#1 [00:02] <jonasm> Are there any Bukkit testing phases up?
#2 [00:02] <Mathuin> jonasm: eh, I don't see the point in mining for all the iron needed to build the minecraft tracks and stuff. If I'm building a transit system, I'll accept getting it delivered from imaginary sources.
#3 [00:03] <jonasm> Mathuin, I just like to farm.
#4 [00:03] <jonasm> That's my deal.
#5 [00:03] <jonasm> I've played WoW since release. farming gold is an old pasttime.
#6 [00:04] <Mathuin> I played from a month after release until about three years ago. I'd rather do something creative than repeatable.
#7 [00:04] <jonasm> Agreed.
#8 [00:04] <Mathuin> That's why 99% of my minecraft time lately has been focused on building worlds, not playing in them. :-P
#9 [00:04] <jonasm> Hah.
#10 [00:05] <Mathuin> And why I'm looking for help/ideas on translating the interstate highway system into minecart tracks.
#11 [00:05] <Mathuin> But creating a trestle in Python... hard.
#12 [00:05] <jonasm> I like to make adventure maps. And spend a lot of time on that stuff, then let my brother play them.
#13 [00:05] <jonasm> The only Hack- like thing I use is MCMap Live
#14 [00:06] <jonasm> To show me where stuff is! :D
#15 [00:06] <Mathuin> MInutor has been more helpful than I expected.
#16 [00:06] <Mathuin> It's really really good for slicing through to certain depths of the map.
#17 [00:06] <jonasm> Can you link it?
#18 [00:07] <Mathuin> http://seancode.com/minutor
#19 [00:09] <jonasm> Just downloaded it.
#20 [00:09] <jonasm> seens coo enough
#21 [00:10] <Mathuin> The slider across the top is very useful, especially if you pay close attention.
#22 [00:10] <jonasm> Yeah.
#23 [00:11] <Mathuin> I tend to dig 3x3 mine shafts that move down diagonally with alternating torches, and they show up very clearly on minutor.
#24 [00:12] <jonasm> Is there any hotkey for using the depth scroller?
#25 [00:13] <Mathuin> I haven't seen one, but there might be.
#26 [00:13] <jonasm> By the way - What's a cool world generator seed?
#27 [00:14] <relsqui> jonasm: gargamel
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#29 [00:14] <jonasm> alrighty, trying it.
#30 [00:15] <jonasm> I spawned underground
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#32 [00:16] <relsqui> jonasm: yup, that happens
#33 [00:16] <jonasm> :(
#34 [00:16] <Jackson413> hey dope you here?
#35 [00:16] <relsqui> there's a cave entrance quite near
#36 [00:16] <relsqui> just look up
#37 [00:17] <Jackson413> dope ru here?
#38 [00:17] <Jackson413> anyone that could give me some advice?
#39 [00:17] <jonasm> with?
#40 [00:17] <relsqui> Jackson413: he's probably just as here as he was forty seconds ago when you asked
#41 [00:17] <Jackson413> server stuff
#42 [00:17] <relsqui> :P
#43 [00:18] <Jackson413> well tell me if this is good for a server
#44 [00:18] <jonasm> Eh. Not my forté
#45 [00:18] <Jackson413> 1 gb ram for 10 players
#46 [00:18] <Jackson413> connection speed is amazing
#47 [00:18] <Kealper> Jackson413: "amazing" is subjective to the person saying it
#48 [00:19] <Kealper> http://speedtest.net
#49 [00:19] <Jackson413> 20mbs uplload
#50 [00:19] <Jackson413> no this is multiplay
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#52 [00:19] <Jackson413> might be ordering a server from them
#53 [00:19] <Kealper> oh, VPS/dedi....nvm then
#54 [00:19] <Kealper> yeah it'll probably do fine
#55 [00:20] <Mathuin> Jackson413: how much?
#56 [00:20] <Mathuin> (money, not computing resources)
#57 [00:20] <Jackson413> $90/3 months
#58 [00:20] <Mathuin> If a dollar a day is worth it, go ahead.
#59 [00:20] <Jackson413> good way to put it
#60 [00:21] <Jackson413> that might be fore 1.5 gb of ram
#61 [00:21] <Jackson413> i forget
#62 [00:21] <Jackson413> lemme check
#63 [00:23] <Kealper> restarted
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#65 [00:23] <Kealper> that new level format is nice for how fast it starts now lol
#66 [00:24] <Mathuin> Kealper: that it is.
#67 [00:24] <Jackson413> nvm it is $72
#68 [00:24] <Blabagas2> Hey Greyvulpine what was that channel you told me to join before? my client thing screwed up
#69 [00:24] <Blabagas2> lol
#70 [00:24] <GreyVulpine> ... wasn't me
#71 [00:24] <Blabagas2> oh
#72 [00:24] <Mathuin> What was it for?
#73 [00:24] <Mathuin> For mod help?
#74 [00:24] <Kealper> Blabagas2: #risucraft
#75 [00:24] <Blabagas2> wyes
#76 [00:24] <Blabagas2> thanks
#77 [00:24] <Mathuin> What K said.
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#80 [00:38] <Mathuin> Hmm. maxdepth of 4, time is 14sec per tile. maxdepth of 10, time is 27sec per tile. maxdepth of 16, time is 65sec per tile.
#81 [00:38] <blinky> can anyone give me the seed number for a completely flat land?
#82 [00:38] <blinky> out of grass?
#83 [00:38] <Mathuin> blinky: you are better off using one of the many map generators to build exactly what you want.
#84 [00:38] <blinky> is there not a seed number?
#85 [00:38] <Mathuin> No.
#86 [00:38] <GreyVulpine> Nope
#87 [00:38] <blinky> oo its grey vulpine again
#88 [00:39] <blinky> i was the guy with the corrupt world :S
#89 [00:39] <GreyVulpine> I remember.
#90 [00:39] <blinky> um is INVEDIT just an inventory editor or does it edit maps too?
#91 [00:39] <GreyVulpine> It's just an inventory editor
#92 [00:39] <GreyVulpine> For maps, you want MCedit
#93 [00:39] <Mathuin> How big, how perfectly flat?
#94 [00:40] <blinky> well im making a call of duty nazi zombies type map, so flat enuff
#95 [00:40] <blinky> any idea how to youse MCedit
#96 [00:40] <GreyVulpine> Do you want any depth at all, or just straight down to bedrock?
#97 [00:40] <Mathuin> There's some documentation with mcedit that is pretty decent.
#98 [00:41] <blinky> like... you know grass
#99 [00:41] <blinky> like a compeltely flat ground
#100 [00:41] <Mathuin> http://www.mathuin.org/TopoMC/Maps/StThomas/index.html -- like this map?
#101 [00:42] <blinky> yeh like that
#102 [00:42] <Mathuin> You can download that map if you want.
#103 [00:42] <blinky> cool how?
#104 [00:42] <Mathuin> http://www.mathuin.org/TopoMC/Worlds/StThomas.zip
#105 [00:42] <Mathuin> It's a model of the region surrounding St. Thomas, Minnesota.
#106 [00:43] <blinky> ah k
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#108 [00:43] <Mathuin> There's a little house on the left hand side of the map, that's where the spawn point is.
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#110 [00:43] <blinky> perfect
#111 [00:44] <Mathuin> Sorry about the wierd crookedness. Blame the USGS for having bad data. :-)
#112 [00:44] <blinky> does miencraft now have unlimited worlds? like does a scroll bar appear or something
#113 [00:46] <blinky> got the world 1 problem is that its covered in clouds? anyway to disable clouds?
#114 [00:47] <blinky> hello?
#115 [00:47] <blinky> anyway to disable clouds?
#116 [00:47] <Kealper> no
#117 [00:47] <Mathuin> blinky: I do not know about disabling clouds.
#118 [00:48] <Mathuin> The world I generated is limited in the sense that there's a big box 'round it, yeah.
#119 [00:48] <Kealper> if it's covered in clouds, move around, you spawned on the top of a HUGE mountain then
#120 [00:48] <Mathuin> Kealper: it's a huge plain, actually.
#121 [00:48] <Kealper> oh....meh
#122 [00:48] <Mathuin> And maxdepth 32 gives a time of *347* seconds.
#123 [00:48] <blinky> darn there should be away to disable clouds
#124 [00:49] <Mathuin> I have a bunch of worlds you can look through if you want.
#125 [00:49] <Kealper> techincally there is, but it just makes them invisible
#126 [00:49] <blinky> i did it
#127 [00:49] <blinky> i jsut changed graphics to fast
#128 [00:49] <Mathuin> haha
#129 [00:49] <Kealper> i should make a texture pack who's sole purpose is to disable clounds
#130 [00:49] <blinky> well that great i can get started now
#131 [00:49] <Kealper> clouds*
#132 [00:49] <blinky> if u did that i would LOVE YOU
#133 [00:49] <blinky> :)
#134 [00:50] <Kealper> prepare to get lovin' then....gimme a sec
#135 [00:50] * |Herobrine| [|Herobrine|@notlogged] has joined ##MineCraftHelp
#136 [00:51] <Kealper> xales: ask bildramer to release the Herobrine nick so your bot can use it
#137 [00:51] <xales> Kealper: I don't want it :)
#138 [00:51] <xales> I like the | |
#139 [00:51] <Kealper> bah lol
#140 [00:51] <xales> lol
#141 [00:52] <xales> my bot does something cool now
#142 [00:52] <xales> .host Kealper
#143 [00:52] <|Herobrine|> Channel: #Lobby User: Kealper Host: 190.120.238.65 Server: aperture.esper.net
#144 [00:53] <Kealper> me headtilts
#145 [00:53] <Kealper> /me fails
#146 [00:53] <xales> me wonders if you meant /me
#147 [00:53] <xales> I have no idea what determines the channel that WHO says
#148 [00:53] <xales> but ok
#149 [00:53] <Kealper> weird
#150 [00:54] <Kealper> last channel joined perhaps?
#151 [00:54] <AG_Scott> I am [trying to] create an IRC bot tonight
#152 [00:54] <blinky> did u say gimme a sec? its that quick for u to make a texture pack?
#153 [00:54] <xales> possibly
#154 [00:54] <Kealper> .host Kealper
#155 [00:54] <xales> :P
#156 [00:54] <AG_Scott> I'ma use ruby I believe.
#157 [00:54] <Kealper> xales: doo et
#158 [00:54] <Kealper> (the .host command)
#159 [00:54] <xales> .host Kealper
#160 [00:54] <|Herobrine|> Channel: #TROLOLOLOLO User: Kealper Host: 190.120.238.65 Server: aperture.esper.net
#161 [00:55] <Kealper> blinky: it's done, windows is sucking right now though....not letting me pack it up
#162 [00:55] <Kealper> xales: last channel joined then
#163 [00:55] <xales> .host Kealper
#164 [00:55] <|Herobrine|> Kealper!Kealper@190.120.238.65
#165 [00:55] <xales> \o/
#166 [00:56] <xales> Kealper, now that I implemented that
#167 [00:56] <xales> I forgot what I was going to use it for =/
#168 [00:56] <Kealper> ok....windows stopped being stupid, testing th pack now
#169 [00:57] <xales> oh, right
#170 [00:57] <xales> kickbanning! :)
#171 [00:59] <Diablothein> Without nothing, I am God.
#172 [01:01] <Kealper> i don't think it liked me removing clouds
#173 [01:02] <blinky> Kealper: link me to it once you have uploaded it, also MY MAP IS COMING ON AWESOME to all call of duty zombies fans: its comign to minecraft
#174 [01:03] <xales> .join #minecraft
#175 [01:05] <xales> that's weird
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#177 [01:05] <xales> Kealper, why
#178 [01:05] <xales> ERROR 403: aperture.esper.net: |Herobrine| BAN No such channel
#179 [01:05] <xales> oh haha
#180 [01:05] <Kealper> it's sending the packet "MODE +b BAN"
#181 [01:06] <xales> yeah, I wanted to know why :P
#182 [01:06] <Kealper> oh lol
#183 [01:06] <xales> this stupid scripting langauge doesn't tell me when I don't give enough parameters to a function
#184 [01:06] <LordHeatrows> Hi guys, i wonder if some of you can help me with a problem im having
#185 [01:06] <xales> LordHeatrows: what's the problem?
#186 [01:07] <LordHeatrows> it says connection timed out when i try to connect to my friends server
#187 [01:08] <xales> LordHeatrows: what IP are you using to connect?
#188 [01:08] <blinky> sometimes the server isnt always on
#189 [01:08] <LordHeatrows> im using his public IP
#190 [01:09] <LordHeatrows> what is strange is that other friends can connect but not me, using the same ip
#191 [01:09] <Kealper> blinky: doesn't look like you can disable clouds with a texture pack anymore :/
#192 [01:09] <LordHeatrows> and i can connect to other servers
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#194 [01:09] <Chance> how do I log in my nickname?
#195 [01:09] <Chance> lol
#196 [01:09] <xales> Chance: /msg NickServ IDENTIFY password
#197 [01:09] <Chance> Im trying /msg nickserv
#198 [01:09] <Chance> uh
#199 [01:09] <xales> LordHeatrows: what is the IP?
#200 [01:10] <Chance> whats the identify
#201 [01:10] <xales> Chance: you just write identify, then your password
#202 [01:10] <Chance> oh
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#204 [01:10] <Chance> ty
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#206 [01:10] <Kealper> blinky: or not....i figured out a way to make it almost no clouds lol
#207 [01:11] <Mourne_> I'm having a problem, my launcher will not connect to minecraft.net whatsoever. Suggestions?
#208 [01:11] <xales> ??> LordHeatrows irc/dontpm
#209 [01:11] <VoxelHead> LordHeatrows: (irc/dontpm) We prefer in general to assist people in a public manner, in the channel; please don't ask for someone to PM you assistance unless there is actual private information involved.
#210 [01:11] <xales> LordHeatrows: can you connect to other servers?
#211 [01:12] <LordHeatrows> yes
#212 [01:12] <blinky> kealper done yet? no rush...
#213 [01:12] <LordHeatrows> sorry
#214 [01:12] <Kealper> blinky: it is a rush, i wanna know why this is hating me right now xD
#215 [01:12] <LordHeatrows> i can connect to other servers
#216 [01:13] <xales> LordHeatrows: does the IP you are trying to connect to begin like "5." or "192.168"
#217 [01:13] <LordHeatrows> no
#218 [01:13] <xales> LordHeatrows: what are the first 2 numbers?
#219 [01:13] <LordHeatrows> its his public happy
#220 [01:14] <LordHeatrows> IP*
#221 [01:14] <xales> Kealper: look at this :P
#222 [01:14] <xales> .proxy #minecraft cmode -b *!*@c-67-177-131-104.hsd1.mi.comcast.net
#223 [01:14] <LordHeatrows> 24
#224 [01:14] <Kealper> wut
#225 [01:14] <xales> Kealper: the bot treats that as if I had said "cmode -b whatever" in #minecraft :P
#226 [01:14] <Kealper> xales: |Herobrine| better be Wonton or imma slap it
#227 [01:14] <xales> LordHeatrows: sorry, I mean the first two segments
#228 [01:14] <LordHeatrows> but i got 2 other friends currently playing ont the server, and i cant
#229 [01:15] <xales> x.x.y.y
#230 [01:15] <Kealper> too lazy to version
#231 [01:15] <xales> the two xs
#232 [01:15] <xales> Kealper: it's not ._.
#233 [01:15] <LordHeatrows> 24.201
#234 [01:15] * Kealper slaps |Herobrine| around a bit with an unreasonably massive trout
#234 [01:15] <xales> LordHeatrows: I assume he is running the server at home?
#235 [01:15] <LordHeatrows> yes
#236 [01:16] <xales> of course <.< anyway..that's strange
#237 [01:16] <LordHeatrows> on another computer
#238 [01:16] <xales> are the friends who are connecting also using that IP?
#239 [01:16] <LordHeatrows> yes
#240 [01:16] <xales> are you running any kind of firewall?
#241 [01:17] <Kealper> blinky: you don't get no clouds, for some reason it does not want to disable the clouds unless i edit my big texture pack....no idea why though
#242 [01:17] <LordHeatrows> yes but i tried to connect to his server with all my firewalls turned off and it still didnt worked
#243 [01:18] <xales> LordHeatrows: are you using Windows 7 or Vista?
#244 [01:18] <LordHeatrows> I tried to look for solutions on forums but no one have that particular problem, thats why i came here
#245 [01:18] <LordHeatrows> Im using vista
#246 [01:18] <Shadow386> yo xales
#247 [01:18] <xales> hi Shadow386
#248 [01:18] <Shadow386> know how to github? >.>
#249 [01:18] <xales> yes
#250 [01:18] <Shadow386> help me set up? :3
#251 [01:18] <xales> git on windows is shit btw
#252 [01:18] <xales> well
#253 [01:19] <Shadow386> know anything better then?
#254 [01:19] <Shadow386> lol
#255 [01:19] <xales> you have to find whatever the gui one is or use cygwin
#256 [01:19] <xales> go. find the gui git client thingy
#257 [01:19] <Shadow386> Already have the gui and installing cygwin now
#258 [01:19] <xales> ah
#259 [01:19] <xales> what..else do I need to help with?
#260 [01:19] <Shadow386> just fail on how to add files and open it to the public correcly
#261 [01:19] <Shadow386> correctly*
#262 [01:19] <xales> http://help.github.tld/ btw (I forget the tld... .com?)
#263 [01:19] <Shadow386> >.>
#264 [01:19] <Shadow386> .com i think
#265 [01:19] <xales> Shadow386: it's public by default, unless you paid for it
#266 [01:20] <xales> and as for adding files
#267 [01:20] <Shadow386> but like, there's no login for it x_x
#268 [01:20] <xales> I have no idea with the gui client
#269 [01:20] <blinky> kealper no gibby idc
#270 [01:20] <xales> Shadow386: what?
#271 [01:20] <blinky> * no biggie
#272 [01:20] <Shadow386> nothin, was reading something wrong
#273 [01:20] <xales> Shadow386: anyone can access it, they can't change it. if they are logged into Github and you set them as a collaborator, they can
#274 [01:20] <xales> as for adding files
#275 [01:20] <Shadow386> bah
#276 [01:20] <xales> first add them
#277 [01:20] <xales> then commit them
#278 [01:20] <xales> then push them
#279 [01:21] <xales> (push makes GitHub aware of any commits you have made)
#280 [01:21] <xales> (otherwise a commit is purely local)
#281 [01:21] <Shadow386> finally found the damn add button
#282 [01:21] <Shadow386> ty
#283 [01:22] <Kealper> is git actually it's own thing or just a glorified SVN?
#284 [01:22] <Shadow386> its confusing if you dont know what to do at first
#285 [01:22] <Shadow386> any simpler things that are similar? lol
#286 [01:23] <xales> Shadow386, yeah
#287 [01:23] <xales> SVN is simpler
#288 [01:23] <xales> but less powerful
#289 [01:24] <xales> use sourceforge if you want svn hosting
#290 [01:24] <Shadow386> all I need is something simple that I can open for people to edit that I choose
#291 [01:27] <blinky> damn any help?
#292 [01:27] <blinky> i just got the spawner gui mod
#293 [01:27] <blinky> so i can change my spawners to spawn zombies for my map
#294 [01:27] <blinky> i deleted meta inf too
#295 [01:27] <Mourne_> Could I get some help? My launcher can't connect to minecraft.net.
#296 [01:27] <blinky> but when ever u start mc i place spawner then rite click spawner to change and minecraft closes
#297 [01:28] <Shadow386> Mourne_ usual issue
#298 [01:29] <Shadow386> blinky we dont help with mods for Minecraft
#299 [01:29] <Mourne_> It's a usual issue? Then is there a fix that I haven't seen?
#300 [01:29] <xales> Mourne_: update to the newer launcher
#301 [01:30] <xales> Kealper
#302 [01:30] <xales> check if bot recognizes you (.whoami)
#303 [01:30] <Mourne_> Well, I click on the Force Game Update button and it says "Will do" but does nothing. Am I missing something?
#304 [01:31] <LordHeatrows> it will force the game update only when you login
#305 [01:31] <xales> Mourne_: when did you start experiencing this issue?
#306 [01:31] <Mourne_> As soon as I got back into MC a couple days ago. It was doing this since I downloaded it from the website.
#307 [01:32] <xales> LordHeatrows: open the start menu, in the search area, type "cmd" and hit enter. in the box that comes up, type "ping (friendsip)" and hit enter.
#308 [01:32] <Shadow386> delete the bin folder and use the new launcher
#309 [01:33] <LordHeatrows> k
#310 [01:34] <Mourne_> Everytime I hit the "Login" button, it says "Can't connect to minecraft.net" so it won't download it.
#311 [01:34] <xales> Mourne_: are you using XP or 7/vista?
#312 [01:34] <Mourne_> Windows 7.
#313 [01:36] <xales> Mourne_: start->in the search area type "cmd" -> in the box that comes up, type "ping www.minecraft.net" and hit enter
#314 [01:36] <xales> it should say something like "Pinging www.minecraft.net [numbers]"
#315 [01:36] <xales> can you write those numbers here?
#316 [01:36] <LordHeatrows> I entered what you told me and the answer i get is that he cant find the host (friendship) and to verify the name before trying again
#317 [01:38] <xales> LordHeatrows: I meant type your friend's ip not actually "(friendsip)"
#318 [01:38] <Shadow386> what xales said
#319 [01:38] <LordHeatrows> oh lol
#320 [01:38] <Mourne_> Ping Statistics for <minecraft.net ip> Packets: Sent=4, Recieved=0, Lost=4 (100% loss>
#321 [01:39] <xales> Mourne_:
#322 [01:39] <xales> 01:36:24 <@xales> it should say something like "Pinging www.minecraft.net [numbers]"
#323 [01:39] <xales> 01:36:31 <@xales> can you write those numbers here?
#324 [01:40] <xales> the numbers on the first line, not the last
#325 [01:41] <Mourne_> Pinging mc-main-1819944940.us-east-1.e1b.amazonaws.com [184.72.219.240] with 32 bytes of data:
#326 [01:41] <Mourne_> That's what I get.
#327 [01:42] <xales> try "ping login.minecraft.net"
#328 [01:42] <LordHeatrows> in the statistics it says that that he sent 4 packages and received 0, total lost: 4
#329 [01:42] <xales> and paste the same info
#330 [01:43] <xales> LordHeatrows: it should repeat one thing 4 times, is it "Request timed out"?
#331 [01:43] <LordHeatrows> yes
#332 [01:43] <xales> ok, now do "tracert (ip)" replace (ip) with the IP
#333 [01:43] <Mourne_> Pinging login.minecraft.net [50.17.234.159] with 32 bytes of data:
#334 [01:44] <xales> and pastebin (http://pastebin.com/) what it gives you
#335 [01:46] <xales> Mourne_: thats.. strange
#336 [01:46] <xales> Mourne_: are you behind and sort of proxy or corporate firewall, or have a personal firewall installed on your own computer?
#337 [01:46] <Mourne_> Is it pinging the wrong IP or something?
#338 [01:46] <Mathuin> /etc/hosts ?
#339 [01:47] <xales> no, the IP looks right..
#340 [01:47] <Mathuin> ... maxdepth 48 is a 918sec endeavour. No way.
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#342 [01:47] <xales> ;; ANSWER SECTION:
#343 [01:47] <xales> 159.234.17.50.in-addr.arpa. 300 IN PTR ec2-50-17-234-159.compute-1.amazonaws.com.
#344 [01:50] <Mourne_> Suggestions?
#345 [01:51] <xales> Mourne_: no local firewall, and not behind a proxy/corporate?
#346 [01:52] <Mourne_> I am behind Windows Firewall and Norton. I have it trusted in Norton, and I had tried turning off the firewall and still got nothing.
#347 [01:52] <Shadow386> not firewall, proxy
#348 [01:53] <xales> well, firewall and proxy
#349 [01:53] <xales> :P
#350 [01:53] <Shadow386> :P
#351 [01:53] <xales> Mourne_: have you tried completely turning off Norton?
#352 [01:53] <Mourne_> Yes I have. Could you explain proxy?
#353 [01:53] <xales> Norton is known to be a bloated steaming pile of shit and cause problems with well..everything
#354 [01:53] <xales> Mourne_: are you on a home internet connection?
#355 [01:53] <Shadow386> norton isnt worth trusting
#356 [01:54] <Mourne_> I would defend Norton with my life :). And yes. I'm getting my internet through a router.
#357 [01:54] <xales> Mourne_: a home/residential connection?
#358 [01:54] <Mourne_> Yup.
#359 [01:54] <Shadow386> I dont see why x_x
#360 [01:54] <xales> hmm
#361 [01:54] <Mourne_> Norton hasn't failed me yet, is why, Shadow.
#362 [01:55] <Shadow386> it will soon >.>
#363 [01:55] <Shadow386> I use a free one, and im sure most others as well
#364 [01:55] <xales> Mourne_: try browsing to https://login.minecraft.net/haspaid.jsp?user=xales
#365 [01:55] <xales> it should give you a 404 page generated by Tomcat
#366 [01:55] <LordHeatrows> im sorry if im slow but its the first time i use pastebin, what do i need to do once i pasted what it gave me on pastebin?
#367 [01:56] <xales> LordHeatrows: paste the URL it sends you to after clicking "submit" in here
#368 [01:56] <LordHeatrows> kk
#369 [01:56] <Mourne_> I did get a 404 error.
#370 [01:57] <Shadow386> Mourne_ so it's minecraft.net... have you tried www.minecraft.net?
#371 [01:57] <xales> Shadow386: the launcher only uses login.minecraft.net I believe
#372 [01:57] <Shadow386> oh?
#373 [01:57] <xales> which means something is denying it outbound access
#374 [01:57] <xales> like..Norton ._.
#375 [01:58] <LordHeatrows> http://pastebin.com/pPdwihVS
#376 [01:58] <Shadow386> I think login.minecraft.net must be redirecting towards the amazon servers in a way possibly
#377 [01:58] <Mourne_> Well, I'll take another look.
#378 [01:58] <xales> Shadow386: no it's a seperate cluster or whatever
#379 [01:58] <LordHeatrows> its in french tought
#380 [01:58] <DopeGhoti> Morning, kids.
#381 [01:58] <Mathuin> Morning!
#382 [01:59] <Shadow386> 2am, yes morning is the correct response
#383 [01:59] <xales> LordHeatrows: your router is blocking connections to his IP for some reason
#384 [01:59] <LordHeatrows> ok
#385 [02:00] <xales> LordHeatrows: as for fixing it...not really sure why it would do that =/
#386 [02:00] <LordHeatrows> kk, thx
#387 [02:00] <xales> LordHeatrows: but you know where to look...you could try resetting the router I suppose
#388 [02:01] <LordHeatrows> yeah, ill try to play with it
#389 [02:03] <Mourne_> It can't be Norton. I turned everything off, and still nothing.
#390 [02:03] <Shadow386> even if you turn the dumb thing off, it still tries to do and block shit
#391 [02:04] <xales> Mourne_: try rebooting in "Safe Mode with Networking" mode
#392 [02:04] <xales> and see if Minecraft connects there
#393 [02:04] <xales> if it does, you know Norton is the problem
#394 [02:04] <Mourne_> How would I reboot in that fashion?
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#396 [02:05] <xales> Mourne_: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-vista/Start-your-computer-in-safe-mode
#397 [02:05] <Mourne_> Thank you.
#398 [02:06] <Mourne_> Alright, here goes nothing.
#399 [02:06] <xales> oh wow
#400 [02:07] <xales> what a terrible quit message
#401 [02:07] <xales> We be chillin - IceChat style
#402 [02:07] <xales> ._.
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#404 [02:10] <giblin967> Got a question regarding a very specific output error if anyone is there.
#405 [02:10] <xales> ?? error
#406 [02:10] <VoxelHead> error: It's not helpful to just say "Some error" or "Some message". We need to know exactly what error(s) you are getting in order to tell you what it means.
#407 [02:10] <VoxelHead> error: If the error is more than one or two lines, please use PasteBin (http://www.pastebin.com) so as not to flood the channel.
#408 [02:11] <giblin967> I have one user that logs in and gets: at java.util.zip.InflaterInputStream.read(Unknown Source) and then a slew of other [severe] errors
#409 [02:11] <DopeGhoti> Just that one user?
#410 [02:11] <giblin967> Just one user.
#411 [02:11] <DopeGhoti> Try renaming their player datfile.
#412 [02:11] <giblin967> I can throw the rest of the error stream on pastebin that comes after that one if need be.
#413 [02:12] <giblin967> I did that, then his client was crashing for no reason when connected. Now it's back to the error stream though.
#414 [02:12] <xales> Have him do this
#415 [02:12] <xales> ?? win/reinst
#416 [02:12] <DopeGhoti> I suspect this user may be using ZoneAlarm
#417 [02:12] <VoxelHead> win/reinst: You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#418 [02:12] <VoxelHead> win/reinst: To do so, press Win+R, type in %AppData%, and press Enter. In the window that appears, open the .minecraft directory, and delete the bin directory that you see therein. Then, try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
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#420 [02:13] <Mourne_> Safe mode did not work, I'm afraid.
#421 [02:13] <giblin967> He has removed the bin directory for MC to no avail
#422 [02:13] <giblin967> And no zonealarm isn't running on his machine
#423 [02:13] <xales> giblin967: any firewall at all? a few are known to cause issues
#424 [02:13] <DopeGhoti> giblin967: I prefer not to play Telephone; could you direct them here?
#425 [02:13] <giblin967> It's server side somewhere, as the user can login on the machine of an unaffected user and spawn the same errors
#426 [02:14] <giblin967> ok I am the user
#427 [02:14] <giblin967> and the administrator
#428 [02:14] <giblin967> No firewalls on the machine
#429 [02:14] <xales> Mourne_: did Norton show any sign of running? I'm not sure if it's actually disabled in safe mode
#430 [02:14] <Mourne_> No sign. Not even on my taskbar.
#431 [02:14] <xales> also, have you tried simply redownloading the launcher?
#432 [02:14] <Mourne_> Yes.
#433 [02:14] <xales> I doubt that's it but..it's possible
#434 [02:14] <giblin967> A few times to no avail
#435 [02:15] <xales> giblin967: are there any mods running on the server?
#436 [02:15] <giblin967> The newest version of Bukkit is running. A few plugins as well.
#437 [02:15] <xales> Mourne_: hmm..that's weird
#438 [02:15] <xales> giblin967: try deleting the .dat and running it without Bukkit
#439 [02:16] <Mourne_> Yeah, it sucks. I can't play SMP T_T
#440 [02:16] <giblin967> I hear ya there Mourne
#441 [02:16] <giblin967> Gonna try something, brb
#442 [02:17] <xales> Mourne_: you could check the hosts file just to make sure that's not it...that's all I can think of
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#444 [02:17] <Mourne_> Where is this host file that you speak of?
#445 [02:18] <giblin967> mourne: Windows : C:\windows\system32\drivers\etc
#446 [02:18] <Mourne_> Ah, one of those.
#447 [02:19] <Mourne_> Hm, I just got a new error. I tried the Command Line login, said I couldn't connect to minecraft.net. Then I click play offline, and it says "Failed to login: user not premium"
#448 [02:20] <xales> what username did you use?
#449 [02:20] <Mourne_> Mourne
#450 [02:20] <Mourne_> I tried logging in on the website and it lets me log in just fine.
#451 [02:20] <xales> yeah..it thinks you are premium
#452 [02:20] <xales> that's weird
#453 [02:20] <xales> oh
#454 [02:20] <xales> play offline
#455 [02:21] <xales> if you are trying to login to a server after clicking play offline, you will get that error
#456 [02:21] <Mourne_> Ah, well, there went my hope.
#457 [02:22] <xales> Mourne_: I really can't think of a reason it would do that
#458 [02:22] <Mourne_> Earlier, the ping said I had 100% packet loss. Is the website blocking me?
#459 [02:22] <xales> No, it always does that
#460 [02:22] <xales> it rejects pings
#461 [02:22] <Mourne_> Ah.
#462 [02:22] <Mourne_> Well, this sucks.
#463 [02:23] <xales> actually, I have another thing to try
#464 [02:23] <Mourne_> I'm all ears.
#465 [02:23] <Mourne_> Well, eyes.
#466 [02:24] <giblin967> Running the server without Bukkit I get a null pointer error with many source file errors following it
#467 [02:24] <xales> download PuTTY (http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html - the first link, putty.exe) and use it to try to open a raw(telnet) connection to the server that the launcher tries to connect to
#468 [02:24] <xales> giblin967: can you pastebin the error?
#469 [02:25] <giblin967> sure thing, one minute.
#470 [02:26] <giblin967> Alright one minute, now it's not giving me any errors (had to replicate because I had to clear the console)
#471 [02:26] <Mourne_> The server I want to connect to, or the minecraft server?
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#473 [02:27] <giblin967> So it's something with Bukkit and my username
#474 [02:27] <xales> Mourne_: the minecraft server
#475 [02:27] <Mourne_> Alright
#476 [02:27] <xales> the idea is mostly to get the actual error, and see if it works with another program
#477 [02:27] <Mourne_> It crashed.
#478 [02:28] <xales> crashed?
#479 [02:28] <xales> crashed how? =/
#480 [02:29] <giblin967> http://pastebin.com/0Myqs8BR (That's the error stream with bukkit, since I can't replicate the vanilla error)
#481 [02:29] <Mourne_> Well, I tried using the "Telnet connection type" that you had up there, but it just closed.
#482 [02:29] <Mourne_> I tried the Raw, and I think it's working. But Minecraft isn't.
#483 [02:30] <xales> you clicked "Telnet' and it closed?
#484 [02:30] <DopeGhoti> giblin967: that looks like a corrupt chunk, possibly. Do any of your server mods affect the map?
#485 [02:30] <Mourne_> No. I clicked telnet, then opened, THEN it crashed.
#486 [02:30] <DopeGhoti> Also, you said you cannot replocate in Vanilla- what happens when you try?
#487 [02:30] <giblin967> Worldedit is used, but I'm not the only one useing it. Just the only one with problems
#488 [02:30] <Kealper> Mourne_: it didn't crash, whatever you connected to closed the connection
#489 [02:30] <xales> DopeGhoti: no...it's not a world thing
#490 [02:30] <giblin967> In Vanilla it runs fine
#491 [02:30] <Mourne_> Ah.
#492 [02:30] <xales> player-related stuff is in the stack
#493 [02:31] <xales> so...definately player related
#494 [02:31] <Mourne_> Well, maybe I just suck >.>
#495 [02:31] <xales> Mourne_: check "telnet" for the host put "login.minecraft.net" and 443 as the port
#496 [02:31] <Kealper> Mourne_: what are you trying to do anyways? lol
#497 [02:31] <Kealper> oh
#498 [02:31] <Kealper> nvm
#499 [02:31] <DopeGhoti> giblin967: If it runs fine in Vanilla, and you get that crash with Bukkit, it's almost definitely a Bukkit problem.
#500 [02:32] <xales> Kealper, fun fact
#501 [02:32] <xales> my laptop lags the entire system playing a 720p YouTube video
#502 [02:32] <Mourne_> I did that xales, and it closed immediatelys
#503 [02:32] <giblin967> @DopeGhoti Do you know enough about Bukkit though to figure out why it only affects me, and not the rest of my users.
#504 [02:32] <Mourne_> immediately*
#505 [02:32] <xales> my desktop plays it with no lag even while Minecraft is open, and Steam is running =/
#506 [02:32] <Kealper> xales: yours can play youtube videos at all? lol
#507 [02:32] <xales> Mourne_: there should be an option (either on the main window, or in one of the subareas on the left) to "automatically close window". set it to Never
#508 [02:33] <Kealper> the craptop i've got literally won't play 720p youtube videos.....uses too much graphics memory
#509 [02:33] <Kealper> it chugs along on 360p ones ._.
#510 [02:33] <DopeGhoti> giblin967: sorry, no; I don't run any mods for (in part) exactly this sort of reason.
#511 [02:33] <giblin967> Just had an idea to test the inbrowser and it doesn't produce the errors
#512 [02:33] <GreyVulpine> Keallllpperrr.... redstone's messing up again
#513 [02:34] <DopeGhoti> GreyVulpine: how so?
