#1 [00:03] <Mathuin> Grrrr. "Service Temporary Unavailable!" when server status is 100% OK.
#2 [00:04] <Mathuin> http://extract.cr.usgs.gov/axis2/service/DownloadService/initiateDownload? <-- anyone else?
#3 [00:04] <VoxelHead> woah cool, let me try that!
#4 [00:07] <AndrewPH> VoxelHead is a nerd
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#7 [00:13] <aetherian> haha
#8 [00:13] <VoxelHead> now cry... CRY like you've never cried...... before
#9 [00:13] <xales> ahah
#10 [00:13] <xales> :O
#11 [00:13] <xales> Voxel, fuck you
#12 [00:14] <GreyVulpine> Voxel's just a meanie..
#13 [00:14] <xales> indeed
#14 [00:17] <Mathuin> I tell you, that bot has Tourette's.
#15 [00:18] <aetherian> why do we have an AI in here anyway...
#16 [00:18] <aetherian> unless it just developed it on its own
#17 [00:18] <GreyVulpine> Beginnings of Skynet.
#18 [00:19] <Mathuin> And Skynet's an asshole.
#19 [00:19] <aetherian> wait what
#20 [00:19] <VoxelHead> Wait what... wat.
#21 [00:19] <aetherian> what what /what/ what
#22 [00:20] <Mathuin> Ooooh, some of the astronauts at the ISS are on their way home soon.
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#24 [00:26] <aetherian> .sh is my friend <3
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#27 [00:30] <Manator> OK, I've set up my IP address from my router in server.properties but still fails to bind. wth
#28 [00:30] <xales> that is why
#29 [00:30] <GreyVulpine> Don't add the ip to server.properties
#30 [00:30] <GreyVulpine> Leave it blank
#31 [00:31] <xales> you can't put an IP in server.properties
#32 [00:31] <Manator> But http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1013&t=25110&p=448297#p448297 tells me to
#33 [00:31] <GreyVulpine> Screw the tutorials, they lie
#34 [00:31] <Manator> ...
#35 [00:31] <Manator> can I murder them?
#36 [00:32] <GreyVulpine> Those tutorials have pointed people in the wrong direction so many times...
#37 [00:32] * GreyVulpine wishes he had mod on the forums, just to delete them
#37 [00:32] <aetherian> lul
#38 [00:33] <Mathuin> Mark them as spam?
#39 [00:33] <GreyVulpine> They're not spam in that sense..
#40 [00:33] <relsqui> you could post a short direct statement saying DO NOT USE TUTORIALS FROM THE FORUMS, THEY ARE OUT OF DATE OR JUST WRONG and ask someone nicely to sticky it?
#41 [00:33] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, that'll happen
#42 [00:33] <Manator> blarg
#43 [00:33] <relsqui> wouldn't know, I've no idea how the forums are modded :)
#44 [00:33] <GreyVulpine> I'll just continue sitting silently here, raging at the forums for teaching people wrongly.
#45 [00:34] <GreyVulpine> If they want good directions, they'll come to IRC.
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#48 [00:37] <Manator> OK. I opened up the port 25565 and still can't connect to my IP...i must be doing something else wrong
#49 [00:38] <Manator> localhost, doh
#50 [00:38] <GreyVulpine> Hmm?
#51 [00:39] <GreyVulpine> You can't connect to localhost even?
#52 [00:39] <Manator> I did. Didnt' know I had to do that.
#53 [00:39] <aetherian> or you could connect to 127.0.0.1 ...
#54 [00:39] <GreyVulpine> 127.0.0.1 == localhost
#55 [00:40] <aetherian> ...
#56 [00:40] <aetherian> that's the point
#57 [00:40] <Mathuin> When will Minecraft be IPv6? :-)
#58 [00:40] <aetherian> 127.0.0.1 looks cooler than "localhost"
#59 [00:40] <GreyVulpine> It already can.. can't it?
#60 [00:41] <aetherian> connect to :::: or whatever and find out ;)
#61 [00:41] <Mathuin> ::1
#62 [00:41] <xales> GreyVulpine: It can connect to IPv6 but you can't enter it in the box by keyboard
#63 [00:41] <GreyVulpine> Sure you can..
#64 [00:41] <xales> it thinks anything beyond the first segment is the port number
#65 [00:41] <GreyVulpine> Oh?
#66 [00:41] * xales is pretty sure
#66 [00:41] <aetherian> then how do you do it?
#67 [00:41] <Mathuin> Name service?
#68 [00:41] <Mathuin> If you have a name that only has an AAAA record?
#69 [00:42] <GreyVulpine> Hmm
#70 [00:42] <Mathuin> It's testable. If I really really cared.
#71 [00:42] <GreyVulpine> I know this issue was raised with the ipv4/ipv6 debian issue.
#72 [00:43] <GreyVulpine> How java in debian defaulted to the ipv6 stack, and you needed to configure it to like ipv4 over ipv6\
#73 [00:43] <aetherian> I wish I had IPv6 ;_;
#74 [00:43] <Mathuin> I need to ask my ISP if they're gonna offer it soon.
#75 [00:43] <GreyVulpine> I just can't remember how it was initially diagnosed
#76 [00:43] <xales> http://tunnelbroker.net/
#77 [00:43] <Mathuin> I know my hosting provider won't. :-P
#78 [00:43] <Mathuin> I have a tunnel through HE.
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#81 [00:58] <Chr|s> GreyVulpine SWEET! I got it
#82 [00:58] <Chr|s> didn't mention a few steps in the quick start guide, watched the video again and got it
#83 [01:00] <Chr|s> now just have to set up permissions :(
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#86 [01:14] <DopeGhoti> Chr|s: ah, so you're up and running then? Brilliant.
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#89 [01:22] <Chr|s> DopeGhoti so so, I am getting there
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#91 [01:37] <DopeGhoti> ??+ forum-tutorials|Tutorials you find of the fora are, in nearly all cases, outdated or error-laden, and often both; particularly if you only read the originating post and none of the discourse that follows.;;If you are going to use a forum-based tutorial, be certain that details such as the OS in question, and in particular the version of Minecraft in question, correlate with what you are trying to do.
#92 [01:38] <GreyVulpine> Hey, could you do one for MCedit, and possibly corrupted maps?
#93 [01:39] <relsqui> DopeGhoti: typo in that, fyi, "find of the fora"
#94 [01:39] <Chr|s> fiora?
#95 [01:39] <GreyVulpine> forum
#96 [01:39] <Chr|s> lol
#97 [01:40] <Chr|s> yeah I know
#98 [01:40] <xales> well, at least they aren't as bad as Youtube tutorials
#99 [01:40] * xales shudders
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#100 [01:41] <DopeGhoti> Chr|s: fora:forum::media:medium::plural:singular
#101 [01:41] <DopeGhoti> GreyVulpine: you should be able to ??+ and ??~ now
#102 [01:41] <xales> DopeGhoti: Because that syntax means something to most people? :P
#103 [01:41] <DopeGhoti> ??~ forum-tutorials|Tutorials you find on the fora are, in nearly all cases, outdated or error-laden, and often both; particularly if you only read the originating post and none of the discourse that follows.;;If you are going to use a forum-based tutorial, be certain that details such as the OS in question, and in particular the version of Minecraft in question, correlate with what you are trying to do.
#104 [01:42] <GreyVulpine> Mrah
#105 [01:42] <GreyVulpine> Fine.. force me to do some work then...
#106 [01:42] * GreyVulpine grumbles.
#106 [01:42] * relsqui scratches head
#106 [01:42] <relsqui> strictly speaking, fora:forum::plural:singular is wrong
#107 [01:42] <relsqui> I mean, the intent is obvious and correct
#108 [01:43] <DopeGhoti> relsqui: you are correct.
#109 [01:43] <relsqui> *g*
#110 [01:43] <relsqui> not to, like, only speak in here to nitpick or anything
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#112 [01:43] <GreyVulpine> !def fora
#113 [01:43] <DopeGhoti> hey, I pick nits too
#114 [01:43] <GreyVulpine> Bah, does greybot not have that functionality.
#115 [01:43] * GreyVulpine kicks greybot
#115 [01:44] <relsqui> DopeGhoti: oh, okay then. there are places where I'd have said that even less apologetically, but I don't know you guys that well yet :P
#116 [01:44] <GreyVulpine> Oh right, that script has colors..
