#MinecraftHelp > 2013-09-13
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#2 [00:00] <CrusaderDeleters> minecraftfan: Alright, download the .bat file from this link, and run it: http://mcfaq.hfbgaming.com/tools/CreateDxdiag.bat
#3 [00:00] <CrusaderDeleters> minecraftfan: Alright, download the .bat file from this link, and run it: http://mcfaq.hfbgaming.com/tools/CreateDxdiag.bat
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#6 [00:01] <CrusaderDeleters> LinuxGold: It's nice. I only have a problem with the voice, but can't really complain. I don't expect deaf people to know how to speak properly if they can't hear themselves speak.
#7 [00:01] <LinuxGold> brb -- geting some munchies
#8 [00:01] <CrusaderDeleters> Kk
#9 [00:01] <CrusaderDeleters> YOU'RE ON WEED?
#10 [00:01] <LinuxGold> lol no.
#11 [00:01] <CrusaderDeleters> Oh
#12 [00:02] <minecraftfan> ok now wat?
#13 [00:03] <CrusaderDeleters> minecraftfan: Did it come up with a black box with green text?
#14 [00:03] <minecraftfan> umm nope
#15 [00:03] <CrusaderDeleters> Then run the program you downloaded. :)
#16 [00:03] <minecraftfan> wait actually it did
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#18 [00:03] <minecraftfan> it popped up
#19 [00:03] <CrusaderDeleters> Alright.
#20 [00:04] <CrusaderDeleters> When it says "press any button to continue...", press any button, and a notepad of a bunch of text will come up.
#21 [00:04] <minecraftfan> ok
#22 [00:04] <CrusaderDeleters> When that notepad comes up, select all of the text, copy it, and paste it into http://gist.github.com/
#23 [00:06] <LinuxGold> nice batch script
#24 [00:06] <CrusaderDeleters> I didn't make it. :D
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#26 [00:07] <CrimsonDominator> Internal exception: java.net.SocketTimeoutException: Read timed out
#27 [00:08] <CrimsonDominator> i got this problem
#28 [00:08] <CrimsonDominator> how solve ??
#29 [00:08] <CrimsonDominator> when i enter the sever and play for a while this comes out
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#32 [00:14] <LinuxGold> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQhOeunwaxQ
#33 [00:14] <VoxelHead> "500 Chunks (A Minecraft Parody of 500 Miles)" ( by elementanimation )
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#36 [00:19] <adame512> i keep getting this bootstrap.java error
#37 [00:19] <adame512> how do i fix it
#38 [00:19] <cestislife> ??> adame512 devconsole
#39 [00:19] <VoxelHead> adame512: We need to see what is in your Development Console, which can be found on the second tab of the launcher.
#40 [00:19] <VoxelHead> adame512: First, copy all of the text. Then, go to https://gist.github.com/ and paste it. Click Create Secret Gist. Then share with us the link that it takes you to.
#41 [00:19] <cestislife> Or at least all of the text that it's outputing.
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#44 [00:21] <adame512> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/31105ff9273d4d64574a
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#47 [00:26] <adame512> Now what?
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#52 [00:32] <amory> jhfeu
#53 [00:32] <amory> help
#54 [00:33] <amory> my minecaft is not wereking
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#58 [00:41] <blakefebruary> Does anyone else have issues connecting to #minecraftforge? I have my account registered and identified but it just says I can't send messages to it.
#59 [00:42] <adame512> VoxelHead anything yet
#60 [00:42] <GreyVulpine> Reason is that you're using mibbit. Use a different IRC client blakefebruary.
#61 [00:42] <GreyVulpine> blakefebruary - Seems #minecraftforge is +q all mibbit and webchat users
#62 [00:42] <blakefebruary> Can you suggest one for me? I don't know shit about IRC.
#63 [00:42] <GreyVulpine> What operating system are you on?
#64 [00:42] <clarjon1> blakefebruary: Xchat, Hexchat, mIRC, kvirc, irssi, just to name a few :3
#65 [00:43] <blakefebruary> Windows 8. Although I use Ubuntu linux a lot too, so a suggestion for that would be cool too.
#66 [00:43] <GreyVulpine> All of clarjon1's suggestions
#67 [00:43] <blakefebruary> Wait, doesn't pidgin have IRC?
#68 [00:43] <clarjon1> blakefebruary: xchat for linux is pretty standard.
#69 [00:43] <LinuxGold> EPIC5
#70 [00:43] <LinuxGold> :P
#71 [00:43] <clarjon1> blakefebruary: Oh. You don't wanna use pidgin.
#72 [00:43] <clarjon1> blakefebruary: it's -really- not meant for irc usage
#73 [00:43] <blakefebruary> Okay, I'll take a look at those suggestions.
#74 [00:44] <clarjon1> blakefebruary: Using Pidgin for IRC is like using a little car to pull a heavy trailer. You technically -can- do it, but it's not the best choice. :)
#75 [00:44] <blakefebruary> Which one of those would be the most simplistic? I swear to god if I get something bloated like frostwire or skype I'll cry.
#76 [00:44] <clarjon1> blakefebruary: http://hexchat.github.io/
#77 [00:45] <clarjon1> blakefebruary: and on ubuntu, apt-get install xchat
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#79 [00:45] <blakefebruary> Okay, thanks. I'm installing HexChat now
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#82 [00:46] <adame512> my minecraft launcher keeps getting this bootstrap error
#83 [00:48] <adame512> can someone help
#84 [00:48] <clarjon1> adame512: what bootstrap error
#85 [00:48] <blakefebruary> What's the error?
#86 [00:48] <clarjon1> adame512: Please note that we can't see your computer, so you need to give us all the details.
#87 [00:49] <LinuxGold> adame512: re-paste what you pasted here earlier
#88 [00:49] <LinuxGold> the link to error
#89 [00:49] <blakefebruary> However, if you ever feel the need for somebody to see your computer, teamviewer is best solution.
#90 [00:49] <adame512> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/31105ff9273d4d64574a
#91 [00:50] <blakefebruary> It says to check your Java install. Have you been able to play MC on this computer before?
#92 [00:51] <adame512> yes
#93 [00:51] <clarjon1> adame512: reinstall jav
#94 [00:51] <clarjon1> *java
#95 [00:51] <blakefebruary> With the new launcher as well?
#96 [00:51] <clarjon1> it looks like the java installation is corrupted
#97 [00:51] <blakefebruary> I was thinking that too
#98 [00:51] <clarjon1> Or else your computer's date and time are severely out of whack
#99 [00:52] <clarjon1> actually, check that first
#100 [00:52] <clarjon1> adame512: Hover over the clock on the taskbar. What does it say the date is?
#101 [00:52] <blakefebruary> http://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp download and install the 32 bit offline windows version, at the very top.
#102 [00:55] <blakefebruary> Also, about my IRC issue, when I try to connect to EsperNet it says this: Connection failed (self signed certificate.? (18))
#103 [00:56] <blakefebruary> Oh, I'm using HexChat
#104 [00:56] <clarjon1> blakefebruary: In the server settings, tick the box that says "Accept Invalid Certificate"
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#106 [00:58] <adame512> It worked
#107 [00:58] <adame512> thank you very much
#108 [00:58] <blakefebruary> What worked, the java reinstall?
#109 [00:59] <adame512> yes
#110 [00:59] <blakefebruary> Ah, good. That solves pretty much all problems I've ever had with minecraft outside of mods.
#111 [01:00] <adame512> thank you
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#113 [01:00] <blakefebruary> Well I looked through all the settings
#114 [01:00] <blakefebruary> I can't seem to find anything related to server settings.
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#116 [01:01] <clarjon1> blakefebruary: Press Ctrl-s in the program with the settings closed
#117 [01:01] <clarjon1> blakefebruary: Then select the espernet entry ( if you made one )
#118 [01:01] <clarjon1> then click edit
#119 [01:01] <blakefebruary> OH THOSE SETTINGS
#120 [01:01] <blakefebruary> I was at the chat windows
#121 [01:01] <blakefebruary> Thanks
#122 [01:02] <clarjon1> np
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#134 [01:15] <gibby> cant buy minecraft. why?
#135 [01:16] <GreyVulpine> Because it's not letting you for some reason?
#136 [01:18] <gibby> i reieved the code on my phone
#137 [01:18] <gibby> enetered it and now its been loading for almost an hour now
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#139 [01:18] <gibby> that purple circle
#140 [01:18] <GreyVulpine> Which version of minecraft are you trying to purchase? What exactly does it say?
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#142 [01:20] <gibby> it doesnt say anything just the purple circle is spinning i bought the one for pc and mac
#143 [01:20] <GreyVulpine> What purple circle are you talking about?
#144 [01:21] <gibby> ok, so i went to minecraft.net
#145 [01:21] <gibby> logged in and proceeded to purchase minecraft,
#146 [01:21] <gibby> everything was good entered my personal info and debit carrd info
#147 [01:22] <gibby> then it asked me to enter my cell phone number and then it sent me a code
#148 [01:22] <GreyVulpine> That's between you and your bank. The code is further authentication that your bank requires you to do.
#149 [01:22] <gibby> i entered the code it sent to my phone as prompted, and now this purple circle is spinng on my damn screen fr an hour now
#150 [01:22] <gibby> so what do i do now just wait?
#151 [01:23] <GreyVulpine> In another window, log into your Mojang.com account at: https://account.mojang.com/login
#152 [01:23] <GreyVulpine> Check to see if Minecraft is listed under "My Games".
#153 [01:23] <gibby> no only the pocket edition is
#154 [01:24] <GreyVulpine> If it is, create your minecraft username and download the launcher. If it isn't, you'll need to deal with your bank and call their customer support number, ask why the transaction failed.
#155 [01:24] <gibby> well it has not prompted the transaction has failed though?
#156 [01:25] <GreyVulpine> It normally doesn't take an hour for the transaction to complete.
#157 [01:25] <gibby> could me not veryifing my email be a problem?
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#159 [01:26] <GreyVulpine> You could not have purchased minecraft without first verifying your email address
#160 [01:27] <gibby> well i just veryifid my email right now , i created n account but did not verify the email on it
#161 [01:27] <gibby> until right now
#162 [01:28] <GreyVulpine> Which account did you purchase minecraft under? The one you just created, or the account you had minecraft PE on?
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#165 [01:33] <gibby> the account i had minecraft pe on
#166 [01:33] <gibby> dude i just gave up on it
#167 [01:33] <gibby> if it is not under my games that means i did not purchase it?
#168 [01:35] <GreyVulpine> Right
#169 [01:36] <gibby> ok so my bank should be good
#170 [01:36] <GreyVulpine> Only way to know for sure, is to call your bank.
#171 [01:36] <gibby> dont they sell minecraft cards at like gamestop i can purchase and this situation be much easier?
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#173 [01:38] <GreyVulpine> Yes they do
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#175 [01:38] <GreyVulpine> http://www.minecraft.net/prepaid
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#177 [01:39] <gibby> ok cool, thanks for your time and help
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#196 [02:25] <codenemisis> Hello?
#197 [02:26] <codenemisis> My launcher skips the main interface; I just deleted my old client since I have not played in months, along with the old appdata folder. Does anyone know what is wrong?
#198 [02:26] <codenemisis> I just go straight to the log in screen.
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#200 [02:28] <codenemisis> Hello?
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#204 [02:50] <zox11> hi i reasently bout a new computer but every time i load up minecraft it says bad card drivers so i did some steps and created a https://gist.github.com/anonymous/397eb2b3389fdf306a02
#205 [02:50] <zox11> please help
#206 [02:52] <zox11> also i have updated them multipull times
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#208 [02:53] <Curseschris> Help me
#209 [02:53] <Curseschris> Bad video card drive
#210 [02:53] <Curseschris> but i installed driver
#211 [02:53] <zox11> yep same
#212 [02:53] <zox11> did you create a gist
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#214 [02:54] <Curseschris> МАмку вашу ...
#215 [02:55] <zox11> hi i reasently bout a new computer but every time i load up minecraft it says bad card drivers so i did some steps and created a https://gist.github.com/anonymous/397eb2b3389fdf306a02 please help
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#218 [03:00] <GreyVulpine> zox11 - Unfortunately, that computer is far from new, and the video chipset in it does not support OpenGL, which is a requirement for Minecraft
#219 [03:00] <GreyVulpine> zox11 - You're better off finding a newer computer to run minecraft on
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#227 [03:34] <Ironix_CZ> Hi, I have a problem. When I play offline lag. Acer Aspire Z5710 CPU: Intel Core i5 760 2.8 GHz, RAM 4GB, nVIDIA GeForce 240M 1GB, Win 7 64bit, Java 7 update 25 (64bit)
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#231 [03:36] <Ironix_CZ> can anyone advise me what to do?
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#233 [03:41] <Calinou> Ironix_CZ: reduce graphic settings
#234 [03:43] <Ironix_CZ> is at a minimum
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#236 [03:46] <Calinou> disable aero (use a "Windows Basic" theme)
#237 [03:46] <Calinou> also make sure the laptop isn't too hot
#238 [03:51] <Wug> Ironix_CZ: "lag" is a useless descriptor
#239 [03:51] <Wug> what, precisely, does it do
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#241 [03:54] <Ironix_CZ> I can not English, translate it in Google. In the beginning, all right then begins lags 2-10s
#242 [03:54] <Wug> how long does it run properly before it slows down
#243 [03:54] <TFrag> Sounds like a Ram problem to me.
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#245 [03:56] <codenemisis> Hello?
#246 [03:56] <Wug> ??> codenemisis ask
#247 [03:56] <VoxelHead> codenemisis: Please don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help with, and be as specific as possible.
#248 [03:56] <VoxelHead> codenemisis: If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#249 [03:56] <Ironix_CZ> about 2-5 minutes
#250 [03:56] <codenemisis> Uh, I was making sure anyone was even here. I logged in 2 hours ago and found nothig.
#251 [03:56] <codenemisis> I have posted a thread about the problems, would it be okay to link it?
#252 [03:57] <Wug> codenemisis: you stayed for about 3 minutes
#253 [03:57] <Wug> (keep in mind that it was 2 in the morning where most helpers live)
#254 [03:57] <codenemisis> Closer to 30, I'd wager, but I am not here to argue.
#255 [03:57] <codenemisis> I know.
#256 [03:57] <Wug> I can see your messages
#257 [03:58] <Wug> your first message was at 2:25, and your last was at 2:28
#258 [03:58] <codenemisis> At any rate, after downloading the new client, it skips the interface screen, and sends me to the log-in. After attempting to log in, it says that I am unable to reach the servers.
#259 [03:58] <Wug> did you just buy minecraft
#260 [03:58] <Wug> (has it ever worked on that computer before)
#261 [03:58] <codenemisis> No, I bought it several years ago.
#262 [03:58] <codenemisis> Yes.
#263 [03:59] <Wug> has the new launcher ever worked
#264 [03:59] <Wug> or just the old one.
#265 [03:59] <codenemisis> The old client did. I cleaned out the appdata folder and all that before installing it, and no, just the old one. I downloaded it today.
#266 [03:59] <codenemisis> the new one, that is.
#267 [04:00] <Ironix_CZ> how to write one user in the chat here?
#268 [04:00] <Wug> Ironix_CZ: please send messages to the channel
#269 [04:01] <Wug> codenemisis: can you ping login.minecraft.net and tell me what ip address you get
#270 [04:02] <codenemisis> Through the command prompt, I assume?
#271 [04:02] <Wug> yep.
#272 [04:02] <codenemisis> The request has timed out.
#273 [04:02] <Wug> yeah, but what address did it resolve to
#274 [04:03] <Wug> it doesn't respond to pings
#275 [04:03] <codenemisis> I don't understand.
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#278 [04:04] <codenemisis> Am I supposed to respond to that, or is that an admin command?
#279 [04:04] <Wug> you should see "Pinging login.minecraft.net [?.?.?.?] with 32 bytes of data:"
#280 [04:04] <Wug> what are the ?s
#281 [04:04] <codenemisis> 54.235.242.234
#282 [04:05] <Wug> try running ipconfig /flushdns
#283 [04:05] <Wug> looks like you have an old ip cached
#284 [04:05] <codenemisis> successfully flushed, just try again?
#285 [04:05] <Wug> yep
#286 [04:05] <Wug> if it's still the same, your isp's dns server is caching it and it will probably fix itself sometime in the next day or so
#287 [04:06] <codenemisis> Request timed out, but this time at 107.22.237.16
#288 [04:06] <codenemisis> So I assume that is the case, then?
#289 [04:06] <Wug> try logging in again
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#291 [04:07] <codenemisis> Brought me to the log-in screen, skipping the interface again.
#292 [04:07] <Wug> so login then :|
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#294 [04:08] <Wug> I don't know why the interface appears briefly before the login screen
#295 [04:08] <codenemisis> It still gives me the same "sorry, could not connect to our servers" error. I was never able to log in in the first place.
#296 [04:08] <colcolx> I'm getting a crash with a highly modded 1.6.2 MC(client), who can I show the crash report to ?
#297 [04:09] <Necrodoom> to the modder
#298 [04:09] <colcolx> of which mod ^^
#299 [04:09] <Necrodoom> i dont know who modded your client, so..
#300 [04:09] <colcolx> I tried solving problems alone but I'm stuck now
#301 [04:09] <colcolx> I moddedit myself
#302 [04:09] <Necrodoom> id guess start with the base mod
#303 [04:10] <colcolx> I think something is wrong with forge though acording to the crash
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#306 [04:10] <colcolx> can you make sure for me ?
#307 [04:10] <Necrodoom> i can try
#308 [04:10] <Necrodoom> though probably will end up with me telling you to ask them to what to do with it
#309 [04:10] <Wug> colcolx: by "The modder" he means "the mod author"
#310 [04:10] <colcolx> ok wug :P
#311 [04:11] <colcolx> i'm not goign to paste it all in this chat though
#312 [04:11] <colcolx> it's public isn;t it ?
#313 [04:11] <Wug> codenemisis: go here and tell me what it says: https://login.minecraft.net/?user=Meep&password=notreal&version=13
#314 [04:11] <codenemisis> bad login
#315 [04:11] <Necrodoom> colcolx: you can use pastebin and paste from there
#316 [04:11] <Wug> codenemisis: try turning your firewall off
#317 [04:11] <colcolx> ok give me a sec then
#318 [04:11] <Necrodoom> basically paste the crash to pastebin, submit, paste link here
#319 [04:12] <codenemisis> As far as I am aware, I do not have one. Do you know where I might begin to look?
