#1 [00:00] * Kealper totally forgot about the coords in F3
#1 [00:01] <Elvang> Geh. Started my first big project and went through a new diamond pick in 30 minutes x(
#2 [00:02] <Elvang> The ingredients for TNT fairly easy to acquire?
#3 [00:02] <xales> yeah
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#5 [00:06] <Kealper> you just have to have balls of steel around lots of creepers
#6 [00:09] <GV> Pfft, mob trap.. or cactus wall
#7 [00:10] <Kealper> that's the girly way to do it, i collect my sulfur with a stone sword, fighting creepers one-on-one
#8 [00:10] * GV is lazy.
#8 [00:10] <xales> Kealper, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2RWM65ZjL4
#9 [00:11] <Kealper> LOL
#10 [00:11] <xales> :)
#11 [00:11] <GV> Heh
#12 [00:11] <Kealper> Teal'c is the reason i say "indeed" to stuff :o
#13 [00:11] <xales> you never seen that before?
#14 [00:11] <xales> it was in "100"
#15 [00:11] <xales> with the puppet stuff :D
#16 [00:11] <GV> Teal'c is my hero
#17 [00:12] <xales> ^
#18 [00:12] <Kealper> ^2
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#20 [00:13] <xales> while we are at it
#21 [00:13] <xales> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9XrrEaZ7Y4
#22 [00:13] <Kealper> i think i remember this from somewhere lol
#23 [00:14] <Kealper> Team America?
#24 [00:14] <xales> It was on the show
#25 [00:14] <xales> http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/200
#26 [00:14] <Kealper> oh.....damn, it's been too long since i've seen it :/
#27 [00:14] <TheMeac> Is there anyone here who would be willing to help me out with a constant crash I'm having using OS X?
#28 [00:14] <xales> it was in season 10
#29 [00:14] <xales> not that long ago
#30 [00:15] <xales> TheMeac: Sure - when do you get the crash, and what happens? Any errors?
#31 [00:15] <Kealper> not that long ago? that was still like...ages ago now lol
#32 [00:15] <TheMeac> Yup. I posted a thread in support that has a crash log and conditions, along with my hardware and OS. Want me to link it?
#33 [00:15] <xales> TheMeac: sure
#34 [00:15] <xales> Kealper: 2006..that does seem like a long time ago now I think about it =/
#35 [00:15] <TheMeac> xales: http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=173590
#36 [00:16] <TheMeac> It's a NullPointerException, but it doesn't seem to be the same one lots of people had an issue with back before the Halloween update.
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#38 [00:16] <TheMeac> xales: If you want/need any more info, I'll be glad to get it.
#39 [00:16] * GV pokes xales with http://imgur.com/WYNSx and http://i.imgur.com/9FmSL.jpg
#39 [00:16] <GV> Best two motivators of SG-1
#40 [00:17] <xales> GV: :D
#41 [00:17] <DopeGhoti> GV: Ben Browser and Claudia Black?
#42 [00:17] <DopeGhoti> s/se/de/
#43 [00:17] <GV> Bleh, no!
#44 [00:17] <xales> TheMeac: Do you have any custom stuff installed? Custom cursor..?
#45 [00:18] <TheMeac> xales: Nope, no mods of any kind. It's weeeeird. The browser client works fine, BTW.
#46 [00:18] <GV> Teal'c takes down a ship with a sling-mounted gun taked from another glider...
#47 [00:18] <GV> And Teal'c, playing golf, driving into an open gate
#48 [00:19] <xales> TheMeac: I mean, any stuff on the computer itself, any weird settings, any antivirus stuff..?
#49 [00:19] <DopeGhoti> GV: was the latter from the Groundhog Day episode?
#50 [00:20] <DopeGhoti> ISTR that.
#51 [00:20] <Kealper> o.o
#52 [00:20] <GV> The one where he and o'neil get sent back in time again and again
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#54 [00:21] <GV> Teal'c starts off the day by being in the the head with a door..
#55 [00:21] <Kealper> OH.....didn't fully read what dope said, i thought he was asking what show it was....
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#57 [00:21] <TheMeac> xales: No, nothing out of the ordinary. No themes installed in OS X or anything.
#58 [00:21] <xales> O'neill is eating cheerios and being asked question he didn't pay attention to the first time :P
#59 [00:21] <checkzor> Xales!
#60 [00:21] <Kealper> that makes more sense now...i was going to have to nerdrage lol
#61 [00:21] <checkzor> Help!
#62 [00:21] <GV> Hmm, I've seen this error of TheMeac's before
#63 [00:21] <xales> checkzor: ?
#64 [00:21] <GV> I can't recall where it was
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#66 [00:21] <checkzor> Alright so I want to update the jvm to 1.7
#67 [00:21] <checkzor> as it's supposed to run faster
#68 [00:21] <checkzor> however
#69 [00:22] <xales> 1.7 is out?
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#71 [00:22] <xales> what
#72 [00:22] <checkzor> yum install java-1.7.0-icedtea I put that
#73 [00:22] <xales> oh
#74 [00:22] <checkzor> and it says up to date :(
#75 [00:22] <xales> the icedtea thing won't work
#76 [00:22] <TheMeac> GV: Oh? It's been a hell of a time figuring it out. :\
#77 [00:22] <checkzor> it will work
#78 [00:22] <checkzor> it has been working
#79 [00:22] <checkzor> for people running 1.7
#80 [00:22] <checkzor> large speed increases have been noticed
#81 [00:22] <DopeGhoti> GV: True fact: the cereal in that scene was glued to the spook to preempt continuity nerds
#82 [00:22] <xales> err, I haven't seen anyone run it sucessfully with the icedtea VM
#83 [00:22] <GV> I could swear I've seen this error before TheMeac. Give me a sec
#84 [00:22] <Kealper> checkzor: it's probably a development build
#85 [00:22] <DopeGhoti> er, spoon
#86 [00:22] <xales> DopeGhoti: I remember hearing that, :P
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#88 [00:23] <GV> TheMeac - Are you running dual monitors?
#89 [00:23] <checkzor> I want it!
#90 [00:23] <checkzor> also everyone read http://blogs.sun.com/theplanetarium/entry/java_vm_trying_a_new
#91 [00:23] <checkzor> if you have 1.7 and you use the new garbage collector
#92 [00:23] * GV pings TheMeac
#92 [00:24] <checkzor> which you can set to run on a different core than minecraft
#93 [00:24] <checkzor> it runs ALL the time
#94 [00:24] <xales> ugh
#95 [00:24] <checkzor> making java use much less memory
#96 [00:24] <checkzor> but slightly more cpu
#97 [00:24] <Kealper> i still will prefer my server wrapper's "garbage" collecting over whatever java has
#98 [00:24] <xales> I'm going to bed now
#99 [00:24] * GV prods TheMeac
#99 [00:24] * xales goes
#99 [00:24] <checkzor> XALES
#100 [00:24] <Kealper> cya xales
#101 [00:24] <checkzor> >_>
#102 [00:24] <TheMeac> GV: Um. Usually. That is one thing I left out of my post, but it's been run before on dual monitors without crashing.
#103 [00:24] <TheMeac> GV: Sorry for the delayed response.
#104 [00:24] <GV> TheMeac - That's the issue. You're running minecraft on the second monitor, correct?
#105 [00:25] <checkzor> what do you use kealper
#106 [00:25] <checkzor> which one?
#107 [00:25] <Kealper> one i made
#108 [00:25] <checkzor> -XX:+UseSerialGC
#109 [00:25] <TheMeac> GV: Ah! I'll try that when I get a chance. Was the solution to not run it on the second monitor, or to not have a second monitor plugged in at all?
#110 [00:25] <checkzor> how do you make a garbage collector?
#111 [00:25] <checkzor> lol
#112 [00:26] <GV> I'm betting it doesn't happen when it runs in the native monitor, only when you have minecraft on the second
#113 [00:26] <Kealper> that does the windows kernel call EmptyWorkingSet to free up the process's working set of ram
#114 [00:26] <TheMeac> GV: Awesome! Thanks for the help. :]
#115 [00:26] <checkzor> or this? -XX:+UseConcMarkSweepGC
#116 [00:26] <GV> I've had one person a month ago with your exact same error
#117 [00:26] * GV nods
#117 [00:26] <checkzor> Been trying -XX:+UseConcMarkSweepGC and have noticed LARGE decrease in jvm memory use
#118 [00:26] <Kealper> checkzor: it does not use java's garbage collection, it actually does a much lower-level cleanup every 30 min
#119 [00:27] <checkzor> oh
#120 [00:27] <Kealper> which means every 30 min, my mc server's ram usage with get down to about 30mb
#121 [00:27] * GV also pokes TheMeac with http://getsatisfaction.com/mojang/topics/minecraft_crash_on_focus_change_macosx_secondary_screen
#121 [00:27] <Kealper> if people are on it, it will rise back up as they move around and the server needs to start loading stuff again, but in another 30 min it goes back down
#122 [00:27] <GV> Other people have reported it here
#123 [00:29] <TheMeac> GV: Oh, I didn't even think to look at that.
#124 [00:29] <GV> No worries, you may want to add a post there.. the more posts it gets, the more likely it'll get noticed
#125 [00:29] <TheMeac> GV: Will do. Thanks again!
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#127 [00:33] <Pierog> hey minecraft help, is it possible to disable map editing on the default creative server software?
#128 [00:34] <GV> No.
#129 [00:34] <Pierog> D:
#130 [00:34] <GV> You'd need to have a modded server binary
#131 [00:34] <Pierog> yah yah i know, if only all of them didn't leak memory like mad on linux
#132 [00:35] <Pierog> thanks nonetheless
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#137 [00:45] <Flamester_> So,
#138 [00:45] <Flamester_> I have a bit of a delima
#139 [00:45] * DopeGhoti hands Flamester_ the l ey dropped.
#139 [00:46] <Flamester_> ...
#140 [00:46] <Flamester_> anyway.
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#142 [00:46] <Flamester_> Ive lost my last torch while in a cave
#143 [00:46] <Flamester_> I cant find my way back to the torch line i made exploring
#144 [00:47] <Flamester_> so, i dug straight up, and now im lost
#145 [00:47] <DopeGhoti> you can't make more torches? (out of wood I guess?)
#146 [00:48] <relsqui> can I lay track on glass?
#147 [00:48] <DopeGhoti> relsqui: no
#148 [00:49] <relsqui> kay
#149 [00:49] * relsqui plans to bottom this tunnel with cobble or earth then
#149 [00:50] <DopeGhoti> relsqui: how bland. Do it with gold; it's not like there's any other use for it.
#150 [00:50] <relsqui> XD
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#152 [00:50] <relsqui> I have plenty of gold, but not THAT much
#153 [00:50] <relsqui> also it wouldn't suit the style of the things around
#154 [00:51] <DopeGhoti> Brick, then
#155 [00:51] <DopeGhoti> Or blocks of Lapis Lazuli
#156 [00:51] <relsqui> nah, saving the lapis for my next project :)
#157 [00:52] <DopeGhoti> Obsidian? (I'm running out of wasteful ideas, here)
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#159 [00:52] <relsqui> lol
#160 [00:52] <relsqui> saving obsidian for a friend on the server who's using it for something
#161 [00:53] <DopeGhoti> An intricate pattern, then, of wite, light grey, dark grey, and black wool?
#162 [00:53] <DopeGhoti> s/wi/whi/
#163 [00:54] <relsqui> maybe.
#164 [00:55] <relsqui> hmm. should have some non-glass along the bottom too so I have somewhere to put lights
#165 [00:56] <relsqui> will passing minecarts interfere with torches?
#166 [00:56] <relsqui> or should I intersperse some torchable blocks higher up?
#167 [00:56] <relsqui> adjust grammar of that as needed to result in sense
#168 [00:57] <Arkose> torches are still intangible when riding a mine cart, as far as I know
#169 [00:57] <DopeGhoti> Yes, but you can't have a torch and a cart track inthe same block
#170 [01:02] <relsqui> i.e. torch on wall at floor level, cart passing through adjacent doesn't work
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#173 [01:04] <relsqui> ... if water won't flow on top of itself, can I build the top of this tunnel from out at sea and then the floor from inside it?
#174 [01:04] <relsqui> that seems too good to be true
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#185 [01:46] <nevercast> Hey Kealper
#186 [01:46] <fogWraith> Rarw
#187 [01:47] <nevercast> fogWraith, Hey :)
#188 [01:47] <fogWraith> Hey, morning ;)
#189 [01:48] <DopeGhoti> "Hi DopeGhoti" Oh, hi, nevercast. How are you today?
#190 [01:48] <fogWraith> Lol, hey Ghoti
#191 [01:48] <nevercast> DopeGhoti, Good thanks :)
#192 [01:48] <DopeGhoti> (:
#193 [01:48] <nevercast> fogWraith, evening ;)
#194 [01:48] <nevercast> Awh crap.. My torch just fell of the side of my castle
#195 [01:49] <nevercast> It's only like 20 squares down
#196 [01:49] <DopeGhoti> o.O How is that even possible?
#197 [01:49] <nevercast> okay more like 12.. but still
#198 [01:49] <nevercast> DopeGhoti, Because I mined the rock it was sitting on
#199 [01:50] <DopeGhoti> Ah. So it didn't just fall off per se, but rather its mounting point was destroyed. Subtle difference (:
#200 [01:50] <nevercast> Haha yeah
#201 [01:50] <nevercast> Also more typing
#202 [01:50] <Arkose> if you use jack-o-lanterns you won't have this problem ;)
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#204 [01:55] <nevercast> Haha
#205 [01:55] <nevercast> they float like dirt right?
#206 [01:55] <Arkose> yes
#207 [01:56] <Arkose> to place them they need support but after that you can destroy it
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#209 [01:56] <Arkose> they also work underwater.
#210 [01:57] <nevercast> Fuck berries I need one more torch
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#212 [01:57] <Arkose> 64 always seems like so many D:
#213 [01:58] <nevercast> It's not
#214 [01:58] <nevercast> trust me
#215 [01:58] <Arkose> that's why I carry two stacks if I can
#216 [01:58] <Arkose> made much easier with charcoal now of course
#217 [01:59] <nevercast> How high are doors?
#218 [01:59] <nevercast> 2 blocks?
#219 [02:00] <Arkose> yes
#220 [02:00] <nevercast> 3FPS... wtf
#221 [02:00] <nevercast> 4 frames per second
#222 [02:00] <nevercast> omg
#223 [02:00] <nevercast> wtf
#224 [02:00] * AuBot kicked nevercast from #MineCraftHelp (Reason: Please do not spam the channel. Your ban will be lifted in about 5 seconds.)
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#227 [02:02] <DopeGhoti> nevercast: that's, what, 33% improvement! That's good!
#228 [02:02] <nevercast> Lol.
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#230 [02:03] <nevercast> I got me a Iron Axe
#231 [02:03] <nevercast> MUSTKILL ALL TREES!!
#232 [02:03] <feenyx> a big axe will make you want to kill trees
#233 [02:03] <nevercast> Haha it does
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#236 [02:17] <nevercast> I've got a lot of smelting to do so I'm gonna need lava
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#238 [02:20] <aetherian> (:|
#239 [02:20] <nevercast> Iron Shovel, Iron Pick, Iron Axe, Iron Bucket
#240 [02:20] <nevercast> If I die I'm going to be VERY annoyed
#241 [02:20] <aetherian> it's only iron
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#243 [02:20] <aetherian> get diamond now
#244 [02:22] <nevercast> Diamond is rather difficult to come by
#245 [02:23] <aetherian> hardly
#246 [02:23] <aetherian> just go into a cave not afraid to die
#247 [02:23] <aetherian> and come out after you've got some
#248 [02:24] <fogWraith> Good shit, remembered teamviewer before laving home, but forgot my glasses
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#250 [02:27] <nevercast> fogWraith, lol damn it
#251 [02:27] <nevercast> WOAH
#252 [02:27] <nevercast> Note to self
#253 [02:27] <nevercast> Never mine the ground
#254 [02:27] <nevercast> it might cause you to fall 5 squares into an abyss
#255 [02:28] <aetherian> lol
#256 [02:28] <aetherian> just figured that?
#257 [02:29] <aetherian> and don't forget falling into lava
#258 [02:29] <nevercast> This has got to be
#259 [02:29] <nevercast> the biggest mine
#260 [02:29] <nevercast> I have ever seen
#261 [02:30] <nevercast> It just doesn't stop
#262 [02:30] <nevercast> I bought 100 torches with me and don't use them until I can't see the last one
#263 [02:30] <nevercast> and I'm still exploring
#264 [02:30] <fogWraith> nevercast, don't sneeze while holding a full cup of coffee either ;P
#265 [02:30] <aetherian> biggest mine I've ever seen was either one of mine own on a computer that broke
#266 [02:30] <aetherian> or
#267 [02:30] <nevercast> fogWraith, Done that :P
#268 [02:30] <aetherian> that one in the youtube video... minecraft movie something, I think.
#269 [02:31] <nevercast> Dude
#270 [02:31] <nevercast> This thing is huge
#271 [02:31] <nevercast> I'm going to get lost
#272 [02:31] <nevercast> I need to make this Single player a multiplayer and get some help
#273 [02:32] <aetherian> heh
#274 [02:32] <aetherian> good luck wizzat
#275 [02:32] <nevercast> aetherian, I bet it's easy :)
#276 [02:33] <aetherian> the getting people to join part
#277 [02:33] <aetherian> people that won'
#278 [02:33] <aetherian> won't ruing htingds
#279 [02:33] <aetherian> waugh
#280 [02:33] <aetherian> ruin things
#281 [02:33] <aetherian> fail
#282 [02:33] <nevercast> Ahh yea
#283 [02:33] * aetherian needs to go to sleep
#283 [02:33] <nevercast> Na I'll only get friends to join
#284 [02:33] <fogWraith> Give me TNT and access!
#285 [02:33] <fogWraith> Mu hu hu!
#286 [02:34] <aetherian> lul
#287 [02:34] <aetherian> nevercast, that wouldn't work, we could all get on your server if we wanted to
#288 [02:34] <nevercast> aetherian, No you couldn't
#289 [02:34] <aetherian> well, you could instaban us
#290 [02:34] <nevercast> aetherian, I choose which IP addresses get in :)
#291 [02:34] <aetherian> but nonetheless
#292 [02:35] <aetherian> oh, running a whitelist?
#293 [02:35] <aetherian> those are the epick gey
#294 [02:35] <aetherian> *teh
#295 [02:35] <aetherian> my thing autocorrects purposeful retardation
#296 [02:36] <nevercast> Red stone!
#297 [02:36] <nevercast> .. Blue Stone?
#298 [02:36] <aetherian> lapiz lazuli
#299 [02:37] <nevercast> aetherian, whitelist? No I just filter inbound traffic on my router
#300 [02:37] <aetherian> fine, an even deeper whitelist then
#301 [02:37] <nevercast> OMG
#302 [02:38] <nevercast> Massive Gold, Red stone, 'Blue stone ( Diamond )' and Coal deposit!
#303 [02:38] <aetherian> only?
#304 [02:38] <nevercast> OMG
#305 [02:38] <nevercast> Lava
#306 [02:38] <nevercast> Diamond
#307 [02:38] <nevercast> MORE GOLD
#308 [02:39] <nevercast> MORE REDSTONE
#309 [02:39] <nevercast> Iron!
#310 [02:39] <nevercast> Dude this place is amazing
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#312 [02:39] <nevercast> It's just corodors of ore
#313 [02:39] <aetherian> only =\
#314 [02:40] <nevercast> only?
#315 [02:40] <nevercast> what else could there be?
#316 [02:40] <aetherian> ...water
#317 [02:40] <aetherian> ...lapis
#318 [02:41] <nevercast> lapis?
#319 [02:41] <nevercast> and water is at the very start of the mine
#320 [02:41] <aetherian> yesh lapis
#321 [02:41] <aetherian> lapish lazshuli
#322 [02:42] <nevercast> FUCK
#323 [02:42] <nevercast> Almost died
#324 [02:42] <nevercast> Just dig some gravel..
#325 [02:42] <nevercast> HOLY CRAP LAVA
#326 [02:42] <nevercast> Jump back!
#327 [02:42] <aetherian> if you're dying
#328 [02:42] <aetherian> quit changing windows to chat
#329 [02:42] <Arkose> I still haven't seen any D:
#330 [02:42] <nevercast> Chat is on my laptop
#331 [02:42] <nevercast> Game on desktop
#332 [02:43] <nevercast> It's just a simple change keyboard
#333 [02:43] <Arkose> Let's Play videos: you're doing it wrong.
#334 [02:43] <feenyx> man
#335 [02:43] <feenyx> I just realized
#336 [02:43] <feenyx> I've mentally invented the official minecraft theme song
#337 [02:43] <aetherian> :O
#338 [02:43] <aetherian> psychological hax
#339 [02:43] <feenyx> it's a parody of Dio - Holy Diver, but it'll go HOLY LAVA instead
#340 [02:44] <feenyx> I will write this song when I get home today
#341 [02:44] <feenyx> after work
#342 [02:44] <nevercast> How often do you get several ores all stacked together?
#343 [02:44] <Arkose> often.
#344 [02:44] <nevercast> It's like a 10x10 block of Red stone, Gold and Coal
#345 [02:44] <aetherian> so specific, arkose
#346 [02:44] <Arkose> heh
#347 [02:44] <nevercast> Maybe bigger considering it isn't exactly cube
#348 [02:44] <Arkose> well, often enough that it isn't too much of a surprise, put it that way.
#349 [02:45] <Arkose> although statistically speaking you're usually only going to find two types of ore together, not a whole lot of types
#350 [02:46] <aetherian> I've found iron/redstone/lapis/diamond in one spot before
#351 [02:46] <aetherian> sadly, I died before I could return to my house
#352 [02:46] <nevercast> Pick bro
#353 [02:46] <nevercast> Home time
#354 [02:46] <nevercast> what is lapis?
#355 [02:46] <nevercast> OH
#356 [02:46] <nevercast> it's that blue stuff
#357 [02:47] <nevercast> Yeah I got like 20 of that
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#359 [02:48] <aetherian> long time no see cosmic
#360 [02:50] <nevercast> So much water!!
#361 [02:50] <nevercast> 4 water falls all pouring into the same place
#362 [02:50] <nevercast> each one like 5~10 cubes wide
#363 [02:51] <nevercast> OMG a water spawn and lava spawn right next to each other seperated by one stone
#364 [02:51] <nevercast> lol.
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#366 [02:52] * nevercast squeals with excitement
#366 [02:52] <nevercast> This mine is so massive
#367 [02:52] <nevercast> Like there are rooms
#368 [02:52] <nevercast> 100cube in size
#369 [02:52] <nevercast> like holy crap
#370 [02:52] * aetherian slaps nevercast
#370 [02:53] <aetherian> get a hold of yourself man
#371 [02:53] <nevercast> sorry aetherian
#372 [02:55] <nevercast> Thought I never would but I found my way out
#373 [02:55] <nevercast> aetherian, know the best bit?
#374 [02:55] <aetherian> yes
#375 [02:55] <DopeGhoti> less talking more mining. Fo forth and reap the benefits of your find. Reap, and flood no more.
#376 [02:55] <nevercast> aetherian, This entire mine naturally occured, Right under my castle lol.
#377 [02:55] <aetherian> yes I do
#378 [02:55] <aetherian> why hilight me to tell me, I said I already knew it
#379 [02:56] <aetherian> =\
#380 [02:56] <Arkose> DopeGhoti: it's like you think IRC should be different from Twitter or a Facebook wall! Such ideas!
#381 [02:56] <DopeGhoti> aetherian: I don't know why he'd do that to you.
#382 [02:56] <nevercast> LOL
#383 [02:56] <aetherian> yeah dopefish
#384 [02:56] <aetherian> irc==twitter, amirite
#385 [02:56] <DopeGhoti> No. No you are not.
#386 [02:57] <aetherian> lol
#387 [02:57] <aetherian> just saw the coolest thing
#388 [02:57] <DopeGhoti> Arkose: Madness, no?
#389 [02:57] <aetherian> hey guys, tying my shoes
#390 [02:57] <Arkose> also Sparta.
#391 [02:57] <aetherian> mm, this cereal is great
#392 [02:57] <Arkose> I found my other sock!
#393 [02:57] <Arkose> now where did the first one go?
#394 [02:58] * aetherian wonders what he's doing putting on his shoes and eating breakdast at 11:57 pm
#394 [02:58] <DopeGhoti> time zones.
#395 [02:58] <aetherian> brb, FBI's banging at the door again
#396 [02:59] <nevercast> lol
#397 [03:00] <aetherian> BACON
#398 [03:00] <aetherian> omnomnom
#399 [03:00] * bacon away
#399 [03:00] <aetherian> gonna have to disconnect for a bit
#400 [03:01] <aetherian> sorry I'm taking the life of the party away
#401 [03:01] <aetherian> :P
#402 [03:02] <DopeGhoti> we'll survive. Maybe.
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#404 [03:03] <Arkose> hello :)
#405 [03:04] <DopeGhoti> 'lo.
#406 [03:04] <DopeGhoti> and 'night
#407 [03:04] <nevercast> ahh
#408 [03:04] <nevercast> I can't find the awesome part of the mine
#409 [03:04] <nevercast> :(
#410 [03:07] <Arkose> finding the exit is a higher priority :)
#411 [03:07] <nevercast> indeed
#412 [03:07] <nevercast> But I just look for cobble stone to get there
#413 [03:09] <nevercast> Found my castle
#414 [03:09] <nevercast> But I'm sad face I can't find the awesome room with loads or ore and lava
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#418 [03:15] <aetherian> that sure got rid of them
#419 [03:16] <relsqui> whee I got my tunnel where I wanted it to go
#420 [03:16] <relsqui> it's not full of track or boosters or anything yet
#421 [03:16] <nevercast> aetherian, If you stack chests on top of each other you can't use one set of them?
#422 [03:16] <relsqui> but all things in time
#423 [03:16] <aetherian> correct
#424 [03:16] <relsqui> nevercast: it needs space to open
#425 [03:16] <relsqui> blocks above must be clear
#426 [03:16] <aetherian> basically
#427 [03:17] <nevercast> relsqui, ahh okay.
#428 [03:17] <nevercast> That sucks lol.
#429 [03:17] <aetherian> build a 2 wide, 4 tall indent on the wall
#430 [03:17] <aetherian> put a double chest on the bottom, and two up.
#431 [03:17] <nevercast> okay :)
#432 [03:17] <Arkose> or make a really big chest with water ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_usgxEwZFE
#433 [03:19] <nevercast> OMG
#434 [03:19] <nevercast> Minecraft songs?
#435 [03:19] <nevercast> Wow this game.. everyone is addicted
#436 [03:20] <relsqui> haha
#437 [03:20] <aetherian> o.o arkose
#438 [03:20] <relsqui> yeah, I was gonna say
#439 [03:20] <relsqui> the song is the only redeeming feature of that video
#440 [03:20] <relsqui> all other information in it could be conveyed in two sentences of text
#441 [03:20] <Arkose> the music is a good excuse :)
#442 [03:21] <aetherian> relsqui, run on sentences?
#443 [03:21] <Arkose> also I don't have a better example video off-hand
#444 [03:21] <relsqui> aetherian: "build a large chest. put down a water block next to it, then replace that water block with a chest."
#445 [03:21] <relsqui> Arkose: no worries, I just don't get why people choose to use videos for this
#446 [03:21] <relsqui> I would rather just read it :)
#447 [03:21] <aetherian> and do it quickly!
#448 [03:21] <relsqui> maybe see a picture if I need to
#449 [03:22] <relsqui> aetherian: is it actually necessary to do it quickly, for any reason other than "the water will sweep you away if you don't"?
#450 [03:22] <aetherian> you don't know
#451 [03:23] <aetherian> :O
#452 [03:23] <Arkose> "Chests usually require a space of air above it to be used. You can put glass above it and it will open still. This is very useful for low rooms that are one space high or for chests in walls. A chest will also still open if cake is placed on top of it. "
#453 [03:23] <Arkose> hmmmmm
#454 [03:23] <relsqui> ha
#455 [03:23] <relsqui> that's good to know, I have a house with a sideboard right next to the chest
#456 [03:23] <Arkose> delicious cake is no barrier to chest operation!
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#458 [03:24] <Arkose> now if only milk could be poured out and kept XD
#459 [03:24] <relsqui> hehe
#460 [03:24] <relsqui> okay. sleep now. tasty minecraft tomorrow.
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#475 [04:10] <Sincerity> What does org.lwjgl.LWJGLEXCEPTION: Pixel format not accelerated mean? lol
#476 [04:11] <xENO_> It means you don't have hardware acceleration in the video mode you (or Minecraft) are using.
#477 [04:11] <xENO_> Your video board and/or driver is the problem.
#478 [04:12] <Sincerity> My .. card is up to date
#479 [04:12] <Sincerity> lol
#480 [04:12] <Sincerity> So that's why I'm confused..
#481 [04:12] <xENO_> What card is it
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#483 [04:14] <Sincerity> ati 6970
#484 [04:14] <Sincerity> I keep.. LOL
#485 [04:14] <Sincerity> I have a color script
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#487 [04:14] <Sincerity> So it's all like [4:14am] ERROR > 408: #MineCraftHelp Cannot send to channel; colors are not permitted on #MineCraftHelp
#488 [04:14] <xENO_> Hrm.
#489 [04:17] <xENO_> Sounds like you don't have the driver loaded properly -or- you're running Linux and trying to use a version of the open source driver that doesn't support (post-)Evergreen cards (if any do.) That, or you've got your machine in a weird state where OpenGL doesn't work, or you're trying to use a pixel format your video board doesn't support...
#490 [04:17] <Sincerity> Imo
#491 [04:20] <xENO_> Most likely, your dirver s bad or your system is in a messed up state.
#492 [04:20] <Sincerity> Is there a way to download it?
#493 [04:20] <xENO_> Download what?
#494 [04:20] <xENO_> A driver?
#495 [04:20] <Sincerity> The game Lol.. so i don't have to use the site?
#496 [04:21] <xENO_> Classic or Survival?
#497 [04:21] <xENO_> Survival's downloadable from the minecraft site...
#498 [04:21] <xENO_> I don't know anything about Classic.
#499 [04:21] <Arkose> http://www.minecraft.net/download.jsp
#500 [04:26] <Sincerity> Oh and what I was saying Imo..
#501 [04:26] <Sincerity> +CfjnrStT
#502 [04:26] <Sincerity> Is the way to go.
#503 [04:26] <Sincerity> This rooms only +cnt
#504 [04:26] <Sincerity> Which.. is garbage haha
#505 [04:28] <Sincerity> <--- Owns a support room lol O_O
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#511 [05:40] <fogWraith> :|
#512 [05:40] <Arkose> :)
#513 [05:40] <fogWraith> Damn moderator grouped players with item understandings
#514 [05:40] <Arkose> ?
#515 [05:40] <fogWraith> 2011-02-10 11:18:56 [INFO] [PLAYER_COMMAND] ****: /give **** stone 6000000000
#516 [05:41] <Arkose> well, if that's the way they want to play...
