#1 [00:00] <aetherian> wut.rar
#2 [00:00] <AndrewPH> ....
#3 [00:00] <AndrewPH> idonteven.tga
#4 [00:00] <Kealper> anywho....got sshd running as a daemon on startup....moved my butt into my room where it's warm...time to ssh to this beast and finish setup
#5 [00:00] <aetherian> err.tar.gz
#6 [00:01] <aetherian> xales: I'll take three
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#12 [00:31] <Azerk> Hi
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#20 [00:44] <Kealper> many an internet was won on April 1st, 1998
#21 [00:44] <Kealper> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper_Text_Coffee_Pot_Control_Protocol
#22 [00:45] <GreyVulpine> O.o
#23 [00:45] <GreyVulpine> !wiki Hyper_Text_Coffee_Pot_Control_Protocol
#24 [00:45] <GreyBot> Wikipedia Found: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper_Text_Coffee_Pot_Control_Protocol
#25 [00:45] <GreyBot> The Hyper Text Coffee Pot Control Protocol (HTCPCP for short) is a protocol for controlling, monitoring, and diagnosing coffee pots.
#26 [00:45] <Aska990> O.o
#27 [00:46] <Kealper> note the date i said it was released on
#28 [00:47] <Kealper> i love the HTTP response code 418
#29 [00:47] <xolotl> Kealper: Yeah, quite pleasant
#30 [00:47] <Kealper> 418 I'm a teapot
#31 [00:48] <Kealper> seriously....why DON'T we have HTCPCP-enabled coffeepots? that'd be so awesome
#32 [00:50] <Aska990> +1
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#34 [00:54] <chippy257> o.o
#35 [00:54] <xales> ?
#36 [00:54] <chippy257> hi :D
#37 [00:55] <xales> hi
#38 [00:55] <chippy257> can't seem to get the minecraft chat working, something with my registration.
#39 [00:56] <Arg_Ad_inf> Does somebody know how to get biometerrainmod working on SMP?
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#41 [00:56] <chippy257> o.o...
#42 [00:56] <xales> ??> chippy257 irc
#43 [00:56] <VoxelHead> chippy257: (irc) For IRC help, you should ask in the channel #help - you can get there using the command "/join #help"
#44 [00:56] <VoxelHead> chippy257: (irc) If you can't talk in #minecraft ("Cannot send to channel") you must register your IRC nickname, using the command "/msg NickServ REGISTER password email". Remember to use a valid email. Go to #help if you need further assistance with this
#45 [00:57] <xales> ??> Arg_Ad_inf mods
#46 [00:57] <VoxelHead> Arg_Ad_inf: (mods) This channel is not a venue for support with third-party mods. For assistance with Bukkit, check #Bukkit
#47 [00:57] <VoxelHead> Arg_Ad_inf: (mods) You will find a lot of information here: http://tiny.cc/gentle-mod-install-tut Also, for forther assistance with many other mods, check #RisuCraft - mod help here is more likely once the official API is revealed.
#48 [00:57] <Arg_Ad_inf> Okay, thank you
#49 [00:57] <chippy257> thx lol
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#52 [01:03] <Aska990> what is the minimum bandwith required to host a SMP servers with two players, including one player on the same computer than the server ?
#53 [01:04] <Aska990> (sorry if the english is not faultless)
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#56 [01:05] <xales> Ideally at least 1MByte/s
#57 [01:05] <xales> 0.5 should work though
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#59 [01:05] <xales> (this is upload, not download)
#60 [01:05] <xales> http://canihostaminecraftserver.com/
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#63 [01:06] <Aska990> because my friend has a very good computer, with 6 Go RAM DDR3, i7 CPU, all that stuff
#64 [01:06] <Aska990> we have a 2 mb/s bandwith between us
#65 [01:06] <xales> The best thing to do is to try
#66 [01:07] <Aska990> 8 ms latency when I use the "ping" command with his IP
#67 [01:07] <Aska990> and his server is totally unplayable
#68 [01:08] <Aska990> something like 20 s of lag
#69 [01:08] <xales> http://speedtest.net/ run it and post the result link here
#70 [01:10] <Aska990> in fact, me and my Friend both live in New Caledonia
#71 [01:10] <Aska990> we don not have the same connexion with a server outside and inside our country
#72 [01:11] <xales> The difference would not be very big
#73 [01:11] <Aska990> not, in fact
#74 [01:12] <Aska990> we both got about 36 ms latency, 1.8 down and 0.5 up with Sydney
#75 [01:14] <Aska990> sometimes i have about 300 ms latency on his SMP
#76 [01:15] <Aska990> that seems too much to me
#77 [01:15] <Aska990> but it's playable
#78 [01:16] <Aska990> but often, it is not
#79 [01:18] <xales> It sounds like the Internet connection, then
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#81 [01:20] <Aska990> his upload speed, maybe
#82 [01:20] <BamnAngel> help, someone. anybody :(
#83 [01:20] <xales> BamnAngel: With?
#84 [01:20] <Aska990> because there is a public Minecraft server in New Caledonia
#85 [01:21] <Aska990> hosted by an ISP
#86 [01:21] <Aska990> ad it works fine
#87 [01:21] <Aska990> *and
#88 [01:21] <BamnAngel> i bought minecraft over paypal a few days ago
#89 [01:21] <BamnAngel> and up till now im having this java connection error
#90 [01:21] <BamnAngel> i keep timing out
#91 [01:22] <xales> When do you get the error?
#92 [01:22] <BamnAngel> since 3 days ago
#93 [01:22] <BamnAngel> its like
#94 [01:22] <BamnAngel> i could log into a server fine
#95 [01:22] <BamnAngel> but it only loads
#96 [01:23] <BamnAngel> an extremely tiny portion of the area map
#97 [01:23] <BamnAngel> and none of my actions get registered
#98 [01:23] <BamnAngel> then i get flushed out of the server
#99 [01:23] <Aska990> hey I have the same problem
#100 [01:24] <BamnAngel> really?
#101 [01:24] <BamnAngel> cuz apparently
#102 [01:24] <xales> BamnAngel: http://speedtest.net/ run test, paste link here
#103 [01:24] <BamnAngel> thousands have that same prob as well
#104 [01:24] <Aska990> I was about to tall you about it
#105 [01:24] <Aska990> *tell
#106 [01:24] <xales> It's not a magical problem. It's a problem with your computer, your Internet connection, or the server you are connecting to
#107 [01:25] <Aska990> my friend, who I was talking you about
#108 [01:25] <Aska990> can log and play fine on any public server
#109 [01:25] <Aska990> but when I try, I have the same problem than BamnAngel
#110 [01:26] <BamnAngel> im pinging at 55ms , 0.91mbp/s download speed , 0.34 mbp/s upload speed
#111 [01:26] <BamnAngel> for speed test
#112 [01:27] <xales> BamnAngel: That's your connection, then
#113 [01:27] <GreyVulpine> Ouch, .34 megabits?
#114 [01:27] <BamnAngel> oh hi grey
#115 [01:27] <BamnAngel> yeah im having that same prob again
#116 [01:27] <GreyVulpine> 'lo
#117 [01:27] <BamnAngel> ;s
#118 [01:28] <BamnAngel> on rare occasions i can stay connected on minecraft servers fine
#119 [01:28] <BamnAngel> but most of the time i cant
#120 [01:30] <BamnAngel> right now, i ahve half a mind to ask for a refund
#121 [01:30] <BamnAngel> have*
#122 [01:34] <Aska990> just for the singleplayer, I don't regret having bought it
#123 [01:34] <Aska990> but I'm disappointed that I can't play on public or private servers
#124 [01:34] <Zemedelphos> If you have trouble connecting to a player's server, it's not notch's fault, it's the connection's.
#125 [01:34] <xales> ^
#126 [01:36] <Aska990> yes, probably, but it's strange that my friend, who have the same connection than me (but not the same ISP), and almost the same location, can log in any public server and not me :/
#127 [01:36] <BamnAngel> well it cant be my connection, when i can play every other online game smoothly
#128 [01:37] <xales> BamnAngel: Every other game is not Minecraft
#129 [01:37] <xales> Minecraft uses more traffic than almost every other game
#130 [01:37] <Zemedelphos> If he has a different ISP, how's he have the same connection.
