#MinecraftHelp > 2011-01-28
#1 [00:00] <Quetzen> !reinstall
#2 [00:00] <xales> EmpiresBane: If it is a NullPointerException with getting properties, that is normal
#3 [00:00] <xales> there should be more in the crash report than that
#4 [00:01] <EmpiresBane> theres is some LWGL stuff that you always see
#5 [00:01] <EmpiresBane> just a sec
#6 [00:01] <EmpiresBane> re-creating it
#7 [00:01] <EmpiresBane> [failed to get system properties (java.lang.NullPointerException)]
#8 [00:01] <EmpiresBane> java.lang.IllegalStateException: Only one LWJGL context may be instantiated at any one time.
#9 [00:03] <Kealper> kill all instances of javaw or restart
#10 [00:07] <Quetzen> now it says user not premium Play online once to enable offline
#11 [00:07] <Quetzen> What's that now?
#12 [00:08] <xales> Quetzen: It means the account he is trying to log in with isn't marked premium
#13 [00:08] <xales> Kealper: 00:07:33 <VoteSlave> Error fetching premium status for notch: Operation timed out after 5000 milliseconds with 0 bytes received
#14 [00:08] <xales> ._.
#15 [00:08] <Kealper> O.o
#16 [00:08] <Kealper> weird
#17 [00:09] <xales> Kealper: Odd enough, I just changed it to www. and it works fine
#18 [00:09] <xales> ._.
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#20 [00:09] <Kealper> mollstam!
#21 [00:09] <Kealper> lol
#22 [00:09] <xales> .haspaid Kealper
#23 [00:09] <VoteSlave> Kealper has paid for Minecraft!
#24 [00:09] <xales> .part #minecrafthelp
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#26 [00:09] <Kealper> weird
#27 [00:09] <Quetzen> So what must he do?
#28 [00:09] <xales> Quetzen: What username is he using?
#29 [00:10] <Kealper> did he actually buy the game?
#30 [00:10] <xales> Kealper: lolwut. 00:09:34 -AuBot(Bot@c-67-177-131-104.hsd1.mi.comcast.net)- AuBot Internal Error [Code 0x02] | User not found in Autorized Users section of the database.
#31 [00:10] <Kealper> lul
#32 [00:10] <Kealper> .part #minecrafthelp
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#35 [00:11] <xales> .part #minecrafthelp
#36 [00:11] <xales> .oic
#37 [00:11] <xales> .kick Kealper
#38 [00:11] <xales> :P
#39 [00:11] <Kealper> lol
#40 [00:12] <Quetzen> Aaaahhhh, now it makes sense. He downloaded it elsewhere to play it... ._. I fel stupid now.
#41 [00:12] <Kealper> pirat!
#42 [00:12] <EmpiresBane> imma restart now
#43 [00:12] <EmpiresBane> brb
#44 [00:12] <Clarrisani> Naughty, naughty.
#45 [00:12] <Kealper> (oh joy, i cna speak swedish!)
#46 [00:12] <Kealper> can*
#47 [00:13] <Robo-Knight> I sent an e-mail to Dan, how long will it take for him to respond?
#48 [00:13] <xales> Robo-Knight: Hopefully not more than a day or so. You should play the download version in the future, it allows you to play offline after logging in once
#49 [00:14] <Quetzen> Ehhh... Oh well. At least I made him uninstall and dispose of his pirate thing. Haha!
#50 [00:14] <Robo-Knight> ah...
#51 [00:15] <Robo-Knight> I never downloaded the offline version -_-;
#52 [00:15] <xales> Robo-Knight: You could try it, I'm not sure if it will work, but it might
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#54 [00:17] <EmpiresBane> damn... no effect
#55 [00:17] <Quetzen> Same. Thanks for the help anyhow!
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#57 [00:19] <EmpiresBane> this annoys me...
#58 [00:19] <nipper> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/networking/the-internet-goes-dark-in-egypt/613
#59 [00:28] <SinZ> !evil
#60 [00:28] <GreyBot> If I ever became an evil overlord, number 181. I will decree that all hay be shipped in tightly-packed bales. Any wagonload of loose hay attempting to pass through a checkpoint will be set on fire.
#61 [00:29] <SinZ> gotta have the evil of the day =P
#62 [00:29] <xales> !good
#63 [00:29] <xales> !chuck
#64 [00:29] <GreyBot> According to the Encyclopedia Brittanica, the Native American "Trail of Tears" has been redefined as anywhere that Chuck Norris walks.
#65 [00:29] <GreyVulpine> Good will never triumph
#66 [00:29] <GreyVulpine> Evil always succeeds
#67 [00:29] <xales> !no
#68 [00:30] <SinZ> !college
#69 [00:30] <GreyBot> What I've learned in college, number 59. People still cheat, it's just more technologically advanced.
#70 [00:31] <xales> !greyvulpine
#71 [00:31] <GreyVulpine> Yes?
#72 [00:31] <xales> That command should list quotes you have said
#73 [00:31] <xales> :)
#74 [00:31] <GreyVulpine> !fart xales
#75 [00:31] * GreyBot farts in xales's general direction. A green cloud envelops xales.
#75 [00:32] <xales> ._.
#76 [00:32] <xales> also http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=157519
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#79 [00:37] <exp0> I think Minecraft server hates Win7 home
#80 [00:37] <xales> why?
#81 [00:37] <GreyVulpine> No it doesn't
#82 [00:37] <exp0> it has the same malformed input at byte error
#83 [00:37] <GreyVulpine> You're running an old version of the server
#84 [00:37] <exp0> wrong
#85 [00:38] <GreyVulpine> Oh?
#86 [00:38] <exp0> 1.2_01 is the latest and works with the 1.2)2 client
#87 [00:38] <exp0> I have win server 08 dualboot and the same exact files work fine.
#88 [00:38] <GreyVulpine> I apologize, that message usually stems from people not updating their server
#89 [00:39] <GreyVulpine> But there's nothing inherent about win7 home that blocks minecraft from running
#90 [00:39] <exp0> I know, but I have to explain to everyone that I already took the obvious steps to fix the issue myself to no avail. I spent 3 days just searching for fixes.
#91 [00:40] <GreyVulpine> Complete fresh install of server?
#92 [00:40] <GreyVulpine> No mods?
#93 [00:40] <exp0> Yup
#94 [00:40] <GreyVulpine> Just vanilla?
#95 [00:40] <exp0> 1.2_01 from the site.
#96 [00:40] <GreyVulpine> And client?
#97 [00:41] <exp0> yup
#98 [00:41] <GreyVulpine> Modded in any way?
#99 [00:41] <exp0> no mods period
#100 [00:41] <exp0> I havent jumped into that because I can't even get multiplayer to work
#101 [00:42] <exp0> I even ran a VM with Mine OS and I could still connect. My Win7 install is the only thing giving me an issue.
#102 [00:42] <aetherian> finally done with my science
#103 [00:42] <aetherian> jeez, that was har
#104 [00:43] <aetherian> d
#105 [00:43] <GreyVulpine> exp0 - Then firewall/security issue?
#106 [00:43] <exp0> nope
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#108 [00:44] <GreyVulpine> NIC drivers?
#109 [00:44] <exp0> Not an issue.
#110 [00:44] <GreyVulpine> You checked?
#111 [00:44] <exp0> Yup
#112 [00:44] <Armalitex> `hgggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggQ]=NY[A,\
#113 [00:44] <exp0> the same drivers work with win7 and win server 08
#114 [00:45] <GreyVulpine> Did you check for updated drivers for your NIC?
#115 [00:45] <exp0> yup
#116 [00:45] <exp0> the computer is a month old.
#117 [00:45] <exp0> no new drivers, does a check weekly.
#118 [00:46] <aetherian> gotta reboot
#119 [00:47] <GreyVulpine> exp0 - You completely wiped the directory in which you have your minecraft server, as well as your .minecraft client folder, redownloaded everything fresh, and it still doesn't work?
#120 [00:47] <exp0> Yes, 7 times.
#121 [00:47] <GreyVulpine> Can you connect to other servers with your win7 machine?
#122 [00:47] <exp0> yes
#123 [00:47] <exp0> that is the odd part
#124 [00:47] <GreyVulpine> Just not on the same machine
#125 [00:48] <exp0> well, sometimes the same error occurs when connecting to other servers
#126 [00:48] <GreyVulpine> Hmm...
#127 [00:48] <exp0> but for the most part, it only happens when I am running win7 home.
#128 [00:48] <exp0> which leads me to believe it is an issue with home.
#129 [00:49] <GreyVulpine> I know I've helped set up several win7 installs of minecraft server without issue..
#130 [00:50] <exp0> I just want to know what causes the malformed input so I can pinpoint what exactly is going on inside the connection.
#131 [00:51] <GreyVulpine> Around here, it's usually caused by a mismatched client/server netcode.
#132 [00:51] <xales> exp0: Generally a protocol mismatch or something mangling packets
#133 [00:51] <GreyVulpine> A few are randomly caused by other factors, but those are due to random happenchance, or through the result of mods
#134 [00:51] <exp0> the 1.2_02 client does connect to 1.2_01 servers, so it rules that out.
#135 [00:51] <GreyVulpine> Yes
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#138 [00:52] <exp0> the exact same exes were used when I was running it in server 08 copy pasted them from partition to partition.
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#140 [00:53] <xales> exp0: Try redownloading it, and running the exe from a new directory
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#142 [00:55] <exp0> crashed
#143 [00:55] <exp0> java.lang.NullPointerException
#144 [00:56] <xales> the server did that?
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#149 [00:58] <aetherian> eurgh
#150 [00:59] <aetherian> xchat has a end time for windows >.>
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#152 [00:59] <aetherian> now I'm on an irc client that makes notepad look like crysis
#153 [01:00] <exp0> I made my computer angry
#154 [01:00] <xales> It doesn't even respond to versions, lol
#155 [01:00] <aetherian> wha?
#156 [01:00] <xales> it should have responded with the client name/version number
#157 [01:00] <xales> what client is it? :P
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#159 [01:00] <Depiction> Hi
#160 [01:00] <exp0> anyone respond to me after I said the nullpointer error?
#161 [01:00] <aetherian> uhh, a fifth party irc client included in a pack of tools
#162 [01:01] <xales> exp0: Yup
#163 [01:01] <aetherian> it doesn't even seem to have /me
#164 [01:01] <xales> 00:56:30 <@xales> the server did that?
#165 [01:01] <xales> aetherian: fail.
#166 [01:01] <aetherian> lol
#167 [01:01] <aetherian> it works though
#168 [01:01] <aetherian> until I find a better one
#169 [01:01] <xales> aetherian: even something like Trillian or Pidgin would be better than that
#170 [01:01] <aetherian> got any suggestions for windows?
#171 [01:01] <xales> PuTTY
#172 [01:02] <aetherian> never heard of it
#173 [01:02] <xales> I know why
#174 [01:02] <aetherian> hmm
#175 [01:02] <aetherian> in all seriousness though
#176 [01:02] <xales> I am being fully serious
#177 [01:02] <xales> I use PuTTY to connect to IRC when I happen to be using Windows
#178 [01:03] <aetherian> brb
#179 [01:03] <Depiction> So, i got myu own server, Debian server, but i am not able to start the .jar file
#180 [01:03] <xales> Depiction: Do you get an error?
#181 [01:04] <Depiction> YEs, i use
#182 [01:04] <Depiction> nodomain:~# /etc/init.d/minecraft start
#183 [01:04] <Depiction> To start it
#184 [01:04] <xales> and is there an error?
#185 [01:04] <Depiction> -bash: /etc/init.d/minecraft: /bin/bash^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
#186 [01:04] <Depiction> Yes, that one ^
#187 [01:04] <exp0> Did you download it?
#188 [01:05] <Depiction> No, i copied the text from the wiki, and putted it into notepad
#189 [01:05] <xales> Depiction: You need to not put files you edited on Windows with bad/Microsoft programs
#190 [01:05] <xales> that is the problem
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#192 [01:05] <xales> edit it with Notepad++ or on the server
#193 [01:06] <exp0> notepad normally doesn;t add whitespaces.
#194 [01:06] <xales> that isn't a whitespace
#195 [01:06] <xales> its because Microsoft incorrectly uses \r\n
#196 [01:07] <Depiction> Ah
#197 [01:08] <exp0> havent had that issue with Notepad, only Wordpad.
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#199 [01:08] <xales> exp0: Notepad uses \r\n for linebreaks
#200 [01:10] <Depiction> I just uploaded the new file, made with notepad++
#201 [01:10] <Depiction> STil got the same error
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#204 [01:11] <xales> Depiction: Did you copy and paste it?
#205 [01:12] <dopeghoti> Depiction: remember the command I had you run earlier
#206 [01:12] <dopeghoti> sed -i 's/^V^M/\n/' /etc/init.d/minecraft (remember to press ctrl-V then ctrl-M, not to type the carets)
#207 [01:12] <Depiction> Yes dopeghoti, i used that command like 7 times everytime
#208 [01:12] <dopeghoti> that will fix the file for you
#209 [01:13] <Depiction> Deosn't seem to work
#210 [01:13] <xales> Depiction: you ran the file as root, right?
#211 [01:13] <xales> command*
#212 [01:13] <Depiction> Ehh, actually i didn't
#213 [01:14] <Depiction> No wait, i was logged in as root, if you mean that
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#215 [01:15] <xales> Depiction: you are trying to use this (http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Server_startup_script), correct?
#216 [01:15] <Depiction> Yes indeed
#217 [01:16] <aetherian> xales, that thing is too complex for me >.>
#218 [01:16] <xales> Depiction: One sec
#219 [01:17] <xales> Depiction: Run this command, as root
#220 [01:18] <xales> wget -o /etc/init.d/minecraft http://public:0000@darksigns.net/xales/minecraft-initscript.sj
#221 [01:18] <xales> wget -o /etc/init.d/minecraft http://public:0000@darksigns.net/xales/minecraft-initscript.sh
#222 [01:18] <xales> rather
#223 [01:18] <xales> second one
#224 [01:18] <xales> mistyped the last character =/
#225 [01:19] * xales will brb: Getting cookies
#225 [01:20] <genshou> oooh, bring a cookie for me :3
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#227 [01:21] <Depiction> Ah wow, he now gives not the same error again :D
#228 [01:21] <Depiction> Now he says;
#229 [01:22] <Depiction> http://pastebin.com/v4Ug2SAp
#230 [01:22] <Depiction> When i try to run it
#231 [01:23] <xales> oh...that would be my fault >.>
#232 [01:23] <xales> one second
#233 [01:24] <Depiction> Ok
#234 [01:25] <xales> ok, run that command again (the wget)
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#236 [01:26] <Depiction> I did, now the error is the same
#237 [01:27] <xales> The invalid interpreter one?
#238 [01:27] <Depiction> Yes
#239 [01:27] <Depiction> From the link i just said
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#242 [01:28] <xales> Not the /etc/init.d/minecraft: line 2: Resolving: command not found
#243 [01:28] <xales> ?
#244 [01:28] <Depiction> No, the error is still exactly the same
#245 [01:29] <xales> try rm -f /etc/init.d/minecraft
#246 [01:29] <xales> then running the wget again
#247 [01:30] <Depiction> nodomain:~# /etc/init.d/minecraft start -bash: /etc/init.d/minecraft: Permission denied
#248 [01:30] <Depiction> It is indeed not the same error again :p
#249 [01:30] <xales> chmod u+x /etc/init.d/minecraft
#250 [01:32] <Depiction> Now we get the http://pastebin.com/v4Ug2SAp error again
#251 [01:33] <xales> ok, try it once more
#252 [01:34] <Depiction> The wget?
#253 [01:34] <xales> yes
#254 [01:34] <Depiction> Same error
#255 [01:35] <aetherian> it seems to me that linux is kind ahard to use :#
#256 [01:35] <xales> aetherian: lolno
#257 [01:36] <aetherian> you use arch, aye?
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#259 [01:37] <aetherian> hey slashcko
#260 [01:37] <Slashcko> hi
#261 [01:38] <Slashcko> been having a problem when I maximize the window
#262 [01:38] <Slashcko> thought i'd ask here
#263 [01:38] <Slashcko> causes my framerate to drop
#264 [01:39] <xales> Maximize, or fullscreen?
#265 [01:39] <Slashcko> maximizing, also on resizing
#266 [01:39] <Slashcko> even slightly causes it to crash
#267 [01:39] <xales> What are the specs of your computer?
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#270 [01:40] <aetherian> yay, new client
#271 [01:40] <Slashcko> anything specific you need to know?
#272 [01:40] <xales> Slashcko: GPU, RAM
#273 [01:40] <aetherian> also looks pretty [/sarcasm]
#274 [01:40] <xales> rofl
#275 [01:40] <xales> cygwin irssi
#276 [01:40] <aetherian> :D
#277 [01:41] <Slashcko> hold on, gotta check
#278 [01:41] <xales> outdated also
#279 [01:41] <xales> cygwin irssi = teh suck
#280 [01:41] <aetherian> xales: yeah probs
#281 [01:41] <aetherian> but I don't know of any other things, really
#282 [01:41] <aetherian> (NOT mIRC)
#283 [01:42] <aetherian> so yeah
#284 [01:42] <xales> netcat
#285 [01:42] <xales> :)
#286 [01:42] <aetherian> nobody can make good internet cats
#287 [01:42] <aetherian> fact
#288 [01:43] <xales> and because I knew you wouldn't know
#289 [01:43] <xales> http://linux.die.net/man/1/nc
#290 [01:43] <aetherian> [#minecrafthelp]
#291 [01:43] <aetherian> ?
#292 [01:43] <xales> what?
#293 [01:43] <aetherian> wait, what just happened o_O
#294 [01:43] <xales> also default irssi looks like shit, probably even more so in cygwin
#295 [01:43] <Slashcko> alright 4GB RAM and GeForce 9600 GT
#296 [01:43] <xales> 01:43:04 < aetherian> [#minecrafthelp]
#297 [01:44] <xales> 01:43:24 < aetherian> ?
#298 [01:44] <xales> Slashcko: What OS?
#299 [01:44] <aetherian> that just sorta happened
#300 [01:44] <aetherian> idk why
#301 [01:44] <aetherian> but isn't netcat unix?
#302 [01:44] <Slashcko> Windows 7 Ultimate
#303 [01:44] <xales> aetherian: Linux != Unix
#304 [01:44] <xales> Slashcko: What other programs do you have running?
#305 [01:44] <aetherian> yes, but I have windows either way
#306 [01:44] <aetherian> :3
#307 [01:44] <xales> aetherian: Not hard to change that
#308 [01:45] <Slashcko> just firefox
#309 [01:45] <aetherian> xales: I wouldn't have sufficient permissions (within my household)
#310 [01:45] <xales> rofl, aetherian
#311 [01:45] <xales> Slashcko: no 'antivirus' or 'security' programs?
#312 [01:45] <aetherian> anyone know any good windows irc clients?
#313 [01:46] <xales> aetherian: PChat
#314 [01:46] <Slashcko> yeah, Avira
#315 [01:47] * aetherian is testing something
#315 [01:47] <aetherian> yay
#316 [01:47] <aetherian> this has /me
#317 [01:48] <xales> Slashcko: are you using the latest graphics drivers?
#318 [01:48] <xales> aetherian: http://public:0000@darksigns.net/xales/old/fluxbox-screen.jpeg <--- sexy linux
#319 [01:49] <Slashcko> Im not entirely sure, this is a back up PC, let me check
#320 [01:49] <aetherian> remember
#321 [01:49] <aetherian> internet exploder can't open those things
#322 [01:49] <xales> aetherian: Don't use exploder then
#323 [01:49] <aetherian> it's okay
#324 [01:49] <aetherian> I got it to open
#325 [01:49] <aetherian> by putting in the username and pass
#326 [01:50] <aetherian> :)
#327 [01:50] <aetherian> and that looks ugly
#328 [01:50] <aetherian> a face only a xales could love
#329 [01:51] <xales> ...
#330 [01:51] <aetherian> oh sorry
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#332 [01:51] <aetherian> is that your linux?
#333 [01:52] <xales> no, thats very old
#334 [01:52] <xales> :P
#335 [01:52] <aetherian> so uh
#336 [01:52] <aetherian> what's sexy about it
#337 [01:52] <xales> ...
#338 [01:52] <xales> compare it to Windows
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#340 [01:53] <aetherian> xales: I prefer screens I can see, thank you
#341 [01:53] <aetherian> I would prefer w7 to that
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#343 [01:55] <xales> aetherian: 'that I can see' ..?
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#345 [01:55] <aetherian> too see through, if ya ask me
#346 [01:55] <aetherian> too...dark
#347 [01:56] <mib_cil4nq> Hey, question... bought a gift code for a friend, he's on a Mac, and he just made an account and downloaded it, but the game won't open for him... advice?
#348 [01:56] <dopeghoti> mib_cil4nq: what happens when he tries?
#349 [01:56] <mib_cil4nq> It won't open
#350 [01:56] <xales> Define 'it won't open'
#351 [01:56] <mib_cil4nq> Click on it and nothing happens
#352 [01:56] <xales> also, why are you here getting help for your friend? Have him come on and ask =/
#353 [01:57] <dopeghoti> Have him try double-clicking.
#354 [01:57] <mib_cil4nq> lol because I am nice? It's my bf, got it for him for his birthday... wait... he might've figured it out...
#355 [01:57] <mib_cil4nq> LOL he got it. Thanks anyways everyone x2
#356 [01:57] <mib_cil4nq> *x3
#357 [01:58] <dopeghoti> cheers, and happy crafting!
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#359 [01:58] <mib_cil4nq> I think I might've spoke preemptively... haha I will wait a bit and see, get him to screenshare with me or something
#360 [01:59] <mib_cil4nq> Yeap, got it. Thanks all! *waves*
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#362 [02:00] <aetherian> omigod
#363 [02:00] <aetherian> AVG pops up with some sort of "Threat was blocked!!2211!@@1" spam
#364 [02:00] <aetherian> so I ask it to show details
#365 [02:01] <aetherian> and it was coming from ccSvchst.exe, the norton thing >.>
#366 [02:01] <aetherian> isn't it bad enough already I have to have norton ;_;
#367 [02:01] <AndrewPH> Don't have 2 antiviruses running at a time, they can interfere with eachother :1
#368 [02:01] <dopeghoti> don't run two antivirus programs; they'll fight.
#369 [02:01] <AndrewPH> <-- pro ninja
#370 [02:01] <xales> Don't run Norton at all
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#372 [02:01] <xales> :)
#373 [02:01] <AndrewPH> Don't even look near norton
#374 [02:02] <dopeghoti> Aw, Norton Utilities 3.0 was pretty good.
#375 [02:02] <AndrewPH> nope
#376 [02:02] <xales> Norton is more of a virus than the stuff it removes
#377 [02:02] <AndrewPH> Norton* = plague
#378 [02:02] <xales> AndrewPH: Ye Olde Norton stuff was actually decent
#379 [02:02] <AndrewPH> To compare, alureon is a common cold
#380 [02:02] <xales> though there wasn't much competition
#381 [02:03] <AndrewPH> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alureon
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#383 [02:03] <aetherian> I need norton, sadly
#384 [02:03] <xales> I'm aware of what it is, aetherian
#385 [02:04] <xales> AndrewPH*
#386 [02:04] * aetherian goes to die in a hole
#386 [02:04] <dopeghoti> you really don't.
#387 [02:04] <xales> ^
#388 [02:04] <AndrewPH> xales, was posting it for people who didn't
#389 [02:04] <aetherian> dopeghoti: you don't understand, I actually do.
#390 [02:04] <xales> there is absolutely no reason you could need it, aetherian
#391 [02:04] <aetherian> yes there could be
#392 [02:04] <aetherian> trust me
#393 [02:04] <AndrewPH> I need it because my dad said so is not an excuse
#394 [02:04] <aetherian> how about
#395 [02:04] <xales> My parents didn't control anything computer-related since I turned like...8
#396 [02:04] <xales> tell them to fuck off
#397 [02:05] <dopeghoti> "nor is 'cause my mom said so'."
#398 [02:05] <aetherian> "I need it because my dad is paranoid about me going on any sort of 'bad' site, so he installs some parental control norton thing that is laughably easy to bypass but uses lots of networking power"
#399 [02:05] <aetherian> that one good enough?
#400 [02:05] <xales> aetherian: 'Dad, FUCK OFF'
#401 [02:05] <xales> dad: 'NOU'
#402 [02:06] <aetherian> lolno
#403 [02:06] <xales> aetherian: 'SEE I CAN BYPASS IT FUCKER'
#404 [02:06] <dopeghoti> that's not "you need to use it", that's "you are being forced to use it"
#405 [02:06] <AndrewPH> aetherian, tell your dad to fuck off like I told mine to years ago
#406 [02:06] <xales> dad: 'oic'
#407 [02:06] <dopeghoti> easily thwarted with a LiveCD
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#409 [02:06] <xales> dad: 'ok u can uninstall nao'
#410 [02:06] <AndrewPH> >install linux
#411 [02:06] <AndrewPH> >problem solved
#412 [02:06] <AndrewPH> >no norton for linux
#413 [02:06] <xales> WINE+Norton = WINRAR
#414 [02:06] <aetherian> he'd find something else
#415 [02:06] <aetherian> this is already the second thing
#416 [02:06] <xales> aetherian: Such things don't exist
#417 [02:06] <AndrewPH> WINE+Norton = norton that can't do anythign and thus makes yoru dad feel good
#418 [02:06] <aetherian> no?
#419 [02:07] <xales> also, aetherian, don't tell him about it
#420 [02:07] <aetherian> what doesn't exist?
#421 [02:07] <aetherian> ofc not
#422 [02:07] <xales> aetherian: Norton-like for Linux
#423 [02:07] <aetherian> aetherian: then I doubt I'd be allowed to install it.
#424 [02:07] <aetherian> maaaybe if I got a good reason
#425 [02:07] <AndrewPH> say it's faster
#426 [02:07] <AndrewPH> way faster
#427 [02:07] <AndrewPH> and has no viruses
#428 [02:07] <AndrewPH> he'll believe it
#429 [02:07] <aetherian> oh, he knows that.
#430 [02:08] <AndrewPH> and has extreme parental controls built in
#431 [02:08] <aetherian> </lie>
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#433 [02:08] <xales> aetherian: Install it but don't tell him about it?
#434 [02:08] <xales> Use a boot floppy/CD/USB to boot grub to actually use it, don't install a bootloader
#435 [02:08] <aetherian> xales: and then when he needs to steal my computer /again/ to do something or another?
#436 [02:09] <xales> there is absolutely no way he would find it unless he looked
#437 [02:09] <aetherian> exactly
#438 [02:09] <xales> aetherian: um..dualbooting?
#439 [02:09] <aetherian> it doesn't matter, really
#440 [02:09] <AndrewPH> aetherian, break windows, hide linux
#441 [02:09] <AndrewPH> password bios
#442 [02:09] <AndrewPH> trollface
#443 [02:09] <xales> lol bios password
#444 [02:10] <aetherian> all I needed to bypass the thing was make a new user
#445 [02:10] <aetherian> lol
#446 [02:10] <dopeghoti> yeah, 'cause there's _no_ way around those.
#447 [02:10] <aetherian> admin privileges ftw
#448 [02:10] <AndrewPH> also lock your case
#449 [02:10] <xales> TrueCrypt volume-in-a-volume-in-a-volume-in-a-volume FOR THE WIN lulz
#450 [02:10] <AndrewPH> add a lock to it
#451 [02:10] <AndrewPH> literally a lock
#452 [02:10] <AndrewPH> and lock it
#453 [02:10] <xales> AndrewPH: still ways around this
#454 [02:10] <AndrewPH> solid steel lock
#455 [02:10] <xales> AndrewPH: herp derp EMP
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#457 [02:10] <aetherian> meh
#458 [02:10] <AndrewPH> xales, derp
#459 [02:10] <aetherian> lol
#460 [02:10] <AndrewPH> put a small amount of something conductive under the CPU
#461 [02:11] <Solvius> mornin :)
#462 [02:11] <AndrewPH> next time he steals it, boom
#463 [02:11] <xales> AndrewPH: Or just connect the PSU to the case
#464 [02:11] <aetherian> well, off to try to figure out what's wrong with installing python for the 9001 time
#465 [02:11] <xales> zzzzt. lol dad u got burnd
#466 [02:11] <xales> lol installing python
#467 [02:11] <AndrewPH> xales, or just take out the psu and hide it and move a cord from the hard drive to the power input
#468 [02:11] <xales> python is a language
#469 [02:11] <xales> you don't install languages
#470 [02:11] <xales> you don't install the internet
#471 [02:11] <AndrewPH> xales, I DO
#472 [02:12] <AndrewPH> you install languages and art forms and stuff in tha matrax
#473 [02:12] <xales> AndrewPH: You are special. It's OK. Special people like you can do whatever you want!
#474 [02:12] <xales> they&
#475 [02:12] <dopeghoti> xales: what would you call adding the software packages allowing you to use a programming language, if not installing?
#476 [02:12] <AndrewPH> even jump off the empire state building?!?!?!?1??!?!?!?!?!?/1/1!?!?1??!?!/1?!?!
#477 [02:12] <AndrewPH> dopeghoti, interpreters
#478 [02:12] <aetherian> wtv
#479 [02:12] <AndrewPH> Installing x interpreter
#480 [02:12] <AndrewPH> uninstalling y interpreter
#481 [02:12] <dopeghoti> and the interpreters interpret what if not a programming language?
