#1 [00:00] <G1aDOS> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14949668/Paste.txt
#2 [00:00] <G1aDOS> That's the command line with SLI disabled
#3 [00:00] <xales> There we go
#4 [00:00] <xales> I've never seen that error before...interseting
#5 [00:00] <It> thats normal
#6 [00:00] <xales> GreyVulpine: ?
#7 [00:00] <G1aDOS> And I have tried the browser version with no more success than this. I removed as many Java listings as there were (1) in CCleaner's list.
#8 [00:00] <GreyVulpine> I've seen that error before, can't remember with that
#9 [00:00] <GreyVulpine> what*
#10 [00:00] <It> happens on every clean install
#11 [00:00] <It> couldn't find previuosly used login creds
#12 [00:01] <GreyVulpine> Usually happens when the client can't create the lastlogin file in %appdata%/.minecraft
#13 [00:01] <xales> Oh, that's normal
#14 [00:01] <xales> I think...?
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#16 [00:01] <It> yes its nothing to worry about
#17 [00:01] <It> (notice it kept going)
#18 [00:01] <GreyVulpine> Ah, you're right
#19 [00:02] <It> do me a favor and run 'java -version'
#20 [00:02] <It> just paste the output here, its only 3 lines
#21 [00:03] <G1aDOS> okay
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#23 [00:03] <G1aDOS> C:\Documents and Settings\Alex Howard>java -version
#24 [00:03] <G1aDOS> java version "1.6.0_25"
#25 [00:03] <G1aDOS> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_25-b06)
#26 [00:03] <G1aDOS> Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 20.0-b11, mixed mode, sharing)
#27 [00:04] <bread> G1aDOS
#28 [00:04] <bread> lol
#29 [00:05] <It> i dunno, but despite the reinstalls, greys probably right
#30 [00:05] <It> its probably something wrong with java
#31 [00:05] <It> but one more thing you might try
#32 [00:05] <GreyVulpine> There's nothing pointing elsewhere at the moment.
#33 [00:05] <It> make a new user account (in windows) without a space in the name
#34 [00:05] <It> and try it on that account
#35 [00:06] <G1aDOS> Can I just use the "hidden" administrator account?
#36 [00:06] <It> yeah that will be fine
#37 [00:06] <G1aDOS> okay. bbs
#38 [00:06] <It> but actually login as them
#39 [00:06] <G1aDOS> yeah
#40 [00:06] <It> don't just runas
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#42 [00:13] <G1aDOS> No luck guys.
#43 [00:13] <G1aDOS> As soon as I ran the in-browser client it updated then crashed
#44 [00:13] <xales> G1aDOS: Try reinstalling Java yet again, maybe?
#45 [00:13] <G1aDOS> okay
#46 [00:13] <xales> can't hurt I guess...
#47 [00:13] <xales> make sure to reboot after installing it
#48 [00:15] <G1aDOS> Uninstalled, now doing registry scan...
#49 [00:15] <G1aDOS> now for the reboot..
#50 [00:16] <Orbitoid> xales: looks like it didnt fix the issue. the server still stopped itself
#51 [00:16] <xales> Orbitoid: The server is in /home/minecraftnomods and the user it's running as is 'minecraftnomods', yes?
#52 [00:19] <Orbitoid> no
#53 [00:19] <Orbitoid> the user running it is "minecraft"
#54 [00:19] <xales> You should put it in a folder in /home/minecraft then
#55 [00:19] <Orbitoid> kk
#56 [00:21] <Orbitoid> whats the path to the minecraft server jar again?
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#59 [00:21] <Orbitoid> i mean to redownload it
#60 [00:21] <GreyVulpine> !server
#61 [00:21] <G1aDOS> Okay, I am now Java-free, preparing to install chromeinstall-6u25.exe
#62 [00:23] <G1aDOS> Successfully installed
#63 [00:24] <Orbitoid> yes
#64 [00:24] <Orbitoid> wait sorry wrong window
#65 [00:25] <G1aDOS> Same result
#66 [00:27] <G1aDOS> at the time of crashing, Javaw.exe was using 50% CPU and about 100k Memory. Is this normal?
#67 [00:27] <xales> 50% CPU...probably not
#68 [00:28] <xales> Do you have any antivirus software running? It's possible it could be interfering with it
#69 [00:28] <G1aDOS> I manually disabled it
#70 [00:29] <xales> Have you made any changes to your computer (installed or removed something) since it started crashing?
#71 [00:29] <G1aDOS> No. I shutdown at about 3 CST this morning, and have been at school and with my girlfriend until about 10PM I returned to find this
#72 [00:30] <G1aDOS> Java also crashes when I try to run Runescape (another Java based browser game, if you're not familiar)
#73 [00:31] <GreyVulpine> You said you were running winxp sp3?
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#75 [00:31] <G1aDOS> Correct
#76 [00:31] <GreyVulpine> Could you head to your control panel -> administrative tools -> event viewer
#77 [00:31] <yo> hey i cant create a acount help m please
#78 [00:31] <GreyVulpine> See if there's any entries for java in there.
#79 [00:31] <G1aDOS> I'm there
#80 [00:31] <GreyVulpine> Check applications, or system
#81 [00:32] <GreyVulpine> yo - Yeah, the captcha thing is down
#82 [00:32] <GreyVulpine> Mojang's aware of it, and will fix it soon
#83 [00:32] <yo> im trying to create a account for minecraft and its not letting me it says catcha failed
#84 [00:32] <yo> ohh
#85 [00:32] <yo> k
#86 [00:33] <yo> wll still get the discount in time?
#87 [00:33] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#88 [00:33] <GreyVulpine> Minecraft isn't coming out of beta before November.
#89 [00:33] <G1aDOS> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14949668/Paste.txt
#90 [00:33] <yo> wow 20 dollars
#91 [00:33] <yo> is it worth it do you think?
#92 [00:33] <GreyVulpine> faulting module nvoglnt.dll
#93 [00:33] <GreyVulpine> That's saying your nvidia drivers are at fault
#94 [00:34] <G1aDOS> not at all surprised... horrible company when it comes to drivers
#95 [00:34] <GreyVulpine> yo - Yes it is
#96 [00:34] <GreyVulpine> G1aDOS - Better than ATI's, in my experience.
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#98 [00:35] <GreyVulpine> From here, a reinstall of your video drivers?
#99 [00:35] <G1aDOS> trying something different, but if this doesnt work, yes
#100 [00:35] <yo> is there like a demo i can try out that is a survival not the oje they have posted on the sit?
#101 [00:35] <yo> site?
#102 [00:35] <GreyVulpine> !demo
#103 [00:36] <GreyVulpine> er
#104 [00:36] <GreyVulpine> ?? demo
#105 [00:36] <VoxelHead> demo: Minecraft now has a demo available. PCGamer's article here: http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/04/19/download-the-minecraft-demo/ gives the details. In short, it has all the tools of Minecraft survivial, and 'locks' itself after 90 minutes.
#106 [00:36] <VoxelHead> demo: The Direct Download link is available here: http://dl.pcgamer.com/minecraft_pcgdemo.exe
#107 [00:36] <yo> ?
#108 [00:36] <G1aDOS> Bah, I can't just delete the corrupted file, reinstall it is...
#109 [00:36] <GreyVulpine> Vox has the answer for you, in short, yes.
#110 [00:37] <yo> uhh my card bad?
#111 [00:37] <yo> it says my cards bad?
#112 [00:37] <GreyVulpine> Your cards bad?
#113 [00:38] <yo> Bad video card drivers! ----------------------- Minecraft was unable to start because it failed to find an accelerated OpenGL mode. This can usually be fixed by updating the video card drivers. --- BEGIN ERROR REPORT 7fe0271 -------- Generated 4/28/11 12:37 AM Minecraft: Minecraft Demo (PC Gamer) OS: Windows 7 (x86) version 6.1 Java:
#114 [00:38] <GreyVulpine> Ah, try updating your video card's drivers
#115 [00:38] <yo> how?
#116 [00:38] <G1aDOS> Hey! That's what I got! :D
#117 [00:38] <yo> lmao
#118 [00:38] <yo> highfive!
#119 [00:38] <yo> but how do you?
#120 [00:38] <GreyVulpine> Know what video card you have?
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#122 [00:39] <yo> idk\
#123 [00:39] <yo> update it
#124 [00:39] <GreyVulpine> Alright, could you give us this:
#125 [00:39] <GreyVulpine> ?? win/dxdiag
#126 [00:39] <VoxelHead> win/dxdiag: Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "save log" file and save it to your desktop.
#127 [00:39] <VoxelHead> win/dxdiag: Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link you are sent to, and paste it here.
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#129 [00:39] <yo> the flag sing lol?
#130 [00:39] <yo> sign
#131 [00:40] <yo> for win?
#132 [00:40] <GreyVulpine> Huh?
#133 [00:40] <G1aDOS> Yes
#134 [00:40] <yo> lol
#135 [00:42] <yo> http://pastebin.com/pKPtSbTf
#136 [00:42] <xales> ??> Orbitoid irc/dontpm
#137 [00:42] <VoxelHead> Orbitoid: (irc/dontpm) We prefer in general to assist people in a public manner, in the channel; please don't ask for someone to PM you assistance unless there is actual private information involved.
#138 [00:42] <xales> Orbitoid: What folder are you running it from?
#139 [00:43] <G1aDOS> Restarting
#140 [00:43] <GreyVulpine> Yikes, I don't know if that machine will support minecraft
#141 [00:43] <yo> me?
#142 [00:43] * GreyVulpine pokes xales with: Intel(R) G45/G43 Express Chipset
#142 [00:43] <xales> Oh wow, yeah
#143 [00:43] <xales> "hell no"
#144 [00:43] <G1aDOS> Display Memory: 782 MB
#145 [00:43] <G1aDOS> Not even
#146 [00:43] <yo> so i cant play on ths comp?
#147 [00:43] <xales> well...it's worth a try possibly
#148 [00:44] <GreyVulpine> Sec..
#149 [00:44] <GreyVulpine> Going to look up drivers
#150 [00:44] <xales> it certainly won't get a good framerate
#151 [00:44] <yo> lol crappy comp?
#152 [00:44] <G1aDOS> It ain't going to look purdy
#153 [00:44] <G1aDOS> What else have you successfully run on your computer yo?
#154 [00:44] <yo> windows 7
#155 [00:45] <G1aDOS> video game-wise
#156 [00:45] <yo> uhh
#157 [00:45] <yo> ntohing o-o
#158 [00:45] <G1aDOS> mmmmhmmm
#159 [00:45] <GreyVulpine> Looks like the drivers you have installed on that computer, yo, are newer than what dell offers
#160 [00:45] <yo> so that means?
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#162 [00:46] <GreyVulpine> Sec..
#163 [00:46] <GreyVulpine> yo - Try going here: http://www.intel.com/p/en_US/support/detect/graphics
#164 [00:46] <GreyVulpine> See if intel can detect any newer drivers available for your system there
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#166 [00:47] <yo> check updates box -click it?
#167 [00:47] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#168 [00:47] <collin> is there still a place to talk about bukkit?
#169 [00:47] <GreyVulpine> #bukkit
#170 [00:47] <GreyVulpine> Same place it's always been
#171 [00:47] <collin> tyvm
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#173 [00:48] <yo> whats bukkit
#174 [00:48] <GreyVulpine> Server modification
#175 [00:48] <yo> its running
#176 [00:48] <yo> Product Detected Intel® G43/G45 Current Driver Installed 8.15.10.1749 Newer Driver Available: 15.17.16.2302 (8.15.10.2302) Download Now File Size: 37.72 MB Download Time: Detailed Driver Description & Driver Documentation
#177 [00:48] <GreyVulpine> There you go, you should download and install that
#178 [00:49] <yo> that would help?
#179 [00:49] <GreyVulpine> Should.
#180 [00:49] <yo> k
#181 [00:49] <yo> so r you like a mod or somthing?
#182 [00:50] <GreyVulpine> We're all community-run support here, volunteers.
#183 [00:50] <yo> Very hepful thankyou
#184 [00:50] <yo> helpful
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#187 [00:51] <G1aDOS> Okay, no more computer restarts, mIRC is starting to get really bent on making me pay $15
#188 [00:52] <DFran1991> I think it's 20
#189 [00:52] <DFran1991> #
#190 [00:52] <G1aDOS> Discount
#191 [00:52] <DFran1991> $oh ok
#192 [00:52] <G1aDOS> SONOFASANDWICH
#193 [00:52] <Orbitoid> xales: sorry about that. It is now running from /home/minecraft/minecraftnomods/
#194 [00:53] <xales> Orbitoid: As root, run `chmod -R minecraft:minecraft /home/minecraft`
#195 [00:53] <xales> err
#196 [00:53] <xales> chown, rather
#197 [00:53] <GreyVulpine> G1aDOS - ?
#198 [00:53] <G1aDOS> Reinstalled drivers, and the same driver is still "corrupt"
#199 [00:54] <GreyVulpine> You're grabbing the latest from nvidia, right?
#200 [00:55] <G1aDOS> Straight from their website
#201 [00:56] <GreyVulpine> Hmm..
#202 [00:56] <Orbitoid> done
#203 [00:56] <GreyVulpine> G1aDOS - I guess, try a full uninstall and sweep with guru3d's driver sweeper?
#204 [00:56] <GreyVulpine> http://www.guru3d.com/category/driversweeper/
#205 [00:56] <GreyVulpine> Should nuke every trace of nvidia's driver before you go installing it
#206 [00:56] <G1aDOS> okay
#207 [00:57] <G1aDOS> first things first though
#208 [00:57] <G1aDOS> Is there something besides mIRC that I can use?
#209 [00:57] <GreyVulpine> hydraIRC is free, so is xchat
#210 [00:57] <G1aDOS> Which do you recommend?
#211 [00:57] <xales> XChat is shareware on Windows, GV
#212 [00:57] <xales> Good free build of XChat is http://pchat-irc.com/
#213 [00:58] <GreyVulpine> ^
#214 [00:58] <xales> and hydraIRC is...a bit feature lacking, isn't it?
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#216 [00:58] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, it is
#217 [00:58] <zelda> hey i worked :)
#218 [00:58] <xales> So probably PChat, then
#219 [00:58] <zelda> but igts really slow
#220 [00:58] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, it's your integrated video card, not a whole lot of power
#221 [00:58] <zelda> grey its yo and it worked
#222 [00:58] <GreyVulpine> But glad you got it working
#223 [00:58] <zelda> oh
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#225 [00:58] <Orbitoid> G1aDOS: i use irssi
#226 [00:58] <GreyVulpine> You can turn down the graphics level in minecraft if you wish
#227 [00:59] <GreyVulpine> Might help
#228 [00:59] <Vulcan> Could you say that Minecraft was made entirely in Java?
#229 [00:59] <xales> Orbitoid: Doesn't really work that well on Windows, though
#230 [00:59] <GreyVulpine> Vulcan - It is
#231 [00:59] <Orbitoid> yeah
#232 [01:00] <Vulcan> My step brother is trying to say that you can't use only Java to create the entire Minecraft game, and you would need to use other programs in other to create the game itself. Is this true?
#233 [01:00] <GreyVulpine> No it is not
#234 [01:00] <GreyVulpine> Minecraft is programmed entirely in java
#235 [01:00] <Orbitoid> Thanks for your help xales I'm off for now, it still isnt working but i'll be back in later to try again
#236 [01:01] <Vulcan> So 100% of minecraft is entirely coded in Java alone, and definately no other program was used?
#237 [01:01] <GreyVulpine> Yes.
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#239 [01:01] <G1aDOS> Hello?
#240 [01:01] <xales> Minecraft uses Java APIs for libraries not written in Java, as it must (Java is not a low level language)
#241 [01:01] <GreyVulpine> 'lo
#242 [01:01] <xales> Hello
#243 [01:01] <G1aDOS> Alright
#244 [01:02] <G1aDOS> PChat is up and running
#245 [01:03] <G1aDOS> So, which Nvidia products should I uninstall?
#246 [01:03] <G1aDOS> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14949668/Uninstall.jpg
#247 [01:04] <xales> "NVidia Graphics Driver"
#248 [01:04] <G1aDOS> Just that?
#249 [01:04] <xales> Probably PhysX too
#250 [01:04] <G1aDOS> Anything else?
#251 [01:05] <xales> I don't think so..."NVidia Drivers" is chipset stuff, so I wouldn't touch that
#252 [01:05] <G1aDOS> okay
#253 [01:05] <xales> (I think)
#254 [01:05] <G1aDOS> here goes
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#256 [01:07] <G1aDOS> I need to restart to uninstall the PhysX portion of it. Be back on after I restart after uninstalling PhysX as well
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#259 [01:08] <Leobien> Hey
#260 [01:09] <xales> Hello
#261 [01:09] <Leobien> hey i need help getting minecraft to run on linux?
#262 [01:09] <GreyVulpine> What kind of help?
#263 [01:10] <Leobien> Okay, it opened, it downloaded the updates then it pops up with the crash message
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#265 [01:10] <GreyVulpine> Could you pastebin.com the error message?
#266 [01:11] <Leobien> http://pastebin.com/bwrnraK7
#267 [01:11] <xales> What distro?
#268 [01:12] <Leobien> mint debian
#269 [01:12] <xales> Do you have the correct driver installed?
#270 [01:12] * xales pokes Kealper
#270 [01:12] <Leobien> sun java is installed
#271 [01:12] <xales> Graphics card driver, not Java version
#272 [01:13] <xales> I think Mint uses Gnome...look under System->Administration, see if "Additional drivers" or "hardware drivers" is present
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#274 [01:19] <G1aDOS> I have returned
#275 [01:19] <xales> Any luck?
#276 [01:19] <Leobien> hey
#277 [01:19] <Leobien> no i'm here, yeah it works
#278 [01:19] <xales> Hello
#279 [01:19] <AG_Elias[CR]> Mint uses Gnome.
#280 [01:19] <Leobien> it seems i found the problem one driver was missing
#281 [01:20] <G1aDOS> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14949668/Uninstall.jpg
#282 [01:20] <G1aDOS> That's what I have, or rather don't have, as of now.
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#284 [01:21] <G1aDOS> Now I should run the 3D Guru Driver Sweeper?
#285 [01:21] <xales> Not sure, ask GreyVulpine, I've never used that
#286 [01:21] <G1aDOS> Grey?
#287 [01:22] <GreyVulpine> If you think you've removed all traces of nvidia's driver using CCleaner, you don't need guru3d's
#288 [01:22] <GreyVulpine> It basically does the same thing
#289 [01:22] <Hexamony> Hello. I started playing around with redstone wiring and having the strangest problem with an AND gate.
#290 [01:22] <G1aDOS> Is it a registry thing?
#291 [01:23] <GreyVulpine> Yeah
#292 [01:23] <G1aDOS> Oh okay, lemme sweep then
#293 [01:23] <GreyVulpine> Hexamony - What problem?
#294 [01:23] <Hexamony> I have one half of the gate triggered by a dector rail and the other by a switch. I've done this before and it worked so I can't figure out the problem here. A pressure plate and button work but when power is supplied to the rail the red torch doesn't go of.
#295 [01:24] <Hexamony> The only difference between my working model and this one is some elevation and lenght of the wiring but it's not over 15 blocks.
#296 [01:24] <G1aDOS> Not to clutter things, but I've cleared the registry, and I'm about to install the drivers from the Nvidia website.
#297 [01:24] <GreyVulpine> Hexamony - Got a screenshot, or something?
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#300 [01:25] <Hexamony> I can try to get one but I tend to be kind of noobish about uploading pictures.
#301 [01:25] <GreyVulpine> Just use imgur.com
#302 [01:25] <GreyVulpine> You can also use f2 in-game to capture a screenshot
#303 [01:26] <G1aDOS> When you have more time, check out dropbox.com, but that's not important now
#304 [01:26] <GreyVulpine> It'll be stored in .minecraft/screenshots
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#307 [01:27] <G1aDOS> restarting
#308 [01:30] <aetherian> uh oh
#309 [01:30] <aetherian> GLaDOS is restarting
#310 [01:30] <aetherian> that can't be good
#311 [01:30] <aetherian> is that like spoiler alert for portal 0, the prequel or something?
#312 [01:31] <Hexamony> While that is uploading.. is it better to ask about public servers in here or the other channel?
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#314 [01:33] <G1aDOS> ohthankgodfinally
#315 [01:33] <aetherian> whew
#316 [01:33] <Hexamony> http://imgur.com/a/gG8KI
#317 [01:33] <G1aDOS> A big thank you to GreyVulpine and Xales, with a tip of the hat to It
#318 [01:34] <G1aDOS> Are you two paid employees or something like that?
#319 [01:34] <xales> Nope, community support
#320 [01:34] <aetherian> wait wat
#321 [01:34] <G1aDOS> Is there a tip jar?
#322 [01:34] <xales> Hexamony: I'm not very good with redstone, wait for GV to come back
#323 [01:34] <aetherian> oh
#324 [01:34] <aetherian> I was...
#325 [01:34] <aetherian> G1aDOS and GLaDOS, so confusing.
#326 [01:34] <xales> Nope, thank you though G1aDOS
#327 [01:35] * GreyVulpine tips hat to G1aDOS
#327 [01:35] <G1aDOS> I don't know how to whisper/tell, but thanks anyways guys.
#328 [01:35] <Hexamony> It'd be nice to find a server where I can learn with others how to do redstone stuff.
#329 [01:35] <Hexamony> On my own I tend to scratch my head a lot.
#330 [01:35] <GreyVulpine> Hexamony - I can't really tell what the problem is with those screenshots
#331 [01:36] <GreyVulpine> You've got a switch on one input of the AND gate, and a redstone coming from somewhere with the other..
#332 [01:36] <Hexamony> It goes under a Detector Rail.
#333 [01:36] <GreyVulpine> Alright..
#334 [01:36] <Hexamony> It works but once I introduced the AND gate it didn't work so well.
#335 [01:36] <G1aDOS> Cheers gentlemen, it's bedtime for me... I had to skip my shower to fix this :(
#336 [01:36] <aetherian> pfft shower. Minecraft>shower.
#337 [01:37] <G1aDOS> Agreed
#338 [01:37] <GreyVulpine> Hexamony - Is this on a server somewhere?
#339 [01:37] <G1aDOS> Fixing Minecraft>Nothing
#340 [01:37] <Hexamony> Nope, my own personal world.
#341 [01:37] <GreyVulpine> Hmm.
#342 [01:37] <G1aDOS> Grey, could s/he just send the world to you and have you open it up?
#343 [01:37] <Hexamony> Any servers I knew aren't currently up, partly because of the recent patch..
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#345 [01:38] <GreyVulpine> Could...
#346 [01:39] <Hexamony> What other options are there?
#347 [01:39] <GreyVulpine> Hmm
#348 [01:40] <GreyVulpine> Could you head over to greyvulpine.dyndns.org
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#350 [01:42] <Hexamony> That a website or server?
#351 [01:42] <GreyVulpine> server
#352 [01:42] <Hexamony> Sure.
#353 [01:42] <Hexamony> Well, I can try but I need to be white-listed.
#354 [01:43] <GreyVulpine> Oh crap
#355 [01:43] <GreyVulpine> sec
#356 [01:43] <GreyVulpine> Try now
#357 [01:44] <Hexamony> Nope.
#358 [01:44] <GreyVulpine> Grr, ran into this bug before..
#359 [01:45] <GreyVulpine> How's about now?
#360 [01:45] <Hexamony> Ahh, beta software. :D Half the game is fighting the various bugs.
#361 [01:45] <Hexamony> Yay.. oooh, caves.
#362 [01:45] <GreyVulpine> Over here
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#369 [02:21] <Hexamony> I'll have to add trying more direct wiring to my list of troubleshooting problems..
#370 [02:22] <Hexamony> Err, troubleshooting solutions.
#371 [02:22] <GreyVulpine> Hexamony - The exclusive or, or XOR is where the output is 1, only if the inputs are different
#372 [02:22] <GreyVulpine> ie, where it's 1+0, or 0+1
#373 [02:22] * Hexamony nods.
#373 [02:22] <Hexamony> How would you make a 3 or 4 code combination lock?
#374 [02:23] <Hexamony> And I think I'm only stuck on the idea of that since nothing else has occured to me yet.
#375 [02:23] <GreyVulpine> That's when you need to start looking at latches.
#376 [02:24] <Hexamony> Latches?
#377 [02:24] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, 1-bit storage.
#378 [02:25] <Hexamony> I did watch a video today about intro to redstone but the use for a 1-bit storage was over my head. People doing computers and musical scores is sheer dumbfounding to me.
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#380 [02:26] <chaos_bit> exit
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#382 [02:27] <GreyVulpine> O.o
#383 [02:27] <Hexamony> Hm?
