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#5 [00:10] <Nate> hello
#6 [00:10] <xales> hello
#7 [00:11] <Nate> is it at all possible to open a private lan server for myself and my brother or do we need two game copies
#8 [00:11] <xales> you need two game copies
#9 [00:11] <Nate> cool thanks
#10 [00:12] <Lorax> two accounts as well
#11 [00:12] <xales> Lorax: How would you buy the game twice on one account? >.>
#12 [00:12] <Nate> heh
#13 [00:13] <Lorax> xales: you can copy the game as many times as you will, but notch will eventually add some stronger user control to protect the investment
#14 [00:13] <Lorax> so one account per player is still the rule
#15 [00:14] <xales> I know :)
#16 [00:14] <Lorax> I'm just being pedantic, because it is late.
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#27 [00:52] <ThePsion05> I'm currently having an issue with Minecraft - anyone available to help?
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#29 [00:52] <GreyVulpine> What issue?
#30 [00:53] <ThePsion05> While exploring an area of my world affected by a large forest fire (due to a lava lake), my game crashed (cont'd)
#31 [00:54] <ThePsion05> I reloaded and made my way away from the area at about 1FPS, but eventually the game crashed again. This time, when I reloaded, the FPS is still low but I can't move or perform any actions
#32 [00:54] <buddy1987> what program can I download to remove a certain filetype association in windows 7?
#33 [00:54] <GreyVulpine> buddy1987 - I don't know, google one
#34 [00:55] <ThePsion05> I can still look around, but movement commands and right or left-clicking doesn't work
#35 [00:55] <GreyVulpine> windows 7 doesn't have a native file association wizard/control panel
#36 [00:55] <GreyVulpine> ThePsion05 - Sounds like a corrupt chunk to me, without looking at the error log
#37 [00:57] <ThePsion05> Would posting the error log on pastebin help? Otherwise, how can I check for or fix a corrupt chunk error?
#38 [00:58] <GreyVulpine> Pasting it on pastebin might help. You may be able to delete a chunk using a map editor.
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#40 [01:00] <Dazuro> [WARNING] Failed to handle packet: java.lang.NullPointerException
#41 [01:00] <Dazuro> java.lang.NullPointerException
#42 [01:00] <Dazuro> followed by a bunch of [source file] things
#43 [01:00] <Dazuro> what's this all about
#44 [01:00] <Dazuro> :(
#45 [01:01] <Dazuro> It happened seemingly at random
#46 [01:01] <xales> Dazuro: pastebin please
#47 [01:01] <xales> DO NOT paste it in here
#48 [01:01] <OODavo> Dazuro: Are you playing on SMP?
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#50 [01:01] <Dazuro> oh for-- I even made sure to only do two lines this time
#51 [01:01] <xales> Dazuro: the two lines is fine
#52 [01:01] <xales> Dazuro: pastebin the whole thing :P
#53 [01:01] <GreyVulpine> When does this occur?
#54 [01:01] <Dazuro> Oh, I gotcha. sorry.
#55 [01:01] <Dazuro> not entirely sure what pastebin is, though
#56 [01:01] * Dazuro google
#56 [01:01] <GreyVulpine> www.pastebin.com
#57 [01:02] <OODavo> pastebin.com
#58 [01:02] <Dazuro> http://pastebin.com/QDSJYhx1 ... this work?
#59 [01:02] <GreyVulpine> Does indeed
#60 [01:02] <Dazuro> Okay, cool
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#62 [01:02] <GreyVulpine> When do you get this?
#63 [01:02] <Dazuro> Uhh, Im not sure, I found it in my server log
#64 [01:02] <Dazuro> i think it occured after an op teleported a player
#65 [01:02] <Dazuro> but there's no timestamp
#66 [01:03] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, does the server crash after this?
#67 [01:03] <Dazuro> Didn't appear
#68 [01:03] <Dazuro> to*
#69 [01:03] <Dazuro> But mystery error messages worry me
#70 [01:04] <GreyVulpine> Not running any mods, correct?
#71 [01:04] <Dazuro> one
#72 [01:04] <Dazuro> ...none*
#73 [01:04] <xales> Dazuro: you are running the latest version?
#74 [01:04] <Dazuro> updated yesterday
#75 [01:06] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, I can't really tell then. Something is pointing to a non-existant file, or point in memory.
#76 [01:07] <ThePsion05> GreyVulpint - I've got my error log posted at pastebin: http://pastebin.com/PQXcXTQ1
#77 [01:07] <ThePsion05> er, GreyVulpine*
#78 [01:07] <GreyVulpine> Whoa, okay.
#79 [01:07] <GreyVulpine> Interesting.. ntdll
#80 [01:08] <ThePsion05> Haha, it's never a good sign when someone says that when looking at an error log
#81 [01:08] <Rait> hey vulpine, what was the url you gave me to log into my own server?
#82 [01:08] <GreyVulpine> Rait - I'm sorry?
#83 [01:08] <GreyVulpine> You'll have to refresh my memory
#84 [01:09] <Rait> for getting into my classic server
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#86 [01:09] <GreyVulpine> Oh, for logging in locally?
#87 [01:09] <Rait> yeah
#88 [01:09] <xales> ThePsion05: That looks like a driver problem
#89 [01:09] <GreyVulpine> http://minecraft.net/play.jsp?ip=127.0.0.1&port=25565&override=true
#90 [01:09] <Rait> thanks.
#91 [01:10] <GreyVulpine> ThePsion05 - Most likely something to do with OpenAL. See if you can't update it from http://connect.creativelabs.com/openal/default.aspx
#92 [01:10] <GreyVulpine> Once you install it on windows, copy the OpenAL file from windows/system32 to %appdata%/.minecraft/bin
#93 [01:12] <Rait> Does anyone know if you can clear all the land in a classic server without mods?
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#95 [01:14] <TrueWolves> The very first sealab was done that way.
#96 [01:14] <TrueWolves> err
#97 [01:14] <TrueWolves> Seabuild
#98 [01:14] <Magician> Hi
#99 [01:14] <ThePsion05> Ah hah - this was causing issues before and I fixed it by removing the two OpenAL files from my minecraft/bin folder. It always caused the game to just crash whenever I turned on sound
#100 [01:14] <xales> hello, Magician
#101 [01:15] <Dazuro> well guys I do tend to back up and restore the World folder, could that be part of the pointer problem?
#102 [01:15] <Dazuro> i do it manually with C+P dunno if theres' abetter way
#103 [01:16] <Magician> So, I can't start minecraft.exe after installing the latest java update and/or after running a multiplayer server.
#104 [01:16] <xales> What happens when you try to start it?
#105 [01:16] <Magician> ntohing
#106 [01:16] <Magician> nothing*
#107 [01:16] <Magician> no errors
#108 [01:16] <xales> Dazuro: I doubt it
#109 [01:16] <xales> Magician: Windows, right?
#110 [01:17] <Magician> mhmm
#111 [01:17] <Magician> xp
#112 [01:17] <Magician> x84
#113 [01:17] <Magician> home edition
#114 [01:17] <xales> Do you have any antivirus programs installed?
#115 [01:17] <Magician> nope
#116 [01:17] <OODavo> Magician: There isn't an x84. Is it 32-bit or 64?
#117 [01:17] <Magician> 32
#118 [01:17] <xales> OODavo: I would assume he meant x86
#119 [01:17] <Magician> my bad
#120 [01:17] <OODavo> xales: Fair enough.
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#122 [01:18] <xales> Magician: Download this and do a 'quick scan' (if it finds anything though, don't remove it yet, depending on the name there could be other issues)http://www.malwarebytes.org/mbam-download.php
#123 [01:20] <ziggo0> <3 MBAM
#124 [01:20] <KillSpammer> Penumbra Overture is fun
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#126 [01:23] <ThePsion05> GreyVulpine - Reinstalled OpenAL and copied it to my minecraft/bin folder - no effect (also tested enabling and disabling sound)
#127 [01:23] <xales> ThePsion05: What kind of computer? Desktop, laptop?
#128 [01:23] <GreyVulpine> er wait.. Did I say /bin/ ?
#129 [01:23] <GreyVulpine> I meant /bin/natives/
#130 [01:24] <GreyVulpine> There should be a file to overwrite
#131 [01:24] <ThePsion05> brain fart on my part too, that's where I actually put it :)
#132 [01:24] <GreyVulpine> Heh, okay
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#134 [01:25] <GreyVulpine> Well, crap.
#135 [01:25] <xales> ThePsion05: Is it a laptop/desktop?
#136 [01:25] <ThePsion05> xales - mid-end laptop about 2 years old, dual core, 3 GB RAM
#137 [01:25] <xales> lol, ninja'd :P
#138 [01:26] <xales> ThePsion05: Do you know what soundcard is on it?
#139 [01:26] <ThePsion05> xales - not offhand, probably something low-end. Usually handles minecraft fairly well, didn't get this issue until I ran into that forest fire
#140 [01:27] <Phayze> hey what do you have to have to use the "3D Anagraph" function in the settings?
#141 [01:27] <xales> Phayze: 3D glasses (the old kind)
#142 [01:27] <GreyVulpine> Have a pair of red-cyan glasses
#143 [01:27] <Phayze> hmm
#144 [01:27] <Phayze> i really wish i had some
#145 [01:27] <Phayze> anyone try it?
#146 [01:27] <GreyVulpine> Wish I had one
#147 [01:27] <GreyVulpine> But no.
#148 [01:27] <Phayze> hmm
#149 [01:27] <xales> It doesn't work very well for most people, from what i've heard
#150 [01:27] <KillSpammer> I have
#151 [01:27] <ThePsion05> Phayze - I only know that they DON'T work with those lame Real3D(tm) glasses
#152 [01:27] <KillSpammer> Its not great
#153 [01:27] <xales> ThePsion05: Can you link the error again?
#154 [01:28] <ThePsion05> Sure xales: http://pastebin.com/PQXcXTQ1
#155 [01:28] <GreyVulpine> 3d glasses - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16800991111
#156 [01:28] <lemon-rev> naa last time i tried it works fab just looks like your sometimes holding double swords or something
#157 [01:28] <Phayze> thepsion05- you mean the current 3d glasses for like3d tv's?
#158 [01:28] <Phayze> i might buy some off like ebay or something
#159 [01:28] <lemon-rev> and really strange in the way things appear
#160 [01:28] <Phayze> for like 2 bucks
#161 [01:28] <Phayze> hmmm
#162 [01:28] <Phayze> im really curious though
#163 [01:28] <Phayze> grrr
#164 [01:28] <xales> GreyVulpine: newegg sells 3d glasses? wha...
#165 [01:28] * GreyVulpine nodnods
#165 [01:28] <Phayze> o.O
#166 [01:29] <Diablothein> someone hacked http://www.yahoo.com
#167 [01:29] <GreyVulpine> say what?
#168 [01:29] <Diablothein> go there.
#169 [01:29] <Phayze> wrong
#170 [01:29] <Phayze> yahoo is fine
#171 [01:29] <GreyVulpine> Looks fine to me
#172 [01:29] <Diablothein> Strange...
#173 [01:29] <Phayze> lol
#174 [01:29] <KillSpammer> QuestionOMG
#175 [01:29] <Phayze> refresh your page?
#176 [01:29] <xales> Diablothein: Screenshot
#177 [01:29] <KillSpammer> I see how it was hacked
#178 [01:29] <KillSpammer> Drunk golf buggy driver charged
#179 [01:29] <KillSpammer> SOmeone totally hacked that in
#180 [01:29] <KillSpammer> Ok
#181 [01:30] <Diablothein> srsly.
#182 [01:30] <KillSpammer> I feel like making a map :)
#183 [01:30] <xales> Diablothein: screeeeeeeeennnnnnnnshot
#184 [01:30] <Phayze> o.O
#185 [01:30] <Diablothein> xales, sssssttttffffuuuuu and wait damnit
#186 [01:30] <Phayze> killspammer - i can host for ya
#187 [01:30] <Phayze> :)
#188 [01:30] <KillSpammer> Like one of those premium maps you get
#189 [01:30] <KillSpammer> And like
#190 [01:30] <KillSpammer> Its adventure and stuff
#191 [01:31] <Phayze> o.O
#192 [01:31] <Phayze> yall play the island survivor map?
#193 [01:31] <KillSpammer> If you want to host for me i'll gladly take advantage of that :)
#194 [01:31] <Phayze> haha i can host for anyone... i have a server i can run
#195 [01:31] <KillSpammer> Ok msg me the ip
#196 [01:31] <GreyVulpine> DAMN YOU CREEPER
#197 [01:31] <KillSpammer> Or tell everyone publicly
#198 [01:31] <Phayze> rofl
#199 [01:31] <Phayze> sec
#200 [01:31] <GreyVulpine> I was working on my music blocks
#201 [01:31] <Phayze> let me start it
#202 [01:31] <GreyVulpine> Suddenly... SSSSssssss
#203 [01:32] <Diablothein> http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/2027/screenshotlpa.png
#204 [01:32] <GreyVulpine> Fucker blew up a good 5 notes worth
#205 [01:32] <Phayze> hahaha
#206 [01:32] <KillSpammer> [Hellyear - Hell Of A Ti...
#207 [01:32] <Phayze> !check 99.120.168.185
#208 [01:32] <KillSpammer> yeah*
#209 [01:32] <Phayze> rofl
#210 [01:32] <Phayze> fail type
#211 [01:32] <Phayze> !check 99.120.169.185
#212 [01:32] <ThePsion05> So given the lack of alternatives I'm going to take a shot in the dark about the corrupt chunk error you mentioned earlier, GreyVulpine. Does MCEdit have the ability to detect that in any form?
#213 [01:33] <Phayze> ok
#214 [01:33] <KillSpammer> Clean map?
#215 [01:33] <Phayze> uh mostly...
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#217 [01:33] <Phayze> i could use a fresh one though prolly
#218 [01:33] <xales> ThePsion05: I actually think I know what the problem might be, but it is just a guess
#219 [01:33] <Phayze> i cant remember what all ive done in here
#220 [01:33] <KillSpammer> Nahh once i finish it you can just send me the map files and i'll get rid of the other stuff
#221 [01:33] <KillSpammer> Now to see what i'm gonna actually do in ti :)
#222 [01:33] <Phayze> hahaha
#223 [01:33] <ThePsion05> xales - Go right ahead, not really overwhelmed with potential courses of action at this point ;)
#224 [01:34] <xales> ThePsion05: I think it might be with the crappy way that Minecraft or the library it is using are loading sounds, and that each fire gives off its own 3D sound and the card can't handle that
#225 [01:34] <Phayze> i might give you some admin if youre chill enough :)
#226 [01:34] <KillSpammer> Join #minecraftmapmaking if you want to help.
#227 [01:34] <Diablothein> there, the ultimate fix, nuke the info.
#228 [01:34] <ThePsion05> xales Ah, that makes a lot of sense actually. I know my sound card doesn't have a ton of channels
#229 [01:34] <xales> ThePsion05: One solution is using MCEdit to change the current player position (I belive it can do that)
#230 [01:34] <GreyVulpine> It can
#231 [01:35] <ThePsion05> xales - But in theory disabling sound should fix that, shouldn't it? Or do the sound events still occur even if they're muted?
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#234 [01:37] <xales> ThePsion05: It should fix it, but I'm not sure. It may still play them with a 0 volume
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#236 [01:38] <Akumaka> I was wondering if anyone could help me with an error I'm getting when trying to connect to a server?
#237 [01:38] <Akumaka> Internal exception: java.io.UTFDataFormatException: malformed input around byte 5
#238 [01:39] <xales> !recent
#239 [01:39] <xales> ^
#240 [01:39] <xales> server not updated
#241 [01:39] <Akumaka> Ooh. Thanks :)
#242 [01:40] <KillSpammer> What should i make?
#243 [01:40] <KillSpammer> My map theme that is
#244 [01:41] <ThePsion05> I'll try to change the player position with MCEdit and report back if that works...hope Notch gets that new save format implemented soon... (looks at the 12 minutes to save his world)
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#246 [01:42] <xales> o/ Shadow386
#247 [01:42] <Shadow386> ?
#248 [01:42] <Shadow386> oh
#249 [01:42] <xales> proper response is \p
#250 [01:42] <Shadow386> o/
#251 [01:42] <xales> \o*
#252 [01:42] <Shadow386> \o
#253 [01:42] <xales> there you go :P
#254 [01:42] <Shadow386> fuck me, its 2am i dont need to be doing this XD
#255 [01:43] <xales> of course you do
#256 [01:43] <Shadow386> idk why im online really. I need to get my sleep schedule back on track.
#257 [01:43] <KillSpammer> I sware chrome begins downloading things before you accept to download
#258 [01:43] <KillSpammer> I just remembered i hadn'
#259 [01:43] <Shadow386> KillSpammer means you allowed it somewhere
#260 [01:43] <KillSpammer> t started a 50mb file download
#261 [01:43] <KillSpammer> And clicked download
#262 [01:43] <KillSpammer> It says blah blah do you accept this download
#263 [01:43] <KillSpammer> And it instantly finished!
#264 [01:43] <ThePsion05> KillSpammer - I think it does actually. It assumes you'll save the file and just deletes it if you don't
#265 [01:43] <Shadow386> ^
#266 [01:44] <GreyVulpine> Bah, that's it, I'm staying inside. damn creepers just blew up the first measure of One Winged Angel
#267 [01:44] <KillSpammer> I wonder if mcedit works with beta
#268 [01:44] <GreyVulpine> It does
#269 [01:44] <xales> GreyVulpine: You seem to be attracted by the creepers
#270 [01:44] <GreyVulpine> Colored wool hasn't been added yet
#271 [01:44] <xales> or rather...
#272 [01:44] <GreyVulpine> But everything else works
#273 [01:44] <xales> dammit, I have Shadow386's 1am problem
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#275 [01:44] <xales> GreyVulpine: You seem to attract creepers
#276 [01:44] * GreyVulpine snerks
#276 [01:44] <xales> there we go
#277 [01:45] <Shadow386> lol
#278 [01:45] <xales> also, taken out of context, that sounds a bit silly
#279 [01:45] <Shadow386> I'm gonna spend the next 30 mins writing a description of 3 servers that I have, Shadow-Craft Survival, Shadow-Craft Freebuild, and Shadow-Craft Test.
#280 [01:45] <Shadow386> oh goody
#281 [01:46] <xales> ._.
#282 [01:46] <xales> Test?
#283 [01:46] <xales> that SMP or Classic?
#284 [01:46] <GreyVulpine> We'll know in 30 minutes, I guess.
#285 [01:48] <ThePsion05> only another minute to finish backing up my world...serves me right for playing 1 world for 3+ months I suppose
#286 [01:49] <xales> ThePsion05: It is probably faster to use a tool like 7zip to compress it rather than just copying and pasting
#287 [01:49] <xales> (Windows file buffering is absolutely THE WORST)
#288 [01:49] <ThePsion05> xales I'm on Vista too, which seems to have worse file buffering than any OS released in the past 10 years
#289 [01:50] <xales> Longer than that, I'm sure Minix had wonderful buffering
#290 [01:51] <KillSpammer> Any ideas for my map?
#291 [01:52] <Phayze> survival
#292 [01:52] <KillSpammer> Obviously...
#293 [01:52] <KillSpammer> Island?
#294 [01:53] <OODavo> Floating islands.
#295 [01:53] <Phayze> 1 island
#296 [01:54] <KillSpammer> 1 Giant island!
#297 [01:54] <KillSpammer> Lol
#298 [01:54] <OODavo> One giant island broken up into smaller islands.
#299 [01:54] <Phayze> 1 small island
#300 [01:55] <OODavo> One really small island.
#301 [01:55] <OODavo> One metre square.
#302 [01:55] <Phayze> haha
#303 [01:55] <Phayze> have 1 piece of sand and 1 block of dirt with a flower on it
#304 [01:56] <OODavo> Yes.
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#306 [01:56] <KillSpammer> Actually...
#307 [01:56] <KillSpammer> I might go underground lair kind of thing
#308 [01:57] <Phayze> yes!
#309 [01:57] <Phayze> those are fun
#310 [01:57] <Phayze> give very limited above ground resources
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#312 [01:58] <kylelevien> question!
#313 [01:58] <OODavo> kylelevien: Ask it.
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#315 [01:59] <kylelevien> I'm running a core SMP server and have started getting "0, 0" on the console after updating to 1.2_01 and am wondering what that means.
#316 [01:59] <kylelevien> I read on the forums that it's a debugging message
#317 [02:01] <xales> No idea, it should be safe to ignore
#318 [02:01] <OODavo> It could be coordinates for the origin?
#319 [02:01] <OODavo> :P
#320 [02:02] <xales> OODavo: http://goo.gl/Hi6Oz
#321 [02:02] <OODavo> ?
#322 [02:03] <kylelevien> yeah it doesn't seem to be doing anything nasty
#323 [02:03] <kylelevien> just spamming the console.
#324 [02:03] <xales> Its a banhammer, OODavo :)
#325 [02:03] <OODavo> Yes, I am aware. What is the significance of the banhammer, xales?
#326 [02:03] <xales> Its amusing, real banhammer :P
#327 [02:03] <OODavo> :)
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#330 [02:09] <Shadow386> xales
#331 [02:09] <Shadow386> http://shadow-craft.net/?page_id=170
#332 [02:11] <KillSpammer> Huh...
#333 [02:11] <KillSpammer> How do i get the snow block that you place on top of a block
#334 [02:11] <KillSpammer> Not the actual block
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#336 [02:11] <Shadow386> snow cover?
#337 [02:11] <KillSpammer> Yeah
#338 [02:12] <Shadow386> find the id
#339 [02:12] <Shadow386> /give KillSpammer <id> <amt>
#340 [02:12] <Fluuux> hey guys....
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#342 [02:12] <KillSpammer> Its singleplayer
#343 [02:12] <Shadow386> then you cant
#344 [02:12] <OODavo> KillSpammer: INVEdit.
#345 [02:12] <Fluuux> do one of you know how to combine a external hard drive and a internal hard drive?
#346 [02:12] <xales> Shadow386: Looks good. You may want to specify that they are all Beta/Survival servers.
#347 [02:12] <xales> Fluuux: You don't
#348 [02:12] <Shadow386> Fluuux lots of magic
#349 [02:12] <Fluuux> so they increase on the hard drive space?
#350 [02:12] <xales> You cannot
#351 [02:12] <Fluuux> huh?
#352 [02:12] <Shadow386> xales good point
#353 [02:13] <xales> It is not possible
#354 [02:13] <Fluuux> hm...
#355 [02:13] <Fluuux> xales...
#356 [02:13] <kylelevien> RAID?
#357 [02:13] <Fluuux> is there some way i could use my external hard drive instead of my internal for minecraft server?
#358 [02:13] <Fluuux> yea raid i was thinking
#359 [02:13] <Fluuux> but idk
#360 [02:13] <Fluuux> how
#361 [02:13] <Fluuux> to
#362 [02:13] <Fluuux> lol
#363 [02:14] <Shadow386> Fluuux yeah, plug the HD in
#364 [02:14] <Shadow386> run it
#365 [02:14] <Shadow386> :O
#366 [02:14] <OODavo> Just install the server on the external drive instead
#367 [02:14] <xales> RAID won't work on external
#368 [02:14] <OODavo> .
#369 [02:14] <kylelevien> put the world folder on the external
#370 [02:14] <kylelevien> ok
#371 [02:14] <xales> Especially not RAID0
#372 [02:14] * Shadow386 RAIDs xales' ext harddrives
#372 [02:14] <Fluuux> well i would put the mac os x in the external hard drive though
#373 [02:14] * xales pokes Shadow386 with a 'poking stick'
#373 [02:14] <Fluuux> and then i could boot from it
#374 [02:14] * Shadow386 breaks it
#374 [02:15] <xales> Fluuux: You can't install OSX on an external drive
#375 [02:15] <Shadow386> Fluuux easy solution: dont use macs
#376 [02:15] <Fluuux> but i want to use the memory of it but use my ram and my internet connection
#377 [02:15] <Fluuux> yes i can....
#378 [02:15] <xales> Nope
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#380 [02:15] <Shadow386> you can install it, but it wont work
#381 [02:15] <xales> And either way, it would lag too much
#382 [02:15] <OODavo> One can install any OS on an ext drive, no?
#383 [02:15] <Fluuux> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCZu23C8a78
#384 [02:15] <xales> OODavo: Not if the OS intentionally prevents you.
#385 [02:15] <Fluuux> so your telling me this video is all fake?
#386 [02:15] <Shadow386> Fluuux just use linux
#387 [02:15] <Shadow386> its like mac but it works
#388 [02:15] <Fluuux> right....
#389 [02:15] <OODavo> xales: What the frell. OS X does that?
#390 [02:16] <xales> Fluuux: I'm not sure if there is an official way or not, but in either case, IT WILL BE TOO SLOW
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#392 [02:16] <xales> External drives are VERY SLOW
#393 [02:16] <kylelevien> having your OS on an external is a bad idea
#394 [02:16] <Fluuux> ...ok
#395 [02:16] <Fluuux> but i just want to use the memory of the external hard drive
#396 [02:16] <Fluuux> not run it from there
#397 [02:16] <Shadow386> kylelevien unless you personally make an OS that is meant to run on externals ;D
#398 [02:16] <Fluuux> is there a way i cna do that?
#399 [02:16] <SSh2> Hi, can someone please try to help me with an error Im getting? http://pastebin.com/NAUV0BV8
#400 [02:17] <SSh2> I've looked through the forums, nothing helped.
#401 [02:17] <xales> Fluuux: You don't want to put Minecraft on it, as I said, it is too slow
#402 [02:17] <Fluuux> so it won't use my internal hard drive space but my externals hard drive space?
#403 [02:17] <GreyVulpine> SSh2 - Java: 1.6.0_03, Sun Microsystems Inc.
#404 [02:17] <Shadow386> Fluuux then modify stuff yourself and have it so the server runs on the EXTERNAL HD, but make sure its plugged into the computer at all times. would be dumb anyways
#405 [02:17] <GreyVulpine> Update your java
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#407 [02:17] <Fluuux> no....
#408 [02:17] <GreyVulpine> You are running a REALLY old version
#409 [02:17] <Fluuux> ok...
#410 [02:17] <Fluuux> i want to use my ram
#411 [02:17] * Shadow386 downgrades GreyVulpine's java
#411 [02:17] <duari> can someone please help me with my server really quick and just try and join? I need to see if the server is up
#412 [02:17] <GreyVulpine> duari - IP?
#413 [02:18] <Fluuux> from my computer and the internet connect..... but minecraft server takes up hard drive memory right.....?
#414 [02:18] <xales> Fluuux: You Can Not Use The External Drive To Get More Space To Run A Minecraft Server.
#415 [02:18] <Shadow386> duari http://canyouseeme.org
#416 [02:18] <Fluuux> from the stuff done on the server.
#417 [02:18] <Fluuux> no.....
#418 [02:18] <Fluuux> lol
#419 [02:18] <Fluuux> omg
#420 [02:18] <Shadow386> Go buy a new internal hard drive
#421 [02:18] <GreyVulpine> Duari?
#422 [02:18] <SSh2> okay thanks GreyVulpine, is there an easy way to do that? I'm not that linux-savy
#423 [02:18] <Fluuux> yea like if i shited money daily
#424 [02:18] <xales> Fluuux: An. External. Drive. CAN NOT. Have. Minecraft. Run. Off. Of. It
#425 [02:18] <Shadow386> SSh2 what version of linux?
#426 [02:18] <kylelevien> hard drive memory?
#427 [02:18] <Fluuux> to just go buy it
#428 [02:18] <xales> Fluuux: Internal drive is much cheaper than external
#429 [02:18] <xales> :P
#430 [02:19] <SSh2> Fedora
#431 [02:19] <Fluuux> im not trying to run minecraft server of the external
#432 [02:19] <Shadow386> xales I have about 20 10gig hard drives in my room right now
#433 [02:19] <Shadow386> SSh2 go to terminal
#434 [02:19] <xales> Fluuux: Then what are you trying to use it for?
#435 [02:19] <Shadow386> yum update java
#436 [02:19] <Fluuux> what im asking is if there is a way that the minecraft server uses the HARD DRIVE memory of the external instead of the internal
#437 [02:19] <GreyVulpine> Huh?
#438 [02:19] <duari> Shadow386: that website checks it off of MY ip address, I am using Hamachi
#439 [02:19] <kylelevien> the memory it uses is SYSTEM memory
#440 [02:19] <xales> Fluuux: I know that.
#441 [02:20] <Fluuux> basically storing the logs and all the HARD DRIVE memory of the interal to the external
#442 [02:20] <Shadow386> duari ah
#443 [02:20] <xales> Fluuux: That is exactly what you CAN NOT do
#444 [02:20] <Fluuux> so you can't?
#445 [02:20] <Fluuux> ok.
#446 [02:20] <SSh2> oh, thanks Shadow386. I thought I remembered Java stuff not being supported on yum. Guess not.
#447 [02:20] <xales> Fluuux: You COULD do it, but it would be TOO SLOW
#448 [02:20] <Fluuux> i wasnt trying to run mc from the external
#449 [02:20] <xales> The server would not run
#450 [02:20] <Shadow386> SSh2 no problemo
#451 [02:20] <Shadow386> I personally LOVE CentOS...
#452 [02:20] <kylelevien> you could run a backup script to backup the files to the external
#453 [02:20] <xales> Fluuux: If the files are located on it, then you are running it on it
#454 [02:20] <Shadow386> wait, why the fuck am I trying to install windows 7 on my desktop when I can just install linux?
#455 [02:20] <SSh2> wait, Shadow386, it just listed a bunch of packages, then said "Setting up Update Process
#456 [02:20] <SSh2> No Packages marked for Update
#457 [02:20] <SSh2> "
#458 [02:21] <Shadow386> oh wait, adobe CS5 >_>
#459 [02:21] <xales> SSh2: What version of Fedora?
#460 [02:21] <Shadow386> ssen hm
#461 [02:21] <Shadow386> oops pinged the wrong person
#462 [02:21] <SSh2> 13, GNOME 2.30.2
#463 [02:22] <duari> GreyVulpine: server IP is 5.7.115.179
#464 [02:22] <xales> SSh2: Just download a java update
#465 [02:22] <xales> !check 5.7.115.179
#466 [02:22] <GreyVulpine> duari - I need to join your network first
#467 [02:22] <SSh2> from the sun site?
#468 [02:22] <GreyVulpine> I can't just connect like that
#469 [02:22] <GreyVulpine> What is your hamachi network id/password?
#470 [02:22] <xales> Oh, duh, hamachi
#471 [02:22] <xales> SSh2: Yeah
#472 [02:22] <xales> SSh2: Is that where you got it from originally?
#473 [02:23] <SSh2> well I'm not sure exactly what to with it. and I'm not sure, it was a while ago.
#474 [02:23] <duari> *greyVulpine give me a sec im going to make a new one
#475 [02:23] <Diablothein> ... Hamachi... Bleh.
#476 [02:23] <SSh2> do I want RPM or non-RPM?
#477 [02:23] <GreyVulpine> RPM.
#478 [02:24] <Shadow386> definitely RPM
#479 [02:24] <Diablothein> I've dealt with that software once... In the great words of the Jews after the second World War: Never Again.
#480 [02:24] <GreyVulpine> Heh
#481 [02:24] * Shadow386 establishes third world war with Diablothein
#481 [02:25] <Diablothein> Third World War, Germans versus World, why? Germans are currently leading invisibility research.
#482 [02:25] <duari> GreyVulpine: ID is tester minecraft
#483 [02:25] <duari> pass is test
#484 [02:25] * Shadow386 hacks all over duari's connection with pies
#484 [02:25] <GreyVulpine> Works here.
#485 [02:25] <Shadow386> query next time ;D
#486 [02:25] * xales queries Shadow386 with a query performing queries
#486 [02:26] <Shadow386> OH SHI-
#487 [02:26] <Diablothein> Access Denied.
#488 [02:26] <Shadow386> xales I have a question ;D
#489 [02:26] <xales> Oh Noes
#490 [02:26] <Shadow386> What do you do all day every day?
#491 [02:26] <xales> Classes. Or not
#492 [02:26] <Shadow386> Hm.
#493 [02:26] <xales> During weekdays I'm on intermittantly
#494 [02:26] <Shadow386> Alright, I have a proposition for you
#495 [02:26] <Shadow386> incoming query
#496 [02:27] <xales> (During classes I don't care for, I'm mostly on, otherwise I'm somewhat on)
#497 [02:27] <Diablothein> g'mornin'
#498 [02:29] <SSh2> okay, so I downloaded the rpm, now I'm tying to do chmod a+x jre-6u23-linux-i586-rpm.bin, but it's telling me no such file
#499 [02:29] <Shadow386> ls
#500 [02:30] <SSh2> ?
#501 [02:30] <SSh2> i recognize that command but I don't remember what to do with it
#502 [02:30] <GreyVulpine> ls = lists directory contents
#503 [02:30] <Shadow386> ^
#504 [02:31] <SSh2> oh wait, I was doing something wrong. i may have fixed it
#505 [02:41] <KillSpammer> Ugh...
#506 [02:41] <KillSpammer> I need a better map editor
#507 [02:42] <SSh2> okay, so I updated Java, but Minecraft is still saying it's using the old one
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#510 [02:43] <Visiiri> Hmmm
#511 [02:43] <GreyVulpine> Nice and easy.
#512 [02:43] <Visiiri> rainmeter IRC
#513 [02:43] <Visiiri> do you think I can do it?
#514 [02:44] <GreyVulpine> Guy ran hamachi, but didn't know that he had already port forwarded correctly through his router
#515 [02:44] <GreyVulpine> Just had server-ip filled in.
#516 [02:46] <xales> Visiiri: No.
#517 [02:46] <Visiiri> I'll bet I can!
#518 [02:47] <SSh2> xales or Shadow386, do you know?
#519 [02:47] <Shadow386> ?
#520 [02:48] <xales> SSh2: Try restarting, it could be caching it or something batshit insane
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#525 [03:05] <bidoof> How many players would a 256mb openvz server hold at once? (I'm guessing not many D:)
#526 [03:06] * GreyVulpine winces
#526 [03:06] <xales> None
#527 [03:06] <xales> most likely
#528 [03:07] <GreyVulpine> You might get yourself and a friend in?
#529 [03:07] <xales> actually, yeah, none is a good estimate
#530 [03:07] <GreyVulpine> Maybe/
#531 [03:07] <GreyVulpine> ?
#532 [03:07] <xales> GreyVulpine: Seriously unlikely
#533 [03:07] <GreyVulpine> Oh?
#534 [03:07] <GreyVulpine> That bad?
#535 [03:07] <bidoof> ah
#536 [03:07] <xales> Well, assume it needs 50MB for other things
#537 [03:08] <GreyVulpine> other things.. okay then
#538 [03:08] <bidoof> hmm, will a 512 hold around 6~?
#539 [03:08] <GreyVulpine> Highly unlikely
#540 [03:08] <bidoof> oh alright
#541 [03:08] <Shadow386> xales http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/554200
#542 [03:08] <xales> I mean, linuxgate does need sme ram, GreyVulpine
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#545 [03:10] <SSh2> thanks xales and Shadow386, I got it
#546 [03:10] <Shadow386> i dont remember doing much xD but alright no problem?
#547 [03:10] <SSh2> i had to manually add the new java into the alternatives
#548 [03:10] <SSh2> which was annoying, but I got it
#549 [03:12] <bidoof> I wonder why server resellers sell 512 servers then.. lol
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#552 [03:14] <xales> bidoof: They don't intend them for Minecraft servers
#553 [03:15] <bidoof> ah
#554 [03:15] * ConMan8 throws a pokeball
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#555 [03:18] <bidoof> Welp, there goes that idea of hosting a server for me and my friends xD
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#557 [03:20] <Shadow386> xales fixed the css :P
#558 [03:21] <xales> bidoof: you could try running it at home or just use someone else's server
#559 [03:21] <Shadow386> bidoof get $5 and i can host it on my dedicated ;D
#560 [03:22] <xales> Shadow386: thats unfair, you told me $10 D:
#561 [03:22] <Shadow386> xales well at the time, i didnt have $480 for 6 months XD
#562 [03:22] <xales> :P
#563 [03:22] <Shadow386> ;D
#564 [03:23] <Shadow386> how many people bidoof?
#565 [03:24] <rocode> Wait what?
#566 [03:24] <Shadow386> wut?
#567 [03:24] <rocode> 512 can hold 5 people.
#568 [03:24] <ziggo0`> I've had a few 512 clients up to 8 people and they do alright
#569 [03:24] <Shadow386> I've had 20 on 512 before, laggy as hell xD
#570 [03:24] <bidoof> I cant run from home, horrible upload speed. No more than 6 at once.
#571 [03:25] <AG_Elias> ... because 512 can't handle 20 people?
#572 [03:25] <Shadow386> then i got this 8gig and dedicated about 4 to it, pushing the limit to 50 people
#573 [03:25] <AG_Elias> Even 10 is pushing it.
#574 [03:25] <AG_Elias> bidoof: What is your budget?
#575 [03:25] <Shadow386> AG_Elias was a test run :P downgraded back to 10 people and got a 1gig server, upgraded to 15
#576 [03:26] <KillSpammer> Beep
#577 [03:27] <bidoof> hmm, not much :X maybe like 10ish a month
#578 [03:27] <ConMan8> ~100MB of RAM can hold one person safely
#579 [03:27] <Shadow386> bidoof how many people?
#580 [03:28] <bidoof> no more than 6
#581 [03:28] <Shadow386> i could rent out 768 ram to you for...$5
#582 [03:28] <ConMan8> you need 614.4MB of RAM
#583 [03:28] <AG_Elias> Shadow386, we aren't allowed to give quotes in this channel.
#584 [03:29] <Shadow386> AG_Elias sorry D:
#585 [03:29] <AG_Elias> bidoof: Without getting a personal arrangement with someone, you won't be able to find a good host at $10 a month for 5-6 people.
#586 [03:29] <bidoof> ahh alright
#587 [03:29] <AG_Elias> Minimum is about $15.
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#589 [03:31] <TheBix> hey guys
#590 [03:31] <ziggo0`> hello
#591 [03:31] <TheBix> how do you make a high speed and gate using redstone?
#592 [03:31] <bidoof> I'll try to figure something out xD
#593 [03:32] <TheBix> anyone got any ideas
#594 [03:32] <TheBix> everything I make just burns out
#595 [03:32] <ConMan8> high speed AND gate? the basic versions are pretty fast
#596 [03:32] <TheBix> noooooo. Like one that can deal with a rapid pulsar
#597 [03:32] <DetectiveConan> thinking of making IRC yahtzee should i do it?
#598 [03:33] <TheBix> is it even posible?
#599 [03:35] <AG_Elias> TheBix: Redstone lags like a **** in SMP.
#600 [03:35] <AG_Elias> Just a heads up.
#601 [03:35] <TheBix> yeah but its not for SMP
#602 [03:35] <AG_Elias> Then you are good. =D
#603 [03:36] <TheBix> trying to make an auto dispenser gun
#604 [03:36] <TheBix> that fires faster than a 5 clock
#605 [03:36] <TheBix> complete with advanced features like burst mode
#606 [03:36] <TheBix> so yeah the current problem is that I need an and gate that can deal with a 1 clock
#607 [03:37] <KillSpammer> Repeater ftw?
#608 [03:38] <KillSpammer> Repeater + flip-flop = win?
#609 [03:38] <KillSpammer> Learn2Flip-Flop
#610 [03:38] <KillSpammer> ?
#611 [03:39] <TheBix> what.....
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#615 [03:48] <Rait> Having issuse with people joining my server again.
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#617 [03:54] <chickenoodlz> sorry >.>
#618 [03:54] <chickenoodlz> that guy keeps saying to buy the game.. and i already did >.>
#619 [03:54] <xales> chickenoodlz: what is your username?
#620 [03:54] <chickenoodlz> chickenoodlz
#621 [03:54] <xales> try connecting to smp.shadow-craft.net
#622 [03:54] <chickenoodlz> this is my 3rd time here haha.. i cant belive u dont remember my anme :/
#623 [03:55] <chickenoodlz> name**
#624 [03:55] <chickenoodlz> its an awesome name >.>
#625 [03:55] <chickenoodlz> :b k ill try
#626 [03:55] <chickenoodlz> faild to login: bad login
#627 [03:56] <xales> are you using 'play offline' when you log in?
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#629 [03:56] <chickenoodlz> i was playing on no
#630 [03:56] <chickenoodlz> oops
#631 [03:56] <chickenoodlz> i ment to say i was playing minecraft.co.in then got kicked out.. idk y
#632 [03:56] <chickenoodlz> but no im playing online
#633 [03:57] <chickenoodlz> im running on minecraft patcher
#634 [03:57] <chickenoodlz> for a HD texture pack
#635 [03:57] <xales> minecraft patcher?
#636 [03:57] <xales> oh
#637 [03:57] <chickenoodlz> lets me play single player fine..
#638 [03:57] <chickenoodlz> let me try to login with the in browser
#639 [03:59] <chickenoodlz> wow.. it doesnt even load..
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#642 [04:03] <Rait> GreyVulpin, you available?
#643 [04:04] <xales> chickenoodlz: Did you ever try to use a cracked/pirated/torrented version?
#644 [04:04] <chickenoodlz> yes
#645 [04:04] <chickenoodlz> deleted it
#646 [04:04] <xales> That is the problem then
#647 [04:04] <chickenoodlz> o.O damn
#648 [04:05] <Shadow386> delete the .minecraft folder in %appdata%
#649 [04:05] <xales> >implying the virus didn't touch etc/hosts
#650 [04:05] <chickenoodlz> o.O
#651 [04:05] <xales> >>implying it was a virus, meh
#652 [04:05] <Shadow386> >is a troll
#653 [04:05] <xales> >>>all things considered it probably was
#654 [04:06] <chickenoodlz> can i fix?
#655 [04:06] <xales> not easily
#656 [04:06] <chickenoodlz> delete and reinstall?
#657 [04:06] <xales> that probably won't fix it
#658 [04:06] <xales> !reinstall
#659 [04:06] <chickenoodlz> hmm.. it was letting me play online for 2 days though o.O
#660 [04:07] <Shadow386> btw xales, css is fixed :P
#661 [04:07] <xales> k
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#663 [04:07] <Shadow386> chickenoodlz did you do anything in the past 2 days?
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#665 [04:07] <chickenoodlz> in minecraft?
#666 [04:08] <chickenoodlz> well i wasnt on minecraft 2 days strait haha just like 1 hour one day and 2 the next..
#667 [04:10] <Shadow386> did you try installing any mods when you updated to 1.2_01
#668 [04:10] <Shadow386> or whatever version is out right now
#669 [04:10] <chickenoodlz> nope
#670 [04:10] <chickenoodlz> wait texture packs count?
#671 [04:10] <Shadow386> they could
#672 [04:11] <Shadow386> if it's not updated with the new blocks, prob
#673 [04:11] <Shadow386> or if it's HD and it crashes due to not being able to read HD packs
#674 [04:11] <chickenoodlz> well my computer wouldnt let me play minecraft for a while
#675 [04:11] <Shadow386> but then...?
#676 [04:11] <chickenoodlz> untill i lowered the settings.. and such
#677 [04:12] <chickenoodlz> it still restarts my computer every now and then
#678 [04:12] <Shadow386> maybe a video card needs updating
#679 [04:12] <chickenoodlz> eh.. xales told me that already
#680 [04:12] <Shadow386> better yet, a new system
#681 [04:12] <chickenoodlz> im waiting for my laptop
#682 [04:12] <Shadow386> pc specs?
#683 [04:12] <xales> !reinstall
#684 [04:12] <chickenoodlz> but i wanna play
#685 [04:12] <xales> ^just do that
#686 [04:12] <xales> :P
#687 [04:12] <chickenoodlz> k
#688 [04:12] <chickenoodlz> brb
#689 [04:18] <chickenoodlz> hopefully it dont
#690 [04:18] <chickenoodlz> restart my computer >.>
#691 [04:24] <Rait> could i get someone to help me with my server, no one else but I can get into it. I had it working last night but today no one has been able to join
#692 [04:24] <xales> what is the error?
#693 [04:25] <Rait> Not sure, since i haven't seen the other computers that have tried to log into it.
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#695 [04:25] <chickenoodlz> k well it restarted my computer >.>
#696 [04:25] <xales> well, need to know what the error is to be able to help, Rait =/
#697 [04:25] <xales> chickenoodlz: what did?
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#699 [04:26] <chickenoodlz> when i started up minecraft with the launcher given to me by the website
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#702 [04:26] <xales> chickenoodlz: that won't restart your computer
#703 [04:26] <chickenoodlz> lets c how in browser does..
#704 [04:27] <chickenoodlz> my computers wack :/
#705 [04:27] <chickenoodlz> once it downloads the updates.. reboot
#706 [04:27] <xales> I think it may have something to do with the multitude of viruses I'm sure you have from using pirated software
#707 [04:27] <KillSpammer> Lol what?
#708 [04:27] <chickenoodlz> minecraft's the only thing doing that
#709 [04:27] <xales> so?