#482 [02:13] <dopeghoti> (or scripting language if you want to be pedantic)
#483 [02:13] <xales> dopeghoti: I could not have Python installed but have a program that has python scripting
#484 [02:13] <xales> :)
#485 [02:13] * aetherian slaps xales
#485 [02:14] <aetherian> quit being such a nitpicker
#486 [02:14] <aetherian> nit never did anything to you
#487 [02:14] <dopeghoti> xales: yes, but that program would be difficult to run without the support packages $alternativewordforinstalledgoeshere
#488 [02:17] <aetherian> still trying to get pchat to install =\
#489 [02:17] <aetherian> with the python plugin thing
#490 [02:18] <aetherian> !ping
#491 [02:18] <GreyBot> aetherian Your Ping time was 2.563 Seconds.
#492 [02:18] <aetherian> o_O
#493 [02:18] <aetherian> my innernets T_T
#494 [02:19] <aetherian> oh screw you python
#495 [02:19] <AndrewPH> aetherian, make your own irc client in python
#496 [02:19] <AndrewPH> goooo
#497 [02:19] <AndrewPH> !ping
#498 [02:19] <GreyBot> AndrewPH Your Ping time was 0.33 Seconds.
#499 [02:21] <aetherian> andrewph: not good enough yet
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#501 [02:21] <AndrewPH> !ping
#502 [02:21] <GreyBot> AndrewPH Your Ping time was 0.33 Seconds.
#503 [02:21] <aetherian> !ping
#504 [02:21] <GreyBot> aetherian Your Ping time was 0.34 Seconds.
#505 [02:21] <AndrewPH> Welp I'm on a bnc so I can't really improve it
#506 [02:22] <aetherian> that other thing was slooooow
#507 [02:22] <dopeghoti> You're on a british naval connector?
#508 [02:22] <AndrewPH> dopeghoti, yep
#509 [02:22] <xales> aetherian: irssi delays ping responses to prevent spam
#510 [02:22] <xales> :P
#511 [02:22] <feenyx> !ping
#512 [02:22] <aetherian> aw man, this thing doesn't have the best feature of xchat
#513 [02:22] <GreyBot> feenyx Your Ping time was 2.874 Seconds.
#514 [02:22] <AndrewPH> !ping
#515 [02:22] <GreyBot> AndrewPH Your Ping time was 0.33 Seconds.
#516 [02:22] <feenyx> \o/
#517 [02:22] <aetherian> onvm
#518 [02:22] <aetherian> it does, just instead of X, _.
#519 [02:23] <dopeghoti> What feature would that be?
#520 [02:25] <fogwraith> What we doin' early in the morning? measuring e-penises with ping commands? ;P
#521 [02:25] <Shadow386> Freakin Minecraft how does it work
#522 [02:25] <dopeghoti> The smaller, the better!
#523 [02:25] <dopeghoti> Shadow386: magnets.
#524 [02:25] <Shadow386> !ping
#525 [02:25] <GreyBot> Shadow386 Your Ping time was 0.561 Seconds.
#526 [02:25] <aetherian> hiding it more betterly
#527 [02:26] <xales> !ping
#528 [02:26] <GreyBot> xales Your Ping time was 2.634 Seconds.
#529 [02:26] <Shadow386> lol
#530 [02:27] <dopeghoti> sigh.. I'll bite
#531 [02:27] <dopeghoti> !ping
#532 [02:27] <GreyBot> dopeghoti Your Ping time was 4.026 Seconds.
#533 [02:27] <aetherian> lol
#534 [02:28] <aetherian> fail
#535 [02:28] <aetherian> !ping
#536 [02:28] <GreyBot> aetherian Your Ping time was 0.351 Seconds.
#537 [02:28] <xales> having an abusable client = be proud
#538 [02:28] <dopeghoti> not my fail
#539 [02:28] <dopeghoti> 00:28 [esper] CTCP PING reply from NickServ: 0.287 seconds
#540 [02:28] <aetherian> lol
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#543 [02:40] <AndrewPH> !ping
#544 [02:40] <GreyBot> AndrewPH Your Ping time was 0.32 Seconds.
#545 [02:40] <AndrewPH> WOO .01 SECONDS FASTER
#546 [02:40] <AndrewPH> SUCK IT NERDS
#547 [02:40] <AndrewPH> I am supreme!
#548 [02:40] <AndrewPH> like a chalupa!
#549 [02:40] <AndrewPH> off to bed I go!
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#551 [02:41] <aetherian> !ping
#552 [02:41] <GreyBot> aetherian Your Ping time was 0.611 Seconds.
#553 [02:42] <aetherian> WOO .3 slower
#554 [02:42] <Clarrisani> I'd hate to see mine.
#555 [02:42] <Clarrisani> !ping
#556 [02:42] <GreyBot> Clarrisani Your Ping time was 0.691 Seconds.
#557 [02:43] <Clarrisani> Word is the MC team are going to look at the server issues soon.
#558 [02:45] <dopeghoti> Clarrisani: which word would this be?
#559 [02:45] <dopeghoti> or, [citation needed]
#560 [02:46] <Clarrisani> Jakob Porser
#561 [02:46] <Clarrisani> The Multiplayer Classic servers have been offline for several hours.
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#563 [02:48] <dopeghoti> Ah. I'm not yet following all of the Mojang kids.
#564 [02:48] <xales> Jakob Porser?
#565 [02:48] * xales doesn't recognize that name. At all.
#565 [02:48] <ConMan8> JahKob
#566 [02:49] <ConMan8> Notch's best friend
#567 [02:49] <Armalitex> can i get some porting assistance?
#568 [02:49] <aetherian> uh oh
#569 [02:49] <Armalitex> vulpine helped me earlier today, i was setting up my server, i myself can get into the server but others cannot, and we have tried almost everything
#570 [02:50] <xales> oh, right
#571 [02:51] <Armalitex> i had the doubly-notted router
#572 [02:51] <xales> silly me
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#574 [02:51] <xales> Armalitex: If Grey couldn't fix it, I don't know what the issue could possibly be, except that it might be a bad router
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#576 [02:52] <Armalitex> would it work if i plugged the internet cable directly into my laptop from the walljack?
#577 [02:53] <xales> no, that would probably be bad
#578 [02:53] <xales> but if you plugged it directly into the first router, that might work better
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#584 [03:05] * aetherian is backa
#584 [03:06] <aetherian> :)
#585 [03:06] * feenyx is at work
#585 [03:07] <lemon-rev> if i try and ping somewhere and get a request timed out is that my end ?
#586 [03:07] <aetherian> lolwork
#587 [03:07] <aetherian> what client do ya use at work, some SSH thing?
#588 [03:07] <feenyx> lemon-rev: could be either end
#589 [03:07] <lemon-rev> hm
#590 [03:07] <feenyx> but since you're online, chances are it's their end
#591 [03:07] <lemon-rev> craptacular
#592 [03:07] <aetherian> craptap snap diddly yap
#593 [03:07] <lemon-rev> im trying to ping useast.battle.net <
#594 [03:10] <lemon-rev> Pinging useast.battle.net [63.240.202.139] with 32 bytes of data:
#595 [03:10] <lemon-rev> Request timed out.
#596 [03:10] <lemon-rev> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ :(
#597 [03:11] <aetherian> lolfail
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#599 [03:11] <lemon-rev> hm
#600 [03:11] <lemon-rev> suxs, i have allowd port forwarding but i dont belive i can port forward ip add'es
#601 [03:12] <lemon-rev> trying to work out wtf,
#602 [03:12] <lemon-rev> anyways
#603 [03:12] <lemon-rev> ill be back, goto cook dinner
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#605 [03:13] <NoDoubts1> why do 1-2 mobs ambush me when i leave my home every morning. how come the sun doesn't kill them?
#606 [03:16] <xales> sun only kills zombies and skeletons
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#608 [03:17] <Armalitex> water negates their burning
#609 [03:17] <aetherian> do slimes work yet?
#610 [03:18] <xales> no
#611 [03:19] <NoDoubts1> i usually get hit by spiders and the explode guys. is there any way to make them go away by morning. the ambush me and kill me every morning
#612 [03:19] <Armalitex> add a back entrance to your house =P
#613 [03:20] <xales> NoDoubts1: Nope. You could change the difficulty or build defenses
#614 [03:20] <xales> Easiest defense = light up the whole area around your house
#615 [03:20] <aetherian> nodoubts1: turn to peaceful for a sec
#616 [03:20] <aetherian> is easiest way
#617 [03:22] <aetherian> what's so hard about getting slimes to spawn?
#618 [03:23] * aetherian is genuinely asking
#618 [03:23] <xales> It didn't work initially and wasn't a priority to fix
#619 [03:23] <aetherian> ah
#620 [03:23] <aetherian> I think it should be fixed ;_;
#621 [03:25] <xales> You around, Kealper?
#622 [03:26] <aetherian> !lastse-
#623 [03:26] <aetherian> *cough*
#624 [03:26] <xales> aetherian: If I wanted a seen command, I would use it
#625 [03:26] <aetherian> right sure
#626 [03:26] <aetherian> mmhmm
#627 [03:26] <xales> besides, I am in more channels with Kealper than just this one
#628 [03:26] <xales> and he has talked recently
#629 [03:27] <aetherian> ah
#630 [03:27] <xales> 03:04:23 <+Kealper> moar location pings!
#631 [03:27] <xales> :P
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#634 [03:34] <aetherian_> location pings?
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#636 [03:44] <lemon-rev> ok back to where i was aty
#637 [03:44] <lemon-rev> at*
#638 [03:44] <lemon-rev> so how does one allow for say stupid battle.net to get though a dlink router
#639 [03:44] <xales> lemon-rev: It may just be blocking pings, many things do
#640 [03:45] <lemon-rev> hm,
#641 [03:45] <lemon-rev> ok
#642 [03:45] <lemon-rev> like if i get you to say ping uswest.battle.net <
#643 [03:45] <lemon-rev> maybe it is me, i just need out side source to tell me
#644 [03:46] <aetherian> you're trying to host it?
#645 [03:46] <lemon-rev> hm
#646 [03:47] <ConMan8> Slimes work
#647 [03:47] <lemon-rev> no , trying to connect to muli in diavlo
#648 [03:47] <xales> no, it doesn't respond to pings
#649 [03:47] <xales> ConMan8: Wrong
#650 [03:47] <lemon-rev> k ty
#651 [03:47] <ConMan8> xales: Are you sure?
#652 [03:47] <xales> ConMan8: Positive
#653 [03:47] * ConMan8 has a slime enclosure
#653 [03:47] <xales> Then you are using a mod
#654 [03:48] <ConMan8> no
#655 [03:48] <xales> Yes
#656 [03:48] <ConMan8> They're just really, really, really rare
#657 [03:48] <xales> When slimes were first added, they spawned at a very high rate. This caused Notch to limit slime spawning. However, it appears that he incorrectly calculated slime spawning, leading slimes to spawn only in strange locations. This eventually caused Notch to completely disable natural slime spawning
#658 [03:49] <aetherian> textblok
#659 [03:49] <ConMan8> copypasta from the wiki ftw..
#660 [03:49] <MrDodo> !paid Mr Dodo
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#662 [03:50] <MrDodo> !paid MrDodo
#663 [03:50] <aetherian> :D
#664 [03:50] <ConMan8> Notch confirmed in Coequest's livestream that slimes have been returned as of Beta 1.2_01, but are very rare.
#665 [03:50] <aetherian> :O
#666 [03:51] * aetherian needs to make a 128*128*32 room underground
#666 [03:51] <aetherian> lit up with torches, sparingly
#667 [03:51] <aetherian> won't take long
#668 [03:52] <aetherian> couple of wooden picks
#669 [03:52] <ConMan8> That's underground?
#670 [03:52] <aetherian> ?
#671 [03:52] <aetherian> whaddya mean?
#672 [03:53] <ConMan8> or did you switch y and z?
#673 [03:53] <aetherian> probs
#674 [03:53] <aetherian> 128*128 was a top down 2d
#675 [03:53] <aetherian> 32 tall
#676 [03:53] <aetherian> I don't remember much (or any) three dimensional geometry from the cartesian plane
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#679 [03:55] <mib_6q0fc9> hi
#680 [03:56] <xales> hello
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#683 [03:56] <aetherian> hi
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#686 [03:56] <mib_6q0fc9> k my name is fked up but ehm, can any of you do a !check on me in a sec?
#687 [03:57] <mib_6q0fc9> or just try to connect to my server?
#688 [03:57] <aetherian> lolmibbit
#689 [03:58] <mib_6q0fc9> Can you do that for me?
#690 [03:58] <aetherian> try !check
#691 [03:58] <aetherian> oh wait
#692 [03:58] <aetherian> is it done on a dedicated server/vps
#693 [03:58] <aetherian> or off yer home pc
#694 [03:59] <xales> mib_6q0fc9: you can do !check yourself
#695 [03:59] <mib_6q0fc9> oh
#696 [03:59] <mib_6q0fc9> k im brb
#697 [03:59] <aetherian> lol
#698 [04:01] <aetherian> we need a pastebin thing of /some/ commands for people who need help, like !check and such.
#699 [04:01] <aetherian> and what with all these things we need pastebins for
#700 [04:01] <aetherian> we need a pastebin for a list of other pastebins
#701 [04:02] <aetherian> =|
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#703 [04:02] <xales> ...what?
#704 [04:03] <aetherian> you know, a section in the topic so we don't tell people stuff like "use !check"
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#706 [04:03] <aetherian> ohey
#707 [04:03] <aetherian> one am
#708 [04:03] <gretchen> !check 77.248.121.227
#709 [04:03] <gretchen> !check 77.248.121.227:25565
#710 [04:04] <aetherian> !check
#711 [04:04] <gretchen> !check
#712 [04:04] <gretchen> !check 77.248.121.227:25565
#713 [04:04] <aetherian> one am, time to do my writing for the day
#714 [04:04] <aetherian> :D
#715 [04:04] <aetherian> gretch: just type !check
#716 [04:04] <aetherian> if
#717 [04:05] <aetherian> it is yer own pc
#718 [04:05] <gretchen> !check
#719 [04:05] <gretchen> argh
#720 [04:05] <aetherian> never said it would be right
#721 [04:05] <gretchen> so, what ip should i put at server-ip in server properties
#722 [04:05] <xales> None
#723 [04:05] <xales> server-ip=
#724 [04:05] <xales> needs to be blank
#725 [04:05] <BarryCarlyon> aetherian: !check is not in the topic to stop people spamming it.
#726 [04:06] <gretchen> but it never works like that
#727 [04:06] <xales> It needs to be blank.
#728 [04:06] <aetherian> barrecarlon: but we still tell people about it
#729 [04:06] <aetherian> I mean, I get not telling about certain...functionalities... of things like spambot
#730 [04:06] <aetherian> I mean greybot
#731 [04:06] <gretchen> !check
#732 [04:06] <BarryCarlyon> server-ip should be blank to stop the deamon binding to a specific IP, as since the box is not web facing IE Thru a router, it binds to the IP and then gets traffic on a different IP so fails over.
#733 [04:07] <BarryCarlyon> Server-ip blank allows the deamon to bind to all ips and thus work.
#734 [04:07] <gretchen> !check
#735 [04:07] <gretchen> and !check is scanning all my ports or what?
#736 [04:08] <aetherian> I think it scans 25565 defaultly
#737 [04:08] <gretchen> but what if i've set the por
#738 [04:08] <gretchen> !check 77.248.121.227:24444
#739 [04:08] <xales> gretchen: Make sure that server-ip line is blank, that ports are properly forwarded, and that firewalls are disabled
#740 [04:09] <BarryCarlyon> Also when you change the server.properties as you restarting the server?
#741 [04:09] <gretchen> Quit server -> change -> start server
#742 [04:09] <BarryCarlyon> Just thought i would check :-D
#743 [04:09] <gretchen> :)
#744 [04:09] <gretchen> !check
#745 [04:10] <BarryCarlyon> !check barrycarlyon.co.uk
#746 [04:10] <aetherian> lol
#747 [04:10] <BarryCarlyon> I think the dns cache for the bot needs refreshing.
#748 [04:10] <gretchen> I guess i'll have to stick with hamachi again, because this aint working
#749 [04:10] <BarryCarlyon> gretchen: what os are you on?
#750 [04:10] <BarryCarlyon> gretchen: can you yourself access the server?
#751 [04:11] <gretchen> windows 7 ultimate and yes
#752 [04:11] <BarryCarlyon> Have you forwarded the port on your router. Have you tried accessing the server from another computer on your network?
#753 [04:11] <BarryCarlyon> !check 98.227.24.21:50500
#754 [04:12] <gretchen> is it possible that port 25565 is too high for my router?
#755 [04:12] <gretchen> !check
#756 [04:12] <xales> No
#757 [04:12] <aetherian> gretchen, I do not believe so
#758 [04:12] <xales> that is not a possibility
#759 [04:12] <aetherian> so you portforwarded
#760 [04:12] <aetherian> and the server is running
#761 [04:12] <aetherian> ?
#762 [04:12] <xales> gretchen: Do you have a firewall or 'internet security' program?
#763 [04:13] <gretchen> only MSE and AVG FREE, disabled firewall completely at services.msc , port forwarded correctly
#764 [04:13] <Clarrisani> !check
#765 [04:13] <BarryCarlyon> Windows Firewall?
#766 [04:13] <Clarrisani> Hmmm....
#767 [04:13] <aetherian> I baleted MSE earlier today
#768 [04:13] <BarryCarlyon> What is MSE?
#769 [04:13] <xales> gretchen: Port is not forwarded correctly then
#770 [04:13] <gretchen> microsoft security essentials
#771 [04:13] <BarryCarlyon> Ah.
#772 [04:14] <gretchen> and yes windows firewall, i disabled that one completely
#773 [04:14] <aetherian> after it was using like 300mb ram
#774 [04:14] <BarryCarlyon> Disbling stuff completly is never a good idea. an exception would do the job.
#775 [04:14] <gretchen> Well I can't seem to see anything i've done wrong, I gavemyself a static ip on ipv4, I port forwarded tcp/udp on my ip
#776 [04:14] <xales> BarryCarlyon: Not true, especially with firewalls
#777 [04:14] <xales> gretchen: Do you mind screenshotting your port forwarding rule?
#778 [04:15] <BarryCarlyon> xales: never had too much of a problem with exceptions. Tho most stuff that needs holes is linux based anyway.
#779 [04:15] <BarryCarlyon> Anywho I need to actually start doing work now....since I am at work....
#780 [04:16] <dopeghoti> Karma.
#781 [04:16] <dopeghoti> I spent the day at work slacking off in #MineCraftHelp
#782 [04:16] <dopeghoti> after getting home, I've been wokring on.. work until about three minutes ago
#783 [04:16] <aetherian> heh
#784 [04:16] <BarryCarlyon> I actually spent a whole day at work playing minecraft.
#785 [04:16] <aetherian> slacker
#786 [04:16] <aetherian> lolwin
#787 [04:16] <BarryCarlyon> Since everyone else was not in.
#788 [04:16] <dopeghoti> it's presently 0217 in my timezone.
#789 [04:17] * BarryCarlyon is gone now ping if you need
#789 [04:17] <BarryCarlyon> 9am
#790 [04:17] <xales> dopeghoti: Kill me now.
#791 [04:17] * dopeghoti killes xales
#791 [04:17] <xales> I'm trying to port the functionality of this to C.
#792 [04:17] <xales> https://github.com/asiekierka/64pixels/blob/master/craftr-srvr/CraftrChunk.java
#793 [04:17] <aetherian> awe
#794 [04:17] <xales> =/
#795 [04:17] <aetherian> I wanted to kill him
#796 [04:17] <dopeghoti> that'll be £8
#797 [04:17] * xales hands dopeghoti the number 8
#797 [04:18] <aetherian> xales: why no privacy?
#798 [04:18] <dopeghoti> Porting to C, or ++?
#799 [04:18] <xales> C
#800 [04:18] <dopeghoti> Ah. Ouch.
#801 [04:18] <xales> I don't even understand what the code does
#802 [04:18] <gretchen> http://screencast.com/t/vKNh8kyD
#803 [04:18] <xales> uncommented, ambiguous names
#804 [04:19] <dopeghoti> It creates a class.
#805 [04:19] <xales> dopeghoti: Oh, really?
#806 [04:19] <xales> gretchen: Can you put the server.properties on pastebin.com as well?
#807 [04:20] * xales stabs dopeghoti
#807 [04:20] <gretchen> WTF A CREEPER DESTROYED MY HOUSE
#808 [04:22] <gretchen> http://pastebin.com/qfNdfd99
#809 [04:22] <aetherian> win
#810 [04:22] <xales> why online-mode=false?
#811 [04:23] <aetherian> shouldn't you put on online mo-
#812 [04:23] <aetherian> dammit xales
#813 [04:23] <gretchen> nah i only play with friends
#814 [04:23] <xales> The only time online-mode should be false is if your server isn't connected to the internet
#815 [04:24] <gretchen> but like some of my friends don't have the full game (yet)
#816 [04:24] <xales> then they are playing the game illegally, I take it?
#817 [04:24] <gretchen> im affraid so
#818 [04:24] <aetherian> :O
#819 [04:24] <xales> do you mind if I ask what your username is?
#820 [04:24] <aetherian> for shame!
#821 [04:25] <gretchen> what for?
#822 [04:25] <xales> so I can check if you have paid for the game
#823 [04:26] <gretchen> hmm k i'll admit I haven't. but I certainly will if I am able to play this with my friends without hamachi/lag, but if you do not want to support me anymore i can understand
#824 [04:26] <xales> gretchen: That would probably be why it doesn't work
#825 [04:26] <aetherian> :OOO for shamer!
#826 [04:26] <aetherian> uh
#827 [04:26] <gretchen> but doesn't the client connect directly to my server and not go through the servers first?\
#828 [04:26] <aetherian> shamer? more shame? shamest?
#829 [04:26] <aetherian> dunno
#830 [04:27] <xales> gretchen: No, the pirated copies make changes to your system as well as the game itself, that very easily could inhibit it from actually working
#831 [04:28] <gretchen> ahh I see, ok well then I'll go check if my friends are also willing to pay for it, else I would just end up buying the game and playing on my own :(.. But ehm do you have any idea why my nether portal aint working?
#832 [04:28] <SinZ> is it smp
#833 [04:28] <aetherian> is it glowing purple?
#834 [04:28] <gretchen> yeah
#835 [04:28] <aetherian> is it smp?
#836 [04:28] <SinZ> which question
#837 [04:28] <xales> gretchen: Portals don't work on the pirated version
#838 [04:29] <gretchen> yes its glowing purple
#839 [04:29] <SinZ> what version
#840 [04:29] <gretchen> ah k
#841 [04:29] <aetherian> arr
#842 [04:29] <SinZ> eh
#843 [04:29] <SinZ> why do we give support to pirated copys
#844 [04:30] <xales> SinZ: We don't
#845 [04:30] <aetherian> shiver me timbers
#846 [04:30] * xales shivers aetherian's timbers
#846 [04:30] <aetherian> little lower, won't you?
#847 [04:30] <aetherian> ahhh yeah
#848 [04:30] <aetherian> right there
#849 [04:30] <xales> nou
#850 [04:30] * xales shakes his salt on SinZ
#850 [04:30] <aetherian> what do you mean nou, some sort of I'll rub your back if you rub mine?
#851 [04:31] <SinZ> ...
#852 [04:31] <aetherian> lolxales
#853 [04:31] * xales tells SinZ how aetherian is salt
#853 [04:31] <aetherian> no, xales is salt
#854 [04:31] <SinZ> nousalt
#855 [04:31] <aetherian> he's always showing us his face
#856 [04:31] <aetherian> .-.
#857 [04:31] <aetherian> or
#858 [04:31] <aetherian> ._.
#859 [04:31] <xales> .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
#860 [04:31] <aetherian> that ends up looking more like
#861 [04:31] <aetherian> -.-
#862 [04:32] <xales> /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
#863 [04:32] <aetherian> !spamcheck
#864 [04:32] <SinZ> -..-
#865 [04:32] <xales> ><}}}*>
#866 [04:32] <aetherian> xales: @-;--'--
#867 [04:32] <aetherian> <3
#868 [04:34] <xales> I don't even know what that is
#869 [04:34] <xales> I'm going to bed
#870 [04:34] <xales> bye
#871 [04:34] <aetherian> rose
#872 [04:34] <aetherian> it's a rose
#873 [04:34] <aetherian> nimwit
#874 [04:35] <xales> ...ky
#875 [04:35] <xales> kay*
#876 [04:35] * aetherian pokes xales
#876 [04:35] <aetherian> what time is it where you are?
#877 [04:35] <xales> 4:30AM
#878 [04:35] <xales> also /ctcp xales TIME
#879 [04:35] <aetherian> pfft
#880 [04:35] <SinZ> he aint lieing
#881 [04:36] <aetherian> that ain't late
#882 [04:36] <xales> 04:35:56 xales [xales@xales.darksigns.net] requested CTCP TIME from xales:
#883 [04:36] <xales> 04:35:58 CTCP TIME reply from xales: Fri Jan 28 04:35:56 2011
#884 [04:36] <xales> aetherian: ->AM<- fool
#885 [04:36] <aetherian> yes
#886 [04:36] <aetherian> am
#887 [04:36] <aetherian> it ain't late
#888 [04:36] <aetherian> heh
#889 [04:36] <aetherian> just realized something
#890 [04:36] <aetherian> you're running a linux irssi
#891 [04:37] <xales> ...
#892 [04:37] <aetherian> ctcp ftw
#893 [04:37] <xales> 04:37:05 Ignoring CTCPS from aetherian
#894 [04:37] <nipper> lol
#895 [04:37] * aetherian repeatedly pings xales
#895 [04:37] <aetherian> go2bed
#896 [04:37] <aetherian> and you won't hear the pings
#897 [04:37] <xales> aetherian: cool story, my client is rejecting them, you get disconnected
#898 [04:37] <nipper> 1.56
#899 [04:37] <xales> 04:37:44 Ignoring CTCPS from nipper
#900 [04:38] <nipper> lol
#901 [04:38] <xales> nipper: intentional delay is intentional
#902 [04:38] <xales> anti-spam measure is failsafe
#903 [04:38] <nipper> I know I have the same scripts.
#904 [04:38] * nipper It is currently - Fri 28th Jan 2011 02:38a
#904 [04:38] * aetherian plugs in ethernet and turns off wireless
#904 [04:38] <xales> built-in to client, not a script :)
#905 [04:38] <aetherian> there
#906 [04:38] * aetherian changes nick
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#907 [04:38] <xales> .uptime
#908 [04:38] <VoteSlave> 04:38:47 up 164 days, 9:29, 2 users, load average: 0.01, 0.01, 0.00
#909 [04:38] <nipper> I use mIRC
#910 [04:38] * aetherian pings xales
#910 [04:38] <xales> .part #miencrafthelp
#911 [04:39] <aetherian> lolmIRC
#912 [04:39] <xales> .part #minecrafthelp
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#914 [04:39] <aetherian> /part #minecrafthelp
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#917 [04:39] <aetherian> wheee
#918 [04:40] <aetherian> /part and /quit were sitting on a hill. /quit went to get some water. who was left on the hill?
#919 [04:40] * xales kicked aetherian from #MineCraftHelp (Reason: /kick)
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#921 [04:40] <nipper> /part was left on the hill
#922 [04:42] <SinZ> hi GLaDOS
#923 [04:42] <SinZ> Cake is a lie
#924 [04:42] <xales> hi GLaDOS
#925 [04:43] <GLaDOS> ...
#926 [04:43] <GLaDOS> y u hack steam acc
#927 [04:43] <SinZ> ...
#928 [04:43] <xales> GLaDOS: y u have steam acc?
#929 [04:43] <xales> also https://github.com/xales/ascemox
#930 [04:44] <GLaDOS> yes, i know who you are, "AndyG In Dungi"
#931 [04:44] <xales> GLaDOS: lol, did you get your steam account hacked :P
#932 [04:44] <GLaDOS> yes
#933 [04:44] <xales> how did you manage that
#934 [04:45] <GLaDOS> i do not know
#935 [04:45] <GLaDOS> im just a cat
#936 [04:45] <SinZ> GLaDOS what games you got on it
#937 [04:45] <GLaDOS> ...
#938 [04:45] <SinZ> steam acc
#939 [04:45] <GLaDOS> /kick SinZ FAT COW. FAT COW.
#940 [04:46] <GLaDOS> xales: thanks
#941 [04:46] <xales> lol
#942 [04:47] <xales> GLaDOS: I'm actually going to register that nick
#943 [04:48] <xales> link it to this account which has the 20-second kill protection
#944 [04:48] <GLaDOS> SinZ?
#945 [04:48] <GLaDOS> also how do i get that
#946 [04:48] <SinZ> ..
#947 [04:48] <GLaDOS> 20 second kill protection
#948 [04:49] <xales> /msg nickserv set kill quick
#949 [04:49] <GLaDOS> kthx
#950 [04:49] <SinZ> 20 seconds is quick?
#951 [04:49] <xales> Quicker than 70
#952 [04:49] <xales> 60*
#953 [04:50] <xales> GLaDOS: if you info yourself now, you see
#954 [04:50] <xales> 04:49:42 -NickServ(services@esper.net)- Options: Kill protection, Security
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#956 [04:50] <SinZ> Aussie?
#957 [04:50] <SinZ> =D
#958 [04:50] <xales> lol
#959 [04:50] <Guest1390139145> IM NAWT AUSSIE
#960 [04:51] <Guest1390139145> well, maybe not
#961 [04:52] <xales> GLaDOS: 04:51:44 -NickServ(services@esper.net)- craftirctest is xales
#962 [04:52] <xales> actually no, you do that
#963 [04:52] <xales> /msg nickserv link craftirctest
#964 [04:52] <xales> :P
#965 [04:52] <lukegb> xales: nah, register it and set immediate kill protection
#966 [04:53] <xales> lukegb: Immediate is disabled
#967 [04:53] <lukegb> Aw
#968 [04:53] <xales> and it doesn't actually kill, not since SYSNICK got added
#969 [04:53] <lukegb> Go ask the services admin to turn it back on
#970 [04:53] <lukegb> :P
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#972 [04:53] <GLaDOS> -NickServ- Nickname craftirctest has been linked to your nickname.
