#1 [00:00] <Raikuron> That's already happened. I'm not a complete newfag, you dolt.
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#3 [00:00] <EmpiresBane> lol
#4 [00:00] <EmpiresBane> you didn't know about biomes
#5 [00:00] <dopeghoti> There's no reson to start throwing around invectives.
#6 [00:00] <EmpiresBane> those have been around since halloween
#7 [00:01] <dopeghoti> Let's keep it civil, shall we?
#8 [00:01] <Raikuron> I had a vague idea, but I wanted to confirm it.
#9 [00:01] <Raikuron> Quit acting all high and mighty.
#10 [00:01] <mike_> Well, I've allegedly installed open-jre. Now to figure out how to run it from the command line...
#11 [00:01] <SinZ> why, its fun
#12 [00:01] <dopeghoti> Raikuron: Calm your ass down, sir or ma'am. Seriously.
#13 [00:01] <Raikuron> And...Seven seconds from starting a game...it's night...
#14 [00:01] <SinZ> haha
#15 [00:01] <xales> mike_: You probably need to run update-alternatives to select OpenJRE as the Java to use
#16 [00:01] <SinZ> gl
#17 [00:02] <EmpiresBane> wait a sec...
#18 [00:02] <dopeghoti> mike_: xales is correct. `sudo update-alternatives --config java`
#19 [00:02] <EmpiresBane> you couldn't get the normal java to work?
#20 [00:02] <EmpiresBane> on ubuntu?
#21 [00:02] <xales> dopeghoti: 'bash: sudo - command not found'
#22 [00:02] <dopeghoti> EmpiresBane: debian.
#23 [00:02] <mike_> okay, I need the Debian version of update alternatives... hmmm...
#24 [00:02] <EmpiresBane> oh
#25 [00:02] <EmpiresBane> ok
#26 [00:02] <xales> mike_: update-alternatives is Debian
#27 [00:03] <SinZ> eh, apt-get install -f java
#28 [00:03] <SinZ> and ubuntu is debian based
#29 [00:03] <EmpiresBane> all this linux commands stuff is freaking confusing
#30 [00:04] <Raikuron> Maybe you shouldn't use Linux, then.
#31 [00:04] <mike_> damn, I get -bash: update-alternatives: command not found
#32 [00:04] <xales> EmpiresBane: http://linuxcommand.org/
#33 [00:04] <mike_> I get... "-bash: update-alternatives: command not found"
#34 [00:04] <xales> mike_: Are you root?
#35 [00:04] <EmpiresBane> Raikuron, maybe the only way to learn how to use it is by using it
#36 [00:05] <SinZ> thats what i figured out empiresbane
#37 [00:05] <mike_> Sry, double post of that... oops, need to do that as root, don't I? SU to the rescue!
#38 [00:05] <Raikuron> I'm just being a passive dick, relax.
#39 [00:05] <dopeghoti> mike_: there's a reason I had sudo in there (:
#40 [00:05] <mike_> d'oh! LOL
#41 [00:05] <dopeghoti> !kick Raikuron No, you're being an active one.
#42 [00:05] * AuBot kicked Raikuron from #MinecraftHelp (Reason: I love you too! <3 (Issued by dopeghoti with reason: No, you're being an active one.))
#43 [00:05] <EmpiresBane> Raikuron, you were just calling people dicks
#44 [00:05] <EmpiresBane> grr...
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#46 [00:05] <Raikuron> I knew you weren't banning me for long.
#47 [00:06] <xales> It was automatic to stop autorejoin
#48 [00:06] <xales> however
#49 [00:06] * xales kicked Raikuron from #MineCraftHelp (Reason: This one is a day)
#50 [00:06] <EmpiresBane> damnit!
#51 [00:06] <SinZ> ...
#52 [00:06] <dopeghoti> *snrk*
#53 [00:06] <EmpiresBane> i'm trying to talk
#54 [00:06] <SinZ> no trolling in the help channel?
#55 [00:06] <SinZ> xales: is that reason?
#56 [00:06] <xales> SinZ: what do you think the reason was?
#57 [00:06] <EmpiresBane> yeah
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#59 [00:07] <EmpiresBane> works for me
#60 [00:07] <dopeghoti> SinZ: He (or she) was asked nicely to be civil.
#61 [00:07] <dopeghoti> Several times.
#62 [00:07] <blshking> 14 thousand euros for this game?
#63 [00:07] <xales> blshking: ?
#64 [00:07] <dopeghoti> blshking: For many many copies, sure
#65 [00:07] <blshking> website says 14,95
#66 [00:07] <EmpiresBane> <Raikuron> Quit acting all high and mighty
#67 [00:07] <blshking> comma
#68 [00:07] <blshking> 14k
#69 [00:07] <AndrewPH|AFK> SinZ shut up OK LOLI like speech recognition
#70 [00:07] <EmpiresBane> <Raikuron> Maybe you shouldn't use Linux, then
#71 [00:07] <dopeghoti> blshking: in civilized places, ',' indicates the decimal portion.
#72 [00:07] <SinZ> ..wtf aph
#73 [00:08] <blshking> civilized?
#74 [00:08] <AndrewPH|AFK> This must will retarded
#75 [00:08] <EmpiresBane> ...
#76 [00:08] <blshking> why would a comma indicate decimals?
#77 [00:08] <EmpiresBane> blshking, it does in many places
#78 [00:08] <xales> blshking: 14k = 14,000. 1.4k would be what you mean. And in many European countries, a comma is the seperator
#79 [00:08] <dopeghoti> because that's how it's done in many, many, many, many countries
#80 [00:08] <mike_> Okay, the open jre does run it better than the sun-jre or jdk! <LOL>
#81 [00:08] <blshking> well
#82 [00:08] <dopeghoti> mike_: Yay!
#83 [00:08] <mike_> Now I've got a functional dialog box.
#84 [00:08] <xales> mike_: Are you on Lenny Stable?
#85 [00:09] <mike_> yes
#86 [00:09] <EmpiresBane> of course it runs better than the jdk
#87 [00:09] <blshking> they should have an american translation. for people who arent from the other side fo the planet.
#88 [00:09] <EmpiresBane> i think it's funnier for people to freak out about the price
#89 [00:10] <xales> blshking: You are the first, and probably only, person who didn't get it
#90 [00:10] <EmpiresBane> i doubt he's the only
#91 [00:10] <xales> blshking: Does it really make sense for the game to cost that much, for starters
#92 [00:10] <blshking> well im not looking forward to pay 14k.
#93 [00:10] <blshking> no it doesnt
#94 [00:10] <dopeghoti> blshking: it's not exactly in Farsi
#95 [00:10] <blshking> but its europe. they are trying to rob me.
#96 [00:10] <EmpiresBane> ...
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#98 [00:10] <EmpiresBane> my screen just went black for a bit...?
#99 [00:10] <EmpiresBane> oh..
#100 [00:10] <dopeghoti> EmpiresBane: "It's called blinking; it happens a lot."
#101 [00:10] <mike_> Okay, now I'll just get my son to try logging in and it should download the binaries and give me a chance to see if the code'll work on my machine... before I buy a subscription!
#102 [00:10] <EmpiresBane> minecraft crash
#103 [00:11] <dopeghoti> mike_: my fingers are metaphorically crossed for ya!
#104 [00:11] <EmpiresBane> this is dumb...
#105 [00:11] <mike_> also... hmmm... does the web version work any better?
#106 [00:11] <SinZ> there identical
#107 [00:11] <SinZ> but web version doesn't support mods
#108 [00:11] <EmpiresBane> the downloaded version runs faster for most people
#109 [00:12] <EmpiresBane> i can't even get it to work...
#110 [00:13] <mike_> just trying it out to see if it'll run before I toss in my $20 or whatever it is, american! <grin>
#111 [00:13] <xales> EmpiresBane: What doesn't work?
#112 [00:13] <EmpiresBane> hm... what is it now?
#113 [00:13] <EmpiresBane> minecraft on this Ubuntu machine
#114 [00:13] <xales> EmpiresBane: Error?
#115 [00:13] <mike_> Nope, classic still stalles with a white java window on the web page...
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#117 [00:14] <KillSpammar> Since #minecraft is so fucking retarded anyone have ideas for a name for me on Youtube?
#118 [00:14] <EmpiresBane> java.lang.IllegalStateException: Only one LWJGL context may be instantiated at any one time.
#119 [00:14] <KillSpammar> Seeing how all my ideas are taken
#120 [00:14] <mike_> So, I'll have to wait 'till the son gets up tomorrow! <smile>
#121 [00:14] <KillSpammar> This is like picking out a domain ffs
#122 [00:14] <xales> EmpiresBane: What graphics driver are you using, and what card?
#123 [00:14] <EmpiresBane> hm...
#124 [00:15] <xales> EmpiresBane: Pastebin 'lsmod' and 'lspci'
#125 [00:15] <EmpiresBane> let me figure that out real quick
#126 [00:15] <xales> lspci may not be installed, though....it should be
#127 [00:15] <EmpiresBane> and i do that in the terminal?
#128 [00:15] <xales> yeah
#129 [00:18] <EmpiresBane> http://pastebin.com/7QFTKnit
#130 [00:18] <EmpiresBane> i'm using the NVidia pci GeForce 6200
#131 [00:19] <EmpiresBane> unless this is the wrong box...
#132 [00:20] <xales> Yeah, found the problem
#133 [00:20] <xales> you are using nouveau
#134 [00:20] <xales> doesn't support 3D, but is opensource, compared to the fully-featured official, but not opensource driver
#135 [00:20] <xales> you need to enable the proprietary drivers
#136 [00:20] <mike_> Okay, thanks dopeghoti, lemon-rev, and EmpiresBane.... I've got a functional login dialog now and will see how it goes tomorrow when my son's up. Hopefully I'll be able to run it okay. The machine's a little light on processor power for it, but we'll see. Thanks for all your help.
#137 [00:20] <xales> and install the nvidia driver, instead of nouveau
#138 [00:21] <EmpiresBane> ok...
#139 [00:21] <EmpiresBane> let me see if ican find the disk
#140 [00:22] <mike_> g'night all... <click!>
#141 [00:22] <xales> don't need the disk
#142 [00:22] <xales> its available online, and that is the only way to get it
#143 [00:22] <xales> just gotta select it in the package manager
#144 [00:22] * xales pokes EmpiresBane
#144 [00:22] <EmpiresBane> ok
#145 [00:22] <EmpiresBane> package manager?
#146 [00:23] <xales> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
#147 [00:23] <EmpiresBane> Synaptic PackManager?
#148 [00:23] <EmpiresBane> *Package Manager
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#151 [00:25] <xales> yeah
#152 [00:25] <EmpiresBane> ooh...
#153 [00:25] <xales> go to update sources, there should be a box there about 'proposed updates' or 'proprietary repository' or some such
#154 [00:25] <EmpiresBane> maybe this will fix some of my other problems
#155 [00:25] <xales> then the package should just be called 'nvidia'
#156 [00:27] <EmpiresBane> hm...
#157 [00:27] <EmpiresBane> i tried activating the driver in the "Adidtional Drivers" thing, and now that window has frozen
#158 [00:28] <xales> give it a minute
#159 [00:28] <xales> its probably downloading it
#160 [00:29] <EmpiresBane> hopefully...
#161 [00:29] <EmpiresBane> Ubuntu doesn't seem to run all to well on this computer
#162 [00:29] <xales> open a terminal and run 'dmesg | tail'
#163 [00:29] <xales> Ubuntu is a bit bloated
#164 [00:29] <dopeghoti> not really
#165 [00:29] <EmpiresBane> i'm just hoping it's because it has some extra crap that i can delete or something
#166 [00:29] <xales> it has some of the same bloat/slow problems as Windows, but not anywhere near as bad
#167 [00:29] <dopeghoti> though I do start from the Server distro
#168 [00:29] <dopeghoti> and install what I need from there
#169 [00:29] <xales> Delete is something you can definately do
#170 [00:30] <xales> dopeghoti: Desktop bundles everything you could imagine and more
#171 [00:30] <EmpiresBane> XP actually ran extremely fast on this thing
#172 [00:30] <dopeghoti> At least it doesn't install KDE _and_ GNOME both (by default).
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#174 [00:32] <EmpiresBane> i'm gonna hate myself when i try to get the wireless card working on this
#175 [00:32] <xales> It isn't that bad
#176 [00:32] <xales> ...if you are using WEP
#177 [00:32] <xales> WPA can be a bitch sometimes
#178 [00:32] <dopeghoti> ..
#179 [00:32] <EmpiresBane> is it better than Debian?
#180 [00:33] <xales> though on Ubuntu...
#181 [00:33] <dopeghoti> WPA for me was as simple as entering the key
#182 [00:33] <xales> dopeghoti: Not all cards work with wpasupplicant out of the box
#183 [00:33] <xales> EmpiresBane: Debian has a different focus than Ubuntu
#184 [00:33] <dopeghoti> Just stay far far away from Atheros
#185 [00:33] <EmpiresBane> ufortunatley, i'm using TrendNET
#186 [00:33] <dopeghoti> Ubuntu's focus is accessability; Debian's on stability.
#187 [00:34] <EmpiresBane> some older TrendNET card
#188 [00:34] <xales> older is usually better
#189 [00:34] <EmpiresBane> should be WPA compliant
#190 [00:34] <xales> specially since wireless standards havent changed much
#191 [00:34] <xales> and drivers tend to support older stuff better, naturally
#192 [00:35] <EmpiresBane> i was reading online and apperantlu my card is a pain to setup
#193 [00:35] <EmpiresBane> could just be other distrobutions, though
#194 [00:36] <EmpiresBane> ok, Additional Drivers is frozen
#195 [00:36] <EmpiresBane> it's definatly not downloading
#196 [00:37] <EmpiresBane> hrm...
#197 [00:37] <EmpiresBane> how do i force something to close?
#198 [00:38] <xales> sorry
#199 [00:38] <xales> kill it
#200 [00:38] <xales> open terminal
#201 [00:38] <xales> run 'ps ax'
#202 [00:38] <xales> and look for the process (it should be obvious)
#203 [00:39] <xales> then run 'kill -9 (process id - the number in the first column from ps ax)'
#204 [00:39] <dopeghoti> um
#205 [00:39] <dopeghoti> xkill is easier for GUI apps
#206 [00:39] * xales has never used xkill but can probably guess what it is
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#207 [00:40] <dopeghoti> xales: changes the cursor to an 'X'. click a window and it's killed.
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#209 [00:40] <dopeghoti> `kill`ed I should say
#210 [00:40] <EmpiresBane> that sounds easier
#211 [00:40] <EmpiresBane> cuz i can't find the proccess
#212 [00:41] <EmpiresBane> ah...
#213 [00:41] <EmpiresBane> i like that
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#215 [00:42] <EmpiresBane> let's try that agaian
#216 [00:45] <EmpiresBane> i like this Workspace thing
#217 [00:45] <Armalitex> !test 192.168.1.5
#218 [00:45] <xales> its !check
#219 [00:45] <xales> also, that IP is your local IP
#220 [00:45] <xales> so it won't work
#221 [00:46] <EmpiresBane> good
#222 [00:46] <EmpiresBane> it's working now
#223 [00:46] <EmpiresBane> i'll be happy even if minecraft doesn't work but i can still use this thing at the full resolution
#224 [00:47] <Armalitex> well my computer ip port is closed and wont open so i was just testing that since portforward said thats where 25565 is directed to
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#226 [00:47] <Liraxus> Hey
#227 [00:47] <xales> Armalitex: Checking that wouldn't work
#228 [00:47] <xales> Liraxus: hello
#229 [00:47] <Armalitex> ive been trying for 3 days and even grey helped me and its still bombing
#230 [00:47] <Liraxus> Im wondering if their is a Low-lag texture pack for beta
#231 [00:48] <Armalitex> i can get in fine but others cant
#232 [00:48] <xales> Liraxus: No such thing, sorry.
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#234 [00:48] <Liraxus> Really?
#235 [00:48] <Liraxus> Your joking,
#236 [00:48] <xales> Yup
#237 [00:48] <Liraxus> Alpha had one :l
#238 [00:48] <xales> It didn't change anything
#239 [00:48] <EmpiresBane> it had a low graphics setting
#240 [00:48] <EmpiresBane> not a texture pack
#241 [00:48] <xales> ^
#242 [00:48] <Liraxus> hahaha
#243 [00:48] <Liraxus> You don't get it
#244 [00:49] <Liraxus> this computer is from 2004
#245 [00:49] <xales> Changing the graphics rendered on the blocks wouldn't make the game any less laggy
#246 [00:49] <xales> if anything, it would make it more laggy
#247 [00:49] <xales> It still has to do all the same rendering
#248 [00:49] <EmpiresBane> this one is from 1998
#249 [00:49] <Liraxus> HAHAHAHA
#250 [00:49] <Liraxus> HAAAAHAHAHAHA
#251 [00:49] <EmpiresBane> crap...
#252 [00:49] <EmpiresBane> wrong driver version
#253 [00:49] <Liraxus> xales, when i used the texture pack, the things lag went down so much
#254 [00:50] <xales> Liraxus: Was it a texture pack, or a mod
#255 [00:50] <Liraxus> texture pack
#256 [00:50] <xales> I highly doubt that
#257 [00:50] <xales> If you find it, share a link
#258 [00:50] <xales> otherwise, it doesn't exist
#259 [00:50] <Liraxus> It changed nothign but the ground textures
#260 [00:51] <EmpiresBane> i'm so glad this semester is over
#261 [00:51] <EmpiresBane> i need a break
#262 [00:51] <EmpiresBane> if i get minecraft working on this computer, i'm probably gonna waste my break.... :/
#263 [00:52] <Liraxus> on a different note, im interested in something called "Planetoids"
#264 [00:52] <Liraxus> Its like some kind of generator.
#265 [00:52] <EmpiresBane> brb
#266 [00:52] <xales> Unfortunately, we don't offer any support for third party tools or utilities
#267 [00:53] <Liraxus> But i wanna try it out,
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#269 [00:53] <Austin_Doan> hey people
#270 [00:53] <Liraxus> Why is this the help section if it dosen't have a tutorial on how to put in generators.
#271 [00:54] <xales> Liraxus: Because they are third party programs
#272 [00:54] <xales> and not supported, or in any way affiliated with us or Mojang
#273 [00:55] <Austin_Doan> I just bought myself Minecraft Beta 1.2_02
#274 [00:55] <Liraxus> :l does notch even aproe generators like that?
#275 [00:55] <xales> Liraxus: Do I look like Notch?
#276 [00:55] <Kade> its more um - you're on your own
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#278 [00:55] <Austin_Doan> Do I get the final version emailed to me when its done?
#279 [00:55] <Kade> rather than any approval or disapproval
#280 [00:55] <xales> Austin_Doan: Not emailed, but you do get it
#281 [00:56] <EmpiresBane> woah... small text
#282 [00:56] <Austin_Doan> cool
#283 [00:56] <Austin_Doan> thank you
#284 [00:56] <EmpiresBane> finally running at 1920x1080
#285 [00:58] <EmpiresBane> time to test minecraft
#286 [00:59] <xales> EmpiresBane: A card that old even supports that resolution?
#287 [00:59] <EmpiresBane> yeah
#288 [00:59] <EmpiresBane> =O
#289 [00:59] <xales> O_o
#290 [00:59] <EmpiresBane> it works!
#291 [00:59] <EmpiresBane> i had running in some 4:3 ration earlier
#292 [00:59] <EmpiresBane> it looked terrible
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#294 [01:01] <EmpiresBane> time to delete extra crap
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#296 [01:04] <EmpiresBane> i have so much more space on the web! =)
#297 [01:05] <EmpiresBane> oh my god...
#298 [01:05] <xales> ?
#299 [01:05] <EmpiresBane> my friend is trying to get a promotion, so she fried some chicken breasts for her boss for some celebration
#300 [01:06] <EmpiresBane> but she didn't just fry a few
#301 [01:06] <EmpiresBane> she fried 40 of them
#302 [01:06] <EmpiresBane> maybe's she's trying to give him a heart attack so somebody will have to take his place?
#303 [01:07] <xales> I hope so
#304 [01:07] <xales> otherwise..40?
#305 [01:10] <EmpiresBane> lets see how well minecraft runs
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#308 [01:12] <EmpiresBane> this card must not handle the fog very well
#309 [01:12] <EmpiresBane> i'm getting much better performance on medium than on tiny
#310 [01:13] <xales> that is...definately interesting
#311 [01:13] <EmpiresBane> i've seen other computers that do it
#312 [01:14] <xales> I guess they aren't doing the fog the right way
#313 [01:14] <xales> =/
#314 [01:14] <EmpiresBane> i think it's probably not the fog
#315 [01:14] <EmpiresBane> but rather how they choose which blocks to render
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#317 [01:20] <yoshi> yo ^_^
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#322 [01:32] <EmpiresBane> hm...
#323 [01:32] <EmpiresBane> well, it's not running as fast as it did in XP
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#325 [01:33] <EmpiresBane> but that's probably because Notch "optimized" between now and then
#326 [01:35] <lemon-rev> ha.... now yoou can use trees as compasses ie the lower left hand side is always greener and in one corner
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#328 [01:40] <exp0> I wonder how difficult it would be to run a VM but have it replicate a separate partition and make it a vhd?
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#330 [01:53] <sepiatenshi> Hello, I would like know where to report a third party knock-off game for iphone/itouch that uses the minecraft name that could potentially be a virus?
#331 [01:53] <xales> Try daniel@mojang.com
#332 [01:54] <xales> It may be better to report it to Apple, however
#333 [01:54] <xales> or report it to Apple as well as Mojang
#334 [01:55] <sepiatenshi> thanks but i dont think apple would care about this issue, i think its more important to knock-down a knock-off
#335 [01:55] <xales> If its in the app-store, they will probably care
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#337 [02:11] <aetherian> heya kealper.com
#338 [02:11] <aetherian> I mean aubot
#339 [02:11] <aetherian> same dif
#340 [02:11] <aetherian> same ip
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#342 [02:11] <xales> what the hell
#343 [02:11] <xales> damn autocomplete
#344 [02:11] <aetherian> lol
#345 [02:11] <aetherian> <3
#346 [02:12] <aetherian> I got op for a little
#347 [02:12] <xales> Kealper: Stop crashing AuBot!
#348 [02:12] <xales> lol
#349 [02:12] <xales> pwned
#350 [02:12] <aetherian> *rageface*
#351 [02:13] <xales> 02:12:14 -ChanServ(services@esper.net)- aetherian added to #MineCraftHelp NOP list.
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#353 [02:13] <aetherian> NOP?
#354 [02:13] <aetherian> what's NOP
#355 [02:13] <xales> Never OP
#356 [02:13] * aetherian is ignorant
#356 [02:13] <aetherian> ah
#357 [02:13] <aetherian> 'sokay
#358 [02:13] <xales> 02:13:34 -ChanServ(services@esper.net)- Maintains the NeverOp (NOP) list for a channel. Users with
#359 [02:13] <xales> 02:13:34 -ChanServ(services@esper.net)- NOP status are not permitted to be given channel operator
#360 [02:13] <xales> 02:13:34 -ChanServ(services@esper.net)- (mode +o) status, and ChanServ will remove mode +o from such
#361 [02:14] <xales> 02:13:34 -ChanServ(services@esper.net)- users whenever it is given to them.
#362 [02:14] <aetherian> lol
#363 [02:15] <aetherian> ...
#364 [02:16] <aetherian> dodongo dislikes losing his home after he respawns
#365 [02:16] <aetherian> eureka
#366 [02:16] <aetherian> after going the loooong way
#367 [02:16] <J_couture> Hi, I'm trying something tricky here, my friend started a server on windows. We started playing, but I have my own dedicated server, I would like to import the world on my own computer. I tried some ways, but without success. How could I do that?
#368 [02:17] <aetherian> uh
#369 [02:17] <J_couture> oh btw, my server is on linux
#370 [02:17] <aetherian> just... ftp or however the World file into your mc server folder?
#371 [02:17] * freakboy31 [freakboy31@notlogged] has joined ##MineCraftHelp
#372 [02:17] <J_couture> doesn't work, it creates an other world
#373 [02:17] <freakboy31> Can you help me?
#374 [02:18] <lemon-rev> whats trouble ?
#375 [02:18] <aetherian> j_couture what is it set to read a world from?
#376 [02:18] <aetherian> like, in properties, I think
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#378 [02:19] <KillSpammer> http://twitter.com/#!/carlmanneh/status/31245475671711744 - :)
#379 [02:19] <freakboy31> Help me about premium user
#380 [02:19] <aetherian> j_couture?
#381 [02:19] <aetherian> what, freak?
#382 [02:19] <J_couture> oh wait
#383 [02:19] <J_couture> tried something
#384 [02:20] <lemon-rev> freakboy wtf, why whats happend ?
#385 [02:20] <freakboy31> When i join some servers, it says umm....
#386 [02:20] <freakboy31> User not premium
#387 [02:20] <freakboy31> but I am premium user since December
#388 [02:20] <lemon-rev> freakboy wats your username
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#390 [02:20] <aetherian> is freakboy31 your MC username?
#391 [02:20] <freakboy31> same name
#392 [02:20] <freakboy31> yes
#393 [02:20] <aetherian> !paid freakboy31
#394 [02:20] <aetherian> then I dunno
#395 [02:21] <lemon-rev> hm
#396 [02:21] <lemon-rev> wired
#397 [02:21] <lemon-rev> can you log into the website ?
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#400 [02:21] <freakboy31> I have also an image of freakboy31's current skin
#401 [02:22] <xales> freakboy31: Are you using 'Play Offline'?
#402 [02:22] <freakboy31> oh yeah
#403 [02:22] <freakboy31> because
#404 [02:22] <aetherian> heh
#405 [02:22] <freakboy31> minecraft.net is down
#406 [02:22] <aetherian> heheheh
#407 [02:22] <freakboy31> my bad?
#408 [02:22] <lemon-rev> yes
#409 [02:22] <lemon-rev> lol
#410 [02:22] <aetherian> yes
#411 [02:22] <aetherian> lolfail
#412 [02:22] <freakboy31> lol
#413 [02:22] <freakboy31> k
#414 [02:22] <lemon-rev> now slap your silly face :)
#415 [02:22] <aetherian> offline!=online
#416 [02:22] * freakboy31 slaps himself
#416 [02:23] * freakboy31 does for second attempt
#416 [02:23] * aetherian helps freakboy31 by slapping him harder
#416 [02:23] <aetherian> help'd
#417 [02:23] <freakboy31> thanks
#418 [02:23] <freakboy31> lol
#419 [02:23] <aetherian> anytime
#420 [02:24] <lemon-rev> did anyone know that axes acually kill chickens faster lol than swords
#421 [02:25] <aetherian> random lol is random?
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#423 [02:27] <noodle> I have a question
#424 [02:27] * aetherian eats some spaghetti
#424 [02:27] <aetherian> there
#425 [02:27] <aetherian> now nobody has any problems
#426 [02:27] <noodle> ;-;
#427 [02:28] <aetherian> *trollface*
#428 [02:28] <noodle> My friend logged into a local minecraft server, he then got a message in the chat area, it said "A rift opens!" looked the same as a server message and stuff
#429 [02:28] <noodle> what's it mean?
#430 [02:29] <aetherian> it's amod
#431 [02:29] <aetherian> *a mod
#432 [02:29] <noodle> What's it do? :O
#433 [02:29] <aetherian> dunno
#434 [02:30] <aetherian> brb
#435 [02:30] <noodle> mmk
#436 [02:30] <noodle> anybody else?
#437 [02:31] <Armalitex> uh oh
#438 [02:31] <Armalitex> mc went off
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#440 [02:31] <weet> anyone here?
#441 [02:31] <xales> nope
#442 [02:32] <weet> har har
#443 [02:32] <weet> Anyways, I need help on making a server. I've made one the hamachi way, but I need help adding mods
#444 [02:32] <xales> Unfortunately, we don't help with adding mods, sorry =/
#445 [02:32] <weet> fffffffffffFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
#446 [02:33] <weet> why not
#447 [02:33] <noodle> proly cause they arent supported by the developer?
#448 [02:34] <weet> Why does that matter? I didn't know minecrafthelp was for vanilla only
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#450 [02:36] <weet> All I'm trying to do is host a server for friends to play on, but with add-on's. Extra commands, more than 1 world on 1 server, custom spawns, ranks?
#451 [02:38] <noodle> hey xales, you got any idea what i was talking about?
#452 [02:39] <xales> ?
#453 [02:39] <noodle> <noodle> My friend logged into a local minecraft server, he then got a message in the chat area, it said "A rift opens!" looked the same as a server message and stuff
#454 [02:39] <noodle> what's it mean?
#455 [02:39] * aetherian sighs
#455 [02:44] <xales> oh
#456 [02:44] <xales> that would be a mod
#457 [02:44] <xales> lol
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#459 [02:45] <aetherian> I said that
#460 [02:45] <aetherian> lol
#461 [02:46] * aetherian has an odd urge to tnt a server
#461 [02:46] <aetherian> I blame TnT playing on the tadio
#462 [02:46] <aetherian> *radio
#463 [02:48] <noodle> well
#464 [02:48] <noodle> yeah
#465 [02:48] <noodle> i got what you said
#466 [02:48] <noodle> but i was wondering if there was anything else?
#467 [02:48] <KillSpammer> Not really
#468 [02:48] <KillSpammer> its a mod
#469 [02:48] <KillSpammer> And thats all it is
#470 [02:49] <aetherian> ask the people on the server if you need to know what mod
#471 [02:49] <KillSpammer> Trademark issue 1 ftw
#472 [02:49] <KillSpammer> Or you can punch aetherian.
#473 [02:49] <KillSpammer> That usually works
#474 [02:49] <aetherian> yeah
#475 [02:50] <noodle> He says that its not modded..
#476 [02:50] <noodle> O-o
#477 [02:50] <aetherian> punch me in the stomach and mod names come out of my left ear
#478 [02:50] <freakboy31> hi again
#479 [02:50] <noodle> nevermind
#480 [02:50] <noodle> he's a derp
#481 [02:50] <aetherian> herp
#482 [02:50] <freakboy31> <.>
#483 [02:51] <KillSpammer> derp dope herppyness
#484 [02:52] <aetherian> herp derp de diddly doop hoop shoop
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#486 [02:55] * aetherian is away: ping me if ya need me. Which you don't. won't. whatever.
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#487 [02:58] <freakboy31> yay
#488 [02:58] <freakboy31> where can i let everyone join my minecraft server?
#489 [02:58] <freakboy31> what channel
#490 [02:58] <freakboy31> :P
#491 [02:59] <xales> #smp
#492 [02:59] <freakboy31> alright then
#493 [02:59] <freakboy31> :D
#494 [02:59] <freakboy31> thanks
#495 [02:59] <aetherian> #smp: the minecraft server advertisement channel
#496 [03:05] <aetherian> ehehehe
#497 [03:05] * aetherian is back (gone 00:09:56)
#497 [03:05] <freakboy31> !check
#498 [03:05] <aetherian> I have never laughed so hard at a "bad" (somewhat poorly drawn and bad punchline, no profanity) kid-based it seems webcomic
#499 [03:06] <freakboy31> hmmm
#500 [03:06] <fogwraith> !ping
#501 [03:06] <crickets> fogwraith Your Ping time was 0.651 Seconds.
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#503 [03:06] <fogwraith> ;_;
#504 [03:07] * aetherian [aetherian@notlogged] has joined ##MineCraftHelp
#505 [03:08] <fogwraith> Hmm, Mom's birthday today, would feel kinda cheap to give her a MC account ;P
#506 [03:11] <freakboy31> lol
#507 [03:11] <freakboy31> happy bday
#508 [03:12] <KillSpammer> !ping
#509 [03:12] <crickets> KillSpammer Your Ping time was 0.601 Seconds.
#510 [03:12] <KillSpammer> Hehe fogwraith i win
#511 [03:15] <aetherian> !ping
#512 [03:15] <crickets> aetherian Your Ping time was 0.28 Seconds.
#513 [03:15] <aetherian> I win
#514 [03:15] <KillSpammer> GTFO
#515 [03:15] <KillSpammer> Your a hacker
#516 [03:15] <KillSpammer> !ping
#517 [03:15] <Kealper> oh yeah? well...i'd win even more....watch this insanely low ping (/s)
#518 [03:15] <crickets> KillSpammer Your Ping time was 0.681 Seconds.
#519 [03:15] <Kealper> !ping
#520 [03:15] <crickets> Kealper Your Ping time was 3.695 Seconds.
#521 [03:15] <aetherian> lol
#522 [03:16] <KillSpammer> !ping
#523 [03:16] <crickets> KillSpammer Your Ping time was 0.621 Seconds.
#524 [03:16] <aetherian> !ping
#525 [03:16] <crickets> aetherian Your Ping time was 0.271 Seconds.
#526 [03:16] <aetherian> win
#527 [03:16] <Kealper> technically, i won
#528 [03:16] <aetherian> and I'm like on the other side of the house as th router
#529 [03:16] <aetherian> kealper:we know
#530 [03:16] <KillSpammer> Shut up
#531 [03:16] <aetherian> like, 3.5 second delay or whatever?
#532 [03:16] <Kealper> yeah
#533 [03:16] <Kealper> so my actual ping was only like 195ms to that lol
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#535 [03:17] <aetherian> o_O
#536 [03:17] <aetherian> then how did I get a 1.02 ping reply?
#537 [03:18] <fogwraith> Meh, KillSpammer you haxer ;P
#538 [03:18] <fogwraith> !ping
#539 [03:18] <crickets> fogwraith Your Ping time was 0.541 Seconds.
#540 [03:18] <aetherian> !ping
#541 [03:18] <crickets> aetherian Your Ping time was 0.27 Seconds.
#542 [03:18] <aetherian> woo
#543 [03:18] * fogwraith shakes fist
#543 [03:21] <aetherian> !ping
#544 [03:21] <crickets> aetherian Your Ping time was 0.271 Seconds.
#545 [03:21] <aetherian> wait
#546 [03:21] <aetherian> I think I can maximize tat
#547 [03:21] <aetherian> that
#548 [03:21] * aetherian waits for resource monitor to load
#548 [03:22] <fogwraith> I could fix mine as well, but my new router and stuff isn't here yet ;P
#549 [03:22] <fogwraith> I'll settle with http://www.speedtest.net/result/1132694336.png for now
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#551 [03:22] <aetherian> nonono, like
#552 [03:23] <nizmo> any 1 no ov any servers up
#553 [03:23] <aetherian> without messing with router or moving closer
#554 [03:23] <fogwraith> Oh you mean, make it worse?
#555 [03:23] <nipper> nizmo I have a server up.
#556 [03:23] <nizmo> wats the ip
#557 [03:23] <nipper> mc.mcdominion.net
#558 [03:23] <nizmo> do i type that in 2 the sever?
#559 [03:24] <nipper> its my server address.
#560 [03:24] <aetherian> !ping
#561 [03:24] <crickets> aetherian Your Ping time was 0.27 Seconds.
#562 [03:24] <aetherian> augh
#563 [03:24] <nipper> !ping
#564 [03:24] <crickets> nipper Your Ping time was 0.661 Seconds.
#565 [03:24] <aetherian> I don't think I can get any lower
#566 [03:24] <aetherian> oh well
#567 [03:25] <fogwraith> aetherian: I could probably improve lots if I shut down the webserver as well as the classic and beta servers ;P
#568 [03:25] <aetherian> I could improve if I wasn't on the very outskirts of my routers range
#569 [03:25] <aetherian> behind lotsa walls/doors
#570 [03:25] <Kealper> !ping
#571 [03:25] <crickets> Kealper Your Ping time was 3.555 Seconds.