#384 [02:27] <GreyVulpine> Sorry, guy there doing "exit" then /parting
#385 [02:28] <Hexamony> Ah.
#386 [02:28] <GreyVulpine> Basically, think of latches as memory, you can store a value in there, and remove it.
#387 [02:28] <Hexamony> What kind of value?
#388 [02:29] <GreyVulpine> Of course, it's only a 1-bit value, so on or off.
#389 [02:29] <Hexamony> Is this how that 16-bit adding machine works?
#390 [02:29] <Hexamony> Oh, right.
#391 [02:29] <GreyVulpine> String enough of them together, and you can actually use them
#392 [02:29] * Hexamony nods.
#392 [02:29] <GreyVulpine> You saw how the pressure plate only sends a signal when it's pressed?
#393 [02:30] <GreyVulpine> Once you let go of it, the wire goes back to unpowered
#394 [02:30] <GreyVulpine> You can have the pressure plate hooked up to a latch, which will continuously send a powered signal, even after it's let off
#395 [02:30] <Hexamony> Right. The video showed the guy had two buttons. On and off.
#396 [02:30] * Hexamony nods.
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#397 [02:33] <Hexamony> So what could you use a 1-bit latch for?
#398 [02:34] <Dark_Fox__> Opening an closing a door, I'd assume
#399 [02:34] <Dark_Fox__> Since it'd either be open or closed
#400 [02:35] <Dark_Fox__> Just don't buy your 1-bit latches from a 2-bit company
#401 [02:35] * GreyVulpine facepalms
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#402 [02:37] <GreyVulpine> Really not much, all a latch really does, is retains the signal it's given, until it's told to reset its state
#403 [02:37] <Hexamony> Ah.
#404 [02:37] <GreyVulpine> Once you move past to more complex flip-flops, you'll then see how much you can do with memory
#405 [02:38] <Hexamony> Here's a grand idea.. maybe it's been done.. maybe it'll need pistons.. I'd love to have a mountain base with a lava fall door.. push a button, lava flow stops or parts.. enter.. click button, lava resumes..
#406 [02:38] * Hexamony looks at his feet.
#406 [02:38] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, would need pistons or floodgates for that
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#408 [02:39] <GreyVulpine> Right now, with redstone to fluid interaction, there's no way to reset it without setting it back up manually
#409 [02:39] <Hexamony> Floodgates?
#410 [02:39] <GreyVulpine> floodgates have been talked about with Notch, and he's said he'll implement it eventually
#411 [02:39] <GreyVulpine> We'll see.
#412 [02:40] <Hexamony> Actually, I can imagine how to use pistons to stop lava flow.. and I was thinking complex with having to push other blocks around..
#413 [02:40] * GreyVulpine nods
#413 [02:40] <Hexamony> You just merely extend the piston arm to stop the lava..
#414 [02:41] <Hexamony> I did think of how to make Pistons more fantasy but it inches on possible copyright issues unless someone else thinks of the right word.
#415 [02:42] <Hexamony> Use a combination of planks, iron, and redstone to create a fancy, alchemical kind of box.. that projects force to push things. I imagine purplish rings of power..
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#418 [02:43] <Hexamony> Anyway.. must sleep unfortunately. Thanks for the help GreyVulpine.
#419 [02:44] <GreyVulpine> Sure thing
#420 [02:44] <Hexamony> I'll play around tomorrow with what I learned and see what else I can stump myself with. :D
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#423 [03:05] <GreyVulpine> Looks like mollstam's fixing the Captcha thing now
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#429 [04:00] <xales> .join #mcbots
#430 [04:00] * xales pokes AuBot
#430 [04:00] <xales> <.<
#431 [04:00] <xales> !join #mcbots
#432 [04:00] <xales> :<
#433 [04:01] <xales> !status
#434 [04:01] <xales> wat
#435 [04:01] <xales> !load mod_bot
#436 [04:01] <xales> !join #mcbots
#437 [04:01] <xales> .join #mcbots
#438 [04:01] <VoxelHead> !join #mcbots... !jots
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#440 [04:01] <xales> there we go ._.
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#442 [04:01] <g> lulz
#443 [04:01] <nightmare369> hi there
#444 [04:02] <g> xales: Seems we all have bots
#445 [04:02] <xales> Hello nightmare369
#446 [04:02] <xales> g: :P
#447 [04:02] <g> It helps to not +q other people's bots, however :P
#448 [04:02] <g> OR at least to not forget to remove it later
#449 [04:02] <g> pretty sure GV is bored with removing them for me by now :P
#450 [04:03] <xales> ...I only did it once
#451 [04:03] <nightmare369> im after some help with my mindcraft, it seems after 10mn or so of play in single or multiplayer i get a black screen and the game dies. Any ideas?
#452 [04:03] <g> three times*
#453 [04:03] <xales> nightmare369: Are you using any mods?
#454 [04:04] <nightmare369> just the texture pack mixcraft HD
#455 [04:04] <xales> ??> nightmare369 win/reinst
#456 [04:04] <VoxelHead> nightmare369: (win/reinst) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#457 [04:04] <VoxelHead> nightmare369: (win/reinst) To do so, press your Windows+R keys, type in %AppData% at the run command, and press Enter. In the window that appears, open the .minecraft directory, and delete the bin directory that you see therein. Then, try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
#458 [04:04] <xales> Delete both the 'bin' and 'texturepack' folder
#459 [04:05] <g> knyrf
#460 [04:05] <g> lolwut
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#462 [04:06] <nightmare369> ok will do
#463 [04:06] <knyrf> g: Ever heard of ROT13? D:
#464 [04:06] <nightmare369> will i have to reinstall the texture pack?
#465 [04:06] <g> yes :P
#466 [04:06] <knyrf> nightmare369: Try it without installing the texture pack
#467 [04:06] <nightmare369> ok will doo
#468 [04:09] <nightmare369> ok running it now ill let you know, thanks for your help
#469 [04:10] <g> I can't nick to my rot13'd nick
#470 [04:10] <g> someone owns t D:
#471 [04:11] <Orbitoid> Hey guys
#472 [04:11] <g> Hey Orbitoid
#473 [04:11] <Orbitoid> I was in here earlier
#474 [04:11] <Orbitoid> i still have an issue with my minecraft server
#475 [04:12] <Orbitoid> it seems to crash for no reason a few mins after it starts
#476 [04:12] <Orbitoid> no error message
#477 [04:12] <g> Out of memory maybe?
#478 [04:12] <Orbitoid> i had a look at top (running debian) and it said i had at least 3.5GB free
#479 [04:13] <g> yeah but how much did you actually allocate?
#480 [04:13] <Orbitoid> 2GB
#481 [04:13] <g> hrm
#482 [04:13] <g> It's fully updated?
#483 [04:13] <Orbitoid> yeah
#484 [04:13] <g> Mods?
#485 [04:13] <Orbitoid> freshly downloaded today
#486 [04:13] <Orbitoid> i tried bukkit and just standard
#487 [04:13] <g> Is it a new world?
#488 [04:13] <Orbitoid> yup
#489 [04:13] <g> Are you using opendre?
#490 [04:14] <g> openjdk*
#491 [04:14] <g> You need to use Sun's Java
#492 [04:15] <Orbitoid> I'm pretty sure i have tried both
#493 [04:15] <Orbitoid> can you show me how?
#494 [04:15] <g> check out apt-cache search java
#495 [04:16] <Orbitoid> whoa there is like over 100 lines
#496 [04:16] <g> hm
#497 [04:16] <g> apt-cache search java | grep jre
#498 [04:17] <g> wait, what the hell am I telling you to do lol
#499 [04:17] <g> apt-cache search jre
#500 [04:18] <g> you can do java -version
#501 [04:18] <g> so we know what you have
#502 [04:18] <Orbitoid> ok i'll do java -version first
#503 [04:19] <Orbitoid> java version "1.6.0_22"
#504 [04:19] <Orbitoid> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_22-b04)
#505 [04:19] <Orbitoid> Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 17.1-b03, mixed mode)
#506 [04:19] <g> kind of annoying how they don't speicfy the package
#507 [04:19] <g> specify*
#508 [04:19] <Orbitoid> hmm
#509 [04:19] <Orbitoid> i know i have downloaded a few different ones now
#510 [04:20] <Orbitoid> so its more than likley that java is causing the issue
#511 [04:20] <g> I would suggest removing all versions of Java you have
#512 [04:20] <g> and installing the .bin from java.com
#513 [04:20] <Orbitoid> how do i go about that?
#514 [04:20] <g> apt-get purge
#515 [04:20] <McPlusPlus> [mcpp-ircbot] Feed is empty!
#516 [04:21] <Orbitoid> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 54 not upgraded.
#517 [04:21] <g> you need to speicfy the packages..
#518 [04:21] <g> specify* damnit
#519 [04:21] <Orbitoid> so i have to go through all the ones that it came up with that had java in the name
#520 [04:21] <Orbitoid> and remove them all?
#521 [04:22] <g> No
#522 [04:22] <g> those are ALL of the packages with java
#523 [04:22] <g> not just the ones you had installed
#524 [04:22] <g> hold on a sec
#525 [04:22] <Orbitoid> Thanks for this btw
#526 [04:22] <Orbitoid> it has been bugging me for ages now
#527 [04:22] <g> dpkg -l | grep java
#528 [04:22] <g> no problem
#529 [04:23] <Orbitoid> so then apt-get purge java-common and then the next one?
#530 [04:23] <g> yeah
#531 [04:23] <g> that sure doesn't look like sun's java :P
#532 [04:24] <Orbitoid> there is heaps of them still but much less than before
#533 [04:24] <Orbitoid> 14 of them to be exact
#534 [04:24] <g> You'll need to install Java from here next..
#535 [04:24] <g> http://javadl.sun.com/webapps/download/AutoDL?BundleId=48338
#536 [04:24] <g> instructions here: http://java.com/en/download/help/5000011400.xml
#537 [04:25] <g> don't forget to make a symlink in /usr/bin to the java executable
#538 [04:26] <Orbitoid> does it matter if i get 64 or 32bit version if im running 64 bit?
#539 [04:26] <g> Get the 64bit one
#540 [04:27] <g> the 32bit would work but it wouldn't be able to make proper use of your hardware
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#543 [04:54] <stardruid> hmm gettigna wierd bug, playing on a Planet map and unable to build a bridge out in one directio past a certain point. Have SPC mod so tried flying to ther side and can buil d fom that direction to the otehr bridge, but can't conenct blocks on the other side
#544 [04:55] <_303> what map?
#545 [04:58] <stardruid> jsut a random generated Planets map, basicly sphere in the air. Seem no matter how far I go north/south I cna't conenct bocks on teh east side past a point
#546 [04:58] <stardruid> unless I cheat and build from the east to west using fly
#547 [04:59] <stardruid> kind of a wierd bug
#548 [05:01] <stardruid> once i get past the point(blocks running X direction at the point of x, 999, 95
#549 [05:01] <stardruid> i cna build find out eastward again
#550 [05:02] <stardruid> er find=fine
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#552 [05:09] <stardruid> oh well i'll deal with it in the morning, tired right now so going to sleep.
#553 [05:10] <stardruid> ah found it in the bugs of the wiki: If the player stands at X:1000 or X:1001, The block at X:999 or X:998 cannot be target from the side.
#554 [05:11] <stardruid> to get around it with out cheating i'll ahev to head west sitnead, an get the materials for a airshp, fly over that line and build east to west isntead
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#562 [05:43] <Morrolan> Did anyone ever stumble across the issue that there are some blocks which you can only dig from a certain site?
#563 [05:43] <gAway2002> Can you elaborate on that?
#564 [05:45] <Morrolan> Well, basically there are blocks which have "no collision" from a certain side. This means you can only destroy that block from, for example, the north, but not from the south.
#565 [05:46] <Morrolan> The same goes for placing adjacent blocks.
#566 [05:46] <Morrolan> If you do try to destroy it from the side where it has no collision you destroy the block behind it instead.
#567 [05:47] <Wug> odd
#568 [05:48] <Morrolan> Yea, indeed.
#569 [05:51] <peru> I DO HAVE one place on my map like that
#570 [05:52] <peru> i cannot place adjacent blocks to my road, lol had to widen it from other side
#571 [05:52] <Morrolan> Hmm, seems to be a similar issue.
#572 [05:52] <Morrolan> For me it's always some random rows of blocks in the wild where this happens. :/
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#574 [05:54] * Wug fumes
#574 [05:54] <mib_v2xy3j> how to be a premium account
#575 [05:56] <Morrolan> You need to buy Minecraft on Minecraft.net
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#591 [06:46] <gAway2002> It: Didja set up your assembla?
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#602 [07:51] <g> now
#603 [07:51] <g> why isn't the damn reed working
#604 [07:51] <g> again
#605 [07:51] <g> feed*
#606 [07:52] <NotiCon> lets ask McPlusPlus
#607 [07:53] <g> the feed wasn't updated
#608 [07:53] <g> damn assembla
#609 [07:53] <NotiCon> oh
#610 [07:53] <NotiCon> their feed service is broken
#611 [07:53] <g> No, I got it
#612 [07:54] <g> ~reload
#613 [07:55] * g apologises for the incoming spam
#613 [07:55] <g> in advance*
#614 [07:55] <NotiCon> if it comes
#615 [07:55] <g> It will
#616 [07:55] <NotiCon> but when
#617 [07:55] <g> In a few minutes
#618 [07:55] <g> maximum of five minutes
#619 [07:58] <g> two..
#620 [07:58] <NotiCon> o:
#621 [07:58] <g> The suspense!
#622 [07:58] <NotiCon> its killing us?
#623 [07:59] <g> yes
#624 [07:59] <g> :P
#625 [07:59] <g> One minute
#626 [07:59] <g> here it comes?
#627 [07:59] <g> All I saw was
#628 [07:59] <NotiCon> does it now? D:
#629 [07:59] <g> *!*!*! Feed MC++ is still empty. *!*!*!
#630 [07:59] <NotiCon> :(
#631 [08:00] <g> ~check mcpp-ircbot
#632 [08:00] * g shrugs
#632 [08:00] <g> that works
#633 [08:00] <g> which was my goal
#634 [08:00] <g> so
#635 [08:01] <NotiCon> next goal: to spam the channel
#636 [08:01] <g> Nah
#637 [08:01] <g> I'm sort of glad we avoided it
#638 [08:01] <NotiCon> :/
#639 [08:02] <g> hm wait
#640 [08:02] <g> it actually didn't reload the data
#641 [08:02] <g> ~reload data
#642 [08:02] <g> it's not giving me all the output I expected
#643 [08:02] <g> I'll reboot it
#644 [08:02] <g> ~quit
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#646 [08:02] <g> ti'll spam this time
#647 [08:02] <g> it'll*
#648 [08:02] <McPlusPlus> [mcpp-ircbot] Changeset [13]: Added antispam (gdude2002) - http://is.gd/N5rg4V
#649 [08:02] <McPlusPlus> [NotchBlog] The maps! (Anonymous) - http://is.gd/HE4v28
#650 [08:03] <McPlusPlus> [Mojang-blog] Achtung! Uwaga! Attention! (Anonymous) - http://is.gd/Xxfrwj
#651 [08:03] <McPlusPlus> [MC-Updates] Minecraft Beta 1.5 (Anonymous) - http://is.gd/WGSWQF
#652 [08:03] <g> lol at the console
#653 [08:03] <g> http://i.imgur.com/a1YOY.png
#654 [08:04] <g> fun fun fun :P
#655 [08:08] <NotiCon> awesome
#656 [08:08] <NotiCon> feed is sitll empty
#657 [08:08] <NotiCon> still*
#658 [08:08] <g> No
#659 [08:08] <g> The latest one is there
#660 [08:08] <g> <McPlusPlus> [mcpp-ircbot] Changeset [13]: Added antispam (gdude2002) - http://is.gd/N5rg4V
#661 [08:09] <NotiCon> ic
#662 [08:09] <g> Antispam. Ironic, isn't it? :P
#663 [08:09] <g> jeez, wikileaks are on a rampage today
#664 [08:09] <g> releasing tons of Guantanamo files
#665 [08:09] <NotiCon> o:
#666 [08:09] <g> http://twitter.com/#!/wikileaks
#667 [08:09] <McPlusPlus> "Twitter" at twitter.com
#668 [08:10] <g> ~stfu
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#674 [08:40] <It> anyone here?
#675 [08:40] <It> I've noticed ac specific buggy behavior in smp
#676 [08:40] <It> if you teleport someone, the server will attempt to send them all chunks between the source and destination
#677 [08:41] <It> the end result is that they end up loading as many chunks as if they had walked there
#678 [08:41] <It> furthermore, since it loads them in order, the player usually ends up trapped floating in nothingness until loading catches up with the players new location
#679 [08:43] <It> also g0ne2002 I checked the repository that supposedly has mc++ in it, nothing. still empty
#680 [08:46] <NotiCon> It: this one ? http://www.assembla.com/code/mcplusplus-ircbot/subversion/nodes
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#682 [08:48] <FuTTi> hello :)
#683 [08:48] <It> i guess it has something now, but I tried a few hours ago and it was still empty
#684 [08:49] <FuTTi> i got a qustion. If you build a huge house, should i make the outer wall double thick? i've hard something that if you make the wall double thick, the zombies wont spawn inside? is that correct? :)
#685 [08:49] <FuTTi> heard*
#686 [08:50] <It> it only needs to be single think but keep the following in mind:
#687 [08:50] <It> creepers may blow up through 1 thick walls
#688 [08:50] <It> and if anything can get within 2 blocks of you (including outside of your house) while you try to sleep, you will be interupted
#689 [08:51] <FuTTi> so i cant make my house "zombie proof" they'll still spawn in the house no matter what? /:
#690 [08:51] <NotiCon> needs more lights
#691 [08:52] <FuTTi> hmm.. That could be it :)
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#694 [09:06] <Sari> Anyone about?
#695 [09:07] <LordEddi> No, its just you here.
#696 [09:08] <Sari> Oh. Thank you, voice in my head
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#700 [09:26] <lunieboy> hello is anyone there
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#704 [09:36] <NotiCon> no
#705 [09:37] <Sari> After he's gone.
#706 [09:37] <Sari> Does anyone know of a bukkit mod that increases efficacy of light sources?
#707 [09:39] <Steeldragonz> hello
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#709 [09:40] <Morrolan> Sari: Hmm, nope. Might want to ask in #bukkit
#710 [09:40] <Steeldragonz> im keep getting blackscreen when im playing randomly, it could be after 30 minutes or 3 minutes, there is no pattern. does anyone have any ideas
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#712 [09:41] <Morrolan> Steeldragonz: Phew, Such things are always hard to find out.
#713 [09:41] <Morrolan> Did you already try to mess around with the settings a bit?
#714 [09:41] <Sari> Morrolan: I'm observant. Thanks much
#715 [09:41] <Morrolan> For example turning off advanced OpenGl, smooth shading and these things?
#716 [09:42] <m0nk> what does advanced opengl do?
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#718 [09:42] <Steeldragonz> well its a fresh install, updated drivers, java, turned off the advance gl, delted everything and let it do another fresh install
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#720 [09:42] <Morrolan> m0nk: It hides (doesn't render) objects which are behind something I think.
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#722 [09:42] <m0nk> ah k
#723 [09:42] <Steeldragonz> omghi2u kd
#724 [09:43] <Steeldragonz> but yea thats what i have tried
#725 [09:43] <Morrolan> :/
#726 [09:43] <Morrolan> Every other game works fine I assume?
#727 [09:43] <Sirrush> o/
#728 [09:43] <Steeldragonz> o/
#729 [09:43] <Steeldragonz> yup
#730 [09:43] <Sirrush> Didn't know your IRC worked again Steel
#731 [09:43] <Steeldragonz> it doesnt
#732 [09:43] <Sirrush> Heh
#733 [09:43] <Sirrush> Right
#734 [09:44] <Steeldragonz> im using mibbit, and as long as im talking its stable
#735 [09:44] <Steeldragonz> otherwise it will dc/timeout on me
#736 [09:44] <Sirrush> Weird
#737 [09:44] <Steeldragonz> zacho is searching the forums for me right now for the random blackscreen thing too
#738 [09:45] <Sirrush> gl
#739 [09:45] <Steeldragonz> cause i had a session just now that i thought was stable with a fresh vanilla install and it blackscreened after 45 minutes... and reset all the building i did took all my items but left all the planting of trees and reeds i did
#740 [09:46] <Steeldragonz> maybe i should try going back to 1.4?
#741 [09:46] <Sari> Do I need a 2 panel buffer on walls that are on the second story?
#742 [09:46] <Steeldragonz> the little time i had on that was stable i guess
#743 [09:47] <Steeldragonz> kd catch on the usual later going to see what i can find on the forums again zacho found me a link
#744 [09:47] <Sirrush> kk
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#747 [10:00] <m0nk> is there a server anywhere that doesnt have a white list?
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#749 [10:08] <Morrolan> m0nk: There are plenty of them, just search on one of the serverlists.
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#751 [10:11] <m0nk> mcserverlist.net right?
#752 [10:11] <Morrolan> Yea, for example.
#753 [10:11] <Morrolan> ?? smp/servers
#754 [10:11] <VoxelHead> smp/servers: There currently is no master list of all SMP servers. Fan-made indexes include http://www.mcserverlist.net/ - http://www.reddit.com/r/mcservers - http://minecraftservers.net/ - http://minecraft.dk/mcserverlist/
#755 [10:11] <VoxelHead> smp/servers: You can also find a list at the MC forums at http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewforum.php?f=1025. Also, try the #smp channel.
#756 [10:11] <Morrolan> There are some others as well, as you see. :)
#757 [10:11] <m0nk> hmm o voxel is really a bot? :P
#758 [10:11] <m0nk> so*
#759 [10:11] <Morrolan> Yep. :D
#760 [10:11] <m0nk> and.. but he talks to?
#761 [10:12] <Morrolan> Yes.
#762 [10:12] <Morrolan> He's got an AI. Or, as some people call it, a GS. (Genuine stupidity)
#763 [10:12] <Sari> Bots can do that
#764 [10:12] <m0nk> morro want to set up a server?
#765 [10:13] <m0nk> every server i've been on has this build restrictment
#766 [10:13] <m0nk> blocks pop back out
#767 [10:13] <Morrolan> Hmm, nah, I don't play that much Minecraft anymore.
#768 [10:13] <Morrolan> Yea, there are a lot of servers who require you to apply for building rights, true.
#769 [10:14] <m0nk> and when i join them all the admins are asleep or something
#770 [10:21] <Sari> What causes creepy phantom clones of players who stand there and stare at the floor?
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#779 [11:02] <bokaholic> Thanks for the o-so comforting email, PSN.
#780 [11:02] <LordEddi> What have sony cocked up now?
#781 [11:02] <lunieboy> every thing
#782 [11:03] <lunieboy> like creating a gaming console
#783 [11:03] <bokaholic> Oh. Just the PSN getting hacked and someone having every bit of information about me and my little bank account.
#784 [11:03] <lunieboy> lol
#785 [11:03] * bokaholic grins.
#785 [11:03] <LordEddi> Oh, good thing I never added my card info to PSN ^^
#786 [11:03] <lunieboy> thats y i have an xbox
#787 [11:03] <LordEddi> they can have my address, thats cool. :p
#788 [11:03] <lunieboy> and phone num
#789 [11:03] <lunieboy> and full name
#790 [11:04] <lunieboy> and most other info
#791 [11:04] <bokaholic> Even with all of this happening. I'd never own an xbox. :)
#792 [11:04] <LordEddi> I never register anywhere with my actual phonenumber.
#793 [11:04] <lunieboy> oh lol
#794 [11:04] <bokaholic> ;D
#795 [11:04] <lunieboy> @bokaholic Y not
#796 [11:04] <bokaholic> .... I hate the controlers. 6.6
#797 [11:05] <bokaholic> Grew up with Nintendo, SNES and Playstation.
#798 [11:05] <lunieboy> really??? i love them. i prefer them to ps3 controllers
#799 [11:05] <bokaholic> I'm loyal.
#800 [11:05] <lunieboy> lol i had a xbox 1 as well so im loyal as well
#801 [11:05] <lunieboy> i guess its just a matter of preference
#802 [11:05] <AG_Scott> bokaholic, wait until you get phone calls confirming your $50,000 prize
#803 [11:06] <bokaholic> I tried the xbox (the first one) and I couldn't hardly fit it in my room.
#804 [11:06] <lunieboy> HAHAHA lol
#805 [11:06] <bokaholic> AG_Clinton: OH MAN I'LL BE RICH!
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#807 [11:06] <MoSon> hello
#808 [11:06] <AG_Scott> No really, they called my uncle today confirming his credit card details for his prize
#809 [11:06] <LordEddi> You need to have both.
