <Lorax> Rdogg: do you want a .schematic? I can slice out a couple of examples
#1167 [10:47] <Lorax> no. :)
#1168 [10:47] <Rdogg1> o
#1169 [10:47] <Rdogg1> it kinda works
#1170 [10:47] <Rdogg1> but the cart needs to already be going fast
#1171 [10:47] <Rdogg1> :/
#1172 [10:48] <Lorax> it should just need enough velocity to pass the block, then will accelerate
#1173 [10:48] <Kealper> !reload moc_mchelp
#1174 [10:48] <Kealper> !client
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#1176 [10:48] <Rdogg1> could you fix it if i sent u my map?
#1177 [10:48] <Kealper> why did that not update
#1178 [10:49] <Lorax> Rdogg1: do you use mcedit?
#1179 [10:49] <Rdogg1> nop
#1180 [10:49] <Kealper> !reload mod_mchelp
#1181 [10:49] <Kealper> !client
#1182 [10:49] <Kealper> ok, there we go
#1183 [10:51] <Lorax> Rdogg1: sure, but make it easy for me and name it World5 so I can use my vanilla instance of MC
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#1186 [10:52] <rav> hi, I'm trying to run a minecraft server behind a firewall. I set online-mode to false, verify-names to false, and I can connect to the server, but I still get "Kicking <ip>: You need to log in!"
#1187 [10:53] <rav> how can I make the server work behind a firewall like this?
#1188 [10:53] <rav> I'm connecting through an ssh tunnel, so the minecraft server thinks all clients are on the same local IP
#1189 [10:54] <GreyVulpine> rav - You paid for a beta account?
#1190 [10:55] <rav> yeah GreyVulpine I did
#1191 [10:55] <rav> https://gist.github.com/791193 this is the console output
#1192 [10:56] <GreyVulpine> wait.. are you running a classic or beta server?
#1193 [10:56] <rav> I got the binary from http://www.minecraft.net/minecraft-server.zip
#1194 [10:56] <GreyVulpine> Did you want to run a classic or beta server?
#1195 [10:57] <rav> I dunno... I guess I want the beta server
#1196 [10:57] <GreyVulpine> You got the wrong server
#1197 [10:57] <rav> ok
#1198 [10:57] <rav> where do I find the beta server?
#1199 [10:57] <GreyVulpine> http://minecraft.net/download.jsp
#1200 [10:57] <GreyVulpine> bottom of page
#1201 [10:58] <rav> cool, thanks
#1202 [10:58] <rav> preparing spawn area... hope this works
#1203 [10:59] <rav> whaddyaknow. I worked. thanks GreyVulpine
#1204 [11:00] * GreyVulpine nods
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#1205 [11:04] <asdf> What are the controls for Minecraft?
#1206 [11:04] <GreyVulpine> wasd
#1207 [11:04] <GreyVulpine> I for inventory
#1208 [11:04] <asdf> k
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#1210 [11:04] <asdf> thanks
#1211 [11:04] <GreyVulpine> You can press esc -> controls to remap
#1212 [11:04] <GreyVulpine> if you wish
#1213 [11:05] <asdf> Is there anyplace with a layout of the controls?
#1214 [11:05] <GreyVulpine> Escape.
#1215 [11:05] <asdf> Thanks
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#1219 [11:20] <ArmEagle> hmm, i can't get arrows set aflame when shot through a fire. The wiki says it should be the case, just like with lava. But it doesn't.
#1220 [11:22] <ArmEagle> maybe it changed, or maybe someone was confused
#1221 [11:22] <xales> More likely that someone was wrong
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#1223 [11:26] <Lorax> Rdogg1: oh btw, that's the first time I've ever editited another persons world.
#1224 [11:26] <Lorax> and I carved out the headroom there because you need two blocks above to exit the cart without damage
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#1226 [11:27] <AJHunter> Anyone care to test my server?
#1227 [11:28] <GreyVulpine> Sure
#1228 [11:28] <AJHunter> 192.168.2.50:25565
#1229 [11:29] <GreyVulpine> That's not a public IP address
#1230 [11:29] <GreyVulpine> http://www.whatismyip.com/
#1231 [11:29] <AJHunter> that could be a problem...
#1232 [11:29] <GreyVulpine> Haven't port forwarded?
#1233 [11:29] <AJHunter> I have.
#1234 [11:30] <GreyVulpine> And...
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#1236 [11:30] <AJHunter> ok, my IP is 87.180.139.203, so I tried that and connection refused.
#1237 [11:31] <GreyVulpine> !check 87.180.139.203
#1238 [11:31] * GreyVulpine shakes
#1238 [11:31] <GreyVulpine> I don't suppose you know your network layout...
#1239 [11:31] <GreyVulpine> Particularly, if you're on a router behind another modem/router
#1240 [11:31] <AJHunter> how would I figure that out?
#1241 [11:32] <GreyVulpine> Start with your computer's ip address, and work your way up the chain
#1242 [11:32] <GreyVulpine> What OS are you on?
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#1244 [11:32] <AJHunter> I have a speedport w303v router plugged directly into my computer... I'm running Win7
#1245 [11:33] <GreyVulpine> Okay, and you gathered your computer's ipv4 address is 192.168.2.50 from ipconfig?
#1246 [11:33] <TheReddeH> type //echo $ip
#1247 [11:33] <Lorax> AJHunter: open cmd and type "tracert minecraft.net"
#1248 [11:35] <AJHunter> it's running...
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#1250 [11:35] <AJHunter> what am I looking for?
#1251 [11:36] <GreyVulpine> The first few hops, last column, what are they?
#1252 [11:36] <GreyVulpine> should be something like 192.168.2.1
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#1254 [11:36] <GreyVulpine> then...
#1255 [11:37] <Lorax> AJHunter: pastebin the whole output?
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#1257 [11:37] <AJHunter> yep... then 217.0.117.18 then 217.0.81.198
#1258 [11:37] <GreyVulpine> Huh, guess you're not double natted then
#1259 [11:38] <GreyVulpine> Could you post a screenshot of your router's port forward page?
#1260 [11:38] <AJHunter> it's in German...
#1261 [11:38] <GreyVulpine> I recommend imgur.com for a quick image host
#1262 [11:38] <GreyVulpine> That's fine
#1263 [11:39] <AJHunter> just a minute...
#1264 [11:39] <Lorax> when does the 87.180 network appear?
#1265 [11:40] <AJHunter> huh?
#1266 [11:41] <Lorax> 11:30 < AJHunter> ok, my IP is 87.180.139.203,
#1267 [11:42] <AJHunter> I think I might have found a a part of the problem...
#1268 [11:42] <AJHunter> I have the wrong ports configured...
#1269 [11:42] <GreyVulpine> That would do it
#1270 [11:43] <AJHunter> Lemme fix that, then I test it here...
#1271 [11:43] <GreyVulpine> 25565-25565/TCP?
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#1273 [11:43] <AJHunter> should udp be set?
#1274 [11:44] <GreyVulpine> Minecraft doesn't use UDP at this time
#1275 [11:44] <AJHunter> ok.
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#1277 [11:44] <AJHunter> saving...
#1278 [11:45] <AJHunter> "Daten werden ubertragen"
#1279 [11:47] <GreyVulpine> !check 87.180.139.203,
#1280 [11:47] <GreyVulpine> !check 87.180.139.203
#1281 [11:47] <GreyVulpine> !check 87.180.139.203
#1282 [11:47] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, nope
#1283 [11:48] <GreyVulpine> Running any firewalls/security software?
#1284 [11:48] <Lorax> does that IP show up in your traceroute?
#1285 [11:50] <AJHunter> no firewalls that I know of...
#1286 [11:50] <AJHunter> and no 87.180 ip shows up...
#1287 [11:50] <GreyVulpine> start -> type in the search bar: firewall.cpl
#1288 [11:51] <GreyVulpine> Is windows firewall up?
#1289 [11:51] <AJHunter> yes. newrule?
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#1291 [11:52] <GreyVulpine> Can either turn it off, or set an exception for port 25565, or java
#1292 [11:52] <AJHunter> I'll set the exceptions...
#1293 [11:52] <Lorax> AJHunter: ok, where did you get that address from?
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#1295 [11:52] <GreyVulpine> whatismyip.com
#1296 [11:53] <pupp> Hi, I need some serious help
#1297 [11:53] <GreyVulpine> With
#1298 [11:53] <pupp> For some reason, Minecraft freezes whenever I hit the walk button
#1299 [11:53] <GreyVulpine> walk.. button?
#1300 [11:53] <pupp> Yes
#1301 [11:53] <Lorax> "w"?
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#1303 [11:53] <pupp> Stop acting so terse
#1304 [11:53] <pupp> AWSD
#1305 [11:53] <pupp> And it stays frozen until I alt-tabs out of the window and alt-tab bac
#1306 [11:53] <pupp> k
#1307 [11:54] <pupp> which causes it to abort the walking, and brings up the menu
#1308 [11:54] <pupp> but as soon as I take another step it freezes again
#1309 [11:54] <pupp> This also goes for jumping
#1310 [11:54] <pupp> however, if I stand still in place and break/build blocks nothing happens
#1311 [11:55] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, have you modified your controls at all?
#1312 [11:55] <pupp> No
#1313 [11:55] <GreyVulpine> Can you press escape, and remap your controls in there?
#1314 [11:55] <pupp> Yes
#1315 [11:55] <GreyVulpine> See if it does the same thing with different keys?
#1316 [11:56] <pupp> Nope, same thing.
#1317 [11:56] <GreyVulpine> Strange...
#1318 [11:56] <GreyVulpine> OS?
#1319 [11:56] <GreyVulpine> Is this a standard keyboard?
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#1321 [11:57] <pupp> Windows 7 on a laptop with a swedish qwerty keyboard.
#1322 [11:58] <pupp> I'd say a swedish keyboard is even more likely to work than a US one.
#1323 [11:58] <pupp> Due to Mojang being swedish.
#1324 [11:58] <pupp> So I don't think there's anything wrong with the keyboard layout.
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#1326 [11:58] <Nerga|> anyone how i can have my username/password reset? the password recovery utilty on minecraft.net does not seem to work
#1327 [11:59] <i81u812> anyone know what the download today was for?
#1328 [11:59] <Nerga|> i forgot my username and enter my email address but says it cannot be found and i have 2 accounts on 2 seperate email addresses
#1329 [11:59] <GreyVulpine> i81u812 - http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Version_history
#1330 [11:59] <GreyVulpine> Nerga| - Try sending an email to daniel@mojang.com, explaining your situation
#1331 [11:59] <i81u812> ty I forgot about hat
#1332 [12:00] <GreyVulpine> pupp - This isn't a gaming keyboard or anything that can be programmed, correct?
#1333 [12:00] <Nerga|> GreyVulpine..thanks for the advice..but i have already done that a few days ago but no response
#1334 [12:00] <Nerga|> guess they have their hands full with other stuff
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#1336 [12:00] <Nerga|> think i just buy my 3rd account hehe
#1337 [12:00] <GreyVulpine> Daniel has had a backlog of emails, last I heard, so if it's been a few days, send another one
#1338 [12:01] <pupp> GreyVulpine: No, it's a standard keyboard
#1339 [12:01] <pupp> Standard swedish laptop keyboard
#1340 [12:01] <GreyVulpine> pupp - Do you have a spare keyboard laying around?
#1341 [12:02] <pupp> GreyVulpine: No i don't
#1342 [12:02] <pupp> I'm at a friends
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#1346 [12:04] <GreyVulpine> pupp - I don't know, I haven't heard of anything like this before. Have you checked mojang's bugtracker at getsatisfaction?
#1347 [12:05] <GreyVulpine> If you can, try hooking up a seperate keyboard if you can find one.
#1348 [12:06] <GreyVulpine> I know windows can enable an on-screen keyboard, see if that does it as well.
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#1350 [12:07] <MyDreamName> What's the problem?
#1351 [12:08] <MyDreamName> Soft keyboard is begging for touchscreen support, too.
#1352 [12:10] <MyDreamName> Fine, don't answer me.
#1353 [12:10] <MyDreamName> Psh.
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#1356 [12:12] <ChronoSilver> hei guys
#1357 [12:12] <Othou_> Hi, why password recover dosent work?
#1358 [12:12] <ChronoSilver> any GM / Admin / Billing Administrator online ?
#1359 [12:14] <ChronoSilver> well this support is realy NO GO
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#1361 [12:15] <pupp> pupp: No I havent
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#1363 [12:16] <mib_do2c20> Hey Grey, I have another problem
#1364 [12:16] <pupp> er
#1365 [12:16] <pupp> I maent to say GreyVulpine*
#1366 [12:16] <pupp> anyway
#1367 [12:17] <pupp> I managed to get it to work
#1368 [12:17] <pupp> the downloadable version runs
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#1370 [12:17] <pupp> so thanks!
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#1372 [12:21] <AJHunter> I'm back. I've made the exceptions in the firewall, and I'm testing the server in a second...
#1373 [12:22] <AJHunter> gr... didn't work...
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#1375 [12:26] <fogwraith> Wow, Eve-Online takes some getting used to... again >_>
#1376 [12:27] <TheScorp> hehe
#1377 [12:27] <fogwraith> Last time I played was back in 2007 ;P
#1378 [12:27] <TheScorp> Yeah, been a while since I played aswell.
#1379 [12:27] <TheScorp> Too much of a screensaver for me tho.
#1380 [12:27] <TheScorp> >.>
#1381 [12:27] <fogwraith> ;P
#1382 [12:27] <fogwraith> Been hunting pirates for a while now
#1383 [12:28] <TheScorp> I like my games a bit more arcadish.
#1384 [12:28] <TheScorp> But the learning curve in eve was..a tad steep.
