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#5 [01:29] <SinZ> Anyone here that can solve my access violation conundrum
#6 [01:36] <Magiobiwan> Shoot.
#7 [01:38] <sugoi> SinZ: can you pastebin the error?
#8 [01:39] <SinZ> sugoi: k
#9 [01:40] <SinZ> its for server fyi
#10 [01:40] <SinZ> http://pastebin.com/dUqBMCkf
#11 [01:40] <SinZ> my client gets it too though
#12 [01:43] <GreyVulpine> That's definitely a corrupt java install
#13 [01:43] <sugoi> it still amazes me java gets corrupt like this
#14 [01:44] <sugoi> this has never happened to me with clr
#15 [01:44] <GreyVulpine> java.lang.Class.getConstructor0([Ljava/lang/Class;I)Ljava/lang/reflect/Constructor;
#16 [01:44] <GreyVulpine> Java's choking on its own constructor, in the java.lang.class, class
#17 [01:45] * sugoi clarifies that the clr is .net's virtual machine (jvm for java)
#17 [01:45] <SinZ> GreyVulpine: pissed off with java corrupting alot
#18 [01:45] <GreyVulpine> Tell me about it..
#19 [01:45] <SinZ> Im too scared to run server and client on same comp
#20 [01:45] <sugoi> why?
#21 [01:46] <Wug> SinZ: you need a more stable OS
#22 [01:46] <SinZ> Wug: I know that
#23 [01:46] <SinZ> I might have faulty ram
#24 [01:46] <SinZ> haven't got around to putting memtest on a cd
#25 [01:46] <Wug> memtest
#26 [01:46] <Wug> http://www.memtest.org/
#27 [01:59] <SinZ> Wug: im getting so much errors its not funny
#28 [01:59] <SinZ> on the last bit
#29 [02:01] <Wug> lol
#30 [02:01] <Wug> reseat them
#31 [02:02] <SinZ> uhh how
#32 [02:02] <SinZ> oh, physicall
#33 [02:03] <SinZ> y
#34 [02:03] <Wug> I had issues with ram when I installed more
#35 [02:03] <Wug> all of the newly installed sticks were having errors
#36 [02:03] <Wug> turns out, it was just dust from the slots sitting empty for 2 years
#37 [02:04] <SinZ> I never installed this ram though
#38 [02:04] <Wug> its possible that its going bad
#39 [02:04] <SinZ> Was pre-installed by the IT professional that gave me the computer
#40 [02:04] <Wug> how long ago was thatr
#41 [02:05] <Wug> he probably knows what memtest is and does and if you were to show him the issues you're having with it he might fix it for free
#42 [02:05] <Wug> or maybe give you a recommendation
#43 [02:05] <Magiobiwan> Wug: Is 800 Megs of RAM good enough for MC?
#44 [02:05] <SinZ> Wug: got it this year
#45 [02:05] <Wug> Magiobiwan: client or server? client, probably, server, depends on how many players, but probably for less than 20
#46 [02:06] <Magiobiwan> I had to limit it to that with a batch file in order to make it work on my laptop of crap.
#47 [02:06] <Wug> maybe 15
#48 [02:06] <SinZ> end of january
#49 [02:06] <Magiobiwan> Client.
#50 [02:06] <Wug> yeah youll be ok
#51 [02:06] <Wug> SinZ: ask him about it then
#52 [02:06] <Magiobiwan> But, my intel 945 GM chipset doesn't like MC
#53 [02:06] <Wug> generally, if you can prove to them that youre not a moron, THEY'LL BE WILLING TO HELP YOU
#54 [02:06] <Wug> WHOOPS HOW DID CAPS LOCK GET ON
#55 [02:06] <Magiobiwan> I had to limit the RAM amount via command line
#56 [02:07] <Wug> Magiobiwan: ram and graphics dont usually cause problems together
#57 [02:07] <Magiobiwan> It's an integrated chipset.
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#59 [02:07] <Wug> if using 64 bit java is an option, you will benefit greatly from it
#60 [02:07] <Magiobiwan> Hogs system RAM when its puny 128 Megs isn't enough.
#61 [02:07] <Magiobiwan> Can't. Processor is too old.
#62 [02:08] <Magiobiwan> Centrino Duo. No 64-bit D:
#63 [02:08] <Wug> you might be stuck with what youve got then
#64 [02:08] <Magiobiwan> Yep.
#65 [02:08] <Wug> 800m should be ok though
#66 [02:08] <Magiobiwan> I'm gonna set up Optifine tomorrow.
#67 [02:08] <Magiobiwan> Hopefully should get my FPS up some.
#68 [02:10] <Magiobiwan> So, which version of Optifine should I get?
#69 [02:10] <Magiobiwan> 3GB DDR2, 32-bit XP Pro
#70 [02:11] <Magiobiwan> Centrino Duo @1.73 GHz
#71 [02:13] <SinZ> I thought the CPU I had was bad...
#72 [02:13] <SinZ> Intel Core 2 Quad
#73 [02:16] <Magiobiwan> Huh.
#74 [02:17] <Magiobiwan> Is there anyway to get the MC client to authenticate to Minecraft.net via the https address?
#75 [02:17] <Magiobiwan> For if you want to do multiplayer?
#76 [02:21] <Magiobiwan> Because the tech department at my high school has a Minecraft server.
#77 [02:21] <Magiobiwan> And we wish to play on it during our LAN party Friday.
#78 [02:21] <Magiobiwan> Problem is, the WESD has BLOCKED Minecraft.net
#79 [02:24] <Scott> WESD?
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#81 [02:25] <Scott> I believe the client already authenticates via HTTPS
#82 [02:25] <Magiobiwan> WESD is the education services district.
#83 [02:26] <Magiobiwan> Well, it gives a HTML failure message thing.
#84 [02:26] <Scott> You could setup a proxy
#85 [02:26] <Scott> Do you have access to the hosts file?
#86 [02:26] <Magiobiwan> The tech department head has unfiltered network access and has no trouble.
#87 [02:26] <Magiobiwan> Umm. I'm not at school ATM.
#88 [02:26] <Magiobiwan> I'm at home.
#89 [02:26] <Scott> Well either get them to remove the block or setup a proxy to get around it
#90 [02:27] <Magiobiwan> Proxy it is.
#91 [02:28] <|Kiichan|> why not just set up a secret passworded hamachi group? :P *trololol*
#92 [02:28] <Scott> I would probably just setup a proxy at home or on a server and override the A record via hosts file for minecraft.net
#93 [02:29] <Scott> wait you may not even have to
#94 [02:30] <Scott> You can actually define a proxy when launching Minecraft.
#95 [02:30] <Magiobiwan> |Kiichan|: Hamachi is fully blocked
#96 [02:30] <Scott> You just need a HTTP(S) or SOCKS proxy
#97 [02:30] <Magiobiwan> You can do that? How?