#514 [02:34] <Kealper> GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
#515 [02:34] <GreyVulpine> kealper's server like to much on redstone logic
#516 [02:34] <Mourne_> Ok, I did, and now all there is is a green box in a black command line.
#517 [02:34] <GreyVulpine> likes*
#518 [02:34] <Mourne_> And it says "Connection closed by remote host?
#519 [02:34] <Mourne_> host"*
#520 [02:34] <xales> does it immediately say that?
#521 [02:34] <xales> or after a few seconds
#522 [02:34] <DopeGhoti> Kealper's also running mods on his server that may interact with Redstone in inadvertent and unexpected ways (:
#523 [02:34] <Mourne_> And then network error:connection timed out
#524 [02:34] <xales> (or minutes)
#525 [02:34] <Mourne_> After a few seconds.
#526 [02:35] <GreyVulpine> he's only got a server wrapper
#527 [02:35] <GreyVulpine> No mods
#528 [02:35] <xales> is it more like 4 or 5 seconds, or more like 30 seconds?
#529 [02:35] <DopeGhoti> Fair enough. Looked like an elaborate wrapper. (:
#530 [02:35] <Mourne_> More like 10
#531 [02:35] <Kealper> it's vanilla and i;ve reinstalled the jar :/
#532 [02:35] <GreyVulpine> But this is only the second.. or third time in a few days
#533 [02:36] <Kealper> DopeGhoti: elabourate, but just STDIO lol
#534 [02:36] <GreyVulpine> Even vanilla 5-tick clocks get screwed up and don't pulse anymore.. and my redstone-powered iron doors don't work.
#535 [02:36] <giblin967> I tried removing the entire \.minecraft folder to no eval
#536 [02:36] <GreyVulpine> Makes it kinda hard to get inside with no power
#537 [02:36] <xales> Mourne_: try tracerouting it I guess -> Win+R -> "cmd" click run -> "tracert login.minecraft.net" -> pastebin output
#538 [02:37] <xales> giblin967: what happens when Bukkit is off?
#539 [02:38] <giblin967> The first time I tried it without bukkit I got a "null reference" error. Let me scan the log for it
#540 [02:38] <Mourne_> How do I copy out of the command prompt, when it's done?
#541 [02:38] <GreyVulpine> Right click on the command prompt, choose "mark"
#542 [02:38] <GreyVulpine> Highlight the relevant area, right click again
#543 [02:38] <GreyVulpine> Then paste into pastebin.com
#544 [02:39] <giblin967> http://pastebin.com/ViCDXJwR
#545 [02:39] <giblin967> However, after that reboot the server ran with no problems when I connected/disconnected multiple times.
#546 [02:39] <Mourne_> http://pastebin.com/3r13wgXm
#547 [02:39] <giblin967> Also, conencting to the bukkit server with the broswer client works fine.
#548 [02:41] <xales> Mourne_: hmm
#549 [02:41] <xales> well...something there raises a red flag
#550 [02:41] <Mourne_> That would be?
#551 [02:41] <xales> yeah, I'm surprised I didn't see that before
#552 [02:41] <xales> your IP is 66-11-102-183.wireless.static.netnitco.net
#553 [02:41] <xales> what kind of Internet connection is it? =/
#554 [02:42] <Mourne_> What kind?
#555 [02:42] <xales> yeah
#556 [02:42] <xales> Cable, DSL, 4g/wimax/whateverweirdwirelessthing
#557 [02:42] <Mourne_> DSL
#558 [02:42] <Mourne_> Not as good, but that's closest
#559 [02:42] <xales> that's really weird
#560 [02:43] <xales> because that address says you are on a wireless connection
#561 [02:43] <Mourne_> I'm not :s
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#563 [02:43] <xales> not wireless like wifi, but that the connection itself is wireless, like the internet on a cell phone =/
#564 [02:43] <Mourne_> Well, yes. We're on a dish
#565 [02:44] <Mourne_> Our internet comes from a dish, and then I get my internet through the LAN
#566 [02:44] <giblin967> Mourne did that traceroute finish, or did you kill it at that line?
#567 [02:44] <xales> oh, so it's satellite? didn't you say it was DSL?
#568 [02:44] <xales> giblin967: on Windows traceroutes never finish, once they start timing out that much. It's not smart enough to figure out the last hop
#569 [02:45] <DopeGhoti> xales: Some Dish salesmonkeys call it "DSL" without saying it stands for "Dish Sattelite Link" or some s[bleep]t.
#570 [02:45] <giblin967> Not true, it depends on what you're going to.
#571 [02:45] <xales> DopeGhoti: :o first I've heard of that
#572 [02:45] <DopeGhoti> xales: I've fielded several calls from them (I have Dish for TV, but will keep my cable internet, TYVM).
#573 [02:46] <Mourne_> But yeah. My internet sucks :P
#574 [02:46] <xales> Mourne_: it appears that your ISP is actually blocking the connection =/
#575 [02:46] <DopeGhoti> (Interestingly, two of the calls were successfully ended with some form of "I play games." "Oh, then.. yeah, bye."
#576 [02:46] <giblin967> If it's satelite that's highly likely
#577 [02:46] <xales> DopeGhoti: :P
#578 [02:46] <Mourne_> That's the final option, that they're blocking it?
#579 [02:46] <xales> Mourne_: well, the traceroute pretty much indicates that
#580 [02:47] <Mourne_> They've never done that before.
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#582 [02:47] <xales> ISPs, particularly in America, get progressively worse as time goes on
#583 [02:47] <giblin967> Mourne_ Do you have a cap with your ISP contract?
#584 [02:47] <DopeGhoti> It's not that they're blocking it, per se, it's that they just don't carry much in the way of inbound packets to your home that aren't part of a transaction initiated from your end.
#585 [02:47] <xales> particularly bad examples: Comcast, TimeWarner
#586 [02:47] <DopeGhoti> Sattelite connections often do this.
#587 [02:48] <Mourne_> Also, my traceroute went up to 30 hops, I think it was called. It said request timed out after 7
#588 [02:48] <Mourne_> All the way up to the 30.
#589 [02:48] <FFLaguna> TimeWarner in NC was trafficshaping
#590 [02:48] <FFLaguna> It was pretty bad
#591 [02:48] <FFLaguna> NC = north carolina
#592 [02:48] <giblin967> Right then it's getting dropped somewhere in internet router'ville
#593 [02:48] <FFLaguna> They were trafficshaping torrents, I couldn't get hardly anything
#594 [02:48] <Carmen> creating a house underwater, at the bottom of nevercast's server. Fun. I dont remember when we started x.x
#595 [02:48] <DopeGhoti> Mourne_: not surprising, more and more ISPs and backbones absorb ICMP, making traceroutes less and less useful :p
#596 [02:49] <Mourne_> Awesome.
#597 [02:49] <FFLaguna> Plus I was on an oversaturated node, so during lunchtime and after work in the evening pings went to shit and I couldn't play any FPS online
#598 [02:49] <Mourne_> That sucks.
#599 [02:50] <nevercast> Very fun :D
#600 [02:51] <Mourne_> So, would that be it then?
#601 [02:52] <giblin967> Does anyone have a RS of the older launcher?
#602 [02:52] <xales> RS?
#603 [02:52] <nevercast> giblin967, Older launcher is bad
#604 [02:52] <giblin967> rapidshare
#605 [02:52] <nevercast> xales, Rapidshare
#606 [02:52] <xales> oh
#607 [02:52] <Kealper> eew
#608 [02:52] <nevercast> giblin967, Don't use the old launcher
#609 [02:53] <nevercast> giblin967, Don't use rapidshare!
#610 [02:53] <giblin967> Somewhere, there is data from my laucher being passed incorrectly to my server
#611 [02:53] <xales> giblin967: if it's working when the server is not running Bukkit
#612 [02:53] <xales> then one of the mods is the problem
#613 [02:53] <giblin967> It works with bukkit from the browser
#614 [02:53] <nevercast> xales, 1.3 runs fine with bukkit
#615 [02:53] <nevercast> xales, everyone on my server has the latest launcher
#616 [02:53] <nevercast> and I use bucket
#617 [02:54] <xales> giblin967: it doesn't matter where it works; if turning off Bukkit fixes the problem, then you know one of the plugins is causing it
#618 [02:54] <DopeGhoti> (or Bukkit itself)
#619 [02:54] <xales> nevercast: I'm not saying Bukkit doesn't work, but it sounds like it or one of the mods is causing the problem
#620 [02:54] <giblin967> It's something that's being passed into bukkit though
#621 [02:54] <Mourne_> Alright, well, I'm gonna head off. Thank you for your time and patience Xales.
#622 [02:55] <xales> Mourne_: no problem. good luck getting it to work if you want to pursue that
#623 [02:55] <Mourne_> Thanks. I'll need it. Good night, everyone.
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#626 [02:59] <Paka> howdy.
#627 [02:59] <xales> hi
#628 [02:59] <Paka> trying to find information about a mob spawner/tower trap
#629 [03:00] <Paka> was using a design by Bucyruss, but it seems that's out of date.
#630 [03:00] <Paka> id anything chang ein 1.3?
#631 [03:00] <Paka> erm, did anything change in?
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#634 [03:00] <xales> wow...someone who actually needs help with the game, not technical help with why it doesn't work or how to hoest a server <.<
#635 [03:00] <shedblood2build> can i talk
#636 [03:00] <xales> that's really rare for here
#637 [03:00] <Paka> lol
#638 [03:00] <shedblood2build> i need a home server
#639 [03:00] <Paka> I'm running a server just fine :)
#640 [03:00] <xales> ??> shedblood2build irc
#641 [03:00] <shedblood2build> anyone gont one
#642 [03:00] <VoxelHead> shedblood2build: (irc) For IRC help, you should ask in the channel #help - you can get there using the command "/join #help"
#643 [03:00] <VoxelHead> shedblood2build: (irc) If you can't talk in #minecraft ("Cannot send to channel") you must register your IRC nickname, using the command "/msg NickServ REGISTER password email". Remember to use a valid email. Go to #help if you need further assistance with this
#644 [03:01] <Paka> that's what this channel is for, right xales?
#645 [03:01] <shedblood2build> someone can i have a homeserver where i can chill
#646 [03:01] <Paka> or did I misunderstand
#647 [03:01] <xales> shedblood2build: http://mcserverlist.net/
#648 [03:01] <Paka> and if so, wehre should I head to get the info I need? :)
#649 [03:01] <xales> Paka: no, this channel is for help with the actual game
#650 [03:01] <GreyVulpine> Nope, we've just have more people ask about the technical side of minecraft, more than the actual game itself
#651 [03:01] <Paka> ah
#652 [03:01] <GreyVulpine> But we provide help for both aspects
#653 [03:01] <Paka> heh
#654 [03:02] <Paka> well, awesome :)
#655 [03:02] <firerat> Every time I host my server and then try to join it my internet goes down... any ideas how to fix?
#656 [03:02] <Paka> So. I had a tower set up using this schematic: http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=55552
#657 [03:02] <giblin967> Be back guys, gotta restart the browser
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#659 [03:02] <Paka> but since the patch, drop rates slowed drasdtically.
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#661 [03:02] <Paka> not sure why
#662 [03:02] <xales> Paka: I can't really give you a good answer; I don't have as much time to play as I would like and so I'm a bit behind with actual content stuff
#663 [03:02] <Paka> hehe
#664 [03:02] <GreyVulpine> Wait.. the 0,0 spawn trap?
#665 [03:02] <xales> firerat: it's a known issue, not much can be done about it
#666 [03:02] <GreyVulpine> That's been fixed a LONG time ago
#667 [03:02] <Paka> well
#668 [03:03] <Paka> GreyVulpine: the 0,0 part I understand was fixed
#669 [03:03] * GreyVulpine nods
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#670 [03:03] <firerat> Oh... nothing to fix it? is it a new issue since the minecraft.net started having problems?
#671 [03:03] <Paka> but it was still a working trap
#672 [03:03] <Paka> generally working.
#673 [03:03] <Paka> not 11k items/hr
#674 [03:03] * GreyVulpine looks again
#674 [03:03] <Paka> of course, but I was still getting a about 100/hr
#675 [03:03] <Paka> now I seem to be getting less than 50
#676 [03:04] <Kealper> i've got a map that is like 10k items/hr in sp
#677 [03:04] <shedblood2build> when i join a server what does no white listed mean
#678 [03:04] <xales> firerat: no, it's related to your networking hardware being unable to handle it
#679 [03:04] <xales> shedblood2build: it means they only want people they specifically allow to join
#680 [03:04] <Kealper> items just POUR out of the grinder lol
#681 [03:04] <firerat> A problem with my router?
#682 [03:04] <shedblood2build> oh okay
#683 [03:04] <xales> firerat: yes, router, possibly NIC
#684 [03:04] <shedblood2build> wh is it so hard to find a server
#685 [03:04] <firerat> alright
#686 [03:04] <xales> more likely the NIC, but it's possibly the router
#687 [03:04] <firerat> NIC?
#688 [03:04] <DopeGhoti> ??> shedblood2build smp/servers
#689 [03:04] <VoxelHead> shedblood2build: (smp/servers) This is by no means an official server list, but you can find a list of public servers here: http://minecraft.abyssal-legion.com/serverstatus/
#690 [03:04] <shedblood2build> howcoem i cant talk in minecraft
#691 [03:04] <Paka> Kealper: well, i'm primarily concerned iwth multiplayer.
#692 [03:05] <VoxelHead> shedblood2build: (smp/servers) You can also ask if there are any server admins in #SMP looking for new players.
#693 [03:05] <Kealper> Paka: ahh, yeah...no idea how well that map would do on smp
#694 [03:05] <GreyVulpine> Paka - Are you close enough that the chunks are loaded into memory, but far away enough (27 blocks, unlit) that monsters will spawn properly?
#695 [03:05] <shedblood2build> howcoem i cant talk in #minecraft
#696 [03:05] <GreyVulpine> shedblood2build - Your nick isn't registered
#697 [03:05] <DopeGhoti> ??> shedblood2build irc
#698 [03:05] <Kealper> ??> shedblood2build irc
#699 [03:05] <VoxelHead> shedblood2build: (irc) For IRC help, you should ask in the channel #help - you can get there using the command "/join #help"
#700 [03:05] <VoxelHead> shedblood2build: (irc) If you can't talk in #minecraft ("Cannot send to channel") you must register your IRC nickname, using the command "/msg NickServ REGISTER password email". Remember to use a valid email. Go to #help if you need further assistance with this
#701 [03:05] <Kealper> damnit
#702 [03:05] <VoxelHead> shedblood2build: (irc) For IRC help, you should ask in the channel #help - you can get there using the command "/join #help"
#703 [03:05] <VoxelHead> shedblood2build: (irc) If you can't talk in #minecraft ("Cannot send to channel") you must register your IRC nickname, using the command "/msg NickServ REGISTER password email". Remember to use a valid email. Go to #help if you need further assistance with this
#704 [03:05] <GreyVulpine> Only people with registered nicks, can talk
#705 [03:05] <GreyVulpine> Good god that bot can be spammy at times
#706 [03:06] <DopeGhoti> Okay, time to work on that limiter.
#707 [03:06] <Kealper> please lol
#708 [03:06] <Paka> I believe so..., GreyVulpine
#709 [03:06] <firerat> what is NIC?
#710 [03:06] <Paka> Network Interface Card
#711 [03:06] <Kealper> Network Interface card
#712 [03:06] <Paka> your network card.
#713 [03:06] <Kealper> gah
#714 [03:06] <firerat> I didnt have a problem before but I moved and have a new router here... maybe is the problem?
#715 [03:07] <shedblood2build> can someone put me into a step to step process on registering to talk in #mnecraft
#716 [03:07] <GreyVulpine> Paka - If you really wanted to get a good mob spawn trap, a little map editing to put in some mob spawners would go a LONG way
#717 [03:07] <GreyVulpine> shedblood2build - First, type /msg nickserve REGISTER password email
#718 [03:07] <shedblood2build> what?
#719 [03:07] <nevercast> *nickserv
#720 [03:07] <Paka> GreyVulpine: I'm on a server with a close group of friends, and we're very adamant about not using anything that might resemble "hax"
#721 [03:07] <shedblood2build> i dont understand
#722 [03:07] <Paka> heh
#723 [03:07] <GreyVulpine> Paka - Ah
#724 [03:08] <Paka> GreyVulpine: the closest we do is chest protection (we run in offline mode, so want to protect some of our goods) and stargates
#725 [03:08] <Kealper> shedblood2build: click on this text: #help
#726 [03:08] <GreyVulpine> shedblood2build - Type this, replacing the password and email fields with whatever you have
#727 [03:08] <Paka> actually, those are the ONLY two mods we run
#728 [03:08] <GreyVulpine> /msg nickserv REGISTER password email
#729 [03:08] <GreyVulpine> That'll register you to nickserv
#730 [03:10] <shedblood2build> i never got a code to my thing
#731 [03:10] <shedblood2build> to my emial
#732 [03:10] <GreyVulpine> What service do you use? Can you check your SPAM folder?
#733 [03:10] <shedblood2build> hotmail
#734 [03:10] <shedblood2build> and yes
#735 [03:10] <shedblood2build> notin
#736 [03:10] <giblin967> A little more information, the errors are causing chunks to stop loading and me to disconnect.
#737 [03:10] <Kealper> wow he can type fast
#738 [03:11] <DopeGhoti> ??>> shedblood2build irc/flood
#739 [03:11] <Kealper> press the enter key less >.>
#740 [03:11] <aetherian> ??>!
#741 [03:11] <Kealper> DopeGhoti: you should alias ??>> as ??> sinceeveryone does it
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#745 [03:12] <DopeGhoti> Kealper: ??> and ??>> both have distinct uses, which is why both exist, and behave differently.
#746 [03:12] <relsqui> if I have a trough of still water, two deep, with the water's edge flush with surrounding land, will a monster that falls in be able to climb out?
#747 [03:12] <Kealper> ahh, i thought it was just a typo
#748 [03:13] <Kealper> ??>> Kealper irc
#749 [03:13] <DopeGhoti> It send the FAQ out-of-channel to the intended target.
#750 [03:13] <Kealper> that's cool :o
#751 [03:14] <Kealper> but AuBot already sends a notice to the user when it mutes them, saying they were muted for triggering flood protection and they will be unmuted automatically in x seconds
#752 [03:14] <DopeGhoti> I see.
#753 [03:16] <Kealper> what is herobrine? and why isn't it Wonton >.>
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#755 [03:17] <Kealper> oh....it's the old C bot
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#760 [03:32] <nevercast> Carmen, That mob platform has lagged me out ae
#761 [03:33] <Kreiger> Any of you know a key combo to shut down windows?
#762 [03:33] <nevercast> Windows?
#763 [03:33] <nevercast> Hmm
#764 [03:33] <Kreiger> the OS
#765 [03:33] <nevercast> NO
#766 [03:33] <xales> hold the powet button? =/
#767 [03:33] <Kealper> uhh
#768 [03:33] <Kreiger> I could do that
#769 [03:33] <Kreiger> but that requires getting out of my chair
#770 [03:34] <Kealper> spam alt+f4 until all your windows are closed, then it will bring up the shutdown options
#771 [03:34] <Kealper> from there you can probably just press enter
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#773 [03:34] <Bob_Sack> does anyone here use big brother on their bukkit server?
#774 [03:34] <Kealper> (not trying to troll you, that actually does that)
#775 [03:34] <xales> ?? mods
#776 [03:34] <VoxelHead> mods: This channel is not a venue for support with third-party mods. For assistance with Bukkit, check #Bukkit
#777 [03:34] <VoxelHead> mods: You will find a lot of information here: http://tiny.cc/gentle-mod-install-tut Also, for forther assistance with many other mods, check #RisuCraft - mod help here is more likely once the official API is revealed.
#778 [03:34] <Kealper> lol he left
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#785 [03:51] <Rollout> hello?
#786 [03:52] <Szernex> Ohai
#787 [03:52] <Rollout> hai
#788 [03:52] <Rollout> i'm building something and i have a question
#789 [03:53] <Szernex> Dunno if I can answer it, but ask away, maybe someone else will read it ;)
#790 [03:53] <Rollout> is there any way to get a glowing effect for different colors?
#791 [03:54] <DopeGhoti> Rollout: not without mods, at present.
#792 [03:54] <Rollout> okay then, thanks
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#796 [03:58] <mr_evil> Hey
#797 [03:58] <mr_evil> My friend is attempting to host a server, but we are having difficulty connecting.
#798 [03:59] <xales> what is the difficulty?
#799 [03:59] <mr_evil> Normal, I belive.
#800 [03:59] <Szernex> xD
#801 [03:59] <mr_evil> believe*
#802 [03:59] <Szernex> That just made my day.
#803 [03:59] <Kealper> ._.
#804 [04:00] <Diabo> mr_evil: local or over the internet?
#805 [04:00] <mr_evil> internet.
#806 [04:00] <Diabo> open up ports in the router/fw?
#807 [04:00] <xales> what IP are you trying to connect with?
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#809 [04:01] <mr_evil> We tried the external IP port forwarding. I think it worked but whenever we try to start, it says "you need to login"
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#811 [04:01] <Diabo> mr_evil: you got online mode=true ?
#812 [04:01] <mr_evil> We are logged in both online version and the download version
#813 [04:01] <Diabo> ok
#814 [04:01] <mr_evil> It just wont connect
#815 [04:02] <xales> oh
#816 [04:02] <xales> ?? needlogin
#817 [04:02] <xales> DopeGhoti
#818 [04:02] <xales> what did you rename that too ._.
#819 [04:02] <xales> to*
#820 [04:02] <DopeGhoti> yes?
#821 [04:02] <DopeGhoti> ah
#822 [04:02] <xales> ??> mr_evil smp/needlogin
#823 [04:02] <VoxelHead> mr_evil: (smp/needlogin) If you get the message "Kicking /IP: You need to log in!" when joining a server, you are attempting to join a Classic server.
#824 [04:02] <VoxelHead> mr_evil: (smp/needlogin) If you are running the server, you downloaded the wrong software. The correct software is on the same page where you download the client.
#825 [04:03] <mr_evil> We got the software off the site.
#826 [04:03] <xales> you got it off the wrong page then
#827 [04:03] <mr_evil> Mmk.
#828 [04:03] <xales> the software from the page listing Classic servers is for creating a classic server
#829 [04:03] <mr_evil> Ill redownload
#830 [04:03] <xales> the software from the beta downloads page is for beta servers :)
#831 [04:05] <Zzzz> ..oops
#832 [04:05] <Zzzz> that was supposed to be /away, not /nick. I really am tired.
#833 [04:05] <xales> I think you accidentallied the nick change again
#834 [04:06] <xales> GLaDOS: I used accidentallied and I'm not you :o
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#837 [04:08] <jasper> Hello
#838 [04:08] <xales> hi
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#842 [04:14] <jasper> Xales I told the IT guy but I don't think he knows what to do.
#843 [04:15] <jasper> I told him to port 25565 for my unit.
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#845 [04:15] <jasper> He looked clueless,I am going to go there in awhile so what ip adress should I tell him to port it to?
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#852 [04:29] <raisin> Are there any third parties who sell Minecard giftcards trough a paybyphone service? i want to buy the game but Paypal requires Visa in my country and i don't want to get a credit card just to get the game.
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#855 [04:32] <aetherian> night
#856 [04:34] <Pacer> raisin, can't you just purchase one of those visa giftcards, or whatever they're called?
#857 [04:35] <Szernex> Hmm, the clocks entirely made with redstone repeaters are nice and all, but they stop working when you quit and log back in in SP
#858 [04:36] <raisin> No such thing where i live i'm afraid, guess i'm just screwed untill notch comes with another payment option
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#860 [04:50] <Kealper> GreyVulpine: does this sound like the issue on my server? http://getsatisfaction.com/mojang/topics/redstone_circuits_are_stuck_when_world_is_loaded
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#862 [04:53] <Kealper> hmm....doesn't seem to be the same problem, but one guy in that posted a video of exactly what happens on my server
#863 [04:53] <Kealper> where it's like it burns out, but it stays burned out until the torch is replaced :/
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#865 [04:56] <lemon-rev> has anyone come across a neet little bug possibly by lava being close by i have a spot with no visible light but yet theres a light source more powerfull than torch ?
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#870 [04:59] <GreyVulpine> Kealper - Yeah, that kinda looks like what happens with mine
#871 [04:59] * GreyVulpine is looking at the video'
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#873 [05:07] <Kealper> GreyVulpine: http://gsfn.us/t/2354v
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#875 [05:10] <Kealper> really weird thing about that....is that was originally reported a month ago, and it looks like some people are starting to get it again.....maybe something jeb poked at made an old bug rise from the ashes :/
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#878 [05:12] <ChuckyFreak> hello
#879 [05:12] <ChuckyFreak> i have a question
#880 [05:12] <Kealper> actually, i found one with a more recent date....i'll move my report to there
#881 [05:12] <Kealper> ChuckyFreak: fire away
#882 [05:12] <ChuckyFreak> some people say when i bought the alpha key i never must pay for any comming feature
#883 [05:12] <ChuckyFreak> is it true?
#884 [05:12] <Kealper> correct
#885 [05:13] <ChuckyFreak> ok thank you =)
#886 [05:13] <Kealper> np
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#888 [05:17] <Kealper> http://gsfn.us/t/24yde <-- that link
#889 [05:18] <GreyVulpine> Hmmm
#890 [05:19] <GreyVulpine> I dunno kealper.. It affects all my torches
#891 [05:20] <Kealper> so it's just getting worse as time goes on? because i know i've seen it where it just affects certain ones
#892 [05:21] <GreyVulpine> I guess you can make the argument that an AND gate's output is just a NOT gate as well.....
#893 [05:21] <GreyVulpine> But ehh..
#894 [05:21] <Kealper> well, that issue being reported is more about torches burning out after getting power...
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#896 [05:22] <Kealper> and i don't feel like making a new post about it if there is already one that looks like this issue :/
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#903 [05:40] <Micki93> hej
#904 [05:40] <adaso> hi
#905 [05:40] <Micki93> can anyuone help me? i cant log on to my acount anymore.
#906 [05:40] <adaso> on minecraft.net
#907 [05:40] <adaso> ?
#908 [05:40] <Micki93> yeah minecraft overall
#909 [05:41] <Micki93> the homepage and the game
#910 [05:41] <adaso> sometimes its stuck for heavy traffic
#911 [05:42] <Micki93> its been that for some days. so its not just today
#912 [05:42] <adaso> some change in the router/ firewall?
#913 [05:43] <Micki93> and can u change your game name in anyway?
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#915 [05:43] <adaso> as far as I know : not
#916 [05:43] <SinZ> only with serverside mods
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#918 [05:46] <Micki93> no changes in the routher and firewall
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#920 [05:51] <mib_135eun> germs?
#921 [05:51] <mib_135eun> i need help
#922 [05:51] <nevercast> mib_135eun, with?
#923 [05:51] <mib_135eun> minecart mania
#924 [05:51] <nevercast> err
#925 [05:51] <nevercast> is that a mod
#926 [05:51] <mib_135eun> yes
#927 [05:52] <mib_135eun> for minecraft
#928 [05:52] <nevercast> We don't support mods round these parts
#929 [05:52] <nevercast> It's for core client and server
#930 [05:52] <mib_135eun> k
#931 [05:52] <nevercast> there is too much trouble with 3rd party software for us to handle it
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#934 [05:58] <adaso> question: what can i do if the conversion to scaevolus McRegion stops ?
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#936 [06:00] <adaso> does someone know the issue?
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#938 [06:05] <Sparhawk> I have a problem with minecraft.. Everything was ok till today.. Now when I trying to run minecraft, I only see blackscreen and after that games quits.. I even try delete appdata/.minecraft dir, but without luck :( I tryed reinstall Java as well but still the same.. When I trying to run in broswer, I only see white screen :( Any suggestions?
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#941 [06:21] <rostockz> hi
#942 [06:21] <rostockz> does anyone here have experience with creating a minecraftt multiplayer server?
#943 [06:22] <GreyVulpine> Perhaps
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#945 [06:25] <AG_Clinton> I have more than I want..
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#948 [06:44] <nevercast> AG_Clinton.
#949 [06:44] <nevercast> GreyVulpine, Got experience with Mob traps?
#950 [06:45] <GreyVulpine> Not.. really.
#951 [06:45] <AG_Clinton> nevercast: Yes?
#952 [06:46] <GreyVulpine> Ever since spiders can now climb walls, my mob traps are obsolete
#953 [06:46] <nevercast> AG_Clinton, How much is it going to increase my server to 2gig and 2vcpu
#954 [06:47] <AG_Clinton> PM me what you have right now.
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#958 [06:58] <maik> hi
#959 [06:58] <GreyVulpine> 'lo
#960 [06:58] <maik> who can help me ?
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#962 [06:58] <GreyVulpine> With?
#963 [06:59] <Able-XPS> Hi
#964 [07:00] <maik> since 1.3 my world isnt working since this day i hang in the world and nothing works, and i cant move
#965 [07:00] <Able-XPS> I've got a Problem running a server
#966 [07:01] <GreyVulpine> maik - Have you tried generating a new world?
#967 [07:01] <maik> no, wait i will do it
#968 [07:02] <Able-XPS> I downloaded the serverprogram today, but when i try to connect minecraft just shuts down
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#970 [07:02] <GreyVulpine> Able-XPS - "Shuts down"? Just closes? No errors?
#971 [07:02] <Able-XPS> yes
#972 [07:02] <maik> it works, but i need my world :(
#973 [07:03] <GreyVulpine> maik - If you can't recover it with MCedit, then it's pretty much lost.
#974 [07:03] <Able-XPS> sometimes there is an error like "java.io.UTFDataFormatException: malformed input around byte 14
#975 [07:04] <maik> there comes also an error that says that i have the world two times or something like that, but thats wrong
#976 [07:04] <Able-XPS> server log says: Able_XPS lost connection: disconnect.generic Reason
#977 [07:04] <GreyVulpine> Able-XPS - Are you running the latest server? 1.3?
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#979 [07:04] <Able-XPS> yes, server says Beta 1.3 and i downloaded it an hour ago
#980 [07:05] <Able-XPS> i can connect to internet servers, so its not a client problem i guess
#981 [07:06] <GreyVulpine> Is it modded in any way?
#982 [07:06] <Able-XPS> no
#983 [07:07] <GreyVulpine> Are you running the client on the same machine as the server?
#984 [07:07] <Able-XPS> yes
#985 [07:07] <GreyVulpine> Specs of the machine?
#986 [07:07] <Able-XPS> core i5 750, 8gig ram
#987 [07:07] <GreyVulpine> Nice and beefy.. hmm
#988 [07:08] <GreyVulpine> Do you happen to have a second machine which you can run the server on seperately?
#989 [07:09] <Able-XPS> just a netbook with atom cpu, but i'll try that
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#991 [07:10] <DarthVaderLT> #help
#992 [07:11] <ConMan8> Now it's a channel !
#993 [07:20] <Able-XPS> server on netbook works, but is laggy as hell
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#995 [07:23] <esper_bluald> Hi
#996 [07:23] <GreyVulpine> Yeah. Running a server at the same time as a client has always raised some problems. The introduction of 1.3 has made SMP servers suck up even more resources, and have introduced some game-crippling lag.
#997 [07:23] <esper_bluald> Is this the Channel for modding questions?
#998 [07:23] <GreyVulpine> That atom already is an underpowered, under-clocked machine.
#999 [07:23] <GreyVulpine> esper_bluald - What kind of modding?
#1000 [07:23] <esper_bluald> source code
#1001 [07:23] <GreyVulpine> You might want to try #risucraft for that
#1002 [07:23] <esper_bluald> thanks
#1003 [07:24] <Able-XPS> ok thanks for your help, maybe i'll try a virtual machine for hosting the server
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#1007 [07:31] <disc> how do i play minecraft
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#1009 [07:34] <disc> ?
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#1018 [08:04] <Tobi> hey
#1019 [08:05] <halfdragon> hi
#1020 [08:07] <Tobi> i got a error message. :/
#1021 [08:08] <theunleet> !isdown minecraft.net
#1022 [08:08] <theunleet> wtf where is the bot
#1023 [08:08] <Tobi> What means: "outdatet server"
#1024 [08:09] <Tobi> ?
#1025 [08:09] <theunleet> my minecraft is crawling
#1026 [08:09] <theunleet> so slow
#1027 [08:09] <Tobi> but it works!
#1028 [08:10] <Tobi> why cant i connect to my server
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#1030 [08:10] <GreyVulpine> Tobi - Means your server is outdated, or old
#1031 [08:10] <GreyVulpine> You need to update it by redownloading the server from minecraft.net
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#1033 [08:11] <Tobi> give me a moment....
#1034 [08:12] <Tobi> you mean the server.jar file?
#1035 [08:12] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#1036 [08:13] <Tobi> which of them?
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#1038 [08:13] <Tobi> the first or the second?
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#1040 [08:14] <GreyVulpine> What do you mean?
#1041 [08:15] <Tobi> there are two "minecraft server.jar" files
#1042 [08:15] <GreyVulpine> ... where?
#1043 [08:18] <Tobi> http://www.minecraft.net/download.jsp
#1044 [08:18] <ItsCriminal> hey, is skin upload not working anymore?
#1045 [08:18] <ItsCriminal> ResponseCode: 400, ResponseStatus: Bad Request
#1046 [08:18] <GreyVulpine> ItsCriminal - You using minecraftskins.com?
#1047 [08:18] <ItsCriminal> and i take the once from www.minecraftskins.com
#1048 [08:18] <ItsCriminal> yes GreyVulpine
#1049 [08:19] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, don't use minecraftskins to upload directly, it hasn't worked since mojang switched servers to amazon
#1050 [08:19] <ItsCriminal> but manualy i can't upload the picture
#1051 [08:19] <GreyVulpine> Download it from minecraftskins, and use your profile page at minecraft.net to upload
#1052 [08:19] <GreyVulpine> It does work, even though it doesn't show a preview
#1053 [08:19] <GreyVulpine> Check in-game
#1054 [08:19] <ItsCriminal> ohh cool thank you i will try
#1055 [08:20] <GreyVulpine> Tobi - There's only one minecraft.jar file there
#1056 [08:20] <GreyVulpine> http://www.minecraft.net/download.jsp
#1057 [08:20] <ItsCriminal> yeah worked :D
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#1059 [08:20] <GreyVulpine> I don't see two minecraft_server.jar files at http://www.minecraft.net/download.jsp
#1060 [08:20] <Tobi> i mean
#1061 [08:20] <Tobi> the minecraft server.jar files
#1062 [08:21] <GreyVulpine> There's only one there.
#1063 [08:21] <Tobi> the first one is just for windows, isnt it?
#1064 [08:21] <GreyVulpine> Oh, the minecraft_server.exe is the executable-wrapped jar for windows, yes
#1065 [08:21] <GreyVulpine> The minecraft_server.jar is just the plain jar file
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#1068 [08:22] <BeefyX> HEY
#1069 [08:22] <BeefyX> anyone here?
#1070 [08:22] <GreyVulpine> Nope
#1071 [08:22] <BeefyX> i need help
#1072 [08:22] <BeefyX> :)
#1073 [08:22] <BeefyX> with minecraft
#1074 [08:22] <BeefyX> i am a new user
#1075 [08:22] <BeefyX> and i downloaded Minecraft.exe for windows
#1076 [08:22] <BeefyX> i registered
#1077 [08:22] <BeefyX> with right email
#1078 [08:22] <BeefyX> and i logged in
#1079 [08:22] <BeefyX> into launcher
#1080 [08:22] <BeefyX> and then it says "user is not premium"
#1081 [08:22] <BeefyX> and when i try to play offline
#1082 [08:23] <ItsCriminal> u need to pay the beta game
#1083 [08:23] <BeefyX> it says
#1084 [08:23] <GreyVulpine> Did you pay for premium?