#973 [04:53] <GLaDOS> trolling trolling trolling
#974 [04:53] <KillSpammer> :O
#975 [04:53] <xales> GLaDOS: Now a script to ghost it! :P
#976 [04:53] <KillSpammer> lol
#977 [04:54] <GLaDOS> i use znc
#978 [04:54] <GLaDOS> with xchat
#979 [04:54] <SinZ> same
#980 [04:54] <KillSpammer> Btw how do we bind a name to our nickname?
#981 [04:54] <GLaDOS> POINTINVALID.JPG
#982 [04:54] <lukegb> Nickname xales2 has been linked to your nickname.
#983 [04:54] <xales> oh dear, because I had planned on usign that
#984 [04:54] <xales> FUCK
#985 [04:54] <SinZ> xales101
#986 [04:54] <xales> its 5am
#987 [04:54] <SinZ> haha
#988 [04:54] <xales> what the fuck is this shit
#989 [04:55] <lukegb> Nickname xales|away has been linked to your nickname. :D
#990 [04:55] <xales> I don't even use that
#991 [04:55] <KillSpammer> Lol
#992 [04:55] <xales> I only use xales|phone
#993 [04:55] <lukegb> xales: duh, or you'd have linked it yourself
#994 [04:55] <SinZ> Nickname xales|offline has been linked to your nickname.
#995 [04:55] <xales> and even then, I haven't used that for years
#996 [04:56] <KillSpammer> -NickServ- Nickname KillSpammar has been linked to your nickname.
#997 [04:56] <KillSpammer> Yay!
#998 [04:56] <KillSpammer> -NickServ- Nickname Cyon has been linked to your nickname.
#999 [04:56] <KillSpammer> -NickServ- Nickname SuperBaconGirl has been linked to your nickname.
#1000 [04:56] <KillSpammer> -NickServ- Unknown command BaconGirl. Type /msg NickServ HELP for help.
#1001 [04:56] <KillSpammer> -NickServ- Nickname BaconGirl has been linked to your nickname.
#1002 [04:56] <KillSpammer> Heh
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#1004 [04:57] <Acerill> Anyone here wanna connect to a server? trying it out with lots of players!
#1005 [04:58] <SinZ> ehh sure
#1006 [04:58] <SinZ> if no lag
#1007 [04:58] <SinZ> and i get /item
#1008 [04:58] <Acerill> 76.74.255.191:25565 Wright-Servers.com Public Minecraft Server
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#1011 [05:04] * xales goes to sleep now
#1011 [05:04] <MuTTe> im having some probs with my server..
#1012 [05:04] <MuTTe> there is a huge delay
#1013 [05:04] <xales> "huge delay"?
#1014 [05:05] <MuTTe> and when i have the server on and the minecraft exe on.. i barley cant connect to minecraft.net
#1015 [05:05] <MuTTe> 30 sec delay
#1016 [05:05] <MuTTe> i write "hi" then 30 secs later it will display
#1017 [05:05] <xales> MuTTe: What are the specs of your computer?
#1018 [05:05] <MuTTe> sec
#1019 [05:05] <KillSpammer> xales isn't this uhh...
#1020 [05:06] <KillSpammer> Internets lag?
#1021 [05:06] <xales> KillSpammer: On a local machine...
#1022 [05:06] <MuTTe> amd athlon 64 x2 dual core proc 3600+
#1023 [05:06] <KillSpammer> :O
#1024 [05:06] <MuTTe> 1.91 GHz
#1025 [05:07] <xales> how much RAM?
#1026 [05:07] <MuTTe> 2 Gb ram
#1027 [05:07] <xales> what version of Windows?
#1028 [05:07] <KillSpammer> Oh local machine :S
#1029 [05:07] <MuTTe> xp
#1030 [05:07] <MuTTe> home
#1031 [05:07] <MuTTe> 32 bit
#1032 [05:07] <KillSpammer> xales, Slap me
#1033 [05:07] <xales> I'd doubt that your computer could run a server very well
#1034 [05:07] * xales slaps KillSpammer around a bit with an unreasonably massive trout
#1034 [05:07] <MuTTe> ok. =/
#1035 [05:07] <MuTTe> what is needed?
#1036 [05:08] <MuTTe> to run it well
#1037 [05:08] <xales> A computer running Linux and running the server in a ramdisk, with 6+GB of RAM and a much faster processor
#1038 [05:08] <xales> will run it well
#1039 [05:08] <xales> =/
#1040 [05:08] <MuTTe> the funny thing is that ive been running it for a month now.. and just 1 day ago.. this delay started
#1041 [05:08] <MuTTe> hehe.. im not even close :o ;)
#1042 [05:09] <xales> if it just started, I'd look at other programs on your computer to see what else is using resources
#1043 [05:09] <KillSpammer> Have you tried...
#1044 [05:09] <KillSpammer> Restarting your computer?
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#1046 [05:11] <MuTTe> and now my pc crashed :D
#1047 [05:11] <KillSpammer> Is your computer amazingly slow even when the server is off?
#1048 [05:11] <MuTTe> nope..
#1049 [05:12] <MuTTe> 25 processes.. and very fast
#1050 [05:12] <KillSpammer> Erm...
#1051 [05:12] <KillSpammer> I have no answer for you
#1052 [05:12] <KillSpammer> Perhaps your java failed
#1053 [05:12] <KillSpammer> Reinstall?
#1054 [05:12] <MuTTe> done it several times.
#1055 [05:13] <KillSpammer> I have no answer
#1056 [05:13] <KillSpammer> Slap xales
#1057 [05:13] <KillSpammer> Blame it on him
#1058 [05:13] <KillSpammer> !
#1059 [05:14] <MuTTe> ive been running the server for a month without probs.. but, I see when the world is getting bigger it needs more prestanda..
#1060 [05:14] <KillSpammer> Well
#1061 [05:14] <MuTTe> xales is there any way to see if my comp wont handle it?
#1062 [05:14] <KillSpammer> RUn the server and try to reproduce the lag
#1063 [05:15] <KillSpammer> Then check your cpu usuage and such
#1064 [05:15] <MuTTe> "reproduce"? how
#1065 [05:15] <MuTTe> ?
#1066 [05:15] <KillSpammer> Just run the server and see if you get the lag
#1067 [05:15] <MuTTe> They delay is on 30 secs =))
#1068 [05:16] <MuTTe> ofc its a various.. if there are 10 players or if i am alone..
#1069 [05:16] <MuTTe> before i played with 10 people.. no delay at all.. yesterday i played with 4 people. 30 sec delay
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#1073 [05:45] <MrDodo> !paid superman
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#1075 [05:45] <MrDodo> doh!
#1076 [05:45] <MrDodo> lol'd
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#1078 [05:50] <GuluGulu> morning
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#1085 [06:19] <Lexshu> is nether part of the survival mode?
#1086 [06:19] <lemon-rev> yes
#1087 [06:19] <Lexshu> nice
#1088 [06:20] <lemon-rev> always go in with bow and about 120 + arrows on fist go lol
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#1092 [06:24] <lemon-rev> anyone noticed the suttle changes in leaf color in trees that go spastic on you ? like color deapth means more of a browish tinge to the leaf on tree ?
#1093 [06:24] <KillSpammer> http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=157669
#1094 [06:24] <KillSpammer> :)
#1095 [06:25] <lemon-rev> :)
#1096 [06:25] <KillSpammer> :(
#1097 [06:25] <KillSpammer> Well...
#1098 [06:26] <KillSpammer> Jeb luvs me
#1099 [06:26] <KillSpammer> He trolled me
#1100 [06:26] <KillSpammer> Its his way of showing luv
#1101 [06:26] <KillSpammer> I hope...
#1102 [06:26] <lemon-rev> ty
#1103 [06:27] <lemon-rev> much good news well appart from having the obivius downtime and restructuring and whatnot
#1104 [06:28] * fogwraith yawns
#1104 [06:28] <fogwraith> Mornin'
#1105 [06:29] <KillSpammer> Mornin
#1106 [06:29] <KillSpammer> '
#1107 [06:29] <lemon-rev> mornin
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#1109 [06:33] <lemon-rev> hahahha funny now im stuck half way up tree loving it cause i dont think monsters can get into areas that are leafed off lol
#1110 [06:33] <fogwraith> Don't you worry :P
#1111 [06:34] <KillSpammer> :O
#1112 [06:34] <KillSpammer> This is the only nice channel
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#1114 [06:38] <fogwraith> I bet #minecraft is nice, if you're high or drunk beyond whats normal ;P
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#1116 [06:39] <KillSpammer> I don't know how i got to the point of watching a movie called Speed
#1117 [06:40] <KillSpammer> Anyway
#1118 [06:40] <fogwraith> It's far better than Speed 2
#1119 [06:40] <KillSpammer> I have no idea what the hell i am watching
#1120 [06:40] <KillSpammer> Just waiting an hour for the late late show
#1121 [06:40] <fogwraith> On Speed 2, they're on a boat
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#1123 [06:40] <KillSpammer> I seem to be going down an elevator shaft or something
#1124 [06:41] <KillSpammer> Oh speed as in that cop guy who saves that bus?
#1125 [06:41] <fogwraith> Yeah ;P
#1126 [06:41] <KillSpammer> From blowing up?
#1127 [06:41] <KillSpammer> Oh this is alright
#1128 [06:41] <arsenaali> die hard 3 was originally going to be done with the speed 2 script
#1129 [06:41] <arsenaali> luckily that never happened
#1130 [06:41] <KillSpammer> Its Speed (1994)
#1131 [06:41] <fogwraith> Meh, Die Hard was good enough, the rest isn't as good
#1132 [06:42] <arsenaali> i like the third one
#1133 [06:42] <arsenaali> it's ok
#1134 [06:42] <KillSpammer> Omg he just killed someone
#1135 [06:42] <KillSpammer> THAT BASTARD
#1136 [06:43] <fogwraith> 4.0 was meh
#1137 [06:43] <arsenaali> yeah
#1138 [06:43] <Pirate-Jake> anyone here ever touch the Die hard game for the PS1?
#1139 [06:44] <arsenaali> sure
#1140 [06:44] <fogwraith> Some of the effects were good, but the script? who's ass did they pull it from ;/
#1141 [06:44] <fogwraith> Pirate-Jake: I did :P
#1142 [06:44] <arsenaali> there were 3 games in one, right?
#1143 [06:44] <KillSpammer> Bomb squad time!
#1144 [06:44] <Pirate-Jake> yerp
#1145 [06:44] <KillSpammer> Stop spinning around them
#1146 [06:44] <Pirate-Jake> Die hard, Die harder die hard with a vengence
#1147 [06:44] <Pirate-Jake> :P
#1148 [06:45] <fogwraith> Probe Entertainment failed with that series
#1149 [06:45] <Pirate-Jake> i didnt mind that game
#1150 [06:45] <Pirate-Jake> it was suprisingly fun to play when i wasnt playing metal gear solid
#1151 [06:45] <arsenaali> i actually remember playing it a lot back then
#1152 [06:46] <fogwraith> MSG was the third game I got after getting a psx, spent most of my time with that game alone :P
#1153 [06:46] <fogwraith> MGS*
#1154 [06:46] <Pirate-Jake> Yeah
#1155 [06:47] <Pirate-Jake> You know, minecraft needs a themesong. I recommend using this one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iof5pRAIZmw&feature=related
#1156 [06:47] * fogwraith waits for the router to catch on
#1156 [06:48] <Pirate-Jake> Then again, Guiles theme goes with everything
#1157 [06:48] <fogwraith> Luls ;)
#1158 [06:48] <Pirate-Jake> ;)
#1159 [06:49] <arsenaali> man, i love guile's theme
#1160 [06:49] * fogwraith continues with Trigun
#1160 [06:49] <fogwraith> Accidently skipped work today ;P
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#1164 [06:53] <nipper> how do you Accidently skip work?
#1165 [06:53] <psypc2> hi i ordered a minecraft gift code like 12 hours ago
#1166 [06:53] <nipper> Just a question I would love to know so I can Accidently skip work.
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#1168 [06:53] <psypc2> why haven't received it until now?
#1169 [06:53] <kian__> Hi!
#1170 [06:54] <nipper> email there support about it.
#1171 [06:54] <fogwraith> Made up a few silly white lies and went back to bed, a phone conference here, some work there and I'll get to the office if there's time
#1172 [06:54] <fogwraith> Boss: Accepted
#1173 [06:54] <kian__> sorry my english, me spanish! xD... search server pvp (not good pvE) any idea?
#1174 [06:54] <psypc2> can't the operators here help me?
#1175 [06:55] <fogwraith> We're not hired by Mojang, so, no
#1176 [06:55] <fogwraith> Best is to mail support & wait
#1177 [06:56] <fogwraith> kian__: look here -> http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewforum.php?f=1025&sid=cb4dda95f2f16463e85e1fb1170659ef
#1178 [06:56] <kian__> where I can find a list of servers for the full version (original)
#1179 [06:56] <kian__> ah ok thx
#1180 [06:57] <psypc2> which is the support email?
#1181 [06:57] <fogwraith> http://www.minacraft.net/support.jsp
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#1183 [06:57] <fogwraith> I'm sure someone can hook you up with their personal mails too, I don't keep track of those
#1184 [06:58] <kian__> fogwraith, server only 20 slots... 25.... need 75 min xD
#1185 [06:58] <fogwraith> Keep looking through the lists, plenty of servers... you can also ask in #smp
#1186 [06:59] <kian__> thx
#1187 [07:06] <GuluGulu> is there a way to connect in a personal mutilplyaer survival server via web interface and not the client ?
#1188 [07:07] <fogwraith> Yes
#1189 [07:07] <fogwraith> http://www.minecraft.net/game/
#1190 [07:08] <psypc2> I sent a email to payment@mojang.com
#1191 [07:08] <psypc2> hope that the situation will turn out good
#1192 [07:09] <GuluGulu> ty fog
#1193 [07:09] <fogwraith> Yw
#1194 [07:10] <GuluGulu> another qustion is has anyone try to tunnel mc client via 80 port ?
#1195 [07:10] <fogwraith> Nehr... no idea, some use Hamachi though
#1196 [07:11] <GuluGulu> hamachi is the non web interface of logmein ?
#1197 [07:12] <fogwraith> Beats me ;P
#1198 [07:12] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#1199 [07:13] <fogwraith> Hai Grey
#1200 [07:13] <GreyVulpine> 'lo gov'na
#1201 [07:13] <fogwraith> Hohoho ;)
#1202 [07:16] <GuluGulu> i am wondering if you get lost in your own privet server (lost from your village/house) is there any way to find it back other than start serching random directions :P ?
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#1204 [07:17] <fogwraith> Hoping that you recognize the surroundings
#1205 [07:17] <GuluGulu> seems like not :P
#1206 [07:17] <fogwraith> Or dieing and remembering the spot from spawn :P
#1207 [07:17] <GuluGulu> cos it was new word
#1208 [07:17] <fogwraith> Build a new home, and hope to one day find that lost spot ;)
#1209 [07:17] <GuluGulu> well that's the idea after wondering 2 days
#1210 [07:17] <fogwraith> Suppose there are map editors with overviews and stuff like that
#1211 [07:18] <GuluGulu> i even have ppl joing me form irc to find it
#1212 [07:18] <GuluGulu> it was like a quest
#1213 [07:18] <fogwraith> ;D
#1214 [07:18] <GuluGulu> 2 days now can't find it.. :P
#1215 [07:19] <GuluGulu> btw nce u die in a mutiplay server you loss what u have created and you are in new world ?
#1216 [07:19] <GuluGulu> persoanl multiplay server *
#1217 [07:19] <fogwraith> everything should still be there
#1218 [07:19] <fogwraith> And eventually, if the items are dropped, the secret society of garbage collectors come to steal them
#1219 [07:20] <GuluGulu> so basicly once you die nothing happens apart that u loss your itmes :P
#1220 [07:20] <fogwraith> Yeah
#1221 [07:20] <fogwraith> Your home is still lost somewhere out there ;)
#1222 [07:20] <GuluGulu> indeed
#1223 [07:21] <GuluGulu> i thougt you lost everything and i find that quite chalenging !
#1224 [07:23] <GreyVulpine> Nothing stopping you from playing in single playing, and manually deleting the world every time you die
#1225 [07:23] <KillSpammer> Ahh
#1226 [07:23] <KillSpammer> Heh...
#1227 [07:23] <KillSpammer> I don't play minecraft anymore
#1228 [07:23] <KillSpammer> GreyVulpine, do you?
#1229 [07:23] <KillSpammer> Play it much*
#1230 [07:23] <GreyVulpine> Haven't touched it in a while
#1231 [07:23] <mbentley> i haven't played in quite a while myself
#1232 [07:23] <KillSpammer> I just go on and have a look at mods
#1233 [07:24] <GreyVulpine> Waiting on bukkit to finish before I consider going on again
#1234 [07:24] <KillSpammer> It gets too annoying with lag
#1235 [07:24] <fogwraith> I try to keep up to date with the bukkit mod and plugins
#1236 [07:24] <fogwraith> The BigBrother plugin is pure win
#1237 [07:24] <GreyVulpine> ?
#1238 [07:24] <KillSpammer> Well
#1239 [07:25] <fogwraith> Something ruined in the world? slap a /bb here to see who did it
#1240 [07:25] <fogwraith> Possibility to roll back too ;)
#1241 [07:25] <KillSpammer> Today jeb trolled me, mollstam considered my idea and i got a first post that was locked!
#1242 [07:25] <fogwraith> Congratulations KillSpammer :P
#1243 [07:25] <KillSpammer> Trolled: http://bit.ly/gvCeOz
#1244 [07:25] <KillSpammer> :)
#1245 [07:25] <KillSpammer> Its jeb's way of showing love.
#1246 [07:26] <ConMan8> KillSpammer
#1247 [07:26] <ConMan8> why areyou here
#1248 [07:27] <KillSpammer> Because I help people here.
#1249 [07:27] <KillSpammer> And stuff
#1250 [07:28] <KillSpammer> ConMan8, why are you here?
#1251 [07:28] <ConMan8> Because I 'help' people
#1252 [07:28] <KillSpammer> OMG
#1253 [07:28] <KillSpammer> We are so similar
#1254 [07:29] <KillSpammer> We should so date.
#1255 [07:29] <fogwraith> Dearly beloved
#1256 [07:29] <KillSpammer> Yay The Late Late show is on lol
#1257 [07:29] <fogwraith> We have gathered here today...
#1258 [07:29] <KillSpammer> HURRY UP
#1259 [07:29] <fogwraith> YES OR NO!
#1260 [07:29] <fogwraith> QUICKLY!
#1261 [07:29] <ConMan8> fogwraith, you were quick to it..
#1262 [07:29] <fogwraith> Of course ;P
#1263 [07:29] <KillSpammer> YES, NO, YES, NO, YES
#1264 [07:30] <fogwraith> First answer accepted, you may now kiss the bride
#1265 [07:30] <ConMan8> YOU'LL JUST TAKE ALL MY MONEY
#1266 [07:30] <KillSpammer> Divorce now.
#1267 [07:31] <KillSpammer> I get half
#1268 [07:31] <KillSpammer> Your house your car you get all the rest
#1269 [07:31] <fogwraith> I don't do divorces :P
#1270 [07:31] <KillSpammer> I know GreyVulpine does
#1271 [07:31] <ConMan8> My car?!?
#1272 [07:32] <KillSpammer> I hate how mollstam hasn't discovered the real truth about #Minecraft
#1273 [07:32] <KillSpammer> As he talks in there the most :(
#1274 [07:32] <KillSpammer> Now someone come in and have a giant problem that thkes for ever to solve
#1275 [07:32] <KillSpammer> And i eventually get GreyVulpine to solve it
#1276 [07:32] <ConMan8> mollstam STILL hasn't come good on that offer to hustle
#1277 [07:33] <mbentley> i can make up a problem
#1278 [07:33] <KillSpammer> Who was that guy who tested me...
#1279 [07:33] <KillSpammer> Was it you mbentley ?
#1280 [07:34] <mbentley> ZOMG Y DUZ minekraft lag on the pentium 66!?!?!?! it ran commander keen like awesumz fast!
#1281 [07:34] <mbentley> i don't remember testing you
#1282 [07:34] <KillSpammer> Must of been dopeghoti
#1283 [07:34] <KillSpammer> PINGDZ
#1284 [07:35] <fogwraith> mbentley: PUSH TEH TURBO BUTTNZ!
#1285 [07:35] <KillSpammer> I've officially left #minecraft for good :)
#1286 [07:35] <mbentley> WHOO 100mhz!!!!
#1287 [07:35] <mbentley> thankz fogwraith! i now get .001 fps!
#1288 [07:35] <fogwraith> Lulz
#1289 [07:35] <fogwraith> I miss the turbo button ;P
#1290 [07:36] <mbentley> i think the new i7
#1291 [07:36] <mbentley> needs a turbo button
#1292 [07:36] <mbentley> since i has a turbo feature :D
#1293 [07:36] <mbentley> keep fat fingering the enter key
#1294 [07:36] <mbentley> stupid pinky finger going rogue on me
#1295 [07:38] <ConMan8> The enter key needs to be placed in a hard-to-reach place
#1296 [07:38] <KillSpammer> Lol
#1297 [07:38] <fogwraith> Switch places with Enter and Space... now THAT would be awesome
#1298 [07:38] <KillSpammer> Near the page downkey which is just annoying that you have to reach slightly
#1299 [07:39] <KillSpammer> fogwraith, i would never get use to that
#1300 [07:39] <fogwraith> Me neither
#1301 [07:39] <fogwraith> ;/
#1302 [07:39] <KillSpammer> I'll be like typing and be like this
#1303 [07:39] <ConMan8> Like
#1304 [07:39] <KillSpammer> Hi,
#1305 [07:39] <ConMan8> this?
#1306 [07:39] <KillSpammer> Yeh
#1307 [07:39] <KillSpammer> Lol
#1308 [07:39] <KillSpammer> Idk
#1309 [07:39] <KillSpammer> I
#1310 [07:39] <KillSpammer> Forget
#1311 [07:39] <KillSpammer> The
#1312 [07:39] <KillSpammer> Switch
#1313 [07:39] <KillSpammer> thing
#1314 [07:39] <KillSpammer> :(
#1315 [07:40] <fogwraith> Good old IRC & messaging days, as if whole complete sentences on a single line would help
#1316 [07:40] <fogwraith> T'was more expensive to be connected then I suppose, get more out of it :P
#1317 [07:41] <KillSpammer> When did irc originate?
#1318 [07:41] <ConMan8> 198x
#1319 [07:42] <fogwraith> 1988
#1320 [07:42] <fogwraith> Well, the documentation
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#1322 [07:44] <KillSpammer> Well GreyVulpine and xales there goes your chance at becoming official support team and stuffs
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#1324 [07:44] <KillSpammer> They are hiring people
#1325 [07:44] <KillSpammer> I know you luv being support
#1326 [07:45] <mbentley> will work for capes
#1327 [07:45] <KillSpammer> You know what sucks
#1328 [07:45] <mbentley> vacuums?
#1329 [07:45] <KillSpammer> Once they get a support team up we will get bored.
#1330 [07:45] <KillSpammer> :(
#1331 [07:45] <KillSpammer> I helped roughly 3 people in the last 4 hours
#1332 [07:46] <mbentley> well they only need an offical support team
#1333 [07:46] <mbentley> why pay for something they don't need? they need people who can fix account and payment issues
#1334 [07:46] <KillSpammer> I told jeb that
#1335 [07:46] <KillSpammer> But the uspport team will have access to paypal and such
#1336 [07:46] <KillSpammer> I'll accept payment :)
#1337 [07:46] <mbentley> in for payment
#1338 [07:47] <KillSpammer> Let us confront jeb!
#1339 [07:47] <KillSpammer> In 5 years
#1340 [07:47] * KillSpammer runs
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#1341 [07:48] <jal0kin> hi
#1342 [07:48] <KillSpammer> Ohai
#1343 [07:48] <KillSpammer> How can we help you today jal0kin ?
#1344 [07:48] <jal0kin> Can anyone help me with skins thingy?
#1345 [07:48] <KillSpammer> Fire away
#1346 [07:48] <jal0kin> My friends cant see my skin :P
#1347 [07:48] <KillSpammer> Ohh the skin thing is broken at the moment i think.
#1348 [07:49] <fogwraith> Yeah
#1349 [07:49] <GreyVulpine> In game?
#1350 [07:49] <jal0kin> Oh okay :)
#1351 [07:49] <GreyVulpine> Or online?
#1352 [07:49] <fogwraith> I can't see mine either
#1353 [07:49] <fogwraith> Not really that bothered by it though ;P
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#1355 [07:49] <ConMan8> You mean..
#1356 [07:49] <ConMan8> the skin preview on the site?
#1357 [07:49] <fogwraith> Yes
#1358 [07:49] <GuluGulu> ok is there any site that has skins availble to use ?
#1359 [07:49] <ConMan8> in-game skins?
#1360 [07:49] <fogwraith> < hollowman
#1361 [07:49] <KillSpammer> GuluGulu, google :)
#1362 [07:49] <GuluGulu> well was what about to do but i guess there will be some lib's :P
#1363 [07:50] <Burnskagen> Need help with putty, unix VPS. Minecraft server not responding to commands
#1364 [07:50] <mbentley> kill -9, done
#1365 [07:50] <Burnskagen> I type commands like list
#1366 [07:50] <Burnskagen> or kick
#1367 [07:50] <fogwraith> Running a mod, are you?
#1368 [07:50] <Burnskagen> it is just written in the console and I am sent to a new line
#1369 [07:50] <Burnskagen> no I am not
#1370 [07:50] <lukegb> mbentley: I have k9 and ka9 mapped to kill -9 and killall -9
#1371 [07:50] <lukegb> :)
#1372 [07:51] <fogwraith> Kill it with fire, start it back up
#1373 [07:51] <mbentley> that's odd Burnskagen
#1374 [07:51] <Burnskagen> It is writing out things like people joining though
#1375 [07:52] <Burnskagen> and when I say something in the server
#1376 [07:52] <Burnskagen> It used to work
#1377 [07:52] <Burnskagen> but today and yesterday it doesnt
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#1379 [07:54] <Burnskagen> you have no sollution?
#1380 [07:55] <fogwraith> Kill the process, start it back up
#1381 [07:55] <mbentley> ^+1 pretty much
#1382 [07:55] <Burnskagen> Process? how do I do that in putty?
#1383 [07:55] <Burnskagen> I use screen
#1384 [07:55] <jal0kin> Is there anyone that can tell me which commands a standard alpha server has?
#1385 [07:55] <fogwraith> ps -ax
#1386 [07:55] <GreyVulpine> jal0kin - "help"
#1387 [07:56] <jal0kin> Is there a way to get more commands?
#1388 [07:56] <ConMan8> non-ops can use /kill
#1389 [07:56] <GreyVulpine> "help" will list all the commands in the server console
#1390 [07:56] <jal0kin> Or a mod?
#1391 [07:56] <mbentley> do a 'ps ax | grep minecraft_server'
#1392 [07:56] <GreyVulpine> Yes jal0kin
#1393 [07:56] <fogwraith> That takes the fun out of it, mbentley
#1394 [07:56] <Burnskagen> ps -ax doesnt work
#1395 [07:56] <mbentley> ditch the -
#1396 [07:56] <Burnskagen> S
#1397 [07:57] <mbentley> or try 'ps -ef | grep minecraft_server'
#1398 [07:57] <Burnskagen> I get a list of processes
#1399 [07:57] <Burnskagen> Tried your mbentley
#1400 [07:57] <Burnskagen> its still running
#1401 [07:57] <fogwraith> Of course it is
#1402 [07:58] <fogwraith> kill the pid
#1403 [07:58] <mbentley> find the one that has your minecraft command and kill it by doing 'kill -9 <pid>'
#1404 [07:58] <mbentley> like mine is: miner 21255 21254 3 05:15 pts/0 00:05:37 java -Xmx1536M -jar minecraft_server.jar nogui
#1405 [07:58] <mbentley> so the pid is 21255
#1406 [07:58] <Burnskagen> there
#1407 [07:58] <Burnskagen> thanks
#1408 [07:58] <Burnskagen> now to restart?
#1409 [07:58] <mbentley> yup
#1410 [07:58] <KillSpammer> No
#1411 [07:58] <KillSpammer> You never start it again
#1412 [07:58] <KillSpammer> ...
#1413 [07:58] <jal0kin> Can anyone tell me which website I can download Mods from? (For my server)
#1414 [07:58] <Burnskagen> -_-
#1415 [07:58] * GreyVulpine baps KillSpammer
#1415 [07:59] <mbentley> jal0kin: the internet
#1416 [07:59] <Burnskagen> How do I restart?
#1417 [07:59] <mbentley> glad i could help
#1418 [07:59] <fogwraith> ...
#1419 [07:59] <GreyVulpine> jal0kin - Try #bukkit
#1420 [07:59] <mbentley> Burnskagen: you just start it
#1421 [07:59] <KillSpammer> I have no idea how to use putty :(
#1422 [07:59] <GreyVulpine> We don't officially support mods here
#1423 [07:59] <Burnskagen> I don't know how :/
#1424 [07:59] <KillSpammer> But we can actually support them
#1425 [07:59] <mbentley> what?
#1426 [07:59] <KillSpammer> So yeah...
#1427 [07:59] <mbentley> how did you set up your server?
#1428 [07:59] <Burnskagen> I got help
#1429 [07:59] <fogwraith> ...
#1430 [07:59] <jal0kin> What is that, Grey? :D
#1431 [07:59] <KillSpammer> Burnskagen, how did you start it in the first place?
