#MinecraftHelp > 2011-02-14
#1 [00:00] <nevercast> well idk
#2 [00:00] <nevercast> I'm gonna get a coffee
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#5 [00:01] <Apoc> I need help installing a mod to my server.
#6 [00:01] <xales> ??> Apoc mods
#7 [00:01] <Apoc> If someone wouldn't mind helping me.
#8 [00:01] <VoxelHead> Apoc: (mods) This channel is not a venue for support with third-party mods. For assistance with Bukkit, check #Bukkit
#9 [00:01] <VoxelHead> Apoc: (mods) For assistance with many other mods, check #RisuCraft; Mod help here is more likely once the official API is revealed.
#10 [00:02] <Apoc> *sigh*
#11 [00:02] <xales> If it's something specific, ask
#12 [00:02] <xales> but don't expect an answer. If someone knows, they might help you
#13 [00:02] <xales> but not everyone has experience with every mod
#14 [00:02] <Apoc> I need help installing http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1023&t=147182&sid=82ddc75c3496dd78d43490db1f5d7be1 to my server.
#15 [00:02] <Apoc> It's a modified version of hMod.
#16 [00:03] <Apoc> And my server keeps spitting back at me.
#17 [00:03] <xales> Are you running the server on Windows?
#18 [00:03] <nevercast> Mod of a Mod eh
#19 [00:03] <Apoc> Yes
#20 [00:04] <Apoc> I'm running through ProvisionHost.
#21 [00:04] <Apoc> And I have MCMyAdmin
#22 [00:04] <Apoc> For some reason, it doesn't like this .
#23 [00:04] <xales> That's probably because your host isn't allowing a modified jar
#24 [00:04] <xales> you should contact them about it
#25 [00:05] <Apoc> Mkay.
#26 [00:05] <Apoc> Danke
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#30 [00:20] <DopeGhoti> ??+ dontclick|You will have better luck holding down the mouse button. Clicking is for instant interactions like placing blocks and flipping switches. To mine, chop wood, or dig; hold down the mouse button.
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#32 [00:34] <Coll> is minecraft.net down?
#33 [00:34] <xales> it is for me, but it isn't always down for everyone when some instances go down
#34 [00:35] <Coll> ugh
#35 [00:35] <Coll> I was playing a game with my girlfriend
#36 [00:35] <Coll> :<
#37 [00:35] <xales> =/
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#39 [00:42] <xales> !uptime
#40 [00:42] <xales> !time
#41 [00:42] <GreyBot> GreyBot's time is: Mon Feb 14 00:42:56 2011.
#42 [00:42] <oracular> Format: HH:MM:SS
#43 [00:42] <oracular> The time is 00:42:45 EST
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#45 [00:43] <xales> >.>
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#47 [00:43] <MadMax9949> i could use some help
#48 [00:43] <xales> with?
#49 [00:43] <MadMax9949> some one is getting into servers and logging people
#50 [00:44] <MadMax9949> i have changes my pass 10 times on the site and i am still being logged off
#51 [00:44] <xales> do you have online-mode=false in server.properties?
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#53 [00:45] <MadMax9949> no its set to a official online
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#55 [00:45] <MadMax9949> so people who have the crack cant get in
#56 [00:45] <DopeGhoti> ban their IP?
#57 [00:45] <MadMax9949> i cant get in long enough to do it
#58 [00:46] <nevercast> Hmm
#59 [00:46] <DopeGhoti> do it from the console
#60 [00:46] <nevercast> LOL
#61 [00:46] <xales> dumb bot
#62 [00:46] <MadMax9949> i dont have it
#63 [00:46] <MadMax9949> console is with the creater
#64 [00:46] <DopeGhoti> xales: that was one of the preixting ones; you sure you want that one gone, xales?
#65 [00:46] <xales> yup
#66 [00:47] <nevercast> Hmm
#67 [00:47] <nevercast> I'm considering an OS reinstall
#68 [00:47] <nevercast> Not that it needs it
#69 [00:47] <nevercast> and I'm going to have to download a gig+ of patches and security fixes
#70 [00:48] <DopeGhoti> there.
#71 [00:49] <Kealper> why does it prevent ban removal?
#72 [00:49] <xales> can you set us (GV and Kealper) as channel operators on the bot, so we can use it to manage the banlist?
#73 [00:49] <DopeGhoti> Kealper: I added to the bot all the bans that predated it so that it woudn't clear them
#74 [00:49] <DopeGhoti> and yes, yes I can
#75 [00:49] <xales> thanks
#76 [00:49] <DopeGhoti> (was, in fact, planning to)
#77 [00:49] <xales> lol, you can't get help on commands you don't have access to
#78 [00:49] <xales> thats a bit stupid
#79 [00:51] <nevercast> I wish I was Voice/hOp/Op
#80 [00:51] <nevercast> lol.
#81 [00:51] <nevercast> I spend so much time here I wanna feel special ^_^
#82 [00:53] <Kealper> right then
#83 [00:53] <lemon-rev> lol
#84 [00:54] <lemon-rev> didnt know feeling special felt soo good :P
#85 [00:55] <nevercast> lemon-rev, Lol I don't feel so special at the moment
#86 [00:55] <nevercast> Single on Valantines is failsauce.
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#88 [00:56] <nevercast> Hey skippydippy
#89 [00:56] <lemon-rev> oh go sit in a corner an and have fun stairing at it, im lonly and i dont give a crap anymore, i help out here though 5c in sometimes too, mostly i play mc now and have fun and listing to all my music i have on pc, be content with what you have
#90 [00:57] <nevercast> I appreciate your mini-rant.. But I fully respect what you're saying.
#91 [00:57] <nevercast> lemon-rev, What music you into?
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#94 [00:57] <lemon-rev> well really all types but mostly russian
#95 [00:58] <lemon-rev> lol :), even though i dont know wtf there saying it sounds way better than english singing :)
#96 [00:58] <nevercast> Haha so true
#97 [00:58] <nevercast> That's why the German Ramstien?? is common in English countries
#98 [00:58] <nevercast> Don't understand him but sounds good
#99 [00:58] <nevercast> Anyone that understands him generally dislikes the music a lot.
#100 [00:58] <lemon-rev> well ramstien if awsume too but i havent heard anymore from them as of yet
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#103 [00:59] <lemon-rev> hahahhaha, bah, i understand that there music rocks other from that, there lang can goto hell but sounds kick ass
#104 [00:59] <DopeGhoti> Rammstein would never get played on US radio of they knew what they were singing.
#105 [00:59] <lemon-rev> i suppose but because its not in english they can play it :P
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#107 [01:00] <nevercast> Exactly lol.
#108 [01:01] <nevercast> Right!!
#109 [01:01] <nevercast> Men.
#110 [01:01] <nevercast> I'm going out for a smoke
#111 [01:01] <nevercast> I'll be back in 5
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#113 [01:01] <wilma> I need some major help
#114 [01:01] <lemon-rev> with ?
#115 [01:01] <wilma> Im trying to host a multiplayer server
#116 [01:02] <xales> ??> wilma ask
#117 [01:02] <Bayseek> Hihi
#118 [01:02] <wilma> so me and a friend can play
#119 [01:02] <VoxelHead> wilma: (ask) Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help, and be as specific as possible.
#120 [01:02] <VoxelHead> wilma: (ask) If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#121 [01:02] <DopeGhoti> There are songs about brother-brother incest; about a man who kills his lover and stuffs her corpse into a piano, necrophilia, catholice priest/altar boy rape.. the list goes on
#122 [01:02] <wilma> i've tried everything
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#124 [01:02] <lemon-rev> ok what os and what are your friends reciving when they try and connect
#125 [01:02] <lemon-rev> or do they connect at all
#126 [01:02] <xales> wilma, what doesn't work?
#127 [01:02] <lemon-rev> and do you have a router
#128 [01:02] <wilma> They recieve connecting... then they time out
#129 [01:02] <wilma> even if the server isnt up
#130 [01:03] <lemon-rev> lol
#131 [01:03] <wilma> thats their only message
#132 [01:03] <wilma> i can log into the server, but they get that message
#133 [01:03] <wilma> Any clue what's wrong?
#134 [01:03] <xales> did you port forward?
#135 [01:03] <lemon-rev> whos the host , are you
#136 [01:03] <lemon-rev> ?
#137 [01:03] <wilma> I'm the host, i used hamachi, told me i ddnt need to port
#138 [01:04] <wilma> how would i port forward?
#139 [01:04] <lemon-rev> xales this is more your department i belive, i dont know crap about hamachi
#140 [01:04] <xales> you shouldn't use Hamachi...it's on the verge of not working anyway
#141 [01:04] <wilma> mmm
#142 [01:04] <xales> as far as how to port forward, you need to know what model of router you have
#143 [01:04] <wilma> I know that :D
#144 [01:05] <wilma> could you explain the steps i need to go through?
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#146 [01:05] <Arkose> http://portforward.com
#147 [01:05] <DopeGhoti> wilma: Hamachi is going to be increasingly broken over time; their address space that they're squatting on (5.0.0.0/8) has been allocated by IANA. In short, don't use Hamachi; the only winning move is not to play.
#148 [01:05] <wilma> yea i went to that site
#149 [01:06] <wilma> did everything
#150 [01:06] <wilma> and nothing hapens
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#152 [01:06] <Arkose> restarted the router?
#153 [01:06] <wilma> when i got it downloaded
#154 [01:06] <xales> what router do you have?
#155 [01:06] <wilma> did that
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#157 [01:06] <xales> if you downloaded something, you didn't do it right
#158 [01:06] <wilma> WRT160N vs 3.0.00 linksys
#159 [01:06] <xales> you need to log in to your router
#160 [01:06] <wilma> I got my router up, with all the info n stuff
#161 [01:07] <wilma> I'm sorry im not too computer smart
#162 [01:07] <wilma> i'm not sure what you mean by log into router
#163 [01:07] <xales> I assume you are using Windows?
#164 [01:07] <wilma> Yes
#165 [01:07] <wilma> windows 7
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#167 [01:08] <xales> Open the start menu, in the search box, type 'cmd' and press enter
#168 [01:08] <xales> in the window that comes up, type 'ipconfig' then enter
#169 [01:08] <xales> what does it say for 'IPv4 Address'
#170 [01:08] <wilma> 192.168.1.100
#171 [01:09] <xales> ok
#172 [01:09] <xales> open a web browser
#173 [01:09] <wilma> and 5.22.194.247
#174 [01:09] <xales> and navigate to the url http://192.168.1.100/
#175 [01:09] <wilma> theres 2
#176 [01:09] <xales> the username and password are both 'admin'
#177 [01:09] <nevercast> wilma, the 5.* is hamachi
#178 [01:09] <wilma> sorry how do i navigate to that?
#179 [01:09] <nevercast> or 5.22.* to be exact
#180 [01:10] <nevercast> wilma, in your browser.
#181 [01:10] <wilma> Yes
#182 [01:10] <xales> just open a browser
#183 [01:10] <xales> and type 192.168.1.100 into the URL bar
#184 [01:10] <wilma> it says unable to connect
#185 [01:10] <Bayseek> :>
#186 [01:10] <wilma> sorry thats why i got confused
#187 [01:10] <xales> err, sorry
#188 [01:10] <xales> 192.168.1.1
#189 [01:11] <Bayseek> xP
#190 [01:11] <xales> >.>
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#192 [01:11] <wilma> k
#193 [01:11] <wilma> got it
#194 [01:11] <xales> click 'applications and gaming' and 'single port forwarding'
#195 [01:11] <wilma> done
#196 [01:12] <xales> then, fill in the colums like this (make sure to use one that allows you to fill in each field)
#197 [01:12] <xales> Application Name, Minecraft - External Port, 25565 - Internal Port, 25565 - Protocol, Both - To IP Address, 192.168.1.100 - Enabled, check
#198 [01:13] <wilma> k
#199 [01:13] <xales> then click 'save settings' at the bottom of the screen
#200 [01:13] <wilma> done
#201 [01:14] <nevercast> lol.
#202 [01:14] <xales> now, give your friend the IP that you can get by saying "!myip" in here, assuming that you are using IRC from the same connection the server will be on, or by browsing to http://whatismyip.com/
#203 [01:14] <xales> also, make sure if you are running a firewall, that you shut it off
#204 [01:14] <wilma> !myip
#205 [01:15] <wilma> oh
#206 [01:15] <wilma> that could be my problem
#207 [01:15] <nevercast> Can I suggest, http://whatismyip.org/ in the future
#208 [01:15] <nevercast> It's raw text and jizz
#209 [01:15] <xales> if you hadn't done the port forwarding step, that IP wouldn't have worked
#210 [01:16] <wilma> that was port forwarding right?
#211 [01:16] <Bayseek> correct
#212 [01:16] <wilma> awesome trying it now
#213 [01:18] <Bayseek> If someone can help me with my problem in less than 12 min, it would be great xD
#214 [01:18] <lemon-rev> lol
#215 [01:18] <lemon-rev> wtf
#216 [01:18] <lemon-rev> go home
#217 [01:18] <lemon-rev> lol
#218 [01:18] <Bayseek> ^^
#219 [01:18] <Bayseek> No
#220 [01:19] <Bayseek> Go to work
#221 [01:19] <lemon-rev> ok, whats up
#222 [01:19] <Bayseek> :P
#223 [01:19] <xales> Bayseek: what's the issue?
#224 [01:19] <Bayseek> Multiplayer server, "Bad package ID : [enter random gernerated number]
#225 [01:19] <xales> do you have any mods on the server?
#226 [01:19] <Bayseek> I also try it with hamachi <.<
#227 [01:19] <Bayseek> No.
#228 [01:19] <Bayseek> Just Texturepacks
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#230 [01:19] <Bayseek> But
#231 [01:20] <Bayseek> Thats just the Client
#232 [01:20] <DopeGhoti> Bayseek: Don't use Hamachi, it's broken.
#233 [01:20] <xales> Bayseek: can you connect using 'localhost' as the IP?
#234 [01:20] <nevercast> DopeGhoti, How is it broken?
#235 [01:20] <Bayseek> Worked well with friend's server
#236 [01:20] <Bayseek> No
#237 [01:20] <Bayseek> Can't connect by myself
#238 [01:20] <Shadow386> xales will you enfore #minecraft please
#239 [01:20] <DopeGhoti> It squats on the 5.0.0.0/8 subnet, which was fine
#240 [01:20] <nevercast> Hamachi should be fine as long as the Hamachi Interface is set as your default bind interface in network config
#241 [01:20] <xales> Shadow386: ?
#242 [01:20] <DopeGhoti> but now those are actual IPs
#243 [01:20] <Shadow386> they are speaking of keygens and crap
#244 [01:21] <Shadow386> well were
#245 [01:21] <xales> Bayseek: You get that error using 'localhost' as the IP?
#246 [01:21] <Bayseek> Wait, I try it.
#247 [01:22] <Bayseek> Same here.
#248 [01:22] <Bayseek> "Internal exception: java.io.IOEException: Bad packet id 187"
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#251 [01:23] <Bayseek> Set the server ip in the config to "127.0.0.1" and try to connect on it
#252 [01:23] <nevercast> That's a bad ip
#253 [01:23] <nevercast> That's a loopback interface
#254 [01:23] <nevercast> You should use either nothing / 0.0.0.0
#255 [01:23] <nevercast> or an actual interface address
#256 [01:23] <nevercast> 5.* for hamachi
#257 [01:23] <DopeGhoti> nevercast: Not if you're trying to test the loopback connection.
#258 [01:24] <xales> Bayseek: update the server
#259 [01:24] <nevercast> DopeGhoti, Ahh okay
#260 [01:24] <xales> you are probably using an old version
#261 [01:24] <nevercast> DopeGhoti, That should still work with 0.0.0.0
#262 [01:24] <Bayseek> No, downloadet it yesterday from minecraft.net
#263 [01:24] <DopeGhoti> nevercast: "should". Never hurts to test explicit binding.
#264 [01:24] <Bayseek> So it should be the actual version
#265 [01:24] <xales> Bayseek: Can you connect to 'smp.shadow-craft.net'?
#266 [01:24] <xales> put that as the IP
#267 [01:25] <Bayseek> Yap.
#268 [01:25] <xales> do you happen to know if the NIC in your computer is an Atheros?
#269 [01:26] <Bayseek> Atheros?
#270 [01:26] <nevercast> Atheros wireless
#271 [01:26] <Bayseek> Mhm .. its an OnBoard thing .. wait a sec pls
#272 [01:27] <nevercast> xales, where you going with the atheros thing?
#273 [01:27] <Bayseek> Realtek
#274 [01:27] <Bayseek> ObBoard
#275 [01:27] <Bayseek> *On
#276 [01:27] <nevercast> Okay.
#277 [01:27] <nevercast> Common.
#278 [01:27] <Bayseek> Sure
#279 [01:28] <Bayseek> I CAN connect to other servers
#280 [01:28] <xales> some people have issues with the Realtek cards
#281 [01:28] <Bayseek> But not to my own
#282 [01:28] <nevercast> xales, really? eh
#283 [01:28] <xales> I don't remember what issues
#284 [01:28] <xales> Kealper
#285 [01:28] <Kealper> rawr?
#286 [01:28] <nevercast> Bayseek, What's the error you're getting when you try to connect to local host?
#287 [01:28] <xales> Realtek cards? could cause invalid packet id?
#288 [01:28] <Bayseek> "Internal exception: java.io.IOEException: Bad packet id 187"
#289 [01:29] <Bayseek> The ID changes
#290 [01:29] <nevercast> Only way that would happen is if data would be getting mashed
#291 [01:29] <xales> do you have a firewall running?
#292 [01:29] <Bayseek> Sure. But I tried it without
#293 [01:29] <Bayseek> Same thing
#294 [01:29] <Kealper> what nevercast said, mashed or clipped
#295 [01:29] <nevercast> ^
#296 [01:29] <wilma> Lol
#297 [01:30] <wilma> xales
#298 [01:30] <nevercast> It's not actually sending an invalid ID
#299 [01:30] <Kealper> i smell some potential buffer fail in the air
#300 [01:30] <nevercast> but something that isn't an id at all
#301 [01:30] <wilma> hes getting bad login error
#302 [01:30] <xales> wilma, what's his username?
#303 [01:30] <wilma> his minecraft name?
#304 [01:31] <nevercast> Kealper, What I don't get is how so many people have major problems with Minecraft.. it's such a trivial bit of software.
#305 [01:31] <Bayseek> two of my friends got the same problem .. so i don't tihnk its something with my hardware or something like that :P
#306 [01:31] <nevercast> Bayseek, All using the same server file?
#307 [01:31] <wilma> Flippy125, xales
#308 [01:31] <Kealper> nevercast: heavy packetspam, a lot of sub-par NICs just can't keep up
#309 [01:31] <nevercast> !ispaid Flippy125
#310 [01:31] <Bayseek> downloaded from minecraft.net
#311 [01:31] <Kealper> it's !paid
#312 [01:31] <nevercast> !paid Flippy125
#313 [01:32] <nevercast> Kealper, Yeah but if it's a local host connection
#314 [01:32] <Kealper> Bayseek: is it just connecting to one specific server that you all get it?
#315 [01:32] <nevercast> Kealper, The connection doesn't even go to the NIC
#316 [01:32] <xales> wilma: can he connect to other servers?
#317 [01:32] <xales> Kealper, connecting to his local server
#318 [01:32] <wilma> Idk
#319 [01:32] <Kealper> .-.
#320 [01:32] <nevercast> When you connect to a loopback interface.. The exchange is done in the TCP Stack.
#321 [01:32] <nevercast> Doesn't reach the card
#322 [01:32] <wilma> Am i doing something on my end wrong xales?
#323 [01:32] <Bayseek> No, we all try to connect on a local host
#324 [01:32] <Kealper> thank you for that ever so informative lesson
#325 [01:33] <nevercast> Bayseek, Who is hosting the server?
#326 [01:33] <Bayseek> Bad package Id, always
#327 [01:33] <nevercast> Kealper, Sarcasm man.. You could have left it as 'I know'
#328 [01:33] <Bayseek> See, I host it .. but I cannot connect. My friend host it, but he can't connect on his own server, too.
#329 [01:34] <Bayseek> Thats the main problem^^
#330 [01:34] <nevercast> Bayseek, Are you trying to host over the net or hamachi? just so I am clear
#331 [01:34] <Bayseek> Both.
#332 [01:34] <nevercast> Choose one for now.
#333 [01:34] <Bayseek> Hamachi
#334 [01:34] <nevercast> Bayseek, Which version of windows are you running?
#335 [01:34] <xales> wilma: see if he can connect to other servers
#336 [01:35] <Bayseek> Windows 7 Ultimate
#337 [01:35] <nevercast> I have a Win 7 Image here somewhere.. Let me boot it up
#338 [01:35] <wilma> I think i had my port wrong in my server thing
#339 [01:35] <wilma> I just checked it wasnt default
#340 [01:36] <nevercast> Okay I've booted Windows 7 Ultimate
#341 [01:36] <nevercast> this should help
#342 [01:36] <DopeGhoti> that was.. fast.
#343 [01:36] <nevercast> Bayseek, I'll download the server and let you know if I run into any problems.
#344 [01:36] <nevercast> DopeGhoti, Virtual Machines in a saved state == fast.
#345 [01:36] <Bayseek> But I was wondering what happend, because there's no "bad login" or just "connection refused" ..
#346 [01:36] <Bayseek> Okay.
#347 [01:37] <wilma> xales, nvm still bad login... where should i send him to log into another server?
#348 [01:37] <Bayseek> I got a new failure after I tried it again xD
#349 [01:37] <Bayseek> "Bad compressed data format" xP
#350 [01:37] <xales> wilma: smp.shadow-craft.net (that's the IP)
#351 [01:37] <nevercast> Bayseek, So you don't get Bad login or Connection Refused, right?
#352 [01:38] <Bayseek> No. Bad packet Id or even now "Bad compressed data format"
#353 [01:38] <Bayseek> And i downloaded it 6-7 times in the last 3 months
#354 [01:38] <nevercast> Bayseek, Using the .exe or Jar?
#355 [01:39] <Bayseek> .exe
#356 [01:39] <nevercast> Derp one sec
#357 [01:39] <nevercast> Downloading JRE into image
#358 [01:40] <nevercast> 30 seconds remaining...
#359 [01:40] <nevercast> Installing.. Lol I'll be there soon BarryCarlyon
#360 [01:40] <nevercast> Derp!! Bayseek
#361 [01:41] <wilma> xales, still giving him bad login
#362 [01:41] <nevercast> wilma, is him or the server running in offline mode?
#363 [01:41] <Bayseek> Whatever "derp" stands for :P
#364 [01:41] <xales> wilma: on the other server?
#365 [01:41] <wilma> Yes i told him to do smp.shadow-craft.net
#366 [01:42] <wilma> still gets bad login
#367 [01:42] <Kealper> Bayseek: it's something you say when you do something completely stupid
#368 [01:42] <wilma> i went on his account, and it worked for me
#369 [01:42] <wilma> but not working for him
#370 [01:42] <xales> wilma: have him close Minecraft and reopen it
#371 [01:42] <Bayseek> Ah, okey.
#372 [01:43] <wilma> it worked
#373 [01:43] <wilma> ok i'll send him to mine and tell ya how it goes
#374 [01:43] <Bayseek> As I joined you talked about Rammstein? With .. lemon-rev?
#375 [01:43] <nevercast> Bayseek, Right, what do you have for serverip=
#376 [01:44] <nevercast> in your server.properties
#377 [01:44] <Bayseek> At this time
#378 [01:44] <Bayseek> 127.0.0.1
#379 [01:44] <Bayseek> localhost
#380 [01:44] <Bayseek> Because I tried to connect
#381 [01:44] <wilma> THANKS XALES
#382 [01:44] <wilma> It worked!!!
#383 [01:44] <Bayseek> Concrats wilma
#384 [01:44] <nevercast> Bayseek, Don't use 127.0.0.1 or localhost
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#386 [01:45] <nevercast> blank it out.
#387 [01:45] <nevercast> remove the entry
#388 [01:45] <wilma> Thanks so much everyone
#389 [01:45] <Bayseek> Kay, its empty now
#390 [01:45] <wilma> IS there anything i can do to repay you?
#391 [01:45] <nevercast> port is ?
#392 [01:45] <Bayseek> standartz
#393 [01:45] <Bayseek> 25565
#394 [01:45] <nevercast> wilma, Lol.. Get him Cake.
#395 [01:45] <arensirb> hah
#396 [01:46] <wilma> Man i've been screwing around with this thing for 10 hours now
#397 [01:46] <wilma> finally came here in search for help and it worked!!
#398 [01:46] <arensirb> Im watching java tutorials.. Its kinda boring (If statement)
#399 [01:46] <nevercast> Bayseek, Okay.. restart your server
#400 [01:46] <wilma> You have no idea how happy i am!
#401 [01:46] <nevercast> Bayseek, Make sure your properties file is saved
#402 [01:46] <Bayseek> nevercast, it is
#403 [01:46] <nevercast> Bayseek, How are you currently connecting the computer to the internet?
#404 [01:46] <nevercast> Ethernet or Wireless?
#405 [01:47] <Bayseek> Ethernet
#406 [01:47] <nevercast> Okay, Do you know the IP of the Ethernet connection?
#407 [01:47] <xales> arensirb: "watching" <-- there is the problem
#408 [01:47] <arensirb> xales: haha
#409 [01:47] <xales> videos are a terrible way (the worst) to learn how to program
#410 [01:47] <xales> buy a book or read online
#411 [01:47] <arensirb> Book wont work
#412 [01:47] <arensirb> trust me, tried that before
#413 [01:47] <nevercast> Or better yet, do a tutorial and actually write code as you read it
#414 [01:47] <Bayseek> Erm .. wait ..
#415 [01:47] <arensirb> nevercast: I will, I just know what I'm watching
#416 [01:48] <arensirb> I already know this
#417 [01:48] <Bayseek> You mean the "Router IP" or what?
#418 [01:48] <nevercast> Bayseek, Interface properties under Network Connections should tell you
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#420 [01:48] <nevercast> No no your computers ip
#421 [01:48] <arensirb> cmd->ipconfig
#422 [01:48] <Bayseek> 192.168.0.100
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#424 [01:49] <nevercast> interesting subnet
#425 [01:49] <Bayseek> Should I try to connect?
#426 [01:49] <nevercast> okay
#427 [01:49] <nevercast> Firstly
#428 [01:49] <arensirb> I feel sad for people that use NAT
#429 [01:49] <nevercast> go into command prompt
#430 [01:49] <nevercast> That's CMD from the run dialog
#431 [01:49] <arensirb> s/that use/that has to use/
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#433 [01:49] <Bayseek> okay
#434 [01:49] <nevercast> Bayseek, type in the following
#435 [01:49] <nevercast> netstat /a
#436 [01:50] <nevercast> and press enter.
#437 [01:50] <fogWork> >_O
#438 [01:50] <Bayseek> Done
#439 [01:50] <nevercast> Do you see a 0.0.0.0:25565 Listening
#440 [01:50] <nevercast> ?
#441 [01:50] <fogWork> Damn crap, get to work... log on teamviewer, get on home machine, teamviewer crashes
#442 [01:50] <arensirb> haha
#443 [01:50] <fogWork> No fun for the rest of the day
#444 [01:50] <nevercast> fogWork, Haha teamviewer is hopeless!
#445 [01:50] <Bayseek> Sure, I do.
#446 [01:50] <arensirb> fogWork: Tried RDP?
#447 [01:50] <xales> or VNC+SSH
#448 [01:51] <nevercast> arensirb, RDP requires port forwarding
#449 [01:51] <arensirb> And?
#450 [01:51] <nevercast> Bayseek, Okay go into Minecraft
#451 [01:51] <nevercast> Bayseek, Multiplayer
#452 [01:51] <fogWork> Got VNC on another home machine, but they all require port forwarding
#453 [01:51] <nevercast> Bayseek, Put in, 192.168.0.100
#454 [01:51] <fogWork> Can't be assed about it, teamviewer was a nice choise
#455 [01:51] <arensirb> <nevercast> arensirb, RDP requires port forwarding
#456 [01:51] <nevercast> for the server
#457 [01:51] <arensirb> That is only semi-true
#458 [01:51] <arensirb> I have static external IP on my machine here
#459 [01:51] <nevercast> most people don't, arensirb
#460 [01:51] <xales> fogWork: I think Teamviewer just uses UPnP
#461 [01:51] <arensirb> (Got a /28 net at home)
#462 [01:51] <Bayseek> Okay, we got a new failure xD
#463 [01:52] <nevercast> Teamviewer doesn't port forward at all
#464 [01:52] <Bayseek> malformed input around byte 0 :P
#465 [01:52] <fogWork> xales: unsure about that, I turned that function off in my router
#466 [01:52] <arensirb> Is it like logmein?
#467 [01:52] <xales> fogWork: oh, maybe not then
#468 [01:52] <nevercast> arensirb, yes
#469 [01:52] <nevercast> Teamviewer uses the Teamviewer servers
#470 [01:52] <arensirb> 0752 am here :|
#471 [01:52] <Bayseek> nevercast, on my second try minecraft crashed :x
#472 [01:52] <xales> Bayseek: what firewall do you have running? Anything other than Windows Firewall?
#473 [01:52] <arensirb> nevercast: So it routes you through third party server
#474 [01:52] <nevercast> Bayseek, Have you considered reinstalling the client?
#475 [01:52] <nevercast> arensirb, correct
#476 [01:53] <Bayseek> xales, ZoneAlarm
#477 [01:53] <arensirb> Well I guess theres pro's and con's with that
#478 [01:53] <Bayseek> nevercast, could try it ..
#479 [01:53] <xales> Bayseek, there is the problem
#480 [01:53] <xales> turn it off
#481 [01:53] <nevercast> arensirb, Con is lag, pro is log-in anywhere
#482 [01:53] <fogWork> Teamviewer might be upset that I don't have naked girls on my desktop, and threw me out :(
#483 [01:53] <arensirb> Omg, do people use ZoneAlarm?
#484 [01:53] <nevercast> ^
#485 [01:53] <nevercast> ikr
#486 [01:53] <Kealper> sadly
#487 [01:53] <arensirb> From what I remember it has NO customization _AT ALL_
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#489 [01:54] <arensirb> I only have win7 firewall, and I believe its turned off :P
#490 [01:54] <nevercast> iptables ftw :)
#491 [01:54] <Bayseek2> re -.-
#492 [01:54] <nevercast> Bayseek, lol what?
#493 [01:54] <Bayseek2> Erm okay .. after deactivating zonealarm it worked .. <.<
#494 [01:54] <nevercast> HAHA
#495 [01:54] <nevercast> ZoneAlarm can SMD
#496 [01:54] <arensirb> HAHA
#497 [01:54] <arensirb> Bayseek: Perm fix: Uninstall ZoneAlarm
#498 [01:55] <Bayseek2> But I set MC in the properties to "client and server" o.O
#499 [01:55] <nevercast> Bayseek2, Your friends using ZoneAlarm too?
#500 [01:55] <Bayseek2> Dunno
#501 [01:55] <nevercast> Bayseek2, Doesn't matter what properties you use.. ZoneAlarm is a bitch for heavy network traffic.. or any traffic
#502 [01:55] <nevercast> I used it once
#503 [01:55] <nevercast> it was removed within that half hour
#504 [01:55] <Bayseek2> Mhm
#505 [01:55] <arensirb> Ive used the norton one
#506 [01:55] <xales> ZoneAlarm is just plain bad
#507 [01:55] <arensirb> That worked kinda OK
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#509 [01:56] <nevercast> I have Nortan Internet Security 2010
#510 [01:56] <nevercast> It's nice
#511 [01:56] <xales> ZonaAlarm, Comodo, McAfee, Norton (especially Norton) are all bad
#512 [01:56] <arensirb> iptables is OK for debian
#513 [01:56] <DopeGhoti> ZoneAlarm is also known to cause problems with Minecraft speficically
#514 [01:56] <Bayseek2> And to get my friends connect to the server .. I write in the server properties behind "serverip=" .. the IP I actually got?
#515 [01:56] <xales> iptables is excellent
#516 [01:56] <arensirb> xales: Nothing bad with Norton
#517 [01:56] <nevercast> Bayseek2, No no
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#519 [01:56] <nevercast> Bayseek2, You leave it blank
#520 [01:56] <xales> Bayseek: no, put NOTHING say server-ip=
#521 [01:56] <arensirb> xales: IF running linux, yes
#522 [01:56] <xales> as*
#523 [01:56] <xales> it should literally just say
#524 [01:56] <xales> server-ip=
#525 [01:56] <xales> arensirb: there is a lot bad with Norton
#526 [01:56] <xXR34C71V3Xx> how do i log in so i can talk?
