#1 [00:01] <DopeGhoti> cd ..
#2 [00:01] <DopeGhoti> ..oops
#3 [00:01] <xales> ._.
#4 [00:01] <xales> also, cd .. is overrated
#5 [00:02] <xales> cd ./.. is better
#6 [00:02] <DopeGhoti> arguably
#7 [00:02] <lyude> vim is overrated
#8 [00:02] <lyude> butterflies are better
#9 [00:03] <DopeGhoti> I'll take vim any day over escape-meta-alt-control-shift
#10 [00:03] <xales> eight megabytes and constantly swapping :P
#11 [00:03] <xales> maybe once they release a decent text editor for that OS, I'll look at it again
#12 [00:04] <lyude> I'll be quite honest... it's a text editor... that's part of the butterflies joke
#13 [00:05] <xales> we were talking about emacs
#14 [00:05] <xales> :)
#15 [00:05] <cheese_logs> one sec having issues
#16 [00:05] <lyude> oh
#17 [00:06] <cheese_logs> my friends can't connect now
#18 [00:06] <xales> any error in specific?
#19 [00:06] <cheese_logs> i had to open a port for through my router, how do i get the IP they need to connect for them
#20 [00:07] <cheese_logs> one of my computer friends explained it to me but i forgot
#21 [00:07] <xales> whatismyip.com?
#22 [00:07] <cheese_logs> and he's not around
#23 [00:07] <xales> whatismyip.com
#24 [00:07] <cheese_logs> i looked at it started with a 3 digit number and from what i know you can't have an IP with 3 digits at the start
#25 [00:07] <lyude> whatisyourip.com
#26 [00:07] <Universezero> By the way guys, I uploaded a video of the project I was working on not too long ago! http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1020&t=136774
#27 [00:08] <xales> cheese_logs: wrong
#28 [00:08] <xales> the IP it gives you there is your IP
#29 [00:08] <cheese_logs> i am?
#30 [00:08] <xales> yup
#31 [00:08] <cheese_logs> alrighty then
#32 [00:10] <cheese_logs> k when i start my server
#33 [00:10] <cheese_logs> i don't lag anymore
#34 [00:10] <cheese_logs> but the map's serounding won't load
#35 [00:10] <xales> what do you mean?
#36 [00:10] <cheese_logs> it loads a small chunk and everything else is empty blue stuff
#37 [00:11] <cheese_logs> yeh ok now my friends can't connect
#38 [00:11] <cheese_logs> weird now i'm having opposite problems
#39 [00:13] <xales> uhh
#40 [00:13] <xales> wait, what
#41 [00:13] <xales> your connected to the server but only one chunk is loaded?
#42 [00:13] <cheese_logs> yeh
#43 [00:13] <cheese_logs> it won't load the map any further then one slightly large chunk
#44 [00:14] <xales> open task manager
#45 [00:14] <xales> how much RAM is free, available, and in use (one number for each)
#46 [00:14] <xales> (in the physical memory section or whatever its called)
#47 [00:14] <cheese_logs> one sec
#48 [00:15] <cheese_logs> i'm more worried about why my friends can't connect any more
#49 [00:15] <xales> thats not a big issue
#50 [00:15] <xales> fairly easy to fix
#51 [00:15] <xales> the server not functioning properly is more important
#52 [00:15] <cheese_logs> ok
#53 [00:16] <cheese_logs> k the rest loaded spontaniously
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#55 [00:16] <FBI> Hi :)
#56 [00:16] <cheese_logs> but now everythings like studdering
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#58 [00:16] <xales> uh hello
#59 [00:17] <aetherian> hello?
#60 [00:17] <xales> cheese_logs: what does task manager say in the physical memory section?
#61 [00:17] <cheese_logs> 60%
#62 [00:17] <xales> lol, nick killed
#63 [00:17] <xales> cheese_logs: not a percent, the raw numbers
#64 [00:17] <xales> how much free, in use, and available
#65 [00:18] <cheese_logs> free 4
#66 [00:18] <cheese_logs> available 1600
#67 [00:18] <Guest756650485> I'm trying to play Minecraft on Gentoo. I used the "awesome" window manager. The game works fine if i keep it at hte default small size. But If I resize the window, the rendering surface is not resized. That is, the game world is stil ldrawn at the current size, in the top left, and the rest of the window is black. Also, I use two monitors, and when I try to put minecraft in fullsreen mode, it goes across both screens, instead of
#68 [00:18] <xales> yeah, if free is 4, there is the problem
#69 [00:18] <cheese_logs> cached 1600 ish
#70 [00:19] <xales> cheese_logs: you need to free up ram
#71 [00:19] <cheese_logs> how do i do that?
#72 [00:19] <xales> jscinoz: are you using the Sun JVM?
#73 [00:19] <cheese_logs> i'm maxing otu my ram?
#74 [00:19] <jscinoz> xales: yes.
#75 [00:19] <cheese_logs> no idea what that is
#76 [00:19] <xales> cheese_logs: yes. close every single thing you have open as well as antivirus and firewall
#77 [00:19] <xales> and any other background programs you may have open
#78 [00:20] <cheese_logs> but then i'm unsafe...
#79 [00:20] <xales> not really
#80 [00:20] <xales> those programs marketing is such a scan
#81 [00:20] <xales> scam*
#82 [00:20] <xales> I don't use an antivirus program (well, not an active one), or a firewall
#83 [00:20] <xales> never had an issue
#84 [00:20] <xales> jscinoz: ehh
#85 [00:21] <xales> as far as that goes, I'd say the window manager may be failing to properly inform the JVM of the window size changes
#86 [00:21] <jscinoz> xales: yet all other applications cope with it
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#88 [00:21] <xales> java is fairly not-compatible. with anything
#89 [00:21] <DopeGhoti> jscinoz: all other _Java_ applications?
#90 [00:21] <xales> or well, not anything out of the ordinary
#91 [00:22] <jscinoz> DopeGhoti: I used to play Wurm, and it worked fine with fullscreen and window resizes. It's also java, and also using lwjgl
#92 [00:22] <DopeGhoti> Hrm.
#93 [00:22] <jscinoz> xales: what about the fullscreen thing, getting it to go fullscreen, but not try and spread across all monitors?
#94 [00:23] <xales> jscinoz: I'd say thats probably related to the WM too, but I'm not sure
#95 [00:23] <jscinoz> is there anythign I can do? Or am I stuck to playing the game only in the default, kinda small window size >_<
#96 [00:24] <xales> try posting on the minecraft and/or gentoo forums maybe? I haven't used that WM, and never tried to run Java on Gentoo
#97 [00:24] <xales> so I have no idea what the issue would be
#98 [00:24] <cheese_logs> uhm
#99 [00:24] <cheese_logs> fuck it
#100 [00:24] <jscinoz> :S Thanks :)
#101 [00:24] <cheese_logs> i'll just not run a server
#102 [00:25] <cheese_logs> this is way overly retarded
#103 [00:25] <cheese_logs> for me anyways
#104 [00:25] <jscinoz> cheese_logs: generally people dont run servers on windows :P
#105 [00:25] <jscinoz> for anything, not just games
#106 [00:25] <cheese_logs> it seems my new expensive computer can't hande a 2 megabite game
#107 [00:25] <DopeGhoti> The Z axis is north-south, yes?
#108 [00:26] <cheese_logs> am i supposed to have java exe runnign twice?
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#110 [00:26] <DopeGhoti> if you're running the server and the client, of course.
#111 [00:26] <cheese_logs> k
#112 [00:26] <DopeGhoti> but then, it could be argued whether you should be doing that.
#113 [00:26] <xales> cheese_logs: the issue is that you are already using all of what your computer provides
#114 [00:27] <cheese_logs> i see this
#115 [00:27] <xales> as well as the fact that Windows is absolutely terrible as far a servers go
#116 [00:27] <JokerPrime> is there a list of servers somewhere?
#117 [00:27] <cheese_logs> woudl runnign game booster be my best option for freeing up space
#118 [00:27] <xales> DopeGhoti: I had him check free physical memory, it gave "4" for "free"
#119 [00:27] <xales> cheese_logs: absolutely not. those things just break stuff
#120 [00:29] <cheese_logs> how so?
#121 [00:29] <TrueWolves> "This is a quit message":
#122 [00:29] <TrueWolves> wait no
#123 [00:29] <TrueWolves> This is not a quit message"
#124 [00:29] <TrueWolves> ... wait, what.
#125 [00:29] <cheese_logs> wat
#126 [00:30] <xales> cheese_logs: generally, if it changes system stuff and you don't know what it does, you shouldn't use it
#127 [00:30] <TrueWolves> Ce n'est pas "This is not" un message de quit "A quit message"
#128 [00:30] <xales> "GameBooster" and related such products are more or less a scam
#129 [00:30] <xales> the benefit is reduced by the fact that they are hogging resouces for themselves to run
#130 [00:30] <xales> the virtually non-existant benefit
#131 [00:31] <xales> and the problem is RAM anyway, and stuff like that won't help you free up RAM
#132 [00:31] <xales> closing applications will
#133 [00:32] <cheese_logs> anyways
#134 [00:32] <cheese_logs> imma go
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#136 [00:34] <kerromatic> oh em gee
#137 [00:34] <kerromatic> why is this game so amazingly addicting
#138 [00:34] <kerromatic> lmao
#139 [00:34] <kerromatic> question,
#140 [00:34] <ziggo0> ...
#141 [00:34] <xales> if you have a question, ask it...
#142 [00:34] <kerromatic> oh yeah, im just trying to cover my butt so I dont die. how can i make sure my game saves
#143 [00:35] <kerromatic> without esc and save and exit option?
#144 [00:35] <kerromatic> i see when i press esc, it says "saving"
#145 [00:35] <kerromatic> but how can i be sure it saves my game?
#146 [00:35] <xales> that means it is saving
#147 [00:35] <xales> it saves as you play
#148 [00:36] <kerromatic> ahh
#149 [00:37] <kerromatic> hmm
#150 [00:37] <kerromatic> ok just makin sure
#151 [00:37] <kerromatic> you guys are the best btw
#152 [00:37] <kerromatic> sorry for being so bothersom
#153 [00:38] <xales> no problem
#154 [00:38] <kerromatic> bbl
#155 [00:39] <JokerPrime> hey umm im new and im wondering if there is a list of minecraft MP servers somewhere?
#156 [00:39] <xales> for classic or beta?
#157 [00:40] <JokerPrime> beta
#158 [00:40] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#159 [00:40] <GreyVulpine> http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewforum.php?f=1025
#160 [00:40] <GreyVulpine> Or #smp
#161 [00:40] <xales> a lot of the server will be down right now
#162 [00:40] <xales> because of a recent update
#163 [00:40] <JokerPrime> oh
#164 [00:40] <JokerPrime> k
#165 [00:40] <JokerPrime> thx
#166 [00:41] <xales> GreyVulpine: #minecraft op. not worth it. http://darksigns.net/resinate.log
#167 [00:41] <xales> :/
#168 [00:41] * xales gets several of those a day now
#168 [00:41] <jscinoz> xales: i posted my question on the forum at http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=136827
#169 [00:41] <GreyVulpine> Hmm?
#170 [00:41] <xales> jscinoz: Best of luck in getting an answer
#171 [00:41] <xales> GreyVulpine: look at the log, that is a query :/
#172 [00:41] <jscinoz> xales: thanks
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#174 [00:42] <xales> I particularly like the end
#175 [00:43] <DopeGhoti> jscinoz: you could also try on the Gentoo forums; I've found them helpful in the past.
#176 [00:43] <xales> Unbelieveable
#177 [00:43] <xales> I posted the log
#178 [00:43] <xales> and he starts to PM me again
#179 [00:44] <jscinoz> Yeah, I might post it over there in a lil while, if the response on MC forums is the standard "herp derp use metacity or a separate X screen"
#180 [00:45] <GreyVulpine> Hah
#181 [00:45] <xales> Grey, help me
#182 [00:46] <xales> please
#183 [00:46] <xales> this person is absurd
#184 [00:46] <DopeGhoti> s/absurd/trolling you/ # I think
#185 [00:46] <GreyVulpine> What do you want me to do?
#186 [00:46] <xales> I'm at that conclusion too
#187 [00:46] <DopeGhoti> have you got a LART?
#188 [00:46] <xales> Grey, I want you to kill me
#189 [00:47] <xales> DopeGhoti: I have my LART, yes
#190 [00:47] <DopeGhoti> Implement it.
#191 [00:47] <xales> Implementation in progress
#192 [00:47] <DopeGhoti> solved!
#193 [00:48] <xales> http://pastebin.com/0VpBa3Qw
#194 [00:48] <xales> no response yet
#195 [00:49] <xales> the sad part is I think he was serious
#196 [00:49] <DopeGhoti> interesting how he could figure out /query, but not such crazy things as reading the output of help commands sent to nickserv.
#197 [00:49] <xales> indeed
#198 [00:53] <Shadow386> some idiot thinks that notch made this update to purposely delete all server mods files
#199 [00:53] <Shadow386> i lol'd hard
#200 [00:53] <xales> of course
#201 [00:53] <xales> Shadow386: http://darksigns.net/resinate.log
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#203 [00:53] <xales> you'll love that
#204 [00:53] <xales> oh, sine, you too
#205 [00:53] <xales> http://darksigns.net/resinate.log
#206 [00:56] <sinedeviance> !ping
#207 [00:56] <crickets> sinedeviance Your Ping time was 4.126 Seconds.
#208 [00:56] <sinedeviance> D:
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#211 [00:57] <Shadow386> !ping
#212 [00:58] <crickets> Shadow386 Your Ping time was 0.341 Seconds.
#213 [00:58] <TrueWolves> !ping
#214 [00:58] <crickets> TrueWolves Your Ping time was 0.18 Seconds.
#215 [00:58] <Shadow386> god damn you TrueWolves
#216 [00:59] <xales> Shadow
#217 [00:59] <xales> PING google.com (74.125.226.146) 56(84) bytes of data.
#218 [00:59] <xales> 64 bytes from 74.125.226.146: icmp_seq=1 ttl=57 time=1.77 ms
#219 [00:59] <xales> \o/
#220 [01:00] <ziggo0> damn.
#221 [01:00] <Shadow386> xales that guy in the log is an idiot
#222 [01:00] <ziggo0> how did you manage that
#223 [01:01] <xales> Shadow386: indeed
#224 [01:01] <xales> ziggo0: one sec
#225 [01:01] <xales> http://www.nac.net/images/networkmaps/nacnetworkmap.gif
#226 [01:01] <MK> I updated it for today's update :) http://mk.sepwich.com/Minecraft/id.html
#227 [01:01] <xales> "NWR" is the facility that server is in
#228 [01:01] <xales> the connections are amazing
#229 [01:01] <xales> I downloaded an ubuntu ISO at 94mb/s
#230 [01:01] <xales> :D
#231 [01:02] <ziggo0> Underscore does show the sexyness of that.
#232 [01:02] <ziggo0> PING google.com (74.125.95.104) 56(84) bytes of data.
#233 [01:02] <ziggo0> 64 bytes from iw-in-f104.1e100.net (74.125.95.104): icmp_req=1 ttl=53 time=24.2 ms
#234 [01:02] <ziggo0> ./jealous
#235 [01:02] <xales> hehe
#236 [01:02] <KART35|iPod> xales: I WANT YOUR INTERNET
#237 [01:02] <prodigy|gFx[CEO> @jscinoz you still there?
#238 [01:02] <xales> KART35|iPod: server
#239 [01:02] <KART35|iPod> i know
#240 [01:02] <xales> you get what you paaaay for
#241 [01:02] <KART35|iPod> i still want it
#242 [01:03] <xales> I could get a similar VPS for like $10, instead of $40
#243 [01:03] <KART35|iPod> 40/month?
#244 [01:03] <xales> but not worth bad support, bad nodes, bad openvz
#245 [01:03] <xales> KART35|iPod: for a 1gb VPS
#246 [01:03] <xales> :)
#247 [01:03] <KART35|iPod> 0.o
#248 [01:04] <ziggo0> I miss my vps that was right on internap
#249 [01:05] <ziggo0> makes my home connection feel like 56k
#250 [01:05] <xales> :/
#251 [01:08] <Shadow386> what are you looking for?
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#253 [01:10] <mib_giwxzb> can anyone guide me to a resource to get minecraft server up and running on Linux, I'm a Linux noob but I heard its the way to go
#254 [01:10] <mib_giwxzb> ?
#255 [01:11] <xales> uhh
#256 [01:11] <xales> there isn't really a good one for someone new to Linux
#257 [01:11] <xales> just try it and if you get stuck ask us here
#258 [01:11] <mib_giwxzb> will do, thanks
#259 [01:12] <Shadow386> why linux?
#260 [01:12] <Shadow386> why not shadowux
#261 [01:12] <Shadow386> we are an OS that does everything
#262 [01:12] <mib_giwxzb> I was told I could allocate more ram for the server than with windows
#263 [01:12] <Shadow386> including eat viruses for breakfeast
#264 [01:12] <xales> you can, definately
#265 [01:12] <Shadow386> mib_giwxzb learn how to use linux before doing that
#266 [01:12] <xales> but if you don't have enough to begin with, it won't matter
#267 [01:13] <jscinoz> mib_giwxzb: what distro? and can you use the console
#268 [01:13] <mib_giwxzb> ubuntu 10.10
#269 [01:14] <jscinoz> familiar with the console?
#270 [01:14] <jscinoz> im geussing not, since you're using ubuntu
#271 [01:14] <mib_giwxzb> not really
#272 [01:14] <xales> mib_giwxzb: http://linuxcommandorg
#273 [01:14] <xales> err
#274 [01:14] <jscinoz> do you have at least a basic understanding (manipulating files and moving between directories?)
#275 [01:14] <xales> mib_giwxzb: http://linuxcommand.org
#276 [01:14] <mib_giwxzb> was ubuntu a good choice?
#277 [01:14] <xales> period-key fail
#278 [01:14] <xales> mib_giwxzb: yes.
#279 [01:15] <jscinoz> its a good easy distro yeah. But running a server of any type generally requires some console knowledge
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#281 [01:16] <mib_giwxzb> yes, I've written batch file for various things on pc
#282 [01:16] <mib_giwxzb> I'll start reading
#283 [01:16] <ziggo0> I noticed as far as hosting goes, CentOS is a lot more popular than Ubuntu
#284 [01:16] <GreyVulpine> mib_giwxzb - let me know what kind of help you need.
#285 [01:16] <mib_giwxzb> CentOS, is it KDE or Gnome?
#286 [01:16] <xales> ziggo0: CentOS is also out of date all over the place
#287 [01:17] <xales> mib_giwxzb: the distro is not tied to the desktop environment. you can use any environment on any distro
#288 [01:17] <mib_giwxzb> oh, . . . nevermind
#289 [01:17] <mib_giwxzb> I see
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#291 [01:17] <GELw0> ddd
#292 [01:18] <ziggo0> I had a rough time liking CentOS...Ubuntu gave me no issues with my raid setup as well as apt-get working flawlessly, guess I didn't give CentOS enough tiem.
#293 [01:18] <ssen> CentOS makes me angry.
#294 [01:18] <Shadow386> centos is working perfectly for me and Im used to it :P
#295 [01:18] <GELw0> I need some help with seting up a server can anyone help me?
#296 [01:18] <jscinoz> Ubuntu was too restrictive for me, broken dependencies if you tried to do something in the slightest bit away from the standard-user mindset
#297 [01:18] <ssen> Mostly because grammar nazis keep telling me to capitalize the OS.
#298 [01:19] <Shadow386> CENTOS GOD DAMMIT FRONK
#299 [01:19] <GreyVulpine> GELw0 - What kind of help?
#300 [01:19] <GELw0> i setup a server and the blocks keep respawning after the are destroyed and the chunk updates are taking way to long
#301 [01:20] <ziggo0> move away from spawn?
#302 [01:20] <GELw0> I have a SSD also
#303 [01:20] <GELw0> i cant get past spawn
#304 [01:20] <ziggo0> Oh
#305 [01:20] <GELw0> big voids around me
#306 [01:21] <GELw0> my server is way past min specs also
#307 [01:21] <xales> GELw0: are you running any mods?
#308 [01:21] <GELw0> nope
#309 [01:21] <xales> and what are the specs, specifically
#310 [01:21] <xales> what OS as well
#311 [01:21] <xales> and is it the computer you are trying to play on
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#313 [01:22] <GELw0> windows xp, SSD pentium d, 3.40GHz, 2gbs of DDR2 ram and no
#314 [01:23] <xales> does the server have anything else running on it?
#315 [01:24] <GELw0> yes teamspeak
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#317 [01:25] <xales> turn everything else off, including teamspeak and any antivirus or firewall
#318 [01:25] <GELw0> ok let me try and if it wont work i will be back lol
#319 [01:26] <ziggo0> By chance is the network card realtek based?
#320 [01:26] <GELw0> dont thinks so i can check
#321 [01:27] <GELw0> yea i think it is
#322 [01:27] <GELw0> if it is what do i need to do lol
#323 [01:28] <ziggo0> Have you had any problems hosting before on this computer?
#324 [01:28] <GELw0> nope hosted a COD4 server and BF2 server
#325 [01:29] <xales> well, before we go into networking issues
#326 [01:29] <xales> how much RAM is it using while the MC server is running
#327 [01:29] <GELw0> not even a gig
#328 [01:30] <xales> is that allocated memory or used memory
#329 [01:30] <xales> =/
#330 [01:30] <GELw0> used mem
#331 [01:30] <xales> look at allocated
#332 [01:30] <xales> or rather, "free"
#333 [01:31] <GELw0> i will brb need to restart my pc
#334 [01:31] <xales> ok
#335 [01:31] <GELw0> stupid updates
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#337 [01:34] <GELw0> ok I am back how do i check the allocated mem
#338 [01:34] <GELw0> sorry not trying to sound dumb
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#340 [01:36] <xales> task manager
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#342 [01:36] <xales> "physical memory"
#343 [01:36] <MeowTV2> .
#344 [01:36] <MeowTV2> hi
#345 [01:37] <MeowTV2> I wanted to know if there is something to know concerning the new 1.2 server and WorldEdit?
#346 [01:38] <GreyVulpine> WorldEdit?
#347 [01:38] <GreyVulpine> That a hey0 mod?
#348 [01:38] <MeowTV2> yes, it worked fine with mod133
#349 [01:38] <MeowTV2> yes
#350 [01:38] <MeowTV2> i guess it's not compatible anymore
#351 [01:39] <GELw0> 2096348
#352 [01:39] <MeowTV2> meh?
#353 [01:39] <GreyVulpine> No it doesn't
#354 [01:39] <MeowTV2> oki, so i guess there will be a new release?
#355 [01:39] <xales> GELw0: what is that?
#356 [01:39] <GELw0> physical memory
#357 [01:40] <GreyVulpine> MeowTV2, most likely not.
#358 [01:40] <MeowTV2> ah damn!
#359 [01:40] <GreyVulpine> hey0 is no longer continuing development on hmod
#360 [01:40] <MeowTV2> how am i supposed to make spheres nao?
#361 [01:40] <MeowTV2> ^^
#362 [01:41] <MeowTV2> Mcedit still works, right?
#363 [01:41] <GreyVulpine> Don't know, haven't tried
#364 [01:41] <MeowTV2> oki, ill test it
#365 [01:41] <MeowTV2> thx anyway
#366 [01:41] <xales> GELw0: What is the number for allocated/used/free
#367 [01:42] <MeowTV2> !check feliscatus.kick-ass.net
#368 [01:42] <xales> there should be a set of three somewhere
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#370 [01:42] <MeowTV2> hmm
#371 [01:42] <MeowTV2> !check 85.171.87.115
#372 [01:42] <MeowTV2> doh!
#373 [01:42] <MeowTV2> !check feliscatus.kicks-ass.net
#374 [01:42] <MeowTV2> ah!
#375 [01:42] <MeowTV2> ok forgot one s..
#376 [01:42] <MeowTV2> cya
#377 [01:43] <GELw0> all i see is total, available, and system cache
#378 [01:46] <GELw0> where
#379 [01:46] <xales> what are those numbers
#380 [01:47] <GELw0> total 2096348 availble 1330732 system cache 4251208
#381 [01:49] <GELw0> xales brb
#382 [01:49] <xales> hmm, well
#383 [01:49] <xales> it doesn't look like a RAM issue
#384 [01:53] <GELw0> what does it look like then?
#385 [01:56] <GELw0> my download/upload speed to Canada is Download 19.00 Mb/s Upload 0.96 Mb/s
#386 [01:58] <ziggo0> Do you get a timeout eventually when connected?
#387 [02:00] <GELw0> i get a error but its not a timeout one it is a Java exception socket error if i am not mistaken
#388 [02:00] <xales> GELw0: what exactly is it?
#389 [02:00] <GELw0> i will have to set in the server till it happens hold on lol
#390 [02:01] <ziggo0> Same error as me//close enough to the problem I had.
#391 [02:01] <ziggo0> The box I use for testing stuff at home got upgraded, had a realtek onboard nic, aparently minecraft server does not like it at all.
#392 [02:02] <ziggo0> Swapped it out for a random card I had laying around, fixed that problem up
#393 [02:03] <GELw0> omg now it wont give me the error
#394 [02:04] <GELw0> Minecraft Internal exception: java.net.SocketException
#395 [02:04] <GELw0> this is my NIC Marvell yukon 88E8053 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet controler
#396 [02:04] <xales> it sounds like the NIC to me
#397 [02:05] <GELw0> so would my Nvidia one work?
#398 [02:06] <ziggo0> you could try disabling one and using the other
#399 [02:07] <GELw0> ok let me give that a try got to get under my server desk and do that
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#401 [02:10] <ziggo0> mmmm flac
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#406 [02:18] <Solvius> goodmorning, a new day with new changes :)
#407 [02:19] <ziggo0> That makes 2 of us
#408 [02:20] <fork> wow
#409 [02:20] <fork> big changes
#410 [02:20] <fork> spiders crawling on walls
#411 [02:20] <fork> FCK.
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#414 [02:22] <ziggo0> fork: http://i.imgur.com/sVQps.png
#415 [02:23] <fork> o ok
#416 [02:23] <fork> gotta make lips
#417 [02:23] <ziggo0> :D
#418 [02:27] <GELw0> ziggo0 nope still the same problem
#419 [02:28] <GELw0> i hit a block and destroy it and it dont give me the block and zombies just stand there
#420 [02:29] <ziggo0> :(
#421 [02:29] <ziggo0> That marvell nic is the same as the one in my wifes rig, mcsrv works fine on there
#422 [02:30] <GELw0> ok what do you think it could be
#423 [02:31] <ziggo0> Can I try to join?
#424 [02:31] <GELw0> can u connect to it and tell me what you think it could be
#425 [02:31] <ziggo0> lol.
#426 [02:31] <ziggo0> Ya
#427 [02:31] <GELw0> 99.246.99.0
#428 [02:32] <ziggo0> What's your server console sayin
#429 [02:32] <GELw0> warning cant keep up
#430 [02:32] <xales> GELw0: does it spam that or only say it once?
#431 [02:33] <ziggo0> I'm getting the same problem he is, server lag, chunks not loading, monsters not moving.
#432 [02:33] <ziggo0> text isnt showing up either
#433 [02:33] <GELw0> keeps saying it
#434 [02:33] <xales> if it keeps saying it, then its a hardware issue
#435 [02:33] <xales> meaning, you don't meet the minimum requirements
#436 [02:34] <ziggo0> yea its feelin that way
#437 [02:34] <xales> are you running the .exe or .jar?
#438 [02:34] <GELw0> .exe
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#440 [02:35] <GELw0> xales why?
#441 [02:36] <xales> if you are running the .jar you have to specify some command line arguments for it to run properly
#442 [02:36] <xales> yeah, it sounds like your computer can't handle running it then. sorry
#443 [02:37] <GELw0> a duel core 3.4Ghz 2 gigs of ram and a solid state drive is not good enough?
#444 [02:37] <fork> no
#445 [02:37] <fork> more ram
#446 [02:38] <GELw0> in task manger it shows it is only using 66 megs
#447 [02:38] <ziggo0> Which dual core is it?
#448 [02:38] <ziggo0> if you know
#449 [02:38] <GELw0> pen D
#450 [02:39] <ziggo0> ahh...pentium d's are a bit weak my friend
#451 [02:39] <ziggo0> however, if that is the only thing running on the box
#452 [02:39] <ziggo0> it shouldn't be like that
#453 [02:39] <GELw0> that is
#454 [02:40] <ziggo0> win xp?
#455 [02:40] <GELw0> yes
#456 [02:40] <GELw0> brb got to go the bathroom
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#458 [02:41] <ziggo0> Only thing further more I could suggest would be a fresh install of whatever OS, updates, drivers and gut the hell outta the OS, look at win server 2003 if you can get a copy
#459 [02:42] <xales> Windows Server is a joke
#460 [02:42] <xales> put linux on it
#461 [02:42] <ziggo0> I'd agree with that, but that might be a bit adventuous at first lol
#462 [02:43] <ziggo0> linz would be better on the resources ten fold
#463 [02:43] <xales> its not hard these days, Ubuntu installer is easier than windows
#464 [02:43] <xales> I've never seen something more dumbed-down in my life
#465 [02:43] <xales> ...not that people in here haven't had trouble with it. They have
#466 [02:43] <xales> Somehow
#467 [02:43] <ziggo0> lol...
#468 [02:43] <xales> :/
#469 [02:44] <ziggo0> xales, your fluent in linux I can imagine, I just got down throwing ubuntu on a box and when I ssh to it with putty, Login: comes up, I type my username and it waits like 15 seconds to ask for a password
#470 [02:44] <GELw0> back
#471 [02:44] <ziggo0> this has never happened before, even in vm's, any idea?
#472 [02:44] <xales> uhh...specs of that machine?
#473 [02:44] <xales> is it like, really old?
#474 [02:45] <xales> oh, actually, forget that
#475 [02:45] <xales> what client
#476 [02:45] <xales> putty?
#477 [02:45] <GELw0> for?
#478 [02:45] <KillSpammer> Beep
#479 [02:45] <xales> GELw0: not talking to you =/
#480 [02:45] <GELw0> sorry
#481 [02:45] <ziggo0> q6600/4gb of ram etc, putty for a client
#482 [02:45] <xales> GELw0: I can't really think of any way to get Minecraft to run on your hardware without running Linux and basically nothing else
#483 [02:46] <fork> putty with url handling i hope
#484 [02:46] <fork> :D
#485 [02:46] <xales> ziggo0: after you type the username, it tries to use any authentication it can before password
#486 [02:46] <xales> basically anything that is enabled
#487 [02:46] <xales> so, check that its not being dumb and hanging on a certificate check or something
#488 [02:47] <ziggo0> will do
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#490 [02:50] <Solvius> well, after this little conversation and the remark of xales, i am downloading ubuntu :)
#491 [02:51] <xales> ugh
#492 [02:51] <xales> ubuntu
#493 [02:51] <xales> :(
#494 [02:51] * xales dislikes ubuntu personally, its too simplified for his taste
#494 [02:51] <Solvius> not good? I have it allready
#495 [02:51] <Solvius> I need simple stuff
#496 [02:52] <Solvius> :D
#497 [02:52] <jeremys> So I updated and now my new iMac won't start minecraft, it crashes after the login. Anyone know if this is a known bug? Anything I can do?
#498 [02:52] <xales> jeremys: is there an error?
#499 [02:52] <jeremys> http://i54.tinypic.com/dre5hk.png
#500 [02:52] <fork> i have a solution but you dont want to hear it
#501 [02:53] <xales> fork, is it don't use a mac? :P
#502 [02:53] <jeremys> what, don't use a mac? :P
#503 [02:53] <fork> ding.
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#505 [02:53] <xales> jeremys: do you have any mods installed or texture packs or any sort of 3rd party program
#506 [02:53] <xales> for minecraft
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#508 [02:53] <jeremys> I had one texture pack installed is all. Wiped my Application Support/Minecraft folder clean, same thing
#509 [02:54] <jeremys> Re-downloaded the app too, just in case.
#510 [02:54] <xales> hmm
#511 [02:54] <jeremys> Happens after the update and login, before the main menu
#512 [02:55] <jeremys> Oh yeah and it works fine on a 15" mac laptop and mac pro tower. Just lucky I guess. :/
#513 [02:55] <xales> it looks like something is failing to be written to
#514 [02:55] <xales> but I don't know what
#515 [02:55] <xales> do you have any kind of silly antivirus or anything on there?
#516 [02:55] <jeremys> nope
#517 [02:56] <xales> also, i've started checking lately, new policy of sorts. whats your minecraft username?
#518 [02:56] <jeremys> I'll check the permissions really quick, but doubt that's the issue. It re-created all the files after the wipe
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#520 [02:56] <jeremys> slycrel
#521 [02:56] <xales> (recently a LOT of people have been coming here asking for help with pirated versions or cracked copies and whatnot)
#522 [02:56] <jeremys> it's not pirated. :P
#523 [02:57] <xales> alright, thanks.
#524 [02:57] <xales> just wanted to be sure
#525 [02:57] <jeremys> too bad you have to field those though
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#527 [02:57] * xales points to /topic
#527 [02:57] <xales> :)
#528 [02:57] <fork> lol
#529 [02:57] <Solvius> burn baby burn me ubuntu :)
#530 [02:57] <fork> asking for help with a pirated version
#531 [02:57] <fork> boy thats stupid
#532 [02:57] <GreyVulpine> No, that's not as bad as people asking where to get "free" beta versions
#533 [02:58] <GreyVulpine> Or asking for a handout, because they're too poor
#534 [02:58] <Solvius> lol
#535 [02:58] <fork> so whats this optimine mod thing
#536 [02:58] <GreyVulpine> optimine?
#537 [02:58] <fork> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Version_history
#538 [02:58] <Solvius> isnt this a closed beta testin where we pay for :)
#539 [02:59] <GreyVulpine> closed beta? Nah
#540 [02:59] <jeremys> Permissions seem fine. Are there any other places I should check for minecraft files?
#541 [02:59] <GreyVulpine> We're paying for the fact that we get to play minecraft before it's finished.
#542 [02:59] <lukegb> xales: but you don't need to crack it T_T :P
#543 [02:59] <fork> i dont really look at it as paying
#544 [02:59] <fork> more like donating for something that only gets more fun
#545 [03:00] <Solvius> yes grey that we do, I your correct, everybody is free to play it, its not closed
#546 [03:00] <xales> jeremys: A buffer overflow during a write...shouldn't happen
#547 [03:00] <xales> I can't think of why it would do that
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#549 [03:00] <GreyVulpine> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIkLBHf5S8w - Tetris, with music blocks. Skip forward to 1:30 for the start.
#550 [03:00] <xales> well, actually, thats not write, its trying to load something into memory. hrm
#551 [03:01] <xales> jeremys: can you create a new user account and try playing it in the new account?
#552 [03:01] <jeremys> re-cleaned the folder just in case, same problem. I think it might just be something specific to this model of mac or something?
#553 [03:01] <jeremys> Sure, I can give that a shot. One sec
#554 [03:01] <Solvius> got to go, latersss
#555 [03:02] <xales> fork: http://darksigns.net/stupididiot.log
#556 [03:02] <fork> ffs
#557 [03:02] <fork> this video
#558 [03:02] <fork> wow.
#559 [03:02] <xales> and my favorite
#560 [03:02] <xales> http://darksigns.net/dumbpirate.log
#561 [03:04] <xales> especially the end of that
#562 [03:04] <xales> :)
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#564 [03:05] <GreyVulpine> Really think that one should be tweeted to Notch
#565 [03:05] <GreyVulpine> video's been out barely an hour
#566 [03:06] <jeremys> well that is interesting. It works on a new account
#567 [03:06] <GigaClon> I placed some stairs and they are invisible
#568 [03:06] <jeremys> And on a funny note, I started a new single player world and spawned in a pool of lava
#569 [03:06] <GreyVulpine> Heh, that's not supposed to happen
#570 [03:06] <jeremys> but that doesn't explain what's happening on my current account.
#571 [03:06] <fork> lol
#572 [03:06] <fork> after reading those logs
#573 [03:07] <fork> maybe someone needs to code up a system for irc help that checks that their username is valid
#574 [03:07] <GreyVulpine> !paid me
#575 [03:07] * GreyVulpine coughs
#575 [03:07] <fork> fuckers always one step ahead of me.
#576 [03:08] <xales> >:D
#577 [03:08] <xales> my bot does it too hehehe
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#579 [03:08] <LatHans> !paid me
#580 [03:08] <xales> .haspaid notch
#581 [03:08] <VoteSlave> notch has paid for Minecraft!
#582 [03:08] <xales> .part #minecrafthelp
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#584 [03:08] <LatHans> hm
#585 [03:08] <jeremys> xales any reason why it would work on a new account and not on my current one?
#586 [03:09] <xales> jeremys: I'd imagine its something to do with the folder in application support
#587 [03:09] <fork> !paid krof
#588 [03:09] <xales> did you just delete the bin subfolder or the entire .minecraft folder?
#589 [03:09] <xales> !paid aubot
#590 [03:09] <jeremys> uh, I deleted it! So prob not...
#591 [03:09] <jeremys> the whole folder
#592 [03:09] <LatHans> !paid lathans
#593 [03:09] <LatHans> yay
#594 [03:10] <xales> well, it was something linked to your account
#595 [03:10] <xales> I'm not sure what, unfortunately
#596 [03:10] <fork> too bad you cant verify that is actually someone's account
#597 [03:10] <xales> sadly, yeah
#598 [03:10] <jeremys> well, that gives me soemthing to go on anyhow. tyvm xales.
#599 [03:11] <xales> most people aren't smart enough to lie though, because we don't make it obvious why we want their username
#600 [03:11] <xales> no problem, jeremys
#601 [03:11] <fork> tbh
#602 [03:11] <fork> if they're dumb enough to come in here asking for help with a pirated copy
#603 [03:11] <xales> fork: and it is very obvious if you have to think of a username to give us, and poke around on the forums or some such
#604 [03:11] <fork> i say troll the hell out of them
#605 [03:11] <xales> oh, we do
#606 [03:11] <xales> we had some good trolls last night
#607 [03:11] <xales> let me find you one
#608 [03:11] <fork> haha
#609 [03:11] <fork> good fun
#610 [03:13] <ziggo0> !paid ziggo0
#611 [03:13] <ziggo0> cute
#612 [03:14] <GreyVulpine> http://pastebin.com/pXtgvQKT
#613 [03:15] <xales> lol
#614 [03:15] <xales> gah
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#617 [03:23] <GreyVulpine> What irks me sometimes, is when people try to help, but really don't know what they're saying sometimes
#618 [03:23] <GreyVulpine> http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=60813#p964447
#619 [03:23] <GreyVulpine> on down.
#620 [03:23] <GreyVulpine> old thread, eventually worked it out.
#621 [03:23] * xales likes those too
#621 [03:24] <xales> also, in my boredom, lol @ most viewed knowledgebase article. http://esper.net/support/
#622 [03:24] <GreyVulpine> O.o
#623 [03:24] <GreyVulpine> really? operserv is the most viewed?
#624 [03:25] <GreyVulpine> Either we got some users who really don't know what operserv does.. or some opers that..
#625 [03:25] <xales> I'd assume its users
#626 [03:25] <xales> opers probably would just /msg operserv help, xD
#627 [03:25] * GreyVulpine snerks.
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#628 [03:26] <xales> oh anyway, if you haven't peeked in on recent discussion in that channel
#629 [03:26] <xales> I'd suggest peeking now
#630 [03:26] <xales> :)
#631 [03:26] <GreyVulpine> Oh no.. what's going on?
#632 [03:27] <xales> nothing bad
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#634 [03:27] <xales> I don't mean #minecraft, if you thought I did
#635 [03:27] <GreyVulpine> Oh
#636 [03:27] <GreyVulpine> Okay then
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#639 [03:29] <dopeghoti> I think, seeing that thread, that the problem was that Siol was not properly parsing 'router behind router' as nested NAT or meta masquerading of whatever idiom you prefer.
#640 [03:29] <dopeghoti> anyhow, 'night.
#641 [03:29] <xales> GreyVulpine: I mean the +s channel we are in :)
#642 [03:29] <GreyVulpine> I know
#643 [03:29] <xales> ok
#644 [03:31] <GreyVulpine> Oh, here's a good one.
#645 [03:31] <GreyVulpine> [05:02.18pm] <D3M0N> can someone help me? im trying to put the minecraft java applet onto my website
#646 [03:31] <GreyVulpine> [05:02.30pm] <D3M0N> so my server users can play from my websute
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#648 [03:32] <moraisen> hi
#649 [03:32] <GreyVulpine> 'lo
#650 [03:32] <moraisen> my prob: minecraft beta works perfect in the browser, but the exe won't start
#651 [03:32] <xales> what happens when you try to start it?
#652 [03:33] <xales> lol Grey, browsing dem old logs I see?
#653 [03:34] <moraisen> under normal conditions the window keeps black, under win 98 compatibillity i get an error log
#654 [03:34] <GreyVulpine> mmhmm
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#656 [03:35] <chickenoodlz> iso help... minecraft keeps rebooting my computer
#657 [03:35] <chickenoodlz> i havent been able to play.. just bought it today
#658 [03:35] <xales> chickenoodlz: what is your username?
#659 [03:35] <moraisen> of course i have got the newest java installed
#660 [03:36] <chickenoodlz> chickenoodlz
#661 [03:36] <xales> ok
#662 [03:36] <xales> what kind of computer are you trying to run it on (desktop, laptop)
#663 [03:36] <chickenoodlz> desktop
#664 [03:36] <chickenoodlz> windows xp
#665 [03:37] <xales> do you know how much RAM it has?
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#667 [03:37] <chickenoodlz> let me re check
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#669 [03:38] <chickenoodlz> 1.75 gb of ram
#670 [03:38] <chickenoodlz> 1.80 ghz
#671 [03:39] <GreyVulpine> Ah, here's one asking how to update his pirated copy - http://pastebin.com/UKDabSPu
#672 [03:39] <chickenoodlz> i dont know if i should be hiding after saying that.. but i know nothing about that kinda stuff haha
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#674 [03:39] <xales> chickenoodlz: the CPU is 1.80ghz?
#675 [03:39] <xales> is it a pentium something?
#676 [03:40] <chickenoodlz> pentium(r) 4 cpu 2.80ghz
#677 [03:40] <xales> what graphics card?
#678 [03:40] <chickenoodlz> how do i check that?
#679 [03:41] <GreyVulpine> start -> run -> dxdiag -> display tab
#680 [03:41] <chickenoodlz> does it help to say i play starcraft and diablo 2 on this computer?
#681 [03:41] <mib_oaw0zl> do i need to start a whole other single player survival game (created during 1.1.2) to have ALL of the content added for 1.2?
#682 [03:41] <chickenoodlz> k leme check
#683 [03:41] <GreyVulpine> Doesn't help at all
#684 [03:41] <xales> mib_oaw0zl: I don't think so
#685 [03:41] <mib_oaw0zl> bc i saw once that you had to create a new game to get red stones
#686 [03:41] <GreyVulpine> mib_oaw0zl - If you want to see new blocks, then you'll need to travel to the ungenerated borders of your world.. or you can generate a new one
#687 [03:41] <mib_oaw0zl> before the red stones were added
#688 [03:42] <mib_oaw0zl> oh ok, that makes sense
#689 [03:42] <mib_oaw0zl> thanks
#690 [03:42] <xales> GreyVulpine: also, I suggest a new policy
#691 [03:42] <chickenoodlz> do i put down the name?
#692 [03:42] <xales> chickenoodlz: yes
#693 [03:42] <GreyVulpine> xales - Hmm?
#694 [03:42] <xales> GreyVulpine: I think we should always check a users premium status before helping them with anything
#695 [03:42] <GreyVulpine> Bleh, too much work
#696 [03:42] <xales> not too much
#697 [03:42] <GreyVulpine> Sometimes it's easy
#698 [03:42] <GreyVulpine> [06:23.32pm] <jetstone644> browsing youtube just to see tutorials on how to crack minecraft alpha, making it free to download and no one has to pay.....