#131 [01:37] <Zemedelphos> By the connection, I don't mean your router, I mean the path the data takes between your computer and the destination server.
#132 [01:37] <Aska990> same width of connection, I mean
#133 [01:38] <Zemedelphos> Okay, well that isn't what I meant.
#134 [01:38] <BamnAngel> and if packet loss has anything to do with this
#135 [01:38] <BamnAngel> i doubt even my isp
#136 [01:38] <BamnAngel> wuld do anything to fix it
#137 [01:38] <BamnAngel> would*
#138 [01:39] <Zemedelphos> Somewhere between point A, you, and point Z, the servers you're trying to connect to, there's a problem.
#139 [01:39] <xales> BamnAngel: It's not packet loss, it's just raw connection speed, as I have said.
#140 [01:39] <BamnAngel> so what?
#141 [01:39] <BamnAngel> get a new connection?
#142 [01:39] <xales> Don't blame a game for not working when it isn't the game's fault?
#143 [01:40] <BamnAngel> look im srry, its just that i paid over 60+ in my currency for this game
#144 [01:40] <BamnAngel> only to be welcomed by this prob
#145 [01:40] <BamnAngel> first-hand
#146 [01:40] <BamnAngel> not even mojang is replying my emails
#147 [01:40] <xales> They don't provide any support beyond billing/account
#148 [01:40] <Zemedelphos> Mojang is like, 7 guys. They get a lot of email.
#149 [01:41] <Zemedelphos> And 2) this isn't their fault.
#150 [01:41] <xales> ^
#151 [01:41] <BamnAngel> i didnt say its completely their fault now did i?
#152 [01:42] <xales> That is what you are saying, yes
#153 [01:42] <xales> If you can't play multiplayer, because you don't meet the requirements for the game, then play singleplayer
#154 [01:42] <Zemedelphos> How much fault you belive lies with them is irrelevant.
#155 [01:42] <BamnAngel> look i know
#156 [01:42] <BamnAngel> the net is bloody huge
#157 [01:42] <xales> If you bought it only to play multiplayer, that is your fault for purchasing it without investigating if you could play it
#158 [01:42] <BamnAngel> the cause could be anywhere
#159 [01:43] <xales> It is, in fact, your ISP/connection that is the problem
#160 [01:43] <xales> It has nothing to do with the Minecraft developers.
#161 [01:43] <BamnAngel> sigh...thats what im afraid of
#162 [01:43] <dahlgren> And what are the requirements, specifically if I may ask? Where are they written so purchasers can see them w/o going to forums and IRC channels or twitter?
#163 [01:43] <Zemedelphos> Sometimes, I have connecting to anything on the internet.
#164 [01:43] <Zemedelphos> trouble*
#165 [01:43] <BamnAngel> and xale
#166 [01:43] <Zemedelphos> I just reset the DSL modem, sometimes it fixes.
#167 [01:43] <BamnAngel> exactly HOW do we invetigate if we could play it?
#168 [01:43] <Zemedelphos> If not, I call my ISP and they reset it.
#169 [01:43] <xales> dahlgren: They aren't hard to find :)
#170 [01:43] <BamnAngel> investigate*
#171 [01:44] <xales> BamnAngel: Google, looking on forum, wiki
#172 [01:44] <GreyVulpine> Minecraft isn't even finished, it's constantly updated, changed, fixed, features added, removed, tweaked. Not even the base code is finished, do you really expect a firm list of system requirements?
#173 [01:44] <dahlgren> that's just not true. tell me what other program you have to research on various media forms before buying? Yes, I do, at least a min req. they know that for darn sure.
#174 [01:44] <xales> It's like saying, "I bought my new smartphone but it doesn't work because my carrier doesn't support it. This wasn't on the box for the phone."
#175 [01:44] <Zemedelphos> Vulpine, the problem here lies in connection.
#176 [01:45] <xales> dahlgren: Those are also released, finished programs :)
#177 [01:45] <GreyVulpine> dahlgren - Name me a beta program that has released program requirements
#178 [01:45] <BamnAngel> right now
#179 [01:45] <BamnAngel> only zem makes the most sense to me
#180 [01:45] <GreyVulpine> Hell, name me a beta program that isn't even feature complete, that's out with computer requirements
#181 [01:45] <dahlgren> you really think this is all going to change when they come out from under their protective Beta blanket? not.
#182 [01:45] <Zemedelphos> It can, dahl
#183 [01:46] <GreyVulpine> You don't know that, I don't know that, you just want an excuse to bash the game some more
#184 [01:46] <dahlgren> get used to it. this is Minecraft. high bandwidth, high computer requirements, very little actual technical support.
#185 [01:46] <dahlgren> bash the game?
#186 [01:47] <dahlgren> no, just dealing with reality w/o apologizing for a company that is not taking care of their customers.
#187 [01:47] <dahlgren> i run a server and have enjoyed MC for quite a few months.
#188 [01:47] <Zemedelphos> very little actual technical support. < Yes, because Mojang are masters of the internet, and can untangle that kink for you.
#189 [01:48] <dahlgren> but i don't turn a blind eye on their faults.
#190 [01:48] <Aska990> So, I just would like to know, is 0.5 mb/s upload speed not enough for a SMP server ? : (
#191 [01:48] <Zemedelphos> We aren't either.
#192 [01:48] <GreyVulpine> Neither do we
#193 [01:48] <Zemedelphos> The game just has a great excuse for bugs and faults.
#194 [01:48] <dahlgren> you don't have to be masters to take care of your customers.
#195 [01:48] <Zemedelphos> It's in fucking beta.
#196 [01:48] <BamnAngel> im in no position to point who or what is at fault here
#197 [01:48] <Zemedelphos> dahl: you do have the be the masters of the internet to find out why your ISP is so shitty at sending your data, though.
#198 [01:48] <BamnAngel> but i just feel that we seriously need more support
#199 [01:48] <BamnAngel> on this
#200 [01:49] <xales> BamnAngel: All they would do is tell you the same thing we are
#201 [01:49] <dahlgren> oh, the Beta flag has been raised. a, the connection is the fault, anything but Minecraft
#202 [01:49] <Zemedelphos> In all likelyhood, Bamn, it's the fault of your ISP, or the server's ISP
#203 [01:49] <dahlgren> come on. juesus
#204 [01:49] <BamnAngel> sigh agreed
#205 [01:49] <BamnAngel> guess ill hog my isp then
#206 [01:49] <BamnAngel> if that doesnt solve anything
#207 [01:49] <Zemedelphos> Yes, because one game has the power to fuck up the entirety of the internet dahl. Think before you lay the blame on something.
#208 [01:49] <GreyVulpine> When you bought Minecraft, you did read the disclaimer?\
#209 [01:50] <GreyVulpine> Lemme quote: "Please note that when you buy the game, you're paying for the game as it is right now!"
#210 [01:50] <dahlgren> i'm a network engineer at an ISP. i've done packet analysis on the Minecraft flow.
#211 [01:50] <BamnAngel> yes i know
#212 [01:50] <BamnAngel> i paid for an unifished and ongoing game
#213 [01:50] <dahlgren> there are times it is a connection problem, absolutely.
#214 [01:50] <Zemedelphos> Appeal to Authority.
#215 [01:50] <dahlgren> well, there is a
#216 [01:50] <BamnAngel> unfinished*
#217 [01:50] <Zemedelphos> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority
#218 [01:51] <GreyVulpine> The netcode for minecraft isn't the best multiplayer code, I'll give you that, but that doesn't mean it won't get better
#219 [01:51] <xales> dahlgren: So, if your connection speed is not fast enough to deal with how much data Minecraft sends, then the problem clearly is the game itself? That makes sense
#220 [01:51] <dahlgren> Warrantly of Merchantability which states that when you charge for anything you are required to deliver regardless of any waivers you have on your site.
#221 [01:51] <xales> dahlgren: What has failed to be delivered, exactly?
#222 [01:51] <Zemedelphos> Exactly. They charged for the game as it was, right now.
#223 [01:51] <Zemedelphos> They delivered that, PLUS updates.
#224 [01:51] <xales> ^
#225 [01:52] <dahlgren> if any program is such a bandwidth hog that it requires bandwidth hugely higher than any other game then it needs optimization, yes.