#710 [04:27] <chickenoodlz> i play all my other games fine..
#711 [04:28] <chickenoodlz> and programs :/
#712 [04:28] <xales> all other games you pirated...? :P
#713 [04:28] <chickenoodlz> no
#714 [04:28] <chickenoodlz> i own starcraft and diablo 2
#715 [04:29] <KillSpammer> Uhh...
#716 [04:29] <KillSpammer> Its the hd texturepack
#717 [04:29] <chickenoodlz> in browser lets me play fine
#718 [04:29] <xales> ok...anyway, if it still doesn't work, its your own fault for using a pirated version. theres not much else I can do
#719 [04:29] <KillSpammer> They actually can set your patch back
#720 [04:29] <KillSpammer> I used it once and it set me back to alpha
#721 [04:29] <Rait> Xales: i believe the error is the connection timed out.
#722 [04:30] <KillSpammer> Internet connect or Server connection.
#723 [04:30] <chickenoodlz> what was that one server you told me to try to connect to?
#724 [04:30] <Rait> server
#725 [04:30] <xales> Rait: Redo the port forwarding (the internal IP changes) and make sure your external IP hasn't changed
#726 [04:30] <Rait> Alright.
#727 [04:31] <Rait> and it did change, just setup the port forwarding again?
#728 [04:31] <chickenoodlz> xales what was that server u posted up to c if i could connect to it?
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#730 [04:31] <xales> Yup, you may have to delete it though
#731 [04:31] <xales> the old one
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#733 [04:31] <xales> chickenoodlz: smp.shadow-craft.net
#734 [04:31] <chickenoodlz> ty
#735 [04:32] <chickenoodlz> it let me in o.O
#736 [04:33] <Shadow386> my survival is awesomeee
#737 [04:33] <Shadow386> and I made a test server for future implementations and a freebuild for fun
#738 [04:33] <xales> Shadow386: I'd rather be an admin/mod on the freebuild than on a *chan
#739 [04:33] <chickenoodlz> thats ur server? nice
#740 [04:34] <chickenoodlz> whats the freebuild server?
#741 [04:34] <chickenoodlz> if u dont mind me asking
#742 [04:34] <Shadow386> alright if you have at least 4-8 hours a day to dish out, you can be a mod
#743 [04:34] <Shadow386> one sec adding to the site
#744 [04:34] <chickenoodlz> ima try to login with the texture pack
#745 [04:34] <chickenoodlz> brb
#746 [04:35] <xales> Shadow386: I don't have 4-8 hours a day on weekdays =/
#747 [04:35] <Shadow386> how many on weekdays?
#748 [04:35] <xales> depends, possibly 10+
#749 [04:36] <ziggo0`> It's hard to enjoy baby sitting
#750 [04:37] <chickenoodlz> :/
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#752 [04:37] <Shadow386> xales wut
#753 [04:37] <xales> ?
#754 [04:37] <Shadow386> 10+ hours a day or a week?
#755 [04:37] <xales> a day on weekends
#756 [04:37] <Shadow386> how many on weekDAYS though?
#757 [04:38] <Shadow386> chickenoodlz http://shadow-craft.net for all your info
#758 [04:38] <xales> uhh, depends
#759 [04:38] <chickenoodlz> ty
#760 [04:38] <Shadow386> on?
#761 [04:38] <xales> I could try to come on with this piece of crap, but its really crappy
#762 [04:38] <xales> (I have a laptop with an Intel GMA)
#763 [04:38] <Shadow386> well as long as you can get on every now and then its fine
#764 [04:38] <xales> Yeah, that I can do
#765 [04:39] <Shadow386> we can always have you as the weekend staff
#766 [04:39] <Shadow386> but I plan to hire as many mods as I can get on Freebuild since it'll be the most chaotic
#767 [04:39] <xales> ok
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#769 [04:40] <Shadow386> I mean, once mods are working correctly, there will be lots of stuff, but I can discuss that in the IRC once things settle down
#770 [04:40] <xales> anyway...I'm going to go now, its 4:40am...I need to stop doing that
#771 [04:40] <Shadow386> same here, i need to get to sleep too. xD
#772 [04:40] <chickenoodlz> goodnight
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#774 [04:41] <chickenoodlz> eh.. guess ill just get a non hd textture pack and only play in browser >.>
#775 [04:42] <ConMan8> eh
#776 [04:43] * ConMan8 finally posts that OpenGL disable in the forums
#776 [04:45] <TheBix> hey
#777 [04:46] <TheBix> just got banned from that test server lol
#778 [04:53] <Rait> Anyone on that can quickly help me for a minute?
#779 [05:01] <Valium> maybe, sup?
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#781 [05:04] <itorrent> any1 here?¨
#782 [05:07] <itorrent> can any1 help me with connecting to SMP servers
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#785 [05:08] <Braethias> I've checked the wiki and the noobie guide, is there some trick to getting minecart railind to point in the right direction? They sometimes just switch direction rather than making a turn or continuing on in a straight line
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#787 [05:11] <Rait> there's a bug about that. From what i read on the forums, the tracks don't all line up right
#788 [05:12] <Braethias> Yeah. It seems to be mostly dependant on the last rail you place but if it's the last in a sequence or is a turn then it doesn't always swap or face the right way. Just making a loop is challenging, lol
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#792 [05:48] <chrisvankry> hallo
#793 [05:48] <chrisvankry> kann mir jemand helfen?
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#795 [05:50] <El|Matador> hi
#796 [05:50] <El|Matador> i played first map, and in some reason whol forest was on fire... why..?
#797 [05:51] <chrisvankry> i need help with my server, we played with 4 players and we spawed only at hell, we will spaw at orginal spaw
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#799 [05:54] <ozzy> does somebody have the beta server version 1.1(_02) ?
#800 [05:56] <chrisvankry> the last
#801 [05:56] <ozzy> i need 1.1
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#803 [05:58] <El|Matador> freakin magma... burnt whole forest ... so i deleted first map for gods sake
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#805 [06:01] <Solvius> hello, and a goodmorning to ya all
#806 [06:01] <Solvius> does pigs an cows destroy the crops ya plant ?
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#812 [06:14] <thereddeh> i tried adding apple to my cakerecipe but it doesnt work? make cake tastes bland now :(
#813 [06:18] <OODavo> Solvius: Yes, they do.
#814 [06:18] <OODavo> Kind of a late answer, but yes.
#815 [06:18] <OODavo> Don't let anything walk on your farms.
#816 [06:18] <Solvius> thnx OODavo :)
#817 [06:18] <OODavo> Especially don't let other players walk on your farms.
#818 [06:18] <Solvius> I noticed that animals jumps over the fences :)
#819 [06:19] <OODavo> Solvius: They shouldn't be able to. The fences are designed to be unjumpoverable.
#820 [06:19] <OODavo> Ohh.
#821 [06:19] <OODavo> s/h/d.
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#823 [06:19] <OODavo> s/\./\//
#824 [06:19] <justnforasec> test 1 2
#825 [06:19] <OODavo> justnforasec: Hearing you loud and clear.
#826 [06:19] <justnforasec> ty davo
#827 [06:20] <justnforasec> i was apparently blocked or something on the official channel, would not log my messages
#828 [06:21] <OODavo> Your name isn't registered; that's why.
#829 [06:21] <OODavo> You can't speak on #minecraft without registering your name.
#830 [06:21] <thereddeh> unjumpoverable << nice ;p
#831 [06:21] <OODavo> Do /msg NickServ help commands
#832 [06:21] <justnforasec> srry, how do i register?
#833 [06:21] <Solvius> well they jump over it :)
#834 [06:21] <justnforasec> ok
#835 [06:21] <OODavo> And NickServ should help a bit.
#836 [06:21] <OODavo> Solvius: The fences are 1.5 blocks in height. So one shouldn't be able to jump over from the same height as the fence.
#837 [06:22] <OODavo> But if one stands on another block first one CAN jump over.
#838 [06:22] <Solvius> I am not shure, but when they stand on eachother ? is that possible ?
#839 [06:23] <Solvius> There where no blocks around my fence for 4 squares
#840 [06:23] <thereddeh> just make a wall of cacti ;p
#841 [06:23] <OODavo> Solvius: I don't think they can jump on each other to get out.
#842 [06:23] <OODavo> thereddeh: Yeah, that works too.
#843 [06:24] <thereddeh> and make a small river that transport ur loot ;p
#844 [06:24] <Solvius> They are getting in, eating me crops and me craft family is now hungry, Oh sweet oh sweet, wat to do, we have no money and no food lol
#845 [06:24] <thereddeh> hunt pig :)
#846 [06:25] <OODavo> Solvius: Put your farm underground so the mobs can't get to it.
#847 [06:25] <OODavo> That's what I always do. :)
#848 [06:25] <Solvius> hunt pig? thats sad, i am lazy, and have principles to keep on lazy
#849 [06:26] <thereddeh> starve then
#850 [06:26] <Solvius> lol
#851 [06:26] <OODavo> You could also try to eat the grass.
#852 [06:26] <OODavo> That's what the mobs do and they don't seem to die until you kill them.
#853 [06:26] <Solvius> we did, we got greent teeth :)
#854 [06:27] <Solvius> you dont want to someone with green teeth :)
#855 [06:27] <Solvius> see
#856 [06:27] <thereddeh> craft some whitening toothpaste
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#858 [06:27] <Solvius> btw, do you guys know the survival island movies on youtube ?
#859 [06:27] * OODavo now fervently wishes MC had a recipe for whitening toothpaste.
#859 [06:27] <thereddeh> nope
#860 [06:28] <Solvius> I like them, they are good, want the url ?
#861 [06:28] <thereddeh> nope :)
#862 [06:28] <Solvius> grin :)
#863 [06:28] <OODavo> Kind of off-topic, anyway.
#864 [06:28] <OODavo> Does anyone actually need helping? :P
#865 [06:28] <akiwiguy> Hi
#866 [06:28] <OODavo> akiwiguy: Hi.
#867 [06:28] <Solvius> hi
#868 [06:28] <thereddeh> akiwiguy: hi
#869 [06:29] <thereddeh> no, u cant grow kiwi in mc
#870 [06:29] <akiwiguy> !check smp.shadow-craft.net
#871 [06:30] <akiwiguy> I know, thereddeh
#872 [06:30] <akiwiguy> I'm not thick
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#874 [06:30] <thereddeh> it seems i anticipated the wrong question ;p
#875 [06:31] <Solvius> at the moment not OOdavo :)
#876 [06:31] <OODavo> Solvius: Apparently.
#877 [06:31] <akiwiguy> I like the look of lapis lazuli blocks
#878 [06:32] <Solvius> I am happy :D
#879 [06:32] * Solvius is celebrating his birthday :)
#879 [06:32] <thereddeh> i have to travel for days untill i reach a region i havent explored yet hence generates lapus lazuli ore :(
#880 [06:33] <OODavo> s/lapus/lapis/
#881 [06:33] <OODavo> Solvius: Yay. Let there be cake.
#882 [06:34] <Solvius> yeah, and so we have :)
#883 [06:34] <thereddeh> yay my texturepack now is beta 1.2 compatible
#884 [06:34] <OODavo> thereddeh: \o/
#885 [06:35] <Solvius> wich one is that thereddeh ?
#886 [06:35] <thereddeh> well not -my- texturepack, the pack u use ;p
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#888 [06:35] <thereddeh> i*
#889 [06:35] <Turboweevel> hi folks
#890 [06:35] <OODavo> Turboweevel: Salutations.
#891 [06:35] <thereddeh> misa's hd thing
#892 [06:35] <Solvius> hi
#893 [06:35] <Turboweevel> does anyone know where i can find a nice tutorial telling me how to arrange textures so that i can make my own texture pack?
#894 [06:36] <Turboweevel> everything i find on google is how to apply a preexisting texture pack, not how to make your own :s
#895 [06:36] <OODavo> I'll take a look for you
#896 [06:36] <OODavo> .
#897 [06:36] <Turboweevel> :3
#898 [06:36] <Solvius> youtube
#899 [06:36] <Solvius> how to make a texturepack
#900 [06:37] <Solvius> add minecraft :)
#901 [06:37] <Turboweevel> how to install, is all i'm getting
#902 [06:37] <OODavo> Turboweevel: http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=84099
#903 [06:38] <Turboweevel> THANK YOU
#904 [06:38] <Turboweevel> jesus christ, google is so useless these days
#905 [06:38] <OODavo> You're welcome.
#906 [06:38] <OODavo> ^_^
#907 [06:38] <Turboweevel> so i can put the tiles in any arbitrary order? O.o
#908 [06:39] <OODavo> Turboweevel: No idea. I didn't read it myself. :P
#909 [06:39] * OODavo reads it.
#909 [06:39] <Turboweevel> well, this tut tells me part of what i need to know
#910 [06:40] <Turboweevel> ie folder structure
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#912 [06:40] <OODavo> Okay, I'll look for the other parts.
#913 [06:42] <Turboweevel> thanks, i'll keep trawling google
#914 [06:42] <Turboweevel> you're a saint
#915 [06:42] <OODavo> Hmm.
#916 [06:42] <OODavo> There's a lot explaining basic stuff like putting the files into the .jars and such.
#917 [06:42] <OODavo> But not much on the process itself.
#918 [06:43] <Turboweevel> yeah
#919 [06:43] <Turboweevel> bit of an oversight imo
#920 [06:43] <Turboweevel> i guess i'll just work off of the latest version of painterly's terrain.png
#921 [06:43] <OODavo> Yeah, that could work.
#922 [06:44] <Turboweevel> a bit of an annoyance though
#923 [06:44] <Turboweevel> doesn't say much about the finer points of cacti and torches
#924 [06:44] <OODavo> Unfortunately. :(
#925 [06:44] <OODavo> Yeah, all the guides just say to work off an existing terrain.png.
#926 [06:44] <Turboweevel> so many people making texture packs and not one tutorial, kinda weird
#927 [06:44] <Turboweevel> O.o
#928 [06:44] <OODavo> They don't discuss unusual block types.
#929 [06:45] <Turboweevel> ie everything notch has added?
#930 [06:45] <Turboweevel> like the pumpkins, wool, etc?
#931 [06:45] <OODavo> Yeah.
#932 [06:45] <OODavo> :|
#933 [06:46] <OODavo> I suppose the dye's still pretty new so tutorials for that aren't too likely.
#934 [06:46] <OODavo> But tutorials explaining pumpkins should be up by now.
#935 [06:46] <Turboweevel> hell, even torches
#936 [06:46] <Turboweevel> where the sides intersect, etc
#937 [06:47] <Turboweevel> ay ay ay...
#938 [06:47] <OODavo> Maybe there's something on Minepedia.
#939 [06:47] * OODavo checks.
#939 [06:47] <Turboweevel> good idea
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#941 [06:50] <thereddeh> man im having inventory issues with all the new blocks :( its just too small
#942 [06:51] <OODavo> Hmm. Doesn't look like Minepedia has any tips.
#943 [06:51] <OODavo> thereddeh: Get more chests.
#944 [06:51] <zz> OODavo: What are you trying to do?
#945 [06:51] <OODavo> zz: Help Turboweevel make a texture pack.
#946 [06:51] <Turboweevel> zz, we're trying to find a nice tutorial about making texture packs
#947 [06:51] <KillSpammer> Its not harD?
#948 [06:51] <KillSpammer> Edit the current textures?
#949 [06:52] <Turboweevel> ie. how to order the tiled in terrain.png, items etc
#950 [06:52] <KillSpammer> If anyone cares heres my home page for my new website iĺl be getting soon * rcfreak0 (rcfreak0@68-117-22-113.dhcp.fdul.wi.charter.com) has joined #minecraft
#951 [06:52] <KillSpammer> * ChanServ gives channel operator status to CruelNoise
#952 [06:52] <KillSpammer> * ChanServ has kicked CruelNoise from #minecraft (KICK by CruelNoise)
#953 [06:52] <Turboweevel> KillSpammer, i'm working on 128x128, it's a hd pack :x
#954 [06:52] <KillSpammer> Wtf?
#955 [06:52] <zz> Erm.. Just copy the terrain.png from the minecraft.jar and edit that
#956 [06:52] <KillSpammer> http://www.mediafire.com/?7rt9ae5se5m95bx
#957 [06:52] <KillSpammer> There it is
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#959 [06:53] <Turboweevel> what about stuff like transparency?
#960 [06:54] <Turboweevel> do i store that in an alpha channel?
#961 [06:54] <zz> Use the same as on the original
#962 [06:54] <zz> PNG transparency
#963 [06:54] <Turboweevel> ok so it's just garden variety png transparency, ok good
#964 [06:54] <Turboweevel> then on to find out why cake has textures that are smaller than a block...
#965 [06:55] <Turboweevel> and how water/lava/portal animations work
#966 [06:55] <zz> Not sure you can change those
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#968 [06:56] <OODavo> Aren't there a bunch of different textures for the water?
#969 [06:56] <OODavo> So you give each frame of the animation, or some such thing?
#970 [06:56] <zz> Not that I could find
#971 [06:57] <Turboweevel> OODavo, yeah, i think so,
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#973 [06:57] <Turboweevel> but you need mcpatcher to get custom water
#974 [06:57] <Turboweevel> otherwise you're stuck with uggo default water
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#976 [07:14] <KillSpammer> Hey everyone hows my web designing skiillz: http://www.mediafire.com/?ebpd5dnsb4dyvea ?
#977 [07:14] <OODavo> KillSpammer: You're hosting a site on Mediafire? :/
#978 [07:15] <KillSpammer> no...
#979 [07:15] <OODavo> Oh, just a .zip.
#980 [07:15] <KillSpammer> Its gonna be my websites front page
#981 [07:15] * OODavo opens it up.
#981 [07:15] <KillSpammer> When i get it later tommorow
#982 [07:17] <ozzy> does somebody have the beta server version 1.1 ?
#983 [07:18] <KillSpammer> Yes
#984 [07:18] <KillSpammer> @ Minecraft.net
#985 [07:18] <KillSpammer> Oh..
#986 [07:18] <KillSpammer> No
#987 [07:18] <KillSpammer> Google it :)
#988 [07:19] <ozzy> KillSpammer: i already did
#989 [07:19] <ozzy> i only found an exe for windows
#990 [07:19] <KillSpammer> Use windows then :)
#991 [07:19] <ozzy> i have a linux vserver :(
#992 [07:22] <akiwiguy> Ozzy, yum install wine, or equivalent
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#994 [07:23] <OODavo> KillSpammer: Why is your .css file in an images/ directory?
#995 [07:23] <KillSpammer> Idk?
#996 [07:23] <KillSpammer> Iĺl fix it up later
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#998 [07:24] <akiwiguy> I might redo my website
#999 [07:24] <KillSpammer> Lol
#1000 [07:24] <KillSpammer> Whats yours?
#1001 [07:25] <akiwiguy> eltulefngapeveng.co.cc
#1002 [07:25] <lgray> found a NIC lying around the house, which I could use to solve my Atheros issues. It's a D-Link DFE-528TX. Does minecraft have any issues with this one?
#1003 [07:25] <OODavo> You also have a lot of inline styles still. Not recommended.
#1004 [07:26] <akiwiguy> Wordpress. :/
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#1006 [07:28] <OODavo> akiwiguy: Your code has a comment before your <!DOCTYPE>
#1007 [07:28] <OODavo> :(
#1008 [07:28] <akiwiguy> Not my code.
#1009 [07:28] <akiwiguy> Blaim wordpress
#1010 [07:28] <OODavo> The code, then.
#1011 [07:28] <OODavo> Your theme.
#1012 [07:28] <akiwiguy> It sucks
#1013 [07:29] <lgray> Is there a list of minecraft supported NICs somewhere?
#1014 [07:29] <akiwiguy> Not my theme, but yeah
#1015 [07:29] <akiwiguy> I'm going to redo it from scratch
#1016 [07:29] <OODavo> akiwiguy: The theme you are using. IS THAT BETTER
#1017 [07:30] <akiwiguy> Without a cms
#1018 [07:30] <akiwiguy> YES IT IS OODAVO
#1019 [07:30] <OODavo> Wordpress is more blog than CMS.
#1020 [07:30] <OODavo> But nonetheless.
#1021 [07:30] <akiwiguy> yeah...
#1022 [07:31] <Kealper> lgray: not that i know of
#1023 [07:32] <OODavo> MC really should be able to work with all the NICs.
#1024 [07:32] <OODavo> Or at least all the ones Java works with.
#1025 [07:32] <OODavo> Which should be all of them.
#1026 [07:32] <Kealper> there is a way around it
#1027 [07:32] <Kealper> the problem with some NICs is that their buffers (either send, recieve, or both) are too small
#1028 [07:32] <OODavo> Oh, right.
#1029 [07:33] <akiwiguy> What was the comment, anyway?
#1030 [07:33] <Kealper> and then when mc starts sending the map, it buffer overflows the NIC and the internet cuts out
#1031 [07:33] <lgray> Kealper: never had that happen. My onboard is an Atheros and it just stops people at "Logging in". Doesn't kill my net.
#1032 [07:34] <Kealper> oh?
#1033 [07:34] <Kealper> have you tried with other servers?
#1034 [07:34] <KillSpammer> Wtf
#1035 [07:34] <KillSpammer> Whats with your site name?
#1036 [07:34] <Kealper> huh?
#1037 [07:35] <KillSpammer> @ akiwiguy
#1038 [07:35] <akiwiguy> Mine?
#1039 [07:35] <KillSpammer> Yeah
#1040 [07:35] <akiwiguy> Its na'vi
#1041 [07:35] <Kealper> lgray: have you tried going on any other servers?
#1042 [07:35] <akiwiguy> Learnnavi.org
#1043 [07:36] <lgray> Other servers are fine. It's just the Windows 7 + Atheros combination that stops anyone from outside from connecting. The server sees the connection attempt, but then it gives "reset by peer"
#1044 [07:36] <Kealper> i call shenanigans, you don't have something set up right :/
#1045 [07:36] <Kealper> do you have a firewall or antivirus software running?
#1046 [07:37] <Kealper> and that includes windows firewall
#1047 [07:37] <lgray> Heh... you're the first one in here in weeks to not straight blame it on Atheros. No firewall, ports routed fine..
#1048 [07:37] <Kealper> which is on by default
#1049 [07:37] <KillSpammer> Oh also OODavo i stole that css off a friend
#1050 [07:37] <KillSpammer> Blame him :)
#1051 [07:37] <KillSpammer> I just modified it
#1052 [07:37] <OODavo> akiwiguy: Why do you speak Na'vi?
#1053 [07:37] <lgray> I can host minecraft just fine... but only through a VirtualBox virtual network adapter..
#1054 [07:37] <KillSpammer> I suck at css :)
#1055 [07:37] <akiwiguy> Because I can.
#1056 [07:37] <OODavo> akiwiguy: Why can you speak Na'vi?
#1057 [07:38] <akiwiguy> Because I learnt it
#1058 [07:38] <akiwiguy> Am learning it
#1059 [07:38] <Kealper> lgray: that makes me think it's not your NIC even more, because a virtual machine will still be going through your NIC
#1060 [07:38] <OODavo> akiwiguy: Why are you learning to speak Na'vi?
#1061 [07:39] <lgray> Kealper: also, I can host perfectly fine if I'm on linux.. have seen issues only under Windows 7.
#1062 [07:39] <akiwiguy> Because I want to
#1063 [07:39] <OODavo> akiwiguy: Are you able to volunteer any more information than the minimum required to unhelpfully answer queries?
#1064 [07:39] <Kealper> lgray: you said the magic L word, is it safe to assume you actually know a few things about computers? lol
#1065 [07:40] <akiwiguy> Maybe.
#1066 [07:40] <lgray> Kealper: Hehe yeah, but not extremely proefficient with it.
#1067 [07:40] <KillSpammer> Linux
#1068 [07:40] <KillSpammer> OMFG i said it!
#1069 [07:40] <KillSpammer> I suck with computers
#1070 [07:40] <akiwiguy> My desktop runs arch libuz
#1071 [07:40] <Kealper> lgray: ok then...Control Panel > Windows Firewall, tell me when you are there
#1072 [07:40] <akiwiguy> Linux*
#1073 [07:41] <Kealper> lgray: is it on or off?
#1074 [07:41] <lgray> Err what? I'm not on Windows anymore :p
#1075 [07:41] <OODavo> lgray: Why are you trying to host under Windows at all?
#1076 [07:42] <OODavo> Especially when you're already running Linux?
#1077 [07:42] <Kealper> lgray: i thought you said you were on windows 7 -.-
#1078 [07:42] <lgray> OODavo: Because that's what I've been using all of my life and that's where I have all my dev tools and games and that's what I'm most confortable with?
#1079 [07:42] <OODavo> lgray: Okay, point.
#1080 [07:42] <lgray> I was, yesterday. Installed Linux to see if the problem goes away, and it does.
#1081 [07:43] * Kealper thinks OS fangirls should rot in a hole, when it comes to OSes: to each their own
#1081 [07:43] <lgray> Kealper: Perhaps that's why I thought the virtual adapter is a workaround... VirtualBox was routing traffic from Windows host to Linux guest, and Linux' adapter was handling all the deal.
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#1083 [07:43] <lgray> Once I leave it up to Windows, it doesn't seem to respond to connection calls. It sees them (username and IP), then just leaves them to die
#1084 [07:44] <lgray> The client is then stuck at "Logging in..." for about 30 seconds, then ends with Timed out / took to long
#1085 [07:44] <Turboweevel> Kealper oh god yes, i dared to go to a store to ask some stupid questions about the iPad (I was thinking of getting one for my mom) and the guy at the store spent the whole time trying to convince me everything apple makes is so much better and mac is so much better than windows because it's simpler
#1086 [07:44] <Kealper> lgray: but ultimately the same data would still be processed through the Atheros NIC, so i'm thikning VirtualBox gave itself a firewall exception, and the mc server straight does not have one, so it messes up
#1087 [07:44] <OODavo> Kealper: There are no OS fangirls, 'cause there aren't enough computer-obsessed girls to care.
#1088 [07:45] <lgray> Kealper: I did try with Firewall off.
#1089 [07:45] <Turboweevel> and when that failed he told me that macbooks are better than other laptops, even at running windows, because the chips are soldered closer together on the PCBs
#1090 [07:45] <Kealper> fangirl = fanboy who screams like a schoolgirl at what he is fanboying about
#1091 [07:45] <Turboweevel> i nearly cried
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#1093 [07:45] <Kealper> lol Turboweevel
#1094 [07:45] <Turboweevel> so. much. derp.
#1095 [07:46] <OODavo> That guy must have been trolling you.
#1096 [07:47] <OODavo> I hope.
#1097 [07:47] <Turboweevel> nope, he was fo realz
#1098 [07:47] <lgray> Heading for work now. Thanks
#1099 [07:47] <Kealper> lgray: so, your mc server serves fine under linux? lol
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#1101 [07:47] <Kealper> FFFFFUUUU
#1102 [07:47] <Turboweevel> this was after establishing that i'm not a standard PC girl user whose only concern is whether a netbook is pink enough
#1103 [07:47] <OODavo> He thinks OS X is better than Windows 'cause it's "simpler"?
#1104 [07:47] <Turboweevel> for crying out loud
#1105 [07:47] <bildramer> http://i.imgur.com/aCl1V.png
#1106 [07:47] <bildramer> this is genius
#1107 [07:47] <OODavo> No, it's better because it's POSIX-compliant.
#1108 [07:48] <Kealper> Turboweevel: pc girl? pink pcs?
#1109 [07:48] <Kealper> a female on the internet?! THIS IS MADNESS!
#1110 [07:48] <Turboweevel> Kealper, girls seem to pick their pcs not by their specs but by how pink the cases are
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#1112 [07:48] <Kealper> oh....fair enough
#1113 [07:48] <Turboweevel> which is why nobody makes nice aluminum cases like mine anymore
#1114 [07:49] <Turboweevel> it's a big, black monster and if you kick it it'll hurt you much more than it hurt it
#1115 [07:49] <Turboweevel> i should know, i stubbed my toe on it a few times T.T
#1116 [07:49] * Turboweevel hates pink
#1116 [07:50] * Kealper is confused...
#1116 [07:50] * akiwiguy is tired
#1116 [07:50] * Kealper is assuming Turboweevel is female...because that would just make more sense in the context of the conversation
#1116 [07:51] <Turboweevel> yes i'm female
#1117 [07:51] <OODavo> ... :O
#1118 [07:51] <Kealper> ok, that makes more sense then lol
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#1120 [07:51] <OODavo> But there are no girls on the Internet! :O
#1121 [07:51] <Kealper> grats though, i think you're the only one in this entire channel lol
#1122 [07:51] <OODavo> :P
#1123 [07:51] <Turboweevel> SHHHHHHH! we're hiding
#1124 [07:52] * Turboweevel puts on fake mustache and pretends to scratch balls
#1124 [07:52] <Kealper> lol
#1125 [07:52] <Turboweevel> fwhoah look at that rack!
#1126 [07:52] <Turboweevel> (am i doin i rite?)
#1127 [07:52] <OODavo> You need to wear suits and play laser tag.
#1128 [07:52] <Kealper> nailed it.
#1129 [07:53] <Turboweevel> man i wish i had someone to play laser tag with
#1130 [07:53] <Turboweevel> it looks like so much fun
#1131 [07:53] <Turboweevel> :<
#1132 [07:53] <OODavo> You could just go to a laser tag place and play with whoever's there.
#1133 [07:54] <Turboweevel> i don't think there are any in my crappy town
#1134 [07:54] <OODavo> :(
#1135 [07:54] <Turboweevel> i live in a crappy country
#1136 [07:54] <akiwiguy> Where?
#1137 [07:55] <Turboweevel> a small country in europe
#1138 [07:56] * Kealper knows
#1138 [07:56] <akiwiguy> .pt
#1139 [07:56] <akiwiguy> I dunno
#1140 [07:56] <OODavo> Portugal? That's what I'm getting from Google.
#1141 [07:56] <Turboweevel> yeah
#1142 [07:57] <OODavo> ^_^
#1143 [07:57] <Turboweevel> crappy country
#1144 [07:57] <Turboweevel> fun to visit
#1145 [07:57] <Turboweevel> not fun to live in
#1146 [07:57] * Kealper won't say the city
#1146 [07:57] <akiwiguy> Come to new zealand!
#1147 [07:57] <Kealper> don't come to america!
#1148 [07:58] <Kealper> sure, we've got lazer tag, but the country sucks
#1149 [07:58] <Turboweevel> it's better than pt
#1150 [07:58] <Turboweevel> i should know, been there a few times
#1151 [07:58] <Turboweevel> in fact i'll probably be moving there in a few months
#1152 [07:59] <akiwiguy> America or nz?
#1153 [07:59] <Kealper> the usa is a place that looks like pure gold when you just visit, but once you live here for a while, you realize that it's only gold plated
#1154 [07:59] <OODavo> Turboweevel: Kealper JUST said not to do that.
#1155 [07:59] <Turboweevel> Kealper, portugal isn't even that
#1156 [07:59] <Kealper> :/
#1157 [07:59] <akiwiguy> America sucks, come to nz!
#1158 [08:00] <Turboweevel> now a real shithole is australia
#1159 [08:00] <Turboweevel> wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy
#1160 [08:00] <Kealper> the only thing that makes me hate the area around australia is the fact that they filter the internet
#1161 [08:00] <OODavo> Happy 1300, everyone!
#1162 [08:00] <Turboweevel> Kealper, that and everything is insanely expensive there
#1163 [08:00] <OODavo> Kealper: We don't filter the Internet. I think.
#1164 [08:00] <Turboweevel> also it's pretty much the armpit of the developed world
#1165 [08:00] <OODavo> The connections do suck, nonetheless.
#1166 [08:00] <Kealper> OODavo: you in aus?
#1167 [08:00] <OODavo> Kealper: Yes.
#1168 [08:01] <Kealper> they do
#1169 [08:01] <OODavo> Huh. I had no idea.
#1170 [08:01] <OODavo> I hadn't noticed.
#1171 [08:01] <Turboweevel> i pity you OODavo :<
#1172 [08:01] <Turboweevel> *pat pat pat*
#1173 [08:01] <OODavo> :(
#1174 [08:01] <Kealper> what the filter though....i shall not say with a lady here >.>
#1175 [08:01] <Turboweevel> oh for crying out loud
#1176 [08:01] <Kealper> they filter*
#1177 [08:01] <Turboweevel> this isn't the 19th century
#1178 [08:01] <Kealper> :P
#1179 [08:01] <OODavo> OR IS IT?
#1180 [08:02] <Turboweevel> my calendar says it isn't
#1181 [08:02] <OODavo> Yeah, it isn't.
#1182 [08:02] <OODavo> Unless there's a Y2K11 bug or something.
#1183 [08:02] <akiwiguy> It is in australia!
#1184 [08:02] <Turboweevel> maybe we can convince the victorian hipsters to move there
#1185 [08:02] <Turboweevel> leave it to the steampunk nerds
#1186 [08:02] <Kealper> worked well for the british a few hundred yeras ago lol
#1187 [08:02] <Kealper> (burn?)
#1188 [08:03] <Kealper> the long silence tells me that i nailed that one....
#1189 [08:04] <akiwiguy> Right, sleep.
#1190 [08:04] <akiwiguy> Night
#1191 [08:04] * OODavo is thoroughly bemused.
#1191 [08:04] <OODavo> akiwiguy: It's 1304.
#1192 [08:04] <OODavo> Hardly night.
#1193 [08:04] <akiwiguy> 0204
#1194 [08:04] <akiwiguy> Its night
#1195 [08:04] <Kealper> that's morning :P
#1196 [08:04] <akiwiguy> Meh
#1197 [08:04] <OODavo> Indeed.
#1198 [08:04] <Turboweevel> it's TEH FUTURE
#1199 [08:05] <ConMan8> morning here too, 00:04
#1200 [08:05] <akiwiguy> :)
#1201 [08:05] <ConMan8> 17/01/2011 [00:05:02] <+ConMan8> morning here too, 00:04
#1202 [08:05] <ConMan8> bah
#1203 [08:05] <Kealper> 0805 here ftw
#1204 [08:05] <akiwiguy> Txon lefpom
#1205 [08:05] <ConMan8> akiwiguy: how do you pronounce that
#1206 [08:05] <Kealper> zon lefom?
#1207 [08:06] <akiwiguy> Look it up on learnnavi.org
#1208 [08:06] <akiwiguy> Too tired l
#1209 [08:06] <OODavo> ConMan8: You've got Bigpond for your Internet? :(
#1210 [08:06] <akiwiguy> Good night
#1211 [08:07] <ConMan8> OODavo: only people with ADSL2+, but now it's actually good. 200GB cap
#1212 [08:07] <OODavo> ConMan8: Fair enough. I've got 200GB on my 'net too.
#1213 [08:07] <akiwiguy|zzz> Unlimited
#1214 [08:07] <OODavo> akiwiguy|zzz: WANT
#1215 [08:08] <akiwiguy|zzz> $1.50/gb
#1216 [08:08] <Kealper> someone run a speed test at http://speedtest.net and post your results if you live in aus...everyone says their net sucks...
#1217 [08:08] <Kealper> damn
#1218 [08:08] <Kealper> that would be friggin expensive as hell for me lol
#1219 [08:08] <akiwiguy|zzz> On top of $65/m plan charges
#1220 [08:09] <OODavo> Kealper: Max of around 800 KB/s here.
#1221 [08:09] <akiwiguy|zzz> Pay about 110/m in internet
#1222 [08:09] <ConMan8> Yeah.. our net sucks compared to some other places
#1223 [08:09] <Kealper> run a speed test though, i'd like to see whatthe upload as stuff is, too :/
#1224 [08:10] <OODavo> akiwiguy|zzz: Thats not unlimited.
#1225 [08:10] <OODavo> That's you paying a load of money.
#1226 [08:10] <ConMan8> postpaid anything = ugh
#1227 [08:10] <OODavo> Kealper: I think it was about 100?
#1228 [08:10] <OODavo> The 'net's being used a lot so I don't think the speed test would be too accurate.
#1229 [08:11] <Kealper> meh
#1230 [08:11] <OODavo> ConMan8: There are prepaid Internet plans?
#1231 [08:11] <ConMan8> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1113820115.png
#1232 [08:12] <Kealper> wow....
#1233 [08:12] <akiwiguy|zzz> Mehhhh
#1234 [08:12] <akiwiguy|zzz> http://db.tt/TIXVaEU
#1235 [08:12] <Kealper> and how much do you pay for that? lol
#1236 [08:13] <OODavo> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1113821974.png
#1237 [08:13] <ConMan8> I pay about.. 60$ a month
#1238 [08:13] <akiwiguy|zzz> Oodavo, best you can get in nz
#1239 [08:13] <ConMan8> It's faster, but I'm on wireless
#1240 [08:14] <ConMan8> we don't have fiberoptic stuff
#1241 [08:14] <ConMan8> highest possible speed is 100Mbps
#1242 [08:14] <Kealper> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1113822950.png
#1243 [08:14] <akiwiguy|zzz> I usually get faster, just my torrent box is downloading stuff
#1244 [08:15] <Kealper> akiwiguy|zzz: pirate! lol
#1245 [08:15] <akiwiguy|zzz> Heh
#1246 [08:15] <akiwiguy|zzz> Its all legal
#1247 [08:15] <Kealper> oh..that reminds me....
#1248 [08:15] <akiwiguy|zzz> Linux distros and the like
#1249 [08:15] * Kealper stops Mint 10 seed and tests again
#1249 [08:15] <OODavo> akiwiguy|zzz: Ooh, which ones?
#1250 [08:16] <akiwiguy|zzz> Ubuntu, arch, fedora
#1251 [08:16] <OODavo> Shiny.
#1252 [08:16] <Kealper> there we go....hit 10mbit/s upload speed
#1253 [08:17] * Kealper resumes Mint 10 seed
#1253 [08:17] <akiwiguy|zzz> Arch is epic
#1254 [08:17] <OODavo> So I hear.
#1255 [08:17] <Kealper> i've never used it...is it any good?
#1256 [08:18] <OODavo> Kealper: In a couple of days I should be able to answer that. Right now I have no idea. :P
#1257 [08:18] <OODavo> It sounds good, though.
#1258 [08:19] <Kealper> i've heard it's quite minimalistic
#1259 [08:19] <OODavo> It is.
#1260 [08:20] <OODavo> One must manually pacman a lot of stuff one wants.
#1261 [08:20] <OODavo> Like an X server.
#1262 [08:20] <akiwiguy|zzz> It may be 2am, but I'm booting up my pc and playing minecraft.
#1263 [08:20] <akiwiguy|zzz> Can't sleep
#1264 [08:20] <OODavo> akiwiguy|zzz: It's 1320?
#1265 [08:20] <Kealper> omg it doesn't even come with X? lol
#1266 [08:20] <OODavo> Kealper: Nope, one has to pacman X.
#1267 [08:20] <OODavo> It's so a server install can be done easily, I think.
#1268 [08:20] <Kealper> that's pretty minimalistic, indeed lol
#1269 [08:21] <OODavo> I'm planning to install it tomorrow.
#1270 [08:21] <OODavo> Or the next day
#1271 [08:21] <OODavo> .
#1272 [08:22] <ConMan8> I don't seed because I'm a leecher and I suck and my cap is.. was.. too small
#1273 [08:22] <Kealper> :O
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#1275 [08:23] <sindarus> hi all
#1276 [08:23] <sindarus> i got a little problem
#1277 [08:23] <Kealper> yes?
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#1279 [08:24] <OODavo> sindarus: What is it?
#1280 [08:24] <sindarus> i built a glass room, i trowed 7 egg and 2 chickens appered...so i gone to my mine...
#1281 [08:24] <sindarus> and when i came back, the chickens had disapeared
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#1283 [08:24] <OODavo> They despawned.
#1284 [08:25] <OODavo> It happens.
#1285 [08:25] <sindarus> (i was waiting for they made eggs)
#1286 [08:25] <sindarus> arf
#1287 [08:25] <OODavo> Mobs don't stay around forever.
#1288 [08:25] <sindarus> i think i just gone too far of this room
#1289 [08:25] <OODavo> Yeah, if you stay in the same chunk I think they stay.
#1290 [08:25] <OODavo> Or a nearby chunk.
#1291 [08:25] <OODavo> I'm not sure; someone else help here.
#1292 [08:26] <sindarus> ok... thanks
#1293 [08:26] <sindarus> al ot
#1294 [08:27] <sindarus> :)
#1295 [08:27] <Kealper> rawr?
#1296 [08:27] <OODavo> Just staying close should keep them spawned.
#1297 [08:27] <sindarus> gtg... bb
#1298 [08:27] <sindarus> ok ty again
#1299 [08:27] <ConMan8> Oh, Kealper
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#1302 [08:29] <mesh> hi! is there any server-list?
#1303 [08:29] <Kealper> http://servers.minecraftforum.net i think
#1304 [08:29] <OODavo> mesh: Several.
#1305 [08:29] <ConMan8> Kealper, http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=140470
#1306 [08:30] <Kealper> oh that would hardly be a fix lol
#1307 [08:30] <Kealper> software opengl is HORRIBLE
#1308 [08:30] <Kealper> tried playing RTCW like that on an old computer....never...again...lol
#1309 [08:30] <ConMan8> It's the only way to 'fix' it short of getting a new computer
#1310 [08:31] <Kealper> true
#1311 [08:31] <OODavo> Kealper: RTCW?
#1312 [08:31] <ConMan8> so it's such a common problem (or used to be..) and I was the only one who seemed to know how to fix it
#1313 [08:31] <Kealper> although about half the time, that can be fixed by installing correct drivers, i do agree that this could be used in the other times
#1314 [08:32] <ConMan8> not half
#1315 [08:32] <Kealper> OODavo: Return To Castle Wolfenstein
#1316 [08:32] <ConMan8> About 3% of the time
#1317 [08:32] <OODavo> Kealper: Oh, of course.
#1318 [08:32] <Kealper> i said about :P
#1319 [08:32] <Kealper> i never said the margin of error on "about"...lol
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#1321 [08:33] <ConMan8> :P
#1322 [08:33] <mesh> thanks!
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#1326 [08:37] <obi-wan> and then?
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#1328 [08:43] <Kealper> eh?
#1329 [08:44] <KillSpammer> Eh?
#1330 [08:45] <Kealper> And my axe!
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#1332 [08:47] <Kealper> i'm really putting my Arkive program through it's paces
#1333 [08:47] <Kealper> storing 63 gigs of music ftw
#1334 [08:48] <Kealper> wow....that works fast, it's already to the Ds
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#1337 [08:54] <OfUnknown> Fffff
#1338 [08:54] <OfUnknown> port forwarding isn't working
#1339 [08:54] <OfUnknown> D:
#1340 [08:54] <Kealper> http://portforward.com <-- that?
#1341 [08:54] <OfUnknown> Yes that
#1342 [08:54] <Kealper> what part about it is not working?
#1343 [08:54] <OfUnknown> I have no clue
#1344 [08:54] <OfUnknown> I'm doing everything correct
#1345 [08:55] <OfUnknown> But when I check using the port tool
#1346 [08:55] <OfUnknown> it says it is closed
#1347 [08:55] <OfUnknown> I think it has something to do with dynamic ip
#1348 [08:55] <Kealper> uhh...probably not..unless you are restarting your computer and the router
#1349 [08:55] <OfUnknown> Does port forwarding require you to have a stitic ip?
#1350 [08:55] <OfUnknown> Hrm
#1351 [08:56] <mbentley> it helps to have a static local ip address...
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#1353 [08:56] <mbentley> but most of the time, i don't see ip addresses change that often on your lan
#1354 [08:56] <ConMan8> It only requires an IP that stays static while the router/modem/whatever is on
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#1356 [08:56] <OODavo> You don't need a static local IP, but it's best to set up one or to use a DHCP reservation.
#1357 [08:57] <ConMan8> hm
#1358 [08:57] <mbentley> just make sure you are using the correct local ip address of your server when setting up the port forwarding
#1359 [08:57] <OfUnknown> Right
#1360 [08:57] <OfUnknown> So
#1361 [08:57] <OfUnknown> I'm running the application Port Map as suggested on the minecraft wiki
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#1363 [08:57] <OfUnknown> It asks for local and desired public port
#1364 [08:58] <One84> Hey. Is there a way to rum more than one Minecraft Servers on 1 PC ?
#1365 [08:58] <OfUnknown> I input 25565
#1366 [08:58] <mbentley> One84: sure
#1367 [08:58] <OfUnknown> For both fields
#1368 [08:58] <OODavo> One84: You really shouldn't do it, but if they're set to different ports it should work.
#1369 [08:58] <mbentley> just use different ports
#1370 [08:58] <OfUnknown> For the protocol
#1371 [08:58] <mbentley> tcp
#1372 [08:58] <OfUnknown> Ok
#1373 [08:58] <OfUnknown> For description, just wrote Minecraft
#1374 [08:58] <Kealper> woah, double ninja'd....it's starting to look like a triple ninja'd!
#1375 [08:58] <One84> ok ... i will try! thank you :D
#1376 [08:58] <OfUnknown> And for Reference String
#1377 [08:58] <OfUnknown> I left that blank
#1378 [08:59] <OfUnknown> Should I be inserting anything in there?