#810 [11:06] <LordEddi> The xbox, and the ps3.
#811 [11:06] <bokaholic> Naw. I'd get an xbox too if I could afford it.
#812 [11:06] <bokaholic> Yeah..
#813 [11:06] <LordEddi> Only way to get every game.
#814 [11:06] <MoSon> are there any minecraft admins or mods on ?
#815 [11:06] <AG_Scott> Luckily, cards were already cancelled.
#816 [11:07] <AG_Scott> There are no minecraft mods/admins.
#817 [11:07] <bokaholic> I got a PS3 for bluray and due to it being refurbished and cheap.
#818 [11:07] <MoSon> ohhh
#819 [11:07] <bokaholic> AG_Clinton That sucks. :/
#820 [11:07] <LordEddi> bokaholic: Yeah, its nice for that.
#821 [11:07] <AG_Scott> Each server is operated by an independent owner
#822 [11:07] <AG_Scott> well fine! leave!
#823 [11:07] <bokaholic> !!!
#824 [11:07] <LordEddi> haha
#825 [11:07] <LordEddi> ELLO! I am lindsay looohan!
#826 [11:07] <Morrolan> MoSon: From the forums?
#827 [11:07] <Morrolan> Oh, he left.
#828 [11:07] <LordEddi> Watching jeff dunham, and playing world of tanks >.>
#829 [11:07] <bokaholic> My mom got a Minecraft account yesterday. I feel a bit responsible.
#830 [11:08] <Morrolan> Already told her that you can bake cake in it? :p
#831 [11:09] <Morrolan> Seriously though, I couldn't imagine my mum playing Minecraft. :/
#832 [11:10] <AG_Scott> bokaholic, http://i.imgur.com/8VOCZ.jpg
#833 [11:11] <bokaholic> Bahahaha
#834 [11:11] <bokaholic> :((
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#836 [11:11] <bokaholic> NOT COMFORTING SIR
#837 [11:11] <DarkKrusty> hi people
#838 [11:12] <lunieboy> lol
#839 [11:12] <DarkKrusty> http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=317799 if anyone has an answer to my problem do feel free to tell me
#840 [11:12] <AG_Scott> This guy didn't get answered in less than 1 minute: http://pastebin.com/dD9ZTk8a
#841 [11:12] <bokaholic> I wish I could remember if I put MY information on the PSN fo rif I put the Mister's information on there.
#842 [11:13] <bokaholic> Not sure who needs to call credit bureaus.
#843 [11:13] <bokaholic> Oh wow.
#844 [11:14] <bokaholic> That's almost bash worthy right there.
#845 [11:14] <Morrolan> DarkKrusry: What OS are you on?
#846 [11:14] <DarkKrusty> ?
#847 [11:14] <DarkKrusty> oh
#848 [11:14] <Morrolan> Operating system?
#849 [11:14] <DarkKrusty> windows
#850 [11:14] <DarkKrusty> 7
#851 [11:14] <Morrolan> ?? win/reinst
#852 [11:14] <VoxelHead> win/reinst: You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#853 [11:14] <VoxelHead> win/reinst: To do so, press your Windows+R keys, type in %AppData% at the run command, and press Enter. In the window that appears, open the .minecraft directory, and delete the bin directory that you see therein. Then, try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
#854 [11:14] <Morrolan> already tried this?
#855 [11:15] <DarkKrusty> gonna try now
#856 [11:15] <DarkKrusty> gimme a sec
#857 [11:17] <DarkKrusty> nope still keeps closing after the mojang logo
#858 [11:17] <Morrolan> :/
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#860 [11:18] <lunieboy> try delete the hole .minecraft but copy saves to desktop
#861 [11:18] <DarkKrusty> wonder what would happen if i delete the whole thing
#862 [11:18] <Morrolan> You'd loose your saves if you had any.
#863 [11:18] <DarkKrusty> ill get over it
#864 [11:18] <lunieboy> not if you back them up
#865 [11:19] <Morrolan> Yea, just do as lunieboy said and copy the saves folder out to safety first.
#866 [11:19] <DarkKrusty> nothing im bothered with on there anyways
#867 [11:19] <DarkKrusty> and its working!
#868 [11:20] <lunieboy> lol
#869 [11:20] <Morrolan> Oh, that's rather strange. Oo
#870 [11:20] <DarkKrusty> i know right?
#871 [11:20] <Morrolan> Must have been a corrupt ressource then.
#872 [11:20] <DarkKrusty> yeh
#873 [11:20] <Morrolan> Never seen that before.
#874 [11:20] <Morrolan> Ah well, glad it worked. :)
#875 [11:20] <DarkKrusty> well know if people had the same problem i did
#876 [11:20] <DarkKrusty> you all know how to help them now :-)
#877 [11:20] <Morrolan> We can tell them, yep. :)
#878 [11:21] <lunieboy> :D
#879 [11:21] <DarkKrusty> time to play MC now :-D
#880 [11:22] <DarkKrusty> got a good start location :P
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#891 [11:59] <NotiCon> only possible to tame wolfs with bones right?
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#901 [12:12] <Product> Hi all
#902 [12:12] <Product> I really need some help.
#903 [12:12] <Product> I'am owner of HaxCraft Classic Server.
#904 [12:12] <Product> And I'am hosting the server on my computer.
#905 [12:12] <Product> Server is #/12
#906 [12:12] <Product> But I'am really scared about the bandwith that I should get in end of the month.
#907 [12:13] <Product> Because if I get probably more then 25GB, I have to pay :(.
#908 [12:13] <Product> Does anyone has any experience howmany bandwith transfare to your pc do you get ?
#909 [12:14] <Product> Please anyone that could help me ?
#910 [12:14] <NotiCon> depends on how much its being used and of how many etc etc you should be able your self to see how much you are using if its running 24/7
#911 [12:15] <Product> No it's not really 24/7
#912 [12:15] <Product> It's on for like 8 hours a day.
#913 [12:15] <Product> or let's say 9
#914 [12:15] <Product> And how I'am able to see, could you please explain me ?
#915 [12:16] <Product> And server is MCLawl.
#916 [12:17] <Product> Like howmuch do you think I get in transfare from server to my pc, pc to server.
#917 [12:17] <Product> More then 10GB ?
#918 [12:19] <Product> Hello ?
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#920 [12:20] <sivve> Hey, how do I install mods on my server?
#921 [12:20] <Product> You have vanilla server ?
#922 [12:20] <Morrolan> Product: For a beta server you should have like 100 kb/s/user.
#923 [12:20] <sivve> yes I think so
#924 [12:21] <Morrolan> Not sure about classic.
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#926 [12:21] <sivve> oh you mean if I have a .minecraftserver folder? or what
#927 [12:21] <Morrolan> sivve. Most likely you'll want to install bukkit. For assistance with bukkit you could ask in #bukkit.
#928 [12:21] <Product> No it's classic server Morrolan.
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#930 [12:21] <Product> I'am using Mclawl.
#931 [12:21] <Ghost> hello
#932 [12:21] <Product> Classic Server, 8 hours a day.
#933 [12:22] <Product> 12/12 max.
#934 [12:22] <Guest75183> anyone here that can assist me? :)
#935 [12:22] <Morrolan> Product: Is that a classic server?
#936 [12:22] <Product> Yes.
#937 [12:22] <Morrolan> Guest: yea?
#938 [12:22] <Product> I'am using Mclawl to host it also.
#939 [12:22] <Product> I mean not host it but not vanilla server.
#940 [12:22] <Product> And yes, it's a classic server.
#941 [12:22] <Guest75183> is there a way to turn off weather or change it? :)
#942 [12:22] <Morrolan> Hmm, do they have an IRC channel?
#943 [12:22] <Morrolan> Guest: Not in the Vanilla server, no.
#944 [12:22] <Product> Who ?
#945 [12:23] <Morrolan> Product: Mclawl.
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#947 [12:23] <Product> Hmm, I think so.
#948 [12:23] <Product> Should I ask there ?
#949 [12:23] <Morrolan> Well, it is worth a shot I guess.
#950 [12:23] <Product> Ok, thank you :)
#951 [12:23] <Guest75183> what do you mean vanilla servers?
#952 [12:23] <Xaanos> help it won't let me register on nickserve
#953 [12:23] <Xaanos> i got he email and when i put it in it dosent work
#954 [12:23] <Morrolan> Guest: With the normal server you download from minecraft.net you can not change the weather, you need to install a mod like bukkit.
#955 [12:24] <Morrolan> Xaanos: You did use /msg nickserv verify codehere ?
#956 [12:24] <sivve> and how would I get my hands on a vanilla server?
#957 [12:24] <Morrolan> sivve: That's the normal one you download from minecraft.net
#958 [12:24] <Guest75183> ah oke thank you, and will these mods have to be installed on client side aswell?
#959 [12:24] <sivve> Oh right.
#960 [12:24] <Morrolan> Guest: Nope.
#961 [12:24] <sivve> Does anyone know if I can install Humans+ on a server?
#962 [12:24] <Guest75183> nice, thank you very much :D
#963 [12:25] <Morrolan> sivve: Hmm, I don't think so. Might want to ask in #risucraft if there's a multiplayer version though.
#964 [12:25] <Morrolan> Guest: You're welcome.
#965 [12:26] <Morrolan> Xaanos: To complete the registration you need to type "/msg nickserv verify register nicknamehere codehere" I think. Did you do this?
#966 [12:28] <VoxelHead> i had a nice dream about a hundred million hundred billion confident angels lovingly enjoying a cup of hot chocolate over a hot chocolate covered lounge of guts
#967 [12:29] <Morrolan> Vox: Awww
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#979 [13:20] <MLoeven> does anyone know how to force minecraft.app to use soylatte as the default java install instead of the old outdated 1.5 that cant be removed :P
#980 [13:21] <MLoeven> keeps tossing me bus errors when i try to call minecraft.jar from terminal
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#983 [13:23] <GreyVulpine> MLoeven - Yeah, but it involves using the terminal...
#984 [13:24] <MLoeven> thats what i have been doing /folder/bin/java -jar /file/bin/minecraft.jar
#985 [13:25] <MLoeven> launching anything in soylatte tosses out a bus error
#986 [13:25] <MLoeven> so maby i am using a older set of instructions
#987 [13:25] <GreyVulpine> Actually.. try
#988 [13:25] <GreyVulpine> /Applications/Utilities/Java Preferences
#989 [13:25] <MLoeven> btw this is 10.4
#990 [13:25] <MLoeven> i am tryingto get modded clients to run
#991 [13:25] <MLoeven> and sadly i dont have access to said apple where i am atm
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#993 [13:26] <GreyVulpine> bah
#994 [13:26] <MLoeven> so applications/utilities/java preferances
#995 [13:26] <MLoeven> so annoying that any 1.6 compiled mod blackscreens on 1.5 has noone ever heard of reverse compatability
#996 [13:27] <MLoeven> well apple not so much
#997 [13:29] <It> you're sure its a compatibility issue? you've traced the errors and narrowed it down to that?
#998 [13:31] <MLoeven> the mods run on my windows machine just fine
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#1000 [13:32] <MLoeven> however there is this wierd bug where if i start minecraft with a texture pack loaded it crashes but if i start it with default pack and change to another texture pack it runs fine
#1001 [13:32] <MLoeven> any ideas on that one
#1002 [13:32] <It> have you copied the modified jar from the windows machine to the mac?
#1003 [13:32] <VoxelHead> green
#1004 [13:32] <It> its a jar, you can just do that
#1005 [13:32] <VoxelHead> No! Blue!
#1006 [13:32] <MLoeven> tried installing seperatly and copying
#1007 [13:32] <MLoeven> neither worked
#1008 [13:32] <It> ditch mac, use windows
#1009 [13:32] <MLoeven> it is a java 1.5 bug
#1010 [13:33] <It> (arent I so helpful)
#1011 [13:33] <MLoeven> sigh but the desktop cant be hidden under my bed like the ibook and how else am i supposed to build at 1:00 am without my mom getting angry
#1012 [13:33] <It> theres no such thing as a program that can't be uninstalled
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#1014 [13:34] <It> also ubuntu
#1015 [13:34] * It is ranting and raving and suggesting wild things
#1015 [13:34] <It> don't change your system setup because I don't like it
#1016 [13:34] <MLoeven> well internet explorer comes pretty dang close i cant even find someone who knows the registry entries to remove
#1017 [13:34] <It> change it because you don't like it
#1018 [13:35] <It> you don't need to remove registry entries, you can just uninstall it
#1019 [13:35] <MLoeven> nope
#1020 [13:35] <MLoeven> tried
#1021 [13:35] <MLoeven> not ie8
#1022 [13:35] <It> (this is done as a windows component, not from add/remove)
#1023 [13:35] <MLoeven> hahahahaha
#1024 [13:35] <VoxelHead> Get off of me! you smell like human!
#1025 [13:35] <MLoeven> that just removes the link and access to ie
#1026 [13:35] <It> theres a seperate place for that stuff
#1027 [13:35] <MLoeven> doesent remove the underpinnings
#1028 [13:36] <It> well seeing as ie provides lots of content stuff and windows is rather crippled without it's libraries
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#1030 [13:36] <It> I can't see why you'd want it totally gone
#1031 [13:36] <It> its*
#1032 [13:37] <MLoeven> well just have enough of the crap removed si i can downgrade ie back to 7 without it bitching about a newer version
#1033 [13:37] <MLoeven> this is a different machine btw
#1034 [13:37] <It> why would you want 7 over 8
#1035 [13:37] <MLoeven> troubleshooting
#1036 [13:37] <MLoeven> this is a test machine
#1037 [13:38] <MLoeven> i have 8 on my main pc and dont mind it
#1038 [13:38] <VoxelHead> bye Barrycarlyon
#1039 [13:38] <It> upgrade to 9
#1040 [13:38] <It> its actually not horrible
#1041 [13:38] <MLoeven> so @greyvulpine what was that you were saying about launching minecraft from soylatte
#1042 [13:38] <MLoeven> i can just copy the proceedure you give me
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#1044 [13:40] <GreyVulpine> No, mac should have a java preferences window at that location, so you can prioritize which java mac will use
#1045 [13:40] <It> if you were to download the jar from the website and launch it manually using the full path of soylatte, that should do it
#1046 [13:40] <MLoeven> yeah but soylatte isn't installed it is just ectracted to where you want it
#1047 [13:40] <MLoeven> extracted
#1048 [13:40] <It> its mac. you don't get to pick 'preferences'
#1049 [13:40] <It> there is one mode - jobs mode
#1050 [13:40] <GreyVulpine> Otherwise, you'll want to head to -
#1051 [13:40] <GreyVulpine> System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/
#1052 [13:40] * It rants about macs
#1052 [13:40] <VoxelHead> yes.
#1053 [13:41] <GreyVulpine> where you'll change the link for Current
#1054 [13:41] <MLoeven> i rant about them too but they have some uses
#1055 [13:41] <It> lol final cut
#1056 [13:41] <MLoeven> like the fact that it is so damn difficult to access the file system with anything other than point and click
#1057 [13:41] <MLoeven> doesent even have a address bar
#1058 [13:41] <It> to be fair, I sometimes get mad at ubuntu for that reason
#1059 [13:42] <It> but I bet I could fix it with a different window manager
#1060 [13:42] <MLoeven> it is like windows goes out of it's way to guess the path your typing and mac is like .... if you dont know where it is than fuck you
#1061 [13:42] <It> try the tab key?
#1062 [13:43] <MLoeven> spotlight can only find specific types of files and indexing sucks
#1063 [13:43] <MLoeven> ranting about macs too
#1064 [13:43] <MLoeven> sigh i am in pain right now
#1065 [13:44] <It> I could rant about them all day
#1066 [13:44] <MLoeven> i just got back from the chiropractor and than my dad hands me a chainsaw and is like a tree fell down in the yard take care of it.... oh god my back :P
#1067 [13:44] <It> lol
#1068 [13:44] <It> at least its better than a hatchet
#1069 [13:44] <MLoeven> had to use one of those two to get the main trunk out of the tree it fell against
#1070 [13:45] <MLoeven> and it was a huge tree even the tiny little cuts weighed at least 50 lb each
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#1072 [13:48] <It> fun fact: I am logged into esper 3 times atm
#1073 [13:48] <MLoeven> you dont have to log in to the server for each channel :P
#1074 [13:48] <MLoeven> you can join more than one
#1075 [13:49] <VoxelHead> i like them =]
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#1077 [13:50] <It> I love you voxelhead
#1078 [13:50] <VoxelHead> hehe, want to go out on a date someplace? :)
#1079 [13:50] * JasonBeee swoons
#1079 [13:50] <It> vox, asl?
#1080 [13:51] <VoxelHead> it: 22/male/basingstoke
#1081 [13:51] * It is cracking up
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#1082 [13:52] <NinjaKirby> I presume there are other people getting "two types" of sapling, that don't stack?
#1083 [13:53] <It> there are actually 3 types
#1084 [13:53] <NinjaKirby> For clarity, two types of sapling with the *same* graphic, besides the two newly created designed
#1085 [13:53] <It> uuhh
#1086 [13:53] <It> haven't heard anything about it
#1087 [13:54] <It> is there one specific stack that they all end up in?
#1088 [13:54] <It> try getting rid of the other stack
#1089 [13:54] <It> can you stack them onto each other?
#1090 [13:54] <Dark_Fox__> You aren't maxed out at 64 are you?
#1091 [13:55] <NinjaKirby> One of these knarley to explain things. The "Odd stock" which I only have 14 of, can swap places with a full 64 stack, and not combine in any matter.
#1092 [13:55] <NinjaKirby> It's like I'm getting a rare sapling with it's own item ID
#1093 [13:55] <NinjaKirby> Like you can't swap the same type of sword, I CAN swap the same type of Sapling
#1094 [13:55] <NinjaKirby> These 14 oddball ones
#1095 [13:56] <Dark_Fox__> Kill it with fire
#1096 [13:56] <It> if you divide a 64 stack and try to add it does that work
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#1098 [13:56] <GreyVulpine> There are 3 types of saplings
#1099 [13:56] <NinjaKirby> Nope, they just swap around, they do not combine and stack into 48
#1100 [13:57] <It> odd
#1101 [13:57] <NinjaKirby> Grey: It's like I have 4 types, two of which with the same graphic
#1102 [13:57] <It> well, plant them or something
#1103 [13:57] <NinjaKirby> ... I guess I could :3
#1104 [13:58] <NinjaKirby> Limited edition saplings ftw
#1105 [13:58] <NinjaKirby> Reminds me of UO, sometimes it would happen with items in that game
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#1107 [14:04] <NinjaKirby> lol, Spiders. Run towards me, get fractionally stuck on a tree trunk, attempt to climb it instead of walking around.
#1108 [14:04] <NinjaKirby> Then they MC Hammer strafe to slowly circumvent it.
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#1111 [14:08] <DopeGhoti> NinjaKirby: sounds spider-y
#1112 [14:12] <NinjaKirby> Hey Dope XD Indeed
#1113 [14:13] <NinjaKirby> I'm beginning to wonder if the odd saplings are from old generated tree's or something.
#1114 [14:14] <DopeGhoti> Probable. Also, s/'//
#1115 [14:15] <NinjaKirby> wat
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#1122 [14:31] <VoxelHead> i wish they didn't have to go =O
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#1124 [14:34] <aetherian> =O
#1125 [14:34] <VoxelHead> omg
#1126 [14:34] <DopeGhoti> Great scott!
#1127 [14:34] <sammaelt> hello miners, does someone know how many seconds or minutes the little levitating shrinked blocks you see after mining a block stay around before vanishing please? sorry for my english skills
#1128 [14:35] <NotiCon> eh?
#1129 [14:35] <NinjaKirby> The destroyed blocks to pick up that rotate
#1130 [14:35] <NinjaKirby> Took me a moment to grasp that one as well
#1131 [14:36] <sammaelt> yes, sorry i didnt know how to say it fluently
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#1133 [14:36] <NinjaKirby> I don't think I can even put it well XD I wonder what there name is
#1134 [14:37] <NinjaKirby> Doesn't mention the time they can survive on Minecraft Wiki
#1135 [14:38] <mib_r7pgz4> is it allowed whit mods on multiplayer servers??
#1136 [14:39] <sammaelt> thats what i though too :/ well i ll try to calculate later, im just curious though nothing usefull or maybe just when your inventory is full
#1137 [14:39] <mib_r7pgz4> hello
#1138 [14:39] <GreyVulpine> Sami345 - 5 minutes
#1139 [14:39] <GreyVulpine> er, sammaelt
#1140 [14:40] <NinjaKirby> Yey for wisdom
#1141 [14:40] <mib_r7pgz4> is it allowed whit mods on multiplayer servers??
#1142 [14:40] <DopeGhoti> IIRC about 3 minutes or so
#1143 [14:40] <sammaelt> thank you
#1144 [14:40] <GreyVulpine> usually mods in single player will not translate to multiplayer
#1145 [14:40] <DopeGhoti> mib_r7pgz4: please rephrase your question in the form of a.. question.
#1146 [14:40] <GreyVulpine> Only a few exceptions
#1147 [14:40] <sammaelt> what do you mean mib?
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#1149 [14:41] <mib_r7pgz4> some pepole got flying hack
#1150 [14:41] <mib_r7pgz4> is that allowed
#1151 [14:41] <NotiCon> its a mod
#1152 [14:41] <GreyVulpine> Only if the server admin puts on allow-flight in server.properties
#1153 [14:42] <GreyVulpine> Otherwise, it'll ban people for flight hack
#1154 [14:42] <mib_r7pgz4> ok
#1155 [14:42] <mib_r7pgz4> how do i get that thing
#1156 [14:42] <sammaelt> there s a plane mod
#1157 [14:42] <sammaelt> also
#1158 [14:42] <GreyVulpine> http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=96815
#1159 [14:42] <mib_r7pgz4> ok
#1160 [14:42] <GreyVulpine> Zombes has it
#1161 [14:42] <mib_r7pgz4> ty
#1162 [14:44] <McPlusPlus> [mcpp-ircbot] Feed is empty!
#1163 [14:48] <NinjaKirby> I'm seeing a lot of Skellies pushing against walls, like they don't know how to jump, kinda odd looking
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#1166 [14:53] <DopeGhoti> NinjaKirby: Saw some creepers do the same thing last night on my server
#1167 [14:53] <DopeGhoti> good thing too, as there was a herd of them and I ran out of arrows.
#1168 [14:53] <NinjaKirby> lol, before I reached the end of the sentence, I expected "And I ran away screaming"
#1169 [14:54] <NinjaKirby> But I see, guess the AI got a bit of tweaking
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#1172 [14:54] <NinjaKirby> I'm impressed by the Pathfinding of the Creepers though, they'll head away just to access a difficult route to you
#1173 [14:55] <NinjaKirby> Have a couple of times for me anyway, while exploring caves
#1174 [14:55] <DopeGhoti> s/access a difficult route to you/come at you from behind and make you pretend you didn't just jump a foot when you heard 'sssssss' out of nowhere/#FTFY
#1175 [14:56] <DopeGhoti> creepers seem to _love_ coming at people from behind
#1176 [14:56] <NinjaKirby> Heh yeah ~_~ Rogue-like
#1177 [14:57] <DopeGhoti> BackSSSSSSSssssstab.
#1178 [14:58] <NinjaKirby> It seems when they get us though, they are fondly memorable moments. It's like not many games would allow the AI to accomplish that.
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#1180 [15:00] <NinjaKirby> Do you find Stone more appealing than Cobblestone?
#1181 [15:00] <sammaelt> creepers creeps me because of them i cant listen music else i dont hear the "sss"
#1182 [15:00] <NinjaKirby> Assuming you use default Textures.
#1183 [15:00] <NinjaKirby> Yeah Sammaelt :P With headphones you can catch there footsteps sometimes too, assuming music isn't going
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#1185 [15:02] <sammaelt> i need a circumaural headphone i was thinking about this a few days ago my ears are bleeding with intra-aural
#1186 [15:02] <VoxelHead> I already have one of those.
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#1188 [15:02] <Lartza> Login failed after password change? Friend is having a problem
#1189 [15:02] <NinjaKirby> Uh... oh, I've not seen those terms before, gotta google them.
#1190 [15:02] <Lartza> Just downloaded the new launcher and still
#1191 [15:03] <Lartza> NinjaKirby, me?
#1192 [15:03] <Lartza> Just "Login Failed" on launcher ...
#1193 [15:03] <NinjaKirby> Sorry, I was responding to someone else ^^;;
#1194 [15:03] <DopeGhoti> type the new password correctly?