#1385 [12:28] <fogwraith> Theres been some run-ins with the warping, acceleration gates, not being able to close the galaxy map and stuff ;P
#1386 [12:28] <TheScorp> hehe
#1387 [12:28] <fogwraith> So out of the loop :P
#1388 [12:29] <fogwraith> The new character creation system beats Sims by... lightyears ;)
#1389 [12:29] <TheScorp> I spent more time on my character creation than i actually spent playing the game tbh xD
#1390 [12:29] <TheScorp> Well, ok. Thats a bit of a stretch, but still.
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#1392 [12:30] <fogwraith> I got stuck with creating sims after my family burned down :P
#1393 [12:30] <fogwraith> But yeah, the eve char creation system rocks balls now
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#1397 [12:44] <BoxOfHope> Quick question, very common.
#1398 [12:44] <BoxOfHope> I have an error saying I'm not premium
#1399 [12:44] <BoxOfHope> Even though I bought it in alpha
#1400 [12:45] <BoxOfHope> any know fixes or estimated time for a fix?
#1401 [12:45] <BoxOfHope> any known fixes*
#1402 [12:50] <Lorax> BoxOfHope: email support, you aren't the first with that issue today
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#1405 [12:54] <BoxOfHope> ah
#1406 [12:54] <BoxOfHope> thanks
#1407 [12:55] <BoxOfHope> I'll send proof of purchase as well
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#1412 [13:07] <mib_oprfbh> Q: have bought a gift code. when do i recieve it?
#1413 [13:08] <BurnZeZ> Usually 2-4 days.
#1414 [13:09] <mib_oprfbh> maybe i did it the wrong way arround? first bought the gift code, then bought it for myself. i haven't got any confirmation mail. but i can play the game
#1415 [13:09] <mib_oprfbh> hm kay thanks
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#1418 [13:21] <ArmEagle> hmpf, looks like a whole lot of dispensers lost their orientation
#1419 [13:22] <SkiingPenguins> aw that sucks
#1420 [13:26] <ArmEagle> they keep resetting towards the west after I disconnect and log back in (or some other orientation they fancy, sometimes even pointing into each other)
#1421 [13:27] <ArmEagle> time to look at getsatisfaction :)
#1422 [13:27] <Kealper> ArmEagle: that's jus a clientside update fail
#1423 [13:28] <ArmEagle> yeah i'm just reading that, thanks :)
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#1425 [13:28] <Kealper> stick a torch next to them to get the client to redownload the info from the server
#1426 [13:28] <ArmEagle> heh first time I see a comment from GreyV.. here on there :)
#1427 [13:28] <Kealper> i dun believe
#1428 [13:28] <joshuawn> Hey, where would I go to ask questions about Gift Codes? I can't seem to find any direct support links on the site.
#1429 [13:29] <ArmEagle> funny bugs these :)
#1430 [13:29] <Kealper> joshuawn: depending on the questions, you could ask right here
#1431 [13:30] <fogwraith> http://www.minecraft.net/buy_gift_codes.jsp
#1432 [13:30] <fogwraith> Your gift code is mailed to you
#1433 [13:30] <fogwraith> http://www.minecraft.net/redeem.jsp
#1434 [13:30] <fogwraith> This is where you enter the key
#1435 [13:30] <Kealper> lol fog
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#1437 [13:31] <joshuawn> Well, what's happening is I ordered a code and I haven't gotten an e-mail or anything in a day. I supposed it was because the servers are migrating, but I'd like some confirmation.
#1438 [13:31] <fogwraith> Wait for the mail
#1439 [13:31] <fogwraith> Option B, mail the staff
#1440 [13:31] <fogwraith> http://www.minecraft.net/support.jsp
#1441 [13:31] <Kealper> joshuawn: yes, emails from minecraft.net will be SLLOOOW for a bit
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#1443 [13:32] <joshuawn> What's the staff's e-mail? I'm having trouble accessing the site right now.
#1444 [13:32] <joshuawn> I'll wait a while longer until Notch gives a confirmation that the servers have been fully migrated.
#1445 [13:33] * BurnZeZ eats Tobias.
#1445 [13:33] <BurnZeZ> Now what?
#1446 [13:34] * fogwraith jettisons Kealper
#1446 [13:35] <fogwraith> Moar Eve-Online ;)
#1447 [13:36] <ArmEagle> heh shame.. i thought this dispenser-torch-reset trick might be a way to detect chunck edges.. but it's based on the brightness of the light I guess
#1448 [13:36] <Kealper> yeah, i already tried it
#1449 [13:36] <BurnZeZ> Detect chunk edges?
#1450 [13:37] <Kealper> the torch trick does work with anything not facing the correct way, though
#1451 [13:37] <BurnZeZ> Why would you need to do that?
#1452 [13:37] <Kealper> he means the disappearing chunks
#1453 [13:37] <BurnZeZ> Ah.
#1454 [13:37] <ArmEagle> do i? :)
#1455 [13:37] <TheScorp> Hm, is there some sort of feed on server updates?
#1456 [13:37] * BurnZeZ plays singleplayer.
#1456 [13:37] <TheScorp> Or does the server update itself like the client does?
#1457 [13:38] <BurnZeZ> Minecraft uses verlet integration, right?
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#1459 [13:42] <ArmEagle> heh and now a piece of red dust isn't lighting up.. until I put a normal torch above it
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#1461 [13:43] <ArmEagle> it does stay on when i remove that normal torch and does switch off when the feeding red dust switches off
#1462 [13:43] <SkiingPenguins> could it be that the texture isnt changing?
#1463 [13:44] <ArmEagle> well, lets see about that
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#1465 [13:45] <ArmEagle> but it probably is because it's on the outside of a square of 7x7 (ring of reddust). And I feed the ring from the other side. If you count the distance clockwise, that piece of reddust is at 15 distance. But if you count it from counterclockwise it's the 13th or so
#1466 [13:46] <ArmEagle> it doesn't actually have to be a full ring though
#1467 [13:48] <Kealper> why is VirusTotal so gay now.....
#1468 [13:48] <Kealper> Current status:
#1469 [13:48] <Kealper> queued (#5365)
#1470 [13:48] <Kealper> ._.
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#1473 [13:55] <franz> hi
#1474 [13:57] <exp0> lots of people use it?
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#1476 [13:59] <sockmister> Minecraft Login Server Offline?
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#1478 [13:59] <Kealper> VT was way cooler when it was not mainstream
#1479 [14:00] <exp0> auth server is up
#1480 [14:00] <sockmister> hmm
#1481 [14:00] <sockmister> i'm not the only one
#1482 [14:00] <exp0> might be a DNS propegation issue
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#1484 [14:00] <Kealper> sockmister: open cmd.exe and type nslookup minecraft.net
#1485 [14:01] <Kealper> the non-authoritve answer for address should start with 184.73
#1486 [14:02] <sockmister> non autoritve answer 184.7
#1487 [14:02] <sockmister> 3
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#1489 [14:02] <Kealper> hmm....
#1490 [14:02] <Kealper> open internet explorer and clear the cache/cookies
#1491 [14:02] <sockmister> oh it works now xD
#1492 [14:02] <Kealper> or not lol
#1493 [14:02] <SkiingPenguins> ipconfig /flushdns
#1494 [14:03] <exp0> find an ISP that updates their DNS servers
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#1499 [14:09] <exp0> does minecraft.exe accept arguments anymore?
#1500 [14:10] <TheScorp> Argh, my windows 7 machine hates java :(
#1501 [14:10] <ArmEagle> hmm, can't simply reproduce the issue
#1502 [14:11] <exp0> which issue?
#1503 [14:11] <ArmEagle> oh, some red dust isn't lighting up when it should. But I'm not sure whether it's just client side
#1504 [14:11] <mib_oprfbh> hey got a 64bit os here. and i can't start a server because some java issue
#1505 [14:11] <ArmEagle> and at 160MB it's a bit of a large savegame to send somewhere else
#1506 [14:12] <exp0> mib
#1507 [14:12] <exp0> did you download the 64bit java?
#1508 [14:12] <mib_oprfbh> dunno.. :\
#1509 [14:12] <exp0> open up command prompt
#1510 [14:13] <mib_oprfbh> aye
#1511 [14:13] <exp0> java -ersion
#1512 [14:13] <exp0> java -version
#1513 [14:13] <exp0> anything say 64-Bit?
#1514 [14:14] <mib_oprfbh> okay it's on danish here. but i'll translate at my best: `java` wasn't recognized as an intern or ekstern command or programm or batchfile
#1515 [14:14] <exp0> sounds like java isnt even installed
#1516 [14:15] <mib_oprfbh> got java in my "programmbar" that blue coffemug with red smoke.
#1517 [14:15] <mib_oprfbh> taskbar i think it is
#1518 [14:15] <exp0> go to add/remove programs for xp or programs and features for vista/win7
#1519 [14:16] <mib_oprfbh> y
#1520 [14:16] <mib_oprfbh> Java(TM) 6 update 23
#1521 [14:16] <exp0> to see what version is installed
#1522 [14:16] <mib_oprfbh> v. 6.0.230
#1523 [14:17] <mib_oprfbh> okay i'll reinstall and see if it fixes it.
#1524 [14:18] <mib_oprfbh> bb for a moment. my irc client uses java -.-'
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#1530 [14:23] <Keegs> is minecraft.net still down...
#1531 [14:24] <Kealper> !check minecraft.net:80
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#1535 [14:35] <Keegs> Why can I visit minecraft.net and login, even after clearing cache and all but not ping minecraft.net
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#1537 [14:35] <Keegs> Request timed out.
#1538 [14:38] <Kealper> Keegs: because it apparently does not respond to icmp pings
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#1540 [14:41] <javaissue> ext0 you still here?
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#1544 [14:48] <Roenie> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1781069/
#1545 [14:49] <Kealper> eh?
#1546 [14:50] <Roenie> little off topic, but still not to be missed
#1547 [14:50] <Roenie> :)
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#1549 [14:52] <Kealper> TIL there is a country called the Republic of Macedonia
#1550 [14:53] <Kealper> and it's only been an official country since 93 lol
#1551 [14:58] <javaissue> ahh okay ^^ oh now to a problem i have.. got a 64bit system and can't start a server because my java is not recognized. i tried to reinstall two times, with the 64bit IE java version.. though i don't use IE..
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#1553 [15:02] <Kealper> gotta love computers
#1554 [15:02] <Kealper> of all kinds, even embedded ones
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#1558 [15:14] <DanMather> Is anyone here??
#1559 [15:14] <mbentley> maybe
#1560 [15:15] <Lorax> funny how many people have attention spans less than the length of a television commercial break
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#1564 [15:24] <wesmagyar> having trouble trying to set up my server. not sure if others can connect i know i have forwarded the port corectly every test i can perform says the port is open and service is up but whenever i try to connect to it i get connection timed out and in the micraft server window it shows me as lost connection
#1565 [15:25] <wesmagyar> i can connect if i use 127.0.0.1 but not if i use my domain or external ip
#1566 [15:25] <Kealper> wesmagyar: what's your server's ip? i could try and connect
#1567 [15:25] <wesmagyar> domain is wesmagyar.info
#1568 [15:25] <Kealper> !check wesmagyar.info
#1569 [15:25] <wesmagyar> from server window
#1570 [15:25] <wesmagyar> [INFO] /67.177.131.104:54578 lost connection
#1571 [15:26] <Kealper> yeah, aubot will only connect long enough to make sure it works, then disconnect
#1572 [15:28] <mbentley> it is normal for you to not be able to connect using your wan ip/hostname
#1573 [15:30] <i81u812> damn....
#1574 [15:30] <i81u812> I was just running @ 119 fps
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#1577 [15:32] <wesmagyar> ok i killed it
#1578 [15:32] <wesmagyar> dont know why it was lagging so bad
#1579 [15:32] <Lorax> I think your machine was thrashing at the end there
#1580 [15:32] <Kealper> that was some intenese constant lag
#1581 [15:32] <wesmagyar> gonna have to work on that
#1582 [15:32] <Lorax> I was at the edge of the world, mobs were spawning but without chunk
#1583 [15:33] <Kealper> was it lagging for you, too wesmagyar?
#1584 [15:33] <wesmagyar> yeah it was
#1585 [15:33] <wesmagyar> but there was no lag on the console
#1586 [15:33] <wesmagyar> was just in the client
#1587 [15:33] <Lorax> probably as soon as we were on different sets
#1588 [15:34] <Kovenant> Do you guys have server running?
#1589 [15:34] <Kealper> i do, but it's not a hugely populated server
#1590 [15:34] <wesmagyar> it was eating up some serious cpu load too
#1591 [15:35] <Kovenant> Ok
#1592 [15:35] <Kealper> wesmagyar: hmm....what are the specs on your computer?
#1593 [15:35] <wesmagyar> just checked logs as soon as you guys connected it was damn near pegging my cpu
#1594 [15:35] <Kealper> weird
#1595 [15:35] <wesmagyar> got a quad core amd pheenom II at 3.2 GHZ and 8 gigs of ram
#1596 [15:35] <Kealper> very weird
#1597 [15:35] <wesmagyar> yeah
#1598 [15:35] <wesmagyar> i may just have to reboot
#1599 [15:36] <wesmagyar> my uptime has been like 3 weeks at this point :D
#1600 [15:36] <Kealper> lol
#1601 [15:36] <Kealper> could be that
#1602 [15:36] <wesmagyar> ill go ahead and do that hop back on here after i star the server up and we can check
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#1604 [15:37] <wesmagyar> gonna let it chill for a second powered down have a smoke then ill be back and we can see if it does that again
#1605 [15:38] * Kealper gets on his server and heads to his winter garrison in the mean time
#1605 [15:40] <Kealper> speaking of which....did anyone want to ride on possibly one of the longest minecart tracks that actually has a utilitarian purpose?