#98 [02:31] <Scott> Go to part E: http://www.blankmind.org/tech-guide-using-minecraft-behind-a-proxy/
#99 [02:33] <Magiobiwan> Hmm.
#100 [02:33] <Magiobiwan> All that requires is a proxy!
#101 [02:33] <Magiobiwan> Any way to get Minecraft to only authenticate over the proxy?
#102 [02:34] <Magiobiwan> And just send/recieve chunks via the normal network connection?
#103 [02:37] <Scott> my other way :P
#104 [02:38] <Scott> Just write something that emulates the authentication server but actually returns data from the real auth server
#105 [02:44] <Magiobiwan> How do that?
#106 [02:45] <Wug> Magiobiwan: get a session key with a browser through a proxy or something and then bypassthe launcher and pass it the key
#107 [02:46] <Magiobiwan> Aah. How do I do that?
#108 [02:46] <Wug> :login
#109 [02:46] <WugBot> login: login servers are currently UP
#110 [02:46] <Wug> ?? login
#111 [02:46] <VoxelHead> login: http://session.minecraft.net/game/joinserver.jsp?user=Meep&sessionId=test&serverId=test
#112 [02:46] <VoxelHead> login: https://login.minecraft.net/?user=Meep&password=notreal&version=13
#113 [02:47] <Wug> use the login.minecraft.net one there with your username and password
#114 [02:47] <Wug> beware that running it through a proxy isnt the best of ideas
#115 [02:47] <Wug> I dont remember how to bypass the launcher, sec
#116 [02:50] * |Kiichan| saw it recently.
#116 [02:50] <|Kiichan|> http://kealper.com/irclogs/index.a3w?date=2012-03-13
#117 [02:51] <|Kiichan|> Wug:
#118 [02:51] <Magiobiwan> Where in the log is it?
#119 [02:51] <Wug> I figured it out
#120 [02:52] <Wug> are you on windows?
#121 [02:52] <|Kiichan|> if you had to look more than 2 seconds then i would have said what line :P
#122 [02:52] <Wug> Magiobiwan: windows?
#123 [02:52] <Wug> macroshaft wangblows?
#124 [02:52] <Magiobiwan> Windows 7 at school.
#125 [02:52] <|Kiichan|> Wug: What operating system do you use? Windows (XP, Vista, 7), Mac OS X, Linux, OS/2 Warp, or FreeDOS?
#126 [02:52] <Wug> ok, can you get to a command prompt
#127 [02:52] <Magiobiwan> XP Pro at home.
#128 [02:53] <Magiobiwan> I can at school, yes.
#129 [02:53] <Wug> schools like to block it
#130 [02:53] <Magiobiwan> Tech department computers
#131 [02:53] <Wug> do you have the game files downloaded?
#132 [02:53] <Magiobiwan> We set them up custom. Yes.
#133 [02:53] <Wug> ok, get command prompt, then cd to the folder
#134 [02:53] <Wug> probably %appdata%\.minecraft
#135 [02:54] <Magiobiwan> You can tell me faster.
#136 [02:54] <Wug> then use java -Djava.library.path=./natives/ -cp jinput.jar:lwjgl.jar:lwjgl_util.jar:minecraft.jar net.minecraft.client.Minecraft <username> <sessionkey>
#137 [02:54] <Magiobiwan> I'm not doing it ATM. I'm not at school.
#138 [02:54] <Wug> test it anyway
#139 [02:54] <Magiobiwan> Can't. Laptop virus scanning.
#140 [02:54] <Magiobiwan> That and I use XP at home.
#141 [02:54] <Wug> should work on xp too
#142 [02:55] <Wug> (you have to cd to the bin folder, not the minecraft root directory. derp)
#143 [02:55] <Magiobiwan> One sec. Lemme remote in. Too lazy to go to the laptop.
#144 [02:57] <Magiobiwan> So, you need to use the login thing each time?
#145 [02:57] <Magiobiwan> For the session key?
#146 [02:57] <Wug> you could probably get away with doing it once and remembering the session key
#147 [02:57] <Wug> but if you login again from elsewhere youll need to renew it
#148 [02:57] <Wug> you can however reuse the same key
#149 [02:57] <Wug> pending another login
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#151 [02:58] <Magiobiwan> What on the page is the session key?
#152 [02:58] <Wug> https://login.minecraft.net/?user=you&password=yourpassword&version=13
#153 [02:58] <Wug> its the number
#154 [02:58] <Wug> everything after the last colon
#155 [02:58] <Magiobiwan> Okay.
#156 [02:58] <Magiobiwan> Hyphen included?
#157 [02:58] <Wug> yes
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#159 [03:03] <dual> Heyllo, I installed modloader and it's giving me a 'java.lang.NoSuchMethodError: ModLoader.SetInGameHook(LBaseMod;ZZ)V' error. Any ideas to fix this?
#160 [03:03] <GreyVulpine> Mod you're using probably isn't updated for the version of modloader you're using
#161 [03:03] <dual> Nope
#162 [03:03] <dual> It's only vanilla modloader minecraft with not extra mods
#163 [03:04] <Wug> version of modloader might be wrong?
#164 [03:04] <GreyVulpine> How are you sure it's only vanilla modloader minecraft?
#165 [03:05] <Magiobiwan> Wug: it worked.
#166 [03:05] <Magiobiwan> It might not have I suppose. I'm not filtered at home.
#167 [03:05] <Magiobiwan> But, I must sleep now.
#168 [03:05] <Magiobiwan> Thanks.
#169 [03:06] <dual> Well, I'm sure because I forced updated and installed modloader.
#170 [03:06] <dual> and it still giving me these errors.
#171 [03:06] <GreyVulpine> You most likely have old mods in the /.minecraft/mods/ folder.
#172 [03:07] <GreyVulpine> Force Update does not delete those. Please double check
#173 [03:07] <dual> kk
#174 [03:07] <dual> ill delete em
#175 [03:08] <dual> Thanks so much Grey!
#176 [03:08] * GreyVulpine nods
#176 [03:08] * GreyVulpine nods
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#177 [03:09] <Magiobiwan> Darn you filtered interwebz.
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#197 [05:37] <Kealper> so like
#198 [05:37] <Calinou> !isdown minecraft.net
#199 [05:37] <Kealper> aws seems to have taken a crap
#200 [05:38] <GreyBot> Calinou: It's not just you! http://minecraft.net looks down from here.
#201 [05:38] <Kealper> i was literally just about to say "so we'll probably see a lot of people complaining really damn fast"
#202 [05:38] <Calinou> yeah, great moment, I have deleted my minecraft.exe because it kept crashing.
