#1 [00:00] <xales> Nolan: Click on 'connection type' under Internet WAN
#2 [00:00] <xales> and screenshot that
#3 [00:00] <Nolan> http://cl.ly/0k160v0D3j1P3F2o2q2h
#4 [00:00] <xales> Nolan: Is there any address listed there?
#5 [00:01] <Nolan> No thats all the info on the screen
#6 [00:01] <Nolan> I hve to pick one of thoughs
#7 [00:01] <xales> Nolan: In the top right, where it says 'Status: Connected'
#8 [00:01] <xales> is the 'Connected' a link?
#9 [00:01] <Nolan> Nope
#10 [00:02] <MediocreDan> Alright, Firewall's off; testing internets on the desktop.
#11 [00:02] <xales> Nolan: try 'Home' maybe?
#12 [00:02] <MediocreDan> studies show, no connection..
#13 [00:02] <MediocreDan> x.x;
#14 [00:02] <GreyVulpine> Bah!
#15 [00:02] <Nolan> Ok Im gonna PM you this screen shot incase it have pirvet info
#16 [00:02] <xales> ok
#17 [00:03] <xales> Nolan: Yup, there it is. Also, nothing there is particularly sensitive, so no worries
#18 [00:03] <Nolan> ok
#19 [00:03] <Nolan> Now what
#20 [00:03] <xales> Now, you need to log into the first router, which would be 192.168.2.1
#21 [00:04] <xales> and do the same port-forward, 25565 and Both/TCP, but forward it to the address 192.168.2.2
#22 [00:04] <Nolan> This is different lol http://cl.ly/0s2x1h3e0A3J2F1c143i
#23 [00:05] <xales> Look under NAT maybe?
#24 [00:05] <xales> screenshot the NAT page
#25 [00:05] <Nolan> http://cl.ly/3y0e3W461M001d0f2I2J
#26 [00:06] <xales> go back one and try Firewall
#27 [00:06] <Nolan> http://cl.ly/0f2L0q3O432h0a2a1o1S
#28 [00:07] <xales> Nolan: Can you look on the modem itself, and find a model number?
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#30 [00:07] <arron> hello all
#31 [00:07] <xales> hello
#32 [00:07] <GreyVulpine> MediocreDan - Try setting "Obtain ip address automatically" back on both the laptop's LAN adapter, and the desktop's
#33 [00:08] <arron> is anyone havnting probs useing the offcel Beta! server?
#34 [00:08] <GreyVulpine> arron - Nope
#35 [00:08] <xales> nope
#36 [00:09] <Nolan> Found this: http://cl.ly/0q3p3o2s0S2Z1o0c2H2J
#37 [00:09] <arron> well then i cant use it for the past two days from logging into my sever to being super laggy and almost unplayable to 504 eorrs when logging in#
#38 [00:09] <xales> Nolan: Nope - would be more helpful to have a model number, so then I can look up documentation
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#40 [00:10] <Nolan> of the router or the modem
#41 [00:10] <xales> arron: What are the specs of your computer?
#42 [00:10] <GreyVulpine> Where's the screenshot for "firewall" again Nolan?
#43 [00:10] <xales> Nolan: modem
#44 [00:10] <MediocreDan> Internet says "No deal >;O" :S
#45 [00:10] <xales> GreyVulpine: http://cl.ly/0f2L0q3O432h0a2a1o1S
#46 [00:10] <SeanBad_> Hey guys
#47 [00:10] <GreyVulpine> Nolan - That doesn't pop anything up for me
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#49 [00:10] <Nolan> GreayVulpine: http://cl.ly/2w0j2t1M0W3k0z030B13
#50 [00:10] <GreyVulpine> MediocreDan - Um, well, crap
#51 [00:11] <Nolan> brb
#52 [00:11] <GreyVulpine> Nolan - Rule summary in firewall?
#53 [00:11] <arron> windows 7 64 bit 3gs of ram nivida 9400gt grafix card 360gs hard drive and 10mgs internet
#54 [00:12] <GreyVulpine> MediocreDan - By all accounts, this should be working, according to various websites, including microsoft's
#55 [00:12] <SeanBad_> Quick question, I can't find my Minecraft folder on my mac, where about can I download the folder so I can load in my own textures? Or am I oblivious?
#56 [00:12] <MediocreDan> x.x;
#57 [00:12] <GreyVulpine> SeanBad_ - ~/library/Application support/minecraft
#58 [00:12] <xales> SeanBad_: The folder is in (your home folder) - Library - Application Support - .minecraft
#59 [00:12] <SeanBad_> No no I scanned everywhere
#60 [00:13] <xales> SeanBad_: Open up Terminal (Applications->Utilities)
#61 [00:13] <GreyVulpine> MediocreDan - I could swear this works, I've got it set up the same way
#62 [00:13] <MediocreDan> let's see... let me make sure the ethernet cord's workin' properly x.x;
#63 [00:13] <SeanBad_> Yar
#64 [00:13] <MediocreDan> hang on\
#65 [00:13] <xales> Type in 'open ~/Library/Application\ Support/.minecraft'
#66 [00:13] <xales> without the quotes
#67 [00:13] <xales> and hit enter
#68 [00:13] <GreyVulpine> xales - I don't know if Mac has the .minecraft folder, or if it's just minecraft
#69 [00:13] <SeanBad_> interesting... i feel very idiotic thanks..
#70 [00:13] <SeanBad_> :)
#71 [00:13] <xales> GreyVulpine: It is .minecraft
#72 [00:14] <GreyVulpine> Okay, thanks
#73 [00:14] <Nolan> Grey: http://cl.ly/170P0q1p3x0k2J2f2X1P
#74 [00:15] <xales> GreyVulpine: No..wait
#75 [00:15] <xales> it isn't
#76 [00:15] <xales> ._.
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#78 [00:15] <GreyVulpine> Blarg?
#79 [00:15] <xales> Oh dear
#80 [00:15] <xales> that firewall looks like iptables to me
#81 [00:16] <xales> ._____.
#82 [00:16] <Nolan> Xales the Modem number is EQ-660R ADSL Router
#83 [00:16] <GreyVulpine> I have no clue what that firewall page is set up
#84 [00:16] * GreyVulpine googles
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#84 [00:17] <arron> any idears?
#85 [00:17] <xales> arron: Any mods on the server?
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#87 [00:17] <arron> its the defalt beta sever from minecraft .net
#88 [00:17] <xales> Nolan: http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/ZyXEL/EQ-660R/Minecraft_Server.htm
#89 [00:18] <KillSpammer> Erm wut
#90 [00:18] <KillSpammer> I'm lost
#91 [00:18] <xales> forward it to 192.168.2.2
#92 [00:18] <KillSpammer> Nomnomnom
#93 [00:18] <GreyVulpine> Aha
#94 [00:18] <KillSpammer> Magicka here i come.
#95 [00:18] <xales> arron: Do you have anything else running?
#96 [00:18] * KillSpammer high fives GreyVulpine
#96 [00:18] <arron> bat minecraft no
#97 [00:18] <arron> bar
#98 [00:18] <xales> arron: Do you get lag when you are the only one on the server?
#99 [00:19] <arron> for the last two days since the website didnt wanna work yea
#100 [00:20] <MediocreDan> ...my damn network adapter was not working correctly... a simple "Diagnose and Repair" fixed the issue I think, haven't tested opening the browser yet XD
#101 [00:20] <xales> arron: Does it lag if someone else is connected, and only them?
#102 [00:20] <arron> no not before this only started two days ago
#103 [00:21] <MediocreDan> IT WORKS!!!
#104 [00:21] <GreyVulpine> MediocreDan - *blinks*
#105 [00:21] <Nolan> Ok Xales done
#106 [00:21] <MediocreDan> It's... It's beautiful...
#107 [00:21] <xales> Nolan: See if it works now
#108 [00:21] <GreyVulpine> Oh thank god.
#109 [00:21] <Nolan> What Ip should I use?
#110 [00:21] <xales> Nolan: the one from whatismyip.com
#111 [00:22] <MediocreDan> I know.. right? XD
#112 [00:22] <MediocreDan> I think all I had to do ... was connect the computers and click "Diagnose and Repair"... and that would've done it... x_x;
#113 [00:22] <GreyVulpine> Well, at least you can play minecraft on your good computer now
#114 [00:22] <xales> arron: Can you download an run this http://darksigns.net/xales/mchelper.exe
#115 [00:22] <MediocreDan> Eff yeah.
#116 [00:22] <xales> and paste the last number it gives you?
#117 [00:22] <MediocreDan> Thank you, GreyVulpine. So very much.
#118 [00:22] <GreyVulpine> Hah, thanks for being so patient.
#119 [00:22] <MediocreDan> ^^ <3 lol
#120 [00:23] <arron> everything says o.k on it in green
#121 [00:23] <MediocreDan> Alright.. I'm going to go... totally... play some Minecraft on my buddies' server. XD This makes me SOOO HAPPY.
#122 [00:23] <xales> arron: What is the last number it gives you
#123 [00:23] <xales> before the 'press any key to quit'
#124 [00:23] <xales> xx.xx.xx.xx
#125 [00:24] <arron> 184.73.247.234
#126 [00:24] <Nolan> So whats now?
#127 [00:25] <xales> Nolan: It works?
#128 [00:25] <Nolan> No I get connection refused
#129 [00:25] <Nolan> Wit that IP
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#131 [00:25] <xales> Try connecting with 192.168.2.1
#132 [00:25] <MediocreDan> Thanks again, GreyVulpine.
#133 [00:25] <MediocreDan> I'm off. lol
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#135 [00:25] <GreyVulpine> No prob
#136 [00:25] <mnjiman> Hi, um, i need some assistance/question answered by the awesome people of the channel:P
#137 [00:25] <GreyVulpine> mnjiman - Shoot.
#138 [00:25] <xales> arron: Do you still get the 504 error?
#139 [00:25] <Nolan> Xales: Nopes
#140 [00:26] <arron> yea and then sometimes it works
#141 [00:26] <arron> and sometimes i get that
#142 [00:26] <xales> Nolan: Can you screenshot the port-forward?
#143 [00:26] <mnjiman> When I play minecraft it sometimes crashes followed by a black screen on the minecraft window
#144 [00:26] <xales> arron: What does the 504 error say?
#145 [00:26] <Nolan> on?
#146 [00:26] <mnjiman> I use a 64x64 text pack
#147 [00:26] <xales> Nolan: the second router, the 2.1
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#149 [00:26] <GreyVulpine> the modem/router you mean
#150 [00:26] <arron> it took me 3 hours to buy a gift code on minecraft .net for a friend because the website was whight even after loading
#151 [00:26] <mnjiman> idk if thats cuasing it or not, but it just started happening recently so -_-
#152 [00:27] <arron> www.minecraft.net/game/ ect
#153 [00:27] <Nolan> Xales: http://cl.ly/0M231h0o2e0g343K050d
#154 [00:27] <xales> Nolan: You need to put 192.168.2.2 in the 'Ip Address' box for that column
#155 [00:27] <xales> arron: What 504 error do you get
#156 [00:27] <Nolan> .2.2?
#157 [00:28] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#158 [00:28] <Nolan> ok
#159 [00:28] <arron> ive justed said canott fine www.minecraft.net/game and ect
#160 [00:29] <xales> arron: Can you give exactly what it says, or take a screenshot of it?
#161 [00:29] <Nolan> Ok Xales Done
#162 [00:29] <GreyVulpine> !isdown minecraft.net
#163 [00:29] <crickets> GreyVulpine: It's just you. http://minecraft.net is up.
#164 [00:29] <xales> Nolan: Try now
#165 [00:29] <Nolan> !92.168.2.1 is Refused
#166 [00:29] <xales> ?
#167 [00:29] <GreyVulpine> No, your external/public IP
#168 [00:30] <Nolan> oh the 67?
#169 [00:30] <xales> Yeah
#170 [00:30] <Nolan> Still refused
#171 [00:30] <xales> Can you take a screenshot of that page again?
#172 [00:31] <arron> what im trying to say is from two days ago everything been running fine have had no porbs but ever since then its been doing that and even when i log in to the server if it dont open chests i lag for ages doors dont work ect and ect
#173 [00:31] <Nolan> http://cl.ly/452X1d3x122d2E343V1q ?
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#175 [00:32] <xales> Nolan: You hit 'save' after changing it, correct?
#176 [00:32] <Nolan> Yes sir
#177 [00:32] <Zemedelphos> Nolan, are you logging on from the machine hosting the server?
#178 [00:32] <GreyVulpine> arron - This is on whose server?
#179 [00:32] <Zemedelphos> Or another machine?
#180 [00:33] <Nolan> OMG
#181 [00:33] <Zemedelphos> I was not here for that part.
#182 [00:33] <Nolan> I forgot to turn on port map
#183 [00:33] <arron> on the sever java software from minecraft .ot net i host myself yes
#184 [00:33] <Nolan> DOH
#185 [00:33] <xales> ._.
#186 [00:33] <Nolan> Oh great now Im getting this in Port map.
#187 [00:34] <Nolan> http://cl.ly/0l121B2z2H1G1N0G0F2v
#188 [00:34] <GreyVulpine> arron - What kind of server is this? Classic? beta?
#189 [00:34] <xales> Nolan: Thats fine - you don't need a tool like that
#190 [00:34] <xales> you did it manually
#191 [00:34] <arron> its the beta 1.2_02 beta software
#192 [00:34] <arron> of the sever software
#193 [00:35] <Nolan> ok wlel it worked wiht port map before
#194 [00:35] <Nolan> So now what
#195 [00:35] <GreyVulpine> arron - I guess, can you try this on a new world? rename the /world/ folder on your server and try generating a new world.
#196 [00:36] <xales> Nolan: Try running the minecraft server and see if it works
#197 [00:37] <arron> o.k ill try that
#198 [00:37] <Nolan> Ok Im running it
#199 [00:37] <xales> Nolan: See if you can connect to it
#200 [00:37] <Nolan> which IP?
#201 [00:37] <xales> The one that doesn't start with 192
#202 [00:38] <Nolan> http://cl.ly/0d0J423y3I2P2V2G0F15 Then this, http://cl.ly/280l29300q2J2K3U1K2e
#203 [00:38] <Zemedelphos> Is nolan trying to connect on a machine different from the one hosting the server?
#204 [00:39] <mnjiman> derpa....
#205 [00:39] <GreyVulpine> Zemedelphos - He's trying to test to see if he port forwarded correctly
#206 [00:39] <xales> Nolan: Can you screenshot the server console?
#207 [00:39] <GreyVulpine> Using his external ip
#208 [00:39] <mnjiman> no answer to my question?
#209 [00:39] <xales> mnjiman: ask again, sorry
#210 [00:39] <Zemedelphos> Yes. But is the machine he's trying to log in from different from the one he's hosting the server on?
#211 [00:39] <GreyVulpine> No, it isn't. it's the same computer Zemedelphos
#212 [00:40] <Nolan> http://cl.ly/2703252m3z37190y3X40 Server
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#214 [00:40] <Zemedelphos> nolan, what's your IP?
#215 [00:40] <arron> o.k the sever loading ill tell u if it works
#216 [00:40] <Zemedelphos> wait
#217 [00:40] <mnjiman> I sometimes encounter a black screen in minecraft, followed by the client crashing. I am using a 64x64 text pack, but it doesnt seem to be a bug for that pack (that i could fine). known issue? is there a way to fix it?
#218 [00:40] <Zemedelphos> it's in the link
#219 [00:41] <xales> mnjiman: Try turning down the view distance..
#220 [00:41] <mnjiman> its been happening more and more... and when the game crashes.. the world resets to when i first started the world
#221 [00:41] <mnjiman> its on normal,
#222 [00:41] <Nolan> Zem wait what?
#223 [00:41] <xales> !check 67.76.150.56
#224 [00:41] <mnjiman> should i turn it down even more Xales?
#225 [00:41] <xales> mnjiman: Try that, yeah.
#226 [00:41] <mnjiman> derpa
#227 [00:41] <mnjiman> k
#228 [00:41] <xales> I'm guessing its related to the pack though
#229 [00:42] <GreyVulpine> mnjiman - Barring that, try reinstalling minecraft, removing the pack
#230 [00:42] <Zemedelphos> When on Far rendering, my game crashes with default textures
#231 [00:42] <Zemedelphos> after a while
#232 [00:42] <xales> GreyVulpine: Any ideas for Nolan's problem?
#233 [00:42] <Nolan> LOL Im so lost right now
#234 [00:42] <GreyVulpine> xales - Are you sure that's his network setup right now?
#235 [00:42] <mnjiman> why is the render distance on far
#236 [00:42] <mnjiman> gawd damit
#237 [00:42] <xales> GreyVulpine: It looks correct to me...though I didn't check...
#238 [00:43] <xales> Nolan: Open up System Preferences, and go to Security
#239 [00:43] <xales> make sure the firewall is off
#240 [00:43] <arron> well im in world but everything around me is rezing slowly
#241 [00:43] <GreyVulpine> xales - Public ip of 67.76.150.56, going to a 192.168.2.1 modem/router, leasing out to a 192.168.2.2 router, which has 192.168.5.1, going to 192.168.5.x computer hosting the server
#242 [00:43] <GreyVulpine> You're sure that's his setup
#243 [00:43] <xales> GreyVulpine: Yes
#244 [00:44] <Nolan> xales Firewall is off
#245 [00:44] <xales> Nolan: Was it already off?
#246 [00:44] <Nolan> yes
#247 [00:45] <xales> any 3rd-party firewalls?
#248 [00:45] <xales> they should have an icon in the bar at the top
#249 [00:45] <Nolan> Dont think so
#250 [00:45] <xales> GreyVulpine: What confuses me is that it is 'Refused' - don't routers/modems normally drop packets, not refuse?
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#252 [00:47] <Nolan> No firewall
#253 [00:47] <Tpimp> I need help
#254 [00:47] <Nolan> That I know of
#255 [00:47] <xales> Tpimp: With?
#256 [00:47] <GreyVulpine> Hmm
#257 [00:47] <Tpimp> minecraft keeps getting stuq on "updating minecraft" whats that about
#258 [00:48] <xales> "stuck"?
#259 [00:48] <Tpimp> yea
#260 [00:48] <xales> did it always do this?
#261 [00:48] <Tpimp> no
#262 [00:48] <xales> when did it start?
#263 [00:48] <Tpimp> just started doing it today
#264 [00:48] <Tpimp> but otherwise it'd work fine
#265 [00:48] <xales> what part of updating is it stuck at?
#266 [00:48] <Tpimp> its
#267 [00:48] <Tpimp> hmm...
#268 [00:48] <Tpimp> when you login
#269 [00:49] <xales> what OS?
#270 [00:49] <GreyVulpine> Does the bar not fill, partially fill, or is stuck at "Done Loading"?
#271 [00:49] <Tpimp> yeah "done loading"
#272 [00:49] <GreyVulpine> !reinstall
#273 [00:49] * GreyVulpine points
#273 [00:49] <Tpimp> and its like 90% full
#274 [00:49] <Tpimp> lol
#275 [00:49] <Tpimp> xales: Win7
#276 [00:49] <xales> Tpimp: I was just going to guide you through doing what that link explains
#277 [00:50] <Tpimp> ok
#278 [00:50] <xales> if you need any help doing that, just ask
#279 [00:50] <Tpimp> what link? :o
#280 [00:50] <GreyVulpine> !reinstall
#281 [00:50] <Tpimp> ow
#282 [00:50] <Tpimp> ok
#283 [00:50] * GreyVulpine points
#283 [00:50] <Nolan> Alright so I am really lost at this point
#284 [00:50] <xales> Nolan: Wait..how are you launching the server?
#285 [00:50] <Nolan> java
#286 [00:51] <Tpimp> pfft
#287 [00:51] <Tpimp> i thought it was a simply problem lol
#288 [00:51] <arron> whats that website where u can look up ur extrunel i.p address
#289 [00:51] <Tpimp> obviously it isnt
#290 [00:51] <GreyVulpine> Tpimp - It is
#291 [00:51] <Tpimp> .
#292 [00:51] <Tpimp> how to fix
#293 [00:51] <xales> arron: whatismyip.com
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#295 [00:51] <Zemedelphos> arron: whatismyip.com
#296 [00:51] <Zemedelphos> ninja'd again...
#297 [00:51] <GreyVulpine> Tpimp - Okay, go to your start menu, type in the search bar: %appdata%
#298 [00:51] <xales> Tpimp: Open the start menu, in the search box type %appdata%/.minecraft and hit enter
#299 [00:51] <GreyVulpine> Tpimp - Find the .minecraft folder
#300 [00:52] <xales> GreyVulpine: ._.
#301 [00:52] <GreyVulpine> >>>
#302 [00:52] <Tpimp> ok
#303 [00:52] <GreyVulpine> Found it? Go inside, delete everything but the saves folder
#304 [00:52] <Tpimp> what next
#305 [00:52] <Tpimp> everyone?
#306 [00:52] <Tpimp> thing*
#307 [00:52] <xales> All but saves
#308 [00:52] <GreyVulpine> Everything but /saves/
#309 [00:52] <Nolan> Xales I use java
#310 [00:52] <GreyVulpine> Relaunch minecraft
#311 [00:52] <Tpimp> lol?
#312 [00:52] <xales> Nolan: No, I mean, what do you do to launch the server
#313 [00:52] <Tpimp> u guys do tv?
#314 [00:52] <Tpimp> lol
#315 [00:53] <GreyVulpine> Tpimp - No, we just have been doing this for a while.
#316 [00:53] <Nolan> I double click the start.command
#317 [00:53] <Tpimp> ok
#318 [00:53] <xales> GreyVulpine: Is this normal? http://cl.ly/2703252m3z37190y3X40
#319 [00:53] <arron> o.k i put the sever program on my friends computer and the i.p addy is the same but i cant conet to the sever it keeps timeing out
#320 [00:53] <Nolan> in my mincraft folder
#321 [00:53] <xales> arron: The IP address would not be the same, if it is on a different computer
#322 [00:53] <Tpimp> There is no /saves/ folden -.-
#323 [00:53] <GreyVulpine> arron - Did you have minecraft running on your friend's computer before?
#324 [00:53] <GreyVulpine> Tpimp - Then don't worry about it
#325 [00:53] <arron> no thats why im trying it
#326 [00:54] <GreyVulpine> Tpimp - Relaunch minecraft now
#327 [00:54] <GreyVulpine> arron - Then you'd need to set up port forwarding again.
#328 [00:54] <GreyVulpine> It's a different computer
#329 [00:54] <arron> his computer is networked to mine computer
#330 [00:54] <GreyVulpine> Yes, the router doesn't know that though
#331 [00:54] <Tpimp> lol guys
#332 [00:54] <Tpimp> my bad
#333 [00:54] <GreyVulpine> It still thinks it wants to port forward minecraft to your computer
#334 [00:54] <arron> so how do i do that?
#335 [00:54] <Tpimp> i play on my laptop, as my desktop can't handle minecraft
#336 [00:54] <Tpimp> so
#337 [00:54] <GreyVulpine> arron - Same way you did it last time, only this time, set it to your friend's computer
#338 [00:55] <arron> i forgot
#339 [00:55] <GreyVulpine> Tpimp - Does minecraft work now?
#340 [00:55] <Tpimp> I deleted all folders but saves, what now
#341 [00:55] <Tpimp> oh
#342 [00:55] <Tpimp> one sec
#343 [00:55] <arron> how i did it last time
#344 [00:55] <Tpimp> Yes
#345 [00:55] <Tpimp> it does
#346 [00:55] <GreyVulpine> Great!
#347 [00:55] <Tpimp> thanks alot guys :)
#348 [00:56] <Tpimp> can i idle in here?
#349 [00:56] <GreyVulpine> Of course.
#350 [00:56] <Tpimp> ok
#351 [00:56] <GreyVulpine> arron - What OS is your friend's computer on
#352 [00:56] <arron> windows 7
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#354 [00:56] <GreyVulpine> arron - Can you go to his computer, pull up his start menu, type in his search bar: cmd
#355 [00:56] <Nolan> Xales I use the Shell command that I learned off of Yuotube
#356 [00:56] <GreyVulpine> Then arron, at the command prompt, type in: ipconfig
#357 [00:57] <GreyVulpine> Look for the ipv4 address
#358 [00:57] <GreyVulpine> That's the address you want to go to your router's port forward page, and set it to
#359 [00:57] <xales> Nolan: What command?
#360 [00:58] <Nolan> http://cl.ly/1N030z0t1T1t161y3s44
#361 [00:58] <GreyVulpine> Nolan - And the contents of start.command?
#362 [00:58] <arron> o.k i got his addy address
#363 [00:59] <GreyVulpine> arron - Now, do you remember how you got to your router?
#364 [00:59] <arron> yes
#365 [00:59] <GreyVulpine> arron - That's the ip address you'll change in your router's port forward
#366 [00:59] <GreyVulpine> change to*
#367 [00:59] <Nolan> Hang on let me look
#368 [01:01] <Nolan> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Setting_up_a_server
#369 [01:01] <arron> o.k done
#370 [01:01] <GreyVulpine> arron - Now try connecting
#371 [01:01] <arron> thanks
#372 [01:02] <xales> GreyVulpine: Does the minecraft server normally have a GUI like that?
#373 [01:02] <Nolan> Xales I used that method ^
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#375 [01:02] <GreyVulpine> xales - Hmm?
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#377 [01:02] <arron> thanks the sever not laging one bit
#378 [01:02] <xales> GreyVulpine: http://cl.ly/2703252m3z37190y3X40
#379 [01:02] <xales> is that normal?
#380 [01:02] <GreyVulpine> xales - That url doesn't work
#381 [01:03] <Zeme> wtf
#382 [01:03] <xales> ._.
#383 [01:03] <Zeme> why can't I change my nick?
#384 [01:03] <GreyVulpine> zerne - Are you in #minecraft as well?
#385 [01:03] <Nolan> Xales I used this to make the command http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Setting_up_a_server
#386 [01:03] <Zeme> If you mean me, yes.
#387 [01:03] <GreyVulpine> /part #minecraft
#388 [01:03] <GreyVulpine> then try changing your nick
#389 [01:03] <xales> Nolan: I saw - one sec
#390 [01:03] <xales> Zeme: Link that nick to your first nick, so you don't have the problem again
#391 [01:04] <Zemedelphos> Okay...
#392 [01:04] <Zemedelphos> that...makes no sense.
#393 [01:04] <xales> /nickserv link Zeme
#394 [01:04] <Nolan> ok xakes
#395 [01:04] <Nolan> xales*
#396 [01:04] <xales> that should be it
#397 [01:04] <Zemedelphos> thanks
#398 [01:04] <Zemedelphos> makes no sense, imo, though.
