#1 [00:01] <GreyVulpine> make sure to move your saves back into the .minecraft folder
#2 [00:02] <GreyVulpine> mv ~/saves ~/.minecraft/
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#6 [00:24] <Kuxir> I did
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#13 [01:20] <Sporkin> hey, I have a question about the massive holes/missing chunks glitch. is the ONLY thing to do with that, relog?
#14 [01:20] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#15 [01:21] <Sporkin> i read somewhere, that it's caused by timing issues between server and client?
#16 [01:21] <GreyVulpine> Otherwise, yell at the server's owner to stop hosting it out of a dialup connection
#17 [01:21] <GreyVulpine> It's a latency issue.
#18 [01:21] <GreyVulpine> Or the server is overloaded
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#20 [01:22] <Sporkin> i see.. thanks
#21 [01:22] <Sporkin> so if the glitch is only happening to one person, not everyone it could be just a bad connection?
#22 [01:22] * GreyVulpine nods, "Certainly possible"
#22 [01:32] * rev-lemon is it ok to use zombies as arrow aiming zones ?
#22 [01:32] <Pepper> Sure?
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#28 [02:13] <libraryaddict> !paid liquid_paper_1
#29 [02:13] <libraryaddict> Huh
#30 [02:13] <libraryaddict> Who the heck are they then
#31 [02:13] <Pepper> White out
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#33 [02:22] <rev-lemon> pepper i was being stupid :P
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#36 [02:58] <clone1018> So, I need some help, here's my error, its wonderful, shows up before the splash but after login, https://gist.github.com/776850065926383951ac
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#40 [03:34] <rev-lemon> clone1018 reinstall java
#41 [03:35] <clone1018> Only done that about 20 times
#42 [03:35] <rev-lemon> hm
#43 [03:35] <rev-lemon> are you running any mods ?
#44 [03:35] <clone1018> Nope
#45 [03:36] <rev-lemon> what happens if you try online on a web broswer say goto minecraft.net and login and see what happens on in broswer play
#46 [03:37] <clone1018> Applet doesnt show up
#47 [03:39] <Wug> clone1018: lol hello
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#49 [03:39] <Wug> also wow thats the most nondescriptive error message ever
#50 [03:39] <clone1018> yup.
#51 [03:39] <Wug> what os are you using, are you using the download client or the web one
#52 [03:40] <clone1018> Windows 8 and both
#53 [03:40] <Wug> what version of java do you have, and what hardware are you using
#54 [03:40] <Wug> oh, windows 8
#55 [03:40] <clone1018> Tried all versions of java
#56 [03:40] <Wug> it might be a graphics driver issue
#57 [03:40] <clone1018> Its worked before
#58 [03:40] <clone1018> Thought it would be
#59 [03:40] <clone1018> But I can play everything
#60 [03:40] <clone1018> WebGL, DirectX, everything
#61 [03:41] <Wug> its worked before [on this version of windows]?
#62 [03:41] <clone1018> Yes
#63 [03:42] <Wug> did windows install any updates by itself
#64 [03:42] <Wug> :dx
#65 [03:42] <WugBot> dx: Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#66 [03:42] <WugBot> dx: Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link you are sent to, and paste it here.
#67 [03:42] <clone1018> Dont think so
#68 [03:42] <clone1018> it randomly decides to work
#69 [03:42] <Wug> .. you mean it works sometimes?
#70 [03:42] <clone1018> Yes
#71 [03:42] <Wug> looks like youve gotten yourself a heisenbug
#72 [03:42] <Wug> or was it a shroedenbug
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#74 [03:43] <Wug> idk, but its probably a windows issue
#75 [03:43] <Wug> or a driver issue caused by windows
#76 [03:43] <Wug> there probably isnt much you will be able to do except wait for a more stable release of windows 8 / your graphics driver
#77 [03:45] <clone1018> coo
#78 [03:45] <Wug> the correct term is a mandelbug
#79 [03:45] <Wug> "A bug whose underlying causes are so complex and obscure as to make its behavior appear chaotic or even non-deterministic. This term implies that the speaker thinks it is a Bohr bug, rather than a heisenbug. See also schroedinbug."
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#81 [03:45] <Wug> http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/M/mandelbug.html
#82 [03:48] <clone1018> Wug: still want that dxd report
#83 [03:48] <Wug> clone1018: sure
#84 [03:48] <clone1018> https://gist.github.com/6949ed98b96d224c66a4
#85 [03:48] <Wug> did it ever work reliably before
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#87 [03:49] <Wug> judging by the fact that you have an ati card its almost certainly a driver issue
#88 [03:49] <clone1018> Yes
#89 [03:49] <Wug> I hear they have driver issues a lot
#90 [03:49] <clone1018> I got like 150 FPS
#91 [03:49] <clone1018> it was great
#92 [03:49] <Wug> try rolling back the driver
#93 [03:49] <clone1018> To what
#94 [03:49] <Wug> the most recent version that was i9nstalled
#95 [03:50] <Wug> if that doesnt work, you might visit their website and try various other old versions
#96 [03:50] <Wug> you should be able to roll back to the last installed version from the device managr
#97 [03:51] <clone1018> Why would it be a driver issue that only messes up with minecraft?