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#321 [04:12] <codenemisis> In addition, if it matters, I am also in an apartment complex? I have played every other game I own, through steam or online otherwise, without incident, would this be problematic?
#322 [04:12] <Wug> do you have any security software at all
#323 [04:12] <colcolx> pasted here: http://pastebin.com/MwukJCK7
#324 [04:13] <Wug> colcolx: now take it to the mod author
#325 [04:13] <codenemisis> All I have is malware bytes and windows firewall, but okay.
#326 [04:13] <colcolx> but I don't know whic mod is causing it? should I just send it to forge and see who he redirects me to ?
#327 [04:13] <Necrodoom> colcolx: looks like a mod install failure
#328 [04:13] <Necrodoom> forge will be able to make more sense of it
#329 [04:13] <colcolx> aight
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#331 [04:14] <codenemisis> Windows firewall is now off, though.
#332 [04:14] <colcolx> I'll send it to forge thx guys :)
#333 [04:14] <Wug> codenemisis: where is minecraft.exe
#334 [04:14] <codenemisis> desktop
#335 [04:14] <Wug> pull up the command prompt again
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#337 [04:14] <codenemisis> done
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#339 [04:15] <Wug> do cd desktop and then java -jar minecraft.exe
#340 [04:16] <Wug> try to login again, and it should produce an error message on the command prompt
#341 [04:16] <codenemisis> It says java is not recognized as a valid command?
#342 [04:16] <codenemisis> internal or external command**
#343 [04:17] <Wug> reinstalling java will fix that, but in the meantime, use..
#344 [04:17] <codenemisis> I have also reinstalled java twice today.
#345 [04:18] <Wug> did you remove all versions you had installed before installing it
#346 [04:18] <codenemisis> Yes.
#347 [04:18] <Wug> or did you remove some versions afterwards
#348 [04:18] <Wug> use "C:\Program Files\java\jre7\bin\java.exe" and if that doesn't work, try "C:\Program Files (x86)\java\jre7\bin\java.exe"
#349 [04:18] <codenemisis> I uninstalled all java programs that were installed by the company.
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#351 [04:19] <Wug> (replace 'java' with that, include quotes)
#352 [04:20] <codenemisis> Apperently C:\Program Files\ is also an invalid internal / external command?
#353 [04:21] <Wug> include the quotes
#354 [04:22] <codenemisis> Okay, what now?
#355 [04:22] <Wug> did it launch? if so
#356 [04:22] <Wug> try to login again, and it should produce an error message on the command prompt
#357 [04:23] <codenemisis> Did Java launch or MC? Because neither did, it just gave me a handful of options.
#358 [04:23] <Wug> ??> codenemisis teamviewer
#359 [04:23] <VoxelHead> codenemisis: Teamviewer is a remote access software, which enables other people to, with your permission, access your computer remotely and attempt to perform troubleshooting and diagnostics.
#360 [04:23] <VoxelHead> codenemisis: Teamviewer's website is here: http://www.teamviewer.com/en/index.aspx
#361 [04:23] <Wug> please download teamviewer 7
#362 [04:23] <Wug> hover over download -> old versions
#363 [04:24] <codenemisis> which one, then?
#364 [04:24] <Wug> whichever is the most recent version of teamviewer 7 for windows
#365 [04:24] <Wug> probably the first one in the list
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#367 [04:26] <codenemisis> Downloaded and installed, assume you want my Id and password?
#368 [04:26] <Wug> yep, message them to me with /msg wug id, pass
#369 [04:26] <Wug> err, /msg wug id, pass
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#371 [04:26] <Nike479> Hidendra: Hi I have downloaded last night minecraft and paid for it. Now I cant get the game up - we are logged in but how do we find the game?
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#373 [04:27] <Wug> Nike479: don't ping random people
#374 [04:27] <Wug> ......
#375 [04:27] <Necrodoom> you want to join a multiplayer server?
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#380 [04:30] <Wug> ??>> codenemisis gist
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#384 [04:42] <lolminecraftgeeks> hi my problem is that i bought minecraft for macbook pro and there wasn't any save folder coming with it. did this happen to any of you ?
#385 [04:43] <Wug> the save folder creates itself when you actually make a world
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#387 [04:45] <lolminecraftgeeks> Wug i dont understand what you mean
#388 [04:45] <Wug> lolminecraftgeeks: have you tried playing minecraft yet
#389 [04:45] <lolminecraftgeeks> i play a lot of minecraft every day
#390 [04:46] <Wug> chances are then that you're looking in the wrong place
#391 [04:47] <lolminecraftgeeks> dont you get a save folder when you buy minecraft which you use to download mods maps etc...
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#393 [04:47] <Wug> you get one when you run minecraft, and it's just for saves
#394 [04:47] <Andrio> ??< index
#395 [04:48] <Andrio> ??> lolminecraftgeeks mac/.minecraft
#396 [04:48] <Wug> it's located in "~/Library/Application Support/minecraft/saves"
#397 [04:48] <VoxelHead> lolminecraftgeeks: To get at Minecraft's locally stored files on a Mac, in the Finder, from the Go menu, select 'Go to Folder', and type in: ~/Library/Application Support/minecraft, and click Go.
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#401 [04:51] <lolminecraftgeeks_> sorry i got logged out i dont know why
#402 [04:51] <lolminecraftgeeks_> so wug are you here ?
#403 [04:52] <Wug> the saves folder is located in "~/Library/Application Support/minecraft/saves"
#404 [04:52] <Wug> Application Support is hidden by default, you might not be able to see it in finder.
#405 [04:52] <lolminecraftgeeks_> thank ill be back in a minute
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#413 [05:07] <helpmeout> i just downloaded minecraft and it says there is a error because of a lack of up to date graphic drivers. followed instructions and i am here. the help also said once i am here to post link to a dixdiag i was told to makehttps://gist.github.com/anonymous/7762e4a92dc6053f0120
#414 [05:07] <helpmeout> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/7762e4a92dc6053f0120
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#416 [05:07] <lolminecraftgeeks> wug i had to reconnect again im sorry if i am giving you trouble because i am kind of a noob sometimes
#417 [05:08] <helpmeout> thats alright can you help me out with my problem
#418 [05:08] <Wug> can't you just leave the page open so you can see what I say even if you lose your connection
#419 [05:08] <lolminecraftgeeks> ok
#420 [05:08] <Wug> the saves folder is located in "~/Library/Application Support/minecraft/saves"
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#422 [05:09] <lolminecraftgeeks> yes i saw that but i dont really know how to get there
#423 [05:09] <lolminecraftgeeks> so first i have to click on the thing top right corner
#424 [05:09] <lolminecraftgeeks> right ?
#425 [05:10] <helpmeout> my minecraft says i have a lack of up to date graphic drivers how do i update them?
#426 [05:10] <Wug> lolminecraftgeeks: I have no idea how to use a mac
#427 [05:10] <helpmeout> my minecraft says i have a lack of up to date graphic drivers how do i update them?
#428 [05:10] <Wug> helpmeout: I saw that, hold on, I'm tping
#429 [05:11] <Wug> try looking here and seeing if you can install the drivers listed for "video1" or "video2": http://www.sony-asia.com/support/product/VGN-SZ43GN
#430 [05:11] <helpmeout> i went on a instruction thing and it told me to post this https://gist.github.com/anonymous/7762e4a92dc6053f0120
#431 [05:11] <Wug> I know, and you posted it
#432 [05:11] <Wug> try looking here and seeing if you can install the drivers listed for "video1" or "video2": http://www.sony-asia.com/support/product/VGN-SZ43GN
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#434 [05:13] <lolminecraftgeeks> wait i have a question ug you have a mac or a window pc ?
#435 [05:13] <Wug> I use windows and linux
#436 [05:13] <lolminecraftgeeks> ok
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#438 [05:13] <Wug> if you're having trouble opening the folder by name, try google "mac osx open folder by name"
#439 [05:14] <lolminecraftgeeks> thanks see ya in a few minutes
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#448 [05:24] <asdfghjkl> Hello?
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#450 [05:25] <ItsMeElConquistador> Is there a way to search for mods in the hopper site?
#451 [05:26] <lolminecraftgeeks> thank you so much wug i searched this thing for a few month now
#452 [05:26] <lolminecraftgeeks> thank you SO MUCH
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#484 [06:37] <jessevittesse> help
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#495 [06:58] <ahmad> my minecraft resouse pack is messed up
#496 [07:02] <Andrio> ??> ahmad ask/wtf
#497 [07:02] <VoxelHead> ahmad: Please form your question in the form of a question. Whatever you just said was unclear.
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#500 [07:04] <ahmad> my resource pack is not working
#501 [07:04] <Wug> remove it then
#502 [07:05] <Wug> check the site where you got it, and make sure there isn't an update available. also, make sure it doesn't require any mods you dont have
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#505 [07:06] <Aweboss> Why does my fps drop when i out my charger in
#506 [07:06] * Ramen|Offline is now known as Ramen
#507 [07:07] <tyteen4a03> Aweboss, you have power settings set to "Maximize battery" on your laptop
#508 [07:07] <tyteen4a03> Aweboss, this maximizes the battery life at the cost of performance
#509 [07:09] <GrygrFlzr> Most laptops switch power settings when you plug/unplug the cord.
#510 [07:09] <Aweboss> But it never did but its anoying cause i cant play with my charger in
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#512 [07:09] <Aweboss> I always have max fps on
#513 [07:10] <tyteen4a03> Aweboss, what is your laptop model?
#514 [07:10] <tyteen4a03> Aweboss, also, check your Windows power settings
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#516 [07:10] <GrygrFlzr> Aweboss, Minecraft's settings are separate from Windows' power settings.
#517 [07:11] <GrygrFlzr> Setting "Max FPS" will still be limited by your Windows' power settings.
#518 [07:12] <tyteen4a03> GrygrFlzr, I like how the two sentences have the exact length
#519 [07:12] <tyteen4a03> s/exact/same/
#520 [07:12] <Aweboss> So where can i find power settings on windows 8
#521 [07:12] <tyteen4a03> Aweboss, from your control panel
#522 [07:14] <Aweboss> ?
#523 [07:14] <Aweboss> Im a noob
#524 [07:15] <ahmad> no i mean the default resource i downloaded faithfull venom and the default one was kinda blurry
#525 [07:15] <tyteen4a03> Aweboss, search for Control Panels
#526 [07:15] <tyteen4a03> Aweboss, uh, Control Panel
#527 [07:15] <tyteen4a03> Aweboss, it will show up under Apps
#528 [07:16] <Aweboss> I fixed it i switches on maximum prestation thanks guys<3
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#530 [07:16] <tyteen4a03> I like how he spelt Performance as Prestation
#531 [07:18] <techno156> aH, WELL
#532 [07:18] <techno156> *Ah, well
#533 [07:18] <techno156> XD
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#545 [07:35] <chucknorris88> could someone help? my mc is 1.5.2 , it keeps crashing when i open a certain world. its heavily modded, with almost 40 mods.
#546 [07:35] <cestislife> ?? mods
#547 [07:35] <VoxelHead> mods: This channel is not a venue for mod support, or support for modded clients or servers. As it is impossible for anybody to know every combination of mods out there, this channel does not assist with unofficial third-party modded content.
#548 [07:35] <VoxelHead> mods: For single player mods, contact the mod's creator or try http://tiny.cc/modinstall for general installation instructions. For bukkit help, use #bukkit; you can also search Google for a mod's installation instructions.
#549 [07:39] <techno156> 40 is not heavy. ;)
#550 [07:39] <techno156> I know heavier. :P
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#558 [07:48] <chucknorris88> haha..thanks..
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#561 [08:02] <ahmad> default resource i downloaded faithfull venom and the default one was kinda blurry
#562 [08:03] <techno156> What do you mean by blurry?
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#581 [08:17] <DrPickle> hi i need more ram but downloadmoreram.com doesn't give me more :c
#582 [08:17] <Calinou> DrPickle: ...are you serious?
#583 [08:17] <techno156> DrPickle, it never did. :P
#584 [08:17] <DrPickle> awwwwww where can i get more ram?
#585 [08:17] <Calinou> from buying compatible RAM and putting it in your PC
#586 [08:18] <Calinou> how much RAM do you currently have?
#587 [08:18] <DrPickle> idk
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#589 [08:18] <DrPickle> let me check
#590 [08:18] <DrPickle> 2gb
#591 [08:18] <tnt_> oi
#592 [08:18] <techno156> How old is tour computer
#593 [08:18] <techno156> tnt_, aye?
#594 [08:18] <DrPickle> idk
#595 [08:18] <tnt_> yes
#596 [08:18] <DrPickle> not that old
#597 [08:18] <Calinou> 2GB is enough for Minecraft by the way
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#599 [08:19] <DrPickle> yay
#600 [08:19] <tnt_> no
#601 [08:19] <Calinou> but you should definitely get 4GB or 8
#602 [08:19] <tnt_> n consigo entra
#603 [08:19] <Calinou> english here
#604 [08:19] <DrPickle> ok i will look into it :D
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#606 [08:20] <tnt_> caralho
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#608 [08:25] <olavo> oi
#609 [08:26] <techno156> \o
#610 [08:26] <stupid3700|away> Hmm?
#611 [08:26] <techno156> ?
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#613 [08:27] <olavo> 1p
#614 [08:28] <techno156> ??
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#618 [08:29] <DrPickle> ok so where i get more ram?
#619 [08:30] <Wug> DrPickle: try newegg.com
#620 [08:30] <DrPickle> but that is dollars
#621 [08:31] <GrygrFlzr> DrPickle, RAM needs an actual, physical stick, it will cost money
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#623 [08:31] <GrygrFlzr> You do not simply "download more RAM"
#624 [08:31] <DrPickle> yes yes but i can't buy in dollars
#625 [08:32] <DrPickle> i need pounds
#626 [08:32] <GrygrFlzr> Online purchases usually accept conversion.
#627 [08:32] <GrygrFlzr> For example, PayPal will convert the currency for you
#628 [08:32] <DrPickle> but it take forever for shipping
#629 [08:32] <GrygrFlzr> Then buy in a local electronic store.
#630 [08:32] <DrPickle> oh ok
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#633 [08:33] <Calinou> of course, you don't buy on a US site when you're not from the US
#634 [08:34] <DrPickle> exactly what i mean
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#648 [09:01] <ahmad> my resource pack the default one is like not clear in the hot bar it does not show clearly
#649 [09:02] <ahmad> how can i reset it
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#651 [09:02] <ahmad> i tried to delete minecraft and installit again but it didnt work
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#660 [09:14] <Alurn> is anyone having issues with spoutcraft right now? downloads-wise
#661 [09:14] <GrygrFlzr> ?? mods
#662 [09:14] <VoxelHead> mods: This channel is not a venue for mod support, or support for modded clients or servers. As it is impossible for anybody to know every combination of mods out there, this channel does not assist with unofficial third-party modded content.
#663 [09:14] <Alurn> I can't download any of the files from their website and the client started crashing permanently when I tried to change version back to 1.5.1
#664 [09:14] <VoxelHead> mods: For single player mods, contact the mod's creator or try http://tiny.cc/modinstall for general installation instructions. For bukkit help, use #bukkit; you can also search Google for a mod's installation instructions.
#665 [09:14] <Alurn> oh whoops
#666 [09:14] <GrygrFlzr> :P
#667 [09:14] <Alurn> I swear I was headed in the right place
#668 [09:14] <GrygrFlzr> Please read the topic on entry
#669 [09:14] <Alurn> yeah
#670 [09:15] <Alurn> spoutcraft literally sent me here but I bet I clicked one wrong link etc.
#671 [09:15] <Alurn> OH I get it
#672 [09:15] <Alurn> ok sorry!
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#674 [09:15] <GrygrFlzr> :/
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#681 [09:34] <tyteen4a03> Andrio, does not apply to digital goods
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#692 [09:52] <RogerDaTall> hi there, i seem to have problems logging onto minecraft. website goes fine, mojang as well. tried to change my password, that succeeded, but i still cannot log into the game. Any suggestions?
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#694 [09:54] <Wug> ??> RogerDaTall login
#695 [09:54] <VoxelHead> RogerDaTall: https://authserver.mojang.com/authenticate - http://session.minecraft.net/game/joinserver.jsp?user=Meep&sessionId=test&serverId=test
#696 [09:54] <VoxelHead> RogerDaTall: https://login.minecraft.net/?user=Meep&password=notreal&version=13
#697 [09:54] <Wug> RogerDaTall: try going to that last link in a browser and tell me what you get
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#699 [09:55] <RogerDaTall> i get 'bad login'
#700 [09:56] <Wug> RogerDaTall: ok, it's not a dns issue
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#703 [09:57] <Wug> you're using the email and password right, not the username?
#704 [09:57] <RogerDaTall> i played i thingk a couple of hours ago and it was fine.
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#706 [09:57] <RogerDaTall> yes, email/pw
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#708 [09:58] <Wug> hmmmm. do you know how the command prompt works
#709 [09:58] <RogerDaTall> sure
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#712 [09:59] <Wug> open the command prompt, navigate to wherever minecraft.exe is, and launch it with java -jar minecraft.exe
#713 [10:00] <Wug> then try to login. you should see an error message of some sort print to the command prompt when the login fails
#714 [10:00] <RogerDaTall> ok, started it, loggin in now...
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#718 [10:02] <RogerDaTall> it gives an authentication error
#719 [10:02] <RogerDaTall> as if the login is wrong
#720 [10:03] <RogerDaTall> hmmm suddenly works again, quite certain that i typed it the same
#721 [10:03] <Wug> so that's it then?
#722 [10:04] <RogerDaTall> i'll try on another device, but yes it seems ok
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#724 [10:04] <RogerDaTall> tx anyway
#725 [10:04] <Wug> np i guss
#726 [10:04] <Wug> guess*
#727 [10:04] <Wug> literally
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#737 [10:15] <jj> can you help me i got told to give you this https://gist.github.com/anonymous/1f105224eef511f1063a
#738 [10:16] <Andrio> That isn't the whole report, is it?
#739 [10:16] <GrygrFlzr> jj, your report is cut off.
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#741 [10:16] <jj> ok hang on 1 min k'
#742 [10:17] <Andrio> Also, 512 MB RAM?