#1432 [07:59] <Burnskagen> I am using a console to have it running on my VPS
#1433 [07:59] <mbentley> and you don't even know how to start the server?
#1434 [07:59] <Burnskagen> I don't remember
#1435 [08:00] <KillSpammer> ...
#1436 [08:00] <Burnskagen> Chill people
#1437 [08:00] <fogwraith> This is why people shouldn't run their own servers, I'm sorry
#1438 [08:00] <fogwraith> But it's true
#1439 [08:00] <Burnskagen> no its not
#1440 [08:00] <GuluGulu> is there any issue migratin Windows MC server files to a Linux OS ?
#1441 [08:00] <KillSpammer> If you can't use the internet to find out how to use basic stuff i seriously you reconsider running a server.
#1442 [08:00] <Burnskagen> there is nothing wrong with running a server without being pro at it
#1443 [08:00] <mbentley> no
#1444 [08:00] <GreyVulpine> GuluGulu - Nope
#1445 [08:00] <GuluGulu> ty :)
#1446 [08:00] <KillSpammer> Burnskagen, you should atleast use google instead of asking here.
#1447 [08:00] <GuluGulu> gonna move it any time soon on a ubuntu
#1448 [08:01] <mbentley> there is a difference being about to run a server vs not remembering how to start it :)
#1449 [08:01] <Burnskagen> This place is for minecraft help.....
#1450 [08:01] <Burnskagen> so yeah
#1451 [08:01] <Burnskagen> how do I do it?
#1452 [08:01] <Burnskagen> :)
#1453 [08:01] <mbentley> we have no clue how your server is setup
#1454 [08:01] <GreyVulpine> Go to the folder in which you have minecraft_server.jar
#1455 [08:01] <KillSpammer> Minecraft help not Putty help
#1456 [08:01] <fogwraith> Do you understand the basics of screen and how to cd to your dir of minecraft awesome?
#1457 [08:02] <mbentley> for all we know, someone set you up with an init script
#1458 [08:02] <Burnskagen> KillSpammer, I have no interest in your opinions please stop talking to me ok?
#1459 [08:02] <fogwraith> I'd tell you to go to the person who helped you, Burnskagen, and have him instruct you on how it was done
#1460 [08:02] <Burnskagen> I did, he is offline :(
#1461 [08:02] <KillSpammer> I have a right to say my opinions you have a right to ignore them :)
#1462 [08:02] <Burnskagen> or at least afk
#1463 [08:02] * GreyVulpine pokes Burnskagen
#1463 [08:02] <mbentley> who was it? was it in here?
#1464 [08:02] <GreyVulpine> Was kealper and I
#1465 [08:02] <Burnskagen> Yeah, dopeghoti
#1466 [08:02] * KillSpammer pokes GreyVulpine because he felt like it
#1466 [08:03] <GreyVulpine> and dope
#1467 [08:03] <Burnskagen> he helped too
#1468 [08:03] <Burnskagen> yeah
#1469 [08:03] <Burnskagen> these three
#1470 [08:03] <GreyVulpine> Burnskagen - Type pwd
#1471 [08:03] <Burnskagen> ok
#1472 [08:03] <GreyVulpine> What directory are you in
#1473 [08:03] <Burnskagen> -home-burnskagen
#1474 [08:03] <GreyVulpine> ls
#1475 [08:03] <Burnskagen> the -'s are really "/"'s
#1476 [08:03] <GreyVulpine> what folders are in that directory?
#1477 [08:03] <Burnskagen> minecraft
#1478 [08:04] <GreyVulpine> cd minecraft
#1479 [08:04] <Burnskagen> ok :)
#1480 [08:04] <GreyVulpine> You should be in your minecraft directory now
#1481 [08:04] <GreyVulpine> or, at least the server
#1482 [08:04] <GreyVulpine> http://www.minecraft.net/download.jsp
#1483 [08:04] <Burnskagen> ls
#1484 [08:04] <GreyVulpine> Check out that page, bottom of the page is the command on how to launch your server
#1485 [08:04] <Burnskagen> ok
#1486 [08:05] <Burnskagen> Thanks guys
#1487 [08:05] <Burnskagen> Now let's hope it works ;D
#1488 [08:05] <Burnskagen> it does
#1489 [08:05] <Burnskagen> thanks
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#1491 [08:06] <GreyVulpine> Didn't xales give you a page on linux commands?
#1492 [08:07] <Burnskagen> yeah, I have been reading a little bit
#1493 [08:07] <GreyVulpine> Good.
#1494 [08:07] <Burnskagen> I will read more
#1495 [08:09] <GuluGulu> best skin creator - any suggestion ?
#1496 [08:09] <GreyVulpine> Skinedit?
#1497 [08:10] <GuluGulu> ty :)
#1498 [08:10] <feenyx> ms paint
#1499 [08:10] <GuluGulu> indeed :P
#1500 [08:11] <GuluGulu> i was wondering ifthere is any client for android or any other mobile OS for MC !
#1501 [08:11] <GreyVulpine> Nope
#1502 [08:13] <feenyx> GuluGulu: there's a pre-alpha map viewer for Android, but that's about it
#1503 [08:18] <GuluGulu> well that's a strat!
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#1507 [08:31] <mib_qrfcs1> I was at a coffee shop last night that had WI-FI and tried to run minecraft on my mac, and it started an update and never finnished and today the update is still not finnished. the green loading bar is nearly done but it's frozen
#1508 [08:32] <mib_qrfcs1> any reason why this might be? I've paid for the game and have been playing it for a couple months
#1509 [08:32] <mbentley> well if minecraft is still open, force it to close
#1510 [08:32] <mbentley> try again.
#1511 [08:32] <mib_qrfcs1> well I have
#1512 [08:32] <mib_qrfcs1> i've gone as far as restarting my computer
#1513 [08:33] <mbentley> you might try removing the 'bin' folder from ~/Library/Application Support/minecraft
#1514 [08:33] <mib_qrfcs1> even if i log on without the launcher, just playing from the actual website the same thing comes up, and unfinished download
#1515 [08:33] <mbentley> (at least i think that is where it is located)
#1516 [08:33] <mib_qrfcs1> okay i will try that
#1517 [08:35] <mib_qrfcs1> YAY you were right!
#1518 [08:35] <mib_qrfcs1> thats fixed it!
#1519 [08:35] <mbentley> good deal
#1520 [08:35] <mib_qrfcs1> Thanks so much!
#1521 [08:35] <mbentley> anytime
#1522 [08:36] * mbentley hits the 'easy' button
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#1524 [08:47] <izzd> Hi, minecraft crashes and cuts my inet alot, then I have to reboot to get back online
#1525 [08:49] <izzd> the error txt is, EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION
#1526 [08:51] <mbentley> definitely not normal for it to cut your internet connection
#1527 [08:53] <izzd> it crashes in a number of ways but this is the most annoying :S
#1528 [08:54] <mbentley> running the latest jre?
#1529 [08:54] <izzd> how to check?
#1530 [08:54] <mbentley> what os?
#1531 [08:54] <izzd> xp pro
#1532 [08:54] <mbentley> start > run > type in 'cmd'
#1533 [08:55] <mbentley> that will drop you to a command prompt window
#1534 [08:55] <mbentley> type in 'java -version'
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#1536 [08:55] <izzd> just java-version ?
#1537 [08:55] <Mikau> spacebar
#1538 [08:55] <Mikau> java -version
#1539 [08:56] <Mikau> unless you're trying to be an awesome java programmer
#1540 [08:56] <Mikau> then it's javac -version
#1541 [08:56] <izzd> i missed the space
#1542 [08:57] <izzd> 1.6.0_23-bo5
#1543 [08:57] <izzd> b05
#1544 [08:57] <mbentley> that would be up to date
#1545 [08:58] <Mikau> I'll be back
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#1548 [08:59] <Mikau> Ta da
#1549 [08:59] <Mikau> I think my college is banned from freenode.net
#1550 [08:59] <izzd> having to reboot is a huge pita :S
#1551 [09:00] <Mikau> That's always nice.
#1552 [09:00] <Mikau> the banning thing
#1553 [09:00] <Mikau> not the pita in your reboot thing
#1554 [09:00] <Mikau> pita is meant for food, not computers.
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#1556 [09:07] <mbentley> i would have to guess there is an underlying cause to the problem. have any other crashes with other applications or random crashes?
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#1558 [09:17] <izzd> no nothing like this
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#1563 [09:37] <Mikau> aaaa
#1564 [09:38] <Mikau> woo
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#1568 [09:54] <Roenie> is it safe to backup the world and player directories while the server runs?
#1569 [09:55] <Roenie> or is there a chance that the backup won't work when the time comes that it needs to be used
#1570 [09:55] <ConMan8> You should save-all first
#1571 [09:56] <xolotl> Roenie: There's a chance you'd get chunk corruption
#1572 [09:56] <xolotl> Roenie: If you're running a vanilla server, you can always issues a "save-off" before doing it
#1573 [09:56] <xolotl> Roenie: (and then "save-on" when you're done)
#1574 [09:57] <Roenie> why does it have to be vanilla, for that?
#1575 [09:58] <xolotl> Because mods change what commands are available
#1576 [09:58] <xolotl> Could be that it'd still work with mods; I wouldn't know.
#1577 [09:58] <SinZ> most mods still support vannila commands
#1578 [09:58] <Roenie> ah, doesn't work indeed
#1579 [09:58] <SinZ> ./#save-off
#1580 [09:58] <Roenie> works
#1581 [10:00] <Roenie> ty
#1582 [10:02] <SinZ> Your Welcome
#1583 [10:02] <SinZ> btw, this channel doesn't support mods
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#1585 [10:02] <Roenie> i just made the most retardedly awesome automated bridge over a lake
#1586 [10:03] <Roenie> a minecart constantly commutes fast between both ends
#1587 [10:03] <Roenie> step on a pressure plate, stops the cart at your feet
#1588 [10:04] <Roenie> get in, press a button, off you go
#1589 [10:04] <Roenie> get out, the exit has you walk over a pressure plate,
#1590 [10:04] <Roenie> that causes the cart to start commuting between both ends again
#1591 [10:05] <Roenie> it will only ever need 1 cart
#1592 [10:06] <Roenie> (i did use minecraft mania, plugin)
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#1597 [10:12] <GreyVulpine> !weather hell
#1598 [10:12] <GreyBot> GreyVulpine: From Cobblestone Creek, Pinckney, Michigan (10:10a Jan 28 11) temp(26.7 F / -2.9 C, feels like 27 F / -3 C) cond(Light Snow) wind(WSW at 1.0 mph / 1.6 km/h) hu(89%) dewpnt(24 F / -4 C) bp(29.88 in / 1011.7 hPa (Steady)) clouds(Mostly Cloudy (BKN) : 1500 ft / 457 m, Mostly Cloudy (BKN) : 2400 ft / 731 m, Overcast (OVC) : 3200 ft / 975 m) vis(1.5 miles / 2.4 kilometers) uv(0 ou
#1599 [10:12] <GreyBot> t of 16)
#1600 [10:12] <GreyBot> Early This Morning: Cloudy. Scattered flurries. Temperatures around 20. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph.
#1601 [10:12] <GreyBot> Alert: Winter Weather Advisory in effect from 9 PM today until 10 am Saturday...
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#1604 [10:17] <yamato392> hi
#1605 [10:17] <yamato392> im new to minecraft, how do you join multiplayer?
#1606 [10:17] <GreyVulpine> For classic or beta?
#1607 [10:17] <yamato392> beta
#1608 [10:17] <GreyVulpine> Did you purchase a premium account?
#1609 [10:17] <yamato392> yup
#1610 [10:17] <yamato392> i bought thebeta key
#1611 [10:18] <yamato392> well i bought the alpha key
#1612 [10:18] <yamato392> before it became beta
#1613 [10:18] <GreyVulpine> Alright, well, once you're in the client, you click on the Multiplayer button, and type in a server's IP
#1614 [10:18] <GreyVulpine> You can find a list of MP servers here:
#1615 [10:18] <GreyVulpine> http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewforum.php?f=1025
#1616 [10:18] <yamato392> ooh i was looking for some server ip addresses
#1617 [10:18] <yamato392> thanks
#1618 [10:18] <yamato392> i also have another question
#1619 [10:18] <GreyVulpine> Shoot
#1620 [10:19] <yamato392> can i remake my character cause it looks liek megaman now
#1621 [10:19] <yamato392> or can i create a new one
#1622 [10:19] <GreyVulpine> You can upload skins at your profile page on minecraft.net
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#1625 [10:19] <GreyVulpine> For a directory of player-made skins, you can check out: http://www.minecraftskins.com/
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#1629 [10:22] <xorcon> hey guys, i'm running minecraft os os x 10.6 on a core 2 duo 2.4ghz and 2gb of ram, but the performances are very poor :(
#1630 [10:23] <yamato392> thanks alot greyvulpine
#1631 [10:24] <xorcon> anyone can help?
#1632 [10:24] <GreyVulpine> When you hold down F3 while inside minecraft, what does it say your FPS is?
#1633 [10:24] <some1> hi. need help with minecraft on linux mint 10
#1634 [10:25] <some1> when I start it I get this: http://pastebin.com/nqUT3TeY
#1635 [10:26] <GreyVulpine> some1 - What version of java are you running?
#1636 [10:26] <some1> GreyVulpine: java version "1.6.0_22" Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_22-b04) Java HotSpot(TM) Server VM (build 17.1-b03, mixed mode)
#1637 [10:27] <xorcon> GreyVulpine: 28.30fps but it lags at points, the more i use it the more it lags
#1638 [10:27] <xorcon> and graphics are set to fast
#1639 [10:28] <xorcon> now it has dropped to 105-10fps
#1640 [10:28] <GreyVulpine> xorcon - Are you traveling to the edges of the map? That'll start generating new chunks, and slight performances drops are normal for new chunk generation
#1641 [10:28] <xorcon> *15-10
#1642 [10:29] <xorcon> GreyVulpine - no, now it's around 15-20 stable, when i move the cursor it drops to 10fps
#1643 [10:30] <GreyVulpine> some1 - Don't suppose you can run minecraft as root to test out permissions
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#1645 [10:31] <xorcon> GreyVulpine - it's unberable it goes as down as 5 fps
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#1647 [10:32] <GreyVulpine> xorcon - I'm sorry, I'm not a mac person. Could you see if there are any updates for your system in terms of java/video drivers?
#1648 [10:33] <GreyVulpine> Also make sure that your system isn't bogged down by other processes running in the background
#1649 [10:33] <xorcon> GreyVulpine - they are both provided via software updates by apple,and there are none at the moment
#1650 [10:34] <Mikau> Make sure that there isn't multiple versions of java on your system.
#1651 [10:34] <Mikau> Java isn't very nice and sometimes installs new versions during updates, and doesn't remove the old version.
#1652 [10:35] <xorcon> nothing but safari (web browser) in the background, how can i check if there are old versions?
#1653 [10:35] <some1> GreyVulpine, it works fine with sudo. thx
#1654 [10:36] <GreyVulpine> some1 - Then I suspect a permissions problem, either with /dev/input/ or with an input method
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#1656 [10:39] <Mikau> I'm not sure how mac filesystems work, but if you could find where java was installed(?) You could look for multiple versions of it.
#1657 [10:39] <some1> GreyVulpine, how can I change that premissions without launching game without sudo?
#1658 [10:39] <Kealper> does it work when using sudo?
#1659 [10:39] <Mikau> Java usually installs into folders like jre and then a version number.
#1660 [10:40] <Mikau> I for some reason have multiple versions in my java folder, but I installed the JDK so I don't know if that downloaded the JRE at the same time.
#1661 [10:40] <Mikau> jre6 and jre1.6.0_20
#1662 [10:40] <Mikau> isn't jre1.6.0_20 old?
#1663 [10:41] <Mikau> isn't it like _23 now?
#1664 [10:41] <Kealper> 20 works
#1665 [10:41] <Kealper> for the longest time i was using 17 lol
#1666 [10:41] <Mikau> Java just tells me I'm using the latest version
#1667 [10:42] <Kealper> i think the latest in the CentOS main repo is only 20, too :/
#1668 [10:43] <Mikau> oh, I see what's going on here
#1669 [10:43] <Mikau> 20 is from sun microsystems
#1670 [10:43] <Mikau> 23 is from oracle
#1671 [10:43] <xorcon> GreyVulpine: i know where java is installed but i can't figure out a way to know what version is it
#1672 [10:44] <Kealper> Mikau: that's rather dumb that they changed the maker like that :/
#1673 [10:44] <Mikau> That must be why I have multiple versions.
#1674 [10:44] <Mikau> Different publisher
#1675 [10:44] <Kealper> xorcon: open a terminal and type java -version
#1676 [10:45] <Mikau> Whatever Notch did in the last couple weeks: it's stopped minecraft from crashing on my high end machine.
#1677 [10:45] <Mikau> So that's good.
#1678 [10:45] <xorcon> Kealper: 1.6.0_22
#1679 [10:45] <Kealper> Jeb threw in a few performance mods that people had made
#1680 [10:45] <xorcon> GreyVulpine: 1.6.0_22
#1681 [10:45] <Mikau> Maybe that was it.
#1682 [10:45] <Mikau> hi5 Jeb
#1683 [10:46] <Mikau> mac has their own java?
#1684 [10:46] <Mikau> that's just rude.
#1685 [10:46] <Kealper> many companies have their own flavors of the JVM
#1686 [10:46] <Mikau> I doubt it's a multi-version issue, xorcon
#1687 [10:46] <Kealper> apple forces theirs down apple users, but meh
#1688 [10:47] <xorcon> so is there anything i can do to improve fps?
#1689 [10:47] <Mikau> What kind of machine is it? desktop/laptop?
#1690 [10:47] <Kealper> how old is your computer?
#1691 [10:47] <Kealper> i'm betting it's a PowerMac
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#1693 [10:47] <xorcon> it's a core 2 duo 2.4gh 2gb of ram, about 3 years old
#1694 [10:48] <Kealper> hmm...that's a shame that i just lost that bet
#1695 [10:48] * Kealper pays up
#1695 [10:48] <xorcon> lol
#1696 [10:48] <Mikau> I know absolutely nothing about the way Mac's work, other than Apple needing a god slap for how they handle their systems.
#1697 [10:48] <Kealper> what model number is it?
#1698 [10:48] <xorcon> 8,1
#1699 [10:48] * Mikau takes 4 lollipops from kealper.
#1699 [10:48] <Mikau> Better luck next time.
#1700 [10:48] <Kealper> :,(
#1701 [10:48] <xorcon> lol
#1702 [10:49] <Kealper> so anywho...model number?
#1703 [10:49] <Mikau> 867-4309
#1704 [10:49] <xorcon> Kealper: 8,1 that should be it
#1705 [10:49] <xorcon> ops
#1706 [10:49] <xorcon> sorry
#1707 [10:49] <xorcon> XD
#1708 [10:49] <Mikau> Oh sorry, 867-5309
#1709 [10:49] <Mikau> wouldn't want you calling the wrong model
#1710 [10:50] <Kealper> 8,1......i mean like Mackbook Pro or something
#1711 [10:50] <some1> GreyVulpine, I've found a solution: sudo chmod go=u /dev/input/event*
#1712 [10:50] <Mikau> What do Mac's use in terms of video?
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#1714 [10:50] <Kealper> usually ATI as of late
#1715 [10:50] <Kealper> afaik
#1716 [10:51] <Mikau> Apple irritates me.
#1717 [10:51] <xorcon> Kealper: i mount an ATI Radeon HD 2400
#1718 [10:51] <Mikau> The way they force their hardware on their users.
#1719 [10:51] <Kealper> xorcon: wait, it has a radeon hd 2400?
#1720 [10:51] <Mikau> It's like some kind of anal self-loving fear combination.
#1721 [10:51] <Swordsworn> Hi, just a little nubish question :)
#1722 [10:51] <Swordsworn> where do minecraft execute (save) the save files on linux?
#1723 [10:51] <xorcon> Kealper: yes hwy?
#1724 [10:52] <Kealper> xorcon: that should play it fine :/
#1725 [10:52] <Mikau> I'm guessing it's somewhere in /usr/ to start
#1726 [10:52] <Swordsworn> tanks :)
#1727 [10:52] <Mikau> after that, I'm lost
#1728 [10:52] <Mikau> probably in another folder or two after that
#1729 [10:52] <Swordsworn> i´ll find :)
#1730 [10:52] <Mikau> but I'm sure it starts in /usr/
#1731 [10:52] <xorcon> Kealper: i know, it should xD i think the problem is with java
#1732 [10:53] <Kealper> uhh.... /usr/bin/.minecraft? am i doin it rite?
#1733 [10:53] <Mikau> Try the java updater, xorcon
#1734 [10:53] <Mikau> apparently Mac's come with one
#1735 [10:53] <Mikau> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1338?viewlocale=en_US
#1736 [10:53] <Mikau> That's the most help I can give you on that subject, since I know nothing about mac
#1737 [10:53] <Mikau> but it should be somewhere in there.
#1738 [10:54] <xorcon> Mikau: never seen it, and can't find it, are you sure about it? as far as i know you can only update it using software updates from apple
#1739 [10:54] <Mikau> yeah, but somewhere in the software update area of the mac
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#1741 [10:55] <Mikau> it should mention java, I'm guessing
#1742 [10:55] <Kealper> xorcon: your everything is up to date?
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#1744 [10:56] <slimer> hi guys
#1745 [10:56] <Kealper> ello
#1746 [10:56] <slimer> i am having a problem
#1747 [10:56] <Mikau> There's a possibility maybe it's his minecraft that's the problem.
#1748 [10:56] <slimer> i am running a server with friends
#1749 [10:56] <Mikau> Has he tried deleting the bin folder stuff and had minecraft repatch it?
#1750 [10:56] <slimer> and sometimes a part of map reverts back
#1751 [10:56] <xorcon> Kealper: yes everything updated
#1752 [10:57] <Mikau> I wish I had friends.
#1753 [10:57] <slimer> to the original state
#1754 [10:57] <Mikau> how old is the map, slimer?
#1755 [10:57] <xorcon> MIkau: no software updates does everything by him self no control over it at all
#1756 [10:57] <slimer> hm
#1757 [10:57] <Kealper> Mikau: you can be my friend :O
#1758 [10:57] <slimer> about month
#1759 [10:57] <slimer> but it happens from the start
#1760 [10:57] <slimer> it is written in known bugs
#1761 [10:57] <Mikau> I had a map from waaaay back before health was implemented.
#1762 [10:57] <slimer> that some areas reverts back
#1763 [10:58] <xorcon> all i can do is going to the java preferences but i can't see anything userful to tweal
#1764 [10:58] <xorcon> *tweak
#1765 [10:58] <Mikau> multiplayer alpha map from summer-ish
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#1767 [10:58] <Mikau> and I noticed that it was starting to regenerate areas of the map
#1768 [10:58] <Kealper> slimer: that part of the map is being corrupted,and the server is having to regenerate it
#1769 [10:58] <slimer> how to stop that?
#1770 [10:58] <Mikau> After the beta started.
#1771 [10:59] <Mikau> Minecraft needs a built-in backup feature
#1772 [10:59] <Kealper> are you running any backup tools, or stuff like cartograph?
#1773 [10:59] <Mikau> we have save-all
#1774 [10:59] <slimer> no
#1775 [10:59] <Swordsworn> Kealper: im to dumb ^^... i cant find it... im in usr/bin theres no minecraft ... in the other folders in usr also no minecraft... but its runnig :P
#1776 [10:59] <Swordsworn> but no idea from where O_o
#1777 [10:59] <Mikau> a backup-all would be nice, to just create a duplicate copy of the map.
#1778 [10:59] <slimer> but
#1779 [10:59] <slimer> if it happens during game
#1780 [10:59] <Kealper> Swordsworn: that was actually a shot in the dark, if you give me a few min i can fire up my nix machine and look
#1781 [10:59] <slimer> backup can copy the reverted terrain
#1782 [11:00] <slimer> how could it help me ?
#1783 [11:00] <Swordsworn> Kealper: that would help me a lot :)
#1784 [11:00] <Mikau> the corruption usually happens when the world is shut down / restarted but not gracefully.
#1785 [11:00] <Kealper> ^
#1786 [11:00] <Mikau> Always make sure to use the stop in the console, don't just close it.
#1787 [11:00] <slimer> i know, i started about 2 weeks ago to shut down by stop
#1788 [11:00] <Kealper> it can also be an indicator that your hdd is going bad
#1789 [11:00] <slimer> didnt help
#1790 [11:01] <Kealper> i actually found that out first hand
#1791 [11:01] <Mikau> I'm finding lately that I'm having a lot of client-side missing chunks.
#1792 [11:01] <slimer> i started server today first time after 4 days, and about 6 areas are reverted
#1793 [11:01] <slimer> it is annoying
#1794 [11:01] <Mikau> /tp and using runecraft teleporters sometimes help recover them sometimes
#1795 [11:01] <Mikau> It's odd
#1796 [11:01] <Kealper> i started noticing chunks on my server that were reverting...with increasing frequency....turns out about 2 months later, that machine finnally pooped out :/
#1797 [11:02] <Kealper> Mikau: it's just a clientside update fail of mass proportions
#1798 [11:02] <Mikau> yeah
#1799 [11:02] <Mikau> It's very amusing though
#1800 [11:02] <Mikau> Especially when mining underground and finding one.
#1801 [11:02] <Mikau> Suddenly the whole tunnel lights up like day time, and you look around going "sweet, it's ore!"
#1802 [11:02] <Mikau> and tunnel around the missing chunk digging it all up
#1803 [11:03] <Kealper> lol
#1804 [11:04] <Mikau> This lecturer was supposed to talk about String, StringBuffer, Scanner, Wrapper classes, and Java Coding Convention
#1805 [11:04] <Mikau> in that order.
#1806 [11:04] <Mikau> He just stopped talking about String, and the class ends in like 20 minutes.
#1807 [11:05] <Mikau> Maybe if he stopped spending all his time asking random students "will this if() be true or false"?
#1808 [11:06] <Mikau> We're fourth semester college students, we don't need lectures on if statements.
#1809 [11:06] <Kealper> i can't find where minecraft saves to on linux :/
#1810 [11:07] <Mikau> use the windows key!
#1811 [11:07] <Swordsworn> Kealper: i got it ! its in home/.minecraft but i missed to activate "show hidden" thx anyway :)
#1812 [11:07] <Kealper> lol
#1813 [11:07] <Mikau> Why not /usr/ :(
#1814 [11:07] <Swordsworn> dunno
#1815 [11:07] <Kealper> oh...hidden....that's why it was not in /home/ when i looked -.-
#1816 [11:07] <Mikau> it's in the user on windows
#1817 [11:08] <Mikau> You'd think it would use /usr/ on nix
#1818 [11:08] <Swordsworn> was the logical place for me too but its home strange but thats how it its ^^
#1819 [11:08] <Kealper> wow....showing hidden files in my home folder revealed a ton of crap
#1820 [11:10] <Mikau> When are servers going to update to 1.2_02 :(
#1821 [11:10] <Mikau> I have so much Lapiz Lazuli that I refuse to mine until it updates.
#1822 [11:10] <Kealper> eh?
#1823 [11:10] <Kealper> it probably won't jump to that
#1824 [11:10] <Mikau> 1.2_01 gives 1 blue dye thing / lapiz lazuli
#1825 [11:10] <Mikau> 1.2_02 gives like 6-9 or something
#1826 [11:11] <Kealper> 4-8 i iirc
#1827 [11:11] <Mikau> but only the client is 1.2_02 so only single player
#1828 [11:11] <Kealper> servers only give one?
#1829 [11:11] <Kealper> gay -.-
#1830 [11:11] <Mikau> servers are still 1.2_01 =/
#1831 [11:11] <Kealper> it'll probably give the proper amount in a few weeks when the game is updated again
#1832 [11:16] <Mikau> Still a few weeks?
#1833 [11:16] <Mikau> Are they STILL transfering servers?
#1834 [11:16] <Kealper> no
#1835 [11:16] <Mikau> What are they doing/
#1836 [11:17] <Mikau> There's like 10 twitters between them and no real /development blog/ that they universally post on.
#1837 [11:17] <Kealper> Notch is away right now, and i guess the update was pushed for the client without full knowledge that the droprate was changed in that client version
#1838 [11:17] <Kealper> Jeb knows about it, but does not want to push a server update until Notch is back
#1839 [11:18] <Mikau> What a wuss.
#1840 [11:18] <Kealper> so...they know about the fail...and it'll be fixed as soon as Notch gets back
#1841 [11:18] <Kealper> well it is Notch's game :/
#1842 [11:18] <Mikau> He needs to put on a pirate hat, stand around with his hands on his hips, and take charge.
#1843 [11:19] <Mikau> probably should carry a saber on his belt to
#1844 [11:19] * Kealper just imagined Jeb in a pirate hat and a wooden sword held high
#1844 [11:21] <Mikau> I thought the whole reason for the other developers working with Notch was so that he didn't have to do all the work himself
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#1846 [11:22] <Kealper> he doesn't, but i totally understand where Jeb comes from when he says he would rather not push an update without Notch being there, he may work on it, but it is Notch's game
#1847 [11:24] <Mikau> I have a project called "The Saloon" that I have a few other developers assist me with for minor things.
#1848 [11:24] <Mikau> But I don't shit bricks when they update it. >.>
#1849 [11:24] <Mikau> I'm going home now.
#1850 [11:25] <Kealper> Notch probably wouldn't care much either, but it's more of a respect for the owner of the game thing
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#1856 [11:36] <xorcon> funny thing i've tried the linux version on os x and it runs smoother!
#1857 [11:37] <Pirate-Jake> Hey guys, is there anyway to check who is online when playing minecraft?
#1858 [11:38] <xolotl> Pirate-Jake: If you're on a vanilla server and you're an op, you can use "/list"
#1859 [11:38] <Roenie> !paid Roen82
#1860 [11:38] <Jakob> omg
#1861 [11:38] <Pirate-Jake> and if your not a OP?