#98 [03:51] <Wug> because opengl
#99 [03:51] <Wug> the vast majority of other games are directx
#100 [03:51] <Wug> thus, directx support usually gets better faster
#101 [03:52] <Wug> because it has more people using it, and gets more criticism when it doesnt work
#102 [03:52] <Wug> windows uses directx for pretty much everything
#103 [03:52] <Wug> if its an opengl bug in the most recent version of the driver, it might not affect anything else at all
#104 [03:53] <Wug> also, your last driver update was feb 16, its possible that it broke due to a windows update
#105 [03:53] <Wug> it might be a good idea to check if there is a newer driver available too
#106 [03:53] <clone1018> I updated yesterday
#107 [03:54] <clone1018> Brand new version
#108 [03:54] <clone1018> unisntalled the old completely
#109 [03:54] <Wug> Driver Date/Size: 2/16/2012 23:53:58, 1026048 bytes
#110 [03:54] <Wug> maybe this has something to do with it
#111 [03:55] <clone1018> It says i'm up to date
#112 [03:55] <clone1018> I'll rollback
#113 [03:56] <Wug> from what I understand amd does this a lot
#114 [03:56] <clone1018> just rolled bvack
#115 [03:57] <clone1018> it works...
#116 [03:57] <clone1018> ;-;
#117 [03:57] <clone1018> Now lets make sure I get 280+ fps in TF2
#118 [03:57] <clone1018> if I do I will accept Wug as my new overlord
#119 [03:58] <Wug> might be a good idea to skip this current version of amd's driver
#120 [03:58] <clone1018> Wug is my new overlord
#121 [04:00] <Wug> see, we do know what were talking about
#122 [04:01] <clone1018> The last 3 times you havent
#123 [04:03] <Wug> the majority of the issues we get are all the same
#124 [04:03] <Wug> its either a driver issue or a java issue
#125 [04:03] <Wug> occasionally we see something that happened because of a firewall or someone pirating it
#126 [04:03] <GreyVulpine> Or mods
#127 [04:04] <Wug> yeah, well, those too. but we dont support those
#128 [04:04] <Wug> thats a door I dont want to open
#129 [04:04] <GreyVulpine> Or mac.
#130 [04:04] <Wug> lolmacs
#131 [04:06] <GreyVulpine> Or corrupt player.dat
#132 [04:06] <Wug> or damaged worlds
#133 [04:06] <GreyVulpine> /server running via dialup
#134 [04:06] <Wug> trying to host a server on a computer with the specs of a microwave
#135 [04:07] <Wug> a pentium 4 that turns 400 watts into thermal dissipation
#136 [04:07] * GreyVulpine snrks
#136 [04:07] <GreyVulpine> Or Double-NAT
#137 [04:08] <Wug> NAT-plex
#138 [04:08] <GreyVulpine> Think the best one I've had, was around when first started here. Mac, through an apple branded router + time capsule, running parallels, hosting a minecraft server in that windows environment
#139 [04:09] <Wug> why
#140 [04:09] <Wug> WHYYYYYY
#141 [04:09] <GreyVulpine> That was a fun teamviewer session... because they wanted it that way
#142 [04:09] <Wug> what a horrible way to want anything
#143 [04:10] <Wug> all the really fun ones I get involve people who messed with their registry
#144 [04:10] * GreyVulpine snrks
#144 [04:10] <Wug> OH OHH OHHH
#145 [04:10] <Wug> remember that guy
#146 [04:10] <Wug> the "experienced computer user"
#147 [04:10] <GreyVulpine> Oh no.
#148 [04:11] <Wug> who ran without an AV for a week and managed to get relevant knowledge and a pile of other viruses on a fresh windows install IN A WEEK
#149 [04:11] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, I remember him.
#150 [04:11] <Wug> I lold so hard
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#158 [05:36] <libraryaddict> Can ghasts see though glass?
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#160 [05:37] <rev-lemon> no
#161 [05:37] <libraryaddict> Hmm
#162 [05:37] <rev-lemon> it should be classed as a block and that block they cant see though
#163 [05:37] <libraryaddict> Another question. How do I hack into notch's minecraft account?
#164 [05:37] <libraryaddict> jokes
#165 [05:37] <rev-lemon> if you happen to show your self eiter side of that glass ghasts will shoot you
#166 [05:37] <libraryaddict> Yere
#167 [05:38] <rev-lemon> ask notch :P
#168 [05:38] <libraryaddict> Guess I can stick my glass wall of "nanana you cant hurt me" in
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#197 [09:38] <Frank_Fruit> Hello
#198 [09:38] <Frank_Fruit> Hello?
#199 [09:39] <Frank_Fruit> HELLO!
#200 [09:39] <Frank_Fruit> ANYONE THERE?
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#202 [09:40] <Frank_Fruit> As helpful as archives...
#203 [09:40] <Frank_Fruit> As helpful as archives...