#203 [05:38] <Kealper> sec... i can throw you mine if you wanted it lol
#204 [05:39] <Kealper> Calinou: i'll send the link as a query
#205 [05:39] <Calinou> no need
#206 [05:40] <Kealper> oh, ok then lol
#207 [05:40] <Calinou> minecraft launcher kept crashing :(
#208 [05:40] * Kealper burninates that from his webserver then
#208 [05:40] <Calinou> dunno why, restarted my computer/etc
#209 [05:40] <Kealper> could be the complete asplosion of aws atm
#210 [05:41] <Kealper> netflix doesn't work, reddit doesn't work, minecraft doesn't work, i'd assume anything else that touches aws doesn't work.. the whole thing is down D:
#211 [05:46] <Kealper> ok so it seems they've posted a notice, and i guess it's just one of their aws datacenters, in NJ, US.. so basically the entire east coast of the US >.>
#212 [05:47] <TheNoodlezzz> kickstarter uses aws for videos :(
#213 [05:48] <Kealper> also since i suck, i said NJ, it's in VA, derp
#214 [05:48] <Kealper> also, i think, i need more commas, because like, they're cool, and stuff
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#218 [06:09] <Kealper> should be back up now
#219 [06:09] <Kealper> !isup
#220 [06:09] <Kealper> !isdown
#221 [06:09] <GreyBot> Kealper: It's just you. http://www.minecraft.net is up.
#222 [06:09] <Kealper> one of those lol
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#227 [07:13] <Calinou> got minecraft working, redownloaded the .exe :)
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#231 [08:07] <Monkeys> Hey guiiiiiise.
#232 [08:07] <Monkeys> According to this chart; http://www.minecraftwiki.net/images/1/12/MinecraftPotionsClean.png - I understand how to make, for instance, a Potion of Fire Resistance. Now how do I make it Extended?
#233 [08:07] <Monkeys> I don't get it.
#234 [08:08] <Calinou> redstone dust :)
#235 [08:08] <Calinou> redstone dust extends _all_ potions except instant health/damage
#236 [08:08] <Calinou> glowstone dust increases potency of all potions except fire resistance, slowness, weakness
#237 [08:09] <Monkeys> Oh thanks.
#238 [08:10] <Monkeys> Going to the nether cancels out my fire resistance potion?!
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#245 [09:14] <truberton> kas keivo on sees
#246 [09:15] <Pepper> Right
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#254 [10:27] <statswithcats> hello - I'm looking to run a minecraft server, would like to know how many players it can support - is it limited by memory rather than cpu?
#255 [10:27] <statswithcats> Is there a guide to how much ram can support how many players?
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#257 [10:32] <GreyVulpine> It all depends on whether or not you'll be running a modded server, and with how many plugins.
#258 [10:32] <statswithcats> could you give me some broad guidelines?
#259 [10:33] <statswithcats> I'm also curious how large the largest public minecraft server is
#260 [10:33] <GreyVulpine> Vanilla-wise. you could see anywhere from 50-150K/sec per player.
#261 [10:33] <GreyVulpine> with about matching RAM usage as well
#262 [10:34] <GreyVulpine> 50-150 megs of RAM per player, depending on activity, and amount of plugins.
#263 [10:34] <statswithcats> as a rough calculation - 8gb = 4194304kb. 4194304 / 150 = 27 962 players
#264 [10:34] <statswithcats> does that sound about right?
#265 [10:35] <statswithcats> oh mb, not kb
#266 [10:35] <statswithcats> (1 024 * 8) / 150 = 54 players on 8gb of ram
#267 [10:36] <statswithcats> So… this server says it has 2000 slots - http://minecraft-server-list.com/server/16760/
#268 [10:36] <statswithcats> 2000 * 150 / 1024 = 292 gb of ram, plus it has plugins
#269 [10:37] <GreyVulpine> That's a very conservative estimate, not everybody will be using 150 megs. RAM usage will spike that high on events like exploration of new areas, initial loading, or a buttload of plugins and extra functionality
#270 [10:37] <statswithcats> does that sound realistic? or are slots different to players
#271 [10:37] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, I don't think I've seen a server that can handle 2000 concurrent players
#272 [10:38] <Grim_Reaper> ..
#273 [10:38] <Grim_Reaper> 2000 o.o
#274 [10:39] <GreyVulpine> I can run a server and set it to some insanely high slot limit. Doesn't mean my server's going to handle that much. I call BS on that ad.
#275 [10:39] <Grim_Reaper> ^
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#277 [10:56] <MK> statswithcats: for future reference, data transfer rates on the internet have always been done with SI units; 56k is 56000 kb/s, etc.
#278 [10:56] <MK> oh, you were talking ram, I misread
#279 [11:00] <MK> I asked a friend who runs a server, he says on average 64MB of ram per person
#280 [11:01] <MK> and that CPU spikes when new terrain is being generated, but otherwise CPU usage is quite low
#281 [11:02] <statswithcats> thanks MK
#282 [11:02] <statswithcats> thanks MK
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#285 [11:12] <MK> Can I go on a server that has a version older than mine?
#286 [11:12] <GreyVulpine> No
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#294 [11:50] <MK> if a server runs a mod, will I need all those mods installed? Or are some server-side?
#295 [11:50] <MK> aside from bukkit obviously
#296 [11:50] <xales> Some mods are server-side, some are not. It depends on what it does.
#297 [11:50] <MK> Alright
#298 [11:51] <xales> Mods that make significant changes, such as adding new items, need to be on both the server and the client.
#299 [11:51] <xales> Mods that only change the behavior of some things, such as preventing blocks from being destroyed or chests from being opened, only need to be on the server.
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#308 [12:26] <schnozzle> Could someone help me with something?
#309 [12:27] <schnozzle> !check 195.241.14.150
#310 [12:27] <clarjon1> we won't know if we can until you tell us what the issue is
#311 [12:27] <schnozzle> yes sorry
#312 [12:27] <schnozzle> ehm...
#313 [12:27] <schnozzle> my server says i have a internal server error
#314 [12:28] <schnozzle> and i cant log in to it
#315 [12:28] <clarjon1> hmmm
#316 [12:28] <schnozzle> When i do the /list command it even says i am online!
#317 [12:28] <clarjon1> very odd
#318 [12:28] <GreyVulpine> Could we get a copy of the server log posted to pastebin.com?
#319 [12:28] <clarjon1> ninja'd
#320 [12:28] <schnozzle> yes sure
#321 [12:29] <Boreeas> schnozzle: Can you give us a server öp?
#322 [12:29] <Boreeas> Phplhp
#323 [12:29] <Boreeas> Ninjas
#324 [12:29] <clarjon1> ...
#325 [12:29] <clarjon1> might wanna rephrase that, boreeas, makes it sound like you're asking to be opped :P
#326 [12:30] <schnozzle> haha
#327 [12:30] <schnozzle> it says too large
#328 [12:30] <GreyVulpine> Use www.pastebin.com instead of mibpaste
#329 [12:30] <schnozzle> ok
#330 [12:31] <clarjon1> actually
#331 [12:31] <clarjon1> i'd recommend stopping the server
#332 [12:31] <clarjon1> renaming the current log file
#333 [12:31] <clarjon1> Starting the server, and logging in again
#334 [12:31] <clarjon1> that way we have a relevant log file for this error.