#527 [01:57] <arensirb> xales: pfft
#528 [01:57] <xales> for one, is slows down the computer significantly
#529 [01:57] <arensirb> :P
#530 [01:57] <arensirb> now THATS bullshit
#531 [01:57] <xXR34C71V3Xx> i know
#532 [01:57] <arensirb> Ive allways used Norton AV
#533 [01:57] <nevercast> xXR34C71V3Xx, Your name is SO annoying :P please change it.
#534 [01:57] <xales> ??> xXR34C71V3Xx irc
#535 [01:57] <DopeGhoti> ??> xXR34C71V3Xx IRC
#536 [01:57] <VoxelHead> xXR34C71V3Xx: (irc) For IRC help, you should ask in the channel #help - you can get there using the command "/join #help"
#537 [01:57] <VoxelHead> xXR34C71V3Xx: (irc) If you can't talk in #minecraft ("Cannot send to channel") you must register your IRC nickname, using the command "/msg NickServ REGISTER password email". Remember to use a valid email. Go to #help if you need further assistance with this
#538 [01:57] <VoxelHead> xXR34C71V3Xx: (irc) For IRC help, you should ask in the channel #help - you can get there using the command "/join #help"
#539 [01:57] <VoxelHead> xXR34C71V3Xx: (irc) If you can't talk in #minecraft ("Cannot send to channel") you must register your IRC nickname, using the command "/msg NickServ REGISTER password email". Remember to use a valid email. Go to #help if you need further assistance with this
#540 [01:57] <DopeGhoti> heh.
#541 [01:57] <xales> DopeGhoti: fail
#542 [01:57] <Bayseek2> nevercast, and which Ip my friends should try to connect?^^
#543 [01:57] <nevercast> Bayseek2, Either via hamachi
#544 [01:57] <Bayseek2> Hamachi ip? xP
#545 [01:57] <xales> Bayseek: say "!myip" in here
#546 [01:57] <Bayseek2> Okay
#547 [01:57] <xales> if you portforwarded
#548 [01:57] <xales> otherwise, hamachi IP
#549 [01:57] <Bayseek2> I do
#550 [01:57] <DopeGhoti> nevercast: stop recommending Hamachi
#551 [01:57] <nevercast> Bayseek2, of if you have portfowarded,, what you get at whatismyip.org
#552 [01:58] <xXR34C71V3Xx> ive already registered though
#553 [01:58] <xales> (they must be on your Hamachi network)
#554 [01:58] <nevercast> DopeGhoti, Why?
#555 [01:58] <DopeGhoti> nevercast: seriously. Just stop.
#556 [01:58] <arensirb> DopeGhoti: Whats wrong with hamachi?
#557 [01:58] <Bayseek2> wieistmeineip.de .. for german :P
#558 [01:58] <arensirb> in your opinion
#559 [01:58] <nevercast> DopeGhoti, I wasn't recommending it.. I just know he wanted to use it
#560 [01:58] <xXR34C71V3Xx> i dont remeber the command to sign in so i can talk
#561 [01:58] <nevercast> xXR34C71V3Xx, /nickserv help
#562 [01:58] <DopeGhoti> it's broken, and increasingly so, and it's squatting in IP address space that IANA has allocated.
#563 [01:58] <nevercast> xXR34C71V3Xx, while you're at it
#564 [01:58] <nevercast> xXR34C71V3Xx, /nick thats_better
#565 [01:58] <arensirb> DopeGhoti: Doesnt it use local addresses?
#566 [01:58] <xales> nevercast: he can't exactly identify with a not-registered nick
#567 [01:58] <nevercast> DopeGhoti, What does it matter, It's on the Hamachi Interface
#568 [01:59] <xXR34C71V3Xx> oohhh im not falling for that
#569 [01:59] <xXR34C71V3Xx> you sly dog
#570 [01:59] <DopeGhoti> arensirb: no, it squats on 5.0.0.0/8 which was recently allocated by IANA
#571 [01:59] <xXR34C71V3Xx> :)
#572 [01:59] <arensirb> so its a routable block?
#573 [01:59] <nevercast> DopeGhoti, In the Hamachi network?
#574 [01:59] <nevercast> DopeGhoti, Or on WAN?
#575 [01:59] <xales> arensirb: yes, it is a routable and now allocated block
#576 [01:59] <arensirb> that sucks
#577 [01:59] <DopeGhoti> nevercast: Both, which is the problem.
#578 [01:59] <nevercast> DopeGhoti, I see no problem
#579 [01:59] <Bayseek> nevercast, thanks alot .. how could I know that my beloved ZoneAlarm was the mainproblem? ;_;
#580 [02:00] <arensirb> nevercast: You dont?
#581 [02:00] <nevercast> arensirb, Nope
#582 [02:00] <nevercast> Two different interfaces
#583 [02:00] <arensirb> nevercast: You rent a server with IP 5.5.5.5
#584 [02:00] <nevercast> one of them being a VPN
#585 [02:00] <arensirb> On the internet
#586 [02:00] <nevercast> Which is a one in how many million chance?
#587 [02:00] <arensirb> All the people using hamachi routes 5.0.0.0 to hamachi network
#588 [02:00] <nevercast> And how much percent use hamachi?
#589 [02:00] <DopeGhoti> the problem is that 5.0.0.0/8 is, was, and never has been private address space
#590 [02:00] <arensirb> nevercast: The pont was
#591 [02:00] <arensirb> What he said..
#592 [02:00] <nevercast> yeah I get that
#593 [02:00] <DopeGhoti> Hamachi would be _great_ if they used 10.0.0.0/8
#594 [02:00] <nevercast> I see how it _COULD_ be a problem
#595 [02:00] <DopeGhoti> but they don't.
#596 [02:01] <arensirb> I dont know, does hamachi route the entire /8 to them?
#597 [02:01] <nevercast> arensirb, I didn't even know the subnet was that big
#598 [02:01] <nevercast> I thought it was /16
#599 [02:01] <nevercast> 5.22
#600 [02:01] <Bayseek> Thanks again, have to go to work. Bye!
#601 [02:01] <DopeGhoti> what hamachi really should do, and should have done, is just use IPv6
#602 [02:01] <nevercast> Bai Bayseek
#603 [02:02] <nevercast> IPv6 makes me cringe
#604 [02:02] <xales> what's wrong with it?
#605 [02:02] <arensirb> Hamachi users will not be able to connect to any Internet IP addresses within the range as long as the Hamachi client is running.
#606 [02:02] <nevercast> It's foreign to me
#607 [02:02] <arensirb> I don t like IPV6 either
#608 [02:02] <nevercast> Yes I know
#609 [02:02] <nevercast> But Hamachi users are a small amount
#610 [02:03] <arensirb> IPV4V2
#611 [02:03] <xales> IPv6 is really easy when you play with it for a short while
#612 [02:03] <nevercast> and I don't know of any servers using the 5.0.0.0/8 range
#613 [02:03] <nevercast> So it's like, a very small probablity of a problem
#614 [02:03] <arensirb> 4.4.4.4 8.8.8.8 :D:D
#615 [02:03] <nevercast> and if it does occur
#616 [02:03] <xales> nevercast, it only just got allocated. It will start being a problem.
#617 [02:03] <nevercast> it wont happen in minecraft.
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#619 [02:03] <arensirb> Loveable servers
#620 [02:03] <nevercast> It wont start being a problem
#621 [02:03] <nevercast> because IP addresses are exausted for IPv4
#622 [02:03] <nevercast> we are moving to IPv6
#623 [02:03] <xales> They aren't "exhausted"
#624 [02:04] <xales> they are allocated
#625 [02:04] <xales> not in use
#626 [02:04] <nevercast> *sigh*
#627 [02:04] <arensirb> well, considering uni's have a-nets they dont even use
#628 [02:04] <arensirb> thats MAJOR fubar
#629 [02:04] <arensirb> RIPE needs to be able to take IP-s back..
#630 [02:04] <nevercast> xales, skip the technacality.. the fact is.. IPv6 is on it's way very shortly
#631 [02:04] <DopeGhoti> 'RIPE'?
#632 [02:04] <arensirb> err
#633 [02:04] <arensirb> nvm
#634 [02:04] <DopeGhoti> IANA?
#635 [02:04] <arensirb> Yeah
#636 [02:04] <xales> RIPE is a RiR
#637 [02:04] <nevercast> I just don't see that this would cause much a problem for many people
#638 [02:04] <xales> s/i/I/
#639 [02:04] <nevercast> It's insignificant
#640 [02:05] <arensirb> Anyways, my ISP has no current plans to go over to ipv6 afaik
#641 [02:05] <DopeGhoti> If that's true, your ISP is pretty screwed.
#642 [02:05] <nevercast> Yeah I don't know if my router supports
#643 [02:05] <arensirb> they dont need it :)
#644 [02:05] <arensirb> yet
#645 [02:05] <arensirb> afaik
#646 [02:05] <arensirb> And IDC, I dont need it either
#647 [02:05] <nevercast> They will if you want to connect to an IPv6 server
#648 [02:05] <DopeGhoti> True fact: Comcast is so bit internally that they have exhausted the 10.0.0.0/8 space entirely on their LAN
#649 [02:05] <nevercast> They can't route v4 to v6
#650 [02:05] <nevercast> afaik
#651 [02:06] <xales> nevercast, what?
#652 [02:06] <Kealper> DopeGhoti: Comcast also does not provide any v6 addresses to their customers....so...
#653 [02:06] <xales> v6 includes v4 addresses
#654 [02:06] <nevercast> What?
#655 [02:06] <nevercast> I thought the two protocols were incompatible
#656 [02:07] <DopeGhoti> indeed, there's a very speficic tiny chunk of IP6 which is for IP4 routing
#657 [02:07] * Kealper wants a cool v6 address :<
#657 [02:07] <arensirb> I gotta change my field of work
#658 [02:07] <xales> nevercast: as in
#659 [02:07] <xales> ::ffff:192.0.2.128
#660 [02:07] <nevercast> How long is it going to take for people to route the IP6 to IP4
#661 [02:07] <arensirb> I dont wanna work with ipv6
#662 [02:07] <nevercast> arensirb, nor do I mate
#663 [02:07] <arensirb> (it tech last 3 years)
#664 [02:08] <arensirb> Its gonna be a pain to remember
#665 [02:08] <arensirb> Its gonna boost DNS usage by xxxxxx% i recon
#666 [02:08] <arensirb> Noone is gonna go around remembering the ipv6 ip
#667 [02:08] <nevercast> Yeah my router doesn't support IPv6 it seems
#668 [02:08] <nevercast> Firmware update probably required
#669 [02:08] <arensirb> nevercast: I bet 99% of all home routers will need to be changed
#670 [02:08] <Kealper> mine does :o
#671 [02:08] <arensirb> ok, 98%
#672 [02:08] <nevercast> lol.
#673 [02:09] <Kealper> all my lan stuff is done with the ipv6 addys
#674 [02:09] <nevercast> Kealper's router is 1% of all routers?
#675 [02:09] <arensirb> yes :D
#676 [02:09] <Kealper> :P
#677 [02:09] <nevercast> haha :L
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#679 [02:09] <arensirb> Because there prolly are more Kealpers out there
#680 [02:09] <nevercast> ahh fair enough
#681 [02:09] <Kealper> dd-wrt
#682 [02:09] <aetherian> o.o
#683 [02:09] <arensirb> ouch
#684 [02:09] <arensirb> Oh
#685 [02:09] <arensirb> DD-WRT works
#686 [02:09] <aetherian> I think I missed something
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#688 [02:09] <arensirb> I thought d-link
#689 [02:09] <arensirb> (sorry)
#690 [02:09] <Kealper> lol
#691 [02:09] <nevercast> I have 3 d-link routers and a huiwai one
#692 [02:10] <Kealper> bah, it's a good ol' WRT-54G :P
#693 [02:10] <arensirb> If that aint rude i dont know what is
#694 [02:10] <arensirb> When is this dude gonna get to the dang stuff i wanna know
#695 [02:10] <arensirb> Can anyone of you easily describe the public _static_ ?
#696 [02:10] <arensirb> Public is public, private is inside class only, i understand that
#697 [02:11] <arensirb> but the static part
#698 [02:11] <xales> static address = ISP assigns you the same address
#699 [02:11] <arensirb> doh
#700 [02:11] <arensirb> java
#701 [02:11] <arensirb> :)
#702 [02:12] <arensirb> xales: I kinda know that, tech last 3 years
#703 [02:12] <arensirb> and i have a /28 net at home on my gig connection
#704 [02:12] <xales> then what was the question?
#705 [02:12] <nevercast> Woo
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#707 [02:12] <nevercast> I did an ipv6 test
#708 [02:12] <nevercast> I am 10/10 ready for ip4
#709 [02:12] <nevercast> and 0/10 ready for ip6
#710 [02:12] <nevercast> lawl
#711 [02:12] <arensirb> public static void mymethod() {
#712 [02:13] <arensirb> the static part
#713 [02:13] <nevercast> arensirb, Create an instance :D
#714 [02:13] <nevercast> arensirb, what of it?
#715 [02:13] <xales> oh
#716 [02:13] <xales> java
#717 [02:13] <arensirb> What does it do/mean?
#718 [02:13] <xales> a static method is class-specific
#719 [02:13] <xales> not instance-specific
#720 [02:13] <nevercast> static means that you can access the method without an instance
#721 [02:13] <xales> ^
#722 [02:13] <nevercast> Object.Method()
#723 [02:13] <xales> no, Class.Method()
#724 [02:13] <nevercast> ^ class reference, is static
#725 [02:13] <arensirb> So an instance is like mc = new mymethod()( ?
#726 [02:13] <nevercast> new Object().Method()
#727 [02:13] <arensirb> -(
#728 [02:13] <nevercast> ^ instance
#729 [02:13] <xales> arensirb: no
#730 [02:14] <nevercast> Instance is like
#731 [02:14] <nevercast> mc = new MCClass();
#732 [02:14] <xales> Object blah = new Object();
#733 [02:14] <Kealper> <3 static declarations in AutoIt O.o
#734 [02:14] <nevercast> mc.NonStaticMethod();
#735 [02:14] <xales> blah is an instance
#736 [02:14] <nevercast> MCClass.StaticMethod();
#737 [02:14] <xales> you call a static method as Object.staticmethod();
#738 [02:14] <arensirb> So if my class is called BeeBee
#739 [02:14] <xales> it isn't specific to one instance
#740 [02:14] <arensirb> I would call a new BeeBee() ?
#741 [02:14] <nevercast> yes
#742 [02:14] <nevercast> that creates an instance
#743 [02:14] <nevercast> BeeBee bee = new BeeBee();
#744 [02:15] <nevercast> bee.instanceMethod();
#745 [02:15] <Kealper> man, #coders is such an awesome channel
#746 [02:15] <nevercast> or!! BeeBee.staticMethod();
#747 [02:15] <nevercast> Kealper, subtle.. nice ;)
#748 [02:15] <Kealper> everyone should check it out some time
#749 [02:15] <arensirb> Are there any written/un.. of when you use instance vs the other type?
#750 [02:15] <nevercast> arensirb, depends on what you need it for
#751 [02:15] <nevercast> arensirb, Kealper is right.. check out coders.
#752 [02:15] <arensirb> The EsperNet coders live here. Also, dragons. Mostly dragons.
#753 [02:16] <arensirb> :|
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#755 [02:16] <Kealper> i actually meant that you all should move this discussion to that channel :/
#756 [02:16] <arensirb> I dont wanna talk to dragons
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#758 [02:16] <nevercast> lol.
#759 [02:16] <arensirb> They are scary
#760 [02:16] <nevercast> /join #staticstuff
#761 [02:16] <arensirb> HAHA
#762 [02:16] <arensirb> You guys are mean!
#763 [02:16] <nevercast> no I'm serious
#764 [02:16] <nevercast> JOIN IT!!
#765 [02:16] <arensirb> NO
#766 [02:16] <arensirb> : p
#767 [02:17] <nevercast> JOIN IT damn it
#768 [02:17] <arensirb> Nevah!
#769 [02:17] <arensirb> Make me <3 (A)
#770 [02:17] <Kyrzon> Whoa
#771 [02:17] <Kyrzon> He's got punch n pie in there.
#772 [02:17] <arensirb> Haha Kyrzon
#773 [02:17] <arensirb> nevercast: I said make me, not invite me
#774 [02:18] <nevercast> hmm
#775 [02:18] <nevercast> /ignore arensirb!*
#776 [02:18] <arensirb> /nick somethingelse
#777 [02:18] <nevercast> /ignore *!*@*
#778 [02:18] <arensirb> DO IT
#779 [02:18] <arensirb> I DARE YA
#780 [02:18] <nevercast> Haha
#781 [02:18] <nevercast> Ignore myself?
#782 [02:19] <arensirb> :D
#783 [02:19] <nevercast> fuck no!
#784 [02:19] <nevercast> have to make an exception ^_^
#785 [02:20] <fogWork> Rawr, coffee.
#786 [02:20] <fogWork> Paperwork, rawr!
#787 [02:21] <nevercast> Coffee
#788 [02:21] <nevercast> Craving :(
#789 [02:21] * fogWork puts some in an envelope and mails it off to nevercast
#789 [02:21] <arensirb> o.O
#790 [02:21] <nevercast> Thanks fogWork :)
#791 [02:21] <arensirb> He used "tuna tunaObject = new tuna();
#792 [02:21] <fogWork> ;)
#793 [02:22] <nevercast> arensirb, What's wrong with that?
#794 [02:22] <arensirb> I didnt understand it
#795 [02:22] <nevercast> apart from the non conventional class names?
#796 [02:22] <nevercast> tuna is a class
#797 [02:22] <arensirb> That I know
#798 [02:22] <nevercast> tunaObject is an instance of tuna
#799 [02:22] <arensirb> so <class> <instancename> = <class>();
#800 [02:22] <DopeGhoti> depends on the language.
#801 [02:23] <xales> not that simple...but yes
#802 [02:23] <xales> <type> <name> = <value>
#803 [02:23] <xales> >.>
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#805 [02:23] <arensirb> But how is tuna a type?
#806 [02:23] <xales> variable assignment
#807 [02:23] <xales> learn it.
#808 [02:23] * DopeGhoti counts on Count to count on #MineCraftHelp for assistance.
#808 [02:23] <xales> see, this is why we read, and not watch videos, arensirb
#809 [02:23] <arensirb> double is a type
#810 [02:23] <nevercast> Lol
#811 [02:23] <nevercast> correct
#812 [02:23] <Kealper> wait
#813 [02:23] <nevercast> as is tuna
#814 [02:23] <arensirb> But how is tuna a type?
#815 [02:24] <arensirb> Is banana a type?
#816 [02:24] <nevercast> because he defined it
#817 [02:24] <Kealper> he was using youtube tutorials on NBT stuff?
#818 [02:24] <DopeGhoti> It was defined inan #include?
#819 [02:24] <nevercast> if you define it
#820 [02:24] <nevercast> DopeGhoti, It's java
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#822 [02:24] <nevercast> arensirb, Seriously
#823 [02:24] <nevercast> arensirb, Join the channel I said
#824 [02:24] <arensirb> whaaat?
#825 [02:24] <mib_5916ca> uhh
#826 [02:24] <nevercast> mib_5916ca, Hey.
#827 [02:24] <mib_5916ca> anyone wanna help me?
#828 [02:24] <nevercast> mib_5916ca, What's the problem?>
#829 [02:24] <DopeGhoti> ?? ask
#830 [02:24] <nevercast> -.-" don't ask to ask
#831 [02:24] <mib_5916ca> okay
#832 [02:24] <VoxelHead> ask: Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help, and be as specific as possible.
#833 [02:24] <nevercast> just ask
#834 [02:24] <VoxelHead> ask: If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#835 [02:24] <mib_5916ca> so when i start minecraft
#836 [02:24] <mib_5916ca> i click
#837 [02:25] <mib_5916ca> play offline
#838 [02:25] <nevercast> okay.
#839 [02:25] <mib_5916ca> and it just goes black
#840 [02:25] <mib_5916ca> and then a notepad is made
#841 [02:25] <DopeGhoti> Are you running Windows?
#842 [02:25] <mib_5916ca> yes
#843 [02:25] <DopeGhoti> ?? reinst/win
#844 [02:25] <mib_5916ca> XP
#845 [02:25] <VoxelHead> reinst/win: You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#846 [02:25] <VoxelHead> reinst/win: To do so, press Win+R, type in %AppData%, and press Enter. In the window that appears, open the .minecraft directory, and delete the bin directory that you see therein. Then, try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
#847 [02:25] <nevercast> mib_5916ca, Have you paid for the game?
#848 [02:25] <Kealper> mib_5916ca: and why do you click play offline? have you ever played online before?
#849 [02:25] <mib_5916ca> yes
#850 [02:25] <mib_5916ca> I like playing offline though
#851 [02:25] <mib_5916ca> my friends play offline
#852 [02:25] <Kealper> i'll be upfront with this
#853 [02:25] <Kealper> what is your username that you used to buy minecraft with
#854 [02:26] <mib_5916ca> Speedolphins
#855 [02:26] <mib_5916ca> o_o
#856 [02:26] <Kealper> !paid Speedolphins
#857 [02:26] <Kealper> right then
#858 [02:26] <Kealper> carry on
#859 [02:26] <nevercast> :)
#860 [02:26] <nevercast> Common issue lol.
#861 [02:26] <mib_5916ca> okay so
#862 [02:26] <mib_5916ca> ._.
#863 [02:26] <mib_5916ca> turns black
#864 [02:26] <nevercast> mib_5916ca, Always sign in if you have an internet connection to do so
#865 [02:26] <nevercast> it ensures files are up to date and such
#866 [02:26] <mib_5916ca> i have an internet connection
#867 [02:26] <DopeGhoti> again..
#868 [02:26] <DopeGhoti> ??> mib_5916ca reinst/win
#869 [02:26] <VoxelHead> mib_5916ca: (reinst/win) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#870 [02:26] <VoxelHead> mib_5916ca: (reinst/win) To do so, press Win+R, type in %AppData%, and press Enter. In the window that appears, open the .minecraft directory, and delete the bin directory that you see therein. Then, try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
#871 [02:27] <mib_5916ca> win?
#872 [02:27] <mib_5916ca> how do I type win+r
#873 [02:27] <mib_5916ca> o_o
#874 [02:27] <nevercast> Hold windows key
#875 [02:27] <nevercast> press R
#876 [02:27] <DopeGhoti> hold don the windows ket between ctrl and alt, and press 'r'.
#877 [02:27] <nevercast> ^
#878 [02:27] <fogWork> DopeGhoti: please don't touch yourself while trying to type ;P
#879 [02:28] <mib_5916ca> lol
#880 [02:28] <xales> mib_5916ca: do you mind using a real name? you can use the command "/nick newname" to change it
#881 [02:28] <DopeGhoti> ??+ winkey|Hold down the Windows key (between Control and Alt, usually to the left of the space bar), and then press the other specified key. Think of it as typing a capital letter, but using that key instead of Shift.;;Meanwhile, send an angry letter to keyboard manufacturers for not calling it Meta, Super, or something else more reasonabole.
#882 [02:29] <DopeGhoti> fogWork: ..what?
#883 [02:29] <fogWork> ... nothing :|
#884 [02:29] <speedolphins> okay
#885 [02:29] <speedolphins> :p
#886 [02:29] <nevercast> haha
#887 [02:29] <nevercast> /nick //quit ftw
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#889 [02:30] <Kealper> http://i.imgur.com/GNAT0
#890 [02:30] <mib_td2aze> Baack
#891 [02:30] <mib_td2aze> :P
#892 [02:30] <mib_td2aze> o_o
#893 [02:30] <mib_td2aze> what was the nickname command again?
#894 [02:30] <xales> /nick
#895 [02:30] <nevercast> /nick <name>
#896 [02:30] <xales> ._.
#897 [02:30] <Kealper> /nick nicname
#898 [02:30] <nevercast> lol.
#899 [02:30] <nevercast> shotgun answer
#900 [02:30] <speedolphins> okay
#901 [02:30] <speedolphins> thanks
#902 [02:30] <speedolphins> :P
#903 [02:31] <speedolphins> still
#904 [02:31] <speedolphins> has an error
#905 [02:31] <xales> Did you delete the 'bin' folder?
#906 [02:31] <speedolphins> # # An unexpected error has been detected by HotSpot Virtual Machine: # # EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION (0xc0000005) at pc=0x00a8d6ff, pid=920, tid=5120 # # Java VM: Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (1.5.0_04-b05 mixed mode) # Problematic frame: # j org.lwjgl.opengl.GL11.glGetString(I)Ljava/lang/String;+5 # --------------- T H R E A D --------------- Current thr
#907 [02:31] <Kealper> press enter less :/
#908 [02:31] <speedolphins> yes
#909 [02:31] <fogWork> Oh Kealper, did I mention the player that wanted a shitton of material to build a volcano on my server?
#910 [02:31] <DopeGhoti> ??+ irc/nick|To set your name in IRC, type /nick _______;;Fill in the blank with your desired name, naturally.
#911 [02:31] <speedolphins> o_O
#912 [02:31] <speedolphins> i deleted the bin folder
#913 [02:31] <Kealper> fogWork: did it end well?
#914 [02:31] <fogWork> Well
#915 [02:31] <fogWork> https://picasaweb.google.com/fogWraith/ShotwellConnect#5573143422919766786
#916 [02:32] <speedolphins> it appeared again
#917 [02:32] <xales> speedolphins: pastebin the error
#918 [02:32] <xales> not paste in here
#919 [02:32] <xales> pastebin
#920 [02:32] <xales> ?? pastebin
#921 [02:32] <VoxelHead> pastebin: Pasting into IRC is called "flooding" and is not permitted - you should use a service such as http://pastebin.com/ to paste anything longer than ONE LINE. If you are unsure, use Pastebin.
#922 [02:32] <VoxelHead> pastebin: These services allow you to paste the text on their site, then share a short link that allows us to see the full text you pasted
#923 [02:32] <DopeGhoti> speedolphins: By the looks of (1.5.0_04-b05 mixed mode) on that error dump, you have an out-of-date version of Java. Fix that.
#924 [02:33] <speedolphins> Okay so
#925 [02:33] <speedolphins> I download the new Java?
#926 [02:33] <DopeGhoti> yep.
#927 [02:33] <xales> oh wow, I didn't even notice that, lol
#928 [02:33] <speedolphins> you guys are awesome
#929 [02:33] <speedolphins> :<
#930 [02:33] <DopeGhoti> Happy to help. Now for sleep.
#931 [02:34] <speedolphins> Good night
#932 [02:34] <fogWork> How'd you like THAT volcano, Kealper? :P
#933 [02:34] <nevercast> night DopeGhoti
#934 [02:35] <Kealper> fogWork: checking it now, was helping someone in a different chat with computer troubles
#935 [02:35] <fogWork> ;)
#936 [02:36] <speedolphins> Back to homework
#937 [02:36] <Kealper> fogWork: meh.
#938 [02:36] <speedolphins> You guys are really helpful. Hope this works.
#939 [02:36] <Kealper> a bit small for a volcano lol
#940 [02:36] <fogWork> I thought so too
#941 [02:36] <fogWork> I placed chests with a whole lot materials
#942 [02:37] <fogWork> lot more*
#943 [02:37] <Kealper> lol
#944 [02:37] <fogWork> "Meh" *level lavathing*
#945 [02:38] <Kealper> fogWork: does your fogWork nick's username and/or hostname change? or did i just not add that one to autovoice?
#946 [02:38] <fogWork> I didn't auth on connect, so unsure if it does after authing after joinging
#947 [02:38] <fogWork> joining*
#948 [02:38] <Kealper> .set mode fogWork +v
#949 [02:39] <Kealper> .-.
#950 [02:39] <fogWork> :P
#951 [02:39] <fogWork> Disobediant bot
#952 [02:39] <Kealper> !status
#953 [02:39] <Kealper> >.>
#954 [02:39] <Kealper> !load mod_bot
#955 [02:39] <Kealper> stupid bot
#956 [02:39] * GreyBot bonks Kealper, "Be nice to your bot master!"
#956 [02:39] <Kealper> fucking bot
#957 [02:39] <Kealper> .set mode fogWork +v
#958 [02:39] <fogWork> Heh
#959 [02:40] <Kealper> i should really fix that bot module, it hates to be reloaded after it's crashed -.-
#960 [02:40] <fogWork> O_o
#961 [02:42] <fogWork> Meh, I don't like paperwork
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#963 [02:45] <Kealper> i think i'm off to bed now, cya all
#964 [02:45] <fogWork> Later Kealper
#965 [02:45] * Kealper waves
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#966 [02:48] <Speedolphins> uhh
#967 [02:48] <Speedolphins> i need some help
#968 [02:48] <Speedolphins> o_o
#969 [02:48] <Speedolphins> http://pastebin.com/H5MJupXe
#970 [02:48] <Speedolphins> anyone there?
#971 [02:48] <Zemedelphos> updating the video card drivers.
#972 [02:48] <Zemedelphos> Did you try it?
#973 [02:48] <Speedolphins> dunno where
#974 [02:48] <Speedolphins> ._>
#975 [02:49] <Speedolphins> ._.
#976 [02:49] <Zemedelphos> What video card do you have? Is it on board, or did you buy one?
#977 [02:49] <Speedolphins> it can't be upgraded
#978 [02:49] <Speedolphins> i dunno what it is
#979 [02:49] <Speedolphins> but i know my computer model
#980 [02:49] <Zemedelphos> Did you buy one?
#981 [02:49] <Speedolphins> nope
#982 [02:49] <Speedolphins> came with computer
#983 [02:50] <Speedolphins> Windows XP, Toshiba M-105 S-3011 From the year 2005.
#984 [02:50] <Zemedelphos> All right
#985 [02:50] <Zemedelphos> So it's on board
#986 [02:50] <Speedolphins> Okay.
#987 [02:52] <Speedolphins> o_o
#988 [02:52] <nevercast> likely intel graphics
#989 [02:52] <Speedolphins> ._.
#990 [02:52] <Zemedelphos> Okay
#991 [02:52] <Zemedelphos> Find your display properties
#992 [02:53] <Zemedelphos> right-click your desktop, select properties
#993 [02:53] <Speedolphins> k
#994 [02:53] <Zemedelphos> In Display Properties, click the settings tab
#995 [02:54] <Speedolphins> k
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#997 [02:54] <Zemedelphos> what does it say in the "display:" line?
#998 [02:54] <Speedolphins> uhh
#999 [02:54] <Speedolphins> Plug and play
#1000 [02:54] <Speedolphins> w8
#1001 [02:55] <Speedolphins> Plug and Play monitor on Mobile Intel(R) 945GM Express Chipset Family
#1002 [02:55] <Zemedelphos> k
#1003 [02:55] <Zemedelphos> Laptop or desktop?
#1004 [02:55] <Speedolphins> Laptop
#1005 [02:55] <Zemedelphos> k
#1006 [02:55] <nevercast> "Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950 with 8 MB to 128 MB of shared memory.
#1007 [02:55] <nevercast> Read more: Specifications For a Toshiba Satellite M105 | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/facts_6820615_specifications-toshiba-satellite-m105.html#ixzz1Duy1toeX"
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#1009 [02:58] <Zemedelphos> I found the most recent drivers for that video card.
#1010 [02:58] <Zemedelphos> it's XP home edition, right?
#1011 [02:58] <Speedolphins> yes
#1012 [02:58] <Zemedelphos> http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&DwnldID=16836&ProdId=2301&lang=eng
#1013 [02:58] <Speedolphins> w8 uhh
#1014 [02:58] <Speedolphins> lemme double check
#1015 [02:58] <Speedolphins> yea
#1016 [02:59] <Zemedelphos> see if that helps
#1017 [03:00] <Speedolphins> k
#1018 [03:00] <Speedolphins> gonna do hw while I dl
#1019 [03:00] <Zemedelphos> k
#1020 [03:02] <nevercast> Homework eh
#1021 [03:02] <nevercast> I never do that
#1022 [03:02] <nevercast> or never did
#1023 [03:02] <Zemedelphos> Lol
#1024 [03:02] <Zemedelphos> I did homework less and less each year after 3rd grade.
#1025 [03:03] <Speedolphins> lucky
#1026 [03:03] <Speedolphins> i have a big geometry project
#1027 [03:03] <Speedolphins> and a 10 page story
#1028 [03:03] <Speedolphins> to right
#1029 [03:03] <Speedolphins> -_-
#1030 [03:03] <arensirb> o.O
#1031 [03:03] <nevercast> Well I never did homework
#1032 [03:03] <arensirb> how old are you?
#1033 [03:03] <nevercast> and now I'm at colledge
#1034 [03:03] <Speedolphins> 13
#1035 [03:03] <nevercast> and still don't study
#1036 [03:03] <arensirb> o.O
#1037 [03:03] <Speedolphins> ?
#1038 [03:03] <arensirb> Quick quiz: Why does so many people under 16 play minecraft?
#1039 [03:04] <nevercast> Because it's the new runescape
#1040 [03:04] <Zemedelphos> Why not?