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#208 [10:17] <isaacKeller> hey im new to minecraft never even played it yet and im into trying it but i was curious buying it gets you what?
#209 [10:17] <isaacKeller> can someone please help me out ?
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#213 [10:38] <Boreeas> isaacKeller: Premium account
#214 [10:38] <Boreeas> isaacKeller: That basically means access to the game and all it's content
#215 [10:47] <isaacKeller> ahh ty
#216 [10:47] <isaacKeller> just went and bought it
#217 [10:50] <isaacKeller> Another question I was curious if i play on another server will my work their allways be saved?
#218 [10:51] <barnseenio> depends on the server i guess
#219 [10:51] <Boreeas> Yes
#220 [10:51] <barnseenio> its just data saved in files on whatever server you play on
#221 [10:52] <Boreeas> Yes it depends on the server
#222 [10:52] <Boreeas> Normally, your works should be saved as long as the server doesn't experience any malfunction and the files are not deleted, but it entirely up to the server owner
#223 [10:53] <isaacKeller> Thanks so much for the support so far, is there any recommendations on a good stable server for minecraft?
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#225 [10:54] <Boreeas> ??> isaacKeller smp/servers
#226 [10:54] <VoxelHead> isaacKeller: (smp/servers) There currently is no master list of all SMP servers. Fan-made indexes include http://minestatus.net/ - http://www.mcserverlist.net/ - http://www.reddit.com/r/mcservers - http://minecraftservers.net/ - http://minecraft.dk/mcserverlist/
#227 [10:54] <VoxelHead> isaacKeller: (smp/servers) You can also find a list at the MC forums at http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewforum.php?f=1025. Also, try the #smp channel.
#228 [10:54] <barnseenio> smp are good
#229 [10:54] <barnseenio> err oh hmm
#230 [10:54] <barnseenio> run your own server !
#231 [10:55] <barnseenio> can get lonely though :p
#232 [10:55] <isaacKeller> ahh tyvm
#233 [10:55] <isaacKeller> I would.. but i got satalite internet :(
#234 [10:55] <barnseenio> jeepers
#235 [10:55] <isaacKeller> I feel like a caveman where i live lol.. we dont even get dial up..
#236 [10:55] <barnseenio> which country?
#237 [10:55] <isaacKeller> altho dial up would be worse
#238 [10:56] <isaacKeller> usa, but in colorado alma to be specific
#239 [10:56] <isaacKeller> up at 14 thousand feet
#240 [10:56] <isaacKeller> :o
#241 [10:56] <barnseenio> aah i see
#242 [10:56] <isaacKeller> ya its terrible im use to the fibre optic spees
#243 [10:56] <isaacKeller> speeds*
#244 [10:57] <isaacKeller> heres one last question about creating my own world then im off to try this game :) i notice something about a Seed Generator, and its left blank what would that do? wut do i even type
#245 [10:57] <xales> If it's left blank it automatically generates a seed.
#246 [10:58] <barnseenio> pl share seeds online
#247 [10:58] <barnseenio> which will generate a world in a certain way
#248 [10:58] <isaacKeller> so its like the vegatation of the earth im kinda assuming?
#249 [10:58] <barnseenio> hills, whole terrain i guess
#250 [10:59] <barnseenio> its not seed like plant
#251 [10:59] <barnseenio> more seed like random seed
#252 [10:59] <isaacKeller> ahh ok
#253 [11:00] <isaacKeller> ty guys
#254 [11:00] <barnseenio> good luck!
#255 [11:01] <isaacKeller> :)
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#282 [15:43] <clone1018> Wug: no longer works.
#283 [15:43] <Wug> clone1018: did windows install the new one again
#284 [15:44] <clone1018> Yes, I can roll back again
#285 [15:44] * GreyVulpine facepalms
#285 [15:44] <Wug> file a bug report
#286 [15:45] <Wug> if people complain about it it will get fixed
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#289 [15:59] <mib_p251f3> plop
#290 [16:00] <mib_p251f3> anybody reads me?
#291 [16:01] <Morrolan> Think I do.
#292 [16:02] <mib_p251f3> okey
#293 [16:02] <mib_p251f3> can u help me?
#294 [16:02] <WugBot> mib_p251f3: (ww) Help you with what? Please describe the problem in detail.
#295 [16:03] <mib_p251f3> I had bought the game several times
#296 [16:03] <mib_p251f3> but I still without the premium account
#297 [16:03] <Morrolan> Did your card ever get charged the money?
#298 [16:04] <mib_p251f3> ¬_¬
#299 [16:04] <mib_p251f3> more than you ever could gess
#300 [16:04] <Morrolan> And where did you buy the game from?
#301 [16:05] <mib_p251f3> uuuh,from the official page of the game
#302 [16:05] <mib_p251f3> and I'm from Argentina
#303 [16:05] <Morrolan> So, from www.minecraft.net?
#304 [16:05] <mib_p251f3> yeap
#305 [16:05] <Wug> whats your account name
#306 [16:06] <mib_p251f3> why do you ask that?