#1606 [15:42] <mbentley> what is it used for?
#1607 [15:43] <Kealper> getting from point a to point b when the only alternative is to walk for about 30 min
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#1610 [15:49] * SkiingPenguins just noticed his custom skin isnt working
#1610 [15:49] <Kealper> O.o mine is
#1611 [15:51] <SkiingPenguins> Kealper: http://pastebin.com/g9d5s0fk <- that is what java gives me when i try to see the skin on the website
#1612 [15:52] <Kealper> O.o
#1613 [15:53] <Kealper> guess all the stuff for the website preview thing is not all there yet
#1614 [15:53] <SkiingPenguins> perhaps
#1615 [15:53] <Kealper> i thought you meant ingame, not on the website
#1616 [15:53] <SkiingPenguins> well it doesnt work in-game either
#1617 [15:53] <SkiingPenguins> i have a blue shirt instead of grey :O
#1618 [15:54] * SkiingPenguins would like to be able to locally apply a skin :/
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#1619 [15:55] <Kealper> O.o
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#1621 [15:56] <Nseven> hi me and my friend are trying to host are own server but are failing to connect to each other
#1622 [15:57] <Kealper> Nseven: and the person who is hosting the server has set up port forwarding?
#1623 [15:57] <Nseven> im unsure i will find out
#1624 [15:58] <Nseven> thanks for your help i am portforwarding now
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#1628 [16:04] <Wesmagyar> so my computer decided it was due for a checkdisk
#1629 [16:05] <Kealper> :/
#1630 [16:05] <Wesmagyar> its still going im on my cell right now :)
#1631 [16:06] <Wesmagyar> oooh i think it just finished
#1632 [16:07] <Wesmagyar> ok brb on my desktop
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#1637 [16:10] <wesmagyar> ok my servers back up
#1638 [16:11] <wesmagyar> running smoothly with just me on it
#1639 [16:12] <Kealper> instantly just lagged to crap as soon as i joined :/
#1640 [16:13] <Kealper> weird
#1641 [16:13] <Kealper> i have no idea why it does that :/
#1642 [16:13] <wesmagyar> yeah
#1643 [16:13] <wesmagyar> wonder if running it as admin will make a difference
#1644 [16:14] <wesmagyar> could also be my av freaking out
#1645 [16:14] <wesmagyar> ok restarted it care to try it again?
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#1648 [16:18] <minecrafter> i've got a question :]
#1649 [16:18] <lemon-rev> spit it out then :P
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#1651 [16:18] <minecrafter> i've been playing the game for 1 day now so i'm a bit inexperienced
#1652 [16:18] <lemon-rev> ok
#1653 [16:19] <Kealper> !tutorial
#1654 [16:19] <minecrafter> more tnt next to each other means more BOOM! ?
#1655 [16:19] <Kealper> yes
#1656 [16:19] <minecrafter> i already watched that
#1657 [16:19] <minecrafter> ah ok
#1658 [16:19] <Kealper> wesmagyar: quite strange indeed....i really don't know why it does that :/
#1659 [16:19] <wesmagyar> and as soon as you leave the lag goes down
#1660 [16:19] <elias79> how do i load a map in the server ?
#1661 [16:19] <Kealper> very very very weird...i don't know :/
#1662 [16:19] <minecrafter> i'm using those tnts to mine
#1663 [16:20] <lemon-rev> well you dont have to but some pplz do
#1664 [16:20] <minecrafter> and don't want to waste one :3
#1665 [16:20] <lemon-rev> just dont blow your self up
#1666 [16:20] <lemon-rev> depends on how much of a hole you want lol
#1667 [16:20] <minecrafter> only creepers blow me up
#1668 [16:20] <minecrafter> sssssssss BOOM
#1669 [16:20] <lemon-rev> yea
#1670 [16:21] <minecrafter> thanks for the help :D
#1671 [16:23] <wesmagyar> hmm ill see if reingstalling java helps
#1672 [16:25] <elias79> how do i load a map in server
#1673 [16:25] <wesmagyar> what os are you using
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#1679 [16:36] <Ethteck> I was trying to host a minecraft server on my new computer with a wireless usb adapter (same one that I had on my old server which was working)
#1680 [16:36] <Ethteck> my first problem was that people would be "logged in" on the server, but then the server's internet connection got killed instantly and I would have to reconnect the network adapter
#1681 [16:37] <Ethteck> after trying a new adapter, I the person is still "logged in" on the server and the internet doesn't die, but the login still times out
#1682 [16:37] <Ethteck> any advice?
#1683 [16:37] <Kealper> want me to make it seem like i'm helping you, but then tell you the cold, hard truth? or do you just want me to cut to the chase?
#1684 [16:38] <Ethteck> ...um. okay. I just want some help
#1685 [16:38] <Ethteck> so I guess "cut to the chase"
#1686 [16:38] <Kealper> i'll just cut to the chase...your computer + that network adapter + minecraft = probably not fixable
#1687 [16:39] <Ethteck> what makes you say that? It was working on my other computer.
#1688 [16:39] <Kealper> hence the "your computer" in the equasion
#1689 [16:39] <Kealper> i could try and tell you a way to fix it, but i have yet to see this method work on wireless adapters
#1690 [16:39] <Ethteck> Well we could try to isolate the issue..
#1691 [16:39] <Ethteck> I just don't know where to start at this point
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#1693 [16:40] <wesmagyar> ok so i wandered around for a bit and i think it has something to do with the world
#1694 [16:40] <wesmagyar> there where a whole lot of missing chunks and other stuff
#1695 [16:40] <Kealper> the whole "internet cuts out from minecraft" thing is much more common than anyone would like to admit, and in most cases, is only fixable by getting a different network adapter :/
#1696 [16:40] <Kealper> wesmagyar: O.o
#1697 [16:41] <Kealper> that might be it....did you want me to try again after you generate a new world?
#1698 [16:41] <Kealper> Ethteck: what os do you have?
#1699 [16:41] <wesmagyar> yeah i got about 2 minutes from the spawn and it was like the whole world ended and i could see parts of the underground out in the distance
#1700 [16:41] <Colossus> i got a small problem, the software download fails to install on windows :( (missing file according to setup)
#1701 [16:41] <Ethteck> Windows 7 64 bit professional
#1702 [16:42] <Kealper> Ethteck: open up the device manager, and tell me when you have it open (type device manager into the start menu search and press enter)
#1703 [16:42] <Roenie> <wesmagyar> yeah i got about 2 minutes from the spawn and it was like the whole world ended and i could see parts of the underground out in the distance <-- i get that when my mother in law shows up
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#1705 [16:43] <Ethteck> The buffer settings on the network card can't be changed if that's what you're asking
#1706 [16:43] <Ethteck> it's a negear wn121t
#1707 [16:43] <Kealper> Colossus: what download? the one where it downloads all those different files? (after you start minecraft.exe and log in for the first time)
#1708 [16:43] <Ethteck> but anyway, I'm in there
#1709 [16:43] <wesmagyar> lol you can try connecting but its bugging out with the new world now too
#1710 [16:43] <Kealper> Ethteck: then nevermind
#1711 [16:44] <wesmagyar> lol nice
#1712 [16:44] <wesmagyar> [INFO] wesmagyar lost connection: disconnect.overflow
#1713 [16:44] <Colossus> Kealper the basic download from the minecraft website (need those because my pc crashed and needed a re-install)
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#1716 [16:44] <Kealper> Ethteck: do you have the latest network card adapters?
#1717 [16:44] <Kealper> fail
#1718 [16:44] <erik> hello, how long should it reasonably take for an account paid by VISA to be playable?
#1719 [16:44] <Ethteck> driver? :P yeah I do
#1720 [16:44] <Kealper> network adapter driver sxD
#1721 [16:44] <Kealper> gah..too cold to think in this house atm
#1722 [16:44] <erik> no confirmation mail received either.
#1723 [16:44] <Kealper> or type
#1724 [16:45] <Ethteck> someone on the forums told me to try a wired connection - I think I'm going to do that.
#1725 [16:45] <Ethteck> :(
#1726 [16:45] <wesmagyar> its wierd its almost like computer is struggling....
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#1728 [16:45] <Kealper> Ethteck: yeah, because that problem is almost always caused by buffer overflows
#1729 [16:45] <Kealper> java seems to HATE any NIC buffer smaller than like 512kb
#1730 [16:46] <Ethteck> Do you have a wireless network card to recommend whose settings could be changed?
#1731 [16:46] <Kealper> Colossus: are you downloading minecraft.jar or minecraft.exe?
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#1733 [16:46] <Kealper> Ethteck: i don't know of any that can be :/
#1734 [16:46] <Colossus> minecraft.exe Kealper (for a windows xp machine)
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#1736 [16:47] <Zw> What fault is this? http://pastebin.com/X9DstDML
#1737 [16:47] <Ethteck> well do you know of any network cards that tend to be good with minecraft servers?
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#1739 [16:47] <Kealper> Ethteck: most...it's just a select few that suck with Java
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#1741 [16:48] <Kealper> Zw: uhh.....some context to those errors would be nice
#1742 [16:48] <wesmagyar> im starting to think mine might be one of em its wierd becuase i have no problems with single player
#1743 [16:48] <wesmagyar> but with the server mine appears to want to have an aneurism
#1744 [16:49] <erik> is nobody able to answer how long it should take before an account is playable after paying?
#1745 [16:49] <wesmagyar> it could take 5 minutes and it could take 5 days
#1746 [16:49] <wesmagyar> notch is a busy man
#1747 [16:49] <Zw> Context?
#1748 [16:49] <Zw> thats all it says.
#1749 [16:49] <erik> automatize the process? :\
#1750 [16:50] <Kealper> gah....too many people for how slow and distracted i am today
#1751 [16:50] <Kealper> erik: when did you buy it?
#1752 [16:50] <erik> 1.5hrs ago
#1753 [16:50] <Kealper> Zw: it looks like you are getting DCed in that error report, unstable internet?
#1754 [16:50] <Kealper> erik: it could take up to a day for payments to be processed
#1755 [16:50] <exp0> Kealper, see anything new with the malformed input?
#1756 [16:50] <Zw> no, cabel 25mbit, uptime over 1 year.
#1757 [16:51] <erik> Kealper: yaok, a confirmation should be sent immediately after payment though..
#1758 [16:51] <Kealper> erik: key word there...should
#1759 [16:51] <erik> i guess i can wait.
#1760 [16:52] <Kealper> Zw: what are you seeing that error on though? client? server?
#1761 [16:53] <Colossus> Kealper any idea to still download a full minecraft file or is the file corrupt that is on the website (since it's not installing)
#1762 [16:54] <Kealper> Colossus: there should not have to be any installing....it should just be run minecraft.exe from whereever
#1763 [16:54] <wesmagyar> ok so i load the same world in single player no problems
#1764 [16:54] <Colossus> mm strange, i'll reboot the machine, maybe that solves it...
#1765 [16:54] <wesmagyar> only when i run it with the server does it have a coniption fit
#1766 [16:55] <Kealper> Colossus: the latest minecraft.exe works fine for me, just tried it
#1767 [16:55] <Kealper> wesmagyar: it might just be the server hates that computer :/
#1768 [16:55] <wesmagyar> gonna take a nap and then see about running the server on my linux box and seeing if that makes a difference
#1769 [16:55] <Kealper> is it hosted off a separate machone? or the one that you play on?
#1770 [16:55] <Kealper> oh
#1771 [16:55] <Kealper> yeah, that would probably fix it
#1772 [16:55] <wesmagyar> its the one i play on
#1773 [16:56] <wesmagyar> and ive hosted a server off of this machine before but that was a few months ago before they had damage and stuff on multiplayer
#1774 [16:56] <Kealper> there are some reports of people with nice computers not being able to host and play at the same time, or it will lag all to shit just exactly like it was doing
#1775 [16:56] <wesmagyar> had no problems then
#1776 [16:56] <Kealper> weird
#1777 [16:56] <Kealper> idk
#1778 [16:56] <wesmagyar> my linux box however is only a celeron 900
#1779 [16:57] <wesmagyar> but we'll see
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#1781 [16:57] <wesmagyar> couldnt be much worse :D
#1782 [16:57] <Zw> Kealper, server
#1783 [16:58] <wesmagyar> but yeah its something eating up my cpu.. java starts eating up over a gig of ram and my cpu usage jumps up to like 98%
#1784 [16:58] <Kealper> Zw: just looks like people losing connection because their internet sucks....does it do this all the time?
#1785 [16:58] <wesmagyar> but the server window says its only using up like 60 megs of ram
#1786 [16:58] <Kealper> the server will use 1 gig of ram by default, but the cpu pegging at 100% is weird
#1787 [16:59] <wesmagyar> ah
#1788 [16:59] <Kealper> wesmagyar: it allocates 1 gig, but only uses what it needs from that allocated ram
#1789 [16:59] <Kealper> so it will still show as high ram usage, since that ram is set aside for the server incase it needs it
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#1791 [17:00] <wesmagyar> yeah... well i have 8 gigs so one gig isnt all that big of a hit
#1792 [17:00] <frogonia> what can i do if i get a black screen in minecraft after play some minutes ?