#1085 [08:23] <BeefyX> (not downloaded)
#1086 [08:23] <BeefyX> no
#1087 [08:23] <BeefyX> i didnt pay
#1088 [08:23] <BeefyX> (not yet)
#1089 [08:23] <GreyVulpine> Then you can't play beta
#1090 [08:23] <BeefyX> but i want to buy it next week ;(
#1091 [08:23] <BeefyX> reallyy ;(
#1092 [08:23] <GreyVulpine> You'll be able to play when you pay for it
#1093 [08:23] <BeefyX> i didnt play it anytime, why should i pay for a game, i didnt tested?
#1094 [08:23] <BeefyX> i mean, i dont know how to play, or if it makes fun
#1095 [08:23] <BeefyX> ^^
#1096 [08:24] <BeefyX> you understand?
#1097 [08:24] <GreyVulpine> Try going to a restaurant, and saying, "I don't need to pay, because I don't know what food is good"
#1098 [08:24] <BeefyX> O.O
#1099 [08:24] <BeefyX> no really, i watched videos and i think i gonna like it, because some of my friends like it too, but my father made me a paypal account, and i wanted to buy right now. Problem: he didnt allow me to buy now ;(
#1100 [08:25] <BeefyX> does anyone know a soloution?
#1101 [08:25] <GreyVulpine> Try playing "Classic" on the website
#1102 [08:25] <nevercast> BeefyX, Buy later and player later
#1103 [08:25] <GreyVulpine> http://www.minecraft.net/
#1104 [08:25] <BeefyX> ahh asdaslfdjhaksfh ;( im pissed off
#1105 [08:25] <GreyVulpine> That one's free
#1106 [08:25] <BeefyX> ehm i got another idea
#1107 [08:25] <BeefyX> can i make my own server?
#1108 [08:25] <BeefyX> and play for free on it?
#1109 [08:25] <nevercast> no
#1110 [08:25] <nevercast> lol.
#1111 [08:25] <GreyVulpine> You'll still need to pay to play beta
#1112 [08:25] <theunleet> negativ
#1113 [08:25] <theunleet> e
#1114 [08:25] <BeefyX> i got an idea
#1115 [08:25] <BeefyX> i got a root server
#1116 [08:25] <BeefyX> ;)
#1117 [08:25] <nevercast> O.o
#1118 [08:25] <BeefyX> you can use it
#1119 [08:25] <nevercast> So
#1120 [08:25] <GreyVulpine> Root server?
#1121 [08:26] <BeefyX> if you want
#1122 [08:26] <theunleet> you need to pay to even play beta
#1123 [08:26] <nevercast> you need to pay for everything :D
#1124 [08:26] <BeefyX> if you want to use my root, ill need a account :)
#1125 [08:26] <theunleet> wont let you login to it
#1126 [08:26] <GreyVulpine> BeefyX - There is no way around paying to play.
#1127 [08:26] <nevercast> !paid nevercast
#1128 [08:26] <BeefyX> I HAVE TO PAY FOR MY LIFE?
#1129 [08:26] <theunleet> !paid theunleet
#1130 [08:26] <BeefyX> ok another idea: lets google for cracked! BYE
#1131 [08:26] <GreyVulpine> Bye
#1132 [08:26] <theunleet> !paid Beefyx
#1133 [08:26] <nevercast> BeefyX, No your parents spend about $250,000 from age zero to age 18.. it seems they pay for your life
#1134 [08:26] <nevercast> yor the first of it
#1135 [08:26] <GreyVulpine> He's gone
#1136 [08:27] <theunleet> he was dumb
#1137 [08:27] <nevercast> Lol you don't need to crack it
#1138 [08:27] <GreyVulpine> He'll be back once he's paid for the client, and the cracked one messes up his ability to update
#1139 [08:27] <nevercast> you just have to play offline :D
#1140 [08:27] <theunleet> even with "cracked" minecraft it still didnt work right
#1141 [08:27] <nevercast> I got it working without a valid login in 30 seconds
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#1143 [08:27] <nevercast> it's a piece of piss
#1144 [08:27] <theunleet> i must have had a shit one
#1145 [08:28] <nevercast> theunleet, I didn't download cracks
#1146 [08:28] <nevercast> I used what I already had
#1147 [08:28] <theunleet> anyways im going back to sleep, i will be on your server later
#1148 [08:28] <TobeMan> Hey all! I have a question about setting up a server.
#1149 [08:28] <GreyVulpine> Shoot
#1150 [08:28] <nevercast> TobeMan, What's the question :D
#1151 [08:28] * theunleet shoots GreyVulpine
#1151 [08:28] <TobeMan> Is there any plugins you reckommend or should the server be as "clean" as possible?
#1152 [08:29] <theunleet> McAdmin
#1153 [08:29] <nevercast> You want protection
#1154 [08:29] <GreyVulpine> Officially, we can only recommend a clean, vanilla server.
#1155 [08:29] <theunleet> MyMcAdmin
#1156 [08:29] <nevercast> Which isn't free btw
#1157 [08:29] <nevercast> so ignore that
#1158 [08:29] <TobeMan> What does vabilla stand for?
#1159 [08:29] <GreyVulpine> Mods aren't supported right now, and can cause problems when official updates roll out, and the mods aren't
#1160 [08:29] <TobeMan> vanilla*
#1161 [08:29] <nevercast> vanilla means original
#1162 [08:29] <GreyVulpine> vanilla, plain.
#1163 [08:29] <TobeMan> ahhh :)
#1164 [08:29] <GreyVulpine> original, unmodded
#1165 [08:29] <GreyVulpine> Like vanilla ice cream
#1166 [08:30] <TobeMan> he he
#1167 [08:30] <nevercast> Nom
#1168 [08:30] <nevercast> I want ice cream
#1169 [08:30] <theunleet> doesnt matter, i still recommend a paid for plugin.
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#1171 [08:30] <TobeMan> Well I guess there isnt any need for a particular plugin.
#1172 [08:30] <nevercast> hmm
#1173 [08:30] <GreyVulpine> You can recommend all you want, officially, our stance is the original software is best
#1174 [08:30] <nevercast> hmmm
#1175 [08:30] <theunleet> http://phonicuk.com/Software/McMyAdmin.aspx
#1176 [08:30] <theunleet> True.
#1177 [08:30] <nevercast> My server backup isn't working
#1178 [08:30] <nevercast> :(
#1179 [08:31] <theunleet> it would not have saved that castle and our tunnels if it didnt?
#1180 [08:31] <nevercast> it WAS backing up
#1181 [08:31] <nevercast> I've broken it since then :)
#1182 [08:31] <TobeMan> ok well thankx for the adice. I will stick to the vanilla stuff for now :)
#1183 [08:31] <TobeMan> advice*
#1184 [08:32] * theunleet falls asleep
#1184 [08:32] <TobeMan> Another question...
#1185 [08:33] <TobeMan> Can I set an area where players cannot change anything, like a starting city?
#1186 [08:33] <nevercast> TobeMan, Only if you have plugins to do so
#1187 [08:34] <nevercast> or addons
#1188 [08:34] <nevercast> mods
#1189 [08:34] <nevercast> etc
#1190 [08:34] <TobeMan> ahh ok. So a Vanilla server is a little bit out of control then?
#1191 [08:35] <nevercast> I think something just clicked with me
#1192 [08:35] <nevercast> oh and you.. because vanilla has fuck all control
#1193 [08:35] <nevercast> you can.. say messages
#1194 [08:35] <nevercast> and turn it off
#1195 [08:35] <nevercast> and... change the time
#1196 [08:35] <nevercast> and that's about it
#1197 [08:35] <TobeMan> hmmm
#1198 [08:35] <GreyVulpine> giving, banning, whitelisting..
#1199 [08:36] <nevercast> oh and give people stuff
#1200 [08:36] <GreyVulpine> teleporting.
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#1202 [08:36] <nevercast> and banning too, but everything has banning
#1203 [08:36] <nevercast> oh and a horrible syntax for tp
#1204 [08:36] <nevercast> yes
#1205 [08:36] <Kreiger> Hey guys. does Cartographer work with SMP?
#1206 [08:36] <TobeMan> teleporting... really. I didnt find any teleport commands...
#1207 [08:36] <nevercast> /tp me you
#1208 [08:36] <GreyVulpine> /tp person1 person2
#1209 [08:36] <TobeMan> oh i thought that was an addon as well
#1210 [08:36] <nevercast> I think I know the problem!
#1211 [08:36] <nevercast> I think I know how to fix it
#1212 [08:37] <nevercast> $ rm wrapper.config
#1213 [08:37] <GreyVulpine> o.O
#1214 [08:37] <nevercast> I think there was a config error
#1215 [08:37] <nevercast> deleting it will create a valid default
#1216 [08:37] <nevercast> Nope
#1217 [08:37] <nevercast> still crashing on backup
#1218 [08:37] <nevercast> pile of shit
#1219 [08:38] <TobeMan> ok thanx for the tp command advice :)
#1220 [08:38] <TobeMan> see ya later all!
#1221 [08:38] <Kreiger> Any of you know a way of mapping SMP worlds?
#1222 [08:41] <Kreiger> Anybody here? :P
#1223 [08:42] <GreyVulpine> Looking, looking
#1224 [08:42] <GreyVulpine> https://github.com/brownan/Minecraft-Overviewer
#1225 [08:42] <GreyVulpine> Seems to be updated for 1.3
#1226 [08:42] <GreyVulpine> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Programs_and_Editors
#1227 [08:42] <GreyVulpine> So does Tectonicus
#1228 [08:43] <Kreiger> h. Danke GreyVulpine.
#1229 [08:43] <GreyVulpine> http://toolchain.eu/minecraft/c10t/ seems to kinda work
#1230 [08:43] <GreyVulpine> Looks like they have some minor problems
#1231 [08:43] <Kreiger> Lemme try Tect
#1232 [08:43] <GreyVulpine> Check their forums for more info on that
#1233 [08:45] <Kreiger> tectonicus seems to be a .jar
#1234 [08:45] <Kreiger> and running it doesn'
#1235 [08:45] <Kreiger> seem to.. want to work
#1236 [08:45] <Kreiger> hm
#1237 [08:45] <GreyVulpine> You need to run it with arguments
#1238 [08:46] <GreyVulpine> Check the last page of their forum for examples
#1239 [08:46] <GreyVulpine> http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1022&t=95739&start=1380
#1240 [08:46] <GreyVulpine> "c:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin\java.exe" -jar Tectonicus_v1.21.jar minecraftJar=C:\Users\Alpha\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft_clear\bin\minecraft.jar worldDir=g:\Minecraft_bukkit_server\world_pak outputDir=WorldTekMap colourDepth=24 alphaBits=8 numSamples=4 closestZoomSize=16 numZoomLevels=6 imageFormat=png cameraAngle=-45 players=all signs=special showSpawn=true useCache=false playersIni
#1241 [08:46] <GreyVulpine> tiallyVisible=false texturePack="c:\Users\Alpha\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\texturepacks\Misa180.zip"
#1242 [08:47] <GreyVulpine> You can see it'll call the tectonicus jar, point it to the single player minecraft.jar, and also the server's world directory..
#1243 [08:47] <GreyVulpine> As well as the texture pack you want to render the world in
#1244 [08:47] <GreyVulpine> And all sorts of image variables and such
#1245 [08:48] <nevercast> Found the GreyVulpine
#1246 [08:48] <Kreiger> That looks ver useful, but it also looks a little overkill for me.
#1247 [08:48] <nevercast> I referenced an index with indicies, 1 and 2.
#1248 [08:48] <nevercast> NOT, 0 and 1
#1249 [08:48] <nevercast> such a noob mistake
#1250 [08:48] <GreyVulpine> >.>
#1251 [08:48] <nevercast> *found the error greyvulpine
#1252 [08:48] <nevercast> fail typin
#1253 [08:48] <nevercast> '
#1254 [08:48] <GreyVulpine> Kreiger - It's a very.. involved map editor program
#1255 [08:48] <GreyVulpine> >.>
#1256 [08:49] <Kreiger> Yeah. i think i'll skip it.
#1257 [08:49] <GreyVulpine> er, map viewer
#1258 [08:52] <nevercast> I'll work on my wrapper in the morning
#1259 [08:52] <nevercast> need a fuckin' update feature
#1260 [08:52] <nevercast> night GreyVulpine
#1261 [08:53] <GreyVulpine> Laters
#1262 [08:53] <nevercast> oh and my server offline till futher notice.. that being when I wake up tomorrow and power it up.. it sleeps tonight because I dont' have backups
#1263 [08:54] <nevercast> night server!
#1264 [08:54] * nevercast waves
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#1265 [08:55] <kendle> Hi
#1266 [08:55] <kendle> does someone knows when beta ends ?
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#1268 [08:58] <Ape> I just bought the game with a credit card (should be instant), but my account is still not able to log in.. What should I do?
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#1271 [08:59] <Solid> hey guys i have a problem
#1272 [09:00] <ConMan8> That's surprising.
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#1274 [09:06] <kendle> ;) I've read that if i buy a beta key i didn't get any later updates. To geht all updates i need an alpha key. Is this right ?
#1275 [09:08] <Kade> you don't get any expansions with beta keys, if they are made
#1276 [09:08] <Kade> you do get updates
#1277 [09:09] <Kade> alpha keys aren't possible to buy anymore though
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#1279 [09:10] <ConMan8> You'll get all updates until release, and all 'patches' once release is out
#1280 [09:10] <ConMan8> Alpha people get everything that says "Minecraft"
#1281 [09:14] <kendle> ah okay
#1282 [09:15] <kendle> so it isn't usefull to buy a Alpha Key from somewhere else for much money ?
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#1359 [09:23] <ConMan8> AuBot got flooded out xD
#1360 [09:23] <arensirb> xales: I found the problem with my sound, it was me using rhythmbox.. Didnt happen with totem
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#1363 [09:24] <ConMan8> !server
#1364 [09:24] <arensirb> oh wait, now it doesnt happen at all.. damn :;P
#1365 [09:24] <kendle> found
#1366 [09:24] <kendle> okay think i'll buy the game and set up a server ;)
#1367 [09:24] <arensirb> ConMan8: How come you recommend the vanilla server? :P
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#1369 [09:24] <ConMan8> arensirb: Because it's the basis
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#1376 [09:30] <kendle> Game buyed, try to set up a server
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#1379 [09:52] <kendle> set up a server but can't connect: 15:59:49 [INFO] Disconnecting M4st3rM [/84.130.22.128:56557]: Took too long to log in
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#1381 [09:53] <Kreiger> make sure you forwarded your port, and they have the right port and IP
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#1383 [09:53] <Livity> Hello, is the a command or something else to make portal to some specific place in beta multiplayer? (Not alpha)
#1384 [09:54] <Morrolan> There is a plugin for bukkit called stargates I think, Livity.
#1385 [09:54] <Livity> uh so its mod. Lets never speak about it here again :)
#1386 [09:54] <Livity> but ty anyway
#1387 [09:55] <kendle> It's a debian vserver so portforwarding etc. should be okay
#1388 [09:55] <kendle> seems the server crashes if i connect
#1389 [09:55] <Morrolan> Check on www.canyouseeme.org if portforwarding is correct
#1390 [09:55] <Livity> Anyone has issues with boats in beta multiplayer?
#1391 [09:55] <Livity> I have dedicated server and they still lag like hell.
#1392 [09:55] <Morrolan> Oh wait, won't work if you can't access it from the server.
#1393 [09:56] <Morrolan> Boats? Yeah, they're annyoing.
#1394 [09:56] <kendle> hmm sorry it didn't crashes, i post log
#1395 [09:56] <Livity> so it lags always?
#1396 [09:57] <kendle> http://mibpaste.com/K7o0Sl
#1397 [09:57] <Morrolan> Yes Livity. Can't do much about that unless Notch finally rewrites that part of code. :(
#1398 [09:57] <Livity> It's just weird that they work in singleplayer but not in multi
#1399 [09:57] <Livity> QQ
#1400 [09:57] <Morrolan> Kendle: Network is unreachable? That's strange.
#1401 [09:58] <kendle> Server has internet connection of course
#1402 [09:58] <Morrolan> Livity: I think the issue is that boats in SMP are handled by the server. :/
#1403 [09:59] <Morrolan> Kendle: Some googling brought up this: http://java-monitor.com/forum/showthread.php?t=819
#1404 [10:01] <kendle> what to write at server_ip in the config file ?
#1405 [10:02] <Morrolan> Try to leave it empty.
#1406 [10:02] <kendle> it is emty
#1407 [10:02] <kendle> * empty
#1408 [10:03] <Morrolan> Yea, I think it might be an issue with IPv6 . I've got little to no experience though. You might want to contact the support of that server.
#1409 [10:04] <kendle> hmm
#1410 [10:05] <kendle> how to connect to a different port?
#1411 [10:06] <Morrolan> Change server-port in server.properties to something different.
#1412 [10:06] <kendle> yea
#1413 [10:06] <kendle> thats what i've done
#1414 [10:06] <Morrolan> And then while connecting use ip:port to connect
#1415 [10:06] <kendle> but hox connect then ? IP:Port won't work
#1416 [10:07] <Morrolan> Well, that's how you do it. But as long as you've got that error with the server software you won't be able to connect.
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#1419 [10:12] <DarkstarXT> hi, does cartograph work with 1.3?
#1420 [10:13] <Morrolan> Judging from the "last editet" date on the OP I guess not.
#1421 [10:14] <DarkstarXT> is there a similar tool that works? with an easy to use gui?
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#1423 [10:14] <NeoLitik> hi all
#1424 [10:15] <Morrolan> I suggest you go through that list and look in their threads if they are up to date. I haven't used any mapping tool, so I don't know, sorry. http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Programs#Mapping
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#1426 [10:16] <Morrolan> DarkstarXT: This one seems to work: http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1022&t=165779&start=270
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#1428 [10:17] <DarkstarXT> okey, thx for now
#1429 [10:17] <NeoLitik> hi all
#1430 [10:17] <NeoLitik> i have a little problem
#1431 [10:17] <NeoLitik> who can help me ?
#1432 [10:17] <arensirb> Maybe state the problem
#1433 [10:17] <Morrolan> I suggest you start with your problem, then we'll be able to tell you wheter we can help or not. ;)
#1434 [10:17] <arensirb> We arent psychic
#1435 [10:17] <NeoLitik> So
#1436 [10:18] <NeoLitik> i'm french guy, sorry if i dont understand or if i dont know the word... I not speak english very well
#1437 [10:18] <NeoLitik> i want to register my count to speak on the official IRC minecraft
#1438 [10:18] <NeoLitik> you understand ?
#1439 [10:18] <Morrolan> yea
#1440 [10:18] <NeoLitik> i dont know how we do this...
#1441 [10:19] <NeoLitik> can you help me ?
#1442 [10:19] <Morrolan> first you need to type this: /msg NickServ register passwordhere mailhere
#1443 [10:19] <Morrolan> for passwordhere you need to insert a password.
#1444 [10:19] <Morrolan> And for mailhere you need to insert your mail
#1445 [10:19] <NeoLitik> i'm not an idiot ^^ i understand
#1446 [10:19] <NeoLitik> thank you
#1447 [10:19] <Morrolan> ok ^^
#1448 [10:20] <Morrolan> Then you will get an e-mail with an activation code
#1449 [10:20] <NeoLitik> ha ok
#1450 [10:20] <NeoLitik> i see that
#1451 [10:20] <NeoLitik> thanks
#1452 [10:20] <Morrolan> as soon as you got it you need to write /msg NickServ auth codehere
#1453 [10:21] <arensirb> Whats the point of that Morrolan ? :P
#1454 [10:21] <Morrolan> This way you can "register" your Nickname. This a) ensures that from now on only you can use this nickname and b) some channel allow only people with registered nicknames to talk
#1455 [10:22] <arensirb> this one obv dont
#1456 [10:22] <Morrolan> Nope, but #Minecraft does I think.
#1457 [10:22] <arensirb> Oh
#1458 [10:22] <arensirb> yeah
#1459 [10:22] <arensirb> I think that one does
#1460 [10:22] <NeoLitik> ok i understand
#1461 [10:22] <NeoLitik> thank you Morrolan
#1462 [10:22] <NeoLitik> ;)
#1463 [10:22] <Morrolan> you're welcome. :)
#1464 [10:22] <Morrolan> Oh wait, one last thing
#1465 [10:23] <NeoLitik> i dont know how we use MIRC, but its a other thing
#1466 [10:23] <NeoLitik> ;)
#1467 [10:23] <Morrolan> If you join this server in the future you need to use /msg NickServ identify passwordhere
#1468 [10:24] <NeoLitik> Hum...
#1469 [10:24] <NeoLitik> exemple : /msg NickServ MyName Password
#1470 [10:24] <NeoLitik> its right ?
#1471 [10:24] <NeoLitik> like that : /msh NickServ NeoLitik xxxxxxx
#1472 [10:25] <Morrolan> Nope. Just /msg NickServ Passwordhere
#1473 [10:25] <Morrolan> euh
#1474 [10:25] <NeoLitik> okay thanks
#1475 [10:25] <Morrolan> it's /msg Nickserv identfy passwordhere
#1476 [10:25] <Morrolan> jesus
#1477 [10:25] <Morrolan> I hope I get it correct this time: /msg Nickserv Identify Passwordhere
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#1479 [10:26] <NeoLitik> i tell you ;)
#1480 [10:26] <NeoLitik> XD
#1481 [10:26] <Morrolan> hehe :D
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#1483 [10:27] <NeoLitik> TS serveur or M&M server exist for minecraft ?
#1484 [10:28] <Morrolan> I don't think the Minecraft channel has one.
#1485 [10:28] <NeoLitik> Hum...
#1486 [10:28] <NeoLitik> its not cool :p
#1487 [10:28] <Morrolan> ^^
#1488 [10:28] <NeoLitik> and if i want play in multiplayer
#1489 [10:28] <NeoLitik> i need a serve yes ?
#1490 [10:29] <Morrolan> Yes.
#1491 [10:29] <Morrolan> There is a list with many servers on www.mcserverlist.net
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#1494 [10:41] <Desparil> Hello thought I'd check here with the experts, my friend gets 'disconnect.endOfStream' on my server. I have forwarded the port to my local IP which is also static, 'server-ip=' is blank, 'online-mode=false' in server.properties. Weird huh.
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#1496 [10:44] <kendle> Dann can't fix that problem on my server, with that java ...
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#1498 [10:49] <Desparil> same as mine?
#1499 [10:49] <Desparil> or what you mean
#1500 [10:50] <Morrolan> Nah, he's got a really strange error, Java isn't able to access the internet.
#1501 [10:50] <kendle> no, the network is unreachable problem
#1502 [10:50] <Desparil> have you tried using the java server from jdk ?
#1503 [10:50] <Morrolan> Desparil: Is your friend not able to connect at all, or does he get disconnected after a while?
#1504 [10:51] <kendle> how ?
#1505 [10:51] <Desparil> I see him in log and DC after a min or five
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#1507 [10:51] <Desparil> kendle it only works with the jar file not exe server
#1508 [10:52] <Morrolan> And from his point of view he can't connect at all? He gets disconnected as soon as he tries to connect to your server?
#1509 [10:52] <Desparil> well you can download the latest JDK (not JRE), then navigate through bin folder and find the server folder, copy it and move it to the bin folder in JRE
#1510 [10:52] <Desparil> Morrolan after a while yes
#1511 [10:53] <Desparil> [INFO] Ikoma [/2.108.156.236:55220] logged in with entity id 776
#1512 [10:53] <Desparil> [INFO] Ikoma lost connection: disconnect.endOfStream
#1513 [10:53] <kendle> i have tha .jar server and installed java on my debian server and startet like in the tut sayed
#1514 [10:53] <kendle> the server starts correctly
#1515 [10:53] <kendle> but if i connect it makes some errors which means he can't connect to java
#1516 [10:53] <Morrolan> Kendle, again, I suggest you contact the support of your server, I really think it's because of Java not being able to handle IPv6
#1517 [10:53] <kendle> found any solutions for this but they won't fix it for me
#1518 [10:54] <kendle> yea so i've dissabled it
#1519 [10:54] <Morrolan> Hmm. :/
#1520 [10:54] <kendle> net.ipv6.bindv6only = 0
#1521 [10:54] <Morrolan> Yea, and the one to prefer ipv4?
#1522 [10:54] <Desparil> with the server directory in JRE folder you can start MC server like this with a -sever switch, maybe it helps?: java -server -Xmx1024M -Xms1024M-jar minecraft_server.jar""
#1523 [10:54] <Desparil> oop missed a whitespase after xms :p
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#1525 [10:55] <Morrolan> Desparil: That's quite a nasty error. The forum is full of people having it, an noone has found a solution which worked for all.
#1526 [10:55] <Morrolan> I can only suggest you to try some of them. :/
#1527 [10:55] <Desparil> alright what I wanted to know, thanks for clarifying
#1528 [10:55] <kendle> Could not create the Java virtual machine.
#1529 [10:55] <Buss1000> hey I need help with setting up a classic server
#1530 [10:56] <Buss1000> hello
#1531 [10:56] <Buss1000> hello
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#1533 [10:56] <Morrolan> :)
#1534 [10:56] <Morrolan> That problem solved itself. :D
#1535 [10:56] <kendle> which one ?
#1536 [10:57] <kendle> ah
#1537 [10:57] <Morrolan> Buss1000
#1538 [10:57] <Morrolan> :p
#1539 [10:57] <kendle> yea
#1540 [10:57] <Desparil> lol can you be more impatient :p
#1541 [10:57] <kendle> why it says Could not create the Java virtual machine. ? Wrong Java ?
#1542 [10:57] <Morrolan> Haha, yeah ^^
#1543 [10:58] <Desparil> kendle you need to set path for java
#1544 [10:58] <kendle> hwo ?
#1545 [10:58] <Desparil> well idk about linux :p
#1546 [10:58] <kendle> * how
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#1548 [10:58] <Desparil> but the global system variable you know?
#1549 [10:58] <Morrolan> Desparil: What OS are you using for your server?
#1550 [10:58] <Desparil> windows
#1551 [10:58] <kendle> Debian Lenny
#1552 [10:59] <Desparil> I'm pretty casual its just for a few friends :)
#1553 [10:59] <Morrolan> Yeah, but XP? Vista? And which Service pack?
#1554 [10:59] <Desparil> w7 latest
#1555 [10:59] <Morrolan> Hmm, ok. Many people had this error when the server was hosted on a machine with XP service pack 3.
#1556 [10:59] <Desparil> alright
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#1558 [10:59] <Desparil> well its beta so whatever
#1559 [11:00] <Morrolan> kendle: What is the command with which you try to start the server?
#1560 [11:00] <sebihepp> Hi, I forget the name of the channel for modding... =(
#1561 [11:00] <kendle> normaly ? java -Xmx400M -Xms400M -jar minecraft_server.jar nogui
#1562 [11:01] <Desparil> also if you try more than 1024 memory you get the virtual machine error
#1563 [11:02] <kendle> my server has only 1024
#1564 [11:02] <Desparil> :S
#1565 [11:02] <kendle> i'll try
#1566 [11:02] <Morrolan> Then I don't suggest to use 1024
#1567 [11:02] <Desparil> well idk if it also happens if you set less
#1568 [11:02] <Desparil> dont use max no
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#1570 [11:03] <raisingmcedit> hi
#1571 [11:03] <Desparil> too bad you dont live around here, I can drive by and give you some old RAM :p
#1572 [11:03] <raisingmcedit> can anyone help me?
#1573 [11:03] <kendle> yea more then 1024 makes vm error
#1574 [11:03] <sebihepp> Hi raisingmcedit
#1575 [11:03] <raisingmcedit> have you used mcedit?
#1576 [11:03] <kendle> who ?
#1577 [11:03] <raisingmcedit> anyone :)
#1578 [11:03] <kendle> i use it
#1579 [11:04] <raisingmcedit> can you help me?
#1580 [11:04] <kendle> maybe but i didn't use it realy often
#1581 [11:04] <raisingmcedit> well, you know when you select something?
#1582 [11:04] <raisingmcedit> like make a box, the translucent blue one
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#1584 [11:04] <raisingmcedit> how do you raise the selection
#1585 [11:04] <raisingmcedit> so like if you wanted to make a tower
#1586 [11:05] <Kreiger> What possible reasons would blocks keep reappearing?
#1587 [11:05] <Morrolan> Use the "nudge" button and then "q" or "e"
#1588 [11:05] <Kreiger> it's not spawn, so there shouldn't be protection
#1589 [11:05] <Morrolan> Kreiger: Lag most likely.
#1590 [11:05] <Kreiger> Morrolan, it's hosted on my box.
#1591 [11:05] <raisingmcedit> thanks
#1592 [11:05] <Morrolan> Hmm. :/
#1593 [11:05] <Kreiger> Does lag even happen in that situation? :P
#1594 [11:06] <raisingmcedit> morrolan it doesnt work?
#1595 [11:06] <Morrolan> Well, are you hosting it on the same computer which you play on? Then it could be that it's just too much for your computer.
#1596 [11:06] <Kreiger> I'
#1597 [11:06] <Kreiger> ve been running the server for like.. 2 days now.. with up to 4 people.
#1598 [11:06] <Morrolan> Raisingmcedit: I haven't used MCEdit in a while, lemme check
#1599 [11:07] <raisingmcedit> ok thanks
#1600 [11:07] <Kreiger> it's just me now
#1601 [11:07] <raisingmcedit> i mean
#1602 [11:07] <raisingmcedit> not move the camera
#1603 [11:07] <Morrolan> Kreiger: That's strange then. :/
#1604 [11:07] <raisingmcedit> you know when you left click an area
#1605 [11:07] <raisingmcedit> and drag it around a box comes up
#1606 [11:07] <Kreiger> Morror, wanna come try? i'll give you the server ip :P
#1607 [11:07] <Morrolan> Raising: As soon as you made a selection there should be a button titled "Nudge". Do you see it?
#1608 [11:08] <raisingmcedit> say i made a 6x1 cuboid, how would i make it 6x4
#1609 [11:08] <Morrolan> Kreiger: Maybe later, as you see I'm quite busy atm. ^^
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#1611 [11:09] <raisingmcedit> if i drag it over like a mountain then it raises it
#1612 [11:09] <raisingmcedit> but how can i raise it if its on a flat surface
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#1614 [11:10] <Morrolan> Yes, as I said, look for a button titled "Nudge". Unless he removed it in the latest version it should be in the selection menu.
#1615 [11:10] <Morrolan> I'm downloading the latest version atm, I'll be able to tell you more afterwards.
#1616 [11:10] <raisingmcedit> yes i found it
#1617 [11:10] <raisingmcedit> now what do i do?
#1618 [11:11] <Morrolan> There should be two buttons. A yellow and a blue one.
#1619 [11:11] <raisingmcedit> yes, that moves the selection up and down
#1620 [11:11] <raisingmcedit> but how could i raise it continuously?
#1621 [11:11] <raisingmcedit> rather than raising a 4x1 cuboid, how can i make it 4x2
#1622 [11:12] <Morrolan> Now I'm quite confuesd. It seems that the selection system has been changed in the last few versions. I'm downloading the newest one at the moment, I'll be able to help you when it's done.
#1623 [11:12] <Morrolan> confused*
#1624 [11:12] <Xerati> lol
#1625 [11:12] <raisingmcedit> :P
#1626 [11:12] <raisingmcedit> ok
#1627 [11:12] <raisingmcedit> brb
#1628 [11:12] <raisingmcedit> tell me if you find it :)
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#1631 [11:16] <raisingmcedit> did you find?
#1632 [11:16] <Morrolan> Yes. :)
#1633 [11:17] <raisingmcedit> how,how,how?
#1634 [11:17] <raisingmcedit> :)
#1635 [11:17] <Morrolan> It seems we were talking about different "nudge" buttons.
#1636 [11:17] <raisingmcedit> ah,
#1637 [11:17] <raisingmcedit> indeed i have found it:)
#1638 [11:17] <raisingmcedit> thanks
#1639 [11:17] <Morrolan> :)
#1640 [11:17] <raisingmcedit> i thought the 'nudge' buttons were all the same
#1641 [11:17] <raisingmcedit> and i thought shift activated them
#1642 [11:17] <raisingmcedit> thanks
#1643 [11:18] <kendle> Morrolan can you give me some topics of mindcraft forum where other possible sultions are ? Can't search the forum
#1644 [11:19] <theunleet> sign up for forums, then you may search
#1645 [11:19] <Morrolan> what was your error message again?
#1646 [11:19] <Morrolan> nvm
#1647 [11:20] <kendle> java.net.NoRouteToHostException: Network is unreachable
#1648 [11:20] <theunleet> bad copy of java
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#1650 [11:21] <theunleet> Uninstall Java, and reinstall the newest version from their website.
#1651 [11:21] <theunleet> then redownload the launcher
#1652 [11:21] <Morrolan> If that solves it you've earned a cookie, teunleet.
#1653 [11:21] <Morrolan> theunleet*
#1654 [11:22] <kendle> can you give me the correct download for java debian lenny ?
#1655 [11:22] <theunleet> one second
#1656 [11:23] <theunleet> does debian use RPM files?
#1657 [11:23] <kendle> don't know
#1658 [11:23] <kendle> apt-get install
#1659 [11:23] <theunleet> http://javadl.sun.com/webapps/download/AutoDL?BundleId=47143
#1660 [11:23] <kendle> apt-get install openjdk-6-jre-headless
#1661 [11:24] <theunleet> http://www.java.com/en/download/help/linux_install.xml#selfextracting
#1662 [11:24] <kendle> and apt-get install sun-java6-bin sun-java6-jre
#1663 [11:24] <kendle> is what i've used
#1664 [11:24] <theunleet> try that, second link is instructions
#1665 [11:24] <ElManco> hi! do you know how to create a local server?
#1666 [11:24] <theunleet> run the server software provided with minecraft?
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#1668 [11:32] <kendle> Java installed, but error is alive
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#1670 [11:35] <theunleet> Error still there?
#1671 [11:35] <kendle> yea
#1672 [11:36] <kendle> Any ideas ?
#1673 [11:38] <theunleet> did you redownload mc
#1674 [11:38] <kendle> no
#1675 [11:39] <kendle> w8
#1676 [11:39] <theunleet> .faq minecraftjar
#1677 [11:39] <theunleet> guess the bot is dead
#1678 [11:42] <kendle> redownloaded but no solution
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#1683 [11:43] <theunleet> I am going to assume there is a problem with your Debian install.
#1684 [11:43] <theunleet> But not too sure.
#1685 [11:44] <theunleet> do you have multiple java installs by accident?
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#1687 [11:44] <theunleet> you have to sudo apt-get remove the last install before you install a new one
#1688 [11:44] <kendle> yea
#1689 [11:44] <kendle> of course
#1690 [11:45] <kendle> i removed every java before
#1691 [11:45] <theunleet> try an aptitude search
#1692 [11:45] <theunleet> for java
#1693 [11:46] <kendle> I found some perople with same problems but theres no solution. Found other some sultions but they don't work.
#1694 [11:46] <theunleet> "aptitude"
#1695 [11:46] <kendle> whats that ?
#1696 [11:46] <theunleet> It's a frontend to APT
#1697 [11:47] <theunleet> to search for certain packages
#1698 [11:47] <theunleet> http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude
#1699 [11:47] <theunleet> read about it
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#1701 [11:52] <kendle> its this stupid error: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=560044
#1702 [11:52] <kendle> but why doesn't work the solutions for me
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#1704 [11:54] <Morrolan> Already tried java.net.preferIPv4Stack=true ?
#1705 [11:54] <theunleet> sudo sed -i 's/net.ipv6.bindv6only\ =\ 1/net.ipv6.bindv6only\ =\ 0/' \
#1706 [11:54] <theunleet> woops
#1707 [11:54] <SkiingPenguins> :P
#1708 [11:55] <theunleet> try the command fix on that page
#1709 [11:55] <kendle> java -Xmx400M -Xms400M -jar minecraft_server.jar nogui -Djava.net.preferIPv4Stack=true
#1710 [11:55] <theunleet> java -Djava.net.preferIPv4Stack=true -jar updater.jar
#1711 [11:55] <kendle> yep
#1712 [11:55] <theunleet> yep
#1713 [11:55] <theunleet> does it work?
#1714 [11:55] <kendle> nope
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#1716 [11:56] <kendle> is there another programm to check if java has internet connection ?
