#1 [00:00] <sugoi> AshtonK: different computer as servers, different routers
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#3 [00:01] <AshtonK> Well im giving up for the night, thanks for the help
#4 [00:01] <AshtonK> Bye
#5 [00:01] <sugoi> seems like i always help the deadends
#6 [00:01] <sugoi> maybe it's me :)
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#16 [00:38] <dadgamer> Hello everyone
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#18 [00:48] <Junior> Hello?
#19 [00:48] <sugoi> Junior: hi
#20 [00:48] <sugoi> dadgamer: hi
#21 [00:48] <sugoi> heh
#22 [00:48] <sugoi> we have dad and junior
#23 [00:48] <sugoi> nice
#24 [00:48] <sugoi> oh you silly, voxelhead
#25 [00:48] <Junior> Do you now how to add more space to a server?
#26 [00:49] <sugoi> Junior: ? like buy another hard drive?
#27 [00:49] <Junior> Like more memory for a server
#28 [00:49] <Junior> I did a massive command and I cant seem to beable to get back on
#29 [00:49] <sugoi> Junior: sure, how much ram does it have, is it 32 or 64 bit, what model is your motherboard?
#30 [00:50] <sugoi> Junior: oh, you mean allocate/allow more ram?
#31 [00:50] <Junior> Yes
#32 [00:50] <sugoi> Junior: what OS?
#33 [00:50] <Junior> Yeah Mac OS X
#34 [00:51] <Junior> 10.5.8
#35 [00:51] <sugoi> Junior: what does `java -version` give you? (i also need to know if the java you are using is 32 or 64 bit)
#36 [00:53] <Junior> I have Java 6 but In my Java pref. It has two 64-bit java's ticked and one 32 bit ticked?
#37 [00:53] <sugoi> you'll need to make sure java 64 is being used
#38 [00:54] <Junior> Ok
#39 [00:54] <sugoi> Junior: well, figure the path to the 64 bit one, then i juse run: `/path/to/64bit/java -Xms6144M -Xmx7168M -jar minecraft_server.jar nogui`
#40 [00:54] <sugoi> that gives 6-7GB in RAM
#41 [00:55] <Junior> Ok
#42 [00:55] <Junior> Do I run that in terminal?
#43 [00:56] <sugoi> yeah, you can make a script too, and put it on the desktop
#44 [00:56] <Junior> Ok
#45 [00:56] <Junior> I put on 64 Bit Java SE 6
#46 [00:57] <Junior> I put /path/to/64bit/java -Xms6144M -Xmx7168M -jar minecraft_server.jar nogui
#47 [00:57] <sugoi> 'put on' ? you used that in the path you mean?
#48 [00:57] <sugoi> ok
#49 [00:57] <sugoi> Junior: not...literally, right?
#50 [00:57] <Junior> And it said no file or directory?
#51 [00:57] <sugoi> :)
#52 [00:57] * sugoi giggles
#52 [00:58] <sugoi> Junior: /path/to/64bit/java <- not real, read it
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#55 [01:00] <Junior1> So by path what you mean, Im not very good at this haha
#56 [01:01] <Junior1> Hello?
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#59 [01:03] <Junior1> Hello?
#60 [01:03] <sugoi> Junior: that thing that tells you that you have 2 java's (32 and 64)
#61 [01:03] <sugoi> does it tell you where they are on your hd?
#62 [01:04] <Junior1> The thing that I pasted into terminal?
#63 [01:04] <sugoi> where is java on your system?
#64 [01:05] <sugoi> rather, where is 64bit java
#65 [01:05] <Junior1> Can I see that in Java Preferences?
#66 [01:05] <sugoi> that is your quest :)
#67 [01:06] <sugoi> i don't know mac, and when you install things, it's good to keep track of where they install (tho, maybe mac doesn't tell you)
#68 [01:07] <Junior1> I know where hey install to
#69 [01:08] <Junior1> Im in my java folder
#70 [01:08] <sugoi> the 64 bit one?
#71 [01:09] <Junior1> Its in caches
#72 [01:09] <sugoi> what do you mean?
#73 [01:10] <Junior1> Like I went library then there it says Caches then there are folder like adobe and theres a java one
#74 [01:10] <Junior1> Just install 64 Bit one again?
#75 [01:10] <sugoi> no
#76 [01:10] <sugoi> you just need to find where the current one installed
#77 [01:11] <sugoi> i don't know what mac's library/caches is for
#78 [01:11] <Junior1> I found a thing that says this /usr/libexec/java_home to obtain a $JAVA_HOME path.
#79 [01:11] <sugoi> that's good
#80 [01:11] <Junior1> That it?
#81 [01:12] <sugoi> is there a 64bit folder (by some name) under $JAVA_HOME?
#82 [01:13] <Junior1> Theres folders in Home
#83 [01:13] <sugoi> not Home, $JAVA_HOME
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#85 [01:14] <Junior1> I put /usr/libexec/java_home to obtain a $JAVA_HOME path. into terminal then it said /System/Library/Java/JavaVirtualMachines/1.6.0.jdk/Contents/Home and I went to that
#86 [01:15] <arubian> getting black screen even tryed to redownload minecraft
#87 [01:15] <Junior1> Make new account on PC ^
#88 [01:15] <Junior1> then try
#89 [01:15] <sugoi> huh?!
#90 [01:15] <sugoi> arubian: has it worked before?
#91 [01:16] <arubian> yeah been playing since alpha xDD
#92 [01:16] <sugoi> arubian: what changed when this started?
#93 [01:16] <Junior1> I put /usr/libexec/java_home to obtain a $JAVA_HOME path. into terminal then it said /System/Library/Java/JavaVirtualMachines/1.6.0.jdk/Contents/Home and I went to that and had a folder in it called Home
#94 [01:16] <sugoi> Junior1: i saw
#95 [01:16] <sugoi> Junior1: i don't know where mac installs things
#96 [01:16] <Junior1> What if i try installing it again?
#97 [01:16] <sugoi> but if you find a folder below that point that mentions 64bit, find a file called java under there
#98 [01:16] <sugoi> Junior1: that won't change anything
#99 [01:17] <arubian> sugoi what is the best thing i can do?
#100 [01:17] <Junior1> I found virtual machines
#101 [01:17] <Junior1> And Arubian I had same problem
#102 [01:18] <sugoi> arubian: you haven't answered my last question
#103 [01:18] <sugoi> > arubian: what changed when this started?
#104 [01:18] <arubian> sugoi yes
#105 [01:18] <arubian> how do you mean?
#106 [01:18] <arubian> i just get a black screen then close i deleted everything and let it redownload
#107 [01:19] <sugoi> well, did you get a video card, did you install new ram, did you install new drivers on your computer, did you loan your computer and now you have viruses
#108 [01:19] <sugoi> arubian: think back, when it last worked
#109 [01:19] <arubian> no
#110 [01:19] <sugoi> what happened between the time it worked and the time it stopped working
#111 [01:20] <arubian> nothing xD i did really nothing it worked like 6 hours ago
#112 [01:20] <sugoi> Junior1: so, find a file named java.app (.app is mac, right?) in your $JAVA_HOME folder
#113 [01:20] <arubian> maybe restart my pc?
#114 [01:20] <sugoi> arubian: did you update minecraft?
#115 [01:20] <sugoi> in the last 6 hours
#116 [01:20] <arubian> yes and did worked a few times
#117 [01:21] <arubian> i redownload it
#118 [01:21] <sugoi> when does black screen occur?
#119 [01:21] <arubian> when i login
#120 [01:21] <sugoi> before it shows the list of options (single player, multi, etc)
#121 [01:21] <sugoi> ?
#122 [01:21] <arubian> nope
#123 [01:21] <sugoi> arubian: specifics help
#124 [01:21] <arubian> just login i neven see mojang logo
#125 [01:22] <arubian> like i see "download" then black screen
#126 [01:23] <sugoi> are you using mods?
#127 [01:23] <Junior1> I had the same problem before.
#128 [01:23] <arubian> no fullly cleand .minecraft
#129 [01:24] <arubian> and btw it makes a .txt on desktop
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#131 [01:24] <sugoi> arubian: uuu, start with that next time :)
#132 [01:24] <sugoi> arubian: pastebin.com
#133 [01:24] <arubian> yup
#134 [01:24] <arubian> xDD
#135 [01:24] <arubian> sorry
#136 [01:26] <arubian> sugoi i send the link in pm
#137 [01:28] <sugoi> you see, the nice thing about pm'ing pastebin reports...
#138 [01:28] <Junior1> Ok Sugio Im using 64Bit
#139 [01:28] <sugoi> is that GreyVulpine can't sneak in and answer before i get a chance to read it
#140 [01:28] <arubian> xD
#141 [01:29] <sugoi> Junior1: awesome, so you have the path, now use that command i gave you, substituting your path over mine
#142 [01:29] <Junior1> Ok
#143 [01:29] <sugoi> arubian: issue 1, java 7, bad
#144 [01:30] <Junior1> This would be the path yeah ?
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#146 [01:30] <Junior1> ./System/Library/Java/JavaVirtualMachines/1.6.0.jdk/Contents/Home
#147 [01:30] <sugoi> Junior1: that looks like a directory, it should end in a filename
#148 [01:30] <mib_exrn40> !check 195.241.14.150
#149 [01:30] <sugoi> besides that, sure
#150 [01:30] <Junior1> Yeah its a directory
#151 [01:31] <arubian> so sugoi want me to remove java 7?
#152 [01:31] <sugoi> Junior1: the path should include the java executable, too
#153 [01:33] <sugoi> arubian: yeah, it breaks when calling org.lwjgl.opengl.WindowsContextImplementation.nCreate - so first install java 7, instsall java 6 update 31, and if it still fails, reinstall your graphics driver
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#156 [01:33] <Junior1> ./1.6.0.jdk/Contents/Home When I click 1.6.0.jdk It doesn't come up with Contents it says Java Preferences
#157 [01:34] <sugoi> Junior1: my condolences that you have a mac
#158 [01:34] <Junior1> Yeah
#159 [01:35] <mib_exrn40> can ghasts shoot in creative mode?
#160 [01:36] <sugoi> Junior1: in the end, you just need the path to java (64bit), and use that followed by ` -Xms6144M -Xmx7168M -jar minecraft_server.jar nogui`
#161 [01:37] <arubian> xD
#162 [01:37] <arubian> lol
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#164 [01:40] <Junior1> .$ /usr/libexec/java_home /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/1.6.0/Home Coudl that be it?
#165 [01:41] <sugoi> Junior1: the path should include java at the end
#166 [01:41] <sugoi> Junior1: you need to find the java executable in that path (or below it)
#167 [01:47] <Junior1> Im in the Home folder
#168 [01:48] <Scott> Junior1: 64 bit java takes priority
#169 [01:48] <Scott> just using java in the CLI will work
#170 [01:51] <Junior1> CLI, and will that add more RAM to server?
#171 [01:52] <sugoi> Scott: is that a mac thing? bc that's not the case on my windows nor linux machine
#172 [01:53] <Scott> you have to specify the -Xms -Xmx etc part when running it
#173 [01:53] <sugoi> Junior1: it adds more ram by specifying -Xmx####M, where #### is how many megabytes you want minecraft to use (max amount)
#174 [01:53] <Junior1> So ddi the thing I sent you work?
#175 [01:53] <|Kiikun|> im fairly sure using #G works too...
#176 [01:54] <sugoi> yeah, -Xms (minimum ram to use), -Xmx (maximum)
#177 [01:54] <Scott> sugoi: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9631803/Screenshots/fyea.png
#178 [01:54] <Scott> You can rearrange them
#179 [01:54] <Junior1> Thats what I have
#180 [01:54] <Junior1> I have 4 though
#181 [01:54] <Scott> it will use whatever is compatible first in the listed order
#182 [02:00] <Junior1> Suqoi?
#183 [02:01] <Junior1> So scott how do I add more space or the server Im totally confused right now
#184 [02:02] <Scott> specify the java options you want to use.
#185 [02:02] <Scott> You can't just add more than your computer has though.
#186 [02:03] <Junior1> Well I don't know whats wrong with the server anymore, its completlty screwed it said it needs more space now it says java.lang.UnsupportedClassVersionError: Bad version number in .class file at java.lang.ClassLoader.defineClass1(Native Method) at java.lang.ClassLoader.defineClass(ClassLoader.java:676) at java.security.SecureClassLoader.defineClass(SecureC
#187 [02:04] <Junior1> Its way bigger than that though
#188 [02:04] <Junior1> A class version error
#189 [02:06] <Junior1> Should just start new one?
#190 [02:07] <sugoi> Junior1: open a terminal, run `java -version`
#191 [02:07] <Junior1> Ok
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#193 [02:08] <Junior1> ..java version "1.5.0_30" Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_30-b03-389-9M3425) Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.5.0_30-161, mixed mode, sharing)
#194 [02:09] <clone1018> I'm getting the following error "LoadLibrary failed with error 126: The specified module could not be found."
#195 [02:10] <Scott> Junior1: Open Java Preferences and move java 1.6 above 1.5
#196 [02:10] <Junior1> Done
#197 [02:10] <Scott> try again
#198 [02:11] <Junior1> .java version "1.6.0_26" Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_26-b03-384-9M3425) Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 20.1-b02-384, mixed mode) java version "1.6.0_26"
#199 [02:11] <Scott> there
#200 [02:11] <sugoi> good good
#201 [02:11] <Scott> now try running the server
#202 [02:11] <Junior1> Ok
#203 [02:11] <sugoi> Junior1: where is your minecraft_server.jar ?
#204 [02:12] <mib_exrn40> are you portfrowarding?
#205 [02:12] <sugoi> Scott: i think his class loader error is because he isn't in the right dir (pwd)
#206 [02:12] <Scott> probably is but he shouldn't use 1.5
#207 [02:12] <Scott> it doesn't work right
#208 [02:12] <sugoi> Scott: right, > 1 issue here :)
#209 [02:12] <clone1018> Minecraft launches with the above error, I googled it and apparently it relates to my graphics card, but my drivers are installed, I can promise that.
#210 [02:13] <sugoi> clone1018: do you have an error report?
#211 [02:13] <clone1018> It doesn't crash like that
#212 [02:13] <sugoi> Junior1: where do you have your minecraft_server.jar ?
#213 [02:14] <sugoi> clone1018: where does it give you that error? in the launcher window? when? after login but before logo?
#214 [02:14] <clone1018> After login but before logo
#215 [02:14] <Scott> clone1018: It's because you're not on a mac.
#216 [02:14] <Junior1> Says Failed to Bind port but I was on it 3 hours ago on that port
#217 [02:14] <clone1018> Scott: ;D
#218 [02:14] * Scott goes back to writing his shopping list
#218 [02:14] <sugoi> Scott: ...
#219 [02:14] <Scott> I'm out of ink so I have to use a pen.
#220 [02:14] <Scott> I write like a 3 year old.
#221 [02:14] <sugoi> Junior1: you need to stop/kill the last one
#222 [02:16] <sugoi> Scott: i think the server gui should report java version, 32 or 64 bit, and have an option to adjust RAM use (even if it requires a server reboot)
#223 [02:16] <sugoi> restart*
#224 [02:16] <Scott> GUI?
#225 [02:16] <Junior1> .java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: /Users/paraedits/Desktop/CraftBukkit/plugins/LWC/lib/native/Mac/x86_64/libsqlitejdbc.jnilib: no suitable image found. Did find: /Users/paraedits/Desktop/CraftBukkit/plugins/LWC/lib/native/Mac/x86_64/libsqlitejdbc.jnilib: unknown required load command 0x80000022 18:15:34 [SEVERE] java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: /private/var/
#226 [02:16] <Scott> Evil.
