#MinecraftHelp > 2012-02-03
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#9 [00:39] <langkid1> Yay I just finished a whitelist PHP submission script (user side), now I gotta code one for a admin viewing submissions
#10 [00:39] <Kealper> lol
#11 [00:39] * langkid1 loves MySQL+PHP
#11 [00:40] * langkid1 THINKs that making the admin side should be easy, just get all the data and arrange them in a table
#11 [00:41] <langkid1> Kealper, I've spent the last three or fours hours coding when I should've been doing homework :>
#12 [00:41] <Kealper> sounds like back when i was in highschool rofl
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#20 [01:09] <WugPhone> Anyone need anything
#21 [01:09] <Kealper> i could use a Coke
#22 [01:10] <Kealper> while you're out, that is
#23 [01:10] * WugPhone dcc send Kealper COKE
#23 [01:10] <WugPhone> Or is it DCC COKE
#24 [01:10] * Kealper dcc send from WugPhone completed
#24 [01:11] <WugPhone> I love galaxy
#25 [01:11] <WugPhone> Dat ping 25ms
#26 [01:12] <Kealper> lol
#27 [01:13] <Kealper> 39ms here
#28 [01:13] <WugPhone> Shortest ping to any esper server
#29 [01:13] <WugPhone> Wugbot seems so fast now
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#31 [01:16] <Calinou> 0.1sec ping
#32 [01:16] <Calinou> I guess it's small enough for IRC :P
#33 [01:21] <WugPhone> I get almost 2MB/s on my phone
#34 [01:21] <WugPhone> Notbad.jpg
#35 [01:22] <GreyBot> AuBot Your Ping time was 0.188 seconds.
#36 [01:22] <WugPhone> !ping
#37 [01:22] <WugPhone> !ping
#38 [01:22] <GreyBot> WugPhone Your Ping time was 0.218 seconds.
#39 [01:23] <Kealper> and if we're shooting for slowset
#40 [01:23] <Kealper> slowest*
#41 [01:23] <Kealper> !ping
#42 [01:23] <GreyBot> Kealper Your Ping time was 3.105 seconds.
#43 [01:23] <WugPhone> :o
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#45 [01:23] <WugPhone> What did you even do to it
#46 [01:23] <Finamenon> !ping
#47 [01:23] <GreyBot> Finamenon Your Ping time was 0.203 seconds.
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#49 [01:24] <Kealper> irssi waits like 3 seconds before responding to any ctcp requests
#50 [01:24] <AndroUser2> :S
#51 [01:24] <Kealper> some built-in flood protection thing
#52 [01:24] <Kealper> i can turn it off some how but i don't really need to so meh
#53 [01:24] <AndroUser2> ... crap
#54 [01:25] <AndroUser2> Wugphone is not regged
#55 [01:25] * AndroUser2 waits for it to die
#55 [01:25] <Kealper> lol
#56 [01:27] <WugPhone> The one thing i dont like about androir
#57 [01:27] <WugPhone> Is that it loses ssl connections a lot
#58 [01:28] <WugPhone> Anyway im gronked. Im going to sleep
#59 [01:28] <WugPhone> Lol did I really set my host to doop
#60 [01:29] <WugPhone> How was that not taken
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#67 [02:07] <Lacey> Lots of crickets here
#68 [02:10] * Chris|Ded chirps
#68 [02:10] <Lacey> I need some guidance..I'm pretty new to Minecraft and I have the basics down and from what I've seen I'm a pretty good builder. I've loaded Rei;s Minimap and Single player command pack which includes world edit
#69 [02:11] <Lacey> So with the mods I'm able to do some pretty awesome things
#70 [02:11] <Lacey> Now...I'm thinking it's time I join a server but have no idea how to wade through all that muck
#71 [02:11] <Chris|Ded> what muck?
#72 [02:12] <Lacey> Well, There are so many options for servers... Creative....PvP..then termonoligy like greifers pay sponser...
#73 [02:12] <Lacey> Bukkit
#74 [02:12] <Lacey> Hamichi
#75 [02:12] <Lacey> I'm lost
#76 [02:13] <Chris|Ded> avoid hamachi
#77 [02:13] <Chris|Ded> bukkit are modded serves
#78 [02:13] <seddy> their plugins and mods for the servers
#79 [02:13] <seddy> creative is creative no pvp
#80 [02:13] <Chris|Ded> PvP is players versus players
#81 [02:13] <Chris|Ded> what kind of thing were you after?
#82 [02:13] <Lacey> Ok I'm gussing I can't use single player command on a server?
#83 [02:13] <seddy> no
#84 [02:13] <Chris|Ded> depends on the server
#85 [02:13] <seddy> their controlled by the admins
#86 [02:13] <seddy> that run the serber
#87 [02:13] <Lacey> So how do I ...turn it off?
#88 [02:13] <seddy> its always on
#89 [02:14] <seddy> if their server has 100% uptime
#90 [02:14] <Chris|Ded> I'd imagine it'd turn itself off when you went into a server
#91 [02:14] <Lacey> Ahh ok
#92 [02:14] <seddy> all the plugins allow for different things
#93 [02:14] <seddy> ingame shops
#94 [02:14] <seddy> all sorts of things
#95 [02:14] <Lacey> Ya I've seen that...
#96 [02:14] <seddy> find a server that suits your style of play
#97 [02:14] <Chris|Ded> requires bukkit. If it's not bukkit, its pretty much just single player with more players xD
#98 [02:14] <Lacey> Well that's just it
#99 [02:15] <Lacey> I want a creative server that I can fly for building
#100 [02:15] <seddy> alot are out there
#101 [02:15] <Lacey> that has world edit options
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#103 [02:15] <Chris|Ded> minecraftforums.net are the best place to find them
#104 [02:15] <seddy> aye
#105 [02:16] <Lacey> Is there a place that I can post what I've done ...I'd like to get on a good "mature" server
#106 [02:16] <Lacey> And do I need to download and install bukkit?
#107 [02:17] <Lacey> or is that server side
#108 [02:17] <Lacey> Finding a server is like a needle in a haystack too
#109 [02:18] <Chris|Ded> Bukkit's server side
#110 [02:18] <Chris|Ded> you can have any server you want that's not hamachi without installing something
#111 [02:18] <Lacey> Ok good... that' makes it easier
#112 [02:18] <Chris|Ded> also, read this
#113 [02:18] <Chris|Ded> ?? fubar/hamachi
#114 [02:18] <VoxelHead> fubar/hamachi: Hamachi has been squatting on a previously unallocated IP address space. This block of addresses, 5.0.0.0/8, has been allocated by IANA. As such, Hamachi conflicts with the internet. As such, #MineCraftHelp will neither support nor assist with server network issues for hosts using Hamachi for connectivity.
#115 [02:18] <VoxelHead> fubar/hamachi: If you are using Hamachi, use a different solution such as proper port forwarding, or a VPN.
#116 [02:19] <Lacey> Ok... so Hamachi is vpn ...no thanks..good to know thank you
#117 [02:20] <Chris|Ded> hamachi is crap :L
#118 [02:20] <seddy> personally dont like these rmt servers to get server rights or whatever
#119 [02:20] <Lacey> So...ok server size varies some want you to pay some want you to pay to get rights to build
#120 [02:21] <seddy> yeah like i just looked some up
#121 [02:21] <Chris|Ded> most of them you don't have to pay, but the option is there
#122 [02:21] <Lacey> some have "white lists"
#123 [02:21] <seddy> and you "donate" and get yada yada
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#125 [02:21] <seddy> you can still play on them fine
#126 [02:21] <Chris|Ded> personally I accept donations to my server, and require people sign up on the website for free to actually play
#127 [02:22] <seddy> just seems like aton of admins will be running around
#128 [02:22] <Chris|Ded> I have recieved one donation in my time running a server xD
#129 [02:22] <seddy> yeah thats proper
#130 [02:22] <seddy> if its a good server i donate..
#131 [02:22] <Lacey> yes..with "god powers"... and all ....some "refresh daily" in the "protected area"
#132 [02:24] <Lacey> But really I'm lost...you get to see a blurb and a few screen shots and you don't really know if your style will fit
#133 [02:24] <Chris|Ded> connect to the server and see if you like it
#134 [02:25] <Lacey> I've been doing steam punk and turn of the century stuff....except for a tim hortens :)
#135 [02:25] <Lacey> Gotta have my tims
#136 [02:25] <Lacey> there are a gazillion of them though
#137 [02:25] <Chris|Ded> sounds interesting :P
#138 [02:25] <Lacey> not like warcraft where you get the same blend
#139 [02:27] <Lacey> What I'm wondering is if there is a place I can post my stuff...and then if people think I'll fit have them contact me?
#140 [02:27] <seddy> id go for server stability
#141 [02:27] <seddy> no fun if you spend alot of time creating sumtin and server dies
#142 [02:27] <Lacey> stability an issue?
#143 [02:28] <Lacey> can you save your things and move them?
#144 [02:28] <seddy> i mean like stability of the owner and host, and the intentions on how long their going to keep the server up
#145 [02:28] <Lacey> Like...Ok I spent 80 hours on a hotel
#146 [02:28] <seddy> no once your on a server
#147 [02:28] <seddy> its saved in their worlds file on their server
#148 [02:28] <Lacey> I see
#149 [02:29] <seddy> so say they decide to take it down and youve been working
#150 [02:29] <seddy> your shit outa luck
#151 [02:29] <seddy> not that creating new stuff isnt fun and part of mc
#152 [02:29] <Lacey> ewwww so you can't copy your stuff ...they should fix that
#153 [02:29] <seddy> i started my own server like chris
#154 [02:29] <seddy> so i can play from anywhere
#155 [02:29] <seddy> and have access to my world
#156 [02:30] <Lacey> I can pack my save and load the client on another box no ?
#157 [02:31] <seddy> you can move your world save folder
#158 [02:31] <Lacey> Then I'd still have that save....even though it's a particular seed?
#159 [02:31] <seddy> to your server or another client
#160 [02:31] <seddy> yup
#161 [02:31] <seddy> exact world
#162 [02:31] <Lacey> right....but not a building
#163 [02:31] <seddy> like i played my world for a few weeks then copied it to my server started server
#164 [02:31] <seddy> and had my world with buildings and all
#165 [02:31] <seddy> the only thing you do loose is items
#166 [02:31] <seddy> and progression achievments
#167 [02:32] <seddy> but i play survival so its different
#168 [02:32] <Lacey> those are cake with an editor though
#169 [02:32] <seddy> i think youl be fine
#170 [02:32] <seddy> yup
#171 [02:32] <seddy> well
#172 [02:32] <seddy> when u have your own server
#173 [02:32] <seddy> there is built in commands to give items
#174 [02:32] <seddy> by the item id # so its REALLY easy
#175 [02:33] <Lacey> ya..I did the digging in the ground thing and got 22 diamonds.. then I just decided I wanted to build
#176 [02:33] <seddy> my underground minecart system is something to gawk at :)
#177 [02:34] <Lacey> Basically I just modded with the world edit about a week and a half ago....then did the massive hotel
#178 [02:34] <seddy> elevators?
#179 [02:34] <Lacey> Redstone is annoying they need pulleys
#180 [02:34] <seddy> you can do it
#181 [02:34] <Lacey> No .....I need help with the dang elevator
#182 [02:34] <seddy> working on a mortor cannon right now
#183 [02:34] <Lacey> It's ......cumbersome
#184 [02:35] <Lacey> And I did glass elevators
#185 [02:35] <seddy> just got it launching after a weeks worth of work
#186 [02:35] <Lacey> Sounds fun!
#187 [02:35] <Lacey> Ya I wanted working gates for the castle and that took forever
#188 [02:36] <Lacey> Pulleys and gears would be so much easier
#189 [02:36] <seddy> yeah hopefully all in due time
#190 [02:36] <seddy> what they gave us though to work with
#191 [02:36] <seddy> the possibilities are insane
#192 [02:37] <seddy> trying to think of elevators ive seen
#193 [02:37] <Lacey> true...
#194 [02:37] <Lacey> I you tubed them
#195 [02:37] <Lacey> But I need 8 floors
#196 [02:37] <Lacey> and to stop at each floor
#197 [02:37] <seddy> whats the mechanic behind it
#198 [02:38] <Lacey> and that ...you need a line of dust and repeaters for each floor both up and down
#199 [02:38] <seddy> gotya
#200 [02:38] <Lacey> Then you need a call button
#201 [02:38] <Lacey> It's really intricate
#202 [02:39] <Lacey> So it would take a huge amount of space
#203 [02:39] <seddy> like you said
#204 [02:39] <Lacey> totally botch up the look
#205 [02:39] <seddy> thinking about it
#206 [02:39] <seddy> rope, latches and pulleys would be insane
#207 [02:39] <Lacey> yes!
#208 [02:39] <Lacey> Gears!
#209 [02:39] <Lacey> and a steam engine
#210 [02:40] <Lacey> then we could have cars too
#211 [02:40] <seddy> hopefully they just keep working
#212 [02:40] <seddy> there is alot out in mods
#213 [02:40] <seddy> some flying shit
#214 [02:40] <Lacey> yes I saw the boat
#215 [02:40] <seddy> i checked the mod out its cool
#216 [02:40] <seddy> i used the mod that adds the hot air balloon
#217 [02:40] <seddy> that is very cool
#218 [02:41] <Lacey> How does that work can you create your own style balloon?
#219 [02:41] <seddy> you know how you build a boat
#220 [02:41] <seddy> or a mine cart
#221 [02:42] <Lacey> ya
#222 [02:42] <seddy> recipe for a little hot air balloon
#223 [02:42] <seddy> awesome for survival mode for exploring
#224 [02:42] <Lacey> but.....can you attach blocks to it?