#517 [05:41] <fogWraith> It's not like he has flipping WORLDEDIT at his disposal >_O
#518 [05:42] * fogWraith shakes fists wildly
#518 [05:43] <fogWraith> 200 lava now :|
#519 [05:43] * fogWraith turns of spreading, for great justice
#519 [05:43] <Arkose> so are you upset that they aren't doing things legit, or upset that you aren't getting your share? :P
#520 [05:43] <fogWraith> Both :P
#521 [05:45] <fogWraith> ... more stone :|
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#523 [05:46] <fogWraith> This is your fault, DopeGhoti !
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#526 [06:06] <SinZ> ...
#527 [06:07] <SinZ> FogWraith, you do know you basicly said you want moderators that don't know how to use there commands
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#529 [06:34] <SinZ> Bed, cya
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#534 [07:25] <mib_z9vfzl> Hi Help me for hey0 Mod ?
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#536 [07:30] * fogWraith reads up
#536 [07:30] <fogWraith> I see
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#541 [07:57] <raisin> Hello!
#542 [07:57] <raisin> I need some help....
#543 [07:57] <raisin> with my minecraft server
#544 [07:58] <raisin> It says: java.net.BindException: Cannot assign requested address: JVM_Bind [WARNING] Perhaps a server is already running on that port?
#545 [07:58] <raisin> ooops
#546 [07:58] <raisin> [INFO] Starting minecraft server version Beta 1.2_01 [INFO] Loading properties [INFO] Starting Minecraft server on 80.213.98.107:25565 [WARNING] **** FAILED TO BIND TO PORT! [WARNING] The exception was: java.net.BindException: Cannot assign requested address: JVM_Bind [WARNING] Perhaps a server is already running on that port?
#547 [08:00] <GV> problem is that you filled in the server-ip in your server.properties
#548 [08:00] <GV> Leave that line blank
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#551 [08:04] <raisin> But... iwant my server online
#552 [08:04] <raisin> i want*
#553 [08:05] <fogWraith> It will be
#554 [08:05] <fogWraith> Forward your ports
#555 [08:05] <raisin> I have
#556 [08:05] <fogWraith> Add exceptions in your firewall
#557 [08:05] <raisin> I have turned off the firewall in the router
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#559 [08:05] <fogWraith> !check 80.213.98.107
#560 [08:05] <fogWraith> And on your computer?
#561 [08:06] <raisin> I typed in right...
#562 [08:06] <fogWraith> You don't need an IP entered at ALL in your server.properties, it will listen on all available
#563 [08:06] <raisin> Ahhh
#564 [08:06] <raisin> I'am gonna try
#565 [08:06] <raisin> Sorry for bad english..
#566 [08:07] <fogWraith> Same, neighbour :P
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#568 [08:09] <raisin> It says: Failed to connect to the server Unkown host 'my ip' -.-
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#570 [08:09] <fogWraith> Connect to localhost if hosting on your own computer
#571 [08:09] <fogWraith> !check 80.213.98.107
#572 [08:09] <raisin> I want my firends to join....
#573 [08:09] <fogWraith> Tell them that IP that I just sent to AuBot
#574 [08:09] <fogWraith> You need to connect to localhost
#575 [08:09] <fogWraith> Or the LAN ip of your server
#576 [08:10] <fogWraith> If hosted on a seperate machine
#577 [08:10] <raisin> Have you tried?
#578 [08:10] <raisin> On my server?
#579 [08:11] <fogWraith> I can
#580 [08:11] <raisin> Can you try?
#581 [08:11] <raisin> 80.213.98.107:25565
#582 [08:12] <fogWraith> Check your console
#583 [08:12] <raisin> You typed :P
#584 [08:13] <fogWraith> You have the server and client on the same computer?
#585 [08:13] <raisin> Yes
#586 [08:13] <fogWraith> 127.0.0.1
#587 [08:13] <fogWraith> Try that
#588 [08:13] <raisin> 2 sec restart the server :P
#589 [08:14] <fogWraith> Ok
#590 [08:15] <fogWraith> Another happy customer \o/
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#592 [08:19] <raisin> Thank you sooo much :)
#593 [08:19] <fogWraith> Np, enjoy
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#598 [08:41] <Syro> hello
#599 [08:41] <Syro> I'm looking for a french communty for minecraft
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#601 [08:41] <Syro> do you know one ?
#602 [08:41] <Syro> (or more)
#603 [08:41] <ItsCriminal> http://minecraft.fr/
#604 [08:42] <ItsCriminal> regarde la
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#608 [08:45] <Syro> ItsCriminal: thanks !
#609 [08:45] <ItsCriminal> np
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#613 [09:01] <Postoffice> is it hard to make your own texture pack?
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#618 [09:41] <jamster> If i used McMap while the server is running .. do you think there is a chance of corupting the map? I'm running in linux .. i am worried that it will be reading some of the map while MC tries to write to it
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#622 [09:44] <elmo> jamster: try it
#623 [09:44] <jamster> elmo: do you think i should be safe then?
#624 [09:44] <elmo> make it on a "virtual" server
#625 [09:44] <elmo> if you don't want to mess up the map
#626 [09:45] <elmo> or if it screws up
#627 [09:46] <jamster> alright sounds good
#628 [09:46] <jamster> thanks
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#638 [10:16] <kaboom> #risucraft
#639 [10:19] <xales> D:
#640 [10:21] <xales> you forgot to tell the noob to not do that Kealper :_(
#641 [10:21] <Kealper> i told him, he just forgot to listen -.-
#642 [10:21] <xales> lol
#643 [10:21] <xales> well, I'm helping him learn to IRC
#644 [10:21] <xales> he can come back when he stops using Mibbit :D
#645 [10:22] <Kealper> kaboom: it's probably a good idea not to disconnect from this channel anymore
#646 [10:23] <xales> can't talk if your +b in a channel, kealper :P
#647 [10:23] <Kealper> and learn to type /join #risucraft
#648 [10:23] <Kealper> he can still read it :P
#649 [10:23] <xales> might want to query him
#650 [10:23] <xales> he probably won't see it, mibbit has silly 'tabs'
#651 [10:23] <Kealper> oh yeah, those garbage things
#652 [10:23] <xales> (an no hilighting)
#653 [10:23] <Kealper> useless if i query him then, too :/
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#655 [10:23] <xales> lol
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#659 [10:37] <AlpaGee> hey i have a problem so i need some help, since the last update, minecraft has lags (no mod/texture pack) i has tried a fps booster mod, that has worked for one day -.- any idea what i can do ?
#660 [10:39] <xales> Ask question
#661 [10:39] <xales> Leave minute later!
#662 [10:39] <xales> D:
#663 [10:41] <xales> .vprotect
#664 [10:41] <MCHelpBot> Enabling voice protection
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#666 [10:49] <LatHans> what is stored in world/level.dat?
#667 [10:52] * xales pokes Kealper
#667 [10:52] * Kealper rawrs
#667 [10:52] <Kealper> LatHans: depends, multiplayer level.dat?
#668 [10:53] <LatHans> yes
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#670 [10:53] <Kealper> not too much, but it's still very much needed, it's basically header information for the world
#671 [10:53] <LatHans> are there any information about chunks in it at all? like which chunks that are supposed to exists?
#672 [10:54] <Kealper> there are no chunks stored in it, but the seed value used to generate the chunks are there
#673 [10:54] <Kealper> and a few other things, too
#674 [10:54] <LatHans> thanks
#675 [10:55] <Kealper> single player ones store that, plus all the player data like their position, health, inventory, etc
#676 [10:56] <LatHans> what happen if I delete some chunks? will new chunks spawn, and match any nearby chunks? will they be randomly or exact the same as the first time they were created?
#677 [10:57] <xales> I don't think they will match other chunks nearby
#678 [10:57] <xales> but I have no idea
#679 [10:58] <Kealper> they will
#680 [10:59] <Kealper> if you delete chunks, the server will regenerate them
#681 [10:59] <Kealper> that's why level.dat is so important, because of that seed value it holds
#682 [11:00] <LatHans> neat
#683 [11:00] <Kealper> it uses that seed value to generate the psuedo-random map, so if it has the same seed value, it will always generate the same map, down to every last detail
#684 [11:00] <LatHans> cool
#685 [11:02] <LatHans> I'm writing a script to crop levels... like, crop everything that is further than x chunks north/south/east/west from spawn. I'm sure there are some tools for that already, but I just wanted to learn something:)
#686 [11:02] <Kealper> yeah, something like that will work fine
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#688 [11:11] <Dracomantis> Hello
#689 [11:12] <Dracomantis> Anyone around, just a quick question
#690 [11:12] <xales> go ahead and ask
#691 [11:12] <Dracomantis> I got my paid copy of minecraft last night, cleared it with a card online so shouldent have to wait for paypal to go though with anything.. Today it is showing as done, as I can play online and so on, but I can't change my skin as the website still thinks I need to buy the game?
#692 [11:13] <xales> Clear the cache in your browser
#693 [11:14] <Dracomantis> Ok, I will try that, one moment.
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#695 [11:16] <Dracomantis> It is still saying I need to buy the game in order to change skin :(
#696 [11:16] <lukegb> Logout and log in again.
#697 [11:16] <lukegb> (on the site)
#698 [11:17] * xales gives lukegb a cookie
#698 [11:17] <Dracomantis> Tried that many times over
#699 [11:17] <xales> Dracomantis: What's the username?
#700 [11:17] <Dracomantis> xales: Dracomantis
#701 [11:19] <xales> the website says it hasn't been marked premium yet
#702 [11:20] <Dracomantis> But on my client I no longer get "User is not premium" messages and am free to play online?
#703 [11:20] <xales> Try connecting to 'smp.shadow-craft.net' to see if it works
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#705 [11:21] <Dracomantis> Ok, sec
#706 [11:22] <Dracomantis> That works fine
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#708 [11:25] <xales> thats a bit odd...all I can think is just wait a little while then
#709 [11:26] <xales> oh wait
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#711 [11:26] <xales> that would be why
#712 [11:26] <Gla> Good morning!
#713 [11:26] <Dracomantis> What would be?
#714 [11:26] <xales> your username is "Dracomanits" not "Dracomantis"
#715 [11:26] <Glas> Good morning!
#716 [11:26] <xales> Hello Glas
#717 [11:26] <Glas> how's going guys
#718 [11:27] <Dracomantis> :s Shouldent be
#719 [11:27] <xales> eh, fine I guess
#720 [11:27] <Glas> hehe
#721 [11:27] <xales> Dracomantis:
#722 [11:27] <xales> 11:22:02 <+ShadowBot> Dracomanits has logged in
#723 [11:27] <xales> 11:22:10 <+ShadowBot> <Dracomanits> Hello!
#724 [11:27] <Dracomantis> Oh crap! so it is
#725 [11:27] <Glas> Who's up for support? i've got a nightmare error!
#726 [11:27] <Glas> D:
#727 [11:27] <xales> Glas: what's the error? if it's long, use http://pastebin.com/
#728 [11:27] <Glas> not a code error
#729 [11:27] <Dracomantis> Ok, now onto a bigger issue, since I singed up when I was clearly being stupid and not been able to type my own gamertag.... Can you change usernames? lol
#730 [11:28] <Glas> players login and they are floating, chunks does not load
#731 [11:28] <Glas> and falling forever
#732 [11:28] <xales> Dracomantis: I can't, you'd have to email support for that. This is just a community help channel, none of us are affiliated with Mojang
#733 [11:28] <xales> daniel@mojang.com is the address you want
#734 [11:28] <xales> Glas: Do you get the same thing when you log in?
#735 [11:29] <Dracomantis> Thank you
#736 [11:29] <Glas> curiously no
#737 [11:29] <Kealper> xales: no, he can play it fine, but me and dope were on his server last night and lagging BAD
#738 [11:29] <Glas> i am not logging local, my pc is not hosting, but i can enter fine :S, but 3 different players get the same problem
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#740 [11:29] <Glas> oh sup kealper
#741 [11:29] <Kealper> ello
#742 [11:29] <xales> Kealper, sounds like network to me
#743 [11:30] <Kealper> yeah, i thought that at first too, but the lag....is so bad, that it can't be network
#744 [11:30] <xales> is there any kind of firewall between the server and the network, even one with an exception?
#745 [11:30] <Glas> yup, most ports are closed
#746 [11:30] <Glas> only 5001 is opened
#747 [11:30] <xales> is it a software firewall?
#748 [11:31] <Glas> nope
#749 [11:31] <Glas> physical
#750 [11:31] <Glas> Cisco asa 5500
#751 [11:31] <xales> I don't suppose you can temporarily route around it, or shut it off?
#752 [11:31] <Glas> nope i can't
#753 [11:31] <Glas> i don't have access to it
#754 [11:31] <Glas> btw http://pastebin.com/uQLrPwXL
#755 [11:31] <xales> is the server in a datacenter?
#756 [11:31] <Glas> yes xales
#757 [11:32] <xales> is it colocated, or with a server provider?
#758 [11:32] <Glas> what?
#759 [11:32] <xales> colocated = you own the hardware, server provider = rent hardware
#760 [11:32] <Kealper> Glas: is it your own machine that you sent to the datacenter or did you just rent one
#761 [11:32] <Glas> citrix vm
#762 [11:32] <Glas> :P
#763 [11:33] <xales> did you get it from a commercial provider?
#764 [11:33] <Glas> nope
#765 [11:33] <Kealper> might be the fact that it's a VM....the physical machine might be too crowded, or just not good enough to run an mc server over a VM :/
#766 [11:33] <xales> ^
#767 [11:34] <xales> and citrix probably does VMs in an openvz-ish way
#768 [11:34] <xales> aka, they are really bad for game servers
#769 [11:34] <Glas> oh i see
#770 [11:34] <Glas> btw what's better? setting up processor for "programs" or to "2nd plane services", and Ram usage for "programs" or "cache"?
#771 [11:34] <Kealper> because minecraft servers lag heavily (like the type dope and i got last night) when they are starved for cpu power
#772 [11:34] <xales> Glas, if the VM gives you options like that
#773 [11:34] <xales> it isn't really designed for what you want to do with it; that's why its not working
#774 [11:35] <Glas> also set virtual ram to 3gb
#775 [11:35] <Glas> damn brb, people calling me at work
#776 [11:35] * Glas sighs
#776 [11:35] <xales> RAM likely isn't the issue, its probably CPU or disk
#777 [11:35] <Kealper> what os is it?
#778 [11:35] <Glas> wserver 2003
#779 [11:35] <Glas> afk brb
#780 [11:35] <xales> thats also a problem ._.
#781 [11:36] <Kealper> xales: i guess the cpu was only running at around 5% last night when i was testing it
#782 [11:36] <Kealper> but it was like 5 minutes of lag for both me and dope, but Glas had no lag at all
#783 [11:36] <Kealper> and i'm really not exagerating that lag lol
#784 [11:37] <xales> I can practically guarantee the issue is that its in a VM
#785 [11:37] <xales> and a weird (shitty...) one like Citrix
#786 [11:37] <Kealper> yeah, i'm almost betting it's some way that citrix is telling the VM how much cpu it's using
#787 [11:38] <Glas> i see
#788 [11:38] <Glas> but what settings should i have?
#789 [11:38] <Kealper> like, maybe some other VMs on the machine are sucking actual cpu time like a boss
#790 [11:38] <Glas> for processor and ram usage?
#791 [11:38] <xales> it doesn't even matter - it is highly unlikely it will work regardless of the setting
#792 [11:38] <Kealper> Glas: i don't think there is any way yo ucan fix this problem, it's probably not your VM that is the issue :/
#793 [11:38] <Kealper> the hardware itself is probably being pushed too hard to run a minecraft server
#794 [11:39] <Kealper> but i have no idea why it works fine for you though
#795 [11:39] <xales> Kealper, it could be file-descriptor related
#796 [11:39] <Kealper> can i try to log on without anyone else on it? it might just be the first person on the server doesn't get screwed with lag
#797 [11:39] <xales> first connection is fine....any further connections at all = boom, headshot
#798 [11:39] <Kealper> gah, idea-ninja'd
#799 [11:40] <xales> :P
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#801 [11:40] <Glas> sigh u.u
#802 [11:41] <Kealper> Glas: could i hop on your server real fast if there is no one else on it? (to see if i lag when i'm the only one on it)
#803 [11:41] <Glas> enter now
#804 [11:41] <Glas> i logged off
#805 [11:42] <Glas> fuck tihs shit
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#807 [11:42] <Kealper> nope, still lags :/
#808 [11:42] <Glas> im pissed off, just talked with the network manager, and of the 100national 50int connection
#809 [11:42] <Glas> he told me he put a limit of 1024/512kbps
#810 [11:42] <Kealper> o.o
#811 [11:43] <xales> Glas, restart the server, see if Kealper lags then
#812 [11:43] <xales> have him be the first connection that the server gets
#813 [11:43] <Glas> roger
#814 [11:44] <Glas> done
#815 [11:44] <Glas> try now
#816 [11:44] * xales pokes Kealper
#816 [11:44] <Kealper> already on it
#817 [11:44] <Kealper> still laggy
#818 [11:44] <Kealper> this is definately a head-scratcher :/
#819 [11:44] <Glas> yeah it's beacuse the traffic limit
#820 [11:44] <Glas> the network manager didn't told me about that
#821 [11:45] <Kealper> well, that should still be able to handle one connection :/
#822 [11:45] <Glas> xD in that case i could play offline
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#824 [11:46] <Kealper> but yeah, i can definately see that the server's upload limit is seriously borked, chunks are taking ages to show
#825 [11:46] <Glas> yup washington dc speed is like 250kbps -.- when we have a 50mb connection
#826 [11:46] <Glas> what a greedy guy
#827 [11:46] <Glas> forget it kealper
#828 [11:46] <Kealper> works
#829 [11:46] <Kealper> it is the server's internet speed cap
#830 [11:47] <DopeGhoti> I knew it was throttling.
#831 [11:47] <DopeGhoti> Also, g'morning.
#832 [11:47] <Kealper> ello
#833 [11:47] <Glas> lol 2011-02-10 13:47:15 [WARNING] Can't keep up! Did the system time change, or is t he server overloaded?
#834 [11:47] <xales> you forgot to identify, fish.
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#836 [11:47] <Kealper> yeah, it looks like it was being throttled so heavily that my packets would not even get through until after the world finished loading :/
#837 [11:47] <Glas> sigh that's why i was wondering about proccessor and ram usage priority
#838 [11:48] <Kealper> Glas: can you get that speed cap raised?
#839 [11:48] <Glas> i am talking that right now
#840 [11:48] <Glas> it may take some days cuz of burocracy
#841 [11:48] <Kealper> all the issues of world not loading and stuff is because the server just can't get the data to the clients fast enough
#842 [11:49] <Kealper> and minecraft requires a lot of speed to run right :/
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#845 [11:50] <Kealper> started lagging hard when i moved around and had to get more chunks
#846 [11:50] <Kealper> i gotta go for a few hours, hope you get this stuff figured out Glas :/
#847 [11:50] <DopeGhoti> xales: that'd explain a few things
#848 [11:50] <xales> DopeGhoti: :P
#849 [11:51] <Glas> it's fine Kealper
#850 [11:51] <Glas> Thanks
#851 [11:51] <Glas> i will be afk too
#852 [11:51] <Glas> now i am at office
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#858 [12:17] <elricsfate> well this is new
#859 [12:17] <xales> ?
#860 [12:17] <elricsfate> don't remember this one being here xales
#861 [12:17] <xales> "this one"?
#862 [12:17] <DopeGhoti> this.. channel?
#863 [12:18] <elricsfate> DopeGhoti: Ye. Didn't know it existed
#864 [12:19] <xales> it's been here since july, and it's on minecraft.net =/
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#868 [12:40] <aetherian> so how is everyone?
#869 [12:40] <geepee> very good
#870 [12:41] <aetherian> ah, welcome, GP
#871 [12:41] <geepee> thx
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#877 [13:01] <joelos> hey, I need some help. After about 5 minutes playing i am getting black screen crash.
#878 [13:02] <aetherian> details?
#879 [13:03] <joelos> What do you need? I think i have the last crash log
#880 [13:03] <aetherian> yeah
#881 [13:03] <aetherian> pastebin it
#882 [13:03] <aetherian> don't post it here, though I would lul if you did
#883 [13:03] <aetherian> wait... kealper, did you rename your bot?
#884 [13:04] <joelos> http://pastebin.com/C9J7RLWF
#885 [13:05] <aetherian> o.o
#886 [13:05] <aetherian> that's... odd
#887 [13:05] <joelos> yes...
#888 [13:05] <joelos> It is the newest .exe from mc.net
#889 [13:05] <Elvang> Deconstructing a furnace destroys anything in it?
#890 [13:05] <aetherian> psst, whoever's in charge here, take over, will ya?
#891 [13:06] <joelos> happens with both windows .exes too...
#892 [13:06] <aetherian> you have latest java and all that good stuff, aye?
#893 [13:07] <joelos> yeah, will I'm pretty sure java is most recent, I havent seen an update notification for a couple of weeks.
#894 [13:07] <aetherian> ...
#895 [13:07] <aetherian> why don't you... I dunno... double check?
#896 [13:07] <aetherian> rbb
#897 [13:07] <feenyx> open a command line window
#898 [13:07] <feenyx> type "java -version"
#899 [13:08] <feenyx> and hit enter
#900 [13:08] <joelos> yeah.. its the latest
#901 [13:09] <feenyx> 6.23?
#902 [13:09] <joelos> yeah
#903 [13:09] <feenyx> alright then
#904 [13:09] <feenyx> that's probably the least informative crash log I've seen in a while :p
#905 [13:09] <joelos> what's normal RAM usage for mc?
#906 [13:10] <joelos> when its running its about 75%
#907 [13:10] <feenyx> anything up to 1gb
#908 [13:10] <joelos> i've had it peak at 1.5gb
#909 [13:11] <feenyx> I haven't been eyeing it that closely
#910 [13:11] <DopeGhoti> It allocates 1GiB at startup.
#911 [13:11] <feenyx> but it's Java. It'll eat what you have :p
#912 [13:12] <feenyx> that's why it's less than ideal to run both the server and the game on the same computer
#913 [13:12] <joelos> do you have any idea what could be causeing the hang?
#914 [13:13] <DopeGhoti> among other reasons.
#915 [13:13] <DopeGhoti> hmm, You've tried reinstalling the MC binaries, joelos?
#916 [13:14] <joelos> yeah, ive deleted, deleted the registry entries, and reinstalled.
#917 [13:14] <joelos> ive done that twice and the hang still happens
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#919 [13:15] <DopeGhoti> joelos: including .minecraft/bin? (just being sure)
#920 [13:15] <joelos> what, in appdata?
#921 [13:15] <joelos> yeah i deleted the whole .mc dir
#922 [13:16] <DopeGhoti> okay
#923 [13:16] <DopeGhoti> hmm
#924 [13:16] <DopeGhoti> Would you care to try soemthing slightly outlandish?
#925 [13:16] <joelos> indeed
#926 [13:16] <DopeGhoti> Create a new Windows user profile, and see if you have the same problem playing as that user.
#927 [13:16] <joelos> ok, give me an hour or so
#928 [13:17] <DopeGhoti> This will help determing if it's a problem with your system as a whole, or just something else you're running
#929 [13:17] <aetherian> hour o.o
#930 [13:18] <aetherian> you can do that in 5-15 minutes
#931 [13:18] <DopeGhoti> hey, I'm patient.
#932 [13:18] <DopeGhoti> I'm at work, so no rush.
#933 [13:18] <aetherian> what client do you use at work
#934 [13:18] <joelos> yeah im in the middle of an assignment, so i need to finish that before i do this....
#935 [13:18] <joelos> procrastinating is a bitch
#936 [13:18] * aetherian is supposed to be doing school
#936 [13:19] <DopeGhoti> aetherian: irssi via screen.
#937 [13:19] <DopeGhoti> same client I use at home
#938 [13:19] <aetherian> onice
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#940 [13:19] <aetherian> you get to use linux at work?
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#942 [13:20] <DopeGhoti> OS X, which is pretty much the same.
#943 [13:20] <DopeGhoti> (I'm happy with any POSIX OS)
#944 [13:21] <aetherian> >:O
#945 [13:21] <aetherian> mac o.O
#946 [13:25] <DopeGhoti> BSD and Linux are close enough for me. The interface is just fluff; 90% of my work is done in a terminal anyhow.
#947 [13:25] <DopeGhoti> And truthfully, the hardware's really quite nice.
#948 [13:26] <Ayak> Hello, i have a litel problem, i can't play online :/ After 1 or 2 minutes, the game crash
#949 [13:27] <aetherian> mac >:O
#950 [13:27] <aetherian> details, ayak?
#951 [13:28] <Ayak> Windows,
#952 [13:28] <DopeGhoti> Crash log?
#953 [13:28] <Ayak> I connect on 1 serveur, and after one / two minute of the game, internet crash, and i must reboot
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#955 [13:29] <Ayak> for recover internet
#956 [13:38] <Elvang> The location of portals in the nether are based on their location outside the nether right?
#957 [13:39] <aetherian> ayak
#958 [13:39] <aetherian> what kind of internet do you have
#959 [13:39] <aetherian> dial up
#960 [13:43] <Ayak> Yes
#961 [13:44] <aetherian> I found your problem
#962 [13:44] <aetherian> dialup isn't fast enough for mc
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#964 [13:45] <ItsCriminal> custom textures but how?
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#966 [13:46] <Ayak> hum k :(
#967 [13:46] <aetherian> upgrade my man
#968 [13:47] <prs|cYb> hey guys could somebody help me around the multiplayer servers? my friends are online at one server but i cant connect ""connection timed out""
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#970 [13:48] <aetherian> are you inputting the correct ip
#971 [13:48] <prs|cYb> yeah i put the ip from hamachi from the server opener
#972 [13:49] <aetherian> delete it
#973 [13:49] <aetherian> paste it again
#974 [13:49] <prs|cYb> ok
#975 [13:49] <prs|cYb> wait
#976 [13:49] <aetherian> tell me when you're ready
#977 [13:50] <prs|cYb> nope again " Failed to connect to the server ... connection timed out: conect"
#978 [13:50] <aetherian> I didn't say to click
#979 [13:50] <aetherian> I just said to past
#980 [13:50] <aetherian> e
#981 [13:50] <prs|cYb> ohh okay i do it again
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#983 [13:50] <prs|cYb> ok now
#984 [13:51] <aetherian> press backspace
#985 [13:51] <aetherian> did anything disappear?
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#987 [13:51] <prs|cYb> the the last number
#988 [13:51] <prs|cYb> ^^
#989 [13:51] <prs|cYb> yeah*
#990 [13:51] <aetherian> well then, that isn't the problem.
#991 [13:51] <prs|cYb> hmpf any other idea?^^
#992 [13:51] <aetherian> are you sure you did not pick up a space or a linebreak at the beginning of the url/ip?
#993 [13:52] <prs|cYb> yeah 5.135.201.237
#994 [13:52] <DopeGhoti> prs|cYb: Is hamachi still using 5. addresses?
#995 [13:53] <prs|cYb> 5 addresses?
#996 [13:53] <prs|cYb> that was the ip
#997 [13:53] <prs|cYb> 5.135.201.237
#998 [13:53] <DopeGhoti> if so, hamachi will be getting increasingly broken with time, as those addresses have been allocated, hamachi conflicts with them
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#1002 [13:53] <DopeGhoti> solution: don't use hamachi.
#1003 [13:53] <prs|cYb> what else?
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#1005 [13:53] <panitaliemom> my minecraft says i had to find the main class
#1006 [13:54] <DopeGhoti> There's no reason _to_ use hamachi; just have your server operater forwart the port like a normal person.
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#1008 [13:55] <prs|cYb> and where should i get the ip and port without hamachi
#1009 [13:55] <DopeGhoti> But as long as Hamachi keep strying to squat on the 5. addresses, it will work for fewer and fewer people as more ISPs start routing them properly.
#1010 [13:55] <DopeGhoti> prs|cYb: the person running the server would go to ipchicken.com to get the IP to share; the port would be the standart port after forwarding has been set up.
#1011 [13:56] <DopeGhoti> Advantage: it will actually, you know, work.
#1012 [13:56] <aetherian> pfft
#1013 [13:56] <aetherian> hardly worth it
#1014 [13:56] <aetherian> who needs things to work
#1015 [13:56] <DopeGhoti> My playtime must work so that I don't have to work so hard on hardly working!
#1016 [13:56] <prs|cYb> do i have to paste only the ip address or the port too?
#1017 [13:57] <DopeGhoti> prs|cYb: if the server is on the standard port, you do not need to specify it to the client. That's what standard ports are _for_.
#1018 [13:57] <elricsfate> What can cause java to use more space than its allowed?
#1019 [13:57] <elricsfate> in virtual memory I mean
#1020 [13:57] <elricsfate> the server is using nearly 500 and i linmiited it to 256
#1021 [13:57] <elricsfate> 500 MB*
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#1023 [13:58] <DopeGhoti> elricsfate: Minecraft needs 1GiB available to operate properly. By asking itself to limit its usage to a quarter of that, you're going to cause issues. What mechanism did you use for that limit? Was is a hard cap or a soft cap?
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#1025 [13:59] <prs|cYb> it also doesnt work with the ipchicken.com ip
#1026 [13:59] <prs|cYb> ...
#1027 [13:59] <Iam333> Does anybody know when we will be able to change email again please?
#1028 [13:59] <elricsfate> java -Xmx256m -Xms256m -jar craftbukkit.jar nogui
#1029 [13:59] <DopeGhoti> prs|cYb: for the fifth time, the server operator _needs to set up the port forwarding_.
#1030 [13:59] <elricsfate> DopeGhoti: I have run servers with less that that before
#1031 [13:59] <elricsfate> and thats only running a 10 slot
#1032 [13:59] <elricsfate> it actually works fine
#1033 [13:59] <elricsfate> even with plugins
#1034 [14:00] <elricsfate> only get issues every once in a while
#1035 [14:00] <prs|cYb> dopeghoti i dont know what you mean sry^^ where you from?
#1036 [14:00] <DopeGhoti> "issues every once in a while" != "fine", IMO
#1037 [14:00] <elricsfate> lol
#1038 [14:00] <elricsfate> Problem is its taking more memory than its actually a lotted
#1039 [14:00] <elricsfate> I have it limited to 256 at startup
#1040 [14:01] <DopeGhoti> prs|cYb: Vermont, originally. Port forwarding is how someone behind a router presents a server to the internet. That's something the person running the server has to do. Have them go to portforward.com for guides for most routers.
#1041 [14:01] <elricsfate> and then it takes up to 500 MB in residual memory
#1042 [14:01] <DopeGhoti> elricsfate: I am not familiar with any of the idiosyncracies of any Minecraft mods, sorry.
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#1044 [14:02] <elricsfate> DopeGhoti: Well this is more Java related than anything else more than else.
#1045 [14:02] <prs|cYb> server admin knows what to do maybe it will work ill answer you if hes finished
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#1047 [14:04] <grilus5> my minecraft is'nt working it says coludn't find the main class
#1048 [14:05] <DopeGhoti> grilus5: how are you launching minecraft? Have you tried reinstalling the binaries?
#1049 [14:07] <joelos> Hello, I'm back. I ran mc on a new user no crash.