#1041 [03:04] <arensirb> what is runescape?
#1042 [03:04] <nevercast> ;)
#1043 [03:04] <Zemedelphos> Great.
#1044 [03:04] <Zemedelphos> XD
#1045 [03:04] <nevercast> Old scape is Old.
#1046 [03:04] <Zemedelphos> But I seriously do miss it.
#1047 [03:04] <nevercast> I used to play it like 6 years ago
#1048 [03:04] <arensirb> I played UO
#1049 [03:04] <Zemedelphos> I played up until 2 years ago
#1050 [03:04] <Zemedelphos> I was a member for about 4 years straight.
#1051 [03:05] <Zemedelphos> They're bringing back the wilderness.
#1052 [03:05] <nevercast> They've already brought it back
#1053 [03:05] <nevercast> as well as pvp and free trade
#1054 [03:05] <arensirb> pvp sucksa
#1055 [03:05] <Speedolphins> runescape sucks
#1056 [03:05] <arensirb> -a
#1057 [03:06] <nevercast> lol.
#1058 [03:06] <nevercast> Speedolphins, You hater!
#1059 [03:06] <Zemedelphos> I think it's fun, personally.
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#1061 [03:06] <Speedolphins> lol
#1062 [03:06] <nevercast> You're only hating on it because you think you've out grown it
#1063 [03:06] <Speedolphins> IMO
#1064 [03:06] <nevercast> You wait
#1065 [03:06] <Speedolphins> lol
#1066 [03:06] <Yezzy> I need help
#1067 [03:06] <nevercast> in 5 years you'll be buying pokemon cards again
#1068 [03:06] <Zemedelphos> I can see it now.
#1069 [03:06] <nevercast> Yezzy, Just ask
#1070 [03:06] <Zemedelphos> 10 years from now
#1071 [03:06] <arensirb> nevercast: haaha
#1072 [03:06] <Zemedelphos> I'm gonna log onto runescape
#1073 [03:06] <Zemedelphos> and see how much has changed since the last 6 months I logged in :P
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#1075 [03:07] <Yezzy> Everytime I try and launch Mine Craft my browser crashs anyone know how to mak eit stiop
#1076 [03:07] <nevercast> Yezzy, Download it and play offline
#1077 [03:07] <Zemedelphos> How much RAM do you have?
#1078 [03:07] <Zemedelphos> Or that.
#1079 [03:07] <Zemedelphos> No reason to play in-browser, anyway
#1080 [03:07] <Speedolphins> 1gb ram
#1081 [03:07] <Speedolphins> on me
#1082 [03:07] <Speedolphins> :<
#1083 [03:07] <arensirb> 4 here
#1084 [03:08] <arensirb> 1gig is my graphics card
#1085 [03:08] <arensirb> :P
#1086 [03:08] <Zemedelphos> I have 3.
#1087 [03:08] <Yezzy> 4 gigs
#1088 [03:08] <Zemedelphos> Not sure how much is on my card, though
#1089 [03:08] <Zemedelphos> I might be able to google it, though.
#1090 [03:08] <arensirb> hehe
#1091 [03:08] <Yezzy> I tryed to download it and
#1092 [03:08] <Yezzy> Ithe launcher does not do anythig
#1093 [03:08] <arensirb> Do you have java?
#1094 [03:08] <arensirb> (minecraft.exe requires hava right?)
#1095 [03:08] <Zemedelphos> Minecraft requires java
#1096 [03:08] <Yezzy> Well everytime I try and check to see if my java is up to date it crashs my browser
#1097 [03:08] <arensirb> s/hava/java/
#1098 [03:08] <Zemedelphos> It's writtin in java
#1099 [03:09] <arensirb> Yezzy: Which browser?
#1100 [03:09] <Yezzy> firefox
#1101 [03:09] <nevercast> Doesn't matter which browser
#1102 [03:09] <nevercast> download the client
#1103 [03:09] <Yezzy> i did\
#1104 [03:09] <nevercast> We can help you more if you run it from your computer
#1105 [03:09] <Yezzy> it still shows nothing when i click it
#1106 [03:09] <arensirb> Did you try to update java via IE?
#1107 [03:09] <Yezzy> yea
#1108 [03:09] <Yezzy> it said the conection tiomed out
#1109 [03:09] <arensirb> Did it work?
#1110 [03:09] <Yezzy> Nope
#1111 [03:09] <arensirb> o.O
#1112 [03:09] <arensirb> Are you on wireless?
#1113 [03:10] <Yezzy> nope
#1114 [03:10] <Speedolphins> I give up
#1115 [03:10] <Speedolphins> ._.
#1116 [03:10] <Speedolphins> doesn't work
#1117 [03:10] <nevercast> er I'm off to sleep
#1118 [03:10] <nevercast> pz
#1119 [03:10] <Speedolphins> I'll just play minecraft on a friend's comp then
#1120 [03:10] <Speedolphins> T_T
#1121 [03:10] <Yezzy> lol
#1122 [03:10] <arensirb> Speedolphins: What doesnt work? :p
#1123 [03:10] <arensirb> oh, ok
#1124 [03:10] <arensirb> :P
#1125 [03:10] <Yezzy> My browser
#1126 [03:10] <Yezzy> Its crashs everytime i try and run the game
#1127 [03:10] <arensirb> Yezzy: What happened when you downloaded jre in ie?
#1128 [03:11] <Yezzy> It showed the browser stopped working screen
#1129 [03:11] <Zemedelphos> lol
#1130 [03:11] <Zemedelphos> my video card's only got .5 gb of ram.
#1131 [03:11] <Zemedelphos> I think
#1132 [03:11] <arensirb> http://javadl.sun.com/webapps/download/AutoDL?BundleId=45832
#1133 [03:11] <arensirb> thats java for windows
#1134 [03:12] <arensirb> Doesnt it download a file when you open that?
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#1136 [03:13] <TheBix> how long has it been since minecraft was updated
#1137 [03:13] <TheBix> jeeeeez
#1138 [03:14] <Zemedelphos> About a month.
#1139 [03:14] <arensirb> Notch on vacation, aint he?
#1140 [03:15] <Zemedelphos> He is.
#1141 [03:15] <arensirb> Does everything stop when he leaves?
#1142 [03:15] <Zemedelphos> And it is to be expected that there won't be any updates when the lead programmer is out.
#1143 [03:15] <Zemedelphos> No, Jens has been working
#1144 [03:15] <Zemedelphos> But nothing's gone out yet.
#1145 [03:15] <arensirb> So he doesnt trust Jens?
#1146 [03:15] <arensirb> :P
#1147 [03:15] <Zemedelphos> Not that
#1148 [03:15] <Zemedelphos> They just want everything square before release
#1149 [03:15] <Zemedelphos> Get it?
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#1151 [03:16] <arensirb> Or does it has to be notch-verified before someone does anything?
#1152 [03:16] <Zemedelphos> He hired Jens as a programmer, so Jens programs
#1153 [03:16] <Zemedelphos> But I would suspect he'd like to see it before it goes out.
#1154 [03:16] <Zemedelphos> After all, it's his game.
#1155 [03:16] <arensirb> True
#1156 [03:16] <Zemedelphos> You wouldn't design a car and have someone else work on the design and make it before you saw it.
#1157 [03:17] <arensirb> Well yes
#1158 [03:17] <arensirb> If we agreed on it
#1159 [03:17] <arensirb> "I want you to do this, il be back in 1 week"
#1160 [03:17] <Zemedelphos> That's what I'm saying
#1161 [03:17] <Zemedelphos> Basically, Jens programs what he wants, since that's his job.
#1162 [03:17] <arensirb> hehe
#1163 [03:18] <Zemedelphos> But it's not like he's gonna say "if you want to make hang gliders, blah blah, etc. go ahead. I'll be back in 2 weeks."
#1164 [03:18] <arensirb> No
#1165 [03:18] <Zemedelphos> Rather, it's "keep on keepin' on, i'll brb"
#1166 [03:18] <arensirb> But "Take a look at those bugs.. Il be back in 1 week"
#1167 [03:18] <Zemedelphos> True.
#1168 [03:19] <Zemedelphos> But hey, at least the fixed some issues before he went out
#1169 [03:19] <arensirb> Bug fixing shouldnt stop just because notch is on vacation :P
#1170 [03:19] <Zemedelphos> Such as the scarcity of lapis
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#1172 [03:19] <arensirb> hm
#1173 [03:20] <arensirb> But that requires a new world, or expansion of existing
#1174 [03:20] <Zemedelphos> No
#1175 [03:20] <arensirb> o.O?
#1176 [03:20] <Zemedelphos> I meant how many it drops
#1177 [03:20] <arensirb> aha
#1178 [03:20] <Zemedelphos> The block is just as rare
#1179 [03:20] <arensirb> It drops 1
#1180 [03:20] <arensirb> doesnt it?
#1181 [03:20] <Zemedelphos> but now, it drops up to 4 bits.
#1182 [03:20] <arensirb> wth?
#1183 [03:20] <Zemedelphos> It's more like redstone
#1184 [03:20] <arensirb> Single player?
#1185 [03:20] <Zemedelphos> Yes, single player.
#1186 [03:21] <arensirb> ah
#1187 [03:21] <arensirb> thats it
#1188 [03:21] <arensirb> I dont do single player
#1189 [03:21] <arensirb> that slike... single player
#1190 [03:21] <arensirb> :P
#1191 [03:21] <Zemedelphos> And?
#1192 [03:21] <arensirb> My friend calls singleplayer "Try before you buy"
#1193 [03:21] <Zemedelphos> Oh wait
#1194 [03:21] <Zemedelphos> it's up to 8 bits, minimum 4 bits
#1195 [03:21] <Zemedelphos> Lapis Lazuli Ore now drops 4 - 8 Lapis Lazuli per block mined (increased from 1) on single
#1196 [03:21] <arensirb> Multiplayer is "Play after buy"
#1197 [03:21] <Zemedelphos> Multiplayer is "My computer isn't good enough to run a server"
#1198 [03:22] <arensirb> HAHA
#1199 [03:22] <arensirb> : p
#1200 [03:22] <arensirb> bs
#1201 [03:22] <Zemedelphos> And i'm not paying those conceited fuckers to join their servers.
#1202 [03:22] <Zemedelphos> What do you mean BS?
#1203 [03:22] <Zemedelphos> I only have 3GB of ram.
#1204 [03:22] <arensirb> <Zemedelphos> Multiplayer is "My computer isn't good enough to run a server"
#1205 [03:22] <arensirb> bs
#1206 [03:22] <arensirb> Only? That should be enoughj
#1207 [03:22] <arensirb> Oh no, wait.. MC has a memory leak
#1208 [03:22] <arensirb> Doesnt it?
#1209 [03:23] <Zemedelphos> I've got 3 GB ram, a shitty, but better than onboard video card, and that's it
#1210 [03:23] <arensirb> ah
#1211 [03:23] <Zemedelphos> memory leak?
#1212 [03:23] <arensirb> what cpu?
#1213 [03:23] <Zemedelphos> uh
#1214 [03:23] <Zemedelphos> lemme think
#1215 [03:23] <arensirb> im on an i5
#1216 [03:23] * Zemedelphos kills arensirb and jacks his CPU
#1216 [03:23] <arensirb> HAHA
#1217 [03:23] <arensirb> im on gigabit
#1218 [03:23] <arensirb> :D
#1219 [03:23] <Zemedelphos> intel pentium dual cpu e2160
#1220 [03:24] <arensirb> Wanna kill me for that too?
#1221 [03:24] <Zemedelphos> gigabit?
#1222 [03:24] <arensirb> yheo¨
#1223 [03:24] <arensirb> 1000/1000
#1224 [03:24] <Zemedelphos> o.o?
#1225 [03:24] <arensirb> my conn..?
#1226 [03:24] <Zemedelphos> conn?
#1227 [03:24] <Zemedelphos> English, man.
#1228 [03:24] <arensirb> ection?
#1229 [03:24] <Zemedelphos> I have never head of gigabit...
#1230 [03:24] <Zemedelphos> heard*
#1231 [03:25] <arensirb> Are you serious?
#1232 [03:25] <arensirb> gigabit... 1000mbit
#1233 [03:25] <arensirb> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1156761480.png
#1234 [03:25] <Zemedelphos> Okay, I know what a gigabit is...
#1235 [03:25] <Zemedelphos> I didn't understand what you meant by that.
#1236 [03:25] <arensirb> I have a gigabit connection
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#1238 [03:26] <Zemedelphos> What is that? Speed? Bandwidth? Turkey sammich?
#1239 [03:26] <arensirb> *smacks head against wall*
#1240 [03:26] <Zemedelphos> You're talking to a person who's lags if 2 people in the house are using the internet.
#1241 [03:26] <arensirb> No offense, are you retarded?
#1242 [03:26] <Zemedelphos> I'm not
#1243 [03:26] <arensirb> :P
#1244 [03:27] <arensirb> My internet connection has maximum bandwidth of 1000mbps
#1245 [03:27] <Zemedelphos> You don't know the fine details of particle physics, but that doens't make you retarted.
#1246 [03:27] <arensirb> True
#1247 [03:27] <arensirb> Or
#1248 [03:27] <arensirb> It kinda does
#1249 [03:27] <Zemedelphos> It doesn't.
#1250 [03:27] <Zemedelphos> Retardation has nothing to do with what you know.
#1251 [03:27] <arensirb> When it comes to particle physics im a retard
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#1253 [03:27] <arensirb> :P
#1254 [03:27] <Zemedelphos> It's your ability to learn.
#1255 [03:28] <arensirb> I dont even know what to write anymire
#1256 [03:28] <arensirb> Im kinda chocked
#1257 [03:28] <arensirb> I get more chocked when people dont know what their own connection is
#1258 [03:29] <Zemedelphos> I know what mine is: shit.
#1259 [03:29] <arensirb> haha
#1260 [03:29] <arensirb> mine is: uber.
#1261 [03:29] <Zemedelphos> Seriously.
#1262 [03:29] <Zemedelphos> If someone uses facebook.
#1263 [03:30] <Zemedelphos> Major lag.
#1264 [03:30] <Zemedelphos> If they use youtube.
#1265 [03:30] <Zemedelphos> Dibilitating lag.
#1266 [03:30] <arensirb> So upgrade your plan?
#1267 [03:30] <Zemedelphos> It's not the plan.
#1268 [03:30] <Zemedelphos> It's my dad's shitty modem.
#1269 [03:30] <arensirb> change the router then
#1270 [03:30] <arensirb> im happy I dont have a router :p
#1271 [03:30] <arensirb> no nat-ing
#1272 [03:31] <Zemedelphos> We have a wireless router. A really good one.
#1273 [03:31] <Zemedelphos> We've never set it up.
#1274 [03:31] <Zemedelphos> I tried before.
#1275 [03:31] <Zemedelphos> And it was being a bitch.
#1276 [03:31] <arensirb> Did you fail?
#1277 [03:31] <arensirb> PEBKAC?
#1278 [03:31] <Zemedelphos> So I grabbed my shinai and broke it against the columns on the porch
#1279 [03:31] <Zemedelphos> The shinai that is.
#1280 [03:31] <Zemedelphos> Not the router.
#1281 [03:32] <arensirb> whats a shinai?
#1282 [03:32] <arensirb> is that like a dildo?
#1283 [03:32] <arensirb> :P
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#1285 [03:32] <Zemedelphos> It's the weapon used in Kendo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinai
#1286 [03:33] <arensirb> hah
#1287 [03:33] <arensirb> Use real swords!
#1288 [03:33] <arensirb> much more realistic
#1289 [03:33] <Zemedelphos> I have real swords.
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#1291 [03:33] <Zemedelphos> My dad didn't want my friends and I to kill each other.
#1292 [03:33] <arensirb> Hes a drag
#1293 [03:33] <arensirb> :-/
#1294 [03:33] <Zemedelphos> One christmas, he got a pair of shinai.
#1295 [03:33] <Zemedelphos> They're fun.
#1296 [03:33] <Zemedelphos> Because even if you slip and hit the other person
#1297 [03:33] <Zemedelphos> You don't go to prison.
#1298 [03:33] <arensirb> :-/
#1299 [03:34] <arensirb> Only if you get caught :P
#1300 [03:34] <arensirb> maybe he slipped
#1301 [03:34] <arensirb> :P
#1302 [03:34] <Zemedelphos> Of course I'd get caught.
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#1304 [03:34] <Zemedelphos> We'd have the fights out in the yard.
#1305 [03:34] <Zemedelphos> lol
#1306 [03:34] <Zemedelphos> once
#1307 [03:34] <arensirb> Umm
#1308 [03:34] <arensirb> How old were you? Didnt know if you said before
#1309 [03:34] <Zemedelphos> after I was given my dad's old decorative swords.
#1310 [03:35] <Zemedelphos> When I got the shinai, I was probably 16.
#1311 [03:35] <arensirb> and at the present you are?
#1312 [03:35] <Zemedelphos> Yeah, it was 3 years ago when we got the router.
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#1314 [03:35] <Zemedelphos> I'm currently 19.
#1315 [03:35] <arensirb> ah
#1316 [03:35] <arensirb> <- 24
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#1318 [03:36] <arensirb> dang, im hungry
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#1320 [03:37] <Zemedelphos> Eat.
#1321 [03:37] <Jimbob> Hi.
#1322 [03:37] <arensirb> Working on it
#1323 [03:37] <arensirb> hotdogs
#1324 [03:37] <arensirb> Hi,
#1325 [03:38] <Jimbob> What good mods are there minecraft
#1326 [03:38] <Jimbob> ?
#1327 [03:38] <arensirb> SMP you mean?
#1328 [03:38] <arensirb> for SMP that is
#1329 [03:38] <Jimbob> No ones you can use on a server
#1330 [03:38] <DeeWoo> *giggle*
#1331 [03:38] <arensirb> SMP = multi player
#1332 [03:39] <arensirb> == on a server
#1333 [03:39] <Jimbob> Oh
#1334 [03:39] <arensirb> Survival Multi-Player
#1335 [03:39] <Jimbob> well I have no idea what all your fanc y abrievs are
#1336 [03:39] <Jimbob> ah
#1337 [03:39] <arensirb> Guess it depends on which server sofware your using
#1338 [03:39] <Jimbob> right
#1339 [03:39] <arensirb> I only have experience with bukkit
#1340 [03:39] <Jimbob> the windows client from the website
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#1342 [03:40] <arensirb> you mean single player?
#1343 [03:40] <Jimbob> Can you get updated tool or player models at all?
#1344 [03:40] <Jimbob> I already got a texture pack
#1345 [03:40] <arensirb> Classic or beta?
#1346 [03:40] <arensirb> beta.
#1347 [03:40] <Jimbob> beta yeah
#1348 [03:40] <arensirb> You can change skin on the website
#1349 [03:40] <arensirb> but idk if thats for SMP only?
#1350 [03:41] <Jimbob> What about models?
#1351 [03:41] <Zemedelphos> Chaning skin on the site works in single player
#1352 [03:41] <Zemedelphos> Otherwise, I wouldn't have any reason to be a skin artist :P
#1353 [03:42] * Zemedelphos made a skin of the 11th Doctor
#1353 [03:42] <arensirb> im a penguin
#1354 [03:42] <Jimbob> Bet my skins are better
#1355 [03:43] <Zemedelphos> Post them.
#1356 [03:43] <Jimbob> no for minecraft
#1357 [03:43] <arensirb> o.O
#1358 [03:44] <Jimbob> http://www.gamebanana.com/skins/66569
#1359 [03:44] <Zemedelphos> I know
#1360 [03:44] <Jimbob> http://www.gamebanana.com/skins/61365
#1361 [03:44] <arensirb> what is that?
#1362 [03:44] <Zemedelphos> I was asking you to post your minecraft skins
#1363 [03:44] <Zemedelphos> an .png
#1364 [03:44] <Zemedelphos> so i could see them
#1365 [03:45] <Jimbob> I dont do skins for minecraft, I need an amstrad or something for those kind of textures
#1366 [03:45] <Zemedelphos> Oh...you said you bet your skins are better...which is why I wanted to see them.
#1367 [03:45] <Jimbob> Oh
#1368 [03:45] <Zemedelphos> w/e though
#1369 [03:45] <Jimbob> I see
#1370 [03:45] <Jimbob> My bad
#1371 [03:45] <Zemedelphos> No big
#1372 [03:47] <Zemedelphos> My wireless mouse is pissing me off again
#1373 [03:49] <arensirb> lol
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#1378 [04:05] <arensirb> sup?
#1379 [04:06] <Arkose> soup?
#1380 [04:06] <arensirb> nah
#1381 [04:06] <arensirb> Arkose: you know java?
#1382 [04:06] <Arkose> no, sorry
#1383 [04:06] <arensirb> ok
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#1387 [04:14] <Diana> http://bux4ad.com/_2ba3a196.htm
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#1389 [04:14] <feenyx> don't click that
#1390 [04:14] <arensirb> feenyx: Mr. Obvious :P
#1391 [04:15] <arensirb> Maybe cpt. :P
#1392 [04:15] <Zemedelphos> I like how many ops we have.
#1393 [04:15] <Zemedelphos> But none are really here.
#1394 [04:15] <Zemedelphos> Same in mcchatter
#1395 [04:15] <Zemedelphos> lol
#1396 [04:15] <Arkose> playing Minecraft.
#1397 [04:15] <Arkose> such nerve.
#1398 [04:16] <Zemedelphos> Diana didn't even TRY IT in #minecraft
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#1400 [04:23] <BarryCarlyon> Somone pinged me and I missed it :-(
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#1402 [04:31] <feenyx> arensirb: I'm afraid it's just Corporal
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#1405 [04:33] <EagleYS> Hioh
#1406 [04:33] <EagleYS> Damnit, LG isn't here.
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#1408 [04:35] <mib_j5yxjq> hi all
#1409 [04:35] <EagleYS> hey
#1410 [04:36] <EagleYS> Anonymous name much?
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#1412 [04:36] <mib_j5yxjq> oops sorry
#1413 [04:36] <mib_j5yxjq> !name sindarus
#1414 [04:36] <mib_j5yxjq> what's the comand to change our name
#1415 [04:36] <mib_j5yxjq> ?
#1416 [04:37] <sindarus> i found it
#1417 [04:37] <sindarus> yay !
#1418 [04:38] <sindarus> bye... good day
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#1425 [05:14] * lemon-rev wispers everyone must be having a good game or sleeping lol
#1425 [05:16] <EagleYS> or being enraged at sony music blocking the video to mp3 converters D:
#1426 [05:19] <lemon-rev> hm
#1427 [05:19] <lemon-rev> well theres ways to get those
#1428 [05:19] <lemon-rev> lol
#1429 [05:19] <lemon-rev> from hot links :)
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#1440 [06:25] <deem> doobee doo bah
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#1443 [06:39] <Shanefl> heyo
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#1445 [07:20] <deem> hi
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#1449 [07:41] <rezhd> hi, i cannot change the skin for character body in preferences.. help?
#1450 [07:43] <GreyVulpine> Why can't you?
#1451 [07:44] <GreyVulpine> 'lo?
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#1454 [07:50] <rezhd> idk why i cannot.. is there supposed to be a confirmation message saying that it has uploaded successfully?
#1455 [07:51] <GreyVulpine> No
#1456 [07:51] <GreyVulpine> If you've used your profile page to upload the skin, it should just return you to the page without a message.
#1457 [07:52] <GreyVulpine> Even though it didn't say anything, it should've been successful, check in-game
#1458 [07:53] <rezhd> okay thanks i am new
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#1461 [08:06] <rezhd> should the game be running so slowly playing for the first time?
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#1463 [08:16] <GreyVulpine> For the first time loading, a little slowness is normal
#1464 [08:16] <rezhd> okay so its basically impossbile to play to start with
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#1466 [08:22] <GreyVulpine> Not impossible, no
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#1468 [08:28] <rezhd> but i managed to collect one piece of wood before it went dark
#1469 [08:28] <rezhd> its that slow
#1470 [08:29] <smerft> who can help me?
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#1473 [08:36] <rezhd> i guess it doesnt matter how slow the game runs as the sun moves at the speed of the game, but what i meant was its lagging badly for a game i thought would be running like a breeze
#1474 [08:36] <rezhd> plus... sort of unrelated, i couldnt download the offical download from the official site, so i downloaded a torrent instead, i have full paid account tho
#1475 [08:37] <rezhd> i just couldnt get the main site downloads (both of em) to respond properly
#1476 [08:39] <rezhd> i am using 1.2_02
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#1482 [08:45] <rezhd> i reckon the java version will work better... any advice?
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#1484 [08:52] <rezhd> nope the java one is just as slow
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#1486 [08:55] <SteevoKun> rezhd, what OS are you using?
#1487 [09:00] <rezhd> xp
#1488 [09:00] <rezhd> firefox
#1489 [09:00] <rezhd> netbook
#1490 [09:00] <rezhd> atom
#1491 [09:03] <GreyVulpine> Ah, netbook. That's why it's slow
#1492 [09:04] <GreyVulpine> And I'd be wary of torrented downloads of this game. It's very easy to install a simple trojan on it
#1493 [09:04] <rezhd> so whats the specs and how do i install the official programme?
#1494 [09:05] <deem> dont really have to "install" it
#1495 [09:05] <GreyVulpine> netbooks are notorious for being underpowered and slightly lacking in the horsepower needed to run games like these
#1496 [09:05] <GreyVulpine> Minecraft is not a "light" game in any means
#1497 [09:05] <deem> just DL the zip unpack it in a folder and start the game i think it was
#1498 [09:05] <GreyVulpine> Nope, all you need is the minecraft.exe from the minecraft.net website
#1499 [09:05] <GreyVulpine> http://www.minecraft.net/download.jsp
#1500 [09:05] <deem> even easier.
#1501 [09:06] <rezhd> that .exe doesnt work
#1502 [09:06] <rezhd> doesnt do anything
#1503 [09:06] <GreyVulpine> What do you mean
#1504 [09:06] <rezhd> it brings up msdos and just closes that window
#1505 [09:06] <GreyVulpine> It shouldn't bring up any msdos thing
#1506 [09:06] <GreyVulpine> It's an exe
#1507 [09:06] <GreyVulpine> Unless you downloaded the linux .jar
#1508 [09:08] <rezhd> you know dos script
#1509 [09:08] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#1510 [09:09] <rezhd> ie command prompt
#1511 [09:09] <GreyVulpine> Yes, I know it
#1512 [09:10] <rezhd> i cant read the error
#1513 [09:10] <rezhd> it says "programme....big..." god there is a lot missing it closes quickly
#1514 [09:12] <GreyVulpine> Did you download the .exe?
#1515 [09:12] <rezhd> "...memory"
#1516 [09:12] <rezhd> yes
#1517 [09:12] <rezhd> for windows
#1518 [09:14] <GreyVulpine> Out of curiousity, how much RAM is on that netbook?
#1519 [09:15] <rezhd> 0.99 gb
#1520 [09:15] <rezhd> so almost 1gig
#1521 [09:15] <GreyVulpine> That would be why
#1522 [09:15] <rezhd> ??
#1523 [09:15] <GreyVulpine> Not enough RAm
#1524 [09:15] <rezhd> your joking
#1525 [09:15] <GreyVulpine> Nope
#1526 [09:15] <rezhd> :(
#1527 [09:15] <GreyVulpine> Try this
#1528 [09:15] <GreyVulpine> Download the .jar version
#1529 [09:16] <GreyVulpine> Put it in a place where you can get to in the command promp
#1530 [09:16] <rezhd> thx k
#1531 [09:16] <GreyVulpine> Then, execute it with
#1532 [09:16] <GreyVulpine> java -Xmx256M -Xms256M -cp Minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame
#1533 [09:16] <rezhd> you mean put it in c:
#1534 [09:16] <GreyVulpine> Sure
#1535 [09:16] <rezhd> so what IS the required ram?
#1536 [09:16] <GreyVulpine> At least a gig free
#1537 [09:17] <rezhd> if your suggestion doesnt work, and i will try it, but if it doesnt you thik i'll get a refund?
#1538 [09:17] <rezhd> i havent really got money to knock about on games that dont run
#1539 [09:18] <rezhd> :(
#1540 [09:18] <GreyVulpine> Has it been less than a week?
#1541 [09:18] <rezhd> a day most
#1542 [09:18] <GreyVulpine> Then yes
#1543 [09:19] <rezhd> great!
#1544 [09:19] <rezhd> but thanks, i'll be on irc just see if this works,
#1545 [09:19] <rezhd> it sucks tho, was kind of looking forward to playing, i need a new laptop
#1546 [09:20] <GreyVulpine> netbooks, especially the Atom, are underpowered at best
#1547 [09:20] <GreyVulpine> They're really not made for gaming
#1548 [09:20] <rezhd> yh i know
#1549 [09:21] <rezhd> i didnt consider minecraft to fall under that category unforuntely
#1550 [09:21] <rezhd> i should try run from a dos prompt? or just run...
#1551 [09:21] <GreyVulpine> dos prompt
#1552 [09:21] <GreyVulpine> navigate to the directory where you downloaded the .jar file
#1553 [09:21] <GreyVulpine> then execute it with:
#1554 [09:21] <GreyVulpine> java -Xmx256M -Xms256M -cp Minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame
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#1556 [09:22] <rezhd> shame you cant ctrl v in dos
#1557 [09:26] <deem> ^^
#1558 [09:26] <deem> im nearly done with my ground structures for tar valon!
#1559 [09:27] <rezhd> i am going to let it run a bit (it does work :) )
#1560 [09:27] <rezhd> i am trying to do some decorating in home at the same time
#1561 [09:28] <rezhd> so shouldnt really be on the net anyway
#1562 [09:28] <GreyVulpine> the 256M arguments are stating that you want to run minecraft with 256 megs of ram
#1563 [09:28] <rezhd> but thanks for your help
#1564 [09:28] <rezhd> cool
#1565 [09:28] <GreyVulpine> Which should work, and you can use a batch file instead of having to type that every time
#1566 [09:28] <rezhd> yeah i guess i could make a batch file
#1567 [09:28] <rezhd> it would be easier
#1568 [09:28] <rezhd> is it still multiplayer and will i only need that one .jar file to play minecraft
#1569 [09:28] <rezhd> thanks
#1570 [09:29] <rezhd> such a noob
#1571 [09:29] <GreyVulpine> Yup
#1572 [09:29] <GreyVulpine> No worries
#1573 [09:29] <rezhd> otherwise if it doesnt work,not to worry there are plenty of great videos on youtube to watch
#1574 [09:31] <deem> imo its more satisfying when you actually are a part of a group (or on your own) building something :)
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#1576 [09:31] <Erlpil> hi
#1577 [09:32] <GreyVulpine> 'lo
#1578 [09:32] <deem> good day
#1579 [09:32] <Erlpil> I need som help :/
#1580 [09:32] <GreyVulpine> With?
#1581 [09:32] <Erlpil> Minecraft has crashed! ---------------------- Minecraft has stopped running because it encountered a problem. If you wish to report this, please copy this entire text and email it to support@mojang.com. Please include a description of what you did when the error occured. --- BEGIN ERROR REPORT a1dce528 -------- Generated 14.02.1
#1582 [09:32] <GreyVulpine> Please don't paste that here
#1583 [09:32] <GreyVulpine> Use pastebin.com
#1584 [09:32] <GreyVulpine> Give us the URL
#1585 [09:32] <Erlpil> kay ;)
#1586 [09:32] <Erlpil> http://pastebin.com/22s1yVWP
#1587 [09:32] <GreyVulpine> Thank you, one moment
#1588 [09:33] <rezhd> well elt me know if there are any of your outube channels you want me to sub to, i will be on irc a couple of hours, feel free to dcc me
#1589 [09:33] <deem> grey do you actually know if mcedit has a help channel aswell in irc?
#1590 [09:33] <GreyVulpine> Sorry, I'm not aware of any irc channelf or mcedit
#1591 [09:33] <GreyVulpine> for*
#1592 [09:33] <Erlpil> http://www.youtube.com/user/MathiasKippen
#1593 [09:33] <GreyVulpine> Erlpil - Did you try to mod minecraft in any way before this happened?
#1594 [09:33] <deem> nvm then :)
#1595 [09:33] <Erlpil> yes
#1596 [09:33] <Erlpil> but its some days ago
#1597 [09:33] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, a mod probably wasn't installed correctly, or wasn't compatible with it
#1598 [09:34] <GreyVulpine> Do you know how to reinstall minecraft?
#1599 [09:34] <Erlpil> no
#1600 [09:34] <Erlpil> i removed them
#1601 [09:34] <GreyVulpine> Most likely, it wasn't removed correctly
#1602 [09:34] <GreyVulpine> What OS are you on?
#1603 [09:34] <Erlpil> ?