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#744 [10:18] <jj> System Information ------------------ Time of this report: 9/13/2013, 07:10:13 Machine name: ABC-0DB5955EB08 Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 3 (2600.xpsp_sp3_gdr.090206-1234) Language: English (Regional Setting: English) System Manufacturer: Dell Computer Corporation System Model: Precision WorkStation 360 BIOS: Phoenix ROM BIOS PLUS Version 1.10 A08 Pr
#745 [10:18] <GrygrFlzr> ??> jj gist
#746 [10:18] <VoxelHead> jj: Github Gist is a service run at https://gist.github.com/ which facilitates the sharing of information without flooding IRC channels. Paste your text there, click Create Secret Gist, and give us the URL the site takes you to, and we can see what you have put there.
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#749 [10:19] <jj> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/82119b321b89d8f0e494
#750 [10:20] <jj> hello
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#752 [10:21] <jj> can some one help https://gist.github.com/anonymous/82119b321b89d8f0e494
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#754 [10:23] <GrygrFlzr> jj, your computer does not meet the minimum requirements to play Minecraft.
#755 [10:23] <GrygrFlzr> jj, your computer is also a Workstation, not designed to play games.
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#757 [10:24] <GrygrFlzr> jj: You may try to download and install these drivers, but even if they work, Minecraft will not run very well. http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_169.96.html
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#795 [11:01] <TheMoFoTrolley> Hello. I saw minimum requirements on minecraftwiki by #MinecraftHelp. It says the minimum CPU Frequency must be 1.8ghz, but I have 1.6ghz and Minecraft it's working fine :) can you modify that?
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#799 [11:03] <TheMoFoTrolley> It also works on 512MB of RAM on a default generated world, windowed, at 20fps
#800 [11:03] <TheMoFoTrolley> And also on GPU : nVidia GeForce 5xxx Series
#801 [11:04] <TheMoFoTrolley> I've tested 1.6.2 on GeForce 5500 FX and, 5200.. 256mb and 64mb each
#802 [11:04] <clarjon1> TheMoFoTrolley: That is the minimum requirements for optimal gameplay
#803 [11:04] <Calinou> TheMoFoTrolley: CPU frequency is indicative
#804 [11:05] <Calinou> you can't judge a CPU's performance with its frequency
#805 [11:05] <Calinou> same applies to graphics card and RAM
#806 [11:05] <clarjon1> TheMoFoTrolley: Many, MANY users have had issues with specs equal, as well as greater than yours.
#807 [11:05] <Calinou> there are a lot of factors, such as OS, whether you use desktop effects or not, screen resolution...
#808 [11:05] <clarjon1> Whether the system is overheated, how well your system is ventilated
#809 [11:05] <clarjon1> whether the system has overheated in the past and has caused damage to the chips
#810 [11:06] <clarjon1> Which version(s) of Java you have installed
#811 [11:06] <clarjon1> Particular driver versions, etc
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#814 [11:07] <TheMoFoTrolley> Thanks for replys :) I thinked about that and I tested on a freshly Windows XP SP3 install with Amd Sempron 2400+, 1.6ghz, nvidia fx 5500 256mb, 512mb ram, last version of java, and all drivers updated
#815 [11:07] <TheMoFoTrolley> and got around ~20, ~23 fps
#816 [11:07] <TheMoFoTrolley> windowed
#817 [11:08] <TheMoFoTrolley> And the system is 7 years old.. never had a problem with it.. and it's working fine :D thanks godness
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#819 [11:10] <clarjon1> TheMoFoTrolley: Well, fresh OS installs setup properly -do- tend to get the best performance, which is why I'm sure you did the recent reinstall ;)
#820 [11:10] <TheMoFoTrolley> yeah :D
#821 [11:10] <clarjon1> Glad to hear it's running fine for ya :)
#822 [11:11] <TheMoFoTrolley> And now I'm on the "Hardware Performance" page seeing a comment by a guy with 128gb of ram and 8000fps
#823 [11:11] <TheMoFoTrolley> lol
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#828 [11:13] <TheMoFoTrolley> ok.. thanks for relpys.. I'll come here later when I'll need help.. you guys are the best.. thanks all. bye bye
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#840 [11:24] <Leonassan> Morning
#841 [11:25] <Leonassan> MoFoTrolley: 512MB ram? That's, I'd say, your #1 problem
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#846 [11:45] <stef> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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#852 [11:47] <jagged> When are the servers back online ?
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#854 [11:49] <stupid3700> jagged: Which servers?
#855 [11:50] <stupid3700> jagged: Ah, login is unstable at the moment.
#856 [11:50] <stupid3700> jagged: They'll be back when they are, just be patient.
#857 [11:50] <jagged> y
#858 [11:50] <stupid3700> jagged: We don't know why.
#859 [11:50] <jagged> well ...ok
#860 [11:51] <stupid3700> jagged: You can track server status at http://xpaw.ru/mcstatus/ or http://help.mojang.com/
#861 [11:51] <jagged> there i am coming from ^^
#862 [11:52] * LinuxGold ponders symlinking minecraft.jar to various server directories
#862 [11:52] <LinuxGold> that way I can download jar file without copying
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#865 [11:55] <Stuart554> Hello is there any way to fix internal exception java.net.sockettimeoutexception read time out ?
#866 [11:55] <stupid3700> Stuart554: Depends on its cause.
#867 [11:56] <stupid3700> Stuart554: Is this one server you're getting this on or every server?
#868 [11:56] <Stuart554> I get it all most every server after 10 minutes of playing or sometimes not even that
#869 [11:56] <stupid3700> Stuart554: And does your internet also drop when you time out?
#870 [11:57] <Stuart554> Nope i stay connect to teamspeak and everything else fine
#871 [11:57] <stupid3700> Stuart554: What antivirus software do you have?
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#873 [11:57] <Stuart554> AVG
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#875 [11:58] <stupid3700> Stuart554: Any firewalls other than Windows Firewall?
#876 [11:59] <Stuart554> Nope
#877 [11:59] <stupid3700> Stuart554: If you right-click AVG and temporarily disable it for a short period of time, do you still time out?
#878 [11:59] <stupid3700> Right-click its tray icon, rather.
#879 [11:59] <Stuart554> Yes
#880 [12:00] <Stuart554> Im also seeing a lot of people are getting the same error
#881 [12:00] <xales> Stuart554: Are you connected to the Internet over WiFi?
#882 [12:00] <Wug> that would tend to indicate it's an issue on mojang's side
#883 [12:00] <Stuart554> Yes
#884 [12:01] <stupid3700> Wug: Eh?
#885 [12:01] <Wug> at least if this was a login issue
#886 [12:01] * Wug over-backred
#886 [12:01] <Wug> read*
#887 [12:01] <stupid3700> Wug: It's timing out from servers, not login
#888 [12:01] <Wug> realized that after I said it
#889 [12:01] <xales> Stuart554: Connect your computer over Ethernet, and disable WiFi.
#890 [12:02] <Stuart554> There is no way my pc can be Hard wired the router is down stairs im upstairs
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#894 [12:03] <Andrio> Didn't stop me.
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#896 [12:05] <xales> Stuart554: Then move it?
#897 [12:05] <Stuart554> It cant be moved, move downstairs. as thats where the BT phoneline comes in.
#898 [12:06] <xales> Stuart554: The issue is, more likely than not, a problem with your Internet connection. Which means it's at the ISP level, which is rather unlikely, or it's at LAN level, which would almost certainly be caused by unreliable consumer WiFi.
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#900 [12:07] <Stuart554> I dont belive it was my wifi as it was fine 4 days ago and now it keeps doing it.
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#902 [12:08] <xales> lol
#903 [12:08] <xales> I'm in a not-nice mood today
#904 [12:08] <xales> let Vox expire that
#905 [12:08] <Wug> "I don't believe it could possibly be what you said, and I'm not even going to bother trying"
#906 [12:08] <xales> if they aren't going to listen, they can fuck off
#907 [12:09] <xales> Wug: DID YOU KNOW COMPUTERS ARE MAGICAL IMMOVABLE OJECTS?
#908 [12:09] <xales> objects*
#909 [12:09] <Kealper> NOWAI
#910 [12:09] <Wug> I did
#911 [12:09] <xales> Wug: IF I UNPLUG MY COMPUTER FROM MY ROUTER WHICH HAS FIREWALL I WILL BE HAXORD
#912 [12:10] <Wug> my computer has been stuck in mid falling-off-the-table ever since microsoft updated it last year, which made it unmovable
#913 [12:10] <xales> Kealper: I THINK UR GONNA HAK ME U CANT HAV MY MIND CRAFT DX DAIG
#914 [12:10] * Kealper shutters
#914 [12:10] <Necrodoom> what is this
#915 [12:10] <Wug> Necrodoom: we're bashing derps
#916 [12:10] <Wug> Kealper: does aubot listen to me
#917 [12:10] <Wug> .kick wug derp
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#920 [12:10] <Kealper> rofl
#921 [12:10] <Wug> thats a yes it looks like
#922 [12:10] <xales> so
#923 [12:11] <Wug> .set mode wug o
#924 [12:11] <xales> I was listening to someone teach a C programmer Java
#925 [12:11] <Wug> .set mode *!*@87.113.161.146 -b
#926 [12:11] <Wug> huehueueuhe
#927 [12:11] <xales> unfortunately said C programmer has never used longjmp
#928 [12:11] <xales> so exceptions are "lolwat"
#929 [12:11] <xales> best way of explaining exceptions ever is
#930 [12:11] <xales> exception = brick
#931 [12:11] <xales> program = SHINY NEW CAR
#932 [12:11] <xales> catch = police
#933 [12:11] <xales> wololo
#934 [12:11] <Kealper> a C programmer that has never dealt with exceptions?
#935 [12:12] <xales> Kealper: C doesn't have exceptions
#936 [12:12] <xales> well
#937 [12:12] <xales> it has longjmp
#938 [12:12] <Wug> Kealper: exceptions are too high level
#939 [12:12] <xales> which is entirely not exceptions
#940 [12:12] <Wug> along with other things, like storing the length of a string
#941 [12:12] <xales> longjmp is literally "save CPU state in struct and restore it"
#942 [12:12] <xales> Wug: it's just not built in to the language (nor should it be) :p
#943 [12:12] <Necrodoom> xales: so the method of checking if a string is an int is throw bricks at cars?
#944 [12:12] <Kealper> but but but... a C programmer... they are supposed to know how to into programming
#945 [12:12] <xales> Necrodoom: no
#946 [12:13] <xales> Kealper: exceptions make sense to a C programmer
#947 [12:13] <xales> Kealper: just not the way Java uses them
#948 [12:13] <Kealper> ahh
#949 [12:13] <xales> Java uses exceptions for everything
#950 [12:13] <xales> which is Literally Wrong
#951 [12:13] <Wug> Necrodoom: if the parser throws a brick, YOU'D BETTER STOP IT FROM GETTING TO YOUR CAR
#952 [12:13] <xales> Kealper: do you know how computationally complex it is to do something like
#953 [12:13] <xales> unwind the stack in a VM
#954 [12:13] <xales> it's surprisingly hard
#955 [12:13] <Kealper> i could imagine
#956 [12:13] <xales> FIND OBJECTS ON THIS FRAME
#957 [12:13] <xales> DECREMENT THEIR REFERENCE COUNT
#958 [12:13] <xales> INFORM THE GC
#959 [12:13] <xales> POP THE FRAME
#960 [12:14] <xales> DO IT AGAIN
#961 [12:14] <xales> ANY APPROPRIATE HANDLERS?
#962 [12:14] <xales> BETTER DO A BUNCH OF OBJECT TYPE CHECKING
#963 [12:14] <xales> THAT'S CHEAP, RIGHT?
#964 [12:14] <xales> NOPE>
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#966 [12:14] <Kealper> Wug: C's handling of strings makes me rage
#967 [12:14] <xales> Kealper: C doesn't have strings
#968 [12:14] <xales> write your own string
#969 [12:14] <Kealper> "let's just keep reading memory until we find a null..."
#970 [12:14] <xales> it's easy
#971 [12:14] <Wug> C barely even has ints
#972 [12:14] <xales> Kealper: mind = blown http://bstring.sourceforge.net/
#973 [12:14] <Kealper> rofl
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#975 [12:15] <Wug> I use a substring of std::string for my own stuff
#976 [12:15] <xales> Wug: __asm { movl %wug, -1 }
#977 [12:15] <Kealper> so does that actually store the length of strings instead of just being like "go until first null"? lol
#978 [12:15] <Kealper> RIP Wug
#979 [12:15] <xales> Kealper: yep
#980 [12:15] <Wug> it has a .join and .tostring and .fromstring
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#982 [12:16] <xales> Kealper: in some cases it's actually preferable to not store the length
#983 [12:16] <xales> Kealper: (often it doesn't actually even matter)
#984 [12:16] <Wug> it's easy for me to ignore the things std::string does that nobody cares about
#985 [12:16] <xales> Kealper: like the kernel ringbuffer
#986 [12:16] <xales> who gives a fuck how long it is
#987 [12:16] <Kealper> lol
#988 [12:16] <xales> doesn't matter really
#989 [12:16] <Wug> it's not easy to ignore things it doesn't do that people do care about
#990 [12:16] <xales> you just iterate until null
#991 [12:16] <xales> Wug: std::string is intended for a specific purpose
#992 [12:16] <xales> most people don't use it for that purpose
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#994 [12:17] <xales> and don't know how to use the STL
#995 [12:17] <xales> at all
#996 [12:17] <xales> HOW DO I ALLOCATORS WHATS THAT
#997 [12:17] <Kealper> i'm tempted to post a picture i took on /r/itookapicture
#998 [12:17] <xales> STRINGS CAN BE COW WHAT DOES THAT MEAN CAN THEY MOO
#999 [12:17] * xales is a string
#999 [12:17] * Wug allocators xales
#999 [12:17] * xales moos at Kealper
#999 [12:17] * xales is now a sheep
#999 [12:17] * Kealper aligators xales
#999 [12:18] <xales> what color is the xales sheep?
#1000 [12:18] <xales> it's a hard question!
#1001 [12:18] <xales> if I was once a string and moo'd a Kealper
#1002 [12:18] <Wug> xales.FromString<int>("butts");
#1003 [12:18] <xales> what color sheep is it
#1004 [12:18] <xales> Wug: do you know about C++14
#1005 [12:18] <Andrio> And another #minecrafthelp programmer brawl. :-P
#1006 [12:18] <xales> Wug: variables can be templated now
#1007 [12:18] <Wug> what why
#1008 [12:18] <xales> Wug: pi<int> = 3; pi<float> = 3.14159265702
#1009 [12:18] <Necrodoom> zz
#1010 [12:18] <Wug> that's like the dumbest thing i've ever heard of
#1011 [12:18] <xales> Wug: and it's like Python now
#1012 [12:19] <Andrio> How many bits is that?
#1013 [12:19] <xales> Wug: auto myFuckingFunction(auto penis, auto vagina)
#1014 [12:19] <Necrodoom> while (true) { true = false; }
#1015 [12:19] <Wug> man C++ has the potential to be good
#1016 [12:19] <xales> Wug: soon auto will be unnneeded
#1017 [12:19] <Wug> but the new revisions are trying so hard to make me hate them
#1018 [12:19] <Kealper> C++ is like... too huge
#1019 [12:19] <xales> INFER ALL THE THINGS
#1020 [12:19] <Andrio> Compiler = blown.
#1021 [12:19] <Wug> null_ptr
#1022 [12:19] <Wug> what the fuck
#1023 [12:19] <xales> Kealper: read this your brain will asplode http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%2B%2B14
#1024 [12:19] <xales> Wug: NULL is not portable nor safe
#1025 [12:19] <Wug> let's put underscores in our language keywords guys
#1026 [12:19] <xales> Wug: also you think NULL is 0 right
#1027 [12:19] <xales> Wug: it's not
#1028 [12:20] <xales> Wug: expand NULL one day
#1029 [12:20] <Wug> xales: CALL IT "null"
#1030 [12:20] <xales> SEE WHAT YOU FIND
#1031 [12:20] <xales> Wug: #define null null_ptr // HOW DO I C++
#1032 [12:20] <xales> also there is a reason it's not null
#1033 [12:20] <Kealper> reading this makes me see why i stopped learning C++ very shortly after i started learning it
#1034 [12:20] <xales> Wug: also
#1035 [12:20] <Wug> not "null_ptr_oooooh_look_at_me_every_other_language_calls_it_null_so_im_calling_it_this_JUST_TO_BE_DIFFERENT"
#1036 [12:21] <xales> Wug: C++14 allows runtime-sized stack-allocated single-dimension arrays
#1037 [12:21] <xales> Wug: time to troll some CS professors
#1038 [12:21] <Wug> huehuehueu
#1039 [12:21] <xales> >walk into CS101
#1040 [12:21] <xales> "arrays are bad use vectors"
#1041 [12:21] <xales> NOPE NOPE NOPE
#1042 [12:21] <Wug> arrays are still bad and you should still use vectors
#1043 [12:21] <xales> only if you're dumb
#1044 [12:22] <xales> vectors are okay for some things
#1045 [12:22] <xales> but usually
#1046 [12:22] <xales> if an array doesn't work
#1047 [12:22] <xales> you really should be using a linked list
#1048 [12:22] <xales> because if you're adding stuff that often and you don't know
#1049 [12:22] <Wug> internally, vectors are just an array
#1050 [12:22] <xales> YOU USE A LINKED LIST FUCKER
#1051 [12:22] <xales> Wug: but expanding a vector isn't expensive or anything right
#1052 [12:22] <xales> Wug: MAKE NEW ARRAY
#1053 [12:22] <xales> Wug: COPY ENTIRE THING
#1054 [12:22] <Wug> in C++11, you can even get the array (vector.data())
#1055 [12:23] <Wug> xales: it's marginally better than "let's allocate 200 MILLION 8 BYTE OBJECTS"
#1056 [12:23] <xales> lol minecraft
#1057 [12:23] <Wug> we all know how well that worked out
#1058 [12:23] <Wug> 200MB of game structures, 400MB of heap overhead
#1059 [12:23] <xales> Wug: you should go into Minecraft
#1060 [12:23] <xales> replace every array or vector (ArrayList in Java? fuck that shit)
#1061 [12:23] <xales> with doubly-linked lists
#1062 [12:23] <xales> do it
#1063 [12:23] <xales> see what happens
#1064 [12:24] <xales> I want to know
#1065 [12:24] <xales> I bet it's actually better
#1066 [12:24] <Wug> but you can't index a doubly linked list
#1067 [12:24] <xales> orly
#1068 [12:24] <Wug> it becomes order N
#1069 [12:24] <Wug> you'd get like
#1070 [12:24] <xales> I don't care about runtime
#1071 [12:24] <Wug> a frame per week
#1072 [12:24] <xales> I care about memory
#1073 [12:24] <xales> which is actually kind of stupid
#1074 [12:24] <xales> but oh well
#1075 [12:24] <Wug> I have elevendy billion gigablats of ram
#1076 [12:24] <xales> also
#1077 [12:25] <xales> hm
#1078 [12:25] <xales> there's a way
#1079 [12:25] <xales> I can't remember the way
#1080 [12:25] <xales> to make indexing a linked list of a known size work
#1081 [12:25] <xales> I forget
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#1083 [12:25] <xales> :(
#1084 [12:25] <Wug> you can probably do clever things to make it log(n)
#1085 [12:25] <xales> yeah
#1086 [12:25] <xales> you can make it log(n)
#1087 [12:25] <xales> I just can't remember how
#1088 [12:25] <xales> you have to shuffle memory around
#1089 [12:25] <xales> because otherwise you end up confusing the CPU
#1090 [12:26] <xales> and the page cache goes "wat u doin crazy man"
#1091 [12:26] <Wug> but anyway
#1092 [12:26] <xales> you have to do magical memory things
#1093 [12:26] <xales> not like allocations
#1094 [12:26] <xales> like flagging memory and stuff
#1095 [12:26] <xales> I don't remember how to do that
#1096 [12:26] <Wug> I believe an arraylist is some ungodly combination of a list and an array
#1097 [12:26] <xales> :(
#1098 [12:26] <xales> ArrayList is Vector
#1099 [12:26] <xales> I think
#1100 [12:26] <xales> because really
#1101 [12:27] <xales> a vector is a list rite
#1102 [12:27] <xales> rite rite rite
#1103 [12:27] <Wug> i guess it could be
#1104 [12:27] <xales> riteaid
#1105 [12:27] <xales> hur
#1106 [12:27] <xales> Kealper did you ever into Java
#1107 [12:27] <Wug> if not, dont
#1108 [12:27] <xales> ^
#1109 [12:28] <Wug> it's probably healthier to into bungee jumping with boulders
#1110 [12:28] <Wug> or boxing.