#307 [16:06] <Wug> because we can check if its paid
#308 [16:06] <mib_p251f3> wow sorry
#309 [16:07] <mib_p251f3> you are a admin or somthing like that?
#310 [16:07] <mib_p251f3> an*
#311 [16:07] <Wug> anyone can check if an account is paid
#312 [16:07] <Cory__> mib_p251f3- Anybody can check if your account is premium or not
#313 [16:07] <mib_p251f3> ok
#314 [16:07] <mib_p251f3> I allready know that
#315 [16:08] <Cory__> Then what's the account name?
#316 [16:08] <mib_p251f3> my problem is that I CAN NOT HAVE A PREMIUM ACCOUNT
#317 [16:08] <Cory__> <mib_p251f3> I had bought the game several times
#318 [16:08] <mib_p251f3> NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES I BOUGHT THE GAME
#319 [16:08] <Cory__> If you buy it, you have a premium account.
#320 [16:09] <Wug> whats your account name
#321 [16:09] <mib_p251f3> at least that's what the page told me
#322 [16:09] <mib_p251f3> KahilHM
#323 [16:09] <Wug> ;hp KahilHM
#324 [16:09] <WugBot> KahilHM has NOT paid for minecraft.
#325 [16:09] <Wug> have you used paypal
#326 [16:09] <OBudista> this conversation keeps improving
#327 [16:10] <GreyVulpine> Chances are, bank stopped payment
#328 [16:10] <mib_p251f3> or...
#329 [16:10] <Wug> or what?
#330 [16:10] <Wug> it happens a lot
#331 [16:11] <Wug> either the bank or the credit card company you used to pay stopped the transaction as an antifraud measure
#332 [16:11] <mib_p251f3> that doesn't helps me wug
#333 [16:11] <Wug> you could try calling their customer support
#334 [16:12] <GreyVulpine> Actually it does. You'll need to call up your bank to inquire about it
#335 [16:12] <Wug> if its something stopping the payment on their end, and it almost certainly is
#336 [16:12] <Wug> you'll have to call and ask why its being stopped and ask them to approve it
#337 [16:15] <mib_p251f3> or i could take a gunshoot and pull the trigger right to the end of my back
#338 [16:16] <mib_p251f3> perhaps...
#339 [16:16] <Cory__> da fuck
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#342 [16:16] <mib_p251f3> Blah blah blah my soul to take
#343 [16:16] <Wug> mib_p251f3: screw your head on straight
#344 [16:17] <mib_p251f3> on da way whit your MAMA
#345 [16:17] <Morrolan> Now what could we do to resolve this. :/
#346 [16:17] <mib_p251f3> mmm
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#348 [16:17] <mib_p251f3> seems like MARIHUANA!
#349 [16:18] <Morrolan> Happen to have an idea, Wug?
#350 [16:18] <Wug> I do
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#352 [16:18] * GreyVulpine coughs
#352 [16:18] <Morrolan> Yes, that sounds about right.
#353 [16:18] <Wug> or that
#354 [16:18] <Wug> wasnt going to be my solution but ok
#355 [16:19] <Cory__> i'm assuming +q = quiet in esper?
#356 [16:19] <Wug> sounds about right
#357 [16:19] <Wug> sounds about right
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#359 [16:19] <Cory__> ah. i thought he set him as owner at first lol
#360 [16:19] <Wug> ;dq mib_p251f3
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#362 [16:19] <GreyVulpine> Stop using mibbit!
#363 [16:19] * GreyVulpine kicks Cory__
#363 [16:20] <Cory__> :P
#364 [16:20] <Wug> using mibbit should be a bannable offense
#365 [16:20] * GreyVulpine considers rewriting channel rules
#365 [16:21] <Wug> add "if you use mibbit, you will be treated like you are not turing complete" in 2 pt font at the end
#366 [16:22] <Cory__> lol GreyVulpine
#367 [16:22] <GreyVulpine> >.>
#368 [16:22] <GreyVulpine> I had to make sure...
#369 [16:23] <Wug> had to make sure of what
#370 [16:23] <OBudista> disapointed at the conversation
#371 [16:23] <GreyVulpine> [Cory__ VERSION reply]: xchat 2.8.6-2 Windows Vista [Intel Pentium 4/2.79GHz]
#372 [16:23] <OBudista> had so much potential
#373 [16:23] <Cory__> GreyVulpine- I should definitely change some ctcp replies in my bouncer..
#374 [16:24] <GreyVulpine> You really should
#375 [16:24] <Wug> I'm pretty sure I can edit scotts posts
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#377 [16:26] <thesuperguy> anyone here?
#378 [16:27] <Wug> a few
#379 [16:27] <Cory__> Nope, absolutely nobody.
#380 [16:27] <thesuperguy> lol
#381 [16:27] <thesuperguy> well
#382 [16:27] * Wug drags GreyVulpine's body to the dumpster
#382 [16:27] <thesuperguy> i will ask the question assuming a ghost will answer it
#383 [16:27] <thesuperguy> so just a few minutes ago
#384 [16:28] <thesuperguy> i transfered all my server software to another computer
#385 [16:28] <thesuperguy> running on the smae network
#386 [16:28] <thesuperguy> however
#387 [16:28] <GreyVulpine> Can't connect to it?