#117 [01:44] * GreyVulpine kicks #MineCraftHelp's +c
#117 [01:44] <relsqui> heh
#118 [01:44] <VoxelHead> =D
#119 [01:44] <DopeGhoti> relsqui: no worries; like I said, I pick nits, and what's good for the goose is good for the gander, as they say
#120 [01:44] * DopeGhoti appreciates such corrections, actually (:
#120 [01:45] * relsqui nods
#120 [01:45] <relsqui> yeah, understood
#121 [01:45] <relsqui> it wasn't so much a correction in that case as a bit of grammar nerdery :P
#122 [01:46] <DopeGhoti> just don't let me catch you saying 'foo is different than bar', which makes my eye twich even to type as an example
#123 [01:46] <relsqui> I'm a human communication geek. the fact that people can get ideas from one brain to another boggles my mind. so I like thinking about what makes that process tick.
#124 [01:46] <GreyVulpine> O.o
#125 [01:46] <GreyVulpine> What does that even mean?
#126 [01:47] <GreyVulpine> 'foo is different from bar'?
#127 [01:47] <DopeGhoti> 'foo' and 'bar' are metasyntactic variables
#128 [01:47] <DopeGhoti> the point being 'different than' is incorrect; it is properly 'different _from_'.
#129 [01:47] <GreyVulpine> Ah, I see.
#130 [01:47] <DopeGhoti> one of my many grammatical pet peeves.
#131 [01:48] <relsqui> hear, hear
#132 [01:49] * relsqui is the child of an editor and a lawyer. infer priorities of upbringing for yourself.
#132 [01:49] <DopeGhoti> I like making people who love Latin too much cringe by being sure to deliberately split infinitives whenever I can.
#133 [01:49] <relsqui> haha
#134 [01:49] <relsqui> is that where that rule comes from?
#135 [01:49] <VoxelHead> LEAVE NO EVIDENCE%percent%percent@^$%percent#^£~*!#
#136 [01:49] <GreyVulpine> O.o
#137 [01:49] * GreyVulpine stabs VoxelHead
#137 [01:49] * VoxelHead stabs GreyVulpine
#137 [01:50] * xales sets fire to VoxelHead
#137 [01:50] <DopeGhoti> It's, as I understand, a rule in Latin, but not in English, unless you have a dusty old teacher who spent too much time learning what bits of Latin that English has absorbed.
#138 [01:50] <relsqui> well, judging from Latin-based languages I know any of, it seems likely that it's actually not possible in Latin
#139 [01:50] <relsqui> e.g. in Spanish, you can't split the infinitive, because the infinitive is one word
#140 [01:50] <DopeGhoti> indeed
#141 [01:51] <relsqui> I believe that's true of French too, so I'd assume it is in Latin
#142 [01:51] <DopeGhoti> English is more German-derived than Latin anyhow, grammatically speaking.
#143 [01:51] <relsqui> right
#144 [01:51] <relsqui> we are a weird little mishmash and I love it <3 only because I will never have to learn it as a second langauge
#145 [01:51] <relsqui> +spelling
#146 [01:51] <Chr|s> :)
#147 [01:51] <VoxelHead> -_-
#148 [01:52] <DopeGhoti> Most of the wars in Eurasian history are, in my opinion, not over riches or natural resources, but are merely the frustrated flailings of Celts in search of nouns and the odd verb.
#149 [01:52] <relsqui> haha. and thirsty for vowels?
#150 [01:52] <VoxelHead> We will begin by testing your absorbancy.
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#152 [01:53] <DopeGhoti> VoxelHead: activate absorbancy sensors
#153 [01:53] <VoxelHead> *checks #minecrafthelp*
#154 [01:53] <VoxelHead> Dopeghoti: That reads as 1311 gigainches.
#155 [01:53] <DopeGhoti> that's quite a long roll of paper towels.
#156 [01:54] <Chr|s> lmao
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#158 [01:54] <ConMan8> !check conman.no-ip.org
#159 [01:54] <ConMan8> That makes it easy!
#160 [01:54] <xales> owned
#161 [01:54] <ConMan8> At least it isn't a local IP
#162 [01:55] <Chr|s> port forwarding is quite easy, I had so many problems back in the day
#163 [01:55] <Chr|s> it comes easy to me now
#164 [01:56] <DopeGhoti> it might be easier if it were called what it is: IP masquerading
#165 [01:56] <GreyVulpine> Then you get people mixing it up with mac address spoofing
#166 [01:57] <GreyVulpine> or ip proxies
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#168 [01:57] <GreyVulpine> or any number of terms that could seem like the same technology to the average consumer
#169 [01:57] <Diago21> Hello? I'm currently having a problem connecting to Minecraft.net, could somebody help me?
#170 [01:57] <GreyVulpine> What's the problem?
#171 [01:58] <Diago21> I havn't been able to connect to Minecraft.net for a couple of weeks.
#172 [01:58] <Diago21> And i know my account has not been hacked.
#173 [01:58] <relsqui> are you on the old launcher perchance?
#174 [01:58] <Diago21> I'm pretty sure i'm not, is there a way i can check?
#175 [01:59] <GreyVulpine> Hmm... what operating system are you on?
#176 [01:59] <Diago21> Windows 7.
#177 [01:59] <GreyVulpine> Could you pull up the command prompt, and ping "www.minecraft.net"?
#178 [01:59] <Diago21> Okay, one sec.
#179 [01:59] <GreyVulpine> Let us know what IP it resolves to
#180 [01:59] <relsqui> Diago21: if you see the list of mojang staff and the changelog tumblr, it's the new launcher. if it's just a username/password box, it's the old one.
#181 [02:00] <Diago21> I don't see either, i have 4 replys though.
#182 [02:00] <GreyVulpine> At the very top
#183 [02:00] <GreyVulpine> What's the ip?
#184 [02:00] <Diago21> They're from 50.16.203.217
#185 [02:00] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, that seems right..
#186 [02:01] <xales> Oh, I know
#187 [02:01] <xales> Check your system time
#188 [02:01] <xales> make sure it is correct
#189 [02:01] <GreyVulpine> O.o
#190 [02:01] <xales> the date and time
#191 [02:01] <Diago21> Yeah, its right.
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#193 [02:01] <xales> GreyVulpine: SSL certificate verification can fail if it's too far behind
#194 [02:01] * GreyVulpine is still thinking hosts file
#194 [02:01] <xales> Diago21: try
#195 [02:01] <xales> "ping login.minecraft.net"
#196 [02:02] <Diago21> This ip at the top this time is 50.16.203.217
#197 [02:02] <xales> are you able to browse to http://minecraft.net/
#198 [02:02] <Diago21> Yeah, i can get on it and log in.
#199 [02:03] <xales> do you have any firewall software on your computer?
#200 [02:03] <Diago21> Yeah, but i'm pretty sure Minecraft is allowed through.
#201 [02:03] <Diago21> After all it only started two weeks or so ago.
#202 [02:03] <xales> try disabling the firewall
#203 [02:03] <Bob_Sack> if you got a router, you really don't need a firewall..
#204 [02:03] <xales> and that^
#205 [02:04] <Diago21> I'm on a laptop using wireless.
#206 [02:04] <Diago21> I'll try turning off the firewall.
#207 [02:04] <Bob_Sack> wireless connects to a router
#208 [02:04] <VoxelHead> connectless wires
#209 [02:04] <xales> yes VoxelHead
#210 [02:04] <xales> stop being a smartass
#211 [02:04] <xales> D:
#212 [02:04] <VoxelHead> D:
#213 [02:05] <AndrewPH> wireless wires?
#214 [02:05] <Diago21> Nope, turned my firewall off, i still can't log in.
#215 [02:05] <xales> are you using the new launcher, or the old one?
#216 [02:05] <Diago21> The new one.
#217 [02:05] <Bob_Sack> i'd suggest using the old one if u can get ahold of it
#218 [02:05] <xales> What OS?
#219 [02:06] <Diago21> Windows 7.
#220 [02:06] <xales> is it up to date?
#221 [02:06] <Diago21> Yeah.
#222 [02:06] <xales> did you make any changes to your system around the time it started?
#223 [02:06] <Diago21> Also, i have tried looking for the old launcher, i can't find it anywhere.
#224 [02:06] <Diago21> Nope.
#225 [02:06] <xales> Bob_Sack: Please don't recommend that here, as we do not support using it
#226 [02:06] <xales> anyway
#227 [02:07] <xales> does it immediately say "cannot connect to minecraft.net" or does it do that after a few seconds
#228 [02:07] <Bob_Sack> sorry, #minecraft & #minecrafthelp only support inferior software
#229 [02:07] <Diago21> It says logging in for about a second then it says that it can't connect.
#230 [02:07] <xales> Bob_Sack: The new launcher works fine, and has more features. How is it inferior?