#399 [01:04] <GreyVulpine> Minecraft is +M, only registered people can talk in it, it won't let unregged people change nicks while you're in that channel
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#401 [01:04] <GreyVulpine> I blame the silly ircd
#402 [01:04] <Zemedelphos> Yeah...that second part is really dumb.
#403 [01:05] <xales> Nolan: Can you take another screenshot of the server window?
#404 [01:05] <Nolan> http://cl.ly/0N0V3v0k2Y1l2E1n1P38
#405 [01:05] <xales> GreyVulpine: Check that link
#406 [01:06] <Kaikz> Anyone know of a hMod plugin that can give a player an item/s on login?
#407 [01:06] <GreyVulpine> Kaikz - hmod is discontinued, and we don't really provide support for mods here
#408 [01:07] <GreyVulpine> xales - That looks normal to me
#409 [01:07] <xales> GreyVulpine: Oh, I wasn't aware the server had a gui ._.
#410 [01:07] <GreyVulpine> It does.
#411 [01:07] <Kaikz> I'd rather use UO hMod over Bukkit atm. And k.
#412 [01:07] <xales> :O
#413 [01:07] <xales> anyway
#414 [01:07] <xales> Nolan: can you paste the contents of server.properties on http://pastebin.com/?
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#416 [01:08] <Nolan> http://pastebin.com/cVJgEe6t
#417 [01:11] <xales> Nolan: Looks fine to me...
#418 [01:11] <xales> I have no idea ._.
#419 [01:11] <Nolan> 'OIDFghjlwKJEF
#420 [01:11] <Nolan> I could just start over
#421 [01:11] <xales> all I can think of is that your ISP might be blocking incoming connections
#422 [01:11] <xales> I don't think we did anything wrong
#423 [01:12] <Nolan> like the whoel minecraft folder and you could make sure I do it right
#424 [01:12] <GreyVulpine> No other security software on the computer?
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#427 [01:13] <Nolan> Not that I know of
#428 [01:14] <Nolan> Oh wait we installed this filtering programb awhile back called Netnanny but since deleted it, but look at my console messages! http://cl.ly/3t0k40442q3Z2c1t0B47
#429 [01:15] <xales> Nolan: wow...that would do it
#430 [01:15] <xales> yeah, there is the issue right there, I'm guessing
#431 [01:15] <Nolan> How can I delete this?
#432 [01:15] <xales> No idea - look up
#433 [01:16] <Nolan> is there like a terminal command?
#434 [01:16] <xales> "To uninstall on a Mac you can go to http://www.netnanny.com/downloads and use the download for Net Nanny for Mac which has an Uninstall option."
#435 [01:16] <Nolan> Its like there is still a background thing running
#436 [01:16] <YeTr2> netnanny is useless.
#437 [01:17] <xales> Nolan: Yeah - you would need to use their installer to remove it safely
#438 [01:17] <Nolan> ok hang on
#439 [01:19] <Nolan> I use the uninstaller and it says its not installed
#440 [01:19] <xales> ._.
#441 [01:19] <xales> I think you are going to have to install it, then uninstall it again
#442 [01:20] <Nolan> ok ahng on
#443 [01:22] <Nolan> ok I have to restart hang on
#444 [01:28] <aetherian> !ping
#445 [01:28] <crickets> aetherian Your Ping time was 1.092 Seconds.
#446 [01:28] <aetherian> o_O
#447 [01:28] <Zemedelphos> !ping
#448 [01:28] <crickets> Zemedelphos Your Ping time was 0.731 Seconds.
#449 [01:28] <Zemedelphos> I win!
#450 [01:28] <aetherian> I was having a spike
#451 [01:28] <aetherian> lol
#452 [01:28] <aetherian> but I'm not gonna spam it with my epic pings
#453 [01:28] <arron> my friend getting this error when she joins my server java.io.EOFException <- failure?
#454 [01:28] <SinZ> !ping
#455 [01:28] <crickets> SinZ Your Ping time was 0.701 Seconds.
#456 [01:29] <Zemedelphos> D:
#457 [01:29] <GreyVulpine> arron - Um, could we get the full error?
#458 [01:29] <YeTr2> !ping
#459 [01:29] <crickets> YeTr2 Your Ping time was 3.385 Seconds.
#460 [01:29] <arron> Internal Exception: java.io.EOFException
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#462 [01:30] <GreyVulpine> That can't be the full error.. is it?
#463 [01:30] <Kaikz> !ping
#464 [01:30] <crickets> Kaikz Your Ping time was 0.661 Seconds.
#465 [01:30] <Kaikz> :3
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#467 [01:30] <Nolan> Back
#468 [01:30] <arron> its just says that
#469 [01:30] <Nolan> I installed and unistalled
#470 [01:30] <xales> Nolan: Does it work?
#471 [01:31] <Nolan> Opening mincraft folder
#472 [01:31] <Nolan> Starting command
#473 [01:31] <Nolan> Server up
#474 [01:31] <Nolan> Use the 67 IP?
#475 [01:32] <xales> yes
#476 [01:32] <Nolan> or tok hang on
#477 [01:32] <Nolan> Im getting a connecting to server....
#478 [01:34] <Nolan> Ok look at the console! http://cl.ly/1C2e1j2t352t272W3X2m
#479 [01:35] <GreyVulpine> damn netnanny.
#480 [01:35] <Nolan> This is ridiculous there is a Netnanny THING still lerking!
#481 [01:35] <xales> Fuck that nanny bitch
#482 [01:35] <xales> ._.
#483 [01:35] <Nolan> LOOK
#484 [01:35] <Zemedelphos> REFORMAT LOL :D
#485 [01:35] <Nolan> ITS IN THE STARTUP ITEMS
#486 [01:35] <xales> delete it
#487 [01:35] <xales> :
#488 [01:35] <xales> :>*
#489 [01:36] <Nolan> How do I find that folder? I can find it
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#492 [01:36] <Zemedelphos> Why do I keep d/cing :(
#493 [01:37] <envelope02> I'm new to minecraft so I was wondering, what exactly are you suppose to do? :'D
#494 [01:37] <xales> !tutorial
#495 [01:37] <xales> Nolan: Which folder?
#496 [01:37] <Nolan> I go into libraries and there is no starupitems folder
#497 [01:37] <xales> It is probably in the system library folder
#498 [01:37] <xales> click on Macintosh HD first
#499 [01:37] <xales> then go to the library folder that is inside that
#500 [01:38] <Nolan> found it
#501 [01:38] <Nolan> Its not in there
#502 [01:38] <Nolan> http://cl.ly/3X08201z1J3Q43440q2o
#503 [01:38] <Nolan> Thats in console
#504 [01:40] <Nolan> Any ideas?
#505 [01:40] <xales> yeah...
#506 [01:40] <Nolan> What?!
#507 [01:40] <xales> run 'ps ax' in terminal
#508 [01:40] <xales> and pastebin the output
#509 [01:41] <Nolan> http://pastebin.com/cM4Lp3u6
#510 [01:43] <GreyVulpine> good god that's a lot
#511 [01:43] <Nolan> lol
#512 [01:43] <xales> well, I see something called 'Intego' there
#513 [01:43] <xales> do you know what that is?
#514 [01:43] <Nolan> Me too
#515 [01:43] <xales> and oddly enough, no netnanny
#516 [01:43] <Nolan> Yeah
#517 [01:44] <GreyVulpine> Intego?
#518 [01:44] <Nolan> NO
#519 [01:44] <Nolan> I see it
#520 [01:44] <xales> Try uninstalling/disabling Intego
#521 [01:44] <Nolan> right under intego see that taskmanagerDaemon?
#522 [01:45] <Nolan> thats whats coming up with netannny
#523 [01:45] <xales> what do you mean?
#524 [01:45] <xales> GreyVulpine: I just realized that NetNanny is running as a kernel module
#525 [01:45] <xales> .___________.
#526 [01:46] <Nolan> in my console remember it says Net NannyDaemn.app
#527 [01:46] <Nolan> daemon*
#528 [01:46] <xales> yeah
#529 [01:46] <GreyVulpine> O.o
#530 [01:46] <Nolan> well thats in Intego
#531 [01:46] * GreyVulpine grumbles
#531 [01:46] <xales> .__.
#532 [01:47] <xales> that is going to be a serious pain in the ass to fix
#533 [01:47] <Nolan> hang on Im deleting intego
#534 [01:48] <Nolan> FOUND IT
#535 [01:48] <xales> wait...
#536 [01:48] <xales> don't do that
#537 [01:48] <xales> http://www.integodownload.com/mac/X/IntegoUninstaller.dmg
#538 [01:48] <xales> use that instead
#539 [01:48] <Nolan> it wont delete becuse Virusbarrier is in use
#540 [01:48] <xales> use the uninstaller tool thing
#541 [01:49] <Nolan> it wont since there is no appliction
#542 [01:49] <xales> ?
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#544 [01:51] <Nolan> http://cl.ly/0z1n232i1i1V1S3T3A0Y
#545 [01:51] * GreyVulpine blinks
#545 [01:52] <xales> honestly, I think at this point the best thing to do would be to just reformat it
#546 [01:52] <xales> ._.
#547 [01:52] <Nolan> reformat what
#548 [01:52] <xales> your computer
#549 [01:52] <GreyVulpine> heh
#550 [01:52] <Nolan> I dont wanna lose all my crap
#551 [01:52] <xales> you just gotta back it up
#552 [01:52] <Nolan> I do
#553 [01:53] <xales> then you won't lose anything in a reformat - you just have to restore from backup
#554 [01:53] <Nolan> I cant trust that
#555 [01:53] <Nolan> I have to valuble stuff
#556 [01:53] <Nolan> and beside ill loose my minecraft folders
#557 [01:54] <Nolan> http://cl.ly/0X3Y3B0n0J3x2r403r0x
#558 [01:54] <Nolan> look
#559 [01:54] <xales> back up the minecraft stuff then
#560 [01:54] <Nolan> I hope that took care of it
#561 [01:54] <xales> it should have
#562 [01:55] <xales> wait..did netnanny have you restart after uninstalling it?
#563 [01:55] <Nolan> no
#564 [01:55] <xales> try that
#565 [01:55] <Nolan> ok brb
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#567 [02:01] <Nolan> Alrighty
#568 [02:01] <Nolan> back
#569 [02:01] <xales> any luck?
#570 [02:01] <Nolan> going to launch Java command now
#571 [02:01] <Nolan> spawn loaded
#572 [02:01] <Nolan> now
#573 [02:02] <Nolan> the moment of truth
#574 [02:02] <xales> !check 67.76.150.56
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#576 [02:02] <xales> ._.
#577 [02:02] <Nolan> ?
#578 [02:02] <checkzor> XALES
#579 [02:02] <xales> ?
#580 [02:02] <checkzor> I am linux guru
#581 [02:02] <xales> lol
#582 [02:02] <checkzor> 1 single session
#583 [02:02] <checkzor> running 3 windows
#584 [02:03] <checkzor> 1 tramspeak server
#585 [02:03] <checkzor> 2 minecraft server
#586 [02:03] <Nolan> xales just a long connecting window
#587 [02:03] <aetherian> xales: pass the salt
#588 [02:03] <aetherian> :3
#589 [02:03] <checkzor> 3 is just terminal
#590 [02:03] <checkzor> and i know how to exit screen properly
#591 [02:03] <checkzor> without starting 400 instances of it
#592 [02:03] <checkzor> I'm amazing
#593 [02:03] <GreyVulpine> Yay!
#594 [02:03] <xales> Nolan: Check in system preferences, if your IP changed
#595 [02:03] <checkzor> I know how to log back into my screen session without starting a new one
#596 [02:04] <checkzor> it's great
#597 [02:04] <Nolan> which one the IPv4?
#598 [02:04] <xales> yes
#599 [02:04] <checkzor> I'm king of the world!
#600 [02:04] <Nolan> its 192.168.5.6
#601 [02:04] <checkzor> anyways gnight
#602 [02:05] <xales> Nolan: is that what it was before?
#603 [02:05] <Nolan> I dont know lol
#604 [02:05] <Nolan> wait I hang a butt load of screen shots
#605 [02:05] <Nolan> pretty sure yes
#606 [02:05] <Nolan> shall I check Console?
#607 [02:05] <Nolan> see if poopy anny is still running?
#608 [02:05] <xales> yeah
#609 [02:06] <Nolan> HEY LOOK! http://cl.ly/2T2d3y2i13192l2g0c2q
#610 [02:07] <Nolan> Gone
#611 [02:07] <KillSpammer> lol
#612 [02:07] <xales> excellent
#613 [02:07] <Nolan> So what did we do wrong noq?
#614 [02:07] <xales> can you pastebin a 'ps ax' again?
#615 [02:08] <KillSpammer> xales, why haven't you got a song about pastebin yet?
#616 [02:08] <xales> KillSpammer: ._.
#617 [02:09] <Nolan> http://pastebin.com/i2qgHbJi
#618 [02:10] <xales> hmm
#619 [02:10] <Nolan> ???
#620 [02:10] <xales> server is running, correct?
#621 [02:10] <Nolan> yes sir
#622 [02:10] <xales> can you connect using 'localhost'?
#623 [02:11] <KillSpammer> 127.0.0.1
#624 [02:11] <KillSpammer> Best
#625 [02:11] <KillSpammer> Ip
#626 [02:11] <Nolan> yep
#627 [02:11] <KillSpammer> Eveer
#628 [02:11] <xales> hmmm
#629 [02:11] <SinZ> i prefer my internal ip
#630 [02:11] <SinZ> 10.0.0.3
#631 [02:12] <SinZ> owait
#632 [02:12] <xales> Nolan: can you double-check the port forward on the router?
#633 [02:12] <SinZ> i dun have my internal ip anymore
#634 [02:12] <SinZ> my internal ip is same as external ip =S
#635 [02:12] * GreyVulpine gasps
#635 [02:12] * GreyVulpine hacks
#635 [02:12] <SinZ> gl
#636 [02:13] <Nolan> Which one zale?
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#638 [02:13] <Nolan> xale*
#639 [02:13] <xales> Nolan: The 192.168.5.1
#640 [02:14] <Nolan> ok
#641 [02:14] <Nolan> http://cl.ly/1f330d1i3r271X3Q2D2A
#642 [02:15] <Nolan> What do you think?
#643 [02:15] <xales> Nolan: is there any kind of firewall setting on the router?
#644 [02:16] <Nolan> Not that I knwo of
#645 [02:16] <xales> Mind poking around it a bit?
#646 [02:16] <Nolan> hey in my server properties file there is no server IP
#647 [02:17] <xales> that is correct
#648 [02:17] <GreyVulpine> That's normal, don't touch it
#649 [02:17] <Nolan> It just says server-ip+
#650 [02:17] <Nolan> oh ok
#651 [02:17] <Nolan> I did touch the monsters
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#653 [02:17] <Nolan> changed it to false
#654 [02:17] <Nolan> then back to true
#655 [02:17] <Nolan> I think I killed it
#656 [02:18] <Nolan> nvm I see mobs
#657 [02:18] <Nolan> ok so what to do now?
#658 [02:19] <xales> I can't think of anything...the port forwarding stuff was correct, and firewalls and stuff should be gone now...
#659 [02:19] <Nolan> http://cl.ly/1g3H3K3A2n0j1j1J0P33
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#661 [02:19] <Nolan> Thats the security set up
#662 [02:19] <Gemotrical> Hi everyone.
#663 [02:19] <Zemedelphos> Quick question.
#664 [02:19] <xales> Gemotrical: Hello
#665 [02:20] <Gemotrical> I have a quick question too.
#666 [02:20] <Nolan> Yeah Zem?
#667 [02:20] <Zemedelphos> I want to listen to the .mus files in the minecraft folders.
#668 [02:20] <Zemedelphos> What would I need to download to do so?
#669 [02:20] <GreyVulpine> Zemedelphos - What OS?
#670 [02:20] <Gemotrical> I just don't know how to forward my ports... ):
#671 [02:20] <Zemedelphos> Windows Vista
#672 [02:20] <GreyVulpine> VLC
#673 [02:20] <GreyVulpine> http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
#674 [02:21] <GreyVulpine> plays everything I throw at it
#675 [02:21] <Zemedelphos> All right
#676 [02:21] <Nolan> xales what about the modem forwarding?
#677 [02:21] <Gemotrical> vlc does work with everything.
#678 [02:21] <Zemedelphos> I managed to find file extentions for other things, such as .ogg, but not .mus
#679 [02:21] <Zemedelphos> Thanks
#680 [02:21] <lukegb> GreyVulpine: I'm amazed you haven't told people who keep asking to use UPnP to forward their ports
#681 [02:21] <lukegb> ;P
#682 [02:21] * GreyVulpine bashes head in wall.
#682 [02:21] <GreyVulpine> No thanks
#683 [02:21] <Gemotrical> i'm sorry..
#684 [02:22] <SinZ> whats UPnP?
#685 [02:22] <Gemotrical> :/ i know it's a stupid question
#686 [02:22] <xales> Gemotrical: What model of router/modem?
#687 [02:22] <Gemotrical> uhh
#688 [02:22] <Gemotrical> hold on i'll tell you
#689 [02:22] <Nolan> xales I did find that ICMP ping is blocked would that affect it?
#690 [02:22] <Gemotrical> Cellpipe 7130
#691 [02:22] <lukegb> xales: THE REPLY IS upnp
#692 [02:22] <GreyVulpine> Nolan - That only affects pings
#693 [02:22] <Nolan> I could restart the router
#694 [02:22] <Gemotrical> the mode is a wap610n
#695 [02:22] <Gemotrical> *modem
#696 [02:23] <GreyVulpine> Oh dear god.. another modem/router
#697 [02:23] <Gemotrical> ?
#698 [02:23] <xales> GreyVulpine: That sounds like just a modem
#699 [02:23] <xales> not arouter
#700 [02:23] <Gemotrical> the router is the cellpipe 7130.
#701 [02:23] <GreyVulpine> Oh
#702 [02:24] <GreyVulpine> Never mind then
#703 [02:24] <xales> Gemotrical: http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/Alcatel-Lucent/Cellpipe7130/Minecraft_Server.htm
#704 [02:24] <GreyVulpine> Gemotrical - What OS are you on?
#705 [02:24] <Gemotrical> windows 7
#706 [02:24] <Gemotrical> 32 bit
#707 [02:24] <GreyVulpine> Gemotrical - Pull up your start menu, in the search bar, type in: cmd
#708 [02:24] <GreyVulpine> Then, at the command prompt, type in: ipconfig, let me know the ipv4 address and default gateway
#709 [02:25] <Gemotrical> 192.168.2.10
#710 [02:25] <Gemotrical> 192.168.2.1
#711 [02:26] <GreyVulpine> You can close that now. Bring up a browser, go to http://192.168.2.1
#712 [02:26] <Gemotrical> kk
#713 [02:26] <Gemotrical> im there
#714 [02:27] <GreyVulpine> Is that the bell one?
#715 [02:27] <Gemotrical> yup
#716 [02:27] <Gemotrical> the bell one.
#717 [02:27] <GreyVulpine> http://screenshots.portforward.com/Alcatel-Lucent/Cellpipe_7130/Port_Range_Forwarding.htm
#718 [02:27] <GreyVulpine> Left side should be port fowarding
#719 [02:27] <Gemotrical> alcatel Lucen 7130 5vza2001
#720 [02:27] <GreyVulpine> Or, port range forwarding
#721 [02:28] <GreyVulpine> From that screenshot, I take it, yours looks the same?
#722 [02:28] <Gemotrical> uhh
#723 [02:28] <Gemotrical> yeh
#724 [02:28] <Gemotrical> exactly like that one actually
#725 [02:28] <Gemotrical> :P
#726 [02:29] <GreyVulpine> Okay, application - "Minecraft" : Start port - 25565 : End Port - 25565 : Protocol - Both : Enable
#727 [02:29] <GreyVulpine> Then apply changes
#728 [02:29] <Gemotrical> wat about
#729 [02:29] <Gemotrical> the ip address?
#730 [02:29] <Gemotrical> leave it blank?
#731 [02:30] <GreyVulpine> Oh, right, um.
#732 [02:30] <GreyVulpine> 192.168.2.10
#733 [02:31] <Gemotrical> aight
#734 [02:31] <Gemotrical> it's saved.
#735 [02:32] <GreyVulpine> Could you go to the "Status" page on the left side, and make sure the WAN ip address is 70.31.238.28?
#736 [02:32] <Gemotrical> and now
#737 [02:33] <Gemotrical> yessir it is
#738 [02:33] <GreyVulpine> Great. You can close that now
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#740 [02:33] <GreyVulpine> Go back to your start menu, type in: firewall.cpl
#741 [02:33] <GreyVulpine> Make sure the firewall is down for now
#742 [02:33] <GreyVulpine> and launch your minecraft server
#743 [02:34] <Gemotrical> i turn OFF windows firewall?
#744 [02:34] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#745 [02:34] <Gemotrical> ok
#746 [02:34] <Gemotrical> and now the uhh
#747 [02:34] <Nolan> xales will you be here tomarrow?
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#749 [02:34] <Gemotrical> ip i use for my game is which one
#750 [02:34] <Gemotrical> ?
#751 [02:35] <Nolan> I need to hit the hay but maybe tomarrow we can work the final kinks out?
#752 [02:35] <Nolan> I knwo we are almost there
#753 [02:35] <GreyVulpine> Gemotrical - Either 127.0.0.1, 192.168.2.10, or 70.31.238.28
#754 [02:36] <xales> Nolan: Sure
#755 [02:36] <GreyVulpine> The people you want to invite to your server will use 70.31.238.28
#756 [02:37] <Gemotrical> i cannot connect.
#757 [02:37] <Gemotrical> using any of them.
#758 [02:38] <Gemotrical> the game crashes
#759 [02:38] <Gemotrical> and the cmd is saying weird stuff
#760 [02:38] <xales> 'crashes'?
#761 [02:39] <xales> 'weird stuff'?
#762 [02:39] <Gemotrical> yeah
#763 [02:39] <Gemotrical> the game crashes from an error.
#764 [02:39] <Gemotrical> and the weird stuff
#765 [02:40] <Gemotrical> is saying how someone connected from IP i use.
#766 [02:40] <Gemotrical> then it says it kicked that IP
#767 [02:40] <Gemotrical> and says "You need to log in! "
#768 [02:40] <GreyVulpine> How did you launch the server?
#769 [02:41] <Gemotrical> uhh
#770 [02:41] <Gemotrical> using the program files from minecraft.
#771 [02:41] <Gemotrical> :(
#772 [02:41] <GreyVulpine> What file?
#773 [02:41] <Gemotrical> windows batch file.
#774 [02:41] <Gemotrical> Start Server
#775 [02:41] <Gemotrical> in a folder.
#776 [02:41] <Gemotrical> for my minecraft server
#777 [02:41] <xales> That is the Classic server software
#778 [02:41] <GreyVulpine> That would be ..
#779 [02:41] <GreyVulpine> dangit xales
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#781 [02:41] <Gemotrical> oh.
#782 [02:41] <Gemotrical> :S:S:S
#783 [02:42] <Gemotrical> i feel like a dingus now.
#784 [02:42] <Gemotrical> i have the paid for version.
#785 [02:42] <GreyVulpine> !server
#786 [02:42] <xales> !server
#787 [02:42] * GreyVulpine points
#787 [02:42] <xales> ._.
#788 [02:42] <DopeGhoti> trinity
#789 [02:42] <DopeGhoti> ..wrong channel. whee.
#790 [02:43] <xales> lol
#791 [02:44] <Gemotrical> thank you very much guys.
#792 [02:44] <DopeGhoti> My pleasure.
#793 [02:44] <xales> DopeGhoti: :P
#794 [02:44] <aetherian> dammit
#795 [02:45] <Gemotrical> so now in the properties
#796 [02:45] <Gemotrical> of the new server.
#797 [02:45] <aetherian> this compiler just won't work >>>
#798 [02:45] <Gemotrical> aka the right one
#799 [02:45] <Gemotrical> i put the IP address to.
#800 [02:45] <GreyVulpine> Nothing
#801 [02:45] <GreyVulpine> Leave it blank
#802 [02:45] <xales> I'm surrounded by ninjas
#803 [02:46] <GreyVulpine> You should be used to this by now
#804 [02:46] <xales> Not just here, other channels...
#805 [02:47] <Gemotrical> it works.
#806 [02:47] <xales> #minecraft, #lobby...
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#808 [02:47] <GreyVulpine> Heh
#809 [02:47] <Gemotrical> can you try joining?
#810 [02:47] <GreyVulpine> Yay
#811 [02:47] <GreyVulpine> !check 70.31.238.28
#812 [02:47] <Gemotrical> just for the sake of knowing.
#813 [02:47] <GreyVulpine> Works
#814 [02:47] <GreyVulpine> I'll try connecting in a sec
#815 [02:47] <Gemotrical> thanks man.
#816 [02:47] <xales> !check greyvulpine.noobdns.org
#817 [02:47] <xales> :>
#818 [02:47] <GreyVulpine> O.o
#819 [02:48] <xales> !check rim.jobs.org
#820 [02:48] <GreyVulpine> Oh no.. End of Stream
#821 [02:48] <Gemotrical> thought so.
#822 [02:50] <Gemotrical> the script
#823 [02:50] <Gemotrical> is reading
#824 [02:50] <Gemotrical> [WARNING] Can't keep up! Did the system time change, or is the server overloaded?
#825 [02:50] <GreyVulpine> That's normal
#826 [02:51] <GreyVulpine> Could you check what network adapter you have?
#827 [02:51] <Gemotrical> hmm
#828 [02:51] <Gemotrical> how would i do that
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#830 [02:53] <GreyVulpine> start -> right click Computer -> properties -> device manager
#831 [02:53] <GreyVulpine> Look at network adapters.
#832 [02:53] <GreyVulpine> If it's atheros...
#833 [02:54] <Gemotrical> RealTek RTL8139/810x Family Fast Ethernet NIC
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#836 [02:56] <Bunzlee> Hey there.
#837 [02:57] * GreyVulpine hmms.
#837 [02:58] <Bunzlee> Hmmm?
#838 [03:01] <Gemotrical> :(..
#839 [03:03] <Gemotrical> from what i know hmm is never good.
#840 [03:03] <Gemotrical> hah
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#844 [03:06] <Gem> i uhh dced.
#845 [03:06] <Bunzlee> yeah, probably. But creepers are worse than hmmm.
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#847 [03:06] <Gem> nah
#848 [03:06] <Gem> because the hmm means no server for me.
#849 [03:06] <aetherian> darn it windows, ruining my hopes and dreams ;_;
#850 [03:07] <Bunzlee> I was actually wondering how all the people manage to fly/noclip on beta. Does anyone know?