#1604 [09:34] <GreyVulpine> operating system
#1605 [09:34] <GreyVulpine> never mind, windows 7
#1606 [09:34] <Erlpil> windows 7
#1607 [09:34] <Erlpil> hehe :)
#1608 [09:34] <deem> ^^
#1609 [09:35] <GreyVulpine> go to your start menu, type in the search bar at the bottom
#1610 [09:35] <GreyVulpine> %appdata%
#1611 [09:35] <GreyVulpine> Look for a .minecraft folder
#1612 [09:35] <Erlpil> yea?
#1613 [09:35] <GreyVulpine> Do you have any saves you want to save?
#1614 [09:35] <Erlpil> mhm
#1615 [09:36] <GreyVulpine> Move the "saves" folder out of .minecraft then
#1616 [09:36] <GreyVulpine> Then delete all of the .minecraft folder
#1617 [09:36] <GreyVulpine> Relaunch minecraft
#1618 [09:36] <GreyVulpine> It'll redownload all the files
#1619 [09:36] <GreyVulpine> Move the saves folder back in
#1620 [09:36] <Erlpil> okay thanks :)
#1621 [09:38] <Erlpil> ooo shit...
#1622 [09:38] <GreyVulpine> Hmm?
#1623 [09:38] <Erlpil> 2 sec
#1624 [09:39] <Erlpil> I hope this works :S
#1625 [09:39] <GreyVulpine> It will
#1626 [09:39] <xales> GreyVulpine: Can you join #mcbots please? :)
#1627 [09:39] <GreyVulpine> ?
#1628 [09:40] <xales> Doing stuff with VoxelHead is spammy in here, so we use that channel
#1629 [09:40] <GreyVulpine> Ah, um, okay
#1630 [09:40] <xales> gah
#1631 [09:40] <xales> it's still doing that?
#1632 [09:40] <xales> =/
#1633 [09:40] <GreyVulpine> ?
#1634 [09:41] <xales> I thought Kealper removed that...whatever
#1635 [09:41] <xales> ok, fixed now
#1636 [09:41] <Erlpil> dont work
#1637 [09:41] <Erlpil> :(
#1638 [09:41] <Erlpil> same problem :(
#1639 [09:41] <GreyVulpine> .. still?
#1640 [09:41] <Erlpil> hmm...
#1641 [09:42] <Erlpil> yap :/
#1642 [09:42] <GreyVulpine> That's.. strange.
#1643 [09:42] <xales> Copy the 'world' folder back out
#1644 [09:42] <Erlpil> mhm
#1645 [09:42] <xales> then try running it again
#1646 [09:43] <Erlpil> okay
#1647 [09:44] <Erlpil> hahahah xD
#1648 [09:44] <Erlpil> I think my mine is to long xD
#1649 [09:46] <Erlpil> when i walked the other way its no problem xD
#1650 [09:46] <xales> ?
#1651 [09:46] <Erlpil> its not faling anymore xD
#1652 [09:47] <Erlpil> failing*
#1653 [09:47] <Erlpil> thx
#1654 [09:50] <Postoffice> I asked a question last nigth, and didnt get a reply. is it possible to get on now ? :)
#1655 [09:51] <GreyVulpine> Get.. on, what?
#1656 [09:52] <Postoffice> one of my mates had a server, and i got a better connection, so we tougth that i could run it. so we copyed the server file, but when istarted it up, it regenerated a new spawn poit, and everyone started with nothing.
#1657 [09:53] <Postoffice> is there something we are missing? :P
#1658 [09:54] <xales> Postoffice: Did you copy the 'world' folder?
#1659 [09:54] <Postoffice> ye
#1660 [09:55] <xales> is it in the same folder?
#1661 [09:55] <xales> There should be the minecraft_server.exe in it's own folder
#1662 [09:55] <xales> and inside that folder, the 'world' folder
#1663 [09:56] <Postoffice> like, the minecraft_Server.exe is in the same folder as the wolrd
#1664 [09:56] <Postoffice> world*
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#1666 [09:56] <xales> no
#1667 [09:56] <xales> it should be like this
#1668 [09:57] <xales> /
#1669 [09:57] <xales> /minecraft_server.exe
#1670 [09:57] <xales> /world/
#1671 [09:57] <xales> /world/level.dat
#1672 [09:57] <xales> etc
#1673 [09:57] <blinky> hiho can someone help me by a prob (garman guys were nice ^^)
#1674 [09:57] <xales> ??> blinky ask
#1675 [09:57] <VoxelHead> blinky: (ask) Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help, and be as specific as possible.
#1676 [09:57] <VoxelHead> blinky: (ask) If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#1677 [09:57] <Postoffice> kk, ill try it :)
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#1680 [09:58] <blinky> my minecraft says me that my video card driver are too bad
#1681 [09:58] <xales> did you update them?
#1682 [09:58] * xales pokes DopeGhoti
#1682 [09:59] <blinky> i try to update but i have the best for this time
#1683 [09:59] <xales> ??> blinky dxdiag
#1684 [09:59] <VoxelHead> blinky: (dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "save log" file and save it to your desktop.
#1685 [09:59] <VoxelHead> blinky: (dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link you are sent to, and paste it here.
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#1687 [10:03] <blinky> http://pastebin.com/34bgZPgn
#1688 [10:06] <xales> Go here - http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/index.aspx and put "Notebook Graphics" and "Mobility Radeon" and "HD 3xxx series" and "Windows 7 - 32 bit"
#1689 [10:08] <blinky> ok i did it
#1690 [10:08] <blinky> but the next prob
#1691 [10:09] <blinky> "the programm were not supported
#1692 [10:10] <xales> ah, I gave you the wrong info
#1693 [10:10] <xales> put instead "Integrated Motherboard Graphics" and "Radeon 3xxx series" and "Radeon 3100 series" and "Windows 7 - 32 bit"
#1694 [10:10] <blinky> k
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#1696 [10:18] <blinky> ok did i
#1697 [10:18] <xales> does it work?
#1698 [10:19] <blinky> just install than should it works?
#1699 [10:19] <xales> you might need to restart computer first
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#1701 [10:23] <masL> sooo i restart
#1702 [10:24] <xales> does it work?
#1703 [10:24] <masL> i try
#1704 [10:25] <masL> no... same message " Bad video card drivers! ----------------------- Minecraft was unable to start because it failed to find an accelerated OpenGL mode. This can usually be fixed by updating the video card drivers."
#1705 [10:27] <xales> your computer does not support Minecraft then
#1706 [10:27] <xales> sorry =/
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#1708 [10:28] <masL> o0 shit
#1709 [10:28] <masL> thereis no way
#1710 [10:29] <masL> ?
#1711 [10:29] <xales> you could buy a new graphics card
#1712 [10:30] <xales> but it's usually better to just buy a new computer, especially if you haven't installed hardware in your own computer before
#1713 [10:30] <masL> ok ty for help
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#1715 [10:38] <Fengrim> !check
#1716 [10:40] <Fengrim> Guess the .net server is still taking a nap?
#1717 [10:41] <xales> ?
#1718 [10:41] <xales> the !check thing doesn't check minecraft.net
#1719 [10:42] <Elvang> 'Thats !isdown minecraft.net right?
#1720 [10:42] <Fengrim> oh, I saw alot of people using it yesterday when it was down so i figured it should have been that, guess not :)
#1721 [10:42] <xales> nope
#1722 [10:42] <xales> it's !isdown, yes
#1723 [10:42] <xales> or just downforeveryoneorjustme.com >.>
#1724 [10:43] <Fengrim> !isdown
#1725 [10:43] <xales> !isdown minecraft.net
#1726 [10:43] <GreyBot> xales: It's just you. http://minecraft.net is up.
#1727 [10:44] <Fengrim> Ugh, guess it wasnt the server yesterday then but something in my settings that keeps giving me "Kicking /62.108.215.25: You need to log in!"
#1728 [10:44] <xales> You are using the wrong server
#1729 [10:45] <xales> that's the Classic server software
#1730 [10:45] <Fengrim> is it? I got it from the mainpage multiplayer section
#1731 [10:45] <xales> The multiplayer section there is for classic
#1732 [10:45] <xales> downloading server software from the classic server list gets you a classic server
#1733 [10:46] <xales> the Beta server is on the same page where you download the client, at the bottom
#1734 [10:47] <Fengrim> ah I see, cheers for that. It was doing my head in yesterday but hopefully it will work better now
#1735 [10:48] <Fengrim> So there's no settings you need to adjust for the new one? Just fire up the Minecraft_Server and your good to go?
#1736 [10:48] <xales> no, delete server.properties if the Classic one created it
#1737 [10:51] <Fengrim> There we go, thanks a bunch xales.
#1738 [10:51] <xales> no problem
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#1749 [11:46] <Solostampede> I am on a mac and looking for my minecraft.jar file. When i downloaded the game it only downloaded the application. Where do i find my minecraft.jar file at?
#1750 [11:46] <xales> /Users/yourname/Library/Application Support/minecraft/bin
#1751 [11:47] <Solostampede> thats the thing though, there is no minecraft file under the app support
#1752 [11:47] <Solostampede> i already looked
#1753 [11:47] <GreyVulpine> minecraft folder
#1754 [11:47] <xales> Did you run the application, and log in?
#1755 [11:47] <Solostampede> yes i have been playing for awhile now
#1756 [11:47] <GreyVulpine> Then there should be a minecraft folder there
#1757 [11:47] <GreyVulpine> Look again
#1758 [11:47] <xales> Are you looking in the correct 'Library' folder?
#1759 [11:48] <xales> there is a system one, and a user one
#1760 [11:48] <Solostampede> does it matter that i also started a server?
#1761 [11:48] <xales> no
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#1763 [11:48] <Solostampede> oh i never even knew i had 2 library folders... so confusing sometimes lol
#1764 [11:48] <Solostampede> found it
#1765 [11:49] <Solostampede> thank you
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#1772 [11:57] <greyfox_> Hello? anyone around?
#1773 [11:57] <GreyVulpine> NOpe
#1774 [11:57] <greyfox> :P
#1775 [11:58] <greyfox> How are you today Grey ;)
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#1779 [11:59] <greyfox> I got a quick question about getting minecraft working,
#1780 [12:00] <xales> ??> GreyBot ask
#1781 [12:00] <VoxelHead> GreyBot: (ask) Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help, and be as specific as possible.
#1782 [12:00] <VoxelHead> GreyBot: (ask) If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#1783 [12:00] <xales> err, wrong name
#1784 [12:00] <xales> whatever
#1785 [12:00] <greyfox> Ah ok
#1786 [12:01] <greyfox> I have a mobile intel 915gm/gms express video card in my latop, updated to the newest driver. But i'm still getting the "Bad video card drivers" screen
#1787 [12:02] <xales> yeah..it doesn't work on those cards
#1788 [12:02] <xales> people can't even get it to work on a 950
#1789 [12:02] <greyfox> Ah ok
#1790 [12:02] <xales> Intel cards = horrible nasty POSes
#1791 [12:03] <greyfox> haha, it's funny I can run Halo on this comp but not MineCraft XD
#1792 [12:03] <greyfox> I totally agree~
#1793 [12:03] <xales> Halo is a rather old game, lol
#1794 [12:03] <greyfox> yeah but compared to minecraft....
#1795 [12:03] <greyfox> :P
#1796 [12:04] <xales> Minecraft's graphics style is retro/whatever
#1797 [12:04] <xales> it's still just as graphics intense as many modern games
#1798 [12:04] <greyfox> hmm I see
#1799 [12:05] <greyfox> well thanks guys, I thought i would just ask to see if there was a trick to it....besides using a diffrent comp
#1800 [12:05] <Fengrim> god, its a whole farm invasion at my digsites, damn heatseaking animals :|
#1801 [12:05] <xales> Not really, sorry =/
#1802 [12:05] <xales> you could try it under Linux/whatever and see if the driver on that plays it any better
#1803 [12:05] <xales> but I have a 950 in my laptop and get like 8FPS that way
#1804 [12:05] <xales> I can't imagine a 915 doing much more than 2 or 3
#1805 [12:05] <greyfox> hmm hey thats a good idea!
#1806 [12:06] <greyfox> crank up the fog :P
#1807 [12:06] <greyfox> I'll test that out,
#1808 [12:06] <greyfox> Later guys
#1809 [12:07] <greyfox> Thanks xales!
#1810 [12:10] <DopeGhoti> ??+ retro|Just because Minecraft's graphics have a retro styling does not mean that you can run the game on a Commodore 64.;;Minecraft will make a computer work just as hard, and in some cases harder than, many other contemporary games. There is a reason that it allocates 1GiB of RAM on startup.
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#1814 [12:30] <deem> i guess i need a better comp -.-
#1815 [12:30] <deem> it takes like 5 minutes until the spawn areas are done when i start the server
#1816 [12:32] <deem> btw where can i see how "big" in megabyte my map is on the server?
#1817 [12:36] <GreyVulpine> By using whatever OS you have, and looking at the properties of the "world" folder
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#1819 [12:40] <deem> thanks :)
#1820 [12:41] <deem> im a bit confused now ... it says 480 MB and the server (my comp) cant handle it
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#1822 [12:42] <GreyVulpine> Can't.. handle it?
#1823 [12:43] <deem> theres always a warning as soon as my gf wants to connect sth like: [Warning] Did the Systemclock/time/whatever changed or is the Server overloaded
#1824 [12:43] <GreyVulpine> That's normal, ignore it
#1825 [12:44] <deem> well she gets d/cd after a couple of seconds after being logged in
#1826 [12:44] <GreyVulpine> most likely unrelated to that message
#1827 [12:45] <deem> hmm any idea what could cause that? i must say that i edited the map with mcedit and she seems either to spawn mid-air or the textures are just not loading
#1828 [12:45] <deem> no mods or whatsoever
#1829 [12:45] <GreyVulpine> How does she d/c?
#1830 [12:46] <deem> timed out
#1831 [12:46] <GreyVulpine> Is it just her that times out on your server?
#1832 [12:46] <deem> shes the only one having the ip ;)
#1833 [12:47] <GreyVulpine> ip?
#1834 [12:47] <deem> its a beta server
#1835 [12:47] <GreyVulpine> Ah, I see
#1836 [12:48] <xales> deem: if it lags like that and takes that long to generate the spawn, your computer may not be capable of running the server
#1837 [12:48] <deem> thats not what i wanna hear :(
#1838 [12:49] <xales> what are the specs of it? RAM, CPU?
#1839 [12:50] <xales> I gotta go, GV can help though
#1840 [12:50] <deem> athlon 64 x2 6000+ // 4gb (32bit) so 3.5 gb
#1841 [12:51] <deem> running vista on it
#1842 [12:53] <GreyVulpine> 'net connection?
#1843 [12:53] <GreyVulpine> How's the server hooked up?
#1844 [12:53] <GreyVulpine> What sort of NIC does it have?
#1845 [12:54] <deem> her comp is a shes got an intel core 2 6600 (2.4ghz 2cpu) - 32bit and 3.5gb ram - the conn. is vdsl 16kmbit
#1846 [12:54] <deem> nic?
#1847 [12:54] <GreyVulpine> network card
#1848 [12:54] <deem> err sec
#1849 [12:55] <deem> well its just some built in network card ... where can i look that up?
#1850 [12:55] <GreyVulpine> Windows?
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#1852 [12:56] <deem> only says NVidia nforce networking controller
#1853 [12:57] <GreyVulpine> Hmm
#1854 [12:58] <GreyVulpine> And the server?
#1855 [12:58] <deem> running it from my comp :)
#1856 [12:59] <GreyVulpine> What's the NIC on the server?
#1857 [12:59] <deem> how do i look that up?
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#1859 [13:00] <GreyVulpine> Same place
#1860 [13:00] <GreyVulpine> control panel -> system -> hardware -> device manager
#1861 [13:01] <deem> well what i told you - my comp = the server
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#1863 [13:01] <deem> or i dont get what you mean :-/
#1864 [13:01] <GreyVulpine> So you're running an nforce NIC, as well as your gf?
#1865 [13:01] <deem> oh my gfs nic? err sec
#1866 [13:03] <deem> shes got a "Marvell Yukon 88E8056 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet-Controller
#1867 [13:03] <deem> "
#1868 [13:04] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, that should be fine then..
#1869 [13:04] <deem> thats the point ... why shouldnt my comp handle a 480mb map? :-/
#1870 [13:04] <deem> 430 it even is i think
#1871 [13:05] <deem> ports forwarded aswell
#1872 [13:05] <deem> as well as firewall settings
#1873 [13:06] <deem> another friend is trying now
#1874 [13:06] <deem> the warning currently appears
#1875 [13:07] <vanzo> hi, i'm italian sorry for the bad english. I'm trying to get the gift code, but the last step doesn't work. i've followed every survey...
#1876 [13:07] <GreyVulpine> survey?
#1877 [13:07] <vanzo> yes
#1878 [13:07] <vanzo> http://minecraftgiftcodes.com/2.html
#1879 [13:07] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, you normally buy a gift code
#1880 [13:07] <GreyVulpine> That's not an official site
#1881 [13:08] <vanzo> i've found the link on the official site
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#1883 [13:08] <deem> He aswell got kicked from the server - timed out.
#1884 [13:08] <GreyVulpine> Not on any official site I've seen
#1885 [13:09] <Postoffice> where can i give feedback and things that ca be changed/added in mincraft? :P
#1886 [13:09] <GreyVulpine> Postoffice - http://www.getsatisfaction.com/mojang
#1887 [13:10] <GreyVulpine> deem - I don't know, try having somebody else connect.
#1888 [13:10] <Postoffice> thanks grey :)
#1889 [13:10] <vanzo> thanks anyway
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#1893 [13:17] <Sevaldsen> Hello! can anyon help me??!
#1894 [13:17] <GreyVulpine> With
#1895 [13:18] <Sevaldsen> i have a problem when i am trying to join a multiplayer survival server...
#1896 [13:18] <GreyVulpine> What's the problem?
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#1898 [13:18] <Sevaldsen> It says....Connection refused - connect
#1899 [13:19] <GreyVulpine> Then the server you're trying to connect to, is either down, or doesn't have the right address
#1900 [13:19] <GreyVulpine> Try a different server
#1901 [13:19] <Sevaldsen> ok...do you know of any publik servers, me and my friends can play on?
#1902 [13:20] <GreyVulpine> http://shadow-craft.net/
#1903 [13:20] <GreyVulpine> smp.shadow-craft.net
#1904 [13:20] <Sevaldsen> Thanks! :)
#1905 [13:22] <Shadow386> you guys like redirecting them there huh? xD
#1906 [13:22] <GreyVulpine> :)
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#1908 [13:22] <Mantas7776> agian down?
#1909 [13:22] <Shadow386> I plan to do something awesome though :3
#1910 [13:22] <Mantas7776> agian down?
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#1912 [13:22] <GreyVulpine> Something awesome?
#1913 [13:23] <Mantas7776> agian down?
#1914 [13:23] <Mantas7776> agian down?
#1915 [13:23] <Mantas7776> agian down?
#1916 [13:23] <Shadow386> make my freebuild into a nether (since noone is on it) and using a plugin to make it possible to teleport there, and making the nether a pvp map
#1917 [13:23] <GreyVulpine> Ah, cool
#1918 [13:23] <Shadow386> also bringing Shadow-Craft classic back as well :D
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#1920 [13:23] <Mantas7776> agian down?
#1921 [13:23] <GreyVulpine> Neat, I haven't gone to either of your servers
#1922 [13:24] <Shadow386> maybe you should :P
#1923 [13:24] <GreyVulpine> Mantas7776 - I have no idea what you're talking about, so I'm going to ignore you
#1924 [13:24] <Sevaldsen> GreyVulpine - when i go 2 the page, i cant find any IP adresses :p sorry 4 being stupid :p
#1925 [13:24] <Mantas7776> about minecraft.net
#1926 [13:24] <Mantas7776> classic
#1927 [13:24] <GreyVulpine> It's highly unnecessary to repeat yourself, over and over
#1928 [13:24] <GreyVulpine> !isdown minecraft.net
#1929 [13:24] <GreyBot> GreyVulpine: It's just you. http://minecraft.net is up.
#1930 [13:24] <Mantas7776> OVER NINE HOUSAND
#1931 [13:24] <Shadow386> Sevaldsen whatismyip.com?
#1932 [13:24] <Shadow386> its a kiddie!
#1933 [13:24] <Shadow386> another one!
#1934 [13:25] <ZeroX> hay, i bought minecraft and when i go play and write my name and pass it says: user not premium
#1935 [13:25] <Sevaldsen> what? am talking about servers...
#1936 [13:25] <Mantas7776> !isdown http://www.minecraft.net/servers.jsp
#1937 [13:25] <GreyBot> Mantas7776: It's just you. http://www.minecraft.net is up.
#1938 [13:25] <ZeroX> hay, i bought minecraft and when i go play and write my name and pass it says: user not premium
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#1940 [13:25] <Mantas7776> not net
#1941 [13:25] <Mantas7776> server.jsp
#1942 [13:25] <Mantas7776> !isdown http://www.minecraft.net/servers.jsp
#1943 [13:25] <GreyBot> Mantas7776: It's just you. http://www.minecraft.net is up.
#1944 [13:25] <Shadow386> same thing Mantas7776
#1945 [13:25] <Sevaldsen> yeah...but i dont mean classics...
#1946 [13:25] <ZeroX> hay, i bought minecraft and when i go play and write my name and pass it says: user not premium, can someone help me??
#1947 [13:26] <Shadow386> Sevaldsen oh, yeah IP is smp.shadow-craft.net
#1948 [13:26] <Shadow386> http://shadow-craft.net is where you register to play
#1949 [13:26] <Mantas7776> just wait 4 hours
#1950 [13:26] <Mantas7776> and u can pla
#1951 [13:26] <Mantas7776> and u can play
#1952 [13:26] <Shadow386> I have a whitelist set up and grief protections to fix problems
#1953 [13:26] <GreyVulpine> ZeroX - It can take some time for the purchase to come through
#1954 [13:26] <Sevaldsen> Shadow386 - do i can type that into minecraft mutiplayer?? :)
#1955 [13:26] <Sevaldsen> so**
#1956 [13:26] <ZeroX> i am just alredy waited about 3h
#1957 [13:26] <deem> i have another server related question ... are the coordinates saved when you leave a beta server so you spawn at the same spot you left when coming back?
#1958 [13:26] <Shadow386> yus
#1959 [13:26] <Sevaldsen> ok :) thaaanks! :D
#1960 [13:26] <deem> since that could be a major problem with my server since i edited
#1961 [13:27] <Shadow386> deem yes
#1962 [13:27] <Shadow386> but
#1963 [13:27] <deem> is there a way to delete those entries so ppl already been on my server get to respawn somewhere else?
#1964 [13:27] <Shadow386> if you edit it, might be best to tell players to type /spawn when they spawn
#1965 [13:27] <deem> ok i will
#1966 [13:27] <deem> thank you very much
#1967 [13:28] <Shadow386> or you can delete their files in the players folder inside world, but you would also be deleting inventory
#1968 [13:28] <deem> that is my least problem
#1969 [13:28] <Shadow386> then there you go
#1970 [13:29] <deem> ok i just connected to my own server
#1971 [13:29] <deem> it loaded
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#1973 [13:30] <deem> and then it was like floating mid-air /spawn did nothing (will delete the files) - after around 20 sec i got d/ced
#1974 [13:30] <Shadow386> and this is why I'm +v, I got noob advice but it works :3
#1975 [13:32] <deem> the server just gave me this, when my gf was on the server again: Anariell lost connection: disconnect.endOfStream
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#1977 [13:34] <deem> so is that a connection issue b/c my inet connection is too bad for the load that gets transferred or is it something else?
#1978 [13:34] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, deem, can you try with just a fresh copy of the map?
#1979 [13:35] <GreyVulpine> If it's not the map, then I'm inclined to say it's the computer's network card
#1980 [13:35] <GreyVulpine> Update network drivers..
#1981 [13:35] <deem> ill set up a new server ... sec
#1982 [13:35] <deem> btw
#1983 [13:35] <deem> yesterday they could run around on the server yes
#1984 [13:35] <deem> when it was randomly generated stuff
#1985 [13:38] <deem> yes still works when not loading the big one
#1986 [13:38] <GreyVulpine> Hmm
#1987 [13:38] <GreyVulpine> Did you modify the big map in any way with a map editor, or through mods?
#1988 [13:38] <deem> may i have messed up something in the map editor then?
#1989 [13:38] <deem> editor yes
#1990 [13:38] <GreyVulpine> What did you change?
#1991 [13:39] <deem> a whole lot of things -.-
#1992 [13:39] <GreyVulpine> Could you give me a short list?
#1993 [13:39] <GreyVulpine> player spawns, deleting chunks, creating chunks..
#1994 [13:39] <GreyVulpine> Did you move any players, did you add any schematics?
#1995 [13:40] <deem> basically i took the existing server map and deleted everything in it, created a base of 4000x7000 blocks (many chunks) set the spawn to the middle of the map
#1996 [13:40] <GreyVulpine> Okay. Nothing is overhead the spawn point, correct? The spawn is not lodged underneath any overhangs, or underground?
#1997 [13:41] <deem> that is true, only "Air" its basically just a big block without anything but the spawn on it - the block itself is 4000x7000x14 big
#1998 [13:42] <deem> we wanna use it as a basis for a project
#1999 [13:42] <GreyVulpine> I've never used MCedit to create chunks myself, I don't know how bug-free it is
#2000 [13:42] <GreyVulpine> Only used it to edit an existing map, add/replace blocks/schematics
#2001 [13:42] <deem> hmhm
#2002 [13:43] <deem> well we kinda need that huge area since we are building a town
#2003 [13:43] <GreyVulpine> There is a bug with moving the spawn point in a bad location, that sometimes messes with joining a server
#2004 [13:43] <deem> ok
#2005 [13:43] <GreyVulpine> Especially if that spawn point is inside something
#2006 [13:43] <deem> any chance getting that fixed then?
#2007 [13:43] <deem> without having to delete the map?
#2008 [13:43] <GreyVulpine> I couldn't tell you, without looking at the map myself.
#2009 [13:44] <deem> since it took me like 20 hours to get started and done
#2010 [13:44] <GreyVulpine> Try loading the map in single player, see if it errors out, or takes longer than usual to load
#2011 [13:44] <deem> 430mb is a bit large for a fast "look"
#2012 [13:44] <GreyVulpine> Ah geez
#2013 [13:44] <deem> ok how do i do that? does it have to be in the .minecraft folder in apps
#2014 [13:44] <GreyVulpine> Right
#2015 [13:45] <GreyVulpine> All you gotta do is move the 'world' folder from the server, and rename it to world(x), where (x) is the save slot you want in apps
#2016 [13:45] <deem> when i renamed the server the map is named after the server right?
#2017 [13:46] <GreyVulpine> The server's world location is named in server.properties, under the level-name
#2018 [13:46] <GreyVulpine> That's the folder the server expects to be named as
#2019 [13:46] <deem> yes it creates a folder with the same name
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#2021 [13:50] <deem> thats weird
#2022 [13:50] <deem> it says 60 min
#2023 [13:50] <deem> o.O
#2024 [13:51] <GreyVulpine> ?
#2025 [13:52] <deem> it takes me an hour to copy 80 mbyte o.O
#2026 [13:53] <deem> user/appdata/.minecraft/saves is the correct folder isnt it?
#2027 [13:53] <deem> to copy to
#2028 [13:54] <deem> appdata/roaming/minecraft/saves i mean
#2029 [13:54] <GreyVulpine> yes
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#2031 [13:59] <DopeGhoti> deem: for best results, use %AppData% which will be the right location no matter whicih version of Windows NT you're running.
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#2033 [14:02] <Zanasj> hi
#2034 [14:02] <deem> hello
#2035 [14:02] <DopeGhoti> 'lo
#2036 [14:02] <Zanasj> I've got a problem
#2037 [14:02] <DopeGhoti> ?? ask
#2038 [14:02] <VoxelHead> ask: Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help, and be as specific as possible.
#2039 [14:02] <VoxelHead> ask: If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#2040 [14:02] <Zanasj> awesome
#2041 [14:02] <Zanasj> well, I can't buy the game. it gives an error message "Unable to complete secure transaction"
#2042 [14:02] <deem> that still does not solve your problem ;)
#2043 [14:02] <DopeGhoti> Using a prepaid "credit" card?
#2044 [14:03] <Zanasj> it's not prepaid.
#2045 [14:03] <DopeGhoti> What sort is it- from an actual bank or somesuch?
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#2047 [14:03] <Zanasj> visa electron. actual bank. I've succesfully enabled the web payment(s) option.
#2048 [14:04] <DopeGhoti> Zanasj: you might want to call them; their helpful counterfraud measures might be blocking the international transaction.
#2049 [14:04] <DopeGhoti> Alternatively, use it to fund a PayPal account, and use PayPal.
#2050 [14:05] <Zanasj> so what's this then. "Opera has detected that this website does not have consistent support for secure TLS renegotiation. Connections to those parts of the site lacking this support will be refused. The site owner must fix the site." ?
#2051 [14:06] <GreyVulpine> For what site Zanasj?
#2052 [14:06] <GreyVulpine> I use opera all the time
#2053 [14:06] <GreyVulpine> Haven't seen that error
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#2055 [14:07] <Zanasj> Greyvulpine: it appears when I tried to buy minecraft, filled credit card info and such.
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#2057 [14:07] <GreyVulpine> Through the credit app, or through paypal
#2058 [14:07] <Zanasj> credit app on the site
#2059 [14:09] <GreyVulpine> Hmm
#2060 [14:09] <GreyVulpine> Haven't seen that
#2061 [14:11] <DopeGhoti> it could be a problem with the payment processing site
#2062 [14:15] <Zanasj> right, thanks. I'll check my bank account & card settings tomorrow for good measure... since the error message appeared immediately, I guess it didn't even try to charge me. hopefully.
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#2065 [14:30] <DopeGhoti> Zanasj: I'm inclined to agree. Good luck!
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#2070 [14:41] <Elvang> !check 174.36.60.18:25565
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#2073 [14:49] <Drule> HELLO!
#2074 [14:49] <Drule> I sent 4 mails to MC support because they overcharged me
#2075 [14:49] <Drule> and I haven't received a single reply
#2076 [14:49] <Drule> and its been like
#2077 [14:49] <Drule> a month
#2078 [14:50] <GreyVulpine> Support@mojang.com has, last time we heard, over 30k emails in backlog
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#2085 [15:06] <DopeGhoti> Drule: overcharged you? How so?
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#2089 [15:15] <Rui_rui> Hello~
#2090 [15:15] <DopeGhoti> 'lo
#2091 [15:16] <Rui_rui> My good fellow minecrafter, could you tell me why I'm having such trouble getting online?
#2092 [15:16] <DopeGhoti> Could you be more specific?
#2093 [15:17] <Rui_rui> Well, in general, I have a lot of difficultly going to one single server... Usually I get timed out when it tries to log me in.
#2094 [15:18] <feenyx> have you tried any other servers?
#2095 [15:18] <Rui_rui> Right now, though, I'm getting a "Failed to login: User not premium" message
#2096 [15:18] <Rui_rui> No matter what server I put in.
#2097 [15:18] <feenyx> what's your minecraft account name?
#2098 [15:18] <Rui_rui> Rui_rui.
#2099 [15:18] <feenyx> !check rui_rui
#2100 [15:19] <feenyx> that's the name you'd use to log on to minecraft.net, the website, yes?
#2101 [15:19] <Rui_rui> Yep.
#2102 [15:19] <DopeGhoti> !paid rui_rui
#2103 [15:19] <Rui_rui> Logged in right now, actually.
#2104 [15:19] * feenyx facepalms for a bit
#2104 [15:19] <DopeGhoti> what server are you trying to play on?
#2105 [15:19] <Drule> DopeGhoti: I didn't get my activation key when I was supposed to, so I bought the game twice.
#2106 [15:19] <Drule> and then the activation key dropped in like
#2107 [15:19] <Drule> two-three days later
#2108 [15:20] <Drule> I don't need it and don't want it
#2109 [15:20] <Drule> and i've sent them like, four e-mails about it
#2110 [15:20] <Rui_rui> Right now I'm trying to get into 173.74.238.179:25565
#2111 [15:20] <DopeGhoti> Drule: email daniel@mojang.com; that's got a smaller backlok than support@ and payments@
#2112 [15:20] <feenyx> [20:49:43] <@GreyVulpine> Support@mojang.com has, last time we heard, over 30k emails in backlog
#2113 [15:20] <Drule> DopeGhoti could you clarify
#2114 [15:20] <feenyx> Patience will most certainly be a virtue
#2115 [15:20] <DopeGhoti> !check 173.74.238.179
#2116 [15:20] <Drule> are you telling me to email that address?
#2117 [15:21] <DopeGhoti> Drule: send an email to daniel@mojang.com explaining the problem. You will get an answer more quickly than one to support@ or payments@.