#699 [03:42] <xales> just ask then !paid
#700 [03:42] <chickenoodlz> says VIA Chrom9 HC IGP Family
#701 [03:43] <moraisen> xales can you help me?
#702 [03:43] <xales> yeah, that will be the problem
#703 [03:43] <chickenoodlz> aww :(
#704 [03:43] <chickenoodlz> am i going to have to buy stuff?
#705 [03:43] <xales> moraisen: yeah, one sec
#706 [03:43] <moraisen> :>
#707 [03:43] <xales> chickenoodlz: yeah, that stuff would likely be a whole new computer
#708 [03:43] <chickenoodlz> >.>
#709 [03:43] <xales> I can't see any way to get Minecraft to run on that computer
#710 [03:43] <GreyVulpine> What is that, a laptop computer?
#711 [03:44] <chickenoodlz> did i get ripped off on this computer?
#712 [03:44] <chickenoodlz> no
#713 [03:44] <xales> chickenoodlz: depends on how much you paid for it
#714 [03:44] <xales> if it was over $300? yes
#715 [03:44] <chickenoodlz> i forgot
#716 [03:44] <chickenoodlz> been so long haha
#717 [03:44] <chickenoodlz> if my old computer had better stuff than this computer.. i think i did get ripped off.. but oh well.
#718 [03:45] <chickenoodlz> ima have to wait untill i get my laptop then >.>
#719 [03:45] <xales> that computer might have been modern in like, 2003
#720 [03:45] <xales> :/
#721 [03:45] <GreyVulpine> I don't know, that video card says it can support OpenGL 1.4, but I don't know
#722 [03:45] <chickenoodlz> -.- we did get ripped off
#723 [03:45] <chickenoodlz> the guy who sold it to us was replacing the one i burned
#724 [03:45] <GreyVulpine> If it does, you still wouldn't be able to run minecraft smoothly on it
#725 [03:46] <xales> GreyVulpine: I think you ned OpenGL 2
#726 [03:46] <xales> need*
#727 [03:46] <GreyVulpine> 1.3 is the absolute minimum
#728 [03:46] <chickenoodlz> he sold it to us in the begining of 2010
#729 [03:46] <xales> oh, well
#730 [03:46] <GreyVulpine> You really got ripped off
#731 [03:46] <chickenoodlz> said it was "new"
#732 [03:46] <xales> ^
#733 [03:46] <chickenoodlz> damn >.>
#734 [03:46] <xales> That hardware is from 2005 at best
#735 [03:46] <chickenoodlz> ima talk to my dad.. go get some money back
#736 [03:47] <chickenoodlz> he prolly took parts from my old computer too :(
#737 [03:47] <chickenoodlz> no wonder i couldnt run cinema 4d and after affects >.>
#738 [03:47] <chickenoodlz> said i needed a 64 bit something
#739 [03:47] <chickenoodlz> well thanks guys
#740 [03:47] <chickenoodlz> i needed a new computer anyway haha
#741 [03:48] <chickenoodlz> peace
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#744 [03:48] <xales> oh, moraisen, you still around?
#745 [03:48] <xales> sorry :/
#746 [03:50] <xales> I've got to go, GreyVulpine, 4am now :(
#747 [03:50] <xales> have fun being helpful :)
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#751 [03:54] <GreyVulpine> Heh, laters xales
#752 [03:55] <jeremys> hey, for anyone interested, I finally got my minecraft fixed for my main user account
#753 [03:55] <moraisen> :3
#754 [03:55] <GreyVulpine> Yay. What did you do?
#755 [03:55] <jeremys> I had to delete ~/Library/Caches/Java folder
#756 [03:55] <GreyVulpine> Ah, thanks for the heads up
#757 [03:55] <moraisen> xales forget about my problem
#758 [03:55] <jeremys> no idea what was being stored in there, but it worked.
#759 [03:56] <moraisen> my notebook isnt strong enough
#760 [03:56] <jeremys> so for future reference. =)
#761 [03:56] <moraisen> it lags too much ;)
#762 [03:56] <moraisen> thx for help
#763 [03:56] <moraisen> cya
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#765 [03:56] <GreyVulpine> Try pressing .\
#766 [03:56] <GreyVulpine> bah
#767 [03:56] <jeremys> very late here so I'm going to bed. But wanted to pass that along.
#768 [03:56] <jeremys> Thanks for the help all.
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#770 [03:57] <GreyVulpine> Hah, I remember that one.
#771 [03:57] <GreyVulpine> http://pastebin.com/eS9Gpdt6
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#781 [04:11] <frogaincia> Hey guys I have a question
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#784 [04:20] <Solvius> back, on an installed ubuntu :)
#785 [04:21] <Solvius> thnx xales it works
#786 [04:21] <Valium> neat
#787 [04:21] <GreyVulpine> xales is off
#788 [04:21] <Solvius> ok
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#792 [04:26] <braethias> Currently running a MP server for LAN, made a portal to the nether but doesn't seem to port me to it, all I have to do is stand in it, right?
#793 [04:27] <GreyVulpine> Portals don't work in SMP
#794 [04:27] <braethias> Oh. Alright, thanks. I had figured as much.
#795 [04:27] <GreyVulpine> SMP servers can't run both the overworld and nether at the same time. Plan is for nether portals to be inter-server portals in the future.
#796 [04:28] <braethias> That sounds complicated, heh
#797 [04:28] <TheBix> hey
#798 [04:29] <TheBix> oh yay I can still speak here
#799 [04:29] <TheBix> so yeah is minecraft multiplayer fucked again?
#800 [04:29] <GreyVulpine> Define "fucked"
#801 [04:29] <TheBix> doesn't work and like only 3% of servers are working
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#803 [04:29] <GreyVulpine> Of course.
#804 [04:29] <TheBix> ...
#805 [04:29] <TheBix> wtf
#806 [04:29] <GreyVulpine> Server admins have to get off their lazy asses and update manually
#807 [04:30] <GreyVulpine> Has been like that since the start
#808 [04:30] <TheBix> yeah but hasn't it been out for a whie
#809 [04:30] <TheBix> while*
#810 [04:30] <GreyVulpine> Just came out yesterday
#811 [04:30] <TheBix> yeah so thats a while for some of the big servers
#812 [04:30] <GreyVulpine> Heh, sure.
#813 [04:30] <GreyVulpine> Also, because hmod is basically dead.. and there's no real mod support anymore
#814 [04:31] <GreyVulpine> Kinda puts a hamper on those big servers getting back up
#815 [04:31] <Solvius> lol, cant install nvidia drivers :) well Iḿ off to windows again
#816 [04:31] <GreyVulpine> #bukkit is still in development.
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#820 [04:55] <TheBix> fuck
#821 [04:55] <TheBix> notch broke minecart trax
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#828 [05:04] <thereddeh> ohh i hope im the first one everrr to build a pink house in beta xD
#829 [05:05] <thereddeh> are there any beta 1.2 texturepacks yet? ;p
#830 [05:05] <BlueSteelAU> not to my knowledge
#831 [05:05] <Valium> make one
#832 [05:05] <thereddeh> how vast is your knowledge? ;p
#833 [05:06] <BlueSteelAU> 1.2 beta has been out for only about a day so far so give them time
#834 [05:06] <Valium> it's just a png guize
#835 [05:06] <BlueSteelAU> I just went through them all on the Texture pack thread on the forum :)
#836 [05:06] <thereddeh> notch should release info to good texturemakers before the release ;p
#837 [05:07] <thereddeh> wow 10 squid in 1 little lake
#838 [05:07] <Valium> then he would have given away the fact that the colored cloth was back
#839 [05:07] <Valium> thereddeh: I had 3 in a 3x3x2deep
#840 [05:08] <thereddeh> let them sigh
#841 [05:08] <thereddeh> sign a non-disclosure agreement
#842 [05:14] <BlueSteelAU> and NDA would only be valid in that country.. thats why i can't get workas an alpha tester for other software from many companies, because i'm not in their country
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#847 [05:42] <dolfod> hello
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#849 [05:43] <dolfod> anyone herE?
#850 [05:44] <dolfod> :'(
#851 [05:44] <TheBix> hello
#852 [05:45] <dolfod> anyone knows where to start if i want to make a minecraft server mod
#853 [05:45] <TheBix> uh. Well I'd just make a custom server
#854 [05:45] <TheBix> but thats just me
#855 [05:45] <dolfod> where can i find documentation about that
#856 [05:46] <TheBix> um
#857 [05:46] <TheBix> http://mc.kev009.com/wiki/Protocol
#858 [05:46] <TheBix> all you need to know
#859 [05:46] <TheBix> (about the protocol)
#860 [05:46] <dolfod> nice link
#861 [05:47] <dolfod> u know if there is a "vanilla" server source where i can start from
#862 [05:47] <lukegb> there's mcp
#863 [05:47] <lukegb> or https://github.com/Bukkit/mc-dev/
#864 [05:48] <dolfod> i read a little about bukkit
#865 [05:48] <dolfod> is like a MC server with pluggin support?
#866 [05:50] <TheBix> how do I get chickens to lay eggs
#867 [05:50] <TheBix> they just don't seem to be doing it :(
#868 [05:53] <TheBix> also are flowers renewable?
#869 [05:54] <dolfod> what do you mean
#870 [05:56] <TheBix> can you get an infinite amount in a finite area/
#871 [05:56] <TheBix> like trees for example
#872 [06:00] <nipper> Anyone here good with making clocks? I am wondering there a way to get it to pulse faster then a 5 clock.
#873 [06:01] <TheBix> you can have a 1 clock
#874 [06:07] <TheBix> i'm still waiting on an egg
#875 [06:07] <TheBix> wtf is this shit notch?
#876 [06:09] <dolfod> lol
#877 [06:09] <dolfod> i believe you have to hit the chickens
#878 [06:09] <dolfod> its the only way i think
#879 [06:09] <TheBix> I tried
#880 [06:09] <dolfod> i havent seen chickens lay eggs by themselves on any server
#881 [06:10] <TheBix> yeah
#882 [06:10] <thereddeh> chickens do lay them by themselves
#883 [06:10] <dolfod> btw mc-dev feels kinda ilegalish lol
#884 [06:10] <dolfod> is a decompiled miencraft server? lol
#885 [06:11] <TheBix> no its not
#886 [06:12] <TheBix> thats what I thought but yeah by notch's own words
#887 [06:12] <TheBix> everything is legal
#888 [06:12] <TheBix> even MP hax by the looks of it
#889 [06:12] <dolfod> its anarchy! love it
#890 [06:12] <TheBix> ofc that would then be governed by the server rules
#891 [06:12] <thereddeh> wtf there are mp hax? i was thinking my friend was dodgy ;p
#892 [06:13] <TheBix> I dev my own hax for games
#893 [06:13] <dolfod> well i think notch should allow everything, but not letting people play for free
#894 [06:13] <TheBix> only retards go D/L or even buy hax
#895 [06:13] <thereddeh> only retards use hax ;)
#896 [06:14] <dolfod> im too lazy to analyze packets
#897 [06:14] <TheBix> I mean come on. Its pretty cool if you made it yourself. Its like a challenge
#898 [06:14] <dolfod> and yeah lol that sites that sell hacks
#899 [06:14] <dolfod> when in reality its a trojan cocktail
#900 [06:15] <TheBix> yeah making them public just lets every second retard able to get their hands on hax tho
#901 [06:15] <dolfod> and allow the devs to fix it
#902 [06:15] <TheBix> I guess theres that side of it
#903 [06:15] <dolfod> ok imma play a little with mc-dev
#904 [06:15] <dolfod> is it 1.2 beta ?
#905 [06:16] <TheBix> what is mc-dev?
#906 [06:16] <dolfod> compatible?
#907 [06:16] <dolfod> https://github.com/Bukkit/mc-dev/tree/master/net/minecraft/server
#908 [06:16] <dolfod> source code of a MC server
#909 [06:17] <TheBix> seriously plants should be renewable
#910 [06:17] <dolfod> well i think that you should get seeds for every plant you destroy
#911 [06:17] <TheBix> exactly
#912 [06:18] <dolfod> has anyone here use the bukkit api to do something?
#913 [06:18] <TheBix> whats that?
#914 [06:18] <dolfod> apparently an api to make mods for MC
#915 [06:19] <TheBix> ah
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#918 [06:21] <dolfod> luke are you here?
#919 [06:22] <thereddeh> how u know my name o_O
#920 [06:22] <TheBix> hax
#921 [06:23] <dolfod> made an irc hax that traces down your facebook
#922 [06:23] <thereddeh> i didnt download ur trojan :o
#923 [06:23] <thereddeh> so then u know im hot ;p
#924 [06:23] <dolfod> lol that
#925 [06:23] <dolfod> anyway,
#926 [06:23] <dolfod> anyone familiar with bukkit here?
#927 [06:24] <thereddeh> u put water, lava and now milk in them
#928 [06:24] <thereddeh> only 3 iron ingots
#929 [06:24] <dolfod> not following man
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#931 [06:24] <thereddeh> excellent
#932 [06:25] <thereddeh> i didnt know man had twitter
#933 [06:25] <TheBix> waiiiiit
#934 [06:25] <TheBix> traces down your facebook?
#935 [06:25] <thereddeh> yeah its possible!
#936 [06:25] <thereddeh> honest!
#937 [06:25] <TheBix> how.
#938 [06:25] <dolfod> he just saidman
#939 [06:26] <dolfod> water, lava and milk
#940 [06:26] <dolfod> only 3 iron ingots
#941 [06:26] <TheBix> waiiit
#942 [06:26] <TheBix> so its bullshit
#943 [06:27] <thereddeh> nope im looking at your facebook right now
#944 [06:27] <TheBix> good for you
#945 [06:27] <TheBix> whats my name
#946 [06:27] <TheBix> I forgot
#947 [06:27] <thereddeh> pixie
#948 [06:28] <TheBix> stop trolling me >:(
#949 [06:28] <TheBix> silly internet. Not always easy to tell if some one is bullshitting you
#950 [06:28] <thereddeh> it is!
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#952 [06:29] <dolfod> well
#953 [06:33] <TheBix> fuck is this?? how long have I been looking for an eg now
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#957 [06:46] <lemon-rev> !check 60.226.145.90
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#961 [07:00] <lemon-rev> !check 60.226.145.90
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#963 [07:01] <lemon-rev> ok error guys
#964 [07:02] <lemon-rev> internal exception:java.io.utfdataformatexception:malformed input around byte 14
#965 [07:02] <lemon-rev> is that cause the server is out of date ?
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#968 [07:03] <lemon-rev> oh is it beta 2.0 or 1.2 it was 2.0 eariler this morning ?
#969 [07:04] <Deages> hey guys, quick question
#970 [07:04] <Deages> anyone know anything relating to an issue with server authentication - people can only connect when online-mode = false
#971 [07:04] <Deages> otherwise it 'took too long to log in'
#972 [07:04] <Deages> I just moved to a new host/doing a clean install and this issue came up
#973 [07:04] <Deages> I turned off iptables >_>
#974 [07:06] <Smiley> :/
#975 [07:06] <Smiley> can you ping minecraft.net from the host?
#976 [07:07] <Deages> yep
#977 [07:07] <Deages> 12 packets transmitted, 11 received, 8% packet loss, time 11000ms
#978 [07:07] <Deages> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 237.498/238.253/239.882/0.686 ms
#979 [07:07] <Deages> ignore that loss, I ended it abruptly
#980 [07:08] <Deages> oh boy.
#981 [07:08] <Deages> I have two screens running, one pining minecraft.net the other running SMP
#982 [07:08] <Deages> now I can log in
#983 [07:08] <Deages> :s
#984 [07:09] <Deages> what's up with that?
#985 [07:09] <Deages> or fucking NOT
#986 [07:10] <Deages> now it can't ping minecraft.net
#987 [07:10] <Deages> :(
#988 [07:10] <Deages> java.net.UnknownHostException: www.minecraft.net
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#990 [07:12] <Deages> and suddenly, I can ping it again (it no longer says host not found) and connect too
#991 [07:12] <Deages> this is doing my head in D:
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#997 [07:24] <confedsg> Do you guys help with accounts aswell or just getting the game running?
#998 [07:24] <confedsg> :'(
#999 [07:25] <mbentley> depends on what issues you are having...
#1000 [07:25] <mbentley> we don't have backend access
#1001 [07:25] <lemon-rev> accounts you will have to email the sites email address
#1002 [07:25] <lemon-rev> for your account troubles
#1003 [07:25] <confedsg> Roger D: just I can't change my email address
#1004 [07:25] <confedsg> Its showing up as my old password :S
#1005 [07:26] <mbentley> try to reset your password at minecraft.net?
#1006 [07:26] <confedsg> Can't because it thinks my email address is my old password..
#1007 [07:26] <confedsg> Like idk how it happed xD
#1008 [07:26] <confedsg> *Happened
#1009 [07:26] <mbentley> so you tried here? >> http://www.minecraft.net/forgotpass.jsp
#1010 [07:28] <confedsg> It was giving me a error before, but now it says an email has been sent
#1011 [07:28] <confedsg> Just on my profile page it has my email address
#1012 [07:28] <confedsg> As an old password I used like back when I first made it
#1013 [07:28] <confedsg> >.>
#1014 [07:30] <confedsg> Whats the main email I should send to? The payment one or is there another?
#1015 [07:30] <mbentley> support@mojang.com i suppose
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#1017 [07:30] <mbentley> there might be another...
#1018 [07:30] <mbentley> one sec
#1019 [07:30] <Flokass> Hi I need help
#1020 [07:30] <confedsg> Ok :)
#1021 [07:30] <mbentley> daniel@mojang.com
#1022 [07:30] <mbentley> CC that email as well
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#1024 [07:31] <Flokass> I allways get this error if I try to connect to a public server: http://cl.ly/3zwo (screenshot)
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#1026 [07:31] <confedsg> Thanks bent
#1027 [07:31] <mbentley> np
#1028 [07:31] <Deages> I got that too Flokass
#1029 [07:31] <mbentley> Flokass: you are trying to connect to a server that has not been updated
#1030 [07:31] <Deages> apparently it's a hmod issue
#1031 [07:31] <Deages> or that
#1032 [07:31] <mbentley> same thing basically :)
#1033 [07:32] <Flokass> @mbentley: I'm new here on Minecraft community :-) What server?
#1034 [07:32] <Flokass> @mbentley: Give so one pls :-)
#1035 [07:32] <mbentley> do you just need one to test your connection with?
#1036 [07:32] <Flokass> yes
#1037 [07:33] <mbentley> i don't exactly have a list or anything but there is a massive list on the forums
#1038 [07:33] <mbentley> my test server: home.mbentley.net:12345
#1039 [07:33] <Flokass> where?
#1040 [07:33] <mbentley> let me find the list
#1041 [07:33] <Flokass> what the fuck
#1042 [07:33] <Flokass> it works!
#1043 [07:33] <mbentley> http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewforum.php?f=1025
#1044 [07:34] <Flokass> but my server and the servers of my friends dont work :(#
#1045 [07:34] <Flokass> but all of my friends can connect
#1046 [07:34] <mbentley> they need to be updated. ask the person running the server to update it
#1047 [07:34] <mbentley> my server is running a non-modified server install
#1048 [07:36] <Deages> hey mbentley
#1049 [07:36] <Deages> you seem quite up to date on things
#1050 [07:36] <mbentley> yes Deages
#1051 [07:36] <mbentley> i try to be :D
#1052 [07:36] <Deages> what about refused connection/took too long?
#1053 [07:36] <Deages> unless the host is pinging minecraft.net
#1054 [07:36] <Deages> that's shitting me off
#1055 [07:36] <treetop> think everyones server is =x
#1056 [07:36] <Deages> I just migrated to a new host and etc, so this is a new issue for me
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#1058 [07:36] <mbentley> hmm, that's very strange
#1059 [07:37] <Flokass> op the problem is that the other servers are all not updated?
#1060 [07:37] <mbentley> ping is showing minecraft.net's ip as 194.28.157.42 ?
#1061 [07:37] <Flokass> *op = ok
#1062 [07:37] <Deages> I can't tell you atm I got one of the techs to have a look at the server
#1063 [07:37] <mbentley> Flokass: yes, if you get that 'malformed byte...' error, that would be it
#1064 [07:37] <mbentley> ah
#1065 [07:37] <Deages> had another slight issue that wasn't related to MC
#1066 [07:37] <Deages> so it's down for a bit
#1067 [07:38] <mbentley> Deages: that is the first time i have heard of an issue like that
#1068 [07:38] <Deages> dammit.
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#1070 [07:38] <Deages> I read a thread on the forums with people having the same issue
#1071 [07:38] <Deages> I lost the link though :(
#1072 [07:38] <Flokass> @mbentley: How to update an existing server?
#1073 [07:38] <mbentley> stop the server, download the new server file, start it back up
#1074 [07:38] <mbentley> !server
#1075 [07:39] <Flokass> ok
#1076 [07:41] <OODavo> AuBot: The .jar works on Windows too. :P
#1077 [07:41] <OODavo> Wait, you're a bot.
#1078 [07:41] <OODavo> I feel stupid now.
#1079 [07:41] <mbentley> lol
#1080 [07:41] <OODavo> The .jar does work fine on Windows, nonetheless.
#1081 [07:42] <mbentley> for simplicity sake...
#1082 [07:42] <Solvius> hello, back again
#1083 [07:42] <mbentley> typically if people don't know where to download the server files, they have no clue how to run the .jar properly
#1084 [07:42] <OODavo> The message would be simpler if it only listed one download, though.
#1085 [07:42] * mbentley shrugs
#1085 [07:42] <mbentley> makes sense to me
#1086 [07:42] <OODavo> And the .jar should just run on regular app launch?
#1087 [07:42] <mbentley> and it's not my bot ;)
#1088 [07:42] <OODavo> Pretty much just like an .exe anyway?
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#1090 [07:43] <Solvius> I could use some help with getting minecraft working under ubuntu :)
#1091 [07:43] <mbentley> it won't run with enough ram if you just launch it...
#1092 [07:43] <Flokass> @mbentley: Is there a way to get an older minecraft version and stay there?
#1093 [07:43] <mbentley> Flokass: nope
#1094 [07:43] <Flokass> damn
#1095 [07:43] <OODavo> mbentley: Oh, right. Forgot about that bit.
#1096 [07:43] <Flokass> damn damn damn
#1097 [07:43] <OODavo> I think there are client mods that disable updating.
#1098 [07:43] <OODavo> :|
#1099 [07:43] <Flokass> :(
#1100 [07:43] <OODavo> But they're mods so we can't say to use them.
#1101 [07:44] <mbentley> well i know of a way you can block the update but you won't be able to play online so it is pretty pointless imo
#1102 [07:44] <Flokass> How can I get this mods?
#1103 [07:44] <OODavo> You can play online with dudes that don't update their server software?
#1104 [07:45] <OODavo> Flokass: Google.
#1105 [07:45] <Flokass> ok
#1106 [07:45] <Flokass> ok but my client is already updated
#1107 [07:46] <Flokass> how to get the old version back?
#1108 [07:46] <OODavo> There are ways to download the older ones.
#1109 [07:46] <OODavo> I think there's a site called Retrocraft or something that archives them.
#1110 [07:46] <Flokass> thank you
#1111 [07:46] <Livity> Hello
#1112 [07:47] <Livity> Im looking for item id list.. where I can find one?
#1113 [07:47] <Livity> I need to spawn some items.
#1114 [07:47] <Livity> on server
#1115 [07:47] <Flokass> oh no
#1116 [07:47] <Flokass> http://www.zuriki.net/retrocraft/
#1117 [07:47] <Flokass> > "Retrocraft - Closed because apparently it infringes some form of copyright or something."
#1118 [07:48] <Flokass> @Livity: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Data_values
#1119 [07:48] <Solvius> ok, maybe someone knows it, i installed ubuntu 10-10 this morning, its upgraded and when I start, in my firefox, minecraft it gives me a white screen. What can i do ?
#1120 [07:48] <mbentley> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Data_values
#1121 [07:48] <mbentley> i've been ninja'd
#1122 [07:48] <Livity> ty
#1123 [07:48] <mbentley> Solvius: did you install the oracle jre?
#1124 [07:49] <Solvius> I didnt do that, allw as automated
#1125 [07:49] <mbentley> well you have to install it yourself which is why i was asking
#1126 [07:49] <Solvius> ok, does it need to be dowloaded to ?
#1127 [07:50] <mbentley> you install it via the package manager
#1128 [07:50] <Solvius> uhoh, I have no idea where or how to do that
#1129 [07:50] <Flokass> OODavo: some other way to get the old versions?
#1130 [07:50] <mbentley> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/09/how-to-install-java-jre-and-java-plugin.html
#1131 [07:50] <OODavo> Flokass: Sorry, not that I've heard of.
#1132 [07:51] <Solvius> I take a look thnx
#1133 [07:51] <Flokass> OODavo: :(
#1134 [07:51] <mbentley> np
#1135 [07:51] <OODavo> :(
#1136 [07:52] <OODavo> Why do you even want an old version, Flokass?
#1137 [07:53] <Kealper> my pirate senses are tingling, what's going on?
#1138 [07:53] <Flokass> the server has a mod
#1139 [07:53] <Flokass> and this mod dont work with the newest version
#1140 [07:53] <Flokass> :(
#1141 [07:53] <OODavo> Get a different mod?
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#1144 [07:56] <OODavo> What does this mod do, exactly?
#1145 [07:57] <Cial> which one?
#1146 [07:58] <OODavo> The one Flokass wants to use on the old server.
#1147 [08:01] <Flokass> yes
#1148 [08:01] <Flokass> Ok I try removing internet connection now
#1149 [08:01] <Solvius> I have a long list but I dont see java jre ?
#1150 [08:03] <Solvius> then i tried a terminal, but its not getting my password ???
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#1152 [08:06] <OODavo> Solvius: It's... not getting your password? What?
#1153 [08:06] <Solvius> no I solved it, its installing now
#1154 [08:07] <OODavo> Oh, okay.
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#1156 [08:10] <Solvius> does the configuring of the java jre take a long time ?
#1157 [08:10] <mbentley> no
#1158 [08:10] <mbentley> it should just install
#1159 [08:10] <OODavo> It might take time, though.
#1160 [08:10] <mbentley> you might have to do one more thing to get the java jre configured as the default
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#1162 [08:11] <Solvius> I see a window that I have to read the sgreement and do an ok, but Its nowhere, only that little menu woth ok at the bottom, the mouso does not work niether is enter
#1163 [08:11] <mbentley> you may need to run 'sudo update-alternatives --config java' from a terminal window to make it the default
#1164 [08:12] <Solvius> its just there doing nothing, i did it with a terminal
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#1166 [08:14] <Solvius> well it does nothing anny more, busy configuring sun-java6-jre is the message
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#1168 [08:17] <Solvius> when I want to close the terminal it says that a process is active and will be broken if I close that terminal
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#1170 [08:19] <mbentley> hmm
#1171 [08:20] <Solvius> mbentley doing your code it says there is nothing to configure
#1172 [08:20] <Ripht> guys, any ideas on forwarding a port without accessing your router settings =/
#1173 [08:20] <mbentley> Solvius: ok, that's alright
#1174 [08:20] <mbentley> so the jre install windows is just stuck?
#1175 [08:20] <Solvius> I closed that terminal
#1176 [08:21] <mbentley> might check to see what 'java -version' says
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#1179 [08:21] <Solvius> well, I got a grey menu that i have to an ok, but there was nowhere an ok button or so, and I didnt see the screen of the terminal annymore
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#1184 [08:26] <Solvius> I get a list with 36 items of java, but no JRE when I do a search in the softwarecentrum
#1185 [08:26] <fogwraith> Kealper!
#1186 [08:26] <Kealper> fogwraith!
#1187 [08:26] <fogwraith> Do you has the photoshop!?
#1188 [08:27] <Kealper> i do not has the photoshop, why?
#1189 [08:27] <Kealper> i only have paint.net :/
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#1191 [08:27] <fogwraith> Argh, I have no access to photoshops either at the moment, need to get a psd re-saved as is with png, importers screw up the styles ;P
#1192 [08:27] <mbentley> Solvius: sounds like you didn't enable to partner repository
#1193 [08:28] <Kealper> i think paint.net can do that....lemme check
#1194 [08:28] <fogwraith> Let me sling you a link for the PSD, it's tiny :P
#1195 [08:28] <Solvius> java version "1.6.0_20" OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea6 1.9.2) (6b20-1.9.2-0ubuntu2) OpenJDK Server VM (build 19.0-b09, mixed mode)
#1196 [08:28] <mbentley> blech
#1197 [08:28] <Kealper> fogwraith: nvm, it can't
#1198 [08:28] <fogwraith> Aw ;P
#1199 [08:28] <mbentley> Solvius: might try this guide >> http://www.liberiangeek.net/2010/09/install-sun-java-runtime-environment-jre-ubuntu-10-10-maverick-meerkat/
#1200 [08:29] <mbentley> screen shots and all
#1201 [08:29] <Solvius> ok, I take a look
#1202 [08:29] <Denden> Yo guys. Having problems hosting my Beta server after my bro messed with my router settings. I forwarded the TCP and UDP to 25565, but I'm still having problems. Anyone think they might be able to help?
#1203 [08:29] <mbentley> aah Solvius use this >> http://www.liberiangeek.net/2010/10/sun-java-runtime-jre-ubuntu-10-10-maverick-meerkat-partner-repository/
#1204 [08:29] <Denden> The server's running but I can't connect to it.
#1205 [08:29] <Kealper> Denden: can you connect using it's local address?
#1206 [08:30] <Denden> Nope.
#1207 [08:30] <OODavo> Denden: It's not the router, then.
#1208 [08:30] <Kealper> open server.properties
#1209 [08:30] <Denden> Right.
#1210 [08:30] <Kealper> erase the like that has the server ip
#1211 [08:30] <Kealper> well
#1212 [08:30] <Kealper> take the ip out of it
#1213 [08:31] <OODavo> Make it "server-ip"
#1214 [08:31] <Denden> There is no ip there... Huh.
#1215 [08:31] <Kealper> then that computer's ip changed
#1216 [08:31] <Denden> Wait, do I delete the '=' ?
#1217 [08:31] <OODavo> No, whoops
#1218 [08:31] <Denden> Thought so.
#1219 [08:31] <OODavo> You do need that.
#1220 [08:31] <OODavo> Hmm.
#1221 [08:31] <OODavo> Maybe it's your firewall.
#1222 [08:32] <OODavo> If it doesn't work locally it isn't a port forward issue.
#1223 [08:32] <Denden> I know my local ip, and I entered that exact string into the connect field.
#1224 [08:32] <OODavo> Try regular localhost, too.
#1225 [08:32] <Denden> As in lan?
#1226 [08:33] <OODavo> I meant connecting from the server to the server directly.
#1227 [08:33] <OODavo> 127.0.0.1
#1228 [08:33] <Denden> Right.
#1229 [08:33] <Denden> Does not seem to work.
#1230 [08:34] <OODavo> Oh dear.
#1231 [08:34] <Denden> Yep. I tried pretty much everything I could think of.
#1232 [08:34] <OODavo> Are you sure the server's even running?
#1233 [08:34] <Denden> I used to be able to host it just fine
#1234 [08:34] <Denden> [INFO] Starting minecraft server version Beta 1.2
#1235 [08:34] <Denden> [INFO] Loading properties
#1236 [08:34] <Denden> [INFO] Starting Minecraft server on *:50500
#1237 [08:34] <Denden> [INFO] Preparing level "world"
#1238 [08:34] <Denden> [INFO] Preparing start region
#1239 [08:34] <Denden> [INFO] Preparing spawn area: 8%
#1240 [08:34] <Denden> [INFO] Preparing spawn area: 28%
#1241 [08:34] <Denden> [INFO] Preparing spawn area: 48%
#1242 [08:34] <Denden> [INFO] Preparing spawn area: 65%
#1243 [08:35] <Denden> [INFO] Preparing spawn area: 81%
#1244 [08:35] <Denden> [INFO] Done! For help, type "help" or "?"
#1245 [08:35] <Denden> Also don't mind the port, I forwarded that.
#1246 [08:35] <OODavo> That looks right.
#1247 [08:35] * Kealper rages at spam
#1247 [08:35] <Denden> Sorry, Kealper. Won't happen again.
#1248 [08:35] <OODavo> Kealper: What spam?
#1249 [08:35] <Denden> Hopefully. :>
#1250 [08:35] <Kealper> OODavo: the 10 lines of paste
#1251 [08:35] <OODavo> That counts as spam?
#1252 [08:35] <Kealper> indeed it does
#1253 [08:36] <OODavo> Anyway, that appears to be setting up fine.
#1254 [08:36] <Kealper> http://mchelp.darksigns.net/rules.html
#1255 [08:36] <OODavo> What exactly happens on the client side when you connect?
#1256 [08:36] <Denden> My connection times outö.
#1257 [08:36] <Denden> out*
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#1259 [08:37] <Kealper> firewalls? antivirus software?
#1260 [08:37] <OODavo> What's the server run on, by the way?
#1261 [08:37] <Denden> Wait, actually, when I try connecting locally it refuses the connection
#1262 [08:37] <Denden> I run it on my stationary windows 7 OS, if that's what you meant.
#1263 [08:38] <OODavo> That is exactly what I meant.
#1264 [08:38] <OODavo> Hmm.
#1265 [08:38] <OODavo> Firewall could be doing something.
#1266 [08:38] <OODavo> Anything notable in the firewall logs?
#1267 [08:38] <Jonas> Firewall usually does everything
#1268 [08:38] <Denden> Not that I can see.
#1269 [08:39] <Jonas> Have you opened gates?
#1270 [08:39] <Denden> It hasn't been in the way before Beta, though
#1271 [08:39] <Denden> I can try shutting it off temporarily.
#1272 [08:39] <Jonas> Well, have you updated the server software?
#1273 [08:39] <Denden> Of course.
#1274 [08:39] <OODavo> Maybe the firewall noticed the change and started blocking the changed file?
#1275 [08:39] <OODavo> Some firewalls do that.
#1276 [08:39] <Jonas> Mine did
#1277 [08:40] <Denden> I hosted it in a completely new folder (aka new server - not my old one)
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#1279 [08:40] <Denden> New world and everything
#1280 [08:40] <OODavo> Perhaps the firewall blocked by default?
#1281 [08:40] <Jonas> And then it decided to take control over my computer, haven't gotten it on since
#1282 [08:40] <OODavo> Try turning it off and see what we get.
#1283 [08:40] <Denden> Yeah, gonna try that Davo.
#1284 [08:40] <OODavo> Jonas: Ouch. What firewall do you have?
#1285 [08:41] <Valium> Is there a way to modify a blocks damage bits?
#1286 [08:41] <Jonas> My lurvely touch screen refusus to turn on ;(
#1287 [08:41] <Jonas> Valium, you could use invedit
#1288 [08:42] <Valium> jonas, is that an out of game tool?
#1289 [08:42] <Jonas> Yes
#1290 [08:42] <Denden> Yes. It loads and saves your inventory for each world.
#1291 [08:42] <Solvius> well i did both links, and I add that what they say, and do this: Back into Software Center, type sun-java6-jre in the search box and click ‘Install.... now its just busy(1) and nothing happens
#1292 [08:42] <Jonas> If you are thinking about tool, weapon and shield duability, it'll do the job fine :)
#1293 [08:42] <Valium> thanks, but I need something I can use in game, specifically, am I'm looking at it, there is apparently only one dye item and one wool/cloth item
#1294 [08:42] <OODavo> Solvius: Look at the detailed console view on the install. See what's happening.
#1295 [08:43] <Valium> but the color is determined by the damage flag bits
#1296 [08:43] <Jonas> Valium, there is the single player command mod
#1297 [08:43] <Jonas> That let's you /give in ssp
#1298 [08:43] <Solvius> there is no install, he cant find the java JRE
#1299 [08:43] <Jonas> If that is what you want
#1300 [08:43] <OODavo> Solvius: On the box that's busy?
#1301 [08:43] <Valium> Jonas, more details: for SMP.
#1302 [08:43] <OODavo> Is there a box up trying to install or something?
#1303 [08:43] <Jonas> Hmh?
#1304 [08:44] <fogwraith> Oohh, griefers that are capable of reading
#1305 [08:44] <Solvius> nothing pops up
#1306 [08:44] * fogwraith bans
#1306 [08:44] <OODavo> Hmm.
#1307 [08:44] <Jonas> Ssp adds alternatives like /give to single player
#1308 [08:44] <OODavo> Yeah, I have no idea how Software Center does stuff.
#1309 [08:44] <Solvius> its supposed to give me a list of java applications, isnt it ?
#1310 [08:44] <Valium> Jonas, I'l look into it if I ever do single player
#1311 [08:44] <Jonas> Okay :)
#1312 [08:44] <Denden> On an unrelated note, my firewall wasn't the problem.
#1313 [08:44] <OODavo> Solvius: Um, what?
#1314 [08:44] <OODavo> Denden: Well, darn.
#1315 [08:45] <Denden> Indeed.
#1316 [08:45] <OODavo> Antivirus?
#1317 [08:45] <Valium> I'm just wanting to be able to give myself colored cloth for pixel; art in SMP
#1318 [08:45] <Denden> I shut that PoS off as well
#1319 [08:45] <OODavo> So not the problem, then.
#1320 [08:45] <Denden> Nope.
#1321 [08:45] <OODavo> Hmm.
#1322 [08:45] <Denden> Maybe I'm just incredibly unlucky and god hates me?
#1323 [08:46] <Solvius> If I do a search on sun java in the search of the softwarecentre it gives me a list of java apps, but when i do that sun-java6-jre it says on the left thats busy
#1324 [08:46] <OODavo> Denden: That must be the reason.
#1325 [08:46] <Denden> It's settled, then.
#1326 [08:46] <Denden> I must pierce the heavens with my drill!
#1327 [08:46] <OODavo> It's not working! You need a bigger drill!
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#1329 [08:47] <Denden> Okay let's go through my port forwarding settings again...
#1330 [08:48] <OODavo> It's not port forwarding.
#1331 [08:48] <OODavo> If you can't connect locally, the problem is something on the server itself.
#1332 [08:48] <Jonas> Did you load the server properly?
#1333 [08:48] <Denden> Derp
#1334 [08:48] <Jonas> :D
#1335 [08:48] <OODavo> Jonas: According to the log earlier, yes.
#1336 [08:48] <Denden> Jonas: as far as I know
#1337 [08:49] <OODavo> Wait, an MC update just came out.
#1338 [08:49] <Denden> Yeah, I know.
#1339 [08:49] <OODavo> Update your server, Denden.
#1340 [08:49] <Denden> Updated a minute ago.
#1341 [08:49] <Denden> Actually, two of them just came out with a rough 5 minute interval.
#1342 [08:49] <OODavo> I assume from the fact that you're still here that it still doesn't work.
#1343 [08:49] <OODavo> :|
#1344 [08:50] <Denden> Nah, I just love talking to you.
#1345 [08:50] <Denden> (Not that I don't, but... yeah)
#1346 [08:51] <OODavo> Try starting it off again with a fresh directory.
#1347 [08:51] <OODavo> Maybe one of the files got corrupted or something.
#1348 [08:51] <OODavo> Also, redownload the server executable.
#1349 [08:51] <Denden> Okayies. This will be my third time. If this works, I will proceed banging my head against my desk. Hard.
#1350 [08:51] <Solvius> ok i give up
#1351 [08:52] <OODavo> Solvius: sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre
#1352 [08:52] <OODavo> Try running that.
#1353 [08:52] <OODavo> What do you get?
#1354 [08:52] <Valium> ooh, client update, server as well?
#1355 [08:52] <mbentley> Valium: yup
#1356 [08:53] <Valium> I havent looked yet, changelog anywhere?
#1357 [08:53] <Denden> Wait
#1358 [08:53] <Denden> What the serious [censored]
#1359 [08:53] <mbentley> http://notch.tumblr.com/ and http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Version_history
#1360 [08:53] <Denden> Now it suddenly tells me I don't have access to some of my folders
#1361 [08:54] <OODavo> Denden: What the frell.
#1362 [08:54] <Solvius> a grey screen what says that I need to read the license agreement and then do an ok, but there is no ok to press, and that screen is over the terminal, so i cant see the terminal no more OODavo
#1363 [08:54] <Denden> Oh great, this might have something to do with me installing that japanese Visual Novel. How very far fetched.
#1364 [08:55] <OODavo> Denden: Again, what the frell?
#1365 [08:55] <Denden> What, you've never played one of those?
#1366 [08:55] <OODavo> Solvius: Try scrolling down a bit? Down arrow, page down?
#1367 [08:55] <Solvius> thats not possible, nothing to scroll
#1368 [08:55] <OODavo> Why would installing one change your directory permissions?
#1369 [08:55] <OODavo> Solvius: What do those keys do when pressed? Just nothing?
#1370 [08:55] <Solvius> yup
#1371 [08:56] <OODavo> Enter?
#1372 [08:56] <Denden> Well I changed my non-unicode system language to US english
#1373 [08:56] <Denden> I think that has something to do with it
#1374 [08:56] <mbentley> Solvius: page down?
#1375 [08:56] <Denden> Durrrr
#1376 [08:56] <mbentley> space bar?
#1377 [08:56] <Solvius> nope nothing
#1378 [08:56] <mbentley> enter?
#1379 [08:56] <Solvius> nothing
#1380 [08:57] <Solvius> I think its not downloading the JRE
#1381 [08:57] <OODavo> Probably because you haven't accepted the agreement.
#1382 [08:57] <OODavo> Hmm.
#1383 [08:57] <OODavo> Try pressing the J key.
#1384 [08:57] <Denden> Gonna reboot my computer and see what happens.
#1385 [08:57] <Solvius> grin, but how do I agree to the agreement :)
#1386 [08:57] <OODavo> Denden: Good idea.
#1387 [08:58] <mbentley> i remember someone else saying they had issues with accepting the agreement
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#1389 [08:58] <OODavo> Right now I've only got Cygwin, so I can't test this agreement thing in apt. :/
#1390 [08:59] <OODavo> Solvius: Press every key on your keyboard.
#1391 [09:00] <Solvius> I have closed that screen, started it up again, did the same and now it says that it cant find the source and or the system is in use of some other process ?
#1392 [09:00] <OODavo> A ha.
#1393 [09:00] <OODavo> Solvius: The other aptitude is tying up your package system.
#1394 [09:00] <mbentley> oh... it didn't release the lock files
#1395 [09:00] <OODavo> I forget how to fix that.
#1396 [09:00] <OODavo> Short of rebooting.
#1397 [09:01] <OODavo> Someone else figure out how to do that.
#1398 [09:01] <Solvius> reboot, what was a Nice cartoon by the way :)
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#1400 [09:02] <Solvius> if I do a reboot, all will be stopped, or keep up the same as now ?
#1401 [09:02] <OODavo> Wait. I'm Googling.
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#1403 [09:02] <mbentley> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1086473
#1404 [09:02] <mbentley> ^^ to remove the lock files
#1405 [09:03] <OODavo> Ah, that should work.
#1406 [09:03] <OODavo> Do that.
#1407 [09:03] <mbentley> AH, press the tab key
#1408 [09:03] <mbentley> http://www.techspot.com/vb/topic158279.html
#1409 [09:03] <Solvius> come on, its my first few hours with ubuntu if installing java is that difficult i get an heartattck in a couple of hours :)
#1410 [09:04] <OODavo> It's the left and right arrows, according to another page I forget the URL of.
#1411 [09:04] <mbentley> would make sense as well
#1412 [09:04] <OODavo> Solvius: It'd be easier in Synaptic rather than console apt, I think.
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#1414 [09:06] <OODavo> Hang on.
#1415 [09:06] <OODavo> Once you've got the lockfile cleared, you actually want a different package.