#226 [01:52] <Zemedelphos> Q. E. D. Warranty of Merchantability met.
#227 [01:52] <BamnAngel> dahl has a good point
#228 [01:52] <xales> dahlgren: Optimization is not exactly high on the priority list. The game is in beta. It's not even feature-complete
#229 [01:52] <xales> Regardless.
#230 [01:52] <dahlgren> no, it is not. and if i wasn't a network engineer you'd probably say, well, that's an argument from ignorance. hahahah
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#232 [01:53] <BamnAngel> i guess its either help find a cure
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#234 [01:53] <xales> This is getting old. Enough of this.
#235 [01:53] <BamnAngel> or wait
#236 [01:53] <BamnAngel> for future updates
#237 [01:53] <dahlgren> forget the features. get it working for the thousands that paid and can't play then put the pet dogs in.
#238 [01:53] <fogWork> Hnnngh, xales, I has problams
#239 [01:53] <Zemedelphos> Because people who have a job doing something can never be wrong, right dahl?
#240 [01:53] <fogWork> Please go to my house and start teamviewer :P
#241 [01:53] <xales> fogWork: Pay airfare, a $15000 bonus, and provide food, and I'd be happy to
#242 [01:54] <dahlgren> uh, what? people, including Notch, do make mistakes. of course.
#243 [01:54] <Zemedelphos> Provide me food too, or xales isn't going.
#244 [01:54] <fogWork> Derp, I wouldn't get rid of you afterwards, would I, xales? ;)
#245 [01:54] <xales> fogWork: :)
#246 [01:54] <dahlgren> just get tired of the Notchites defending him like he's jesus christ and turning a blind eye to the games faults.
#247 [01:54] <xales> dahlgren: As I said, if you want to whine and complain, do it elsewhere.
#248 [01:54] <Zemedelphos> Well, at least no one's turned a blind eye to it's faults yet, huh?
#249 [01:55] <dahlgren> you say whine, i say deal with reality. if you want to live in your bubble then go fo rit.
#250 [01:55] <GreyVulpine> We're here, providing help with our own free time. We don't ask for a penny here.
#251 [01:55] <fogWork> I wonder what kind of dog he will be adding
#252 [01:55] <GreyVulpine> We're not associated with Mojang. Notch doesn't look to us for anything
#253 [01:55] <BamnAngel> in any case
#254 [01:55] <BamnAngel> thx for the effort ppl
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#256 [01:55] <fogWork> Pug? Dobermann? Poodle? :P
#257 [01:55] <Zemedelphos> There's a difference between whining and ealing with reality. Whining comprises of ignoring other facts to try to be right. Dealing with it is weighing everything together and getting over it.
#258 [01:55] <GreyVulpine> If you want to complain, do it to somebody who can give 2 cents
#259 [01:55] <dahlgren> okay, and support is telling people that it can't possibly be anything to do with the game, it has to be isp, cpu,ram etc??
#260 [01:56] <Zemedelphos> It's the connection.
#261 [01:56] <Zemedelphos> If it was the game, why would his friend be connecting? It's the same game.
#262 [01:56] <Zemedelphos> ^
#263 [01:56] <Zemedelphos> :P
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#265 [01:56] <xales> :P
#266 [01:56] <dagoroth> how do i register my account
#267 [01:56] <dahlgren> quit blowing smoke up people's skirts then. yeah, it is the connection or the cpu or the ram or java or / / / anything but Notch. i waste my time here.
#268 [01:57] <GreyVulpine> Then please leave.
#269 [01:57] <dahlgren> nah
#270 [01:57] <xales> ??> dagoroth irc
#271 [01:57] <VoxelHead> dagoroth: (irc) For IRC help, you should ask in the channel #help - you can get there using the command "/join #help"
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#273 [01:57] <VoxelHead> dagoroth: (irc) If you can't talk in #minecraft ("Cannot send to channel") you must register your IRC nickname, using the command "/msg NickServ REGISTER password email". Remember to use a valid email. Go to #help if you need further assistance with this
#274 [01:57] * xales kicked dahlgren from #MineCraftHelp (Reason: I'll help you leave then)
#275 [01:57] <fogWork> :|
#276 [01:57] <BamnAngel> srry, i think i was the one starting this issue
#277 [01:57] <Zemedelphos> He's not even listening.
#278 [01:57] <BamnAngel> lol
#279 [01:57] <aetherian> whoa
#280 [01:57] <BamnAngel> bringing my problem
#281 [01:57] <Zemedelphos> He's just grabbing at EVERY CHANCE to Notchbash.
#282 [01:57] <xales> BamnAngel: Not your fault, you had no intention to do that
#283 [01:57] <GreyVulpine> Really, don't worry about it
#284 [01:57] <Zemedelphos> Don't blame yourself for the idiots of the world.
#285 [01:58] <aetherian> unless you want to
#286 [01:58] <BamnAngel> yeah ok, i think u can clearly see the diffrence between me blaming mojang, and him blaming notch
#287 [01:58] <BamnAngel> rofl
#288 [01:58] <BamnAngel> xD
#289 [01:58] <Aska990> so, is 0.5 mb/s upload speed not enough for a SMP server ?
#290 [01:58] <fogWork> We all know it can be made better so, just go to church every sunday and pray :P
#291 [01:58] <Zemedelphos> Actually, the difference is that you're saying you think it's mojang's fault, and he's insisting everyoen agree that it's notch's fault.
#292 [01:58] <Zemedelphos> everyone*
#293 [01:58] <BamnAngel> well i only "think"
#294 [01:58] <Zemedelphos> Everyone has that right.
#295 [01:59] * fogWork just brought religion in and waits for total annihilation
#295 [01:59] <BamnAngel> lmao fog
#296 [01:59] <Zemedelphos> We're not that petty.
#297 [01:59] <GreyVulpine> Oooo.. I looooved total annihilation
#298 [01:59] <GreyVulpine> Great game
#299 [01:59] <fogWork> GreyVulpine: I has retails copies!
#300 [01:59] <fogWork> Come game with me!
#301 [01:59] <GreyVulpine> O.O
#302 [01:59] <BamnAngel> *is a retro gamer*
#303 [01:59] * GreyVulpine makes grabby hands
#303 [01:59] <BamnAngel> i love the nostalgia overflow
#304 [01:59] <BamnAngel> xD
#305 [02:00] <fogWork> :|
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#307 [02:00] <fogWork> I need better locks to my home
#308 [02:00] <GreyVulpine> I don't know where my copy of TA went..
#309 [02:00] <GreyVulpine> That was years and years ago
#310 [02:00] <BamnAngel> 2 locks are better than one? 8D
#311 [02:00] <fogWork> The more there are, the better ;)
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#313 [02:00] <BamnAngel> indeed
#314 [02:00] <mib_gpt3sx> hallo?
#315 [02:00] <xales> hi
#316 [02:00] <GreyVulpine> 'lo
#317 [02:00] <mib_gpt3sx> haiii
#318 [02:00] <Zemedelphos> Hello mib
#319 [02:00] <fogWork> TA: Kingdoms was fun, but I didn't like the quality of the graphics
#320 [02:01] <GreyVulpine> Heh
#321 [02:01] <aetherian> urgh, this os fails it.
#322 [02:01] <fogWork> It's like they saved it in POOR QUALITY JPEG! >_O
#323 [02:01] <mib_gpt3sx> does anyone know how to fix connecting to servers? i cant connect to any of them right now... and yes i have forwarded ports
#324 [02:01] <xales> mib_gpt3sx: Why can't you connect?
#325 [02:01] <xales> Port forwarding is only if you want to run a server, not connect to one
#326 [02:01] <BamnAngel> so my "java.net.SocketException : Software cause connection abort "
#327 [02:01] <BamnAngel> is pretty much
#328 [02:01] <BamnAngel> the connection itself?
#329 [02:02] <xales> BamnAngel: It sounds like it, however, if you have any firewall or antivirus running, shut that off
#330 [02:02] <BamnAngel> ill give that a try
#331 [02:02] <BamnAngel> thx
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#333 [02:02] <BamnAngel> lol...nope
#334 [02:02] <BamnAngel> no dice im afraid
#335 [02:03] <xales> how long does it take for that to appear?