#388 [16:28] <Morrolan> POOOORT FOOORWARDING RULE.
#389 [16:28] <thesuperguy> when i tried joining my same server
#390 [16:28] <GreyVulpine> ^
#391 [16:28] <thesuperguy> and that rule would be
#392 [16:29] <thesuperguy> because i already portforwarded my servver before
#393 [16:29] <Cory__> GreyVulpine- Feel free to time/version/userinfo me :P
#394 [16:29] <Wug> point it to the new computer
#395 [16:29] <Morrolan> You'll have to change the rule to point to the new computer's internal IP though.
#396 [16:29] <GreyVulpine> The rule that you set in your router to forward minecraft server traffic to a certain computetr
#397 [16:29] <GreyVulpine> Now that you switched computers..
#398 [16:29] <thesuperguy> ahhhh
#399 [16:29] <thesuperguy> i see
#400 [16:29] <thesuperguy> is it possible to point it at both computers
#401 [16:29] <Wug> no
#402 [16:29] <GreyVulpine> No
#403 [16:29] <Cory__> Port triggering
#404 [16:29] <thesuperguy> well that sucks
#405 [16:30] <Cory__> Although that's for outgoing connections I believe
#406 [16:30] <thesuperguy> well
#407 [16:30] <thesuperguy> time to reportforward
#408 [16:30] <Wug> theres no sane way to forward a port to 2 computers
#409 [16:30] <thesuperguy> :/
#410 [16:30] <Wug> what if both respond
#411 [16:30] <thesuperguy> oh but
#412 [16:30] <thesuperguy> what if
#413 [16:30] <Wug> thesuperguy: alternatively, you could forward a different port
#414 [16:30] <thesuperguy> i port forward
#415 [16:31] <thesuperguy> i was just about to say that
#416 [16:31] <thesuperguy> lol
#417 [16:31] <Cory__> ;)
#418 [16:31] <thesuperguy> so if i forward it to a nother port
#419 [16:31] <thesuperguy> that means people will have to
#420 [16:31] <thesuperguy> use the :...
#421 [16:31] <GreyVulpine> People will have to connect with ip:port
#422 [16:31] <thesuperguy> such as :25567
#423 [16:31] <Cory__> Then change the server.properties to reflect the new port being forwarded
#424 [16:31] * GreyVulpine nods
#424 [16:32] <thesuperguy> k
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#428 [16:58] <fault> ;check mc.parachan.net
#429 [16:58] <WugBot> mc.parachan.net:25565 seems to host a minecraft server: Parachan.net SMP (3/30)
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#437 [17:52] <carnibird> hello!
#438 [17:52] <carnibird> i need some help on water lifts
#439 [17:52] <carnibird> can anybody give me clues?
#440 [17:52] <Wug> for a mob elevator or something?
#441 [17:53] <carnibird> for a mine elevator
#442 [17:53] <carnibird> i cant make the elevator
#443 [17:53] <carnibird> the water doesnt stack
#444 [17:53] <carnibird> i'm in survival mode
#445 [17:53] <carnibird> i'd love some advice
#446 [17:53] <Wug> well, the design I typically use is a 1x1 wide vertical hole
#447 [17:54] <Wug> I alternate signs and water
#448 [17:54] <carnibird> it's so obvious
#449 [17:54] <carnibird> omg
#450 [17:54] <Wug> you can light it up too by digging in a block opposite the sign and placing torches
#451 [17:54] <carnibird> why do i watch tutorials while i have a brain
#452 [17:54] <Wug> or you can use lightstone or something
#453 [17:54] <carnibird> thank you very much!
#454 [17:54] <Wug> np
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#456 [17:56] <Fwb2700> Can someone help with a strange 1fps issue? i used to get up to 250fps but the last few days i'm maxing at 6
#457 [17:56] <Wug> is it specific to one world
#458 [17:57] <Fwb2700> nope multiplayer and world single player everything. ive tried completly reinstalling java minecraft and updated my graphics drivers
#459 [17:57] <GreyVulpine> What java are you using?
#460 [17:57] <Wug> and what os and graphics driver
#461 [17:57] <Fwb2700> i have just made a new partition and install win7 again (now have 2 instalations) and on new one minecraft is fine
#462 [17:58] <Fwb2700> the latest java from there website
#463 [17:58] <GreyVulpine> Which is?