#1793 [17:02] <wesmagyar> km kaelper see if you can log in and tell me if there is any lag... im not running the client on my machine just the server
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#1795 [17:02] <wesmagyar> ill hop on my girlfriends computer and log in there and see if there is a problem after that
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#1797 [17:05] <Colossus_NL> Kealper reboot did not solve it :(
#1798 [17:07] <wesmagyar> nv mind kealper that appears to be the problem
#1799 [17:08] <wesmagyar> just ran it from other machine and no lag at all loaded right up
#1800 [17:08] <wesmagyar> afk for a bit
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#1807 [17:23] <Colossus_NL> Kealper still no succes with the download, even tried it on another machine, same problem
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#1810 [17:25] <Emil> Hey, my friend have a problem, he can play the game normal but more often than not the game seems to hang and when he tries to reconnect it don't work and after he restarted the game he gets a java error. Then he can't connect to minecraft.net not even the website. I would appreciate if anyone have any knowledge and can help
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#1812 [17:34] <Kealper> Colossus_NL: sorry, real life called, had to go afk....what size is minecraft.exe for you? it should be about 277kb
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#1815 [17:40] <HerpaDerp> What videocards would give a decent FPS in minecraft? My 6600GT just doesn't cut it
#1816 [17:41] <Kealper> uh....what is your fps with a 6600GT?
#1817 [17:41] <exp0> My GTS 240 works fine.
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#1820 [17:47] <Roenie> my 4870X2 does the job
#1821 [17:47] <Roenie> har har
#1822 [17:47] <Kealper> i'd hope so
#1823 [17:47] <Kealper> lol
#1824 [17:48] <Roenie> the lights dim when i start a 3D app though
#1825 [17:48] <Roenie> jk
#1826 [17:48] <Solvius> lol So far 0 people have registered and 0 people bought the game.
#1827 [17:48] <Roenie> (but I'm sure it must be close)
#1828 [17:48] <Kealper> the stats page is probably not fully working after the move
#1829 [17:48] <Solvius> someting went wrong ? :)
#1830 [17:48] <Kealper> a few other things are still down, too
#1831 [17:49] <Solvius> looks funny Kealper
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#1833 [17:50] <Solvius> well I love the game, but I'm off to bed now, goodnight
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#1835 [17:54] <frogonia> what can i doo against minecraft blackscreens?
#1836 [17:55] <Kealper> how often do you get them?
#1837 [17:55] <frogonia> after 5 minutes
#1838 [17:55] <Kealper> what sort of graphics card do you have?
#1839 [17:56] <frogonia> i dont know i dont have the problem i ask for a friend ... maybe i can reach him... the i will ask him -> wait a sec
#1840 [17:56] <Kealper> oh
#1841 [17:57] <frogonia> is the problem caused by garphic cards?
#1842 [17:57] <frogonia> i cant reach him :(
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#1845 [17:59] <Karl> Hey all. Quick question if I may? The texture on my grass in game has changed to plain jet black. Is there any reason for this?
#1846 [17:59] <PersonMan> Hey, I've got a problem trying to buy a game for a friend.
#1847 [17:59] <PersonMan> Is the buying stuff just down or what?
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#1849 [18:00] <PersonMan> I bought it a while ago and it isn't giving me the redemption code
#1850 [18:00] <lemon-rev> did you buy it useing paypal ?
#1851 [18:00] <PersonMan> No, I directly paid
#1852 [18:01] <lemon-rev> did it give you a order number
#1853 [18:01] <PersonMan> Nope
#1854 [18:01] <lemon-rev> and did you get an email stating that it worked
#1855 [18:01] <PersonMan> it just sort of put me on a page
#1856 [18:01] <PersonMan> Nope
#1857 [18:01] <PersonMan> No email, no anything
#1858 [18:01] <PersonMan> Did it just not go through?
#1859 [18:02] <lemon-rev> well thats what im trying to work out
#1860 [18:02] <lemon-rev> have you got telephone banking
#1861 [18:02] <lemon-rev> or internet banking
#1862 [18:02] <PersonMan> Telephone
#1863 [18:02] <PersonMan> And they called me about the charge
#1864 [18:03] <lemon-rev> ok, so you had to tell them to allow it ?
#1865 [18:03] <PersonMan> No, they just asked if it was legit
#1866 [18:03] <lemon-rev> hum
#1867 [18:03] <lemon-rev> so the bank saw it, at least
#1868 [18:03] <PersonMan> Yeah
#1869 [18:04] <lemon-rev> it could just be a matter of how long it takes the bank to pass it though there system
#1870 [18:04] <PersonMan> So I should just wait some more?
#1871 [18:04] <lemon-rev> well either that, or ring bank back and ask how long roughly it will take to process the payment
#1872 [18:04] <lemon-rev> and if its already gone though
#1873 [18:05] <lemon-rev> can you get an email saying it has
#1874 [18:05] <lemon-rev> lol
#1875 [18:05] <PersonMan> I probably can
#1876 [18:05] <PersonMan> I'll go back to waiting and stuff like that
#1877 [18:05] <lemon-rev> only thing i can put to you at this time
#1878 [18:05] <PersonMan> Thanks for your help!
#1879 [18:05] <PersonMan> Yes?
#1880 [18:05] <lemon-rev> well as i said i cant halp you more that what i have untill your bank has processed it
#1881 [18:05] <lemon-rev> thats all
#1882 [18:06] <PersonMan> k
#1883 [18:06] <PersonMan> thanks!
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#1888 [18:24] <flooptweet> I'm having a weird problem running a server
#1889 [18:24] <flooptweet> http://i52.tinypic.com/scvupv.png
#1890 [18:24] <flooptweet> This is the problem.
#1891 [18:24] <flooptweet> Whoever joins, including me, freefalls until disconnect
#1892 [18:24] <lemon-rev> how much ram you got
#1893 [18:24] <flooptweet> 6 gigs.
#1894 [18:24] <lemon-rev> and you might wanta delete that world and start again
#1895 [18:25] <flooptweet> Done that several times.
#1896 [18:25] <lemon-rev> hm
#1897 [18:25] <Roenie> I get that freefall to on my server, but then the player lands and all is fine - I assume that is normal, and this is not?
#1898 [18:25] <flooptweet> If I join via localhost on my computer it mostly works, but random blocks wont generate or blocks all become indestuctable
#1899 [18:25] <flooptweet> I thought so, but nobody ever lands.
#1900 [18:25] <lemon-rev> its normal for someone to see the world freefall but its just the map trying to load up
#1901 [18:26] <flooptweet> They freefall and just disconnect, it never loads.
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#1903 [18:26] <lemon-rev> flooptweet if you try digging near the spawn point you will find things regenerate
#1904 [18:26] <flooptweet> I did the portforwarding and everything
#1905 [18:26] <Roenie> do you use any plug-ins?
#1906 [18:26] <flooptweet> No plug ins.
#1907 [18:26] <lemon-rev> so you have to move away from that
#1908 [18:26] <lemon-rev> and no this channel doesnt support plug-ins
#1909 [18:27] <flooptweet> I dont use any.
#1910 [18:27] <flooptweet> Vanilla minecraft with vanilla server software
#1911 [18:27] <flooptweet> Forwarded the port
#1912 [18:27] <lemon-rev> yea that sounds like its working but its with the world loading up
#1913 [18:27] <lemon-rev> thats seems to be problimatic
#1914 [18:27] <lemon-rev> for you
#1915 [18:27] <Roenie> if there was a problem with port forwarding, players wouldn' t be able to join in the first place
#1916 [18:28] <flooptweet> Well, I have a sufficient computer and I assume sufficient internet
#1917 [18:28] <flooptweet> 15mbps
#1918 [18:28] <flooptweet> I can play other people's servers
#1919 [18:28] <lemon-rev> hm
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#1921 [18:28] <lemon-rev> ok you said that when you connect floop that the world sometimes works well
#1922 [18:28] <lemon-rev> correct
#1923 [18:28] <lemon-rev> ??
#1924 [18:29] <flooptweet> Only if I connect on the host computer via localhost, instead of an IP
#1925 [18:29] <flooptweet> and even then there's many issues
#1926 [18:29] <flooptweet> Sometimes nothing gens, something most of a world gens
#1927 [18:29] <flooptweet> But eventually all blocks become unmineable or it stops generating
#1928 [18:29] <flooptweet> And anyone else who joins via IP just freefalls, as stated before
#1929 [18:29] <Roenie> have you checked for excessive packet loss?
#1930 [18:30] <flooptweet> How can I do that
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#1933 [18:30] <Roenie> what's the server IP?
#1934 [18:30] <flooptweet> one second
#1935 [18:31] <asdf> I am getting creepers during the day. Why is that happening?
#1936 [18:31] <Leviahtan> Creepers don't burn in daylight
#1937 [18:31] <asdf> But I thought monsters only come in the dark or in dark places?
#1938 [18:32] <lemon-rev> creepers dont die, once there spawned
#1939 [18:32] <lemon-rev> lol
#1940 [18:32] <asdf> I cant get anything done, due to the creepers trying to kill me during the day.
#1941 [18:32] <Leviahtan> They spawn at night, but will stay in an area until you move far enough away or they die
#1942 [18:32] <Leviahtan> Peaceful?
#1943 [18:32] <Roenie> creepers try to get into your personal dark place, generally
#1944 [18:32] <lemon-rev> zombies and undead skelitons die ff during the day
#1945 [18:32] <asdf> Leviahtan: that what I am having to do.
#1946 [18:33] <asdf> but its annoying
#1947 [18:33] <Leviahtan> Also, check all the caves in the area, there may be a dungeon w/ a creeper spawner
#1948 [18:34] <Leviahtan> And if that dosent help, build a wall and light the wall'd off area up
#1949 [18:34] <asdf> can spiders cross water?
#1950 [18:34] <lemon-rev> all creatures can cross water
#1951 [18:34] <asdf> ok
#1952 [18:35] <asdf> this nis what am getting
#1953 [18:35] <asdf> is*
#1954 [18:35] <asdf> http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4629/creeperv.png
#1955 [18:35] <lemon-rev> make a bow and arrow and shoot it lol
#1956 [18:35] <Roenie> flooptweet, ping -t -l 1000 serverIP (from remote location)
#1957 [18:35] <lemon-rev> or run away if you want lol
#1958 [18:37] <Leviahtan> Would someone mind providing me with feedback on my getSat topic?
#1959 [18:37] <asdf> heh ok thanks
#1960 [18:38] <asdf> bye all
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#1962 [18:38] <flooptweet> Sorry about that
#1963 [18:38] <flooptweet> had to restart the server and stuff
#1964 [18:39] <flooptweet> 68.6.201.128
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#1966 [18:41] <flooptweet> Of course, now it's mostly generating
#1967 [18:41] <flooptweet> Weird.
#1968 [18:41] <lemon-rev> ok
#1969 [18:41] <flooptweet> But why is it so slow?
#1970 [18:41] <lemon-rev> its the lagg people are getting
#1971 [18:41] <lemon-rev> but im on land, and sometimes see people falling
#1972 [18:42] <Leviahtan> Did you have another program taking up memory?
#1973 [18:42] <flooptweet> No
#1974 [18:44] <flooptweet> Hey lemon
#1975 [18:44] <lemon-rev> that block thing is massive lagg
#1976 [18:44] <lemon-rev> yes
#1977 [18:44] <flooptweet> So what could be causing that lag?
#1978 [18:45] <lemon-rev> well its hard for me cause im in australia, and have enough bw to stay on your server and move about the world but, you really need someone closer
#1979 [18:45] <lemon-rev> to test it
#1980 [18:45] <Leviahtan> Where's server?
#1981 [18:45] <lemon-rev> which server you running btw java or exe
#1982 [18:46] <Lorax> the exe just calls the java for you
#1983 [18:46] <lemon-rev> hm
#1984 [18:46] <flooptweet> Exe
#1985 [18:46] <flooptweet> I'm running the server off my home computer
#1986 [18:46] <Leviahtan> How much RAM?
#1987 [18:46] <flooptweet> Just did an internet speed test, 10mbps down 4mbps up
#1988 [18:46] <flooptweet> 6 gigs
#1989 [18:47] <lemon-rev> flooptweet ctrl + alt + delete < get task manager and see how much cpu your running at
#1990 [18:47] <lemon-rev> when your running the game and server
#1991 [18:47] <flooptweet> It's a new i5 computer I built myself.
#1992 [18:47] <flooptweet> And it has no issues running it
#1993 [18:47] <lemon-rev> im not saying it does
#1994 [18:47] <lemon-rev> but check the cpu useage when you have both running
#1995 [18:48] <lemon-rev> quad or deul ?
#1996 [18:48] <SinZ> smp is a cpu hog
#1997 [18:48] <SinZ> (server)
#1998 [18:48] <flooptweet> Running the server its only 5-10%
#1999 [18:48] <lemon-rev> hm
#2000 [18:49] <flooptweet> With game, ~40%
#2001 [18:49] <flooptweet> CPU usage
#2002 [18:49] <flooptweet> 60% free ram
#2003 [18:49] <Leviahtan> Try to up the priority
#2004 [18:49] <feenyx> my comp is at 5% cpu usage total, with the server running, but empty
#2005 [18:49] <feenyx> around 15% with people in it
#2006 [18:49] <flooptweet> Of server or game?
#2007 [18:49] <SinZ> server
#2008 [18:49] <Leviahtan> Are you running the server program as Admin?
#2009 [18:50] <flooptweet> Yes
#2010 [18:50] <flooptweet> Just put priority to high
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#2013 [18:51] <flooptweet> running two computers right next to eachother so i'll try on the non-hosting computer
#2014 [18:51] <flabbergaster> hello
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#2016 [18:51] <flabbergaster> Could I get some help with redstone
#2017 [18:52] <lemon-rev> ?
#2018 [18:52] <flooptweet> still taking forever to generate blocks and there are large gaping voids of no blocks at all
#2019 [18:52] <lemon-rev> whats trouble
#2020 [18:52] <Leviahtan> floop mind if i join?