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#1196 [15:03] <NinjaKirby> Deactivate cruise control
#1197 [15:03] <DopeGhoti> clear out and re-enter both the username and password, Lartza
#1198 [15:04] <Lartza> DopeGhoti, Mhh that's what I said but it seems that failed
#1199 [15:04] <Lartza> Or he failed
#1200 [15:04] <DopeGhoti> also, /me makes a mental note of 'circumaural'; I _knew_ there was a word for that.
#1201 [15:04] <DopeGhoti> well, use the password reset tool then.
#1202 [15:04] <sammaelt> glad to help ya :p
#1203 [15:05] <Lartza> DopeGhoti, I might have to visit him tomorrow he had problems with ltos of stuff... not just minecraft :)
#1204 [15:05] <DopeGhoti> (I, too, cannot use earbuds, no matter how good they sound; my aural canal just starts hurting.)
#1205 [15:05] <Lartza> And I need to teach him how to use IRC
#1206 [15:05] <Lartza> :P
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#1208 [15:05] <DopeGhoti> Lartza: please teach him an actual IRC client, and not Mibbit (:
#1209 [15:06] <Lartza> DopeGhoti, Yea he has XChat-WDK downloaded by my instructions :)
#1210 [15:06] <DopeGhoti> that'll do (:
#1211 [15:06] <Lartza> Windows, otherwise would have taught him irssi :P
#1212 [15:06] <DopeGhoti> <3
#1213 [15:06] <Lartza> Well maybe not, wonder where that would have ended...
#1214 [15:06] <Lartza> :D
#1215 [15:06] <DopeGhoti> with a new Linux user?
#1216 [15:06] <VoxelHead> :)
#1217 [15:07] <Lartza> DopeGhoti, He games so sadly no
#1218 [15:07] <Lartza> DopeGhoti, But supports Linux by principle and dislikes Windows and Microsoft
#1219 [15:07] <Lartza> ;)
#1220 [15:08] <DopeGhoti> Same boat. I still use Windows; but I only boot into it for games. Everyhting else is on some form of POSIX.
#1221 [15:08] <Kealper> sounds like me....i like what linux stands for, (freedom and such) but i use windows
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#1223 [15:09] <Lartza> Kealper, ... :D
#1224 [15:09] <NinjaKirby> Interesting, the Unix hold on the market is "larger then it is, but it isn't"
#1225 [15:10] <Kealper> lol
#1226 [15:11] <sammaelt> sorry if its a noob question but i was wondering what was the highest and lowest level on the Y axis, i've read a world is 128 blocks deep, then, is the sea level at 0? and the highest level at +64, lowest at -64? or am i wrong
#1227 [15:11] <Kealper> sea level is 64
#1228 [15:11] <Kealper> but yes, 128 blocks total
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#1230 [15:12] <sammaelt> oh i see thanks
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#1232 [15:18] <sammaelt> sorry to ask again, is there a mapper available working with the last update
#1233 [15:19] <sammaelt> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Programs_and_Editors i was looking there
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#1237 [15:26] <Vhozard> so Im trying to run minecraft server in linux in virtual machine
#1238 [15:26] <Vhozard> it wont connect however
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#1240 [15:26] <GreyVulpine> What do you mean it won't connect?
#1241 [15:26] <Zack> Hey anyone wanna help me out?
#1242 [15:27] <Vhozard> other players get a timeout
#1243 [15:27] <GreyVulpine> Zack, just tell us your problem
#1244 [15:27] <Zack> Im having a problem with blocks placing more then once on a single right click
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#1246 [15:27] <zw> hi
#1247 [15:27] <GreyVulpine> Vhozard - How are you setting up the virtual machine? Is the network bridged or...?
#1248 [15:27] <VoxelHead> fuck your riddles, you gigantic mystic arsehole!
#1249 [15:27] <Kealper> Zack: any mods?
#1250 [15:27] <Zack> even levers etc register as being clicked twice when i right click, but work normally with left click
#1251 [15:27] <zw> how to excstract .tbz?
#1252 [15:27] <Zack> i do but the problem has always been there even before I had mods
#1253 [15:28] <Zack> Will my computer specs help at all?
#1254 [15:28] <Kealper> Zack: though multiple versions of the game?
#1255 [15:28] <GreyVulpine> zw - tar -xjf
#1256 [15:28] <zw> I just got this when i try http://pastebin.com/mNNRcXAW
#1257 [15:28] <Zack> yea
#1258 [15:28] <NinjaKirby> lol wtf @ Voxelhead response
#1259 [15:28] <Zack> u started in 1.3 lol
#1260 [15:28] <Kealper> Zack: hmm...have you ever tried reinstalling java?
#1261 [15:28] <GreyVulpine> zw - tar -xjf
#1262 [15:28] <zw> tnx grey :-D
#1263 [15:28] <sammaelt> on the site it says "make sure to use Sun JVM"
#1264 [15:28] <Zack> yeah I have, doesnt seem to help at all
#1265 [15:28] <Zack> can multiple processors cause that to happen?
#1266 [15:28] <Kealper> no
#1267 [15:29] <Vhozard> GreyVulpine: NAT
#1268 [15:29] <Kealper> ??> Zack win/profile
#1269 [15:29] <VoxelHead> Zack: (win/profile) It may be helpful to isolate whether this is a problem with your user account, or with your system as a whole.
#1270 [15:29] <VoxelHead> Zack: (win/profile) Please create a new user profile (a computer user, not a new Minecraft account), log in as that user, and try Minecraft from there. If it works, there's something on your profile that's breaking Java or Minecraft. If not, there's something amiss with your system as a whole.
#1271 [15:29] <GreyVulpine> Vhozard - You're NATting behind the VM as well?
#1272 [15:29] <VoxelHead> I'll consider that.
#1273 [15:29] <zw> Grey: lol, get spammed "cannot write : no space left on device" :s
#1274 [15:29] <Zack> My processor is an AMD quad core if that matters
#1275 [15:29] <GreyVulpine> vox, shut up
#1276 [15:29] <zw> whaat
#1277 [15:29] <VoxelHead> hai!
#1278 [15:29] <GreyVulpine> zw - Heh, out of space now, eh??
#1279 [15:29] <Zack> and uh...as much as I'm ashamed to say it, I don't yet have legit minecraft..
#1280 [15:29] <zw> no, new server
#1281 [15:29] <zw> much space
#1282 [15:29] <Vhozard> GreyVulpine: I meant the vm is set up with NAT
#1283 [15:30] <zw> do i need to add a directory?
#1284 [15:30] <Zack> BUT before you judge me I'm buying it this weekend
#1285 [15:30] <Vhozard> host (win 7) is "normal"
#1286 [15:30] <Kealper> :/
#1287 [15:30] <sammaelt> :/
#1288 [15:30] <Zack> is it because my pc is 32 bit xp?
#1289 [15:30] <Zack> does that make a difference
#1290 [15:30] <Zack> ?
#1291 [15:30] <Kealper> non-legit minecraft could be the entire problem....those are usually modded...
#1292 [15:30] <GreyVulpine> Vhozard - How is the VM set up on the network? Is it grabbing an IP from the same subnet as the host machine, ie bridged? Or is it NATting as well?
#1293 [15:31] <Zack> could be, hopefully it fixes itself when I buy the legit version
#1294 [15:31] <Zack> Oh and one more question
#1295 [15:31] <Zack> Is there any way to optimize upload speed without just buying more from internet provider?
#1296 [15:31] <Kealper> for hosting a server?
#1297 [15:31] <Zack> I have all the requirements for a server, except my upload speed suuucks
#1298 [15:31] <Zack> yea
#1299 [15:32] <DopeGhoti> stop your WaReZ torrents?
#1300 [15:32] <Kealper> best way is to just not have any other programs running like utorrent and such
#1301 [15:32] <Kealper> lol dope
#1302 [15:32] <Zack> im getting i think like 15 mb/s download and .83mb/s for upload
#1303 [15:32] <Zack> i dont torrent lol
#1304 [15:32] <Zack> i used to use bit torrent
#1305 [15:32] <sammaelt> what the..? 83mb/s ?
#1306 [15:32] <Zack> but it slowed my pc down
#1307 [15:32] <Kealper> (obviously you did atleast once)
#1308 [15:32] <Zack> so i uninstalled
#1309 [15:32] <Zack> nono
#1310 [15:32] <sammaelt> you mean 83kB/s ?
#1311 [15:32] <Vhozard> GreyVulpine, the vm has an ip of 192.168.56.1
#1312 [15:32] <NinjaKirby> Note the decimal point :3
#1313 [15:32] <Zack> 830kb/s
#1314 [15:32] <Kealper> .83mbit/s would be 830kbit/s
#1315 [15:33] <Zack> so point 83 mb/s
#1316 [15:33] <Kealper> yeah, what he said
#1317 [15:33] <Vhozard> GreyVulpine, the host has an ip of 192.168.1.109
#1318 [15:33] <GreyVulpine> Oh geez.
#1319 [15:33] <sammaelt> erh 830kB/s is enough to host a server for ten people at least
#1320 [15:33] <Zack> really?
#1321 [15:33] <Zack> everyone lags on my server
#1322 [15:33] <Zack> and ive only had like 3 people on it
#1323 [15:33] <Kealper> sammaelt: no it's not
#1324 [15:33] <DopeGhoti> could be a latency issue
#1325 [15:33] <Zack> i only allocate 1gb of ram to it though
#1326 [15:33] <Vhozard> GreyVulpine, sorry, im not into networking much
#1327 [15:33] <Kealper> sammaelt: that'd do like 2 before it started lagging
#1328 [15:33] <Zack> my pc only has 1.75gb atm
#1329 [15:34] <sammaelt> wow its a real bandwidth hog then
#1330 [15:34] <GreyVulpine> Vhozard - What VM software is this?
#1331 [15:34] <Kealper> indeed
#1332 [15:34] <Vhozard> virtualbox
#1333 [15:34] <GreyVulpine> Crap, not that familiar with virtualbox.
#1334 [15:34] <Vhozard> I could get vmware
#1335 [15:34] <Zack> damn guess ill just have to buy a vps then...
#1336 [15:35] <DopeGhoti> VBox can do bridged network connections just fine.
#1337 [15:35] <Vhozard> should I bridge it ?
#1338 [15:35] <GreyVulpine> Ah, okay, yeah.
#1339 [15:35] <DopeGhoti> yes.
#1340 [15:35] <sammaelt> my upload speed is 60kB/s its good enough to host a decent 8person sever on Trackmania, i didnt try multi on mc yet
#1341 [15:35] <Zack> the chunk updates have to upload to the players though
#1342 [15:35] <Zack> so it's a bandwidth hog lol
#1343 [15:35] <sammaelt> maybe because of people exploring the worlds making the save gigantic
#1344 [15:35] <GreyVulpine> sammaelt - That's barely enough for 1 person
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#1347 [15:36] <GreyVulpine> It's about 100-150kB/sec per player
#1348 [15:36] <sammaelt> i was talkiing about trackmania, another game
#1349 [15:36] * GreyVulpine is referring to MC
#1349 [15:36] <NinjaKirby> I can confirm that, my friend lags with my 50Kbps upstream
#1350 [15:36] <sammaelt> even for 5mb world?
#1351 [15:36] <VoxelHead> crap
#1352 [15:36] <DopeGhoti> unlike nearly all other multiplayer games, in Minecraft, the world is in a constant state of flux, so usage goes up geometrically with player activity.
#1353 [15:37] <Zack> only 150kb/s per person?
#1354 [15:38] <Zack> im thinking the people on my server just have crap bandwidth then...
#1355 [15:38] <GreyVulpine> Kilobytes
#1356 [15:38] <Vhozard> I tested it
#1357 [15:38] <Zack> because i have 860kb/s
#1358 [15:38] <Zack> and they lag
#1359 [15:38] <Kealper> it goes higher than that when someone joins and needs to load a lot of chunks
#1360 [15:38] <Vhozard> got +- 55 KB/s per player
#1361 [15:38] <Zack> i thought less then 1mb was really nad
#1362 [15:38] <Zack> bad*
#1363 [15:38] <Kealper> it is
#1364 [15:38] <Zack> oh
#1365 [15:39] <Vhozard> can someone connect to my server mehbe? to see if its online
#1366 [15:39] <Zack> my download speed is decent though
#1367 [15:39] <Kealper> i've got almost 10mbit/s upload and i wouldn't trust that to do more than like 15 people without lagging
#1368 [15:39] <Zack> 15mb/s give or take
#1369 [15:39] <Zack> im only gonna have like 4 people max though
#1370 [15:39] <Zack> it's a small server for friends
#1371 [15:39] <Kealper> Vhozard: are you hosting it from your house?
#1372 [15:40] <VoxelHead> more fun tha bucket of anchovies
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#1374 [15:40] <Vhozard> yep
#1375 [15:40] <Kealper> Vhozard: type !check in this chat
#1376 [15:40] <Vhozard> !check
#1377 [15:40] <sammaelt> i wish i could have this upload speed though, nearly 1mB/s o_o i pay 25$/month to get 1mB/s download but only 0.06mB/s upload :(
#1378 [15:40] <Kealper> Zack: it should do that without too much headache
#1379 [15:40] <VoxelHead> ok AuBot
#1380 [15:40] <Zack> i think my friends just have crap bandwidth
#1381 [15:40] <Zack> >.>
#1382 [15:40] <Kealper> lol
#1383 [15:41] <Zack> anyone pro with bukkit?
#1384 [15:41] <Zack> I can't even figure out group manager
#1385 [15:42] * Kealper has not messed with Bukkit much
#1385 [15:42] <Kealper> although
#1386 [15:42] <Kealper> #bukkit knows a thing or two about Bukkit :P
#1387 [15:42] <Zack> ah
#1388 [15:42] <Zack> lol
#1389 [15:42] <Zack> ty
#1390 [15:43] <GreyVulpine> Oh Kealper, the redstone bug's still there in 1.5_02
#1391 [15:43] * GreyVulpine shakes fist at Notch
#1391 [15:43] <Kealper> :<
#1392 [15:43] <Zack> what's the redstone bug?
#1393 [15:43] <Kealper> i have not had much of an issue with it lately
#1394 [15:43] <GreyVulpine> I was showing somebody some basic redstone logic with my server, when it wigged out after about a half hour
#1395 [15:44] <Zack> lol
#1396 [15:44] <GreyVulpine> Zack - Since 1.3, redstone burns itself out after a while, with no explaination at all.
#1397 [15:44] <Kealper> i also threw switches on all the booster sections on the main line in my server
#1398 [15:44] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, I saw all the boosters, nice work
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#1400 [15:44] <Kealper> so sections of track can now be disabled lol
#1401 [15:44] <Zack> i didn't do much with redstone, but I never really noticed anything on smp like that happening
#1402 [15:44] * GreyVulpine is a pretty big redstone fan.
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#1403 [15:44] <Kealper> lol
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#1405 [15:45] * DopeGhoti is also an RS enthusiast.
#1405 [15:45] * Kealper just finished eating popcorn shrimp
#1405 [15:46] <GreyVulpine> I'm thinking of doing a nice minecart puzzle in my little fortress, now that detector rails are out
#1406 [15:46] <Zack> im just starting to get into redstone stuff lol
#1407 [15:46] <Zack> i downloaded minecraft pro for ipod touch
#1408 [15:46] <Zack> and it has a bunch of redstone logic junk on it
#1409 [15:46] <Vhozard> <@AuBot> Sorry Vhozard, but things look grim for 83.84.129.134, are you sure you typed it right?
#1410 [15:47] <VoxelHead> Alright then vhozard.
#1411 [15:47] <Vhozard> this means he couldnt connect?
#1412 [15:47] <Kealper> right
#1413 [15:48] <Vhozard> I should have the network adapter bridged, right ?
#1414 [15:49] <Zack> oh...maybe on my server i should have bridged stuff
#1415 [15:49] <Zack> i just made it and opened it... and I dont know how to make a server non-hamachi soo...
#1416 [15:49] <Kealper> Zack: he is doing something a bit more complicated than just running the server
#1417 [15:49] <Zack> oh
#1418 [15:50] <Kealper> Zack: he's running the server inside a virtual operating system
#1419 [15:50] <Zack> my bad
#1420 [15:50] <Zack> that went completely over my head lol
#1421 [15:50] <GreyVulpine> Hey Kealper, is it just me, or are steps being strange in your server?
#1422 [15:50] <Kealper> Vhozard: anyways, if you think you've figured something out and would like to recheck your server's connection, that !check command is always usable
#1423 [15:50] <Kealper> GreyVulpine: with lighting?
#1424 [15:50] <GreyVulpine> yeah
#1425 [15:50] <VoxelHead> about half-past three, I think
#1426 [15:51] <Kealper> it's a known bug with 1.5+
#1427 [15:51] <Vhozard> thanks, Kealper
#1428 [15:51] <GreyVulpine> Bleh
#1429 [15:51] <Kealper> using smooth lighting fixes it
#1430 [15:51] <GreyVulpine> Bah, so it does
#1431 [15:51] <DopeGhoti> I don't like that fix as I happen to think smooth lighting looks terrible.
#1432 [15:51] <Kealper> i wasn't thrilled as i actually like the blocky lighting more...but whatever
#1433 [15:52] <Kealper> lol
#1434 [15:52] <Kealper> Pioneer One episode 4 is out \o/
#1435 [15:52] <Vhozard> does anyone know a quick multithreaded cpu test for linux ?
#1436 [15:52] <DopeGhoti> ?? linux/dontdothis
#1437 [15:52] <VoxelHead> linux/dontdothis: :():{:&:};:
#1438 [15:53] <Kealper> XD
#1439 [15:53] <Kealper> i'm curious now....what does that do?
#1440 [15:53] <DopeGhoti> starts processes until the kernel can't count anymore
#1441 [15:53] <Kealper> oh my lol
#1442 [15:53] <GreyVulpine> !wiki fork bomb
#1443 [15:53] <GreyBot> Wikipedia Found: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_bomb
#1444 [15:53] <DopeGhoti> usually it's about 2-3 seconds to hardlock and/or kernel panic
#1445 [15:53] <GreyBot> In computing, the fork bomb is a form of denial-of-service attack against a computer system which makes use of the fork operation (or equivalent functionality) whereby a running process can create another running process. Fork bombs typically do not spread as worms or viruses; to incapacitate a system, they rely on the (generally valid) assumption that the number of programs and processes
#1446 [15:53] <GreyBot> which may
#1447 [15:53] <GreyBot> execute simultaneously on a computer has a limit. This type of self-replicating program is sometimes called a wabbit.
#1448 [15:53] <Vhozard> but does anyone know a good multithreaded test for cpu usage ?
#1449 [15:54] <DopeGhoti> oh, a _good_ test.
#1450 [15:54] <Kealper> Vhozard: what VoxelHead just told you not to do
#1451 [15:54] <Vhozard> i meant one that wont f*** up my system ;)
#1452 [15:54] <DopeGhoti> running Minecraft-Overviewer on a large map, wtih the proper switches for the number of cores/CPUs?
#1453 [15:54] <Kealper> how many processes on average does that end up running before crash and/or panic?
#1454 [15:54] <Vhozard> ..
#1455 [15:54] <Vhozard> so helpfull
#1456 [15:55] * Vhozard asks in freenode #linux
#1456 [15:55] <Kealper> oh yeah, actually that...c10t your map
#1457 [15:55] <DopeGhoti> Vhozard: I din't have an actual burn-in tool handy of the top of my head. Excuuuuuse me for thinking of a real-world test.
#1458 [15:55] <Kealper> that RAPES all cores if you set that thing's priority to high lol
#1459 [15:55] <DopeGhoti> s/of/off/
#1460 [15:56] <Vhozard> cba to download prime95 really
#1461 [15:56] <Kealper> i don't think prime95 uses more than one thread
#1462 [15:56] <Vhozard> it does
#1463 [15:56] <Vhozard> trust me :)
#1464 [15:56] <Kealper> oh, i guess it's been updated since i last used it :/
#1465 [15:57] <Vhozard> it uses more than 1 threads for the last 5 (?) years
#1466 [15:57] * Kealper just uses the cpu stress test that comes with Everest
#1466 [15:57] <Vhozard> ouch
#1467 [15:57] <Vhozard> thats bad
#1468 [15:57] <Vhozard> use prime95, occt or linpack
#1469 [15:57] <Vhozard> :/
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#1471 [15:57] <Kealper> idk, i've found Everest's does it's job just fine
#1472 [15:57] <Vhozard> if you think so... :)
#1473 [15:57] <Kealper> i don't need to pop the cpu, i just need it to run it at 100%
#1474 [15:58] <DopeGhoti> goot talk, StefSOFT.
#1475 [15:58] <Vhozard> prime95 error checking is superb
#1476 [15:58] <Vhozard> linpack will pop the cpu if its an intel and its running stock cooler
#1477 [15:58] <Vhozard> :P
#1478 [15:58] <Kealper> i used Everest to help me figure out why my computer kept crashing with an MCE a few weeks ago :<
#1479 [15:59] <Vhozard> I use(d) prime95 to repair pc's on a regular basis :)
#1480 [15:59] <Kealper> turns out after having my cpu overclocked since i bought it back in 2008....well...it didn't like running at 3.0 anymore :<
#1481 [15:59] <Vhozard> electron migration :(
#1482 [16:00] * Kealper is sad with his 2.6Ghz dual-core now
#1482 [16:01] <Vhozard> just raise vcore :P
#1483 [16:01] <Kealper> my crappy mobo won't let me raise the vcore any higher than it is iirc, it just lets me lower it
#1484 [16:01] <DopeGhoti> Kealper: what does the label say its speed is?
#1485 [16:02] <Kealper> and i went cheap on the cpu, so it doesn't have an unlocked multiplier
#1486 [16:02] <DopeGhoti> (i. e. if you are still oberclocking, stop kvetching (: )
#1487 [16:02] <Kealper> DopeGhoti: 2600Mhz? lol
#1488 [16:02] <DopeGhoti> ah, so it's running at stock speed.
#1489 [16:02] <Kealper> i've got it all at stock now, i dislike MCEs
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#1492 [16:08] * g notes the absence of both of his bots
#1492 [16:08] <Kealper> !seen mcplusplus
#1493 [16:08] <GreyBot> I last saw mcplusplus (root@irc.pearsoncoles.com) 1hr 19mins 16secs ago, quitting from IRC, saying: Ping timeout: 192 seconds
#1494 [16:08] <NotiCon> someone killed mc++?
#1495 [16:08] * VoxelHead didn't do it.
#1495 [16:08] <NotiCon> VoxelHead: :(
#1496 [16:08] <g> I expect my vps died
#1497 [16:08] <g> although why my bouncer reconnected I have no idea
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#1499 [16:09] <McPlusPlus> [mcpp-ircbot] Changeset [13]: Added antispam (gdude2002) - http://is.gd/N5rg4V
#1500 [16:09] <McPlusPlus> [NotchBlog] The maps! (Anonymous) - http://is.gd/HE4v28
#1501 [16:09] <McPlusPlus> [Mojang-blog] Achtung! Uwaga! Attention! (Anonymous) - http://is.gd/Xxfrwj
#1502 [16:09] <McPlusPlus> [MC-Updates] Minecraft Beta 1.5 (Anonymous) - http://is.gd/WGSWQF
#1503 [16:09] <g> m'kay
#1504 [16:09] <Kealper> ...maps?!
#1505 [16:09] <g> everything's back up
#1506 [16:09] <DopeGhoti> you're.. running an IRC bot. As root.
#1507 [16:09] <g> ~stfu
#1508 [16:09] <Kealper> omg they look cool, and minecraft-esque
#1509 [16:10] <DopeGhoti> or do you just present that impression?
#1510 [16:10] <Kealper> DopeGhoti: that's what i said, but i think he's just trolling and has it's username as root lol
#1511 [16:10] <Kealper> i should do that with AuBot lol
#1512 [16:10] <g> DopeGhoti: Yep, I'm running it as root
#1513 [16:10] <Kealper> ._.
#1514 [16:10] <DopeGhoti> your funeral.
#1515 [16:10] <g> http://i.imgur.com/EQC3O.png
#1516 [16:10] <g> lulz
#1517 [16:10] <Kealper> that's like playing russian roulette with a full clip
#1518 [16:11] <g> good luck trying to hack me through a bot I wrote myself
#1519 [16:11] <DopeGhoti> Not planning on it, but why run the risk?
#1520 [16:11] <DopeGhoti> you're on IRC of all places, sir.
#1521 [16:11] <g> Because I know what the bot does, and what it doesn't
#1522 [16:11] <DopeGhoti> the seething cesspool of the internet.
#1523 [16:11] <g> It's not possible to make it do anything it is unable to do
#1524 [16:12] <g> it has absolutely no interface with anything of use to anyway
#1525 [16:12] <g> the only file it has access to is the settings and data, and it doesn't even write them :P
#1526 [16:12] <DopeGhoti> yes, but it may be possible to make it do things you think it is unable to do, but it is in fact not, due to a library vulnerability.