#231 [02:07] <AndrewPH> Bob_Sack, trolling is something that gets you removed from channels~
#232 [02:08] <Bob_Sack> the auth for new launcher is different and is down more often
#233 [02:08] <xales> anyway
#234 [02:08] <Bob_Sack> so by extension, that makes the new launcher worse
#235 [02:08] <GreyVulpine> It uses SSL, which is something people have been screaming for, for months
#236 [02:08] <GreyVulpine> So notch and his team implemented it
#237 [02:08] <xales> Diago21: You are sure the date, time, and year on your system are all correct?
#238 [02:08] <Diago21> I think its alright, i have not had any problems up until now..
#239 [02:08] <Diago21> Yes, they are.
#240 [02:09] <Diago21> Hold up!
#241 [02:09] <Diago21> It says 2010..
#242 [02:09] <Bob_Sack> well lately, whenever minecraft.net goes down, the old launcher generally still works.. so thats why i said old is better
#243 [02:09] <Chr|s> ahh your just a year off
#244 [02:09] <DopeGhoti> 'just'
#245 [02:10] <Diago21> Oh wow..
#246 [02:10] <Diago21> It works..
#247 [02:10] <GreyVulpine> It also transmits your password in plain text, which a lot of people were screaming about
#248 [02:10] <Diago21> Thanks so much guys!
#249 [02:10] <GreyVulpine> So, 'better', not really.
#250 [02:10] <DopeGhoti> \o/
#251 [02:10] <xales> /o\
#252 [02:10] <Diago21> I cann't express how happy i am.
#253 [02:10] <Diago21> *Can't
#254 [02:10] <Diago21> Seriously, you guys have been alot of help.
#255 [02:10] <Bob_Sack> sacrifice reliability for security then?
#256 [02:10] <xales> tip: turn on time synchronizatin in the time settings area
#257 [02:10] <Diago21> Wait a sec!
#258 [02:11] <Diago21> It blackscreened..
#259 [02:11] <Diago21> :l
#260 [02:11] <xales> ??> Diago21 win/reinst
#261 [02:11] <VoxelHead> Diago21: (win/reinst) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#262 [02:11] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, I'd rather not sacrifice anything for security
#263 [02:11] <VoxelHead> Diago21: (win/reinst) To do so, press Win+R, type in %AppData%, and press Enter. In the window that appears, open the .minecraft directory, and delete the bin directory that you see therein. Then, try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
#264 [02:11] <Diago21> Yeah, i know how to do that.
#265 [02:11] <Diago21> Thanks again.
#266 [02:11] <GreyVulpine> Anyhoo, we do prefer it if people didn't advertise or give out the old client here.
#267 [02:11] <Diago21> Usually i just delete the minecraft.jar and version file.
#268 [02:12] <Diago21> Okay, its all updated and fixed.
#269 [02:12] <Bob_Sack> i get it, gotta follow the official TOS and what not
#270 [02:12] <Diago21> Thanks again guys!
#271 [02:13] <VoxelHead> setty mings lalalala
#272 [02:13] <GreyVulpine> Makes our lives a bit easier.
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#274 [02:13] <xales> Bob_Sack: If you have a problem with how we run our chanel, nobody is making you stay here
#275 [02:13] <GreyVulpine> Easy xales, he's just agreeing with us there.
#276 [02:13] <Bob_Sack> im not complaining
#277 [02:15] <GreyVulpine> !isdown
#278 [02:15] <GreyBot> GreyVulpine: It's just you. http://www.minecraft.net is up.
#279 [02:16] <GreyVulpine> bah, I don't get why a bunch of my scripts had to mysteriously roll back to a version a week back.
#280 [02:16] <xales> :o
#281 [02:16] * GreyVulpine wonders what other script broke..
#281 [02:16] <xales> not as bad as me forgetting to install init on my server
#282 [02:16] <GreyVulpine> Greybot's just showing its age, I guess.
#283 [02:16] <xales> and then wondering why it didn't boot
#284 [02:16] <GreyVulpine> Hah
#285 [02:17] <DopeGhoti> I once accidentally _removed_ /sbin/init when trying to get rid of errant packages
#286 [02:17] <DopeGhoti> damned misplaced '*'
#287 [02:17] <xales> I also forgot to add the nobody user on my server
#288 [02:18] <xales> which SSH needs, aparrantly
#289 [02:18] <xales> so I had to force-reboot it to fix it :|
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#291 [02:18] * xales is not as good at this stuff as he once was
#291 [02:18] <DopeGhoti> at least you remembered to have it autostart sshd
#292 [02:20] <xales> true
#293 [02:21] <xales> !g (answer to life, the universe, and everything) / 2
#294 [02:21] <xales> !google (answer to life, the universe, and everything) / 2
#295 [02:21] <xales> :|
#296 [02:21] <xales> GreyBot, you don't have google script
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#298 [02:24] * DopeGhoti should add .stfw to VoxelHead
#298 [02:24] * VoxelHead should DopeGhoti back with a background
#298 [02:24] <DopeGhoti> VoxelHead: I am not a verb!
#299 [02:24] <GreyVulpine> greybot does have a google scipt
#300 [02:24] <GreyVulpine> it's..
#301 [02:24] <GreyVulpine> +google
#302 [02:24] <GreyBot> GreyVulpine has activated the AdvancedGoogle script for #MineCraftHelp .
#303 [02:24] <GreyVulpine> !google mrah
#304 [02:24] <GreyBot>  a multifunctional noise that can be used to express frustration, disdain, or munching. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mrah
#305 [02:24] <GreyBot>  MRAH is a premier Veterinary Hospital providing pet healthcare, guidance and advice needed for your pet to live a healthy and high-quality life. ... http://www.mrah.net/
#306 [02:24] <GreyBot>  basically twenty years old san diego bred san francisco living i love adventures so bring it. http://mrah.tumblr.com/
#307 [02:24] <GreyBot>  In these pages, the Musées royaux d'Art et d'Histoire (MRAH; Curator of the ancient Near Eastern collection: Eric Gubel), Brussels, and the Cuneiform ... http://cdli.ucla.edu/collections/mrah/mrah_en.html
#308 [02:24] <GreyVulpine> -google
#309 [02:24] <GreyBot> GreyVulpine has deactivated the AdvancedGoogle script for #MineCraftHelp .
#310 [02:24] <xales> wow spam
#311 [02:25] <GreyVulpine> And that's why it's not on all the time
#312 [02:25] <GreyVulpine> I got sick of updating regex to fit google every time google decides to change their format
#313 [02:25] <GreyVulpine> That's just a script I found that works.. ish
#314 [02:26] * xales suggests that DopeGhoti get a working Google script for VoxelHead?
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#315 [02:27] <GreyVulpine> As long as you have a functionality which does tinyurl, and limits it to ops or voice/ops
#316 [02:27] <GreyVulpine> Speaking of..
#317 [02:27] <DopeGhoti> simple enough.
#318 [02:29] <xales> ლ(°◡°ლ)
#319 [02:30] <xales> wow
#320 [02:30] <xales> Debian
#321 [02:30] <xales> I hate you
#322 [02:30] <xales> :<
#323 [02:30] <DopeGhoti> xales: ?
#324 [02:30] <DopeGhoti> those Unicode smilies are.. tiresome.
#325 [02:30] <xales> I has irssi from debian-backports on my Debian server
#326 [02:30] <xales> but it lied about the version
#327 [02:30] <xales> or, it patched a feature out
#328 [02:30] <xales> :<
#329 [02:31] <xales> Irssi 0.8.15 (20100403) - http://irssi.org/
#330 [02:31] <xales> ^current
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#333 [02:37] * Cyberstorm earperks, "Google's format?"
#333 [02:37] <Cyberstorm> Heya GreyVulpine
#334 [02:37] * GreyVulpine waves
#334 [02:38] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, last time google changed their output (and inserted that annoying sidebar), it broke my script
#335 [02:38] <Cyberstorm> Which feature?
#336 [02:38] <Cyberstorm> Google does LOOOTS of stuff.
#337 [02:38] <GreyVulpine> Just by adding the sidebar into their google search.
#338 [02:39] <Cyberstorm> Ahh! Isn't there some "classic" option?
#339 [02:39] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, nope.
#340 [02:40] <Cyberstorm> I see classic buttons on various sites all over the internet and probably wish it was there too!
#341 [02:40] <Cyberstorm> Old yahoo mail.
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#343 [02:40] <DopeGhoti> GreyVulpine: just query against m.google.com
#344 [02:40] <GreyVulpine> Some people hated it so much that there's a few firefox plugins that remove the sidebar from google's search results.
#345 [02:40] <Cyberstorm> Old Twitter I think
#346 [02:40] <GreyVulpine> bleh, mobile google?