#225 [02:42] <seddy> didnt mess with it that much
#226 [02:42] <seddy> just built and flew around actually
#227 [02:42] <seddy> crafted
#228 [02:43] <seddy> i should say
#229 [02:43] <Lacey> They ought to have 2 blank id's so you can add items
#230 [02:44] <Lacey> I wonder what dynamics they used for the ballon
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#233 [02:46] <Lacey> anyway...where can I post my builds so I can advert for a server?
#234 [02:46] <Lacey> cause I think that would be easier then wading though all that mess
#235 [02:47] <Lacey> is "think" the word of the day or something it keeps comming up as a link
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#237 [02:50] <Lacey> Well I'm gonna try posting my Screens on the forum and see if that gets me a server
#238 [02:50] <Lacey> Thanks for the info
#239 [02:50] <seddy> yeah
#240 [02:50] <seddy> that sounds like your best bet
#241 [02:50] <seddy> just make sure its a decent server
#242 [02:50] <seddy> and not some homebox
#243 [02:51] <Coll> Anyone got an idea how to pre generate a map with minecrafts generationcode that doesnt involve flying around and traveling for hours
#244 [02:51] <Lacey> How would I know....I guess I need to check them out
#245 [02:52] <|Kiikun|> Coll: mcedit should beable to... though flying around is the 'legit' way :P
#246 [02:52] <|Kiikun|> and why the need to pregenerate?
#247 [02:54] <Lacey> I think Coll when Cricket
#248 [02:55] <Lacey> when = went
#249 [02:55] <|Kiikun|> or he's googling mcedit...
#250 [02:55] <Coll> cause our server lags badly and needs to get restarted frequently when our users generate land
#251 [02:55] <Coll> we generate it early
#252 [02:55] <Coll> good serverperformance
#253 [02:56] <|Kiikun|> mcedit shoudl beable to generate land for you then. just load the map into it and/// well figure it out ^^;; *doesnt know HOW just remembers that it CAN*
#254 [02:56] <Lacey> correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't it have to gen on each users box
#255 [02:57] <|Kiikun|> server.
#256 [02:57] <|Kiikun|> server sends the 'chunks'
#257 [02:57] <hmw1> I wished for a "pre-generate" feature, too. This way I could make a new seed, let it "expand" automatically, render a map and decide, if I like the world. With flying around, this takes hours
#258 [02:57] <hmw1> MCEdit can do that?
#259 [02:58] <|Kiikun|> ?? mcedit
#260 [02:58] <VoxelHead> mcedit: http://davidvierra.com/mcedit/download.html
#261 [02:58] * |Kiikun| reads up
#261 [02:58] <hmw1> I never saw a feature like that in MCEdit
#262 [03:00] <|Kiikun|> i think its under Chunks...
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#264 [03:00] <hmw1> must be new
#265 [03:00] <hmw1> thx
#266 [03:00] * |Kiikun| remembers mention of mcedit using the server jar to generate land
#266 [03:01] <Grim_Reaper> anybody know if assets.minecraft.net is lagging today?
#267 [03:01] <hmw1> why am i named hmw1 ... uhm...
#268 [03:01] <hmw1> test
#269 [03:02] <hmw1> I can't change my nick
#270 [03:02] <Lacey> oh...my save file is like 300Mb is that normal?
#271 [03:02] <hmw1> that's not really that big
#272 [03:04] <Lacey> ok was just wondering...
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#274 [03:05] <hmw> quantum weirdness in irc, i suppose
#275 [03:05] <Lacey> well I'm going to put some screens together and upload them...hopefully I get a good server to deal with
#276 [03:05] <Lacey> thanks for the help
#277 [03:06] <|Kiikun|> hmw: youd probbably were in a channel you were 'banned'
#278 [03:06] <hmw> i can't imagine having been banned intentionally
#279 [03:08] <hmw> Well... it works now. Perhaps some bug, since I use Pidgin
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#281 [03:35] <hmw> uhm
#282 [03:35] <hmw> again
#283 [03:35] <hmw> i fot this message: (09:28:52 AM) The account has disconnected and you are no longer in this chat. You will be automatically rejoined in the chat when the account reconnects.
#284 [03:35] <hmw> now i can't change nick
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#287 [03:44] <hmw> test
#288 [03:44] <seddy> read ya
#289 [03:45] <hmw> hah. thx
#290 [03:45] <hmw> looks like my cable modem crashed in a quite weird way
#291 [03:46] <seddy> stormy where u live?
#292 [03:47] <hmw> nope, and the fiber is underground usually here
#293 [03:47] <hmw> but they might be "working" on the infrastructure
#294 [03:48] <seddy> yeah who knows
#295 [03:48] <seddy> saw u ping timeout twice
#296 [03:48] <hmw> my ISP is quite lousy when it comes to quality
#297 [03:48] <seddy> seem fine now
#298 [03:48] <seddy> good ping to me
#299 [03:49] <hmw> perhaps really the modem itself. runs for 5 years now almost wihtout interruption
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#301 [03:49] <hmw> before, i was "semi-online"
#302 [03:49] <seddy> hehe i had a linux box with suse on it, has a ups and uptime is almost over a year :)
#303 [03:49] <seddy> had= have
#304 [03:50] <hmw> then it started to blink like it was trying to induce a epileptic seizure to my brain
#305 [03:50] <seddy> hahahaa
#306 [03:50] <seddy> like some korean drinking town
#307 [03:50] <hmw> :) something like that
#308 [03:51] <seddy> nearly went blind on my trip to japan
#309 [03:51] <seddy> after the drinking session we did in osaka
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#311 [04:08] <hmw> lol@topic "Mojang is a good company"... I wonder, why they put it in there *smirk*
#312 [04:11] <hmw> oh, nice. They are really good. That's much better than being "not evil"
#313 [04:11] <seddy> the schmoo
#314 [04:15] <hmw> uhm what year do we have in this paralleloverse? People in ##javascript are talking about "more and more browsers starting to support JS" and "Netscape is becoming more popular"
#315 [04:15] <hmw> i think i found the reason for my modem hiccup
#316 [04:16] <seddy> netscape lol
#317 [04:16] <seddy> i recall my prodigy account
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#323 [05:02] <JonaTHB> Can you tell about how long it will take to unlock my account (bought/paid in early 2011, not used for quite a time, now "User not premium", sent an e-mail request with Transaction ID to unlock)
#324 [05:05] <hmw> JonaTHB: 2 days to perhaps even two weeks
#325 [05:10] <JonaTHB> Haha, thx. customer service in 2012
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#327 [05:11] <hmw> JonaTHB: read the link in the topic about Mojang being "good"
#328 [05:12] <hmw> and remember, a bunch of guys vs. millions of users
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#330 [05:14] <Grim_Reaper> ;kick Grim_Reaper test
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#334 [05:19] <tyteen4a03> ;ul tyteen4a03
#335 [05:19] <WugBot> User tyteen4a03 has userlevel 0.
#336 [05:19] <tyteen4a03> oh right
#337 [05:20] <Grim_Reaper> o.o
#338 [05:20] <JonaTHB> yeah. I'm kind of deeply touched now. Doesn't help me use the product I paid for, unfortunately. That "Bunch of guys vs. millions of users" bla should not be overstressed considering the "giving 5 students 10$/hour for reading emails and resolving account issues full time when you've earned millions and millions by selling your product" possibility
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#340 [05:22] <tyteen4a03> JonaTHB: Blame mojang for that, other than that we can't really do anything about it
#341 [05:23] <JonaTHB> yah, sorry, I know that's not the place for my whining ^^. Already told them the same story. thx anyway
#342 [05:23] <JonaTHB> yah, sorry, I know that's not the place for my whining ^^. Already told them the same story. thx anyway
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#344 [05:24] <tyteen4a03> why do I feel bad
#345 [05:24] <Grim_Reaper> Because you cant help him?
#346 [05:24] <Grim_Reaper> Least thats my reason ._.
#347 [05:24] <tyteen4a03> I guess
#348 [05:25] <|Kiikun|> rofl.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2rDbV84nnM
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#350 [05:32] <SinZ> lol |kiiiikun|
#351 [05:34] <|Kiikun|> yes. i know some people who will become cat hoarders :P
#352 [05:34] <|Kiikun|> and sit the cats all over their property :P
#353 [05:34] <Grim_Reaper> ._.
#354 [05:34] <Grim_Reaper> Inb4 pussyfest?
#355 [05:34] <Chris> o.o
#356 [05:34] * tyteen4a03 points to porn
#356 [05:34] <Grim_Reaper> ..
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#362 [05:53] <FourFire> Hello all
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#364 [06:03] <FourFire> From the rules: " and yak-shaving services."
#365 [06:03] <FourFire> what may I ask , is a "Yak-shaving service"?
#366 [06:04] <Chris> o.o
#367 [06:04] <FourFire> sorry, did I just break one of the rules?
#368 [06:04] <FourFire> Please explain where I slipped up
#369 [06:08] <Chris> FourFire, you're not allowed to mention anything about yak-shaving services.
#370 [06:11] <FourFire> but I donæt understand what a *** ******** ******* is
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#372 [06:34] <FourFire> OK
#373 [06:34] <FourFire> I see
#374 [06:34] <FourFire> the internet has spoken
#375 [06:34] <FourFire> goodbye
#376 [06:34] <FourFire> goodbye
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#380 [06:46] <Silvy> Do you help minecraft classic also
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#388 [07:34] * Chris hugs back
#388 [07:34] <Chris> Grim_Reaper, you've got a ghost, Grim_Rea-
#389 [07:34] <Grim_Reaper> o_O
#390 [07:35] <Chris> its freebnc D:
#391 [07:35] <Grim_Reaper> D:
#392 [07:36] * Chris dozed off and woke up like 2 seconds after you hugged me, bit my tongue to wake up randomly which hurt :(
#392 [07:36] <Chris> (accident)
#393 [07:37] <Grim_Reaper> ;-;
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#395 [07:42] <brynett> Hey! Got some problems with my payment, any op availeble?
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#398 [07:45] <Grim_Reaper> brynett where did you pay and how?
#399 [07:46] <Grim_Reaper> Also what is the issue exactly?
#400 [07:47] <brynett> the issue is that i can´t pay with either of my creditcards, im asked to transfer money to a money bookers club
#401 [07:47] <brynett> sec, ill get the error message up again
#402 [07:48] <|Kiikun|> brynett: are they prepaid cards?
#403 [07:48] <brynett> credit/debt
#404 [07:48] <brynett> mastercard
#405 [07:48] <|Kiikun|> and moneybookers is the payment processor mojang uses... paypal is an explicit option as well.
#406 [07:49] <Grim_Reaper> Yeah. I would recommend paypal if you can
#407 [07:49] <|Kiikun|> was the message something alogn the lines of 'cant use this card in the next 24 hours'?
#408 [07:49] <brynett> Your account is locked for outgoing transfers and credit/debit card payments therefore we cannot complete this transaction.
#409 [07:49] <brynett> To unlock your account, you must upload funds into your Skrill (Moneybookers) account via bank transfer.
#410 [07:49] <|Kiikun|> you can pay by cards throguh paypal as well :P
#411 [07:50] <|Kiikun|> oh, you actually regged a moneybookers account?
#412 [07:50] <brynett> i´ve had a friend try to buy a giftcode with his prepaid card, but he gets the same error
#413 [07:50] <|Kiikun|> its possible this is the problem...
#414 [07:50] <|Kiikun|> :payment/stopped
#415 [07:50] <WugBot> payment/stopped: Banks, credit card companies, etc. frequently stop minecraft purchases for your protection because they are international transactions. You may have to call your financial institution and ask that they approve the transfer.
#416 [07:50] <WugBot> payment/stopped: If you're not sure what to say, tell them: "I would like to make an international purchase and payment is being declined. How would I go about approving the purchase?"
#417 [07:51] <|Kiikun|> prepaid cards... dont let you bypass that.
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#419 [07:51] <brynett> would a paypal accout help with bypassing this?
#420 [07:51] <Grim_Reaper> Yeah it should
#421 [07:51] <brynett> didnt sign up for a moneybookers
#422 [07:51] <Grim_Reaper> Most people I know use paypal instead of prepaid cards/cc/debit
#423 [07:52] <|Kiikun|> brynett: you dont have to reg the paypal account. you can pay through paypal by selecting them on the payment page
#424 [07:52] <brynett> aha, did´nt know that. ill try that now
#425 [07:53] * |Kiikun| used debt card through moneybookers for all three purchases :P
#425 [07:53] <Grim_Reaper> :o
#426 [07:53] * |Kiikun| must just be less secured by the bank
#426 [07:54] * Grim_Reaper steals |Kiikun|'s purchases
#426 [07:54] <|Kiikun|> Grim_Reaper: 1 was my account. 2 were giftcodes. one code already used :P
#427 [07:54] <brynett> awesome, worked via paypal, thx alot guys :)
#428 [07:54] <Grim_Reaper> I shall still steal your purchases
#429 [07:54] <|Kiikun|> brynett: :3
#430 [07:54] <Grim_Reaper> ^^
#431 [07:54] <|Kiikun|> Grim_Reaper: go reap a sheep :P
#432 [07:55] <Grim_Reaper> I did that yesterday
#433 [07:55] * Chris read that as rape :L
#433 [07:55] <Grim_Reaper> lol x-x
#434 [07:55] <|Kiikun|> Chris: rofl
#435 [07:55] <|Kiikun|> admittedly.. raep is a joke-typo for rape :P
#436 [07:55] <Grim_Reaper> As they (I think) say in AU. Sheep shaggers
#437 [07:56] <|Kiikun|> BaaBangers?
#438 [07:56] <Chris> Grim_Reaper, Sheep shaggers are people from NZ
#439 [07:56] <Grim_Reaper> Close enough
#440 [07:57] * |Kiikun| resumes debating regging NutBunny as premium
#440 [07:57] <Grim_Reaper> How many minecraft accounts do you have o_O?