#336 [02:03] <xales> also, if you disabled antivirus/firewall, try restarting Minecraft as well
#337 [02:03] <xales> mib_gpt3sx: still there?
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#339 [02:06] <fogWork> Well this turned out to be less of a good day, no access to ze home pc :|
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#341 [02:07] <mib_cbkbt1> how do i fix the "operation timed out" thing.... i get it for ever server i connect to
#342 [02:08] <xales> mib_cbkbt1: Try connecting to "smp.shadow-craft.net"
#343 [02:08] <mib_cbkbt1> ok will do right now
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#345 [02:08] <mib_cbkbt1> wtf it worked lol
#346 [02:09] <xales> Then the servers you are connecting to are down or you are entering the IP incorrectly
#347 [02:09] <mib_cbkbt1> hmmmmm.. gahh ok thxxx
#348 [02:12] <Aska990> what is smp.shadow-craft.net ?
#349 [02:12] <xales> it's a server
#350 [02:13] <Aska990> doesn't work for me, it's normal ?
#351 [02:13] <xales> it doesn't work for you how
#352 [02:13] <GreyVulpine> It's not a website.
#353 [02:13] <Aska990> oh it works now
#354 [02:13] <GreyVulpine> It's an address you put in the multiplayer field of beta
#355 [02:13] <Aska990> i got a "timed out"
#356 [02:14] <Aska990> but I still have the problem
#357 [02:14] <Aska990> I' stuck in a tiny part of the map
#358 [02:14] <Aska990> the world around isn't loading
#359 [02:16] <Aska990> LOL, there is an Inn entrance, but no Inn behind
#360 [02:16] <xales> That does sound like connection, then
#361 [02:16] <Aska990> : (
#362 [02:17] <Aska990> 2 mb/s is not enough ?
#363 [02:17] <xales> It depends on where the server is
#364 [02:18] <Aska990> I have this problem even with Australian servers
#365 [02:18] <Aska990> :(
#366 [02:19] <xales> It could be a bad connection to Australia
#367 [02:19] <Aska990> I have 1.8 mb/s with speedtest Sydney servers
#368 [02:19] <GreyVulpine> What do you have? ADSL? ADSL2?
#369 [02:20] <Aska990> no idea
#370 [02:20] <Aska990> how can I know ?
#371 [02:20] <GreyVulpine> Usually, australian ISPs have a monthly bandwidth cap, have you hit that yet?
#372 [02:20] <fogWork> What is this... login errors? I HAVE NEVER....
#373 [02:20] * fogWork fills a cup of rage
#373 [02:20] <GreyVulpine> With some plans, you hit a certain limit.. and your ISP throttles you back to dial-up speeds
#374 [02:21] <GreyVulpine> Almost feel sorry for those aussie bastards stuck with ADSL2.
#375 [02:21] <xales> GreyVulpine: Comcast isn't that big of a step up
#376 [02:21] <xales> (or, soon won't be)
#377 [02:21] <xales> ((aren't they planning on doing that? :/))
#378 [02:22] * fogWork never bashed comcast
#378 [02:22] <GreyVulpine> My info's a number of years old, but with an old job, I used to look at numbers for a CDN.
#379 [02:22] <fogWork> Only some of the users :P
#380 [02:22] <Aska990> hum I'm sorry, it is hard for me to understand, what do you mean with "bandwith cap" ?
#381 [02:22] <GreyVulpine> A lot of aussie ADSL2 customers hit their monthly bandwidth cap at around 20gigs
#382 [02:22] <GreyVulpine> give or take 10 gigs
#383 [02:23] <fogWork> Aska990: try connecting to crafted.se, see if the map loading persists on that server
#384 [02:23] <GreyVulpine> Many of the folks I talked to, had to get two plans, to juggle between so that they don't go over.
#385 [02:25] <Aska990> oh, more terrain loads on this server
#386 [02:26] <GreyVulpine> Aska990 - By bandwidth cap, I mean, your ISP only lets you download a certain total limit of size, then says, "Okay enough, you've transferred enough data for the month, you're cut off"
#387 [02:26] <fogWork> Loads all surroundings or just some, Aska990?
#388 [02:26] <Zemedelphos> Basically it's your ISP saying "fuck you, you're wasting our money"
#389 [02:26] <Aska990> just some
#390 [02:26] <Aska990> Oo
#391 [02:26] * fogWork nods
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#392 [02:27] <fogWork> I suspect the server is very far from you... but it appears to be either A: bandwidth issue or B: theres something going on; trolls or tumbleweed
#393 [02:27] <Aska990> when I received your message, the view in Minecraft shakes 3 seconds and the "Ping timeout"
#394 [02:27] <Aska990> *and then
#395 [02:27] <xales> I can pretty much guarantee that is connection, then
#396 [02:27] <Aska990> *"Connection lost : timed out"
#397 [02:28] <BamnAngel> yeah i get that error too from time to time
#398 [02:28] <BamnAngel> where you from btw, aska?
#399 [02:28] <Aska990> New-Caledonia
#400 [02:29] <fogWork> :O
#401 [02:29] <fogWork> That's more or less the middle of nowhere and beyond? :P
#402 [02:30] <Aska990> http://surftherenow.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/new_caledonia.gif
#403 [02:30] <Aska990> here ^^
#404 [02:31] <fogWork> Actual island, or a battleship masked as an island? hard to know ;)
#405 [02:31] <fogWork> But, I highly suspect bandwidth here :P
#406 [02:32] <Aska990> very very big battleship then xD
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#408 [02:32] <BamnAngel> woah
#409 [02:32] <BamnAngel> caledonia
#410 [02:32] <BamnAngel> thats far
#411 [02:32] <BamnAngel> lol
#412 [02:32] <BamnAngel> something like that
#413 [02:32] <xales> BamnAngel: You just lagged pretty bad on IRC
#414 [02:32] <xales> =\
#415 [02:32] <Aska990> we have an huuuge optic fiber cable between us and auralia
#416 [02:33] <Aska990> *australia
#417 [02:33] <mib_vjg6q3> hi I want to use a gift code but it don't seem to have any place for that on the mincraft site
#418 [02:33] <xales> mib_vjg6q3: http://minecraft.net/redeem.jsp
#419 [02:33] <fogWork> xales: damn ninja ;P
#420 [02:33] <mib_vjg6q3> ah thanks a lot
#421 [02:33] <xales> fogWork: I typed it. :P
#422 [02:33] <mib_vjg6q3> good night
#423 [02:33] <fogWork> I was typing http://www.minecraft.ne
#424 [02:33] <fogWork> Then you got me
#425 [02:34] <Aska990> but they sells us the bandwiths so expensive so we have limited connections
#426 [02:34] <xales> ah, I thought you were opening it to copy+paste or something
#427 [02:34] <fogWork> Nah :P
#428 [02:34] <BamnAngel> im from malaysia. and i believe my isp is notorious for being epicly fail ;s
#429 [02:34] <BamnAngel> lol
#430 [02:34] <BamnAngel> ok that would really mean
#431 [02:34] <BamnAngel> my connection then
#432 [02:34] <BamnAngel> if it really is my isp and there is no cure, am i able to refund?
#433 [02:34] <fogWork> Or you can wait for it to get better, BamnAngel :)
#434 [02:35] <fogWork> Keep the game in your collection
#435 [02:35] <BamnAngel> yeah i know
#436 [02:35] <BamnAngel> thats the dilemma
#437 [02:35] <BamnAngel> i love miencraft
#438 [02:35] <BamnAngel> minecraft*
#439 [02:35] <SinZ> was gonna say...
#440 [02:35] <BamnAngel> and i at least still have singleplayer
#441 [02:35] <Aska990> yeah, even without multiplayer, this game is awesome
#442 [02:36] <SinZ> singleplayer does get boring after awhile
#443 [02:36] <SinZ> tho
#444 [02:36] <BamnAngel> true.. although it gets lonely as days go by in singleplayer :(
#445 [02:36] <Aska990> but, yes, if we can play on multiplayer, it's better : (
#446 [02:36] <Zemedelphos> Eh
#447 [02:36] <BamnAngel> i wish mobs could talk
#448 [02:36] <BamnAngel> LOL
#449 [02:37] <BamnAngel> wow i sound pathetic already
#450 [02:37] <Zemedelphos> I'm not that much a fan of multiplayer as singleplayer.
