#MinecraftHelp > 2012-04-23
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#50 [08:39] <Angelo> stopped playing minecraft for some time and now i wanted to play it again but it says i dont have a premium account
#51 [08:40] <DiskDaemon> Have you taken a look at the help section?
#52 [08:42] <DiskDaemon> as in, help.mojang.com
#53 [08:42] <Angelo> ty
#54 [08:43] <DiskDaemon> Also, from www.minecraft.net the HELP link in the top menu
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#59 [09:48] <stevesniper> Hello. I have problem with Minecraft on my nvidia 8500gt... after few moments of playing, screen starts to blink, and then openGL crashes, with "too many errors" or "error 12... I downloaded newest drivers, it haven't helped."
#60 [09:50] <GreyVulpine> Completely wipe and reinstall the drivers fresh?
#61 [09:53] <stevesniper> done this...
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#64 [10:05] <GreyVulpine> stevesniper - Got an error report you can share with us via pastebin.com?
#65 [10:05] <stevesniper> yes
#66 [10:05] <stevesniper> moment please
#67 [10:08] <stevesniper> http://pastebin.com/xHDci6s0
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#69 [10:11] <paulens12> reinstall java xD
#70 [10:14] <stevesniper> xD or seriously?
#71 [10:15] <DiskDaemon> 0xc00000005 I commonly see as a hardware problem
#72 [10:16] <stevesniper> damn... it means drivers or the hardware itself?
#73 [10:16] <DiskDaemon> "siginfo: ExceptionCode=0xc0000005, reading address 0x4c17ecf0
#74 [10:16] <DiskDaemon> Either way it's pretty fundamental
#75 [10:17] <Dylan> mod?
#76 [10:17] <DiskDaemon> Run a memory test on your main memory, as well as a test of your gpu memory
#77 [10:18] <DiskDaemon> siginfo: ExceptionCode=0xc0000005, reading address 0x4c17ecf0
#78 [10:18] <DiskDaemon> http://www.memtest.org/ and http://folding.stanford.edu/English/DownloadUtils
#79 [10:19] <stevesniper> thank you very much
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#101 [12:36] <the_g_man254> hi guys
#102 [12:36] <the_g_man254> never join the server #minecraft because they never talk about the game just pointless nothing
#103 [12:37] <Eddie> Ok?
#104 [12:37] <the_g_man254> no its the truth
#105 [12:37] <Eddie> Everyone knows #minecraft isn't about Minecraft.
#106 [12:37] <the_g_man254> pretty much
#107 [12:37] <the_g_man254> so why name it minecraft then
#108 [12:37] <the_g_man254> hmmmm
#109 [12:37] <Eddie> it's for the community to gather and talk about stuff
#110 [12:37] <the_g_man254> it should be chat
#111 [12:37] <the_g_man254> the end
#112 [12:37] <the_g_man254> O_o
#113 [12:38] <Eddie> #chat is too generic
#114 [12:38] <the_g_man254> then give it a different name because people who want to talk about the game will join and leave when they find out its pointless
#115 [12:39] <the_g_man254> just chatting
#116 [12:39] <the_g_man254> i know alot of people are there
#117 [12:39] <the_g_man254> that doesnt mean they use it
#118 [12:39] <Morrolan> You can chat about Minecraft in #minecraft if you want, but don't expect everyone to talk about Mineraft 24/7 in there.
#119 [12:39] <Zimsky> #minecraft is a server?
#120 [12:39] <Zimsky> omg
#121 [12:39] <Zimsky> I didn't know. :/
#122 [12:39] * Morrolan thwamps Zimsky
#122 [12:39] <the_g_man254> u shut up
#123 [12:39] <Morrolan> Stop making fun of that poor guy. :P
#124 [12:39] <the_g_man254> i dont give fuck server
#125 [12:39] * AuBot kicked the_g_man254 from #minecrafthelp (Reason: he_g_man254 :Please keep it civil.)
#126 [12:39] <Morrolan> the_g_man254 - You, on the other hand, keep it nice.
#127 [12:40] <Morrolan> Oh well.