#335 [12:31] <clarjon1> instead of a potentially long history of previous versions etc.
#336 [12:31] <GreyVulpine> That's a good idea. I knew we paid you for something.
#337 [12:32] <clarjon1> GreyVulpine: I hope that they'll introduce log rotation into a version one day.
#338 [12:32] <schnozzle> just give you a link?
#339 [12:32] <clarjon1> yup
#340 [12:32] <schnozzle> http://pastebin.com/weDnc60x
#341 [12:32] <Boreeas> clarjon1: Ah, hell, damn typos :|
#342 [12:32] <schnozzle> like this
#343 [12:32] <clarjon1> bukkit server
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#345 [12:33] <schnozzle> yes
#346 [12:33] <schnozzle> sorry
#347 [12:33] <GreyVulpine> Wow, that's not a happy server.
#348 [12:33] <clarjon1> not at all
#349 [12:33] <schnozzle> haha
#350 [12:33] <schnozzle> i think it is my worldguard
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#352 [12:33] <clarjon1> when you updated bukkit, did you remember to update all the plugins as well?
#353 [12:33] <schnozzle> how?
#354 [12:33] <clarjon1> ack, 1.2.3.-r0.1?
#355 [12:34] <clarjon1> i'm sure there's a r0.2 beta at least now.
#356 [12:34] <schnozzle> wow really
#357 [12:34] <schnozzle> i will download it
#358 [12:34] <clarjon1> you also have a lot of configuration issues
#359 [12:34] <clarjon1> In your PEX configs
#360 [12:34] <schnozzle> yes i just began with PEX
#361 [12:34] <schnozzle> got a lot to learn
#362 [12:35] <clarjon1> ok here we go
#363 [12:35] <clarjon1> permissionsex is messing with you being able to log in it looks like.
#364 [12:35] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, looks that way
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#366 [12:36] <clarjon1> yeah, it is.
#367 [12:37] <clarjon1> wow, so permissionsex actually hooks into the login management, eh?
#368 [12:38] <clarjon1> so, schnozzle:
#369 [12:38] <schnozzle> i think
#370 [12:38] <schnozzle> so
#371 [12:38] <clarjon1> 1) you need to fix your PEX configs, and 2) A better place to get help with this would be in the #bukkit channel :)
#372 [12:38] <schnozzle> banned there
#373 [12:38] <clarjon1> well, we specialize in MC vanilla here
#374 [12:40] <schnozzle> i will try there
#375 [12:40] <schnozzle> i will try there
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#382 [12:50] <bellows> Hello guys
#383 [12:50] <bellows> does someone know anything where i can get good help for bukkit except #bukkit and #bukkidev ?
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#385 [12:50] <Rashmyr> Hello...
#386 [12:51] <bellows> hi
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#388 [12:51] <Rashmyr> i searh a Supporter, my premium account is blocked o.o
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#390 [12:51] <bellows> wow
#391 [12:51] <bellows> thats bad
#392 [12:53] <GreyVulpine> Rashmyr - Blocked?
#393 [12:53] <Rashmyr> I think there is an error in running
#394 [12:54] <GreyVulpine> Could you elaborate?
#395 [12:54] <Rashmyr> I wanted to sign me today and I saw that no premium was ..
#396 [12:55] <Ketsueki> Rashmyr: IIRC it's ?paid username
#397 [12:55] <GreyVulpine> Did you purchase minecraft from minecraft.net?
#398 [12:55] <Rashmyr> Yes..
#399 [12:56] <GreyVulpine> What is your minecraft username?
#400 [12:56] <Rashmyr> My Username is Rashmyr
#401 [12:56] <GreyVulpine> !paid Rashmyr
#402 [12:57] <Rashmyr> That is now?
#403 [12:57] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, doesn't look like the account is premium anymore.
#404 [12:57] <GreyVulpine> You'll want to get in contact with Mojang at: http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/329541-i-was-premium-now-i-m-not-
#405 [12:57] <Rashmyr> I bought this, enter the serial number and it was also premium thereafter
#406 [12:58] <GreyVulpine> Where did you purchase the serial number from?
#407 [12:59] <Rashmyr> Ich kaufte mir es bei Online-Gold.de
#408 [12:59] <Rashmyr> I bought it online and Gold.de
#409 [13:00] <Rashmyr> www.online-gold.de
#410 [13:01] <GreyVulpine> "If you have purchased a Minecraft gift code from a non-Mojang website, and it did not work, the code may be a fake. If you receive an error stating that the code was previously redeemed, the seller may have sold you a used code. If you had premium status, but lost it, this is usually the result of a stolen credit card being used to buy gift codes"
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#412 [13:03] <Rashmyr> I have the bill here and what should I do now?
#413 [13:03] <bellows> LOL
#414 [13:04] <nimrod> oh god
#415 [13:04] <GreyVulpine> Unfortunately, if you did not purchase minecraft from minecraft.net, Mojang can not provide any support for you. You'll wnat to contact the seller directly.
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#417 [13:04] <Rashmyr> Definitely it was not a gift code or anything else, I have to pay the money!
#418 [13:05] <Rashmyr> Everything that I thank them :) I still wish you a pleasant evening
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#420 [13:05] <mucus> hi
#421 [13:05] <bellows> hi
#422 [13:05] <mucus> anyone have minecraft pocket edition?
#423 [13:05] <bellows> yh
#424 [13:06] <mucus> any tried to change their own skin? is there anything particular i should be aware of?
#425 [13:06] <mucus> cuz it looks like i could just swap it and resign the app
#426 [13:06] <bellows> wow
#427 [13:06] <bellows> really?
#428 [13:06] <clarjon1> Rashmyr: you have to buy it from minecraft.net only
#429 [13:06] <clarjon1> Rashmyr: other resellers tend to be people selling stolen accounts.
#430 [13:07] <mucus> yeah bellow wanna see something cool?
#431 [13:07] <clarjon1> or will reverse transactions to invalidate, etc etc
#432 [13:07] <clarjon1> Rashmyr: how much did you pay for this account?
#433 [13:07] <clarjon1> oooo, you entered a serial? heh.
#434 [13:07] <clarjon1> the 'serial' was a 'gift code'
#435 [13:07] <mucus> wait
#436 [13:07] <mucus> am i ignoring someone?