#441 [07:57] <|Kiikun|> me? Sennyotai. and NonPremium NutBunny
#442 [07:57] <Grim_Reaper> !check Sennyotai
#443 [07:58] <Grim_Reaper> Oh wait >_>
#444 [07:58] <Grim_Reaper> lol
#445 [07:58] <|Kiikun|> derp!
#446 [07:58] <Grim_Reaper> !paid Sennyotai
#447 [07:58] <Grim_Reaper> :D
#448 [07:58] <Grim_Reaper> !paid cweeper
#449 [07:58] <Grim_Reaper> I knew there would be somebody with that username
#450 [07:58] <Chris> lol
#451 [07:59] <Chris> !check Grim_Reaper
#452 [07:59] <|Kiikun|> ....
#453 [07:59] <Grim_Reaper> .-.
#454 [07:59] <Chris> o.o
#455 [07:59] <Chris> y u no bnc?
#456 [07:59] <Chris> wait
#457 [07:59] <Grim_Reaper> Im on my bnc..
#458 [07:59] <Chris> confuse...
#459 [07:59] <|Kiikun|> wtf.. whered aubot get that ip
#460 [07:59] <Grim_Reaper> lol
#461 [07:59] <|Kiikun|> ?
#462 [07:59] <Grim_Reaper> Im confused as well |Kiikun|
#463 [07:59] <Chris> !check Chris
#464 [07:59] <Grim_Reaper> ...
#465 [07:59] <Chris> I think it's pulling it out of its rectum
#466 [07:59] <Grim_Reaper> !check |Kiikun|
#467 [08:00] <Grim_Reaper> Ohreally?
#468 [08:00] <Sennyotai> x.x
#469 [08:00] * Sennyotai let the nick drop
#469 [08:00] <Grim_Reaper> lol
#470 [08:00] <Chris> yay, ~30 mins and I can go to bed
#471 [08:01] * Chris spawns a 355
#471 [08:01] <Sennyotai> yay~ about 2 hours i have to be at work~
#472 [08:01] <Chris> good luck :L what do you do?
#473 [08:01] <Grim_Reaper> Yay I got my carrier signal back >_>
#474 [08:01] <Chris> grats
#475 [08:01] <Grim_Reaper> Tried turning 3G on and bam text message o.o
#476 [08:02] <Sennyotai> me? i work in a grocery store. prepared foods.
#477 [08:02] <Chris> Sounds... different :3
#478 [08:02] <Sennyotai> aka Chickens and Sandwiches... (oh and fried stuff)
#479 [08:02] <Grim_Reaper> I can haz free food?
#480 [08:02] * Chris want free food too
#480 [08:02] <Sennyotai> Grim_Reaper: if you come by and pick it out of the garbage can while im not looking
#481 [08:02] * Grim_Reaper whimpers ;_____;
#481 [08:03] <Chris> Sennyotai, what country are you from?
#482 [08:03] <Grim_Reaper> hong kong
#483 [08:03] <Sennyotai> hmm... oh and soup is free with a sandwich.. unles that sale ended..
#484 [08:03] <Sennyotai> US
#485 [08:03] <Sennyotai> :P
#486 [08:03] <Grim_Reaper> Close enough
#487 [08:03] * Chris remembered he has soup
#487 [08:03] <Chris> afk
#488 [08:03] <Grim_Reaper> ._.
#489 [08:03] <Grim_Reaper> What about me. Im hungry
#490 [08:03] <Grim_Reaper> D:
#491 [08:04] <Grim_Reaper> Savages =\
#492 [08:04] <Grim_Reaper> >_>
#493 [08:04] <Sennyotai> wait... friday... x.x
#494 [08:04] <Chris> herp flood control
#495 [08:04] * Sennyotai drops a chicken bomb on Grim_Reaper
#495 [08:04] <Grim_Reaper> <3
#496 [08:04] * Chris gives Grim_Reaper another 357
#496 [08:04] <Sennyotai> /spawn chicken 500
#497 [08:04] * Chris teleports to spawn
#497 [08:05] <Grim_Reaper> :D
#498 [08:05] <Chris> /spawnmob wolf:angry,creeper:powered 100
#499 [08:06] <Grim_Reaper> ._.
#500 [08:06] <Chris> considered dangerous if not on godmode
#501 [08:06] <Grim_Reaper> Lol considered >_>
#502 [08:06] <Grim_Reaper> It IS dangerous ;-;
#503 [08:06] <Chris> haha
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#505 [08:07] <Sennyotai> wait... does that spawn 100 total, randomized between them...
#506 [08:07] <Chris> nope
#507 [08:07] * Grim_Reaper goes to scavange for food
#507 [08:07] <Sennyotai> or 100 CREEPERS RIDING WOLVES?!
#508 [08:07] <Chris> it spawns a wolf being ridden by a powered creeper
#509 [08:07] <Sennyotai> x.x
#510 [08:07] <Grim_Reaper> Dont give Jeb ideas >_>
#511 [08:07] <Chris> the wolf runs faster than the person and... KABOOM
#512 [08:07] <Grim_Reaper> ~afkish
#513 [08:07] <Sennyotai> yes... very dangerous
#514 [08:08] <Chris> (I don't know if it works without Bukkit+Essentials though)
#515 [08:08] <Sennyotai> singleplayercommands :P
#516 [08:10] <Racster> Does anyone know the rarity of the ores in minecraft?
#517 [08:10] <Chris> Google does :D
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#519 [08:10] <Racster> My google doesnt :P
#520 [08:10] <Chris> o.o
#521 [08:10] <Chris> well then...
#522 [08:10] * Chris shuts up
#522 [08:10] <Sennyotai> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Ore
#523 [08:11] <Racster> I found out that coal might be 20 :/
#524 [08:11] <Chris> that was.... amazing voxel xD
#525 [08:11] <Sennyotai> what do you mean 'might be 20'?
#526 [08:13] <Racster> If I were to make a new ore you need a rarity number
#527 [08:13] <Racster> Someone said that coals number is 20
#528 [08:13] <Sennyotai> youre makign a mod?
#529 [08:14] <Racster> Im trying to make the standard mod :P
#530 [08:14] <Racster> But I want it to be more rare than iron but more common than diamonds
#531 [08:19] <Sennyotai> why in the hells woudl you want coal to be rare? unless you want to make the players use charcoal more..
#532 [08:19] <Racster> No I meant my new ore
#533 [08:19] <Racster> not coal :P
#534 [08:19] <Racster> that would be awfull
#535 [08:19] <Sennyotai> ah.
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#537 [08:20] <Racster> But I cant seem to find the rarity of all ores and find my new ore too common
#538 [08:21] <Sennyotai> Racster: youd be better asking in #mcp or #risucraft . those are the modding channels
#539 [08:21] <Racster> Okay Ill try
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#544 [09:14] * Sennyotai goes to work now :P
#544 [09:14] <Chris> lol'd
#545 [09:17] <Grim_Reaper> Ocelots <3
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#565 [11:05] <Rahoz> is anyone online?
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#567 [11:05] <Rahoz> hello?
#568 [11:06] <Rahoz> is anyody there?
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#577 [11:52] <magictj> Does anyone have a new server like 2 days old or a week?
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#587 [13:00] <magictj> Hai does anyone have a new server like 2 days or a week old?
#588 [13:01] <GreyVulpine> ?? smp/servers
#589 [13:01] <VoxelHead> smp/servers: There currently is no master list of all SMP servers. Fan-made indexes include http://minestatus.net/ - http://www.mcserverlist.net/ - http://www.reddit.com/r/mcservers - http://minecraftservers.net/ - http://minecraft.dk/mcserverlist/
#590 [13:01] <VoxelHead> smp/servers: You can also find a list at the MC forums at http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewforum.php?f=1025. Also, try the #smp channel.
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#592 [13:08] <GreyVulpine> ?? snapshot
#593 [13:08] <VoxelHead> snapshot: Latest snapshot is http://assets.minecraft.net/12w05a/minecraft.jar
#594 [13:09] <GreyVulpine> ??~ snapshot| Latest snapshot is http://assets.minecraft.net/12w05b/minecraft.jar
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#599 [13:16] <dusk> I NEED HALP
#600 [13:16] <dusk> MY ACCOUNT WAS DELETED
#601 [13:16] <Grim_Reaper> o_O
#602 [13:16] <dusk> PLZ HALP ME MOJANG
#603 [13:16] <Grim_Reaper> I dont think accounts can b e deleted?
#604 [13:16] <Grim_Reaper> Unless an ACTUAL mojang exployee did that which I would not see why they would have reason to do so
#605 [13:16] <dusk> well it says it doesnt exist on the website but i can play the game just fine
#606 [13:17] <Grim_Reaper> And which website are you trying to login to?
#607 [13:17] <dusk> minecraft.net
#608 [13:17] <Grim_Reaper> Hmm
#609 [13:17] <Grim_Reaper> Whats your minecraft username?
#610 [13:17] <Morrolan> Did you migrate your account?
#611 [13:17] <dusk> ?
#612 [13:17] <dusk> w8
#613 [13:17] <Morrolan> Try to log in with your mail address instead of your username on the website.
#614 [13:17] <Grim_Reaper> ^
#615 [13:18] <dusk> i tried but it didnt work
#616 [13:18] <dusk> when i click confirm email and type my name it says thi account does not exist
#617 [13:18] <Morrolan> Then it is most likely the wrong address you tried. Check your mail history I suggest
#618 [13:19] <dusk> isent the username list to all my emails and my account wasnt on any of the emails
#619 [13:19] <Grim_Reaper> What is your minecraft username though?
#620 [13:20] <dusk> i think it hapened when the servers went down
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#622 [13:22] <dusk> any more ideas
#623 [13:22] <Grim_Reaper> Well for one you can try emailing help@mojang.com about it
#624 [13:23] <dusk> i try that
#625 [13:23] <Grim_Reaper> And how long has it been since you emailed them?
#626 [13:23] <GreyVulpine> Actually, try: http://help.mojang.com/
#627 [13:23] <GreyVulpine> Answers some of the more common questions there, along with providing a form for direct contact
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#630 [13:29] <dusk> oh itried that help section and i couldnt find a solution
#631 [13:30] <Grim_Reaper> Could you try this just out of interest. !paid usernamehere
#632 [13:30] <dusk> i sent the email about a min ago
#633 [13:30] <dusk> what put !paid them my username
#634 [13:30] <Grim_Reaper> it checks if a username has paid
#635 [13:30] <Grim_Reaper> !paid Grimster101
#636 [13:31] <Grim_Reaper> I just want to see if it sees your account exists
#637 [13:31] <dusk> !paid duskknight12
#638 [13:31] <dusk> see
#639 [13:31] <dusk> i have
#640 [13:31] <dusk> paid
#641 [13:31] <Grim_Reaper> Ok so your account definitly is there
#642 [13:31] <dusk> yes
#643 [13:32] <Grim_Reaper> So I tried testing login to your username on minecraft.net
#644 [13:32] <Grim_Reaper> I got this error - Your account has been migrated, use your email address to login.
#645 [13:32] <Grim_Reaper> You say you're getting that it does not exist?
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#647 [13:32] <Grim_Reaper> Hiya Boreeas
#648 [13:33] <dusk> well it says it has been migrated but if i click confirm email it says my account doesn't exist
#649 [13:33] <Grim_Reaper> Have you not already confirmed it?
#650 [13:33] <dusk> i think
#651 [13:34] <dusk> i should have ill double check]
#652 [13:34] <Grim_Reaper> K
#653 [13:34] <Guest61929> Damn bnc
#654 [13:34] <Grim_Reaper> Also just to make sure Im understanding you correctly. Your account is migrated. You can login to the game via the minecraft launcher. But when you try logging into minecraft.net with your account (using the email) it says it does not exist or?
#655 [13:36] <dusk> exactly
#656 [13:36] <Grim_Reaper> Ok
#657 [13:37] <Grim_Reaper> Errm I highly doubt this will have anything to do with it or work for that matter. But maybe try using a different browser/clearing cookies/history etc
#658 [13:38] <dusk> i tried using internet explorer and clearing my caches but didn't work
#659 [13:38] <xales> What username are you logging in with>
#660 [13:38] <Grim_Reaper> I've just noticed you xales
#661 [13:38] <Grim_Reaper> His account is migrated to mojang
#662 [13:38] <Grim_Reaper> So he's trying his email address
#663 [13:38] <Grim_Reaper> Though it tells him his account does not exist when trying to login to minecraft.net
#664 [13:39] <Grim_Reaper> But he logs into minecraft via game launcher fine
#665 [13:39] <dusk> !paid duskknight12
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#667 [13:39] <Grim_Reaper> dusk. If you're happy with it
#668 [13:40] <Grim_Reaper> Would you care to /notice Grim_Reaper your email to me and I'll see if I get the same error
#669 [13:40] <Grim_Reaper> Also have you tried a password reset at all?
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#671 [13:41] <dusk> i tried pass reset and no im not gonna give you my email
#672 [13:41] <Grim_Reaper> Ok fair enough ^^
#673 [13:41] <Grim_Reaper> And I take it you got the password reset email?
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#675 [13:41] <dusk> not for the duskknight account though cos it says it doesnt exist
#676 [13:41] <Grim_Reaper> Ahhh
#677 [13:42] <Grim_Reaper> Ok then that answers alot
#678 [13:42] <Grim_Reaper> I think your accounts email has been changed to another one
#679 [13:42] <dusk> i tried all my emails tho
#680 [13:42] <Grim_Reaper> Is it possible your password was weak/known by others that could have accessed it at all?