#1527 [16:12] <g> Feel free to try
#1528 [16:12] <DopeGhoti> Not planning on it
#1529 [16:13] <g> Neither is anyone else
#1530 [16:13] * Kealper doesn't run AuBot on an admin account for that reason
#1530 [16:13] <DopeGhoti> I'm just a firm believer of the POSIX philosophy of 'for each task, a user, and for each user, a task'
#1531 [16:13] <g> I have an irc user
#1532 [16:13] <g> but
#1533 [16:13] <g> I upload stuff as root
#1534 [16:13] <g> and I hate chowning everything
#1535 [16:13] <g> every time I update the code
#1536 [16:13] <Kealper> although it has no known vulnrabilities, AutoIt still has an "Execute" command which allows running strings as AutoIt code....so i don't take the risk
#1537 [16:13] <DopeGhoti> and also of the philosophy of 'If you don't need privileges, don't run in a privileged account'
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#1539 [16:14] * Kealper runs his windows server with that philosophy, and thinks all windows servers would be far better off if they did the same
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#1541 [16:15] <g> Windows? Server? Blasphemy!
#1542 [16:15] <g> :P
#1543 [16:15] <Kealper> it's my home server lol
#1544 [16:15] <DopeGhoti> that's no excuse.
#1545 [16:15] <Kealper> i wouldn't dare try running windows server in a real production enviroment
#1546 [16:16] <g> My school does
#1547 [16:16] <Kealper> ._.
#1548 [16:16] <g> I can RDP it from my iPad over the wireless
#1549 [16:16] * g has all the passwords
#1549 [16:16] <g> :P
#1550 [16:16] <Kealper> that it guy should be slapped
#1551 [16:16] <g> indeed
#1552 [16:16] <Kealper> with a sea bass
#1553 [16:16] <NotiCon> silly system admin
#1554 [16:17] <g> It's pretty robust aside from that
#1555 [16:17] <g> I just happen to have all the passwords
#1556 [16:17] <g> :P
#1557 [16:17] <Kealper> is it atleast a good password? lol
#1558 [16:18] <Kealper> speaking of RDP
#1559 [16:18] <g> I suppose there's nobody who could get at it here
#1560 [16:18] <g> it's "c00k13m0nst3r"
#1561 [16:18] <g> :P
#1562 [16:18] * Kealper goes to set up his parents' computer with RDC access to his home server
#1562 [16:18] <Kealper> is it really? lol
#1563 [16:18] <g> it is, lol
#1564 [16:18] <Kealper> that's....
#1565 [16:18] <g> It used to be n1c0r3tt3
#1566 [16:18] <Kealper> actually kind of secure lol
#1567 [16:18] <g> yeah, lol
#1568 [16:19] <Kealper> anywho....brb to break parents' computer
#1569 [16:19] <Vector> \hf
#1570 [16:20] <Vector> watch Wahrheit be afk still
#1571 [16:20] <Vector> lol
#1572 [16:23] <g> damnit, where's It been today?
#1573 [16:23] <g> And It == Wug?
#1574 [16:23] <Kealper> yes
#1575 [16:23] <Kealper> !seen It
#1576 [16:23] <GreyBot> I last saw It (Wug@wugtop.rh.rit.edu) 2hrs 17mins 10secs ago, quitting from IRC, saying: Ping timeout: 204 seconds
#1577 [16:23] <g> Oh, right :P
#1578 [16:24] <NotiCon> !seen wug
#1579 [16:24] <GreyBot> I last saw wug (~wug@wuggatron.student.rit.edu) 4hrs 12mins 36secs ago, joining #minecrafthelp.
#1580 [16:24] <g> Wug is in here
#1581 [16:24] <g> lol
#1582 [16:27] <Vhozard> !check
#1583 [16:27] <Vhozard> arfgh
#1584 [16:27] * VoxelHead spanks Aubot
#1584 [16:27] <VoxelHead> ~rarr~
#1585 [16:27] <Vhozard> why wont it work
#1586 [16:27] <Kealper> oh my
#1587 [16:28] <g> vox, be quiet
#1588 [16:28] <g> :P
#1589 [16:28] * VoxelHead stamps foot
#1589 [16:28] <VoxelHead> *sulk*
#1590 [16:28] <Vhozard> !check
#1591 [16:28] <Kealper> :o
#1592 [16:28] <Vhozard> stupid bot
#1593 [16:28] <g> :P
#1594 [16:28] <Vhozard> if I run the windows server, I cant connect, but everyone else can
#1595 [16:28] <Vhozard> if I run the linux server, no-one can connect
#1596 [16:28] <Kealper> what address are you using in the windows one?
#1597 [16:29] <Vhozard> same as in the linux
#1598 [16:29] * DreadLindwyrm [DreadLindwyrm@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#1599 [16:29] <Kealper> uhh....
#1600 [16:29] <Vhozard> (problem maybe: im running linux in virtual machine)
#1601 [16:29] <Kealper> are you using 127.0.0.1, a 192.168 address, or your external one?
#1602 [16:29] <Vhozard> localhost
#1603 [16:29] <Kealper> have you messed with your config at all?
#1604 [16:30] <Kealper> the server.properties file
#1605 [16:30] <Vhozard> not at all
#1606 [16:30] <Kealper> hmm.....
#1607 [16:30] <Kealper> just to make absolutely sure...open server.properties on the windows one, and see if server-ip is blank
#1608 [16:31] <Vhozard> server-ip=
#1609 [16:31] <Kealper> hmm
#1610 [16:31] <Kealper> try running the windows mc server, and connecting with your lan ip
#1611 [16:31] <Vhozard> i did
#1612 [16:31] <Vhozard> time out
#1613 [16:31] <Kealper> tried your external one too?
#1614 [16:32] <Vhozard> yup
#1615 [16:32] <Kealper> hmm....
#1616 [16:32] <VoxelHead> G, if people are playing with me, let them. Mean-head.
#1617 [16:32] <Kealper> can you even connect to any servers with your client? lol
#1618 [16:32] * DreadLindwyrm [DreadLindwyrm@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#1619 [16:32] <Vhozard> everything
#1620 [16:32] <Kealper> VoxelHead: FTLOG SHUT UP >:(
#1621 [16:32] <VoxelHead> You wish.
#1622 [16:33] <Kealper> so...you have confirmed that you can connect to other servers?
#1623 [16:33] <Kealper> also
#1624 [16:34] <Kealper> you were using bridged networking for your linux VM, right?
#1625 [16:34] <Vhozard> yes, i have
#1626 [16:34] <Vhozard> yep, bridged
#1627 [16:34] <Vhozard> I can download stuff from the innerwebz using wget
#1628 [16:34] <Kealper> did you update the forward in your router with the linux VM's lan ip?
#1629 [16:34] <Vhozard> !facepalm
#1630 [16:34] <Vhozard> no
#1631 [16:35] <Kealper> because when using bridged, it will have a completely separate IP from the host machine, and look/act like a whole different computer on the network
#1632 [16:36] <Vhozard> yeah
#1633 [16:36] <VoxelHead> Mmm patze.
#1634 [16:36] <Vhozard> LOL
#1635 [16:36] <Vhozard> ok
#1636 [16:36] <Vhozard> shit works
#1637 [16:37] <Kealper> methinks it's !check time?
#1638 [16:37] <Vhozard> !check
#1639 [16:37] <Kealper> O.o
#1640 [16:37] <VoxelHead> That's ok then. I suppose. Don't think this makes me like you again though Aubot
#1641 [16:37] <Vhozard> hmm
#1642 [16:37] <Vhozard> I could connect via localhost now
#1643 [16:37] <Kealper> ...localhost? are you trying to play it on the linux VM too?
#1644 [16:38] <Vhozard> i meant 192.168.1.10
#1645 [16:38] <Kealper> oh
#1646 [16:38] <Vhozard> 107*
#1647 [16:38] <Vhozard> !check
#1648 [16:38] <Kealper> and it's forwarded to that in your router?
#1649 [16:38] <Vhozard> arfg
#1650 [16:38] <VoxelHead> Humph aubot.
#1651 [16:38] <Vhozard> this is kinda hilarious
#1652 [16:38] <NotiCon> VoxelHead: shh
#1653 [16:38] <Vhozard> With win 7 server I cant play on my own server, but others can
#1654 [16:38] <Kealper> i think vox thinks your name is a misspelling of it's own
#1655 [16:39] <Vhozard> With Linux server I can play on my own server, but others cant
#1656 [16:39] <Vhozard> :/
#1657 [16:39] <Kealper> :/
#1658 [16:40] <Vhozard> my world i completely ugly haha
#1659 [16:41] <Vhozard> is*
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#1661 [16:41] <Vhozard> !check
#1662 [16:42] <DopeGhoti> For the record: Vox is now ignoring AuBot.
#1663 [16:42] <Vhozard> !check
#1664 [16:42] <Kealper> lol was it thinking AuBot was directing the messages at it?
#1665 [16:42] <g> brb
#1666 [16:43] <DopeGhoti> Kealper: it was seeing the 'sorry'
#1667 [16:43] <Kealper> oh
#1668 [16:43] <Vhozard> yep
#1669 [16:43] <Vhozard> this is completely stupid
#1670 [16:43] <Vhozard> !check
#1671 [16:43] <Vhozard> now I cant connect ^
#1672 [16:43] <Kealper> ._.
#1673 [16:44] * CytricAcid [CytricAcid@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#1674 [16:44] <DopeGhoti> Vhozard: you should be able to.. what IP are you using internally?
#1675 [16:44] <VoxelHead> A book.
#1676 [16:44] <Vhozard> localhost, 127, 192, wan ip
#1677 [16:44] <Vhozard> none work
#1678 [16:45] <CytricAcid> Hey.
#1679 [16:45] <NotiCon> lo
#1680 [16:46] <CytricAcid> Am I correct in that you cannot play the Sky Lands map anymore due to emmense framerate drops?
#1681 [16:46] <Kealper> woh...
#1682 [16:46] <Kealper> "8237168 films downloaded, 131296 people sharing now, 6460.72 terabytes shared
#1683 [16:46] <Kealper> "*
#1684 [16:46] * h [h@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#1685 [16:46] <NotiCon> Kealper: more details plx
#1686 [16:46] <Kealper> Vodo's stats
#1687 [16:46] <DopeGhoti> ??vodo
#1688 [16:47] <Kealper> http://vodo.net
#1689 [16:47] <g> back
#1690 [16:47] <Vhozard> !check
#1691 [16:47] <Kealper> they act as a content delivery system for indie show/movie makers
#1692 [16:47] <Vhozard> doh
#1693 [16:47] <g> vodo?
#1694 [16:47] <g> wut?
#1695 [16:47] <DopeGhoti> neat
#1696 [16:47] <g> ~title
#1697 [16:47] <McPlusPlus> "VODO - free-to-share films available through bittorrent" (http://is.gd/S86ayu)
#1698 [16:47] <VoxelHead> only with fruit
#1699 [16:47] <g> oic
#1700 [16:47] <CytricAcid> I'm investigating the cause of the lag in the Far Lands. apparently i'm the first one to come up with the hypothesis that it's caused by the same reason Sky Lands lags terribly.
#1701 [16:48] * Kealper has not heard of the Sky Lands mod
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#1702 [16:48] <CytricAcid> It was an old map, it was a bunch of floating islands
#1703 [16:48] <NotiCon> sky lands server?
#1704 [16:48] * goldeelox [goldeelox@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#1705 [16:48] <Kealper> but by Far Lands, do you mean when you are stupid-far out from the spawn point?
#1706 [16:48] <CytricAcid> And yes, that far lands.
#1707 [16:48] <Kealper> ahh
#1708 [16:48] <CytricAcid> Where it glitches up and you get terrible frame rate.
#1709 [16:48] <Vhozard> !check
#1710 [16:49] <Vhozard> yes
#1711 [16:49] <Vhozard> works now
#1712 [16:49] <Vhozard> had to disable windows port forwarding
#1713 [16:49] <Kealper> that lag and stuff like that is probably just due to rounding errors by working with such massive numbers
#1714 [16:49] <Vhozard> and only have the linux port open
#1715 [16:49] <CytricAcid> No, actually!
#1716 [16:49] <Kealper> orly
#1717 [16:49] <CytricAcid> I did an experiment
#1718 [16:49] <Kealper> Vhozard: nice lol
#1719 [16:49] <CytricAcid> Connected to the sky lands map.
#1720 [16:49] <VoxelHead> i like them ^_^
#1721 [16:49] <CytricAcid> The Sky Lands map was fine until the halloween update
#1722 [16:49] <CytricAcid> in which it started lagging terribly
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#1724 [16:50] <Vhozard> Now I can run AND play in my server
#1725 [16:50] <Vhozard> :)
#1726 [16:50] <VoxelHead> ;)
#1727 [16:50] <CytricAcid> i remember that the lag was caused by a lighting bug in levels 32 and below
#1728 [16:50] <Vhozard> one more check to make sure
#1729 [16:50] <Vhozard> !check
#1730 [16:50] <Vhozard> :D
#1731 [16:50] <Vhozard> <--- happy person
#1732 [16:50] <Kealper> lol
#1733 [16:50] <CytricAcid> And the farlands goes way down, allowing lots of light even below level 32.
#1734 [16:50] <Vhozard> and now Im stuck with 3gb RAM -_-
#1735 [16:50] <CytricAcid> To make sure it wasn't from the emmense numbers
#1736 [16:51] <Kealper> lighting bug below level 32? i am unaware of such a bug :/
#1737 [16:51] <CytricAcid> I heard it a while back, I can't recall where
#1738 [16:51] <CytricAcid> But yeah, I took the chunks from the far lands and moved them to around 0,0
#1739 [16:51] <Kealper> i assume it just lags to crap when enough light is < level 32?
#1740 [16:52] <CytricAcid> I think it has to do with the y value
#1741 [16:52] <CytricAcid> not the level of light
#1742 [16:52] <CytricAcid> i think at least, my memory is foggy
#1743 [16:52] <Kealper> meh lol
#1744 [16:52] <CytricAcid> Anyways, I loaded the edited map, and was situated at around 0,0
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#1746 [16:53] <CytricAcid> I had the same lag
#1747 [16:53] <Kealper> gah, brb real quick, continue, i'll read when i get back in a few sec
#1748 [16:53] <CytricAcid> (mind you, when I opened up the original farlands map in MCedit, it started freaking out too. all the selections were triangle shaped and weird.)
#1749 [16:54] <CytricAcid> But that's all I can deduce.
#1750 [16:55] <CytricAcid> Since then, I've tried editing the 0,0 farlands map to replace some of the blocks under level 32 to stone, but I don't think it worked as the lag was still there.
#1751 [16:56] <CytricAcid> The lag started with the halloween update. If anyone still has a pre-halloween update minecraft, I want them to go to the farlands and see if the lag continues
#1752 [16:57] <Vhozard> okay
#1753 [16:57] <CytricAcid> according to this forum post, apparently lighting bugs up under level 32 when loading chunks. I think this is the reason why on the wiki, someone said the lag went away after about 5 minutes.
#1754 [16:57] <CytricAcid> "I actually figure out what the problem was after a bit of research. Apparently when the ground is below layer 32 the lighting buggers up and causes this weird chunk load lag that I'm getting. Need to wait for notch to fix the lighting before I can do anything, otherwise I have to fill layer 32 downwards with blocks, then it's not really skylands now, is it?"
#1755 [16:57] <Vhozard> Any way to reduce windows client RAM usage?
#1756 [16:58] <Vhozard> its at 600mb now
#1757 [16:58] <CytricAcid> Another look at a forums from a difference source confirms the lag.
#1758 [16:59] <Kealper> ok back, read, and that's.....weird....
#1759 [16:59] <CytricAcid> I can assure you the Skylands map played fine before the halloween update, as I had played it with my friends.
#1760 [16:59] <Kealper> Vhozard: no, the client and server both love ram
#1761 [17:00] <CytricAcid> Anyways... I tried contacting notch via twitter, but everyone just loves @ing notch.
#1762 [17:00] <Vhozard> ah
#1763 [17:00] <Kealper> anywho, there is a general modding channel in this network, some of them might have poked around with that stuff, too...or might understand the issues that cause it more
#1764 [17:00] <Vhozard> so its kinda impossible to run a mc server on my laptop?
#1765 [17:00] <CytricAcid> Oh, alright
#1766 [17:00] <Kealper> #risucraft is the name
#1767 [17:00] <CytricAcid> thank you!
#1768 [17:00] <CytricAcid> I'll see if they've messed with it
#1769 [17:01] <Kealper> Vhozard: if your laptop has less than 3 gigs of ram, yeah :/
#1770 [17:01] <Vhozard> it has exactly 3
#1771 [17:01] <Kealper> oh....you might be cutting it close, but it could do it lol
#1772 [17:01] <Vhozard> but id like to run winamp, firefox, and whatever too :P
#1773 [17:02] <Vhozard> guess ill just buy an i7 and 48gb ram
#1774 [17:02] <Kealper> ...lol
#1775 [17:02] <Vhozard> right? http://www.techolive.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/gskill-48gb.jpg
#1776 [17:02] * Kealper doesn't even want to think how expensive 48gb of ram would be
#1776 [17:03] <Vhozard> better yet
#1777 [17:03] <Vhozard> 18*8gb
#1778 [17:03] <Vhozard> http://img.hexus.net/v2/internationalevents/HPC2008/Tyan-big.jpg
#1779 [17:03] <Vhozard> :)
#1780 [17:03] <Kealper> lol that totally looks like a server mobo
#1781 [17:03] <VoxelHead> =D
#1782 [17:03] <Vhozard> it is
#1783 [17:03] <Kealper> Tyan....it is..
#1784 [17:03] <Kealper> lol
#1785 [17:03] <Vhozard> 18*8 = 144gb
#1786 [17:03] <Vhozard> nice
#1787 [17:04] <Vhozard> or I could go with 16gb stick from kingston
#1788 [17:04] <Vhozard> 288gb ram
#1789 [17:04] <Vhozard> then I wouldnt get those stupid errors anymore :)
#1790 [17:04] <Kealper> it'd be epic to have a server mobo that had 4 cpu sockets....and have some of those 2.2Ghz 12-core Opterons in it
#1791 [17:05] <Vhozard> 288gb RAM wouldnt be epic?
#1792 [17:05] <Vhozard> :(
#1793 [17:05] <g> Why the hell
#1794 [17:05] <g> Nobody needs that much :P
#1795 [17:05] <GreyVulpine> I do..
#1796 [17:05] <Kealper> 48 cores and 288GB would be.....decent i guess lol
#1797 [17:05] <Vhozard> kk
#1798 [17:05] <Vhozard> :D
#1799 [17:05] <Kealper> 288GB of ram*
#1800 [17:05] <VoxelHead> :)
#1801 [17:05] <GreyVulpine> All my pr0n, at a nanosecond's reach
#1802 [17:05] <Kealper> lol
#1803 [17:05] <Vhozard> more like 1% of my porn
#1804 [17:05] <Vhozard> ...
#1805 [17:06] <g> lulz
#1806 [17:06] * Kealper steals some chocolate eggs
#1806 [17:06] <Vhozard> nah j/k
#1807 [17:06] <Vhozard> I only have minecraft files :/
#1808 [17:06] <g> Aw
#1809 [17:06] <g> I was hoping you didn't like /d/ so I could steal some :P
#1810 [17:07] * g opens C:\dell\Drivers\Other\shtuff
#1810 [17:07] <Kealper> bah
#1811 [17:08] <Kealper> every 10 minutes i hear "Welcome...To...The...K..8..A..R..C...Repeater"
#1812 [17:09] <g> lol
#1813 [17:09] * Vhozard opens D:
#1813 [17:09] <Vhozard> wait
#1814 [17:09] * Vhozard opens D:\Desktop\Porn\
#1814 [17:09] <Vhozard> :)
#1815 [17:09] <VoxelHead> ^_^
#1816 [17:09] <Vhozard> why hide it ?
#1817 [17:09] * Kealper looks around his computer and then does: :<
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#1819 [17:12] <g> lol
#1820 [17:12] <g> Why put it on your desktop
#1821 [17:12] <g> there are other people in this house :P
#1822 [17:12] <Vhozard> 256 pixel icon
#1823 [17:12] <Vhozard> PORN
#1824 [17:12] <Vhozard> with huge black dick
#1825 [17:12] <Vhozard> great, ey
#1826 [17:12] <Vhozard> :)
#1827 [17:12] <VoxelHead> =)
#1828 [17:12] <Kealper> why store it at all? internets are now fast enough to not have to
#1829 [17:12] <Vhozard> j/k I dont have any porn on my hdd
#1830 [17:13] <Vhozard> pornhub.com ftw
#1831 [17:13] * Kealper would prefer to keep links of that nature out of the channel
#1831 [17:13] <Vhozard> i did not put www or http :)
#1832 [17:13] * g is indifferent
#1832 [17:14] <Kealper> general implying is fine, but there are youngins who go here and might click the NSFW content and then get grounded off the computer :/
#1833 [17:14] <Vhozard> not my problem :)
#1834 [17:14] <Vhozard> but ill refrain from them
#1835 [17:14] <Kealper> meh, it makes the channel look bad :/
#1836 [17:14] <Kealper> (and this channel is logged)
#1837 [17:15] <Vhozard> hmm
#1838 [17:15] <Vhozard> I usually hide out in more dark channels
#1839 [17:15] <Kealper> lol
#1840 [17:15] <Vhozard> I guess most people would puke if they saw what gets posted there
#1841 [17:15] <Vhozard> haha
#1842 [17:16] <Kealper> o.o
#1843 [17:16] <VoxelHead> I was curious to see when you'd shut up on your own... but it's been three hours now, Vhozard... THREE HOURS#^@�^@*#$#%percent~
#1844 [17:16] * GreyVulpine snickers
#1844 [17:16] * VoxelHead edible pantiess
#1844 [17:16] <Kealper> oh my
#1845 [17:16] <Vhozard> Whats wrong VoxelHead?
#1846 [17:16] <VoxelHead> a monitor
#1847 [17:16] <Kealper> vox certainly is extra chatty today lol
#1848 [17:16] <Vhozard> its been less than 2 hours actually
#1849 [17:17] <Vhozard> [9:25pm]
#1850 [17:17] <Vhozard> [11:17pm]
#1851 [17:17] <Vhozard> thats less than 2, right?
#1852 [17:17] <Kealper> >11:17PM
#1853 [17:17] <Kealper> >british person
#1854 [17:18] <Vhozard> >dutch
#1855 [17:18] <Kealper> bah, close enough lol
#1856 [17:18] * Kealper cba'd to geo-ip you
#1856 [17:18] <Kealper> speaking of geo-ip'ing
#1857 [17:19] <Vhozard> 83.84.129.134 http://www.geoiptool.com/
#1858 [17:19] <Vhozard> go ahead ^
#1859 [17:19] <Kealper> http://www.ip-adress.com/ip_tracer/74.208.227.185 >:D
#1860 [17:21] <Kealper> what sort of internet speeds can/do you get in NL?
#1861 [17:21] <NotiCon> whichever you want to
#1862 [17:21] <Kealper> because the majority of the usa blows compared to most european countries
#1863 [17:22] <Vhozard> lemme speedtest
#1864 [17:22] <Kealper> i've got about the best you can get for most parts of the usa without shelling out hundreds of dollars per month and mine is only 24/10 mbit/s
#1865 [17:23] <Kealper> yet i've noticed in most european countries (sweden, especially) you can get that for like $15/mo
#1866 [17:23] <Vhozard> the speed in another town nearby is much better though
#1867 [17:23] <Vhozard> my speed sucks
#1868 [17:23] <Vhozard> bad
#1869 [17:23] <Vhozard> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1272954456.png
#1870 [17:23] <Vhozard> :(
#1871 [17:23] <VoxelHead> aww
#1872 [17:23] <Kealper> well, is your connection fiber, cable, or dsl? lol
#1873 [17:23] <VoxelHead> what's the matter, actual-size vhozard?