#1717 [11:56] <theunleet> try some other jar that needs networking?
#1718 [11:57] <kendle> yea which one ?
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#1720 [11:57] <kendle> i didn't have any other java software running on the server
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#1726 [12:09] <theunleet> you realize that bug report was in 2009
#1727 [12:10] <theunleet> and it would have been fixed by now
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#1729 [12:12] <theunleet> you mind fixing your hostname n673
#1730 [12:12] <theunleet> thats annoying
#1731 [12:12] <n673> theunleet, "fixing" ?
#1732 [12:13] <SkiingPenguins> hahaha
#1733 [12:13] <theunleet> all it is, is .org over and over.
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#1739 [12:23] <h1e> hi .. does anybody know about fixing this problem ...Internal exception: java.net.SocketException: Software caused connection abort: recv failed
#1740 [12:23] <h1e> my friend reinstalled java .. reinstalle minecraft
#1741 [12:23] <h1e> changed several network settings
#1742 [12:23] <h1e> tried different network devices
#1743 [12:29] <theunleet> Minecraft is causing the problem.
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#1745 [12:29] <h1e> and how to fix it?
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#1748 [12:32] <theunleet> http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1013&t=33000
#1749 [12:32] <theunleet> minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1013&t=33000
#1750 [12:33] <theunleet> sorry double post
#1751 [12:35] <theunleet> hope that gives some info
#1752 [12:36] <h1e> im reading ;)
#1753 [12:36] <theunleet> kk
#1754 [12:36] <h1e> its pretty sad coz im gifted him minecraft and now he can only play singleplayer ... ^^
#1755 [12:41] <theunleet> someone else payed for mine... and i forgot to pay him back lol
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#1758 [12:43] <an0> im trying to give default users permission to use /tp and also use /give with a set list of allowed item id's. can anyone help?
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#1760 [12:44] <Kealper> .part #minecraft
#1761 [12:44] <Kealper> an0: hMod or Bukkit?
#1762 [12:44] <an0> bukkit
#1763 [12:45] <an0> using flat file perms right now, but im impartial, just need it done.
#1764 [12:45] <Kealper> join the channel #bukkit
#1765 [12:45] <an0> okay thanks!
#1766 [12:45] <Kealper> that is the official Bukkit support channel, they'll know more about it than me
#1767 [12:46] <an0> I'm there now. thanks
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#1769 [12:54] <theunleet> bbs
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#1772 [12:57] <sprocket> Hello
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#1774 [12:57] <sprocket> I will change my name in minecraft, this possible???
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#1776 [12:57] <Kealper> not at this time
#1777 [12:57] <Kealper> it is planned though
#1778 [12:57] <sprocket> and later?
#1779 [12:58] <Kealper> i have only heard that they will eventually allow it, but no one has said when to expect that
#1780 [12:59] <sprocket> ok thanks
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#1783 [13:12] <geo> hi
#1784 [13:13] <geo> i have a quick question im playing currently on a core 2 duo 2.0ghz 2gb ram with intel graphics(i know they suck bad) but i was wondering if i upgrade my ram to 4 gb do you think this would increase performance overall?
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#1787 [13:15] <geo> > i have a quick question im playing currently on a core 2 duo 2.0ghz 2gb ram with intel graphics(i know they suck bad) but i was wondering if i upgrade my ram to 4 gb do you think this would increase performance overall?
#1788 [13:16] <Kealper> geo: it definately couldn't hurt
#1789 [13:16] <Kealper> it would give your computer more ram to play around with :/
#1790 [13:16] <geo> im thinking of doin it as a cheap fix until i get a new laptop
#1791 [13:17] <Kealper> is your current one a desktop or a laptop?
#1792 [13:18] <Morrolan> I don't suggest doing it, unless your RAM does get used up to 100% while playing Minecraft.
#1793 [13:19] <geo> its a laptop sadly
#1794 [13:19] <Kealper> yeah...that's why i was asking if it was a laptop or a desktop...if it's a desktop, the money would be better-spent getting a graphics card :/
#1795 [13:19] <geo> yeh im lookin into a new laptop atm but affordable lol
#1796 [13:19] <Morrolan> How are you planning on adding more RAM to your laptop anyway?
#1797 [13:20] <Morrolan> I don't know of many laptops which allow that. :/
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#1799 [13:20] <Kealper> almost all laptops can be upgraded to usually around 2x what they have in them from the factor
#1800 [13:20] <Kealper> factory*
#1801 [13:20] <Morrolan> Oh? Learned something then.
#1802 [13:21] <Kealper> even those little tiny netbooks can be upgraded to 2gigs of ram total
#1803 [13:21] <geo> this laptop takes up to 4gb
#1804 [13:21] <Kealper> although getting into them is a pain
#1805 [13:21] <geo> its currently 2
#1806 [13:22] <Mathuin> My Eee is up to 2gb, doesn't run minecraft all that well. :-)
#1807 [13:22] <geo> yeh
#1808 [13:22] <geo> it seems like if u have a decentish graphics card u can run full screen full spec tbh
#1809 [13:22] <Kealper> netbooks just don't have the computing power required for minecraft :/
#1810 [13:22] <geo> tbf i may jus put the money to new laptop next month
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#1816 [13:26] <Kealper> YAELLE Y U PLAY WITH REVOLVING DOOR
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#1818 [13:26] <kendle> Bahh its ugly, tried since 5 hours to get minecraft server running it won't work, network unreachable, trieb nearly every version of java
#1819 [13:27] <Kealper> kendle: you set up port forwarding in your router, right?
#1820 [13:27] <Ookami-07> Is there a problem with the Minecraft servers? I haven't been able to connect since the update.
#1821 [13:28] <kendle> yea i didn't have a rounter, debian server on a data centre
#1822 [13:28] <Kealper> kendle: oh..well then
#1823 [13:28] <Kealper> Ookami-07: minecraft.net has been having quite a lot of trouble lately
#1824 [13:28] <Kealper> it just can't keep up with the traffic
#1825 [13:28] <kendle> it's only this java bug, describet often but all solutions won't work for me
#1826 [13:29] <Kealper> kendle: what bug?
#1827 [13:29] <Ookami-07> Ah, all right. I just haven't been able to connect to anything in a while, I wanted to make sure it wasn't me that was the problem.
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#1829 [13:29] <kendle> java.net.SocketException: Network is unreachable
#1830 [13:29] <kendle> This Bug
#1831 [13:29] <Kealper> is that in your client?
#1832 [13:30] <kendle> nope
#1833 [13:30] <kendle> server console
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#1835 [13:30] <Kealper> that's weird
#1836 [13:30] <Kealper> is your server IPv6-enabled?
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#1838 [13:31] <kendle> dunno
#1839 [13:31] <kendle> asked my hoster but no response
#1840 [13:31] <kendle> so i'll have to use IP v4
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#1842 [13:31] <kendle> and it has to work with, but it doesn't
#1843 [13:31] <Kealper> also...do an nslookup on minecraft.net just to make sure it is correct
#1844 [13:32] <kendle> how ?
#1845 [13:33] <Kealper> are you connected to the server with ssh at the moment?
#1846 [13:33] <kendle> yea
#1847 [13:34] <Kealper> just type nslookup minecraft.net
#1848 [13:34] <kendle> http://mibpaste.com/Gj0gu0
#1849 [13:34] <kendle> and that means ?
#1850 [13:34] <Kealper> means that isn't the problem :/
#1851 [13:35] <xales> ?? java/linux/debian
#1852 [13:35] <VoxelHead> java/linux/debian: While OpenJDK is reported to work just fine, you probably want to install the Oracle JRE, which is in the sun-java6-jre package
#1853 [13:35] <VoxelHead> java/linux/debian: To install it, `sudo apt-get sun-java6-jre && sudo update-alternatives --config java`
#1854 [13:35] <xales> wait..that's not the right one
#1855 [13:35] <Kealper> ok then...1 sec, i'll give you something to try in the CLI params when laun.....today i learned there is already something for that in VoxelHead
#1856 [13:35] <xales> ?? java/ipv6
#1857 [13:35] <VoxelHead> java/ipv6: Java sometimes likes to bind to IPv6 at the expense of IPv4. Since you (for the time being at least) probably want to use IPv4, you want to add the following switches to the script you use to start your server:
#1858 [13:35] <VoxelHead> java/ipv6: -Djava.net.preferIPv4Stack=true -Djava.net.preferIPv6Addresses=false
#1859 [13:35] <xales> ^that
#1860 [13:36] <Morrolan> He already tried that iirc.
#1861 [13:36] <kendle> i'll tried but it didn't work out
#1862 [13:36] <xales> when do yoet the error?
#1863 [13:36] <xales> do you get*
#1864 [13:37] <kendle> If i'm connection
#1865 [13:37] <kendle> btw if someone connection to my server
#1866 [13:37] <kendle> and then timeout
#1867 [13:37] <kendle> http://mibpaste.com/uXHppe
#1868 [13:38] <kendle> here you can see
#1869 [13:38] <xales> minecraft_seer.jar?
#1870 [13:38] <xales> is that the official server?
#1871 [13:39] <kendle> yea
#1872 [13:39] <Morrolan> isn't it called minecraft_serVer.jar ?
#1873 [13:39] <kendle> sorry the letter is missing cause there was a braeak in putty
#1874 [13:39] <Kealper> lol
#1875 [13:39] <Morrolan> ah, ok ^^
#1876 [13:40] <xales> try this, and pastebin the output
#1877 [13:40] <kendle> and putty didn't linek the STRG + C
#1878 [13:40] <xales> `traceroute minecraft.net`
#1879 [13:40] <Kealper> kendle: have you tried just opening server.properties and setting online-mode to false?
#1880 [13:40] <kendle> command not found
#1881 [13:40] <kendle> no
#1882 [13:40] <kendle> should i ?
#1883 [13:40] <kendle> w8
#1884 [13:40] <Kealper> try setting online mode to false
#1885 [13:41] <Kealper> it won't fix the problem, but it should mask it so you can play
#1886 [13:41] <kendle> lol
#1887 [13:41] <kendle> this works
#1888 [13:41] <kendle> what means onlinemode ?
#1889 [13:41] <Kealper> checks to see if the person connecting has actually paid
#1890 [13:42] <Morrolan> Even more important. It Verifys the nickname of the person.
#1891 [13:42] <xales> turning it off is a bad idea - hackers and other bad people can connect
#1892 [13:42] <xales> and it also would allow someone to connect and pretend to be you
#1893 [13:42] <Kealper> yeah...that's the downside
#1894 [13:42] <Morrolan> If you set it to false everyone can connect with any name they want.
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#1896 [13:42] <kendle> I don't want hackers
#1897 [13:43] <xales> install traceroute (apt-get install traceroute) and run `traceroute minecraft.net` and pastebin that
#1898 [13:43] <Kealper> what kind of server doesn't come with traceroute ._.
#1899 [13:43] <xales> Kealper, I'm sure centos doesn't :P
#1900 [13:43] <Kealper> inb4 mine when i go to test it in 5 sec
#1901 [13:43] <xales> but it's a default on Debian...I think
#1902 [13:44] <Kealper> wahey! i have it
#1903 [13:44] <kendle> http://mibpaste.com/D0vSHs
#1904 [13:45] <xales> that's...interesting
#1905 [13:45] <xales> what kind of server is it? vps?
#1906 [13:46] <kendle> v server
#1907 [13:46] <xales> v server?
#1908 [13:46] <kendle> virtual
#1909 [13:47] <xales> so a vps
#1910 [13:47] <kendle> yea
#1911 [13:47] <xales> is there any kind of firewall on it? or that the vps host gives you?
#1912 [13:48] <kendle> no firewall, it's possible to set one up but dissabled
#1913 [13:48] <xales> it looks like your host is blocking minecraft.net for some reason
#1914 [13:49] <xales> though that traceroute looks incomplete...but that's the only explanation for it being like that, unless you terminated it after one line
#1915 [13:50] <kendle> thats what putty says
#1916 [13:50] <kendle> 1 line of text
#1917 [13:50] <xales> you didn't press anything while it was running?
#1918 [13:50] <kendle> no just even tryed again
#1919 [13:51] <xales> it looks like it's being blocked then
#1920 [13:51] <kendle> why ?
#1921 [13:52] <kendle> i can't even ping minecraft.net from my pc
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#1923 [13:53] <xales> pings don't go through
#1924 [13:53] <xales> it gets blocked
#1925 [13:53] <xales> but the trace stops at the first router
#1926 [13:53] <xales> meaning the provider is blocking it
#1927 [13:53] <kendle> i mean from my local pc i can't ping minecraft.net
#1928 [13:54] <xales> yes, nobody can ping minecraft.net. it blocks pings
#1929 [13:54] <xales> a traceroute is not a ping
#1930 [13:54] <kendle> okay
#1931 [13:54] <kendle> maybe it blocks traceroutes too
#1932 [13:54] <xales> no, even if it did
#1933 [13:54] <xales> it wouldn't stop at the first router
#1934 [13:54] <xales> it's stopping at the first router
#1935 [13:54] <xales> which means your provider is blocking it
#1936 [13:55] <kendle> but why ?
#1937 [13:56] <xales> I don't know why
#1938 [13:56] <xales> for whatever reason, they are blocking it
#1939 [13:56] <xales> you should ask them
#1940 [13:56] <xales> this is what a real traceroute looks like: http://pastebin.com/m5Ew1c4q
#1941 [13:57] <kendle> yea i've testet it with google
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#1945 [14:10] <Firelight730> ZOMFG
#1946 [14:10] <Firelight730> Hey, My first IRC post in this channel XD
#1947 [14:11] <Firelight730> ...
#1948 [14:11] <xales> ...
#1949 [14:12] <Firelight730> #help
#1950 [14:12] <Mathuin> Hahaha
#1951 [14:12] <xales> ._.
#1952 [14:13] <Morrolan> -v-
#1953 [14:13] <Firelight730> .................................
#1954 [14:13] <Firelight730> XDish
#1955 [14:14] <xales> #help is a channel
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#1957 [14:14] <Firelight730> iiiieeehhh...
#1958 [14:14] <xales> also, it is extremely rude to say the name of a channel then click on it =/
#1959 [14:14] <Firelight730> I prefer freenode
#1960 [14:14] <xales> use "/join #help" in the future, or whatever other channel you want to join
#1961 [14:14] <Firelight730> 'O'
#1962 [14:14] <xales> if you want a list of commands, it's /help, not #help
#1963 [14:14] <xales> though I suggest not using Mibbit
#1964 [14:14] <Firelight730> oooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh................
#1965 [14:15] <xales> it's quite literally one of the worst IRC clients in existance
#1966 [14:15] <Firelight730> true, true
#1967 [14:15] <Coll> what other web irc clients are there?
#1968 [14:15] <Firelight730> i like freenode better but it won't connect to this channel
#1969 [14:15] <xales> Coll: qwebirc. but that's not the point
#1970 [14:15] <Firelight730> webchat.freenode.net
#1971 [14:15] <xales> webchat sucks
#1972 [14:15] <xales> don't use it
#1973 [14:16] <xales> use a real IRC client
#1974 [14:16] <Firelight730> it's awesome
#1975 [14:16] <Firelight730> but not as awesome as mIRC
#1976 [14:16] <xales> mIRC is..hardly awesome
#1977 [14:16] <Firelight730> o_o
#1978 [14:16] <xales> and webchat is horribad
#1979 [14:16] <Firelight730> o rlly?
#1980 [14:16] <Firelight730> then what IS awesome hmmm???
#1981 [14:16] <Fear> PC is better than mac
#1982 [14:16] <Mathuin> It's hard to associate *anything* relating to IRC as "awesome". The basic technology is at least thirty years old, and most client "improvements" are lipstick on a pig.
#1983 [14:17] <Fear> Sorry, app fanboyism only?
#1984 [14:17] <Mathuin> Well, app *discussion*.
#1985 [14:17] <Mathuin> MINECRAFT RULZ is as out of line as MINECRAFT SUX.
#1986 [14:18] <Firelight730> +o_o
#1987 [14:18] <Firelight730> + +
#1988 [14:18] <Firelight730> o_o
#1989 [14:18] <xales> try using a real irc client...like not Mibbit :P
#1990 [14:18] <Mathuin> So instead of being so special, consider using the text-based communications system to communicate. with text.
#1991 [14:18] <xales> or any webchat, really
#1992 [14:19] <Morrolan> Now why would it matter which irc client people are using?
#1993 [14:19] <Firelight730> i prefer freenode
#1994 [14:19] <Firelight730> hey xale
#1995 [14:19] <Firelight730> ...
#1996 [14:19] <Firelight730> xales...
#1997 [14:19] <xales> what?
#1998 [14:20] <xales> preferring a network because of their webchat is definately smart
#1999 [14:20] <xales> use a real client and don't complain
#2000 [14:20] <Firelight730> do you know why minecraft freezes right after updating???
#2001 [14:20] <xales> ?? win/reinst
#2002 [14:20] <VoxelHead> win/reinst: You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#2003 [14:20] <VoxelHead> win/reinst: To do so, press Win+R, type in %AppData%, and press Enter. In the window that appears, open the .minecraft directory, and delete the bin directory that you see therein. Then, try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
#2004 [14:21] <Firelight730> i already di but it still froze
#2005 [14:21] <xales> has it always done that?
#2006 [14:21] <Firelight730> yeah
#2007 [14:21] <xales> ?? win/dxdiag
#2008 [14:21] <Firelight730> tried reinstalling java already
#2009 [14:21] <VoxelHead> win/dxdiag: Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "save log" file and save it to your desktop.
#2010 [14:21] <VoxelHead> win/dxdiag: Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link you are sent to, and paste it here.
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#2012 [14:22] <Firelight730> there is no point to checking if my drivers are digitally signed
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#2014 [14:23] <Firelight730> because a few of my hardware drivers are not digitally signed
#2015 [14:23] <Sooi11> !check 178.118.143.207:50500
#2016 [14:23] <xales> that's not the purpose of that
#2017 [14:23] <Firelight730> and it was working perfectly fine yesterday on the same computer
#2018 [14:23] <xales> ..you just said it has always been doing that
#2019 [14:23] <Firelight730> AND MINECRAFT USES DIRECTX??????????????
#2020 [14:24] <xales> ...
#2021 [14:24] <xales> please, don't make assumptions about things
#2022 [14:24] <xales> if you want help, ask
#2023 [14:24] <xales> and please, attempt to cooperate
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#2025 [14:24] <SkiingPenguins> xales /kick works just fine
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#2027 [14:25] <Firelight730> hey...
#2028 [14:25] <xales> try renaming the entire .minecraft fodler
#2029 [14:25] <xales> folder*
#2030 [14:25] <xales> not deleting
#2031 [14:25] <xales> just rename it to something else
#2032 [14:26] <Firelight730> that's a long txt file
#2033 [14:26] <xales> not really
#2034 [14:26] <Firelight730> mibbit sucks totally
#2035 [14:26] <xales> then why are you using it?
#2036 [14:27] <Firelight730> ZOMFG LLLAAAAAAGGGG
#2037 [14:27] <Firelight730> I HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE
#2038 [14:27] <xales> you do
#2039 [14:27] <xales> also, turn capslock off
#2040 [14:27] <SkiingPenguins> damn kids these days
#2041 [14:27] <Firelight730> FAIL
#2042 [14:27] <Firelight730> log too large
#2043 [14:27] <xales> follow the instructions.
#2044 [14:28] <xales> paste them on http://pastebin.com/
#2045 [14:28] <xales> not the fucked up Mibbit pastebin
#2046 [14:28] <xales> don't complain about Mibbit if you are perfectly able to use a real client
#2047 [14:29] <Firelight730> http://pastebin.com/4dXKNwCW
#2048 [14:29] <Mathuin> xales: you have the patience of a saint. See you later. ;-)
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#2050 [14:29] <Firelight730> i dunno any other client and i'm too lazy too download mIRC
#2051 [14:30] <xales> then don't complain
#2052 [14:30] <Firelight730> wtell whatclient YOU'RE using
#2053 [14:30] <Bugboy1028> I am using X-Chat
#2054 [14:30] <xales> irssi. but that doesn't really work on Windows
#2055 [14:30] <xales> anyway
#2056 [14:30] <Bugboy1028> And Colloquy for my iPad
#2057 [14:30] <Firelight730> mac or linux?
#2058 [14:30] <xales> try what I said. rename the .minecraft folder to something else.
#2059 [14:31] <Firelight730> tried, no go
#2060 [14:31] <xales> irssi is designed to run on Linux/Unix
#2061 [14:31] <xales> update your graphics card driver; it's out of date
#2062 [14:31] <Firelight730> what?????
#2063 [14:31] <Firelight730> it's current version
#2064 [14:31] <xales> nope
#2065 [14:31] <xales> Driver Date/Size: 7/10/2010 05:37:00, 9818728 bytes
#2066 [14:32] <Firelight730> o rlly? what's the latest?
#2067 [14:32] <xales> I don't know. why don't you look for yourself
#2068 [14:32] <xales> it's your computer, after all
#2069 [14:33] <Kealper> oh man if Dope was here he would go crazy at that butchering of the english language
#2070 [14:33] <Firelight730> http://pastebin.com/4dXKNwCW
#2071 [14:33] <Firelight730> oops
#2072 [14:33] <Bugboy1028> Question: Will we see Notch on here often?
#2073 [14:33] <Kealper> nope
#2074 [14:33] <xales> Bugboy1028: no
#2075 [14:34] <Bugboy1028> never?
#2076 [14:34] <Kealper> he hardly touches irc anymore
#2077 [14:34] <Bugboy1028> oh
#2078 [14:34] <Firelight730> 258.96 is my VGA version number
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#2081 [14:35] <Desparil> is disconnect.genericReason a server side or client side problem ?
#2082 [14:35] <xales> well, seeing as how it is generic, it could be either
#2083 [14:36] <Kealper> i've seen it usually happen when the client gets a connection reset by peer error
#2084 [14:37] <Desparil> I know some1 who cant connect to anything, and he doesnt have access to his gateway
#2085 [14:37] <Bugboy1028> Without Mod, is it possible to hold chicken?
#2086 [14:37] <xales> Bugboy1028: no
#2087 [14:37] <Firelight730> o it IS outdated
#2088 [14:38] <brienza> Question: what's the maximum distance I can place torches from each other in my house so mobs don't spawn?
#2089 [14:38] <Bugboy1028> 11 cubes
#2090 [14:38] <Bugboy1028> hmm
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#2092 [14:38] <Bugboy1028> wait..
#2093 [14:38] <Bugboy1028> about 6 cubes, my bad
#2094 [14:38] <Kealper> it'd be more like...13-14 i think, never thought about it much
#2095 [14:39] <Kealper> actually....lemme ponder on that
#2096 [14:39] <brienza> Okay. Is that 6 cubes from one to the next, or a space of 6, if that makes any sense.
#2097 [14:39] <Bugboy1028> brienza, can you tell us your length and wide of the house?
#2098 [14:39] <brienza> Sure. The floorspace is 18x18, and is 20x20 with the walls
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#2100 [14:40] <Firelight730> too bad opencraft is dead
#2101 [14:40] <Firelight730> i miss it
#2102 [14:40] <Kealper> about 8 spaces between torches
#2103 [14:40] <brienza> Okay, thank you.
#2104 [14:40] <Bugboy1028> For each floor, you will need 9 torches
#2105 [14:40] <Kealper> you might be able to get away with 9 spaces between torches but that might be pushing it
#2106 [14:41] <Bugboy1028> or 8 torches if you gambled
#2107 [14:41] <brienza> Thanks everybody!
#2108 [14:41] <Bugboy1028> you're welcome
#2109 [14:42] <Bugboy1028> Kealper, i know the rule said I cant IDLE but could I idle if i am using MineCraft and watch this help channel?
#2110 [14:42] <xales> the rules don't say you can't idle
#2111 [14:42] <Firelight730> how much spaces in between with obsidian???
#2112 [14:42] <Morrolan> Same, Firelight.
#2113 [14:42] <Kealper> you're free to idle all you want in here O.o
#2114 [14:43] <Firelight730> wow
#2115 [14:43] <Firelight730> EPIC GUI FOR A DRIVER INSTALLER
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#2117 [14:43] <Kealper> o.o
#2118 [14:43] <Morrolan> Welcome to the future...
#2119 [14:43] <gingerale> Ohnooooo! D:
#2120 [14:43] <Firelight730> IT'S... SO... PRETTY...
#2121 [14:43] <gingerale> Minecraft crashes after I login!
#2122 [14:43] <Morrolan> it's...so...loud
#2123 [14:43] <gingerale> java.lang.IllegalStateException: Only one LWJGL context may be instantiated at any one time.
#2124 [14:43] <gingerale> :(
#2125 [14:44] <gingerale> But I'm not running anything but it!
#2126 [14:44] <Kealper> gingerale: restart your computer, your video card is hating you right now
#2127 [14:44] <gingerale> Ohhhh
#2128 [14:44] <Kealper> gingerale: if that doesn't fix it, then crap
#2129 [14:44] <gingerale> That could be it ^^
#2130 [14:44] <gingerale> I'll try that later!
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#2132 [14:44] <Bugboy1028> if that doesn't fix it, then destory your computer
#2133 [14:45] <gingerale> Psh
#2134 [14:45] <Bugboy1028> and take it to computer repair center
#2135 [14:45] <Firelight730> HOPE IT HAS WARRANTY
#2136 [14:46] <Kealper> stop with the caps lock :/
#2137 [14:46] <Firelight730> ZOMFG
#2138 [14:46] <Kealper> caps lock may be cruise control for cool, but you still have to steer
#2139 [14:46] <Firelight730> EW DRIVER SUPPORTS 3D!
#2140 [14:46] <Desparil> pls stop
#2141 [14:46] <Firelight730> EW=WTF
#2142 [14:46] <Kealper> less caps lock or you will find yourself kicked to the curb
#2143 [14:46] <gingerale> Only problem with my computer is the hard drive! It's broken. So I'm running this on a flash drive. :o
#2144 [14:47] <Bugboy1028> Running Computer without Hard Drive?!?!!
#2145 [14:47] <Firelight730> won^^^
#2146 [14:47] <Desparil> I dont think minecraft understands portforwarding tbh...
#2147 [14:47] <Kealper> Desparil: eh?
#2148 [14:47] <gingerale> It's not THAT broken. It just has so many parts not working that it crashes if something tries to write on a broken section
#2149 [14:48] <Kealper> you should probably get that fixed before it totally dies on you :/
#2150 [14:48] <Desparil> well I cant host behind a router whatsoever
#2151 [14:48] <Desparil> and I have a CCNA...
#2152 [14:48] <gingerale> I'm planning on buying a new one once my job starts and just find a way to salvage the data on it
#2153 [14:49] <Kealper> Desparil: then it's your router that doesn't understand port forwarding ._.
#2154 [14:49] <Desparil> Cisco understand everything
#2155 [14:50] <Kealper> then you're doing your forwarding wrong...are you hosting it off the same computer you play it on?
#2156 [14:51] <Firelight730> d-link also
#2157 [14:51] <Desparil> I'
#2158 [14:51] <Desparil> I know I have forwarded correct... I am 100%
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#2160 [14:52] <Kealper> can you connect to your server with it's internal ip? (or localhost if you host from the same computer you play on)
#2161 [14:52] <Desparil> sure
#2162 [14:52] <Desparil> I dont think it can be fixed... I have tried for weeks
#2163 [14:52] <Desparil> wrote om forums
#2164 [14:52] <Hempa> is minecraft lagging for everyone right now?
#2165 [14:52] <Bugboy1028> for me, it's always lagging
#2166 [14:53] <Bugboy1028> IDK why
#2167 [14:53] <Hempa> ok
#2168 [14:53] <Bugboy1028> But if I get rid of trees, then it's working fine
#2169 [14:53] <Hempa> I cant join my buddys server
#2170 [14:53] <Kealper> Hempa: what does it say when you try?
#2171 [14:53] <Hempa> timie errorr
#2172 [14:53] <Hempa> time error
#2173 [14:54] <Hempa> I think
#2174 [14:54] <Kealper> connection time out?
#2175 [14:54] <Hempa> yeah stuff like that
#2176 [14:54] <Kealper> then his IP probably changed
#2177 [14:54] <Hempa> ok
#2178 [14:54] <Hempa> ill try that
#2179 [14:56] <Hempa> he has same IP
#2180 [14:56] <xales> did it ever work? or is this the first time you tried?
#2181 [14:56] <Kealper> and his server is running?
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#2184 [14:56] <Hempa> he says it's runninng
#2185 [14:57] <the_mike_man> How d'you Authorise your Nick on #minecraft
#2186 [14:57] <the_mike_man> ?
#2187 [14:57] <Hempa> now it says"logging in" for me
#2188 [14:57] <Kealper> ??>> the_mike_man irc
#2189 [14:57] <the_mike_man> righto
#2190 [14:58] <the_mike_man> The instructions in the channel are off
#2191 [14:58] <Kealper> oh?
#2192 [14:58] <Morrolan> the_mike_man: Do the following:
#2193 [14:58] <Kealper> Morrolan: already had a bot tell him
#2194 [14:58] <Morrolan> Ok
#2195 [14:58] <the_mike_man> Yeah lol
#2196 [14:58] <the_mike_man> sorry
#2197 [14:58] <the_mike_man> Cheers
#2198 [14:58] <Morrolan> Np ^^
#2199 [14:58] <Morrolan> Didn't notice the command he issued.
#2200 [14:59] <Kealper> i didn't feel like having it spam the channel lol
#2201 [14:59] <xales> ??> Kealper irc
#2202 [14:59] <VoxelHead> Kealper: (irc) For IRC help, you should ask in the channel #help - you can get there using the command "/join #help"
#2203 [14:59] <the_mike_man> And yet it has managed to anyway xP
#2204 [14:59] <VoxelHead> Kealper: (irc) If you can't talk in #minecraft ("Cannot send to channel") you must register your IRC nickname, using the command "/msg NickServ REGISTER password email". Remember to use a valid email. Go to #help if you need further assistance with this
#2205 [14:59] <xales> spam! \o/
#2206 [14:59] <Kealper> ._.
#2207 [15:00] <Kealper> the_mike_man: it has now...lol
#2208 [15:00] <the_mike_man> :3
#2209 [15:00] <Kealper> the_mike_man: also, what you the first time was a notice sent to you, only you could read it
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#2211 [15:01] <the_mike_man> Yeah...what?
#2212 [15:01] <mib_dus82f> hey how do i get a flatgrass map on my server?
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#2214 [15:01] <Kealper> mib_dus82f: a tool like MCEdit
#2215 [15:01] <Morrolan> Either use MCEdit or downloa an existind one.
#2216 [15:01] <Morrolan> existing*
#2217 [15:01] <Morrolan> download*
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#2219 [15:01] * Morrolan practices writing.
#2219 [15:02] <mib_dus82f> how do i get it in to the server ?
#2220 [15:03] <Morrolan> Which server?
#2221 [15:03] <mib_dus82f> my server
#2222 [15:03] <brienza> Is it possible to completely remove things from the game, like saplings?
#2223 [15:03] <Kealper> not without mods
#2224 [15:03] <xales> brienza: if you use a mod
#2225 [15:03] <the1mike1man> lol Sapling hate
#2226 [15:03] <xales> mib_dus82f: do you mean how do you connect to it?
#2227 [15:03] <bellows> hello, i am having issues with java crashing when i play the game. I will play the game for about 30 min - 1 hour, then it will black screen, then a message "java [current version, i dont remember] has stopped working"
#2228 [15:03] <Morrolan> mib_dus82f: Is it already running?
#2229 [15:03] <brienza> I have like 150 saplings XD
#2230 [15:04] <Kealper> bellows: have you reinstalled java?
#2231 [15:04] <Morrolan> brienza: Throw them in a lava pit. :p
#2232 [15:04] <bellows> yes
#2233 [15:04] <brienza> Okay
#2234 [15:04] <Bugboy1028> brienza, I tend to set all sapling with 1 cube space between them
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#2236 [15:04] <mib_dus82f> my server is working but how i get the map into it i have a file level.dat
#2237 [15:04] <Bugboy1028> after all of saplings grew up, I set one tree on fire and walk away
#2238 [15:05] <brienza> Clever :P
#2239 [15:05] <xales> mib_dus82f: level.dat isn't the entire map
#2240 [15:05] <Bugboy1028> reduced 64 to about 4 saplings
#2241 [15:05] <Bugboy1028> and 20 logs
#2242 [15:05] <bellows> i check the minecraft process in task manager (again i forget what its called) but the memory usage keeps going up, regardless of what i am doing
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#2244 [15:05] <Kealper> bellows: how far up? because minecraft can use up to 1gb of ram
#2245 [15:06] <bellows> it just crashed at 1.2 something gb
#2246 [15:06] <brienza> I'm running it on 512 MB fine O.o
#2247 [15:06] <Kealper> hmm...and there is no error or crash logs of any kind that you can see?
#2248 [15:06] <bellows> no
#2249 [15:07] <bellows> i have 4 gb ram on this system, win 4
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#2251 [15:08] <bellows> looking on google, some people call it a memory leak, others say "no" because java is doing garbage collection to free up memory, i dont really what it is, i want to play the game
#2252 [15:08] <xales> do you have anything else open?
#2253 [15:08] <xales> including antivirus, some are known to cause problems
#2254 [15:08] <the1mike1man> What OS was it?
#2255 [15:09] <Bugboy1028> one question at time!
#2256 [15:09] <bellows> win 7
#2257 [15:09] <the1mike1man> lol
#2258 [15:09] <bellows> and i have msn and firefox open
#2259 [15:09] <the1mike1man> Strange
#2260 [15:09] <xales> close those
#2261 [15:09] <the1mike1man> Have you tried running the .jar file for it
#2262 [15:09] <the1mike1man> Shouldn't really make a difference tbg
#2263 [15:09] <the1mike1man> tbh*
#2264 [15:10] <bellows> no i have not
#2265 [15:14] <Desparil> hrm my client cant connect til minecraft login ?
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#2268 [15:14] <Desparil> it uses same adress as minecraft.net?
#2269 [15:14] <Kitsukami> Um, excuse me
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#2271 [15:15] <Desparil> uh the login server?
#2272 [15:15] <xales> Desparil: what/
#2273 [15:15] <xales> ?*
#2274 [15:15] <Desparil> I always get in offline mode very strange
#2275 [15:15] <xales> Desparil: are you using the new launcher?
#2276 [15:15] <Kitsukami> Can someone please help me?
#2277 [15:15] <Desparil> yes
#2278 [15:15] <xales> Kitsukami: with?
#2279 [15:16] <Kitsukami> I just need help fixing whatever is causing this horrible lag when I play multiplayer...
#2280 [15:16] <xales> Desparil: and it says "cannot connect to minecraft.net"?
#2281 [15:16] <xales> Kitsukami: http://speedtest.net/ run that, click "direct link" and it will copy a link for you. paste that in here
#2282 [15:16] <Desparil> hrm I can see website but not connect?
#2283 [15:16] <xales> Desparil: what username are you trying to connect with?
#2284 [15:16] <Kitsukami> Okay
#2285 [15:17] <Desparil> oh now I got in!
#2286 [15:17] <Desparil> stronge
#2287 [15:17] <Firelight730> no........
#2288 [15:18] <Kitsukami> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1176832722.png
#2289 [15:18] <xales> Kitsukami: It's the server then
#2290 [15:18] <Kitsukami> But I've tried 2 different servers and both of them lag the same
#2291 [15:18] <Bugboy1028> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1176833444.png
#2292 [15:18] <Firelight730> minecraft freezes after loading a world
#2293 [15:19] <xales> Kitsukami: try 'smp.shadow-craft.net'
#2294 [15:19] <Kitsukami> Okay.
#2295 [15:19] <xales> Firelight730: does it do that when you create a new world?
#2296 [15:20] <Desparil> xales is that your server? :)
#2297 [15:20] <xales> Desparil: no
#2298 [15:20] <Desparil> ok
#2299 [15:20] <Firelight730> when i LOAD a world
#2300 [15:20] <xales> Firelight730: you didn't answer the question
#2301 [15:20] <Kitsukami> It said it took too long to log in.