#572 [03:25] * fogwraith shuffles aetherian closer
#572 [03:25] <Kealper> dang....can't find a way to disable that
#573 [03:25] <fogwraith> Morning Kealper ;)
#574 [03:25] <Kealper> hi lol
#575 [03:26] <nizmo> wats it mean by user no premuim
#576 [03:26] <nipper> !check mc.mcdominion.net
#577 [03:26] <fogwraith> What did you buy my mother for her birthday? Or will you dissapoint her this year as well? :P
#578 [03:26] <nipper> lol
#579 [03:26] <Kealper> fogwraith: really.... 100 up/down internet? that has to be your server and not your home lol
#580 [03:26] <fogwraith> Kealper: that's my home connection ;P
#581 [03:27] <Kealper> u.u
#582 [03:27] <fogwraith> Running on a backup router since the old one fried ;_;
#583 [03:27] <freakboy31> hmmm
#584 [03:28] <Kealper> dang....my internet is crying from downloading that image now
#585 [03:28] <fogwraith> January, worst month of the new year... still waiting for my moneys for a new router and all ;/
#586 [03:29] <Kealper> i've got like the fastest speeds you can get for a home connection in probably 80% of usa cities....and it's only 24/10 up/down
#587 [03:29] <Kealper> whoops, 24/10 down/up
#588 [03:29] <fogwraith> Well, you bastards had flatrate back when we had pay per minute connected ;P
#589 [03:30] <freakboy31> !check 110.93.80.137:25565
#590 [03:30] <Kealper> pay pe minute? jesus i'd have like a billion dollar internet bill if i had that lol
#591 [03:30] <fogwraith> Yeah, didn't stay connected very much, got the bills every 3 months
#592 [03:30] <fogwraith> ~1k USD
#593 [03:30] <Kealper> the hell? lol
#594 [03:31] <fogwraith> That's like... lots ;P
#595 [03:31] <Kealper> that is lol
#596 [03:31] <Cial> damn
#597 [03:31] <Cial> and i thought my connection was shit
#598 [03:31] <Cial> congrats you make me feel better about life ^_^
#599 [03:31] <Kealper> what, seem fog's speed test? lol
#600 [03:31] <fogwraith> But that was then, and now is now, and it's still expensive :P
#601 [03:32] <Kealper> how much do you pay for that internet? that can't be cheap, due to 100mbit upload
#602 [03:32] <fogwraith> ~110 USD, includes static IP
#603 [03:32] <fogwraith> per month
#604 [03:32] <Kealper> because i know a ton of european placoes have 100 down, but it's usually only 5-10 up
#605 [03:32] <Kealper> wow
#606 [03:33] <Kealper> i pay like 65 usd for 24 down 10 up -.-
#607 [03:33] <fogwraith> I could downgrade and get 100/10... ~19 usd/mo
#608 [03:33] <Kealper> !!!
#609 [03:34] <Kealper> fuck that i'm moving to sweden when i get the chance lol
#610 [03:34] <fogwraith> I have a spare "bedroom" ;)
#611 [03:35] <Kealper> "bedroom" sounds more like a broom closet with those quotes >.>
#612 [03:35] <fogwraith> Well, it has a bed and some spacing
#613 [03:35] <freakboy31> beh
#614 [03:35] <freakboy31> room
#615 [03:35] <aetherian> ah, internet
#616 [03:36] <fogwraith> The bed is like, 120x200cm
#617 [03:36] <fogwraith> So it's not that small ;P
#618 [03:36] <fogwraith> You can fit girls in it (!!!)
#619 [03:36] <Kealper> XD
#620 [03:36] <aetherian> lol
#621 [03:37] <fogwraith> Mine is slightly bigger... 200x200cm :P
#622 [03:37] <Kealper> not sure what mine is...never measured it, but it's a pretty square bed
#623 [03:38] <fogwraith> Oh, and I have this other room too, that's only being used for hardware storage... you'd fit right in there ;)
#624 [03:38] <Kealper> XD
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#626 [03:39] <fogwraith> That reminds me, I have to inflict pain on my brother
#627 [03:39] <Kealper> so like....how fast are your actual download speeds? does stuff actually download at like 8-10MBps? lol
#628 [03:39] <fogwraith> 11-12 megabytes per second
#629 [03:40] <Kealper> u.u
#630 [03:42] <fogwraith> My brother, on the other hand, has five IP's with 100mbit both directions each, which means he can do multiwan / loadbalancing
#631 [03:42] <fogwraith> I hope you will send your pain his way
#632 [03:42] * Kealper nerdrages
#632 [03:42] * fogwraith nods
#632 [03:43] * aetherian sobs in the corner
#632 [03:43] <Kealper> like seriously...what the hell lol...in the us you can only have those speeds/options on servers in datacenters -.-
#633 [03:43] <Kealper> man, when they say the us sucks for speeds, they really mean it
#634 [03:43] <aetherian> moving somewhere, kealper?
#635 [03:43] <fogwraith> Well, you don't really... they just lock the general public away from the juicy stuff :P
#636 [03:43] <Kealper> if i had the money, i'd totally move to sweden lol
#637 [03:44] <Kealper> true
#638 [03:44] <freakboy31> wish i have fast download speed as 34 MBps
#639 [03:44] <freakboy31> i have 60 KB speed
#640 [03:44] <Kealper> most isps have monopolies in the areas, so there is no incentive to make it better
#641 [03:44] <fogwraith> My ISP introduced a new package, but it offers only more download speed, not faster upload than 100mbit
#642 [03:45] <fogwraith> It's shithell expensive ;/
#643 [03:45] <SinZ> anyone know any good linux commands to compress stuff
#644 [03:45] <fogwraith> tar --help
#645 [03:45] <SinZ> tar?
#646 [03:45] <Kealper> like for the longest time...my cable company only offered 6mbps download until a dsl provider moved in...and now they just nudge the speed up so it's a bit faster than the dsl each time the dsl company gets better stuff -.-
#647 [03:46] <fogwraith> -____-
#648 [03:46] <Kealper> SinZ: ever seen a .tar.gz file? lol
#649 [03:46] <nipper> man tar
#650 [03:46] <SinZ> iv seen them, never knew what made them
#651 [03:46] <SinZ> Are they just like zip files
#652 [03:46] <Kealper> u.u
#653 [03:46] <Kealper> no
#654 [03:46] <fogwraith> Kealper: 1000/100 Mbit/s @ 155 USD/mo
#655 [03:46] <nipper> lol never messed with a *nix system
#656 [03:47] <Kealper> screw this, fuck you, usa!
#657 [03:47] <nipper> fogwraith I want. Thats the cost of my cable is now. for 10/5
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#659 [03:47] <xales> Kelly
#660 [03:47] <xales> mind testing something?
#661 [03:47] <aetherian> heh
#662 [03:47] <fogwraith> ;-------------------------O
#663 [03:47] <aetherian> heh heh
#664 [03:47] <fogwraith> What?
#665 [03:48] <aetherian> wait, which one's kelly?
#666 [03:48] <Kealper> huh?
#667 [03:48] <xales> Kealper is Kelly
#668 [03:48] <fogwraith> Haha
#669 [03:48] <aetherian> that's what I thought
#670 [03:48] <xales> Kealper: http://64pixels.org/
#671 [03:48] <xales> click 'play now' and connect to darksigns.net
#672 [03:48] <aetherian> wait... are you stealing my insults?
#673 [03:48] <fogwraith> That game is awsum
#674 [03:48] <xales> aetherian: that is an insult?
#675 [03:48] <aetherian> to him
#676 [03:48] <xales> fogwraith: I'm rewriting the server in C because Java sucks
#677 [03:49] <Kealper> doesn't let me
#678 [03:49] <xales> Kealper: define 'doesn't let you'? :P
#679 [03:49] <Kealper> says the server does not allow public connections
#680 [03:49] <xales> thats what it should do
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#682 [03:49] <fogwraith> Waitwhat, who made the game? :P
#683 [03:49] <Kealper> 64pixels?
#684 [03:49] <fogwraith> Yus
#685 [03:50] <Kealper> glados and a friend of his
#686 [03:50] <fogwraith> Nice stuff ;)
#687 [03:50] <xales> Kealper: glados disn't make it
#688 [03:50] <xales> asiekierka and greasemonkey made it
#689 [03:50] <Kealper> oh, was it just that friend?
#690 [03:50] <xales> also sexy log is sexy. http://pastebin.com/e1LS9f65
#691 [03:50] <Kealper> well...how is glados connected then?
#692 [03:50] <xales> glados pays for the vps
#693 [03:50] <xales> lol
#694 [03:50] <Kealper> oh
#695 [03:50] <Kealper> bah
#696 [03:50] <fogwraith> Ohsnap, I'm still running 0.0.7.1 ;P
#697 [03:51] <Kealper> i've probably got an ancient version
#698 [03:51] <SinZ> so..
#699 [03:51] <SinZ> tar -a world1/
#700 [03:51] <fogwraith> I accidently the wirium once, it was horrible
#701 [03:51] <Kealper> the whole wirium?
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#703 [03:52] <fogwraith> The -whole-
#704 [03:52] <Kealper> oh dear
#705 [03:52] * fogwraith nods
#705 [03:52] <xales> fogwraith, Kealper, https://github.com/xales/ascemox
#706 [03:52] * fogwraith forks it and writes it in mono
#706 [03:52] <mib_adx9mt> ok wtf my world got deleted for no reason then i started another one and i just got on and half of my huge house is gone plus my chest that had 20 dimonds in does anyone know y????????????//
#707 [03:52] <Kealper> .h?! .c?!
#708 [03:52] <xales> glfh
#709 [03:53] <fogwraith> Hell no ;P
#710 [03:53] <Kealper> did you make that server? lol
#711 [03:53] <mib_adx9mt> no
#712 [03:53] <mib_adx9mt> its single player
#713 [03:53] <SinZ> so.. anyone got an example for the tar command
#714 [03:53] <Kealper> mib_adx9mt: sorry, that was not to you lol
#715 [03:53] <xales> SinZ: to do what?
#716 [03:53] <fogwraith> http://www.cs.duke.edu/~ola/courses/programming/tar.html
#717 [03:53] <mib_adx9mt> oh my bad
#718 [03:53] <SinZ> compress a world folder
#719 [03:53] <xales> mib_adx9mt: Can you try to type like a person and not a moron
#720 [03:53] <xales> >.>
#721 [03:53] <xales> I can't even understand what you asked
#722 [03:53] <fogwraith> mib_adx9mt: creepers
#723 [03:54] <SinZ> lol
#724 [03:54] <Kealper> probably not creepers
#725 [03:54] <fogwraith> SinZ: http://www.cs.duke.edu/~ola/courses/programming/tar.html
#726 [03:54] <Kealper> probably corrupt chunk
#727 [03:54] <mib_adx9mt> i got on and my world was deleted it like 0.0 mb
#728 [03:54] <Kealper> uhh
#729 [03:54] <mib_adx9mt> when i had like 6 gigs on there
#730 [03:54] <Kealper> did you make a portal to the nether?
#731 [03:55] <fogwraith> exaggeration much?
#732 [03:55] <mib_adx9mt> no
#733 [03:55] <Kealper> ikr?
#734 [03:55] <Kealper> mib_adx9mt: you did not have a portal to the nether on your old map that said it was 0.0mb?
#735 [03:55] <mib_adx9mt> yea i think it just started a new one. like i deleted it but i didnt
#736 [03:56] <Kealper> that world was fine
#737 [03:56] <Kealper> there is a bug with computing space when you have nether portals in a map
#738 [03:56] <mib_adx9mt> whats that?
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#740 [03:57] <Kealper> obsidian ring with purple crazy stuff in it?
#741 [03:57] <mib_adx9mt> ....i didnt even know u could do that lol
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#743 [03:57] <aetherian> night guys
#744 [03:57] <Kealper> oh, i redact that statement, the world was probably corrupt
#745 [03:58] <fogwraith> night aetherian
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#747 [03:58] <mib_adx9mt> sooo im sol?
#748 [03:58] <SinZ> much faster then ftp =D
#749 [03:58] <Kealper> as for your new one....that was probably a corrupt chunk of map
#750 [03:58] <Kealper> so yes, sol
#751 [03:58] <SinZ> command for copy for linux?
#752 [03:58] <mib_adx9mt> dang any way i can avoid that from now on?
#753 [03:58] <SinZ> iv done it before, just forgot it
#754 [03:58] <xales> oh
#755 [03:59] <SinZ> cp?
#756 [03:59] <xales> I use tar -cvzf output.tar.gz inputs
#757 [03:59] <xales> to create a tar
#758 [03:59] <SinZ> yeh, i used cvzf
#759 [03:59] <Kealper> mib_adx9mt: you could make backups of your map, but for now there is no way to prevent something like that :/
#760 [03:59] <mib_adx9mt> ....
#761 [03:59] <SinZ> and the extention i used, was tgz
#762 [03:59] <Kealper> a new save format is being worked on right now though
#763 [03:59] <mib_adx9mt> so i can make a backup?
#764 [04:00] <mib_adx9mt> like it keeps my house together lol?
#765 [04:00] <Kealper> so hopefully those corrupt spots will be a thing of the past
#766 [04:00] <SinZ> so xales: copy command for ubuntu?
#767 [04:00] <Kealper> as for backups.... all save files are located in %appdata%/.minecraft/saves
#768 [04:00] <dopeghoti> cp
#769 [04:00] <SinZ> yay got it right
#770 [04:00] <xales> oh, sorry
#771 [04:00] <xales> yeah, cp
#772 [04:00] <dopeghoti> cp is `copt` in all *nixes
#773 [04:00] <mib_adx9mt> ok thxs
#774 [04:00] <freakboy31> rawr
#775 [04:00] <mib_adx9mt> i gotta another question
#776 [04:00] <dopeghoti> YKWIM
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#778 [04:01] <mib_adx9mt> i just wanna build is there a good mod to just to make items so i dont have to mine?
#779 [04:01] <mib_adx9mt> for the new version
#780 [04:01] <mib_adx9mt> ?
#781 [04:01] <xales> classic mode?
#782 [04:01] <xales> :P
#783 [04:02] <mib_adx9mt> so i have to use the classic?
#784 [04:02] <mib_adx9mt> nothing i can do with the alpha?
#785 [04:02] <Kealper> you could play in multiplayer, and just spawn yourself the items lol
#786 [04:02] <xales> it is beta
#787 [04:02] <xales> and there are ways to do it
#788 [04:02] <mib_adx9mt> oh yea
#789 [04:02] <xales> but it is easier to just use alpha
#790 [04:02] <mib_adx9mt> how?
#791 [04:02] <xales> err, calssic
#792 [04:02] <mib_adx9mt> oh
#793 [04:02] <mib_adx9mt> k
#794 [04:02] <mib_adx9mt> do u know any mulit. servers?
#795 [04:03] <mib_adx9mt> i just got the game like 3 weeks btw
#796 [04:03] <xales> you would have to run your own to spawn stuf
#797 [04:03] <xales> f
#798 [04:03] <mib_adx9mt> ah
#799 [04:03] <xales> or use a freebuild server
#800 [04:03] <xales> smp.shadow-craft.net:25570 is a freebuild server
#801 [04:03] <mib_adx9mt> so pretty much have my own server on my pc?
#802 [04:03] <xales> or use a freebuild server like the one I just gave you the IP to
#803 [04:03] <Kealper> or use the server that xales linked
#804 [04:04] <Kealper> it lets you do stuff like /give wood 64
#805 [04:04] <mib_adx9mt> ok can i have both and ill try them out
#806 [04:04] <mib_adx9mt> yea
#807 [04:04] <mib_adx9mt> my bro had a multi server but he shut it down cause it took too much for his pc
#808 [04:04] <mib_adx9mt> it crashed alot lol
#809 [04:04] <Kealper> they are resource-heavy beasts, yes
#810 [04:06] <mib_adx9mt> so anything really differnt between classic and the beta?
#811 [04:06] <Kealper> loads
#812 [04:06] <mib_adx9mt> dang
#813 [04:06] <Kealper> they are almost two different games
#814 [04:06] <freakboy31> hmmm
#815 [04:06] <Kealper> your bes bet if you just want to build stuff is to hop on that server that xales gave you...it lets you spawn items and stuff without worrying about running your own server
#816 [04:07] <Kealper> and you have people to talk to :O
#817 [04:07] <freakboy31> !check 192.168.1.105
#818 [04:07] <mib_adx9mt> sweet so i just type that number in the ip box
#819 [04:07] <freakboy31> !check 110.93.80.137
#820 [04:07] <freakboy31> O.o
#821 [04:07] <mib_adx9mt> ?
#822 [04:08] <freakboy31> what does it mean
#823 [04:08] <mib_adx9mt> is that correct ip?
#824 [04:08] <freakboy31> I have my server working
#825 [04:08] <freakboy31> !check
#826 [04:08] <Kealper> ports are probably not forwarded corectly then
#827 [04:08] <xales> mib_adx9mt: you type 'smp.shadow-craft.net:25570' in the box
#828 [04:09] <mib_adx9mt> ill try it out thxs
#829 [04:09] <freakboy31> !check 110.93.80.137:25565
#830 [04:09] <freakboy31> "|
#831 [04:09] <freakboy31> !check 25565
#832 [04:10] <freakboy31> lol
#833 [04:10] <freakboy31> so
#834 [04:10] <freakboy31> means only myself can play my own multiplayer
#835 [04:10] <freakboy31> that looks useless
#836 [04:10] <freakboy31> nvm
#837 [04:12] <mib_adx9mt> lol yea
#838 [04:12] <Kealper> freakboy31: http://portforward.com
#839 [04:14] <mib_adx9mt> ok...none of that worked? lol or am im just stupid?
#840 [04:14] * freakboy31 joines xales's server anyway
#840 [04:14] <freakboy31> I am Old Spice Guy in minecraft
#841 [04:14] <mib_adx9mt> cool
#842 [04:15] <Kealper> is your skin Issah Mustafa? lol
#843 [04:15] <xales> mib_adx9mt: What do you mean didn't work?
#844 [04:15] <Kealper> i killed that spelling
#845 [04:15] <mib_adx9mt> i type in the ip but it failed
#846 [04:15] <mib_adx9mt> ?
#847 [04:15] <xales> define failed
#848 [04:15] <xales> what exactly did it say ._.
#849 [04:15] <mib_adx9mt> brb
#850 [04:15] <freakboy31> Kealper, yeah lol
#851 [04:15] <mib_adx9mt> fail to login:bad login
#852 [04:16] <xales> mib_adx9mt: What is your username?
#853 [04:16] <freakboy31> My first skin when i am gifted by my chatmate is eskimo
#854 [04:16] <mib_adx9mt> DRvassPHD
#855 [04:17] <xales> mib_adx9mt: and you did buy the game, correct?
#856 [04:17] <mib_adx9mt> yes...well it was gifted to me but he paid for it
#857 [04:17] <mib_adx9mt> though minecraft.net
#858 [04:17] <xales> are you using the 'play offline' option?
#859 [04:18] <mib_adx9mt> ..it didnt ask?
#860 [04:18] <xales> then you aren't
#861 [04:18] <mib_adx9mt> ok
#862 [04:18] <xales> try closing Minecraft and opening it again
#863 [04:19] <mib_adx9mt> k
#864 [04:19] <mib_adx9mt> now what?
#865 [04:21] <xales> just try connecting again
#866 [04:21] <mib_adx9mt> ok and i type in the box this right?
#867 [04:21] <mib_adx9mt> smp.shadow-craft.net
#868 [04:21] <Kealper> smp.shadow-craft.net:25570
#869 [04:22] <mib_adx9mt> grrr it froze ok
#870 [04:23] <freakboy31> hmmm
#871 [04:23] <freakboy31> i had my ports open
#872 [04:23] <xales> did you have them open correctly, as well as diabled any firewall?
#873 [04:23] <mib_adx9mt> unknow host
#874 [04:23] <mib_adx9mt> is what i said
#875 [04:23] <mib_adx9mt> ?
#876 [04:24] <mib_adx9mt> it
#877 [04:25] <xales> what exactly did you type, mib_adx9mt
#878 [04:25] <mib_adx9mt> i forgot the :
#879 [04:25] <freakboy31> copy and paste
#880 [04:29] <mib_adx9mt> thxs dudes
#881 [04:32] <SinZ> why do i keep on forgetting linux commands
#882 [04:32] <SinZ> =(
#883 [04:33] <SinZ> why do people use mibbit names anyway
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#885 [04:33] <Kealper> iono
#886 [04:34] <SinZ> whats command for symlink again?
#887 [04:34] <xales> ln -s
#888 [04:34] <SinZ> ty
#889 [04:35] <SinZ> its ln -s world.tgz /var/www/ right?
#890 [04:35] <xales> ln -s (target) (linkname)
#891 [04:36] <xales> that should work
#892 [04:36] <SinZ> mmk
#893 [04:37] <SinZ> i hate my setup of my vps
#894 [04:38] <SinZ> i only have 2 accounts, both not sudo or root
#895 [04:38] <SinZ> one for my servers, other for site
#896 [04:38] <SinZ> but my site should be interactive with server, and vice vera
#897 [04:38] <SinZ> versa
#898 [04:38] <SinZ> =(
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#900 [04:41] <SinZ> how big is 5,214,904
#901 [04:41] <SinZ> is it gb, mb or kb =(
#902 [04:42] <freakboy31> hmmm
#903 [04:43] <freakboy31> Hello
#904 [04:44] <Cial> gig i think why
#905 [04:45] <SinZ> heh
#906 [04:45] <SinZ> a 3day old smp map
#907 [04:45] <SinZ> but, it has a 200x200 redstone build
#908 [04:45] <Cial> damn
#909 [04:45] <SinZ> calculator
#910 [04:46] <Cial> if you right click on the world folder and click properties it should tell you how big it is
#911 [04:46] <SinZ> on linux terminal...
#912 [04:46] <Cial> oh i see
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#914 [04:49] <xales> SinZ: ls -lah
#915 [04:49] <xales> will show in 'human readable' size
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#917 [04:49] <xales> as well as du -m
#918 [04:49] <SinZ> mb =D
#919 [04:50] <xales> the -h is the human-readable flag
#920 [04:50] <xales> for ls
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#927 [05:27] <SinZ> then whats the la for it then xales
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#930 [05:39] <Portality> hello
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#939 [06:43] <xGhOsTkiLLeRx> hey, I'm having problems with my minecraft server, I can connect via my IP (192.168.....), but my friend can't connect to the server with the external IP. My ports (UDP & TCP) are open at the standard port of minecraft.
#940 [06:43] <xGhOsTkiLLeRx> Any idea, how to fix this problem?
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#945 [07:11] <xGhOsTkiLLeRx> hey, anybody here, who would try to connect to my server?
#946 [07:14] <xGhOsTkiLLeRx> come on guys, please... just one test for 1 min...
#947 [07:15] <peru__> nobody will
#948 [07:15] <peru__> because you didnt say your ip
#949 [07:16] <xGhOsTkiLLeRx> 87.142.178.110
#950 [07:16] <xGhOsTkiLLeRx> ;)
#951 [07:17] <xGhOsTkiLLeRx> thx, now I know, that it's my router
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#953 [07:22] <xGhOsTkiLLeRx> would you test it again? 87.142.178.110
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#955 [07:29] <xGhOsTkiLLeRx> 87.142.178.110 pls 1 test :P
#956 [07:33] <peru__> same
#957 [07:33] <xGhOsTkiLLeRx> still my router :(
#958 [07:33] <xGhOsTkiLLeRx> but thx...
#959 [07:33] <fogwraith> Stuck at logging in ;P
#960 [07:33] <xGhOsTkiLLeRx> I know, i opened the port UDP an TCP 25565 for my computer, disabled my AntiVir & windows firewall
#961 [07:34] <xGhOsTkiLLeRx> and http://www.canyouseeme.org/ says, that my port is open
#962 [07:35] <fogwraith> What network card do you have in your computer?
#963 [07:35] <fogwraith> Atheros = fail
#964 [07:35] <xGhOsTkiLLeRx> Atheros AR8121/AR8113/AR8114 PCI-E Ethernet Controller
#965 [07:35] <fogwraith> There you go, the problem
#966 [07:35] <GreyVulpine> Nice call.
#967 [07:36] <xGhOsTkiLLeRx> no solution?
#968 [07:36] <fogwraith> Get a new one
#969 [07:36] <fogwraith> Realtek is cheap and works, but intel should be better
#970 [07:36] <xGhOsTkiLLeRx> Maybe I have one in a old computer
#971 [07:37] <xGhOsTkiLLeRx> shine net LCS 8038TXR7
#972 [07:37] <fogwraith> GreyVulpine: I don't always think of that problem, but it usually is when nothing else seem to work... since you called it last time :P
#973 [07:40] <GreyVulpine> :P
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#979 [07:52] <xGhOsTkiLLeRx_> ok, maybe found a solution. pls tets again 87.142.178.110
#980 [07:53] <GreyVulpine> !check 87.142.178.110
#981 [07:53] <xGhOsTkiLLeRx_> hmm still doesnt work
#982 [07:53] <fogwraith> Increased buffer? didn't work
#983 [07:54] <fogwraith> Got stuck at downloading terrain, then it died
#984 [07:54] <GreyVulpine> !check 87.142.178.110
#985 [07:54] <xGhOsTkiLLeRx> yes increased buffer
#986 [07:54] <fogwraith> It works about 1% of the time
#987 [07:54] <xGhOsTkiLLeRx> hmm, that's bad
#988 [07:54] <GreyVulpine> And isn't really a solution as more of a stopgap
#989 [07:55] <xGhOsTkiLLeRx> ^^
#990 [07:55] <xGhOsTkiLLeRx> im going to restart my computer
#991 [07:55] <fogwraith> If it starts working, it will allow about 5-10 minutes of playtime... MAX
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#993 [08:01] <xGhOsTkiLLeRx> so back,
#994 [08:01] <xGhOsTkiLLeRx> is it possible to play with my friend via Hamachi
#995 [08:02] <xGhOsTkiLLeRx> ?
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#999 [08:33] <bobd0le> hey guys, i cant change my profile pic/skin on the mc website
#1000 [08:33] <bobd0le> and how do i register my nice for irc?
#1001 [08:33] <GreyVulpine> /ns register password email
#1002 [08:33] <GreyVulpine> And sure you can.
#1003 [08:34] <bobd0le> Well everytime i upload the picture, nothing happens :/
#1004 [08:35] <bobd0le> I downloaded the skin from the main minecraft skin site
#1005 [08:35] <bobd0le> and i tried putting it in minecraft.jar
#1006 [08:36] <bobd0le> its currently in the main minecraft.jar and the mob folder
#1007 [08:36] <bobd0le> and tried uploading it to the site
#1008 [08:36] <bobd0le> one sec, i'll upload it to imageshack or something
#1009 [08:37] <bobd0le> http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/2104/charb.png
#1010 [08:37] <bobd0le> ja, thats its - its a gordon freeman skin, and it had a lot of downloads before me
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#1012 [08:40] <bobd0le> so, any ideas? :o
#1013 [08:44] * GreyVulpine shrugs
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#1015 [08:50] <bobd0le> oh vell, thanks nonetheless
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#1017 [08:51] <Misan> <Misan>i got default textures and no modded minecraft, latest version
#1018 [08:51] <Misan> <Misan>i just placed a picture
#1019 [08:51] <Misan> <Misan>http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13391025/screenshot_20110129145019.jpg
#1020 [08:51] <Misan> <Misan>is this bug known?
#1021 [08:51] <Misan> <Misan>wrong chanel :D
#1022 [08:52] <Misan> ignore the "wrong channel"
#1023 [08:52] <GreyVulpine> I see a minimap.
#1024 [08:53] <Misan> o.O
#1025 [08:53] <GreyVulpine> That's not part of the standard vanilla install
#1026 [08:53] <Misan> oh true.. howerver.
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#1028 [08:53] <Misan> i didnt mod the picture file
#1029 [08:53] <Misan> o.o
#1030 [08:53] <Misan> and deinstalled mod
#1031 [08:53] <Misan> still empty picture :D
#1032 [08:53] <GreyVulpine> I don't know, haven't heard of anything like that
#1033 [08:54] <Misan> hm weird :D
#1034 [08:54] <wikkit> whats wrong with the servers?
#1035 [08:54] <GreyVulpine> Hmm?
#1036 [08:54] <Misan> its not server side
#1037 [08:54] <Misan> it seems like
#1038 [08:54] <Misan> it is possible to place "empty" pictures
#1039 [08:55] <wikkit> the multiplayer servers aren't working..
#1040 [08:55] <GreyVulpine> Sure they are
#1041 [08:55] <wikkit> for classic
#1042 [08:55] <GreyVulpine> Ah
#1043 [08:55] <Misan> its beta
#1044 [08:55] <wikkit> whenever i click on a server it doesn't load..
#1045 [08:56] <GreyVulpine> Well, classic's been having some problems lately. Don't know when it'll be fixed
#1046 [08:56] <GreyVulpine> Misan, Check the getsatisfaction bug tracker?
#1047 [08:56] <GreyVulpine> Maybe somebody else has posted in there, in the meanwhile, get rid of your /bin folder in your /.minecraft
#1048 [08:56] <Misan> well i dont really care about the bug, just wanted to report
#1049 [08:56] <Misan> okay
#1050 [08:56] <GreyVulpine> Make sure you have a clean install
#1051 [08:58] <Misan> i just deleted everything
#1052 [08:58] <Misan> exceptworlds
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#1054 [09:00] <tiba666> arhh minecraft get me crazy i crash every 5 min or so o.O any think i can do have already try reinstall minecraft ^^
#1055 [09:00] <GreyVulpine> Got a crash report you can upload at pastebin.com?
#1056 [09:01] <tiba666> no when it will show it it just say the program dont answer ^^
#1057 [09:01] <tiba666> and some time just close the game down when i mine o.O
#1058 [09:03] <GreyVulpine> Try reinstalling java?
#1059 [09:03] <wikkit> is there a way to play the beta for free?
#1060 [09:03] <GreyVulpine> No
#1061 [09:03] <wikkit> why does it cost mney to play the beta anyways...
#1062 [09:03] <GreyVulpine> Try working for free, and see how far that gets you in life
#1063 [09:04] <wikkit> a beta is supposed to be free to see if u will actually want to be the full version
#1064 [09:04] <GreyVulpine> That's not what a beta is
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#1066 [09:05] <wikkit> also i have a question about this mod optimizer i downloaded to help increase fps when playing
#1067 [09:06] <GreyVulpine> I don't think anybody here can answer that type of question. We don't officially support mods here.
#1068 [09:06] <GreyVulpine> I'm sure the forum thread where you got it would be happy to answer those questions though.
#1069 [09:06] <wikkit> ok but do u know where i would find the minecraft.jar file?
#1070 [09:06] <GreyVulpine> depends on your OS
#1071 [09:06] <wikkit> OS?
#1072 [09:07] <GreyVulpine> operating system
#1073 [09:07] <wikkit> windows vista home premium
#1074 [09:07] <GreyVulpine> start -> type in the search bar: %appdata%
#1075 [09:07] <GreyVulpine> look for the .minecraft folder
#1076 [09:07] <GreyVulpine> go into the /.minecraft/bin folder
#1077 [09:07] <GreyVulpine> minecraft.jar is there
#1078 [09:11] <wikkit> i dont see a /.minecraft/bin folder in .minecraft
#1079 [09:12] <GreyVulpine> is there a bin folder
#1080 [09:12] <wikkit> no
#1081 [09:12] <GreyVulpine> There.. isn't?
#1082 [09:13] <GreyVulpine> Wait, you're playing classic?
#1083 [09:13] <wikkit> all there is in the folder is resources and options
#1084 [09:13] <wikkit> yes
#1085 [09:13] <GreyVulpine> Then there won't be one
#1086 [09:13] <wikkit> omg
#1087 [09:13] <GreyVulpine> Most likely, that optimizer is for beta
#1088 [09:14] <wikkit> how much is the beta?
#1089 [09:14] <GreyVulpine> 15 euros
#1090 [09:15] <wikkit> damn i could buy that but i really shouldn't...
#1091 [09:17] <wikkit> ok thanks for the help though
#1092 [09:17] <GreyVulpine> It'll only go up to 20 euros on final release
#1093 [09:17] <GreyVulpine> if you buy it now, you'll get all the updates, bug fixes, and the final version for only 15 euros.
#1094 [09:17] <wikkit> ik but i shouldn't use my money on buying a computer game
#1095 [09:18] <GreyVulpine> Your call.
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#1097 [09:26] <noteda> http://youtube.com/watch?v=cK5yl9t_vfc iwillrockyou
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#1100 [09:28] <bobd0le> Is there anyway to change your spawnpoint?
#1101 [09:28] <GreyVulpine> via a map editor, yes
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#1106 [09:33] <tiba666> it's still crash :/
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#1110 [09:41] <GreyHCK> What java version i must have to run minecraft?
#1111 [09:41] <GreyVulpine> Latest, preferably
#1112 [09:41] <GreyHCK> and if it says 'unable to create the Java virtual machine' or something like that?
#1113 [09:42] <GreyVulpine> Either a corrupt java install, or you don't have enough RAM
#1114 [09:42] <GreyHCK> ok thanks
#1115 [09:42] <GreyHCK> bye
#1116 [09:42] <tiba666> it's
#1117 [09:42] <tiba666> i have 8gb ddr3 ram
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#1119 [09:43] <tiba666> os win 7 64bit
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#1122 [09:48] <tiba666> where should i upload the crash report?
#1123 [09:48] <GreyVulpine> pastebin.com
#1124 [09:52] <KillSpammer> Or just spam it in this chat and get kicked.
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#1126 [10:13] <LordEddi> Hm, I know you peeps dont support mods, but Ill ask in hopes that someone in here might actually know; How do I get Stargate to work >.> Its enabled on the server, but the users cant create gates.
#1127 [10:15] <fogwraith> Didn't they rename it to wormhole?
#1128 [10:15] <LordEddi> Dont think so, no.
#1129 [10:16] <fogwraith> http://forums.bukkit.org/threads/tp-wormhole-x-treme-v0-39-157.1782/
#1130 [10:16] <fogwraith> You sure?
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#1132 [10:16] <bellows> helllloooo???
#1133 [10:16] <fogwraith> Why helloooooooooo there!
#1134 [10:16] <fogwraith> :|
#1135 [10:17] <LordEddi> Njet, not sure ^^
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#1137 [10:19] <fogwraith> Follow the instructions in that post
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#1139 [10:23] <LordEddi> Ill give it a whirl, thanks.
#1140 [10:24] <fogwraith> Same shit different name, the rules in that post should still apply
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#1143 [10:25] <noteda1> http://youtube.com/watch?v=cK5yl9t_vfc iwillrockyou
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#1147 [10:33] <Kitsume> Soooo anyone alive in here?
#1148 [10:33] <GreyVulpine> Nope
#1149 [10:33] <Kitsume> hah
#1150 [10:33] <Kitsume> ok so here is my question
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#1152 [10:33] <Kitsume> how do you go about making backups of your saves?
#1153 [10:34] <GreyVulpine> What OS are you on, and for SP or SMP?
#1154 [10:34] <feenyx> copy/paste
#1155 [10:34] <Kitsume> vista
#1156 [10:35] <GreyVulpine> Single player or survival multiplayer
#1157 [10:35] <Kitsume> oh single sorry
#1158 [10:35] <GreyVulpine> Then go to your start menu, type in the search bar: %appdata%
#1159 [10:35] <GreyVulpine> Go find the .minecraft folder, then the saves folder
#1160 [10:35] <Mas3212> anyone know the system requirements to run a smp server are?
#1161 [10:35] <GreyVulpine> Mas3212 - The bigger, faster the better?
#1162 [10:35] <GreyVulpine> If you tell us your requirements, or what you have access to, we can further narrow that down
#1163 [10:36] <Kitsume> sweet
#1164 [10:36] <Mas3212> like for just 2 or 3 people
#1165 [10:36] <Kitsume> thank u vulpine
#1166 [10:36] <GreyVulpine> Home machine? VPS solution? Co-location, dedicated?
#1167 [10:36] <GreyVulpine> mhmm
#1168 [10:36] <Mas3212> home computer
#1169 [10:36] <fogwraith> 1Gb of ram
#1170 [10:36] <fogwraith> 0.5mbit per player
#1171 [10:37] <GreyVulpine> ^
#1172 [10:37] <Kitsume> -_-
#1173 [10:37] <Mas3212> hat aout processer power?
#1174 [10:37] <Mas3212> what*
#1175 [10:37] <fogwraith> Doesn't really matter, but anything above 1ghz
#1176 [10:37] <Mas3212> ok
#1177 [10:37] <Mas3212> thanks :)
#1178 [10:37] <GreyVulpine> Really depends on what else you may be running on that machine as well
#1179 [10:38] <fogwraith> Minecraft client ;)
#1180 [10:38] * fogwraith hides
#1180 [10:38] * GreyVulpine baps fogwraith over the head
#1180 [10:38] <GreyVulpine> Those requirements are for JUST the server by itself
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#1183 [10:38] <GreyVulpine> They do not take into account, other processes that may be taking up the server's time
#1184 [10:39] <Mas3212> about only other thing that might be running when im useing server would be MC.Beta
#1185 [10:39] * GreyVulpine gaks
#1185 [10:39] <fogwraith> Well, you will get plenty of lag and HDD abuse from that
#1186 [10:39] * GreyVulpine hides behind fogwraith.
#1186 [10:40] * fogwraith loads the blunderbuss
#1186 [10:40] * Kitsume wonders if that is like yakking?