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#440 [13:08] <mucus> bellows yeah, it´s all saved in png format, just swap stuff around and you´re done
#441 [13:08] <bellows> i did not tried that yet
#442 [13:08] <Rashmyr> I paid 17 euros for
#443 [13:08] <mucus> yep i am now piccolo
#444 [13:09] <bellows> lol
#445 [13:09] <mucus> but some of this is eww
#446 [13:09] <mucus> so i gotta clean it up
#447 [13:12] <mucus> :3 neat
#448 [13:12] <mucus> i have a mix of two texture packs, 7item mod, and a new skin
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#463 [15:03] <sugoi> hello
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#475 [15:37] <bbbb> im using bukkit craftbukkit-1.1-R6-20120301.142116-2.jar, just download and run in shell script on linux, but when i try to connect form minecraft clients it never connects. i can see port is open and i see a disconnect msg when i cancel the connection from minecraft client. does anyone have any pointers please?
#476 [15:40] <Morrolan> Are you using a 1.2 client?
#477 [15:40] <bbbb> yeah sorry, just found somethign on google
#478 [15:40] <bbbb> suspect im using mismatched client
#479 [15:40] <bbbb> http://forums.bukkit.org/threads/craftbukkit-1-2-3-r0-2-is-now-available.64659/
#480 [15:40] <Morrolan> There's your issue then, craftbukkit-1.1-R6 is still Minecraft1.1
#481 [15:40] <bbbb> pulling that now
#482 [15:40] <Morrolan> Yep
#483 [15:40] <bbbb> thanks though
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#485 [15:40] <Morrolan> Sure thing.
#486 [15:41] <bbbb> do you run bukkit?
#487 [15:41] <GreyVulpine> There's no recommended build out for 1.2. You can get a beta build from: http://dl.bukkit.org/downloads/craftbukkit/
#488 [15:41] <Morrolan> I am running Craftbukkit, yes.
#489 [15:41] <bbbb> im a newb, just setting this up for my son
#490 [15:41] <bbbb> he's just getting in to it
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#492 [15:41] <bbbb> so he wants this to run custom commands n stuff
#493 [15:42] <bbbb> can you recommend anything that will give him/me a quick flavour of that
#494 [15:42] <bbbb> without too much setting up
#495 [15:42] <Morrolan> Eh, a plugin like Commandbook offers some basic, useful functionality which might prove useful.
#496 [15:42] <bbbb> thanks i'll look that up
#497 [15:43] <bbbb> you guys really are helpful!
#498 [15:43] <Calinou> Commandbook yeah
#499 [15:43] <Morrolan> Another very popular plugin is WorldEdit, an ingame world editor, though you can do much harm with it if you accidentally do something wrong. ^^
#500 [15:43] <Calinou> WorldEdit/WorldGuard for editing/protection
#501 [15:43] <bbbb> its not true what they say about the bitter world of IRC :)
#502 [15:43] <Calinou> LWC for chest protection
#503 [15:43] <Morrolan> Eh, the one issue many people have with IRC is that they expect an immediate answer I guess.
#504 [15:44] <Calinou> Morrolan: +1
#505 [15:44] <Morrolan> We get loads of people who ask a question and leave a minute later, throwing around some insults.
#506 [15:44] <bbbb> lol
#507 [15:44] <bbbb> im ok with that, im running this in a screen, im in channels that noones spoke in for months :p
#508 [15:44] <bbbb> neway
#509 [15:44] <bbbb> thanks again
#510 [15:44] * bbbb trundles off to fiddle
#510 [15:44] * bbbb trundles off to fiddle
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#514 [15:52] <bbbb> 19:50:24 [SEVERE] Could not load 'plugins/CommandBook.jar' in folder 'plugins'
#515 [15:52] <bbbb> org.bukkit.plugin.InvalidPluginException: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com/sk89q/minecraft/util/commands/CommandPermissionsException
#516 [15:53] <bbbb> think that might be a version thing too?
#517 [15:53] <bbbb> running plugin with this RC of 1.2?
#518 [15:54] <bbbb> i dled from http://dev.bukkit.org/server-mods/commandbook/
#519 [15:54] <bbbb> oh
#520 [15:54] <bbbb> need worldedit as well?
#521 [15:55] <bbbb> ah yes
#522 [15:55] <bbbb> needed both
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#524 [15:56] * sugoi defines trundle:
#524 [15:56] * sugoi (of a wheeled vehicle or its occupants) Move slowly and heavily, typically in a noisy or uneven way: "ten cars trundled past"
#524 [16:15] <Boreeas> bbbb: You may want to take this to #bukkit, there are probably more people to help you there
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#526 [16:26] <Sven> Hey
#527 [16:26] <sugoi> hi Sven
#528 [16:26] <Sven> I've got a question. Is it not longer possible to buy Minecraft via Paypal? Want to buy a gift key for a friend, but i can't find Paypal at the payment methods.
#529 [16:26] <GreyVulpine> I believe it was taken down. No idea as to why.
#530 [16:26] <sugoi> o_O paypal was always my recommended payment method
#531 [16:27] <sugoi> GreyVulpine: when did this happen?
#532 [16:27] <Sven> Do you think they'll add it again?
#533 [16:27] <Morrolan> Quite some time ago.
#534 [16:27] <Morrolan> A week atleast, sugoi.
#535 [16:27] <GreyVulpine> Either Morrolan or Boreeas suddenly found it missing a week or two ago.
#536 [16:27] * LilLucy hugs Morrolan goodnight
#536 [16:27] <Morrolan> Sven - Eh, none here knows why it was taken down in the first place, so it's hard to tell.
#537 [16:27] * Morrolan hugs LilLucy too
#537 [16:28] <Sven> Ok, i see. Thanks anyways
#538 [16:30] <Sven> Bye
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#540 [16:36] <helppppss> is my computer good enough to run a server and minecraft? for only me and my friend?
#541 [16:36] <GreyVulpine> Can you give us specs?
#542 [16:36] <helppppss> how
#543 [16:36] <GreyVulpine> What do you know about your computer?
#544 [16:36] <helppppss> i don't know
#545 [16:36] <helppppss> it's an hp
#546 [16:37] <GreyVulpine> So, it's running Windows, yes?
#547 [16:37] <helppppss> yea
#548 [16:37] <helppppss> windows xp
#549 [16:37] <GreyVulpine> Alright. Can you go to your start menu, right click on "My Computer" and choose properties. Tell us the CPU and RAM from there?
#550 [16:38] * sugoi wonders if http://canihostaminecraftserver.com/ is any good for this question
#550 [16:38] <GreyVulpine> It's only good if you know what to fill in
#551 [16:39] <helppppss> ok one sec
#552 [16:41] <helppppss> intel (R) pendium (r) 4 CPU 3.00Ghz 2.99Ghz 2,00 GB ram
#553 [16:41] <GreyVulpine> Alright, could you then head to http://speedtest.net/ and test your speed there. Tell us the result
#554 [16:42] <helppppss> sure
#555 [16:43] <helppppss> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1836317920.png
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#557 [16:46] <Morrolan> What an interesting connection.
#558 [16:46] <Morrolan> Higher upload than download speed? Rare for a home connection.