#1416 [09:07] <OODavo> sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin
#1417 [09:07] <KART35|iPod> plugin!
#1418 [09:07] <OODavo> Yes?
#1419 [09:07] <KART35|iPod> well
#1420 [09:07] <KART35|iPod> if youre foing browser based
#1421 [09:07] <KART35|iPod> i suppose so
#1422 [09:07] <KART35|iPod> *doing
#1423 [09:07] <mbentley> if you install the plugin, it will pull in the jre as a dependency
#1424 [09:07] <OODavo> It depends on the JRE, yeah.
#1425 [09:08] <OODavo> But you definitely want in-browser Java as well.
#1426 [09:08] <KART35|iPod> if youre going to use the seperate client
#1427 [09:08] <KART35|iPod> i think its
#1428 [09:08] <Solvius> well, its still doing something and it will not install the jre, shal i do a reboot ?
#1429 [09:08] <KART35|iPod> sun-java6-bin
#1430 [09:09] <DenDen> I hate you, minecraft server. I hate you.
#1431 [09:09] <KART35|iPod> Solvius: whats it outputting?
#1432 [09:09] <OODavo> Solvius: What's the something?
#1433 [09:10] <OODavo> DenDen: :(
#1434 [09:10] <Solvius> its dutch I cant copy paste it says source not availeble
#1435 [09:10] <OODavo> KART35|iPod: sun-java6-jre ?
#1436 [09:10] <KART35|iPod> well
#1437 [09:10] <KART35|iPod> theres two
#1438 [09:10] <Solvius> is it in use by another process ?
#1439 [09:10] <OODavo> Solvius: You might not have the right sources enabled.
#1440 [09:11] <KART35|iPod> platform dependand is what i said i think
#1441 [09:11] <OODavo> Open up System > Administration > Software Sources.
#1442 [09:11] <OODavo> I think that's the one.
#1443 [09:11] <mbentley> OODavo: this look right to you? >> http://www.liberiangeek.net/2010/10/sun-java-runtime-jre-ubuntu-10-10-maverick-meerkat-partner-repository/
#1444 [09:11] <Solvius> I take a look
#1445 [09:12] <OODavo> mbentley: Yeah, that's the repository we need to use.
#1446 [09:13] <Livity> Anyone can use MCedit?
#1447 [09:13] <OODavo> Livity: Yes, anyone can use MCedit.
#1448 [09:13] <Livity> I need to change rails way..
#1449 [09:14] <Livity> I can't find option for it
#1450 [09:14] <Livity> They are pointing wrong way :S
#1451 [09:14] <KART35|iPod> Livity: its bytecode
#1452 [09:14] <Livity> ehm?
#1453 [09:14] <KART35|iPod> i think you need to go in with nbt edit
#1454 [09:15] <Livity> :/
#1455 [09:15] <KART35|iPod> *hex, not bytecode
#1456 [09:15] <Livity> I cant use other map editors
#1457 [09:15] <Livity> im noob
#1458 [09:16] <mbentley> have you tried?
#1459 [09:17] <Livity> I probably downloaded wrong version :P
#1460 [09:17] <Livity> linux or something :S
#1461 [09:18] <KART35|iPod> well
#1462 [09:18] <KART35|iPod> the linux client runs on windows
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#1464 [09:19] <Valium> MCEdit runs in java
#1465 [09:19] <Valium> and Livity, have you updated your server?
#1466 [09:19] <Valium> like in the past 10-15 minutes
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#1469 [09:20] <Livity> something changed?
#1470 [09:20] <Coll> the wiki says that this mod was added
#1471 [09:20] <Coll> Included the FastRender (aka Optimine [2]) mod by Scaevolus [3]. (Source: [4])
#1472 [09:20] <Coll> is this true?
#1473 [09:20] <mbentley> yes
#1474 [09:20] <mbentley> he took a mod and included it in the actual official release
#1475 [09:20] <Valium> http://notch.tumblr.com/
#1476 [09:20] <Valium> Livity: ^^
#1477 [09:21] <Coll> doesnt say this in the tumblr I would figure he would put it there
#1478 [09:21] <Coll> hmm
#1479 [09:22] <xales> Coll: He said it on twitter
#1480 [09:22] <mbentley> check the source
#1481 [09:22] <mbentley> ;)
#1482 [09:22] <Coll> ugh twitter
#1483 [09:23] <mbentley> sounds like the latest update fixed the rail issue
#1484 [09:23] <Coll> interesting
#1485 [09:23] <Livity> what was the rail issue?
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#1487 [09:23] <Coll> has anyone noticed any particular framerate gain since this update?
#1488 [09:23] <mbentley> haven't played yet
#1489 [09:24] <mib_7qyvod> It's faster, yes
#1490 [09:24] <mib_7qyvod> I'm still crashing though
#1491 [09:24] <Valium> mine is slower :(
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#1493 [09:24] <Coll> im going to try and blow up my world now
#1494 [09:24] <Coll> and see if I can accomplish this
#1495 [09:24] <KART35|iPod> the crashijg is something with windows
#1496 [09:24] <Solvius> back :)
#1497 [09:24] <KART35|iPod> crashing*
#1498 [09:24] <xales> mib_7qyvod: if you pastebin an error when it crashes (if there is one), we can help you find out why
#1499 [09:25] * xales will be back in a sec
#1499 [09:25] <KART35|iPod> running it on linux gets around it
#1500 [09:25] <Coll> wtf?
#1501 [09:25] <mib_7qyvod> pastebin?
#1502 [09:25] <mbentley> pastebin.com
#1503 [09:25] <Coll> hmm
#1504 [09:25] <mib_7qyvod> ah.
#1505 [09:25] <Coll> is there new types of wood too?
#1506 [09:25] <Solvius> So rebooted, tryed again, and it sayd that is had to do something manually, because a process was stopped or something like that, after that a reboor, and windows, and screw ubuntu lol
#1507 [09:26] <nipper> O nice fix a few things now switchs dont work.
#1508 [09:26] <KART35|iPod> lol
#1509 [09:26] <mib_7qyvod> I don't get any error messages when I crash, though...
#1510 [09:26] <mib_7qyvod> It's the "blackout" crash.
#1511 [09:27] <KART35|iPod> mib_7qyvod: its just windows
#1512 [09:27] <Coll> oh beautiful
#1513 [09:27] <mbentley> surprised he hasn't addresses that yet..
#1514 [09:27] <mbentley> *addressed
#1515 [09:27] <Coll> I am running about 60 fps
#1516 [09:27] <Coll> never seen that number before
#1517 [09:27] <KART35|iPod> well
#1518 [09:28] <KART35|iPod> that makes me wonder what 260 will turn into
#1519 [09:28] <mib_7qyvod> KART35|iPod: Is there any way to get around it except *not* using windows?
#1520 [09:28] <KART35|iPod> not that i know of
#1521 [09:28] <Solvius> nice version 1.2_01 :)
#1522 [09:29] <Coll> ipod
#1523 [09:29] <Coll> no
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#1525 [09:29] <Coll> I dont have crash errors in windows
#1526 [09:30] <KART35|iPod> ok
#1527 [09:30] <KART35|iPod> i revise that
#1528 [09:30] <KART35|iPod> windows 7
#1529 [09:30] <mbentley> i get them on windows 7 64 bit
#1530 [09:30] <KART35|iPod> same
#1531 [09:30] <Coll> I am also running windows 7 64bit
#1532 [09:31] <Coll> >.>;
#1533 [09:31] <KART35|iPod> uhm
#1534 [09:31] <KART35|iPod> well then
#1535 [09:31] <KART35|iPod> system specs?
#1536 [09:32] <Coll> uh
#1537 [09:32] <Coll> win 7 home
#1538 [09:32] <Coll> preium
#1539 [09:32] <Coll> 64bit
#1540 [09:32] <xales> mbentley: which crashes are we talking about?
#1541 [09:32] <mbentley> black screen
#1542 [09:32] <Coll> pentium R dual core
#1543 [09:32] <mbentley> randomly
#1544 [09:32] <Coll> 2.2 GHz
#1545 [09:32] <Coll> 3gig RAM
#1546 [09:33] <KART35|iPod> mbentley: how about yours?
#1547 [09:33] <xales> mbentley: I don't get anything like that :/
#1548 [09:33] <mbentley> core 2 quad 8200, 8 gb ram
#1549 [09:34] <Coll> so yeah
#1550 [09:34] <Coll> it isnt a windows issue
#1551 [09:34] <KART35|iPod> well
#1552 [09:34] <xales> Coll: what makes you think that?
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#1554 [09:34] <KART35|iPod> i also happen to havr the same cpu
#1555 [09:34] <Coll> well as far as I am away
#1556 [09:34] <Coll> aware
#1557 [09:35] <Coll> no one not many people are reporting this on windows
#1558 [09:35] <KART35|iPod> xales: sys specs
#1559 [09:35] <Coll> ugh my grammar this morning
#1560 [09:35] <mbentley> it isn't a system spec issue
#1561 [09:35] <Coll> I am also running lower specs then him
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#1563 [09:35] <mbentley> http://getsatisfaction.com/mojang/topics/bwod_black_window_of_death
#1564 [09:35] <KART35|iPod> ok
#1565 [09:36] <Coll> mhmm
#1566 [09:36] <KART35|iPod> its a memory issue?!?
#1567 [09:36] <nipper> When will notch get something right and not brake things.
#1568 [09:37] <KART35|iPod> but i have 6 GB in mine....
#1569 [09:37] <KART35|iPod> :(
#1570 [09:37] <mbentley> maybe when it isn't beta software? :D
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#1573 [09:38] <Coll> when will he learn to thoroughly test things before giving it to us
#1574 [09:38] <mbentley> well, we are the testers
#1575 [09:39] <Kaito> what happened?
#1576 [09:39] <mbentley> minecraft is a much more stable beta than a number of other games i have played in early 'beta' stages
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#1578 [09:40] <Coll> well I am going to try and blow my world up and see if it doesnt crash me out
#1579 [09:40] <HCTK> hey guys
#1580 [09:40] <HCTK> i have a lil problem
#1581 [09:40] <HCTK> i want to play on an own server with my friends
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#1583 [09:40] <HCTK> but i dont know how it works^^
#1584 [09:41] <Coll> doesnt a certain bot tell you about servers
#1585 [09:41] <Coll> when you join this channel
#1586 [09:41] <xales> HCTK: What is your username for Minecraft?
#1587 [09:41] <HCTK> why?^^
#1588 [09:41] <Coll> "IF YOU WANT TO RUN A SERVER: Please make sure you have some background knowledge about server administration first!"
#1589 [09:42] <HCTK> i can read :D
#1590 [09:42] <Coll> there is a difference between reading and following it I am afriad
#1591 [09:42] <HCTK> but my friends have this knowledge
#1592 [09:42] <HCTK> and there are not at home and i want to inform me now
#1593 [09:42] <xales> HCTK: I need to verify you own the game before helping you
#1594 [09:43] <Coll> xales cut it out
#1595 [09:43] <Coll> these checks are not mandatory
#1596 [09:43] <xales> Coll: they are, actually
#1597 [09:43] <xales> new rule
#1598 [09:43] <xales> :)
#1599 [09:43] <HCTK> my minecraft name is HCTK
#1600 [09:44] <Coll> I dont see any such rule
#1601 [09:44] <Coll> youll have to point it out to me
#1602 [09:44] <xales> Ok, thanks
#1603 [09:44] <xales> Coll: Its not actually in the topic yet, but official helpers are supposed to do it
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#1605 [09:45] <Coll> Well that is amazing
#1606 [09:45] <Kealper> rawr?
#1607 [09:45] <Coll> new rule that isnt even there
#1608 [09:45] <mbentley> Coll: why does it matter?
#1609 [09:45] <Coll> Well one of you guys should put it up then
#1610 [09:45] <HCTK> i and my friends we want a server only for us
#1611 [09:45] <mbentley> HCTK: did you read the faq?
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#1613 [09:46] <evtl> hmm my portals dont work i made them like the buildingplan
#1614 [09:46] <HCTK> nope...^^ are there special rules?
#1615 [09:46] <mbentley> evtl: in SMP?
#1616 [09:46] <Coll> User checking doesnt really bother me that much just that if there is a new rule it should be added accordingly that is all
#1617 [09:46] <evtl> the beta
#1618 [09:46] <Coll> please read the topic HCTK
#1619 [09:46] <mbentley> HCTK: the faq explains how to set up a server
#1620 [09:46] <xales> Coll: Its intentionally not there
#1621 [09:46] <mbentley> evtl: if you are playing multiplayer, portals don't work
#1622 [09:46] <HCTK> ohh okay...
#1623 [09:46] <xales> only official helpers actually need to do it
#1624 [09:46] <evtl> ah ok
#1625 [09:46] <evtl> why not?
#1626 [09:47] <mbentley> because notch hasn't made them work
#1627 [09:47] <Coll> I see
#1628 [09:47] <Coll> secret rules cool
#1629 [09:47] <evtl> good reason :x
#1630 [09:47] <Kealper> "Operators can take any measure they see fit - arguing policy or bans with an op will just get you permanently banned."
#1631 [09:48] <Coll> there is no arguing though
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#1633 [09:48] <Kealper> i was just saying
#1634 [09:48] <Coll> anyways do switches work in single player
#1635 [09:48] <Coll> not need to mention it though
#1636 [09:48] <fogwraith> God...DAMNIT
#1637 [09:48] <Kaito> what do you mean "do they work" coll
#1638 [09:48] <Kealper> afaik yes Coll
#1639 [09:48] <Coll> someone was like
#1640 [09:48] <Coll> switches dont work in smp
#1641 [09:48] <Coll> I dont know if this is true
#1642 [09:49] <Kaito> oh
#1643 [09:49] <fogwraith> As much as I *LOVE* to re-build EVERYTHING a few minutes after daytime hits the server, creepers friggin' need to go
#1644 [09:49] <xales> Coll: The rule primarily applies to official helpers, we want to avoid having the reputation of a pirate support channel and becoming un-official.
#1645 [09:49] <Coll> there is peacefull mode
#1646 [09:49] * fogwraith dips Coll in lava
#1646 [09:49] <xales> Coll: The rule would not apply to you, because you do not provide support on behalf of the channel
#1647 [09:49] <Coll> That makes sense but to me I prefer rules on a rule list for everyone to see
#1648 [09:50] <Coll> cause ive seen people make up rules
#1649 [09:50] <Coll> and abuse like crazy
#1650 [09:50] <Coll> not like you guys would
#1651 [09:50] <Coll> but I just prefer them there
#1652 [09:50] <Coll> and before I asked checking was not mandatory
#1653 [09:50] <Coll> and just a way to be a asshat to people
#1654 [09:50] <Coll> as someone in here was doing at one point
#1655 [09:51] <Kealper> maybe he was just wanting to be an asshat?
#1656 [09:51] <xales> Coll: It's mostly for people with client issues, primarily java exceptions (most of the people who came in here asking for help with a cracked version had those errors)
#1657 [09:51] <Coll> well I cant tell now
#1658 [09:51] <Coll> well I wouldnt know anything about that xales
#1659 [09:52] <Kealper> i don't check validity of people's accounts, but i do refuse help as soon as i find out they stole it
#1660 [09:52] <Coll> ah
#1661 [09:52] <Coll> so back to my question
#1662 [09:52] <Kaito> why would you steal something, then ask why it doesn't work?
#1663 [09:52] <Kaito> thats stupid
#1664 [09:52] <Solvius> lol
#1665 [09:52] <Coll> do switches still work in single
#1666 [09:53] <Kealper> Kaito: you'd be amazed how many people come in here like that
#1667 [09:53] <Coll> Yes Kaito I understand that concept
#1668 [09:53] <Kaito> Coll: they should
#1669 [09:53] <Coll> ok
#1670 [09:53] <Coll> then ill give it a shot
#1671 [09:53] <xales> There were two yesterday >.>
#1672 [09:53] <Kaito> why would you pirate Minecraft...
#1673 [09:53] <xales> possibly 2 days ago, I don't remember
#1674 [09:53] <xales> Kaito: People are stupid
#1675 [09:53] <Kaito> its stupid
#1676 [09:53] <Coll> cause people dont make or want to spend money
#1677 [09:54] <Kaito> i mean, if you wanted a free trial, Minecraft classic sums it up pretty good
#1678 [09:54] <Coll> haha
#1679 [09:54] <Coll> minecraft says it isnt on steam
#1680 [09:54] <Coll> yet I have it in my steam list
#1681 [09:54] <Kaito> im happy to fork over 13.80 uSD for alpha
#1682 [09:54] <Kaito> :P
#1683 [09:54] <Coll> then you obviously have 13 usd too
#1684 [09:54] <Kealper> Coll: not sold through steam, but they have a steam group
#1685 [09:55] <Coll> it was a joke
#1686 [09:55] <Kaito> Coll: 13 USD, and a debit card :P
#1687 [09:55] <Coll> if I didnt have had a job I might have pirated or never even played
#1688 [09:56] <Kaito> one of the things i love about minecraft is it's cheepness, and no montly fee
#1689 [09:56] <Kaito> :)
#1690 [09:56] <xales> If you like the game and can afford a computer and an internet connection
#1691 [09:56] <xales> you CAN afford the $13 >.>
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#1693 [09:56] <Kaito> im not sure how much it is now, having the price be raised...
#1694 [09:56] <Coll> xales
#1695 [09:57] <Coll> children
#1696 [09:57] <Coll> teens
#1697 [09:57] <Coll> someone dont get allowences
#1698 [09:57] <Coll> and most of these services are provided by parents
#1699 [09:57] <Kaito> hm...apparently, minecraft is now 23 USD
#1700 [09:57] <Coll> yeah
#1701 [09:57] <Coll> went up cause of beta
#1702 [09:57] <xales> Coll: you could always ask them? :/ its still not an excuse to pirate either way
#1703 [09:57] <Kaito> I never got allowances
#1704 [09:57] <Coll> also hell yeah
#1705 [09:57] <Kaito> I got a job
#1706 [09:58] <Kaito> working in a warehouse >_>
#1707 [09:58] <Coll> I did too
#1708 [09:58] <Coll> no one is fucking hiring now
#1709 [09:58] <Kaito> wait...as epic as that may have seemed to have got a job for minecraft, sadly, no
#1710 [09:58] <Coll> then again there is no reason for any employer to hire a dropout
#1711 [09:58] <Kaito> i got a job because of college expenses :P
#1712 [09:58] <Kaito> Coll: go to a distrobution warehouse
#1713 [09:58] <Coll> I got a job for experience
#1714 [09:58] <Kaito> oh
#1715 [09:58] <Kaito> warehouses are very stable :P
#1716 [09:59] <Kaito> although it's mindless fucking work
#1717 [09:59] <Coll> well
#1718 [10:00] <Coll> it would be great if I was in any physical condition to work there or had transportation
#1719 [10:00] <Coll> until then ill just have to work on my high schools
#1720 [10:00] <Coll> I hear my cousin can get me into a hospital if I finish
#1721 [10:00] <Kaito> right
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#1723 [10:02] <Coll> I am liking 1.2 update
#1724 [10:02] <Kaito> 1.2 is awesome
#1725 [10:02] <Coll> couldnt really care for clothes and dye but that mod has made the game better
#1726 [10:02] <Coll> cloth dyes
#1727 [10:02] <Coll> my bad
#1728 [10:02] <Livity> I don't understund any use for cloth :S
#1729 [10:03] <xales> Livity: decoration
#1730 [10:03] <Livity> They are ugly lol
#1731 [10:03] <xales> well, nobody is making you use them
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#1733 [10:04] <Livity> ^^
#1734 [10:05] <ConMan8> I like dying sheep
#1735 [10:05] <Kaito> My friend suggested that cloth can be used to make clothing, which is just a real-time skin change
#1736 [10:05] * ConMan8 dyes a sheep teal
#1736 [10:05] <Kaito> like armor, but without the protection
#1737 [10:05] <nipper> Lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmBG_Look1g
#1738 [10:05] <Coll> doesnt work out much if people changed their skin
#1739 [10:06] <Kaito> I cant imagine it'd be too hard to code...just take colored cloth, make it into the armor shape, and put it in the armor slot
#1740 [10:06] <Kaito> if the item in the armor slot is a "regular" armor material, add the armor bonus
#1741 [10:06] <Kaito> if not, dont add it
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#1743 [10:07] <xales> Kaito: Nope
#1744 [10:07] <xales> can't do that
#1745 [10:07] <Kaito> out of curisioty, why not?
#1746 [10:08] <xales> because it wasn't added?
#1747 [10:08] <fogwraith> Rage.
#1748 [10:08] <Kaito> oh
#1749 [10:08] <Kaito> lol
#1750 [10:08] <fogwraith> Using MY buildings for RESOURCE GATHERING >_@
#1751 [10:08] <Kaito> im saying, wouldn't it be /cool/ if he did
#1752 [10:09] <xales> oh
#1753 [10:09] <xales> I think it would just break the existing skin system :/
#1754 [10:09] <Kaito> the texture pack system?
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#1756 [10:09] <Kaito> I dont think it would break it
#1757 [10:10] <Kaito> all you're doing is adding non-functional armor just for looks
#1758 [10:10] <Kaito> and it allows for real-time skin changes
#1759 [10:10] <xales> no, the online skin thing
#1760 [10:10] <Livity> I wish they added possibility to put redstone wiring to sealings and walls :/
#1761 [10:10] <Kaito> online skin thing?
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#1764 [10:12] <Coll> livity that would help so many people you wouldnt believe
#1765 [10:15] <mbentley> Kaito: http://www.minecraft.net/skin/
#1766 [10:24] <Kaito> ooohh
#1767 [10:26] <Kaito> so, this skin is also my one online?
#1768 [10:26] <mbentley> yeah
#1769 [10:27] <Kaito> nice!
#1770 [10:27] <mbentley> for example, i am chuck norris >> http://www.minecraft.net/skin/skin.jsp?user=mbentley
#1771 [10:28] <Kaito> and since im no artist, i guess i should download one, instead of trying to make my own
#1772 [10:28] <Kaito> :P
#1773 [10:28] <mbentley> there are a number of sites with existing skins
#1774 [10:29] <ConMan8> custom skins FTW
#1775 [10:29] <ConMan8> http://www.minecraft.net/skin/skin.jsp?user=ConMan8
#1776 [10:29] <Kaito> right
#1777 [10:29] <Kaito> i just got gordon freeman
#1778 [10:29] <ConMan8> aww
#1779 [10:29] <Kaito> http://www.minecraft.net/skin/skin.jsp?user=UWKaito
#1780 [10:30] <mbentley> heh nice
#1781 [10:30] <Kaito> omg
#1782 [10:30] <Kaito> link
#1783 [10:30] <Kaito> i should so get link
#1784 [10:31] <ConMan8> oh no
#1785 [10:31] <ConMan8> Everybody has Link
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#1788 [10:32] <xales> Oh, voiced people
#1789 [10:32] <fogwraith> What?
#1790 [10:32] <mbentley> you called?
#1791 [10:33] <xales> Kealper and I would like you to check the paid status of anyone with client issues
#1792 [10:33] <xales> specifically
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#1794 [10:33] <xales> the input exceptions, stuck at "Logging in" on other servers
#1795 [10:33] <mbentley> mmkay
#1796 [10:33] <fogwraith> Gotcha
#1797 [10:33] <xales> and null byte exceptions, and all that good stuff
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#1799 [10:33] <xales> Unvoiced aren't required to really do that, but we somewhat represent the channel, so it would be nice to not get a rep as pirate support HQ
#1800 [10:34] <fogwraith> ;P
#1801 [10:35] <xales> Especially considering after some of us wasted 20 minutes the other day only to realize this guy was using a cracked version :/
#1802 [10:35] <Kealper> this update brought the first protocol update in quite some time, so everyone with pirated copies are coming in here and complaining with protocol-related crashes
#1803 [10:35] <xales> and if people get "Logging in" while connecting to most servers...I can't see a reason just they would have such a problem unless it wasn't a valid account
#1804 [10:36] <mbentley> good to know...
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#1806 [10:37] * ConMan8 doesn't know how to check paid status
#1806 [10:37] <Kealper> !paid Kealper
#1807 [10:37] <Kealper> that
#1808 [10:37] <mbentley> or http://minecraft.net/haspaid.jsp?user=<username>
#1809 [10:37] <xales> ConMan8: http://minecraft.net/haspaid.jsp?user=(username) as well
#1810 [10:37] <xales> ninja'd
#1811 [10:37] <mbentley> :p
#1812 [10:37] <Kealper> lol
#1813 [10:37] <Kaito> how can you tell if they paid?
#1814 [10:37] <Kaito> like
#1815 [10:37] <Kaito> how does !paid show you?
#1816 [10:38] <mbentley> look above...
#1817 [10:38] <xales> Kaito: the link that mbentley and I posted
#1818 [10:38] <Kealper> !paid thisuserhasnotpaid
#1819 [10:38] <xales> !paid notch
#1820 [10:38] <xales> :)
#1821 [10:38] <fogwraith> He did not ;P
#1822 [10:38] <Kaito> try mine
#1823 [10:38] <Kaito> :P
#1824 [10:38] <Kealper> lol
#1825 [10:38] <mbentley> for some reason, i doubt he paid :D
#1826 [10:38] <Kaito> my username on here isn't the exact same as my Minecraft username...
#1827 [10:38] <Kealper> Kaito: that command i open to anyone most of the time
#1828 [10:38] <Kaito> !paid Kaito
#1829 [10:39] <Kaito> !paid UWKaito
#1830 [10:39] <Kaito> O.o
#1831 [10:39] <Kealper> flood control
#1832 [10:39] <Kaito> oh
#1833 [10:39] <xales> !paid UWKaito
#1834 [10:39] * fogwraith snickers
#1834 [10:39] <Kaito> thank you
#1835 [10:39] <fogwraith> The Lonely Island - I'm On A Boat
#1836 [10:39] <xales> Also, being discreet about the checking mechanism is good in some cases (people abuse it), so just use common sense there
#1837 [10:39] * fogwraith flips his boat out in MC
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#1838 [10:40] <Kealper> fog (both wraith and work), mbentley, and feenyx can enable/disable commands now, too
#1839 [10:40] <fogwraith> \o/
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#1841 [10:40] <feenyx> what luck!
#1842 [10:41] <fogwraith> Sling me a PM with the commands available, will you? :P
#1843 [10:41] <xales> !help
#1844 [10:41] <Kealper> it's just !disable and !enable, and when disabled, only the users who can enable/disable can still use the commands, it will ignore everyone else
#1845 [10:41] <fogwraith> That works too :P
#1846 [10:41] <feenyx> I'm at the airport atm, just sshed in
#1847 [10:41] <ConMan8> I read that bit as "serverfag"
#1848 [10:41] <Kealper> feenyx: XD
#1849 [10:41] <Kealper> lol con
#1850 [10:42] * ConMan8 reinstalls the bot
#1850 [10:42] <ConMan8> all your everything is reset
#1851 [10:42] <ConMan8> .
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#1853 [10:44] <Kaito> all your commands are belong to us
#1854 [10:44] <Kaito> :P
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#1857 [10:44] <Kealper> !disable
#1858 [10:44] <feenyx> cant wait to get home and chill out with some beer and mc
#1859 [10:44] <Kealper> all of your commands are now belong to me!
#1860 [10:45] <Kaito> D:
#1861 [10:45] <mbentley> beercraft
#1862 [10:45] <Kaito> lol bmently
#1863 [10:45] <Kaito> *mbentley
#1864 [10:45] <Kealper> lol
#1865 [10:45] <Kealper> !enable
#1866 [10:45] <feenyx> beercraft indeed
#1867 [10:45] <Kaito> ...
#1868 [10:45] <Kaito> i just had an idea
#1869 [10:45] <mbentley> where only drunk players are allowed!
#1870 [10:45] <Kaito> craft sugar and water, and get alcohol
#1871 [10:45] <mbentley> could be...interesting to see what that would produce
#1872 [10:46] <feenyx> alcohol CAN increase creativity
#1873 [10:46] <mbentley> add hops
#1874 [10:46] <mbentley> Kaito: sounds like a recipe for smirnoff ice or something :D
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#1876 [10:47] <Kaito> well, we dont have yeast
#1877 [10:47] <feenyx> or add potatoes
#1878 [10:47] <feenyx> man, I need some grub
#1879 [10:48] <Kaito> sugar and water makes alcohol in the same way 3 wheat makes bread, and milk, sugar, wheat, and eggs make cake
#1880 [10:48] <Kaito> :P
#1881 [10:48] <mbentley> valid point
#1882 [10:48] <feenyx> plane doesnt leave for another two hours
#1883 [10:48] <Kaito> i'd be one of those one heart things, but i mean...it's so easy to make
#1884 [10:48] <mbentley> ugh
#1885 [10:48] <Kaito> or even half a heart
#1886 [10:49] <mbentley> 2 hour wait? blah
#1887 [10:49] <feenyx> and Blur-o-Vision (tm)
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#1889 [10:49] <fogwraith> Found new trees, yay
#1890 [10:49] <feenyx> yeah, we finishes earlier than expected
#1891 [10:49] <Kaito> there we go: alcohol will slowly increase your health, like peaceful mode, but will blur your vision for 5 minutes
#1892 [10:49] <Kaito> :P
#1893 [10:49] * fogwraith chops them down
#1893 [10:49] <feenyx> finished*
#1894 [10:50] <nidefawl> is there a changelog to minecraft?
#1895 [10:50] <Kaito> notch.tumblr.com
#1896 [10:50] <Kaito> not an official changelog, but close enough
#1897 [10:50] <mbentley> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Version_history
#1898 [10:51] <mbentley> but +1 to notch's blog
#1899 [10:51] * feenyx wanders off in search of fermented water, yeast and hops
#1899 [10:51] <Kaito> woah
#1900 [10:51] <Kaito> gold tools now have a use?
#1901 [10:51] <nidefawl> yeah was looking for some table-layoutet site
#1902 [10:52] <mbentley> oh nice, i will have to find my gold stash
#1903 [10:52] <Kaito> this helps!
#1904 [10:53] <Kealper> !server
#1905 [10:53] <Kealper> disregard that
#1906 [10:53] <fogwraith> Why was /home removed, by the way? ;P
#1907 [10:53] <ConMan8> fogwraith: It wasn't meant to be in
#1908 [10:53] <Kealper> that was a scar left over from early testing
#1909 [10:54] <fogwraith> It would be plenty useful right now, I have no idea where the shit I am ;/
#1910 [10:54] <mbentley> have a compass?
#1911 [10:54] <fogwraith> Guess I have to make one :P
#1912 [10:56] * fogwraith disables texturepack
#1912 [10:56] <fogwraith> Oh I see, it's birchwood ;P
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#1914 [11:01] <Kaito> compass is the most useful tool in minecraft
#1915 [11:01] <Kaito> superceeding the pickaxe
#1916 [11:01] <Kaito> *superseeding
#1917 [11:02] <fogwraith> ;O
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#1919 [11:02] <mbentley> must have for explorers
#1920 [11:02] <Kaito> i learned the hard way
#1921 [11:02] <Kaito> >_>
#1922 [11:03] <fogwraith> Shows the way to the spawn? ;P
#1923 [11:03] <Kaito> yes
#1924 [11:03] <fogwraith> Awesome stuff
#1925 [11:03] <Kaito> and from the spawn, you /should/ be able to find your house
#1926 [11:03] <mbentley> would be fun if you could toggle what it pointed to
#1927 [11:03] <mbentley> hmm...
#1928 [11:03] <Kaito> I'd find it pretty awesome if you could, say, stack up a 9x9x9 cube if Iron, and have the compass point to that
#1929 [11:03] <fogwraith> Massive magnets
#1930 [11:04] <Kaito> right
#1931 [11:04] <Kaito> however, 27*9 iron ingots
#1932 [11:04] <Kaito> 270 -27
#1933 [11:04] <Kaito> 243?
#1934 [11:04] <Kaito> yeah
#1935 [11:04] <fogwraith> ;)
#1936 [11:04] <Kaito> 243 iron...shittons of iron just to change where the compass points
#1937 [11:04] <mbentley> lotta iron
#1938 [11:04] * fogwraith adds dispensers
#1938 [11:04] <fogwraith> Time to set up some home defences
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#1940 [11:05] <Kaito> I can just see some roleplaying servers...LOAD THE TNT CANNONS! LOAD THE DISPENSERS!
#1941 [11:05] <Kaito> :P
#1942 [11:05] <fogwraith> Some jackass has been using my buildings for resources -_-
#1943 [11:05] <Kaito> D:
#1944 [11:06] <Kaito> i just thought of something...someone should make an admin mod called MCHammer
#1945 [11:06] <Kaito> xD
#1946 [11:06] * Kaito runs
#1946 [11:06] <mbentley> mchammer would be an anti-grifing mod
#1947 [11:06] <mbentley> (can't touch this, etc)
#1948 [11:06] <Kaito> LOL!
#1949 [11:07] <Kaito> thats actually really funny
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#1952 [11:13] <Just-me> Friend gave me gift code, i tried registrating it and as it was loading i get 405 error (server unaviliable or something) i try register again and i get code already in use or invalid and when i try log in it stands not premium, now what?
#1953 [11:13] <fogwraith> Mail Notch or someone over at Mojang
#1954 [11:13] <fogwraith> http://minecraft.net/support.jsp
#1955 [11:14] <Just-me> ty
#1956 [11:16] <Just-me> should i bother mailing notch? or wait for mojang to reply?
#1957 [11:17] <xales> send the email to daniel@mojang.com
#1958 [11:17] <xales> if you want a response
#1959 [11:17] <Just-me> i sent one to payment@mojang, thought it was more fitting
#1960 [11:17] <Just-me> should i send to the daniel one too?
#1961 [11:17] <xales> They take much longer to check the payments address
#1962 [11:17] <xales> yeah, send one to daniel too
#1963 [11:18] <Just-me> alright thanks, it stands unofficial support though, will they be able to take care of this? or should i mail notch aswell? and thnx for help
#1964 [11:18] <xales> all the mojang.com addresses are Mojang employees
#1965 [11:18] <xales> who can fix it
#1966 [11:19] <Just-me> oh, mojang is notch's company?
#1967 [11:19] <mbentley> indeed
#1968 [11:19] <xales> Yup
#1969 [11:19] <Just-me> alright, thanks, you guys employees or just very helpfull people?
#1970 [11:19] <mbentley> just super awesome helpful people
#1971 [11:19] <xales> ^
#1972 [11:20] <Just-me> appreciated :D
#1973 [11:20] <mbentley> wish i got paid to do minecraft tech support
#1974 [11:20] <mbentley> ...especially when there are port forwarding questions
#1975 [11:21] <Just-me> well thanks for the help :D and good luck with becoming a official tech support bentley
#1976 [11:21] <mbentley> lol
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#1978 [11:22] <mbentley> always nice to see people who appreciate support
#1979 [11:24] <xales> Unlike quittix3
#1980 [11:24] <xales> :)
#1981 [11:25] * xales still needs to edit that large logfile
#1981 [11:25] * xales is annoyed when everything is in one 20MB file
#1981 [11:28] <Kaito> so, who wants to help stress-test my server?
#1982 [11:28] <Kaito> I bought one that is rated for 1-6 people, and i wanna see how far it can go
#1983 [11:28] <fogwraith> o/
#1984 [11:29] <xales> Probably not more than 6, they always overrate those things
#1985 [11:29] <xales> Actually, surely not more than 6. It may lag with 6 :/
#1986 [11:30] <Kaito> damn
#1987 [11:30] <Kaito> oh well
#1988 [11:30] <Kaito> i only have 4 friends
#1989 [11:30] <Kaito> :P
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#1992 [11:32] * xales pokes GreyVulpine with a GreyVulpine
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#1993 [11:32] * GreyVulpine stabs xales with a shank.
#1993 [11:33] <obi_wan> alright, so due to the new update i have , yet again run across the black screen
#1994 [11:33] * mbentley waves his hand
#1994 [11:33] <mbentley> this is not the channel you are looking for
#1995 [11:34] <obi_wan> i need some assitance, i have already deleted and reset the bin file on my comp
#1996 [11:34] <mbentley> http://getsatisfaction.com/mojang/topics/bwod_black_window_of_death
#1997 [11:34] <mbentley> is that what you are getting?
#1998 [11:34] <obi_wan> checking
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#2000 [11:35] <obi_wan> applying the advice, obne moment
#2001 [11:36] <mbentley> i have no clue if that advice actually works myself
#2002 [11:36] <obi_wan> i have the cmd window info, where do i show this to you?
#2003 [11:36] <GreyVulpine> pastebin.com
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#2005 [11:37] <obi_wan> ok, one sec
#2006 [11:38] <obi_wan> http://pastebin.com/dXeizRDm
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#2008 [11:39] <Kaito> well...this is stupid
#2009 [11:40] <Kaito> at 2 people, memory usage: 410/512
#2010 [11:40] <obi_wan> i got the luckiest random name ever i think
#2011 [11:40] <obi_wan> last time i was guacamole
#2012 [11:40] <xales> Kaito: Lol. What mods does it have installed?
#2013 [11:40] <Kaito> zip
#2014 [11:40] <Kaito> using servercraft.co
#2015 [11:40] <Kaito> i dont have anything installed
#2016 [11:40] <mbentley> looks like you can login just fine
#2017 [11:41] <GreyVulpine> obi_wan - Mods?
#2018 [11:42] <xales> obi_wan: Try using the .exe on windows, I think the issue is related to using the .jar
#2019 [11:43] <obi_wan> Kealper was the one helping last time
#2020 [11:43] <obi_wan> ok, i will
#2021 [11:44] <obi_wan> same old black screen
#2022 [11:44] <GreyVulpine> Try a reinstall of java.
#2023 [11:44] <GreyVulpine> Completely uninstall, and install a fresh copy
#2024 [11:45] <mbentley> obi_wan: tried to delete the %appdata%\.minecraft\bin directory?
#2025 [11:45] <xales> mbentley: he won't have one, launching it from the .jar directly
#2026 [11:45] <mbentley> xales: huh?
#2027 [11:45] <mbentley> i launch from the .jar and i still have one
#2028 [11:46] <obi_wan> as do i
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#2030 [11:46] <obi_wan> i already tried deleting the bin file
#2031 [11:46] <GreyVulpine> obi_wan - Java?
#2032 [11:46] <xales> mbentley: oh, never mind
#2033 [11:46] <xales> obi_wan: actually, rename the .minecraft folder, the entire thing
#2034 [11:46] <obi_wan> i could try updating my java
#2035 [11:46] <xales> I think the issue is a bad zipfile in there
#2036 [11:46] <obi_wan> dounbg it now
#2037 [11:47] <obi_wan> 8doing
#2038 [11:47] <GreyVulpine> Not just update, reinstall.
#2039 [11:47] <xales> see: Caused by: java.util.zip.ZipException: invalid LOC header (bad signature)
#2040 [11:47] <obi_wan> *i can't type for crap
#2041 [11:47] <xales> obi_wan: rename your .minecraft folder before you try reinstalling
#2042 [11:47] <Livity> Anyone have a suggestion for a good map editor?
#2043 [11:47] <GreyVulpine> MCedit mostly works right now
#2044 [11:47] <obi_wan> rename it to what?
#2045 [11:48] <GreyVulpine> colored wool hasn't been included, but it works.
#2046 [11:48] <Livity> It doesn't allow me to change railway way :S
#2047 [11:48] <xales> obi_wan: doesn't matter, anything
#2048 [11:48] <obi_wan> java i have the recomended version
#2049 [11:48] <xales> obi_wan: rename it to anything that is not .minecraft
#2050 [11:49] <Livity> Grey?
#2051 [11:49] <Livity> You can explain how to change railway direction in mcedit?
#2052 [11:50] <obi_wan> nope, it Failed to Launch
#2053 [11:50] <xales> Livity: We don't provide any support for 3rd party utilities, sorry
#2054 [11:50] <xales> obi_wan: Even with the .exe?
#2055 [11:50] <obi_wan> yes
#2056 [11:50] <Livity> :/
#2057 [11:51] <Livity> sorry to ask
#2058 [11:51] <GreyVulpine> change railway direction?
#2059 [11:51] <GreyVulpine> What do you mean?
#2060 [11:52] <xales> GreyVulpine: He means the orientation of minecart tracks
#2061 [11:52] <xales> (I don't think the map editors can do that)
#2062 [11:52] <Livity> I mean, when I add rail to my world
#2063 [11:52] <mbentley> anyway, that should be fixed
#2064 [11:52] <Livity> it always points to west
#2065 [11:53] <xales> Livity: you have to connect more to it
#2066 [11:53] <Livity> I cant put it to point to south/east/north, so I cant do railways with mcedit
#2067 [11:53] <dopeghoti> Morning, kids
#2068 [11:53] <xales> it normally automatically changes to connect more rails
#2069 [11:53] <Livity> I added about 1000 rails with one add.
#2070 [11:53] <Livity> probably it was the problem :/
#2071 [11:53] <DopeGhoti> Livity: I thought tracks were fixed with today's update.
#2072 [11:54] <xales> DopeGhoti: Hey, new policy in here, if someone has a null/buffer/overflow/IO/"logging in"(on other servers) issue (or other crash with a stacktrace unrelated to graphics), check premium status
#2073 [11:54] <Livity> uh, so they were bugged somehow?
#2074 [11:54] <xales> Livity: Did you add them in the game or using MCEdit?
#2075 [11:54] <Livity> mcedit
#2076 [11:54] <Livity> thats the problem
#2077 [11:54] <DopeGhoti> xales: oh? Has there been some form of DRMagic?
#2078 [11:54] <mbentley> oh
#2079 [11:54] <xales> well, I'd guess the reason it doesn't work is because your using MCEdit, Livity
#2080 [11:55] <mbentley> didn't realize you were trying to add minecart tracks using mceid
#2081 [11:55] <mbentley> *mcedit
#2082 [11:55] <xales> DopeGhoti: Too many pirates, especially with the protocol changes
#2083 [11:55] <mbentley> thought you were doing it in the game...
#2084 [11:55] <xales> DopeGhoti: Don't want a reputation as the pirate support HQ
#2085 [11:55] <Livity> mcedit is illegal somehow wtf?
#2086 [11:56] <mbentley> Livity: they are talking about something else
#2087 [11:56] <Livity> :S
#2088 [11:56] <obi_wan> is there another option?
#2089 [11:56] <Livity> So no one knows actually if there is option to change rail pointway in mcedit?
#2090 [11:56] <Livity> :D
#2091 [11:56] <xales> obi_wan: You are using the .exe and have renamed .minecraft to something else?
#2092 [11:56] <xales> update java? >.>
#2093 [11:56] <DopeGhoti> Livity: someone here might know, but this _is_ #minecrafthelp; not #mcedithelp
#2094 [11:57] <obi_wan> yes, yes, and yes
#2095 [11:57] <Livity> True.
#2096 [11:57] <xales> obi_wan: no idea then :/
#2097 [11:57] <obi_wan> dag it
#2098 [11:57] <Livity> I though mcedit was part of minecraft projects since it is in minecraft wiki
#2099 [11:57] <DopeGhoti> xales: tl;dr of obi_wan's problem?
#2100 [11:57] <Livity> So sorry.
#2101 [11:57] <xales> Livity: Nope.
#2102 [11:57] <xales> DopeGhoti: http://pastebin.com/dXeizRDm
#2103 [11:58] <xales> obi_wan: what happens when you try to use the .exe?
#2104 [11:58] <mbentley> 'The contents of this page are not supported by Mojang, the Minecraft Wiki, the Minecraft IRC Channel or the Minecraft Forums.'
#2105 [11:58] <DopeGhoti> xales: unknown/expired.
#2106 [11:58] <obi_wan> Failed to Launch, and blackscreen
#2107 [11:58] <xales> http://pastebin.com/hWPK4iPM
#2108 [11:58] <xales> obi_wan: Does it give any error?
#2109 [11:59] <DopeGhoti> obi_wan: Why are you not using 64-bit Java?