#347 [02:40] <Cyberstorm> Ahh, that helps...mobile site is less filled with junk
#348 [02:40] * Cyberstorm nodnods
#348 [02:40] <DopeGhoti> same search results, less "helpful" interfacey stuff for a bot to ignore
#349 [02:41] * Cyberstorm nods and is on his mobile opera often.
#349 [02:41] <GreyVulpine> Oh geez, that brings up even more stuff on my browser to look through
#350 [02:41] <Gulani> Question, is there anyway I can get the name of an item to hover over the item via mouse hover?
#351 [02:41] <GreyVulpine> Gulani - It already does that
#352 [02:41] <GreyVulpine> In the latest version
#353 [02:41] <Cyberstorm> Latest?!
#354 [02:41] <DopeGhoti> latest couple versions, really
#355 [02:41] <Cyberstorm> Ohh, in inventory
#356 [02:42] <Cyberstorm> I was thinking in-world
#357 [02:42] <Gulani> Blah, I have Alpha 1.1.2 >_<
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#359 [02:42] <DopeGhoti> why are you still running alpha?
#360 [02:42] <Gulani> Because thats what I downloaded from the site lol
#361 [02:42] <Gulani> Upgrade time! xD
#362 [02:42] <Cyberstorm> Same reason people get viruses...well one reason. They don't do updates!
#363 [02:43] <Gulani> So...where is the latest version download?
#364 [02:43] <GreyVulpine> Uh, if you had the latest client from minecraft.net, it automatically updates when you launch it
#365 [02:43] <Cyberstorm> Yeah...I thought it auto-updated
#366 [02:43] <GreyVulpine> (provided you paid for a minecraft account.. and didn't pirate it)
#367 [02:43] <Gulani> Note: I don't have premium
#368 [02:43] * Cyberstorm smirks
#368 [02:43] <GreyVulpine> That.. would be why
#369 [02:44] <Cyberstorm> Do you offer help here in that case?
#370 [02:44] <Gulani> So I have to manually update?
#371 [02:44] <GreyVulpine> We do not.
#372 [02:44] * Cyberstorm nods, seeing the GreyVulpine is a goodguy.
#372 [02:45] <GreyVulpine> Gulani - We do not provide support for pirated versions of minecraft. If you want to play it, you gotta have a premium account.
#373 [02:45] <DopeGhoti> Gulani: you can find the fix you need athttp://www.minecraft.net/prepurchase.jsp
#374 [02:45] <Gulani> Ahh, so I am stuck with Alpha? D:
#375 [02:45] <Cyberstorm> I think it's worth it!
#376 [02:45] <Bob_Sack> lol i wouldn't call it a premium account.. it really is the only account
#377 [02:45] <Cyberstorm> And I regularly pirate lots of thing!
#378 [02:45] * GreyVulpine snrks
#378 [02:45] <DopeGhoti> Yes, you're stuck with your stolen copy of the game.
#379 [02:46] <DopeGhoti> sympathy quotient: zero
#380 [02:46] <Gulani> Well I don't have the cash, and I don't even like pirating =_=
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#382 [02:46] <DopeGhoti> it's <$20
#383 [02:46] <DopeGhoti> mow some lawns
#384 [02:46] <Cyberstorm> Half a lawn!
#385 [02:46] <GreyVulpine> It's the dead of winter in many areas..
#386 [02:46] <Bob_Sack> shovel driveways
#387 [02:46] <Cyberstorm> Ohh, good point
#388 [02:46] <Bob_Sack> there's always a solution
#389 [02:46] <Gulani> Lol, I'm going to help my dad with our flower garden this weekend that might help me xD
#390 [02:46] <GreyVulpine> Good idea.
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#395 [03:05] <Manator> Thanks everyone for telling me that the forum people have been...wrong. Since they are wrong...any of you have personal preferences on server hosting?
#396 [03:06] <Bob_Sack> your own computer
#397 [03:06] <xales> lol
#398 [03:06] <Manator> Tried that
#399 [03:06] <Manator> Don't trust my connection
#400 [03:06] * xales suggests http://allgamer.net/
#400 [03:07] <Bob_Sack> i like only paying a hundred of RAM once, than pay a host over many months
#401 [03:07] <Manator> so I should avoid Brohoster I'm guessing...?
#402 [03:08] <DopeGhoti> Manator: I know some good hosts, but they're not dirt-cheap
#403 [03:08] <Manator> $10 a mo is what I'm trying to find.
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#405 [03:08] <Manator> at most, if possible
#406 [03:08] <xales> that's not going to do it...at all
#407 [03:08] <Manator> even for 1-4 players?
#408 [03:09] <Manator> I don't want a big server
#409 [03:09] <VoxelHead> i wish i knew
#410 [03:09] <Bob_Sack> dude
#411 [03:09] <Manator> hm
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#413 [03:09] <DopeGhoti> $10/month? Not likely
#414 [03:09] <Bob_Sack> i have a server with at max 5 players running on a 4GB computer that i run everything else on as well
#415 [03:09] <Bob_Sack> no need for expensive hosting sites
#416 [03:10] <xales> not everyone has a fast Internet connection or a very up-to-date computer?
#417 [03:10] <xales> or wants to leave their computer on all the time
#418 [03:10] <Bob_Sack> i turn it off every night for 8 hours and none of my players mind, but im just putting out a suggestion
#419 [03:10] <Bob_Sack> just giving you options, rather than putting too much money into a host
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#421 [03:12] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, multiplay offers an 8 slot for minecraft for 9.60 USD/month
#422 [03:12] <GreyVulpine> They're a pretty well known hosting company.
#423 [03:13] <GreyVulpine> Looks like they offer bukkit support as well.
#424 [03:13] <GreyVulpine> Clanforge control panel.. eh, it's no MCMyAdmin, but it works..
#425 [03:14] <xales> I've heard bad stuff about Multiplay, personally
#426 [03:14] <GreyVulpine> Oh?
#427 [03:14] <xales> Stuff not working, support being horrible, the normal host woes
#428 [03:15] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, xenonservers offers a 15 USD/month plan for 20 slots
#429 [03:15] <GreyVulpine> I once admined an HL2;DM server off of them
#430 [03:15] <xales> haven't heard much about them but I do remember someone in here had some issue with them also :|
#431 [03:15] * xales doesn't like recommending budget stuff
#431 [03:15] <GreyVulpine> They weren't great on their support, but their stuff worked
#432 [03:15] <Bob_Sack> thing is, this guy is lookin for budget stuff
#433 [03:15] <Bob_Sack> so he's gonna have to sacrifice
#434 [03:16] <xales> I'd rather not have anyting than waste my money on something that doesn't work
#435 [03:16] <xales> nothing*
#436 [03:16] <AndrewPH|AFK> xenon is less than perfect for minecraft servers.
#437 [03:16] * xales needs to go to bed ._.
#437 [03:16] <AndrewPH|AFK> they're great for most other games.
#438 [03:17] <GreyVulpine> I spent about 2 months managing a xenonserver-run HL2:DM server.
#439 [03:17] <GreyVulpine> Was somebody else's dime, but I was the one doing the day-to-day management. Their interface works..
#440 [03:17] <GreyVulpine> but if you got support issues, they practice the 'hurry up and wait' method
#441 [03:18] * GreyVulpine also shouldn't mention the fact that there was tons of drama, and that poor server got DDoSed to hell and back.
#441 [03:19] <GreyVulpine> Walked into a minefield by not knowing what I was getting into
#442 [03:20] <feenyx> well, it did teach you to mind your step :)
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#444 [03:22] <GreyVulpine> Heh, I offered my admin experience, because I ran a HL2 mod myself, didn't know that HL2:DM, role-play servers had a bunch of drama attached to them
#445 [03:23] <GreyVulpine> Everything from the mod itself, which was just a HL2:DM with a sourcemod plugin that makes WoM and such seem like a catfight in development arguments
#446 [03:23] <DopeGhoti> heh
#447 [03:23] <GreyVulpine> To drama between server owners itself..
#448 [03:23] <VoxelHead> ^_^
#449 [03:23] <xales> I've been there before
#450 [03:23] <xales> :<
#451 [03:24] <GreyVulpine> I lasted 2 months, before I said, screw this, and went back to admining my own little Hl2 server, vowed never to return to that situation
#452 [03:25] <GreyVulpine> Can you believe, in that 2 months, that server actually something like $100+ in donations.
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#454 [03:26] <GreyVulpine> All for just a little privilege and some in-game currency.
#455 [03:26] <GreyVulpine> Guy paid like 30 a month for the server.