#1186 [10:41] <Kitsume> also guys, for what reason would a save just delete itself?
#1187 [10:41] <Mas3212> i guess that makes sence but it seams i olny laghorryble when i have someone else in server with me its like no lag at all if only im in the server
#1188 [10:41] <GreyVulpine> gak, gag, ack, other forms of onomonopia that suggest dismayal
#1189 [10:41] <Mas3212> the level.dat mightn ave been corepted
#1190 [10:41] <GreyVulpine> Kitsume - Power outage
#1191 [10:41] <GreyVulpine> computer suddenly shutting off
#1192 [10:42] <Mas3212> offen the world is still there
#1193 [10:42] <Kitsume> ?
#1194 [10:42] <Mas3212> you might want to go to the .minecraft folder
#1195 [10:42] <GreyVulpine> If the computer is shut off in the middle of having a world loaded, it can corrupt the level file
#1196 [10:43] <GreyVulpine> Sometimes, it can be fixed by loading it up in a map editor, and resaving it.
#1197 [10:43] <GreyVulpine> I can recommend MCedit, has saved quite a few people's worlds on here
#1198 [10:43] <Kitsume> ya only shows my current and the fiancee's
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#1200 [10:43] <GreyVulpine> brb, foods
#1201 [10:43] <Mas3212> and go to saves the world folder (world{1-5}) and if there is a level.dat.old try renameing it level.dat
#1202 [10:43] <fogwraith> Haha, the castlevania texture pack looks nice
#1203 [10:43] * fogwraith joins GreyVulpine in a different kitchen for the same purpose
#1203 [10:44] <Kitsume> cool
#1204 [10:44] <Kitsume> ok i think one more and ill stop bugging you guys
#1205 [10:44] <Mas3212> if you do that and it wors it will revert where you are and what you have to last time is saved
#1206 [10:44] <Mas3212> works*
#1207 [10:46] <Kitsume> I want to use a map renderererer any suggestions?
#1208 [10:46] <Kitsume> or viewer, whatever you want to call it
#1209 [10:47] <Mas3212> what OS?
#1210 [10:47] <Kitsume> vista
#1211 [10:47] <Mas3212> try cartographer
#1212 [10:48] <Kitsume> 3d not just overhead?
#1213 [10:48] <Mas3212> has that
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#1215 [10:49] <Mas3212> use the Oblique mode
#1216 [10:49] <Mas3212> or
#1217 [10:49] <Mas3212> Oblique Angled
#1218 [10:49] <lionelmoi> I just bought a premium access, is it normal it takes time to be activated ?
#1219 [10:50] <Kitsume> alright sweet
#1220 [10:51] <lionelmoi> anyone
#1221 [10:51] <lionelmoi> ?
#1222 [10:51] <SkiingPenguins> it can take some time
#1223 [10:52] <lionelmoi> :'(
#1224 [10:52] <lionelmoi> but I want to play noow !
#1225 [10:52] <Mas3212> quote from MC website "Q: My purchase doesn't go through, what do I do?
#1226 [10:52] <Mas3212> A: First, check if you paid by E-Check. Those can take up to a week and a half to clear (usually five days). If it's been longer than that, or you didn't pay by E-Check, send me an email at payment@mojang.com. Make sure to include the transaction id from the receipt you got from paypal, and what username you bought the game for. "
#1227 [10:53] <lionelmoi> I paid by credit card
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#1229 [10:54] <lionelmoi> I'll wait
#1230 [10:54] <Mas3212> Credit Card can take a while to process
#1231 [10:54] <SinZ> the only 2 payments are E-Check or paypal
#1232 [10:54] <SinZ> wait, nv
#1233 [10:54] <SinZ> nvm
#1234 [10:54] <SkiingPenguins> ...
#1235 [10:54] <SinZ> I'm thinking of a month ago =P
#1236 [10:55] <Mas3212> lol
#1237 [10:55] <lionelmoi> lol
#1238 [10:55] <lionelmoi> that's frustrating
#1239 [10:58] <Mas3212> -_- its gone quite again
#1240 [10:59] <Mas3212> O_O wow 3 am for me
#1241 [10:59] <SinZ> aussie aussie aussie
#1242 [10:59] <SinZ> oi oi oi
#1243 [11:00] <Mas3212> ?
#1244 [11:00] <Mas3212> you live in Australia too?
#1245 [11:01] <SkiingPenguins> austria or australia?
#1246 [11:03] <Mas3212> Australia
#1247 [11:03] <SinZ> ofc Mas3212
#1248 [11:03] <Mas3212> and i think this is getting offtopic
#1249 [11:06] <Mas3212> no one needs help???????
#1250 [11:07] <SinZ> i need help, but its mental, not minecraft =P
#1251 [11:07] <Mas3212> lol
#1252 [11:09] <fogwraith> Late night stuff eh ;P
#1253 [11:09] <fogwraith> 5:07 PM
#1254 [11:10] <fogwraith> Om nom nom, cheese schnitzels & french fries
#1255 [11:10] <Mas3212> oww i just cut my self
#1256 [11:11] <SinZ> EMO
#1257 [11:11] <Mas3212> well no i riped off a scap
#1258 [11:11] <Mas3212> not that sort of cut self
#1259 [11:12] <GreyVulpine> Yay foods
#1260 [11:12] <fogwraith> What did you cook? :P
#1261 [11:12] <GreyVulpine> ... "cook"?
#1262 [11:12] <fogwraith> ...
#1263 [11:13] <fogwraith> Made, had made for you?
#1264 [11:13] <GreyVulpine> Fast food. cheeekin
#1265 [11:13] <lionelmoi> is http://www.minecraft.net/ down for you ?
#1266 [11:13] <GreyVulpine> !isdown minecraft.net
#1267 [11:13] <crickets> GreyVulpine: It's not just you! http://minecraft.net looks down from here.
#1268 [11:13] <fogwraith> Cheaty stuff, had to make my own ;/
#1269 [11:14] <lionelmoi> up again
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#1271 [11:14] <Mas3212> isnt down for me
#1272 [11:15] <vvenaya> minecraft has been renamed to downCraft
#1273 [11:16] <fogwraith> Darn good schnitzels, these
#1274 [11:16] <Cookie> Hi guys, i got a question. The General Problem: My minecraft kills my display-driver and java about every 10 minutes of playing. Sometimes faster, sometimes slower. I got a ATI graphic card, 64-bit win7 ops, 64-bit version of Java and no clue :D
#1275 [11:16] <Mas3212> minecraft.net is fine for me im logged on
#1276 [11:17] <Cookie> would be nice, if any1 could throw in a guess whats wrong :(
#1277 [11:17] <Mas3212> At Cookie It could be your RAM
#1278 [11:17] <fogwraith> fogwraith: your schnitzels are fabolous
#1279 [11:17] <Cookie> the RAM is new.
#1280 [11:17] <vvenaya> http://www.minecraft.net/servers.jsp is slow as hell
#1281 [11:17] <fogwraith> why thank you, fogwraith, glad someone liked them
#1282 [11:18] <vvenaya> or not connecting
#1283 [11:18] <Mas3212> i meanit coud be you dont have enough ram
#1284 [11:18] <Cookie> 6gb? should be ok
#1285 [11:18] <Mas3212> um Yea
#1286 [11:18] <Mas3212> it runs mostley fine with my 1Gb
#1287 [11:18] <vvenaya> i once had a 64kB computer
#1288 [11:18] <vvenaya> those were the days
#1289 [11:19] <Cookie> u just cant do video-manipulation with 64kb ;)
#1290 [11:19] <Cookie> not today
#1291 [11:19] <vvenaya> a very small video (postal stamp size)
#1292 [11:20] <Cookie> sounds awful. Maybe for the new Ipod mini?
#1293 [11:20] <Cookie> any other guess? I want to play :((
#1294 [11:20] <Cookie> :'-(
#1295 [11:21] <xales> Cookie: Do you have any antivirus or 'computer security' software running?
#1296 [11:21] <Cookie> yes
#1297 [11:21] <Cookie> but this didnt do a thing before
#1298 [11:22] <Cookie> and it seems to be the graphic-driver /java. Cause the errormessage
#1299 [11:22] <xales> What error do you get?
#1300 [11:22] <xales> that would be much more helpful
#1301 [11:22] <Cookie> getting it
#1302 [11:22] <Cookie> wait a minute
#1303 [11:22] <Cookie> pls :)
#1304 [11:28] <Cookie> wow, didnt crash till now, seems like i got (un)lucky
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#1307 [11:31] <xahz2011> hello, anyone?
#1308 [11:31] <GreyVulpine> 'lo gov'na
#1309 [11:31] <xahz2011> i figure i should ask this here and not the other room >_>
#1310 [11:32] <xahz2011> i want to buy and play but it says i might have to wait up to week and half, and refunds only work up to a week.....how does that work?
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#1312 [11:33] <GreyVulpine> Basically, you have a week from when you purchase the game, to request a refund. If it doesn't work, or your computer can't support it, or whatever else you might experience, you're given a week.
#1313 [11:34] <GreyVulpine> Many people have experienced a slowdown in crediting their account with premium status after purchase, it usually averages a few hours, but can sometimes be more for payments to be processed and go through mojang's systems.
#1314 [11:35] <vvenaya> Mojang's systems are all on the same server, A commodore 64
#1315 [11:35] <Diablothein> ^
#1316 [11:35] <Diablothein> Best. Computer. Ever.
#1317 [11:35] <xahz2011> well I have bought addons for fallout 3 before so I know I can use paypal but im just worried my cash is going to be lost in a ddos or something >_> from all people been saying on the other room
#1318 [11:35] <GreyVulpine> Well, they're getting it from amazon's cloud.
#1319 [11:36] <GreyVulpine> xahz2011 - Those concerns are unfounded.
#1320 [11:36] <xahz2011> i reckon i'll get this sorted tonight so i will keep posted =)
#1321 [11:36] <Diablothein> xahz2011, #minecraft ? They're messing with you.
#1322 [11:36] * GreyVulpine nods
#1322 [11:36] <xahz2011> I just don't trust my vista, or hackers >_>
#1323 [11:36] <xahz2011> but yus your probs right
#1324 [11:36] <Diablothein> Oh, well THAT might be a problem.
#1325 [11:36] <SinZ> xahz2911, why don't you trust me
#1326 [11:37] <Cookie> Now my minecraft crashed again.
#1327 [11:37] <vvenaya> Throw away all your CC's close accounts, and go live in a cave somewhere
#1328 [11:38] <xahz2011> vista is always a problem lol.
#1329 [11:38] <Mas3212> Wind 7 is worse
#1330 [11:38] <Cookie> "Java (TM) Platform SE binary Java (TM) Platform SE binary is not responding"
#1331 [11:38] <fogwraith> People still use Vista?
#1332 [11:38] <Cookie> for the errormessage from above
#1333 [11:38] <lukegb> Mas3212: y...no.
#1334 [11:38] <fogwraith> It's like ... Windows ME
#1335 [11:39] <xahz2011> I would go back to xp or use a unix but this peice of expetive cost alot of dollar...damn you microsoft
#1336 [11:39] <xahz2011> *expletive...
#1337 [11:39] <Diablothein> Fog, whatcha got against WinME?
#1338 [11:39] <fogwraith> Hate. From every pore and fibre of my being
#1339 [11:39] <vvenaya> WinME is pure evil
#1340 [11:40] <Diablothein> vvenaya, no, it's not, it just needs a wee bit of modding.
#1341 [11:40] <Mas3212> xahz2011: i would too butschool doesnt like students messing with there laptops
#1342 [11:40] <fogwraith> If a "wee bit of modding" means, toss it the shit out, pour gasoline over it and lighting it on fire, then sure ;P
#1343 [11:40] <vvenaya> yea
#1344 [11:40] <vvenaya> exactly
#1345 [11:40] <Diablothein> Mas3212, Lol, schoolbook, you're being monitored.
#1346 [11:40] <xahz2011> lol, at least pc's arn't just dos anymore >_>
#1347 [11:41] <vvenaya> Dos 6.0
#1348 [11:41] <fogwraith> DOS was fine
#1349 [11:41] <vvenaya> oh those were the days
#1350 [11:41] <xahz2011> though that was kinda fun back in the day
#1351 [11:41] <Mas3212> nah i removed that peice of software
#1352 [11:42] <Mas3212> and you know whats funny about my school
#1353 [11:42] <Diablothein> Mas3212, So you think.
#1354 [11:42] <vvenaya> LDos (Tandy 1979)
#1355 [11:42] <Mas3212> studens cause do anythhing on the student network drive
#1356 [11:42] <Mas3212> cant do anything*
#1357 [11:43] <xahz2011> there are technically other ways, like using ASM but highly doubtful your schoolkids gunna know that
#1358 [11:43] <vvenaya> classic already 1 hour down
#1359 [11:43] <Diablothein> oh gawd, brb, my back.
#1360 [11:44] <xahz2011> uh, I have a support question >_> why is the paypal page in uh, german? or something, lol
#1361 [11:44] <Mas3212> O_O
#1362 [11:45] <xahz2011> i no jk I was checking it out to see wut info's i need and, its german
#1363 [11:45] <xahz2011> or whatever svenkska is
#1364 [11:46] <Mas3212> i think that ight be russan
#1365 [11:46] <xahz2011> lol, i found the button to fix >_>
#1366 [11:46] <xahz2011> back in a bit, thanks for your help guys
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#1368 [11:48] <Mas3212> and i gtg too my batterys going dead Bye All and thanks for the Help
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#1370 [11:50] <murf> I've been browsing the getsatisfaction site but haven't managed to find anyone with the same problem as me - the game runs perfectly for about 10 minutes, then the graphics freeze. I can switch between full-screen and windowed and play for another 5-10 minutes, then it freezes again and I have to restart
#1371 [11:51] <murf> anyone heard of that type of issue before?
#1372 [11:51] <GreyVulpine> Can't say I've heard of that
#1373 [11:51] <fogwraith> RAM?
#1374 [11:51] <murf> 4 GB on win7
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#1376 [11:52] <fogwraith> Graphics card and drivers from where?
#1377 [11:52] <murf> nvidia, got the latest a couple days ago
#1378 [11:52] <fogwraith> Downloaded client in singleplayer?
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#1380 [11:53] <Lampshade> Anyone?
#1381 [11:53] <xales> Lampshade: ?
#1382 [11:53] <fogwraith> No!
#1383 [11:53] <GreyVulpine> Noone.
#1384 [11:53] <Lampshade> I need help
#1385 [11:53] <xales> With...?
#1386 [11:53] <murf> I'm playing SMP with a 2-person server running on my machine so i can play with my wife
#1387 [11:53] <Lampshade> I can't get on the server list?
#1388 [11:53] <GreyVulpine> Classic's down
#1389 [11:53] <Lampshade> With Wom or Browser
#1390 [11:53] <GreyVulpine> Classic's down.
#1391 [11:53] * fogwraith scratches ye olde beard
#1391 [11:53] <Lampshade> Oh, then how are other's connecting?
#1392 [11:53] <xales> They aren't playing Classic
#1393 [11:54] <Diablothein> Beta
#1394 [11:54] <Lampshade> But they are on a classic server
#1395 [11:54] <Lampshade> I logged in through a beta account
#1396 [11:54] <fogwraith> Well, I say... I'm stumped... network cards on the computers? Not that it should matter in your case, murf
#1397 [11:54] <Lampshade> same thing
#1398 [11:55] <Lampshade> Any ideas as to why it's not working?
#1399 [11:55] <xales> You have to log into Beta with the beta account
#1400 [11:55] <xales> Classic is down
#1401 [11:55] <Lampshade> It's a classic creative server
#1402 [11:55] <Lampshade> And others are on it
#1403 [11:56] <murf> hmm, network cards? they're both laptops with on-board network cards
#1404 [11:56] <Lampshade> Explain how that's possible?
#1405 [11:56] <Lampshade> I'll update my network cards
#1406 [11:56] <Diablothein> Lampshade, screenshot.
#1407 [11:56] <Lampshade> I doubt it'll fix the problem
#1408 [11:56] <GreyVulpine> They haven't left the server since the website's server page went down?
#1409 [11:56] <Lampshade> Ok
#1410 [11:56] <Lampshade> They have
#1411 [11:56] <Lampshade> And re-connected
#1412 [11:57] <GreyVulpine> Well, I'm telling you, classic's unreachable for many people, including myself
#1413 [11:57] <Lampshade> So it's not my problem then?
#1414 [11:57] <Lampshade> It's just Minecraft?
#1415 [11:57] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#1416 [11:57] <Lampshade> Makes me much better I thought I'd be without Minecraft for awhile
#1417 [11:57] <fogwraith> Make / brand, murf?
#1418 [11:58] <murf> Mine's a pretty new toshiba satellite, my wife's isn't having the problem but is much older
#1419 [11:58] <Lampshade> http://awesomescreenshot.com/0d26nmx30
#1420 [11:58] <Lampshade> That's the screenshot
#1421 [11:58] <murf> satellite a660
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#1423 [11:59] <Lampshade> Thanks for the help
#1424 [11:59] <murf> it has on-board intel graphics in addition to the nvidia geforce gt 330M
#1425 [11:59] <Lampshade> I don't see how you People can handle the stupid problems you must get all the time
#1426 [11:59] <Lampshade> Any idea on how long it's going to be?
#1427 [11:59] <GreyVulpine> No ETA on that Lampshade
#1428 [11:59] <Lampshade> Hmm
#1429 [11:59] <Lampshade> Damn
#1430 [12:00] <Lampshade> What do you think on how long it might be?
#1431 [12:00] <TheReddeH> lo my fellow eejits
#1432 [12:00] <Lampshade> Like weeks days?
#1433 [12:00] <Lampshade> Or Months -_-
#1434 [12:00] <GreyVulpine> Classic's been having problems since the server migration last week
#1435 [12:00] <GreyVulpine> So, I can't really tell you.
#1436 [12:00] <Lampshade> I know that Notch is on a 2 week vacation
#1437 [12:00] <Lampshade> Alright
#1438 [12:00] <Lampshade> Thanks
#1439 [12:01] <Lampshade> I'll just go back to hating the people who can connect
#1440 [12:01] <Lampshade> Also
#1441 [12:01] <Lampshade> I'd post an explanation to the problem on the forum
#1442 [12:02] <Lampshade> Theres going to be alot of post's about it, Might as well give the reason
#1443 [12:03] <GreyVulpine> Bleh
#1444 [12:03] * GreyVulpine stays away from the forums
#1444 [12:04] <xahz2011> guys I have just payed how do I link to my account?
#1445 [12:05] <GreyVulpine> link..?
#1446 [12:05] <xales> you don't
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#1448 [12:05] <xales> the account you were logged in with becomes premium
#1449 [12:05] <GreyVulpine> It should be automatic once the payment has been processed
#1450 [12:05] <GreyVulpine> !paid xahz2011
#1451 [12:05] <xahz2011> kl kl, well i got the transaction ID if there any issues
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#1453 [12:07] <megadud> how deep does water have to be for octopi to appear? Is there a light requirement?
#1454 [12:07] <xahz2011> !paid xahz_2011
#1455 [12:07] <xahz2011> =)
#1456 [12:07] <GreyVulpine> Then you're all set
#1457 [12:07] <GreyVulpine> Log in with the beta client
#1458 [12:07] <xahz2011> thank you all for your help
#1459 [12:08] <megadud> have fun xahz!
#1460 [12:08] <murf> weird, how does the bot know? Is it by IP address?
#1461 [12:09] <murf> !paid murf
#1462 [12:09] <GreyVulpine> megadud - http://lmmcwtfy.com/?q=squid
#1463 [12:09] <megadud> thanks
#1464 [12:09] <xales> It looks up your account, murf
#1465 [12:09] <xahz2011> i assume it checks the server, irc bots are way clever
#1466 [12:10] <murf> impressive :o
#1467 [12:10] <Kealper> i totally read megadud's name as megamud at first
#1468 [12:11] <xales> Kealper
#1469 [12:11] <xales> compare to AutoIt https://github.com/xales/ascemox/blob/master/net.c
#1470 [12:12] <Kealper> :O
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#1472 [12:12] <Kealper> did you write that? lol
#1473 [12:13] <xahz2011> yay downloading updates, had to open ze firewall but yay its alive
#1474 [12:13] <xales> Indeed
#1475 [12:13] <Kealper> nice lol
#1476 [12:14] <xales> that is what you tested for me earlier
#1477 [12:14] <xales> :)
#1478 [12:14] <Kealper> oh lol
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#1480 [12:15] <Kealper> that has ipv6 support?
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#1482 [12:17] <Kealper> i wish autoit had ipv6 support :/
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#1484 [12:21] <Diablothein> Kealpybby! less than three
#1485 [12:22] <GreyVulpine> Awww, how kyooote. Kealpy's got an admirer.
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#1488 [12:25] <xales> Kealper: Or threading!
#1489 [12:26] <Kealper> or that
#1490 [12:26] <Kealper> or more OO-styled features like classes
#1491 [12:27] <xales> Kealper: Look how clean the main function is because of threading :)
#1492 [12:27] <xales> https://github.com/xales/ascemox/blob/master/main.c
#1493 [12:28] <Kealper> there have been so many times when i needed a variable that had to be worked with in like 2-3 different (similar) functions...it would have been nice to just throw those in a class of sorts and do a static locally declared variable that can only be modified in that class....but instead i've got to globally declare it -.-
#1494 [12:28] <Kealper> O.o
#1495 [12:28] <GreyVulpine> ...
#1496 [12:28] <GreyVulpine> Ew
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#1498 [12:29] <vvenaya> Globals R bad mm'kay
#1499 [12:29] <Kealper> main.c is tiny lol
#1500 [12:29] <Kealper> vvenaya: that highly depends on the language
#1501 [12:30] <xales> yup, the *_spawn creates the thread
#1502 [12:30] <xales> net_spawn creates the server thread, client_spawn creates the client handler, and conio_spawn creates the thread that handles stdin
#1503 [12:31] <Kealper> impressive lol
#1504 [12:31] <xales> Threading is actually really easy, I'm surprised AutoIt doesn't have any support for it
#1505 [12:32] <xales> I don't know how much you know about threading, but a 'join' blocks the current thread until another is finished
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#1507 [12:34] <Kealper> i guess according to the autoit devs, the way v3 is written, it would be a nightmare adding threading support to it, so they said they will leave that out for v3 and have it in v4
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#1509 [12:35] <xales> any idea when v4 will be around?
#1510 [12:38] <Diablothein> Guys, seriously, this is ridiculous, Notch and Co. needs to revert to the old servers if this crap keeps up.
#1511 [12:38] <xales> They are switching to a different cloud provider, afaik
#1512 [12:38] <GreyVulpine> Hah, then nobody can play
#1513 [12:41] <Kealper> ok back
#1514 [12:41] <Kealper> no idea when v4 will roll around, but i'd love it when it does
#1515 [12:42] <Kealper> the devs said v4 will take more aim at speed, adding full OO support, threading, etc
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#1517 [12:50] <woder> is creative down again?
#1518 [12:50] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#1519 [12:50] <woder> how nice....
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#1522 [12:59] <xales> I wonder two things
#1523 [12:59] <xales> A: why people don't realize their nick is in use and..change it
#1524 [12:59] <xales> and B: why everyone thinks Notch is the only one who works on Minecraft, and is responsible for everythign
#1525 [12:59] <xales> and that Notch being on vacation means nothing would get done
#1526 [13:00] <Kealper> answer for A: most people don't know and don't care what irc is, and never even notice that their nick changes, and if they did, they don't bother figuring out how to change it
#1527 [13:00] <Kealper> answer for B: people are ignorant
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#1534 [13:04] <Mathuin> Do birch leaves look like normal leaves?
#1535 [13:04] <xales> Color difference, I think
#1536 [13:04] <Kealper> they are a bit more blueish
#1537 [13:04] <Kealper> so it's more of a forrest green instead of leaf green
#1538 [13:04] <Mathuin> Okay, so if I'm color-blind I'm less likely to notice. Check. :-)
#1539 [13:05] <xMasterboyx> Can someone connect to multiplayer server (not beta) ?
#1540 [13:05] <xales> No, they aren't working right now
#1541 [13:05] <Kealper> Mathuin: probably, it's still green lol
#1542 [13:05] <xMasterboyx> and i thought my server doesn´t work :D
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#1545 [13:10] <Ice3ider4> hey
#1546 [13:10] <Ice3ider4> classic server down?
#1547 [13:10] <GreyVulpine> Indeed
#1548 [13:11] <Ice3ider4> ??????
#1549 [13:11] <Ice3ider4> i will play :D
#1550 [13:11] <Kealper> .set motd Welcome! Classic servers are not functioning correctly right now, please be patient!
#1551 [13:12] <xales> did that overwrite the old one, Kealper?
#1552 [13:12] <Kealper> sadly
#1553 [13:12] <xales> !motd
#1554 [13:12] <xales> ...fail?
#1555 [13:12] <Kealper> that is not going through that module anymore :/
#1556 [13:12] <xales> .motd
#1557 [13:12] <xales> ._.
#1558 [13:12] <Kealper> lol
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#1561 [13:13] <xales> gah
#1562 [13:13] <xales> I liked the old one better :(
#1563 [13:13] <xales> much better
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#1565 [13:13] <Kealper> so you're saying i need to make that one pink text with black background, too? lol
#1566 [13:14] <xales> no, but it should include the same information
#1567 [13:14] * Kealper sighs
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#1569 [13:17] <Kealper> hmm.....
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#1571 [13:18] <Kealper> serverpronto does not let everyone do custom rdns stuff....i have to ask them to enable it
#1572 [13:18] <xales> lolwut
#1573 [13:18] <xales> serverpronto
#1574 [13:19] <xales> I've heard really bad things about them
#1575 [13:19] <Kealper> oh probably
#1576 [13:19] <Kealper> like the bad thing of this server i'm on....is in friggin Panama....
#1577 [13:19] <xales> lol
#1578 [13:19] <Kealper> not the city in the us...the country
#1579 [13:19] <xales> who has a server with them?
#1580 [13:20] <Kealper> it's my brother's server, but it's the one that i use for stuff like irssi
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#1582 [13:21] <Tanka> When will the classic servers be working properly again?
#1583 [13:21] <Kealper> not sure :/
#1584 [13:22] <Tanka> :(
#1585 [13:22] <Kealper> but it's probably safe to assume that it will not be too long
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#1590 [13:41] <vvenaya> Classic servers wont come online anymore today
#1591 [13:41] <vvenaya> i feel it in my bones
#1592 [13:41] <Kealper> probably not...it's the weekend
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#1596 [13:47] <onix> hello
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#1600 [13:58] <Mathuin> I don't know what I did, but my code is way more efficient now.
#1601 [13:58] <Mathuin> Takes about five seconds to process a 256x256 tile.
#1602 [13:58] <Kealper> O.o
#1603 [13:58] <Kealper> tile for what/
#1604 [13:59] <Mathuin> land cover and elevation.
#1605 [13:59] <Mathuin> land cover determines whether I place a block of sand or grass or stone or whatever.
#1606 [13:59] <Mathuin> elevation determines how high the ground is at that particular point.
#1607 [14:00] <Kealper> but what is all that for?
#1608 [14:00] <Mathuin> Generating Minecraft worlds based on real life data.
#1609 [14:00] <Mathuin> Block Island, RI, at 1:6 scale, is 48 of those tiles.
#1610 [14:00] <Kealper> O.o lol
#1611 [14:00] <SkiingPenguins> o_o
#1612 [14:01] <Mathuin> I've been working on this for two weeks, posting to the forums.
#1613 [14:01] <Kealper> what kind of real life data? like i could recreate the city that i live in?
#1614 [14:01] <Kealper> and i don't check the forums :/
#1615 [14:02] <Mathuin> Yes, that kind of real life data, except I don't do buildings.
#1616 [14:02] <Mathuin> Or roads.
#1617 [14:02] <Mathuin> I'm just starting. :-P
#1618 [14:02] <Kealper> yeah, i figured no buildings, but the terrain lol
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#1620 [14:08] <CnapKu> hey
#1621 [14:08] <Kealper> hi
#1622 [14:08] <CnapKu> what's going on with the servers
#1623 [14:08] <CnapKu> ?
#1624 [14:08] <Kealper> classic servers?
#1625 [14:08] <CnapKu> yep
#1626 [14:09] <Kealper> they are messing up right now, but Mojang knows and are trying to fix it :/
#1627 [14:09] <vvenaya> Mojang knows jack
#1628 [14:09] <Mathuin> Kealper: I am generating the world again, this time with statistics. After that, I'll make a C10T map and take a snapshot for you.
#1629 [14:09] <Mathuin> vvenaya: I'm Jack. Mojang doesn't know me. :-P
#1630 [14:09] <vvenaya> lol
#1631 [14:09] <Kealper> vvenaya: this is #MineCraftHelp not #HateOnMojang
#1632 [14:10] <Kealper> Mathuin: awesome lol
#1633 [14:10] <vvenaya> true. i am not a fanboy like some of you
#1634 [14:11] <Kealper> i never said anyone was, but i would prefer that those sorts of comments would stay out of this channel, as it refects badly on the community as a whole
#1635 [14:13] <Mathuin> This channel, as I understand it, is supposed to be one of those supportive everyone's-trying-to-help-everyone-else-enjoy-Minecraft channels.
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#1637 [14:14] <Kealper> that'd be correct
#1638 [14:15] <Kealper> which is why comments like "Mojang sucks" or "Notch sucks" etc... are not helpful at all, and frowned upon
#1639 [14:15] <Mathuin> Now, creating #minecraftsucks and using that as a safe place to rant would be smart.
#1640 [14:15] <Kealper> there is #mcchatter for that :P
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#1642 [14:15] <vvenaya> minecraft does not suck
#1643 [14:16] <vvenaya> minecraft admins do
#1644 [14:16] <EmpiresBane> :O
#1645 [14:16] <vvenaya> joining minecraftAdminsSuck
#1646 [14:16] <Kealper> good for you
#1647 [14:16] <vvenaya> ah screw it
#1648 [14:17] <Mathuin> I do think that Mojang's choices with regard to multiplayer server design are the root cause of many of the issues people have here.
#1649 [14:17] <Mathuin> I'm hoping they work out those bugs.
#1650 [14:17] <EmpiresBane> well, at least the client connects
#1651 [14:17] <vvenaya> Singlepoint of failure is always a bad thing
#1652 [14:18] <Kealper> vvenaya: Mojang expaned too fast for their britches, the last week or so they have been setting up far better things behind the scenes
#1653 [14:18] <Kealper> sadly...
#1654 [14:18] <Mathuin> Were it me (and I'm obviously not of the calibre of Mojang here), I'd have designed single-player and multi-player the same -- having single-player be a "server for one".
#1655 [14:19] <vvenaya> oh lol i was connected for 5 minutes
#1656 [14:19] <vvenaya> dang
#1657 [14:19] <Kealper> after switching to Amazon for their cloud stuff...it turns out it was still too much traffic, and screwed the load balencer
#1658 [14:19] <Kealper> so right now as i understand, they are looking in to a different cloud host
#1659 [14:19] <vvenaya> i dont understand the amount of traffic being passed to them. is it not just authentification ?
#1660 [14:19] <Kealper> no
#1661 [14:20] <Kealper> all texture downloads (skins, capes) go through the site as well
#1662 [14:20] <vvenaya> authentification and dl of skins
#1663 [14:20] <Kealper> and when you've got 3 million registered users, that tends to create a massive load on the servers
#1664 [14:20] <SkiingPenguins> they should use local caching of skins
#1665 [14:21] <Mathuin> Wait, EC2 isn't robust enough for them?
#1666 [14:21] <GreyVulpine> Nope
#1667 [14:21] <EmpiresBane> SkiingPenguins, it would still have to check the skins
#1668 [14:21] <Mathuin> I find that really hard to believe.
#1669 [14:21] <GreyVulpine> Mathuin - They're moving to another service solution
#1670 [14:21] <GreyVulpine> The amount of requests they got, screwed even amazon's load balancer
#1671 [14:21] <CnapKu> vvenaya I don't know what are you trying to prove? That minecraft sucks? Or the owners? Or the admins? Or yout life?
#1672 [14:22] <SkiingPenguins> what else is there to use? O_o
#1673 [14:22] <Kealper> there are other solutions
#1674 [14:22] <vvenaya> i only wish to play my favorite game thats all. and the last 7 days are just hell
#1675 [14:22] <Mathuin> GreyVulpine: yeah, but the guys I used to work with who went to Amazon, they're the type that would have taken that as a challenge.
#1676 [14:24] <Kealper> vvenaya: this sort of stuff just comes with the territory of having that much traffic/interest in such a short timespan
#1677 [14:25] <Mathuin> God, when this took two hours, I'd go do something else. Now that it takes four minutes, I stare at it for the entire four minutes.
#1678 [14:25] <EmpiresBane> hm... maybe changing some of these OpenGL settings might help
#1679 [14:25] <EmpiresBane> Mathuin, downloads?
#1680 [14:26] <Mathuin> No, world generation.
#1681 [14:26] <EmpiresBane> oh
#1682 [14:26] <Mathuin> I think I need to get something to eat.
#1683 [14:27] <Mathuin> The worst part is, the thing I'm tuning comes at the *end* of the four minutes.
#1684 [14:28] <EmpiresBane> Minecraft uses OpenGL, correct?
#1685 [14:28] <Kealper> xD
#1686 [14:28] <Kealper> yes
#1687 [14:28] <Kealper> opengl 1.1 or something low like that
#1688 [14:29] <EmpiresBane> which is why you get bugs with multiple layers of transparency
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#1690 [14:29] <bugweiser> i am getting annoyed with minecraft D:
#1691 [14:29] <SkiingPenguins> you need help or something?
#1692 [14:29] <bugweiser> yes D:
#1693 [14:30] <SkiingPenguins> with..?
#1694 [14:30] <GreyVulpine> http://getsatisfaction.com/mojang/topics/minecraft_net_down_ish - Old topic, but illustrates what moll's problems are with amazon's cloud
#1695 [14:30] <bugweiser> i bought the game today
#1696 [14:30] <GreyVulpine> 7 days ago - "Last night (UTC-time) the Amazon load balancer went down due to traffic spikes. There was nothing we could do but call Amazon and sob, which fixed the issue. I think the downtime was around 1,5h. "
#1697 [14:30] <bugweiser> and i get an error message each time i try to play it
#1698 [14:30] <bugweiser> the Bad video card drivers!
#1699 [14:30] <bugweiser> erro
#1700 [14:30] <GreyVulpine> "Sadly this cloud business can only work as a temporary solution for us. We're currently conducting talks with hosting providers for a more premium hosting plan where we don't have to worry about maintaining the actual hardware ourselves (albeit virtual)."
#1701 [14:30] <bugweiser> *error
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#1703 [14:30] <GreyVulpine> bugweiser - Update drivers then?
#1704 [14:30] <Kealper> did you install the latest video card drivers?
#1705 [14:31] <bugweiser> i don't know how to do any of that stuff
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#1707 [14:31] <bugweiser> i have windows vista :L
#1708 [14:32] <GreyVulpine> Well then, it's not going to go away by itself... and it certainly isn't minecraft or mojang's fault
#1709 [14:32] <bugweiser> i just wanna play the game D:
#1710 [14:32] <GreyVulpine> Then update your video drivers
#1711 [14:32] <bugweiser> how do i do it though?
#1712 [14:32] <SkiingPenguins> what type do you have?
#1713 [14:32] <GreyVulpine> Do you know what video card you have?
#1714 [14:32] <SkiingPenguins> brand.. model..
#1715 [14:33] <bugweiser> i don't know anything about the brand or the moder or what type? i am just 14
#1716 [14:33] <GreyVulpine> I'll take that as a no
#1717 [14:33] <GreyVulpine> Easiest way for you to help us, help you...
#1718 [14:33] <GreyVulpine> Go to your start menu, type in the search bar: dxdiag
#1719 [14:33] <bugweiser> okay
#1720 [14:33] <GreyVulpine> When dxdiag opens, press the "save all information" button in the lower right
#1721 [14:34] <GreyVulpine> Save it as a text file on the desktop.
#1722 [14:34] <bugweiser> okay,
#1723 [14:34] <GreyVulpine> Open up the text file, copy everything.. and I mean EVERYTHING in there.
#1724 [14:34] <GreyVulpine> go to www.pastebin.com
#1725 [14:34] <bugweiser> yes,
#1726 [14:34] <GreyVulpine> paste it there
#1727 [14:34] <GreyVulpine> Give us URL
#1728 [14:34] <bugweiser> okay
#1729 [14:36] <EmpiresBane> hm... think we could get AuBot to repeat those instructions?