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#1875 [17:24] <Vhozard> cable
#1876 [17:24] <Kealper> the hell
#1877 [17:24] <Kealper> that's like 5x faster than what i get >.>
#1878 [17:24] <Vhozard> its all about upload
#1879 [17:24] <Vhozard> dont care about down
#1880 [17:24] <DopeGhoti> that's europe's better infrastructure for ya
#1881 [17:24] <Kealper> yeah, my upload is about the same as yours
#1882 [17:25] * Kealper runs a test
#1882 [17:25] <Vhozard> had to buy more expensive subscription to get higer uplink
#1883 [17:25] <VoxelHead> bye cytricacid
#1884 [17:25] <Vhozard> so now im stuck with 120/9
#1885 [17:25] <Vhozard> :(
#1886 [17:25] <Kealper> eew...that download speed is horrible
#1887 [17:25] <Vhozard> I know right
#1888 [17:25] <Kealper> 12ms ping, 17mbit/s down, and 8mbit/s up on this test i just ran
#1889 [17:26] <Kealper> although.....it is around the time that most people would be getting off work right now, so the tubes are probably clogged
#1890 [17:26] <Kealper> living in the city ftl
#1891 [17:27] <Kealper> but yeah, to get 100/10 in the area i live in...is literally $400 a month
#1892 [17:27] <DopeGhoti> That's.. a lot.
#1893 [17:27] <Kealper> and you must have a registered business at the address you order from
#1894 [17:27] <Vhozard> I could get 200/200 for 100 /month
#1895 [17:27] <Vhozard> but I live in the wrong city
#1896 [17:27] <Vhozard> :(
#1897 [17:28] <Kealper> meh...lol
#1898 [17:28] <Kealper> i'd serve on that
#1899 [17:28] <Kealper> lol
#1900 [17:28] * Haydees [Haydees@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#1901 [17:28] <Haydees> Hi
#1902 [17:28] <Haydees> Can anybody help me a sec?
#1903 [17:28] <DopeGhoti> ?? ask
#1904 [17:28] <VoxelHead> ask: Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help, and be as specific as possible.
#1905 [17:28] <VoxelHead> ask: If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#1906 [17:28] <g> ^
#1907 [17:29] <Haydees> ^^
#1908 [17:29] <VoxelHead> :)
#1909 [17:29] * Kealper uploads a screencap
#1909 [17:29] <Vhozard> If Kealper uploads that screencap, it will be the end of all of us!
#1910 [17:29] <Vhozard> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
#1911 [17:29] <Haydees> I had a minecraft account a while back, and played on some multiplayer servers. Ive made a new account as i forgot the details, and tried to go online, but says im not a premium account. Does this mean I now have to purcahse the game?
#1912 [17:29] <Kealper> http://i.imgur.com/LLKAP.png pricing without factoring in setup fees and other monthly charges
#1913 [17:29] * Vhozard just did a little dbz reference
#1913 [17:29] <Kealper> capitalism at it's "best"
#1914 [17:30] <GreyVulpine> That new account isn't tied to your old account where you paid for it.. so yeah, you'll have to pay for premium again on your new account
#1915 [17:30] <DopeGhoti> Yes, Minecraft is not free, other than Classic mode.
#1916 [17:30] <Vhozard> what country?
#1917 [17:30] <GreyVulpine> Unless you can find your old account's details
#1918 [17:30] <Kealper> usa
#1919 [17:30] <Vhozard> haha
#1920 [17:30] <Vhozard> <3 usa
#1921 [17:30] <VoxelHead> How can you have an operation dispending doom 2 without me?
#1922 [17:30] <DopeGhoti> if you 'forgot the details' of the old account, use the 'forgot password' tool
#1923 [17:30] <ronjn> hey guys..anyone playing on a smp and noticing a decrease in mob spawn?
#1924 [17:30] <Kealper> the usa is garbage
#1925 [17:30] <Haydees> Okie dokie. Well my old account wasn't premium. I was just wondering if anything had changed, but must have played the classic version. Thanks guys (y)
#1926 [17:31] <Vhozard> Kealper, so if anyone wonders
#1927 [17:31] <DopeGhoti> ronjn: decrase‽ I've been seeing *herds* of creepers lately
#1928 [17:31] <Vhozard> if you cant join your own server, hosted on windows.
#1929 [17:31] <ronjn> meh :/
#1930 [17:31] <Kealper> it's quite literally the late 1800's all over again....the "Gilded Age"...everything looks nice on the surface, but dig a bit deeper and you see the cheap metal beneath
#1931 [17:31] <ronjn> since 1.5 we has crazy spawn of mobs
#1932 [17:31] <Vhozard> Just virtual machine linux and run it in there :)
#1933 [17:31] <ronjn> and i just logged on and theres barely any
#1934 [17:31] <ronjn> my mobtrap is sad :/
#1935 [17:32] <Kealper> Vhozard: yeah, i've used that VM thing as a fix for a few issues before :/
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#1937 [17:32] <Xephys> Hello
#1938 [17:32] <Xephys> Need help - My MC savefile, named World1 is not appearing when I start the game, yet the folder still exists in the saves file. What do?
#1939 [17:32] <DopeGhoti> motninh, Xephys
#1940 [17:32] <Kealper> Xephys: open the folder
#1941 [17:32] <Xephys> Fellow at #minecraft said deleting level.dat, but I'm just checking with you guys
#1942 [17:32] <DopeGhoti> ?? nullsave
#1943 [17:32] <VoxelHead> nullsave: If your computer unexpectedly died, and your Minecraft world suddenly no longer works, try loading it (the world) in MCEdit, and resaving the world. This is known to sometimes fix the problem.
#1944 [17:33] <VoxelHead> nullsave: MCEdit can be found at http://is.gd/rnBfkU-
#1945 [17:33] <Kealper> Xephys: delete level.dat and then rename the level.dat_old or whatever to level.dat
#1946 [17:33] <Morrolan> I adivse you to try DopeGhoti's advise first though.
#1947 [17:33] <Morrolan> This way you won't loose parts of your inventory.
#1948 [17:33] <Kealper> actually
#1949 [17:33] <Kealper> just rename level.dat to something else
#1950 [17:33] <Kealper> so if it doesn't work, you can just rename it back and not lose anything
#1951 [17:34] <Kealper> but level.dat is usually the culprit for that issue
#1952 [17:34] * Kealper is thinking chinese food for dinner
#1952 [17:34] <Xephys> It's an old old savefile, I don't even remember my inventory. I do remember chestfulls of iron and around a hundred diamond from all the work I did
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#1954 [17:34] <Kealper> :o
#1955 [17:34] <VoxelHead> Crumbs.
#1956 [17:34] <DopeGhoti> if you nuke the player.dat, you will lose personal inventory, but chests &c should be safe.
#1957 [17:34] <Xephys> When I lost it to that crashing thing for the 5th time, I gave up and started a new world
#1958 [17:35] <Xephys> would like to see my old buildings, so thanks for the help
#1959 [17:35] <DopeGhoti> still, loading and resaving the world in MCEdit should restore the .datfile too IIRC
#1960 [17:36] <DopeGhoti> Kealper: Chinese. Brilliant!
#1961 [17:36] * DopeGhoti goes to Pei Wei for lunch
#1961 [17:37] * Kealper runs out to China Wok a few blocks away
#1961 [17:38] * g doesn't go out to ge Chineese at 10.40PM
#1961 [17:38] <g> get*
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#1963 [17:47] * the_dimi1992 [the_dimi1992@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#1964 [17:47] <the_dimi1992> hello
#1965 [17:47] <the_dimi1992> can i ask something
#1966 [17:47] <lemon-rev> pleaas
#1967 [17:47] <g> ??> the_dimi1992 ask
#1968 [17:47] <the_dimi1992> how can i teleport players in my server?
#1969 [17:47] <VoxelHead> the_dimi1992: (ask) Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help, and be as specific as possible.
#1970 [17:47] <VoxelHead> the_dimi1992: (ask) If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#1971 [17:48] <GreyVulpine> /tp player1 player2
#1972 [17:48] <g> using /tp as an op
#1973 [17:48] <GreyVulpine> will teleport player1 to player2
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#1975 [17:48] <the_dimi1992> can i teleport myself to cordinates
#1976 [17:48] <GreyVulpine> Not without a mod
#1977 [17:49] <the_dimi1992> wich mod?
#1978 [17:50] <g> #bukit
#1979 [17:50] <g> #bukkit *
#1980 [17:50] <GreyVulpine> ^
#1981 [17:51] <the_dimi1992> how can i go on the server off my friend right next to me i'm a op
#1982 [17:52] <the_dimi1992> ?
#1983 [17:53] <GreyVulpine> Huh?
#1984 [17:53] * TheNytangel [TheNytangel@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#1985 [17:54] <TheNytangel> for bukkit, what is the plugin that makes you do /tpa <name>, /tpahere <name>, and /tpaccept?
#1986 [17:54] <TheNytangel> so that i can add the /tpaccept to default
#1987 [17:54] <the_dimi1992> yeah my friend started a server but i know more about commands and stuff so is it in anyway possible so i can log into the client off his server
#1988 [17:54] <the_dimi1992> where i can use commands?
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#1990 [17:55] <GreyVulpine> TheNytangel - It's essentials
#1991 [17:56] <GreyVulpine> the_dimi1992 - Sure, if you know what his ip address is
#1992 [17:56] <the_dimi1992> how u mean?
#1993 [17:56] <the_dimi1992> yeah how do i do it then?
#1994 [17:56] <TheNytangel> GreyVulpine, what would I add to the permissions?
#1995 [17:56] <VoxelHead> Some string.
#1996 [17:56] <GreyVulpine> Um, I'm not too familiar with essentials TheNytangel
#1997 [17:56] <GreyVulpine> Try the wiki
#1998 [17:56] <TheNytangel> well could you "help" me? :P
#1999 [17:56] <GreyVulpine> http://ess.earth2me.com/index.php/Command_Reference
#2000 [17:57] <GreyVulpine> the_dimi1992 - All you need to do is input the server's ip address in the multiplayer field of your client
#2001 [17:57] <Morrolan> the_dimi1992: Or do you mean how he can make you OP?
#2002 [17:57] <GreyVulpine> Then you connect to it, and use "T" to pull up the chat menu, where you put in commands
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#2005 [17:59] <VoxelHead> mmm razorflame
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#2007 [17:59] <the_dimi1992> no i mean that i can do the same as him so like using commands on his server and shit
#2008 [18:00] <GreyVulpine> Then log into the server using your client?
#2009 [18:00] <GreyVulpine> If he's set you up as op, you should have access to those commands
#2010 [18:00] <the_dimi1992> ooh ok thanks
#2011 [18:00] <the_dimi1992> and how can i use more commands
#2012 [18:01] <the_dimi1992> do u have a list off all availible commands?
#2013 [18:01] <GreyVulpine> Is this server modded or vanilla/original?
#2014 [18:01] <the_dimi1992> original i think
#2015 [18:01] <GreyVulpine> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/SMP_Server_commands
#2016 [18:01] <GreyVulpine> Or you can use "/help" in-game for a list of commands
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#2018 [18:04] <NinjaKirby> Erm, anyone know which Logic Gate to select to effectively convert a Pressure Plates output to a locking setting, rather then momentary?
#2019 [18:04] <GreyVulpine> RS NOR
#2020 [18:04] <GreyVulpine> latch
#2021 [18:04] <NinjaKirby> Damn, you are fast XD Thanks alot!
#2022 [18:04] * Kealper is back, with Chinese food
#2022 [18:04] <VoxelHead> Hey.
#2023 [18:04] <GreyVulpine> RS is one of my specialities.
#2024 [18:05] <NinjaKirby> Ah, that explains why it's called a Memory Cell, derp
#2025 [18:05] <Kealper> <3 the RS NOR
#2026 [18:05] <NinjaKirby> lol, the only "big one" I've worked with and mastered is the XOR
#2027 [18:05] <NinjaKirby> Good ol' double door action
#2028 [18:06] <GreyVulpine> Pfft, you haven't done redstone till you've messed with latches and flipflops.
#2029 [18:06] <NinjaKirby> I can imagine ~_~ They look a bit more beast
#2030 [18:06] <NinjaKirby> Well, I'm going for it now :3
#2031 [18:07] * Kealper listens to the outro song for Portal 2
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#2032 [18:08] <NinjaKirby> Kealper, similar style to the first games?
#2033 [18:08] <NinjaKirby> *First game, I fail at writing
#2034 [18:08] <Kealper> the ending song?
#2035 [18:08] <NinjaKirby> Ya
#2036 [18:08] <Kealper> not really
#2037 [18:09] <the_dimi1992> is there a list off item numbers?
#2038 [18:09] <Kealper> although i'm not talking about Want You Gone, i'm talking about the one where i would require saying a spoiler to say what it is
#2039 [18:09] <NinjaKirby> Whoa, don't say anything :P
#2040 [18:09] <the_dimi1992> is there a list off item numbers?
#2041 [18:09] <Kealper> yeah. getting it now
#2042 [18:09] <Kealper> yeah,*
#2043 [18:09] <NinjaKirby> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Item_codes
#2044 [18:10] <NinjaKirby> Hopefully I got that right
#2045 [18:10] <Kealper> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/File:DataValuesBeta.png
#2046 [18:10] <Kealper> i like that image
#2047 [18:10] <NinjaKirby> Hehe
#2048 [18:10] <Morrolan> Wouldn't a T flip flop be a better choice if you want to turn it of with the same pressure plate as well?
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#2050 [18:11] <Kealper> an RS NOR can do a constant output from any duration of input
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#2052 [18:12] <GreyVulpine> Hmm
#2053 [18:13] * GreyVulpine stabs Morrolan
#2053 [18:13] <Morrolan> Hmm?
#2054 [18:13] <GreyVulpine> !k Morrolan
#2055 [18:13] * GreyBot kicked Morrolan from #minecrafthelp (Reason: <Kicks:633>)
#2056 [18:13] * GreyVulpine grins
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#2057 [18:13] <GreyVulpine> There we go
#2058 [18:13] <Kealper> lol
#2059 [18:13] <Morrolan> Problem solved, eh' :D
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#2061 [18:13] <NinjaKirby> lol...
#2062 [18:13] <GreyVulpine> Indeed
#2063 [18:13] <Kealper> you know, you could have just added a "ick" to that !k lol
#2064 [18:13] <GreyVulpine> Pfft, !k 's faster
#2065 [18:14] <Morrolan> Hehe. :D
#2066 [18:14] <Kealper> bah lol
#2067 [18:14] <Morrolan> Greatly increases the lifetime of your keyboard. ;)
#2068 [18:14] <GreyVulpine> three whole keystrokes.
#2069 [18:14] <Morrolan> Oh, a "+", nice. :)
#2070 [18:14] <Kealper> not when you have to type /op GreyBot first lol
#2071 [18:14] <Morrolan> Kealper: Oh well. ^^
#2072 [18:15] <GreyVulpine> right-click, op Greybot
#2073 [18:15] <Kealper> you and your fancy GUI clients >.>
#2074 [18:15] <GreyVulpine> Indeed
#2075 [18:15] * GreyVulpine hugs mIRC
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#2076 [18:15] <Morrolan> Bah, mIRC is sooooo mainstream. :p
#2077 [18:15] <g> I still do /mode #minecrafthelp +o user
#2078 [18:15] <Morrolan> I have to admit that it's nice though. :)
#2079 [18:15] <g> even though I use mIRC
#2080 [18:15] <GreyVulpine> I've used it for far longer than I can remember
#2081 [18:16] <g> it's faster than clicking :P
#2082 [18:16] <GreyVulpine> Just like Winrar. I know 7zip's better, it's just I've used winrar for so long..
#2083 [18:16] <GreyVulpine> It's still part of my computer software kit that I install on everything
#2084 [18:16] <Kealper> ^
#2085 [18:17] <Kealper> man i love this song
#2086 [18:17] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, xales is playing portal 2
#2087 [18:17] <Kealper> lol
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#2089 [18:20] <GreyVulpine> TheNytangel - Did you figure out what you needed for essential's permissions?
#2090 [18:21] <TheNytangel> yes
#2091 [18:21] <Kealper> lol....someone actually managed to translate peices of that turret opera
#2092 [18:21] <GreyVulpine> pieces? Somebody already translated all of it
#2093 [18:21] <GreyVulpine> It's in italian
#2094 [18:22] <the_dimi1992> how can i do i server let crash
#2095 [18:22] <Kealper> yeah, i was reading a comment on this video where someone translated a bit of it lol
#2096 [18:22] <Kealper> oh wow....
#2097 [18:22] <Morrolan> the_dimi: Euhm, you want to crash a server?
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#2099 [18:24] <Morrolan> Actually, speaking of crashing a server, did the crash because of a too long string get fixed?
#2100 [18:24] <MarcN> Is http://minecraft-wiki.com/free/ a scam?
#2101 [18:24] <GreyVulpine> Most likely, yes
#2102 [18:24] <Kealper> very much so
#2103 [18:24] <Morrolan> If it promises free accounts then yes.
#2104 [18:24] <MarcN> I suspected, will let the folks on facebook know...
#2105 [18:24] <Morrolan> Ah, that site has been around for quite some time now.
#2106 [18:25] <Morrolan> You see people posting with that link on facebook a lot, yep.
#2107 [18:26] <Kealper> woh
#2108 [18:26] <Kealper> watching a video with that translatopn of that song....that is a mega spoiler lol
#2109 [18:27] <Kealper> translation*
#2110 [18:27] <Kealper> typing while watching the video instead of my client ftl
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#2115 [18:37] <Wahrheit> ?? ask now
#2116 [18:37] <Wahrheit> ?? ask
#2117 [18:37] <VoxelHead> ask: Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help, and be as specific as possible.
#2118 [18:37] <VoxelHead> ask: If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#2119 [18:37] <Wahrheit> oh cool
#2120 [18:37] <Wahrheit> I want one of those :p
#2121 [18:45] <g> ȸ
#2122 [18:45] <g> lolwut?
#2123 [18:46] <Kealper> is that a ladybug? lol
#2124 [18:47] <g> lolwut
#2125 [18:47] <g> I dunno
#2126 [18:47] <g> looks like a phallus
#2127 [18:47] <g> or a cb
#2128 [18:47] <Kealper> lol....
#2129 [18:47] <Kealper> looks like a ladybug on my screen
#2130 [18:47] <g> lolwut
#2131 [18:47] <g> ȸ
#2132 [18:47] <g> http://i.imgur.com/vsB2M.png
#2133 [18:48] <Kealper> lol
#2134 [18:49] <Kealper> on mine it has serifs at the top that look like antennae
#2135 [18:50] <g> xD
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#2137 [18:52] <g> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DB_digraph
#2138 [18:53] <VoxelHead> Bye Shnaw.
#2139 [18:54] <Kealper> hmm....i wonder what font my ssh client uses...
#2140 [18:54] <g> :P
#2141 [18:54] <g> brb
#2142 [18:55] <dopeghoti> Kealper: my money is on sonething without 'Snas' in the name.
#2143 [18:55] <dopeghoti> or 'Sans' for that matter.
#2144 [18:55] <Kealper> nope
#2145 [18:55] <Kealper> mine is a serif font
#2146 [18:55] * Kealper looks
#2146 [18:56] <DopeGhoti> hence my guess, based on your assertion that there were serifs.
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#2148 [18:56] <Kealper> oh, without, i thought you meant with sans lol
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#2150 [18:56] <Kealper> it's Courier New
#2151 [18:57] <g> bakc
#2152 [18:57] <g> back*
#2153 [18:57] <DopeGhoti> ProTip: by 'without', I rarely mean 'with'.
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#2155 [18:59] <Kealper> yeah, i just glanced over and didn't see "out" lol
#2156 [18:59] <Kealper> woh, Courier New has a ton of characters in it
#2157 [19:00] <DopeGhoti> It is one of the unicode fonts that's more complete than others, in Windowsland AFAICR
#2158 [19:00] <Kealper> hmm...this actually has a charcter at 0xFEFF....
#2159 [19:00] <Kealper> character*
#2160 [19:00] <TheNytangel> >.> with worldedit, what is the permission to r-click a sign with [Free]?
#2161 [19:01] <Kealper> that could be fun looking if something used that char and interpreted BOMs
#2162 [19:01] <TheNytangel> i found this: http://wiki.sk89q.com/wiki/WorldEdit/Permissions but i have not found something for the [free] signs :/
#2163 [19:01] <Kealper> and it ended up not being that specific endian-ness
#2164 [19:03] <Diablothein> Kealpybby! less than three
#2165 [19:03] <Kealper>  testing...
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#2167 [19:03] <DopeGhoti> I wonder if ‎this works.
#2168 [19:03] <Kealper> woh, it doesn't show....irssi is considering that char a BOM lol
#2169 [19:03] <DopeGhoti> nope.
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#2171 [19:03] <Kealper> Diablothein: well...you've been afk forever lol
#2172 [19:04] <Diablothein> School, y'know?
#2173 [19:04] <Diablothein> Didyamissme?
#2174 [19:04] <DopeGhoti> whoops, wrong character. ‏This is what I meant.
#2175 [19:04] <DopeGhoti> nope.
#2176 [19:04] <Kealper> ♂
#2177 [19:04] <DopeGhoti> Diablothein: I didn't shoot; how could I have missed?
#2178 [19:04] <TheNytangel> GreyVulpine?
#2179 [19:04] <VoxelHead> one day
#2180 [19:04] <Diablothein> Not talking to you.
#2181 [19:05] <Kealper> ♪♪♫♯⸗♫
#2182 [19:05] <DopeGhoti> ☝ musical.
#2183 [19:06] <TheNytangel> no one..?
#2184 [19:06] * Kealper is a Bukkit noob
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#2185 [19:06] <TheNytangel> :D Kealper can helpeth me
#2186 [19:06] <DopeGhoti> s/Bukkit //#(:
#2187 [19:07] <Kealper> :<
#2188 [19:07] <DopeGhoti> I said (:.
#2189 [19:07] <Kealper> † <-- TIL that is called a dagger
#2190 [19:07] <DopeGhoti> indeed it is.
#2191 [19:07] <DopeGhoti> or a bithorpe.
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#2193 [19:07] <g> hm
#2194 [19:07] <Matty> !paid shieldz06
#2195 [19:07] <g> If anyone but me joins the server,
#2196 [19:08] <g> disconnect.overflow
#2197 [19:08] <g> "XXX lost connection: disconnect.overflow"
#2198 [19:08] <TheNytangel> >:o Kealper, can you help me?
#2199 [19:08] * g scratches his head
#2199 [19:08] <Kealper> TheNytangel: when it comes to Bukkit-related things, i'm literally less than useless
#2200 [19:08] <g> TheNytangel: #bukkit
#2201 [19:08] <TheNytangel> so you can help?
#2202 [19:09] <Kealper> g: uhh....can those people connect to other servers fine?
#2203 [19:09] <Kealper> TheNytangel: #bukkit
#2204 [19:09] <g> yes
#2205 [19:09] <g> they can
#2206 [19:09] <TheNytangel> fu
#2207 [19:09] <TheNytangel> :P
#2208 [19:09] <g> I'm connected locally however
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#2210 [19:09] <Kealper> g: hmm....running any firewall software?
#2211 [19:09] <g> Avast, already checked
#2212 [19:09] <g> It used to work fine
#2213 [19:10] <Kealper> weird
#2214 [19:10] <g> Indeed
#2215 [19:10] <g> I'll try restarting it
#2216 [19:10] * DopeGhoti hugs iptables
#2216 [19:10] * Kealper wishes windows didn't suck and had something as awesome as that
#2216 [19:10] <g> hm, that fixes it
#2217 [19:10] <g> or not
#2218 [19:11] <Kealper> although.....i actually messed with Windows Firewall for 7...it isn't too bad...lol
#2219 [19:11] <Kealper> it still sucks, but it's actually bearable now
#2220 [19:11] <g> [INFO] emo_grl lost connection: disconnect.overflow
#2221 [19:11] <g> rawr
#2222 [19:11] <g> what be this craziness
#2223 [19:11] <Kealper> inb4 emo_grl is a dude
#2224 [19:11] <g> no
#2225 [19:11] <g> lol
#2226 [19:11] <g> I know her irl
#2227 [19:12] <Kealper> oh lol
#2228 [19:12] <g> I meant the disconnect :P
#2229 [19:12] <Kealper> hmm...when did it start? after a specific update? or randomly?
#2230 [19:12] <g> It literally just started
#2231 [19:12] <Kealper> oh, that's weird
#2232 [19:12] <g> I grabbed vanilla, set it up quickly
#2233 [19:12] <g> and that's what happened
#2234 [19:12] <Kealper> tried restarting the machine?
#2235 [19:13] <g> Pretty sure that wouldn't help
#2236 [19:13] <g> :P
#2237 [19:13] <Kealper> maybe something screwed up with it's NICs buffer and there is something stuck in it's buffer
#2238 [19:13] <g> hm
#2239 [19:13] <g> it's never happened before
#2240 [19:13] <g> but it's possible I guess
#2241 [19:13] <g> but I want to avoid that :P
#2242 [19:13] <Kealper> because minecraft and network buffers have always hated eachother
#2243 [19:13] <Kealper> OR
#2244 [19:13] <Kealper> is it a windows machine?