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#2111 [12:01] <Diablothein> Hell shall be raised...
#2112 [12:02] <obi_wan> last time, after the update, i got the black screen, after a day or son my own i got the help i needed from Kealper
#2113 [12:02] <anadrom> how does an admin remove bedrock without using mods?
#2114 [12:02] <xales> anadrom: you don't
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#2116 [12:02] <mbentley> an admin doesn't
#2117 [12:02] <obi_wan> shot me a zip file with working parameters
#2118 [12:02] <anadrom> darn... so if i place some bedrock in the wrong place and can't remove it then?
#2119 [12:03] <xales> anadrom: you could edit the map, but otherwise, it is there to stay
#2120 [12:03] <mbentley> um, how are you placing bedrock?
#2121 [12:03] <mbentley> use the /give command?
#2122 [12:03] <Kass> Sup guys, when I'm hostin' my server now I'm the only one who can log onto it?! Plus my local IP has changed and stuff... why cant my cousins login?
#2123 [12:03] <anadrom> /give <user> 7
#2124 [12:03] <anadrom> yes
#2125 [12:03] <mbentley> ah
#2126 [12:03] <mbentley> yeah, can't delete it
#2127 [12:03] <anadrom> yeah, notch might wanna change that
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#2129 [12:04] <mbentley> Kass: did you update the port forwarding on your router?
#2130 [12:04] <anadrom> kind of a glaring feature discrepancy
#2131 [12:04] <anadrom> as an admin on vanilla
#2132 [12:04] <xales> Kass: when your IP changes you need to update the port forward
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#2134 [12:04] <mbentley> not really since bedrock isn't supposed to be broken
#2135 [12:04] <Kass> ooh, yeh ima check
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#2137 [12:04] <anadrom> ut itisn't really supposed to be placed either, is it?
#2138 [12:04] <anadrom> yet, you can place it...
#2139 [12:04] <xales> anadrom: it isn't supposed to be placed, it is probably just the remnants of a debugging tool that you can place it
#2140 [12:05] <Kass> love y6ou xales <3
#2141 [12:05] <obi_wan> this is the third time i've dealt with this, its getting old, these black screens
#2142 [12:06] <DopeGhoti> anadrom: you can also /give yourself fire, and magma blocks, or leaves. That doesn't mean you should expect them to be have normally when in your inventory
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#2144 [12:07] <snowey111> Greybulpine you there?
#2145 [12:07] <xales> obi_wan: can you send me the zip that Kealper sent you?
#2146 [12:07] <snowey111> v*
#2147 [12:07] <snowey111> Greyvulpine
#2148 [12:07] <xales> snowey111: what do you need help with
#2149 [12:07] <obi_wan> xales, sure i can try
#2150 [12:07] <snowey111> I need the .minecraft folder updated
#2151 [12:08] <snowey111> grey usually does it for me as i can't download it myself
#2152 [12:08] <mbentley> why not?
#2153 [12:08] <snowey111> some network issue.
#2154 [12:08] <mbentley> snowey111: what is your username in minecraft?
#2155 [12:08] <snowey111> no java apps that requires me to download something works.
#2156 [12:08] <snowey111> snowey111
#2157 [12:08] <mbentley> sounds like you might be behind a proxy server?
#2158 [12:08] <xales> snowey111: are you connected at home? or at work/school?
#2159 [12:09] <snowey111> im not tho
#2160 [12:09] <snowey111> home
#2161 [12:09] <mbentley> that's strange
#2162 [12:09] <xales> what kind of connection is it?
#2163 [12:09] <snowey111> fiber
#2164 [12:09] <snowey111> 100Mbit symetric
#2165 [12:09] <mbentley> something is definitely not right then...
#2166 [12:09] <snowey111> yep
#2167 [12:09] <xales> snowey111: do you get any error?
#2168 [12:09] <snowey111> fatal error:4
#2169 [12:10] <snowey111> :unable to download lwjgl.jar
#2170 [12:10] <xales> is that all it says?
#2171 [12:10] <snowey111> yep
#2172 [12:10] <snowey111> ok
#2173 [12:10] <snowey111> failed to launch
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#2175 [12:10] <mbentley> well if he is getting that far, he was able to login so java can access stuff online
#2176 [12:10] <xales> snowey111: do you have any antivirus or firewall?
#2177 [12:10] <snowey111> yep
#2178 [12:10] <mbentley> just not the bin file locations...
#2179 [12:10] <snowey111> i have both, i tried disabeling them
#2180 [12:11] <xales> snowey111: what are they, out of curiosity
#2181 [12:11] <xales> certain ones are really damn hard to actually disable properly
#2182 [12:11] <mbentley> have you checked your hosts file for any unusual entries?
#2183 [12:11] <xales> *ahem*norton*ahem
#2184 [12:11] <snowey111> i have
#2185 [12:11] <xales> mbentley: I think he wouldn't be able to log in if that was the issue
#2186 [12:11] <snowey111> i had alot of spyware s&d stuff
#2187 [12:11] <snowey111> removed it
#2188 [12:11] <snowey111> still didn't work
#2189 [12:11] <snowey111> and i use avast
#2190 [12:11] <mbentley> well if the amazon servers were blocked in the hosts file...
#2191 [12:11] <DopeGhoti> snowey111: someone else reporting that error also was getting messaged about division by zero
#2192 [12:11] <snowey111> infact i uninstalled it just to make sure
#2193 [12:11] <DopeGhoti> are you also?
#2194 [12:12] <xales> snowey111: go to start->run->accessories->command prompt
#2195 [12:12] <snowey111> nope
#2196 [12:12] <snowey111> k
#2197 [12:12] <snowey111> cmd up
#2198 [12:12] <xales> type 'tracert minecraft.net'
#2199 [12:12] <xales> without quotes
#2200 [12:12] <xales> and hit enter
#2201 [12:12] <snowey111> well im getting to minecraft.net just fine :P
#2202 [12:13] <mbentley> might try s3.amazonaws.com
#2203 [12:13] <snowey111> it's definetly only java
#2204 [12:13] <snowey111> um k
#2205 [12:13] <mbentley> isn't that where the files are downloaded from?
#2206 [12:13] <snowey111> yeah but
#2207 [12:13] <xales> mbentley: I don't actually know
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#2209 [12:13] <mbentley> lunch...
#2210 [12:13] <obi_wan> xales, i can't
#2211 [12:13] <xales> snowey111: try 'tracert s3.amazonaws.com
#2212 [12:13] <snowey111> i think the download ports might be blocked.
#2213 [12:13] <snowey111> k
#2214 [12:13] <xales> obi_wan: why not?
#2215 [12:13] <obi_wan> can't figure out how
#2216 [12:14] <obi_wan> i've got the files isolated, but i cannot find a way to copy paste or derive the download page
#2217 [12:14] <snowey111> I'm not an network admin here though. so i can't check or change anything. My dad deines all problems with the network.
#2218 [12:14] <xales> obi_wan: upload the zip (or put them in one) to a file-sharing website
#2219 [12:15] <xales> snowey111: the problem is much more likely to be with your computer
#2220 [12:15] <snowey111> hmm
#2221 [12:15] <snowey111> ok that's interesting
#2222 [12:15] <snowey111> s3.amazonaws.com started timing out
#2223 [12:15] <snowey111> xales i doubt it
#2224 [12:15] <snowey111> tried several computers
#2225 [12:15] <snowey111> 5 of them
#2226 [12:15] <DopeGhoti> snowey111: easy way to see if it's a problem with your computer or with your network: try a Linux LiveCD. If the MC download/update works in that environment, then it's not a network issue.
#2227 [12:15] <snowey111> 1 of them were newly installed. windows vista
#2228 [12:16] <xales> DopeGhoti: too late for that idea
#2229 [12:16] <xales> :P
#2230 [12:16] <xales> snowey111: where does it start to time out
#2231 [12:16] <DopeGhoti> xales: it's never too late!
#2232 [12:16] <xales> what is the last thing before the timeouts
#2233 [12:16] <snowey111> you want the ip?
#2234 [12:17] <xales> DopeGhoti: lulz. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL2ZwXj1tXM
#2235 [12:17] <xales> snowey111: yes
#2236 [12:17] <snowey111> xe-4-3-0.was12.ip4.tinet.net
#2237 [12:17] <snowey111> there
#2238 [12:17] <xales> that is the last one before it goes to *s?
#2239 [12:17] <snowey111> not the ip but i'm guessing it tells you more
#2240 [12:17] <xales> its the same thing as an IP, more or less
#2241 [12:17] <snowey111> yeah i know
#2242 [12:17] <xales> snowey111: that is the last thing before it starts going to *s?
#2243 [12:18] <snowey111> yep
#2244 [12:18] <snowey111> every other hop is just timeout.
#2245 [12:18] <xales> can you copy all of it and put it on pastebin.com?
#2246 [12:18] <xales> the part before the *s
#2247 [12:19] <snowey111> .. how do i copy out of the cmd pompt?
#2248 [12:19] <DopeGhoti> alt-space -> edit -> copy
#2249 [12:19] <DopeGhoti> select with mouse, press enter.
#2250 [12:19] <DopeGhoti> then paste elsewhere as normal.
#2251 [12:20] <snowey111> edit?
#2252 [12:20] <snowey111> can't find that anywere.
#2253 [12:20] <xales> it will be different in swedish
#2254 [12:20] <xales> or whatever
#2255 [12:20] <DopeGhoti> when you press alt-space, a menu should appear
#2256 [12:21] <DopeGhoti> what are the options on that menu?
#2257 [12:21] <snowey111> like a dropdown?
#2258 [12:21] <DopeGhoti> Yes.
#2259 [12:21] <snowey111> then properties?
#2260 [12:21] <snowey111> editingoptions
#2261 [12:21] <snowey111> fasteditingmode?
#2262 [12:21] <snowey111> ^above are translations from swedish
#2263 [12:22] <DopeGhoti> does editingoptions present a submenu with the usual copy and paste?
#2264 [12:22] <snowey111> nahh
#2265 [12:22] <snowey111> it's more like a box.
#2266 [12:22] <DopeGhoti> one second
#2267 [12:22] <xales> DopeGhoti: he went into properties
#2268 [12:22] <snowey111> with two checkboxes in them
#2269 [12:22] <DopeGhoti> (and if you went into Properties, you went too far)
#2270 [12:22] <snowey111> oh
#2271 [12:22] <snowey111> yeah
#2272 [12:22] <snowey111> lol i saw it now
#2273 [12:22] <snowey111> sorry
#2274 [12:22] <xales> its ok :)
#2275 [12:23] <snowey111> ok got it
#2276 [12:23] <snowey111> http://mibpaste.com/jhAriZ
#2277 [12:23] <snowey111> there
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#2279 [12:24] <DopeGhoti> lovely, nested NAT
#2280 [12:24] <snowey111> nested nat?
#2281 [12:24] <DopeGhoti> router behind a router
#2282 [12:25] <snowey111> i'm only a firstgrade "highschool" (not what it's called here) student.
#2283 [12:25] <DopeGhoti> one of them might be your ISP's though.
#2284 [12:25] <xales> DopeGhoti: I only see one router there
#2285 [12:25] <obi_wan> http://pastebin.com/UrPjCNLP
#2286 [12:25] <DopeGhoti> xales: 192.168.0.0 to 10.0.0.0
#2287 [12:25] <snowey111> yeah as far as i know this net im using is only behind 1 router.
#2288 [12:25] <xales> oh, probably ISP then
#2289 [12:25] * DopeGhoti nods
#2289 [12:25] <xales> its hopping to something with an ISP domain
#2290 [12:25] <obi_wan> ok, which fileshare website should i be using?
#2291 [12:26] <DopeGhoti> obi_wan: dropbox?
#2292 [12:26] <snowey111> dropbox is awesome :)
#2293 [12:27] <xales> well, i found something
#2294 [12:27] <xales> https://forums.aws.amazon.com/message.jspa?messageID=177736
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#2296 [12:28] <DopeGhoti> obi_wan: if you missed it, I'm sorry, but why are you running 32-bit Java on a 64-bit system?
#2297 [12:30] <obi_wan> its all gotten a bit fuzzy at this point
#2298 [12:30] <obi_wan> it seemed the only way to get my system to operate minecraft properly
#2299 [12:30] <snowey111> did you try whatever version was correct first?
#2300 [12:31] <obi_wan> i am not a software guy, i am a hardware guy, programs and things get out of my reach pretty quick
#2301 [12:31] <snowey111> yeah ok
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#2303 [12:31] <obi_wan> yes i did, use the correect versions first
#2304 [12:31] <obi_wan> then the update, at halloween and my window went black, so i fixed it then it goes black again
#2305 [12:32] <xales> snowey111: did you look at that link?
#2306 [12:32] <snowey111> yeah
#2307 [12:33] <snowey111> i don't see at all how someone reporting a problem then saying it's fixed for them is gonna help me though.
#2308 [12:33] <xales> just letting you know your not alone in the problem
#2309 [12:33] <snowey111> ah ok
#2310 [12:33] * aetherian is away: ow...
#2310 [12:33] <xales> also, try 'ping s3.amazonaws.com' in cmd
#2311 [12:33] <snowey111> may 2010 tho.
#2312 [12:33] <snowey111> ok
#2313 [12:34] <snowey111> all 4 dropped.
#2314 [12:34] <xales> what message was it for the drops?
#2315 [12:34] <xales> was it "timed out" or something else
#2316 [12:34] <snowey111> timeout
#2317 [12:35] <xales> what IP did it ping to?
#2318 [12:36] <snowey111> 72.21.214..38
#2319 [12:36] <snowey111> 1 dot too much.
#2320 [12:36] <obi_wan> i am sorry, but i have to go silent for now, i will bve ack later today. i have saved all previous conversation and will hopefully pick this back up a bit later on
#2321 [12:36] <snowey111> hmm ok
#2322 [12:36] <snowey111> oh wait. confused. you're not xales.
#2323 [12:37] <xales> snowey111: I'm looking up that IP to make sure its actually amazon, one sec
#2324 [12:38] <snowey111> im gonna try browsing amazon
#2325 [12:38] <xales> actually, I have a bad feeling of what the issue is
#2326 [12:39] <snowey111> and what's that?
#2327 [12:39] <xales> one sec, let me just make sure
#2328 [12:40] <Diablothein> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0X1ggm5ZqsA/TSx0jR8D1KI/AAAAAAAAKeo/m4oUOTRlWEI/s1600/waterwine.jpg o.o
#2329 [12:40] <xales> oh, it may not be, never mind
#2330 [12:40] <xales> I had some difficulty finding a reverse record for that IP (if it was by Amazon, it should be very easy to find)
#2331 [12:40] <snowey111> i would like to hear what you suspected it to be.
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#2333 [12:40] <snowey111> ok
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#2335 [12:41] <xales> well, you said something about removing spyware, so its possible that it was redirecting Amazon traffic to itself (to try to make you type your payment info in a fake amazon)
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#2337 [12:41] <xales> but it does look like an amazon IP
#2338 [12:42] <snowey111> yeah and i just ran a scan to prove a point back then.
#2339 [12:42] <snowey111> Someone thought all windows users constantly had viruses and spyware.
#2340 [12:42] <xales> well, if you had something really nasty and you left it alone for a while, it could have installed a rootkit
#2341 [12:42] <xales> and a scan won't find it as easily, if at all
#2342 [12:43] <snowey111> if i had something. yes
#2343 [12:43] <xales> you said you had removed some stuff
#2344 [12:44] <snowey111> oh
#2345 [12:44] <snowey111> well the host file
#2346 [12:44] <snowey111> it made alot of entries
#2347 [12:44] <snowey111> spybot s&d does that automaticly i think
#2348 [12:44] <xales> yeah, it is supposed to do that
#2349 [12:44] <snowey111> so i removed the entries just to make sure the problem isn't there
#2350 [12:44] <snowey111> only localhost left.
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#2352 [12:46] <xales> hmm, let me try one more thing
#2353 [12:47] <xales> ok, I have an idea
#2354 [12:47] <xales> are you using windows 7?
#2355 [12:47] <snowey111> yep
#2356 [12:47] <snowey111> not here though
#2357 [12:47] <snowey111> im on another computer
#2358 [12:47] <xales> ok, on the computer you want it to work on
#2359 [12:47] <snowey111> i could go to my windows 7 one if you want
#2360 [12:47] <snowey111> ok
#2361 [12:48] <xales> it doesn't matter, use whichever one you want to play on
#2362 [12:48] <xales> one sev
#2363 [12:48] <xales> sec*
#2364 [12:48] <snowey111> i wanna play on both :P
#2365 [12:48] <snowey111> im tech support here at home
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#2367 [12:49] <Seb_is_hunting> Hey guys! anyone on?
#2368 [12:49] <ConMan8> Nope, the 126 other people are all ghosts!
#2369 [12:49] * snowey111 points at top right of the screen
#2369 [12:50] <Seb_is_hunting> Thanks snowey ;P
#2370 [12:50] <Solvius> I am not here :)
#2371 [12:50] <Seb_is_hunting> Well you guys probably know why I came here :P
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#2373 [12:50] <snowey111> help?
#2374 [12:50] <Seb_is_hunting> Yes :D
#2375 [12:50] <xales> snowey111: ok, sorry
#2376 [12:50] <Solvius> you need no help ?
#2377 [12:50] <xales> snowey111: here
#2378 [12:50] <Seb_is_hunting> And to see if anyone else has the same problem.
#2379 [12:50] <snowey111> sorry for what?
#2380 [12:50] <snowey111> getting my hopes up? :)
#2381 [12:50] <xales> for takin a while
#2382 [12:50] <snowey111> ah ok
#2383 [12:50] <snowey111> good
#2384 [12:50] <snowey111> np
#2385 [12:51] <xales> snowey111: try the instructions here, ignore the thing at the top about making an account. https://store.opendns.com/setup/operatingsystem/windows-7
#2386 [12:51] <xales> that is a network setting change, but it will only change it for your computer
#2387 [12:51] <Seb_is_hunting> After the Beta 1.2 update, I cannot play online, only offline... so i have not managed to update...
#2388 [12:51] <Seb_is_hunting> it just says, can't connect to minecraft.net
#2389 [12:52] <snowey111> i know
#2390 [12:52] <xales> Seb_is_hunting: what is your username for minecraft?
#2391 [12:52] <snowey111> im going a course in cisco acad.
#2392 [12:52] <Seb_is_hunting> Same as what you see here.
#2393 [12:52] <DopeGhoti> Seb_is_hunting: _can_ you connect to minecraft.net?
#2394 [12:52] <DopeGhoti> !paid Seb_is_hunting
#2395 [12:52] <xales> ok, sorry about that Seb_is_hunting, but with the new update a lot of people playing cracked versions have somewhat similar issues
#2396 [12:52] <Seb_is_hunting> No, i can't connect. and i can't play either, because it says i have to play online once first to enable offline.
#2397 [12:53] <GreyVulpine> Look at seb's host file anyways
#2398 [12:53] <xales> anyway, can you visit minecraft.net in your browser?
#2399 [12:53] <DopeGhoti> What happens when you try to go to minecraft.net?
#2400 [12:53] <Seb_is_hunting> Well I can login on the site...
#2401 [12:53] <xales> do you have a firewall?
#2402 [12:53] <Seb_is_hunting> Just can't login on the client
#2403 [12:53] * GreyVulpine pokes xales or DopeGhoti, "Ask for his hosts file anyways"
#2403 [12:53] <Seb_is_hunting> If I do have a firewall, how do I desiable it?
#2404 [12:54] <snowey111> grey :D
#2405 [12:54] <xales> GreyVulpine: /me will do this
#2406 [12:54] <GreyVulpine> Oh no
#2407 [12:54] <xales> Seb_is_hunting: depends on the firewall
#2408 [12:54] <snowey111> sorry xales it's failing
#2409 [12:54] <xales> snowey111: did you set those options?
#2410 [12:54] <snowey111> backup is here :D
#2411 [12:54] <snowey111> ye
#2412 [12:54] <GreyVulpine> copy of minecraft, yes?
#2413 [12:54] <DopeGhoti> Seb_is_hunting: take a peek in your hosts file; do you know where that is?
#2414 [12:54] <xales> I gotta go for a minute, I'll be back in a few
#2415 [12:54] <Seb_is_hunting> because i have no idea on how to turn off mine, does telling you I run windows 7 help?
#2416 [12:55] <Seb_is_hunting> No, sorry :(
#2417 [12:55] <DopeGhoti> GreyVulpine: did hosts move in Windows 6.x? I've never had to suss that out.
#2418 [12:55] <GreyVulpine> Should be in the same spot
#2419 [12:55] <DopeGhoti> Seb_is_hunting: tap the Windows key on your keyboard, and type in this:
#2420 [12:56] <Seb_is_hunting> Well thanks for telling me that. I'll go try and see if i can find the firewall.
#2421 [12:56] <DopeGhoti> %SystemRoot%\System32\Drivers\etc
#2422 [12:56] <DopeGhoti> and then tap Enter.
#2423 [12:56] <Seb_is_hunting> great, i can see a file called host now
#2424 [12:56] <DopeGhoti> brilliant
#2425 [12:56] <DopeGhoti> open it in Notepad
#2426 [12:57] <Seb_is_hunting> alright
#2427 [12:57] <DopeGhoti> Is it relatively short, or is there a ton of crap in the file?
#2428 [12:57] <Seb_is_hunting> short, no need in scrolling.
#2429 [12:57] <xales> Seb_is_hunting: copy the whole file and paste on pastebin.com
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#2431 [12:58] <Seb_is_hunting> ok, done that
#2432 [12:58] <DopeGhoti> It sounds good, but follow xales' directions just so's we can be certain :)
#2433 [12:58] <DopeGhoti> we'll, um, need the pastebin link :)
#2434 [12:58] <Seb_is_hunting> http://pastebin.com/aWs2XJC0
#2435 [12:58] <DopeGhoti> ah
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#2437 [12:58] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, looks clean
#2438 [12:58] <DopeGhoti> indeed
#2439 [12:58] <xales> Firewall time
#2440 [12:58] <DopeGhoti> go ahead and close the file
#2441 [12:58] <DopeGhoti> and follow xales's lead :)
#2442 [12:59] <snowey111> Grey you zipping .minecraft now or?
#2443 [12:59] <Meep> Yeah, one sec
#2444 [12:59] <Seb_is_hunting> alright
#2445 [12:59] <snowey111> :)
#2446 [12:59] <DopeGhoti> (woo, tag team tech support!)
#2447 [12:59] <xales> ehh DopeGhoti
#2448 [12:59] <xales> best way to find firewall? :/
#2449 [12:59] <Seb_is_hunting> Thanks a lot you guys, however, i have to go :/
#2450 [12:59] <Seb_is_hunting> I'll find my firewall, i believe it won't be too hard.
#2451 [12:59] <xales> It shouldn't be
#2452 [13:00] <Seb_is_hunting> I'll be back if that's not the problem.
#2453 [13:00] <xales> Just completely disable it and try again
#2454 [13:00] <Seb_is_hunting> Other than that, thank you guys so much <3 :P
#2455 [13:00] <GreyVulpine> either in the task bar, look for any security software, or windows firewall is "firewall.cpl" in the run command
#2456 [13:00] * xales waits for the mibbit ghost-quit
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#2458 [13:01] <fridgeways> any fixes for the black screen on the client anyone?
#2459 [13:01] <Seb_is_hunting> Well, my firewall is ofline :/
#2460 [13:01] * Meep pokes at snowey111's PM
#2460 [13:01] <snowey111> yay
#2461 [13:02] <snowey111> thanks once again Grey :)
#2462 [13:02] <Seb_is_hunting> Alright, later guys.
#2463 [13:02] <GreyVulpine> We really have to figure out why you keep getting that error snowey111.
#2464 [13:02] <snowey111> yeah we do. Or i do. Or maybe i just have to make dad realize there's a problem.
#2465 [13:02] <xales> GreyVulpine: I did a lot of poking. It looks like a routing issue
#2466 [13:03] <GreyVulpine> I guess, the best way, is for you to delete .minecraft, and use the browser version, have your java console open
#2467 [13:03] <xales> GreyVulpine: for snowey111?
#2468 [13:03] <GreyVulpine> Have it try and download, and paste the java console stuff
#2469 [13:03] <xales> GreyVulpine: we found the problem
#2470 [13:03] <GreyVulpine> into pastebin. It should say where it's messing up
#2471 [13:03] <GreyVulpine> Oh?
#2472 [13:03] <xales> GreyVulpine: a router between him and Amazon S3 (MC downloads from there) is dropping packets to Amazon
#2473 [13:03] <snowey111> wanthttp://mibpaste.com/jhAriZ
#2474 [13:03] <GreyVulpine> Oooo.
#2475 [13:03] <GreyVulpine> I see.
#2476 [13:04] <xales> http://mibpaste.com/jhAriZ
#2477 [13:04] <GreyVulpine> whoa, hello
#2478 [13:04] <mbentley> ah so it was something with the amazon s3...
#2479 [13:04] <xales> The IP is correct, it is an Amazon IP.
#2480 [13:04] * fogwraith looks at the console
#2480 [13:04] <fogwraith> minecraft.net down eh?
#2481 [13:04] <xales> I don't think it is
#2482 [13:04] <mbentley> it's up here...
#2483 [13:04] <fogwraith> It's up now, just got plenty of error 504
#2484 [13:05] <GreyVulpine> minecraft is up for me
#2485 [13:05] <DopeGhoti> fogwraith: it's an update day, expect intermittent 504s.
#2486 [13:05] * fogwraith shakes fist
#2486 [13:05] <GreyVulpine> Anyhoo, might need to perhaps give your ISP a call snowey111, if you're up to it
#2487 [13:05] <xales> ^
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#2489 [13:06] <GreyVulpine> Before snowey111 came by the first time, there were at least a few others who had the same exact problem.
#2490 [13:06] <GreyVulpine> Couldn't get past a certain % in downloading
#2491 [13:06] <snowey111> i get nothing though. I don't think that's the exact same problem
#2492 [13:06] <xales> Well, he can't even get packets through at all
#2493 [13:06] * GreyVulpine nods
#2493 [13:07] * DopeGhoti blames WikiLeaks.
#2493 [13:07] <fogwraith> Damn creeper blew up parts of my imperial road... where are the ultramarines when you need them? >_>
#2494 [13:07] <GreyVulpine> Like I said, I did see several others with snowey111's problem as well
#2495 [13:07] <DopeGhoti> fogwraith: Next time, build your Imperial Highway out of Obsidian.
#2496 [13:07] <xales> With all packets getting dropped, Grey?
#2497 [13:07] <fogwraith> But obsidian looks horrible ;/
#2498 [13:07] <DopeGhoti> fogwraith: or for even more durability, Adminium.
#2499 [13:08] <DopeGhoti> Or for a flammable highway, black wool.
#2500 [13:09] <GreyVulpine> I didn't check tracert for them, but it stopped at a certain file, same as snowey111's
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#2502 [13:09] <xales> Wait...is lwjgl.jar the first thing the client downloads?
#2503 [13:09] <snowey111> well as you might remember i don't even have a progress bar. I checked the issue out on my own and found a few of those people and they had one.
#2504 [13:10] <GreyVulpine> Yeah
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#2506 [13:13] <GreyVulpine> Grrrr, I hate redstone in MP sometimes. doesn't update state sometimes.
#2507 [13:13] * GreyVulpine kicks redstone
#2507 [13:17] <snowey111> great
#2508 [13:17] <snowey111> vulpine it works :)
#2509 [13:17] <DopeGhoti> yay for things working!
#2510 [13:17] * xales makes DopeGhoti not work
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#2512 [13:18] <DopeGhoti> I'm already not working, I'm here
#2513 [13:18] <xales> ;)
#2514 [13:24] <mbentley> i'm working and here
#2515 [13:24] <mbentley> :D
#2516 [13:24] <mbentley> more like hardly working but whatever
#2517 [13:25] * DopeGhoti is working hard on hardly working.
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#2518 [13:26] <TinoNT> Hello!
#2519 [13:26] <mbentley> howdy
#2520 [13:26] <TinoNT> Was wondering if someone could help me with an error I recently started receiving.
#2521 [13:26] <xales> What is the error?
#2522 [13:27] <TinoNT> Whenever I try to go on my server, I get an error saying Internal Exception: java.io.UTFDataFormatException: malformed input around byte 8
#2523 [13:28] <xales> Did you update your server?
#2524 [13:29] <TinoNT> hm
#2525 [13:29] <TinoNT> what do you do to update your server
#2526 [13:30] <xales> you just download it again and replace the .exe with the new one
#2527 [13:30] <mbentley> stop the server, download the new minecraft server file, restart
#2528 [13:30] <TinoNT> doesnt that mean you have to start all over again?
#2529 [13:30] <mbentley> no
#2530 [13:30] <mbentley> !server
#2531 [13:31] <mbentley> just that one file...
#2532 [13:31] <TinoNT> hm
#2533 [13:31] <xales> you are playing Beta right?
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#2535 [13:31] <TinoNT> Yeah
#2536 [13:32] <xales> Yea, just download the .exe and replace it
#2537 [13:32] <TinoNT> I thought the Server.exe held all the info lol for server
#2538 [13:32] <mbentley> no
#2539 [13:32] <xales> also, if you are the only one playing on the server, there is no need for a server. you can just play singleplayer
#2540 [13:32] <mbentley> it creates the files in the same directory
#2541 [13:32] <TinoNT> Playing with friends :P
#2542 [13:32] <JokerPrime> do you find the netherworld gate or do you habe to build it?
#2543 [13:32] <xales> Ok, just making sure. No need to overcomplicate it.
#2544 [13:32] <JokerPrime> have*
#2545 [13:33] <xales> JokerPrime: you build them
#2546 [13:33] <JokerPrime> k
#2547 [13:33] <xales> http://minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Portal
#2548 [13:35] <TinoNT> now the malformed byte is 10
#2549 [13:35] <GreyVulpine> You're not using a mod, right?
#2550 [13:35] <TinoNT> no
#2551 [13:35] <xales> TinoNT: what is your minecraft username?
#2552 [13:35] <DopeGhoti> TinoNT: what is your minecraft account name?
#2553 [13:35] <xales> that you log in with
#2554 [13:35] <DopeGhoti> xales: heh.
#2555 [13:36] <xales> zzz
#2556 [13:37] <TinoNT> Ok I fixed it
#2557 [13:37] <xales> how did you fix it?
#2558 [13:37] <TinoNT> created a file
#2559 [13:38] <xales> which file?
#2560 [13:38] <TinoNT> server.log.lck
#2561 [13:38] <xales> ...created that?
#2562 [13:39] <mbentley> did you make sure you stop your server before you replace the minecraft_server file?
#2563 [13:39] <mbentley> *replaced
#2564 [13:39] <TinoNT> yeah
#2565 [13:39] <mbentley> very odd but ok...
#2566 [13:39] <TinoNT> Also theres a really big bug in the game haha, but it helps you.
#2567 [13:39] <xales> TinoNT: for the record, can you give us your minecraft username?
#2568 [13:40] <TinoNT> Keshaa
#2569 [13:40] <xales> ok, thanks
#2570 [13:41] <TinoNT> If you go underground sometimes theres a big ditch that shows but isnt really there
#2571 [13:41] <TinoNT> So it shows you the materials on the border
#2572 [13:41] <xales> That is a normal bug
#2573 [13:41] <Kaito> so, since hMod does'nt work with beta 1.2_01, what server mod should I install?
#2574 [13:42] <DopeGhoti> A really big, square ditch?
#2575 [13:42] <TinoNT> like Diamond or w/e
#2576 [13:42] <DopeGhoti> that should have been fixed with today's update.
#2577 [13:42] <DopeGhoti> fcvo 'fixed'
#2578 [13:42] <TinoNT> is like a whole section isnt loading
#2579 [13:42] <DopeGhoti> exactly. Again, though, that should automagically fix itself with today's update.
#2580 [13:42] <TinoNT> so its inv but you can the parts around it that are loaded so it shows you diamond gold etc
#2581 [13:43] <GreyVulpine> Kaito - There are currently none compatible with today's update
#2582 [13:43] <Kaito> oh...
#2583 [13:43] <Kaito> well then
#2584 [13:43] <GreyVulpine> Basically vanilla's the way to go, until the bukkit team finishes with their API
#2585 [13:44] <TinoNT> Also Dope it is not fixed
#2586 [13:44] <GreyVulpine> There's some rumors that some members of the bukkit team will update hmod, but don't count on it
#2587 [13:44] <TinoNT> As I still see it hah
#2588 [13:44] <DopeGhoti> s/the bukkit team/Mojang/ # FTFY
#2589 [13:45] <xales> TinoNT: What version does your client say in the top left?
#2590 [13:45] <TinoNT> 1.2_01
#2591 [13:46] <GreyVulpine> Aaaah, why are there 3 pigs, 2 cows and a black sheep in my house?
#2592 [13:46] <xales> is the error the same?
#2593 [13:46] <Kaito> Grey: you have grass in there?
#2594 [13:46] <TinoNT> No it isnt an error
#2595 [13:46] <DopeGhoti> because you left the barn door open?
#2596 [13:46] <xales> TinoNT: Then what doesn't work?
#2597 [13:46] <TinoNT> Its like a bug or something
#2598 [13:46] <xales> The missing chunks?
#2599 [13:46] <Kaito> I had a missing chunk
#2600 [13:46] <Kaito> i found it awesome
#2601 [13:46] <TinoNT> its a big whole that doesnt load
#2602 [13:46] <TinoNT> hole*
#2603 [13:46] <Kaito> "oh look, a massive crater"
#2604 [13:46] <xales> just log out and log back in
#2605 [13:47] <Kaito> *jump*
#2606 [13:47] <TinoNT> Yeah
#2607 [13:47] <TinoNT> But really there isnt a crater
#2608 [13:47] <Kaito> right, just a square hole
#2609 [13:47] <TinoNT> yup
#2610 [13:47] <Kaito> for a second, i thought my TNT cannon caused it
#2611 [13:47] <xales> TinoNT: There is nothing you can do about it, supposedly it is fixed
#2612 [13:47] <Kaito> i was like HOLY CRAP...awww
#2613 [13:47] <DopeGhoti> it can still kill you if the server doesn't reset your position and you walk off the "end" of a high, high bridge.
#2614 [13:47] <TinoNT> and it shows you where all the stuff are in the ground
#2615 [13:47] <Kaito> chunk error
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#2617 [13:47] <TinoNT> Yeah just letting you guys know
#2618 [13:48] <mbentley> TinoNT: like this? >> http://www.mbentley.net/temp/minecraft/screen_shots/2010-12-18_render_fail.png
#2619 [13:50] <TinoNT> yeah
#2620 [13:50] <TinoNT> only in water so far
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#2622 [13:51] <xales> TinoNT: if it doesn't go away when you reconnect to the server then your world is corrupt
#2623 [13:51] <DopeGhoti> or you're just unlucky and need to relog once more
#2624 [13:51] <Ugah> anyone know a good map generator the in game one too many times gives me crappy ones and i have to keep generating deleting generating deleting
#2625 [13:52] <Ugah> over and over again
#2626 [13:52] <TinoNT> Thats how i fix it is to relog whenver i see it
#2627 [13:52] <Ugah> plus it like lags in game
#2628 [13:52] <Ugah> would rather it all be ready instead
#2629 [13:52] <Ugah> instead of trying to make the starting chunks
#2630 [13:52] <TinoNT> Ugah it lags cause your loading lol
#2631 [13:52] <Ugah> yeah
#2632 [13:52] <Ugah> exactly
#2633 [13:52] <TinoNT> give it a sec
#2634 [13:52] <Ugah> i know
#2635 [13:52] <Ugah> im just saying
#2636 [13:53] <Ugah> too often i wait for it to generate and its a crappy map
#2637 [13:53] <xales> An out-of-game generator would probably lag more, honestly
#2638 [13:53] <GreyVulpine> If you don't like the immediate spawn area, walk 5 minutes in a direction
#2639 [13:53] <xales> ^
#2640 [13:53] <Ugah> delete generate delete generate
#2641 [13:53] <GreyVulpine> It's not hard
#2642 [13:53] <xales> Maps are extremely large, just walk away from spawn for a while
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#2644 [13:53] <TinoNT> Another thing that should be fixed is clouds going through enclosed areas.
#2645 [13:54] <xales> Its not exactly a priority as it is only a visual issue, not one that breaks gameplay
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#2647 [13:54] <TinoNT> yeah
#2648 [13:54] <fofogogo23> I have a question about texture packs, can anybody help? (Texture pack creation)
#2649 [13:54] <GreyVulpine> What about it?
#2650 [13:54] <fofogogo23> Ok so
#2651 [13:54] <TinoNT> Also when you die sometimes some items glitch
#2652 [13:54] <TinoNT> and you cant pick it up
#2653 [13:54] <TinoNT> and it shakes b:/
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#2655 [13:55] <fofogogo23> Can anybody tell me how to make a 32x or 64x or 128x texture pack? (I know 16x ones but how do I make it more?)
#2656 [13:55] <xales> TinoNT: I haven't heard that one before, you sure your not running any mods?
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#2659 [13:56] <fofogogo23> I have a question about texture packs, can anybody help? (Texture pack creation)???
#2660 [13:56] <DopeGhoti> whoa
#2661 [13:56] <TinoNT> It doesnt happen often
#2662 [13:56] <DopeGhoti> deja-vu
#2663 [13:56] <fofogogo23> Rofl sorry re-posted
#2664 [13:56] <fofogogo23> Can anybody tell me how to make a 32x or 64x or 128x texture pack? (I know 16x ones but how do I make it more?)
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#2666 [13:56] <GreyVulpine> fofogogo23 - With a mod. You would need to use an HD texture fix
#2667 [13:57] <fofogogo23> So, how do I do this?
#2668 [13:57] <cubs197> my beta version keeps freezing every like 2 mins. Is that normal for the beta?
#2669 [13:57] <fofogogo23> I want to make my texture pack 128x
#2670 [13:57] <GreyVulpine> Check out minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=46173
#2671 [13:57] <TinoNT> Does that increase the visuals?
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#2673 [13:57] <fofogogo23> Wait so
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#2675 [13:58] <fofogogo23> To change MY texture pack that IM making, I use this?
#2676 [13:58] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#2677 [13:58] <IVIegaman> hi
#2678 [13:58] <DopeGhoti> IVIegaman: 'lo
#2679 [13:58] <GreyVulpine> And everybody who uses your texture pack, would have to install this beforehand
#2680 [13:58] <fofogogo23> Ok thanks GreyVulpine ill check it out
#2681 [13:58] <IVIegaman> i need some help
#2682 [13:58] <GreyVulpine> IVIegaman - With?
#2683 [13:59] <DopeGhoti> you've come to the right place, but you need to be more specifig.
#2684 [13:59] <DopeGhoti> er, specific.
#2685 [13:59] <cubs197> i'd like some help too
#2686 [13:59] <IVIegaman> teh game crashed
#2687 [13:59] <IVIegaman> the
#2688 [13:59] <cubs197> mine too
#2689 [13:59] <GreyVulpine> Could you be more specific?
#2690 [13:59] <IVIegaman> y, w8
#2691 [13:59] <mbentley> did you get a crash report with more info?
#2692 [13:59] <IVIegaman> --- BEGIN ERROR REPORT a1dce528 -------- Generated 14.01.11 19:51 Minecraft: Minecraft Beta 1.2_01 OS: Windows 7 (x86) version 6.1 Java: 1.6.0_23, Sun Microsystems Inc. VM: Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (mixed mode), Sun Microsystems Inc. LWJGL: 2.4.2 OpenGL: ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series version 3.3.10317 Compatibility Profile Context, ATI Technologies In
#2693 [13:59] <IVIegaman> ohhh
#2694 [13:59] <mbentley> pastebin.com
#2695 [13:59] <IVIegaman> w8
#2696 [14:00] <fofogogo23> Wait so GreyVulpine for the creator of the texture pack I do what to turn it into 64x ? Do I patch it then edit/
#2697 [14:00] <IVIegaman> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1752972/minecraft%20error.PNG
#2698 [14:01] <mbentley> first of all, what is your minecraft username?
#2699 [14:01] <IVIegaman> same like here
#2700 [14:01] <IVIegaman> IVIegaman
#2701 [14:01] <mbentley> thanks.
#2702 [14:01] <mbentley> have you tried to update your video card drivers from amd.com ?
#2703 [14:01] <GreyVulpine> fofogogo23 - You just make your .pngs bigger, 128 pixels to a square
#2704 [14:02] <fofogogo23> sorry im a noob, how?
#2705 [14:02] <xales> fofogogo23: you draw them larger
#2706 [14:02] <IVIegaman> hmmm, yesterday it runs without problems
#2707 [14:03] <mbentley> you aren't running any mods are you?
#2708 [14:03] <fofogogo23> Yes but, xales, if I draw them larger they interfere with other blocks
#2709 [14:03] <cubs197> i'll just wait to ask.
#2710 [14:03] <GreyVulpine> Exactly, that's why you use the HD texture fix
#2711 [14:03] <mbentley> cubs197: feel free to ask...
#2712 [14:03] <xales> cubs197: go ahead
#2713 [14:03] <GreyVulpine> Tells minecraft to render accordingly
#2714 [14:03] <mbentley> multitasking if fun
#2715 [14:04] <i81u812> sweet lots of glitch fixes today
#2716 [14:04] <cubs197> I just bought the beta version and every time I play it frezzes then goes to a page with the Mindcraft logo and a blank box
#2717 [14:04] <fofogogo23> Wait so I just put the official terrain.png and put it into a zip file, then in patcher I selected it and selected 128x and clicked patch, I dont think anything changed
#2718 [14:05] <DopeGhoti> Just getting confirmation now that the chunking error is still happening, and only sometimes is self-fixing.
#2719 [14:05] <cubs197> it gives an error too
#2720 [14:05] <cubs197> a text document
#2721 [14:05] <DopeGhoti> cubs197: the error would be helpful.
#2722 [14:05] <i81u812> yeah the invis chunk ?
#2723 [14:05] <GreyVulpine> fofogogo23 - You don't put your pack into the texturepacks folder
#2724 [14:05] <GreyVulpine> You select it with the HD fix
#2725 [14:06] <fofogogo23> Thats what i did
#2726 [14:06] <mbentley> didn't he say that it was more of a temp hack to get that fixed?
#2727 [14:06] <fofogogo23> I did that
#2728 [14:06] <xales> cubs197: copy the text and paste it on pastebin.com
#2729 [14:06] <mbentley> ah yeah - 'Added a temporary fix to get rid of chunk visibility errors'
#2730 [14:06] <cubs197> http://mibpaste.com/LN2pAh
#2731 [14:06] <GreyVulpine> Okay, maybe look at somebody else's texture pack, and follow their example fofogogo23?
#2732 [14:06] <GreyVulpine> http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1021&t=64678
#2733 [14:06] <GreyVulpine> That's a good 128x pack
#2734 [14:06] <fofogogo23> I "zipped" the terrain.png and selected it with the patcher and selected 128x and patched
#2735 [14:06] <fofogogo23> Oh thanks
#2736 [14:06] <fofogogo23> Ill check it out
#2737 [14:07] <xales> cubs197: and you see this right after it starts up?
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#2739 [14:07] <GreyVulpine> fofogogo23 - Or this one, http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1021&t=136785
#2740 [14:07] <GreyVulpine> Shows his pngs
#2741 [14:07] <mib_izor5q> hello, whenever i try to log into a server, i get a message saying bad login, how do i fix this please??
#2742 [14:07] <cubs197> like two min. into playing
#2743 [14:07] <GreyVulpine> mib_7qyvod - Are you logging into a classic server?
#2744 [14:08] <xales> cubs197: it looks like a sound issue, do you know around how old your computer is?
#2745 [14:08] <mib_izor5q> im not sure, just whenevr i try any ip
#2746 [14:08] <GreyVulpine> mib_7qyvod - Try greyvulpine.dyndns.org
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#2748 [14:08] <mib_izor5q> ok
#2749 [14:08] <cubs197> I'm not sure. It's like a decade old though, but other programs work ok
#2750 [14:08] <mib_izor5q> failed to log in: bad login
#2751 [14:09] <GreyVulpine> Weird.