#1862 [11:38] <xolotl> Pirate-Jake: If you're on a vanilla server and you're NOT an op, there's no way
#1863 [11:38] <Jakob> AH
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#1865 [11:38] <Pirate-Jake> thanks.
#1866 [11:38] <Pirate-Jake> thats alkward
#1867 [11:38] <xolotl> Pirate-Jake: If you're on a server with a mod, the command might be different ("/playerlist" is common, I think)
#1868 [11:38] <Pirate-Jake> ight
#1869 [11:39] <Jakob> SD"KLFJDKFS
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#1871 [11:39] <_br_> Hi there, just downloaded and ran the Minecraft.jar on Linux here, but I'm stuck with a NullPointerException here is a more verbose output http://pastie.org/1506280 - any ideas, hints what is going on here ? Help is much appreciated...
#1872 [11:39] <Pirate-Jake> Wait
#1873 [11:39] <Pirate-Jake> !paid pirate-jake
#1874 [11:39] <HK> Hello, I can't get Minecraft to work on Ubuntu 10.04 (firefox).
#1875 [11:39] <Pirate-Jake> !paid Azerkatil
#1876 [11:39] <Pirate-Jake> !paid azerkatil
#1877 [11:40] <Pirate-Jake> :3
#1878 [11:41] <GreyVulpine> _br_ - does "ps ax" show any java applications running?
#1879 [11:42] <GreyVulpine> er, ps ax | grep minecraft_server
#1880 [11:42] <_br_> GreyVulpine: jep, mom, trying to kill that and run again...
#1881 [11:43] <_br_> GreyVulpine: After I kill -9'd it, and re-ran, it gives me still the same error, weird.
#1882 [11:43] <GreyVulpine> Huh...
#1883 [11:44] <mbentley> sure you have video drivers installed that support opengl?
#1884 [11:44] <_br_> mbentley: hm, good one, this is a new install lets see if glxgears works, mom
#1885 [11:44] <mbentley> k
#1886 [11:45] <mbentley> love seeing gentoo users. typically means they know what they are talking about :D
#1887 [11:45] <_br_> :)
#1888 [11:45] <mbentley> <- former gentoo user
#1889 [11:45] <_br_> What are you using currently?
#1890 [11:45] <mbentley> debian
#1891 [11:46] <Kealper> <3 debian
#1892 [11:46] <mbentley> i still keep a gentoo vm around but i just don't have time to properly maintain multiple gentoo boxes
#1893 [11:46] <_br_> Ah, I was using that before but got tired of the whole apt pinning stuff.
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#1895 [11:46] <mbentley> yeah, love the ability to choose whatever version you want
#1896 [11:46] <mbentley> the control of gentoo is amazing
#1897 [11:46] <xolotl> heh
#1898 [11:47] <xolotl> As a Gentoo user myself, I would dispute your "typically [knowing] what they are talking about" claim.
#1899 [11:47] <xolotl> :)
#1900 [11:47] <_br_> mbentley: maintaining gentoo takes time that so true... but I kinda don't want to go back anymore at least for desktop
#1901 [11:47] <_br_> xolotl: Have some good stories?
#1902 [11:47] <xolotl> Though perhaps it's more true now than it was five years ago
#1903 [11:48] <mbentley> xolotl: i was saying compared to the typical linux user that comes in here with questions
#1904 [11:48] <mbentley> :D
#1905 [11:49] * Kealper hates that linux is becoming more mainstream
#1905 [11:50] <Kealper> osx/windows is geared to handle stupid users, linux is not...so people switch to stuff like Ubuntu and can't even install programs....
#1906 [11:51] <mbentley> at least compiling doesn't take very long with quad core cpus these days...
#1907 [11:52] <Kealper> oh gosh, compiling
#1908 [11:52] <mbentley> lol
#1909 [11:53] <_br_> Kealper: Isn't that the whole point of ubuntu?
#1910 [11:53] <Kealper> it tries too hard to be user-friendly
#1911 [11:54] <mbentley> i really can't stand to use ubuntu... too fisher price
#1912 [11:54] <Kealper> yeah :/
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#1914 [11:55] <_br_> I was so suprised when I first installed ubuntu long ago, it didn't even allow to switch to F1 terminal... after that I never touched it again. Did it get better ? :D
#1915 [11:55] <Kealper> it was cool back it like versions 7-8, but especially with 10.x....it's so stupid
#1916 [11:55] <mbentley> it has kitchen sink syndrome :(
#1917 [11:55] * Kealper likes Mint Debian
#1917 [11:55] <mbentley> i still haven't tried mint debian
#1918 [11:55] <Kealper> the awesomeness of Debian wrapped up in a mint-colored Gnome :O
#1919 [11:56] <mbentley> mmm minty
#1920 [11:56] <Pirate-Jake> GRRGR
#1921 [11:56] <Pirate-Jake> i fuxing hate creepers
#1922 [11:56] <_br_> mint-colored gnome :D nice
#1923 [11:56] <Kealper> and it's still got their epic Software Manger thing, which is a gui wrapper for apt
#1924 [11:57] <_br_> all that eye candy is fine but I kinda like the speed of tiling wm's e.g. awesome..
#1925 [11:57] <Kealper> quite nice, has user comments and ratings for all the packages, so you can actually tell if that is what you want or not
#1926 [11:58] <_br_> Hmpf. Glx, opengl, mesa everything works fine.
#1927 [12:03] <_br_> Are there other builds of minecraft ala stable/unstable I could check?
#1928 [12:03] <Kealper> not yet
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#1930 [12:04] <_br_> Hm, ok then lets try to meddle with lwjgl, maybe that's the problem...
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#1932 [12:06] <Kealper> LOL
#1933 [12:07] <Kealper> "Windows guy tries Unix"
#1934 [12:07] <Kealper> http://imgur.com/a/nFzgS
#1935 [12:07] <Kealper> i totally do this one all the time -.- http://i.imgur.com/Cld5h.jpg
#1936 [12:07] <mbentley> haha
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#1938 [12:08] <mbentley> we have some boxes here at work where you have to change permissions to copy files as there are cron jobs that change them back for security reasons...
#1939 [12:08] <mbentley> he meant to do a chmod -R 777 ./ but he forgot the .
#1940 [12:08] <_br_> hehe
#1941 [12:09] <mbentley> had to do a bare metal restore lol
#1942 [12:11] <_br_> Do you know this funny story? http://lug.wsu.edu/node/414 "*THE* classic Unix horror story"
#1943 [12:12] <Kealper> oh gosh....the first line....i'd nerdrage so hard
#1944 [12:13] <gerzel> Does it matter if a portal has all its corners or not?
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#1946 [12:14] <GreyVulpine> gerzel - Doesn't matter
#1947 [12:15] <GreyVulpine> And yeah, I've seen that story from waay back
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#1950 [12:18] <GreyVulpine> [12:16.09pm] <+GreyVulpine> Hey jeb, for email addresses, do you use support@mojang.com for actual customer support, or is it just for bug reports?
#1951 [12:18] <GreyVulpine> [12:16.56pm] <@jeb> i have 30,000 unread mail in support@mojang.com
#1952 [12:19] <GreyVulpine> Holy geebus
#1953 [12:19] <_br_> omg.
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#1955 [12:20] <_br_> is he doing this completely alone?
#1956 [12:20] <GreyVulpine> Good god, I hope not
#1957 [12:20] <GreyVulpine> payment@mojang, support@mojang, daniel@mojang I suspect are being hit hard
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#1959 [12:21] <_br_> hope he's using mutt :]
#1960 [12:21] <GreyVulpine> And I would make an educated guess that markus and notch@mojang are just full
#1961 [12:24] <_br_> I suppose that is really bad for the business... :(
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#1966 [12:39] <serverhelpplease> hey can someone help me please
#1967 [12:40] <GreyVulpine> With?
#1968 [12:40] <serverhelpplease> server setup lol
#1969 [12:40] <GreyVulpine> What about it?
#1970 [12:40] <serverhelpplease> ive got windows 7
#1971 [12:40] <serverhelpplease> and it wont damn work....
#1972 [12:41] <Swordsworn> well to make it clear you downloaded the serverfile from minecraft.net execute it and nothing happen?
#1973 [12:41] <serverhelpplease> yep
#1974 [12:41] <Swordsworn> x64 or x84 W7?
#1975 [12:41] <serverhelpplease> just comes up saying "java" isnt an file or something
#1976 [12:42] <serverhelpplease> 64
#1977 [12:42] <HK> Did you try installing java?
#1978 [12:42] <serverhelpplease> yep got latest version
#1979 [12:42] <Swordsworn> and if yes do you have the 64bit version (important x64build)
#1980 [12:43] <serverhelpplease> "java is not reconised as an internal or outternal command
#1981 [12:43] <serverhelpplease> yes
#1982 [12:43] <GreyVulpine> You need to most likely add java as an environment variable
#1983 [12:43] <serverhelpplease> huh?
#1984 [12:43] <GreyVulpine> I can walk you through that process
#1985 [12:43] <serverhelpplease> please
#1986 [12:43] <GreyVulpine> Pull up your control panel, look for the java app
#1987 [12:44] <serverhelpplease> hold on a sec...
#1988 [12:44] <serverhelpplease> got it
#1989 [12:45] <serverhelpplease> whats next?
#1990 [12:45] <GreyVulpine> java tab at the top
#1991 [12:45] <GreyVulpine> Click on the "View" button
#1992 [12:45] <serverhelpplease> i think im on the wrong thing...
#1993 [12:45] <GreyVulpine> java tab at the top?
#1994 [12:46] <serverhelpplease> go on controll panel...
#1995 [12:46] <GreyVulpine> Yup
#1996 [12:46] <GreyVulpine> Are you on classic view?
#1997 [12:46] <serverhelpplease> then on programs??
#1998 [12:46] <serverhelpplease> no dont think so
#1999 [12:46] <GreyVulpine> no
#2000 [12:46] <GreyVulpine> Switch to classic view
#2001 [12:47] <serverhelpplease> sorry dont know how to do that...
#2002 [12:47] <GreyVulpine> Um
#2003 [12:47] <GreyVulpine> Is there an option in the upper left?
#2004 [12:48] <serverhelpplease> wait something just happened when i did something lol
#2005 [12:48] <serverhelpplease> C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jre6\bin\java.exe
#2006 [12:48] <serverhelpplease> just clicked on that
#2007 [12:48] <GreyVulpine> Okay great
#2008 [12:48] <GreyVulpine> That's what I was looking for
#2009 [12:48] <serverhelpplease> oh lol
#2010 [12:48] <GreyVulpine> Close that
#2011 [12:49] <GreyVulpine> Go to your start menu
#2012 [12:49] <GreyVulpine> right click on "Computer"
#2013 [12:49] <GreyVulpine> go to properties
#2014 [12:49] <serverhelpplease> yep
#2015 [12:49] <GreyVulpine> Do you see an advanced tab?
#2016 [12:49] <GreyVulpine> Or a "advanced system settings" link
#2017 [12:49] <serverhelpplease> ok
#2018 [12:50] <serverhelpplease> got it.
#2019 [12:50] <GreyVulpine> Now, button labeled "environment variables'
#2020 [12:50] <serverhelpplease> yep
#2021 [12:50] <GreyVulpine> bottom panel is system variables
#2022 [12:50] <GreyVulpine> Look for a "path" label
#2023 [12:50] <GreyVulpine> copy paste the contents of the path variable here
#2024 [12:50] <serverhelpplease> path....
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#2026 [12:51] <serverhelpplease> C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Windows Live;C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Windows Live;C:\Program Files (x86)\NVIDIA Corporation\PhysX\Common;%SystemRoot%\system32;%SystemRoot%;%SystemRoot%\System32\Wbem;%SYSTEMROOT%\System32\WindowsPowerShell\v1.0\;C:\Program Files (x86)\Universal Extractor;C:\Program Files (x86)\Univer
#2027 [12:51] <GreyVulpine> Yup
#2028 [12:51] <serverhelpplease> next
#2029 [12:51] <GreyVulpine> Do you see how each path is seperated by semicolons
#2030 [12:51] <GreyVulpine> (;)
#2031 [12:51] <GreyVulpine> At the very end, what you're going to add is this
#2032 [12:51] <serverhelpplease> yea
#2033 [12:52] <GreyVulpine> ;C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jre6\bin\
#2034 [12:52] <GreyVulpine> semicolon, followed by no space
#2035 [12:52] <daveeeeeeee> the game keeps crashing about 5 minutes in, it happens with both versions of the launcher, any ideas what could cause it?
#2036 [12:52] <serverhelpplease> done
#2037 [12:52] <GreyVulpine> then the path
#2038 [12:52] <GreyVulpine> without the javaw.exe
#2039 [12:52] <GreyVulpine> Once you have that, close it
#2040 [12:52] <serverhelpplease> C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Windows Live;C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Windows Live;C:\Program Files (x86)\NVIDIA Corporation\PhysX\Common;%SystemRoot%\system32;%SystemRoot%;%SystemRoot%\System32\Wbem;%SYSTEMROOT%\System32\WindowsPowerShell\v1.0\;C:\Program Files (x86)\Universal Extractor;C:\Program Files (x86)\Univer
#2041 [12:52] <GreyVulpine> yeah, it cuts out
#2042 [12:52] <GreyVulpine> Too long for one IRC line
#2043 [12:52] <serverhelpplease> oh
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#2045 [12:53] <GreyVulpine> But you're good now
#2046 [12:53] <GreyVulpine> Open up a cmd prompt
#2047 [12:53] <GreyVulpine> start -> "cmd"
#2048 [12:53] <serverhelpplease> sory what do i do after the code bit
#2049 [12:53] <GreyVulpine> java -version
#2050 [12:53] <GreyVulpine> code bit?
#2051 [12:53] <serverhelpplease> dont worry
#2052 [12:53] <serverhelpplease> found it
#2053 [12:53] <serverhelpplease> lol
#2054 [12:54] <GreyVulpine> Okay
#2055 [12:54] <GreyVulpine> You can close that environment variables now
#2056 [12:54] <HK> Hey :)
#2057 [12:54] <serverhelpplease> yep
#2058 [12:54] <GreyVulpine> serverhelpplease - Now, can you open up a cmd prompt
#2059 [12:54] <serverhelpplease> opened
#2060 [12:54] <GreyVulpine> type in: java -version
#2061 [12:54] <serverhelpplease> note happened
#2062 [12:55] <GreyVulpine> should no longer give you java is an unrecognized file or command
#2063 [12:55] <serverhelpplease> "java is not reconised etc
#2064 [12:55] <fogwraith> If the terminal was open to begin with, you need to close and open again
#2065 [12:55] <GreyVulpine> ^
#2066 [12:55] <serverhelpplease> ill try the enviroment varibles again....
#2067 [12:56] <GreyVulpine> Copy only the last part of the environment variables part here
#2068 [12:56] <GreyVulpine> just to make sure you put it in correctly
#2069 [12:57] <serverhelpplease> (x86)\QuickTime\QTSystem\;C:\Program Files (x86)\Windows Live\Shared
#2070 [12:57] <DopeGhoti> all those 32-bit programs in the PATH might be exceeding the maximum allowed length of the variable.
#2071 [12:58] <serverhelpplease> stillnot working....
#2072 [12:58] <fogwraith> Let Grey remote in and have a look :)
#2073 [12:59] <HK> You can try it by using the full directory to it, maybe.
#2074 [12:59] <serverhelpplease> C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Windows Live;C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Windows Live;C:\Program Files (x86)\NVIDIA Corporation\PhysX\Common;%SystemRoot%\system32;%SystemRoot%;%SystemRoot%\System32\Wbem;%SYSTEMROOT%\System32\WindowsPowerShell\v1.0\;C:\Program Files (x86)\Universal Extractor;C:\Program Files (x86)\Univer
#2075 [12:59] <GreyVulpine> Annd, that's the last part?
#2076 [12:59] <GreyVulpine> Copy only the last path you have in there
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#2078 [13:00] <supermole> hello
#2079 [13:00] <serverhelpplease> System32\Wbem;%SYSTEMROOT%\System32\WindowsPowerShell\v1.0\;C:\Program Files (x86)\Universal Extractor;C:\Program Files (x86)\Universal Extractor\bin;C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Ulead Systems\MPEG;C:\Program Files (x86)\QuickTime\QTSystem\;C:\Program Files (x86)\Windows Live\Shared
#2080 [13:00] <serverhelpplease> there
#2081 [13:01] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, I don't see java in there
#2082 [13:01] <GreyVulpine> did you not add it?
#2083 [13:01] <serverhelpplease> added it
#2084 [13:01] <GreyVulpine> ;C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jre6\bin\ ?
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#2086 [13:01] <DopeGhoti> Your PATH is probably too long for cmd.exe to handle
#2087 [13:01] <serverhelpplease> so what i do?
#2088 [13:01] <DopeGhoti> from MSKB: "Even though the Win32 limitation for environment variables is 32,767 characters, Command Prompt ignores any environment variables that are inherited from the parent process and are longer than its own limitations of either 2047 or 8191 characters (as appropriate to the operating system)."
#2089 [13:01] <serverhelpplease> wait ive had a brainstorm
#2090 [13:02] <DopeGhoti> Call the java binary explicitly
#2091 [13:02] <HK> That's what I said :)
#2092 [13:02] <supermole> i was wondering if anyone could help me with a problem?
#2093 [13:02] <HK> supermole: Ask it :)
#2094 [13:02] <serverhelpplease> ive got it!!!
#2095 [13:02] <DopeGhoti> supermole: only if you state its nature.
#2096 [13:02] <serverhelpplease> the start server file is this
#2097 [13:02] <serverhelpplease> @echo off java -Xms512M -Xmx512M -cp minecraft-server.jar com.mojang.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer pause
#2098 [13:03] <supermole> i open the launcher it downloads some files then black screeb abd crashs
#2099 [13:03] <serverhelpplease> so if i change it to this... @echo off C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jre6\bin\ -Xms512M -Xmx512M -cp minecraft-server.jar com.mojang.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer pause
#2100 [13:03] <fogwraith> Wrong, but close
#2101 [13:04] <serverhelpplease> wait...
#2102 [13:04] <serverhelpplease> it just came up and flashed and went back down...
#2103 [13:04] <daveeeeeeee> Can I get some help? The game crashed consistently after a few minutes, It happens with bothe launchers from mc.net
#2104 [13:04] <DopeGhoti> serverhelpplease: after "\bin\" add "java" and you're set
#2105 [13:04] <DopeGhoti> that's what I meant my explicitly calling Java.
#2106 [13:04] <fogwraith> DopeGhoti: it will cut off after Program there
#2107 [13:04] <fogwraith> ;P
#2108 [13:04] <DopeGhoti> (also, put double-quotes around the path)
#2109 [13:05] <serverhelpplease> still not working arrr
#2110 [13:05] <HK> serverhelpplease: What did you change it too?
#2111 [13:06] <fogwraith> serverhelpplease: would you like for me to remote in and attempt to help you out with this?
#2112 [13:06] <serverhelpplease> @echo off C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jre6\bin\java -Xms512M -Xmx512M -cp minecraft-server.jar com.mojang.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer pause
#2113 [13:06] <HK> @echo off "C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jre6\bin\java" -Xms512M -Xmx512M -cp minecraft-server.jar com.mojang.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer pause
#2114 [13:06] <serverhelpplease> romote in....
#2115 [13:06] <HK> I think that should work.
#2116 [13:07] <HK> But I could be wrong.
#2117 [13:07] <DopeGhoti> serverhelpplease: http://pastebin.com/zEBKxcGT
#2118 [13:07] <HK> Won't hurt to try though. :)
#2119 [13:08] <daveeeeeeee> ....
#2120 [13:08] <serverhelpplease> something happeneing
#2121 [13:08] <serverhelpplease> yes!!!!
#2122 [13:08] <HK> Lol. :)
#2123 [13:08] <serverhelpplease> need to send a screen shot somhow...
#2124 [13:08] <fogwraith> daveeeeeeee: what does it say when it crashes?
#2125 [13:09] <HK> Is the person I spoke to earlier here atm?
#2126 [13:09] <serverhelpplease> HK
#2127 [13:09] <HK> Yes.. ?
#2128 [13:09] <serverhelpplease> can i send you this screen shot to see if its right
#2129 [13:10] <HK> Send it to the channel.
#2130 [13:10] <serverhelpplease> how...
#2131 [13:11] <HK> Eehm, I'm sure someone else can help you much better.
#2132 [13:11] <HK> I'm here for getting support, too :)
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#2134 [13:12] <Kealper> dangit!
#2135 [13:12] <fogwraith> Kealper you dog ;P
#2136 [13:13] <HK> serverhelpplease: Just upload it to a image host if you know how.
#2137 [13:13] <HK> And then share the url here.
#2138 [13:13] <serverhelpplease> how do i change the server address???
#2139 [13:13] <GuluGulu> after 3 days wondering i map i found my way back home lol
#2140 [13:13] <fogwraith> You don't need to, serverhelpplease
#2141 [13:13] <fogwraith> Find your external IP through whatsmyip.org
#2142 [13:13] <serverhelpplease> it says this ones already in use...
#2143 [13:13] <fogwraith> If you set it in the properties, remove it
#2144 [13:14] <fogwraith> And if you have multiple servers open, it will complain that it's in use (the port)
#2145 [13:14] <Kealper> typed /server instead of /connect
#2146 [13:14] <Kealper> really...really...
#2147 [13:14] <Kealper> brb -.-
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#2149 [13:15] <Kealper> i ninja'd that so hard
#2150 [13:15] <serverhelpplease> i dont whant to soung bad but its now saying other stuff lol
#2151 [13:15] <GuluGulu> is it posible to have spider spawn in your house ??
#2152 [13:15] <fogwraith> Whats it saying?
#2153 [13:15] <fogwraith> GuluGulu: depends
#2154 [13:15] <Kealper> i really have to figure out why i can't keep a connection to any of this network's California leaves
#2155 [13:15] <fogwraith> I've had worse things than a spider in my house (creeper)
#2156 [13:15] <serverhelpplease> wait it seems to have fixed itself
#2157 [13:16] <GuluGulu> it's based house matirials ?
#2158 [13:16] <GuluGulu> i mean on what u have build it ?
#2159 [13:16] <fogwraith> No idea ;P
#2160 [13:16] <GuluGulu> in case there is some dirst on some spots there is a chance on that blocks to have spider spawn..
#2161 [13:16] <serverhelpplease> setting up
#2162 [13:17] <serverhelpplease> loading level
#2163 [13:17] <serverhelpplease> now accepting imput on ......
#2164 [13:17] <HK> Cool, I can see when he types.
#2165 [13:18] <HK> Eeh, sorry offtopic.
#2166 [13:18] <serverhelpplease> what does this failed to load main class manifest attribute from *file*
#2167 [13:19] <DopeGhoti> GuluGulu: hostile creature spawning is based on light level, not matierial.
#2168 [13:19] <GuluGulu> then torch's it is :P
#2169 [13:19] <fogwraith> serverhelpplease: change it from -cp minecraft-server.jar com.mojang.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer to -jar minecraft_server.jar
#2170 [13:19] <fogwraith> or whatever your server file is called
#2171 [13:19] <fogwraith> See if that helps
#2172 [13:20] <serverhelpplease> server file???
#2173 [13:20] <HK> The .jar file.
#2174 [13:21] <serverhelpplease> dont have a .jar file
#2175 [13:21] <serverhelpplease> i do...
#2176 [13:21] <serverhelpplease> but its not called -cp minecraft-server.jar com.mojang.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer
#2177 [13:22] <HK> Lol.
#2178 [13:22] <fogwraith> It's inside your launcher file?
#2179 [13:22] <HK> You need to replace that text in your .bat file.
#2180 [13:23] <serverhelpplease> what???
#2181 [13:23] <serverhelpplease> im i missing a file or something???
#2182 [13:25] <serverhelpplease> minecraft-server file???
#2183 [13:25] <HK> http://pastebin.com/SEpw1ZTz
#2184 [13:25] <HK> Wait, sorry.
#2185 [13:25] <HK> That's wrong.
#2186 [13:26] <serverhelpplease> ok can you change it???
#2187 [13:26] <serverhelpplease> because ive already changed it : (
#2188 [13:26] <HK> I think that this is what he meant. http://pastebin.com/pBqCnJDq
#2189 [13:27] <HK> Right, fogwraith?
#2190 [13:27] <fogwraith> Lets see
#2191 [13:27] <fogwraith> Yeah
#2192 [13:27] <serverhelpplease> did not work... just got worse
#2193 [13:28] <HK> What did it say?
#2194 [13:28] <fogwraith> Hrm
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#2196 [13:28] <serverhelpplease> failed to load main class manifest attribute
#2197 [13:29] <HK> What's worse about that? :S
#2198 [13:29] <HK> That's what it said before too, right?
#2199 [13:29] <serverhelpplease> last time stuff happened
#2200 [13:29] <serverhelpplease> nope
#2201 [13:30] <fogwraith> serverhelpplease: check that private message I sent you
#2202 [13:30] <HK> :/
#2203 [13:31] <HK> Well, anyway. I need some help with my classic (free version) client.
#2204 [13:31] <HK> I got a errorlog from it that might be of some help.
#2205 [13:31] <HK> For my own problem I mean.
#2206 [13:31] <HK> http://pastebin.com/uUyD0fiY
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#2208 [13:32] <bobd0le> hey guys
#2209 [13:32] <bobd0le> i cant remember my account name
#2210 [13:32] <bobd0le> and it says it doesnt recognise any accounts via my email
#2211 [13:32] <GreyVulpine> And you paid for a premium account?
#2212 [13:32] <bobd0le> even though ive only got 3 email accounts and it wont pickup an account on any of them :x
#2213 [13:32] <bobd0le> wat do?
#2214 [13:32] <bobd0le> yeah, i bought the game last year, october
#2215 [13:33] <bobd0le> got a paypal receipt for it
#2216 [13:33] <GreyVulpine> I'd send an email to daniel@mojang.com with payment ID and a short description of your problem.
#2217 [13:33] <bobd0le> daniel? not support?
#2218 [13:33] <GreyVulpine> Lemme give you a short except from a conversation I had earlier
#2219 [13:33] <GreyVulpine> [12:16.09pm] <+GreyVulpine> Hey jeb, for email addresses, do you use support@mojang.com for actual customer support, or is it just for bug reports?
#2220 [13:33] <GreyVulpine> [12:16.56pm] <@jeb> i have 30,000 unread mail in support@mojang.com
#2221 [13:34] <HK> Haha.
#2222 [13:34] <bobd0le> lmao
#2223 [13:34] <DopeGhoti> bobdzeole, any relation to the failed presidential candidate?
#2224 [13:34] <bobd0le> i sent one to support
#2225 [13:34] <bobd0le> i'll forward it to daniel
#2226 [13:34] <GreyVulpine> <@jeb> you will have better luck emailing daniel directly at daniel@mojang.com
#2227 [13:34] * GreyVulpine nods
#2227 [13:34] <bobd0le> no, im secretly ronpaul
#2228 [13:35] <Pirate-Jake> is the minecraft site down for anyone else?
#2229 [13:35] <bobd0le> up for me
#2230 [13:35] <Pirate-Jake> Damn it
#2231 [13:35] <HK> Up here
#2232 [13:35] <Pirate-Jake> nevermind
#2233 [13:35] <Pirate-Jake> its not letting me change my skin
#2234 [13:35] <bobd0le> also, if i have to repurchase, do i still get all the future upgrades for free?
#2235 [13:35] <GreyVulpine> !isdown minecraft.net
#2236 [13:35] <GreyBot> GreyVulpine: It's just you. http://minecraft.net is up.
#2237 [13:35] <GreyVulpine> Yes bobd0le
#2238 [13:35] <Pirate-Jake> 500 Servlet Exception
#2239 [13:35] <Pirate-Jake> [show] java.lang.NullPointerException
#2240 [13:35] <bobd0le> im rather tempted to just rebuy it
#2241 [13:35] <HK> O_O
#2242 [13:36] <HK> Pirate-Jake: I got one of those :P
#2243 [13:36] <DopeGhoti> Pirate-Jake: Classic?
#2244 [13:36] <HK> In my client that is.
#2245 [13:37] <Pirate-Jake> classic?
#2246 [13:37] <Pirate-Jake> I got it on the website
#2247 [13:37] <Pirate-Jake> when i tried to change my skin
#2248 [13:37] <DopeGhoti> ah
#2249 [13:38] <Pirate-Jake> !paid Azerkatil
#2250 [13:38] <Pirate-Jake> best $20 i ever spent
#2251 [13:38] <DopeGhoti> Heh, I only paid $13.
#2252 [13:38] <GreyVulpine> You're changing it on your profile page, at minecraft.net?
#2253 [13:38] <Pirate-Jake> yerp
#2254 [13:38] <DopeGhoti> Well, $26 since I'm sitting on an Alpha gift code.
#2255 [13:38] * GreyVulpine tests on his end
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#2256 [13:39] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, changing skins works for me
#2257 [13:39] <DopeGhoti> Good morning, rzerow.
#2258 [13:39] <Pirate-Jake> odd.
#2259 [13:40] <Pirate-Jake> i'l try it again later
#2260 [13:40] <HK> So, eehm. Can anyone help me with that?
#2261 [13:40] <GreyVulpine> You might have hit a bad server in the cluster..
#2262 [13:40] <GreyVulpine> Pirate-Jake - Is that the full error you get when trying to change a skin?>
#2263 [13:41] <Pirate-Jake> i'l send you the full error in pm
#2264 [13:41] <GreyVulpine> pastebin.com it
#2265 [13:41] <GreyVulpine> please
#2266 [13:41] <Pirate-Jake> will do
#2267 [13:41] <bobd0le> cba, i'll buy a new account - just consider it more donations to the wonderful game
#2268 [13:43] <HK> I would get your old one back and buy the game again for someone you think will like it :D
#2269 [13:44] <Postoffice> ^this
#2270 [13:44] <Roenie> login trouble again ffs
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#2272 [13:45] <HK> Can someone help me with http://pastebin.com/uUyD0fiY ?