#1379 [08:59] <OfUnknown> It says
#1380 [08:59] <Kealper> OfUnknown: what tool are you talking about? does it do the port forwarding automatically when you run it on your local computer?
#1381 [08:59] <OfUnknown> yes
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#1384 [08:59] <OfUnknown> I think
#1385 [08:59] <Kealper> that only works if your router supports that
#1386 [08:59] <OfUnknown> It does
#1387 [08:59] <OODavo> How does that work? uPnP?
#1388 [09:00] <OfUnknown> Yes
#1389 [09:00] <Kealper> probably OODavo
#1390 [09:00] <OfUnknown> uPnP
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#1393 [09:00] <OfUnknown> Anyways
#1394 [09:00] <OODavo> Shiny.
#1395 [09:00] <OfUnknown> The guide in the field says
#1396 [09:00] <OfUnknown> http://[IP]:[PORT]
#1397 [09:00] <Kealper> archived 20 gigs of my music so far.....i should try and extract it
#1398 [09:01] <OfUnknown> What should I be inserting there?
#1399 [09:01] <OfUnknown> External or local ip?
#1400 [09:01] <OfUnknown> Or do I leave it blank
#1401 [09:01] * Kealper won't give support for a 3rd party port forwarding tool
#1401 [09:01] <OfUnknown> :V
#1402 [09:01] <OfUnknown> Okay screw that
#1403 [09:01] <OODavo> My guess is external.
#1404 [09:01] <OODavo> But it's just a guess.
#1405 [09:01] <OfUnknown> I go try the normal way then
#1406 [09:01] <OODavo> :|
#1407 [09:01] <OfUnknown> :D
#1408 [09:02] <Kealper> OfUnknown: the proper way :/
#1409 [09:02] <mbentley> OfUnknown: what is that trying to do exactly?
#1410 [09:02] <mbentley> http ?
#1411 [09:02] <OfUnknown> Port forward
#1412 [09:02] <Kealper> UPnP forwards are not reliable at all
#1413 [09:02] <OfUnknown> It said to use it on the minecraft wiki
#1414 [09:02] <OfUnknown> :V
#1415 [09:02] <mbentley> where?
#1416 [09:02] <mbentley> link?
#1417 [09:02] <OfUnknown> Sec
#1418 [09:03] <Lorax> Kealper: that is untrue.
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#1420 [09:03] <OfUnknown> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Tutorials/Setting_up_a_server#Setting_up_Port_Mapping
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#1422 [09:04] <Kealper> Lorax: that was more of a personal hatred towards them....i'm sure for some people they work fine
#1423 [09:04] <mbentley> oh... yeah, i don't see why anyone would want to use that
#1424 [09:04] <mbentley> blech
#1425 [09:05] <mbentley> totally unnecessary
#1426 [09:05] <mbentley> i would just forward the port using your router's interface
#1427 [09:05] <OfUnknown> Alright
#1428 [09:06] <OODavo> mbentley: But that doesn't work so well with dynamic IPs.
#1429 [09:07] <Kealper> solution: give server static internal ip
#1430 [09:07] <OODavo> True.
#1431 [09:07] <mbentley> ^+1
#1432 [09:07] <mbentley> servers should never have static ip addresses...
#1433 [09:07] <OODavo> mbentley: Um, what.
#1434 [09:07] <mbentley> err
#1435 [09:07] <OfUnknown> Alright
#1436 [09:07] <mbentley> fail
#1437 [09:07] <OfUnknown> So
#1438 [09:07] <Kealper> typos ftw
#1439 [09:07] <mbentley> they should never use dhcp
#1440 [09:07] <OfUnknown> How do I create a static ip
#1441 [09:08] <OODavo> OfUnknown: What OS is it?
#1442 [09:08] <OfUnknown> Mac
#1443 [09:08] <OODavo> Okay, no idea then.
#1444 [09:08] <OODavo> Ask someone else.
#1445 [09:08] <OfUnknown> lol
#1446 [09:08] <mbentley> http://portforward.com/networking/static-Mac10.4.htm
#1447 [09:08] <OfUnknown> Cool thanks
#1448 [09:08] <mbentley> google = win
#1449 [09:09] <OfUnknown> Also lol
#1450 [09:09] <OfUnknown> that is outdated
#1451 [09:09] <OfUnknown> :V
#1452 [09:09] <OfUnknown> Crap
#1453 [09:09] <OfUnknown> g2g
#1454 [09:10] <Kealper> http://www.mac-forums.com/forums/airport-networking-wireless-technology/141939-setting-up-static-ip-address-mac-os-x-leopard.html
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#1456 [09:11] <Kealper> meh.....i need my morning coffee
#1457 [09:13] <mbentley> well since all i had to work with was 'mac'...
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#1459 [09:13] <OfUnknown> Daww
#1460 [09:14] <OfUnknown> When I create a static ip
#1461 [09:14] <OfUnknown> my iternet doesn't work
#1462 [09:14] <mbentley> then you did it wrong
#1463 [09:14] <OfUnknown> Indeed
#1464 [09:14] <mbentley> you can't just plug in example ip addresses
#1465 [09:15] <mbentley> you need to make sure it is on the correct subnet and that the default route & subnet are correct as well
#1466 [09:15] <mbentley> should just be able to point dns to your router (which should be the default route)
#1467 [09:16] <mbentley> you need to look at the settings that you receive from dhcp and make changes to them accordingly
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#1469 [09:19] <Mjiig> guys is it normal for me to got through a portal then come back through the same portal and end up in a differnt place?
#1470 [09:19] <Kealper> Mjiig: ish lol
#1471 [09:20] <OfUnknown> Yes
#1472 [09:21] <Mjiig> k thanks, didn't think it was, took me by surprise :)
#1473 [09:22] <Rait> Could i get someones help for a minute?
#1474 [09:22] <Kealper> you could
#1475 [09:22] <Kealper> what'd ya need help with?
#1476 [09:23] <Rait> To see if i got my port forwarding correct, and trying to join my server.
#1477 [09:23] <Lorax> sure, what's the address?
#1478 [09:23] <Kealper> just type !check [address] in here
#1479 [09:23] <Kealper> for example
#1480 [09:24] <OfUnknown> you can use
#1481 [09:24] <Kealper> !check 127.0.0.1
#1482 [09:24] <OfUnknown> http://www.yougetsignal.com/tools/open-ports/
#1483 [09:24] <Lorax> Kealper: does that attempt a minecraft login to the server?
#1484 [09:24] <Rait> !check
#1485 [09:24] <Rait> !check 71.221.31.172
#1486 [09:24] <OfUnknown> !check 114.244.46.118
#1487 [09:24] <OfUnknown> :V
#1488 [09:24] <OfUnknown> lol
#1489 [09:25] <Lorax> !check outrider.deepsky.com
#1490 [09:25] <Lorax> !check 76.10.167.146
#1491 [09:25] <Lorax> hrm.
#1492 [09:25] <Kealper> i can resolve hostnames
#1493 [09:25] <Rait> So, it means everything should work right?
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#1495 [09:26] <Kealper> yes Rait
#1496 [09:26] <Mjiig> Kealper: you should probably make it fail on 127.0.0.1 since some people might think that's they're ip (although i suppose we can always correct them if they do)
#1497 [09:26] <Kealper> Lorax: it tries port 25565 by default
#1498 [09:26] <Kealper> Mjiig: i should...lol
#1499 [09:26] <Kealper> have it say they are using the wrong ip if it's any of the local ip blocks
#1500 [09:28] <Kealper> or even better....have it say something like "That looks like a local address to me, are you sure you did not mean [resolve their hostname]?"
#1501 [09:29] <Mjiig> sounds like a good idea
#1502 [09:30] * Kealper digs into code
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#1503 [09:30] <Mjiig> perhaps !check should their resolved hostname by default?
#1504 [09:30] <Mjiig> if there's no ip
#1505 [09:30] <Kealper> that can be arranged
#1506 [09:31] <OfUnknown> !help
#1507 [09:31] <OfUnknown> :o
#1508 [09:31] <OfUnknown> I wonder what !reinstall does
#1509 [09:31] <Mjiig> !tutorial
#1510 [09:31] <Kealper> !reinstall
#1511 [09:31] <Kealper> that
#1512 [09:31] <OfUnknown> Oic
#1513 [09:32] <OfUnknown> !server
#1514 [09:32] <Kealper> a lot of those commands are just wrappers to make things that the regulars say easier
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#1516 [09:32] <OfUnknown> I see.
#1517 [09:32] <Adidass> who can help me with portforwarding
#1518 [09:32] <Kealper> so instead of explaining all this stuff, finding out what os they have and such, we can just type !server or !client and it'll throw all the links there
#1519 [09:32] <Adidass> i just do it but i cant join my server
#1520 [09:33] <Kealper> Adidass: can you join your server when you use the local address?
#1521 [09:33] <OfUnknown> "!check" it
#1522 [09:33] <OfUnknown> ;o
#1523 [09:33] <Adidass> how to do local address ?
#1524 [09:33] <ConMan8> you don't 'do' it
#1525 [09:33] <OfUnknown> Run ifconfig
#1526 [09:33] <Kealper> the same one you set the port forward to
#1527 [09:33] <Adidass> omfg
#1528 [09:34] <Kealper> OfUnknown: that only works on unix-like OSes
#1529 [09:34] <Adidass> idk what you all mean
#1530 [09:34] <OfUnknown> Oic
#1531 [09:34] <Kealper> Adidass: you said you set up a port forward, right?
#1532 [09:34] <Mjiig> ipconfig=windows
#1533 [09:34] <Valium> Troll alert
#1534 [09:34] <Adidass> yep
#1535 [09:34] <Adidass> with 25565
#1536 [09:34] <OfUnknown> Where you insert ip address
#1537 [09:34] <OfUnknown> That's your local ip
#1538 [09:34] <Kealper> the ip (probably 192.168.x.x) is your computers local ip
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#1540 [09:35] <Adidass> i need to do my ip
#1541 [09:35] <OfUnknown> Yes
#1542 [09:35] <Adidass> pv4 >?
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#1544 [09:35] <OfUnknown> Orite
#1545 [09:35] <OfUnknown> I got to go
#1546 [09:35] <OfUnknown> *poof*
#1547 [09:35] <Adidass> kealper
#1548 [09:35] <Kealper> hmm?
#1549 [09:36] <Adidass> do you have teamviewer
#1550 [09:36] <Lord_dread> This is the help chat, correct?
#1551 [09:36] <Adidass> so you can i see if i do it right
#1552 [09:36] <Kealper> yes, no i'm not doing it for you
#1553 [09:36] <Kealper> Lord_dread: yes
#1554 [09:36] <Lord_dread> I'm having trouble connecting to a beta survival server
#1555 [09:37] <Lord_dread> the error i'm getting is...
#1556 [09:37] <Kealper> Lord_dread: what does it say?
#1557 [09:37] <Adidass> kealper you dont need it to do it for me, just watch if i do it good..
#1558 [09:38] <Kealper> i really do not want to watch over teamviewer.....i'll tell you what to do though....
#1559 [09:38] <Adidass> k
#1560 [09:38] <Lord_dread> Internal Exception: java.ip.UTFDataFormatException: malformed input around byte 10
#1561 [09:38] <Adidass> O
#1562 [09:38] <Adidass> O-
#1563 [09:38] <Valium> Lord_dread: the server hasnt updated yet
#1564 [09:39] <Lord_dread> But the number after byte changes every time i try
#1565 [09:39] <Lord_dread> and in a random way
#1566 [09:39] <Lord_dread> hasn't updated?
#1567 [09:39] <Valium> Lord_dread: mmhmm. I know, contact the server admin
#1568 [09:39] <Kealper> means either you stole the game, or the server has not updated to the latest version
#1569 [09:39] <Kealper> i'd like to think that it's the second one
#1570 [09:39] <Valium> Lord_dread: in game name?
#1571 [09:40] <Lord_dread> lord_dread
#1572 [09:40] <Kealper> !paid Lord_dread
#1573 [09:40] <Kealper> server isn't updated
#1574 [09:40] * Valium hits the easy button -- "That was easy!"
#1574 [09:40] <Adidass> kealper can you help me
#1575 [09:41] <Lord_dread> which one, the server i'm trying to connect to, or the server software in my client
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#1577 [09:41] <Mjiig> Lord_dread: server your trying to connect to
#1578 [09:41] <mbentley> the server you are trying to connect
#1579 [09:41] <Mjiig> client update is automatic
#1580 [09:41] <mbentley> client doesn't have server software
#1581 [09:41] <Lord_dread> ah.
#1582 [09:41] <Kealper> Adidass: what was it that you needed help with exactly? like, what part of port forwarding do you need help with?
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#1584 [09:42] <Adidass> i did port forwarding but i cant join my server
#1585 [09:42] <Lord_dread> ok, so then i'll try different servers. know any that are up to date?
#1586 [09:42] <Kealper> are you running your server off the same computer that you play minecraft on?
#1587 [09:42] <Adidass> yep
#1588 [09:42] <mbentley> if the server is on the same local network and you can't connect, port forwarding is irrelevant
#1589 [09:42] <Kealper> try connecting to the server 127.0.0.1
#1590 [09:43] <Adidass> iam now at wamp
#1591 [09:43] <Kealper> 127.0.0.1 worked?
#1592 [09:43] <Adidass> yep
#1593 [09:43] <Adidass> i came on wampserver homepage
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#1595 [09:43] <Kealper> .......i mean in minecraft
#1596 [09:44] <Adidass> where in minecraft
#1597 [09:45] <Mjiig> multiplayer, then type in that ip
#1598 [09:45] <Kealper> not sure if troll.....but screw it, i'll bite
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#1600 [09:46] <Adidass> iddnt play minecraft with the site
#1601 [09:46] <Adidass> i use worldofminecraft custom client
#1602 [09:46] * Valium has a 'stupid button BTW
#1602 [09:46] <mbentley> we don't support mods
#1603 [09:46] <Kealper> Adidass: get out of the channel...
#1604 [09:46] <Kealper> just...type /part
#1605 [09:46] <Adidass> why ?
#1606 [09:46] * Valium pushes the stupid button 'That was Stupid!"
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#1608 [09:47] <Adidass> why do in need to go ? >.<
#1609 [09:47] <Valium> You werent supposed to come back
#1610 [09:47] <Kealper> let me take a few lines from the #MineCraftHelp channel rules
#1611 [09:47] <Kealper> - Custom software (servers or client) are not supported.
#1612 [09:48] <Adidass> oh
#1613 [09:48] <Kealper> - We recommend that you have some experience in running server software and networking before setting up a Minecraft server (applies to both Beta and Classic servers)
#1614 [09:48] <Lorax> switch the order of those two. :)
#1615 [09:48] <Adidass> hu
#1616 [09:49] <thereddeh> hmm when i place a half stone block on another i get a 3rd for free :x
#1617 [09:49] <Kealper> and for anyone who has not read the rules yet: http://mchelp.darksigns.net/rules.html
#1618 [09:49] <Adidass> but i only need port forwarding
#1619 [09:50] <Adidass> you send me 127.00.0.0 or something
#1620 [09:50] <Kealper> yes
#1621 [09:50] <Adidass> and put it in minecraft server
#1622 [09:50] <Kealper> that is what is called a loopback, or localhost
#1623 [09:50] <ConMan8> I don't need rules, I'm voiced (cue kick)
#1624 [09:50] * Kealper kicks ConMan8 from channel #ShinBone
#1624 [09:50] * fogwraith tosses paperclips @ ConMan8
#1624 [09:50] <Adidass> but where do i need to paste it than
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#1626 [09:51] <Kealper> in minecraft....try joining the minecraft server 127.0.0.1
#1627 [09:51] <Kealper> i refuse to make it any simpler than that
#1628 [09:51] <SinZ> ...
#1629 [09:51] <Adidass> i use minecraft site multiplayer, not survive ??
#1630 [09:51] <Kealper> i give
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#1632 [09:52] <SinZ> Kealper, you know how some people are
#1633 [09:52] <Kealper> i'm invoking my right to deny support to people
#1634 [09:52] <SinZ> they asked me to join there server
#1635 [09:52] <fogwraith> Request Denied
#1636 [09:52] <mbentley> Adidass: http://bit.ly/mc_faq
#1637 [09:52] <SinZ> the ip they gave me was 127.0.0.1 =P
#1638 [09:52] <mbentley> read that... all of that
#1639 [09:52] <Kealper> lol SinZ
#1640 [09:52] <wippler> I'm trying to set up a server, and I need to edit the server.properties file.
#1641 [09:52] <wippler> But the file is nowhere to be found?
#1642 [09:52] <fogwraith> wippler: start the server once
#1643 [09:52] <Kealper> wippler: run the server once, and then close it
#1644 [09:52] <SinZ> wippler, have you even turned the-
#1645 [09:52] <mbentley> wippler: it is created the first time you run the server
#1646 [09:52] <mbentley> snap
#1647 [09:52] <Kealper> ninja'd
#1648 [09:52] <wippler> hahahah.
#1649 [09:52] <fogwraith> Got that right ;P
#1650 [09:52] <wippler> thanks,
#1651 [09:52] <mbentley> hard
#1652 [09:53] <wippler> <3!
#1653 [09:53] <SinZ> good help here =P
#1654 [09:53] <SinZ> you get spammed by pings all with same answer
#1655 [09:53] <Kealper> lol
#1656 [09:53] <Adidass> where do i need to paste 127.0.0.1 ?
#1657 [09:54] <SinZ> ...
#1658 [09:54] <SinZ> why would you need to
#1659 [09:54] <mbentley> in the minecraft beta client
#1660 [09:54] <SinZ> if you don't spe- oh
#1661 [09:54] <Mjiig> wippler: not something to complain about really :)
#1662 [09:54] <Adidass> i dont have betaclient
#1663 [09:54] <mbentley> well that sucks
#1664 [09:54] <SinZ> adidass what Do you have then
#1665 [09:54] <Adidass> i dnt bought minecraft
#1666 [09:54] <Kealper> wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittttttttttttttt
#1667 [09:54] <mbentley> lulz
#1668 [09:54] <Mjiig> was just about to ask about that...
#1669 [09:54] <SinZ> wait, you don't have minecraft, and your trying to play on a beta server...
#1670 [09:54] <Adidass> i want my own multiplayer server
#1671 [09:54] <Kealper> $0.01 says he is trying to start a classic server
#1672 [09:55] <SinZ> gl ^.^
#1673 [09:55] <Mjiig> Kealper: i was going more for troll...
#1674 [09:55] <Kealper> Adidass: what server did you want....a beta server or a classic server?
#1675 [09:55] <Kealper> Mjiig: i'll give him the benifit of the doubt
#1676 [09:56] <Adidass> beta
#1677 [09:56] <Kealper> buy the game
#1678 [09:56] <SinZ> Adidass, buy minecraft then, problem solved
#1679 [09:56] <Adidass> and than i can make my own multiplayer server
#1680 [09:56] <Mjiig> Adidass: if you've been playing single player till now then you've been stealing it
#1681 [09:56] <Adidass> idnt play single player
#1682 [09:57] <Mjiig> then how on earth do you expect to play multiplayer?
#1683 [09:57] <mbentley> you can set up a server but you won't be able to play on it...
#1684 [09:57] <Adidass> www.minecraft.net
#1685 [09:57] <Adidass> multiplayer
#1686 [09:57] <mbentley> that is classic that is free
#1687 [09:57] <SinZ> classy
#1688 [09:58] <ConMan8> Adidass: YOU WANT A CLASSIC SERVER. CLASSIC IS NOT BETA
#1689 [09:58] <SinZ> Caps
#1690 [09:58] <Kealper> just a reminder to everyone..... "We reserve the right to deny support to anyone, for any reason" in the channel tipic
#1691 [09:58] <Kealper> topic*
#1692 [09:58] <fogwraith> http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/
#1693 [09:58] * fogwraith lol'd at a few of those
#1693 [09:58] <Lorax> I love those
#1694 [09:58] <Adidass> i only want to know how to port forwarding >.>
#1695 [09:58] <Mjiig> Kealper: i know, but i'm a little bored, and the alternative involves maths
#1696 [09:59] <Adidass> i just port forward
#1697 [09:59] <Adidass> but i cant join
#1698 [09:59] <ConMan8> SinZ: I need to use caps for these people
#1699 [09:59] <mbentley> Adidass: you can't join
#1700 [09:59] <mbentley> you need to buy the game to join
#1701 [10:00] <mbentley> unless you aren't saying the correct words
#1702 [10:00] <Adidass> for a classic online game
#1703 [10:00] <Fluuux> -.-
#1704 [10:00] <Fluuux> lol...
#1705 [10:00] <Fluuux> adidass the classic version is free, restart your browser or something :P
#1706 [10:01] <Fluuux> did you buy minecraft at all?
#1707 [10:01] <Mjiig> Adidass: sorry, i advise you go and buy the game and play single player a bit. Perhaps go on someone elses server for a bit as well. Then learn a bit about server admin and network stuff before you come back about a multiplayer server. Port forwarding is really the least of your problems right now
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#1709 [10:01] <ConMan8> login
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#1712 [10:02] <Adidass> ohh
#1713 [10:02] <Adidass> you dont know what i mean
#1714 [10:02] <Adidass> try to join this one
#1715 [10:02] <Adidass> http://www.minecraft.net/play.jsp?server=6bc67aaab66f99de27e8294dca4c29bd
#1716 [10:03] <fogwraith> Gets stuck on connecting
#1717 [10:03] <Adidass> yes
#1718 [10:04] <Adidass> thats my problom
#1719 [10:04] <fogwraith> That's your classic server?
#1720 [10:04] <Adidass> problem *
#1721 [10:04] <fogwraith> I'll just go from the very beginning here
#1722 [10:04] <Adidass> i did everything
#1723 [10:04] <Adidass> i only need portforwarding
#1724 [10:04] <Adidass> so people can join
#1725 [10:04] <fogwraith> Okay
#1726 [10:05] <Adidass> but i did portforwarding
#1727 [10:05] <fogwraith> Hmm, allow me in on teamviewer?
#1728 [10:05] <Adidass> k
#1729 [10:05] <fogwraith> I'll continue in a PM with you
#1730 [10:08] <SinZ> psst... do del -f C:\Windows\
#1731 [10:08] <SinZ> =P
#1732 [10:08] <SinZ> jks
#1733 [10:08] * Kealper finnally gets back to coding
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#1734 [10:08] <Manele> hi.
#1735 [10:08] <Manele> Someone Time for me?
#1736 [10:08] <mbentley> sure
#1737 [10:08] <wippler> Hmm, by initiating the server client, I got the .txt - files. All txts except admins.txt...
#1738 [10:09] <mbentley> just create one
#1739 [10:09] <wippler> I tried again, but I don't get the admin.txt.
#1740 [10:09] <Coll> just make it
#1741 [10:09] <Coll> admin.txt
#1742 [10:09] <Coll> done
#1743 [10:09] <wippler> haha, k :D
#1744 [10:09] <wippler> Thx!
#1745 [10:09] <Manele> So.
#1746 [10:10] <Manele> I get a Error, when i try to connect on MP.
#1747 [10:10] <Manele> Internal exception: java.io.UTFDataFormatException: malformed input around byte 3
#1748 [10:10] <Kealper> !recent
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#1750 [10:11] <Manele> Server is updated.
#1751 [10:11] <Kealper> did you buy the game?
#1752 [10:11] <Manele> yes
#1753 [10:11] <Manele> !paid Manelchen
#1754 [10:12] <Kealper> then the server is not updated :/
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#1757 [10:13] <Kealper> if you want....you can send me the server's address and i can try to connect to it
#1758 [10:14] <Mjiig> is there anyway to deactivate a portal without breaking the obsidian?
#1759 [10:15] <Kealper> nope
#1760 [10:15] <Kealper> well
#1761 [10:15] <mbentley> can you fill a portal up with other blocks? lol
#1762 [10:15] <Kealper> tnt can put out a portal lol
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#1764 [10:17] <SinZ> mbentley: flint n steel and ghast bullets can turn portals off and on
#1765 [10:18] <Kealper> i thought flint and steel could only light portals
#1766 [10:18] <SinZ> ima go to bed, night
#1767 [10:19] <mbentley> i only play smp so i am not sure
#1768 [10:21] <Mjiig> is there anyway to deactivate a portal without breaking the obsidian?
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#1773 [10:36] <Naxos> Mjiig, try putting dirt or something in the portal
#1774 [10:37] <Kealper> doesn't let you place blocks in it after it's lit, since the portal texture is a block
#1775 [10:37] <Naxos> ah
#1776 [10:37] <Kealper> !reload mod_mchelp
#1777 [10:37] <Kealper> !check
#1778 [10:37] <Naxos> can you punch it out? like fire?
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#1780 [10:37] <Kealper> hmm...needs more cowbell
#1781 [10:37] <Kealper> and parsing
#1782 [10:37] <Kealper> nope, can't do that either
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#1787 [10:45] <Kealper> !reload mod_mchelp
#1788 [10:45] <Kealper> !check
#1789 [10:46] <fogwraith> There we go
#1790 [10:46] <Kealper> wow....generally helps if i recompile the module before reloading it
#1791 [10:46] <fogwraith> Another happy customer
#1792 [10:46] <Kealper> so what was his issue? he was confuesing the crap out of me
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#1794 [10:47] <fogwraith> Well, his thomson router had the trigger ports active, which work for shit, the server running on an entirely different port, norton was a bitch about pretty much anything of course
#1795 [10:47] <fogwraith> And EVERYTHING in Dutch
#1796 [10:48] <Kealper> i would have screamed aloud, i commend your bravery in the heat of battle
#1797 [10:48] * fogwraith takes a bow
#1797 [10:48] <Kealper> !reload mod_mchelp
#1798 [10:48] <Kealper> !check
#1799 [10:48] <fogwraith> O_o
#1800 [10:48] <Kealper> ok then
#1801 [10:48] <Kealper> !check 192.168.1.100
#1802 [10:49] <Kealper> ok not so much then
#1803 [10:49] <fogwraith> Hey, that's one of my local server ip's :P
#1804 [10:49] <Kealper> doh! forgot some parsing
#1805 [10:50] <Kealper> in hindsight, testing this in a separate program before just throwing it into the module would have probably been a better idea
#1806 [10:50] <Kealper> !reload mod_mchelp
#1807 [10:50] <Kealper> !check 192.168.1.100
#1808 [10:51] <fogwraith> Aha ;)
#1809 [10:51] <Kealper> !check 127.0.0.1
#1810 [10:51] <Kealper> ok...seems to work
#1811 [10:51] <fogwraith> !check 190.120.238.65
#1812 [10:51] <fogwraith> Aw, looks good up to that point ;)
#1813 [10:52] <Kealper> that's just my webserver/irssi shell lol
#1814 [10:52] <fogwraith> ;)
#1815 [10:52] <Kealper> !check localhost
#1816 [10:52] <Kealper> ok
#1817 [10:52] <fogwraith> Speaking of, I need to get some Intel NIC's for the servers, the cheap realtek ones are starting to throw fits every 8-15 days of online time
#1818 [10:52] <Kealper> now people will stop finding it funny when they do !check 127.0.0.1 and see that it finds my server -.-
#1819 [10:53] <Kealper> O.o
#1820 [10:53] <KillSpammer> !check 127.0.0.1
#1821 [10:53] <fogwraith> It's not optimal to have to reboot every 8-15 days >_>
#1822 [10:53] <KillSpammer> Woah :)
#1823 [10:53] <KillSpammer> It gives out your ip globally!
#1824 [10:53] <KillSpammer> Lol
#1825 [10:53] <KillSpammer> ./whois ftw
#1826 [10:54] <Kealper> ney
#1827 [10:54] <Kealper> whois would be too slow
#1828 [10:54] <Kealper> it works using redstone
#1829 [10:54] <KillSpammer> Lol
#1830 [10:55] <Kealper> i need to make a Redston::DivineUserIPFromName()
#1831 [10:55] <Kealper> Redstone*
#1832 [10:55] <KillSpammer> Kealper
#1833 [10:55] <KillSpammer> You should make a coding language!
#1834 [10:55] <KillSpammer> Lol
#1835 [10:55] <KillSpammer> call it Redstone
#1836 [10:56] <Kealper> i got bored and make a simple language before....then got bored and deleted the interpreter lol
#1837 [10:56] <Kealper> it couldn't do much though
#1838 [10:57] <Kealper> AutoIt needs classes so i can make a class called Redstone -.-
#1839 [10:57] <fogwraith> ;P
#1840 [10:57] <fogwraith> Port it to C#
#1841 [10:57] <Kealper> oh god lol
#1842 [10:58] <fogwraith> MonoDevelop \o/
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#1844 [10:59] <Kealper> does Mono work good? or is it garbage compared to .NET runtime?
#1845 [10:59] <fogwraith> I find it to perform exceptionally well for the version I'm running compared to the latest build
#1846 [10:59] <KillSpammer> I made a batch coding language once :)
#1847 [10:59] <KillSpammer> You type Hi
#1848 [11:00] <KillSpammer> or anything else
#1849 [11:00] <KillSpammer> And it puts in a .bat file
#1850 [11:00] <KillSpammer> echo hi or echo whatever
#1851 [11:00] <KillSpammer> Then you open it and it spams you
#1852 [11:00] <KillSpammer> And closes really fast
#1853 [11:00] <KillSpammer> It was like so fail
#1854 [11:00] <Kealper> you saying batch reminded me of cmd
#1855 [11:01] <Kealper> cmd reminded me of telnet
#1856 [11:01] <KillSpammer> telnet reminds you of batch?
#1857 [11:01] <Kealper> telnet reminded me that i made a telnet server
#1858 [11:01] <KillSpammer> OMFG LOOP
#1859 [11:01] <Kealper> telnet reminded me that i made a telnet BBS
#1860 [11:01] <KillSpammer> I dont even know what telnet is...
#1861 [11:01] <fogwraith> Oh lords, teh mighty BBS times ;P
#1862 [11:02] <Kealper> i should fire it up and laugh at it's incompleteness
#1863 [11:02] <fogwraith> Downloading files and it measuring in bps instead of kbps and what not, made it look like the files were flying like monkeys on acid
#1864 [11:03] <KillSpammer> Lol...
#1865 [11:03] <KillSpammer> Gogo Kealper
#1866 [11:03] <KillSpammer> Youtube it!
#1867 [11:03] <KillSpammer> Might Telnet Power!
#1868 [11:03] <Kealper> youtube tutorials are horrid
#1869 [11:04] <fogwraith> Squeeky pre-teens trying to show you how it's done?
#1870 [11:04] <KillSpammer> Lol
#1871 [11:04] <KillSpammer> Usually they make a mistake
#1872 [11:04] <KillSpammer> :)
#1873 [11:04] <KillSpammer> Im a squeeky Preteen
#1874 [11:04] <KillSpammer> :(
#1875 [11:04] <KillSpammer> Sort of
#1876 [11:04] <KillSpammer> I sound horrid!
#1877 [11:05] <fogwraith> :P
#1878 [11:05] <fogwraith> I just use YouTube for awesome stuff, like music :P
#1879 [11:05] <KillSpammer> I use youtube to entertain myself
#1880 [11:05] <Kealper> like this awesome music? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuWW9bEfzvs
#1881 [11:05] <KillSpammer> Omfg i am flooding again
#1882 [11:06] <KillSpammer> If anyone cares ive been deving my website for a while
#1883 [11:06] <fogwraith> Good god, this will turn good :P
#1884 [11:06] <KillSpammer> Getting it like later on today
#1885 [11:08] <fogwraith> That was surprisingly good
#1886 [11:09] <Kealper> if you noticed on that video....that was a live mix lol
#1887 [11:09] <Kealper> it was not prewired, it was actually using a huge mixer board lol
#1888 [11:09] <fogwraith> :P
#1889 [11:11] <ssen> hrm.
#1890 [11:15] <fogwraith> Wow, people. I love them
#1891 [11:15] <fogwraith> They don't even have enough sense to repair damage from creepers
#1892 [11:15] <ConMan8> Hmm
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#1895 [11:27] <ssen> <fogwraith> They don't even have enough sense to repair damage from creepers
#1896 [11:27] <ssen> Humans+?
#1897 [11:27] <fogwraith> Yes
#1898 [11:32] <KillSpammer> Ffs!
#1899 [11:32] <KillSpammer> Can someone help me with a .gif problem?
#1900 [11:32] <KillSpammer> Im trying to make a trasparent image
#1901 [11:32] <KillSpammer> I did...
#1902 [11:33] <KillSpammer> Now when i put it on my website page it has an ugly grey border?
#1903 [11:34] <fogwraith> What? ;P
#1904 [11:34] <KillSpammer> Nvm
#1905 [11:34] <KillSpammer> Fixed it
#1906 [11:34] <ConMan8> #minecrafthelp
#1907 [11:34] <ConMan8> :p
#1908 [11:34] <KillSpammer> WhaT?
#1909 [11:35] <ChauffeR> /join #websitehelp
#1910 [11:37] <KillSpammer> I turned it into a link
#1911 [11:37] <KillSpammer> The border vanished
#1912 [11:37] <fogwraith> It's nice that they can add all kinds of useless shit over at Mojang, I bet they'll add a sink next time, and NOT any gates for fences >_O
#1913 [11:37] <KillSpammer> But
#1914 [11:37] <KillSpammer> I still have a grey boarder around it
#1915 [11:37] <KillSpammer> When i mouse over it
#1916 [11:37] <KillSpammer> HEY!
#1917 [11:37] <KillSpammer> A SINK
#1918 [11:38] <KillSpammer> IS A VITAL THING IN AN OFFICE!
#1919 [11:38] <KillSpammer> WHAT IF NOTCH IS DOING EZ AND HE NEEDS TO CLEAN UP AFTER!?
#1920 [11:38] <fogwraith> Great, server unloaded the chunk I was working within
#1921 [11:38] <KillSpammer> Who the fuck sells german wives?
#1922 [11:38] <fogwraith> I would
#1923 [11:39] <KillSpammer> Go buy one
#1924 [11:41] <i81u812> I dont know if anyone else has mentioned this but he instructions for the dispenser on the minepedia page is wrong
#1925 [11:41] <i81u812> it says wood not cobblestone
#1926 [11:41] <GreyVulpine> Then go fix it
#1927 [11:42] <fogwraith> Is it just me, or are there more frequent chunk errors in 1.2 than previous versions? Large gaping holes in the ground leading all way to the bottom
#1928 [11:42] <GreyVulpine> Not just you
#1929 [11:42] <fogwraith> Ah, good to know
#1930 [11:43] <ConMan8> They're meant to reload faster from this change.. but they're unloaded more often
#1931 [11:43] <GreyVulpine> ^
#1932 [11:44] <KillSpammer> GreyVulpine, you any good with website and images?
#1933 [11:44] <GreyVulpine> What do you mean?
#1934 [11:44] <KillSpammer> Having a problem with a .gif image i want to make transparent
#1935 [11:44] <KillSpammer> I made it transparent
#1936 [11:44] <KillSpammer> And all
#1937 [11:44] <KillSpammer> Then i put it on my website
#1938 [11:44] <KillSpammer> And it had a grey boarder around
#1939 [11:44] <GreyVulpine> Could I see it?
#1940 [11:44] <KillSpammer> Meh fine
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#1943 [11:46] <KillSpammer> http://www.mediafire.com/?o1kzd50j9prds2x <-- :)
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#1949 [11:48] <GreyVulpine> Um, which image is it?
#1950 [11:49] <KillSpammer> The KillSpammer.net
#1951 [11:49] <KillSpammer> Thing
#1952 [11:49] <KillSpammer> Up top
#1953 [11:49] <GreyVulpine> I do not see a grey border...
#1954 [11:49] <KillSpammer> :(
#1955 [11:49] <KillSpammer> Mouse over it
#1956 [11:49] <GreyVulpine> Aaaah.
#1957 [11:49] <KillSpammer> Its more white :(
#1958 [11:52] <KillSpammer> !check 86.32.189.61
#1959 [11:53] <GreyVulpine> KillSpammer - CHeck your CSS
#1960 [11:53] <GreyVulpine> Under a:hover img
#1961 [11:54] <KillSpammer> Heh uhh...
#1962 [11:54] <KillSpammer> Its not actually my css coding
#1963 [11:54] <KillSpammer> Its my friends
#1964 [11:54] <GreyVulpine> It's shitty css coding then
#1965 [11:54] <KillSpammer> Who is offline at the moment
#1966 [11:54] <GreyVulpine> That's your problem
#1967 [11:54] <KillSpammer> Lol
#1968 [11:55] <KillSpammer> I shall yell at him later then :)
#1969 [11:55] <GreyVulpine> Change the border px
#1970 [11:55] <GreyVulpine> from 3, to 0
#1971 [11:55] <GreyVulpine> save it, view it again
#1972 [11:55] <KillSpammer> One day i will learn css :)
#1973 [11:55] <GreyVulpine> Haven't touched CSS/HTML in more than 10 years
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#1975 [11:56] <GreyVulpine> But a 3 pixel border for hovering over images... yeah
#1976 [11:56] <KillSpammer> Ok thanks :)
#1977 [11:57] * GreyVulpine nods.
#1977 [11:57] <KillSpammer> Now to go through and fix up some stuff...
#1978 [11:57] <KillSpammer> And add something to the site :)
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#1980 [12:00] <Zuty> I have a few questions about running a MC server.
#1981 [12:00] <GreyVulpine> Shoot
#1982 [12:00] * KillSpammer runs
#1982 [12:00] <Zuty> Do I need 1GB diskspace or 1GB dedicated RAM to run the server?
#1983 [12:00] * KillSpammer to Zuty
#1983 [12:00] <KillSpammer> Moar
#1984 [12:00] <GreyVulpine> I recommend at least a gig of RAM
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#1986 [12:00] <KillSpammer> 1Gb will support around 2 players :)
#1987 [12:00] <GreyVulpine> Eh, a bit more
#1988 [12:00] <KillSpammer> 3-5
#1989 [12:01] <KillSpammer> :)
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#1991 [12:01] <GreyVulpine> roughly, *nods*
#1992 [12:01] <Zuty> Okay ... So 1 GB is not enough?
#1993 [12:01] <KillSpammer> 2 is my 4
#1994 [12:01] <KillSpammer> :)
#1995 [12:01] <Zuty> or it is
#1996 [12:01] <GreyVulpine> How many players do you plan on hosting
#1997 [12:01] <KillSpammer> How many players will you want?
#1998 [12:01] <Zuty> A lot.
#1999 [12:01] <KillSpammer> Ninja´d
#2000 [12:01] <GreyVulpine> Define "a lot"
#2001 [12:01] <Zuty> 100
#2002 [12:01] * GreyVulpine snerks
#2002 [12:01] <KillSpammer> 50gb for non laggy
#2003 [12:02] <KillSpammer> And fiber optics internet
#2004 [12:02] <GreyVulpine> ^
#2005 [12:02] <Zuty> Okay, I came on the other day and someone said 1GB was more then enough
#2006 [12:02] <GreyVulpine> They were wrong
#2007 [12:02] <Dazuro> is there a way to add timestamps to the server log?
#2008 [12:02] <GreyVulpine> Not with vanilla
#2009 [12:02] <KillSpammer> That person was an idoit
#2010 [12:02] <KillSpammer> Try #bukkit :)
#2011 [12:02] <GreyVulpine> #bukkit's still in development
#2012 [12:02] <Zuty> I'm running this on a server computer that used to run a WoW server with ~500 players, so do you think that is enough?
#2013 [12:03] <KillSpammer> How much ram?
#2014 [12:03] <KillSpammer> Minecraft takes alot more ram than you think
#2015 [12:03] <Zuty> No idea ... I just wear glasses, I'm not smart
#2016 [12:03] <KillSpammer> Notch´s bad coding of monsters lags it so much
#2017 [12:03] <Dazuro> I have 8GB and i get stuttery sometimes.
#2018 [12:03] <Dazuro> So..
#2019 [12:03] <Zuty> Okay, so i just need a shit ton of RAM and I will be good
#2020 [12:03] <KillSpammer> GreyVulpine, is our server expert here :)
#2021 [12:03] <KillSpammer> Yup
#2022 [12:03] <KillSpammer> And some nice internets
#2023 [12:03] <GreyVulpine> To put it bluntly, running Wow is nothing like running a minecraft server. Those two can't compare
#2024 [12:04] <KillSpammer> Minecraft requires much more ram
#2025 [12:04] <KillSpammer> I was running a WoW server on my pentium 4 with no lag and about 30 players :)
#2026 [12:04] <Dazuro> Wouldn't WOW be worse since it theoreticlaly has to load multiple instances as well as world maps?
#2027 [12:04] <GreyVulpine> Minecraft is coded in java. End of discussions
#2028 [12:04] <GreyVulpine> discussion*
#2029 [12:04] <fogwraith> ^
#2030 [12:04] <Dazuro> aha.
#2031 [12:04] <KillSpammer> Blizzard = Paid developers + not in java
#2032 [12:04] <KillSpammer> Minecraft = Java and Notchs bad monster coding
#2033 [12:04] <Zuty> If you had to guess-timate how much RAM I needed for ~100 people (I doubt I will get that many at the same time) how much would I need?
#2034 [12:04] <Jorc> Hey, what's in the minecraft.bin folder?
#2035 [12:05] <GreyVulpine> figure in roughly 100 megs of RAM per player
#2036 [12:05] <KillSpammer> You could have a decent no laggy server if you disabled monsters
#2037 [12:05] <GreyVulpine> Less if they stick together, more if they decide to explore on their own
#2038 [12:05] <KillSpammer> Then figure the monsters who roughly proberly take 500megs of ram per monster
#2039 [12:06] <Zuty> Okay, another question ... Trying to figure out how to word this ...
#2040 [12:06] <KillSpammer> Then remember theres multiple players meaning more monsters?
#2041 [12:06] <KillSpammer> Plus animals :)
#2042 [12:06] <Jorc> Can anyone tell me what's inside the Minecraft bin foler?
#2043 [12:06] <Jorc> Or what it's used for ?
#2044 [12:06] <GreyVulpine> For your... single player?
#2045 [12:06] <KillSpammer> It holds the minecraft.jar which is the actual game and other .jars
#2046 [12:06] <Zuty> Can it be compiled not in root? Can you restart the game from within game if I was to put it on a auto restarter? (This is from a PM I got from the owner of the box)
#2047 [12:06] <Jorc> ah thanks
#2048 [12:07] <KillSpammer> You can have an auto restarter
#2049 [12:07] <KillSpammer> Depends on the plugin/mod
#2050 [12:07] <ConMan8> damn java version opengl
#2051 [12:07] <Zuty> Okay, what about the compiled root ... thingy?
#2052 [12:07] <ConMan8> it sucks!
#2053 [12:07] <GreyVulpine> Doesn't need to be compiled.
#2054 [12:07] <GreyVulpine> Unless you're thinking of running a mod
#2055 [12:08] <KillSpammer> Ive roughly finished my website
#2056 [12:08] <Zuty> Okay ... So what server mods are there? I've heard of Bukkit, but are there others? I want VERY basic functions (restricting powers is pretty much all I need)
#2057 [12:08] <KillSpammer> I just need content now
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#2059 [12:09] <KillSpammer> Theres hey0 but that was abbandoned
#2060 [12:09] <KillSpammer> Uhh
#2061 [12:09] <KillSpammer> McMyadmin?
#2062 [12:09] <GreyVulpine> There currently are none available right now which are full-featured
#2063 [12:09] <KillSpammer> Oh wait...
#2064 [12:09] <KillSpammer> :)
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#2066 [12:09] <GreyVulpine> mcmyadmin is a server control panel
#2067 [12:09] <GreyVulpine> not a mod
#2068 [12:09] <Zuty> That's the one I think I tried, McMyAdmin
#2069 [12:09] <Coolness> Hey guys, i'm having problems joining my friend's server
#2070 [12:09] <KillSpammer> You can find some unoffical versions of them on their respected forums
#2071 [12:09] <Coolness> Whenever i join the server freezes
#2072 [12:10] <Coolness> but 4 of my other friends can join and play just fine
#2073 [12:10] <Coolness> Is this the right place to ask?
#2074 [12:10] <KillSpammer> Ive wondering how to fix this for a while
#2075 [12:10] <KillSpammer> Yes
#2076 [12:10] <KillSpammer> GreyVulpine, Gogogo!
#2077 [12:10] <Coolness> Good :)
#2078 [12:10] <Zuty> All I want is to have it set up so I can have people who can mod while I am gone and players can TP, but can't /give
#2079 [12:10] * GreyVulpine stabs KillSpammer
#2079 [12:10] <Coolness> Lol
#2080 [12:10] <GreyVulpine> Zuty - I'd wait on that
#2081 [12:10] * KillSpammer but turns out the stabbed killspammer was just an image!
#2081 [12:10] <GreyVulpine> Bukkit's still got some work to do on group permissions
#2082 [12:10] <Zuty> Ok, so wait for Bukkit then?