#2752 [14:09] <CruelNoise> xales: what's the path to the .jars on minecraft.net?
#2753 [14:09] <DopeGhoti> mib_izor5q: what is your minecraft username?
#2754 [14:09] <xales> mib_izor5q: what is your username
#2755 [14:09] <GreyVulpine> damn ninjas
#2756 [14:09] <xales> CruelNoise: uhh...they aren't on minecraft.net
#2757 [14:09] <DopeGhoti> wachow!
#2758 [14:09] <xales> they are in an S3 bucket
#2759 [14:09] <mib_izor5q> i dont have one, using a cracked version
#2760 [14:09] * GreyVulpine facepalms
#2760 [14:09] <DopeGhoti> then you're a> going on my ignore list
#2761 [14:09] * xales kicked mib_izor5q from #MineCraftHelp (Reason: Don't ask for help stealing in an official channel, fool)
#2762 [14:10] <xales> See what I mean?
#2763 [14:10] <DopeGhoti> and b> I won't bother with b.
#2764 [14:10] * GreyVulpine sighs
#2764 [14:10] <xales> This is why we have the new check-their-username thing :)
#2765 [14:10] <CruelNoise> xales: damn it how do i get them
#2766 [14:10] <xales> CruelNoise: which ones
#2767 [14:11] <CruelNoise> xales: grah
#2768 [14:11] <CruelNoise> nevermind, I'll just try using this old copy of the wom client
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#2770 [14:11] <mbentley> lol
#2771 [14:11] <xales> unbelievable
#2772 [14:11] <xales> #minecraft is actually talking about minecraft
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#2774 [14:12] <cubs197> xales: my computer is like 5 or 6 years old
#2775 [14:12] <xales> cubs197: does sound work in other programs?
#2776 [14:12] <cubs197> yes
#2777 [14:13] <xales> cubs197: are you using windows 7?
#2778 [14:13] <cubs197> no XP
#2779 [14:14] <xales> ok, press the windows key and the R key at the same time
#2780 [14:14] <xales> a "run" box should come up
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#2782 [14:14] <xales> did that open?
#2783 [14:15] <cubs197> yes
#2784 [14:15] <xales> ok, in that box type in
#2785 [14:15] <xales> %appdata%
#2786 [14:15] <xales> and click run
#2787 [14:15] <cubs197> ok
#2788 [14:15] <xales> did another window come up?
#2789 [14:15] <GreyVulpine> That mibbit guy is still trying to connect to my server
#2790 [14:15] * GreyVulpine sighs
#2790 [14:15] <xales> GreyVulpine: LOL
#2791 [14:15] <cubs197> yeah
#2792 [14:16] <cubs197> Its called application data
#2793 [14:16] <xales> GreyVulpine: abuse@his-ip.tld with log of him joining and saying he has a cracked version, and connecting to your server
#2794 [14:16] <xales> They sometimes actually listen to abuse reports
#2795 [14:16] <xales> cubs197: do you see ".minecraft" folder in there
#2796 [14:16] <GreyVulpine> Really not worth it
#2797 [14:16] <cubs197> yep
#2798 [14:16] <xales> GreyVulpine: Firewall + his ip = fun stuff
#2799 [14:16] <xales> cubs197: rename the folder to minecraftbackup
#2800 [14:16] <GreyVulpine> He's not getting in with a cracked version, just spamming my logs
#2801 [14:17] <cubs197> ok
#2802 [14:17] <cubs197> with the period at the front or no?
#2803 [14:17] <xales> GreyVulpine: Might as well block him so he stops :P
#2804 [14:17] <xales> cubs197: doesn't matter
#2805 [14:17] <cubs197> ok
#2806 [14:17] <xales> try running minecraft again, it should redownload stuff, and then start working
#2807 [14:18] <GreyVulpine> GAH, DAMN YOU CREEPER. stop blowing up my house!
#2808 [14:18] <DopeGhoti> ProTip: windows.
#2809 [14:18] <DopeGhoti> (and roof egress)
#2810 [14:18] <xales> ^
#2811 [14:18] <cubs197> ok so far
#2812 [14:19] <cubs197> its pretty laggy thou
#2813 [14:20] <svens> Hey guys, is there a guide on how to make minecart tracks in beta/paid version? In singleplayer it works well, however I'm having massive troubles doing the same in multiplayer mode..
#2814 [14:20] <xales> I'm just going to guess here, but that is likely because your computer isn't up to running it properly
#2815 [14:20] <xales> svens: ehh, try again
#2816 [14:20] <xales> it got 'fixed' recently I think
#2817 [14:21] <cubs197> well the fact that i have a lot of windows open might be true
#2818 [14:21] <svens> xales: what got fixed?
#2819 [14:21] <xales> cubs197: It may be that, but if your computer is 5-6 years old it won't run perfectly on older hardware
#2820 [14:21] <xales> svens: placing minecart track, I think
#2821 [14:21] <DopeGhoti> svens: minecart track-laying problems are reportedly fixed in today's release.
#2822 [14:22] <svens> nice.
#2823 [14:22] <cubs197> yeah. well it hasn't crashed yet
#2824 [14:22] <svens> server don't update automatically on restart, do they?
#2825 [14:22] <mbentley> no they do not
#2826 [14:22] <xales> DopeGhoti: do you get the same bad feeling I do when people like "14:20:47 -!- asdasda [Mibbit@p5DD3A492.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #minecraft" or "10:45:40 -!- MUDKIPSNOMEW [Mibbit@5350FE4D.cm-6-1d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #minecraft" show up?
#2827 [14:24] <DopeGhoti> xales: kinda, yeah.
#2828 [14:24] <cubs197> oh my gosh. it crashed
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#2830 [14:25] <mbentley> error message?
#2831 [14:25] <xales> cubs197: what error?
#2832 [14:25] <xales> same?
#2833 [14:26] <cubs197> yeah looks like it
#2834 [14:26] <xales> do any sounds work?
#2835 [14:26] <xales> while you are playing
#2836 [14:26] <cubs197> yeah
#2837 [14:27] <cubs197> most of them are. like the sheep and my steps.
#2838 [14:27] <xales> the error is with the sound library
#2839 [14:27] <xales> so its pretty likely that a bad driver or too old soundcard is at fault
#2840 [14:27] <cubs197> ok
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#2844 [14:43] <fogwraith> Okay, so I found a caver
#2845 [14:43] <fogwraith> While exploring this cavern, I came to the end of it
#2846 [14:43] <fogwraith> The walls have mossy cobblestone and regular cobblestone
#2847 [14:43] <GreyVulpine> Oooo
#2848 [14:43] <fogwraith> In the center, it looks like a cage thats burning, with a chicken
#2849 [14:43] <fogwraith> Two boxes, with redstone and some other crap
#2850 [14:43] <xales> screenshot it O_o
#2851 [14:43] <xales> also, http://pastebin.com/Tzrmp3aS
#2852 [14:44] <fogwraith> I just added some torches, hang on
#2853 [14:47] <fogwraith> Got the shots, any good host for multiple uploads at once? ;P
#2854 [14:49] <xales> fogwraith: dropbox
#2855 [14:49] * mbentley shrugs
#2855 [14:49] <mbentley> i just run my own server
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#2857 [14:51] <fogwraith> I'll just add them to picasa ;P
#2858 [14:51] <fogwraith> http://picasaweb.google.com/fogWraith
#2859 [14:51] <fogwraith> Does that work?
#2860 [14:51] <DenDen> Hey guys. Other people in my local network can join my server, but not others. Why is this? I forwarded the right port and I've done everything I can remember to make it work like last time.
#2861 [14:52] <fogwraith> And I see now that it's not a chicken, it's a tiny spinning pig
#2862 [14:52] <zz> lol
#2863 [14:52] <mbentley> so people on the lan can connect but not externally?
#2864 [14:52] <DenDen> Exactly.
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#2866 [14:52] <mbentley> make sure the external ip is the same?
#2867 [14:52] <xales> DopeGhoti: what IP do you give them to connect to
#2868 [14:52] <xales> err
#2869 [14:52] <xales> DenDen:
#2870 [14:52] <fogwraith> So if anyone can tell me what kind of room I stumbled upon, feel free to tell me ;P
#2871 [14:52] <zz> fogwraith: Is this single or multiplayer?
#2872 [14:52] <GreyVulpine> It's just a random "dungeon"
#2873 [14:53] <GreyVulpine> with a mob spawner
#2874 [14:53] <DenDen> Well I tried both my local and external ip
#2875 [14:53] <fogwraith> Meh ;P
#2876 [14:53] <fogwraith> Freaky thing to stumle upon though
#2877 [14:53] <GreyVulpine> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Dungeon
#2878 [14:53] <zz> But they normally have hostile mobs.. Unless it has been changed lately
#2879 [14:54] <xales> DenDen: which one did you give other people to try to connect to
#2880 [14:54] <DenDen> At first the external.
#2881 [14:54] * fogwraith steals the loot
#2881 [14:54] <DenDen> When that didn't work, they tried the local.
#2882 [14:54] <i81u812> does tnt blow up obsidion?
#2883 [14:54] <xales> DenDen: what is the external?
#2884 [14:54] <DenDen> Uhh... 81.230.160.62?
#2885 [14:55] <DenDen> Not really sure what I'm talking about though
#2886 [14:55] <xales> If it didn't work, double check the port forwarding and ensure any firewall you may have running is disabled
#2887 [14:55] <fogwraith> As I'm trying to destroy the mobspawner, chickens come and push me away O_o
#2888 [14:55] <xales> fogwraith: hahahaha
#2889 [14:56] <DenDen> Already did both steps, didn't help.
#2890 [14:56] <mbentley> DenDen: http://www.whatismyip.org
#2891 [14:56] <mbentley> make sure that is the same
#2892 [14:56] <DenDen> Funny, I used that exact same site.
#2893 [14:56] <mbentley> local ip of the server change?
#2894 [14:57] <DenDen> Not that I know of.
#2895 [14:57] <xales> DenDen: Both your internal/local IP (not 127.0.0.1, the one that starts with 192.168) can change, DenDen
#2896 [14:57] <mbentley> i was just able to connect just fine
#2897 [14:57] <DenDen> Then the fault isn't mine.
#2898 [14:57] <mbentley> so your server is working
#2899 [14:57] <DenDen> Thank you.
#2900 [14:57] <mbentley> yup
#2901 [14:57] <mbentley> np
#2902 [14:58] <GreyVulpine> hey xales, what day was that guacamole guy here?
#2903 [14:58] <xales> uhh, I can check if you really want to know.
#2904 [14:58] <xales> I think he was in #minecraft
#2905 [14:58] <GreyVulpine> Yeah
#2906 [14:59] <mbentley> Jan-11 22:52 -!- guacamole was kicked from #minecraft by xales [Your the one pirating, dude]
#2907 [14:59] <xales> ^
#2908 [14:59] <xales> anyway, I have to go for a bit
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#2914 [15:07] <i81u812> seems like Im seeing alot more iron since the update
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#2917 [15:10] <DopeGhoti> so am I thanks to chunking errors
#2918 [15:10] <DopeGhoti> still no vitamin D though
#2919 [15:10] <shmoo> Is there an easy way to run Minecraft_server.jar on windows?
#2920 [15:10] <DopeGhoti> shmoo: yes: java -jar minecraft_server.jar
#2921 [15:10] <shmoo> In the command prompt or what?
#2922 [15:11] <DopeGhoti> yep
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#2925 [15:16] <shmoo> DopeGhoti: Okay I installed Java 1.6 but I'm still getting the message that Java is not a command.
#2926 [15:17] <DopeGhoti> shmoo: you might need to add java to your path, or call its path explicitly
#2927 [15:17] <GreyVulpine> environment variables
#2928 [15:17] <shmoo> Let me guess... That involves a long string of actions a noob like me does not have a chance of comprehending this fast.
#2929 [15:18] <DopeGhoti> that depends.
#2930 [15:18] <DopeGhoti> Do you know what I meant by 'path'?
#2931 [15:18] <shmoo> Well yeah
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#2934 [15:18] <DopeGhoti> http://www.java.com/en/download/help/path.xml
#2935 [15:18] <shmoo> Wait so I add Java to minecraft_server.jar's path?
#2936 [15:19] <shmoo> Or the java string anyhow
#2937 [15:19] <DopeGhoti> no, you have to add it to the command-line environment's path.
#2938 [15:19] <DopeGhoti> so that when you type 'java', the system knows where to find it
#2939 [15:19] <shmoo> ...oh lawd
#2940 [15:19] <GreyVulpine> shmoo - What OS?
#2941 [15:19] <DopeGhoti> (which is what the path is))
#2942 [15:19] <mbentley> or just call the entire path to the java file...
#2943 [15:19] <shmoo> Win7 - unfortunately.
#2944 [15:19] <GreyVulpine> No problem
#2945 [15:19] <GreyVulpine> I'll walk you through it
#2946 [15:19] <DopeGhoti> http://www.java.com/en/download/help/path.xml <- wallkthrough there.
#2947 [15:20] <GreyVulpine> Or that works as well
#2948 [15:21] <shmoo> I follow the Vista instructions for 7, right?
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#2950 [15:21] <mbentley> yeah. only problem with those instructions would be the lack of specifics
#2951 [15:21] * GreyVulpine nods
#2951 [15:21] <shmoo> Let's hope I figure it out.
#2952 [15:21] <GreyVulpine> shmoo - Go to your control panel
#2953 [15:22] <GreyVulpine> Go to the java app there.
#2954 [15:22] <shmoo> Yep.
#2955 [15:22] <GreyVulpine> Click on the java tab at the top
#2956 [15:22] <GreyVulpine> Click on the "View" button
#2957 [15:22] <shmoo> I am troubled though - it says 32 bit when I'm running a 64 bit OS
#2958 [15:22] <GreyVulpine> tell me the Path listed there
#2959 [15:22] <GreyVulpine> No worries
#2960 [15:23] <shmoo> How do I see the full path?
#2961 [15:23] <GreyVulpine> click on the entry
#2962 [15:23] <shmoo> Yeah nevermind
#2963 [15:23] <GreyVulpine> paste it here
#2964 [15:23] <shmoo> C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jre6\bin\javaw.exe
#2965 [15:23] <GreyVulpine> Okay, you can close that now
#2966 [15:23] <shmoo> mhm.
#2967 [15:23] <GreyVulpine> Go to your start menu, right click on Computer, go to properties
#2968 [15:24] <GreyVulpine> Along the left side should be advanced system settings.
#2969 [15:24] <shmoo> Yep.
#2970 [15:24] <GreyVulpine> Click on that, you should see a button for environment variables
#2971 [15:24] <GreyVulpine> Go there
#2972 [15:25] <GreyVulpine> Do you see a bottom panel for system variables?
#2973 [15:25] <shmoo> Actually, I am having trouble finding the advanced system settings.
#2974 [15:25] <shmoo> What tab?
#2975 [15:25] <GreyVulpine> Um, advanced?
#2976 [15:25] <shmoo> No such tab :|
#2977 [15:25] <DopeGhoti> o.O
#2978 [15:25] <PLASMiK> Hello everyone, yesterday, my computer crashed while I was playing and for some unknown reason, unfortunately, when I booted it, my world wasn't displayed on minecraft anymore. But the files are still in .minecraft. I tried to c/p the files into another world but it still doesn't work. Is there any way to fix this? Java is up-to-date
#2979 [15:25] <GreyVulpine> Alright, um.
#2980 [15:25] <GreyVulpine> Go to your control panel then, go to system.
#2981 [15:25] <shmoo> This is really weird.
#2982 [15:25] <GreyVulpine> then advanced
#2983 [15:26] <GreyVulpine> look for an environment variable button
#2984 [15:26] <shmoo> There we go.
#2985 [15:26] <GreyVulpine> Do you see a bottom panel for system variables?
#2986 [15:26] <shmoo> Yep.
#2987 [15:26] <GreyVulpine> Look for a PATH entry
#2988 [15:26] <GreyVulpine> Copy the entire variable for it here
#2989 [15:26] <GreyVulpine> It'll be long
#2990 [15:27] <shmoo> I'll PM it
#2991 [15:27] <Raitoningu> would it be this? %CommonProgramFiles%\Microsoft Shared\Windows Live;%SystemRoot%\system32;%SystemRoot%;%SystemRoot%\System32\Wbem;C:\Program Files\ATI Technologies\ATI.ACE\Core-Static;%SYSTEMROOT%\System32\WindowsPowerShell\v1.0\;C:\Program Files\QuickTime\QTSystem\
#2992 [15:27] <shmoo> So as to avoid spam
#2993 [15:27] <GreyVulpine> It's alright shmoo
#2994 [15:27] <GreyVulpine> C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Windows Live;C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Windows Live;C:\Program Files (x86)\NVIDIA Corporation\PhysX\Common;%SystemRoot%\system32;%SystemRoot%;%SystemRoot%\System32\Wbem;%SYSTEMROOT%\System32\WindowsPowerShell\v1.0\;C:\Program Files\TortoiseSVN\bin;C:\Program Files (x86)\QuickTime\QTSyst
#2995 [15:27] <GreyVulpine> Is that the entire thing?
#2996 [15:27] <GreyVulpine> Looks like it got cut off
#2997 [15:27] <shmoo> Hmm maybe
#2998 [15:27] <shmoo> Looks so to me as well
#2999 [15:27] <DopeGhoti> it probably did; IRC has a character limit per line.
#3000 [15:27] <GreyVulpine> Yeah
#3001 [15:28] <shmoo> I'll pick up where I left it
#3002 [15:28] <GreyVulpine> Anyhoo, do you see how each entry is seperated by a semicolon?
#3003 [15:28] <shmoo> Uhh...
#3004 [15:28] <shmoo> Yeah
#3005 [15:28] <GreyVulpine> Now, add at the very end, another semicolon
#3006 [15:28] <GreyVulpine> then C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jre6\bin\
#3007 [15:28] <GreyVulpine> (notice how I left off the javaw.exe)
#3008 [15:30] <shmoo> Yep. I added the entry.
#3009 [15:30] <GreyVulpine> Okay, you can close that now
#3010 [15:30] <GreyVulpine> Open up a new command prompt
#3011 [15:30] <GreyVulpine> Do "java -version" to check
#3012 [15:30] <shmoo> It works.
#3013 [15:30] <GreyVulpine> You're good to go.
#3014 [15:30] <shmoo> Why thank joo.
#3015 [15:30] <Raitoningu> Haha, thanks also, was reading along.
#3016 [15:31] * shmoo humbly bows
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#3019 [15:33] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, neat, bone meal as fertilizer.
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#3022 [15:34] <MWNF> Hi all. Can someone help me with my minecraft server? For some reason I can connect to it, but my friend can't even though he can connect to the server running on a different computer that runs through the same modem/router and has the same port settings assigned to it.
#3023 [15:35] <GreyVulpine> It has the same port settings assigned to it?
#3024 [15:35] <mbentley> sorry, not sure if i understand the last half about your friend
#3025 [15:35] <GreyVulpine> How are you port forwarding the same port to two different computers on the same network?
#3026 [15:35] <MWNF> Well same ports open. :D
#3027 [15:35] <MWNF> But I shut down the other server
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#3029 [15:36] <GreyVulpine> Did you change the port forward to point to the new server?
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#3031 [15:36] <MWNF> hmm. Oh wait I see what you mean. I'm an idiot. Just a sec while I try that.
#3032 [15:37] <schmoo> Hurm... Apparently my command prompt is still unable to access minecraft_server.jar
#3033 [15:37] <jess> After the update today, I started getting the "black screen" crash after about 15 minutes of play on my SMP server. Anyone else having this issue?
#3034 [15:37] <GreyVulpine> schmoo - What error are you getting?
#3035 [15:37] <mbentley> you have to be in the correct directory
#3036 [15:37] <mbentley> ie - the same directory as the minecraft.jar
#3037 [15:37] <schmoo> GreyVulpine - I practically quoted it.
#3038 [15:37] <schmoo> mbentley - I see.
#3039 [15:38] <GreyVulpine> Sorry, I jumped in the middle of your previous conversation, didn't catch it
#3040 [15:38] <schmoo> Oh shush you
#3041 [15:38] <schmoo> You helped me enough
#3042 [15:38] <MWNF> Yah that was it. I was just being stupid. :facepalm:
#3043 [15:38] <MWNF> Thanks for the help
#3044 [15:39] <GreyVulpine> No problem
#3045 [15:39] <fork> spiders on my walls.
#3046 [15:39] <jess> Hey Grey...have you been seeing a lot of people with black acreens today?
#3047 [15:39] <jess> *screens
#3048 [15:39] <schmoo> Wait what... Why does it suddenly stop the server?
#3049 [15:39] <Livity> I have had black screens always
#3050 [15:40] <GreyVulpine> I've seen black screen issues since I got here, back in september-ish
#3051 [15:40] <jess> I just started getting them today. Can't play anymore.
#3052 [15:40] <Livity> You have texture pack?
#3053 [15:40] <jess> Everything is vanilla.
#3054 [15:40] <jess> No mods or texture packs.
#3055 [15:41] <jess> Server and client.
#3056 [15:41] <DopeGhoti> Try strawberry instead?
#3057 [15:41] <jess> I'm not familiar with that Dope.
#3058 [15:41] <GreyVulpine> Heh
#3059 [15:42] <Livity> omfg these names are freaking me out :D
#3060 [15:42] <Raitoningu> when i want to connect to my own server, do i connect via my ip or use localhost?
#3061 [15:42] <schmoo> Sorry for being more trouble, but after preparing the level, my command prompt promptly (seewhatIdidthere?) stops the server.
#3062 [15:42] <Livity> localhost
#3063 [15:42] <Raitoningu> then my friends would connect via ip correct?
#3064 [15:42] <Livity> or it actually depends where you server is located
#3065 [15:42] <GreyVulpine> No need to apologize here schmoo.
#3066 [15:42] <DopeGhoti> Raitoningu: indeed.
#3067 [15:42] <Livity> your pc?
#3068 [15:42] <jess> No help then eh?
#3069 [15:43] <schmoo> GreyVulpine: It's just a part of who I am. People tell me I'm too modest.
#3070 [15:43] <mbentley> schmoo: get any errors or what does it output?
#3071 [15:43] <Livity> jess all I can think of is reinstalling minecraft and try play on other world
#3072 [15:43] <schmoo> Oh dear, I can't c/p from the command prompt
#3073 [15:43] <schmoo> Hmm
#3074 [15:43] <jess> tried that already.
#3075 [15:43] <mbentley> jess what happens exactly
#3076 [15:44] <jess> I play for like 15 minutes and my client goes black.
#3077 [15:44] <schmoo> Wait wait wait
#3078 [15:44] <mbentley> known issue...
#3079 [15:44] <GreyVulpine> schmoo - Right click, select "mark", highlight the region, copy into notepad
#3080 [15:44] <schmoo> Scrolled up, it says that I don't have enough ram.
#3081 [15:44] <mbentley> http://getsatisfaction.com/mojang/topics/bwod_black_window_of_death
#3082 [15:44] <DopeGhoti> schmoo: that'd be the problem right there.
#3083 [15:44] <GreyVulpine> Ah, yeah
#3084 [15:44] <jess> Just started for me with todays update.
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#3086 [15:44] <mbentley> not really sure. i get the same thing
#3087 [15:46] <jess> Oh well, time to put Minecraft back on the shelf and wait for some updates I guess.
#3088 [15:46] <jess> Just Cause 2 is calling. Bye.
#3089 [15:46] <Livity> jess. Try put your "minecraft.exe" to %appdata%/.minecraft
#3090 [15:46] <Livity> and make shortcut
#3091 [15:47] <Livity> and use it
#3092 [15:47] <mbentley> Livity: what would that help?
#3093 [15:47] <Livity> That actually helped my friend.
#3094 [15:47] <DopeGhoti> That.
#3095 [15:47] <Livity> I don't know what it helps
#3096 [15:47] <DopeGhoti> er, what.
#3097 [15:47] <DopeGhoti> (I have to admit, though, that JC2 is pretty damned fun)
#3098 [15:47] <PLASMiK> (Attempt #2) Hello everyone, yesterday, my computer crashed while I was playing and for some unknown reason, unfortunately, when I booted it, my world wasn't displayed on minecraft anymore. But the files are still in \.minecraft\. I tried to c/p the files into another world but it still doesn't work. Is there any way to fix this?
#3099 [15:47] <Livity> but he dont get so much black screens.. maybe just coincidence
#3100 [15:48] <schmoo> GreyVulpine: How would I go about solving my ram problem? I tried running it as java Xmx1024M -Xms1024M -jar minecraft_server.jar, but it gives me an error message I will include in a PM.
#3101 [15:48] <DopeGhoti> PLASMiK: it's possible your level.dat got corrupted.
#3102 [15:48] <DopeGhoti> PLASMiK: If so, I"m not certain how your world could be recovered.
#3103 [15:48] <Livity> backups rule.
#3104 [15:49] <DopeGhoti> Livity: no, backups preserve. Rulers rule.
#3105 [15:49] <Livity> whaaat?
#3106 [15:49] <DopeGhoti> Rulers. They rule.
#3107 [15:49] <DopeGhoti> It's what they do. It's right there in the name.
#3108 [15:49] <mbentley> schmoo: pastebin.com
#3109 [15:50] <mbentley> also, 'java Xmx1024M -Xms1024M -jar minecraft_server.jar' is wrong
#3110 [15:50] <schmoo> Oh right.
#3111 [15:50] <Livity> --.-.-.-.
#3112 [15:50] <mbentley> 'java -Xmx1024M -Xms1024M -jar minecraft_server.jar'
#3113 [15:51] <schmoo> Well that got rid of the ram problem... But it still stops my server.
#3114 [15:51] <schmoo> wat.jpg
#3115 [15:52] <mbentley> one sec...
#3116 [15:52] <mbentley> i am trying it myself...
#3117 [15:53] <mbentley> might want to open the server.log and paste it into pastebin.
#3118 [15:53] <mbentley> because that command should work just fine
#3119 [15:54] <PLASMiK> DopeGhoti: I actually have been able to play it for a few minutes this afternoon. The world was displayed (0.05 Mb ? Oo), my inventory was gone but the world was almost as I left it. Then when I closed minecraft and re-opened it this evening, the world was gone again.
#3120 [15:54] <schmoo> Will do.
#3121 [15:54] <schmoo> In the meanwhile - I posted this http://pastebin.com/FUGYGkJG
#3122 [15:54] <schmoo> That's all it gives me.
#3123 [15:54] <DopeGhoti> PLASMiK: sounds very much like corrupted level.dat
#3124 [15:54] <mbentley> weird...
#3125 [15:55] <PLASMiK> meh :/
#3126 [15:56] <mbentley> wonder if it has something to do with the folder you are launching it from and maybe file permissions
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#3128 [15:56] <schmoo> That would probably be it if anything.
#3129 [15:56] <schmoo> My permissions have always been a bit weird.
#3130 [15:56] <schmoo> Anyways... http://pastebin.com/uaXsjU7i
#3131 [15:56] <schmoo> I translated the part within parenthesis
#3132 [15:56] <schmoo> It was in swedish.
#3133 [15:56] <mbentley> ah gotcha
#3134 [15:57] <mbentley> if it keeps doing that then it is a permissions problem
#3135 [15:57] <DopeGhoti> no, those warnings are norman to get the first time the server is started.
#3136 [15:57] <DopeGhoti> er, normal
#3137 [15:57] <mbentley> right
#3138 [15:57] <mbentley> but if it keeps doing it
#3139 [15:57] <mbentley> then it never created the files
#3140 [15:57] <DopeGhoti> mm
#3141 [15:57] <schmoo> Though the files are in my directory.
#3142 [15:58] <schmoo> They were created.
#3143 [15:58] <schmoo> Wait, how do I change what directory I'm executing the java string from in the command prompt?
#3144 [15:58] <mbentley> well you would need to move the minecraft_server.jar to a different directory
#3145 [15:59] <mbentley> but 'cd <directory name>'
#3146 [15:59] <schmoo> Well right now it's in a really general directory
#3147 [15:59] <schmoo> Not even a subfolder
#3148 [15:59] <schmoo> I'd like to be able to place it in a subfolder.
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#3151 [16:02] <Raitoningu> Anyone know what i gotta do when other people can't join my server?
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#3153 [16:02] <mbentley> update it?
#3154 [16:02] <schmoo> ...I think I'm screwed.
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#3157 [16:02] <Raitoningu> How do i update it?
#3158 [16:02] <mbentley> schmoo: why do you say that ?
#3159 [16:02] <schmoo> Download the latest version.
#3160 [16:02] <schmoo> Derp.
#3161 [16:02] <mbentley> !server
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#3163 [16:03] <Raitoningu> i have the lastest version then.
#3164 [16:03] <schmoo> mbentley: Because it keeps giving me that same "Stopping server" BS
#3165 [16:03] <mbentley> and you tried in another directory?
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#3167 [16:03] <mbentley> like just to test, make a directory on your desktop
#3168 [16:03] <schmoo> Actually wait, I think I might have been doing it wrong
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#3170 [16:03] <mbentley> copy or move the minecraft_server.jar to it
#3171 [16:03] <mbentley> k
#3172 [16:04] <mbentley> Raitoningu: were people able to connect before?
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#3174 [16:04] <Raitoningu> Actually, i just bought it today. xD
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#3177 [16:05] <mbentley> might want to read the faq then to make sure you have everything set up properly
#3178 [16:05] <mbentley> (see the topic)
#3179 [16:05] <Raitoningu> ill check it, then check back here.
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#3182 [16:06] <lemon-rev> mbentley mc has another update i was like playing it all last night it seems to go back in version have they revised the update or something
#3183 [16:06] <schmoo> Yep, just tried from another directory but with the same result.
#3184 [16:06] <GreyVulpine> What result? error, or stopping server?
#3185 [16:06] <schmoo> Stopping the server.
#3186 [16:06] <GreyVulpine> How much RAM do you have on the server?
#3187 [16:06] <schmoo> Gawd how do I check that?
#3188 [16:06] <GreyVulpine> ctrl-shift-esc
#3189 [16:07] <GreyVulpine> should tell you in the task manager there
#3190 [16:07] <schmoo> Wouldn't I have to have the server running for that, though?
#3191 [16:07] <GreyVulpine> Under the performance tab
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#3193 [16:07] <GreyVulpine> Would be better if you didn't
#3194 [16:07] <GreyVulpine> How much total physical memory do you have?
#3195 [16:08] <schmoo> 4091 megabytes.
#3196 [16:08] <schmoo> Holy-
#3197 [16:08] <GreyVulpine> Huh, 4 gigs of ram.
#3198 [16:08] <GreyVulpine> Well then
#3199 [16:08] <GreyVulpine> How much free?
#3200 [16:08] <schmoo> Yeah
#3201 [16:08] <Chrispy> so whats awesome is I found you DO NOT need to generate a new map to have all the updates show up
#3202 [16:08] <schmoo> That's what I reacted to with "holy-"
#3203 [16:08] <schmoo> ...
#3204 [16:08] <schmoo> 106
#3205 [16:08] <schmoo> OHOHOHOHO
#3206 [16:08] <Chrispy> oops /nick i81u812
#3207 [16:08] <Chrispy> lol
#3208 [16:08] <GreyVulpine> Well then, there you go
#3209 [16:08] <GreyVulpine> Something's sucking up all the RAM
#3210 [16:09] <schmoo> Time to free up dat ram
#3211 [16:09] <i81u812> so yeah awesome lapis blue
#3212 [16:09] <mbentley> wow, would sort processes by ram usage
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#3214 [16:09] <schmoo> Well firefox tops the list - go figure
#3215 [16:10] <GreyVulpine> Obviously.
#3216 [16:10] <GreyVulpine> firefox is a memory hog.
#3217 [16:10] <schmoo> Yeah.
#3218 [16:10] <schmoo> O hai there skype
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#3220 [16:10] <Coll> isnt there a way to make firefox not be a memory hog
#3221 [16:10] <Coll> cause at times it is complete bullshit
#3222 [16:10] <schmoo> Oh look
#3223 [16:10] <schmoo> I had steam running
#3224 [16:10] <schmoo> *close*
#3225 [16:10] <mbentley> use chrome?
#3226 [16:11] <Tom_007> hello, is there any way hot to host server without jawa or how to make jawa to not use 45% of my CPU ?
#3227 [16:11] <mbentley> Tom_007: no
#3228 [16:11] <mib_7qyvod> Why won't it grow anything on my dirt? :(
#3229 [16:11] <Coll> what is this jawa you speak of
#3230 [16:11] <mib_7qyvod> It did in Alpha.
#3231 [16:11] <mbentley> mib_7qyvod: are you doing everything correctly?
#3232 [16:11] <mbentley> water + plowed dirt
#3233 [16:11] <Tom_007> I downloaded server tool from web and it works my friend can join but when I launch game then it's using 100% of my CPU :(
#3234 [16:11] <schmoo> I must say, I'm not freeing up much ram.
#3235 [16:12] <mib_7qyvod> Sorry, I mean, regular grass.
#3236 [16:12] <Tom_007> http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1473623
#3237 [16:12] <schmoo> I think switching to Chrome would do the trick.
#3238 [16:12] <Tom_007> this is my pc
#3239 [16:12] <mbentley> ah
#3240 [16:12] <Tom_007> running windows 7 proffesional
#3241 [16:12] <GreyVulpine> schmoo - Just see if you can't get at least a gig free before running the server again
#3242 [16:12] <GreyVulpine> If not, 512 is a good start
#3243 [16:12] <mbentley> minecraft isn't exactly easy on any computer
#3244 [16:13] <schmoo> I don't want to cancel processes I don't even know what they are
#3245 [16:13] <GreyVulpine> You can edit the command line to allocate less ram
#3246 [16:13] <Coll> why has java been here for years yet still remain so inefficient
#3247 [16:13] <mbentley> schmoo: did you sort by the 'mem usage' column?
#3248 [16:13] <schmoo> Yep.
#3249 [16:13] <schmoo> Or what that translates to in swedish, anyhoo.
#3250 [16:13] <GreyVulpine> How much RAM free do you have now?
#3251 [16:13] <Tom_007> ram isn't used even a half but jawa platform is using 45% of cpu
#3252 [16:13] <schmoo> I could only free up about a tenth of a gig.
#3253 [16:13] <mbentley> that's normal
#3254 [16:14] <Tom_007> when server is on I got 3,5 GB free
#3255 [16:14] <mbentley> did you close firefox?
#3256 [16:14] <schmoo> Well no, but I'm just about to.
#3257 [16:14] <schmoo> Brb.
#3258 [16:14] <schmoo> (I'm on mibbit)
#3259 [16:14] <mbentley> oh gotcha
#3260 [16:14] <mbentley> lol
#3261 [16:14] <GreyVulpine> Ah
#3262 [16:14] <mbentley> forget about mibbit... :D
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#3265 [16:17] <schmoo> Let's see, what else can I close
#3266 [16:17] <Rait> does minecraft have ventrilo or something of the likes?
#3267 [16:17] <GreyVulpine> No integrated voice chat
#3268 [16:17] <schmoo> "audiodg.exe" ... I don't even know what this is
#3269 [16:18] <mbentley> i can't imagine you have that many high usage processes
#3270 [16:18] <mbentley> like how much ram are they using?
#3271 [16:18] <schmoo> I have like ten different processes called "svchost.exe"
#3272 [16:18] <schmoo> They take up a lot
#3273 [16:18] <mbentley> don't stop those...
#3274 [16:18] <GreyVulpine> Leave those
#3275 [16:18] <mbentley> define a lot
#3276 [16:18] <schmoo> A mig each?
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#3278 [16:18] <GreyVulpine> A meg is nothing
#3279 [16:18] <i81u812> in russia internet kill you
#3280 [16:19] <mbentley> for mine, is shows size in K
#3281 [16:19] <Rait> Actually, the svchost that takes the most memory usage you can stop once, and it lowers the usage abit, atleast for me that what it does.
#3282 [16:19] <schmoo> i81u812: Actually, that's here.
#3283 [16:19] <schmoo> mbentley: Same.
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#3285 [16:19] <schmoo> "dwm.exe"
#3286 [16:19] <mbentley> so 1024 K = 1 MB
#3287 [16:19] <schmoo> 15 552 kB
#3288 [16:19] <mbentley> that is only 15 MB
#3289 [16:20] <schmoo> Me knows
#3290 [16:20] <i81u812> I just saw service host and thought of that
#3291 [16:20] <mbentley> if you barely have any ram available only have processes using like 15 MB of ram, then you must have a crap load of processes running
#3292 [16:20] <Rait> what's a big/huge sized map you can start up in a server?
#3293 [16:20] <schmoo> The only ones that take up a lot of ram are svchost, explorer.exe, SearchIndexer.exe and Skype.exe
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#3295 [16:21] <Sami345> Does anyone have a clue why my server sends chunks so slow speed, it shouldn't be my connection snce I am connected to localhost
#3296 [16:21] <schmoo> Most svchost.exe use up about 10 000 kB
#3297 [16:21] <schmoo> The largest one uses 130 000
#3298 [16:22] <Roxy> what color 3d glass' work best for the 3d-anaglyph mode? red/blue or red/green
#3299 [16:22] <Roxy> hi all
#3300 [16:23] <mbentley> A: You can play Minecraft in astounding 3D-o-scope by turning this option on and wearing red-blue 3D glasses.
#3301 [16:23] <Roxy> anyone know the answer to my question?
#3302 [16:23] <Roxy> ok thanks.
#3303 [16:23] <mbentley> The right lens has to be dark, primary blue. Cyan, which is a pale sky-blue colour, will not work properly with Minecraft. '
#3304 [16:24] <Roxy> thats what iuse but I notieds the right side has a slightly green hue to it now and then and thought it might be red/green
#3305 [16:24] <GreyVulpine> schmoo - I don't know, if you can't free up a few hundred megs of RAM free, I don't see how you can run a server on that machine
#3306 [16:25] <GreyVulpine> Is there any way you can get another box, running just the server and nothing else?
#3307 [16:25] <schmoo> GreyVulpine - Okay I'll just start deleting the ones that aren't being run by SYSTEM
#3308 [16:25] <GreyVulpine> I don't recommend that
#3309 [16:25] <mbentley> are you SURE that is all of the ram you have free?
#3310 [16:25] <Roxy> hey while im here. I'm running an acer aspire 5515 with a 64-bit amd athalon. how can I run mc faster
#3311 [16:26] <NinjaKirby> Will power
#3312 [16:26] <schmoo> This IS a fairly high-end computer so I don't see why I could only free up 425 megabytes...
#3313 [16:26] <mbentley> new computer?
#3314 [16:26] <mbentley> i don't understand what could be eating that much ram
#3315 [16:26] <schmoo> Shall I list all my processes and their RAM usage?
#3316 [16:26] <Roxy> mbently who are you asking me or schmoo
#3317 [16:26] <mbentley> schmoo:
#3318 [16:27] <mbentley> on the 'performance' tab, what does it say you have 'available'?
#3319 [16:27] <schmoo> 2035.
#3320 [16:28] <Rait> Greyvulpine, if you can could you try joining my server to see if it's all working? if you have the time, and not assisting someone else
#3321 [16:28] <schmoo> Megs, that is.
#3322 [16:28] <mbentley> under 'physical memory'?
#3323 [16:28] <GreyVulpine> Rait - IP?
#3324 [16:28] <schmoo> Yep.
#3325 [16:28] <Roxy> brb gonna switch from mibbit to mirc
#3326 [16:28] <mbentley> in my version, it is in K
#3327 [16:28] <schmoo> Okay
#3328 [16:29] <mbentley> in vista, it is MB
#3329 [16:29] <mbentley> err, 7
#3330 [16:29] <schmoo> Yeah.
#3331 [16:29] <mbentley> so try to run it now
#3332 [16:29] <schmoo> Stopping server
#3333 [16:29] <schmoo> I HATE YOU, .JAR
#3334 [16:30] <schmoo> Wait RAM shouldn't be a problem
#3335 [16:30] <schmoo> I can run the .exe just fine
#3336 [16:30] * GreyVulpine blinks
#3336 [16:30] <Miclee> Hm, while I upload a video, time to go through stuff on the Getsatisfaction.
#3337 [16:31] <schmoo> But I need the .jar to run runecraft on the server.
#3338 [16:31] <mbentley> time for me to go. happy weekend to me
#3339 [16:31] <schmoo> Thanks for your time anyhows.
#3340 [16:31] <schmoo> Have a great weekend!
#3341 [16:32] <mbentley> np. still confused by your problem :/
#3342 [16:32] <schmoo> Haha
#3343 [16:32] <schmoo> :P
#3344 [16:32] <schmoo> Nobody want to try their hand at it in teamviewer?
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#3346 [16:34] <GreyVulpine> If the .exe worked, why are you trying it with the .jar?
#3347 [16:34] <mib_9amatm> why when i try to play on a server on the free online i get To many connections
#3348 [16:34] <schmoo> I need to use the .jar to run runecraft on my server.
#3349 [16:34] <GreyVulpine> runecraft, with hey0 mod?
#3350 [16:34] <schmoo> Uhh what
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#3352 [16:35] <GreyVulpine> er wait, never mind, that's a standalone mod
#3353 [16:36] <schmoo> Maybe I should get it
#3354 [16:36] <GreyVulpine> Looks like runecraft hasn't been updated for the latest beta yet
#3355 [16:36] <mib_9amatm> Connection Lost - To Many connections
#3356 [16:36] <schmoo> It seems userfriendly
#3357 [16:36] <schmoo> maybe it'll help me install the runecraft plugin
#3358 [16:36] <GreyVulpine> How are you launching minecraft_server.jar?
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#3360 [16:36] <schmoo> Through the command prompt
#3361 [16:37] <GreyVulpine> With what command?
#3362 [16:37] <schmoo> With the command that is listed on the minecraft_server.jar download page @ minecraft.net
#3363 [16:37] <schmoo> "Looks like runecraft hasn't been updated for the latest beta yet" - oh. There's the problem.
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#3365 [16:38] <schmoo> Oh well.
#3366 [16:38] <schmoo> I'll just have to wait then.
#3367 [16:39] <schmoo> Thanks a lot for everything - you helped more than you can imagine.
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#3369 [16:42] <obi_wan> ok, so i am back
#3370 [16:43] <obi_wan> do i need to delete al of my m,incraft info and redownload from the website again or what?
#3371 [16:43] <obi_wan> because i think i have tried just about everything else
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#3374 [16:49] <Solvius> hello, can someone test this or he can log in? IP 94.214.142.159
#3375 [16:49] <Kaito> what port?
#3376 [16:49] <Solvius> as far as I know that not neccesary
#3377 [16:49] <Kaito> it's necessary
#3378 [16:49] <Kaito> and probably default
#3379 [16:49] <Solvius> standard port for the server
#3380 [16:50] <Solvius> thnx :)
#3381 [16:50] <Solvius> well I did that all on my own, i'm da best lol
#3382 [16:50] <Kaito> taking forever to login..
#3383 [16:50] <Solvius> you was logged in ?
#3384 [16:50] <Kaito> im trying to
#3385 [16:51] <Solvius> u typed hi
#3386 [16:51] <Kaito> it's autodisconnecting me becuase it's taking too long
#3387 [16:51] <Kaito> o.o
#3388 [16:51] <Kaito> damn it
#3389 [16:51] <Kaito> ok
#3390 [16:51] <Kaito> can you kick UWKaito?
#3391 [16:51] <obi_wan> this is what i've got
#3392 [16:51] <obi_wan> http://pastebin.com/kYv34Xr8
#3393 [16:51] <Solvius> kick you ? how ?