#2245 [19:13] <g> yes
#2246 [19:13] <g> :P
#2247 [19:14] <Kealper> unplug it's ethernet cable and plug it back in
#2248 [19:14] <g> nergh
#2249 [19:14] <g> Do I have to? :P
#2250 [19:14] <Kealper> (i know it sounds dumb, but it will probably fix it)
#2251 [19:14] <g> ifyousayso
#2252 [19:14] <g> brb then
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#2254 [19:15] <DopeGhoti> You need to whirl the cable above your head first; there are stuck packets that you need to force out. (:
#2255 [19:15] <Kealper> ^
#2256 [19:15] <g> back
#2257 [19:15] <g> and lol
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#2259 [19:15] <Kealper> some drain cleaner works too, you can never have the tubes clean enough
#2260 [19:15] <g> Bouncer ftw
#2261 [19:16] <DopeGhoti> True Fact: When doing tech support for idiots who refused to reseat their Ethernet cables, I had a 90% success rate with "Maybe it's plugged in backwards; switch which end of the cable is plugged in where."
#2262 [19:16] <g> Nope
#2263 [19:16] <g> Same problem
#2264 [19:16] <Kealper> hmm
#2265 [19:16] <g> DopeGhoti: lol
#2266 [19:16] <Kealper> this seems to be something deeper than just a simple buffer issue
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#2268 [19:17] <g> You can check it yourself if you like
#2269 [19:17] <DopeGhoti> morning, noobidoo!
#2270 [19:17] <g> 109.78.71.207:9001
#2271 [19:17] <g> And no,
#2272 [19:17] <g> I'm not gonna steal your mppass
#2273 [19:17] <g> :P
#2274 [19:17] <g> wait a sec, idea
#2275 [19:18] <Kealper> stealing my session id doesn't hurt me, i only play on my own whitelisted server anyways lol
#2276 [19:18] <g> lol
#2277 [19:18] <AG_Scott> DopeGhoti, I have a friend who does internet support cablevision. I'm totally quoting you.
#2278 [19:18] <g> kay my "fix" didn't work :P
#2279 [19:18] <AG_Scott> at cablevision*
#2280 [19:18] <Kealper> and i religiously back that server up \o/
#2281 [19:19] <DopeGhoti> AG_Scott: feel free. good $DEITY do I ever have stories from BackInTheDayWhenIDidHelpDesk
#2282 [19:19] <Kealper> your server is broke, restart it three times
#2283 [19:19] <g> Kealper: http://i.imgur.com/6PKx3.png
#2284 [19:19] <g> lolwut
#2285 [19:19] <g> okay
#2286 [19:19] <g> Alright, try again :P
#2287 [19:20] <g> hm
#2288 [19:20] <g> http://i.imgur.com/N0Tpw.png
#2289 [19:20] <DopeGhoti> AG_Scott: frequent answer "Great, that fixed it! Why didn't anyone tell me which end mattered?" Also "I told you it was plugged in; I knew it was something else."
#2290 [19:20] <Kealper> it seems to be a transmit overflow
#2291 [19:20] <Kealper> it is doing it while trying to send me the map
#2292 [19:20] <Kealper> what all are you doing on your computer?
#2293 [19:20] * g scratches his head
#2293 [19:20] <g> Let's see here
#2294 [19:20] <AG_Scott> lolol
#2295 [19:20] <g> Firefox with around 10 tabs or so
#2296 [19:20] <g> IRC
#2297 [19:21] <Kealper> anything that would be uploading any data?
#2298 [19:21] <g> teamveiwer
#2299 [19:21] <g> dyndns
#2300 [19:21] <Kealper> any significant data, that is
#2301 [19:21] <g> windows update wants to install crap..
#2302 [19:21] <Kealper> is TV sitting idle?
#2303 [19:21] <g> yeah
#2304 [19:21] <g> I killed it anyway though
#2305 [19:21] <g> :P
#2306 [19:21] <Kealper> restart the computer
#2307 [19:21] <Kealper> three times
#2308 [19:22] <g> not restarting :P
#2309 [19:22] <Kealper> (dope will probably get that reference)
#2310 [19:22] <g> not right now at least
#2311 [19:22] <NinjaKirby> I finally implemented the RS NOR gate into a functioning application, woot, thanks guys :D
#2312 [19:22] <VoxelHead> i gotta go pig... i'll see you later
#2313 [19:22] <g> vox, be quiet
#2314 [19:22] <g> :P
#2315 [19:22] <VoxelHead> :(
#2316 [19:22] <Kealper> gotta go pig what >.>
#2317 [19:23] <g> Kealper: What's the rdp service called again?
#2318 [19:23] <g> I was using it earlier
#2319 [19:23] <Kealper> idk, but i doubt that would be it
#2320 [19:23] <DopeGhoti> g: Terminal Services or Remote Desktop Connection, depending on what flavor
#2321 [19:23] <DopeGhoti> g: also Remote Assistance
#2322 [19:24] <g> I think it's TC
#2323 [19:24] * g checks
#2323 [19:24] <DopeGhoti> (fucking Windows. Three names for one felgergarb service)
#2324 [19:24] <g> bah
#2325 [19:24] <g> I can't kill TC
#2326 [19:24] <g> lots of stuff needs that
#2327 [19:25] <g> Over 9000 svchost processes
#2328 [19:25] <Kealper> lol, i think that Terminal Services is like...one of the core windows logon sevices
#2329 [19:25] <DopeGhoti> ProTip: you can always start the service(s) back up again.
#2330 [19:25] <DopeGhoti> Kealper: No, it's not.
#2331 [19:25] <Kealper> oh, is it just for remote stuff?
#2332 [19:25] <DopeGhoti> yep.
#2333 [19:25] <g> alright
#2334 [19:25] <g> I just killed a shitton of stuff
#2335 [19:25] <g> let's try again :P
#2336 [19:25] <g> nup
#2337 [19:25] <Kealper> nein
#2338 [19:25] <g> damnit
#2339 [19:26] <g> killed RDC
#2340 [19:26] <g> once more, with feeling!
#2341 [19:26] <g> :P
#2342 [19:27] <Kealper> nope
#2343 [19:27] <g> goddamnit
#2344 [19:27] * g slaps Notch around a bit with a large trout.
#2344 [19:29] <g> rofl
#2345 [19:29] <Zemedelphos> Hey, quick question. How are you supposed to enter the block data, say for a wool block, to get a specific collor?
#2346 [19:29] <Zemedelphos> color*
#2347 [19:29] <g> It continues to send stuff
#2348 [19:30] <VoxelHead> i had no idea
#2349 [19:30] <g> even after the player has disconnected
#2350 [19:30] <Kealper> lol
#2351 [19:30] <g> It's still uploading at 5kbps apparently :P
#2352 [19:30] <Kealper> Zemedelphos: they are an item state of the white cloth ID
#2353 [19:30] <g> Damage value of the white cloth, yes
#2354 [19:30] <Zemedelphos> Right, but I'm trying to /give a specific color.
#2355 [19:31] <Zemedelphos> Wool is 35, but how do I get, say, red wool?
#2356 [19:31] <Kealper> you can't
#2357 [19:31] <VoxelHead> thank you... i love you.
#2358 [19:31] <g> vox, be quiet
#2359 [19:31] <VoxelHead> bah
#2360 [19:31] <Zemedelphos> Oh.
#2361 [19:31] <Zemedelphos> That sucks.
#2362 [19:31] <Kealper> indeed
#2363 [19:32] <g> well
#2364 [19:32] <g> you can't say that isn't useful
#2365 [19:32] <g> http://i.imgur.com/B8oE0.png
#2366 [19:32] * g hugs Windows Resource Monitor
#2366 [19:32] <Kealper> O.o
#2367 [19:33] <Kealper> what is useful about it? it is just saying what you already know :/
#2368 [19:33] <g> it lists all the processes listening on ports
#2369 [19:33] <Kealper> oh, yeah lol
#2370 [19:33] <g> that's incredibly useful :P
#2371 [19:33] <Kealper> the Resource Monitor is quite epic
#2372 [19:34] <g> also quite nice
#2373 [19:34] <g> http://i.imgur.com/aCPbR.png
#2374 [19:35] <Kealper> lol
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#2376 [19:36] <g> inb4WheatleygetsghostedbyiKJames
#2377 [19:36] <g> oh, he let it drop
#2378 [19:36] <g> never mind :P
#2379 [19:36] <Kealper> Wheatley suchs
#2380 [19:36] <Kealper> sucks*
#2381 [19:36] * Wheatley r derp
#2381 [19:37] <Kealper> you were just made to make stupid descisions!
#2382 [19:37] <Wheatley> Why would I get ghosted?
#2383 [19:38] <g> You don't know iKJames, clearly :P
#2384 [19:38] <Wheatley> I hope he doesn't guess that my password is AAAAA
#2385 [19:39] <Wheatley> oh shi-
#2386 [19:39] <g> lul
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#2388 [19:40] <mib_m23d9m> hey guys..
#2389 [19:40] <Kealper> hi
#2390 [19:40] <Kealper> brb switching computers
#2391 [19:40] <mib_m23d9m> anyone know how i run minecraft in ubuntu with more memory? i use java -jar minecraft.jar and it crashes a lot
#2392 [19:41] <oldtopman> mib_m23d9m: Have you tried the command listed on minecraft.net?
#2393 [19:41] <DopeGhoti> if it's crashing a lot, it's probably not due to not having enough RAM if you are using the launcher with no extra paramaters.
#2394 [19:41] <mib_m23d9m> its not in help or faq
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#2396 [19:42] <DopeGhoti> There are probably other issues at hand.
#2397 [19:42] <DopeGhoti> Are you using OpenJDK or sun-java6-jre?
#2398 [19:42] <wheybags> mib_m23d9m: 1 sec
#2399 [19:42] <mib_m23d9m> sun-java
#2400 [19:42] <wheybags> java -Xmx1024M -Xms1024M -jar minecraft_server.jar nogui
#2401 [19:42] <DopeGhoti> 1.6; not 1.7, yes?
#2402 [19:42] <wheybags> from the minecraft dl page
#2403 [19:42] <wheybags> :O
#2404 [19:42] <wheybags> wait
#2405 [19:42] <mib_m23d9m> zans minimap crashes it too but it still dies without it on
#2406 [19:42] <VoxelHead> Well slap my ass and call me a pissy-drawer.
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#2408 [19:42] <DopeGhoti> wheybags: he's talking about the client, not the server.
#2409 [19:42] <wheybags> java -Xmx1024M -Xms512M -cp Minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame
#2410 [19:42] <wheybags> this
#2411 [19:42] <DopeGhoti> ah.
#2412 [19:43] <DopeGhoti> mods.
#2413 [19:43] <mib_m23d9m> yeah im not loggedin that might be why i cant see that link
#2414 [19:43] <wheybags> copypastad the worng one :P
#2415 [19:43] <mib_m23d9m> thanks
#2416 [19:43] <DopeGhoti> try without the mods. If no more crashes, the mods are broken.
#2417 [19:43] <mib_m23d9m> yeah the mod has a problem, but it crashes without them anyway
#2418 [19:44] <mib_m23d9m> ill try this, thanks
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#2424 [19:54] <WEEGRO> how can i talk in #minecraft
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#2426 [19:55] <bluejello> use /topic for information in the minecraft channel
#2427 [19:55] <bluejello> or use Register your nickname to talk. /msg NickServ HELP REGISTER
#2428 [19:59] <DopeGhoti> ??>> WEEGRO irc
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#2434 [20:47] <Razorflame> Is it a known SMP bug to have the "on fire" animation play when you have your back up against a stack of Obsidian two blocks high with lava underneath?
#2435 [20:48] <NinjaKirby> Mah boi, this is what all true warriors strive for!
#2436 [20:49] <Razorflame> :o
#2437 [20:49] <VoxelHead> *^$%percent*�^%percent#~^^@�
#2438 [20:49] <Razorflame> Vox: What was that?
#2439 [20:49] <VoxelHead> Cold.
#2440 [20:50] <Razorflame> :o
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#2442 [20:50] <VoxelHead> well slap my finger and call me VoxelHead
#2443 [20:50] <NinjaKirby> lol wtf just happened, he parted
#2444 [20:50] <NinjaKirby> Voxel, you disturb me sometimes
#2445 [20:52] <DopeGhoti> vox, give NinjaKirby a great disturbance.
#2446 [20:52] * VoxelHead gives NinjaKirby a great disturbance.
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#2448 [20:58] <NinjaKirby> Damn you Dope ¬_¬
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#2454 [21:19] <Orbitoid> Hello again
#2455 [21:19] <DopeGhoti> morning
#2456 [21:19] <Orbitoid> I'm in serious need of some help. I still cannot get minecraft server to run for more than a few mins
#2457 [21:19] <Orbitoid> it just stops working
#2458 [21:19] <Orbitoid> I will start from the start incase i have missed anything or done anything stupid
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#2460 [21:20] <Orbitoid> I'm running Ubuntu on a VPS
#2461 [21:20] <Orbitoid> all cli so no GUI for me
#2462 [21:21] <Orbitoid> When i run java -version it tells me that i have "java version "1.6.0_22""
#2463 [21:21] <DopeGhoti> okay
#2464 [21:21] <DopeGhoti> and have you any console output before the server stops working?
#2465 [21:21] <Orbitoid> i installed this by going "sudo apt-get install apt-get install sun-java6-jre
#2466 [21:21] <Orbitoid> yeah
#2467 [21:21] <DopeGhoti> which is?
#2468 [21:21] <Orbitoid> it just says all the usual stuff about it loading
#2469 [21:22] <DopeGhoti> that kind of tells you why the server is stopping
#2470 [21:22] <Orbitoid> it gets to: [INFO] Done (515588000ns)! For help, type "help" or "?"
#2471 [21:22] <Orbitoid> and then it stays there for a little bit
#2472 [21:22] <DopeGhoti> say right, and at that point the server is up and running
#2473 [21:22] <Orbitoid> yes
#2474 [21:22] <Orbitoid> and i can connect to it
#2475 [21:22] <Orbitoid> and it works fine
#2476 [21:22] <Orbitoid> but then
#2477 [21:22] <DopeGhoti> say what output do you get when it unexpectly is stopping?
#2478 [21:22] <Orbitoid> about 2-3 mins later it just goes back to the cli
#2479 [21:22] <Orbitoid> nothing
#2480 [21:22] <DopeGhoti> it should say something as it does so
#2481 [21:22] <Orbitoid> nope
#2482 [21:23] <Orbitoid> just straight back to the cli
#2483 [21:23] <DopeGhoti> interesting.
#2484 [21:23] <DopeGhoti> how much RAM in this server?
#2485 [21:23] <Orbitoid> last two lines:
#2486 [21:23] <Orbitoid> 2011-04-29 05:12:44 [INFO] Done (515588000ns)! For help, type "help" or "?"
#2487 [21:23] <Orbitoid> Minecraft1:/home/minecraft/minecraftnomods#
#2488 [21:23] <Orbitoid> it has 4GB of RAM
#2489 [21:23] <Orbitoid> the command i used to run minecraft was:
#2490 [21:23] <Orbitoid> java -Xms2G -Xmx2G -jar minecraft_server.jar nogui
#2491 [21:24] <DopeGhoti> okay, and when you run java -version does it tell you you're running the Sun JRE, or OpenJDK?
#2492 [21:24] <DopeGhoti> if the latter, `sudo update-alternatives --config java`
#2493 [21:24] <Orbitoid> java version "1.6.0_22"
#2494 [21:24] <Orbitoid> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_22-b04)
#2495 [21:24] <Orbitoid> Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 17.1-b03, mixed mode)
#2496 [21:25] <Orbitoid> update-alternatives --config java
#2497 [21:25] <DopeGhoti> okay, that looks good.
#2498 [21:26] <DopeGhoti> it's very ususual that it's doing what you say it's doing; the server should tell you why it's shutting down, especially if it's erroneously so.
#2499 [21:26] <DopeGhoti> try prefixing the 'java' command with which you are starting the server with 'strace'
#2500 [21:28] <Orbitoid> so what would the command look like?
#2501 [21:29] <DopeGhoti> strace java -Xms2G -Xmx2G -jar minecraft_server.jar nogui
#2502 [21:29] <DopeGhoti> (also.. are you running any mods whatsowver?)
#2503 [21:29] <Orbitoid> nope fresh download
#2504 [21:29] <Orbitoid> strace: command not found
#2505 [21:29] <DopeGhoti> wonderful
#2506 [21:29] <DopeGhoti> gmmm
#2507 [21:29] <DopeGhoti> and also hmmm
#2508 [21:30] <DopeGhoti> try with just 1G instead of 2G
#2509 [21:30] <Orbitoid> wait i can download it if its a program
#2510 [21:30] <Orbitoid> kk
#2511 [21:31] <Orbitoid> i can do the strace thing now
#2512 [21:33] <Orbitoid> how do i get the output of the strace command to a txt file?
#2513 [21:33] <Orbitoid> that will make it easier to put into a pastebin if you want to read through it
#2514 [21:36] <Orbitoid> alright i just ran it with 1G of ram instead of 2 and i'll let you know if it crashes again
#2515 [21:36] <DopeGhoti> k
#2516 [21:36] <DopeGhoti> I'll be slow answering, 'cause I'm going home now. (:
#2517 [21:39] <AkiTensai> Is there a batch command to tell Java/MC to ignore the second monitor?
#2518 [21:40] <Orbitoid> dopeghoti: just thinking about it. i have been telling MC to use 2G of ram when i 2G of RAM total (garunteed) for this VPS. It says that i have 4GB burstable but maybe that is why it keeps crashing
#2519 [21:40] <Orbitoid> dopeghoti: i'll be interested to see if using 1GB fixes this
#2520 [21:40] <Orbitoid> it wont be enough ram for what i want but it will be interesting
#2521 [21:42] <Orbitoid> dopeghoti: :( didnt work. it just did the same thing
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#2523 [21:43] <MLoeven> does anyone know if peacefull mode also removes mobs from the nether
#2524 [21:46] <bluejello> yes, I think it does, it removes ghasts at least.
#2525 [21:48] <LordTrevor> As of 1.4 it removed zombie pigmen also
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#2527 [21:50] <mib_q7spzc> the rules page isn't loading
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#2529 [21:51] <VoxelHead> i wish they didn't have to go :O
#2530 [21:54] <Orbitoid> dopeghoti: i just had a wonderful idea. i havent restarted this vps since i purchased it. i have been stuffing around with java for a while now too (uninstalling and reinstalling it constantly for the last 2 days) maybe i should restart it?
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#2532 [21:56] <Orbitoid> This time it gave me a message before it stopped!
#2533 [21:56] <Orbitoid> 05:52:32 [INFO] Done (0.102s)! For help, type "help" or "?"
#2534 [21:56] <Orbitoid> 05:55:01 [INFO] Stopping server
#2535 [21:56] <Orbitoid> 05:55:01 [INFO] Saving chunks
#2536 [21:56] <mib_mmq2tl> for some reason i just got my minecraft account and when i try to play it says not downloaded.
#2537 [21:56] <mib_mmq2tl> hello?
#2538 [21:57] <aetherian> bonjour
#2539 [21:57] <Orbitoid> mib_mmq2tl: hi
#2540 [21:57] <mib_mmq2tl> i need help
#2541 [21:57] <aetherian> ??> mib_mmq2tl ask
#2542 [21:57] <VoxelHead> mib_mmq2tl: (ask) Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help, and be as specific as possible.
#2543 [21:57] <aetherian> :D
#2544 [21:57] <VoxelHead> mib_mmq2tl: (ask) If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#2545 [21:57] <VoxelHead> =D
#2546 [21:57] <mib_mmq2tl> for some reason i just got my minecraft account and when i try to play it says not downloaded
#2547 [21:57] <aetherian> have you paid?
#2548 [21:57] <mib_mmq2tl> yes
#2549 [21:57] <VoxelHead> amsterdam
#2550 [21:58] <aetherian> ^ so true :o
#2551 [21:58] <aetherian> anyway
#2552 [21:58] <oldtopman> mib_mmq2tl: Why are you trying to play it offline?
#2553 [21:58] <mib_mmq2tl> ???
#2554 [21:58] <bluejello> perhaps he is behind a proxy
#2555 [21:58] <bluejello> or something.
#2556 [21:58] <mib_mmq2tl> idk
#2557 [21:58] <aetherian> um
#2558 [21:58] <mib_mmq2tl> Im doing it to be able to play zombiecraft
#2559 [21:59] <aetherian> I would attempt to play it in browser first, then.
#2560 [21:59] <bluejello> are you using the browser version or the donwloadable one?
#2561 [21:59] <mib_mmq2tl> download
#2562 [21:59] <AkiTensai> MLoeven: Peaceful is peaceful all over, including Nether.
#2563 [21:59] <bluejello> try in browser then.
#2564 [21:59] <mib_mmq2tl> ok
#2565 [21:59] <aetherian> like I said...
#2566 [22:00] <mib_mmq2tl> hold on
#2567 [22:00] <VoxelHead> mmm acky
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#2569 [22:02] <mib_mmq2tl> wait i go back to the page after i buys and say i need to wait an hour so do i do this?
#2570 [22:02] <mib_mmq2tl> should i type out what is says
#2571 [22:04] <mib_mmq2tl> Thank you for purchasing Minecraft, your status should update within the hour. So do i wait so that it will activate?
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#2573 [22:04] <mib_mmq2tl> hello?
#2574 [22:05] <mib_mmq2tl> hello?
#2575 [22:05] <oldtopman> olleh
#2576 [22:06] <oldtopman> mib_mmq2tl: Yeah, you are gonna have to wait just a little while as the auth server changes to say that you paid.
#2577 [22:06] <mib_mmq2tl> can anyone answer my qustion?
#2578 [22:06] <mib_mmq2tl> oh ol
#2579 [22:06] <mib_mmq2tl> ok
#2580 [22:07] <mib_mmq2tl> ty
#2581 [22:08] <Wahrheit> xales: save yourself some time http://getsatisfaction.com/mojang/topics/make_urls_automatically_colored_and_clickable_or_let_us_do_it
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#2584 [22:22] <bokaholic> So how come I go to buy a gift code for Minecraft and it always gives me a transaction error?
#2585 [22:23] <genshou> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y226Lr7m5L8 :O I want to build this
#2586 [22:24] <bokaholic> Ugh.. Every time.. x.x
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#2588 [22:26] <DarkTomas> Hello guay
#2589 [22:26] <DarkTomas> guys*
#2590 [22:27] <DarkTomas> My question is can i make an additional rank on the beta server software from notch
#2591 [22:27] <DarkTomas> i dont want bukkit....
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#2594 [22:33] <Core> HEy im running my server off hamachi, is this ideal or is there a better program for it?
#2595 [22:34] <DarkTomas> ?
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#2597 [22:34] <DarkTomas> hamachi is only an programm thats emulates a network
#2598 [22:34] <DarkTomas> u host the server on your pc?
#2599 [22:35] <Core> yeah, im using the ip and stuff from hamachi though
#2600 [22:35] <GreyVulpine> DarkTomas - Not without modding your server
#2601 [22:35] <Wahrheit> Is there an expiration to how long you're able to edit a getsatisfaction post?
#2602 [22:35] <GreyVulpine> Core - It's much better if you look into port forwarding
#2603 [22:35] <Core> mmk
#2604 [22:36] <DarkTomas> @GreyVulpine can i modd the original server software
#2605 [22:37] <GreyVulpine> Basically, you're better off with bukkit, since all the work's been done for you
#2606 [22:37] <DarkTomas> i ask because i want to make 2-3 people able to make day but dont give admin
#2607 [22:37] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, that's not possible with the vanilla server software
#2608 [22:37] <DarkTomas> hm ok than i live without ^^
#2609 [22:37] <DarkTomas> thank you
#2610 [22:38] <GreyVulpine> Sure thing
#2611 [22:39] <Wahrheit> Is there an expiration to how long you're able to edit a getsatisfaction post?
#2612 [22:40] <GreyVulpine> Not sure.
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#2615 [22:45] <GalionKnight> Hey, anybody feel like helping me out?
#2616 [22:46] <oldtopman> ??> GalionKnight ask
#2617 [22:46] <VoxelHead> GalionKnight: (ask) Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help, and be as specific as possible.
#2618 [22:46] <VoxelHead> GalionKnight: (ask) If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#2619 [22:46] <lemon-rev> please do not be like that
#2620 [22:46] <GalionKnight> Okay
#2621 [22:46] <GalionKnight> http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=318878
#2622 [22:46] <lemon-rev> ?
#2623 [22:46] <GalionKnight> That is my problem.
#2624 [22:47] <GalionKnight> I don't wanna spam with an error message.
#2625 [22:47] <GalionKnight> So I posted a link to the thread I posted.
#2626 [22:47] <lemon-rev> ok so what have you tryed in ways of installing mc again ?