#1111 [12:28] <Wug> and the gradual, inevitable brain damage
#1112 [12:28] <xales> Wug: also fun new C++14 feature
#1113 [12:28] <xales> user-defined literals can actually do shit now
#1114 [12:28] <xales> built-in ones are there for times
#1115 [12:28] <xales> like
#1116 [12:28] <Wug> I know about that and it's reasonably cool
#1117 [12:28] <xales> 14min
#1118 [12:29] <xales> expands to whatever
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#1120 [12:29] <xales> also "penis"s
#1121 [12:29] <xales> makes std::string
#1122 [12:29] <xales> not that that's useful
#1123 [12:29] <xales> strings are evil
#1124 [12:29] <xales> well
#1125 [12:29] <xales> only if you're dumb
#1126 [12:29] <xales> don't use strings
#1127 [12:29] <xales> like Java strings
#1128 [12:29] <xales> they aren't the same
#1129 [12:29] <Wug> but I don't care unless they changed array subscripting so herp[x][y] == herp[x,y]
#1130 [12:29] <xales> Wug: you can do that with templates
#1131 [12:30] <xales> somehow
#1132 [12:30] <xales> maybe it would be herp<3,4>
#1133 [12:30] <Wug> yeah
#1134 [12:30] <xales> but there is a way
#1135 [12:30] <xales> I have seen it
#1136 [12:30] <xales> WITH THINE EYES
#1137 [12:30] <Wug> and I want there to be an /operator/ for it xales
#1138 [12:30] <xales> OF MINE
#1139 [12:30] <Wug> that I can /overload/
#1140 [12:30] * xales overloads Wug's operators
#1140 [12:30] * Wug overloads xales' mom
#1140 [12:30] <xales> Wug: you can sort of do that with tuples
#1141 [12:31] <Wug> but anyway
#1142 [12:31] <Wug> you mentioned that std::string is usually not used the way it was intended
#1143 [12:31] <Wug> this is the problem
#1144 [12:31] <Wug> everyone _needs_ a string that does something else
#1145 [12:31] <Wug> but we don't have one
#1146 [12:31] <Wug> why not?
#1147 [12:31] <Wug> because butts.
#1148 [12:31] <xales> because it's too specific to whatever the hell you're trying to do
#1149 [12:31] <Wug> so everyone abuses the existing one into doing what they want
#1150 [12:32] <xales> so you make your own string (I do this)
#1151 [12:32] <xales> it takes about 20 seconds and it's not hard
#1152 [12:32] <xales> I even intern my strings sometimes and reference count them
#1153 [12:32] <Kealper> http://drive.kealper.com/public.php?service=files&t=13bb0078d78673de2c8c272945e24de9
#1154 [12:32] <Wug> std::string does some sort of magic like that
#1155 [12:32] <xales> though mostly I do that when I am working with the stupid DSLs I've gotten into writing
#1156 [12:32] <xales> Wug: nope
#1157 [12:32] <xales> they do CoW
#1158 [12:32] <xales> well, they used to
#1159 [12:32] <xales> it's not reentrant
#1160 [12:32] <xales> and people use that wrong too
#1161 [12:32] <Wug> xales: sizeof(std::string) == 4
#1162 [12:32] <xales> so now they don't usually
#1163 [12:32] <Wug> where is your god now
#1164 [12:32] <xales> if you use sizeof on a string
#1165 [12:33] <xales> and you are trying to get the length of the string
#1166 [12:33] <xales> you are dumb
#1167 [12:33] <Wug> no
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#1169 [12:33] <xales> and should not program
#1170 [12:33] <xales> ever
#1171 [12:33] <Wug> xales
#1172 [12:33] <Wug> the string contains one thing
#1173 [12:33] <ludde_thunes99> hallo
#1174 [12:33] <xales> ludde_thunes99: Hello
#1175 [12:33] <Wug> it's an index into some master string table
#1176 [12:33] <xales> Wug: nope
#1177 [12:33] <Wug> then how does it stuff a character pointer and the length into 4 bytes
#1178 [12:34] <ludde_thunes99> hallo
#1179 [12:34] <Wug> ludde_thunes99: you said that already
#1180 [12:34] <Kealper> ludde_thunes99: English?
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#1182 [12:34] <xales> Wug: std::string is mutable it cannot possibly be interned
#1183 [12:34] <xales> noob
#1184 [12:34] <Kealper> hallo is German, i wonder if he didn't speak English
#1185 [12:34] <xales> Kealper: not really our problem
#1186 [12:34] <xales> also
#1187 [12:34] <Wug> xales: processes are mutable, yet vfork exists
#1188 [12:34] <xales> so probably not
#1189 [12:35] <xales> Wug: processes are not strings
#1190 [12:35] <xales> and processes are not interned
#1191 [12:35] <Kealper> oh, was unaware hallo was used in other languages too
#1192 [12:35] <Wug> but their pages are shared
#1193 [12:35] <xales> yes because CoW
#1194 [12:35] <xales> they are not interned
#1195 [12:35] <xales> to be interned it must be non-changing
#1196 [12:35] <xales> std::string can change
#1197 [12:36] <xales> Wug: it can be 4 bytes if you initialized it with a string literal
#1198 [12:36] <xales> because they it only stores a pointer to .rodata
#1199 [12:36] <xales> or wherever else the compiler stuffed your shitty literal
#1200 [12:36] <Wug> don't try to feed me that you couldn't do efficient copy-on-write with data structures because if I told you to, you could
#1201 [12:36] <xales> Wug: I'm not saying you can't
#1202 [12:36] <xales> they did it for strings
#1203 [12:36] <xales> and it was Great When Used Right
#1204 [12:37] <xales> but it wasn't very speedy when it was reentrant (not lock-free)
#1205 [12:37] <xales> and writing a lock-free string thing is hard
#1206 [12:37] <xales> because HERP DERP PROOFS
#1207 [12:37] <xales> and also nobody used it right
#1208 [12:37] <Wug> that means they wrote it wrong
#1209 [12:37] <xales> because C++ programmers that came from Java think "oh a string I'll just use that"
#1210 [12:37] <xales> nope ur dum
#1211 [12:37] <Wug> ur fat
#1212 [12:37] <xales> Java is a retard programming language
#1213 [12:38] <xales> for writing retards
#1214 [12:38] <xales> C++ is a systems programming language
#1215 [12:38] <xales> for writing Turing machines and doing automata theory homework
#1216 [12:38] <Wug> the thing I like about C++
#1217 [12:38] <xales> lol automata theory
#1218 [12:38] <Wug> is that you can write code in it that's very low level
#1219 [12:38] <Wug> but also code that's very high level
#1220 [12:38] <xales> what's the instruction to copy from one register to another
#1221 [12:38] <Wug> it's the language's greatest strength, and what makes it better than java, python, etc
#1222 [12:38] <xales> I know there's ones for like
#1223 [12:38] <xales> "mov from eax"
#1224 [12:38] <xales> but what's the generic one
#1225 [12:39] <xales> is there one
#1226 [12:39] <xales> whatever
#1227 [12:39] <Wug> some instruction sets don't have one
#1228 [12:39] <xales> __asm { mov %eax, %wug; int 0x80 }
#1229 [12:39] <Wug> you'd just zero a register somehow, than add another register to it
#1230 [12:39] <xales> lol kernel panic
#1231 [12:39] <xales> the kernel panics when it sees you Wug
#1232 [12:39] <Wug> the wug syscall
#1233 [12:39] <xales> also you can't mov from one register to another can you
#1234 [12:39] <Wug> no idea
#1235 [12:39] <xales> I forgot that
#1236 [12:40] <xales> I'm pretty sure you can't
#1237 [12:40] <Wug> assemblers like pseudoinstructions
#1238 [12:40] <Wug> so they'll probably let you write it, then generate code that does it in 2 steps or something
#1239 [12:40] <xales> __asm { xor %eax, %eax; add %wug; int 0x80 }
#1240 [12:40] <xales> there we go
#1241 [12:40] <Wug> wug isn't a register
#1242 [12:40] <xales> it is on 0xwug
#1243 [12:41] <xales> we have 00wug for your shitty phone processor
#1244 [12:41] <xales> then the enhanced 01wug for your shitty embedded stuff like robotics
#1245 [12:41] <Wug> did I show you the shell code I wrote that one time to do the thing
#1246 [12:41] <xales> then 02wug for smartphones
#1247 [12:41] <xales> 03wug for netbooks
#1248 [12:41] <Wug> it's the most horribly complicated thing ever
#1249 [12:41] <xales> 04wug for laptops
#1250 [12:41] <xales> 05wug for power-efficient stuff
#1251 [12:41] <xales> 06wug for everything else
#1252 [12:41] <xales> and 09wug for unicorns
#1253 [12:41] <xales> Wug: shell code is cocks
#1254 [12:42] <Wug> it does uname -a and sends the output in a udp packet on port 53 to an ip of choice
#1255 [12:42] <xales> I think I saw that yeah
#1256 [12:42] <xales> did you avoid nulls or something
#1257 [12:42] <xales> that's fun
#1258 [12:42] <Wug> yes
#1259 [12:42] <xales> write shellcode avoiding nulls
#1260 [12:42] <xales> also writing shellcode avoiding nops
#1261 [12:42] <xales> xor xor xor xor xorxor
#1262 [12:42] <xales> XORCEPTION
#1263 [12:42] <Wug> ^
#1264 [12:42] <xales> anyway
#1265 [12:42] <xales> I am hungry Wug
#1266 [12:43] <xales> why have you kept me here
#1267 [12:43] <xales> I MUST EAT
#1268 [12:43] <Wug> I am too
#1269 [12:43] <xales> WRRARWRARWAWRARARWRAWRAWRRAWARRWARWRWAWARRAFWRARWRAWRARWR
#1270 [12:43] <Wug> screw you xales
#1271 [12:43] <xales> I am going to go have
#1272 [12:43] <xales> some
#1273 [12:43] <xales> PIIZA
#1274 [12:43] <xales> or well
#1275 [12:43] <Wug> :HJ|HYK:JD
#1276 [12:43] <xales> I bet they don't have that
#1277 [12:43] <xales> so I will have
#1278 [12:43] <Wug> im also having pizza
#1279 [12:43] <xales> PIZZA
#1280 [12:43] <Wug> LOU'S
#1281 [12:43] * LinuxGold sips on hot peach tea
#1281 [12:43] <Wug> THIN CRUST
#1282 [12:43] <xales> wtf is Lou's
#1283 [12:43] <LinuxGold> eewww
#1284 [12:43] <Wug> IT'S LIKE SLICES OF HEAVEN
#1285 [12:43] * LinuxGold prefer UNO deep dish pizza
#1285 [12:43] <LinuxGold> :P
#1286 [12:43] <xales> I might get Dominos
#1287 [12:43] <Wug> buffalo chicken toppings.
#1288 [12:43] <xales> I am thirsty
#1289 [12:44] <Wug> lou's isn't a yucky chain place
#1290 [12:44] <xales> I am going to get a drink first
#1291 [12:44] <xales> Dominos isn't yucky
#1292 [12:44] <Wug> it's run by a guy named lou, who is a badass.
#1293 [12:44] <xales> o
#1294 [12:44] <xales> hm
#1295 [12:44] <LinuxGold> classic Chicago style deep dish :P
#1296 [12:44] <xales> LinuxGold: lol chain
#1297 [12:44] <xales> LinuxGold: I can buy those frozen at my grocery
#1298 [12:44] <xales> so
#1299 [12:44] <LinuxGold> lol
#1300 [12:44] <xales> mind = blown
#1301 [12:44] <xales> except not really
#1302 [12:44] <Wug> mmm, mystery meat and plastic wrap toppings
#1303 [12:44] <Wug> real live freezer burn!
#1304 [12:44] <LinuxGold> haha
#1305 [12:45] * xales displaces his theoretical mind-explosion onto Wug's mancrush Lou
#1305 [12:45] <xales> mmmm
#1306 [12:45] <xales> literally Lou's pizza
#1307 [12:45] <xales> with bits of Lou in it
#1308 [12:45] * xales cackle
#1308 [12:45] * xales cackle cackle
#1308 [12:45] <xales> I'm twisted.
#1309 [12:45] <xales> I guess.
#1310 [12:46] * xales segmentation fault (core dumped)
#1310 [12:46] <xales> Kealper: computers don't use segmentation any more
#1311 [12:46] * Wug gdb ./xales
#1311 [12:46] <xales> so why is it called segmentation fault
#1312 [12:46] <xales> go write a Linux kernel patch to change it
#1313 [12:46] <xales> and submit it to lkml
#1314 [12:46] <Kealper> lol
#1315 [12:46] <xales> see what happens
#1316 [12:47] <xales> make it say "you asplode the memory, all your base now belong to kernel"
#1317 [12:47] <Kealper> thousands of angry neckbeards will come to your house and burn it down if you change the name
#1318 [12:47] <xales> maybe
#1319 [12:47] <Wug> oh god
#1320 [12:47] <xales> you'd have to rename SIGSEGV to SIGBOOM
#1321 [12:47] <Wug> the droves of neckbeards
#1322 [12:47] <xales> that would make them mad
#1323 [12:47] * Kealper likes SIGBOOM better anyways
#1323 [12:47] <Wug> you'd drown in a sea of neckbeard
#1324 [12:47] <clarjon1> SIGUSEWINDOWS
#1325 [12:47] <Wug> the neckbeard gods would punish you
#1326 [12:48] <xales> well
#1327 [12:48] <xales> I am now going to go pizza
#1328 [12:48] <clarjon1> SIGMACISBETTER
#1329 [12:48] <Wug> SIGIMPLYINGWINDOWSDOESNTHAVESEGFAULTSTOO
#1330 [12:48] <xales> I forgot I have something I have to do later :(
#1331 [12:48] <xales> so if I do not pizza now
#1332 [12:48] <xales> I won't pizza until like
#1333 [12:48] <xales> dinnertime
#1334 [12:48] <xales> which would be dicks
#1335 [12:48] <Wug> xales: this is a distraction to prevent you from leaving
#1336 [12:48] <clarjon1> xales: this is also a distraction to keep you from leaving.
#1337 [12:48] <xales> I DO NOT FALL FOR IT
#1338 [12:48] * xales detaches
#1338 [12:48] <Wug> if you had an infinite grid of 1 ohm resistors, what would the resistance be between 2 resistors, 3 apart, in an L shape?
#1339 [12:49] <Wug> xales xales xales xales xales
#1340 [12:49] <clarjon1> capital "L" or lowercase "L"
#1341 [12:49] <Wug> I said L not l didn't i
#1342 [12:49] <clarjon1> Cursive, handwritten, times new roman?
#1343 [12:49] <Kealper> lol
#1344 [12:49] <Wug> comic sans
#1345 [12:50] <Wug> bold
#1346 [12:50] <Wug> 38 pt
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#1348 [12:50] * LinuxGold looks at Wug
#1348 [12:51] * Wug looks at LinuxGold in comic sans
#1348 [12:51] <LinuxGold> infinited grid of 1 ohm resistors in series or parallel?
#1349 [12:51] <Wug> YOU ARE NOW READING MY VOICE IN COMIC SANS
#1350 [12:51] <LinuxGold> or both series/parallel?
#1351 [12:51] <LinuxGold> you sound comical
#1352 [12:51] <Wug> it's a grid
#1353 [12:51] <LinuxGold> :P
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#1355 [12:51] <Kealper> i think it would be infinite resistance
#1356 [12:52] <LinuxGold> session server down?
#1357 [12:52] <Kealper> doesn't look like it :o
#1358 [12:53] <LinuxGold> k
#1359 [12:53] <LinuxGold> 1ohm/infinite
#1360 [12:54] <Wug> LinuxGold: http://xkcd.com/356/
#1361 [12:54] <Wug> the answer is 4/pi - 1/2
#1362 [12:54] <LinuxGold> aha!
#1363 [12:54] <LinuxGold> I see your point
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#1365 [12:56] * LinuxGold bookmarks that site
#1365 [12:56] <kameloko> algun español?