#681 [13:42] <dusk> erm
#682 [13:42] <Grim_Reaper> Oh no wait but you login to minecraft game fine >_>
#683 [13:43] <Grim_Reaper> nvm then
#684 [13:43] <Grim_Reaper> The best thing I can suggest then is to wait for a response from mojang
#685 [13:43] <dusk> can you change your skin without using the website
#686 [13:43] <Grim_Reaper> Not that I know of
#687 [13:44] <dusk> ok thanks illl just wait for a response
#688 [13:44] <Grim_Reaper> ^^
#689 [13:44] <Grim_Reaper> But yeah sorry we couldn't be of help
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#691 [13:45] <dusk> no its fine
#692 [13:45] <dusk> i was looking for their email so thanks
#693 [13:45] <dusk> bye
#694 [13:45] <dusk> bye
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#702 [14:34] <AntiParagon> Hey, stupid question, but I'm ignorant and just throwing the game together for my son. How do I operate the snapshots? They make a windows error sound every time I try to use them.
#703 [14:34] <GreyVulpine> The minecraft.jars go into %appdata%/.minecraft/bin/
#704 [14:35] <AntiParagon> Oh, ugh, right. I knew I was overlooking something. Thanks.
#705 [14:40] <AntiParagon> And it seems fully functional. Thanks for the help, GreyVulpine. Have a good one guys, you made a happy 6 year old today.
#706 [14:40] * GreyVulpine tips hat, "Glad to help"
#706 [14:41] <Grim_Reaper> :3
#707 [14:41] <Grim_Reaper> Wait you dont have a hat GreyBot
#708 [14:41] <Grim_Reaper> GreyVulpine *
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#710 [14:42] <Nathan2055> OK, here's the first of my questions.
#711 [14:43] <Nathan2055> Is there a way to get good skins?
#712 [14:43] * Grim_Reaper listens
#712 [14:44] <Grim_Reaper> You can google to find websites as well as check the minecraft forums
#713 [14:44] <Nathan2055> Okay.
#714 [14:44] <Nathan2055> Here's the other one.
#715 [14:44] <Nathan2055> Does anyone have pictures of the John Smith texture pack?
#716 [14:45] <Cryophile> they're in the forum thread, Nathan2055
#717 [14:45] <Nathan2055> Yes, but those don't show what the mobs look like.
#718 [14:46] <Nathan2055> I really have been looking for one that makes the mods look good.
#719 [14:46] <Nathan2055> I mean, that they don't look realistic.
#720 [14:46] <Nathan2055> Ugh.
#721 [14:46] <Nathan2055> I don't understand myself :P.
#722 [14:46] <Nathan2055> Bascially, I've been looking for one that doesn't have realistic mobs.
#723 [14:47] <Cryophile> I use Sphax :P
#724 [14:47] <Nathan2055> I can't seem to find that one...
#725 [14:48] <Cryophile> Sphax PureBDCraft
#726 [14:49] <Nathan2055> Still can't find it.
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#728 [14:49] <Nathan2055> Search is still busted.
#729 [14:49] <Nathan2055> :(
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#732 [14:51] <Cryophile> Well, I see nothing in the rules regarding texture pack links
#733 [14:51] <Cryophile> Nathan2055: http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/376784-16x-32x-64x-128x-256x-512xmc11-sphax-purebdcraft-211211/
#734 [14:52] <oldtopmanserver> Cryophile: What about rules and texpacks?
#735 [14:52] <Cryophile> Channel rules and outside links
#736 [14:52] <GreyVulpine> Nothing against looking up links for somebody
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#738 [14:53] <GreyVulpine> We just frown upon unsolicited advertising here, is all
#739 [14:53] <Cryophile> I didn't think so provided they're minecraft related
#740 [14:53] <Cryophile> and not soliciting, yeah
#741 [14:53] <Cryophile> I checked the rules anyway :(
#742 [14:53] <GreyVulpine> You're okay.
#743 [14:53] <GreyVulpine> You're okay.
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#746 [14:55] <Nathan2055> It looks pretty good.
#747 [14:57] <Nathan2055> I would really like to see pics of JohnSmith though.
#748 [14:59] <Cryophile> and he leaves
#749 [14:59] <Cryophile> haha
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#751 [14:59] <Anteu> http://rakenews.com Free cashback from poker! Try it guys!
#752 [14:59] <Anteu> http://rakenews.com Free cashback from poker! Try it guys!
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#759 [15:13] <DrakyDarkstar> hello
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#761 [15:15] <Mibbit> Hello
#762 [15:15] <DrakyDarkstar> im trying to port a mod to bukkit, is this a place i can ask for help with that or is there a more specific irc?
#763 [15:16] <Mibbit> I have a question concerning Minecraft (the paid vesion
#764 [15:16] <GreyVulpine> DrakyDarkstar - #bukkit
#765 [15:16] <GreyVulpine> Mibbit - What question?
#766 [15:16] <DrakyDarkstar> same server i guess?
#767 [15:17] <GreyVulpine> DrakyDarkstar - Yes
#768 [15:17] <Mibbit> The game is installed, and it'll let me log in, but after that it shows me a black screen.
#769 [15:17] <GreyVulpine> Mibbit - Has minecraft ever worked before?
#770 [15:18] <Mibbit> Yes.
#771 [15:18] <GreyVulpine> Mibbit - Alright. What operating system are you on?
#772 [15:18] <Mibbit> Windows 7
#773 [15:19] <GreyVulpine> Mibbit - Please go to your start menu, in the search bar, type in: %appdata%
#774 [15:19] <Mibbit> Ok. Give me a second
#775 [15:19] <GreyVulpine> find the .minecraft folder. Go inside. Delete everything there but the 'saves' folder. Then relaunch minecraft and log back in. It should re-download everything
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#777 [15:20] <Mibbit> The fils says "Roaming" is this it?
#778 [15:20] <Mibbit> file
#779 [15:20] <GreyVulpine> Yes, go into it. You'll find a folder marked '.minecraft' there
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#781 [15:20] <mib_az8boy> Kan mir einer helfen?
#782 [15:20] <Mibbit> Be right back.
#783 [15:21] <Mibbit> Let me just go to my recyle bin.
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#785 [15:24] <Mibbit> Done! It works!
#786 [15:24] <GreyVulpine> Yay!
#787 [15:24] <Mibbit> Thank You!
#788 [15:24] * GreyVulpine tips hat
#788 [15:25] <Mibbit> But There's One Other Question I Have.
#789 [15:26] <GreyVulpine> Ask away
#790 [15:26] <mib_az8boy> Ich habe ein problem beim singelplayer läuft minecraft nicht flüsssig aber bei ein server schon
#791 [15:26] <Mibbit> Can You Reach "The End" In The Creative Mode, Or Did Notch Remove It?
#792 [15:26] <Boreeas> You can, Mibbit
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#794 [15:26] <Mibbit> How Exactly?
#795 [15:26] <Wug> mib_az8boy: can you use a translator
#796 [15:26] <Wug> :translator > mib_az8boy
#797 [15:26] <WugBot> mib_az8boy: (translator) Google Translate: http://translate.google.com/ FreeTranslation's translator: http://www.freetranslation.com/
#798 [15:26] <WugBot> mib_az8boy: (translator) Freier Übersetzer | Traductor Libre | Traducteur Libre | Fri Översättare
#799 [15:27] <Boreeas> Mibbit: You need a protal from a stringhold
#800 [15:27] <Mibbit> "StrongHold?"\
#801 [15:28] <Boreeas> Mibbit: Goddamit, stop capitzalizing every second letter
#802 [15:28] <mib_az8boy> I play in singelplayer runs minecraft not liquid but already in multiplayer can help one?
#803 [15:28] <Boreeas> Mibbit: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Stronghold
#804 [15:28] <Boreeas> Or quit, alright
#805 [15:29] <Boreeas> mib_az8boy: Lass uns beim deutschen bleiben
#806 [15:30] <Boreeas> mib_az8boy: Hast du das Problem auf jedem Server?
#807 [15:31] <mib_az8boy> Nein beim Server geht alles, aber beim einzelspieler geht es ohne hängen
#808 [15:31] <mib_az8boy> nicht
#809 [15:32] <Boreeas> Ah
#810 [15:32] <Omega_Guardian> if multiplayer doesn't work, could be the server isn't updated to current patch client has, or the login server is down
#811 [15:32] <Boreeas> Das liegt daran dass der Server einen einen Teil der Berechnungen abnimmt
#812 [15:32] <mib_az8boy> ok
#813 [15:33] <Boreeas> Wenn du Singleplayer spielst, muss der Client alle Berechnungen selber durchführen, und das kann bei einigen Computern zu Lag führen
#814 [15:33] <mib_az8boy> Also heißt es das die grafikarte zu schlecht ist?
#815 [15:33] <Boreeas> Oder der PRozessor, oder zu wenig RAM, etc.
#816 [15:34] <Omega_Guardian> I don't know any german, just English
#817 [15:35] <mib_az8boy> Aber eins wundert mich trozdem ich spiele minecraft schon seit halben jahr mit gleichem laptob aber erst vor 2 tagen gibt es laggs im einzelspieler
#818 [15:35] <w> What's a reasonable price/spec for an MC server for three concurrent users?
#819 [15:36] <Wug> w: you could host it yourself on any residential connection thats better than dialup
#820 [15:36] <Boreeas> mib_az8boy: Reagieren auch andere Programme langsamer?
#821 [15:36] <w> Wug: tried, got loads of lag on the other end
#822 [15:37] <Wug> what were the specs of the computer
#823 [15:37] <mib_az8boy> ich habe bis her bei keine anderen was gemerkt
#824 [15:37] <Wug> and what os were you using
#825 [15:37] <mib_az8boy> kan es mit dem internet zusammenhängen?
#826 [15:38] <Boreeas> mib_az8boy: Dann solltest du eher laggen, anstatt das es auf Servern besser läuft
#827 [15:38] <w> Wug: Win 7, 16GB 3.2GHz hexcore
#828 [15:38] <Wug> you might consider trying linux
#829 [15:38] <w> because I got the amount of RAM confused when I built it
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#831 [15:39] <mib_az8boy> zuerst habe ich ja gedacht das es mit mods und texturenpack zusammenhängt aber habe alles davon gelöscht
#832 [15:39] <Wug> ive experienced dramatically different performance between windows and linux on the same computer and the same network
#833 [15:41] <Boreeas> mib_az8boy: Kann ein verstopfter lüfter sein, glaub ich aber eher nicht
#834 [15:43] <mib_az8boy> lüfter könnte sein weil deerzeit mein laptob zurzeit so überlastet sit
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#836 [15:49] <mib_az8boy> ich habe gerade geschaut wenn ich minecraft einzelspieler spiele ist cpu-auslastung bei 94%
#837 [15:51] <Boreeas> mib_az8boy: Tja, ich verstehe allerdings noch nicht warum das bis voer zwei Monaten noch lief
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#839 [15:53] <mib_az8boy> vieleicht habe ich mein computer mit irgendwas zugemüllt
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#841 [15:58] <Boreeas> Vielleicht
#842 [16:06] <mib_az8boy> Ich habe jetzt mal alles zugemacht dan minecraft gespielt dann wars besser mit den laggs
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#845 [16:08] <mib_az8boy> welche java version istb am besten für minecraft?
#846 [16:11] <Boreeas> 1.6_30
#847 [16:12] <mib_az8boy> ich habe die version 6
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#849 [16:28] <Cryophile> woah german
#850 [16:29] <Boreeas> Yay german
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#852 [16:37] <Mibbit> Hello
#853 [16:37] <Mibbit> I have a quesion
#854 [16:37] <Mibbit> I have a quesion
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#858 [16:58] <adde> hello, can i get some help?
#859 [16:58] <GreyVulpine> With?
#860 [16:59] <adde> i wanna install some plugins on a server. a 24/7 server. how do i do?
#861 [16:59] <GreyVulpine> Is it running bukkit?
#862 [16:59] <adde> ya
#863 [17:00] <GreyVulpine> Then find the plugins for bukkit at http://plugins.bukkit.org/#ti=&ta=all&au=&subm=false&pno=0 and place them in your server's plugins folder
#864 [17:00] <adde> ok, thanks. do i need to convert them or something first?
#865 [17:00] <GreyVulpine> Nope, those plugins are made for bukkit
#866 [17:00] <adde> thanks so much :D
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#868 [17:03] <adde> ehm... well. this isent exactely folders. its on the internet. not my own pc
#869 [17:04] <GreyVulpine> If you have FTP or file access to your server, you'll place the plugins in the plugins folder of your server. If you've got a game management console of some sort, you'll most likely have to talk to the hosting company to see how to add plugins
#870 [17:04] <Boreeas> adde: How do you get access to your server? FTP, admin panel, something else?
#871 [17:04] <GreyVulpine> Not every hosting company uses the same admin panel, so there's no comprehensive way of pointing people in the right direction... other than to just contact them directly
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#873 [17:06] <Boreeas> Well yeah, that's what I would've told him
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#875 [17:06] <Boreeas> Before you had to ninja me :(
#876 [17:06] * GreyVulpine winks
#876 [17:07] <adde> ya, i have access to the whole server
#877 [17:07] <Boreeas> Then I would recommend getting a program such as FileZilla
#878 [17:09] <Jammy> When making own server... I take it the graphic card on the server isn't gonna do much? a server just acts as a number cruncher so doesn't need any graphical ability?
#879 [17:10] * GreyVulpine nods, "RAM, CPU, HDD, Upload bandwidth."
#879 [17:11] <Jammy> Good good :)
#880 [17:11] <Jammy> any suggestion on up line size per 10 players?
#881 [17:12] <w> Could someone throw me the port forwarding instructions?