#227 [02:16] <sugoi> Scott: for THEM, bro
#228 [02:16] <Scott> You should go talk to the plugin developer.
#229 [02:16] <Scott> We don't support mods and you're using craftbukkit.
#230 [02:17] <sugoi> Junior1: CRAFT BUKKIT :)
#231 [02:17] <Junior1> It was working bedore
#232 [02:17] <sugoi> hehe
#233 [02:17] <sugoi> Junior1: get minecraft_server.jar working with more ram to prove the process works
#234 [02:17] <sugoi> then, try craftbukkit, if it fails, goto #bukkit
#235 [02:18] <Junior1> It syas cant reach server Ip is right and is on, its been doing that since I did a massive command
#236 [02:18] <Junior1> java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: Java heap space 18:16:40 [SEVERE] at java.util.Arrays.copyOf(Arrays.java:2734) 18:16:40 [SEVERE] at java.util.ArrayList.ensureCapacity(ArrayList.java:167
#237 [02:19] <sugoi> Junior1: it seems like you're ignoring our advice
#238 [02:19] <Junior1> I didn't want to use the minecraft_Server software though
#239 [02:20] <sugoi> and why is that? you can always backup your world files first
#240 [02:20] <Scott> Junior1: Click the Apple menu and go to About This Mac
#241 [02:20] <Junior1> I cant setspawn etc.
#242 [02:20] <Scott> What does it say next to Memory?
#243 [02:20] <Junior1> Ok scott
#244 [02:20] <sugoi> Scott: enabler
#245 [02:20] <Junior1> 4Gb 1067 Mhz DDr3
#246 [02:20] <sugoi> :)
#247 [02:21] <sugoi> Junior1: setspawn? we're not saying stop using bukkit and only use minecraft_server -- we're saying step 1. prove this works with minecraft_Server, THEN try bukkit, it's a proof of concept -- this is the standard process, this is how you learn - do the easy/proven method first, THEN start adding more complex things
#248 [02:22] <sugoi> such as, running bukkit, and mods
#249 [02:22] <sugoi> but STEP 1! do it vanilla style
#250 [02:22] <Junior1> Oh Ok
#251 [02:22] <Junior1> ahah I fail.
#252 [02:22] <sugoi> Junior1: but also, you only have 4GB
#253 [02:22] <sugoi> your system is going to need 1 or so
#254 [02:22] <sugoi> so i wouldn't recommend giving >3GB to mc
#255 [02:22] <clone1018> Minecraft launches with the above error, I googled it and apparently it relates to my graphics card, but my drivers are installed, I can promise that.
#256 [02:22] <sugoi> you aren't going to see a lot better results
#257 [02:23] <sugoi> than 'default'
#258 [02:24] <sugoi> but, nonetheless, `java -Xms 2048M -Xmx 3072M -jar minecraft_server.jar nogui`
#259 [02:25] <sugoi> clone1018: OS?
#260 [02:25] <clone1018> Windows 8
#261 [02:25] <sugoi> heh, metro
#262 [02:26] <sugoi> ok, open a cmd window
#263 [02:26] <sugoi> unless metro has removed that
#264 [02:28] <sugoi> clone1018: in your command window, run `java -version`, [this shows me not only what version you have, but that `java` is in your PATH -- needed for the next step\
#265 [02:28] <sugoi> ]*
#266 [02:29] <Pepper> Why is it people only see Metro?
#267 [02:29] <clone1018> 1.7
#268 [02:29] <sugoi> clone1018: ok, well step 1: get java 6, not 7
#269 [02:29] <Pepper> ^
#270 [02:29] <clone1018> Why
#271 [02:29] <sugoi> Pepper: what do you mean?
#272 [02:29] <Pepper> 7 sucks
#273 [02:29] <sugoi> clone1018: works with mc, 7 has issues
#274 [02:29] <Pepper> When people think of win 8, all they think of is metro
#275 [02:29] <sugoi> Pepper: what would you like us to think?
#276 [02:30] <Scott> because that's all it is
#277 [02:30] <Scott> Windows 7 with a new UI/design
#278 [02:30] <sugoi> Pepper: i'm a big msft fan, actually - i'm just not excited about 8
#279 [02:30] <Junior1> Ok, Minecraft_server seemed to work fine no errors
#280 [02:30] <Scott> I am not renewing my MS certifications.
#281 [02:30] <Pepper> Well yeah, sure. But get past Metro >.>
#282 [02:30] <sugoi> Pepper: i run gentoo linux for all my server needs, and windows 7 on my personal machines
#283 [02:30] <Scott> You can't get past it.
#284 [02:30] <Scott> It's so unusable.
#285 [02:30] <Pepper> Don't use it
#286 [02:30] <Scott> I tried it.
#287 [02:30] <Scott> There is no alternative.
#288 [02:30] <sugoi> Junior1: awesome - that means two things
#289 [02:31] <Scott> You can't disable it...
#290 [02:31] <Pepper> There's a desktop. Use the desktop like it's always been used
#291 [02:31] <Junior1> Yeah Suqio?
#292 [02:31] <Scott> there is no menu
#293 [02:31] <sugoi> Junior1: 1. you know everything else is good, java, the command, your path, ... etc, 2. now you need to deal with bukkit and #bukkit if it doesn't work
#294 [02:31] <Scott> just the metro crap
#295 [02:31] <Pepper> And every program that has ever been installable has made desktop icons >.>
#296 [02:31] * sugoi pats Scott forehead with a cool, wet, cloth
#296 [02:31] <Scott> Desktop icons?
#297 [02:32] <Scott> I don't put anything on my desktop.
#298 [02:32] <sugoi> clone1018: ! so, got java 6?
#299 [02:32] <Scott> There is only HD icons.
#300 [02:32] <Junior1> ok, I could just get my map saves and put it on other server couldnt i?
#301 [02:32] <|Kiikun|> yes
#302 [02:32] <sugoi> Junior1: you can copy maps around, yes - if that answers your question
#303 [02:33] <Scott> See: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9631803/Screenshots/48zj.png :P
#304 [02:33] <Junior1> Ok, well thank you guys so much for helping me and taking time out of you day thank you so much !!!!!!!!1 :)
#305 [02:33] * sugoi hopes Scott has a hot desktop
#305 [02:33] <sugoi> psh
#306 [02:33] <sugoi> dis
#307 [02:33] <sugoi> ah
#308 [02:33] <sugoi> pointed
#309 [02:33] <sugoi> Junior1: :)
#310 [02:34] <Scott> I changed my wallpaper today.
#311 [02:34] <Junior1> Cya guys thanks again Sugio and Scotr !
#312 [02:34] <sugoi> Pepper[Away]: but if you like metro - that's okay, i'm not ranting vs msft, just not impressed with metro
#313 [02:34] <sugoi> hehe, scooter
#314 [02:34] <sugoi> i'm going to call you that now
#315 [02:34] <Junior1> * Scott :P
#316 [02:35] <sugoi> Junior1: little trick about irc real quick for you
#317 [02:35] <Junior1> Yeah?
#318 [02:35] <sugoi> Junior1: type, exactly, the letter 's', the letter 'c', then press 'TAB' once
#319 [02:35] <sugoi> ready for your mind to blow
#320 [02:35] <Junior1> What will happen? :P
#321 [02:35] <Junior1> Scott:
#322 [02:35] <Junior1> Oh
#323 [02:35] <sugoi> dun dun DUNNN
#324 [02:36] <Junior1> Amazing ! ;)
#325 [02:36] <sugoi> 'j' 'tab' => Junior1
#326 [02:36] <Junior1> Junior1:
#327 [02:36] <Junior1> <
#328 [02:36] <Junior1> Ok well cya !
#329 [02:36] <sugoi> laters
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#331 [02:37] <sugoi> clone1018: metro man
#332 [02:37] <clone1018> ?
#333 [02:37] <sugoi> clone1018: if you run minecraft from the commmand line - when it gives you that black screen, it should print out more info about why in your console
#334 [02:37] <sugoi> maybe
#335 [02:37] <sugoi> it's worth a try
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#337 [02:39] <clone1018> ok so it works in browser
#338 [02:39] <clone1018> java 7 is the problem
#339 [02:39] <Dragunov> it shows seed "0" when i press f3
#340 [02:39] <Dragunov> how can i find out what seed is it?
#341 [02:39] <Dragunov> i created map using server, not the game itself
#342 [02:59] <sugoi> Dragunov: i've not heard that problem before, your debug view should give you the correct seed
#343 [02:59] <sugoi> clone1018: you doubted us?! :(
#344 [02:59] <clone1018> I did
#345 [02:59] <clone1018> It's actually x64 java
#346 [02:59] <sugoi> well - thanks :)
#347 [03:00] <sugoi> ONE reason: java 7 uses ipv6 by default, and mc isn't comptable with that (i don't know what they did)
#348 [03:01] <clone1018> It's weird how its both 6 and 7 with x64 bit version installed though
#349 [03:01] <sugoi> clone1018: you're not making sense
#350 [03:01] <clone1018> I am, you're not listening properly
#351 [03:02] * sugoi looks for his hearing aids
#351 [03:02] <sugoi> clone1018: ok, what is 'it' that is both 6 and 7?
#352 [03:02] <clone1018> The problem, it occurs with both Java 6 and 7
#353 [03:02] <sugoi> you can have >1 java installed
#354 [03:02] <clone1018> Only with their x64 bit versions though
#355 [03:02] <Dragunov> jpw can i enter debug view?
#356 [03:02] <Dragunov> ghow*
#357 [03:03] <sugoi> that may be, but 7 is bad for its own reasons, so fix 1 issue at a time
#358 [03:03] <sugoi> Dragunov: that's f3
#359 [03:04] <sugoi> clone1018: like i said earlier, try running mc from command line - see if it gives your more info about the problem
#360 [03:04] * sugoi is a grumpy old man
#360 [03:05] <clone1018> I'm not fond of this
#361 [03:05] <sugoi> Dragunov: so i assume you like the seed and want to reuse it, debug view should show oyu
#362 [03:05] <clone1018> I want java 64
#363 [03:05] <sugoi> i bet you haven't tried running mc from the command line to see if more errors print for you
#364 [03:05] <sugoi> this used to work
#365 [03:06] <sugoi> now, if more recent versions have improved their error report file - and nothing extra is printed to the cmd line - then sorry, but this used to help
#366 [03:06] <clone1018> I dont really care enough to do that at the moment
#367 [03:07] <sugoi> fair enough
#368 [03:07] <clone1018> After playing minecraft for (what has it been?) almost 4 years now? I just wanted to see cats
#369 [03:08] <Dragunov> F3 (debug view) shows me 0
#370 [03:08] <Dragunov> Says Seed: 0
#371 [03:08] <sugoi> Dragunov: yeah, messed up (although, 0 is a valid seed)
#372 [03:09] <sugoi> clone1018: http://www.buzzfeed.com/bizzybee712/the-best-invisible-lolcat-pictures-k16
#373 [03:09] <Dragunov> any other method i can use to find out seed :)?
#374 [03:09] <Dragunov> it has done it for several different maps
#375 [03:10] <Dragunov> using vanilla server latest version
#376 [03:10] <sugoi> Dragunov: some ppl have written tools (tho, pre 1.8, as the debug view came out then) - those tools are outdated and will likely not work anymore, let alone i can't endorse any of them as who knows what malware you'll find on one
#377 [03:10] <sugoi> Dragunov: odd, maybe a bug? :)
#378 [03:11] <Dragunov> yeah, definately a bug
#379 [03:11] <Dragunov> just such a good map. so wanted to know seed
#380 [03:21] <vith> Dragunov: i'd try NBTedit
#381 [03:22] <vith> (to find the seed)
#382 [03:22] <sugoi> vith: i was going to suggest that too, but i've heard they fail with the new map version
#383 [03:22] <sugoi> tho, i prefer mcedit
#384 [03:22] <vith> oh, dunno about that
#385 [03:22] <sugoi> neither were updated last i checked
#386 [03:22] <GreyVulpine> mcedit is kinda sorta updated
#387 [03:23] <GreyVulpine> ?? mcedit
#388 [03:23] <VoxelHead> mcedit: https://github.com/mcedit/mcedit/downloads
#389 [03:23] <GreyVulpine> Check there
#390 [03:23] <GreyVulpine> Last I heard, it was made compatible with 1.2.x, but I haven't tested it personally.
#391 [03:24] <GreyVulpine> There may or may not still be issues, as it's maintained by the community
#392 [03:25] <sugoi> clone1018: dang you and your cats! http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kYSoy71ib7A
#393 [03:25] <sugoi> GreyVulpine: cool update, thanks
#394 [03:25] <sugoi> Dragunov: ^^ try out mcedit ^^
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#396 [03:28] <Dragunov> thanks sugoi+Grey
#397 [03:32] <Dragunov> i opened this mcedit program, it successfuly opened map
#398 [03:32] <sugoi> but?
#399 [03:32] <Dragunov> but i cant find where
#400 [03:32] <Dragunov> itsays its seed
#401 [03:32] <Dragunov> info
#402 [03:32] <sugoi> i'll check, been a while
#403 [03:33] <sugoi> ctrl-i
#404 [03:33] <Dragunov> thank you so much
#405 [03:33] <sugoi> you're welcome, so much
#406 [03:33] <sugoi> Dragunov: was it zero? :)
#407 [03:34] <Dragunov> nope. im not that special
#408 [03:34] <sugoi> :)
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#419 [05:05] <Mingeraft> Hello.
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#421 [05:06] <birk> hi there
#422 [05:07] <birk> i got this when i connet to a server
#423 [05:07] <birk> minecraft internal exception java.net.sockettimeoutexception read timed out
#424 [05:07] <birk> how do i fix this?=
#425 [05:07] <GreyVulpine> Try another server
#426 [05:07] <birk> wow. a answer no one can use?
#427 [05:08] <birk> i want to play on this server becuz its from my own country
#428 [05:08] <birk> and maybe someone knowa what to do
#429 [05:08] <GreyVulpine> Then have the server delete your playername.dat file from the /world/players folder
#430 [05:09] <GreyVulpine> The player file may be corrupt on the server. If you could connect to other servers, it is most likely this
#431 [05:09] <birk> ahh okay i will try that. but i have to get to the admins on the server first:D
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#433 [05:17] <DarkflyerV> Hello all
#434 [05:18] <GreyVulpine> 'lo
#435 [05:18] <DarkflyerV> I need Help with minecraft launching problem
#436 [05:18] <GreyVulpine> Could you elaborate?
#437 [05:21] <DarkflyerV> When I started Minecraft on a diferent computer I had to install a java then i started Minecraft it downloaded the .minecraft folder then went black and a file called hs_err_pid2220 appered on my desktop
#438 [05:22] <GreyVulpine> Please copy the contents of the hs_err_pid#### file to www.pastebin.com, submit it, and give us the URL so that we can read the error
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#440 [05:24] <DarkflyerV> pastebin.com/ZsuqKsYJ
#441 [05:25] <GreyVulpine> Ah, ATI error. Do you know how to update your video drivers?
#442 [05:27] <DarkflyerV> I tried but Windows said it was up to date & I could not figure out how to update with ATI catalyst center
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#444 [05:28] <GreyVulpine> Try: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/windows/Pages/auto_detect.aspx
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#446 [05:30] <DarkflyerV> I did & it said I have the latest driver
#447 [05:31] <GreyVulpine> Hmm. Could you give us a dxdiag?