#851 [03:09] * aetherian g2b
#851 [03:09] <aetherian> night
#852 [03:09] * aetherian is away: We'll be right back after this quick word from our sponsors
#852 [03:10] <GreyVulpine> Sorry Gem, I think you're out of luck with that end of stream error.. till Notch fixes it.
#853 [03:11] <aetherian> yeah, until then, have fun with your puddle.
#854 [03:11] <Gem> aight
#855 [03:11] <Gem> thanks anyways guys..
#856 [03:11] <Gem> :(
#857 [03:11] <Gem> peace out
#858 [03:11] <aetherian> nobody lingers anymore
#859 [03:11] <aetherian> and my song's over, night guys.
#860 [03:11] <aetherian> *and so the glorious comedy hath ended
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#866 [03:24] <LigerXT5> Howdy, anyone know of any fixes for random black screens? Mine has happened about 4 times in the last 6 hours.
#867 [03:24] <KillSpammer> LigerXT5, its called Minecraft Beta
#868 [03:25] <KillSpammer> Also, Howdy!
#869 [03:25] <LigerXT5> I know it's in Beta, I just wondered if it's a problem on my end or just wide spread
#870 [03:26] <KillSpammer> Its wide spread.
#871 [03:26] <KillSpammer> Mostly
#872 [03:26] <KillSpammer> Might be graphics card though.
#873 [03:26] <KillSpammer> Doesnt happen THAT often
#874 [03:26] <LigerXT5> lol, ok, the only clue I could even figure out is that javaw.exe hits just under a gig of ram
#875 [03:28] <LigerXT5> Thinking of video cards, the only clue I have is my friend and I have computers that use Nvidia, which both tend to have black screens at random, but my laptop running ati doesn't
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#877 [03:28] <Uniltiranyu> Hello :D
#878 [03:29] <KillSpammer> Ohai Uniltiranyu.
#879 [03:29] <Uniltiranyu> minecraft server version Beta 1.2_01
#880 [03:29] <Uniltiranyu> is this right?
#881 [03:30] <Uniltiranyu> cos Runecraft aint working
#882 [03:30] <LigerXT5> no, 1.2_2
#883 [03:30] <LigerXT5> 1.2_02*
#884 [03:31] <Uniltiranyu> Download new server
#885 [03:31] <Uniltiranyu> version remains same
#886 [03:31] <GreyVulpine> Newest version of server is 1.2_01
#887 [03:31] <GreyVulpine> Newest client is 02
#888 [03:32] <Uniltiranyu> hmm, then y aint RC working, does it go in a certain folder?
#889 [03:32] <GreyVulpine> We don't really support mods here
#890 [03:33] <Uniltiranyu> is there a certain person online who knows about this mod?
#891 [03:33] <KillSpammer> Uniltiranyu, #bukkit
#892 [03:33] <LigerXT5> the best you can do is ask in the runecraft thread
#893 [03:34] <Uniltiranyu> channel name?
#894 [03:35] <KillSpammer> #bukkit
#895 [03:35] <Uniltiranyu> k thkns
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#897 [03:36] <KillSpammer> This bot sucks
#898 [03:36] <KillSpammer> Nom...
#899 [03:36] <KillSpammer> Forgot the cmd
#900 [03:36] <KillSpammer> !cmds
#901 [03:36] <KillSpammer> I command you to give me the commands list
#902 [03:36] <KillSpammer> Oh shit i need the command for that
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#905 [03:42] <Roenie`> whats up with the stone button jumping to another side of the block you placed it on, when you first activate it?
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#907 [03:43] <Roenie`> *not to another side of the same block, it actually moves to a side of an adjacent block
#908 [03:45] <Roenie`> any way to prevent that?
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#921 [11:55] <aetherian> hey
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#927 [12:05] <vervon> is there a way to get back a world that disapeared? My computer shut down while playing and the world is not showing up anymore.
#928 [12:06] <xolotl> vervon: Singleplayer, I assume? take a look at your "saves" directory; see what's in WorldN (where N is the number of the world you were playing)
#929 [12:06] <vervon> yea
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#932 [12:09] <vervon> but when i try to play in-browser it says worldn is empty
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#934 [12:10] <xolotl> I have no idea how the in-browser thing is supposed to work
#935 [12:10] <BonkTheScout> Hi
#936 [12:11] <BonkTheScout> I have problem whit my minecraft...
#937 [12:11] <xolotl> vervon: Have you always just used the browser version, then? Not the actual client?
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#939 [12:11] <BonkTheScout> In game, sometimes is crash whit black or white screen
#940 [12:11] <BonkTheScout> And i get infinite brick glitch
#941 [12:11] <BonkTheScout> Can someone help me?
#942 [12:13] <Kealper> infinate brick?
#943 [12:13] <BonkTheScout> Yes
#944 [12:13] <Kealper> infinite*
#945 [12:13] <BonkTheScout> In my game crash, i close it's *i mined bricks*
#946 [12:14] <Hanul> Who do you contact for account support?
#947 [12:14] <BonkTheScout> Then, i look and the bricks i mined is still here
#948 [12:14] <Kealper> Hanul: daniel@mojang.com
#949 [12:14] <Hanul> I sent an email to that email address about 5 days ago
#950 [12:14] <Hanul> Any other way to contact them?
#951 [12:14] <Kealper> BonkTheScout: has the game ever run without crashing?
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#953 [12:15] <BonkTheScout> Yes
#954 [12:15] <BonkTheScout> the game run without crash
#955 [12:15] <Kealper> Hanul: what is the issue that you needed to contact them about?
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#957 [12:15] <BonkTheScout> I have mcpatcher, i have see that in my game crash: Out of memory
#958 [12:15] <BonkTheScout> :C
#959 [12:15] <Kealper> BonkTheScout: how much ram does your computer have?
#960 [12:15] <Hanul> Came here about 5 days with this problem, think you told me to contact him
#961 [12:16] <Hanul> I can't log in, and minecraft says my email isn't registered
#962 [12:16] <BonkTheScout> Wait i check
#963 [12:16] <Kealper> Hanul: oh, yeah....the most i can do is tell you to email them :/
#964 [12:16] <Kealper> you could try bugging them on twitter
#965 [12:16] <BonkTheScout> 0,99 Go
#966 [12:16] <Hanul> Yeah, I sent an email to support@mojang.com about 12 days ago
#967 [12:17] <xales> Hanul: Just gotta wait a bit
#968 [12:17] <Hanul> an email to daniel@mojang 5 days ago
#969 [12:17] <Kealper> BonkTheScout: what os do you use?
#970 [12:17] <Hanul> and sent another email to support@mojang about a day or two ago
#971 [12:17] <xales> Hanul: Last I heard, that account had over 20,000 emails
#972 [12:17] <xales> it will take some time
#973 [12:17] <BonkTheScout> OS: Windows XP Family
#974 [12:18] <Kealper> BonkTheScout: open the Task Manager and tell me how much ram your computer is using without Minecraft running please
#975 [12:18] <Hanul> ok, though is there any other way to contact? like does he have a forum account I could send a pm to?
#976 [12:18] <xales> Hanul: That is spammed more and checked less often than email
#977 [12:18] <xales> the only thing you can do it wait ._.
#978 [12:18] <BonkTheScout> RAM = UC?
#979 [12:19] <Hanul> >.>
#980 [12:19] <Kealper> BonkTheScout: check the very bottom of that Task Manager window, it will say stuff like CPU usage and other things
#981 [12:19] <Hanul> How long do you think I should I wait for daniel to email me back before I try to send another email?
#982 [12:20] <BonkTheScout> between 10% and 1%
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#984 [12:20] <Kealper> ok, now look at the numbers just to the right, what do those say?
#985 [12:20] <lern> 'Scuse me
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#987 [12:20] <xales> Hanul: I have no idea, but if you read Daniel's tweets, he apologized for being slow with the emails, and is spending more time on them now
#988 [12:20] <lern> Hey lok.
#989 [12:20] <Lokilol> Hey guys.
#990 [12:20] <Hanul> Oks, thank you
#991 [12:20] <xales> lern: Need help with something?
#992 [12:21] <Lokilol> Yes, we do!
#993 [12:21] <lern> Yes, xales, me and loki do.
#994 [12:21] <xales> What with?
#995 [12:21] <Lokilol> We're trying to start a SMP server,
#996 [12:21] <lern> Loki, take the stand, bro.
#997 [12:21] <Lokilol> and i've forwarded all my ports
#998 [12:21] <Lokilol> and done all of that jazz.
#999 [12:21] <Lokilol> i myself can connect to the server, while lern cannot.
#1000 [12:22] <xales> what IP are you trying to use, lern?
#1001 [12:22] <Lokilol> i've tried just about everything, and double checked everything.
#1002 [12:22] <lern> What is MY ip or the ip I'm trying to enter?
#1003 [12:22] <xales> the IP you are trying to enter
#1004 [12:22] <Lokilol> 192.168.1.107
#1005 [12:22] <xales> That would be why
#1006 [12:22] <Hanul> Do you know what daniel's twitter is?
#1007 [12:22] <lern> 192.168.1.107
#1008 [12:22] <xales> that is his internal address
#1009 [12:22] <xales> that would only work if you are on the same network as him
#1010 [12:23] <Lokilol> I see!
#1011 [12:23] <xales> try using 99.239.247.246
#1012 [12:23] <lern> Aha...
#1013 [12:23] <Lokilol> may i ask how you came up with that IP so quickly?
#1014 [12:23] <xales> Lokilol: /whois Lokilol
#1015 [12:23] <lern> It timed out.
#1016 [12:23] <Lokilol> I see.
#1017 [12:24] <xales> Lokilol: Anyway, if that timed out, it sounds like the port forward may be wrong
#1018 [12:24] <Hanul> nevermind, found it.
#1019 [12:24] <xales> can you take a screenshot of the port-forward rule?
#1020 [12:25] <Lokilol> I used a program called "Simply Port Forwarding"
#1021 [12:25] <xales> Those tend to not work... ._.
#1022 [12:25] <BonkTheScout> Minecraft Opened: Under 70%
#1023 [12:26] <Lokilol> I see.
#1024 [12:26] <Lokilol> I also tried to do it manually.
#1025 [12:26] <xales> Lokilol: I can guide you through doing it manually if you would like
#1026 [12:26] <lern> 19:26 Lokilol I also tried to do it manually.
#1027 [12:26] <lern> I think it didn't work either
#1028 [12:26] <Lokilol> That would be wonderful.
#1029 [12:27] <lern> Buuuut hey. Anything could work
#1030 [12:27] <xales> Lokilol: Are you using XP or Vista/7?
#1031 [12:27] <Lokilol> Vista.
#1032 [12:27] <aetherian> lolvista
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#1034 [12:27] <xales> ok, open the start menu
#1035 [12:27] <xales> and in the search box, type 'cmd' and press enter
#1036 [12:27] <Lokilol> alright.
#1037 [12:28] <Lokilol> alright.
#1038 [12:28] <xales> in the command prompt window, type 'ipconfig' and hit enter
#1039 [12:28] <xales> then, tell me the IPv4 address and the Default Gateway address
#1040 [12:28] <Lokilol> 192.168.1.107
#1041 [12:28] <Lokilol> that's the IPv4
#1042 [12:28] <Lokilol> and the default is
#1043 [12:29] <Lokilol> 192.168.1.1
#1044 [12:29] <xales> ok, open up a web browser, and go to 192.168.1.1 as the address
#1045 [12:29] <Lokilol> already done.
#1046 [12:29] <xales> ok, does it ask for a username/password?
#1047 [12:29] <Lokilol> Yes.
#1048 [12:29] <Lokilol> already done as well.
#1049 [12:29] <xales> ok
#1050 [12:30] <xales> do you know the model number of the router?
#1051 [12:30] <Lokilol> Yes.
#1052 [12:30] <xales> what is it?
#1053 [12:30] <Lokilol> It's a WRT54G v5
#1054 [12:31] <xales> ok, click the 'Applications and Gaming' tab
#1055 [12:31] <Lokilol> done.
#1056 [12:31] <xales> in the first column, put the following settings
#1057 [12:32] <xales> Application: Minecraft Start:25565 End:25565 Protocol:Both IP Address: 192.168.1.107 Enable: check
#1058 [12:32] <Lokilol> done!
#1059 [12:33] <xales> ok, now, I'm not sure if this is needed or not, but in the 'Security' tab, you may have to uncheck 'Block Anonymous Internet Requests'
#1060 [12:33] <Lokilol> It is, and I've already done that.
#1061 [12:33] <xales> ok
#1062 [12:33] <xales> see if it works now
#1063 [12:33] <Lokilol> I'm assuming it's ok to connect to the server now?
#1064 [12:33] <xales> it should be
#1065 [12:34] <lern> ip?
#1066 [12:34] <Lokilol> i think it should as well.
#1067 [12:34] <lern> oh wait
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#1069 [12:34] <Lokilol> i noticed there were a couple errors while you were going through it.
#1070 [12:34] <lern> It's still on my mp
#1071 [12:34] <xales> lern: 99.239.247.246
#1072 [12:34] <lern> refused.
#1073 [12:34] <Lokilol> let me boot up the server first.
#1074 [12:34] <lern> It instantly refused my connection.
#1075 [12:34] <lern> Ah.
#1076 [12:34] <Lokilol> alright
#1077 [12:34] <Lokilol> try now.
#1078 [12:34] <lern> Of course.
#1079 [12:34] <lern> logging in!
#1080 [12:34] <lern> Woot!
#1081 [12:35] <lern> In!
#1082 [12:35] <Lokilol> Thank you kindly!
#1083 [12:35] <lern> Indeed!
#1084 [12:35] <xales> No problem, if you need any more help, you know where I am
#1085 [12:35] <lern> Right!
#1086 [12:36] <lern> hold it one second.
#1087 [12:36] <lern> I have no idea if this is okay or not but I can't say anything in there, is that a bug or just a setting? I'm actually new to the mp-feature of mc.
#1088 [12:36] <xales> What do you mean?
#1089 [12:37] <lern> oh, nevermind, it's just a lot of lag.
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#1091 [12:37] <xolotl> lern: What do you mean?
#1092 [12:37] <xales> xolotl: Chat lag
#1093 [12:37] <xolotl> Aha
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#1096 [12:41] <ItsCriminal> hi, whow can i set the spawn point for dead and new player where i want to, im just running the normal minecraftserver.jar withour addons
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#1099 [12:43] <xolotl> ItsCriminal: You'll have to use a world editor
#1100 [12:43] <ItsCriminal> great thank you
#1101 [12:44] <xolotl> (be sure to take the server down first, of course)
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#1105 [12:46] <ItsCriminal> can i use Omen =?
#1106 [12:47] <xolotl> ItsCriminal: Last I knew about, Omen was only for Classic maps
#1107 [12:47] <xolotl> ItsCriminal: Could be it's seen an update since then
#1108 [12:47] <ItsCriminal> ok good
#1109 [12:47] <xales> pretty sure Omen is just classic
#1110 [12:48] <xolotl> ItsCriminal: I assume MCEdit could do it; personally I've only ever used pymclevel, which is the library mcedit is based on
#1111 [12:48] <xales> xolotl: MCEdit can do it
#1112 [12:48] <xolotl> (but that would require doing a bit of actual coding)
#1113 [12:48] <xolotl> K, figured.
#1114 [12:48] <ItsCriminal> where i get MCEdit
#1115 [12:49] <ItsCriminal> still alpha?
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#1118 [12:49] <xolotl> ItsCriminal: from the forums
#1119 [12:49] <ItsCriminal> im looking already ^^
#1120 [12:49] <xolotl> Or, you know, it's the first hit of a google for "mcedit":
#1121 [12:49] <xolotl> s/://
#1122 [12:50] <xales> http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?t=15522
#1123 [12:50] <xales> ._.
#1124 [12:50] <ItsCriminal> thx
#1125 [12:52] <Kealper> !reload mod_mchelp
#1126 [12:52] <Kealper> wait....crap....
#1127 [12:52] <xales> :O
#1128 [12:53] <Kealper> !reload mod_mchelp
#1129 [12:53] <Kealper> now it'll work
#1130 [12:54] <Kealper> !check asdfhkjasdfasdg
#1131 [12:54] <xales> what changed?
#1132 [12:54] <xales> !check rim.jobs
#1133 [12:54] <xales> :>
#1134 [12:54] <Kealper> added handling for that
#1135 [12:54] <Kealper> and...
#1136 [12:54] <Kealper> !myip
#1137 [12:54] <xales> !myip
#1138 [12:54] <xales> OMG U HAXOR
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#1141 [12:54] <Kealper> lol
#1142 [12:55] <xales> Look @ my link in the other channel
#1143 [12:55] <Kealper> now we just need lukegb to get here and test it to make sure it spits out his ipv6 address correctly
#1144 [12:55] <Kealper> the fluxbox install?
#1145 [12:55] <xales> not fluxbox
#1146 [12:55] <Kealper> arch*
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#1148 [12:56] <xales> yes
#1149 [12:56] <Kealper> yea i seen it, but i just sucked at remmebering what it was i seen lol
#1150 [12:56] <Kealper> you using that on your main?
#1151 [12:56] <xales> do you see what I meant about windows not looking good? :>
#1152 [12:56] <xales> yeah, this is my main
#1153 [12:56] <Drule> Hi. Whenever I connect to an SMP server I get:
#1154 [12:56] <Drule> exception: java.net.SocketException: Software caused connection abort: recv
#1155 [12:56] <Kealper> xales: nice
#1156 [12:56] <Drule> I can't see the beginning or end of the message because it's outside the windwo
#1157 [12:56] <Drule> Any help?
#1158 [12:57] <Kealper> Drule: any server? or the one you tried?
#1159 [12:57] <Drule> It's my own dedicated server. It happens when I connect at home
#1160 [12:57] <Drule> at work it works fine
#1161 [12:57] <Drule> and it's the same computer
#1162 [12:57] <Kealper> so it's just on that specific computer?
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#1164 [12:57] <Drule> No, I use this computer at work too - it's a laptop.
#1165 [12:57] <Kealper> O.o
#1166 [12:57] <Kealper> that's wierd
#1167 [12:58] <xales> Firewall.
#1168 [12:58] <Drule> No, I'm on mobile internet.
#1169 [12:58] <Drule> so I don't have a firewall
#1170 [12:58] <Drule> I'm connected straight via 3G net
#1171 [12:58] <Kealper> are you connected the same way at your work?
#1172 [12:59] <Drule> No, i'm connected via LAN/fibre optic at work
#1173 [12:59] <xales> ooh, 3G?
#1174 [12:59] <xales> that might do it
#1175 [12:59] <xolotl> If it works on one but not the other, that seems to point to a problem in the network, yeah? :)
#1176 [12:59] <Kealper> your 3g adapter probably can't handle the amount of packets minecraft need s:/
#1177 [13:00] <Kealper> it's recieve buffer might be too small....i could give you a few steps to see if you can change it though
#1178 [13:00] <Kealper> what os are you on?
#1179 [13:00] <Drule> Vista
#1180 [13:01] <Drule> also, this is the first time any game has stopped working due to me being on 3G.
#1181 [13:01] <Drule> But yeah, what do I do?
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#1184 [13:02] <Kealper> wait, this is the first time you have got this? so it has worked before?
#1185 [13:03] <xales> on Multiplayer?
#1186 [13:03] <Kealper> what else were you doing on the internet when you got this error? (downloading/uploading anything?)
#1187 [13:03] <Drule> No, I mean this is the first *game* I've had a problem with on 3G.
#1188 [13:03] <Kealper> oh lol
#1189 [13:04] <Kealper> yeah, this game is hard on network adapter buffers
#1190 [13:04] <Stimpson> Hello, Does anyone know why the .exe would run choppy laggy and almost unplayable but the web version would work fine?
#1191 [13:04] <Kealper> loads of data that needs to be transferred :/
#1192 [13:04] <Drule> Well, what can I do?
#1193 [13:04] <xales> Stimpson: Any antivirus software running?
#1194 [13:04] <Kealper> Stimpson: ram issues?
#1195 [13:04] <Stimpson> yeah norton 360
#1196 [13:04] <xales> Theres the problem
#1197 [13:04] <Kealper> Drule: ok then
#1198 [13:04] <xales> completely disable it
#1199 [13:04] <xales> or uninstall it
#1200 [13:04] <Drule> http://www.cloudafloat.com/oblique.png
#1201 [13:04] <Kealper> Drule: go to your start menu search bar, and type Device Manager
#1202 [13:04] <Drule> holy shit
#1203 [13:05] <Drule> ok Kealper done
#1204 [13:05] <xales> Norton-anything after the year 2000 is utter useless shit
#1205 [13:05] <Kealper> device manager is open?
#1206 [13:05] <Drule> yes
#1207 [13:05] <Kealper> look under Network adapters
#1208 [13:05] <Kealper> find your adapter
#1209 [13:05] <Drule> I can save you the trouble - I'm on an iPhone 3G.
#1210 [13:06] <Drule> so
#1211 [13:06] <Kealper> crap lol
#1212 [13:06] <Drule> Apple Mobile Device Ethernet
#1213 [13:06] <Kealper> well, is it under Network Adapters?
#1214 [13:06] <xales> I am 99% sure that won't be changable, Kealper
#1215 [13:06] <Kealper> probably
#1216 [13:06] <Drule> Yes, it's a driver that allows me to get internet from my iphone via USB
#1217 [13:06] <xales> knowing Apple
#1218 [13:06] <Kealper> but....in the last shred of hope...double click it in the list
#1219 [13:07] <Drule> ok
#1220 [13:07] <Drule> what now
#1221 [13:07] <Stimpson> I disables all protection still does the same thing.
#1222 [13:07] <Kealper> check the Advanced tab, look in the Property: spot
#1223 [13:07] <Kealper> anything about Recieve Buffers or Transmit Buffers
#1224 [13:07] <Drule> there is no advanced tab
#1225 [13:07] <xales> Stimpson: What are the specs of your computer?
#1226 [13:08] <Kealper> Drule: well then...looks like iphones don't have the buffer size to play minecraft smp :/
#1227 [13:08] <Drule> ugh
#1228 [13:08] <Stimpson> Xales: win 7 ult 32 bit 4gb ram 2.5ghz quad cor intel core2
#1229 [13:09] <Drule> that sucks
#1230 [13:09] <Drule> what makes minecraft so special
#1231 [13:09] <Kealper> Java
#1232 [13:09] <Drule> that sucks
#1233 [13:09] <Kealper> indeed
#1234 [13:09] <Drule> i want to play minecraft
#1235 [13:09] <xales> Stimpson: Open task-manager, how much CPU and RAM is in use when Minecraft is open
#1236 [13:09] <mbentley> some people get lag because their dsl is too slow with minecraft...
#1237 [13:09] <xales> let alone 3G, via an iPhone
#1238 [13:10] <Stimpson> Xales: Cpu usage 30% memory usage 70%
#1239 [13:10] <Drule> ffffffff
#1240 [13:11] <Drule> no neighbor i can steal internet from either
#1241 [13:11] <Drule> wait!
#1242 [13:11] <Drule> i have a VPN tunnel to work
#1243 [13:11] <Drule> maybe that could work
#1244 [13:11] <Kealper> as long as it is not going through your iphone, it should
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#1246 [13:11] <Drule> it is going through my iphone, obviously :)
#1247 [13:11] <Kealper> then it probably won't work
#1248 [13:11] <xales> Stimpson: Are you absolutely sure you disabled Norton completely?
#1249 [13:12] <Stimpson> yes
#1250 [13:12] <Drule> but if its a tunnel, the target terminal will be able to respond to eventual pings or requests from the MC server
#1251 [13:12] <xales> Try also adding an exception for minecraft.exe and javaw.exe
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#1253 [13:12] <xales> Drule: Wrong
#1254 [13:13] <SadMinecrafteer> Hey, MineCraftHelp, I have a question.
#1255 [13:13] <SadMinecrafteer> What do I do if I get stuck?
#1256 [13:13] <xales> 'stuck'?
#1257 [13:13] <SadMinecrafteer> Yes.
#1258 [13:13] <Kealper> Drule: the problem is is (most likely) that the iphone's recieve and transmit buffers can not hold enough data
#1259 [13:13] <Stimpson> Xales: it remminds me of a grphics lag problem in other games. If i dont move it runs fine but when i try to turn or walk its suprer choppy
#1260 [13:13] <xales> 'stuck' how?
#1261 [13:13] <SadMinecrafteer> See, I wanted to just explore
#1262 [13:13] <Stimpson> Xales: but it run completly fine in the browser
#1263 [13:13] <xales> Stimpson: It sounds like a disk IO issue, which tends to be Norton causing it
#1264 [13:14] <SadMinecrafteer> So I put away all my items, jumped in the water, and dug
#1265 [13:14] <SadMinecrafteer> And dug and dug
#1266 [13:14] <Drule> ugh
#1267 [13:14] <Drule> god
#1268 [13:14] <Drule> this annoys me to no end
#1269 [13:14] <SadMinecrafteer> And suddenly I was pulled into a pitch-black underground cavern
#1270 [13:14] <Drule> i come home from a hard days work
#1271 [13:14] <SadMinecrafteer> From which there is apparently no escape
#1272 [13:14] <Drule> and wanna sit down and play some minecraft
#1273 [13:14] <Drule> this is bull
#1274 [13:14] <xales> SadMinecrafteer: The way you came in?
#1275 [13:14] <xales> Drule: Get an internet connection then...?
#1276 [13:14] <SadMinecrafteer> I tried, but
#1277 [13:14] <SadMinecrafteer> 1.) It's pitch black
#1278 [13:15] <Drule> i cant, im borrowing my inlaws apartment for two weeks due to bathroom repairs
#1279 [13:15] <Drule> thats why i have to use mobile internet
#1280 [13:15] <SadMinecrafteer> 2.) I seem to have come in through a waterfall or something which I can't find
#1281 [13:15] <xolotl> SadMinecrafteer: Did you go down there without any coal?
#1282 [13:15] <Stimpson> Xales: does the browser not use the dick like the .exe does?
#1283 [13:15] <Stimpson> disk*
#1284 [13:15] <xales> Mobile internet isn't exactly designed for gaming. Did you honestly expect it to work, Drule?
#1285 [13:15] <SadMinecrafteer> I went down without anything, since I didn't want to lose stuff.
#1286 [13:15] <xales> Stimpson: No, but Norton probably makes an exception for it because the browser launched it
#1287 [13:15] <xolotl> SadMinecrafteer: Heh, therein lies your mistake
#1288 [13:15] <SadMinecrafteer> Which was less than smart in hindsight
#1289 [13:15] <Drule> Yes xales.
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#1291 [13:15] <Drule> I did.