#882 [17:12] <GreyVulpine> w - 25565/TCP
#883 [17:12] <Sennyotai> w: Goto http://goo.gl/DsVIL and click on your router model, skip the PFConfig Ad, and follow the instructions to set up port forwarding! :D
#884 [17:12] <GreyVulpine> I usually use a rule of thumb of 50-150K/sec per concurrent player on the server.
#885 [17:13] <GreyVulpine> Call it an even 100K for estimating purposes.
#886 [17:13] <Sennyotai> GreyVulpine: so i coudl technicly run 4 people :P
#887 [17:13] <GreyVulpine> I... suppose?
#888 [17:14] <Sennyotai> .4mbps
#889 [17:14] <Sennyotai> roughly
#890 [17:14] * GreyVulpine winces
#890 [17:14] <Sennyotai> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1750215248.png
#891 [17:15] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, that's .4 Megabits per second...
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#893 [17:16] <GreyVulpine> !calc .4*1024/8
#894 [17:16] <GreyBot> Answer: 51.2
#895 [17:17] <GreyVulpine> Or roughly 51 kilobytes/sec, not really enough for one person
#896 [17:17] <Sennyotai> meh. thought so
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#898 [17:23] <Wug> you could probably run one person on it
#899 [17:23] <Wug> wouldnt be very much fun though
#900 [17:25] <Sennyotai> 1+owner?
#901 [17:25] <Sennyotai> :P
#902 [17:26] <Sennyotai> but yes.. i know my internet sucks monkeyballs
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#904 [17:26] <GreyVulpine> That's one way of putting it...
#905 [17:26] <Sennyotai> DSL.. Damn Slow Line.
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#907 [17:32] <w> ;help
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#909 [17:33] <w> ;check 86.167.203.239
#910 [17:33] <WugBot> 86.167.203.239:25565 seems to host a minecraft server: Fluttershy > Scootaloo (1/20)
#911 [17:34] <w> I don't suppose there's a way to set a domain up to follow a dynamic IP, is there?
#912 [17:34] <GreyVulpine> Try a dynamic DNS service like http://www.no-ip.com/
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#914 [17:37] <Sennyotai> or http://free.domain.name
#915 [17:38] <Sennyotai> aka dyndns
#916 [17:38] <GreyVulpine> dyndns is no longer free
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#919 [17:39] <Cryophile> I use afraid.org still
#920 [17:41] <Sennyotai> you can 'try for 14 days'.. then you can keep one hostname fre after that
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#922 [17:42] <GreyVulpine> For dyndns.org?
#923 [17:42] <Sennyotai> free.domain.name = dyndns
#924 [17:42] <Sennyotai> You currently do not have any DynDNS hosts. Try a free 14 day trial of DynDNS Pro - a great opportunity for users to test out one of our most popular services. You may keep one hostname free of charge for trying Pro.
#925 [17:42] <bearbear12345_DS> u need creditcard?
#926 [17:42] <Sennyotai> bearbear12345_DS: dunno.. test-regging another account
#927 [17:43] <GreyVulpine> Ah, huh. That's new
#928 [17:43] <bearbear12345_DS> hmm
#929 [17:43] <Sennyotai> oh... you do need a credit card to use the trial.
#930 [17:43] <bearbear12345_DS> im using afraid.org's dns
#931 [17:43] <bearbear12345_DS> but i want a free custom domain ....
#932 [17:43] <Sennyotai> eh, i got my account back when they did it free...
#933 [17:43] <Sennyotai> no-ip is good as well
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#935 [17:46] <bigcj> i need help with someone joining my server
#936 [17:46] <GreyVulpine> What kind of help?
#937 [17:49] <bigcj> well one of my friends are trying to join my server from the same internet connection and they cant
#938 [17:49] <bigcj> do what will i need to do
#939 [17:50] <Sennyotai> bigcj: theyre on the same local network (as in theyre at your house trying to connect)?
#940 [17:50] <bigcj> yea
#941 [17:51] <Sennyotai> bigcj: give them the internal/local/private IP. the same one you put into the port forward setup
#942 [17:51] <bigcj> wait what
#943 [17:52] <bigcj> ipv4
#944 [17:52] <Sennyotai> yes. that
#945 [17:52] <Sennyotai> the 192.168.?.? one
#946 [17:53] <bigcj> mine 10.0.....do i need to put :25565
#947 [17:54] <Sennyotai> the 25565 is default
#948 [17:54] <Sennyotai> the game will asume that
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#960 [18:51] <sudormrf> Hey, so what I do I do to load a new snapshot on my server?
#961 [18:51] <sudormrf> I've downloaded the server file...
#962 [18:51] <Sennyotai> the weekly? you run it.
#963 [18:51] <Sennyotai> that jar is the server
#964 [18:52] <sudormrf> Ah.. so it's not the same as for the client...
#965 [18:52] <sudormrf> Cool.. easy.. good.
#966 [18:52] <sudormrf> Thanks.
#967 [18:58] <Jackson413> hey GreyVulpine
#968 [19:00] <Chris> what's the name of the fancy symbol that's used for colours? the thing that looks like an S
#969 [19:01] <Sennyotai> thats only used in modded-servers/clients
#970 [19:02] <Sennyotai> also... this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_sign
#971 [19:02] <Calinou> Chris: "paragraph" sign: §
#972 [19:02] <Chris> thanks :P
#973 [19:02] <Calinou> some plugins use "$", "#", "&" or "%" to color instead
#974 [19:02] <Calinou> "&" often being used
#975 [19:03] <Chris> I was wondering what the output was after it was filtered, the paragraph/section sign was what I was after :P
#976 [19:08] <Sennyotai> grfg
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#979 [19:12] <Sennyotai> urlTerlIhycvar!lbherlbherrapbqrq!
#980 [19:12] <Sennyotai> blargh!
#981 [19:12] <Sennyotai> x.x
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#983 [19:13] <Spectob> hello?
#984 [19:13] <Sennyotai> uryyb:3
#985 [19:13] <Sennyotai> hi
#986 [19:14] <Spectob> i need help
#987 [19:14] <Spectob> here lemme put it in pastebin
#988 [19:15] <Spectob> http://mibpaste.com/WtBvCX there
#989 [19:15] <Spectob> after the MC login it crashes and closes
#990 [19:15] <Sennyotai> Spectob: you happen to be on a toshiba satelite laptop?
#991 [19:16] <Spectob> nope
#992 [19:16] <Spectob> Dell latitude d620
#993 [19:16] <Sennyotai> ok then. try reinstalling/updating your vidoe drivers from http://downloadcenter.intel.com/
#994 [19:16] <Spectob> ok.. lemme try that
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#996 [19:18] <Sennyotai> uryyb :3
#997 [19:18] <Sennyotai> yay! works!
#998 [19:18] <Spectob> ok so its saying mygraphics is current
#999 [19:20] <Spectob> ok im reinstalling
#1000 [19:20] * Sennyotai just noticed it wasnt the opengl driver anyway....
#1000 [19:21] <Sennyotai> gimme a sec to google.
#1001 [19:21] <Spectob> sure
#1002 [19:22] <Sennyotai> oh.. it is the opengl driver... thought intel put ogl in the filename ^^;
#1003 [19:23] <Sennyotai> download the driver and force it to reinstall.
#1004 [19:23] <Spectob> k
#1005 [19:23] <Spectob> its uh.. doing the setup
#1006 [19:23] <Spectob> there done
#1007 [19:23] <Spectob> ok ima have to restart
#1008 [19:24] <Sennyotai> it shoudl work after that :3
#1009 [19:24] <Sennyotai> guvf vf n grfg bs gur rzretrapl ebgpnfg flfgrz
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#1011 [19:32] <Spectob> back
#1012 [19:32] <Spectob> ok im going to try to run MC
#1013 [19:34] <Spectob> IT WORKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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#1016 [19:37] <Coll> dam trying to figure out how to generate this map is difficult
#1017 [19:38] <ilogixx> Hey if someone could help me out it would be awesome, im trying to purchase the game, and ive made three different accounts verified with three different emails and each time i try to login i keep gettins Oops Invalid username/pw errors. im typing everything correctly.
#1018 [19:39] <Omega_Guardian> maybe capslock is on? Not sure if spaces in the username or password works.
#1019 [19:40] <Sennyotai> ilogixx: youre verifying them... meanign your migrating to the unified mojang accounts, correct? use email address not username
#1020 [19:40] <ilogixx> i dont have a mojang account im registering directly from minecraft.net
#1021 [19:42] <Sennyotai> ilogixx: still... try using your email address if logging in by the website.
#1022 [19:42] <ilogixx> yeah did that, same error
#1023 [19:42] <ilogixx> =[
#1024 [19:42] <ilogixx> lol
#1025 [19:42] <Sennyotai> :senduser
#1026 [19:42] <WugBot> senduser: You can retrieve all minecraft accounts registered using your email address using the following page: http://www.minecraft.net/retrievename
#1027 [19:42] <Sennyotai> :resetpass
#1028 [19:42] <WugBot> resetpass: You can reset the password for your minecraft account using the following page: http://www.minecraft.net/resetpassword
#1029 [19:43] <Sennyotai> try doign those.
#1030 [19:43] <ilogixx> ok thanks give me a couple minutes, i appreciate the help
#1031 [19:45] <ilogixx> Same error =\
#1032 [19:46] <ilogixx> the username password combo works if i try to login via client it just says User not premium because i havent purchased yet, but its not letting me login on the website to purchase, lol
#1033 [19:47] * Sennyotai scratches head
#1033 [19:48] <ilogixx> agrees,
#1034 [19:48] <Sennyotai> try a different browser?
#1035 [19:48] <ilogixx> kk
#1036 [19:48] <Sennyotai> it sounds more like the browser is being a prob instead of the site ^^;
#1037 [19:48] <Sennyotai> or the browser 'remembers' a passwordf and isnt letting you use any other <.<
#1038 [19:49] <Sennyotai> had that happen on a few sites... usually school related sites :/
#1039 [19:50] <ilogixx> no dice
#1040 [19:50] <ilogixx> My main is Chrome, used firefox and iE to no avail
#1041 [19:50] <ilogixx> let me go upstairs and try a different computer/browser , brb
#1042 [19:51] <Sennyotai> GreyVulpine: any idea on this? or it some sort of random site derpery?
#1043 [19:52] <ilogixx> nope that didnt work either
#1044 [19:53] <Sennyotai> ilogixx: did you reset the pass? and the new pass worked in client but not website?
#1045 [19:54] <ilogixx> yup
#1046 [19:54] <ilogixx> no matter what i try i just keep getting Oops, unknown username or password
#1047 [19:55] <ilogixx> yet the client is recognizing it but saying i'm not premium
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#1049 [19:56] <ilogixx> its an annoying headscratcher at this point lol
#1050 [19:56] <Sennyotai> yeah... *pokes wug as well*
#1051 [19:57] <Sennyotai> i'd call it site login derpery... but not sure it is.
#1052 [19:57] * Sennyotai goes and passresets the 'notpremium, not migrated' account
#1052 [19:58] <ilogixx> where do you usually register that would cause you to migrate? should i try that?
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#1054 [20:00] <Sennyotai> erm....
#1055 [20:01] <Sennyotai> o.o;;; molstam borked the account page
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#1058 [20:03] <Wug> mM?
#1059 [20:04] <ilogixx> :'(
#1060 [20:04] <Sennyotai> website login is being derpy for ilogixx...
#1061 [20:04] <Wug> Sennyotai: doop
#1062 [20:04] <Wug> website only?
#1063 [20:04] <ilogixx> yes just website
#1064 [20:04] <ilogixx> client is recognizing my user/pw combo
#1065 [20:04] <Wug> dont clear your password from the client
#1066 [20:04] <Wug> uhh wait
#1067 [20:05] <Wug> have you tried clearing cookies
#1068 [20:05] <ilogixx> but i cant login to purchase the game and go premium
#1069 [20:05] <ilogixx> i tried clearing cookies and ive used three different computers
#1070 [20:05] <ilogixx> and a cell phone
#1071 [20:05] <Wug> huh
#1072 [20:05] <Sennyotai> exactly why im stumped
#1073 [20:06] <Wug> :ts/launcher > ilogixx
#1074 [20:06] <WugBot> ilogixx: (ts/launcher) Use this launcher to help troubleshoot minecraft. It saves a log called minecraft.log containing any errors minecraft may have encountered as it was running. To use it, simply download and double click.
#1075 [20:06] <WugBot> ilogixx: (ts/launcher) Troubleshooting Minecraft Launcher (All Operating Systems): http://wug.me/minecraft/illegal/MCH-Launcher.jar
#1076 [20:06] <Sennyotai> that... and account.mojang.com is loop-redirecting
#1077 [20:06] <ilogixx> all i keep getting is Oops, unknown username or password
#1078 [20:06] <Wug> download that
#1079 [20:06] <ilogixx> and ive registered 3 different accounts in the last 2 hours
#1080 [20:06] <Wug> umm
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#1082 [20:07] <Wug> I can login to the website
#1083 [20:07] <Wug> weird indeed
#1084 [20:08] <Wug> ilogixx: try that client
#1085 [20:08] <Wug> it has a button in the options menu called "show password"
#1086 [20:09] <Wug> click that and make sure the password is what you expect it to be
#1087 [20:10] <ilogixx> yup
#1088 [20:13] <ilogixx> i just got into the account.mojang.com , re registered with my email. im logged into that
#1089 [20:13] <ilogixx> but its still no recognizing me on minecraft.net
#1090 [20:13] <ilogixx> not*
#1091 [20:14] <ilogixx> rawr. >:| lol
#1092 [20:17] <ilogixx> this is driving me crazy lol
#1093 [20:18] * Sennyotai stil cant get on account.mojang.com .... and is starting to think theres a storm in the amazon cloud :P
#1093 [20:19] <ilogixx> maybe i should just try later tonight or tomorrow and see what happens :(
#1094 [20:20] <Sennyotai> possibly... you coudl also try and use the trouble-form-thing
#1095 [20:20] <Sennyotai> anyway... reboot time
#1096 [20:21] <ilogixx> Wug: any ideas?