#1730 [14:36] <Mathuin> Okay! This world has 1775 trees. 676 regular, 614 redwood, 0 birch (huh) and 425 cactuses.
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#1732 [14:36] <Kealper> EmpiresBane: it's possible
#1733 [14:36] <SkiingPenguins> i think id be helpful
#1734 [14:36] <GreyVulpine> Don't see why not
#1735 [14:37] <SkiingPenguins> such as !drivers ?
#1736 [14:37] <GreyVulpine> But those instructions only work on windows boxes
#1737 [14:37] <SkiingPenguins> well if you're pro enough to use linux you shouldnt need them eh?
#1738 [14:37] <EmpiresBane> we can just ask if they're using windows
#1739 [14:37] * GreyVulpine laughs
#1739 [14:37] <Kealper> SkiingPenguins: you'd be surprized who uses linux these days -.-
#1740 [14:37] <GreyVulpine> You haven't come across the people that don't use linux at all
#1741 [14:37] <SkiingPenguins> :(
#1742 [14:37] <GreyVulpine> try and use linux on a VPS solution they bought
#1743 [14:38] <GreyVulpine> And come crying here for help
#1744 [14:38] <EmpiresBane> im using ubuntu, had know idea how to change my drivers, yesterday
#1745 [14:38] <Mathuin> SkiingPenguins: and folks who have never used IRC don't even know about pastebin etc.
#1746 [14:38] <GreyVulpine> Hell, they didn't even know how to "cd" or "ls"
#1747 [14:38] <GreyVulpine> or how to install java
#1748 [14:38] <SkiingPenguins> bugweiser hows it going?
#1749 [14:38] <bugweiser> just about to post the link (:
#1750 [14:38] <bugweiser> http://pastebin.com/GFpahbCE
#1751 [14:39] <SkiingPenguins> "Radeon X1300" :D
#1752 [14:39] <GreyVulpine> Radeon X1300 Series
#1753 [14:39] <GreyVulpine> With drivers from '06
#1754 [14:39] <bugweiser> okay
#1755 [14:39] <GreyVulpine> http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/index.aspx
#1756 [14:39] <Kealper> dang, ninja'd
#1757 [14:39] <GreyVulpine> Go there, use wizard there to find out the latest drivers
#1758 [14:39] <bugweiser> okay thanks
#1759 [14:40] <EmpiresBane> i'm seriously considering going back to XP
#1760 [14:40] <EmpiresBane> Ubuntu doesn't seem to run very well on this machine
#1761 [14:40] <Kealper> ubuntu is not the greatest when it comes to the linux experience :/
#1762 [14:40] <SkiingPenguins> go to win7
#1763 [14:40] <Kealper> ubuntu does not really run well at all, it's quite bloated :/
#1764 [14:40] <EmpiresBane> SkiingPenguins, this thing can't handle that
#1765 [14:40] <SkiingPenguins> wow
#1766 [14:40] <bugweiser> so sorry for asking this but what type of system do i have:
#1767 [14:40] <EmpiresBane> it's old
#1768 [14:40] <GreyVulpine> Desktop
#1769 [14:40] <bugweiser> ty
#1770 [14:41] <Kealper> bugweiser: it's not too bad
#1771 [14:41] <EmpiresBane> hrm...
#1772 [14:41] <EmpiresBane> i can't even remember when we got it
#1773 [14:41] <Kealper> O.o lol
#1774 [14:41] <EmpiresBane> but i had a fresh install of XP on it a bit ago, and it was running great
#1775 [14:42] <EmpiresBane> oh... a p4...
#1776 [14:42] <Mathuin> My trees are very ... ugly.
#1777 [14:42] <bugweiser> is it the radeon X series?
#1778 [14:42] * Kealper shudders
#1778 [14:42] <Kealper> bugweiser: it is a Radeon X1300
#1779 [14:42] <bugweiser> kay
#1780 [14:43] <bugweiser> so for the first one i should have, desktop ghrapicsa?
#1781 [14:43] <bugweiser> *graphics
#1782 [14:43] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#1783 [14:43] <EmpiresBane> hm... that means this thing is at least 9 years old, maybe 11
#1784 [14:43] <EmpiresBane> *10
#1785 [14:43] <Kealper> EmpiresBane: wut
#1786 [14:44] <SkiingPenguins> uh.
#1787 [14:44] <bugweiser> okay it doesn't come up with Radeon X1300 in the next dropdown list,
#1788 [14:44] <Kealper> that's got to be like a 1.4-1.5ghz p4 then lol
#1789 [14:44] <EmpiresBane> i'm not sure...
#1790 [14:44] <GreyVulpine> bugweiser - Radeon X series
#1791 [14:44] <GreyVulpine> then
#1792 [14:44] <EmpiresBane> wait a sec, i just remembered i still got the box
#1793 [14:44] <GreyVulpine> Radeon X1x
#1794 [14:44] <bugweiser> k
#1795 [14:44] <EmpiresBane> brb
#1796 [14:44] <Kealper> ninja'd again!
#1797 [14:44] <Mathuin> Kealper: http://i.imgur.com/SkEAX.png -- see? Ugly trees!
#1798 [14:45] <Kealper> lol
#1799 [14:45] <EmpiresBane> stupid case sticker
#1800 [14:45] <Kealper> Mathuin: was that generated from a real place?
#1801 [14:45] <EmpiresBane> i just remembered we changed the motherboard
#1802 [14:46] <EmpiresBane> maybe i should actually find out what'sin this thing instead of trying to remember
#1803 [14:46] <SkiingPenguins> that may be helpful
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#1805 [14:46] <Mathuin> Kealper: yes.
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#1807 [14:46] <EmpiresBane> no idea how to do that with this OS, though
#1808 [14:46] <Kealper> Mathuin: :O place? i want to see how well it stacks up to the original lol
#1809 [14:47] <EmpiresBane> ah
#1810 [14:47] <Mathuin> Kealper: Block Island, RI.
#1811 [14:47] <Kealper> how appropriate of a name lol
#1812 [14:47] <Mathuin> That's the southern half of the island. North is to the upper-right.
#1813 [14:47] <EmpiresBane> i suppose SysInfo would be a good idea
#1814 [14:47] <bugweiser> Sorry i was Brbing
#1815 [14:48] <bugweiser> what is it radeonX1x or Radeon X series?
#1816 [14:48] <Kealper> ok
#1817 [14:48] <Mathuin> What do you think?
#1818 [14:48] <bugweiser> and do you think i'l be plaing minecraft by the end of the night? :/
#1819 [14:48] <Kealper> bugweiser: the first box should say Desktop Graphics
#1820 [14:48] <bugweiser> yes
#1821 [14:48] <GreyVulpine> Pick Radeon X series for the 2nd box
#1822 [14:48] <bugweiser> thanks
#1823 [14:48] <GreyVulpine> then Radeon 1xxx
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#1825 [14:48] <EmpiresBane> it was as i feared...
#1826 [14:49] <Kealper> gery, you sneaky ninja, you >.>
#1827 [14:49] <EmpiresBane> Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.60GHz
#1828 [14:49] <Kealper> grey*
#1829 [14:49] <GreyVulpine> I have been trained well
#1830 [14:49] <GreyVulpine> Art of the Ninja'd™
#1831 [14:49] <Kealper> lol
#1832 [14:49] <bugweiser> greyVulpine is that Radeon X1xxx? :L
#1833 [14:49] <SkiingPenguins> bugweiser just go here: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/windows/Legacy/Pages/radeonaiw_vista32.aspx?type=2.4.1&product=2.4.1.3.13&lang=English
#1834 [14:49] <GreyVulpine> Indeed bugweiser
#1835 [14:49] <bugweiser> sorry for being a pest -.-
#1836 [14:49] <CnapKu> I want MINECRAFT!!
#1837 [14:49] <GreyVulpine> Nope, at least you're asking questions.
#1838 [14:50] <EmpiresBane> and gioving us information
#1839 [14:50] <EmpiresBane> *giving
#1840 [14:50] <SkiingPenguins> i assumed he was on vista 32-bit and came up with this link: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/windows/Legacy/Pages/radeonaiw_vista32.aspx?type=2.4.1&product=2.4.1.3.13&lang=English
#1841 [14:50] <bugweiser> and i am on vista 32-bit right?
#1842 [14:50] <EmpiresBane> hrm... i have 6 usb ports
#1843 [14:50] <bugweiser> i am a bit of a failing computer person :L
#1844 [14:50] <SkiingPenguins> i would assume so..
#1845 [14:50] <EmpiresBane> i have no idea which one's are 2.0
#1846 [14:51] <SkiingPenguins> EmpiresBane i dont know either on my laptop, and apparently neither does the internet :P
#1847 [14:51] <GreyVulpine> bugweiser - can you go to your start menu
#1848 [14:51] <GreyVulpine> Right click on "Computer", go to properties
#1849 [14:51] <bugweiser> okay
#1850 [14:51] <GreyVulpine> It should tell you there if you're running 32 or 64 bit
#1851 [14:51] <Kealper> Mathuin: nice lol, just set em up as a side-by-side
#1852 [14:52] <bugweiser> it doesn't u-u
#1853 [14:52] <GreyVulpine> It doesn't?
#1854 [14:52] <bugweiser> i just chose 32-bit
#1855 [14:52] <bugweiser> no
#1856 [14:52] <CnapKu> I want MINECRAFT!
#1857 [14:52] <bugweiser> which one should i get?
#1858 [14:52] <bugweiser> Catalyst Software Suite
#1859 [14:52] <bugweiser> or
#1860 [14:52] <GreyVulpine> The Suite
#1861 [14:52] <EmpiresBane> CnapKu, unless you have an issue, leave
#1862 [14:53] <bugweiser> WDM Integrated Driver
#1863 [14:53] <bugweiser> okay
#1864 [14:54] <GreyVulpine> Surprised it didn't show up in computer properties.
#1865 [14:54] <GreyVulpine> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v374/vishaal_here/Vista_System_Properties.png
#1866 [14:54] <GreyVulpine> You can see an example here, under "system type"
#1867 [14:54] <bugweiser> thanks,
#1868 [14:55] <bugweiser> it was 32 bit
#1869 [14:55] <GreyVulpine> Ok
#1870 [14:55] <EmpiresBane> crap... everything else just stopped responding
#1871 [14:56] <Kealper> O.o
#1872 [14:56] <EmpiresBane> i can type
#1873 [14:56] <EmpiresBane> but...
#1874 [14:56] <EmpiresBane> the panels are frozen
#1875 [14:56] <EmpiresBane> and those are kinda important....
#1876 [14:56] <Kealper> oh my...the newest Firefox 4.0b11 nightly has a nice feature
#1877 [14:57] <Kealper> like...like very much
#1878 [14:57] <EmpiresBane> what is it?
#1879 [14:58] <Kealper> it's got a thing in the bottom-left that says what it's doing (like pretty much all other browsers) but it's like....floating over the displayed page instead of wasting space in a toolbar at the bottom
#1880 [14:58] <Kealper> it's hard to explain....but it's similar to chrome
#1881 [14:58] <EmpiresBane> yeah
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#1883 [14:59] <bugweiser> so after it's finished downloading
#1884 [14:59] <bugweiser> minecraft should work?
#1885 [14:59] <Kealper> should work, yes
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#1887 [14:59] <Kealper> looking at the specs of your computer, it should play it :/
#1888 [14:59] <GreyVulpine> Download/install, yes
#1889 [14:59] <EmpiresBane> well, adter it's finished downloading, you need to run it
#1890 [15:00] <EmpiresBane> right....
#1891 [15:00] * Kealper forgot that he should never assume anything
#1891 [15:00] <Zw> Hi! This has happened 6 times today: http://pastebin.com/6XDFsADr Server shut downs, and whats shown with # in front in the start is what Il see in console. Why is this so? How to fix? My server is not playable!
#1892 [15:00] <EmpiresBane> i'm gonna restart now
#1893 [15:00] <GreyVulpine> Zw - Looks like a problem with java, reinstall it
#1894 [15:00] <bugweiser> okay
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#1896 [15:00] <Kealper> O.o
#1897 [15:00] <Kealper> jvm.dll
#1898 [15:01] <Zw> Grey, i can try that
#1899 [15:01] <Zw> tnx
#1900 [15:01] <Zuty> I have a question about server hosting. Does anyone know of a good VPS (I think that's what it is called) for a Minecraft server?
#1901 [15:01] * Kealper does not know much on VPS stuff
#1901 [15:02] <Zuty> >.<
#1902 [15:02] <Mathuin> I actually have a VPS, but I haven't considered installing a Minecraft server on it. Hmm.
#1903 [15:02] <Zuty> I just need to know what I am looking for. I've had people tell me I need 1GB per player, but I am seeing server computers with 2GB costing 70$+ a month.
#1904 [15:03] <SkiingPenguins> 1GB per player is a bit much
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#1906 [15:03] <Kealper> 1gb per player? whoever said that wasstupid
#1907 [15:03] <Zuty> Okay
#1908 [15:03] <Zuty> ><
#1909 [15:03] <EmpiresBane> wrong button....
#1910 [15:03] <Zuty> Someone with a star said it
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#1912 [15:03] <Kealper> how many people did you plan on having on your server at once?
#1913 [15:03] <Zuty> Like .... 5 at once, maybe 20 total (probably not all on at once)
#1914 [15:04] <Zuty> I have a computer that has ~1GB and I ran it on that for awhile, but I was hitting lag
#1915 [15:04] <bugweiser> okay it's finished downloading so now what?
#1916 [15:04] <GreyVulpine> bugweiser - Run it
#1917 [15:04] <Kealper> oh, then i would look for something that has 2gb of ram, so you can allocate 1gb of ram to the minecraft server (1gb total, not per player)
#1918 [15:05] <bugweiser> do i install it?
#1919 [15:05] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#1920 [15:05] <bugweiser> okay
#1921 [15:05] <Kealper> 1gb of ram dedicated to the minecraft server could easily support the number of people you want on your server
#1922 [15:05] <xahz2011> do you know how fast your upload speed is? that can be a major cause of lag and save on ram and such also
#1923 [15:05] <SkiingPenguins> doubt he got what you said
#1924 [15:06] <Zuty> Okay, TY so much Kealper. So let me see if I got this right ... 1GB will support 5-20 people easily and 1GB = Server Files and such
#1925 [15:06] <SkiingPenguins> oh wow sorry
#1926 [15:06] <SkiingPenguins> 1GB of RAM just so we're clear
#1927 [15:06] <Zuty> Right
#1928 [15:06] <Zuty> Crystal
#1929 [15:06] <Kealper> Zuty: if you are going the way of VPS though, those almost always run Linux, (without a GUI)
#1930 [15:06] <Zuty> Yeah, I just don't know the term for (what I have been calling them) a box.
#1931 [15:06] <GreyVulpine> I don't know about 1GB of RAM supporting 20 people..
#1932 [15:07] <GreyVulpine> Not at once.
#1933 [15:07] <Kealper> Zuty: not 1gb total server ram, but like 1.5-2gb total server ram, since you still need ram for the OS
#1934 [15:07] <xales> Zuty: You want a VPS that has more than 1GB of RAM, so that the Minecraft server can use 1GB for itself
#1935 [15:07] <Kealper> GreyVulpine: he said 5 at once, 20 players total
#1936 [15:07] <GreyVulpine> Oh, my mistake
#1937 [15:07] <xales> and 1GB doesn't mean burst ram, it means dedicated ram, if the provider has those listed
#1938 [15:07] <Zuty> Yes, ~5, maybe 8 at one time in one location, but I will have 20 total.
#1939 [15:08] <xahz2011> depends how many bytes per person per tick you need to process, divide 1GB by 20 and if the answer is lower than the bytes you need to process you would need more ram
#1940 [15:08] * Kealper can not stress enough that you should have some experience with Linux, and hosting servers before getting a VPS, or you will just be asking for trouble
#1940 [15:08] <Zuty> I was talking to someone on here before and I've run WoW servers on boxes in the past with ~50-75 players on at once, and they said a MC server needs more space than that.
#1941 [15:08] <bugweiser> wow o,o
#1942 [15:08] <bugweiser> my screen just maximised o,o
#1943 [15:08] <GreyVulpine> MC cannot compare to other servers
#1944 [15:08] <SkiingPenguins> bugweiser that's to be expected when installing drivers
#1945 [15:08] <GreyVulpine> You can't use baselines for other games for minecraft
#1946 [15:08] <Kealper> Zuty: yes, Minecraft uses more bandwidth and resources than a WoW private server
#1947 [15:09] <statik> what is a VPS?
#1948 [15:09] <Zuty> Ok
#1949 [15:09] <bugweiser> okay thanks
#1950 [15:09] <Kealper> statik: Virtual Private Server
#1951 [15:09] <bugweiser> will it go away though?
#1952 [15:09] <SkiingPenguins> what do you mean go away?
#1953 [15:09] <statik> got it
#1954 [15:09] <bugweiser> gone :)
#1955 [15:09] <statik> thanks
#1956 [15:09] <bugweiser> the screen went all big
#1957 [15:09] <SkiingPenguins> bugweiser it should flicker and junk but not completly fail :P
#1958 [15:09] <Kealper> O.o
#1959 [15:09] <bugweiser> it goes black
#1960 [15:10] <bugweiser> then gets better graphics :D
#1961 [15:10] <CnapKu> I want MINECRAFT!!
#1962 [15:10] <bugweiser> :D:D:D:D
#1963 [15:10] <Zuty> Okay ... Well, this is just a 'friends only' server, so 2GB of RAM is enough. Correct?
#1964 [15:10] <bugweiser> IT WORKS :D
#1965 [15:11] <Kealper> Zuty: 1.5gb to 2gb
#1966 [15:11] <Kealper> 1.5gb would probably be cheaper, and should still work, since Linux does not use much ram
#1967 [15:11] <GreyVulpine> Yay
#1968 [15:11] <xales> CnapKu: Then buy it?
#1969 [15:12] * SkiingPenguins wonders why you dont just get rid of CnapKu
#1969 [15:12] <Kealper> SkiingPenguins: enjoyment
#1970 [15:12] <Zuty> Okay, thank you so much for clearing up all this confusion xD
#1971 [15:12] <GreyVulpine> Hasn't gotten on the nerves of an op yet
#1972 [15:12] <Mathuin> Kealper: tonight, I'm generating a 1:1 (full scale!) version of Block Island. Should take seven hours.
#1973 [15:12] <Kealper> Mathuin: :O
#1974 [15:12] <bugweiser> thanks for helping me all of you C:
#1975 [15:13] <GreyVulpine> Have fun bug
#1976 [15:13] <GreyVulpine> damn
#1977 [15:13] * EmpiresBane kicked CnapKu from #MineCraftHelp (Reason: CnapKu)
#1978 [15:13] <SkiingPenguins> the thought that counts
#1979 [15:13] <Kealper> Mathuin: throw it on an smp server so people in here can explore it lol
#1980 [15:13] <EmpiresBane> i warned him earlier
#1981 [15:13] * GreyVulpine nods
#1981 [15:13] <Mathuin> The one thing my code really needs, honestly, is underground management.
#1982 [15:13] <Mathuin> I can handle ugly trees.
#1983 [15:13] <Mathuin> I am offended by the world not having ores and crap underneath.
#1984 [15:13] <Kealper> are they really that ugly? lol
#1985 [15:14] <Mathuin> Didn't you see that image?
#1986 [15:14] <statik> so i just forword the default port and people can join from the WAN side?
#1987 [15:14] <GreyVulpine> Yes statik
#1988 [15:14] <Kealper> the top-down does not show much
#1989 [15:14] <statik> cool
#1990 [15:14] <Mathuin> Each tree has a random height depending on what kind of tree it is.
#1991 [15:14] <Mathuin> The first two logs of a tree have no leaves.
#1992 [15:14] <Mathuin> From there it expands one square out from the trunk for every square up until halfway, when it returns.
#1993 [15:15] <Kealper> XD
#1994 [15:15] <Mathuin> Sorta like taking two hats from the guys from Devo and putting them together.
#1995 [15:15] <Mathuin> Or mini versions of those Inca step pyramids.
#1996 [15:15] <statik> i have a dedicated linux server going is there a server list?
#1997 [15:15] <Mathuin> statik: check #smp's topic.
#1998 [15:16] <Kealper> http://servers.minecraftforum.net
#1999 [15:17] <Kealper> oh, sweet
#2000 [15:17] <Kealper> http://mcserverlist.net
#2001 [15:18] <statik> nice
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#2004 [15:20] <EmpiresBane> ow...
#2005 [15:20] <CnapKu> i want to play minecraft onlineee
#2006 [15:20] <CnapKu> ;S
#2007 [15:20] <EmpiresBane> just hit my kneecap with my subwoofer
#2008 [15:20] <Kealper> CnapKu: you were already kicked from the channel for saying that
#2009 [15:20] <EmpiresBane> do you have a problem?
#2010 [15:20] <Kealper> CnapKu: we know you want to play minecraft, loads of other people are in the same situation
#2011 [15:20] <Kealper> CnapKu: we can't do anything about it
#2012 [15:21] <CnapKu> i was kicked
#2013 [15:21] <CnapKu> ?
#2014 [15:21] <EmpiresBane> We not Mojang, we can't fix it
#2015 [15:21] <CnapKu> i thought i'm freakin' out
#2016 [15:21] <CnapKu> okayy
#2017 [15:21] <CnapKu> I know that
#2018 [15:21] <xMasterboyx> I´m in the same situation. Play offline and don´t cry
#2019 [15:21] <EmpiresBane> *We are not
#2020 [15:21] <GreyVulpine> We're also #MineCraftHelp, not #whine
#2021 [15:21] <CnapKu> Offline is not that cool
#2022 [15:21] <CnapKu> Okay sorry for spamming
#2023 [15:22] <SkiingPenguins> multiplayer works for me even if i click play offline.. is that normal?
#2024 [15:22] <xMasterboyx> ehhmmm... not really
#2025 [15:22] <EmpiresBane> SkiingPenguins, as long as the server has security off, then yes
#2026 [15:23] <statik> i have a core duo 3.2mhz, 4gig, 612down 80up dsl, Linux box how meny players can i host?
#2027 [15:24] <EmpiresBane> bandwidth is going to be your limiting factor
#2028 [15:24] <EmpiresBane> wait...
#2029 [15:24] <EmpiresBane> 612 what?
#2030 [15:24] <statik> yeah its the 80 up that kills
#2031 [15:24] <EmpiresBane> mbs?
#2032 [15:24] <EmpiresBane> kbs?
#2033 [15:24] <statik> kb
#2034 [15:24] <statik> 6mb
#2035 [15:25] <SkiingPenguins> your using kilobits right?
#2036 [15:25] <statik> yeah i wish mb
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#2038 [15:26] <Reice> I have a problem with minecraft that I've always had, for some reason if I host a server the envronment won't generate at all and I fall forever. I don't suppose anyone knows what is going on? Just for the record, I've been in here before and apparently it's not my computer, its 'the server not communicating with the client'.
#2039 [15:26] <xMasterboyx> there is a topic in the forum Reice
#2040 [15:26] <Reice> awesome.
#2041 [15:26] <xMasterboyx> i know
#2042 [15:26] <GreyVulpine> Reice - Brand of NIC?
#2043 [15:27] <Reice> wait what?
#2044 [15:27] <Reice> on wait...
#2045 [15:27] <GreyVulpine> What is the manufacturer of your NIC
#2046 [15:28] <Reice> I can't remember what NIC is...
#2047 [15:28] <SkiingPenguins> HA I TOLD YOU!
#2048 [15:28] <Reice> In fact i doubt i've ever know.
#2049 [15:28] <Reice> n
#2050 [15:28] <EmpiresBane> ...?
#2051 [15:28] <Reice> .
#2052 [15:28] <Mathuin> Reice: network interface card. it may be a card in your computer, or it could be on the motherboard.
#2053 [15:29] <Reice> right, I'll try find out
#2054 [15:29] <xahz2011> omg..so I made a skin, I upload to the server, it doesn't show up
#2055 [15:29] <SkiingPenguins> skins are down
#2056 [15:29] <xahz2011> m'k
#2057 [15:29] <Mathuin> They really should post something on minecraft.net to that effect.
#2058 [15:29] <Reice> lies, i changed my skin about an hour ago.
#2059 [15:30] <Mathuin> I submitted a changed skin, but I don't see it.
#2060 [15:30] <SkiingPenguins> it doesnt show it to me so i would assume its still messed up
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#2062 [15:30] <GreyVulpine> Skin preview is disabled, but the skin changer itself works
#2063 [15:30] <xahz2011> where it says use this link to show others your skin, I click that and the next page says "or not..."
#2064 [15:30] * GreyVulpine nods
#2064 [15:31] <Armalitex> afternoon
#2065 [15:31] <GreyVulpine> 'lo Armalitex
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#2067 [15:32] <Armalitex> you wouldnt happen to be free would you grey?
#2068 [15:32] <Armalitex> if your busy i understand
#2069 [15:34] <Reice> Yeah, he's helping hopeless peasants with their silly little computer problems.
#2070 [15:35] <Reice> I can't find out what make the NIC is.
#2071 [15:35] <GreyVulpine> I'm free-ish
#2072 [15:37] <Armalitex> whenever and if/ever you want to tweak at my router again, just pm me i wont distract you from other matters
#2073 [15:37] <EmpiresBane> tweak at your router?
#2074 [15:38] <Armalitex> i have 2 routers trying to set up my server but only i can get in others cant, grey has been helping me and we have no clue what the issue is
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#2076 [15:39] <EmpiresBane> and you port-forwarded, right?
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#2078 [15:39] <Armalitex> yep
#2079 [15:39] <Armalitex> but it says the port is still closed
#2080 [15:40] <EmpiresBane> and you're sure your router doesn't require you to forward ports per address?
#2081 [15:40] <Armalitex> i think we did that as well
#2082 [15:40] <EmpiresBane> as in, you have to choose which computer on the network you're forwarding ports for?
#2083 [15:40] <GreyVulpine> EmpiresBane. It's a netgear router behind another Wimax combination modem/router
#2084 [15:40] <GreyVulpine> I've tried to port forward through both, but I'm suspecting that the wimax modem is crap. to be blunt
#2085 [15:41] <EmpiresBane> hm...
#2086 [15:41] <GreyVulpine> I've put the wimax modem on DMZ, I've port forwarded.
#2087 [15:41] <xales> GreyVulpine: Oh, Wimax?
#2088 [15:41] <Armalitex> the netgear router is the main, the other router is a splitter to the phone and such
#2089 [15:41] <xales> thats 4G thing right?
#2090 [15:41] <EmpiresBane> Wimax
#2091 [15:41] <EmpiresBane> not WiMax
#2092 [15:41] <xales> (hint: can't portforward with those - the ISP blocks it before it gets to router)
#2093 [15:41] <GreyVulpine> Haven't done both, I think that's the next step, there's a post on dslreports.com that says that particular modem is known for being crap, and you need to do both
#2094 [15:42] <GreyVulpine> xales - Hmm?
#2095 [15:42] <xales> GreyVulpine: Is it one of those wireless things
#2096 [15:42] <xales> GreyVulpine: Like Clear or whatever
#2097 [15:42] <GreyVulpine> Yeah
#2098 [15:42] <GreyVulpine> Clear modem
#2099 [15:42] <EmpiresBane> oh...
#2100 [15:42] <xales> That won't work
#2101 [15:42] <xales> They block incoming traffic
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#2103 [15:43] <GreyVulpine> They do... ?
#2104 [15:43] <xales> The ISP blocks it
#2105 [15:43] <xales> before the client's router even sees it
#2106 [15:43] <Armalitex> if it blocks it, how am i able to egt into my server?
#2107 [15:43] <GreyVulpine> Connecting locally doesn't go through your modem
#2108 [15:44] <Armalitex> ohh
#2109 [15:44] <Armalitex> so if i were to say, unplug the splitter modem from the wifi modem would that help?
#2110 [15:44] <GreyVulpine> xales, you're absolutely sure about that?
#2111 [15:44] <Armalitex> the only thing the splitter is doing is running to 1 single phone
#2112 [15:45] <xales> GreyVulpine: Yeah, I've tried getting it to work with other people on the same ISP
#2113 [15:45] <GreyVulpine> Ah, okay.
#2114 [15:45] <xales> They do some serious filtering
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#2116 [15:46] <GreyVulpine> I'm sorry Armalitex, I can't do anything then, this is an issue with your ISP
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#2118 [15:46] <acrocycle> Hello all
#2119 [15:46] <Armalitex> its fine, you tried your best and im eternally gratefull for that
#2120 [15:47] <acrocycle> Yesterday I was mining some hallways in the edge of a mountain and all of the sudden it appeared to have caved in ... it was mainly rock and cobble stone. Do these materials ever cave in?
#2121 [15:48] <acrocycle> I had windows out to the rest of the world
#2122 [15:48] <xales> No
#2123 [15:48] <xales> Only sand and gravel
#2124 [15:48] <acrocycle> So it was a glitch in my server most likely?
#2125 [15:48] <GreyVulpine> Possibly a chunk corrupted?
#2126 [15:49] <acrocycle> It was like an earthquake. Part of the hallway and stairs I builtwere left. I was forced out into another smaller tunnel... thought it was a cave in of some sort.
#2127 [15:49] <acrocycle> Must be my server then.
#2128 [15:49] <xales> !uptime
#2129 [15:49] <EmpiresBane> what would you guys say is the best torrent client for linux?
#2130 [15:49] <xales> EmpiresBane: rtorrent
#2131 [15:49] <acrocycle> I haven't used a torrent client on linux in a while but that is what I used to use... rtorrent
#2132 [15:50] <acrocycle> I use deluge on my mac now... bigger HD than my linux laptop
#2133 [15:50] <EmpiresBane> ok
#2134 [15:50] <EmpiresBane> i used to use uTorrent on windows
#2135 [15:50] <EmpiresBane> but i don't want to torrent anything on the laptop anymore
#2136 [15:51] <EmpiresBane> whereas, this computer, i can just format and reinstall if there's ever a problem
#2137 [15:51] <acrocycle> Wait... I use transmision
#2138 [15:51] <acrocycle> I like that one
#2139 [15:51] <xales> Transmission lacks a few features
#2140 [15:51] <xales> like editing trackers of running torrents
#2141 [15:51] <xales> =/
#2142 [15:52] <acrocycle> I just download and let it go... I'm not too picky. ;-)
#2143 [15:52] <acrocycle> As long as it works.
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#2145 [15:52] <acrocycle> I have to go... cya
#2146 [15:52] <EmpiresBane> hm... i don't torrent much
#2147 [15:53] <EmpiresBane> mainly music or games without demo's so that i can try them out
#2148 [15:53] <statik> is there a vuzi for linux?
#2149 [15:54] <dopeghoti> !isdown minecraft.net
#2150 [15:54] <crickets> dopeghoti: It's not just you! http://minecraft.net looks down from here.
#2151 [15:54] <dopeghoti> Joy.
#2152 [15:54] <GreyVulpine> Down for me as well
#2153 [15:55] <statik> arrgh
#2154 [15:55] <dopeghoti> I'm about three minutes away from implementing my very own "Free Weekend" on my server.
#2155 [15:57] <EmpiresBane> grr...
#2156 [15:57] <EmpiresBane> sister disconnected me
#2157 [15:58] <EmpiresBane> am i still here?
#2158 [15:58] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#2159 [15:58] <GreyVulpine> !ping
#2160 [15:58] <crickets> GreyVulpine Your Ping time was 0.41 Seconds.
#2161 [15:59] <EmpiresBane> !ping
#2162 [15:59] <crickets> EmpiresBane Your Ping time was 0.36 Seconds.
#2163 [15:59] <EmpiresBane> mines better!
#2164 [15:59] <GreyVulpine> Bah
#2165 [15:59] <xahz2011> !ping
#2166 [15:59] <crickets> xahz2011 Your Ping time was 0.341 Seconds.
#2167 [15:59] <xahz2011> =P
#2168 [15:59] <EmpiresBane> ...
#2169 [16:00] <EmpiresBane> just had to 1 up me, didn't you
#2170 [16:00] <xahz2011> xD if it makes you feel better my ping is the only quick thing about my pc
#2171 [16:02] <EmpiresBane> i'm sure your pc is faster than this one
#2172 [16:02] <woder> !ping
#2173 [16:02] <crickets> woder Your Ping time was 0.261 Seconds.
#2174 [16:03] <EmpiresBane> i'm about ready to kick crickets
#2175 [16:03] <woder> lol
#2176 [16:03] <EmpiresBane> no more people with a better pinbg than me
#2177 [16:03] <EmpiresBane> *ping
#2178 [16:03] <xahz2011> lol, the bots always get the agro
#2179 [16:04] <GreyVulpine> Hah
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#2182 [16:06] <xahz2011> ah, can anyone point me to an active zombie day night survival style server, my current home server is full and i am rather noob...
#2183 [16:07] <GreyVulpine> This really isn't the channel for that kind of question... I can point you to #smp or http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewforum.php?f=1025
#2184 [16:07] <xahz2011> thats kl i just been looking for a while now and its hard to find one you can just dive into
#2185 [16:10] <Lexshu> what mods would be good to have on a priv serv with survival mode on??
#2186 [16:11] <GreyVulpine> Try #bukkit
#2187 [16:11] <GreyVulpine> It's not entirely finished, but many servers use it, even uncomplete as it is.
#2188 [16:11] <Lexshu> what does it add?
#2189 [16:11] <GreyVulpine> Depends on what you add to it
#2190 [16:11] <Lexshu> do you have a link to what it does? or can do
#2191 [16:12] <Lexshu> nvm i google it :S
#2192 [16:12] <GreyVulpine> Forums are here: http://forums.bukkit.org/
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#2194 [16:15] <GreyVulpine> !isdown minecraft.net
#2195 [16:15] <crickets> GreyVulpine: It's just you. http://minecraft.net is up.
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#2197 [16:15] <xahz2011> uh, thats debatable mister cricket but it is indeed working at the moment...
#2198 [16:16] <GreyVulpine> Just making sure the script updates right, I only just added it recently.
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#2200 [16:17] <Lampshade> Hello all.
#2201 [16:17] <GreyVulpine> 'lo gov'na
#2202 [16:17] <xahz2011> 'lo thar, yar...
#2203 [16:17] <EmpiresBane> who all here is a bot?
#2204 [16:17] <xales> !seen xales
#2205 [16:17] <crickets> Look in a mirror, xales.
#2206 [16:17] <Lampshade> Probably Me.
#2207 [16:18] <xahz2011> not i
#2208 [16:18] <GreyVulpine> AuBot, crickets, and xales' bot, if he has it
#2209 [16:18] <xales> !uptime
#2210 [16:18] <xales> !time
#2211 [16:18] <crickets> GreyBot's time is: Sat Jan 29 16:18:03 2011.
#2212 [16:18] <xales> !help
#2213 [16:18] <xales> !find
#2214 [16:18] <xales> @find
#2215 [16:18] <xales> !list
#2216 [16:18] <Lampshade> I haven't been checked by the doc in afew weeks.
#2217 [16:18] <xahz2011> hm...
#2218 [16:18] <xahz2011> !motd
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#2220 [16:18] <xahz2011> o rly...lol, nothing happened
#2221 [16:19] <Lampshade> Ok, who can tell me what's up with minecraft today?
#2222 [16:19] <EmpiresBane> server load
#2223 [16:19] <xales> Lampshade: It seems to be working fine now
#2224 [16:19] <xales> or it was...
#2225 [16:19] <EmpiresBane> as usual
#2226 [16:19] <Lampshade> How? I can't go on the server usual
#2227 [16:19] <Lampshade> List
#2228 [16:20] <xales> oh, Classic
#2229 [16:20] <xales> thats still broken
#2230 [16:20] <Lampshade> Cause' I'm about to buy the game, But if the servers are this unreliable.
#2231 [16:20] <TheReddeH> gah i hate gravel
#2232 [16:20] <Lampshade> Hmm, Beta Multiplayer survival still work?
#2233 [16:20] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#2234 [16:20] <Mathuin> Question: what's the best way to identify which distribution I'm using when logged in at the command line?
#2235 [16:20] <xales> Beta works fine
#2236 [16:20] <TheReddeH> im building a huge tunnel and every minute minecraft is like STOP! GRAVEL TIME!
#2237 [16:20] <GreyVulpine> Mathuin - For...
#2238 [16:20] <xales> Mathuin: Try uname -a
#2239 [16:20] <xales> but...you should know that
#2240 [16:20] <Lampshade> Ok, I'll try beta
#2241 [16:20] <xales> and there is no set way to check
#2242 [16:21] <Lampshade> Bahh, any way to tell when Classic is going to be fixed?