#448 [05:31] <GreyVulpine> ??> DarkflyerV win/dxdiag
#449 [05:31] <VoxelHead> DarkflyerV: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#450 [05:31] <VoxelHead> DarkflyerV: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
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#452 [05:33] <DarkflyerV> pastebin.com/15mdRNT2
#453 [05:37] <EyesIsMine> your puter is funny
#454 [05:37] <EyesIsMine> is it a laptop?
#455 [05:37] <DarkflyerV> Nope just oldish Desktop
#456 [05:37] <EyesIsMine> right
#457 [05:37] <GreyVulpine> Radeon 9250. One moment.
#458 [05:37] <EyesIsMine> sorry to put you down on it, but your spec's aren't good
#459 [05:38] <DarkflyerV> I know it is
#460 [05:39] <GreyVulpine> Sorry, I'm not seeing an updated driver for that 9250 from ATI's site. Looks like it's just too old for minecraft
#461 [05:40] <DarkflyerV> Kay, Thanks for the help
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#463 [05:43] <Mingeraft> The brightness option has completely ruined the purpose of using torches.
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#468 [05:53] <HelloHello> hello everyone
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#470 [06:04] <Mingeraft> I love the random mobs function in MCPatcher.
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#473 [06:10] <Omen> So, lets say I wandered out for like 15 minutes or so flying around... How would I find my way back to where I was building at?
#474 [06:11] <Boreeas> Omen: Did you sleep in a bed already?
#475 [06:11] <Boreeas> If so, try building a compass
#476 [06:12] <Pepper> Boreeas: Last compass I made pointed to my original spawn point
#477 [06:12] <Mingeraft> If you haven't slept in a bed and you want to come back to the place where you were building, then you messed up.
#478 [06:13] <Omen> I will just exit the game and load where I saved then..
#479 [06:13] <Mingeraft> That won't work.
#480 [06:13] <Omen> why not?
#481 [06:13] <Pepper> Auto save
#482 [06:13] <Mingeraft> When you will load the game again, you will start at the same place you left.
#483 [06:14] <Omen> hmm
#484 [06:14] <Pepper> Boreeas: Yeah, compasses point to original spawn point, regardless of bed
#485 [06:14] <Omen> Is there like no limit to the maps size?!
#486 [06:14] <Boreeas> No
#487 [06:15] <Mingeraft> There is.
#488 [06:15] <Mingeraft> I mean, kind of.
#489 [06:15] <Boreeas> Well, you can kill yourself, which will reset you to either the bed you last slept in, if you did sleep, or to your original spawn point, from which you may or may not find your way back to your house
#490 [06:15] <Mingeraft> If you will manage to fly straight forward for over 2 weeks...
#491 [06:15] <Boreeas> Mingeraft: Technically, you can pass over that border
#492 [06:15] <Mingeraft> The farlands.
#493 [06:15] <Omen> that's just insane
#494 [06:16] <Mingeraft> But they make hell lots of lag.
#495 [06:16] <Keltinray> Didn't the farlands get patched away with the newer editions of MineCraft?
#496 [06:16] <Boreeas> Yeah, but it's not really a border, just a place where most clients won't be able to handle it very well anymore. Technically, the world i infinite
#497 [06:17] <Boreeas> Keltinray: You can't patch it away
#498 [06:17] <Keltinray> no I mean, the artifacts were removed by the newer world generators
#499 [06:18] <Boreeas> Keltinray: It is the place where the coordinates start flowing over and the random number generator starts messing up
#500 [06:18] <Keltinray> I think it disappeared in 1.8 or 1.9 or thereabouts
#501 [06:18] <Keltinray> yeah, but around that time the entire world generator was remade from scratch, which killed the farlands
#502 [06:18] <Keltinray> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Farlands
#503 [06:18] <Keltinray> "This area was corrected unintentionally as part of new terrain generation introduced in Beta 1.8."
#504 [06:19] <Omen> So, I just follow the arrow? Or is there a special marker on my compass I need to go to?
#505 [06:20] <Pepper> Follow where it points
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#507 [06:21] <Omen> And.. home.
#508 [06:21] <Omen> that works
#509 [06:22] <Old_Ben> guys, what i can do about the internal exception: java....
#510 [06:22] <Omen> I seriously thought I was completely screwed.
#511 [06:22] <Boreeas> Old_Ben: We need the entire error log, please paste it to http://pastebin.com
#512 [06:24] <Old_Ben> what imust paste? i just try to log in a server and it says interna exception error
#513 [06:24] <Mingeraft> Design of villages is sometimes hilarious.
#514 [06:24] <Boreeas> There must be more to it, something after "java"
#515 [06:24] <Old_Ben> aa ok
#516 [06:25] <Mingeraft> Do villagers have any other types of defense besides the iron golems?
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#518 [06:25] <mib_lujimf> !check 195.241.14.150
#519 [06:26] <Old_Ben> @Boreeas : http://yfrog.com/mtinternalj
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#521 [06:27] <Boreeas> Old_Ben: That looks like the server is not running right now
#522 [06:27] <Old_Ben> !check 87.106.85.27:25565
#523 [06:27] <Old_Ben> is running
#524 [06:27] <Boreeas> Hmm
#525 [06:27] <Boreeas> If you try again, do you still get that error?
#526 [06:27] <Old_Ben> yes
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#528 [06:30] <Boreeas> Old_Ben: How fast is your internet connection?
#529 [06:31] <Old_Ben> 2-3Mbps...is not fast but 2 days ago, i could log in
#530 [06:32] <Boreeas> Hmm
#531 [06:33] <Boreeas> ??> Old_Ben win/reinst/bat
#532 [06:33] <VoxelHead> Old_Ben: (win/reinst/bat) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place. To do so, download and run the following script.
#533 [06:33] <VoxelHead> Old_Ben: (win/reinst/bat) Minecraft Reinstall Script for Windows: http://mcfaq.hfbgaming.com/tools/MinecraftReinstall.bat
#534 [06:33] <Boreeas> Old_Ben: Download that script and run it
#535 [06:33] <Boreeas> Your saves will not be touched
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#538 [06:39] <Old_Ben> now i have "too long to log in" error
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#540 [06:39] <Old_Ben> this is because internet connection/
#541 [06:39] <Old_Ben> ?
#542 [06:39] <Boreeas> It looks like it
#543 [06:40] <Old_Ben> 1min to change pc
#544 [06:40] <Boreeas> Normally, a timeout is caused by one side taking to long to respond
#545 [06:40] <Boreeas> !login
#546 [06:40] <Boreeas> And since the login servers work, the problem is probably on your end
#547 [06:40] <JakouGR> !login
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#549 [06:43] <Old_Ben> it's not internet connection
#550 [06:43] <Old_Ben> now i ahve 9-10Mbps
#551 [06:43] <Old_Ben> have
#552 [06:43] <Old_Ben> and still internal error
#553 [06:43] <mib_lrqqkl> hello
#554 [06:44] <Boreeas> Old_Ben: Does any other server work
#555 [06:47] <Old_Ben> no
#556 [06:48] <mib_lrqqkl> you game minecraft
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#558 [06:53] <Mingeraft> Sunshine, sunshine reggae.
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#561 [07:23] <mib_l8ah5f> !check 195.241.14.150
#562 [07:23] <mib_l8ah5f> !check 195.241.14.150
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#564 [07:44] <Mingeraft> How do I make an enchanting bottle?
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#567 [07:57] <mib_l8ah5f> eh...
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#575 [08:37] <Mingeraft> Attempt to get the When Pigs Fly achievement has gone horribly wrong.
#576 [08:37] <Mingeraft> I didn't notice that the pig was falling into the lava pool.
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#581 [09:41] <Mingeraft> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sZuN0xXWLc Lul
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#584 [09:46] * ChanServ kicked SimenOlai from #minecrafthelp (Reason: imenOlai :User is banned from this channel)
#585 [09:49] <andrewxios> wtf? xD
#586 [09:50] <Grim_Reaper> Sounds like he got banned for an interesting reason
#587 [09:51] <Mingeraft> Who?
#588 [09:51] <Mingeraft> SimenOlai?
#589 [09:52] <Grim_Reaper> no idea
#590 [09:53] <Mingeraft> Yes, it was SimenOlai.
#591 [09:54] * oldtopman remembers that the guy was just a bit obnoxoius.
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#593 [10:13] <Morrolan> He got banned approximately two months ago I'd say.
#594 [10:14] <Morrolan> Was just _very_ annoying from what I recall.
#595 [10:16] <Grim_Reaper> Kinda like.. me?
#596 [10:16] <Grim_Reaper> :D
#597 [10:17] <Mingeraft> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTIklFsMjjU
#598 [10:17] <Mingeraft> I have no idea how did I found that.
#599 [10:17] <Mingeraft> I clicked a music video and that was in suggestions.
#600 [10:19] <Mingeraft> "They call him boss... Boss n-" no, let's stop.
#601 [10:19] <andrewxios> whats so racist against white people
#602 [10:20] <andrewxios> thats* xD
#603 [10:20] <Mingeraft> I don't see that racist in any way.
#604 [10:20] <andrewxios> they said they enjoyed shooting white guys
#605 [10:21] <Mingeraft> So?
#606 [10:22] <Mingeraft> He's a boss.
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#608 [10:30] <blakeman1> hi
#609 [10:30] <blakeman1> anyone need help?
#610 [10:30] <Morrolan> That's not really how it works. ;)
#611 [10:30] <blakeman1> D:
#612 [10:31] <blakeman1> stll...
#613 [10:31] <blakeman1> *still
#614 [10:31] * blakeman1 sighs
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#615 [10:46] <Mingeraft> How do I create an iron golem?
#616 [10:47] <Grim_Reaper> Make a snowman
#617 [10:47] <Grim_Reaper> But with iron blocks instead
#618 [10:47] <Grim_Reaper> Pumpkin as the head
#619 [10:47] <Grim_Reaper> Only placed the pumpkin last
#620 [10:47] <Grim_Reaper> place*
#621 [10:48] <Mingeraft> In the crafting table?
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#623 [10:50] <Grim_Reaper> No on the actual ground
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#626 [11:05] <cyber> hey
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#634 [11:14] <smerft> Hello
#635 [11:15] <smerft> I was setting up my server so I can play with my friends but I'm having some difficulties with my modem.
#636 [11:15] <Grim_Reaper> What exactly is the issue?
#637 [11:15] <smerft> I went into my modem and set up my IP adress, WAN and LAN port but it doesn't really work
#638 [11:16] <smerft> I have double checked the server.properties thing but it's ok I'm sure it's the modem
#639 [11:16] <smerft> what do I have to enter in the "IP Adress" as adress in my modem for the port?
#640 [11:16] <smerft> my IPv4 or my external?
#641 [11:17] <oldtopman> smerft: Leave the ip address thing there blank.
#642 [11:17] <smerft> Why? if I may ask
#643 [11:20] <oldtopman> That field restricts connections to one incoming address.
#644 [11:20] <oldtopman> If I write "192.168.254.101" (the address from the inside of the network)
#645 [11:20] <oldtopman> Then nobody using the external IP can get in.
#646 [11:22] <smerft> sorry the pizzaguy arrived
#647 [11:22] <smerft> But it says LAN IP
#648 [11:22] <oldtopman> owait
#649 [11:23] <oldtopman> In server.properties, leave that blank.
#650 [11:23] <oldtopman> You want to know what to put in yout router?
#651 [11:23] <smerft> yes
#652 [11:23] <oldtopman> What's the IP address of your computer?
#653 [11:23] <smerft> which one? I have a ton of IP's
#654 [11:23] <oldtopman> The server.
#655 [11:23] <smerft> the ipv4?
#656 [11:23] <oldtopman> Yes.
#657 [11:23] <oldtopman> Whatever is on there locally.
#658 [11:23] <smerft> let me check that
#659 [11:24] <smerft> 192.168.2.254
#660 [11:24] <oldtopman> That's what you're supposed to put on the router.
#661 [11:24] <smerft> ok
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#663 [11:25] <smerft> for your information, my Port Forwarding screen looks like: LAN IP: [...] Protocol type: [TCP&UDP] LAN port: [25565] Public port: [25565] Enable [Yes]
#664 [11:26] <smerft> and also, my IP is infact what I've entered in there
#665 [11:27] <smerft> and it still didn't work
#666 [11:27] <oldtopman> LAN IP: [192.168.2.254] Protocol type: [TCP&UDP] LAN port: [25565] Public port: [25565] Enable [Yes]
#667 [11:27] <oldtopman> That's what it should say.
#668 [11:27] <oldtopman> It still doesn't work?
#669 [11:27] <smerft> I've already done that
#670 [11:27] <oldtopman> What's your external IP?
#671 [11:27] <smerft> yes it doesnt work
#672 [11:28] <oldtopman> What's your external IP?
#673 [11:28] <smerft> let me check that
#674 [11:28] <smerft> 145.53.239.96
#675 [11:28] <oldtopman> !check 145.53.239.96
#676 [11:28] <oldtopman> nope :<
#677 [11:29] <smerft> I modified it to protect my privacy
#678 [11:29] <oldtopman> !check 145.53.239.97
#679 [11:29] <smerft> yes thats it
#680 [11:29] <oldtopman> Nope.
#681 [11:29] <oldtopman> Nope.
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#683 [11:30] <smerft> so what do I have to do?
#684 [11:30] * oldtopman advises you to learn up on IRC before you think you can hide everything :P
#684 [11:30] <oldtopman> well, no idea.
#685 [11:30] <oldtopman> Do you have all of your routers port forwarded?
#686 [11:30] <smerft> I only have a modem
#687 [11:31] <smerft> (sorry i'm to stupid to know the difference between a modem and a router)
#688 [11:31] <smerft> I have only a modem
#689 [11:32] <smerft> I have no port forwarded except 25565 (at least I hope so)
#690 [11:32] <smerft> LAN IP: [192.168.2.254] Protocol type: [TCP&UDP] LAN port: [25565] Public port: [25565] Enable [Yes]
#691 [11:32] <smerft> so this doesnt work
#692 [11:33] <smerft> Do you still have any advice?
#693 [11:33] <oldtopman> hrm
#694 [11:34] <smerft> If I try leaving LAN IP blank it says that I have to fill it in
#695 [11:34] <oldtopman> Well, I thought you were asking about server.properties
#696 [11:34] <oldtopman> My bad.
#697 [11:35] <smerft> So what could have gone wrong?
#698 [11:36] <oldtopman> What does the ethernet cable from your computer go into?
#699 [11:36] <smerft> I have a WiFi connection (it's a laptop
#700 [11:36] <smerft> )
#701 [11:37] <smerft> But I can connect it to my modem
#702 [11:37] <oldtopman> smerft: What is the wireless-AHA
#703 [11:37] <oldtopman> AHAHAHHAHAHAH
#704 [11:37] * oldtopman has found your problem
#704 [11:37] <smerft> what?
#705 [11:37] <oldtopman> Did you port forward from your modem, or from your wireless router?
#706 [11:38] <smerft> I don't understand. I am on a laptop. I went to my modem (http://192.168.2.254) then I port forwarded it
#707 [11:38] <smerft> My modem has WiFi
#708 [11:39] <smerft> We don't have a router
#709 [11:40] <smerft> but what was so funny?
#710 [11:40] <oldtopman> ah
#711 [11:40] <smerft> ?
#712 [11:40] <oldtopman> well, I was wrong one place, and right somewhere else.
#713 [11:40] <oldtopman> smerft: you're on windows, right?