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#1367 [12:59] <LinuxGold> http://xkcd.com/730/
#1368 [12:59] <LinuxGold> lol
#1369 [12:59] <Calinou> http://xckd.com/927
#1370 [12:59] <LinuxGold> lol
#1371 [13:02] <LinuxGold> related to minecraft http://xkcd.com/731/
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#1373 [13:03] <LinuxGold> Wug's voice reminds me of this http://xkcd.com/736/
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#1377 [13:12] <tyteen4a03> !login
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#1381 [13:28] <_Giancarlo99> aiuto
#1382 [13:28] <_Giancarlo99> aiutatemi pls
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#1388 [13:36] <sim> Key combination not working ? W + Space * together ? Help needed please
#1389 [13:39] <stupid3700> sim: To jump?
#1390 [13:39] <sim> yes
#1391 [13:39] <stupid3700> sim: Does jumping without moving work?
#1392 [13:39] <sim> jump forward
#1393 [13:40] <sim> over a gap
#1394 [13:40] <sim> yes jumping works
#1395 [13:40] <stupid3700> sim: Does jumping without moving work?
#1396 [13:40] <stupid3700> Okay
#1397 [13:40] <sim> tbut only by itself
#1398 [13:40] <stupid3700> sim: Do you jump at all when trying to jump forward?
#1399 [13:41] <sim> i can not jump and move forward
#1400 [13:41] <stupid3700> sim: Do you jump at all when trying to jump forward?
#1401 [13:41] <sim> if i double hit jump it will work
#1402 [13:41] <stupid3700> sim: You're not answering my question.
#1403 [13:42] <stupid3700> sim: Do you jump at all (even if not forward) when pressing W and space?
#1404 [13:42] <sim> just jump
#1405 [13:42] <stupid3700> sim: Are you trying to do this from standing still? And how large is the gap?
#1406 [13:43] <sim> yes from a standing start
#1407 [13:43] <sim> also it will not work running jump too
#1408 [13:43] <stupid3700> sim: You mean if you sprint and then jump? Explain what actually happens when you try to jump.
#1409 [13:44] <sim> sprint then still sprint... no jump
#1410 [13:44] <Lutzee> sim: Go here, http://www.gigahype.com/nkey-rollover-test-page/
#1411 [13:44] <sim> tok thank you :)
#1412 [13:44] <Lutzee> Click the keyboard and then press keys on your keyboard and tell me how many light up on the on screen keyboard
#1413 [13:45] <sim> tok
#1414 [13:45] <sim> ok
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#1416 [13:48] <sim> looks like all light up
#1417 [13:48] <sim> the ones i click light up
#1418 [13:50] <sim> actually one lights up with a center one lighting up too ?
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#1421 [13:52] <ferensick> hi - I use macbook osx 10.6.8 - and minecraft 1.6.2 - I would like to use mods, however I have no minecraft.jar file like I 'should' have according to forums...
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#1423 [13:53] <ferensick> anyone else have issues installing mods because of a missing minecraft.jar file?
#1424 [13:53] <sim> key combinations work together... but i can not see * W + Spacebar * because it scrolls up the page to quick ly
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#1426 [13:53] <stupid3700> ferensick: We don't provide mod support, but JAR files are in their own folder in the versions folder.
#1427 [13:53] <stupid3700> ferensick: The mod's installation instructions should tell you how to install it.
#1428 [13:53] <ferensick> yeah - definitely not in version folder - will check again though
#1429 [13:53] <ferensick> thanks
#1430 [13:53] <ferensick> there's a version.jar file
#1431 [13:53] <ferensick> 1.6.2.jar
#1432 [13:53] <ferensick> that's it
#1433 [13:54] <Lord_Ralex> ferensick, the guide you are following is outdated
#1434 [13:54] <ferensick> k thanks - I was thinking that as well... do you have any links to newer guides?
#1435 [13:54] <ferensick> for installing mods
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#1437 [13:55] <ferensick> I'm having a hard time with my search results
#1438 [13:55] <Lord_Ralex> ferensick, http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1830511-installing-mods-on-the-new-launcher/#entry22669637 is all the help we can give
#1439 [13:55] <ferensick> k thanks for the help
#1440 [13:55] <ferensick> I appreciate it
#1441 [13:57] <sim> the second green square lights up between ygh letters ???
#1442 [13:58] <sim> Does this mean ghosting and how will i fix ?
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#1445 [14:00] <sim> Im using the Aqua KeyTest now and every combination seems fine... so My keyboard is ok ? So must be a Minecraft bug i think i do not know...
#1446 [14:01] <LinuxGold> that xkcd is addictive
#1447 [14:01] <LinuxGold> closing that site
#1448 [14:05] <sim> Is there anything else i can try to get the combination keys to work together in Minecraft (it looks like my keyboard is working)
#1449 [14:05] <stupid3700> ??> sim win/java/reinst
#1450 [14:05] <VoxelHead> sim: You need to reinstall Java.
#1451 [14:05] <VoxelHead> sim: First, go to the Programs and Features in Control Panel (Add and Remove Programs on XP). Uninstall everything that says Java in the name. Then, go to http://java.com/en/download/manual.jsp re-install Java. See also java/1.6 or java/1.7.
#1452 [14:06] <sim> ok i will do thanks
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#1454 [14:09] <sim> requested CTCP VERSION from sim * sorry I do not understand this or win/java/reinst... but im unistalling all java and will reinstall
#1455 [14:10] <stupid3700> sim: The instructions given by VoxelHead are quite simple.
#1456 [14:11] <stupid3700> sim: Also, when reinstalling Java, get Windows Offline (64-bit).
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#1458 [14:12] <sim> ok java 64 bit i will do thanks :)
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#1461 [14:14] <luidd> what to do if i dont know my password anymore and my e-mail account (to reset the pswd) isnt existing anymore?
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#1463 [14:18] <sim> I have installed Java 7 update 40 (64 bit) There was two versions installed before... But Key combination in Minecraft still not working ?
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#1465 [14:21] <tyteen4a03> luidd, how did you pay for Minecraft?
#1466 [14:29] <luidd> via paypal... (germany...)
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#1483 [14:47] <RennyOfYore> My Girlfriend has lost her password, and Mojang is not emailing her the reset, is there a number to call for help?
#1484 [14:49] <ConcernedHobbit> You can email support at support@mojang.com
#1485 [14:49] <ConcernedHobbit> Please also visit http://help.mojang.com for additional information
#1486 [14:50] <stupid3700> RennyOfYore: Though you'll probably need the transaction ID. If you don't have it, please look at the following article
#1487 [14:50] <stupid3700> ??> RennyOfYore transactionid
#1488 [14:50] <VoxelHead> RennyOfYore: How to find your Transaction ID: http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/361380-what-is-a-transaction-id-
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#1490 [14:52] <RennyOfYore> Well, I gifted her an account months ago now, and with the new launcher it asked her to re enter her pasword. We have emailed support, and done the password reset option, but still have not recived anything back from either.
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#1493 [14:52] <tyteen4a03> RennyOfYore, when did you email Mojang
#1494 [14:52] <tyteen4a03> ?
#1495 [14:53] <RennyOfYore> a few days ago
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#1497 [14:53] <tyteen4a03> RennyOfYore, it takes at least 1 to 2 business days for them to respond to queries, and it is already off work hour here in Sweden
#1498 [14:53] <tyteen4a03> RennyOfYore, they should reply next Monday or so
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#1500 [14:55] <RennyOfYore> ok
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#1506 [15:04] <Tayrun> Hey gang. Hoping someone can help me with a server configuration problem. I've got two machines on the same router, both can use the internet fine. I want to host a server on one which my friends can connect to over the internet, and use the other machine to connect to that server.
#1507 [15:04] <Tayrun> Server seems to be up and running fine. I'm pretty sure I've got the ports forwarded correctly.
#1508 [15:04] <Tayrun> Nobody can connect to the server via the internet, and I can't access it from the other computer on the same router using localhost as a direct connect.
#1509 [15:04] <Tayrun> So ... :/
#1510 [15:05] <Tayrun> Definitely fucked up something somewhere, any ideas?
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#1518 [15:07] <Wug> Tayrun: localhost is only for connecting to "this computer"
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#1520 [15:07] <Wug> you'd want to use the lan address for connecting over the lan
#1521 [15:07] <Tayrun> Ugh, duh. Okay that's me being stupid, yes.
#1522 [15:08] <Wug> as for users on the internet, have you forwarded any ports
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#1524 [15:08] <sim> You know the problem I had with combination keys ? And we tried reinstalling Java ?
#1525 [15:08] <Tayrun> I forwarded 25565, and had the router assign it to the computer that's the server.
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#1527 [15:09] <sim> I found out solution of combination keys not working... I have Key Scrabbler switched ON !!! :)
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#1530 [15:12] <Tayrun> Huh. Okay the router and the server disagree about the server's LAN ip.
#1531 [15:12] <Tayrun> :/
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#1534 [15:14] <Wug> the computer is probably right
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#1536 [15:16] <Tayrun> Yeah, using the computer's one I can now connect over the lan.
#1537 [15:16] <Tayrun> Testing externals now.
#1538 [15:17] <Wug> externals may not work from inside the lan
#1539 [15:17] <Wug> some routers dont like to do that
#1540 [15:17] <Wug> !check 94-193-253-58.zone7.bethere.co.uk
#1541 [15:17] <Tayrun> I'm asking a friend to connect.
#1542 [15:17] <Tayrun> From elsewhere.
#1543 [15:17] <Wug> seems to work fine though
#1544 [15:18] <Wug> Tayrun: that's your server
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#1546 [15:19] <Jovi> Hellow, someone speaks spanish?/Alguno habla español o catalan?
#1547 [15:19] <Jovi> I need help whit I have a problem of the Libreries of the game and the posts don't help me much
#1548 [15:20] <Wug> Jovi: soy capaz de leer con calma
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#1550 [15:20] <Jovi> al iniciar el launcher del 1.6.2 desde anoche me da errores
#1551 [15:21] <Jovi> son similares a los de este post http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1919293-minecraft-forge-job-version-libraries-finished-with-2-failures-error/
#1552 [15:21] <Jovi> pero no he conseguido solucionarlo
#1553 [15:21] <Jovi> me preguntaba si aqui prodriais ayudarme ^^
#1554 [15:21] <Sirmyself> Hi, I try to log in my minecraft account on minecraft.net but I can't because it says "Oops, unknown username or password. If you are logging in with a Mojang account make sure to use your e-mail address as username."
#1555 [15:21] <ConcernedHobbit> This is not a channel for modded Minecraft
#1556 [15:21] <Tayrun> Yup, working now. Thanks Wug. :)
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#1558 [15:22] <ConcernedHobbit> Please direct your attention to #minecraftforge
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#1560 [15:22] <ConcernedHobbit> Sirmyself, please check your caps lock is off and you are using your email account if you have a Mojang account
#1561 [15:22] <Sirmyself> how do I do it?
#1562 [15:22] <Sirmyself> it's all ok for the caps lock
#1563 [15:23] <Jovi> Wug me leiste?
#1564 [15:23] <Wug> Jovi: Forge es un mod, no ayudamos con mods en este canal. Trate #forge
#1565 [15:24] <ConcernedHobbit> Wug, wrong channel. #minecraftforge
#1566 [15:24] <Jovi> vale muchas gracias
#1567 [15:24] <Jovi> #forge
#1568 [15:24] <Wug> Jovi: #minecraftforge
#1569 [15:24] <Jovi> ups xd
#1570 [15:24] <ConcernedHobbit> #minecraftforge
#1571 [15:24] <Wug> herp derp
#1572 [15:24] <Jovi> #minecraftforge
#1573 [15:24] <Jovi> no me manda al forge...e.e
#1574 [15:24] <Wug> you don't have to say the name to join it
#1575 [15:25] <Wug> Jovi: /join #minecraftforge
#1576 [15:26] <Jovi> Jovi: #minecraftforge
#1577 [15:26] <Jovi> aa ok
#1578 [15:26] <Jovi> xDD
#1579 [15:26] <Jovi> soy novato con esto
#1580 [15:26] <Jovi> gracias
#1581 [15:27] <Sirmyself> I also tried to change the password, and when I'm done, and the site says "password changed succesfuly" but it doesn't work
#1582 [15:27] <stupid3700> Sirmyself: Have you been trying to login a lot?
#1583 [15:28] <Jovi> wug me dice lo siguiente que hago?: #minecraftforge Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services
#1584 [15:28] <Sirmyself> yes and always with the same damn "good" password
#1585 [15:28] <ConcernedHobbit> Jovi, you need to register yourself with NickServ
#1586 [15:28] <stupid3700> ??> Sirmyself login/throttle
#1587 [15:28] <VoxelHead> Sirmyself: Your login is most likely being throttled, which will prevent you from logging in.
#1588 [15:28] <VoxelHead> Sirmyself: You will have to wait about 3 hours without logging in for it to reset, at which time you can try to log back in.
#1589 [15:28] <Wug> Jovi: /msg nickserv help register
#1590 [15:28] <Wug> y, translate.google.com
#1591 [15:28] <Jovi> okei thanks u
#1592 [15:29] <Sirmyself> I just bought my account, it's kind a dull it doesn't work
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#1602 [15:53] <Guthrie> Hi,I'd like to get a refund for minecraft
#1603 [15:53] <Lord_Ralex> ??> Guthrie refund
#1604 [15:53] <VoxelHead> Guthrie: This is Mojang's refund policy: http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/359338-mojang-refunds-policy
#1605 [15:53] <Guthrie> i know,i read it.
#1606 [15:53] <Guthrie> the game's not working
#1607 [15:53] <Lord_Ralex> Guthrie, then do what it says to get one, if you do qualify
#1608 [15:53] <Lord_Ralex> Guthrie, we are not Mojang, we cannot help with refunds
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#1613 [15:58] <Tytastic> I need help when I get on servers I get this message Java.net.socket exception software caused connection abort: recv faild how do I fix it
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#1615 [16:00] <Extreme> Tytastic: try a different server
#1616 [16:00] <Tytastic> It does not matter what server I am on it kicks me off and shows that message.
#1617 [16:01] <Extreme> Tytastic: Disable your antiviruses and firewalls
#1618 [16:02] <Tytastic> I had been fine until about 2 weeks ago and my firewalls and antiviruses have always been up.
#1619 [16:03] <Extreme> tell me when you've done that
#1620 [16:06] <Tytastic> Why do I need to turn them of
#1621 [16:07] <Calinou> because they may do stuff with your internet connection, of course
#1622 [16:07] <Tytastic> I have crap internet
#1623 [16:08] <Tytastic> But I have never had problems like this.
#1624 [16:08] <Extreme> Tytastic: because I asked you to, mostly that error is caused by one or the other
#1625 [16:08] <LinuxGold> Tytastic: as part of troubleshooting technique
#1626 [16:10] <Tytastic> I have shut off the firewall but I don't know how to shut off my antiviruses.
#1627 [16:11] <Extreme> Tytastic: well, what are you using specifically?
#1628 [16:11] <Tytastic> avast
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#1630 [16:12] <Extreme> Tytastic: that should be fine
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#1632 [16:12] <Extreme> Tytastic: ate you sure you disabled your firewalls?
#1633 [16:12] <Extreme> are*
#1634 [16:13] <Tytastic> it says they are off
#1635 [16:13] <Extreme> Tytastic: okay, now see if you can reproduce the issue
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#1637 [16:16] <Tytastic> At the moment it seems fine.
#1638 [16:16] <Tytastic> Could firewalls make so I can't host a server?
#1639 [16:17] <Tytastic> I just got the java.net.socket message.
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#1643 [16:26] <Extreme> Tytastic: Yes, and if you have a router you will need to port-forward.
#1644 [16:27] <Tytastic> I have tried to port-forward but I don't know if I am doing it right
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#1652 [16:31] <mkrosa> ok so i am getting a errror with my graphics driver
#1653 [16:31] <Extreme> ??> mkrosa hopper/dxdiag
#1654 [16:31] <VoxelHead> mkrosa: Follow the instructions here: http://hopper.minecraft.net/help/pixel-format-not-accelerated/support/
#1655 [16:31] <mkrosa> i did
#1656 [16:31] <Extreme> mkrosa: then give us the link
#1657 [16:31] <mkrosa> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/c3fb3695f257c24eb220
#1658 [16:32] <Extreme> mkrosa: download and install:
#1659 [16:32] <Extreme> ??> mkrosa gpu/amd/win6.2
#1660 [16:32] <VoxelHead> mkrosa: http://www2.ati.com/drivers/beta/amd_catalyst_13.4_legacy_beta_vista_win7_win8.exe as of 25 Aug 2013
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#1662 [16:33] <mkrosa> alright it should work after??
#1663 [16:33] <Extreme> mkrosa: generally, yes
#1664 [16:33] <mkrosa> alright ill let you kow
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#1666 [16:37] <Tinbobcan> Where can I find a list of DataTags used for the /summon command?
#1667 [16:37] <Tinbobcan> Where can I find a list of DataTags used for the /summon command?
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#1671 [16:41] <Extreme> Tinbobcan: only six datatags for /summon, http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Command_NBT_Tags
#1672 [16:42] <Tinbobcan> I saw that, it isn't exactly complete though. Is there a way to find it in the code for the game somehow?
#1673 [16:42] <Extreme> No.
#1674 [16:43] <Extreme> That would require the you to decompile the source and ect, outside the scope of this channel.
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#1678 [16:47] <Tinbobcan> Any suggestions on how to find the DataTags?
#1679 [16:48] <Extreme> Tinbobcan: I gave you the list
#1680 [16:48] <Tinbobcan> Unless I am mistaken, there are others that are not on it.
#1681 [16:48] <bib> Hi. When I installed minecraft it worked but the date graphic driver needs update. When I updated it, it said I had the latest version. What should I do. The Mojang website said to us gist so https://gist.github.com/anonymous/58338433ee746edb1d5f
#1682 [16:49] <Extreme> bib: one moment
#1683 [16:49] <Extreme> bib: that computer is very old
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#1685 [16:49] <Tinbobcan> Oh, I found it here: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Chunk_format#Entity_Format Thanks,
#1686 [16:49] <bib> I know
#1687 [16:50] <Lord_Ralex> bib, that computer cannot play Minecraft
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#1690 [16:50] <bib> oh. Thanks for trying though
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#1693 [16:53] <Tinbobcan> Is it possible to change the explosion radius for TNT using the /summon command? I could not find a DataTag for it.
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#1696 [16:58] <MIGUEL> MINECRAFT
#1697 [16:58] <MIGUEL> HELP
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#1699 [16:59] <Extreme> MIGUEL: what?