#1050 [14:07] <grilus5> i can't install it
#1051 [14:07] <joelos> back on my normal user and it crashes, this is the crash log http://pastebin.com/kYaUC7DM
#1052 [14:07] <joelos> ive got the hijack this log too if that will help
#1053 [14:10] <DopeGhoti> joelos: well, the good news is that it's not the computer itself if it's running fine in another profile
#1054 [14:10] <DopeGhoti> what I would do is close down any programs or utilities your have running in your normal profile and try there.
#1055 [14:10] <DopeGhoti> if it works, fire them up one by one, until the crash happens again, and when it does, you know where the cupprit is.
#1056 [14:10] <joelos> true, but I can't see anything that could cause crashes within desktop java but not browser based
#1057 [14:11] <DopeGhoti> Even so: close _everyhitng_ you have running, see if it persists. If it does, you haven't closed everything yet.
#1058 [14:11] <DopeGhoti> Check the Task Mangler
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#1060 [14:13] <joelos> if i close everything running i will kill my system.... what happend the last time you tried closing system and svchost??
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#1064 [14:17] <DopeGhoti> joelos: everything not running as the system account, clearly.
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#1073 [14:35] <drezi> hellooooooooooooooooo'
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#1075 [14:36] <xales> hello
#1076 [14:36] <joelos> :dopeghotti, killing all of the processes worked, but i also had to kill explorer.exe
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#1078 [14:38] <DopeGhoti> joelos: might be time to run a fresh malware scanner
#1079 [14:38] <DopeGhoti> (or replace explorer.exe with /sbin/init)
#1080 [14:38] <xales> ^
#1081 [14:38] <joelos> scanned with mbam,spybot s&d clean system
#1082 [14:39] <DopeGhoti> ??mbam
#1083 [14:39] <joelos> malwarebytes
#1084 [14:39] <DopeGhoti> ah
#1085 [14:39] <DopeGhoti> "and none of them identified the Windows virus?"
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#1087 [14:39] <palfi> !aubot
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#1089 [14:40] <xales> what?
#1090 [14:40] <joelos> they all show no infections
#1091 [14:40] <xales> joelos: If it's a rootkit, they may not
#1092 [14:40] <DopeGhoti> ^this.
#1093 [14:40] <palfi> what was the command to check servers response?
#1094 [14:40] <xales> palfi: !check (ip)
#1095 [14:40] <DopeGhoti> Boot a Linux liveCD, and run ClamAV
#1096 [14:41] <joelos> i have no working dvd drive, dont ask long story, but rootkit revealer shows nothing
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#1098 [14:41] <xales> "rootkit revealer" = won't work any more than other antivirus
#1099 [14:41] <xales> ._.
#1100 [14:42] <DopeGhoti> Boot a Linux liveUSBStick, and run ClamAV
#1101 [14:42] <xales> ^
#1102 [14:42] <exp0> Kealper: I just used MCServer which an alpha server and I could get on it just fine, what do you think?
#1103 [14:42] <DopeGhoti> exp0: people still run Alpha servers?
#1104 [14:43] <exp0> It is an alpha server package
#1105 [14:43] <exp0> but my client connected fine to it
#1106 [14:43] <exp0> my issue is that when I run a 1.2_01 server from my local machine, I cant connect
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#1108 [14:43] <DopeGhoti> If your client connected successfully to an Alpha server, your client is terribly out-of-date.
#1109 [14:43] <xales> ^
#1110 [14:43] <DaCheat2468> hello
#1111 [14:43] <exp0> my client is 1.2_02
#1112 [14:43] <xales> hello
#1113 [14:44] <exp0> so it isnt my end
#1114 [14:44] <DaCheat2468> i'm having a problem buying Minecraft :(
#1115 [14:44] <DopeGhoti> and will not be able to connect to a current server. Hi, DaCheat2468. No lightswitch raves.
#1116 [14:44] <DaCheat2468> XD should have known
#1117 [14:44] <xales> exp0: you didn't put anything on the server-ip= line in server.properties, did you?
#1118 [14:44] <exp0> nope
#1119 [14:44] <xales> DaCheat2468: what is the problem?
#1120 [14:44] <DopeGhoti> DaCheat2468: prepaid credit card?
#1121 [14:44] <xales> exp0: define "can't connect" then
#1122 [14:44] <exp0> malformed input
#1123 [14:44] <DaCheat2468> xales: i'm trying to buy it with a visa gift card. could that be the problem? :(
#1124 [14:44] <DopeGhoti> it very well could
#1125 [14:44] <xales> DaCheat2468: Visa gift cards don't work with international transactions
#1126 [14:45] <DaCheat2468> dngit :'(
#1127 [14:45] <DopeGhoti> (by which, I mean "almost certainly yes")
#1128 [14:45] <DaCheat2468> it works on Steam :(
#1129 [14:45] <DaCheat2468> that sucks
#1130 [14:45] <DopeGhoti> Most gift cards like those don't play well with international transactions.
#1131 [14:45] <xales> DopeGhoti: My brother wanted to buy it with a giftcard, and I even spent the time to call Visa to see if they could approve it for that, they couldn't
#1132 [14:45] <DaCheat2468> meh......
#1133 [14:45] <xales> DaCheat2468: Steam/Valve is an American company
#1134 [14:45] <DaCheat2468> guess i'll ask a friend to buy it and i'll pay them back on steam
#1135 [14:45] <palfi> !check 193.71.117.13
#1136 [14:46] <DaCheat2468> alright
#1137 [14:46] <xales> Mojang (Minecraft) is in Sweden
#1138 [14:46] <DopeGhoti> DaCheat2468: cash it out, open a bank account, set it up with PayPal, and buy minecraft that way. Advantage: you will also have a bank account for future use.
#1139 [14:46] <xales> ^
#1140 [14:46] <DaCheat2468> thanks for the help xales
#1141 [14:46] <DaCheat2468> DopeGhoti: ok. i'll try that sometime
#1142 [14:46] <DaCheat2468> *starts to flicker the light switch*
#1143 [14:46] <xales> DopeGhoti: Have you used either CodeBlocks or CodeLite IDEs?
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#1145 [14:47] <DopeGhoti> xales: I have not. The only IDE I've used for more than a couple minutes (IDLE) has been vim (:
#1146 [14:47] <gamakichi> Getting "Java(TM) Platform SE binary has stopped working" error....please help
#1147 [14:47] <xales> gamakichi: When do you get it
#1148 [14:47] <DopeGhoti> gamakichi: pastebin the rest of the error please?
#1149 [14:48] <gamakichi> as soon as i try to load the game in browser or from .exe
#1150 [14:48] <xales> gamakichi: is that all it says?
#1151 [14:48] <gamakichi> it is coupled with another error as well....bad video card driver
#1152 [14:48] <gamakichi> i have updated, uninstalled/reinstalled everything
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#1154 [14:48] <Laurens> i got a prob
#1155 [14:48] <DopeGhoti> holy s[bleep]t. notch replied to a tweet.
#1156 [14:49] <DopeGhoti> (of mine)
#1157 [14:49] <xales> Laurens: What is the problem?
#1158 [14:49] <Laurens> i cant run minecraft
#1159 [14:49] <xales> gamakichi: Did you update your video card drivers?
#1160 [14:49] <gamakichi> yes
#1161 [14:49] <xales> Laurens: "can't run"
#1162 [14:49] <xales> gamakichi: what video card is it?
#1163 [14:49] <gamakichi> removed old drivers, and reinstalled latest
#1164 [14:49] <gamakichi> ATI 4850x2
#1165 [14:49] <Laurens> or i can run but it's quit when i logged in
#1166 [14:49] <Laurens> yes can't
#1167 [14:50] <xales> Laurens: What happens when you try? When does it quit? What does it say?
#1168 [14:50] <Laurens> I logg in and then minecraft close hisself
#1169 [14:50] <Laurens> i get an error file
#1170 [14:50] <gamakichi> xales: minecraft will start loading, and almost finish, then go to a black screen and those errors pop up
#1171 [14:50] <xales> gamakichi: Try this
#1172 [14:50] <DopeGhoti> !reinastall
#1173 [14:51] <xales> !reinstall
#1174 [14:51] <xales> Laurens: Open the error file, and copy what is in it to http://pastebin.com/ and give us the link it sends you to after clicking 'submit'
#1175 [14:51] * DopeGhoti the half-ninja
#1175 [14:51] <Laurens> ok
#1176 [14:51] * xales smiles evily (evilly?)
#1176 [14:51] <DopeGhoti> two Ls, yes.
#1177 [14:52] <gamakichi> xales: what was your suggestion? reinstall?
#1178 [14:52] <xales> looks strange with this font =/
#1179 [14:52] <Laurens> http://pastebin.com/Je3FsPYU
#1180 [14:52] <xales> gamakichi: reinstall minecraft
#1181 [14:52] <DopeGhoti> xales: compare "truthfully"
#1182 [14:52] <xales> follow that link that AuBot said
#1183 [14:52] <xales> Laurens: you need to update your graphics card drivers
#1184 [14:52] <gamakichi> xales: i.e. drag the .exe file to trash, empty, and re-download? ...have already done that multiple times
#1185 [14:52] <Laurens> that's weird
#1186 [14:52] <xales> gamakichi: No - that doesn't reinstall it
#1187 [14:52] <Laurens> because i just bought this pc
#1188 [14:53] <Laurens> but, okay, how?
#1189 [14:53] <xales> Laurens: New PC doesn't mean the drivers are up to date - in fact, it is unlikely they are
#1190 [14:53] <xales> Laurens: What graphics card does it have?
#1191 [14:53] <Laurens> idk :D
#1192 [14:53] <xales> gamakichi: follow instructions here: http://bit.ly/mc_faq
#1193 [14:53] <xales> Laurens: Open the start menu, in the search box, type 'dxdiag' and hit enter
#1194 [14:54] <xales> click the 'save log' button and save it on your desktop, and open that file, and put that on pastebin too
#1195 [14:54] <Laurens> ok
#1196 [14:54] <Laurens> ok
#1197 [14:54] <xales> link?
#1198 [14:55] <Laurens> http://pastebin.com/iVUJMCYN
#1199 [14:55] <exp0> MC is so fun with malformed input errors for 1 price of $20
#1200 [14:55] <gamakichi> xales: ok
#1201 [14:55] <DopeGhoti> exp0: what.
#1202 [14:56] <exp0> MC still wont stop giving me a malformed input when I connect locally to a 1.2_01 server from a 1.2_02 client
#1203 [14:57] <DopeGhoti> again, if you connected to an alpha server from your client, your client is not up-to-date.
#1204 [14:57] <DopeGhoti> you, too, would benefit from
#1205 [14:57] <xales> Laurens: http://www.intel.com/support/detect.htm?iid=dc_iduu
#1206 [14:57] <DopeGhoti> !reinstall
#1207 [14:57] <exp0> read the client version and tell me it is wrong
#1208 [14:57] <gamakichi> xales: it allows the load screen to last a bit longer, but still inevitably ends up with the same errors
#1209 [14:57] <Laurens> ok
#1210 [14:57] <exp0> client has been uupdated so many times, error is in the program
#1211 [14:57] <xales> gamakichi: what is the error again? if its long, use http://pastebin.com/
#1212 [14:57] <xales> exp0: Nobody else has the problem.
#1213 [14:57] <DopeGhoti> If you're not going to follow our advice, why are you here?
#1214 [14:57] <xales> ^
#1215 [14:58] <gamakichi> xales: okay, give me a sec
#1216 [14:58] <exp0> I was, but it didnt work
#1217 [14:58] <xales> exp0: Did you delete the .minecraft/bin folder?
#1218 [14:59] <Laurens> xales: this is what i get: http://pastebin.com/G9nQvBQa
#1219 [14:59] <xales> Laurens: you need to go to the driver/support website for the company who made your computer, and put in the model of the computer
#1220 [15:00] <xales> (Dell, etc)
#1221 [15:00] <Laurens> ok
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#1223 [15:01] <palfi> !check 46.9.143.152
#1224 [15:01] <Laurens> http://support.euro.dell.com/support/downloads/driverslist.aspx?c=nl&cs=nldhs1&l=nl&s=dhs&ServiceTag=4CF6X4J&SystemID=INSP_DSKTP_580&os=W764&osl=du&catid=&impid=
#1225 [15:01] <Laurens> and now?
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#1227 [15:01] <exp0> connect to my server and got BSOD'd
#1228 [15:01] <xales> Laurens: Click Video and Intel - Driver
#1229 [15:01] <xales> and tell it do not use download manager - just download with internet browser
#1230 [15:02] <DopeGhoti> exp0: if you're getting BSODs, you have larger problems than just Minecraft.
#1231 [15:02] <xales> ^
#1232 [15:02] <Laurens> ok
#1233 [15:02] <exp0> Yeah, if only it told me it was something else
#1234 [15:02] <DopeGhoti> "Whenever I start my car, it sprays fuel everywhere. Also, the AM radio reception is lousy."
#1235 [15:02] <xales> exp0: Did the BSOD say "MINECRAFT CAUSED THIS :O" on it?
#1236 [15:03] <exp0> service exception, crashdump
#1237 [15:03] <exp0> mind blaming it on my system for no reason?
#1238 [15:03] <xales> As DopeGhoti said, if you get BSODs, you have larger problems than Minecraft
#1239 [15:03] <xales> especially considering nobody else has that problem.
#1240 [15:03] <exp0> as in?
#1241 [15:03] <DopeGhoti> As in driver, DLL, or hardware problems
#1242 [15:04] <exp0> odd, because nothing else has caused any BSODs
#1243 [15:04] <DopeGhoti> Riight.
#1244 [15:04] <exp0> and I game on it a lot
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#1246 [15:04] <exp0> DopeGhoti: are you looking at my computer?
#1247 [15:04] <DopeGhoti> Java in an of itself _cannot_ cause BSOD. It it literally incapable.
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#1249 [15:04] <DopeGhoti> That's the whole _point_ of Java.
#1250 [15:05] <exp0> so my computer can run different instances of games, but suddenly when I use MC, it has problems, but it is a driver's fault
#1251 [15:05] <exp0> but the driver never has problems when MC isnt running?
#1252 [15:05] <xales> exp0: If you aren't going to listen, and you clearly know exactly what you are talking about, why are you here to ask for our help?
#1253 [15:05] <xales> we will NOT help you if you are going to behave in such a manner.
#1254 [15:06] <exp0> xales: helping is one thing, telling me the same thing over and over expecting different results isnt
#1255 [15:06] <exp0> but how do you expect me to keep listening if you wont listen to me?
#1256 [15:06] <exp0> that is one-way communication
#1257 [15:06] <xales> exp0: We have told you what it is, unfortunately, diagnosing a problem unrelated to Minecraft, with extrmely limited information, over the internet, is outside the scope of this channel.
#1258 [15:07] <xales> If you refuse to accept what the problem is, that is your problem.
#1259 [15:07] <exp0> unrelated? I never happens when MC isnt running, so MC is related
#1260 [15:07] <DopeGhoti> I only crashed my car when I turn left, so my driving problems must be related to left turns.
#1261 [15:08] <DopeGhoti> All cats have four legs; therefore anything with four legs is a cat.
#1262 [15:08] <exp0> maybe if it keep turning left over and over, my car will turn right
#1263 [15:08] <DopeGhoti> In other news, correlation is not causation.
#1264 [15:08] <exp0> if you keep doing one thing, it will give the same result
#1265 [15:08] <DopeGhoti> "Not in Windows, it won't."
#1266 [15:08] <exp0> reinstalling Mc over and over wont fix that it is getting a malformed input
#1267 [15:09] <xales> exp0: We aren't telling you to do one thing. Take measures on your own to solve it.
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#1269 [15:09] <xales> Start with reformatting
#1270 [15:09] <xales> end with buying a new computer
#1271 [15:09] <exp0> I shouldn't have to reformat a partition because of 1 program. If you want to chip in the $1.2K for a new computer, I'd love it
#1272 [15:10] <xales> The problem is not related specifically to Minecraft
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#1274 [15:10] <xales> It is simply not possible
#1275 [15:10] <exp0> yet it never happens when MC is not in use.
#1276 [15:10] <xales> if you do not wish to listen, once again, why are you bothering to ask for our help?
#1277 [15:10] <Laurens> xales: download is done now, i'm installing
#1278 [15:11] <exp0> if you want to give help, give it. Insulting me over and over like I am computer illiterate, please dont respond to me
#1279 [15:11] <DopeGhoti> I will type very slowly so that you can understand:
#1280 [15:11] <SFX_Acidic> !check 99.177.176.99
#1281 [15:11] <DopeGhoti> Java. Can. Not. Cause. BSOD errors. By. Itslef.
#1282 [15:11] <xales> ^
#1283 [15:11] <SFX_Acidic> lol ^
#1284 [15:11] <xales> also
#1285 [15:11] * xales promotes DopeGhoti to the rank of cool dude
#1285 [15:11] <xales> .set mode DopeGhoti +o
#1286 [15:12] <Laurens> xales: gonna restart pc now, im back in a minute
#1287 [15:12] <xales> Laurens: ok
#1288 [15:12] * Kealper approves of our newest cool dude
#1288 [15:12] <DopeGhoti> Wahey!
#1289 [15:12] * DopeGhoti twirls his magic @
#1289 [15:12] <Kealper> lol
#1290 [15:13] <exp0> kealper
#1291 [15:13] <Kealper> yessir
#1292 [15:13] <Kealper> whoops
#1293 [15:13] <Kealper> forgot about kchat, 1 sec, sorry lol
#1294 [15:13] <exp0> have any suggestions?
#1295 [15:14] <Kealper> uhh, what issue are you having?
#1296 [15:14] <DopeGhoti> "Uncle Bob, mom and dad won't let me stick my arm down the garbage disposal. Will you let me?"
#1297 [15:15] <Kealper> ugh...
#1298 [15:15] * Kealper scrolls up
#1298 [15:15] <exp0> malformed input when connecting my 1.2_02 client to my local 1.2_01 server
#1299 [15:16] * xales thought you said the issue was 15:01:38 < exp0> connect to my server and got BSOD'd
#1299 [15:16] <exp0> I did
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#1301 [15:16] <exp0> after I kept getting the malformed input
#1302 [15:16] <exp0> somebody didnt read it all
#1303 [15:17] <xales> we weren't talking about the malformed input, we were specifically talking to you about the BSOD
#1304 [15:17] <DopeGhoti> pot calls mirror black; film at eleven.
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#1307 [15:17] <laurens> xales: it won't work
#1308 [15:17] <xales> laurens: the same problem?
#1309 [15:17] <exp0> I came in talking about the malformed input, you 2 thought it would be appropriate to insult people
#1310 [15:17] <laurens> yes
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#1312 [15:17] <exp0> pot. kettle. black
#1313 [15:17] <xales> exp0: Find one instance where either of us said anything insulting.
#1314 [15:18] <exp0> DopeGhoti> "Uncle Bob, mom and dad won't let me stick my arm down the garbage disposal. Will you let me?"
#1315 [15:18] <exp0> Im surprised you didnt see that
#1316 [15:18] <xales> laurens: All I can say is wait, I've seen people with the same graphics card (the one built into the CPU that isn't designed for gaming) not be able to get it to work
#1317 [15:18] <xales> exp0: You said we were 'insulting' you before Dope said that.
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#1319 [15:18] <laurens> ok
#1320 [15:19] <laurens> so you got a solution?
#1321 [15:19] <exp0> You know what happens when a computer BSODs? they lose the recent chatlogs
#1322 [15:19] <exp0> I cant scroll up with RAM data that doesnt exist
#1323 [15:19] <xales> laurens: Get a real graphics card for the computer, or just wait to see if there is ever support for the kind of graphics chip you have
#1324 [15:19] <xales> 15:10:54 < exp0> if you want to give help, give it. Insulting me over and over like I am computer illiterate, please dont respond to me
#1325 [15:19] <laurens> ...
#1326 [15:20] <laurens> but thanks
#1327 [15:20] <xales> anyway
#1328 [15:20] <laurens> :)
#1329 [15:20] <xales> I have other things to do
#1330 [15:20] <exp0> xales: reread my last chat
#1331 [15:20] <xales> laurens: no problem, sorry it won't work =/
#1332 [15:20] <laurens> ok
#1333 [15:20] <xales> I'm not going to sit around here and play this game
#1334 [15:20] <xales> DopeGhoti, Kealper, have fun.
#1335 [15:20] <laurens> yeah, that's sucks
#1336 [15:20] <exp0> the game you started?
#1337 [15:21] <Kealper> ok, let's get out of this low-blow fest...i'll take a stab at it
#1338 [15:21] <Kealper> exp0: what help did you want with, BSOD or weird input crap?
#1339 [15:21] * DopeGhoti would say something about log files, but decides not to.
#1339 [15:22] <exp0> the malformed input, the BSOD issue was them trying to treat me poorly and unbecoming of OPs.
#1340 [15:22] <Kealper> i said no more poo-slinging :/
#1341 [15:22] <exp0> wasnt poo-slinging
#1342 [15:22] <Kealper> exp0: server address?
#1343 [15:22] <exp0> it is a local box
#1344 [15:23] <Kealper> not forwarded then?
#1345 [15:23] <exp0> nope, my upload speed is really low
#1346 [15:23] <Kealper> hmm...your client is up to date, right?
#1347 [15:23] <exp0> client is 1.2_02
#1348 [15:23] <Kealper> the server is the latest (BETA) version? (1.2_01)
#1349 [15:23] <exp0> unmodded, fresh download and install
#1350 [15:24] <exp0> yes, no mods, just the default download and run
#1351 [15:24] <Kealper> jar or exe?
#1352 [15:24] <exp0> exes and jars in different combos all result in the same error
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#1354 [15:25] <Kealper> using localhost/127.0.0.1 to connect?
#1355 [15:25] <exp0> yes, also tried my insternal IP
#1356 [15:25] <Kealper> and what is the exact error you get? (pastebin, if neccessary)
#1357 [15:26] <exp0> Internal exception: java.io.UTFDataFormatException: malformed input around byte <insert number here>
#1358 [15:27] <Kealper> the primary reason that is caused is due protocol mismatches, have they told you to download the latest server stuff?
#1359 [15:27] <exp0> yup, Ive done it 14 times
#1360 [15:28] <exp0> different locations and switched between jar and exe
#1361 [15:28] <Kealper> is the numbers it gives really high numbers? or really low numbers? (lower than 100)
#1362 [15:28] <exp0> 1-13
#1363 [15:29] <exp0> I did a whole lot of Google searching and put in a ticket with the GetSatifaction site, people claimed there were duplicates with fixes, but none were found
#1364 [15:30] <Kealper> this is probably going to sound like a really stupid question....but have you restarted your computer?
#1365 [15:30] <exp0> yes
#1366 [15:30] <Kealper> sorry for the long response, ssh connection randomly took a crap
#1367 [15:30] <exp0> lol
#1368 [15:31] <Kealper> have you tried reinstalling java?
#1369 [15:31] <exp0> yes
#1370 [15:32] * Kealper is scratching his head
#1370 [15:32] <DopeGhoti> exp0: Would you care to try something slightly outlandish?
#1371 [15:32] <exp0> java 1.6.0_23 JRE 1.6.0_23-b05
#1372 [15:32] <exp0> is it reinstalling the OS?
#1373 [15:32] <Kealper> probably
#1374 [15:32] <palfi> how important is it to use the /stop command to stop the server?
#1375 [15:33] <Kealper> fairly
#1376 [15:33] <exp0> it saves chunks
#1377 [15:33] <exp0> DopeGhoti: what did you have in mind?
#1378 [15:33] <palfi> since when I try to log a server now it gets like 1 fps seems pretty screwed
#1379 [15:33] <Kealper> not doing it could wipe a ton of chunks from your map
#1380 [15:33] <DopeGhoti> exp0: Create a new user profile, and test MC from there
#1381 [15:33] <palfi> guess I'll start all over :p
#1382 [15:33] <exp0> I have done that as well.
#1383 [15:34] <DopeGhoti> Same result?
#1384 [15:34] <exp0> yes
#1385 [15:34] * DopeGhoti still thinks it's an OS, driver, or hardware issue, in decreasing order of probability.
#1385 [15:34] <joelos> :dopeghoti, if it is a rootkit, wouldn't it affect the other user?
#1386 [15:34] <DopeGhoti> joelos: likely
#1387 [15:35] <exp0> I remember you telling me the first time I came in that it wasnt able to be my Os because it hadnt for anyone else
#1388 [15:35] <Kealper> i doubt it's a virus, unless someone is making virii with the train of thought to just annoy the crap out of people using Java
#1389 [15:35] <joelos> but when i tried the other user earlier it didnt crash?
#1390 [15:35] <exp0> I have no problems running it on my dual botted server 08 partition with the same drivers as my win7 home install
#1391 [15:35] <Kealper> wait, disregard me
#1392 [15:36] <Kealper> exp0: open Device Manager, go in to your NIC's properties
#1393 [15:36] <DopeGhoti> it may be using the same drivers, but it's using another _copy_ of the same drivers, which may hav ebeen corrupted in one instance.
#1394 [15:36] <DopeGhoti> As Patrick Norton once said on live TV, "Sometimes Windows just does some funky shit."
#1395 [15:36] <exp0> I literally ran the driver files from the same place
#1396 [15:37] <exp0> if it got corrupted, it would have been after then got installed
#1397 [15:37] <Kealper> why is my ssh lagging >:(
#1398 [15:37] <exp0> kealper: what am I looking for in props?
#1399 [15:37] <DopeGhoti> that's what I'm hypothesizing.
#1400 [15:37] <Kealper> exp0: advanced tab, check for any properties about buffers
#1401 [15:37] <DopeGhoti> "Hey, things in one OS are fine, but not the other." Gee, maybe it's the _OS_?
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#1403 [15:37] <exp0> I might try to run a VM of it and see if I can replicate this issue
#1404 [15:38] <Cairbear> Anyone here able to help me with Bukkit?
#1405 [15:38] <Kealper> exp0: works fine under windows 7 x64, that's what my server runs on
#1406 [15:38] <exp0> kealper: no buffer
#1407 [15:38] <exp0> is your home?
#1408 [15:38] <Kealper> Cairbear: /join #bukkit
#1409 [15:38] <Cairbear> Thanks Kealper
#1410 [15:38] <exp0> DopeGhoti: I was going on that you said it wasnt the OS.
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#1412 [15:38] <DopeGhoti> when did I say this?
#1413 [15:39] <DopeGhoti> If I did, I mistyped.
#1414 [15:39] <Kealper> exp0: my home server runs a pimped windows 7, my mc server runs on said home server
#1415 [15:39] <exp0> the first time I came in here with this issue, I remember
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#1417 [15:39] <exp0> which is why ive been trying so hard to make it work on this partition
#1418 [15:40] <Kealper> but it sounds like retarded driver install or retarded OS install (you said you tried known good drivers, so probably flunky OS install)
#1419 [15:42] <exp0> I assumed that at first. Ill install it to a VM and see what happens
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#1421 [15:43] <ngc0202> hey
#1422 [15:43] <exp0> if I could copy the bootsector, I would toss this partition into a VM
#1423 [15:43] <DopeGhoti> straw
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#1425 [15:43] <mib_l8we3n> Hi
#1426 [15:43] <Kealper> if a VM works, google Mine OS and run that in a vm if you wanted to host off your computer
#1427 [15:43] <Kealper> hello
#1428 [15:43] <DopeGhoti> exp0: dd if=/dev/hda of=/tmp/bootsect.img count=512
#1429 [15:43] <mib_l8we3n> French people here ?
#1430 [15:43] <ngc0202> i've had a SMP server for about 3 weeks now
#1431 [15:44] <ngc0202> and suddenly on tuesday, people stopped being able to connect to it
#1432 [15:44] <ngc0202> i changed nothing
#1433 [15:44] <ngc0202> what happened?
#1434 [15:44] <Kealper> ngc0202: do you host it from your home?
#1435 [15:44] <ngc0202> yes
#1436 [15:44] <joelos> :dopeghoti, no rootkits. Any other ideas??
#1437 [15:44] <DopeGhoti> Are you able to connect to it from both inside and outside your LAN?
#1438 [15:44] <Kealper> did your external or internal IP change?
#1439 [15:44] <ngc0202> no
#1440 [15:44] <mib_l8we3n> Hi, i need somes informations to make a RPG server
#1441 [15:44] <exp0> DopeGhoti: ill be on tommorrow to get it working
#1442 [15:45] <ngc0202> i can only connect with localhost
#1443 [15:45] <mib_l8we3n> Somebody can MP me ?
#1444 [15:45] <DopeGhoti> ngc0202: go to www.ipchicken.com. Is the IP given there the IP others are trying to conenct to?
#1445 [15:45] <Kealper> ngc0202: if you can ONLY connect with "localhost" then your computer's internal ip changed
#1446 [15:45] <ngc0202> my internal ip?
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#1448 [15:46] <Kealper> DopeGhoti: remember, just have them type !myip in here, it's faster and doesn't accidentally give the wrong info :/
#1449 [15:46] <ngc0202> i know my ip
#1450 [15:46] <ngc0202> and i know it's the one they have
#1451 [15:46] <ngc0202> and i am testing with
#1452 [15:46] <DopeGhoti> ngc0202: never hurts to double-check.
#1453 [15:46] <DopeGhoti> !check 67.189.167.232
#1454 [15:46] <ngc0202> ?
#1455 [15:47] <ngc0202> what does that mean
#1456 [15:47] <Kealper> it means AuBot could not connect to your server
#1457 [15:47] <DopeGhoti> testing MC server connection on that IP presently fails.
#1458 [15:47] <ngc0202> oh
#1459 [15:47] <ngc0202> it's off now
#1460 [15:47] <DopeGhoti> that'd do it.
#1461 [15:47] <ngc0202> well, -.-
#1462 [15:47] <ngc0202> i have it on when i test
#1463 [15:47] <ngc0202> but it wouldnt work then anyway
#1464 [15:47] <ngc0202> i have an app for that :D
#1465 [15:47] <ngc0202> although i dislike quoting apple ads
#1466 [15:48] <ngc0202> but
#1467 [15:48] <Kealper> ngc0202: what ip did you set to forward inside your router?
#1468 [15:48] <ngc0202> 192.168.1.101
#1469 [15:48] <ngc0202> ports 25500-25566
#1470 [15:49] <Kealper> start your server and try connecting to that ip
#1471 [15:49] <DopeGhoti> And that is the correct internal IP, yes?
#1472 [15:49] <ngc0202> oh
#1473 [15:49] <ngc0202> also
#1474 [15:49] <ngc0202> the server stays on when i close it
#1475 [15:49] <ngc0202> it has to be closed through Task Manager
#1476 [15:50] <ngc0202> this started same time no connecting
#1477 [15:50] <ngc0202> :/
#1478 [15:50] <Kealper> jar or exe?
#1479 [15:50] <DopeGhoti> !check 67.189.167.232
#1480 [15:50] <ngc0202> !check 67.189.167.232
#1481 [15:50] <ngc0202> yah
#1482 [15:50] <ngc0202> it's up
#1483 [15:51] <DopeGhoti> ngc0202: double-check the router's port forwarding settings?