#2021 [18:52] <flooptweet> Go for it
#2022 [18:52] <flooptweet> 68.6.201.128
#2023 [18:52] <lemon-rev> floop thats still lagg and i dont know wtf is gong on with your lag
#2024 [18:52] <flooptweet> I can play games fine with very low ping usually
#2025 [18:52] <Leviahtan> Oh
#2026 [18:53] <Leviahtan> Make damn sure that it's has exceptions to all your firewalls
#2027 [18:53] <flabbergaster> I have a mine cart system I am working on but can get my booster to change tracks
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#2029 [18:54] <flooptweet> Blocks regenerate when broken
#2030 [18:54] <Leviahtan> ... my display driver just tried to kill itself
#2031 [18:54] <flooptweet> K i'll make sure
#2032 [18:55] <lemon-rev> floop two things blocks will rengerate near spawn regardless but when your away from that spot and they still regenerate thats lagg
#2033 [18:56] <flooptweet> I've gathered that much
#2034 [18:58] <flooptweet> Anything change?
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#2036 [18:58] <lhowon> Hello there.
#2037 [18:59] <lhowon> Question: Realizing that minecraft.net has been spotty the last few days, has anyone else been able to completely, full-stop, not be able to connect?
#2038 [18:59] <Leviahtan> It's lagging, for sure
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#2040 [18:59] <Leviahtan> Generating fine tho
#2041 [19:00] <flooptweet> What's with the intense lag? It's like I'm on dial up
#2042 [19:00] <lhowon> Yeah, I figured as much. I can't connect either through the java client, or the browser
#2043 [19:00] <lhowon> I
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#2045 [19:00] <lhowon> *er I'm thinking it's a DNS issue, but I can't confirm it and the support threads on the forum don't really refer to my issue
#2046 [19:00] <Leviahtan> You're zazumage, rite?
#2047 [19:01] <flooptweet> Yes
#2048 [19:01] <lhowon> Me? I've never heard of a zazumage.
#2049 [19:01] <lhowon> Ah, nevermind.
#2050 [19:01] <Leviahtan> IDK about the lag, but there's a skeleton running in circles around you attempting to shoot you
#2051 [19:02] <Leviahtan> It's rather comical
#2052 [19:02] <flooptweet> I don't even see it -_-
#2053 [19:02] <flooptweet> Just got Timed Out
#2054 [19:02] <Leviahtan> Dude
#2055 [19:02] <Leviahtan> it's you
#2056 [19:02] <Leviahtan> you left
#2057 [19:02] <Leviahtan> It started working
#2058 [19:02] <flooptweet> Is it working fine right now?
#2059 [19:03] <Leviahtan> Yeah
#2060 [19:03] <Leviahtan> Try connecting again
#2061 [19:03] <sigurdtheone> I have a question: Is it possible to be the host of a Minecraft Beta server if you are sitting behind a router you have no control of? for example via a URL provided by minecraft.net? I have searched a bit for this information, but most information i could find was outdated.
#2062 [19:03] <flooptweet> connected
#2063 [19:03] <lhowon> Sigurd: Unlikely
#2064 [19:04] <Leviahtan> Yeah as soon as you connected it got choppy
#2065 [19:04] <flooptweet> What might that be?
#2066 [19:04] <sigurdtheone> Mmm, too bad. I s'pose ill have to start nagging friends with with fixed external IP's then :)
#2067 [19:04] <lhowon> Depends on the router, but if you have a normal home setup, or you're on a campus/school network... you would have to do it yourself
#2068 [19:04] <Leviahtan> Overworking your router maybe
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#2070 [19:05] <lhowon> And obviously admins aren't too keen on letting you host your own servers on their networks. Bandwidth suffocation and all
#2071 [19:05] <flooptweet> By hosting a game and playing at the same time? Not likely
#2072 [19:05] <flooptweet> It's my network
#2073 [19:05] <Leviahtan> You said you werent playing on the same pc you were hosting on, right?
#2074 [19:05] <mcnewbie> does anyone know how to fix the seaming issues from minecraft?
#2075 [19:06] <sigurdtheone> Thanks for the answer tho lhowon.
#2076 [19:06] <flooptweet> True, want me to try playing from the host computer?
#2077 [19:06] <Leviahtan> yeah
#2078 [19:06] <lhowon> Yep. Might try some sort of VPN-esque solution like Hamachi though.
#2079 [19:07] <flooptweet> There
#2080 [19:07] <lhowon> No guarantees, but it's technically capable of doing such things inside firewalled networks
#2081 [19:07] <flooptweet> I'm elguapo
#2082 [19:07] <flooptweet> Is it still working?
#2083 [19:07] <Leviahtan> It's wierd as soon as you leave bi can pick up blocks instantly
#2084 [19:07] <i81u812> are there two spiders?
#2085 [19:07] <Leviahtan> YA
#2086 [19:07] <i81u812> when did that happen
#2087 [19:07] <i81u812> and not the skelly spider either
#2088 [19:08] <flooptweet> So it's working when I am on the host computer?
#2089 [19:08] <sigurdtheone> I had thought of that, may achually be a solution. Haven't tested it tho. ATM im just desperately trying to fix some modding issues that im having on it, but unfortunately there's very little support to be found on the area.
#2090 [19:08] <Leviahtan> are you elguano?
#2091 [19:08] <flooptweet> Yeah
#2092 [19:08] <Leviahtan> yeah its fine now
#2093 [19:09] <flooptweet> Seems like connecting on a computer off the same network fucks it up
#2094 [19:09] <flooptweet> What could that be?
#2095 [19:09] <Leviahtan> no idea
#2096 [19:09] <flooptweet> I'll check the firewall here
#2097 [19:09] <flooptweet> And see if that changes
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#2099 [19:10] <Leviahtan> run the game as admin too
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#2102 [19:10] <Leviahtan> uhhh whats with the white trees
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#2104 [19:11] <Leviahtan> Lags back
#2105 [19:11] <flooptweet> is it still working?
#2106 [19:11] <flooptweet> hmm
#2107 [19:12] <Shamoo> hey everyone
#2108 [19:12] <Shamoo> Is anyone able to answer a quick question?
#2109 [19:12] <lemon-rev> ask away we can only try
#2110 [19:13] <Shamoo> well, I tried asking before and I got a few helpful this (thanks Kealper), but I was never able to find out what causes http://i.imgur.com/dddJ4.png
#2111 [19:13] <Shamoo> this = tips
#2112 [19:13] <Leviahtan> The lag was gone for a bit while you werestill connected floop
#2113 [19:13] <lemon-rev> hahahahahahhaha
#2114 [19:14] <Leviahtan> Ummmm
#2115 [19:14] <lemon-rev> shampoo, thats just nothing
#2116 [19:14] <Leviahtan> Shamoo, dont worry bout it, Or maybe change to Fancy graphics
#2117 [19:15] <flooptweet> So the issue is only occurant when I play minecraft off a computer on the same network
#2118 [19:15] <lemon-rev> forget it, when you move along some bits in minecraft it trys to highlight an area with a verry find blackground or surounding of the block, and those white dots are just where the line doesnt block out where its metn to
#2119 [19:15] <lemon-rev> theres absuluty nothing to worry about
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#2121 [19:15] <flooptweet> Lev
#2122 [19:16] <Leviahtan> huh
#2123 [19:16] <lemon-rev> sorry floop i wasnt talking to you directy
#2124 [19:16] <flooptweet> What about forwarding the minecraft server ports on this computer's IP address too?
#2125 [19:16] <flooptweet> could that be lagging it up
#2126 [19:16] <Leviahtan> Wut
#2127 [19:16] <lemon-rev> shamoo did you get what i said
#2128 [19:16] <Leviahtan> ummmm
#2129 [19:16] <Leviahtan> no idea
#2130 [19:16] <Roenie> <flooptweet> 68.6.201.128
#2131 [19:16] <Roenie> i can't ping that
#2132 [19:17] <Shamoo> oh, ok. I was worried there was something wrong with my computer. So it's just something wrong with the game or how java works?
#2133 [19:17] <Roenie> so either incorrect IP or ping is blocked
#2134 [19:17] <lemon-rev> its nothing of nothing
#2135 [19:17] <lemon-rev> its just a slight error correction of the game trying to be correct
#2136 [19:17] <lemon-rev> it means nothing
#2137 [19:17] <Shamoo> ok, thanks
#2138 [19:17] <Roenie> ah it' s back
#2139 [19:18] <Roenie> no packetloss
#2140 [19:18] <Roenie> it's not the connection
#2141 [19:19] <flooptweet> I absolutely cannot figure this out.
#2142 [19:19] <Roenie> <flooptweet> So the issue is only occurant when I play minecraft off a computer on the same network
#2143 [19:19] <Leviahtan> It kicked me out and now I'm getting (Failed to connect to the server Connection timed out: connect)
#2144 [19:19] <Roenie> have you tried more than one PC on the same network?
#2145 [19:19] <Roenie> because it sounds like a problem with an individual computer
#2146 [19:19] <flooptweet> Well
#2147 [19:19] <flooptweet> I hosted on this computer (the one that might be causing the issue)
#2148 [19:19] <flooptweet> And it was the same thing
#2149 [19:20] <flooptweet> It played fine until the other computer connected
#2150 [19:20] <flooptweet> On my network
#2151 [19:20] <Leviahtan> connected again
#2152 [19:20] <Roenie> try hosting and running the client on the same computer
#2153 [19:20] <flooptweet> Works fine that way
#2154 [19:20] <flooptweet> But I'm trying to play with my friend
#2155 [19:20] <flooptweet> off a home network.
#2156 [19:21] <flooptweet> Two computers, same network, one hosts.
#2157 [19:21] <Roenie> I get that
#2158 [19:21] <Roenie> I just meant as a test
#2159 [19:21] <Leviahtan> lagging now
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#2161 [19:21] <flooptweet> Here, watch me DC this computer and lag disappears
#2162 [19:21] <flooptweet> See what I mean
#2163 [19:22] <Roenie> are you running antivirus software that checks your network traffic?
#2164 [19:23] <Roenie> if so, it may be messing with packets of mine craft
#2165 [19:23] <flooptweet> No, avast on both computers.
#2166 [19:23] <Roenie> I' m not familiar with that one
#2167 [19:24] <Roenie> try start->"cmd" <enter>
#2168 [19:24] <Roenie> ping -t -l 1000 <local IP of server>
#2169 [19:25] <Roenie> ctrl+c after a little while, what's the % of dropped/lost packets?
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#2172 [19:27] <Tidbit12> is there any way at all to make minecraft play music all the time?
#2173 [19:28] <Tidbit12> besides using the record player?
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#2175 [19:28] <Roenie> create music boxes :-)
#2176 [19:29] <Roenie> turn off the music and one winamp
#2177 [19:29] <Roenie> one=run
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#2179 [19:29] <Roenie> this channel does not support plug-ins / mods but I think there is an MP3 thingy somewhere
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#2183 [19:33] <Tidbit12> hmm
#2184 [19:33] <Tidbit12> meh
#2185 [19:34] <Tidbit12> I just hope notch adds support for music that plays all the time
#2186 [19:34] <Tidbit12> Or atleast an option to add you're own music
#2187 [19:34] <Roenie> after the Beta update I switched off the music pretty quickly
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#2189 [19:35] <Roenie> I just run winamp :)
#2190 [19:35] <Tidbit12> yeah I do that every now and then
#2191 [19:36] <Tidbit12> But my comp needs more ram
#2192 [19:36] <ACsiD> i use foobar 2k
#2193 [19:36] <Tidbit12> So I can't really run alot of other things aside from minecraft
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#2195 [19:36] <Roenie> use an old version of winamp
#2196 [19:36] <Roenie> specifically 2.95
#2197 [19:37] <Tidbit12> I actually dont like winamp :P
#2198 [19:37] <Tidbit12> Can't stand it actually
#2199 [19:37] <Tidbit12> I hate its UI
#2200 [19:38] <Roenie> boo
#2201 [19:38] <Tidbit12> But foobar looks really slick
#2202 [19:38] <Roenie> don' t tell me you run some kind of wank apple application
#2203 [19:38] <Tidbit12> I'll dl it later
#2204 [19:38] <Tidbit12> :I
#2205 [19:39] <Tidbit12> No I just dont like WinAmp
#2206 [19:39] <Roenie> ok
#2207 [19:41] <Roenie> wow, you call that slick?
#2208 [19:42] <Roenie> I would describe that as the opposite
#2209 [19:42] <Roenie> but whatever floats your boat
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#2213 [19:54] <skefv> Hello, is it possible to play beta online for free?
#2214 [19:54] <SkiingPenguins> no.
#2215 [19:54] <skefv> k :(
#2216 [19:55] <Tidbit12> :I
#2217 [19:55] <Tidbit12> well unless you want to pira*shot
#2218 [19:55] <lemon-rev> skefv you pay for it then you play online for free lol
#2219 [19:55] <skefv> lol
#2220 [19:55] <skefv> guess i'll have to wait untill payday :(
#2221 [19:56] <Tidbit12> I hate it when I want to work on a game
#2222 [19:56] <Tidbit12> and I lack the motivation
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#2224 [19:57] <Tidbit12> it sucks V_V
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#2236 [20:24] <mib_p6o84q> Has anyone else had issues with Gift codes not being sent? It has been almost 24 hours and I haven't received the two gift codes I purchased, as well as any kind of confirmation email. Both transactions have been posted to my bank account however
#2237 [20:25] <Roenie> that part *always* works
#2238 [20:26] <lemon-rev> i wuld check your bank and find out if the transactions acaully went though
#2239 [20:27] <mib_p6o84q> they did
#2240 [20:28] <lemon-rev> they did ?
#2241 [20:28] <lemon-rev> your friends or you did
#2242 [20:28] <lemon-rev> and ?
#2243 [20:28] <mib_p6o84q> I bought 2 gift codes for my friends
#2244 [20:29] <lemon-rev> yea yea, but did you check your bank and see if the transactions went though and if so,asked why you havent seen anything from them via email ?