#2627 [22:47] <oldtopman> Hmm
#2628 [22:47] <GalionKnight> Well
#2629 [22:47] <oldtopman> ??> GalionKnight win/reinst
#2630 [22:47] <VoxelHead> GalionKnight: (win/reinst) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#2631 [22:47] <VoxelHead> GalionKnight: (win/reinst) To do so, press your Windows+R keys, type in %AppData% at the run command, and press Enter. In the window that appears, open the .minecraft directory, and delete the bin directory that you see therein. Then, try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
#2632 [22:47] <GalionKnight> I know
#2633 [22:48] <GalionKnight> Did you notice I posted that I did that?
#2634 [22:48] <GalionKnight> "Well, whenever I go to load minecraft, it goes to a white screen after loading java and displaying that ugly Error: Click here for Details" message. I have tried Opera, Google Chrome, and Internet Explorer. I also tried running the downloadable client. I have deleted my .minecraft folder
#2635 [22:48] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, are you running the classic or beta version?
#2636 [22:49] <GreyVulpine> Did you pay for minecraft, or are you using the free classic creative version of minecraft?
#2637 [22:49] <GalionKnight> Got the same error with both of them.
#2638 [22:49] <GalionKnight> I bought it.
#2639 [22:49] <oldtopman> GalionKnight: No I did not.
#2640 [22:49] <GalionKnight> ...
#2641 [22:49] <GalionKnight> I bought the game -_-
#2642 [22:50] <lemon-rev> ok, so have you reinstalled java ?
#2643 [22:50] <GalionKnight> I'll try it again
#2644 [22:50] <lemon-rev> have you deleted /bin dir in app data
#2645 [22:50] <GalionKnight> Well
#2646 [22:50] <GalionKnight> The .minecraft folder is empty
#2647 [22:50] <GalionKnight> All it gets past is loading java.
#2648 [22:50] <GalionKnight> Nothing else really
#2649 [22:51] <lemon-rev> hm
#2650 [22:51] <GreyVulpine> GalionKnight - This error's obviously what you get with doing the browser version, have you tried the downloaded version in the command promtp
#2651 [22:51] <GreyVulpine> prompt*
#2652 [22:51] <GalionKnight> I used several different browsers
#2653 [22:51] <GalionKnight> I have tried Opera, Google Chrome, and Internet Explorer
#2654 [22:51] <GreyVulpine> You said you used the downloaded client as well, right?
#2655 [22:51] <GalionKnight> Yes
#2656 [22:51] <GreyVulpine> What's the exact error you get with the downloaded client?
#2657 [22:51] <GreyVulpine> What happens
#2658 [22:52] <GalionKnight> The client won't even load
#2659 [22:52] <GalionKnight> The downloaded one
#2660 [22:52] <GreyVulpine> Do you know how to launch it in the command line?
#2661 [22:52] <GalionKnight> Nope
#2662 [22:52] <GreyVulpine> Windows, correct?
#2663 [22:52] <GalionKnight> Yup
#2664 [22:52] <GalionKnight> Windows XP Home Edition 32-bit
#2665 [22:52] <lemon-rev> thanks grey
#2666 [22:52] <GreyVulpine> Where did you download the client to?
#2667 [22:52] <GalionKnight> My desktop
#2668 [22:53] <lemon-rev> wired
#2669 [22:53] <GreyVulpine> Could you press the windows+R key on your keyboard to bring up the run command
#2670 [22:53] <GreyVulpine> At the run command, type in: cmd
#2671 [22:53] <GreyVulpine> Press enter, that'll bring up a black command prompt
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#2673 [22:53] <GreyVulpine> •dolseni• cd desktop
#2674 [22:53] <GreyVulpine> er
#2675 [22:53] <GreyVulpine> do: cd desktop
#2676 [22:53] <GalionKnight> done
#2677 [22:53] <GreyVulpine> Okay, now: minecraft.exe
#2678 [22:54] <GreyVulpine> Let me know if you see any errors there
#2679 [22:54] <GalionKnight> oops
#2680 [22:54] <VoxelHead> doing it right: you're doing it wrong
#2681 [22:54] <GalionKnight> gotta redownload client real quick
#2682 [22:55] <GalionKnight> Hmmm
#2683 [22:55] <GalionKnight> It ain't work
#2684 [22:55] <GreyVulpine> What's the error you get?
#2685 [22:55] <GalionKnight> It just won't load
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#2687 [22:55] <GalionKnight> Does minecraft use directx in any way?
#2688 [22:55] <lemon-rev> what you see when it trys to load
#2689 [22:55] <GreyVulpine> Does the command prompt spit back out anything?
#2690 [22:55] <GalionKnight> Nothing
#2691 [22:56] <GalionKnight> It does not load period
#2692 [22:56] <GalionKnight> Like a crash with no error message
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#2694 [22:56] <lemon-rev> what sorta graphics card you got ? just out of interest
#2695 [22:56] <GreyVulpine> How much RAM do you have on the system?
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#2697 [22:56] <GalionKnight> lemme check
#2698 [22:56] <GalionKnight> ummm
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#2700 [22:56] <DarkTomas> people on my server have lost items at an server crash can i see which items?
#2701 [22:56] <DarkTomas> in an log or so?
#2702 [22:56] <GreyVulpine> DarkTomas - Nope
#2703 [22:57] <DarkTomas> Damn
#2704 [22:57] <lemon-rev> darktomas no
#2705 [22:57] <DarkTomas> thanks
#2706 [22:57] <DarkTomas> is vanilla or bukkit better for the server i mean ressource performance
#2707 [22:58] <GreyVulpine> Depends on your needs
#2708 [22:58] <GreyVulpine> If you need extended commands, or features that aren't available in vanilla, you use bukkit
#2709 [22:58] <GreyVulpine> It really isn't a matter of resource usage.
#2710 [22:59] <DarkTomas> hm ok
#2711 [22:59] <GalionKnight> My graphics card is the all crappy: Integrated ATI RADEON XPRESS 200
#2712 [23:00] <GreyVulpine> GalionKnight - And RAM?
#2713 [23:01] <GalionKnight> 564 mb
#2714 [23:01] <GreyVulpine> Total?
#2715 [23:01] <GalionKnight> 564 mb total
#2716 [23:01] <GalionKnight> ram
#2717 [23:01] <GreyVulpine> Oh geez, that would be why it's not launching
#2718 [23:01] <GalionKnight> Trust me.
#2719 [23:01] <GalionKnight> That ain't the problem
#2720 [23:01] <GreyVulpine> Minecraft reserves a minimum of 512megs of ram at start
#2721 [23:01] <GalionKnight> Oh
#2722 [23:01] <GreyVulpine> Trust me, I know it is
#2723 [23:02] <GalionKnight> Oooohh, now I understand
#2724 [23:02] <GreyVulpine> Could you please download the minecraft.jar file from the website
#2725 [23:02] <GreyVulpine> put it on your desktop
#2726 [23:02] <GalionKnight> When I download, it is a .exe
#2727 [23:02] <GalionKnight> Where to download .jar?
#2728 [23:02] <GreyVulpine> There's a .jar file available
#2729 [23:02] <GreyVulpine> minecraft.net/download.asp
#2730 [23:02] <GalionKnight> Linux version
#2731 [23:03] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#2732 [23:03] <GalionKnight> That was the only .jar I saw
#2733 [23:03] <GreyVulpine> Download that.
#2734 [23:03] <GalionKnight> Done
#2735 [23:03] <GalionKnight> Truthfully
#2736 [23:03] <GalionKnight> As long as I can load the game
#2737 [23:03] <GalionKnight> I can make it run
#2738 [23:03] <GreyVulpine> Now, open up the command prompt again
#2739 [23:03] <GalionKnight> Okay
#2740 [23:04] <GalionKnight> So what next?
#2741 [23:04] <GreyVulpine> use cd desktop
#2742 [23:04] <GreyVulpine> then, use this command
#2743 [23:04] <GreyVulpine> java -Xmx128M -Xms128M -cp Minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame
#2744 [23:04] <GalionKnight> Oh yah
#2745 [23:05] <GalionKnight> I can make a batch file for that instead
#2746 [23:05] <GreyVulpine> That'll launch it with 128 megs reserved.
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#2748 [23:05] <GreyVulpine> Yeah
#2749 [23:05] <DarkTomas> @GreyVulpine can i edit the commands of the ranks that are in beta software?
#2750 [23:05] <VoxelHead> it wasn't me
#2751 [23:05] <GalionKnight> Ima do it real quick
#2752 [23:05] <GreyVulpine> There are no ranks in beta server
#2753 [23:05] <GreyVulpine> You're either a regular person, or an op
#2754 [23:05] <GreyVulpine> There's no in-between
#2755 [23:05] <DarkTomas> yes that im mean^^
#2756 [23:05] <DarkTomas> i dont want new commands
#2757 [23:06] <DarkTomas> only give an regular an command more
#2758 [23:06] <GreyVulpine> Only way to do that right now, is to mod the server
#2759 [23:06] <GalionKnight> Oh crap I'm stupid
#2760 [23:06] <Grognor> okay, so, the official #minecraft rules say not to discuss mods at all ever period done. I was wondering if that applies to this channel as well, since I can't get a particular one to work
#2761 [23:06] <GalionKnight> What would I put in to load minecraft.jar like that?
#2762 [23:06] <GreyVulpine> You can discuss mods here if you wish, just know that it's very hard to provide support for all types and combinations of mods..
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#2764 [23:07] <Grognor> just optimine
#2765 [23:07] <GreyVulpine> We'll usually point you in the right direction for help with that
#2766 [23:07] <SupBros> Hey sup
#2767 [23:07] <SupBros> someone wanna halp me
#2768 [23:07] <GreyVulpine> Then you'll want to hit up #risucraft Grognor
#2769 [23:07] <SupBros> i heard this was the place to go for help
#2770 [23:07] <Grognor> argh so much rule reading
#2771 [23:07] <GreyVulpine> Indeed it is
#2772 [23:07] <SupBros> Ok so yeah
#2773 [23:07] <SupBros> just got minecraft
#2774 [23:07] <Cyberstorm[Work]> Hello GreyVulpine!
#2775 [23:07] <GreyVulpine> GalionKnight - I gave you the launch line... it's:
#2776 [23:07] <GalionKnight> real quick
#2777 [23:07] <GreyVulpine> java -Xmx128M -Xms128M -cp Minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame
#2778 [23:08] * GreyVulpine waves to Cyberstorm[Work]
#2778 [23:08] <GalionKnight> Yah, it ain't working on the batch file sadly
#2779 [23:08] <SupBros> Uhhh
#2780 [23:08] <GreyVulpine> Do you have the batch file in the same place as the .jar?
#2781 [23:08] <SupBros> all of my blocks are invisible when i start the game
#2782 [23:08] <GalionKnight> Yes
#2783 [23:08] <SupBros> any suggestions
#2784 [23:08] <GreyVulpine> SupBros - Running any texture packs?
#2785 [23:08] <SupBros> Yes
#2786 [23:08] <GreyVulpine> Perhaps the texture pack isn't updated yet?
#2787 [23:08] <GreyVulpine> Could you switch back to default?
#2788 [23:08] <SupBros> One sec, i just put it on
#2789 [23:08] <SupBros> ill restart
#2790 [23:09] <SupBros> see if it works now
#2791 [23:09] <SupBros> o ok
#2792 [23:09] <SupBros> Im also using the painterlypack
#2793 [23:10] <SupBros> ill take a pic of whats wrong
#2794 [23:10] <GreyVulpine> SupBros - Can you switch back to default, see if the blocks are still invisible?
#2795 [23:11] <SupBros> Uhh yeah, the default is also invis
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#2797 [23:11] <SupBros> thats why i got the painterly pack
#2798 [23:11] <SupBros> I had the bad video card message
#2799 [23:11] <SupBros> but i replaced my opengl32
#2800 [23:11] <SupBros> and that fixed that
#2801 [23:11] <VoxelHead> watch out for the moose
#2802 [23:11] <SupBros> http://i51.tinypic.com/xfu88g.png
#2803 [23:11] <SupBros> Thats what i see ^
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#2805 [23:11] <SupBros> just blank
#2806 [23:12] <GreyVulpine> What in the...
#2807 [23:12] <SupBros> yeah im not too sure either
#2808 [23:12] <SupBros> i can walk and stuff
#2809 [23:12] <SupBros> but i usually run into water
#2810 [23:12] <SupBros> and die
#2811 [23:12] <SupBros> :x
#2812 [23:13] <SupBros> Any suggestions or should i just give up
#2813 [23:13] <GalionKnight> My new error: exception in thread main java.lang.exceptionininitializererror
#2814 [23:13] <GreyVulpine> GalionKnight - Could you pastebin.com the error?
#2815 [23:13] <GalionKnight> Yes
#2816 [23:14] <GalionKnight> I wish i could copy paste things from command prompt
#2817 [23:15] <GreyVulpine> You can, right click on the window, select "mark"
#2818 [23:15] <SupBros> Poop.
#2819 [23:15] <GreyVulpine> click and drag the selection you want, right click again
#2820 [23:15] <VoxelHead> Pooooooooooooooooop.
#2821 [23:15] <GreyVulpine> Then you can paste it anywhere you want
#2822 [23:15] <GalionKnight> It is litteraly in command prompt
#2823 [23:15] <GalionKnight> Not a txt doc or something
#2824 [23:15] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#2825 [23:15] <GalionKnight> I can't copy paste it
#2826 [23:16] <GalionKnight> I'ma screenshot it
#2827 [23:16] <SupBros> hey grey
#2828 [23:16] <GreyVulpine> SupBros - Yeah
#2829 [23:16] <SupBros> IM DYIN OVER HERE
#2830 [23:16] <GreyVulpine> I honestly don't know, have you updated your video drivers?
#2831 [23:16] <SupBros> uhhhhh
#2832 [23:16] <SupBros> it says its as updated as possible
#2833 [23:17] <SupBros> but this computer is pretty old
#2834 [23:17] <GreyVulpine> From where did you update it
#2835 [23:17] <SupBros> 3 year laptop
#2836 [23:17] <GalionKnight> I'm sending you the screenshot
#2837 [23:17] <SupBros> uhh
#2838 [23:17] <SupBros> i went to device manager
#2839 [23:17] <SupBros> display adapters
#2840 [23:17] <SupBros> right clicked properties
#2841 [23:17] <SupBros> update drivers
#2842 [23:17] <SupBros> search online
#2843 [23:17] <SupBros> UPDATED AS POSSIBLEEE!
#2844 [23:18] <GreyVulpine> Usually not the best way to look for updated drivers
#2845 [23:18] <SupBros> o
#2846 [23:18] <SupBros> whats your advice
#2847 [23:18] <GreyVulpine> Could you please give me this:
#2848 [23:18] <GreyVulpine> ?? win/dxdiag
#2849 [23:18] <VoxelHead> win/dxdiag: Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "save log" file and save it to your desktop.
#2850 [23:18] <VoxelHead> win/dxdiag: Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link you are sent to, and paste it here.
#2851 [23:20] <SupBros> http://pastebin.com/tA23RJr4
#2852 [23:20] <SupBros> here ya go vox
#2853 [23:20] <GalionKnight> oops, was trying to send it to the wrong person before
#2854 [23:20] <SupBros> and grey
#2855 [23:20] <xales> SupBros: VoxelHead is a bot. ._.
#2856 [23:20] <SupBros> o
#2857 [23:20] <xales> And wow
#2858 [23:21] <SupBros> feelin pretty stupid
#2859 [23:21] <xales> Your computer won't be able to run Minecraft...not even close
#2860 [23:21] <SupBros> dear god
#2861 [23:21] <GreyVulpine> GalionKnight - Please use imgur.com to upload a screenshot
#2862 [23:21] <SupBros> y not
#2863 [23:21] <GalionKnight> Okay
#2864 [23:21] <xales> "Why not" is what you mean. This is not a text message ._.
#2865 [23:21] <GreyVulpine> xales, check out the screenshot
#2866 [23:21] <GreyVulpine> <SupBros> http://i51.tinypic.com/xfu88g.png
#2867 [23:21] <xales> And the problem is with your graphics card
#2868 [23:21] <GreyVulpine> I haven't seen that before at all
#2869 [23:21] <xales> It's....extremely old
#2870 [23:22] <SupBros> Well poop.
#2871 [23:22] <xales> GreyVulpine: I think Card name: Mobile Intel(R) 45 Express Chipset Family (Microsoft Corporation - WDDM 1.1) is a good explanation for that
#2872 [23:22] <GreyVulpine> Oh boy
#2873 [23:22] <GalionKnight> http://i.imgur.com/gw6xq.png
#2874 [23:22] <SupBros> uhh xales
#2875 [23:22] <SupBros> what do you suggest that doesnt cost me a new computer
#2876 [23:23] <xales> There's really nothing you can do that doesn't involve getting a new computer
#2877 [23:23] <SupBros> Just curious
#2878 [23:23] <GreyVulpine> Weird.. it's giving an SSL error.
#2879 [23:23] <xales> You could try getting a new graphics card, provided it's not a laptop, but even then, it would run pretty poorly, and cards that would work with your system aren't even made any more
#2880 [23:23] <SupBros> but i can play sims 3(And other games) Just fine. Minecraft is a bunch of blocks, and i need a new graphics card to run it?
#2881 [23:23] <xales> GreyVulpine: It's missing CA certs, or so it indicates, which sounds to me like a broken Windows install
#2882 [23:24] <xales> ?? requirements
#2883 [23:24] <VoxelHead> requirements: Minecraft is a modern game, with modern requirements. It is also still under active development, so the code is by no means optimized (what do you expect? It's in beta!). As such, you will not be able to reasonably expect the game to run on a system with less than 1.5GiB of RAM- the game itself allocates 1GB at startup. You will also need a somewhat modern video card and relatively fast CPU.
#2884 [23:24] <xales> SupBros: Minecraft is far more graphics intensive then most other games
#2885 [23:24] <SupBros> I see
#2886 [23:24] <SupBros> Well
#2887 [23:24] <GalionKnight> Stupid mc
#2888 [23:25] <lemon-rev> gallionknight not really
#2889 [23:25] <GalionKnight> I have another computer that runs mc just fine
#2890 [23:25] <GalionKnight> sometimes
#2891 [23:25] <GalionKnight> *always
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#2893 [23:25] <GalionKnight> I'ma bout to go on it. I wanted to get this one working so I could play it with my brother
#2894 [23:26] <GalionKnight> Now I am getting an ssl error
#2895 [23:26] <Grognor> the people in #risucraft have ignored me utterly consistently so far
#2896 [23:26] <SupBros> Xales, what if i told you it ran before i updated it to win7
#2897 [23:26] <SupBros> I honestly dont think its my graphics card just win7
#2898 [23:26] <GalionKnight> win7 is crap
#2899 [23:26] <GalionKnight> Very buggy
#2900 [23:26] <xales> SupBros: No, I can guarantee it's your graphics card
#2901 [23:26] <xales> GalionKnight: It's been fine lately
#2902 [23:26] <GalionKnight> I want 64-bit XP pro on my good pc
#2903 [23:27] <SupBros> So if i downgraded back to XP, it would still be a no go?
#2904 [23:27] <xales> SupBros: People with much newer cards can't get it to run. Your video card probably lacks a proper driver for 7, and even before then, was running it like garbage if at all
#2905 [23:27] <Grognor> I can't tell what is causing the blackscreen!
#2906 [23:27] <xales> Grognor: Don't use mods, then?
#2907 [23:27] <Grognor> I can't figure out how to figure out what's causing the blackscreen!
#2908 [23:27] <GalionKnight> I'ma go computer hop now
#2909 [23:27] <GalionKnight> since my brother is off
#2910 [23:27] <Grognor> the only mod I want to use is optimine
#2911 [23:27] <GalionKnight> thanks for the help
#2912 [23:27] <Grognor> that's it!
#2913 [23:27] <xales> If it doesn't work, then you are installing it incorrectly. We can't really help with that
#2914 [23:28] <SupBros> Thanks for your help, Xales
#2915 [23:28] <xales> np, sorry it won't work for you
#2916 [23:28] <Grognor> the instructions are not complicated. please don't turn that into a joke regarding my incompetence. I said that because you would have to try to follow them incorrectly
#2917 [23:28] <xales> Grognor: If you were doing it correctly, it would be working, would it not?
#2918 [23:29] <xales> (Did you delete the META-INF folder? ._.)
#2919 [23:29] <Grognor> for some reason I had several meta-inf folders
#2920 [23:29] <Grognor> so I deleted all of them
#2921 [23:29] <GreyVulpine> There should've been only one..
#2922 [23:30] <xales> ^
#2923 [23:30] <GreyVulpine> Could you try deleting /bin/, getting fresh files from the launcher, and trying again?
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#2925 [23:30] <Grognor> stop phrasing everything as a criticism jeez
#2926 [23:30] <xales> ...we aren't?
#2927 [23:31] <Grognor> I'll try that, anyway
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#2930 [23:36] <Grognor> okay well doing that didn't replace the meta-inf folder
#2931 [23:36] <Grognor> so now there is none
#2932 [23:36] * Wheatley washes Voxel with fire
#2932 [23:36] <VoxelHead> I do love a good washesing.
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#2934 [23:39] <Grognor> and surprise, it still blackscreens
#2935 [23:40] <GreyVulpine> Did deleting /bin/ not give you a fresh minecraft.jar file to edit?
#2936 [23:40] <GreyVulpine> That file should have meta-inf again
#2937 [23:41] <Grognor> it did, in fact, do that
#2938 [23:41] <GreyVulpine> And you're using the unofficial optimine release for 1.5_01 by 303?
#2939 [23:41] <Grognor> I believe your last comment has allowed me to identify what I was doing wrong
#2940 [23:42] <GreyVulpine> http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?t=264418&f=1032
#2941 [23:42] <Grognor> I am using the unofficial one by inio
#2942 [23:42] <Grognor> yes, that one
#2943 [23:44] <Grognor> oy. I fixed it. I was doing something wrong, as you fellows suspected in the first place. thanks anyway
#2944 [23:46] <GreyVulpine> What was the problem?
#2945 [23:47] <Grognor> a very stupid one. I didn't even realize that the meta-inf folder I was to delete was IN the minecraft.jar file. I thought it was, you know... somewhere in my computer, so I just did a search for them and it found a bunch.
#2946 [23:47] <Grognor> YUP. PRETTY STUPID. though a mistake one could easily make I still feel shame for making it
#2947 [23:47] <GreyVulpine> Ah, thanks for telling us.
#2948 [23:48] <Grognor> this... is a really massive improvement
#2949 [23:49] <Grognor> holy smokes, why is this not in the official version. before, I couldn't be running other programs at all, and even with nothing else going on it still ran poorly. now I can run it and firefox at the same time
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#2951 [23:50] <lunieboy> hey anyone know the irc for mojang livestream
#2952 [23:50] <GreyVulpine> Mojang has a livestream?
#2953 [23:50] <lunieboy> yes
#2954 [23:51] <lunieboy> http://www.livestream.com/mojang
#2955 [23:51] <xales> Grognor: There is an...ancient one that plays recorded stuff
#2956 [23:51] <xales> err
#2957 [23:51] <xales> GreyVulpine:
#2958 [23:51] <GreyVulpine> Ah, yeah.
#2959 [23:51] <GreyVulpine> Didn't think they had something new going on righ tnow
#2960 [23:51] <xales> lunieboy: That's all recorded, from a long time ago
#2961 [23:51] <lunieboy> oh its old?
#2962 [23:51] <lunieboy> lol my bad
#2963 [23:51] <Kealper> i've seen Notch use it a bit recently
#2964 [23:52] <Kealper> but not much
#2965 [23:52] <GreyVulpine> Only for his portal 2 coop with his fiancee
#2966 [23:52] <lunieboy> lol
#2967 [23:53] <Kealper> he also did a bit of work on Minecraft recently-ish over it, and was also livestreaming his work on that Ludum Dare entry a while back
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#2969 [23:53] <GreyVulpine> That was quite a whiles back
#2970 [23:53] <lunieboy> ok
#2971 [23:53] <Kealper> but yeah, it's not being used right now and just streams some pre-recorded stuff of him messing around in Minecraft Indev
#2972 [23:54] <lunieboy> kk thanks
#2973 [23:54] <Kealper> he tweets when he is streaming over it, and there are usually thousands of people watching when he is
#2974 [23:54] <lunieboy> lol
#2975 [23:55] <Kealper> ugh....is it the weekend yet? ._.
#2976 [23:57] <GreyVulpine> Bleh
#2977 [23:59] <aetherian> Kealper: yes
#2978 [23:59] <aetherian> it is
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#2980 [23:59] <Ckm2> howdy all