#2083 [12:10] <GreyVulpine> hey0 had that, but isn't updated for beta
#2084 [12:10] <KillSpammer> Mostservers are down at the moment for pretection
#2085 [12:11] <Coolness> Can anybody help me?
#2086 [12:11] <Zuty> And Bukkit will be an all-in-one thing, right?
#2087 [12:11] <KillSpammer> protection*
#2088 [12:11] <KillSpammer> Yeah
#2089 [12:11] <GreyVulpine> Hopefully Zuty
#2090 [12:11] <Zuty> Okay, thanks everyone!
#2091 [12:11] <KillSpammer> But youĺl be able to install mods and stuff
#2092 [12:11] <GreyVulpine> Coolness - Can you describe your problem more?
#2093 [12:11] <GreyVulpine> Are you running the server?
#2094 [12:11] <KillSpammer> I hope they will add some kind of mod libary to download in the application
#2095 [12:11] <Coolness> Whenever i join it gets stuck at downloading terrain
#2096 [12:11] <Coolness> no i'm not
#2097 [12:11] <Coolness> my friend is
#2098 [12:11] <KillSpammer> Mods?
#2099 [12:11] <KillSpammer> Any?
#2100 [12:11] <Coolness> None
#2101 [12:11] <KillSpammer> Tried reinstall?
#2102 [12:11] <Coolness> And 4 of my other friends can join just fine
#2103 [12:11] <Coolness> yeah
#2104 [12:12] <Coolness> multiple times
#2105 [12:12] <KillSpammer> I suspect java problem :)
#2106 [12:12] <Coolness> For me or him?
#2107 [12:12] <KillSpammer> Reinstalled Java?
#2108 [12:12] <KillSpammer> You
#2109 [12:12] <GreyVulpine> Or connection problem
#2110 [12:12] <Coolness> oh right
#2111 [12:12] <Coolness> wait i do that, thanks for tip
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#2113 [12:12] <KillSpammer> Im getting better at this GreyVulpine
#2114 [12:12] <Coolness> haha
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#2116 [12:12] <KillSpammer> The first time i joined this channel i was banned :(
#2117 [12:12] <Coolness> How exactly do i uninstall / reinstall java?
#2118 [12:12] <Jorc> Im having trouble getting this texture pack to work, can anyone help please? http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?t=97561
#2119 [12:12] <GreyVulpine> Windows?
#2120 [12:12] <Coolness> It's not in the programs menu
#2121 [12:13] <Coolness> ye windows
#2122 [12:13] <Coolness> nvm found it
#2123 [12:13] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, it should be in..
#2124 [12:13] <GreyVulpine> heh, okay.
#2125 [12:13] <KillSpammer> What problem are you having Jorc?
#2126 [12:14] <Jorc> Well i think i followed all the steps correctly
#2127 [12:14] <Jorc> But it doesnt seem to be working
#2128 [12:14] <Jorc> I dont have the option to choose the texture pack
#2129 [12:14] <Jorc> when I open minecraft
#2130 [12:14] <KillSpammer> Whats exactly going wrong?
#2131 [12:14] <Coolness> Oh btw KillSpammer, i've tried to connect on my MacBook as well, and it does the same
#2132 [12:14] <KillSpammer> Its the connection then :(
#2133 [12:14] <Coolness> Jorc you have an old version?
#2134 [12:14] <Jorc> I am probably doing something wrong, but I can't see where.
#2135 [12:14] <KillSpammer> Ok wait
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#2137 [12:14] <Jorc> Nope
#2138 [12:14] <Coolness> Ok
#2139 [12:14] <KillSpammer> Are you getting a black screen?
#2140 [12:15] <KillSpammer> On startup?
#2141 [12:15] <KillSpammer> Did you delete the meta-inf in minecraft.jar?
#2142 [12:15] <Jorc> I didnt have one
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#2144 [12:15] <KillSpammer> Wut?
#2145 [12:15] <Jorc> mhm
#2146 [12:15] <GreyVulpine> Hmm
#2147 [12:15] <GreyVulpine> Did you use the HD texture fix?
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#2149 [12:15] <Jorc> Yeahh
#2150 [12:15] <GreyVulpine> It should do that for you
#2151 [12:16] <KillSpammer> Oh the texture fix removes that auto
#2152 [12:16] <Jorc> Ah
#2153 [12:16] <GreyVulpine> Follow the instructions again
#2154 [12:16] <KillSpammer> Start with a clean minecraft if you ahve to
#2155 [12:16] <KillSpammer> !reinstall
#2156 [12:16] <GreyVulpine> You use the HD texture pack to select the texture pack
#2157 [12:16] <GreyVulpine> Not within the game
#2158 [12:16] <KillSpammer> Find out how to reinstall through that :)
#2159 [12:16] <Jorc> Thanks.
#2160 [12:16] <KillSpammer> I was confused when i first used the hd texture pack fix :)
#2161 [12:16] <Jorc> And okay one sec then Ill retry it.
#2162 [12:17] <KillSpammer> We cant do much for you Coolness
#2163 [12:17] <Coolness> Mhmm
#2164 [12:18] <KillSpammer> GreyVulpine, I need help again the comptuer i am wont give me the key next too enter that you usually use between can and t? Its giving me this ´ which is the opposite to `
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#2166 [12:19] <KillSpammer> Might just be my computer :S
#2167 [12:19] <Jorc> Okay, to select the texture patch with the HD fix, what do I do? I cant select the texture pack folder, can only open it when Im browsing
#2168 [12:19] <Jorc> If you know what I mean?
#2169 [12:19] <wheresmyhotdog> hey, anyone want to help me with a problem? I am only getting 2-7 fps
#2170 [12:19] <KillSpammer> wheresmyhotdog, Whats your graphics card?
#2171 [12:19] <KillSpammer> Jorc
#2172 [12:19] <wheresmyhotdog> gtx 275
#2173 [12:19] <wheresmyhotdog> i can play games like sc2 on ultra with no problem
#2174 [12:20] <KillSpammer> You select the texture packs .jar
#2175 [12:20] <KillSpammer> and mineraft.jar
#2176 [12:20] <KillSpammer> then patch
#2177 [12:20] <KillSpammer> minecraft*
#2178 [12:20] <KillSpammer> Hmm...
#2179 [12:20] <Jorc> Okay
#2180 [12:20] <Jorc> sec
#2181 [12:20] <KillSpammer> Im confused on why your getting low fps wheresmyhotdog
#2182 [12:21] <wheresmyhotdog> i have tried everything i can think of
#2183 [12:21] <wheresmyhotdog> like seting processor affinity and priority, updating drivers and java
#2184 [12:21] <KillSpammer> Damn Vulpine left :(
#2185 [12:21] <KillSpammer> Oh wait
#2186 [12:21] <KillSpammer> You sure you aint loading chunks?
#2187 [12:22] <KillSpammer> Minecraft does give horrid fps
#2188 [12:22] <KillSpammer> When loading chunks
#2189 [12:22] <Jorc> Okay, now I cant find my minecraft bin again. I was on it just a min ago and it was called ".minecraft" but when I search my PC for that file, one isnt found
#2190 [12:22] <KillSpammer> Lol
#2191 [12:22] <KillSpammer> Go into your appdata
#2192 [12:23] <KillSpammer> Run>%appdata%> and delete .minecraft
#2193 [12:23] <KillSpammer> Then run your minecraft .exe
#2194 [12:23] <KillSpammer> And login
#2195 [12:23] <wheresmyhotdog> no, i can wait for a few minutes until it isn't loading anything and still bad fps and i have messed with the settings in minecraft and it didn't change anything
#2196 [12:23] <KillSpammer> Got any mods?
#2197 [12:23] <Jorc> And a silly question, but where is Run on Vista?
#2198 [12:24] <wheresmyhotdog> no mods, completely clean
#2199 [12:24] <KillSpammer> Jorc: Search for Run
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#2201 [12:24] <KillSpammer> Ok reinstall
#2202 [12:24] <Jorc> ah thanks
#2203 [12:24] <KillSpammer> !reinstall
#2204 [12:24] <wheresmyhotdog> hit windows key and r for run
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#2206 [12:24] <KillSpammer> !reinstall
#2207 [12:24] <KillSpammer> :S
#2208 [12:24] <KillSpammer> Ok wheresmyhotdog perhaps you have a corrupt version of minecraft
#2209 [12:24] <KillSpammer> Try reinstalling
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#2211 [12:24] <mib_qiuk97> can i remove minecraft folder from application data, and place it another drive (c: is for system), would it still work?
#2212 [12:25] <KillSpammer> Sadly no
#2213 [12:25] <KillSpammer> Minecraft.exe coding looks for it in C
#2214 [12:25] <mib_qiuk97> ah ok then, thanks
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#2216 [12:26] <KillSpammer> They are two seperate applications so noone can mod for it
#2217 [12:26] <KillSpammer> Sooo
#2218 [12:26] <KillSpammer> I seem to have gotten them busy for a while :)
#2219 [12:27] <Coolness> KillSpammer, didnt help
#2220 [12:27] <Coolness> I tried my friends account too
#2221 [12:27] <Coolness> Didnt help
#2222 [12:27] <KillSpammer> Its your connection then
#2223 [12:27] <Coolness> I have 2 diffirent ISPs, i've tried with both connections.
#2224 [12:27] <KillSpammer> Whats your mbps?
#2225 [12:27] <Coolness> 24 and 100mbps ISp says
#2226 [12:27] <KillSpammer> Perhaps your friends server is blocking your ip?
#2227 [12:28] <Coolness> Idk, when i tried with my friends account, it worked
#2228 [12:28] <Coolness> for a while
#2229 [12:28] <Coolness> but now even that doesnt work
#2230 [12:28] <KillSpammer> !check 190.120.238.65
#2231 [12:28] <Rait> Did and update happen for the minecart rails?
#2232 [12:28] <KillSpammer> Meh
#2233 [12:28] <KillSpammer> Try connect to another server
#2234 [12:28] <KillSpammer> Rait Not that i know of
#2235 [12:29] <KillSpammer> Perhaps but Notch didnt announce it
#2236 [12:29] <KillSpammer> Coolness if you can connect to another server then your friends firewall or something is blocking your ip
#2237 [12:29] <KillSpammer> Or isps
#2238 [12:29] <Coolness> Lol, like i said, i have 2 IPs
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#2240 [12:29] <Coolness> and 4 of my friends can connect fine
#2241 [12:29] <KillSpammer> Could be blocking both?
#2242 [12:29] <KillSpammer> :)
#2243 [12:30] <Coolness> why would it block mine but not my friends
#2244 [12:30] <Jorc> KillSpammer, do I need to tick Texture Pack when running the HD texture fix ?
#2245 [12:30] <KillSpammer> Yes :)
#2246 [12:30] <Rait> Well, my rails seem to work fine, apart from what i've seen people talk about in the forums, mine all connect and turn.
#2247 [12:30] <KillSpammer> They are complaining about rails on smp
#2248 [12:30] <KillSpammer> They lag and bug up alot
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#2250 [12:30] <KillSpammer> Sometimes you will stop going down hill
#2251 [12:30] <KillSpammer> I dont know Coolness
#2252 [12:31] <KillSpammer> It could be your client it could be the server
#2253 [12:31] <KillSpammer> I have no answer for you
#2254 [12:31] <Coolness> Mhmm
#2255 [12:31] <sammko> can I somehow change screenshot hotkey?
#2256 [12:31] <Coolness> I should email support?
#2257 [12:31] <Coolness> Does minecraft have tech support?
#2258 [12:31] <KillSpammer> We are the tech support :S
#2259 [12:31] <Coolness> Mmhm
#2260 [12:31] <KillSpammer> I think theres a support page though
#2261 [12:31] <KillSpammer> Uhh
#2262 [12:31] <Jorc> daaaamn...
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#2264 [12:32] <KillSpammer> Ask here: http://getsatisfaction.com/mojang
#2265 [12:32] <Coolness> The thing is, i used to be able to connect to the server
#2266 [12:32] <Jorc> Still not working. No idea why, Im sure I followed every step correctly
#2267 [12:32] <KillSpammer> Explain your problem
#2268 [12:32] <Coolness> today i try and it worked for a while, but then not
#2269 [12:32] <KillSpammer> Jorc want me to teamview you?
#2270 [12:32] <Jorc> hmm sec.
#2271 [12:32] <sammko> can I somehow change screenshot hotkey?
#2272 [12:33] <ConMan8> You can't sammko
#2273 [12:33] <sammko> :(
#2274 [12:33] <KillSpammer> You can change most other keys in minecraft though
#2275 [12:34] <Jorc> Ok killspammer. Want me to leave anything open?
#2276 [12:34] <sammko> yes i can change everything excepted F#s
#2277 [12:34] <Jorc> the page for the texture pack or anything?
#2278 [12:34] <KillSpammer> Reinstall minecraft and get me the zip or whatever for the texture pack
#2279 [12:34] <KillSpammer> No i can get that
#2280 [12:35] <Jorc> Okay can you !reinstall please? :)
#2281 [12:35] <ConMan8> !reinstall
#2282 [12:35] <KillSpammer> Anyone can use the bot
#2283 [12:36] <KillSpammer> You jsut have to know the commands :)
#2284 [12:36] <KillSpammer> Pm me the connection details when ready Jorc
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#2286 [12:39] <sammko> im usin 128x128 tex.pack but if im moving textures are noisy because of minecraft redner algorythm. do you know any path which completly change redned script?
#2287 [12:39] <sammko> *rended-render
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#2291 [12:42] <wheresmyhotdog> i'm back
#2292 [12:42] <wheresmyhotdog> i deleted everything and it didn't work, so i tried it again and restarted and now it is at least giving me 40-60 fps
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#2294 [12:43] <sammko> im usin 128x128 tex.pack but if im moving textures are noisy because of minecraft redner algorythm. do you know any path which completly change redned script?
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#2298 [12:47] <Tritonio> test
#2299 [12:47] <Coolness> pong
#2300 [12:47] <CruelNoise> I wanted to say that,
#2301 [12:47] <CruelNoise> Ass
#2302 [12:47] <Tritonio> hello
#2303 [12:47] <Coolness> world is a cruel place CruelNoise
#2304 [12:48] <Coolness> no pun intended
#2305 [12:48] <CruelNoise> Hi.
#2306 [12:48] <CruelNoise> I somewhat doubt that, Coolness .
#2307 [12:49] <Tritonio> Soooo.... I was following minecraft development for a year or, and b "following" I mean visiting the site every now and then. I've never played untill today. So here are my questions:
#2308 [12:49] <GreyVulpine> Answer's 42.
#2309 [12:50] <Tritonio> 1. It was kinda laggy. I dug to the deepest level and then started walking to a random direction while digging. It had a very unstable framerate. It wasn't the graphics that was slow. It was like it halted whenever I broke a block.
#2310 [12:50] <Tritonio> :-P
#2311 [12:50] <GreyVulpine> Computer specs?
#2312 [12:50] <KillSpammer> Ok
#2313 [12:50] <Tritonio> core 2 duo 1.66Mhz
#2314 [12:50] <Tritonio> 2GB RAM
#2315 [12:50] <KillSpammer> Finally helped that guy setup his texture pack
#2316 [12:50] <Tritonio> 64bit OS
#2317 [12:50] <KillSpammer> After teamviewing him
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#2319 [12:51] <Coolness> 1.66 mhz processor...
#2320 [12:51] <Coolness> Thats the problem
#2321 [12:51] <Tritonio> NVIDIA 8400M GT Go
#2322 [12:51] <Tritonio> Coolness: you aren't serious?
#2323 [12:51] <Coolness> nope, sarcastic, sorry
#2324 [12:51] <Tritonio> are you?
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#2326 [12:51] <DownwardlyMobile> Hello? I need some help to get my buddy able to join multiplayer. I think it's a java problem
#2327 [12:51] <Coolness> 1.66 MEGA hertz
#2328 [12:51] <Coolness> you understand?
#2329 [12:51] <KillSpammer> What error is he getting downwardly?
#2330 [12:51] <Tritonio> aaah
#2331 [12:51] <Tritonio> lolo
#2332 [12:51] <Tritonio> ok my bad
#2333 [12:51] <KillSpammer> Also have you port fowarded?
#2334 [12:51] <Coolness> :)
#2335 [12:51] <DownwardlyMobile> Well, it's no longer any error at all
#2336 [12:52] <DownwardlyMobile> Player is null?
#2337 [12:52] <DownwardlyMobile> that's what java console says
#2338 [12:52] <KillSpammer> Hacked version?
#2339 [12:52] <KillSpammer> Its a client problem
#2340 [12:52] <DownwardlyMobile> he's downloaded all versions and tried the browser version
#2341 [12:52] <Tritonio> so are my specs OK? (i was playing the browser version btw)
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#2343 [12:53] <DownwardlyMobile> and he does have an account
#2344 [12:53] <KillSpammer> Try the downloaded version
#2345 [12:53] <DownwardlyMobile> i bought it for him
#2346 [12:53] <KillSpammer> DownwardlyMobile, hmm...
#2347 [12:53] <KillSpammer> Does he have any mods installed
#2348 [12:54] <KillSpammer> Also
#2349 [12:54] <KillSpammer> Whats the serverip?
#2350 [12:54] <DownwardlyMobile> he downloaded and attempted both downloads, and no mods. he's brand new doesn't know how to even change a skin
#2351 [12:54] <DownwardlyMobile> mc.falloutmc.com:6149 My fallout-themed server (when there's a working hey0 or bukkit)
#2352 [12:55] <DownwardlyMobile> it's only vanilla survival till then
#2353 [12:55] <KillSpammer> !check mc.falloutmc.com:6149
#2354 [12:55] <KillSpammer> Hmm...
#2355 [12:55] <DownwardlyMobile> !check mc.falloutmc.com:6149
#2356 [12:55] <KillSpammer> Its proberly a java problem
#2357 [12:55] <KillSpammer> Tell him to reinstall
#2358 [12:55] <KillSpammer> java
#2359 [12:55] <DownwardlyMobile> he did. he's running java 6 version 23 i think
#2360 [12:55] <KillSpammer> I hate problems i cant solve
#2361 [12:55] <KillSpammer> Perhaps GreyVulpine can help here?
#2362 [12:55] <DownwardlyMobile> Are there any internet permissions he may need to alter?
#2363 [12:56] <GreyVulpine> Say what?
#2364 [12:56] <DownwardlyMobile> or ports he should forward?
#2365 [12:56] <KillSpammer> If it was a connection problem he would get the error Connection Error
#2366 [12:56] <DownwardlyMobile> my buddy is getting a "Player is null" console error
#2367 [12:56] <KillSpammer> Not Player is Null
#2368 [12:56] <DownwardlyMobile> this error doesn't occur ingame, only in java console
#2369 [12:56] <KillSpammer> GreyVulpine, You have yet to teach me about Player is null!
#2370 [12:57] <GreyVulpine> Say what?
#2371 [12:57] <DownwardlyMobile> he gets no client error
#2372 [12:57] <KillSpammer> Wut?
#2373 [12:57] <GreyVulpine> Could you give me a pastebin.com of the error?
#2374 [12:57] <DownwardlyMobile> I could try. I'm troubleshooting my buddies comp
#2375 [12:58] <DownwardlyMobile> it will take me a min
#2376 [12:58] <DownwardlyMobile> i'm waiting for him to come back
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#2380 [12:59] <DownwardlyMobile> alright he's getting it now
#2381 [12:59] <awesomesauce> hello
#2382 [12:59] <awesomesauce> Anyone know how to fix minecraft crashes?
#2383 [12:59] <KillSpammer> Hi!
#2384 [12:59] <GreyVulpine> Depends on the crash
#2385 [12:59] <KillSpammer> What crashes?
#2386 [12:59] <GreyVulpine> Could you elaborate?
#2387 [13:00] <KillSpammer> Could you elaborate?
#2388 [13:00] <KillSpammer> :)
#2389 [13:00] <KillSpammer> Copy ftw
#2390 [13:00] <awesomesauce> Minecraft: Minecraft Beta 1.2_01 OS: Windows 7 (x86) version 6.1 Java: 1.6.0_23, Sun Microsystems Inc. VM: Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (mixed mode), Sun Microsystems Inc. LWJGL: 2.4.2 OpenGL: Intel(R) HD Graphics version 2.1.0 - Build 8.15.10.2202, Intel java.lang.NullPointerException at dn.f(SourceFile:443) at qp.a(SourceFile:36) at dn.k(SourceFile:1556)
#2391 [13:00] <KillSpammer> pastebin.com please
#2392 [13:00] <KillSpammer> Much easier to read
#2393 [13:01] <awesomesauce> 1. Minecraft: Minecraft Beta 1.2_01 2. OS: Windows 7 (x86) version 6.1 3. Java: 1.6.0_23, Sun Microsystems Inc. 4. VM: Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (mixed mode), Sun Microsystems Inc. 5. LWJGL: 2.4.2 6. OpenGL: Intel(R) HD Graphics version 2.1.0 - Build 8.15.10.2202, Intel 7. 8. java.lang
#2394 [13:01] <GreyVulpine> Please use www.pastebin.com
#2395 [13:01] <GreyVulpine> We can't read that
#2396 [13:01] <awesomesauce> i did now what?
#2397 [13:01] <GreyVulpine> Paste it at www.pastebin.com
#2398 [13:01] <awesomesauce> i did
#2399 [13:02] <KillSpammer> You do that
#2400 [13:02] <GreyVulpine> Could we get the URL?
#2401 [13:02] <KillSpammer> Then give us the url
#2402 [13:02] <KillSpammer> Ninja´d
#2403 [13:02] <awesomesauce> http://pastebin.com/5CV4DX8c
#2404 [13:02] <KillSpammer> Thank you!
#2405 [13:02] <awesomesauce> lol np
#2406 [13:03] <GreyVulpine> When and how do you get this error?
#2407 [13:03] <awesomesauce> Just now and im in my house smelting stuff it happens everytime
#2408 [13:04] <GreyVulpine> Running any mods?
#2409 [13:04] <awesomesauce> uhh i was but i deleted minecraft and reinstalled it so i think there gone so no
#2410 [13:04] <GreyVulpine> How did you delete minecraft? Just the program, or the /.minecraft/ folder as well?
#2411 [13:05] <awesomesauce> whole folder but the saves
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#2413 [13:05] <PrinceOfAustria> Miclee
#2414 [13:05] <PrinceOfAustria> [WARNING] **** FAILED TO BIND TO PORT!
#2415 [13:05] <PrinceOfAustria> [WARNING] The exception was: java.net.SocketException: Unrecognized Windows Sockets error: 0: JVM_Bind
#2416 [13:05] <PrinceOfAustria> [WARNING] Perhaps a server is already running on that port?
#2417 [13:05] <KillSpammer> It could be map corruption
#2418 [13:05] <GreyVulpine> Can you try generating a new map
#2419 [13:05] <KillSpammer> Oh noez
#2420 [13:05] <PrinceOfAustria> thats what i get if i remove the server from the properties
#2421 [13:05] <awesomesauce> i think it is just that map
#2422 [13:05] <Miclee> Start -> run -> cmd
#2423 [13:05] <Miclee> 'netstat -n'
#2424 [13:06] <Miclee> Tell me the X in 192.168.1.X
#2425 [13:06] <PrinceOfAustria> 8
#2426 [13:06] <PrinceOfAustria> 238*
#2427 [13:06] <Miclee> Is that it for all of them?
#2428 [13:06] <Miclee> (in cmd, after typing netstat -n)
#2429 [13:07] <PrinceOfAustria> tehres
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#2431 [13:07] <PrinceOfAustria> 127.0.0.1:XYZAD
#2432 [13:07] <Ackmey> Hey can anyone help with a redstone question?
#2433 [13:07] <PrinceOfAustria> couple of times
#2434 [13:07] <awesomesauce> ok i generated new map
#2435 [13:07] <PrinceOfAustria> and IP.238:XYZAD couple of times
#2436 [13:07] <Miclee> PrinceOfAustria, easier idea, take a screenshot of it after you type netstat -n
#2437 [13:08] <KillSpammer> :)
#2438 [13:08] <PrinceOfAustria> k
#2439 [13:08] <KillSpammer> Imgur :)
#2440 [13:08] <KillSpammer> Ackmey: Fire away.
#2441 [13:08] <DownwardlyMobile> GreyVulpine do you know how he can get back to the java console?
#2442 [13:08] <awesomesauce> so far nothing it wouldv crashed on the other one by now
#2443 [13:08] <Rait> Anyone know why my portal doesn't work? :/
#2444 [13:08] <KillSpammer> awesomesauce, thats what we call map corruption!
#2445 [13:08] <awesomesauce> can it b fixed?
#2446 [13:08] <KillSpammer> In Smp rait?
#2447 [13:08] <Rait> yeah
#2448 [13:08] <KillSpammer> Nope
#2449 [13:09] <GreyVulpine> portals don't work in SMP
#2450 [13:09] <KillSpammer> Rait: Uhh they dont work because Notch hasnt fixed them yet
#2451 [13:09] <awesomesauce> So i just have to delete it?
#2452 [13:09] <GreyVulpine> awesomesauce - Basically, yes.
#2453 [13:09] <Rait> ah dammn, am i able to save the world and use it singleplayer?
#2454 [13:09] <KillSpammer> awesomesauce, If you have a backup you can use that other wise you have to
#2455 [13:09] <KillSpammer> Yes
#2456 [13:09] <KillSpammer> If your hosting the server
#2457 [13:09] <Rait> alright
#2458 [13:09] <awesomesauce> :( what woulda caused it?
#2459 [13:09] <KillSpammer> Or the host is able to give you the world folder
#2460 [13:09] <KillSpammer> Perhaps a quit before it finished saving
#2461 [13:09] <DownwardlyMobile> Grey i have an error log for you. upload to pastebin.com?
#2462 [13:10] <KillSpammer> Yes DownwardlyMobile
#2463 [13:10] <Ackmey> Okay, so I have a redstone clock going on/off/on/off, and say I split the output into two wires.. is there any way for me to individually mess with the speed of an output's on/off cycle? i.e can I use one clock to create two outputs, on of those going at 1 click per second, the other at 2 (or whatever)
#2464 [13:10] <awesomesauce> well heres what happened
#2465 [13:10] <KillSpammer> Ackmey
#2466 [13:10] <KillSpammer> Look into repeaters
#2467 [13:10] <GreyVulpine> Yes DownwardlyMobile
#2468 [13:10] <KillSpammer> They can caused delay
#2469 [13:10] <KillSpammer> Cause*
#2470 [13:11] <KillSpammer> awesomesauce, it could of been a crash or a computer crash or power outage
#2471 [13:11] <KillSpammer> Thats why you backup :)
#2472 [13:11] <DownwardlyMobile> Here is the link:
#2473 [13:11] <DownwardlyMobile> http://pastebin.com/qDdvS0VP
#2474 [13:11] <KillSpammer> I made a batch file to backup all my maps when i run it
#2475 [13:11] <awesomesauce> i downloaded a mod with a "nuke" and it made huge holes to the center of the world and sent blocks everywhere floating and all! So i used mcedit to get myself out of the hole and cover it up it was about .1 million blocks. i also deleted the chests containing modded items and other stuff could that b it?
#2476 [13:12] <Ackmey> Maybe I don't understand it right killspammer, but won't a repeater just "unsync" the two outputs? Would it be able to make one literally go faster or slower?
#2477 [13:12] <KillSpammer> Not really
#2478 [13:12] <DownwardlyMobile> Could you PM me after checking the pastebin?
#2479 [13:12] <KillSpammer> You could have one get the out put to a place slower
#2480 [13:12] <KillSpammer> And one faster
#2481 [13:12] <KillSpammer> Redstone has its limits
#2482 [13:13] <Ackmey> I can feel my drum synthesizer dreams crumbling
#2483 [13:13] <KillSpammer> If you had the two outputs from the clock going out
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#2485 [13:13] <awesomesauce> so theres no programs that can repair corrupted saves?
#2486 [13:13] <KillSpammer> x = repeater O = finish - = redstone
#2487 [13:13] <KillSpammer> --------x-------------o
#2488 [13:13] <KillSpammer> -------------------o
#2489 [13:14] <KillSpammer> The first one would go slower
#2490 [13:14] <KillSpammer> Since repeaters caused delay
#2491 [13:14] <KillSpammer> cause*
#2492 [13:14] <KillSpammer> Forgive me its 4am
#2493 [13:14] <KillSpammer> GreyVulpine, I see why you enjoy this :)
#2494 [13:14] <KillSpammer> Minecraft has evolved to boring for me but helping people use it has become fun
#2495 [13:15] <KillSpammer> Although my head hurts :(
#2496 [13:16] <Ackmey> alright thanks, I'll try to work it out. All a repeater is is -------x-x------- where x = torch, right?
#2497 [13:16] <GreyVulpine> a repeater is just two inverters
#2498 [13:16] <Ackmey> yeah
#2499 [13:17] <GreyVulpine> wire going into a block with a torch on top
#2500 [13:17] <Jorc> Hey I want to make like, an underwater house, what's the fastest method to clear out all the water from my house?
#2501 [13:17] <GreyVulpine> adjacent to it is a block, with a wire on top
#2502 [13:17] <GreyVulpine> then a torch on the side of that block
#2503 [13:17] <KillSpammer> _-__
#2504 [13:17] <KillSpammer> :)
#2505 [13:17] <Jorc> Anyone know?
#2506 [13:18] <GreyVulpine> DownwardlyMobile - What is this error log for? When do you get this
#2507 [13:18] <KillSpammer> Jorc: From top to bottom replace each water layer with dirt and then remove it
#2508 [13:18] <KillSpammer> Its java console i think
#2509 [13:18] <KillSpammer> Or replace it with wool and then burn the wool
#2510 [13:18] <KillSpammer> Much faster with the wool
#2511 [13:18] <Jorc> Oh ok
#2512 [13:18] <Jorc> Thanks
#2513 [13:18] <Jorc> So I have to fill in every block of water ?
#2514 [13:19] <Jorc> that I want to be gone?
#2515 [13:19] <KillSpammer> awesomesauce: Nou
#2516 [13:19] <DownwardlyMobile> he gets this when everytime he attempts to join a multiplayer server
#2517 [13:19] <KillSpammer> Oh he left
#2518 [13:19] <KillSpammer> Yep
#2519 [13:19] <KillSpammer> Or you can use sand
#2520 [13:19] <KillSpammer> That works :)
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#2523 [13:19] <DownwardlyMobile> Grey he said it's EVERYTIME he exits the game it's on his desktop
#2524 [13:20] <ServerNeedsHelp> Enter text here...hi
#2525 [13:20] <KillSpammer> Hi!
#2526 [13:20] <ServerNeedsHelp> i need some help
#2527 [13:20] <Jorc> Thanks
#2528 [13:20] <GreyVulpine> DownwardlyMobile - It's a benign error
#2529 [13:20] <KillSpammer> Obviously
#2530 [13:20] <GreyVulpine> Has to do with OpenAL
#2531 [13:20] <KillSpammer> Fire away
#2532 [13:20] <Ackmey> Yeah, killspammer, all it does is inverse the two outputs doesn't actually increase speed
#2533 [13:20] <ServerNeedsHelp> well
#2534 [13:20] <KillSpammer> It doesnt
#2535 [13:20] <GreyVulpine> If you want, I can walk you through the process to stop it
#2536 [13:20] <ServerNeedsHelp> i was tryin to set a minecraft server
#2537 [13:20] <KillSpammer> It slows the speed
#2538 [13:20] <KillSpammer> Sort of
#2539 [13:20] <GreyVulpine> But it doesn't affect anything
#2540 [13:20] <KillSpammer> Delay
#2541 [13:20] <DownwardlyMobile> he can play singleplayer but cannot connect to multiplyaer. you think this could help?
#2542 [13:20] <Ackmey> It adds a delay, yeah, inverses, but doesn't affect on/off/on/off
#2543 [13:20] <GreyVulpine> No, this is not related dopeghoti
#2544 [13:20] <GreyVulpine> er, DownwardlyMobile
#2545 [13:21] <ServerNeedsHelp> but can people connect to me though just my ip adress?
#2546 [13:21] <KillSpammer> Lol GreyVulpine
#2547 [13:21] <KillSpammer> Hope you didn wake him or something
#2548 [13:21] <GreyVulpine> Friggin tab
#2549 [13:21] <DownwardlyMobile> lol
#2550 [13:21] <KillSpammer> Dope will rage!
#2551 [13:21] <DownwardlyMobile> so fixing the benign error won't help him join smp? well, walk me through it
#2552 [13:21] <KillSpammer> Oh i thought you wanted delay
#2553 [13:21] <KillSpammer> Yes ServerNeedsHelp
#2554 [13:22] <KillSpammer> Whats the ip please?
#2555 [13:22] <KillSpammer> And run the server?
#2556 [13:22] <xales> ServerNeedsHelp: They can connect through your extenal IP address, if you set up port forwarding
#2557 [13:22] <KillSpammer> Yay xales is here!
#2558 [13:22] <ServerNeedsHelp> what im trying to ask is do you need to port forward?
#2559 [13:22] <KillSpammer> Yes
#2560 [13:22] <KillSpammer> Or use Hamachi
#2561 [13:22] <GreyVulpine> DownwardlyMobile - PM
#2562 [13:22] <KillSpammer> But port fowarding is better choice
#2563 [13:22] <Ackmey> Yeah with the delay I can have the instruments making sounds seperately of each other, but I can't do quarter notes eighth notes etc.
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#2565 [13:23] <ServerNeedsHelp> i didnt want to make a big server, just one for me and my friends to join.
#2566 [13:23] <KillSpammer> Well
#2567 [13:23] <KillSpammer> Port fowarding is much easier as you dont have to have everyone who wants to connect in the network
#2568 [13:23] <KillSpammer> Ok
#2569 [13:23] <KillSpammer> Well you know how to port foward?
#2570 [13:23] <Ackmey> if x= one sound o = another the music goes |x| |o| |x| |o| instead of |xo| |--| |xo| |--| |xo|
#2571 [13:23] <xales> ServerNeedsHelp: Regardless of if you want one or 1000 people on it, you still need to port forward
#2572 [13:23] <ServerNeedsHelp> the problem is is that im on a mac computer that our schools game us and i cant mess with the network settings
#2573 [13:23] <KillSpammer> Ackmey setup a uhh...
#2574 [13:24] <KillSpammer> Multiple buttons?
#2575 [13:24] <KillSpammer> :)
#2576 [13:24] <Ackmey> multiple clocks?
#2577 [13:24] <xales> ServerNeedsHelp: I'd be more concerned with the computer being able to run a server in the first place
#2578 [13:24] <KillSpammer> Lol
#2579 [13:24] <Ackmey> Yeah that's kinda my last resort, less flexibility :(
#2580 [13:24] <ServerNeedsHelp> i think it can because i got my server running offline
#2581 [13:24] <KillSpammer> Ackmey im not a complete expert at redstone but i am alright :)
#2582 [13:24] <KillSpammer> Well
#2583 [13:25] <KillSpammer> ServerNeedsHelp
#2584 [13:25] <KillSpammer> can you install programs?
#2585 [13:25] <mbentley> ServerNeedsHelp: what sort of ip do you get? if you don't have control of the network, then you are pretty much out of luck
#2586 [13:25] <ServerNeedsHelp> depends, they really disable alot of stuff on these computers, i know i can run the .jar fines
#2587 [13:25] <ServerNeedsHelp> files*
#2588 [13:25] <KillSpammer> mbentley, he could try installing hamachi.
#2589 [13:25] <ServerNeedsHelp> but the .app files they block i think
#2590 [13:26] <KillSpammer> Hamachi is ideal but its last resort
#2591 [13:26] * GreyVulpine shudders
#2591 [13:26] * GreyVulpine stabs KillSpammer for suggesting hamachi
#2591 [13:26] * mbentley throws sporks as KillSpammer
#2591 [13:26] <lukegb> I want 5.x.x.x to be allocated and used already
#2592 [13:26] <KillSpammer> Its last resort...
#2593 [13:26] <ServerNeedsHelp> lol yeah
#2594 [13:27] <lukegb> So all the Hamachi users go 'wubuh why website not workk'
#2595 [13:27] <ServerNeedsHelp> i dont think i wana use hamachi plus its blocked i think because its a .app i think
#2596 [13:27] <xales> ServerNeedsHelp: If you can't open a terminal, you won't be able to get it to work
#2597 [13:27] <KillSpammer> If all the comptuers are on the same network?
#2598 [13:27] <KillSpammer> i know mine at school are
#2599 [13:28] <xales> KillSpammer: No, no. The school gave him the computer to use elsewhere, i'd imagine. Anyway, it won't allocate enough ram unless you tell it to, and that is more or less the only way
#2600 [13:28] <ServerNeedsHelp> xales that was what i was thinking, but is there ANY other way to find your 192.168.1.x
#2601 [13:28] <KillSpammer> Oh...
#2602 [13:28] <Ackmey> This would work so well if music boxes accepted more than one input
#2603 [13:28] <KillSpammer> Your ip?
#2604 [13:28] <KillSpammer> http://whatsmyip.com
#2605 [13:29] <KillSpammer> I mean
#2606 [13:29] <KillSpammer> http://www.whatsmyip.org/
#2607 [13:29] <xales> ServerNeedsHelp: Thats not what the issue is - the issue is with actually running the server
#2608 [13:29] <ServerNeedsHelp> how so?
#2609 [13:29] <ServerNeedsHelp> and im not talking about my ip, i know that
#2610 [13:29] <KillSpammer> ITs a school comptuer?
#2611 [13:29] <KillSpammer> computer*
#2612 [13:30] <ServerNeedsHelp> but the problem is port forwarding adress
#2613 [13:30] <fogwraith> Well, that's nice... creepers can mess up the spawning point, while players can not?
#2614 [13:30] <KillSpammer> The default gateway?
#2615 [13:30] <KillSpammer> Stop complaining fogwraith
#2616 [13:30] * fogwraith dips KillSpammer in lava
#2616 [13:30] <ServerNeedsHelp> uhhh, i dont think so
#2617 [13:31] <KillSpammer> Thats usually how you connect to your router
#2618 [13:31] <ServerNeedsHelp> its the number of the port that u put into when your port forwarding
#2619 [13:31] <KillSpammer> The port?
#2620 [13:31] <KillSpammer> 25565?
#2621 [13:31] <ServerNeedsHelp> i think
#2622 [13:31] <KillSpammer> Thats the default minecraft server port
#2623 [13:31] <ServerNeedsHelp> so like i said "192.168.1.x x= number i cant find out
#2624 [13:31] <KillSpammer> So if you can port foward that
#2625 [13:32] <KillSpammer> Your on mac?
#2626 [13:32] <ServerNeedsHelp> i know the 25565 thing, thats not what i mean
#2627 [13:33] <ServerNeedsHelp> im on mac, yes. so i can port forward so people can join my minecraft server
#2628 [13:33] <mbentley> ServerNeedsHelp: can you open a terminal?
#2629 [13:33] <KillSpammer> I hate mac :(
#2630 [13:33] <KillSpammer> Never used it
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#2632 [13:34] <KillSpammer> I laugh at schools because they think disablling cmd will help i have BATCH!
#2633 [13:34] <ServerNeedsHelp> ok wait, this is what i know:
#2634 [13:34] <KillSpammer> ipconfig
#2635 [13:34] <KillSpammer> pause
#2636 [13:34] <fogwraith> terminal -> ifconfig
#2637 [13:34] <mbentley> ^^ exactly
#2638 [13:34] <KillSpammer> ^^No idea!
#2639 [13:34] <fogwraith> Or, system properties -> network -> ethernetwhatever -> properties
#2640 [13:35] <ServerNeedsHelp> i know my ip, i know that the school blocks terminal, they block the network settings, and therefor i cant figure out how to get the number needed to port forward
#2641 [13:35] <xales> ServerNeedsHelp: You won't be able to run the server if terminal is blocked
#2642 [13:35] <mbentley> you aren't making sense
#2643 [13:35] <fogwraith> Applications -> tools
#2644 [13:35] <fogwraith> Can you use those?
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#2646 [13:36] <ServerNeedsHelp> i can run the server offline, but not online
#2647 [13:36] <ServerNeedsHelp> i cant use terminal
#2648 [13:36] <KillSpammer> ServerNeedsHelp, Basically you cant do anything
#2649 [13:36] <KillSpammer> You cannot run an online server
#2650 [13:36] <xales> ServerNeedsHelp: No, you still need the terminal to properly launch it
#2651 [13:36] <KillSpammer> Unless you hax or something...
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#2653 [13:37] <KillSpammer> xales, get to work on those C hax!
#2654 [13:37] <ServerNeedsHelp> well i know i can lauch the server offline, this is because the school didnt block ".jar" files and i run the minecraft_server.jar
#2655 [13:37] <Rait> by chance is there a reason the minecraft website is really slow?
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#2657 [13:38] <ServerNeedsHelp> bywhich it can lauch offline to the server ":25565"
#2658 [13:38] <Auv5> A lot of people buying the game?
#2659 [13:38] <xales> ServerNeedsHelp: The server will 'launch' but it will not work properly when people try to actually use it
#2660 [13:39] <ServerNeedsHelp> ok so for the server properties, can i just enter my ip adreess?
#2661 [13:39] <mbentley> basically just starting the .jar like that likely won't allocate enough ram
#2662 [13:39] <mbentley> ServerNeedsHelp: no need to
#2663 [13:39] <mbentley> should just be able to leave it blank
#2664 [13:39] <xales> ServerNeedsHelp: There is absolutely no way to get a server to run on that computer, sorry =/
#2665 [13:39] <ServerNeedsHelp> no need to what?
#2666 [13:39] <mbentley> no need to enter your ip address in server.properties
#2667 [13:40] <ServerNeedsHelp> i would enter "192.168.1.x" right?
#2668 [13:40] <mbentley> no
#2669 [13:40] <mbentley> you do not need to enter anything
#2670 [13:40] <xales> Did you not just hear him say no, and me say that regardless of what you do it won't work?
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#2673 [13:41] <KillSpammer> UNless we hax
#2674 [13:41] <KillSpammer> Or you hax
#2675 [13:41] <KillSpammer> Or we do the hax twist?
#2676 [13:41] <mbentley> ...says the guy who has never used a mac
#2677 [13:41] <ServerNeedsHelp> i can leave it blank, but it would do anything, something needs to be placed in there so others can join correct?
#2678 [13:42] <mbentley> NO
#2679 [13:42] <xales> ServerNeedsHelp: No matter what you do, you CAN NOT RUN A SERVER ON THAT COMPUTER
#2680 [13:42] <mbentley> server-ip=
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#2682 [13:42] <xales> it WILL NOT WORK
#2683 [13:42] <ServerNeedsHelp> ok so why wont it work?
#2684 [13:42] <KillSpammer> ...
#2685 [13:42] <fogwraith> Your admins locked it down
#2686 [13:42] <KillSpammer> It will not because you do not have access
#2687 [13:43] * Ackmey abandons his drums
#2687 [13:43] <KillSpammer> Continue and i will rage moar!
#2688 [13:43] <ServerNeedsHelp> i know thats an annoying question but, can u give me a detailed reason why
#2689 [13:43] <mbentley> when you start the .jar, you will probably see messages about not having enough memory...
#2690 [13:43] <Ackmey> So what's the most efficient way, without cheating, of finding a dungeon?
#2691 [13:43] <ServerNeedsHelp> i kinda wanna know because this has been bugging me for a while
#2692 [13:43] <mbentley> by searching
#2693 [13:43] <xales> ServerNeedsHelp: The server is unable to use enough RAM unless you specify that when you run it, and you are unable to do this unless you can use the Terminal app
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#2695 [13:44] <Mjiig> is this channel logged?
#2696 [13:44] <xales> Yes
#2697 [13:45] <ServerNeedsHelp> So, what i just did was go into server properties then erased my ip now it says "server-ip:" and i started the file "minecraft_server.jar" and it started up my server offline
#2698 [13:45] <mbentley> why do you keep saying it starts it 'offline'
#2699 [13:45] <Mjiig> xales: where? i THINK irssi/my connection might be playing up on me and i want to check
#2700 [13:45] <mbentley> there is no offline/online modes
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#2702 [13:45] <mbentley> *there are
#2703 [13:46] <mbentley> Mjiig: you have to enable logging
#2704 [13:46] <xales> Mjiig: Several people are logging it themselves, and I think AuBot is logging it
#2705 [13:46] <Valium> ServerNeedsHelp: are ou mentally retarded or just stupid? you cna't run it, liten to what the kind folks are telling you.
#2706 [13:46] * mbentley logs
#2706 [13:46] <GreyVulpine> I log as well
#2707 [13:46] <ServerNeedsHelp> it says i am running in offline/insecure mode
#2708 [13:46] <xales> ServerNeedsHelp: What do you NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT IT WILL NOT WORK ON THAT COMPUTER
#2709 [13:46] <mbentley> are you trying to run classic?
#2710 [13:47] <KillSpammer> How do you log?
#2711 [13:47] <KillSpammer> Lol
#2712 [13:47] * Valium wonders; "What the fuck is this kids problem?"
#2712 [13:47] <GreyVulpine> Hey now, easy.
#2713 [13:47] <ServerNeedsHelp> well the server is running, its just that people cant join it
#2714 [13:47] * KillSpammer votes to kick him.