#2118 [15:21] <Drule> okay
#2119 [15:21] <feenyx> DopeGhoti: only until everyone else starts doing the same, though :p
#2120 [15:21] <DopeGhoti> feenyx: sadly, yes
#2121 [15:21] <GreyVulpine> Too late
#2122 [15:21] <DopeGhoti> heh
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#2124 [15:22] <DopeGhoti> Rui_rui: that server seems operational from here.
#2125 [15:22] <Rui_rui> The one I want to get into most, though, is 69.197.191.140:25565. And that one just gets me a Timed Out.
#2126 [15:23] <Rui_rui> I believe my friends get timed out as well...
#2127 [15:23] <feenyx> there's no need to specify ports unless it's running on a non-standard one
#2128 [15:23] <DopeGhoti> !check 69.197.191.140
#2129 [15:24] <Rui_rui> Do you mean the :25565?
#2130 [15:24] <feenyx> Rui_rui: indeed ):
#2131 [15:24] <DopeGhoti> Just so.
#2132 [15:24] <feenyx> :)
#2133 [15:24] <feenyx> 173.74.238.179 give me a "Server Full"
#2134 [15:25] <feenyx> the other one responds, but seems to be timing out
#2135 [15:25] <Rui_rui> Brb just a moment
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#2137 [15:26] <Rui_rui> Okay, I'm here.
#2138 [15:26] <Rui_rui> So is there any explanation for the timing out? What does it usually mean?
#2139 [15:27] <GreyVulpine> client not returning an "I'm active" ping to the server
#2140 [15:27] <GreyVulpine> Could be a crap client, a crap server, a crap connection between them..
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#2142 [15:28] <deem> back again ... i started my map in singleplayer and it worked, tho it was pretty dark
#2143 [15:29] <Rui_rui> See, it was working just fine two days ago, when I was playing with my friends, but since yesterday, it hasn't let anyone in.
#2144 [15:29] <Rui_rui> Er, none of us, at least
#2145 [15:29] <deem> could it be that i have to do the lighting again?
#2146 [15:29] <GreyVulpine> Deem, it could be a corrupt map, that you just don't see in SP, but crops up in SMP
#2147 [15:30] <GreyVulpine> Try just generating the map as normal, and only use MCedit to move the spawn point and replace/flatten terrain
#2148 [15:31] <DopeGhoti> Rui_rui: if either the server or the client have trouble pinging minecraft.net, the connection will fail; so if you're trying to get into the server whehn the site is having trouble, it will be an "interesting" process.
#2149 [15:31] <deem> hmhm guess thats the only thing i can do then
#2150 [15:31] <GreyVulpine> Rui_rui - Have you tried a fresh copy of the server, along with the map?
#2151 [15:31] <Rui_rui> "A fresh copy"?
#2152 [15:31] <GreyVulpine> Redownload the server, start anew.
#2153 [15:32] <GreyVulpine> Migrate nothing over
#2154 [15:32] <feenyx> um
#2155 [15:32] <Rui_rui> How would I do that?
#2156 [15:32] <GreyVulpine> Wait.. is this your server?
#2157 [15:32] <feenyx> Did I miss the part where someone said he was running his own server? As far as I can tell, he's just trying to connect to other ones
#2158 [15:33] * feenyx bonks GreyVulpine
#2158 [15:33] <Rui_rui> No, this isn't my server. And I'm a she. XD
#2159 [15:33] <GreyVulpine> What, I'm having fun in Killing floor.
#2160 [15:33] <feenyx> well, she then :p
#2161 [15:33] <GreyVulpine> Kinda have my priorities elsewhere at the moment
#2162 [15:33] <GreyVulpine> Like.. not dying
#2163 [15:33] <feenyx> You can always respawn
#2164 [15:33] <feenyx> ^^
#2165 [15:33] <GreyVulpine> Not on mission maps
#2166 [15:33] <feenyx> Rui_rui: hang on a moment
#2167 [15:34] <Rui_rui> Okay.
#2168 [15:34] <feenyx> Rui_rui: try connecting to mancyclopedia.org
#2169 [15:35] <Rui_rui> Okay..
#2170 [15:35] <feenyx> if that works, it shouldn't be your end that has the problem
#2171 [15:35] <feenyx> Do you know the people running the other servers?
#2172 [15:36] <Rui_rui> No, I don't.
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#2178 [15:42] <BedRok> hello?
#2179 [15:42] * DopeGhoti waves
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#2180 [15:42] <BedRok> i need some help please.
#2181 [15:42] <DopeGhoti> ?? ask
#2182 [15:42] <VoxelHead> ask: Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help, and be as specific as possible.
#2183 [15:42] <VoxelHead> ask: If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#2184 [15:43] <BedRok> i am running minecraft in ubuntu 9.10
#2185 [15:43] <BedRok> well, not RUnning it YET. it wont work
#2186 [15:43] <BedRok> i put java -Xmx1024M -Xms512M -cp Minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame in my terminal
#2187 [15:43] <BedRok> and it comes up with the following error:
#2188 [15:43] <BedRok> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: net/minecraft/LauncherFrame
#2189 [15:43] <BedRok> Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: net.minecraft.LauncherFrame
#2190 [15:43] <BedRok> at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:202)
#2191 [15:43] <BedRok> at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
#2192 [15:43] <BedRok> at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:190)
#2193 [15:43] <GreyVulpine> Please pastebin.com it
#2194 [15:44] <GreyVulpine> Don't paste the entire error log here
#2195 [15:44] <BedRok> sorry, pastebinning it
#2196 [15:44] <BedRok> i apologise
#2197 [15:44] <BedRok> http://pastebin.com/nMDLr3N0
#2198 [15:44] <BedRok> that is the error i recieve
#2199 [15:44] <GreyVulpine> First off, are you running that command in the directory where you have minecraft.jar?
#2200 [15:45] <GreyVulpine> And second, is it named minecraft.jar, or Minecraft.jar?
#2201 [15:45] <BedRok> umm
#2202 [15:45] <BedRok> well
#2203 [15:45] <BedRok> i have minecraft.jar folder on my desktop
#2204 [15:45] <BedRok> in all lowercase
#2205 [15:45] <BedRok> that is how it downloaded
#2206 [15:45] <GreyVulpine> Okay..\
#2207 [15:45] <BedRok> and, i paste the run command in my terminal.
#2208 [15:45] <quiggle> I need help too, minecraft doesnt runs on my windows xp, it says bad video card drivers, can you help me?
#2209 [15:46] <GreyVulpine> quiggle - Then update your video drivers
#2210 [15:46] <BedRok> and i get the error that i pastebinned
#2211 [15:46] <GreyVulpine> BedRok - Are you in the directory where you have minecraft.jar?
#2212 [15:46] <GreyVulpine> Are you cd-ed to your desktop?
#2213 [15:46] <BedRok> idk how to change directories
#2214 [15:46] <GreyVulpine> "cd"
#2215 [15:46] <BedRok> i am confused, sorry, i am new to ubuntu
#2216 [15:46] <GreyVulpine> cd directory to go into a directory
#2217 [15:46] <quiggle> no, i cant
#2218 [15:46] <BedRok> i know a little about it
#2219 [15:46] <GreyVulpine> cd .. to go up
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#2221 [15:46] <GreyVulpine> quiggle - Why can't you?
#2222 [15:46] <derhoques> hi!
#2223 [15:47] <GreyVulpine> 'lo gov'na
#2224 [15:47] <BedRok> minecraft.jar is on my desktop, how would i get there?
#2225 [15:47] <GreyVulpine> BedRok - Go into your terminal right now. Type pwd
#2226 [15:47] <derhoques> I've got a problem with my furnaces...
#2227 [15:47] <GreyVulpine> What directory does it say you're in
#2228 [15:47] <DopeGhoti> BedRok: I run in Ubuntu all the time; I just right-click the .jar and pick 'Run with Java JRE'
#2229 [15:47] <derhoques> they down't work anymore
#2230 [15:47] <DopeGhoti> derhoques: runing any mods?
#2231 [15:47] <BedRok> dope: i tried that, it just stops. doesnt run anything..
#2232 [15:47] <derhoques> no
#2233 [15:47] <derhoques> not at all
#2234 [15:47] <BedRok> it doesnt do a single thing
#2235 [15:47] <derhoques> the game crashed one time
#2236 [15:48] <BedRok> pwd sais /home/dean
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#2238 [15:48] <BedRok> i am dean
#2239 [15:48] <GreyVulpine> Okay, "ls" to list the contents of that directory
#2240 [15:48] <derhoques> and everything is normal, just the furnaces don't work
#2241 [15:48] <GreyVulpine> Do you see the desktop folder there
#2242 [15:48] <BedRok> i do
#2243 [15:48] <DopeGhoti> "Desktop", not "desktop" </pedantic>
#2244 [15:48] <GreyVulpine> then type in: cd Desktop
#2245 [15:48] <BedRok> yeah, it sais Desktop
#2246 [15:48] <BedRok> alright
#2247 [15:48] <BedRok> i did
#2248 [15:48] <BedRok> it changed the text there
#2249 [15:48] <GreyVulpine> Now you should be in the desktop directory
#2250 [15:49] <BedRok> it is in the desktop yeah
#2251 [15:49] <GreyVulpine> Now do the java .... command
#2252 [15:49] <BedRok> hold on
#2253 [15:49] <GreyVulpine> make sure it's minecraft, and not Minecraft.jar
#2254 [15:49] <feenyx> Rui_rui: sudden onset narcolepsy or just busy doing other things?
#2255 [15:49] <BedRok> another error
#2256 [15:49] <BedRok> i think it is the same
#2257 [15:49] <BedRok> lemme pastebin this
#2258 [15:49] <GreyVulpine> What error?
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#2260 [15:49] <BedRok> http://pastebin.com/pNXT6PCM
#2261 [15:50] <BedRok> that is my error
#2262 [15:50] <Rui_rui> Oh, I'm here. Just talking with my friend, seeing if I could somehow find the owner of the server on the forums...
#2263 [15:50] <BedRok> after changing to the desktop directory
#2264 [15:50] <GreyVulpine> Again, make sure it's minecraft.jar, not Minecraft.jar
#2265 [15:50] <BedRok> it is all lowercase yes
#2266 [15:50] <GreyVulpine> Not according to your command line.
#2267 [15:51] <BedRok> ohhhhh
#2268 [15:51] <BedRok> yeah
#2269 [15:51] <GreyVulpine> You launched with Minecraft.jar
#2270 [15:51] <BedRok> the command is M
#2271 [15:51] <BedRok> the folder is m
#2272 [15:51] <BedRok> hold on
#2273 [15:51] <BedRok> ZOMG
#2274 [15:51] <BedRok> that easy??
#2275 [15:51] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#2276 [15:51] <BedRok> thank you so much!!
#2277 [15:51] <BedRok> lol
#2278 [15:51] <BedRok> i feel like a retard now
#2279 [15:51] <GreyVulpine> Glad to help, and no worries
#2280 [15:51] <BedRok> its so easy!! :P
#2281 [15:51] <BedRok> kk thanks, dude!
#2282 [15:52] <GreyVulpine> We're all *nix n00bs at one point, I still am
#2283 [15:52] <derhoques> so, now to my prob :D
#2284 [15:52] <Frostie> Hi, I have a small problem in singleplayer: I go into the nether, all is well, I gather whatever I want (especially glowdust for underwater lighting) and when I return to Earth, everything is well until I place the glowdust in a chest. Shortly afterwards, the game crashes and when I load the world my glowdust be gone... but everything else is still there. Also the glowstone blox in the
#2285 [15:52] <Frostie> nether which I mined are gone as well
#2286 [15:52] <derhoques> as I said, my furnaces are broken
#2287 [15:52] <GreyVulpine> derhoques - Define "broken"
#2288 [15:52] <derhoques> whatever I do, they just don't WORK
#2289 [15:52] <GreyVulpine> Walk me through, step by step, what you're doing
#2290 [15:52] <derhoques> so, the game crashed
#2291 [15:52] <derhoques> I loaded my world up
#2292 [15:53] <derhoques> "hey, everything's fine!"
#2293 [15:53] <derhoques> then i wanted to melt in some iron
#2294 [15:53] <derhoques> went to my furnace
#2295 [15:53] <derhoques> put the coal into the bottom
#2296 [15:53] <derhoques> and the iron on top
#2297 [15:53] <derhoques> and
#2298 [15:53] <derhoques> nothing
#2299 [15:53] <derhoques> happened!
#2300 [15:53] <feenyx> Rui_rui: well, I'll be away for 10-15 minutes. Do try to logon to the server I mentioned. I know it's working because I run it :p Atleast you'll know if it's your client or the other server.
#2301 [15:53] <GreyVulpine> Mine the furnace out, and replace it?
#2302 [15:54] <Rui_rui> --You mentioned a server?
#2303 [15:54] <feenyx> Rui_rui: yeah, mancyclopedia.org
#2304 [15:54] <Rui_rui> Ah, yes. I connected to that one fine.
#2305 [15:54] <feenyx> really? Server log doesn't say you did
#2306 [15:55] <derhoques> oh CRAP i'm tired
#2307 [15:55] <derhoques> i was trying to melt iron ingots
#2308 [15:55] <derhoques> thanks, anyway :D
#2309 [15:55] <Rui_rui> --Er. Do you mean on the program? XD;
#2310 [15:55] <GreyVulpine> Hah
#2311 [15:55] <feenyx> Rui_rui: yes :p
#2312 [15:55] <feenyx> not the website :p
#2313 [15:55] <Rui_rui> Yeah, I'm in.
#2314 [15:57] <Rui_rui> By chance, if I know the username of an admin, is there some way I could... look them up?
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#2316 [15:57] <GreyVulpine> look, what up?
#2317 [15:57] <lern> Hullo.
#2318 [15:57] <feenyx> Rui_rui: only if they have the same username on a forum, really
#2319 [15:57] <GreyVulpine> 'lo gov'na
#2320 [15:57] <lern> I need help.
#2321 [15:57] <feenyx> lern: morning neighbour!
#2322 [15:57] <lern> So!
#2323 [15:57] <lern> Apparently
#2324 [15:58] <lern> Any server I enter lately says this to me:
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#2326 [15:58] <Rui_rui> Is there a search function on the minecraft forums?
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#2328 [15:58] <GreyVulpine> It's called "Google" with "site:minecraftforums.net"
#2329 [15:58] <sprog> need help
#2330 [15:59] <lern> (some weird invisible-literally-message...)ernal exception: java.net.socketexception: connection reset by peer: socket write er...(continued invisiblity)
#2331 [15:59] <Rui_rui> Ooh, thanks Grey.
#2332 [15:59] <GreyVulpine> lern - First guess, brand o fnick
#2333 [15:59] <sprog> i need help with an account
#2334 [15:59] <GreyVulpine> sprog - What account? What help?
#2335 [15:59] <lern> Brand o fnick?
#2336 [15:59] <GreyVulpine> brand of network card
#2337 [15:59] <sprog> well my friend gave me his account
#2338 [16:00] <GreyVulpine> Sorry, meant to type NIC
#2339 [16:00] <lern> No idea what that is. Any shot explanation? XD
#2340 [16:00] <GreyVulpine> What operating system are you on lern?
#2341 [16:00] <GreyVulpine> sprog - Okay, continue....?
#2342 [16:00] <sprog> and he said he didn't play anymore and i cant get it right down.
#2343 [16:00] <lern> Windows 7.
#2344 [16:01] <lern> And I never had these error messages until today.
#2345 [16:01] <sprog> i cant get the name or password right
#2346 [16:01] <lern> I could connect properly to many servers which now appear to not be functioning for me.
#2347 [16:01] <GreyVulpine> sprog - You'll need to speak to him about it then.
#2348 [16:01] <sprog> so i cant get on?
#2349 [16:01] <GreyVulpine> sprog - Do you have access to his email address that he registered under?
#2350 [16:02] <sprog> dang it
#2351 [16:02] <GreyVulpine> sprog - If so, you can request a password change
#2352 [16:02] <sprog> no.
#2353 [16:02] <GreyVulpine> Otherwise, the only way to get in, is to ask him for the right username/password
#2354 [16:02] <GreyVulpine> lern - But you can connect to feenyx's server fine?
#2355 [16:02] <sprog> well are you working for the game like an admin?
#2356 [16:02] <GreyVulpine> er wait, I'm confusing you with somebody else, sorry lern
#2357 [16:03] <GreyVulpine> sprog - No, I'm not associated with mojang.
#2358 [16:03] <lern> Feenyx?
#2359 [16:03] <GreyVulpine> sorry, ignore me
#2360 [16:03] <lern> oh.
#2361 [16:03] <lern> Lawl.
#2362 [16:03] <GreyVulpine> lern - This just recently started?
#2363 [16:03] <lern> Just today.
#2364 [16:03] <GreyVulpine> On just one server? many?
#2365 [16:03] <lern> Yesterday, whilst slow, and it's always been slow on different connections- it still worked.
#2366 [16:03] <lern> All.
#2367 [16:03] <lern> Tried several.
#2368 [16:04] <GreyVulpine> Hmm
#2369 [16:04] <sprog> could i give you just the name?
#2370 [16:04] <sprog> .or would you need pass 2?
#2371 [16:04] <GreyVulpine> sprog - There's nothing I can do with it. I don't have access to accounts.
#2372 [16:05] <GreyVulpine> Nobody here does.
#2373 [16:05] <sprog> oh
#2374 [16:05] <sprog> ok well thanks any way
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#2376 [16:06] <GreyVulpine> lern - Can you go to your start menu, right click on Computer, go to properties. Along the left side is "Device manager", click on that
#2377 [16:06] <GreyVulpine> Then go find "network adapter", can you tell me the brand/model of the network adapter on your computer?
#2378 [16:07] <lern> Onnnee second.
#2379 [16:07] <lern> Oh.
#2380 [16:07] <lern> Actually I can tell you that one alone.
#2381 [16:07] <lern> Realtek PCI GBE Family controller
#2382 [16:08] <GreyVulpine> Huh, okay.
#2383 [16:08] * GreyVulpine pokes feenyx, "Your server still up?"
#2383 [16:10] <lern> Anything I can do 'en? ><
#2384 [16:11] <GreyVulpine> Um.
#2385 [16:13] <feenyx> GreyVulpine: it is indeed
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#2387 [16:13] <feenyx> I think you're whitelisted too
#2388 [16:13] <GreyVulpine> Can lern hop on, just to test?
#2389 [16:13] <feenyx> ah
#2390 [16:13] <feenyx> yes
#2391 [16:13] <feenyx> but he will need whitelisting :p
#2392 [16:13] <feenyx> hangon
#2393 [16:13] <GreyVulpine> lern - minecraft username?
#2394 [16:13] <elvae> hello, i have a problem, could somebody help me?
#2395 [16:14] <GreyVulpine> elvae - With?
#2396 [16:14] <feenyx> ?? ask
#2397 [16:14] <lern> lern. :P
#2398 [16:14] <VoxelHead> ask: Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help, and be as specific as possible.
#2399 [16:14] <VoxelHead> ask: If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#2400 [16:14] <feenyx> lern: try connecting to mancyclopedia.org
#2401 [16:14] <lern> Via MC?
#2402 [16:14] <lern> O.o
#2403 [16:14] <elvae> i´m a noob, i dont know much about chatthinks with an / or something
#2404 [16:14] <feenyx> lern: yes
#2405 [16:14] <lern> oh.
#2406 [16:14] <GreyVulpine> elvae - What is the problem you need help with?
#2407 [16:15] <elvae> so someone say, i should write in multiplyaer /hack, the monitor turns red and i cant loggin in on a server agin, what have i done
#2408 [16:15] <elvae> sorry, im not so fast in typing, english is not my native languagge
#2409 [16:15] <GreyVulpine> Probably just tripped a modded server command. I can't say for sure what that does
#2410 [16:16] <GreyVulpine> I've seen a /hack command before, but that was a long time ago, did nothing
#2411 [16:16] <lern> It's acting the same as other servers.
#2412 [16:16] * GreyVulpine pokes feenyx?
#2412 [16:16] <lern> I'm predicting it'll drop me with the same error message.
#2413 [16:16] <feenyx> GreyVulpine: he was logged in
#2414 [16:16] <lern> Nope!
#2415 [16:16] <elvae> i just wrote /hack and all was red
#2416 [16:16] <lern> Prediction is a false.
#2417 [16:17] <lern> New error message;
#2418 [16:17] <lern> "internal exception: java.net.sockettimeoutexception: read timed out
#2419 [16:17] <elvae> could that be a reason that i cant logging in a server, even i had ip and everything?
#2420 [16:23] <lern> Errr.
#2421 [16:24] <lern> Anyone still 'ere? ><
#2422 [16:24] <elvae> everytime, when i try, theres an error message, thats too much time too connecting to server,
#2423 [16:24] <elvae> me ^^
#2424 [16:27] <elvae> noone can help me?
#2425 [16:29] <lern> =/
#2426 [16:31] <GreyVulpine> lern - I'd check out your network card's properties, see if you have any "Receive buffer" or "Transmit buffer" settings
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#2428 [16:31] <GreyVulpine> Found in the device manager of windows
#2429 [16:33] <lern> How do I get these settings?
#2430 [16:33] <lern> Ah
#2431 [16:33] <lern> okay.
#2432 [16:33] <lern> one sec.
#2433 [16:33] <GreyVulpine> Can you go to your start menu, right click on Computer, go to properties. Along the left side is "Device manager", click on that
#2434 [16:33] <GreyVulpine> Then go find "network adapter"
#2435 [16:33] <lern> I did
#2436 [16:33] <GreyVulpine> Right click on the network card you have
#2437 [16:33] <lern> Where in its properties should i find the recieve/transmit settings?
#2438 [16:33] <GreyVulpine> go to properties
#2439 [16:33] <GreyVulpine> The advanced tab
#2440 [16:34] <lern> Values 128 and 512,
#2441 [16:34] <lern> If that helps in any way
#2442 [16:34] <GreyVulpine> Any way you can bump them up
#2443 [16:34] <lern> Although I doubt it.
#2444 [16:35] <lern> How?
#2445 [16:35] <GreyVulpine> Type a bigger value in the box
#2446 [16:35] <lern> Valid range is from 1-128
#2447 [16:36] <lern> And 1-512
#2448 [16:36] <lern> So basically they're at maximum values.
#2449 [16:36] <lern> And yet pretty low down
#2450 [16:36] <GreyVulpine> Hmm
#2451 [16:38] <GreyVulpine> Every error points to a problem that's very similar to an Atheros NIC, the timing out...
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#2454 [16:40] <GreyVulpine> lern - Try updating the drivers for your network card
#2455 [16:40] <vulpine> Alright, so I'm currently running Ubuntu 10.10, and MineCraft previously worked flawlessed on my Windows partition, but on Ubuntu it lags and crashes soon after I start playing it. Anything I can do to fix this problem?
#2456 [16:40] <GreyVulpine> Got an error report?
#2457 [16:40] <AndroUser> question. how are saved games stored for single player? are they local files? can they be easily transferred from machine to matching, desktop to laptop, windows to Linux?
#2458 [16:40] <Kealper> two foxes :o
#2459 [16:40] <GreyVulpine> >.>
#2460 [16:40] <GreyVulpine> Yes AndrewPH|AFK
#2461 [16:41] <GreyVulpine> er, AndroUser
#2462 [16:41] <GreyVulpine> damn tab
#2463 [16:41] <vulpine> Don't believe it gives me an error report. Sometimes it even crashes my computer.
#2464 [16:41] <GreyVulpine> AndroUser - What OS are you on?
#2465 [16:41] <vulpine> I'll try running it now and see if anything happens; If my computer does crash I'll be back soon. ;P
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#2468 [16:42] * GreyVulpine pokes Kealper.
#2468 [16:42] <AndroUser> windows on my laptop, Linux on my desktop
#2469 [16:42] <GreyVulpine> On windows, it's %appdata%/.miencraft
#2470 [16:42] <lern> Windows has determined the driver software for your device is up to date.
#2471 [16:42] <GreyVulpine> On linux, it's .minecraft in your home directory
#2472 [16:42] <lern> Any alternatives? ><
#2473 [16:42] <GreyVulpine> er, %appdata%/.minecraft
#2474 [16:42] <AndroUser> ok. Thanks!!
#2475 [16:46] <etsi> is it possible to disable nights? :b
#2476 [16:46] <lern> Etsi
#2477 [16:46] <lern> Just use the options
#2478 [16:46] <lern> and reduce the difficulty.
#2479 [16:46] <etsi> thats not it
#2480 [16:46] <etsi> the dark just annoys me
#2481 [16:46] <GreyVulpine> Not without modding the game etsi
#2482 [16:46] <etsi> having to put up torches everywhere
#2483 [16:46] <etsi> okok
#2484 [16:46] <etsi> hopefully itll come later
#2485 [16:47] * GreyVulpine pokes etsi with: http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=54593#time
#2485 [16:48] <lern> Vulpine, not to nag or be annoying as heck
#2486 [16:48] <GreyVulpine> "This mod allows you to scroll the sun by holding a modifier key and scrolling your mousewheel."
#2487 [16:48] <lern> But I will have to go soon, so I'd rather try and at least find a reason for my problem
#2488 [16:48] <GreyVulpine> lern - Sorry, I'm looking for any fixes for your problem, I can't seem to find any at the moment.
#2489 [16:48] <etsi> thanks, GLaDOS
#2490 [16:48] <etsi> GreyVulpine *
#2491 [16:48] <GreyVulpine> I'm almost betting it's the NIC
#2492 [16:49] <lern> =/
#2493 [16:49] <vulpine> alright so I'm running Minecraft right now, it has yet to crash although my computer is lagging horribly. No idea why.
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#2496 [16:49] <GreyVulpine> lern - Other than trying on a different computer, or maybe buying a new network card, I can't troubleshoot this further
#2497 [16:50] <lern> =/
#2498 [16:50] <vulpine> Alright, so I'm currently running Ubuntu 10.10, and MineCraft previously worked flawlessed on my Windows partition, but on Ubuntu it lags and crashes soon after I start playing it.
#2499 [16:50] <vulpine> I'm running MineCraft right now, it has yet to crash, but my computer is lagging horribly.
#2500 [16:51] <lern> I've got a different computer, my brother's, and it's MUCH better, but he doesn't really let me download anything there.
#2501 [16:51] <GreyVulpine> vulpine - How are you launching minecraft? Are you dual-booting, do you have ubuntu in a VM?
#2502 [16:51] <GreyVulpine> What are your system specs?
#2503 [16:52] <GreyVulpine> lern - I'm sorry, I don't know what to say. Can you talk to him into letting you try it out?
#2504 [16:52] <Dreath01> i need some help with figuring out why minecraft in the browser won't run... can someone figure this out?
#2505 [16:52] <SkiingPenguins> what happens Dreath01 ?
#2506 [16:52] <xales> ??> Dreath01 ask
#2507 [16:52] <VoxelHead> Dreath01: (ask) Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help, and be as specific as possible.
#2508 [16:52] <VoxelHead> Dreath01: (ask) If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#2509 [16:53] <xales> in other words, "why won't it run"
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#2511 [16:53] <Dreath01> the applet loader goes to switch then i get an error
#2512 [16:53] <GreyVulpine> What error?
#2513 [16:53] <GreyVulpine> Can you pastebin it?
#2514 [16:54] <Dreath01> pastebin? not sure what that is lol
#2515 [16:54] <Matt_> lol
#2516 [16:54] <xales> ?? pastebin
#2517 [16:54] <VoxelHead> pastebin: Pasting into IRC is called "flooding" and is not permitted - you should use a service such as http://pastebin.com/ to paste anything longer than ONE LINE. If you are unsure, use Pastebin.
#2518 [16:54] <VoxelHead> pastebin: These services allow you to paste the text on their site, then share a short link that allows us to see the full text you pasted
#2519 [16:54] <aetherian> ahh
#2520 [16:55] <aetherian> newbot...
#2521 [16:55] <SkiingPenguins> xales i see what you did there
#2522 [16:55] <xales> SkiingPenguins: :P
#2523 [16:55] <xales> anyway
#2524 [16:55] * xales back to afkland =/
#2524 [16:56] * SkiingPenguins goes back to xbox
#2524 [16:56] <Dreath01> i can't it wont let me prtscreen it..
#2525 [16:56] <aetherian> ...
#2526 [16:56] <aetherian> can't you copy text?
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#2528 [16:56] <Dreath01> won't highlight lol
#2529 [16:56] <Matt_> Hey, i'm having a problem with minecraft freezing and then bombing out
#2530 [16:56] <Matt_> here's the error report
#2531 [16:56] <Matt_> http://pastebin.com/LjzcmQ4k
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#2533 [16:58] <GreyVulpine> Matt_ - Are you using any mods?
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#2535 [16:58] <Matt_> yes, but the problem occured before mods, also using a server hosting company... no mod 'on' my comp
#2536 [16:59] <vulpine> Yup, MineCraft crashed my comp.
#2537 [17:00] <Dreath01> ok so its just a pixel format not accexelorated
#2538 [17:00] <Dreath01> yes i can't spell
#2539 [17:00] <aetherian> heh
#2540 [17:00] <GreyVulpine> Dreath01 - Then you need to update your video drivers
#2541 [17:01] <GreyVulpine> Matt_ - Can you try minecraft without mods, see if that fixes anything?
#2542 [17:01] <GreyVulpine> Try a fresh install of minecraft with:
#2543 [17:01] <GreyVulpine> !reinstall
#2544 [17:01] <Dreath01> wonderful... thanks mate
#2545 [17:02] <Matt_> GreyVulpine, i can... however, i didn't have mods a couple days ago, and the same report occured
#2546 [17:02] <Matt_> would in browser help at all?
#2547 [17:02] <GreyVulpine> Uses the same java...
#2548 [17:02] <Matt_> hm.
#2549 [17:02] <Matt_> It's annoying to say the least, i can be on MY server for about 8 seconds... then freeze/quit
#2550 [17:03] <Matt_> is there anything i can do to be able to have mods?
#2551 [17:03] <Matt_> other than loading windows on my machine?
#2552 [17:04] <GreyVulpine> Just a sec..
#2553 [17:04] <GreyVulpine> I think getsatisfaction had a report on mac 10.6 stuff...
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#2555 [17:07] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, nope, was 10.4
#2556 [17:07] <mib_jy1jig> hello
#2557 [17:07] <mib_jy1jig> i was wondering if i could get some help
#2558 [17:08] <GreyVulpine> ?? ask
#2559 [17:08] <VoxelHead> ask: Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help, and be as specific as possible.
#2560 [17:08] <VoxelHead> ask: If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#2561 [17:08] <mib_jy1jig> i have a minecraft server, and i was wondering, how do i use the ops system in the notes
#2562 [17:08] <mib_jy1jig> i wana make admin, ops and stuff
#2563 [17:08] <GreyVulpine> Add yourself, and anybody who needs to be an op, in the ops.txt file
#2564 [17:08] <GreyVulpine> One name per line
#2565 [17:08] <Matt_> http://getsatisfaction.com/mojang/topics/_mac_consistent_crash_very_regular_any_view_setting_errorreport Greyvulpine
#2566 [17:08] <GreyVulpine> Then restart the server
#2567 [17:09] <mib_jy1jig> what does this do?
#2568 [17:09] <mib_jy1jig> useable commands?
#2569 [17:10] <GreyVulpine> Adds the ability to /tp, edit blocks around spawn, as well as op others, and a few other stuff
#2570 [17:11] <GreyVulpine> Matt_ - Hmm, try the solution on that page?
#2571 [17:11] <mib_jy1jig> is there a link to a list of the commands? and other things about the ops, im new to the server thing
#2572 [17:11] <GreyVulpine> By "levayyoung"?
#2573 [17:11] <GreyVulpine> mib_jy1jig - http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Op
#2574 [17:12] <mib_jy1jig> thank you verry much ;)
#2575 [17:12] <GreyVulpine> Or actually.
#2576 [17:12] <GreyVulpine> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/SMP_Server_commands
#2577 [17:12] <GreyVulpine> That's more up to date
#2578 [17:12] <Matt_> mmkay
#2579 [17:12] <Matt_> brb
#2580 [17:14] <Matt_> 19 minutes... I've verified quite a bit, maybe it built up recently?
#2581 [17:16] <Matt_> Greyvulpine, it's verified, looks A-OKAy
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#2583 [17:19] <mib_jy1jig> question: is op the highest rank in beta? im the creator, do i have any speacial benefits?
#2584 [17:19] <Matt_> creator = admin always
#2585 [17:19] <GreyVulpine> Only if you make yourself op
#2586 [17:19] <Matt_> if you go in through the server exe you are able to spawn items...
#2587 [17:20] <mib_jy1jig> the server exe?