#1097 [20:22] <Wug> ilogixx: try waiting a while
#1098 [20:22] <ilogixx> kk thats what i figured
#1099 [20:22] <Wug> hmm or
#1100 [20:22] <ilogixx> thanks for trying to help guys =]
#1101 [20:22] <Wug> you have a mojang account? try using the email address in the username field
#1102 [20:22] <ilogixx> done that
#1103 [20:23] <ilogixx> i can login to the mojang account but it doesnt recognize it on minecraft.net
#1104 [20:25] <Wug> try waiting a while then
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#1106 [20:26] <ilogixx> np, thanks for trying =]
#1107 [20:26] <Wug> ilogixx: we cant really help with backend account issues like this
#1108 [20:26] <ilogixx> its no biggie i just figured id give it a go
#1109 [20:26] <Wug> so if it still isnt working later, you should visit here: http://is.gd/G3zPKi
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#1114 [21:26] <PicklishDoorknob> help, black screen issue
#1115 [21:26] <PicklishDoorknob> I think Wug helped me last time
#1116 [21:26] <Wug> install any mods or texture packs
#1117 [21:26] <Wug> ?
#1118 [21:26] <PicklishDoorknob> used TeamViewer and installed an oldversion of Java or somethin like that
#1119 [21:26] <PicklishDoorknob> no
#1120 [21:27] <langkid1> does anyone know how to authenticate with the login servers with a PHP script?
#1121 [21:27] <langkid1> or if it's possible?
#1122 [21:27] <Wug> langkid1: possible, yes
#1123 [21:27] <PicklishDoorknob> I have v6u30 java
#1124 [21:27] <Wug> PicklishDoorknob: same computer?
#1125 [21:27] <PicklishDoorknob> yes
#1126 [21:27] <Wug> havent changed anything?
#1127 [21:27] <PicklishDoorknob> updated java
#1128 [21:27] <langkid1> Wug, ok because I'm making a whitelist submissions script and I want to validate that people: 1) own the account 2) have paid
#1129 [21:27] <Wug> PicklishDoorknob: did it start when you updated java?
#1130 [21:28] <PicklishDoorknob> did what start?
#1131 [21:28] <PicklishDoorknob> minecraft?
#1132 [21:28] <Wug> the blackscreens
#1133 [21:28] <PicklishDoorknob> yes
#1134 [21:28] <Wug> well, roll back to the version that worked
#1135 [21:28] <PicklishDoorknob> I just need t get an older version
#1136 [21:28] <PicklishDoorknob> how?
#1137 [21:28] <Wug> do you remember what version worked
#1138 [21:28] <PicklishDoorknob> no
#1139 [21:28] <Wug> -.-
#1140 [21:29] <PicklishDoorknob> how do I get older versions?
#1141 [21:29] <Wug> :java/archive
#1142 [21:29] <WugBot> java/archive: You can download old versions of java from here: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/archive-139210.html
#1143 [21:29] <PicklishDoorknob> ok
#1144 [21:29] <PicklishDoorknob> you have a bot :O
#1145 [21:29] <Wug> I had a bot last time too :)
#1146 [21:29] <Wug> its been here for a while
#1147 [21:30] <|Kiikun|Janus|> langkid1: um.. your going to ask people to put the mcpasses in? sorry. not gonna do
#1148 [21:30] <langkid1> |Kiikun|Janus|, the passwords would not be stored past the script
#1149 [21:30] * langkid1 can put in SSL
#1149 [21:30] <PicklishDoorknob> so I should install Java SE 7?
#1150 [21:30] <PicklishDoorknob> or 6?
#1151 [21:30] <langkid1> PicklishDoorknob, 6
#1152 [21:30] <PicklishDoorknob> ok
#1153 [21:31] <|Kiikun|Janus|> i wouldnt trust it. no matter how many times yo say 'it doesnt save' i wouldnt ever sign up :P
#1154 [21:31] <PicklishDoorknob> for windows, what do x86 and x64 mean?
#1155 [21:32] <|Kiikun|Janus|> langkid1: better option... have them use the manual login and match the server login check.
#1156 [21:32] <langkid1> eh?
#1157 [21:32] <langkid1> oh you mean from the server...
#1158 [21:32] <|Kiikun|Janus|> no. the links vox noticed you
#1159 [21:32] <PicklishDoorknob> for windows, what do x86 and x64 mean?
#1160 [21:32] <langkid1> o.o okkaayy
#1161 [21:32] <|Kiikun|Janus|> PicklishDoorknob: x86 = 32bit
#1162 [21:33] <|Kiikun|Janus|> x64 = 64bit
#1163 [21:33] <PicklishDoorknob> ok
#1164 [21:33] <langkid1> |Kiikun|Janus|, so, have them login to Minecraft.net or login to the Client and then run that?
#1165 [21:33] <|Kiikun|Janus|> nonono...
#1166 [21:33] <|Kiikun|Janus|> ?? login
#1167 [21:33] <VoxelHead> login: http://session.minecraft.net/game/joinserver.jsp?user=Meep&sessionId=test&serverId=test
#1168 [21:33] <VoxelHead> login: https://login.minecraft.net/?user=Meep&password=notreal&version=13
#1169 [21:33] <langkid1> wut?
#1170 [21:33] <|Kiikun|Janus|> those links
#1171 [21:34] <langkid1> put the user info into those?
#1172 [21:35] <|Kiikun|Janus|> have the user put their info in. the n paste the session id so you can compare.
#1173 [21:35] <|Kiikun|Janus|> youre basicly doing the server login manually.
#1174 [21:35] <langkid1> what's the session ID?
#1175 [21:35] <Wug> you get that as a response from logging in
#1176 [21:36] <langkid1> you mean this string of numbers that I got back when i put in my login into that?
#1177 [21:36] <langkid1> it also includes the word "deprecated" :(
#1178 [21:36] <Wug> that specific region is deprecated
#1179 [21:37] <ilogixx> Wug: IT FINALLY WORKED!!
#1180 [21:37] <ilogixx> *sexy dance* *sexy dance*
#1181 [21:37] <langkid1> Wug, so how would this be used to authenticate?
#1182 [21:37] <langkid1> what do the parts between the ':'s mean?
#1183 [21:38] <Wug> langkid1: one of them is the username
#1184 [21:38] <|Kiikun|Janus|> field 3 is properly formatted username
#1185 [21:38] <Wug> which must be provided exactly as shown
#1186 [21:38] <|Kiikun|Janus|> i think 4 is session id
#1187 [21:38] <Wug> and the long number is the session id
#1188 [21:38] <PicklishDoorknob> Why do I need to create an Oracle.com account to install Java, I didn't have to before
#1189 [21:38] <Wug> PicklishDoorknob: its only to download older versions
#1190 [21:38] <PicklishDoorknob> oh
#1191 [21:39] <langkid1> Wug, but there's two long numbers!
#1192 [21:39] <langkid1> and how would the session ID matter, and what is it?!
#1193 [21:39] <|Kiikun|Janus|> langkid1: the session is is what gets matched by the server
#1194 [21:39] <langkid1> so why would I need it?
#1195 [21:39] <Wug> you need it to login to servers
#1196 [21:39] <langkid1> can I just have the script test if it returns "Bad login"?
#1197 [21:40] <langkid1> ...
#1198 [21:40] <Wug> bad login means the username or password is wrong
#1199 [21:40] <langkid1> but I'm not developing something to login to servers, I need to just find out if the user acc logs in
#1200 [21:40] <Wug> so not if you want anything meaningful
#1201 [21:40] <langkid1> I just want to know if they own the acc >_>
#1202 [21:40] <langkid1> aka, the passwd and user are right
#1203 [21:40] <Wug> first of all
#1204 [21:40] <|Kiikun|Janus|> langkid1: youre going to be asking users to log into your website.
#1205 [21:41] <|Kiikun|Janus|> with their minecraft info...
#1206 [21:41] <langkid1> no :<
#1207 [21:41] <langkid1> I'm not :(
#1208 [21:41] <Wug> if you're making a program you expect people to put their minecraft info into
#1209 [21:41] <|Kiikun|Janus|> that. is. a. nono.
#1210 [21:41] <Wug> you're doing it wrong
#1211 [21:41] <langkid1> My script currently is operating on "trust"
#1212 [21:41] <Wug> well I wouldnt trust it
#1213 [21:41] <langkid1> I assume that the user owns that account
#1214 [21:41] <Wug> not with a 100 foot botnet
#1215 [21:41] <|Kiikun|Janus|> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
#1216 [21:42] <|Kiikun|Janus|> langkid1: and youre forcing the user to trust you with their login info
#1217 [21:42] <Wug> if they can log into a server you host thats good enough
#1218 [21:42] <PicklishDoorknob> it says Please address Password field validation error. when I try to create an account with a perfectly good pasword.
#1219 [21:42] <PicklishDoorknob> oracle.com account
#1220 [21:42] <Wug> PicklishDoorknob: read the password guidelines again
#1221 [21:43] <PicklishDoorknob> i did
#1222 [21:43] <langkid1> |Kiikun|Janus|, the script wouldn't hold it past the next page :<
#1223 [21:43] <PicklishDoorknob> i followed all of them
#1224 [21:43] <langkid1> and this would be explained in big bold text
#1225 [21:43] <Wug> you mustve missed one
#1226 [21:43] <SinZ> langkid1: it says deprecated in it, because it used to contain a download ticket system, which got ditched
#1227 [21:43] <PicklishDoorknob> no
#1228 [21:43] <|Kiikun|Janus|> langkid1: its the fact youre asking someone for their password. i wouldnt even trust putting my password in via a javascript.. much less a php script
#1229 [21:43] <PicklishDoorknob> it's alphanumeric, 12 characters, and has both upper and lowercase letters
#1230 [21:44] <|Kiikun|Janus|> SinZ: the first or last field the sessionid?
#1231 [21:44] <SinZ> Not sessionID, the output of login.minecraft.net
#1232 [21:45] <|Kiikun|Janus|> :P nm...
#1233 [21:45] <PicklishDoorknob> oracle.com password doesn't work!
#1234 [21:45] <SinZ> currentversiontimestamp:deprecated:username:sessionid
#1235 [21:45] <Wug> PicklishDoorknob: you entered the same password in both boxes right
#1236 [21:45] <PicklishDoorknob> yes...
#1237 [21:45] <Wug> you're absolutely 100% sure
#1238 [21:45] <langkid1> |Kiikun|Janus|, Well this script is for making a submission to me for joining my server!
#1239 [21:45] <PicklishDoorknob> yes
#1240 [21:45] * |Kiikun|Janus| thinks the first field is either static at 1326######### or is the userDB-id
#1240 [21:45] <PicklishDoorknob> i just checked
#1241 [21:46] <langkid1> I wouldn't want to develop a plugin, AND run another server just to have them auth
#1242 [21:46] <Wug> well, then I cant do anything
#1243 [21:46] <|Kiikun|Janus|> langkid1: yes.. and you shoudl only be askign the username.
#1244 [21:46] <PicklishDoorknob> :(\
#1245 [21:46] <SinZ> Kiikun: its the current version of minecraft in timestamp
#1246 [21:46] <Wug> just get teamviewer
#1247 [21:46] <PicklishDoorknob> have it
#1248 [21:46] <|Kiikun|Janus|> ah.
#1249 [21:46] <langkid1> |Kiikun|Janus|, but how would I know that they own the account and are not just spamming the script?
#1250 [21:46] <SinZ> http://wiki.vg/Authentication#Login
#1251 [21:47] <|Kiikun|Janus|> langkid1: you wouldnt. and anyone with a SLIGHT bit of net-inteligence would never use what youre trying to make.
#1252 [21:47] <langkid1> |Kiikun|Janus|, can you tell me how to add spam prevention to my script?
#1253 [21:48] <|Kiikun|Janus|> you SAY it doesnt save. theres no way for an end user to see that
#1254 [21:48] <SinZ> Get them to join a verify server, that instantly kicks with a verification code, that they gotta put into the submission
#1255 [21:48] <|Kiikun|Janus|> SinZ: i was just tryign to get him to have them manually login and match-by-sessionID
#1256 [21:49] <|Kiikun|Janus|> safe, secure, and whats actually used by the server itself!
#1257 [21:49] <Wug> multiplayer servers never see the session id
#1258 [21:50] <|Kiikun|Janus|> oh...
#1259 [21:50] <SinZ> you sure?
#1260 [21:50] <Wug> 100%
#1261 [21:50] * |Kiikun|Janus| forgets how it compares then
#1261 [21:50] <langkid1> SinZ's site says that the server does the whole serverID stuff too
#1262 [21:50] <SinZ> owait, its session.minecraft.net that compares it
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#1264 [21:50] <|Kiikun|Janus|> i thought the server asked the session id and passed to the login
#1265 [21:50] <Wug> nope
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#1267 [21:50] <langkid1> so now I gotta do what, steal from MCSignOnDoor and emulate the server?
#1268 [21:51] <Wug> ;addalt Grim_Reaper Grim|Detached
#1269 [21:51] <WugBot> Registered Grim|Detached as alt nick of Grim_Reaper.
#1270 [21:51] <SinZ> Server gives client a server hash
#1271 [21:51] <langkid1> Wug, -NickServ- Grim|Detached is not registered.
#1272 [21:51] <Wug> which is a random number btw
#1273 [21:51] <Wug> langkid1: dont care
#1274 [21:51] <langkid1> you sure you wanna give bot admin to a unregistered nick?