#559 [16:46] <GreyVulpine> Wow. A .76 megabit upload. You may be able to run a minecraft server, but not for any more than one person.
#560 [16:47] <helppppss> when i go in it i get hugge lag spikes tho
#561 [16:49] <helppppss> why does minecraft lagg
#562 [16:49] <sugoi> helppppss: it's a rather slow connection, too slow to host a server
#563 [16:49] <helppppss> also i have a question , will minecraft be comming to ps3 ?
#564 [16:49] <GreyVulpine> It will not.
#565 [16:49] <helppppss> :(
#566 [16:49] <helppppss> why
#567 [16:50] <helppppss> what did sony ever do to mojang?
#568 [16:50] <GreyVulpine> For consoles, Mojang has explicitly said it'll be an xbox exclusive.
#569 [16:50] <helppppss> but why exclusive for xbox? did they buy them off or does notch just not like ps3?
#570 [16:51] <xales> Businesses typically do not do anything unless money is involved.
#571 [16:51] <xales> Businesses typically do not do anything unless money is involved.
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#576 [16:53] <helppppss> hey are they ever gonna make the combat system better? like ever?
#577 [16:53] <cwazyasian> hello
#578 [16:53] <helppppss> herro
#579 [16:53] <cwazyasian> i was banned for griefing :(
#580 [16:53] <helppppss> cool story brohamski
#581 [16:53] <cwazyasian> i dont think i griefed tho lol
#582 [16:54] <sugoi> cwazyasian: talk to the server admins of that server
#583 [16:54] <cwazyasian> ihow?
#584 [16:54] <sugoi> cwazyasian: how would we know?
#585 [16:54] <helppppss> lol
#586 [16:54] <sugoi> depends on the server
#587 [16:54] <cwazyasian> metrocraft
#588 [16:54] <helppppss> check if they has a website
#589 [16:54] <cwazyasian> i farmed a small farm and bam
#590 [16:54] <cwazyasian> they do but theres no way to contact them
#591 [16:54] <helppppss> well don't still food then
#592 [16:55] <helppppss> steal*
#593 [16:55] <helppppss> make your own godam farm
#594 [16:55] <cwazyasian> i prefer the word borrowed
#595 [16:55] <helppppss> did u replant?
#596 [16:55] <cwazyasian> lol yes
#597 [16:55] <helppppss> lies
#598 [16:55] <cwazyasian> :3
#599 [16:55] <helppppss> i bet u only replant half of it
#600 [16:56] <cwazyasian> i did start my own farm tho
#601 [16:56] <cwazyasian> lol
#602 [16:56] <helppppss> how big was it
#603 [16:56] <cwazyasian> small
#604 [16:56] <helppppss> with fences?
#605 [16:56] <helppppss> DID U USE# WATER?!!!
#606 [16:57] <cwazyasian> no
#607 [16:57] <xales> I'm unsure how this discussion is relevant to the topic of this channel.
#608 [16:57] <helppppss> HE DIDNT EVEN USE WATER
#609 [16:57] <xales> If you wish to continue it, please do so privately.
#610 [16:57] <helppppss> omg
#611 [16:57] <xales> Also, stop shouting.
#612 [16:57] <helppppss> gtfo and google how to make a farm
#613 [16:57] <GreyVulpine> Easy there.
#614 [16:58] <BigAA13> Where can I complain about an order I placed?
#615 [16:58] <GreyVulpine> What order?
#616 [16:58] <helppppss> he used half of the seeds from the farm he griefed to make his pathetic farm with NO WATTER
#617 [16:58] <BigAA13> I purchased Minecraft but I am still not premium?
#618 [16:59] <sugoi> BigAA13: where did you but it from?
#619 [16:59] <helppppss> BigAA13 cool story broski
#620 [16:59] <xales> helppppss: That's not really relevant, please desist with this line of conversation.
#621 [16:59] <BigAA13> Minecraft.net
#622 [16:59] <sugoi> helppppss: and chill on the 'cool story broski' :)
#623 [16:59] <xales> BigAA13: How long ago did you buy it? Have you confirmed with your financial institution that the charge went through?
#624 [16:59] <sugoi> BigAA13: international purchases sometimes are blocked by banks
#625 [16:59] <sugoi> BigAA13: xales is refering to the same thing i am
#626 [17:00] <BigAA13> I bought it with Paypal
#627 [17:00] <xales> BigAA13: Did you receive a confirmation email?
#628 [17:00] <BigAA13> No. But I have the order ID.
#629 [17:01] <xales> What Minecraft account did you buy it for?
#630 [17:01] <BigAA13> BigAA13
#631 [17:01] <BigAA13> I bought it for BigAA13.
#632 [17:02] <xales> Log in to your account on minecraft.net and go to Profile.
#633 [17:02] <xales> Check if there are any gift codes listed; you may have to scroll down.
#634 [17:03] <BigAA13> There aren't any.
#635 [17:03] <xales> Do you have a PayPal account?
#636 [17:04] <BigAA13> I am kinda in a rush. Can I just tell you the order ID?
#637 [17:05] <xales> We are community support and not affiliated with Mojang in any way; all we can do is help diagnose the problem.
#638 [17:05] <Boreeas> BigAA13: No one here is affiliated with Mojang. I don't think an order ID is going to help anyone
#639 [17:06] <xales> Typically it's a problem on the bank's end; the system is entirely automated, and a successful purchase automatically marks the account as premium.
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#641 [17:07] <BigAA13> Because it said you have just bought Minecraft and it gave me the order ID and User name I bought it for.
#642 [17:08] <xales> BigAA13: Due to the way Paypal interfaces with Minecraft, it will say that even in the event that the transaction is denied.
#643 [17:09] <BigAA13> Ugh. Well I really have to go. Thanks anyways.
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#649 [17:52] <Cobra> So,
#650 [17:52] <Cobra> can you guys help with mods?
#651 [17:52] <Cobra> Specifically Wedge?
#652 [17:52] <Cobra> Specifically Wedge?
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#657 [18:18] <Hollow00> Hello
#658 [18:19] <Hollow00> i wanted to change my e-mail but i make mistake
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#660 [18:19] <Hollow00> i wrote z4rich3@gmal.com
#661 [18:20] <Hollow00> i want to write z4rich3@gmail.com
#662 [18:20] <xales> http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/329530-my-email-account-has-changed-
#663 [18:20] <xales> Read the second paragraph.
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#667 [18:49] <Dusty> anyone else getting the mc ran out of memory more regularly?
#668 [18:50] <xales> Dusty: Turn the view distance down.
#669 [18:50] <Dusty> its set to normal
#670 [18:50] <xales> How much RAM does your computer have?
#671 [18:50] <Dusty> 1.1 didn't have this problem
#672 [18:50] <Dusty> 3gb
#673 [18:51] <Dusty> if i press f3 i think it has a roof of 256mb?