#2714 [13:47] <ServerNeedsHelp> no, its in beta
#2715 [13:48] <Valium> mut not realize this is something that could get him expelled
#2716 [13:48] <xales> ServerNeedsHelp: It is 'running' but it will not work when people actually join it, as I have already told you.
#2717 [13:48] <GreyVulpine> ServerNeedsHelp - Being in beta doesn't mean that connections aren't working
#2718 [13:48] * Valium seconds the motion
#2718 [13:48] <GreyVulpine> Your network setup right now, prevents that
#2719 [13:48] <mbentley> never heard of the error you said about being 'offline'
#2720 [13:48] <GreyVulpine> Not being in beta
#2721 [13:48] <xales> ServerNeedsHelp: Also, yeah. You can GET EXPELLED FROM YOUR SCHOOL for doing that
#2722 [13:49] <ServerNeedsHelp> doing what?
#2723 [13:49] <KillSpammer> I should be expelled
#2724 [13:49] <KillSpammer> Lol
#2725 [13:49] <ServerNeedsHelp> im not doing anything wrong
#2726 [13:49] <KillSpammer> I do all kinds of shit
#2727 [13:49] <KillSpammer> Hosting a server on a school computer?
#2728 [13:49] <GreyVulpine> ServerNeedsHelp - I'm sure it's against your terms of usage.
#2729 [13:49] <fogwraith> KillSpammer: you're such a rebel :P
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#2731 [13:49] <KillSpammer> FUck yeah!
#2732 [13:50] <KillSpammer> I made this game iwth gamemaker
#2733 [13:50] <KillSpammer> It was fucking top down shooter
#2734 [13:50] <xales> ServerNeedsHelp: The reason they prevent you from using the terminal and such things is BECAUSE they do not want you to run such things
#2735 [13:50] <KillSpammer> I took it to school
#2736 [13:50] <KillSpammer> And got there network to crash
#2737 [13:50] <ServerNeedsHelp> yeah probably grey
#2738 [13:50] <KillSpammer> They didint know it was me!
#2739 [13:50] <KillSpammer> Ok i did bring a game to school though
#2740 [13:50] <KillSpammer> It got banned
#2741 [13:50] <KillSpammer> But people still play it
#2742 [13:50] <KillSpammer> :)
#2743 [13:50] <KillSpammer> Noone knows who made it though
#2744 [13:51] <xales> KillSpammer: My school had a windows network, and the domain controllers all had the messenger service enabled...trololololol
#2745 [13:51] <ServerNeedsHelp> EVERYONE at my school has minecraft on their computers with hacks on them too lol
#2746 [13:51] * GreyVulpine snickers
#2746 [13:51] <KillSpammer> Lol
#2747 [13:51] <xales> net send * "FUCK YOUOOOOOOO"
#2748 [13:51] <Valium> Okay, tomorrow we call all the schools in _NEW LONDON OHIO_ and tell the network admins to monitor port 25565
#2749 [13:51] <GreyVulpine> Ooo... shall we?
#2750 [13:51] <KillSpammer> Lol
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#2752 [13:51] <ServerNeedsHelp> valium, how'd u know?
#2753 [13:51] <ServerNeedsHelp> haha
#2754 [13:51] * GreyVulpine fires off an email
#2754 [13:51] <xales> ServerNeedsHelp: We are hackers, bro :O
#2755 [13:51] <KillSpammer> Its called /whois
#2756 [13:51] <Valium> I'm fucking pro like that
#2757 [13:52] <KillSpammer> Yep
#2758 [13:52] <mbentley> ServerNeedsHelp: if everyone is running it, then ask them how to set it up ;)_
#2759 [13:52] <Valium> KillSpammer: damn you lol
#2760 [13:52] <KillSpammer> Ignore my message :)
#2761 [13:52] <ServerNeedsHelp> they arent running servers just singleplayers
#2762 [13:52] <Valium> and ServerNeedsHelp you just confirmed your location, thanks
#2763 [13:52] <ServerNeedsHelp> no problem, im not in my hometown anyways so idc
#2764 [13:52] <KillSpammer> Getting my pedo gear on
#2765 [13:53] <KillSpammer> Brb
#2766 [13:53] <mbentley> if you *really* want to run it that badly, you might want to just find someone on campus who can help yuo
#2767 [13:53] <mbentley> *you
#2768 [13:53] <KillSpammer> Oh shit gotta go buy a new bottle of cloroform
#2769 [13:53] <KillSpammer> Fail spelling
#2770 [13:53] <KillSpammer> Ask a nerd!
#2771 [13:53] <KillSpammer> Lol
#2772 [13:53] <KillSpammer> Or...
#2773 [13:54] <KillSpammer> Host it elseware?
#2774 [13:54] <KillSpammer> Buy serverhosting?
#2775 [13:54] <ServerNeedsHelp> oh well, i have had a server going and my friends joined but that was at my home computer and i dont get to use that alot
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#2777 [13:54] <mbentley> would be nice if we could set up a rule where if you can't figure out how to forward ports on your router that you shouldn't be running a server
#2778 [13:54] <KillSpammer> Buy hosting and you will be popular!
#2779 [13:55] <xales> mbentley: say !motd
#2780 [13:55] <KillSpammer> I remember the 15 days my game was allowed at school
#2781 [13:55] <mbentley> !motd
#2782 [13:55] <KillSpammer> I was so fucking popular
#2783 [13:55] <KillSpammer> Then it got banned and yeah
#2784 [13:55] <ServerNeedsHelp> mbently, its not that i dont know how, but i LITTERLY cant
#2785 [13:55] <KillSpammer> Noone talked to me?
#2786 [13:55] <mbentley> lol ah
#2787 [13:55] <mbentley> ServerNeedsHelp: i'm not necessarily talking about you
#2788 [13:55] <xales> mbentley: Just cite that if you want, we do tell a few people about 'reconsidering running a server if you can't (x)'
#2789 [13:55] <mbentley> there are tons of people who can't figure out the very basics
#2790 [13:55] <mbentley> valid point xales
#2791 [13:55] <KillSpammer> Ok
#2792 [13:56] <Valium> whats command prompt
#2793 [13:56] <xales> Valium: If you go there and type 'format C:' then it will teach you to be a 1337 h4x0r
#2794 [13:56] <KillSpammer> My new golden rule: I shall ask them Do you know how to port foward if their answer is No i will say Good Day Sir!
#2795 [13:56] <KillSpammer> If yes
#2796 [13:56] <mbentley> i mean, i know i wouldn't want to spend all of my time building on a server where the admin doesn't even know hwo to back things up
#2797 [13:56] <KillSpammer> I will contiue helping them
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#2799 [13:56] <ServerNeedsHelp> well im still going to keep my "OFFLINE" server so i can have any item i want . so it would be like hacks prettyu much
#2800 [13:56] <xales> mbentley: According to MCMA, the average server:player ratio is like 1.05
#2801 [13:57] <Valium> xales: No command 'format' found, did you mean: Command 'mformat' from package 'mtools' (main)
#2802 [13:57] <KillSpammer> 1 player to a server?
#2803 [13:57] <xales> Valium: ubuntu nubcake
#2804 [13:57] <xales> KillSpammer: Pretty much
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#2806 [13:57] <PrinceAFK> guys i got a problem with my server
#2807 [13:57] <KillSpammer> I suck with ratios
#2808 [13:57] <PrinceAFK> i can connect to it typing 192.163.1.238
#2809 [13:58] <KillSpammer> !check 192.163.1.238
#2810 [13:58] <KillSpammer> Fuck yeah i win!
#2811 [13:58] <KillSpammer> Ok
#2812 [13:58] <KillSpammer> Is that your ip?
#2813 [13:58] <mbentley> <.<
#2814 [13:58] <mbentley> >.>
#2815 [13:58] <KillSpammer> Lol
#2816 [13:58] <KillSpammer> PrinceAFK, type !check 127.0.0.1
#2817 [13:58] <mbentley> srsly KillSpammer
#2818 [13:58] <KillSpammer> Wut?
#2819 [13:58] <KillSpammer> I know its his ip...
#2820 [13:58] <killerz> Hey guys... for some reason minecraft sucks up 80% of my cpu and ALL 9gb of my RAM. I have read people with lower specs than mine run the game without issue. What could the issue be for me? I am running the latest beta in offline mode on win 7 64 bit
#2821 [13:58] <KillSpammer> Now PrinceAFK have you port fowarded?
#2822 [13:59] <Valium> who runs a 192._163_?
#2823 [13:59] <mbentley> you keep wasting lines on my screen...
#2824 [13:59] <Valium> killerz: are you forcing 64bit?
#2825 [13:59] <KillSpammer> Oh that...
#2826 [13:59] <KillSpammer> ./ignore me if you like
#2827 [13:59] <killerz> what do you mean forcing 64 bit? I just run the exe
#2828 [13:59] <killerz> don't do anything special
#2829 [13:59] <KillSpammer> The exe?
#2830 [13:59] <KillSpammer> Wut?
#2831 [13:59] <KillSpammer> Oh minecraft
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#2833 [14:00] <ServerNeedsHelp> FAKE AND GAY
#2834 [14:00] <KillSpammer> I thought it was the server
#2835 [14:00] <killerz> the game lags on and off to the point of being unplayable.
#2836 [14:00] <KillSpammer> What ServerNeedsHelp?
#2837 [14:00] <xales> ServerNeedsHelp: umad?
#2838 [14:00] <Valium> can we boot ServerNeedsHelp now?
#2839 [14:00] <ServerNeedsHelp> lol... RayWilliamJohnson
#2840 [14:00] <Mjiig> i agree
#2841 [14:00] <ServerNeedsHelp> youtube
#2842 [14:00] <ServerNeedsHelp> youtubething
#2843 [14:00] <Valium> or mebbe he was referring to his father
#2844 [14:01] <ServerNeedsHelp> Its a Jersey Thing... hahahhaha
#2845 [14:01] <KillSpammer> Or his dick?
#2846 [14:01] * xales kicked ServerNeedsHelp from #MineCraftHelp (Reason: Guess you should have scrolled all the way to the bottom before clicking 'Agree.')
#2847 [14:01] <KillSpammer> What?
#2848 [14:01] <KillSpammer> Guess you should have scrolled all the way to the bottom before clicking 'Agree.
#2849 [14:01] <KillSpammer> Confused?
#2850 [14:01] <xales> Default kick reason
#2851 [14:01] <KillSpammer> Lol
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#2853 [14:01] <KillSpammer> I get no agreeemnt?!
#2854 [14:01] <KillSpammer> Lol
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#2856 [14:02] <KillSpammer> Whats with Killerz thing?
#2857 [14:02] <KillSpammer> fuck@ool-18b86874.dyn.optonline.net ?
#2858 [14:02] <killerz> ?
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#2860 [14:02] <KillSpammer> Welcome TrueWolves
#2861 [14:03] <killerz> oh lol... it was the email address I put into cIRC
#2862 [14:03] <killerz> mIRC
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#2864 [14:04] <Valium> knock knock
#2865 [14:04] <KillSpammer> I know
#2866 [14:04] <KillSpammer> It went quiet!
#2867 [14:04] <Valium> *ahem* knock knock
#2868 [14:04] <KillSpammer> Who the fuck is it?
#2869 [14:04] <Valium> to
#2870 [14:04] <killerz> perhaps my video card doesn't meet min specs?
#2871 [14:05] <Luxkind> Um. Stupid question, I guess, but... from my understanding, Vista and XPSP3 are pretty similar. Is it confirmed that Vista has the same problems as XPSP3 when it comes to hosting a server?
#2872 [14:05] <Mjiig> Valium: to who
#2873 [14:05] <Valium> NOT similar
#2874 [14:05] <mbentley> vista and xp are not similar at all
#2875 [14:05] <Valium> Mjiig: its 'to whom'
#2876 [14:05] <xales> Luxkind: They aren't really similar at all...and what problem you referring to
#2877 [14:05] <Mjiig> Valium: very good :)
#2878 [14:05] <Valium> lol
#2879 [14:06] <Luxkind> I'm having the "connection timed out: connect" problem.
#2880 [14:06] <xales> killerz: You are playing the official version, not a pirated/cracked copy, yes?
#2881 [14:06] <Luxkind> And yes, the proper ports are forwarded et cetera
#2882 [14:06] <xales> Luxkind: What IP address are you using
#2883 [14:06] <GreyVulpine> Luxkind - What problems?
#2884 [14:06] <KillSpammer> MjiigL Its ¨Valium: Thats very well done young sir I do hope you get rewarded with many cookies in the near future.¨
#2885 [14:06] <GreyVulpine> I have had no problems at all
#2886 [14:06] <killerz> yes
#2887 [14:06] <mbentley> Luxkind: what is the full error?
#2888 [14:06] <Luxkind> server IP is blank, I've set up a static IP for my host computer on my router, fun stuff like that
#2889 [14:07] <killerz> I did a quick google search seems others are having similar issue but I don't see a resolution
#2890 [14:07] <Luxkind> There is more error detail than just that? :P Server-side, it's the 'lost connection' bit
#2891 [14:07] <xales> Luxkind: Can you connect using 127.0.0.1
#2892 [14:07] <Valium> HEEEEEYYYYY killerz , whats your IGN?
#2893 [14:07] <mbentley> could be related to minecraft.net being slow
#2894 [14:07] <xales> mbentley: That generates 'took too long to login' usually
#2895 [14:07] <Luxkind> Xales: One moment. I suppose that could be where my idiocy is coming from.
#2896 [14:08] <KillSpammer> Possibly?
#2897 [14:08] <KillSpammer> Ok guys
#2898 [14:08] <KillSpammer> Im gone for a whil
#2899 [14:08] <KillSpammer> e
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#2901 [14:08] <KillSpammer> You are spared from my spammy nature!
#2902 [14:09] <Luxkind> Holy crap.
#2903 [14:09] <Luxkind> Any idea why the server is chugging along?
#2904 [14:09] <mbentley> could be that your system can't handle it
#2905 [14:09] <Luxkind> No, I'm referring to minecraft.net
#2906 [14:09] <mbentley> oh
#2907 [14:10] <mbentley> probably heavy traffic
#2908 [14:10] <Luxkind> This computer is plenty fine with regards to specs. It's only a year old.
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#2910 [14:11] <Luxkind> So, if I wanted to test if it was a minecraft.net problem, I could set online-mode to false?
#2911 [14:11] <Luxkind> Or does that do something entirely contrary to what I expect.
#2912 [14:11] <xales> Luxkind: That would only fix it if it said 'Took to log to login'
#2913 [14:11] <Luxkind> Which I've gotten before.
#2914 [14:11] <mbentley> Luxkind: ues
#2915 [14:11] <mbentley> *yes
#2916 [14:13] <Luxkind> INFO] /192.168.xxx.xxx:xxxxx lost connection
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#2918 [14:13] * Luxkind complains loudly, as noobs are wont to do
#2918 [14:13] <mbentley> Luxkind: running the server and client on the same pc?
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#2920 [14:13] <Luxkind> Completely separate computers. Client is on a laptop in my lap.
#2921 [14:13] <mbentley> gotcha
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#2923 [14:14] <TicTac1337> Heyy..
#2924 [14:14] <mbentley> certain you aren't trying to run a classic server?
#2925 [14:14] <xales> Luxkind: What is the name of the file you run to launch the server
#2926 [14:15] <Luxkind> Minecraft_server.exe
#2927 [14:15] <Luxkind> :s
#2928 [14:15] <Luxkind> I hope this isn't an id10t error.
#2929 [14:15] <Luxkind> Hmm.
#2930 [14:15] <xales> Luxkind: do you have any kind of firewall?
#2931 [14:16] <Luxkind> Not really, no.
#2932 [14:16] <Luxkind> Windows Firewall, and the router.
#2933 [14:16] <Luxkind> That's pretty much it.
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#2935 [14:16] <xales> Luxkind: Try turning off Windows firewall just to be sure
#2936 [14:16] <Luxkind> Can do.
#2937 [14:16] <Luxkind> Client and server?
#2938 [14:17] <cryptk> Should only need to do that on the server
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#2940 [14:18] <Luxkind> Precisely the same error,
#2941 [14:18] <Luxkind> ,=.
#2942 [14:18] <Diablothein> Heheh, scaring people senseless at Burlington Coat Factory...
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#2944 [14:18] <xales> Luxkind: Do you see the error on the server? or the cllient? both?
#2945 [14:18] <Luxkind> And that was with both firewalls off.
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#2947 [14:19] <Luxkind> Both; the connection timed out: connect on the client, the lost connection error on the server. When I connect on the server using localhost, though, no problem.
#2948 [14:19] <Luxkind> Sounds like something effed with the ports or something, but I've opened them.
#2949 [14:19] * Luxkind is cantankerous.
#2949 [14:20] <ciaron> qq (hopefully), do i have to purchase minecraft for sp, offline play?
#2950 [14:21] <Bananaman> ok
#2951 [14:21] <xales> ciaron: Yes
#2952 [14:21] <Bananaman> i was trying to get a server up
#2953 [14:22] <Bananaman> and i forwarded the ports
#2954 [14:22] <Bananaman> got the two clients
#2955 [14:22] <Bananaman> and have java
#2956 [14:22] <ciaron> xales: cheers!
#2957 [14:22] <Bananaman> but when i do localhost it dosnt work
#2958 [14:22] <Uni544> ciaron the only free thing is the old creative
#2959 [14:22] <Uni544> damn im so unlucky with this mine im creating... so much redstone lol
#2960 [14:22] <xales> Bananaman: What error do you get
#2961 [14:23] <Uni544> too bad you cant make these a block
#2962 [14:23] <Bananaman> leme check
#2963 [14:23] <Uni544> redstone blocks would be cool
#2964 [14:23] <Uni544> [2:18pm] <Diablothein> Heheh, scaring people senseless at Burlington Coat Factory... <-- most of the time if a mall has one of these it's a sign it's dying
#2965 [14:23] <Uni544> though theres exceptions
#2966 [14:23] <Diablothein> ...
#2967 [14:23] <Uni544> i think a mall around here that's pretty popular has one
#2968 [14:23] <Diablothein> Why would you think it's at a mall?
#2969 [14:23] <Diablothein> Imbecile.
#2970 [14:24] <Uni544> Diablothein oh well thats the only place ive seen those
#2971 [14:24] <Uni544> at least around here
#2972 [14:24] <Bananaman> it said connection refused:connect
#2973 [14:24] <Diablothein> I've seen standalone stores, in fact, that was a standalone store.
#2974 [14:24] <Uni544> 1 was in a mall that closed
#2975 [14:24] <Bananaman> but when i do my ip address
#2976 [14:24] <Bananaman> it joins
#2977 [14:24] <Uni544> but another is in a mall doing good
#2978 [14:24] <Uni544> infact i think it's the top NC tourist attraction
#2979 [14:24] <xales> Bananaman: Try using 127.0.0.1
#2980 [14:24] <Uni544> Concord Mills
#2981 [14:24] <Luxkind> ...
#2982 [14:24] <GreyVulpine> Bananaman - server-ip in server.properties filled out?
#2983 [14:24] <Bananaman> yea
#2984 [14:24] <GreyVulpine> Yup
#2985 [14:24] <GreyVulpine> That's your problem
#2986 [14:24] <GreyVulpine> remove it
#2987 [14:25] <Bananaman> ok
#2988 [14:25] <Luxkind> Yeah, pretty much everywhere says 'don't do that'
#2989 [14:25] <Luxkind> <<
#2990 [14:25] <Uni544> in honor of this bananaman im gonna play cruel summer by bananarama while mining now
#2991 [14:25] <Bananaman> lol
#2992 [14:25] <Uni544> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T99hbumhePA
#2993 [14:25] <Uni544> aww yeah
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#2995 [14:25] <xales> Luxkind: Don't do what?
#2996 [14:25] <Uni544> 2 years before i was born but fuck if i care
#2997 [14:26] <Luxkind> xales: Don't fill in server-ip.
#2998 [14:26] <xales> Luxkind: The reason that most places say that is because everyone tries to run a server on a home computer behind NAT
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#3000 [14:27] <xales> On some proper setups you actually have to fill that in
#3001 [14:27] <Luxkind> Well, yes, and that would be why that option is there
#3002 [14:27] <Uni544> ive never ran a server myself I know a good one i always go to instead
#3003 [14:27] <xales> Does the server happen to have an Atheros NIC by any chance?
#3004 [14:27] <Uni544> then again im only on a laptop... unless i dig up the old desktop
#3005 [14:28] <Uni544> but my bandwidth upstream is alot better than it used to be
#3006 [14:28] <Uni544> they uped it to 1 meg
#3007 [14:28] <ciaron> wtf, swedish paypal!
#3008 [14:28] <Bananaman> ok so now what ip to i tell people to join?
#3009 [14:28] <Luxkind> Oh, weird.
#3010 [14:28] <GreyVulpine> Bananaman - Your public ip
#3011 [14:28] <Luxkind> Nevermind, thanks for all your help.
#3012 [14:28] <Bananaman> which one is that?
#3013 [14:29] <Luxkind> ...
#3014 [14:29] <Luxkind> http://whatismyip.cm
#3015 [14:29] <Luxkind> Er
#3016 [14:29] <Luxkind> .com
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#3018 [14:30] <ciaron> Bananaman: probably 71.113.175.187 :)
#3019 [14:30] <Luxkind> Ah, yeah.
#3020 [14:30] <Luxkind> Haha.
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#3022 [14:31] <Luxkind> It's precisely that reason why I use mibbit.
#3023 [14:31] <xales> Luxkind: what is?
#3024 [14:31] <Oranges> can someone try to join my server?
#3025 [14:31] <Oranges> 71.113.175.187
#3026 [14:31] <xales> !check 71.113.175.187
#3027 [14:31] <xales> Doesn't work
#3028 [14:31] <Luxkind> Hehe.
#3029 [14:31] <Oranges> how can i make it work
#3030 [14:31] <Luxkind> !check 24.68.5.29
#3031 [14:31] <Luxkind> Sweet.
#3032 [14:32] <xales> Oranges: Did you port forward?
#3033 [14:32] <Oranges> yes
#3034 [14:32] <xales> Luxkind: There are -1 reasons to use Mibbit >.>
#3035 [14:32] <xales> Oranges: Is the server running?
#3036 [14:32] <Luxkind> :3
#3037 [14:32] <Oranges> yes
#3038 [14:32] <xales> do you have a firewall?
#3039 [14:32] <Oranges> yes
#3040 [14:32] <Oranges> but it is of
#3041 [14:32] <Oranges> off*
#3042 [14:32] <Luxkind> Firewalls can keep blocking even if they're off if they're things like Norton or whatnot.
#3043 [14:32] <xales> ^
#3044 [14:33] <Luxkind> You have to let the program through.
#3045 [14:33] <Oranges> how do i go about doing that
#3046 [14:33] <ciaron> can i change my in game name once i've created an account?
#3047 [14:33] <Luxkind> http://tinyurl.com/okxm6f
#3048 [14:33] <GreyVulpine> ciaron - No.
#3049 [14:33] <mbentley> ciaron: no
#3050 [14:33] <ciaron> balls
#3051 [14:34] <xales> Luxkind: Did you mean you use Mibbit so I don't find out things like your ISP, Shaw Cable, or your approximate geographical location, which is Victoria?
#3052 [14:34] <Luxkind> Hehe.
#3053 [14:34] <Luxkind> Dick. :)
#3054 [14:35] <Luxkind> Able to get my IP?
#3055 [14:35] <GreyVulpine> Already have it
#3056 [14:35] <Luxkind> Huh!
#3057 [14:35] <mbentley> lol xales
#3058 [14:35] <xales> Luxkind: 24.68.5.29
#3059 [14:35] <Luxkind> Cool.
#3060 [14:35] <xales> Luxkind: http://www.maxmind.com/app/locate_demo_ip?ips=24.68.5.29
#3061 [14:35] <Oranges> lol
#3062 [14:35] <Luxkind> Well, I have an added layer of protection. While my computers might be on that router, it isn't /mine/ per se
#3063 [14:35] <Luxkind> :D
#3064 [14:36] <mbentley> not sure why people consider their ip address as secret as their social security number
#3065 [14:36] <GreyVulpine> because, OMGH4X.
#3066 [14:36] <Oranges> lol
#3067 [14:36] <Luxkind> Well, yes, it's like a street address
#3068 [14:36] <Oranges> ikr
#3069 [14:36] <xales> mbentley: Probably more secret, remember they have to give their bank their SSN but not their IP!
#3070 [14:36] <mbentley> :)
#3071 [14:37] * Luxkind sadface.
#3071 [14:37] <Luxkind> Eldpack.com is so slow. :'(
#3072 [14:37] <LatHans> can you adjust difficulty in multi player?
#3073 [14:37] <TicTac1337> No
#3074 [14:37] <GreyVulpine> LatHans - No.
#3075 [14:37] <LatHans> ok, thanks
#3076 [14:38] <Oranges> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Why+are+oranges+orange%3F
#3077 [14:38] <GreyVulpine> Heh, random topic of the day. Newegg sells Swingline staplers. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1684804930
#3078 [14:38] <mbentley> that is awesome
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#3083 [14:49] <Rait> Anyone know why i might not be able to see my character for changing my skin in the website?
#3084 [14:49] <GreyVulpine> Is it loading? what's your minecraft username?
#3085 [14:50] <Rait> raitoningu
#3086 [14:50] <GreyVulpine> Have you checked with http://www.minecraft.net/skin/skin.jsp?user=raitoningu
#3087 [14:50] <Rait> everything but the image for my character loads
#3088 [14:50] <Uni544> GreyVulpine in b4 office space
#3089 [14:51] <Uni544> isnt the brand of the office space stapler?
#3090 [14:51] <GreyVulpine> Uni544 - You're sorta late to the party there.
#3091 [14:51] <GreyVulpine> and yes.
#3092 [14:51] <Uni544> not really
#3093 [14:51] <Uni544> i still see it in the chat
#3094 [14:51] <Uni544> heh
#3095 [14:52] <GreyVulpine> Hmm
#3096 [14:52] <GreyVulpine> http://www.minecraft.net/skin/raitoningu.png
#3097 [14:52] <Uni544> is it just me or is going down ladders a bit faster now
#3098 [14:52] <GreyVulpine> /skin/raitoningu.png was not found on this server.
#3099 [14:53] <Uni544> i still use one of the doom guy
#3100 [14:53] <Uni544> the green marine guy
#3101 [14:53] <Uni544> downside: some kids think im the halo guy
#3102 [14:53] <Uni544> :/
#3103 [14:53] <GreyVulpine> rait, is that your username, caps-sensitive?
#3104 [14:53] <Uni544> man doom2 takes me back
#3105 [14:53] <GreyVulpine> Def.
#3106 [14:53] <Uni544> that was the first doom i played actually
#3107 [14:54] <Uni544> guy installed it on the computer he made for us at the time to test the video card
#3108 [14:54] <Uni544> and left it in there'
#3109 [14:54] <GreyVulpine> I've been playing Killing Floor on Steam lately, They've got the first level of Doom2 as an official level.
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#3111 [14:54] <Uni544> course now i can put together my own... though been a long ass time since i have
#3112 [14:54] <Uni544> one day i wanna build another
#3113 [14:54] <Rait> Raitoningu
#3114 [14:54] <BarryCarlyon> GreyVulpine: that missing skin problem, I have the same problem with a user on my sever (tho he is completley invisble and has no name tag eitehr)
#3115 [14:55] <GreyVulpine> Hmm
#3116 [14:55] <Aradon> Hey, so I have a problem with SMP. Everytime I join a server I can typically destroy one block and then I get the following error: "Internal exception: java.net.SocketException: Connection reset by peer: socket write error"
#3117 [14:55] <Uni544> DOOM Guy with Helmet
#3118 [14:55] <Uni544> DOOM Guy with Helmet
#3119 [14:55] <Uni544> woops
#3120 [14:55] <Uni544> double paste
#3121 [14:55] <GreyVulpine> Aradon - Brand of NIC?
#3122 [14:55] <Uni544> but yeah thats the one i use
#3123 [14:56] <Uni544> its on the skin thingy
#3124 [14:56] <Uni544> might wanna pick another though
#3125 [14:56] <GreyVulpine> Rait - http://www.minecraft.net/skin/skin.jsp?user=Raitoningu
#3126 [14:56] <Aradon> I'm not particularly sure, but let me look
#3127 [14:56] <GreyVulpine> Shows up fine for me
#3128 [14:56] <BarryCarlyon> Yay for http 504 (gateway timeout) on MineCraft.net
#3129 [14:56] <GreyVulpine> Some girl with a ponytail down her right side?
#3130 [14:56] <Rait> Aradon: Same here.
#3131 [14:57] <Aradon> Atheros PCI-E Ethernet Controller
#3132 [14:57] <Rait> ops, Barrycarlyon:* i ment
#3133 [14:57] <BarryCarlyon> :-D
#3134 [14:57] <GreyVulpine> Aradon - Google "Minecraft atheros"
#3135 [14:57] <GreyVulpine> You'll see why I asked
#3136 [14:57] <Rait> Is it just me, or is minecraft.net extremely slow?
#3137 [14:57] <GreyVulpine> Not just you
#3138 [14:58] <Aradon> back from sept. of '10 . .
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#3140 [14:58] <GreyVulpine> Has been a known problem, atheros NICs running on java with windows.. and minecraft
#3141 [14:59] <GreyVulpine> You can slightly lengthen the time it takes to crash, by setting the NIC's transmit/receive buffer property.
#3142 [15:00] <GreyVulpine> But, ultimately, to fix it, you need to run it in *nix, buy a new NIC, or wait for a fix that might not come for a while
#3143 [15:00] <Uni544> lol zombie got stuck in a water vortex from when i took some water from an ocean
#3144 [15:00] <Aradon> That's pretty awesome
#3145 [15:00] <Uni544> so hes there even in daytime
#3146 [15:01] <PrinceAFK> guys
#3147 [15:01] <PrinceAFK> why is /save-all not working for me? :/
#3148 [15:01] <GreyVulpine> What do you mean?
#3149 [15:02] <Rait> ._., I'm about to cry,i just figure out how i wanna create my skin, and i can't because of how slow it's being.
#3150 [15:02] <GreyVulpine> Are you op on your server PrinceAFK?
#3151 [15:02] <PrinceAFK> yes
#3152 [15:02] <GreyVulpine> And you're typing that into your client?
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#3155 [15:11] <Rait> Is anyone good with making skins here? D:
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#3157 [15:17] <TrueWolves> I am.
#3158 [15:17] <TrueWolves> A bit rusty maybe but I've made plenty of skins.
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#3162 [15:19] <Rait> Truewolves: May i ask if you can help me with a skin?
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#3171 [15:38] <mib_zspuz1> can anyone gift me minecraft? :D
#3172 [15:39] <mbentley> i am gonna go out on a limb and say no
#3173 [15:40] <Rait> how do i edit the shoulder part of my skin? i can't seem to find the right spot, or can't you edit it?
#3174 [15:40] <mbentley> are you using a skin editor?
#3175 [15:40] <Rait> no, just paint. xD
#3176 [15:40] <mbentley> http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?t=4843
#3177 [15:40] <mbentley> that will help
#3178 [15:41] <Rait> thank yous.
#3179 [15:41] <Rait> for curiosity, am i able to veiw the compelete look without looking at it in the website?
#3180 [15:42] <mbentley> read that thread
#3181 [15:42] <mbentley> spoiler: yes
#3182 [15:44] <Rait> "Preview broken?
#3183 [15:45] <mbentley> last time i used it, preview worked
#3184 [15:46] <Rait> Shoulda read more in the thread.
#3185 [15:46] <Rait> i think i got it figured out.
#3186 [15:46] <mbentley> it's easy
#3187 [15:46] <mbentley> download the zip, extract, start the MCSKinEdit.jar
#3188 [15:46] <mbentley> it just works
#3189 [15:47] <Rait> i did, but it failed to download the 3d preview thing.
#3190 [15:47] <Rait> Adminstration shit on vista, bleh.
#3191 [15:47] <Rait> alright, it works now.
#3192 [15:47] <mbentley> easy with the layout that tells you everything and the live preview
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#3195 [16:00] <Rait> haha thanks for showing me this editor, it helps a ton, but i'm still a bad pixelater. >_<
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#3197 [16:06] <Dazuro> [INFO] hortanz lost connection: disconnect.genericReason
#3198 [16:07] <Dazuro> whats that all about?
#3199 [16:07] <Dazuro> everyone else says disconnect.quit or something
#3200 [16:07] <Dazuro> but he always gives genericReason
#3201 [16:07] <Kealper> it means he was actually disconnected, and did not just log out
#3202 [16:07] <Dazuro> ah
#3203 [16:07] <Kealper> he is probably on wireless or shoddy internet
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#3206 [16:13] <Rait> mbenttley, are you still here?
#3207 [16:14] <mbentley> yeah
#3208 [16:15] <Rait> i've looked on the thread, cause i was wondering how i'd get the hair to look like it's on the head rather "in" it.
#3209 [16:15] <Rait> but the hat section doesn't work for me
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#3211 [16:17] <NinjaKirby> Hey folks, does everything placed like Crafting Tables, Furnaces, Staircases etc. always face the way you positioned it from?
#3212 [16:17] <mbentley> see the 'hat' section?
#3213 [16:17] <Rait> mbentley: yessir
#3214 [16:17] <Kealper> NinjaKirby: yes
#3215 [16:18] <mbentley> it is to the right where it says 'top/
#3216 [16:18] <NinjaKirby> Kealper: Thanks, a recent change, it feels like... and a good one imo
#3217 [16:18] <Kealper> lol
#3218 [16:18] <Rait> mbentley: mhm, i tried there but it doesn't show.
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#3220 [16:18] <mbentley> works fine for me
#3221 [16:19] <mbentley> shows it floating above the head
#3222 [16:19] <Rait> you're using the alpha 3 pre 5 one?
#3223 [16:19] <mbentley> yeah
#3224 [16:19] <Rait> Hmm. wont work for me for some reason. :?
#3225 [16:19] <shoo> i get an error when i try to run im using the free version cause i purchased but it didnt work
#3226 [16:19] <mbentley> what is it doing? nothing??
#3227 [16:20] <Rait> ohoh, i got it.
#3228 [16:20] <xales> shoo: What error
#3229 [16:20] <shoo> one sec
#3230 [16:20] <xales> shoo: pastebin.com the error please
#3231 [16:20] <Rait> i checked "use od behavior for previewer"
#3232 [16:20] <Rait> old*
#3233 [16:20] <mbentley> ah
#3234 [16:21] <shoo> whats pastebin.com?
#3235 [16:21] <xales> You paste stuff there instead of here so it doesn't flood
#3236 [16:21] <shoo> well the error doesnt have a right click featur
#3237 [16:22] <shoo> sso i cant highlight
#3238 [16:22] <shoo> and paste
#3239 [16:22] <xales> what does it say?
#3240 [16:22] <GreyVulpine> Can you get a screenshot?
#3241 [16:22] <shoo> but it says something about failure to accelerate pixels
#3242 [16:22] <shoo> i think
#3243 [16:22] <shoo> maybe
#3244 [16:22] <shoo> i cant screenshot
#3245 [16:22] <shoo> dont know how
#3246 [16:22] <GreyVulpine> video card drivers then
#3247 [16:22] <xales> Did you update your graphics card drivers?
#3248 [16:22] <shoo> no how do i do that?
#3249 [16:23] <xales> Do you know what video card you have?
#3250 [16:23] <shoo> nah
#3251 [16:23] <GreyVulpine> Operating system?
#3252 [16:23] <shoo> im using an ibm though
#3253 [16:23] <shoo> windows xp
#3254 [16:23] <GreyVulpine> start -> run -> dxdiag
#3255 [16:23] <GreyVulpine> go to the display tab
#3256 [16:23] <GreyVulpine> Tell us what video card it says you have
#3257 [16:24] <shoo> where does it tell your video card?
#3258 [16:24] <mbentley> read above
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#3260 [16:25] <shoo> u did all that
#3261 [16:25] <GreyVulpine> Under Name: / Manufacturer:
#3262 [16:25] <shoo> i did all that
#3263 [16:25] <GreyVulpine> Chip Type
#3264 [16:25] <GreyVulpine> Could you tell us that?
#3265 [16:25] <shoo> nvidia
#3266 [16:25] <TXX> is there are way to use boosters in the new 1.2+ updates?
#3267 [16:25] <GreyVulpine> Okay, that's a brand...
#3268 [16:25] <xales> TXX: Same as before
#3269 [16:25] <mbentley> TXX: still work fine for me
#3270 [16:25] <GreyVulpine> shoo - Name?
#3271 [16:25] <TXX> minecarts seems to be useless right now :/
#3272 [16:26] <mbentley> worked fine in my smp server as usual
#3273 [16:26] <TXX> hmm
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#3275 [16:26] <shoo> where it says name??
#3276 [16:26] <TXX> ... gonna try and pull my 300mb map then and test it
#3277 [16:26] <TXX> locally...
#3278 [16:26] * GreyVulpine facepalms
#3278 [16:26] <shoo> lol
#3279 [16:26] <shoo> owwie
#3280 [16:26] <GreyVulpine> shoo - Do you see a "Save all information" button
#3281 [16:26] <GreyVulpine> Bottom of the panel
#3282 [16:27] <shoo> yes
#3283 [16:27] <Rait> Anyone good with hair for skin editing?
#3284 [16:27] <GreyVulpine> Click it
#3285 [16:27] <GreyVulpine> Save it as a text file on your desktop
#3286 [16:27] <GreyVulpine> Go onto your desktop, open the text file
#3287 [16:27] <GreyVulpine> Copy EVERYTHING on there.
#3288 [16:27] <GreyVulpine> Paste it at www.pastebin.com
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#3290 [16:27] <GreyVulpine> Give us the URL
#3291 [16:27] <xales> GreyVulpine: http://goo.gl/b71uA
#3292 [16:27] <gimmic> Hey guys, is there currently a way to change the default spawn location in SMP?
#3293 [16:27] <GreyVulpine> xales - I got a better one
#3294 [16:27] <mbentley> gimmic: no
#3295 [16:28] <gimmic> it seems /setspawn is depreciated.
#3296 [16:28] <GreyVulpine> gimmic - With a map editor, yes
#3297 [16:28] <GreyVulpine> MCedit still works with the latest beta
#3298 [16:28] <TXX> well map data hasn't been updated has it ?
#3299 [16:28] <mbentley> nope
#3300 [16:28] <gimmic> GreyVulpine: Thanks! My spawn is up in the air for some reason, and spawn protection prevents me from making it 'safe'..
#3301 [16:28] <mbentley> still the same
#3302 [16:29] <shoo> http://pastebin.com/T27xYecn
#3303 [16:29] <TXX> gimmic, should automatically put you to the nearest block level ?
#3304 [16:29] <mbentley> o.O
#3305 [16:29] <mbentley> nvidia vanta
#3306 [16:29] <gimmic> the spawn happens to be on the edge of a cliff
#3307 [16:29] <shoo> yh
#3308 [16:29] <TXX> hence the 3sec invul on spawn
#3309 [16:29] <gimmic> so when you spawn in, you just fall.
#3310 [16:29] <TXX> ohhh
#3311 [16:29] <TXX> that way
#3312 [16:29] <mbentley> that won't play minecraft...
#3313 [16:29] <gimmic> yeah, you survive, it is just disorentating and annoying
#3314 [16:30] <mbentley> well, not well
#3315 [16:30] <shoo> y not?
#3316 [16:30] <gimmic> I'll check out MCedit, thank you fellas.
#3317 [16:30] <xales> shoo: That computer is much too old to play Minecraft =/
#3318 [16:30] <mbentley> but if you really want to try...
#3319 [16:30] <mbentley> http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us
#3320 [16:30] * GreyVulpine pokes xales with: imgur.com/eQyih
#3320 [16:30] <shoo> but minecraft is 8bit so it should work right?
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#3322 [16:31] <TXX> xales, port to c++ then no problem lol
#3323 [16:31] <GreyVulpine> Hah, no
#3324 [16:31] <mbentley> product type: legacy product series: vanta series
#3325 [16:31] <SkiingPenguins> shoo that's just the textures
#3326 [16:31] <wolf_alex> ist there help for reskinning here?
#3327 [16:31] <shoo> ic
#3328 [16:31] <xales> shoo: uhh, no
#3329 [16:31] <mbentley> operating system: windows xp
#3330 [16:31] <GreyVulpine> Also, imgur.com/KsCMM
#3331 [16:32] * xales bookmarks
#3331 [16:32] <shoo> oh
#3332 [16:32] <shoo> dang
#3333 [16:32] <shoo> that sucks
#3334 [16:32] <shoo> oh well
#3335 [16:32] <wolf_alex> uhh
#3336 [16:32] <shoo> im getting new computer soon so
#3337 [16:32] <shoo> yeah
#3338 [16:32] * wolf_alex needs help with reskinning
#3338 [16:32] <GreyVulpine> xales - You an RPG fan of any kind?
#3339 [16:32] <mbentley> do you mean making a texture pack?
#3340 [16:32] * wolf_alex < wearing a hat that says "need help"
#3340 [16:32] <wolf_alex> no
#3341 [16:32] <wolf_alex> im mixing two together
#3342 [16:32] <wolf_alex> and
#3343 [16:33] <wolf_alex> in the items in the gui folder
#3344 [16:33] <xales> GreyVulpine: Not especially, but I tend to like pretty much anything if its a decent game
#3345 [16:33] <wolf_alex> I cant align the sprites correctly
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#3347 [16:34] <GreyVulpine> How about tabletop xales?
#3348 [16:35] <wolf_alex> mbentley dont ask me what my problem is then ignore me
#3349 [16:35] <xales> GreyVulpine: Yeah, those tend to be amusing
#3350 [16:35] * wolf_alex crys
#3350 [16:35] <mbentley> ...
#3351 [16:36] <xales> wolf_alex: are you looking for us to do it for you?
#3352 [16:36] <wolf_alex> no
#3353 [16:36] <wolf_alex> Im just wondering
#3354 [16:36] * GreyVulpine pokes xales with imgur.com/JaANo
#3354 [16:36] <wolf_alex> if theres an actual way to do it or something
#3355 [16:36] <xales> ._.
#3356 [16:37] <wolf_alex> -,...,^
#3357 [16:37] <mbentley> sorry, still don't know what exactly you are trying to do
#3358 [16:37] <mbentley> so apparently i am not the person to talk to
#3359 [16:37] <wolf_alex> xales> wolf_alex: are you looking for us to do it for you? > this is a help channel -.-
#3360 [16:37] <SkiingPenguins> but its not preschool
#3361 [16:38] <xales> ^
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#3363 [16:38] <wolf_alex> :c
#3364 [16:38] <GreyVulpine> Ah, here's the one I was looking for. imgur.com/MeFQW
#3365 [16:38] <MrShoes> Hi all. Anyone know a better way to farm sulphur than creepers?
#3366 [16:38] <GreyVulpine> gunpowder?
#3367 [16:38] <GreyVulpine> No
#3368 [16:38] <mbentley> i mean i know what you are trying to do but not sure why it wouldn't be lining up
#3369 [16:38] <wolf_alex> shoes ghasts
#3370 [16:38] <GreyVulpine> You can only get it from creepers
#3371 [16:38] <wolf_alex> mbentley ever done reskining
#3372 [16:38] <MrShoes> Cheers.
#3373 [16:39] <mbentley> not in minecraft
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#3375 [16:39] <Turboweevel> hi again folks
#3376 [16:39] <GreyVulpine> 'lo
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#3378 [16:40] <wolf_alex> mbentley this is an example of the items.png
#3379 [16:40] <Turboweevel> hey guys what are those two tiles in terrain.png that are above the snowed in dirt and the cactus top?
#3380 [16:40] <wolf_alex> http://smp.mcft.co/images/gallery/misc.png
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#3382 [16:40] <wolf_alex> at the bottem
#3383 [16:40] <wolf_alex> thats what its like, without a grid
#3384 [16:40] <Turboweevel> i'm looking at them but i don't recognize them
#3385 [16:40] <Turboweevel> i think they're leaves but i might be wrong
#3386 [16:41] <wolf_alex> turbo probobly leaves
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#3396 [16:42] <Turboweevel> oy vey, netsplitty, huh?
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#3398 [16:42] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, esper's like that
#3399 [16:42] <Turboweevel> oh god i'm not looking forward to making leaves
#3400 [16:42] <Turboweevel> *sob*
#3401 [16:43] <wolf_alex> turbo you probobly can leave it :P
#3402 [16:43] <Turboweevel> <.<
#3403 [16:43] <Turboweevel> i see what you did there
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#3428 [16:45] <NinjaKirby> Grand
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#3430 [16:45] <Kealper`> gg
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#3432 [16:45] <SkiingPenguins> whoa
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#3437 [16:45] <SkiingPenguins> this is worse than quakenet
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#3439 [16:46] <Cial> SkiingPenguins, it only happens a few times a month
#3440 [16:46] <Kealper> SkiingPenguins: that's the first it's happened in a bit
#3441 [16:46] <Kealper> quakenet splits all the tie
#3442 [16:46] <Kealper> time*
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#3445 [16:46] <Turboweevel> o.O
#3446 [16:47] <sad_alex> noone can help me :C
#3447 [16:47] <xales> sad_alex: We can't do it for you, that is what you are asking
#3448 [16:47] <sad_alex> >.> I was asking how to do it >.<
#3449 [16:47] <Turboweevel> do what?