#1484 [15:51] <Kealper> can you connect with 192.168.1.101?
#1485 [15:51] <ngc0202> one sec
#1486 [15:51] <DopeGhoti> ngc0202: If you can connect to the LAN IP, even if they look right, remove them, save the empty settings, and put them back in.
#1487 [15:51] <ngc0202> no
#1488 [15:51] <ngc0202> it doesnt connect
#1489 [15:52] <Kealper> ok then, make sure the computer's internal ip is still 192.168.1.101
#1490 [15:52] <Kealper> it might have changed
#1491 [15:52] <ngc0202> it says Starting Minecraft server on 127.0.0.1:25566
#1492 [15:52] <Kealper> oh
#1493 [15:52] <ngc0202> if that helps something
#1494 [15:52] <Kealper> yes, it does
#1495 [15:52] <Kealper> stop the server
#1496 [15:52] <Kealper> open server.properties
#1497 [15:52] <Kealper> remove the ip in server-ip
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#1499 [15:53] <Kealper> save, restart server, hey-presto
#1500 [15:53] <ngc0202> i have SimpleServer
#1501 [15:53] <Kealper> oh...nvm -.-
#1502 [15:53] <ngc0202> and it says dont edit that
#1503 [15:53] <aetherian> heh
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#1505 [15:53] <Kealper> try without mods then, your mod is probably broke
#1506 [15:53] <ngc0202> i have
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#1508 [15:54] <Kealper> and you blanked the server-ip line for testing?
#1509 [15:54] <ngc0202> oh wait
#1510 [15:54] <ngc0202> i didnt
#1511 [15:54] <ngc0202> not for that
#1512 [15:54] <Kealper> try that, and restart it without the mod
#1513 [15:54] <ngc0202> heh
#1514 [15:54] <ngc0202> server-ip=127.0.0.1
#1515 [15:55] <Kealper> it should just be server-ip=
#1516 [15:55] <ngc0202> ik
#1517 [15:55] <ngc0202> it was b4
#1518 [15:55] <ngc0202> but simpleserver auto gens it
#1519 [15:55] <Kealper> save that, start server without the mod
#1520 [15:55] <ngc0202> do i have to delete the mod
#1521 [15:55] <ngc0202> or can I just run it with the .exe
#1522 [15:55] <Kealper> depends, how do you start your server normally?
#1523 [15:56] <Kealper> i have never used SimpleServer :/
#1524 [15:56] <ngc0202> with a bat file
#1525 [15:56] <ngc0202> it's a tunnel
#1526 [15:56] <Kealper> is there a minecrafrt_server.exe or a minecraft_server.jar
#1527 [15:56] <ngc0202> yeah
#1528 [15:56] <ngc0202> i just ran that
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#1530 [15:56] <ngc0202> and tried connecting
#1531 [15:56] <ngc0202> which didnt work
#1532 [15:56] <Esx> hi all
#1533 [15:57] <Kealper> try deleting it and re-downloading it from...
#1534 [15:57] <Kealper> !server
#1535 [15:57] <ngc0202> [INFO] Starting Minecraft server on *:25565
#1536 [15:58] <ngc0202> connection refused
#1537 [15:58] <Kealper> still can only connect via localhost?
#1538 [15:59] <ngc0202> yep
#1539 [15:59] <Kealper> do you know how to get your computer's internal ip address?
#1540 [15:59] <ngc0202> no
#1541 [15:59] <ngc0202> dont think so
#1542 [15:59] <ngc0202> is it the address i use to port forward?
#1543 [15:59] <ngc0202> 192.168.1.6
#1544 [15:59] <Kealper> if i can find it, i will give you a very small tool to download and run, it will give you that
#1545 [16:00] <ngc0202> does that look like one?
#1546 [16:00] <Kealper> where'd you get that from?
#1547 [16:00] <Kealper> yes, it does
#1548 [16:00] <ngc0202> it's where i port forward from
#1549 [16:00] <ngc0202> http://192.168.1.6/Forward.asp
#1550 [16:00] <Kealper> oh, no, that's your router's ip address :/
#1551 [16:00] <ngc0202> damn
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#1553 [16:01] <Kealper> yeah, lemme get you this download link
#1554 [16:01] <ngc0202> Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
#1555 [16:01] <ngc0202> Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::e5c6:ac90:bdb5:b482%11
#1556 [16:01] <ngc0202> IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.102
#1557 [16:01] <ngc0202> Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
#1558 [16:01] <ngc0202> Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.6
#1559 [16:01] * AuBot kicked ngc0202 from #MineCraftHelp (Reason: Please do not spam the channel. Your ban will be lifted in about 5 seconds.)
#1560 [16:01] <aetherian> lmao
#1561 [16:01] <aetherian> I was right, kealper
#1562 [16:01] <Kealper> well, atleast he pasted the one i wanted
#1563 [16:02] <Kealper> what?
#1564 [16:02] <aetherian> I asked when I first learned about the aubot kicking thing
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#1566 [16:02] <aetherian> that you should make it ban for longer the longer the paste
#1567 [16:02] <aetherian> you said it will only go up to three
#1568 [16:02] <aetherian> but he posted more than three
#1569 [16:02] <aetherian> :O
#1570 [16:02] <aetherian> g2g
#1571 [16:03] <Kealper> that's just lag
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#1573 [16:03] <ngc0202> phew
#1574 [16:03] <ngc0202> sorry
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#1576 [16:04] <Kealper> you tripped AuBot's auto-flood protection
#1577 [16:04] <ngc0202> lol
#1578 [16:04] <ngc0202> !!!
#1579 [16:04] <ngc0202> i got it
#1580 [16:04] <ngc0202> sweet thanks
#1581 [16:04] <Kealper> it was only a 5 second ban, to prevent people/bots from rejoining right after the kick
#1582 [16:04] <Kealper> anyways
#1583 [16:04] <ngc0202> oh
#1584 [16:04] <ngc0202> lol
#1585 [16:04] <Kealper> go in to your router setings
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#1587 [16:05] <Kealper> change 192.168.1.101 in the forwarding to 192.168.1.102
#1588 [16:05] <ngc0202> i did
#1589 [16:05] <Kealper> your internal IP changed
#1590 [16:05] <ngc0202> and
#1591 [16:05] <ngc0202> :D
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#1593 [16:05] <Kealper> XD
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#1595 [16:07] <DopeGhoti> *sigh*
#1596 [16:07] <DopeGhoti> it was even explained to him, not to flood.
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#1599 [16:12] <DopeGhoti> Well, that was an interesting hour. Now, I eat.
#1600 [16:14] <joelos> yeah, that rootkit problem....
#1601 [16:15] <joelos> running sophos anti rk, and 2 random .exes have stopped running
#1602 [16:15] <joelos> any ideads?
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#1604 [16:19] <joelos> .... anyone here??
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#1612 [16:28] <Benwin> Question/problem. When I log in, it goes to the "Updating Minecraft" screen, the green bar gets about 90% done, and it says "Done loading" in the middle of the screen, yet nothing happens...
#1613 [16:29] <Benwin> Any ideas?
#1614 [16:29] <Arkose> are you running any mods?
#1615 [16:29] <Benwin> Nope.
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#1618 [16:35] <oxE1> i wounder if mc is playable with touchpad
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#1620 [16:37] <xales> Benwin: do this
#1621 [16:37] <xales> !reinstall
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#1622 [16:38] * AuBot kicked VanDamas from #MineCraftHelp (Reason: Please do not spam the channel. Your ban will be lifted in about 5 seconds.)
#1623 [16:38] <Kealper> i love you AuBot
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#1625 [16:39] <Wahrheit> !isdown minecraft.net
#1626 [16:40] <xales> wow Kealper
#1627 [16:40] <xales> it actually worked? :O
#1628 [16:40] <Wahrheit> xales: tomorrow is programming 1 again
#1629 [16:40] <Kealper> i thought the same thing lol
#1630 [16:40] <Wahrheit> xales: pl0x to teach how to tunnel ssh
#1631 [16:40] <Kealper> i was like "WOW! it served it's purpose!"
#1632 [16:41] <xales> Wahrheit: it is extremely unlikely that a shell provider of any sort would allow you to tunnel SSH
#1633 [16:41] <xales> you need to actually own the computer you are sshing to (VPS or dedicated)
#1634 [16:41] <Wahrheit> xales: I have Putty and the school proxy is "proxy.beavton.k12.or.us", actual file stored at "http://proxyconf.beavton.k12.or.us/proxy.pac"
#1635 [16:41] <Wahrheit> xales: My IRC server guy said I could tunnel SSH on that or something
#1636 [16:41] <Wahrheit> I told him I wanted to bypass the proxy and he was like LOLEASY
#1637 [16:41] <xales> Wahrheit: sec, I'll take a picture for you
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#1639 [16:42] <Elvang> Huh, thought bedrock was only 3 layers, but this one is 6.
#1640 [16:42] <Wahrheit> Elvang: BedrockProtectionInsurance.jar
#1641 [16:42] <Wahrheit> or something like that
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#1643 [16:43] <xales> Wahrheit: ok, on the SSH->tunnels options in PuTTY
#1644 [16:44] <xales> fill out the options like this, and when you click add, it should show "D8080" in the box, like in the picture
#1645 [16:44] <xales> http://darksigns.net/screenshots/screen-2011-02-10_16.44.10.png
#1646 [16:44] <Wahrheit> destination?
#1647 [16:44] <xales> blank
#1648 [16:44] <Wahrheit> k
#1649 [16:44] <Wahrheit> That's easy
#1650 [16:44] <Wahrheit> then what do I connect to?
#1651 [16:44] <xales> you then need to configure the IRC client to use a "socks 5 proxy" to connect
#1652 [16:44] <Wahrheit> Lol how do
#1653 [16:44] <xales> the proxy address is localhost on port 8080
#1654 [16:45] <xales> I have no idea, I know how with irssi, but that won't help you
#1655 [16:46] <Wahrheit> chatzilla/mIRC?
#1656 [16:46] <Wahrheit> I could just put irssi on that computer if it's portable
#1657 [16:46] <xales> no, irssi runs like shit on Windows
#1658 [16:46] <xales> by shit, I mean it doesn't actually function
#1659 [16:47] <Wahrheit> oh
#1660 [16:47] <xales> Kealper, guess what!
#1661 [16:47] <xales> I have a friend coming over in a few minutes with windows 7 disk
#1662 [16:47] * xales will be trying that now :o
#1662 [16:47] <Kealper> :o
#1663 [16:47] <Kealper> have you used 7 before?
#1664 [16:47] <xales> nope
#1665 [16:48] <xales> I poked it with a VM when it first came out
#1666 [16:48] <xales> but otherwise, not really
#1667 [16:48] <Wahrheit> I love win7
#1668 [16:48] <Wahrheit> :D
#1669 [16:48] <Kealper> caution, windows 7 has been known to cause fanboyism in certain people
#1670 [16:48] <Kealper> it's really that much of a turnaround from previous MS oses lol
#1671 [16:49] <Wahrheit> trudat
#1672 [16:49] <Wahrheit> aero is hot
#1673 [16:49] <xales> time for backup
#1674 [16:49] <xales> VSS = slow
#1675 [16:50] <xales> :(
#1676 [16:50] <Wahrheit> So guys
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#1678 [16:50] <Wahrheit> What commands should I give my low-end VIPs compared the higher ones?
#1679 [16:50] <Wahrheit> Currently the standard vips get stargate creation, invincible diamond, and bucket usage
#1680 [16:51] <xales> Maybe let low-end have access to nicer kits or something? I dunno
#1681 [16:53] <xales> anyway
#1682 [16:53] <Wahrheit> lol implying we have kits
#1683 [16:53] <Wahrheit> I make my users WORK
#1684 [16:53] <xales> I'm off to let this backup work
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#1686 [16:53] <xales> back later...assuming 7 doesn't find a way to fuck up GRUB on a different volume
#1687 [16:53] <Yohan> hi
#1688 [16:53] <xales> hello
#1689 [16:54] <Yohan> I am looking for a kind soul who could host my server on a dedicated machine Thank you
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#1691 [16:54] <xales> uh, if you are looking for free hosting for a server, you won't get far, and this isn't the place to ask.
#1692 [16:54] <Wahrheit> No such thing as free hosting.
#1693 [16:54] <xales> ^
#1694 [16:54] <Wahrheit> You are welcome to play on my server though!
#1695 [16:54] <Authur> Thanks, but that isn't what I need help with.
#1696 [16:55] <xales> Authur: not talking to you :)
#1697 [16:55] <Wahrheit> Authur, speaking to Yohan
#1698 [16:55] <Authur> Oh.
#1699 [16:55] <Wahrheit> What's up man?
#1700 [16:55] <Authur> Well, I kind of need help buying a gift code for somebody.
#1701 [16:55] <Wahrheit> MCnet is trippy atm
#1702 [16:55] <Wahrheit> Tiene paciencia. :p
#1703 [16:55] <Wahrheit> (have patience)
#1704 [16:55] <xales> Authur: What do you mean by "need help"?
#1705 [16:56] <relsqui> Wahrheit: you're more polite than I am, I'd have said "ten paciencia" :)
#1706 [16:56] <Wahrheit> Oh right
#1707 [16:56] <Authur> Okay, here's what happened. I put in my credit card info, I put in the numbers on the back, I put in my name, and once I was finished, I clicked the Pay Now button.
#1708 [16:56] <Wahrheit> Well, meh
#1709 [16:56] <Authur> But when I clicked the button, it said Transaction Error.
#1710 [16:56] <Wahrheit> Authur, MCNet is kind of sketchy. Try waiting for a while.
#1711 [16:57] <relsqui> Wahrheit: I'm sketchy on imperatives
#1712 [16:57] <Wahrheit> It also sounds like a PayPal problem.
#1713 [16:57] <relsqui> the informal ones are easier to remember
#1714 [16:57] <Wahrheit> relsqui: Only 4 years of hs spanish here, so yeah
#1715 [16:57] <Authur> I'm just scared that it might be because I'm using an American credit card to try paying for Euro...
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#1717 [16:57] <xales> Authur: Are you trying to use a Visa gift card, by any chance?
#1718 [16:57] <Authur> No, I'm using a debit card.
#1719 [16:57] <Wahrheit> relsqui: If we want to be formal, I would say use tenga probably
#1720 [16:57] <relsqui> yeah, I think tenga is actually correct
#1721 [16:58] <Wahrheit> Subjunctive woooo
#1722 [16:58] <xales> Authur: Try it using the card gateway, not Paypal, otherwise, try contacting your bank. Not much we can do about it.
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#1725 [16:58] <Authur> I dunno what you mean by card gateway, to be honest. ^_^;
#1726 [16:59] <Wahrheit> Authur: The non-paypal payment method
#1727 [16:59] <xales> Authur: The "pay with credit card" option, instead of paypal
#1728 [16:59] <Authur> Well, I already did that, but if you're saying for me to do it again, I will.
#1729 [16:59] <Authur> But then again, I might have to wait a bit, like the other guy said.
#1730 [16:59] <oxE1> you can pay through paypal without registration with credit card..
#1731 [17:00] <Wahrheit> Authur: I am the other guy :p
#1732 [17:00] <Authur> Okay. Well, thanks for helping, guys. I appreciate it. ^_^
#1733 [17:01] <Wahrheit> No probs, that's what we're here for
#1734 [17:03] <GV> !ping
#1735 [17:03] <Kealper> O.o who's ban was that? lol
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#1737 [17:04] <GV> ping
#1738 [17:04] <GV> !ping
#1739 [17:04] <GreyBot> GV Your Ping time was 0.491 Seconds.
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#1744 [17:10] <arensirb> I have a question.. inecraft.net is currently down.. With MC being that big, how is this possible?
#1745 [17:10] <arensirb> Does he only have 1 server?
#1746 [17:10] <arensirb> so if that one server is down, everything is down?
#1747 [17:15] <Kealper> uhh...they were moving to a set of servers behind a load balencer, but the load was so large that it kept crashing the load balencer
#1748 [17:16] <Kealper> so they are just one one really beefy server until they find a cloud solution that can handle the traffic, iirc
#1749 [17:16] <arensirb> Oh
#1750 [17:16] <arensirb> But even then, if that ISP is down, what then?
#1751 [17:16] <Cial> arensirb, Minecraft is being hosted on the Amazon cloud
#1752 [17:16] <Cial> but things still crash
#1753 [17:17] <Cial> its not perfect
#1754 [17:17] <Kealper> is it still on amazon right now?
#1755 [17:17] <Kealper> i know it kept screwing up with EC2
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#1757 [17:19] <DopeGhoti> It's still on EC2
#1758 [17:19] <DopeGhoti> they're planning on moving to RackSpace, but, in Mojang's words, tehy want to to it right, not do it quickly (as they did with Amazon)
#1759 [17:21] <arensirb> I think they should go for total redundancy
#1760 [17:22] <arensirb> even if the isp goes down, stuff is upå
#1761 [17:22] <DopeGhoti> Rackspace has multiple peering
#1762 [17:23] <DopeGhoti> they're a pretty awesome host; it's a good choice.
#1763 [17:24] <arensirb> Aha
#1764 [17:25] <Elvang> If I put a cart in a loop around a booster, and let it boost around for a bit, then flip the switch so it exits the loop, will it act like it just got a huge boost or travel about the same as a normal boost?
#1765 [17:25] <DopeGhoti> Elvang: It'll go ferther, but that's still a bad plan
#1766 [17:25] <DopeGhoti> Elvang: it's possible to give a cart 'too much' boost, at which point it'll simple stop.
#1767 [17:26] <arensirb> The best booster is one where both carts stop once per loop
#1768 [17:26] <arensirb> It will run forever
#1769 [17:26] <DopeGhoti> Elvang: The best design is to make a self-resetting system that makes a card reverse direction periodically
#1770 [17:26] <arensirb> DopeGhoti: That sounds harder than the one i usde
#1771 [17:27] <Elvang> Wanted to give my cart a boost just before going over a long bridge, so that I didn't have to have boosters hanging off the side of it.
#1772 [17:27] <DopeGhoti> arensirb: really?
#1773 [17:27] <arensirb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ayhg-yizLUI&feature=related <-- 3:33
#1774 [17:27] <arensirb> i use those
#1775 [17:28] <DopeGhoti> arensirb: that'll break.
#1776 [17:28] <arensirb> why do you recon that?
#1777 [17:28] <DopeGhoti> the cart that loops will eventually stop as I just described.
#1778 [17:29] <arensirb> both carts stop periodicly stop
#1779 [17:29] <arensirb> err
#1780 [17:29] <DopeGhoti> not on the video you just linked to me
#1781 [17:29] <arensirb> Yes
#1782 [17:29] <arensirb> ahh
#1783 [17:29] <arensirb> my bad
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#1786 [17:29] <arensirb> You are correct ofc
#1787 [17:29] <g> i need help
#1788 [17:30] <g> can't make charcoal using furnace anymore
#1789 [17:30] <arensirb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v5cAFYouWY&feature=related <-- 1:18
#1790 [17:30] <arensirb> that one will not stop
#1791 [17:31] <DopeGhoti> arensirb: if it keeps going by in the same direction, it will.
#1792 [17:31] <Guest1390139716> how can I make characoal
#1793 [17:31] <DopeGhoti> Guest1390139716: burn wood.
#1794 [17:31] <arensirb> DopeGhoti: that one doesnt
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#1796 [17:31] <Guest1390139716> wood isn't burning in furnace
#1797 [17:31] <arensirb> use sticks
#1798 [17:31] <DopeGhoti> Guest1390139716: not planks. Logs.
#1799 [17:31] <arensirb> sticks under, wood over
#1800 [17:31] <DopeGhoti> Use planks as fuel to cook the logs into charcoal
#1801 [17:31] <Guest1390139716> ok ty
#1802 [17:31] <DopeGhoti> (sticks?!)
#1803 [17:31] <arensirb> hmm
#1804 [17:31] <arensirb> yeah
#1805 [17:31] <arensirb> that what works here
#1806 [17:32] <Guest1390139716> did it change?
#1807 [17:32] <DopeGhoti> but sticks are such inefficient fuel
#1808 [17:32] <DopeGhoti> Guest1390139716: no, you can use any fuel
#1809 [17:32] <DopeGhoti> coal, sticks, other logs, planks
#1810 [17:32] <arensirb> planks and sticks uses the same amount
#1811 [17:33] <arensirb> 2 wood = 1 plank or 4 sticks
#1812 [17:33] <DopeGhoti> no; sticks are consumed much faster than planks
#1813 [17:33] <arensirb> I just checked :P
#1814 [17:33] <DopeGhoti> at least, there were when I last checked.. If that was changed, that changes _everything_
#1815 [17:33] <arensirb> 1 wood consumes 2 sticks.. 2 wood consumes 1 plank
#1816 [17:34] <Elvang> On the wiki planks and sticks are listed as 1.5
#1817 [17:34] <arensirb> oh
#1818 [17:34] <DopeGhoti> erm
#1819 [17:34] <DopeGhoti> no, planks are 1.5; sticks are 0.5
#1820 [17:35] <arensirb> so 3 wood = 2 plank
#1821 [17:35] <DopeGhoti> one plank will last thrice as long as one stick
#1822 [17:35] <arensirb> oh
#1823 [17:35] <DopeGhoti> so if you use sticks as fuel, you have to restock your furnace thrice as often
#1824 [17:36] <DopeGhoti> to cook the same amount of material
#1825 [17:36] <arensirb> oh, ok
#1826 [17:36] <arensirb> bah, i have to figure out how to use minecart mania on the server im at :-/
#1827 [17:36] <DopeGhoti> if you don't have (char)coal, the best fuel to use is planks
#1828 [17:36] <arensirb> obsidian block has NESW rule
#1829 [17:37] <DopeGhoti> obby has what, now?
#1830 [17:37] <Shadow386> wait wat
#1831 [17:37] <arensirb> in minecart mania its used to stop carts
#1832 [17:37] <DopeGhoti> oh, mods. :p
#1833 [17:37] <arensirb> then push it along when it gets a redstone current
#1834 [17:37] <arensirb> and it uses a NESW rule.. First try to send cart north, then ..
#1835 [17:37] <arensirb> annoys the hell outta me
#1836 [17:38] <arensirb> makes the building of stations prettu hard
#1837 [17:38] <arensirb> I hope pressure plates NEVER is made to be rails
#1838 [17:38] <DopeGhoti> ..what?
#1839 [17:39] <DopeGhoti> or is thos more moddery?
#1840 [17:39] <arensirb> mod
#1841 [17:39] <arensirb> minecart mania
#1842 [17:40] <arensirb> why is notch so against client side mod?
#1843 [17:40] <DopeGhoti> Because they involve reverse-engineering his source code
#1844 [17:40] <DopeGhoti> that's why there are plans for an approved API
#1845 [17:40] <arensirb> ah
#1846 [17:43] <arensirb> about the wiki.. There isnt alot of iron ore out there..
#1847 [17:44] <arensirb> did it say 0.5% or something
#1848 [17:44] <DopeGhoti> Iron is one of the most common ores, after coal.
#1849 [17:44] <arensirb> I cant say its that common
#1850 [17:44] <arensirb> after experience
#1851 [17:44] <Wahrheit> It's pretty fuckin common
#1852 [17:45] <Wahrheit> It keeps getting in my way
#1853 [17:45] <DopeGhoti> http://pastebin.com/bg8X0VL4 <- the composition of my server's world, as of a few days ago
#1854 [17:46] <DopeGhoti> iron ire is the 16th most common block type
#1855 [17:46] <DopeGhoti> (and gold is 15th only because we often don't bother digging it up)
#1856 [17:46] <arensirb> according to wiki, a if you take 100x100x100 there are only 50 000 iron
#1857 [17:46] <arensirb> 50 000 out of 1 000 000 blocks
#1858 [17:46] <Wahrheit> there was a thread about statistics of new worlds on the minecraft forums
#1859 [17:46] <Wahrheit> Iron is pretty common
#1860 [17:46] <arensirb> hmm
#1861 [17:46] <DopeGhoti> that's 5%.
#1862 [17:47] <arensirb> truew
#1863 [17:47] <arensirb> 5000 iron
#1864 [17:47] <arensirb> from 1 000 000 blocks
#1865 [17:47] <arensirb> tjats NOT alot
#1866 [17:47] <DopeGhoti> (wait, that list ins't sorted by quantity. Weird)
#1867 [17:47] <arensirb> mine 1000 blocks, get 5 iron!
#1868 [17:48] <arensirb> wait, that cant be right
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#1870 [17:48] <arensirb> ". It is found in approximately 0.5% of rock below sea level,"
#1871 [17:49] <Wahrheit> http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=86190
#1872 [17:50] <arensirb> why did notch switch Y and Z coordinates?
#1873 [17:50] <Wahrheit> http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1317972#p1317972
#1874 [17:51] <arensirb> According to the wiki, if you mine an 10*10*62 block area, you get 31 iron
#1875 [17:51] <Wahrheit> If you exclude air, Iron is super common
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#1877 [17:51] <arensirb> in relation tostone?
#1878 [17:52] <Wahrheit> http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1317972#p1317972
#1879 [17:52] <Wahrheit> read the post
#1880 [17:53] <arensirb> Iron Ore 0.20426279%
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#1882 [17:53] <arensirb> that is NOT alot
#1883 [17:53] <Wahrheit> in percentages maybe, but consider how many blocks there are when you go mining
#1884 [17:53] <Wahrheit> It also has a .02% standard deviation
#1885 [17:55] <arensirb> Considering how many blocks there are when I mine i think there is VERY LITTLE iron
#1886 [17:56] <arensirb> how many blocks do you recon you have to mine to get 100 iron?
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#1888 [17:58] <Elvang> Sinking a 7x7 shaft to bedrock netted me 30 iron, clearing a 13x13x27 hall only netted me 13. Quite a bit I'd say.
#1889 [17:58] <arensirb> Sinking a 7x7 shaft to bedrock netted me 30 iron,
#1890 [17:58] <arensirb> that is NOT alot
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#1892 [17:59] <Elvang> Meant quite a bit of mining would be needed*
#1893 [17:59] <arensirb> thats about 0.1 %
#1894 [17:59] <arensirb> ewrr
#1895 [17:59] <arensirb> 1%
#1896 [17:59] <arensirb> Elvang: yeah
#1897 [17:59] <arensirb> So much its better to just not do it and worldedit instead
#1898 [18:00] <Elvang> This is why I like caves, though they are a PIA to navigate :)
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#1901 [18:02] <arensirb> I checked my world 1..
#1902 [18:02] <arensirb> Stone: 13499584
#1903 [18:02] <arensirb> Iron Ore: 67800
#1904 [18:03] <arensirb> that is not alot of iron
#1905 [18:03] <arensirb> considering the amount of stone
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#1908 [18:05] <Wahrheit> xales: come tour my server :p
#1909 [18:05] <Wahrheit> arensirb: consider that much of it is found in veins...
#1910 [18:09] <Wahrheit> xales: kealper: how to newline in properties files? @ isn't getting parsed
#1911 [18:09] <Kealper> uhh
#1912 [18:09] <Kealper> you can't
#1913 [18:10] <Kealper> hMod's MOTD could, but that was a special char to hMod to make it do newlines
#1914 [18:11] <DopeGhoti> Last time I dug out some chambers, I netted 40 iron, and that's after using some for picks.
#1915 [18:13] <Kealper> XFIRE Y U NO SUPPORT MINECRAFT YET?
#1916 [18:14] <Elvang> Theres an ini edit that adds support :\
#1917 [18:14] <Cial> Kealper, suggest that now
#1918 [18:14] <Elvang> Worked for me
#1919 [18:14] <Kealper> yeah i know you can hack it to get it into any game you please, but i mean official support
#1920 [18:15] <Kealper> so it tracks it and such, and says when you are playing
#1921 [18:15] <Elvang> The ini edit does that :\
#1922 [18:15] <Kealper> it won't say you are playing Minecraft and such though :/
#1923 [18:16] <Elvang> It is currently for me, all my hours are from the downloaded mc client
#1924 [18:16] <ConMan8> Kealper, it works for me
#1925 [18:16] <Kealper> did they change it since i last messed with ini crap? i call BS >.>
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#1927 [18:17] <Elvang> Theres an entry for the web version of minecraft, you just change the details so it detects the other version instead
#1928 [18:17] <DopeGhoti> Kealper: heck, even Steam can do that (:
#1929 [18:17] <Kealper> oh....so it already supports the web version of Minecraft? derp...brb editing shit
#1930 [18:18] <Kealper> DopeGhoti: i've got steam set up like that but i don't feel like launching through steam :/
#1931 [18:18] <DopeGhoti> Kealper: you don't have to though, IIRC
#1932 [18:19] <Kealper> for me it only hooks it if i launch it through steam :/
#1933 [18:19] <Kealper> wut
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#1935 [18:19] <Kealper> i just scanned for new games and it has minecraft listed in my installed games
#1936 [18:19] <Elvang> xD
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#1938 [18:22] <RenewableMuffin> o-o wow theres alot of people here..
#1939 [18:22] <DopeGhoti> morning, RenewableMuffin.
#1940 [18:22] <Kealper> just the usual amount O.o
#1941 [18:22] <ConMan8> not much compared to other channels
#1942 [18:22] <ConMan8> not necessarily on this network
#1943 [18:23] <RenewableMuffin> Hey DopeGhoti (*cough* its evening here *cough) and this is the most ive seen in an IRC xD
#1944 [18:23] <Kealper> #minecraft can top out at almost 800 people on a busy day :/
#1945 [18:23] <DopeGhoti> it's morning on half the planet; I just round up.
#1946 [18:23] <Kealper> DopeGhoti: nice.
#1947 [18:23] <RenewableMuffin> Lol
#1948 [18:23] <ConMan8> But saing "morning/afternoon/evening" is cooler
#1949 [18:24] <DopeGhoti> but they're all equally accurate at all times.
#1950 [18:24] <RenewableMuffin> lol
#1951 [18:25] <Jackson413> hey dudes
#1952 [18:26] <Jackson413> i have a general question
#1953 [18:26] * Kealper hides behind AuBot
#1953 [18:26] <Jackson413> lmfao
#1954 [18:26] <Jackson413> can i send money to someone elses paypal acc using my paypal?
#1955 [18:27] <GV> Yes
#1956 [18:27] <Jackson413> ok thx lol
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#1959 [18:36] <DopeGhoti> log in, click 'send funds', follow directions, but use my email address.
#1960 [18:36] <Kealper> XD
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#1967 [18:50] <aetherian> heya guys
#1968 [18:50] <DopeGhoti> 'lo
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#1971 [18:51] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> Hey, uhhhh
#1972 [18:52] <SkiingPenguins> ?
#1973 [18:52] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> I'm having some issues with making a minecraft server
#1974 [18:52] <SkiingPenguins> ok
#1975 [18:52] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> I can connect to it, but my friends cannot
#1976 [18:52] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> I've port forwarded, ran the server, updated my java...
#1977 [18:52] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> To join my server, they need to go to multiplayer and type in: Myipaddress:25565 , right?
#1978 [18:52] <SkiingPenguins> yes
#1979 [18:53] <SkiingPenguins> your external ip address
#1980 [18:53] <Kealper> if it is running on port 25565 they do not need to include the :25565 though
#1981 [18:53] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> Yes, and my external ip address is found on whatismyip.com, right?