#674 [18:51] <xales> How are you launching Minecraft?
#675 [18:51] <DiskDaemon> wuite the change occurred from 1.1 to 1.2, a doubling of the world height and harder workign ai, for example
#676 [18:51] <Dusty> but i could've sworn i raised java's memory to be 1gb
#677 [18:52] <Dusty> it launches thru the jar launcher
#678 [18:52] <Dusty> i can't use the normal method
#679 [18:52] <Dusty> you prolly know it as the linux launcher idk
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#681 [18:53] <Boreeas> How do you launch the jar? Double click, or from console?
#682 [18:53] <Dusty> still daemon, shouldn't the 1gb set in java show up instead of the 256mb?
#683 [18:53] <Dusty> it loads from the bat file i have if memory serves
#684 [18:53] <Dusty> wait nvm
#685 [18:53] <xales> Dusty: Why doesn't it work when you use the exe?
#686 [18:53] <Dusty> it loads from jar according to the shortcut
#687 [18:54] <Aliv3> Can anyone tell me when Minecraft PE will be fixed? I just made the mistake of updating it, now it simply crashes when I load a world.
#688 [18:54] <sugoi> PE?
#689 [18:54] <xales> sugoi: The phone version.
#690 [18:54] <sugoi> ah, packet edition
#691 [18:54] <sugoi> pockets, too
#692 [18:54] <xales> Aliv3: We have no idea; the only thing I can suggest is trying to make a new world.
#693 [18:54] <Dusty> xales you might recall me talking about it before, i'm the one who gets the noise an nothing happens
#694 [18:55] <Aliv3> Tried every option for craeting a new world already
#695 [18:55] <Aliv3> creating*
#696 [18:55] <xales> Aliv3: Remove it and reinstall it?
#697 [18:55] <Aliv3> Tried it
#698 [18:55] <xales> Dusty: You've tried reinstalling Java, yes?
#699 [18:55] <Dusty> yes
#700 [18:55] <Dusty> i've been here a few times about the issue of the loader
#701 [18:56] <Dusty> each time i come in here i end up talking about why i can't use the normal exe
#702 [18:56] <xales> Hmm.
#703 [18:56] <xales> Dusty: That's pretty much the cause of the problem.
#704 [18:56] <Dusty> eh?
#705 [18:56] <xales> Whatever you are using to launch Minecraft is limiting it to 256MB; if you want it to use more memory, that's what you need to change.
#706 [18:56] <Dusty> the issue atm is mc running out of memory, are you saying the jar is limiting it?
#707 [18:57] <Dusty> lol same idea @ same time thing
#708 [18:57] <sugoi> Dusty: can you run `java -Xmx1536m -Xms1024m -jar minecraft.jar`
#709 [18:57] <Magiobiwan> Aliv3, I can help witht he pocket edition
#710 [18:57] <Aliv3> Really?
#711 [18:57] <Magiobiwan> Aliv3, iOS or Android?
#712 [18:57] <Aliv3> Android
#713 [18:57] <Dusty> i'll see if the jar lets me use bat loading
#714 [18:57] <Magiobiwan> Hmm. What version do you have?
#715 [18:57] <Aliv3> iOS blows
#716 [18:57] <sugoi> Dusty: what is bat loading? :)
#717 [18:57] <sugoi> Dusty: just type that into a cmd window
#718 [18:58] <Magiobiwan> Batch file loading sugoi
#719 [18:58] <Aliv3> 0.2.1
#720 [18:58] * sugoi fails at sarcasm
#720 [18:58] <Magiobiwan> Aliv3, okay. iOS, which I have, is now at 0.2.1, but it WAS 0.2.0
#721 [18:58] <Dusty> but i like being able to use a shortcut than type out a long sentence just to play a game =)
#722 [18:58] <Aliv3> Yea i just updated about an hour ago
#723 [18:58] <Magiobiwan> So, Android SHOULD be 0.2.2 now
#724 [18:58] <Dusty> each an every time over an over
#725 [18:59] <sugoi> Dusty: then put a pause in your bat so you can see any errors
#726 [18:59] <sugoi> before the cmd prompt closes on you
#727 [18:59] <Magiobiwan> Because the 0.2.1 update was to fix some stability issues
#728 [19:00] <Aliv3> its still at 0.2.1 in the market
#729 [19:04] <Dusty> i'm going to guess the dos window isn't going to go away in either version? sugoi
#730 [19:04] <sugoi> Dusty: in either version?
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#732 [19:04] <sugoi> not sure what you mean, 'pause' just holds the cmd prompt (dos window) open until you click on the window and press a akey
#733 [19:04] <sugoi> s/ak/k/
#734 [19:05] <Dusty> nope, for me it holds the dos window open wither pause is added or not until i exit the game
#735 [19:06] <sugoi> Dusty: yes, it'll stay open if the commands are still running
#736 [19:06] <sugoi> but if the game crashes or closes and there was output you wanted to read, sans pause you'd not get a good chance to see it
#737 [19:06] <Dusty> ok i can see that being something for debug mode, but normal use?
#738 [19:07] <xales> sugoi: You mean you can't read the entirety of the message in under a second?
#739 [19:07] <xales> Dusty: If it works, just be happy that it works and ignore it.
#740 [19:07] <sugoi> xales: not unless i'm in hyperspace, no
#741 [19:07] <sugoi> heh
#742 [19:07] <Dusty> i get ur point xales but if theres a chance to fix it i will try =p
#743 [19:07] <xales> Dusty: There isn't an easy way to, no.
#744 [19:08] <sugoi> Dusty: so the cmd i gave you works?
#745 [19:08] <Dusty> easy no, complicated perhaps?
#746 [19:08] <sugoi> what mem allowance is displayed via f3?
#747 [19:08] <Dusty> yes cmd works
#748 [19:08] <Dusty> sugoi roughly 1gb i think it cuts it to 999
#749 [19:09] <Dusty> so for the fixing memory part ty both
#750 [19:09] <Dusty> if its super mega omg complicated to stop dos from hanging around then nvm =)
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#752 [19:10] <Dusty> i will just say ty again as i wasn't aware the jar needed memory adjustments, i assumed it had that tucked into itself
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#754 [19:11] <Dusty> now i'm off to figure out why mysql crashes my pc >.>
#755 [19:11] <sugoi> Dusty: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=hide+cmd+window+bat
#756 [19:12] <Dusty> eh? whats this?
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#758 [19:12] <sugoi> help for you
#759 [19:12] <Dusty> lol for the mysql?
#760 [19:12] <sugoi> nope
#761 [19:12] <Dusty> i already know i'm fighting a losing battle with it
#762 [19:12] <Dusty> then idk /confuse
#763 [19:13] <sugoi> did you use it?