#2245 [20:29] <mib_p6o84q> i emailed payment@mojang
#2246 [20:29] <mib_p6o84q> but no response
#2247 [20:29] <lemon-rev> not what i ment
#2248 [20:29] <lemon-rev> why cant you answer me
#2249 [20:29] <mib_p6o84q> what do you mean
#2250 [20:30] <mib_p6o84q> I am answering you
#2251 [20:30] <lemon-rev> and emailing payment menas nothing unless you have a order code or payment code
#2252 [20:30] <mib_p6o84q> well they didnt send me an order code
#2253 [20:30] <lemon-rev> no your saying you did this and that but im asking you persaonnly about your bank
#2254 [20:30] <lemon-rev> hm
#2255 [20:30] <mib_p6o84q> I told you, the transactions went through
#2256 [20:30] <lemon-rev> when you buy something you noramlly get an transaction number
#2257 [20:30] <lemon-rev> you need that
#2258 [20:30] <mib_p6o84q> i can see them on the banks website
#2259 [20:30] <lemon-rev> first
#2260 [20:30] <mib_p6o84q> they didnt give me that either
#2261 [20:30] <mib_p6o84q> 01/24/11 CHKCARDWWW.MINECRAFT.NSTOCKHO SESE $20.32
#2262 [20:31] <mib_p6o84q> thats all it says
#2263 [20:31] <mib_p6o84q> on my bank page
#2264 [20:31] <lemon-rev> i would ring bank and ask if that transaction acually ocurred, sounds like they wanted to check minecraft
#2265 [20:31] <lemon-rev> i dnt know what sese means
#2266 [20:32] <mib_p6o84q> ok Ill try callin wells fargo
#2267 [20:32] <lemon-rev> np
#2268 [20:32] <mib_p6o84q> is minecraft based somewhere outside the us
#2269 [20:33] <SkiingPenguins> stockholm is what it says on your bank
#2270 [20:33] <i81u812> can you change the amoun of allocated memory for the game?
#2271 [20:33] <i81u812> amount*
#2272 [20:33] <mib_p6o84q> ahh i see, maybe thats why, my bank might think its suspicious activity
#2273 [20:33] <lemon-rev> i think you can only do that in server properties but i dont know about anything else
#2274 [20:34] <SkiingPenguins> i81u812 yes, using command line operators when you launch the .jar
#2275 [20:34] <i81u812> not really trying to run a server I just want awesome framerate
#2276 [20:34] <SkiingPenguins> i wish i knew how, someone in here knew
#2277 [20:34] <i81u812> ok ty
#2278 [20:34] <mib_p6o84q> what are those command line operators
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#2280 [20:35] <SkiingPenguins> if i knew them i'd have said them
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#2284 [20:40] <chaoz> hi
#2285 [20:40] <chaoz> how do i i force minecraft to run at 1080p? mine wont run on 1080 even on fullscreen
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#2287 [20:41] <wutz> hey
#2288 [20:41] <wutz> i'm trying to run minecraft in linux and it's giving me an error
#2289 [20:41] <wutz> it open up okay, and asks me to login
#2290 [20:42] <wutz> and when i do, it seems to complete the login successfully, and downloads updates if there are any
#2291 [20:42] <wutz> but then it says "Minecraft has crashed!"
#2292 [20:43] <wutz> some error stuff dunno if it's important, maybe this part is: "[failed to get system properties (java.lang.NullPointerException)]"
#2293 [20:43] <wutz> "org.lwjgl.LWJGLException: Could not choose visual"
#2294 [20:44] <Roenie> lwjgl is the opengl library used by mc
#2295 [20:45] <Roenie> if that doesn't help you, try windows
#2296 [20:46] <wutz> i would love to play on windows
#2297 [20:46] <wutz> but minecraft crashes my laptop 5 minutes in to playing
#2298 [20:47] <wutz> but i've given up on fixing that problem, so i'm forced to face this one instead
#2299 [20:47] <Roenie> bad idea trust me
#2300 [20:47] <wutz> no other choice if i want to play
#2301 [20:47] <Roenie> you can' t fix a Windows problem, so you decide to fix the Linux problem?
#2302 [20:47] <Roenie> that makes no sense at all
#2303 [20:47] <wutz> the windows problem isn't a problem with windows, it's a problem with the game
#2304 [20:48] <wutz> it bugs out when you run it on windows 7. tons of other people have reported the same thing.
#2305 [20:48] <Roenie> yes because mc crashes every computer in five minutes including mine of course
#2306 [20:48] <Roenie> I run Windows 7 64bit
#2307 [20:48] <Roenie> no problem here
#2308 [20:48] * SkiingPenguins runs win7 32bit
#2308 [20:48] <SkiingPenguins> no problem
#2309 [20:49] <wutz> you want to offer some solution, because i've tried everything i've found online
#2310 [20:49] <Roenie> the problem is between the chair and keyboard, if you don' t offer details I can' t offer a solution
#2311 [20:49] <SkiingPenguins> well i dont know what nullpointerexecption means
#2312 [20:49] <Roenie> but focus on the Windows problem
#2313 [20:50] <wutz> the problem isn't between the chair and the keyboard, the problem exists in the computer/game. that you don't know what the problem is has to deal with the fact that i haven't told you yet, yet you seem to believe that it can be fixed anyways
#2314 [20:50] <Roenie> enlighten me.
#2315 [20:50] <wutz> the game crashes within 10-15 minutes. 5 minutes was on the low side.
#2316 [20:50] <wutz> resets my entire laptop
#2317 [20:50] <wutz> i can run high end games with no problem
#2318 [20:50] <Roenie> Apparently you don' t know what the problem is, otherwise you wouldn' t be unsure of whether it' s in the game, the computer , or Windows
#2319 [20:50] <wutz> doesn't seem to be an overheating problem
#2320 [20:51] <wutz> i turned frame rate limiter on
#2321 [20:51] <wutz> turned down all the settings
#2322 [20:51] <wutz> forced it to run 64 bit java
#2323 [20:51] <wutz> nothing helped
#2324 [20:51] <wutz> turning down the settings might help to some extent, i'm not sure, but it doesn't correct the problem, if anything simply delays
#2325 [20:51] <Roenie> yup that' s an odd one
#2326 [20:51] <wutz> thanks
#2327 [20:52] <SkiingPenguins> so it isnt a memory leak?
#2328 [20:52] <wutz> i dunno
#2329 [20:52] <Roenie> you haven' t overclocked it?
#2330 [20:52] <wutz> no
#2331 [20:53] <Roenie> have you tried memtest and prime?
#2332 [20:53] <Roenie> and confirmed stable?
#2333 [20:53] <wutz> no i haven't, what do those test for
#2334 [20:53] <Roenie> memtest86+ and prime95 that is
#2335 [20:54] <Roenie> the former tests your memory , the latter can test memory and CPU
#2336 [20:54] <Roenie> the latter is probably the better test, if you run different settings to stress the RAM to its max
#2337 [20:55] <Roenie> and then run it again to stress the CPU
#2338 [20:55] <wutz> is it likely that the problem is with my computer if nothing other than minecraft causes it to crash
#2339 [20:55] <Roenie> some games are more sensitive than others when it comes to system instability
#2340 [20:55] <SkiingPenguins> do you use other java things?
#2341 [20:55] <Roenie> it is unlikely to be a java problem tbh
#2342 [20:55] <wutz> i don't know what other java things i use
#2343 [20:55] <Roenie> I mean , instant reboot ?
#2344 [20:56] <Roenie> or is it a BSOD
#2345 [20:56] <wutz> instant reboot
#2346 [20:56] <Roenie> yeah that' s a hardware problem alright
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#2348 [20:57] <wutz> i've downloaded prime95
#2349 [20:57] <SkiingPenguins> instant reboot could be cause of a BSOD and you told your computer to restart on error
#2350 [20:57] <wutz> do i run a blended torture test
#2351 [20:58] <Roenie> wouldn' t you still see the BSOD for a split second , SkiingPenguins
#2352 [20:58] <frogaincia> I bought a mastercard debit card to buy minecraft with. Didn't realize it was US only. How can I buy the game now?
#2353 [20:58] <SkiingPenguins> i dont know
#2354 [20:58] <Roenie> (i think so)
#2355 [20:58] <SkiingPenguins> frogaincia: try paypal using that debit card linked to it?
#2356 [20:59] <frogaincia> I dont see a way to link the two
#2357 [20:59] <Roenie> wutz, try all of them
#2358 [20:59] <Roenie> wutz, if you have more than one processor core, run prime more than once if you' re testing the CPU
#2359 [21:00] <Roenie> and using task manager, change the CPU affinity accordingly
#2360 [21:00] <Roenie> so that you have it running once on every core
#2361 [21:01] <wutz> it seems like it's doing that automatically
#2362 [21:01] <wutz> but i don't know what it does so maybe not
#2363 [21:01] <Roenie> perhaps I have an old version
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#2365 [21:01] <Roenie> well, look at task manager
#2366 [21:01] <Roenie> check the CPU stress
#2367 [21:02] <Corbu> evenin. Can someone help me with my MC server setup in linux? Seems simple but getting error messages, not working.
#2368 [21:02] <Roenie> if you chose the CPU test, it should be 100%
#2369 [21:02] <wutz> it is
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#2371 [21:03] <Corbu> http://pastebin.com/hZ4Q0QXJ
#2372 [21:03] <Roenie> what is the command you used to start it?
#2373 [21:04] <wutz> i didn't use a command it offered me something like 3 options, one was for blended test, i clicked on that
#2374 [21:04] <Corbu> java -Xms512M -Xmx512M -cp minecraft-server.jar com.mojang.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer
#2375 [21:04] <Roenie> was talking to Corbu
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#2377 [21:05] <Roenie> wutz if prime is stable in every test for an hour at least, it could be a driver problem
#2378 [21:06] <wutz> i tried updating my drivers
#2379 [21:06] <wutz> nothing seemed to want to be updated
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#2381 [21:06] <Roenie> due to being up-to-date, or due to being damaged installation?
#2382 [21:06] <wutz> up to date
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#2385 [21:07] <Roenie> how and what?
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#2387 [21:07] <wutz> i just went to device manager and started trying to update various drivers, it said everything that i tried was up to date
#2388 [21:08] <Roenie> Corbu, why is the command you use different from the one here?
#2389 [21:08] <Roenie> http://www.minecraft.net/download.jsp
#2390 [21:09] <Roenie> lol wutz
#2391 [21:09] <Corbu> thats what I jsut used. The first command I used I got from the mcwiki instructions
#2392 [21:09] <Roenie> ofcourse that doesn' t work wutz
#2393 [21:10] <wutz> am i supposed to manually go hunt down drivers for things
#2394 [21:10] * Roenie jumps off nearest cliff
#2394 [21:10] <Roenie> yes
#2395 [21:11] <wutz> what would you suggest trying first, graphics card?
#2396 [21:11] <Roenie> for laptops, sometimes the driver is on the manufacturer' s website for the graphics card and audio are reasonably up-to-date
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#2398 [21:12] <Roenie> but I would suggest finding out exactly what video and audio " chipsets"/cards your machine has
#2399 [21:12] <Corbu> For the graphics card definitely get the most up to date from NVIDIA or AMD. some laptops won't let you update them, but there is a work around I could help you with, wutz
#2400 [21:12] <Roenie> and then grabbing the driver for it from those manufacturers websites
#2401 [21:12] <wutz> i'm downloading the graphics card driver now
#2402 [21:13] <Roenie> Corbu, try the command from http://www.minecraft.net/download.jsp ?
#2403 [21:13] <Roenie> oh sorry
#2404 [21:13] <Corbu> I did Roenie , then get this error : Error occurred during initialization of VM
#2405 [21:13] <Corbu> Could not reserve enough space for object heap
#2406 [21:13] <Roenie> okay... apparently the Java virtual machine could not be started
#2407 [21:14] <Corbu> hmmm
#2408 [21:14] <Roenie> fixing java related problems on Linux is beyond me
#2409 [21:14] <wutz> where do i find information on my audio chipset or whatever it is
#2410 [21:14] <Corbu> I've got the latest JDK...I'll play around
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#2412 [21:15] <Roenie> I've fixed a JDK issue before on my Linux box
#2413 [21:15] <Roenie> but it's a royal pain
#2414 [21:15] <Corbu> wutz, you running windows? hit win+R then dxdiag
#2415 [21:16] <Roenie> I would google the specs of the 'puter
#2416 [21:16] <Roenie> by its model number
#2417 [21:16] <Corbu> dxdiag will give more detailed info fast, if its windows
#2418 [21:16] <Roenie> kk
#2419 [21:17] <Roenie> if it doesn' t crash that is
#2420 [21:17] <Roenie> :P
#2421 [21:17] <wutz> sound 1 or sound 2? and which of these values should i search for when trying to find drivers?
#2422 [21:17] <wutz> conexant pebble high definition seems to be showing up
#2423 [21:18] <wutz> for the record, this might be important information, maybe not: this whole problem showed up a couple weeks ago, probably after a minecraft update. i was able to play fine before that
#2424 [21:19] <Roenie> important information or not, it doesn' t help us get anywhere
#2425 [21:19] <Roenie> because it proves nothing
#2426 [21:20] <wutz> "install cannot continue - this graphics driver could not find compatible graphics hardware" damn it does this mean i downloaded the wrong one
#2427 [21:20] <Roenie> yes
#2428 [21:21] <wutz> ugh, no "M" on the end of the graphics card
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#2430 [21:22] <Roenie> to get a funny image when it crashes?
#2431 [21:22] <Roenie> or looping or scrambled audio?
#2432 [21:22] <Roenie> or does it just go poof
#2433 [21:22] <wutz> poof
#2434 [21:22] <Corbu> thanks for the help, gotta run!