#1982 [18:53] <SkiingPenguins> yes
#1983 [18:53] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> Yeah, it doesn't work. They get a connection timed out error.
#1984 [18:54] <Kealper> hmm...are you sure the port forwarding is correct?
#1985 [18:54] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> I'm almost positive
#1986 [18:54] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> I port forwarded for my router/192.168.0.1
#1987 [18:54] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> And I've portforwarded for my USB internet card thing
#1988 [18:54] <Kealper> what ip did you set in the forward
#1989 [18:54] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> which is 192.168.0.44
#1990 [18:54] <SkiingPenguins> you forwarded ports for your router's ip?
#1991 [18:54] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> Yeah...the router's IP is 192.168.0.1 usually, yeh?
#1992 [18:55] <SkiingPenguins> well dont forward the ports to it
#1993 [18:55] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> ?
#1994 [18:55] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> Here
#1995 [18:55] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> I'll take a pic
#1996 [18:55] <SkiingPenguins> do that please
#1997 [18:55] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> Is my external IP my WAN IP?
#1998 [18:55] <SkiingPenguins> i believe so
#1999 [18:56] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> Here you are: http://img204.imageshack.us/i/pichac.png/
#2000 [18:57] <Kealper> remove the first forward
#2001 [18:57] <Kealper> that is screwing it up
#2002 [18:57] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> Okay
#2003 [18:57] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> I'll try
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#2005 [18:58] <Wahrheit> !isdown minecraft.summaxr.com
#2006 [18:58] <GreyBot> Wahrheit: It's not just you! http://minecraft.summaxr.com looks down from here.
#2007 [18:58] <Wahrheit> FUCKFUCKFUCK
#2008 [18:58] <SkiingPenguins> [Z]Jake|Cpt dont forward the ports to your router ip, forward the ports to the IP RUNNING the server :)
#2009 [18:59] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> Wait
#2010 [18:59] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> Skiing
#2011 [18:59] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> Which IP would that be?
#2012 [19:00] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> I'm lost.
#2013 [19:00] <Kealper> just....do what i said
#2014 [19:00] <DopeGhoti> [Z]Jake|Cpt: To know the right IP, go to www.ipchicken.com
#2015 [19:00] <DopeGhoti> (from the server)
#2016 [19:00] <Kealper> stop confuesing him everyone >.>
#2017 [19:00] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> Uh...you can't enter that as a LAN ip
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#2019 [19:00] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> lol.\
#2020 [19:00] <SkiingPenguins> Kealper maybe he should be smarter >:|
#2021 [19:00] <arensirb> nat destroys the internet so bad :|
#2022 [19:00] <Kealper> [Z]Jake|Cpt: just do what i said, and deactive or remove that first entry in your forward list
#2023 [19:00] <arensirb> Im glad i have 13 IP's
#2024 [19:00] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> kk
#2025 [19:00] <DopeGhoti> [Z]Jake|Cpt: Go to that site, it will give you an IP. That is your WAN IP, which people will connect to.
#2026 [19:01] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> I know.
#2027 [19:01] <Kealper> DopeGhoti: he knows his external
#2028 [19:01] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> That's not what I'm asking >.<
#2029 [19:01] <DopeGhoti> ah
#2030 [19:01] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> Kealper
#2031 [19:01] <DopeGhoti> sorry.
#2032 [19:01] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> I'm testing in 5 mins
#2033 [19:01] <Kealper> he had his forwarding set up horribly wrong
#2034 [19:01] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> when friend is ready
#2035 [19:01] <Kealper> [Z]Jake|Cpt: just type !check
#2036 [19:01] <Kealper> in here
#2037 [19:01] <Kealper> AuBot (in here) will attempt a connection to your ip on port 25565 and if it can connect, it says so
#2038 [19:03] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> Do I do !check then my server IP?
#2039 [19:03] <mbentley> yup
#2040 [19:03] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> Alright. another thing, I get this error- [WARNING] Can't keep up! Did the system time change, or is the server overloaded?
#2041 [19:03] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> I updated my java
#2042 [19:03] <Kealper> well, you could, but since you are IRCing off the same network that you are hosting from, you don't need the ip, just !check
#2043 [19:03] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> and sync'd my clock
#2044 [19:03] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> :\
#2045 [19:03] <mbentley> that is pretty normal
#2046 [19:03] <DopeGhoti> [Z]Jake|Cpt: that message is normal, and can be ignored.
#2047 [19:03] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> !check
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#2049 [19:04] <mbentley> as long as you don't have lag, you can ignore it
#2050 [19:04] <arensirb> What does it mean?
#2051 [19:04] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> o
#2052 [19:04] <DopeGhoti> it means "Notch made my sanity checks overly sensitive"
#2053 [19:04] <Kealper> [Z]Jake|Cpt: in your minecraft server console you should have seen a connection open and close really fast
#2054 [19:04] <arensirb> And I have a question about backup. Can the world folder be copied while server is running?
#2055 [19:04] <Kealper> yesish
#2056 [19:04] <arensirb> Goodie
#2057 [19:04] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> Yup
#2058 [19:04] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> [INFO] /67.177.131.104:64445 lost connection
#2059 [19:04] <DopeGhoti> arensirb: Yes, but you should execute save-off on the console before, and save-on after
#2060 [19:04] <mbentley> arensirb: yes but it is best to do a 'save-all' then 'save-off'
#2061 [19:04] <Rivitingone> I've done it before with no problems
#2062 [19:05] <Kealper> [Z]Jake|Cpt: that'd be aubot, your server works now
#2063 [19:05] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> ty <3
#2064 [19:05] <mbentley> once your world gets past a certain size you might start running into problems
#2065 [19:05] <Rivitingone> Is the auth server still on the fritz?
#2066 [19:05] <arensirb> Oh, and btw. what specs should a server have to run a MP server? Do you have any ideas?
#2067 [19:05] <DopeGhoti> arensirb: realistically, at least a 2 GHz CPI and 2 GB of RAM, one GB of which would be dedicated to the server
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#2069 [19:06] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> Dope
#2070 [19:06] <arensirb> Im looking at bukkit's site.. What is this licensing they are talking about? " Going into the meeting, we were hoping to tackle the licensing issue "
#2071 [19:06] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> Is 3GB of RAM and 2.4GHZ enough to play on a 2-person server?
#2072 [19:07] <LatHans> yes
#2073 [19:07] <The> I get pinged instantly after I nickchange :D
#2074 [19:07] <arensirb> People look blindly at Ghz
#2075 [19:08] <aetherian> waaaitt... how can I figure out how much ram I can upgrade my computer to? /me is confused
#2076 [19:08] <arensirb> I have a 2.66 GHz i5.. dont tell me thats the same as a 2.66ghz core2duo
#2077 [19:08] <Rivitingone> Are you running a 32 or 64 bit?
#2078 [19:08] <aetherian> 64 bit
#2079 [19:08] <arensirb> Alot..
#2080 [19:08] <aetherian> lul
#2081 [19:08] <Arkose> so as much as your motherboard can take
#2082 [19:08] <Rivitingone> a terabite or so
#2083 [19:08] <aetherian> wha
#2084 [19:08] <Kealper> Rivitingone: more
#2085 [19:08] <aetherian> o.o
#2086 [19:08] <Arkose> 64-bit RAM cap depends on the OS actually.
#2087 [19:08] <aetherian> who is talking to who now?
#2088 [19:09] <Kealper> windows server 2008 r2 can address up to 2TB of ram, so....
#2089 [19:09] <Rivitingone> I was talking to you aeth
#2090 [19:09] <Kealper> aetherian: is money a problem?
#2091 [19:09] <aetherian> I'm thinking in theory
#2092 [19:09] <Kealper> just get as much as your mobo will take then
#2093 [19:09] <arensirb> aetherian: We just changed to RAM talk as far as I can see
#2094 [19:09] <aetherian> motherboard, kealper?
#2095 [19:10] <arensirb> Kealper: Would a mc server run alot better with 8gigs vs 2 gigs?
#2096 [19:10] <Rivitingone> I've got 4GB ram and I've never touched a 1.4 of it with my server
#2097 [19:10] <Kealper> mobo = motherboard, yes
#2098 [19:10] <aetherian> well then, I need to figure out what motherboard I have.
#2099 [19:10] <Kealper> arensirb: not with the default allocation
#2100 [19:10] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> Kealper
#2101 [19:10] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> My friend is getting this error
#2102 [19:10] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> [INFO] Disconnecting DUGGERRZZ [/70.73.127.187:2551]: Took too long to log i
#2103 [19:10] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> Why is that happening?
#2104 [19:10] <Kealper> [Z]Jake|Cpt: minecraft.net must be screwing up
#2105 [19:10] <aetherian> because
#2106 [19:10] <aetherian> it's taking too long to log in
#2107 [19:10] <aetherian> :O
#2108 [19:10] <Rivitingone> Yeah I can't login to my server
#2109 [19:11] <arensirb> Kealper: What about hd perfomance?
#2110 [19:11] <Kealper> stop your server, go in to server.properties, set online-mode to false, save, start server again
#2111 [19:11] <Rivitingone> and I'm on the same computer as the server...
#2112 [19:11] <arensirb> yeah, what is that online-mode thing?
#2113 [19:11] <Kealper> arensirb: does not matter unless it's insanely bad
#2114 [19:11] <Kealper> makes it check minecraft.net to see if user x actually paid
#2115 [19:11] <aetherian> is it just me, or does minecraft fancy require a shit-ton of resources
#2116 [19:11] <arensirb> Kealper: I guess the size of the world would have alot to say?
#2117 [19:11] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> Kealper
#2118 [19:11] <Kealper> if it's disabled, it will just assume they paid
#2119 [19:11] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> uhm
#2120 [19:11] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> If it's offline?...
#2121 [19:11] <arensirb> Kealper: oh
#2122 [19:11] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> How can he connect?
#2123 [19:11] <arensirb> I paid for mine! (Just so thats said)
#2124 [19:12] <aetherian> :D
#2125 [19:12] <Rivitingone> hmm I'm going to try that now.
#2126 [19:12] <arensirb> but dang, notch has made ALOT of money
#2127 [19:12] <Kealper> [Z]Jake|Cpt: just trust me, it will let him connect
#2128 [19:12] <arensirb> just by making some game
#2129 [19:12] <arensirb> where you hack at nlocks
#2130 [19:12] <arensirb> In my honest opinion, minecraft TODAY is nothing more than running around tapping blocks around
#2131 [19:13] <Kealper> arensirb: divide that number by two, and that is what he nets, but that is not going to him, it goes to pay the bills, pay the employees, etc
#2132 [19:13] <Rivitingone> sweet that worked
#2133 [19:13] <DopeGhoti> Minecraft is first-person Lego with zombies and boolean logic. What's not to like?
#2134 [19:13] <aetherian> uhhh
#2135 [19:13] <Rivitingone> now if only there was a way to get the game running when the server is down too
#2136 [19:13] <aetherian> the amount of resources it requires
#2137 [19:13] <arensirb> DopeGhoti: The ability to sit?
#2138 [19:14] <Kealper> arensirb: hold shift
#2139 [19:14] <DopeGhoti> I sit nearly all the time I play the game.
#2140 [19:14] <aetherian> not really
#2141 [19:14] <arensirb> Kealper: sitting down as in a chair
#2142 [19:14] <Kealper> ehh
#2143 [19:14] <Kealper> you need chairs for that >.>
#2144 [19:14] <DopeGhoti> I think you're looking for CrochetCraft; not MineCraft.
#2145 [19:14] <DopeGhoti> possibly KnitCraft
#2146 [19:14] <aetherian> o.o
#2147 [19:14] <aetherian> I read that as crotchcraft
#2148 [19:15] <DopeGhoti> Yes, because that would have made sense.
#2149 [19:15] <arensirb> hehe
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#2151 [19:15] <Awesomeness> Hey guys.
#2152 [19:15] <arensirb> hell, i dont know, i probably got some stuff
#2153 [19:15] <DopeGhoti> Yay! #MineCraftHelp how has Awesomeness. Our lives are complete.
#2154 [19:15] <arensirb> I would change the factor for the world creation
#2155 [19:15] <Awesomeness> <3
#2156 [19:15] <arensirb> imma go see a movie and eat pizza
#2157 [19:15] <arensirb> laters
#2158 [19:15] <Kealper> lol
#2159 [19:15] * aetherian slaps awesomeness
#2159 [19:15] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> Kealper
#2160 [19:16] <Awesomeness> D:
#2161 [19:16] <Kealper> [Z]Jake|Cpt: yessir
#2162 [19:16] <aetherian> >:D
#2163 [19:16] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> My minecraft server is really laggy + is there a way to generate a new world?
#2164 [19:16] <DopeGhoti> arensirb: the.. factor for the.. whaa?
#2165 [19:16] <arensirb> How much
#2166 [19:16] <DopeGhoti> [Z]Jake|Cpt: yes: delete the world directory
#2167 [19:16] * Awesomeness makes puppy eyes against aeterian
#2167 [19:16] <arensirb> or should i say very little iron there is
#2168 [19:16] <Awesomeness> =D
#2169 [19:16] * aetherian dislikes dogs
#2169 [19:16] <Kealper> [Z]Jake|Cpt: what are your computer's specs, and just stop the server, delete the "world" folder and start it again
#2170 [19:16] <Kealper> you know what's Awesomeness?
#2171 [19:16] <DopeGhoti> Mine custard?
#2172 [19:16] <Kealper> pressing ae and hitting tab
#2173 [19:16] <DopeGhoti> er, mint
#2174 [19:17] <Awesomeness> :/
#2175 [19:17] <Kealper> mint custard does sound kinda awesome thing
#2176 [19:17] <Kealper> though*
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#2178 [19:17] <Kealper> thing....how'd i get thing from though
#2179 [19:17] <arensirb> watching megamind :P
#2180 [19:17] <DopeGhoti> Kealper: why is autocompleting aetherian's Awesomeness?
#2181 [19:17] <aetherian> hey greyvulpine, you should make a greybot channel so that people can abuse your stupid bot without getting kicked/banned from #minecraft
#2182 [19:17] <DopeGhoti> Kealper: well, mint custard _is_ an awesome thing :)
#2183 [19:17] * Awesomeness changes teh topic. WHY MEEE.
#2183 [19:17] <Kealper> DopeGhoti: he spelled it wrong lol
#2184 [19:17] <aetherian> heh
#2185 [19:18] <aetherian> I never use tab
#2186 [19:18] <aetherian> or any shrotcuts
#2187 [19:18] <aetherian> shortcuts
#2188 [19:18] <aetherian> I do use typos, however
#2189 [19:18] <DopeGhoti> Oh, so do I
#2190 [19:18] * DopeGhoti has /sbin/typod as a replacement for /sbin/init
#2190 [19:18] <DopeGhoti> damnable typo daemon.
#2191 [19:18] <Kealper> XD
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#2193 [19:19] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> Kealper
#2194 [19:19] <Kealper> ?
#2195 [19:19] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> 3 gb ram
#2196 [19:19] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> 2.4 ghz processor
#2197 [19:19] <EmpiresBane> i may be on and active more often soon
#2198 [19:19] <DopeGhoti> hey, I can list nouns too!
#2199 [19:20] <EmpiresBane> i just got ndiswrapper working... i think
#2200 [19:20] <DopeGhoti> no mean feat, that.
#2201 [19:20] <EmpiresBane> now i just got to find the drivers, and hope i didn't shred them
#2202 [19:21] <Awesomeness> ...guys?
#2203 [19:21] <aetherian> nonono
#2204 [19:21] <aetherian> import typo
#2205 [19:21] <EmpiresBane> yes?
#2206 [19:21] <DopeGhoti> Awesomeness: mm?
#2207 [19:21] <Awesomeness> http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=172985
#2208 [19:21] <aetherian> Awesomeness: what?
#2209 [19:21] <Awesomeness> These guys are giving me a hard time about my mods
#2210 [19:21] <aetherian> oh
#2211 [19:22] <Awesomeness> They are calling them viruses
#2212 [19:22] <aetherian> so?
#2213 [19:22] <Awesomeness> Even tho I posted a virus scan
#2214 [19:22] <aetherian> just lul at them and move on
#2215 [19:22] <Awesomeness> only some of them believe me now. :(
#2216 [19:22] <Awesomeness> But it's mah first mod thread. D:
#2217 [19:22] <DopeGhoti> Not only is this not mod support, this is also not mod PR support :p
#2218 [19:22] <Awesomeness> pr?
#2219 [19:22] <EmpiresBane> Public Relations
#2220 [19:23] <Awesomeness> oh. lmao
#2221 [19:23] <EmpiresBane> I'd just make a video if you can
#2222 [19:23] <Awesomeness> That would be great
#2223 [19:23] <Awesomeness> so those will shut up already.
#2224 [19:23] <DopeGhoti> post the source; that's better than a video.
#2225 [19:23] <Awesomeness> Is that legal?
#2226 [19:23] <aetherian> ...
#2227 [19:23] <Awesomeness> *noob*
#2228 [19:24] <DopeGhoti> Is your source your own, or did you modify someone else's?
#2229 [19:24] <DopeGhoti> Like, say, Notch's?
#2230 [19:24] <aetherian> noooo, you made it, you'd be violating your nonexistend copyright somehow
#2231 [19:24] <aetherian> oh right, fish
#2232 [19:24] <Awesomeness> I just edited the gravel file
#2233 [19:24] <Awesomeness> and made flint drop 100% chance.
#2234 [19:24] <DopeGhoti> that'd be modifying some else's source code
#2235 [19:25] <DopeGhoti> distributing that would be a violation of Minecraft's copyright.
#2236 [19:25] <Arkose> wouldn't it be easier to make a skeleton spawner trap? :P
#2237 [19:25] <DopeGhoti> I shall not discuss it further here, other than to say: don't.
#2238 [19:25] <Awesomeness> I won't.
#2239 [19:25] <Awesomeness> Empire, thanks for the vid.
#2240 [19:25] <Awesomeness> you rock. :p
#2241 [19:25] <EmpiresBane> wait, what?
#2242 [19:26] <EmpiresBane> i believe there has been a miscommunication here...
#2243 [19:26] <Awesomeness> aren't you making a vid? D:
#2244 [19:26] <DopeGhoti> EmpiresBane: I think Awesomeness misparsed "I'd" as "I'll" about 20 lines ago
#2245 [19:26] <aetherian> o.o
#2246 [19:26] <aetherian> I lul at one of these posters
#2247 [19:27] <EmpiresBane> oh... no, i was just suggesting that you make one, if you can.
#2248 [19:27] <EmpiresBane> but after reading the thread, i wouldn't even worry about it
#2249 [19:27] <DopeGhoti> what is 'lul' supposed to mean, anyhow? 'laughing under libations'?
#2250 [19:27] <aetherian> g2g
#2251 [19:27] <Awesomeness> I would make a vid, just my upload speed is horrible.
#2252 [19:27] <Awesomeness> It's like 0.15?
#2253 [19:27] <Awesomeness> ...
#2254 [19:27] <Kealper> o.o
#2255 [19:27] <EmpiresBane> it seems like it was only one or two idiots who won't bother you anymore
#2256 [19:27] <Awesomeness> and the file is HUGE.
#2257 [19:28] <EmpiresBane> shouldn't be that big
#2258 [19:28] <EmpiresBane> MAYBE a couple MBs
#2259 [19:28] <Awesomeness> *GBs.
#2260 [19:28] <Awesomeness> D:
#2261 [19:28] <EmpiresBane> ...
#2262 [19:28] <EmpiresBane> i think you messed up?
#2263 [19:29] <Awesomeness> No.
#2264 [19:29] <DopeGhoti> Sure, if you pontificate for thirty minutes at 1080p about the wonders of gravel in wonderout dodacaphonic aroundsound
#2265 [19:29] <EmpiresBane> a minute long video cannot be a GB
#2266 [19:29] <DopeGhoti> then _maybe_ you'll get to a GiB
#2267 [19:30] <EmpiresBane> it doesn't even matter anymore.
#2268 [19:30] <EmpiresBane> unless you add more to that mod, i doubt anybody will disbelieve you
#2269 [19:31] <DopeGhoti> I still don't think that mod should be handed out, as it's just Notch's code with one statement modified (as described), which I doubt Notch has granted permission for.
#2270 [19:32] <EmpiresBane> DopeGhoti, distributing the file is allowed
#2271 [19:32] <EmpiresBane> as long as it is just the modified file(s)
#2272 [19:32] <DopeGhoti> Really? Notch release the copyright on his source code?
#2273 [19:33] <Cial> its complicated
#2274 [19:33] <EmpiresBane> do you really believe that the modding section on the official forums would be allowed to stay up if it were illegal?
#2275 [19:34] <DopeGhoti> Deobfuscating the code is a grey enough area that I'll just not get into right now, but my understanding is that most of the mods add entirely new functionality, and thus are more than just a tiny switchflip on Notch's code, and are thus more arguably original content
#2276 [19:34] <Awesomeness> Wait.
#2277 [19:34] <Awesomeness> So what you're saying Dope
#2278 [19:34] <Awesomeness> is that I have to email notch
#2279 [19:34] <Awesomeness> everytime I want to update/release a mod?
#2280 [19:34] <Awesomeness> now that's horseshit.
#2281 [19:34] <EmpiresBane> Awesomeness, what you're doing is fine
#2282 [19:34] <Wahrheit> !isdown minecraft.net
#2283 [19:34] <GreyBot> Wahrheit: It's just you. http://minecraft.net is up.
#2284 [19:35] <EmpiresBane> now please keep the language a bit nicer
#2285 [19:35] <Awesomeness> No probs
#2286 [19:35] <DopeGhoti> I'm saying that by realeasing what amount to an entire file of Notch's code with one line modified is arguably not under the domain of fair use.
#2287 [19:35] <Awesomeness> I removed 4 lines and edited 1 line (the file has around 10 lines) :D
#2288 [19:35] <DopeGhoti> I'm not going to tell you what to do, I'm just stating my opinion.
#2289 [19:36] <Awesomeness> Besides
#2290 [19:36] <Awesomeness> 100% flitn drops have been done many times
#2291 [19:36] <Awesomeness> Notch didn't mind. I think.
#2292 [19:37] <DopeGhoti> Notch has stated his thoughts on mods many times, and his stated preference is "Well, the things people are doing are neat, but I'd like them to wait for an API rather than modifying and redistributing my code." (paraphrased)
#2293 [19:37] <EmpiresBane> yes, that's what he would like
#2294 [19:37] <EmpiresBane> but he has allowed more
#2295 [19:38] <DopeGhoti> What do you expect him to do, spend all of Mojang's money on paying a horde of lawyers to type up C&D orders?
#2296 [19:38] <EmpiresBane> it was in the original license
#2297 [19:38] <EmpiresBane> he expected people to do this
#2298 [19:39] <EmpiresBane> it's also taken some pressure off of mojang
#2299 [19:40] <Awesomeness> Well, if notch wanted
#2300 [19:40] <DopeGhoti> Clearly the horse is out of the barn, and the mods aren't going away anytime soon, and some of them are arguably pretty snazzy, but that doesn't take away the fact that many of them infringe on Mojang's copyrights.
#2301 [19:40] <Awesomeness> he could probably ask crit to take off the modding forum
#2302 [19:40] <Awesomeness> and there. pretty much problem solved.
#2303 [19:40] <EmpiresBane> except they don
#2304 [19:40] <EmpiresBane> 't
#2305 [19:40] <DopeGhoti> He could, buy the forum would not be required to, as it's not subservient to Mojang.
#2306 [19:41] <EmpiresBane> because mojang allowed it
#2307 [19:41] <Awesomeness> I'm wondering
#2308 [19:41] <Awesomeness> this guy
#2309 [19:41] <EmpiresBane> also, they would take it off anyways. the owners love him
#2310 [19:41] <Awesomeness> he distributed his .minecraft folder
#2311 [19:41] <Awesomeness> yes the full thing
#2312 [19:41] <Awesomeness> and removed it once he got told it's wrong.
#2313 [19:41] <Awesomeness> so, can he get into crap?
#2314 [19:41] <DopeGhoti> Awesomeness: that is explicitly forbidden as it clearly says "Do not distribute."
#2315 [19:42] <EmpiresBane> because he removed it, he probably won't
#2316 [19:42] <DopeGhoti> which is why distributing minor modifications of it is a grey area. That's all I'm saying.
#2317 [19:42] <Awesomeness> but uh, what could he get into?
#2318 [19:42] <EmpiresBane> but that is something he can get in trouble for
#2319 [19:42] <DopeGhoti> I don't mean to turn #MineCraftHelp into #IntellectualPropertyDebates
#2320 [19:42] <Awesomeness> meh. there's noone needing help anyway
#2321 [19:42] <Awesomeness> let's talk. =D
#2322 [19:43] <EmpiresBane> i doubt it would be much
#2323 [19:43] <DopeGhoti> I'm happy to talk; I just don't want to take over the channel with this off-topic discourse
#2324 [19:43] <EmpiresBane> mojang might contact him about it
#2325 [19:43] <EmpiresBane> it's fine until somebody needs help
#2326 [19:43] <EmpiresBane> then we have to stop
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#2328 [19:44] <Awesomeness> I'm okay with that.
#2329 [19:45] <Awesomeness> LOL
#2330 [19:45] <Awesomeness> Top 1 ways to get a call from Notch
#2331 [19:45] <Awesomeness> 1) Distribute the .jars everywhere
#2332 [19:45] <Awesomeness> lmao
#2333 [19:45] * Awesomeness facepalms at my lame joke
#2333 [19:45] <EmpiresBane> ugh... i have about 10 unlabeled disks here
#2334 [19:45] <EmpiresBane> one of them MIGHT have the drivers i need
#2335 [19:45] * DopeGhoti FedExes EmpiresBane a sharpie
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#2336 [19:45] <EmpiresBane> oh, i have like 50 sharpies
#2337 [19:46] <EmpiresBane> but i never use them... :/
#2338 [19:46] <Awesomeness> does anyone actually come here in for help?
#2339 [19:46] <DopeGhoti> it's been known to happen.
#2340 [19:46] <EmpiresBane> all the time
#2341 [19:46] <EmpiresBane> but they normally come in groups
#2342 [19:46] <Awesomeness> lol trolls.
#2343 [19:47] <EmpiresBane> not like that
#2344 [19:47] <EmpiresBane> I think it's just a timezone thing
#2345 [19:47] <EmpiresBane> people tend to have time to play around the same time
#2346 [19:47] <DopeGhoti> it's also a telepsychotronic thing. Somehow, the unwashed horsed all have problems at the same time, ans stampede the support nodes
#2347 [19:48] <DopeGhoti> er, hordes; and.
#2348 [19:48] <Awesomeness> Do you guys know of any good comedy movies
#2349 [19:48] <EmpiresBane> crap....
#2350 [19:48] <Awesomeness> I'll look it up!
#2351 [19:48] <EmpiresBane> i think i may have shredded my drivers
#2352 [19:48] <Awesomeness> what?
#2353 [19:48] <Awesomeness> what happened
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#2355 [19:49] <DopeGhoti> EmpiresBane: :(
#2356 [19:49] <EmpiresBane> i had too many discs that i didn't need anymore
#2357 [19:49] <DopeGhoti> Awesomeness: yes, I know many comedy movies.
#2358 [19:49] <EmpiresBane> and it may have gotten set in the stack
#2359 [19:49] <DopeGhoti> EmpiresBane: you mean shredded _literally_ Ouch indeed.
#2360 [19:49] <EmpiresBane> yeah
#2361 [19:49] <Awesomeness> Dope, if you could tell a few please, that would be nice
#2362 [19:49] <DopeGhoti> `history | egrep (wget|elinks)`?
#2363 [19:50] <DopeGhoti> Awesomeness: what flavor of comedy?
#2364 [19:50] <Awesomeness> erm. i don't know.
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#2366 [19:50] <DopeGhoti> Awesomeness: Just go to IMDB and look up Bill Murray's filmography.
#2367 [19:51] <DopeGhoti> that'll be a good start.
#2368 [19:51] <Awesomeness> ...
#2369 [19:51] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> Kealper
#2370 [19:51] <Awesomeness> what kind of comedy does he does?
#2371 [19:51] <Kealper> hmm?
#2372 [19:51] <Awesomeness> *do
#2373 [19:51] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> Do you think if I joined the server first, explored a bit , then my friends joined
#2374 [19:51] <DopeGhoti> Awesomeness: the hilarious kind, usually
#2375 [19:51] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> it wouldn't be so laggy?
#2376 [19:52] <DopeGhoti> [Z]Jake|Cpt: probably not, generating terrain is pretty instantaneous
#2377 [19:52] <Awesomeness> ummm Dope
#2378 [19:52] <Kealper> [Z]Jake|Cpt: it seemed like internet lag, when i was on it...go to http://speedtest.net and put the link it gives you at the end of the test in here
#2379 [19:52] <Awesomeness> 13 resaults. :(
#2380 [19:52] <EmpiresBane> actually, the very initial terrain generation can cause server lag
#2381 [19:53] <Kealper> EmpiresBane: not like the lag i was getting when i was on it
#2382 [19:53] <EmpiresBane> oh
#2383 [19:53] <Kealper> the map was fully loaded for me and it was still giving network lag
#2384 [19:54] <DopeGhoti> Awesomeness: click 'show all'.
#2385 [19:54] <Awesomeness> See all?
#2386 [19:54] <DopeGhoti> "Actor (60 titles)"
#2387 [19:54] <Awesomeness> I don't see a show all
#2388 [19:55] <DopeGhoti> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000195/
#2389 [19:55] <DopeGhoti> go to "Filmography", click "Show all", and use that as a checklist for the next 60 movies to see.
#2390 [19:55] <Awesomeness> oooooh.
#2391 [19:56] <Awesomeness> Thanks Dope
#2392 [20:01] <EmpiresBane> hrm...
#2393 [20:02] <EmpiresBane> oh wait, nvm
#2394 [20:02] <Jackson413> damn
#2395 [20:02] <Jackson413> i have a dbq to write
#2396 [20:02] <Jackson413> but i really dont wanna do it
#2397 [20:02] <Jackson413> huh
#2398 [20:04] <EmpiresBane> dbq?
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#2400 [20:08] <aetherian> lmao
#2401 [20:08] <EmpiresBane> crap...
#2402 [20:08] <EmpiresBane> i think i just hit a metaphorical wall
#2403 [20:09] <aetherian> on the ubuntu netbook featured page, under "choose ... games" the only "supported software" listed is minecraft
#2404 [20:09] <Kealper> reassuring, isn't it?
#2405 [20:09] <EmpiresBane> i need the hardware installed to install the driver
#2406 [20:09] <EmpiresBane> if the hardware is installed without the driver being installed, the system won't boot
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#2408 [20:12] <EmpiresBane> ok, lets try this
#2409 [20:12] <aetherian> well, I guess it doesn't need to run anything else
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#2412 [20:19] <Nubshtrike> Heyy
#2413 [20:20] <Nubshtrike> Would any of you know why my minecraft.exe client is unable to login, "Login Failed" immediately
#2414 [20:20] <Nubshtrike> Windows Vista.