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#458 [03:41] <Jessie> hello?
#459 [03:42] <xales> hi
#460 [03:42] <Jessie> SO you can help with Minecraft?
#461 [03:42] <xales> What's the problem?
#462 [03:44] <Jessie> It doesn't work for me. I'm trying to do the older but free version that is supposed to be just in browser, yeah? but it wont load and I've tried tons of different thing but nothing works
#463 [03:44] <xales> what happens when you try to play it?
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#466 [03:45] <Jessie> Well first i was in Internet explorer and i tried to run the Activex but it was blocked cause the publisher wasnt verified then i tried everything i could find on that and i eventually got to a forum that said just install firefox, which i did but it still doesnt work
#467 [03:46] <xales> And what happens when you try to play it in Firefox?
#468 [03:46] <Jessie> It just doesnt appear, doesn't show up at all and i have java installed
#469 [03:47] <Bob_Sack> your computer might not be strong enough to play minecraft
#470 [03:47] <xales> Did you install the Java Firefox plugin?
#471 [03:47] <GreyVulpine> Sounds like a permissions issue, either with IE/FF's certs, or with java
#472 [03:48] <Jessie> Umm, maybe not, i followed the installation things from the link but i have to have a plugin too?
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#474 [03:48] <xales> Go to the Java install page in Firefox
#475 [03:50] <Jessie> I did, it just opens the download box and all that and i do evrything and it installs, is there something else i have to do one there?
#476 [03:50] <Jessie> on*
#477 [03:51] <xales> Did you restart Firefox after downloading it?
#478 [03:51] <xales> and installing it
#479 [03:52] <Jessie> No, lol, was i supposed to?
#480 [03:52] <xales> yes
#481 [03:52] <Jessie> oooh, okay. Will it most likely work when i do?
#482 [03:52] <Bob_Sack> can't know until you try it
#483 [03:53] <xales> if that was the problem, then yes
#484 [03:53] <Jessie> okay, thank you soo much for your help :) i was getting frustrated
#485 [03:53] <Jessie> bye bye
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#488 [04:01] <Jessie> Hello?
#489 [04:01] <xales> hi
#490 [04:01] <Jessie> It didn't work, the restarting the firefox
#491 [04:02] <xales> what version of Windows are you running?
#492 [04:02] <Jessie> XP
#493 [04:02] <xales> ??> Jessie win/dxdiag
#494 [04:02] <VoxelHead> Jessie: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "save log" file and save it to your desktop.
#495 [04:02] <VoxelHead> Jessie: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link you are sent to, and paste it here.
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#497 [04:04] <Jessie> What will that do?
#498 [04:04] <xales> make sure your computer is actually capable of running it at all
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#500 [04:07] <xales> hi wug/It
#501 [04:08] <xales> you aren't channelstalking me, are you? :|
#502 [04:08] <It> yes.
#503 [04:08] <xales> :<
#504 [04:08] <It> that's definitely it.
#505 [04:08] <xales> \o/ deductive reasoning
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#507 [04:09] <Jessie> It doesnt have an option to save log
#508 [04:09] <xales> it's "Save all information"
#509 [04:09] <It> insaneasylum banned me
#510 [04:09] <xales> it's supposed to
#511 [04:10] <It> could you not simply make the channel invite only
#512 [04:10] <xales> more fun like that
#513 [04:10] <xales> :3
#514 [04:10] * xales and ChanServ are butt-buddies
#514 [04:11] <Jessie> Is it safe to give yall all the info?
#515 [04:11] <xales> yes, nothing in there is bad
#516 [04:11] <xales> it's just information about the hardware in your computer
#517 [04:12] <It> there. I have successfully joined every channel you are in.
#518 [04:12] <It> except insaneasylum.
#519 [04:12] <xales> It: that aren't +s
#520 [04:12] <xales> :)
#521 [04:12] <It> which you should totally let me in
#522 [04:12] <It> I will brute force IRC
#523 [04:12] <xales> orly
#524 [04:13] <It> /join &*
#525 [04:13] <It> *asperodes*
#526 [04:13] <xales> /whois *
#527 [04:13] <xales> was more funny
#528 [04:13] <xales> :>
#529 [04:13] <It> lol
#530 [04:13] <xales> /whowas *
#531 [04:14] <xales> is even better
#532 [04:14] <xales> :3
#533 [04:14] <It> also, asperodes is what happens when you hit insert while typing and don't notice. kids, don't do insert.
#534 [04:14] <It> lol imma do it :3
#535 [04:14] <It> aww
#536 [04:14] <It> whowas doesn't do it
#537 [04:14] <xales> :o
#538 [04:14] <It> so what's in the insane asylum?
#539 [04:15] <xales> secret stuff
#540 [04:15] <It> can has in on it?
#541 [04:15] <It> i pwomise not to tell :3
#542 [04:16] <xales> ok
#543 [04:16] <Jessie> http://pastebin.com/qFntTDLY
#544 [04:16] <Jessie> Yeah?
#545 [04:17] <It> what are we troubleshooting?
#546 [04:17] <xales> It: Classic doesn't load
#547 [04:17] <It> 512MB ram isn't really enough to run any java program
#548 [04:17] <xales> ^
#549 [04:17] <It> let alone minecraft
#550 [04:17] <xales> yeah, your computer doesn't meet the minimum requirements...
#551 [04:17] <xales> not even close :|
#552 [04:17] <Jessie> D:
#553 [04:18] <Jessie> Geeeez, okay well thank you for your help. I knew my computer was crappy, but not that crappy :/
#554 [04:18] <xales> Minecraft needs just as much as most modern games
#555 [04:19] <xales> if not more
#556 [04:19] <It> i don't see anything about opengl there either
#557 [04:19] <It> minecraft needs 1.4 if i'm not mistaken
#558 [04:19] <Jessie> okay well thank you so much for your help
#559 [04:19] <xales> yeah, beyond the RAM/CPU being a good...7 years old
#560 [04:19] <xales> the GPU won't run it :|
#561 [04:20] <It> you could try running it on linux, which supposedly has better support for intel onboard gpus
#562 [04:20] <It> but it would run very poorly at best
#563 [04:20] <Jessie> Thank you, bye bye
#564 [04:20] <It> might be time for an upgrade. bye
#565 [04:20] <It> damn, i missed
#566 [04:20] <xales> It: the CPU in my phone
#567 [04:20] <xales> is faster than that
#568 [04:20] <xales> :|
#569 [04:21] <xales> anyway
#570 [04:21] * xales bedtime; bed
#570 [04:22] <It> WAIITTT
#571 [04:22] <It> insaneasylum says something about a keyword :3
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#575 [04:30] * GreyVulpine yawns
#575 [04:36] <GreyVulpine> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9214166/Seagate_updates_drives_in_biggest_ever_refresh
#576 [04:37] <GreyVulpine> "All of its new drives come with a self-encrypting option. Seagate boosted the cache on all of its HDDs from 16MB to 64MB, which boosts performance on each model. "
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#583 [05:01] <mr_fribble> Y'a des français ici ou pas ?
#584 [05:01] <mr_fribble> Personne ?
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#586 [05:02] <mr_fribble> Y'a-t-il des français ?
#587 [05:02] <Valium> GlaDOS sez wheeeeeee
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#589 [05:02] <Valium> in other news, any forum mods here?
#590 [05:03] <mr_fribble> Why speack french ?
#591 [05:04] <Valium> ? I'm not speaking french
#592 [05:09] <It> for forum mods, go to #minecraftforums.
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#615 [08:16] <charmander> you dont give help for modded servers do you?
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#622 [08:39] <kaane> .players
#623 [08:39] <kaane> ah, bloody
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#632 [09:47] <Kealper> .join #minecraft
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#638 [11:01] <fogWraith> This chan is ever so lively, what on earth happened?
#639 [11:01] <fogWraith> Did Notch show up in his cape, tossing pieces of bread around in #minecraft?
#640 [11:11] <Zemedelphos> No one's asking for help.
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#643 [11:16] <Kealper> so...
#644 [11:17] <Kealper> i used port 17 a while back for a program i made to sync computer times to my server's time
#645 [11:17] <Kealper> and just renently...i noticed that my time client started to crash every time it ran (yay no error handling!)...
#646 [11:17] <Kealper> and noticed that the time server program would not start, becuase it was failing to bind port 17...
#647 [11:18] <Kealper> so i made a raw connect to my server on port 17...got back a null-terminated binary jumble, decided to convert it to a string for shits and grins....
#648 [11:19] <Kealper> turns out port 17 is for a protocol called QOTD, and windows 7 reimplements it
#649 [11:19] <Shadikka> yup
#650 [11:19] <Kealper> coolest, but most useless protocol...ever...