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#1701 [17:00] <legerdyl1> Minecraft keeps running out of memory, I already set more RAM and reinstaled the newest version of Java
#1702 [17:00] <Tinbobcan> Lowering your render distance may help.
#1703 [17:01] <legerdyl1> I already did that and it didn't help
#1704 [17:02] <Tinbobcan> How much RAM is allocated?
#1705 [17:02] <legerdyl1> 1600M
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#1707 [17:03] <xales> legerdyl1: Do you have 64-bit Java installed?
#1708 [17:03] <Extreme> legerdyl1: see: http://hopper.minecraft.net/help/out-of-memory/
#1709 [17:03] <legerdyl1> No I have 32-bit
#1710 [17:03] <MrPopo> Hi
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#1712 [17:03] <xales> legerdyl1: That's why you're running out of memory.
#1713 [17:03] <stupid3700> xales: He's got XP 32-bit
#1714 [17:03] <xales> MrPopo: Hello.
#1715 [17:03] <MrPopo> Can someone answer me a question?
#1716 [17:03] <xales> MrPopo: Only if you ask it.
#1717 [17:03] <MrPopo> XD
#1718 [17:03] <xales> legerdyl1: Your system doesn't have enough memory, then.
#1719 [17:03] <MrPopo> i have problems conecting to my mojang account
#1720 [17:04] <xales> legerdyl1: (Also, the ceiling of what 32-bit systems can allocate to Java is 1.5GB)
#1721 [17:04] <MrPopo> i introduce my e-mail and pw
#1722 [17:04] <MrPopo> and it doesn't go in
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#1724 [17:04] <xales> MrPopo: "Doesn't go in"?
#1725 [17:04] <xales> MrPopo: You mean nothing appears in the box?
#1726 [17:04] <legerdyl1> I'll try and lower it, Thanks :-)
#1727 [17:04] <MrPopo> it says and error ocurred
#1728 [17:05] <MrPopo> and my e-mail is not recorded
#1729 [17:05] <MrPopo> but when i called for a pw reset it send an e-mail
#1730 [17:05] <MrPopo> to my actual e-mail account
#1731 [17:05] <Madfluff1234> hi
#1732 [17:05] <xales> MrPopo: Does it say what the error is?
#1733 [17:05] <xales> Madfluff1234: Hello.
#1734 [17:06] <Madfluff1234> i need some help
#1735 [17:06] <xales> Madfluff1234: Yes, why else would you be here?
#1736 [17:06] <xales> Madfluff1234: Perhaps if you tell us what the problem is, as specifically as possible, then someone can help you.
#1737 [17:06] <MrPopo> it says: Error!unknown e-mail or password
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#1739 [17:07] <xales> MrPopo: Then your email or password is wrong.
#1740 [17:07] <MrPopo> yeah but
#1741 [17:07] <MrPopo> mojang send me and e-mail
#1742 [17:07] <MrPopo> to reset the pw
#1743 [17:07] <MrPopo> so thats the correct e-mail
#1744 [17:07] <MrPopo> and i reset the pw
#1745 [17:07] <MrPopo> so the pw is right too
#1746 [17:07] <Bugboy1028> #scrollshelp
#1747 [17:07] <Bugboy1028> #scrollshelp
#1748 [17:07] <xales> Bugboy1028: wat
#1749 [17:07] <Bugboy1028> ...
#1750 [17:08] <Bugboy1028> DAmn it
#1751 [17:08] <xales> MrPopo: Can you log in at https://account.mojang.com/me ?
#1752 [17:08] <MrPopo> im trying to log form there
#1753 [17:08] <MrPopo> from*
#1754 [17:08] <Madfluff1234> I didnt type the stuff above, but that's my username, Madfluff1234
#1755 [17:08] <xales> Madfluff1234: What exactly is the problem you are having?
#1756 [17:08] <xales> Madfluff1234: Keep in mind there are other people here.
#1757 [17:09] <xales> Madfluff1234: Messages to you will begin with your name, just like this one.
#1758 [17:09] <xales> ??> MrPopo login/throttled
#1759 [17:09] <xales> wat
#1760 [17:09] <xales> ??> MrPopo login/throttle
#1761 [17:09] <VoxelHead> MrPopo: Your login is most likely being throttled, which will prevent you from logging in.
#1762 [17:09] <VoxelHead> MrPopo: You will have to wait about 3 hours without logging in for it to reset, at which time you can try to log back in.
#1763 [17:09] <MrPopo> aff really?
#1764 [17:09] <Madfluff1234> I have a username from my ipod minecraft and just bought minecraft for my computer. i am trying to take me username from the ipod to the computer, but it says my password is wrond
#1765 [17:09] <MrPopo> why?
#1766 [17:10] <MrPopo> actually i can't play either
#1767 [17:10] <xales> Madfluff1234: You only use that to import a Minecraft username that you previously had on the computer.
#1768 [17:10] <Bugboy1028> Madfluff1234, ipod minecraft =/= computer minecraft
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#1770 [17:10] <xales> MrPopo: Because you tried to log in too many times.
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#1772 [17:11] <MrPopo> kay ill wait...
#1773 [17:11] <Madfluff1234> i dont understand what you mean
#1774 [17:11] <MrPopo> thnx
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#1776 [17:12] <xales> Madfluff1234: You can only import the username from a COMPUTER account.
#1777 [17:12] <xales> Madfluff1234: Since your username is for the iPod version, you cannot import it.
#1778 [17:12] <Madfluff1234> what does this mean that you typed ipod minecraft =/= computer minecraft
#1779 [17:12] <xales> Madfluff1234: Ignore that.
#1780 [17:12] <Madfluff1234> so i have to make a new username?
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#1783 [17:13] <landon_> help
#1784 [17:13] <xales> Madfluff1234: You can use the same one, if it's not taken. You just put it in the "I want to use this username" box.
#1785 [17:13] <xales> landon_: Did you even bother to read the messages sent to you when you joined?
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#1787 [17:13] <landon_> yes
#1788 [17:14] <xales> landon_: What part of "Do not just say 'I need help'" did you not understand?
#1789 [17:14] <xales> landon_: If you want us to help you, you have to say EXACTLY what the problem is.
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#1792 [17:15] <landon_> minecraft is not work
#1793 [17:15] <stupid3700> landon_: That tells us a lot.
#1794 [17:15] <stupid3700> ??> landon_ scold/telepathy
#1795 [17:15] <VoxelHead> landon_: We are not telepathic, we cannot determine through divination what your problem is, we can be of no use to you unless you describe to us, in detail, exactly what problem you are having. How can we help you?
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#1808 [17:23] <Flea> I have a server I downloaded from Minecraft.net and I'm trying to whitelist players, but it will only let Opped players join when the whitelist is on, even if they're on the whitelist. What am I doing wrong?
#1809 [17:23] <stupid3700> Flea: Do /whitelist reload then /whitelist list
#1810 [17:23] <stupid3700> Flea: Are the expected players there?
#1811 [17:24] <Flea> yes, but they're names are lowercased
#1812 [17:24] <Flea> their*
#1813 [17:24] <stupid3700> Flea: And can they join now that you've done /whitelist reload ?
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#1815 [17:25] <Flea> Uh... Give me 3 minutes
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#1818 [17:26] <losticks> lag
#1819 [17:26] <xales> losticks: What?
#1820 [17:26] <only1gamer> i keep on getting this error
#1821 [17:26] <only1gamer> about bootstrap what do i do?
#1822 [17:27] <xales> only1gamer: Copy the entire error to http://pastie.org/ and give us the link to it
#1823 [17:28] <Flea> @stupid3700 it works now
#1824 [17:28] <Flea> Thank you!
#1825 [17:28] <stupid3700> Flea: No problem.
#1826 [17:28] <only1gamer> ok xales i did it
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#1828 [17:29] <xales> only1gamer: Part of the instructions were give us the link to it
#1829 [17:29] <xales> only1gamer: You did not do that.
#1830 [17:29] <only1gamer> how do i get the link?
#1831 [17:29] <stupid3700> only1gamer: Copy it from the address bar.
#1832 [17:30] <only1gamer> minecraft launcher
#1833 [17:30] <stupid3700> only1gamer: Copy the link to the Pastie from the address bar.
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#1835 [17:30] <xales> only1gamer: The link we are looking for is the one that looks like this: pastie.org/fawerfv
#1836 [17:31] <only1gamer> http://pastie.org/8323989
#1837 [17:31] <xales> ??> only1gamer win/java/reinst
#1838 [17:31] <VoxelHead> only1gamer: You need to reinstall Java.
#1839 [17:31] <VoxelHead> only1gamer: First, go to the Programs and Features in Control Panel (Add and Remove Programs on XP). Uninstall everything that says Java in the name. Then, go to http://java.com/en/download/manual.jsp re-install Java. See also java/1.6 or java/1.7.
#1840 [17:31] <xales> stupid3700: I will leave this to you, I am going to go get a burger
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#1842 [17:32] <only1gamer> wats the latest java?
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#1844 [17:32] <stupid3700> only1gamer: Follow VoxelHead's instructions.
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#1846 [17:33] <Madfluff1234> i purchased minecraft for the computer, made my username, went to account, download game, and a box popped up with a bunch of script stuff in it
#1847 [17:33] <Madfluff1234> i dont know what to do to get the game to play
#1848 [17:33] <stupid3700> Madfluff1234: Please copy the whole contents of that box and paste it on Gist.
#1849 [17:33] <stupid3700> ??> Madfluff1234 gist
#1850 [17:33] <VoxelHead> Madfluff1234: Github Gist is a service run at https://gist.github.com/ which facilitates the sharing of information without flooding IRC channels. Paste your text there, click Create Secret Gist, and give us the URL the site takes you to, and we can see what you have put there.
#1851 [17:33] <Madfluff1234> WHAT?!?!?!?
#1852 [17:34] <stupid3700> Madfluff1234: Please copy the whole contents of that box and paste it on Gist.
#1853 [17:34] <Bugboy1028> Please do not yell.
#1854 [17:34] <Madfluff1234> i already closed it, the box said PLAY at the bottom, when i pressed it, nothing happened
#1855 [17:34] <stupid3700> ??> Madfluff1234 devconsole
#1856 [17:34] <VoxelHead> Madfluff1234: We need to see what is in your Development Console, which can be found on the second tab of the launcher.
#1857 [17:34] <VoxelHead> Madfluff1234: First, copy all of the text. Then, go to https://gist.github.com/ and paste it. Click Create Secret Gist. Then share with us the link that it takes you to.
#1858 [17:35] <stupid3700> Madfluff1234: And do that after you press play.
#1859 [17:35] <Madfluff1234> i dont know what this gist is
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#1861 [17:35] <stupid3700> Madfluff1234: A text-sharing site/
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#1863 [17:35] <stupid3700> Madfluff1234: 'Github Gist is a service run at https://gist.github.com/ which facilitates the sharing of information without flooding IRC channels.'
#1864 [17:35] <only1gamer> the latest java is version 7 right
#1865 [17:35] <stupid3700> only1gamer: Yes, get Windows Offline (64-bit).
#1866 [17:36] <Madfluff1234> stupid3700, you're a little too advanced for me
#1867 [17:36] <stupid3700> Madfluff1234: It's very simple.
#1868 [17:36] <Madfluff1234> onlygamer, yes, just downloaded new java
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#1870 [17:36] <stupid3700> Madfluff1234: Just follow the instructions.
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#1873 [17:37] <stupid3700> Madfluff1234: And use Ctrl+A and Ctrl+C to copy from the development console (because it doesn't let you right-click).
#1874 [17:37] <Madfluff1234> voxelhead, do you want me to copy/paste my 2nd tb
#1875 [17:37] <Madfluff1234> tab
#1876 [17:37] <stupid3700> Madfluff1234: Yes, copy the contents of the second tab.
#1877 [17:37] <stupid3700> Madfluff1234: The 'Development Console' tab.
#1878 [17:38] <Madfluff1234> Refreshing local version list... Launcher 1.2.3 (through bootstrap 5) started on windows... Current time is Sep 13, 2013 5:35:25 PM System.getProperty('os.name') == 'Windows XP' System.getProperty('os.version') == '5.1' System.getProperty('os.arch') == 'x86' System.getProperty('java.version') == '1.7.0_40' System.getProperty('java.vendor') == 'Oracle Corporation' System.getProperty('sun.arch.data.model') == '32' Refresh
#1879 [17:38] <stupid3700> ??> Madfluff1234 gist
#1880 [17:38] <VoxelHead> Madfluff1234: Github Gist is a service run at https://gist.github.com/ which facilitates the sharing of information without flooding IRC channels. Paste your text there, click Create Secret Gist, and give us the URL the site takes you to, and we can see what you have put there.
#1881 [17:38] <stupid3700> Madfluff1234: Use Gist, don't paste it directly in here.
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#1883 [17:38] <Madfluff1234> i cant do all that creating secret gist
#1884 [17:38] <only1gamer> then start minecraft right after it finishes?
#1885 [17:39] <stupid3700> Madfluff1234: You go to the website, then paste it in the big box, then click 'Create Secret Gist'.
#1886 [17:39] <stupid3700> Madfluff1234: You then copy the link in your address bar and paste it here for us.
#1887 [17:40] <Madfluff1234> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/ca2a995f96f3a1d5e541
#1888 [17:40] <Madfluff1234> i dont know if thats what youre getting at
#1889 [17:40] <Madfluff1234> but theres my attempt
#1890 [17:40] <only1gamer> do i start up minecraft now?
#1891 [17:40] <stupid3700> Madfluff1234: Thank you.
#1892 [17:40] <stupid3700> Madfluff1234: Could you please now open C:\Documents and Settings\HP_Owner\Application Data\.minecraft\hs_err_pid3752.log and paste its contents on Gist too?
#1893 [17:41] <Madfluff1234> dont know how
#1894 [17:41] <stupid3700> Madfluff1234: Alright, go to Start > My Computer.
#1895 [17:41] <stupid3700> Madfluff1234: In fact, why am I saying that?
#1896 [17:41] <stupid3700> ??> Madfluff1234 win/.minecraft
#1897 [17:41] <VoxelHead> Madfluff1234: To get at Minecraft's locally stored files on Windows, press Win+R, and in the window that appears, type %AppData%\.minecraft and click OK.
#1898 [17:41] <stupid3700> Madfluff1234: Instead, follow those instructions ^
#1899 [17:42] <Madfluff1234> where is the win button
#1900 [17:42] <stupid3700> ??> Madfluff1234 win/key
#1901 [17:42] <VoxelHead> Madfluff1234: Hold down the Windows key (between Control and Alt, usually to the left of the space bar), and then press the other specified key. Think of it as typing a capital letter, but using that key instead of Shift.
#1902 [17:43] <only1gamer> this still shows up http://pastie.org/8323989 even though i reinstalled it
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#1904 [17:43] <Madfluff1234> ok i did that
#1905 [17:43] <stupid3700> Madfluff1234: Now type in %appdata%\.minecraft
#1906 [17:43] <stupid3700> Madfluff1234: Then click 'OK'.
#1907 [17:43] <Madfluff1234> ok did
#1908 [17:43] <Madfluff1234> now what, a bunch of files and folders come up
#1909 [17:43] <stupid3700> Madfluff1234: Now find hs_err_pid3752.log
#1910 [17:44] <Madfluff1234> ok found it
#1911 [17:44] <stupid3700> Madfluff1234: Open it and copy everything in that file.
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#1913 [17:45] <stupid3700> Madfluff1234: Then paste it on Gist, Create Secret Gist and give us the link.
#1914 [17:46] <Madfluff1234> so do i need to make a new gist, i cant find where to paste on the one ive already used
#1915 [17:46] <xales> only1gamer: If it still says that, then you did not reinstall Java
#1916 [17:46] <stupid3700> Madfluff1234: Just go back to https://gist.github.com/
#1917 [17:47] <Madfluff1234> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/68fac427df8008fdbf2b
#1918 [17:47] <Madfluff1234> this is making me want to cry
#1919 [17:48] <stupid3700> ??> Madfluff1234 hopper/dxdiag
#1920 [17:48] <VoxelHead> Madfluff1234: Follow the instructions here: http://hopper.minecraft.net/help/pixel-format-not-accelerated/support/
#1921 [17:48] <Extreme> Madfluff1234: exactly what I thought, sis card
#1922 [17:48] <Madfluff1234> can i close down the gists
#1923 [17:48] <Extreme> Madfluff1234: your computer is too old
#1924 [17:48] <only1gamer> i did uninstall java
#1925 [17:49] <xales> only1gamer: Did you install every Java?
#1926 [17:49] <Madfluff1234> so what can i do? what are the instructions on hopper for?
#1927 [17:49] <only1gamer> EVERY!?!?!?! i didint know that
#1928 [17:49] <xales> Madfluff1234: Your computer is very, very old.
#1929 [17:49] <stupid3700> Madfluff1234: Disregard those instructions.
#1930 [17:49] <xales> only1gamer: That is what the instructions said.
#1931 [17:49] <stupid3700> <+Extreme> Madfluff1234: your computer is too old
#1932 [17:50] <only1gamer> then i miss read then -.-
#1933 [17:50] <xales> Madfluff1234: You would need to buy a brand new computer if you wanted to play Minecraft.
#1934 [17:50] <Madfluff1234> so i cannot update in any manner?
#1935 [17:50] <xales> Madfluff1234: Only by buying a new computer.
#1936 [17:50] <xales> Madfluff1234: The actual physical pieces in your computer are too old to run Minecraft (or any modern game0
#1937 [17:50] <Madfluff1234> ive already bought the game, well, my 10 yr old son bought it, can i somehow get a refund
#1938 [17:51] <xales> Madfluff1234: You can ask, but there is obligation for them to give you one.
#1939 [17:51] <stupid3700> Madfluff1234: Refund policy: https://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/359338
#1940 [17:51] <Madfluff1234> he will be so upset
#1941 [17:51] <Madfluff1234> i cant believe it's too old
#1942 [17:52] <Madfluff1234> it does everything we've ever tried, why cant it be updated
#1943 [17:52] <Bugboy1028> Madfluff1234, does you have iPod/iPhone/iPad?
#1944 [17:52] <xales> Madfluff1234: Computer hardware has a relatively short lifetime (10 years at most)
#1945 [17:52] <Bugboy1028> or Android phone
#1946 [17:52] <xales> Madfluff1234: Upgrading it is possible, but it would cost more than just buying a new computer.