#1292 [13:15] <mbentley> sounds like you will have to be without minecraft then
#1293 [13:16] <Drule> Man mbentley
#1294 [13:16] <Drule> I must be addicted to MC or something
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#1296 [13:16] <xales> Drule: Play singleplayer?
#1297 [13:16] <mbentley> could always play single player
#1298 [13:16] <mbentley> lol
#1299 [13:16] <Stimpson> Xales: i will try uninstalling norton and see if that helps thanks
#1300 [13:16] <Drule> Nah, once you've had SMP there's no going back.
#1301 [13:16] <SadMinecrafteer> So, I don't suppose there's some sort of way to force a respawn?
#1302 [13:16] <Drule> It's like a drug.
#1303 [13:16] <Drule> I'm addicted.... I need help.
#1304 [13:16] <Drule> he,;lp
#1305 [13:16] <Drule> #recoveringminecraftaddicts
#1306 [13:16] <xolotl> SadMinecrafteer: Not in singleplayer, really; you'd have to find a way to die
#1307 [13:17] <xales> SadMinecrafteer: You could kill yourself, or use a mod, or worse-case, try using a map editor after backing up your map
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#1309 [13:17] <xolotl> SadMinecrafteer: If you can find that waterfall you came in on, you could just drown yourself
#1310 [13:17] <SadMinecrafteer> How do I kill myself
#1311 [13:17] <lukegb> !myip
#1312 [13:17] <mbentley> /kill, right?
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#1314 [13:17] <SadMinecrafteer> I've been trying to drown myself
#1315 [13:17] <xales> Drowning, jumping down holes
#1316 [13:17] <xolotl> SadMinecrafteer: Keep digging down and you may find a lucky lava pool
#1317 [13:17] <xales> mbentley: Not in singleplayer
#1318 [13:17] <mbentley> ah
#1319 [13:17] <lukegb> Kealper: that's not an IP
#1320 [13:17] <SadMinecrafteer> And also digging above my head
#1321 [13:17] <SadMinecrafteer> Hoping for gravel
#1322 [13:17] <xolotl> SadMinecrafteer: Or just start a new world; sounds like you're not very far in this one
#1323 [13:17] <mbentley> i have never played single player myself
#1324 [13:17] <SadMinecrafteer> There were two skeletons earlier
#1325 [13:17] <SadMinecrafteer> but apparently they shot each other and died :(
#1326 [13:18] <SadMinecrafteer> And also I am rather far, I have a massive mine on this island and a castle on another one
#1327 [13:18] <SadMinecrafteer> far enough so that i don't want to restart
#1328 [13:18] <xolotl> SadMinecrafteer: ... but you don't know to bring coal with you?
#1329 [13:18] <SadMinecrafteer> Yes
#1330 [13:18] <xolotl> SadMinecrafteer: And travel via self-made waterfall?
#1331 [13:18] <SadMinecrafteer> I also forgot to take off my armor, so there's that
#1332 [13:18] <SadMinecrafteer> derp
#1333 [13:18] <xales> SadMinecrafteer: Turn the gamma on your monitor waaaay up
#1334 [13:18] <xales> like max it out
#1335 [13:19] <xales> it will be light as day in the cavern
#1336 [13:19] <xales> then just jump down repeatedly or drown, or whatever
#1337 [13:19] <statik> !check
#1338 [13:19] <SadMinecrafteer> okay
#1339 [13:19] <SadMinecrafteer> must find gamma on laptop settings
#1340 [13:20] <statik> !weather 79912
#1341 [13:20] <crickets> statik: From El Paso, Texas (10:51a Feb 02 11) temp(10 F / -12 C, feels like -7 F / -22 C) cond(Overcast) wind(ENE at 16 mph / 26 km/h) hu(58%) dewpnt(-2 F / -19 C) bp(30.42 in / 1030 hPa (Rising)) clouds(Overcast (OVC) : 4500 ft / 1371 m) vis(10.0 miles / 16.1 kilometers) uv(2 out of 16)
#1342 [13:20] <crickets> Today: Mostly cloudy with a 40 percent chance of snow. Windy... colder. Highs around 20. East winds 25 to 35 mph. Gusts up to 45 mph over west slopes and passes.
#1343 [13:20] <crickets> Alert: Wind Chill Advisory in effect until noon MST Thursday...
#1344 [13:20] <xales> !weather 19118
#1345 [13:20] <crickets> xales: From Erdenheim, Erdenheim, Pennsylvania (1:00p Feb 02 11) temp(34.6 F / 1.4 C, feels like 35 F / 1 C) cond(Overcast) wind(North at 0.0 mph / 0.0 km/h) hu(100%) dewpnt(35 F / 1 C) bp(29.60 in / 1002.3 hPa (Falling)) clouds(Overcast (OVC) : 300 ft / 91 m) vis(0.2 miles / 0.4 kilometers) uv(1 out of 16)
#1346 [13:20] <crickets> This Afternoon: Cloudy. A chance of rain early...then a slight chance of rain. Areas of fog. Highs in the lower 40s. Northwest winds around 5 mph...becoming west 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph. Chance of rain 30 percent.
#1347 [13:20] <lukegb> ...
#1348 [13:20] <lukegb> SPAM ALERT
#1349 [13:21] <statik> wow PA is warmer then Texas
#1350 [13:21] <SadMinecrafteer> I am not seeing a gamma option
#1351 [13:21] * xales /kick lukegb SPAMMAR
#1351 [13:21] <SadMinecrafteer> raaah
#1352 [13:21] <lukegb> xales: I think there was a /me thar :D
#1353 [13:21] <lukegb> ;)
#1354 [13:21] <xales> SadMinecrafteer: Its probably in a control panel (nvidia control center/ati catalyst control center)
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#1357 [13:22] <SadMinecrafteer> i'm trying to
#1358 [13:22] <SadMinecrafteer> but macs are irritating now
#1359 [13:22] <Nolan> Same here
#1360 [13:22] <Nolan> Hey all
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#1362 [13:23] <SadMinecrafteer> okay i turned the gamma up as much as possible
#1363 [13:23] <SadMinecrafteer> :o
#1364 [13:23] <SadMinecrafteer> it worrrrrks
#1365 [13:23] <psypc2> hi why doesn't notch respond to the emails he recives?
#1366 [13:23] <Nolan> ;He prolly gets thousands lol
#1367 [13:23] <statik> at least
#1368 [13:24] <psypc2> i am talking about the payment email
#1369 [13:24] <Nolan> Xales are you alive?
#1370 [13:24] <xales> psypc2: Last I heard, there were at least 80,000 emails or something
#1371 [13:24] <xales> psypc2: email daniel@mojang.com for a faster response
#1372 [13:24] <xales> Nolan: seems so
#1373 [13:24] <SadMinecrafteer> okay
#1374 [13:24] <SadMinecrafteer> now it's time to tunnel out through all this rock with my BARE HANS
#1375 [13:24] <psypc2> does this guy daniel handle payments and such?
#1376 [13:24] <SadMinecrafteer> er, hands
#1377 [13:24] <Nolan> Lol can we try and fix the final things in the server?
#1378 [13:24] <xales> psypc2: yes
#1379 [13:25] <psypc2> ok thank you for the tip
#1380 [13:25] <psypc2> i will send him a email right away
#1381 [13:25] <xales> Nolan: I have no idea what the issue is, Kealper might have an idea
#1382 [13:25] * xales pokes Kealper
#1382 [13:25] <SadMinecrafteer> Thanks so much MineCraftHelp, you guys are swell
#1383 [13:26] <Nolan> Kealper?
#1384 [13:26] <Kealper> rawr?
#1385 [13:26] <Kealper> what server
#1386 [13:27] <xales> Kealper: Nolan is on a Mac that had some pretty nasty security stuff on it (NetNanny and Intego), also behind double NAT
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#1388 [13:27] <Kealper> paranoid-much?
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#1390 [13:27] <Nolan> We got the netnanny and intego off
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#1392 [13:28] <Kealper> ok, now you just need to forward the ports?
#1393 [13:28] <Nolan> Well we think we did
#1394 [13:29] <Kealper> ok...you forwarded through both of those nat devices?
#1395 [13:29] <Nolan> Xales: I think we did
#1396 [13:29] <xales> Kealper: I did the forward, 99% sure it was right
#1397 [13:29] <xales> or well, I guided him through it
#1398 [13:30] <xales> anyway, its 192.168.2.1 -> 192.168.2.2/192.168.5.1 -> 192.168.5.6
#1399 [13:30] <Kealper> i have no idea then...i've never even tried being behind two nats :/
#1400 [13:30] <xales> Nolan: Have you tried running it again today, on the off-chance it decides to start working?
#1401 [13:31] <Nolan> ok hang on
#1402 [13:31] <xales> also, brb one sec, gotta reboot to load kernel modules ._.
#1403 [13:32] <SadMinecrafteer> You guys are the best
#1404 [13:32] <SadMinecrafteer> Got me out of that cave and everything
#1405 [13:32] <Kealper> O.o
#1406 [13:32] <SadMinecrafteer> :3
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#1408 [13:33] <Nolan> Connection still refused
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#1410 [13:34] <Kealper> might i ask....why are you behind two nats?
#1411 [13:34] <Nolan> I dont know!?
#1412 [13:35] <xales> Kealper: Modem->wireless router
#1413 [13:35] <Kealper> oh....makes sense
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#1415 [13:36] <Kealper> if he turned off dhcp on the wireless router it would just act as an access point without natting stuff
#1416 [13:37] <kendle> hello im an american without a eruopean bank account. will i have any trouble buying minecraft ???
#1417 [13:37] <mbentley> kendle: no
#1418 [13:37] <mbentley> paypal or credit card
#1419 [13:37] <kendle> credit
#1420 [13:37] <mbentley> should work just fine
#1421 [13:37] <Nolan> Kealper should I do that?
#1422 [13:37] <mbentley> Kealper: that is true as long as the WAN port isn't being used
#1423 [13:37] <kendle> what will it cost in american dollars?
#1424 [13:38] * Kealper is just going to be quiet, as he has never messed with stuff like that
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#1425 [13:38] <mbentley> ~$20.65
#1426 [13:38] <Nolan> dang it....
#1427 [13:39] <mbentley> according the google...
#1428 [13:39] <kendle> hmmmm............ can i play single player/survial without a connection?
#1429 [13:39] <mbentley> yes as long as you have signed in once while connected to the internet
#1430 [13:39] <kendle> will my transaction be delayed because im in america? getting all my questions out :D
#1431 [13:39] <mbentley> shouldn't be
#1432 [13:40] <mbentley> credit card can take longer than paypal though
#1433 [13:40] <kendle> any people that have heard of N8?
#1434 [13:41] <kendle> so.......how does the server system work for mincraft?
#1435 [13:42] <Kealper> inefficiently
#1436 [13:42] <fogwraith> Whew, I'm plenty satisfied with my new router ;P
#1437 [13:42] <kendle> i hear that i have to host a server on my computer D:
#1438 [13:43] <xales> kendle: Why would you have to do that?
#1439 [13:43] <xales> whoever said that was very misinformed
#1440 [13:43] <kendle> oh.........so is it a single server or........what?
#1441 [13:44] <mbentley> you can just play single player and it does not require a server
#1442 [13:44] <mbentley> it is like every other game out there
#1443 [13:44] <kendle> and what about multiplayer?
#1444 [13:45] <mbentley> someone needs to run a server
#1445 [13:45] <mbentley> you join that server
#1446 [13:45] <mbentley> you play
#1447 [13:45] <xales> also just like every other game
#1448 [13:45] <kendle> ah....so its under the individual hosts control
#1449 [13:45] <kendle> hmmmmmm
#1450 [13:46] <kendle> is there any additional things i have to buy or any cash atvantage in the game?
#1451 [13:47] <xales> no
#1452 [13:47] <xales> it isn't an MMO
#1453 [13:47] <kendle> :D
#1454 [13:48] <kendle> good i heard about this game through an MMO indi game that is getting annoying
#1455 [13:48] <xolotl> (note that some servers *do* run mods which implement in-game economy and the like; the base game itself doesn't do that though)
#1456 [13:48] <kendle> how big is the map/world?
#1457 [13:48] <kendle> looks huge
#1458 [13:49] <mbentley> it expands
#1459 [13:49] <kendle> 0_0
#1460 [13:49] <xales> infinite maps, though technically, it is bounded by a 64-bit integer
#1461 [13:49] <xolotl> kendle: it's effectively infinite. You'll run out of disk space before you reach the end, or even where the engine starts glitching out
#1462 [13:49] <xales> however, you would need a massive hard-drive to support that
#1463 [13:50] <kendle> where can i look up running specs
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#1465 [13:50] <lyude> Hey guys, how do you allow the normal ingame commands that come with the stock software in bukkit?
#1466 [13:50] <lyude> Like /playerlist and all that
#1467 [13:50] <xolotl> lyude: #bukkit
#1468 [13:50] <lyude> k
#1469 [13:52] <kendle> two more questions one: can i install on more than one computer with one account? Two: do i need to connect for patching?
#1470 [13:53] <xolotl> kendle: Yes and yes
#1471 [13:53] <kendle> swell ty very much for helping me out :D
#1472 [13:53] <kendle> cya
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#1477 [14:02] <DopeGhoti> xales: Infinite? I thought there was a literal bound at ~8 earths' area.
#1478 [14:03] <xales> DopeGhoti: No, the map generator starts to fuck up then
#1479 [14:03] <xales> you can keep going though
#1480 [14:03] <xolotl> DopeGhoti: *effectively* infinite
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#1482 [14:03] <DopeGhoti> xales: Ah, I thought those edge-of-world rounding-error videos were at the boundary.
#1483 [14:03] <Drule> Is it possible to turn a SP map into a SMP map? If so, how?
#1484 [14:03] <Kealper> there technically is a limit
#1485 [14:03] <KillSpammer> Lol garrynewman replied to me on twitter :P
#1486 [14:04] <KillSpammer> Drule upload your map to the server files.
#1487 [14:04] <Kealper> once stuff gets out of bounds for a 64 bit int it will crash
#1488 [14:04] <KillSpammer> And rename it world or somethin
#1489 [14:04] <Drule> KillSpammer: So it's the exact same format? There's no need to convert anything?
#1490 [14:04] <KillSpammer> Nope
#1491 [14:04] <DopeGhoti> Kealper: Ah, so the rounding error fun starts long before that point. Gotcha.
#1492 [14:04] <Kealper> but if you can find the boundries for a 64bit int, then you should stop playing minecraft on RoadRunner lol
#1493 [14:04] <Drule> Awesome
#1494 [14:04] <KillSpammer> Just open up your saves and transfer the appropiate world.
#1495 [14:04] <Drule> cool
#1496 [14:04] <Drule> Thanks!
#1497 [14:04] <xales> Kealper: I got ALSA to work, and I'm not kidding, I think sound quality is higher then Windows =/
#1498 [14:04] <KillSpammer> np
#1499 [14:05] <DopeGhoti> "than".
#1500 [14:05] <xales> Kealper: I'd previously been using OSS and everything sounded like garbage
#1501 [14:05] <xales> DopeGhoti: fu
#1502 [14:05] <DopeGhoti> Thanks, but I'm spoken for.
#1503 [14:05] <Kealper> xales: it mighh use 24-bit 96khz by default, windows uses like 16-bit 48khz or something by default
#1504 [14:07] <xales> O_o
#1505 [14:07] <xales> I just realized why IRC was lagging
#1506 [14:08] <xales> I was downloading at 3.5MiB/s, I thought it says Mb/s
#1507 [14:08] <xales> ._.
#1508 [14:09] <Kealper> lol
#1509 [14:09] <xales> now to re-find and download my music
#1510 [14:10] <DopeGhoti> That would do it, yes.
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#1512 [14:12] <Noobestimate> hey
#1513 [14:12] <Noobestimate> i kinda
#1514 [14:12] <Noobestimate> cant use the multiplayer
#1515 [14:12] <Noobestimate> for minecraft
#1516 [14:12] <Kealper> define can't use?
#1517 [14:13] <Noobestimate> hmmm
#1518 [14:13] <Noobestimate> im a new user
#1519 [14:13] <Noobestimate> so im trying out the game
#1520 [14:13] <Noobestimate> before i buy it
#1521 [14:13] <Noobestimate> so im on the free multiplayer region
#1522 [14:13] <Noobestimate> and everytime i connect to a server
#1523 [14:13] <Noobestimate> the screen just remains blank
#1524 [14:14] <DopeGhoti> Noobestimate: please stop using the Enter key as a comma.
#1525 [14:14] <Noobestimate> okay -,-
#1526 [14:14] <DopeGhoti> Noobestimate: Have you tried reinstalling the Minecraft binaries? For help with this:
#1527 [14:14] <DopeGhoti> !reinstall
#1528 [14:14] <statik> hey look who is here the grammar nazi
#1529 [14:15] <Noobestimate> Im afraid you misunderstand
#1530 [14:15] <Noobestimate> im using the java
#1531 [14:15] <Noobestimate> from the internet
#1532 [14:15] <DopeGhoti> statik: I have asked you very patiently, nicely, and repeatedly to lay off the ad-hominel attacks. My patience today will be very limited.
#1533 [14:15] <DopeGhoti> Noobestimate: It still stores binaries on your local machine.
#1534 [14:15] <Noobestimate> oh really? Thats interesting
#1535 [14:15] <Noobestimate> !reinstall
#1536 [14:16] <Noobestimate> where do i find the saves folder?
#1537 [14:17] <DopeGhoti> Noobestimate: start -> run -> "%AppData%" -> .minecraft
#1538 [14:17] <DopeGhoti> you should see a 'saves' folder in there.
#1539 [14:17] <Noobestimate> oh thanks
#1540 [14:17] <Noobestimate> there is no saves folder
#1541 [14:17] <Noobestimate> 0,0
#1542 [14:18] <Noobestimate> i havent saved a single game
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#1545 [14:19] <DopeGhoti> Noobestimate: Have you played any single-player? If not, there will be no saves to.. save.
#1546 [14:20] <DopeGhoti> Noobestimate: The main thing we're doing in that .minecraft directory anyhow is removing the 'bin' folder.
#1547 [14:20] <DopeGhoti> Kill that, and then try Minecraft again.
#1548 [14:20] <Noobestimate> done and done
#1549 [14:20] * DopeGhoti metaphorically crosses his fingers.
#1549 [14:20] <Noobestimate> by the way
#1550 [14:21] <Noobestimate> out of curiousity... do you find this game worth the money?
#1551 [14:21] <DopeGhoti> I very much did.
#1552 [14:21] <DopeGhoti> And do.
#1553 [14:21] <DopeGhoti> As do the others who play on my server
#1554 [14:21] <Noobestimate> so where are you from?
#1555 [14:21] <DopeGhoti> Originally, Vermont, but I dewll in Arizona now.
#1556 [14:22] <Noobestimate> alright and it costed you $15 right?
#1557 [14:22] <DopeGhoti> Closer to US$13.
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#1559 [14:22] <Noobestimate> Oh? Why so?
#1560 [14:22] <DopeGhoti> I bought it when it was only EU9.95
#1561 [14:22] <Noobestimate> Woah. Now its euro $15. Thats gonna cost me a bomb in singaporean dollars.
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#1563 [14:24] <DopeGhoti> Noobestimate: 15 euros = 26.2926 Singapore dollars according to Google right now.
#1564 [14:24] <Noobestimate> Oh god. That is expensive
#1565 [14:25] <Noobestimate> Minding the fact that i am a student.
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#1567 [14:25] <Noobestimate> Still. Looks like a buttload of fun
#1568 [14:25] <Dan610> Hello
#1569 [14:25] <DopeGhoti> Dan610: Salutations.
#1570 [14:25] <Noobestimate> oh and i had success joining a server already
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#1572 [14:25] <Dan610> Can somebody help me with saving a multiplayer map on my server?
#1573 [14:26] <Dan610> it went back to a normal island today
#1574 [14:26] <gingerale> [21:21:16] <gingerale> Hey, what causes Minecraft to freeze with all black screen when connecting to a MP server?
#1575 [14:26] <Shadow386> if you dont get a response within 5 mins, it doesnt mean keep posting it
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#1577 [14:26] <Shadow386> noone knows because it's been doing that to a lot of people lately
#1578 [14:27] <Noobestimate> oh
#1579 [14:27] <Noobestimate> you mean
#1580 [14:27] <Noobestimate> its normal?
#1581 [14:27] <lukegb> Shadow386: I like the fact he copy and pasted, instead of using the up arrow ;)
#1582 [14:27] <Kealper> lukegb!
#1583 [14:27] <Kealper> type !myip
#1584 [14:27] <lukegb> !myip
#1585 [14:27] <Sqozza> !hisip
#1586 [14:27] <Shadow386> yeah, it's been like that and I've gotten complaints as well on my server about it
#1587 [14:27] <lukegb> Kealper: fail.
#1588 [14:27] <Sqozza> :P
#1589 [14:27] <gingerale> Shadow: I asked it on the wrong channel
#1590 [14:27] <Kealper> darn
#1591 [14:27] <Shadow386> ello lukegb
#1592 [14:27] <lukegb> Kealper: I did that earlier, and it failed.
#1593 [14:27] <Noobestimate> oh what
#1594 [14:27] <Shadow386> well still
#1595 [14:28] <Shadow386> we dont know
#1596 [14:28] <Noobestimate> i cant build in any of these servers
#1597 [14:28] <Shadow386> !myip
#1598 [14:28] <Kealper> guess it can't even resolve ipv6 addresses :/
#1599 [14:28] <Shadow386> how do I create a vhost on here?
#1600 [14:28] <Dan610> How do I save my multiplayer map? D:
#1601 [14:28] <xales> Shadow386: You don't
#1602 [14:28] <Kealper> you don't Shadow386
#1603 [14:28] <Noobestimate> how do you chat in multiplayer?
#1604 [14:28] <lukegb> Shadow386: yay, Meaglin's submitting incorrectly formatted pull requests to Bukkit ;D
#1605 [14:28] <Shadow386> Dan610 magic
#1606 [14:28] <Sqozza> Let's try..
#1607 [14:28] <Sqozza> !myip
#1608 [14:28] <Sqozza> works for v4
#1609 [14:28] <Dan610> Shadow386, Tell me, I bed you, lol
#1610 [14:28] <lukegb> Sqozza: that's the point
#1611 [14:28] <Dan610> beg
#1612 [14:28] <Noobestimate> how do you chat in multiplayer?
#1613 [14:28] <Kealper> ndeed it does
#1614 [14:28] <xales> Noobestimate: t
#1615 [14:28] <Noobestimate> k
#1616 [14:28] <lukegb> Noobestimate: press 't'
#1617 [14:28] <Noobestimate> thanks
#1618 [14:28] <lukegb> Then type your message
#1619 [14:29] <Shadow386> type help in the console
#1620 [14:29] <lukegb> Then press the 'enter' or 'return' key
#1621 [14:29] <Dan610> save-all doesn't work
#1622 [14:29] <Shadow386> lukegb explain what Maeglin is doing?
#1623 [14:29] <Shadow386> Dan610 how so?
#1624 [14:29] <Dan610> it went back to beginning today
#1625 [14:29] <lukegb> Shadow386: contributing code to Bukkit :D
#1626 [14:29] <Dan610> I mean,
#1627 [14:29] <Dan610> I was playing fine today in my priv server
#1628 [14:29] <Shadow386> I think he's hoping it'll finally work
#1629 [14:29] <lukegb> Shadow386: but badly. But I think Grum 'fixed' them
#1630 [14:29] <lukegb> Shadow386: it does work
#1631 [14:29] <Shadow386> meh
#1632 [14:30] <Dan610> fine yesterday*
#1633 [14:30] <lukegb> Just we change the interface from time to time to annoy plugin devs
#1634 [14:30] <Shadow386> I still dont feel like converting to the crapbukkit where i have to re-do all my files, wait for people to fully update, and all that crap
#1635 [14:30] <Shadow386> could explain why I've been hearing complaints in my hMod inbox -_-
#1636 [14:31] <Shadow386> Dan610 idk save-all is supposed to work
#1637 [14:31] <Dan610> then how do I load it?
#1638 [14:31] <Shadow386> load a saved map? it should do it automatically
#1639 [14:31] <Shadow386> using any mods?
#1640 [14:31] <lukegb> Dan610: wait, is this a private server...?
#1641 [14:31] <Dan610> nope
#1642 [14:31] <Dan610> yes
#1643 [14:31] <Dan610> mine
#1644 [14:31] <Shadow386> where are you running the files from?
#1645 [14:31] <Nolan> Anyone have a server I could connect too?
#1646 [14:32] <lukegb> Yeah, save-all just flushes chunks to disk, supposedly
#1647 [14:32] <Shadow386> xales, there's your cue
#1648 [14:32] <Dan610> from a folder called minecraft in my desktop
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#1650 [14:32] <Dan610> oooohh
#1651 [14:32] <Shadow386> lukegb save-all works for me on three different types of servers
#1652 [14:32] <Dan610> I think I found the file on the folder it was in before
#1653 [14:32] <Noobestimate> does anyone else experience lag in minecraft or just me? ><
#1654 [14:32] <Shadow386> simpleserver wrapper, vanilla, and hmod
#1655 [14:32] <lukegb> Shadow386: ...?
#1656 [14:33] <lukegb> Shadow386: I didn't say it doesn't. But since it can't ensure chunks are flushed to disk in a platform independent way, it doesn't.
#1657 [14:33] <Shadow386> good point
#1658 [14:33] <Shadow386> gotta love java
#1659 [14:33] <lyude> D:
#1660 [14:33] <Shadow386> Noobestimate if your computer doesnt have super-specs its normal
#1661 [14:33] <lyude> ?
#1662 [14:34] <Shadow386> or if your ping/bandwidth is horrible
#1663 [14:34] <Noobestimate> is there anyway to counteract this?
#1664 [14:34] <Shadow386> lyude wut
#1665 [14:34] <Shadow386> Upgrade internet, upgrade computer
#1666 [14:34] <Noobestimate> really?
#1667 [14:34] <xales> Shadow386: ?
#1668 [14:34] <Noobestimate> its a 10 fps game
#1669 [14:34] <Nolan> Hey how do I register my nick?
#1670 [14:34] <Shadow386> someone was asking for a server :P
#1671 [14:34] <Noobestimate> i figured itd be a problem with the game before my computer -,-
#1672 [14:34] <xales> Nolan: /msg nickserv register password email
#1673 [14:35] <xales> Noobestimate: Nope
#1674 [14:35] <xales> Minecraft is actually very resource heavy
#1675 [14:35] <Shadow386> well minecraft isnt perfect, but since it is in early states, it may take a while
#1676 [14:35] <DopeGhoti> Noobestimate: It's a fairly resource-intensive game, despite the retro stylism.