#651 [11:19] <Shadikka> In general using ports under 1024 is inadvisable.
#652 [11:20] <Kealper> yeah, it worked fine on my old server, so i figured it was fair game
#653 [11:20] <Shadikka> And why not just sync both computers with NTP?
#654 [11:20] <Shadikka> No point reinventing the wheel. :)
#655 [11:20] <Kealper> not as cool, and the whole point of reinventing that wheel was for practice
#656 [11:20] <Shadikka> Ah.
#657 [11:20] <Kealper> i tend to do that a lot lol
#658 [11:20] <Shadikka> Then I understand very well :)
#659 [11:21] <Shadikka> I do it too *shrug*
#660 [11:21] <Kealper> keeps skills sharp and brings in new skill :P
#661 [11:21] <Kealper> although i don't reinvent wheels as much as i used to :/
#662 [11:22] <Kealper> i wonder if all windows 7 machines respond to QOTD stuff....imma try it on my computer
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#666 [11:25] <KentBallz> I have a problem with my server can anybody assist?
#667 [11:26] <KentBallz> java.lang.NullPointerException at cv.b(SourceFile:72) at cp.a(SourceFile:1565) at gd.d(SourceFile:461) at fz.d(SourceFile:66) at fz.b(SourceFile:87) at cp.c(SourceFile:302) at cp.a(SourceFile:259) at cp.e(SourceFile:263) at cp.a(SourceFile:200) at mn.a(SourceFile:51) at cp.<init>(SourceFile:166) at cv.<init>(SourceFile:25) at net.minecraft.server
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#670 [11:27] <Kealper> KentBallz: could you post the whole error report to http://pastebin.com and give the url in here?
#671 [11:27] <Kealper> that little bit does not give much info
#672 [11:29] <KentBallz> ok just curious how do I do a screenshot I'll just screen shot my server gui
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#674 [11:30] <Kealper> uh, on most OSes it's just press the print screen button
#675 [11:30] <Kealper> some times it might say "Prn Scn", "Print Scrn" or other stuff like that
#676 [11:30] <Kealper> on the button that is
#677 [11:31] <KentBallz> where does it go?
#678 [11:31] <Kealper> usually your clip board
#679 [11:31] <Kealper> so you can open any image program and paste the image in there, then save it
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#681 [11:33] <ubuntuchosen> Hello
#682 [11:33] <ubuntuchosen> i have a problem running minecraft on ubuntu 10.10
#683 [11:33] <ubuntuchosen> http://getsatisfaction.com/mojang/topics/ubuntu_minecraft_issue_probably_java
#684 [11:33] <ubuntuchosen> anyone whos not idle?
#685 [11:33] <ubuntuchosen> and is able to help
#686 [11:33] <ubuntuchosen> ?
#687 [11:34] <Kealper> virtualbox won't run games unless you hack the crap out of it
#688 [11:34] <Kealper> and if it does, it won't game well
#689 [11:34] <ubuntuchosen> the problem is that i cant even run it on linux - naturally
#690 [11:34] * Kealper reads crash log
#690 [11:35] <ubuntuchosen> not under wine or virtualbox
#691 [11:35] <ubuntuchosen> thanx :)
#692 [11:35] <AG_Scott> It works fine on linux.
#693 [11:35] <ubuntuchosen> well, not for me
#694 [11:35] <KentBallz> lets see if this helps
#695 [11:35] <KentBallz> http://pastebin.com/vEhWg1Rt
#696 [11:35] <AG_Scott> Have you installed Sun Java?
#697 [11:35] <ubuntuchosen> AG_Scott: yep i have
#698 [11:35] <AG_Scott> Or are you using the default installed OpenJDK?
#699 [11:36] <ubuntuchosen> im using sun java 6
#700 [11:36] <ubuntuchosen> openJDK s not in my system :)
#701 [11:36] <Kealper> # C [+0x424] __kernel_vsyscall+0x10
#702 [11:36] <ubuntuchosen> KentBallz: How's that supposed to help?
#703 [11:36] <Kealper> ubuntuchosen: different issue
#704 [11:36] <Kealper> what he said was to me
#705 [11:36] <ubuntuchosen> Kealper: ah
#706 [11:37] <Kealper> KentBallz: rename your "world
#707 [11:37] <Kealper> fail
#708 [11:37] <Kealper> "world" folder and try starting ti again
#709 [11:37] <Kealper> it*
#710 [11:37] <ubuntuchosen> AG_Scott: Any idea?
#711 [11:37] <AG_Scott> Not really :(
#712 [11:37] <Kealper> ubuntuchosen: the error in that log is caused from like....OS fail...
#713 [11:37] <AG_Scott> It works fine for me.
#714 [11:38] <Kealper> reinstall ubuntu? lol
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#716 [11:38] <AG_Scott> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9631803/linuxmc.png
#717 [11:38] <ubuntuchosen> r u kidding? :D
#718 [11:38] <AG_Scott> and I have integrated graphics :P
#719 [11:38] <Kealper> AG_Scott: eeewww
#720 [11:38] <ubuntuchosen> AG_Scott: Im jealous actually right now
#721 [11:38] <ubuntuchosen> :(
#722 [11:38] <Kealper> is tha ta laptop?
#723 [11:38] <AG_Scott> yes
#724 [11:38] <Kealper> that a* holy crap spelling
#725 [11:38] <ubuntuchosen> :D :D
#726 [11:39] <ubuntuchosen> AG_Scott: it took me like 4 hours to get my drivers working, cos AMD's such a bad thing
#727 [11:39] <Kealper> oh god yes
#728 [11:39] <Kealper> FGLRX is a joke
#729 [11:39] <AG_Scott> mine worked out of the box.
#730 [11:39] <ubuntuchosen> AG_Scott: another 2 hours setting up the resolution to native 1680x1050
#731 [11:39] <AG_Scott> Dell Inspiron 17R
#732 [11:39] <AG_Scott> I love it.
#733 [11:40] <Kealper> ubuntuchosen: you are literally better off using ubuntu's amd drivers, the proprietary ones are garbage
#734 [11:40] <AG_Scott> AMD is better than Nvidia right now though in terms of linux support.
#735 [11:40] <KentBallz> cool thanks kealper
#736 [11:40] <ubuntuchosen> Kealper: well, those are the only what are working on my machine
#737 [11:40] <Kealper> KentBallz: yeah, that error looks like your map was corrupt :/
#738 [11:41] <KentBallz> boo o well
#739 [11:41] <AG_Scott> You can't use the graphics card (or even turn it off) in linux if you have switchable graphics.
#740 [11:41] <AG_Scott> ._.
#741 [11:41] <ubuntuchosen> Gosh, i would want to have such problem
#742 [11:41] <Kealper> AG_Scott: NOOOOOOOOO trust me nvidia is far better with linux support
#743 [11:41] <AG_Scott> Ummm, you can't even use them?
#744 [11:41] <AG_Scott> :P
#745 [11:41] <AG_Scott> So I don't think that's better.
#746 [11:41] <Kealper> i can't play minecraft under nix either, because ati/amd drivers are a joke
#747 [11:41] <ubuntuchosen> Kealper: is there any way how to get this working? maybe switching to a kubuntu / xubuntu session?
#748 [11:42] <ubuntuchosen> ati/amd sucks
#749 [11:42] <AG_Scott> I guess I should get ready to leave in a bit.
#750 [11:42] <Kealper> ubuntuchosen: that'd still be using all the same drivers
#751 [11:42] <ubuntuchosen> use intel & nvidia
#752 [11:42] <ubuntuchosen> Kealper: so the thing is the drivers
#753 [11:42] <ubuntuchosen> Kealper: thats why i cant run minecraft?
#754 [11:42] <Kealper> i'm an ati/amd fanboy, but i also stay away from linux as a day to day OS, so....it works out
#755 [11:42] <Kealper> ubuntuchosen: possibly
#756 [11:42] <AG_Scott> i can't use windows.
#757 [11:42] <Kealper> that error report is not very helpful
#758 [11:42] <AG_Scott> i fail at it
#759 [11:42] <Kealper> windows loves me
#760 [11:43] <ubuntuchosen> Kealper: omg, im like going to throw my gtk from the window or something like that
#761 [11:43] <Kealper> it just...works...lol
#762 [11:43] <AG_Scott> My installs last less than 30 days.
#763 [11:43] <Kealper> o.o
#764 [11:43] <AG_Scott> Kealper, i find windows doesn't "just work"
#765 [11:43] <Kealper> windows must just hate you then
#766 [11:43] <Kealper> :P
#767 [11:43] <AG_Scott> funny since I'm certified by microsoft :(
#768 [11:43] <ubuntuchosen> Kealper: is there any way how to back up all my programs, files and such stuff and then just reinstall the os?