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#1948 [17:53] <only1gamer> how do i get the older versions
#1949 [17:53] <xales> only1gamer: You do not get older versions
#1950 [17:53] <xales> only1gamer: You need to have ONLY one Java
#1951 [17:53] <xales> only1gamer: The the ONE Java has to be the newest one
#1952 [17:54] <only1gamer> u said i needed every java
#1953 [17:54] <xales> only1gamer: You need to REMOVE every Java.
#1954 [17:55] <xales> only1gamer: You then need to INSTALL the NEWEST Java
#1955 [17:55] <only1gamer> i did
#1956 [17:55] <xales> only1gamer: Then Minecraft would work
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#1958 [17:55] <only1gamer> i went to program and features and searched java and there isnt java anymore
#1959 [17:56] <only1gamer> then i reinstall and still doesnt work
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#1961 [17:57] <xales> only1gamer: Are you using Kaspersky?
#1962 [17:57] <only1gamer> ??? wats that
#1963 [17:58] <xales> only1gamer: It's a security/antivirus program
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#1965 [17:58] <omni> has there been any indication as to when 1.7 will be released?
#1966 [17:58] <only1gamer> nope
#1967 [17:58] <omni> poo
#1968 [17:58] <xales> omni: Only the things that have been said publicly on Twitter.
#1969 [17:58] <omni> thanks anyway :)
#1970 [17:58] <stupid3700> omni: But there are snapshots for you to try.
#1971 [17:59] <Bugboy1028> I thinks I have prediction for Minecraft 1.7
#1972 [17:59] <omni> xales: what did they say publicly on Twitter?
#1973 [17:59] <xales> omni: Look and see
#1974 [17:59] <Bugboy1028> Halloween update?
#1975 [17:59] <xales> only1gamer: You either did not reinstall Java correctly, or you have Kaspersky Antivirus installed.
#1976 [17:59] <Bugboy1028> :<
#1977 [17:59] <only1gamer> ok
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#1979 [18:00] <only1gamer> how do i install java correctly?
#1980 [18:00] <hiuok> i come say hi
#1981 [18:00] <hiuok> okay bye
#1982 [18:00] <omni> xales, nah way too much fluff on the mojang twitter feed, was hoping someone knew
#1983 [18:00] <omni> thanks anyway :)
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#1996 [18:34] <Guest73187> minecraft wont download
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#1998 [18:34] <tyteen4a03> Guest73187, what happens when you try>
#1999 [18:35] <Guest73187> program files wont load
#2000 [18:36] <Guest73187> keeps saying faild to genterate new propitires
#2001 [18:37] <Guest73187> also if i log in the downlaod option wont even be there
#2002 [18:37] <tyteen4a03> Guest73187, in where?
#2003 [18:37] <tyteen4a03> Guest73187, the developmental console?
#2004 [18:39] <Guest73187> in the minecraft sever it says genterating new propities then it just repeats the same ones over and over again
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#2008 [18:40] <tyteen4a03> Guest73187, Minecraft server console? Just wondering, are you running as Administrator?
#2009 [18:40] <tyteen4a03> Guest73187, also, can you paste the server console's output to gist?
#2010 [18:40] <tyteen4a03> ??> Guest73187 gist
#2011 [18:40] <VoxelHead> Guest73187: Github Gist is a service run at https://gist.github.com/ which facilitates the sharing of information without flooding IRC channels. Paste your text there, click Create Secret Gist, and give us the URL the site takes you to, and we can see what you have put there.
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#2022 [18:53] <xales> tyteen4a03: that's one of those morons that runs the server trying to play Minecraft
#2023 [18:54] <xales> tyteen4a03: it says "failed to generate new server.properties" because they run it in from IE using "Run" and it can't write to it's diectory
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#2026 [18:54] <tyteen4a03> xales, ok
#2027 [18:54] <tyteen4a03> xales, noted
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#2036 [19:02] <DopeGhoti> xales: "its".
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#2038 [19:03] <xales> DopeGhoti: No, I fully intended to say "it is directory"
#2039 [19:03] <xales> :>
#2040 [19:03] <LinuxGold> 'Tis brillig and the slithy toves...
#2041 [19:03] <LinuxGold> 'Twas
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#2052 [19:12] <Revelation909> Hey my stupid norton program is preventing me to open my lan worlds. How can I fix it?
#2053 [19:12] <stupid3700> ??> Revelation909 fubar/norton
#2054 [19:12] <VoxelHead> Revelation909: Norton's Antivirus program and firewall are known to interfere with Minecraft's login and server-joining process. Currently the only way to fix it is to uninstall it. We recommend Avast! AntiVirus as an alternative. See ?? win/avast
#2055 [19:13] <stupid3700> Revelation909: Get rid of Norton and replace it with something like Avast
#2056 [19:13] <Revelation909> what? the last time I unindtalled it I got a virus and had to wipe out my pc
#2057 [19:14] <xales> Revelation909: Then replace it with something else, and don't download things that contain malware.
#2058 [19:14] <Revelation909> I don't it downloaded automaticly
#2059 [19:14] <xales> Revelation909: Things can't just "automatically" download.
#2060 [19:15] <Revelation909> yeah they can they will ping your pc download it to ur hard drive
#2061 [19:15] <xales> Revelation909: No, they can't.
#2062 [19:15] <Revelation909> yeah they can
#2063 [19:15] <stupid3700> Revelation909: You'd only get malware that way if you already had malware in the first place.
#2064 [19:15] <xales> Revelation909: And you know this based on what?
#2065 [19:16] <Revelation909> because It happend and after that I called Norton customer service and they told me.
#2066 [19:17] <xales> Revelation909: Norton Custom Support knows nothing. That's why they are customer support.
#2067 [19:17] <xales> Revelation909: I have spent time professionally researching malware. I think I would know how it works.
#2068 [19:17] <Revelation909> whatever
#2069 [19:17] <Revelation909> whatever
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#2071 [19:19] <tyteen4a03> xales, in case of stubborn people, reversetrolling
#2072 [19:20] <tyteen4a03> xales, it will save you frustration if you cba to explain
#2073 [19:20] * jefe_ is now known as jefe|riddick
#2074 [19:20] <xales> tyteen4a03: I enjoy doing this :D
#2075 [19:20] <xales> and now they are banned
#2076 [19:21] <tyteen4a03> xales, oh ok
#2077 [19:21] <tyteen4a03> xales, well, "comcastbusiness"
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#2079 [19:22] <xales> and hence my responce
#2080 [19:22] <xales> 19:18:02 <VoxelHead> New ban: *!*@173-163-158-17-cpennsylvania2.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (Uninstall Norton.)
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#2082 [19:25] <tyteen4a03> xales, fair enough
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#2087 [19:33] <vvvvvvvvvvvv> i need help
#2088 [19:34] <xales> vvvvvvvvvvvv: Did you even bother to read the messages that appeared when you joined?
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#2090 [19:34] <vvvvvvvvvvvv> what
#2091 [19:34] <xales> vvvvvvvvvvvv: Read the BIG RED TEXT a few lines up that you ignored.
#2092 [19:34] <vvvvvvvvvvvv> oooooo
#2093 [19:34] <Lord_Ralex> vvvvvvvvvvvv, change your nickname on here, using /nick
#2094 [19:34] <vvvvvvvvvvvv> ok
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#2096 [19:35] <Lord_Ralex> Thank you
#2097 [19:35] <okayochabgedit> hiw do i install forge?
#2098 [19:35] <okayochabgedit> on 1.5.2?
#2099 [19:35] <Lord_Ralex> okayochabgedit, we do not help with mods
#2100 [19:35] <okayochabgedit> oh
#2101 [19:35] <okayochabgedit> why
#2102 [19:36] <Lord_Ralex> Because they are 3rd party things
#2103 [19:36] <tyteen4a03> ??> okayochabgedit mods
#2104 [19:36] <xales> okayochabgedit: Mods are unofficial, unsupported, third-party software.
#2105 [19:36] <VoxelHead> okayochabgedit: This channel is not a venue for mod support, or support for modded clients or servers. As it is impossible for anybody to know every combination of mods out there, this channel does not assist with unofficial third-party modded content.
#2106 [19:36] <VoxelHead> okayochabgedit: For single player mods, contact the mod's creator or try http://tiny.cc/modinstall for general installation instructions. For bukkit help, use #bukkit; you can also search Google for a mod's installation instructions.
#2107 [19:36] <tyteen4a03> Short version, longer version - your choice
#2108 [19:36] <okayochabgedit> ok it mmakes sense now
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#2110 [19:36] <okayochabgedit> sorry for wasting your time
#2111 [19:36] <tyteen4a03> okayochabgedit, it's fine :)
#2112 [19:37] <okayochabgedit> is there a place like this fir forge
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#2115 [19:38] <okayochabgedit> is there?
#2116 [19:38] <xales> okayochabgedit: Yes, there is, but it is not easy to get to.
#2117 [19:38] <xales> okayochabgedit: That being said, installing Forge is VERY easy. Their is a guide on their website.
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#2121 [19:39] <okayochabgedit> oh ok i eill try tomorrow
#2122 [19:39] <okayochabgedit> will
#2123 [19:39] <okayochabgedit> thank you
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#2126 [19:40] <wy> updated my mac to snow leopard but now cannot open mindcraft. I put it in the trash and re loaded it and when I click on it a long page with a bunch of words comes up with "Updated Notes", "developement consule" profile editor, etc at the top...please assist
#2127 [19:40] <wy> updated my mac to snow leopard but now cannot open mindcraft. I put it in the trash and re loaded it and when I click on it a long page with a bunch of words comes up with "Updated Notes", "developement consule" profile editor, etc at the top...please assist
#2128 [19:41] <TFrag> Yeah, they call that "Minecraft launcher"
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#2130 [19:41] <wy> so how do i get on to play now...i log in and it says im logged in to play but as soon as i click play the window with all the words apprears...
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#2132 [19:44] <TFrag> Close it, re-open it.
#2133 [19:44] <TFrag> If it doesn't work, what's the last few line say?
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#2135 [19:44] <shannon_> can someone help
#2136 [19:45] <shannon_> my minecraft has crashed and i cant seem to fix the problem
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#2147 [19:57] <shannon__> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/9f30b62b963e97aedd3e
#2148 [19:57] <xales> shannon__: One moment please.
#2149 [19:58] <shannon__> ok
#2150 [19:58] <xales> shannon__: Download and install: http://ftp.hp.com/pub/softlib/software12/COL36539/pv-89938-1/sp51356.exe
#2151 [19:59] <shannon__> how big is the download?
#2152 [19:59] <xales> shannon__: 84MB or so.
#2153 [19:59] <shannon__> will it fix my problem?
#2154 [20:00] <shannon__> with minecraft
#2155 [20:00] <xales> shannon__: It should, yes.
#2156 [20:00] <shannon__> okay, thank you
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#2161 [20:02] <shannon__> would i be able to delete this download after it has fixed to save my memory?
#2162 [20:03] <xales> shannon__: Unless you're actually low on memory, don't worry about it.
#2163 [20:04] <shannon__> im not im just asking
#2164 [20:04] <xales> shannon__: You probably could, but there is absolutely no reason to.
#2165 [20:04] <shannon__> ok
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#2168 [20:07] <shannon__> how did you know what was up
#2169 [20:07] <shannon__> ?
#2170 [20:08] <xales> shannon__: You were missing a driver, as the error message told you.
#2171 [20:08] <xales> shannon__: The DxDiag information contains what is needed to find the right driver.
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#2175 [20:10] <Fanboyz1231> I NEED HELP
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#2177 [20:10] <tyteen4a03> ??> Fanboyz1231 ask
#2178 [20:10] <VoxelHead> Fanboyz1231: Please don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help with, and be as specific as possible.
#2179 [20:11] <VoxelHead> Fanboyz1231: If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
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#2181 [20:11] <Fanboyz1231> so ive been trying to run minecraft,it will not let it load,its giving me an error,by a lack of up to date graphics drivers
#2182 [20:12] <xales> ??> Fanboyz1231 hopper/dxdiag
#2183 [20:12] <VoxelHead> Fanboyz1231: Follow the instructions here: http://hopper.minecraft.net/help/pixel-format-not-accelerated/support/
#2184 [20:12] <tyteen4a03> xales, always ninjaing
#2185 [20:12] <Fanboyz1231> i made a gist,followed those insctructions,they told me to come here
#2186 [20:12] <Fanboyz1231> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/25058f33a685eae4dc12
#2187 [20:12] <xales> Fanboyz1231: Your computer does not support Windows 8.
#2188 [20:13] <xales> Fanboyz1231: There is no graphics driver for your computer for Windows 8.
#2189 [20:13] <Fanboyz1231> oh,guess i wont be playing minecraft :P
#2190 [20:13] <xales> Fanboyz1231: There is a workaround available, but it is NOT RECOMMENDED unless you are a power user.
#2191 [20:13] <Fanboyz1231> workaround?
#2192 [20:13] <xales> Fanboyz1231: http://hopper.minecraft.net/help/pixel-format-not-accelerated/intel-workaround/
#2193 [20:14] <Fanboyz1231> Thank you xales,i guess i just wont play minecraft then :P thanks anyways tho
#2194 [20:15] <Fanboyz1231> I NEED HELP,bye
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#2198 [20:27] <LunarMakeshift> I have 1.6.2, but after a while of playing my game will randomly freeze on servers, and prevent me from doing anything
#2199 [20:27] <LunarMakeshift> What can i do about this? Is this a common issue?
#2200 [20:27] <xales> LunarMakeshift: "freeze"? Does it "unfreeze" or give you an error?
#2201 [20:27] <LunarMakeshift> It stays frozen, only very occassionally moving some, unfreezing after about five full minutes or more
#2202 [20:28] <xales> LunarMakeshift: Does it happen on only one server, or on many?
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#2204 [20:28] <LunarMakeshift> I've only tested it on one server, but everyone else who has been on the server has never had a problem, so it must be something on my end
#2205 [20:28] <xales> Try another server.
#2206 [20:29] <LunarMakeshift> Ok
#2207 [20:29] <LunarMakeshift> The same thing seems to happen elsewhere, too
#2208 [20:30] <xales> LunarMakeshift: What, if any, security/firewall software do you have?
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#2212 [20:40] <LunarMakeshift> i have antimalware pro
#2213 [20:40] <xales> LunarMakeshift: Ah, yeah.
#2214 [20:40] <xales> LunarMakeshift: That's quite probably the issue.
#2215 [20:40] <xales> LunarMakeshift: That's not a well-known product, and it probably is breaking Minecraft (and possibly your entire computer)
#2216 [20:41] <xales> LunarMakeshift: You should remove it and replace it with something else.
#2217 [20:41] <LunarMakeshift> it is a well known, high-rated security product on amazon
#2218 [20:41] <caguama> I can't download minecraft demo
#2219 [20:41] <xales> caguama: And why can't you?
#2220 [20:41] <LunarMakeshift> Sorry its full name is Malwarebyte Anti-Malware Pro
#2221 [20:41] <xales> LunarMakeshift: No, it's not, actually.
#2222 [20:41] <xales> LunarMakeshift: Ah, in that case.
#2223 [20:41] <xales> LunarMakeshift: "antimalware pro" is something else
#2224 [20:42] <xales> LunarMakeshift: Malwarebytes is the best thing out there.
#2225 [20:42] <LunarMakeshift> Oh all right
#2226 [20:42] <LunarMakeshift> Sorry for not explaining properly XD
#2227 [20:42] <xales> LunarMakeshift: That's all you have?
#2228 [20:42] <LunarMakeshift> I think McAfee is here as well
#2229 [20:42] <LunarMakeshift> But it doesnt really affect anything
#2230 [20:42] <xales> LunarMakeshift: Ah. That actually could be the problem.
#2231 [20:42] <xales> LunarMakeshift: If it's there, uninstall it.
#2232 [20:43] <LunarMakeshift> Why?
#2233 [20:43] <xales> LunarMakeshift: McAfee is known to break Minecraft.
#2234 [20:43] <xales> LunarMakeshift: Also, having more than one security program is VERY bad for your computer.
#2235 [20:43] <LinuxGold> it's like hiring 2 different guards with full privilege, you see them fight over the control.
#2236 [20:43] <caguama> every I try to download something it won't work in my pc
#2237 [20:44] <xales> caguama: When you try to download ANYTHING, or just Minecraft?
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#2239 [20:44] <LunarMakeshift> okay, thanks for your help Xales
#2240 [20:44] <LunarMakeshift> I have to go, but thanks for the advice
#2241 [20:45] <LunarMakeshift> I'll look into deleting McAfee
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#2243 [20:45] <caguama> just minecraft something with the pixels
#2244 [20:45] <xales> ??> caguama hopper/dxdiag
#2245 [20:45] <VoxelHead> caguama: Follow the instructions here: http://hopper.minecraft.net/help/pixel-format-not-accelerated/support/
#2246 [20:47] <caguama> thank you I'll try
#2247 [20:48] <xales> ??> caguama scold/try
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#2249 [20:48] <VoxelHead> caguama: Do. Or do not. There is no try.
#2250 [20:48] <gilligan824> ok i have minecraft on xbox 360 i downloaded the enderdragon pet and the dog pets but how do i get them in the game
#2251 [20:49] <xales> gilligan824: We are primarily support for the PC version. You'll either need to find instructions on Google, or contact Microsoft's support.
#2252 [20:50] <gilligan824> ahh ok
#2253 [20:50] <gilligan824> thanks
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#2258 [20:58] <Kade|epiclink150294> Hello I am here for 2 reasons
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#2260 [20:59] <xales> Kade|epiclink150294: And what would those be?
#2261 [20:59] <Kade|epiclink150294> once once I sometimes I try to join servers I crash with exit code one and how do I edit JVM arguements
#2262 [20:59] <Kade|epiclink150294> http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1874325-jvm-argument-fps-boost/
#2263 [21:00] <xales> Kade|epiclink150294: If you need to ask that question, then you shouldn't do that.
#2264 [21:00] <xales> Kade|epiclink150294: Also, it will not boost your FPS.
#2265 [21:00] <xales> Kade|epiclink150294: That is intended for servers specifically.
#2266 [21:00] <Kade|epiclink150294> okay
#2267 [21:00] <xales> Kade|epiclink150294: It will make no difference on FPS.
#2268 [21:00] <Kade|epiclink150294> Okay ty
#2269 [21:00] <Kade|epiclink150294> Okay than you
#2270 [21:00] <Kade|epiclink150294> *thank you
#2271 [21:00] <Kade|epiclink150294> xD
#2272 [21:00] <xales> Kade|epiclink150294: As far as the "exit code 1" error - in order to help you, we need to see the entire Development Console after the error.