#714 [11:41] <smerft> Windows 7 yes
#715 [11:41] <oldtopman> Open a command prompt and type in "ipconfig"
#716 [11:41] <smerft> cmd closes instantly as I open it
#717 [11:41] <smerft> so it's kina useless
#718 [11:42] <smerft> maybe I can make a batchfile out of it >>> ipconfig&&pause>nul
#719 [11:42] <oldtopman> ah
#720 [11:42] <oldtopman> Well, go for it
#721 [11:43] <smerft> nope ipconfig is not recognised as an internal or ex......
#722 [11:44] <smerft> I'm going over to Linux someday
#723 [11:45] <smerft> so anymore?
#724 [11:45] <smerft> ipconfig didn't really work
#725 [11:46] <smerft> hello?
#726 [11:47] <smerft> what do you want to know out of ipconfig?
#727 [11:47] <smerft> I have found the info in Control Panel
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#729 [11:49] <oldtopman> hrm
#730 [11:49] <oldtopman> WHat's the laptop's IP address?
#731 [11:49] <oldtopman> Put that in port forwarding instead.
#732 [11:49] <smerft> what do you mean? the LAN IP?
#733 [11:50] <smerft> which one?
#734 [11:51] <oldtopman> The laptop's lan ip
#735 [11:52] <smerft> I have here my WAN IP, subnetmask, Primary and Secondary DNS and the Gateway IP,
#736 [11:52] <oldtopman> er
#737 [11:52] <smerft> and the IPv4 adress
#738 [11:52] <oldtopman> What's the ipv4 address?
#739 [11:52] <smerft> 192.168.2.220
#740 [11:53] <oldtopman> Put that in the port forwarding page.
#741 [11:53] <smerft> ok
#742 [11:53] * oldtopman has to get going soon
#742 [11:53] <oldtopman> But if that doesn't work, come back later and tell them that oldtopman says youhave port forwarding issues.
#743 [11:54] <smerft> now lets start the server and check if it works
#744 [11:54] <smerft> ok
#745 [11:54] <oldtopman> !check 145.53.239.97
#746 [11:54] <smerft> what do I have to do in minecraft Server adress
#747 [11:54] <smerft> oh that
#748 [11:54] * oldtopman high-feves smerft
#748 [11:54] <oldtopman> It works!
#749 [11:55] <oldtopman> I have to go, but you did it!
#750 [11:55] <smerft> AAWWWWWWWWWW YEAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
#751 [11:55] * oldtopman poofs
#751 [11:55] <oldtopman> smerft: congrats :) and take no offense from the bot
#752 [11:55] <smerft> thanks
#753 [11:56] <smerft> lol
#754 [11:56] <smerft> I don't know how much thank you to say
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#756 [11:57] <smerft> If I'm on the server, how can I get some coloring?
#757 [11:57] <Nathan2055> smerft: What do you mean?
#758 [11:57] <smerft> I mean if I chat it says : <RijnBridge> hi
#759 [11:58] <Nathan2055> Yes, what's wrong with that?
#760 [11:58] <smerft> why doesnt it say: [A] <RijnBridge> hi
#761 [11:58] <smerft> like I'm admin
#762 [11:58] <Nathan2055> Because you...aren't an admin?
#763 [11:58] <smerft> I'm admin
#764 [11:58] <smerft> I own the server
#765 [11:58] <Nathan2055> Ah.
#766 [11:59] <smerft> where is oldtopman
#767 [11:59] <smerft> oh he had to leave
#768 [11:59] <smerft> hi Nathan
#769 [11:59] <Nathan2055> Then it's a bug concerning the server not recognizing you as owner.
#770 [11:59] <Nathan2055> Are you running the server, or paying someone to run it?
#771 [11:59] <smerft> when I connect to others' server, usually it says [N] <RijnBridge> hi
#772 [12:00] <smerft> then the [N] in yellow
#773 [12:00] <smerft> why?
#774 [12:00] <smerft> is that because of version 1.2?
#775 [12:00] <Nathan2055> I'm actually not that familiar with servers.
#776 [12:00] <smerft> ok
#777 [12:01] <Nathan2055> I do know enough to diagnose the problem being server-side.
#778 [12:01] <smerft> I'm an admin but how do I make myself op as well?
#779 [12:01] <Nathan2055> Admins are ops
#780 [12:01] <Nathan2055> There are actually above ops.
#781 [12:01] <Nathan2055> So you should be able to bust bedrock.
#782 [12:03] <smerft> cool
#783 [12:04] <Nathan2055> Is there anyone else here that has a bit more experience with SMP?
#784 [12:05] <smerft> nope I can't get thru bedrock
#785 [12:05] <Nathan2055> Are you running the server, or paying someone to run it?
#786 [12:05] <smerft> I have such server window because the server is running on my machine, I can kick players etc.
#787 [12:06] <Nathan2055> OK.
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#789 [12:06] <Nathan2055> The server is not recognizing you as admin.
#790 [12:08] <Nathan2055> I'm trying to figure out a way to fix this.
#791 [12:08] <Nathan2055> Is there anyone else online who knows more about servers and SMP?
#792 [12:09] <smerft> thanks I have to go
#793 [12:09] <smerft> ;)
#794 [12:09] <Nathan2055> Okay.
#795 [12:09] <Boreeas> Go to the console, op <Playername>
#796 [12:09] <Boreeas> Playername is case-sensitive
#797 [12:09] <smerft> ok
#798 [12:10] <Nathan2055> Thanks, Boreeas.
#799 [12:10] <Boreeas> Only other way is to stop the server, edit the ops.txt file and start the server again
#800 [12:10] <Boreeas> In vanilla, that is
#801 [12:10] <smerft> I already was op
#802 [12:10] <smerft> But I can't see that in the in-game char
#803 [12:10] <smerft> *chat
#804 [12:11] <Nathan2055> You said you couldn't break adminium.
#805 [12:11] <Boreeas> are you using Bukkit, smerft ?
#806 [12:11] <smerft> no
#807 [12:11] <smerft> neither I'm using Hamachi
#808 [12:11] <smerft> brb
#809 [12:11] <Boreeas> Hmm. Does vanilla even support prefixes?
#810 [12:12] <Nathan2055> In any case, until Bukkit merges with Minecraft Server, I'd use Bukkit.
#811 [12:12] <Boreeas> Nathan2055: We normally don't give support for Bukkit here, though, #bukkit and the plugin's respective channel are more often than not better at giving support for it
#812 [12:13] <Boreeas> Other than that, I agree
#813 [12:13] <Nathan2055> You can grab a copy of Bukkit at http://dl.bukkit.org/.
#814 [12:14] <Mingeraft> 1.2.3 messed up the lights.
#815 [12:14] <smerft> im back
#816 [12:14] <Nathan2055> Mingeraft: Hello again!
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#818 [12:14] <Nathan2055> Mingeraft: Explain your problem.
#819 [12:14] <Mingeraft> Nathan2055: Welcome, stranger.
#820 [12:15] <Wug> WHUD
#821 [12:15] * Wug falls from the sky
#821 [12:15] <Nathan2055> Mingeraft: Didn't I help you yesterday?
#822 [12:15] <Mingeraft> It's nothing important, sometimes I see pitch-black darkness, and it only updates when I walk into it.
#823 [12:15] <Mingeraft> Nathan2055, I think not.
#824 [12:15] <Wug> Mingeraft: minecraft has been doing that since forever
#825 [12:15] <Boreeas> WHUD? Is that some fancy kind of display?
#826 [12:15] <Boreeas> Thw Wug-HUD
#827 [12:15] <smerft> Minegeraft: I get that too
#828 [12:15] <Wug> you can also place a torch next to it to make it update
#829 [12:15] <Nathan2055> Mingeraft: Yes, that's a normal problem.
#830 [12:15] <smerft> just do render distance normal
#831 [12:16] <Nathan2055> Annoying, but fixable.
#832 [12:16] <smerft> if your RAM can handle
#833 [12:16] <Mingeraft> I'm Mingeraft, not Minegeraft.
#834 [12:16] <smerft> ok
#835 [12:16] <Wug> :tc
#836 [12:16] <Nathan2055> Mingeraft: Someone else must have used your same nick.
#837 [12:16] <Mingeraft> Impossible.
#838 [12:17] <Wug> ;+ You can auto-complete other peoples names in most clients by typing the first few letters of the name and pressing the TAB key. This feature is collectively referred to as "tab completion".
#839 [12:17] <Wug> ... crap
#840 [12:17] <Wug> ;+ tc You can auto-complete other peoples names in most clients by typing the first few letters of the name and pressing the TAB key. This feature is collectively referred to as "tab completion".
#841 [12:17] <Wug> ;- you
#842 [12:18] <Nathan2055> Mingeraft: Were you on this channel yesterday?
#843 [12:19] <Wug> he probably was
#844 [12:19] <Wug> he was definitely here the day before that
#845 [12:19] * Nathan2055 shrugs
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#849 [12:24] <Nathan2055> Drat. I hate Mibbit!
#850 [12:25] <Wug> use something else
#851 [12:25] <Boreeas> Simple: Son't use mibbit
#852 [12:26] <Nathan2055> Yes. mIRC or something would be much better.
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#854 [12:26] <Nathan2055> Whenever I use the "/quit" command, it kills the server connection.
#855 [12:26] <Nathan2055> Very annoying.
#856 [12:27] <escapeplan> Hi there, I'm a ubuntu-user having huge problems with getting my minecraft to work
#857 [12:27] <Nathan2055> escapeplan: Explain your troubles.
#858 [12:30] <Nathan2055> escapeplan?
#859 [12:31] <smerft> Hi Nathan, I used craftbukkit as you said but when I try to log in, it "takes too long to log in
#860 [12:32] <Nathan2055> smerft: Did you use http://wiki.bukkit.org/Setting_up_a_server as a guide?
#861 [12:32] <smerft> Oh wait suddenly I realise my laptop is really crappy because it runs on 2 GB which simply isn't enough to run Minecraft and Windows at the same time
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#863 [12:33] <smerft> * 2 gb ram
#864 [12:33] <Nathan2055> Are you trying to run a server and a client on the same PC?
#865 [12:33] <smerft> yep
#866 [12:34] * Nathan2055 shakes his head
#866 [12:34] <smerft> I'll try to run it on an other PC.
#867 [12:34] <Nathan2055> Impossible.
#868 [12:34] <smerft> why impossible
#869 [12:34] <Nathan2055> You need to have the server on a different PC.
#870 [12:34] <Nathan2055> It's barely able to work on a gaming monster PC.
#871 [12:34] <smerft> ok
#872 [12:34] <Nathan2055> Here.
#873 [12:35] <smerft> so simply just copy folder to other computer
#874 [12:35] <Nathan2055> Darn this PC.
#875 [12:35] <smerft> I hate my laptop
#876 [12:35] <Nathan2055> Boreeas: Would that work?
#877 [12:35] <smerft> BTW it's Celeron, imagine that
#878 [12:35] <Nathan2055> I'm running a Celeron...
#879 [12:36] <Nathan2055> I can barely get the vanilla client to run.
#880 [12:36] <Boreeas> Nathan2055: Would what work?
#881 [12:36] <Nathan2055> I typically have to use OptiFine (a performance mod).
#882 [12:36] <smerft> thanks for help, I'll try doing that on a better PC. brb
#883 [12:36] <Boreeas> The client is usually more performance heavy than the server in my experience
#884 [12:36] <Nathan2055> "so simply just copy folder to other computer"
#885 [12:36] <Boreeas> Nathan2055: Yeah, that would work
#886 [12:36] <smerft> I lold
#887 [12:37] <smerft> because I have to set up crappy Java 6 on that computer in CMD
#888 [12:37] <smerft> as variable
#889 [12:37] <smerft> no wait how do you call that?
#890 [12:37] <smerft> as command
#891 [12:37] <smerft> so let's try that.
#892 [12:37] <Nathan2055> Well, anything's better than running MC from a browser.
#893 [12:38] <Mingeraft> Is there an alternative source of slime for making sticky pistons, or it's better to use an inventory editor?
#894 [12:39] <Boreeas> smerft: Java 6 is actually the recommended version of JAva for Minecraft
#895 [12:43] <Nathan2055> Mingeraft: Is this Survival or Creative (I bet it's survival..)?
#896 [12:43] <Nathan2055> ?? in-browser
#897 [12:43] <VoxelHead> in-browser: To play Minecraft in a browser rather than with the downaded client, go here: http://www.minecraft.net/game/
#898 [12:43] <Mingeraft> It's survival.
#899 [12:44] <Nathan2055> Mingeraft: No, until Jeb implements new Slime spawn calcs in 1.3 or later your stuck with an inveditor.
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#901 [12:44] <mib_xdcshm> hello
#902 [12:44] <sugoi> smerft: i can run client+server on some of my machines, but they have 4core 2.4ghz or better, 4-9gb ram, and 2g ram video cards; i don't think it's impossible, but would be a bit heavy for a typical computer
#903 [12:44] <sugoi> 4-8*
#904 [12:44] <mib_xdcshm> you max ok
#905 [12:45] <Nathan2055> Sugoi: He's running a Celeron.
#906 [12:45] <Nathan2055> mib_xdcshm: What are you talking about?
#907 [12:45] <sugoi> Nathan2055: i saw that - i'm not saying his will handle it well, only showing what i have that does
#908 [12:45] <mib_xdcshm> :O
#909 [12:46] <Nathan2055> mib_xdcshm: Do you have a question?
#910 [12:46] <Nathan2055> ??> mibbit
#911 [12:46] <mib_xdcshm> zu minecraft
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#913 [12:47] <Nathan2055> ??>> Nathan2055 mibbit
#914 [12:47] <Dragunov> hey, i went west of map0. how can i get my map to change to correct one?
#915 [12:47] <Nathan2055> Dragunov: Craft a new map.
#916 [12:47] <Nathan2055> mib_xdcshm: Huh?
#917 [12:47] <Boreeas> Nathan2055: There is also ??< <factoid>
#918 [12:47] <Boreeas> Nathan2055: There is also ??< <factoid>
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#920 [12:48] <Nathan2055> Boreeas: Gives me an error.
#921 [12:48] <Boreeas> ??< index
#922 [12:48] <Boreeas> Works fine for me
#923 [12:48] <Nathan2055> "Syntax: ??faq nick keyword"
#924 [12:48] <Nathan2055> ??< index
#925 [12:48] <Boreeas> ??< mibbit
#926 [12:48] <Nathan2055> ??< mibbit
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#928 [12:49] <Nathan2055> Boreeas: I hit the wrong key!
#929 [12:49] <Boreeas> That factoid does for some reason not mention chatzilla :<
#930 [12:49] <Nathan2055> Boreeas: What client do you run?
#931 [12:50] <Boreeas> Chatzilla
#932 [12:50] <Boreeas> :D
#933 [12:50] <Mingeraft> There really needs to be difference between male and female villagers.
#934 [12:51] <Nathan2055> Mingeraft: I don't know.
#935 [12:51] <Mingeraft> Now it looks a little bit awkward.
#936 [12:51] <Nathan2055> Boreeas: I would use it, but I use Chrome.
#937 [12:51] <Boreeas> Ah, too bad
#938 [12:52] <Nathan2055> Yeah.
#939 [12:52] <sugoi> Mingeraft: make an embarrassing mistake?
#940 [12:53] <Nathan2055> escapeplan seems to have left.
#941 [12:53] <Boreeas> Nathan2055: Well, I guess you could use XULRunner to run Chatzilla independently
#942 [12:53] <Nathan2055> He tried to explain his problem in a PM.