#769 [11:43] <Kealper> maybe that's why it hates you
#770 [11:43] <ubuntuchosen> and change the drivers
#771 [11:44] <AG_Scott> ubuntuchosen, you don't need to reinstall to change the drivers
#772 [11:44] <ubuntuchosen> ok, what drivers for amd do u guys find the best?
#773 [11:44] <Kealper> search ubuntu's repo for their stock drivers for ati
#774 [11:44] <ubuntuchosen> and sorry for my english, im from czech republic
#775 [11:44] <Kealper> couldn't even tell :o
#776 [11:45] <ubuntuchosen> thanks: )
#777 [11:45] <ubuntuchosen> Kealper: i installed my drivers tru the official ubuntu guide
#778 [11:45] <ubuntuchosen> on the ubuntu wiki
#779 [11:45] <ubuntuchosen> now the 3D accel is working and everything, im using compiz and emerald
#780 [11:45] <ubuntuchosen> and i have to change my drivers?
#781 [11:45] <ubuntuchosen> god :(
#782 [11:46] <ubuntuchosen> what drvs should i download?
#783 [11:46] <Kealper> no idea on that one....i'm not an ubuntu expert
#784 [11:46] <Kealper> my home is with windows :/
#785 [11:46] <ubuntuchosen> ok
#786 [11:46] <Kealper> (but my summer home is Arch)
#787 [11:46] <ubuntuchosen> where could i try to ask for ths? :D
#788 [11:46] <ubuntuchosen> :)
#789 [11:47] <Kealper> well, normally i'd say ask xales or dopeghoti in here but they both seem to be afk
#790 [11:47] <ubuntuchosen> xales: anyone there?
#791 [11:47] <ubuntuchosen> dopeghoti: hello?
#792 [11:47] <ubuntuchosen> :
#793 [11:47] <ubuntuchosen> :(
#794 [11:48] <Kealper> :/
#795 [11:48] <ubuntuchosen> x(
#796 [11:49] <ubuntuchosen> AG_Scott: u r using windows?
#797 [11:49] <AG_Scott> No.
#798 [11:49] <AG_Scott> I just showed you a screenshot ._.
#799 [11:49] <ubuntuchosen> pwned
#800 [11:49] <Kealper> afk
#801 [11:49] <ubuntuchosen> and u r gtk is?
#802 [11:49] <AG_Scott> huh
#803 [11:50] <ubuntuchosen> dont know that kind of gtks
#804 [11:50] <ubuntuchosen> ok that wasn't funny
#805 [11:50] <ubuntuchosen> it seems u dont want to help me with my problem :)
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#807 [11:51] <AG_Scott> I haven't a clue what you're saying ;p
#808 [11:51] <AG_Scott> But I'm not much help with client issues.
#809 [11:51] <ubuntuchosen> Are you experienced with AMD/ATi drivers for ubuntu?
#810 [11:51] <Gril---18> http://www.erzurumoltutasi25.tr.gg/
#811 [11:51] <Gril---18> http://www.erzurumoltutasi25.tr.gg/
#812 [11:51] <Gril---18> http://www.erzurumoltutasi25.tr.gg/
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#814 [11:52] <AG_Scott> retarded bots
#815 [11:52] <AG_Scott> no ubuntuchosen
#816 [11:52] <ubuntuchosen> ok
#817 [11:53] * ubuntuchosen is confused
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#818 [11:56] <lilybet> how do you make skins
#819 [11:57] <lilybet> ;;d;d;d;d;d;d;d;d;d;d;d;d;d;dd;d;;;d;d;d;d;d;d;d;d;d;d;d;d;d;dd;;d;sd;sd;sdsd;sdsdsdsdssdsdsdsdsdsdsdsd
#820 [11:57] <lilybet> s
#821 [11:57] <lilybet> s
#822 [11:57] <lilybet> s
#823 [11:57] <lilybet> s
#824 [11:57] <lilybet> s
#825 [11:57] <ubuntuchosen> haha
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#827 [11:57] <lilybet> booom
#828 [11:57] <AG_Scott> wtf
#829 [11:57] <lilybet> i got bored
#830 [11:57] <lilybet> way bored
#831 [11:58] <AG_Scott> Well stop it
#832 [11:58] <lilybet> kk
#833 [11:58] <AG_Scott> Or you will be removed.
#834 [11:58] <lilybet> how do you make skins
#835 [11:58] <lilybet> kk
#836 [11:59] <lilybet> AG-Scott you want me to stop being bored tham amswer mty queat pls
#837 [11:59] <lilybet> that last [art didint vome out riht
#838 [12:00] <lilybet> how do you make skins
#839 [12:01] <ubuntuchosen> lilybet: there are programs for making skins
#840 [12:01] <ubuntuchosen> lilybet: you can find them on official minecraft forums, its easy as 1,2,3
#841 [12:01] <ubuntuchosen> lilybet: i found them even when i didnt seek
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#843 [12:01] <lilybet> 1,2,3 is very easy, but where would i find them
#844 [12:01] <CruelNoise> there's a nutter in here?
#845 [12:02] <ubuntuchosen> http://www.minecraftforum.net/index.php
#846 [12:02] <AG_Scott> yes
#847 [12:02] <ubuntuchosen> http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=176&sid=c6c04e8f69c00c7ca63947a4f0098d3a
#848 [12:02] <AG_Scott> read above CruelNoise lol
#849 [12:02] <ubuntuchosen> lilybet: http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=4843&sid=c6c04e8f69c00c7ca63947a4f0098d3a
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#851 [12:02] <ubuntuchosen> was that really that difficult?
#852 [12:02] <ubuntuchosen> afk
#853 [12:03] <lilybet> im not understanding where your sending me... i went there so do i click on skins
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#855 [12:04] <Sarkdog> I need some help
#856 [12:04] <Sarkdog> this game got boring
#857 [12:04] <Sarkdog> what to make it more fun?
#858 [12:04] <lilybet> how do i MAKE skins not ask requests
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#860 [12:04] <lilybet> sarkdog: hard mode
#861 [12:04] <Yoradorc> hi
#862 [12:04] <Yoradorc> anyone can help me?
#863 [12:05] <Sarkdog> what is different of hard mode?
#864 [12:05] <Yoradorc> my friend just made a server
#865 [12:05] <Yoradorc> but I cant join
#866 [12:05] <Yoradorc> what ip should I put?
#867 [12:05] <CruelNoise> Yoradorc: what IP are you trying to connect to?
#868 [12:05] <lilybet> sarkdog: more creepers, zombies, less chance of finding coal and other items
#869 [12:05] <CruelNoise> Like, you say you can't join, what're you trying?
#870 [12:06] <Yoradorc> external ip of him
#871 [12:06] <Yoradorc> i think
#872 [12:06] <Sarkdog> I'll wait till pets are here
#873 [12:06] <CruelNoise> Just tell me the number.
#874 [12:06] <lilybet> how do you make skins.. can anyone tell me that
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#876 [12:07] <Yoradorc> 192.168.1.1
#877 [12:07] <Yoradorc> that one
#878 [12:07] <Yoradorc> and 192.168.1.2
#879 [12:07] <CruelNoise> Okay, that woul dbe his internal IP
#880 [12:07] <Yoradorc> oh shit
#881 [12:07] <lilybet> lmao
#882 [12:07] <CruelNoise> lilybet: you download the reference and art.
#883 [12:07] <CruelNoise> art is a verbn
#884 [12:07] <Yoradorc> how can i reach that?
#885 [12:07] <lilybet> what does that mean
#886 [12:08] <CruelNoise> well, ask him to go to a site like whatismyip.com
#887 [12:08] <CruelNoise> lilybet: get the reference from here http://www.minecraft.net/skin/
#888 [12:08] <CruelNoise> lilybet: and edit to your satisfaction
#889 [12:08] <Yoradorc> CruelNoise
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#891 [12:09] <Yoradorc> is the port needed?
#892 [12:09] <CruelNoise> yes
#893 [12:09] <CruelNoise> so x.x.x.x:port
#894 [12:09] <Yoradorc> what port can I use?
#895 [12:09] <Yoradorc> lol
#896 [12:09] <ReNova> i get a black screen after a random amount of time playing minecraft, any help?
#897 [12:09] <CruelNoise> well, he has to forward the port for his server.
#898 [12:09] <ReNova> 25565
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#900 [12:09] <ubuntuchosen> ReNova: Did you google before entering this?