#3450 [16:47] <GreyVulpine> You add files in a zip file, with filenames matching up to default ones you want to overwrite
#3451 [16:48] <GreyVulpine> what's hard to understand about that?
#3452 [16:48] <sad_alex> im trying to line up the sprites in items
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#3454 [16:48] <GreyVulpine> What two texture packs are you trying to merge?
#3455 [16:48] <Rait> Think i could get someones opinion or maybe have them edit my skin, if they wanna help out a bit? :D
#3456 [16:49] <Mikau> Just copy the second one and paste it as a new layer over the first one, then set the second one to 50% transparency.
#3457 [16:49] <Mikau> Ta da!
#3458 [16:49] <sad_alex> grey origonal painterly and smp's realistic (16 bit)
#3459 [16:49] <sad_alex> lol mikau
#3460 [16:49] <sad_alex> but
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#3463 [16:49] <sad_alex> theres empty spaces in the realistic
#3464 [16:49] <sad_alex> cause its not updated anymore
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#3467 [16:50] <wolf_alex> and Im using origonal/ painterly to fill in the spots
#3468 [16:50] <mbentley> should just be a matter of cutting and pasting while lining them up properly
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#3470 [16:50] <wolf_alex> but without a grid how do I know if its correct?
#3471 [16:50] <wolf_alex> < is using gimp btw
#3472 [16:50] <mbentley> http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=gimp+enable+grid
#3473 [16:51] <wolf_alex> thank you, but
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#3475 [16:51] <wolf_alex> I cant use google >.<
#3476 [16:51] <wolf_alex> fuck me
#3477 [16:51] <GreyVulpine> O.o
#3478 [16:52] <Kealper> wolf_alex: just do what Mikau said....
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#3480 [16:52] <xales> ...how can you not use google
#3481 [16:52] <GreyVulpine> xales
#3482 [16:52] <GreyVulpine> +R
#3483 [16:52] <GreyVulpine> please
#3484 [16:52] <GreyVulpine> #minecraft
#3485 [16:52] <GreyVulpine> Thanks
#3486 [16:52] <xales> Yeah, just noticed
#3487 [16:52] <Rait> http://i.imgur.com/CQM2z.png (first skin kinda from scratch, i'd like opinions if you could.
#3488 [16:53] <mbentley> super easy mode: http://docs.gimp.org/nl/gimp-view-show-grid.html
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#3490 [16:55] <NinjaKirby> I wish I was just frapsing, because a Spider somehow climbed a Fence, then climb over a Portal
#3491 [16:56] <mbentley> spiders can climb now
#3492 [16:56] <wolf_alex> omfg the grid doesnt do shit :P
#3493 [16:56] <NinjaKirby> Ah... yeah, now you mention that, I did read that, just... didn't believe it
#3494 [16:56] <wolf_alex> wait nvm
#3495 [16:56] <wolf_alex> ignore me
#3496 [16:56] <mbentley> ok
#3497 [16:57] <mbentley> /ignore wolf_alex
#3498 [16:57] <NinjaKirby> Right... so, build "realistic" fences which curve over at the top
#3499 [16:57] <wolf_alex> D:
#3500 [16:57] <NinjaKirby> lol, pwned
#3501 [16:57] <wolf_alex> someone tell him to undo that xD
#3502 [16:58] <NinjaKirby> Wait a minute, so how come that Spider didn't get to me earlier when I was standing over a steep cliff face
#3503 [16:58] <NinjaKirby> He was looking up at me just standing there, pretty sure he was after me
#3504 [16:59] <NinjaKirby> Whatever, silly spiddys
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#3506 [17:00] <Turboweevel> minecraft.net seems really fucked today
#3507 [17:00] <wolf_alex> hmm did notch make minecraft read the skin thing weirdly?
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#3511 [17:01] <Kealper`> ffs....
#3512 [17:01] <mbentley> have you looked in the forums to make sure there aren't any special instrutions to reskin?
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#3515 [17:01] <Kealper`> too lazy to join all those and log in to nickserv...
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#3518 [17:01] <Kealper`> mbentley: i /quit to get off the server but my ghost is still here
#3519 [17:02] <wolf_alex> I checked but the reskinning section was for characters...
#3520 [17:02] <Kealper`> wait, looks gone now
#3521 [17:02] <Rait> a bit off topic but, 71.221.31.172 Someone join, i'm bored, plus i wanna make sure my server runs okay. pleeeease.
#3522 [17:02] <mbentley> check in the general modding section or something
#3523 [17:02] <Kealper`> lazy way to get back in to all my channels/ident with nickserv, commence!
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#3525 [17:02] <Kealper> alrighty lol
#3526 [17:03] <mbentley> heh
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#3528 [17:03] <Turboweevel> so who wants to look at screenshots of incomplete texture packs?
#3529 [17:03] <Turboweevel> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/13733480/Minecraft/Hyperreal/Screenshots/hyperreal%20screenshot4.jpg
#3530 [17:04] <SkiingPenguins> Rait: i would join you, but it wont let me login
#3531 [17:05] <mbentley> fancy
#3532 [17:06] * GreyVulpine bahs and gives up on music blocks for a while
#3532 [17:06] <GreyVulpine> http://getsatisfaction.com/mojang/topics/mml_for_jukeboxes_records
#3533 [17:07] <GreyVulpine> I think this would be a great idea
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#3537 [17:10] <mbentley> whoo ramen
#3538 [17:10] * xales was just going to go get some >.>
#3538 [17:10] <NinjaKirby> Someone just told me they climb along ceilings too!? Confirmation?
#3539 [17:11] <TXX> mbentley, you should eat kimbap instead more healthy
#3540 [17:11] <NinjaKirby> Turning into Alien Vs ... well, Prey
#3541 [17:11] <Rait> is there a way i can make is so anyone can look in chests?
#3542 [17:11] <Turboweevel> bibimbap > *
#3543 [17:11] * SkiingPenguins is on Rait's server and cannot place blocks/access chests
#3543 [17:11] <TXX> tak galbi > bibimbap
#3544 [17:11] <mbentley> Rait: everyone can look in chests...
#3545 [17:12] <mbentley> unless you have mods that prevent it
#3546 [17:12] <TXX> but then he has to run older versions...
#3547 [17:13] <SkiingPenguins> why is it that while in multiplayer, my client has below 10 fps until it "loads" even though ive been in that spot before?
#3548 [17:13] <Rait> hmm, skiiingpenguins in my game can't look in any chests i put down, does it matter if they're near the spawnpoint?
#3549 [17:13] <GreyVulpine> Server has to reload the chunk
#3550 [17:13] <GreyVulpine> And send it to you
#3551 [17:13] <GreyVulpine> Chunks that are not in view, are unloaded again
#3552 [17:14] <SkiingPenguins> Rait: are you using a modded server? i cant do much on your server besides close doors temporarily
#3553 [17:14] <Rait> nope, no clue where or how to even install mads for my server
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#3555 [17:15] <Rait> mods*
#3556 [17:15] <SkiingPenguins> do i have to be an "op" to do things on a server?
#3557 [17:15] <GreyVulpine> Depends on the "things"
#3558 [17:15] <Rait> not sure?
#3559 [17:15] <mbentley> i bet that if you put chests in the spawn area, only ops or admins can make them function
#3560 [17:16] <mbentley> i know that doors work that way
#3561 [17:16] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#3562 [17:16] <Rait> hmm, most likely, cause i build a pretty big place around the spawn.
#3563 [17:16] <GreyVulpine> Only ops can operate chests in spawn
#3564 [17:16] <GreyVulpine> I've seen that
#3565 [17:16] <Rait> is there a way i can allow people to look in chests and sure without giving them op?
#3566 [17:17] <GreyVulpine> No
#3567 [17:17] <mbentley> don't put them in the spawn area
#3568 [17:17] <mbentley> :D
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#3570 [17:19] <Turboweevel> how the hell does the water texture work?
#3571 [17:20] <Turboweevel> is it those six squares found in terrain.png?
#3572 [17:20] <Turboweevel> are they for still water?
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#3574 [17:22] <Turboweevel> ay ay ay
#3575 [17:22] <wolf_alex> o
#3576 [17:22] <wolf_alex> m
#3577 [17:22] <wolf_alex> f
#3578 [17:22] <wolf_alex> g
#3579 [17:22] <wolf_alex> I finished :D
#3580 [17:22] <leaper> hello, anyone here uses hamachi? i'm wondering on how to completely close it, if i choose exit it's still on taskbar
#3581 [17:22] <Kealper> less enter or more +b
#3582 [17:23] <xales> leaper: Riht click on it in the taskbar and click exit
#3583 [17:23] <wolf_alex> lol kealper
#3584 [17:23] <GreyVulpine> Hamachi doesn't have exit
#3585 [17:23] <leaper> cant
#3586 [17:23] <Kealper> xales: not with hamachi v2
#3587 [17:23] <GreyVulpine> It's an annoying thing
#3588 [17:23] <leaper> that
#3589 [17:23] <GreyVulpine> leaper - Task manager
#3590 [17:23] <wolf_alex> whats hamachi?
#3591 [17:23] * xales hasn't actually used hamachi 2
#3591 [17:23] <GreyVulpine> end process - hamachi
#3592 [17:23] <GreyVulpine> Works for me
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#3595 [17:23] <xales> Wait, can you really not exit it without killing it? >.>
#3596 [17:23] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#3597 [17:24] <Kealper> xales: really :/
#3598 [17:24] <leaper> yeh, but isnt there any other way, i dont want to use task manager to close it every time
#3599 [17:24] <GreyVulpine> Nope
#3600 [17:24] <mbentley> horrible
#3601 [17:24] <Kealper> quite
#3602 [17:24] <GreyVulpine> I frigging hate hamachi
#3603 [17:24] <leaper> it quite nice for connecting computers, but thats horrible yeah
#3604 [17:24] * xales has yet another reason to never use it
#3604 [17:24] <Kealper> i loved hamachi 1.3...easy to automate, and you had control over it (e.g: could actually close out of it)
#3605 [17:24] <leaper> any similar programs?
#3606 [17:25] <xales> leaper: Port forwarding *snrk*
#3607 [17:25] <Kealper> hamachi v2 is eye candy that coats gargabage
#3608 [17:25] <Kealper> garbage*
#3609 [17:25] <leaper> nah, i cant port foward
#3610 [17:25] <xales> Why not?
#3611 [17:25] <leaper> all ports are closed
#3612 [17:25] <leaper> cant open any
#3613 [17:25] <leaper> stealt mode :D
#3614 [17:25] <xales> What do you mean?
#3615 [17:25] <Kealper> he might be at a college
#3616 [17:26] <leaper> ports are closed by ISP provider
#3617 [17:26] <GreyVulpine> That's rather craptacular.
#3618 [17:26] <wolf_alex> guys
#3619 [17:26] <wolf_alex> how do I add texture packs to minecraft?
#3620 [17:26] <leaper> yes, its for safety
#3621 [17:26] <Kealper> "safty"
#3622 [17:26] <GreyVulpine> zip it up, add to %appdata%/.minecraft/texturepacks
#3623 [17:26] <wolf_alex> do they have to be .rar or .zip ?
#3624 [17:27] <GreyVulpine> zip
#3625 [17:27] <wolf_alex> I see
#3626 [17:27] <Kealper> oh, how awesome art thou, great firewall
#3627 [17:27] <wolf_alex> erm forgive me but I wouldnt happen to be able to zip things withwinrar?
#3628 [17:27] <leaper> frikkin hamachi
#3629 [17:27] <GreyVulpine> You can
#3630 [17:27] <mbentley> yes you can
#3631 [17:27] <SkiingPenguins> 7-zip <3
#3632 [17:28] <GreyVulpine> Right click, Add to archive
#3633 [17:28] <wolf_alex> got it
#3634 [17:28] <wolf_alex> done
#3635 [17:28] <wolf_alex> nvm
#3636 [17:28] <xales> Also, OpenVPN > Hamachi x3
#3637 [17:28] <mbentley> +1 to 7zip
#3638 [17:28] <xales> +1 7zzip as well
#3639 [17:28] <leaper> oh ok, i'll check that
#3640 [17:28] * Kealper starts to think of the phrase "If you have to ask, you shouldn't be doing it."
#3640 [17:28] <SkiingPenguins> hehehe
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#3642 [17:30] <SkiingPenguins> how big are the "chunks" that the server sends to my client? my max speed is 80 kB/s.. is that what causes the low fps?
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#3644 [17:30] <GreyVulpine> 9x9 wasn't it?
#3645 [17:30] <Kealper> 16x16x128
#3646 [17:31] <Kealper> blocks
#3647 [17:31] <GreyVulpine> That's one chunk
#3648 [17:31] <Kealper> not sure how big that is in KB
#3649 [17:31] <Kealper> OH
#3650 [17:31] <Kealper> fail, read that wrong
#3651 [17:31] <GreyVulpine> I meant to say, 9x9 chunks?
#3652 [17:31] <Kealper> 9x9 sounds about right
#3653 [17:31] * Kealper does some maths
#3653 [17:31] <GreyVulpine> I know that's how many it loads on startup
#3654 [17:32] <GreyVulpine> I don't know if that's the same when you walk around
#3655 [17:32] <Kealper> 144x144 blocks..sounds about right
#3656 [17:32] <wolf_alex> Yay my mix is finished
#3657 [17:33] <Kealper> i wonder if Quandary is updated yet....i like that one
#3658 [17:33] <SkiingPenguins> i can walk about 15 blocks and then it gets VERY laggy.. on multiple servers
#3659 [17:33] <xales> SkiingPenguins: How much RAM does your computer have?
#3660 [17:33] <SkiingPenguins> 4GB
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#3662 [17:34] <GreyVulpine> Wait... "my max speed is 80 kB/s" downstream?
#3663 [17:34] <SkiingPenguins> yes
#3664 [17:34] * GreyVulpine gags
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#3665 [17:34] <Kealper> asdfh
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#3667 [17:34] <SkiingPenguins> it's slow but very stable
#3668 [17:34] <Kealper> that's quite low :/
#3669 [17:34] <mbentley> easy there Kealper. don't want to max out SkiingPenguins's pipe...
#3670 [17:34] <Kealper> XD
#3671 [17:34] <SkiingPenguins> its okay, i have awesome QoS for my xbox ^.^
#3672 [17:34] <GreyVulpine> I've seen it burst over 100k for one client to receive initial loading
#3673 [17:35] <Kealper> SkiingPenguins: did you want to host a server or just play on one?
#3674 [17:35] <SkiingPenguins> i am barely able to play on Rait's
#3675 [17:35] <Kealper> are you sure it's not just his server? lol
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#3677 [17:35] <SkiingPenguins> well i hosted a server on this computer and it did the same thing
#3678 [17:35] <mbentley> if you want to test on my test server, you can
#3679 [17:35] <SkiingPenguins> i can try that mbentley
#3680 [17:35] <mbentley> home.mbentley.net:12345
#3681 [17:36] * Kealper goes and grief's mbentley's server
#3681 [17:36] <mbentley> hehe there is literally nothing on it
#3682 [17:36] <Kealper> fail with the random ' though
#3683 [17:36] <wolf_alex> texture pack is finished :D
#3684 [17:36] <GreyVulpine> We heard you the first time wolf_alex.
#3685 [17:36] <SkiingPenguins> yea i've got 3 fps there
#3686 [17:37] <wolf_alex> I said it a 1st time?
#3687 [17:38] <xales> SkiingPenguins: Hold F3, what FPS are you running at
#3688 [17:39] <SkiingPenguins> uh there is a dark red block hiding the fps
#3689 [17:39] <SkiingPenguins> wtf is up with that thing?
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#3691 [17:39] <SkiingPenguins> i get less than 10 fps while moving, then more than 20 when standing still
#3692 [17:40] <Turboweevel> how many frames does the still water animation have?
#3693 [17:40] <xales> SkiingPenguins: That doesn't sound like a network issue then
#3694 [17:41] <SkiingPenguins> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1107566974.png <-
#3695 [17:41] <xales> SkiingPenguins: Do you get the same FPS in singleplayer?
#3696 [17:41] <SkiingPenguins> no i get better fps, but not by much
#3697 [17:41] <Turboweevel> guys?
#3698 [17:41] <SkiingPenguins> it doesnt "burst" low fps as much
#3699 [17:41] <xales> That sounds like an issue with your computer then
#3700 [17:42] <xales> Turboweevel: No idea, sorry
#3701 [17:42] <Turboweevel> baw :<
#3702 [17:42] <SkiingPenguins> i must eat dinner now.
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#3704 [17:43] <Kealper> mbentley: your server is no fun without the ability to dye sheep
#3705 [17:44] <mbentley> lol how do you do that?
#3706 [17:44] <mbentley> oh, no animals...
#3707 [17:44] <Kealper> indeed lol
#3708 [17:46] <mbentley> well i suppose that server isn't supposed to be fun :D
#3709 [17:46] <Kealper> lol
#3710 [17:47] <xales> guys
#3711 [17:47] <xales> i try to logg into servers and i see error
#3712 [17:47] <xales> 'bad login'
#3713 [17:47] <xales> how 2 fix
#3714 [17:47] <xales> plz help me kelpy
#3715 [17:47] <xales> kelly help me
#3716 [17:47] <mbentley> /kick xales
#3717 [17:47] <xales> :(
#3718 [17:47] <mbentley> fixed
#3719 [17:48] * xales kicked xales from #MineCraftHelp (Reason: o wat does dis do)
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#3721 [17:48] <mbentley> selfowned
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#3723 [17:48] <Kealper> lol
#3724 [17:49] <xales> I like how my client suddenly decides to lag when I do that >.>
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#3726 [17:51] <izzd> Trying to connect to a server and getting refused connect?
#3727 [17:51] <Kealper> what ip are you using?
#3728 [17:51] <aetherian> is the server up
#3729 [17:51] <mbentley> sounds like the server isn't online?
#3730 [17:51] <izzd> well guess what
#3731 [17:51] <izzd> it's ok now
#3732 [17:52] <aetherian> joy
#3733 [17:52] <aetherian> go have fun
#3734 [17:52] <aetherian> how much ram does mcserver use per player, ish- one gig?
#3735 [17:52] <aetherian> if they're spread apart
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#3737 [17:53] <Abuk007> hey guys
#3738 [17:53] <aetherian> hello
#3739 [17:53] <GreyVulpine> aetherian - Figure about 100 megs a person
#3740 [17:53] <GreyVulpine> give or take
#3741 [17:53] <aetherian> oh
#3742 [17:53] <aetherian> nice
#3743 [17:53] <Abuk007> Vulpine, any idea on my problem :<
#3744 [17:53] <Abuk007> ?
#3745 [17:53] <GreyVulpine> If they're spread apart, more
#3746 [17:53] <GreyVulpine> Huh?
#3747 [17:53] <Abuk007> you remember, genericreason
#3748 [17:53] <Abuk007> serverhosting
#3749 [17:53] <aetherian> any ideas as to how much of an inet you need?
#3750 [17:54] <GreyVulpine> Um
#3751 [17:54] * GreyVulpine blinks
#3751 [17:54] <xales> aetherian: Multi-Homed Gigabit connection :P
#3752 [17:54] <GreyVulpine> aetherian - The more the better?
#3753 [17:54] <aetherian> ...
#3754 [17:54] <aetherian> wow
#3755 [17:54] <GreyVulpine> OC-192 lines?
#3756 [17:54] <aetherian> two sarcastic answers for the price of one question
#3757 [17:54] <aetherian> >.>
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#3759 [17:54] <rockstar8577> hey
#3760 [17:54] <GreyVulpine> Abuk007 - I honestly don't remember, sorry.
#3761 [17:54] <aetherian> yo
#3762 [17:54] <rockstar8577> can someone help me
#3763 [17:54] <GreyVulpine> With?
#3764 [17:55] <Abuk007> ok so ill describe again
#3765 [17:55] <mbentley> psychological? no
#3766 [17:55] <rockstar8577> im on the minecraft channel
#3767 [17:55] <rockstar8577> and when i type something
#3768 [17:55] <GreyVulpine> Need to be registered to talk
#3769 [17:55] <rockstar8577> i tells me it cant be sent to the channel
#3770 [17:55] <GreyVulpine> /ns register password email
#3771 [17:55] <xales> rockstar8577: Did you read the messages when you joined or the topic?
#3772 [17:55] <GreyVulpine> Obviously not
#3773 [17:55] <rockstar8577> i did register before
#3774 [17:55] <Abuk007> i wanted to host a server, ports are forwarded, everythings fine, i can connect locally, but not externaly, screen freezes at logging in, gets timeout
#3775 [17:55] <rockstar8577> >_>
#3776 [17:55] <GreyVulpine> then identify
#3777 [17:55] <GreyVulpine> /ns identify password
#3778 [17:55] <GreyVulpine> You need to do that each time you join the network
#3779 [17:55] <mbentley> Abuk007: just you can't connect with your external ip? or others can't?
#3780 [17:55] <Abuk007> server logs player as ingame and after timeout shows genericreson or endofstream as the error
#3781 [17:56] * aetherian is away: misc.
#3781 [17:56] <Abuk007> nor me nor others
#3782 [17:56] <rockstar8577> thanks grey :D
#3783 [17:56] * GreyVulpine nods
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#3785 [17:59] <wolf_alex> sos...
#3786 [18:00] <wolf_alex> who wants my mix pack?
#3787 [18:02] <peru> sos... save our souls
#3788 [18:03] <mbentley> REEEEMIIIIIIIXXXX
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#3790 [18:04] <wolf_alex> lol\
#3791 [18:04] <wolf_alex> im just going to post my link here to be raped
#3792 [18:04] <wolf_alex> http://www.mediafire.com/?cyu043ioctab6gk
#3793 [18:04] * xales kicked wolf_alex from #MineCraftHelp (Reason: Don't advertise in here >.>)
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#3795 [18:05] <Abuk007> sorry my net crashed
#3796 [18:05] <Abuk007> I managed to make minecraft even faster by touching my network card and disabling offload checksum
#3797 [18:06] <Abuk007> but server still doesnt allow clients from the internet
#3798 [18:06] <Abuk007> ;/
#3799 [18:06] <Abuk007> no firewall blocking
#3800 [18:06] <xales> Do you have ports forwarded properly? Firewall completely disabled?
#3801 [18:06] <Abuk007> ports forwarded
#3802 [18:07] <xales> What firewall do you have
#3803 [18:07] <Abuk007> any service on the net shows the ports are open
#3804 [18:07] <xales> Antivirus blocking java from bind()ing? >.>
#3805 [18:07] <Abuk007> kaspersky and router firewall
#3806 [18:07] <Abuk007> java is in trusted apps
#3807 [18:07] <xales> Is the 'firewall' on the router OFF?
#3808 [18:08] <Abuk007> on
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#3810 [18:08] <Abuk007> with ports forwarded
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#3812 [18:08] <xales> Turn it off
#3813 [18:08] <Abuk007> tried turning that firewall off and antivirus totally
#3814 [18:08] <Abuk007> same thing
#3815 [18:09] <xales> Is it an Atheros NIC by any chance?
#3816 [18:09] <Abuk007> y
#3817 [18:09] <xales> Atheros cards have issues with hosting servers under Windows
#3818 [18:09] <Blutbann> just checking but with 1.2 and 1.2_01B tracks are acting funny yes?
#3819 [18:10] <Abuk007> what can I do about it?
#3820 [18:10] <xales> Blutbann: It should be fixed in 1.2_01
#3821 [18:10] <GreyVulpine> Blutbann - Yes
#3822 [18:10] <xales> Abuk007: Not use Windows
#3823 [18:10] <GreyVulpine> *should*
#3824 [18:10] <Abuk007> lol
#3825 [18:10] <Abuk007> ima gamer can t use other OS
#3826 [18:10] <Abuk007> :F
#3827 [18:10] <Blutbann> hmm alright ill probably need to just redo the server then cuz it seems to still be happening
#3828 [18:11] <Abuk007> VM can be any good?
#3829 [18:11] <xales> Maybe reconsider why you need to run a server?
#3830 [18:11] <Abuk007> like hosting a linux VM on windows?
#3831 [18:11] <xales> And no, running it in a VM just creates a shitload of new issues
#3832 [18:11] <xales> Especially on a workstation machine that isn't designed for virtualization
#3833 [18:11] <Abuk007> would buying a new network card fix the problen?
#3834 [18:11] <xales> Probably
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#3836 [18:12] <Abuk007> is that issue gonna be fixed in later server ver
#3837 [18:12] <Abuk007> ?
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#3839 [18:12] <xales> It isn't an issue with Minecraft
#3840 [18:12] <xales> it is a problem with Atheros card and Windows in general
#3841 [18:12] <Abuk007> the issue only happens with minecraft
#3842 [18:13] <Abuk007> i can host everything just not that
#3843 [18:13] <xales> People have the same issues with plenty of other things
#3844 [18:13] <xales> Minecraft is a lot more network intense than other things as well
#3845 [18:14] <Abuk007> a simple java app more complicated than a dedicated server of FPS game?
#3846 [18:14] <GreyVulpine> "simple"?
#3847 [18:14] <NinjaKirby> Oh, 'ere we go!
#3848 [18:14] <Abuk007> how to call a project thats <10 mb in size
#3849 [18:15] <xales> Filesize means nothing
#3850 [18:15] <Abuk007> compared to 4-10 gb games
#3851 [18:15] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, I'm not going to get sucked into this conversation.
#3852 [18:16] <Abuk007> wasnt it made by single person?
#3853 [18:16] <SkiingPenguins> you need to learn when to stfu
#3854 [18:16] <xales> You are awfully ignorant if you think filesize or number of developers means anything
#3855 [18:17] <Abuk007> i think number of working hi-class brains at single project is more complicated than project made by intelligent person
#3856 [18:17] <xales> Are you a developer?
#3857 [18:17] <xales> Do you know any programming at all?
#3858 [18:17] <SkiingPenguins> ive worked with cube 2 dedicated servers (fps game) and minecraft is by far more complicated -.-
#3859 [18:18] <GreyVulpine> Do you have anything that you require help on? Or are you just here to critque the game?
#3860 [18:18] <Kealper> Abuk007: please give me one reason why i should not kick you from this channel
#3861 [18:18] <Abuk007> give me a reason why should you? cant I just give out my opinion? Im asking for help and i cant understand why that issue occurs only in minecraft server software
#3862 [18:19] <xales> Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it isn't a problem
#3863 [18:19] <SkiingPenguins> you ask for help then dish out your opinion iinstead of listening to the people helping :(
#3864 [18:19] <Kealper> blame Java, not Minecraft for that problem
#3865 [18:20] <GreyVulpine> Because you obviously know nothing about game content vs game mechanics. Many FPSs are gigs in space, because they have sounds or video, or render effects that take up that much space. Go on, prove me wrong
#3866 [18:20] <Abuk007> so the atheros card issue is connected with java code?
#3867 [18:20] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#3868 [18:20] <GreyVulpine> I've set up many FPS servers as well. Their netcode is nothing like Minecraft's
#3869 [18:20] <Abuk007> thats what i was asking about
#3870 [18:20] <Abuk007> FPS are made in C++
#3871 [18:20] <Solvius> I am off to bed, see ya latersss
#3872 [18:21] <GreyVulpine> Now, you can bitch and whine about content and all.. but you can't argue that minecraft has made over a million sales, in line with other games like quake II (ID software), Command and conquer RA2
#3873 [18:21] <GreyVulpine> Unreal Tournament
#3874 [18:21] <GreyVulpine> And all of those had huge pools of programmers.
#3875 [18:21] <NinjaKirby> RA95 > RA2
#3876 [18:22] <Abuk007> nah, you cant compare it to those games, minecraft is a fenomen but not a classic
#3877 [18:22] <GreyVulpine> Uh-huh
#3878 [18:22] <GreyVulpine> Those sales have stopped
#3879 [18:22] <GreyVulpine> Minecraft hasn't
#3880 [18:22] <Abuk007> those sales were years ago
#3881 [18:22] <GreyVulpine> Exactly
#3882 [18:22] <SkiingPenguins> could someone please connect to penguinzone.servegame.com ? i'd like to see if my bandwidth causes me to lag
#3883 [18:22] <Abuk007> while minecraft is fresh project that had a bump
#3884 [18:22] <GreyVulpine> So, please, continue to critique.
#3885 [18:22] <GreyVulpine> This isn't the channel for it
#3886 [18:23] * GreyVulpine points to #minecraft
#3886 [18:23] <Kealper> poor xales lol
#3887 [18:23] <Abuk007> you keep the conversation, i was just asking about the reason of atheros conflict
#3888 [18:23] <SkiingPenguins> you got your answer
#3889 [18:23] <GreyVulpine> Well, now you have it
#3890 [18:23] <NinjaKirby> Xales: When you mentioned NIC's, do you know anything of performace differences of Onboard Realtek/VIA stuff to that of £50 Gamer cards? Are they worth it do ya know? :3
#3891 [18:23] <mbentley> gaming NICs are worthless
#3892 [18:23] <xales> NinjaKirby: No, they are a scam
#3893 [18:24] <mbentley> spend your money on faster internet
#3894 [18:24] <Kealper> NinjaKirby: in my honst opinion, it's all snake oil
#3895 [18:24] <NinjaKirby> lol, thanks for the info, my Onboard Gigabit seems to be fine, just wonderings~
#3896 [18:24] <Kealper> next time i see someone bitching about the game, i'm kicking them
#3897 [18:24] <xales> Probably a good idea
#3898 [18:24] <Kealper> bitching about the game in this channel*
#3899 [18:25] <GreyVulpine> You'll have to beat me at it
#3900 [18:25] <SkiingPenguins> please do
#3901 [18:25] <xales> What other channel are you an op in?
#3902 [18:25] <Kealper> GreyVulpine: challenge accepted :P
#3903 [18:25] <Kealper> me?
#3904 [18:25] <Kealper> just here and #mcchatter i think
#3905 [18:25] <Kealper> speaking of that though....
#3906 [18:26] <Kealper> oh, guess i'm not on AOP in that channel
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#3909 [18:29] <NinjaKirby> Really lame question: Is javaw.exe or java.exe the Server?
#3910 [18:30] <GreyVulpine> javaw?
#3911 [18:30] <GreyVulpine> I think
#3912 [18:30] <Kealper> java.exe is the console version (usually server) javaw is the gui java
#3913 [18:30] <NinjaKirby> uh, lol, okay
#3914 [18:30] <Kealper> if you run your server with the nogui parameter, it'll be java.exe, if you just run the exe, it will be javaw.exe
#3915 [18:31] <NinjaKirby> Ah, so javaw is the client, okie
#3916 [18:32] <xales> Kealper, GreyVulpine, any thoughts on changing the channel policy to "if you need to ask, you shouldn't be doing it" in regard to running a server at home, and instead point them to providers such as Multiplay?
#3917 [18:32] <Kealper> uhh.....can i vote indifferent on that?
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#3919 [18:32] * GreyVulpine shrugs
#3919 [18:32] <NinjaKirby> lol, the initial hurdle was ugly as there was like, no documentation it seemed, but now mine is running, it's a piece of cake XD
#3920 [18:32] <GreyVulpine> I'm not at all really concerned about helping people like those.
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#3924 [18:33] <Uni553> hey how rare are those new blueores
#3925 [18:33] <GreyVulpine> Pretty rare
#3926 [18:33] <xales> NinjaKirby: Yeah, but you were intelligent enough to figure it out and not need hand-holding for every step.
#3927 [18:33] <Uni553> ah
#3928 [18:33] <Uni553> harder than diamond?
#3929 [18:33] <Uni553> or easier than diamond
#3930 [18:33] <Kealper> you can find them down around the same level that you find redstone ore on
#3931 [18:33] <NinjaKirby> Xales: ^^;; I guess
#3932 [18:33] <Uni553> yeah havent had much luck yet
#3933 [18:33] <GreyVulpine> about as rare is diamond
#3934 [18:33] <GreyVulpine> if not rarer
#3935 [18:35] <NinjaKirby> I guess... I missed something in the last content patch? To the Wiki!
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#3937 [18:35] <Uni553> and im at the bottom
#3938 [18:35] <Kealper> Lapis ore
#3939 [18:35] <Uni553> yeah
#3940 [18:37] <Uni553> doing my own mine i dont really wanna cave explore
#3941 [18:37] <Uni553> heh
#3942 [18:37] <Kealper> lol
#3943 [18:37] <Uni553> that can be a bitch though
#3944 [18:37] <Uni553> cave exploring
#3945 [18:38] <NinjaKirby> Even after all this time, there are moments the Cave systems don't fail to amaze me
#3946 [18:38] <NinjaKirby> Everytime you find the vertical drop holes into darkness, or the massive openings and it's pitch black all directions.
#3947 [18:39] <Uni553> yeah
#3948 [18:39] <Uni553> stuff that just never ends
#3949 [18:39] <Uni553> easy to be lost
#3950 [18:39] <NinjaKirby> :D Oh god yeah
#3951 [18:39] <Uni553> diging out your own can be more efficient
#3952 [18:40] <NinjaKirby> Hmm, stock piles materials for structures and all
#3953 [18:40] <Turboweevel> so as it turns out opening 96 images in one go in photoshop might actually be a bad idea...
#3954 [18:40] <Turboweevel> who knew
#3955 [18:41] <Uni553> well what version is it
#3956 [18:41] <Uni553> and how powerful the machine
#3957 [18:41] <Uni553> heh
#3958 [18:41] <NinjaKirby> And how much RAM ^^;;
#3959 [18:41] <NinjaKirby> Aye, lawl
#3960 [18:41] <NinjaKirby> I was hoping my new NAS could run a Minecraft server, but it's only preloaded with 512mb ~_~
#3961 [18:42] <Kealper> lol....what OS does it run?
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#3963 [18:42] <NinjaKirby> Well... although it's getting onto Business grade, it's still... y'know what, I don't know XD
#3964 [18:43] * Kealper thinks it's probably a stripped down linux
#3964 [18:44] <NinjaKirby> Yep, you got it
#3965 [18:44] <xales> NinjaKirby: http://rim.jobs/
#3966 [18:44] <NinjaKirby> uh... I'll pass, based on that url name? lol
#3967 [18:44] <xales> LOL, that is the best part
#3968 [18:45] <xales> Go to it and see what it really is
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#3970 [18:45] <NinjaKirby> ... SFW?
#3971 [18:45] <xales> (Research In Motion {Blackberry} jobs)
#3972 [18:45] <xales> Yeah, SFW
#3973 [18:45] <NinjaKirby> lol! Ah ha
#3974 [18:45] * Kealper throws firefox in private browsing mode and prepares for the worse
#3974 [18:45] <Kealper> :(
#3975 [18:45] <Kealper> Firefox can't find the server at www.rim.jobs.
#3976 [18:45] <NinjaKirby> Wow, OpenDNS won't load it for me
#3977 [18:46] <NinjaKirby> Erm, or it's just FF
#3978 [18:46] <Kealper> probably OpenDNS, i use them too
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#3980 [18:46] <NinjaKirby> "The computers that run rim.jobs are having some trouble."
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#3982 [18:46] <xales> I get that too, on OpenDNS
#3983 [18:46] <NinjaKirby> Sounds so diiirty XD
#3984 [18:47] <xales> http://gizmodo.com/5732852/the-only-sfw-rim-jobs-on-the-internet
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#3987 [18:50] <sourbreath> i keep trying to log onto the server my friend set up and i get the message internal expception: java.io.UTFDDataFormatException:malformer data around byte 3
#3988 [18:50] <sourbreath> how do i fix this
#3989 [18:50] <mbentley> your friend needs to update their server
#3990 [18:51] <xales> !recent
#3991 [18:52] <sourbreath> another thing... minecraft often just shuts down and i get booted off of the server maybe once evry ten minutes... mroe frequently when other peoplr are on... is it a RAM problem because i have kind of an old computer
#3992 [18:52] <xales> That is most likely the issue
#3993 [18:52] <xales> the age of the computer
#3994 [18:52] <xales> something to do with that
#3995 [18:53] <mbentley> what does it do exactly when you say 'shut down' though?
#3996 [18:53] <sourbreath> the entire program ends
#3997 [18:53] <mbentley> do you get a black screen?
#3998 [18:53] <helpme> if you wanna play survivel online, do you have to have" background knowledge about server administration"?????
#3999 [18:53] <Kealper> !uptime
#4000 [18:53] <GreyVulpine> Just to play? No.
#4001 [18:53] <sourbreath> no the entire program just ends... the window isnt een open anymore
#4002 [18:53] <mbentley> if you want to run a server
#4003 [18:53] <xales> helpme: If you want to run a server, not if you want to play on one
#4004 [18:53] <GreyVulpine> To set up a server, it would be preferable
#4005 [18:54] <mbentley> hmm strange
#4006 [18:54] <xales> sourbreath: Thats almost certainly an issue relating to the age of the components
#4007 [18:54] <sourbreath> ok thanks
#4008 [18:54] <helpme> so i can play with a friend without setting up a server?
#4009 [18:54] <sourbreath> its amazing how much ram this game takes
#4010 [18:54] <GreyVulpine> No
#4011 [18:54] <GreyVulpine> You would need a server to play MP helpme.
#4012 [18:55] <helpme> intresting
#4013 [18:56] <Kealper> !time
#4014 [18:56] <GreyBot> GreyBot's time is: Sun Jan 16 18:56:22 2011.
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#4016 [18:56] <GreyVulpine> >.>
#4017 [18:56] <Kealper> !info
#4018 [18:56] <GreyVulpine> Don't you dare
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#4020 [18:57] <OODavo> If your computer is powerful enough you can run the server and a client simultaneously.
#4021 [18:57] <GreyVulpine> Man, #minecraft is on a witchhunt for bots tonight
#4022 [18:57] <Cial> yup
#4023 [18:57] <OODavo> So you don't need a separate server then.
#4024 [18:57] <Cial> i dunno why though
#4025 [18:57] * GreyVulpine stays away from #minecraft then
#4025 [18:57] * Cial is on a squid hunt
#4025 [18:58] * Kealper is on a zombie hunt
#4025 [18:59] <question> What causes colours to bleed through blocks and is there any way to prevent it? http://i.imgur.com/3PGZv.png for reference.
#4026 [18:59] <mbentley> probably your graphics card
#4027 [19:00] <xales> I get that too =/
#4028 [19:00] <NinjaKirby> Configure it so the Pixels can rotate 45 Degrees
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#4030 [19:00] <Rait> i only gewt it while digging up.
#4031 [19:00] <Rait> get*
#4032 [19:00] <question> How do I do that, ninja?
#4033 [19:00] <NinjaKirby> Sorry, ignore me ^^;;
#4034 [19:01] <NinjaKirby> I suffer the same problem, I hardly notice it though
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#4036 [19:01] <NinjaKirby> Although it is a bit of an "immersion breaker", despite you're looking at a world of blocks
#4037 [19:02] <Rait> Someone wanna play wif me? :<
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#4039 [19:02] <wolf_alex> rait me :D
#4040 [19:02] <question> I agree; it does break the immersion. It's not always an issue, but when you see red dots when digging down, it takes away the surprise of a lava pool.
#4041 [19:02] <wolf_alex> minecraft right?
#4042 [19:02] <mib_t0tm35> hay, I am having a problem with minecraft and it crashes after i log in. any idea what to do?
#4043 [19:03] <wolf_alex> mib you get a real name... jk
#4044 [19:03] <mbentley> mib_t0tm35: what sort of errors does it say?
#4045 [19:03] <xales> mib_t0tm35: What is the error when it crashes?
#4046 [19:03] <mib_t0tm35> no error, just crashed
#4047 [19:03] <mbentley> use pastebin.com please
#4048 [19:03] <mbentley> hmm
#4049 [19:03] <mib_t0tm35> crashes
#4050 [19:03] <Rait> wolf_alex: yes minecraft silly.
#4051 [19:03] <wolf_alex> :D
#4052 [19:03] <wolf_alex> I think I shall,
#4053 [19:03] <wolf_alex> btw
#4054 [19:03] <Rait> 71.221.31.172
#4055 [19:03] <wolf_alex> ok
#4056 [19:03] <mib_t0tm35> # A fatal error has been detected by the Java Runtime Environment: # # EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION (0xc0000005) at pc=0x00000000, pid=6132, tid=3604 #
#4057 [19:03] <xales> mib_t0tm35: Pastebin.com please
#4058 [19:03] <GreyVulpine> Not here
#4059 [19:03] <xales> put the whole thing on that
#4060 [19:04] <mib_t0tm35> oh, ok hold on
#4061 [19:04] <GreyVulpine> I predict a video card error
#4062 [19:04] <xales> I concur
#4063 [19:05] <mib_t0tm35> http://pastebin.com/XijW3Lt2
#4064 [19:05] <mib_t0tm35> Yeah, I just replaced my card with an old one i had laying around
#4065 [19:05] <mib_t0tm35> reinstalled drivers did not seem to help
#4066 [19:06] <mbentley> get the drivers from the manufacturer's site?
#4067 [19:06] <mib_t0tm35> yar
#4068 [19:06] <GreyVulpine> I definitely think it's a video card driver issue
#4069 [19:06] <mib_t0tm35> from ATI
#4070 [19:06] <xales> What card is it
#4071 [19:06] <mib_t0tm35> maybe i should try uninstalling/reinstalling again
#4072 [19:06] <mib_t0tm35> its a ATI x600
#4073 [19:07] * Charile-DEADorGone [Charile-DEADorGone@notlogged] has joined ##MineCraftHelp
#4074 [19:07] <mib_t0tm35> best card ever made
#4075 [19:07] <Charile> Hello, can someone help me?
#4076 [19:07] <xales> Charile: with?
#4077 [19:08] <mbentley> mib_t0tm35: you might want to try to delete the 'bin' directory from the directory %appdata%\.minecraft\ and try to start minecraft again
#4078 [19:10] <mib_t0tm35> yeah, I tried deleting the minecraft folder
#4079 [19:10] <xales> mib_t0tm35: I'd think its a problem with the card then
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#4081 [19:11] <xales> Charile: You there?
#4082 [19:11] <Charile> Well, I want to try out Minecraft Classic but when I start the game it tells me "org.lwjgl.LWJGLException: Pixel format not accelerate"
#4083 [19:11] <Charile> Sorry I had a to do something.
#4084 [19:11] <mbentley> Charile: that often means you need to update your video card drivers
#4085 [19:11] <Charile> I think because of my ca-
#4086 [19:11] <Charile> Ok.. how do you update it?
#4087 [19:11] <mbentley> do you know what video card you have?
#4088 [19:12] <Charile> I'll check.
#4089 [19:12] <mib_t0tm35> anything i can do about it or do i need to get a new card? I need to get a new one anyway but i have to hold out tell next paycheck
#4090 [19:12] <mbentley> mib_t0tm35: it almost looks like memory errors on the card
#4091 [19:12] <mbentley> (sorta just guessing though)
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#4093 [19:13] <xales> well, EAX has 0x00000012
#4094 [19:13] <Charile> My video card is: NVIDIA RIVA TNT2 Model 64/ Model 64 pro
#4095 [19:13] <xales> so its failing on a syscall
#4096 [19:13] <Charile> But I do think not a videocard.
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#4098 [19:14] <xales> That is a video card but damn...that is extremely old
#4099 [19:14] <Charile> Ya, I notice.
#4100 [19:14] <mbentley> yeah
#4101 [19:14] <NinjaKirby> lol! Wow
#4102 [19:14] <xales> The RIVA TNT2 was a graphics processing unit manufactured by Nvidia starting in early 1999. The chip is codenamed "NV5" because it is the 5th graphics chip design by Nvidia
#4103 [19:14] <mbentley> can try to update the drivers from nvidia.com
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#4105 [19:14] <xales> mbentley: 16mb vram. Won't work
#4106 [19:15] <Kaito> Okay, so my friend has had a problem with minecraft for a while: a black screen right after login and update. We tried...card drivers, a good .minecraft folder, updating java, deleting the /bin folder...and nothing works. He cant play classic through the browser, and activex wont download. I tried going into the security settings to allow it to, but it wont download. Anyone got any new ideas?
#4107 [19:15] <xales> And it probably has no OpenGL support
#4108 [19:15] <Kaito> wall of text, i know
#4109 [19:15] <mbentley> yeah, was thinking that it probably doesn't support opengl 2
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#4111 [19:16] <Carson> Has anyone else had a problem playing a world before Client 1.2 was released. It is like playing stop animation now.
#4112 [19:17] <Kaito> Carson: you mean like a bit laggy?
#4113 [19:17] <Kaito> I've had more lag problems since 1.2
#4114 [19:17] <mbentley> seems to run smoother for me since the lastest updates
#4115 [19:17] <Carson> Very laggy.