#3394 [16:51] <Solvius> I can close the server
#3395 [16:51] <Kaito> /kick UWKaito
#3396 [16:51] <Kaito> type that
#3397 [16:52] <Solvius> its a unknown console command
#3398 [16:52] <Kaito> hm
#3399 [16:53] <Kaito> okay
#3400 [16:53] <Solvius> your on the server now :)
#3401 [16:53] <Kaito> yes
#3402 [16:53] <Kaito> *you're
#3403 [16:53] <Solvius> its just the standard server from the download page
#3404 [16:53] <Kaito> right
#3405 [16:53] <Solvius> I only neede to know or it was possible, because of this portforwarding thingie
#3406 [16:54] <Kaito> are you even on your own server?
#3407 [16:54] <Solvius> nope, but I see you :)\
#3408 [16:54] <Kaito> lol, okay
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#3410 [16:54] <Seb_is_hunting> Hey guys
#3411 [16:54] <Solvius> hi seb
#3412 [16:54] <Solvius> thnx kaito :)
#3413 [16:54] <Seb_is_hunting> Back again :P
#3414 [16:54] <Kaito> no problem
#3415 [16:55] <Seb_is_hunting> Still have the problem of not being able to connect to minecraft, however...
#3416 [16:55] <Seb_is_hunting> If firewall is not the problem, is there any other possiblities?
#3417 [16:56] <Roxtar> hi im back
#3418 [16:56] <Solvius> hurray, well windows i got it working, now a fresh install of ubuntu and th fun can begin again :)
#3419 [16:57] <Seb_is_hunting> Hum...
#3420 [16:57] <Seb_is_hunting> Should I ask Notch or will he be annoyed by that...
#3421 [16:59] <Seb_is_hunting> Fine, i'll try find a backup of beta 1.1.02, so i could at least play that...
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#3425 [17:00] <quiggle> would editing your spawn point to be inside your house be considered cheating
#3426 [17:01] <obi_wan> its yyour game if you think it is cheating, then its cheating
#3427 [17:01] <obi_wan> i still cannot get past the bwod
#3428 [17:01] <obi_wan> i have tried redownloading from the website
#3429 [17:01] <quiggle> thing is alot of times it takes me forever to find good generated maps
#3430 [17:01] <quiggle> heh
#3431 [17:01] <obi_wan> deleting and renewing my bin file
#3432 [17:02] <quiggle> and if i walk so far to try to find a good spot itll take that long from the original spawn to get there
#3433 [17:02] <obi_wan> even using the linux .jar and a batch file to start
#3434 [17:02] <obi_wan> all nothing
#3435 [17:02] <quiggle> which kinda stinks
#3436 [17:02] <quiggle> unless i just keep deleting maps and regenerating over and over again
#3437 [17:02] <quiggle> til i get a good spawn
#3438 [17:02] <quiggle> ?
#3439 [17:02] <obi_wan> again, its your file, its your call
#3440 [17:02] <quiggle> wish i could tell it the kinda area i want
#3441 [17:02] <Seb_is_hunting> Obi wan, what error you getting?
#3442 [17:02] <quiggle> yeah
#3443 [17:02] <obi_wan> the bwod
#3444 [17:03] <obi_wan> Black Window Of Death
#3445 [17:03] <Seb_is_hunting> What's that, may I ask?
#3446 [17:03] <Seb_is_hunting> ah, ok.
#3447 [17:03] <Seb_is_hunting> Well, no same problem as me I guess.
#3448 [17:04] <Seb_is_hunting> I'm still in MC Beta 1.1.02, because I can't connect to minecraft.net, so I can't update.
#3449 [17:04] <Seb_is_hunting> However, I can still play offline, but that kind of sucks, especially when you *know* there is a new update put there.
#3450 [17:04] <obi_wan> ok, i keep getting the bwod after each and every update
#3451 [17:04] <obi_wan> its getting really old
#3452 [17:05] <obi_wan> i got it when i boughti
#3453 [17:05] <Seb_is_hunting> hum, maybe that's because of the computer specs...
#3454 [17:05] <obi_wan> at halloween
#3455 [17:05] <quiggle> another thing
#3456 [17:05] <obi_wan> and then today
#3457 [17:05] <quiggle> how do you get minecraft to show fps like it used to let you
#3458 [17:05] <Seb_is_hunting> Yes, quiggle?
#3459 [17:05] <quiggle> it doesnt give you that option anymore
#3460 [17:05] <Seb_is_hunting> Option to do what?
#3461 [17:06] <quiggle> show your fps
#3462 [17:06] <quiggle> months ago there was an option where the game would tell you your fps
#3463 [17:06] <Seb_is_hunting> Ok. however that's not what bothers me the most :D
#3464 [17:06] <quiggle> it was in the options menu
#3465 [17:06] <quiggle> is there still a way to do it?
#3466 [17:07] <Seb_is_hunting> 504 Gateway time-out on minecraft.net. I bet my internet is getting lame...
#3467 [17:07] <quiggle> might be
#3468 [17:07] <Seb_is_hunting> My only conern is that no one else is getting my problem, and I have no idea how to fix it myself...
#3469 [17:07] <GreyVulpine> Could you ping minecraft.net?
#3470 [17:07] <obi_wan> i'm gonna try again when a mod of sometype is on
#3471 [17:07] <GreyVulpine> See what ip it's resolving to?
#3472 [17:08] <obi_wan> ah hah!!!
#3473 [17:08] <quiggle> maybe reset modem?
#3474 [17:08] <obi_wan> there you are!
#3475 [17:08] <quiggle> maybe a dns thing?
#3476 [17:08] <Seb_is_hunting> Reset modem, ok, i'll try that.
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#3478 [17:08] <Seb_is_hunting> Will that solve the client connection error as well, you think?
#3479 [17:08] <Seb_is_hunting> Oh and by the way, how do I ping minecraft.net?
#3480 [17:09] <Seb_is_hunting> Im getting 504 error on this: http://minecraft.net/login.jsp
#3481 [17:09] <Seb_is_hunting> Ok guys, I'll be back in a bit, resetting modem.
#3482 [17:09] <GreyVulpine> Seb_is_hunting - hold on
#3483 [17:09] <GreyVulpine> Seb_is_hunting - What OS?
#3484 [17:10] <obi_wan> is there a new way to ge past the black window of death?
#3485 [17:11] <GreyVulpine> Not really, what's your minecraft username obi_wan?
#3486 [17:11] <Seb_is_hunting> Ok guys, I'm back, just resetted my modem.
#3487 [17:11] <GreyVulpine> Seb_is_hunting - What OS are you on?
#3488 [17:12] <Seb_is_hunting> sorry, i'm not too good in English, what's an OS?
#3489 [17:12] <GreyVulpine> Operating System
#3490 [17:12] <Seb_is_hunting> and... I'm still getting the client error and the 504 on Minecrat.net...
#3491 [17:12] <Seb_is_hunting> Oh, I'm on Linksys.
#3492 [17:12] <obi_wan> coakfloatgrace
#3493 [17:12] <Seb_is_hunting> Or do you mean the computer.
#3494 [17:12] <GreyVulpine> No, your computer's operating system
#3495 [17:13] <Seb_is_hunting> Oh, lol. windows 7.
#3496 [17:13] <GreyVulpine> Go to start -> type in the search bar: cmd
#3497 [17:13] <Seb_is_hunting> Pvailion dv7 laptop computer, in case that helps.
#3498 [17:13] <Seb_is_hunting> Alright, got that
#3499 [17:13] <GreyVulpine> at the black command prompt, type in: ping minecraft.net
#3500 [17:14] <GreyVulpine> Tell me the xx.xx.xx.xx ip address it resolves to
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#3502 [17:14] <Seb_is_hunting> 194.28.157.42
#3503 [17:15] <GreyVulpine> That's the ip I get as well..
#3504 [17:16] <obi_wan> Grey Vulpine why was that important?
#3505 [17:16] <Seb_is_hunting> Hum. Yet yours works... I really have no idea what could be the problem...
#3506 [17:16] <GreyVulpine> Just making sure he's going to the right address
#3507 [17:17] <obi_wan> no no my player name
#3508 [17:17] <Seb_is_hunting> Thing is though, minecraft.net it self wotks. However the login page has a 504 error, and the client cannot connect to minecraft.net either.
#3509 [17:17] <GreyVulpine> Hmm
#3510 [17:18] <obi_wan> just curious why my name was important, i understand the ip adress thing
#3511 [17:18] <Seb_is_hunting> Ok, nevermind GreyVulpine, login page works now, client still no response
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#3513 [17:18] <GreyVulpine> I think the website's having troubles
#3514 [17:19] <Seb_is_hunting> And do you think that because of that, the client cannot connect either?
#3515 [17:19] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#3516 [17:19] <WebCF> Hi @ all - Latest MineCraft Version for Mac isnt working - starts and crashes without any GUI - Mac OSX 6.6 - Known bug?
#3517 [17:19] <GreyVulpine> I haven't heard anything with MacOSX, have you looked at the getsatisfaction bug tracker?
#3518 [17:20] <WebCF> Nope - Can you post the link?
#3519 [17:20] <Seb_is_hunting> Hey GreyVulpine, do you have the latest version though?
#3520 [17:20] <GreyVulpine> Yes?
#3521 [17:20] <Seb_is_hunting> And can you play online?
#3522 [17:20] <GreyVulpine> WebCF - It should be on the channel's /topic
#3523 [17:20] <Seb_is_hunting> As in, not multiplayer, but at least log in
#3524 [17:20] <GreyVulpine> Yes Seb_is_hunting.
#3525 [17:21] <ziggo0`> Seb: with cmd, try doing ipconfig /flushdns
#3526 [17:21] <ziggo0`> then re-try logging
#3527 [17:22] <Seb_is_hunting> re-logging, as in re-starting computer, or internet based applications?
#3528 [17:22] <WebCF> Ok, thanks ;)
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#3530 [17:22] <ziggo0`> Client or the site, it should affect either one
#3531 [17:23] <Seb_is_hunting> Website is half/working, some pages still get errors, client still doesn't connect >.>
#3532 [17:24] <ziggo0`> It's doing the same for me now...wasn't 2 hours ago.
#3533 [17:24] <ziggo0`> hmph
#3534 [17:24] <Seb_is_hunting> Tommorow I'm going to Spain anyways, so i'll see if my internet's IP there will make it to work.
#3535 [17:24] <ziggo0`> Background/tabs are issing
#3536 [17:25] <Seb_is_hunting> Or maybe it's just the site having problems... and then causes the client to react weirdly?
#3537 [17:25] <obi_wan> i wish, i was getting paid to work on this game
#3538 [17:25] <ziggo0`> Client authenticates through minecraft.net I believe, so yes - that would be related
#3539 [17:26] <Seb_is_hunting> Seems like i'll have to hang on with 1.1.02 Beta then...
#3540 [17:26] <obi_wan> because i would work this all day every day, until i had solutions for every os and update issue there was
#3541 [17:26] <darks> i feel like an idiot
#3542 [17:26] <darks> im running a server, and where can i find server.propeties etc,
#3543 [17:26] <darks> win7
#3544 [17:26] <DopeGhoti> darks: in the same directory as the minecraft_server.{exe,jar} file
#3545 [17:26] <darks> fuck
#3546 [17:27] <DopeGhoti> thanks, but no.
#3547 [17:27] <darks> that would be my overfull downloads folder
#3548 [17:27] <Seb_is_hunting> Darks, it should be on where you placed your minecraft server file.
#3549 [17:27] <Seb_is_hunting> Hopefully you put that file in a folder...
#3550 [17:27] <darks> im not too far in, i can make itself its own folder
#3551 [17:27] <DopeGhoti> ProTip: never run things from inside the downloads folder; you never know when it'll explode into 312,534 files.
#3552 [17:28] <darks> yeah. i assumed since the client sets up a folder in appdata the server would do the same
#3553 [17:29] <Seb_is_hunting> Well. I'm going to get off here, There is no way to resolve this issue, but I'm happy it's not only me getting it...
#3554 [17:29] <DopeGhoti> assumtion makes an ass out of U and mption.
#3555 [17:29] <ziggo0`> lol
#3556 [17:29] <ziggo0`> right click extract here has caught me off guard
#3557 [17:29] <ziggo0`> desktop is quite empty, lets extract this....FML
#3558 [17:31] <Seb_is_hunting> Bye peeps, have fun, and enjoy all the time you have with Beta 1.2, which I don't :(
#3559 [17:31] <GreyVulpine> Sorry Seb_is_hunting.
#3560 [17:32] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, seems clients don't know what orientation dispensers have when they connect after it's been placed. Can anybody confirm this?
#3561 [17:33] <obi_wan> i haven't the knowledge
#3562 [17:35] <DopeGhoti> GreyVulpine: the ones on my server seem sane WRT directionality.
#3563 [17:35] <GreyVulpine> You've placed it, disconnected, and reconnected again, to find it facing in the right direction?
#3564 [17:37] <obi_wan> idle
#3565 [17:39] <DopeGhoti> GreyVulpine: indeed. and also have had others place theirs while I was (and was not) connected, and they all seemed to be oriented properly
#3566 [17:39] <GreyVulpine> Well dang, mine's screwed up then.
#3567 [17:39] <GreyVulpine> Thanks.
#3568 [17:40] <obi_wan> lol
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#3570 [17:45] <GreyVulpine> Bah, I'm not the only one, been reported on getsatisfaction
#3571 [17:45] <DopeGhoti> wow, that's a lot of files
#3572 [17:45] <DopeGhoti> current contents of world backup tarball? 101,231 files.
#3573 [17:45] <GreyVulpine> Holy
#3574 [17:46] <DopeGhoti> you should see the map, only it won't load in most image viewers
#3575 [17:46] <ziggo0`> I/O nightmare
#3576 [17:46] <DopeGhoti> and will barely load in GIMP, after it allocates itself 9GB of workspace.
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#3578 [17:48] <DopeGhoti> the images themselves are 150MiB for day; 106MiB for night.
#3579 [17:48] <ziggo0`> 500ish mb map?
#3580 [17:50] <aetherian> how do you get around without getting lost o_O
#3581 [17:50] <aetherian> epic minecarts I guess...
#3582 [17:50] <DopeGhoti> aetherian: the monorail, yes.
#3583 [17:51] <DopeGhoti> but sometimes we just go on walkabout. Good way to stock up on gunpowder^Wsulphur
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#3585 [17:52] <aetherian> ohhh this is smp
#3586 [17:52] <aetherian> I didn't read far enough back
#3587 [17:53] <Rait> Baa, don't wanna sleep, anyone know a full or partial solution to the random fps spikes while playing?
#3588 [17:53] <thereddeh> gnight yall
#3589 [17:54] <Diablothein> ...
#3590 [17:54] <Diablothein> These cookies...
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#3592 [18:03] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, neat. http://i.imgur.com/oewRO.gif
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#3594 [18:04] <lemon-rev> ok neet but how you build it if you can lol
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#3596 [18:05] <DopeGhoti> GreyVulpine: yeah, that'll never happen
#3597 [18:05] <lemon-rev> i cant see why not
#3598 [18:05] <lemon-rev> lol
#3599 [18:05] <DopeGhoti> redstone-powered turbines, though.. that has promise.
#3600 [18:05] <lemon-rev> true
#3601 [18:05] <kekeoki> I was wondering how to run a small server to play with one other friend, i tried to do it said connection failed, im guessing my ports arnt set up but i dont know how to do that and I was wondering if there was a 3rd party way to do that like hamachi or something
#3602 [18:06] <DopeGhoti> And now that we have dispensers, we have something to use with depleted redstone once we have the reactors with which to deplete it
#3603 [18:06] <DopeGhoti> "@notch: dispenser + minecart = rail gun!"
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#3605 [18:07] <GreyVulpine> You know what we need next. A rube-goldberg device.
#3606 [18:08] <DopeGhoti> I saw a video of one earlier this week
#3607 [18:08] <GreyVulpine> dispenser fires arrow at painting, painting falls into water channel, onto a pressure plate, triggering...
#3608 [18:08] <fogwraith> Well, just GOT to love when MC acts up and thinks I'm holding down the forward button and just runs my character into a pool of lava
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#3610 [18:08] <fogwraith> Damn Java crap
#3611 [18:08] <Manelchen> Hi.
#3612 [18:08] <GreyVulpine> 'lo
#3613 [18:08] <Manelchen> Can someone help me?
#3614 [18:08] <DopeGhoti> We can try!
#3615 [18:08] <GreyVulpine> Perhaps
#3616 [18:08] <DopeGhoti> fogwraith: that nearly happened to me last night too :/
#3617 [18:09] <kekeoki> Is there a way to use game ranger or hamachi to do port forwarding for you?
#3618 [18:09] <Manelchen> I got the Message "Can't connect to Server" but Server are online...
#3619 [18:09] <fogwraith> Ghoti, tried to get up, to no avail
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#3621 [18:09] <DopeGhoti> Manelchen: what is your minecraft username?
#3622 [18:09] <Manelchen> Manelchen
#3623 [18:09] <Manelchen> Is Premium.
#3624 [18:09] <DopeGhoti> !paid Manelchen
#3625 [18:09] <DopeGhoti> excellent. What server are you trying to connect to?
#3626 [18:10] <Manelchen> I started the normal Minecraft.exe
#3627 [18:10] <Manelchen> Entered my Password and now is there: "Cant connect to Minecraft.net"
#3628 [18:11] <Manelchen> "Play online once to enable offline"
#3629 [18:11] <DopeGhoti> Manelchen: are you able to go to minecraft.net in a browser?
#3630 [18:11] <Manelchen> yes.
#3631 [18:11] <DopeGhoti> and log in there?
#3632 [18:11] <Manelchen> yes im logged
#3633 [18:11] <DopeGhoti> okay.. try once more logging in from within Minecraft. Erase and re-enter your username and password just to be sure they're in there correctly.
#3634 [18:12] <kekeoki> i typed in localhost to my multiplayer and it didnt work
#3635 [18:13] <GreyVulpine> kekeoki - Made sure your software firewalls are off?
#3636 [18:13] <GreyVulpine> kekeoki - What OS are you on?
#3637 [18:13] <kekeoki> xfire
#3638 [18:13] <kekeoki> XP*
#3639 [18:13] <GreyVulpine> "Firewall.cpl" in your run command, is windows firewall up?
#3640 [18:13] <Manelchen> still dont work
#3641 [18:13] <kekeoki> its off
#3642 [18:13] <another> Hello, I have been experiencing some serious issues with my PC since Minecraft crashed yesterday
#3643 [18:14] <GreyVulpine> kekeoki - Any other security software on your computer?
#3644 [18:14] <kekeoki> Bitdefender
#3645 [18:14] <DopeGhoti> another: define 'issues'?
#3646 [18:14] <another> I am in the middle of typing that, it's lengthy :P
#3647 [18:14] <GreyVulpine> kekeoki - Is the firewall component of that letting connections through?
#3648 [18:14] <aetherian> uh oh
#3649 [18:14] <kekeoki> Yeah its in game mode and has an exception for minecraft
#3650 [18:15] <aetherian> another one
#3651 [18:15] <another> Essentially, my monitor appears damaged. I don't know if it's literally the monitor, or the driver, or my graphics card, but either way, the screen is full of pixels that shouldn't be there
#3652 [18:15] <GreyVulpine> kekeoki - And neither localhost or 127.0.0.1 is letting you connect to the server running on the same machine?
#3653 [18:15] <another> Sometimes the monitor goes blank completely, or the computer crashes. The computer is also functioning much slowerthan usual
#3654 [18:16] <xales> GreyVulpine: psst, server-ip line
#3655 [18:16] <xales> another: Do you have the latest graphics drivers?
#3656 [18:16] <another> This all started when I was playing Minecraft and it suddenly crashed, causing my monitor to go black
#3657 [18:16] <another> xales: I'm pretty sure I do, though it's too late for me to check now
#3658 [18:16] <another> since I simply can't use my computer anymore
#3659 [18:16] <another> I'm typing this from a laptop
#3660 [18:17] <xales> why can't you use it?
#3661 [18:17] <xales> did you try restarting it?
#3662 [18:17] <kekeoki> I tried restarting the server
#3663 [18:17] <kekeoki> now it says
#3664 [18:17] <kekeoki> [INFO] Starting minecraft server version Beta 1.2_01 [INFO] Loading properties [INFO] Starting Minecraft server on 72.130.120.7:25565 [WARNING] **** FAILED TO BIND TO PORT! [WARNING] The exception was: java.net.BindException: Cannot assign requested address: JVM_Bind [WARNING] Perhaps a server is already running on that port?
#3665 [18:17] <GreyVulpine> Gah, yeah
#3666 [18:17] <another> I restarted many times, yes, even in safe mode
#3667 [18:17] <Solvius> ehmm, what are vanilla servers ?
#3668 [18:17] <GreyVulpine> In your server.properties file, delete the stuff after server-ip=
#3669 [18:17] <xales> Solvius: no mods
#3670 [18:17] <GreyVulpine> That field should be blank
#3671 [18:17] <GreyVulpine> Then try connecting again
#3672 [18:17] <Solvius> ok xales thnx
#3673 [18:17] <another> I can't use my computer because it's very slow and prone to cashing, and it's difficult to see the screen because the graphics are borked
#3674 [18:17] <xales> another: if you can get to the option to boot to safe mode, then there is no hardware damage (most likely)
#3675 [18:18] <kekeoki> ok
#3676 [18:18] <kekeoki> hold on
#3677 [18:18] <xales> another: I think that may have something to do with why Minecraft doesn't work
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#3679 [18:18] <another> I should point out that the slowness and proneness to crashing wasn't an issue before Minecraft crashed on me
#3680 [18:19] <MertenNor> my hMod server wont start.. any help ? xD
#3681 [18:19] <GreyVulpine> MertenNor - hmod is no longer in development
#3682 [18:19] <xales> MertenNor: probably something to do with hmod not supporting the latest version
#3683 [18:19] <DopeGhoti> MertenNor: a> no mod support here. b> hmod is discontinued. c> Server updates breal all mods.
#3684 [18:19] <another> When Minecraft crashed, I hard rebooted my PC, because there wasn't anything else I could do -- I'm worried I've damanged something by doing that
#3685 [18:19] <DopeGhoti> break, even
#3686 [18:19] <xales> another: How old is the computer?
#3687 [18:19] <kekeoki> when you type in a ip do you do ip:port or?
#3688 [18:20] <another> a few years, three or so I think.
#3689 [18:20] <xales> also, it is extremely unlikely that you could do hardware damage like that
#3690 [18:20] <GreyVulpine> If you haven't changed the default port, kekeoki, just "ip" is fine
#3691 [18:20] <another> the graphics card is newer
#3692 [18:20] <kekeoki> ok
#3693 [18:20] <kekeoki> how do i open my port, because i got that to work
#3694 [18:20] <xales> another: how new? and how old is everything else?
#3695 [18:20] <GreyVulpine> kekeoki - Can we take this to PM?
#3696 [18:20] <MertenNor> DopeGhoti: is there any minecraft irc that support mods ?
#3697 [18:20] <kekeoki> sure
#3698 [18:20] <DopeGhoti> MertenNor: check #hey0 perhaps?
#3699 [18:20] <MertenNor> oh ok thanks :)
#3700 [18:21] <xales> DopeGhoti: channel is dead, set +m
#3701 [18:21] <DopeGhoti> cheers
#3702 [18:21] <another> I believe the card is two years old. The PC is around three or four years -- I'm not sure. I have a brand new sound card that was installed a few days ago.
#3703 [18:21] <another> (DopeGhoti, I just got your name XD)
#3704 [18:22] <DopeGhoti> :D
#3705 [18:22] <xales> another: as much as I hate to say it, I think the problem is that the rest of the hardware couldn't handle the newer components, and when Minecraft tried to use all of it at once, it overloaded and stuff got broken
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#3707 [18:23] <another> hmm. That's a possibility, although Minecraft was working perfectly for days using the new card. :/
#3708 [18:23] <abcHELP> need some help
#3709 [18:23] <xales> abcHELP: with?
#3710 [18:23] <DopeGhoti> need some specificity.
#3711 [18:23] <abcHELP> How to host a minecraft alpha LAN server? I am here with my friend
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#3713 [18:23] <abcHELP> and we both got the game
#3714 [18:23] <xales> abcHELP: what is your username?
#3715 [18:23] <abcHELP> but we want to play survivor mode together in LAN
#3716 [18:23] <abcHELP> my nickname doesnt matter lol
#3717 [18:24] <xales> it does, actually
#3718 [18:24] <abcHELP> why
#3719 [18:24] <xales> you need to tell us if you want us to help you
#3720 [18:24] <abcHELP> i am just asking why you need my nickname
#3721 [18:24] <abcHELP> i would love some privacy
#3722 [18:25] <GreyVulpine> PM it to xales then
#3723 [18:25] <another> Thanks for your help, xales, I will check my hardware later and see if there's any damage
#3724 [18:25] <xales> another: unfortunately, I don't have any idea without being able to have physical access to the computer. Try asking a local computer guru?
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#3726 [18:25] <xales> abcHELP: we need to verify that you have a valid account
#3727 [18:25] <GreyVulpine> /msg xales your minecraft name
#3728 [18:25] <another> yeah, I'll ask the person who installed my sound card for me; she ought to be able to figure something out
#3729 [18:25] <abcHELP> i have an account
#3730 [18:25] <another> I was just hoping it was a Minecraft problem that could be solved here first ^^
#3731 [18:25] <another> Thanks you though :)
#3732 [18:25] <another> -s
#3733 [18:26] <xales> abcHELP: what is the username?
#3734 [18:26] <xales> you won't get help until you tell us what it is
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#3737 [18:26] <abcHELP> my name is LucenT
#3738 [18:26] <Manele> still dont work :<
#3739 [18:26] <abcHELP> i am using the classic version
#3740 [18:27] <abcHELP> the free to download one
#3741 [18:27] <xales> then why
#3742 [18:27] <xales> 18:23:23 < abcHELP> How to host a minecraft alpha LAN server? I am here with my friend
#3743 [18:27] <feenyx> finally home!
#3744 [18:27] <xales> did you say alpha
#3745 [18:27] <abcHELP> we would love to play together
#3746 [18:27] <abcHELP> its the classic one
#3747 [18:27] <abcHELP> isnt classic alpha?
#3748 [18:27] <feenyx> nope
#3749 [18:27] <xales> no
#3750 [18:27] <feenyx> classic is freebuild
#3751 [18:27] <DopeGhoti> !paid LucenT
#3752 [18:28] <feenyx> alpha, which is now called Beta, is Survival
#3753 [18:28] <xales> also, you even said that abcHELP
#3754 [18:28] <xales> 18:23:34 < abcHELP> but we want to play survivor mode together in LAN
#3755 [18:28] <Skoshuke> !paid Pwezem
#3756 [18:28] <abcHELP> i know i didnt pay
#3757 [18:28] <abcHELP> I AM USING THE FREE ONE
#3758 [18:28] <Skoshuke> :O
#3759 [18:28] <feenyx> there is no free survival
#3760 [18:28] <Skoshuke> Oh snap!
#3761 [18:28] <abcHELP> THE OUTDATED BUT FREE its not that hard :/
#3762 [18:28] <DopeGhoti> no need to shout.
#3763 [18:28] <feenyx> abcHELP: if you're using an outdated one, we can't help you
#3764 [18:29] <abcHELP> My friend gave me his Minecraft with USB, he said its the free one
#3765 [18:29] <abcHELP> he actually paid for it
#3766 [18:29] <abcHELP> he bought it
#3767 [18:29] <abcHELP> but i dont know his account name unfortunately
#3768 [18:29] <GreyVulpine> We do not support pirated copies of minecraft alpha/beta here
#3769 [18:29] <GreyVulpine> Please purchase an account before asking for assistance on it
#3770 [18:29] <abcHELP> its not pirated
#3771 [18:30] <abcHELP> my friend bought it
#3772 [18:30] <xales> if he gave it to you on USB, it is pirated
#3773 [18:30] <GreyVulpine> <abcHELP> My friend gave me his Minecraft with USB, he said its the free one
#3774 [18:30] <GreyVulpine> It's pirated
#3775 [18:30] <feenyx> if he paid for it, it's his copy
#3776 [18:30] <xales> the free one can't be downloaded
#3777 [18:30] <feenyx> if you use it, it's piracy
#3778 [18:30] <abcHELP> omg
#3779 [18:30] <Solvius> he paid but its free, hmmmm
#3780 [18:30] <abcHELP> guys youre so money greedy, we are 2 people sharing one tghing
#3781 [18:30] <GreyVulpine> Now, you can either pay for a premium account, or you can leave.
#3782 [18:30] <abcHELP> thing
#3783 [18:30] <abcHELP> we are not rich
#3784 [18:30] <abcHELP> bye
#3785 [18:30] <xales> The number of pirates is absurd as of late. Thats what, 3 today?
#3786 [18:31] <feenyx> abcHELP: we're not, we don't work for Mojang. We support Minecraft because we're very very avid fans
#3787 [18:31] <feenyx> we don't make a penny
#3788 [18:31] <xales> he left
#3789 [18:31] <feenyx> meh
#3790 [18:31] <GreyVulpine> Yeah
#3791 [18:31] <feenyx> good riddance
#3792 [18:31] <fogwraith> I'm poor too, but I bought the game :P
#3793 [18:31] <Solvius> your money mongers you you :)
#3794 [18:31] <xales> If you can afford a computer and internet connection
#3795 [18:31] <xales> you can afford minecraft
#3796 [18:31] <xales> plain and simple
#3797 [18:31] <fogwraith> Well, not kenny-poor, but still :P
#3798 [18:31] <feenyx> anyone that can afford to own a computer, can afford Minecraft
#3799 [18:31] <xales> ^
#3800 [18:31] <xales> not to mention monthly costs of internet access
#3801 [18:31] <DopeGhoti> hay, can someone point me to where the Classic server and client are? ;)
#3802 [18:31] <feenyx> indeed
#3803 [18:32] * GreyVulpine stabs DopeGhoti.
#3803 [18:32] <xales> DopeGhoti: rim.jobs
#3804 [18:32] <xales> http://rim.jobs that is
#3805 [18:32] <fogwraith> That site's contents wasn't what I expected
#3806 [18:32] <fogwraith> I should sue them
#3807 [18:32] <DopeGhoti> for meeting expectations?
#3808 [18:33] <DopeGhoti> interesting philosophy.
#3809 [18:33] * fogwraith nods
#3809 [18:33] <xales> anyway
#3810 [18:33] <xales> I'm going back to idleland for a bit
#3811 [18:33] <DopeGhoti> (in the interest of knowing, was there ever a Classic client, or was that strictly web-based?)
#3812 [18:33] <Manele> someone know what to do "Cant connect to Server"...
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#3814 [18:33] <xales> Manele: are you connecting to a server that is actually running?
#3815 [18:33] <xales> anyway
#3816 [18:33] <Manele> nope..
#3817 [18:34] <Manele> nothing
#3818 [18:34] <fogwraith> Click singleplayer
#3819 [18:34] <fogwraith> Or what its named
#3820 [18:34] <Manele> Playy online once to enable offline...
#3821 [18:34] <fogwraith> Try connect to crafted.se:8888
#3822 [18:34] <DopeGhoti> Manele: well, log into minecraft.
#3823 [18:35] <DopeGhoti> the messages you are getting aren't exactly obtuse.
#3824 [18:35] <Manele> I log in, get the Error..
#3825 [18:35] <xales> Manele: your login information is incorrect then
#3826 [18:35] <Manele> If someone want he can fix it with Teamviewer.
#3827 [18:35] <DopeGhoti> Manele: what account name are you logging in with?
#3828 [18:35] <Manele> Manelchen
#3829 [18:35] <DopeGhoti> !paid Manelchen
#3830 [18:36] <Manele> Start Minecraft.exe, logging in "Cant Connect to minecraft.net Play online once to enable offline"
#3831 [18:36] <Manele> Can only press "Try agaiN"
#3832 [18:37] <Manele> When i go on homepages like "http://www.minecraft.net/register.jsp" i get Not found
#3833 [18:38] <Manele> The requested URL /register.jsp was not found on this server.
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#3835 [18:39] <DopeGhoti> Manele: what version of Windows are you running?
#3836 [18:39] <Manele> Win 7 32bit
#3837 [18:39] <DopeGhoti> Manele: tap the Windows key, type 'cmd', and press Enter.
#3838 [18:40] <DopeGhoti> you should see a black window appear.
#3839 [18:40] <Manele> yes
#3840 [18:40] <DopeGhoti> in there, type 'ping www.minecraft.net' and press Enter
#3841 [18:40] <DopeGhoti> you should see a line, starting "Pinging www.minecraft.net"
#3842 [18:40] <Manele> yes.
#3843 [18:40] <DopeGhoti> what are the numbers following that in parenthesis?
#3844 [18:40] <Manele> 56 all
#3845 [18:40] <DopeGhoti> 56.56.56.56?
#3846 [18:41] <Manele> no.
#3847 [18:41] <Manele> 109.169.40.163
#3848 [18:41] <GreyVulpine> That's not a normal ip
#3849 [18:41] <DopeGhoti> GreyVulpine: it's not?
#3850 [18:41] <DopeGhoti> I know it's not minecraft.net's ip
#3851 [18:41] <Manele> i really dunno
#3852 [18:42] <DopeGhoti> okay
#3853 [18:42] <GreyVulpine> No
#3854 [18:42] <DopeGhoti> type this:
#3855 [18:42] <GreyVulpine> DopeGhoti
#3856 [18:42] <GreyVulpine> http://pastebin.com/eS9Gpdt6
#3857 [18:42] <GreyVulpine> Check that out
#3858 [18:42] <GreyVulpine> Then work from there
#3859 [18:42] <DopeGhoti> start %AppData%
#3860 [18:42] <GreyVulpine> I recognized that ip
#3861 [18:42] <GreyVulpine> from a month ago
#3862 [18:42] <Manele> yes
#3863 [18:42] <Manele> %appdata$
#3864 [18:42] <Manele> 5*
#3865 [18:42] <Manele> 5*
#3866 [18:43] <DopeGhoti> GreyVulpine: Ah, I thought you were saying that it wasn't an actual IP address.
#3867 [18:43] <GreyVulpine> No no
#3868 [18:43] <Manele> %*
#3869 [18:43] <Manele> Gnah.
#3870 [18:43] <DopeGhoti> Manele: okay, I had a brain fart, close the window that just appeared
#3871 [18:43] <obi_wan> lol
#3872 [18:43] <Manele> okay
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#3874 [18:43] <DopeGhoti> and now in the black window, type start %systemroot%\system32\drivers\etc\
#3875 [18:44] <Manele> y
#3876 [18:44] <DopeGhoti> in there, you should see a file called 'Hosts'
#3877 [18:44] <Manele> yes.
#3878 [18:44] <Manele> open with editor?
#3879 [18:44] <DopeGhoti> right-click it, pick rename, and rename it to 'old-hosts'
#3880 [18:44] <Manele> ok
#3881 [18:45] <DopeGhoti> now try to go to www.minecraft.net in a browser.
#3882 [18:45] <Manele> It works!!
#3883 [18:45] <DopeGhoti> press F5 to reload the page.
#3884 [18:45] <DopeGhoti> if you still see "it works!!", we still have some problems.
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#3887 [18:45] <Manele> reload.
#3888 [18:46] <Manele> reload, cant write
#3889 [18:46] <DopeGhoti> not this page, the page where you tried to go to www.minecraft.net
#3890 [18:46] <DopeGhoti> (darn web IRC clients)
#3891 [18:46] <GreyVulpine> heh
#3892 [18:46] <Manele> yes i know
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#3894 [18:46] <Manele> now minecraft open
#3895 [18:46] <DopeGhoti> okay, good
#3896 [18:46] <Manele> WORKS
#3897 [18:46] <Manele> 11!!!1111
#3898 [18:46] <DopeGhoti> now try the game again
#3899 [18:46] <Manele> thx
#3900 [18:46] <Manele> :D
#3901 [18:46] <Manele> :D
#3902 [18:46] <Manele> :D
#3903 [18:46] <DopeGhoti> that'll be $8.
#3904 [18:46] <GreyVulpine> (I also recommend changing your password soon)
#3905 [18:46] <Manele> ty.
#3906 [18:46] <Manele> :-D
#3907 [18:47] <GreyVulpine> No clue what logging through that ip can do
#3908 [18:47] <Skoshuke> A nose?
#3909 [18:47] <Skoshuke> That's different.
#3910 [18:47] <Manele> guys.. u rock :D
#3911 [18:48] <GreyVulpine> DopeGhoti sure does.
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#3913 [18:48] <obi_wan> think it'll work with me?
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#3915 [18:49] <NewDroidOrder> hey guys got a question for ya
#3916 [18:49] <aetherian> shoot
#3917 [18:50] <DopeGhoti> GreyVulpine: it's a VPS in England, apparently at a company whose abuse email I am about to send a message to.
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#3919 [18:50] <NewDroidOrder> im planning on buying minecraft, but i would like to play the free classic mode just to get a feel for it before making the purchace. anyway, i go to load it and it shows the black minecraft screen then turns to white and never loads
#3920 [18:50] <DopeGhoti> Huh. There are iPad IRC apps now?
#3921 [18:50] <ftw> I just use ssh clients to my home machine and irssi, DopeGhoti
#3922 [18:51] <ftw> Although I think Colloquy is available on ipad/iphone as well
#3923 [18:51] <DopeGhoti> Huh. There are iPad SSH clients now?
#3924 [18:51] <DopeGhoti> (:
#3925 [18:51] <lemon-rev> newdroidorder update java and see hwo you go from there
#3926 [18:51] <ftw> That was the tipping point for me to buy one
#3927 [18:51] <NewDroidOrder> lol ive updated java like 3 times
#3928 [18:51] <NewDroidOrder> :(
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#3930 [18:51] <DopeGhoti> The tipping point for me to buy one will be when it costs less than half of a Macbook Pro.
#3931 [18:52] <DopeGhoti> Maybe.
#3932 [18:52] <ftw> I also like to use it to read comic books.
#3933 [18:52] <aetherian> nice
#3934 [18:52] <NewDroidOrder> so... what do u think?
#3935 [18:52] <aetherian> update java
#3936 [18:52] <aetherian> :3
#3937 [18:53] <NewDroidOrder> lol for the 4th time. hell its worth a shot i guess
#3938 [18:53] <aetherian> wait
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#3940 [18:53] <aetherian> check on cmd what version ya have
#3941 [18:53] <aetherian> unless
#3942 [18:53] <aetherian> you're not on windows
#3943 [18:53] <aetherian> but you seem as if you are
#3944 [18:53] <aetherian> I mean, if it's failing, it's windows.
#3945 [18:53] <aetherian> (or mac)
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#3947 [18:53] <flabbergaster> hello. minecraft says it cant connect to minecraft.net... porque?
#3948 [18:53] <NewDroidOrder> windows
#3949 [18:53] <NewDroidOrder> 7
#3950 [18:54] <aetherian> I knew it!
#3951 [18:54] <NewDroidOrder> lol aah
#3952 [18:54] <aetherian> so check the version
#3953 [18:54] <NewDroidOrder> ok
#3954 [18:54] <aetherian> you know how?
#3955 [18:55] <NewDroidOrder> if u could tell me that would be great, id be able to find it if i were to look on my own though
#3956 [18:56] <aetherian> press windows button+r
#3957 [18:56] <aetherian> and type in cmd
#3958 [18:56] <aetherian> run it
#3959 [18:56] <NewDroidOrder> ok
#3960 [18:56] <aetherian> in cmd, type "java -version"
#3961 [18:57] <aetherian> press enter
#3962 [18:57] <NewDroidOrder> came up with 'java' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program of batch file.
#3963 [18:57] <aetherian> okay
#3964 [18:57] <aetherian> hey guys, someone else help this guy now
#3965 [18:57] <GreyVulpine> Will do.
#3966 [18:57] <NewDroidOrder> lol
#3967 [18:57] <obi_wan> I'm gonna go to bed for tonight, i'll be on early tomorrow morning trying to fix my black window of death prob
#3968 [18:57] <obi_wan> 'night all
#3969 [18:57] <aetherian> bwodftl
#3970 [18:57] <GreyVulpine> NewDroidOrder - You need to add java to your environment variables
#3971 [18:58] <GreyVulpine> Have you installed the latest java?
#3972 [18:58] <NewDroidOrder> 4 times
#3973 [18:58] <obi_wan> yes
#3974 [18:58] <NewDroidOrder> show me the way sir.
#3975 [18:58] <GreyVulpine> What OS are you on?
#3976 [18:58] <aetherian> w7
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#3978 [18:58] <obi_wan> windows xp
#3979 [18:58] <NewDroidOrder> win7 64
#3980 [18:58] <aetherian> toldja
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#3982 [18:58] <GreyVulpine> NewDroidOrder - Could you please go to your control panel, then the java icon
#3983 [18:59] <GreyVulpine> Go to the java tab at the top, then click on the "View" button
#3984 [18:59] <NewDroidOrder> ok
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#3986 [18:59] <obi_wan> ok, night all, good minign and death to all creepers
#3987 [18:59] <GreyVulpine> Could you paste the location labeled under "path" for me
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#3989 [19:00] <aetherian> eeheehee
#3990 [19:00] <aetherian> ermbye
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#3992 [19:00] <NewDroidOrder> ok so am i in java cache viewer?
#3993 [19:00] * aetherian is away: HE'S GOT A GUN
#3993 [19:00] <GreyVulpine> No
#3994 [19:00] <GreyVulpine> Close that window, look for the java tab at the top
#3995 [19:00] <GreyVulpine> not general
#3996 [19:01] <NewDroidOrder> oh ok got it
#3997 [19:01] <GreyVulpine> Click on that view button
#3998 [19:01] <NewDroidOrder> i have 2 of them
#3999 [19:01] <GreyVulpine> Um
#4000 [19:01] <GreyVulpine> Try the top one
#4001 [19:01] <NewDroidOrder> ok ill uncheck the lower version one as well?
#4002 [19:02] <NewDroidOrder> C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jre6\bin\javaw.exe
#4003 [19:02] <GreyVulpine> Thanks, that's what I was looking for.
#4004 [19:02] <GreyVulpine> You can close that now
#4005 [19:02] <NewDroidOrder> ok
#4006 [19:02] <GreyVulpine> Now, control panel -> system
#4007 [19:02] <GreyVulpine> in the advanced tab, there should be a button labeled "Environment variables"
#4008 [19:03] <GreyVulpine> Do you have it?
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#4010 [19:03] <NewDroidOrder> alright im not seeing that.
#4011 [19:04] <NewDroidOrder> i see device manager, remote access, system pretection
#4012 [19:04] <NewDroidOrder> protection*
#4013 [19:04] <GreyVulpine> Alright, um, back to System, do you have "Advanced system settings" on the left panel?
#4014 [19:04] <NewDroidOrder> yes
#4015 [19:04] <GreyVulpine> Click that
#4016 [19:04] <NewDroidOrder> ok
#4017 [19:04] <DopeGhoti> *sigh* So so many people are using 32-bit Java on 64-bit OSs.
#4018 [19:04] <GreyVulpine> Then environment variables
#4019 [19:04] * GreyVulpine nods at DopeGhoti
#4019 [19:05] <GreyVulpine> Bottom panel should be "system variables", correct/
#4020 [19:05] <GreyVulpine> ?
#4021 [19:05] <NewDroidOrder> ok
#4022 [19:05] <GreyVulpine> Look for a "PATH" variable
#4023 [19:05] <NewDroidOrder> gotcha
#4024 [19:05] <GreyVulpine> Paste the contents of it here.
#4025 [19:05] <GreyVulpine> It'll be long
#4026 [19:05] <NewDroidOrder> ok
#4027 [19:06] <NewDroidOrder> got it
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#4029 [19:06] <Rait> Does anyone know a good map generator? or something of the likes?
#4030 [19:06] <DopeGhoti> Rait: Minecraft generates pretty cool maps.
#4031 [19:06] <GreyVulpine> NewDroidOrder - paste here?
#4032 [19:06] <NewDroidOrder> now am i pasting the java path in here?