#2273 [13:46] <GreyVulpine> Trying to play classic?
#2274 [13:46] <HK> Yeah.
#2275 [13:46] * GreyVulpine checks to see if minecraft classic has been fixed yet
#2275 [13:46] <GreyVulpine> Past few days, nobody's been able to get onto classic
#2276 [13:46] <Pirate-Jake> now its just been a jerk ;p
#2277 [13:47] <HK> I hope that's the problem then.
#2278 [13:47] <Postoffice> i sjut logged in to classic
#2279 [13:47] <Postoffice> just*
#2280 [13:47] <Postoffice> but laggy ass hell
#2281 [13:48] <HK> !up
#2282 [13:48] <HK> !up minecraft.net
#2283 [13:48] <Postoffice> and there i got disconected
#2284 [13:48] <HK> !isdown minecraft.net
#2285 [13:48] <GreyBot> HK: It's not just you! http://minecraft.net looks down from here.
#2286 [13:48] <HK> I knew it.
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#2288 [13:51] <HK> Yay, the page loaded.
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#2290 [13:59] <HK> GreyVulpine: Did you find out if that was the problem?
#2291 [14:01] <GreyVulpine> Sorry, nope
#2292 [14:01] <serverhelpplease> Guess what?
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#2294 [14:02] <bobd0le> bah
#2295 [14:02] <bobd0le> since this is a new comp, just realised i havent got java, so i cant run mc :p
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#2298 [14:07] <DopeGhoti> bobdzerole: so, uh.. install Java?
#2299 [14:07] <DopeGhoti> serverhelpplease: No. Tell us.
#2300 [14:12] * xales pokes Kealper
#2300 [14:12] * Kealper pokes back
#2300 [14:12] <xales> Kealper: Need some help with something >.>
#2301 [14:12] <Kealper> ok, with what?
#2302 [14:12] <xales> I may have found a bug with mob spawning
#2303 [14:13] <HK> So nobody knows how to fix http://pastebin.com/uUyD0fiY ? :(
#2304 [14:13] <Kealper> O.o
#2305 [14:13] <Kealper> kevin@x-13ea5a01c0d24:~$ chromium-browser
#2306 [14:13] <xales> HK: It looks like you didn't allow permission for the applet to run
#2307 [14:13] <xales> Kealper: Come on the shadow-craft server, I'll show you what I did
#2308 [14:13] <Kealper> chmod 777 it, like a boss
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#2311 [14:21] <HK> xales: Huh?
#2312 [14:21] <HK> How would I do that?
#2313 [14:21] <xales> HK: It should prompt you, or possibly a setting
#2314 [14:21] <HK> Hmm, ok.
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#2316 [14:29] <joelos> hey, I was wondering if I could get some help?
#2317 [14:30] <GreyVulpine> With?
#2318 [14:30] <joelos> game consistently crashes a few minutes in using either of the 2 official launchers from mc.net
#2319 [14:31] <GreyVulpine> Crash report?
#2320 [14:32] <joelos> not getting one, I FC as soon as it locks up
#2321 [14:32] <GreyVulpine> FC
#2322 [14:32] <GreyVulpine> ?
#2323 [14:32] <joelos> force close
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#2325 [14:33] <GreyVulpine> I see...
#2326 [14:33] <tom> Hello?
#2327 [14:33] <GreyVulpine> 'lo gov'na
#2328 [14:33] <tom> Can anyone help me with the 'bad driver' with minecraft
#2329 [14:33] <joelos> It doesn't happen with a different launcher I torrented
#2330 [14:33] <GreyVulpine> What "bad driver"?
#2331 [14:34] <GreyVulpine> Can you pastebin.com the error?
#2332 [14:34] <tomtom> When i load minecraft it says bad driver
#2333 [14:34] <tomtom> oki
#2334 [14:34] <GreyVulpine> And did you pay for minecraft?
#2335 [14:34] <tomtom> Ye
#2336 [14:34] <tomtom> when in alpha
#2337 [14:34] <GreyVulpine> minecraft name?
#2338 [14:34] <tomtom> my pc is also win 7
#2339 [14:34] <tomtom> tomwhite96
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#2341 [14:34] <GreyVulpine> !paid tomwhite96
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#2343 [14:34] <tomtom> soz
#2344 [14:34] <tomtom> lol
#2345 [14:35] <joelos> @ tom, download cpuz get your Graphics card details, got the their site and download the latest driver for your card
#2346 [14:35] <tomtom> right
#2347 [14:35] <tomtom> cpuz
#2348 [14:35] <tomtom> whats the link?
#2349 [14:35] <joelos> 1 sec
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#2351 [14:35] <joelos> http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html
#2352 [14:35] <tomtom> how i find my graphics card details
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#2354 [14:35] <GreyVulpine> Don't really need cpuz
#2355 [14:36] <GreyVulpine> You can use dxdiag
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#2357 [14:36] <Dudeio> Hello
#2358 [14:36] <tomtom> how i find my card details
#2359 [14:36] <tomtom> -.-
#2360 [14:36] <Dudeio> Could I get somehelp with hosting?
#2361 [14:36] <GreyVulpine> tomtom - Go to your start menu
#2362 [14:36] <tomtom> ye
#2363 [14:36] <GreyVulpine> type in "dxdiag" in your search bar/run command
#2364 [14:36] <Dudeio> After the Beta I couldn't get it started
#2365 [14:36] <GreyVulpine> go to your display tab
#2366 [14:36] <joelos> yeah but cpuz is just running 1 program to get the info
#2367 [14:36] <joelos> dxdiag takes time
#2368 [14:36] <tomtom> k
#2369 [14:36] <tomtom> its a X icon right
#2370 [14:36] <GreyVulpine> But everybody who runs windows, has dxdiag
#2371 [14:36] <Dudeio> windows + r dxdiag
#2372 [14:37] <Dudeio> hold windows button and press r
#2373 [14:37] <joelos> true
#2374 [14:37] <tomtom> And what am i looking for
#2375 [14:37] <tomtom> processor?
#2376 [14:37] <tomtom> lol
#2377 [14:37] <GreyVulpine> card model
#2378 [14:37] <GreyVulpine> manufacturer/name
#2379 [14:37] <Dudeio> There are tabs
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#2381 [14:37] <GreyVulpine> in the display tab at the top
#2382 [14:37] <tomtom> Manufacter Acer
#2383 [14:37] <Dudeio> Could I get some help with hosting~~<3?
#2384 [14:38] <GreyVulpine> Dudeio - Just tell us what your problem is
#2385 [14:38] <GreyVulpine> Don't ask to ask
#2386 [14:38] <Dudeio> Sorry
#2387 [14:38] <tomtom> NVIDIA
#2388 [14:38] <tomtom> Is that it
#2389 [14:38] <Dudeio> I think it's my portforwarding problem
#2390 [14:38] <GreyVulpine> tomtom, yes
#2391 [14:38] <GreyVulpine> nvidia what
#2392 [14:38] <tomtom> So i go to that site and enrer NVIDIA
#2393 [14:38] <GreyVulpine> nvidia is a brand
#2394 [14:38] <tomtom> k
#2395 [14:38] <GreyVulpine> anything else more specific?
#2396 [14:38] <GreyVulpine> what model is the card itself?
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#2398 [14:39] <tomtom> GeForce 9500 GS
#2399 [14:39] <tomtom> Is that it
#2400 [14:39] <tomtom> lol
#2401 [14:39] <GreyVulpine> Yup
#2402 [14:39] <GreyVulpine> That's it
#2403 [14:39] <tomtom> Im on site
#2404 [14:39] <GreyVulpine> Now go to nvidia.com
#2405 [14:39] <tomtom> where do i go
#2406 [14:39] <tomtom> lol
#2407 [14:39] <tomtom> oki
#2408 [14:39] <GreyVulpine> look up support
#2409 [14:39] <GreyVulpine> download drivers
#2410 [14:39] <GreyVulpine> And download the one for that card, and your windows version
#2411 [14:39] <Dudeio> It might be that his Direct 3D is not on
#2412 [14:40] <tomtom> i got it
#2413 [14:40] <tomtom> lol
#2414 [14:40] <GreyVulpine> minecraft doesn't use direct3d
#2415 [14:40] <Dudeio> Under where you see the card manufacturer and type etc etc there should be a window where it says if Direct---
#2416 [14:40] <Dudeio> 'Kay
#2417 [14:40] <Dudeio> There are others there too
#2418 [14:40] <GreyVulpine> Dudeio - can you tell me what problem you have with port forwarding?
#2419 [14:41] <Dudeio> When I checked the router page like after the beta, not saying that the beta has anything to do with it, just when I discovered it
#2420 [14:41] <tomtom> urm
#2421 [14:41] <Dudeio> It wasn't there anymore
#2422 [14:41] <Dudeio> So I think I'd have to do it again
#2423 [14:41] <tomtom> wait
#2424 [14:41] <Dudeio> I'm just not sure exactly what to do, I type my IP address I get from CMD when I type ipconfig
#2425 [14:41] <tomtom> on the X logo thingy
#2426 [14:42] <Dudeio> I select my computer
#2427 [14:42] <tomtom> it says i got direct3d enabled
#2428 [14:42] <tomtom> is that why it not working?
#2429 [14:42] <tomtom> or no
#2430 [14:42] <GreyVulpine> No
#2431 [14:42] <tomtom> ;p
#2432 [14:42] <tomtom> k]
#2433 [14:42] <GreyVulpine> You need to redownload and install updated drivers
#2434 [14:42] <Dudeio> And I'm not sure what ports I should use
#2435 [14:42] <GreyVulpine> 25565/TCP
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#2438 [14:43] <tomtom> right
#2439 [14:43] <tomtom> so i downloaded it
#2440 [14:43] <tomtom> now what
#2441 [14:43] <GreyVulpine> install?
#2442 [14:43] <tomtom> its downloading
#2443 [14:43] <tomtom> but then what
#2444 [14:43] <tomtom> after installing
#2445 [14:43] <tomtom> activate or something?
#2446 [14:43] <GreyVulpine> once you install it, try minecraft again
#2447 [14:43] <tomtom> oki
#2448 [14:44] <tomtom> ty ill try now
#2449 [14:44] <tomtom> let it download
#2450 [14:44] <tomtom> ;p
#2451 [14:44] <tomtom> Ive tried tones of things bh
#2452 [14:44] <tomtom> tbh
#2453 [14:44] <tomtom> ;p
#2454 [14:44] <Dudeio> Just TCP?
#2455 [14:44] <GreyVulpine> Just TCP for now
#2456 [14:44] <Dudeio> kk
#2457 [14:44] <GreyVulpine> Minecraft doesn't use UDP
#2458 [14:44] <GreyVulpine> That might change down the line
#2459 [14:45] <Dudeio> Port range is 25565-25565?
#2460 [14:45] <GreyVulpine> yes
#2461 [14:45] <Dudeio> hmm
#2462 [14:45] <Dudeio> Thats what I put it
#2463 [14:45] <Dudeio> in*
#2464 [14:45] <GreyVulpine> walk me through your setup
#2465 [14:45] <GreyVulpine> starting with your local ip address
#2466 [14:46] <Dudeio> I got it from ipconfig
#2467 [14:46] <Dudeio> 192.168.0.100
#2468 [14:46] <GreyVulpine> router is 0.1?
#2469 [14:46] <Dudeio> Uhm... Yes?
#2470 [14:46] <tomtom> lol
#2471 [14:46] <tomtom> Yay downloadeed
#2472 [14:46] <GreyVulpine> Are you able to connect with 127.0.0.1?
#2473 [14:46] <GreyVulpine> with the server running?
#2474 [14:46] <Dudeio> 127??
#2475 [14:47] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#2476 [14:47] <Dudeio> yes
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#2478 [14:47] <GreyVulpine> Can you go to your router's status page
#2479 [14:47] <tomtom> Yay installing
#2480 [14:47] <GreyVulpine> make sure the public/internet/WAN ip address matches up with whatismyip.com
#2481 [14:47] <Dudeio> Status?
#2482 [14:48] <GreyVulpine> Yes
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#2485 [14:48] <Dudeio> Can't find a status page
#2486 [14:48] <iamweirdie> hey does anyone know how to grant admin powers in a world? NOT in a server, in your own singleplayer world
#2487 [14:48] <Dudeio> There it is
#2488 [14:48] <GreyVulpine> basic config?
#2489 [14:48] <tomtom> Lol
#2490 [14:48] <GreyVulpine> iamweirdie - There isn't a way
#2491 [14:48] <Dudeio> System
#2492 [14:48] <Dudeio> Model AL29150 v3
#2493 [14:48] <Dudeio> Up time 0day:2h:50m:16s
#2494 [14:48] <Dudeio> Hardware Version Rev. A
#2495 [14:48] <Dudeio> Boot Code Version 1.0
#2496 [14:48] <Dudeio> Runtime Code Version 1.01
#2497 [14:48] <GreyVulpine> You can use invedit to give yourself stuff
#2498 [14:48] <tomtom> You can get mods :P
#2499 [14:49] <GreyVulpine> Dudeio - Doesn't show up there
#2500 [14:49] <iamweirdie> crap
#2501 [14:49] <tomtom> Dudeio
#2502 [14:49] <tomtom> U making server?
#2503 [14:49] <tomtom> :P
#2504 [14:50] <GreyVulpine> Try another page
#2505 [14:50] <Tom> =p
#2506 [14:50] <Dudeio> mhm
#2507 [14:51] <Dudeio> I can't find the public ip thingy
#2508 [14:51] <GreyVulpine> What router is it?
#2509 [14:51] <Tom> Grey
#2510 [14:51] <GreyVulpine> Yes?
#2511 [14:51] <Guest1390139164> Why has this bad driver thing happend
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#2513 [14:51] <Guest1390139164> It was working before update
#2514 [14:51] <Guest1390139164> then i updated and bam
#2515 [14:51] <GreyVulpine> I'm sorry, I don't know
#2516 [14:51] <TomTom> oki
#2517 [14:51] <TomTom> Nearly installed
#2518 [14:51] <TomTom> brb
#2519 [14:52] <Dudeio> It's Jensen Scandinavia Air Link 29150
#2520 [14:52] <joelos> @greyvulpine, any idea why it keeps freezing /unresponsive?
#2521 [14:53] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, joelos, can you give me any info at all on how it crashes?
#2522 [14:53] <GreyVulpine> if even windows gives you any info
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#2526 [14:55] <uly> hi
#2527 [14:55] <uly> I have a problem with pig spawners
#2528 [14:56] <uly> mhh i see
#2529 [14:56] <Kealper> O.o
#2530 [14:56] <xales> Why don't you try saying what the problem is
#2531 [14:59] <uly> i found the problem i think
#2532 [14:59] <uly> how would i grow grass?
#2533 [14:59] <uly> for a pig spawner
#2534 [14:59] <uly> I found a webpage saying they only spawn on grass and with light
#2535 [14:59] <Kealper> light, and you would need a seed peice of grass, too
#2536 [14:59] <uly> ok
#2537 [15:00] <uly> But doesn't grass only grow in sunlight?
#2538 [15:00] <Kealper> indeed
#2539 [15:00] <Kealper> well..
#2540 [15:00] <Kealper> if there is one block of grass in some well-lit dirt, more will grow
#2541 [15:01] <GreyVulpine> Dudeio - I'm trying to lookup the manual for your router
#2542 [15:02] <GreyVulpine> Give me a couple minutes to download it
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#2544 [15:02] <TinoNT> hey i had a question real quick
#2545 [15:02] <TinoNT> about the nethergate
#2546 [15:02] <AndrewPH> Shoot away
#2547 [15:04] <DopeGhoti> not all that quick apparently (:
#2548 [15:04] <Dudeio> Baaaaaaack
#2549 [15:05] <DopeGhoti> Frooooont.
#2550 [15:06] <Kealper> Leeeeeeeeeft
#2551 [15:06] <TinoNT> uh how do you change settings to allow the gate to work in multiplayer
#2552 [15:06] <GreyVulpine> It doesn't
#2553 [15:06] <GreyVulpine> There's no way to get the overworld and nether running at the same time in MP right now
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#2555 [15:07] <TinoNT> i read it on teh forums and they said something about changing server stterings
#2556 [15:07] <GreyVulpine> You can make it so that the entire world is nether, by enabling "hellworld" in server.properties
#2557 [15:07] <GreyVulpine> But you can't make the portal switch between them
#2558 [15:08] <iamweirdie> hey, right now im runnin a minecraft server, for myself, but when i log in, it lags. anybody know how to optimize this or is it my connection
#2559 [15:08] <TinoNT> ok
#2560 [15:08] <mbentley> sounds like you server isn't powerful enough
#2561 [15:08] <mbentley> running the server on the same system as the client?
#2562 [15:08] <TinoNT> so you can go to nether the same way but just not through portal?
#2563 [15:08] <iamweirdie> mbentley so it just might be the connection?
#2564 [15:08] <GreyVulpine> You can transform your world into the nether by enabling hellworld
#2565 [15:09] <mbentley> are you running the server on a dedicated host?
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#2567 [15:09] <mbentley> ie - a game hosting provider?
#2568 [15:09] <iamweirdie> nope
#2569 [15:09] <iamweirdie> it's at home
#2570 [15:09] <psypc2> how can i get a refund for the game?
#2571 [15:10] <mbentley> iamweirdie: running the server on the same system as the client?
#2572 [15:10] <iamweirdie> yep
#2573 [15:10] <mbentley> specs of your system?
#2574 [15:10] <psypc2> i wanted to buy it as gift code and somehow it was credited to my account
#2575 [15:10] <iamweirdie> intel core 2 duo
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#2577 [15:11] <TinoNT> grey how do you do that
#2578 [15:11] <iamweirdie> nvidia geforce 8200m g
#2579 [15:11] <mbentley> did you activate the code psypc2?
#2580 [15:11] <psypc2> i haven't received any code
#2581 [15:11] <psypc2> it was credited directly to my account
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#2583 [15:12] <mbentley> i would say email support@mojang.com. it will likely take a while for someone to respond though
#2584 [15:12] <TinoNT> or how do you change it to hellworld
#2585 [15:13] <psypc2> isn't here someone who is in charge with payments?
#2586 [15:13] <mbentley> not here
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#2588 [15:13] <psypc2> in which channel should i look?
#2589 [15:13] <mbentley> by that i mean not in this channelk
#2590 [15:13] <psypc2> i would rather avoid emailing
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#2592 [15:15] <mbentley> i don't know of anyone from mojang that really hangs around actively and since it is friday night there, it would be a little more unlikely as well
#2593 [15:15] <TinoNT> GreyVulpine are you still there?
#2594 [15:16] <GreyVulpine> Gah, sec, I'm trying to read this 130 page manual.
#2595 [15:16] <mbentley> TinoNT: set 'hellworld=true'
#2596 [15:16] <GreyVulpine> Some router manuals are simple.. this one's horribly complex..
#2597 [15:16] <mbentley> i would backup your world before doing it though!
#2598 [15:18] <TinoNT> like in the java thing?
#2599 [15:19] <Kealper> manual for what? lol
#2600 [15:19] <mbentley> TinoNT: server.propteries
#2601 [15:19] <mbentley> server.properties
#2602 [15:20] <Kealper> propteries files ftw
#2603 [15:20] <mbentley> lol
#2604 [15:20] <GreyVulpine> manual for a router
#2605 [15:20] <GreyVulpine> I can't find where the status page is for this router
#2606 [15:20] <TinoNT> wait
#2607 [15:20] <TinoNT> where is the server.properties
#2608 [15:20] <mbentley> i am assuming you are running your own server?
#2609 [15:21] <TinoNT> eyah
#2610 [15:21] <mbentley> it is in the same place as the minecraft_server file
#2611 [15:21] <TinoNT> wait
#2612 [15:21] <TinoNT> uh
#2613 [15:21] <TinoNT> does it change it to hellworld instantly?
#2614 [15:21] <mbentley> i have never done it myself
#2615 [15:22] <mbentley> i would have to guess that it would only do it to new chunks that are generated but i could be wrong
#2616 [15:22] <TinoNT> hmm
#2617 [15:22] <TinoNT> i just changed it but nothing happened
#2618 [15:22] <mbentley> did you restart your server?
#2619 [15:22] <mbentley> lol
#2620 [15:22] <TinoNT> yeah
#2621 [15:23] <mbentley> then it probably is only new chunks that are hell world i guess
#2622 [15:23] <mbentley> or maybe it needs a new world directory
#2623 [15:24] <GreyVulpine> Dudeio - You still there?
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#2625 [15:26] <Mario8236> hi
#2626 [15:26] <Mario8236> =/
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#2628 [15:27] <mbentley> howdy
#2629 [15:27] <joelos> hellloo
#2630 [15:27] <joelos> @greyvulpine, just got it to replicate the hang
#2631 [15:27] <joelos> Description:
#2632 [15:27] <joelos> A problem caused this program to stop interacting with Windows.
#2633 [15:27] <joelos> Problem signature:
#2634 [15:27] <joelos> Problem Event Name: AppHangB1
#2635 [15:27] <joelos> Application Name: javaw.exe
#2636 [15:27] <joelos> Application Version: 6.0.230.5
#2637 [15:27] <joelos> Application Timestamp: 4cddca06
#2638 [15:27] <joelos> Hang Signature: 1ac9
#2639 [15:27] <joelos> Hang Type: 4
#2640 [15:28] <joelos> OS Version: 6.1.7600.2.0.0.256.1
#2641 [15:28] <joelos> Locale ID: 2057
#2642 [15:28] <joelos> Additional Hang Signature 1: 1ac91c7a6dbef6145740201a66c0476d
#2643 [15:28] <joelos> Additional Hang Signature 2: 2606
#2644 [15:28] <joelos> Additional Hang Signature 3: 26068cb9d4d3ee42fd77fe3a167663e4
#2645 [15:28] <joelos> Additional Hang Signature 4: 6e83
#2646 [15:28] <joelos> Additional Hang Signature 5: 6e833c2838607651c890ced42e06dbfd
#2647 [15:28] <joelos> Additional Hang Signature 6: 535e
#2648 [15:28] <joelos> Additional Hang Signature 7: 535e08d11bce69b622f3d32f8b5902e1
#2649 [15:28] <mbentley> pastebin.com
#2650 [15:28] <Mario8236> Spam, much?
#2651 [15:28] <GreyVulpine> Then it's a problem with java itself joelos
#2652 [15:28] <GreyVulpine> I'd uninstall and reinstall it
#2653 [15:29] <GreyVulpine> Dudeio - You there?
#2654 [15:29] <joelos> thats the thing, this only happens with the 2 loaders from mc.net
#2655 [15:29] <TomTom> Grey
#2656 [15:29] <GreyVulpine> Yes?
#2657 [15:29] <TomTom> I tryed installing but it failed
#2658 [15:29] <TomTom> I got all the right things
#2659 [15:30] <GreyVulpine> What do you mean it failed?
#2660 [15:30] <joelos> the torrented version i got to test before i bought doesn't crash at all
#2661 [15:30] <TomTom> it says it failed
#2662 [15:30] <GreyVulpine> I have no clue what the torrented version consists of. It could screw up in any number of ways
#2663 [15:30] <GreyVulpine> Pirated versions of games have no support.
#2664 [15:31] <DopeGhoti> The "torrented version" is not legally distrubited
#2665 [15:31] <DopeGhoti> the only legitimate source for Minecraft (server _or_ client) is www.minecraft.net
#2666 [15:31] <joelos> I know, but that one is fine. the legit version doesnt work
#2667 [15:31] <TomTom> should i run not save?
#2668 [15:31] <joelos> @dope i know, i got that one to test before i bought
#2669 [15:31] <GreyVulpine> TomTom - Does the install complete?
#2670 [15:32] <GreyVulpine> Or does it stop with an error message?
#2671 [15:32] <DopeGhoti> "Yeah, I just did the same thing with Dead Space 2- testing before purchase." :/
#2672 [15:32] <mbentley> so joelos, when does it give that error?
#2673 [15:32] <TomTom> when its the green bar going across when the installing
#2674 [15:32] <DopeGhoti> "I'll buy it once the price does down to $20."
#2675 [15:32] <TomTom> it goes about half wayish
#2676 [15:32] <TomTom> then fails
#2677 [15:32] <TomTom> and gives error
#2678 [15:33] <joelos> it runs for 5 -10 minutes then becomes unresponsive and locks up
#2679 [15:33] <mbentley> joelos: black screen?
#2680 [15:33] <joelos> yeah, music still plays though?
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#2682 [15:34] <mbentley> http://getsatisfaction.com/mojang/topics/bwod_black_window_of_death
#2683 [15:34] <joelos> thanks mbentley, il try that and hope it works.
#2684 [15:35] <joelos> also, are saves from older versions compatible with new?
#2685 [15:35] <mbentley> yes
#2686 [15:35] <mbentley> they have not changed the save format
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#2688 [15:35] <joelos> cheers mate
#2689 [15:36] <TomTom> Grey
#2690 [15:36] <TomTom> I went on custom download and it was set to download 3d thing not driver
#2691 [15:36] <TomTom> D;
#2692 [15:36] <TomTom> =p
#2693 [15:37] <TomTom> failed -.-0
#2694 [15:37] <mib_dct8o3> my server isnt working and it keeps saying that I have lost connection but it happens all the time has anyone got any ideas
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#2696 [15:37] <Mario8236> What does it exactly say
#2697 [15:37] <Mario8236> ?
#2698 [15:38] <Mario8236> Or do you know?
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#2700 [15:38] <Mario8236> Herro.
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#2702 [15:40] <TomTom> OMFG
#2703 [15:40] <TomTom> WHERE IS GREY NOWWWZZZ
#2704 [15:40] <TomTom> Grey???
#2705 [15:40] <mbentley> TomTom: what are you trying to do?
#2706 [15:41] <TomTom> I fixed graphics driver error on minecrafy
#2707 [15:41] <Mario8236> Ok.
#2708 [15:41] <TomTom> MASSIVE THANKS TO GREY @D
#2709 [15:41] <Mario8236> :D
#2710 [15:41] <mbentley> sometimes help to use a full name so it will be hilighted like GreyVulpine
#2711 [15:41] <mbentley> i don't hilight 'bentley'
#2712 [15:41] <mbentley> just mbentley
#2713 [15:42] <Mario8236> Grey's probably busy.
#2714 [15:42] <DopeGhoti> though some choose to highlight portions of their nick, whcih is unfortunate when all the noise in the channel might include one of your highlights.
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#2716 [15:43] <mbentley> like one person i know whose nickname is 'Is'
#2717 [15:44] <DopeGhoti> On person wanded me to start highlighting on 'gh'. Um, no.
#2718 [15:44] <DopeGhoti> mbentley: is this one person's full name 'Isis'? (:
#2719 [15:44] <mbentley> nah
#2720 [15:44] <mbentley> iam
#2721 [15:44] <mbentley> *ian
#2722 [15:44] <Mario8236> lol
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#2725 [15:46] <joelos> im still getting bwod with the linux .jar
#2726 [15:46] <warick> My minecraft server isnt working and it keeps saying that I have lost connection but I can connect to my friends network has anyone got any ideas
#2727 [15:47] <mbentley> joelos: and this is when you are playing the game?
#2728 [15:47] <xales> warick: Do you have any mods on the server?
#2729 [15:47] <mbentley> ie - it just happens randomly
#2730 [15:47] <joelos> yeah, its not just in one specific place.
#2731 [15:48] <mbentley> joelos: tried to remove the %appdata%\.minecraft\bin directory and having it re-download?
#2732 [15:48] <joelos> also the RAM use is much higher than normal
#2733 [15:48] <warick> yer i got a mod
#2734 [15:49] <joelos> yeah i tried that before i came here for help
#2735 [15:49] <xales> warick: Remove the mod and run the server without any mods on it
#2736 [15:49] <warick> ok
#2737 [15:49] <mbentley> joelos: tried to update your video drivers from the manufacturer's site?
#2738 [15:49] <GreyVulpine> Bwah, I'm back
#2739 [15:49] <GreyVulpine> Sorry.
#2740 [15:50] <warick> xales: its still saying that I have lost connection
#2741 [15:50] <joelos> about 4 months, but ill look and see if there are any newer ones.
#2742 [15:50] <xales> warick: When does it say that, and what exactly does it say?
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#2744 [15:51] <Mario8236> I have a question.
#2745 [15:51] <GreyVulpine> Shoot
#2746 [15:52] <Mario8236> How do I register my name in the regular Minecraft channel?
#2747 [15:52] <GreyVulpine> /ns register password email
#2748 [15:52] <warick> xales: I click to connect to server and after a couple of seconds it says "Internal exception: java.io.UTFDataFormatException: malformed input around byte 5
#2749 [15:52] <GreyVulpine> warick - This on your server? Or somebody elses?
#2750 [15:52] <Mario8236> ok
#2751 [15:52] <mbentley> warick: the server is out of date
#2752 [15:53] <GreyVulpine> ^
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#2754 [15:53] <warick> Grey:Vulpine its on mine
#2755 [15:53] <warick> mbentley: how can I update it
#2756 [15:53] <mbentley> !server
#2757 [15:53] <GreyVulpine> Then you need to update your server with the latest server binary from minecraft.net
#2758 [15:53] <mbentley> download the server file, replace your current one
#2759 [15:54] <mbentley> and that is it
#2760 [15:55] <warick> k il try
#2761 [15:55] <joelos> @mbently, the drivers are the newest I can get
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#2763 [15:55] <mbentley> and joelos, latest java?