#1275 [21:51] <langkid1> okkaayy
#1276 [21:51] <SinZ> Client sends session.minecraft.net sessionid and serverhash, if output is yes, send login
#1277 [21:51] <Wug> -WugBot/+#minecrafthelp- Grim|Detached (199.115.230.168) was last in this channel as 'Grim_Reaper' [6 hours, 58 minutes, 1 second ago]
#1278 [21:52] <SinZ> then server checks by sending username and serverhash to session
#1279 [21:52] <|Kiikun|Janus|> langkid1: i doubt wug woudl give me a command that woudl let me takeover control of his bot :P
#1280 [21:53] * |Kiikun|Janus| is fairly sure addalt is just for the notices
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#1281 [21:53] <Wug> ^
#1282 [21:53] <PicklishDoorknob_Away> XD
#1283 [21:55] <|Kiikun|Janus|> langkid1: you could always just leave it to checkign 'haspaid'. would limit the 'i r spam yer php! and whitelist!!!' to only ACTUAL minecraft accounts
#1284 [21:56] <|Kiikun|Janus|> anything you do the 'authenticate' the user will just end up makign you spam minecraft.net
#1285 [21:57] <SinZ> Kiikun: you can do that with any server too
#1286 [21:59] <langkid1> |Kiikun|Janus|, the point is that they would authenticate with MC.net to make sure they OWN the acc, also my script has a built in exit IF statement in case they've already submitted
#1287 [21:59] <|Kiikun|Janus|> im thinking more of someone sitting there with a 'generate randomness and spam this whitelist application page' script
#1288 [21:59] <langkid1> me too >_>
#1289 [22:00] <|Kiikun|Janus|> langkid1: but your makign the user GIVE YOU THEIR PASSWORD. it doesnt matter if its saves past the page or not. the enduser cant confirm what is done with it after they press submit
#1290 [22:01] <|Kiikun|Janus|> thats my main issue here.
#1291 [22:02] <Wug> langkid1: do it right or dont do it
#1292 [22:02] <langkid1> f this I found a script http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/955486-php-login-via-minecraft/
#1293 [22:02] <SinZ> could always make them have a mcbans account
#1294 [22:02] <SinZ> mcbans does a verify system
#1295 [22:03] <SinZ> by giving people a verification code, then having them join there minecraft server
#1296 [22:03] <SinZ> and entering the code ingame
#1297 [22:03] <langkid1> SinZ I am highly against MCBans and their other pornography sites
#1298 [22:04] <SinZ> ofc your agenst MCBans...
#1299 [22:04] <|Kiikun|Janus|> langkid1: *points to post number 5 on your link*
#1300 [22:04] <SinZ> but not agenst having your script handle random peoples passwords
#1301 [22:05] <langkid1> this is my current script http://langkid1.me/apply
#1302 [22:05] <langkid1> don't spam it bro, or I'll IP-ban you
#1303 [22:06] <SinZ> Thats all thats needed...
#1304 [22:06] <Wug> langkid1: add a verification code field
#1305 [22:06] <Wug> under minecraft ign
#1306 [22:06] <langkid1> what's that?
#1307 [22:07] <Wug> then host a verification server
#1308 [22:07] <|Kiikun|Janus|> captcha?
#1309 [22:07] * langkid1 slams head on table
#1309 [22:07] <SinZ> Wug: what I said
#1310 [22:07] <langkid1> |Kiikun|Janus|, GOOD IDEA
#1311 [22:07] <SinZ> he doesnt want to run a second server
#1312 [22:07] * langkid1 opens NetBeans for PHP
#1312 [22:07] <langkid1> Wug, I don't have a VPS anymore
#1313 [22:07] <SinZ> <SinZ> Get them to join a verify server, that instantly kicks with a verification code, that they gotta put into the submission
#1314 [22:07] <Wug> you dont need a vps
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#1316 [22:07] <Wug> you could do it in php on the site
#1317 [22:08] <langkid1> SinZ, but then I'd have to emulate the Minecraft server environment
#1318 [22:08] <Wug> you'd have to make apache do something stupid to listen on the port
#1319 [22:08] <SinZ> only packet01 and packet 02 is needed
#1320 [22:08] <Wug> and it would be better to have a standalone program to do it
#1321 [22:08] <Wug> but you wouldnt need a whole minecraft server
#1322 [22:08] <SinZ> as soon as you receieve a login packet, check if its legit, then kick
#1323 [22:08] <langkid1> Wug, I don't even have access to PHP settings :<
#1324 [22:08] <Wug> langkid1: can you run a java program
#1325 [22:08] <langkid1> not as far as I know
#1326 [22:08] <Wug> or python
#1327 [22:08] <Wug> or any other language
#1328 [22:09] <langkid1> the only thing I get from my free host is PHP
#1329 [22:09] <Wug> where are you hosting your minecraft server from
#1330 [22:09] <langkid1> home
#1331 [22:09] <Wug> host it from there
#1332 [22:09] <langkid1> web server is free hosting from 000webhost
#1333 [22:09] <langkid1> Wug, D: the PC hosting on it can't handle any more, it only has 1GB of RAM
#1334 [22:09] <Wug> it will take like 150 bytes per hit to host
#1335 [22:09] <Wug> you could host this on a watch
#1336 [22:10] <langkid1> ok
#1337 [22:10] <Wug> if you had a watch with internet
#1338 [22:10] <langkid1> you do it first >:)
#1339 [22:10] <langkid1> oh there is such thing
#1340 [22:10] <SinZ> Recieve byte(2), string(username), send byte(2), string(serverhash).
#1341 [22:11] <Wug> http://www.3gwatches.com/watchphone1.html
#1342 [22:11] <Wug> the amount of resources you would need to run this would be utterly trival
#1343 [22:11] <Wug> trivial
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#1345 [22:12] <SinZ> Recieve byte(1), int(ignore), string(username), long(ignore), int(ignore), byte(ignore), byte(ignore), byte(ignore), byte(ignore)
#1346 [22:12] <langkid1> Wug, so I could run it off a calculator, that's what you're saying?
#1347 [22:12] <Wug> you could
#1348 [22:12] <langkid1> SinZ, and that's REALLY gonna work in PHP?
#1349 [22:12] <SinZ> send username and the serverhash to session.minecraft.net
#1350 [22:12] * langkid1 goes to ask Netbeans
#1350 [22:12] <Wug> if you had a calculator with intrenet
#1351 [22:12] <SinZ> langkid1: iv seen classic minecraft bots in php
#1352 [22:12] <Wug> you'd need like 1MB of ram
#1353 [22:12] <Wug> probably less
#1354 [22:12] <langkid1> Wug, I'm not hosting a server just to auth
#1355 [22:13] <SinZ> its a small php script, simple.
#1356 [22:13] <Wug> well then why are you bothering with a registration form
#1357 [22:13] <langkid1> Wug, because I need people to register for my server
#1358 [22:13] <langkid1> but i'm not gonna run ANOTHER server
#1359 [22:13] <Wug> if you're that adamant about it then verify that the accounts are theirs personally
#1360 [22:13] <SinZ> Cant really call a server that only understands 2 recieve packets and 3 send packets
#1361 [22:13] <Wug> or dont bother verifying at all
#1362 [22:14] <langkid1> just too much trouble to code the server emulator and then code the script to receive info from the server, and then code the server to send to PHP
#1363 [22:14] <Wug> but if you use something that collects passwords youll get bant from everywhere
#1364 [22:14] <SinZ> Cant call it an emulator
#1365 [22:14] <langkid1> Wug, unless I can prove that it doesn't collect passwds
#1366 [22:15] <SinZ> cant really prove it
#1367 [22:15] <langkid1> putting in SSL would also make it look better
#1368 [22:15] <langkid1> SinZ you can't prove anything anymore :<
#1369 [22:15] <Wug> langkid1: yes you can
#1370 [22:15] <Wug> if you dont enter your password into it, it doesnt collect passwors\ds
#1371 [22:15] <SinZ> ^
#1372 [22:15] * langkid1 throws a brick at Wug
#1372 [22:15] * SinZ throws a brickwall at langkid1
#1372 [22:16] * Wug throws every brick at langkid1
#1372 [22:16] * langkid1 uses a stone wall to protect himself
#1372 [22:16] * |Kiikun|Janus| drops Rockafella Center on langkid1
#1372 [22:16] * Eddie throws a mental brick at langkid1
#1372 [22:16] <|Kiikun|Janus|> Eddie: lol
#1373 [22:16] <langkid1> what's "Rockafella Center"?
#1374 [22:16] * SinZ hugs AuBot and throws a hammer at langkid1
#1374 [22:16] <Wug> you need to learn a thing or two about safe
#1375 [22:16] <|Kiikun|Janus|> langkid1: ever been to new york?
#1376 [22:16] <Wug> handshakes
#1377 [22:16] <langkid1> nope
#1378 [22:16] <Eddie> Excuse me
#1379 [22:17] <Eddie> it's centRE*
#1380 [22:17] <Eddie> :3
#1381 [22:17] <|Kiikun|Janus|> ever watch new york at christmas time?
#1382 [22:17] <langkid1> nope
#1383 [22:17] <Wug> Eddie: its centre where you live
#1384 [22:17] <Eddie> And in French
#1385 [22:17] <Eddie> Centre, Mètre, etc.
#1386 [22:17] <langkid1> stop being european :<
#1387 [22:17] <Eddie> Who?
#1388 [22:17] <langkid1> anyone who says 'centre'
#1389 [22:17] <Wug> POINT IS
#1390 [22:17] <Eddie> I'm being Canadian
#1391 [22:17] <Wug> you need need NEED
#1392 [22:17] <Eddie> French Canadian!
#1393 [22:18] <Wug> to NOT require a password
#1394 [22:18] <Wug> there are ways to do it without it
#1395 [22:18] <Wug> and there is no excuse for not using
#1396 [22:18] <Wug> them
#1397 [22:18] <langkid1> to prove that the user owns the account?
#1398 [22:18] <Wug> let me rephrase more explicitly
#1399 [22:18] <SinZ> Server doesnt want the clients password, why should your script be any different
#1400 [22:18] <Wug> you do not need an account password to prove account ownership
#1401 [22:18] <Wug> how do you think the goddamn multiplayer server does it
#1402 [22:19] <Wug> does every client who plays online send the server their password?
#1403 [22:19] <langkid1> SinZ well for one thing PHP scripts don't run 24/7 listening to things from clients
#1404 [22:19] <Wug> do you know nothing about security?
#1405 [22:19] <SinZ> langkid1: They can actually
#1406 [22:19] <Wug> I've written facebook crawlers in php
#1407 [22:19] <langkid1> SinZ, the execution time for scripts on my server is 10 seconds
#1408 [22:19] <langkid1> I can't change it
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#1411 [22:20] <Wug> langkid1: stop talking about this
#1412 [22:20] <langkid1> y
#1413 [22:20] <Wug> you _CANNOT_ collect account password
#1414 [22:20] <Wug> because if you dont, ill ban you
#1415 [22:20] <langkid1> it's not being stored :<
#1416 [22:20] <langkid1> ban me from.... what?
#1417 [22:20] <SinZ> No prove
#1418 [22:20] <Wug> but how does anyone know that
#1419 [22:20] <SinZ> You cant proof you dont save the password
#1420 [22:20] <langkid1> SinZ, the lawyers can say that :<
#1421 [22:20] <Wug> and whats to stop you from changing it so it does
#1422 [22:20] <SinZ> its php, you can just release an alternate that doesnt
#1423 [22:20] <langkid1> Wug, common sense >_>\
#1424 [22:21] <Wug> langkid1: do you know what phishing is
#1425 [22:21] <langkid1> Wug, collecting account info
#1426 [22:21] <langkid1> usually by sending a email that is SOMEHOW supposed to look official but usually looks like it was written by a newborn
#1427 [22:21] <Wug> because you're setting off about a million giant waving red flags that say phishing
#1428 [22:21] <langkid1> Wug, FINE, I'LL JUST CHECK IF THEY BOUGHT
#1429 [22:22] <SinZ> OK.
#1430 [22:22] <langkid1> and if they don't I'll tell them to go talk to Wug on #minecrafthelp
#1431 [22:22] <Wug> you have been told its wrong, and you have been given an alternative, and you still want to collect passwords
#1432 [22:22] <langkid1> :P
#1433 [22:22] <langkid1> hmm
#1434 [22:22] <Wug> you know what I'll tell them? I'll tell them "its that, or give him your password"
#1435 [22:23] <Wug> we're done discussing this
#1436 [22:23] <Wug> if you would like to discuss a legitimate alternative thats fine
#1437 [22:23] <langkid1> maybe I can edit MinecraftSignOnDoor to make a MySQL UPDATE/INSERT if it detects that they're authenticated by Minecraft.net
#1438 [22:23] <langkid1> that is, IF MCSOD checks if they're authed at all'
#1439 [22:23] <Wug> I have diagrams of the auth process
#1440 [22:24] <Wug> you may find them useful
#1441 [22:24] <Wug> I just almost typed my computer account password in here for everyone
#1442 [22:24] <Wug> that would have been unfortunate
#1443 [22:25] <DopeGhoti> "Hey, IRC doesn't show your password. My password is hunter2, but here it just shows up as ******* because it's my password."
#1444 [22:25] <Wug> DopeGhoti: dont do that
#1445 [22:25] <DopeGhoti> (</sarcasm>)
#1446 [22:26] <|Kiikun|Janus|> DopeGhoti: thats a decade old..
#1447 [22:26] <DopeGhoti> |Kiikun|Janus|: I know.
#1448 [22:26] * DopeGhoti puts away his robe and wizard hat.