#764 [19:13] <Dusty> idk what it is tbh
#765 [19:13] <Aliv3> Oh well im sure it will get fixed eventually
#766 [19:13] <Aliv3> See ya people
#767 [19:13] <Aliv3> See ya people
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#769 [19:16] <Dusty> my blocker seems to lock that page by default, wonder why.. at any rate seems to be a google search by you, ty i'll look into it
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#777 [19:47] <JVarhol> hello
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#786 [21:03] <TimmiT> HALP! Everytime I try running the game, it works for about 15 minutes. Then, everytime i place a block it's invisible. Then about 5 minutes later, Java crashes. Can't figure it out. (Yes, I have the latest version of Java)
#787 [21:04] <xales> Try turning the view distance down, to Normal or lower, if it isn't already.
#788 [21:04] <TimmiT> Tried it on lowest, still crashes...
#789 [21:04] * Pepper is glad he doesn't have to do that
#789 [21:04] <xales> Try completely uninstalling, then reinstalling, Java.
#790 [21:04] <xales> Beyond that, someone else may be able to help. I'm heading off to bed
#791 [21:04] <TimmiT> Yup, tried that too
#792 [21:04] <TimmiT> thanks, though
#793 [21:05] <xales> Are you using any mods?
#794 [21:05] <TimmiT> Nope!
#795 [21:05] <xales> Huh.
#796 [21:05] * xales tags GreyVulpine in
#796 [21:05] <TimmiT> I'm stumped too
#797 [21:05] <xales> Also, hi Kealper.
#798 [21:05] <GreyVulpine> Mrah?
#799 [21:06] * xales points GreyVulpine up ~8lines
#799 [21:06] <GreyVulpine> Do you get any error reports?
#800 [21:06] <TimmiT> From what I remember, the only message was Java has stopped working
#801 [21:07] <GreyVulpine> Where you have the minecraft application or executable, do you see any files starting with hs_err_pid?
#802 [21:09] <TimmiT> Just checked, nothing I can find
#803 [21:09] <TimmiT> I think It's Java though, not so much the game...
#804 [21:10] <GreyVulpine> The usual suspects are java, video drivers, and corrupt minecraft files.
#805 [21:10] <GreyVulpine> I see you said you've reinstalled java, have you tried reinstalling/updating video drivers? Also, have you tried a 'force update' through the minecraft launcher?
#806 [21:10] <TimmiT> My video drivers should be good, and I reinstalled java a couple times
#807 [21:11] <TimmiT> I
#808 [21:11] <TimmiT> I'll try the force update, see what happens
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#811 [21:28] <TimmiT> So far, so good since the update...
#812 [21:31] <GreyVulpine> Sounds good
#813 [21:31] <TimmiT> Thanks for the help
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#820 [22:44] <ef0425> Hey all, I'm having a problem setting up the Tale of Kingdoms mod along with ModLoader. Then Tale of Kingdoms was added to my mods folder Minecraft crashed. I have the ModLoader.txt file opened but can't make much sense of the error report.
#821 [22:47] <GreyVulpine> As far as I know, ToK hasn't been updated for 1.2
#822 [22:48] <DiskDaemon> ?pb | ef0425
#823 [22:48] <DiskDaemon> Post the error log to pastebin, or some other place such as paste.ubuntu.com
#824 [22:48] <GreyVulpine> ToK hasn't been updated for 1.2.x yet
#825 [22:49] <GreyVulpine> See http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/751960-110-tale-of-kingdoms-version-130-pre3/
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#827 [22:51] <ef0425> Is there any way to play it with the updated version then?
#828 [22:51] <DiskDaemon> no, but you can downgrade to a compatible version so that you may play it
#829 [22:52] <ef0425> That's what I assumed, how would I go about doing that though? I would have to downgrade both minecraft and modloader then correct?
#830 [22:52] <DiskDaemon> Correct. Usually it's better to use a separate .minecraft/ folder to handle that different version
#831 [22:53] <sugoi> ef0425: keep in mind that there is no official download for older versions
#832 [22:53] <sugoi> ef0425: anything you find is distributing it illegally
#833 [22:53] <DiskDaemon> There is MCNostalgia that patches the current version back to a previous one.
#834 [22:53] <ef0425> Well that's unfortunate..
#835 [22:53] <ef0425> That would work!
#836 [22:53] <sugoi> ef0425: i'm not saying you won't find a solution, i'm just saying not all official
#837 [22:53] <DiskDaemon> http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/800346-tool-mcnostalgia-210-now-works-with-123-fixed-downgrading-to-10/
#838 [22:54] <sugoi> none are*
#839 [22:54] <sugoi> DiskDaemon: let's not distrbute links to unauthorized distributions
#840 [22:54] <DiskDaemon> And while it's not official, MCNostalgia has been run past Notch who doesn't have major concerns with it
#841 [22:54] <DiskDaemon> sugoi: It's not an unofficial distribution. It uses your own existing version of Minecraft to create a previous version.
#842 [22:55] <ef0425> In terms of ModLoader and an older version of that though?..
#843 [22:55] <sugoi> DiskDaemon: this is a warning
#844 [22:55] <clarjon1> ...
#845 [22:55] <clarjon1> sugoi: It's been recommended by the ops in here.
#846 [22:55] <clarjon1> wug's recommended it
#847 [22:55] * sugoi is left out
#847 [22:55] <clarjon1> and i'm certain i've seen greyvulpine recommend it
#848 [22:55] <clarjon1> and it's Notch Meh'd
#849 [22:55] <DiskDaemon> okay, I'm just saying that I don't consider it to fall in to the category of a distribution, that's all.
#850 [22:56] <sugoi> DiskDaemon: sorry, apparently i've been misinformed
#851 [22:56] <DiskDaemon> thanks :)
#852 [22:57] * sugoi takes a chill pill and gets back to programming
#852 [22:58] <ef0425> I tried to use McNostalgia to unpatch but I ran into an error about not having backup files. Honestly I'll just wait for ToK to get updated to 1.2.3. Thanks for the help though all!
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#854 [23:06] <Reb00mad> What Version Of minecraft is the latest Aether Compatible with?
#855 [23:06] <sugoi> Reb00mad: i'd check auther's forum
#856 [23:07] <sugoi> or ask on a mod-centric forum, like #bukkit or #risecraft
#857 [23:08] <Wug> lol notch meh'd
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#863 [23:33] <Tabris> Hello guys. I wanted to know. I have a huge installation full of mods for 1.1, when all the mods are updated to 1.2.3, if i make a 1.2.3 install with the same mods can i use the same world without problem?
#864 [23:34] <GreyVulpine> That's all dependent on those mods.
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#867 [23:42] <Tabris> GreyVulpine: RedPower, IC2, EE, Buildcraft, Railcraft...
#868 [23:42] <Tabris> those are the biggero nes
#869 [23:47] <Tabris> The mods do change world generation, but i don't think there will be big cahnges on it from their 1.1 versions to their 1.2.3
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