#2243 [16:21] <GreyVulpine> two weeks™
#2244 [16:21] <Mathuin> uname -a gave me "Linux hostname 2.6.18-194.26.1.el5 #1 SMP Tue Nov 9 12:54:20 EST 2010 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux"
#2245 [16:21] <xales> Eventually(TM)
#2246 [16:21] <Mathuin> Does that mean debian?
#2247 [16:21] <Roenie> <EmpiresBane> server load
#2248 [16:21] <xales> Mathuin: No
#2249 [16:21] <Roenie> server load of crap
#2250 [16:21] <Lampshade> Really? Two weeks?
#2251 [16:21] <GreyVulpine> No.
#2252 [16:21] <Mathuin> I thought Debian was the only ones using "GNU/Linux".
#2253 [16:21] <Lampshade> Oh
#2254 [16:21] <Lampshade> Then you have no idea?
#2255 [16:22] <xales> Mathuin: Nope
#2256 [16:22] <GreyVulpine> We really have no ETA on that Lampshade
#2257 [16:22] <xales> Mathuin: Try `cat /proc/version'
#2258 [16:22] <Lampshade> Hmmm, Ok
#2259 [16:22] <Roenie> <Lampshade> Cause' I'm about to buy the game, But if the servers are this unreliable.
#2260 [16:22] <Mathuin> "Red Hat 4.1.2-48" jumps out at me.
#2261 [16:22] <xales> and pastebin the output of that
#2262 [16:22] <Roenie> they are.
#2263 [16:22] <Mathuin> Is that RHEL?
#2264 [16:22] <xales> Mathuin: err, just paste
#2265 [16:22] <xales> paste the whole thing
#2266 [16:23] <Lampshade> I don't see why you just quoted me
#2267 [16:23] <Roenie> at least at this point
#2268 [16:23] <Mathuin> xales: I'm not logged in to that machine from this machine
#2269 [16:23] <EmpiresBane> Lampshade, Minecraft has had a huge increase in popularity
#2270 [16:23] <Lampshade> I know
#2271 [16:23] <Roenie> wait a few weeks, then see
#2272 [16:23] <xales> Mathuin: Pastebin then?
#2273 [16:23] <EmpiresBane> Mojang is still working on finding a host that can support their traffic
#2274 [16:23] <Lampshade> Server Load, And running a website is hard
#2275 [16:23] <xales> need to know exactly what it says
#2276 [16:23] <Roenie> EmpiresBane, so amazon failed?
#2277 [16:23] <xales> Roenie: Yup
#2278 [16:24] <EmpiresBane> pretty much
#2279 [16:24] <Roenie> jeezz
#2280 [16:24] <Lampshade> Man, Can any Server host Minecraft?
#2281 [16:24] <Mathuin> xales: http://pastebin.com/VjpTT89D
#2282 [16:24] <Lampshade> They could try running their own server
#2283 [16:24] <Roenie> put it on the WoW network
#2284 [16:24] <Lampshade> I'm sure they've already thought of it
#2285 [16:24] <xales> Lampshade: One server? Unlikely. They are running it on a load-balanced cluster
#2286 [16:24] <EmpiresBane> that's what it was on before amazon
#2287 [16:24] <EmpiresBane> kept going down
#2288 [16:24] <Roenie> EmpiresBane, what?
#2289 [16:25] <xales> Mathuin: That is CentOS
#2290 [16:25] <xales> an old version, on top of that
#2291 [16:25] <Lampshade> Load-Balanced? Doesn't seem to work
#2292 [16:25] <EmpiresBane> Roenie, the minecraft website was originally hosted by notch
#2293 [16:25] <Mathuin> xales: okay. how do I install packages on that?
#2294 [16:25] <Roenie> assumed it was, yes
#2295 [16:26] <Lampshade> So, I can still play on Beta Multiplayer?
#2296 [16:26] <xales> Mathuin: http://www.centos.org/docs/4/
#2297 [16:26] <EmpiresBane> Lampshade, the load-balancing server had too big of a load
#2298 [16:26] <EmpiresBane> go figure
#2299 [16:26] <Lampshade> Lol, Imagine if he didn't have a load-balanced
#2300 [16:26] <xales> Load-balanced load-balancer
#2301 [16:26] <xales> Lampshade: It wasn't load-balanced before
#2302 [16:26] <Lampshade> Is it now?
#2303 [16:27] <Lampshade> Notch is on a two week break right?
#2304 [16:27] <EmpiresBane> yeah
#2305 [16:27] <EmpiresBane> but the rest of Mojang isn't
#2306 [16:27] <Mathuin> Dude needs it. :-P
#2307 [16:27] <xales> Notch isn't doing the server move
#2308 [16:27] <Lampshade> For what again? Vacation?
#2309 [16:27] <Lampshade> Ahh, The Migration
#2310 [16:27] <xales> Notch isn't the only one working on it
#2311 [16:27] <Mathuin> xales: thanks!!
#2312 [16:28] <xales> Why does everyone think 'if Notch is gone nobody is working'
#2313 [16:28] <Lampshade> I don't
#2314 [16:28] <xales> Notch didn't work on this server move, at all
#2315 [16:28] <xales> mollstam did
#2316 [16:28] <Lampshade> I was just asking
#2317 [16:28] <xales> and he is working on it right now
#2318 [16:28] <xales> >.>
#2319 [16:28] <EmpiresBane> xales, because that's how it used to be
#2320 [16:28] <Lampshade> He has 7 Employees right?
#2321 [16:28] <xales> Lampshade: Something like that
#2322 [16:28] <EmpiresBane> and because Notch is the big guy
#2323 [16:28] <xales> 95% of people that come in here are like 'OMG NOTCH GON HE TAK 2 LONG TRIP I NO GET WORK MINCRAFT OMG OMG OGM OMG OMGO MGOGMGOMGOWMRUIANUIAWHD"
#2324 [16:28] <EmpiresBane> and people have a hard time noticing the anyone who isn't leading
#2325 [16:28] <Lampshade> Noob Question- Do I have to make a new account if I buy beta?
#2326 [16:29] <EmpiresBane> no
#2327 [16:29] <Lampshade> Ok
#2328 [16:29] <xales> Nope, just need to have an account
#2329 [16:29] <Lampshade> Already do
#2330 [16:29] <EmpiresBane> it just upgrades your current account
#2331 [16:29] <Lampshade> What's the price? 20.00$ Usd exactly?
#2332 [16:29] <vvenaya> xales needs a break
#2333 [16:29] <GreyVulpine> 15 euros
#2334 [16:29] <Lampshade> Or Taxes? (I doubt that)
#2335 [16:29] <vvenaya> 2 weeks of it
#2336 [16:29] <GreyVulpine> So about 20 bucks USD, roughly, given the conversion rate
#2337 [16:29] <Lampshade> Hmm
#2338 [16:30] <EmpiresBane> 15 euros = 20.4255 US dollars
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#2340 [16:30] <aetherian> !ping
#2341 [16:30] * xales kicked vvenaya from #MineCraftHelp (Reason: herp derp trollin)
#2342 [16:30] <crickets> aetherian Your Ping time was 2.173 Seconds.
#2343 [16:30] <aetherian> whoa
#2344 [16:30] <aetherian> I missed a troll
#2345 [16:30] <xales> fail
#2346 [16:30] <xales> !ping
#2347 [16:30] <aetherian> and my ping is high
#2348 [16:30] <Lampshade> So? 20.42 $
#2349 [16:30] <crickets> xales Your Ping time was 3.986 Seconds.
#2350 [16:30] <xales> \o/
#2351 [16:30] <aetherian> lol
#2352 [16:30] <aetherian> !ping
#2353 [16:30] <crickets> aetherian Your Ping time was 0.381 Seconds.
#2354 [16:30] <aetherian> better
#2355 [16:30] <EmpiresBane> dear god xales
#2356 [16:30] <Lampshade> !ping
#2357 [16:30] <crickets> Lampshade Your Ping time was 0.571 Seconds.
#2358 [16:30] <EmpiresBane> what are you using?
#2359 [16:30] <GreyVulpine> !part
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#2361 [16:31] <Lampshade> Is that bad?
#2362 [16:31] <EmpiresBane> old morse code lines?
#2363 [16:31] <aetherian> lol
#2364 [16:31] <xales> EmpiresBane: Client intentionally delays ping responses, to prevent being flooded off
#2365 [16:31] <GreyVulpine> Okay, enough with the !ping spam
#2366 [16:31] <xales> lol
#2367 [16:31] <aetherian> hehehe
#2368 [16:31] <EmpiresBane> Lampshade, it's fine
#2369 [16:31] <aetherian> I wanted to beat my yesterday mark
#2370 [16:31] <Lampshade> Fine
#2371 [16:31] <aetherian> but...
#2372 [16:31] <aetherian> my sister is streaming something >.>
#2373 [16:31] <Lampshade> So, it's 20.45 ?
#2374 [16:31] <EmpiresBane> yeah
#2375 [16:31] * aetherian is going to take down the network
#2375 [16:31] <EmpiresBane> around there
#2376 [16:31] <GreyVulpine> Lampshade - Roughly, yes.
#2377 [16:31] <Lampshade> Ok
#2378 [16:31] <aetherian> brb
#2379 [16:31] <GreyVulpine> It depends on the server provider's conversion rates as well
#2380 [16:32] <Lampshade> Yeah
#2381 [16:32] <GreyVulpine> If you use paypal, their bank might have a slightly different conversion ratio
#2382 [16:32] <Lampshade> I'm using paypal
#2383 [16:32] <Lampshade> I think
#2384 [16:32] <xales> Paypal should tell you the amount you will be charged in your local currency on the 'Confirm order' page
#2385 [16:33] <EmpiresBane> cricket should be able to accept all those commands in a message
#2386 [16:33] <Lampshade> Says 14.95 Euro
#2387 [16:33] <xales> !comebackcrickets
#2388 [16:33] <Lampshade> Conversion?
#2389 [16:33] <xales> Lampshade: On the 'confirm order' page?
#2390 [16:33] <GreyVulpine> It can, but I'd like to have it /msg
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#2392 [16:34] <Lampshade> Yes
#2393 [16:34] <Lampshade> I'm sure a few extra cents doesn't matter
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#2395 [16:37] <aetherian> hey jared
#2396 [16:38] <xales> hey aetherian
#2397 [16:38] <aetherian> o_O
#2398 [16:38] <aetherian> xales==jared?
#2399 [16:38] <xales> no
#2400 [16:38] <xales> xales=jared
#2401 [16:38] <xales> :P
#2402 [16:38] <aetherian> no...
#2403 [16:38] <xales> yes
#2404 [16:38] <Jared> o.o
#2405 [16:38] <aetherian> that defines xales to equal jared
#2406 [16:38] <xales> indeed
#2407 [16:38] <aetherian> (in some languages)
#2408 [16:38] <xales> in all
#2409 [16:38] <aetherian> but it was predefined
#2410 [16:39] <xales> predefinition doesn't exist
#2411 [16:39] <aetherian> it does (in some theologies)
#2412 [16:39] <xales> the one, and only, fact, is that xales=jared
#2413 [16:39] <Jared> D::
#2414 [16:39] <xahz2011> the euro is outweighing the dollar now?? should be less than 14.95 in another currency...
#2415 [16:39] <aetherian> if (xales==jared)
#2416 [16:40] <aetherian> x+y=7
#2417 [16:41] <dopeghoti> € has been > US$ for a long time now
#2418 [16:42] <aetherian> heh
#2419 [16:42] <aetherian> looong time
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#2421 [16:43] <aetherian> yaaay
#2422 [16:43] <aetherian> it's time to ask questions about mc errors
#2423 [16:43] <aetherian> it's cut off a bit on both sides even when I make the text small
#2424 [16:43] <aetherian> but
#2425 [16:44] <aetherian> oh
#2426 [16:44] <aetherian> in short
#2427 [16:44] <xahz2011> omg damn you sky broadband, 30 second lag is not on....not on...
#2428 [16:44] <aetherian> http response code 503 for the minecraft.net/game/joinserver.jsp?blahblahblah
#2429 [16:45] <Lampshade> Hmm?
#2430 [16:45] <aetherian> blah blah blah is a large string of things
#2431 [16:45] <xales> aetherian: Log out + log back in
#2432 [16:45] <aetherian> mmk
#2433 [16:46] <aetherian> is classic back up yet?
#2434 [16:46] <Lampshade> Noper
#2435 [16:46] <aetherian> awe
#2436 [16:46] <aetherian> shamed
#2437 [16:46] <Lampshade> I just tried
#2438 [16:46] <Mathuin> HEy guys, I need system requirements for a 5-person server of medium size.
#2439 [16:46] <Lampshade> Like, 3 seconds ago
#2440 [16:46] <aetherian> mathuin: 24+ gigabyte RAM hexacore cpu
#2441 [16:47] <aetherian> :)
#2442 [16:47] <xales> Mathuin: Minimum 1GB of ram (for Minecraft alone - the system itself should have 1.5GB minimum and be running Linux)
#2443 [16:47] <xales> 10Mbps or greater upstream
#2444 [16:47] <xales> Any 2.8GHz or better CPU
#2445 [16:47] <xales> that is relatively modern
#2446 [16:47] <aetherian> wait... is Mbps megabits per second, or megabytes?
#2447 [16:47] <Lampshade> Can anyone go on minecraft.net?
#2448 [16:47] <Mathuin> megabit
#2449 [16:48] <Mathuin> megabyte would be MB
#2450 [16:48] <Mathuin> xales: can I run it in 256M if it's just for 4-5 people?
#2451 [16:48] <xales> No
#2452 [16:48] <xales> you need 1GB JUST FOR THE SERVER, for that many people
#2453 [16:48] <Mathuin> I have a shared hosting plan at A2 Hosting, and the guy on the phone said I could get in under the radar if I kept memory usage under that limit. :-(
#2454 [16:48] <xales> the system also uses ram
#2455 [16:48] <xales> Mathuin: LOL
#2456 [16:48] <GreyVulpine> Gah, nope
#2457 [16:48] <xales> that wouldn't work
#2458 [16:48] <Mathuin> I know the system uses RAM, I meant just for that process.
#2459 [16:48] <xales> not even close
#2460 [16:48] <statik> dose minecraft even use multi core cpu's?
#2461 [16:48] <xales> Mathuin: 1GB just for the process
#2462 [16:49] <GreyVulpine> statik - No.
#2463 [16:49] <xales> statik: Nope
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#2465 [16:49] <xales> Mathuin: Besides, you need to be able to install Java, which they probably won't have on a shared hosting box
#2466 [16:49] <xales> and...that wouldn't work anyway
#2467 [16:49] <Mathuin> xales: I can have them install Java, or even install it locally.
#2468 [16:50] <xales> Mathuin: Doesn't matter. Not anywhere near enough RAM
#2469 [16:50] <xales> and the system will need much more CPU time and disk IO than a shared server will let you use
#2470 [16:51] <Mathuin> Just downloaded the server, it says 1024M required, which makes sense.
#2471 [16:52] <Lampshade> Anyone know why it takes so long to go to Minecraft.net?
#2472 [16:52] <xales> Lampshade: Because of the server problems
#2473 [16:52] <Mathuin> I started it with 256M, and I am able to run around all by my lonesome. Heh.
#2474 [16:52] <Lampshade> Again?
#2475 [16:53] <Mathuin> And yay skins work.
#2476 [16:53] <xales> Mathuin: More than 1GB is needed for more players
#2477 [16:53] <Lampshade> Bahh, Classic and The Main site is down?
#2478 [16:53] <xales> Lampshade: The problems haven't just magically gone away. They are still there
#2479 [16:53] <Lampshade> I know
#2480 [16:53] <Lampshade> I can lie to myself and say it's laggy because he's fixing classic
#2481 [16:54] <Mathuin> Where does the server look for the world? I see [INFO] Preparing level "world" but where on the file system is that likely to be?
#2482 [16:54] <xales> Mathuin: In the folder 'world' where the server binary is
#2483 [16:55] <Mathuin> Well, where I executed it anyway.
#2484 [16:56] <Mathuin> Creating a BlockIsland instance to see how hard that is...
#2485 [17:00] <Mathuin> Hmm. The Minecraft *client* uses a crapload of memory, let alone the server.
#2486 [17:01] <NinjaKirby> Wow, Mute in the main channel, or is it genuinely quiet?
#2487 [17:02] <xales> not muted
#2488 [17:02] <NinjaKirby> Impressive.
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#2490 [17:03] <GreyVulpine> It happens
#2491 [17:03] <NinjaKirby> Login Servers sketchy again eh
#2492 [17:03] <aetherian> darnit
#2493 [17:03] <NinjaKirby> Woot, made it
#2494 [17:04] <aetherian> other people in house sucking up bandwidth ftl
#2495 [17:08] <statik> aetherian: yes
#2496 [17:09] <statik> ftl
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#2499 [17:16] <Mathuin> Okay, started up the server with 256M again, this time with a "real world" that's about three million square meters.
#2500 [17:17] <Mathuin> The world is taking a long time to start up. :-)
#2501 [17:17] <Mathuin> I have connected to it from my EeePC, a crappy little laptop.
#2502 [17:19] <Mathuin> I get those can't-keep-up messages but I've been told before those aren't a big deal.
#2503 [17:20] <GreyVulpine> They aren't
#2504 [17:21] <Mathuin> After I eat breakfast (sigh) I'll configure my router and send a PM with an IP to a couple of people.
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#2510 [17:35] <Mathuin> Okay, what port does Minecraft use?
#2511 [17:35] <GreyVulpine> 25565
#2512 [17:35] <GreyVulpine> TCP
#2513 [17:36] <Mathuin> I have a Verizon FiOS modem. if anyone's set up a MC server to pass through, feel free to make suggestions on how it's done. :-)
#2514 [17:38] <GreyVulpine> modem, or combination modem/router?
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#2516 [17:38] <Mathuin> It's my firewall and whatever else.
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#2518 [17:39] <GreyVulpine> Are you hooked up to the modem itself?
#2519 [17:40] <Mathuin> The modem has four ports on it, which are connected to switches, and I'm connected to a switch.
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#2521 [17:44] <GreyVulpine> switches?
#2522 [17:44] <Mathuin> Ethernet switches.
#2523 [17:44] <GreyVulpine> Ah, okay. just a switch, not a NAT router
#2524 [17:44] * aetherian is away: ping me if ya need me. Which you don't. won't. whatever.
#2524 [17:45] <Mathuin> The device itself is a router, though.
#2525 [17:45] <Mathuin> I run RFC1918 space behind it.
#2526 [17:45] <Tanka> any news on when the Classic servers will be back?
#2527 [17:45] <GreyVulpine> Well, then it should be pretty simple to port forward the modem/router itself
#2528 [17:46] <GreyVulpine> Tanka - No ETA on that, sorry.
#2529 [17:46] <Tanka> :(
#2530 [17:47] <Atrum\> im looking for tips/ guides for setting up a bukkit server in windows
#2531 [17:47] <GreyVulpine> Try #bukkit
#2532 [17:47] <Atrum\> thanks
#2533 [17:47] <NinjaKirby> ...
#2534 [17:52] <ziggo0`> Can creepers explode when no one is around?
#2535 [17:53] <lemon-rev> yes
#2536 [17:54] <ziggo0`> And your 100% sure of this?
#2537 [17:54] <ziggo0`> like players arent around and creeper crateres magicly appear....they are at each others throats over this xD
#2538 [17:54] <NinjaKirby> Really? On servers they do seem to be incredibly delayed sometimes, but ultimately a players presence is required, that *i've* seen
#2539 [17:55] <aetherian> aww hell, I fail
#2540 [17:55] <aetherian> soon as the guy starts filming, I DC and can't connect
#2541 [17:55] <aetherian> and then java freezes
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#2543 [18:01] <Houndoom> >>
#2544 [18:01] <Houndoom> skins still not working? >.<
#2545 [18:01] <GreyVulpine> Skins work, changer works, previewer is disabled still
#2546 [18:02] <Houndoom> mine won't upload
#2547 [18:02] <Houndoom> There was an error while saving the skin.
#2548 [18:02] <Houndoom> java.lang.NullPointerException
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#2550 [18:02] <Houndoom> :<
#2551 [18:02] <GreyVulpine> Hmm
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#2553 [18:04] <Houndoom> guy with same problem, sorta:
#2554 [18:04] <Houndoom> http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=156008
#2555 [18:04] <Houndoom> D;
#2556 [18:05] <Houndoom> though if I remember right, the page wasn't up yesterday.. so yeah that's odd
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#2558 [18:08] <Houndoom> feh.. I used the direct changer thing with minecraftskins.com like that guy did, got the same error
#2559 [18:08] <Houndoom> but I still can't upload it from my computer Dx
#2560 [18:10] <Houndoom> GreyVulpine, you still there?
#2561 [18:10] <aetherian> heh
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#2563 [18:12] <GreyVulpine> Hmm?
#2564 [18:12] <Houndoom> :/
#2565 [18:12] <Houndoom> no thoughts on it?
#2566 [18:12] <GreyVulpine> Hmm... I get that now as well
#2567 [18:12] <GreyVulpine> Was working fine this morning
#2568 [18:13] <Houndoom> :/
#2569 [18:16] <ArmEagle> hmm, 'they' made hmod work with the current version again?
#2570 [18:17] <SkiingPenguins> they being bukkit, i dont think so
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#2573 [18:18] <ArmEagle> cause friends have a server on multiplay and it seems to be running hmod
#2574 [18:18] <ArmEagle> so they say
#2575 [18:18] <Houndoom> :/
#2576 [18:19] <Houndoom> the server I play on has unofficial hMod
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#2578 [18:21] <GreyVulpine> There's unofficial updates to hmod, which kinda make it work again
#2579 [18:21] <GreyVulpine> kmod is one example
#2580 [18:21] <GreyVulpine> But it doesn't fully work
#2581 [18:21] <Houndoom> feh
#2582 [18:22] <Houndoom> I've got every command I used to.. >>;
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#2587 [18:32] <Kealper> well then....that was interesting
#2588 [18:32] <Kealper> whoops, wrong channel...
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#2591 [18:36] <Atrum> #bukkit
#2592 [18:36] <SkiingPenguins> ?
#2593 [18:38] <Zw> Damn, got the same java error
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#2595 [18:40] <Zw> ok, 10nd time i get this error and server shut down: http://pastebin.com/JH3PMGi4
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#2597 [18:42] <GreyVulpine> !ping
#2598 [18:43] <Zw> i updated java
#2599 [18:43] <Zw> and everything
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#2602 [18:43] <Zw> 10nd time i get this error and server shut down: http://pastebin.com/JH3PMGi4 , I updated Java, Restarted several times, puttet more memory into Java. Etc. But still this. Started yesterday.
#2603 [18:44] <buckb_> Help!
#2604 [18:44] <xales> buckb_: With?
#2605 [18:44] <buckb_> xales: i was in here the other day, sudo/chmod a+x on my start.command file werent working
#2606 [18:45] <xales> Zw: What are the specs of the computer you are trying to run it on
#2607 [18:45] <xales> buckb_: Is it still not working?
#2608 [18:45] <buckb_> xales: correct
#2609 [18:45] <xales> obtw Kealper
#2610 [18:45] <xales> buckb_: What is the name of the folder that start.command is in
#2611 [18:45] <buckb_> minecraft_server
#2612 [18:46] <Mathuin> Awesome. If you're building a world, you can make one of those doors that has only the bottom half like you see in old houses. :-)
#2613 [18:46] <xales> and what is the chmod command you were trying to use?
#2614 [18:46] <buckb_> the one thats starts the mc server
#2615 [18:46] <buckb_> xales: #!/bin/bash
#2616 [18:46] <buckb_> cd "`dirname "$0"`"
#2617 [18:46] <buckb_> java -Xmx1G -Xms1G -jar minecraft_server.jar
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#2619 [18:47] <Kealper> lolwut
#2620 [18:47] <Houndoom> well
#2621 [18:47] <Houndoom> if you guys can't fix the skin problems
#2622 [18:47] <xales> Kealper: I have something for you
#2623 [18:47] <Houndoom> I'm going to leave now :/
#2624 [18:47] <GreyVulpine> We can't fix it, sorry.
#2625 [18:47] <xales> buckb_: No, I mean what command are you trying to use to chmod it
#2626 [18:47] <Houndoom> mhmm
#2627 [18:47] <Houndoom> I'll be back later.. maybe
#2628 [18:47] <Houndoom> kbai
#2629 [18:47] <xales> Kealper, GreyVulpine, tell me if this works properly. http://public:0000@darksigns.net/xales/mchelper.exe
#2630 [18:47] <buckb_> chmod a+x
#2631 [18:48] <xales> buckb_: What is the whole command?
#2632 [18:48] <buckb_> i used sudo, then chmod a+x then dragged the start.command file into terminal
#2633 [18:48] <GreyVulpine> Try just chmod +x
#2634 [18:48] <buckb_> k one sec
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#2636 [18:49] <buckb_> Permisssion denied
#2637 [18:49] <GreyVulpine> sudo chmod +x?
#2638 [18:49] <xales> buckb_: You have to put sudo before it
#2639 [18:49] <xales> `sudo chmod +x (drag)'
#2640 [18:49] <buckb_> i did that, still not working
#2641 [18:50] <xales> what does it say
#2642 [18:50] <xales> 'not working' doesn't help.
#2643 [18:50] <buckb_> -bash: /Users/buck/Desktop/minecraft_server/start.command: Permission denied
#2644 [18:50] <buckb_> Buck-Billings-MacBook-Pro-Uni:~ buck$
#2645 [18:51] <xales> copy and paste this
#2646 [18:51] <SkiingPenguins> you dont have permission to use it even as sudo? O_o
#2647 [18:51] <xales> 'sudo chmod +x ~/Desktop/minecraft_server/start.command'
#2648 [18:51] <xales> without the quotes at each end
#2649 [18:52] <xales> SkiingPenguins: Permission denied isn't the error when you chmod a file you don't own
#2650 [18:52] <xales> example
#2651 [18:52] <xales> chmod +x /etc/passwd (01-29 18:52)
#2652 [18:52] <xales> chmod: changing permissions of `/etc/passwd': Operation not permitted
#2653 [18:52] <SkiingPenguins> oh. sorry i dont use macs or linux often >.<
#2654 [18:52] <xales> lol, no problem. easy mistake to make
#2655 [18:52] <buckb_> it did not say permission denied this time
#2656 [18:53] <buckb_> i think it worked!
#2657 [18:53] <buckb_> YES! it worked!
#2658 [18:53] <xales> Kealper, did you look at that
#2659 [18:53] <xales> buckb_: :)
#2660 [18:53] <buckb_> Thanks so much guys!!
#2661 [18:53] <ciaron> are there any game server companies that provide minecraft servers yet?
#2662 [18:53] <xales> ciaron: Many
#2663 [18:53] <buckb_> I have been without server for a week, my friends are so mad
#2664 [18:53] <Kealper> xales: i am now
#2665 [18:53] <xales> Kealper: Just run it ._.
#2666 [18:53] <xales> its 7kb
#2667 [18:54] <buckb_> !!!! :) !!!!
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#2669 [18:54] <ciaron> xales: any particular 1 or 2 you recommend?
#2670 [18:54] <xales> ciaron: Look at Multiplay and Allgamer
#2671 [18:54] <ciaron> cheers
#2672 [18:54] <Kealper> xales: seems to work lol
#2673 [18:55] <xales> Kealper: I'm including a thing for external IP, and whatever else I might be able to think of
#2674 [18:55] <xales> any other ideas?
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#2676 [18:55] <xales> (Its in pure Win32, so it is going to be small and run on anything you can imagine)
#2677 [18:55] <Kealper> iono.....
#2678 [18:57] <Kealper> it should test all addresses that it finds to see what one has internet access
#2679 [18:59] <xales> That isn't really that easy to do >.>
#2680 [18:59] <xales> its meant more as a diagnosis application for us to have people run and give us the output
#2681 [19:01] <GreyVulpine> Blarg
#2682 [19:01] <GreyVulpine> xales - "This application has failed to start because MSVCR100.dll was not found......"
#2683 [19:02] <xales> GreyVulpine: >.>
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#2685 [19:04] <GreyVulpine> This is on an old compy...
#2686 [19:05] <GreyVulpine> So yeah
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#2690 [19:07] <Menthols> Hi everyone can i get some help please? :)
#2691 [19:07] <GreyVulpine> Perhaps
#2692 [19:07] <Menthols> I just purchased minecraft to play online.. and i cant seem to connect to any servers whitelisted or not.. the most common error i keep comming up with is Internal exception : java.io.IOException: Bad packet id 150
#2693 [19:08] <Menthols> I dono if im trying to join dead servers or what.. but i really wanna get online :(
#2694 [19:09] <GreyVulpine> Try greyvulpine.dyndns.org
#2695 [19:09] <Menthols> Ok
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#2697 [19:09] <Menthols> Oh nice im in it.. so am i just choosing bad servers?
#2698 [19:09] <GreyVulpine> Yup
#2699 [19:10] <Menthols> IS there any updated list i can get? of some good servers
#2700 [19:10] <GreyVulpine> Sorry, nope
#2701 [19:10] <midnightdirge> is the game down for everyone or just me? sorry, im sure everyone asks this
#2702 [19:10] <Menthols> aw :( well ty for the help now i know its the servers not me :P
#2703 [19:10] <midnightdirge> maybe notch will make skins local
#2704 [19:12] <midnightdirge> why *bang head* does *banghead* no *banghead* one *band head* ever *bang head* think *band head* of *band head* these *banghead* things
#2705 [19:12] <GreyVulpine> You, can, by including the skin file in your minecraft.jar
#2706 [19:12] <SkiingPenguins> o_o you obviously have some issues
#2707 [19:12] <midnightdirge> minecraft would be working now with local skins
#2708 [19:12] <midnightdirge> hmm... ill look into it
#2709 [19:13] <midnightdirge> grey, will minecraft work then?
#2710 [19:13] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#2711 [19:13] <midnightdirge> sweet
#2712 [19:13] <GreyVulpine> Wait, what do you mean "work"?
#2713 [19:13] <GreyVulpine> Minecraft has been working.
#2714 [19:13] <midnightdirge> any specifics where i put it?
#2715 [19:13] <midnightdirge> just standard skins?
#2716 [19:13] <midnightdirge> with the block skins?
#2717 [19:14] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, just the standard /.minecraft/bin/minecraft.jar file
#2718 [19:15] <GreyVulpine> I believe it's just root .jar
#2719 [19:15] <GreyVulpine> May need to experiment/google it
#2720 [19:15] <midnightdirge> oh, when i start minecraft.jar, i log in, then it displays a java error... i can only assume it has something to do with the skins problem on the site
#2721 [19:15] <midnightdirge> thanks
#2722 [19:15] <midnightdirge> im always messing around in .minecraft
#2723 [19:15] <GreyVulpine> Wait.. what java error?
#2724 [19:15] <GreyVulpine> Can you pastebin it?
#2725 [19:15] <midnightdirge> i assume i name it char.png?
#2726 [19:15] <midnightdirge> oh sure\
#2727 [19:15] <GreyVulpine> pastebin.com
#2728 [19:16] <midnightdirge> wait, what.
#2729 [19:16] <GreyVulpine> don't paste the entire thing here in chat
#2730 [19:16] <GreyVulpine> Use www.pastebin.com
#2731 [19:16] <midnightdirge> i can tell you there errors without spammage
#2732 [19:17] <midnightdirge> plus, i dont know anything about pastebin
#2733 [19:17] <GreyVulpine> If it's just a few lines, sure
#2734 [19:17] <GreyVulpine> pastebin, you just copy text in there, press button, get URL back
#2735 [19:17] <midnightdirge> java.lang.IllegalStateException: Only one LWJGL context may be instantiated at any one time. at org.lwjgl.opengl.Display.create(Display.java:846) at org.lwjgl.opengl.Display.create(Display.java:784) at org.lwjgl.opengl.Display.create(Display.java:765) at net.minecraft.client.Minecraft.a(SourceFile:243) at net.minecraft.client.Minecraft.run(SourceFile:606
#2736 [19:17] <GreyVulpine> That's not a skin error
#2737 [19:17] <midnightdirge> i assumed if it was a display error, it had something to do with the skin
#2738 [19:17] <midnightdirge> what?
#2739 [19:18] <midnightdirge> hmm...
#2740 [19:18] <GreyVulpine> That's either, you have minecraft already open, or java's got some issues
#2741 [19:18] <GreyVulpine> and you need to update it
#2742 [19:18] <midnightdirge> okay, no prob
#2743 [19:18] <midnightdirge> ill skim through the SoMan, and if that fails, PackMan (lol not to be confused with pacman as i learned and now fear)
#2744 [19:19] <GreyVulpine> (and plus, skins are working, the only reason you want skins in your minecraft.jar, is if you have no connection to the internet to get it online)
#2745 [19:19] <midnightdirge> arch rocks, but it would be more fun if i know how to get to desktop
#2746 [19:19] <GreyVulpine> desktop?
#2747 [19:19] <midnightdirge> ah, i thou... oh, that makes sense
#2748 [19:19] <midnightdirge> arch linux... i got it installed alongside mint, though im gunna change mint for slacker later
#2749 [19:20] <GreyVulpine> Ah
#2750 [19:20] <midnightdirge> im presently in the info bash section of learning
#2751 [19:20] <midnightdirge> pretty fun, in a 'people will think that you are a psychotic' kinda way
#2752 [19:20] <GreyVulpine> I've had a person on here before, reporting some.. difficulties with getting minecraft working on arch
#2753 [19:20] <midnightdirge> ah
#2754 [19:21] <midnightdirge> i gotta say, im hopnig that slackers are going to be cooler than minters... im already band from help chat by that borderline Gazza [individual of explitive description]
#2755 [19:21] <midnightdirge> allmyrage etc
#2756 [19:22] <xales> Kealper: Test again please :) http://public:0000@darksigns.net/xales/mchelper.exe
#2757 [19:22] * GreyVulpine stabs xales, "Any way you can include that dll in that exe?
#2757 [19:23] <xales> GreyVulpine: It is the runtime DLL, its in the 2010 redistributable
#2758 [19:23] <xales> I'll see if I can compile it against an older version, one sec
#2759 [19:23] <midnightdirge> ya know, i think im gonig to lose my mind if this java fixup doesnt work... i finaly figured out why server.jar wasnt working... doesnt work on 32 bit, and wasnt sure what my system was at the time
#2760 [19:23] <GreyVulpine> bah, I can't even get it running on my vista 64 laptop
#2761 [19:24] <GreyVulpine> Need to update runtime
#2762 [19:24] <GreyVulpine> er, .net, or whatever
#2763 [19:24] <xales> GreyVulpine: Not using .net, its the C runtime :P
#2764 [19:24] <xales> anyway, try now
#2765 [19:24] <xales> I compiled against 09
#2766 [19:24] <GreyVulpine> Works on the lappy
#2767 [19:24] <midnightdirge> well, installing sun if that helps
#2768 [19:25] <midnightdirge> kinda wading through system files
#2769 [19:25] <midnightdirge> using java 6 right now
#2770 [19:25] <xales> midnightdirge: I know what that error is
#2771 [19:25] <xales> you need to use the full driver
#2772 [19:25] <xales> not the one built into the kernel
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#2774 [19:25] <Jackson413> hi all
#2775 [19:25] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, neat, works now on the old computer
#2776 [19:25] <midnightdirge> realy?.... wait, waht, ive only been on linux for about 4 months
#2777 [19:26] <Jackson413> i am wondering if it is possible to modify ceiling height?
#2778 [19:26] <xales> midnightdirge: I'm going to assume you have an nvidia card, you need to change nouveau for the Nvidia binary driver
#2779 [19:26] <xales> Jackson413: Nope
#2780 [19:26] <Jackson413> darn
#2781 [19:26] <Jackson413> ok
#2782 [19:26] <xales> midnightdirge: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Nvidia
#2783 [19:26] <Kealper> xales: now just figure out what adapters have internet access and what ones do not..and throw like a green "Internet access" or a red "No Internet access" to the side of the adapter's address
#2784 [19:26] <xales> Kealper: That would be a not-easy-to-accomplish task
#2785 [19:26] <midnightdirge> i dont know how xales... wait a min before you answer, im going for a smoke.... also, im presently using mint
#2786 [19:26] <Jackson413> are there any modes that can do it?
#2787 [19:26] <xales> and is not really worth it
#2788 [19:26] <Jackson413> mods i mean?
#2789 [19:27] <xales> Jackson413: No, it is not possible, even with mods.