#464 [17:58] <Wug> latest should work fine
#465 [17:58] <Wug> if you hit f3, what color is the bar, red or white
#466 [17:58] <Fwb2700> Win 7 64bit 6Gb Ram Intel i7 Radion 1gb Graphics
#467 [17:58] <Wug> (mostly red or mostly white)
#468 [17:59] * GreyVulpine calls java 32 bit on a 64 bit OS
#468 [17:59] <Wug> it could be that
#469 [17:59] <Fwb2700> im on my 32 bit version atm so cant check but it covers the entire screen
#470 [18:00] <Wug> Fwb2700: what color is it
#471 [18:00] <Wug> can you post a screenshot
#472 [18:00] <Fwb2700> i brb in 10 need to swap os
#473 [18:00] <Wug> GreyVulpine: TIL how to distinguish between processor issues and graphics ones by looking at F3
#474 [18:01] <Wug> red/green is render time, white is tick time
#475 [18:01] <Wug> obviously, render is gpu, tick is cpu
#476 [18:02] <[z]> Press number keys to "enter" each thing
#477 [18:02] <[z]> 0 to "exit"
#478 [18:02] <Wug> I spose theres the pie chart too
#479 [18:02] <Wug> I mean, just looking at the colored fps bar graph thats been there forever
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#483 [18:10] <carnibird> 1x1 is enough to let a boat go through the water elevator?
#484 [18:10] <GreyVulpine> boats are 2x2
#485 [18:11] <carnibird> ow
#486 [18:11] <carnibird> ok
#487 [18:13] <carnibird> why use signs instead of ladders by the way?
#488 [18:13] <carnibird> it's very long as i can carry only one sign in a block
#489 [18:14] <rev-lemon> sings stack in middle of nowhere where ladders are something you have to add to something
#490 [18:14] <carnibird> i dont understand
#491 [18:14] <carnibird> to place a sign you need a block
#492 [18:15] <rev-lemon> no,
#493 [18:15] <rev-lemon> you only need another sign or something thats already there
#494 [18:15] <rev-lemon> but at least it stacks
#495 [18:15] <rev-lemon> :P
#496 [18:16] <Wug> carnibird: you can use ladders
#497 [18:16] <Wug> theyr
#498 [18:16] <Wug> they're more boring though
#499 [18:16] <Wug> I like to make all of the signs say derp
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#501 [18:17] <JagerBaseAven> Hello?
#502 [18:17] <carnibird> ok
#503 [18:17] <carnibird> ty all
#504 [18:18] <JagerBaseAven> Isent this Minecraft Help area?
#505 [18:18] <carnibird> btw ty for the sign knowledge
#506 [18:18] <carnibird> i tried ^^
#507 [18:18] <carnibird> it is!
#508 [18:18] <rev-lemon> JagerBaseAven yes
#509 [18:19] <JagerBaseAven> ok so my problem is That i am not reciving my Premunim
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#511 [18:19] <rev-lemon> JagerBaseAven has your card been charged ?
#512 [18:19] <JagerBaseAven> I am pretty shure it said my order ID and everything
#513 [18:20] <rev-lemon> JagerBaseAven how did you pay for it, and did you buy it from minecraft.net ?
#514 [18:20] <JagerBaseAven> I have been playing A minecraftcrack while waiting for it but i cant go online
#515 [18:20] <JagerBaseAven> paypal
#516 [18:21] <rev-lemon> JagerBaseAven what you mean you cant get online ?
#517 [18:22] <JagerBaseAven> On the site Minecraft.net it says user not preminum hen i do In browser and when i play on client
#518 [18:23] <rev-lemon> how long ago did you buy it ?
#519 [18:23] <JagerBaseAven> t about 5-6 days
#520 [18:23] <rev-lemon> hm
#521 [18:24] <rev-lemon> JagerBaseAven try i belive its minecraft.net/help or /support one of those two
#522 [18:25] <rev-lemon> http://help.mojang.com/
#523 [18:25] <JagerBaseAven> trust me i have tried and noting is helping
#524 [18:25] <JagerBaseAven> ok ill try again
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#527 [18:26] <Balee> What the devil?
#528 [18:27] <Balee> I don't need to be registered anymore? D:
#529 [18:27] <Balee> All that registration for nothing!
#530 [18:27] <Balee> Anyhow.
#531 [18:27] <rev-lemon> ????
#532 [18:27] <GreyVulpine> #minecraft requires registration to talk
#533 [18:27] <GreyVulpine> We, do not
#534 [18:27] <Balee> EsperNet used to ask me to auth.
#535 [18:27] <Balee> Now it does not.
#536 [18:28] <GreyVulpine> Erm, huh?
#537 [18:28] <Balee> And when I authed anyways, it said I wasn't a registered user.
#538 [18:28] <GreyVulpine> *NickServ* balee is not registered.
#539 [18:28] <GreyVulpine> Nicks are unregistred after 30 days of inactivity
#540 [18:28] <Balee> Ah, schucks.
#541 [18:28] <Balee> Well anyways.
#542 [18:28] <GreyVulpine> Prevents squatting on nicks
#543 [18:29] <Balee> A question is what I have.
#544 [18:29] <GreyVulpine> You can always reregister with /ns register
#545 [18:29] <GreyVulpine> Answers, we have.
#546 [18:29] <Balee> I have a modded 1.1.
#547 [18:30] <Balee> If I back that up, use my unmodded 1.1 instead, update that to 1.2.3, can I still fall back to the modded 1.1 jar?
#548 [18:30] <Balee> If need be?
#549 [18:30] <GreyVulpine> Yes, provided you backed up all relevant files.