#2302 [15:20] <xales> does it do it when you create a new world
#2303 [15:20] <xales> Kitsukami: what username are you using?
#2304 [15:20] <Kitsukami> Kitsukami
#2305 [15:21] <Firelight730> no
#2306 [15:21] <xales> Kitsukami: try connecting again
#2307 [15:21] <Kitsukami> Okay, I'm in
#2308 [15:22] <xales> Firelight730: then one of the worlds is corrupted
#2309 [15:22] <Kitsukami> It looks like it's still lagging
#2310 [15:22] <Firelight730> no it worked last time
#2311 [15:22] <xales> Kitsukami: but it doesn't lag in single player?
#2312 [15:22] <xales> Firelight730: if it freezes when it loads, then it is corrupted.
#2313 [15:23] <Firelight730> are you sure it isn't a mod???
#2314 [15:23] <Kitsukami> I haven't tried single player
#2315 [15:23] <xales> Firelight730: if you are using a mod, then we can't help with that. mods are unoffical and not supported
#2316 [15:24] <Firelight730> let me try getting a new jar file
#2317 [15:24] <Kitsukami> I died. ._.
#2318 [15:24] <Bugboy1028> how do you make armour?
#2319 [15:24] <Firelight730> 1 thing i learned
#2320 [15:24] <Morrolan> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Armour
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#2322 [15:24] <Firelight730> ALWAYS try mods seperately
#2323 [15:24] <Kitsukami> See, here's the problem: When I try to break/build things, they don't show up or break until a minute or so after they should
#2324 [15:25] <Kitsukami> When I try to send chat, it doesn't show up until about a minute later
#2325 [15:25] <xales> Kitsukami: on singleplayer too?
#2326 [15:25] <Kitsukami> I haven't tried single player.
#2327 [15:25] <Firelight730> im going to quit and log in later cuz it's lagging like hell
#2328 [15:25] <xales> try single player
#2329 [15:26] <Kitsukami> It works fine on single player
#2330 [15:26] <xales> does it lag on the smp.shadow-craft.net server too?
#2331 [15:26] <Kitsukami> Yeah
#2332 [15:27] <xales> chat lags too?
#2333 [15:27] <Kitsukami> I really hope I can fix this... my boyfriend bought this game for me yesterday...
#2334 [15:27] <Kitsukami> Yeah, it does.
#2335 [15:27] <xales> on the shadow-craft server?
#2336 [15:27] <Kitsukami> Yes
#2337 [15:28] <Kitsukami> Is there some sort of update or something I need? D:
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#2340 [15:28] <xales> Kitsukami: no...but I have an idea
#2341 [15:28] <Kitsukami> ?
#2342 [15:29] <xales> are you running any kind of firewall on your computer? several are known to cause severe issues with things, Minecraft specifically
#2343 [15:29] <rnzr> hey guys. i wonder how to find a good multiplayer servers for the beta? any suggestions?
#2344 [15:30] <dopeghoti> ??> rnzr smp/servers
#2345 [15:30] <VoxelHead> rnzr: (smp/servers) This is by no means an official server list, but you can find a list of public servers here: http://minecraft.abyssal-legion.com/serverstatus/
#2346 [15:30] <Kitsukami> Um, I don't know. I have Avast Antivirus.
#2347 [15:30] <VoxelHead> rnzr: (smp/servers) You can also ask if there are any server admins in #SMP looking for new players.
#2348 [15:30] <xales> rnzr: http://minestatus.net/ and http://mcserverlist.net/
#2349 [15:30] <xales> Kitsukami: do you have any firewall though? like Norton or ZoneAlarm or a similar thing?
#2350 [15:30] <rnzr> smp is a minecraft specific thing?
#2351 [15:31] <Kitsukami> Nothing that I got specifically for that purpose.
#2352 [15:31] <xales> smp is survival multiplayer
#2353 [15:31] <dopeghoti> rnzr: SMP == Survival Multuplayer
#2354 [15:31] <rnzr> :)
#2355 [15:31] <rnzr> ok!
#2356 [15:31] <xales> dopeghoti: no +o?
#2357 [15:31] <rnzr> thank you for the direction1
#2358 [15:31] <dopeghoti> eh?
#2359 [15:31] <Needhelpmcasap> Hi, I got an issue in the singleplayer survival mod. My save freezes after 2-10 seconds of playing. Can I somehow fix this?
#2360 [15:31] <dopeghoti> must have disconnected overnight.
#2361 [15:32] <dopeghoti> or netsplitdeauth
#2362 [15:32] <rnzr> which leads to another question: what are other survival multiplayer games :)
#2363 [15:32] <rnzr> but i prolly shoud just G it !
#2364 [15:32] <xales> Needhelpmcasap: does it do that with a new world?
#2365 [15:32] <Needhelpmcasap> no
#2366 [15:32] <Needhelpmcasap> only the old save
#2367 [15:32] <xales> are/were you using any mods?
#2368 [15:32] <Needhelpmcasap> no
#2369 [15:32] <Needhelpmcasap> :P
#2370 [15:33] <Kitsukami> Um... so then is there anything I can do? Or did my boyfriend waste his money...?
#2371 [15:33] <xales> Kitsukami: is the computer a laptop?
#2372 [15:34] <Kitsukami> No
#2373 [15:34] <xales> can you do the same thing with speedtest.net but http://pingtest.net/ - do the same thing, and paste it here
#2374 [15:36] <Needhelpmcasap> @xales u got any suggestions for how I can fix my minecraft freeze?
#2375 [15:36] <Kitsukami> http://www.pingtest.net/result/35639963.png
#2376 [15:36] <xales> Needhelpmcasap: it sounds like the world is corrupted. try opening it in MCEdit and resaving it
#2377 [15:37] <xales> Kitsukami: do you have any other programs open, and is anyone on the same Internet connection as you doing anything using the Internet?
#2378 [15:37] <Desparil> you guys think that opendns could be the reason why people cant connect to me ?
#2379 [15:37] <xales> Desparil: what would opendns have to do with that?
#2380 [15:37] <Kitsukami> Well... someone's playing Call of Duty. owo
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#2382 [15:37] <Desparil> I dont know why I'm asking you know
#2383 [15:38] <xales> Desparil: what happens when someone tries to connect?
#2384 [15:38] <Desparil> genericReason
#2385 [15:38] <xales> Kitsukami: can you ask them to stop so you can try again?
#2386 [15:38] <Desparil> might as well say "whatever" :p
#2387 [15:38] <xales> Desparil: what error does the client see
#2388 [15:38] <Kitsukami> I could, but they won't.
#2389 [15:38] <Desparil> dropped
#2390 [15:38] <Kitsukami> They're one of those people that think they're seriously in the army. >>
#2391 [15:38] <xales> Desparil: dropped?
#2392 [15:39] <xales> Kitsukami: =/
#2393 [15:39] <Kitsukami> If I wanted to try it without the COD, then I'd have to wait until tomorrow.;
#2394 [15:39] <nevercast> Kealper, My backup script is being fuckin' stupid :(
#2395 [15:40] <Desparil> I try without opendns...
#2396 [15:40] <dopeghoti> nevercast: would you like to see a working backup scropt? (:
#2397 [15:40] <xales> Kitsukami: if it's lagging on every multiplayer server but not singleplayer, then the problem is either with your Internet connection (could be because someone is playing COD) or your computer
#2398 [15:40] <xales> Desparil: that is not the issue
#2399 [15:40] <nevercast> dopeghoti, it seems my script isn't updating
#2400 [15:40] <xales> Desparil: what brand of NIC is in the server?
#2401 [15:40] <nevercast> dopeghoti, if I copy to an already existing file with scp. Is it going to not overwrite?
#2402 [15:41] <Desparil> *loads everest*
#2403 [15:41] <Kitsukami> It's not with my computer, I know that much. I can play any other game and it won't lag at all.
#2404 [15:41] <Kitsukami> But it only lags for this game for some reason. >>
#2405 [15:41] <dopeghoti> nevercast: it should, but at that point it sounds like you should be using rsync
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#2407 [15:41] <nevercast> dopeghoti, which does?
#2408 [15:41] <xales> Kitsukami: Minecraft isn't every other game - it's written in Java and uses a rediculous amount of resources and Internet traffic
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#2410 [15:41] <Kitsukami> So there's basically nothing I can do...?
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#2412 [15:42] <Desparil> xales Atheros
#2413 [15:42] <nevercast> OMG FML
#2414 [15:42] <xales> Desparil: that's the problem
#2415 [15:42] <xales> ?? fubar/nic
#2416 [15:42] <nevercast> I had the arguments the wrong way around
#2417 [15:42] <VoxelHead> fubar/nic: Unfortunately, Minecraft has an incompatibility with certain network interface chipsets that manifests with a "Recv Timed Out" or a "Socket Write" error.
#2418 [15:42] <Desparil> hehe
#2419 [15:42] <VoxelHead> fubar/nic: Your only three solutions at the moment are to buy a new NIC, to switch to Linux or MacOS (which does not have this problem), or to wait for Notch to find and fix the problem.
#2420 [15:42] <nevercast> dopeghoti, it was downloading from my vps to my laptop. not uploading
#2421 [15:42] <Desparil> I have some laying around
#2422 [15:42] <nevercast> dopeghoti, arguments were backwards
#2423 [15:42] <nevercast> dopeghoti, stupid script D:
#2424 [15:42] <Desparil> so thats it? simple as that? :D
#2425 [15:42] <xales> yeah
#2426 [15:43] <Desparil> why dont you put it in big fat letters on forums :p
#2427 [15:43] <xales> people don't know how to read, and the forums are full of retard
#2428 [15:43] <xales> it's not worth it. I don't use the forums =/
#2429 [15:44] <Desparil> they are fairly flooded yeah
#2430 [15:44] <Kitsukami> T.T
#2431 [15:44] <Morrolan> Well, it wouldn't be that bad if it was only flooded, but people there refuse to read stickies and use the forum search as well.
#2432 [15:45] <Desparil> I have read alot about my chipset yes, but didnt want to face the facts
#2433 [15:45] <Kitsukami> Should I try adding an exception for minecraft on the windows firewall thingy?
#2434 [15:45] <Desparil> cuz you know I can host through hamachi
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#2436 [15:46] <xales> Kitsukami: you could just try turning it off; Windows Firewall doesn't do much and if you are behind a router, you don't actually need a firewlal
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#2438 [15:46] <Kitsukami> Are you sure?
#2439 [15:46] <xales> Absolutely. That's how routers work
#2440 [15:46] <Desparil> windows firewall is laughable
#2441 [15:47] <nevercast> dopeghoti, I think I fixed it :D
#2442 [15:47] <Kitsukami> Okay, it's off.
#2443 [15:47] <dopeghoti> splendid
#2444 [15:48] <Kitsukami> JESUS CHRIST
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#2446 [15:48] <Kitsukami> It's still not working. ><
#2447 [15:48] <xales> dopeghoti: any idea about Kitsukami's problem? (lag on any server, even known good ones. no lag in single player. internet connection is fine, ping is fine)
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#2449 [15:49] <xales> Kitsukami: can you double check that is the only firewall you had? many computers come with a crappy trial version of something
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#2452 [15:49] <Kitsukami> Like I said, I have Avast Antivirus, but I don't know if there's a firewall on it.
#2453 [15:50] <Kitsukami> And I don't know how to check either
#2454 [15:50] <xales> Look in the "Add/Remove programs
#2455 [15:50] <xales> thing
#2456 [15:50] <xales> just scroll through the list
#2457 [15:50] <SkiingPenguins> or perhaps the tray..?
#2458 [15:50] <Desparil> xales I was writing with the one that was trying to connect to me, he "timed out" each time, still think that is due to socket error?
#2459 [15:51] <SkiingPenguins> xales i've got lag on all servers, someone said it is cause of my internet speed though
#2460 [15:51] <xales> Desparil: if they get timed out then they are using the wrong IP or you port forwarded incorrectly
#2461 [15:51] <Kitsukami> How much does this game cost anyway? >> He wouldn't tell me how much he spent.
#2462 [15:51] <needhelpmcasap> Hi again. I have opened my save in mcedit and done some changes. Then I saved it and tried, but my save is still freezing :/
#2463 [15:51] <Syntria> Question: I know there are plenty of AFK plugins for servers, but is there a way to make an AFK plugin that doesn't activate until a server's slots are full? or there are X amount of players online?
#2464 [15:51] <Desparil> aha
#2465 [15:52] <xales> ??> Syntria mods
#2466 [15:52] <VoxelHead> Syntria: (mods) This channel is not a venue for support with third-party mods. For assistance with Bukkit, check #Bukkit
#2467 [15:52] <VoxelHead> Syntria: (mods) You will find a lot of information here: http://tiny.cc/gentle-mod-install-tut Also, for forther assistance with many other mods, check #RisuCraft - mod help here is more likely once the official API is revealed.
#2468 [15:52] <xales> needhelpmcasap: it sounds like the world is beyong fixing then =/
#2469 [15:52] <Desparil> so for port forwarding to work you need to set server-ip= in server.properties ?
#2470 [15:52] <xales> Kitsukami: http://minecraft.net/
#2471 [15:52] <xales> Desparil: no, you must not put an IP in there
#2472 [15:52] <Desparil> didnt
#2473 [15:52] <Desparil> well nothing else to do than blame atheros then :p
#2474 [15:52] <xales> it's still possible it's the atheros card
#2475 [15:52] <Desparil> hey man thanks for helping out :)
#2476 [15:52] <Syntria> Thanks Voxel
#2477 [15:52] <xales> because nobody I know has successfully run a MC server on an atheros card
#2478 [15:52] <Kitsukami> What do I need that for?
#2479 [15:53] <xales> Kitsukami: so you can see how much it costs?
#2480 [15:53] <dopeghoti> xales: good news: flood control improvements discussed last night are in-place.
#2481 [15:53] <SkiingPenguins> 14.95 euros
#2482 [15:53] <Kitsukami> I don't buy things in euros
#2483 [15:53] <Kitsukami> I don't know what that is.
#2484 [15:53] <xales> Kitsukami: 14.95 euros is about $20
#2485 [15:54] <Desparil> write in google 14.95eur :p
#2486 [15:54] <SkiingPenguins> ignorant people >.<
#2487 [15:54] <Desparil> lmao
#2488 [15:54] <Kitsukami> Oh.
#2489 [15:54] <Kitsukami> Are you calling me ignorant...?
#2490 [15:54] <xales> Kitsukami: you can try waiting until the next update and see if that fixes the problem
#2491 [15:55] <Kitsukami> When is the next update going to be?
#2492 [15:55] <xales> Eventually =/
#2493 [15:55] <xales> probably a week or two
#2494 [15:55] <Kitsukami> :\
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#2497 [15:58] <mcserver> Server: smp.minecraft.net now online!
#2498 [15:58] <nevercast> LOL WHAT
#2499 [15:58] <nevercast> Wait hold up!!
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#2501 [15:58] <dopeghoti> thanks for sharing, mcserver, but server ads are better placed in #SMP
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#2503 [15:59] <nevercast> dopeghoti, Should I just silence the announce?
#2504 [15:59] <nevercast> although it's meant to say nevercast.net lol.
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#2506 [15:59] <Kitsukami> Is there ANYONE that can help me...? ><
#2507 [15:59] <nevercast> Kitsukami, NO ONE IN THE WORLD :D
#2508 [15:59] <Kitsukami> T.T
#2509 [15:59] <dopeghoti> Kitsukami: What, sir or ma'am or other, is the problem?
#2510 [15:59] <nevercast> lol what is your problem?
#2511 [15:59] <Kitsukami> Everything.
#2512 [15:59] <Kitsukami> Xales already tried to help me.
#2513 [16:00] <dopeghoti> Well, then, fix it. problem solved.
#2514 [16:00] <Kitsukami> But apparently nothing is working
#2515 [16:00] <dopeghoti> ?? error
#2516 [16:00] <VoxelHead> error: It's not helpful to just say "Some error" or "Some message". We need to know exactly what error(s) you are getting in order to tell you what it means.
#2517 [16:00] <VoxelHead> error: If the error is more than one or two lines, please use PasteBin (http://www.pastebin.com) so as not to flood the channel.
#2518 [16:01] <Kitsukami> Everything is lagging by like a minute.
#2519 [16:01] <dopeghoti> Single-player or multi?
#2520 [16:01] <Kitsukami> But apparently my connection is fine, my ping is fine, and there's no reason I should be having these problems.
#2521 [16:01] <Kitsukami> Multiplayer.
#2522 [16:01] <Kitsukami> Single player is fine
#2523 [16:01] <dopeghoti> Just one server or several?
#2524 [16:01] <Kitsukami> Any server I go to so far.
#2525 [16:01] <dopeghoti> What sort of conenction are you on?
#2526 [16:02] <Kitsukami> I don't know.
#2527 [16:02] <dopeghoti> oh.. kay. go to ipchicken.com, and tell me what your IP address is please.
#2528 [16:02] <Kitsukami> Isn't it bad to give out your ip address? ._.
#2529 [16:03] <SkiingPenguins> no
#2530 [16:03] <dopeghoti> Not if you want help with network issues.
#2531 [16:03] <Kitsukami> 68.6.131.248
#2532 [16:04] <dopeghoti> Looks like Cox cable in Atlanta, GA
#2533 [16:04] <SkiingPenguins> 68.6.131.248 <-- my irc client told me that just by you talking to us so yea..
#2534 [16:04] <Kitsukami> lmao
#2535 [16:04] <Kitsukami> I'm not in Atlanta
#2536 [16:04] <Kitsukami> But I do have Cox
#2537 [16:04] <dopeghoti> Cox Communications Inc. COX-ATLANTA (NET-68-0-0-0-1) 68.0.0.0 - 68.15.255.255
#2538 [16:04] <Kitsukami> Well I'm in San Diego.
#2539 [16:04] <dopeghoti> o.O
#2540 [16:04] <SkiingPenguins> erm
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#2542 [16:05] <Kitsukami> What?
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#2544 [16:05] <SkiingPenguins> what network card are you using?
#2545 [16:05] <dopeghoti> indeed, traceroute goes to SD. Interesting.
#2546 [16:05] <Kitsukami> I don't even know what a network card is. :\
#2547 [16:05] <dopeghoti> Anywho
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#2549 [16:06] <dopeghoti> How is your computer connected to the 'net- ether? Wireless?
#2550 [16:06] <Kitsukami> What the heck is a net-ether?
#2551 [16:06] <Kitsukami> I'm on wired internet.
#2552 [16:06] <SkiingPenguins> ethernet
#2553 [16:06] <SkiingPenguins> yes that's ethernet
#2554 [16:06] <dopeghoti> Okay, and is it connected directly to your modem, or to a router?
#2555 [16:06] <Kitsukami> Router
#2556 [16:06] <Kitsukami> I think
#2557 [16:07] <Kitsukami> It's a little black thing with flashy lights on it and everything that uses internet is connected to it.
#2558 [16:07] <SkiingPenguins> what brand does it say?
#2559 [16:07] <dopeghoti> Do you have several computers or devices at your home that use the Internet?
#2560 [16:08] <Kitsukami> Only 3
#2561 [16:08] <Kitsukami> And it's Cisco
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#2564 [16:09] <Kitsukami> Hello?
#2565 [16:09] <dopeghoti> okay
#2566 [16:09] <dopeghoti> That Cisco device muse then be connected to another device
#2567 [16:09] <dopeghoti> must, rather.
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#2757 [16:20] <xales> it seems not
#2758 [16:20] <xales> O_o
#2759 [16:20] <xales> what happened?
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#2761 [16:21] <Kitsukami> I'm just going to assume this game was a total waste of money.
#2762 [16:21] <SkiingPenguins> eh first a ping timeout then a netsplit
#2763 [16:21] <dopeghoti> looks like the trinity node died a slow death
#2764 [16:21] <SkiingPenguins> Kitsukami it's your computer, not the game.
#2765 [16:21] <zezima> my motherboard is weird and my sound and internet onboard chips on motherboard interfere with my processor
#2766 [16:21] <Desparil> I changed my transmit buffer from 256 to 512 ?
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#2768 [16:21] <zezima> well duh its my computer lol
#2769 [16:21] <zezima> i knew that a long time ago
#2770 [16:21] <SkiingPenguins> i wasnt even talking to you >.<
#2771 [16:22] <Kitsukami> But there's got to be something that I'm missing. It shouldn't be my computer, because my computer is working fine and I have a decent connection
#2772 [16:22] <zezima> oh lol
#2773 [16:22] <Kitsukami> I just don't see why this would be happening at all
#2774 [16:22] <dopeghoti> Kitsukami: have you checked for network driver, or Java updates?
#2775 [16:22] <zezima> theres a ton of things that can slow own ur computer....
#2776 [16:22] <Desparil> Kitsukami its your router, just put yourself in a dmz
#2777 [16:22] <zezima> ever had system interrupts?
#2778 [16:22] <dopeghoti> Also, have you yet tried with your computer connected direcly to the internet like I suggested?
#2779 [16:22] <Kitsukami> What is a DMZ?
#2780 [16:22] <Desparil> you have d.link?
#2781 [16:23] <Kitsukami> I can't do that. ><
#2782 [16:23] <Desparil> its easy google it
#2783 [16:23] <SkiingPenguins> dopeghoti could his card be atheros?
#2784 [16:23] <dopeghoti> define "Can't".
#2785 [16:23] <Desparil> you know how to interface with router?
#2786 [16:23] <dopeghoti> because I think you can.
#2787 [16:23] <Kitsukami> No, I mean I CANT do it.
#2788 [16:23] <Kitsukami> I know how
#2789 [16:23] <zezima> so.. does anyone know how to make minecraft use more processing power?
#2790 [16:23] <Kitsukami> I'm not the only one on the internet. ><
#2791 [16:23] <SkiingPenguins> Kitsukami what type of computer do you have? brand/model
#2792 [16:23] <Kitsukami> I have no clue.
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#2794 [16:23] <SkiingPenguins> zezima it only uses what it needs, pretty much
#2795 [16:24] <dopeghoti> zezima: use.. more? If Windows, set priority higher; if POSIX, renice it.
#2796 [16:24] <Desparil> well if you cant change router settings then your done for...
#2797 [16:24] <Silent_Samurai|Phone> Herobrine!
#2798 [16:24] * Silent_Samurai|Phone runs away.
#2798 [16:24] <Kitsukami> Which is what I said. It was a waste of money.
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#2800 [16:24] <Kitsukami> I mean, the only thing you're buying is the ability to play online right?
#2801 [16:25] <dopeghoti> I'm still waiting for a definition of "can't".
#2802 [16:25] <SkiingPenguins> no
#2803 [16:25] <dopeghoti> and so, there's still SSP
#2804 [16:25] <Kitsukami> I already told you. ><
#2805 [16:25] <Kitsukami> I can't do it because someone's play a playstation online and I don't want to get punched in my face.
#2806 [16:25] <dopeghoti> no, you just said "I can't", and unless you lack thumbs or something, I'm inclined to disagree.
#2807 [16:25] <Desparil> kids playing PS should get punched
#2808 [16:25] <dopeghoti> TTANTS: "Can't", "Won't"
#2809 [16:25] <SkiingPenguins> lol
#2810 [16:26] <zezima> hey, can someone check and tell me if this is a good motherboard for windows 7? http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=P4VM890
#2811 [16:26] <Kitsukami> Dopehgoti: I CAN'T
#2812 [16:26] <Desparil> you can also try tunneling software
#2813 [16:26] <dopeghoti> You can; you choose not to.
#2814 [16:26] <qster> is there a nack to getting a guast to relight a portal? .. mine just got knocked out :/
#2815 [16:26] <Kitsukami> No, I can't.
#2816 [16:26] <Kitsukami> Because they won't let me
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#2818 [16:26] <Kitsukami> Therefore I don't have the ability to
#2819 [16:26] <Kitsukami> Which means I CAN'T.
#2820 [16:26] <dopeghoti> you're still capable; you choose not to.
#2821 [16:27] <Kitsukami> I'm not having this damn argument, you're not helping.
#2822 [16:27] <SkiingPenguins> dopeghoti some people dont let me help them
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#2824 [16:27] <Desparil> think any1 wants to help when you argue like that
#2825 [16:27] <dopeghoti> And you're choosing not to follow our advice. Seems we're at an impasse. Good day.
#2826 [16:27] <zezima> what if the router or what ever isnt kitsukami's problem?...
#2827 [16:27] <dopeghoti> zezima: that's what we're trying to find out, the most definitive way possible.
#2828 [16:27] <zezima> theres a ton of different thigns that can slow a computer down
#2829 [16:27] <Kitsukami> I'm not refusing, I told you that they WILL NOT LET ME. ><
#2830 [16:27] <Desparil> then its some retard uploading too much on the net
#2831 [16:27] <dopeghoti> "Is X the problem? Remove X."
#2832 [16:27] <Kitsukami> What do you want me to do, restrain them?
#2833 [16:27] <SkiingPenguins> Kitsukami what type of computer are you using??
#2834 [16:28] <Kitsukami> I have no idea what computer I'm using.
#2835 [16:28] <SkiingPenguins> it says on the damn thing
#2836 [16:28] <Kitsukami> Do you mean the company?
#2837 [16:28] <SkiingPenguins> yea
#2838 [16:28] <dopeghoti> Kitsukami: no, I want you to cease restraining yourself. In the time we've been kibitzing about this, we could have tested the connection and had the router back in place already.
#2839 [16:28] <Kitsukami> Dell
#2840 [16:28] <SkiingPenguins> kitsukami what type of dell?
#2841 [16:28] <Desparil> this is useless...
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#2843 [16:28] <Kitsukami> I don't know where to find what kind it is
#2844 [16:29] <SkiingPenguins> it's on one of the sides, generally near where it says dell
#2845 [16:29] <zezima> my processor is incompatible with the internet chip in my motherboard and gave me system interrupts and slowing my game down something fierce
#2846 [16:29] <Kitsukami> I think "Inspiron S315
#2847 [16:29] <zezima> could it be that my computer isnt made for windows 7?
#2848 [16:30] <zezima> it came with windows xp
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#2850 [16:30] <SkiingPenguins> zezima what's the processor GHZ?
#2851 [16:31] <Kitsukami> Is that the kind of computer it is?
#2852 [16:31] <zezima> intel pentium 4, 3.4ghz single core cpu
#2853 [16:31] <Kitsukami> Or should I look for something else
#2854 [16:31] <SkiingPenguins> Kitsukami look for a "service tag"
#2855 [16:31] <SkiingPenguins> a silvery looking sticker
#2856 [16:31] <brienza> 3.4? Damn, I only have a 2.8 GHz Pentium 4.
#2857 [16:31] <zezima> its like 8 years old i bought it off ebay for 40$
#2858 [16:31] <zezima> and i has 1.5gb of ram
#2859 [16:32] <zezima> it really really really freakin annoy me when people say this to me:
#2860 [16:32] <zezima> well you have 1.5gb of ram and minecraft allocates 12gb at start up so you dont have enough...
#2861 [16:32] <brienza> ...what
#2862 [16:32] <zezima> 1gb not 12 )_o
#2863 [16:32] <Kitsukami> I found it, but there isn't anything I can read that would help me determine what it is.
#2864 [16:32] <zezima> O_o
#2865 [16:33] <brienza> I have 1/3 of that and MC runs fine on Tiny view
#2866 [16:33] <SkiingPenguins> Kitsukami it doesnt say a string of letters and numbers?
#2867 [16:33] <dopeghoti> well, truthfully, 1.5GiB of RAM is the bare minimum
#2868 [16:33] <brienza> On Short view it's a bit choppy
#2869 [16:33] <Kitsukami> Well, it does. But there are lots of strings of letters and numbers
#2870 [16:33] <SkiingPenguins> Kitsukami tell me them
#2871 [16:34] <Kitsukami> Dell LBL P/N:Mx990 A00
#2872 [16:34] <zezima> the bare minimum for windows 7 is my motherboards maximum :/
#2873 [16:34] <Kitsukami> Is that the right one?
#2874 [16:34] <zezima> i can only have 2gb of ddr1 ram
#2875 [16:35] <SkiingPenguins> Kitsukami no
#2876 [16:35] <zezima> would my computer be able to run a minecraft beta server?
#2877 [16:36] <Kitsukami> NMB-003 du Canada.
#2878 [16:36] <Kitsukami> I don't know what I'm looking for. ><
#2879 [16:36] <Kitsukami> Is there a way to tell from my computer and not the actual case?
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#2881 [16:36] <zezima> i had one running on my computer but it was so slow but it worked
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#2883 [16:36] <SkiingPenguins> Kitsukami i was trying to see the specs of your computer
#2884 [16:37] <Kitsukami> Well why didn't you say so? Can't I just tell you the ram and stuff?
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#2886 [16:38] <zezima> it doesnt sound like you know much about computers.. lol
#2887 [16:38] <Kitsukami> Oh, what if I tell you my Product ID?
#2888 [16:38] <Kitsukami> Zezima: Thank you for pointing out the obvious. >>
#2889 [16:38] <zezima> :D
#2890 [16:39] <Kitsukami> SkiingPenguins?
#2891 [16:39] <zezima> what the crap is this csrss.exe thing?? alls it does it take cpu power
#2892 [16:39] <brienza> I think it's necessary to run windows
#2893 [16:39] <zezima> i read about it, it manages all the programs
#2894 [16:39] <zezima> it doesnt work right and it gives cpu power to programs that dont need it and it ignores my game
#2895 [16:40] <zezima> but i installed windows 7 yesterday.. i have no viruse
#2896 [16:40] <zezima> viruses
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#2898 [16:41] <Kitsukami> Hello?
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#2900 [16:43] <Kitsukami> What the hell, is everyone ignoring me or something?
#2901 [16:43] <Nach0z> arrighty then... um, i'm having an issue with running minecraft on my Ubuntu machine. I'm on 10.10, i HAVE installed java, but when i run "java -jar <minecraft.jar file>" it says "Failed to load main-class manifest attribute"
#2902 [16:44] <Nach0z> any ideas? I asked in the qnet minecraft channel and nobody there had any idea either... lol
#2903 [16:45] <ciaron> Nach0z: what're the filer permissions on your jar?
#2904 [16:47] <Nach0z> um. The file isn't root, but even when I run the command as sudo it gives me the same error :/
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#2906 [16:47] <Nach0z> so... i am the owner of the file lol.
#2907 [16:47] <PcJamesy> is the login sever down or overloaded
#2908 [16:47] <xales> Nach0z: make sure you have execute permission on the file
#2909 [16:48] <Nach0z> Yeah i just did sudo chmod a+rwx on the file, same error though :/
#2910 [16:48] <xales> try this
#2911 [16:48] <xales> ?? java/linux/debian
#2912 [16:48] <VoxelHead> java/linux/debian: While OpenJDK is reported to work just fine, you probably want to install the Oracle JRE, which is in the sun-java6-jre package
#2913 [16:48] <paddy> Where can I find the IP's of the servers on this page: http://www.minecraft.net/servers.jsp?
#2914 [16:48] <VoxelHead> java/linux/debian: To install it, `sudo apt-get sun-java6-jre && sudo update-alternatives --config java`
#2915 [16:48] <xales> paddy: those are Classic servers
#2916 [16:48] <Nach0z> already got the sun jre6... lemme try the update-alternatives thing.
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#2918 [16:49] <paddy> where is a good server list?
#2919 [16:49] <paddy> xales: ^
#2920 [16:49] <xales> paddy: http://mcserverlist.net/ http://minestatus.net/
#2921 [16:49] <Nach0z> hm. Setting the update-alternatives thing didn't do anything. Same error. "Failed to load Main-Class manifest attribute" etc etc...
#2922 [16:49] <TobeMan> Hello! Ive red in a minecraftforum article that you can use the /home command in a vanilla server. Is that correct?
#2923 [16:50] <Nach0z> this is why i'm on beta teams lol. I can break stuff so badly XD
#2924 [16:50] <xales> TobeMan: it is not
#2925 [16:50] <xales> Nach0z: try redownloading it
#2926 [16:50] <xales> .faq launcherjar
#2927 [16:50] <M> https://s3.amazonaws.com/MinecraftDownload/launcher/minecraft.jar
#2928 [16:50] <xales> ^you can use that link if you want
#2929 [16:50] <TobeMan> ok... is there any way to move to a location except using the tp command?
#2930 [16:51] <Nach0z> thanks xales. i'll try that...
#2931 [16:51] <xales> TobeMan: nope
#2932 [16:51] <TobeMan> ok. thanx.
#2933 [16:51] <TobeMan> :)
#2934 [16:52] <Nach0z> o.O Well that seems to have un-broken something....
#2935 [16:52] <Nach0z> um. It says "Play offline - not downloaded" though. :s
#2936 [16:52] <nevercast> xales, got experience with WorldGuard?
#2937 [16:52] <xales> nope
#2938 [16:53] <xales> Nach0z: play at http://minecraft.net/game/ once
#2939 [16:53] <xales> just login and let it download
#2940 [16:53] <Nach0z> ah. Ok. Thanks.
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#2946 [16:57] <relsqui_> .... hey
#2947 [16:57] <nevercast> lol.
#2948 [16:57] <nevercast> hi relsqui_
#2949 [16:57] <relsqui_> :|
#2950 [16:57] <relsqui_> fine, I will go all the way to the other room and shut down the other client
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#2952 [16:58] <xales> !lookup 203-118-171-17.adsl.ihug.co.nz
#2953 [16:58] <xales> hi nevercast
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#2955 [16:59] <nevercast> How're you xales?
#2956 [16:59] <nevercast> Oh lol.
#2957 [16:59] <xales> ok
#2958 [16:59] <xales> lol
#2959 [16:59] <nevercast> Yeah Christchurch is a massive place
#2960 [16:59] <nevercast> it's currently a rubble wreak though lol.
#2961 [17:00] <nevercast> relsqui_, :)
#2962 [17:00] <nevercast> relsqui_, smp.nevercast.net
#2963 [17:00] <relsqui_> .. oh, right
#2964 [17:00] <relsqui> forgot to /part #minecraft
#2965 [17:00] <relsqui> nevercast: hm?
#2966 [17:01] <nevercast> relsqui, smp.. come play
#2967 [17:01] <relsqui> er. has another server? :)
#2968 [17:01] <relsqui> also has homework to finish
#2969 [17:02] <nevercast> you and your homework D:<
#2970 [17:03] <relsqui> aw, this one is awesome homework though :)
#2971 [17:03] <TobeMan> Does this server setting work? --> spawn-protection-size=100
#2972 [17:04] <TobeMan> or even better... is there a list of every possible server settings?
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#2975 [17:13] <FireRat> Hello, every time I host my server and then try to join it I loose internet connection. Anything I can do??
#2976 [17:14] <xales> FireRat: The problem is either with your NIC or router. One of them can't keep up with the load of Minecraft
#2977 [17:14] <FireRat> I moved. I am using my same router and everything and I never had problems before
#2978 [17:15] <xales> It's probably your connection then
#2979 [17:16] <FireRat> I am on wireless and my connection says is "Good"
#2980 [17:16] <xales> That is..probably the issue
#2981 [17:16] <xales> Wireless is very, very bad for running servers of any kind
#2982 [17:17] <xales> try it with the computer plugged in
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#2985 [17:22] <jonalvrd7> hey guys how good is the new macbook pro suppose to handle minecraft?
#2986 [17:23] <xales> it should be able to run it decently
#2987 [17:23] <jonalvrd7> i get 20 fps :(
#2988 [17:23] <xales> that's about what you can expect
#2989 [17:23] <jonalvrd7> oh ok
#2990 [17:23] <xales> turn off "smooth lighting" and that should go up
#2991 [17:23] <jonalvrd7> :)
#2992 [17:24] <jonalvrd7> kk
#2993 [17:24] <jonalvrd7> thnx
#2994 [17:24] <jonalvrd7> the fps should go up as the game gets updated more right?
#2995 [17:25] <xales> possibly
#2996 [17:25] <jonalvrd7> ok thnx
#2997 [17:26] <jonalvrd7> but if other more graphically challenging game can run smoothly on my mbp at 30-50 fps why does minecraft run on 20 fps?