#451 [02:37] <Aska990> so, if my friend has 0.5 mb/s upload speed, it's not enough ?
#452 [02:37] <fogWork> It should be enough for some type of quality gaming :P
#453 [02:37] <Zemedelphos> I do like when people can see my creations, but I hate when they can destroy them. Or steal out my chest. Or mine in my mines.
#454 [02:37] <Aska990> http://canihostaminecraftserver.com/ tells me that it's enough
#455 [02:37] <aetherian> or breath your air?
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#457 [02:38] <Aska990> but it doesn't work :---(
#458 [02:38] <Zemedelphos> The air isn't mine to keep.
#459 [02:38] <Zemedelphos> But the things I stake claim to or creat first are.
#460 [02:39] <xales> Aska990: It might be enough if you actually got the 0.5mb/s, however, it doesn't sound like you are getting the full speed
#461 [02:39] <BamnAngel> *grabs a straw and sucks around the air*
#462 [02:39] <xales> and it's barely enough
#463 [02:39] <Aska990> yes, maybe
#464 [02:40] <Aska990> but for the public servers
#465 [02:40] <Aska990> I can not play that all
#466 [02:40] <Aska990> my friend can play fine
#467 [02:40] <xales> if he is on a different ISP, then his connection is not the same as yours
#468 [02:40] <Zemedelphos> Lol
#469 [02:40] <Zemedelphos> If I ran a server, I coudl support Me plus one. XD
#470 [02:40] <Aska990> this is not so much different ?
#471 [02:41] <xales> the advertised speed may be the same, but how the ISP routes the information could be very different
#472 [02:42] <Zemedelphos> Right.
#473 [02:42] <Aska990> I'm afraid you're right :(
#474 [02:44] <BamnAngel> is there like a test server for minecraft
#475 [02:44] <BamnAngel> to pin point ur problem?
#476 [02:44] <luckz> Zemedelphos: so don't let them do anything else than look
#477 [02:44] <BamnAngel> out of curiosity
#478 [02:44] <fogWork> A test server? O_o
#479 [02:44] <Zemedelphos> Luckz: Yes, because I can TOTALLY prevent someone from, say, walking up to my house and destorying it, or breaking down the iron door to my mine, etc.
#480 [02:45] <aetherian> yeah
#481 [02:45] <Zemedelphos> I TOTALLY have that much internet charisma
#482 [02:45] <luckz> Zemedelphos: sure! but that's a topic for a different place, so.
#483 [02:45] <aetherian> it's called obsidian walls and many many locked doors
#484 [02:45] <luckz> it's just called "nobody can do anything who isn't on the list of people who can do shit"
#485 [02:45] <SinZ> aetherian, its called anti-grief mods =P
#486 [02:45] <xales> aetherian: just mine through the obsidian
#487 [02:45] <Zemedelphos> Obsidian walls are 1) counterintuitive to closing off a mine 2) Not effective to closing off a mine and 3) semi-difficult to gather.
#488 [02:45] <xales> it only takes 3 minutes or so
#489 [02:45] <aetherian> SinZ: not everyone has mods
#490 [02:46] <BamnAngel> mojang should make an obsidian door. lol
#491 [02:46] <aetherian> xales: not everyone wants to do that
#492 [02:46] <Zemedelphos> Also, people can just go around the obsidian.
#493 [02:46] <aetherian> and I'm not talking 1 block thick =\
#494 [02:46] <xales> not everyone wants to gather the obsidian either :)
#495 [02:46] <Zemedelphos> And what's the point of building statues if you encase them in obsidian?
#496 [02:46] <SinZ> bedrock door that requires redstone wiring =P
#497 [02:46] <BamnAngel> xD
#498 [02:46] <aetherian> xales: I'm talking technicals
#499 [02:46] <luckz> aetherian: not everyone likes ice cream, and even fewer people eat it. and?
#500 [02:46] <aetherian> wha?
#501 [02:46] <aetherian> I miss the analogy
#502 [02:47] <Zemedelphos> Not everyone likes using obby, and fewer people do?
#503 [02:47] <SinZ> Everyone likes chocolate unless they physicly can't have it =P
#504 [02:47] <Zemedelphos> Use it that is.
#505 [02:47] <Zemedelphos> SinZ: I know a girl who doesn't like chocolate.
#506 [02:47] * fogWork stopped eating chocolates so many years ago
#506 [02:47] <Zemedelphos> Unless it's that time.
#507 [02:47] <aetherian> friend of mine dislikes it
#508 [02:47] <aetherian> he also dislikes cheese
#509 [02:47] <aetherian> o.o
#510 [02:47] <fogWork> CHEESE IS LIFE!
#511 [02:47] <fogWork> ... I mean
#512 [02:47] <aetherian> cheese>choc
#513 [02:47] <AG_Clinton> SinZ: I don't like chocolate.
#514 [02:48] <SinZ> 0.0 Zemedelphos, LIES, Everyone likes chocolate, No exeptions >:D
#515 [02:48] <aetherian> AG_Clinton: you freak
#516 [02:48] <Zemedelphos> She doesn't unless she's on her period. It's true.
#517 [02:48] <aetherian> >:O
#518 [02:48] <AG_Clinton> How am I a freak?
#519 [02:48] <Zemedelphos> She'll eat it
#520 [02:48] <aetherian> you don't like chocolate!
#521 [02:48] <Zemedelphos> But she won't be like "ooh chocolate *buys*"
#522 [02:48] <AG_Clinton> That doesn't make me a freak.
#523 [02:49] <AG_Clinton> It makes me an outsider to your standards.
#524 [02:49] <aetherian> AG_Clinton: I was being entirely serious when I called you a freak too.
#525 [02:49] <aetherian> @_@
#526 [02:49] * AG_Clinton is very srs bsns
#526 [02:49] <Zemedelphos> Cats can't taste sugar. They are freaks.
#527 [02:49] <Zemedelphos> I know they're freaks. I own one.
#528 [02:49] <fogWork> Cats in heat sound a whole lot
#529 [02:50] <Zemedelphos> My cat is fixed.
#530 [02:50] <fogWork> Mine isn't :|
#531 [02:50] <AG_Clinton> I'll eat chocolate, but I don't really enjoy it like people make it out to be.
#532 [02:50] <AG_Clinton> Too rich.
#533 [02:50] <lukegb> :o
#534 [02:50] <AG_Clinton> I don't have much of a sugar tooth anyway.
#535 [02:51] <AG_Clinton> I do like ice cream on occasion.
#536 [02:51] <aetherian> I have a higher salt tooth than a sugar tooth
#537 [02:51] <BamnAngel> lol i have peppermint ice cream in the fridge
#538 [02:51] <luckz> aetherian: mods are vastly easier to obtain than ice cream! setting them up is harder than licking ice cream, unless you're physically disabled like that! neither mods nor ice cream cause earth quakes in nippon!
#539 [02:52] <Zemedelphos> AG: Eat dark chocolate
#540 [02:52] <Zemedelphos> It's not rich
#541 [02:52] <aetherian> luckz: yet I don't use them
#542 [02:52] * fogWork read nipples
#542 [02:52] <AG_Clinton> I don't like dark chocolate.
#543 [02:52] <aetherian> :O
#544 [02:52] * aetherian stabs clint
#544 [02:52] <BamnAngel> not rich? then whats with the "rich dark chocalate " labels?
#545 [02:52] <AG_Clinton> I'll eat it if I need to satisfy hunger for a quick fix.
#546 [02:52] <BamnAngel> xD
#547 [02:52] <Zemedelphos> Semi-dark then? :o
#548 [02:52] <AG_Clinton> Chocolate is amazing at that.
#549 [02:52] <luckz> aetherian: and nobody is forcing you to have ice cream, either.
#550 [02:52] <BamnAngel> i think both milk and dark choc are awesome
#551 [02:53] <aetherian> I have a bar of swiss chocolate with "caffeine of guarana"
#552 [02:53] <AG_Clinton> I had a dog that ate 8 lbs of chocolate one Easter.