#550 [18:30] <GreyVulpine> If the mods are just in minecraft.jar, you can just back that file up
#551 [18:31] <Balee> What could be relevant in this case?
#552 [18:31] <Balee> Ah.
#553 [18:31] <Balee> Yes, yes.
#554 [18:31] <GreyVulpine> If mods are located elsewhere, like you were using modloader with the /mods/ folder, then you would have to back that up as well
#555 [18:31] <Balee> Dang it.
#556 [18:31] <Balee> I am using things from that folder.
#557 [18:32] <Balee> With Modloader, yes.
#558 [18:32] <Balee> Then I guess...
#559 [18:33] <GreyVulpine> back up the entire .minecraft folder
#560 [18:33] <GreyVulpine> Only way to be sure
#561 [18:33] <Balee> If I make a folder named backup inside mods, move everything there when I'm using the vanilla 1.2.3 and move them back when I use 1.1, everything should be fine, aye?
#562 [18:34] <GreyVulpine> It really, really depends on what mods you use. I can't issue a generalization like that.
#563 [18:34] <Pepper> Name your current mods folder mods1.1
#564 [18:35] <Balee> ModLoader, AudioLoad, GUIAPI, with Mo' Creatures, CustomMobSpawner and Tale of Kingdoms.
#565 [18:35] <Pepper> Your mods folder for 1.2.3 can just be mods
#566 [18:35] <Balee> If that tells you anything.
#567 [18:35] <Pepper> When you switch, just rename.
#568 [18:38] <Balee> Well...
#569 [18:38] <Balee> I shall try.
#570 [18:38] <Balee> I know it added custom resources.
#571 [18:38] <Balee> But I don't think that'll cause trouble.
#572 [18:39] <Balee> I'm optimistic like that.
#573 [18:46] <carnibird> elevators do not work with ladders
#574 [18:46] <carnibird> i'm about to get nervous
#575 [18:46] <carnibird> i cant do elevators with signs
#576 [18:46] <carnibird> it's too long
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#578 [18:47] <carnibird> fuck it
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#581 [18:48] <carnibird> anybody knows another way to make elevators?
#582 [18:48] <carnibird> signs cant be a solution
#583 [18:48] <GreyVulpine> Pistons
#584 [18:48] <Wug> or just use ladders
#585 [18:48] <carnibird> i think i'll do carts
#586 [18:48] <GreyVulpine> See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqkF6Ax-Pr4
#587 [18:48] <carnibird> ladders are no fun
#588 [18:48] <carnibird> and dangerous
#589 [18:49] <carnibird> very fun!
#590 [18:49] <carnibird> i love it
#591 [18:50] <carnibird> ty for the link!
#592 [18:50] <carnibird> ty for the link!
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#594 [18:50] <carnibird> ty for the link!
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#602 [19:31] <Balee> Do you guys know if land generates above 128 now?
#603 [19:33] <Pepper> It does not
#604 [19:33] <langkid1> D:<
#605 [19:33] <langkid1> bad Jeb
#606 [19:33] <Balee> I guess that's in a future update, then.
#607 [19:34] <Pepper> He doesn't seem too interested in increasing it, either..
#608 [19:34] <Balee> Further?
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#610 [19:35] <Pepper> Interested in increasing above 128
#611 [19:35] <Pepper> Interested in increasing above 128
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#613 [19:35] <Balee> It's 256 now.
#614 [19:35] <Pepper> Terrain generation
#615 [19:37] <Balee> Why do you think he doesn't seem interested?
#616 [19:38] <Pepper> Tweets in reply to people asking about it
#617 [19:38] <Balee> Ah, I don't see those.
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#619 [19:46] <luke_> Ok, so basically my problem is that when I install towny. (the plugin) Everytime i enter the server it gives me a message saying "downloading terrain"
#620 [19:46] <luke_> And simple commands for other plugins come through all laggy.
#621 [19:46] <xales> Try asking in #bukkit
#622 [19:46] <xales> Try asking in #bukkit
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#625 [19:51] <Pepper> ... You have to download the terrain anyway...
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#627 [19:52] <Cory__> lol
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#635 [20:35] <langkid1> minecraft needs unicode character support
#636 [20:36] <xales> It has it
#637 [20:37] <langkid1> really?
#638 [20:38] <xales> From what I understand, yes
#639 [20:38] <langkid1> so I can use like ┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐ and people will see it?
#640 [20:38] <xales> If you can see it, other people will see it
#641 [20:39] <Cory__> I believe you get kicked for not using ascii characters. Not exactly sure though.
#642 [20:39] <Cory__> *using non-ascii
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#656 [22:24] <Suz> I am having a problem setting up the symbolic link so I can access the Dropbox data from any computer. I am following the directions on minecraftwiki and have gotten to the cmd prompt and am cutting and pasting the command for Windows Vista users. The response is "the syntax of the command is incorrect. Creates a symbolic link"
#657 [22:30] <GreyVulpine> What exactly are you putting in?