#1677 [14:35] <Shadow386> once its finalized, it should be optimized soon
#1678 [14:35] <lyude> Yeah, thankfully
#1679 [14:35] <DopeGhoti> Also, what Shadow386 said- the engine is still in flux, and hasn't been optimized yet.
#1680 [14:35] <lyude> Although, bukkit seems to be optimized
#1681 [14:36] <lyude> Hmod on idle: 30% cpu usage
#1682 [14:36] <lyude> Bukkit on idle: 3% cpu usage
#1683 [14:36] <lyude> <win></win>
#1684 [14:36] * DopeGhoti wonders whether Bukkit will end up being the official mod API.
#1684 [14:36] <Shadow386> bukkit also has little to no functions and requires plugins to do so
#1685 [14:36] <lyude> Still
#1686 [14:36] <Shadow386> I dislike it
#1687 [14:36] <Dan610> shadow
#1688 [14:36] <Dan610> thanks for the help, I found the file
#1689 [14:36] <lyude> It's minimalistic
#1690 [14:36] <lyude> Meaning, you pick and choose what you get
#1691 [14:37] <Noobestimate> if i downloaded it and played it from the download file
#1692 [14:37] <lyude> I prefer minimalistic, minimalistic = more choices
#1693 [14:37] <Noobestimate> would there be less lag?
#1694 [14:37] <Dan610> Peace.
#1695 [14:37] <DopeGhoti> Noobestimate: possibly a little because your system wouldn't also have to keep your browser running at the same time.
#1696 [14:37] <Shadow386> I prefer hMod though since it has what I need
#1697 [14:37] <xales> Noobestimate: Possibly, but there is no download for Classic
#1698 [14:37] <Shadow386> if SimpleServer wrapper had an APi and plugins, I'd choose that over both
#1699 [14:37] <DopeGhoti> I run my server with no mods, and I _like_ it.
#1700 [14:38] <Shadow386> DopeGhoti I only use it for moderation :P
#1701 [14:38] <xales> Shadow386: suuuuuuurrrreeee
#1702 [14:38] <Shadow386> xales I will rape you in the face
#1703 [14:38] <Shadow386> with a stick
#1704 [14:38] <DopeGhoti> We don't need moderation; only non-jerks are allowed to play.
#1705 [14:38] <Shadow386> meh when you're a public server like me, you ask for it :P
#1706 [14:38] <DopeGhoti> Shadow386: let's keep things civil in here, shall we?
#1707 [14:38] <Shadow386> also have a mysql whitelist system
#1708 [14:38] <Kealper> DopeGhoti: same with my server
#1709 [14:38] <Shadow386> fineeee
#1710 [14:40] <xales> Shadow386: http://minestatus.net/
#1711 [14:40] <Shadow386> :O
#1712 [14:40] <Shadow386> must add shadow-craft
#1713 [14:41] <xales> ._.
#1714 [14:41] <Shadow386> >:D
#1715 [14:41] <xales> I just realized that you named your community after yourself
#1716 [14:42] <Shadow386> I didn't have any other idea for a name
#1717 [14:42] <Shadow386> >.>
#1718 [14:42] <Shadow386> Shadow771 did his named ShadowCraft (after mine) along with koo_04 named his Kootopia
#1719 [14:42] <Shadow386> there are a lot of servers like that :P
#1720 [14:42] <xales> lol
#1721 [14:42] <Shadow386> mines just sexier >_>
#1722 [14:43] <DopeGhoti> My server doesn't have my name in it; it's called [redacted].
#1723 [14:43] <Shadow386> lol
#1724 [14:43] <statik> 196?
#1725 [14:45] <DopeGhoti> statik: 47.
#1726 [14:47] <xales> !client
#1727 [14:48] <statik> Impressive builds DopeGhoti, is all this your work?
#1728 [14:49] <DopeGhoti> Not all of it.
#1729 [14:49] <DopeGhoti> Much of it is built by everyone in the community; someone has an idea, and everyone pitches in
#1730 [14:50] <DopeGhoti> http://minecraft.hfbgaming.com/map/
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#1732 [14:52] <feenyx> DopeGhoti: that is one epic skyroad
#1733 [14:52] <DopeGhoti> Fortunately, not much has changed since the last backup, so if worse come to worst, if ey is a troublemaker, the damage can be undone.
#1734 [14:52] <DopeGhoti> feenyx: it's not just a road- it's traversed by boosted minecarts from several stations.
#1735 [14:53] <feenyx> DopeGhoti: that is one EPIC sky main line of travel :p
#1736 [14:53] <DopeGhoti> I think about 30% of that was built before we knew that shift would keep you from falling.
#1737 [14:53] <feenyx> haha, I remember the times before crouching :p
#1738 [14:53] <statik> Don't worry I'm not a greafer, just don't like to be picked on in irc.
#1739 [14:54] <feenyx> I once built a 70 block long blimp
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#1741 [14:54] <feenyx> in mid-air
#1742 [14:54] <feenyx> ofcourse, that was before health worked, but still such a pain in the ass to build
#1743 [14:55] <statik> HAH! I did not know that crouch would keep you from falling. I have died so many times falling from buildings.
#1744 [14:55] <DopeGhoti> Amusingly, I played with fall damage in mind before it was enabled, so with the exception of the skyway, whenever I built, I put safety scaffolding in place :)
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#1746 [14:55] <feenyx> I did too
#1747 [14:55] <feenyx> mainly to avoid the hassle of having to make stairs, or go up them
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#1749 [14:56] <DopeGhoti> I'm a dork, so I'd also do things like put in "support beams" before putting upper ceilings/floos in place
#1750 [14:56] <statik> How did you port your map to google like that?
#1751 [14:56] <DopeGhoti> statik: Python. Lots of python.
#1752 [14:57] <DopeGhoti> (with a dash of imagemagick and pngcrush)
#1753 [14:57] <PigHunter1> Hey can some1 help me. im lagging. and it says minecraft use 100 % CPU and 750k menory. Can some1 tell me what to do ? :)
#1754 [14:57] <statik> I have quirks also like support pillars in the mines lol
#1755 [14:57] <DopeGhoti> PigHunter1: how much RAM have you? And what sort of CPU have you got?
#1756 [14:57] <PigHunter1> 4 GB
#1757 [14:57] <feenyx> statik: I haven't done it before, but I probably will from now on :p
#1758 [14:58] <DopeGhoti> Once the mod API is out, one of the first mods I'm going to make is a 'structural integrity' mod
#1759 [14:58] <PigHunter1> No idea with the CPU. I play it a week a go.. notting was wrong there
#1760 [14:58] <Swompie> do stairs use the textures of wood planks and cobblestone?
#1761 [14:58] <GreyVulpine> Swompie - Yes
#1762 [14:58] <Swompie> hm too bad :D but thx
#1763 [14:58] <Swompie> i want stone slab textured stairs :P
#1764 [14:58] <Swompie> they look much more awesome
#1765 [14:59] <PigHunter1> any idea ?
#1766 [14:59] <DopeGhoti> Swompie: solution: slab-textured cobblestone.
#1767 [14:59] <Swompie> yea
#1768 [14:59] <Swompie> but then anything would be slabstone texture
#1769 [14:59] <Swompie> ^^
#1770 [14:59] <Swompie> ill go with it as now
#1771 [15:00] <Swompie> maybe ill try around to make my own block :P
#1772 [15:00] <DopeGhoti> PigHunter1: "Have you tried restarting the computer'?
#1773 [15:01] <PigHunter1> DopeGhoti Yes alot xD
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#1775 [15:01] <DopeGhoti> PigHunter1: have you tried reinstalling the binaries?
#1776 [15:01] <DopeGhoti> !reinstall
#1777 [15:02] <PigHunter1> DopeGhoti No.. How ?
#1778 [15:02] * DopeGhoti points up three lines.
#1778 [15:03] <statik> Is it common for the game to crash after a lot of map travel?
#1779 [15:04] <xales> statik: Yes, for people who don't have computers that completely support Minecraft
#1780 [15:04] <statik> My game always dumps on me after walking/traveling a ways
#1781 [15:05] <statik> I'm sure my computer is more then capable of handing Minecraft.
#1782 [15:06] <xales> What makes you so sure?
#1783 [15:06] <Shadow386> specs of your pc?
#1784 [15:06] <statik> I7 920, 6gigs, 470sli, and 1ter raid-0
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#1787 [15:07] <Shadow386> Perhaps you have something running in the background or java is incompatible?
#1788 [15:07] <Redskye> Hey is anybody availiable to help?
#1789 [15:07] <Shadow386> or your computer doesnt like minecraft or minecraft doesnt like your computer?
#1790 [15:07] <xales> Redskye: Just ask the question
#1791 [15:07] <GreyVulpine> Redskye - In #MineCraftHelp? Never.
#1792 [15:07] <Shadow386> ^
#1793 [15:08] <Redskye> xD well ^^ xD
#1794 [15:08] <mib_83721r> Hey how do you put two railroads one next to the other? :(
#1795 [15:08] <Shadow386> mr mibbit user
#1796 [15:08] <Redskye> lol right, Basicaly, Every time i try to log into a non whitelist server it says ERROR BADLOGIN
#1797 [15:08] <Shadow386> make one track then the other
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#1799 [15:08] <DopeGhoti> mib_83721r: lay one first, then the other. Thinks get tricky around the ends.
#1800 [15:08] <Shadow386> using a hack?
#1801 [15:08] <mib_83721r> Tried that shadow, but it just turns
#1802 [15:08] <xales> Redskye: Download and run this, let me know what the IP of minecraft.net is (it gives it to you) http://darksigns.net/xales/mchelper.exe
#1803 [15:08] <statik> I do have some things going in the background but nothing uncommon.
#1804 [15:09] <xales> statik: You mean like Windows? *snrk*
#1805 [15:09] <Shadow386> wasn't there a way to right click a track and it turns? vanilla wise i mean
#1806 [15:09] <Shadow386> redstone?
#1807 [15:09] <Swompie> yes
#1808 [15:09] <DopeGhoti> Shadow386: you can use RS to toggle intersections, yes
#1809 [15:09] <Redskye> or switches lol
#1810 [15:09] <statik> I'll see if i can kill some processes, maybe the G19-ware is the issue.
#1811 [15:09] <Shadow386> then try that
#1812 [15:09] <DopeGhoti> (but it only works at intersections)
#1813 [15:09] <Shadow386> ah
#1814 [15:09] <DopeGhoti> "g19-ware"?
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#1816 [15:09] <xales> Redskye: You running that?
#1817 [15:10] <xales> It should list numbers (xx.xx.xx.xx) before the "press any key to quit" line
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#1819 [15:11] <statik> DopeGhoti: http://www.logitech.com/en-us/gaming/mice-keyboard-combos/devices/4956
#1820 [15:11] <statik> There are a ton of background processes linked to this thing.
#1821 [15:11] <PigHunter1> DopeGhoti Okay. now i have done that. it not lagging any more. but it tell use 600k memory and below 50 CPU. i think it okay to play now thx for you help
#1822 [15:12] <mib_83721r> I wanna do this : http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=107698 =D
#1823 [15:12] <mib_83721r> That's what I can't do :(
#1824 [15:12] <DopeGhoti> PigHunter1: cheers!
#1825 [15:12] * xales pokes Redskye
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#1826 [15:13] <PigHunter1> DopeGhoti now it starts to lag. :(
#1827 [15:14] <DopeGhoti> mib_83721r: Lay the long track first. Then lay the other outer track - but make it longer than you need. Then lay the middle track, and finally cut the second track you laid down to size.
#1828 [15:15] <ItsCriminal> if i change the spawn point do i have to upload the whole world again or just the level.dat?
#1829 [15:15] * xales pokes Shadow386 with http://darksigns.net/xales/arch2.jpg
#1829 [15:15] <Shadow386> purteh
#1830 [15:16] <Redskye> xales what does it do
#1831 [15:16] <GreyVulpine> Oh nice..
#1832 [15:16] <xales> Redskye: it is a diagnostic tool, it gives some information about the connection to minecraft.net
#1833 [15:16] <Redskye> ahhhh ok
#1834 [15:16] <Redskye> ty
#1835 [15:16] <xales> if you prefer not to use it, there are alternatives, but they take longer
#1836 [15:16] <Redskye> do i just download it and then run the thing
#1837 [15:16] <Redskye> while i run MC
#1838 [15:17] <xales> nope, don't need MC running
#1839 [15:17] <xales> just download and run it
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#1841 [15:17] <Redskye> ok
#1842 [15:18] <ItsCriminal> if i change the spawn point do i have to upload the whole world again or just the level.dat?
#1843 [15:18] <xales> ok, it should give you a set of numbers (xx.xx.xx.xx)
#1844 [15:18] <xales> paste the very last set in here
#1845 [15:18] <xales> ItsCriminal: No idea
#1846 [15:18] <Redskye> why?
#1847 [15:18] <Redskye> Ohh right, Ok i see it
#1848 [15:18] <ItsCriminal> ok i think its better to save all, download all, change the spawn, save, upload all, start the server again :D
#1849 [15:19] <Redskye> 184.73.247.183
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#1851 [15:19] <xales> that looks right...
#1852 [15:19] <xales> what username are you trying to use?
#1853 [15:19] <Redskye> My minecraft username
#1854 [15:19] <Redskye> Redskye
#1855 [15:19] <DopeGhoti> !paid Redskye
#1856 [15:20] <statik> Thats a useful trick.
#1857 [15:20] <DopeGhoti> Are you using any client-side mods at all?
#1858 [15:20] <statik> !paid
#1859 [15:20] <statik> !paid statik
#1860 [15:20] <xales> !disable
#1861 [15:20] <ItsCriminal> :P
#1862 [15:20] <statik> what
#1863 [15:20] <Redskye> cheapskate xD
#1864 [15:20] <DopeGhoti> statik: don't you mean 'staquix'?
#1865 [15:20] <Redskye> !paid bob
#1866 [15:20] <statik> !paid staquix
#1867 [15:20] <DopeGhoti> !disable
#1868 [15:21] <statik> Yes, thats the one.
#1869 [15:21] <Redskye> right xales what do i do for other servers?
#1870 [15:21] <statik> :)
#1871 [15:21] <xales> Redskye: Are you using the 'play offline' thing when you log in?
#1872 [15:21] <DopeGhoti> hah! mollstam> [13:19:35] If you're having server problems I feel bad for you son. Currently at the pub. :o
#1873 [15:21] <Redskye> No, I'm not lol xD i join online servers aswell
#1874 [15:21] <xales> DopeGhoti: ololol
#1875 [15:21] <Redskye> i have my own private server lol, But i only use that to toy around on
#1876 [15:22] <xales> Redskye: Try joining smp.shadow-craft.net
#1877 [15:22] <Redskye> Connection Lost
#1878 [15:22] <Redskye> Failed to login: Bad login
#1879 [15:23] <DopeGhoti> Redskye: are you running any client-side mods?
#1880 [15:23] <Redskye> No i just have minecraft
#1881 [15:23] <Redskye> no addons
#1882 [15:23] <Redskye> no nothing
#1883 [15:23] <xales> !reinstall
#1884 [15:23] <xales> do that
#1885 [15:23] <DopeGhoti> Redskye: would you mine reinstalling the binaries jsut in case?
#1886 [15:23] <DopeGhoti> ninja'd.
#1887 [15:23] <Redskye> soo just re-install the game
#1888 [15:23] <xales> yes, but you have to follow those instructions to reinstall properly
#1889 [15:24] <mibb> my computer shut down while playing, now the world i was playing is gone...
#1890 [15:24] <xales> That tends to happen
#1891 [15:24] <mibb> i was wondering how to remake it, if possible
#1892 [15:25] <SkiingPenguins> xales why is that so common ?
#1893 [15:25] <xales> If it isn't showing up in the list, then you won't be able to recover it
#1894 [15:25] <Redskye> Right
#1895 [15:25] <Redskye> im in
#1896 [15:25] <Shadow386> it worked
#1897 [15:25] <Shadow386> saw him login
#1898 [15:25] <xales> SkiingPenguins: File buffering on Windows sucks huge dick
#1899 [15:25] <GreyVulpine> xales - You can, just takes MCedit
#1900 [15:25] <xales> GreyVulpine: Pretty sure that only works when it shows up as 0MB
#1901 [15:25] * GreyVulpine shakes
#1901 [15:26] <statik> I have a save game that will load but it reads "(0.0 mb)" .
#1902 [15:26] <GreyVulpine> I've helped quite a few people on here with that same problem
#1903 [15:27] <mibb> so i can recover it? btw i already have MCedit downloaded
#1904 [15:27] <statik> They are doing rolling blackout here in Austin I had better get some backup's done. :P
#1905 [15:27] <DopeGhoti> statik: or a UPS.
#1906 [15:28] <GreyVulpine> mibb - Open up the world in MCedit, save it, then quit out and open it back up in minecraft
#1907 [15:28] <Redskye> siii xales I can now connect to servers
#1908 [15:28] <Redskye> What do i do though for updates
#1909 [15:28] <Mjiig> DopeGhoti: don't most UPS's only provide a few extra minutes of power?
#1910 [15:28] <DopeGhoti> Mjiig: there are some that provide hours
#1911 [15:28] <GreyVulpine> Pfft, no
#1912 [15:28] <GreyVulpine> Mjiig - You gotta buy the right UPS for the right load.
#1913 [15:28] <Mjiig> i know there are some that will do hours
#1914 [15:28] <statik> None that I can afford. :P
#1915 [15:28] <DopeGhoti> Mjiig: but even if you have one that give you ten minutes, that's enough time to gracefully shut the system(s) down.
#1916 [15:28] <DopeGhoti> (which is the point)
#1917 [15:29] <Mjiig> DopeGhoti: not on my vista install :)
#1918 [15:29] <DopeGhoti> *snrk*
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#1920 [15:29] <Shadow386> lol vista
#1921 [15:29] <Derpinator> HALPHALPHALP
#1922 [15:29] <Mjiig> why i never use it
#1923 [15:29] * LG_Legacy kicked Derpinator from #MineCraftHelp (Reason: No >:()
#1924 [15:29] <SkiingPenguins> lol i hated vista's shutdown. it made me so very angry
#1925 [15:30] <DopeGhoti> Even 7 annoy me. "Okay, shutting down, but let's install these updates first!"
#1926 [15:30] <xales> LG_Legacy: your clone needs some HALP
#1927 [15:30] <DopeGhoti> s/annoy/&s/
#1928 [15:30] <LG_Legacy> :P
#1929 [15:30] <KillSpammer> I need halp.
#1930 [15:30] <GreyVulpine> No you don't
#1931 [15:30] <KillSpammer> Can't find an aussie minecraft server host.
#1932 [15:30] <KillSpammer> YES I HAVE GOOGLED!
#1933 [15:30] <xales> You think we know?
#1934 [15:30] <mibb> GreyVulpine thank you!!! got my world back!
#1935 [15:30] <KillSpammer> They are all sold out.
#1936 [15:30] <xales> We don't even live in australia
#1937 [15:30] * GreyVulpine nods
#1937 [15:30] <KillSpammer> I don't care.
#1938 [15:30] <DopeGhoti> KillSpammer: sounds like a business opportunity to me.
#1939 [15:31] <KillSpammer> FIND ONE
#1940 [15:31] <Kealper> run one
#1941 [15:31] <aetherian> lol@derp
#1942 [15:31] <Kealper> if you can't find an aussie server, running one could get lots of donations/players
#1943 [15:31] <KillSpammer> Kealper, yeah... if i had the bandwidth and the speed.
#1944 [15:31] <DopeGhoti> "Shop in New Zealand?"
#1945 [15:31] <xales> Kealper: I have perfected my desktop. http://darksigns.net/xales/arch2.jpg
#1946 [15:31] <Kealper> KillSpammer: i mean off a vps/dedi
#1947 [15:32] <Kealper> lol xales
#1948 [15:32] <DopeGhoti> xales: the sizes of your terminal and Minecraft windows should be reversed.
#1949 [15:32] <xales> DopeGhoti: :<
#1950 [15:33] <Mjiig> xales: i'd love to look at it but it won't load...
#1951 [15:33] <xales> Mjiig: O_o
#1952 [15:33] <DopeGhoti> (seriously; how can anyone not recording for streaming/uploading videos not play fullscreen?)
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#1954 [15:34] <xales> DopeGhoti: wut
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#1956 [15:35] <KillSpammer> http://twitter.com/Darkvapour_/statuses/32894869466783745
#1957 [15:35] <KillSpammer> :P
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#1959 [15:37] <Mjiig> xales: connection repeatedly times out
#1960 [15:37] <DopeGhoti> go go gadget network issues.
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#1962 [15:37] <xales> my firewall is a douchebag
#1963 [15:37] <xales> it blocks basically all of asia
#1964 [15:37] <Kealper> lol
#1965 [15:37] <GreyVulpine> Hah
#1966 [15:37] <KillSpammer> Lol
#1967 [15:37] <xales> and you may have gotten some random IP that denyhosts picked up
#1968 [15:38] <xales> (you have NO IDEA how long it took me to find all of Asia's assigned IPs)
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#1970 [15:38] <xales> KillSpammer: Any ping you get from that is not accurate
#1971 [15:38] <GreyVulpine> Did you get the latest batch?
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#1973 [15:38] <xales> GreyVulpine: Auto-updates from several sites
#1974 [15:38] <DopeGhoti> xales: Before I just started adding /16 blocks to my denyhosts, it was getting HUGE from all the SSH script kiddies.
#1975 [15:39] <GreyVulpine> xales - http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9207438/Address_allocation_kicks_off_IPv4_endgame
#1976 [15:39] <KillSpammer> Minecraft needz computerz and firwalls
#1977 [15:39] <KillSpammer> With pigs as the bugs.
#1978 [15:39] <xales> I can't use Webmin to easily manage my firewall, it takes a full minute to load the list of blocked subnets
#1979 [15:39] <GreyVulpine> "As expected, APNIC, the regional Internet registry for Asia, has requested and been assigned two "/8" -- or "slash-8" -- address blocks, each of which contains about 16 million IP addresses. The newly assigned blocks are 39/8 and 106/8...."
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#1981 [15:40] <xales> lol, "slash-8"
#1982 [15:40] <xales> I'll add those
#1983 [15:40] <xales> :>
#1984 [15:40] * DopeGhoti follows @ARPAgeddon.
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#1985 [15:42] <Mjiig> xales: what have you got against people from asia connecting?
#1986 [15:43] <xales> Mjiig: 95% of SSH script-kiddies are in Asia
#1987 [15:43] <xales> I get attacked much less that way
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#1989 [15:44] <DopeGhoti> Mjiig: Nearly all of attempted brute-force logins to my SSH server trace to IPs in China and Russia; with a large portion of the reaminder sourcing from Romania.
#1990 [15:44] <xales> ^that
#1991 [15:44] <Mjiig> fair enough
#1992 [15:44] <Shadow386> why is my question
#1993 [15:44] <Shadow386> they jelly?
#1994 [15:45] <Shadow386> DopeGhoti how long is your password for your ssh? I'm trying to think of a long one to add
#1995 [15:45] <Mjiig> <--does not know anything about sys admin
#1996 [15:45] <DopeGhoti> Shadow386: which one?
#1997 [15:45] <Shadow386> the one that gets bruteforced
#1998 [15:46] <Shadow386> I have a few servers and need to decide on good passwords from now on
#1999 [15:46] <DopeGhoti> Well, root has no SSH access permitted, but that's the one that gets hit the most
#2000 [15:46] <Shadow386> how did you set that up?
#2001 [15:46] <DopeGhoti> Most of my passwords are at least 20 characters, but generally I use public-key authentication.
#2002 [15:46] <Shadow386> hm
#2003 [15:46] <DopeGhoti> Shadow386: /etc/ssh/sshd_config -> PermitRootLogon no
#2004 [15:46] <Shadow386> ahh
#2005 [15:47] <Shadow386> ill have to change that once I get a chance then
#2006 [15:47] <Mjiig> DopeGhoti: what does that do? stop sshers from su or sudo ing?
#2007 [15:47] <Shadow386> su or sudo still workds
#2008 [15:47] <Shadow386> works*
#2009 [15:47] <Shadow386> obv
#2010 [15:47] <Shadow386> but you cant log into root via ssh normally
#2011 [15:47] <DopeGhoti> Mjiig: It makes it such that, even if the account password is known, SSH users cannot login as root.
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#2013 [15:47] <Redskye> xales: Sorry i DC xD
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#2015 [15:48] <Mjiig> so in order to get root by ssh you have to log in as a normal user and then su? i did think it would be weird to block su ing...
#2016 [15:49] <xales> Mjiig: It prevents people from logging into root via SSH, even if they have a key or password that PAM will accept
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#2018 [15:49] <xales> Mjiig: Correct
#2019 [15:49] <DopeGhoti> Actually, root cannot be authenticated to by password either, so su will not work. If I _really_ need a root shell, `sudo -l` or `sudo -s` depending on the environment I need.
#2020 [15:50] <xales> though I have a PAM module loaded so that root cannot be used whatsoever
#2021 [15:50] <xales> if username==root return PAM_AUTH_REJECT or whatever
#2022 [15:50] <xales> only sudo works
#2023 [15:51] <DopeGhoti> xales: My root user has a deliberately invalid hash, so no password will work. The only way to become root is to shell in as a permitted user, and use sudo.
#2024 [15:51] <xales> DopeGhoti: Cheater
#2025 [15:52] <DopeGhoti> How's that?
#2026 [15:52] <xales> PAM is a 'proper' solution :P
#2027 [15:52] <DopeGhoti> "Yes, but if PAM breaks.."
#2028 [15:52] <Mjiig> isn't pam the authentication code?
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#2030 [15:53] <Mjiig> (i'm getting a little bored of displaying my riddiculous ignorance...)
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#2033 [15:54] <DopeGhoti> PAM is a security layer, yes.
#2034 [15:54] <DopeGhoti> I don't recall the expansion off the top of my head.
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#2036 [15:54] <xales> ._.
#2037 [15:55] <xales> wow, lag
#2038 [15:55] <Mjiig> surely if that breaks your totally stuffed, and have bigger problems...
#2039 [15:55] <xales> Pluggable Authentication Mechanism or something
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#2042 [15:58] <xales> lahwran: I can confirm there are issues
#2043 [15:58] <xales> not getting disconnected myself yet though
#2044 [15:58] <Mjiig> module not mechanism
#2045 [15:59] <lahwran> I see
#2046 [16:01] <xales> just some significant lag for a minute
#2047 [16:01] <xales> it seems like aperture to me, but I'm not sure
#2048 [16:02] <lahwran> well right now my problem is that my znc's flood control doesn't seem to be enough to keep me from getting kicked on join
#2049 [16:02] <xales> lol!