#2415 [20:20] <DopeGhoti> bad password?
#2416 [20:20] <Nubshtrike> lol dont think so
#2417 [20:21] <ConMan8> Haven't paid?
#2418 [20:21] <Kealper> Nubshtrike: can you log in from minecraft.net?
#2419 [20:21] <Nubshtrike> Just kidding, by connecting to this IRC server, it has magically fixed itself
#2420 [20:21] <Nubshtrike> and yah i was able to use the browser client
#2421 [20:21] <Nubshtrike> I LOVE COMPUTERS AND HOW THEY DO THINGS
#2422 [20:21] <Nubshtrike> Thanks guys, you all helped me troubleshoot this problem.
#2423 [20:22] <Nubshtrike> All of you.
#2424 [20:22] <Nubshtrike> Heres some money
#2425 [20:22] <Nubshtrike> $$$
#2426 [20:22] <Nubshtrike> $
#2427 [20:22] <Nubshtrike> $$$
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#2429 [20:23] <Kealper> his computer was like "le shit! debuggerz! *fix*"
#2430 [20:23] <EmpiresBane> failure :(
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#2432 [20:24] <Awesomeness> well guys
#2433 [20:24] <Awesomeness> I gtg now
#2434 [20:24] <Awesomeness> later
#2435 [20:24] * AuBot kicked Awesomeness from #MineCraftHelp (Reason: Please do not spam the channel. Your ban will be lifted in about 5 seconds.)
#2436 [20:24] <Kealper> bye!
#2437 [20:24] <EmpiresBane> omg...
#2438 [20:24] <Kealper> xD
#2439 [20:24] <EmpiresBane> who owns that bot?
#2440 [20:24] <ConMan8> XD
#2441 [20:24] <Kealper> mua
#2442 [20:25] <EmpiresBane> what are you're rules for flooding?
#2443 [20:25] <Kealper> 3 messages in 2 sec
#2444 [20:25] <ConMan8> same second it looks like
#2445 [20:25] <ConMan8> >_>
#2446 [20:25] <EmpiresBane> i'm thinking you should change that
#2447 [20:26] <EmpiresBane> because of lag and stuff
#2448 [20:26] <Kealper> and if they get kicked like awesomeness did, then they are either being a noob and need to not use the enter key as a space bar, or they are legitly typing
#2449 [20:26] <Kealper> legitly spamming*
#2450 [20:27] <EmpiresBane> ok, i'm going to follow instructions this time
#2451 [20:27] <Kealper> idk, i've had it running at 3 messages in 2 sec for a while not and i can count on my hand the number of false positives it's got
#2452 [20:27] <EmpiresBane> that's bad
#2453 [20:27] <Kealper> damn...too cold, can't type right
#2454 [20:28] <EmpiresBane> why don't you make it 6 in 4secs?
#2455 [20:28] <EmpiresBane> i believe that will stop actual spammers
#2456 [20:29] <Kealper> because it's goal is not to get actual spammers, it's to stop people from pasting their 100 billion line error report in here
#2457 [20:29] <EmpiresBane> which that would do
#2458 [20:29] <Kealper> and most clients will start throttling messages after about 3-5 instant sends, making it even worse
#2459 [20:29] <Kealper> because if it does not catch it instantly, they just spam for like 30 sec straight
#2460 [20:31] * Miclee waits for Machinima director of social media to e-amil him.
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#2462 [20:32] <nevercast> Someone was using my nick >.<
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#2464 [20:32] <nevercast> LOL WTF
#2465 [20:32] <nevercast> I was using my nick?
#2466 [20:32] <nevercast> Something dun goofed here
#2467 [20:32] <Kealper> lolwut
#2468 [20:32] <nevercast> I'm logged in twice
#2469 [20:32] <nevercast> with one xchat instance
#2470 [20:32] <nevercast> ... means it's semi-died ( no window ) but still running
#2471 [20:32] <Kealper> gg
#2472 [20:33] <nevercast> /exec killall xchat
#2473 [20:33] <Kealper> lol
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#2475 [20:33] <nevercast> There we go :)
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#2477 [20:33] <nevercast> How are you Kealper ?
#2478 [20:34] <Kealper> why not just kill the one with the higher PID?
#2479 [20:34] <Kealper> and good but cold lol
#2480 [20:34] <nevercast> Kealper, That's a smart way to look at it but it's a lot more effort, It means doing a $ ps to find the PID and then killing it with sudo kill
#2481 [20:34] <nevercast> as kill doesn't work with just user level priv's
#2482 [20:34] <nevercast> afaik
#2483 [20:35] <Kealper> oh
#2484 [20:35] <Kealper> meh
#2485 [20:35] <nevercast> and considering my password is like 30 chars.. sudo is a long process :P
#2486 [20:35] <EmpiresBane> dear god...
#2487 [20:35] <Kealper> lol
#2488 [20:35] <EmpiresBane> i certainly hope that level of security is justified
#2489 [20:35] <Kealper> my longest is only around 17 chars....i think...lemme count
#2490 [20:35] <nevercast> Yeah it is
#2491 [20:36] <nevercast> It's to keep the fbi out when I get v&
#2492 [20:36] <Kealper> yeah, mine is 17
#2493 [20:36] <EmpiresBane> my longest is like... 10?
#2494 [20:36] <Kealper> i could make it longer but then it would take ages to type :/
#2495 [20:36] <EmpiresBane> and i don't even remember it
#2496 [20:37] <EmpiresBane> i keep mine short
#2497 [20:37] <EmpiresBane> i have nothing to worry about
#2498 [20:37] <Kealper> that's not good for security :/
#2499 [20:37] <EmpiresBane> first of all, nobodies gonna hack me
#2500 [20:37] <nevercast> Mine is like 26 chars or something
#2501 [20:37] <nevercast> and it takes about 3 seconds on a slow day to type
#2502 [20:37] <EmpiresBane> secondly, i can always just wipe the HDD and do a fresh install
#2503 [20:37] <nevercast> I can do about 90wpm.. so password length isn't much trouble
#2504 [20:37] <Kealper> ones like my user account on this server (the machine i;m ircing on) should be super strong....forward-facing ssh on a datacenter machine :/
#2505 [20:38] <nevercast> Kealper, You shouldn't use a password at all for SSH
#2506 [20:38] <nevercast> Kealper, Should be using certificates
#2507 [20:38] <Kealper> not that
#2508 [20:38] <nevercast> Kealper, Have text passwords disabled
#2509 [20:38] <nevercast> Kealper, Something else?
#2510 [20:38] <EmpiresBane> that's the thing, i don't have anything that requires major security
#2511 [20:38] <Kealper> i mean my user account for this, the login info for my accout on this server
#2512 [20:38] <Kealper> all the accounts on this server have super secure passwords
#2513 [20:39] <Kealper> since i'm paranoid and one could do some nice damage if they got this in a botnet :/
#2514 [20:39] <DopeGhoti> nevercast: pgrep? And a user can kill its own processes.
#2515 [20:42] <nevercast> DopeGhoti, There was no guarantee it was my own process. Could've been another user.. I just didn't wanna have to check.. But yeah, I'll keep it in mind.
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#2517 [20:42] <DopeGhoti> also, your password is only 30 characters?
#2518 [20:42] <Kealper> o.o
#2519 [20:42] <nevercast> DopeGhoti, Yes for my laptop
#2520 [20:43] <nevercast> DopeGhoti, Any more than that is over the top
#2521 [20:43] <Kealper> ._.
#2522 [20:43] <nevercast> DopeGhoti, The amount of posibilities is in the trillians
#2523 [20:43] <nevercast> DopeGhoti, Brute force is almost impossible
#2524 [20:43] <DopeGhoti> I demand more entropy!
#2525 [20:43] <nevercast> LOL
#2526 [20:43] <nevercast> Seriously dude
#2527 [20:43] <nevercast> It's only my laptop
#2528 [20:43] * DopeGhoti uses 16-bit characters in his more important passwords.
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#2530 [20:43] <nevercast> DopeGhoti, Unicode ftw?
#2531 [20:43] <DopeGhoti> Unicode ftw.
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#2533 [20:43] * nevercast nods
#2533 [20:43] <Kealper> lol
#2534 [20:44] <Jackson413> anyone wanna see some minecraft humor?
#2535 [20:44] <nevercast> DopeGhoti, I don't like the idea of holding the alt key and pressing a number sequence for each character
#2536 [20:44] <Jackson413> http://godslam.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=170
#2537 [20:44] <DopeGhoti> alt key and number? Now MS-DOS of you. I use a Compose key.
#2538 [20:44] <DopeGhoti> s/Now/How/
#2539 [20:44] <Kealper> "fukkit" lol
#2540 [20:44] <nevercast> DopeGhoti, Compose? Sounds like OSX
#2541 [20:44] <DopeGhoti> Hah
#2542 [20:44] <Jackson413> keep reading kealper
#2543 [20:45] <EmpiresBane> holy crap
#2544 [20:45] <Jackson413> dope are you reading it?
#2545 [20:45] <DopeGhoti> That's the one thing OS X lacks actually, which is the one thing I really don't like about it, is that it doesn't support a means for enabling a Compose key
#2546 [20:45] <EmpiresBane> what could you possibly have on your laptop that takes a 30 char password?
#2547 [20:45] <Jackson413> my computer geek uncle has a 120 char pass
#2548 [20:45] <Jackson413> for his work computer
#2549 [20:46] <EmpiresBane> that makes sense
#2550 [20:46] <EmpiresBane> that's work
#2551 [20:46] <Jackson413> but 120 char??
#2552 [20:46] <Jackson413> ugh
#2553 [20:46] <Kealper> lol
#2554 [20:46] <Jackson413> he has memorized it
#2555 [20:46] <DopeGhoti> I generally use passphrases, and in one case, a passessay. I have a friend for whom I coined the term 'passnovella'
#2556 [20:46] <Kealper> o.o
#2557 [20:46] <Kealper> oh god
#2558 [20:46] <Jackson413> kealper do you like the mineagra?
#2559 [20:46] <Kealper> best password ever before i am about to say it
#2560 [20:47] <DopeGhoti> 'please'?
#2561 [20:47] <Kealper> the entire first paragraph of Lorem Ipsum
#2562 [20:47] <Jackson413> lol
#2563 [20:47] <DopeGhoti> nah, that's just one wget away from the clipboard.
#2564 [20:47] <Jackson413> dope read this
#2565 [20:47] <Jackson413> http://godslam.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=170
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#2567 [20:47] <Kealper> yeah, but for bruteforcing.....or a dictionary attack
#2568 [20:48] <Kealper> like really...who is going to load up a latin dictionary file lol
#2569 [20:48] <DopeGhoti> My other friend would translate sites' domain names into integers, and use them for bounds, and the passwords for those sites would be series of pi's digits.
#2570 [20:48] <Kealper> oh god
#2571 [20:48] <Kealper> that's really math nerdy lol
#2572 [20:48] <DopeGhoti> "example.com evaluates to 2345 2446, so the password will be those 101 digits of pi"
#2573 [20:49] <nevercast> LOL
#2574 [20:49] <Jackson413> dope did you read it or not?
#2575 [20:49] <nevercast> I know Pi to 18 places
#2576 [20:49] <nevercast> wait..
#2577 [20:49] <nevercast> can someone check
#2578 [20:49] <nevercast> 3.14159265358979
#2579 [20:49] <DopeGhoti> 3.1415925639 is as far as I know
#2580 [20:49] <nevercast> 14
#2581 [20:49] <nevercast> damn it
#2582 [20:49] <nevercast> I thought I knew more PI :(
#2583 [20:49] <nevercast> DopeGhoti, It's 5926
#2584 [20:50] <Jackson413> 69?
#2585 [20:50] <nevercast> 5358979
#2586 [20:50] <DopeGhoti> 3.1415926539 rather
#2587 [20:50] <nevercast> 535 :)
#2588 [20:50] <DopeGhoti> though I may be misrememering
#2589 [20:50] <nevercast> You are :P slightly
#2590 [20:50] <Jackson413> dope?
#2591 [20:50] <DopeGhoti> it's been a while since I've used anything other than 22.0/7
#2592 [20:50] <Jackson413> :(
#2593 [20:51] <nevercast> DopeGhoti, I had a Infinite Sum Equation
#2594 [20:51] <nevercast> It was rather accurate
#2595 [20:51] <nevercast> But slow
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#2597 [20:51] <DopeGhoti> Jackson413: yes?
#2598 [20:51] <nevercast> God damn
#2599 [20:51] <Kealper> 3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510
#2600 [20:51] <Jackson413> DopeGhoti: http://godslam.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=170
#2601 [20:51] <xales> :o
#2602 [20:51] <Kealper> am i doin it rite?
#2603 [20:51] <nevercast> I walk up my stairs, through my door into the walls of my castle
#2604 [20:51] <xales> hi Kealper
#2605 [20:51] <Kealper> ello
#2606 [20:51] <nevercast> and the whole place is covered in god damn pigs
#2607 [20:51] <DopeGhoti> that about it? saw post about a mod, became disinterested.
#2608 [20:51] <xales> windows 7 worked aparrantly
#2609 [20:51] <Jackson413> DopeGhoti: it is an add for mineagra
#2610 [20:51] <Kealper> xales: you got it on rught now?
#2611 [20:51] <Jackson413> DopeGhoti: quite funny
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#2613 [20:52] <Kealper> right*
#2614 [20:52] <Jackson413> say busy
#2615 [20:52] <Jackson413> wrong window lolol
#2616 [20:52] <DopeGhoti> "busy"
#2617 [20:52] <xales> indeed
#2618 [20:52] <Kealper> i'm going to be typing like shit right now, it's 9 degrees F out....super cold by this window
#2619 [20:52] <Jackson413> wrong window
#2620 [20:52] <DopeGhoti> speaking of which, time to go home.
#2621 [20:52] <Jackson413> lol
#2622 [20:52] <Jackson413> read my post first?
#2623 [20:52] <DopeGhoti> Kealper: Go to Costo. Get a directional space heater. Be warm.
#2624 [20:53] <Kealper> they don;ve have Costcos where i am :/
#2625 [20:53] <Kealper> and my computer's case really does not help
#2626 [20:53] <Jackson413> nice quit message lol
#2627 [20:53] <Kealper> stupid thing is just like a huge heatsink :/
#2628 [20:53] <Jackson413> lol
#2629 [20:54] <xales> Kealper: any useful stuff to do now that i've got it set up?
#2630 [20:54] <DopeGhoti> Kealper: if that's true, it should be radiating heat. What's the problem?
#2631 [20:54] <nevercast> Kealper, xales, DopeGhoti, are Diamond picks really worth the 3 diamond it costs? Do they last a decent amount of time longer than iron?
#2632 [20:54] <EmpiresBane> ok, if i timeout, i failed
#2633 [20:54] <xales> any settings reccomend to change or programs to install?
#2634 [20:54] <xales> nevercast: they last almost forever >.>
#2635 [20:54] <DopeGhoti> nevercast: Yes, much longer, over one kiloUse
#2636 [20:54] <nevercast> xales, really?
#2637 [20:54] <xales> significantly longer than iron
#2638 [20:54] <nevercast> Wow
#2639 [20:54] <nevercast> Okay Ima go make some :D
#2640 [20:54] <Kealper> nevercast: 1025 blocks
#2641 [20:54] <DopeGhoti> But you cry a little when they finally do break
#2642 [20:54] <nevercast> haha yeah
#2643 [20:54] <Kealper> and it's good for obsidian
#2644 [20:54] <aetherian> heh
#2645 [20:55] <nevercast> I can imagine
#2646 [20:55] <aetherian> kealper: no
#2647 [20:55] <aetherian> wooden picks are better
#2648 [20:55] <Kealper> >.>
#2649 [20:55] * aetherian has only done that around ten times
#2649 [20:55] <DopeGhoti> ciao
#2650 [20:55] <aetherian> bye?
#2651 [20:55] <Kealper> xales: uhh...only thing i can think of that you should install is putty (check) and minecraft
#2652 [20:55] <nevercast> Okay, Gems and Ores chest.. 3 diamond.. Building materials chest.. Fuck no sticks!! Grab some wood :D
#2653 [20:55] <nevercast> Lets make this shit
#2654 [20:55] <aetherian> besides
#2655 [20:56] <aetherian> what else would you make with diamond
#2656 [20:56] <aetherian> blocks o.o
#2657 [20:56] <nevercast> LOL
#2658 [20:56] <nevercast> true I guess
#2659 [20:56] <nevercast> Idk it was so rare, I was wondering if it was worth keeping.. for fuck knows what
#2660 [20:56] <aetherian> oh my bad, you can make a hoe and a shovel
#2661 [20:57] <aetherian> much better
#2662 [20:57] <aetherian> :D
#2663 [20:57] <aetherian> amirite?
#2664 [20:57] <aetherian> amileft?
#2665 [20:57] <EmpiresBane> yeah, i'm still here, but i still failed
#2666 [20:57] <EmpiresBane> crap!
#2667 [20:57] <EmpiresBane> timer!
#2668 [20:57] <aetherian> import win
#2669 [20:58] <aetherian> there, all better
#2670 [20:58] <Kealper> #include <Win.au3>
#2671 [20:58] <aetherian> lol
#2672 [20:58] <aetherian> easier in the language I did
#2673 [20:58] <Kealper> import antigravity
#2674 [20:58] <aetherian> or...
#2675 [20:58] <aetherian> I CAN HAZ WIN
#2676 [20:58] <aetherian> iirc
#2677 [20:59] <Kealper> lolcode ftw
#2678 [20:59] <aetherian> no...
#2679 [20:59] <aetherian> it's just
#2680 [20:59] <aetherian> CAN HAS WIN
#2681 [20:59] <Kealper> and i think it's just CAN HAZ
#2682 [20:59] <Kealper> yeah lol
#2683 [20:59] <aetherian> I think
#2684 [20:59] <aetherian> I have some stuff on my desktop
#2685 [20:59] <aetherian> lol
#2686 [20:59] <Kealper> i should learn lolcode
#2687 [20:59] <aetherian> like, front of computer, not a second computer
#2688 [20:59] <aetherian> no
#2689 [21:00] <aetherian> I can't find a compiler for it that WORKS
#2690 [21:00] <aetherian> oh my bad, it's not just CAN HAS WIN
#2691 [21:00] <Kealper> aww :(
#2692 [21:00] <aetherian> I gotta write the whole thing
#2693 [21:00] <aetherian> HAI
#2694 [21:00] <aetherian> CAN HAS WIN?
#2695 [21:00] <aetherian> KTHXBYE
#2696 [21:00] <aetherian> there, see what we accomplished
#2697 [21:01] <aetherian> we imported a module, and did nothing with it
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#2699 [21:01] <aetherian> hey vial
#2700 [21:02] <aetherian> I should add comments
#2701 [21:02] <nevercast> Hmm
#2702 [21:02] <nevercast> I'm planning on growing sugar cane under ground
#2703 [21:02] <aetherian> I should make a small lolprogram and copypasta it here- just to get banned
#2704 [21:02] <nevercast> but it's going to need some good planning
#2705 [21:02] <aetherian> not... really
#2706 [21:02] <aetherian> those are easy
#2707 [21:02] <nevercast> Next to a water fall?
#2708 [21:02] <aetherian> no
#2709 [21:02] <relsqui> next to any water at all
#2710 [21:02] <EmpiresBane> i should not be allowed to cook...
#2711 [21:03] <nevercast> I'm making it next to a water fall
#2712 [21:03] <aetherian> make long rows of water
#2713 [21:03] <aetherian> cover the water with material
#2714 [21:03] <aetherian> place reed on both sides
#2715 [21:03] <aetherian> presto
#2716 [21:03] <aetherian> :D
#2717 [21:04] <aetherian> glaf to be of help
#2718 [21:04] <aetherian> *glad
#2719 [21:04] <Kealper> oh gosh i must learn LOLCODE
#2720 [21:04] <aetherian> yes you musht
#2721 [21:04] <aetherian> if you can find a compiler
#2722 [21:04] <aetherian> ;(
#2723 [21:04] <Kealper> PLZ OPEN FILE "some file.txt"?
#2724 [21:05] <xales> Kealper, good program to mount ISOs?
#2725 [21:05] <Kealper> xales: http://poweriso.net
#2726 [21:05] <xales> I lost my very old copy of daemon tools before they started to suck =/
#2727 [21:05] <aetherian> kealper, if you go to #lolcode, I could post a good example. or, I could pastebin it.
#2728 [21:05] <Kealper> the trial version works fine, no time limit, only limitation is you can not create isos bigger than 300mb
#2729 [21:06] <Kealper> no limits for using it as a virtual drive though
#2730 [21:06] <LatHans> I recommended http://www.slysoft.com/en/virtual-clonedrive.html as a free program to mount ISOs
#2731 [21:06] <Kealper> i'm so tempted to make an lolcode interpreter
#2732 [21:07] <aetherian> http://pastebin.com/QBRF6f6Q is one of the best examples of a program I could find
#2733 [21:07] * aetherian just posted it
#2733 [21:07] <aetherian> lolcode is win
#2734 [21:07] <Kealper> LOL
#2735 [21:07] <Kealper> comment marker is BTW i take it?
#2736 [21:07] <aetherian> BTW THIS IS A COMMENT
#2737 [21:08] <aetherian> I hAS A INTEGUR
#2738 [21:08] <aetherian> INTEGUR=15
#2739 [21:08] <aetherian> ohhh I have to say
#2740 [21:09] <aetherian> it has the best looping evar
#2741 [21:09] <aetherian> KTHX for leaving it
#2742 [21:09] <aetherian> and IM IN YR LOOP for going in it
#2743 [21:09] <aetherian> :3
#2744 [21:10] <aetherian> you'd think someone would have made a program that you can set various things to mean various commands in, say, python, and you define those, and it makes an interpreter for that.
#2745 [21:10] <EmpiresBane> is GTFO return?
#2746 [21:10] <Kealper> lol
#2747 [21:10] <aetherian> it's GET THE F-
#2748 [21:10] <aetherian> err
#2749 [21:10] <aetherian> yeah
#2750 [21:10] <aetherian> something like that
#2751 [21:11] <aetherian> it's "garry, tales following omnivores."
#2752 [21:11] <aetherian> lovely book
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#2754 [21:12] <EmpiresBane> wait, no
#2755 [21:12] <EmpiresBane> not return, break
#2756 [21:12] <aetherian> I thought that KTHX was break
#2757 [21:12] <nevercast> How do I plant sugar cane?
#2758 [21:12] <Zemedelphos> Place it near water.
#2759 [21:12] <aetherian> left click with it in yer hand
#2760 [21:12] <Kealper> KTHX looks like an end statement for an if
#2761 [21:12] <aetherian> hmm
#2762 [21:13] <EmpiresBane> KTHX is the end
#2763 [21:13] <EmpiresBane> GTFO is a premature break
#2764 [21:13] <aetherian> look at lines 34-52
#2765 [21:13] <aetherian> though
#2766 [21:13] <EmpiresBane> because it's inside an if
#2767 [21:13] <aetherian> since when is that an if
#2768 [21:13] <aetherian> wait...
#2769 [21:13] <aetherian> I got my tabs messed u
#2770 [21:13] <aetherian> up
#2771 [21:13] <aetherian> I need better glasses
#2772 [21:13] <EmpiresBane> line 70 proves me right
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#2774 [21:14] <Kealper> too bad i can't dig in to AC Tool's commands, it is structured just like lolcode, you'd just have to change the names of the functions/statements lol
#2775 [21:14] <aetherian> exactly, that's what someone needs to make
#2776 [21:14] <Kealper> lol, do you know what AC Tool is?
#2777 [21:15] <aetherian> some py/jar/cpp/etc thing where you say that one command means the other
#2778 [21:15] <aetherian> nonono
#2779 [21:15] <EmpiresBane> ok
#2780 [21:15] <Kealper> oh, a translator
#2781 [21:15] <aetherian> talking about something different
#2782 [21:15] <EmpiresBane> i might disappear
#2783 [21:15] <aetherian> I'm saying what one needs to make
#2784 [21:15] <aetherian> and then you say what file extension it would be, and it can compile it.
#2785 [21:15] <aetherian> with... a compiler.
#2786 [21:16] <aetherian> or just an interpreter
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#2788 [21:16] <nevercast> hehe sugarcane :D
#2789 [21:16] <Kealper> i'd ALMOST be not lazy enough to make an interpreter
#2790 [21:16] <nevercast> now notch has to add coffee beans
#2791 [21:16] <nevercast> and I'm making myself a LATTE!
#2792 [21:16] <aetherian> HAI
#2793 [21:16] <aetherian> CAN HAS MAIN?
#2794 [21:16] <Zemedelphos> For some reason, Jens took coffee beans out before the dye release :s
#2795 [21:16] <nevercast> aetherian, Sure :)
#2796 [21:17] <nevercast> Zemedelphos, That sucks :(
#2797 [21:17] <aetherian> VISIBLE "GOTTA GO NOW!"
#2798 [21:17] <aetherian> KTHXBYE
#2799 [21:17] <Zemedelphos> He didn't say why, but the item itself is still in the files.
#2800 [21:17] <Zemedelphos> Just no legit way to get it.
#2801 [21:17] <Miclee> Zemedelphos, they're cocoa, not coffee.
#2802 [21:17] <Zemedelphos> Oh, right.
#2803 [21:17] <Zemedelphos> Eh.
#2804 [21:17] <Zemedelphos> Close enough. :P
#2805 [21:17] <aetherian> if you make coffee, your char goes 2 times faster
#2806 [21:17] <aetherian> g2g
#2807 [21:17] <Miclee> I'm guessing he's adding chocolate or something.
#2808 [21:17] <Zemedelphos> You need both to make a mocha!
#2809 [21:18] <nevercast> haha :D
#2810 [21:18] <nevercast> Oh!
#2811 [21:18] <nevercast> My course
#2812 [21:18] <nevercast> has a coffee machine
#2813 [21:18] <nevercast> and it's ALL FREE :D
#2814 [21:20] <xales> Kealper: http://darksigns.net/screenshots/SS-2011-02-10_21.19.41.png
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#2816 [21:21] <EmpiresBane> do you think the reason it rejects my wireless card is because i have wired network adaptor also?
#2817 [21:22] <xales> unlikely
#2818 [21:23] <EmpiresBane> hrm...
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#2820 [21:25] <EmpiresBane> why does bob betray me...?
#2821 [21:25] <lemon-rev> ? what you mean bob ie char ? or bob ie movement ?
#2822 [21:25] <EmpiresBane> Bob is the name of my computer
#2823 [21:25] <lemon-rev> cause it hates you lol
#2824 [21:25] <Kealper> lol
#2825 [21:26] <EmpiresBane> i'm pretty sure i'm going to put XP back on this thing
#2826 [21:26] <Kealper> what does it have?
#2827 [21:26] <EmpiresBane> Ubuntu
#2828 [21:27] <nevercast> Question
#2829 [21:27] <nevercast> when there is no more material to be smelted
#2830 [21:27] <Kealper> give Linux Mint a shot
#2831 [21:27] <nevercast> Does the lava stop burning or w/e ?
#2832 [21:27] <nevercast> or does it continue to be consumed?
#2833 [21:27] <Kealper> a very minty shot
#2834 [21:27] <relsqui> nevercast: it stops being consumed
#2835 [21:27] <Kealper> what?
#2836 [21:27] <nevercast> relsqui, Oh good :D
#2837 [21:27] <Kealper> OH
#2838 [21:27] <lemon-rev> lava burns regardless
#2839 [21:27] <nevercast> lemon-rev, really?
#2840 [21:27] <relsqui> oh, does it? my bad
#2841 [21:27] <nevercast> lemon-rev, so I should take it out?
#2842 [21:28] <nevercast> wait nvm
#2843 [21:28] <nevercast> it goes away derp
#2844 [21:28] <lemon-rev> well unless you want it to continue burning stuff
#2845 [21:28] <lemon-rev> hm
#2846 [21:28] <EmpiresBane> my biggest problem is getting this damn network card working
#2847 [21:28] <relsqui> lemon-rev: we're talking about a bucket of lava in a furnace, I think
#2848 [21:28] <relsqui> if that's not clear
#2849 [21:28] <relsqui> not, like, flowing lava
#2850 [21:28] <lemon-rev> oh
#2851 [21:28] <EmpiresBane> and the only way to do that on Linux is with ndiswrapper
#2852 [21:29] <nevercast> EmpiresBane, What?
#2853 [21:29] <lemon-rev> relsqui you can fill a hole with lava and leave it for ever and keep melting things into it or even jump into it should stay there untill the main source of it has been taken out again
#2854 [21:29] <EmpiresBane> and i don't seem to be capable of getting it working
#2855 [21:29] <nevercast> EmpiresBane, What Wireless card does he have?
#2856 [21:29] <EmpiresBane> i'm using a trendnet card
#2857 [21:29] <nevercast> lemon-rev, But you can't put that in a bucket and then furnance
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#2859 [21:29] <nevercast> EmpiresBane, Lame.. Get atheros.. Native supported in linux :P
#2860 [21:29] <lemon-rev> no
#2861 [21:30] <relsqui> lemon-rev: yeah, I understand that
#2862 [21:30] <lemon-rev> i dont think you can get bucket with lava into funace anyways
#2863 [21:30] <EmpiresBane> i'm stuck with this card
#2864 [21:30] <relsqui> lemon-rev: sure you can, you can use it as fuel
#2865 [21:30] <EmpiresBane> i can't afford to spend the money on another card
#2866 [21:30] <nevercast> lemon-rev, Yeah you can. It burns for like 1000 seconds
#2867 [21:30] <lemon-rev> hm
#2868 [21:30] <Kealper> trendnet cards either have realtek or atheros chipsets
#2869 [21:30] <relsqui> nevercast: I thought it was 100 items
#2870 [21:30] <nevercast> Kealper, So they should be native supported
#2871 [21:30] <lemon-rev> shit, never seen it but ok thanks :)
#2872 [21:30] <relsqui> to coal's 8
#2873 [21:30] <nevercast> relsqui, 1000seconds according to wiki
#2874 [21:30] <nevercast> iirc
#2875 [21:30] <relsqui> huh. okay.
#2876 [21:30] <Kealper> boot into a live cd of Linux Mint 10, it should just work
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#2878 [21:31] * [Z]Jake|Cpt [[Z]Jake|Cpt@notlogged] has joined ##MineCraftHelp
#2879 [21:31] <[Z]Jake|Cpt> Why does Minecraft crash when I try to turn sounds/music on?
#2880 [21:31] <Kealper> O.o
#2881 [21:32] <arensirb> With me it fubars while changing fullscreen to windowed
#2882 [21:32] <EmpiresBane> i think XP might still be a better idea because this machine was designed with XP in mind
#2883 [21:32] <Kealper> [Z]Jake|Cpt: if i had to guess, bad soundcard drivers?
#2884 [21:32] <EmpiresBane> yeah, his sound system isn't the best
#2885 [21:33] <EmpiresBane> so it causes weird things on different computers
#2886 [21:33] <EmpiresBane> it can cut my fps in half by just having it on
#2887 [21:33] <Kealper> really?