#128 [12:40] * Morrolan pats AuBot
#128 [12:40] <Zimsky> AuBot kicks for vulgarity?
#129 [12:41] <Morrolan> He kicks for fu*k and for forkbombs I believe.
#130 [12:42] <Morrolan> :(){ :|:& };:
#131 [12:42] <Morrolan> Hmm, guess I was wrong.
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#133 [12:42] <Morrolan> Yea, for the record, don't enter it in your terminal. :P
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#135 [12:43] <the_g_man254> aubot im sorry if some1 was annoying me
#136 [12:43] <the_g_man254> also sorry for the bad language
#137 [12:43] <Morrolan> I'm sure he won't be angry at you, considering that he's a bot. :)
#138 [12:43] <Morrolan> (AuBot I mean)
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#141 [12:44] <Mustwillza> Excuse me, How can i buy Minecraft with paypal?
#142 [12:46] <Wug> Mustwillza: unfortunately you cannot
#143 [12:46] <the_g_man254> ok
#144 [12:46] <Wug> the_g_man254: I reiterate
#145 [12:46] <Wug> cool your jets
#146 [12:47] <the_g_man254> im not mad
#147 [12:47] <Wug> I didnt say you were
#148 [12:47] <Wug> I said your jets are hot
#149 [12:47] <the_g_man254> ..........................
#150 [12:47] <Wug> ^ stop doing things like this
#151 [12:47] <Morrolan> Wug - Last I checked you could buy accounts, but not giftcodes via PayPal?
#152 [12:47] <Wug> Morrolan: check again? last I checked the paypal option had been removed
#153 [12:47] <Wug> I think theres a post on the mojang blog about why
#154 [12:48] <GreyVulpine> I think Morrolan's right
#155 [12:48] <GreyVulpine> You can purchase an account with Paypal, just not gift codes
#156 [12:48] <Wug> huh. well thats nonsensical
#157 [12:48] <GreyVulpine> Gift codes can be resold enmasse. Accounts can't (easily)
#158 [12:49] <Wug> mm I spose
#159 [12:49] <Wug> yeah I guess that makes sense
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#174 [14:12] <stevesniper> DiskDaemon: I did all the test, and got 0 errors...
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#182 [14:26] <SetH> are they differences between the mobspawning behaviors between SP and SMP ?
#183 [14:26] <GreyVulpine> Not really, no.
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#185 [14:26] <Calinou> theorically there are, due to mojang's incapacity to code properly.
#186 [14:26] <Calinou> (this applies to everything in minecraft :P)
#187 [14:27] <Calinou> but they aren't noticeable
#188 [14:27] <SetH> because i builded a mobspawner that is working in SP but not in SMP T.T
#189 [14:27] <Calinou> SetH, how?
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#192 [14:29] <SetH> in SMP there note spawning inside when I'm at the same position as i'm in SP
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#194 [14:30] <SetH> just when i get a bigger distance that is much more than it is in SP
#195 [14:31] <Calinou> sometimes the server doesn't consider you "in" the spawning zone, known bug
#196 [14:31] <Calinou> :/
#197 [14:31] <SetH> even if I get far away and then back close ?
#198 [14:32] <Calinou> just be less than 16 blocks away
#199 [14:32] <SetH> is it in 1.2.5 not 24 blocks ?
#200 [14:33] <Calinou> 16 block-radius *sphere* around the mob spawner.
#201 [14:33] <Calinou> "activation" area
#202 [14:33] <Calinou> mobs spawn around in a 8x3x9 square centered on some edge of the spawner. south-east I think
#203 [14:34] <Calinou> the spawner activation radius has never changed since infdev
#204 [14:34] <SetH> no there is no mobspawner sorry when i didnt explain that clearly
#205 [14:34] <SetH> there is just a dark room with a water trap
#206 [14:34] <SetH> where all kinds of mobs can spawn
#207 [14:36] <Calinou> see this: http://minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Spawn
#208 [14:36] <Calinou> mobs cannot spawn in a 24 block diameter sphere around the player, and around the spawn point.
#209 [14:37] <Calinou> they require light level 7 or less to spawn naturally. they also require solid, opaque blocks to spawn on.