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#2052 [16:08] <elmo> Servers are down? D:
#2053 [16:11] <xales> yup
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#2058 [16:13] <Guest1390139364> minecraft down?
#2059 [16:14] <GreyVulpine> !isdown minecraft.net
#2060 [16:14] <crickets> GreyVulpine: It's just you. http://minecraft.net is up.
#2061 [16:14] <Guest1390139364> i cant log in the game
#2062 [16:14] <DopeGhoti> what happens when you try?
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#2064 [16:14] <feenyx> does anyone log this channel? There was a screenshot in here a few days back, with a very modded version of Win98 running, tweaked and skinned beyond recognition?
#2065 [16:15] <GreyVulpine> feenyx - Do you remember anything specifc?
#2066 [16:15] <Guest1390139364> cant connect to minecraft.net
#2067 [16:15] <feenyx> GreyVulpine: just that the guy had issues with MC since he couldn't get the last version of Java, or something to that effect
#2068 [16:16] <GreyVulpine> Um
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#2070 [16:17] <xales> feenyx: I'll look
#2071 [16:17] <Mjiig> is crickets a bot?
#2072 [16:18] <xales> http://pixelbanane.de/yafu/2429176240/Clipboard01.jpg
#2073 [16:18] <feenyx> no idea. It would be an awesome name for a bot though
#2074 [16:18] <xales> there you go
#2075 [16:18] <feenyx> that's the one, thanks a bunch, xales :)
#2076 [16:18] <xales> no problem
#2077 [16:19] <GreyVulpine> !ping
#2078 [16:19] <crickets> GreyVulpine Your Ping time was 0.38 Seconds.
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#2082 [16:25] <statik> No delay today?
#2083 [16:25] <statik> !ping
#2084 [16:25] <crickets> statik Your Ping time was 0.591 Seconds.
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#2086 [16:30] <xales> !ping
#2087 [16:30] <crickets> xales Your Ping time was 3.355 Seconds.
#2088 [16:30] <xales> !enable
#2089 [16:30] <xales> \o/
#2090 [16:30] <woder22> !ping
#2091 [16:30] <crickets> woder22 Your Ping time was 0.39 Seconds.
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#2093 [16:31] <statik> !paid staquix
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#2095 [16:36] <woder22> !paid woder22
#2096 [16:36] <GuluGulu> supppp
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#2098 [16:36] <GuluGulu> back fromwork and i am wroking on my first skin :)
#2099 [16:38] <GuluGulu> perfect and minecraft site seems is not loading
#2100 [16:38] <woder22> !paid woder223
#2101 [16:38] <woder22> i thimk MC.net is down
#2102 [16:39] <GuluGulu> seems up but very slow
#2103 [16:39] <Mjiig> !ping
#2104 [16:39] <crickets> Mjiig Your Ping time was 3.405 Seconds.
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#2106 [16:40] <KarlOrff> Plz someone I just bought minecraft beta, I want to play multiplayer but I don't know any server ips
#2107 [16:40] <KarlOrff> can someone tell me where I can find a server list
#2108 [16:40] <KarlOrff> plz
#2109 [16:41] <GreyVulpine> http://mcserverlist.net/
#2110 [16:41] <GreyVulpine> Also http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewforum.php?f=1025
#2111 [16:41] <GreyVulpine> or servers.minecraftforum.net/
#2112 [16:41] <GreyVulpine> http://www.reddit.com/r/mcservers
#2113 [16:41] <KarlOrff> thx a lot GreyVulpine
#2114 [16:41] <GuluGulu> or you can join my quite server :))
#2115 [16:42] <KarlOrff> I'm seeking a french server but english would do it too
#2116 [16:42] <KarlOrff> I'm from canada
#2117 [16:42] <GuluGulu> well the above site you can find many of them with lot's of ppl in it
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#2119 [16:43] <wippler> hey anyone there to help?
#2120 [16:44] <xales> in #minecrafthelp? no
#2121 [16:44] <wippler> when i try 2 log into a server it says "bad login"
#2122 [16:44] <GuluGulu> hmmm skin webpreview is disabled
#2123 [16:44] <wippler> what do?
#2124 [16:44] <xales> wippler: What is your username?
#2125 [16:45] <wippler> anyone?
#2126 [16:45] <wippler> aeyrep00155
#2127 [16:45] <wippler> y?
#2128 [16:45] <xales> just checking that its valid
#2129 [16:45] <wippler> ya it is
#2130 [16:45] <xales> !reinstall
#2131 [16:45] <xales> do that
#2132 [16:45] <wippler> what made it do this?
#2133 [16:46] <xales> I don't know
#2134 [16:46] <wippler> then how do u know i need to do that?
#2135 [16:46] <feenyx> it fixes alot of the common problems, that's how
#2136 [16:48] <wippler> it says to go to C:\Users\\AppData\Roaming on win 7 but i dont have that when i put it in
#2137 [16:48] <xales> do this instead
#2138 [16:48] <feenyx> type %appdata% instead
#2139 [16:48] <xales> yes..that
#2140 [16:48] <feenyx> ninjaed
#2141 [16:49] <wippler> ok ty
#2142 [16:49] <GuluGulu> is there a channel for skinedit application ?
#2143 [16:50] <xales> not to my knowledge
#2144 [16:50] <GuluGulu> got broken preview :S
#2145 [16:50] <xales> best skin editor would be gimp, paint.net, photoshop, etc
#2146 [16:50] <xales> the preview thing on the site doesn't work
#2147 [16:50] <GuluGulu> well i made it on gimp
#2148 [16:50] <GuluGulu> but i want something to loadit and see how it looks
#2149 [16:50] <GuluGulu> website preview is not working nor the skinedit preview
#2150 [16:52] <KarlOrff> anyone have a working server I'd just like to check if this work can't seems to join any maybe they are private
#2151 [16:52] <xales> KarlOrff: Do you get an error when you try to join?
#2152 [16:53] <KarlOrff> connection lost, timed out
#2153 [16:53] <xales> Try smp.shadow-craft.net
#2154 [16:53] <KarlOrff> ok
#2155 [16:53] <KarlOrff> does it usually take long ?
#2156 [16:54] <KarlOrff> got the message : took too long to log in
#2157 [16:54] <xales> KarlOrff: What is your username?
#2158 [16:54] <KarlOrff> KarlOrff
#2159 [16:55] <xales> try again
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#2161 [16:55] <xales> try logging in again*
#2162 [16:55] <KarlOrff> ok
#2163 [16:56] <KarlOrff> ah it works
#2164 [16:56] <KarlOrff> what did you do
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#2167 [16:58] <LatHans> can I give my self colored wool with /give ?
#2168 [16:58] <xales> nope
#2169 [16:59] <LatHans> is it possible to copy paste some areas from different world saves and merge them into one larger world? :P
#2170 [16:59] <xales> not easily
#2171 [17:00] <GreyVulpine> With MCedit, sure
#2172 [17:00] <GreyVulpine> Just takes time
#2173 [17:00] <xales> you can copy between worlds, GreyVulpine?
#2174 [17:00] * GreyVulpine nods
#2174 [17:00] <GreyVulpine> You can export 'schematics' via MCedit
#2175 [17:00] <xales> oh, that
#2176 [17:01] <GuluGulu> can a single played map became a multiplayer one ?
#2177 [17:01] <xales> there is no difference between the single-player and multiplayer level format
#2178 [17:02] <xales> you can just copy it onto a server
#2179 [17:02] <GreyVulpine> So yes.
#2180 [17:02] <GuluGulu> nice ty
#2181 [17:02] <DopeGhoti> Am I the only one thinking of putting together a FAQBot?
#2182 [17:02] <xales> Nope
#2183 [17:02] <GreyVulpine> That idea has been tossed around so many times..
#2184 [17:03] <GreyVulpine> Nothing ever became of it
#2185 [17:03] <DopeGhoti> maybe I'll catch it.
#2186 [17:03] <xales> I was going to write an FAQ on the wiki, but I think FAQbot would be easier
#2187 [17:03] <xales> or better
#2188 [17:03] <GreyVulpine> If you want to spend the time to write and maintain it, feel free.
#2189 [17:03] <xales> I'll run the bot using my software if you want, just write me a list of trigger/question:answer :)
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#2191 [17:05] <GreyVulpine> Maybe a multistaged bot that has a menu via a /notice?
#2192 [17:06] <GreyVulpine> break it down into client vs server issues to start with
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#2194 [17:06] <DopeGhoti> xales: I already have one module written for "what ID is cobble" or "what material is 4" (:
#2195 [17:06] <xales> ok, you go ahead and do it then :>
#2196 [17:07] <xales> also, the bot's nick should be xalesr0x
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#2198 [17:10] <Berly> Anyone know much about updating chipset drivers?
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#2200 [17:11] <GreyVulpine> What about them?
#2201 [17:12] <Berly> Gimme a minute gonna hop on my laptop
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#2204 [17:17] <Raitoningu> Alright, Grey?
#2205 [17:18] <GreyVulpine> Hmm?
#2206 [17:18] <Rait> Im trying to get my friends computer working with minecraft, buti get the Open GL error
#2207 [17:18] <GreyVulpine> Which one?
#2208 [17:18] <Rait> lemme check
#2209 [17:18] <xolotl> GreyVulpine: Oh, you know. THE ERROR.
#2210 [17:19] <GreyVulpine> Oh, that error
#2211 [17:19] <GreyVulpine> Well, you might want to try this solution
#2212 [17:20] <Rait> pastebin.com/1wPrgjy2
#2213 [17:20] <GreyVulpine> Oh, that.
#2214 [17:20] <GreyVulpine> Well, did he try "This can usually be fixed by updating the video card drivers."
#2215 [17:21] <Rait> He has no clue what to do to update, so i'm trying.
#2216 [17:21] * DopeGhoti points at the object of the sentence: "the video card drivers".
#2216 [17:21] <Rait> I've searched for an update but when i find it it doesn't go through cause it says he's got a custom chipset, and it'll likely cause issues if i were to do the update
#2217 [17:21] <LatHans> hm.. I can't give myself dyes with /give either?
#2218 [17:21] <Rait> and i don't know much myself about updating drivers.
#2219 [17:22] <xales> LatHans: Nope
#2220 [17:22] <LatHans> baw
#2221 [17:22] <xales> Rait: What exactly does it say
#2222 [17:22] * GreyVulpine pokes xales at pastebin.com/1wPrgjy2
#2222 [17:22] <xales> Not the error, GreyVulpine
#2223 [17:22] <xales> the thing about the chipset
#2224 [17:22] <GreyVulpine> Ah
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#2226 [17:23] <Rait> pastebin.com/c7DZxGrh
#2227 [17:23] <NewDroidOrder> Hey i have a question for ya'll
#2228 [17:25] <GreyVulpine> Shoot NewDroidOrder
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#2230 [17:26] <lukegb> !ymip
#2231 [17:26] <GreyVulpine> Ah
#2232 [17:26] <lukegb> !myip
#2233 [17:26] <GreyVulpine> Rait - He's on a laptop?
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#2235 [17:26] <Rait> Desktop.
#2236 [17:26] <GreyVulpine> You need to look at his laptop manufacturer's ...
#2237 [17:26] <GreyVulpine> er
#2238 [17:26] <NewDroidOrder> when i go to play its getting hung up and it just says "loading done" doesnt progress any farther
#2239 [17:26] <GreyVulpine> dangit
#2240 [17:26] <Wahrheit> Okay broskis
#2241 [17:26] <Wahrheit> http://pastebin.com/9tg8zHHu
#2242 [17:26] <GreyVulpine> NewDroidOrder.
#2243 [17:27] <GreyVulpine> !reinstall
#2244 [17:27] <Wahrheit> <the fuck is this
#2245 [17:27] <GreyVulpine> follow that
#2246 [17:27] <KarlOrff> do I need an axe to cut wood because in the help video the guy grab wood with it's bare hands which I cannot do
#2247 [17:27] <NewDroidOrder> alright
#2248 [17:27] <Wahrheit> GreyVulpine: http://pastebin.com/9tg8zHHu
#2249 [17:27] <DopeGhoti> Wahrheit: kindly watch your language, there are delicate child-ears here.
#2250 [17:27] <xolotl> KarlOrff: Are you holding the button down or repeatedly pressing?
#2251 [17:27] <NewDroidOrder> im not going to lose my saves right?
#2252 [17:27] <GreyVulpine> if you follow it correctly, no
#2253 [17:27] <Wahrheit> DopeGhoti: Noted
#2254 [17:27] <DopeGhoti> Wahrheit: Danke.
#2255 [17:27] <NewDroidOrder> lol alright
#2256 [17:27] <KarlOrff> lol ok got it
#2257 [17:28] <Wahrheit> However, when every user connecting to my server gets that crash
#2258 [17:28] <KarlOrff> thx xolotl man I am noob
#2259 [17:28] <Wahrheit> I get kinda mad.
#2260 [17:28] <xolotl> KarlOrff: No problem, that happens all the time
#2261 [17:28] <xolotl> KarlOrff: :)
#2262 [17:28] <DopeGhoti> KarlOrff: it's not well-documented.
#2263 [17:28] <Wahrheit> So, anyone?
#2264 [17:29] <xales> Wahrheit: is this on the server?
#2265 [17:29] <Wahrheit> Xales: yup
#2266 [17:29] <xales> any mods?
#2267 [17:29] <Wahrheit> Connect to mc.summaxr.com:27265
#2268 [17:29] <Wahrheit> Plenty
#2269 [17:29] <Wahrheit> plugins=iConomy,BedrockGapInsurance,BigBrother,CreeperNerf,CuboidPlugin,DalaJail,DungeonMaker,GriefAlert,LWC,MCBan,MatchMaking,MultiplayAdmin,StairFixer,Stargate,WorldEdit,WorldGuard,hSpleef,iCShop,iCTrade,iLoveYou,invincibleTools
#2270 [17:30] <xales> I'm going to guess one of those is the issue
#2271 [17:30] <Wahrheit> Corrupting every single use?
#2272 [17:30] <Wahrheit> *user
#2273 [17:30] <xales> Possibly
#2274 [17:30] <Wahrheit> I'll duplicate the profile and remove 'em one by one...
#2275 [17:33] <NewDroidOrder> its weird i get crashes on the downloadable client version, but not on the browser version
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#2277 [17:33] <Wahrheit> update your java?
#2278 [17:34] <NewDroidOrder> should be up to date
#2279 [17:34] <mib_dy8j23> i keep getting a black screen after i log in and it says to update video driver but it is the latest one
#2280 [17:34] <xales> mib_dy8j23: What video card is it?
#2281 [17:35] <Wahrheit> Mmm... I blame iConomy.
#2282 [17:35] <Wahrheit> Try that one first.
#2283 [17:35] <mib_dy8j23> Intel express chipset family
#2284 [17:35] <xales> mib_dy8j23: What model number?
#2285 [17:36] <mib_dy8j23> 82915G/GV/910GL
#2286 [17:36] <xales> yeah...thats the problem
#2287 [17:37] <xales> that card won't run Minecraft, sorry
#2288 [17:38] <mib_dy8j23> it works if i turn down the hardware acceleration but then it is laggy
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#2291 [17:39] <xales> yeah, as I said
#2292 [17:40] <xales> if it runs at all, it won't run very well
#2293 [17:40] <xales> the card is old, and not designed for gaming in the first place
#2294 [17:40] <Wahrheit> xales: Whose fault is End of Stream / 503 error? Mojang or hMod?
#2295 [17:40] <mib_dy8j23> OK just making sure there nothing i can do
#2296 [17:40] <Rait> Any solutions to my problem?
#2297 [17:40] <GreyVulpine> That would either be your server, your computer's NIC, or a client's NIC Wahrheit
#2298 [17:41] <xales> Wahrheit: Mojang, most likely. Minecraft.net is having issues right now, so if it worked in the past, that's likely it
#2299 [17:41] <Wahrheit> Aha
#2300 [17:41] <Wahrheit> well, hopefully anywho
#2301 [17:41] <xales> mib_dy8j23: You could buy a new computer or get a better video card
#2302 [17:41] <xales> Rait: What specifically did it say when you tried to update the drivers
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#2304 [17:42] <Rait> pastebin.com/c7DZxGrh
#2305 [17:42] <mib_dy8j23> it was 6.14.10.2040 I updated it to 6.14.10.4543
#2306 [17:43] <GreyVulpine> Rait - Did you check the computer manufacturer's website?
#2307 [17:43] <GreyVulpine> Instead of intels?
#2308 [17:43] <mib_dy8j23> that is were i got the newer update from
#2309 [17:43] <xales> mib_dy8j23: I don't think he is talking to you
#2310 [17:43] <xales> mib_dy8j23: The card physically can't run it properly - there is nothing that can be done but replacing it
#2311 [17:44] <Rait> Grey: the computers been customized majorly, it wasn't his computer to start out with, so how do i check that again?
#2312 [17:45] <mib_dy8j23> OK thanks
#2313 [17:45] <xales> Rait: It should be obvious, they like to advertise themselves a lot. Look on the case
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#2315 [17:45] <Rait> xD, that i noticed, dell.
#2316 [17:46] <Rait> But idk if everything inside that case is what the case says.
#2317 [17:46] <xales> If you are getting that error, then you should get the driver from Dell
#2318 [17:46] <xales> because the card is very likely the same
#2319 [17:46] <Rait> I'll try that then
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#2322 [17:53] <Lampshade> Hey Guys'
#2323 [17:54] <Rait> Xales: If something does go wrong, is it easy enough to roll back the driver?
#2324 [17:54] <xales> Rait: Very
#2325 [17:54] <Lampshade> Is the Site down for you guys?
#2326 [17:55] <GreyVulpine> !isdown minecraft.net
#2327 [17:55] <crickets> GreyVulpine: It's not just you! http://minecraft.net looks down from here.
#2328 [17:55] <Lampshade> Thanks
#2329 [17:55] <Lampshade> No Eta as usual?
#2330 [17:55] <Cial> "soon"
#2331 [17:55] <Lampshade> Soon?
#2332 [17:55] <GreyVulpine> Indeed
#2333 [17:56] <Cial> * see valve time chart
#2334 [17:56] <GreyVulpine> "Soon"™
#2335 [17:56] <Lampshade> Ih God
#2336 [17:56] <Lampshade> Oh*
#2337 [17:56] <Lampshade> Valve? Time chart
#2338 [17:56] <Lampshade> I might as well wait a few years
#2339 [17:57] <Rait> Xales: ok, i started the update, and it's on the installation, but it's saying that the version i have is newer then the one i'm about to install?
#2340 [17:57] <xales> O_o
#2341 [17:57] <xales> do you know what model of card it is?
#2342 [17:58] <Rait> 82945G
#2343 [17:58] <Rait> express chipset amily
#2344 [17:58] <Rait> family*
#2345 [17:58] <Lampshade> !isdown minecraft.net
#2346 [17:58] <Lampshade> !isdown minecraft.net
#2347 [17:58] <crickets> Lampshade: It's just you. http://minecraft.net is up.
#2348 [17:58] <Lampshade> Yay!
#2349 [18:01] <Rait> How can i find what model the desktop itself is?
#2350 [18:01] <Rait> i found it's and Optiplex
#2351 [18:01] <Rait> nevermind, found it
#2352 [18:02] <Wahrheit> xales: Still hasn't fixed yet
#2353 [18:02] <Wahrheit> :/
#2354 [18:02] <xales> Rait: That won't run Minecraft, it sounds far too old
#2355 [18:02] <xales> Optiplexes are old, that graphics card is very old
#2356 [18:03] <Rait> It can play most games and stuff fairly well though.
#2357 [18:03] <Rait> And would it matter if there's more then one chipset in it?
#2358 [18:03] <mbentley> not all optiplexes are that old
#2359 [18:04] <xales> mbentley: Even so, that card is pretty old
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#2361 [18:04] <mbentley> yeah
#2362 [18:05] <mbentley> it depends on what number optiplex it is :)
#2363 [18:05] <Rait> Yea, and it's up to it's lastest update.
#2364 [18:05] <xales> Rait: If it is up to date and OpenGL won't initialize
#2365 [18:05] <xales> I really doubt it could run Minecraft even if it supported the proper OpenGL
#2366 [18:08] <Rait> Ah well, thanks for helping out.
#2367 [18:08] <xales> No problem, sorry that it won't work =/
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#2369 [18:09] <Rait> Oh. I decided to try it in the broswer, and it at least let's my click on singleplayer.
#2370 [18:09] <Rait> Well that works, but of course, it's lag hell.
#2371 [18:09] <mbentley> might try to drop all of the settings to the lowest
#2372 [18:10] <Rait> Heh, veiw distance tiny, and graphics on fast. still laggy. Oh well, guess it is an old card.
#2373 [18:11] <mbentley> :)
#2374 [18:11] <GreyVulpine> http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/ikonboard.cgi?s=8a1142f3736db65757d9dd686dee95f0;act=ST;f=30;t=26275
#2375 [18:11] <GreyVulpine> Neat.
#2376 [18:12] <Rait> Man, if my computer was like that i'd flip, well thanks again, ima get off for awhile.
#2377 [18:12] * Rait waves
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#2378 [18:12] <mbentley> lol wow GreyVulpine
#2379 [18:12] <Rait> isn't it /nick to change your name?
#2380 [18:12] <GreyVulpine> Yes Rait
#2381 [18:12] <Rait> or is there an afk command?
#2382 [18:13] <mbentley> nope
#2383 [18:13] <Rait> O_o Erroneous Nickname?
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#2385 [18:14] <Rait> Meh.
#2386 [18:14] * Rait Is AFK.
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#2388 [18:17] <GotPho28> I was wondering, how do I make my own minecraft map
#2389 [18:18] <xales> What do you mean?
#2390 [18:19] <GotPho28> like to make a story mode kinda
#2391 [18:20] <xales> You would just play Minecraft...what do you mean?
#2392 [18:20] <xales> All of what you do in Minecraft is changing the map
#2393 [18:21] <GuluGulu> i guess he wonna do something like a rpg map
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#2395 [18:21] <xales> So...make it. Place signs, make stuff with materials, etc. Just like you play the game any other way
#2396 [18:22] <Atom138> Im swearing off mods
#2397 [18:22] <Atom138> 100%
#2398 [18:22] <GotPho28> well
#2399 [18:22] <exp0> I hate being stuck with SMP
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#2401 [18:23] <GotPho28> there are ones where they make things indestructible
#2402 [18:23] <GotPho28> so when you break it it comes back
#2403 [18:23] <xales> That is a mod, probably a server mod
#2404 [18:23] <aetherian> I think he meant like mcedit or whatever it's calles
#2405 [18:23] <GotPho28> and being able to change the spawn point to the beginning of story
#2406 [18:23] <aetherian> like skylands
#2407 [18:24] * GreyVulpine shakes
#2407 [18:24] <GreyVulpine> WorldGuard and such
#2408 [18:24] <GreyVulpine> And other RPG mods
#2409 [18:24] <GotPho28> hm
#2410 [18:24] <GuluGulu> yeah mcedit is what you need to create the map and some mods
#2411 [18:24] <GotPho28> so i would need multiple mods?
#2412 [18:24] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#2413 [18:25] <xales> They are server mods as well, they won't work in single player
#2414 [18:25] <GotPho28> uh
#2415 [18:25] <GotPho28> cant you carry over your single player map to multiplayer?
#2416 [18:25] <GuluGulu> yes
#2417 [18:25] <GuluGulu> :P
#2418 [18:25] <xales> You can, but that is only the map
#2419 [18:26] <xales> not any attributes applied to it by mods
#2420 [18:26] <xales> The mods only run within the server software - you can't get them to work in single player
#2421 [18:26] <GotPho28> hm
#2422 [18:26] <GotPho28> well
#2423 [18:26] <GotPho28> is there a program i can use to create a rpg map that is compat with current version?
#2424 [18:27] <xales> Once again, what you are looking for is provided by mods, not third party programs
#2425 [18:27] <xales> You can use MCEdit, but it does not make things indestructable
#2426 [18:28] <xales> or any other RPG-like things
#2427 [18:28] <xales> all it does is let you change the type of each block
#2428 [18:29] <GuluGulu> if it's within friends you can just make the story with sign's
#2429 [18:29] * xales goes afk for food
#2429 [18:29] <GotPho28> uh
#2430 [18:29] <GotPho28> well
#2431 [18:29] <GotPho28> i keep looking for mcedit
#2432 [18:29] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, food sounds good about now
#2433 [18:29] <GotPho28> but i only find alpha ones
#2434 [18:29] <GreyVulpine> MCedit supports beta maps
#2435 [18:30] <GreyVulpine> http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?t=15522
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#2437 [18:33] <exp0> malformed input is aggrevating
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#2442 [18:39] <GuluGulu> time to make a watch tower in my vilage :)
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#2444 [18:43] <GotPho28> is there a mod to just give your character unlim resources and build it off that cause im too lazy to learn mcedit lol
#2445 [18:43] <gretchen> lol mcadmin
#2446 [18:43] <gretchen> create your own server
#2447 [18:44] <GotPho28> ok
#2448 [18:44] <GotPho28> cool
#2449 [18:44] <gretchen> hey I got a problem with my minecraft, when i log in it just stop at a black screen and on the browsers it just dont want to patch until the end and freeze there :(
#2450 [18:44] <GotPho28> could you possibly link me mcadmin? if that is an actual mod :P
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#2452 [18:45] <gretchen> ok
#2453 [18:45] <gretchen> well just google it :P
#2454 [18:45] <gretchen> they have a tuto on youtube to show you how it work
#2455 [18:46] <GreyVulpine> Bleh, mcadmin has a.. reputation
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#2457 [18:46] <GreyVulpine> Just make yourself an op, and /give yourself resources
#2458 [18:47] <GreyVulpine> (if you're on multiplayer)
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#2460 [18:47] <gretchen> someone know the anwser to my question :( ?
#2461 [18:47] <GreyVulpine> On single player, use InvEdit
#2462 [18:47] <GreyVulpine> gretchen - Try...
#2463 [18:47] <GreyVulpine> !reinstall
#2464 [18:47] <Jackson413> hey can i get some help with irc in general
#2465 [18:47] <GreyVulpine> Jackson413 - What about it?
#2466 [18:48] <AmonT> https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=opengl+end+user+software+download+&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a Should I mess with this to open OpenGL for my computer?