#553 [02:53] <luckz> aetherian: yet maybe if you wanted ice cream, you would have to look into obtaining some, and if you wanted to protect your creations in SMP.. you do the math
#554 [02:53] <AG_Clinton> In one go.
#555 [02:53] <BamnAngel> wait isnt choc lethal to dogs?
#556 [02:53] <fogWork> Did it die? ;P
#557 [02:53] <AG_Clinton> People say that.
#558 [02:53] <BamnAngel> in some cases?
#559 [02:53] <aetherian> luckz: I have no idea what you're going on about
#560 [02:53] <AG_Clinton> My dogs have eaten chocolate.
#561 [02:53] <AG_Clinton> And no.
#562 [02:53] <AG_Clinton> He didn't even get sick.
#563 [02:53] <BamnAngel> what type of choc?
#564 [02:53] <BamnAngel> btw
#565 [02:54] <AG_Clinton> Dark and mil
#566 [02:54] <AG_Clinton> Milk
#567 [02:54] <BamnAngel> interesting
#568 [02:54] <fogWork> Dogs... black holes that just suck in food no matter how nasty it is
#569 [02:54] <BamnAngel> cuz ive heard of neighbours who had their dogs die from eating choc
#570 [02:54] <luckz> bitches be deserving it
#571 [02:54] <BamnAngel> maybe its in the breed?
#572 [02:54] <BamnAngel> o.0
#573 [02:54] <AG_Clinton> It was being stored in a room for Easter for a big family Easter and he got into the room and wrecked it.
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#576 [02:56] <BamnAngel> omg lol
#577 [02:57] <BamnAngel> i just went on the java website
#578 [02:57] <BamnAngel> and it said my version was outdated
#579 [02:57] <BamnAngel> <;x
#580 [02:57] <BamnAngel> now im wondering if that has anything to do with my error
#581 [02:57] <Zemedelphos> lol
#582 [02:57] <fogWork> :|
#583 [02:57] <EmpiresBane> they jus6t released a new version today, i think
#584 [02:57] <EmpiresBane> or at least fairly recently
#585 [02:57] <BamnAngel> well no harm trying
#586 [02:57] <BamnAngel> *fingers crossed*
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#588 [03:02] <Aska990> so, the only solution for me is...to change my ISP
#589 [03:02] <Aska990> : (
#590 [03:05] <Zemedelphos> Or try to get them to reset your connection or something. Idk.
#591 [03:05] <Zemedelphos> Sometimes we have issues here with the internet
#592 [03:05] <Zemedelphos> If resetting the DSL modem doesn't work, we call them and ask them to reset the connection.
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#595 [03:10] <Aska990> if I don't ask them, they never reset my connection ?
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#597 [03:11] <Zemedelphos> I'm just saying it could help.
#598 [03:12] <aetherian> night
#599 [03:13] <Aska990> yes, maybe
#600 [03:14] <Aska990> resetting the connection changes the IP adress, does it ?
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#603 [03:19] <GLaDOS> aw
#604 [03:20] <fogWork> :|
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#606 [03:23] <EmpiresBane> http://demotivationalblog.com/demotivational/2009/07/pebkac-tech-support-cant-help-you-when-youre-the-problem.jpg
#607 [03:23] <EmpiresBane> i almost want to put that in the topic
#608 [03:24] <feenyx> personally, I prefer this one: http://s3.amazonaws.com/files.posterous.com/haggis/GhhpeIvApdalzayqorpvlgEqrozgykqfoqEGBGiHJBfuCebijxrbrHsBDvih/media_http12mediatumblrcomtumblrkqotm5K42u1qzvqipo1500jpg_xcxfnzGndymbots.jpg.scaled500.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJFZAE65UYRT34AOQ&Expires=1299832175&Signature=xnUn%2BY0O7hVZNJGuwr0AJsF5DjY%3D
#609 [03:25] <Zemedelphos> Hahah
#610 [03:25] <EmpiresBane> yeah, too bad we can't ssh flamethrowers
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#613 [03:44] <GLaDOS> !check 110.175.98.165
#614 [03:44] <GLaDOS> <_>
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#616 [03:45] <EmpiresBane> that wug guy in #minecraft is a complete idiot
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#618 [03:46] <SinZ> Lol @ Windows 7 having a setup to support a virtual server for windows XP =P
#619 [03:47] <EmpiresBane> makes sense
#620 [03:47] <SinZ> yeh, Ditch windows XP and make a virtual server for it
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#630 [19:41] <zw> How to import SQL tables with ssh?
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#633 [19:47] <DopeGhoti> zw: mysqldump the tables from sourcedb, scp the .sql file onto the new db host, ssh into the new host, and mysql < dumpfile.sql
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#635 [19:54] <zw> hmm
#636 [19:54] <zw> cant get in
#637 [19:54] <zw> i get this error : http://pastebin.com/2K7VE1FL
#638 [19:54] <zw> when I start the server
#639 [19:54] <zw> so was trying to import some standar database files for it
#640 [19:54] <Mikkel> Hello. I'm having a problem. Every server that I'm connecting to, is kind of lagging. I load the map extremely show. Which makes all of the things I'm doing in the game, extemely slow. I tried running mc on another computer, connecting to the same server, worked just fine. What could the problem be?
#641 [19:54] <Mikkel> I'm using Windows 7 on the computer which fails to run it correctly, and Windows XP on the one that can.
#642 [19:55] <xales> Mikkel: Can you run the game in singleplayer ok?
#643 [19:55] <Mikkel> yep
#644 [19:55] <module> how about if you run it from a browser (on the minecraft.net site)
#645 [19:56] <Mikkel> I havent tried yet
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#647 [19:56] <iamweirdie> !check 99.62.5.102:25565
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#649 [19:58] <fenster> hello is anyone online?
#650 [19:59] <fenster> i got a problem running minecraft
#651 [19:59] <fenster> think is related to the java version, but im not sure
#652 [20:00] <fenster> EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION (0xc0000005)
#653 [20:00] <xales> fenster: can you pastebin the entire error?
#654 [20:00] <xales> http://pastebin.com/
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#656 [20:01] <fenster> here is http://pastebin.com/DDfLRtFh
#657 [20:03] <xales> ??> fenster win/dxdiag
#658 [20:03] <VoxelHead> fenster: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "save log" file and save it to your desktop.
#659 [20:03] <VoxelHead> fenster: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link you are sent to, and paste it here.
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#661 [20:05] <fenster> here is the log http://pastebin.com/0aDtLPds
#662 [20:06] <xales> yeah, that is the problem
#663 [20:06] <xales> your video card, "SiS Mirage 3 Graphics" doesn't support Minecraft
#664 [20:06] <xales> (it is an extremely old card)
#665 [20:06] <fenster> haha all right
#666 [20:06] <fenster> so i cant do anything right?
#667 [20:07] <xales> beyond upgrading your computer, nothing :(
#668 [20:07] <fenster> actuallty
#669 [20:07] <fenster> i`ve runned minecraft once
#670 [20:07] <xales> Classic, or Beta?
#671 [20:07] <fenster> but usually i makes the error
#672 [20:07] <fenster> beta
#673 [20:07] <fenster> 1.03_01
#674 [20:08] <xales> I've never seen it work on that card, and I know for a fact it doesn't support the graphics requirements for Minecraft
#675 [20:08] <xales> so I don't know how it would have run, but I can tell you, it won't run
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#677 [20:09] <fenster> ok... thank you guys
#678 [20:10] <fenster> but its true, i run it and played a few minutes
#679 [20:10] <fenster> hehe
#680 [20:12] <Chr|s> hmmm new server I set up on home computer is laggy and even lags me out and another friend
#681 [20:12] <Chr|s> have good internet connection too. Anything else I can do to try to fix this?
#682 [20:12] <xales> Chr|s: is the computer you are running on capable of running a server?
#683 [20:13] <Chr|s> Yes
#684 [20:13] <Chr|s> id say so
#685 [20:13] <xales> how much RAM does it have, and CPU speed
#686 [20:13] <Chr|s> 6gig ram CPU speed is 2.5ghz
#687 [20:14] <xales> are you playing on the same machine?