#2888 [21:33] * Kealper checks with and without sound
#2888 [21:33] <EmpiresBane> yep
#2889 [21:34] <aetherian> hey kealper
#2890 [21:34] <Kealper> ?
#2891 [21:34] <aetherian> is there linux bubble-gum flavour yet?
#2892 [21:34] <aetherian> I mean
#2893 [21:34] <aetherian> there's mint
#2894 [21:35] <Kealper> >.
#2895 [21:35] <Kealper> >.>
#2896 [21:35] * aetherian feels as if he just inadvertently brought on an awkward silence
#2896 [21:35] * Blueismycolor [Blueismycolor@notlogged] has joined ##MineCraftHelp
#2897 [21:36] <aetherian> I can just envision in my mind the dental offices, where when one is young, they always offer, "what flavour of fluoride do you like?"
#2898 [21:36] <aetherian> that stuff was nasty
#2899 [21:36] <Blueismycolor> So. Um... I couldn't find any dirt on the forms about this, but just what /does/ protocol error mean when the client spits it back out at me.
#2900 [21:36] <aetherian> I know the answer
#2901 [21:36] <aetherian> discipline
#2902 [21:36] <Blueismycolor> Do tell!
#2903 [21:36] <Kealper> noticed no difference with or without sound on my server :/
#2904 [21:36] <aetherian> we can't stand computers talking back to us
#2905 [21:37] <EmpiresBane> Kealper, it really depends on the system
#2906 [21:37] <Kealper> is it also bad that my server gets 160-180 fps when all the settings are on low? lol
#2907 [21:37] <aetherian> yes
#2908 [21:37] <EmpiresBane> yes, because i get 15 when all my settings are on low
#2909 [21:37] <aetherian> I have view distance on high, fast graphics, and when I'm just traveling/mining I get 25-350
#2910 [21:37] <Kealper> and that's just my home server >.>
#2911 [21:37] <aetherian> *250-350
#2912 [21:38] <EmpiresBane> isn't a protocol error when packet is just all screwed up
#2913 [21:38] <Kealper> aetherian: this machine does not have a video card in it lol
#2914 [21:38] <EmpiresBane> or rather, a bunch of packets
#2915 [21:38] <aetherian> lolwut
#2916 [21:38] <aetherian> how does that work o.o
#2917 [21:38] <Kealper> just onboard graphics
#2918 [21:38] <aetherian> lul
#2919 [21:38] <Kealper> <3 my server
#2920 [21:38] <Blueismycolor> Say what. So does that mean it's my, or the server client's problem.
#2921 [21:38] <Blueismycolor> *my client
#2922 [21:38] * aetherian has only a geforce gts 250m igb card
#2922 [21:38] <aetherian> *1gb
#2923 [21:38] <aetherian> not igb
#2924 [21:38] <aetherian> wow
#2925 [21:39] * Kealper scrolls up
#2925 [21:39] * aetherian has buried everything in text
#2925 [21:39] <Kealper> Blueismycolor: "protocol
#2926 [21:39] <Kealper> fail
#2927 [21:39] <EmpiresBane> imaginary gigabytes?
#2928 [21:39] <aetherian> wha
#2929 [21:39] <Kealper> "protocol error" is very broad
#2930 [21:39] <Kealper> it could mean a number of things
#2931 [21:39] <aetherian> what OS are you on?
#2932 [21:40] <Blueismycolor> Win 7, 64 bit
#2933 [21:40] <EmpiresBane> well, i is an imaginary number
#2934 [21:40] <nevercast> Fuckin' Pig! Get out my sugar cane!
#2935 [21:40] <Blueismycolor> See, I really wish the client would be a bit more specific with these things. :L
#2936 [21:40] <Kealper> in all my code, $i is a local integer that i use for stuff like for loops :P
#2937 [21:40] <EmpiresBane> so, igbs would be your storage of imaginary data?
#2938 [21:40] <aetherian> if you right click "computer" and select manage, and delete the c: partition, all viruses will most likely be gone
#2939 [21:40] <aetherian> :D
#2940 [21:41] <nevercast> lol aetherian
#2941 [21:41] <arensirb> $i++;
#2942 [21:41] <Kealper> i--;
#2943 [21:41] <arensirb> aetherian: haha
#2944 [21:41] <aetherian> i++... almost like c++, but IN YOUR MIND
#2945 [21:41] <EmpiresBane> i, j, and k are the most common loop variables
#2946 [21:41] <aetherian> :O
#2947 [21:41] <arensirb> i use a,b,c,i etc
#2948 [21:41] <arensirb> :P
#2949 [21:41] <aetherian> I (am) JK too.
#2950 [21:41] <Kealper> EmpiresBane: i'm guilty of using all 3 :P
#2951 [21:41] <aetherian> whoa
#2952 [21:41] <aetherian> who needs three
#2953 [21:41] <EmpiresBane> i have a friend that uses i, ii, iii, etc
#2954 [21:41] <aetherian> o.o
#2955 [21:42] <Kealper> if i need loops in loops in loops
#2956 [21:42] <EmpiresBane> it pisses me off
#2957 [21:42] <arensirb> Ive been playing minecraft for like the last 4 days allmost non-stop
#2958 [21:42] <arensirb> im getting bored
#2959 [21:42] <arensirb> :P
#2960 [21:42] <Kealper> very rarely do i have to go more than 3 loops deep
#2961 [21:42] <EmpiresBane> especially when he asks for help
#2962 [21:42] <Kealper> lol EmpiresBane
#2963 [21:43] <EmpiresBane> holy crap!
#2964 [21:43] <EmpiresBane> that helicopter needs to fly a little higher
#2965 [21:43] <Kealper> o.o
#2966 [21:43] <EmpiresBane> started shaking stuff on the walla
#2967 [21:43] <EmpiresBane> *walls
#2968 [21:43] <Kealper> lol
#2969 [21:45] <EmpiresBane> ok, i finally discovered why i can't get my wireless card working
#2970 [21:45] <Kealper> ?
#2971 [21:45] <EmpiresBane> i have no idea what the hell i'm doing
#2972 [21:45] <Kealper> :/
#2973 [21:46] <EmpiresBane> i've got the driver and everything installed
#2974 [21:46] <Blueismycolor> Um... Could I get someone to help me out with this? I really can't find anything on minecraft forms or that link you have in the topic. s:
#2975 [21:46] <Kealper> Blueismycolor: exact error?
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#2977 [21:47] <chubkakes1> anyone here?
#2978 [21:47] <Kealper> no
#2979 [21:47] <chubkakes1> lol
#2980 [21:47] <nevercast> lol
#2981 [21:47] <EmpiresBane> no, only 143 people
#2982 [21:47] <EmpiresBane> and 10 ops
#2983 [21:47] <nevercast> 10 of which are..
#2984 [21:47] <nevercast> meh ^
#2985 [21:47] <nevercast> ops
#2986 [21:47] <Kealper> lol
#2987 [21:47] <EmpiresBane> i'm sure no one can help you
#2988 [21:47] <Zemedelphos> Of course one should never enter a room and say "Hello, everyone."
#2989 [21:47] <Zemedelphos> Blueismycolor: what's the error?
#2990 [21:47] <Blueismycolor> Kealper: Like I said, all it gives me is "Protocol error" immediately after I click connect. If I keep trying to connect eventually I get "End of stream"
#2991 [21:48] <Kealper> Blueismycolor: is it just that server?
#2992 [21:48] <EmpiresBane> what do you need help with, chubkakes1?
#2993 [21:48] <Blueismycolor> Urk. Let me check, that never crossed my mind.
#2994 [21:48] <chubkakes1> How come when i go into fullscreen mode, and then exit fullscreen mode (to hide from the boss) i cant click the menu buttons
#2995 [21:48] <Kealper> O.o
#2996 [21:49] <Kealper> what are you doing to go into fullscreen?
#2997 [21:49] <chubkakes1> f11
#2998 [21:49] <Kealper> and slightly off topic, but are you at work right now?
#2999 [21:49] <chubkakes1> no
#3000 [21:49] <Blueismycolor> Kealper: Apparently yes, it is just that one... Huh.
#3001 [21:49] <Kealper> oh, lol
#3002 [21:49] <chubkakes1> ;)
#3003 [21:49] <chubkakes1> brb
#3004 [21:49] <EmpiresBane> in that case, it's not you
#3005 [21:49] <Kealper> Blueismycolor: that's probably the wrong server type then, or it's old
#3006 [21:49] <EmpiresBane> it's the servers problem
#3007 [21:49] <Blueismycolor> That's really odd. Well thanks for the help!
#3008 [21:49] <Kealper> chubkakes1: i think there is a bug with F11 for fullscreen :/
#3009 [21:51] * Kealper goes afk to watch some documentaries
#3009 [21:51] <chubkakes1> any other way to do it? (duh maximize button) but the reason i like f11 is the brightness on this screen isnt too good, and the borders of the taskbar and window take away ( they seem to at least) the brightness
#3010 [21:51] <Kealper> i might fall asleep, i might not
#3011 [21:51] <EmpiresBane> oh my god... i'm an idiot
#3012 [21:51] <EmpiresBane> brb
#3013 [21:51] <Kealper> chubkakes1: no other way aside from the fullscreen button :/
#3014 [21:51] <Kealper> maximize button*
#3015 [21:52] <chubkakes1> hmph,,, notch should fix it, but i guess other problems are far more important
#3016 [21:52] <Kealper> other problems? O.o
#3017 [21:52] <chubkakes1> idk, the problems that fill the support boards
#3018 [21:52] <chubkakes1> i dont experience too many
#3019 [21:52] <Kealper> oh....THOSE problems lol
#3020 [21:53] <chubkakes1> (other then driver problems) but thats because my intel 915gm sucks
#3021 [21:53] <aetherian> kealper, you suck at going afk
#3022 [21:53] <Kealper> eew lol
#3023 [21:53] <Kealper> aetherian: quite
#3024 [21:53] <aetherian> haha
#3025 [21:53] <Kealper> i guess "indeed" was more appropriate of a response to that
#3026 [21:53] <aetherian> kelly, quit using autocomplete, ya lazy bum
#3027 [21:53] <chubkakes1> well, i have a desktop upstairs with a radeon HD4650 (still sucks but by far better) but its down
#3028 [21:53] <Kealper> aetherian: no
#3029 [21:54] <aetherian> kealper, yes.
#3030 [21:54] <Kealper> aetherian: a[tab] is too easy
#3031 [21:54] * aetherian never uses autocomplete
#3031 [21:54] <aetherian> we need another a name
#3032 [21:54] <aetherian> ohh
#3033 [21:54] <aetherian> you mean
#3034 [21:54] <aetherian> ae[tab]
#3035 [21:54] <aetherian> ?
#3036 [21:54] <Kealper> depends
#3037 [21:55] <aetherian> acius and acsid prevent a[tab]
#3038 [21:55] <Kealper> if no one else with a name starting with a is talking, a works
#3039 [21:55] <aetherian> hang on then, I'll tick you off.
#3040 [21:55] <Kealper> my client goes by the last speaker, not alphabetically
#3041 [21:55] <nevercast> I've forgoten how to make a chest :(
#3042 [21:55] <aetherian> aww
#3043 [21:55] <Kealper> a box of wood?
#3044 [21:55] <aetherian> lol
#3045 [21:55] <aetherian> 8 wood
#3046 [21:55] <nevercast> makes a crafting cable
#3047 [21:55] <nevercast> OH
#3048 [21:55] <aetherian> nothing in middle
#3049 [21:55] <nevercast> just wood
#3050 [21:55] <nevercast> right
#3051 [21:55] <aetherian> planks...
#3052 [21:55] <nevercast> YAY
#3053 [21:55] <nevercast> got it :)
#3054 [21:56] <Kealper> afk nao
#3055 [21:56] * aetherian ping kealper
#3055 [21:56] <nevercast> Considering I have like, 20 of these you'd think I'd remember
#3056 [21:56] <nevercast> bye Kealper
#3057 [21:56] <aetherian> yeah, bye kealper
#3058 [21:56] <aetherian> have fun watching documentaries, kealper
#3059 [21:56] * aetherian waves to kealper
#3059 [21:57] <Kealper> stop making my putty blink at me
#3060 [21:57] <aetherian> :3
#3061 [21:57] <aetherian> that... kinda was the plan, kealper.
#3062 [21:57] <aetherian> but now I gotta brb
#3063 [21:57] * aetherian prepares for ragekick
#3063 [21:57] <Kealper> can't be assed
#3064 [21:58] <chubkakes1> so i just got minecraft yesterday and took all yesterday to figure out the bugs(integrated graphics suck bulls) ,,, anyways, where can i find dungeons or caves, i seem to dig down, and then hit bottom, then i go across and find nothing.
#3065 [21:58] <Kealper> putting videos fullscreen now >.>
#3066 [21:58] <aetherian> kbai kealper
#3067 [21:59] <nevercast> My mine is looking awesome
#3068 [21:59] <nevercast> all roomy and such
#3069 [21:59] <nevercast> but it's so lonely :(
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#3071 [21:59] <aetherian> put it on smp
#3072 [21:59] <nevercast> smp?
#3073 [21:59] <aetherian> yes smp
#3074 [21:59] <nevercast> define:smp?
#3075 [21:59] <chubkakes1> WHAT DOESETH THIS ACRONYM STAND FOR!!
#3076 [21:59] <chubkakes1> :3
#3077 [21:59] <aetherian> smp== survival multiplayer
#3078 [21:59] <chubkakes1> oohh
#3079 [22:00] <nevercast> :)
#3080 [22:00] <nevercast> my mate hosts a smp server
#3081 [22:00] <nevercast> but he has shit on there he doesn't want overwriten
#3082 [22:00] <relsqui> skells to the left of me, zombies to the right! here I am! stuck in the middle diggin' a tunnel
#3083 [22:01] <aetherian> because I can't be assed to figure out why my partitions aren't working, I'm installing wubi.
#3084 [22:01] <aetherian> temporarily.
#3085 [22:01] <aetherian> :)
#3086 [22:01] <chubkakes1> so any comment on my cave/dungeon finding perdicament
#3087 [22:02] <EmpiresBane> it just takes searching
#3088 [22:03] <chubkakes1> its ironic, my spawn and base is in the middle of a split between two caves, but sadly, they end shortl
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#3090 [22:04] <Zemedelphos> Wait, sorry. Restate the cave/dungeon findin perdicament?
#3091 [22:04] <chubkakes1> quote:so i just got minecraft yesterday and took all yesterday to figure out the bugs(integrated graphics suck bulls) ,,, anyways, where can i find dungeons or caves, i seem to dig down, and then hit bottom, then i go across and find nothing.
#3092 [22:04] <Zemedelphos> Oh, that
#3093 [22:04] <Zemedelphos> They're all random
#3094 [22:04] <Zemedelphos> Caves are rather common though.
#3095 [22:04] <aetherian> look for caves
#3096 [22:04] <relsqui> augh there's a scary cave in the way of my tunnel
#3097 [22:04] <Zemedelphos> The easiest way to find a cave would be to search for an opening in the ground.
#3098 [22:05] <relsqui> chubkakes1: you can have mine
#3099 [22:05] <Zemedelphos> A dungeon, however, has no definite way of finding one, sans seeing a piece of cobblestone in a cave.
#3100 [22:05] <chubkakes1> i wish there was a mini map so that its more playable with render on tiny
#3101 [22:05] <chubkakes1> relsqui ??
#3102 [22:05] <relsqui> cave
#3103 [22:05] <relsqui> I just came across one while working on a tunnel
#3104 [22:05] <relsqui> I don't need it
#3105 [22:05] <relsqui> you can have it :)
#3106 [22:05] <chubkakes1> lol
#3107 [22:05] <Zemedelphos> Cubkakes can't have that mine!
#3108 [22:05] <nevercast> I have a MASSIVE
#3109 [22:05] <Zemedelphos> chub*
#3110 [22:05] <chubkakes1> but ive already spent 3 mb on my map :O
#3111 [22:05] <nevercast> Hole in the roof of my mine
#3112 [22:05] <nevercast> Damn sand
#3113 [22:06] <Zemedelphos> Because it's...*sunglasses*...MINE.
#3114 [22:06] <Zemedelphos> YYEEAAAHHH!!!!
#3115 [22:06] <EmpiresBane> hrm... maybe including the year, month, day, hour, minute, and second in my timestamps is not really all that necassary...
#3116 [22:06] <relsqui> .... I should probably not explore the cave while I'm carrying like 200 pieces of track
#3117 [22:06] <relsqui> that ... that seems like a bad idea
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#3120 [22:07] <nevercast> I need to make a sign
#3121 [22:07] <nevercast> "CAUTION"
#3122 [22:07] <nevercast> "FUCKIN BIG HOLE"
#3123 [22:08] <chubkakes1> lol
#3124 [22:08] <nevercast> there is sand on my ceiling
#3125 [22:08] <nevercast> If I mine it
#3126 [22:08] <relsqui> nevercast: we totally do that on my server *g*
#3127 [22:08] <nevercast> it will all fall down
#3128 [22:08] <nevercast> LOL :)
#3129 [22:09] <nevercast> chubkakes1, If the sand falls down.. my mine fills with water from the BLOODY BIG OCEAN I'M MINING UNDER
#3130 [22:09] <relsqui> "all those other doors lead to safe, lit rooms. this one leads to an open mine. caution."
#3131 [22:09] <nevercast> << Crafting Table and Storage
#3132 [22:09] <nevercast> Lava and BIG FALL >>
#3133 [22:10] <aetherian> nonono
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#3135 [22:10] <aetherian> make a 1x1 hole into the ground
#3136 [22:10] <aetherian> until you get to a cave
#3137 [22:10] <aetherian> then, put tnt at top of hole, and fire away
#3138 [22:10] <relsqui> only three stacks of track left. I must be getting close.
#3139 [22:11] <relsqui> I hope I'm getting close >_>
#3140 [22:11] <nevercast> lol.l
#3141 [22:11] <nevercast> aetherian, wait what?
#3142 [22:11] <aetherian> wutwut
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#3144 [22:11] <aetherian> long time no see, burnzez
#3145 [22:11] <BurnZeZ> lol
#3146 [22:12] <BurnZeZ> Long time no see?
#3147 [22:12] <relsqui> aha! I was getting close!
#3148 [22:12] <nevercast> need another sign
#3149 [22:12] <relsqui> :D
#3150 [22:12] <nevercast> Area closed until further notice
#3151 [22:12] <nevercast> Because I'm closing this bit off
#3152 [22:12] <BurnZeZ> Reference to coming back right after leaving?
#3153 [22:12] <nevercast> Idiot mines here
#3154 [22:12] <nevercast> My castle falls into a cave
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#3156 [22:13] <aetherian> wait, nevercast, are you playing with relsqui?
#3157 [22:13] <relsqui> no
#3158 [22:13] <aetherian> ohhhh
#3159 [22:13] <DopeGhoti> nevercast: your castle won't fall unless it's made of sand or gravel
#3160 [22:13] <relsqui> at least, not that I know of XD
#3161 [22:14] <aetherian> how meta
#3162 [22:14] <relsqui> wooo. destination reached
#3163 [22:14] <aetherian> dopeghoti: or water
#3164 [22:14] <aetherian> or lava
#3165 [22:14] <aetherian> lava castles are for the win
#3166 [22:14] <aetherian> but quite annoying to make
#3167 [22:15] <relsqui> yeah
#3168 [22:15] <relsqui> there's a lava castle on this server
#3169 [22:15] <relsqui> "castle" is a strong word. tower.
#3170 [22:15] <relsqui> my friend and I used it for shelter once when night was falling on us nearby
#3171 [22:15] * DaCheat2468 [DaCheat2468@notlogged] has joined ##MineCraftHelp
#3172 [22:15] <relsqui> "I can't believe the safest place for us right now is inside the tower of lava."
#3173 [22:15] <Zemedelphos> :(
#3174 [22:15] <DaCheat2468> hello?
#3175 [22:15] <Zemedelphos> I've still yet to find a slime.
#3176 [22:16] <Zemedelphos> Hi Cheat
#3177 [22:16] <DaCheat2468> I need assistance now!
#3178 [22:16] <relsqui> there are slimes?
#3179 [22:16] <Zemedelphos> If you are the cheat, why do you not talk like the cheat?
#3180 [22:16] <aetherian> yes
#3181 [22:16] <Zemedelphos> Yes, relsqui
#3182 [22:16] <aetherian> there are
#3183 [22:16] * Halitus87 [Halitus87@notlogged] has joined ##MineCraftHelp
#3184 [22:16] <relsqui> huh. obviously I haven't either
#3185 [22:16] <Zemedelphos> They spawn at the lowest levels of the map, iirc
#3186 [22:16] <aetherian> veeeeeeeeery rare
#3187 [22:16] <Zemedelphos> Yeah...
#3188 [22:16] <DaCheat2468> STFU I'm not happy right now!
#3189 [22:16] <nevercast> DopeGhoti, My Castle is on dirt that I built up.. but all around it is sand. So my 'castle' wont literally fall into the cave, But everything around it will and my cave will fill up with water
#3190 [22:16] <Zemedelphos> Calm down then.
#3191 [22:16] <relsqui> also, boy am I glad I laid that track as I was digging that tunnel, because fuck going through there again
#3192 [22:16] <DaCheat2468> My friend just bought me minecraft and the code i was supposed to use didn't work!
#3193 [22:17] <nevercast> DaCheat2468, What code?
#3194 [22:17] <nevercast> DaCheat2468, There is no code
#3195 [22:17] <nevercast> DaCheat2468, Derp
#3196 [22:17] <Zemedelphos> Are you sure he wrote it down/you typed it in right?
#3197 [22:17] <DaCheat2468> gift code
#3198 [22:17] <nevercast> OH
#3199 [22:17] <nevercast> ok
#3200 [22:17] <Zemedelphos> nevercast: gift code...
#3201 [22:17] <Zemedelphos> Yeah
#3202 [22:17] <DaCheat2468> Yes. it is what he got
#3203 [22:18] <aetherian> nevercast: herp derp
#3204 [22:18] <relsqui> and your friend's profile shows the code as unused?
#3205 [22:18] <DaCheat2468> ?
#3206 [22:18] <relsqui> DaCheat2468: your friend should be able to look at the gift code buying page and see already-generated codes and who used them
#3207 [22:19] <Zemedelphos> Your friend can check his profile to see if the code is used or not.
#3208 [22:19] <relsqui> in this case, it shouldn't have any name there
#3209 [22:19] <Zemedelphos> Right
#3210 [22:19] <DaCheat2468> hold on
#3211 [22:19] <aetherian> oh my god lmao
#3212 [22:19] <relsqui> hey, neat. there's coal in the wall of my train station.
#3213 [22:20] <aetherian> this netbook... is totally obsolete
#3214 [22:20] <aetherian> and is still being sold
#3215 [22:20] <Zemedelphos> Relsqui: Fuel for the train!
#3216 [22:20] <aetherian> 128mb ram, 2gb nand-flash internal storage... no.... thank you.
#3217 [22:21] <Zemedelphos> 128mb ram? WHAT?
#3218 [22:21] <relsqui> Zemedelphos: not powered, I'm on SMP :)
#3219 [22:21] <Zemedelphos> Relsqui: it was a joke
#3220 [22:21] <relsqui> oh. it needn't have been ^_^
#3221 [22:21] <aetherian> zemedelphos: look for sylvania netbooks
#3222 [22:21] <aetherian> lol
#3223 [22:21] <Zemedelphos> Dude
#3224 [22:21] <Zemedelphos> That's like
#3225 [22:21] <Zemedelphos> WTF
#3226 [22:22] <aetherian> I need to buy that and complain that I can't play mc on it
#3227 [22:22] <aetherian> on here
#3228 [22:22] <Zemedelphos> THat's lame.
#3229 [22:22] <aetherian> I don't think that thing has high enough specs for notepad
#3230 [22:22] <relsqui> haha
#3231 [22:23] <aetherian> I'd need to install microcore linux just to get an OS that fits on it >.>
#3232 [22:23] <DaCheat2468> I'm getting very pissed......
#3233 [22:24] <aetherian> I'm scouring ebay for good used netbooks
#3234 [22:24] <EmpiresBane> i know someone that plays minecraft on a 16-bit computer
#3235 [22:24] <EmpiresBane> it's very sad
#3236 [22:24] <aetherian> o.o
#3237 [22:24] <aetherian> I need to come on here crying and asking
#3238 [22:25] <aetherian> "WHY CAN'T I PLAY MC ON MY COMMODORE 64?!"
#3239 [22:25] <EmpiresBane> i need to punch something
#3240 [22:25] <CruelNoise> because openGL
#3241 [22:25] <EmpiresBane> this is really pissing me off
#3242 [22:25] <CruelNoise> what is it, EmpiresBane?
#3243 [22:26] <EmpiresBane> trying to get this wireless card working on Ubuntu
#3244 [22:26] <aetherian> aha, I found a good netbook on ebay.... but for the fact that he can't get it to boot up properly and I quote, "I have to use task manager to access files"
#3245 [22:26] <aetherian> hmm
#3246 [22:26] <aetherian> sounds like it needs linux
#3247 [22:26] <EmpiresBane> wait.... it can't boot, but he can use task manager?
#3248 [22:26] <EmpiresBane> wut?
#3249 [22:27] <aetherian> probably windows explorer broke
#3250 [22:32] * DaCheat2468 [DaCheat2468@notlogged] has joined ##MineCraftHelp
#3251 [22:32] <DaCheat2468> I wanna speak to a higher up.....now!
#3252 [22:32] <aetherian> kealper
#3253 [22:32] <aetherian> I'm pinging you
#3254 [22:33] <aetherian> even though you're watching documentaries, kealper
#3255 [22:33] <aetherian> listen to the beeeeep
#3256 [22:33] * [Z]Jake|Cpt [[Z]Jake|Cpt@notlogged] has joined ##MineCraftHelp
#3257 [22:33] <aetherian> someone wants to talk to you, kealper.
#3258 [22:33] <DaCheat2468> is he the higher up?.......
#3259 [22:33] <aetherian> highest up that's on a computer, that I know of
#3260 [22:34] <DaCheat2468> I am in need of superior help, I can't get my minecraft purchase to work. my friend bought it for me and my code won't work!
#3261 [22:34] <aetherian> what is your ingame name
#3262 [22:34] <aetherian> account name
#3263 [22:34] <DaCheat2468> DaCheat2468 duuuu
#3264 [22:35] <aetherian> !check dacheat2468
#3265 [22:35] <aetherian> !paid dacheat2468
#3266 [22:35] <aetherian> !help
#3267 [22:35] <aetherian> !paid dacheat2468
#3268 [22:35] <DaCheat2468> the code i was given failed
#3269 [22:35] * Gath [Gath@notlogged] has joined ##MineCraftHelp
#3270 [22:35] <aetherian> then it don't exist
#3271 [22:35] <DaCheat2468> it complained The gift code is incorrect, or has already been used.
#3272 [22:36] <DaCheat2468> we just bought it less then 10 mins ago!
#3273 [22:36] <aetherian> lul
#3274 [22:36] <nevercast> I'm..
#3275 [22:36] <DaCheat2468> ....................................
#3276 [22:36] <nevercast> So fuckin' lost
#3277 [22:36] <aetherian> and thus I hereby lul at thee
#3278 [22:37] <DaCheat2468> ........................................
#3279 [22:37] <DaCheat2468> Fuck...........your..................mother...............
#3280 [22:37] <relsqui> is there a delay on gift codes kicking in, like there is with paid accounts?
#3281 [22:37] <relsqui> i.e. if you pay for the game it can take a while for the server to know that
#3282 [22:37] <arensirb> !check arensirb
#3283 [22:37] <aetherian> yeah
#3284 [22:37] <DaCheat2468> *goes crying in a corner*
#3285 [22:37] <arensirb> dang :P
#3286 [22:37] <aetherian> that's why I lulled at him
#3287 [22:37] <relsqui> dunno if the same thing happens with gift codes but it'd be more surprising if it didn't than if it did
#3288 [22:37] <arensirb> wth?
#3289 [22:37] <aetherian> !paid arensirb
#3290 [22:38] <aetherian> ...
#3291 [22:38] <aetherian> lul
#3292 [22:38] <arensirb> :D
#3293 [22:38] <DaCheat2468> *lifts up aetherian with his draconic claws* "I'll rip your heart out!!!"
#3294 [22:38] <Zemedelphos> !paid Zemedelphos
#3295 [22:38] <aetherian> lol
#3296 [22:38] * aetherian flies up a little
#3296 [22:38] <relsqui> DaCheat2468: this isn't a roleplay channel
#3297 [22:38] <Zemedelphos> :3
#3298 [22:38] <aetherian> can't catch me
#3299 [22:39] <DaCheat2468> I don't care!!
#3300 [22:39] <aetherian> relsqui: yes it is
#3301 [22:39] <relsqui> DaCheat2468: anyway, try it again in half an hour and see if it works then
#3302 [22:39] <aetherian> why does firefox nerf my download speed >.>
#3303 [22:39] <DaCheat2468> meh.........fine.....................
#3304 [22:39] * DaCheat2468 grabs a sniper and shoots aetherian in the ass
#3304 [22:39] <aetherian> dude
#3305 [22:39] <aetherian> I can't die
#3306 [22:40] * noahk11 [noahk11@notlogged] has joined ##MineCraftHelp
#3307 [22:40] <aetherian> your shots go through me
#3308 [22:40] <nevercast> god damn!!
#3309 [22:40] * DaCheat2468 throws aetherian into a minecraft lava pit >.<
#3309 [22:40] * Zemedelphos goes back in time and prevents aetherian from being brought into existance.
#3309 [22:40] <Zemedelphos> >:D
#3310 [22:40] <aetherian> DACHEAT! your... gun... is... broken!
#3311 [22:40] <nevercast> This mine is just really big :D
#3312 [22:40] <noahk11> I need help with a minecraft classic server
#3313 [22:40] <nevercast> and I can't find my home :(
#3314 [22:40] <Zemedelphos> It feels good being a time traveler!
#3315 [22:40] <relsqui> ... so are you guys *actually* like 14, or just acting like it?
#3316 [22:40] * Zemedelphos is acting like it.
#3316 [22:40] <nevercast> HA!
#3317 [22:40] <aetherian> zeme: if you go back in time I haven't descended upon earth quite yet
#3318 [22:40] <DaCheat2468> i'm 19. and dislexic
#3319 [22:40] <nevercast> I'm 18, and lost
#3320 [22:41] <aetherian> putting the sexy back into dyslexia
#3321 [22:41] <noahk11> Hello! help?
#3322 [22:41] <DaCheat2468> good day >:(
#3323 [22:41] <relsqui> noahk11: you haven't asked a question yet :)
#3324 [22:41] <aetherian> kbai
#3325 [22:41] <relsqui> (fwiw, I personally probably won't know, but someone might)
#3326 [22:41] <Zemedelphos> I'm 19, and my brain has suffered a memory overlaod.
#3327 [22:41] <aetherian> relsqui, you keep telling yourself that. mr. pride.
#3328 [22:41] <noahk11> Help?
#3329 [22:41] <aetherian> no
#3330 [22:41] <aetherian> no help here
#3331 [22:42] <aetherian> go try in #mchelp
#3332 [22:42] <relsqui> noahk11: don't just add a question mark. ask an actual question.