#4116 [19:17] <xales> Carson: Only with older worlds? or with new ones too
#4117 [19:17] <Kaito> 1.2_01 fixed a bunch of lag issues, but it's still a little more than before 1.2
#4118 [19:17] <Carson> I have only tried with pre 1.2 worlds.
#4119 [19:18] <mbentley> i'm still using the same world since the halloween update
#4120 [19:18] <Kane_Hart> someone posted this on my forums what does it mean lol
#4121 [19:18] <Kane_Hart> 1767235.0566392012, 2110405.042891386, 2258519.4009637954, 1785976.9029113606, 2325445.0099975034, 694578.4604144819, 696091.0209588015, 2089455.4351460675, 2390543.124124844, 2561545.3609787766, 2390543.1483845194, 2325445.030451935, 2218730.17031211, 691817.9456329589, 693659.4952059926, 693659.4974531836, 219961.3638002497, 691817.3012534332, 2604855.809238452, 2368932.0012034955,
#4122 [19:18] <Kane_Hart> 1918211.6028414483, 993012.2431161049, 14.282611735330832
#4123 [19:18] <Kane_Hart> AER--\\
#4124 [19:18] <xales> Carson: Try with a new world
#4125 [19:18] <Carson> I am getting around 4 fps even after scaling back the graphics to fast and the render to tiny.
#4126 [19:18] <xales> Kane_Hart: Um...spam bot?
#4127 [19:18] <Kane_Hart> no a player I banned
#4128 [19:18] <Kane_Hart> lol
#4129 [19:19] <Kane_Hart> wonder what AER--\\ is
#4130 [19:19] <xales> Um...spam?
#4131 [19:19] <Kane_Hart> lol i guess
#4132 [19:20] <wolf_alex> kane_hart could it be a hex code?
#4133 [19:20] <wolf_alex> or somthing :P
#4134 [19:21] <xales> Lol. hex
#4135 [19:21] <xales> Hex = 0123456789ASDF
#4136 [19:21] <OODavo> Clearly not hex.
#4137 [19:21] <xales> etc
#4138 [19:21] <OODavo> xales: There are no S characters in hex.
#4139 [19:21] <xales> err
#4140 [19:21] <xales> I realize that
#4141 [19:21] <mbentley> lol
#4142 [19:21] <xales> I went ASD instead of ABC
#4143 [19:21] <xales> :P
#4144 [19:21] <Carson> Ok new worlds are at 12-15 fps but the whole client even when I don't have a world open is laggy.
#4145 [19:22] <xales> 0123456789ABCDEF :P
#4146 [19:22] <Charile> Well, I'll just by a new computer (soon I hope). Thanks for the help :D
#4147 [19:22] <xales> Carson: That sounds like a RAM issue. What else do you have open?
#4148 [19:23] <Carson> Just MIRC and my anti-virus. You would think with 12 gigs of ram I would not have a ram issue.
#4149 [19:24] <xales> Carson: What antivirus is it?
#4150 [19:24] <Carson> norton security suite
#4151 [19:24] <xales> Yeah, that could easily be the problem
#4152 [19:24] <mbentley> might add an exception for the 'world' folder
#4153 [19:24] <xales> Norton is totally and in every way a piece of shit -/
#4154 [19:24] <xales> =/*
#4155 [19:25] <mbentley> but that wouldn't explain the lag in the client in the menu
#4156 [19:25] <mbentley> +1
#4157 [19:25] <xales> mbentley: It could, if Norton was being particularly stupid or doing a scan
#4158 [19:26] <mbentley> microsoft security essentials
#4159 [19:26] <mbentley> love it
#4160 [19:26] <Uni553> http://imgur.com/MvFmY
#4161 [19:26] <Uni553> lol
#4162 [19:26] <Carson> No scans are running except for what norton shield does normaly.
#4163 [19:26] <xales> Carson: Try completely disabling Norton
#4164 [19:26] <xales> then see if it works any better
#4165 [19:27] <Carson> Be back when I get norton turned off. I always kill my internet when I turn off my AV
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#4167 [19:34] <NinjaKirby> Has anyone queried Notch on structural support stuff? Not fully enabled/realistic Gravity, and semi-separately, I'm aware of a potential anti-gravity block.
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#4169 [19:34] <NinjaKirby> Like, if you build a massive stone walkway, you will have to render it support legs of some kind
#4170 [19:35] <NinjaKirby> Or is that taking the game the wrong way :/
#4171 [19:35] <mbentley> would be fun to enable on existing worlds and see the destruction ;)
#4172 [19:35] <xales> I think they would like to but it would be too lagy (look how much lag just leaf decay added)
#4173 [19:36] <NinjaKirby> I guess I haven't lumberjacked much ^^;; It's the "Java Engine" struggling, when it's this scale?
#4174 [19:37] <xales> That is a big part of it, but also the way it was coded isn't exactly optimum
#4175 [19:37] <NinjaKirby> Ah, I'm definately stepping out my depth here, but I guess it's not easy to add another "process thread" to deal with Physics? XD
#4176 [19:38] <xales> Not really, and even in another thread, it would still lag just as much
#4177 [19:38] <NinjaKirby> Oh, I was thinking two engines (two instances?), but perhaps it still wouldn't matter
#4178 [19:38] <NinjaKirby> I imagine the coding could be mind blowing
#4179 [19:38] <xales> It wouldn't, it would stll create the same load, and threads don't actually execute concurrently
#4180 [19:38] <xales> they only seem to
#4181 [19:38] <NinjaKirby> lol, oh right
#4182 [19:38] <Kealper> i'm sure Java can be much faster, and that the bulk of the slow is just bad code
#4183 [19:39] <NinjaKirby> Would we see an overwrite before going Gold? Or much later? Perhaps these are unanswerable, but from a Dev standpoint
#4184 [19:39] <mbentley> they probably just need to spend a few months rethinking a lot of the code
#4185 [19:39] <NinjaKirby> Right right :3
#4186 [19:39] <xales> Kealper: Indeed, but not as much as you would like. There is a reason that none of the big-name games are in Java
#4187 [19:39] <mbentley> i hope they do it before actually releasing it
#4188 [19:40] <Kealper> yeah, i know Java has it's limitations
#4189 [19:40] <xales> I think I might need to ban myself from here on release day
#4190 [19:40] <Kealper> managed code is not much of a step up from interpreted code :/
#4191 [19:40] <xales> or release week...month...year?
#4192 [19:40] <mbentley> lol xales
#4193 [19:40] <Kealper> lol
#4194 [19:43] <Kealper> i think i might go have some goulash.....
#4195 [19:44] <xales> Huh, I wonder where that Norton guy went
#4196 [19:44] <NinjaKirby> Sorry to keep bothering, can I confirm there is no sound associated with Metal Door movement? XD
#4197 [19:44] <xales> I dont thinkso
#4198 [19:45] <NinjaKirby> I only recently installed my first few on this map, and they are as silent as creepers
#4199 [19:45] <Kealper> NinjaKirby: with using redstone, no
#4200 [19:45] <Kealper> that broke a few updates ago
#4201 [19:45] <xales> "with using"? xD
#4202 [19:45] <Gold> If anyone has a second; I'm having a small problem where the game runs fine until I stand still, and then t lags to hell
#4203 [19:45] <Kealper> i engrish are infallable
#4204 [19:45] <NinjaKirby> XD This is buttons directly attached, but as long as it's... not just me :3
#4205 [19:45] <OODavo> Frell Inkscape uses a lot of memory.
#4206 [19:46] <Gold> The performance overall deteriorates quite badly afterwards.
#4207 [19:46] <OODavo> Gold: Just keep moving!
#4208 [19:46] <OODavo> :P
#4209 [19:46] <Kealper> keep it above 50 miles per hour!
#4210 [19:46] <NinjaKirby> I had the inverted problem once, any rotation caused ridiculous lag, just needed client restart
#4211 [19:47] <Gold> I actually tried that, but after it happens once, it just goes rather terrible
#4212 [19:47] <OODavo> Pop quiz, hotshot.
#4213 [19:47] <Kealper> Gold: computer specs? os?
#4214 [19:47] <Gold> WinXP, 2.8ghz duel CPUs, 2GM RAM, no graphics card
#4215 [19:48] <mbentley> that's why. dueling cpus
#4216 [19:48] <Gold> Not the most ideal machine, but I've used worse
#4217 [19:48] <NinjaKirby> lol!
#4218 [19:48] <NinjaKirby> Nice mBentley
#4219 [19:48] <Kealper> huh?
#4220 [19:48] <feenyx> loving the short clip that's up on tumblr at the moment
#4221 [19:48] <Kealper> it's probably just a single core intel with HT or a dual-core amd
#4222 [19:48] <mbentley> the lack of a dedicated graphics card hurts... what view distance do you have it set to?
#4223 [19:49] <Gold> At the moment, Normal
#4224 [19:49] <Gold> But even on Far, the game runs smoothly a startup
#4225 [19:49] <OODavo> Does it stop when you turn down the draw distance?
#4226 [19:49] <Gold> No.
#4227 [19:49] <OODavo> Hmm.
#4228 [19:49] <Kealper> oh gosh i derped so hard on that joke mbentley
#4229 [19:49] <mbentley> haha
#4230 [19:49] * Kealper goes to sit in the corner
#4230 [19:49] <Gold> I've minimised the settings as much as possible; changed priorities and tried assigning a single CPU to it
#4231 [19:50] <Gold> But always, after standing still the game bogs itself down.
#4232 [19:50] <Kealper> Gold: antivirus software?
#4233 [19:50] <Gold> I formatted this PC today and installed AVG
#4234 [19:50] <Kealper> (not what type, but do you have it)
#4235 [19:50] <Kealper> AVG......
#4236 [19:50] <Kealper> was AVG scanning stuff when this happened?
#4237 [19:51] <Gold> No.
#4238 [19:51] <mbentley> really strange that it is only when you stand still
#4239 [19:51] * Kealper is out of ideas
#4239 [19:51] <Gold> I shut everything down and had just Minecraft running
#4240 [19:51] <OODavo> Have you tried reinstalling?
#4241 [19:51] <Gold> I did google it and it's not the first time it's happened
#4242 [19:51] <Kealper> and you've restarted your computer?
#4243 [19:51] <Gold> Deleted .minecraft folder, rinstalled
#4244 [19:51] * OODavo spouts potential solutions by rote.
#4244 [19:51] <Gold> Restarted the client, the PC
#4245 [19:51] <Kealper> OODavo: you'd be surprized how much we do that here lol
#4246 [19:51] <mbentley> is your pc plugged in
#4247 [19:52] <Kealper> is your monitor turned no?
#4248 [19:52] <Kealper> on*
#4249 [19:52] <Gold> I just checked the power cord, apparently it was unplugged. You must be physic bentley.
#4250 [19:52] <mbentley> :)
#4251 [19:52] <Kealper> lol
#4252 [19:52] <mbentley> would think it would be just the opposite
#4253 [19:53] <feenyx> I'd be shit scared if he was physic, in the sense that he actually went round your house to check the power cord
#4254 [19:53] <Kealper> no but seriously...i'm totally clueless as to why it would lag while not doing anything...
#4255 [19:53] <Gold> I've found this before
#4256 [19:53] <Gold> http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=76214
#4257 [19:53] <Gold> But there's no response to it, as you can see
#4258 [19:53] <Gold> Honestly? I'm baffled
#4259 [19:54] * mbentley is clueless
#4259 [19:54] <Gold> I've also noticed it runs quicker if I look directly up.
#4260 [19:54] <xales> Oh, the norton guy went into the wrong channel (mcchatter) and said turning Norton off fixed it
#4261 [19:54] <xales> WHO WOULD HAVE GUESSED
#4262 [19:54] <xales> lol
#4263 [19:54] <Kealper> FAIL
#4264 [19:54] <mbentley> shocker
#4265 [19:55] <Kealper> Gold: the only thing i can think of is that it's somehow related to you not having a dedicated video card
#4266 [19:55] <Kealper> but aside from that...i've got nothing...lol
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#4268 [19:56] <Carson> Hey guys I am back
#4269 [19:56] <Gold> It almost seems to me like a memory leak; the longer the game runs the more of my CPU it's using for some reason
#4270 [19:56] <mbentley> spoiler: norton fixed it
#4271 [19:56] <Carson> I can now blame Norton for the lag.
#4272 [19:56] <OODavo> That's a CPU leak. :P
#4273 [19:56] <mbentley> or the lack of it
#4274 [19:56] <Gold> Yeah, sorry, I tend to confuse the two
#4275 [19:56] <OODavo> Inkscape keeps crashing. :|
#4276 [19:57] <Gold> Memory/CPU leak then
#4277 [19:57] <Kealper> Norton is basically a virus that you knowingly agree to install -.-
#4278 [19:57] * OODavo needs to install Arch already.
#4278 [19:57] <GreyVulpine> That's an insult to virii
#4279 [19:57] <Uni553> hmm wonder what a good texture pack to use would be unless i just find somethin thats all the same textures just in higher res
#4280 [19:57] <mbentley> i'd really suggest ditching norton for MSE
#4281 [19:57] <Kealper> lol grey
#4282 [19:57] * Kealper uses Avira
#4282 [19:57] * GreyVulpine uses NOD32
#4282 [19:57] * feenyx uses msse
#4282 [19:57] <Gold> I think I'll text something
#4283 [19:58] <Carson> I plan to use NOD32 but for now MSSE is fine.
#4284 [19:58] <Kealper> i love Avira for it's non-resorce-hoggingness
#4285 [19:58] * OODavo uses AVG but doesn't get Speed-esque problems in MC.
#4285 [19:58] <mbentley> only reason it keeps your pc virus free is because they see norton and are like 'eww norton...'
#4286 [19:58] <Kealper> lol
#4287 [19:58] <OODavo> The viruses take pity on Norton users.
#4288 [19:59] <NinjaKirby> NOD32 ftw
#4289 [19:59] <Kealper> "whelp, Norton....looks like it's already done more damage than i could ever dream about" *uninstalls itself*
#4290 [19:59] <mbentley> it is like norton must make people think their systems are horribly slow. sounds like a conspiracy to get people to buy new systems :)
#4291 [19:59] <xales> Kealper: "No point in running on this computer, it will just lag the rest of the botnet! Norton, after all!"
#4292 [19:59] <Kealper> xD
#4293 [20:00] <Carson> The only reason I was using norton was because my internet provider gives it to us for free.
#4294 [20:00] <Kealper> Carson: you now know why they gave it away for free
#4295 [20:00] <xales> ^
#4296 [20:00] <Kaito> while on the topic of Anti-virus...what is a /good/ anti-virus?
#4297 [20:00] <OODavo> Kaito: !Norton.
#4298 [20:00] <Kaito> I have CCleaner and Spy-bot
#4299 [20:00] * Kealper likes Avira
#4299 [20:00] <xales> Kaito: ClamWin >.>
#4300 [20:00] <GreyVulpine> those aren't AV
#4301 [20:00] <GreyVulpine> Kaito.
#4302 [20:01] <Carson> www.eset.com/nod32
#4303 [20:01] <Kaito> good point
#4304 [20:01] <GreyVulpine> I completely endorse nod32
#4305 [20:02] <Kealper> holy crap....almost 2 million posts on minecraftforum....
#4306 [20:02] <Kealper> that's gotta be a fun database
#4307 [20:02] <Gold> Yeah, the longer I run Minecraft the more RAM it uses and the laggier it gets
#4308 [20:03] <Gold> It runs fine at first.
#4309 [20:03] <Kealper> Gold: out of curiosity....
#4310 [20:03] <Kealper> without minecraft running, how much ram are you using?
#4311 [20:03] <Kaito> would a free trial of nod32 be worth it? Or is it just one of those "you have 800000000 viruses, please buy to get rid of them"
#4312 [20:03] <Gold> Uh
#4313 [20:04] <Kealper> Avira is free :P
#4314 [20:04] <Gold> I think 500MB?
#4315 [20:04] <mbentley> microsoft security essentials
#4316 [20:04] <Gold> If I'm reading Process Explorer right
#4317 [20:04] <Kealper> process explorer?
#4318 [20:04] <mbentley> don't even notice that it is running
#4319 [20:04] <Gold> It's task manager but better.
#4320 [20:05] <Kealper> task manager + resource monitor are all you'd need, but hey, whateve floats your boat
#4321 [20:05] <Gold> I had a virus embedded in one of my svchost.exe processes before I formatted; I had to use Process Explorer to make my PC useful
#4322 [20:06] <Kaito> lets try this Avira thing...
#4323 [20:06] <Gold> If I killed the process directly it'd force-reboot my PC but the virus ate 60-70% of my CPU. I had to use ProcExp manually kill the individual thread
#4324 [20:06] <Gold> so the rest of SVChost would still run
#4325 [20:06] <Gold> That's neither here nor there though
#4326 [20:07] <Kealper> and you've got 2 gigs of ram, you say?
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#4328 [20:08] <Gold> A 2GB RAM stick. It should be 3GB, but one of the sticks isn't showing up for some reason
#4329 [20:08] <Gold> I'm worried the RAM slot is dodgy
#4330 [20:08] <Gold> but when I tried swapping the sticks to see if the 1GB would work in the other slot, the PC wouldn't boot
#4331 [20:09] <Kealper> hmm.....i really don't know then...it should have enough ram to run, enough cpu power to run....graphics are probably crap, but that would lag when moving, not standing still...
#4332 [20:09] <Kealper> my favorite solution: when things go south, reinstall windows!
#4333 [20:09] <Gold> I actually did.
#4334 [20:09] <Kealper> still does it on a fresh install?
#4335 [20:09] <Gold> The aforementioned SVChost virus? I had to format it to get rid of it.
#4336 [20:09] <Gold> Yeah
#4337 [20:09] <mbentley> my favorite solution: replace windows with linux
#4338 [20:10] <Gold> Actually
#4339 [20:10] <Gold> I don't know if it was doing that before
#4340 [20:10] <mbentley> that and get rid of the stupid computer user...
#4341 [20:10] <OODavo> mbentley: Indeed.
#4342 [20:10] <Gold> I couldn't run Minecraft with the virus active
#4343 [20:10] <Kealper> mbentley: sadly, i have to agree with you on this one
#4344 [20:10] <mbentley> problem between the keyboard and the chair, etc
#4345 [20:10] <Kealper> PEBKAC >.>
#4346 [20:10] <OODavo> Good ol' I-D-ten-T error.
#4347 [20:10] <Gold> The thing is I've had a worse computer than this
#4348 [20:11] <Gold> 1GB RAM, single core, no graphics card. Minecraft ran with a bit of lag but it was otherwise fine.
#4349 [20:11] <Kealper> methinks something is screwy with that install of windows :/
#4350 [20:11] <Kealper> you seem like a competent fellow, so it's safe to assume that you have the latest graphics drivers installed?
#4351 [20:12] <Gold> It was a pain in the arse to find, but yeah I believe they're the latest
#4352 [20:12] <mbentley> yeah, i can run minecraft on my 2ghz intel pentium mobile, 2gb ram, integrated graphics. of course it is on lowest graphics
#4353 [20:12] <Gold> I could double check; there was a somewhat updated version available
#4354 [20:12] <Gold> Except it was for a newer model PC
#4355 [20:12] <mbentley> and i have an atheros wireless card
#4356 [20:12] <mbentley> but it works on linux :D
#4357 [20:12] <Gold> The description said "It works but we haven't tested it"
#4358 [20:13] <Kealper> mbentley: are you serious? lol
#4359 [20:13] <Gold> figured it was probably a better idea to stick with stable graphics drivers
#4360 [20:13] <mbentley> dead serious lol
#4361 [20:13] <Kealper> oh gosh lol
#4362 [20:13] <mbentley> it's just the laptop i keep in the living room
#4363 [20:13] <mbentley> was playing earlier on it though
#4364 [20:13] <Kealper> Gold: i can't believe i'm going to suggest this...but...
#4365 [20:13] <Kealper> ever tried linux before?
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#4367 [20:13] <Gold> I haven't.
#4368 [20:14] <Gold> I'd thought about it, but all said and done I'm not terribly great at problem-solving.
#4369 [20:14] <Kealper> got about 8 gigs of space free on your hdd? lol
#4370 [20:14] <Gold> 80GB HDD, fresh install
#4371 [20:14] <Gold> So, most of it is free
#4372 [20:14] <mbentley> certainly helps to have some problem solving skills
#4373 [20:14] <Gold> Actually
#4374 [20:14] <Gold> someone suggested Linux to me earlier
#4375 [20:14] <carter> can someone link me to latest server software
#4376 [20:14] <carter> for 1.2_01
#4377 [20:14] <mbentley> !server
#4378 [20:14] <Gold> Although for an entirely different reason
#4379 [20:15] <Kealper> Gold: give me a sec, and you'll be dual booting in a few minutes
#4380 [20:15] <Gold> Sure thing.
#4381 [20:16] <Gold> If I'm lucky it'll kill two birds with one stone.
#4382 [20:16] <OODavo> Kealper: Which distro?
#4383 [20:16] <mbentley> you just have to be open to it being different
#4384 [20:16] <mbentley> because it will be
#4385 [20:16] <Kealper> OODavo: Mint 10
#4386 [20:17] <Kealper> it's got an option to install alongside windows, and it's not Ubuntu -.-
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#4388 [20:17] <Kealper> Gold: would you prefer a torrent of this? or a direct download?
#4389 [20:17] <Kealper> actually..i'll just give you the download page
#4390 [20:17] <Gold> Direct download. I don't have uTorrent back yet
#4391 [20:17] <carter> what are some good mods to run when running a server
#4392 [20:17] <Kealper> http://www.linuxmint.com/edition.php?id=69
#4393 [20:17] <IMSTUCKWITHAMAC> guys, can i have some help
#4394 [20:17] <carter> so i can teleport players, heal health, set bind points etc.
#4395 [20:17] <Kealper> carter: you're on your own on that
#4396 [20:17] <Kaito> depends if you ask a quesiton :P
#4397 [20:18] <IMSTUCKWITHAMAC> because im stuck with a mac
#4398 [20:18] <Gold> Ah, that's an .iso
#4399 [20:18] <IMSTUCKWITHAMAC> and i need a mapeditor
#4400 [20:18] <Gold> Will this work with Daemontools or similar?
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#4402 [20:18] <carter> can you point me toward a forum or somewhere to find them
#4403 [20:18] <IMSTUCKWITHAMAC> I cant seem to run mcedit.
#4404 [20:18] <Gold> I don't have a blank disc spare at the moment
#4405 [20:18] <Kealper> this channel does not provide support to 3rd party software :/
#4406 [20:18] <IMSTUCKWITHAMAC> D:
#4407 [20:18] <IMSTUCKWITHAMAC> ok
#4408 [20:18] <Kealper> carter: there was hMod, but that is not working afaik
#4409 [20:18] <mbentley> you would need a cd
#4410 [20:18] <Kealper> damnit
#4411 [20:19] <Kealper> Gold: you don't need a cd
#4412 [20:19] <GreyVulpine> Did you update mcedit?
#4413 [20:19] <IMSTUCKWITHAMAC> yeh
#4414 [20:19] <GreyVulpine> Got python installed/
#4415 [20:19] <mbentley> oh does mint have an installer that works from windows?
#4416 [20:19] <Gold> No? That's good.
#4417 [20:19] <IMSTUCKWITHAMAC> yej
#4418 [20:19] <IMSTUCKWITHAMAC> yeh python 7
#4419 [20:19] <Kealper> install http://poweriso.com (the trial, that will do fine)
#4420 [20:19] <IMSTUCKWITHAMAC> i mean 2.7
#4421 [20:19] <Kealper> my message was @ Gold
#4422 [20:19] <IMSTUCKWITHAMAC> and pygame
#4423 [20:20] <IMSTUCKWITHAMAC> ugh macs suck
#4424 [20:20] <IMSTUCKWITHAMAC> D:
#4425 [20:20] <Kealper> Gold: PowerISO lets you mount that iso just like it was burned to a cd, so you can install it just like that
#4426 [20:20] <Gold> A bit like Daemontools then?
#4427 [20:21] <Kealper> yea
#4428 [20:21] <Gold> Used that to install SM:AC once
#4429 [20:21] <xales> ...that won't work Kealper
#4430 [20:21] <Gold> That was a tremendous pain though
#4431 [20:21] <Kealper> yes it will xales
#4432 [20:21] <xales> It will mount the disk but then do just about nothing
#4433 [20:21] <xales> have to boot from it to make it work, Kelly :P
#4434 [20:21] <Kealper> xales: Mint has an install inside windows feature, that sets up a dual boot, then copies the cd contents to it's partition
#4435 [20:22] <xales> Oh
#4436 [20:22] <xales> ignore me then
#4437 [20:22] <xales> :P
#4438 [20:22] <mbentley> it's ok xales, i was thinking the same thing
#4439 [20:22] <Gold> This will take a while I think.
#4440 [20:22] <Kealper> that's why i love Mint...all the friendlyness of Ubuntu without the such
#4441 [20:22] <Gold> 40 minute download
#4442 [20:22] <Kealper> suck*
#4443 [20:23] <Gold> I suppose that gives me time to grow the new hipster beard I'll be needing
#4444 [20:23] <Kealper> xD
#4445 [20:23] * OODavo doesn't really get how Ubuntu sucks. :|
#4445 [20:23] <mbentley> grow yourself a 'richard stallman'
#4446 [20:24] <OODavo> It's POSIX-compliant; what more does one need?
#4447 [20:24] <Gold> I was thinking a van dyke, or a neck bear.
#4448 [20:24] <Kealper> OODavo: they tried too hard to make it user friendly :/
#4449 [20:24] <mbentley> i totally agree with you there Kealper
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#4451 [20:25] <mbentley> maybe i am just really used to vanilla debian
#4452 [20:25] <OODavo> Ubuntu's the only Linux I've seen so far, so I can't really make a comparison.
#4453 [20:26] <mbentley> ubuntu is leaning toward 'kitchen sink' status for my liking
#4454 [20:26] <Cial> Ubuntu, puppy, and backtrack
#4455 [20:26] <Cial> are the ones ive used
#4456 [20:26] <Kealper> is puppy horrid now? it's been a few years since i've tried it :/
#4457 [20:27] <Cial> dunno havent used it since maybe '08
#4458 [20:27] <Kealper> oh lol
#4459 [20:28] <Cial> yea got ubuntu on a 50 gig partition on my laptop
#4460 [20:29] <Cial> and i keep a backtrack live CD on hand for shits and giggles
#4461 [20:29] <Kealper> lol
#4462 [20:30] <OODavo> Mint seems to have the whole too-user-friendly bit down too, though.
#4463 [20:30] <OODavo> What with mintmenu and all.
#4464 [20:30] <Kealper> yeah, it's a bit iffy, but it's user friendly in a way that is not totally different to someone who is used to windows
#4465 [20:31] <Gold> So for people who don't have baffling problems running Minecraft, what's the appeal with Linux?
#4466 [20:31] <OODavo> Gold: Everything.
#4467 [20:31] <Kealper> for the most part, it tends to run better
#4468 [20:31] <Gold> Well that works, I suppose.
#4469 [20:31] <OODavo> bash.
#4470 [20:31] <OODavo> screen.
#4471 [20:31] <OODavo> grep.
#4472 [20:31] <mbentley> runs better, scripting abilities
#4473 [20:31] <mbentley> easy config files
#4474 [20:31] <OODavo> awk.
#4475 [20:31] <OODavo> sed.
#4476 [20:31] <OODavo> ls
#4477 [20:31] <GreyVulpine> Able to update without having to reboot entire machine
#4478 [20:32] <Gold> I suppose we're gambling on Linux being efficient enough to not lag Minecraft then?
#4479 [20:32] <mbentley> ability to compile software
#4480 [20:32] <mbentley> with whatever flags and modules you want/need
#4481 [20:32] <OODavo> apt-get upgrade.
#4482 [20:32] <OODavo> Actually, that's the best bit.
#4483 [20:32] <OODavo> One updates every piece of software one has with a single command.
#4484 [20:32] <OODavo> It's so awesome.
#4485 [20:32] <mbentley> yeah, that's great
#4486 [20:33] <Kealper> Gold: it should, but also with the way this will bet set up, you will be able to choose to run linux or windows when you turn on your computer, so you don't lose any files/settings
#4487 [20:33] <Gold> Aha. Question
#4488 [20:33] <Gold> If I'm running Linux, can I access my documents under a windows account even if the account is protected?
#4489 [20:33] <Kealper> so you could (if this works)boot into linux to play minecraft and such, and reboot into windows to do stuff like that
#4490 [20:33] <xales> Gold: 'protected' how?
#4491 [20:33] <OODavo> Gold: Should be able to, yes.
#4492 [20:33] <Kealper> Gold: that protection only applies to other machines running windows, unless you used the BitLocker stuff
#4493 [20:34] <Gold> Windows XP has an option to stop other windows users accessing your documents
#4494 [20:34] <Kealper> that only applies to windows, linux ignores that lol
#4495 [20:34] <Gold> Aha, this is good news
#4496 [20:34] <Gold> I have a spare hard drive with some old documents on it
#4497 [20:34] <mbentley> and ntfs read/write access is very stable now
#4498 [20:34] <Gold> but it's IDE and I only have a SATA machine now, which means I have to use it as an external, and I can't boot from it
#4499 [20:35] <Kealper> :/
#4500 [20:35] <Gold> So I've been unable to get my files off it.
#4501 [20:35] <Kealper> http://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php <-- Mint using Debian directly as a base, instead of Ubuntu :O
#4502 [20:36] * Kealper downloads
#4502 [20:36] <mbentley> yeah, i've heard of that
#4503 [20:36] <mbentley> might have to check that out
#4504 [20:36] <Gold> I haven't even installed Linux yet and I'm starting to like it.
#4505 [20:36] <Kealper> lol
#4506 [20:36] <mbentley> that ss looks like kde
#4507 [20:37] <Kealper> it's their own customized Gnome
#4508 [20:37] <mbentley> ah ok
#4509 [20:37] <Kealper> it's actually quite nice, i like it
#4510 [20:38] <mbentley> would have to get used to going to the bottom :D
#4511 [20:38] <Kealper> lol
#4512 [20:39] <mbentley> also, <3 rolling release
#4513 [20:39] <Kealper> yeah, that's what is making me like this....i wish i had a spare hdd to throw in my computer :/
#4514 [20:39] <Kealper> i can't afford a partitioned space on my main drive..no room
#4515 [20:39] <Gold> I have a dozen lying around, if you're looking for 40GB IDE drives.
#4516 [20:40] <Kealper> xD
#4517 [20:40] <Gold> I pried open a few Xbox's at one point, as well as fairly old computers
#4518 [20:40] <OODavo> Quick, I need a line for Doctor Forrester! There is a gap in my script! :|
#4519 [20:42] <Kealper> hmm...20 min till this is done downloading...brb i guess, geting fod
#4520 [20:43] <Kealper> getting food*
#4521 [20:43] <xales> whatcha downloading?
#4522 [20:43] <Kealper> the Debian-based Mint
#4523 [20:44] <xales> there is a non-debian based Mint?
#4524 [20:45] <OODavo> xales: There's an Ubuntu-based Mint.
#4525 [20:46] <OODavo> So it's like Debian's second cousin.
#4526 [20:46] <xales> Oh, that would be why I was confused
#4527 [20:46] * OODavo realises that the reason why nobody is providing a line for the comic is that nobody has any idea what it is.
#4527 [20:46] <OODavo> Darn.
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#4530 [20:50] <Gold> Ah, Kealper
#4531 [20:50] <Gold> I keep getting Java errors on my desktop
#4532 [20:50] <Kealper> what errors?
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#4534 [20:51] <carter> how do you turn monsters on in multiplayer
#4535 [20:51] <carter> its night and there arent any mobs
#4536 [20:51] <Gold> hs_err_pid(number sequence)
#4537 [20:51] <OODavo> carter: server.properties
#4538 [20:51] <carter> and restart the server?
#4539 [20:51] <OODavo> I think it's enable-mobs or something.
#4540 [20:51] <OODavo> Yes.
#4541 [20:51] <carter> kk thx
#4542 [20:51] <Kealper> Gold: O.o is that all itsays or is there a big log of them?
#4543 [20:51] <carter> is there a way to make it really hard
#4544 [20:52] <Gold> It's a log. I have about six of them. Want me to pastebin one?
#4545 [20:52] <mbentley> Gold: i get those too when i run ro mthe .jar
#4546 [20:52] <OODavo> carter: I don't think you can set a specific difficulty on SMP.
#4547 [20:52] <Kealper> Gold: please
#4548 [20:52] <OODavo> Just mobs or no mobs.
#4549 [20:52] <GreyVulpine> mbentley - OpenAL
#4550 [20:52] <GreyVulpine> update
#4551 [20:52] <GreyVulpine> replace
#4552 [20:52] <GreyVulpine> /.minecraft/bin/natives
#4553 [20:52] <mbentley> but only on my windows machine at work
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#4555 [20:52] <Gold> http://pastebin.com/maRCYPNp
#4556 [20:52] <mbentley> and only when i close minecraft
#4557 [20:52] <GreyVulpine> Yup
#4558 [20:52] <GreyVulpine> it's because of OpenAL
#4559 [20:53] <Gold> I perhaps should've mentioned this earlier but for some reason I've only just noticed them
#4560 [20:53] <KillSpammer> Hey guys, I am back!
#4561 [20:53] <Kealper> damn GreyVulpine you nailed that
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#4563 [20:54] <Kealper> and hi KillSpammer
#4564 [20:54] <Gold> Is that any use, Kealper?
#4565 [20:54] <Kealper> Gold: when does it give that report?
#4566 [20:54] <Gold> Uh.
#4567 [20:54] <Gold> They're just appearing on my desktop
#4568 [20:54] <Kealper> hmmm...
#4569 [20:54] <KillSpammer> Took your time!
#4570 [20:54] <Gold> There's no crash
#4571 [20:54] <GreyVulpine> You get it when you close minecraft
#4572 [20:54] <GreyVulpine> It's OpenAL
#4573 [20:55] <Kealper> i doubt that is the issue then
#4574 [20:55] <GreyVulpine> It's a benign error
#4575 [20:55] <GreyVulpine> doesn't cause any problems
#4576 [20:55] <GreyVulpine> just an error log on the directory where you have minecraft.exe
#4577 [20:55] <GreyVulpine> whenever you close it
#4578 [20:55] <Gold> No? I was hoping it'd help identify I'm getting lag.
#4579 [20:55] <GreyVulpine> Nope
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#4583 [21:01] <SolidGold> Well that's a good sign.
#4584 [21:01] <Kealper> DC?
#4585 [21:01] <SolidGold> Firefox crashed.
#4586 [21:01] <Kealper> :/
#4587 [21:01] <KillSpammer> I got dced if anyone cares?
#4588 [21:02] <Kealper> well yea but you are not trying to download a linux distro lol
#4589 [21:02] <KillSpammer> Fuck off microsoft automaticly making my default browser IE
#4590 [21:02] <Kealper> speaking of linux distros
#4591 [21:02] <Kealper> mine is done
#4592 [21:02] <SolidGold> I personally refused to download any IE updates, and that Browser Choice thing
#4593 [21:05] <KillSpammer> I just use chrome because its fast
#4594 [21:05] <SkiingPenguins> as do i
#4595 [21:05] <KillSpammer> I like firefox better because it has more plugin choices
#4596 [21:05] <KillSpammer> But i don't really stay on the same webpage for a long time
#4597 [21:05] <SolidGold> I had issues with tabs crashing a lot on Chrome
#4598 [21:05] <KillSpammer> Its much easier to have a website up in 4 seconds
#4599 [21:06] <KillSpammer> Then waiting 17 seconds for IE or Firefox(With a shitload of plugins).
#4600 [21:06] <KillSpammer> It crashes alot yeah...
#4601 [21:06] <KillSpammer> I usually only have open 2 at a time
#4602 [21:07] <Kealper> wow....that Mint Debian boots from a live cd QUICK lol
#4603 [21:07] <GreyVulpine> Huh... coco beans was in beta 1.2
#4604 [21:07] <Kealper> wut
#4605 [21:08] <GreyVulpine> minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Coco_Beans
#4606 [21:08] <mbentley> looks like poop
#4607 [21:09] <Kealper> lol
#4608 [21:09] <KillSpammer> I like how the Bone Meal makes crops instangrow
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#4610 [21:10] <Kealper> hmm...what filesystem to use.....
#4611 [21:10] <GreyVulpine> FAT12
#4612 [21:10] <Kealper> ext3 good enough for government work?
#4613 [21:10] <mbentley> i'd just use ext4
#4614 [21:10] <Kealper> lemme see if it has ext4 in here, and lul it has fat12
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#4616 [21:10] <GreyVulpine> lol
#4617 [21:11] <SolidGold> Bone Meal?
#4618 [21:11] <GreyVulpine> Yeah
#4619 [21:11] <GreyVulpine> skellies drop bones
#4620 [21:11] <GreyVulpine> which you can craft to bone meal
#4621 [21:11] <SolidGold> Aha; I'm a little behind on updates
#4622 [21:12] <SolidGold> I haven't played since the halloween update; personal and computer problems
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#4625 [21:14] <NinjaKirby> Shatting my pants, gone into my local cavern system, Creeper standing there like Slimer at the end of the Corridor. Except he's phase inverted and frozen -_-
#4626 [21:15] <NinjaKirby> It's like he could come alive any second...
#4627 [21:15] <SkiingPenguins> creepers scare me very much
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#4629 [21:16] <NinjaKirby> >_< He's spawned in such a place, that I can see him from nearly every angle of the room, despite all it's obstacles
#4630 [21:17] <Kealper> this needs to install faster
#4631 [21:21] <SolidGold> There are music blocks available?
#4632 [21:21] <GreyVulpine> Indeed
#4633 [21:21] <SolidGold> Interesting. I assume people are already composing songs?
#4634 [21:21] <GreyVulpine> Of course
#4635 [21:22] <GreyVulpine> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIkLBHf5S8w - Skip to 1:30
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#4638 [21:23] <SolidGold> Nice
#4639 [21:23] <SolidGold> I have Tetris as my ringtone
#4640 [21:24] <GreyVulpine> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGx8oS-obaU
#4641 [21:24] * GreyVulpine thinks that's better
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#4642 [21:29] <KillSpammer> Beep
#4643 [21:30] <KillSpammer> Old Windows Commercial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL4hyATkQ74&feature=grec_index
#4644 [21:30] <SolidGold> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG9SPywEGm4
#4645 [21:30] <SolidGold> Jesus christ
#4646 [21:30] <KillSpammer> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG9SPywEGm4
#4647 [21:31] <KillSpammer> Wait lol
#4648 [21:31] <KillSpammer> Wrong chat
#4649 [21:31] <KillSpammer> :(
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#4651 [21:33] <OODavo> Kealper[Mint]: You got it installed?
#4652 [21:33] <OODavo> Is it awesome?
#4653 [21:33] <Kealper[Mint]> it's not bad at all
#4654 [21:33] <Kealper[Mint]> 231 recommended updates at startup though lol
#4655 [21:34] <OODavo> That's a lot.
#4656 [21:34] <OODavo> You didn't just get them during install? :/
#4657 [21:34] <Kealper[Mint]> doesn't do that for this :/
#4658 [21:35] <OODavo> Well, that sucks.
#4659 [21:35] <KillSpammer> Wut?
#4660 [21:36] <KillSpammer> Whatcha talking about?
#4661 [21:36] <Kealper> a Debian based copy of Mint 10
#4662 [21:40] <Kealper> hmm...the low temp for tonight is -1F :/
#4663 [21:41] <Ronjoe> SolidGold: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0yDLDQQOR4
#4664 [21:42] <Ronjoe> im still working on it
#4665 [21:42] <SolidGold> You're building that?
#4666 [21:42] <SolidGold> I'd like to give it a go myself
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#4668 [21:43] <SolidGold> But, it's taking me several in-game days to build a rudimentary house with the lag I'm suffering
#4669 [21:43] <SolidGold> Although I must say, the clicking of the plates is something of a distraction
#4670 [21:43] <SolidGold> Also, Notch needs electric guitar blocks.
#4671 [21:44] <Ronjoe> i think itd be better he adds a higher and lower octave of instruments
#4672 [21:44] <Ronjoe> if*
#4673 [21:44] <Ronjoe> ive run into issues already because of my 3 octave limit
#4674 [21:45] <GreyVulpine> Shameless plug. My suggestion for music blocks/jukeboxes
#4675 [21:45] <GreyVulpine> http://getsatisfaction.com/mojang/topics/mml_for_jukeboxes_records
#4676 [21:45] <GreyVulpine> Use MML for records, playable in jukeboxes
#4677 [21:46] <GreyVulpine> Thinking of adding in that note blocks determine the instrument played, when connected to jukeboxes
#4678 [21:46] <OODavo> Inkscape's path effects are not behaving properly. :|
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#4681 [21:48] <Coll> just a wuestion
#4682 [21:48] <Coll> question
#4683 [21:48] <OODavo> Coll: Ask it.
#4684 [21:48] <KillSpammer> Fire away
#4685 [21:48] <Coll> do servers work currently
#4686 [21:48] <KillSpammer> At GreyVulpine
#4687 [21:48] <KillSpammer> :)
#4688 [21:48] <KillSpammer> Yes
#4689 [21:48] <KillSpammer> The original server software do
#4690 [21:48] <Coll> hmm
#4691 [21:48] <KillSpammer> es*
#4692 [21:48] <Coll> orginal?
#4693 [21:48] <Coll> what do you mean by that?
#4694 [21:48] <KillSpammer> But most of the modded server software is not working
#4695 [21:48] <KillSpammer> Vanilla
#4696 [21:48] <Coll> ok
#4697 [21:49] <KillSpammer> http://www.minecraft.net/download.jsp
#4698 [21:49] <Coll> I know that
#4699 [21:49] <Coll> jsut asking and making sure
#4700 [21:49] <Zuty> Hi, I am unable to connect to my server from another computer. I did just move my computer upstairs, but I doubt that did anything to it. Right now when I try and connect I time out, the error I get on the server window thingy says "NAME lost connection: disconnect.genericReason" Just wondering what I am doing different ... It's right IP and the ports should
#4701 [21:49] <Zuty> still be forwarded
#4702 [21:49] <Coll> I am hearing that they are broken
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#4704 [21:50] <KillSpammer> Coll: Most of the server software that was modded by people other than notch is broken, but the original server software that notch made works :)
#4705 [21:51] <Zuty> NVM, guess the router zonked out cause the port is apparently closed :/
#4706 [21:51] <Zuty> 25565 is the port I need open, correct?
#4707 [21:51] <KillSpammer> Correct.
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#4710 [21:53] <Zuty> Hmmm ... Okay ... It is open ...
#4711 [21:53] <Zuty> IDK why it is doing this then
#4712 [21:54] <KillSpammer> It not an error i know of..
#4713 [21:54] <KillSpammer> Never seen it before :S
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#4715 [21:54] <KillSpammer> Perhaps its your firewall?
#4716 [21:54] <Zuty> Odd ... I can connect on the server side, but as soon as I go on my laptop I get that error ...
#4717 [21:54] <Zuty> Maybe ... I don't think I have one in place tho ...
#4718 [21:55] <KillSpammer> Have you tried with something else?
#4719 [21:55] <KillSpammer> Type !check <yourip>
#4720 [21:55] <KillSpammer> Your ip as in the ip to the server
#4721 [21:55] <Kealper[Mint]> alternatively now
#4722 [21:55] <Kealper[Mint]> !check
#4723 [21:55] <KillSpammer> :O
#4724 [21:55] <KillSpammer> Cool :)
#4725 [21:55] <Kealper[Mint]> just typing !check will check your own ip
#4726 [21:56] <Kealper[Mint]> and as protection from nubs
#4727 [21:56] <Kealper[Mint]> !check 192.168.1.100
#4728 [21:56] <Zuty> !check
#4729 [21:56] <Zuty> Where am I doing this?
#4730 [21:56] <KillSpammer> YESS!
#4731 [21:56] <KillSpammer> Notch allows you to hold down backspace now
#4732 [21:56] <KillSpammer> On the server ip
#4733 [21:56] <GreyVulpine> Heh yeah
#4734 [21:57] <Kealper[Mint]> i thnk that was introduced in the beta 1.0 update
#4735 [21:57] * GreyVulpine nods
#4735 [21:57] <SolidGold> kealper
#4736 [21:57] <Kealper[Mint]> yessir?
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#4738 [21:57] <SolidGold> I've finished downloading that thing
#4739 [21:57] <KillSpammer> Kealper[Mint], I am on your server :)
#4740 [21:57] <SolidGold> Unfortunately I didn't grow a beard in time but I did get some nice sideburns, which should do.
#4741 [21:57] <Kealper[Mint]> KillSpammer: lol, just mind the signs inside the brick building
#4742 [21:57] <Kealper[Mint]> SolidGold: that'll work
#4743 [21:58] <SolidGold> I'm assuming I just run the .exe within the iso?
#4744 [21:58] <Kealper[Mint]> use any tool (poweriso, daemon tools..etc) to mount said iso
#4745 [21:58] <SolidGold> Oh, mount it
#4746 [21:58] <SolidGold> I'm looking at the disc contents for some reason
#4747 [21:58] <SolidGold> Probably because it's 3 am
#4748 [21:58] <Kealper[Mint]> lol
#4749 [21:58] <SolidGold> I need to reboot first.