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#3002 [17:45] <PiratRaff> what does a recv failed fault mean?
#3003 [17:45] <|System|> !check 5.148.60.183:25565
#3004 [17:45] <xales> where do you see it?
#3005 [17:45] <|System|> grrr
#3006 [17:46] <xales> |System|: that's a Hamachi address
#3007 [17:46] <xales> that's why it's not working
#3008 [17:46] <xales> don't use Hamachi
#3009 [17:46] <PiratRaff> when i join a friends server it goes 20seconds, then im threwn out with that fault
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#3011 [17:46] <xales> ?? fubar/hamachi
#3012 [17:46] <VoxelHead> fubar/hamachi: The addresses Hamachi uses have recently been allocated for real use - this means that Hamachi will no longer work, starting soon.
#3013 [17:46] <VoxelHead> fubar/hamachi: It is highly recommended that you try a different solution
#3014 [17:46] <xales> PirateRaff: are other people able to join his server?
#3015 [17:46] <PirateRaff> he dont see any problems when he joined
#3016 [17:48] <PirateRaff> javasocket expeption
#3017 [17:48] <xales> PirateRaff: ask him if the network card in his computer is Atheros brand
#3018 [17:50] <PirateRaff> he has realtek
#3019 [17:51] <xales> there are some issues with Realtek cards, so that might be it
#3020 [17:51] <xales> does he have a Zonealarm firewall? that's the other possible thing
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#3022 [17:52] <PirateRaff> no firewalls
#3023 [17:52] <PirateRaff> and he cant remember anybodt else had the problem
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#3025 [17:53] <Noobicious> Do anyone herw know a way to reduce a Multiplayer Save, my computer tends to Crash every Save me and my buddies have after it takes 16 Mb due to not enough RAM .:(
#3026 [17:53] <Noobicious> ((I have launched with more RAM)
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#3029 [17:54] <gamer> Hello
#3030 [17:54] <gamer> Anyone there?
#3031 [17:54] <Noobicious> Me'sa
#3032 [17:55] <gamer> Do you may know how to fix the Connection reset problem?
#3033 [17:55] <Noobicious> Don't even know what it is , sry.
#3034 [17:55] <gamer> after the newest vers. update cant play online anymore
#3035 [17:55] <gamer> Always get Connection Lost error
#3036 [17:55] <xales> gamer: what happens when you try?
#3037 [17:56] <xales> when do you get that?
#3038 [17:56] <gamer> When I try to join my Server
#3039 [17:56] <xales> are you able to join other servers?
#3040 [17:56] <gamer> Before the latest update all works fine
#3041 [17:56] <gamer> no Im not
#3042 [17:57] <Noobicious> Quick Googling; http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1013&t=22767
#3043 [17:57] <gamer> I googled for like 3 weeks now
#3044 [17:58] <Noobicious> :(
#3045 [17:58] <gamer> Yes I found that also but this is not my problem
#3046 [17:58] <Noobicious> kk
#3047 [17:58] <gamer> Because I was able to join Servers before
#3048 [17:59] <xales> gamer: you can't join any servers?
#3049 [17:59] <gamer> No I can't
#3050 [17:59] <gamer> No firewall blocks it or any
#3051 [17:59] <xales> you have no firewall running?
#3052 [18:00] <gamer> Nope
#3053 [18:00] <Noobicious> (Antivirus Firewall checked?)
#3054 [18:00] <gamer> Also
#3055 [18:00] <gamer> Everything
#3056 [18:00] <gamer> that might could block connections
#3057 [18:00] <xales> Kealper
#3058 [18:00] <Kealper> rawr
#3059 [18:00] <xales> ever seen that problem before? =/
#3060 [18:00] * Kealper reads
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#3061 [18:01] <klimbim> hi guys
#3062 [18:01] <xales> hi
#3063 [18:01] <gamer> Hello
#3064 [18:01] <Noobicious> Hi
#3065 [18:01] <klimbim> can someone tell me why the display stays black when the .jar file is loaded in the browser?
#3066 [18:01] <klimbim> im using a mac book pro....
#3067 [18:01] <xales> what version of OS X?
#3068 [18:01] <Kealper> that's a weird problem....can't say i've seen it before :/
#3069 [18:01] <Diablothein> Kealpybby! less than three
#3070 [18:01] <klimbim> newest version leopard
#3071 [18:02] <xales> are you trying to play Classic or Beta?
#3072 [18:02] <klimbim> it the same problem using firefox or safari...
#3073 [18:02] <klimbim> classic
#3074 [18:02] <klimbim> and beta its the same
#3075 [18:02] <Kimax> i have problems runnig the Minecraft Server on my Windows XP
#3076 [18:02] <xales> do you have any kind of "antivirus" running on it?
#3077 [18:02] <xales> Kimax: ?
#3078 [18:03] <Kealper> gamer: you've reinstalled minecraft?
#3079 [18:03] <Noobicious> Update Java perhaps? (Klimbim)
#3080 [18:03] <Kimax> windows security essentials
#3081 [18:03] <klimbim> its all updated to the newest versions :(
#3082 [18:03] <xales> Kimax: was asking klimbim
#3083 [18:03] <xales> Kimax: what is the problem you have?
#3084 [18:03] <gamer> Sometimes Im able to walk on server but everything on server freezes on my client side but other players Im talking with only see me standing doing nothing and after a few sec. I get connection lost
#3085 [18:03] <xales> klimbim: you don't have any kind of "antivirus" or anything?
#3086 [18:03] <Kimax> i cant run the Minecraft server on my XP machine
#3087 [18:03] <xales> ??> gamer win/reinst
#3088 [18:04] <VoxelHead> gamer: (win/reinst) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#3089 [18:04] <VoxelHead> gamer: (win/reinst) To do so, press Win+R, type in %AppData%, and press Enter. In the window that appears, open the .minecraft directory, and delete the bin directory that you see therein. Then, try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
#3090 [18:04] <klimbim> yes i do have, but its not blocking anything... its just a fw xales
#3091 [18:04] <gamer> Yes I do have reinstalled Minecraft and Java aswell
#3092 [18:04] <xales> Kimax: why not?
#3093 [18:04] <Noobicious> Nah , neither can I , have my other Win 7 Comp doing it for me
#3094 [18:04] <xales> klimbim: what "antivirus" is it?
#3095 [18:04] <Kealper> gamer: definately sounds like something (hardware or software) can't keep up with the ammount of packets minecraft sends/recieves
#3096 [18:04] <klimbim> little snitch xales
#3097 [18:04] <klimbim> no antivirus sry
#3098 [18:04] <Kealper> gamer: no idea if this will make a difference, but try running minecraft, then set it to high priority in task manager before joining a server
#3099 [18:04] <Kimax> its starts up perfect but when i try to connect it stops at downloading terrain
#3100 [18:04] <xales> klimbim: I've actually seen another person with a problem running Minecraft using that software
#3101 [18:04] <klimbim> and what was the solution? :)
#3102 [18:05] <Kimax> and after that the machine looses connection to all internet
#3103 [18:05] <nevercast> AG_Clinton, you available?
#3104 [18:05] <xales> klimbim: You really don't need to bother with antivirus software on a Mac =/
#3105 [18:05] <xales> klimbim: uninstalling it
#3106 [18:05] <AG_Clinton> Yes.
#3107 [18:05] <gamer> Also tryed but nothing that solved it or made it better
#3108 [18:05] <klimbim> no i dont have one only a fw, sry xales
#3109 [18:05] <Kealper> gamer: and it just started with the 1.3 update?
#3110 [18:05] <xales> klimbim: the "Little Snitch" program was the problem
#3111 [18:05] <nevercast> AG_Clinton, What's the extra to take my server to 1gb?
#3112 [18:05] <xales> Kimax: is the NIC in the computer an atheros?
#3113 [18:06] <nevercast> AG_Clinton, Difference between what I'm paying now and what I will for the extra 512mb
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#3115 [18:06] <klimbim> did it block something xales ?
#3116 [18:06] <Kimax> xales i dont understand?
#3117 [18:06] <gamer> Of course I only have this connection problem no other
#3118 [18:06] <xales> klimbim: it was breaking Java for some reason. it started working when they uninstalled it
#3119 [18:06] <AG_Clinton> nevercast: We do a pro-rated invoice.
#3120 [18:06] <AG_Clinton> Then raise your monthly price.
#3121 [18:06] <xales> Kealper, how to check NIC model on Windows?
#3122 [18:06] <xales> explain to Kimax please
#3123 [18:06] <Kealper> gamer: so you have no security software at all on your computer?
#3124 [18:07] <Kealper> Kimax: what version of windows?
#3125 [18:07] <xales> Kealper: PXP
#3126 [18:07] <Kimax> XP
#3127 [18:07] <xales> XP*
#3128 [18:07] <gamer> I do have but nothing that would block it
#3129 [18:07] <xales> gamer: any security software would block it
#3130 [18:07] <xales> what specifically do you have?
#3131 [18:07] <Kealper> Kimax: hold the windows key and press the pause key on your keyboard
#3132 [18:07] <klimbim> ahh now its working, thanks a lot ;)
#3133 [18:08] <Kealper> Kimax: that should open up a system info window, look for a button called Device Manager on that
#3134 [18:08] <Kealper> Kimax: found it?
#3135 [18:09] <gamer> my Win firewall is off and my Anti virus software don't handel a firewall or something like that
#3136 [18:09] <Kealper> gamer: disable your antivirus software anyways, just for testing
#3137 [18:09] <Kimax> Kealper yea fund it
#3138 [18:09] <gamer> Okay I try
#3139 [18:09] <Kealper> Kimax: so is Device Manager open right now?
#3140 [18:09] <Kimax> yea
#3141 [18:10] <gamer> Try now
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#3143 [18:10] <Kealper> Kimax: ok, see the dropdown called Network adapters?
#3144 [18:10] <Kimax> yea
#3145 [18:10] <klimbim> now its working but i dont know why :)
#3146 [18:10] <Kimax> its a realtek
#3147 [18:10] <Kealper> Kimax: realtek what?
#3148 [18:11] <nevercast> AG_Clinton, 'pro-rated invoice' ?
#3149 [18:11] <Kimax> RTL8169/8110 Family GigaBit Ethernet NIC
#3150 [18:11] <Kealper> ok xales, there ya go :P
#3151 [18:12] <gamer> Nothing happend
#3152 [18:12] <gamer> still the same
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#3154 [18:12] <Chance> Can someone help me?
#3155 [18:12] <Chance> I have a problem with the game
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#3157 [18:12] <xales> Chance: what problem?
#3158 [18:12] <Chance> when I play for a while or a short while
#3159 [18:12] <AG_Clinton> You pay for the amount of time you use the upgrade in your current term.
#3160 [18:12] <Chance> the game turns into a black screen
#3161 [18:12] <Kimax> Kealper what could be the problem
#3162 [18:12] <Chance> then the game says
#3163 [18:12] <Chance> Minecraft (Not Responding)
#3164 [18:13] <Chance> I have to restart the game
#3165 [18:13] <Chance> just to fix it
#3166 [18:13] <Kealper> Kimax: uhm...gimme a sec to see why xales wanted your NIC model number....lol
#3167 [18:13] <xales> nevercast: pro-rated means that, since you used part of the month without the upgrade, and part of it with, they will charge you the original rate for the time you used the original specs, and the increased rate for the time you used the increased specs, rather than just the increased rate the whole month
#3168 [18:13] <Chance> or dont restart it
#3169 [18:13] <xales> Kealper: are there known problems with those?
#3170 [18:13] <xales> Chance: when do you get that?
#3171 [18:13] <Chance> um
#3172 [18:13] <Chance> I don't know how long
#3173 [18:13] <Chance> whenever it does it
#3174 [18:13] <Chance> but I play fine then it does it
#3175 [18:14] <FireRat> Is there anyway to run a server with Wireless?
#3176 [18:14] <Kealper> Kimax: what problem were you having?
#3177 [18:14] <xales> FireRat: Not properly. It's usually not an issue but it often can be
#3178 [18:14] <Chance> I lost my chest twice because of it
#3179 [18:14] <xales> you shouldn't do it regardless
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#3181 [18:14] <Kealper> also brb real fast, i think my server has an rtl8169
#3182 [18:14] <xales> running a server on wireless is a very Bad Idea(tm)
#3183 [18:14] <FireRat> There nothing to fix it or make it better? aside from plug my computer into internet?
#3184 [18:14] <xales> Chance: try turning down the view distance in options
#3185 [18:14] <xales> FireRat: no
#3186 [18:15] <Chance> to?
#3187 [18:15] <Chance> view render distance?
#3188 [18:15] <FireRat> Thanks >< not the answer I wanted but now I have a project atleast
#3189 [18:15] <Kimax> Kealper i can start up the mc server... but when i try to connect the first time from a other pc, it stops at "Downloading Terrain" and when i try again it cant find it
#3190 [18:15] <FireRat> find 100ft of internet cable -.-
#3191 [18:15] <klimbim> reboot
#3192 [18:15] <xales> Chance: yes
#3193 [18:15] <Chance> I changed render distance to short
#3194 [18:15] <Chance> because a black screen fix said to do it
#3195 [18:16] <xales> did that fix it?
#3196 [18:16] <Chance> but I think the black screen fix its for a differant problem
#3197 [18:16] <Kimax> Kealper and the machine running the server looses all connection... im using teamviewer to manage the computer
#3198 [18:16] <Chance> no
#3199 [18:16] <Kealper> Kimax: still got that Device Manager window open?
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#3201 [18:16] <Chance> didn't fix it
#3202 [18:16] <Chance> but the black screen took longer to happen
#3203 [18:16] <Kimax> Kealper yea
#3204 [18:16] <Kealper> Kimax: the device manager window is the one for you server, right?
#3205 [18:16] <Kimax> yea
#3206 [18:17] <Kimax> Kealper should i try a roll-back?
#3207 [18:17] <Kealper> Kimax: ok, double click that realtek NIC in that window, that will open it's properties
#3208 [18:17] <Chance> what else do i do?
#3209 [18:17] <Kimax> Kealper done
#3210 [18:17] <Kealper> Kimax: go to the Advanced tab, look for something called Recieve Buffers and another called Transmit Buffers
#3211 [18:17] <Kealper> Kimax: what are the values of each?
#3212 [18:18] <Kimax> Kealper cant see any buffer
#3213 [18:19] <Kealper> Kimax: hmm...guess that one can't be changed...has it ever worked for you before?
#3214 [18:19] <Kimax> Kealper not on that machine
#3215 [18:19] <Kimax> on my own machine yes
#3216 [18:20] <Kealper> sounds like that computer's NIC is just not good enough for how much data a minecraft server needs to send :/
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#3218 [18:20] <Chance> um?
#3219 [18:20] <Kealper> Chance: is your computer really old?
#3220 [18:20] <Kimax> Kealper wierd... i have been running all kind of funny stuff on it before
#3221 [18:20] <Chance> no
#3222 [18:21] <Chance> the game isnt laggy
#3223 [18:21] <Chance> and stuff
#3224 [18:21] <Kimax> Kealper first time i ever have problems with a server tool
#3225 [18:21] <Chance> Its not a really old computer
#3226 [18:21] <Chance> its a 64 bit vista
#3227 [18:21] <Kimax> Vista... theres your problem :D
#3228 [18:21] <Kealper> Kimax: yeah, a minecraft server is hard on all parts of the machine it's running on, sadly :/
#3229 [18:21] <Chance> Uh
#3230 [18:21] <Chance> Hows that the problem?
#3231 [18:21] <Kimax> vista is one big problem
#3232 [18:22] <Chance> then how do I fix it?
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#3234 [18:22] <Kealper> Chance: how much ram does your computer have?
#3235 [18:22] <Kimax> install win 7
#3236 [18:22] <Chance> space?
#3237 [18:22] <Kealper> and vista is not that bad..it's just not good :/
#3238 [18:22] <Kealper> Chance: memory?
#3239 [18:22] <Chance> Vista isnt really bad..
#3240 [18:22] <Chance> err
#3241 [18:22] <Chance> Where do I go to see my ram?
#3242 [18:22] <Chance> you talking about my gb?
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#3244 [18:23] <Noobicious> Win+R -> Dxdiag to see RAm
#3245 [18:23] <Noobicious> RAM*
#3246 [18:24] <Chance> search for dxdiag in the start menu?
#3247 [18:24] <Kealper> uhh....let's try this a different way....
#3248 [18:24] <Chance> What do you mean win+r?
#3249 [18:24] <Kealper> Chance: do you have any mods installed?
#3250 [18:25] <Chance> nope
#3251 [18:25] <Noobicious> Windows Key (The one with Windows Mark) + R same time press.
#3252 [18:25] <Chance> not a texture pack either
#3253 [18:25] <Kealper> Chance: have you tried reinstalling java from http://java.com ?
#3254 [18:25] <Chance> okay
#3255 [18:25] <Chance> Im at directx diagnostic
#3256 [18:25] <Chance> I havent tried reinstalling java
#3257 [18:25] <Chance> but thats a good idea
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#3259 [18:26] <Chance> um
#3260 [18:26] <Chance> how do I uninstall java
#3261 [18:27] <Kealper> start menu > Control Panel > Add or Remove Programs
#3262 [18:27] <Chance> oh yeah
#3263 [18:27] <Chance> thank you
#3264 [18:27] <Kealper> i think that's what it is called in Vista...not sure
#3265 [18:27] <Chance> no its programs and features
#3266 [18:27] <Chance> lol
#3267 [18:28] <Noobicious> (Eurk, Vista)
#3268 [18:28] <Kealper> oh, meh....thought they changed it to that in 7
#3269 [18:28] <Chance> probably did
#3270 [18:28] <Chance> got to closer browsers to uninstall it
#3271 [18:28] <Chance> might brb
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#3275 [18:34] <Kimax> Kealper is there any stats on how much the mc server demands?
#3276 [18:34] <dark> hey when i log into a minecraft beta server im floating in the sky i cant see what others are saying would it run right if i downloaded the game?
#3277 [18:36] <nevercast> Fuckin minecraft down again
#3278 [18:36] <nevercast> WTF
#3279 [18:36] <dark> could someone awser me
#3280 [18:36] <Kealper> Kimax: no set ones, but old hardware tends to hate minecraft servers :/
#3281 [18:36] <Kimax> damnit
#3282 [18:36] <nevercast> dark, Means the chunks haven't loaded yet
#3283 [18:37] <nevercast> dark, if it takes ages.. maybe get better net
#3284 [18:37] <Kimax> the specs for my machine is not good, but okay
#3285 [18:37] <dark> but i try logging in iam in for like 3 minutes then i forces me out saying someting about java
#3286 [18:38] <dark> it
#3287 [18:38] <Kealper> Kimax: i agree it would be much easier if there was a set of minimium requirements for people to look at :/
#3288 [18:38] <Kimax> indeed
#3289 [18:38] <GLaDOS> dark: get better internet
#3290 [18:38] <GLaDOS> not out problem
#3291 [18:38] <GLaDOS> our*
#3292 [18:38] <Kealper> actually
#3293 [18:38] <Kealper> it might be minecraft's problem
#3294 [18:38] <dark> like what im useing mozilia fire fox and i tryied plain internet
#3295 [18:38] <ConMan8> dark: It always says something about Java, do you know the speicifics?
#3296 [18:38] <Kealper> 1.3 has introduced some weird internet bugs
#3297 [18:38] <dark> 1 sec ill log in
#3298 [18:39] <Kealper> some people can't play specific servers at all because it just randomly has like 5 minutes of lag
#3299 [18:39] <Kealper> and everything hardware-wise checks out, and it would work fine before 1.3
#3300 [18:40] <dark> it seems to worknow
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#3302 [18:41] <Kimax> Kealper it would be nice if minecraft stopped running in java, and starts running from pure .exe
#3303 [18:42] <Kimax> specialy for servers
#3304 [18:42] <Kealper> Kimax: java has it's upsides, if it was not in java, i doubt it would have been ported to mac/linux :/
#3305 [18:42] <Kealper> but yes, java is not ideal for the server software :/
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#3307 [18:45] <oldtopman> Can some people here help load test my server?
#3308 [18:45] <Kealper> depends...
#3309 [18:46] <Kealper> how many people are you looking for with the stress test, and are you hosting it from your home or a data center?
#3310 [18:46] <oldtopman> From home, which I am away from atm, but since I won't be here all the time, it will be okay.
#3311 [18:47] <oldtopman> People? As many as you can muster.
#3312 [18:47] <Kealper> uhh...no idea if anyone else in here would be willing to hop on for a few, but i guess i could...
#3313 [18:47] <Kealper> you can say the address in here if you want, just don't spam it or hope to gain perminant players from it :/
#3314 [18:48] <oldtopman> that's fine.
#3315 [18:48] <oldtopman> 63:225:20:129
#3316 [18:48] <oldtopman> Replace colons with dots.
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#3318 [18:49] <oldtopman> Go towards the tree, hand a left and follow the torches.
#3319 [18:49] <Kealper> gah...can't just copy and paste into mc
#3320 [18:49] <oldtopman> I hate that.
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#3322 [18:56] <trollnjn> what happens to my inventory when i die?
#3323 [18:57] <Kealper> it drops on the ground
#3324 [18:57] <trollnjn> how long does it stay there?
#3325 [18:58] <Kealper> 5 minutes
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#3327 [18:58] <trollnjn> -.-
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#3329 [19:00] <Kimax> can i ask a question offtopic?
#3330 [19:00] <Kealper> i guess
#3331 [19:01] <Kimax> dos anyone know a ftp-server program for my XP machine?
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#3333 [19:01] <xales> Kimax: filezilla
#3334 [19:02] <SkiingPenguins> yea that is some pretty good stuff
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#3339 [19:12] <aetherian> heya
#3340 [19:12] * Kealper yawns
#3340 [19:12] * xales Kealpers
#3340 [19:12] <aetherian> wha
#3341 [19:13] <aetherian> Kealper: go to bed
#3342 [19:13] <Kealper> it's only 7pm >.>
#3343 [19:13] <Kealper> although i might go into my room and throw on some documentaries
#3344 [19:13] <aetherian> if you're tired, you're tired
#3345 [19:13] <xales> well
#3346 [19:13] <oldtopman> Did anIt's 5 here/
#3347 [19:13] <xales> im going to go get some food
#3348 [19:13] <oldtopman> ^^type fail.
#3349 [19:13] * xales goes
#3349 [19:13] * Kealper waves
#3349 [19:13] * SkiingPenguins flaps
#3349 [19:14] <Kealper> brb, switching computers
#3350 [19:14] <aetherian> I just saw a difference engine in use :)
#3351 [19:14] <aetherian> it was... interesting
#3352 [19:14] <Kealper> SkiingPenguins: i totally read that as faps at first >.>
#3353 [19:14] <aetherian> o.o
#3354 [19:15] <SkiingPenguins> i'm 12 years old what is this
#3355 [19:15] <brienza> This is the internet.
#3356 [19:16] <brienza> I will be your tour guide.
#3357 [19:16] <aetherian> this is how babby is formed
#3358 [19:16] <brienza> You have to do way instain the mother, right?
#3359 [19:16] <SkiingPenguins> no sorry im not 12 and ive already been poisoned by internet
#3360 [19:17] <Kealper> have no fear, i'm from the internet!
#3361 [19:17] <SkiingPenguins> btw how to make windows show both partitions that are on a usb flash drive?
#3362 [19:17] <Kealper> can't say i've had a flash drive big enough to partition, so idk
#3363 [19:17] <brienza> My Computer
#3364 [19:17] <brienza> They should both be there
#3365 [19:17] <Kealper> but it should just like...show up as two separate removable drives in My Computer
#3366 [19:18] <brienza> Typically E and F drives if I'm not mistaken
#3367 [19:18] <SkiingPenguins> it *should* but it doesnt
#3368 [19:18] <brienza> Unplug it and replug it?
#3369 [19:18] <Kealper> SkiingPenguins: did you partition it correctly?
#3370 [19:18] <SkiingPenguins> i used gparted!
#3371 [19:18] <Kealper> meh
#3372 [19:18] <brienza> Why would you partition a flash drive anyway?
#3373 [19:18] <SkiingPenguins> to have 2 partitions instead of one
#3374 [19:19] <brienza> Um..
#3375 [19:19] <brienza> Okay.
#3376 [19:19] <SkiingPenguins> http://grab.by/9c5Q <-
#3377 [19:19] <aetherian> why would anyone want that big of a flash drive?
#3378 [19:19] <aetherian> I mean, just get a small external drive at that rate
#3379 [19:19] <SkiingPenguins> tinygrab betrays me
#3380 [19:20] <SkiingPenguins> why it grab my irc client o.O
#3381 [19:20] <brienza> Well at what point does a USB flash drive start being called an external HD?
#3382 [19:20] <aetherian> it doesn't.
#3383 [19:20] <Kealper> external SSD :P
#3384 [19:21] <aetherian> not worth it if it's via usb 2.0 >.>
#3385 [19:21] <aetherian> (or 1.1, etc)
#3386 [19:21] <aetherian> not sure about the speeds of usb 3.0...
#3387 [19:21] <brienza> Oh true, Flash drives are SS.
#3388 [19:22] <SkiingPenguins> i did this: http://grab.by/9c5Z so i can have a windows accessable partition, a swap space, and a ubuntu partition
#3389 [19:22] <aetherian> still, at a certain point, it becomes more economical to get an external drive (I believe)
#3390 [19:22] <brienza> 16 GB Flash drive? Lucky you.
#3391 [19:23] <aetherian> wha?
#3392 [19:23] <SkiingPenguins> what? i just got it today >.>
#3393 [19:23] <oldtopman> brienza: Thay're comparatively cheap now.
#3394 [19:23] <SkiingPenguins> it was 29.99 i think
#3395 [19:23] <brienza> It's probably too expensive for my tastes
#3396 [19:23] <brienza> Really? I have a 4 GB for $20 that's only a few months old.
#3397 [19:24] <aetherian> like that 256 GB flash drive... so not worth it.
#3398 [19:24] <aetherian> like $700, iirc
#3399 [19:24] <SkiingPenguins> the 32gb one was $99 at bestbuy
#3400 [19:24] <brienza> That's too expensive for me :P
#3401 [19:24] <brienza> @Ski*
#3402 [19:24] <Kealper> i has a 16gb mp3 player that works good as a flash drive :3
#3403 [19:24] <aetherian> o.o
#3404 [19:24] <SkiingPenguins> i was like this: (0)_(0)
#3405 [19:24] <aetherian> whoa...
#3406 [19:25] <aetherian> I saw a 32 GB usb drive for like 120 the other day, though
#3407 [19:26] <aetherian> I wish that laptops actually, you know, came with USB 3.0 functionality.
#3408 [19:27] <brienza> Yeah
#3409 [19:27] <aetherian> at least mine has e
#3410 [19:27] <aetherian> ack, at least mine has lotsa other things
#3411 [19:27] <brienza> It's going to be weird in 10-15 years when flash drives will have store terabytes of data.
#3412 [19:28] <aetherian> and you know that how?
#3413 [19:28] <brienza> Moore's Law?
#3414 [19:29] <aetherian> besides
#3415 [19:29] <aetherian> by then, we'll probably have something better than dinky little flash drives
#3416 [19:29] <brienza> Probably.
#3417 [19:29] <brienza> I'm sure they'll still be around though.
#3418 [19:29] <brienza> Like Compact Discs still are
#3419 [19:29] <aetherian> I wonder when DVD's (and CD's) will become the new floppy
#3420 [19:30] <brienza> I still have like 30 floppies in my basement
#3421 [19:30] <brienza> Should really get them recycled.
#3422 [19:30] <aetherian> heh
#3423 [19:30] <aetherian> ah, I was just at the Computer History Museum.
#3424 [19:31] <aetherian> (earlier today)
#3425 [19:31] <aetherian> :)
#3426 [19:31] <brienza> See anything interesting?
#3427 [19:32] <aetherian> I saw a difference engine, like, actually someone cranking it and everything.
#3428 [19:32] <brienza> Heh
#3429 [19:32] <aetherian> Heh >:O
#3430 [19:33] <aetherian> :(
#3431 [19:33] <SkiingPenguins> figured it out http://www.getusb.info/flip-your-bit-usb-utility-to-make-local-drive/
#3432 [19:34] <TheNytangel> lol
#3433 [19:34] <brienza> brb
#3434 [19:34] <aetherian> are SSD's actually all as good as they are cut out to be?
#3435 [19:35] <oldtopman> Is there a guide on how to get people to join your server?
#3436 [19:35] <Kealper> quite
#3437 [19:35] <SkiingPenguins> "set APPDATA=" <-- quite useful in .bat's for making portable things.
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#3439 [19:36] <oldtopman> It's lonely -_-
#3440 [19:36] <Kealper> aetherian: SSDs on average are about 3-4 times faster at reading and writing data, but that is not what it makes them feel so amazingly fast
#3441 [19:36] <Tork232> %rsw
#3442 [19:36] <Tork232> #rsw
#3443 [19:36] <aetherian> #smp ?
#3444 [19:36] <aetherian> Kealper: I'll bite.
#3445 [19:36] <aetherian> what makes them feel fast?
#3446 [19:36] <Kealper> what does it is the access times of SSDs
#3447 [19:36] <oldtopman> rsw?
#3448 [19:37] <Toast> What's with people who join and state a channel name?
#3449 [19:37] <oldtopman> Toast: on your mc server?
#3450 [19:37] <Toast> On this channel
#3451 [19:37] <aetherian> I hear they're good for a computer, even if just to put the OS on.
#3452 [19:37] <Kealper> average HDD access time (time it takes for the platters to spin up and start reading data) is about 20ms
#3453 [19:37] <Kealper> average time for SSDs is like 0.1ms
#3454 [19:38] <Toast> 20ms is still fast
#3455 [19:38] <Kealper> and Toast it's because they suck at IRC, join the channel from a link...and then they write the channel name and click it
#3456 [19:38] <Kealper> 20ms is ages in computer time
#3457 [19:38] <SkiingPenguins> 1/5 of a second...
#3458 [19:38] <AG_Clinton> Haha.
#3459 [19:39] <Kealper> failmath
#3460 [19:39] <SkiingPenguins> did i do something wrong?
#3461 [19:39] <SkiingPenguins> D:
#3462 [19:39] <Kealper> 100ms is 1/10th of a second, not a whole second :P
#3463 [19:40] <Toast> ?
#3464 [19:40] <Toast> milliseconds?
#3465 [19:40] <SkiingPenguins> fml.
#3466 [19:40] <Kealper> yes
#3467 [19:40] <aetherian> fail, SkiingPenguins
#3468 [19:40] <Toast> eh..
#3469 [19:40] <aetherian> fyl
#3470 [19:40] <Toast> What?
#3471 [19:40] <SkiingPenguins> and i do Sleep commands in ms too :/
#3472 [19:40] <Kealper> indeed
#3473 [19:40] <Kealper> and fail
#3474 [19:41] <Toast> 100 milliseconds = 1 second
#3475 [19:41] <Kealper> 1000 milliseconds = 1 second
#3476 [19:41] <Toast> no
#3477 [19:41] <Toast> You can't change measurements
#3478 [19:41] <Kealper> yes
#3479 [19:41] <Toast> watches say 100 milliseconds
#3480 [19:41] <Kealper> 1000ms is one second
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#3482 [19:42] <oldtopman> milli- latin for 1000.
#3483 [19:42] <oldtopman> Kealper is corret.
#3484 [19:42] <SkiingPenguins> i miss my stuffed hedgehog
#3485 [19:42] <oldtopman> Toast: Tork232 is just a troll.
#3486 [19:43] <Kealper> no, he is not a troll, he just sucks at IRC
#3487 [19:43] <Kealper> a lot of people do that
#3488 [19:43] <SkiingPenguins> yea
#3489 [19:43] <SkiingPenguins> it's kinda annoying
#3490 [19:43] <Kealper> because they don't know they can just type /join #channel, instead of typing out #channel and clicking it to join
#3491 [19:44] <SkiingPenguins> what if they typed out irc://irc.esper.net/channel
#3492 [19:44] <Kealper> uhh...no idea what mibbit would do with that lol
#3493 [19:45] <SkiingPenguins> oh i assumed people have an irc client installed to catch that
#3494 [19:45] <aetherian> omigod awesome
#3495 [19:45] <aetherian> minecraft fridge magnets
#3496 [19:45] <SkiingPenguins> :O
#3497 [19:45] <SkiingPenguins> WHERE?
#3498 [19:46] <brienza> I need some design advice. My 2nd floor has an outer wall of 5m from the floor. Should my bedroom be enclosed by a 5m wall as well, or something a little less towering?
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#3500 [19:46] <oldtopman> Kealper: I talked to him. He's just a troll
#3501 [19:46] <SkiingPenguins> or a child
#3502 [19:46] <Kealper> oh...fail
#3503 [19:46] <aetherian> thinkgeek.com
#3504 [19:46] <aetherian> duh
#3505 [19:49] <aetherian> I really want those...
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#3507 [19:55] <SkiingPenguins> wow. my whole computer froze for a while there
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#3509 [19:55] <aetherian> fail...
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#3511 [19:56] <oldtopman> What happenned? (skiingpenguins, me)
#3512 [19:56] <SkiingPenguins> i opened itunes
#3513 [19:56] <oldtopman> It quit me too.
#3514 [19:56] <aetherian> oh fail
#3515 [19:56] <aetherian> itunes is so bloated...
#3516 [19:57] <SkiingPenguins> yep
#3517 [19:57] <aetherian> I mean, windows media player, if you're running windows, is less bloated.
#3518 [19:57] <aetherian> that's saying something.
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#3523 [19:59] <SkiingPenguins> oh and, it doesnt let me shut it down with the tray button
#3524 [19:59] <SkiingPenguins> it opens itself back up if i hit close
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#3526 [19:59] <grassminer> hello, I have a question of recommended average specs for a server serving 15 people. bandwidth/ram/cpu/ect.
#3527 [20:00] <aetherian> terminate the process, then
#3528 [20:00] <aetherian> brb
#3529 [20:00] <SkiingPenguins> grassminer sorry i have no idea, maybe aetherian does know when he gets back
#3530 [20:01] <EmpiresBane> nevercast, do you know if we have an faq about server requirements?
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#3532 [20:01] <grassminer> okay, I will check back
#3533 [20:02] <GreyVulpine> EmpiresBane - We don't yet
#3534 [20:02] <EmpiresBane> hm...
#3535 [20:03] <nevercast> EmpiresBane, not sure
#3536 [20:03] <nevercast> Lol.. ^ Grey
#3537 [20:04] <EmpiresBane> it'd be cool if someone were to setup a table showing all sorts of minimum and optimal specs servers
#3538 [20:04] <GreyVulpine> It changes all the time
#3539 [20:04] <EmpiresBane> showing a comparison of the number of players
#3540 [20:04] <EmpiresBane> stupid updates...
#3541 [20:05] <nevercast> GreyVulpine, !updatespecs min process "Pentium 4, 2Ghz"
#3542 [20:05] <nevercast> Now that would be nice
#3543 [20:05] <nevercast> s/process/processor/
#3544 [20:08] <grassminer> !updatespecs min process "Pentium 4, 2Ghz" but how many people, and what operating system?
#3545 [20:08] <EmpiresBane> does XP have any theme things that can slow it down?
#3546 [20:09] <GreyVulpine> Not really
#3547 [20:09] <nevercast> grassminer, That's not the point lol.
#3548 [20:10] <nevercast> I reckon without something like a P4 at 2ghz.. the map will take 20 minutes to generate
#3549 [20:11] <UNS> anyone able to help with server issues?
#3550 [20:11] <EmpiresBane> i've got a slower p4
#3551 [20:11] <EmpiresBane> it takes about 45 seconds
#3552 [20:13] <UNS> having lag issues when 3+ people connect any ideas?
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#3554 [20:15] <Uno> When you say 'core-game', does that mean I can't ask about the free version?
#3555 [20:15] <grassminer> I just want to know if I can host at home or need a dedicated/vps?
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#3557 [20:17] <GreyVulpine> Uno - You can.
#3558 [20:17] <GreyVulpine> grassminer - Depends on what your home machine is like, many can host a server at home.