#2467 [18:48] <GreyVulpine> AmonT - OpenGL is usually not a seperate download. You'll need to use your video card manufacturer to update OpenGL
#2468 [18:48] <Ruggsy[]Umb[]> Today my minecraft got a black screen and wasnt connecting so i saved my files, deleted the rest and reinstalled, now when i try to log on (and i can still log onto the website) it says "failed to connect" and i cant play offline because it is the first time im logging on this client
#2469 [18:49] <GreyVulpine> Ruggsy[]Umb[] - Minecraft.net has been going up and down all day today
#2470 [18:49] <GreyVulpine> Just keep at it
#2471 [18:49] <Ruggsy[]Umb[]> ok
#2472 [18:49] <Ruggsy[]Umb[]> i had a feeling that that was it, but i couldnt find anything anywhere from today talking about minecraft.net being the problem
#2473 [18:50] <fogwraith> Good god... definately need to check who can use worldedit commands ;/
#2474 [18:50] <AmonT> @GreyVulpine That's my problem in essence. My gfx card doesn't have OpenGL implemented and finding OpenGL on their website is hard
#2475 [18:50] <fogwraith> "trusted": /drain LOTSOFGODDAMNRADIUS!!!
#2476 [18:51] <AmonT> BTW, it's ATI Radeon Express 1300
#2477 [18:51] <Ruggsy[]Umb[]> The only thing that was weird to me was that it started happening RIGHT after i reinstalled minecraft for the first time, when it was working great all morning
#2478 [18:51] <GreyVulpine> AmonT - If your video card doesn't support OpenGL on the hardware side, there's nothing you can do
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#2480 [18:54] <AmonT> Ah, thanks anyways. Also, I'm happy someone is able put up with all our problems. You make gamers proud everywhere (sorry, my English is basically self-taught)
#2481 [18:54] <GreyVulpine> That's what we're here for.
#2482 [18:54] <AmonT> :)
#2483 [18:55] <Ruggsy[]Umb[]> this would be so much better if i could actually play offline
#2484 [18:55] <Ruggsy[]Umb[]> >.>
#2485 [18:56] <GotPho28> grey, i tried giving myself items with op.txt but it isnt working :/
#2486 [18:56] <AmonT> A simple yes or no question to add to my problem: Should I avoid trying to emulate OpenGL? My understanding of computing is barely above average if that helps (google is my 'friend')
#2487 [18:56] <GreyVulpine> GotPho28 - Did you reboot the server after adding your name to ops.txt?
#2488 [18:57] <GreyVulpine> AmonT - Yes, you should avoid that.
#2489 [18:57] <AmonT> ...(and IRC)
#2490 [18:58] <GotPho28> i should do that :P
#2491 [18:58] <AmonT> Ok. Just talked with a salesman for a large Scandinavian electonic shop (or store, I get confused with British-English and American-English) and he insisted OpenGL was possible to dl
#2492 [18:58] <fogwraith> Shouldn't be needed though
#2493 [19:00] <fogwraith> Interesting... my smp server is using 20% cpu ... while idle
#2494 [19:01] <Ruggsy[]Umb[]> GreyVulpine when you say minecraft.net this would be resulting on my minecraft not being able to connect and download the files, even though i can log onto the website?
#2495 [19:01] <Ruggsy[]Umb[]> say minecraft.net is down, this*
#2496 [19:01] <GreyVulpine> Yes, minecraft.net has been going up and down all day, when it's down, it also affects logins
#2497 [19:02] <Ruggsy[]Umb[]> oh ok thanks :D
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#2503 [19:25] <GuluGulu> gn
#2504 [19:27] <Jackson413> grey vulpine you there?
#2505 [19:27] <GreyVulpine> Yes?
#2506 [19:28] <Jackson413> pm me
#2507 [19:28] <Ruggsy[]Umb[]> lol
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#2512 [19:41] <hermit> I need help
#2513 [19:41] <Ruggsy[]Umb[]> with
#2514 [19:41] <xxflonnexx> Need a bit of help aswell..
#2515 [19:41] <hermit> Minecraft keeps crashing randomly and when I log back in there is some current saved game info garbled with old states of the world
#2516 [19:41] <hermit> it's doing it about every time I play
#2517 [19:42] <xxflonnexx> For me.. I get this error with client.. browser works fine.. tried updating java.. tried uninstalling java and reinstalling.. and deleting everything minecraft and re downloading.. http://pastebin.com/eMudFVwN
#2518 [19:43] <hermit> what I mean is I will mine out a section of something, gather the materials, then it will crash, when I get back in either the items I mined out are gone, yet the section I mined will still be mined out, or the opposite, I will mine things out, get the materials, crash, then come back to having the mats, but the section is reset
#2519 [19:43] <Arkose> xxflonnexx: the error indicates an issue with your ATI driver. Have you tried updating that?
#2520 [19:44] <hermit> no, I just did a fresh install of windows 7 with a new graphics card
#2521 [19:44] <xxflonnexx> Not reccently, but I'm not exactually sure how.. Last time I tried to update it it said it was reccent
#2522 [19:44] <xxflonnexx> Do I have to use the catlayst control center thing that came with it?
#2523 [19:44] <hermit> oh nvm that wasn't to me
#2524 [19:44] <Arkose> the control center isn't required.
#2525 [19:44] <xxflonnexx> Also.. would have me changing my region settings have anything to do with it?
#2526 [19:45] <Arkose> this is a rendering error, so I'd try the driver update first.
#2527 [19:45] <Arkose> the latest version is here: http://sites.amd.com/us/game/downloads/Pages/downloads.aspx
#2528 [19:45] <xxflonnexx> Alright
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#2530 [19:46] <xxflonnexx> Well.. Also I played minecraft just fine a few months ago with outupdating my graphics card..
#2531 [19:47] <Ruggsy[]Umb[]> GreyVulpine ive been trying every 10 minutes for the last 3 hours, i feel like there is a different problem
#2532 [19:47] <Ruggsy[]Umb[]> is the .minecraft folder the only place things are kept?
#2533 [19:48] <GreyVulpine> Ruggsy[]Umb[] - Yes
#2534 [19:55] <Diablothein> Damn new Facebook profile, making it harder to nuke one's wall using a macro.
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#2537 [19:56] <DopeGhoti> Diablothein: I'd probably think that anything that increases the difficulty of "nuking" is A Good Thing.
#2538 [19:57] <exp0> I feel sad stuck in single player
#2539 [19:58] <Ruggsy[]Umb[]> GreyVulpine
#2540 [19:58] <Ruggsy[]Umb[]> i had the wrong password
#2541 [19:58] <Ruggsy[]Umb[]> new suggestion to notch: have a different error for wrong password
#2542 [19:58] <exp0> lol
#2543 [19:59] <Diablothein> DG, nope, I'm nuking my facebook wall, and because of the new profile, I have to create separate macros to do so.
#2544 [20:05] <xENO_> Ok, non-technical question here:
#2545 [20:05] <xENO_> Does cactus autoharvesting still work like it used to?
#2546 [20:05] <DopeGhoti> define autoharvesting
#2547 [20:05] <xENO_> The...
#2548 [20:05] <xENO_> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Tutorials/Cactus_Farming << The second part of this article.
#2549 [20:07] <DopeGhoti> hmm, not sure
#2550 [20:07] <xENO_> ah, nevermind.
#2551 [20:07] <xENO_> there it oges.
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#2553 [20:07] <xENO_> Apparently, they don't grow in the dark.
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#2560 [20:24] <Balduron04> hello
#2561 [20:26] <Balduron04> my friend was working on setting up a server, and I tried logging in. I kept getting kicked because i wont "log in
#2562 [20:34] <GreyVulpine> Balduron04 - You there?
#2563 [20:34] <Balduron04> i'm here
#2564 [20:35] <Balduron04> have you heard of this problem before?
#2565 [20:35] <GreyVulpine> Are you trying to set up a beta server?
#2566 [20:35] <Balduron04> uncertain
#2567 [20:36] <Balduron04> its the download from minecraft.net
#2568 [20:36] <Balduron04> off of the multiplayer server software page
#2569 [20:36] <Balduron04> could it be the alpha version and its erroring my beta client?
#2570 [20:37] <GreyVulpine> What file are you executing to start the server?
#2571 [20:37] <GreyVulpine> Start server.bat?
#2572 [20:37] <GreyVulpine> Or minecraft_server
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#2574 [20:38] <Balduron04> minecraft_server.exe
#2575 [20:38] <GreyVulpine> You're sure about that.
#2576 [20:38] <xENO_> not the .jar?
#2577 [20:38] <Balduron04> positive
#2578 [20:39] <xales> What username are you trying to connect with?
#2579 [20:39] <GreyVulpine> What is the exact error that you get on the server's console?
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#2581 [20:39] <Balduron04> there is not one from the server console
#2582 [20:39] <Balduron04> it says Player needs to log in
#2583 [20:39] <Balduron04> and then, kicking player(failure to log in)
#2584 [20:40] <xENO_> Erm
#2585 [20:40] <xENO_> Are you actually logging the client in to minecraft, or are you trying to do this in offline mode?
#2586 [20:40] <xales> That sounds like a Classic server...
#2587 [20:40] <xENO_> Or is this classic?
#2588 [20:40] <Balduron04> we were trying to get a beta server
#2589 [20:40] <xales> Balduron04: What username are you using to log into Minecraft
#2590 [20:40] <Balduron04> is there a place we can get one?
#2591 [20:40] <Balduron04> i'm using the minecraft.exe
#2592 [20:40] <GreyVulpine> Balduron04 - You got the server file from http://www.minecraft.net/download.jsp ?
#2593 [20:41] <Balduron04> yes we did.
#2594 [20:41] <xales> Balduron04: username
#2595 [20:41] <xales> what username are you loggin in with?
#2596 [20:42] * xales waits
#2596 [20:42] <xENO_> So, in the Beta, how common is it to have basically zero farm animal spawns for an entire day near the player, on the surface, in a grassy area?
#2597 [20:42] <Balduron04> i dont understand the question
#2598 [20:42] <xales> Balduron04: What is your username for Minecraft?
#2599 [20:42] <Balduron04> Balduron04
#2600 [20:42] <Balduron04> same as here.
#2601 [20:42] <xales> are you using 'Offline Mode' when you log in?
#2602 [20:43] <Balduron04> no i am not.
#2603 [20:43] <Balduron04> ok, we've got a "failed to bind to port" from the server console...
#2604 [20:43] <xENO_> ok, you still have a server running, and you're starting another one.
#2605 [20:43] <GreyVulpine> Could you copy the contents of server.properties to pastebin.com?
#2606 [20:43] <Balduron04> o.o
#2607 [20:44] <Balduron04> hold on, lemme get the server host in here too
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#2609 [20:45] <Balduron04> he's actually in a different house and i'm trying to connect to him
#2610 [20:46] <mib_lszmuj> Hi
#2611 [20:46] <xales> mib_lszmuj: Hello
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#2613 [20:46] <iceflamer> can someone help me?
#2614 [20:46] <GreyVulpine> With
#2615 [20:47] <iceflamer> My server root directory
#2616 [20:47] <iceflamer> When i add plugins etc.
#2617 [20:47] <GreyVulpine> What about it?
#2618 [20:47] <iceflamer> they never actually get into my server
#2619 [20:47] <iceflamer> Someone actually started helping me
#2620 [20:47] <xENO_> plugins?
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#2622 [20:47] <iceflamer> by using SSH (i use a dedicated server by a server hoster)
#2623 [20:47] <iceflamer> but he left.
#2624 [20:48] <iceflamer> So now im stuck with a root directory that doesnt work.
#2625 [20:48] <fcooly669> here is a copy of my server file
#2626 [20:48] <fcooly669> #Minecraft server properties #Wed Feb 02 19:39:57 CST 2011 level-name=world hellworld=false spawn-monsters=true online-mode=true spawn-animals=true max-players=20 server-ip= pvp=true server-port=25565
#2627 [20:48] <iceflamer> Help :(?
#2628 [20:48] <Balduron04> fcooly669 is the guy i'm helping test things
#2629 [20:48] <Balduron04> we're trying to get it working (i hope)
#2630 [20:48] <iceflamer> Anyone help me :(?
#2631 [20:48] <GreyVulpine> iceflamer - We don't actually provide support for mods here, you might want to check out #bukkit
#2632 [20:48] <fcooly669> i currently have no server opend but says i do
#2633 [20:48] <iceflamer> Oh ok...
#2634 [20:49] <GreyVulpine> fcooly669 - What operating system are you running?
#2635 [20:49] <fcooly669> win xp
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#2637 [20:49] <GreyVulpine> fcooly669 - press ctrl+shift+esc to bring up the task manager
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#2639 [20:50] <GreyVulpine> Look in the processes list, end all the java/javaw.exe processes
#2640 [20:50] <fcooly669> okay
#2641 [20:50] <fcooly669> done
#2642 [20:50] <GreyVulpine> Try running the server again fcooly669
#2643 [20:51] <Balduron04> he said its up, so i'm logging in
#2644 [20:51] <Balduron04> I SEE LAND!
#2645 [20:51] <fcooly669> yay
#2646 [20:52] <fcooly669> he found a cactus
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#2648 [20:52] <WGresh> hello
#2649 [20:52] <GreyVulpine> 'lo
#2650 [20:52] <WGresh> howhow do i play online?
#2651 [20:52] <GreyVulpine> What do you mean?
#2652 [20:53] <WGresh> like, do i have to connect to someones ip address?
#2653 [20:53] <Arkose> WGresh: copy and paste a server address into the multiplayer box thing
#2654 [20:53] <WGresh> can i make my own online game?
#2655 [20:53] <WGresh> where do i find a server address, i guess thats what im asking.
#2656 [20:53] <Balduron04> alright, thanks for your help greyvulpine
#2657 [20:53] <Arkose> WGresh: try here: http://mcserverlist.net
#2658 [20:53] <WGresh> tah
#2659 [20:53] <WGresh> thanks*
#2660 [20:54] <Arkose> Minecraft servers are typically persistent; there's no peer-to-peer-style connection like in some games.
#2661 [20:54] <Arkose> you can certainly pick a server and meet up with your friends there, of course.
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#2663 [20:55] <WGresh> cool
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#2670 [21:17] <mib_fzzmn8> hiy
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#2672 [21:17] <xales> hello
#2673 [21:19] <relsqui> hmm. I came by to see if this channel was more interesting than plain old #minecraft, and I'm still on the fence. :)
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#2675 [21:20] <relsqui> is it appropriate to ask questions about the skin editor here (which haven't yet been answered on the forum)?
#2676 [21:20] <GreyVulpine> We really don't provide support for third party software/mods here.
#2677 [21:20] <GreyVulpine> Feel free to ask them, just know that not a whole lot of people here might use it
#2678 [21:21] <relsqui> yeah, that's basically all I expected
#2679 [21:21] <relsqui> not "these guys are here to fix this" but "someone might have had the same problem"
#2680 [21:21] <GreyVulpine> Don't get me wrong, give me a person who needs to help troubleshoot why minecraft doesn't work, or help somebody through setting up a server, and I'll take it as a challenge.
#2681 [21:21] * relsqui grins
#2681 [21:22] <SkiingPenguins> there is a skin editor?
#2682 [21:22] <GreyVulpine> Yes, SkinEdit
#2683 [21:22] <relsqui> in theory there is. googling mcskinedit will drop you in the topic
#2684 [21:22] <SkiingPenguins> *facepalm* i been using gimp for that
#2685 [21:22] <relsqui> I'd be interested in whether you can get it to run; I haven't yet
#2686 [21:22] <relsqui> yeah, I think that's where I'll end up :|
#2687 [21:22] <relsqui> but I'm sick of looking like everybody else!
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#2689 [21:25] * relsqui skims through five pages of people asking the same question which is answered in the original post
#2689 [21:25] <GreyVulpine> relsqui - I guess, could you tell me why you can't run it?
#2690 [21:25] <SkiingPenguins> seems to work for me, relsqui i'm on win7 32-bit ultimate
#2691 [21:26] <relsqui> GreyVulpine: well, I can't tell you *why* yet, but what happens when I try is nothing visible--a java process starts, I can see it in the task manager, but no window appears for it
#2692 [21:27] <relsqui> if I don't have the previewer jar downloaded in that folder yet, and I give it a bad URL to download it from, it'll try to do that, fail, then skip it an dload the program without the previewer functionality
#2693 [21:27] <relsqui> but in any other case it just doesn't come up at all
#2694 [21:27] <GreyVulpine> relsqui - Did you double click on the .jar or run it in a command prompt?
#2695 [21:27] <SkiingPenguins> relsqui you have to download the previewer called skintest.jar not skintest2.jar
#2696 [21:27] <relsqui> huh.
#2697 [21:28] <SkiingPenguins> where it pops up that it cant get the previewer.. edit the url and say skintest.jar not skintest2.jar
#2698 [21:28] <SkiingPenguins> thats what i did and it worked
#2699 [21:28] <relsqui> well, I know the default URL is wrong
#2700 [21:28] <relsqui> skintest.jar is probably an older version.
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#2702 [21:29] <relsqui> but I already have that file :)
#2703 [21:29] <relsqui> I just did it as you said and I get the same problem
#2704 [21:29] <relsqui> it grabs the file, starts a java process, and shows me nothing
#2705 [21:29] <SkiingPenguins> that's odd
#2706 [21:29] <relsqui> a couple other people have mentioned it on the forum, I'm skimming posts since the most recent update to see if there's been any comment from the dev
#2707 [21:30] <relsqui> GreyVulpine: clicking, but it's opening in java, has permits in its directory, etc.
#2708 [21:30] <relsqui> well. I suppose I'm only mostly sure it has permits in its directory. but I don't know why it wouldn't, it's just a folder on the desktop.
#2709 [21:30] <relsqui> (not very familiar with windows permissions)
#2710 [21:30] <GreyVulpine> I just got Alpha 3 pre 5, and it's working here
#2711 [21:31] <GreyVulpine> Vista laptop
#2712 [21:31] <relsqui> dagnabbit
#2713 [21:31] <relsqui> I'll keep trying, thanks :)
#2714 [21:31] <GreyVulpine> Can you do java -version in your command prompt?
#2715 [21:32] <relsqui> lol, this is my favorite reply so far: "Doesn't Work on my OS, I have a Mac with an Intel Processor. Every time i double click the jar it pulls up an error message with a bunch of random code."
#2716 [21:32] <relsqui> awesome bug report
#2717 [21:32] <relsqui> GreyVulpine: sure, sec
#2718 [21:32] <relsqui> (I updated Java earlier today, so it should be up to date, but I'll be interested to see if it's not)
#2719 [21:33] <GreyVulpine> (also if java is in your %path%)
#2720 [21:33] <relsqui> right
#2721 [21:33] <relsqui> eenteresting
#2722 [21:33] <GreyVulpine> ?
#2723 [21:33] <relsqui> java.com says I have java 6, and "also old versions" which I should remove
#2724 [21:33] <relsqui> cmd says:
#2725 [21:34] <relsqui> blah, don't know how to copy out of it. but cmd says 1.6.0_23
#2726 [21:34] * relsqui clicks through for instructions to remove old versions
#2726 [21:35] <GreyVulpine> That should be the latest then.
#2727 [21:35] <relsqui> I believe you. I wouldn't have read that and thought "I have version 6," though. :)
#2728 [21:39] <relsqui> hokay. only latest version remains. gonna make sure I've explicitly told windows that's what I want that jar opened with.
#2729 [21:39] <LatHans> my minecraft server crashed, and when I try to start it now, it just crashes as if the world files has been corrupted... is there any way to fix it, or is the world broken?
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#2731 [21:39] <Pancakes11> hai
#2732 [21:39] <Pancakes11> anyone mine giving me a bit of assistance?
#2733 [21:39] <GreyVulpine> With?
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#2736 [21:40] <Pancakes11> my game
#2737 [21:40] <Pancakes11> says "Login Failed"
#2738 [21:40] <Pancakes11> no matter what
#2739 [21:40] <Pancakes11> plus i went into .minecraft
#2740 [21:40] <Pancakes11> and it was completely empty
#2741 [21:40] <GreyVulpine> LatHans - It's possible, you might need to open it up in a map editor, save it again
#2742 [21:40] <Pancakes11> nothing
#2743 [21:40] <Pancakes11> not even .bin
#2744 [21:40] <GreyVulpine> LatHans - I recommend MCedit
#2745 [21:41] <LatHans> GreyVulpine: thanks, I'll try that
#2746 [21:41] <GreyVulpine> Pancakes11 - Can you connect to minecraft.net?
#2747 [21:41] <Pancakes11> the site?
#2748 [21:41] <GreyVulpine> yes
#2749 [21:41] <Pancakes11> yes
#2750 [21:41] <Pancakes11> i can
#2751 [21:41] <Pancakes11> the game files are COMPLETELY empty
#2752 [21:41] <GreyVulpine> And you can log in, correct?
#2753 [21:41] <Pancakes11> no
#2754 [21:41] <Pancakes11> i cant even log in
#2755 [21:41] <GreyVulpine> To the site?
#2756 [21:41] <Pancakes11> to the site, yes
#2757 [21:41] <Pancakes11> wait
#2758 [21:41] <Pancakes11> no
#2759 [21:41] <Pancakes11> i cant
#2760 [21:42] <Pancakes11> login failed
#2761 [21:42] <Pancakes11> what is this
#2762 [21:42] <GreyVulpine> Then you're either using the wrong credentials, or you forgot something
#2763 [21:42] <Pancakes11> or i got hacked?
#2764 [21:42] <Pancakes11> :/
#2765 [21:42] <GreyVulpine> Can you use the site's password recovery.
#2766 [21:43] <Pancakes11> yes
#2767 [21:43] <Pancakes11> trying now
#2768 [21:43] <Pancakes11> okayt
#2769 [21:43] <Pancakes11> so
#2770 [21:43] <Pancakes11> the password is changed
#2771 [21:44] <Pancakes11> allow me to try this
#2772 [21:44] <Pancakes11> woo
#2773 [21:44] <Pancakes11> apparently someone was screwing with my account
#2774 [21:44] <GreyVulpine> Hmm
#2775 [21:44] <Pancakes11> fixed though
#2776 [21:44] <GreyVulpine> That's not cool.
#2777 [21:44] <Pancakes11> yeah
#2778 [21:44] <Pancakes11> i used to share with a friend who has an affinity for screwing with people he doesnt like
#2779 [21:44] <Pancakes11> speaking of which i may want to change my steam account..
#2780 [21:44] <GreyVulpine> Ah
#2781 [21:45] <Pancakes11> thank you though
#2782 [21:45] * GreyVulpine nods
#2782 [21:47] <relsqui> hey! I got the older version working
#2783 [21:47] <relsqui> somehow
#2784 [21:47] <relsqui> no idea what I did right, but I'll take it
#2785 [21:47] <GreyVulpine> Heh, alright then
#2786 [21:47] <relsqui> thanks for the help :)
#2787 [21:47] <GreyVulpine> Didn't do anything, but alright
#2788 [21:50] <relsqui> I appreciate the effort/attention, whether or not it happened to be effective in this case
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#2790 [21:51] <relsqui> now the hard part--actually making something cool, heh
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#2794 [22:04] <MagusSupreme> hello, im lookin for a bit of help, i cant get my minecraft game updated i downloaded to program, but it says unable to create the virtual machine
#2795 [22:05] <xales> What are the specs of your computer?
#2796 [22:07] <MagusSupreme> win xp sp3, hp computer, 2.4 hyperthreaded pent four, 1.5 gig ram, with a built in vid card, i was able to run alpha just fine, but my friend just gave me a beta pass and i cant get my game to upgrade
#2797 [22:07] <GreyVulpine> beta.. pass?
#2798 [22:07] <GreyVulpine> A gift code?
#2799 [22:08] <MagusSupreme> mmhmm
#2800 [22:09] <MagusSupreme> tried both windows files on the minecraft site, but both give the virtual machine error
#2801 [22:09] <GreyVulpine> Tried reinstalling java?
#2802 [22:09] <MagusSupreme> hmm, sokay
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#2804 [22:14] <Iniquities> Hello? :o
#2805 [22:14] <xales> Hello
#2806 [22:14] <Iniquities> This is the help chat, right? xD
#2807 [22:14] <DopeGhoti> Salutations, Iniquities!
#2808 [22:14] <xales> Yup
#2809 [22:14] <DopeGhoti> For certian things, yes.
#2810 [22:14] <DopeGhoti> How might we attempt to assist you?
#2811 [22:14] <Iniquities> Well, I'm trying to host a small server for a few of my friends. None of them can seem to connect though.
#2812 [22:15] <DopeGhoti> Iniquities: What happens when they try?
#2813 [22:15] <xales> What IP are they using to try to connect?
#2814 [22:15] <Iniquities> They get timed out. "Timed out: connect" or something.
#2815 [22:15] <Iniquities> And they're using their home IPs, I guess. o.o
#2816 [22:16] <DopeGhoti> Iniquities: what are they typing in for the server address they are trying to connect to?
#2817 [22:16] <xales> No, I mean, what IP did you give them to type in the 'multiplayer' box, assuming you are trying to host a Beta server
#2818 [22:16] <Iniquities> They can connect to most other servers just fine. But not mine.
#2819 [22:16] <Iniquities> My external IP.
#2820 [22:17] <DopeGhoti> Would you mind sharing it with the class so taht we can test it ourselves?
#2821 [22:17] <Iniquities> Sure, let me get it up and running.
#2822 [22:17] <xales> DopeGhoti: $10 says 184.32.3.14
#2823 [22:17] <DopeGhoti> xales: no bet. Repeat customer?
#2824 [22:17] <xales> /whois
#2825 [22:17] <xales> :>
#2826 [22:17] <Iniquities> That IS the IP...
#2827 [22:17] <DopeGhoti> ah, hostmask
#2828 [22:18] <Iniquities> You psychic sonova...
#2829 [22:18] <xales> nslookup
#2830 [22:18] <DopeGhoti> !check 184.32.3.14
#2831 [22:18] <xales> Iniquities: Did you port forward?
#2832 [22:18] <SinZ> !check 127.0.0.1
#2833 [22:18] <Iniquities> ._.
#2834 [22:18] <xales> !disable
#2835 [22:18] <SinZ> lolwrong
#2836 [22:18] <Iniquities> I'm not behind a router though. Modem's hooked directly.
#2837 [22:18] <DopeGhoti> Kealper: you really need to make that report refused or stealthed.
#2838 [22:18] <SinZ> xales, Why
#2839 [22:18] <xales> Iniquities: What version of Windows are you running?
#2840 [22:18] <DopeGhoti> Iniquities: could you pastebin your server.properties file's contents?
#2841 [22:18] <xales> SinZ: Because I can
#2842 [22:18] <Iniquities> Vista.
#2843 [22:19] <Iniquities> #Minecraft server properties #Wed Feb 02 22:17:11 EST 2011 level-name=world hellworld=false spawn-monsters=true online-mode=true spawn-animals=true max-players=20 server-ip= pvp=true server-port=25565
#2844 [22:19] <Iniquities> That?