#4750 [21:59] <SolidGold> Be back soon
#4751 [21:59] <Kealper[Mint]> k
#4752 [21:59] <KillSpammer> Mount the iso!
#4753 [21:59] <Kealper[Mint]> i wonder if i can run minecraft on this through a vm
#4754 [22:02] <OODavo> Kealper[Mint]: On Mint?
#4755 [22:02] <Kealper[Mint]> yeah
#4756 [22:02] <Coll> oh
#4757 [22:02] <Coll> is minecraft.net down
#4758 [22:02] <Kealper[Mint]> no
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#4760 [22:02] <Kealper[Mint]> i JUST went to it to get the latest client
#4761 [22:02] <OODavo> You shouldn't need a VM. Apart from the JVM, obviously.
#4762 [22:02] <Coll> my launcher wont connect to it for some reason
#4763 [22:03] <SkiingPenguins> Coll retry it, mine was acting up also
#4764 [22:03] <Coll> tried five times
#4765 [22:03] <Kealper[Mint]> OODavo: i mean through VMWare...lol
#4766 [22:03] <Coll> no
#4767 [22:03] <OODavo> Huh?
#4768 [22:03] <Coll> nothing
#4769 [22:03] <Kealper[Mint]> i didn't have an extra hdd to install this on properly, and i can't afford the space for a partition on my windows drive :/
#4770 [22:03] <Coll> :/
#4771 [22:03] <OODavo> Oh, are you running Mint IN VMWare?
#4772 [22:04] <Kealper[Mint]> yea
#4773 [22:04] <OODavo> Okay, that makes sense then.
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#4775 [22:05] <Kealper[Mint]> woh....no blackscreen....but it's loading SLOOOOOOOW
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#4778 [22:06] <Kealper[Mint]> lol it actually works, it just goes at 1fps
#4779 [22:06] <scarydude6> Hello.
#4780 [22:06] <Kealper[Mint]> hi
#4781 [22:07] <scarydude6> Every time i join my server for classic it says failed to connect.
#4782 [22:07] <scarydude6> :\
#4783 [22:07] <OODavo> scarydude6: Greetings.
#4784 [22:07] <scarydude6> what now?
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#4786 [22:07] <OODavo> scarydude6: Just yours?
#4787 [22:07] <scarydude6> im also using icraft
#4788 [22:07] <OODavo> Not other servers?
#4789 [22:07] <scarydude6> yea just my server
#4790 [22:07] <Live-Dimension> hello... is there any way to disable SMP health regen (like hard/normal) mode in singleplayer?
#4791 [22:07] <OODavo> What's the URL?
#4792 [22:07] <scarydude6> hold on
#4793 [22:07] <SolidGold> Install inside Windows, kealper?
#4794 [22:08] <Kealper[Mint]> Live-Dimension: just don't run it in peaceful :P
#4795 [22:08] <OODavo> Live-Dimension: If mobs are on in SMP health doesn't regen.
#4796 [22:08] <Kealper[Mint]> yes SolidGold
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#4798 [22:08] <Pelisoli> i need help guys
#4799 [22:08] <Live-Dimension> OODavo: mobs as in monsters or just animals?
#4800 [22:08] <Kealper[Mint]> SolidGold: it will ask you a bit of basic info, and then you can install it, and it does everythingfor you
#4801 [22:08] <Pelisoli> can some one help me with the gift codes?
#4802 [22:08] <scarydude6> the link is
#4803 [22:08] <scarydude6> http://www.minecraft.net/play.jsp?server=83df62206443b0ba20291abed4f28e31
#4804 [22:09] <scarydude6> just tried connecting again nothing
#4805 [22:09] <OODavo> Live-Dimension: SOrry, monsters.
#4806 [22:09] <Live-Dimension> OODavo: no way to do it without spawning monsters?
#4807 [22:09] <OODavo> Live-Dimension: Pretty sure there isn't.
#4808 [22:09] <Pelisoli> if i Register and buy a Buy 1 gift code Can i offer the Preming account to some one else by only seding him a email with the Code right?
#4809 [22:10] <OODavo> Pelisoli: If you send someone the gift code they get the account, yes.
#4810 [22:10] <Live-Dimension> OODavo: ugh.. typical. thanks anyway
#4811 [22:10] <Kealper[Mint]> Pelisoli: correct, all they will need is just that code
#4812 [22:10] <scarydude6> OODavo: the link is
#4813 [22:10] <scarydude6> http://www.minecraft.net/play.jsp?server=83df62206443b0ba20291abed4f28e31
#4814 [22:10] <OODavo> scarydude6: Got it.
#4815 [22:11] <scarydude6> it sends you to singleplayer o.o but if you try it with the WoM client you cant connect
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#4817 [22:11] <OODavo> Yeah, that's how it works.
#4818 [22:11] <Pelisoli> Kealper[Mint]: sorry but
#4819 [22:12] <OODavo> If the server's not working you get singleplayer instead.
#4820 [22:12] <Pelisoli> i am paying the Gift code
#4821 [22:12] <Pelisoli> when i put the email of the person i want to offer?
#4822 [22:12] <scarydude6> then how do i get the icraft server to work?
#4823 [22:12] <Kealper[Mint]> Pelisoli: i can't help that much, i've never bought a gift code :/
#4824 [22:12] <Pelisoli> ho ok
#4825 [22:13] <OODavo> scarydude6: I'm checking it out.
#4826 [22:13] <OODavo> Do you have your ports forwarded properly?
#4827 [22:13] <scarydude6> k
#4828 [22:13] <scarydude6> it should have
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#4830 [22:13] <Kealper[Mint]> Pelisoli: just to be on the safe side though, have your own email in there, so if it does email that address to say that you got a gift code, then you can just give said gift code to the person that it was intended for
#4831 [22:13] <scarydude6> i host a minecraft beta server and it works fine
#4832 [22:14] <Pelisoli> ok
#4833 [22:14] <Pelisoli> but when that person recive the code i just send her
#4834 [22:14] <Pelisoli> how he buys the game?
#4835 [22:14] <Pelisoli> "buy"
#4836 [22:14] <Pelisoli> reclaim
#4837 [22:14] <GreyVulpine> he redeems it
#4838 [22:14] <xales> http://minecraft.net/redeem.jsp
#4839 [22:14] <Kealper[Mint]> because all they need is just that gift code itself, and they can log in to the mincraft site, and go to http://minecraft.net/redeem.jsp
#4840 [22:14] <Pelisoli> hooo
#4841 [22:14] <Pelisoli> ok
#4842 [22:14] <Pelisoli> i seee
#4843 [22:15] <Pelisoli> so this is the exact thing as buying the game?
#4844 [22:15] <Pelisoli> right?
#4845 [22:15] <Kealper[Mint]> yu[
#4846 [22:15] <Kealper[Mint]> yup*
#4847 [22:15] <OODavo> Pelisoli: Yeah.
#4848 [22:15] <Pelisoli> hmm ok 1 last thing
#4849 [22:15] <scarydude6> OODavo: does it work?
#4850 [22:15] <Pelisoli> and to join some cool survival Servers ?
#4851 [22:15] <Pelisoli> is there any list?
#4852 [22:15] <OODavo> scarydude6: It doesn't appear to work from here, either.
#4853 [22:15] <Kealper[Mint]> http://servers.minecraftforum.net
#4854 [22:15] <OODavo> Something's clearly wrong with your server configuration.
#4855 [22:16] <Pelisoli> ho tks mate
#4856 [22:16] <Pelisoli> mates*
#4857 [22:16] <scarydude6> OODavo: D: well my friend set it up
#4858 [22:16] <scarydude6> for me*
#4859 [22:16] <OODavo> Hmm.
#4860 [22:16] <scarydude6> hmm i tried the minecraft one but it doesnt work
#4861 [22:16] <scarydude6> i mean at all
#4862 [22:16] <GreyVulpine> Why doesn't it work?
#4863 [22:17] <scarydude6> you download the thing and click the .bat file right?
#4864 [22:17] <GreyVulpine> Sure....
#4865 [22:17] <scarydude6> nothing happens when i do that.
#4866 [22:17] <GreyVulpine> After port forwarding, making sure your firewall accepts connections
#4867 [22:17] <GreyVulpine> Did you try connecting with the URL?
#4868 [22:17] <scarydude6> yea it sends me to SP
#4869 [22:17] <scarydude6> http://www.minecraft.net/play.jsp?server=83df62206443b0ba20291abed4f28e31
#4870 [22:17] <Kealper[Mint]> hmmmmmm.....i've got a rogue minecraft client right now >.>
#4871 [22:17] <GreyVulpine> Your server up?
#4872 [22:17] <scarydude6> yup.
#4873 [22:18] <GreyVulpine> Works fine here
#4874 [22:18] <scarydude6> O.o
#4875 [22:18] <Kealper[Mint]> wait
#4876 [22:18] <Kealper[Mint]> i know
#4877 [22:18] <Kealper[Mint]> http://www.minecraft.net/play.jsp?server=83df62206443b0ba20291abed4f28e31&override=true
#4878 [22:18] <GreyVulpine> Sometimes that works, sure
#4879 [22:19] <GreyVulpine> Other times - http://www.minecraft.net/play.jsp?ip=127.0.0.1&port=25565&override=true
#4880 [22:19] <scarydude6> WTF? o.O
#4881 [22:19] <GreyVulpine> And turn verify-names off
#4882 [22:19] <scarydude6> im using iCraft and my friend doen the settings.
#4883 [22:19] <Kealper[Mint]> so how do i kill a process in linux that does not involve killall? lol
#4884 [22:20] <scarydude6> and my friend is using winXP
#4885 [22:20] <OODavo> Kealper[Mint]: kill?
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#4887 [22:20] <Kealper[Mint]> neither kill nor killall work
#4888 [22:20] <OODavo> Kealper[Mint]: kill -9
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#4890 [22:21] <scarydude6> o.o weird
#4891 [22:22] <scarydude6> GreyVulpine: i cant connect to my own server but others can
#4892 [22:22] <GreyVulpine> scarydude6 - try
#4893 [22:22] <GreyVulpine> http://www.minecraft.net/play.jsp?ip=127.0.0.1&port=25565&override=true
#4894 [22:22] <scarydude6> k
#4895 [22:22] <Kealper[Mint]> OODavo: thanks lol, that did the trick
#4896 [22:22] <scarydude6> :D
#4897 [22:22] <scarydude6> works thanks
#4898 [22:22] * GreyVulpine nods
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#4899 [22:23] <OODavo> Kealper[Mint]: You're welcome. ^_^
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#4901 [22:24] <Kealper[Mint]> this Debian Mint is actually really nice, much better than the normal Ubuntu Mint
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#4903 [22:25] <Zi> I have a problem with minecraft. Can anyone help me?
#4904 [22:25] <Kealper[Mint]> stuff is just working (sans the really slow minecraft, but it's a VM)
#4905 [22:25] <Kealper[Mint]> Zi: what problem?
#4906 [22:25] <Zi> When I try to run it, I get a black screen.
#4907 [22:25] <Zi> After it has downloaded all the updates and the Mojang screen disappears.
#4908 [22:25] <Kealper[Mint]> black screens are never good...
#4909 [22:26] <Zi> Uh-oh.
#4910 [22:26] <Kealper[Mint]> has it ran before?
#4911 [22:26] <Zi> No. I just bought it today.
#4912 [22:26] <Kealper[Mint]> hmmm...
#4913 [22:26] <Zi> I can play Alpha in the browser though.
#4914 [22:26] <Kealper[Mint]> so it works fine in the browser but not in the downloaded client?
#4915 [22:26] <Zi> The beta doesn't work in the browser. Only single player Alpha.
#4916 [22:27] <GreyVulpine> erm
#4917 [22:27] <GreyVulpine> you mean classic
#4918 [22:27] <Zi> Yeah. That.
#4919 [22:27] <Kealper[Mint]> assuming classic
#4920 [22:27] <Kealper[Mint]> lol
#4921 [22:27] <Zi> Play Minecraft Classic (Outdated, but free):
#4922 [22:27] <Zi> Yeah. :P
#4923 [22:27] <GreyVulpine> Okay then.
#4924 [22:27] <GreyVulpine> Zi, what's your minecraft username?
#4925 [22:27] <Zi> Pentip.
#4926 [22:28] <GreyVulpine> What OS are you on?
#4927 [22:28] <Zi> Windows XP.
#4928 [22:28] <Zi> My computer is really old. Heh.
#4929 [22:28] <GreyVulpine> Can you go to your start menu -> run -> type in: %appdata%
#4930 [22:28] <Zi> Yep.
#4931 [22:28] <GreyVulpine> Look for a .minecraft folder
#4932 [22:28] <Zi> Got it.
#4933 [22:29] <GreyVulpine> Do you see some files and folders in there?
#4934 [22:29] <Zi> Yessir.
#4935 [22:29] <Zi> Or Ma'am.
#4936 [22:29] <GreyVulpine> Open up /bin/
#4937 [22:29] <GreyVulpine> What do you see in there?
#4938 [22:30] <Zi> A folder, titled natives, and jinput.jar, lwjgl.jar, lwjgl_util.jar, minecraft.jar, and version
#4939 [22:30] <Zi> Woulda been easier to copy and paste the names...
#4940 [22:30] <GreyVulpine> /natives/ folder have 8 files in there?
#4941 [22:31] <Zi> Yup.
#4942 [22:31] <Kealper[Mint]> hmmm..... Zi is your computer any good? or is it super old?
#4943 [22:31] <GreyVulpine> Okay, looks like it's downloaded files there alright
#4944 [22:31] <Zi> It's fairly old.
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#4946 [22:31] <Kealper[Mint]> what os?
#4947 [22:31] <Zi> XP.
#4948 [22:32] <scarydude6> im still here and confused....
#4949 [22:32] <Zi> I have 500mb of ram...
#4950 [22:32] <SkiingPenguins> o.o
#4951 [22:32] <GreyVulpine> eeks
#4952 [22:32] <scarydude6> can anyone join this
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#4954 [22:32] <scarydude6> http://www.minecraft.net/play.jsp?ip=127.0.0.1&port=25565&override=true
#4955 [22:32] <GreyVulpine> scarydude6 - That's only for yourself
#4956 [22:32] <Kealper[Mint]> Zi: it probably does not have enough ram to start minecraft :/
#4957 [22:32] <SkiingPenguins> scarydude6 that goes to your local server ^.^
#4958 [22:32] <Zi> I will go and ask my stepfather to return one of the 2 sticks of 1gb ram to me.
#4959 [22:32] <Zi> If that made any sense...
#4960 [22:32] <Zi> I think it may be something with OpenGL.
#4961 [22:32] <Kealper[Mint]> it did lol
#4962 [22:32] <SkiingPenguins> yea those are helpful
#4963 [22:32] <scarydude6> ??
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#4965 [22:32] <GreyVulpine> Zi - Can you get the .jar file from http://www.minecraft.net/download.jsp
#4966 [22:33] <Zi> Yessir.
#4967 [22:33] <SolidGold> kealper
#4968 [22:33] <Kealper[Mint]> SolidGold
#4969 [22:33] <GreyVulpine> See if you can't use it with reduced RAM requirements
#4970 [22:33] <SolidGold> I've installed Mint
#4971 [22:33] <SolidGold> But there is something of a flaw in your plan
#4972 [22:33] <scarydude6> GreyVulpine: then how do i make it a public server?
#4973 [22:33] <Zi> okay.
#4974 [22:33] <Zi> Guide me through this?
#4975 [22:33] <Kealper[Mint]> SolidGold: i dislike flaws, what is it? lol
#4976 [22:33] <GreyVulpine> scarydude6 - You already have a public server
#4977 [22:33] <GreyVulpine> scarydude6 - I was on it
#4978 [22:33] <GreyVulpine> Zi - Got it downloaded?
#4979 [22:33] <SolidGold> Well, this is a desktop that uses a USB device to connect to the internet
#4980 [22:33] <Zi> Yup.
#4981 [22:34] <GreyVulpine> Okay, in the same folder, make a text file
#4982 [22:34] <Zi> create a .bat file?
#4983 [22:34] <GreyVulpine> Yup
#4984 [22:34] <SolidGold> since otherwire I'd have to run a 30-foot LAN through my house
#4985 [22:34] <Zi> :P
#4986 [22:34] <scarydude6> O.o
#4987 [22:34] <Zi> okay.
#4988 [22:34] <GreyVulpine> scarydude6 - What was the original URL you got from the server
#4989 [22:34] <Kealper[Mint]> SolidGold: Mint should just be able to work with wireless
#4990 [22:34] <SolidGold> Mint doesn't seem to pick up my wireless device, since the drivers are installed to Windows
#4991 [22:34] <GreyVulpine> Zi - Have this in your .bat file: java -Xmx128M -Xms128M -cp Minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame
#4992 [22:34] <scarydude6> http://www.minecraft.net/play.jsp?server=83df62206443b0ba20291abed4f28e31
#4993 [22:34] <scarydude6> original link
#4994 [22:34] <GreyVulpine> Hopefully you have 128 megs free
#4995 [22:35] <xales> Kealper[Mint]: Special drivers are needed for USB wifi
#4996 [22:35] <Zi> Mkay.
#4997 [22:35] <Zi> done.
#4998 [22:35] <GreyVulpine> Launch via that .bat file
#4999 [22:35] <Kealper[Mint]> genrics won't cut it? darn
#5000 [22:35] <Zi> I have 317mb Free
#5001 [22:35] <Kealper[Mint]> a major flaw indeed....
#5002 [22:35] <Zi> Freeram XP Pro.
#5003 [22:35] <scarydude6> GreyVulpine: what do you mean?
#5004 [22:36] <SolidGold> The wireless device I use is a netgear WPN111
#5005 [22:36] <xales> Kealper[Mint]: There are no generic drivers for it. The manufacturers couldn't agree how to interface it, for some reason
#5006 [22:36] <Kealper[Mint]> xales: manufacturers suck then
#5007 [22:36] <Zi> Er..
#5008 [22:36] <Zi> Error.
#5009 [22:36] <Zi> in the CMD.
#5010 [22:37] <xales> What is the error?
#5011 [22:37] <Zi> Loading: net.java.games.input.DirectAndRawInputEnvironmentPlugin
#5012 [22:37] <Zi> Failed to initialize device Wacom Virtual Hid Driver because of: java.io.IOExcep
#5013 [22:37] <Zi> tion: Failed to acquire device (8007001e)
#5014 [22:37] <Zi> ########## GL ERROR ##########
#5015 [22:37] <Zi> @ Post render
#5016 [22:37] <Zi> 1280: Invalid enum
#5017 [22:37] <Kealper[Mint]> and xales this Debian Mint is actually pretty nice, it might actually be worth a look :O
#5018 [22:37] <xales> Do you know what graphics card you have, Zi?
#5019 [22:37] <Zi> Yup.
#5020 [22:38] <xales> Kealper[Mint]: I still like Arch better than the silly 'user friendly' distros
#5021 [22:38] <Zi> Prosavageddr XD
#5022 [22:38] <Zi> Let me pop up Dxdiag
#5023 [22:38] <GreyVulpine> Bleh
#5024 [22:38] <Kealper[Mint]> prosavage......savage S3?
#5025 [22:38] <GreyVulpine> You're running a tablet?
#5026 [22:38] <Zi> I have a wacom bamboo fun tablet
#5027 [22:38] <Zi> Lol
#5028 [22:39] <Zi> I love art. I use a usb tablet.
#5029 [22:39] <GreyVulpine> Gah, I've had somebody else a few months back, with problems with a tablet
#5030 [22:39] <scarydude6> bye!
#5031 [22:39] <Zi> Is that the culprit?
#5032 [22:39] <xales> Yes
#5033 [22:39] <GreyVulpine> Possibly
#5034 [22:39] <Zi> :D
#5035 [22:39] <Zi> D:
#5036 [22:39] <GreyVulpine> Could you uninstall the drivers for it
#5037 [22:39] <xales> The error is with acquiring an input device
#5038 [22:39] <Zi> Yes. . . >.<
#5039 [22:39] <GreyVulpine> Just as a test
#5040 [22:39] <Zi> Okay.
#5041 [22:39] <GreyVulpine> If it doesn't work, you can reinstall it
#5042 [22:39] <Zi> Okay. Haha.
#5043 [22:39] <SkiingPenguins> i have a wacom pen and touch tablet
#5044 [22:40] <Zi> <3 my bamboo fun pen and touch
#5045 [22:40] <Zi> okay uninstalling.
#5046 [22:42] <Zi> Kk, restart required.
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#5048 [22:42] <Zi> Brb. in 3-5 minutes.
#5049 [22:42] <Kealper[Mint]> xales: could ndiswrapper be used for a windows driver?
#5050 [22:42] <xales> Possibly
#5051 [22:43] <Kealper[Mint]> http://kb.netgear.com/app/products/model/a_id/2620 that's what i came up with
#5052 [22:43] <Kealper[Mint]> brb
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#5054 [22:43] <Zi> Okay.
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#5056 [22:44] <Diablothein> Shadow386, Your map won't load.
#5057 [22:44] <Shadow386> ?
#5058 [22:44] <Zi> I uninstalled and restarted.
#5059 [22:44] <Zi> What now?
#5060 [22:44] <GreyVulpine> Start minecraft again?
#5061 [22:44] <Zi> Okay.
#5062 [22:44] <wolf_Alex> Rait you there?
#5063 [22:44] <Shadow386> Diablothein #scraft
#5064 [22:45] <Zi> Loading: net.java.games.input.DirectAndRawInputEnvironmentPlugin
#5065 [22:45] <Zi> ########## GL ERROR ##########
#5066 [22:45] <Zi> @ Post render
#5067 [22:45] <Zi> 1280: Invalid enum
#5068 [22:45] <Zi> D.<
#5069 [22:45] * GreyVulpine bahs
#5069 [22:45] * GreyVulpine kicks your wacom tablet
#5069 [22:45] <Zi> NO.
#5070 [22:45] <Zi> I JUST BOUGHT A NEW ONE.
#5071 [22:45] <Zi> Sorry
#5072 [22:45] <SkiingPenguins> no you
#5073 [22:45] <Zi> XD
#5074 [22:45] <Zi> I have two.
#5075 [22:47] <xales> Try
#5076 [22:47] <xales> !reinstall
#5077 [22:47] <Zi> . . .?
#5078 [22:47] <xales> Click the link & follow instructions
#5079 [22:47] <Zi> Okay.
#5080 [22:47] <SolidGold> Is there a linux help channel?
#5081 [22:48] <xales> Not that I know of, on this network at least, this is probably the best place to get help
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#5084 [22:48] <SolidGold> Ah. Just that I didn't want to keep pestering Kealper
#5085 [22:49] <Pelisoli> Guys i Bought a Gift Code and i Still have nothing in my email...
#5086 [22:49] <Zi> I think I found the problem.
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#5088 [22:49] <Pelisoli> its takes time?
#5089 [22:49] <SolidGold> I need to find out how to install my wireless drivers
#5090 [22:49] <GreyVulpine> Zi - ?
#5091 [22:49] <xales> Pelisoli: Did you look in your spam folder?
#5092 [22:49] <xales> SolidGold: Tried googling around?
#5093 [22:49] <Zi> "Must support OpenGL 1.4 or better" <--- I only have 1.1.4
#5094 [22:49] * GreyVulpine gags
#5094 [22:49] <Zi> .2*
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#5096 [22:50] * SkiingPenguins didnt know he could have opengl installed
#5096 [22:50] <GreyVulpine> You really have that old of a video card?
#5097 [22:50] <Zi> Heh...
#5098 [22:50] <Zi> Yeah
#5099 [22:50] <Pelisoli> can some one help me?
#5100 [22:50] <Zi> Took me two days to find drivers.
#5101 [22:50] <GreyVulpine> <@xales> Pelisoli: Did you look in your spam folder?
#5102 [22:50] <Zi> Well, a day and a half.
#5103 [22:50] <Pelisoli> yes
#5104 [22:50] <Pelisoli> anyone know what the email Says ?
#5105 [22:50] <Zi> Is there ANYTHING I can do?
#5106 [22:50] <xales> Zi: No
#5107 [22:50] <GreyVulpine> Pelisoli - Then it may take some time for the purchase to go through
#5108 [22:50] <Zi> Other than buy a new video card?
#5109 [22:51] <GreyVulpine> Just be patient
#5110 [22:51] <GreyVulpine> Zi - Sorry, no.
#5111 [22:51] <Zi> darn.
#5112 [22:51] <GreyVulpine> That video card is way too old to support it
#5113 [22:51] <xales> Zi: Not really, and if the video card is that old, it would probably be easiest to just buy a new computer
#5114 [22:51] <Zi> I guess I must wait until I've saved up enough money.
#5115 [22:51] <Zi> Heh.
#5116 [22:51] <xales> Because I'd imagine it doesn't even support modern cards
#5117 [22:51] <Zi> why do you say that?
#5118 [22:51] <GreyVulpine> s/cards/games ?
#5119 [22:51] <Kealper[Mint]> SolidGold: hmm....this whole wireless thing really kills this plan of being a simple workaround...
#5120 [22:52] <SolidGold> Well I had reasons to install Linux anyway
#5121 [22:52] <Zi> the last time this cards drivers were updated was back in august of 04.
#5122 [22:52] <xales> GreyVulpine: No, i mean card interface
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#5124 [22:52] <GreyVulpine> Ah
#5125 [22:52] * GreyVulpine nods
#5125 [22:52] <xales> As well as possibly RAM timing (SDRAM most likely) and CPU
#5126 [22:53] <GreyVulpine> The computer's so old that many graphics cards nowadays won't fit inside it
#5127 [22:53] <SolidGold> Assuming I had a LAN cable
#5128 [22:53] <Zi> I figure.
#5129 [22:53] <Zi> Okay. Haha.
#5130 [22:53] <SolidGold> I plug it in and that'll just work?
#5131 [22:53] <Kealper[Mint]> SolidGold: check out something called ndiswrapper, it *usually* allows you to use windows drivers for wireless cards
#5132 [22:53] <GreyVulpine> So, you're better off buying a new computer, rather than just upgradeing
#5133 [22:53] <Zi> Thanks so much for the help.
#5134 [22:53] <Kealper[Mint]> yes SolidGold
#5135 [22:53] <GreyVulpine> Sorry Zi
#5136 [22:53] <xales> Kealper[Mint]: Wireless card != USB wireless
#5137 [22:53] <Zi> Haha. It's cool.
#5138 [22:53] <SolidGold> Then fuck it, I'm taking the LAN out of my 360
#5139 [22:53] <Zi> It'll be a few more months til I can play.
#5140 [22:53] <Zi> Actually.
#5141 [22:53] <Kealper[Mint]> xales: why does usb wireless have to suck so much -.-
#5142 [22:53] <Zi> At my career center I can play.
#5143 [22:54] <Zi> they have big new and shiny iMacs.
#5144 [22:54] <GreyVulpine> Yes, you can play at any computer with a browser and 'net connection
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#5146 [22:54] <Zi> But almost every website is blocked.... Sorry I'm rambling.
#5147 [22:54] <GreyVulpine> Always ways around that
#5148 [22:54] <SolidGold> kealper; if it didn't they couldn't charge you for tech support
#5149 [22:54] * GreyVulpine coughs
#5149 [22:54] <Zi> You think so?
#5150 [22:54] <SolidGold> and replacement parts
#5151 [22:54] <GreyVulpine> I didn't say anything >.>
#5152 [22:54] <Pelisoli> guys what is the best server Survival out there?
#5153 [22:54] <Zi> XD
#5154 [22:54] <GreyVulpine> 127.0.0.1
#5155 [22:54] <GreyVulpine> best one ^
#5156 [22:54] <Zi> ^
#5157 [22:54] <SkiingPenguins> i play there
#5158 [22:55] <Zi> Fufufu. Haha.
#5159 [22:55] <ConMan8> I don't, it's a bit boring for me
#5160 [22:55] <GreyVulpine> Pfft, loser.
#5161 [22:55] * Kealper[Mint] sighs at usb wireless
#5161 [22:55] <Zi> I am using USB wireless.
#5162 [22:55] <SolidGold> I'll just use the LAN from my 360
#5163 [22:56] <SolidGold> Assuming it works
#5164 [22:56] <SolidGold> I'll be back in five minutes
#5165 [22:56] <Zi> I think. Haha.
#5166 [22:56] <SolidGold> Assuming it doesn't I'll be back in ten
#5167 [22:56] <Zi> I'll talk to you all later... when I get a new computer. haha. Thanks all.
#5168 [22:56] <Ubertastic> 'ello, I'm running a server on Ubuntu. Everything has been fine until recently when a client on the local network attempts to connect and often gets DC'ed for "Took too long to log in". The server's log shows that it received a nice HTTP 504 from Minecraft.net when checking the user profile. Is this a Minecraft.net issue?
#5169 [22:56] <GreyVulpine> Most likely yes
#5170 [22:56] <GreyVulpine> Website's been slow all day
#5171 [22:56] <Ubertastic> Figured as much
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#5173 [22:57] <Ubertastic> Would also explain why custom skins have not been working
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#5175 [23:00] <SolidGold> Linux works
#5176 [23:00] <Kealper[Mint]> well, that was less than 10 mintutes, so i assume that means it's working?
#5177 [23:00] <Kealper[Mint]> ok lol
#5178 [23:00] <Kealper[Mint]> !client
#5179 [23:00] <Kealper[Mint]> snag the one for linux (unless you wanted to play in the browser) and say when you got it
#5180 [23:01] <SkiingPenguins> gggrrr i cannot empty buckets, they empty and the lava spawns but then it goes back into the bucket
#5181 [23:01] <SolidGold> Download the .jar?
#5182 [23:01] <SolidGold> Got it
#5183 [23:02] <Kealper[Mint]> SolidGold: ok, move it to where you want, and then right click it and go into it's properties
#5184 [23:02] <Pelisoli> how do i Set a Spawn point in the game?
#5185 [23:02] <SolidGold> Open with Java Runtime?
#5186 [23:03] <Kealper[Mint]> SolidGold: go to the Permissions tab, set all three of those to read and write, check the box that says it's an executable
#5187 [23:03] <Kealper[Mint]> and tell it to open with java, yes
#5188 [23:03] <Kealper[Mint]> click out of that window, then double click the jar and minecraft should work
#5189 [23:04] <SolidGold> I'd ask how to copy my worlds over but I don't seem to have any way of actually getting to them at the moment to try that
#5190 [23:04] <SolidGold> So let's find out if it lags or not
#5191 [23:06] <SolidGold> ...And it crashed
#5192 [23:06] <Kealper[Mint]> u.u
#5193 [23:06] <SolidGold> Not what I was expecting I'll be honest
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#5195 [23:06] <SolidGold> But on the plus side, it can't lag if it doesn't run at all
#5196 [23:07] <Kealper[Mint]> well...crap.
#5197 [23:07] <Kealper[Mint]> what did it crash with?
#5198 [23:07] <SolidGold> It just closed itself
#5199 [23:07] <Kealper[Mint]> :/
#5200 [23:08] <xales> Pelisoli: You can't
#5201 [23:08] <SolidGold> let's try that again
#5202 [23:09] <SolidGold> Okay, this time it's opened fine; and it's lagging from the moment I boot even with minimal settings
#5203 [23:09] <Kealper[Mint]> oh?
#5204 [23:09] <SolidGold> Wait
#5205 [23:09] <SolidGold> No, it just disappeared again
#5206 [23:10] <Kealper[Mint]> oh well...guess that idea didn't work.....
#5207 [23:10] <Kealper[Mint]> if you reboot to windows you can uninstall it from add/remove programs
#5208 [23:10] <Kealper[Mint]> it being that copy of linux
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#5210 [23:11] <SolidGold> I actually have something else I need Linux for first
#5211 [23:11] <john273> ?
#5212 [23:11] <Kealper[Mint]> and that line was my way of saying i throw in the towel, it wins
#5213 [23:11] <john273> Guys
#5214 [23:11] <john273> i need help
#5215 [23:11] <john273> So...
#5216 [23:11] <Kealper[Mint]> john273: with?
#5217 [23:11] <SolidGold> Hah, kealper
#5218 [23:11] <john273> I have a server.
#5219 [23:11] <xales> Classic, or Beta?
#5220 [23:11] <john273> beta.
#5221 [23:11] <john273> I make people op, so they can edit blocks
#5222 [23:11] <john273> like remove or place
#5223 [23:11] <SolidGold> To be honest I wasn't expecting a solution to begin with
#5224 [23:12] <xales> Being an op only affects if they can change blocks near the spawn
#5225 [23:12] <Kealper[Mint]> SolidGold: it was worth a shot though :/
#5226 [23:12] <john273> oh ok..
#5227 [23:12] <john273> so.. anyways.
#5228 [23:12] <SkiingPenguins> jeez zombies can hurt through fences? :(
#5229 [23:12] <SolidGold> Mmh. I'm pretty sure it's just my PC being a pile of crap. My PCs always are.
#5230 [23:12] <john273> how do i make non-members not destroy anything?
#5231 [23:12] <Kealper[Mint]> well, it's rather late, i'm going to go to bed now
#5232 [23:13] <xales> john273: You need to use a mod
#5233 [23:13] <john273> a server rapper?
#5234 [23:13] <xales> and there aren't any that work right now
#5235 [23:13] <john273> WRAPPER*?
#5236 [23:13] <john273> i know hey0 doesnt work D:
#5237 [23:13] <Kealper[Mint]> wrappers don't have enough control, it would have to be an actual mod
#5238 [23:13] <john273> well, tthanks for the help anyways.
#5239 [23:14] <john273> well. ima work on it
#5240 [23:14] <SolidGold> Well goodnight kealper, and thanks
#5241 [23:14] <Kealper[Mint]> cya SolidGold, sorry i could not be of more help :/
#5242 [23:14] <SolidGold> It's fine
#5243 [23:14] <john273> Guys, i have another problem
#5244 [23:14] <john273> D:
#5245 [23:14] <ziggo0> Anyone know if lighttpd stores access logs?
#5246 [23:14] <SolidGold> I've had fully qualified technicians stumped by my broken machines
#5247 [23:15] <john273> how do i change spawnpoint?
#5248 [23:15] <john273> without meticulous digging or haxing
#5249 [23:15] <GreyVulpine> With a map editor
#5250 [23:15] <john273> well, there aint no good map editors
#5251 [23:15] <GreyVulpine> MCedit
#5252 [23:15] <john273> well, i tried that, downloaded all the prerequisites but it doesnt work
#5253 [23:16] <john273> guys?
#5254 [23:16] <xales> 'doesnt work'
#5255 [23:16] <xales> describe?
#5256 [23:18] <john273> well...
#5257 [23:18] <john273> ive tried the mac and linux on my imac
#5258 [23:18] <john273> 10.6.5 macosx
#5259 [23:18] <john273> on the osx version
#5260 [23:18] <xales> skip to the part of why it doesn't work
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#5262 [23:19] <john273> i open it, it shows a blank grey window then it closes
#5263 [23:19] <john273> i have python, numpy, pygame
#5264 [23:20] <xales> pyopengl as well?
#5265 [23:20] <john273> is that the on eyou install through terminal?
#5266 [23:20] <john273> (or CMD)
#5267 [23:20] <xales> yes
#5268 [23:20] <john273> yes i have
#5269 [23:20] <john273> AAARGH
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#5271 [23:23] <aetherian> ah technology
#5272 [23:23] <aetherian> ain't it great
#5273 [23:23] <xales> nope
#5274 [23:23] <john273> heck yeah
#5275 [23:23] <Ronjoe> Kealper[Mint]: youve done good by choosing mint
#5276 [23:24] <john273> mint lolwut
#5277 [23:24] <Ronjoe> how does lmde compare to regular mint, in your opinion
#5278 [23:24] <aetherian> ah mint
#5279 [23:24] <aetherian> for those who love coins
#5280 [23:24] <Ronjoe> ive used regular mint for quite a while
#5281 [23:24] <Kealper[Mint]> the Debian one? it's nice
#5282 [23:25] <john273> what you guys use to decompile?
#5283 [23:25] <dopeghoti> Are levers known to be dodgy in SMP Beta now?
#5284 [23:25] <john273> I HATE ANT
#5285 [23:25] <akiwiguy> I might install lmde on mah laptop
#5286 [23:26] <Ronjoe> erm
#5287 [23:26] <Ronjoe> what os?
#5288 [23:26] <john273> any?
#5289 [23:26] <GreyVulpine> dopeghoti - Yes
#5290 [23:26] <GreyVulpine> Animation doesn't always work
#5291 [23:26] <Ronjoe> john273: what operating system, as in linux, mac, windows?
#5292 [23:26] <Ronjoe> oh forget it
#5293 [23:27] <john273> ANY
#5294 [23:27] <aetherian> I'm not sure smp will ever be fully bug free
#5295 [23:27] <john273> IDC
#5296 [23:27] <Ronjoe> i know nothing of decompilers
#5297 [23:27] <aetherian> or rather
#5298 [23:27] <john273> I JUST HATE APACHE ANT
#5299 [23:27] <aetherian> as bug free as sps
#5300 [23:27] <Kealper[Mint]> decompilers for what?
#5301 [23:27] <Ronjoe> ANY'
#5302 [23:27] <john273> hmm...
#5303 [23:27] <Ronjoe> DONT YOU GET IT?
#5304 [23:27] <dopeghoti> apparently neither does switching.
#5305 [23:27] <john273> NO THE OS IS ANY
#5306 [23:27] <john273> CHANGE TOPIC
#5307 [23:27] <Kealper[Mint]> chill on the caps
#5308 [23:27] <GreyVulpine> O.o
#5309 [23:28] <john273> DECOMPILERS SUUCK
#5310 [23:28] <john273> :D
#5311 [23:28] <dopeghoti> shout much?
#5312 [23:28] * xales kicked john273 from #MineCraftHelp (Reason: Guess you should have scrolled all the way to the bottom before clicking 'Agree.')
#5313 [23:28] <akiwiguy> Does not make sense.
#5314 [23:28] <Kealper[Mint]> i was going to give him one last warning...lol
#5315 [23:28] <Ronjoe> i should have found him a mac decompiler
#5316 [23:28] <Ronjoe> for something like
#5317 [23:28] <Kealper[Mint]> granted, that is just because i'm too lazy to go over to my main irc but meh
#5318 [23:28] <Ronjoe> wierd
#5319 [23:28] <Ronjoe> weird*
#5320 [23:29] <xales> No excuses
#5321 [23:29] <Kealper[Mint]> wait....i'm on linux
#5322 [23:29] <Ronjoe> and watch him go "umm, how do i use this?"
#5323 [23:29] <xales> Mono trolololol
#5324 [23:29] <Diablothein> Kealpybby, +1 points for you
#5325 [23:31] <Kealper> for some reason, it only just occured to me that i could ssh to my main irssi and just do a screen -x....lol
#5326 [23:31] <xales> ._.
#5327 [23:31] <OODavo> Kealper: That only doesn't work when your screen sizes differ too much. :P
#5328 [23:31] <dopeghoti> heh
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#5331 [23:31] * GreyVulpine pokes Kealper with imgur.com/SBuX3
#5331 [23:32] <Kealper> OODavo: yeah, width is iffy, but height is not to bad
#5332 [23:32] <OODavo> My netbook doesn't fit a screen -x with my main system very well.
#5333 [23:32] <OODavo> Yeah, height's fine.
#5334 [23:32] <dopeghoti> OODavo: screen -Dx then :)
#5335 [23:32] <Diablothein> Hello IP 110.55.238.149
#5336 [23:32] <xales> Kealper: You can just toss a flag on the screen to detach other sessions
#5337 [23:32] <OODavo> dopeghoti: That'll just detach the other one.
#5338 [23:32] <OODavo> You don't get awesome dual screening then.
#5339 [23:32] <Kealper> xales: i didn't want to detach the other one
#5340 [23:32] <john9098> MEH
#5341 [23:32] <john9098> anyways
#5342 [23:33] <john9098> i need more help
#5343 [23:33] <Kealper> but yea, screen -rd isn't it?
#5344 [23:33] <john9098> how do i make a new world for my server?
#5345 [23:33] <GreyVulpine> delete the old world/
#5346 [23:33] <xales> delete the old one?
#5347 [23:33] <Kealper> also lol @ that image
#5348 [23:33] <john9098> what?
#5349 [23:34] <john9098> as in in smp
#5350 [23:34] <john9098> my serve
#5351 [23:34] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#5352 [23:34] <xales> Yes. delete the old one
#5353 [23:34] <john9098> rly?
#5354 [23:34] <GreyVulpine> Delete the old /world/ folder
#5355 [23:34] <Ronjoe> john9098: what os are you in?
#5356 [23:34] <john9098> oh... sry
#5357 [23:34] <Ronjoe> so we can help you?
#5358 [23:34] <john9098> Mac
#5359 [23:34] <john9098> i hate mac.
#5360 [23:34] <Ronjoe> *cough*
#5361 [23:34] <xales> Why do you have one then?
#5362 [23:34] <Ronjoe> *COUGH*
#5363 [23:34] <john9098> snowleopard
#5364 [23:34] <Diablothein> john, send it to me, I can always utilize one! :
#5365 [23:34] <Diablothein> :D
#5366 [23:34] <john9098> well, i has one bcuz i won it
#5367 [23:34] <Ronjoe> id take it
#5368 [23:34] <Diablothein> DIBS!
#5369 [23:34] <john9098> I WON IT
#5370 [23:34] <john9098> i didnt want it
#5371 [23:34] <Diablothein> So, send it to me :D
#5372 [23:35] <john9098> but mac is better than nothin
#5373 [23:35] <Woodsmithy> Hey guys, I'm having some trouble. Whenever I start up Minecraft, it cuts out mid-load, and never actually starts up. This started around the last update.
#5374 [23:35] <Ronjoe> ill take it, install linux, and send it back to you
#5375 [23:35] <john9098> how do i delete bedrock?
#5376 [23:35] <john9098> as an op?
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#5378 [23:35] <Ronjoe> cant
#5379 [23:35] <aetherian> john: you don't
#5380 [23:35] <Ronjoe> you need a mod
#5381 [23:35] <john9098> D:
#5382 [23:35] <aetherian> well
#5383 [23:35] <xales> Woodsmithy: Do you mean during the download part?
#5384 [23:35] <john9098> i misplaced one bedrock
#5385 [23:35] <aetherian> is it the bedrock at the very bottom
#5386 [23:35] <aetherian> oh
#5387 [23:35] <aetherian> john
#5388 [23:35] <john9098> no, im making a grief free spawn
#5389 [23:35] <aetherian> I'll pm you how to get rid of it
#5390 [23:36] <Woodsmithy> Yeah. The green loading bar gets like, 80% done, and then it stops altogether.
#5391 [23:36] <Woodsmithy> And what's weird is it does it when I play in-browser too.
#5392 [23:36] <Ronjoe> so guise
#5393 [23:36] <xales> Try this
#5394 [23:36] <xales> !reinstall
#5395 [23:36] <Ronjoe> GNOME was made by mexicans
#5396 [23:36] <Pelisoli> guys i have 1 realy bug Question i just Bought the Minecraft, and i dont know 1 thing. The 1.2 version come out where i can play it? isnt the server around all lower versions?
#5397 [23:36] <Woodsmithy> Oh, I tried reinstalling. Didn't do anything.
#5398 [23:37] <Ronjoe> Pelisoli: beta updates itself
#5399 [23:37] <xales> Woodsmithy: What file does it get stuck on?
#5400 [23:37] <Ronjoe> well, the game itself updates itself
#5401 [23:38] <Pelisoli> for example in what server do you guys play in ?
#5402 [23:38] <Woodsmithy> Well, it says it's finished loading, but the progress bar doesn't fill all the way and it never goes to the menu.
#5403 [23:38] <xales> Pelisoli: You just need to find an updated server
#5404 [23:38] <Woodsmithy> Is there a way I can show a screencap?
#5405 [23:39] <xales> Woodsmithy: http://graphicssoft.about.com/cs/general/ht/winscreenshot.htm
#5406 [23:39] <Pelisoli> where can i look for an updated server ? is there any list?
#5407 [23:39] <xales> Pelisoli: Try minestatus.net
#5408 [23:39] * Kealper throws on a video and goes afk
#5408 [23:39] <Pelisoli> tks mate
#5409 [23:39] <aetherian> bye bye kealpy
#5410 [23:42] * john9098 tries
#5410 [23:42] <john9098> oh its /me
#5411 [23:44] <Woodsmithy> xales: No, I know how to take a screencap. I mean, what's the easiest way to show you guys?
#5412 [23:45] <GreyVulpine> Woodsmithy - If it's stuck on "Done Loading" then have you tried deleting the /bin/ folder in /.minecraft/bin/ ?
#5413 [23:49] <Woodsmithy> GreyVulpine: No, and I just did and it fixed it. Thanks!
#5414 [23:49] * GreyVulpine blinks
#5414 [23:49] <john9098> tryin a timelapse thing?
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#5416 [23:58] <john9098> so quiet.
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