#1448 [22:26] <|Kiikun|Janus|> lol
#1449 [22:27] <Wug> ;wugsite normal.png
#1450 [22:27] <WugBot> Wug's Website: http://wug.me/minecraft/normal.png
#1451 [22:27] <Wug> langkid1: ^
#1452 [22:28] <Wug> you can send a kick packet as soon as the login succeeds and thus avoid having to do anything like hosting an actual world
#1453 [22:28] <Wug> if that kick packet contained a verification code or something
#1454 [22:28] <DopeGhoti> ??+ smp/protocol/authentication|http://wug.me/minecraft/normal.png
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#1456 [22:29] <Wug> only people able to login to the account would be able to get a verification code
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#1458 [22:29] <Wug> if they were long and complex, the chances of a verification code being guessed would be very small
#1459 [22:29] <Wug> from there, you could assume that if someone had an accounts verification code, they had access to the account
#1460 [22:30] <Wug> and that is how to verify an account without a password
#1461 [22:30] <Guest59550> hey i have a question: my mc keeps crashing returning this error "[failed to get system properties (java.lang.NullPointerException)]"
#1462 [22:30] <Wug> :pastebin > Guest59550
#1463 [22:30] <WugBot> Guest59550: (pastebin) Please use pastebin to share error logs or long messages, do not flood the channel. http://pastebin.com Paste your text into the box, click 'Submit' and give us the link from the address bar.
#1464 [22:30] <Wug> please paste the whole error message there
#1465 [22:31] * AC [AC@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#1466 [22:32] <Wug> AC: you know, you can open new tabs
#1467 [22:32] <AC> hu?
#1468 [22:32] <Wug> you were just here 30 seconds ago
#1469 [22:32] <Guest97475> ino
#1470 [22:32] <Wug> then you left and came back
#1471 [22:32] <Guest97475> my chat is derpy
#1472 [22:32] <Wug> you can just leave it open
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#1474 [22:33] <Guest97475> oh ok
#1475 [22:33] <Guest97475> anyways can you help me read this error log?
#1476 [22:33] <Guest97475> http://pastebin.com/84cU7PbX
#1477 [22:34] <langkid1> Wug, ok, point me to something that DOES that so I don't have to code a whole server emulator myself
#1478 [22:34] <Wug> I dont have anything that does that
#1479 [22:34] <Wug> but you could write something yourself in basically any language in probably 30 minutes or so
#1480 [22:35] <langkid1> 'cept I'm not good in any language ._.
#1481 [22:35] <langkid1> most of my learning is on the fly, google, use it, onto the next thing
#1482 [22:35] <langkid1> use it enough I'll finally remember it :D
#1483 [22:35] <Wug> do you have an sql server or access to one through your hosting
#1484 [22:35] <Wug> or can you set one up for yourself
#1485 [22:36] <DopeGhoti> nowadays with SQLite and HTML5, everyone has access to SQL servers (:
#1486 [22:36] <Wug> I need to figure out HTF to use them
#1487 [22:37] <langkid1> Wug, yeah I have a MySQL server
#1488 [22:37] <langkid1> It's already in the script to use it to store the user's submission data
#1489 [22:37] <langkid1> soooooooooooooooo fast
#1490 [22:38] <DopeGhoti> So you _are_ storing users' data?
#1491 [22:38] <Wug> DopeGhoti: at this point his form does not request a password
#1492 [22:38] <Wug> but for all I know he has a few
#1493 [22:39] <Wug> langkid1: ok, then you'd want your verification server to push a code to that db when someone accessed it
#1494 [22:39] <Wug> then, when they submit the form, they can simply match the code in the form against the one in the db
#1495 [22:39] <langkid1> DopeGhoti, just firstname, in game name, and reason for wanting to join, and a hidden int that is 1 or 0 depending on whether I've accepted them yet (for organization purposes)
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#1497 [22:39] <Wug> if they're the same, they own the account
#1498 [22:39] <Derp> derp
#1499 [22:39] <Wug> Derp: stay a while
#1500 [22:39] <Derp> stay?
#1501 [22:39] <Wug> stop leaving and coming back
#1502 [22:40] <langkid1> Wug, yeah that's what I meant :<
#1503 [22:40] <langkid1> er yeah
#1504 [22:40] <Derp> is that causing something wrong with teh server
#1505 [22:40] <langkid1> I just don't know how to emulate the base login system of MCserver
#1506 [22:40] <Wug> Derp: looks like graphics drivers
#1507 [22:40] <Wug> :dx > derp
#1508 [22:40] <WugBot> derp: (dx) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#1509 [22:40] <WugBot> derp: (dx) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link you are sent to, and paste it here.
#1510 [22:41] <Derp> what does that do
#1511 [22:41] <Derp> like how does that help
#1512 [22:41] <Frymaster> Derp, it outputs your graphics config
#1513 [22:41] <Frymaster> Derp, so people here can see if it's set up right
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#1515 [22:45] <Derp> http://pastebin.com/85R1KuCf
#1516 [22:46] <Wug> ;search G45
#1517 [22:46] <WugBot> No matches for "G45".
#1518 [22:46] <Wug> ;search G43
#1519 [22:46] <WugBot> No matches for "G43".
#1520 [22:46] <Wug> aha
#1521 [22:46] <Wug> ;search 4 series
#1522 [22:46] <WugBot> Matches for "4 series": driver/win7/x64/intel/4series
#1523 [22:46] <Wug> :driver/win7/x64/intel/4series
#1524 [22:46] <WugBot> driver/win7/x64/intel/4series: Download and install this driver for Windows 7 or Windows Vista, 64 bit editions, with "Mobile Intel(R) 4 Series Express Chipset Family" GPUs:
#1525 [22:46] <WugBot> driver/win7/x64/intel/4series: http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&DwnldID=20601
#1526 [22:46] <Frymaster> ooh, I like that search function :D
#1527 [22:46] <Wug> maybe'
#1528 [22:47] <Wug> Derp: hang on a sec
#1529 [22:47] <Derp> ok
#1530 [22:48] <|Kiikun|Janus|> the downside of that search is that we have to manually update it :P
#1531 [22:48] <Frymaster> i meant just the "search in pastebin" bit, but the driver db is awesome too
#1532 [22:49] <|Kiikun|Janus|> ah :P
#1533 [22:49] <DopeGhoti> |Kiikun|Janus|: that's why I have a Vox rewrite planned, for SQL storage of FAQs, and FAQ tagging
#1534 [22:49] <Wug> yeah, wugbots needs tagging
#1535 [22:49] <Wug> would be nice
#1536 [22:49] <Wug> Derp: try the link wugbot sent
#1537 [22:50] <Wug> was just making sure it was the right one
#1538 [22:51] <Frymaster> Wug, would it not be faster just to search for "Chip Type" ?
#1539 [22:51] <Wug> Frymaster: it doesnt search the pastebin
#1540 [22:51] <Frymaster> ah
#1541 [22:51] <Wug> thats a factoid database search
#1542 [22:52] <Frymaster> well, it should! :P
#1543 [22:52] <Wug> I have some driver factoids designed with searchability
#1544 [22:52] <Wug> in mind
#1545 [22:52] <Wug> why do I keep cutting off the end of my sentences
#1546 [22:52] <Wug> I must be sleepy
#1547 [22:52] <Frymaster> it's an IRC
#1548 [22:52] <Frymaster> thing
#1549 [22:52] <Wug> maybe I have a virus
#1550 [22:52] * Wug virus scans himself
#1550 [22:53] * Toagac_ [Toagac_@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#1551 [22:53] * Frymaster installs symantec on wug's brain
#1551 [22:53] <Frymaster> mwuahahaha
#1552 [22:53] <Wug> eew
#1553 [22:53] * Wug uninstalls it
#1553 [22:53] * Wug installs Wug on Wug
#1553 [22:54] * Wug sudo wug
#1553 [22:54] <Wug> ???
#1554 [22:54] <Derp> ok imma restart compy
#1555 [22:54] <Wug> viruses gone
#1556 [22:54] <Wug> Derp: ok
#1557 [22:54] <|Kiikun|Janus|> i heard you likes wugs, so i stuck a wug in your wug so you could wug wugs with wug!
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#1560 [22:58] <Herp> hrrm
#1561 [22:58] <Derp> I may have issues doing this while connected to znc
#1562 [22:59] <Herp> crap were both on chaos
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#1564 [23:00] <Derp_> it works
#1565 [23:00] <Derp_> thanks Wug
#1566 [23:00] <Derp> Derp_: cool. I kinda stole your nick :P
#1567 [23:00] <Derp> sorry
#1568 [23:00] <Derp> I is borrowing it
#1569 [23:00] <Derp_> lol
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#1571 [23:01] <1CGAABHBV> :)
#1572 [23:01] <1CGAABHBV> and then testdummy killed me
#1573 [23:01] <1CGAABHBV> and then testdummy killed me
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#1576 [23:13] <langkid1> I love how fast Minecraft Forum can get you responses
#1577 [23:22] <langkid1> Wug, ok I'll run a server that'll generate a auth key
#1578 [23:22] <langkid1> Wug, just... how would I code something to respond to the client like that?
#1579 [23:22] <Wug> the diagram explains what data needs to be sent where
#1580 [23:23] <Wug> I suggest you grab mcp
#1581 [23:23] <Wug> you may find it very useful looking at how the actual server handles it
#1582 [23:23] <langkid1> Oh god notch code
#1583 [23:24] <langkid1> SinZ, what was that page that explains what happened in detail?
#1584 [23:24] <SinZ> For authentication?
#1585 [23:24] <langkid1> Wug, I believe other people have already done that
#1586 [23:24] <langkid1> SinZ, yeah the one you linked earlier
#1587 [23:24] <SinZ> http://wiki.vg/Authentication
#1588 [23:25] * langkid1 wonders what language to code it in
#1588 [23:25] <Eddie> Ja- no I won't do that to you
#1589 [23:26] <langkid1> lol
#1590 [23:26] <Eddie> Scala
#1591 [23:27] <langkid1> I scenefied it http://scenes.at/joining
#1592 [23:27] * langkid1 likes scenes.at because it's not widely used, therefore there are more aliases available
#1592 [23:30] <langkid1> Does anyone know how to send packets :P
#1593 [23:40] <Wug> langkid1: whatever network send thing you have
#1594 [23:40] <Wug> idk what language youre using
#1595 [23:40] <langkid1> java or python
#1596 [23:40] <Wug> never dont network stuff in python
#1597 [23:40] * langkid1 doesn't know how to listen for packets in java OR python
#1597 [23:40] <langkid1> never don't?!??!?!
#1598 [23:40] <Wug> and you can look at how the minecraft server does it
#1599 [23:40] <Wug> never done*
#1600 [23:41] <langkid1> Wug, SinZ's site explains it, and after looking at other tools (like ping tools written in PHP) I can see that the tools just send those packets
#1601 [23:41] <langkid1> like 0x01
#1602 [23:41] <Wug> java has something like a Socket.send method
#1603 [23:42] <Wug> seriously, just get mcp and look at the server code
#1604 [23:42] <Wug> the alternative is that I pull up mcp and look at the server code and tell you what to do
#1605 [23:42] <Wug> and by alternative, I mean thats what you want me to do, but im not going to
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#1607 [23:43] <langkid1> Wug, notch's code is confusing and hard to read, and it's already been found out and explained in places, I don't need to know what the client does now, I think I just need to find out how to send junk to/from the client
#1608 [23:44] <Wug> get. mcp. and. decompile. the. server. and. look. at. it.
#1609 [23:44] <langkid1> nao
#1610 [23:44] <Wug> wanting me to do it for you so I can tell you how to do it and you dont have to look at code is LAAAAAAZY
#1611 [23:44] <Wug> and I refuse to pander to laziness
#1612 [23:44] <DopeGhoti> langkid1: this is #minecrafthelp, not #minecraftservertoolcreationtutorials
#1613 [23:44] <langkid1> I don't want you to do it for me?
#1614 [23:45] <langkid1> LOL
#1615 [23:45] <Wug> so get mcp
#1616 [23:45] <Wug> and look at it yourself
#1617 [23:45] <langkid1> DopeGhoti, I thought the rule was you could talk about anything you want 'cept when people were actually being helped with legit problems
#1618 [23:45] <Wug> there is an explicit rule about rule lawyering
#1619 [23:45] <Wug> I suggest you go read the rules
#1620 [23:46] <DopeGhoti> There is also the fact that you're irritating at least one channel operator.
#1621 [23:46] <DopeGhoti> that an selective literacy, which earns you several points
#1622 [23:46] <Wug> one who, in fact, is busy coding something for himself
#1623 [23:46] <Wug> and doesnt want to go off and write other peoples code for them
#1624 [23:46] <langkid1> :D
#1625 [23:47] <Wug> heres your mcp link: http://mcp.ocean-labs.de/index.php/MCP_Releases
#1626 [23:47] <langkid1> Wug, I know how to use MCP and I just found a example on the internetz that I think I can adapt to my needs :D
#1627 [23:47] <langkid1> DopeGhoti, so you're like a freenode op? You hide in the corner until you're needed?
#1628 [23:47] <Wug> then I guess you didnt need me after all, huh
#1629 [23:47] <langkid1> Wug, idk what this turned into/how it started :(
#1630 [23:48] * Wug kicked langkid1 from #minecrafthelp (Reason: angkid1 :you're about to earn yourself a timeout)
#1631 [23:48] <Wug> oops
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#1633 [23:48] <Wug> I meant to say that as a message
#1634 [23:48] * langkid1 is just confused now
#1634 [23:48] <Wug> and forgot to remove the /kick
#1635 [23:48] <langkid1> Sure lol
#1636 [23:48] <Wug> take it as a warning then
#1637 [23:48] <Wug> you should probably stfu unless you're helping someone
#1638 [23:49] * langkid1 goes to work on his stuff
#1638 [23:49] <DopeGhoti> Good luck with your codery.
#1639 [23:50] <DopeGhoti> Since you've not dealt with sending or reveiving any packet, or parsing them, you might want to look into some socket I/O documentation or tutorials.