#2790 [19:27] <Jackson413> ok then thats all
#2791 [19:27] <xales> midnightdirge: You'll need to enable proprietary drivers them, I'm not sure how to do that in Mint
#2792 [19:27] <xales> you should ask Kealper
#2793 [19:28] <Kealper> wut
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#2795 [19:29] <xales> Kealper: Proprietary/binary drivers on Mint
#2796 [19:30] <Kealper> it should show it in the installing updates thing, it'll say that there is a proprietary driver avaiable, and ask if you want to install that instead
#2797 [19:30] <midnightdirge> back
#2798 [19:31] <midnightdirge> hrm... i can download the drivers off the site, but im not sure what card i use
#2799 [19:32] <midnightdirge> i cant seem to get system information very easy on this
#2800 [19:32] <midnightdirge> been trying for a while
#2801 [19:32] <xales> midnightdirge: You wouldn't download it from the site
#2802 [19:32] <xales> look at what Kealper said just above :)
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#2804 [19:32] <Lampshade> Guys
#2805 [19:32] <Lampshade> Classic servers are up!
#2806 [19:33] <midnightdirge> ummm... any chance anyone knows what i should type into term or what to search for in the PackMan
#2807 [19:34] <midnightdirge> ive looked up nvidia drivers on there before
#2808 [19:34] <midnightdirge> downloaded em all not knowing
#2809 [19:34] <Lampshade> What?
#2810 [19:35] <Kealper> .set motd Welcome to #MineCraftHelp! Don't ask to ask, just ask! Remember to read our rules! http://mchelp.darksigns.net/rules.html
#2811 [19:35] <Lampshade> Hey, Server list is up
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#2813 [19:36] <midnightdirge> like i said, ive only been on linux for about 4 months... Frankly, im still a little bricked by the lack of simple .exe
#2814 [19:36] <Oranges> how do i regester
#2815 [19:36] <Oranges> my nick name
#2816 [19:36] <Kealper> type /msg nickserv help register
#2817 [19:36] <Lampshade> No idea
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#2819 [19:36] <Lampshade> So, anyone as happy as I am?
#2820 [19:36] <Lampshade> Servers are back up
#2821 [19:37] <Oranges> ok i did that
#2822 [19:37] <Lampshade> And no one has an orgasm?
#2823 [19:37] <Oranges> am i regesterd?
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#2825 [19:37] <Kealper> no
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#2827 [19:38] <Oranges> ...
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#2829 [19:38] <Pirate-Jake> Hey guys?
#2830 [19:38] <GreyVulpine> 'lo
#2831 [19:38] <Lampshade> Yes?
#2832 [19:38] <Kealper> arrr
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#2834 [19:38] <Lampshade> Grey-Servers are back up
#2835 [19:38] <squiggy> hi, i have done ewerything with my minecraft server. when im logging in it takes a wilt then i ger a messenge: Internal client error: java.net.connectExeption: connectiom reset
#2836 [19:38] <Oranges> when i do it it dosent do anything
#2837 [19:38] <GreyVulpine> Hey xales, can you include a tracert in your program as well?
#2838 [19:38] <Pirate-Jake> I just got a internal client error: Java.net.connectexception
#2839 [19:38] <Stribbs> PEOPLE ACTUALLY USE THIS CHANNEL?!
#2840 [19:38] <Stribbs> lul
#2841 [19:38] <GreyVulpine> Indeed
#2842 [19:38] <Oranges> lol
#2843 [19:38] <Pirate-Jake> : connection refused: connect etc
#2844 [19:39] <xales> GreyVulpine: That would be...difficult
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#2846 [19:39] <Pirate-Jake> Hwo can we fix this :o
#2847 [19:39] <xales> Pirate-Jake: The server you are trying to connect to is not running
#2848 [19:39] <Oranges> 71.113.175.187 if u wana join...
#2849 [19:39] <esper_djsjfo> !check townserver.no-ip.biz
#2850 [19:39] <esper_djsjfo> aw
#2851 [19:39] <Stribbs> xales, haha is was up. Just kinda went all gay.
#2852 [19:39] <Oranges> !check
#2853 [19:39] <xales> Oranges: When you run it, it tells you how to register. It doesn't automatically register
#2854 [19:39] <Stribbs> xales, , looks like it was timing out with the auth server.
#2855 [19:39] <squiggy> help plz
#2856 [19:39] <xales> The command to register is
#2857 [19:39] <Oranges> no it dosent
#2858 [19:39] <Oranges> lol
#2859 [19:40] <xales> /msg nickserv register password email
#2860 [19:40] <xales> squiggy: With?
#2861 [19:40] <midnightdirge> can this be read?
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#2863 [19:40] <GreyVulpine> Yes midnightdirge
#2864 [19:40] <midnightdirge> okay
#2865 [19:40] <squiggy> 2 sec
#2866 [19:40] <squiggy> hi, i have done ewerything with my minecraft server. when im logging in it takes a wilt then i ger a messenge: Internal client error: java.net.connectExeption: connectiom reset
#2867 [19:40] <squiggy> that
#2868 [19:40] <Lampshade> Guys, Classic servers are up
#2869 [19:40] <Pirate-Jake> squiggy
#2870 [19:40] <squiggy> ?
#2871 [19:40] <Pirate-Jake> its back up
#2872 [19:40] <Lampshade> Yes
#2873 [19:41] <midnightdirge> like life, linux is one of those thing where you're expected to know alot of junk, yet its phenomenal to know anything useful... beats windows of course
#2874 [19:41] <Oranges> oke i did that so am i now regesterd?
#2875 [19:41] <squiggy> ahh
#2876 [19:41] <xales> Oranges: Look what it sent you back
#2877 [19:41] <xales> it has more instructions
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#2880 [19:42] <m1r02> Hello?
#2881 [19:42] <Lampshade> Hello
#2882 [19:42] <m1r02> I have a problem connecting to SMP servers
#2883 [19:43] <midnightdirge> hey, how do i get the drivers working assuming i downloaded the right one
#2884 [19:43] <xales> m1r02: What error do you get?
#2885 [19:43] <m1r02> whenever I attempt to connect to any server on the mcserverlist, it show a different error message
#2886 [19:43] <Oranges> it said something about my password not haveing the rite thing
#2887 [19:43] <xales> midnightdirge: You download them from the package manager
#2888 [19:43] <m1r02> It's not the same one
#2889 [19:43] <xales> Oranges: Go to #help
#2890 [19:43] <xales> m1r02: What is your username?
#2891 [19:43] <Oranges> #help
#2892 [19:43] <m1r02> why?
#2893 [19:43] <Oranges> ??
#2894 [19:43] <xales> So I can check that Minecraft.net is verifying you correctly
#2895 [19:43] <m1r02> m1r0
#2896 [19:43] <xales> Oranges: type /join #help
#2897 [19:44] <xales> m1r02: What error are you getting?
#2898 [19:44] <m1r02> A different one every time
#2899 [19:45] <xales> Which one do you get?
#2900 [19:45] <m1r02> right now its, INternal Client Error: java.net.connectexception: Connection refused: Connect
#2901 [19:45] <midnightdirge> so, i guess i restart after the downloads are done?
#2902 [19:45] <m1r02> but its different every time
#2903 [19:45] <esper_djsjfo> m1r02: you trying to join a server?
#2904 [19:45] <m1r02> Internal Exception: java.io. ....
#2905 [19:46] <m1r02> Yes
#2906 [19:46] <m1r02> I've tried different servers too
#2907 [19:46] <esper_djsjfo> oooh that happened to me
#2908 [19:46] <GreyVulpine> m1r02 - Can you try greyvulpine.dyndns.org
#2909 [19:46] <esper_djsjfo> it fixed itself after a minute or so
#2910 [19:46] <midnightdirge> its working :D praise the lord and pass the ammunition, Old Iron should be up soon
#2911 [19:46] <m1r02> now its working
#2912 [19:46] <midnightdirge> thank you so much xales and greyvulpine
#2913 [19:46] <m1r02> Hmm...
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#2916 [19:48] <Anthro> howdy gents
#2917 [19:48] <midnightdirge> Anybody welcome btw... not for people who dont like, or cant watch, Valhala Rising... bye all
#2918 [19:48] <midnightdirge> and thanks again
#2919 [19:48] <KillSpammer> :O
#2920 [19:48] <GreyVulpine> 'lo Anthro
#2921 [19:49] <Anthro> so i know we arnt supposed to ask questions about mods
#2922 [19:49] <GreyVulpine> m1r02 - Looks like you're on just fine
#2923 [19:49] <Anthro> but im having troble finding a thread about the general use
#2924 [19:49] <m1r02> I know
#2925 [19:49] <GreyVulpine> So, apparently the servers you've tried, are either down, or not accepting connections
#2926 [19:49] <m1r02> lol
#2927 [19:49] <m1r02> I tried 5 different onees
#2928 [19:49] <KillSpammer> Your allowed to ask questions but most of us don't feel obliged to help you.
#2929 [19:50] <GreyVulpine> There's hundreds of thousands of servers
#2930 [19:50] <Anthro> oh hey xales i got my server running
#2931 [19:50] <KillSpammer> questons about mods*
#2932 [19:50] <m1r02> maybe it was that minecraft.net was having problems for some reasons
#2933 [19:50] <Anthro> i know killspammer
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#2935 [19:50] <KillSpammer> minecraft.net has been having problems for ages...
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#2938 [19:50] <Anthro> if ur able to point me in the right direction it would be appericated
#2939 [19:50] <KillSpammer> Whats your question?
#2940 [19:51] <midnightdirge> its running extremely slow. i had at least 10 frames per second before
#2941 [19:51] <Anthro> just if there is a thread about how to implement downloaded mods correctly
#2942 [19:51] * GreyVulpine pokes xales with /kick
#2942 [19:51] <xales> what?
#2943 [19:51] <midnightdirge> now its down to a little better than one, though that was on 32 bit mint
#2944 [19:51] <GreyVulpine> Try a /kick
#2945 [19:51] <xales> oh, chanserv kick?
#2946 [19:52] <GreyVulpine> um
#2947 [19:52] <KillSpammer> Anthro, it should be in the instructions of the mod.
#2948 [19:52] <GreyVulpine> I don't know
#2949 [19:52] <Anthro> oh? well thats conveninet
#2950 [19:52] <KillSpammer> Anthro, i'm to lazy to guide you
#2951 [19:52] <xales> I'm not VOP, I'd need to be demoted
#2952 [19:52] <xales> TW changed chanserv's kicks
#2953 [19:52] <xales> not the /kick command
#2954 [19:52] <KillSpammer> Plus some mods have additional mods needed to run
#2955 [19:52] <GreyVulpine> Oh, hmm
#2956 [19:52] <xales> so /msg chanserv kick #minecrafthelp name reason
#2957 [19:52] <TrueWolves> Alright
#2958 [19:52] <xales> is what VOPs can do
#2959 [19:52] <Anthro> ahhh i figuard
#2960 [19:52] <TrueWolves> let's elict a person here to be a vop
#2961 [19:52] <GreyVulpine> Cial, ConMan8, dopeghoti, feenyx, mbentley, or xolotl, you there?
#2962 [19:52] <Cial> hm?
#2963 [19:53] <KillSpammer> GreyVulpine, give me op and take it away really fast.
#2964 [19:53] <TrueWolves> Cial, try kicking me
#2965 [19:53] <Anthro> xales i figaurd out what was wrong wiht my server
#2966 [19:53] <xales> Cial: Try kicking True using chanserv
#2967 [19:53] <GreyVulpine> with /cs kick #MineCraftHelp
#2968 [19:53] <Cial> oh
#2969 [19:53] <Cial> whoopse
#2970 [19:53] <GreyVulpine> er, I forget the arguments...
#2971 [19:53] <Anthro> i had the wrong IP address lol
#2972 [19:53] <Anthro> well thanks for the lil help u provided killspammer ^^
#2973 [19:53] * ChanServ kicked TrueWolves from #MineCraftHelp (Reason: KICK by Cial)
#2974 [19:54] <GreyVulpine> Neat
#2975 [19:54] <Cial> it worked
#2976 [19:54] <midnightdirge> has minecraft been running slower for anyone else? Notch mighta dun busted the graphics management
#2977 [19:54] <Cial> took forever but it worked
#2978 [19:54] <midnightdirge> but for me, even the menu is a big framey
#2979 [19:55] <Anthro> could be ur graphics card
#2980 [19:55] <midnightdirge> its a few years old, but it could run knights of the old republic
#2981 [19:55] <KillSpammer> Minecrafts framerates have lowered since the last update.
#2982 [19:55] <midnightdirge> minecraft used to run fine enough for me
#2983 [19:56] <midnightdirge> to 1.3 FPS?
#2984 [19:56] <Cial> i dunno ive gained more FPS recently
#2985 [19:56] <midnightdirge> maybe i should tweak the 'nice' association in the system manager
#2986 [19:56] <KillSpammer> Thats probarly a java or graphics card problem
#2987 [19:56] <midnightdirge> well, i just installed new graphics drivers over the old linux ones
#2988 [19:57] <midnightdirge> nvidia ones
#2989 [19:57] <midnightdirge> so that mc would actualy run *hrm*
#2990 [19:57] <midnightdirge> cpu's clocked
#2991 [19:57] <xales> midnightdirge: What is the model of card?
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#2993 [19:58] <midnightdirge> dont know... 3 or 7 years old depending if it replaced when the motherboard caught fire
#2994 [19:58] <xales> O_o
#2995 [19:59] <xales> run 'lspci'
#2996 [19:59] <xales> and find the line about a video device
#2997 [19:59] <StevenS757> Hey guys, I'm having a strange issue. I downloaded the game, opened it, logged in with my account, and it downloaded the various files it needs. Then the game just closed. I opened the game again and logged in, and the game closed itself again. Its not working through the browser client either. I have the latest version of Java. Can someone tell me whats going on?
#2998 [19:59] <xales> and paste that
#2999 [19:59] <Pirate-Jake> !paid steves757
#3000 [19:59] <xales> StevenS757: Do you have any antivirus/firewall programs?
#3001 [19:59] <midnightdirge> okay, 260ish megs of memory to java, just in the menu... honestly, ill jeck that ispci again, but i think Notch borked it somehow... not to say anything bad about my hero
#3002 [19:59] <StevenS757> you spelled it wrong
#3003 [20:00] <StevenS757> I have norton, let me try disabling it.
#3004 [20:00] <GreyVulpine> StevenS757 - Does it give you a crash report?
#3005 [20:00] <StevenS757> no it doesn't
#3006 [20:00] <StevenS757> just disappears
#3007 [20:00] <xales> yeah...norton
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#3009 [20:00] <tuxxman> Hey, I'm running minecraft server and I'm getting a client side error "Internal exception: java.io.IOException: Bad packet id 72"
#3010 [20:00] <xales> tuxxman: Any mods on the server?
#3011 [20:00] <GreyVulpine> Old server, need to update it
#3012 [20:00] <xales> or that
#3013 [20:01] <tuxxman> no mods, server is up to date
#3014 [20:01] <GreyVulpine> You're sure?
#3015 [20:01] <GreyVulpine> What version is the server running?
#3016 [20:01] <tuxxman> current 1.2.01
#3017 [20:01] <StevenS757> even with norton completely turned off, same issue unfortunately
#3018 [20:02] <StevenS757> when trying to play in browser, the box where the game should be is just blank white
#3019 [20:02] <StevenS757> is there a log file I can check for to see if its leaving crash info?
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#3021 [20:02] <Drule> Ok
#3022 [20:02] <xales> tuxxman: The client is up to date as well?
#3023 [20:02] <Drule> Someone tell me how the fuck to get rid of creepers
#3024 [20:02] <xales> StevenS757: It should be in the folder where the .exe file is
#3025 [20:03] <GreyVulpine> Drule - Turn on peaceful mode
#3026 [20:03] <Drule> I don't know why the fuck they were created in the first place.
#3027 [20:03] <tuxxman> I'm assuming so. 1.2.02 is current, correct?
#3028 [20:03] <Drule> I don't want to get rid of enemies - only creepres.
#3029 [20:03] <Drule> creepers*
#3030 [20:03] <midnightdirge> wjat should i look for in the ispci list?
#3031 [20:03] <StevenS757> ah ha
#3032 [20:03] <GreyVulpine> Drule - In SP or SMP?
#3033 [20:03] <StevenS757> I found the error logs
#3034 [20:03] <StevenS757> java keeps crashing
#3035 [20:03] <Drule> GreyVulpine: SMP
#3036 [20:03] <GreyVulpine> Drule - Check out #bukkit for modding
#3037 [20:03] <StevenS757> but I don't know why
#3038 [20:03] <xales> StevenS757: Paste one of the error logs on http://pastebin.com/
#3039 [20:05] <StevenS757> http://pastebin.com/R2RCNaTJ
#3040 [20:05] <midnightdirge> GeForce 6150SE nForce 430 would this be it?
#3041 [20:06] <xales> midnightdirge: Indeed, I believe so
#3042 [20:06] <midnightdirge> i know its not anceint, though not modern
#3043 [20:06] <xales> one sec
#3044 [20:06] <xales> StevenS757: You need to update your graphics card drivers
#3045 [20:06] <StevenS757> is it that simple? ok will do. I'll report back my findings
#3046 [20:06] <StevenS757> didn't even think to check that cuz other games were ok
#3047 [20:07] <xales> midnightdirge: It can probably barely run it, make sure you are using the right driver though
#3048 [20:07] <midnightdirge> it used to barely run it... i downloaded all drivers without weird junk after the name, which -dev is the only one i understand
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#3050 [20:08] <xales> you should probably use the drivers from the package manager
#3051 [20:08] <xales> not directly download them
#3052 [20:08] <midnightdirge> oh i did get em there
#3053 [20:08] <cookw24> So hey, I've got a quick question about launching the application on OSX (10.6.6)
#3054 [20:08] <GreyVulpine> shoot
#3055 [20:09] <midnightdirge> ill try package manager instead of software
#3056 [20:09] <cookw24> I've tried using both Chrome and Safari, but nothing loads in Chrome and everything crashes on Safari (both latest official releases), and the desktop app bounces once in the dock then fc's, any ideas?
#3057 [20:10] <midnightdirge> whats a transitional package?
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#3059 [20:10] <xales> cookw24: What model of Mac is it?
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#3062 [20:10] <cookw24_> MBP 2.53 Intel Core 2 duo, running 4GB ram
#3063 [20:10] <midnightdirge> ive been studying the minecraft graphics management... conclusion: all non-visible is culled exept lava
#3064 [20:11] <midnightdirge> the lava is whats slowing down minecraft
#3065 [20:11] <midnightdirge> any one albe to relay this to notch?
#3066 [20:11] <midnightdirge> i mean, this is pretty dang imporatn
#3067 [20:11] <xales> I can tell someone
#3068 [20:11] <GreyVulpine> Notch is on vacation
#3069 [20:11] <midnightdirge> tahnk you
#3070 [20:11] <xales> They probably know about it
#3071 [20:12] <xales> cookw24: www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml
#3072 [20:12] <midnightdirge> also, any news about the new gphx planned?
#3073 [20:12] <midnightdirge> im just vurious if they are going to increase rez any... i wouldnt mind a 128x base skin
#3074 [20:12] <cookw24> I've got the latest java, just did a system update and reboot just to double check before I logged on
#3075 [20:12] <cookw24> ^report is clear
#3076 [20:13] <midnightdirge> oh, good news... as far as i know, an icrease of resolution if its put in shouldnt increase graphical bog much
#3077 [20:13] <midnightdirge> i mean, skin res
#3078 [20:13] <xales> cookw24: Do you have any 'antivirus' or 'security' programs on it?
#3079 [20:13] <cookw24> nope
#3080 [20:14] <cookw24> Let me double check that the firewall is down though
#3081 [20:14] <xales> when you say the desktop app force quits, what exactly does it do?
#3082 [20:14] <xales> does it give you an option to report it to apple?
#3083 [20:14] <midnightdirge> hmm... are gphx drivers something that increase general efficency in the GPU?
#3084 [20:14] <cookw24> balloons once, but doesn't launch
#3085 [20:14] <xales> midnightdirge: Yes
#3086 [20:14] <midnightdirge> thanks
#3087 [20:15] <cookw24> yepp, firewall is down
#3088 [20:15] <xales> cookw24: Is there anything popping up or opening at all?
#3089 [20:15] <midnightdirge> hmm... im trying to think if distance culling still applies to lava
#3090 [20:15] <midnightdirge> ive never noticed the game getting slower with bigger maps
#3091 [20:15] <cookw24> no, it does the zoom-ish effect if I try to execute from desktop, and just bounces if in the dock, no prompt to send report to Apple
#3092 [20:15] <midnightdirge> i swear faster, but i have a habbit of stockpiling lava
#3093 [20:16] <xales> midnightdirge: It doesn't render chunks that you aren't near
#3094 [20:16] <xales> cookw24: open up Terminal, and run the following commands, in order
#3095 [20:16] <xales> mkdir mctest
#3096 [20:16] <xales> cd mctest
#3097 [20:16] <midnightdirge> al, exelent
#3098 [20:16] <xales> curl -o minecraft.jar http://www.minecraft.net/download/minecraft.jar
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#3100 [20:16] <xales> java -jar minecraft.jar
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#3102 [20:18] <cookw24> xales: launched! I was wondering if I was missing anything, but the first time I ran from safari it downloaded a few packages
#3103 [20:18] <xales> cookw24: O_o I wasn't really expecting that to work
#3104 [20:19] <StevenS757> Ok, it was the video driver. thanks for the help guys
#3105 [20:19] <xales> it was just supposed to give the error it was encountering
#3106 [20:19] <xales> StevenS757: No problem
#3107 [20:19] <cookw24> xales: I closed the session and tried to relaunch from the application, no go
#3108 [20:20] <xales> cookw24: Try placing the application in the Applications folder
#3109 [20:20] <xales> and see if it will launch if you double-click it in that folder
#3110 [20:20] <xales> it could just be a permission issue or something =\
#3111 [20:21] <cookw24> nope, same result
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#3113 [20:21] <xales> run this command in terminal, then try launching it from Applications again
#3114 [20:21] <aetherian> hey guys
#3115 [20:21] <aetherian> I'm back
#3116 [20:21] <aetherian> got a haircut
#3117 [20:21] <GreyVulpine> He's running it on a mac, xales?
#3118 [20:21] <xales> rm -rf ~/Library/Application\ Support/.minecraft/bin
#3119 [20:21] <xales> GreyVulpine: Indeed
#3120 [20:22] <GreyVulpine> Get him to launch the mac version in terminal
#3121 [20:22] <xales> I did
#3122 [20:22] <xales> it worked fine
#3123 [20:22] <GreyVulpine> Not the .jar
#3124 [20:22] <xales> oh
#3125 [20:22] <GreyVulpine> the mac version
#3126 [20:22] <xales> I see
#3127 [20:22] <cookw24> still nothing
#3128 [20:22] <xales> cookw24: ok, try running this then
#3129 [20:23] <cookw24> to run it from terminal do I just cd into applications?
#3130 [20:23] <xales> open /Applications/Minecraft.app
#3131 [20:23] <midnightdirge> jeeze... still runnnig into problems
#3132 [20:23] <midnightdirge> installed nvidia-current
#3133 [20:23] <midnightdirge> didnt seem to kick in it seems
#3134 [20:23] <xales> midnightdirge: It may not be the right driver, the card is pretty old
#3135 [20:24] <midnightdirge> maybe its running the first nvidia drivers i installed
#3136 [20:24] <xales> you may need a specific driver, named something different
#3137 [20:24] <midnightdirge> okay
#3138 [20:24] <xales> try googling around a bit, look on the site for your distro
#3139 [20:24] <midnightdirge> i have three drivers installed
#3140 [20:24] <midnightdirge> how do i tinker with choice?
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#3142 [20:24] <xales> midnightdirge: No idea, on Mint. Probably should just uninstall the others
#3143 [20:25] <cookw24> xales: that gave me an error (10810)
#3144 [20:25] <midnightdirge> okay, thats easy though paranoia inspiring :)
#3145 [20:25] <xales> cookw24: Does it say anything else?
#3146 [20:25] <midnightdirge> brb i guess
#3147 [20:25] <cookw24> LSOpenURLsWithRole() failed with error -10810 for the file /Applications/Minecraft.app.
#3148 [20:27] <xales> cookw24: that sounds like a security thing...one second
#3149 [20:27] <cookw24> alrighty
#3150 [20:27] <midnightdirge> any way i can get the info on the proc clock and cache of my GPU? i can understand its power/lack of from there
#3151 [20:27] <midnightdirge> wait, lspcu and wiki\
#3152 [20:27] <GreyVulpine> xales
#3153 [20:27] <midnightdirge> brb
#3154 [20:27] <GreyVulpine> chmod
#3155 [20:28] <GreyVulpine> chmod +c /Applications/Minecraft.app//Contents/MacOS/JavaApplicationStub
#3156 [20:28] <GreyVulpine> er
#3157 [20:28] <GreyVulpine> +x
#3158 [20:28] <Drule> http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=159856
#3159 [20:28] <Drule> help pls
#3160 [20:29] <GreyVulpine> Drule - With a mod
#3161 [20:29] <xales> cookw24: run the command
#3162 [20:29] <Drule> Yes but *which one*
#3163 [20:29] <GreyVulpine> bukkit
#3164 [20:29] <xales> chmod +x /Applications/Minecraft.app//Contents/MacOS/JavaApplicationStub
#3165 [20:29] <Drule> answers are all over the place
#3166 [20:29] <cookw24> invalid file mode: +c
#3167 [20:30] <midnightdirge> okay, i learned that lscup got me everything i want about my processer... 64x2+512k cache :) good for its day
#3168 [20:30] <midnightdirge> lscpu
#3169 [20:30] <midnightdirge> but what was that command again?
#3170 [20:30] <midnightdirge> for the gphx?
#3171 [20:30] <GreyVulpine> cookw24, it's +x
#3172 [20:30] <midnightdirge> oh, nvm
#3173 [20:30] <GreyVulpine> My mistake
#3174 [20:31] <Drule> Is bukkit up to date?
#3175 [20:31] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#3176 [20:31] <cookw24> ran
#3177 [20:31] <GreyVulpine> now try opening the minecraft.app again
#3178 [20:31] <cookw24> that got it
#3179 [20:32] <cookw24> thanks guys!
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#3181 [20:33] <Drule> Can I run bukkit on my server and have people connect to it with the latest vanilla client?
#3182 [20:33] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#3183 [20:33] <GreyVulpine> bukkit is a server modification only
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#3185 [20:34] <GreyVulpine> more accurately, a server API for plugins and mods
#3186 [20:34] <midnightdirge> okay, i think my gpu has 512k of L2
#3187 [20:34] <midnightdirge> ill be back later
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#3189 [20:35] <Drule> How do I use it?
#3190 [20:36] <GreyVulpine> Drule - We don't support mods here, you're going to have to ask in #bukkit
#3191 [20:37] <Drule> Ok.
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#3193 [20:44] <AmonT> I seem unable to play mc. java fires up and exits almost right after
#3194 [20:45] <peru_> no errors?
#3195 [20:46] <xales> AmonT: Do you get any errors?
#3196 [20:46] <peru_> i asked that first...
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#3198 [20:48] <AmonT> No. I have only 1,6Ghz dual core
#3199 [20:48] <AmonT> And 2GB RAM
#3200 [20:48] <GreyVulpine> How much RAM is free
#3201 [20:48] <GreyVulpine> And what OS are you on?
#3202 [20:48] <midnightdirge> hmm... does anyone know any good ircs for computer tech? i dont want to bother mch unless nessasary
#3203 [20:49] <AmonT> About 47% and Vista
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#3205 [20:49] <xales> midnightdirge: Look for the official one for your distro
#3206 [20:49] <GreyVulpine> AmonT - Can you download the minecraft.jar version, run it in your command prompt with the command line found at the website?
#3207 [20:49] <robolegoman4295> Hey
#3208 [20:49] <GreyVulpine> Let us know if it returns any errors
#3209 [20:50] <robolegoman4295> Need some help
#3210 [20:50] <midnightdirge> nah, aint going anywhere where gazza is, and im b& from its help...
#3211 [20:50] <xales> robolegoman4295: With?
#3212 [20:50] <robolegoman4295> running an old minecraft
#3213 [20:50] <AmonT> I'll try that Gray
#3214 [20:50] <robolegoman4295> Trying to make a server
#3215 [20:50] <midnightdirge> barely warrented in a church
#3216 [20:50] <xales> robolegoman4295: Do you mean running Classic?
#3217 [20:50] <robolegoman4295> Yes.
#3218 [20:50] <robolegoman4295> I went on youtube to see how
#3219 [20:50] <AmonT> Beta I am trying out
#3220 [20:50] <robolegoman4295> And it didn't help me
#3221 [20:50] <robolegoman4295> Could you give me a step-by-step how-to?
#3222 [20:51] <xales> Youtube isn't exactly a good place to get help for anything
#3223 [20:51] <xales> anyway
#3224 [20:51] <robolegoman4295> but still
#3225 [20:51] <robolegoman4295> a how-to?
#3226 [20:51] <robolegoman4295> please?
#3227 [20:51] <xales> you should just need to download the file from minecraft.net
#3228 [20:51] <xales> and double-click the .bat file
#3229 [20:51] <robolegoman4295> did
#3230 [20:51] <midnightdirge> okay, i think i can handle the drivers problem...
#3231 [20:52] <midnightdirge> scared i might bork something and have to reinstall
#3232 [20:52] <robolegoman4295> 'java' is not recognized as an internal or external command
#3233 [20:52] <xales> robolegoman4295: do you have java installed?
#3234 [20:52] <robolegoman4295> operable program
#3235 [20:52] <robolegoman4295> Yes
#3236 [20:52] <robolegoman4295> I do.
#3237 [20:52] <midnightdirge> though i guess neuvou will kick in worst-case
#3238 [20:52] <Mathuin> Almost have a script to generate buildings. I have the dorkiest office park evar under constructions.
#3239 [20:52] <xales> robolegoman4295: What version of Windows?
#3240 [20:53] * xales pokes GreyVulpine
#3240 [20:53] <GreyVulpine> bwah?
#3241 [20:53] <xales> GreyVulpine: Can you help robolegoman4295 with putting java in his PATH
#3242 [20:53] <xales> I'm not good at explaining it
#3243 [20:53] <xales> :(
#3244 [20:53] * GreyVulpine blehs
#3244 [20:53] <GreyVulpine> Really simple, grab the path from control panel -> java -> java tab -> view button
#3245 [20:54] <GreyVulpine> close that, go to right click, my computer, properties, go to environment variables, add it there, without the javaw.exe ending
#3246 [20:54] <GreyVulpine> currently roasting zombies, brb
#3247 [20:55] <robolegoman4295> I have java installed
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#3249 [20:55] <robolegoman4295> Internet went down
#3250 [20:56] <robolegoman4295> Ok
#3251 [20:56] <robolegoman4295> Xales
#3252 [20:56] <robolegoman4295> You there?
#3253 [20:56] <midnightdirge> okay, this is a bad sign... checked processes... no toll, but cpu is absolutely clocked... ~60% use
#3254 [20:56] <robolegoman4295> Xales - now it gives a different message
#3255 [20:57] <midnightdirge> its not mc related though... dont know where to go
#3256 [20:57] <Kealper> midnightdirge: for no reason?
#3257 [20:57] <midnightdirge> yes
#3258 [20:57] <xales> robolegoman4295: What message?
#3259 [20:57] <Kealper> O.o
#3260 [20:57] <robolegoman4295> It's something long
#3261 [20:57] <robolegoman4295> I'll repeat first few paragraphs
#3262 [20:57] <xales> http://pastebin.com/ then
#3263 [20:57] <Kealper> midnightdirge: that's.....weird...try restarting?
#3264 [20:57] <xales> pastebin the whole thing. Don't paste it in here
#3265 [20:57] <midnightdirge> probly managed to find one of those elusive linux viruses... or that lol
#3266 [20:58] <midnightdirge> will shortly
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#3268 [20:58] <robolegoman4295> http://pastebin.com/cgTsgTEh
#3269 [20:58] <robolegoman4295> there
#3270 [20:59] <Nate38Omega[GR]> Hey, does anyone know why there are only like 10 servers up in classic?
#3271 [20:59] <robolegoman4295> 1 of them has a virus
#3272 [20:59] <robolegoman4295> it says
#3273 [20:59] <xales> Nate38Omega[GR]: It was down, and only just came back up
#3274 [20:59] <xales> robolegoman4295: what?
#3275 [20:59] <xales> robolegoman4295: What says what has a virus? >.>
#3276 [20:59] <robolegoman4295> Someone said that one of them has a virus
#3277 [20:59] <xales> One of what?
#3278 [20:59] <midnightdirge> okay, activated anotehr nvidia driver... slowed it down a bit
#3279 [20:59] <xales> and someone who?
#3280 [20:59] <Nate38Omega[GR]> so there's only ten of them because everyone has to restart their servers?
#3281 [21:00] <robolegoman4295> Team9000
#3282 [21:00] <xales> robolegoman4295: Oh...servers
#3283 [21:00] <xales> nevermind
#3284 [21:00] <robolegoman4295> Someone put a server up earlier saying it has a virus
#3285 [21:00] <robolegoman4295> so,
#3286 [21:00] <robolegoman4295> can you help?
#3287 [21:00] <xales> robolegoman4295: Yes..one second
#3288 [21:00] <robolegoman4295> k
#3289 [21:00] <xales> did you change anything in the .bat file?
#3290 [21:00] <robolegoman4295> i'll be awating.
#3291 [21:00] <robolegoman4295> No
#3292 [21:00] <robolegoman4295> I didn't touch it
#3293 [21:00] <GreyVulpine> robolegoman4295 - Are you running classic or beta?
#3294 [21:01] <robolegoman4295> Classic
#3295 [21:01] <robolegoman4295> I just went to WinRAR
#3296 [21:01] <midnightdirge> okay, so the problem might be a need for a restart... thanks... i dont know why that didnt cross my mind
#3297 [21:01] <robolegoman4295> Then clicked on the .bat file
#3298 [21:01] <xales> robolegoman4295: That would be why
#3299 [21:01] <xales> you have to extract the files, not just double click them
#3300 [21:01] <robolegoman4295> Did
#3301 [21:02] <robolegoman4295> And it gives same little thing as before
#3302 [21:02] <xales> Are you clicking on the .bat in winrar, or in the folder it was extracted to
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#3304 [21:02] <Nate38Omega[GR]> Soo... There's only like 6 classic servers up because all the owners have to restart their servers?
#3305 [21:02] <robolegoman4295> in the folder extracted to
#3306 [21:02] <Nate38Omega[GR]> because it was down?
#3307 [21:02] <xales> Nate38Omega[GR]: No, they just aren't on the list yet
#3308 [21:02] <Nate38Omega[GR]> oh
#3309 [21:03] <xales> robolegoman4295: Is it the one about 'java not a valid command'?
#3310 [21:03] <robolegoman4295> yes.
#3311 [21:03] <Nate38Omega[GR]> thanks guys
#3312 [21:03] <robolegoman4295> it's in unzipped file.
#3313 [21:03] <robolegoman4295> without winrar
#3314 [21:03] <xales> robolegoman4295: what version of Windows do you have?
#3315 [21:03] <robolegoman4295> Vista
#3316 [21:03] <robolegoman4295> I tried running as administrator
#3317 [21:04] <xales> that isn't the issue
#3318 [21:04] <xales> one sec
#3319 [21:04] <xales> robolegoman4295: Open Control Panel, and click Java
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#3321 [21:05] <robolegoman4295> kk hang on
#3322 [21:05] <robolegoman4295> gimme a sec
#3323 [21:06] <robolegoman4295> Can't find it.
#3324 [21:07] <GreyVulpine> robolegoman4295 - Can you enable classic mode in the control panel
#3325 [21:07] <GreyVulpine> upper left or so
#3326 [21:07] <robolegoman4295> Sure.
#3327 [21:07] <GreyVulpine> Now look for the java icon
#3328 [21:07] <robolegoman4295> Searched for java
#3329 [21:07] <robolegoman4295> Found it
#3330 [21:07] <robolegoman4295> click on it?
#3331 [21:08] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#3332 [21:08] <robolegoman4295> i found it
#3333 [21:08] <robolegoman4295> now what...
#3334 [21:08] <robolegoman4295> Oh
#3335 [21:08] <robolegoman4295> ok
#3336 [21:08] <GreyVulpine> Now, click on the java tab at the top
#3337 [21:08] <GreyVulpine> Then, click on the view button
#3338 [21:08] <robolegoman4295> kk
#3339 [21:08] <robolegoman4295> Runtime settings?