#688 [20:14] <Chr|s> yes
#689 [20:15] <xales> I don't think your CPU is fast enough for that
#690 [20:15] <xales> see if your friend lags when you aren't playing
#691 [20:15] <Chr|s> seriously? my computer is pretty fast on 3d games with better graphics
#692 [20:15] <Chr|s> even ran server on different fps game
#693 [20:15] <Chr|s> hmm
#694 [20:16] <oldtopman> The server won't need too much CPU. What video card do you have and How many cores?
#695 [20:16] <oldtopman> Chr|s: What is your upload/download?
#696 [20:16] <xales> oldtopman: I'm on a 3.1GHz CPU and I get CPU lag running Minecraft and a server at the same time
#697 [20:17] <oldtopman> xales: okay.
#698 [20:18] <Chr|s> I have a 2 AMD HD Radeon 4670 cards
#699 [20:18] <Chr|s> doing speed test now
#700 [20:19] <Chr|s> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1197105015.png
#701 [20:19] * SkiingPenguins is jealous
#701 [20:20] <xales> That upload is a bit slow for a server, but shouldn't be the issue
#702 [20:20] <oldtopman|dinner> xales: it is the same as mine
#703 [20:21] <xales> oldtopman|dinner: It's not going to create lag all the time, but it likely will when someone joins or is teleported, or for whatever other reason causes a burst of data
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#705 [20:23] <kennyadr> Hello
#706 [20:23] <kennyadr> Is username changes possible? I have a alpha account that I dont want to give up...
#707 [20:23] <Chr|s> I don't think so, could be wrong though :(
#708 [20:23] <xales> Changes? No. But you might be able to transfer the premium status. Email support@mojang.com
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#710 [20:24] <kennyadr> /msg NickServ AUTH 167083551
#711 [20:24] <kennyadr> fuck
#712 [20:24] <DopeGhoti> kennyadr: why would you have to give it up
#713 [20:24] <DopeGhoti> and.. change your password, kennyadr :/
#714 [20:24] <xales> DopeGhoti: AUTH is just the verification code
#715 [20:25] <kennyadr> its only a irc password
#716 [20:25] <xales> once used it doesn't man anything
#717 [20:25] <DopeGhoti> true 'nuff
#718 [20:25] <kennyadr> and because my minecraft is my fullname
#719 [20:25] <DopeGhoti> other IRC services daemons use AUTH though.
#720 [20:25] <kennyadr> which kinda sucks going into certain servers with strangers
#721 [20:25] <SkiingPenguins> why'd you make it your full name?
#722 [20:25] <DopeGhoti> kennyadr: just tell them that it's a pseudonym.. Kenny.
#723 [20:26] <kennyadr> I dont know, but i regret doing it now
#724 [20:26] <SkiingPenguins> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1197108633.png <-- apparently i am slower than 89% of USA :(
#725 [20:26] <kennyadr> I tryed emailing
#726 [20:26] <kennyadr> They just ignored the email
#727 [20:26] <SkiingPenguins> you sure?
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#729 [20:26] <xales> How long ago did you send it?
#730 [20:26] <kennyadr> over a month ago
#731 [20:26] <kennyadr> Thats why im in here now
#732 [20:26] <xales> That is why it wasn't responded to
#733 [20:26] <xales> Send another one
#734 [20:27] <ironsight> I can't seem to buy the game, is the credit card server down?
#735 [20:27] <xales> ironsight: Define "can't seem to buy"
#736 [20:27] <kennyadr> Damn, is there a better email to send my message to?
#737 [20:27] <xales> What happens when you try to
#738 [20:27] <relsqui> everyone buy another copy of the game to check >_>
#739 [20:27] <ironsight> I keep getting like server errors like Too many concurrent sessions. Please try again later.
#740 [20:27] <xales> kennyadr: They didn't have people checking support@mojang.com before. They do now
#741 [20:27] <xales> ironsight: then yes, just wait
#742 [20:27] <xales> or use PayPal
#743 [20:27] <ironsight> and verification is failing on my mastercard
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#745 [20:27] <kennyadr> Thanks xales i'll try sending it :)
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#748 [20:44] <Ipooted> http://pastebin.com/D4tm830U ... Can anyone help?
#749 [20:45] <Ipooted> Happens when I run Minecraft.exe
#750 [20:45] <xales> ??> Ipooted win/reinst
#751 [20:45] <VoxelHead> Ipooted: (win/reinst) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#752 [20:45] <VoxelHead> Ipooted: (win/reinst) To do so, press Win+R, type in %AppData%, and press Enter. In the window that appears, open the .minecraft directory, and delete the bin directory that you see therein. Then, try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
#753 [20:46] <Ipooted> I've tried that... :( Perhaps try again?
#754 [20:46] <xales> Were you trying to install a mod or texture pack?
#755 [20:47] <Ipooted> I was running on an hd texture and a mod, but I switched back to my backup of the origanal minecraft
#756 [20:48] <Ipooted> Btw, I don't think this matters, but I recently installed JDK1.6.0 to learn more about Java.
#757 [20:49] <xales> Try deleting the texturepack and bin folder
#758 [20:49] <Ipooted> I might need to reinstall Minecraft.exe, but mc.net is down.
#759 [20:49] <Ipooted> Ahhh.
#760 [20:49] <GreyVulpine> !isdown
#761 [20:49] <GreyBot> GreyVulpine: It's just you. http://minecraft.net is up.
#762 [20:49] <GreyVulpine> no it isn't
#763 [20:50] <xales> Minecraft.exe doesn't do anything but launch it
#764 [20:50] <Ipooted> Okay.
#765 [20:51] <Ipooted> Yay. Thank you.
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#767 [20:54] <Chr|s> im using server.bat with the info "java -Xmx1024M -Xms1024M -jar minecraft_server.jar" CMD window and Java Minecraft GUI pops up. Why do they both pop up?
#768 [20:54] <SkiingPenguins> because the server.bat launched java
#769 [20:55] <SkiingPenguins> and until java closes, the server.bat stays open
#770 [20:55] <GreyVulpine> if you don't want the gui, you need to add "nogui" to the end of the command line
#771 [20:55] <Chr|s> I just want CMD line
#772 [20:55] <SkiingPenguins> then do whay GreyVulpine said
#773 [20:56] <Chr|s> ahh much better
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#775 [20:57] <Xerati> xales, seriously man, stop breaking things
#776 [20:58] <xales> Xerati: :<
#777 [20:58] <SkiingPenguins> hi
#778 [20:58] <GreyVulpine> Bad xales!
#779 [20:58] * xales snaps Xerati in half
#779 [20:59] <SkiingPenguins> i got fussed at for using GIMP portable during Computer Art class today.. i am expected to use photoshop elements :| I and half the class realized photoshop elements is rather slow
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#781 [21:00] <SkiingPenguins> bai kenny
#782 [21:01] <Xerati> damnit man, now i'm broken!
#783 [21:04] * DopeGhoti fixes Xerati
#783 [21:05] <DopeGhoti> SkiingPenguins: if your Computer Art class instructor cares what tools you use to make your art, ey needs to find a new career.
#784 [21:05] <Xerati> waaaait a minute, i don't need 'fixing'
#785 [21:05] <DopeGhoti> s/fixes/repairs/
#786 [21:05] <Xerati> :D
#787 [21:05] * GreyVulpine breaks Xerati again?
#787 [21:05] <Xerati> :(
#788 [21:06] * DopeGhoti re-repairs (refours?) Xerati
#788 [21:06] <Xerati> i'm starting a giant castle project D:
#789 [21:18] <SkiingPenguins> :/ minecraft cpu usage isnt dropping like it used to. it's staying up which makes no sense to me. i thought it loaded the chunks then chilled
#790 [21:20] <GreyVulpine> http://notch.tumblr.com/
#791 [21:20] <GreyVulpine> Neat little writeup on terrain generation
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#793 [21:32] <Ipooted> Uhhh! Help! I need the original .minecraft\resources!!
#794 [21:32] <relsqui> redownload the game?
#795 [21:32] <Ipooted> Hmmmm
#796 [21:33] <Ipooted> I can't view my .minecraft because the period indicates it is a hidden file
#797 [21:33] <Ipooted> but...
#798 [21:33] <SkiingPenguins> then allow windows to show hidden files
#799 [21:33] <Ipooted> I'll manage
#800 [21:34] <Ipooted> I can't find that option
#801 [21:34] <GreyVulpine> Windows?