#2588 [17:20] <Matt_> there are mods for even more 'abilities'
#2589 [17:20] <GreyVulpine> And sure, you have one special benefit, you have control over the server itself, and can turn it off at a time of your choosing
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#2591 [17:20] <DopeGhoti> GreyVulpine: for the record, restarting isn't needed if you just use the op command from the console (:
#2592 [17:20] <mib_jy1jig> ok
#2593 [17:20] <GreyVulpine> Yes, but it is needed if you change ops.txt
#2594 [17:21] <buckb> Hey... Im runnning on Mac trying to install craft bukkit and when i try to use chmod a+x on the start.command file in terminal...it says permission denied
#2595 [17:21] <buckb> Hey... Im runnning on Mac trying to install craft bukkit and when i try to use chmod a+x on the start.command file in terminal...it says permission denied
#2596 [17:21] <mib_jy1jig> if you go in through the server exe you are able to spawn items..., how do i go in through the server exe? i just load minecraft and type in the ip to my server
#2597 [17:21] <GreyVulpine> try sudo chmod a+x
#2598 [17:21] <buckb> okkkkk
#2599 [17:21] <DopeGhoti> ??> buckb mods
#2600 [17:21] <VoxelHead> buckb: (mods) This channel is not a venue for support with third-party mods. For assistance with Bukkit, check #Bukkit
#2601 [17:21] <VoxelHead> buckb: (mods) For assistance with many other mods, check #RisuCraft; Mod help here is more likely once the official API is revealed.
#2602 [17:22] <buckb> They helped me last time
#2603 [17:22] <Matt_> buckb, i just loaded craftbukkit and i can no longer play minecraft
#2604 [17:22] <Matt_> just FYI
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#2606 [17:22] <buckb> why not matt_?
#2607 [17:22] <Matt_> java something..
#2608 [17:22] <Matt_> i have no idea
#2609 [17:22] <Guard> Hey guys , I can't see names through walls in SMP
#2610 [17:22] <buckb> ohhh thanks
#2611 [17:22] <Matt_> and no solution :(
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#2613 [17:22] <Matt_> Guard, that's a feature?
#2614 [17:22] <Guard> No.
#2615 [17:22] <xales> mib_jy1jig: are you running the server?
#2616 [17:22] <GreyVulpine> mib_jy1jig - once you op yourself, you can use the /give command
#2617 [17:23] <Guard> Normaly you can see name tags through walls
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#2619 [17:23] <GreyVulpine> /give playername id number
#2620 [17:23] <Guard> i can not.
#2621 [17:23] <Matt_> guard, depending on thickness of walls, or if players are 'sneak'ing
#2622 [17:23] <Guard> Reguardless of thickness
#2623 [17:23] <GreyVulpine> You can find the id of a block here. http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Data_values
#2624 [17:23] <Guard> like if they are in a 2 block high room
#2625 [17:23] <Guard> I can't see their name
#2626 [17:23] <Matt_> maybe if you are too close, the name disappears
#2627 [17:23] <Guard> no , not to close.
#2628 [17:23] <Matt_> or vertical difference?
#2629 [17:24] <DopeGhoti> Todo: block type lookups for VoxelHead as in $otherplace
#2630 [17:24] <Guard> nope
#2631 [17:24] <GreyVulpine> DopeGhoti - That would rock
#2632 [17:24] <Guard> just about 5 blocks away
#2633 [17:24] <Matt_> hm. reinstall, i'd say.
#2634 [17:24] <Guard> hmm.
#2635 [17:24] <DopeGhoti> GreyVulpine: I already have it implemented elsewhere, I just need to port it to.. *shudder* TCL
#2636 [17:24] <Guard> remove the appdata folder?
#2637 [17:24] <GreyVulpine> Heh
#2638 [17:24] <xales> ??> Guard reinst/win
#2639 [17:24] <VoxelHead> Guard: (reinst/win) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#2640 [17:24] <VoxelHead> Guard: (reinst/win) To do so, press Win+R, type in %AppData%, and press Enter. In the window that appears, open the .minecraft directory, and delete the bin directory that you see therein. Then, try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
#2641 [17:25] <Matt_> I have this problem, http://pastebin.com/LjzcmQ4k and to fix it i need to install windows essentially?
#2642 [17:26] <xales> Matt_: I've seen that before
#2643 [17:26] <xales> what model of Mac are you trying to run it on?
#2644 [17:26] * GreyVulpine points at OS Version: Mac OS X 10.6.6 (10J567)
#2644 [17:26] <xales> also, try launching it from the jar
#2645 [17:26] <xales> GreyVulpine: hardware model
#2646 [17:26] <GreyVulpine> Oh
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#2648 [17:27] <Fuze> Anyone possibly help me with zshark's mo'creatures mod?
#2649 [17:27] <xales> ??> Fuze mods
#2650 [17:27] <VoxelHead> Fuze: (mods) This channel is not a venue for support with third-party mods. For assistance with Bukkit, check #Bukkit
#2651 [17:27] <VoxelHead> Fuze: (mods) For assistance with many other mods, check #RisuCraft; Mod help here is more likely once the official API is revealed.
#2652 [17:27] <Matt_> xales, imac
#2653 [17:27] <xales> Matt_: what year?
#2654 [17:27] <Matt_> erm
#2655 [17:28] <Matt_> iMac10,1
#2656 [17:28] <Matt_> ?
#2657 [17:28] <Matt_> not sure where to find year.
#2658 [17:28] <xales> ehh, sorta. can you find what graphics card it has in System Profiler?
#2659 [17:28] <Matt_> yes
#2660 [17:28] * GreyVulpine points at the error log again
#2660 [17:28] <GreyVulpine> Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce 9400, NVIDIA GeForce 9400, PCI, 256 MB
#2661 [17:29] <Matt_> NVIDIA GeForce 9400
#2662 [17:29] <Matt_> ^
#2663 [17:29] <xales> >.>
#2664 [17:29] <xales> ok
#2665 [17:29] <xales> try launching it from the jar
#2666 [17:29] <xales> !client
#2667 [17:29] <xales> ^download the "for linux" one
#2668 [17:29] <xales> and save it on your desktop
#2669 [17:29] <Matt_> done
#2670 [17:30] <xales> open Terminal (in Applications->Utilities)
#2671 [17:30] <Matt_> k
#2672 [17:30] <xales> and run the command 'java -Xms1024M -Xmx1024M -jar Desktop/minecraft.jar'
#2673 [17:30] <Matt_> k
#2674 [17:30] <Matt_> its on
#2675 [17:31] <Matt_> and now it's not
#2676 [17:31] <xales> same crash?
#2677 [17:31] <Matt_> should i paste bin that error report?
#2678 [17:31] <xales> is it the same thing?
#2679 [17:31] <Matt_> i don't think so
#2680 [17:31] <Matt_> maybe?
#2681 [17:31] <Matt_> i really suck at interpreting
#2682 [17:32] <Matt_> the process is different
#2683 [17:32] <xales> yeah, pastebin it then
#2684 [17:32] <Matt_> instead of javaapplicationstub, its just java [6692]
#2685 [17:32] <Matt_> http://pastebin.com/W3bqAFs7
#2686 [17:33] <Matt_> i can also pastebin the terminal log?
#2687 [17:33] <xales> no, I don't think that will have much of anything
#2688 [17:33] <xales> have you tried reinstalling Minecraft?
#2689 [17:34] <Matt_> Invalid memory access of location 0x0 rip=0x200012910
#2690 [17:34] <Matt_> Segmentation fault
#2691 [17:35] <Matt_> that was the terminal log... if that helps
#2692 [17:35] <Matt_> reinstalling now.
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#2694 [17:37] <Guard> Totally removing .minecraft with killbox and redownloading the client fixed my problem
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#2696 [17:37] <Matt_> i used appcleaner
#2697 [17:37] <SkiingPenguins> ever used the task manager?
#2698 [17:37] <Matt_> mac osx?
#2699 [17:37] <Matt_> xales, i reinstalled, now when i join my server it says kicked by admin
#2700 [17:38] <Matt_> although nothing shows up in MyMcAdmin
#2701 [17:38] <xales> appcleaner won't uninstall it properly afaik
#2702 [17:38] <xales> ?? reinst/mac
#2703 [17:38] <VoxelHead> reinst/mac: You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#2704 [17:38] <VoxelHead> reinst/mac: To do so, in the Finder, from the Go menu, select Home. Then open Library, Application Support, and then minecraft. Drag the bin folder to the trash, then try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
#2705 [17:38] <SkiingPenguins> why dont people manually delete things
#2706 [17:38] <Matt_> lol
#2707 [17:38] <Matt_> always thought it was harder to get it all manually
#2708 [17:39] <xales> most of the stuff those programs delete is just dumb, because the system cleans it up by itself
#2709 [17:39] <xales> excluding stuff in appsupport
#2710 [17:39] <xales> which is supposed to persist
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#2712 [17:40] <Matt_> okay
#2713 [17:40] <Matt_> deleted that file
#2714 [17:40] <Matt_> deleted everything minecraft
#2715 [17:40] <Matt_> reinstalled, again
#2716 [17:41] <Matt_> now logging on
#2717 [17:41] <Matt_> well. goodnews badnews
#2718 [17:41] <xales> ?
#2719 [17:41] <Matt_> it bombed out... but at least it didn't freeze for 30 seconds first.
#2720 [17:41] <xales> "bombed out"?
#2721 [17:42] <Matt_> minecraft quit unexpectedly...
#2722 [17:42] <Matt_> *cue* apple error report
#2723 [17:42] <xales> does singleplayer work?
#2724 [17:43] <Matt_> checking...
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#2726 [17:44] <AndrewPH|AFK> GreyVulpine, you ping me, you die nao!
#2727 [17:44] <xales> AndrewPH|AFK:
#2728 [17:44] <xales> AndrewPH|AFK:
#2729 [17:44] <aetherian> ...
#2730 [17:44] <SkiingPenguins> AndrewPH|AFK you having some personal issues?
#2731 [17:44] <Matt_> xales, singleplayer does NOT work
#2732 [17:44] <xales> Matt_: does it do the same thing?
#2733 [17:44] <AndrewPH|AFK> SkiingPenguins, it was me referring to the past ping of his.
#2734 [17:45] <Matt_> um yes
#2735 [17:45] <Matt_> same error report as the first
#2736 [17:45] <Matt_> 'javaapplicationstub [6757]
#2737 [17:45] <xales> Matt_: try launching it through the jar again, instead of the .app
#2738 [17:45] <AndrewPH|AFK> aetherian, I meant hilight but that works too
#2739 [17:45] <aetherian> lol
#2740 [17:45] <Matt_> kk, what was that terminal code xales?
#2741 [17:45] <aetherian> it said 3672.03 seconds o.o
#2742 [17:45] <xales> java -Xmx1024M -Xms1024M -jar Desktop/minecraft.jar
#2743 [17:46] <AndrewPH|AFK> aetherian, yep i have a beautiful ping
#2744 [17:46] <aetherian> wait wait
#2745 [17:46] <aetherian> o.o
#2746 [17:46] <aetherian> weird
#2747 [17:46] <AndrewPH|AFK> was it the ame?
#2748 [17:46] <AndrewPH|AFK> same
#2749 [17:46] <aetherian> no
#2750 [17:46] <AndrewPH|AFK> lol
#2751 [17:46] <aetherian> 3736.01
#2752 [17:46] <AndrewPH|AFK> heh
#2753 [17:46] <aetherian> close
#2754 [17:46] <Matt_> im teseting singleplayer, right xales?
#2755 [17:46] <xales> Matt_: yeah
#2756 [17:46] <AndrewPH|AFK> my ping is clearly the truth
#2757 [17:46] <aetherian> why is your nick matt_, not just matt?
#2758 [17:47] <AndrewPH|AFK> /whois matt
#2759 [17:47] <aetherian> clearly, andrew
#2760 [17:47] <Matt_> there are apparently other 'matt's
#2761 [17:47] <Matt_> so i am given an underscore?
#2762 [17:47] <aetherian> matt_, you could just choose a different nick o.o
#2763 [17:47] <Matt_> idk first time on IRC was lastnight.
#2764 [17:47] <Matt_> lol
#2765 [17:47] <Matt_> i mean to
#2766 [17:47] <Matt_> gotta figure that out first
#2767 [17:47] <aetherian> /nick *nickname*
#2768 [17:47] <aetherian> like, for me, /nick aetherian
#2769 [17:48] <xales> ?? irc/nick
#2770 [17:48] <VoxelHead> irc/nick: To set your name in IRC, type /nick _______
#2771 [17:48] <xales> :)
#2772 [17:48] <VoxelHead> irc/nick: Fill in the blank with your desired name, naturally.
#2773 [17:48] <Matt_> xales, it played longer, still crashed
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#2775 [17:48] <HATRIX> yay
#2776 [17:48] <aetherian> xales, that bot has too many functions
#2777 [17:48] <aetherian> yay
#2778 [17:48] <xales> aetherian: I can add more whenever I want
#2779 [17:48] <xales> :P
#2780 [17:48] * aetherian dances
#2780 [17:48] <SkiingPenguins> lol thats what i thought aetherian
#2781 [17:48] <HATRIX> why you have a problem with matt??!
#2782 [17:48] <SkiingPenguins> its generic
#2783 [17:48] <xales> aetherian doesn't like the _ either
#2784 [17:49] <aetherian> xales, I hope only mods/voices can only use it
#2785 [17:49] <HATRIX> well i'm the only HATRIX
#2786 [17:49] <HATRIX> :)
#2787 [17:49] <aetherian> right
#2788 [17:49] <aetherian> ?
#2789 [17:49] <xales> aetherian: I'm not sure actually
#2790 [17:49] <xales> :P
#2791 [17:49] <HATRIX> anyways, xales, I am still broken.
#2792 [17:49] <aetherian> ?? irc/nick
#2793 [17:49] <VoxelHead> irc/nick: To set your name in IRC, type /nick _______
#2794 [17:49] <VoxelHead> irc/nick: Fill in the blank with your desired name, naturally.
#2795 [17:49] <jhones9812> how i create server of minecraft? but when I turned off the pc continue
#2796 [17:49] <aetherian> change that...
#2797 [17:49] <xales> jhones9812: you need to buy a server then
#2798 [17:49] <aetherian> you don't
#2799 [17:50] <aetherian> keep the pc on
#2800 [17:50] <jhones9812> where i buy de server?
#2801 [17:50] <HATRIX> jhones9812 i use servercraft.co
#2802 [17:50] <aetherian> wait, to buy a server?
#2803 [17:50] <HATRIX> cheapest, and very fast customer service replies.
#2804 [17:50] <jhones9812> how much the server?
#2805 [17:50] <aetherian> kinda expensive to buy a server
#2806 [17:50] <HATRIX> depends on how many people you want to have on at a time
#2807 [17:50] <xales> aetherian: not really
#2808 [17:50] <aetherian> and you need good internet too
#2809 [17:51] <HATRIX> aetherian, not if all pitch in
#2810 [17:51] <aetherian> xales: to have the actual machine.
#2811 [17:51] <aetherian> the /server/
#2812 [17:51] <HATRIX> aetherian, you don't need your own machine
#2813 [17:51] <HATRIX> or decent internet.
#2814 [17:51] <HATRIX> lol
#2815 [17:51] <jhones9812> i gonna see the price now
#2816 [17:51] <HATRIX> the company hosts / runs the server
#2817 [17:51] <xales> aetherian: for 99% of people who want to run Minecraft servers, that's overkill that they won't even be able to use
#2818 [17:51] <aetherian> no, but he was asking, "where i buy de server"
#2819 [17:51] <HATRIX> iti's 15 dollars jhones9812
#2820 [17:51] <HATRIX> monthly
#2821 [17:51] <aetherian> so technically
#2822 [17:51] <HATRIX> for up to 6 players to be allowed on
#2823 [17:51] <jhones9812> oh.thamks HATRIX
#2824 [17:51] <jhones9812> thanks
#2825 [17:52] <HATRIX> for 12 players its 30 monthly
#2826 [17:52] <HATRIX> through that company
#2827 [17:52] <HATRIX> np jhones9812
#2828 [17:52] <HATRIX> Invalid memory access of location 0x0 rip=0x200012910
#2829 [17:52] <SkiingPenguins> ew
#2830 [17:52] <HATRIX> ^^^^ that's my problem
#2831 [17:52] <jhones9812> i guess i will buy
#2832 [17:52] <xales> HATRIX: I have no idea how to fix that =/
#2833 [17:52] <HATRIX> =[
#2834 [17:52] <aetherian> jhones9812: just keep yer server up
#2835 [17:52] <aetherian> *pc
#2836 [17:52] <HATRIX> anyone?
#2837 [17:52] <SkiingPenguins> run memtest?
#2838 [17:52] <jhones9812> yeh
#2839 [17:53] <xales> w/in 45
#2840 [17:53] <xales> der
#2841 [17:53] <jhones9812> i post ip here when i buy!
#2842 [17:53] <xales> typing fail
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#2844 [17:53] <HATRIX> my mem test?
#2845 [17:54] <xales> HATRIX: memtest checks your RAM, but it isn't a RAM issue
#2846 [17:54] <HATRIX> ah
#2847 [17:54] <HATRIX> okay
#2848 [17:54] <HATRIX> i won't do that then.
#2849 [17:54] <xales> anyway
#2850 [17:54] <xales> i gotta go =/
#2851 [17:54] <Jackson413> hi
#2852 [17:54] <xales> good luck, but I'm not sure if there is a solution
#2853 [17:55] <HATRIX> thanks for trying
#2854 [17:55] <HATRIX> hello jackson413
#2855 [17:55] <aetherian> bye xales
#2856 [17:55] <Jackson413> HATRIX: whatcha trying to do?
#2857 [17:55] <aetherian> we'll take good care of that bot whilst you are gone
#2858 [17:55] <HATRIX> minecraft won't really work for me
#2859 [17:55] <HATRIX> lol aetherian
#2860 [17:55] <Jackson413> what is wrong with it?
#2861 [17:56] <HATRIX> i will start it, and as soon as i join singleplayer or multiplayer it freezes
#2862 [17:56] <HATRIX> then it quits
#2863 [17:56] <HATRIX> and i get a big old error report
#2864 [17:56] <Jackson413> have you ever got it to work?
#2865 [17:56] <HATRIX> Mac OSX 10.6
#2866 [17:56] <HATRIX> yes
#2867 [17:56] <aetherian> ouch
#2868 [17:56] <aetherian> mac
#2869 [17:56] <HATRIX> it has worked since i got minecraft
#2870 [17:56] <Jackson413> macs rock
#2871 [17:57] <HATRIX> hush aetherian
#2872 [17:57] <Jackson413> i wish i had one
#2873 [17:57] <aetherian> no way
#2874 [17:57] <Jackson413> they just are expensive
#2875 [17:57] <aetherian> and give less
#2876 [17:57] <HATRIX> i had this problem once before.. for a couple das
#2877 [17:57] <HATRIX> days*
#2878 [17:57] <HATRIX> now it's back... and more annoying
#2879 [17:57] <jhones9812> what 's server are play ? because i play in steam but has many problems
#2880 [17:57] <Jackson413> did you reinstall minecraft?
#2881 [17:57] <HATRIX> yes i did.
#2882 [17:57] <Jackson413> did you delete the applicationdata?
#2883 [17:57] <aetherian> you didn't just delete the bin?
#2884 [17:57] <HATRIX> jhones9812 steam is an application? not a server?
#2885 [17:58] <aetherian> oh wait
#2886 [17:58] <aetherian> mac
#2887 [17:58] * aetherian doesn't know how macs store mc data
#2887 [17:58] <HATRIX> jackson413, the app support files, AKA bin, deleted
#2888 [17:58] <HATRIX> and reinstalled
#2889 [17:58] <HATRIX> i've verified disk permissions
#2890 [17:58] <Jackson413> java version?
#2891 [17:58] <HATRIX> yes
#2892 [17:58] <HATRIX> both single and multi crash in java as well
#2893 [17:58] <Jackson413> pastebin the error
#2894 [17:58] <aetherian> are you on the default texture pack?
#2895 [17:58] <jhones9812> what is diference between application and server?
#2896 [17:58] <HATRIX> with basically the same error
#2897 [17:58] <HATRIX> server is through a company.
#2898 [17:58] <aetherian> no
#2899 [17:58] <HATRIX> here are the paste bins
#2900 [17:59] <aetherian> server is just a computer
#2901 [17:59] <jhones9812> hmmm i understand
#2902 [17:59] <HATRIX> http://pastebin.com/LjzcmQ4k
#2903 [17:59] <Jackson413> SERVERS ARE USED TO PREVENT PREGNANCIES
#2904 [17:59] <Jackson413> caos
#2905 [17:59] <aetherian> :O
#2906 [17:59] <Jackson413> caps
#2907 [17:59] <aetherian> *chaos
#2908 [17:59] <Jackson413> hahaha
#2909 [17:59] <HATRIX> that was through client
#2910 [17:59] <HATRIX> http://pastebin.com/W3bqAFs7
#2911 [17:59] <HATRIX> ^through java/terminal/ .jar version
#2912 [18:00] <Jackson413> how long have you been using minecraft
#2913 [18:00] <HATRIX> um, several months
#2914 [18:00] <HATRIX> wayyyy before beta...
#2915 [18:00] <aetherian> know what annoys me? when people attempt to send you really long links. I mean, at least use a link shortener before sending me to a boring site.
#2916 [18:00] <aetherian> anyway
#2917 [18:00] <aetherian> byw for now
#2918 [18:00] <jhones9812> hatrix what 's server do you play ?
#2919 [18:00] <HATRIX> bye aetherian
#2920 [18:00] <aetherian> not bye, byw
#2921 [18:00] <HATRIX> jhones9812 i play on a server that i purchased, unfortunately there are no more player slots available
#2922 [18:00] <HATRIX> so you can' join.
#2923 [18:01] <HATRIX> byw... ?
#2924 [18:01] <Jackson413> HATRIX: do you know anyone else that plays with a mac?
#2925 [18:01] <HATRIX> no i do not.
#2926 [18:01] <HATRIX> i know people with macs.
#2927 [18:01] <Jackson413> go ask in #minecraft
#2928 [18:01] <Jackson413> get back to me
#2929 [18:01] <HATRIX> i did.
#2930 [18:01] <HATRIX> they sent me here
#2931 [18:01] <HATRIX> lol
#2932 [18:01] <Jackson413> oh
#2933 [18:01] <Jackson413> did anyone say they had problems with the mac version?
#2934 [18:01] <HATRIX> there are numerous forum threads
#2935 [18:02] <HATRIX> and get satisfactions on this issue
#2936 [18:02] <HATRIX> none that soled my problem.
#2937 [18:02] <Jackson413> its not just you then?
#2938 [18:02] <jhones9812> wow
#2939 [18:02] <HATRIX> not only me
#2940 [18:02] <HATRIX> but i suffer worse than many
#2941 [18:02] <Jackson413> jhones if you are really looking for a server you may play on mine
#2942 [18:02] <Jackson413> pm me so as to respect not advertising here
#2943 [18:02] <Jackson413> HATRIX: how old is it?
#2944 [18:03] <HATRIX> ... how old is what?
#2945 [18:03] <Jackson413> your computer
#2946 [18:03] <HATRIX> idk the year
#2947 [18:03] <HATRIX> but the graphics card is
#2948 [18:03] <HATRIX> nvidia geforce 9600
#2949 [18:03] <aetherian> quit trying to play minecraft on your apple 2
#2950 [18:03] <jhones9812> hatrix not have someone who does not play anymore?
#2951 [18:03] <HATRIX> or 9400?
#2952 [18:04] <aetherian> ah, today is the day for love. I totally forgot.
#2953 [18:04] <aetherian> oh well
#2954 [18:04] <Jackson413> HATRIX: how old is it?
#2955 [18:04] <Jackson413> like in years?
#2956 [18:04] <HATRIX> its on the pastebin
#2957 [18:05] <DopeGhoti> ??retro
#2958 [18:05] <DopeGhoti> ?? retro
#2959 [18:05] <VoxelHead> retro: Just because Minecraft's graphics have a retro styling does not mean that you can run the game on a Commodore 64.
#2960 [18:05] <VoxelHead> retro: Minecraft will make a computer work just as hard, and in some cases harder than, many other contemporary games. There is a reason that it allocates 1GiB of RAM on startup.
#2961 [18:05] <Jackson413> are you willing to try something that might work
#2962 [18:05] <Jackson413> but im not sure
#2963 [18:05] <Jackson413> try the linux version
#2964 [18:06] <Jackson413> i heard something from a friend today who said macs are based off of linux
#2965 [18:06] <SkiingPenguins> sort of but not really i guess
#2966 [18:07] <aetherian> dopeghoti: can I run it on my commodore 128?
#2967 [18:07] <Jackson413> its worth a try
#2968 [18:07] <Jackson413> hahaha
#2969 [18:07] <aetherian> :D
#2970 [18:07] <Jackson413> that made my day
#2971 [18:07] * aetherian is the mighty creator of days
#2971 [18:07] <Jackson413> lol
#2972 [18:07] <Jackson413> HATRIX: you still there?
#2973 [18:08] <HATRIX> yes
#2974 [18:08] <HATRIX> srry
#2975 [18:08] <Jackson413> are you trying the linux version
#2976 [18:09] <HATRIX> what am i doing with the linux version?
#2977 [18:09] <Jackson413> try it
#2978 [18:09] <HATRIX> i've donwloaded and tried htat already
#2979 [18:09] <HATRIX> both single and multiplayer
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#2981 [18:09] <Jackson413> for linux?
#2982 [18:09] <DopeGhoti> erm, those aren't separate downloads.
#2983 [18:09] <HATRIX> same .jar file
#2984 [18:09] <Jackson413> oh
#2985 [18:09] <Jackson413> well ive run out of suggestions
#2986 [18:10] <HATRIX> =/
#2987 [18:10] <Jackson413> well heres one
#2988 [18:10] <Jackson413> get a plane ticket to sweden
#2989 [18:10] <HATRIX> punch him in the faec
#2990 [18:10] <Jackson413> and go to notchs house
#2991 [18:10] <Jackson413> and
#2992 [18:10] <Jackson413> PIMPSLAP!
#2993 [18:11] <HATRIX> ya
#2994 [18:11] <HATRIX> well alter guiyz
#2995 [18:11] <HATRIX> i'im off to cry
#2996 [18:11] <Jackson413> seeya
#2997 [18:11] <Jackson413> why is everyone ping timeout'ing all of a sudden
#2998 [18:11] <Jackson413> i feel alone
#2999 [18:11] <Jackson413> cold
#3000 [18:12] <Jackson413> hungru
#3001 [18:12] <Jackson413> fail
#3002 [18:12] * Rait Waves
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#3004 [18:12] <Jackson413> hello there stranger
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#3006 [18:12] <Jackson413> lol
#3007 [18:12] <Rait> Oh hai there.
#3008 [18:12] <Jackson413> what faraway land do you come from?
#3009 [18:12] <DopeGhoti> Rait: why does your nick look familiar to me?
#3010 [18:12] <Rait> o-o
#3011 [18:12] <Rait> Idk?
#3012 [18:12] * Jackson413 looks off to a distance
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#3013 [18:13] <Rait> Raitoningu would be the full.
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#3015 [18:13] <DopeGhoti> No, that doesn't ring any gongs.
#3016 [18:13] <Jackson413> lol
#3017 [18:13] <Jackson413> gongs instead of bells
#3018 [18:13] <Rait> Lul. Then i have no idea where you're mind is.
#3019 [18:13] <DopeGhoti> Maybe I rendered you assistance here way back in the before-time.
#3020 [18:13] <Rait> Yeah, i've needed alot of back a few weeks.
#3021 [18:14] <DopeGhoti> Things running smoothly since then?
#3022 [18:14] <Rait> That they are, only other help i need is getting a new and better computer, Care to help with that? :3
#3023 [18:16] <DopeGhoti> I can offer advice, but no material support.
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#3026 [18:19] <Jackson413> ive just found the biggest vps ripoff ever
#3027 [18:19] <Jackson413> http://vpslink.com/openvz-vps/
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#3029 [18:19] <Simoo0n> Hello
#3030 [18:20] <Jackson413> supp
#3031 [18:20] <Simoo0n> :)
#3032 [18:20] <Simoo0n> Does anyone know why I would not be able to access the minecraft website, I havent been able to in the last 2 months.. :(
#3033 [18:21] <DopeGhoti> Simoo0n: what happens when you try?
#3034 [18:21] <GreyVulpine> Can you ping minecraft.net?
#3035 [18:21] <Simoo0n> Unable to connect
#3036 [18:21] <Simoo0n> Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at www.minecraft.net.
#3037 [18:21] <Simoo0n> cmd ping?
#3038 [18:21] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#3039 [18:21] <Jackson413> is your internet working?
#3040 [18:21] <Simoo0n> yes I can forgor the command though
#3041 [18:21] <Simoo0n> and yes
#3042 [18:21] <GreyVulpine> "ping minecraft.net"
#3043 [18:22] <Simoo0n> all other sites are fine
#3044 [18:22] <Jackson413> (jk) you wouldnt be here
#3045 [18:22] <Simoo0n> thanks
#3046 [18:22] <Simoo0n> :D
#3047 [18:22] <Jackson413> hey dope
#3048 [18:22] <DopeGhoti> Simoo0n: I need you to pastebin a file from your computer, please
#3049 [18:22] <Simoo0n> ok
#3050 [18:22] <DopeGhoti> click Start, pick Run, and enter %SystemRoot%\system32\drivers\etc\
#3051 [18:22] <DopeGhoti> and pastebin the contents of the 'hosts' file.
#3052 [18:23] <DopeGhoti> (note to self: ?? hosts/win)
#3053 [18:23] <SkiingPenguins> ;)
#3054 [18:23] <Simoo0n> kk sec
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#3056 [18:24] <Jackson413> hey dope
#3057 [18:25] <Simoo0n> oh and the ping check results were 100% loss :P
#3058 [18:25] <DopeGhoti> Hmm. You haven't tried to install any cracks for Minecraft, have you?
#3059 [18:25] <Simoo0n> nope
#3060 [18:25] <GreyVulpine> Simoo0n - What did the IP address resolve to?
#3061 [18:25] <GreyVulpine> xx.xx.xx.xx
#3062 [18:25] <DopeGhoti> grey: http://pastebin.com/v3LBQnCM
#3063 [18:25] <GreyVulpine> Ah
#3064 [18:25] <DopeGhoti> Simoo0n: remove the last line of that hosts file, save and exit, and the site should work for yo.
#3065 [18:25] <feenyx> >,<
#3066 [18:26] <Simoo0n> lol kk thanks :)
#3067 [18:26] <Jackson413> wait if you install minecraft cracks you get banned from minecraft?
#3068 [18:26] <feenyx> no
#3069 [18:26] <SkiingPenguins> wtf who would do that to their hosts file
#3070 [18:26] <feenyx> if you install minecraft cracks, your game won't work, and you get banned from #MineCraftHelp
#3071 [18:26] <GreyVulpine> SkiingPenguins - That's not the worst of it
#3072 [18:26] <DopeGhoti> Jackson413: no, but they tend to break access to the site because most cracks fake the authenticator
#3073 [18:26] <Simoo0n> haha works tyvm
#3074 [18:26] <Simoo0n> <3
#3075 [18:26] <DopeGhoti> Jackson413: others provy to password collectors
#3076 [18:27] <DopeGhoti> Simoo0n: that'll be $8.
#3077 [18:27] <Jackson413> well i guess i learned something new today
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#3079 [18:27] <SkiingPenguins> GreyVulpine what's worse than editing the hosts file? O_o
#3080 [18:27] <Simoo0n> haha how much is the game anyways?
#3081 [18:27] <Jackson413> DopeGhoti: can you tell me if this minecraft host looks legit
#3082 [18:27] <GreyVulpine> No, I mean, that one just points to 127.0.0.1
#3083 [18:27] <DopeGhoti> EUR14.95
#3084 [18:27] <GreyVulpine> That's not as bad as this one
#3085 [18:27] <GreyVulpine> http://pastebin.com/0UdnuNUP
#3086 [18:27] <Simoo0n> ahh nice :)
#3087 [18:27] <SkiingPenguins> Simoo0n how do you not know how much it is?
#3088 [18:28] * GreyVulpine nods at DopeGhoti
#3088 [18:28] <Simoo0n> I hadn't looked
#3089 [18:28] <Simoo0n> anyways tyvm guys have a good day/ night and take care :)
#3090 [18:28] <Jackson413> grey
#3091 [18:29] <GreyVulpine> Yeah
#3092 [18:29] * feenyx praises the divining powers of DopeGhoti
#3092 [18:29] <Jackson413> can you tell me if this looks legit
#3093 [18:29] <GreyVulpine> Hmm?
#3094 [18:29] <Jackson413> ill pm it to you
#3095 [18:30] <DopeGhoti> feenyx: it's all in the wrist. Except for what's in the cranium.
#3096 [18:30] <Jackson413> lmao
#3097 [18:30] <GreyVulpine> Yeah Jackson413, multiplay's a fairly well known MP server provider
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#3099 [18:31] <Jackson413> can 600mb ram support 15 players?