#3340 [21:08] <GreyVulpine> Please go to the path column, and copy it here
#3341 [21:08] <GreyVulpine> It should start with c:\.....
#3342 [21:09] <robolegoman4295> oh
#3343 [21:09] <robolegoman4295> when i click on the .bat?
#3344 [21:09] <GreyVulpine> No
#3345 [21:09] <GreyVulpine> In the java control panel there
#3346 [21:09] <robolegoman4295> I pressed on java tab
#3347 [21:09] <GreyVulpine> Right, now the "View" button
#3348 [21:09] <robolegoman4295> For which one
#3349 [21:09] <GreyVulpine> Top one
#3350 [21:10] <robolegoman4295> It says runtime versions
#3351 [21:10] <robolegoman4295> and all that
#3352 [21:10] <robolegoman4295> doesn't have any c:\
#3353 [21:10] <robolegoman4295> Oh yes it does
#3354 [21:10] <GreyVulpine> Could you copy the path here.
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#3356 [21:11] <robolegoman4295> C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\1.6.0_05
#3357 [21:11] <robolegoman4295> That's the first one.
#3358 [21:11] <robolegoman4295> C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\1.6.0_07
#3359 [21:11] <robolegoman4295> Second
#3360 [21:11] * GreyVulpine blinks
#3360 [21:11] <GreyVulpine> How many of these are there?
#3361 [21:11] <robolegoman4295> C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jre6
#3362 [21:11] <robolegoman4295> Only three
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#3365 [21:12] <GreyVulpine> Okay. the third one is just that? Nothing further?
#3366 [21:12] <robolegoman4295> Yes.
#3367 [21:12] <robolegoman4295> Nothing else.
#3368 [21:12] <robolegoman4295> afk for a sec
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#3370 [21:14] <robolegoman4295> back
#3371 [21:14] <robolegoman4295> Now, next step...?
#3372 [21:14] <GreyVulpine> Okay, I had a look at mine, close that, click on the bottom view button
#3373 [21:14] <GreyVulpine> Then paste that path here.
#3374 [21:14] * GreyVulpine kicks vista
#3374 [21:15] <robolegoman4295> User or system tab?
#3375 [21:15] <GreyVulpine> user
#3376 [21:15] <robolegoman4295> kk
#3377 [21:15] <robolegoman4295> C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jre6\bin\javaw.exe
#3378 [21:15] <robolegoman4295> first
#3379 [21:15] <GreyVulpine> That's the one I was looking for.
#3380 [21:16] <GreyVulpine> Now you can close that
#3381 [21:16] <robolegoman4295> k and then?
#3382 [21:16] <GreyVulpine> Control panel, look for the system icon
#3383 [21:16] <robolegoman4295> classic or regular view?
#3384 [21:16] <GreyVulpine> classic
#3385 [21:17] <GreyVulpine> Go into it, look for the "Advanced System settings" link, click on it, then onto the "Environment Variables" button
#3386 [21:17] <robolegoman4295> What's name of system icon?
#3387 [21:17] <GreyVulpine> "System"
#3388 [21:17] <robolegoman4295> k
#3389 [21:17] <robolegoman4295> and then that?
#3390 [21:17] <GreyVulpine> Go into it, look for the "Advanced System settings" link, click on it, then onto the "Environment Variables" button
#3391 [21:18] <robolegoman4295> Ok
#3392 [21:18] <robolegoman4295> And then?
#3393 [21:18] <GreyVulpine> Bottom panel is System variables, look for a "PATH" variable
#3394 [21:18] <GreyVulpine> Copy and paste the value for it here.
#3395 [21:18] <robolegoman4295> CLASSPATH?
#3396 [21:18] <GreyVulpine> "PATH"
#3397 [21:18] <Mathuin> So you can't punch wooden doors open?
#3398 [21:18] <GreyVulpine> Sure you can Mathuin.
#3399 [21:19] <Mathuin> Err, sorry, you can't punch *iron* doors open?
#3400 [21:19] <robolegoman4295> %SystemRoot%\system32;%SystemRoot%;%SystemRoot%\System32\Wbem;C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Roxio Shared\DLLShared\;C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Roxio Shared\10.0\DLLShared\;C:\Program Files (x86)\QuickTime\QTSystem\
#3401 [21:19] <robolegoman4295> *blinks*
#3402 [21:19] <GreyVulpine> Great, now, what you're going to add at the end is this:
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#3404 [21:19] <GreyVulpine> ;C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jre6\bin\
#3405 [21:19] <GreyVulpine> Notice the semicolon
#3406 [21:19] <robolegoman4295> I know.
#3407 [21:20] <GreyVulpine> There's no space before, or after the semicolon
#3408 [21:20] <robolegoman4295> I notice.
#3409 [21:20] <robolegoman4295> There.
#3410 [21:20] <robolegoman4295> I pressed "OK" after I did it.
#3411 [21:20] <GreyVulpine> Yup
#3412 [21:20] <GreyVulpine> You can close all that now
#3413 [21:20] <robolegoman4295> Give 'er a shot?
#3414 [21:20] <GreyVulpine> Sure
#3415 [21:20] <robolegoman4295> Same error.
#3416 [21:20] <robolegoman4295> >_<
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#3418 [21:21] <robolegoman4295> I tried regularly
#3419 [21:21] <GreyVulpine> Can you copy the entire error, including what the command was to execute it?
#3420 [21:21] <robolegoman4295> And then I tried administrator
#3421 [21:21] <robolegoman4295> sure i can
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#3423 [21:22] <robolegoman4295> 'java' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file. Press any key to continue . . .
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#3425 [21:22] <GreyVulpine> Did you close the command prompt window, and open up a new one?
#3426 [21:23] <robolegoman4295> Yes.
#3427 [21:23] <robolegoman4295> lolz
#3428 [21:23] <GreyVulpine> o.O
#3429 [21:23] <robolegoman4295> Lol
#3430 [21:23] <robolegoman4295> I was doing the translator
#3431 [21:23] <robolegoman4295> So, now what.
#3432 [21:24] <robolegoman4295> I'm stumped. :C
#3433 [21:24] <GreyVulpine> Please go to your start menu, right click on Computer, go to properties
#3434 [21:24] <robolegoman4295> Ok.
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#3436 [21:24] <GreyVulpine> Again, go to the Advanced system settings, then environment variables
#3437 [21:24] <Mathuin> Okay, can't concentrate, gonna get food.
#3438 [21:24] <GreyVulpine> Could you copy and paste the Path variable here?
#3439 [21:24] <robolegoman4295> My account is not an admin account on my computer
#3440 [21:24] <robolegoman4295> Does that make a difference...?
#3441 [21:25] * GreyVulpine blinks
#3441 [21:25] <GreyVulpine> I.. don't know.
#3442 [21:25] <xales> Yes
#3443 [21:25] <xales> you would have to change user variable not system, Grey
#3444 [21:25] <robolegoman4295> Ah.
#3445 [21:25] <robolegoman4295> I know.
#3446 [21:25] <robolegoman4295> I forgot to press "OK" after I changed.
#3447 [21:25] <robolegoman4295> o.e
#3448 [21:25] * GreyVulpine facepalms
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#3449 [21:26] <robolegoman4295> How do j00 do that
#3450 [21:26] <robolegoman4295> >_<
#3451 [21:26] <robolegoman4295> :(
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#3453 [21:26] <hellofthedevil> anyone kno y the severs r going crazy
#3454 [21:26] <robolegoman4295> It's working now.
#3455 [21:26] <GreyVulpine> And there's no user variable for path xales.
#3456 [21:26] <robolegoman4295> :)
#3457 [21:26] <xales> GreyVulpine: Not by default
#3458 [21:28] <robolegoman4295> :o
#3459 [21:28] <robolegoman4295> Failed to assemble heartbeat?
#3460 [21:28] <robolegoman4295> tat dont sound no good
#3461 [21:28] <hottwilliew> has anyone heard about any "Failed to login: User not Premium" errors? I bought the game about a month ago and has been working fine until today
#3462 [21:29] <hellofthedevil> yeah
#3463 [21:29] <hellofthedevil> dunno what it means though
#3464 [21:29] <robolegoman4295> GreyVulpine: some help?
#3465 [21:29] <hellofthedevil> i cant even log into minecraft beta
#3466 [21:29] <xales> hottwilliew: what is your username?
#3467 [21:30] <xales> robolegoman4295: Do you have a firewall?
#3468 [21:30] <hellofthedevil> who me
#3469 [21:30] <hottwilliew> hottwilliew is my username
#3470 [21:30] <hottwilliew> firewall is off on windows 7
#3471 [21:30] <robolegoman4295> Yes I do
#3472 [21:30] <xales> hottwilliew: wasn't asking you
#3473 [21:30] <robolegoman4295> Xales: I unblocked it.
#3474 [21:30] <xales> robolegoman4295: Disable it. Completely
#3475 [21:30] <robolegoman4295> Xales: right now?
#3476 [21:30] <xales> yes
#3477 [21:30] <GreyVulpine> robolegoman4295 - ?
#3478 [21:30] <robolegoman4295> ok.
#3479 [21:30] <robolegoman4295> Here's error
#3480 [21:31] <robolegoman4295> http://pastebin.com/sFqjaK4J
#3481 [21:31] <xales> hottwilliew: try connecting to greyvulpine.dyndns.org
#3482 [21:31] <robolegoman4295> just incase.
#3483 [21:31] <hellofthedevil> its only windows 7 what is the problem
#3484 [21:31] <hottwilliew> same thing
#3485 [21:31] <robolegoman4295> so
#3486 [21:31] <robolegoman4295> Grey
#3487 [21:31] <robolegoman4295> is it bad?
#3488 [21:31] <GreyVulpine> Hmm?
#3489 [21:31] <GreyVulpine> What's the problem?
#3490 [21:31] <robolegoman4295> http://pastebin.com/sFqjaK4J
#3491 [21:31] <robolegoman4295> Read it...
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#3493 [21:32] <GreyVulpine> Hmm
#3494 [21:33] * xales thinks one of two things:
#3494 [21:33] <robolegoman4295> Ok
#3495 [21:33] <robolegoman4295> I turned off firewall
#3496 [21:33] <xales> A: mc.net is busted again, and we will get a lot more people with this issue soon
#3497 [21:33] <robolegoman4295> Didn't make any difference.
#3498 [21:33] <hellofthedevil> minecraft classic and beta are knocking everyone out
#3499 [21:33] <xales> B: minecraft.net resolving to wrong IP... (127.0.0.1?)
#3500 [21:33] <xales> hrmm, time to fieldtest my app!
#3501 [21:34] <xales> robolegoman4295: Download and run this: http://public:0000@darksigns.net/xales/mchelper.exe
#3502 [21:34] <hellofthedevil> what is it
#3503 [21:34] <hellofthedevil> ?
#3504 [21:34] <robolegoman4295> and so.
#3505 [21:35] <xales> hellofthedevil: it basically look up a bunch of IPs (all local interfaces, attempts to find external, and the cached IP of minecraft.net)
#3506 [21:35] <xales> robolegoman4295: Did you run it?
#3507 [21:35] <Mikau> Is there a magical way to kill all the monsters/animals on the server at once?
#3508 [21:35] <robolegoman4295> Yes I ran it
#3509 [21:35] <xales> Mikau: Not without a mod
#3510 [21:35] <xales> robolegoman4295: On your desktop, is there a 'mchelper.txt' file?
#3511 [21:35] <robolegoman4295> Yes.
#3512 [21:35] <xales> Open it
#3513 [21:35] <robolegoman4295> I have it opened.
#3514 [21:35] <xales> and paste in here the last line
#3515 [21:36] <Mikau> I'm guessing we can't set a server to peaceful and simply have all the monsters despawn.
#3516 [21:36] <robolegoman4295> Minecraft.net address: 184.73.251.56
#3517 [21:36] <xales> Mikau: Unfortunately, nope
#3518 [21:36] <xales> robolegoman4295: I think minecraft.net may be having more issues
#3519 [21:36] <GreyVulpine> That's not minecraft's address
#3520 [21:36] <GreyVulpine> is it?
#3521 [21:36] <xales> GreyVulpine: Dynamic
#3522 [21:37] <xales> ;; ANSWER SECTION:
#3523 [21:37] <xales> 56.251.73.184.in-addr.arpa. 300 IN PTR ec2-184-73-251-56.compute-1.amazonaws.com.
#3524 [21:37] <xales> it is
#3525 [21:37] <GreyVulpine> Bah
#3526 [21:37] <GreyVulpine> Thought minecraft's was all 50.something
#3527 [21:37] <robolegoman4295> Hmm
#3528 [21:37] <robolegoman4295> So now what
#3529 [21:37] <hellofthedevil> xales: the thing is minecraft beta was working fine yesterday untill i had to do a distructive reinstall
#3530 [21:37] <xales> robolegoman4295: Try running it again later =\
#3531 [21:38] <xales> hellofthedevil: Are you using the 'Play Offline' thing by any chance?
#3532 [21:38] <hellofthedevil> xales: then it wouldnt wirk after a did it
#3533 [21:38] <hellofthedevil> no i dont get that far
#3534 [21:39] <xales> oh...
#3535 [21:39] <xales> actually, I'm going to have you do the same thing that robole did
#3536 [21:39] <xales> download that program, run it, and paste the last line in here
#3537 [21:40] <hellofthedevil> xales: it wont even update u wait 2 mins on a black screen then it says" minecraft has crashed"
#3538 [21:40] <Mikau> Anyone have any suggestions for how to delete a crap load of squid everywhere?
#3539 [21:40] <Mikau> on land that is
#3540 [21:40] <xales> hellofthedevil: paste the IP please :)
#3541 [21:40] <GreyVulpine> Mikau - not be in that chunk?
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#3544 [21:40] <Mikau> It's in the spawn area of the server. =/
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#3546 [21:40] <hellofthedevil> Mikau: tnt is the best awnser
#3547 [21:41] <GreyVulpine> Then don't have anybody in spawn
#3548 [21:41] <GreyVulpine> That chunk will unload, and all the squid with it
#3549 [21:41] <Mikau> and it's causing my FPS to drop to 1fps, causing the rest of the chunks to not load
#3550 [21:41] <hellofthedevil> xales: what ip?
#3551 [21:41] <Mikau> I guess I could just pick direction and start walking into the emptyness
#3552 [21:41] <GreyVulpine> Mikau - Then, everybody disconnect from the server?
#3553 [21:41] <GreyVulpine> Then reconnect
#3554 [21:41] <xales> hellofthedevil: As I said
#3555 [21:41] <feenyx> GreyVulpine: present and at your service
#3556 [21:41] <Mikau> I shut down the server, and restarted it, they're still there
#3557 [21:41] <Mikau> in the exact same spots
#3558 [21:42] <xales> download that program, and paste the IP from the end of the text file it makes on your desktop
#3559 [21:42] <Mikau> if I had a closer map backup, I would do that.
#3560 [21:42] <GreyVulpine> feenyx - Sorry, we had a test earlier, all vops have access to /cs kick #MineCraftHelp name reason now
#3561 [21:42] <xales> http://public:0000@darksigns.net/xales/mchelper.exe
#3562 [21:42] <feenyx> GreyVulpine: nice to know :)
#3563 [21:42] <AndrewPH> that reminds me
#3564 [21:42] <feenyx> the aubot thing didn't pan out?
#3565 [21:42] <AndrewPH> xales, voice me right this instant young man
#3566 [21:42] <GreyVulpine> aubot thing?
#3567 [21:42] <feenyx> you had a !kick trigger
#3568 [21:42] <xales> AndrewPH: y
#3569 [21:43] <xales> feenyx: ChanServ is more reliable
#3570 [21:43] <AndrewPH> 'cause
#3571 [21:43] <feenyx> it is indeed
#3572 [21:43] <GreyVulpine> No, truewolves came back, did some levels thing, lowered the access to /cs kick for vops, and /cs akick for aops
#3573 [21:43] <ciaron> multi is far too addictive
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#3575 [21:43] <ciaron> 6 hours later and i've only just checked the clock
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#3578 [21:45] <hellofthedevil> xales: uh-huh then what
#3579 [21:45] <xales> hellofthedevil: Paste the IP in here
#3580 [21:45] <xales> from the end of the file it creates on your desktop
#3581 [21:45] <hellofthedevil> 50.16.187.35
#3582 [21:46] <xales> ..that looks right
#3583 [21:46] <hellofthedevil> SO WANT MY OTHER SCREEN THE NOW
#3584 [21:46] <xales> are you sure you are using the correct username?
#3585 [21:47] <hellofthedevil> yup hellofthedevil
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#3587 [21:47] <xales> I just double-checked..definately is premium
#3588 [21:48] <hellofthedevil> arrrggggg need more screen room
#3589 [21:48] <xales> try this
#3590 [21:48] <xales> !reinstall
#3591 [21:48] <hellofthedevil> aw done all that
#3592 [21:49] <hellofthedevil> 4 times
#3593 [21:49] <hellofthedevil> lol
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#3595 [21:50] <hellofthedevil> xales: howd u find that out
#3596 [21:50] <carthelan> anybody know what the guys on yogscast use on their SMP server?
#3597 [21:50] <xales> find what out?
#3598 [21:50] <carthelan> or is it just lots of different people
#3599 [21:50] <hellofthedevil> that a was primium
#3600 [21:51] <xales> no idea, sorry. you could ask them
#3601 [21:51] <xales> hellofthedevil: http://www.minecraft.net/haspaid.jsp?user=hellofthedevil
#3602 [21:51] <hellofthedevil> ha ha kl
#3603 [21:51] <carthelan> ok what?
#3604 [21:51] <hellofthedevil> whats ur username on mc
#3605 [21:52] <xales> xales
#3606 [21:52] <hellofthedevil> u got a server
#3607 [21:52] <xales> nope
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#3609 [21:52] <carthelan> i does. why?
#3610 [21:53] <hellofthedevil> aw a kno someone who does have a classic server but its down the now cozza greifers
#3611 [21:53] <feenyx> !check 81.167.158.144
#3612 [21:54] <xales> !check lol.arpa
#3613 [21:54] <hellofthedevil> so no one knows wtf is up with minecraft :(
#3614 [21:54] <xales> LOL
#3615 [21:54] <xales> I broke the bot
#3616 [21:54] <xales> hellofthedevil: No idea, sorry. Try posting on the forum
#3617 [21:54] <hellofthedevil> fuckin pain in the arse aint it
#3618 [21:55] <xales> Kealper: I broke AuBot
#3619 [21:55] <lemon-rev> hellofthedevil look the classic has been down since about the time notch whent on holidays just wait it out
#3620 [21:55] <feenyx> xales: could you do me a favor and try to log in to that ip?
#3621 [21:55] <Kealper> lolwut
#3622 [21:55] <xales> feenyx: This computer doesn't run minecraft. its my craptop
#3623 [21:55] <carthelan> on reg or on beta?
#3624 [21:55] <xales> Kealper: look
#3625 [21:55] <feenyx> ah okay
#3626 [21:55] <xales> !check lol.arpa
#3627 [21:55] <feenyx> Kealper: how about you?
#3628 [21:55] <Kealper> that just means lol.arpa didn't resolve
#3629 [21:55] <hellofthedevil> what ip
#3630 [21:56] <Kealper> what ip?
#3631 [21:56] <xales> broken
#3632 [21:56] <xales> !check not.a.real.website.afoorewjrawer.com
#3633 [21:56] <carthelan> it says i'm not on the whitelist
#3634 [21:56] <xales> oic
#3635 [21:56] <Kealper> !check example.com:80
#3636 [21:56] <feenyx> carthelan: cheers, that means it's working ^^
#3637 [21:56] <Kealper> it's not broke, it just does not resolve to an ip when it goes to spam that
#3638 [21:56] <xales> !check im.broken.lol
#3639 [21:57] <hellofthedevil> lemon-rev: well not even my beta is working
#3640 [21:57] <xales> hellofthedevil: Do you get 'user not premium' when you log in, or when you try to play Multiplayer
#3641 [21:57] <lemon-rev> ok helloftheevil wtf, can you login to minecraft.net and play it that way ?
#3642 [21:58] <hellofthedevil> nope i get "minecraft has crashed" ill show you
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#3644 [21:58] <Oerg866> Good day
#3645 [21:58] <Oerg866> I have a problem. I use Windows 98 and am playing Minecraft just fine, but i cannot mine things.
#3646 [21:58] <lemon-rev> lol
#3647 [21:58] <xales> What do you mean 'cannot mine things'?
#3648 [21:58] <xales> also..windows 98? O_O
#3649 [21:58] <xales> I don't think it will work quite right on that
#3650 [21:58] <Oerg866> xales: nothing happens when i left click a block
#3651 [21:58] <lemon-rev> oerg866 thats cause your trying to mine things too close to the spawn point arnt you lol
#3652 [21:58] <xales> Oerg866: On Classic, or beta?
#3653 [21:58] <Oerg866> It works fine, except this little thing
#3654 [21:59] <Kealper> what's that smell?
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#3656 [21:59] <Kealper> it smells really bad
#3657 [21:59] <Oerg866> lemon-rev: I dont think, it's my server and on my XP computer it works.
#3658 [21:59] <Oerg866> xales: beta
#3659 [21:59] <Kealper> like garbage and throw-up
#3660 [21:59] <xales> Oerg866: You are holding down the mouse button, right?
#3661 [21:59] <Oerg866> Yes
#3662 [21:59] <Oerg866> (I play MC since alpha, so I know all the controls ...)
#3663 [21:59] <lemon-rev> xales sounds like lagg issules to me he said on the server so yea
#3664 [21:59] <Kealper> i'm not sure, but it almost smells like a troll, to me....
#3665 [22:00] <xales> Oerg866: Upgrade to a modern OS. Then try
#3666 [22:00] <Oerg866> I'm not a troll
#3667 [22:00] <Oerg866> xales: No, because this is a fun project. There is tons of community projects to get windows 98 up to date
#3668 [22:00] <Oerg866> I'm being completely sincere here ...
#3669 [22:00] <xales> We can't offer support if you are trying to run it below the required version
#3670 [22:01] <xales> If you really want to do that, you should know how to get it to work without having to ask us.
#3671 [22:01] <Oerg866> There is no OS requirement really.
#3672 [22:01] <Winner5740> where can I find a free Beta server? Not having much luck in the forums.
#3673 [22:01] <Oerg866> Because it's based on Java, and I've tried every Java version since 1.5.0
#3674 [22:01] <xales> Winner5740: http://minestatus.net/ or http://mcserverlist.net/
#3675 [22:01] <Oerg866> So that shoud not be a problem.
#3676 [22:01] <carthelan> just compatibility issues with an old OS
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#3678 [22:01] <xales> Oerg866: Except for the fact that the API and OS are more or less completely different
#3679 [22:01] <xales> anyway
#3680 [22:01] <xales> we can't help you, sorry.
#3681 [22:02] <Kealper> Oerg866: you are legitly running that on windows 98? pics or it didn't happen >.>
#3682 [22:02] <Oerg866> Kealper: Sure hold on
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#3684 [22:02] <hellofthedevil> xales: u got skype
#3685 [22:02] <Furyion> is anyone else having the Conneciton lost: Timed Out problem?
#3686 [22:03] <xales> hellofthedevil: Nope, sorry
#3687 [22:03] <Kealper> man....i have not touched 98 in like 10 years.....lol
#3688 [22:03] <hellofthedevil> xales: wat bout msn
#3689 [22:03] <xales> Furyion: Nope. What server are you trying to connect to
#3690 [22:03] <xales> hellofthedevil: Nope
#3691 [22:03] <hellofthedevil> fook it wont let me show a screen shot
#3692 [22:03] <Furyion> Xales: Any basically
#3693 [22:03] <xales> Furyion: Do you have a firewall?
#3694 [22:03] <Mikau> Hah
#3695 [22:03] <Mikau> I fixed it
#3696 [22:04] <Winner5740> thanks
#3697 [22:04] <Mikau> I forgot all about server.properties having spawn-monsters and spawn-animals
#3698 [22:04] <Oerg866> Kealper I have to warn you though. The way it looks might give orgasms 8)
#3699 [22:04] <Mikau> I set them to false, and all of it just magicaly away
#3700 [22:04] <Furyion> Where would I look on my Windows Firewall
#3701 [22:04] <Furyion> the only other one I have is my router firewall wihch isnt blocking anything
#3702 [22:04] <Oerg866> because I've got AP98 Dec 2008, 98SE2ME and RevolutionPack 9.7 installed
#3703 [22:04] <xales> Furyion: Windows Firewall isn't likely the issue. Are there any third-party firewalls installed?
#3704 [22:05] <Kealper> Oerg866: challenge accepted!
#3705 [22:05] <xales> Norton, Zonealarm, Comodo
#3706 [22:05] <Furyion> Xales: No only my Netgear router (blocking nothing) and my Windows Firewall
#3707 [22:05] <xales> Furyion: Try connecting to greyvulpine.dyndns.org
#3708 [22:05] <GreyVulpine> Works fine
#3709 [22:05] <Oerg866> Kealper: http://pixelbanane.de/yafu/2429176240/Clipboard01.jpg
#3710 [22:06] <Furyion> Is it a server-host problem then?
#3711 [22:06] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#3712 [22:06] <Kealper> what is this witchcraft?!
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#3714 [22:07] <Oerg866> Kealper: As you can see, Minecraft running on Windows 98SE, just fine.
#3715 [22:07] <Oerg866> Except this small problem :/
#3716 [22:07] <xales> Oerg866: if you can't destroy blocks, where did the dirt come from
#3717 [22:07] <hellofthedevil> bk closed the window by a mistake
#3718 [22:07] <Oerg866> xales: saved inventory from the time where I played it on a XP machine
#3719 [22:08] <xales> Oerg866: The issue is probably with the input library it is using
#3720 [22:08] <xales> nothing you can do
#3721 [22:08] <Oerg866> gah
#3722 [22:08] <Oerg866> Maybe the next KernelEx will fix it
#3723 [22:09] <Oerg866> (KernelEx is a program that emulates Win2000/XP API calls on 98)
#3724 [22:09] <hellofthedevil> well hav you tryed inv edit and blowing stuff up
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#3726 [22:09] <Oerg866> I would like to play the game in a normal way thank you very much kind sir
#3727 [22:10] <hellofthedevil> no but it might move the glitch cos thats what it is
#3728 [22:10] <Kealper> how much ram does that even use? lol
#3729 [22:10] <Oerg866> Kealper: let me see
#3730 [22:10] <Oerg866> According to RP9.7's task manager I have 0% ram left ?!
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#3732 [22:10] <aetherian> lol
#3733 [22:11] <Oerg866> now 8% left
#3734 [22:11] <hellofthedevil> your os cannot support chunk updated thats y u can still see them but they arent accually there
#3735 [22:11] <xales> Oerg866: Indeed. 512MB isn't really enough for Minecraft
#3736 [22:11] <Oerg866> Bleh#
#3737 [22:11] <aetherian> I know someone who runs MC on 512mb
#3738 [22:11] <aetherian> he plays on tiny
#3739 [22:11] <Oerg866> I can upgrade it to 1.2GB RAM
#3740 [22:11] <aetherian> and if he accidentally presses f, his computer crashes
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#3742 [22:12] <xales> Oerg866: That wouldn't fix the input issue
#3743 [22:12] <hellofthedevil> its a glitch
#3744 [22:13] <Hawkstah> hopefully someone in here can help me, i just got minecraft, i can play on the web browser no problems for multiplayer but when i use the client i keep getting an error "java.net.socketexception software caused connection abort recv failed"
#3745 [22:13] <hellofthedevil> am on a laptop with windows 7 and 3 gb of ram and that glitches sometimes
#3746 [22:13] <Oerg866> Yeah more RAM doesn't fix it either :(
#3747 [22:13] <hellofthedevil> missing a plug in
#3748 [22:13] <xales> Hawkstah: Do you have any firewall or 'security' program?
#3749 [22:14] <Hawkstah> all firewalls disabled, the client file added into accept list as well
#3750 [22:14] <hellofthedevil> oerg866: more ram and a better os will fix it
#3751 [22:14] <Oerg866> Newer != better
#3752 [22:14] <hellofthedevil> uh-huh
#3753 [22:14] <Oerg866> I still consider Windows 98 the ultimite compromise between speed and compatibility
#3754 [22:14] <AndrewPH> hellofthedevil, lol
#3755 [22:14] <AndrewPH> hellofthedevil, Seriously no
#3756 [22:14] <xales> Oerg866: On a Celeron D, that makes sense
#3757 [22:14] <xales> try on a modern computer
#3758 [22:14] <xales> lulz
#3759 [22:15] <Oerg866> xales: My chipset dislikes my main computer, so I have to stick with XP there.
#3760 [22:15] <xales> ...um what?
#3761 [22:15] <hellofthedevil> andrewph: what u mean seriously no
#3762 [22:15] <Oerg866> er. My main computer's chipset dislikes windows 98
#3763 [22:15] <Oerg866> Even though I could get it to install, the chipset would not cooperate with standardized drivers.
#3764 [22:15] <AndrewPH> hellofthedevil, I mean no.
#3765 [22:15] <xales> >Running 10+ year old OS
#3766 [22:15] <xales> >Expecting it to work
#3767 [22:15] <AndrewPH> hellofthedevil, You use windows, correct?
#3768 [22:16] <xales> >A good idea
#3769 [22:16] <Oerg866> xales: It is still actively being patched by the community.
#3770 [22:16] <hellofthedevil> yes
#3771 [22:16] <xales> >Patching a closed-source OS
#3772 [22:16] <Oerg866> xales: Yes.
#3773 [22:16] <Oerg866> Some dude rewrote the entire memory manager
#3774 [22:16] <Oerg866> Making it possible to use up to 3.5 GB of RAM
#3775 [22:16] <hellofthedevil> andrewph: yes
#3776 [22:16] <Oerg866> And if you have more than 4GB, you can use the rest for a swap-file RAMDisk
#3777 [22:17] <Oerg866> Some russian guy even got some sort of hacked DirectX 10 version apparently
#3778 [22:17] <Oerg866> Though I call bullshit on that for obvious reasons
#3779 [22:17] <xales> Oerg866: As I said..we can't really help you run it on that
#3780 [22:17] <Oerg866> xales: I see.
#3781 [22:17] <Oerg866> Too bad ;(
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#3783 [22:17] <Oerg866> Funny thing too. Steam breaks everything. Steamless version of Steam games run on windows 98 without any issues.
#3784 [22:18] <midnightdirge> wow have i got a story for you xales and vulpine
#3785 [22:18] <Oerg866> stupid developers.
#3786 [22:18] <xales> >Blaming developers for not supporting 10+ year old OS with modern product
#3787 [22:19] <midnightdirge> to mainly the fault of linux and myself, i accidentaly caused my system to bootload all three nvidia drivers. i had to switch boot drive in bios to reinstall mint.. needed to upgrade my password anyways
#3788 [22:19] <midnightdirge> hahahahahaha
#3789 [22:19] <xales> >.>
#3790 [22:19] <Kealper> Oerg866: i think it's about time to move on to something a tad more modern lol
#3791 [22:20] <midnightdirge> im kookoo for koko puffs if i think this is funny
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#3793 [22:20] <midnightdirge> luckily i store all my valuables on sdb
#3794 [22:21] <midnightdirge> i mean, can you imagine...
#3795 [22:21] <Oerg866> Kealper: You can keep talking like that, if you like. However I honestly find Windows 98 way faster and easier to use. Some THG Test a while ago proven that Windows 98 kicks every NT OSs butt in performance.
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#3797 [22:21] <Oerg866> and with all the fan support, it is very stable too.
#3798 [22:21] <Lampshade> Umm
#3799 [22:22] <Oerg866> No more random BSODing.
#3800 [22:22] <Lampshade> The Servers
#3801 [22:22] <xales> ...If you are going to go to all that trouble
#3802 [22:22] <xales> it would be easier to run linux
#3803 [22:22] <Lampshade> Are, Um.. well failling
#3804 [22:22] <midnightdirge> this time, im using my drivers program thing i failed to notice instead of package manager to install drivers
#3805 [22:22] <xales> and yet more stable, and yet faster
#3806 [22:22] <Lampshade> Like real bad
#3807 [22:22] <Kealper> my windows 7 will still kick the crap out of 98se in every way (except ram usage)
#3808 [22:22] <Oerg866> xales. Linux is okay. But unfortunately I require programs that do not have suitable linux replacements.
#3809 [22:22] <xales> Name one.
#3810 [22:22] <Kealper> Wine?
#3811 [22:23] <Oerg866> Kealper: Absolutely false statement.
#3812 [22:23] <Lampshade> Anyone know what's up with Minecraft?
#3813 [22:23] <Oerg866> xales: VirtualDub. Now don't say AVIDemux. I tried and none of the UI controls work.
#3814 [22:23] <xales> Lampshade: It isn't workng. Not much can be done
#3815 [22:23] <feenyx> Lampshade: nothing, why?
#3816 [22:23] <feenyx> mine's working
#3817 [22:23] <Oerg866> More specifically, the capture video function of VirtualDub.
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#3819 [22:23] <Lampshade> Feenyx-On a classic server?
#3820 [22:23] <xales> Oerg866: There are absolutely programs that do the same thing
#3821 [22:24] <feenyx> no. Survival
#3822 [22:24] <Oerg866> xales: As I said. I tried the most famous ones without luck.
#3823 [22:24] <midnightdirge> i cant even explain what happened, but needless to say i couldnt even get to the OS selection bay... i figure this is useful information to the mod crew
#3824 [22:24] <Kealper> i thought VirtualDub worked under nix....huh....
#3825 [22:24] <froom> can someone help me with a mod?
#3826 [22:24] <midnightdirge> err... OP crew
#3827 [22:24] <xales> Oerg866: Then you were doing it wrong?
#3828 [22:24] <feenyx> froom: no, try the mod forum or mod channel :)
#3829 [22:24] <Lampshade> So, anyone know what's happening?
#3830 [22:24] <Oerg866> xales: Nope. I installed the package, ran the program and nothing worked. Only the close button >.>
#3831 [22:24] <froom> where is the mod channel
#3832 [22:24] <xales> Lampshade: No.
#3833 [22:24] <Lampshade> Bahh
#3834 [22:24] <GreyVulpine> froom - Depends on what mod you want
#3835 [22:24] <feenyx> froom: look in the mod forums
#3836 [22:24] <Lampshade> Atleast I can gotot the server list
#3837 [22:24] <Oerg866> Kealper: If you run it under WINE, you cannot access the Video capture device.
#3838 [22:25] <xales> Oerg866: Then you didn't do it right
#3839 [22:25] <Lampshade> It's the servers, It's weird
#3840 [22:25] <xales> Just because it doesn't work for you doesn't mean it doesn't exist
#3841 [22:25] <froom> thats what ive been doing for the past 5 hours no one wants to help
#3842 [22:25] <Oerg866> xales: What is the "right way" then?
#3843 [22:25] <xales> Oerg866: I don't know. It depends on several things
#3844 [22:25] <Oerg866> I installed the official repository, and clicked on it in the programs menu,
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#3847 [22:25] <Lampshade> Is it Hackers? Alot of people have beein saying that
#3848 [22:26] <Oerg866> It showed up, I clicked buttons that made sense to use, and they didn't do anything. Even the one sthat are supposed to bring up configuration screens didn't work.
#3849 [22:26] <Oerg866> I like my FlyCapDS and VirtualDub setup as it is.
#3850 [22:26] <xales> Lampshade: Lol, no. It isn't
#3851 [22:26] <midnightdirge> well, gotta restart... may or not brb
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#3853 [22:26] <Oerg866> bttv is also not really friendly with one of my two capture cards.
#3854 [22:26] <Lampshade> Ok, Then it's just because of The restart?
#3855 [22:26] <Red_M> does anyone no how to delete the heartbeat cache of a minecraft server?
#3856 [22:26] <xales> Lampshade: It is because they are moving the server host to a new platform
#3857 [22:27] <Lampshade> Yes, So the servers might go back down?
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#3859 [22:27] <Oerg866> I will now go to bed. Thank you for this lovely and idiotic discussion about OSs.
#3860 [22:27] <Red_M> cant they do a redirect?
#3861 [22:27] <Lampshade> How long does it take for The heartbeat cache to restart?
#3862 [22:27] <Oerg866> (note: "LOL UPGRADE" is not exactly helpful.)
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#3864 [22:28] <Kealper> O.o
#3865 [22:28] <xales> Red_M: Try clearing DNS cache
#3866 [22:28] <xales> or something
#3867 [22:28] <xales> I have no idea where it caches it
#3868 [22:28] <Red_M> ok how?
#3869 [22:28] <xales> Google
#3870 [22:28] <xales> "Windows (version) clear dns cache"
#3871 [22:28] <xales> ._.