#2764 [15:56] <aetherian> howdy-do
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#2766 [15:56] <joelos> well I don't have any update java notifications
#2767 [15:57] <mbentley> you sure that the non-legit version didn't do anything that could cause problems?
#2768 [15:57] <warick> AuBot: do I use the same IP address
#2769 [15:57] <mbentley> AuBot is a bot
#2770 [15:57] <aetherian> heh
#2771 [15:57] <mbentley> just replace the file, start your server and it should just work
#2772 [15:58] <joelos> i really don't think so it was from a trusted private tracker with good comments
#2773 [15:58] <mbentley> that doesn't mean that it wouldn't do certain things that would make changes to your system
#2774 [15:58] <joelos> true, but if it has i can't see or think what it could be
#2775 [15:58] <mbentley> have you tried getting rid of the %appdata%\.minecraft directory?
#2776 [15:59] <mbentley> making sure to back it up of course
#2777 [15:59] <joelos> yeah i did that before i came here for help
#2778 [15:59] <mbentley> check the hosts file?
#2779 [15:59] <Dudeio> I'm back
#2780 [15:59] <mbentley> most of the cracked versions tend to use hosts file entries to prevent minecraft from talking home properly.
#2781 [16:00] <joelos> 1 sec, checking now
#2782 [16:00] <TomTom> GreyVulpine
#2783 [16:01] <TomTom> Grey?
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#2785 [16:02] <joelos> nah looks normal, only the loopback in there
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#2787 [16:04] <mbentley> hmm hard to say what might be the problem
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#2789 [16:05] <mbentley> that error didn't really tell me a whole lot...
#2790 [16:05] <joelos> im going to run a reg check see if theres any entries damaged
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#2792 [16:06] <xales> registry check? didn't you say you were using Linux?
#2793 [16:07] <joelos> noo windows 7, one of the fixes for bwod is to shortcut to the linux .jar
#2794 [16:07] <xales> oh
#2795 [16:08] <mbentley> tried decreasing the view distance?
#2796 [16:09] <joelos> will do in a mo, going to redownload again just deleted .mc and fixed the reg
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#2799 [16:25] <joelos> looks like its working now, cleaned the reg and redownloaded
#2800 [16:28] <Pirate-Jake> so guys, is there any quick ways to make large flat areas?
#2801 [16:28] <Pirate-Jake> or is it best to do it by hand?
#2802 [16:30] <GreyVulpine> For.. beta?
#2803 [16:31] <MuTTe> srsly.. my minecraft got some retarded things going on..
#2804 [16:31] <MuTTe> i got speedhack or soemthing
#2805 [16:32] <MuTTe> the others can see me run fast
#2806 [16:32] <MuTTe> and i cant get it away
#2807 [16:32] <GreyVulpine> That has been reported in the past, no clue why it does that
#2808 [16:32] <MuTTe> gaaah
#2809 [16:32] <MuTTe> :D
#2810 [16:33] <MuTTe> just format my hdd.
#2811 [16:33] <MuTTe> worked before i did
#2812 [16:33] <MuTTe> :P
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#2814 [16:38] <MuTTe> its even speeded when the menu nis upp
#2815 [16:38] <MuTTe> the text is blinking fast as hell
#2816 [16:39] <MuTTe> compared to before.
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#2820 [16:41] <MrShoes> Hey guys - is it true there's no way to move a mob spawner from a dungeon?
#2821 [16:41] <MuTTe> GreyVulpine i fixed it
#2822 [16:41] <GreyVulpine> Move? Not without opening it up in a map editor and mving it that way
#2823 [16:42] <GreyVulpine> MuTTe - Oh?
#2824 [16:42] <MuTTe> i runned minecraft.exe with windows 95 comp..
#2825 [16:42] <MuTTe> that fixed it
#2826 [16:42] <MrShoes> Hmmm... I wanted to do it "naturally". Shame, was planning to create a mob farm near my base
#2827 [16:42] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, sorry, you can't move it in-game.
#2828 [16:43] <GreyVulpine> MuTTe - Good to know, thanks.
#2829 [16:43] <MrShoes> Sucks. I found a reasonably close dungeon, then destroyed it! XD
#2830 [16:43] <MuTTe> np.. doesnt know if it works on other.. but it actually did here =D
#2831 [16:44] <MuTTe> i think it is slower now though :S
#2832 [16:44] <GreyVulpine> MrShoes - Even if you could /give yourself the mob spawner, playing a mob spawner block yourself will only spawn pigs
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#2834 [16:45] <MrShoes> Oh really? Well that's good to know for next time.
#2835 [16:48] <Hicklin> Hey, I'm having some trouble getting the game running (both the browser client and the download). With the download I get "Cannot connect to minecraft.net" and with the browser I get a Java error, usually "The application failed to run". I've checked my version of Java etc, any ideas? :/
#2836 [16:49] <GreyVulpine> Hicklin - Can you ping minecraft.net?
#2837 [16:49] <GreyVulpine> Are you able to connect to it using your browser?
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#2839 [16:51] <MuTTe> GreyVulpine it doesnt solve the problem.. the speed dissapeared.. but now im going slowly, slowly like lagging towards..
#2840 [16:53] <GreyVulpine> MuTTe - can you undo the compatibility mode, and rerun minecraft. This time, go to your task manager, and set the CPU affinity for javaw to just use one core
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#2842 [16:55] <MuTTe> ok
#2843 [16:55] <MuTTe> sec
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#2845 [16:56] <MuTTe> still speedy
#2846 [16:57] <Hicklin> No, it would appear I can't :/
#2847 [16:58] <MuTTe> GreyVulpine it worked
#2848 [16:58] <MuTTe> ty man
#2849 [16:59] <GreyVulpine> Yay
#2850 [17:01] <GreyVulpine> Hicklin - I gotta ask, truthfully, did you pirate minecraft?
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#2852 [17:01] <MuTTe> Busted =O ;)
#2853 [17:01] <Hicklin> Nope, paid for it today :/
#2854 [17:01] <MuTTe> haha sry
#2855 [17:01] <MuTTe> ;D
#2856 [17:02] <GreyVulpine> Did you try it out before you paid for it?
#2857 [17:02] <Hicklin> No.. :/
#2858 [17:02] <GreyVulpine> When you ping minecraft.net, what IP do you get?
#2859 [17:02] <Hicklin> Messed about in Classic a bit
#2860 [17:04] <Hicklin> 50.16.203.217
#2861 [17:04] <Pirate-Jake> !paid hicklin
#2862 [17:05] <Pirate-Jake> :)
#2863 [17:05] <GreyVulpine> That's the right IP then.
#2864 [17:05] <GreyVulpine> And minecraft.net is up
#2865 [17:05] <GreyVulpine> !isdown minecraft.net
#2866 [17:05] <GreyBot> GreyVulpine: It's just you. http://minecraft.net is up.
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#2868 [17:07] <GreyVulpine> Hicklin - do you have any security software that might block minecraft/java?
#2869 [17:09] <Hicklin> Nothing out of the ordinary. I'm at Uni though, quite possibly restrictions their side
#2870 [17:09] <GreyVulpine> You're not able to connect to minecraft.net via the browser at all?
#2871 [17:09] <GreyVulpine> Have you tried a proxy?
#2872 [17:10] <Hicklin> I get get onto the site, and I can play classic to my hearts content
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#2874 [17:13] <Hicklin> And I'm not the most technically minded in regards to proxies, using the Uni's proxy at the moment, as I think it's nessecary to connect here? :/
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#2876 [17:13] <GreyVulpine> Hmm?
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#2878 [17:16] <xolotl> something which may be of use in the future, btw: http://lmmcwtfy.com/?q=redstone+wire
#2879 [17:16] <xolotl> (possibly DNS is still propagating, though I'd guess that it should be fine)
#2880 [17:17] <GreyVulpine> Works for me xolotl, neat.
#2881 [17:18] <xolotl> A bit snarky, perhaps, but then this IS the interblag.
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#2883 [17:33] <aetherian> .
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#2885 [17:35] <aetherian> hey kth
#2886 [17:35] <KTH> hi
#2887 [17:35] <KTH> i got a question^^
#2888 [17:35] <aetherian> shoot
#2889 [17:36] <aetherian> :)
#2890 [17:36] <KTH> does it cost something to create a multiplayer server? or to use it? :)
#2891 [17:36] <aetherian> no, however
#2892 [17:36] <aetherian> to rent a good server, it does
#2893 [17:36] <KTH> ah ok^^
#2894 [17:36] <KTH> ty
#2895 [17:36] <aetherian> but you /can/ host it on your home pc
#2896 [17:36] <KTH> :D
#2897 [17:36] <aetherian> but don't ask xales questions on how to do that :3
#2898 [17:37] <aetherian> heh
#2899 [17:37] <KTH> ^^
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#2901 [17:37] <aetherian> ah, configured my IRC finally
#2902 [17:37] <aetherian> more or less
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#2903 [17:38] <KTH> but when i create a server to play with my fried, it doesnt cost? (i am asking twice so that i am 100% sure^^)
#2904 [17:38] <KTH> i mean friend^^
#2905 [17:38] <aetherian> err
#2906 [17:38] <aetherian> you mean to host it on a computer you have at home?
#2907 [17:38] <KTH> yes
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#2910 [17:39] <GreyVulpine> Doesn't cost anything
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#2913 [17:40] <KTH> good^^
#2914 [17:40] <KTH> ty
#2915 [17:41] <Hicklin> Don't suppose there are any other suggestions before I give up and confine myself to classic?
#2916 [17:42] <mib_wnswcm> Hrm, why do I get Permissions for Applet Refused when I try to connect to a classic server?
#2917 [17:43] <CruelNoise> are you trying to connect to a classic server from the alpha client?
#2918 [17:43] <CruelNoise> er, beta client
#2919 [17:43] <mib_wnswcm> Neither
#2920 [17:44] <mib_wnswcm> I'm trying from Minecraft.net
#2921 [17:45] <mib_wnswcm> Usually I just accept the popup from windows, but it's not even showing up
#2922 [17:45] <CruelNoise> hmm...
#2923 [17:45] <mib_wnswcm> Is it because I'm using Java 1.7 Beta?
#2924 [17:47] <CruelNoise> ....
#2925 [17:47] <CruelNoise> It might be.
#2926 [17:47] <mib_wnswcm> :/
#2927 [17:48] <mib_wnswcm> I like the performance boost though...
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#2929 [17:48] <Armalitex> evening
#2930 [17:49] <CruelNoise> hi
#2931 [17:49] <mib_wnswcm> Well, thanks anyways Cruel.
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#2934 [17:58] <Apan> Where do i go if i want info about Hey0 and cuboid mods for minecraft server?
#2935 [17:58] <GreyVulpine> Hey0 isn't supported anymore
#2936 [17:58] <Roenie> Apan, #bukkit
#2937 [17:58] <GreyVulpine> You'll need to hit up #bukkit
#2938 [17:59] <Apan> Hm, ok
#2939 [17:59] <SkiingPenguins> hey0 sounds like a pretty dumb name for software
#2940 [17:59] <GreyVulpine> Hey0 was the guy, the mod itself was hmod
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#2942 [17:59] <SkiingPenguins> oh that makes more sense
#2943 [17:59] <DopeGhoti> SkiingPenguins: that's what you get when you let a 14-year-old name software.
#2944 [17:59] <Roenie> and penguins skiing sounds... natural to you?
#2945 [18:00] <DopeGhoti> Roenie: SkiingPenguins ins't the name of a piece of software
#2946 [18:00] <SkiingPenguins> but im 16 and i name things perfectly fine :/
#2947 [18:00] <SkiingPenguins> oh well
#2948 [18:00] <Roenie> no it's the name of a piece of something else
#2949 [18:00] <Roenie> ;)
#2950 [18:01] <SkiingPenguins> piece of pwnage ^.^
#2951 [18:01] <Apan> GreyVulpine, I ran hmod and cuboid on my server before i updated it and i loved it. Is there some sort of equal mods avaliable?
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#2953 [18:02] <Roenie> see http://forums.bukkit.org/forums/plugin-releases.17/
#2954 [18:04] <GreyVulpine> Right now, bukkit is still in development, many plugins have been ported over, but the entire interface is still a WIP
#2955 [18:04] <GreyVulpine> Many are using bukkit in their servers, but it's constantly updated.
#2956 [18:05] <Apan> Ok thanks.
#2957 [18:06] <DopeGhoti> Do you know whether bukkit is being developed with transition to the forthcoming mod API in mind?
#2958 [18:06] <Apan> Is it stable enough for an amateur to run?
#2959 [18:06] <Roenie> yes
#2960 [18:06] <GreyVulpine> I know Notch talked with some prominent members of the modding community, no clue what they discussed though
#2961 [18:06] <Armalitex> ack
#2962 [18:06] <Armalitex> hey grey are you busy? =/
#2963 [18:06] <GreyVulpine> Wee bit
#2964 [18:07] * DopeGhoti is busy working hard on hardly working.
#2964 [18:07] <Roenie> Apan, there are only a few users on my server, but I find bukkit stable
#2965 [18:08] <Apan> Roenie, may i query you?
#2966 [18:08] <Roenie> sure, but keep in mind I have never used hey0 or cuboid
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#2969 [18:14] <xtorian> Any thoughts on where to get answers on why an account isn't activated after payment was made (months ago)
#2970 [18:14] <xtorian> (ex-wife set it up for son, now I have to troubleshoot because she doesn't seem to want to or something)
#2971 [18:14] <GreyVulpine> Daniel@mojang.com
#2972 [18:15] <xtorian> Thanks.. I'll give that a shot
#2973 [18:15] <GreyVulpine> Be prepared to wait at least a few days
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#2975 [18:16] <xtorian> Well.. it's been a few months now.. sooo..
#2976 [18:16] <xtorian> Thank you.
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#2978 [18:17] <aetherian> ugh
#2979 [18:17] <CruelNoise> sup aetherian?
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#2981 [18:18] <aetherian> pchat broke down, so now I'm using a less than crummy thing
#2982 [18:18] <DopeGhoti> irssi?
#2983 [18:18] <aetherian> worse, forgot about that
#2984 [18:18] <aetherian> be right back
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#2988 [18:20] <aetherian> yay
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#2990 [18:23] <aetherian> fix'd
#2991 [18:24] <aetherian> this is so much better on the eyes than cmd running to chat
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#2993 [18:26] <aetherian> :)
#2994 [18:27] <SkiingPenguins> ^.^
#2995 [18:27] <aetherian> izzat a panda?
#2996 [18:27] <aetherian> ohno
#2997 [18:27] <aetherian> it's two pyramids
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#2999 [18:30] <weirdo> Whats ID: 109526405 ?
#3000 [18:32] <DopeGhoti> Probably the entitiy ID of the last player to join your server?
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#3004 [19:00] <SkiingPenguins> *stretch*
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#3006 [19:03] <SkiingPenguins> :o
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#3012 [19:22] <bromin> um, hi. When I try to run MineCraft in my browser (Classic version) I get an error message saying it cant load the logo and progressbar images and I dont know why
#3013 [19:25] <shmup> does the vanilla server perform auto-saves by default?
#3014 [19:25] <shmup> or a save-all, rather
#3015 [19:26] <GreyVulpine> Yes it does
#3016 [19:26] <GreyVulpine> bromim - Could you pastebin.com the error message?
#3017 [19:27] <shmup> GreyVulpine, may I adjust how often it does this?
#3018 [19:27] <shmup> i don't see anything by default in the server-properties
#3019 [19:27] <GreyVulpine> Not in vanilla.
#3020 [19:27] <shmup> are you using a development build of bukkit atm?
#3021 [19:27] <GreyVulpine> Sorry, nope
#3022 [19:27] <shmup> it's fine. i'm debating on it..
#3023 [19:28] <shmup> the only thing i'd really care about is a /home /spawn, and adjusting the save-all
#3024 [19:28] <DopeGhoti> shmup: Vanilla saves more or less in real-time.
#3025 [19:28] <shmup> but i can hold out i think
#3026 [19:28] <shmup> DopeGhoti, ah hah
#3027 [19:28] <GreyVulpine> I'm thinking of waiting a little bit longer for bukkit.
#3028 [19:28] <shmup> so a lot was done in beta, huh?
#3029 [19:28] <DopeGhoti> Quite a bit, yes.
#3030 [19:28] <shmup> GreyVulpine, man i'm really behind. i let my old VPS run out a few months ago.. and just haven't kept up
#3031 [19:28] <shmup> i don't really know what's going on now
#3032 [19:28] <GreyVulpine> Same
#3033 [19:28] <shmup> i lost all my crontabs, and scripts.. sucks.
#3034 [19:28] <DopeGhoti> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Version_history
#3035 [19:29] <GreyVulpine> they only recently finished up permissions for bukkit
#3036 [19:29] <shmup> "Made SMP servers save chunks way less often in most cases. Chunks dont resave if they got saved in the last 30 seconds."
#3037 [19:29] <shmup> ah hah, nice
#3038 [19:29] <shmup> i'm not sure what you mean by realtime though, DopeGhoti
#3039 [19:29] <bromin> http://pastebin.com/Ft7y9gd3
#3040 [19:29] <shmup> i can't believe that if i chop a tree down it's literally adjusted the chunks
#3041 [19:29] <shmup> that very second
#3042 [19:30] <bromin> sorry im a rather slow typer
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#3044 [19:30] <DopeGhoti> shmup: basically, any changes you make are on-disk within thirty seconds.
#3045 [19:30] <shmup> that is amazing
#3046 [19:30] <shmup> well not amazing, for vanilla rather
#3047 [19:30] <DopeGhoti> It used to be much faster, but it was slowed down to ease the I/O burden
#3048 [19:31] <DopeGhoti> (I imagine that was the reason, at least)
#3049 [19:31] <shmup> if ayone here has a well polished .sh script for starting/restarting involving screens..
#3050 [19:31] <shmup> i'd love to get a copy
#3051 [19:31] <shmup> so i don't have to write my own, again
#3052 [19:31] <shmup> especially if it makes tar backups
#3053 [19:31] <shmup> incremental tar backups at that ;)
#3054 [19:31] <DopeGhoti> shmup: one second
#3055 [19:32] <DopeGhoti> shmup: https://github.com/dopeghoti/Minecraft-Sheller
#3056 [19:32] <DopeGhoti> A project I contribute to that may be your cup of yea.
#3057 [19:32] <DopeGhoti> and also tea
#3058 [19:33] <shmup> ah hah, appears similar to...
#3059 [19:33] <shmup> cant remember the name
#3060 [19:33] <shmup> but a script i saw a while back on hey0
#3061 [19:33] <shmup> oh, relliktohg
#3062 [19:33] <DopeGhoti> Form often follows function
#3063 [19:33] <shmup> that's what i was thinking of
#3064 [19:33] <DopeGhoti> I never looked into hey0, so I can't speak to any similarity
#3065 [19:33] <shmup> it's the exact same script, with updates
#3066 [19:33] <shmup> i was referring to relliktohg's script
#3067 [19:33] <shmup> and this is indeed that
#3068 [19:36] <DopeGhoti> HIH.
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#3074 [19:56] <shmup> DopeGhoti, does djava.net.preferIPv4stack=true work well for you?
#3075 [19:56] <shmup> it seems when i launch mc with your script, while it starts up fine.. i'm having a hell of a time connecting.
#3076 [19:56] <shmup> usually just locks up.
#3077 [19:57] <shmup> if i start it manually, no special perimeters other than mem size, its fine
#3078 [19:57] <shmup> quickly logs on
#3079 [19:59] <DopeGhoti> shmup: I've not used that parameter, but then my server isn't running an IP6 stack, so
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#3081 [20:07] <Litehammer> wow ...hi lot of people on here not saying any thing hehe
#3082 [20:07] <DopeGhoti> Hi, person who /joined just after a conversation.
#3083 [20:09] <Litehammer> i was mainly coming to see if any one else was having trouble getting minecraft to start but now its starting again
#3084 [20:09] <DopeGhoti> Must be our collective magnetic personalities.
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#3086 [20:10] <DopeGhoti> Happy to help; that'll be $8.
#3087 [20:10] <Litehammer> hehe bill me
#3088 [20:10] * DopeGhoti bills Litehammer.
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#3089 [20:11] <DopeGhoti> Words that are nouns, verbs, and names: "Bill", "Sue". coincidence?
#3090 [20:13] <KillSpammer> Man if we got paid about $5 every problem solved GreyVulpine would be so fucking rich.
#3091 [20:16] <shmup> wait.. wait..
#3092 [20:16] <shmup> do i have to add people toa list by default now, in vanilla, to gather?
#3093 [20:16] <shmup> friends saying they can't
#3094 [20:16] <shmup> thought by default you could in vanilla, prior
#3095 [20:17] <DopeGhoti> define 'gather'
#3096 [20:17] <DopeGhoti> in Vanialla, only ops can build or modify things proximal to spawn.
#3097 [20:17] <KillSpammer> Vanilla doesnt have whitelist?
#3098 [20:17] <KillSpammer> Im confused on what your askin.
#3099 [20:17] <DopeGhoti> And no, Vanilla has no whitelist; only a blacklist
#3100 [20:18] <KillSpammer> I am suprised on how many people come in here and say I just started a server and i cant build :)
#3101 [20:19] <DopeGhoti> KillSpammer: I'm not. It's not actually documented _anywhere_
#3102 [20:20] <KillSpammer> I know...
#3103 [20:20] <GreyVulpine> !isdown minecraft.net
#3104 [20:20] <crickets> GreyVulpine: It's not just you! http://minecraft.net looks down from here.
#3105 [20:20] <DopeGhoti> huh.
#3106 [20:22] <DopeGhoti> it's up for me.
#3107 [20:22] <GreyVulpine> !isdown minecraft.net
#3108 [20:22] <crickets> GreyVulpine: It's not just you! http://minecraft.net looks down from here.
#3109 [20:23] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, it was down for me for a sec
#3110 [20:23] <GreyVulpine> Now it's back up
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#3112 [20:25] <montezuma> hello?
#3113 [20:25] <KillSpammer> Hi!
#3114 [20:26] <montezuma> so, um, i'm having a problem running minecraft
#3115 [20:26] <xales> ...what would the problem be?
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#3117 [20:26] <montezuma> it's not freezing or anything, and ive checked everywhere for a simmilar issue
#3118 [20:27] <montezuma> but im getting a progress chart as i play
#3119 [20:27] <montezuma> its hard to explain
#3120 [20:27] <Clarrisani> Hi all. What's the code to check and see if a payment went through? If I'm premium?
#3121 [20:27] <GreyVulpine> !paid Clarrisani
#3122 [20:28] <KillSpammer> Bot lag?
#3123 [20:28] <KillSpammer> OR dead bot?
#3124 [20:28] <GreyVulpine> Hmm
#3125 [20:28] <GreyVulpine> AuBot's here...
#3126 [20:28] * xales prods AuBot
#3126 [20:28] <Clarrisani> Dead bet, it seems.
#3127 [20:28] <GreyVulpine> I think the website's having problems
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#3129 [20:28] <xales> .haspaid Clarrisani
#3130 [20:28] <VoteSlave> Clarrisani has paid for Minecraft!
#3131 [20:28] <Clarrisani> It is.
#3132 [20:28] <dopeghoti> montezuma: sounds like your F3 key is stuck down
#3133 [20:28] <KillSpammer> http://www.minecraft.net/haspaid.jsp?user=Clarrisani
#3134 [20:28] <KillSpammer> Oh...
#3135 [20:28] <montezuma> hmm, ill check
#3136 [20:28] <KillSpammer> Bot fight
#3137 [20:29] <Clarrisani> lol
#3138 [20:29] <xales> GreyVulpine: My bot retrieved it fine
#3139 [20:29] <xales> .haspaid hasntpaid
#3140 [20:29] <VoteSlave> cӷ 
#3141 [20:29] <VoteSlave> hasntpaid has NOT paid for Minecraft!
#3142 [20:29] * dopeghoti goes home
#3142 [20:29] <KillSpammer> Erm...
#3143 [20:29] <xales> or not
#3144 [20:29] <KillSpammer> My linking fails
#3145 [20:29] <KillSpammer> Its funny how miclee is displayed as an employee on get satasfaction
#3146 [20:29] <KillSpammer> I think i spelt that wrong
#3147 [20:29] <xales> .haspaid nomnqweqwed
#3148 [20:29] <VoteSlave> nomnqweqwed has NOT paid for Minecraft!
#3149 [20:30] <xales> strange, why would it send random characters
#3150 [20:30] <xales> =/
#3151 [20:30] <xales> whatever
#3152 [20:30] <montezuma> ok, when i play it displays the chunks being updated as I play
#3153 [20:30] <xales> .part #minecrafthelp
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#3155 [20:30] <xales> montezuma: Do you have any mods installed?
#3156 [20:30] <montezuma> nope
#3157 [20:30] <montezuma> i just bought it like 2 hours ago
#3158 [20:31] <xales> what are the specs of your computer?
#3159 [20:31] <Clarrisani> Well, it's letting me log in, so I'm fine. :D
#3160 [20:31] <montezuma> what, like my graphics card?
#3161 [20:32] <xales> montezuma: Graphics card, CPU, RAM
#3162 [20:32] <KillSpammer> Xales WHY!
#3163 [20:32] <montezuma> Nvidia,lemme check
#3164 [20:33] <montezuma> ok, is there some way that i could just send you a screencap of whats going on in my screen
#3165 [20:33] <xales> that wouldn't help very much
#3166 [20:34] <xales> it would be more helpful to know your system specs
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#3168 [20:34] <montezuma> ok, one sec
#3169 [20:34] <izzd> is minecraft.net down?
#3170 [20:34] <KillSpammer> Lol i love how this one channel must be broken]
#3171 [20:34] <xales> izzd: Seems to be
#3172 [20:35] <izzd> k :S
#3173 [20:35] <KillSpammer> This guy has tried everything to ban me yet after roughly 3-4 hours it automaticly unbans me
#3174 [20:35] <KillSpammer> Not this channel
#3175 [20:35] <KillSpammer> Another
#3176 [20:35] <xales> KillSpammer: ...k
#3177 [20:35] <KillSpammer> Secret channel...
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#3179 [20:35] <montezuma> 4gb ram, 32-bit, Nvidia T6500 at 2.10Gz
#3180 [20:36] <KillSpammer> What makes me sad is that noone has used my name/copyed my name yet
#3181 [20:36] <KillSpammer> And i havent met anyone in RL who knows killspammer on the internet :(
#3182 [20:36] <xales> montezuma: What is the model of the graphics card?
#3183 [20:36] <KillSpammer> In other news i have gotten 3 random followers
#3184 [20:37] <Clarrisani> Okay. I've got lag on beta single player. Suggestions?
#3185 [20:37] <montezuma> isnt it nvidia?
#3186 [20:37] <montezuma> or T6500,
#3187 [20:37] <xales> montezuma: Nvidia is a manufacturer. That isn't specific enough
#3188 [20:37] <xales> T6500 is the CPU
#3189 [20:37] <xales> Clarrisani: What are the specs of your computer?
#3190 [20:37] <montezuma> ok, so 'm a little crappy with computers
#3191 [20:38] <montezuma> oh ok, Intel cor duo
#3192 [20:38] <xales> nope, that is still the CPU model
#3193 [20:38] <xales> what version of Windows are you running?
#3194 [20:38] <montezuma> vista...
#3195 [20:39] <KillSpammer> Clarrisani, could be java or your graphics card or your ram or somethin.
#3196 [20:39] <xales> click the start orb, right click on 'Computer' and click 'Properties'
#3197 [20:39] <KillSpammer> Clarrisani, xales will solve it for you.
#3198 [20:39] <montezuma> ok
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#3201 [20:42] <xales> montezuma: oh, sorry
#3202 [20:42] <montezuma> its ok
#3203 [20:43] <montezuma> wait, damn, i have to go
#3204 [20:43] <montezuma> sorry
#3205 [20:43] <xales> ._. ok
#3206 [20:44] <Radiance> me and my friend bought the game earlier tonight, and we are trying to get a server going... but we get constantly timed out... Any ideas? Ports are forwarded and the firewall is allowing both client and server through...
#3207 [20:44] <xales> Radiance: What IP are you trying to use?
#3208 [20:45] <Radiance> moment
#3209 [20:45] <Radiance> 85.220.51.6
#3210 [20:45] <xales> wait, I misread. Are you getting 'Connection Timed Out' when you try to join the server, or after joining it?
#3211 [20:46] <xales> !check 85.220.51.6
#3212 [20:46] <Radiance> I get timed out in my server when he tries to connect...
#3213 [20:46] <xales> What do you see in the server console?
#3214 [20:46] <Radiance> Just now I got this: [INFO] /67.177.131.104:64996 lost connection
#3215 [20:47] <Radiance> But before I got took to long to connect...
#3216 [20:47] <xales> 'Took to long to connect' or 'took to long to login'
#3217 [20:48] <Radiance> connect
#3218 [20:48] <Radiance> Well, now you got in...
#3219 [20:48] <xales> I got in, but it is extremely laggy, which is probably the issue
#3220 [20:48] <Radiance> ah
#3221 [20:48] <xales> what are the specs of the computer you are trying to run it on?
#3222 [20:48] <Radiance> my connection is to slow ?
#3223 [20:48] <Radiance> I have a monster... :P
#3224 [20:48] <xales> What are the specs?
#3225 [20:49] <Radiance> 3.2 ghx quad, 4gb ram
#3226 [20:49] <Radiance> ghz
#3227 [20:49] <Radiance> I'm running Starcraft 2 in high res without issues...
#3228 [20:50] <xales> http://speedtest.net
#3229 [20:50] <Radiance> My connection is noted for being laggy though... so that might be it...
#3230 [20:50] <xales> do a speedtest and see
#3231 [20:50] <Radiance> just a sec
#3232 [20:50] <Radiance> or a few
#3233 [20:51] <KillSpammer> Minutes
#3234 [20:52] <Clarrisani> Okay, I'm on windows 7.