#4033 [19:06] <NewDroidOrder> along with whats there already
#4034 [19:07] <GreyVulpine> I like to get people to paste it here, just in case they mess anything up
#4035 [19:07] <GreyVulpine> Serves as a backup
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#4037 [19:07] <NewDroidOrder> ok so just paste it at the end of this path
#4038 [19:07] <kekeoki> I got a server up and running but when i destroy a block it regenerates anyone know whatsup?
#4039 [19:07] <GreyVulpine> But, if you don't want to paste the PATH here, just add ";C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jre6\bin\" to the very end of it
#4040 [19:07] <Rait> Dope: some of them have been good, but the last one was horrible, i just got done spending a hour searching where i was building my fortress, and then i couldn't find it, died off a cliff while building, and i gave up. :l
#4041 [19:07] <DopeGhoti> kekeoki: only server ops can build or destroy near spawn
#4042 [19:07] <DopeGhoti> kekeoki: are you an op?
#4043 [19:08] <kekeoki> i can do it away from spawn?
#4044 [19:08] <GreyVulpine> Without the quotes
#4045 [19:08] <kekeoki> and idk what that is
#4046 [19:08] <DopeGhoti> kekeoki: you should be able to
#4047 [19:08] <DopeGhoti> kekeoki: walk a little ways away
#4048 [19:08] <kekeoki> kk ty sir
#4049 [19:08] <DopeGhoti> \o
#4050 [19:08] <NewDroidOrder> ok im pasting C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jre6\bin\javaw.exe at the end of it
#4051 [19:08] <GreyVulpine> don't forget the semicolon before c:\
#4052 [19:08] <GreyVulpine> and don't add javaw.exe
#4053 [19:09] <NewDroidOrder> ok got it
#4054 [19:09] <Solvius> I'm off to bed, have fun guys
#4055 [19:09] <GreyVulpine> Now, you can close that
#4056 [19:09] <NewDroidOrder> ok
#4057 [19:09] <GreyVulpine> Open up a new command prompt
#4058 [19:09] <GreyVulpine> and type "java -version"
#4059 [19:09] <GreyVulpine> It should spit out your version number
#4060 [19:09] <NewDroidOrder> ok
#4061 [19:09] <NewDroidOrder> got it
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#4063 [19:10] <DopeGhoti> JokerPrime: Welcome to #minecrafthelp; how can we help?
#4064 [19:10] <GreyVulpine> Great, now you can continue whatever you were planning on doing.
#4065 [19:10] <NewDroidOrder> ok so it should load now?
#4066 [19:10] <GreyVulpine> I jumped in as aetherian said you needed help with the java environment variable, I didn't catch anything before that
#4067 [19:11] <NewDroidOrder> oh, well it seems as though u have fixed part of it. ill try to load it up and see what happens
#4068 [19:12] <NewDroidOrder> still doing the same thing
#4069 [19:12] <GreyVulpine> What is it doing NewDroidOrder?
#4070 [19:12] <NewDroidOrder> flashes to the black minecraft screen, then to white and stays at white screen
#4071 [19:13] <GreyVulpine> Tried deleting /.minecraft/bin and /.minecraft/resources and have it redownloaded?
#4072 [19:13] <NewDroidOrder> ok and where do i go to delete those
#4073 [19:13] <GreyVulpine> start -> %appdata%
#4074 [19:13] <GreyVulpine> look for a .minecraft folder
#4075 [19:13] <NewDroidOrder> ok
#4076 [19:13] <NewDroidOrder> the folder is empty
#4077 [19:14] <GreyVulpine> Interesting.
#4078 [19:14] <GreyVulpine> It's not even downloading the files...
#4079 [19:14] <xales> GreyVulpine: AppData should never be empty
#4080 [19:14] <NewDroidOrder> sometimes when i try to load it up, it downloads
#4081 [19:14] <xales> Windows installs stuff there when you create the account
#4082 [19:14] <GreyVulpine> I think NewDroidOrder means the .minecraft folder
#4083 [19:14] <GreyVulpine> I'd be surprised if %appdata% is empty
#4084 [19:15] <NewDroidOrder> yah theres nothing in the .minecraft folder
#4085 [19:15] <xales> oh, ok
#4086 [19:15] <GreyVulpine> Okay um.
#4087 [19:15] <NewDroidOrder> appdata/roaming/.minecraft
#4088 [19:15] <xales> %appdata% being empty = bad
#4089 [19:15] <GreyVulpine> Yeah
#4090 [19:15] <NewDroidOrder> roaming is in appdata
#4091 [19:15] * GreyVulpine nods.
#4091 [19:15] <xales> NewDroidOrder: do you have any kind of antivirus?
#4092 [19:15] <NewDroidOrder> yah
#4093 [19:15] <NewDroidOrder> kaspersky
#4094 [19:16] <GreyVulpine> antivirus, or security suite?
#4095 [19:16] <NewDroidOrder> security suite
#4096 [19:16] <Rait> i suppose when you die playing mc you lose the custom skin you have on?
#4097 [19:16] <GreyVulpine> Rait - ?
#4098 [19:17] <xales> Rait: no, you shouldn't
#4099 [19:17] <GreyVulpine> NewDroidOrder - Are you able to play via the browser by chance?
#4100 [19:17] <Rait> the skin of your character
#4101 [19:17] <xales> Rait: no, that won't go away when you die
#4102 [19:17] <Rait> maybe it's just me then idk.
#4103 [19:17] <Rait> xD i am really tired, i just had a image in my head while i playing a bit that i was the black guy with the blue shirt
#4104 [19:17] <NewDroidOrder> no thats how im trying to play. im trying to test it out on the classic free version so that i can get a feel for the game before i buy it
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#4106 [19:18] <xales> NewDroidOrder: I think the problem is that Kasperspy is blocking it from running
#4107 [19:18] <xales> can you try disabling that?
#4108 [19:20] <NewDroidOrder> yah ill give it a go
#4109 [19:20] <GreyVulpine> Other than that, try clearing your brower's cache.
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#4112 [19:21] <NewDroidOrder> ok trying it all right now
#4113 [19:22] <xales> ok, try disabling Kasperspy first
#4114 [19:22] <NewDroidOrder> same thing
#4115 [19:22] <xales> you disabled it?
#4116 [19:22] <NewDroidOrder> yep
#4117 [19:22] <NewDroidOrder> and i cleared cache
#4118 [19:22] <Rait> are there any legit beta servers that are up? That won't shut down after like 10 minutes of playing?
#4119 [19:23] <xales> Rait: most of them. look on minestatus.net
#4120 [19:23] <xales> most of them are legit
#4121 [19:23] <Rait> cool, thanks
#4122 [19:23] <fragtastic69> anyone know what minecraft uses to store data in linux
#4123 [19:24] <xales> NewDroidOrder: is this what you did to disable it? http://www.kaspersky.com/support/kis2011/settings/protection?qid=208282384
#4124 [19:24] <xales> fragtastic69: ~/.minecraft folder
#4125 [19:24] <fragtastic69> does it access it by environment variable?
#4126 [19:24] <xales> fragtastic69: no, it is in the ~/.minecraft folder
#4127 [19:24] <NewDroidOrder> i pauses protection
#4128 [19:25] <xales> NewDroidOrder: what happens when you try to load it with protection paused?
#4129 [19:25] <fragtastic69> is it hard coded in the launcher?
#4130 [19:26] <xales> yes
#4131 [19:26] <xales> you can make it a symlink thoufh
#4132 [19:26] <xales> though*
#4133 [19:26] <xales> and that should work
#4134 [19:26] <NewDroidOrder> same thing that has been happening as before
#4135 [19:26] <xales> NewDroidOrder: can you describe it to me again? I wasn't here when you first explained it
#4136 [19:26] <fragtastic69> because im trying to get it to launch and store data in the working directory
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#4138 [19:27] <DopeGhoti> so I just emailed the abuse department of the company maintining the server at that IP address, GreyVulpine. We'll see if anything comes of this.
#4139 [19:27] <NewDroidOrder> i go to load up the free classic version. the app flashes to the black minecraft screen, then it goes white and stays white
#4140 [19:27] <xales> fragtastic69: there isn't a way to make it run in the current working directory, unless you use a script that recreates the symlink before launching it
#4141 [19:28] <xales> NewDroidOrder: are you using Internet Explorer?
#4142 [19:28] <NewDroidOrder> chrom
#4143 [19:28] <NewDroidOrder> chrome*
#4144 [19:28] <xales> when you first tried to run it, did it ask you about confirming the program?
#4145 [19:28] <aetherian> huh wha who hilighted me
#4146 [19:28] <NewDroidOrder> i dont believe so
#4147 [19:29] <aetherian> oh. gey.
#4148 [19:29] <NewDroidOrder> im sorry but i have to be off to work right now, ill be back later tonight or possibly tomrrow. thanks for the help so far guys.
#4149 [19:29] <NewDroidOrder> lol im already going to be late
#4150 [19:29] <xales> ok, no problem.
#4151 [19:29] <fragtastic69> im trying to get it to launch and install to any directory...windows was easy lol
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#4153 [19:30] <xales> fragtastic69: When you say 'install' do you mean download the jar files for the game?
#4154 [19:30] <fragtastic69> yes
#4155 [19:30] <xales> why would you want them anywhere else? =/
#4156 [19:31] <xales> if you can explain why you are trying to do it, I may be able to come up with something better than redownloading it into several directories
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#4158 [19:31] <fragtastic69> to be able have more than one 'install' at a time
#4159 [19:32] <fragtastic69> mostly because some servers do not like to update
#4160 [19:32] <fragtastic69> and i want to use 1.2
#4161 [19:32] <xales> oh, there is actually a pretty simple way to do that
#4162 [19:32] <fragtastic69> with out having to swap files out
#4163 [19:33] <fragtastic69> windows i used a batch file with "set APPDATA=%CD%/appdata %CD%/appdata/minecraft.exe
#4164 [19:33] <fragtastic69> im not sure about linux so much
#4165 [19:33] <OODavo> fragtastic69: Linux uses ~/.minecraft by default.
#4166 [19:33] <xales> yeah, thats kind of a hack on windows. that will actually break some programs
#4167 [19:33] <GreyVulpine> Set a symlink from ~/.minecraft to wherever you want it
#4168 [19:33] <OODavo> You can't change the location of the home directory, though.
#4169 [19:33] <DopeGhoti> s/some/a lot/
#4170 [19:34] <xales> just write a script to toggle the destination of a symlink
#4171 [19:34] <OODavo> GreyVulpine: But if ~/.minecraft exists already that won't work.
#4172 [19:34] <xales> OODavo: you can just move it
#4173 [19:34] <xales> :)
#4174 [19:34] <OODavo> xales: True.
#4175 [19:34] <OODavo> If .minecraft is a dir move it to ._minecraft and make a symlink to it at .minecraft?
#4176 [19:34] <OODavo> Should work.
#4177 [19:35] <fragtastic69> hmm ill try that
#4178 [19:35] <xales> mv ~/.minecraft ~/oldminecraft && ln -s /destination ~/minecraft
#4179 [19:35] <xales> :D
#4180 [19:35] <fragtastic69> ive just been trying to set temporary $HOME variables
#4181 [19:35] <OODavo> xales: Keep the . on the new name.
#4182 [19:35] <OODavo> Or it won't be hidden.
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#4184 [19:35] <DopeGhoti> xales: might want to wrap that in if [ -d ~/.minecraft ]; then stuff; fi
#4185 [19:35] <xales> Was intended to be one line, not a script
#4186 [19:36] <Aha> if i have a short question about a server mod you won't answer me?
#4187 [19:36] <xales> Aha: depends on the question
#4188 [19:36] <Aha> i just want to know if hmod is still working
#4189 [19:36] <xales> just ask :)
#4190 [19:36] <xales> nope
#4191 [19:36] <xales> its not
#4192 [19:36] <DopeGhoti> xales: that was one line :p
#4193 [19:36] <xales> and probably won't be
#4194 [19:36] <Aha> is there a simillar mod?
#4195 [19:37] <DopeGhoti> Aha: no.
#4196 [19:37] <GreyVulpine> hmod might get some unofficial updates. but there are no current mods which work right now
#4197 [19:37] <xales> DopeGhoti: if I am typing it myself, I think I can check the existance of the directory myself
#4198 [19:37] <GreyVulpine> Bukkit is still in development
#4199 [19:37] <DopeGhoti> xales: yeah, but.. effort.
#4200 [19:38] <Aha> so at the moment there're no servers with the home and sethome thing and with these lift up signs?o.o
#4201 [19:38] <GreyVulpine> No
#4202 [19:38] <OODavo> I thought /home was core?
#4203 [19:38] <ziggo0> *was
#4204 [19:38] <GreyVulpine> it was taken out
#4205 [19:38] <DopeGhoti> there are such servers, but they will not be compatible with current clients.
#4206 [19:38] <OODavo> Oh.
#4207 [19:38] <GreyVulpine> replaced by /kill
#4208 [19:38] <Aha> woooooow okay xD
#4209 [19:38] <xales> DopeGhoti: 'ls ~/.minecraft' is less typing than an if statement
#4210 [19:38] <OODavo> I thought it got put back in recently, though.
#4211 [19:38] <GreyVulpine> It didn't
#4212 [19:39] <OODavo> Fair enough.
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#4214 [19:39] <spiked> So
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#4216 [19:39] <DopeGhoti> xales: yes, but that'll show you its contents if it's a directory or a symlink, then you have to remember to ls -ld ~/.minecraft and parse the attibutes.
#4217 [19:39] <Aha> okay so thank you very much for your help :)
#4218 [19:39] <spiked> Is there any way to look at a master map for where I am at
#4219 [19:39] <OODavo> But in fragtastic69's script it should use if -d rather than ls. I think.
#4220 [19:39] <spiked> I'm lost
#4221 [19:39] <GreyVulpine> Not without modding your client spiked.
#4222 [19:39] <spiked> Lame!
#4223 [19:39] <DopeGhoti> if [ -d /path/to/a/thing ]; checks for whether thing is a directory as opposed to symlink
#4224 [19:40] <xales> DopeGhoti: if its a directory or symlink, you see contents. if not, you see ~/.minecraft
#4225 [19:40] <spiked> I don't want to do that
#4226 [19:40] <xales> so same result :)
#4227 [19:40] <spiked> thanks!
#4228 [19:40] <GreyVulpine> Then no spiked.
#4229 [19:40] <GreyVulpine> SOrry.
#4230 [19:40] <fragtastic69> im using this to grab current directory
#4231 [19:40] <fragtastic69> DIR=$(cd $(dirname "$0"); pwd)
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#4233 [19:40] <Kane_Hart> so im suppose to ask for help :P
#4234 [19:40] <Kane_Hart> Hey guys looking for people support on reporting these bugs. Very common if you play a big server there is a glitch that gets triggered a lot and causes the server to crash since 1.1 beta. If you guys could vote for it to get fixed that be wonderful. http://getsatisfaction.com/mojang/topics/_severe_unexpected_exception_smp_vanilla_java_lang_arrayindexoutofboundsexception_1
#4235 [19:40] <DopeGhoti> if [ -h /path/to/thing ]; then echo thing is a link; fi
#4236 [19:41] <DopeGhoti> Kane_Hart: define 'big server'. My map's gotten somewhat large and I've not seen such behaviour once
#4237 [19:41] * DopeGhoti knocks on wood
#4237 [19:41] <GreyVulpine> I have yet to witness that as well
#4238 [19:42] <fragtastic69> thats gotta be a pretty big server, been on one that was over 5000x5000
#4239 [19:42] <Kane_Hart> Big server means just more chance to trigger it
#4240 [19:42] <Kane_Hart> it has something to do with enitys causing a negative value or something
#4241 [19:42] <Kane_Hart> it was fixed before for 1.1 by someone but we don't know who or where lol
#4242 [19:43] <Kane_Hart> and of course its back in 1.2
#4243 [19:43] <GreyVulpine> Well, "The company has acknowledged this problem."
#4244 [19:43] <DopeGhoti> in fact, my server has only crashed once.
#4245 [19:43] <fragtastic69> ah well that makes sense now
#4246 [19:43] <xales> Kane_Hart: I haven't seen it either. Does it have a full error report including stack trace? If it does, I can make sure someone sees it
#4247 [19:43] <Aha> oh i have annother question is there a difference between the linux server software and the windows server software?
#4248 [19:43] <DopeGhoti> and that was because I redardedly ran BiomeExtractor without first running save-off
#4249 [19:43] <xales> Aha: Yes. The Linux one will run better.
#4250 [19:43] <Valium> aha, no
#4251 [19:43] <Valium> waaiittt....
#4252 [19:43] <DopeGhoti> Aha: the only difference is that the Windows server is an exe-wrapped jar, and the other OSs just get the .jar
#4253 [19:44] <Valium> th jar itself should be the same
#4254 [19:44] <ziggo0> My windows server runs with 6gb of RAM, I threw it on my crap linux box for fun, gave it 512mb of ram and the players couldnt tell the difference
#4255 [19:44] <Kane_Hart> xales nothing but that error. if there is something I can do to get full report I will try
#4256 [19:44] <Aha> so i can run my server on my windows pc without any problems
#4257 [19:44] <xales> Yeah, Windows is for the most part a joke for hosting servers
#4258 [19:44] <DopeGhoti> other than that you'll be running Windows, yes.
#4259 [19:45] <xales> Aha: depends on your PC
#4260 [19:45] <DopeGhoti> This is a problem many people deal with all day.
#4261 [19:45] <Aha> i think my pc is good enough
#4262 [19:45] <xales> if you meet the requirements, than yeah, it will work. The requirements are higher to run it on Windows than on Linux
#4263 [19:45] <Aha> okay so i think i won't have problems^^
#4264 [19:45] <Aha> thank you :)
#4265 [19:45] <Kane_Hart> Mines a i7 2.9ghz with 16gigs of ram we place or world on a 6gig ramdrive
#4266 [19:45] <ziggo0> xales: if you recall my problem last night with SSH login taking forever, the problem was internal network DNS lookup that was timing out
#4267 [19:46] <Kane_Hart> our*
#4268 [19:46] <xales> Kane_Hart: you experienced the crash yourself?
#4269 [19:47] <DopeGhoti> oh yeah well mine's an i9 0.5THz with 2PB or RAM and we store our world on quantum-entangled storage!
#4270 [19:47] <Kane_Hart> that crash happens to much.. Like it happens hmmm 3-4 times a day on my big test server
#4271 [19:47] <Kane_Hart> we usally have 50+ on the test server
#4272 [19:47] <xales> Kane_Hart: When it crashes, what exactly does it say?
#4273 [19:47] <xales> just the nullpointer exception?
#4274 [19:47] <Kane_Hart> think stream
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#4276 [19:48] <xales> what?
#4277 [19:48] <Kane_Hart> server does not full out crash too command console works and im happy cuz I can still shut it down and save without rollbacks
#4278 [19:48] <Kane_Hart> xales you a programmer or know java?
#4279 [19:49] <premal> Is it just me or does one mostly end up on beaches with no mountains nearby ever time a new level is started?
#4280 [19:49] <GreyVulpine> That's how it goes premal.
#4281 [19:49] <DopeGhoti> it's just you.
#4282 [19:49] <GreyVulpine> you usually end up right on the beach near water
#4283 [19:49] <xales> Kane_Hart: I'm a programmer, and I know Java, but I hate it
#4284 [19:49] <ziggo0> Kane_Hart: have you tried running without any java options?
#4285 [19:49] <Kane_Hart> xales I do have a compiled class file to show you the working and the none working one. You could compare them but not much help if you don't know what your doing
#4286 [19:49] <xales> anyway, I'll make sure someone gets a look at that
#4287 [19:49] <Aha> oh...a third question...^^ i heard that you have to use the mcpatcher if you want to create your own texture pack because because otherwise minecraft won't patch is it right?
#4288 [19:49] <Kane_Hart> ziggo0 yes and vanilla
#4289 [19:49] <premal> GreyVulpine: I can't find any coal, since there are no large mountains anywhere it seems
#4290 [19:49] <GreyVulpine> Aha - That's not right
#4291 [19:50] <xales> Aha: Not any more. You only need it for large textures
#4292 [19:50] <Aha> okay thank you the third time :P
#4293 [19:50] <xales> premal: did you try digging into the ground to find it?
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#4296 [19:51] <Kane_Hart> with the fixed class file for 1.1 I can run my server with 20-50 peak for weeks without crash
#4297 [19:51] <xales> Kane_Hart: Obfuscated code doesn't mean much to me, sadly
#4298 [19:51] <premal> xales: I'm used to coal appearing on the outside of mountains back from the alpha :/ tried digging a bit, but it's much, much harder to find coal that way, compared to just looking around for a large mountain
#4299 [19:51] <xales> premal: you can just use charcoal too
#4300 [19:52] <GreyVulpine> I've had no problems finding an exposed coal vein in recent versions
#4301 [19:52] <xales> All you need it some stone and some wood
#4302 [19:52] <premal> xales: for torches?
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#4304 [19:52] <premal> ah
#4305 [19:52] <premal> like that
#4306 [19:52] <premal> making my own charcoal
#4307 [19:52] <premal> hrm
#4308 [19:52] * DopeGhoti checks something
#4308 [19:53] <xales> yeah, you can use charcoal just like normal coal
#4309 [19:53] <OODavo> Charcoal is just coal with a different ID, essentially.
#4310 [19:53] <fragtastic69> well simlinking didnt work
#4311 [19:54] <OODavo> fragtastic69: It should have.
#4312 [19:54] <OODavo> Show us exactly how you did it.
#4313 [19:54] <fragtastic69> DIR=$(cd $(dirname "$0"); pwd)sudo ln -d "$DIR/appdata" ~/minecraft java -jar $DIR/Minecraft.jar
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#4315 [19:54] <fragtastic69> DIR=$(cd $(dirname "$0"); pwd)
#4316 [19:54] <DopeGhoti> okay, so I just started a new world, and I started about four steps from a cliff face with exposed coal on the first world I generated.
#4317 [19:54] <xales> that was a hard link
#4318 [19:54] <xales> not a sym link
#4319 [19:55] <fragtastic69> i tried -s also
#4320 [19:55] <Aha> oh and another question(omg i'm annoying xD) is it now possible to go into the hell world(on a server)
#4321 [19:55] <xales> hard link = bad idea, also using hard link with sudo to put it in the user folder = bad idea
#4322 [19:55] <DopeGhoti> Aha: no, it's not.
#4323 [19:55] <xales> Aha: The server can EITHER be hell world or normal, you can't change it without making a new world
#4324 [19:55] <GreyVulpine> Not at the same time. You can either have it set to the overworld, or the nether
#4325 [19:55] <GreyVulpine> But not both
#4326 [19:55] <Aha> oh...okay
#4327 [19:55] <Aha> thank you
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#4330 [19:56] <xales> fragtastic69: You have to delete it before you can make it a symlink. Also, don't use sudo for that. Also, -s not -d
#4331 [19:56] <OODavo> Hardlinks aren't always a bad idea, but in this case we definitely want a symlink.
#4332 [19:56] <fragtastic69> ok deleted ~/.minecraft
#4333 [19:56] <fragtastic69> FML
#4334 [19:56] <fragtastic69> sudo ln -s "$DIR/appdata" ~/minecraft
#4335 [19:57] <Kane_Hart> hey how do I decompile a .class file?
#4336 [19:57] <fragtastic69> >> ~/minecraft
#4337 [19:57] <fragtastic69> should have put ~/.minecraft
#4338 [19:57] <xales> Kane_Hart: A: illegal. B: obfuscated
#4339 [19:57] <fragtastic69> google for java decompiler
#4340 [19:57] <fragtastic69> not here
#4341 [19:57] <xales> well, A only sort of applies
#4342 [19:58] <xales> fragtastic69: it should be 'ln -s "$DIR/appdata" ~/.minecraft'
#4343 [19:58] <xales> no sudo
#4344 [19:58] <xales> and no >> after it
#4345 [19:58] <fragtastic69> yah i realized that
#4346 [19:58] <fragtastic69> and i know no >>
#4347 [19:58] <fragtastic69> i copypasted what you wrote
#4348 [19:58] <fragtastic69> it didnt have the . and i didnt notice
#4349 [19:58] <Kane_Hart> xales illegal to some not to notch >.<
#4350 [19:59] <xales> Kane_Hart: Well, even if you decompile it, it won't make much sense
#4351 [19:59] <Kane_Hart> well what if I compare 2 files one being slightly changed?
#4352 [19:59] <xales> obfuscated code is not readable
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#4354 [19:59] <Kane_Hart> maybe I can find that change?
#4355 [19:59] <fragtastic69> good luck with that
#4356 [19:59] <xales> Kane_Hart: There will be differences, but they won't mean anything to you
#4357 [19:59] <Kane_Hart> ohh
#4358 [19:59] <Kane_Hart> so it would not even compile without rewriting it
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#4360 [20:00] <Kane_Hart> its a really small class file too :(
#4361 [20:00] <xales> it will look something like eg(ga.fae(faf.wer()))) and the new one will be tert(dgdfg.werwr(werw.wrwe(gdg.df())))
#4362 [20:00] <xales> or whatever
#4363 [20:00] <Kane_Hart> LOL
#4364 [20:00] <xales> and no, you won't be able to recompile it
#4365 [20:00] <xales> and yes, it DOES really look like that
#4366 [20:00] <DopeGhoti> actually
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#4368 [20:00] <DopeGhoti> you can recompile obfuscated code
#4369 [20:00] <DopeGhoti> as it's still valid
#4370 [20:00] <DopeGhoti> just incomprehensible
#4371 [20:00] <xales> DopeGhoti: Not if you start editing it without knowing what anything actually does
#4372 [20:00] <fork> did i hear obfuscated code chat
#4373 [20:00] <fork> PERL <3
#4374 [20:00] <Kane_Hart> lol
#4375 [20:01] <DopeGhoti> de.rp(derp);
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#4377 [20:01] <xales> Kane_Hart: join #risucraft and ask them if they can tell you what the code at ex.a(SourceFile:39) does
#4378 [20:01] <xales> on the server, of course
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#4380 [20:04] <Rait> "Internal exceptionL java.io.IOExceptionL Bad packet id 159"? Got while trying to join a server.
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#4382 [20:06] <DopeGhoti> Rait: what's your account name?
#4383 [20:06] <Rait> Raitoningu
#4384 [20:06] <DopeGhoti> !paid Raitoningu
#4385 [20:06] <xales> Rait: what server?
#4386 [20:06] <DopeGhoti> Is the server you're trying to connect to up-to-date?
#4387 [20:06] <DopeGhoti> !recent
#4388 [20:06] <Rait> mc.cakecraft.us
#4389 [20:07] <xales> Rait: try smp.shadow-craft.net
#4390 [20:07] <xales> I know that one works
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#4392 [20:07] <DopeGhoti> Rait: from their server page: The old server is still up running the same map we've always ran. But you need minecraft client version 1.1_02 to play there. We will upgrade that server as soon as hMod is updated.
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#4394 [20:09] <xales> DopeGhoti: so...never
#4395 [20:09] <xales> =/
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#4397 [20:10] <DopeGhoti> essentially.
#4398 [20:10] <Kane_Hart> xales there confusing me lol if I post both the 1.1 good and bad class and make a detailed thread on minecraft forums and link it might solve it
#4399 [20:10] <DopeGhoti> their server rules are hilariously badly written.
#4400 [20:10] <xales> Kane_Hart: Don't bother
#4401 [20:11] <xales> I'll ask jeb if I see him
#4402 [20:11] <xales> he is on pretty regularly, even on weekends sometime
#4403 [20:11] <Rait> Anyone know which a fun/good map is within the worlds for servers that came with the software.
#4404 [20:11] <Kane_Hart> well tbh I'm trying find the dude who fixed it in the first place. Knowing him he did it already also jeb replied to my twitter about it he said no time for this update hah
#4405 [20:11] <Kane_Hart> @KaneHart I didn't know about that problem. We don't have time for more changes for beta 1.2, so maybe next update
#4406 [20:12] <xales> Kane_Hart: He probably thought you wanted it fixed in the release that just happened
#4407 [20:12] <xales> I'll remind him of it though
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#4410 [20:15] <Mike_Dude> My big question! Do I have to start a new world to find the blue stones, or do I just go far out to where the blocks haven't been rendered yet?
#4411 [20:15] <xales> Just keep going
#4412 [20:16] <Mike_Dude> I did, been looking for an hour now, are they as rare as gold, or are they less frequent?
#4413 [20:17] <xales> They are supposedly as rare or more rare than diamond
#4414 [20:17] <xales> The level they start to spawn at is about the same as gold
#4415 [20:18] <Mike_Dude> that's insane, Notch must not like the color blue
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#4417 [20:21] <Cial> hmmmm
#4418 [20:23] <DopeGhoti> I don't know if this has made it here or not, but
#4419 [20:23] <DopeGhoti> how to make Minecraft cry: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RAjfNdZ0hw
#4420 [20:24] <Kane_Hart> xales ahh I wanted to share with my players anyways since I wasted weeks on this bug I thought I share it with them LOL http://godcraft.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=3598&p=20598#p20598
#4421 [20:24] <fragtastic69> lol
#4422 [20:24] <fork> rofl
#4423 [20:25] <fork> the eggs
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#4425 [20:28] <fragtastic69> by far the best vid ive seen
#4426 [20:29] <DopeGhoti> could have been improved by loading the dispensers with equal parts eggs and arrows
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#4428 [20:30] <verbalins> Ok, so it says that Java crashes after login before mojang screen.
#4429 [20:31] <verbalins> Pretty annoying.
#4430 [20:31] <xales> Is there an error?
#4431 [20:31] <verbalins> Yeah, APPCRASH javaw.exe nvoglv64.dll is the error module.
#4432 [20:32] <verbalins> Sorry, translating it from the os-language.
#4433 [20:32] <verbalins> Not sure if it's the correct translation.
#4434 [20:32] <xales> can you pastebin the entire thing?
#4435 [20:32] <verbalins> My java works on the web though.
#4436 [20:33] <verbalins> http://pastebin.com/xzY8U6Xa It's in swedish though.
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#4438 [20:34] <xales> Are you using Windows XP or Vista/7?
#4439 [20:35] <fragtastic69> finally, irc wouldnt let me change the server
#4440 [20:35] <verbalins> 7. Hmmm, it started now when I deleted all the old data and let it redownload.
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#4442 [20:35] <verbalins> But it crashed after main menu.
#4443 [20:35] <xales> verbalins: Do you mean the login window or the actual menu?
#4444 [20:35] <verbalins> Actual menu. Seems to start every time now.
#4445 [20:36] <verbalins> Scratch that.
#4446 [20:36] <Chen> What's the usual fix if someone is getting a disconnect.endOfStream whenever she connects to your server?
#4447 [20:36] <xales> Chen: does everyone get it, or just the one person?
#4448 [20:36] <xales> also, Beta/Survival server, right?
#4449 [20:36] <Chen> I don't know yet
#4450 [20:37] <Chen> My two friends and I can connect
#4451 [20:37] <Chen> at the same time
#4452 [20:37] <xales> Then its likely an issue on the person recieving the error's end
#4453 [20:37] <Chen> Hm
#4454 [20:37] <xales> Nothing you can do about it, if you have them come on I can try to find out what the issue is
#4455 [20:38] <xales> But its pretty likely not related to your server specifically
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#4457 [20:39] <fragtastic69> xales: any more info on this symlinking
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#4459 [20:39] <xales> fragtastic69: does it still not work?
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#4461 [20:39] <fragtastic69> nope
#4462 [20:39] <xales> Try doing each command, one line by one line, at the prompt, rather than a script
#4463 [20:39] <fragtastic69> ok
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#4465 [20:42] <fragtastic69> not working
#4466 [20:43] <xales> do any of them give you an error?
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#4468 [20:43] <fragtastic69> nope
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#4470 [20:44] <fragtastic69> desktop:/home/mitch/Downloads$ ln -s /home/mitch/Downloads ~/.minecraft
#4471 [20:44] <fragtastic69> no error
#4472 [20:44] <xales> run this
#4473 [20:44] <xales> ls -la ~ | grep minecraft
#4474 [20:45] <fragtastic69> ls: cannon access : No such file or directory
#4475 [20:45] <fragtastic69> cannot*
#4476 [20:46] <xales> did you type the ~ key?
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#4478 [20:46] <fragtastic69> i copy pasted
#4479 [20:46] <xales> try this
#4480 [20:46] <xales> ls -la ~
#4481 [20:46] <kinetic1028> Hello.
#4482 [20:46] <xales> Hello
#4483 [20:46] <fragtastic69> same error
#4484 [20:47] <kinetic1028> Is Minecraft crashing for anyone else?
#4485 [20:47] <xales> fragtastic69: what distro of Linux is it?
#4486 [20:47] <fragtastic69> ls -la ~/
#4487 [20:47] <fragtastic69> works
#4488 [20:47] <xales> kinetic1028: do you get an error?
#4489 [20:47] <fragtastic69> ubuntu i386 10.4
#4490 [20:47] <kinetic1028> Yes, I do.
#4491 [20:47] <xales> kinetic1028: Paste it on pastebin.com
#4492 [20:47] <xales> fragtastic69: hmm, well, ok then. try this now
#4493 [20:47] <xales> ls -la ~/ | grep minecraft
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#4495 [20:48] <fragtastic69> ok that works
#4496 [20:48] <fragtastic69> .minecraft -> /home/mitch/Downloads/appdata
#4497 [20:48] <kinetic1028> Okay, here it is: http://pastebin.com/f7t4Q9Sd
#4498 [20:49] <OODavo> fragtastic69: I haven't really being paying attention, but shouldn't that be appdata/.minecraft ?
#4499 [20:50] <xales> OODavo: Linux, so its whatever he wants it to be. Its's irrelevant
#4500 [20:50] <fragtastic69> im assuming no since its appdata==.minecraft
#4501 [20:50] <xales> fragtastic69: what command do you run after setting the symlink?
#4502 [20:50] <OODavo> xales: I know it's Linux. :|
#4503 [20:50] <fragtastic69> ln -s $DIR ~/.minecraft
#4504 [20:50] <xales> kinetic1028: Are you playing from the .exe or in browser?
#4505 [20:50] <OODavo> It's just that it'd be better to call the .minecraft folder something related to Minecraft.
#4506 [20:50] <fragtastic69> #java -jar $DIR/Minecraft.jar
#4507 [20:50] <fragtastic69> without the #
#4508 [20:51] <xales> fragtastic69: replace the java -jar (comment it out and add above it) echo $DIR
#4509 [20:51] <fragtastic69> already did that
#4510 [20:51] <xales> kinetic1028: Are you there?
#4511 [20:51] <xales> fragtastic69: what did it give you?
#4512 [20:51] <kinetic1028> Sorry, yes
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#4514 [20:52] <kinetic1028> I tried it in both the browser and from the .exe
#4515 [20:52] <kinetic1028> But that error is from the browser
#4516 [20:52] <fragtastic69> mitch@mitch-desktop:/home/mitch/Downloads$ '/home/mitch/Downloads/test.sh'
#4517 [20:52] <fragtastic69> /home/mitch/Downloads
#4518 [20:52] <xales> fragtastic69: What happens when you try to run it?
#4519 [20:53] <xales> kinetic1028: Try this
#4520 [20:53] <xales> !reinstall
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#4522 [20:53] <fragtastic69> when i run it it just goes back to ~/.minecraft
#4523 [20:53] <fragtastic69> instead of the new folder
#4524 [20:53] <DopeGhoti> fragtastic69: Minecraft will always go to ~/.minecraft
#4525 [20:54] <DopeGhoti> fragtastic69: that's why you're copying that elsewhere and putting a link in its place
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#4527 [20:54] <DopeGhoti> so that (presumably) you can keep several different versions handy
#4528 [20:54] <fragtastic69> thats what im doing
#4529 [20:54] <xales> DopeGhoti: the symlink is valid, it looks like
#4530 [20:55] <xales> fragtastic69: try 'ls ~/.minecraft/'
#4531 [20:55] * DopeGhoti shrugs, resumes watching, and gets back to work
#4531 [20:55] <fragtastic69> it give Downloads
#4532 [20:56] <xales> fragtastic69: You linked it to the Downloads folder. Is that where you want to link it to?
#4533 [20:56] <fragtastic69> with a symlink shouldnt it be writing to the Downloads folder instead
#4534 [20:56] <fragtastic69> yah
#4535 [20:56] <fragtastic69> the script i have changes the symlink each time its run
#4536 [20:56] <xales> Chen: Any idea if that person wants to come on to see if the problem can be fixed?
#4537 [20:56] <xales> fragtastic69: Is it writing to the downloads folder?
#4538 [20:56] <fragtastic69> nope
#4539 [20:56] <fragtastic69> but it did write one file at one point
#4540 [20:57] <xales> Does it redownload it when you run it?
#4541 [20:57] <fragtastic69> .pulse_cookie
#4542 [20:57] <Chen> xales: Her connection is being silly in addition to not letting her on, so I guess she won't be
#4543 [20:57] <xales> fragtastic69: that isn't a Minecraft file, to my knowledge
#4544 [20:57] <fragtastic69> it does redownload
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#4546 [20:57] <fragtastic69> but it goes to the actual ~/.minecraft
#4547 [20:58] <kinetic1028> I'm having trouble getting to my appdata folder.
#4548 [20:58] <OODavo> The actual .minecraft is a symlink.
#4549 [20:58] <fragtastic69> and no files in the downloads folder
#4550 [20:58] <OODavo> It should BE the downloads folder.
#4551 [20:58] <xales> fragtastic69: ~/.minecraft doesn't actually exist, its just a link to the downloads folder
#4552 [20:58] <kekeoki> Hey, my port is forwarded and server is up but when i try to connect it says connection timed out: connect
#4553 [20:58] <xales> kekeoki: Do you have a firewall running?
#4554 [20:58] <OODavo> kekeoki: What IP are you using?
#4555 [20:58] <kekeoki> 5.219.113.0 and no firewall
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#4557 [20:59] <OODavo> Are you giving the port when you connect with the client?
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#4559 [20:59] <kekeoki> nope and im using default
#4560 [20:59] <xales> kekeoki: try connecting with 127.0.0.1
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#4562 [20:59] <GreyVulpine> Wait.. 5.219?
#4563 [20:59] <GreyVulpine> Hamachi?
#4564 [20:59] <OODavo> If you're on the server directly.
#4565 [20:59] <ziggo0`> That looks like a hamachi ip
#4566 [20:59] <kekeoki> im using hamachi it works for when i connect to my friend but not when i connect to me
#4567 [20:59] <OODavo> Sounds like Hamachi.
#4568 [20:59] <OODavo> Definitely.
#4569 [20:59] <kekeoki> yeah
#4570 [20:59] <fragtastic69> lol dont use hamachi to connect to your self
#4571 [21:00] <kekeoki> it works when i connect to my friends hamachi server
#4572 [21:00] <kekeoki> and we play together
#4573 [21:00] <OODavo> Can you ping the same IP?
#4574 [21:00] <kekeoki> but not the other way around
#4575 [21:00] <fragtastic69> if you want to connect to your self use your local ip from the network
#4576 [21:00] <OODavo> Yeah, use your local IP if you're on the same LAN.
#4577 [21:00] <fragtastic69> should be something like 192.168.1.XX
#4578 [21:00] <kekeoki> im trying to get it setup for him to play on mine
#4579 [21:01] <kekeoki> 127.0.0.1 said failed to connect
#4580 [21:01] <OODavo> kekeoki: Is the server running on the same system you're trying to connect with?
#4581 [21:01] <kekeoki> yeah
#4582 [21:01] <fragtastic69> and 127.0.0.1 wont work
#4583 [21:01] <OODavo> Just checking.
#4584 [21:01] <OODavo> Which port was it?
#4585 [21:01] <xales> kekeoki: if 127.0.0.1 doesn't work, then it isn't working
#4586 [21:01] <xales> or rather, the server isn't running or not properly configured
#4587 [21:02] <TampaPowers> Does the default server include a god mode for ops?
#4588 [21:02] <kekeoki> 25565
#4589 [21:02] <GreyVulpine> TampaPowers - No
#4590 [21:02] <TampaPowers> grr dang
#4591 [21:02] <OODavo> kekeoki: So you're typing 127.0.0.1:25565 right?
#4592 [21:02] <kekeoki> yeah
#4593 [21:02] <TampaPowers> do you know of any non hmod ones?
#4594 [21:02] <OODavo> Hmm.
#4595 [21:02] <OODavo> Are you sure the server's even running?
#4596 [21:02] <GreyVulpine> TampaPowers - There currently are no compatible mods out for beta right now
#4597 [21:02] <OODavo> Do you have the server window up?
#4598 [21:03] <kekeoki> yeah
#4599 [21:03] <kekeoki> [INFO] Preparing spawn area: 97% [INFO] Done! For help, type "help" or "?"
#4600 [21:03] <fragtastic69> xales: shouldnt the symlink make it write files in the directory it is liked to
#4601 [21:03] <OODavo> That looks right.
#4602 [21:03] <OODavo> HMm.
#4603 [21:03] <TampaPowers> have to code myself again than thx anyways
#4604 [21:03] <OODavo> Do you have the latest server version?
#4605 [21:03] <kekeoki> yeah just dled it an hour ago
#4606 [21:03] <GreyVulpine> Windows firewall is off, correct?
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#4608 [21:03] <kekeoki> yes it its
#4609 [21:03] <kekeoki> is*
#4610 [21:04] <xales> fragtastic69: yes, it should be. Does it actually have permission to write?
#4611 [21:04] <OODavo> If you're on localhost, which you are, it should just work.
#4612 [21:04] <OODavo> Hang on.
#4613 [21:04] <kinetic1028> Okay, reinstalling worked!
#4614 [21:04] <OODavo> What's the "server-ip=" set to in server.properties?
#4615 [21:04] <kinetic1028> Thanks xales :]
#4616 [21:04] <kekeoki> server ip is set to the ip i linked earlier
#4617 [21:05] <OODavo> kekeoki: Make it blank.
#4618 [21:05] <fragtastic69> yes it does
#4619 [21:05] <OODavo> Just "server-ip="
#4620 [21:05] <kekeoki> kk
#4621 [21:05] <OODavo> Then try connecting with 127.0.0.1:25565 again.
#4622 [21:05] <OODavo> Might need to restart server first.
#4623 [21:05] * GreyVulpine nods
#4623 [21:05] <GreyVulpine> And you don't need :255565 if it hasn't been changed from default, by the way.
#4624 [21:05] <GreyVulpine> er, :25565
#4625 [21:05] <OODavo> GreyVulpine: Oh, is that default?
#4626 [21:05] <OODavo> Fair enough.
#4627 [21:05] * GreyVulpine nods
#4627 [21:06] <GreyVulpine> Less typing is always better.
#4628 [21:06] <TampaPowers> id use a port thats easier to remember like: 6666 or 6000
#4629 [21:06] <OODavo> TampaPowers: Or default.
#4630 [21:06] <GreyVulpine> Default is good.
#4631 [21:06] <OODavo> Since then there's no need to remember it anywa.
#4632 [21:06] <kekeoki> i did
#4633 [21:07] <GreyVulpine> 6666 could be used in an IRC connection
#4634 [21:07] <kekeoki> client crashed
#4635 [21:07] <OODavo> s/a\./ay./
#4636 [21:07] <TampaPowers> i cant remember the default one tho xD
#4637 [21:07] <OODavo> kekeoki: :O
#4638 [21:07] <kekeoki> disconnected for generic reason
#4639 [21:07] <kekeoki> and then crash
#4640 [21:07] <fragtastic69> xales: its a problem with the ln
#4641 [21:07] <OODavo> Using any mods?
#4642 [21:07] <Chen> Tempted to change mine; I used that port to torrent so now my server's getting random pings..
#4643 [21:07] <kekeoki> nope
#4644 [21:07] <xales> fragtastic69: No, the link is valid.
#4645 [21:07] <OODavo> Try doing it again.
#4646 [21:07] <OODavo> Might be a one time issue.