#3872 [22:29] <Red_M> ok 1 sec
#3873 [22:29] <Lampshade> Hmm
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#3875 [22:30] <feenyx> ipconfig /flushdns
#3876 [22:30] <Red_M> ok i did it
#3877 [22:30] <Red_M> i can send you my heartbeat logs if you want
#3878 [22:31] <Lampshade> What's your server name?
#3879 [22:31] <Red_M> mine?
#3880 [22:31] <Lampshade> Yes
#3881 [22:31] <Red_M> i have two
#3882 [22:31] <Lampshade> Their names?
#3883 [22:31] <Red_M> both of them start with
#3884 [22:31] <Red_M> REDMANIA
#3885 [22:31] <Lampshade> Not on the server list yet
#3886 [22:32] <Red_M> ok irestarted my lava survival one check now
#3887 [22:32] <Lampshade> Nope
#3888 [22:33] <Red_M> i can send my heartbeat logs if you want
#3889 [22:33] <Lampshade> I don't know much about servers
#3890 [22:33] <Lampshade> Wouldn't do much
#3891 [22:33] <Red_M> ok i will check
#3892 [22:33] <Lampshade> Ok
#3893 [22:33] <AG_Elias> PSA: Stop copying java opts from the forums. They are designed for different servers than yours. Stop complaining to your hosting company because you are trying to use more processors than you have. Thank you.
#3894 [22:33] <Red_M> huh?
#3895 [22:34] <Lampshade> Ok, I'll let the kids out of My basement
#3896 [22:34] <xales> AG_Elias: ?
#3897 [22:34] <AG_Elias> xales: Just a friendly helpful tip about Minecraft servers.
#3898 [22:34] <Lampshade> Ok
#3899 [22:34] <Red_M> xales it didnt work
#3900 [22:35] <xales> Do you get a lot of people doing that? lol
#3901 [22:35] <xales> Red_M: Did you try googling around?
#3902 [22:35] <Red_M> yes
#3903 [22:35] <xales> No idea then, sorry
#3904 [22:35] <AG_Elias> I just finished with six people who copied the same post from the Minecraft forums, trying to use the settings for a 16 core server on their dual quad.
#3905 [22:35] <AG_Elias> er
#3906 [22:35] <AG_Elias> dual core
#3907 [22:35] <xales> rofl
#3908 [22:36] <AG_Elias> I have never seen a Minecraft server try to stop it's own java GC threads to run extra runs. It was hilarious.
#3909 [22:36] <xales> lol
#3910 [22:38] <AG_Elias> I need to make a forum post that goes into detail about the java options, just to stop people from doing *stupid* things to their Minecraft servers.
#3911 [22:38] <Red_M> i did nothing to mine it was working two days ago
#3912 [22:38] <Red_M> well.. my server
#3913 [22:39] <Red_M> well...servers
#3914 [22:39] <AG_Elias> Red_M, I am talking about the servers that try to squeeze all the performance they can get.
#3915 [22:40] <AG_Elias> I run a 200 slot server, where it actually matters. I see 10 slot servers trying to do it and I just have to laugh.
#3916 [22:43] <Red_M> ok
#3917 [22:47] <Red_M> should i clear my java cache?
#3918 [22:47] <Red_M> cause i found my java cache
#3919 [22:47] <xales> try it
#3920 [22:47] <Red_M> ok
#3921 [22:47] <Red_M> ok restarting server
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#3923 [22:48] <Red_M> server restarted
#3924 [22:48] <dirge> doin dat thing again
#3925 [22:48] <Red_M> checking list
#3926 [22:48] <Red_M> nope
#3927 [22:48] <Red_M> didnt work
#3928 [22:48] <dirge> herp, seems nevermind
#3929 [22:49] <dirge> and the menu isnt lagging!!
#3930 [22:49] <dirge> *a very retard sounding* YAYYYY
#3931 [22:49] <Red_M> lol
#3932 [22:50] <dirge> har, it loaded my old save from the previous (of half an hour ago) OS
#3933 [22:50] <dirge> my god thats epic
#3934 [22:51] <Red_M> ok
#3935 [22:51] <Red_M> can anyone help me in anyway?
#3936 [22:51] <Red_M> i also got this error from MCDzienny
#3937 [22:51] <dirge> hey, anybody got a guess how large a server i can host with a 100mb connection and a 512k cache, with 2gigs of 800mhz and 8 gig swap?
#3938 [22:51] <Red_M> ----1/30/2011 1:48:05 PM ----
#3939 [22:51] <Red_M> Type: NullReferenceException
#3940 [22:51] <Red_M> Source: MCDzienny_
#3941 [22:51] <Red_M> Message: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
#3942 [22:51] <Red_M> Target: Pump
#3943 [22:51] <Red_M> Trace: at MCDzienny.Heartbeat.Pump(Beat type)
#3944 [22:51] <Red_M> at MCDzienny.Heartbeat.<Init>b__2(Object , ElapsedEventArgs )
#3945 [22:51] <Red_M> -------------------------
#3946 [22:51] <dirge> im guessing 30 myself
#3947 [22:51] <Red_M> thats wat i got
#3948 [22:52] <dirge> cool ^_^
#3949 [22:52] <xales> dirge: ask AG_Elias
#3950 [22:52] <Red_M> AG_Elias
#3951 [22:52] <dirge> who be s/he?
#3952 [22:52] <AG_Elias> I am here
#3953 [22:52] <Red_M> wat the hell does this mean?
#3954 [22:52] <Red_M> ----1/30/2011 1:48:05 PM ----
#3955 [22:52] <Red_M> Type: NullReferenceException
#3956 [22:52] <Red_M> Source: MCDzienny_
#3957 [22:52] <Red_M> Message: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
#3958 [22:52] <Red_M> Target: Pump
#3959 [22:52] <Red_M> Trace: at MCDzienny.Heartbeat.Pump(Beat type)
#3960 [22:52] <dirge> hey, anybody got a guess how large a server i can host with a 100mb connection and a 512k cache, with 2gigs of 800mhz and 8 gig swap?
#3961 [22:52] <Red_M> at MCDzienny.Heartbeat.<Init>b__2(Object , ElapsedEventArgs )
#3962 [22:52] <Red_M> -------------------------
#3963 [22:52] <dirge> im guessing 30 myself
#3964 [22:52] <dirge> to press up a few times
#3965 [22:52] <AG_Elias> dirge: Try 20.
#3966 [22:53] <dirge> cool
#3967 [22:53] <dirge> i needed an excuse to keep this brick on all the time
#3968 [22:53] <dirge> umm... server.jar can controll max players, right?
#3969 [22:54] <Red_M> actually in a good times (50-200Kbps) i can have 15 people on my servers
#3970 [22:54] <AG_Elias> dirge: server.properties
#3971 [22:54] <dirge> hey AG_E, you seem pretty sharp? whats a processor with 1/8M or 2/8M cache cost if oyu know?
#3972 [22:54] <dirge> thansk
#3973 [22:54] <Red_M> but really AG_Elias wat does it mean
#3974 [22:54] <Red_M> ----1/30/2011 1:48:05 PM ----
#3975 [22:54] <Red_M> Type: NullReferenceException
#3976 [22:54] <Red_M> Source: MCDzienny_
#3977 [22:54] <Red_M> Message: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
#3978 [22:54] <Red_M> Target: Pump
#3979 [22:54] <Red_M> Trace: at MCDzienny.Heartbeat.Pump(Beat type)
#3980 [22:54] <Red_M> at MCDzienny.Heartbeat.<Init>b__2(Object , ElapsedEventArgs )
#3981 [22:54] <Red_M> -------------------------
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#3983 [22:54] <AG_Elias> Red_M: Stop spamming, and I do not know the context of that. Where are you getting it?
#3984 [22:54] <dirge> and also, how high does it go? i mean, is there 16? 32?
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#3986 [22:55] <AG_Elias> dirge: I deal in servers, not desktop computer.
#3987 [22:55] <dirge> (not being a jerk) how ironic
#3988 [22:55] <Red_M> i got it from MCDzienny
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#3990 [22:55] <Red_M> my lava survival server
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#3992 [22:55] <dirge> :) thanks all
#3993 [22:55] <Red_M> at start up
#3994 [22:55] <Red_M> and i wasnt trying to spam
#3995 [22:56] <dirge> imma do something unusual and idle instead
#3996 [22:56] <dirge> wait, i think i get it
#3997 [22:56] <AG_Elias> Red_M, sorry, if you are running it on a desktop setup, I cannot help you.
#3998 [22:56] <Red_M> desktop setup?
#3999 [22:56] <dirge> why my proc was ripping up on the old OS
#4000 [22:56] <Red_M> ????
#4001 [22:57] <AG_Elias> Red_M, is that in your server console?
#4002 [22:57] <dirge> the game was using nvidia drivers, but i had to restart to enable them... so i guess my CPU was doing the GPUs work
#4003 [22:57] <Red_M> not in the console TAB but in the errors tab
#4004 [22:57] <AG_Elias> Is this a classic server?
#4005 [22:57] <Red_M> yes
#4006 [22:57] <Red_M> i need to clear the heart beat cache
#4007 [22:57] <Red_M> i dont no how
#4008 [22:58] <Red_M> do you no how?
#4009 [22:59] <AG_Elias> I would suggest hard stopping the server and restarting it.
#4010 [22:59] <Red_M> hard stopping?
#4011 [22:59] <Red_M> i can just close it
#4012 [22:59] <Red_M> which i did
#4013 [22:59] <Red_M> heaps of times
#4014 [22:59] <AG_Elias> Is this running on your desktop computer?
#4015 [22:59] <Red_M> laptop comp
#4016 [22:59] <dirge> nother question: what does lauching the server with the special commands in the term do? does it free up extra ram?
#4017 [22:59] <AG_Elias> I cannot help you, sorry.
#4018 [23:00] <Red_M> ok do u no who can?
#4019 [23:00] <AG_Elias> dirge: It allows you to pass java options, which can make your server run better.
#4020 [23:00] <AG_Elias> Red_M, sorry, no.
#4021 [23:00] <Red_M> damn it
#4022 [23:00] <dirge> cool. i can free up alot of ram
#4023 [23:00] <Red_M> anyone no the mclawl irc
#4024 [23:00] <dirge> and a huge amout of swap
#4025 [23:00] <AG_Elias> But please, for the love of God, do not use some random java options you found on the forums.
#4026 [23:00] <AG_Elias> Do. Not. Use. Swap.
#4027 [23:00] <Red_M> channel
#4028 [23:01] <dirge> oh, why?
#4029 [23:01] <Red_M> ok i dont use swap
#4030 [23:01] <dirge> i mean, besides its slow
#4031 [23:01] <Red_M> anyways wat is it?
#4032 [23:01] <AG_Elias> SWAP will kill your server with lag.
#4033 [23:01] <Red_M> ok
#4034 [23:01] <xales> and your hard drive!
#4035 [23:01] <dirge> that makes sense
#4036 [23:01] <dirge> oh, it doesnt write right?
#4037 [23:01] <AG_Elias> So make sure you don't let your server go into it.
#4038 [23:01] <Red_M> anyone no the mclawl irc channel????
#4039 [23:01] <AG_Elias> Use RAM.
#4040 [23:01] <dirge> i mean, it pulls the windwos problem of not un-writing?
#4041 [23:02] <AG_Elias> Red_M, please keep this channel on topic.
#4042 [23:02] <Red_M> i want ot no the channel name
#4043 [23:02] <Red_M> to
#4044 [23:02] <AG_Elias> dirge: No, SWAP just sucks for servers.
#4045 [23:02] <AG_Elias> Red_M, type /list
#4046 [23:02] <Red_M> ok
#4047 [23:02] <dirge> well, of course its slow... i mean, i only got a practical 60MB/s
#4048 [23:02] <dirge> i understand that...
#4049 [23:03] <dirge> but i was wondering if it can used as a backup for ram, as it is naturaly
#4050 [23:03] <AG_Elias> Let me put it this way, once your server goes into swap, your game becomes unplayable.
#4051 [23:03] <Red_M> huh i use xchat and it can find the channels for me but no mclawl channel
#4052 [23:03] <dirge> ah
#4053 [23:03] <AG_Elias> Red_M, then I guess you will need to go on a epic IRC adventure to find the hidden channel.
#4054 [23:03] <dirge> so, for ram, i should only assign what im sure wont be used?
#4055 [23:03] <dirge> i got 1.9G
#4056 [23:03] <Red_M> is swap apart of windows like ram?
#4057 [23:04] <dirge> uhhh... its called something different in windows
#4058 [23:04] <AG_Elias> dirge, I would recommend your total RAM - 5-10%
#4059 [23:04] <Red_M> so there is hidden channels now?
#4060 [23:04] <dirge> im using linux
#4061 [23:04] <dirge> ah, i see... exelent
#4062 [23:04] <dirge> i believe its page file in windows
#4063 [23:04] <Red_M> quick get him he isnt using the holy operating system of the GODS!
#4064 [23:04] <dirge> it never hurts to set it up to a gig or two
#4065 [23:05] <dirge> i got mine to 8 gigs
#4066 [23:05] <AG_Elias> Red_M, try #help for channel help
#4067 [23:05] <Red_M> whoa way too much
#4068 [23:05] <dirge> and thats on an athalon 4400+
#4069 [23:05] <dirge> well, i have spare harddrive... thats for sure
#4070 [23:05] <AG_Elias> dirge: I normally set my SWAP equal to my RAM for linux. But then again, if you are going into SWAP, you are already screwed.
#4071 [23:06] <dirge> i though my HDD broke, so i went out an bought a new one
#4072 [23:06] <dirge> i understand, but i do sometimes get big accumulations of open videos and such, to save various servers bandwidth
#4073 [23:06] <Red_M> i use 2gigs - 3 gigs (3 gigs being the max windows can use at any one time)
#4074 [23:07] <dirge> ah... red, i warn you of something about the emergency
#4075 [23:07] <dirge> something they mighta fixed i nteh new windwos
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#4077 [23:07] <Lampshade> Guys?
#4078 [23:07] <AG_Elias> Red_M, that is only true for 32 bit windows.
#4079 [23:07] <dirge> but if it ever goes into the emergency, it get permanantly filled up harddrive
#4080 [23:07] <AG_Elias> Lampshade: We are not only males, but do continue.
#4081 [23:07] <Lampshade> Woah, There's another Sex?
#4082 [23:08] <AG_Elias> Yes.
#4083 [23:08] <Lampshade> When did this happen?
#4084 [23:08] <Red_M> is there a minecraft servers help channel?
#4085 [23:08] <Red_M> lol
#4086 [23:08] <Lampshade> I wish
#4087 [23:08] <AG_Elias> About 3,000 or 16 million years ago, depending on who you ask.
#4088 [23:08] <AG_Elias> What is your question?
#4089 [23:08] <dirge> those things with cans of stingy liquid
#4090 [23:08] <Red_M> lol
#4091 [23:08] <Lampshade> Oh, Nothinf
#4092 [23:08] <Red_M> (wets pants
#4093 [23:08] <Red_M> )
#4094 [23:08] <Lampshade> Just bored waiting for Servers to start working
#4095 [23:08] <Red_M> (pants turn brown)
#4096 [23:08] <AG_Elias> Red_M, this one counts for vanilla minecraft servers.
#4097 [23:09] <Red_M> (pants turn browner)
#4098 [23:09] <AG_Elias> However, third party modifications should be brought to their respective channels.
#4099 [23:09] <Lampshade> Actually, Why are The servers so Messed up?
#4100 [23:09] <AG_Elias> Because God hates you.
#4101 [23:09] <Lampshade> I know
#4102 [23:10] <AG_Elias> Because you Hate capitalization?
#4103 [23:10] <Red_M> lol
#4104 [23:10] <Lampshade> I tried telling him I'm sorry on FaceBook
#4105 [23:10] <Red_M> hehehe
#4106 [23:10] <Lampshade> I do capitialaize
#4107 [23:10] <dirge> bECAUSE CAPS LOCK IS cRUISE cONTROLL FOR COOL?
#4108 [23:10] <Lampshade> When I cam.
#4109 [23:10] <Red_M> lol
#4110 [23:10] <Lampshade> I don't have Caps Lock on
#4111 [23:11] <dirge> oh u.... nevermind
#4112 [23:11] <Lampshade> Hmm, so can I get an actual answer? Or do you guys nt know either?
#4113 [23:11] <AG_Elias> What seems to be the issue, Lampshade?
#4114 [23:11] <Lampshade> Nothing
#4115 [23:12] <Lampshade> I just feel like derping around
#4116 [23:12] <Lampshade> Until, The classic server I love comes back up
#4117 [23:12] <Red_M> which is mine
#4118 [23:12] <Red_M> lol
#4119 [23:12] <Lampshade> You wish
#4120 [23:12] <xales> what on earth is happening to my channel
#4121 [23:12] <xales> :'(
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#4123 [23:12] <Lampshade> What?
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#4125 [23:12] <Red_M> all ur servers belong to us now
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#4127 [23:13] <Lampshade> This is your channel?
#4128 [23:13] <Red_M> lol
#4129 [23:13] <AG_Elias> Yes, despite a operator tag, this is in fact his channel.
#4130 [23:13] <Red_M> xales: all ur servers belong to us now
#4131 [23:13] <Red_M> lol
#4132 [23:13] <Lampshade> Well, Like 7 People have a Star
#4133 [23:13] <Red_M> best thing for creative servers
#4134 [23:14] <Red_M> well op idents is diffrent deppeneding on wat program website or any thing you use to connect to irc
#4135 [23:14] <Lampshade> Hmm
#4136 [23:14] <Red_M> for xchat it is a green circle
#4137 [23:14] <xales> RFC1918 says @
#4138 [23:15] <xales> therefor, it is @
#4139 [23:15] <xales> clients not using @ do not conform to the RFC
#4140 [23:15] <Red_M> it differs
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#4142 [23:15] <Lampshade> it does have an @
#4143 [23:15] <xales> in any case
#4144 [23:15] <Red_M> RFC?
#4145 [23:15] <xales> it doesn't matter
#4146 [23:15] <Lampshade> But Like 7 people have that
#4147 [23:15] <Red_M> watch u on bout boy?
#4148 [23:15] <AG_Elias> Because those seven people are IRC channel operators.
#4149 [23:15] <Lampshade> Anyways, So do you think I should buy Minecraft?
#4150 [23:15] <Red_M> oh for gods sake
#4151 [23:16] <Lampshade> Then How culd I tell who is the owner?
#4152 [23:16] <Lampshade> Damn new keyboard.
#4153 [23:16] <Red_M> the foundry
#4154 [23:16] <Red_M> founder
#4155 [23:16] <Red_M> not owner
#4156 [23:16] <xales> No operator has any more privs than any other
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#4158 [23:16] <xales> excluding ChanServ
#4159 [23:16] <AG_Elias> This is not a IRC support channel. Please use #help
#4160 [23:16] <xales> and that^
#4161 [23:16] <Red_M> the owner is who owns the server the channel is on at the mom
#4162 [23:16] <Maddogg101> What happened to all of the servers?
#4163 [23:16] <Lampshade> Bahh
#4164 [23:16] <AG_Elias> Maddogg101, classic servers?
#4165 [23:16] <xales> Red_M: There isn't one server. lulz
#4166 [23:16] <Lampshade> Maddog-Notch
#4167 [23:16] <Red_M> they ran away
#4168 [23:17] <Maddogg101> Yesh, the classic servers
#4169 [23:17] <Red_M> i no there is more than one server
#4170 [23:17] * xales pokes AG_Elias with a potential client in #minecraft
#4170 [23:17] <Red_M> there is one in london and other places
#4171 [23:17] <xales> k
#4172 [23:17] <dirge> so, with the xmx and xms, do i put the 1.75G i can spare on each, or split it?
#4173 [23:17] <xales> they don't run the channels, however
#4174 [23:18] <Red_M> i no!
#4175 [23:18] <xales> dirge: They should both be the same. If you have 1.75G to spare, both sohuld be 1.75G
#4176 [23:18] <Maddogg101> I see 18 total servers on Minecraft classic right now, Why is that?
#4177 [23:18] <dirge> okay, tahnks
#4178 [23:18] <xales> Maddogg101: The stuff changed, and the servers have to re-list themselves
#4179 [23:18] <Red_M> because oh i cant be bothered
#4180 [23:18] <xales> which takes a bit of time
#4181 [23:19] <Maddogg101> Ok, When should they all be there BTW?
#4182 [23:19] <Lampshade> Do they do it automatically
#4183 [23:19] <Lampshade> 12 Hours 12 Minutes and 13 Seconds
#4184 [23:19] <Red_M> does any one no when the heartbeat cache resets?
#4185 [23:19] <Maddogg101> Will all of our stuff be there?
#4186 [23:20] <Lampshade> 12 Hours 12 Minutes and 10 Seconds
#4187 [23:20] <Red_M> the heartbeat url changed
#4188 [23:20] <Lampshade> Has it done this before?
#4189 [23:20] <Red_M> and so the servers dont no that and keep trying the old url and fail every time
#4190 [23:20] <Maddogg101> Ok, thank you Gentlemen
#4191 [23:20] <Lampshade> I know that Red
#4192 [23:20] <xales> Red_M: It probably won't because you are running a mod. you probably ned to wait for it to update
#4193 [23:21] <Lampshade> Is the update to Stop wom?
#4194 [23:21] <Red_M> now i am going to kill a puppy and come back and if it isnt fixed another one dies
#4195 [23:21] <Red_M> no
#4196 [23:21] <Lampshade> Ok, because I see WOM:
#4197 [23:21] <Lampshade> Infront of servers
#4198 [23:22] <Red_M> the HEARTBEAT URL changed
#4199 [23:22] <Lampshade> I know
#4200 [23:22] <Red_M> i am using the wom client it works fine
#4201 [23:22] <Lampshade> Ok
#4202 [23:22] <Red_M> right come here you stupid puupy and die!
#4203 [23:22] <Lampshade> Because, I kept re-spawning in some
#4204 [23:22] <Red_M> (kills small dog)
#4205 [23:22] <xales> Red_M: No, I mean the server mod
#4206 [23:22] <Lampshade> Like every Hals second
#4207 [23:22] <xales> ._.
#4208 [23:23] <Red_M> i no the mods need the update
#4209 [23:23] <xales> why are you here complaining then?
#4210 [23:23] <xales> there isn't anything we can do
#4211 [23:23] <Lampshade> We know
#4212 [23:24] <Lampshade> I's like when you flick on the light, When the power is off
#4213 [23:24] <Lampshade> Just for the Hell of it
#4214 [23:24] <Red_M> oh god damn it the mcfroge page is down
#4215 [23:24] <Lampshade> McForge?
#4216 [23:24] <Red_M> yeah
#4217 [23:25] <Lampshade> Bahh
#4218 [23:25] <Lampshade> How is Mcforge and Minecraft down?
#4219 [23:25] <Red_M> oh god
#4220 [23:25] <Red_M> minecraft isnt down
#4221 [23:25] <Lampshade> Yes it is!
#4222 [23:25] * Sqozza [Sqozza@notlogged] has joined ##MineCraftHelp
#4223 [23:25] <Lampshade> I said so, Therefore it is!
#4224 [23:26] <Red_M> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ go there and put www.minecraft.net
#4225 [23:26] <Sqozza> Or click here.
#4226 [23:26] <Sqozza> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www.minecraft.net
#4227 [23:26] <Lampshade> It was a joke
#4228 [23:26] <Lampshade> God, I need to work on my world
#4229 [23:26] * chuckles [chuckles@notlogged] has joined ##MineCraftHelp
#4230 [23:27] <Lampshade> I've had like 14 Ideas for it
#4231 [23:27] <Lampshade> And I can't build any of it?
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#4233 [23:27] <Red_M> i can get on my server but it is boring cause it is only me
#4234 [23:27] <Sqozza> Harro xales.
#4235 [23:27] <Sqozza> :>
#4236 [23:27] <Lampshade> At least you can build on your own world
#4237 [23:27] <Red_M> so?
#4238 [23:28] <Red_M> i have finished with all that
#4239 [23:28] <Lampshade> All the servers on tthe server list are stupid
#4240 [23:28] <Lampshade> I see yoour point.
#4241 [23:28] <xales> Hi Sqozza
#4242 [23:28] <Lampshade> I have a question
#4243 [23:28] <xales> I have one too
#4244 [23:28] <chuckles> Red_M, pm me the ip
#4245 [23:28] <Lampshade> Do you know?
#4246 [23:28] <Lampshade> Now
#4247 [23:28] <Red_M> pm where?
#4248 [23:28] * Mas3212 [Mas3212@notlogged] has joined ##MineCraftHelp
#4249 [23:29] <Lampshade> AutoFill
#4250 [23:29] <Mas3212> Anyone on?
#4251 [23:29] <chuckles> Red_M, wait is it only you on your server because nobody else can join?
#4252 [23:29] <Lampshade> I am Not on.
#4253 [23:29] <Red_M> http://www.minecraft.net/play.jsp?ip=122.104.165.9&port=25566
#4254 [23:29] <Red_M> only me
#4255 [23:30] <Kealper> xales: you should totally type !ping in here
#4256 [23:30] <xales> !ping
#4257 [23:30] <Red_M> http://www.minecraft.net/play.jsp?ip=122.104.165.9&port=25565
#4258 [23:30] <crickets> xales Your Ping time was 3.475 Seconds.
#4259 [23:30] <Red_M> the second one
#4260 [23:30] <Sqozza> Bots!
#4261 [23:30] * Sqozza squees
#4261 [23:30] <Red_M> the first one is my lava server
#4262 [23:30] * jamiller [jamiller@notlogged] has joined ##MineCraftHelp
#4263 [23:30] <Red_M> and bots will be banned
#4264 [23:30] <xales> Sqozza: policy here on bots is a bit different
#4265 [23:30] <Kealper> looks like irssi does wait 3 sec before responding to ctcps
#4266 [23:30] <xales> Sqozza: crickets/GreyBot and AuBot are official bots
#4267 [23:31] <Sqozza> :>
#4268 [23:31] <Red_M> and the poclicy on my server about bots NONE AT ALL
#4269 [23:31] <xales> why do I care?
#4270 [23:31] <jamiller> Whos going to make the next new minecraft website template!<<
#4271 [23:31] <Sqozza> Red_M, what about aimbots?
#4272 [23:31] <AG_Elias> xales: How much do we enforce the no outside discussions rule?
#4273 [23:31] <Red_M> ANY BOTS
#4274 [23:32] <Sqozza> Oh noes, I cannot headshot you all then.
#4275 [23:32] <Red_M> feel free to join my server at http://www.minecraft.net/play.jsp?ip=122.104.165.9&port=25565
#4276 [23:32] <xales> AG_Elias: Only when it gets out of hand or someone needs help
#4277 [23:32] <xales> but in this case
#4278 [23:32] * xales kicked Red_M from #MineCraftHelp (Reason: Don't advertise)
#4279 [23:32] * Red_M [Red_M@notlogged] has joined ##MineCraftHelp
#4280 [23:32] <Red_M> srry
#4281 [23:32] <Red_M> afk
#4282 [23:33] * xales kicked Red_M from #MineCraftHelp (Reason: Does it really take that much effort to type like a person?)
#4283 [23:33] <Sqozza> I've never seen a greater hive of scum and stupidity..
#4284 [23:33] <Mikau> I have.
#4285 [23:33] <xales> Sqozza: It isn't this bad..usually
#4286 [23:33] <Mikau> But I was watching Resident Evil
#4287 [23:33] <Mikau> That damn hive.
#4288 [23:33] <Sqozza> Mikau, excluding #minecraft. :P
#4289 [23:33] * Red_M [Red_M@notlogged] has joined ##MineCraftHelp
#4290 [23:33] <xales> Sqozza: there are much, much worse channels
#4291 [23:34] <jamiller> Sqozza well minus the period
#4292 [23:34] <Red_M> i am sorry
#4293 [23:34] <Sqozza> Heheh.
#4294 [23:35] <AG_Elias> xales: You remember that guy I was talking about earlier who had his Minecraft using more processors than his server actually had? I just figured it out. Every time he has lag in the server, he increase all of his settings by 1 and restarts it.
#4295 [23:35] <xales> ._.
#4296 [23:35] <dirge> huh, it says will not bind to port and that someone is already using it... i just put in mine with :65536
#4297 [23:36] <feenyx> you can't do 65536
#4298 [23:36] <dirge> separated in options
#4299 [23:36] <Sqozza> Try 25565.
#4300 [23:36] <dirge> 65535 i mean
#4301 [23:36] <xales> dirge: Bad idea to use that port
#4302 [23:36] <Sqozza> My server is on 9001.
#4303 [23:36] <xales> dirge: Also, make sure the server-ip line is empty
#4304 [23:37] <Mikau> why does that line exist?
#4305 [23:37] <dirge> how is this done?
#4306 [23:37] <xales> Mikau: For people with more than one IP
#4307 [23:37] <xales> but those people tend to know how to get it set up on their own
#4308 [23:37] <xales> dirge: in server.properties
#4309 [23:37] <Red_M> xales join my channel
#4310 [23:37] <xales> Red_M: No
#4311 [23:38] <Red_M> i will tell you my server url
#4312 [23:38] * Lampshade [Lampshade@notlogged] has joined ##MineCraftHelp
#4313 [23:38] <Mikau> My server is named Earl
#4314 [23:38] * xales kicked Red_M from #MineCraftHelp (Reason: Lolno)
#4315 [23:38] <Sqozza> lolxales.
#4316 [23:38] <Mikau> James 'Earl' Jones
#4317 [23:38] * Sqozza hangs a Lampshade
#4317 [23:38] <Lampshade> Aww
#4318 [23:38] * Red_M [Red_M@notlogged] has joined ##MineCraftHelp
#4319 [23:38] <Lampshade> Racist bastard
#4320 [23:38] <Red_M> away from my keyborads
#4321 [23:39] <Red_M> keyboard
#4322 [23:39] * xales kicked Red_M from #MineCraftHelp (Reason: I don't care)
#4323 [23:39] <xales> you want a turn sqozzy?
#4324 [23:39] <Sqozza> Sure, why not.
#4325 [23:39] <xales> ill op you for a half-second when he comes back in
#4326 [23:39] * Sqozza sniggers.
#4326 [23:39] <dirge> umm... what are ports and why have so many been filled so far?
#4327 [23:40] <Lampshade> Ports are Tollways
#4328 [23:40] <Lampshade> Kind of
#4329 [23:40] <xales> dirge: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=port+networking
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#4331 [23:40] <GreyVulpine> Um, there's 65535 ports
#4332 [23:40] <GreyVulpine> Only 1-1024 are reserved
#4333 [23:41] * chuckles [chuckles@notlogged] has left #MineCraftHelp
#4334 [23:42] <dirge> there seems to be a server on every port i plug in
#4335 [23:42] <GreyVulpine> ...
#4336 [23:42] <dirge> about 10 or so now
#4337 [23:42] <GreyVulpine> Could you start from the beginning, and tell me what's going on?
#4338 [23:42] <xales> dirge: You have the server-ip line filled in then
#4339 [23:43] <dirge> yep... my own, is that a bad idea?
#4340 [23:43] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#4341 [23:43] <dirge> oh
#4342 [23:43] <GreyVulpine> Remove it
#4343 [23:43] <GreyVulpine> change the port back to default, 25565
#4344 [23:43] * mib_4fiy6i [mib_4fiy6i@notlogged] has joined ##MineCraftHelp
#4345 [23:44] <dirge> no, i mean the ip its set to...
#4346 [23:44] <dirge> i just set it to my own not knowing
#4347 [23:44] <mib_4fiy6i> Hey im still new to multiplayer and I was wondering how you set up like a multiplayer account with somone?
#4348 [23:44] <dirge> 99.251.etc
#4349 [23:45] <xales> mib_4fiy6i: What do you mean?
#4350 [23:45] <dirge> brb
#4351 [23:45] <mib_4fiy6i> well like how do you play multi player with somone
#4352 [23:46] <xales> You join a server with them
#4353 [23:46] <mib_4fiy6i> Yeah that, how do I create my own
#4354 [23:46] <mib_4fiy6i> the multiplayer where you can play together and save your adventure?
#4355 [23:47] <xales> mib_4fiy6i: You own the game, correct?
#4356 [23:47] <mib_4fiy6i> Yes I do
#4357 [23:47] * Mathuin [Mathuin@notlogged] has joined ##MineCraftHelp
#4358 [23:47] <xales> mib_4fiy6i: It isn't a good idea to run a server if you don't have prior experience with networking/running servers
#4359 [23:47] <xales> it is much easier to find a different one to play on
#4360 [23:48] <xales> then you don't have to deal with setting it up, port forwarding, keeping your computer on, saving the world, etc
#4361 [23:48] <Mathuin> Is there an easy way to name the worlds, instead of 1 2 3 4 5 ?
#4362 [23:48] <Mathuin> I want words. :-P
#4363 [23:48] <xales> It is on a list of things to add in the near future
#4364 [23:48] <Sqozza> There is a mod, I think.
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#4366 [23:48] <mib_4fiy6i> Oh well if I did do it, would the guide on minepedia work?
#4367 [23:49] <xales> It would guide you through running the server
#4368 [23:49] <Mathuin> If it doesn't, you can always edit it. :-)
#4369 [23:49] <xales> not making it so other can connect to it
#4370 [23:49] <xales> >.>
#4371 [23:50] <mib_4fiy6i> wait what do you mean
#4372 [23:50] <Mathuin> "running a server" does not include "making it possible for other people outside your location to reach your server".
#4373 [23:50] <Mathuin> Stuff like "port forwarding".
#4374 [23:50] <xales> ^
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#4376 [23:51] <mib_4fiy6i> oh okay is their any sort of guide for doing that?
#4377 [23:51] <xales> http://portforward.com/
#4378 [23:52] <dirge> can i set the ip adress to anything i want, like servers?
#4379 [23:53] <xales> dirge: No, the server-ip line must be empty
#4380 [23:53] <dirge> and that is my ip, right?
#4381 [23:54] * Odium_xXx [Odium_xXx@notlogged] has joined ##MineCraftHelp
#4382 [23:54] <mib_4fiy6i> oh oka
#4383 [23:54] <xales> dirge: No, Empty means empty
#4384 [23:54] <mib_4fiy6i> y
#4385 [23:54] <xales> it should literally read
#4386 [23:54] * Cial [Cial@notlogged] has joined ##MineCraftHelp
#4387 [23:54] <xales> server-ip=
#4388 [23:54] <xales> Hi Cial
#4389 [23:54] <xales> you can KICK with chanserv now
#4390 [23:54] <dirge> i get that, but how do i log into my own
#4391 [23:54] <xales> in here
#4392 [23:55] <xales> dirge: If the server is running, you just type in your IP in the IP box
#4393 [23:55] <Odium_xXx> dirge -> are you hving trouble connecting to your own server?
#4394 [23:55] <dirge> okay... do i have to list a port?
#4395 [23:55] <dirge> im always having trouble
#4396 [23:55] <Cial> i know
#4397 [23:55] <xales> dirge: Only if you aren't using 25565
#4398 [23:55] <Odium_xXx> dirge -> connecting from the same PC or LAN ?
#4399 [23:55] <xales> Cial: ok
#4400 [23:55] <dirge> okay, cool
#4401 [23:56] <dirge> seems to be working
#4402 [23:57] * Odium_xXx shuts up
#4402 [23:57] <dirge> failed to connect
#4403 [23:57] <Odium_xXx> aha
#4404 [23:57] <Odium_xXx> you're having the same prob I did.
#4405 [23:57] <Odium_xXx> k.
#4406 [23:58] <Odium_xXx> so you're connecting to...
#4407 [23:58] <dirge> my own
#4408 [23:58] <Odium_xXx> the link is....http://www.minecraft.net/play.jsp?ip=XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX&port=25565 ?
#4409 [23:58] <Odium_xXx> where xxx. etc is your IP ?
#4410 [23:58] <dirge> erm... any way i can play in the .jar?
#4411 [23:59] <Odium_xXx> dirge -> do you want help or not
#4412 [23:59] <dirge> okay
#4413 [23:59] <Odium_xXx> is that the address you're trying to connect to?
#4414 [23:59] <GreyVulpine> Is dirge doing classic or beta?
#4415 [23:59] <xales> I think beta
#4416 [23:59] <dirge> beta
#4417 [23:59] <GreyVulpine> Then that link won't work
#4418 [23:59] <Sqozza> If it's for beta, you need to connect via the IP.
#4419 [23:59] <Odium_xXx> Ooh
#4420 [23:59] <Odium_xXx> no it won't