#210 [14:37] <Calinou> mobs do not spawn above altitude 128
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#212 [14:40] <SetH> thats all given the spawn plate is made out of stone ist 27 above me and has no light in it
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#215 [14:41] <SetH> and all tunnels around are lightet up
#216 [14:41] <SetH> and all tunnels around are lightet up
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#218 [14:42] <Wug> Calinou: I believe the area is 8x8x3
#219 [14:42] <Wug> (3 being depth)
#220 [14:42] <Calinou> yes
#221 [14:42] <Calinou> for spawners
#222 [14:42] <Calinou> SetH, multiplayer spawning is different, a lot.
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#224 [14:43] <Calinou> reduced view distances (on the server, you cannot do anything, tell the admins) cause mob spawns to be reduced by a lot
#225 [14:43] <Calinou> ^ bug
#226 [14:44] <SetH> okay ... thats kind of sad ^^ but i guess that is the way it is ^^
#227 [14:44] <SetH> digging 50x50 to the badrock 4 nothing xD
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#229 [14:48] <SetH> thx for the help
#230 [14:48] <SetH> thx for the help
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#232 [14:49] <Calinou> np, the hate SetH
#233 [14:49] <Calinou> late*
#234 [14:50] <Calinou> (TF2 reference all the way)
#235 [14:58] <DopeGhoti> http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/sokc4/look_who_came_to_work_today/
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#239 [15:19] <Calinou> DopeGhoti, without reading, jeb? :P
#240 [15:19] <Calinou> "hey any ideas to make enchanting even more dumb"
#241 [15:20] <ShaRose> Calinou oh oh I know one: make enchantments deteriorate over time.
#242 [15:20] <Calinou> lol no
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#244 [15:20] <ShaRose> or make them absorb experience when used!
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#248 [15:31] <roymz> e
#249 [15:31] <roymz> ee
#250 [15:31] <roymz> e
#251 [15:31] <roymz> e
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#256 [15:35] <the_g_man254> is voxelhead a bot
#257 [15:35] <peru> yep
#258 [15:36] <the_g_man254> who here has completed minecraft
#259 [15:37] <sugoi> the_g_man254: by which you mean killed a dragon in The End?
#260 [15:37] <the_g_man254> yeah
#261 [15:37] <the_g_man254> that end
#262 [15:37] <the_g_man254> i have
#263 [15:37] <the_g_man254> for one
#264 [15:37] <Boreeas> I did, by hacking.
#265 [15:37] <the_g_man254> same
#266 [15:37] <the_g_man254> i hacked too
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#271 [16:04] <rhodenizer4> hi
#272 [16:04] <rhodenizer4> ?
#273 [16:06] <Boreeas> bye
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#275 [16:09] <DJSyther> My minecraft crashed: http://pastebin.com/Xu9r75NG
#276 [16:10] <Calinou> "Java: 1.7.0_04-ea, Oracle Corporation"
#277 [16:10] <Calinou> why do you use java 7?
#278 [16:10] <DJSyther> I like to stay updated.
#279 [16:10] <Calinou> updated?
#280 [16:10] <Calinou> java 7 is experimental
#281 [16:10] <Calinou> it is not finished
#282 [16:10] <DJSyther> Its worked before.
#283 [16:10] <Calinou> try downgrading to java 6. it might work
#284 [16:11] <DJSyther> Alright
#285 [16:11] <GreyVulpine> Java 7 and Minecraft have been known to cause problems.
#286 [16:23] <Wug> blugh
#287 [16:24] <Boreeas> hgulb
#288 [16:24] <Wug> 7 for the most part works fine
#289 [16:24] <Calinou> lol
#290 [16:24] <Calinou> was about to say this Boreeas
#291 [16:24] <Calinou> :(
#292 [16:24] <Boreeas> :D
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#294 [16:24] <Wug> I bet updating lwjgl would have fixed it
#295 [16:24] <Calinou> +1
#296 [16:24] <Calinou> too hard for 98% of people
#297 [16:26] <sugoi> we need a celebrity death match (mtv, old school) between wug and GreyVulpine
#298 [16:26] <Wug> no we dont
#299 [16:28] <Boreeas> A duel then
#300 [16:29] <Boreeas> Cloak-and-sword style
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#302 [16:41] <Wug> the grey one is older
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#337 [19:39] <Chir> Can you help people with Bukkit or only vanilla Minecraft?