#943 [12:54] <Nathan2055> Said he used something called the "Minecraft installer 2.0" to run on Ubuntu and busted his install.
#944 [12:54] <Boreeas> :|
#945 [12:54] <Nathan2055> I guess it's a mod.
#946 [12:54] <EyesIsMine> lolubuntu
#947 [12:54] <Morrolan> It's a script which installs it on Ubunut.
#948 [12:54] <Morrolan> Will add a shortcut to the desktop etc etc
#949 [12:55] <Nathan2055> Morrolan: Oh.
#950 [12:55] <Nathan2055> Here, why don't I paste what he said in the channel.
#951 [12:55] <EyesIsMine> no
#952 [12:55] <Boreeas> EyesIsMine: Do you have a problem with Ubuntu?
#953 [12:55] <EyesIsMine> yes
#954 [12:55] <Boreeas> Nathan2055: Don't
#955 [12:55] <Boreeas> Nathan2055: Please use pastebin
#956 [12:56] <Nathan2055> http://mibpaste.com/JnN4de
#957 [12:56] <EyesIsMine> ??> Nathan2055 mibpaste
#958 [12:56] <EyesIsMine> what
#959 [12:56] <Nathan2055> ?? mibpaste
#960 [12:56] <Morrolan> Nothing wrong with mibpaste, now is there.
#961 [12:56] <EyesIsMine> yes
#962 [12:56] <EyesIsMine> it's used by mibbit users
#963 [12:56] <escapeplan> No I'm here !
#964 [12:56] <Morrolan> You should watch your attitude a bit, EyesIsMine.
#965 [12:57] <Boreeas> ^
#966 [12:57] <EyesIsMine> I do, he just gets a bit boring sometimes
#967 [12:57] <Nathan2055> Ditto
#968 [12:57] <EyesIsMine> so I watch something else
#969 [12:57] <Boreeas> escapeplan: Launch the script from the console
#970 [12:57] <Boreeas> escapeplan: Look for errors
#971 [12:57] <Morrolan> Why does your friend even use that script, btw?
#972 [12:57] <Nathan2055> (I was dittoing Morrolan.)
#973 [12:58] <EyesIsMine> because he uses ubuntu
#974 [12:58] <EyesIsMine> and he doesn't know any better
#975 [12:58] <Morrolan> See, EyesIsMine, that's what I mean.
#976 [12:58] <Boreeas> Morrolan: If I read that correctly, it adds shortcuts and helps managing the JDK
#977 [12:58] <Boreeas> Morrolan: While I went basic and just added an alias to the launcher :P
#978 [12:58] <Nathan2055> EyesIsMine: I would stop being against free software.
#979 [12:58] <EyesIsMine> I'm not against it
#980 [12:58] <EyesIsMine> I'm against ubuntu
#981 [12:58] <EyesIsMine> debian > ubuntu
#982 [12:59] <Nathan2055> And Mibbit, apparently
#983 [12:59] <Morrolan> Boreeas - Ah. ^^
#984 [12:59] <Boreeas> EyesIsMine: Ubuntu is perfect for beginners.
#985 [12:59] <EyesIsMine> lol
#986 [12:59] <EyesIsMine> if you're in linux, you shouldn't be a beginner
#987 [12:59] <EyesIsMine> mint is better for beginners
#988 [12:59] <Nathan2055> escapeplan: Why don't you try launching the jar?
#989 [12:59] <Boreeas> Debian requires more configuring and has more basic support
#990 [12:59] <Boreeas> Same for mint
#991 [13:00] <EyesIsMine> ubuntu is made of bugs
#992 [13:00] <EyesIsMine> that's why it's ubuntu
#993 [13:00] <Nathan2055> EyesIsMine: Debian and Mint are hard to configure for Linux noobs.
#994 [13:00] <EyesIsMine> not really
#995 [13:00] <Nathan2055> As far as I know, Ubuntu isn't buggy.
#996 [13:00] <Boreeas> yes really
#997 [13:01] <EyesIsMine> not realy
#998 [13:01] <Nathan2055> escapeplan: https://s3.amazonaws.com/MinecraftDownload/launcher/minecraft.jar
#999 [13:01] <EyesIsMine> Nathan2055, ubuntu is made of lag then
#1000 [13:01] <Boreeas> Anyways, EyesIsMine, you should take your hate to #minecraft
#1001 [13:01] <EyesIsMine> it's not hate
#1002 [13:01] <EyesIsMine> it's good advice
#1003 [13:01] <sugoi> hardly
#1004 [13:01] <Nathan2055> EyesIsMine: No, it's libel against a good OS.
#1005 [13:01] <EyesIsMine> bad* FTFY
#1006 [13:02] <Eddie> There are bugs in Ubuntu like in every other OS
#1007 [13:02] <Boreeas> EyesIsMine: Stop it, take it to an offtopic channel
#1008 [13:02] <Nathan2055> escapeplan: That link is from http://www.minecraft.net/download if you want to be safe.
#1009 [13:02] <EyesIsMine> bleh
#1010 [13:02] <Nathan2055> EyesIsMine: You will get kicked if you continue this off-topic behavior.
#1011 [13:03] <EyesIsMine> good for me
#1012 [13:03] <escapeplan> Does not work
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#1014 [13:03] <EyesIsMine> escapeplan, got sun java installed?
#1015 [13:03] <Nathan2055> escapeplan: Launch it using the command on http://www.minecraft.net/download.
#1016 [13:03] <Nathan2055> Sorry, http://www.minecraft.net/download (grabbed the period)
#1017 [13:03] <escapeplan> did not work :/
#1018 [13:04] <EyesIsMine> escapeplan, got sun java installed?
#1019 [13:04] <Nathan2055> Do you have Java?
#1020 [13:04] <Nathan2055> ?? java
#1021 [13:04] <VoxelHead> java: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre-6u30-download-1377142.html
#1022 [13:04] <Boreeas> escapeplan: What do you get if you launch the script from the console
#1023 [13:04] <EyesIsMine> terminal*
#1024 [13:04] <Boreeas> ...
#1025 [13:04] <EyesIsMine> apparently a quit
#1026 [13:04] <Nathan2055> Looks like his client bugged.
#1027 [13:05] <EyesIsMine> or he closed the window
#1028 [13:05] <sugoi> ;kick EyesIsMine "Because we were all just waiting for it"
#1029 [13:05] * WugBot kicked EyesIsMine from #minecrafthelp (Reason: yesIsMine :"Because we were all just waiting for it")
#1030 [13:05] * EyesIsMine [EyesIsMine@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#1031 [13:05] <EyesIsMine> first freenode, now espernet
#1032 [13:05] <Nathan2055> sugoi, he's back.
#1033 [13:05] <Boreeas> Nathan2055: We noticed
#1034 [13:05] <sugoi> Nathan2055: we haven't banned him
#1035 [13:06] * EyesIsMine returns to stargate
#1035 [13:06] <Nathan2055> EyesIsMine: Go to #minecraft
#1036 [13:06] <EyesIsMine> no
#1037 [13:06] <Boreeas> Nathan2055: A kick is most commonly used for a warning, not to actually keep anyone out of a channel
#1038 [13:06] <Nathan2055> This is a help channel, not a discussion channel
#1039 [13:06] <EyesIsMine> moist
#1040 [13:06] * EyesIsMine returns to other pc
#1040 [13:08] * Nathan2055 ignores EyesIsMine
#1040 [13:08] <EyesIsMine> same at you
#1041 [13:08] <Eddie> Enough
#1042 [13:08] <Eddie> >.>
#1043 [13:08] <Nathan2055> Problem solved for me.
#1044 [13:09] * EyesIsMine wants a geniune problem to come along
#1044 [13:09] * Nathan2055 idles and waits for people to help
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#1049 [13:37] <smerft> Hello people I'm back again
#1050 [13:38] <smerft> (If you remember me from this chat an hour ago)
#1051 [13:38] <smerft> I've managed to get Minecraft server running with craftbukkit on an other computer
#1052 [13:38] <smerft> That computer is also connected with WiFi to my modem
#1053 [13:39] <smerft> When I open Minecraft from my laptop, I can see my server is running
#1054 [13:39] <smerft> But it takes too long to log in
#1055 [13:39] <smerft> It takes so long to log in that it refuses to connect
#1056 [13:39] <Morrolan> Client and server version do not match.
#1057 [13:40] <smerft> What is the latest version?
#1058 [13:40] <Nathan2055> I goofed. Bukkit hasn't updated yet.
#1059 [13:40] <Morrolan> http://forums.bukkit.org/threads/craftbukkit-1-2-3-r0-1-is-now-available.63380/ would be a 1.2-compatible version of CraftBukkit
#1060 [13:40] <Morrolan> It's a beta build, so might be slightly unstable
#1061 [13:40] <Nathan2055> Yes, that would work.
#1062 [13:40] <smerft> but will it work, is the question
#1063 [13:40] <smerft> I will try that out
#1064 [13:40] <Nathan2055> Anyway, I need to go.
#1065 [13:40] <smerft> Back in a minute
#1066 [13:41] <Nathan2055> See you all later!
#1067 [13:41] <smerft> bye
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#1070 [13:44] <Mingeraft> Hello.
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#1073 [13:46] <smerft> It works! The only disadvantage is 3 FPS
#1074 [13:46] <sugoi> :/
#1075 [13:47] <smerft> nah I just had to let it render
#1076 [13:47] <smerft> but it works
#1077 [13:47] <smerft> It works better now
#1078 [13:47] <smerft> Thanks everyone!
#1079 [13:47] <smerft> bye
#1080 [13:47] <smerft> bye
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#1082 [13:51] <Mingeraft> sugoi
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#1084 [13:56] <kostiak> Hey guys, trying to run a minecraft server on linux, but i keep getting "took too long to log in"
#1085 [13:56] <Mingeraft> It
#1086 [13:57] <Mingeraft> It's server problem.
#1087 [13:57] <kostiak> ...
#1088 [13:57] <kostiak> how do i find out what the problem is?
#1089 [13:57] <Mingeraft> Magic.
#1090 [13:57] <kostiak> anyone with anything helpful to say?
#1091 [13:58] <Morrolan> It's when the client's and the server's version don't match, kostiak.
#1092 [13:58] <kostiak> hmm
#1093 [13:58] <Morrolan> Mingeraft - If you don't have anything intelligent to add, don't bother. ;)
#1094 [13:58] <kostiak> ok i think that makes sense, i fogot to update the server jar, DERP
#1095 [13:59] <Morrolan> Heh, happens to many people, no worries. ;)
#1096 [13:59] <kostiak> thanks, will try again in a sec :)
#1097 [13:59] <Mingeraft> I still have that boss song in my head.
#1098 [14:00] <kostiak> you guys want to help me test my server?
#1099 [14:01] <Mingeraft> Maybe, sniff, maybe.
#1100 [14:01] <Omen> Hilarious. I can stack boxes and boxes of TNT on lava/magma as long as it's raining
#1101 [14:01] <Omen> I am going to have a massive hole when the rain stops
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#1103 [14:04] <kostiak> ok here we go:
#1104 [14:04] <kostiak> 85.250.184.208:9001
#1105 [14:05] <Mingeraft> I've connected.
#1106 [14:06] <kostiak> how is it? works fine?
#1107 [14:06] <Mingeraft> Yes, it works fine.
#1108 [14:06] <kostiak> cool :D
#1109 [14:07] <Mingeraft> But well, I cannot place blocks.
#1110 [14:07] <kostiak> try to go out a bit further from spawn
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#1112 [14:07] <Mingeraft> Works now.
#1113 [14:08] <kostiak> :D :D :D
#1114 [14:08] <Mingeraft> Is that what you wanted?
#1115 [14:08] <kostiak> actually wait
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#1117 [14:10] <kostiak> looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
#1118 [14:10] <kostiak> server ran out of memory DERP
#1119 [14:12] <Omen> in just build mode, is there any commands or way to control the weather?
#1120 [14:14] <kostiak> can someone try to connect to it again?
#1121 [14:16] <sugoi> ;check kostiak
#1122 [14:16] <WugBot> Unable to connect to address: IGLD-84-229-196-32.inter.net.il:25565 (Timed out)
#1123 [14:16] <kostiak> ?
#1124 [14:16] <kostiak> the server is not on this ip...
#1125 [14:17] <sugoi> Omen: only with mods
#1126 [14:17] <Omen> k
#1127 [14:17] <kostiak> 85.250.184.208:9001
#1128 [14:17] <kostiak> can anyone try that one?
#1129 [14:17] <sugoi> ;check 85.250.184.208:9001
#1130 [14:17] <WugBot> 85.250.184.208:9001 seems to host a minecraft server: A Minecraft Server (0/20)
#1131 [14:17] <kostiak> lol cool func
#1132 [14:17] * sugoi also thnks WugBot is funky
#1132 [14:17] <Mingeraft> kostiak.
#1133 [14:18] <Mingeraft> I am dissapoint.
#1134 [14:18] <kostiak> why is that?
#1135 [14:18] <Mingeraft> I cannot fly in your server
#1136 [14:18] <kostiak> it was in vanilla survival mode
#1137 [14:18] <kostiak> is*
#1138 [14:18] <kostiak> ;check 85.250.184.208:9001
#1139 [14:18] <WugBot> 85.250.184.208:9001 seems to host a minecraft server: A Minecraft Server (1/20)
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#1141 [14:19] <Mingeraft> Maybe allow flying?
#1142 [14:19] <Mingeraft> I think there should be an option in config or something.
#1143 [14:19] <kostiak> hmm
#1144 [14:19] <kostiak> you sure?
#1145 [14:19] <Mingeraft> IDK
#1146 [14:19] <Mingeraft> I never hosted a server.
#1147 [14:20] <kostiak> ok let me try and take a look
#1148 [14:21] <Sakura_Solo> Speaking of server, quick question: amingst my router is a BUTT and thus port forwarding won't work properly but I can't afford a new one, is there anywhere I can get free MC server hosting?
#1149 [14:21] <kostiak> a router without port forwarding? O_o you sure?
#1150 [14:21] <kostiak> also, "allow-flight=true", let me restart it
#1151 [14:22] <kostiak> Mingeraft: try to fly now
#1152 [14:22] <Sakura_Solo> Its not that it doesn't allow it, its just not the best router, as in its a cheaper NetGear model that never REALLY worked right to start with.
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#1154 [14:23] <sugoi> Mingeraft: kostiak: `/mode [player] 1` sets [player] to creative mode, and 'double-jump' goes to flight, like in creative mode
#1155 [14:23] <kostiak> i managed to port forward on the most cheap chienese knock-offs
#1156 [14:23] <Mingeraft> It works now.
#1157 [14:23] <kostiak> :)
#1158 [14:23] <Sakura_Solo> Yeah, every time I try to port forwrd, it keeps saying the port is busy, yet it shows nothing ON that port.
#1159 [14:23] <Mingeraft> will you mind if I'll cheat a little on your server?
#1160 [14:24] <kostiak> Mingeraft: not at all, but i might close it again soon, so don't plan anything too pemenent
#1161 [14:24] <kostiak> permenent
#1162 [14:24] <Sakura_Solo> Point is, I'm just looking for some free hosting so just two, maybe three at MOST can play on a server.
#1163 [14:24] <Mingeraft> Nothing like that, just trying out the cheats.