#802 [21:36] <ffpsx> hello everybody
#803 [21:36] <SkiingPenguins> hi
#804 [21:37] <ffpsx> Been a long time since I have been on IRC.
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#806 [21:37] <ffpsx> Hey I just wanted to share this video with some fellow Minecraft fans. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kty4c4Ns0aQ
#807 [21:38] <Ipooted> Theeeeere... Fresh .minecraft... =D
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#810 [21:56] <Chr|s> Just click on start, run type in %appdata% and click on .minecraft folder
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#815 [22:02] <BagelMaster> would anyone familiar with linux (Ubuntu 10.10 x86_64 on a VPS) be able to help me with an error I'm getting while trying to set up my server? I've waded through a few and fixed them, but this one is just stumping me for whatever reason
#816 [22:03] <xales> what is the error?
#817 [22:03] <BagelMaster> I'll pastebin it
#818 [22:03] <BagelMaster> http://pastebin.com/LEt4zz9i
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#820 [22:04] <xales> you are launching the server incorrectly
#821 [22:04] <BagelMaster> oh
#822 [22:04] <BagelMaster> hey!
#823 [22:05] <BagelMaster> java -Xms1024M -Xmx1024M -cp -jar minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame
#824 [22:05] <BagelMaster> that's what I'm using
#825 [22:05] <xales> that's an (outdated) way of launching the client
#826 [22:05] <BagelMaster> ah
#827 [22:05] <xales> use "java -Xmx1024M -Xms1024M -jar minecraft_server.jar"
#828 [22:05] <BagelMaster> wowowowow
#829 [22:05] <BagelMaster> totally downloaded the wrong file.
#830 [22:06] <BagelMaster> thanks! I'll let you know how it goes
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#832 [22:06] <auekard> !check 98.229.254.89
#833 [22:07] <BagelMaster> xales, I got it running, thank you so much!
#834 [22:07] <xales> no problem
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#836 [22:08] <auekard> !check 98.229.254.89
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#838 [22:15] <auekard> !check 98.229.254.89
#839 [22:19] <auekard> !check 98.229.254.89
#840 [22:20] <auekard> !check 98.229.254.89
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#842 [22:24] <auekard> !check 98.229.254.89
#843 [22:25] <SkiingPenguins> you need help?
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#845 [22:26] <auekard> !check 98.229.254.89
#846 [22:26] <auekard> idk maybe i had it working yesterday but now its not working again
#847 [22:26] <Xerati> O_o
#848 [22:26] <Xerati> !check smp.xerati.net
#849 [22:27] <Xerati> !check 67.177.131.104
#850 [22:27] <Xerati> :O really?
#851 [22:27] <SkiingPenguins> o_o
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#853 [22:27] <Xerati> omg !1!1
#854 [22:27] <Xerati> oh
#855 [22:28] <Xerati> i've been here
#856 [22:28] <Xerati> lololol
#857 [22:28] <Xerati> Kealper, i take it AuBot is yours then
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#859 [22:32] <mib_6x9knc> !check 98.229.254.89
#860 [22:33] <mib_6x9knc> !check 98.229.254.89
#861 [22:33] <mib_6x9knc> !check 98.229.254.89
#862 [22:33] <Xerati> <_<
#863 [22:33] <Xerati> trying it repeatedly won't fix the problem
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#865 [22:37] <mib_6x9knc> '
#866 [22:37] <mib_6x9knc> !check 98.229.254.89
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#868 [22:46] <mib_6x9knc> !check 98.229.254.89
#869 [22:50] <nipper> !check mc.mcdominion.net
#870 [22:54] <Mining> !check 5.178.167.120:25565
#871 [22:55] <Mining> !check 5.178.167.120
#872 [22:55] <xales> Mining: That is a Hamachi IP
#873 [22:55] <xales> it can't check Hamachi IPs
#874 [22:55] <xales> and you should not use Hamachi
#875 [22:55] <Mining> Ah
#876 [22:55] <Mining> Oh?
#877 [22:55] <xales> ??> Mining fubar/hamachi
#878 [22:55] <VoxelHead> Mining: (fubar/hamachi) Hamachi has been squatting on a previously unallocated IP address space. This block of addresses, 5.0.0.0/8, has been allocated by IANA. As such, Hamachi conflicts with the internat. As such, #MineCraftHelp will neither support nor assist with server network issues for hosts using Hamachi for connectivity.
#879 [22:55] <VoxelHead> Mining: (fubar/hamachi) If you are using Hamachi, use a different solution such as proper port forwarding, or a VPN.
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#881 [23:02] <mib_6x9knc> !check 98.229.254.89
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#883 [23:05] <frogonia> minecraft.net is down?
#884 [23:05] <frogonia> xales can you do me a favor and try to connect to my server?
#885 [23:05] <frogonia> 71.143.179.189:25565
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#890 [23:25] <xales> fogWraith: just use the bot?
#891 [23:25] <xales> err
#892 [23:25] <xales> wrong hilight, person left, sorry :P
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#897 [23:38] <Rivitingone> Is anyone here willing to try and connect to my server? A friend has been having issues connecting in the last 2 days and I'm trying to see if it is on my end or his.
#898 [23:38] <xales> Rivitingone: Use the bot
#899 [23:39] <xales> just say "!check (ip)"
#900 [23:39] <Rivitingone> ohh nice
#901 [23:39] <Rivitingone> !check 68.185.171.160
#902 [23:39] <Rivitingone> like that?
#903 [23:39] <Rivitingone> looks like
#904 [23:40] <xales> Rivitingone: yes
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#906 [23:40] <xales> that means it didn't work
#907 [23:40] <xales> check that you port forwarded correctly
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#911 [23:43] <Rivitingone> Ok new question. What could be causing my server to be unconnectable? I have port 25565 forwarded properly buth tcp and udp.
#912 [23:43] <xales> Your IP might have changed
#913 [23:43] <xales> check it's forwarding to the correct IP
#914 [23:45] <Rivitingone> internal IP on port forward list matches my IPv4 of my lan
#915 [23:46] <Rivitingone> wait
#916 [23:46] <Rivitingone> [INFO] Starting Minecraft server on *:25565 <-- does this message on the server startup usually have an IP listed?
#917 [23:46] <xales> No, * means all IPs
#918 [23:46] <Rivitingone> instead of the * ?
#919 [23:47] <Rivitingone> hmm
#920 [23:47] <xales> which is what you want
#921 [23:47] <xales> do you have any sort of firewall running?
#922 [23:47] <Rivitingone> Windows firewall but it hasn't changed in ages and is set to nitify me if something is blocked. I'll disable it anyway.
#923 [23:49] <Rivitingone> !check 68.185.171.160
#924 [23:49] <xales> Double check your IP, and the port forward
#925 [23:49] <xales> and that your external IP hasn't changed as well
#926 [23:50] <Rivitingone> it hasn't. I have all the windows up and Ive triple read each one. They all match. I'm missing something
#927 [23:50] <xales> remove the forward and re-add it
#928 [23:51] <ngc0202> hiya!
#929 [23:51] <ngc0202> das tut dir gut?
#930 [23:51] <Rivitingone> !check 68.185.171.160
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#932 [23:52] <Rivitingone> Well that solved it. But all I did was turn the firewall back on... I'm not going to argue though
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#935 [23:56] <Rivitingone> Ok I see what I did. I hadn't disabled it the first time. Ok xales new problem. I need to let the program through the firewall but I am running the .jar version. Do you know how I set that up through windows firewall by chance?
#936 [23:56] <xales> Just don't use Windows Firewall
#937 [23:56] <xales> it's a total piece of garbage
#938 [23:56] <xales> and on top of that, if you are behind a router
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#940 [23:56] <xales> it acts as a firewall
#941 [23:57] <Rivitingone> Do you ever have one of those moments when you realize your probably not qualified to use the internet? I just had one...
#942 [23:58] <Rivitingone> Alright well seeing that I am behind a router I guess I'll ditch the windows firewall. Thanks for the help!
#943 [23:59] <ngc0202> lol
#944 [23:59] <ngc0202> lied
#945 [23:59] <xales> ngc0202, what