#2273 [21:01] <Kade|epiclink150294> Okay
#2274 [21:01] <Kade|epiclink150294> Where can I get the matrix.bat
#2275 [21:01] <xales> I don't know what that is, and it's probably not something you want.
#2276 [21:01] <Kade|epiclink150294> I did this before on another computer xD
#2277 [21:01] <Kade|epiclink150294> Okay
#2278 [21:02] <Kade|epiclink150294> How do I get my system infromation entirely I know my graphics card/etc.
#2279 [21:02] <Kade|epiclink150294> nvm
#2280 [21:02] <Kade|epiclink150294> I know it runs a cmd document xD
#2281 [21:02] <xales> I still have no idea what you're talking about
#2282 [21:03] <Kade|epiclink150294> "As far as the "exit code 1" error - in order to help you, we need to see the entire Development Console after the error."
#2283 [21:03] <Kade|epiclink150294> xD
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#2285 [21:03] <Kade|epiclink150294> can you guide me
#2286 [21:03] <xales> Kade|epiclink150294: For what?
#2287 [21:03] <Kade|epiclink150294> exit code 1
#2288 [21:03] <xales> Kade|epiclink150294: Do you have the error message in front of you?
#2289 [21:03] <Kade|epiclink150294> I closed it >.<
#2290 [21:04] <xales> Kade|epiclink150294: You need to have it in front of you.
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#2293 [21:05] <Kade|epiclink150294> -------------- S Y S T E M --------------- OS: Windows 7 , 64 bit Build 7601 Service Pack 1 CPU:total 1 (1 cores per cpu, 1 threads per core) family 20 model 1 stepping 0, cmov, cx8, fxsr, mmx, sse, sse2, sse3, ssse3, popcnt, mmxext, lzcnt, sse4a, tsc, tscinvbit, tscinv Memory: 4k page, physical 2726776k(630772k free), swap 28480564k(25757312k free) vm_info: Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (23.25-b01) for windows-x86
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#2296 [21:05] <Kade|epiclink150294> is that good?
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#2298 [21:06] <xales> Kade|epiclink150294: First of all, that has nothing to do with your error.
#2299 [21:06] <xales> Kade|epiclink150294: Second of all, nothing that is pasted here that is longer than 1 line can be read.
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#2303 [21:10] <fluff21> why cant i login into the multiplayer
#2304 [21:10] <xales> fluff21: I don't know, why can't you?
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#2308 [21:13] <fluff21> it dont locate a server
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#2310 [21:14] <fluff21> it just searches forever
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#2312 [21:14] <Lord_Ralex> fluff21, you have to add servers, it won't search for any
#2313 [21:14] <jerry> i CAN'T GET DOWNLOAD TO RUN
#2314 [21:14] <Lord_Ralex> ??> fluff21 smp/servers
#2315 [21:14] <VoxelHead> fluff21: There currently is no master list of all SMP servers. Fan-made indexes include http://minestatus.net/ - http://www.mcserverlist.net/ - http://www.reddit.com/r/mcservers - http://minecraftservers.net/ - http://minecraft.dk/mcserverlist/
#2316 [21:14] <VoxelHead> fluff21: The MC forums' list can be found at http://www.minecraftforum.net/forum/31-servers/ . Also, try #smp, although it is not too active anymore.
#2317 [21:15] <fluff21> ok thanks guys
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#2319 [21:15] <xales> jerry: First of all, turn CapsLock off.
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#2321 [21:16] <xales> jerry: Second of all, why can't you?
#2322 [21:17] <jerry> don't know bought online download won't run
#2323 [21:18] <xales> jerry: What happens when you try?
#2324 [21:18] <xales> jerry: Does it give you a message? Does nothing at all appear?
#2325 [21:18] <cestislife> Were you using Internet Explorer?
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#2327 [21:19] <jerry> i click download for windows and nothing happens. norton does say program is safe
#2328 [21:19] <xales> jerry: Are you using Internet Explorer?
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#2330 [21:20] <jerry> yes
#2331 [21:20] <xales> ??> jerry fubar/ie
#2332 [21:20] <VoxelHead> jerry: Internet Exploder/Exploiter/Explorer is a terrible browser with terrible issues. Many common problems are solved by using a better browser.
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#2334 [21:20] <VoxelHead> jerry: Google Chrome: http://www.google.com/chrome Firefox: http://www.mozilla.org/firefox
#2335 [21:21] <jerry> ok thanks
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#2357 [21:38] <Steve760> i need help to update my driver and graphic design driver
#2358 [21:39] <xales> ??> Steve760 hopper/dxdiag
#2359 [21:39] <VoxelHead> Steve760: Follow the instructions here: http://hopper.minecraft.net/help/pixel-format-not-accelerated/support/
#2360 [21:39] <Steve760> i did that already
#2361 [21:40] <xales> Steve760: Part of those instructions is giving us the link
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#2363 [21:40] <xales> Steve760: You have not done that.
#2364 [21:40] <Steve760> have done what
#2365 [21:40] <xales> Steve760: Part of those instructions is giving us the link
#2366 [21:40] <Steve760> what link
#2367 [21:40] <xales> Steve760: The instructions tell you that.
#2368 [21:41] <Steve760> i clicked the link already
#2369 [21:41] <xales> Steve760: Go here, and do what it says: http://hopper.minecraft.net/help/pixel-format-not-accelerated/support/
#2370 [21:41] <Steve760> i did
#2371 [21:42] <Steve760> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/6432826cc0d38e6e8d17
#2372 [21:42] <Steve760> thats the link
#2373 [21:42] <Steve760> i thuink
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#2375 [21:42] <xales> Steve760: There you go. Now, wait.
#2376 [21:42] <Steve760> what do i press
#2377 [21:43] <xales> Steve760: You wait.
#2378 [21:43] <xales> Steve760: Now that you're done waiting, you download and install this: http://www2.ati.com/drivers/13-4_win7_win8_32_dd_ccc_whql.exe
#2379 [21:43] <Steve760> do i press downland gist
#2380 [21:43] <xales> Steve760: No, you ONLY do exactly what I tell you.
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#2382 [21:44] <Steve760> so i just stay at the page
#2383 [21:44] <xales> Steve760: Now that you're done waiting, you download and install this: http://www2.ati.com/drivers/13-4_win7_win8_32_dd_ccc_whql.exe
#2384 [21:44] <xales> Steve760: 0,4READ WHAT I ACTUALLY SAY and you will know what to do.
#2385 [21:44] <Steve760> okay
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#2387 [21:47] <Steve760> hello i need your HELP
#2388 [21:47] <cestislife> Please read up.
#2389 [21:47] <xales> Steve760: I don't understand how you do not understand.
#2390 [21:47] * xales kicked Steve760 from #minecrafthelp (Reason: teve760 :Download and install: http://www2.ati.com/drivers/13-4_win7_win8_32_dd_ccc_whql.exe Download and install: http://www2.ati.com/drivers/13-4_win7_win8_32_dd_ccc_whql.exeDownload and install: http://www2.ati.com/drivers/13-4_win7_win8_32_dd_ccc_whql.exeDownload a)
#2391 [21:48] <cestislife> lol
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#2393 [21:48] <xales> cestislife: he'll be back
#2394 [21:48] <xales> just wait
#2395 [21:48] <xales> I'm going to use ageiq if they come back
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#2398 [21:50] <Steve760> im installing catalyst and it say allow user to install AMD software compents or uninstall and remove Amd software compents
#2399 [21:50] <xales> Steve760: What do you think?
#2400 [21:50] <xales> Steve760: Do you want to allow yourself to install the thing you're trying to install?
#2401 [21:50] <Steve760> i dont know im asking you
#2402 [21:51] <xales> Steve760: Guess.
#2403 [21:51] <xales> Steve760: You're trying to install something.
#2404 [21:51] <xales> Steve760: The box is asking you if you are trying to install something.
#2405 [21:51] <xales> Steve760: What do you think the answer is?
#2406 [21:51] <Steve760> im trying to install the thing to update my drivers
#2407 [21:51] <xales> Steve760: Yes, you are.
#2408 [21:51] <xales> Steve760: That is what the box is asking you.
#2409 [21:51] <xales> Steve760: So what is the answer?
#2410 [21:51] <Steve760> install
#2411 [21:53] <xales> Steve760: And did you do that?
#2412 [21:53] <Steve760> yes
#2413 [21:54] <xales> Steve760: Then once you have installed it, and it finished, and told you the installation was successful, you can run Minecraft.
#2414 [21:54] <Steve760> thanks bye
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#2431 [22:19] <AlaminerXD> this is my error code, camesome help Game ended with bad state (exit code 1) Ignoring visibility rule and showing launcher due to a game crash Deleting C:\Users\ILIKEPIE!!!!!\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\versions\1.6.2\1.6.2-natives-1977971702588
#2432 [22:19] <AlaminerXD> Couldn't delete C:\Users\ILIKEPIE!!!!!\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\versions\1.6.2\1.6.2-natives-1977971702588 - scheduling for deletion upon exit
#2433 [22:19] <cestislife> ??> AlaminerXD win/!
#2434 [22:19] <VoxelHead> AlaminerXD: Having exclamation marks or other special characters in your Windows username can break Java, which in turn breaks Minecraft. The only way to fix this issue is to create a new Windows account without any special characters (only A-Z and 0-9).
#2435 [22:19] <VoxelHead> AlaminerXD: See http://hopper.minecraft.net/help/special-characters/ for more information on working around this problem.
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#2437 [22:20] <AlaminerXD> kk thx i will try this
#2438 [22:21] <AlaminerXD> is there anyway to mename my current username?
#2439 [22:21] <AlaminerXD> rename*
#2440 [22:21] <cestislife> That wouldn't work.
#2441 [22:21] <cestislife> Please read http://hopper.minecraft.net/help/special-characters/
#2442 [22:24] <mattym> Isnt that error code pointless anyway?
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#2444 [22:26] <Extreme> mattym: No, any application at anytime can specify an exit code that they want
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#2447 [22:27] <Extreme> mattym: -1 & 1 are generall failures
#2448 [22:27] <mattym> im talking about that specific error
#2449 [22:27] <mattym> I get that one all the time
#2450 [22:27] <Extreme> mattym: -1 & 1 are generall failures
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#2452 [22:28] <mattym> I get that one whenver I exit the game with the X button on the window instead of the quit game button on the menu screen
#2453 [22:28] <mattym> all it is, is saying that you closed the game wrong
#2454 [22:28] <Extreme> mattym: it shouldn't do that then
#2455 [22:28] <mattym> It only looks bad cause it triggers the launcher to pop back up
#2456 [22:29] <Extreme> mattym: even if you alt+f4 you should exit with code 0
#2457 [22:29] <mattym> Well my version that does that is modded, so im sure there is something not directly related to Minecraft causing it
#2458 [22:29] <mattym> point i was trying to make is
#2459 [22:30] <mattym> why go through the process of remaking your windows account just to get rid of an error that in no way effects the game
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#2461 [22:30] <AlaminerXD> thx it worked
#2462 [22:30] <oldtopman> mattym: It does affect the game, however.
#2463 [22:31] <mattym> oldtopman: how?
#2464 [22:32] <oldtopman> mattym: Having exclamation marks or other special characters in your Windows username can break Java, which in turn breaks Minecraft.
#2465 [22:33] <Extreme> mattym: most exit codes are triggered right when the game is loaded, not just when you close the window yourself.
#2466 [22:33] <mattym> I was talking about that error, i have no special charcters and get that error as well, like i said when shutting the game down "wrong", If thats the only thing your encountering, i wouldnt bother
#2467 [22:33] <AlaminerXD> i made a new user and it fixed the problem XD i never had this prob b4 it used to be alaminerxd b4 i reset my comp thx again
#2468 [22:33] <Extreme> mattym: -1 & 1 are generall failures
#2469 [22:33] <Extreme> mattym: do you know what that means?
#2470 [22:34] <mattym> yes
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#2473 [22:34] <Extreme> mattym: then I see no reason to ask the same question over and over again
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#2475 [22:34] <Guest40412> my computer is has graphics problems what do i do ?
#2476 [22:35] <Extreme> ??> Guest40412 hopper/dxdiag
#2477 [22:35] <VoxelHead> Guest40412: Follow the instructions here: http://hopper.minecraft.net/help/pixel-format-not-accelerated/support/
#2478 [22:35] <Guest40412> i did and then ?
#2479 [22:35] <Extreme> Guest40412: give us the link
#2480 [22:35] <mattym> Extreme: When did i ask a question about it? I was just making a point about need (or not) of that fix
#2481 [22:36] <Guest40412> ive made a secret gist now ?
#2482 [22:36] <Extreme> mattym: question / comment, I've explained why numerous times
#2483 [22:36] <Extreme> Guest40412: give us the link
#2484 [22:36] <Guest40412> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/28cbd7ad14bb8e63d1c6
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#2487 [22:37] <Extreme> Guest40412: your computer is too old
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#2495 [22:47] <LinuxGold> what is the url that shows skin per player?
#2496 [22:47] <LinuxGold> <url>/<playername>
#2497 [22:48] <cestislife> ??> LinuxGold skinurl
#2498 [22:48] <cestislife> uh
#2499 [22:48] <cestislife> ??> LinuxGold skinurl
#2500 [22:48] <VoxelHead> LinuxGold: https://s3.amazonaws.com/MinecraftSkins/username.png - case sensitive.
#2501 [22:48] <LinuxGold> thanks
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#2507 [23:16] <Alastor2011> hi
#2508 [23:16] <Alastor2011> need help
#2509 [23:16] <xales> Alastor2011: Read the BIG RED TEXT a few lines up that you ignored.
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#2511 [23:17] <Alastor2011> Ok , the thing is 1 day i was playing minecraft multiplayer and i had 60-120 fps and i didnt had fps drops in that time
#2512 [23:18] <Alastor2011> now i play fps games and i have huge drops , brakes and lag
#2513 [23:18] <Alastor2011> I updated my java
#2514 [23:18] <Alastor2011> my gpu drivers
#2515 [23:18] <xales> This is in Minecraft you have these problems?
#2516 [23:18] <Alastor2011> yes
#2517 [23:18] <Alastor2011> and others fps games
#2518 [23:19] <xales> If it's in other games too, then it is a problem with your computer.
#2519 [23:19] <xales> Your best bet would be to take it to a computer expert, or a computer store, and have it repaired
#2520 [23:19] <Alastor2011> and you guys dont know what is causing this problem ?
#2521 [23:19] <xales> I could guess, but since it's not specific to Minecraft, we can't really help.
#2522 [23:20] <xales> It is also much, much more difficult to tell the problem since the computer is not in front of us.
#2523 [23:20] <Alastor2011> plz guess
#2524 [23:20] <xales> My guesses would mean nothing to you.
#2525 [23:20] <xales> You need to take the computer to be repaired.
#2526 [23:20] <Alastor2011> why?
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#2528 [23:21] <mattym> Did you only just now start playing these other games, as in this is the first time on this computer that you have played other games?
#2529 [23:21] <xales> Because if it is having framerate issues in every game, then something is broken.
#2530 [23:21] <Alastor2011> but how can i repair a problem if i dont know the cause?
#2531 [23:21] <xales> Alastor2011: You don't repair it, the store does
#2532 [23:21] <xales> Alastor2011: Have the other games worked properly before?
#2533 [23:21] <Alastor2011> ok ok
#2534 [23:21] <Alastor2011> yes´
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#2536 [23:21] <xales> Then something is broken.
#2537 [23:22] <mattym> then something is broken
#2538 [23:22] <Specta> the event log can sometimes help :P
#2539 [23:22] <Alastor2011> ok , but i cant know what is broken?
#2540 [23:22] <Specta> if windows
#2541 [23:22] <xales> Specta: For framerate issues? Not really.
#2542 [23:22] <Specta> well if the hard drive is dying
#2543 [23:22] <Specta> it throws errors
#2544 [23:22] <xales> Alastor2011: I could guess, but again, if you're needing to come here to ask, the guesses would mean nothing to you.
#2545 [23:22] <xales> Specta: that wouldn't cause framerate issues
#2546 [23:22] <mattym> Alastor2011: there are way to many things for us to start listing here, best bet is to get it diagnosed at a store/shop
#2547 [23:22] <Specta> currently having a laptop with a simular issue
#2548 [23:22] <Specta> have*
#2549 [23:23] <xales> Specta: it might cause framerate issues in Minecraft, but not in anything else :p
#2550 [23:23] <Specta> :P
#2551 [23:23] <Alastor2011> so this means i have to take the pc to a store and tells them " its a framerate issue " ?
#2552 [23:24] <mattym> yeah
#2553 [23:24] <xales> Alastor2011: Just explain the problem to them like you did to us.
#2554 [23:24] <Alastor2011> ...ok
#2555 [23:24] <xales> Alastor2011: Tell them it worked fine, but then every game started to have low framerate.
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#2557 [23:28] <Alastor2011> so you guys aren't professionals in computers?
#2558 [23:29] <Alastor2011> or you are just normal minecraft players that knows how to fix basic problems?
#2559 [23:29] <mattym> From what youve said, even the most well read professional couldnt diagnose your problem
#2560 [23:29] <cestislife> ?? volunteer
#2561 [23:29] <VoxelHead> volunteer: The people in #MineCraftHelp offering assistance have no affiliation with Mojang, and are volunteering their time.
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#2563 [23:31] <mattym> What is with the attention to FPS these days?
#2564 [23:31] <Bugboy1028> More FPS = More Smooth
#2565 [23:32] <mattym> why do people care so much about "smooth" then these days
#2566 [23:32] <Bugboy1028> Rapid changes in FPS make game more harder to play
#2567 [23:33] <mattym> I guess im just jaded to it, played to many games when FPS was shit and there is nothing you could do about it
#2568 [23:33] <Lord_Ralex> mattym, that is how i am, i play most games <30, so i get used to it, playing at higher fps messes with me
#2569 [23:33] <Lord_Ralex> (one i do play actually gets <15 and i have synced with it)
#2570 [23:34] <oldtopman> Only games I can get more than 30fps on are the PS3 ones :P
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#2572 [23:35] <mattym> But with the PS3 the only time I could convieve there being an FPS drop is in multiplayer
#2573 [23:36] <oldtopman> Only time I ever noticed frameskip in Tekken, myself.
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