#3333 [22:42] <noahk11> The name of the server is #MineCraftHelp
#3334 [22:42] <Zemedelphos> Dude, you didn't ask a question.
#3335 [22:42] <relsqui> aetherian: which part of that was self-aggrandizing?
#3336 [22:42] <relsqui> noahk11: yes. you're in the right place. if you *ask a question*, someone might be able to help you
#3337 [22:42] <Zemedelphos> Don't juse say "i need help with a MC classic server" when you didn't tell us the problem.
#3338 [22:42] <Zemedelphos> just*
#3339 [22:42] <relsqui> noahk11: merely observing that you need help doesn't give anyone anything to go on
#3340 [22:42] <aetherian> <relsqui> ... so are you guys *actually* like 14, or just acting like it?
#3341 [22:42] <aetherian> :)
#3342 [22:42] <relsqui> aetherian: oh, that
#3343 [22:42] <arensirb> * Zemedelphos goes back in time and prevents aetherian from being brought into existance.
#3344 [22:43] <arensirb> thats not possible
#3345 [22:43] <aetherian> dotdotdot
#3346 [22:43] <relsqui> well, it's irc! you never know
#3347 [22:43] <relsqui> sometimes everyone else actually is 14 and nobody told you
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#3349 [22:43] <noahk11> My minecraft server is haveing a chat problem. I i type "hello" it come up as ***** help?
#3350 [22:43] <arensirb> if you do that, he wont be an ass, you wont build the machine, you wont have gone back in time, thus he gets born
#3351 [22:43] <aetherian> relsqui, of course I'm not 14, I'm 92.
#3352 [22:43] <aetherian> ;)
#3353 [22:43] <Zemedelphos> arensirb: well, it is. For example, if he was born, I could prevent his birth. If he was generated as some anomaly, i could prevent it.
#3354 [22:43] <Zemedelphos> Unfortunately
#3355 [22:43] <Zemedelphos> As soon as I did it, I never needed to do it.
#3356 [22:43] <noahk11> My minecraft server is haveing a chat problem. I i type "hello" it come up as ***** help?
#3357 [22:43] <Zemedelphos> Unles I go by Doctor Who rules.
#3358 [22:44] <Zemedelphos> Which I choose not to do in this case.
#3359 [22:44] <nevercast> FUCK!! I'm so damn lost I'm going in circles... 3rd party gps?
#3360 [22:44] <relsqui> dammit, why isn't my booster resetting
#3361 [22:44] <aetherian> noah, does the server have a mod?
#3362 [22:44] <noahk11> no
#3363 [22:45] <arensirb> relsqui: maybe you did something wrong :D :P
#3364 [22:45] <arensirb> !paid linde12
#3365 [22:45] <relsqui> arensirb: probably!
#3366 [22:45] <Wahrheit> AuBot: join 0
#3367 [22:45] <Wahrheit> !join 0
#3368 [22:45] <arensirb> lol
#3369 [22:45] <Wahrheit> teehee
#3370 [22:45] <Wahrheit> Kealper: pls dun hurt me
#3371 [22:45] <aetherian> !paid 0
#3372 [22:45] <aetherian> :O
#3373 [22:45] <arensirb> relsqui: Shouldnt be that hard, boosters arent roicket science
#3374 [22:45] <arensirb> Can I register the nick 0 ? :D
#3375 [22:45] <aetherian> !paid abcdef
#3376 [22:45] <aetherian> :OO
#3377 [22:45] <relsqui> sorry, launcher I meant
#3378 [22:45] <relsqui> not booster
#3379 [22:45] <aetherian> !paid abd
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#3381 [22:45] <Wahrheit> !paid Wahrheit
#3382 [22:46] <aetherian> !paid abc
#3383 [22:46] <Wahrheit> !paid Wahrheit
#3384 [22:46] <arensirb> relsqui: Whats a launcher?
#3385 [22:46] <aetherian> !paid abc
#3386 [22:46] <aetherian> awwww
#3387 [22:46] <relsqui> arensirb: cart starter. sit in cart, push button, cart is launched onto track
#3388 [22:46] <arensirb> !paid aetherian
#3389 [22:46] <arensirb> damn
#3390 [22:46] <arensirb> i bet he got it
#3391 [22:46] <arensirb> :P
#3392 [22:46] <aetherian> :D
#3393 [22:46] <noahk11> My minecraft server is haveing a chat problem. I i type "hello" it come up as ***** help?
#3394 [22:46] <aetherian> ...
#3395 [22:46] <arensirb> noahk11: Thanks for repeating yourself
#3396 [22:46] <aetherian> is... your... server... a... modified... server...
#3397 [22:46] <relsqui> aetherian: he said no
#3398 [22:47] <noahk11> no
#3399 [22:47] * MrHabbits [MrHabbits@notlogged] has joined ##MineCraftHelp
#3400 [22:47] <nevercast> WOW
#3401 [22:47] <noahk11> it runs from MCForge
#3402 [22:47] <nevercast> I finally reach land by digging upwards and almost drowning
#3403 [22:47] <nevercast> to find I'm in the ocean
#3404 [22:47] <nevercast> miles away from home
#3405 [22:47] <nevercast> The mine is bloody rediculous
#3406 [22:47] <MrHabbits> Is their anyway to find out when and what the next update is?
#3407 [22:47] <Zemedelphos> Yes.
#3408 [22:47] <MrHabbits> How?
#3409 [22:47] <Zemedelphos> Read notch's blog. He'll tell you when there's an update.
#3410 [22:47] <MrHabbits> OK thanks :D
#3411 [22:48] <aetherian> ooo...ooo
#3412 [22:48] <aetherian> I thought mcforge... was a mod?
#3413 [22:48] <noahk11> i dont think so
#3414 [22:48] <noahk11> its just custom software
#3415 [22:49] <relsqui> what did you think a mod was?
#3416 [22:49] <noahk11> nvr mind
#3417 [22:49] <noahk11> can i just have help its really bothering me
#3418 [22:49] <aetherian> .........................
#3419 [22:49] <aetherian> relsqui: I win
#3420 [22:49] <noahk11> it effects everyone on the server not just me
#3421 [22:49] <arensirb> Then read up on server documentation
#3422 [22:49] <arensirb> That would be my advice
#3423 [22:49] <relsqui> aetherian: ?
#3424 [22:49] <noahk11> ill look
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#3426 [22:50] <aetherian> <relsqui> aetherian: he said no
#3427 [22:50] <aetherian> yet he LIED
#3428 [22:50] <relsqui> aetherian: what does that have to do with me?
#3429 [22:50] <relsqui> the fact I was reporting was true :P
#3430 [22:50] <aetherian> everything
#3431 [22:50] <relsqui> I wasn't vouching for his server
#3432 [22:50] <aetherian> yet it was irrelevant
#3433 [22:51] <nevercast> Oh wow
#3434 [22:51] * helpmeminecraft [helpmeminecraft@notlogged] has joined ##MineCraftHelp
#3435 [22:51] <nevercast> I didn't realise the map is generated in real time
#3436 [22:51] <nevercast> while playing
#3437 [22:51] <nevercast> as you explore
#3438 [22:51] <helpmeminecraft> hey can someone help me
#3439 [22:51] <aetherian> oh god
#3440 [22:51] <aetherian> I knew it
#3441 [22:51] <helpmeminecraft> how do i register
#3442 [22:51] <aetherian> lmao
#3443 [22:51] <helpmeminecraft> it aint letting me
#3444 [22:51] <aetherian> /msg chanserv help register
#3445 [22:52] <helpmeminecraft> dfasfs
#3446 [22:52] <helpmeminecraft> uhm
#3447 [22:52] <helpmeminecraft> didnt work
#3448 [22:52] <helpmeminecraft> how do i uhm register
#3449 [22:52] <helpmeminecraft> when trying
#3450 [22:52] <helpmeminecraft> it says
#3451 [22:52] <helpmeminecraft> pick
#3452 [22:52] <Zemedelphos> lol
#3453 [22:52] <helpmeminecraft> a name passwor dna what not
#3454 [22:52] <Zemedelphos> let me tell you how to do this.
#3455 [22:52] <helpmeminecraft> but then to prove i am human nothing is there
#3456 [22:52] <Zemedelphos> Chose the name you want with /nick (namehere)
#3457 [22:52] <aetherian> ...
#3458 [22:52] <nevercast> WOW
#3459 [22:53] <nevercast> I didn't know the server protocol was available on wiki
#3460 [22:53] <Zemedelphos> then, /msg nickserv register <password> <emailaddress>
#3461 [22:53] <aetherian> hey, do your new lines quicker, and you'll get a cookie
#3462 [22:53] <aetherian> oh wait, aubot isn't opped
#3463 [22:53] <aetherian> dammit
#3464 [22:53] <aetherian> op
#3465 [22:53] <aetherian> aubot
#3466 [22:53] <aetherian> now
#3467 [22:53] * AuBot kicked aetherian from #MineCraftHelp (Reason: Please do not spam the channel. Your ban will be lifted in about 5 seconds.)
#3468 [22:53] * aetherian [aetherian@notlogged] has joined ##MineCraftHelp
#3469 [22:53] <aetherian> wait what
#3470 [22:53] <aetherian> I was looking
#3471 [22:53] <Zemedelphos> lol
#3472 [22:54] <aetherian> I was looking at the wrong list
#3473 [22:54] <aetherian> I was looking at some other chan
#3474 [22:54] * aetherian goes and hides under a rock
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#3475 [22:56] <helpmeminecraft> wdf when i sign up it says nullerror
#3476 [22:56] <helpmeminecraft> pointer
#3477 [22:56] * Freddy [Freddy@notlogged] has joined ##MineCraftHelp
#3478 [22:56] <helpmeminecraft> and some crap
#3479 [22:56] <relsqui> finally! I think it got set up right
#3480 [22:56] <helpmeminecraft> how do i do it?
#3481 [22:56] <Zemedelphos> first, choose the nickname you want
#3482 [22:57] <Zemedelphos> use /nick (namehere)
#3483 [22:57] <helpmeminecraft> how:? just type this stuff in here in the irc
#3484 [22:57] <Zemedelphos> yes
#3485 [22:57] <Zemedelphos> okay
#3486 [22:57] <Zemedelphos> now, type the following
#3487 [22:57] <Zemedelphos> /msg nickserv register (passwordhere) (emailaddress@here)
#3488 [22:58] <relsqui> (with no parentheses)
#3489 [22:58] <Zemedelphos> he skipped parentheses when typing his nick. I'd assume he'd skip them here.
#3490 [22:58] <relsqui> ah, yes
#3491 [22:59] * noahk11 [noahk11@notlogged] has left #MineCraftHelp
#3492 [22:59] <relsqui> hmph, launcher still not behaving. gonna go make some food and then see what it thinks.
#3493 [23:00] <shishio83> i didnt get an emial sent .....
#3494 [23:00] <Zemedelphos> Wait for it.
#3495 [23:00] <shishio83> how long
#3496 [23:00] <shishio83> wel ill try again tomorw
#3497 [23:01] <lemon-rev> shishio83 < also log into minecraft.net and check your account
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#3499 [23:08] <aetherian> owww, I'm getting a throbbing sharp pain in my chest
#3500 [23:09] <lemon-rev> heart attack
#3501 [23:09] <Kealper> take some aspirin
#3502 [23:09] <aetherian> I don't think we even have any, kealper
#3503 [23:09] <aetherian> =\
#3504 [23:10] <nevercast> aetherian, Is it still there?
#3505 [23:10] <aetherian> of course it bloody well is
#3506 [23:10] <nevercast> Sorry no time stamps =/ What's your age, mate?
#3507 [23:10] <aetherian> lolno
#3508 [23:10] <Kealper> epic heartburn?
#3509 [23:10] <aetherian> no age for you.
#3510 [23:10] <Kealper> less than 20
#3511 [23:10] <nevercast> Awh :(
#3512 [23:10] <nevercast> Okay :)
#3513 [23:11] <aetherian> over 2.
#3514 [23:11] <nevercast> Then he's 19
#3515 [23:11] <aetherian> barely.
#3516 [23:11] <Kealper> if i had to guess, i'd say 16
#3517 [23:11] <nevercast> Okay.
#3518 [23:11] <aetherian> mmlovely.
#3519 [23:11] <nevercast> ***noted
#3520 [23:11] <aetherian> kealper: you revised.
#3521 [23:11] <Kealper> wut
#3522 [23:11] <aetherian> last time, you said I was... what? 14? 15?
#3523 [23:11] <Kealper> i was leaning on saying 15
#3524 [23:11] <Kealper> 15-16
#3525 [23:11] <aetherian> hmm
#3526 [23:12] <aetherian> I really need to brush up on my shakespeare.
#3527 [23:13] <nevercast> lol.
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#3530 [23:14] <Miniminers512> Hello
#3531 [23:14] <aetherian> huh wha
#3532 [23:14] <Miniminers512> Can someone please help me?
#3533 [23:14] <aetherian> I'm never random
#3534 [23:14] <aetherian> no, we can;t
#3535 [23:14] <aetherian> what do you think we are
#3536 [23:14] <aetherian> the mc help channel?
#3537 [23:14] <Kealper> Miniminers512: what with?
#3538 [23:15] <Miniminers512> It's about geting mods in the game
#3539 [23:15] <Miniminers512> Do you think you can help me with that?
#3540 [23:16] <Kealper> if it's about a specific mod, you will have to ask the creator of it, but if it's just about installing them in general, i'll answer it
#3541 [23:16] <Miniminers512> It's instaling
#3542 [23:16] <aetherian> delete META.INF
#3543 [23:16] <aetherian> problem solved
#3544 [23:16] <Kealper> Miniminers512: what part are you getting stuck at?
#3545 [23:17] <Miniminers512> Well I'm Opening the minecraft file on bin
#3546 [23:17] <aetherian> mmhmm
#3547 [23:17] <Miniminers512> And I'm using 7zip
#3548 [23:18] <Miniminers512> When I'm trying to drag the mod/mod loader it pops up wit an error
#3549 [23:18] <Miniminers512> With*
#3550 [23:18] <Kealper> what error?
#3551 [23:18] <Kealper> is your minecraft running right now?
#3552 [23:18] <Miniminers512> No
#3553 [23:18] <Kealper> then back to the previous question lol
#3554 [23:19] <Miniminers512> Umm I froget the error
#3555 [23:19] <Kealper> could you try again and tell us the error?
#3556 [23:19] <Miniminers512> Umm il go check
#3557 [23:19] <Miniminers512> Brb
#3558 [23:20] <Kealper> want to see boredom in action?
#3559 [23:20] <Miniminers512> Sorry it might be a wile I'm on my mobile and il loving in my pc now
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#3562 [23:21] <Kealper2> !ping
#3563 [23:21] <Kealper2> noes!
#3564 [23:22] <GV> Bah?
#3565 [23:22] <GV> !ping
#3566 [23:22] <Kealper2> i was going to see how fast i could copy and paste back greybot's ping request over a telnet connection lol
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#3568 [23:23] <Kealper2> !ping
#3569 [23:23] <GreyBot> Kealper2 Your Ping time was 20.67 Seconds.
#3570 [23:24] <Kealper2> dang, that's hard to do
#3571 [23:24] <Miniminers512> ?? It's working
#3572 [23:24] <nevercast> 'Press H for help'.. *presses*, "An error as occured, program will now close" LOLWAT
#3573 [23:24] <Miniminers512> Oh umm that's odd
#3574 [23:24] <Kealper> it fixed itself :o
#3575 [23:25] <Miniminers512> Sorry for wasting part of your time
#3576 [23:25] <aetherian> !ping
#3577 [23:25] <GreyBot> aetherian Your Ping time was 0.431 Seconds.
#3578 [23:25] <Kealper> np, the best problems are the ones that fix themselves :P
#3579 [23:25] <aetherian> :D
#3580 [23:25] <aetherian> ima go try to make my ping reaalllyyy long
#3581 [23:25] <Kealper> lemme hijack aubot for a sec
#3582 [23:25] <Kealper2> !ping
#3583 [23:25] <Miniminers512> Il let you guys know if it stops working
#3584 [23:26] <arensirb> !ping
#3585 [23:26] <GreyBot> arensirb Your Ping time was 0.421 Seconds.
#3586 [23:26] <Kealper> gah, screw it....messed up that ping
#3587 [23:26] <aetherian> lmao
#3588 [23:27] <Kealper> especially when you have to type privmsg #minecrafthelp : just to talk -.-
#3589 [23:27] <Miniminers512> Hey wait umm one more thing pretty dumb question
#3590 [23:27] <Miniminers512> But what file do I drop in my texture packeges
#3591 [23:27] <aetherian> my ping should be going uppp
#3592 [23:27] <Kealper> for the texturepacks folder?
#3593 [23:28] <Kealper> just the texture pack's .zip file
#3594 [23:28] <GreyBot> AuBot Your Ping time was 0.34 Seconds.
#3595 [23:28] <Kealper> i win aetherian
#3596 [23:28] <aetherian> not yet
#3597 [23:28] <Miniminers512> No I maid my own texture pack but I do not know where to place it
#3598 [23:29] <Miniminers512> It's a Lego texture pack XD
#3599 [23:29] <GreyVulpine> What OS are you on?
#3600 [23:29] <Kealper> Miniminers512: it's in the correct format, right?
#3601 [23:29] <Miniminers512> Yes
#3602 [23:29] <Kealper> run minecraft, go to Mods and Texture Packs
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#3604 [23:29] <Kealper> click Open texturepacks Folder
#3605 [23:29] <Miniminers512> Ok
#3606 [23:29] <Kealper> place your texture pack in there
#3607 [23:29] <Miniminers512> Kk
#3608 [23:29] <Miniminers512> Thxx
#3609 [23:30] <aetherian> just wait a bit kealper
#3610 [23:30] <aetherian> I'll make my ping better
#3611 [23:30] <Miniminers512> Finaly people that help you unlike normal minecraft chat were they just talk aboute bedrck
#3612 [23:31] <GreyVulpine> Sorry, I think I screwed something up with greybot's upgrade...
#3613 [23:31] <GreyVulpine> It keeps crashing on me
#3614 [23:31] <aetherian> fail
#3615 [23:31] <aetherian> !ping
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#3617 [23:31] <Arturo> hey
#3618 [23:32] <GreyVulpine> No, mIRC is crashing itself
#3619 [23:32] <Miniminers512> Yay I now have guns in minecraft
#3620 [23:32] <Arturo> can i pay directly to buy minecraft with a credit card eventhough its in euros?
#3621 [23:32] <Miniminers512> Thaxx again kealper
#3622 [23:32] <Arturo> :o ok thanks
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#3625 [23:35] <arensirb> Was there talk about singleplayer running a local server?
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#3628 [23:37] <aetherian> o.o
#3629 [23:37] <aetherian> grey
#3630 [23:37] <GreyVulpine> Alright.. hopefully that helped.
#3631 [23:37] <GreyVulpine> probably didn't, but one can hope
#3632 [23:37] <aetherian> your bot has the flu
#3633 [23:38] <arensirb> AuBot: Do you know if its also the plan that if you forward ports, people can join your local server?
#3634 [23:38] <Miniminers512> Dang second creeper of the day that blew up my housssssssssssse
#3635 [23:38] <lemon-rev> ok stupid question whats the biggest deposit someone in here has found of iron in one spot ?
#3636 [23:38] <Kealper> arensirb: no idea, but that would be pretty cool
#3637 [23:39] <arensirb> http://forums.bukkit.org/threads/a-meeting-with-mojang-specifications.1292/
#3638 [23:39] <arensirb> Kealper: yeah
#3639 [23:39] <Miniminers512> :s
#3640 [23:39] <arensirb> Specially for alot of people that doesnt know how to make a server
#3641 [23:39] <arensirb> Just start up SP, give your friends your ip, and have fun :)
#3642 [23:39] <Kealper> for the record, that was me talking on aubot lol
#3643 [23:39] <Zemedelphos> lemon: probably around 7. 2 disconnected groups. 1 of 3, and 1 of 4 about 3 blocsk away.
#3644 [23:39] <arensirb> ok :D :P
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#3646 [23:39] <GreyVulpine> !ping
#3647 [23:39] <GreyBot> GreyVulpine Your Ping time was 0.38 Seconds.
#3648 [23:39] <lemon-rev> hm
#3649 [23:39] <lemon-rev> i see
#3650 [23:40] <arensirb> "Server -> client communication to allow popping up an interface, etc"
#3651 [23:40] <arensirb> that would be awesome
#3652 [23:40] <Miniminers512> Guys oh my god holy crap the creepers blast blew up a hole filled with dimonds!!!!!!
#3653 [23:40] <arensirb> Do you know what licensing they are talking about?
#3654 [23:40] <GreyVulpine> Who?
#3655 [23:41] <Miniminers512> Yes thank god creepers
#3656 [23:41] <Zemedelphos> Hmm. I'd like it if there was a way to change skins on the fly.
#3657 [23:41] <arensirb> bukkit
#3658 [23:41] <arensirb> http://forums.bukkit.org/threads/a-meeting-with-mojang-specifications.1292/ <-- as stated there
#3659 [23:41] <arensirb> "Going into the meeting, we were hoping to tackle the licensing issue right out of the door."
#3660 [23:41] <GreyVulpine> Oh, they were talking about the legalities of licensing bukkit and its plugins
#3661 [23:41] <arensirb> err, like if i wanna use bukkit, i need to purchase it?=
#3662 [23:41] <GreyVulpine> bukkit itself, wants to be GPL.. but it can't force plugin makers to follow it
#3663 [23:42] <arensirb> or rent it from them
#3664 [23:42] <arensirb> ah
#3665 [23:42] <GreyVulpine> So they gotta modify the GPL, to make it work
#3666 [23:42] <arensirb> well, if I make a plugin, my plugin isnt bukkit, I can release my plugin under what license I want, cant I?
#3667 [23:42] <GreyVulpine> That's the discussion
#3668 [23:42] <arensirb> If I wanna charge for it, thats my decision
#3669 [23:42] <Miniminers512> What is bukkit
#3670 [23:42] <Kealper> i'd say they could draft their own license, but that takes lots of time and money :/
#3671 [23:42] <arensirb> Miniminers512: Server software
#3672 [23:42] <Miniminers512> Ohh
#3673 [23:43] <Kealper> server mod for server software
#3674 [23:43] <GreyVulpine> bukkit is a custom modded server
#3675 [23:43] <arensirb> ah
#3676 [23:43] <GreyVulpine> Provides an API for mineecraft, for plugin coders to code against
#3677 [23:43] <arensirb> But why is that a discussion? Plugins intended for something doesnt go under that license, does it?
#3678 [23:43] <Miniminers512> Why do you want it?
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#3680 [23:43] <GreyVulpine> Adds functionality that isn't in vanilla minecraf
#3681 [23:43] <GreyVulpine> t
#3682 [23:43] <arensirb> So it breaks GPL?
#3683 [23:43] <Miniminers512> Ohh cool
#3684 [23:44] <arensirb> oh
#3685 [23:44] <arensirb> lol xD
#3686 [23:44] <GreyVulpine> No, it doesn't break GPL, but bukkit doesn't fit the mold of GPL.
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#3688 [23:45] <lemon-rev> http://img818.imageshack.us/i/7ironclump.jpg < thought that was impressive but anyways lol
#3689 [23:45] <arensirb> but GreyVulpine, is it so that bukkit wants to be able to charge for their thing?
#3690 [23:46] <GreyVulpine> Usually, when you license stuff under GPL, all code under it is inheritly GPLed too, except in this case, it makes it hard for bukkit to follow GPL, when you can't force plugin coders to also publish in GPL
#3691 [23:46] <ZigfriedWolf> alright i have a question. Sorry if I'm interrupting something. I just got a new computer. I downloaded minecraft, but i cant log into a SMP server. However my laptop can log into it just fine. is there any particular reason for that?
#3692 [23:46] <GreyVulpine> Some plugin makers want to charge for their plugin, to make it hard to decompile, and such
#3693 [23:46] <lemon-rev> ZigfriedWolf could be firewalled
#3694 [23:46] <lemon-rev> or your antivirus is blocking it
#3695 [23:46] <arensirb> GreyVulpine: aha.. They should be allowed that imho
#3696 [23:46] <GreyVulpine> McMyAdmin is a paid server wrapper, and people want it to be integrated into bukkit
#3697 [23:47] <GreyVulpine> But GPL doesn't really allow that
#3698 [23:47] <ZigfriedWolf> running the same anitvirus on both computers
#3699 [23:47] <lemon-rev> ZigfriedWolf < check the blocking on the newest one that one that cant log in
#3700 [23:47] <ZigfriedWolf> how does one do that?
#3701 [23:47] <arensirb> Maybe im just dumb here, why does a plugin "i" write have to follow GPL?
#3702 [23:47] <lemon-rev> ZigfriedWolf what virus scanner you running and what os ?
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#3704 [23:48] <Kealper> arensirb: because the thing it's for would be following GPL
#3705 [23:48] <ZigfriedWolf> win 7 64bit, and avast
#3706 [23:48] <ZigfriedWolf> also firefox for the web browser
#3707 [23:48] <Kealper> arensirb: which is why they want the proper licensing, so that does not work that way anymore
#3708 [23:48] <arensirb> So your saying that if I make something for something thats under GPL, my thingie also has to be GPL?
#3709 [23:48] <Kealper> so they can have their code be GPL, and the plugins can be licensed under whatever they want
#3710 [23:49] <arensirb> ah
#3711 [23:49] <nevercast> FOUND IT
#3712 [23:49] <arensirb> But the mc server they use, thats not GPL?
#3713 [23:49] <Kealper> and as i said, they could just draft their own license, but that takes time, money, and a good legal team :/
#3714 [23:49] <nevercast> Finally found my awesome place using a map viewer... only took ages
#3715 [23:49] <nevercast> Now to backtrace
#3716 [23:49] <Kealper> arensirb: they use the normal vanilla mc server
#3717 [23:50] <Kealper> it's just a very advanced mod of the vanilla server
#3718 [23:50] <GV> Bhttp://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html
#3719 [23:50] <GV> 5. Conveying Modified Source Versions.
#3720 [23:50] <arensirb> yeah, but the vanilla server, what license is that?
#3721 [23:50] <lemon-rev> ZigfriedWolf
#3722 [23:50] <Kealper> proprietary closed-source one atm
#3723 [23:51] <GV> c) You must license the entire work, as a whole, under this License to anyone who comes into possession of a copy. This License will therefore apply, along with any applicable section 7 additional terms, to the whole of the work, and all its parts, regardless of how they are packaged. This License gives no permission to license the work in any other way, but it does not invalidate such permission if you have separately receiv
#3724 [23:51] <GV> ed it.
#3725 [23:51] <lemon-rev> ZigfriedWolf < have you tryed searching and reading about blocking programs with that avast
#3726 [23:51] <ZigfriedWolf> ?
#3727 [23:51] <ZigfriedWolf> no
#3728 [23:51] <arensirb> gv: And that applies to third party addons for that software aswell
#3729 [23:51] <arensirb> Probably stated under section 7 :P
#3730 [23:51] <lemon-rev> theres a lot of other things out there ZigfriedWolf for controling avast
#3731 [23:51] <Kealper> yes, since a plugin is just an extension of the main program
#3732 [23:52] <lemon-rev> but nothing to say hwo to acaully turn the f'ing thing off
#3733 [23:52] <ZigfriedWolf> haha
#3734 [23:52] <arensirb> Thats crappy :P
#3735 [23:52] <GV> See, that's the thing. GPL doesn't really fit the mold of bukkit. plugins themselves are entirely self contained, and don't have to entirely depend on bukkit
#3736 [23:52] <ZigfriedWolf> well i know that its not avast. i have it on my laptop. minecraft works fine
#3737 [23:52] <arensirb> What happens if a dev does not do that ?
#3738 [23:52] <GV> Since plugin makers can call functions directly from minecraft, and not have to use bukkit
#3739 [23:52] <arensirb> If I make a plugin, and sell it, is it illegal?
#3740 [23:52] <Kealper> then they also miss a shot at allowing minecraft to integrate Bukkit code as the mod API
#3741 [23:53] <lemon-rev> ZigfriedWolf check your firewall on the new computer useing control pannel then
#3742 [23:53] <GV> Illegal, no.
#3743 [23:53] <GV> But the bukkit team has been looking into licensing bukkit under terms that better fit, and give coders more freedom into how they want to distribute their code
#3744 [23:53] <Kealper> that's one of the main reasons Bukkit is worried about proper licensing, if they can get it under something like GPL, it will let Mojang use Bukkit code for the mod API
#3745 [23:54] <Kealper> and what GV said, it lets others edit Bukkit code
#3746 [23:54] <ZigfriedWolf> i cant even find minecraft launcher on the list
#3747 [23:54] <arensirb> aha, licensing stating bukkit is bukkit, but plugins are not bukkit?
#3748 [23:54] <Kealper> yes
#3749 [23:54] <Kealper> because under GPL right now, Bukkit is Bukkit, and plugins for Bukkit is Bukkit
#3750 [23:54] <lemon-rev> ZigfriedWolf you might have to add it then
#3751 [23:54] <arensirb> Kealper: thats crap :P Pardon my french
#3752 [23:55] <ZigfriedWolf> you'll have to forgive me. i dont know how
#3753 [23:55] <Kealper> oui
#3754 [23:55] <arensirb> Which means people wont put as much time into a plugin as they could,
#3755 [23:55] <arensirb> If you could charge for it, you would make it the best you can
#3756 [23:55] <lemon-rev> ZigfriedWolf under firewall does it have an advanced button or tab ?
#3757 [23:55] <ZigfriedWolf> yup
#3758 [23:56] <lemon-rev> ZigfriedWolf whats under that advanc ed tab
#3759 [23:56] <Kealper> arensirb: exactly, for plugin devs, it means they HAVE to share their sourcecode and let people modify it if they want, right now
#3760 [23:56] <GV> Pfft, look at MCadmin, and the scandal that ensued
#3761 [23:56] <lemon-rev> ZigfriedWolf can you addprograms to firewall
#3762 [23:56] <Kealper> and that scares a lot of potential plugin devs off
#3763 [23:56] <GV> Paid, server wrapper.
#3764 [23:56] <Kealper> MCAdmin is a paid thing? i thought it was free?
#3765 [23:56] <ZigfriedWolf> wait. maybe im in the wrong place? it pulls up a new box that says windows firewall with advanced security
#3766 [23:56] <GV> It was paid, wasn't it?
#3767 [23:56] <Kealper> god that's even worse then
#3768 [23:57] * GV looks it up
#3768 [23:57] <lemon-rev> ZigfriedWolf yea that sounds like the correct place
#3769 [23:57] <Kealper> i wish i had more faith in autoit's speed
#3770 [23:57] <lemon-rev> ZigfriedWolf is there a way to add programs to it though ?
#3771 [23:57] <lemon-rev> ZigfriedWolf brb
#3772 [23:58] <Kealper> i'd like to take a shot at making a tcp wrapper lol
#3773 [23:58] <ZigfriedWolf> not that i can see
#3774 [23:59] <GV> Bah, you might be right Kealper, I think it was free.