#4647 [21:07] <fragtastic69> i right clicked Downloads and clicked make link
#4648 [21:07] <Chen> since my ip is on a button of trackers
#4649 [21:07] <fragtastic69> renamed it .minecraft
#4650 [21:07] <Chen> it seems
#4651 [21:07] <fragtastic69> and now it writes to downloads
#4652 [21:08] <OODavo> Make Link gives symlinks, right?
#4653 [21:08] <OODavo> 'cause that's weird.
#4654 [21:08] <fragtastic69> yah
#4655 [21:08] <fragtastic69> if your running it try it
#4656 [21:08] <fragtastic69> running ubuntu*
#4657 [21:08] <DopeGhoti> Chen: Having experimented with this when I was working at an ISP, I can tell you from experience that as soon as you put a machine on an IP address, you _will_ start getting probes on ports 80,22,21,6666,6667,143, and 443
#4658 [21:08] <OODavo> I'm still on Win7. :(
#4659 [21:09] <fragtastic69> win7 is so much easier with having multiple minecraft folders
#4660 [21:09] <OODavo> fragtastic69: But so much less awesome.
#4661 [21:09] <fragtastic69> true
#4662 [21:09] <xales> fragtastic69: actually, the way you did it will break a very large number of other programs.
#4663 [21:09] <Chen> No, like, my server console is getting a ton of "Disconnecting /<some IP>:<some random port>: protocol error
#4664 [21:09] <DopeGhoti> OODavo: Even though windows 6.1 apparently has some form of symlinks now, I'm loathe to start trusting new "features" in MS filesystems.
#4665 [21:09] <xales> Chen: That would be a ping
#4666 [21:09] <OODavo> Yeah, it has symlinks. And junctions.
#4667 [21:09] <fragtastic69> break on win or linux?
#4668 [21:09] <Chen> Blah.
#4669 [21:09] <kekeoki> tried again
#4670 [21:09] <kekeoki> disconnected
#4671 [21:10] <Chen> Could that prevent clients from conecting?
#4672 [21:10] <OODavo> kekeoki: Perhaps it's a client error.
#4673 [21:10] <TampaPowers> Has anyone got a hint where i may find cheap windows vps?
#4674 [21:10] <OODavo> Are you using download or browser?
#4675 [21:10] <DopeGhoti> Finally free! ciao, folks
#4676 [21:10] <xales> TampaPowers: Such things do not exist. Also, using windows for a server = bad idea.
#4677 [21:10] <OODavo> s/for a server//
#4678 [21:10] <xales> kekeoki: what is your username you log in with?
#4679 [21:10] <OODavo> Fixed.
#4680 [21:11] <xales> OODavo: :P
#4681 [21:11] <fragtastic69> xales: what system would it break for?
#4682 [21:11] <TampaPowers> windows vps do exsist
#4683 [21:11] <ziggo0`> Not for a reasonable price, even then, they suck compared to the alternitives
#4684 [21:11] <xales> fragtastic69: Well, your Appdata folder is being moved all the time, so stuff will no longer work (many, many things store stuff in there)
#4685 [21:11] <xales> TampaPowers: and yeah, you pay much more, get much less
#4686 [21:11] <OODavo> Isn't it just changing appdata for the one process?
#4687 [21:11] <OODavo> Or doesn't that work in Windows?
#4688 [21:12] <fragtastic69> xales: the appdata was only changed for one program
#4689 [21:12] <ziggo0`> Look for a 1gb ~ 2gb xen based VPS, learn linux a lil bit and you'll be much happier
#4690 [21:12] <TampaPowers> swvps.com offers windows and linux ones the windows ones are 3dollars more per month
#4691 [21:12] <xales> fragtastic69: you sure?
#4692 [21:12] <TampaPowers> i pay 220€ yearly for one i dont find that alot
#4693 [21:12] <fragtastic69> xales: yeah i have lots of programs that write to appdata like pidgin and it isnt writing to the new folder i linked
#4694 [21:12] <xales> fragtastic69: on Linux?
#4695 [21:13] <OODavo> On Linux you didn't change appdata.
#4696 [21:13] <fragtastic69> xales: windows
#4697 [21:13] <TampaPowers> why do all say i should run linux, i cant execute a .exe on linux
#4698 [21:13] <xales> OODavo: Linux doesn't have one
#4699 [21:13] <fragtastic69> TampaPowers: download WINE
#4700 [21:13] <xales> TampaPowers: Why would you want to?
#4701 [21:13] <TampaPowers> because its easier
#4702 [21:14] <xales> Also, 95% of servers run a form of Linux, just sayin
#4703 [21:14] <fragtastic69> strangely i got better performance from WoW on linux through wine than on windows...
#4704 [21:14] <xales> TampaPowers: Its actually not easier. Take the time to learn to do it properly >.>
#4705 [21:14] <OODavo> xales: Yeah, it just has . directories under ~.
#4706 [21:14] <xales> fragtastic69: Not surprisingly, actually
#4707 [21:14] <OODavo> And .rc files and stuff.
#4708 [21:15] <OODavo> How's Wine's compability going, anyway?
#4709 [21:15] <OODavo> Last time I ran Linux exclusively it didn't behave very well.
#4710 [21:15] <xales> OODavo: Its pretty good, it mostly depends on what you are trying to run on it though
#4711 [21:15] <fragtastic69> wine is fairly good
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#4713 [21:16] <OODavo> Lots of DX11 games? :|
#4714 [21:16] <fragtastic69> i could always use wine and run the .exe on linux and a batch file changing APPDATA
#4715 [21:16] <ziggo0`> Dual boot would suite games better
#4716 [21:16] <OODavo> fragtastic69: That's... so stupid.
#4717 [21:16] <OODavo> Don't do it.
#4718 [21:16] <fragtastic69> but then again whats the point of using linux
#4719 [21:16] <OODavo> fragtastic69: Everything.
#4720 [21:17] <fragtastic69> i mean if i were to do that
#4721 [21:17] <OODavo> ziggo0`: But if I dual-boot I always end up just using the one OS anyway because rebooting is too much effort.
#4722 [21:17] <fragtastic69> because i specifically installed ubuntu to run minecraft
#4723 [21:17] <TampaPowers> where do i find the button text for the server pause menu its not in the .lang file ?
#4724 [21:17] <xales> TampaPowers: pause menu?
#4725 [21:18] <fragtastic69> lol
#4726 [21:18] <xales> on the server?
#4727 [21:18] <OODavo> The server doesn't pause.
#4728 [21:18] <OODavo> Ever.
#4729 [21:18] <TampaPowers> when you hit esc
#4730 [21:18] <OODavo> It works on relentlessly, never stopping, never ceasing, never doing another synonym for stopping.
#4731 [21:18] <TampaPowers> you can selet continue and disconnect
#4732 [21:18] <OODavo> That's the client pause menu.
#4733 [21:18] <OODavo> It's not on the server at all.
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#4735 [21:19] <TampaPowers> the normal smp one has changed since i edited the .lang
#4736 [21:19] <TampaPowers> but when running in smp its still the same
#4737 [21:19] <TampaPowers> i wanna change it
#4738 [21:19] <xales> It doesn't retrieve that from the server
#4739 [21:19] <xales> Also, client modifications of any kind are not supported here, sorry
#4740 [21:20] <fragtastic69> xales: any idea why ln -s $DIR ~/.minecraft isnt working
#4741 [21:20] <xales> fragtastic69: Thats just the thing, it looked like it did work. Try running this
#4742 [21:20] <xales> echo 'test' >> ~/.minecraft/test
#4743 [21:20] <xales> ls ~/Downloads | grep test
#4744 [21:21] <fragtastic69> no such file or directory
#4745 [21:21] <fragtastic69> wth
#4746 [21:21] <fragtastic69> ls: cannot access /Downloads: No such file or directory
#4747 [21:21] <xales> no, not /
#4748 [21:21] <xales> ~/
#4749 [21:22] <OODavo> The ~ is very important.
#4750 [21:22] <fragtastic69> i did it exactly as you put it
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#4752 [21:22] <xales> fragtastic69: Well, clearly not.
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#4754 [21:22] <OODavo> Are you in ~ right now?
#4755 [21:22] <fragtastic69> i copy pasted
#4756 [21:22] <fragtastic69> now it works
#4757 [21:23] <xales> what did it print out?
#4758 [21:23] <fragtastic69> it says test.sh
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#4760 [21:23] <fragtastic69> i closed terminal and reopened it
#4761 [21:24] <crackspider> hello?
#4762 [21:24] <xales> crackspider: hello
#4763 [21:24] <xales> fragtastic69: uhh, then the symlink is wrong
#4764 [21:24] <OODavo> crackspider: Salutations.
#4765 [21:24] <xales> fragtastic69: do this again
#4766 [21:24] <xales> ls -la ~/ | grep minecraft
#4767 [21:24] <crackspider> oh this 1 works i tried the first irc but had to register and seemd a bit too much effort
#4768 [21:24] <fragtastic69> it doesnt give any output
#4769 [21:25] <crackspider> i seem to have touble buying the game
#4770 [21:25] <crackspider> *trouble
#4771 [21:25] <xales> fragtastic69: then the ~/.minecraft doesn't exist
#4772 [21:25] <xales> crackspider: whats the problem?
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#4774 [21:25] <crackspider> i try the first way fill it all in
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#4776 [21:26] <xales> does it give you an error when you do that?
#4777 [21:26] <crackspider> gives an effor about to many something or others
#4778 [21:27] <OODavo> crackspider: Paste the error into this chat.
#4779 [21:27] <crackspider> Payment Processing Error
#4780 [21:27] <crackspider> Please try again or contact customer service
#4781 [21:27] <crackspider> Error message: Too many concurrent sessions. Please try again later.
#4782 [21:27] <OODavo> Too many people are trying to buy the game, I think.
#4783 [21:27] <OODavo> It must be awesome or something.
#4784 [21:27] <xales> OODavo: no, thats not it
#4785 [21:28] <OODavo> xales: Oh.
#4786 [21:28] <xales> crackspider: are you trying to use a prepaid card?
#4787 [21:28] <OODavo> crackspider: Just ignore me. I'm useless.
#4788 [21:28] <crackspider> pre payed?
#4789 [21:28] <OODavo> crackspider: How are you paying?
#4790 [21:28] <crackspider> Pay directly using you credit card:
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#4792 [21:29] <xales> crackspider: Try using paypal
#4793 [21:29] <crackspider> i tried that the day of the beta
#4794 [21:29] <crackspider> correction day before beta
#4795 [21:30] <goofankle> let me know when you have a second to help me
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#4797 [21:30] <OODavo> goofankle: What's the issue?
#4798 [21:30] <xales> ^
#4799 [21:30] <xales> crackspider: do you get an error using paypal?
#4800 [21:30] <crackspider> nope it just didnt do anything
#4801 [21:30] <goofankle> i get an error while trying to join games. i tried to install a minimap addon and dont know how to correct it
#4802 [21:30] <crackspider> go so far then it just didnt load
#4803 [21:30] <OODavo> goofankle: The addon is a client mod, correct?
#4804 [21:31] <goofankle> i believe so
#4805 [21:31] <goofankle> zans minimap
#4806 [21:31] <OODavo> We're not supposed to support those, but.
#4807 [21:31] <xales> goofankle: what error do you get?
#4808 [21:31] <xales> OODavo: We can help reinstall :P
#4809 [21:31] <goofankle> do you want me to paste it all n here?
#4810 [21:31] <OODavo> Pastebin it.
#4811 [21:31] <xales> goofankle: no, pastebin.com
#4812 [21:31] <goofankle> haha ok
#4813 [21:31] <xales> crackspider: Can you try using a different card?
#4814 [21:32] <crackspider> id rather not
#4815 [21:32] <crackspider> ill try pay pall again
#4816 [21:32] <crackspider> do i need an account with them?
#4817 [21:32] <xales> nope
#4818 [21:32] <goofankle> http://pastebin.com/3tLb81VJ
#4819 [21:32] <xales> OODavo: 21:28:17 < offender> help does any high population public server allow griefing?
#4820 [21:32] <xales> ._.
#4821 [21:33] <OODavo> xales: What the frell.
#4822 [21:33] <xales> OODavo: I love people like that
#4823 [21:33] <xales> goofankle: Yeah, I think you probably just tried to use a mod that didn't support the latest version
#4824 [21:33] <OODavo> Oh, food. xales, you need to do all the helping.
#4825 [21:33] <xales> !reinstall
#4826 [21:33] <goofankle> i think youre right :)
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#4828 [21:34] <CyrilKeir> Hello there-
#4829 [21:34] <xales> ello again
#4830 [21:34] <CyrilKeir> Had an error with minecraft.
#4831 [21:34] <CyrilKeir> Shall I copy-pasta?
#4832 [21:34] <xales> Nope - paste it on pastebin.com
#4833 [21:34] <CyrilKeir> Ok
#4834 [21:35] <CyrilKeir> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=pWkUc4pN
#4835 [21:35] <xales> Yeah, thats a known issue
#4836 [21:35] <xales> Simple fix-
#4837 [21:35] <xales> !reinstal
#4838 [21:35] <xales> !reinstall
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#4840 [21:35] <CyrilKeir> Ok, thanks.
#4841 [21:36] <goofankle> alright, i cant seem to find the path it tells me to locate
#4842 [21:36] <fragtastic69> xales: i got it working
#4843 [21:36] <fragtastic69> manually creating the symlink works perfect
#4844 [21:37] <fragtastic69> i guess its a problem with the script and the variables
#4845 [21:38] <goofankle> any ideas?
#4846 [21:38] <fragtastic69> ill have to sort out whats wrong with the script
#4847 [21:38] <goofankle> err
#4848 [21:38] <fragtastic69> xales: thanks for the help
#4849 [21:38] <goofankle> nvm
#4850 [21:38] <CyrilKeir> Works now, thanks xales
#4851 [21:38] <xales> goofankle: did you get it?
#4852 [21:38] <xales> CyrilKeir: no problem
#4853 [21:38] <xales> fragtastic69: cool, glad you got it to work
#4854 [21:38] <goofankle> no
#4855 [21:38] <goofankle> i cant find the files
#4856 [21:38] <fragtastic69> xales: thin notch doesn't like scripts that let you move minecraft?
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#4858 [21:39] <xales> fragtastic69: what?
#4859 [21:40] <xales> goofankle: are you using XP or Vista/7?
#4860 [21:40] <goofankle> 7
#4861 [21:41] <fragtastic69> xales: i feel it would be good for the community to have the info to install minecraft where they want it. im just curious what notches stance on the subject would be
#4862 [21:41] <fragtastic69> or at least what you think it could be
#4863 [21:42] <xales> fragtastic69: Oh, he won't care
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#4865 [21:42] <crackspider> hmm seems to be the card that paypall doesnt like
#4866 [21:42] <xales> goofankle: open the start menu and put %appdata% in the search bar, and hit enter
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#4868 [21:43] <fragtastic69> xales: awesome ill post a write up of all the info on the forum then
#4869 [21:43] <goofankle> weird, its in a folder called roaming
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#4871 [21:44] <xales> goofankle: Yeah, thats normal. Microsoft can't decide if they want it one way or the other, and it changes a bit
#4872 [21:45] <goofankle> alright, im going to continue following those steps and i'll let you know what happens
#4873 [21:46] <xales> Ok
#4874 [21:46] <OODavo> Okay, back now. Who needs some HELPING?
#4875 [21:46] <xales> OODavo: Hi. I have a cracked version of minecraftz how duz i pleh onlin3
#4876 [21:46] <xales> :P
#4877 [21:47] <OODavo> xales: You buy Minecraft!
#4878 [21:47] <OODavo> Did I do it right?
#4879 [21:47] <lemon-rev> i dont but good point before is there a way to save minecraft files in a different directory other from c
#4880 [21:47] <OODavo> Actually, now I think about it, Windows does have symlinking.
#4881 [21:47] <Diablothein> 'lo Reverend
#4882 [21:47] <OODavo> One could symlink %APPDATA%/.minecraft to anywhere they like.
#4883 [21:48] <goofankle> so uh is minecraft offline?
#4884 [21:48] <goofankle> it doesn't let me login
#4885 [21:48] <OODavo> No, it's online.
#4886 [21:48] <lemon-rev> check if you can goto www.minecraft.net
#4887 [21:48] <OODavo> Ping says so, anyway.
#4888 [21:49] <goofankle> well wtf i cant log in
#4889 [21:49] <xales> goofankle: What error does it give you?
#4890 [21:49] <goofankle> login failed
#4891 [21:50] <xales> If its login failed, then the username/password is invalid
#4892 [21:50] <OODavo> Have you changed pass recently or something?
#4893 [21:50] <goofankle> nope
#4894 [21:50] <OODavo> Hmm.
#4895 [21:50] <fragtastic69> 00Davo: "symlinking" on windows is temporary and only works for that process
#4896 [21:51] <goofankle> well now it worked
#4897 [21:51] <OODavo> fragtastic69: Junction?
#4898 [21:51] <goofankle> i dont get it
#4899 [21:51] <OODavo> goofankle: Ah, good.
#4900 [21:51] <xales> goofankle: you may have just typed your username of password wrong
#4901 [21:51] <OODavo> Temporary database error, maybe.
#4902 [21:51] <OODavo> Or just a typo, yeah.
#4903 [21:51] <OODavo> fragtastic69: I'm sure there's a permanent symlinkesque thing one can use.
#4904 [21:52] <fragtastic69> 00Davo: yeah thats in the system settings menu in the control panel
#4905 [21:52] <OODavo> fragtastic69: In terminal one can use a junction command or something like that.
#4906 [21:53] <fragtastic69> 00Davo: set APPDATA=%CD%\appdata %CD%/exe/minecraft.exe
#4907 [21:53] <fragtastic69> 00Davo: thats all thats needed on windowss
#4908 [21:53] <OODavo> fragtastic69: Well, yes.
#4909 [21:53] <OODavo> But that needs one to run MC with a script every time.
#4910 [21:54] <fragtastic69> its the same as running an exe essentially
#4911 [21:54] <OODavo> True.
#4912 [21:54] <OODavo> Fair enough.
#4913 [21:54] <fragtastic69> its like a shortcut
#4914 [21:55] <goofankle> ya you guys are so awesome
#4915 [21:55] <goofankle> thanks for you help
#4916 [21:55] <goofankle> your*
#4917 [21:55] <goofankle> way more helpful than the forums
#4918 [21:55] <OODavo> You're welcome. :)
#4919 [21:56] <goofankle> i'll see you guys later
#4920 [21:56] <goofankle> thanks again
#4921 [21:56] <fragtastic69> and if someone wants to run minecraft like normal all they need to do is run the exe and it goes to default appdata
#4922 [21:56] <fragtastic69> only problem is with linux
#4923 [21:56] <fragtastic69> it leaves the symlink
#4924 [21:57] <OODavo> Unless you don't want it to and make the script accordingly.
#4925 [21:57] <OODavo> ;)
#4926 [21:58] <fragtastic69> yah but symlinks are not working in my .sh for some reason
#4927 [21:58] <fragtastic69> they work fine if i type it manually
#4928 [21:58] <OODavo> You've probably coded it wrongly.
#4929 [21:58] <OODavo> Somehow.
#4930 [21:58] <fragtastic69> i think it could be the way it gets the current directory
#4931 [21:58] <OODavo> What's the shebang, by the way? bash?
#4932 [21:59] <fragtastic69> bash
#4933 [21:59] <OODavo> How does it get it?
#4934 [22:00] <fragtastic69> #DIR="$( cd "$( dirname "$0" )" && pwd )"
#4935 [22:00] <fragtastic69> actually not that one
#4936 [22:00] <fragtastic69> DIR=$(cd $(dirname "$0"); pwd)
#4937 [22:00] <fragtastic69> i had two different ones
#4938 [22:00] <OODavo> That looks fine from here. Although I speak bash rather poorly.
#4939 [22:00] <fragtastic69> i wish bash had %CD%
#4940 [22:01] <OODavo> When you echo $DIR do you get the right one?
#4941 [22:01] <fragtastic69> yeah
#4942 [22:01] <OODavo> fragtastic69: It has pwd?
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#4944 [22:01] <OODavo> But then when you USE $DIR you get a different one?
#4945 [22:01] <OODavo> That makes no sense.
#4946 [22:01] <fragtastic69> yup
#4947 [22:02] <fragtastic69> echo $DIR
#4948 [22:02] <OODavo> What does the echo return, exactly?
#4949 [22:02] <fragtastic69> /home/mitch/Desktop/Minecraft
#4950 [22:02] <fragtastic69> ^^
#4951 [22:02] <OODavo> That looks right. :|
#4952 [22:02] <xales> I know the problem, lol
#4953 [22:02] <xales> What is the first line in the file?
#4954 [22:02] <OODavo> xales: Tell us! :O
#4955 [22:02] <fragtastic69> DIR=$(cd $(dirname "$0"); pwd)
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#4957 [22:02] <fragtastic69> first line
#4958 [22:02] <OODavo> Where's your shebang?
#4959 [22:02] <Darktouch> Is anyone here?
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#4961 [22:02] <OODavo> Darktouch: No.
#4962 [22:02] <xales> Darktouch: Nope
#4963 [22:03] <fragtastic69> what?
#4964 [22:03] <xales> fragtastic69: you forgot the shebang
#4965 [22:03] <Darktouch> I need some important info on the game
#4966 [22:03] <OODavo> Put this at the top.
#4967 [22:03] <fragtastic69> -_____-
#4968 [22:03] <xales> first line needs to be #!/bin/bash
#4969 [22:03] <OODavo> #!/bin/bash
#4970 [22:03] <Darktouch> is it a one time buy? or a monthly payment?
#4971 [22:03] <fragtastic69> FML
#4972 [22:03] <OODavo> Darktouch: One time.
#4973 [22:03] <xales> Darktouch: You buy it once, and you get all future versions up to and including the release
#4974 [22:03] <OODavo> I wouldn't have bought it otherwise.
#4975 [22:03] <Darktouch> ok thanks
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#4977 [22:04] <fragtastic69> i added it and its still not working
#4978 [22:04] <fragtastic69> it added a symlink to its self
#4979 [22:04] <Darktouch> And its 100% saf?
#4980 [22:04] <OODavo> Darktouch: saf?
#4981 [22:04] <Darktouch> Safe
#4982 [22:04] <xales> Darktouch: Yup, one million sales and a place on the best-selling game of all time list is a testament to that
#4983 [22:05] <OODavo> Oh, yes. Definitely safe.
#4984 [22:05] <Darktouch> Ok, i dont want to buy something that could be a fraud. You know?
#4985 [22:05] <xales> And if you are really that concerned, just use Paypal. They don't see any information about you, and it takes a few seconds to reverse the charge online
#4986 [22:05] <OODavo> Darktouch: It's not a fraud. :P
#4987 [22:06] <OODavo> Zillions of Kotaku posts attest to that.
#4988 [22:06] <OODavo> Unless they're all fabricated.
#4989 [22:06] <ftw> I've had probably 100 hours of gameplay in various worlds, single and multiplayer, and run my own server for months, Darktouch.
#4990 [22:06] <ftw> Best money I've spent on a game ever, by far.
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#4992 [22:06] <xales> He left
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#4994 [22:06] <Flanneko> can someone help me with a client problem?
#4995 [22:07] <ftw> rats.
#4996 [22:07] <OODavo> ftw: Best, and only, 9.95 euros I've spent.
#4997 [22:07] <OODavo> Flanneko: Yes.
#4998 [22:07] <OODavo> What is it?
#4999 [22:07] <Chen> It's free Legos.
#5000 [22:07] <Chen> Well, er.
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#5002 [22:07] <ftw> I paid more than that on iPhone games I never play
#5003 [22:07] <xales> Flanneko: What is the issue?
#5004 [22:07] <Chen> Unlimited Legos.
#5005 [22:07] <Flanneko> When I start it up, I can log on and the updater runs, but then it just crashes.. and its a java crash.. The browser works fine but.. I'd like to use the client
#5006 [22:07] <fragtastic69> its better than legos
#5007 [22:07] <OODavo> Flanneko: Which OS?
#5008 [22:07] <Flanneko> XP
#5009 [22:08] <drew_> hey guys, I have a question regarding the update
#5010 [22:08] <OODavo> Hmm. Might need to reinstall JRE?
#5011 [22:08] <xales> drew_: what is the question?
#5012 [22:08] <JNZ> drew_: Then ask it.
#5013 [22:08] <OODavo> drew_: What is it?
#5014 [22:08] <Flanneko> Uninstalled java and reinstalled already
#5015 [22:08] <xales> Flanneko: What error? put it on pastebin.com
#5016 [22:08] <drew_> my server can't update just yet, is there any way for me to get the 1.1_02 Mac files?
#5017 [22:09] <OODavo> drew_: There aren't old version archives any more, so no.
#5018 [22:09] <drew_> crap, I didn't think so. I guess I'll just have to dig around online. Thanks guys
#5019 [22:09] <OODavo> Sorry!
#5020 [22:09] <xales> drew_: be careful of what you download
#5021 [22:09] <Flanneko> http://pastebin.com/Qk5LKzdi
#5022 [22:09] <xales> a lot of viruses mascarade as old versions of Minecraft
#5023 [22:09] <drew_> xales: always
#5024 [22:10] <drew_> will do, thanks
#5025 [22:10] <xales> Flanneko: And this is using the EXE, or browser?
#5026 [22:10] <OODavo> xales: Client.
#5027 [22:10] <OODavo> Browser works.
#5028 [22:10] <Flanneko> Client
#5029 [22:11] <OODavo> Have you tried just redownloading the client first?
#5030 [22:11] <Flanneko> Yeah
#5031 [22:11] <Flanneko> Using both of the dl links
#5032 [22:11] <xales> Flanneko: Do you have any antivirus software running?
#5033 [22:11] <Flanneko> Tried even deleting the minecraft files and redownloading and still get that
#5034 [22:11] <Flanneko> Avast
#5035 [22:11] <Valium> Flanneko: I'm getting the same, but ONLY on the machine I just downloaded MC on
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#5037 [22:13] <xales> Flanneko: Do you have the latest graphics card drivers installed?
#5038 [22:13] <Flanneko> That I know of
#5039 [22:13] <Flanneko> And minecraft used to work fine with the client
#5040 [22:13] <xales> Double check
#5041 [22:13] <xales> When did it stop working?
#5042 [22:13] <Flanneko> I hadn't played since.. before beta
#5043 [22:14] <Flanneko> Last time I played was after the uh.. fence update I think..
#5044 [22:15] <fragtastic69> xales / 00Davo: I have the multiple minecraft 'installs' working on linux thanks for both of your help
#5045 [22:15] <OODavo> The error's in Java and not in Minecraft. Which is crazy.
#5046 [22:15] <OODavo> fragtastic69: ^_^
#5047 [22:15] <xales> Well, from the error report, it looks like you are using up all your RAM
#5048 [22:15] <xales> And its going into swappyville, where nothing actually works properly
#5049 [22:15] <OODavo> Yeah, it's an access violation.
#5050 [22:15] <Flanneko> Well.. the browser works fine.. which I don't understand..
#5051 [22:16] <fragtastic69> it was making a strange little .minecraft with no picture and a folder and i deleted both and changed the scrip
#5052 [22:16] <xales> Flanneko: And you are using the .exe client, not .jar right?
#5053 [22:16] <Flanneko> Yeah
#5054 [22:16] <Flanneko> I can log in and stuff normally but.. after the update screen it just crashes
#5055 [22:17] <OODavo> How much memory do you have?
#5056 [22:17] <Flanneko> RAM or HDD space?
#5057 [22:17] <OODavo> RAM
#5058 [22:18] <Flanneko> 786 MB
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#5060 [22:18] <OODavo> :O
#5061 [22:18] <Flanneko> But like I said, the browser one works fine... and thats with running the exact same things
#5062 [22:18] <DopeGhoti> that'd do it
#5063 [22:18] <OODavo> That is really, really low.
#5064 [22:18] <andResin> Hi, somebody can Help me how to make a DIspenser Trap?
#5065 [22:18] <andResin> i just got a problem!
#5066 [22:18] <andResin> ):
#5067 [22:18] <Flanneko> Yeah, old old computer
#5068 [22:18] <DopeGhoti> andResin: I can try.
#5069 [22:18] <andResin> Hey!
#5070 [22:19] <andResin> The problem is when I connect the redstone
#5071 [22:19] <OODavo> Flanneko: I think the browser plugin may be optimised differently.
#5072 [22:19] <Flanneko> Oh
#5073 [22:19] <andResin> isnt enought to the 2nd floor of my house
#5074 [22:19] <Flanneko> Well the thing is.. I got it to work the other day
#5075 [22:19] <xales> Flanneko: Just to clarify, you are playing Beta in the browser, right? Not Classic?
#5076 [22:19] <Flanneko> By getting java to start up with the browser, then running the client
#5077 [22:19] <xales> andResin: so get more redstone?
#5078 [22:19] <andResin> and I need to put redstone torch but when I put redstone torch It doesn't work
#5079 [22:19] <Flanneko> And yeah, I'm running beta
#5080 [22:19] <andResin> the redstone is complete
#5081 [22:20] <Flanneko> It didn't work this time though
#5082 [22:20] <andResin> but when I activate the trap it dont works
#5083 [22:20] <trekkie1701c> http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y246/trekkie1701c/terrain.png <- Anyone think they can ID this texturepack for me?
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#5086 [22:20] <andResin> the cord dont get red
#5087 [22:20] <xales> andResin: Did you connect it properly?
#5088 [22:20] <OODavo> You might need repeaters, andResin.
#5089 [22:21] <Chen> Arrows shot through lava become flaming arrows, right?
#5090 [22:21] <Chen> Like, if a sheet of falling lava was in the path of an arrow, it becomes a flaming arrow?
#5091 [22:21] <DopeGhoti> Chen: anything shot though Lava becomes a puff of smoke and hissing sound.
#5092 [22:21] <Chen> Damn.
#5093 [22:21] <andResin> what is a repeater OODavo?
#5094 [22:21] <andResin> yes, xales its right connected
#5095 [22:21] <andResin> connected right*
#5096 [22:21] <xales> andResin: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=minecraft+repeater
#5097 [22:21] <DopeGhoti> andResin: _____[]/______[]/
#5098 [22:21] <OODavo> andResin: Redstone has a maximum range.
#5099 [22:22] <OODavo> You need to use redstone torches to extend it.
#5100 [22:22] <DopeGhoti> andResin: _ == up to 15 RS wires; [] == block, / == RS torch in the block
#5101 [22:22] <OODavo> The link from xales says how.
#5102 [22:22] <OODavo> Or DopeGhoti's pretty ASCII works too.
#5103 [22:22] <andResin> Oh
#5104 [22:22] <andResin> let me try that
#5105 [22:23] <DopeGhoti> andResin: without a repeater signal will only pass along 15 meters of RS wire. Think of it as attenuation.
#5106 [22:23] <Kane_Hart> Hey looking for any server guru is that the right term? looking to buy a new dedicated server and wanted to know if this looks reasonable http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=138307
#5107 [22:24] <DopeGhoti> Kane_Hart: somewhat overkill for a MC server IMO
#5108 [22:24] <andResin> repeater is the redstone torch right?
#5109 [22:24] <DopeGhoti> andResin: technically, it's the pair of them
#5110 [22:24] <DopeGhoti> andResin: just one would be an inverter.
#5111 [22:25] <Flanneko> Ah.. No clue whats wrong?
#5112 [22:25] <ziggo0> You listed them in order of most performance to not.
#5113 [22:25] <ziggo0> If disk I/O is a problem, go with at least the raid10 setup
#5114 [22:26] <xales> Flanneko: No idea, sorry =/
#5115 [22:26] <andResin> Oh
#5116 [22:26] <xales> Flanneko: I'm thinking its just an issue related to the hardware
#5117 [22:26] <andResin> I put a R. Torch Above a cobblestone bock
#5118 [22:26] <andResin> block
#5119 [22:26] <andResin> and the wire is off
#5120 [22:26] <andResin> just a 1/3 of the wire is on
#5121 [22:26] <Kane_Hart> DopeGhoti its not that overkill ;) http://godcraft.com/x/90onlinelol.png
#5122 [22:27] <ziggo0> Kane_Hart: clock for clock, SB is about 10 ~ 15% faster, and you stated your current server is at 2.9ghz, so it would help if you were having issues.
#5123 [22:27] <Flanneko> Well I don't get it.. it used to run fine on this same computer
#5124 [22:27] <DopeGhoti> Kane_Hart: fairy nuff.
#5125 [22:27] <xales> Flanneko: a lot of stuff has changed since then
#5126 [22:27] <lemon-rev> dopeghoti wtf, thats godzillion people
#5127 [22:27] <andResin> hey D:
#5128 [22:27] <Kane_Hart> ziggo0. I'm paying $300 for what that $200 server is also benchmarks shown like mine at like 6000 and the new one hitting 10000
#5129 [22:28] <xales> andResin: look on http://minecraftwiki.net/
#5130 [22:28] <ziggo0> I'd believe it
#5131 [22:31] <andResin> im uploading a paint pic
#5132 [22:31] <andResin> of the problem
#5133 [22:31] <andResin> lol
#5134 [22:32] <andResin> http://img607.imageshack.us/i/sinttuloppd.png/
#5135 [22:32] <andResin> its a bit similar
#5136 [22:32] <xales> andResin: What is the picture for, exactly?
#5137 [22:33] <andResin> cobble stone with torchs
#5138 [22:33] <andResin> and the wire
#5139 [22:33] <xales> And what am I supposed to do with the picture, exactly? :/
#5140 [22:33] <andResin> find the problem :/
#5141 [22:33] <andResin> what is wrong? :/
#5142 [22:33] <andResin> just the first torch is of
#5143 [22:33] <andResin> off
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#5147 [22:35] <andResin> any fix?
#5148 [22:35] <andResin> or what is wrong
#5149 [22:35] <andResin> D:
#5150 [22:36] <xales> I can't really tell, from the picture
#5151 [22:36] <xales> why don't you just take a screenshot of the game?
#5152 [22:36] <andResin> oh,
#5153 [22:36] <andResin> sure
#5154 [22:43] <andResin> any good hosting for images?
#5155 [22:43] <xales> imgur?
#5156 [22:43] <andResin> thanks
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#5158 [22:44] <Phayze> !check 99.120.169.185
#5159 [22:44] <andResin> http://imgur.com/07A1E&sEZUc&DMQ6D
#5160 [22:46] <Phayze> hey someone want to help me? i am gettin some kind of error
#5161 [22:46] <Kane_Hart> xales she crashed again haha
#5162 [22:46] <andResin> xales, here u go: http://imgur.com/07A1E&sEZUc&DMQ6D
#5163 [22:47] <Phayze> xales isnt in the channel
#5164 [22:47] <xales> sorry, andResin, one second
#5165 [22:47] <andResin> sure, np
#5166 [22:47] <Phayze> o.o
#5167 [22:47] <Phayze> you are
#5168 [22:47] <xales> and yes, I am. :P
#5169 [22:47] <Phayze> ./gets behind andresin for help
#5170 [22:47] <xales> andResin: Which part isn't working?
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#5172 [22:49] <Phayze> gr that is annoying
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#5174 [22:50] <andResin> just the first image
#5175 [22:50] <andResin> is working
#5176 [22:50] <andResin> the rest if off
#5177 [22:50] <andResin> down the stairs is off
#5178 [22:50] <xales> andResin: Why did you give me the first image then?
#5179 [22:50] <andResin> wut
#5180 [22:51] <andResin> i dont send u the album?
#5181 [22:51] <xales> you sent me one picture
#5182 [22:51] <andResin> you can see the first, second, and third image
#5183 [22:51] <xales> oh, never mind. The torch goes on the side of the block, not the top
#5184 [22:53] <andResin> Oh,
#5185 [22:54] <Phayze> xales you ready for me>?
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#5187 [22:54] <xales> Phayze: you needed something?
#5188 [22:54] <Phayze> look at this error
#5189 [22:54] <Phayze> http://www.flickr.com/photos/49598163@N02/5356301306/lightbox/
#5190 [22:55] <Phayze> just got one that said java.io.IOException: Bad packet id 136
#5191 [22:56] <xales> Phayze: Is that when you connect to the server?
#5192 [22:56] <Phayze> yeah
#5193 [22:56] <KillSpammer> I see you play HoN :)
#5194 [22:57] <Phayze> Yessir!
#5195 [22:57] <KillSpammer> I must get that game one day.
#5196 [22:57] <KillSpammer> Anyway
#5197 [22:57] <KillSpammer> Try reinstalling minecraft
#5198 [22:57] <xales> Phayze: try smp.shadow-craft.net
#5199 [22:57] <Phayze> its like what 20-30$?
#5200 [22:57] <xales> KillSpammer: Not yet :P
#5201 [22:57] <KillSpammer> :o
#5202 [22:57] <xales> Phayze: i think its just a protocol mismatch
#5203 [22:57] <xales> server not updated
#5204 [22:58] <Phayze> hmm
#5205 [22:58] <Phayze> how do i update it?
#5206 [22:58] <xales> is it your server?
#5207 [22:58] <Phayze> yeah
#5208 [22:58] <Phayze> running it on this comp
#5209 [22:58] <xales> just redownload the .exe or .jar and replace it
#5210 [22:58] <Phayze> k
#5211 [22:58] <andResin> hey
#5212 [22:59] <andResin> my dispenser still dont shoot
#5213 [22:59] <andResin> :/
#5214 [22:59] <KillSpammer> To bad...
#5215 [22:59] <Phayze> ah there we go
#5216 [22:59] <KillSpammer> Learn to use redstone :)
#5217 [22:59] <Phayze> thanks xales
#5218 [23:00] <gullah> Hey xales that solution just worked for me and my server thanks alot
#5219 [23:00] <andResin> kill..
#5220 [23:00] <andResin> what can be bad?
#5221 [23:00] <Phayze> xales you are a minecraft savior
#5222 [23:00] <andResin> can be wrong*
#5223 [23:00] <xales> :)
#5224 [23:00] <xales> glad its working for you
#5225 [23:02] <Phayze> can someone join my server and tell me if its laggy? i had a friend say it was yesterday
#5226 [23:03] <andResin> xales
#5227 [23:04] <andResin> can u download my map and tell me what is wrong?
#5228 [23:04] <andResin> :/
#5229 [23:04] <andResin> or somebody?
#5230 [23:04] <xales> Did you put the torches on the side of the blocks?
#5231 [23:04] <andResin> yes
#5232 [23:04] <andResin> not above
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#5234 [23:05] <andResin> somebody wanna download my map?
#5235 [23:06] <xales> do you have a link to it?
#5236 [23:06] <andResin> i can upload it
#5237 [23:07] <xales> What specifically is not working now?
#5238 [23:07] <andResin> i dont know
#5239 [23:07] <andResin> :S
#5240 [23:08] <xales> ...
#5241 [23:08] <xales> how do you not know what isn't working
#5242 [23:09] <andResin> i dont know if the wire isnt working or the switch
#5243 [23:09] <andResin> is wird
#5244 [23:09] <andResin> weird
#5245 [23:10] <xales> Does the wire light up?
#5246 [23:10] <andResin> yes
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#5249 [23:13] <xales> Does it go all the way to what it is supposed to go to?
#5250 [23:13] <xales> the light
#5251 [23:13] <andResin> im uploading the map
#5252 [23:17] <andResin> http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6PJXLSGA
#5253 [23:17] <andResin> thats the map
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#5255 [23:19] <andResin> any fix
#5256 [23:19] <andResin> or what is wrong?
#5257 [23:21] <Phayze> can someone join my server and tell me if its laggy? i had a friend say it was yesterday
#5258 [23:23] <andResin> xales, can u help me with that map
#5259 [23:24] <xales> I don't have minecrafton this computer
#5260 [23:24] <andResin> :/
#5261 [23:24] <Phayze> o.O
#5262 [23:24] <xales> What is not happening that is supposed to happen
#5263 [23:24] <andResin> somebody can help me?
#5264 [23:24] <andResin> i dont know
#5265 [23:24] <andResin> i never used the redstone before
#5266 [23:24] <Phayze> id help but im like you
#5267 [23:24] <Phayze> never used the stuff
#5268 [23:24] <Phayze> dont know much about it
#5269 [23:25] <xales> So you don't even know what you want it to do?
#5270 [23:25] <xales> How am I supposed to help you if you can't even tell me the problem
#5271 [23:26] <andResin> because i dont know which is the problem
#5272 [23:26] <andResin> somebody can play my map
#5273 [23:26] <andResin> and tell me which is wrong with my dispenser?
#5274 [23:26] <xales> What is it supposed to do
#5275 [23:26] <xales> What are you trying to make?
#5276 [23:26] <xales> ._.
#5277 [23:26] <andResin> a remote-switch
#5278 [23:27] <andResin> to fire the dispenser
#5279 [23:27] <xales> does the redstone light up that is connected to it?
#5280 [23:27] <Phayze> andresin
#5281 [23:27] <Phayze> im going to host the map on my server
#5282 [23:27] <andResin> i need to put a r. torch to the dispenser?
#5283 [23:28] <Phayze> and see if i can help
#5284 [23:28] <andResin> sure phayze
#5285 [23:28] <Phayze> hmm
#5286 [23:28] <Phayze> whats the cmd to access appdata on win7? you know xales?
#5287 [23:28] <xales> Phayze: start->run->%appdata%
#5288 [23:28] <andResin> go to
#5289 [23:28] <andResin> oh
#5290 [23:28] <Phayze> ah was missing last %
#5291 [23:29] <andResin> lol
#5292 [23:30] <Phayze> alright its up hold for ip
#5293 [23:30] <andResin> sure
#5294 [23:30] <Phayze> 99.120.169.185
#5295 [23:40] <aetherian> ima backa
#5296 [23:40] <GLaDOS> !down minecraft.net:80
#5297 [23:40] <xales> try !ping
#5298 [23:40] <aetherian> MC net is down?
#5299 [23:40] <xales> or !check rather
#5300 [23:40] <xales> !check minecraft.net:80
#5301 [23:40] <GLaDOS> ah
#5302 [23:40] <aetherian> yeah
#5303 [23:41] <GLaDOS> im used to a less intelligent bot
#5304 [23:41] <aetherian> good ping time with 32 bytes of data
#5305 [23:41] <aetherian> well changing accs
#5306 [23:41] <aetherian> brb
#5307 [23:42] <GreyVulpine> #MineCraft +M again?
#5308 [23:43] <xales> I unset and reset it, to see if the bots were automatic, as per GLaDOS request
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#5310 [23:44] <GLaDOS> and no, no
#5311 [23:44] <GLaDOS> they no automatic
#5312 [23:52] <NewDroidOrder> alright so im back. lol anyone here from about 5 hours ago?
#5313 [23:52] <xales> Yup
#5314 [23:52] <NewDroidOrder> would u happen to be one of the people that were trying to help me out
#5315 [23:52] <xales> Yup
#5316 [23:53] <andResin> somebody can help me with a dispenser trap?
#5317 [23:53] <andResin> join to that server: 99.120.169.185
#5318 [23:53] <NewDroidOrder> alright cool, cool
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#5320 [23:54] <aetherian> sure and
#5321 [23:54] <andResin> join please :)
#5322 [23:54] <carter> just downloaded a world and ran it on a server. i cant wreck any blocks how do i allow grief or whatever
#5323 [23:54] <carter> im pretty sure im logged in as administrator
#5324 [23:54] <carter> and smashing blocks was working fine until i deleted world folder and replaced it with the one i DLed
#5325 [23:54] <GreyVulpine> carter, move away from spawn
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#5327 [23:58] <NewDroidOrder> ok so whos down to try to help me fix this problem again
#5328 [23:58] <fork> im down to go party
#5329 [23:58] <NewDroidOrder> i would be too if i didnt have to work at 6am tomorrow
#5330 [23:59] <xales> NewDroidOrder: what was the issue again? =/
#5331 [23:59] <NewDroidOrder> hold on a second, phone call