#1164 [14:24] <kostiak> Sakura_Solo: dont think that
#1165 [14:24] <kostiak> dont think thats possible
#1166 [14:24] <sugoi> Sakura_Solo: you can try to hard reset your router
#1167 [14:24] <kostiak> minecraft servers are REALLY resource expensive
#1168 [14:25] <sugoi> Sakura_Solo: it'd be easy to find public servers tho, but for your own private use, no
#1169 [14:25] <kostiak> i can run a huge web server on my box, but i can barely get a 4 person minecraft server on it
#1170 [14:25] <Sakura_Solo> Hm, maybe we'll try the DropBox method.
#1171 [14:25] <kostiak> which is?
#1172 [14:26] <Sakura_Solo> Its a bit difficult to explain. Basically its an app that nets people together in a shared folder.
#1173 [14:26] <kostiak> if you really want to, and you are sure ports wont work, you should try to run it via hamachi
#1174 [14:27] <Sakura_Solo> Tried hamachi. It won't work either, and when I mentioned Hamachi on this channel once before I got laughed at. o.o
#1175 [14:27] <kostiak> i know what dropbox is, don't know how you would use it with minecraft.. turns?
#1176 [14:27] <kostiak> wait, are you sure it didn't work?
#1177 [14:27] <kostiak> i have a few friends who play using hamachi
#1178 [14:27] <Sakura_Solo> I'm sure.
#1179 [14:27] <sugoi> hamachi has big issues with minecraft connections
#1180 [14:28] <sugoi> works for some, in some cases, for some of the time
#1181 [14:28] <kostiak> yeah it's not perfect, but it's better than nothing
#1182 [14:29] <Sakura_Solo> Hm.
#1183 [14:29] <sugoi> Sakura_Solo: again, have you tried hard reseting your router
#1184 [14:30] <kostiak> ^
#1185 [14:30] <sugoi> and then afterwards, setup port forwarding
#1186 [14:30] <Sakura_Solo> Yup, several times.
#1187 [14:30] <Sakura_Solo> Still didn't work.
#1188 [14:30] <kostiak> worked for my former cheap ass router
#1189 [14:30] <kostiak> ;check 85.250.184.208:9001
#1190 [14:30] <WugBot> 85.250.184.208:9001 seems to host a minecraft server: A Minecraft Server (1/20)
#1191 [14:31] <sugoi> Sakura_Solo: you said the port is reported 'busy'?
#1192 [14:31] <Sakura_Solo> Hm, so maybe I should try a port other than 25565?
#1193 [14:31] <Sakura_Solo> Yup, yet it shows nothing as USING the port.
#1194 [14:31] <kostiak> yup
#1195 [14:31] <kostiak> try it
#1196 [14:31] <sugoi> Sakura_Solo: ... was going to suggest another port
#1197 [14:32] <Sakura_Solo> See, I set up port forwarding BEFORE and it worked FINE, but suddenly it died.
#1198 [14:32] <sugoi> then i doubt you've actually hard reset your router
#1199 [14:32] <Sakura_Solo> Mmkay, what port do you suggest?
#1200 [14:32] <kostiak> anything above 1000
#1201 [14:32] <sugoi> Sakura_Solo: and it likely stopped working because your server was assigned a new ip, and the forwarding is to the old ip
#1202 [14:32] <Sakura_Solo> ... I've shut off the power, unplugged it and everything.
#1203 [14:32] <sugoi> Sakura_Solo: that's not a hard reset
#1204 [14:32] <Sakura_Solo> My IP never changed!
#1205 [14:33] <kostiak> your ip changes
#1206 [14:33] <sugoi> Sakura_Solo: not your public ip, your dhcp ip
#1207 [14:33] <kostiak> both of em change
#1208 [14:33] <sugoi> the ip your router assigns each computer
#1209 [14:33] <Sakura_Solo> Not according to whatismyip.com
#1210 [14:33] <sugoi> kostiak: it is fair to say the public didn't change
#1211 [14:33] <sugoi> kostiak: mine hasn't changed in 6 months
#1212 [14:33] <kostiak> i had a friend who kept saying his doesn't change for a year and a half till it changed
#1213 [14:33] <sugoi> Sakura_Solo: find a tiny hole in the casing of the router, there'll be a tiny button inside, use a pin to press it, while the router is on
#1214 [14:34] <kostiak> you have a changing ip, it's just not changing often
#1215 [14:34] <sugoi> Sakura_Solo: everything will reset to factory settings, password too
#1216 [14:34] <kostiak> (static ips are not cheap)
#1217 [14:34] <sugoi> kostiak: he didn't say it doesn't change, he said it 'never changed'
#1218 [14:34] <Sakura_Solo> I'll try that later. For now I'll try another port.
#1219 [14:34] <kostiak> fair enough
#1220 [14:34] <kostiak> btw, sugoi, how much do you know about linux?
#1221 [14:35] <sugoi> kostiak: a fair amount, anyone who says they know a lot is lieing tho, imo
#1222 [14:35] <kostiak> yup
#1223 [14:35] <Sakura_Solo> For purposes of easy rememberance, think port 1234 would be a good idea?
#1224 [14:35] <sugoi> kostiak: ive configured >50 gentoo boxes in my life probably, and been running gentoo servers for about 8 years
#1225 [14:35] <kostiak> anyways, got any suggestions about how to set up a free dynamic dns that will autoupdate using linux?
#1226 [14:35] <Sakura_Solo> I'm a cake decorator, not a networking engineer. XD So I apologize if I sound dumb.
#1227 [14:36] <sugoi> Sakura_Solo: anything 1-65535 is fine, but recommended to use something above 1000 as <1000 are typically in use and/or reserved (unless you know what you're doing)
#1228 [14:36] <kostiak> ;check 85.250.184.208:9001
#1229 [14:36] <WugBot> 85.250.184.208:9001 seems to host a minecraft server: A Minecraft Server (0/20)
#1230 [14:36] <sugoi> kostiak: i personally use domain regsitration, but i have a bud that created a nice auto-update script for his machines (with dyndns)
#1231 [14:37] <sugoi> kostiak: i'll check if i have that script, if not, ask me in 24 hours and i can get it for you
#1232 [14:37] <kostiak> is that for a free sub-domain?
#1233 [14:37] <kostiak> i don't want to buy a proper domain for now
#1234 [14:38] <sugoi> kostiak: dyndns? yeah, gives you a free name, you give the ip
#1235 [14:38] <Sakura_Solo> All right, and just to make sure I'm not being stupid here (Though I've tried both and neither work) do I use my IPv4 address of my Default Gateway address?
#1236 [14:38] <kostiak> can i have a link to it?
#1237 [14:38] <sugoi> kostiak: i was saying I buy domains, but my friend uses dyndns with an auto-update he wrote
#1238 [14:38] <sugoi> dydns? http://dyndns.com
#1239 [14:38] <sugoi> Sakura_Solo: you forward to the ip of the server machine's ip
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#1241 [14:39] <sugoi> Sakura_Solo: and note, that ip will change, but you can later configure your router to not give _that_ machine a different ip (reserve it)
#1242 [14:39] <kostiak> that doesn't seem free
#1243 [14:39] <sugoi> Sakura_Solo: but google that on your own time
#1244 [14:39] <sugoi> kostiak: dydns?
#1245 [14:39] <sugoi> kostiak: they might have paid options, but it is surely free
#1246 [14:40] <kostiak> that's what i thought, but i can't find the free option
#1247 [14:41] <kostiak> oh.. is that the free trial?
#1248 [14:41] <sugoi> kostiak: no
#1249 [14:41] <sugoi> the script i have from him is to email you when your ip changed, but there are tools that are designs to work with dydns
#1250 [14:41] <sugoi> dyndns*
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#1252 [14:42] <kostiak> yes
#1253 [14:42] <kostiak> ok sec
#1254 [14:43] <Boreeas> sugoi: AFAIK dyndns has no longer a free plan
#1255 [14:43] <sugoi> Boreeas: i was just reading that too...
#1256 [14:43] <kostiak> yeah i cant find the free plan
#1257 [14:43] <sugoi> kostiak: sorry for the misinformation
#1258 [14:43] <kostiak> yeah i used to use thier free plan back in the day
#1259 [14:43] <Boreeas> In which case it is probablxy easier to move the whole stuff to a remote vserver
#1260 [14:45] <sugoi> kostiak: i bet there are other free options
#1261 [14:45] <kostiak> any tips?
#1262 [14:46] <sugoi> kostiak: i've done no research in the area :) i used to use dydns years ago, have since paid for my names
#1263 [14:46] <sugoi> kostiak: so check some out, read about them in forums, and go with it :)
#1264 [14:46] <Sakura_Solo> Okay, open port tool says the port is open when I run the server now. Now I just need to download the new server software from Minecraft.net. n.n
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#1266 [14:46] <sugoi> Sakura_Solo: sounds good :)
#1267 [14:47] <JohnQ> I'm getting loads of server crashes whenever certain people log in: java.lang.ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException: -8 Known issue?
#1268 [14:47] <JohnQ> It seems to be related to the player's .dat file...
#1269 [14:47] <sugoi> JohnQ: maybe they are in a corrupted state
#1270 [14:47] <JohnQ> If I delete the file... they can log in again.
#1271 [14:47] <sugoi> JohnQ: move said , ok
#1272 [14:47] <JohnQ> I just had a rash of it...
#1273 [14:47] <sugoi> JohnQ: but they lose their inventory? :)
#1274 [14:48] <JohnQ> 3 users impacted.
#1275 [14:48] <sugoi> JohnQ: i see two options, well 3
#1276 [14:48] <JohnQ> Yeah.. the one I tested that with was a new user who had no inventory ;-)
#1277 [14:48] <sugoi> 1. op and give them items one by one back
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#1279 [14:48] <kostiak> sugoi: if i do decide to buy a domain, where do you suggest to do it?
#1280 [14:48] <sugoi> 2. use a world editor tool and 'move' the player to a new location (might fix); mcedit
#1281 [14:48] <Boreeas> kostiak: What country do you live in?
#1282 [14:48] <JohnQ> does mcedit support the new 1.2.x format?
#1283 [14:49] <sugoi> kostiak: oh i don't know .... i use godaddy but their sopa issue was questionable
#1284 [14:49] <sugoi> JohnQ: it does now, yes
#1285 [14:49] <kostiak> Boreeas: israel, why?
#1286 [14:49] <Boreeas> Hmm
#1287 [14:49] <sugoi> JohnQ: 3rd option...maybe there is a tool specific for playe files
#1288 [14:49] <Boreeas> kostiak: You probably want a server near your location, except if you want an international server
#1289 [14:49] <|Kiikun|Janus|> sugoi: nbtedit?
#1290 [14:49] <JohnQ> Okay.. so that fixes the symptom...
#1291 [14:49] <kostiak> im talking about domains, not a server
#1292 [14:50] <sugoi> |Kiikun|: sure, but i use mcedit, and i've been told from users here it works with 1.2 now
#1293 [14:50] <Sakura_Solo> Okay, test run. One of you, if its not too much trouble, please check and see if you can login to 66.169.61.237 on port 1234.
#1294 [14:50] <sugoi> JohnQ: heh, yeah - i don't know how it got to that state
#1295 [14:50] <JohnQ> But, is there anything that I can do to prevent it from happening to begin with?
#1296 [14:50] <kostiak> ;check 66.169.61.237:1234
#1297 [14:50] <WugBot> 66.169.61.237:1234 seems to host a minecraft server: Skylight City (0/20)
#1298 [14:50] <kostiak> ^
#1299 [14:50] <|Kiikun|Janus|> woo. skylight
#1300 [14:50] <Boreeas> kostiak: I guess a domain won't help you without a static ip behind it
#1301 [14:50] <|Kiikun|Janus|> !check works too
#1302 [14:50] <kostiak> grats, Sakura_Solo :)
#1303 [14:51] <kostiak> Boreeas: hmm.. isn't there a good way to use a dynamic ip with a domain?
#1304 [14:51] <Sakura_Solo> Yay. n.n
#1305 [14:51] <Sakura_Solo> ... odd, its not showing me as connectable.
#1306 [14:51] <|Kiikun|Janus|> Sakura_Solo: you on the computer runnign the server?
#1307 [14:51] <Sakura_Solo> Yup.
#1308 [14:51] <kostiak> connect to 127.0.0.1
#1309 [14:51] <|Kiikun|Janus|> use localhost at the hostname
#1310 [14:51] <Boreeas> kostiak: I wouldn't think there is. I'd recommend getting a vserver, which will give you a static domain
#1311 [14:52] <sugoi> kostiak: like i said, the non-static ips i have, haven't changed in over 6 months
#1312 [14:52] * |Kiikun|Janus| still thinks localhost is easier to type ::
#1312 [14:52] <|Kiikun|Janus|> :P
#1313 [14:52] <sugoi> kostiak: i consider that a 'sticky' ip :)
#1314 [14:52] <kostiak> vserver? you mean vps?
#1315 [14:52] <sugoi> kostiak: and it takes 2 minutes to log into my godaddy account and update the ips if+when they do change
#1316 [14:52] <|Kiikun|Janus|> sugoi: you never turn off your modem i take it?
#1317 [14:52] <kostiak> yeah, it's the cable componies' version of a dynamic ip
#1318 [14:52] <sugoi> |Kiikun|Janus|: haha, never turn off my server!
#1319 [14:53] <Boreeas> kostiak: Nope
#1320 [14:53] <sugoi> due to moving locations had to shut down once, but had 205 days at one point
#1321 [14:53] <sugoi> since then, i keep doing things like new ram, new drive, etc
#1322 [14:53] <Boreeas> kostiak: vserver = shared hosting, a virtual server instance running on a "real" server
#1323 [14:53] <kostiak> Boreeas: isn't that vps?
#1324 [14:54] <Boreeas> sugoi: Lucky you. My ISP resets my internet every night to force an IP-change
#1325 [14:54] <sugoi> Boreeas: that's a load of crap
#1326 [14:54] <Sakura_Solo> Okay, localhost set as the name, now what do I use for my connect address? I WAS using my IPv4 address successfully before things went sour.
#1327 [14:54] <Boreeas> kostiak: Oh, yeah, it is
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#1329 [14:54] <Boreeas> Iconfused that with VPN, sorry
#1330 [14:55] <JohnQ> Is there a command-line linux tool to edit player files?
#1331 [14:55] <kostiak> well yeah, vpses are hell expensive
#1332 [14:55] <kostiak> i perefer to keep using my old laptop as a server ;)
#1333 [14:55] <kostiak> it's a dev/testing server anyways
#1334 [14:55] <|Kiikun|> kostiak: us can use something like noip.com
#1335 [14:55] <kostiak> teaching myself server managment and linux
#1336 [14:56] <kostiak> |Kiikun|: thanks, i'll try that, looks promising
#1337 [14:56] <Boreeas> kostiak: I don't know where you read that, but mine is only 7€/month
#1338 [14:56] * |Kiikun| has a dyn account from way back thats still goof for the old free-hosts :P
#1338 [14:56] <Sakura_Solo> Okay, I'm in my own server now! n.n
#1339 [14:56] <kostiak> that's a lot of moneys for someone who doesn't have a steady income ;)
#1340 [14:57] <Boreeas> And that's with 512 soft limit RAM 1024 MB max, no upstream/dwonstream limit and idk how much HDD space
#1341 [14:58] <kostiak> well my linux box is 2gb and plenty of hdd
#1342 [14:58] <kostiak> no bandwidth limits at all
#1343 [14:58] <kostiak> and no extra charge over what i already pay for the home net access
#1344 [14:58] <Sakura_Solo> Okay, just to test and make SURE I have this right, someone hit 66.169.61.237:1234 again and see if it works. n.n
#1345 [14:59] <kostiak> ;check 66.169.61.237:1234
#1346 [14:59] <WugBot> 66.169.61.237:1234 seems to host a minecraft server: Skylight City (1/20)
#1347 [15:00] <Sakura_Solo> SWEET, thanks all for your help. Sorry I'm not too smart on port forwarding and all. Like I said, I'm a Cake Decorator, not a networking technician. n.n;
#1348 [15:00] <kostiak> hehe dont worry about it
#1349 [15:01] <Sakura_Solo> Thanks for your patience and help all, now my Boyfriend and I can work on Skylight City again! n.n! Bye, God Bless!