#3100 [18:31] <GreyVulpine> That's... stretching it
#3101 [18:31] <GreyVulpine> No, 600 megs most certainly won't support 15 players
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#3103 [18:31] <Jackson413> with an amazing connection?
#3104 [18:31] <HeadCrab> Hello, I just purchased an American Express Gift card and just put it on Paypal about 20 minutes ago. All went fine but when I went to buy Minecraft it said "You cannot complete this action on the card you have selected. Please select another card." I checked my transaction history of the card and all it has is the $1 fee of putting it on paypal. I have $24 left. I did notice the $1 paypal fee was still pending so would th
#3105 [18:32] <Jackson413> visa and mastercard only
#3106 [18:32] <Jackson413> sorry mate
#3107 [18:32] <GreyVulpine> Jackson413 - I couldn't care less about the connection, you're not supporting 15 people on just 600 megs
#3108 [18:32] <Jackson413> how much would you recommend at absolute max?
#3109 [18:33] <GreyVulpine> Figure about 100-150megs per person.
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#3111 [18:33] <Jackson413> at absolute and utter maximum
#3112 [18:33] <GreyVulpine> Take an even 2gigs, more if you can afford it, and are planning on expanding.
#3113 [18:34] <Jackson413> oh my god
#3114 [18:34] <Jackson413> cant even begin to afford it
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#3116 [18:34] <DopeGhoti> HeadCrab: try putting the balance of the card directly into your PayPal Funds, then it should work once the money is in your PayPal account.
#3117 [18:34] <Jackson413> how much would 1024gb do?
#3118 [18:34] <DopeGhoti> (note to self: ?? giftcards)
#3119 [18:35] <HeadCrab> I'll try that Dope
#3120 [18:35] <DopeGhoti> HeadCrab: good luck!
#3121 [18:36] <HeadCrab> Wait...how do?
#3122 [18:36] <Jackson413> damn i need money
#3123 [18:38] <aetherian> get a job
#3124 [18:38] <Jackson413> cant
#3125 [18:38] <aetherian> underage?
#3126 [18:38] <Jackson413> taking 3 ap classes
#3127 [18:39] <aetherian> su-ure
#3128 [18:39] <Jackson413> well i would man
#3129 [18:39] <aetherian> only heard that from every other guy who comes in here
#3130 [18:39] <Jackson413> but my schedule is really uneven
#3131 [18:39] <aetherian> I'm not exactly the one to be complaining to about that
#3132 [18:40] <aetherian> >:
#3133 [18:40] <Jackson413> like sometimes i gotta work all night to work sometime
#3134 [18:40] <Jackson413> something
#3135 [18:40] <Jackson413> other nights like tonight im not
#3136 [18:40] <Jackson413> im not busy
#3137 [18:40] <HeadCrab> Dope: Is doing that even possible? If so how would I go about doing it?
#3138 [18:40] <Jackson413> headcrab google it?
#3139 [18:41] <aetherian> I hope he finds it
#3140 [18:42] <HeadCrab> I did google it but didn't find any answers
#3141 [18:42] <Jackson413> idk man
#3142 [18:42] <Jackson413> wait for dope
#3143 [18:42] <aetherian> dope isn't the only help man here
#3144 [18:42] <Jackson413> hey has anyone seen moanmyip.com
#3145 [18:42] <Jackson413> my friend just sent it to me
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#3147 [18:43] <aetherian> ...why?
#3148 [18:44] <HeadCrab> I know he isn't but he's the one who's given me the more positive help so far
#3149 [18:44] * aetherian hesitates to click on links
#3149 [18:44] <aetherian> aubot will give you help ;o
#3150 [18:45] <Jackson413> did uc it yet?
#3151 [18:45] * aetherian still hesitates to click on links
#3151 [18:45] <Jackson413> DOIT!
#3152 [18:46] <aetherian> doit?
#3153 [18:46] <DopeGhoti> HeadCrab: How would you do what- cash out your card to PayPal?
#3154 [18:46] <DopeGhoti> Log into PayPal, click 'Add Funds'
#3155 [18:46] <DopeGhoti> follow the directions thereupon
#3156 [18:48] <HeadCrab> Oh...yea I don't think you can do that with an AmEx gift card. Oh well. Thanks anyway
#3157 [18:49] <DopeGhoti> HeadCrab: in that case, cash it out at an ATM, take said cash into a bank, open an account, and tie _that_ to PayPal (:
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#3161 [18:53] <Jackson413> is irc.esper.net only for minecraft related stuff?
#3162 [18:54] <GreyVulpine> No
#3163 [18:54] <semami> hello all, i have problem in minecraft, there is huge chunk of blocks from skyline to bottom of map near the spawn point that i cannot remove or add any blocks, is there anyway to fix this, because i made a lot of stuff and i don't want to make a new world?
#3164 [18:54] <Jackson413> oh
#3165 [18:54] <Jackson413> smami
#3166 [18:54] <GreyVulpine> http://www.esper.net/
#3167 [18:54] <Jackson413> semami
#3168 [18:54] <semami> yes
#3169 [18:54] <Jackson413> ill help you
#3170 [18:54] <DopeGhoti> semami: you need to be an op to modify blocks near the spawn point
#3171 [18:54] <Jackson413> oh nm
#3172 [18:55] <DopeGhoti> semami: on the server console, type 'op YOURNAME'
#3173 [18:55] <Jackson413> vanilla?
#3174 [18:55] <Jackson413> wait there is spawn protection if you run vanilla?
#3175 [18:55] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#3176 [18:56] <DopeGhoti> Jackson413: yes, only ops can modify (roughly) the chunk surrounding the spaon ficus
#3177 [18:56] <Jackson413> well i learned another something today
#3178 [18:56] <semami> i see, thank you for your help, i will test it right now
#3179 [18:56] <DopeGhoti> semami: good luck!
#3180 [18:56] <DopeGhoti> (note to self: ?? opyourself)
#3181 [18:57] <Jackson413> ???
#3182 [18:57] <DopeGhoti> Jackson413: reminders of FAQs to add to VoxelHead.
#3183 [18:57] <Jackson413> lol ok
#3184 [18:57] <semami> yep it work, thanks guys
#3185 [18:57] <DopeGhoti> semami: cheers!
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#3187 [19:07] <Tsaryu> Hello there, just a quick question: when I upload a skin, it wont update, it will stay the default skin. And when I click on "Show this to others" it reads "This is Tsaryus skin" "...or not"
#3188 [19:08] <Tsaryu> What do? :3
#3189 [19:08] <Tsaryu> *on minecraft.net
#3190 [19:08] <DopeGhoti> Tsaryu: It should still update in-game
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#3192 [19:08] <Tsaryu> ok i'll try it out :3
#3193 [19:09] <DopeGhoti> good luck!
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#3195 [19:11] <DopeGhoti> 'lo, Kealper
#3196 [19:13] <aetherian> long time no see, Kealper
#3197 [19:18] <Tsaryu> DopeGhoti: thanks, you're right :)
#3198 [19:19] <DopeGhoti> Tsaryu: splendid
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#3201 [19:31] <Assailant> Vista64, Minecraft Launcher opens, updates game, then closes. I reinstalled Java, nothing. Minecraft Classic does not work in my browser either. Works fine on my Win764 laptop tho.
#3202 [19:31] <DopeGhoti> Assailant: do you have 32- or 64-bit Java installed?
#3203 [19:32] <Kealper> stupid connection to california....
#3204 [19:32] * Kealper sets his client to always connect to eldridge
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#3205 [19:32] <Assailant> I have both 32-bit and 64-bit Java 6 update 23
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#3207 [19:32] <mpf> Notch codes a game in realtime: http://www.livestream.com/mojang
#3208 [19:33] <Kealper> mpf: that's a recording
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#3210 [19:33] <mpf> Kealper: it says "Live Streaming
#3211 [19:33] <mpf> Live Streaming " at the top
#3212 [19:33] <Kealper> when he is not livestreaming his channel replays old sessions
#3213 [19:34] <DopeGhoti> mpf: the stream is live; the data are not.
#3214 [19:34] <Kealper> if he was live, there would be 5k+ people in there talking at once
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#3216 [19:34] <Charile> Hello anyone?
#3217 [19:34] <Kealper> :O
#3218 [19:34] <DopeGhoti> s/there would be 5k+ people in there talking at once/it would have done down/#FTFY
#3219 [19:34] <Charile> Hello
#3220 [19:34] <DopeGhoti> hi, Charile
#3221 [19:34] <Kealper> lol dope
#3222 [19:35] <Charile> May I ask you a question?
#3223 [19:35] <DopeGhoti> ?? ask
#3224 [19:35] <VoxelHead> ask: Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help, and be as specific as possible.
#3225 [19:35] <Charile> I have a system
#3226 [19:35] <VoxelHead> ask: If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#3227 [19:35] <Charile> Which is...
#3228 [19:35] <Kealper> anywho....back to doing a major rewrite to my chat server
#3229 [19:36] <Charile> Mircosoft Windows XP Professional Version 2002 Service Pack 3, WIth a Computer: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.90GHz 256 MB of Ram Video card: is Nivida tnt2/tnt (1999)
#3230 [19:36] <Charile> Is it able to handle minecraft?
#3231 [19:36] <Charile> or just never buy minecraft?
#3232 [19:36] <Assailant> Try Classic in the Browser
#3233 [19:36] <DopeGhoti> with 256MB of RAM, I"m surprised you can even run Windows XP itself
#3234 [19:37] <DopeGhoti> Bump that up to 2GB and you'll be sitting pretty.
#3235 [19:37] <Charile> So, lets see.
#3236 [19:37] <Charile> I'm getting a computer soon which is...
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#3238 [19:39] <Charile> Desktop PC with AMD Athlon II X2 220 Processor
#3239 [19:39] <Charile> With Windows 7
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#3241 [19:40] <yamfries> hi
#3242 [19:40] <SkiingPenguins> hello
#3243 [19:40] <DopeGhoti> 'lo
#3244 [19:40] <yamfries> so I am having some issues
#3245 [19:40] <yamfries> well, a friend of mine
#3246 [19:40] <SkiingPenguins> such as?
#3247 [19:40] <DopeGhoti> Do tell.
#3248 [19:40] <yamfries> he is currently using iwndows 7
#3249 [19:40] <Assailant> I forget how to get a report for a specific program in Windows Vista. Anyone have a clue? I'm assuming my issue is Java and I want to see what exactly is wrong
#3250 [19:41] <yamfries> when he launches minecraft, it goes to the "updating minecraft" page
#3251 [19:41] <yamfries> and it says done loading
#3252 [19:41] <yamfries> but the bar is not all the way to the right
#3253 [19:41] <yamfries> and its just frozen like that
#3254 [19:41] <Charile> ?
#3255 [19:41] <DopeGhoti> ??> yamfries reinst/win
#3256 [19:41] <VoxelHead> yamfries: (reinst/win) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#3257 [19:41] <VoxelHead> yamfries: (reinst/win) To do so, press Win+R, type in %AppData%, and press Enter. In the window that appears, open the .minecraft directory, and delete the bin directory that you see therein. Then, try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
#3258 [19:43] <yamfries> ok, thanks
#3259 [19:43] <yamfries> that worked
#3260 [19:43] <yamfries> I have to say, I am loving this game so far
#3261 [19:43] <yamfries> keep up the good work
#3262 [19:45] <SkiingPenguins> Assailant what is going wrong with java?
#3263 [19:48] <Assailant> idk what's wrong with Java, my game updates, loads and then closes without even seeing the splash screen. I have both 32-bit and 64-bit Java 6 update 23. My Win7 laptop has no issues with it, but I want to use it on my Desktop because my laptop gets too hot
#3264 [19:49] <SkiingPenguins> Assailant you have two versions of java installed?
#3265 [19:49] <Assailant> I use 32-bit browsers because last I checked Flash doesn't support 64-bit
#3266 [19:50] <Assailant> I also have a Dev Kit version of 6 update 22 64-bit that was installed when I first started Android programming
#3267 [19:50] <arensirb> !check
#3268 [19:50] <arensirb> !check minecraft.net
#3269 [19:51] <arensirb> !isdown http://www.minecraft.net/servers.jsp
#3270 [19:51] <GreyBot> arensirb: It's just you. http://www.minecraft.net is up.
#3271 [19:51] <arensirb> oh right
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#3273 [19:53] <nevercast> 'ello.
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#3277 [19:57] <Assailant> I'm actually beginning to think it has something to do with OpenGL
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#3279 [19:59] <Assailant> how do I check if I even have OpenGL installed?
#3280 [20:00] * Kealper thinks he has finished the rewrite of his chat server is done
#3280 [20:00] <nevercast> Kealper, WHat'd you change?
#3281 [20:01] <SkiingPenguins> Assailant you cannot install OpenGL, i dont think
#3282 [20:01] <Kealper> Assailant: reinstall video drivers, that will get opengl on it, although opengl should be on it by default...
#3283 [20:01] <nevercast> Wow Minecraft is running like crap!!
#3284 [20:01] <nevercast> Constant 3fps
#3285 [20:01] <SkiingPenguins> nevercast welcome to the club
#3286 [20:01] <nevercast> SkiingPenguins, That's correct, you can't "install" openGL
#3287 [20:01] <Kealper> nevercast: lots of stuff on it, the way the server handles new connections...now has per-connection recieve buffers...other crap
#3288 [20:02] <nevercast> Kealper, Would have thought it always had per connection buffers.. as well as each connection being a thread
#3289 [20:02] <Assailant> how do I check if my card is compatible?
#3290 [20:02] <nevercast> Assailant, It is
#3291 [20:02] <nevercast> OpenGL doesn't need 'compatibility'
#3292 [20:02] <nevercast> It just is
#3293 [20:02] <nevercast> It's not DirectX
#3294 [20:02] <Kealper> well, it did have a simple per-connection buffer system, but i set it up differently now, so you could literally telnet into the server and chat now
#3295 [20:02] <SkiingPenguins> Assailant if you cant use opengl then there is something seriously seriously seriously wrong
#3296 [20:02] <nevercast> Wait.. Unless it's 30 years old?
#3297 [20:02] <Assailant> no, it's a recent card
#3298 [20:03] <nevercast> Then it has OpenGL support
#3299 [20:03] <nevercast> even if it's 20 years
#3300 [20:03] <nevercast> it has support
#3301 [20:03] <nevercast> That's OpenGL in all it's glory
#3302 [20:03] <nevercast> supported ;)
#3303 [20:03] <Assailant> then it should be Java that's messing up, but I don't understand why
#3304 [20:03] <nevercast> Assailant, What's the problem?
#3305 [20:03] <nevercast> Kealper, It doesn't kick me out for no packet flow? lol.
#3306 [20:03] <nevercast> Kealper, Reminded me of Punk Buster rofl
#3307 [20:04] <nevercast> WOOO
#3308 [20:04] <Assailant> The Launcher updates the game, loads it and then closes without ever reaching the splash screen
#3309 [20:04] <nevercast> 100 Frames Per Second
#3310 [20:04] <nevercast> I just had to wait 5 minutes for my computer to load the map
#3311 [20:04] <SkiingPenguins> nevercast as do i, but i only get to 40 fps ;)
#3312 [20:04] <nevercast> Assailant, There should be an error file someone
#3313 [20:04] <nevercast> SkiingPenguins, I have FPS unlocked
#3314 [20:04] <SkiingPenguins> no seriously my card sucks that bad
#3315 [20:04] <Kimax> can fire spread thru cobblestone?
#3316 [20:05] <SkiingPenguins> no
#3317 [20:05] <nevercast> 9FPS
#3318 [20:05] <nevercast> DAMN IT
#3319 [20:05] <SkiingPenguins> owned
#3320 [20:05] <nevercast> It's when I get chunk updates.
#3321 [20:05] <Assailant> I don't remember where those are stored... Last I needed to check an error report was... a year ago lol
#3322 [20:05] <nevercast> So it's my processor
#3323 [20:05] <nevercast> Assailant, Using the EXE version?
#3324 [20:05] <Assailant> yeah, EXE
#3325 [20:06] <Kimax> can fire spread thru cobblestone?
#3326 [20:06] <SkiingPenguins> NO
#3327 [20:06] <Assailant> should I try the .jar version?
#3328 [20:06] <nevercast> Kimax, No it can't
#3329 [20:07] <Kealper> nevercast: no, not anymore...it used to halt everything while it waited for the login data, but the new way it works, it does not halt stuff when a new connection is recieved, so there is no need to kick for no packet flow
#3330 [20:07] <nevercast> Assailant, The exe should dump error logs in it's currently directory
#3331 [20:07] <Assailant> oh wow, there's a bunch...
#3332 [20:07] <nevercast> Kealper, OH!! It was syncronous to the rest of the chat.
#3333 [20:07] <nevercast> Kealper, Wow no wonder you wanted to kick people
#3334 [20:07] <Kealper> yeah
#3335 [20:07] <nevercast> ... No offence but you DID know from the start, that it was a bad idea to implement that right? :P
#3336 [20:08] <nevercast> Proof of concept right? Not actually practical?
#3337 [20:08] <SkiingPenguins> <- confused
#3338 [20:08] <Kealper> that was all part of the "fuck it, i want this shit working NOW! I'LL FIX IT TOMORROW!" code that never got rewritten
#3339 [20:08] <Assailant> ok, I'm gonna paste the first part of the log
#3340 [20:08] <nevercast> Assailant, There is a bug in beta that makes an error file each time the program closes lol.
#3341 [20:08] <Assailant> #
#3342 [20:08] <Assailant> # A fatal error has been detected by the Java Runtime Environment:
#3343 [20:08] <Assailant> #
#3344 [20:08] <Assailant> # EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION (0xc0000005) at pc=0x00000000, pid=6920, tid=6348
#3345 [20:08] <Assailant> #
#3346 [20:08] <nevercast> BAHAHA
#3347 [20:08] <nevercast> Assailant, Use pastebin!
#3348 [20:08] <nevercast> Never past anything more than 3 lines
#3349 [20:08] <nevercast> ever.
#3350 [20:08] <Kealper> AuBot y u so slow
#3351 [20:08] <nevercast> *paste
#3352 [20:08] <Assailant> oh
#3353 [20:08] <Assailant> hold on...
#3354 [20:09] <Kealper> !status
#3355 [20:09] <nevercast> Kealper, He pasted.. data was already sent before AuBot got it
#3356 [20:09] <Kealper> hmm...only a 121ms ping to the server
#3357 [20:09] <Kealper> yeah, methinks he is probably on a different leaf
#3358 [20:09] <Kealper> so a few more packets got through before aubot could get it's ban through
#3359 [20:09] <nevercast> Yeah
#3360 [20:10] <Assailant> Sorry, new to IRC
#3361 [20:10] <nevercast> Hmmm.. Know what I'm hating Notch at the moment.
#3362 [20:10] <NinjaKirby> Oh god, if anyone's free to assist, my Server just failed completely
#3363 [20:10] <nevercast> Assailant, You'll learn quick :)
#3364 [20:10] <Kealper> NinjaKirby: :o
#3365 [20:10] <nevercast> NinjaKirby, Got any mods? :P
#3366 [20:10] <Kealper> hit meh
#3367 [20:10] <Assailant> http://pastebin.com/PbFPrQHP
#3368 [20:10] <NinjaKirby> No mods at all, just normal Survival Setup. I only just came to load it now (haven't played in a while), and I'm getting about 50 errors
#3369 [20:10] <nevercast> TL;DR
#3370 [20:10] <nevercast> lol.
#3371 [20:10] <Kealper> NinjaKirby: pastebin em?
#3372 [20:11] <nevercast> NinjaKirby, Updated your server?
#3373 [20:11] <NinjaKirby> Will do... and... oh? We still on 1.20_01 or whatever?
#3374 [20:11] <nevercast> I have no idea ^_^
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#3376 [20:11] <nevercast> I just keep shit updated.
#3377 [20:11] <Kealper> latest is 1.2_01
#3378 [20:11] <NinjaKirby> Yeah, I'm up to date then, I'll pastebin
#3379 [20:11] <nevercast> Wrong
#3380 [20:11] <nevercast> wait
#3381 [20:11] <nevercast> Is that server or client, Kealper?
#3382 [20:11] <Kealper> server
#3383 [20:11] <nevercast> Because my client reads 1.2_02
#3384 [20:11] <Kealper> client is 1.2_02
#3385 [20:12] <nevercast> Ahh so it is
#3386 [20:12] <nevercast> and FUCK I hit Ctrl+C in terminal to copy the version from the server.
#3387 [20:12] <nevercast> and of course.. Ctrl+C
#3388 [20:12] <nevercast> Kills the process
#3389 [20:12] <Kealper> the _02 update was just updating where the client downloaded the skins/cloaks from (used minecraft.net, now uses amazon's s3)
#3390 [20:12] <nevercast> DERP
#3391 [20:12] <Kealper> XD
#3392 [20:12] <SkiingPenguins> nevercast you got owned again
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#3394 [20:12] <nevercast> ^
#3395 [20:12] <nevercast> ye'
#3396 [20:13] * Kealper goes back and tweeks his chat server a bit
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#3397 [20:13] <nevercast> Which means I have to wait for my computer to download the map again!
#3398 [20:13] <NinjaKirby> http://pastebin.com/ZGm9XJ44 Here we go
#3399 [20:13] <Kealper> still a few bugs with the new system
#3400 [20:13] <nevercast> WHICH MEANS!!!!! I can't play MC for another 5 minutes
#3401 [20:13] <nevercast> Know what, Fuck Minecraft and it's abusive protocol! lol.
#3402 [20:13] <nevercast> I'm going to implement Kealpers protocol into .NET
#3403 [20:14] <Kealper> lol
#3404 [20:14] <NinjaKirby> I have never had this problem before, just happened out of nowhere.
#3405 [20:14] <Kealper> isn't it nice to get away from that nastyness and just look at simplicity once in a while? :P
#3406 [20:14] <NinjaKirby> I always gracefully close the server, for the record. Last time I closed it should be no different.
#3407 [20:14] <nevercast> Indeed it is Kealper.. But at least your protocol isn't a whore
#3408 [20:14] <nevercast> Minecrafts protocol is badly written.. The overhead has gotta be like 2000%
#3409 [20:15] <SkiingPenguins> haha
#3410 [20:15] <Kealper> yeah lol
#3411 [20:15] <nevercast> That is, there is more header data than game data per packet :P
#3412 [20:15] * GLaDOS deep fries Pigman
#3412 [20:15] <nevercast> ^
#3413 [20:15] <Kealper> i love how it feels the need to send 0x0A or w/e every friggin nanosecond, too -.-
#3414 [20:15] <nevercast> OMG yeah!
#3415 [20:15] <nevercast> Wtf is that about!
#3416 [20:16] <SkiingPenguins> whats that do
#3417 [20:16] <nevercast> Thanks for loading up my QOS bitch.
#3418 [20:16] <SkiingPenguins> is it like a ping ?
#3419 [20:16] <nevercast> SkiingPenguins, It's probably a ping command
#3420 [20:16] <Kealper> i have no idea lol, even mmos only send a keepalive ping like ~5-10 sec
#3421 [20:16] <Kealper> yeah it's a ping/keepalive
#3422 [20:16] <nevercast> Notch was a Wurm developer
#3423 [20:16] <nevercast> and being a Wurm Reverse Engineer I can tell you
#3424 [20:16] <nevercast> that client was no better
#3425 [20:16] <Kealper> o.o
#3426 [20:16] * Kealper sighs
#3426 [20:16] <SkiingPenguins> im bored. my english homework is boring
#3427 [20:16] <nevercast> why yo' sigh, Kealper ?
#3428 [20:17] <GLaDOS> your life is boring
#3429 [20:17] <AndrewPH|AFK> notch is by far one of the most successful bad programmers I've seen
#3430 [20:17] <Kealper> because he didn't learn anything from Wurm with netcode lol
#3431 [20:17] <nevercast> AndrewPH|AFK, I agree
#3432 [20:17] <Kealper> AndrewPH|AFK: indeed
#3433 [20:17] <AndrewPH|AFK> afk I goooo
#3434 [20:17] * Kealper waves
#3434 [20:17] <GLaDOS> k
#3435 [20:17] <NinjaKirby> Sorry to interrupt, did anyone catch my Pastebin? T_T Pretty serious error, right?
#3436 [20:18] <nevercast> Notch is proof that you don't have to be a good developer to make a good product.. You just need an idea
#3437 [20:18] <nevercast> Of BLOCKS!! 1m squared.. that you can mine..and wait.. then stack ;)
#3438 [20:18] <nevercast> 1m cubed *
#3439 [20:18] <Kealper> ok, checked it out
#3440 [20:19] <Kealper> NinjaKirby: want to hear something you don't want to hear?
#3441 [20:19] <NinjaKirby> Oh god... just let me have it
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#3443 [20:19] <Kealper> i hope you didn't like that map
#3444 [20:19] <GLaDOS> y u decompress map?
#3445 [20:19] <NinjaKirby> To be honest, I have several backups, but the last one is about 4 weeks old :/
#3446 [20:20] <NinjaKirby> Could it be any component of the many hundreds of files?
#3447 [20:20] <nevercast> 4 weeks is a long time in Minecraft days
#3448 [20:20] <Kealper> check other maps, to make sure it's not something bad with the game itself
#3449 [20:20] <GLaDOS> one or two files, yes
#3450 [20:20] <NinjaKirby> Thinking about it, I had my first BSOD the other day, I might have had the server running in the background
#3451 [20:20] <GLaDOS> good luck finding them ololololololo
#3452 [20:20] <nevercast> NinjaKirby, That would cause fail
#3453 [20:20] <Kealper> yeah
#3454 [20:21] <GLaDOS> try copy's map fixer thing or whater
#3455 [20:21] <Kealper> power failure/bsod has like a 99% chance to bork the map
#3456 [20:21] <nevercast> Heh!
#3457 [20:21] <nevercast> Max fixer replaces broken files..
#3458 [20:21] <GLaDOS> http://copyboy.tumblr.com/ its somewhere in there
#3459 [20:21] <NinjaKirby> Oh ah? Anything's worth a try, if there's a fixer utility I'll try it out :3
#3460 [20:21] <nevercast> Why is there a 16x16 mountain in my house!
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#3462 [20:21] <NinjaKirby> If not, roll back to old map time.
#3463 [20:21] <Kealper> nevercast: lol
#3464 [20:22] <nevercast> ^_^
#3465 [20:22] <Assailant> Can anyone please tell me why Mincraft keeps crashing? http://pastebin.com/PbFPrQHP
#3466 [20:22] <nevercast> Okay.. Knew Library.. Name 'KealperSCPLib'
#3467 [20:22] <nevercast> KGO!
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#3469 [20:23] <nevercast> Kealper, uhh.. wait.. Am I writing a server or client for your protocol?
#3470 [20:23] <GLaDOS> Paulo- i meant Assailant: looks like somethings blocking it from accessing RAM or something
#3471 [20:23] <GLaDOS> have you got any AVs running
#3472 [20:24] <Assailant> ah, let me check something in my Anti-virus
#3473 [20:24] <NinjaKirby> Is there a confirmed Utility to fixing, or is there just a suggestion one might exist? For clarification, before I go searching for hours on end
#3474 [20:24] <GLaDOS> you know, those strict ones that see a harmless .exe and go "ARR U SUAR U RAN DIS"
#3475 [20:24] <Kealper> nevercast: one could assume you'd be writing a client? i don't know, it was your idea lol
#3476 [20:24] <Assailant> I have the same AV on my laptop, but I think I made it more strict on my desktop
#3477 [20:24] <nevercast> Kealper, I know it was my idea but I take orders better than personal thought.
#3478 [20:25] <SkiingPenguins> Kealper MSE blocks me from compiling AutoHotKey scripts to .exe's but doesnt tell me that it is :P
#3479 [20:25] <Kealper> MSE doesn't bug AutoIt stuff :P
#3480 [20:25] <nevercast> Damn it.. Why couldn't they name 'Remove' as 'Delete'.
#3481 [20:25] <nevercast> So I don't confuse 'Rename' with 'Remove'
#3482 [20:26] <GLaDOS> LOLOLOLOLLOLLOLLOL
#3483 [20:26] <GLaDOS> erm, i meant ow
#3484 [20:26] <nevercast> lol.
#3485 [20:26] <Assailant> ok, I added the path to my excluded items and it still crashed
#3486 [20:27] <GLaDOS> did you add C:\Users\Paulo\AppData\.minecraft\bin\*.jar
#3487 [20:27] <GLaDOS> * is if you can do wildcards
#3488 [20:27] <nevercast> ERR_EMPTY_RESPONSE from Kealper DOT com.
#3489 [20:27] <aetherian> I prefer regular cards
#3490 [20:27] <nevercast> aetherian, Lol shh
#3491 [20:28] <nevercast> n.n
#3492 [20:28] <aetherian> getting too wild in here
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#3494 [20:28] <aetherian> u.u
#3495 [20:28] <GLaDOS> Connection to 67.177.131.104 failed. The system returned: (111) Connection refused
#3496 [20:28] <Kealper> eh?
#3497 [20:28] <nevercast> Kealper, Why are your site failing!
#3498 [20:28] <GLaDOS> problem, Kealper?
#3499 [20:28] * Kealper headtilts
#3499 [20:28] <nevercast> O.o
#3500 [20:28] <Llevel> Hey, I have a local minecraft server running on a dedicated box, it's all set up and running, and after I rebooted the box and started the server again I can't connect. I can still ssh in and everything, just no minecraft
#3501 [20:28] <Kealper> that's probably not good
#3502 [20:29] <Llevel> Any advice?
#3503 [20:29] <nevercast> GLaDOS, Maybe he are being DoS'd?
#3504 [20:29] * Kealper heads to debugfest
#3504 [20:29] <aetherian> lol
#3505 [20:29] <nevercast> Llevel, I'm going to assume it's linux
#3506 [20:29] <Kealper> short of fog DoSing me, a single machine won't do much :/
#3507 [20:29] <Llevel> nevercast, yeah, ubuntu
#3508 [20:29] <aetherian> DDoS, then ;)
#3509 [20:29] <nevercast> Llevel, are you sure it's on startup
#3510 [20:29] <aetherian> but I can ping the place quickly
#3511 [20:29] <nevercast> aetherian, Or someone with 100mbit
#3512 [20:30] <nevercast> Llevel, and has started?
#3513 [20:30] <Llevel> nevercast, yeah, I have it up in the ssh window running, I'm inputting commands an stuff
#3514 [20:30] <aetherian> kealper: I don't think google is ddosing you ;p
#3515 [20:30] <nevercast> Llevel, You say you can't connect though?
#3516 [20:30] <Llevel> Yeah, running on the default port
#3517 [20:30] <nevercast> Llevel, Sure it's not something like a DHCP IP that has changed?
#3518 [20:30] <Llevel> I can still ssh in with the same IP
#3519 [20:30] <Assailant> Added the folder and all the .jar files in the /bin/ folder and still crashes
#3520 [20:31] <Kealper> aetherian: google has a lot more than a single 100mbit connection
#3521 [20:31] <nevercast> Llevel, derp of course. Restart it from SSH and let me know if it's any different?
#3522 [20:31] <aetherian> Kealper: my point exactly
#3523 [20:31] <Llevel> Restart the server or the whole box?
#3524 [20:31] <nevercast> Llevel, Just the server/process
#3525 [20:31] <Kealper> ok, website works again
#3526 [20:31] <arensirb> !paid ADumbXmen
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#3528 [20:31] <arensirb> :(
#3529 [20:31] <arensirb> : p
#3530 [20:31] <aetherian> the wobsite works now?
#3531 [20:31] <Kealper> wobsite? dubsite ftw
#3532 [20:32] <arensirb> haha
#3533 [20:32] <Kealper> webstep?
#3534 [20:32] <nevercast> LOL
#3535 [20:32] <aetherian> why don't you ever update your blug
#3536 [20:32] <nevercast> Omg AuBot y so slow!
#3537 [20:32] <Llevel> No dice nevercast, still getting "connection timed out: connect"
#3538 [20:32] <Kealper> because i hate social networking
#3539 [20:32] <Moonwolf> ah i see not the onlyone with connection problems ^^
#3540 [20:32] <nevercast> Llevel, Is this Dedi hosted remotely?
#3541 [20:32] <Kealper> nevercast: minecraft.net must be SLOOOOOOOOW
#3542 [20:32] <Llevel> No in my basement
#3543 [20:32] <aetherian> kealper: a blug on a personal wobsite is not social networking
#3544 [20:32] <aetherian> otherwise
#3545 [20:32] <aetherian> I would agree with you
#3546 [20:32] <nevercast> !isdown google.com
#3547 [20:32] <GreyBot> nevercast: It's just you. http://google.com is up.
#3548 [20:32] <nevercast> !isdown minecraft.net
#3549 [20:32] <GreyBot> nevercast: It's not just you! http://minecraft.net looks down from here.