#338 [19:40] <GreyVulpine> Bukkit help usually goes to #bukkit
#339 [19:40] <Chir> I tried goig there and no one there gave me much help
#340 [19:40] <Chir> going*
#341 [19:41] <DiskDaemon> and how do you expect people here less familiar with bukkit to be able to help any better?
#342 [19:42] <Chir> I have no idea, im new to this, sorry
#343 [19:42] <Chir> its not that they didnt help much, its that no one there was really answering me
#344 [19:42] <CoryB> Chir- What plugin are you trying to find the permission nodes of? I'm sure the nodes are easy to find.
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#346 [19:42] <Chir> Wait, how do you know what I was going to ask?
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#348 [19:43] <CoryB> I'm in #bukkit
#349 [19:43] <Chir> Ahh
#350 [19:43] <Chir> Im trying to find the nodes for Essentials
#351 [19:43] <CoryB> I said you should look through the plugins' docs...
#352 [19:43] <Chir> the docs?
#353 [19:43] <CoryB> http://wiki.ess3.net/wiki/Command_Reference/Perm
#354 [19:43] <GreyVulpine> See http://wiki.ess3.net/wiki/Command_Reference
#355 [19:43] <CoryB> :P
#356 [19:44] <Chir> Thanks
#357 [19:44] <CoryB> My link gives the actual nodes
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#372 [20:46] <Mr_Ignorant> Hello
#373 [20:53] <Mr_Ignorant> How much memory do I need to add per player in a server?
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#386 [22:08] <frogaincia> how do you join an online server
#387 [22:09] <AmberK> Depends
#388 [22:09] <AmberK> where exactly are you having trouble...?
#389 [22:10] <frogaincia> i dont know how to add a server do u know any
#390 [22:11] <frogaincia> how do you add a server
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#392 [22:13] <AmberK> Do you have a particular one in mind?
#393 [22:14] <AmberK> ....nevermind
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#404 [23:32] <madgreenb> my minecraft crashes on startup. idk why please help
#405 [23:33] <Wug> madgreenb: try force updating
#406 [23:33] <Wug> :fu
#407 [23:33] <WugBot> fu: You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#408 [23:33] <WugBot> fu: To do so, start Minecraft, press 'Options' (above the 'Login' button), Press 'Force update!', then press 'Done', and login to Minecraft.
#409 [23:33] <madgreenb> i just installed it
#410 [23:33] <madgreenb> fresh
#411 [23:34] <madgreenb> i did force update like you said..... black screen then crash
#412 [23:35] <madgreenb> http://pastebin.com/uhmKk3fd this is the error message
#413 [23:36] <Wug> looks like a graphics card issue
#414 [23:36] <madgreenb> hmmm
#415 [23:36] <Wug> more probably drivers
#416 [23:36] <madgreenb> i installed al the proprietary drivers
#417 [23:36] <Wug> cant tell what distro youre on
#418 [23:36] <DiskDaemon> "Could not init GLX" - something that I am not aufait with in terms of Linux though
#419 [23:36] <Wug> try updating lwjgl
#420 [23:36] <Wug> :lwjgl
#421 [23:36] <madgreenb> im running mint 12
#422 [23:36] <madgreenb> how do i do that?
#423 [23:37] <Wug> http://sourceforge.net/projects/java-game-lib/files/Official%20Releases/LWJGL%202.8.3/
#424 [23:37] <Wug> grab the zip from there
#425 [23:37] <Wug> inside it you will find jars and natives for a variety of systems
#426 [23:37] <Wug> replace the files from ~/.minecraft/bin with the ones in the zip
#427 [23:38] <madgreenb> all of the ones in the zip? or just the ones that are alo in .minecraft/bin?
#428 [23:39] <madgreenb> ?