#1350 [15:02] <kostiak> have fun :)
#1351 [15:06] <sugoi> Boreeas: that's really dumb, i'd switch isp for that reason alone
#1352 [15:09] <Mingeraft> sugoi, do you like ketchup?
#1353 [15:09] <sugoi> um, a little
#1354 [15:10] <Mingeraft> sugoi, do you like tomatoes?
#1355 [15:11] <sugoi> i dont like where this is going
#1356 [15:11] <Mingeraft> Just answer me, fool!
#1357 [15:11] <sugoi> Mingeraft: you'll have to live with disappointment
#1358 [15:14] <Boreeas> sugoi: Most ISPs here do it like this, I think
#1359 [15:14] <Boreeas> After all, they can charge for the statics then
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#1363 [15:30] <Crud1122> Can anyone help me out with a payment question?
#1364 [15:31] <Crud1122> Is there anyone here at all?
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#1366 [15:36] <Boreeas> :|
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#1368 [15:36] <Boreeas> Can't be an important question if he could barely wait a minute
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#1378 [16:26] <Bjs300> Hello.
#1379 [16:27] <Morrolan> 'lo
#1380 [16:27] <Bjs300> I was wondering if you could help me get my mc back up?
#1381 [16:27] <Bjs300> I use browser btw
#1382 [16:28] <Bjs300> When my mc loads, it only loads the java, then goes blank.
#1383 [16:28] <Mingeraft> Have you tried to install any modification?
#1384 [16:29] <Bjs300> No.
#1385 [16:32] <Bjs300> Hello?
#1386 [16:37] <sugoi> Bjs300: it is probably failing to start java graphics
#1387 [16:37] <sugoi> Bjs300: so either make sure your graphics driver is latest and supports opengl
#1388 [16:37] <sugoi> Bjs300: and that you have java 6u31, and not 7
#1389 [16:39] <Bjs300> I have had this problem before. I had to delete some things in .minecraft, and also run something...
#1390 [16:39] <Bjs300> Anyways, how might I do this?
#1391 [16:40] <sugoi> Bjs300: sounds like you did reinstall of minecraft, it never hurts to try that, but it just doesn't sound like the right problem to me
#1392 [16:40] <sugoi> but it's easy to try, and has no penalty to do so
#1393 [16:41] <sugoi> Bjs300: press winodws+r, run `cmd`, then in the cmd window, run cd %appdata%
#1394 [16:41] <sugoi> then `cd .minecrat`; at this point you are where your minecraft install is
#1395 [16:41] <Bjs300> Ok.
#1396 [16:42] <sugoi> Bjs300: it could be easier in explorer
#1397 [16:42] <Bjs300> so just type cd %appdata%? No enter or anything?
#1398 [16:42] <sugoi> so, go ahead and close your cmd window
#1399 [16:42] <sugoi> Bjs300: well, we'll do it via explorer, but "run" emplies "type {0} and press enter"
#1400 [16:43] <sugoi> Bjs300: so in the address bar of your explorer window, go to %appdata%
#1401 [16:43] <sugoi> then find the .minecraft folder
#1402 [16:43] <Bjs300> I am lost....
#1403 [16:43] <sugoi> Bjs300: open an explorer window
#1404 [16:43] <Bjs300> Like start?
#1405 [16:43] <sugoi> file browser
#1406 [16:43] <Bjs300> Ok
#1407 [16:44] <sugoi> that's called 'explorer'
#1408 [16:44] <Bjs300> Ok, now what
#1409 [16:44] <sugoi> in the address bar, go to %appdata%
#1410 [16:44] <Bjs300> Im there
#1411 [16:44] <sugoi> open .minecraft
#1412 [16:44] <Bjs300> Opened
#1413 [16:44] <sugoi> remove everything except for saves
#1414 [16:45] <Bjs300> May I keep the servers?
#1415 [16:45] <sugoi> move them out of that folder for now
#1416 [16:46] <Bjs300> Ok.
#1417 [16:46] <sugoi> then start up minecraft
#1418 [16:46] <Bjs300> Ok.
#1419 [16:47] <Bjs300> I cannot close bin...
#1420 [16:47] <Bjs300> Delete*
#1421 [16:47] <sugoi> that means minecraft was running
#1422 [16:48] <Bjs300> But it is not.
#1423 [16:48] <sugoi> well java is still using those files
#1424 [16:48] <Bjs300> So delete the java files in task manager?
#1425 [16:48] <sugoi> at any rate - i dont think this will fix your problem
#1426 [16:48] <sugoi> yes, 'stop/kill', not really 'delete'
#1427 [16:48] <Bjs300> Thanks for the correction.
#1428 [16:49] <sugoi> i still think the issue is gpu driver w/ opengl support and java 6u31
#1429 [16:49] <sugoi> i don't have much time btw
#1430 [16:49] <Bjs300> I will brb. And ok...
#1431 [16:49] <Bjs300> I will hurry
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#1433 [16:51] <Bjs300> Back
#1434 [16:51] <Bjs300> Run mc?
#1435 [16:51] <sugoi> Bjs300: sorry, i didn't mean to say, 'hurry', i meant, i'm going afk
#1436 [16:51] <Bjs300> Ohhh lol
#1437 [16:51] <sugoi> Bjs300: yeah, but then if it doesn't work, look into getting the right gpu driver (graphics) and java 6u31
#1438 [16:51] <Bjs300> OK.
#1439 [16:52] <Bjs300> What about my server file?
#1440 [16:52] <sugoi> test with and without, up to you
#1441 [16:52] <Bjs300> And mc now works.
#1442 [16:53] <sugoi> goofy
#1443 [16:56] <Bjs300> Thank you. I have had this problem before btw. I hope you have a good afternoon/night!
#1444 [16:56] <Bjs300> Bye!
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#1447 [17:03] <sabesto> can other players see messages from the server, like can a normal user see the admin setting another player to creative mode?
#1448 [17:03] <|Kiikun|> no
#1449 [17:04] <sugoi> sabesto: to your first part. yes. with your clarification, no
#1450 [17:04] <|Kiikun|> only 'server message' players see are ones related to them and when the server 'speaks'
#1451 [17:04] <sugoi> sabesto: for example, from the server console you can enter: `say hello world`, and all players will see "[Server] hello world"
#1452 [17:05] <sabesto> yes, i have tried that
#1453 [17:05] <sugoi> sabesto: but, when an op (or from server console) runs other commands, it is not broadcasted
#1454 [17:05] * |Kiikun| has been bitten by Steam.
#1454 [17:06] <sugoi> heh, ?
#1455 [17:06] <sabesto> ok, thanks
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#1458 [17:08] <sabesto> man, mobs knocking on doors is frikking scary
#1459 [17:09] <ShadowBlaze18> I need someone to walk me through updating bukkit files to 1.2 seems like everyone is idle in #bukkithelp
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#1462 [17:20] <ShadowBlaze18> hello?
#1463 [17:20] <Roetkoe> I have really big slowdown when logged in minecraft client and almost 100% processor usage from javaw.exe. I can't even go past the menu because it slows down so much and I have to shut the minecraft window from task manager. This started after 1.2.3 release.
#1464 [17:20] <Roetkoe> Does anyone else has this same problem?
#1465 [17:21] <ShadowBlaze18> everyone is gone...
#1466 [17:21] <Roetkoe> So it seems
#1467 [17:21] <ShadowBlaze18> Roetkoe try restarting your minecraft.exe
#1468 [17:22] <ShadowBlaze18> exit out and go back in see if that fixes it I am not very good tech guy in minecraft issues although
#1469 [17:22] <Roetkoe> I have tried many times restarting and downloading it again.
#1470 [17:22] <ShadowBlaze18> hmmmm...
#1471 [17:23] <ShadowBlaze18> Roetkoe what do you have windows 7?
#1472 [17:23] <Roetkoe> 64-bit Windows 7
#1473 [17:23] <ShadowBlaze18> ok
#1474 [17:23] <ShadowBlaze18> follow my steps please:
#1475 [17:24] <ShadowBlaze18> go to start menu>Computer>System Properties and tell me your system specs
#1476 [17:25] <ShadowBlaze18> How much RAM do you have?
#1477 [17:25] <Roetkoe> 4GB
#1478 [17:26] <ShadowBlaze18> oh
#1479 [17:26] <ShadowBlaze18> that should be close enough...
#1480 [17:26] <Roetkoe> Processor is Intel C2D E6750, 2.66GHz
#1481 [17:26] <ShadowBlaze18> I don't understand why that would be happening maybe it has to do with your Windows updates or defragging or disk cleanup
#1482 [17:27] <ShadowBlaze18> want to try disk clean up?
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#1484 [17:28] <Roetkoe> Yeah, I am just running it
#1485 [17:28] <ShadowBlaze18> ok
#1486 [17:28] <ShadowBlaze18> make sure you have everything you can get rid of checked
#1487 [17:28] <ShadowBlaze18> but if you have some important stuff like offline webpages don't check that
#1488 [17:30] <Roetkoe> Problem still exists
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#1492 [17:31] <Mingeraft> How do I de-activate the monster spawners?
#1493 [17:32] <ShadowBlaze18> Roetkoe im sorry I don't know what to do
#1494 [17:33] <Roetkoe> No problem, I will eventually figure it out
#1495 [17:33] <Roetkoe> Thank you for your help
#1496 [17:33] <ShadowBlaze18> np
#1497 [17:33] <ShadowBlaze18> *no problem
#1498 [17:34] <Roetkoe> Yeah I got it :)
#1499 [17:34] <ShadowBlaze18> all right cool
#1500 [17:34] <Roetkoe> I got it working now!
#1501 [17:34] <ShadowBlaze18> cool!
#1502 [17:35] <Roetkoe> I just updated java manually to latest version
#1503 [17:35] <ShadowBlaze18> anyone want to help me test my server?
#1504 [17:35] <ShadowBlaze18> Ahhh there you go Roetkoe
#1505 [17:35] <|Kiikun|> !check 99.141.178.152
#1506 [17:35] * |Kiikun| thumbs up
#1506 [17:35] <Roetkoe> It seems that the java auto updater wasn't doing very good job.
#1507 [17:35] <ShadowBlaze18> lol
#1508 [17:36] <|Kiikun|> the java autoupdate only checks one in a blue moon
#1509 [17:36] <|Kiikun|> and the last blue moon was 3 days before the u31
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#1511 [17:39] <Finamenon> anyone know what would cause deserts from not generating properly? they are all dry grass in my world
#1512 [17:39] <Finamenon> anyone know what would cause deserts from not generating properly? they are all dry grass in my world
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#1514 [17:40] <Ketsueki> Finamenon: those biomes occurr too. Have you added ANY mods or are you using ANY non-vanilla components?
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#1516 [17:42] <Finamenon> no mods, just plugins
#1517 [17:42] <Finamenon> but this is a bug, in a single player world same seed they are deserts
#1518 [17:43] <Finamenon> rei's minimap also shows them as desert
#1519 [17:43] <Finamenon> as well as amidst
#1520 [17:43] <Finamenon> as well as amidst
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#1530 [18:14] <mib_3dpaos> Hi. :) /nick username
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#1533 [18:21] <ShadowBlaze18> Hi I need help
#1534 [18:22] <ShadowBlaze18> I can't get more RAM located to minecraft_server.exe
#1535 [18:22] <ShadowBlaze18> I tried renaming it doesn't help
#1536 [18:22] <ShadowBlaze18> any ideas?
#1537 [18:23] <GreyVulpine> Run minecraft_server.jar with -Xms/-Xmx arguments
#1538 [18:24] <ShadowBlaze18> Im sorry I don't know what that is
#1539 [18:24] <ShadowBlaze18> I run.exe
#1540 [18:24] <ShadowBlaze18> I run Minecraft_Server.exe
#1541 [18:24] <GreyVulpine> The .exe will run minecraft_server with 1 gigabyte of RAM. If you want to change that, you'll need to download and run the .jar
#1542 [18:24] <ShadowBlaze18> ohhh...
#1543 [18:25] <ShadowBlaze18> can I keep the world files?
#1544 [18:25] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#1545 [18:25] <ShadowBlaze18> oh ok
#1546 [18:25] <GreyVulpine> Know how to make a batch file?
#1547 [18:26] <ShadowBlaze18> not for this
#1548 [18:26] <ShadowBlaze18> I know how to make a .bat
#1549 [18:26] <ShadowBlaze18> though
#1550 [18:26] <ShadowBlaze18> same thing I guess
#1551 [18:26] <GreyVulpine> Alright. Download the minecraft.jar in the same place where you have the .exe
#1552 [18:26] <ShadowBlaze18> did that
#1553 [18:27] <GreyVulpine> Then create a .bat file, in there, you'll want to put in: java -Xms2048M -Xmx2048M -jar minecraft_server.jar
#1554 [18:27] <GreyVulpine> -Xms will start allocation at 2 gigabytes, and -Xmx is the max
#1555 [18:27] <GreyVulpine> Change to suit your tastes.
#1556 [18:28] <ShadowBlaze18> 1GB is fine
#1557 [18:28] <ShadowBlaze18> I had 100mb before
#1558 [18:28] <GreyVulpine> The minecraft_server.exe already does 1GB
#1559 [18:28] <ShadowBlaze18> oh
#1560 [18:28] <ShadowBlaze18> can I make it like this? java -Xms512M -Xmx2G -jar minecraft_server.jar
#1561 [18:28] <GreyVulpine> I suppose you could.
#1562 [18:28] <Ketsueki> My minecraft server uses greater than 1GB of VM space, but less than 512 real memory...
#1563 [18:29] <Ketsueki> I have a lot of agresive garbage collection flags
#1564 [18:29] <Ketsueki> I only really understand about half of them at a time though; I should really document them better so I know more precicely what I'm asking of it.
#1565 [18:29] <ShadowBlaze18> Im going to click the .bat file
#1566 [18:29] <Ketsueki> (It's more fair to say there are so many flags I can only easily remember what half of them are /doing/ at any given time)
#1567 [18:29] <ShadowBlaze18> it has command prompt
#1568 [18:29] <ShadowBlaze18> all working
#1569 [18:30] <ShadowBlaze18> now it says 24% free O_e
#1570 [18:30] <ShadowBlaze18> its lower...
#1571 [18:30] <GreyVulpine> It will allocate up to 2G as needed
#1572 [18:30] <ShadowBlaze18> ok
#1573 [18:31] <ShadowBlaze18> I will start it
#1574 [18:31] <ShadowBlaze18> ok thank you so much
#1575 [18:31] <ShadowBlaze18> bye
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#1577 [18:39] <ShadowBlaze18> Vulcan
#1578 [18:39] <ShadowBlaze18> It lagged and had chunk errors
#1579 [18:39] <ShadowBlaze18> what was your other method?
#1580 [18:40] <ShadowBlaze18> I mean GreyVulpine
#1581 [18:40] <ShadowBlaze18> sorry
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#1583 [18:42] <ShadowBlaze18> anyone know how I allocate more memory?