#3235 [20:52] <Radiance> bwahaha
#3236 [20:52] <Radiance> download is 3 Mb/s and upload is 0.23... :/
#3237 [20:52] <Clarrisani> ... I have a spider on my roof. *shudders*
#3238 [20:52] <Clarrisani> Still laggy. My Java is known to crash
#3239 [20:52] <Radiance> I'm guessing that my ul speed isn't up to par...
#3240 [20:53] <xales> Radiance: Unfortunately, no.
#3241 [20:53] <Radiance> Then we'll try to let my buddy host... What ul speed do we need for 2 player server?
#3242 [20:54] <xales> Probably should have at least .8mb/s up
#3243 [20:57] <Radiance> ok, thanks...
#3244 [20:58] <Clarrisani> Okay, this is really laggy. Help?
#3245 [20:58] <Radiance> is there some way for us to know where in the world we are? Like gps locations or whatever :P
#3246 [20:58] <Radiance> Hmm... he can't log into his own server...
#3247 [20:59] <Radiance> He can't log in to 127.0.0.1
#3248 [20:59] <GreyVulpine> Windows firewall?
#3249 [20:59] <GreyVulpine> Or he put in an ip address in server-ip in server.properties
#3250 [20:59] <Radiance> I can log into his server...
#3251 [20:59] <Radiance> hmm.. sec, I'll ask
#3252 [21:00] <Radiance> Nope... he used mine... no ip there...
#3253 [21:00] <Radiance> should he put an ip there?
#3254 [21:00] <GreyVulpine> No
#3255 [21:01] <Radiance> no firewalls running and nat is good... he can't log in to local machine...
#3256 [21:01] <Radiance> says it worked before...
#3257 [21:01] <Radiance> I can log into his server though...
#3258 [21:03] <montezuma> ok, im back. It turns out theres just something wrong with my laptop keyboard
#3259 [21:03] <GreyVulpine> Radiance - make sure he didn't change anything in server.propertie
#3260 [21:03] <GreyVulpine> s
#3261 [21:03] <montezuma> If i plug in another keyboard, the problem doesnt come up
#3262 [21:04] <montezuma> its something to do with the F3 key though
#3263 [21:08] <Radiance> He didn't change anything apart from what I changed... Only thing I changed was the world name and I added my name to the op list...
#3264 [21:08] <Radiance> Hmm... question... Spaces in world names... allowed or no?
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#3266 [21:09] <xales> There shouldn't be spaces
#3267 [21:09] <Radiance> Then that might be it...
#3268 [21:11] <Radiance> but about my gps question... how would we find eachother? :P
#3269 [21:11] <GreyVulpine> Op yourself, /tp person1 person2
#3270 [21:11] <Radiance> ah
#3271 [21:11] <GreyVulpine> Or, hold down f3, gives x/y/z coords
#3272 [21:11] <xales> You should spawn at the same point as well. Additionally, you can hold down F3 to see coordinates
#3273 [21:11] <Radiance> too simle for me... :P
#3274 [21:12] <Radiance> simple*
#3275 [21:12] <Radiance> hmm... f3 is cool... is the graph cpu usage?
#3276 [21:12] <GreyVulpine> net
#3277 [21:13] <Radiance> ah
#3278 [21:14] <Radiance> on a whole another topic... monster spawners... submerged in water... does that disable them?
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#3280 [21:17] <aetherian> hey guys
#3281 [21:18] <aetherian> what's up
#3282 [21:19] <Radiance> Is the official server not that good?
#3283 [21:20] <Radiance> Blocks tend to disappear and reappear at ther own leisure...
#3284 [21:20] <lemon-rev> radiance about the spawners yes i belive it does unless you uncover them or take away the water from around the spawners then monsters can come out
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#3286 [21:20] <flipjargendy> Hello all
#3287 [21:20] <lemon-rev> which official server radiance theres lots of different servers out there
#3288 [21:20] <montezuma> this could be a long shit, but is there a way to disable the F3 key?
#3289 [21:20] <montezuma> shot*
#3290 [21:20] <montezuma> i said shot
#3291 [21:20] <lemon-rev> m
#3292 [21:21] <lemon-rev> lol, montezuma why you wanta disable f3 ?
#3293 [21:21] <Radiance> ok, apparantly it was the space in the world name that made it all go wonka...
#3294 [21:21] <montezuma> its stuck. it keeps pressing as i play.
#3295 [21:22] <montezuma> so when i play, i get this big red graph at the bottom of my screen
#3296 [21:22] <lemon-rev> then get a new keyboard or take that key off the keyboard with a screwdriver montezuma
#3297 [21:23] <flipjargendy> Anyone know why I cannot connect to my minecraft server even though ports are being forwarded to the IP of the server?
#3298 [21:23] <lemon-rev> radiance wtf is this about space and worlld name ?
#3299 [21:23] <montezuma> it's a laptop
#3300 [21:23] <lemon-rev> hm, even better
#3301 [21:23] <Radiance> Me and my friends server wouldn't allow us to connect... I didn't know you weren't allowed to have spaces in the world name...
#3302 [21:23] <lemon-rev> same as keyboard remove the key by distroying it
#3303 [21:23] <lemon-rev> radiance whats the ip
#3304 [21:24] <montezuma> ok, ill give it a try, thanks
#3305 [21:24] <Radiance> it works now :)
#3306 [21:24] <lemon-rev> you cant change the world name radiance for muliplayer
#3307 [21:24] <flipjargendy> Radiance: thanks for the info... I don't have any spaces in the variables though :-(
#3308 [21:24] <montezuma> ok, i hope this works
#3309 [21:25] <Radiance> I named my server world "The Matrix"... apparantly that space made it all go willy
#3310 [21:25] <lemon-rev> hm, well delete the space then
#3311 [21:25] <montezuma> ok, so taking off the f3 key didn't work
#3312 [21:25] <lemon-rev> but i didnt think you could change the name of the world folder yet
#3313 [21:25] <lemon-rev> hm
#3314 [21:25] <Radiance> server.properties
#3315 [21:26] <lemon-rev> then montezuma , your going to have to find a way to stop it from being presed or activated via the board under the keyboard
#3316 [21:26] <lemon-rev> i dont know how to do that since i run the exe and not the jar file and it just runs so im not familair with that side of things radiance
#3317 [21:27] <montezuma> is there any way of just disabling it?
#3318 [21:27] <lemon-rev> unless you can get to your control pannel
#3319 [21:27] <lemon-rev> in windows and trying to get the keyboard to disable one key and i dont know how you go about doing that
#3320 [21:27] <lemon-rev> hm
#3321 [21:28] <lemon-rev> maybe google it
#3322 [21:28] <montezuma> 3333333333333333ww2 ill give it a try
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#3324 [21:28] <montezuma> 333333333333333ww2 uh-oh
#3325 [21:28] <lemon-rev> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vistaprograms/thread/23c6af96-cd76-4e3f-a35f-f1b312ed2d7d
#3326 [21:28] <lemon-rev> lol
#3327 [21:29] <lemon-rev> 1. Start regedit.
#3328 [21:29] <lemon-rev> 2. Navigate to the HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Inte rnet Explorer\Restrictions registry subkey. If this subkey doesn't exist, open the Edit menu and select New, Key to create it.
#3329 [21:29] <lemon-rev> theres more on that page
#3330 [21:29] <flipjargendy> If I change the port that the server uses I need to connect like this correct: 192.168.1.14:30302
#3331 [21:29] <lemon-rev> flipjargendy is that your server or someone elses ?
#3332 [21:30] <flipjargendy> mine
#3333 [21:30] <flipjargendy> On my local network
#3334 [21:30] <lemon-rev> and are you trying to use a home network ?
#3335 [21:30] <lemon-rev> hm
#3336 [21:30] <lemon-rev> you the server or the other computer ?
#3337 [21:31] <xales> flipjargendy: Checked firewall?
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#3339 [21:34] <acrocycle> bad internet.
#3340 [21:34] <acrocycle> sorry
#3341 [21:35] <acrocycle> My server is on a local network... Minecraft fails to connect to it even though ports are forwarded to the server. SSH and HTTP both work fine.
#3342 [21:36] <acrocycle> ...for connecting to the server
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#3344 [21:36] <acrocycle> The server starts with no errors
#3345 [21:36] <lyude> Hey, is there a way to increase the sky limits?
#3346 [21:36] <acrocycle> any ideas why I would not be able to connect to it?
#3347 [21:36] <xales> lyude: Nope
#3348 [21:36] <xales> acrocycle: Do you have the server-ip set in server.properties?
#3349 [21:36] <lyude> tD:
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#3351 [21:36] <lyude> Really?
#3352 [21:36] <xales> lyude: Yes, really
#3353 [21:36] <lyude> :C
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#3355 [21:36] * lyude sad face
#3355 [21:37] <xales> Ask #risucraft if you want to know why
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#3357 [21:37] <acrocycle> xales: I do not... when I do it says another server is running using this port!
#3358 [21:37] <acrocycle> even though there is no other server... I have also tried using differnt ports
#3359 [21:38] <xales> Firewall?
#3360 [21:38] <acrocycle> No
#3361 [21:39] <acrocycle> Unless one got installed on the server without me knowin.
#3362 [21:39] <xales> Is this on your home computer?
#3363 [21:39] <acrocycle> It is a Debian server
#3364 [21:39] <acrocycle> Yes, it is in my home
#3365 [21:39] <acrocycle> It is an old rackmount server though
#3366 [21:40] <acrocycle> 5gb of ram (open slots) and two 3ghz processors
#3367 [21:40] <xales> What error do you get?
#3368 [21:40] <xales> when you try to connect
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#3370 [21:40] <acrocycle> sec
#3371 [21:40] <GreyVulpine> Wait.. debian?
#3372 [21:41] * GreyVulpine pokes xales
#3372 [21:41] <GreyVulpine> ipv6 stack
#3373 [21:41] <acrocycle> "Failed to connect to server" "Connection refused"
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#3375 [21:41] <GreyVulpine> debian and java prefer the ipv6 stack by default
#3376 [21:41] <acrocycle> GreyVulpine: where the heck is that file? I just edited this on my laptop
#3377 [21:41] <acrocycle> cannot remember
#3378 [21:41] <acrocycle> you might be onto somthing here!
#3379 [21:42] <xales> acrocycle: Put server-ip=(local IP)
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#3381 [21:42] <xales> that probably won't work..but try it anyway
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#3383 [21:42] <acrocycle> xales: when I trie that the server startup gives me a message ..... oh ok
#3384 [21:42] * GreyVulpine shakes
#3384 [21:43] <GreyVulpine> You need to do...
#3385 [21:43] <xales> modprobe -r ipv6
#3386 [21:43] <xales> lol
#3387 [21:43] <GreyVulpine> java -Djava.net.preferIPv4Stack=true
#3388 [21:43] <megadud> hey, how long does it tend to take for grass to spread?
#3389 [21:43] <xales> megadud: http://minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Grass
#3390 [21:44] <megadud> does INV edit grass grow?
#3391 [21:44] <xales> it should
#3392 [21:44] <acrocycle> okay here we go... sorry for flod
#3393 [21:44] <xales> GreyVulpine: http://tinyurl.com/6eah6gb
#3394 [21:44] <acrocycle> 2011-01-28 20:43:37 [INFO] Starting Minecraft server on 192.168.1.33:25565
#3395 [21:44] <acrocycle> 2011-01-28 20:43:37 [WARNING] **** FAILED TO BIND TO PORT!
#3396 [21:44] <acrocycle> 2011-01-28 20:43:37 [WARNING] The exception was: java.net.SocketException: Invalid argument
#3397 [21:44] <megadud> cool
#3398 [21:44] <acrocycle> 2011-01-28 20:43:37 [WARNING] Perhaps a server is already running on that port?
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#3400 [21:45] <xales> acrocycle: What exactly did you put?
#3401 [21:45] <xales> anyway
#3402 [21:45] <xales> remove that line
#3403 [21:45] <xales> and do what Grey said
#3404 [21:45] <acrocycle> remove the line completely?
#3405 [21:45] <acrocycle> not just my local UP but the whole line?
#3406 [21:46] <mbentley> remove the ip, keep the line
#3407 [21:46] <acrocycle> k
#3408 [21:46] <GreyVulpine> there's a.. prefer ipv4 java argument, and an ipv6 stack line that I can't find right now
#3409 [21:46] <acrocycle> GreyVulpine: thanks for the instructions.. did not see them
#3410 [21:47] <GreyVulpine> java -Djava.net.preferIPv4Stack=true -Djava.net.preferIPv6Addresses=false
#3411 [21:47] <xales> or just modprobe -r ipv6
#3412 [21:47] <GreyVulpine> http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1013&t=39541
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#3414 [21:48] <GreyVulpine> That too
#3415 [21:48] <Anthro> evening
#3416 [21:48] <xales> hello
#3417 [21:48] <xales> and you'll want to blacklist the ipv6 module if you do that...
#3418 [21:48] <Anthro> so i have a rather particular question that i wasnt sure where it belonged
#3419 [21:48] <xales> go ahead and ask
#3420 [21:49] <Anthro> well for a suggestion for the finished game what mite be taken seriously?
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#3422 [21:49] <acrocycle> hmmmm modprobe -r ipv6 returns ....
#3423 [21:49] <xales> http://getsatisfaction.com/mojang
#3424 [21:49] <acrocycle> FATAL: Module ipv6 not found.
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#3426 [21:49] <xales> acrocycle: It is easier to just use the java things
#3427 [21:50] <xales> I don't know what Debian calls the ipv6 module
#3428 [21:50] <Anthro> go here and ask?
#3429 [21:50] <xales> Anthro: Just post it. Click 'idea' or whatever
#3430 [21:50] <Anthro> lol thanks
#3431 [21:52] <acrocycle> GreyVulpine: you know how when you type something into the shell and the script doesn't know the command so it just prints the help message?
#3432 [21:53] <acrocycle> That is what I get when I used the command you gave me above for jav
#3433 [21:53] <acrocycle> java*
#3434 [21:53] <acrocycle> java -Djava.net.preferIPv4Stack=true -Djava.net.preferIPv6Addresses=false
#3435 [21:53] <xales> He meant to add those as parameters to launching the server
#3436 [21:54] <xales> IE, java -Djava.net.preferIPv4Stack=true -Djava.net.preferIPv6Addresses=false -Xms1024M -XmX1024M -jar minecraft_server.jar
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#3438 [21:55] <acrocycle> ah ic
#3439 [21:55] <acrocycle> got it... thanks
#3440 [21:55] <acrocycle> I'll give it a shot
#3441 [21:57] <acrocycle> You guys rock!!!
#3442 [21:57] <acrocycle> Thank you so much for your help!
#3443 [21:57] <xales> GreyVulpine: You know lmgtfy, right? http://lmmcwtfy.com/
#3444 [21:57] <xales> acrocycle: No problem.
#3445 [21:57] <acrocycle> I just started playing around with this yesterday. Not too much of a network savy guy
#3446 [21:57] <acrocycle> Much appreciated to both of you!
#3447 [21:57] <acrocycle> have a good night. Going to go play and find out more about this game.
#3448 [21:57] <acrocycle> Second day owning it!
#3449 [21:59] <GreyVulpine> Yeah xales
#3450 [22:01] <GreyVulpine> Needs a tinyurl shortcut maker though
#3451 [22:01] <xales> it has
#3452 [22:01] <xales> mouse over the link
#3453 [22:02] <GreyVulpine> Oh, it does
#3454 [22:03] <xales> anyway
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#3456 [22:08] <loft> Does the portal no longer work on new versions of minecraft ?
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#3459 [22:11] <lemon-rev> why
#3460 [22:11] <lemon-rev> yuo have to stand in it for a bit, why ?
#3461 [22:14] <loft> It doesnt work I stood there for like 15 mins
#3462 [22:15] <lemon-rev> hm
#3463 [22:15] <lemon-rev> how big is it, like hight and leth wise
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#3465 [22:16] <SheepShank> Hey Im having a lot of trouble installing hMod can anyone assist me.
#3466 [22:16] <SheepShank> ??
#3467 [22:16] <lemon-rev> no
#3468 [22:17] <lemon-rev> no mod help
#3469 [22:17] <SheepShank> I see.
#3470 [22:17] <GreyVulpine> hMod is no longer compatible with the latest beta
#3471 [22:17] <SheepShank> ohhh
#3472 [22:17] <GreyVulpine> It's no longer in development
#3473 [22:17] <SheepShank> any word on bukket?
#3474 [22:17] <SheepShank> bukkit*
#3475 [22:17] <GreyVulpine> Ask them yourself
#3476 [22:17] <GreyVulpine> #bukkit
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#3484 [22:56] <keret> anyone able to help?
#3485 [22:56] <lemon-rev> lol
#3486 [22:56] <lemon-rev> how do we know if we can
#3487 [22:56] <lemon-rev> ask
#3488 [22:56] <keret> I just downloaded the minecraft launcher
#3489 [22:56] <lemon-rev> you r quest ion
#3490 [22:56] <lemon-rev> k
#3491 [22:56] <lemon-rev> ?
#3492 [22:56] <keret> and it keeps saying unable to connect to minecraft.net
#3493 [22:56] <keret> sorry, slow typer.
#3494 [22:56] <lemon-rev> ok
#3495 [22:57] <lemon-rev> keret are you able to connect to the web site www.minecraft.net
#3496 [22:57] <lemon-rev> ?
#3497 [22:57] <keret> yes
#3498 [22:57] <lemon-rev> are you running an antivirus software
#3499 [22:57] <lemon-rev> ?
#3500 [22:57] <keret> do I need to verify my account somewhere
#3501 [22:57] <keret> yes.
#3502 [22:57] <lemon-rev> hm, email i think does that,
#3503 [22:58] <keret> I thot so, it hasn't come into my email account yet
#3504 [22:58] <keret> thats probably my problem
#3505 [22:58] <lemon-rev> did you buy minecraft ?
#3506 [22:58] <lemon-rev> whats the user name ?
#3507 [22:58] <keret> nope, That is probably the other problem
#3508 [22:58] <lemon-rev> hm
#3509 [22:59] <lemon-rev> well you need to make a username, and buy it lol
#3510 [22:59] <lemon-rev> :)
#3511 [22:59] <keret> I didn't know I had to buy it. lol, now i feel pretty damn dumb
#3512 [22:59] <keret> how much does it cost a month?
#3513 [22:59] <lemon-rev> nothing per month
#3514 [22:59] <lemon-rev> you pay once
#3515 [22:59] <keret> how much?
#3516 [22:59] <lemon-rev> depends on when you buy it lol
#3517 [22:59] <keret> i dunno
#3518 [22:59] <lemon-rev> look at the site it will tell you how much
#3519 [23:00] <lemon-rev> its like $15 euro or something
#3520 [23:00] <lemon-rev> so convert that to where ever you are
#3521 [23:00] <keret> $15
#3522 [23:00] <keret> euro
#3523 [23:00] <keret> so like 30$ us
#3524 [23:00] <GreyVulpine> 20
#3525 [23:00] <lemon-rev> hm,
#3526 [23:00] <GreyVulpine> give or take a dollar
#3527 [23:01] <keret> yeah, like $20.50
#3528 [23:01] <lemon-rev> is that too much for a guy like you ????
#3529 [23:01] <lemon-rev> lol
#3530 [23:02] <keret> I am pretty broke pretty commonly
#3531 [23:02] <keret> lol, yeah, shouldn't be hard to scrape up tho.
#3532 [23:03] <lemon-rev> i see
#3533 [23:03] <dopeghoti> it's €19.95 now, which is in the neighborhood of US$25 or so.
#3534 [23:03] <dopeghoti> depending on how mercenary your currency conversion centre is
#3535 [23:03] <keret> It says $14.95 on my end
#3536 [23:04] <keret> Euro symbol sorry
#3537 [23:04] <dopeghoti> Yes, you're right, €14.95; €19.95 is the expeced final full price
#3538 [23:04] <dopeghoti> my mistake
#3539 [23:04] <keret> lol. I was looking forward to slaying zombies
#3540 [23:04] <keret> yeah. it is. though ur like prepaying for the game
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#3542 [23:05] <dopeghoti> there is plenty of zombie-slaying :)
#3543 [23:05] <Mathuin> Can someone talk to me about block types?
#3544 [23:05] <Mathuin> Like, what are the blockType.foo values for the various trees?
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#3546 [23:07] <dopeghoti> Mathuin: they're all 17.
#3547 [23:08] <Mathuin> How are they distinguished?
#3548 [23:08] <Mathuin> The same way wool is, with color?
#3549 [23:08] <dopeghoti> The subtype
#3550 [23:09] <Mathuin> Keen.
#3551 [23:09] <dopeghoti> And yes, wool is the same; DV 35 with colour determined by subtype
#3552 [23:09] <dopeghoti> so you can't /give yourself, say, red wool
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#3554 [23:13] <mike_> greets... I'm trying to see if I can run minecraft on my debian linux box. What version of java is needed? * have 6.22, I believe.
#3555 [23:13] <lemon-rev> well should be ok then
#3556 [23:13] <mike_> It is running Debian 5.0 )Lenny)
#3557 [23:13] <lemon-rev> why what is minecraft doing that you belive its not ?
#3558 [23:13] <lemon-rev> me dont know that version or linux lol
#3559 [23:14] <mike_> So far can't run in firefox with java 6... white box in browser window for classic version...
#3560 [23:15] <mike_> and a black box (view window) in beta version, but nothing else...
#3561 [23:15] <dopeghoti> java version "1.6.0_22"
#3562 [23:15] <dopeghoti> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_22-b04)
#3563 [23:15] <dopeghoti> Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 17.1-b03, mixed mode, sharing)
#3564 [23:15] <dopeghoti> ^ That's the version I have installed on Ubuntu, which is a close cousin to Lenny
#3565 [23:15] <mike_> right, dopeghoti.
#3566 [23:16] <dopeghoti> Have you tried reinstalling the Minecraft binaries? Delete ~/.minecraft/bin/
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#3568 [23:17] <mike_> umm... I'm only trying to run it in the browser, with my son's account, just to be sure it will run...
#3569 [23:18] <mike_> no binary files yet...
#3570 [23:18] <dopeghoti> mike_: even in-browser, that's where the binaries are stored.
#3571 [23:18] <dopeghoti> (I think)
#3572 [23:18] * GreyVulpine nods
#3572 [23:19] <mike_> ~/.minecraft is empty...
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#3574 [23:19] <lemon-rev> when you lunch minecraft.exe does it try and download files ?
#3575 [23:20] <dopeghoti> lemon-rev: this isn't Windows, there are no EXE files (:
#3576 [23:20] <lemon-rev> oh
#3577 [23:21] <lemon-rev> well even if you double click on minecraft to run it ???
#3578 [23:21] <mike_> right...
#3579 [23:21] <lemon-rev> shount it do the same thing as windows
#3580 [23:21] <EmpiresBane> no
#3581 [23:21] <lemon-rev> m
#3582 [23:21] <lemon-rev> doh!
#3583 [23:21] <dopeghoti> mike_: have you tried the non-in-browser version just to ensure it's not a browser issue?
#3584 [23:21] <lemon-rev> so how you get files for linux if not on site nore are they in mincraft ?
#3585 [23:22] <mike_> I've got a minecraft.jar, but when it runs the login dialog won't take any input and the thing freezes and has to be killed.
#3586 [23:22] <EmpiresBane> are you using the downloadable version?
#3587 [23:22] <EmpiresBane> lemon-rev, you download a .jar
#3588 [23:22] <EmpiresBane> set it so that it can be executed, then use the JVM to run it
#3589 [23:22] <lemon-rev> ok and that gives you files your ment to have to run entire game ?
#3590 [23:23] <mike_> not yet... I think. I cannot get to the point of downloading files, I think, because I cannot enter anything in the login dialog box
#3591 [23:24] <mike_> the process freezes after showing the box, but none of the fields/button are active.
#3592 [23:24] <mike_> which is one reason I was asking if the version of java in Debian Lenny was new enough.
#3593 [23:25] <mike_> Then I was trying to run in the browser, just to see if that would work, and it seems to freeze (the java doesn't happen, anyway) at a blank screen
#3594 [23:26] <dopeghoti> It should be.. But your copy might be broken.. Try installing OpenJDK or reinstalling Java?
#3595 [23:26] <mike_> browser window doesn't freeze, of course, but java window on the page stays blank white (classic) or black, (beta)
#3596 [23:28] <mike_> I did just install sun-java6-jdk (6-22-0lenny1)
#3597 [23:28] <mike_> to see if jdk had any files or libraries that were missing from the jre.
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#3601 [23:38] <mike_> When I run this command in a terminal window: ~$ java -cp /home/mike/My_Documents/Minecraft/minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame
#3602 [23:39] <mike_> I get... "java.security.NoSuchAlgorithmException: Algorithm [PBEWithMD5AndDES] of type [SecretKeyFactory] from provider [gnu.javax.security.auth.callback.GnuCallbacks: name=GNU-CALLBACKS version=2.1] is not found"
#3603 [23:39] <mike_> ... in amongst a bunch of other trace stuff... Hmmm.
#3604 [23:40] <dopeghoti> try java -jar /path/to/minecraft.jar
#3605 [23:42] <mike_> right... did that and get only partially rendered dialog box... grey background, no fields or text, white rectangle where the login button is supposed to be.
#3606 [23:43] <mike_> And the same "=GNU-CALLBACKS version=2.1 is not found" error message in the terminal output...
#3607 [23:44] <dopeghoti> up to trying OpenJDK?
#3608 [23:44] <mike_> running it the other way, got fully rendered dialog box, but nothing works' won't responsds to mouse or text input.
#3609 [23:44] <mike_> lemme see if I can get that from the repository...
#3610 [23:45] <dopeghoti> openjdk-6-jre
#3611 [23:45] <dopeghoti> alternatively, openjdk-6-jre-zero
#3612 [23:47] <mike_> don't see the -zero one in the app list, but i'm downloading the jre now... about 3 minutes to go. <sigh>
#3613 [23:48] <mike_> durn slow dsl connection! <grin>
#3614 [23:49] <EmpiresBane> xales, what's with the ban?
#3615 [23:50] <xales> EmpiresBane: Notch impersonator
#3616 [23:50] <xales> 22:40:32 < Xnotch> Is anyone on here actively using windows 7 on minecraft multiplayer
#3617 [23:50] <xales> 22:40:34 < Xnotch> ?
#3618 [23:50] <xales> 22:41:21 < Xnotch> There's gonna be a server update in 20 minutes, and there's a small chance it won't be compatible with Windows 7 installs.
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#3620 [23:50] <EmpiresBane> oh
#3621 [23:50] <dopeghoti> xales: Win7 client, or server? I sometimes play with a 7 client.
#3622 [23:50] <EmpiresBane> ok
#3623 [23:50] <EmpiresBane> it was a troll
#3624 [23:51] <EmpiresBane> dopeghoti, don't worry about it
#3625 [23:51] * dopeghoti reads closer.
#3625 [23:51] <dopeghoti> ah.
#3626 [23:51] <dopeghoti> *snrk* yeah, Notch would use Mibbit as his IRC client. *eye-roll*
#3627 [23:52] <xales> dopeghoti: and cox.net dialup
#3628 [23:52] <EmpiresBane> or xnotch as a nick
#3629 [23:52] <mike_> okay, I'm just about done installing all the many language fonts that come with... <sigh>
#3630 [23:53] <Cial> Notch does use mibbit
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#3632 [23:53] <xales> nope, mIRC
#3633 [23:53] <xales> ez uses Mibbit
#3634 [23:53] <xales> occasioanlly
#3635 [23:53] <mike_> Oy, tulugu, punjabi, tamil... a regular geography lesson! Open JRE almost installed now.
#3636 [23:53] <Raikuron> Erm, I've just come across a very odd block.
#3637 [23:53] <xales> Raikuron: ?
#3638 [23:54] <Raikuron> It has the top and bottom textures of wood, but the side textures are of a coal ore block.
#3639 [23:54] <Raikuron> The inventory icon shows it the same way, as well.
#3640 [23:54] <Raikuron> It's name is "Wood".
#3641 [23:54] <Raikuron> It was growing a tree with odd-colored leaves, surrounded by regular trees.
#3642 [23:55] <xales> Oh..thats a birch tree
#3643 [23:55] <EmpiresBane> it's just another type of tree
#3644 [23:55] <Raikuron> This...kind of freaks me out. Then again, I've always been afraid of glitches.
#3645 [23:55] <EmpiresBane> still works like regular logs
#3646 [23:55] <Raikuron> Huh? Those new?
#3647 [23:55] <EmpiresBane> yeah
#3648 [23:55] <EmpiresBane> it's part of a different biome
#3649 [23:56] <Raikuron> Erm, what's a biome?
#3650 [23:56] <EmpiresBane> it's like a new geographical region
#3651 [23:57] <EmpiresBane> sand biomes have a bunch of sand
#3652 [23:57] <EmpiresBane> there are snow and forest biomes too
#3653 [23:57] <dopeghoti> There are three flavors of wood now where are only cosmetically different
#3654 [23:58] <Raikuron> Still freaks me the fuck out.
#3655 [23:58] <dopeghoti> you get used to it :)
#3656 [23:58] <EmpiresBane> i know what you mean
#3657 [23:58] <Raikuron> I mean, I thought it was just some oddly shaped coal, then I was like WAIT WHAT THE FUCK GAAH!
#3658 [23:58] <EmpiresBane> first time i played in over a month
#3659 [23:58] <Raikuron> Rather, oddly placed coal/
#3660 [23:58] <EmpiresBane> and i was "wtf is this?"
#3661 [23:58] <dopeghoti> Just wait'll you have Charcoal and Coal not stacking.
#3662 [23:58] <dopeghoti> (that's a pain)