#429 [23:39] <Wug> ;+ lwjgl To update lwjgl, first download the most recent version (2.8.3), then open your minecraft folder and replace the lwjgl jar files (lwjgl.jar, lwjgl-util.jar, and jinput.jar) as well as the native libraries in bin/native.;;Download lwjgl from here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/java-game-lib/files/Official%20Releases/LWJGL%202.8.3/
#430 [23:39] <Wug> madgreenb: yes, just the ones that are already there
#431 [23:40] <madgreenb> k
#432 [23:42] <madgreenb> just black screen
#433 [23:42] <madgreenb> nothing els
#434 [23:43] <Wug> any error messages
#435 [23:43] <Wug> if its the same it might be a driver issue
#436 [23:44] <madgreenb> do you know how to check if i installed all the proprietary drivers correctly? im kind of new to linux
#437 [23:44] <Wug> like, one that cant be resolved :S
#438 [23:44] <madgreenb> no
#439 [23:44] <madgreenb> just black screen
#440 [23:44] <Wug> can you run it from a terminal
#441 [23:44] <madgreenb> minecraft?
#442 [23:44] <Wug> that may reveal error messages
#443 [23:44] <Wug> yes
#444 [23:44] <madgreenb> how?
#445 [23:45] <Wug> open a terminal, navigate to the location of the launcher
#446 [23:45] <Wug> you know how to use cd to navigate?
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#448 [23:45] <madgreenb> cant i just right click in the folder, and press open in terminal?
#449 [23:45] <madgreenb> seems easier :P
#450 [23:45] <Wug> you could try
#451 [23:46] <madgreenb> i did
#452 [23:46] <Wug> it may or may not work
#453 [23:46] <madgreenb> seems to work
#454 [23:46] <Wug> output at all?
#455 [23:46] <Wug> ^any
#456 [23:46] <madgreenb> ?
#457 [23:46] <Wug> has it printed anything
#458 [23:46] <madgreenb> oh
#459 [23:47] <madgreenb> how do i launch minecraft from the terminal?
#460 [23:47] <Wug> does opening in terminal not work
#461 [23:47] <madgreenb> its opened in the folder where the launcher is
#462 [23:47] <Wug> aahhh ok
#463 [23:48] <Wug> use java -cp minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame
#464 [23:49] <madgreenb> it printed some stuff
#465 [23:49] <madgreenb> then stopped after black screen
#466 [23:49] <Wug> just stopped, nothing at all?
#467 [23:49] <Wug> nothing that looks like an error?
#468 [23:49] <madgreenb> it did print some stuff
#469 [23:49] <madgreenb> but it stopped yes
#470 [23:50] <Wug> can you pastebin what it printed
#471 [23:50] <madgreenb> kk
#472 [23:50] <madgreenb> http://pastebin.com/2eiSuFUu
#473 [23:51] <Wug> looks like you missed one of the native libraries
#474 [23:51] <Wug> make sure you installed them all
#475 [23:51] <madgreenb> really?
#476 [23:51] <madgreenb> oh
#477 [23:51] <Wug> there should have been an exact substitute for each file already there
#478 [23:52] <madgreenb> i see what i missed
#479 [23:53] <madgreenb> nah same black screen
#480 [23:53] <Wug> same error?
#481 [23:53] <madgreenb> ya
#482 [23:53] <madgreenb> well
#483 [23:53] <madgreenb> in the terminal yes
#484 [23:53] <madgreenb> in the game jus black
#485 [23:54] <Wug> make sure you replaced all 3 of the lwjgl jars
#486 [23:54] <Wug> one of them is still wrong
#487 [23:54] <madgreenb> damn
#488 [23:55] <Wug> jinput.jar, lwjgl.jar, lwjgl_util.jar, as well as each of the .so files in natives/
#489 [23:55] <madgreenb> yes
#490 [23:56] <madgreenb> wait was i supposed to replace the jars in /bin too?
#491 [23:57] <Wug> yes
#492 [23:57] <Wug> :S
#493 [23:57] <madgreenb> hmm
#494 [23:58] <madgreenb> im replacing the files again
#495 [23:58] <madgreenb> to be sure