#1584 [18:43] <ShadowBlaze18> join #minecraftforums
#1585 [18:43] <ShadowBlaze18> sorry
#1586 [18:43] <ShadowBlaze18> forgot the "/"
#1587 [18:45] <ShadowBlaze18> is anyone here?
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#1591 [18:52] <Doc> Does anyone know how to revert minecraft to version 1.1 on a mac?
#1592 [18:52] <ShadowBlaze18> I think theyre gone
#1593 [18:53] <Doc> Who is?
#1594 [18:53] <ShadowBlaze18> the volunteers
#1595 [18:53] <Doc> damn.
#1596 [18:53] <Doc> damn.
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#1598 [18:56] <ShadowBlaze18> bye
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#1601 [19:03] <deadlywhentaken> my minecraft has been crashing since the adventure update, i gave up but i want to play so bad :(
#1602 [19:07] <deadlywhentaken> i can get into my world and play for a short amount of time, it varies, but it java always crashes. i have tried uninstalling java and reinstalling it, i could really use help
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#1604 [19:08] <mib_d93ny0> <trollface>
#1605 [19:08] <oldtopman> deadlywhentaken: Uninstall java and install 64 bit java instead.
#1606 [19:08] <deadlywhentaken> ok i will try that
#1607 [19:09] <mib_wugwug> hmm, someone who is not me has been trying to be me
#1608 [19:10] <mib_wugwug> though it looks to have been just a fluke
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#1611 [19:18] <ShadowBlaze18> Hi
#1612 [19:18] <ShadowBlaze18> GreyVulpine are you there?
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#1615 [19:22] <CXgamer> Hi, I'm new to playing Survival. I was wondering if since 1.2 there is an abnormally high chance of zombie spawners in dungeons. Of the 7 dungeons I've found, all 7 are zombie spawners. Is there something up with them? Thank you.
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#1617 [19:23] <MCMAUser_067> hey
#1618 [19:23] <MCMAUser_067> could someone help me please
#1619 [19:24] <MCMAUser_067> since i updated my server with plugin updates people who leave have to wait 5 minutes to login again
#1620 [19:24] <MCMAUser_067> anyone know how to change this
#1621 [19:24] <CXgamer> Ask the Bukkit guys :p
#1622 [19:25] <MCMAUser_067> ah someone here must have an idea :)
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#1624 [19:29] <Hewlitt> Hey
#1625 [19:29] <Hewlitt> Anyone here able to help me with plugins?
#1626 [19:29] <mib_wugwug> Hewlitt: you might try #bukkit
#1627 [19:30] <Hewlitt> Ok :)
#1628 [19:30] <mib_wugwug> MCMAUser_067: you should also ask in #bukkit
#1629 [19:30] <mib_wugwug> MCMAUser_067: you should also ask in #bukkit
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#1632 [19:32] <CXgamer> Update: Make that 8 out of 8 >.>
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#1636 [19:59] <Toagac|gtfoACTA> I haz good news.
#1637 [20:00] <Toagac|gtfoACTA> The bad news is this is the wrong channel :(
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#1641 [20:29] <Leitmotiv> I've got an issue with Minecraft timing out all the time
#1642 [20:29] <Leitmotiv> It seems that the game becomes more and more unplayable with each update
#1643 [20:29] * GreyVulpine hasn't had that experience.
#1643 [20:30] <GreyVulpine> Does this happen on one server? On all servers?
#1644 [20:31] <Leitmotiv> servers? I get the updates and play offline
#1645 [20:33] <GreyVulpine> Play.. offline?
#1646 [20:33] <GreyVulpine> Did you pay for a minecraft account?
#1647 [20:34] <Leitmotiv> yup. My household has three paid accounts. One for my brother, myself, and my son
#1648 [20:35] <GreyVulpine> Alright. Then describe what a "timeout" is. What exactly happens when you try to play minecraft?
#1649 [20:41] <Leitmotiv> the error says that it's run out of memory. It first start happening around updates 1.7 , 1.8 in beta, and then only about 15 or a half hour into the game. Now I am at lastest update and I play for less than 5 minutes and it stalls out or locks up with the error message:
#1650 [20:43] <GreyVulpine> Alright. First question. What operating system are you using? Second, how much RAM is installed?
#1651 [20:45] <Leitmotiv> 32 bit Windows 7
#1652 [20:46] <Leitmotiv> I believe that everyone in my household runs Windows 7. My pc is the middle of the pack as far as performance and hardward
#1653 [20:46] <Leitmotiv> for instance my son has windows 7 but not nearly as much ram
#1654 [20:47] <GreyVulpine> Alright. Well, this is a common problem for 32 bit OSs. The fix is to limit how much RAM minecraft takes up. To do this, first ensure that all unnecessary programs on your computer are closed. Second, go into your video options in minecraft and turn down some of the detail options. Turn render distance from far to normal or below
#1655 [20:48] <Leitmotiv> yeah I've turned down the distance rendering before with little or no success
#1656 [20:50] <GreyVulpine> What kind of video card are you running?
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#1658 [20:52] <Leitmotiv> nvidia geforce 9500
#1659 [20:52] <GreyVulpine> Alright. And RAM?
#1660 [20:54] <Leitmotiv> double checking, having trouble locating it. Says I have Windows 7 64 bit.....
#1661 [20:54] <GreyVulpine> Well, that makes a difference, We can solve your problem easily if that's the case
#1662 [20:54] <Leitmotiv> 4 gb
#1663 [20:55] <GreyVulpine> Solution to this is, to install java 6, 64 bit. I'd wipe all java from your system, start fresh. Install java 6, 32 bit, then 64 bit on top of it
#1664 [20:55] <Leitmotiv> does this chat use Java?
#1665 [20:56] <GreyVulpine> All depends on what client you use
#1666 [20:56] <Leitmotiv> client?
#1667 [20:57] <GreyVulpine> This is IRC. There's multiple programs out there that allow communication over IRC. I do not know what IRC client you use to connect here.'
#1668 [20:57] <Leitmotiv> oh... I clicked on the Minecraft.net link and it's open in my Opera browser
#1669 [20:58] <GreyVulpine> Ah, you're using the opera built in IRC client. No, you would not be connecting using java then
#1670 [20:58] <Leitmotiv> all right, so I have to wope Java, install Java 6 32 bit, and then install 64 bit over it.
#1671 [20:58] <GreyVulpine> You can try installing 64 bit right now, but it's usually a good idea to wipe and install, to ensure a clean slate
#1672 [20:59] <GreyVulpine> You can get the latest version of java 6 from:
#1673 [20:59] <GreyVulpine> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre-6u31-download-1501637.html
#1674 [20:59] <Leitmotiv> yeah I like clean slates
#1675 [20:59] <GreyVulpine> Grab the Windows x86 (online or offline, doesn't matter), and the Windows x64
#1676 [21:00] <GreyVulpine> Once you get minecraft on Java 64 bit, your problem should go away.
#1677 [21:02] <Leitmotiv> all right, well I'll try the easy way first... installing x86 online version now
#1678 [21:03] <Leitmotiv> onto x64
#1679 [21:06] <Leitmotiv> done. so should I go for a test run?
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#1681 [21:07] <GreyVulpine> Sure.
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#1685 [21:15] <Leitmotiv> well so far so good... but sometimes it take a little bit to kick in. I noticed that my processes shows Java still using the same amount of memory in task manager.
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#1687 [21:17] <GreyVulpine> That's alright. The deal is that minecraft by nature, takes up quite a lot of RAM. 32 bit java, on windows, has a maximum addressable range of about 1.5 gigs.
#1688 [21:18] <GreyVulpine> 64 bit java, doesn't have that limitation.
#1689 [21:21] <Leitmotiv> All right, well thank you for your help GreyVulpine. I appreciate. Hopefully the problem will stay away!
#1690 [21:21] * GreyVulpine tips hat.
#1690 [21:22] <GreyVulpine> Glad to help, come back if the problem crops up again
#1691 [21:23] <Leitmotiv> okay thanks
#1692 [21:23] <Leitmotiv> okay thanks
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#1695 [21:32] <CrusaderDeleters> Hey grey.
#1696 [21:32] <CrusaderDeleters> I have a problem :L
#1697 [21:32] <CrusaderDeleters> Well, my newer computer cannot run any program at all.
#1698 [21:32] <CrusaderDeleters> And I really really want it to work.
#1699 [21:32] <GreyVulpine> Could you elaborate?
#1700 [21:32] <CrusaderDeleters> Can you look for some cheap computer parts for me? D:
#1701 [21:32] <CrusaderDeleters> :D*
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#1703 [21:33] <GreyVulpine> What do you need? What's your budget? Where are you located in the world?
#1704 [21:33] <CrusaderDeleters> Eastern America, and anything below 100 for each part.
#1705 [21:33] <CrusaderDeleters> haha. :P
#1706 [21:34] <GreyVulpine> each part? What exactly are you looking to do?
#1707 [21:34] <CrusaderDeleters> make a crappy computer to improve over time :P
#1708 [21:35] <GreyVulpine> Oh boy.
#1709 [21:36] <CrusaderDeleters> well that sucks.
#1710 [21:36] <CrusaderDeleters> The Haf922 that I wanted is no longer 15$ off.
#1711 [21:37] <GreyVulpine> See, if this was even 15 years ago, I'd say that's a viable option. But with how fast computer components evolve right now...
#1712 [21:37] <CrusaderDeleters> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119197 Sexy or no? Also has great reviews. Seems like a must have for it's price.
#1713 [21:37] <CrusaderDeleters> lol.
#1714 [21:37] <GreyVulpine> Nice case, but 99 bucks for a case without a power supply, and plastic at that?
#1715 [21:37] <GreyVulpine> No thanks.
#1716 [21:38] <CrusaderDeleters> It was 85 bucks.
#1717 [21:38] <CrusaderDeleters> and only the face is plastic. like most cases.
#1718 [21:39] <CrusaderDeleters> but I mean it seems too ideal for me, Looks sexy, great room for wiring, hate where the power supply goes (no legs god damn it!), and it's viable for where the computer case will be located (on the floor)
#1719 [21:40] <GreyVulpine> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129021
#1720 [21:40] <GreyVulpine> Better ^
#1721 [21:41] <GreyVulpine> Same concept, better airflow, more space for fans, has USB 3.0 ports
#1722 [21:42] <GreyVulpine> of course you wait for it to go on sale, but yeah
#1723 [21:43] <GreyVulpine> Built a computer for a guy I knew, case is pretty nice to work in. rolled edges, no plastic front bezel to break. It's a sturdy case.
#1724 [21:44] <GreyVulpine> I also trust Antec's case, have used them for years.
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#1732 [22:38] <Sqozza> So, basically.
#1733 [22:38] <Sqozza> I have an x1550 in a PC, sitting around.
#1734 [22:38] <Sqozza> It can't load anything with an openGL renderer, including minecraft
#1735 [22:38] <Sqozza> already done driver updates and all that suck
#1736 [22:38] <Sqozza> such*
#1737 [22:38] <GreyVulpine> Let it taste buckshot. End its misery?
#1738 [22:38] <Sqozza> It's the only PC I have access to atm :(
#1739 [22:39] <Sqozza> and hey, I can play CS:GO on it
#1740 [22:39] <Sqozza> but it nopes to anything openGL, so I'm lost.
#1741 [22:39] <GreyVulpine> Other than that, you can try enabling software rendering on it, but unless you have a beastly computer, it will give even worse performance
#1742 [22:39] <Sqozza> I crash on login, but I'll drop into catalyst and give it a shot
#1743 [22:40] <GreyVulpine> If you know how to do command lines, just add:
#1744 [22:40] <Sqozza> Yes, I can into command lines. It's a win7 ult 64bit box if that helps any.
#1745 [22:40] <GreyVulpine> -Dorg.lwjgl.opengl.Display.allowSoftwareOpenGL=true -Dsun.java2d.noddraw=false -Dsun.java2d.d3d=true -Dsun.java2d.opengl=false
#1746 [22:41] <Sqozza> I'll get you to paste that to me once I get out of class, thanks.
#1747 [22:41] * GreyVulpine nods
#1747 [22:41] <Sqozza> I don't mind shoddy FPS, the x1550 is /fairly/ capable with D3D and whatnot, so.. dunno why it can't load anything OpenGL at all
#1748 [22:41] <Sqozza> (This includes glorious Quake 3 :( )
#1749 [22:41] <GreyVulpine> Ouch
#1750 [22:42] <Sqozza> Well, anything using an openGL renderer, for more specific terminology.
#1751 [22:42] <GreyVulpine> Could just be a bad card.
#1752 [22:42] <Sqozza> if i swap a goldsrc game to OGL it mutters something about not being able to find a valid OGL renderer
#1753 [22:42] <Sqozza> But D3D/Software is fine for actually running it
#1754 [22:43] <Sqozza> I might grab the spare 7800GT I have sitting around, see if that works.
#1755 [22:44] <Sqozza> Would be a two birds with one stone methodology, I guess
#1756 [22:44] <GreyVulpine> Maybe
#1757 [22:44] <Sqozza> (Assuming it actually works, heh..)
#1758 [22:46] <Sqozza> On that note, I'm off!
#1759 [22:46] <Sqozza> On that note, I'm off!
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#1761 [22:48] <ertyuiop99> Damnit, he left
#1762 [22:49] <ertyuiop99> x1550 I'm assuming is an ATI graphics card. I have an ATI 9550, which couldn't run anything that depended on OpenGL rendering
#1763 [22:50] <ertyuiop99> No Idea why, so I switched to Linux and it ran smooth
#1764 [22:52] <GreyVulpine> I blame ATI's poor drivers
#1765 [22:52] <GreyVulpine> I also see many 9xxx series ATi cards that have problems with minecraft, especially the earlier/budget series, the 9000, 9200, 9250.
#1766 [22:54] <GreyVulpine> Plenty of people have come by here with 9xxx series, and we've thrown about everything at them. Updating manually through ATI's site, wiping drivers clean with safe mode/driver sweeper, trying 3rd party drivers... with no real success
#1767 [22:55] <GreyVulpine> Not a whole lot of 3rd party support for ATI's drivers either. The usual ones i used to see, are now gone.
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#1771 [23:09] <GreyVulpine> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20629262/MinecraftShots/2012-03-04_21.55.27.png
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#1775 [23:34] <Antilus> Hey everyone.
#1776 [23:35] <Antilus> I have a minecraft server and was trying to use a mapping tool to view whats in the world, the inital render worked correctly, but subsequent renders do not show any of the updates to teh map. Is anyone familiar with this kind of issue?
#1777 [23:35] <GreyVulpine> Depends on the mapping tool.
#1778 [23:35] <Antilus> I have used both pigmap and c10t
#1779 [23:35] <GreyVulpine> Have both been updated for the new map format of 1.2.x?
#1780 [23:36] <GreyVulpine> Doesn't look like pigmap's been updated for a while now
#1781 [23:36] <Antilus> not sure, I was unaware there was a new map format in this past update. Do you have any mapping tools that you would recommend?
#1782 [23:36] <GreyVulpine> I do not, everybody's scrambling to update their mods since 1.2 was released a few days ago
#1783 [23:37] <Antilus> kk, thanks for the info GreyVulpine
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#1786 [23:56] <sugoi> GreyVulpine: what's the significance of your screenshot?
#1787 [23:56] <GreyVulpine> Risugami was doing a biome mod/proof of concept.
#1788 [23:57] <sugoi> ah