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#2437 [21:22] <wutz> no warning
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#2439 [21:24] <Roenie> if prime is stable on all settings for >1 hr, find out what video and audio hardware is in your system exactly (my method is google <pc model number here> +specifications), install those (but uninstall old ones first), problem should be fixed
#2440 [21:24] <wutz> prime has been stable so far for 25 minutes or whatever
#2441 [21:25] <Roenie> I' m going to poof into bed
#2442 [21:25] <Roenie> so good luck
#2443 [21:25] <wutz> thanks for the help
#2444 [21:25] <MA-Maddin> hey
#2445 [21:25] <MA-Maddin> is there any chance to host a mysql based server with 1.2_01?
#2446 [21:27] <Roenie> if prime is stable on all settings for >1 hr, find out what video and audio hardware is in your system exactly (my method is google <pc model number here> +specifications), install *drivers for* those (but uninstall old ones first), problem should be fixed
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#2448 [21:29] <pbc2> omg my minecraft still doesnt work
#2449 [21:29] <pbc2> :|
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#2455 [21:47] <exp0> I hate CrapCast. worst speeds for broadband.
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#2457 [21:49] <Glow> I need some help involving that server thing
#2458 [21:52] <Glow> Allright then , i'm trying to set up an SMP server, and i'm stuck after i load the software
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#2468 [22:13] <pbc2> can i talk to someone from notch?
#2469 [22:13] <GreyVulpine> About.
#2470 [22:13] <Kealper> someone from notch?
#2471 [22:13] <pbc2> yep
#2472 [22:14] <pbc2> Its been 2 days since ive emaild support and noreply aobut my account
#2473 [22:14] <pbc2> and ive showed proof of purchase
#2474 [22:14] <pbc2> and i still cant lgin
#2475 [22:14] <GreyVulpine> Did you send an email to Support@mojang.com or payment@mojang.com?
#2476 [22:14] <Kealper> noreply.....
#2477 [22:14] <pbc2> support
#2478 [22:14] <lukegb> ^
#2479 [22:14] <GreyVulpine> support is for bug reports only
#2480 [22:14] <Kealper> send an email to daniel@mojang.com
#2481 [22:14] <KillSpammer> ffs...
#2482 [22:14] <pbc2> i did that to
#2483 [22:14] <pbc2> i sent to both
#2484 [22:15] <pbc2> and still nothing
#2485 [22:15] <KillSpammer> GreyVulpine, you know how to use gimp?
#2486 [22:15] <GreyVulpine> Bleh, no
#2487 [22:15] <KillSpammer> I can't figure out how to get a grid :S
#2488 [22:15] <KillSpammer> I found this option but its confuzzilingzorz
#2489 [22:15] <pbc2> so theres nobody who i can talk with?
#2490 [22:15] <KillSpammer> Pbc2 not really
#2491 [22:15] <KillSpammer> mollstam, you here?
#2492 [22:16] <KillSpammer> Mollstam might be able to help
#2493 [22:16] <pbc2> why is that?
#2494 [22:16] <SkiingPenguins> you want to draw a grid or use a grid for placement of things in gimp?
#2495 [22:17] <Kealper> woh...when did mollstam join this channel? lol
#2496 [22:18] <SkiingPenguins> KillSpammer you there?
#2497 [22:20] <pbc2> i hate this server migration thing.... ever since its happend my accounts been fucked
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#2499 [22:23] <KillSpammer> Mollstam has been here for ages
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#2501 [22:23] <KillSpammer> Mollstam fixed the servers and works for mojang
#2502 [22:23] <KillSpammer> Thats why?
#2503 [22:23] <pbc2> oh
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#2505 [22:23] <pbc2> i didnt know
#2506 [22:23] <KillSpammer> Erm lol
#2507 [22:23] <KillSpammer> Noone knows who he is :S
#2508 [22:23] <KillSpammer> Kealper he ahs been idling in here for a few days
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#2510 [22:24] <pbc2> get him on here ;
#2511 [22:24] <pbc2> :|
#2512 [22:24] <KillSpammer> Pm him
#2513 [22:24] <Kealper> shows how much i look at the userlist lol
#2514 [22:24] <KillSpammer> Yes
#2515 [22:24] <KillSpammer> Or type moll and press tab
#2516 [22:24] <KillSpammer> Erm...
#2517 [22:24] <Kealper> he's not here right now, it's super early in the morning on a sunday where he is.....
#2518 [22:25] <pbc2> ughh
#2519 [22:25] <KillSpammer> SkiingPenguins, i am trying to make a minecraftish background with minecraft blocks and its quite annoying trying to make something with a grid :S
#2520 [22:25] <SkiingPenguins> you want it tiled?
#2521 [22:25] <SkiingPenguins> oh or do you want them all lined up right?
#2522 [22:26] <KillSpammer> Yes...
#2523 [22:26] <SkiingPenguins> yes to which question? haha
#2524 [22:26] <KillSpammer> 2nd
#2525 [22:26] <KillSpammer> I want it so i can easily place and edit the blocks
#2526 [22:26] <SkiingPenguins> well make a grid and then press snap to grid
#2527 [22:27] <KillSpammer> Ermw hat
#2528 [22:27] <KillSpammer> I suck at gimp
#2529 [22:27] <KillSpammer> I have no idea how to do that
#2530 [22:27] <SkiingPenguins> Image -> Configure Grid
#2531 [22:27] <SkiingPenguins> then do that to your liking (experiment)
#2532 [22:27] <SkiingPenguins> but you'll also have to go to View, then click Show Grid
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#2534 [22:28] <SkiingPenguins> and Snap to Grid, to make it really easy to line them up
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#2536 [22:28] <KillSpammer> A block is 16x16
#2537 [22:31] <KillSpammer> Erm got it
#2538 [22:31] <KillSpammer> Now i can actually make graphics like 10 time better now that i know how to make a grid :)
#2539 [22:31] <SkiingPenguins> :D
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#2541 [22:32] <SkiingPenguins> i learned it to tell you how
#2542 [22:32] <Crysis> Can somebody help me?
#2543 [22:32] <SkiingPenguins> how so?
#2544 [22:32] <Crysis> I'm having problems with SMP, i got a error saying recv failed
#2545 [22:33] <Crysis> sometimes when i join servers i fall through maps, the server lags and i get that error
#2546 [22:33] <Crysis> I got a decent internet connection at 2mbps
#2547 [22:33] <GreyVulpine> Check NIC brand
#2548 [22:33] <Crysis> NIC?
#2549 [22:33] <GreyVulpine> network interface card
#2550 [22:33] <GreyVulpine> network adapter
#2551 [22:33] <Crysis> Oh..
#2552 [22:33] <Crysis> it's
#2553 [22:34] <SkiingPenguins> GreyVulpine it might be better if you said network card instead of NIC :P
#2554 [22:34] <GreyVulpine> Everybody says NIC
#2555 [22:34] <Crysis> Hmm
#2556 [22:34] <Kealper> non nerds don't :/
#2557 [22:34] <SkiingPenguins> ive actually never heard it before when i came here
#2558 [22:34] <Crysis> I got two
#2559 [22:34] <Crysis> Theres a wireless?
#2560 [22:34] * GreyVulpine stabs Kealper with a gigabit NIC
#2560 [22:34] <Kealper> NIC is quite an old term lol
#2561 [22:34] <Crysis> Is that the one?
#2562 [22:34] <SkiingPenguins> crysis which one are you using?
#2563 [22:35] * Kealper counter-stabs GreyVulpine with a gigabit NIC
#2563 [22:35] <Crysis> Wireless
#2564 [22:35] <SkiingPenguins> yea, what type is it?
#2565 [22:35] <pbc2> the brand name
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#2567 [22:35] <Drule> Can obsidian be destroyed by creepers
#2568 [22:35] <SkiingPenguins> Drule no
#2569 [22:35] <Crysis> Says Atheros Ar9285
#2570 [22:35] <Drule> anything else that cant be destroyed by creepers
#2571 [22:35] * Kealper shudders
#2571 [22:36] <Kealper> bedrock
#2572 [22:36] <Drule> can you disable creepers? they pretty much ruin all the things me and my friends accomplish
#2573 [22:36] <Kealper> not without turning off all monsters
#2574 [22:36] <Drule> Ok.
#2575 [22:36] <pbc2> i thought u could turn on which mobs u want?
#2576 [22:36] <SkiingPenguins> GreyVulpine arent the atheros cards the ones that are having trouble?
#2577 [22:37] <Kealper> SkiingPenguins: they are the most common ones with problem,s yes
#2578 [22:37] <Kealper> problems, yes*
#2579 [22:37] <Kealper> cold fingers ftl
#2580 [22:37] <Crysis> Is there a fix?
#2581 [22:37] <SkiingPenguins> i think it's java related
#2582 [22:37] <pbc2> buy a new one
#2583 [22:38] <Crysis> Not my laptop ;o
#2584 [22:38] <Kealper> there is a fix, but it almost never works with wirless adapters
#2585 [22:38] <Crysis> That sucks.
#2586 [22:38] <Kealper> indeed
#2587 [22:38] <Crysis> Ah well, guess i'll not be playing minecraft on this pc.
#2588 [22:38] <Kealper> :/
#2589 [22:39] <pbc2> i wish i COULD PLAY MINECRAFT
#2590 [22:39] <pbc2> D:
#2591 [22:39] <Crysis> Well, thanks.
#2592 [22:39] <pbc2> but i cant get any real help other than email support which ive done
#2593 [22:40] * pbc2 sighs
#2593 [22:40] <Drule> I have a problem on m yserver where blocks i destroy keep reappearing
#2594 [22:40] <SkiingPenguins> are you Op?
#2595 [22:40] <Crysis> Seeya and thanks for the help...
#2596 [22:40] <Kealper> you make that sound like we just don't want to help you, pbc2, which is completely not the case....it's that it is impossible for any of us here to help you :/
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#2598 [22:41] <pbc2> get somebody who can
#2599 [22:41] <pbc2> ;o
#2600 [22:41] <SkiingPenguins> you do it
#2601 [22:42] <Kealper> mollstam can help you....he actually works for mojang....as the website guy...meaning he is the exact person you need
#2602 [22:42] <pbc2> mkay
#2603 [22:42] <pbc2> ill pm him til he answers me
#2604 [22:42] <SkiingPenguins> uh he is asleep
#2605 [22:42] <pbc2> its only 10 40pm
#2606 [22:42] <pbc2> ....
#2607 [22:42] <Kealper> a single pm will do....any more and he might just ignore you for being a bother
#2608 [22:43] <Kealper> pbc2: it's 10:40 pm where YOU are, not where he is
#2609 [22:43] <Kealper> it's 4:40 am where he is
#2610 [22:43] <pbc2> where is he
#2611 [22:43] <Kealper> on a sunday
#2612 [22:43] <pbc2> WTF
#2613 [22:43] <pbc2> so
#2614 [22:43] <SkiingPenguins> it's 5 o'clock somewhere...
#2615 [22:43] <pbc2> if i like stay up til like 1am
#2616 [22:43] <pbc2> he'll be awake
#2617 [22:43] <Kealper> wrong 5 o'clock lol
#2618 [22:43] <pbc2> genoius
#2619 [22:44] <Kealper> pbc2: patience...
#2620 [22:44] <pbc2> im loosing it
#2621 [22:44] <pbc2> :?
#2622 [22:44] <SkiingPenguins> o_O
#2623 [22:44] <Drule> SkiingPenguins: Yes I'm op
#2624 [22:44] <pbc2> i need something to kill time lol
#2625 [22:45] <SkiingPenguins> then i have no idea why that's happening
#2626 [22:45] <pbc2> and minecraft did just that
#2627 [22:45] * Kealper goes back to his monitor that is full of code
#2627 [22:45] <Kealper> so play in single player offline
#2628 [22:45] <pbc2> i cant even login how am i supposed to do that
#2629 [22:45] <lemon-rev> keapler what you coddin ?
#2630 [22:45] <pbc2> leethax?
#2631 [22:46] <Kealper> just messing around with drawing advanced stuff in GDI+
#2632 [22:46] <lemon-rev> oh
#2633 [22:46] <lemon-rev> i see
#2634 [22:46] <lemon-rev> good luck then
#2635 [22:46] <Kealper> lol
#2636 [22:47] <pbc2> find me a streaming link to the green hornet
#2637 [22:47] <pbc2> ;3
#2638 [22:47] <Kealper> *ahem*
#2639 [22:47] <Kealper> channel rules
#2640 [22:47] <pbc2> pm it to me so rules apply
#2641 [22:47] <pbc2> lol
#2642 [22:48] <Kealper> i helped write the rules, therefore i refuse to break them :/
#2643 [22:48] <pbc2> u can bend them though ?
#2644 [22:49] <Kealper> but that just wouldn't be kosher
#2645 [22:49] <pbc2> it would be doing me a favor
#2646 [22:49] <pbc2> which i would GREATLY APPREACIATE
#2647 [22:49] <Kealper> google would love the bandwidth usage
#2648 [22:50] * Kealper sips Dr. Pepper
#2648 [22:50] <GreyVulpine> Oh, I'm back
#2649 [22:50] * GreyVulpine reads up, "Atheros?"
#2649 [22:50] <Kealper> lol
#2650 [22:50] * pbc2 sips orange soada
#2650 [22:50] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, figures.
#2651 [22:50] <Kealper> indeed
#2652 [22:50] <pbc2> wat
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#2655 [22:53] <pbc2> omg
#2656 [22:53] <pbc2> i found a link
#2657 [22:54] <pbc2> well i pm'd was his name so ima watch this movie and wait til he ansers me
#2658 [22:54] <Kealper> right.....
#2659 [22:54] <Drule> can creepers blow up solid iron/gold/whatever blocks?
#2660 [22:54] <Kealper> yes
#2661 [22:54] <pbc2> yep
#2662 [23:00] <Drule> Is there anything besides obsidian and bedrock that creepers cant blow up?