#3550 [20:33] <nevercast> Kealper speaks truth
#3551 [20:33] <Llevel> Minecraft.net is always down...
#3552 [20:33] <nevercast> What on bloody earth could be stopping you
#3553 [20:33] <Kealper> aetherian: social networking of any kind....if i can't get a response within 3 seconds from someone who is not a facebook whore, i don't like it >.>
#3554 [20:33] <nevercast> It's not like Linux are has firewallz
#3555 [20:34] <Llevel> Oh, my firewall. It could totally be that, hold on
#3556 [20:34] <aetherian> Kealper: wait what
#3557 [20:34] <Llevel> What's it called again...
#3558 [20:34] <nevercast> what's what now?
#3559 [20:34] <nevercast> Linux doesn't have a firewall lol
#3560 [20:34] <nevercast> It has IPTables
#3561 [20:34] <nevercast> which if left alone.. don't block
#3562 [20:34] <Llevel> I have shellwall installed...
#3563 [20:34] <Llevel> Er, shorewall
#3564 [20:34] <nevercast> Oh
#3565 [20:34] <nevercast> Okay lol.
#3566 [20:35] <Kealper> aetherian: i like instant messengers/chats, not social networking stuff like blogs/microblogs
#3567 [20:35] <nevercast> My Linux box are has no firewall :P
#3568 [20:35] <nevercast> Kealper, add me on msn :)
#3569 [20:35] <aetherian> Kealper: so you like facebook chat D:<
#3570 [20:35] <NinjaKirby> Ah, on the Forums it was suggested to just replace the Level.dats. Apparently my Map successfully, albeit partially built (77%).
#3571 [20:35] <Llevel> That's probably my issue too... let me play with that
#3572 [20:35] <Kealper> the one i'm on has iptables set more strict than any windows firewall could ever hope to be lol
#3573 [20:35] <nevercast> Kealper, Blocking in and outbound?
#3574 [20:35] <Kealper> indeed
#3575 [20:36] <Llevel> Fuck it, I'll just turn it off, I don't need a firewall
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#3577 [20:36] <Kealper> all traffic in/out is blocked, unless specifically allowed
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#3579 [20:37] <aetherian> Kealps, paranoia>
#3580 [20:37] <aetherian> *?
#3581 [20:37] <Assailant> I've even tried disabling my AV, Minecraft is still crashing
#3582 [20:37] <nevercast> Kealper, I like the way you think :P
#3583 [20:37] <nevercast> Kealper, When I set up my Dedi I'll have it looked down so tight.. that you'll have to press a physical button to enable SSH for 15 minutes
#3584 [20:37] <nevercast> ^_^
#3585 [20:37] <nevercast> *locked
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#3587 [20:38] <Kealper> i didn't set it up like that (my brother pays the bills for it, it's his box) but i do like that it's super locked down
#3588 [20:38] <aetherian> ...paranoi-
#3589 [20:38] <Kealper> a bit annoying some times though, like i can't do DCC anything for irc lol
#3590 [20:39] <aetherian> heh
#3591 [20:39] <nevercast> DCC is obsolete
#3592 [20:39] <nevercast> no one uses that anymore :P
#3593 [20:39] <nevercast> ... though some say that about irc in general
#3594 [20:39] <aetherian> here I thought DCing was bad... *badu-
#3595 [20:40] * Kealper goes back to chat server code optimising
#3595 [20:40] <Assailant> has anyone had luck with Minecraft in an Ubuntu VM?
#3596 [20:40] <kateract> I use dcc all the time
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#3598 [20:41] <aetherian> I DC all the time
#3599 [20:41] <nevercast> Assailant, Well I run Minecraft in Ubuntu natively
#3600 [20:41] <nevercast> Although
#3601 [20:41] <nevercast> Don't run Minecraft in a Virtual Machine
#3602 [20:41] <nevercast> LOL!
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#3604 [20:41] <nevercast> It has trouble running native.
#3605 [20:42] <Assailant> well, in my VM it gets to the Mojang logo and freezes, an improvement from my native OS >.>
#3606 [20:42] <Llevel> nevercast, totally fixed it, stupid firewall
#3607 [20:42] <Assailant> oh wait
#3608 [20:42] <kateract> Minecraft is already running on a java vm, putting it in another layer of VM is probably a bad idea lol
#3609 [20:42] <Assailant> it just loaded in my VM...
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#3611 [20:42] <Assailant> it's probably gonna be really laggy though...
#3612 [20:43] <Llevel> Yeah, don't bother, I tried it, and you can connect, but even locally it's not worth running Assailant
#3613 [20:43] <Assailant> yeah, I was getting like a few frames a second lol
#3614 [20:43] <Llevel> Also, for the record, don't use MineOS if you plan on running a dedicated box, it's terrible. The web ui is neat and stuff, but lags hard
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#3616 [20:44] <fisken> hello?
#3617 [20:44] <Kealper> Llevel: were you running it on a VPS?
#3618 [20:44] <nevercast> Llevel, Yeah firewalls are lame
#3619 [20:44] <nevercast> Kealper, No his basement
#3620 [20:44] <Kealper> no, i mean Mine OS
#3621 [20:44] <Llevel> Had a dedicated box.
#3622 [20:45] <Assailant> well, at least I know it's definitely not a hardware issue if it runs in VirtualBox, I just don't understand what's causing Java to act up
#3623 [20:45] <Llevel> I think some of the networking stuff is probably screwed up, because ubuntu runs it fine
#3624 [20:47] <Assailant> anyone here running Java 6 update 23 with Minecraft?
#3625 [20:47] <fisken> is the server having trouble right now?
#3626 [20:49] <Moonwolf> !help
#3627 [20:49] <nevercast> Assailant, I have latest java
#3628 [20:49] <nevercast> so yes.
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#3630 [20:49] <nevercast> !reinstall
#3631 [20:49] <nevercast> awh.. not what I thought
#3632 [20:49] <Moonwolf> !check moonmc.dyndns-ip.com
#3633 [20:51] <GLaDOS> !check minecraft.net:80
#3634 [20:51] <Kealper> nevercast: what did you think !reinstall did? lol
#3635 [20:51] <GLaDOS> WAT
#3636 [20:51] <nevercast> Kealper, Idk.. Bot removes and reloads modules?
#3637 [20:51] <Kealper> psh, that's !unloadall
#3638 [20:51] <GLaDOS> !list
#3639 [20:51] <GLaDOS> !unloadall
#3640 [20:51] <GLaDOS> TROLOLOLOLOL
#3641 [20:52] <GLaDOS> ...not op based?
#3642 [20:52] <Kealper> !status
#3643 [20:52] <GLaDOS> :c
#3644 [20:52] <Kealper> still all loaded :P
#3645 [20:52] <GLaDOS> u sonofa
#3646 [20:52] <GLaDOS> -status
#3647 [20:52] <GLaDOS> -unloadall
#3648 [20:52] <GLaDOS> -barin
#3649 [20:52] <GLaDOS> -INTERNETS
#3650 [20:52] * VoxelHead kicked GLaDOS from #MineCraftHelp (Reason: flood)
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#3652 [20:52] <Moonwolf> -loadbrain
#3653 [20:53] <Moonwolf> not found
#3654 [20:53] <Kealper> hmm....i don't think i like VoxelHead
#3655 [20:53] <GLaDOS> who the hell is VoxelHead
#3656 [20:53] <Kealper> GLaDOS: it's whitelist-based, not chanop
#3657 [20:53] <fisken> i'm trying to log in to my own server, but i'm getting a connection lost error. whyyyy?
#3658 [20:53] <Moonwolf> MC.net is down
#3659 [20:53] <Kealper> and it's the FAQ bot....but for some reason it "manages" bans and has a flood protection thing on it....
#3660 [20:53] * GLaDOS kicked VoxelHead from #MineCraftHelp (Reason: one bot at a time. bitch.)
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#3662 [20:54] <Moonwolf> ololol
#3663 [20:54] <GLaDOS> its an eggdrop
#3664 [20:54] <GLaDOS> psh
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#3666 [20:54] <GLaDOS> AuBot: ban VoxelHead
#3667 [20:54] <GLaDOS> DO EEEET
#3668 [20:54] <Kealper> ur doin it wrong
#3669 [20:54] <Kealper> wait
#3670 [20:54] <Kealper> nvm
#3671 [20:54] <GLaDOS> i know
#3672 [20:54] <GLaDOS> !kick VoxelHead
#3673 [20:54] * AuBot kicked VoxelHead from #MinecraftHelp (Reason: Don't let the door hit ya where the dogs should have bit ya! (Issued by GLaDOS with reason: None given.))
#3674 [20:55] <Kealper> gg
#3675 [20:55] <GLaDOS> TROLOLOLOLO
#3676 [20:55] * Kealper walks away slowly
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#3677 [20:55] <Kealper> oh, good thing it accepts that lol
#3678 [20:55] <GLaDOS> anyway
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#3680 [20:55] <fisken> um, can someone please help me?
#3681 [20:55] <NinjaKirby> wtf, did he Notice?
#3682 [20:55] <Kealper> NinjaKirby: GLaDOS?
#3683 [20:55] <GLaDOS> i invit'd
#3684 [20:56] <NinjaKirby> Uh, Voxel... I'm confused, never mind
#3685 [20:56] <NinjaKirby> Just wondering where the noise came from
#3686 [20:56] <Kealper> +p? that sounds spiffy
#3687 [20:56] <GLaDOS> the voices are inviting people D:
#3688 [20:56] <GLaDOS> /raw help cmode
#3689 [20:58] <fisken> please, can someone help me?
#3690 [20:58] <Assailant> I'm thinking I should just give MineOS a try...
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#3694 [21:00] <Kealper> fisken: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!"
#3695 [21:00] <fisken> yea i did ask, twice
#3696 [21:00] <Kealper> just ask the question, if someone knows, they'll answer it
#3697 [21:00] <Kealper> oh
#3698 [21:01] * Kealper scrolls up
#3698 [21:01] <Kealper> right then
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#3700 [21:01] <fisken> so, the servers having trouble right? sure seems like it
#3701 [21:02] <Kealper> indeed, minecraft.net is being whiney today
#3702 [21:02] <fisken> also, you know the "save-all" command for the server right?
#3703 [21:03] <Kealper> yeah
#3704 [21:03] <Kealper> save-all makes the server flush the current state of everything to the hdd
#3705 [21:04] <GLaDOS> save-off disables save-all
#3706 [21:04] <fisken> does it completely back up the world onto your harddrive? because last time the server went down, i went back into my servers world after the server was up again obviously, and i had none of my items and i couldn't find anything that i had made
#3707 [21:04] <Assailant> Forget it, I'll just wait until my next PC build. Laptop it is for now :/
#3708 [21:04] <Assailant> Thanks for the help tho
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#3711 [21:05] <weirdo> is minecraft multiplayer down?
#3712 [21:06] <Kealper> fisken: for the most part it does, but some things are not saved with it
#3713 [21:06] <fisken> Kealper: like what?
#3714 [21:06] <weirdo> oh hey there kealper
#3715 [21:06] <Kealper> i think player data is not saved
#3716 [21:06] <Kealper> that is only saved when the user logs out of the server, iirc
#3717 [21:06] <fisken> Kealper: so my world should be safe?
#3718 [21:08] <Kealper> should be....lol
#3719 [21:08] <Kealper> but random crashes could still screw with it, so it's best to make periodic backups with something like winrar, tar, zip, etc
#3720 [21:08] <weirdo> is it not letting anyone else log into their minecraft account?
#3721 [21:09] <weirdo> nevermind
#3722 [21:09] <weirdo> letting me in now after about 30 mins
#3723 [21:09] <fisken> Kealper: how could i farther back up the world if it's saved on the harddisk?
#3724 [21:09] <fisken> further*
#3725 [21:10] <fisken> Kealper: the files for the world are on my computer aren't they? unless i'm saving them somewhere else when i use /save-all?
#3726 [21:10] <Kealper> fisken: it still has the file handles open when it's working with them, so there is still a chance that some files could get screwed up if the server can't close the open handles
#3727 [21:10] <Kealper> and no, save-all saves to your server's world folder
#3728 [21:11] <fisken> Kealper: which is on my computer
#3729 [21:11] <Kealper> one could assume it's on your computer lol
#3730 [21:11] <Kealper> it'd be in the same folder that your server is running from :P
#3731 [21:12] <weirdo> ok and minecraft is down again... can someone see if minecraft is letting them log in?
#3732 [21:12] <Kealper> so that's why i say you should make periodic archives of your world folder with winrar, winzip, 7zip, tar...etc
#3733 [21:12] <fisken> Kealper: why? i don't understand how the files can be screwed with
#3734 [21:13] <SkiingPenguins> 7zip for the win
#3735 [21:13] <Kealper> fisken: it's just the joys of the way operating systems work with file handles
#3736 [21:14] <fisken> Kealper: what are file handles?
#3737 [21:14] <SkiingPenguins> the act of manipulating a file on your hard drive i think
#3738 [21:14] <Kealper> a thing that points to a file that has been loaded in to the machine's RAM, instead of a specific spot on the hdd
#3739 [21:15] <SkiingPenguins> >.<
#3740 [21:15] <weirdo> penguins could you help me out?
#3741 [21:15] <SkiingPenguins> weirdo with?
#3742 [21:15] <Kealper> makes working with those open files FAR faster
#3743 [21:15] <weirdo> I saved the server, turned off auto saving, and changed hellworld to true in my server properties
#3744 [21:15] <weirdo> after I was done goofing off, I shut down the server and set hell to false and I lost all my inventory
#3745 [21:15] <weirdo> but the world was as I left it
#3746 [21:16] <fisken> Kealper: i see. thanks for the help
#3747 [21:16] <weirdo> do you know how to prevent this?
#3748 [21:16] <weirdo> or what exactly caused it
#3749 [21:16] <Kealper> but since the file data is now on the RAM, if the computer loses power, everything that was on the RAM (including that data that the file handles pointed to) is gone
#3750 [21:18] <fisken> Kealper: ah
#3751 [21:18] <weirdo> penguins you there?
#3752 [21:22] <weirdo> ?
#3753 [21:24] <Kealper> O.o
#3754 [21:24] <weirdo> lol, kealper do you want to help me out?
#3755 [21:24] <Kealper> idk, what'd ya need help with?
#3756 [21:24] <weirdo> well I turned off server saving, turned hellworld=true on just to see what would happen
#3757 [21:25] <weirdo> after screwing around for a bit with save off, I stopped server and turned hellworld off, and all my inventory went away :C anyway to prevent this in the future
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#3759 [21:25] <weirdo> or more specifically, what did I do that caused my inventory to dissapear
#3760 [21:25] <fizyplankton> if im making a mob grinder, it only needs to be 2+ blocks wide if i want to kill spiders, right?
#3761 [21:26] <fizyplankton> if im on peacefull, it can just be one block wide, right?
#3762 [21:26] <weirdo> fizyplankton: I and pretty sure and on peaceful no spiders spawn
#3763 [21:26] <weirdo> 2 blocks wide is all you need I believe
#3764 [21:26] <fizyplankton> yeah i know
#3765 [21:27] <fizyplankton> i mean if im on peace full, is only 1 neccessary?
#3766 [21:27] <weirdo> none are necesary because spiders dont spawn
#3767 [21:27] <weirdo> what are you trying to do on peaceful?
#3768 [21:27] <fizyplankton> becauuse the design of this trap would be a pain to make it 2 wind
#3769 [21:27] <fizyplankton> mob traps
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#3771 [21:27] <weirdo> but on peaceful no mobs are present
#3772 [21:27] <fizyplankton> cows, pigs, sheeps, etc
#3773 [21:28] <weirdo> ah yes, one block wide
#3774 [21:28] <fizyplankton> ok thx
#3775 [21:28] <weirdo> minecraft wiki has it if you want to double check
#3776 [21:28] <weirdo> and no problem
#3777 [21:28] <weirdo> I just read about it today
#3778 [21:28] <fizyplankton> and should the lava be at the hight of the water or one block above?
#3779 [21:28] <fizyplankton> the wiki says one block above
#3780 [21:28] <weirdo> id go with that then man lol
#3781 [21:28] <fizyplankton> but i think cows and pigs and sheep might slip thru it
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#3783 [21:28] <fizyplankton> oh well
#3784 [21:29] <weirdo> wiki never lies
#3785 [21:29] <weirdo> try it with a small version
#3786 [21:29] <weirdo> and then expand if necessar
#3787 [21:29] * fizyplankton is sorry i ever doubted it
#3787 [21:29] <weirdo> also kealper: you there lol?
#3788 [21:29] <Kealper> rawr
#3789 [21:29] <Kealper> forgot about you, sorry lol
#3790 [21:29] <weirdo> so uh, did you read what I typed?
#3791 [21:29] <weirdo> np man
#3792 [21:30] * Kealper scrolls up
#3792 [21:30] <weirdo> glad enough that you are lending me your time
#3793 [21:31] <Kealper> i think that issue stems from the same "save-all not saving player data"
#3794 [21:31] <weirdo> que?
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#3796 [21:31] <weirdo> oh so you mean
#3797 [21:31] <weirdo> save-all does not save player data like location and inventory
#3798 [21:31] <TrickedPast> Why in the world can noone here me in the #minecraft channel
#3799 [21:31] <Kealper> i would assume save-off does not affect player data, since that is only touched at all by the server when a player logs on or logs out
#3800 [21:32] <TrickedPast> Can you people hear me????????????????????????????????????/
#3801 [21:32] <weirdo> ok, so you are saying player data is saved auto no matter what when a player logs in and out
#3802 [21:32] <TrickedPast> D:D:D:
#3803 [21:32] <weirdo> trickedpast: yessir
#3804 [21:32] <TrickedPast> YAY!
#3805 [21:33] <Kealper> i don't think you pressed the ? enough
#3806 [21:33] <TrickedPast> No one can hear me on the #minecraft channel
#3807 [21:33] <SkiingPenguins> -,- <- curly nosed annoyed face
#3808 [21:33] <TrickedPast> D :
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#3810 [21:33] <Kealper> TrickedPast: register with nickserv
#3811 [21:33] <TrickedPast> How?
#3812 [21:33] <TrickedPast> Im a noob
#3813 [21:33] <TrickedPast> with IRC
#3814 [21:34] <weirdo> kealper: so how do I manage saving and deleting player info
#3815 [21:34] <aetherian> kealper, we need to add something with this into the topic/aubot message
#3816 [21:34] <Kealper> /msg nickserv register password email
#3817 [21:34] <TrickedPast> oh ok
#3818 [21:34] <Kealper> where password is the one you want, and email is your email address
#3819 [21:34] <TrickedPast> thanks :D
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#3821 [21:34] <SkiingPenguins> wow
#3822 [21:35] <weirdo> lol
#3823 [21:35] <aetherian> we reaaaaly need something with that in the messages
#3824 [21:35] <weirdo> so kealper how do I manage the player info like spawning and inventory?
#3825 [21:36] <Kealper> aetherian: we have someting to do that message....i just forget the command
#3826 [21:36] <Kealper> and i also forget the help file that has all the commands in it XD
#3827 [21:36] <aetherian> !irc
#3828 [21:36] <aetherian> !register
#3829 [21:36] <aetherian> oh well
#3830 [21:36] <Kealper> weirdo: can't really :/
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#3832 [21:37] <weirdo> damn
#3833 [21:37] <weirdo> so how is it managed by the program then?
#3834 [21:37] <weirdo> just whenever players log in and out
#3835 [21:37] <aetherian> heh
#3836 [21:38] <Kealper> weirdo: what program? some NBT editor you are making? or a backup utility?
#3837 [21:38] <weirdo> sorry like, how does the server deal with playerinfo
#3838 [21:38] <weirdo> bad terminology
#3839 [21:40] <Kealper> uhh....opens the player's dat file, loads info into ram, closes file when they log in
#3840 [21:41] <Kealper> modifies the copy that is in the ram until they log off, then it opens the dat file again, writes the stuff from the ram into said dat file, then closes it
#3841 [21:41] <weirdo> ok
#3842 [21:42] <weirdo> because I was connected to my server in offline mode and had no inventory, but after it let me login my inventory and last location was reloaded
#3843 [21:42] <weirdo> would just like to prevent hiccups like that
#3844 [21:45] <Kealper> that was not a hiccup
#3845 [21:45] <Kealper> when you are in offline mode on the client your username is "Player"
#3846 [21:45] <Kealper> so it was trying to load the player data for a whole different username
#3847 [21:45] <weirdo> oooh so it doesnt load the data file for my username
#3848 [21:45] <weirdo> ok that makes sense now
#3849 [21:45] <weirdo> so that also means if people join under a pirated game copy with player, it's a shared account for everyone?
#3850 [21:46] <weirdo> because it is the same data file because they share the name "player"
#3851 [21:46] <Kealper> yeah, but normally "Player" is a name that it will not let log in, it only allows that when the server is in offline mode
#3852 [21:47] <weirdo> ok, thats pretty cool though. guess I learned something new today. thanks for your help again I appreciate it
#3853 [21:47] <Kealper> i have the username "Player" banned, if i ever run my server in offline mode, people still can't use that username lol
#3854 [21:47] <weirdo> yeah you told me about that
#3855 [21:48] <weirdo> I do too I just thought that was interesting how it only loads their name
#3856 [21:48] <weirdo> but thanks again, seeya around
#3857 [21:48] <Kealper> yup, np lol
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#3860 [21:54] <tazlin> So, by chance, is anyone here that I can field a question to?
#3861 [21:54] <Kealper> depends
#3862 [21:54] <Kealper> and not the diapers
#3863 [21:54] <Kealper> what's the question about?
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#3865 [21:55] <tazlin> Well, I recently started experiencing audio stuttering/popping/crackling in minecraft whenever I'm breaking a block. It extends to my system audio
#3866 [21:55] <Kealper> os?
#3867 [21:55] <tazlin> It also feels like the framerates are dropping, but it doesnt report that
#3868 [21:55] <tazlin> XP
#3869 [21:55] <tazlin> Java is up to date
#3870 [21:56] <fizyplankton> xp ftw!!!!!!!!
#3871 [21:56] <Kealper> audio drivers?
#3872 [21:56] <tazlin> Up to date; reinstalled for good measure twice
#3873 [21:56] <tazlin> Uninstalled, reboot, installed,
#3874 [21:56] <Kealper> hmm....
#3875 [21:56] <tazlin> they were known good ones too
#3876 [21:56] <tazlin> the issue came up fairly randomly
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#3879 [21:57] <Kealper> have you tried just turning the sound effect volume in minecraft down and back up?
#3880 [21:57] * Kealper has not heard of random audio trouble like this before
#3880 [21:57] <tazlin> ive tried many combinations, nothing improves/hurts it
#3881 [21:57] <aetherian> dammit, tabs fail on my compy
#3882 [21:57] <aetherian> sorry grey
#3883 [21:57] <tazlin> i also tried a manual install of openal
#3884 [21:57] <tazlin> but, again, it was all working before
#3885 [21:58] <tazlin> the only thing i can think of is that i did a defrag; but i tried installing my javavm on a different harddisk and changing the data folder to be on that one (non-os disk)
#3886 [21:58] <tazlin> and that would be silly anyway
#3887 [21:59] <tazlin> im at a complete loss
#3888 [21:59] <tazlin> it makes the game implayable; if i have music on it stuttering and cracks
#3889 [21:59] <Kealper> hmmm....can't find anything about this on getsatisfaction either :/
#3890 [21:59] <Kealper> i have no idea :/
#3891 [21:59] <tazlin> meh, it was worth a shot
#3892 [22:00] <tazlin> whats especially irritating is that it was working perfectly fine, same revision and everything
#3893 [22:00] <Kealper> you're free to stay here and wait for other people who are voiced/oped, one of them might have heard of this issue before
#3894 [22:01] <Kealper> and nothing changed aside from the defrag? (which would not do it)
#3895 [22:01] <tazlin> i'm using the same antivirus/firewall as before
#3896 [22:01] <tazlin> no hardware/software changes
#3897 [22:01] <Kealper> tried disabling the antivirus?
#3898 [22:01] <tazlin> and the firewall
#3899 [22:02] <tazlin> ive also tried disabling all non essential services and closing all other programs
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#3901 [22:04] <tazlin> and ive tried the factory vs latest sound drivers
#3902 [22:04] <Kealper> .-.
#3903 [22:04] <tazlin> its not a cpu stress issue either
#3904 [22:04] <tazlin> i can put it alone on its own core with no more than 50% strain
#3905 [22:04] <tazlin> same issue
#3906 [22:05] <Kealper> hmm...
#3907 [22:05] <tazlin> ive got an i5 750 and a gtx 260
#3908 [22:05] <tazlin> 4 gig of ram
#3909 [22:05] <tazlin> i cant imagine hardware is the problem
#3910 [22:06] <Kealper> why not get windows 7 on that? it'll run better, look nicer, and have directx 11 support :/
#3911 [22:06] <tazlin> partially stubbornness and partially laziness
#3912 [22:06] <Kealper> (subtle hint at saying it's probably OS-related, and to try reinstall it)
#3913 [22:06] <Kealper> meh
#3914 [22:06] <tazlin> yea
#3915 [22:07] <tazlin> as much as id hate to
#3916 [22:07] <tazlin> i feel like im going to be forced to
#3917 [22:07] <tazlin> reinstalling is such a hassle
#3918 [22:07] <Kealper> i switched to 7 when it first came out...never looked back, it's by far the best OS microsoft has made
#3919 [22:07] <tazlin> i dont disagree with you
#3920 [22:08] <tazlin> maybe this is a reason to get it
#3921 [22:08] <Kealper> reinstalling it is nice too, the installer is just like you are in windows lol, you just click next on the window and stuff and fill in info when it asks
#3922 [22:08] <tazlin> thats not really what i meant
#3923 [22:08] <tazlin> i mean losing all your system/policy settings
#3924 [22:08] <Kealper> reinstalling all the programs and such afterwards?
#3925 [22:08] <Kealper> oh, yeah lol
#3926 [22:08] <tazlin> they're on different drives, thats less of an issue
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#3928 [22:10] <tazlin> well, thanks anyway, it was sort of a long shot i suppose
#3929 [22:10] <tazlin> it could be a million and one things
#3930 [22:10] <Kealper> yeah, sorry i could not help :/
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#3943 [22:42] <icbat> Hey all =) hate to join and immediately start posting, but I'm having issues getting the .jar to run on an Ubuntu machine that I don't have sudo or root access to (and therefore can't use the script in the FAQ). I'm getting a fatal java error after the updating process runs, but before the main menu is displayed.
#3944 [22:43] <icbat> (.jar for the client)
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#3947 [22:50] <puddinsnacks> anyone know why my account wouldn't be in the system anymore?
#3948 [22:52] <lemon-rev> what was the username
#3949 [22:52] <puddinsnacks> brian71086 i believe
#3950 [22:52] <lemon-rev> !paid brian71086
#3951 [22:52] <puddinsnacks> i bought it in september, computer died about 2 weeks later and just got another one
#3952 [22:52] <lemon-rev> hm
#3953 [22:53] <puddinsnacks> i have the paypal email
#3954 [22:53] <puddinsnacks> forwarded it to support@mojang.com but no response so far
#3955 [22:53] <lemon-rev> well best way is to email majong or whatnot from minecraft and email them your paypal payment details
#3956 [22:53] <lemon-rev> hm
#3957 [22:53] <puddinsnacks> !paid puddinsnacks
#3958 [22:53] <lemon-rev> i can onyl hope they will get back to you
#3959 [22:54] <puddinsnacks> would be nice :)
#3960 [22:54] <puddinsnacks> it doesn't expire after a certain time does it?
#3961 [22:54] <lemon-rev> it shount expire at all
#3962 [22:54] <lemon-rev> and thats why i dont know why, emailing who you did was prob the only thing we can do for you at this moment in time
#3963 [22:54] <puddinsnacks> paid EUR 9.95 USD 13.59
#3964 [22:55] <puddinsnacks> alright
#3965 [22:55] <puddinsnacks> i guess i'll keep waiting
#3966 [22:55] <lemon-rev> sorry,
#3967 [22:55] <lemon-rev> cant do anything this way
#3968 [22:55] <puddinsnacks> no worries
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#3970 [22:56] <puddinsnacks> probably for the best. i would be up for the next couple of hours playing it and i have to be up early for work
#3971 [22:57] <lemon-rev> well it doesnt trouble me cause i play it half the time im at home anyways and yes still manage to get up early lol
#3972 [22:57] <puddinsnacks> very nice
#3973 [22:58] <lemon-rev> yup yup, verry addicting game
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#3976 [23:08] <Rait> Anyone still "here"?
#3977 [23:09] <Miniminers512> !paid fr0gb3rt
#3978 [23:09] <Miniminers512> Yesh I have
#3979 [23:09] <Miniminers512> O.O
#3980 [23:10] <Kealper> minecraft.net might be screwing up....again...
#3981 [23:10] <Kealper> !paid
#3982 [23:10] <Kealper> bastard
#3983 [23:10] <Kealper> !paid me
#3984 [23:10] <Kealper> or not?
#3985 [23:10] <Rait> !paid Raitoningu
#3986 [23:10] <Kealper> !paid fr0gb3rt
#3987 [23:10] <Rait> Hey kealper, do you know if you turn off a specific monster?
#3988 [23:10] <Kealper> Miniminers512: it hates you
#3989 [23:10] <Kealper> Rait: not without a modded server :/
#3990 [23:10] <Miniminers512> Ike
#3991 [23:11] <Rait> Eh. Oh well. Spider's are a bitch.
#3992 [23:11] <Miniminers512> I hate all animals in minecraft
#3993 [23:11] <Iguana> !paid Iguana
#3994 [23:11] <Iguana> woopwoop
#3995 [23:12] <Miniminers512> The reason why s because it gets way too anoying
#3996 [23:12] <Kealper> play in peaceful then :P
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#3999 [23:15] <StaIkker> I keep getting a black screen when i try to play minecraft beta after the loading screen, does anybody know how to fix this?
#4000 [23:15] <StaIkker> im running windows xp btdubs
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#4005 [23:33] <fisken> hey Kealper you there?
#4006 [23:34] <Kealper> rawr
#4007 [23:34] <fisken> Kealper: lol hey, so, i'm logging into my server and everything is working fine, but my brother who's on my lan can't connect to it
#4008 [23:34] <aetherian> eek
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#4010 [23:34] <fisken> Kealper: and he's been able to connect to it in the past, this is the first time i'm having trouble
#4011 [23:36] <Kealper> has it's ip changed?
#4012 [23:38] <fisken> Kealper: nope
#4013 [23:38] <Kealper> hmm....weird
#4014 [23:39] <fisken> indeed
#4015 [23:40] <fisken> Kealper: i'm clueless to what could be causing this
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#4017 [23:41] <Kealper> hmm...do you know what the hosts file is?
#4018 [23:41] <fisken> Kealper: i don't know what you mean
#4019 [23:41] <Kealper> windows hosts file
#4020 [23:41] <Kealper> C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc
#4021 [23:41] <Kealper> there will be a file without an extension in there called hosts
#4022 [23:42] <fisken> Kealper: well we both use linux, so that certainly wouldn't be it
#4023 [23:42] <Kealper> oh
#4024 [23:42] <Kealper> derp
#4025 [23:42] <fisken> lol
#4026 [23:42] <Kealper> i should seriously make it a channel rule to have people state what OS they run when they need help xD
#4027 [23:42] <fisken> haha sorry
#4028 [23:43] <Kealper> yeah, i have no idea why it would not work then, the thing i was thinking was a recent scam to phish people's accounts by abusing the windows hosts file
#4029 [23:43] <fisken> oh
#4030 [23:43] <Kealper> (resolves names to IPs and such before they hit a DNS)
#4031 [23:43] <fisken> ah
#4032 [23:44] <fisken> !paid me
#4033 [23:44] <fisken> whoa
#4034 [23:44] <Kealper> .-.
#4035 [23:45] <fisken> !help
#4036 [23:48] <Kealper> fisken: GreyVulpine, DopeGhoti, or xales would be more suited for help with your linux needs, i'm the windows guru, not the linux one :/
#4037 [23:49] <fisken> Kealper: thanks i'll keep that in mind
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#4039 [23:56] <aetherian> kealper: you guys need a (lol) mac guru
#4040 [23:56] <aetherian> I guess that's be an (lol) mac guru
#4041 [23:56] <aetherian> not sure
#4042 [23:56] <aetherian> *that'd
#4043 [23:57] <Kealper> xales has an old mac laptop
#4044 [23:57] <Kealper> and macs are unix-like so you can usually just give linux support to mac users and everything works out fine
#4045 [23:57] <aetherian> "why can't I play linux on my mac II?!@oneoneone"
#4046 [23:58] <DopeGhoti> morning, kids
#4047 [23:58] <Kealper> ello
#4048 [23:59] <aetherian> morning, old fogey