#3559 [20:18] <Uno> Oh cool. Well it's probably something going right over my head here, but for some reason when I try to enter it and play the screen will say it's loading and stuff, then it will cut to a black screen
#3560 [20:18] <GreyVulpine> Pretty common problem, but hard to diagnose Uno. Start with Updating java and video drivers?
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#3562 [20:20] <Uno> Yeah that's the thing, I just downloaded the newest versions of Java for Linux, and go back to Minecraft and it remains a black screen. You said something about a video driver, and I'll be completely honest I have no idea what that is or how I update it
#3563 [20:20] <xales> Uno: pastebin the output of the 'lsmod' command
#3564 [20:21] <UNS> having lag issues when 3+ people connect any ideas?
#3565 [20:21] <xales> Uno: can you be more descriptive?
#3566 [20:21] <xales> err
#3567 [20:21] <Uno> What exactly did you need to know?
#3568 [20:21] <xales> UNS rather
#3569 [20:21] <Uno> :s
#3570 [20:21] <Uno> ah
#3571 [20:21] <xales> UNS: on what kind of server? running it on your home computer I assume?
#3572 [20:22] <xales> how much RAM does the computer have? how fast is the internet connection?
#3573 [20:22] <UNS> 3+ people blocks take take 10 seconds to drop from being mined general lag issues like that
#3574 [20:22] <grassminer> i7 920@2.67 6GBram radeon 5850, win7 15/4Mb/sec, I can run linux, if that will help.
#3575 [20:22] <xales> UNS: can you answer the other questions?
#3576 [20:23] <xales> grassminer: what's the problem?
#3577 [20:23] <UNS> i7 920 with 12gb ram nvida 280 gtx on frontier fios 25mb/15
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#3580 [20:23] <UNS> home computer
#3581 [20:23] <grassminer> I just want to know about how many poeple I can serve@home with these specs, or should I get a server, for 15 people?
#3582 [20:24] <xales> grassminer: that...should be fine
#3583 [20:24] <xales> UNS: how are you launching the server? are there any mods running on it?
#3584 [20:24] <UNS> getting an overload messager in the server window with 3 people connecter
#3585 [20:25] <UNS> no mods just running the exe
#3586 [20:25] <grassminer> thanks, I'll give it a shot.
#3587 [20:25] <xales> UNS: you are running it with the EXE?
#3588 [20:25] <UNS> yea
#3589 [20:25] <Uno> "pastebin the output of the 'lsmod' command" That just flew right over my head there
#3590 [20:25] <Coll> slimes are broken in smp huh
#3591 [20:26] <xales> UNS: do you have any other programs running on your computer? including firewall and antivirus - they are known to cause problems
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#3593 [20:26] <xales> Uno: open a terminal, run `lsmod` and copy the output. paste it on http://pastebin.com/
#3594 [20:26] <UNS> no firewall just avast anti virus
#3595 [20:27] <EmpiresBane> ok, new drivers, hopefully this works better
#3596 [20:27] <xales> UNS: try turning it off. are there any other programs running on the computer?
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#3598 [20:27] <UNS> like winamp and chrome? then yes
#3599 [20:28] <UNS> and non server minecraft
#3600 [20:28] <xales> try closing all of that
#3601 [20:28] <xales> and see if the problem is still there
#3602 [20:29] <UNS> if it is any other suggestions? but i will try that
#3603 [20:29] <xales> no idea, other than that
#3604 [20:29] <xales> if that fixes it, then your computer just isn't powerful enough to run the server and do all of that at the same time
#3605 [20:30] <Uno> xales: this is my first time ever trying to run Minecraft, and I'm not really technologically inclined man. If you don't mind taking me through the steps that'd be really nice of ya
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#3607 [20:30] <UNS> will give it a whirl
#3608 [20:30] <xales> Uno: your on Linux, right?
#3609 [20:30] <xales> you're*
#3610 [20:30] <Uno> yes
#3611 [20:30] <xales> Ubuntu?
#3612 [20:30] <Uno> yes sir
#3613 [20:31] <xales> in the menu in the top left, under Accessories or something, there should be "Terminal"
#3614 [20:31] <xales> open that
#3615 [20:31] <xales> type 'lsmod' (without the quotes) and hit enter
#3616 [20:31] <xales> copy the output from that, and go to http://pastebin.com/ and paste it there, then click Submit
#3617 [20:31] <Uno> so just Ismod
#3618 [20:31] <Uno> alright
#3619 [20:31] <xales> it's an l
#3620 [20:31] <xales> l = L
#3621 [20:31] <Uno> ah, sorry man, I got bad eyes :p
#3622 [20:31] <xales> it's ok
#3623 [20:31] <Uno> thanks for clarifying
#3624 [20:32] <xales> once you click submit, paste the url it sends you to in here
#3625 [20:32] <EmpiresBane> damn, i wish this thing could handle smooth lighting
#3626 [20:32] <EmpiresBane> that looks so good
#3627 [20:33] <Uno> alright
#3628 [20:33] <Uno> http://pastebin.com/8Wv7759q
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#3630 [20:34] <xales> can you do the same thing, but 'lshw'?
#3631 [20:34] <xales> (also an L)
#3632 [20:34] <Uno> sure thing
#3633 [20:35] <Uno> http://pastebin.com/neA6nDe7
#3634 [20:35] <Uno> there you go
#3635 [20:36] <xales> oh god, that's what I was afraid of =/
#3636 [20:36] <Uno> :o
#3637 [20:36] <Coll> Are slimes in smp glitched
#3638 [20:36] <GreyVulpine> Yes coll
#3639 [20:36] <Coll> ugh
#3640 [20:36] <Coll> these stupid things wont die
#3641 [20:36] <Coll> thus breaking my elevator
#3642 [20:37] <xales> Uno: the card is a "82865G Integrated Graphics Controller" which is a (pretty) old Intel card, and because of it's age and the fact that Intel graphics are pretty horrible, it's not going to run Minecraft well, if at all
#3643 [20:37] <Uno> damn! I was afraid of that too
#3644 [20:37] <xales> I have heard it's not possible to get it to run under Windows with that card, but it might be able to run (not well) on Linux
#3645 [20:38] <Uno> Well I can try it out and if it lags too bad then I'll just put off getting Minecraft until I get a new pc.
#3646 [20:39] <xales> Uno: go to System->Administration->Additional Drivers
#3647 [20:39] <xales> check anything in there that you see
#3648 [20:41] <Uno> under Administration there isn't any 'Additional Drivers' option
#3649 [20:41] <Uno> I take it that's bad?
#3650 [20:42] <xales> no..
#3651 [20:42] <xales> it might be called just "hardware drivers"
#3652 [20:42] <Uno> ah, alrighty. I have that
#3653 [20:42] <Uno> :p
#3654 [20:43] <Uno> No proprietary devices are in use on this system is all that it says
#3655 [20:45] <xales> Uno: that's not good
#3656 [20:45] <xales> =/
#3657 [20:45] <Uno> dang
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#3659 [20:49] <geo> im looking at a few laptops atm does anyone now if the ATI Radeon HD 4250 graphics chip is any good?
#3660 [20:50] <xales> geo: good? no. will it play minecraft? probably.
#3661 [20:50] <geo> ah
#3662 [20:50] <geo> im looking for a laptop with a fairly low budget
#3663 [20:50] <Uno> so xales, is Minecraft unplayable on my ancient pc then?
#3664 [20:50] <geo> but anything to get rid of my current olshoddy intel shared graphics machine l
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#3666 [20:51] <xales> Uno: pretty much. the graphics card seems to not support the required technology
#3667 [20:51] <Uno> dang, that's sucky
#3668 [20:51] <xales> geo: that should be fine
#3669 [20:51] <geo> hmm
#3670 [20:51] <Uno> but at least now I can stop yelling at my Java window
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#3672 [20:51] <geo> well im looking at a few atm in fact may purchase tomorrow
#3673 [20:52] <geo> the few variants of graphics are just tht one a ati 512 one and a 512 gforce
#3674 [20:52] <geo> processors vary and ram thers like about 100 i can choose from lolz
#3675 [20:52] <geo> im a programmer and lame when it comes tohardware
#3676 [20:53] <geo> i ideally want to be able to run minecraft and a couple other games well
#3677 [20:53] <EmpiresBane> finally got my wireless card drivers working i think i'm done setting this computer up
#3678 [20:54] <geo> atm my 2ghz duo 2gb ram 358mb shared graphics has to play minecraf-15 fpst on fast graphics without lighting can just about manage far distance but like i dont ever get more than 5
#3679 [20:54] <Uno> well thanks anyway xales. Much appreciated that you helped me find out what was wrong, even if it was just the age of my pc.
#3680 [20:55] <xales> Uno: no problem. sorry it can't work. if you have any questions about it when it does work, you know where to go
#3681 [20:55] <Uno> sure thing man, have a good day. :)
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#3684 [20:56] <Rait> Anyone on that can help?
#3685 [20:56] <xales> with?
#3686 [20:58] <Rait> Well it started yesterday, i have the updated server, and client, but when i try to start up a server using the command prompt i get "unrecognized option: -xmx1024m. Could not create Java virtual machine."
#3687 [20:58] <xales> it's -Xmx not -xmx
#3688 [20:58] <Rait> tried both
#3689 [20:58] <Rait> and i've used -xmx before and it worked
#3690 [20:59] <xales> try doing it with "-Xmx1024M"
#3691 [20:59] <xales> just to see
#3692 [20:59] <Rait> >_> shush, it worked
#3693 [20:59] <Rait> Before it worked without capping the x though, but eh, thanks i guess? xD
#3694 [21:00] <EmpiresBane> i can't wait to see when graphics card companies start adding profiles for Minecraft
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#3696 [21:03] <mib> hi
#3697 [21:03] <xales> hi
#3698 [21:03] <ssen> Can you use SSP maps on SMP?
#3699 [21:03] <xales> ssen: yes
#3700 [21:03] <ssen> I would assume they are the same files
#3701 [21:03] <ssen> So copying them over would suffice?
#3702 [21:03] <mib> can you answer stuff about payment?
#3703 [21:04] <mib> or buying the game?
#3704 [21:04] <EmpiresBane> ssen, yeah
#3705 [21:04] <GreyVulpine> What questions?
#3706 [21:04] <EmpiresBane> the file format is the same
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#3708 [21:05] <mib> i trying buying the game ith a credit card but it told me i had a error and to visit a shop and use a id and other infromation
#3709 [21:05] <mib> what do i do?
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#3711 [21:05] <GreyVulpine> What error did you get mib?
#3712 [21:07] <mib> i dont knwo i cant load back the page should i try again or will it charge m twice?
#3713 [21:07] <xales> If you got an error then it would not have charged you
#3714 [21:07] <xales> is it a prepaid card, by any chance?
#3715 [21:08] <mib> nope credit card
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#3717 [21:08] <mib> i have the id number if that helps any
#3718 [21:09] <xales> Try using it with Paypal
#3719 [21:10] <oldtopman> I missed somebody asking for a server :(
#3720 [21:11] <mib> uhm what if i dont have a paypal?
#3721 [21:11] <GreyVulpine> You don't need to make a paypal account to use it
#3722 [21:12] <GreyVulpine> Paypal offers the ability to also pay via credit card as well, without the need to sign up for their server, or to link a bank account to it
#3723 [21:12] <GreyVulpine> server = service
#3724 [21:12] <mib> will a via card work?
#3725 [21:12] <xales> yes
#3726 [21:13] <mib> ok ill try it
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#3728 [21:14] <red_snow1> ello
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#3730 [21:15] <SkiingPenguins> hi
#3731 [21:15] <red_snow1> i am running an older version of minecraft
#3732 [21:16] <red_snow1> trying to figure out how to update it without losing any data
#3733 [21:16] <red_snow1> do i just run the jar ...
#3734 [21:16] <SkiingPenguins> just backup your .minecraft folder
#3735 [21:16] <SkiingPenguins> or whatever it is on your OS
#3736 [21:16] <mib> ok it worked should wait till the e-mail pops up before i do anything else?
#3737 [21:16] <red_snow1> k and then just run a reinstall again?
#3738 [21:17] <xales> mib: you can see if it lets you login
#3739 [21:17] <xales> red_snow1: it will automatically update when you log in
#3740 [21:17] <xales> there is no "install"
#3741 [21:17] <mib> but im already signed in should i sign out and back in?
#3742 [21:17] <xales> mib: no, just download the client from http://minecraft.net/download.jsp and see if it lets you log in
#3743 [21:18] <mib> ok
#3744 [21:19] <mib> i signed in its loading
#3745 [21:20] <mib> guess thats it then?
#3746 [21:20] <xales> yep, it seems to have worked
#3747 [21:20] <mib> if i downlad i can play offline even whwn the sever are down?
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#3749 [21:20] <red_snow1> so i just restart the server basically and it will update itself?
#3750 [21:20] <xales> red_snow1: the server is manually updated
#3751 [21:21] <xales> just re-download the .jar or .exe and overwrite the old one
#3752 [21:21] <red_snow1> okk
#3753 [21:23] <GreyVulpine> mib - Yes.
#3754 [21:23] <mib> how does that work?
#3755 [21:24] <xales> mib: it will give you the option to click "play offline"
#3756 [21:25] <mib> were is that located?
#3757 [21:26] <xales> mib: it will only show up if it can't connect
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#3759 [21:26] <Doabarrellroll> hi, whenever i have monsters on, my world wont load
#3760 [21:26] <Doabarrellroll> i endlessly fall, any ideas?
#3761 [21:26] <xales> do you have any mods running?
#3762 [21:26] <Doabarrellroll> nope
#3763 [21:27] <Doabarrellroll> fresh download
#3764 [21:27] <Doabarrellroll> from minecraft.net
#3765 [21:27] <mib> what does it mean for seed for the world genrtaor?
#3766 [21:28] <Doabarrellroll> it kinda customizes the world
#3767 [21:28] <Doabarrellroll> like some keywords spawn more mountains and some dont
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#3769 [21:28] <Doabarrellroll> xales, any ideas?
#3770 [21:28] <GreyVulpine> Basically mib, it's a value that the random number generator uses as a starting point
#3771 [21:28] <xales> Diablothein: I assume you mean on a server, not singleplayer?
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#3773 [21:28] <xales> err
#3774 [21:28] <GreyVulpine> If you give the same seed to two copies of minecraft, to generate a world, they'll generate the same world
#3775 [21:28] <xales> Doabarrellroll:
#3776 [21:29] <Doabarrellroll> yes xales
#3777 [21:29] <Doabarrellroll> SMP
#3778 [21:29] <mib> o so i type 1 in it or leave it blank?
#3779 [21:29] <GreyVulpine> Leave it blank
#3780 [21:29] <Doabarrellroll> type in lik minecraft
#3781 [21:29] <xales> Doabarrellroll: how much RAM and how fast is the CPU on the server?
#3782 [21:29] <GreyVulpine> It'll randomly generate a seed
#3783 [21:29] <Doabarrellroll> xales, 4gb of ram
#3784 [21:29] <Doabarrellroll> i5 processor
#3785 [21:29] <mib> kk thanks
#3786 [21:29] <xales> I assume you are playing on the same computer the server is on?
#3787 [21:29] <Doabarrellroll> xales, should i put in the command in command prompt
#3788 [21:30] <Doabarrellroll> yup
#3789 [21:30] <xales> are you using the .exe to launch the server?
#3790 [21:30] <Doabarrellroll> yup
#3791 [21:30] <xales> are you running ZoneAlarm by any chance?
#3792 [21:30] <Doabarrellroll> no
#3793 [21:30] <Doabarrellroll> whats that haha
#3794 [21:31] <xales> a firewall program that has issues
#3795 [21:31] <xales> especially with Minecraft
#3796 [21:31] <xales> hmm
#3797 [21:31] <Doabarrellroll> oh
#3798 [21:31] <Doabarrellroll> no
#3799 [21:31] <Doabarrellroll> ima try it on another compute
#3800 [21:31] <Doabarrellroll> r
#3801 [21:31] <xales> ok
#3802 [21:33] <mib> how do i get stuuf do i find them?
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#3804 [21:34] <GreyVulpine> Yes mib
#3805 [21:34] <mib> k
#3806 [21:35] <GreyVulpine> You either get the raw materials in the world, or you craft them using a workbench/furnace, which you also get by crafting with materials found in the world
#3807 [21:35] <GreyVulpine> The wiki is a great resource
#3808 [21:35] <GreyVulpine> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Crafting
#3809 [21:35] <GreyVulpine> As well as the tutorial
#3810 [21:35] <GreyVulpine> !tutorial
#3811 [21:36] <red_snow1> whats the linux command to backup/copy the minecraft folder in linux?
#3812 [21:36] <GreyVulpine> cp
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#3814 [21:36] <GreyVulpine> cp source destination
#3815 [21:36] <red_snow1> cs <folder> <new folder name>?
#3816 [21:37] <red_snow1> *cp
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#3819 [21:41] <gamer> Hello Anyone in here?
#3820 [21:41] <GreyVulpine> Nope
#3821 [21:41] <gamer> great
#3822 [21:41] <gamer> I was here back in this day
#3823 [21:42] <gamer> I have a problem when I connect to a server I get an error wait I will write it in one sec.
#3824 [21:42] <gamer> Connection Lost
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#3826 [21:42] <gamer> Internal exception: java.net.SoketException:Connection reset by peer:socket write error
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#3828 [21:43] <xales> gamer: is this one particular server, or any server?
#3829 [21:43] <gamer> Any server
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#3831 [21:43] <xales> do you have a firewall running?
#3832 [21:43] <gamer> no matter which
#3833 [21:43] <gamer> No I dont
#3834 [21:43] <gamer> Also no Anti virus blocking it
#3835 [21:44] <xales> what antivirus are you using?
#3836 [21:44] <gamer> Avira
#3837 [21:44] <xales> hm
#3838 [21:45] <xales> you are sure you don't have a firewall running?
#3839 [21:45] <xales> also, do you have any other programs open?
#3840 [21:45] <gamer> I am
#3841 [21:45] <nevercast> There are COWS on my farmland.. it's fenced off. How'd they spawn there?
#3842 [21:45] <gamer> No Programs that could block
#3843 [21:45] <gamer> because I could connect to any server before latest update
#3844 [21:45] <nevercast> xales, help man.. I just lost my entire farm to a cow
#3845 [21:46] <xales> gamer: have you tried reinstalling Minecraft?
#3846 [21:46] <gamer> Did
#3847 [21:46] <gamer> I have done everything that could may fix this one
#3848 [21:46] <gamer> Java un and installed
#3849 [21:46] <gamer> Minecraft
#3850 [21:47] <gamer> Set Antivirus off
#3851 [21:47] <gamer> Change Priority to high
#3852 [21:49] <nevercast> Kealper. Help?
#3853 [21:50] <xales> gamer: no idea then =/
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#3855 [21:50] <xales> nevercast might have an idea :P
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#3857 [21:50] <nevercast> xales, I've got my own problems.. try again later :P
#3858 [21:51] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, socket write error? Check NIC?
#3859 [21:51] <aetherian> heh. nevercast.
#3860 [21:52] <nevercast> aetherian, ?
#3861 [21:52] <aetherian> uhh
#3862 [21:52] <aetherian> nothing.
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#3864 [21:56] <aetherian> heya mib_8yvrub
#3865 [21:56] <aetherian> you need help, right?
#3866 [21:56] <mib_8yvrub> i sure do
#3867 [21:56] <gamer> NIC?
#3868 [21:56] <xales> gamer: Network interface card
#3869 [21:56] <GreyVulpine> network interface..
#3870 [21:56] <xales> mib_8yvrub: what with?
#3871 [21:56] <GreyVulpine> damnit
#3872 [21:56] <xales> GreyVulpine: I'm ninjaing everyone today :P
#3873 [21:57] <aetherian> @_@
#3874 [21:57] <mib_8yvrub> im trying to buy minecraft with a prepaid visa i just bought and it says that there is a transaction error and that the card is ineligble for 3d secure payment, and yes i have registered it
#3875 [21:57] <xales> mib_8yvrub: prepaid vida cards can't be used for international transactions
#3876 [21:57] * Kealper has returned!
#3876 [21:58] <xales> visa*
#3877 [21:58] * Kealper rawrs!
#3877 [21:58] <aetherian> ??> mib_8yvrub prepaid
#3878 [21:58] <VoxelHead> mib_8yvrub: (prepaid) Prepaid or gift credit cards will generally not work for purchasing Minecraft, because their fraud prevention klobbers international transactions.
#3879 [21:58] <aetherian> oh...
#3880 [21:58] <aetherian> dammit
#3881 [21:58] <mib_8yvrub> gaaah
#3882 [21:58] * aetherian looked at the index
#3882 [21:58] <mib_8yvrub> its the reason i bought it :(
#3883 [21:58] <mib_8yvrub> oh well
#3884 [21:58] <mib_8yvrub> that was a waste of $50, thanks anyway
#3885 [21:58] <Kealper> mib_8yvrub: you could try something
#3886 [21:58] <aetherian> $50 o.o
#3887 [21:59] <aetherian> the... the game's... it's only 15 euros
#3888 [21:59] <Kealper> try using it to charge up a paypal account, use the paypal account to then buy the game
#3889 [21:59] <mib_8yvrub> i know but it was the smallest prepaid i could get
#3890 [21:59] <mib_8yvrub> i will try that kealper
#3891 [22:00] <mib_8yvrub> ok well thanks for the info peoples
#3892 [22:00] <xales> Kealper: you can't do that with a card
#3893 [22:00] <xales> only a bank account
#3894 [22:00] <oldtopman> Sorry:(
#3895 [22:00] <mib_8yvrub> :(
#3896 [22:00] <Kealper> oh.... :/
#3897 [22:00] <xales> you have to use a second (real) card on another paypal account
#3898 [22:00] <xales> then "send money" to it
#3899 [22:00] <xales> then use that account to buy it
#3900 [22:00] <xales> I bought it with funds from a visa gift card doing that
#3901 [22:01] <xales> I just made another Paypal account, and sent money to my real account, which is linked to a real credit card
#3902 [22:01] <aetherian> this all sounds awfully work-around-y
#3903 [22:01] <mib_8yvrub> so i would need 2 credit cards and a bank card?
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#3905 [22:02] <xales> mib_8yvrub: no, you would just need 2 credit cards
#3906 [22:02] <xales> you should be able to use two prepaid cards
#3907 [22:02] <xales> if you have an empty one, you should be able to use that
#3908 [22:02] <xales> (or, very very close to empty, like a random $0.01 in it)
#3909 [22:02] <mib_8yvrub> unfortunately i only have 1, fuuuudge
#3910 [22:03] <xales> I have $0.01 in my Steam Wallet
#3911 [22:03] <xales> ._.
#3912 [22:03] <aetherian> haha
#3913 [22:03] <aetherian> you could buy...
#3914 [22:03] <Kealper> a whole penny? that's a lot!
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#3916 [22:03] <aetherian> uh...
#3917 [22:03] <xales> Kealper: not a half penny
#3918 [22:03] <xales> a whole one
#3919 [22:04] <mib_8yvrub> i have many pennies and no minecraft :(
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#3921 [22:05] <Kealper> if i had a paypal account i'd say you could send me the ~$20 and i'd buy it for you, but i don't have a paypal account :/
#3922 [22:05] <mib_8yvrub> i guess i should have asked before i bought this thing that can only be used in canada.
#3923 [22:05] <aetherian> it's unbelievable (not really /un/beli- oh you get it) that minecraft got so many purchases with no advertising.
#3924 [22:06] <Kealper> aetherian: i;ve thought the same thing....minecraft has had more sales than popular titles like Quake 2 and Sim City 2000....and minecraft had literally no paid advertising
#3925 [22:06] <aetherian> those are old games...
#3926 [22:06] <aetherian> but yeah
#3927 [22:06] <aetherian> no advertising ftw
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#3929 [22:06] <aetherian> you have to think, would sales have been better or worse if all that time he had advertising
#3930 [22:07] <xales> better I think
#3931 [22:07] <aetherian> I'm not sure...
#3932 [22:07] <Kealper> same, because there is really no other game like this, for the longest time it was the only one of it's kind :/
#3933 [22:07] <aetherian> eh?
#3934 [22:07] <Kealper> so if it had more advertising, it would probably be doing even better than it is now
#3935 [22:07] <aetherian> for the longest time?
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#3937 [22:08] <Kealper> there are a few clones in-dev now
#3938 [22:08] <aetherian> 1: I thought it was based off of infiniminer. 2: what are the clones?
#3939 [22:08] <xales> aetherian: based? yes. inifniminer was nothing like Minecraft though
#3940 [22:08] <Kealper> based off, but those are lacking
#3941 [22:08] <Kealper> and the clones are stupid stuff like cubeland or whatever it's called
#3942 [22:09] <xales> fortresscraft
#3943 [22:09] <aetherian> fail
#3944 [22:09] <aetherian> nobody buy them >:
#3945 [22:09] <Toast> Manic Digger
#3946 [22:09] <Kealper> ^
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#3948 [22:10] <Kealper> gamer: you're gonna break the revolving door if you keep running through it that fast
#3949 [22:10] <Toast> "THE ORIGINAL, MANIC DIGGER" - stupid reviewer guy on Youtube
#3950 [22:10] <Toast> That guy got epically flamed
#3951 [22:10] <aetherian> fortresscraft looks fail
#3952 [22:10] <aetherian> (except the water, admittedly)
#3953 [22:11] <Toast> He was clicking on blocks, and he thought mobs would become friendly if he throw flowers at them
#3954 [22:11] <Kealper> woh
#3955 [22:11] <aetherian> o.o
#3956 [22:12] <Kealper> fortresscraft has some epic looking water
#3957 [22:12] <aetherian> like I said
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#3960 [22:13] <aetherian> but...
#3961 [22:13] <aetherian> in my list, graphics has always been the lowest for things to look for in a game
#3962 [22:14] <Kealper> meh...it depends for me....if the game has quality content, i couldn't care less about graphics....if the game is an empty shell..then damnit it better look good lol
#3963 [22:14] <Kealper> (kinda like crysis)
#3964 [22:15] <Toast> !isdown minecraft.net
#3965 [22:15] <GreyBot> Toast: It's just you. http://minecraft.net is up.
#3966 [22:15] <aetherian> if the game is an empty shell, don't buy it
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#3969 [22:18] <Liraxus> Scuse me, but i need a little help.
#3970 [22:18] <Kealper> you're 'scused
#3971 [22:18] <Kealper> help with?
#3972 [22:18] <gamer> I fixed my Problem finaly
#3973 [22:18] <aetherian> aww
#3974 [22:18] <aetherian> I was gonna ??ask him, but you already asked >.>
#3975 [22:19] <gamer> How ever I changed graphix settings and worked :S??????
#3976 [22:19] <Kealper> gamer: what was the issue? it had be stumped
#3977 [22:19] <Kealper> O.o
#3978 [22:19] <gamer> I dont know how
#3979 [22:19] <Liraxus> Where in the Minecraft.jar file can i find the Block texture
#3980 [22:19] <Kealper> Liraxus: are you searching through the jar that resides in .minecraft\bin or the one you download?
#3981 [22:19] <Liraxus> The one where the mob skins are located
#3982 [22:20] <Kealper> the block textures won't be inside a folder, they will be amidst the spam of .class files, in an image called texture.png or something like that
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#3984 [22:20] <Liraxus> Ok, lemme check
#3985 [22:21] <gamer> But thanks for help any how^^
#3986 [22:22] <Kealper> Liraxus: just checked, you're looking for terrain.png in the root of the jar file
#3987 [22:22] <Liraxus> huh
#3988 [22:22] <Liraxus> Its not their...
#3989 [22:22] <Liraxus> :l
#3990 [22:22] <Kealper> O.o
#3991 [22:22] <Liraxus> Thats weird, minecraft runs just fine
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#3993 [22:23] <Liraxus> Would the factor i used an old alpha texture to lower lag be a problem?
#3994 [22:23] <Liraxus> I removed it whenever it stopped working in beta.
#3995 [22:23] <Kealper> probably not? that terrain.png has always been there :/
#3996 [22:24] <Liraxus> welp, i don't got it
#3997 [22:24] <Liraxus> Ya see, i am working on a texture pack
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#3999 [22:24] <Liraxus> Called the "Garrison Pack"
#4000 [22:24] <Liraxus> You know Gang garrison 2?
#4001 [22:24] <Kealper> what i do is extract the contents to a folder and then delete the spam of .class files so i can see stuff easier
#4002 [22:24] <Kealper> no, i don't know it :/
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#4004 [22:24] <Liraxus> I looked very very hard through the class files
#4005 [22:25] <Liraxus> I just need the PNG image of the Decorative and terrain files, and i will be good.
#4006 [22:25] <Liraxus> I need to show my friends SOMETHING, they wanna see it.
#4007 [22:25] <xales> Kealper: GG2 is hilarious
#4008 [22:25] <xales> it's a demake of TF2
#4009 [22:25] <xales> it's not very fun though =/
#4010 [22:25] <Liraxus> i mean, so far i only got the moon and sun done.
#4011 [22:25] <Kealper> LOL i get the name now
#4012 [22:26] <Liraxus> Yeah, change the name to a name that means the same
#4013 [22:26] <Liraxus> for example... Portal, gate
#4014 [22:26] <Liraxus> Left 4 dead, Forgotten 4 uh...whatever
#4015 [22:26] <Liraxus> ya get the deal
#4016 [22:26] <Liraxus> I have the moon and sun done, if you guys want i can take a screeny of it
#4017 [22:27] <Kealper> not sure if distributing the default textures would count as distributing the game, so idk if i can just zip up the textures i took out of the jar for work on my texture pack :/
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#4019 [22:27] <Liraxus> Giving the images wouldn't distribute the game,
#4020 [22:27] <xales> why not just delete the jar and get them yourself, Liraxus?
#4021 [22:27] <Liraxus> You'd have to give out free cracked servers,
#4022 [22:28] <Liraxus> Im not really good with files, i only understand the basics and things like that.
#4023 [22:28] <Toast> Cracked servers?
#4024 [22:28] <Kealper> well, Liraxus you are in windows right?
#4025 [22:28] <Liraxus> All i need is those 2 files and im done.
#4026 [22:28] <Toast> delete .minecraft\bin\version
#4027 [22:28] <xales> Liraxus: if you just delete the bin folder, it will redownload everything. you can then just extract them from there
#4028 [22:29] <Liraxus> Okie dokie
#4029 [22:30] <Kealper> and when you get the fresh copy...actually extract the entire jar file into a folder, so you can organize the files by type and see png files easier
#4030 [22:30] <Liraxus> Ok, i deleted bin
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#4032 [22:30] <Liraxus> now to open up minecraft.
#4033 [22:30] <xales> re-run Minecraft now and log in
#4034 [22:30] <xales> yeah
#4035 [22:30] * mib_ngzmjq [mib_ngzmjq@notlogged] has joined ##MineCraftHelp
#4036 [22:30] <mib_ngzmjq> hey
#4037 [22:30] <xales> hi
#4038 [22:30] <mib_ngzmjq> i spawned about 10000 chickens in a server
#4039 [22:30] <mib_ngzmjq> now i cant log in
#4040 [22:31] <xales> well, that's surprising
#4041 [22:31] <Liraxus> wtf
#4042 [22:31] <mib_ngzmjq> so how do i remove them without loging in?
#4043 [22:31] <Liraxus> :l
#4044 [22:31] <xales> restart the server
#4045 [22:31] <Liraxus> Ok, now its not letting me play offline
#4046 [22:31] <Liraxus> Stupid thing
#4047 [22:31] <xales> Liraxus: that is what happens when you delete the bin folder
#4048 [22:31] <xales> the idea is to play online so that it can redownload things
#4049 [22:31] <Liraxus> great...
#4050 [22:31] <GLaDOS> mib_ngzmjq: you cant
#4051 [22:32] <Liraxus> For some reason, i tried multiplayer
#4052 [22:32] <GLaDOS> mib_ngzmjq: unless you want to spend hours
#4053 [22:32] <Liraxus> it said "User not premium"
#4054 [22:32] <Liraxus> I don't even know what that is.
#4055 [22:32] <Kealper> Liraxus: you did buy the game right?
#4056 [22:32] <Liraxus> My friend gave me Minecraft from some link
#4057 [22:32] <Liraxus> ...
#4058 [22:32] <Liraxus> Oooh crap
#4059 [22:32] <Liraxus> its pirated.
#4060 [22:32] <Liraxus> FUCK
#4061 [22:32] <Kealper> ._.
#4062 [22:32] <EmpiresBane> lol
#4063 [22:32] <GLaDOS> HELLO PIRATE
#4064 [22:32] <jonasm> -.-''
#4065 [22:32] <mib_ngzmjq> wewll i want to spend hours
#4066 [22:32] <mib_ngzmjq> how do i do it 0,0
#4067 [22:32] <Kealper> buy the game then -.-
#4068 [22:33] <Liraxus> *delete*
#4069 [22:33] <GLaDOS> lets deny support to the pirate!
#4070 [22:33] <Liraxus> Don't look at me, my friends the bloody pirate, i didn't know!
#4071 [22:33] <GLaDOS> k
#4072 [22:33] <GLaDOS> *Says the Pirate*
#4073 [22:33] <jonasm> Mhm...
#4074 [22:33] <Toast> :v
#4075 [22:33] <xales> mib_ngzmjq: restart the server
#4076 [22:33] <xales> if you don't run the server
#4077 [22:33] <xales> you can't do anything about it
#4078 [22:34] <Liraxus> So what, you all accuse me of being the pirate, well fine, go ahead and call me it, just remember what i said.
#4079 [22:34] <GLaDOS> whos your friend
#4080 [22:34] <Liraxus> And to prove it, im going to work my best to finally get damn minecraft
#4081 [22:34] <Liraxus> Some random idiot, he left the chat years ago
#4082 [22:34] <xales> Liraxus: just ignore GLaDOS, it's a troll.
#4083 [22:34] <GLaDOS> http://minecraft.net/purchase.jsp
#4084 [22:34] * xales kicked GLaDOS from #MineCraftHelp (Reason: :<)
#4085 [22:34] <Liraxus> Was called uh... Kid Chameleon
#4086 [22:34] * GLaDOS [GLaDOS@notlogged] has joined ##MineCraftHelp
#4087 [22:34] * ChanServ kicked xales from #MineCraftHelp (Reason: KICK by GLaDOS (bitch))
#4088 [22:34] <Kealper> poor glados
#4089 [22:34] <Liraxus> Or something
#4090 [22:34] * xales [xales@notlogged] has joined ##MineCraftHelp
#4091 [22:34] <jonasm> It's http://www.minecraft.net/prepurchase.jsp
#4092 [22:34] <GLaDOS> anyway
#4093 [22:34] <Liraxus> Ok, i will remember that
#4094 [22:35] <Liraxus> Later
#4095 [22:35] <xales> hey ChanServ
#4096 [22:35] <xales> you didn't op me
#4097 [22:35] <xales> what now?
#4098 [22:35] <xales> bitch.
#4099 [22:35] <Kealper> he probably feels incredibly stupid right now
#4100 [22:35] <mib_ngzmjq> so basically i have 2 wait for the owner 2 be on to restart it then it should be all good?
#4101 [22:35] <GLaDOS> mib_ngzmjq: yes
#4102 [22:35] <EmpiresBane> ... that wasn't your server?
#4103 [22:35] <GLaDOS> mib_ngzmjq: also, good luck explaining why you're a /b/tard
#4104 [22:35] <mib_ngzmjq> even with about 20000 chickens?
#4105 [22:35] <mib_ngzmjq> lol
#4106 [22:35] <xales> mib_ngzmjq: yes, you could also write "to" instead of "2." It's only one more button to press
#4107 [22:36] <Kealper> that is probably lagging that server so bad
#4108 [22:36] <jonasm> mib-ngzmjq, or you can just overload the server..
#4109 [22:36] <xales> oh wait, looks like you already did that
#4110 [22:36] <EmpiresBane> jonasm, that won't restart it
#4111 [22:36] <Kealper> jonasm: that's why he is here in the first place lol
#4112 [22:36] <jonasm> it'll make sure it goes down.