#658 [22:31] <Suz> mklink /d "%AppData%\.minecraft" "%HomePath%\Dropbox\Minecraft"
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#661 [22:33] <GreyVulpine> That sounds right...
#662 [22:33] <BTA1999> Hi, I'm Just Wondering Why Java 7 Isn't Compatible With My Minecraft. Another Question I Will Ask Later.
#663 [22:34] <Suz> Now when I log into the game my saved worlds are not there.
#664 [22:34] <GreyVulpine> BTA1999 - Because of some functions that java 7 has
#665 [22:35] <GreyVulpine> Suz - Did you move the saves folder to your dropbox?
#666 [22:35] <BTA1999> ok Thanks, And Sometimes When I Try To Log On To A Server It Says Java Has Stopped Working. Any Reasons?
#667 [22:35] <Suz> yes
#668 [22:35] <GreyVulpine> BTA1999 - Java problem. Can't give you any specifics on that.
#669 [22:36] <GreyVulpine> Suz - Go to your start menu, in the search bar, type in: %HomePath%\Dropbox\Minecraft
#670 [22:36] <BTA1999> hmmm ok Well Thanks For Your Help.
#671 [22:36] <GreyVulpine> What do you see there?
#672 [22:36] <Suz> "no items in your search"
#673 [22:36] <GreyVulpine> Press enter
#674 [22:37] <Suz> I did! I think it may be .minecraft?
#675 [22:37] <BTA1999> Anywhere I May Or Can Find The Answer To The Java Problem GreyVulpine?
#676 [22:38] <Suz> I typed that and it took me to the dropbox
#677 [22:38] <GreyVulpine> BTA1999 - Other than trying a uninstall/reinstall of java, I can't say why Java stops responding on your computer.
#678 [22:38] <GreyVulpine> Suz - And what is in your dropbox currently?
#679 [22:38] <BTA1999> ok Thanks For All Your Time And Help.
#680 [22:39] <Suz> Just the getting started PDF and the .minecraft folder
#681 [22:39] <GreyVulpine> The .minecraft folder?
#682 [22:39] <GreyVulpine> Let's look at the command you put in:
#683 [22:39] <GreyVulpine> mklink /d "%AppData%\.minecraft" "%HomePath%\Dropbox\Minecraft"
#684 [22:40] <GreyVulpine> make a symbolic link, pointing the ".minecraft" folder in your %appdata%, to the "Minecraft" folder in your Dropbox
#685 [22:43] <Suz> OK - I created a folder just called "minecraft" in the dropbox. I went and put the command in again and now it says "You do not have sufficient privelege to perform this operation."
#686 [22:44] <GreyVulpine> Are you an admin on your computer?
#687 [22:44] <Suz> yes
#688 [22:44] <Pepper> Elevated cmd, possibly
#689 [22:45] <GreyVulpine> You may need to elevate the privilege of cmd.
#690 [22:45] <Suz> How do I do that?
#691 [22:46] <GreyVulpine> Type in "cmd" in the search bar, hold down ctrl+shift when pressing enter
#692 [22:47] <Suz> ok
#693 [22:47] <Suz> "Cannot create a file when that file already exists"
#694 [22:48] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, you'll need to delete the existing symbolic link
#695 [22:49] <Suz> Which folder? Sorry I am so confused right now.
#696 [22:51] <GreyVulpine> Bleh, forget it. Make sure the contents of the .minecraft folder are in your dropbox's "Minecraft" folder
#697 [22:51] <GreyVulpine> Launch minecraft. If all goes right, you should see your saves
#698 [22:52] <Suz> No, not there.
#699 [22:56] <GreyVulpine> Could you do a fsutil.exe hardlink list "%AppData%\.minecraft"
#700 [22:56] <GreyVulpine> That should list all the hardlinks that are associated with .minecraft on your computer
#701 [22:58] <Suz> is that from the run box?
#702 [22:58] <GreyVulpine> From cmd
#703 [23:01] <Suz> I should be putting it in from the prompt as fsutil.exe hardlink list "%AppData%\.minecraft" ?
#704 [23:02] <GreyVulpine> Yes
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#706 [23:03] <Suz> list is an invalid parameter
#707 [23:04] <GreyVulpine> That's.. not right
#708 [23:07] <GreyVulpine> Bleh, of course. It's not a parameter in vista, but is in 7/server 2008.
#709 [23:07] <Suz> I hate Vista
#710 [23:07] <Suz> =)
#711 [23:07] <GreyVulpine> I don't know how to list hardpoints in vista.
#712 [23:07] <GreyVulpine> er, hardlinks.
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#714 [23:09] <Suz> Okay, I got it to show back up in this computer. I deleted everything in the .minecraft folder and replaced it with everything in the dropbox minecraft folder.
#715 [23:09] <Suz> I am afraid to try to put it on another computer! LOL!
#716 [23:10] <Suz> Thank you so much for your help. At least the worlds are back on this one and my child won't kill me. =D
#717 [23:11] <GreyVulpine> Sorry, heh.
#718 [23:11] <Suz> Thank you and goodnight.
#719 [23:11] <Suz> Thank you and goodnight.
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