#2845 [22:19] <xales> Iniquities: Go to the start menu, in the search box, type 'cmd'
#2846 [22:19] <xales> and hit enter
#2847 [22:19] <Iniquities> Mhm
#2848 [22:19] <xales> in the box that comes up, type 'ipconfig' and hit enter
#2849 [22:19] <DopeGhoti> say well, I was hoping for a pastebin.com link, but that'll do
#2850 [22:19] <xales> what is the IPv4 address?
#2851 [22:20] <Iniquities> 184.32.3.14
#2852 [22:20] <DopeGhoti> ugh, hopping back and forth from MC console to IRC. I'm prefixing 'say' here and not there now. argh.
#2853 [22:20] <DopeGhoti> Iniquities: are you running any sort of firewalls?
#2854 [22:20] <xales> Iniquities: Do you have a firewall running?
#2855 [22:20] * DopeGhoti displays expert ninja skills.
#2855 [22:20] <Iniquities> I've disabled my Windows firewall, and my Avast's.
#2856 [22:21] <relsqui> how do I see the front of my own avatar (when I'm already in third person mode)?
#2857 [22:21] <xales> Anything else?
#2858 [22:21] <Kealper> DopeGhoti: what report? the external ip one?
#2859 [22:21] <Iniquities> My server's up if you want to test it.
#2860 [22:22] <xales> !check 184.32.3.14
#2861 [22:22] <Kealper> no one's ip is hidden on this network anyways....esper doesn't mask :/
#2862 [22:22] <Iguana> GOOD EVENING #MINECRAFTHELP.
#2863 [22:22] <DopeGhoti> say Kealper the !check 'grim' report- it should say whether the failure was a refused connection or a timeout
#2864 [22:22] <Iguana> GOOD NIGHT #MINECRAFTHELP.
#2865 [22:22] <GreyVulpine> Oh god, kill it with fire
#2866 [22:22] <Kealper> oh
#2867 [22:22] <xales> say DopeGhoti lol
#2868 [22:22] <Kealper> the way it works right now it can only tell if it connected or did not connect....i'd have to change it
#2869 [22:23] <DopeGhoti> ugh, hopping back and forth from MC console to IRC. I'm prefixing 'say' here and not there now. argh.
#2870 [22:23] <xales> say ugh, *, ugh
#2871 [22:23] <xales> :P
#2872 [22:23] <xales> Iniquities: Can you connect locally?
#2873 [22:23] <Iguana> [22:20:12] <+DopeGhoti> ugh, hopping back and forth from MC console to IRC. I'm prefixing 'say' here and not there now. argh.
#2874 [22:23] <Iguana> [22:22:49] <+DopeGhoti> ugh, hopping back and forth from MC console to IRC. I'm prefixing 'say' here and not there now. argh.
#2875 [22:23] <Iniquities> On a prt checking site it says 25565 is closed though, not open. But I'm not using a router...
#2876 [22:23] <Iguana> time stamps wat
#2877 [22:23] <Iniquities> port*
#2878 [22:23] <DopeGhoti> Iniquities: the connection to that IP and port is timing out, which indicates a firewall is dropping the packets.
#2879 [22:24] <woder22> !check serveronline.zapto.org
#2880 [22:24] <xales> !enable
#2881 [22:24] <woder22> !check serveronline.zapto.org
#2882 [22:24] <woder22> umm
#2883 [22:24] <woder22> yes i am
#2884 [22:24] <Kealper> actually
#2885 [22:25] <xales> Kealper
#2886 [22:25] <xales> connect() puts an error in errno
#2887 [22:25] <xales> you don't need to change anything
#2888 [22:25] <Kealper> i could determine if it was a refusal or timeout without changing too much
#2889 [22:26] <Kealper> xales: the way it works is by launching a separate process, that process either exits with an error code 0 or 1, and if it takes longer than 5 sec it kills the process
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#2891 [22:26] <xales> Kealper: setsockopt(&socket, SOL_SOCKET, SO_TIMEOUT, &5)
#2892 [22:26] <xales> probably
#2893 [22:26] <Iniquities> Do you think my modem could have a built in firewall? 'Cause any firewalls I have on here are off.
#2894 [22:26] <Kealper> remember..it's not C
#2895 [22:27] <xales> Kealper: You said it was close :P
#2896 [22:27] <GreyVulpine> Iniquities - It might
#2897 [22:27] <xales> Iniquities: It is possible, what is the model of the modem?
#2898 [22:27] <Kealper> close in many ways but not a clone of it :/
#2899 [22:27] <Kealper> there might be a winapi call to do that though
#2900 [22:27] <xales> setsockopt is an API call
#2901 [22:27] <DopeGhoti> just install a copy of netcat.
#2902 [22:28] <Kealper> hmm....
#2903 [22:28] * Kealper checks out the WinAPI functions
#2903 [22:28] <Kealper> might be something similar in there
#2904 [22:28] <Iniquities> 2210-02-1006? I think. It's a Motorola. I don't see a model anywhere.
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#2906 [22:29] <xales> Kealper: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms740476.aspx
#2907 [22:29] <MagusSupreme> still cant get it to run even after updating
#2908 [22:29] <xales> MagusSupreme: Do you have any 'antivirus' programs installed?
#2909 [22:29] <Kealper> xales: i love you in a totally non-homo way...brb reading
#2910 [22:29] <xales> or other 'security' programs
#2911 [22:29] <xales> Kealper: i googled "msdn getsockopt"
#2912 [22:29] <xales> :P
#2913 [22:29] <xales> err, setsockopt
#2914 [22:30] <Kealper> well yea but i was searching to see if anyone already made stuff for that call in autoit before i was going to hit msdn
#2915 [22:31] <Kealper> i did find a _TCPIPToName() function though
#2916 [22:31] <MagusSupreme> yah, comodo
#2917 [22:31] <xales> MagusSupreme: Completely disable it, then try running Minecraft again
#2918 [22:32] <MagusSupreme> still cannot create the virtual machine
#2919 [22:32] <relsqui> .... I thought the music had gone buggy, but someone had left a bunch of note blocks on a short loop and logged out
#2920 [22:32] <DopeGhoti> heh
#2921 [22:32] <Iniquities> I think I disabled my modem's firewall. And I put IP passthrough/DMZ on. So maybe it'll work now?
#2922 [22:33] <xales> MagusSupreme: OK, download the 'For Linux' file here
#2923 [22:33] <xales> !client
#2924 [22:33] <xales> Iniquities: Go ahead and try
#2925 [22:33] <Iniquities> Can you try connecting to mine again?
#2926 [22:34] <Kealper> damn making a wrapper for that api call is too much work for how i feel right now
#2927 [22:34] <xales> !check 184.32.3.14
#2928 [22:34] <MagusSupreme> same thing
#2929 [22:34] <MagusSupreme> linux?
#2930 [22:35] <Kealper> it'd require me to get the values for a few constants that i don't have access to through autoit :/
#2931 [22:35] <xales> MagusSupreme: Download the 'For Linux' file, and put it on your desktop
#2932 [22:35] <xales> then click start, in the search bar, type 'cmd' and hit enter
#2933 [22:35] <Iniquities> It's hopeless. ._. Hopefully multiplayer gets easier in future releases.
#2934 [22:36] <GreyVulpine> Most likely not
#2935 [22:36] <xales> Iniquities: It isn't anything that 'gets easier', as this is the same for any other server software
#2936 [22:36] <GreyVulpine> You're still going to need to port forward, if you can't, this is a network issue
#2937 [22:36] <GreyVulpine> Not minecraft
#2938 [22:36] <Iniquities> Then why can I host on other games just fine?
#2939 [22:37] <MagusSupreme> ok, command window opened
#2940 [22:37] <GreyVulpine> Define: "Other games"
#2941 [22:37] <Iniquities> *Shrugs* Vindictus? It's p2p.
#2942 [22:37] <Kealper> derp
#2943 [22:37] <xales> MagusSupreme: In the window, type 'java -Xms256M -Xmx256M -jar Desktop/minecraft.jar'
#2944 [22:37] <xales> Iniquities: Peer to peer applications are completely different, hence 'peer to peer'
#2945 [22:38] <Iniquities> Minecraft won't ever have something like that, for smaller sessions? I don't want to host a huge server. Just like 2 or 3 friends.
#2946 [22:39] <MagusSupreme> i get the same damn error
#2947 [22:39] <xales> The way Minecraft works is completely different
#2948 [22:39] <xales> It isn't that they won't do it, it is that it is impossible
#2949 [22:39] <xales> If you only want to play with 2 or 3 friends, try one of A: using another server, a public one B: run it over Hamachi C: have one of the friends host it
#2950 [22:40] <Iniquities> Hamachi?
#2951 [22:40] <xales> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=hamachi
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#2953 [22:40] <Iniquities> Geez, Googles it for me and everything. Best help EVAR.
#2954 [22:40] <Iniquities> :P
#2955 [22:41] <Kealper> it IS called LetMeGoogleThatForYou for a reason..
#2956 [22:41] <Iniquities> Would everyone connecting need this, or just the host?
#2957 [22:41] <GreyVulpine> Everybody
#2958 [22:42] <Iniquities> Worth a shot.
#2959 [22:43] <Iniquities> I feel really clueless right now. I'm a derp when it comes to hosting thingies, but. Manages or Unmanaged? xP
#2960 [22:44] <Iniquities> Managed*
#2961 [22:44] * Kealper has not installed Hamachi in ages
#2961 [22:44] <Kealper> so...i'd say unmanaged? idk, never used the latest version
#2962 [22:45] <Iniquities> Hmm. Alright.
#2963 [22:46] <Kealper> well anyways....away i go again....back to being sick
#2964 [22:47] <xales> still the same stuff, Kealper?
#2965 [22:47] <Kealper> since yesterday, yea :/
#2966 [22:48] <xales> :(
#2967 [22:49] <ItsCriminal> hi
#2968 [22:49] <ItsCriminal> i have a wierd problem
#2969 [22:49] <MagusSupreme> this is a pain x,x
#2970 [22:49] <ItsCriminal> only admins can build, brake, farm, stuff
#2971 [22:49] <ItsCriminal> normal players not o.O?
#2972 [22:50] <xales> Are you using any mods?
#2973 [22:50] <ItsCriminal> no nothing
#2974 [22:50] <Iniquities> I think you need to set them as OP?
#2975 [22:50] <ItsCriminal> well that just happend now
#2976 [22:50] <xales> Are you in the spawn area?
#2977 [22:50] <ItsCriminal> no
#2978 [22:50] <xales> Try restarting the server?
#2979 [22:51] <ItsCriminal> allready done :D
#2980 [22:51] <ItsCriminal> no change
#2981 [22:51] <xales> You are sure that you aren't using any mods?
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#2983 [22:51] <ItsCriminal> completly
#2984 [22:51] <ItsCriminal> the only thing is i startet a modded server over same ip but diffrent port
#2985 [22:51] <ItsCriminal> is that maybe a problem?
#2986 [22:52] <xales> Possibly. Try closing both servers, then only running the vanilla one
#2987 [22:52] <ItsCriminal> well the one over mono is closed allready
#2988 [22:52] <xales> mono?
#2989 [22:52] <ItsCriminal> yeah MC
#2990 [22:52] <xales> why are you using mono?
#2991 [22:52] <ItsCriminal> <-Linux
#2992 [22:52] <xales> to launch minecraft?
#2993 [22:53] <ItsCriminal> no
#2994 [22:53] <ItsCriminal> the original minecraft is just running normal over java
#2995 [22:53] <ItsCriminal> but the otherone (modded) i had to run over mono
#2996 [22:53] <ItsCriminal> cos of the windows files
#2997 [22:53] <xales> why would you have to do that?
#2998 [22:53] <xales> minecraft is written in Java
#2999 [22:53] <ItsCriminal> yeah i know the original is running normal over java
#3000 [22:54] <MagusSupreme> i cant get any download of minecraft to run
#3001 [22:54] <ItsCriminal> but maybe the other server changed some files of the other server somehow
#3002 [22:54] <ItsCriminal> dont know what to do ^^
#3003 [22:54] <ItsCriminal> that the nunmodded server is running again totaly normal
#3004 [22:54] <xales> MagusSupreme: do you still have the command window open?
#3005 [22:54] <ItsCriminal> no
#3006 [22:55] <ItsCriminal> sry wasnt for me ^^^
#3007 [22:55] <MagusSupreme> no, but got it open again
#3008 [22:56] <xales> ok, try running 'java -Xmx64M -Xms 64M -jar Desktop/minecraft.jar'
#3009 [22:56] <ItsCriminal> is there on linux somwhere a folder like on windows %appdata%.minecraft
#3010 [22:56] <xales> yes, but the server doesn't use that
#3011 [22:56] <ItsCriminal> wierd
#3012 [22:57] <ItsCriminal> why should it then take the settings of the modded server files ^^
#3013 [22:57] <xales> no idea
#3014 [22:57] <ItsCriminal> no connection refused o.O
#3015 [22:58] <xales> Are you using the right IP, and port?
#3016 [22:58] <ItsCriminal> yeah
#3017 [22:58] <MagusSupreme> i get invalid heap size with that command
#3018 [22:58] <ItsCriminal> ok now i just changed 25565 -> 25566
#3019 [22:59] <ItsCriminal> and he startet up and i could connect
#3020 [22:59] <xales> MagusSupreme: Oh sorry, I made a typo
#3021 [22:59] <xales> there shouldn't be a space between '-Xms' and '64M'
#3022 [22:59] <ItsCriminal> still not working :,(
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#3024 [23:00] <MagusSupreme> same damn error, cannot create virtual machine
#3025 [23:00] <MagusSupreme> and the game worked earlier
#3026 [23:00] <ItsCriminal> yes without any problems
#3027 [23:00] <ItsCriminal> 4days long no problems
#3028 [23:00] <xales> MagusSupreme: When did it stop working?
#3029 [23:01] <MagusSupreme> tonight
#3030 [23:01] <xales> ItsCriminal: Try re-downloading the vanilla server into a new folder
#3031 [23:01] <MagusSupreme> when i went to update from alpha to beta
#3032 [23:01] <ItsCriminal> ok can i still take the wolrd then in it?
#3033 [23:01] <xales> MagusSupreme: Try this
#3034 [23:01] <ItsCriminal> or first run it blank
#3035 [23:01] <xales> !reinstall
#3036 [23:01] <xales> ItsCriminal: Yes, but first run it blank
#3037 [23:01] <ItsCriminal> ok no problem i will
#3038 [23:01] <ItsCriminal> i let oyu know what happend
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#3040 [23:06] <Jackson413> ok
#3041 [23:06] <ItsCriminal> ok server new still same problem
#3042 [23:06] <xales> ItsCriminal: 'Connection Refused' still?
#3043 [23:06] <ItsCriminal> no
#3044 [23:07] <ItsCriminal> the other problem by no building or destroying
#3045 [23:07] <xales> Who exactly can destroy blocks?
#3046 [23:07] <ItsCriminal> nobody ^^^
#3047 [23:07] <ItsCriminal> ops only
#3048 [23:08] <ItsCriminal> and the spawn area is goo 50blocks away
#3049 [23:08] <ItsCriminal> *good
#3050 [23:08] <xales> Try making someone who isn't able to destroy blocks an op, and see if they can
#3051 [23:08] <ItsCriminal> ok one moment
#3052 [23:08] <MagusSupreme> ok, deleting java again, then gonna try reinstalling
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#3054 [23:09] <ItsCriminal> ok now i just randomly made /op nichname
#3055 [23:10] <ItsCriminal> and yeah that person can now
#3056 [23:10] <xales> Try re-downloading the server jar
#3057 [23:10] <MagusSupreme> brb. moving van for snowplows
#3058 [23:12] <ItsCriminal> ok we found out what it is ^^
#3059 [23:12] <ItsCriminal> an other odmin just placed in town a spawn area he didnt told me -.-
#3060 [23:13] <ItsCriminal> *admin
#3061 [23:13] <ItsCriminal> sorry that i buggerd you -.-
#3062 [23:14] <xales> ._.
#3063 [23:14] <ItsCriminal> im so pissed
#3064 [23:14] <ItsCriminal> now i know why he took the server down ^^
#3065 [23:15] <ItsCriminal> he used MCedit what i gave him cos you people told me with that you can do that and he placed it in the middle of the town what we just wanted to redo
#3066 [23:15] <ItsCriminal> ^^
#3067 [23:17] <ItsCriminal> xales thank you so much for all information
#3068 [23:17] <xales> no problem
#3069 [23:17] <ItsCriminal> im sorry for you ^^
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#3071 [23:18] <ItsCriminal> i'm helping on a german p2p website other people how to get p2p to work i know how crap some days are
#3072 [23:18] <ItsCriminal> so anyway this is a help chan i stop talking offttopic
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#3074 [23:21] <Wonko> Hey guys, quick question: I'm trying to get a windows server set up, and every time I try to connect I get the error message, "Java.net.SocketException: Connection Reset" Any idea what's causing it?
#3075 [23:21] <xales> Do you have a firewall running?
#3076 [23:22] <Wonko> not on the server machine. I specifically turned off Windows Firewall (it's a 7 x64 system), and I'm on the local network, so there shouldn't be anything happening there.
#3077 [23:22] <xales> Do you get the 'connection reset' immediately upon connecting?
#3078 [23:22] <Wonko> No, it hangs for ~30 seconds before saying that.
#3079 [23:23] <Wonko> On the server window it says, "lost connection: disconnect.genericReason"
#3080 [23:23] <Wonko> Which isn't very helpful :)
#3081 [23:23] <xales> Is the server's NIC an Atheros, by any chance?
#3082 [23:24] <Wonko> Yeah, it's an AR8121 integrated
#3083 [23:24] <xales> That is likely the issue then. Unfortunately, Minecraft has issues working properly on Atheros NICs
#3084 [23:25] <xales> which I believe is related to the implementation of Java or the Atheros driver on Windows
#3085 [23:25] <xales> because it works fine under other OSes
#3086 [23:25] <Wonko> Interesting, I'll try hosting it on my laptop which has an intel chipset once..
#3087 [23:25] <Wonko> Weird...
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#3089 [23:26] <grentew> hello
#3090 [23:26] <xales> Hello
#3091 [23:26] <Wonko> Hi
#3092 [23:27] <grentew> im new to minecraft modding and was for one question wondering what and how I put texture files in minecraft so i can load them up as options?
#3093 [23:28] <xales> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Tutorials/Texture_Packs#Windows
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#3096 [23:28] <Wonko> You're on top of this minecraft thing, ZXales ;)
#3097 [23:29] <grentew> is there some concensus on making a set format for mods to be in ?
#3098 [23:29] <Coyotebongwater> Hi.
#3099 [23:29] <xales> Mods are unrelated to texture packs, other than loading higher resolution packs
#3100 [23:29] <grentew> i see alot of mods i load up some thenbreak it with something else that was " compatible " :P
#3101 [23:29] <xales> #risucraft is where you should go to discuss modding
#3102 [23:29] <xales> Coyotebongwater: hello
#3103 [23:29] <grentew> ok is that on this server?
#3104 [23:29] <xales> yes
#3105 [23:30] <Coyotebongwater> I have a problem Xales.
#3106 [23:30] <grentew> great game i think this could be the " game of the decade" :)
#3107 [23:30] <xales> Coyotebongwater: What is the problem?
#3108 [23:30] <Coyotebongwater> I try to run a multiplayer server and the .bat file wont work.
#3109 [23:30] <grentew> mods i want are craftign and things just to operae better and the critters i could care less for anything that makes the game unbalanced
#3110 [23:31] <xales> Coyotebongwater: Are you trying to run a server for Beta, or Classic?
#3111 [23:31] <Coyotebongwater> Beta
#3112 [23:31] <xales> grentew: #risucraft for modding discussion, please
#3113 [23:31] <xales> Coyotebongwater: The one that includes the .bat file is the Classic server
#3114 [23:31] <xales> the one you want is
#3115 [23:31] <xales> !server
#3116 [23:32] <Coyotebongwater> When I try to run that one, it starts saying generatig new property files then it goes on forever.
#3117 [23:33] <xales> Where are you running it from?
#3118 [23:33] <Coyotebongwater> My desktop.
#3119 [23:33] <ItsCriminal> one tiny question i have if someone has time please tell me
#3120 [23:33] <GreyVulpine> ItsCriminal - Just ask
#3121 [23:33] <xales> Coyotebongwater: What do you mean, 'goes on forever'?
#3122 [23:34] <ItsCriminal> oh ok, is the arrow holder still existing with the craftig combination Stick-Arrow-Stick`?
#3123 [23:34] <GreyVulpine> Arrow.. holder?
#3124 [23:34] <xales> It never did?
#3125 [23:34] <Coyotebongwater> It starts doing at ef.b(SourceFile:29-37)
#3126 [23:34] <ItsCriminal> i dont know the word for it
#3127 [23:34] <ItsCriminal> wait i google it
#3128 [23:34] <GreyVulpine> quiver?
#3129 [23:34] <xales> Quiver?
#3130 [23:34] <Coyotebongwater> It just repeats that.
#3131 [23:34] <xales> ninja!
#3132 [23:34] <ItsCriminal> yeah
#3133 [23:34] <GreyVulpine> Quivers were taken out in indev
#3134 [23:35] <GreyVulpine> or infdev.
#3135 [23:35] <xales> Coyotebongwater: Can you take a screenshot of the server window?
#3136 [23:35] <ItsCriminal> oh ok
#3137 [23:35] <ItsCriminal> thank you
#3138 [23:35] <Coyotebongwater> K.
#3139 [23:36] <xales> Coyotebongwater: And upload it somewhere like imgur, so we can see it.
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#3141 [23:40] <xales> Coyotebongwater: You still there?
#3142 [23:40] <Coyotebongwater> Yeah.
#3143 [23:40] <xales> Did you upload the screenshot?
#3144 [23:41] <Coyotebongwater> Xales: Trying to take picture!
#3145 [23:41] <xales> ah
#3146 [23:41] <Coyotebongwater> My computer is being super slow right now.
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#3148 [23:46] <Coyotebongwater> Where do I upload it?
#3149 [23:47] <Coyotebongwater> Also. When I go to close it. It wont close.
#3150 [23:47] <xales> Doesn't matter, imgur maybe
#3151 [23:47] <xales> you may have to kill it with Task Manager
#3152 [23:47] <Coyotebongwater> Yeah.
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#3154 [23:47] <Coyotebongwater> Imgur?
#3155 [23:48] <Wonko> That was weird.. My comp just jammed.. I wonder if it had something to do with mibbit...
#3156 [23:48] <xales> Coyotebongwater: Google it.
#3157 [23:48] <Wonko> Either way, I was starting to say thanks for the help, Xales
#3158 [23:48] <xales> Wonko: Probably. Mibbit is total garbage
#3159 [23:48] <xales> and no problem, by the way
#3160 [23:49] <Wonko> That would do it, then.. :)
#3161 [23:50] <Wonko> Is there anything special I have to do with port forwarding to get this server accessable to the outside world? I have it ported to my laptop now, and i can connect with Localhost, but an external connection is just getting "Connection Refused:Connect"
#3162 [23:50] <Wonko> I have port #25565 forwarded..
#3163 [23:51] <Coyotebongwater> Xales: http://coyotebongwater.imgur.com/all/
#3164 [23:51] <xales> Wonko: Firewall, possibly
#3165 [23:51] <xales> make sure it is forwarded to the laptop
#3166 [23:51] <Wonko> Yeah, I did...
#3167 [23:51] <Wonko> IS there anything trick about Port 25565?
#3168 [23:52] <Wonko> I also disabled the windows firewall for this test, as well as temporarily making my laptop a DMZ on the router (eek!)
#3169 [23:52] <xales> "Sorry! CoyoteBongwater's uploaded images are not publicly available"
#3170 [23:52] <xales> ._.
#3171 [23:52] <Coyotebongwater> Gay.
#3172 [23:52] <Coyotebongwater> Holdon.
#3173 [23:52] <xales> Wonko: No idea
#3174 [23:53] <Wonko> Ahhhhhh.... Do you HAVE to specify the port in the IP address when you connect?
#3175 [23:53] <Coyotebongwater> Try now.
#3176 [23:53] <Wonko> I think my friend may not have been doing that...
#3177 [23:53] <xales> Wonko: You shouldn't have to
#3178 [23:53] <xales> Connection refused sounds like a firewall to me
#3179 [23:53] <Wonko> Ah, it said timed out (now that he added the :25565 to the end of the IP)..
#3180 [23:53] <Wonko> but it never showed up in my log...
#3181 [23:53] <ItsCriminal> is there somehow a way to make a hello message?
#3182 [23:54] <xales> ItsCriminal: "hello message"?
#3183 [23:54] <ItsCriminal> join message
#3184 [23:54] <xales> Wonko: Timed out means its probably not port-forwarded correctly
#3185 [23:54] <xales> ItsCriminal: That is called a MOTD, and I do not believe it is possible without a mod
#3186 [23:54] <ItsCriminal> a user is joining the server and the server says Welcome on here, have some fun
#3187 [23:54] <ItsCriminal> ok thanks
#3188 [23:55] <Wonko> Xales - I'm going to keep poking at it. Thanks for all the help and the tidbit about the atheros chips!
#3189 [23:55] <relsqui> hmmm. is there anything short of building a tunnel over them that will secure ground-level exterior rails from mobs?
#3190 [23:55] <xales> Wonko: No problem
#3191 [23:55] <xales> relsqui: I have heard, but not confirmed, that they cannot pass through torches
#3192 [23:55] <relsqui> I'd been thinking to use fences, on the theory that nothing but spiders can get over them, and if the gap between is only one wide spiders can't get through the top
#3193 [23:55] <ItsCriminal> n8 all i need some sleep 5:55am here ^^
#3194 [23:56] <xales> so if you line it with torches, or put a ring around, that might work
#3195 [23:56] <relsqui> xales: interesting. that's good to know.
#3196 [23:56] <Coyotebongwater> http://coyotebongwater.imgur.com/all/
#3197 [23:56] <relsqui> a lot of the track goes over ice so I can't use torches heavily (just learned that the hard way) but it works in combination with the fences
#3198 [23:56] <relsqui> which I wanted to do anyway, to keep mobs from spawning INSIDE the fence
#3199 [23:57] <xales> Coyotebongwater: Force close the server, and try to put it in it's own folder
#3200 [23:57] <relsqui> I'm concerned mostly because skeletons are showing up inside my house, getting in on the rail line
#3201 [23:59] <Coyotebongwater> That is angryfying!
#3202 [23:59] <Coyotebongwater> That was so easy!
#3203 [23:59] <Coyotebongwater> Thanks Xales!
#3204 [23:59] <xales> No problem
#3205 [23:59] <relsqui> hehe