#2663 [23:01] * mib_6tc2e2 [mib_6tc2e2@notlogged] has joined ##MineCraftHelp
#2664 [23:01] <GreyVulpine> Nope
#2665 [23:01] <KillSpammer> Drule - Air
#2666 [23:01] <KillSpammer> :)
#2667 [23:01] <Kealper> lol
#2668 [23:01] <mib_6tc2e2> hey, can anyone help me whitelist a smp server now that hmod is gone?
#2669 [23:01] <KillSpammer> ITS TRUE!
#2670 [23:01] <xolotl> Drule: they can't blow up your hope, or your dreams!
#2671 [23:01] * xolotl cues the inspirational music
#2671 [23:01] <Drule> No, it's actually the complete opposite
#2672 [23:01] <Drule> they make me hate the game
#2673 [23:01] <KillSpammer> Drule, Water, Lava
#2674 [23:01] <Drule> they are such a stupid addition
#2675 [23:01] <Drule> and an example of bad game design
#2676 [23:02] <KillSpammer> Drule Peaceful?
#2677 [23:02] <KillSpammer> Mod?
#2678 [23:02] <Drule> ?
#2679 [23:02] <KillSpammer> Ask in #mcp or something
#2680 [23:02] <Kealper> bad game design? creepers make it far more fun
#2681 [23:02] <xolotl> Drule: Just don't let them blow up near your stuff is all
#2682 [23:02] <Drule> THat's easier said that done
#2683 [23:03] <KillSpammer> Drule actually no you can basicially just remove the class creepers and edit a few files and creepers are gone
#2684 [23:03] <KillSpammer> Or just stop them spawning
#2685 [23:03] <KillSpammer> Ask one of the modders to help you do that.
#2686 [23:03] <KillSpammer> Most of them are nice
#2687 [23:04] <mib_6tc2e2> so theres no smp admins here that have a whitelist running?
#2688 [23:04] <KillSpammer> mib_6tc2e2, theres no working software at the moment
#2689 [23:05] * Kealper could make a whitelist, but does not want to share his wrapper
#2689 [23:05] <KillSpammer> mib_6tc2e2, there might be some unoffical version of hey0 out there but i wouldn't trust them
#2690 [23:06] <mib_6tc2e2> ok thanks man, i appreciate the help
#2691 [23:06] <mib_6tc2e2> thats what i was afraid of
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#2693 [23:06] <mib_6tc2e2> my users are just barking at me
#2694 [23:07] <KillSpammer> Look the hey0 forums
#2695 [23:07] <KillSpammer> YOu could try the unoffical ones from some of the trusted plugin makers
#2696 [23:07] <xolotl> mib_6tc2e2: You can ask for IP addresses and use some firewall rules
#2697 [23:07] <mib_6tc2e2> yeah, i just like the new features
#2698 [23:07] <xolotl> mib_6tc2e2: Far less convenient than a real whitelist option, but it'd work for now, at least
#2699 [23:08] <mib_6tc2e2> the server is hosted remotely
#2700 [23:08] <xolotl> mib_6tc2e2: Your users'd have to have some way to contact you outside the game, of course
#2701 [23:08] <mib_6tc2e2> i dont think i could do a firewall
#2702 [23:08] <xolotl> mib_6tc2e2: Well, so set up the firewall on the remote machine. :)
#2703 [23:08] <mib_6tc2e2> yeah
#2704 [23:08] <mib_6tc2e2> ill look into that
#2705 [23:08] <xolotl> I agree that it's hardly ideal
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#2707 [23:08] <mib_6tc2e2> yeha
#2708 [23:09] <mib_6tc2e2> i dont think anyone will join whos not already been there
#2709 [23:09] <mib_6tc2e2> im just concerned about it
#2710 [23:09] <mib_6tc2e2> paranoid i guess
#2711 [23:09] <Kealper> classic has scarred you for life? lol
#2712 [23:10] <xolotl> mib_6tc2e2: So long as you and your users aren't handing out the IP, having strangers join is quite rare (in my experience, anyway)
#2713 [23:10] <mib_6tc2e2> hah, i never admin'd classic, i knew better :D
#2714 [23:10] <Kealper> lol
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#2716 [23:10] <mib_6tc2e2> yeah i guess i could just set it up right
#2717 [23:10] <xolotl> (In fact I don't think I ever had it happen in like three months)
#2718 [23:10] <Kealper> speaking from first hand experience: don't
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#2722 [23:20] <ServerNewb> Hey guys
#2723 [23:20] <Kealper> ello
#2724 [23:20] <ServerNewb> Sorry to bother, although I know this is the HELP irc, but eh, I have a server question.
#2725 [23:20] <GreyVulpine> Shoot
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#2727 [23:21] <ServerNewb> I have setup a LAN on my computer by connecting me and my girlfriends' computer together via network cord.
#2728 [23:21] <XaoMoaX> Hi. Any idea when changing skins will be put back in?
#2729 [23:21] <ServerNewb> Setup with Minecraft_Server, it loads up fine, I can connect, but once SHE connects, it boots me.
#2730 [23:21] <Kealper> XaoMoaX: as soon as everything is migrated to the new servers
#2731 [23:21] <Kealper> should not be too much longer
#2732 [23:22] <Drule> what do you mine diamond with?
#2733 [23:22] <Kealper> iron or diamond pickaxes
#2734 [23:22] <ServerNewb> Iron I believe
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#2736 [23:22] <XaoMoaX> ah, kk thanks. Just bought the beta two nights ago, love it so far. Just learned how to change skins tonight.
#2737 [23:23] <XaoMoaX> Although I do wish wool could be crafted into string
#2738 [23:23] <ServerNewb> But yeah, that's my issue.
#2739 [23:23] <Ripple> so, question: i bought a gift code tonight and have yet to receive a confirmation email or anything. how long should this take?
#2740 [23:23] <Kealper> could take up to a day
#2741 [23:23] <GreyVulpine> ServerNewb - Do you have online mode set to false?
#2742 [23:23] <ServerNewb> Yes :)
#2743 [23:24] <Kealper> OH
#2744 [23:24] <ServerNewb> Unless I wasn't supposed to do that, lol
#2745 [23:24] <Kealper> i know what's wrong
#2746 [23:24] <GreyVulpine> That forces everybody to connect with "player" right?
#2747 [23:24] <Kealper> no
#2748 [23:24] <ServerNewb> Believe so..
#2749 [23:24] <Kealper> they are both not logging in, so both of their names are Player, with the server in offline mode, it just allows that name to connect, and boots the first instance of that name to allow the second one on
#2750 [23:25] <xNetSand> I'm having an issue.
#2751 [23:25] <Ripple> should i be concerned if i fail to hear anything within a few days?
#2752 [23:25] <Kealper> Ripple: yeah, if you don't get anything after about a day or so, start to panic lol
#2753 [23:25] * GreyVulpine stabs Kealper.
#2753 [23:25] <Ripple> alright, thanks for the help
#2754 [23:25] <ServerNewb> So I'm going to have to turn it back on to online?
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#2756 [23:26] <Kealper> ServerNewb: not really, just log in with your accounts on the minecraft client before connecting to the server
#2757 [23:26] <ServerNewb> That's what we do though..
#2758 [23:27] <ServerNewb> I log onto mine, she onto hers
#2759 [23:27] <Kealper> are you both logging in to the same account?
#2760 [23:27] <ServerNewb> I even added the both of us to the op.text
#2761 [23:27] <GreyVulpine> Wait.. how? You're using a crossover cable to connect directly
#2762 [23:27] <Kealper> wut
#2763 [23:27] <ServerNewb> Nope, we have our own individual logins
#2764 [23:27] <GreyVulpine> <ServerNewb> I have setup a LAN on my computer by connecting me and my girlfriends' computer together via network cord.
#2765 [23:27] <Kealper> are you both failing to log in and pressing play in offline mode?
#2766 [23:27] <xNetSand> Did you bridge connection?
#2767 [23:28] <ServerNewb> We both launch in offline mode, on our own login names, go to multiplayer, but in the ip, and if one is on before the other, it boots whoever is live first
#2768 [23:28] <Kealper> that's why
#2769 [23:28] <ServerNewb> put*
#2770 [23:28] <Kealper> offline mode
#2771 [23:28] <ServerNewb> Right-o, lemme test it.
#2772 [23:28] <Kealper> it makes your multiplayer name "Player" when you run in offline mode :/
#2773 [23:29] <xNetSand> I'm having a Java Exception error problem. It started yesterday after the 1.2_02 patch. It happens when I connect to a 2 servers my friends have. They can connect to the servers just fine; however, I get kicked. When they join my server they get kicked. I can join another friend's server just fine, however his connection is not fit to host a server.
#2774 [23:29] <GreyVulpine> xNetSand - Can you pastebin.com the error log
#2775 [23:29] <xNetSand> I'll check it out.
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#2777 [23:30] <ServerNewb> Is eh, me being connected to the internet right now going to cause an issue..?
#2778 [23:30] <ServerNewb> Because now she's getting a Java error, and she can't log on at all
#2779 [23:31] <GreyVulpine> What java error?
#2780 [23:31] <ServerNewb> Internal client error: java.net.UnknownHostException: www.minecraft.net
#2781 [23:31] <xNetSand> Disconnected by peer
#2782 [23:31] <GreyVulpine> unknown host?
#2783 [23:31] <GreyVulpine> what happens when she pings minecraft.net ?
#2784 [23:32] <ServerNewb> She's offline unfortunately, we only have one air card, lol
#2785 [23:32] <ServerNewb> We're out in the boonies
#2786 [23:32] <GreyVulpine> You kinda need to be online to log in
#2787 [23:32] <ServerNewb> Well I'm trying to do an offline LAN
#2788 [23:33] <GreyVulpine> That's not possible right now
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#2790 [23:33] <ServerNewb> Ahh..
#2791 [23:33] <ServerNewb> Well fantastic then..
#2792 [23:34] <Kealper> weird....aubot's modules just crashed all at once
#2793 [23:34] <Kealper> well, closed...not sure what caused that
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#2795 [23:34] <ServerNewb> So completely impossible? Have to login in order to do anything with a server?
#2796 [23:35] <GreyVulpine> At the moment yes
#2797 [23:35] <Kealper> yup :/
#2798 [23:35] <Drule> god fucking DAMN IT
#2799 [23:35] <ServerNewb> Alright then, thanks for your help guys, sorry :/
#2800 [23:35] <Drule> all of my fucking blocks keep re-appearing
#2801 [23:35] <Drule> in smp
#2802 [23:35] <GreyVulpine> Move away from spawn?
#2803 [23:36] <Drule> im not even close to spawn
#2804 [23:36] <Drule> its just glitching the hell out
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#2806 [23:38] <xNetSand> java.net.SocketException: Connection reset by peer: socket write error is what i was getting
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#2808 [23:42] <Lorax> under what conditions does redstone torches or powder "pop off" blocks?
#2809 [23:42] <GreyVulpine> What do you mean?
#2810 [23:42] <GreyVulpine> When they're hit
#2811 [23:43] <xNetSand> I've reinstalled Minecraft, Java, adjusted settings for my network card that I found in other posts , switched network cards, disabled one that wasn't in use, tried the alternate build and launching through browser. Works on my laptop, but is laggy.
#2812 [23:43] <GreyVulpine> What network card were you using?
#2813 [23:43] <GreyVulpine> Please don't say atheros
#2814 [23:43] <xNetSand> Marvell Yukon
#2815 [23:43] <GreyVulpine> Huh, okay..
#2816 [23:43] <xNetSand> I got new drivers for it too
#2817 [23:44] <Lorax> GreyVulpine: I have a fairly large delay circuit, and torches / dust seem to pop off when it's used, sometimes. I'm not close enough to affect the blocks in question either.
#2818 [23:44] <Lorax> it is a PITA trying to find where the break is too. :)
#2819 [23:46] <xNetSand> I was using Nvidia nForce 10/100/1000mbps Ethernet, its been working for the past month or so. Then I switched to my Marvell Yukon 88E8056 PCI-E after I started having this problem
#2820 [23:46] <xNetSand> Neither work
#2821 [23:48] <wesmagyar> my problem as of late is if i host my server on the machine i play on even when playing solo it pegs my cpu usage like crazy and i cant figure out why
#2822 [23:48] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, have you checked your network card's properties, see if there's a receieve/transmite buffer setting you can tweak?
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#2824 [23:49] <xNetSand> Yeah, there was. That was the issue people were having with the Atheros right? I switched it from 256 to 512 it didn't work.
#2825 [23:49] * GreyVulpine nods
#2825 [23:49] <wesmagyar> and i should have more then enough cpu to spare
#2826 [23:49] <wesmagyar> and god forbid someone else connects
#2827 [23:49] <GreyVulpine> wesmagyar - RAM?
#2828 [23:49] <wesmagyar> i have 8 gigs
#2829 [23:50] <wesmagyar> quadcore 3.2 ghz processor
#2830 [23:51] <wesmagyar> right now im only one on the server and my cpu is sitting at about 80% used and minecraft and the server are the only things really running
#2831 [23:51] <xNetSand> what operating system are you on?
#2832 [23:52] <wesmagyar> windows 7 ultimate X64
#2833 [23:52] <wesmagyar> it only does this with SMP
#2834 [23:53] <wesmagyar> while multiplayer in general i havnt tried creative
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#2836 [23:58] <wesmagyar> could one of you guys connect to my server real quick and see if it pegs my cpu if im not the one connecting to it?
#2837 [23:58] <xNetSand> sure
#2838 [23:58] <xNetSand> pm me
#2839 [23:58] <Kealper> wesmagyar: fine now
#2840 [23:58] <Kealper> join it?
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#2842 [23:59] <wesmagyar> thanks kealper