#4113 [22:36] <EmpiresBane> that'll only stop it
#4114 [22:36] <mib_ngzmjq> yep kealper
#4115 [22:36] <mib_ngzmjq> xD
#4116 [22:36] * theunleet [theunleet@notlogged] has joined ##MineCraftHelp
#4117 [22:37] <theunleet> my old launcher wont connect to minecraft.net and I have a server IP saved there >_<
#4118 [22:37] <Kealper> another good way is to get like 5k arrows laying around....the server hates that too
#4119 [22:37] <jonasm> that'll maybe make it so the owner is aware of the server.
#4120 [22:37] <mib_ngzmjq> lol hes aware just afk for now >.>
#4121 [22:37] <theunleet> nvm i figured it out
#4122 [22:37] <jonasm> I see.
#4123 [22:37] <Kealper> theunleet: server IPs are not saved in the launcher :/
#4124 [22:37] <mib_ngzmjq> well thanks guys hope restarting works =)
#4125 [22:38] <EmpiresBane> hrm... i know i got on the computer for a reason...
#4126 [22:38] * GLaDOS kicked jonasm from #MineCraftHelp (Reason: get back to #minecraft, newfag)
#4127 [22:39] <GreyVulpine> O.o
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#4129 [22:39] <Kealper> wut
#4130 [22:39] <GLaDOS> sorry, i meant to kick him 2 minutes ago
#4131 [22:39] <jonasm> GLaDos, what'd I do?
#4132 [22:39] <GLaDOS> tell someone to crash a server
#4133 [22:40] <xales> GLaDOS: M no op here
#4134 [22:40] * oinoj [oinoj@notlogged] has joined ##MineCraftHelp
#4135 [22:40] <Kealper> M isn't cool enough to be +o in this channel
#4136 [22:40] <jonasm> That was an alternative to not being able to play.
#4137 [22:40] <jonasm> make a server go down for a minute or so - or not be able to play for an hour.
#4138 [22:40] <GreyVulpine> How about no?
#4139 [22:40] <Kealper> eh?
#4140 [22:40] * PcJamesy [PcJamesy@notlogged] has joined ##MineCraftHelp
#4141 [22:41] <Toast> GreyVulpine is the undisputed ruler of this channel don't mess with him
#4142 [22:41] <EmpiresBane> where's TW?
#4143 [22:41] <Kealper> but i'm the self-declared dictator
#4144 [22:42] <GLaDOS> jonasm: crashing server sttly duz nawt equalz wai of destroying the whole map
#4145 [22:42] * Riobe [Riobe@notlogged] has joined ##MineCraftHelp
#4146 [22:42] <GLaDOS> DO YOUR RESEARCH
#4147 [22:42] <xales> GLaDOS: sttly?
#4148 [22:42] <jonasm> >_>
#4149 [22:42] <Dusty_Dick> this is the guy that was having prepaid visa troubles earlier, i am now the proud owner of a copy of mine craft :) now only if i can figure out how to get this thing wide screen :P
#4150 [22:42] <Riobe> Are there any good resources to help get one up to speed on making Minecraft mods?
#4151 [22:42] <xales> Dusty_Dick: F11
#4152 [22:42] <Dusty_Dick> thank you sir
#4153 [22:42] <xales> ??> Riobe mods
#4154 [22:42] <jonasm> If you press F11 you can play in fullscreen.
#4155 [22:42] <VoxelHead> Riobe: (mods) This channel is not a venue for support with third-party mods. For assistance with Bukkit, check #Bukkit
#4156 [22:42] <Kealper> dang ninjas
#4157 [22:42] <VoxelHead> Riobe: (mods) You will find a lot of information here: http://tiny.cc/gentle-mod-install-tut Also, for forther assistance with many other mods, check #RisuCraft - mod help here is more likely once the official API is revealed.
#4158 [22:42] <Dusty_Dick> thanks everyone
#4159 [22:42] <GLaDOS> Dusty_Dick: hint: press F3
#4160 [22:42] <Toast> We don't need five answers for one person
#4161 [22:42] <GLaDOS> its epic
#4162 [22:43] <Riobe> I'm not trying to install one.
#4163 [22:43] <GLaDOS> you implying something?
#4164 [22:43] <Riobe> I was hoping for someone to be willing to point me to where I could learn to make one.
#4165 [22:43] <Kealper> Toast: the more the merrier
#4166 [22:43] <Toast> Riobe: #risucraft
#4167 [22:43] * GLaDOS kicked Riobe from #MineCraftHelp (Reason: #Risucraft or GTFO)
#4168 [22:43] <xales> GLaDOS: no
#4169 [22:43] <Toast> :/
#4170 [22:43] <GLaDOS> c:
#4171 [22:43] <GLaDOS> i put it to him straight
#4172 [22:43] * Toast stares at GLaDOS
#4172 [22:44] <GLaDOS> he got in there alright
#4173 [22:44] * Toast launches a wad of butter at GLaDOS anyway
#4173 [22:44] * grassminer [grassminer@notlogged] has joined ##MineCraftHelp
#4174 [22:44] * GLaDOS dodges
#4174 [22:45] <Dusty_Dick> i hit f3, what is happenin?
#4175 [22:46] <xales> Dusty_Dick: it's debug info
#4176 [22:46] <xales> just hit F3 again to turn it off
#4177 [22:46] <grassminer> hello, I have just set a server up, and would like to know if anybody can connect? can I do this here?
#4178 [22:46] <GreyVulpine> Yes grassminer
#4179 [22:47] <grassminer> okay, here is the IP and port, 68.60.161.168:25565
#4180 [22:47] <GreyVulpine> !check 68.60.161.168
#4181 [22:47] <Toast> First try?
#4182 [22:47] <GreyVulpine> Works fine
#4183 [22:47] <Toast> Is AuBot working properly?
#4184 [22:47] <grassminer> okay, thank you. first try, yes.
#4185 [22:48] <Kealper> !check asdf
#4186 [22:48] <Kealper> yep
#4187 [22:48] * Toast gives grassminer a sticker
#4187 [22:49] <grassminer> I will get to work messing with it now.
#4188 [22:49] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, how would I give a button's signal a longer "ON" delay?
#4189 [22:50] <xales> GreyVulpine: possibly with the new block that I still don't know what exactly it does?
#4190 [22:50] <Kealper> xales: magical things
#4191 [22:50] <GreyVulpine> It's a repeater block, with adjustable delay
#4192 [22:50] <GreyVulpine> as well as a diode
#4193 [22:50] <GLaDOS> !check gender GLaDOS
#4194 [22:50] <GLaDOS> aw
#4195 [22:51] <GLaDOS> (note to self: work on insults using AuBot)
#4196 [22:51] <Toast> !check your life
#4197 [22:51] <xales> Thank you AuBot
#4198 [22:51] * mpfiv [mpfiv@notlogged] has joined ##MineCraftHelp
#4199 [22:51] <mpfiv> alright anyone familiar with linux in here?
#4200 [22:51] * GLaDOS eats Toast
#4200 [22:51] <Kealper> mpfiv: lots of people, shoot
#4201 [22:51] <GLaDOS> mpfiv: im using yewbuntoo
#4202 [22:51] <GLaDOS> go ahead
#4203 [22:52] <GLaDOS> !check jewbuntoo
#4204 [22:52] <mpfiv> oh goody, so im trying to install topaz's server mod
#4205 [22:52] <GLaDOS> >implying we support mods
#4206 [22:52] <xales> ??>> mpfiv mods
#4207 [22:52] <mpfiv> well you might have some idea
#4208 [22:52] <Toast> >implying I want to kick GLaDOS
#4209 [22:52] <mpfiv> its more of a linux question
#4210 [22:53] <xales> mpfiv: ask away then
#4211 [22:53] <mpfiv> i can handle the mod myself lol
#4212 [22:53] <mpfiv> perl -MCPAN -e 'install IO::Compress::Gzip, IO::Uncompress::Gunzip'
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#4214 [22:53] <mpfiv> is the command im trying to use
#4215 [22:53] <mpfiv> its returning the error
#4216 [22:53] <GLaDOS> ??> mpfiv mods
#4217 [22:53] <VoxelHead> mpfiv: (mods) This channel is not a venue for support with third-party mods. For assistance with Bukkit, check #Bukkit
#4218 [22:53] <VoxelHead> mpfiv: (mods) You will find a lot of information here: http://tiny.cc/gentle-mod-install-tut Also, for forther assistance with many other mods, check #RisuCraft - mod help here is more likely once the official API is revealed.
#4219 [22:53] <Kealper> can't say i've tried doing that with perl
#4220 [22:53] <GLaDOS> u did it rong
#4221 [22:53] <mpfiv> i did it wrong?
#4222 [22:53] <Kealper> GLaDOS: stop failing, perl is not a mc mod >.>
#4223 [22:53] <GLaDOS> k :c
#4224 [22:53] <mpfiv> lol
#4225 [22:54] <mpfiv> i told you i could handle the mod myself
#4226 [22:54] <mpfiv> its a linux question
#4227 [22:54] <mpfiv> its returning loverly errors
#4228 [22:54] <mpfiv> Failed 78/85 test scripts, 8.24% okay. 20684/20901 subtests failed, 1.04% okay.
#4229 [22:54] <mpfiv> make: *** [test_dynamic] Error 255
#4230 [22:54] <mpfiv> /usr/bin/make test -- NOT OK
#4231 [22:54] <Kealper> well, i can't say i know how to help with that, i've just always went to cpan to get any perl modules that i needed, then added them manually :/
#4232 [22:55] <xales> I use aptitude to get perl modules
#4233 [22:55] <xales> :>
#4234 [22:55] <mpfiv> Failed 78/85 test scripts, 8.24% okay. 20684/20901 subtests failed, 1.04% okay.-make: *** [test_dynamic] Error 255-/usr/bin/make test -- NOT OK-Running make install-make test had returned bad status, won't install without force-Running install for module IO::Uncompress::Gunzip
#4235 [22:55] <Kealper> aptitude can download perl modules from cpan? O.o
#4236 [22:55] <blinky> Anyone know why Minecraft is unable to register a saved world, despite the files being present?
#4237 [22:56] <Kealper> blinky: it's level.dat must be corrupt
#4238 [22:56] <mpfiv> Running make for P/PM/PMQS/IO-Compress-2.033.tar.gz-Is already unwrapped into directory /root/.cpan/build/IO-Compress-2.033-Has already been processed within this session
#4239 [22:56] <mpfiv> Running make test
#4240 [22:56] <mpfiv> Won't repeat unsuccessful test during this command
#4241 [22:56] <mpfiv> Running make install
#4242 [22:56] <xales> ?? irc/flood
#4243 [22:56] <VoxelHead> irc/flood: Please don't flood the channel; don't use the Enter key as a comma. If you have a lot to say, it's a lot easier for everyone to read if you contain it all on one line, and it makes the channel easier to follow. Thanks.
#4244 [22:56] <mpfiv> make test had returned bad status, won't install without force
#4245 [22:56] <xales> err
#4246 [22:56] <blinky> So, the save is basically lost?
#4247 [22:56] <mpfiv> im not trying to flood it lol
#4248 [22:56] <xales> ?? pastebin
#4249 [22:56] <VoxelHead> pastebin: Pasting into IRC is called "flooding" and is not permitted - you should use a service such as http://pastebin.com/ to paste anything longer than ONE LINE. If you are unsure, use Pastebin.
#4250 [22:56] <mpfiv> oh
#4251 [22:56] <VoxelHead> pastebin: These services allow you to paste the text on their site, then share a short link that allows us to see the full text you pasted
#4252 [22:56] <mpfiv> good idea sorry lol
#4253 [22:57] <blinky> Kealper: So the save is completely lost?
#4254 [22:58] * ifish [ifish@notlogged] has joined ##MineCraftHelp
#4255 [22:58] <Kealper> blinky: sorry, didn't see your message in the spam....it might be salvagable
#4256 [22:58] * Adju [Adju@notlogged] has joined ##MineCraftHelp
#4257 [22:58] <Kealper> go into your world's folder
#4258 [22:58] <mpfiv> http://pastebin.com/fFaz1WV1
#4259 [22:58] <Kealper> the one that is broke
#4260 [22:58] <Kealper> do you see a level.dat.old?
#4261 [22:58] <blinky> Yes, I believe so.
#4262 [22:58] <ifish> Hi, I have a quick question abotu hosting my own servere
#4263 [22:59] <Kealper> delete level.dat and rename level.dat.old to level.dat
#4264 [22:59] <ifish> I have the client running. And it's all good. But how do I conenct to it?
#4265 [22:59] <Kealper> if the map still doesn't show up, then it's a goner
#4266 [22:59] <Kealper> ifish: is the server software running?
#4267 [22:59] <ifish> Yes :P
#4268 [23:00] <Kealper> test the connection by trying to join the server "localhost"
#4269 [23:00] <ifish> OK, will do!
#4270 [23:00] <GLaDOS> !check localhost
#4271 [23:00] <GLaDOS> lies
#4272 [23:00] <Kealper> lol
#4273 [23:00] <ifish> But they're not on the same PC, will it make a difference?
#4274 [23:00] <Kealper> oh
#4275 [23:01] <ifish> And what if my friends want ot join?
#4276 [23:01] <ifish> to*
#4277 [23:01] <Kealper> well then, do you know the machine's internal IP?
#4278 [23:01] <ifish> Nope. How can I check?
#4279 [23:01] <Kealper> and yes they can join if you set up the port forwarding in your router
#4280 [23:01] <ifish> ipconfig?
#4281 [23:01] <Kealper> well, are you on the server machine right now?
#4282 [23:01] <ifish> I'm on both
#4283 [23:01] <Kealper> open cmd on the server
#4284 [23:02] <ifish> Done
#4285 [23:02] <ifish> Type in "ipconfig"?
#4286 [23:02] <Kealper> yes
#4287 [23:02] <aetherian> yes
#4288 [23:02] <aetherian> argh
#4289 [23:02] <ifish> Done
#4290 [23:02] <aetherian> default gattway
#4291 [23:02] <Kealper> see one on that potential spam of stuff called Local Area Conenction?
#4292 [23:02] <ifish> Thank you :)
#4293 [23:02] <ifish> Now, how do I setup port forwarding?
#4294 [23:03] <Kealper> VoxelHead: stupid bot
#4295 [23:03] <VoxelHead> Kealper, I am a bot.
#4296 [23:03] <aetherian> voxelhead: no kidding
#4297 [23:03] <VoxelHead> aetherian, I am a bot.
#4298 [23:03] <Kealper> and a stupid one at that!
#4299 [23:03] <ifish> .__.
#4300 [23:03] <relsqui> XD
#4301 [23:03] <aetherian> VoxelHead: are you a bot?
#4302 [23:03] <VoxelHead> aetherian, I am a bot.
#4303 [23:03] <aetherian> a simple yes would do
#4304 [23:03] <Kealper> ifish: ok, so you can connect to the server with it's local ip address?
#4305 [23:03] <ifish> I'll test that now
#4306 [23:04] <ifish> Nopes
#4307 [23:04] <Kealper> did you touch server.properties?
#4308 [23:04] <ifish> I have no clue what that is :P
#4309 [23:04] <aetherian> I hate when people do that.
#4310 [23:04] <Kealper> so that'd be a now
#4311 [23:04] <Kealper> no*
#4312 [23:04] <ifish> Sorry for being a noob :/
#4313 [23:05] <Kealper> well, it's good that you didn't touch it, it means i don't have to tell you to un-touch it lol
#4314 [23:05] <ifish> Yay~
#4315 [23:05] <aetherian> haha
#4316 [23:05] <Kealper> what was the address that you tried connecting to?
#4317 [23:05] <theunleet> anyone ever seen slime on MC?
#4318 [23:05] <Kealper> theunleet: yes
#4319 [23:05] <ifish> 192.196.0.1
#4320 [23:05] <theunleet> baby slime xD
#4321 [23:05] <Kealper> that's the gateway, not the machine's IP
#4322 [23:06] <Kealper> go back into that ipconfig
#4323 [23:06] <aetherian> Kealper: ever play ZORK?
#4324 [23:06] <ifish> I'm stil lthere
#4325 [23:06] <ifish> still there*
#4326 [23:06] <Kealper> look for the line that says IPv4 Address
#4327 [23:06] <ifish> Oh, ok
#4328 [23:06] <Kealper> that will be it's ip
#4329 [23:06] <ifish> I'll try that
#4330 [23:06] <Kealper> aetherian: no
#4331 [23:06] <ifish> Thanks!
#4332 [23:06] <aetherian> Kealper: :O
#4333 [23:06] <nevercast> I have pet slime :D
#4334 [23:06] <aetherian> play it >:O
#4335 [23:06] <nevercast> aetherian :)
#4336 [23:06] <nevercast> aetherian, smp.nevercast.net
#4337 [23:06] <Kealper> but that name reminds me of Chex Quest
#4338 [23:06] <ifish> Loggin in
#4339 [23:07] <aetherian> Kealper: you've never heard of ZORK?
#4340 [23:07] <Kealper> like seriously... Chex Quest....best. game. ever.
#4341 [23:07] * aetherian facepalms
#4341 [23:07] <ifish> Kealper, thanks. It works
#4342 [23:07] <aetherian> kells, you should play it. now.
#4343 [23:07] <Kealper> ifish: how for the fun part
#4344 [23:07] <ifish> :P
#4345 [23:07] <Kealper> and by fun, i mean you will probably hate it every step of the way
#4346 [23:08] <ifish> Hahah
#4347 [23:08] <ifish> Probably
#4348 [23:08] <ifish> I'm anti-social. But I'm only doing this ot host it for a friend and I
#4349 [23:08] <Kealper> first....go to http://portforward.com and choose your router model
#4350 [23:08] <aetherian> Kealper: this part is the easy part o.o
#4351 [23:08] <nevercast> aetherian, and it is the fun part :D
#4352 [23:08] <Kealper> second, in the top right corner of that advertisement....click the Skip link
#4353 [23:08] <aetherian> :D
#4354 [23:08] <nevercast> aetherian, It's getting MC to work in the first place that is hard :P
#4355 [23:08] <nevercast> Spech with mods
#4356 [23:09] <Kealper> third, scroll about half way down, to the Ms...you'll see instructions for your router for Minecraft
#4357 [23:09] <aetherian> it was the fun part for me, I had to do some detailed guess work to find the password for the router
#4358 [23:09] <aetherian> after my dad screwed up at it
#4359 [23:09] <nevercast> aetherian, hahah :D
#4360 [23:09] <Kealper> and last, follow instructions
#4361 [23:09] <nevercast> The last instruction is follow instructions?
#4362 [23:09] <nevercast> LOL
#4363 [23:09] <xales> nevercast
#4364 [23:09] <nevercast> yes xales?
#4365 [23:09] <xales> the last instruction of those instructions
#4366 [23:09] <aetherian> heya xally
#4367 [23:09] <xales> is go back to step 1 of previous instructions
#4368 [23:10] <xales> :3
#4369 [23:10] <nevercast> xales, INFI-LOOP :D
#4370 [23:10] <aetherian> xales: is your name pronounced zales (I think it is) ex-ales, or ksales?
#4371 [23:10] <nevercast> xales, come see my small town :D
#4372 [23:10] <nevercast> It's rather friendly :D
#4373 [23:10] <Kealper> zales
#4374 [23:10] <aetherian> thought so
#4375 [23:10] <nevercast> I've been saying ex-ales
#4376 [23:10] <Kealper> x almost always makes a z sound
#4377 [23:10] <aetherian> then xally is pronounced just like sally, but with a z
#4378 [23:11] <aetherian> :D
#4379 [23:11] <xales> nevercast: busy =/
#4380 [23:11] <nevercast> :D
#4381 [23:11] <nevercast> awh :(
#4382 [23:11] <nevercast> another time?
#4383 [23:11] <ifish> Kealper, will closing the program end my hosting?
#4384 [23:12] <ifish> Since I just realized; I have bandwith limits D:
#4385 [23:12] <Kealper> ifish: yes, the server software must remain running to have the server up
#4386 [23:12] <ifish> Okay, good. Thanks! :D
#4387 [23:12] <Kealper> and it also only uses bandwidth when people are on it
#4388 [23:12] <ifish> I closed it since I'm paranoid :P
#4389 [23:12] <Kealper> and you being on it will not use bandwidth, only other people will
#4390 [23:13] <ifish> For some reason, I think my server isn't powerful to hold two people
#4391 [23:13] <Kealper> if you wanted to have it running, but only want it so your friends can get on and play whenever (so you don't waste bandwidth) you can open that dreaded server.properties and enable the whitelist
#4392 [23:13] <Kealper> ifish: what's it's specs?
#4393 [23:14] <Kealper> its*
#4394 [23:14] <Kealper> holy crap a ton of sirens going down the road just now
#4395 [23:14] <GreyVulpine> It's detroit?
#4396 [23:14] <ifish> Um... 1GB of of RAM
#4397 [23:14] <ifish> And a 3.00GHz single core CPU
#4398 [23:14] <ifish> Intel Pentium 4
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#4400 [23:14] <Kealper> grey i'm not in detroit, i'm about 60 miles out of it
#4401 [23:15] <Adju> hello, can monsters spawn in an area that is lighted by redstone torches?
#4402 [23:15] <Kealper> in a sleepy little town at the water's edge :o
#4403 [23:15] <blinky> kealper: I'm back, it didn't work. Which pisses me off since I had just started what would have been a rather epic cliff-face castle.
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#4405 [23:15] <xales> Adju: no, but they give off less light, so less area is protected
#4406 [23:15] <Kealper> ifish: that'll probably hold a few people
#4407 [23:15] <ifish> Oh, good
#4408 [23:15] <nevercast> aetherian, :)
#4409 [23:15] <nevercast> aetherian, Care to play some MC?
#4410 [23:15] <Kealper> could probably do up to 5 if you guys don't run off in every direction for miles
#4411 [23:16] <aetherian> how. about. a. nice. game. of. chess?
#4412 [23:16] <ifish> Without lag? :P
#4413 [23:16] <aetherian> no.
#4414 [23:16] <Kealper> without-ish...lol
#4415 [23:16] <nevercast> :D
#4416 [23:16] <Silent_Samurai|Phone> Adju, there is a mod that tells you where mobs can spawn.
#4417 [23:16] <aetherian> global thermonuclear minecraft.
#4418 [23:16] <ifish> I often run off for miles :x
#4419 [23:16] <nevercast> It really depends where people are
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#4421 [23:16] <nevercast> I can support like 10 people at spawn
#4422 [23:16] <nevercast> spread out
#4423 [23:16] <nevercast> it drops to like, 6
#4424 [23:17] <ifish> Kealper, sorry if its been hard to work with me. :P
#4425 [23:17] <aetherian> what was the ip?
#4426 [23:17] <ifish> I'm still new to this
#4427 [23:17] <Kealper> i totally forgot what blinky's problem was lol
#4428 [23:17] <nevercast> aetherian, of mine?
#4429 [23:17] <aetherian> no, the other guy who doesn't exist's.
#4430 [23:17] <aetherian> @_@
#4431 [23:17] <nevercast> aetherian, smp.nevercast.net
#4432 [23:17] <Kealper> ifish: you are far easier to tell stuff to than 60% of the people who come here >.>
#4433 [23:17] <ifish> Woo hoo
#4434 [23:18] <ifish> And I type properly too! haha
#4435 [23:18] <Kealper> ya lost of dem type liek dis
#4436 [23:18] <ifish> u cna undurstand dis?
#4437 [23:18] <ifish> :3
#4438 [23:18] <Silent_Samurai|Phone> Lol
#4439 [23:18] * Kealper dies a little inside
#4439 [23:18] <ifish> Hehe
#4440 [23:18] <ifish> Sorry
#4441 [23:19] <ifish> I only bought Minecraft last night
#4442 [23:19] <ifish> On hope that I'd like it
#4443 [23:19] <Kealper> lol
#4444 [23:20] <ifish> Wait, you're an OP here. Have you ever spoke to notch?
#4445 [23:20] <relsqui> (fwiw, op is not an acronym)
#4446 [23:20] <ifish> I know
#4447 [23:20] <ifish> Techinally, it means opperator
#4448 [23:20] <Kealper> yes, although i can't say where
#4449 [23:20] <ifish> I wasn't going to ask ;)
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#4451 [23:20] <Kealper> he's quite humble :o
#4452 [23:21] <ifish> I hate developers with a huge ego
#4453 [23:21] <relsqui> yeah, I get the impression he's the "oh god just treat me like a normal person" type
#4454 [23:21] <ifish> "herp derp I'm too good to talk to you"
#4455 [23:21] <ifish> Yeah, notch seems cool
#4456 [23:22] <Kealper> relsqui: pretty much all of mojang are like that, they would much rather you just talked to them like a friend instead of someone you worship lol
#4457 [23:22] <relsqui> yeah
#4458 [23:22] <relsqui> I have a friend who is fairly internet famous and the same way
#4459 [23:22] <ifish> OH GOD YOU MADE MINE CRAFT! *licks shoes*
#4460 [23:22] <relsqui> to the point of retreating from the public eye a bit
#4461 [23:22] <ifish> I'm sorta big in the iOS scene. But not that big
#4462 [23:22] <Kealper> oh man, people would do that all the time to Notch when he came on irc...annoying as heck lol
#4463 [23:22] <relsqui> yeah
#4464 [23:22] <relsqui> it happens occasionally in #xkcd
#4465 [23:23] <relsqui> but usually breaks down when the admirer realizes that they actually need to have something to say in order to have a conversation
#4466 [23:23] <relsqui> something beyond "omg u r randall"
#4467 [23:23] <Kealper> lol
#4468 [23:23] <ifish> Kealper, any idea how much bandwidth minecraft would take with just 3 people for like a little while? I know it varies, but like WORST CASE SCENARIO
#4469 [23:24] <ifish> More than 5GB? :P
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#4471 [23:24] <Kealper> ifish: well, depends what you mean by bandwidth...are you on like a monthly transfer cap or just slow internet?
#4472 [23:24] <ifish> Monthly transfer cap
#4473 [23:24] <ifish> I have 70GB a month
#4474 [23:24] <ifish> Which I always go over >___<
#4475 [23:24] <Kealper> yeah, i doubt it would touch that cap...lol
#4476 [23:25] <Zuty> Hi, for the server options thingy if I make the server ip line the ip I find at 'What is my IP.com' will that chance anything?
#4477 [23:25] <ifish> Yeah, but I do a lot of Steam game downlaods and stuff
#4478 [23:25] <Kealper> Zuty: that will just break it
#4479 [23:25] <Zuty> So I just leave it blank?
#4480 [23:25] <Kealper> correct
#4481 [23:25] <Zuty> Okay, when would I ever put something there?
#4482 [23:26] <Kealper> that is only needed if you are using a dedicated server that has multiple network cards and stuff
#4483 [23:26] <Kealper> for the average joe, leaving it blank works fine
#4484 [23:26] * GreyVulpine hugs xales
#4484 [23:26] <Kealper> O.o
#4485 [23:26] <Zuty> Okay, ty
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#4487 [23:26] <Kealper> no kicks or baps? weird
#4488 [23:26] <GreyVulpine> Thanks, those delay blocks worked great, just needed to think abou them for a sec
#4489 [23:26] <ifish> I'll be right back.
#4490 [23:26] <xales> GreyVulpine: heh, no problem
#4491 [23:27] <Kealper> lol
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#4493 [23:27] <rooshandark8> hey
#4494 [23:27] <rooshandark8> i need some help
#4495 [23:27] <GreyVulpine> With?
#4496 [23:27] <Kealper> "try that thing that i have no idea what it does" "oh those? those are just delay stuff"..."hey, it worked!"
#4497 [23:27] <rooshandark8> minecraft
#4498 [23:27] <Kealper> ya think?
#4499 [23:27] <rooshandark8> i need to get my emailed changed
#4500 [23:27] <GreyVulpine> :P
#4501 [23:27] <Kealper> can't be done right now
#4502 [23:27] <Kealper> but you could give it a shot
#4503 [23:28] <GreyVulpine> Well, I needed to make a circuit in parallel with delay blocks.
#4504 [23:28] <GreyVulpine> Just didn't know it could actually work
#4505 [23:28] <Kealper> email support@mojang.com and tell them your account name and what your email should be changed to....they might do it
#4506 [23:28] <ifish> Back. Kealper, another quick question
#4507 [23:28] <GreyVulpine> One goes instantly to the door, getting it open, the one in parallel waits 8 ticks or so, and continuously maintains the signal for just a moment longer
#4508 [23:29] <ifish> The server i said the specs to you; could that PC run minecraft?
#4509 [23:29] <Kealper> ifish: wait, did you ninja the port forwarding already? lol
#4510 [23:29] <ifish> Huh? :P
#4511 [23:29] <Kealper> did you already do the stuff at portforward.com?
#4512 [23:29] <ifish> Oh....No wonder my friend couldn;pt cnnect
#4513 [23:29] <Kealper> lol
#4514 [23:30] <ifish> So, how do I do that? :P
#4515 [23:30] <rooshandark8> imma email em
#4516 [23:30] <Kealper> go to http://portforward.com and look for your router's model there
#4517 [23:31] <Kealper> click it, it will probably go to a page saying "hey! waste your cash on this useless tool we made!"....just click the skip link in the top right corner
#4518 [23:31] <ifish> Done
#4519 [23:32] <Kealper> once you do that, you will be at a huge list of stuff, scroll half way down to where you see the Ms....find Minecraft and click it
#4520 [23:32] <ifish> Will do it on my server. One sec
#4521 [23:32] <ifish> Sorry for being slow, I'm eating
#4522 [23:32] <Kealper> follow the instructions on there (don't download any tools from there, we have customized ones for you right in this irc channel)
#4523 [23:33] <Kealper> and it does not matter what machine you do it on for port forwarding
#4524 [23:33] <ifish> Oh...
#4525 [23:33] <Kealper> just has to be a computer that is on your network
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#4527 [23:35] <ifish> I'm confused. Can you be bothered to TeamView and help me? Sorry :M
#4528 [23:35] <ifish> :<*
#4529 [23:35] <ifish> You can feel free to say no
#4530 [23:36] <Kealper> i guess i could.....
#4531 [23:36] <Kealper> lol
#4532 [23:36] <Kealper> lemme get some music going first
#4533 [23:36] <ifish> Thanks mate. I'll go download TamViewer :P
#4534 [23:37] <ifish> If I put my music on, you won't hear it, right?
#4535 [23:37] <xales> hey GLaDOS
#4536 [23:37] <xales> Kealper wants to know how old you are
#4537 [23:37] <xales> :)
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#4539 [23:37] <Kealper> yeah....i can't properly stalk you if i don't know if you are legal >.>
#4540 [23:37] <Kealper> ifish: i don't think so....
#4541 [23:38] <ifish> Good. Since I doubt you'll enjoy my taste :P
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#4543 [23:38] <Kealper> depends....if it's rap or rnb....then i'll hate the crap out of it lol
#4544 [23:38] <ifish> Nah
#4545 [23:39] <ifish> It's Owl City :P
#4546 [23:39] <ifish> And the Bravery
#4547 [23:39] <Kealper> oh...those are meh
#4548 [23:39] <ifish> TeamViewer is all setup
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#4550 [23:39] <ifish> Shall I DM you the info?
#4551 [23:39] <ifish> PM*
#4552 [23:39] <Kealper> pm me your stuff
#4553 [23:39] <Kealper> yeah
#4554 [23:47] <Coll> hello I need to wire up double doors to open up using two different switches
#4555 [23:47] <Coll> but they need to open or close regardless of what ever position the other switch is in
#4556 [23:47] <xales> not sure if there is a way to do that
#4557 [23:47] <xales> ask Kealper
#4558 [23:47] <GreyVulpine> I had a hell of a time with coll's setup, just not enough space to do it in
#4559 [23:48] <Coll> grey
#4560 [23:48] <Coll> I got
#4561 [23:48] <xales> oh hi GreyVulpine
#4562 [23:48] <xales> you should talk more so I know you are around and can defer help to you =/
#4563 [23:48] <Coll> it's ready to go grey
#4564 [23:48] <Coll> I just need the gates
#4565 [23:48] <GreyVulpine> >.>
#4566 [23:48] * GreyVulpine hides behind xales.
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#4567 [23:48] <Coll> :<
#4568 [23:48] <GreyVulpine> I've been busy with my own projects on Kealper's server
#4569 [23:49] <Coll> well do you know what gates to use
#4570 [23:49] <Coll> it would help
#4571 [23:49] <Kealper> rawr
#4572 [23:49] <ifish> !check
#4573 [23:50] <Coll> Kealper
#4574 [23:50] <Kealper> Coll: NOR gate iirc
#4575 [23:50] <ifish> I hate you AuBot >:(
#4576 [23:50] <Coll> you know redstone
#4577 [23:50] <Coll> help me
#4578 [23:50] <Coll> uh
#4579 [23:50] <Coll> I thought about a nor
#4580 [23:50] <Kealper> busy right now :/
#4581 [23:50] <Coll> I doubt that would work
#4582 [23:50] <GreyVulpine> Okay, you want two switches, on either side, the inside one would open and close at will, while the other one would only open while the inside switch is currently on?
#4583 [23:50] <Kealper> 95% sure a NOR is waht you want
#4584 [23:50] <Kealper> what*
#4585 [23:50] <Coll> no both switches should be able to open both doors
#4586 [23:51] <Coll> regardless of the others position
#4587 [23:51] <Coll> I have the both doors setup
#4588 [23:51] <Coll> now the opening part
#4589 [23:52] <GreyVulpine> Then just a simple OR gate should be all you need...
#4590 [23:52] <Kealper> yeah...pretty sure a NOR gate is what does that
#4591 [23:52] <GreyVulpine> Both are in the off state, doors are closed
#4592 [23:52] <Kealper> no, it;s more complex than an IR
#4593 [23:52] <Kealper> OR*
#4594 [23:52] <GreyVulpine> Either are switched on, the doors open
#4595 [23:52] <xales> Kealper, not really
#4596 [23:52] <GreyVulpine> Both are switched on, doors open
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#4598 [23:52] <Kealper> he wants it so any switch can open the door....without having totouch the other switch
#4599 [23:53] <xales> an OR is
#4600 [23:53] <xales> 1 1 1
#4601 [23:53] <xales> 0 1 1
#4602 [23:53] <xales> 1 0 1
#4603 [23:53] <xales> 0 0 0
#4604 [23:53] <xales> so
#4605 [23:53] <xales> that should work
#4606 [23:53] <Avox49> !check
#4607 [23:53] <Kealper> ??> Avox49 dontpm
#4608 [23:53] <Kealper> oh
#4609 [23:53] <Coll> nope xales
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#4611 [23:53] <Kealper> wait...
#4612 [23:53] <Avox49> Kealper, it's me ifish
#4613 [23:53] <xales> it's irc/dontpm
#4614 [23:53] <Kealper> xD
#4615 [23:53] <Coll> cause that would require the other switch to be turned off
#4616 [23:53] <Coll> which we cant if it is on the other side
#4617 [23:53] <Kealper> xales: i hate VoxelHead
#4618 [23:53] <Coll> 1 1 open doors
#4619 [23:53] <Coll> 1 0 open
#4620 [23:54] <Avox49> Kealper, my network had to restart and ifish is still here. I'll ghost him
#4621 [23:54] <Coll> only way to close them wold to have them both off
#4622 [23:54] <Coll> :/
#4623 [23:54] <Coll> hmm
#4624 [23:54] <Coll> 1 0 1
#4625 [23:54] <Coll> 0 1 1
#4626 [23:54] <Coll> 0 0 0
#4627 [23:54] <Coll> 1 1 0
#4628 [23:54] <ifish> Kealper, may I continue our talk in the PM?
#4629 [23:54] <Coll> something like that
#4630 [23:54] <xales> that's XOR
#4631 [23:55] <xales> not OR
#4632 [23:55] <Kealper> Coll: XOR is what you wwant
#4633 [23:55] <Coll> ill try XOR
#4634 [23:55] <Kealper> dangit xales
#4635 [23:55] <Kealper> ifish: indeed
#4636 [23:55] <Coll> damit
#4637 [23:55] <Coll> it is so big
#4638 [23:55] <ifish> That's what she said
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