#901 [12:09] <ReNova> i did
#902 [12:09] <CruelNoise> I think it's usually 25565, yeah
#903 [12:09] <ubuntuchosen> ReNova: Running windows?
#904 [12:10] <ReNova> ye
#905 [12:10] <CruelNoise> ReNova: have the java console open, and see if there's any strange output when that happens.
#906 [12:10] <lilybet> every time it says edit skin i clixk on it and i just get a 2d version of default on paper
#907 [12:10] <CruelNoise> yep
#908 [12:10] <lilybet> is that supposed to happen
#909 [12:10] <Yoradorc> it said the same thing
#910 [12:10] <CruelNoise> get an image editing program
#911 [12:10] <CruelNoise> and edit it
#912 [12:10] <ubuntuchosen> ReNova: Did u check this vid? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETk_UyXcl9Y
#913 [12:10] <Yoradorc> connection timedout
#914 [12:11] <CruelNoise> Yoradorc: are you sure your friend has forwarded the port?
#915 [12:11] <CruelNoise> can you get him in here?
#916 [12:11] <lilybet> *Jurassic park theme playing*
#917 [12:11] <Yoradorc> he's in the server
#918 [12:11] <ReNova> lol how to open the java console
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#920 [12:12] <lilybet> sorry i needed to put that in
#921 [12:12] <ubuntuchosen> Yoradorc: So you guys are trying to play together directly?
#922 [12:12] <ubuntuchosen> not like hamachi, tunngle
#923 [12:12] <ubuntuchosen> right?
#924 [12:12] <CruelNoise> ReNova: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+open+the+java+console&l=1
#925 [12:12] <xales> :o
#926 [12:12] <lilybet> every time i click edit it just gives me 2d default
#927 [12:12] <Yoradorc> we tried to use hamachi
#928 [12:13] <Yoradorc> but it didnt work
#929 [12:13] <ubuntuchosen> didnt?
#930 [12:13] <xales> ??> Yoradorc fubar/hamachi
#931 [12:13] <VoxelHead> Yoradorc: (fubar/hamachi) Hamachi has been squatting on a previously unallocated IP address space. This block of addresses, 5.0.0.0/8, has been allocated by IANA. As such, Hamachi conflicts with the internat. As such, #MineCraftHelp will neither support nor assist with server network issues for hosts using Hamachi for connectivity.
#932 [12:13] <VoxelHead> Yoradorc: (fubar/hamachi) If you are using Hamachi, use a different solution such as proper port forwarding, or a VPN.
#933 [12:13] <ubuntuchosen> I used to play with my brother through hamachi, and it worked properly
#934 [12:13] <CruelNoise> lilybet: have you ever used MS Paint before?
#935 [12:13] <lilybet> nope dont even know what it damn stands for
#936 [12:14] <CruelNoise> lilybet: what operating system you on?
#937 [12:14] <lilybet> five examples me confused
#938 [12:14] <CruelNoise> lilybet: mac or windows
#939 [12:14] <ubuntuchosen> ReNova: http://www.timashley.me/node/596
#940 [12:14] <lilybet> not five, give
#941 [12:14] <lilybet> windows
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#944 [12:15] <ubuntuchosen> lilybet: http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=4843&sid=c6c04e8f69c00c7ca63947a4f0098d3a
#945 [12:15] <CruelNoise> lilybet: Windows 7, Vista or XP?
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#947 [12:15] <Yoradorc> CruelNoise
#948 [12:15] <Yoradorc> he's here
#949 [12:15] <Yoradorc> its Craftdemon
#950 [12:15] <lilybet> xp i think
#951 [12:15] <Craftdemon> sup
#952 [12:15] <ubuntuchosen> lilybet: u think?
#953 [12:15] <ubuntuchosen> lilybet: not sure?
#954 [12:16] <CruelNoise> Craftdemon: so Yoradorc is having trouble connecting to your server.
#955 [12:16] <CruelNoise> Craftdemon: have you forwarded the port?
#956 [12:16] <ubuntuchosen> lilybet: Do you know how to take a screenshot?
#957 [12:16] <Craftdemon> yes
#958 [12:16] <lilybet> no i just asked and its xp
#959 [12:16] <xales> hi everyone
#960 [12:16] <ubuntuchosen> lilybet: A screenshot can be taken by pressing the prt scr key on your keyboard
#961 [12:16] <xales> what's the problems we are all having now?
#962 [12:17] <lilybet> hello xlaes
#963 [12:17] <Yoradorc> CruelNoise
#964 [12:17] <ubuntuchosen> lilybet: then open PAINT in windows and press CTRL + V
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#966 [12:17] <Yoradorc> can you join a room?
#967 [12:17] <lilybet> excuse me
#968 [12:17] <ubuntuchosen> lilybet: what?
#969 [12:17] <Yoradorc> #mcwazza
#970 [12:17] <CruelNoise> Yoradorc: I would assume so.
#971 [12:17] <lilybet> scr key
#972 [12:17] <ubuntuchosen> xales: r u an ubuntu expert?
#973 [12:17] <ubuntuchosen> lilybet: prt scr, print screen
#974 [12:17] <lilybet> prt scr key????
#975 [12:17] <xales> ubuntuchosen: I know quite a bit about Linux, and Debian (Ubuntu is based on Debian), but have very little experience with Ubuntu specifically
#976 [12:18] <ubuntuchosen> lilybet: yep, it should be like above the num keyboard
#977 [12:18] <xales> however, stuff doesn't change very much from distro to distro
#978 [12:18] <lilybet> i pressed iy
#979 [12:18] <ubuntuchosen> xales: http://getsatisfaction.com/mojang/topics/ubuntu_minecraft_issue_probably_java
#980 [12:18] <ubuntuchosen> lilybet: now open paint
#981 [12:18] <ubuntuchosen> lilybet: and pres ctrl + v
#982 [12:18] <lilybet> how you get t opaint
#983 [12:18] <ubuntuchosen> lilybet: press the start menu
#984 [12:18] <ubuntuchosen> lilybet: All Programs
#985 [12:19] <ubuntuchosen> lilybet: then acessories
#986 [12:19] <ubuntuchosen> lilybet: and there's paint
#987 [12:19] <lilybet> sec...
#988 [12:19] <lilybet> izzzzz at paint
#989 [12:19] <ubuntuchosen> lilybet: ?
#990 [12:20] <lilybet> i am at paint
#991 [12:20] <lilybet> ok
#992 [12:20] <ubuntuchosen> xales: do u know how to fix that?
#993 [12:20] <lilybet> capiche
#994 [12:20] <ubuntuchosen> lilybet: press ctrl + v
#995 [12:20] <ubuntuchosen> to paste the image into paint
#996 [12:20] <xales> ubuntuchosen: is that the entire file? the stack trace is missing
#997 [12:20] <ubuntuchosen> xales: what's the stack trace?
#998 [12:21] <ubuntuchosen> lilybet: whats your status with that?
#999 [12:21] <lilybet> i might have accidentally placed this website in paint
#1000 [12:21] <ubuntuchosen> what did u wanted to take a photo of?
#1001 [12:21] <xales> !wiki stack trace
#1002 [12:21] <GreyBot> Wikipedia Found: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stack_trace
#1003 [12:21] <GreyBot> A stack trace (also called stack backtrace or stack traceback) is a report of the active stack frames at a certain point in time during the execution of a program.
#1004 [12:21] <lilybet> you told me to take a photo of something
#1005 [12:22] <ubuntuchosen> lilybet: yep, so save the file
#1006 [12:22] <ubuntuchosen> save the image
#1007 [12:22] <xales> ubuntuchosen: what problem is lilybet having?
#1008 [12:22] <lilybet> woah backtrace here
#1009 [12:22] <ubuntuchosen> xales: i think he's trying to edit some skin
#1010 [12:22] <lilybet> trying to make a skin
#1011 [12:22] <ubuntuchosen> xales: and someone told him to take a screenshot
#1012 [12:22] <ubuntuchosen> so im trying to make a screenshot with him
#1013 [12:23] <ubuntuchosen> lilybet: so its saved on your desktop or anywhere, right?
#1014 [12:23] <lilybet> i dont have a screenshot
#1015 [12:23] <lilybet> plus of ehat
#1016 [12:23] <ubuntuchosen> xales: well, im from czech republic, i dont know english so well, so i dont know what stack trace is
#1017 [12:23] <lilybet> the default
#1018 [12:23] <ubuntuchosen> lilybet: what did u do then?
#1019 [12:24] <lilybet> im no paint lets start from there
#1020 [12:24] <ubuntuchosen> lilybet: what country r u from?
#1021 [12:24] <lilybet> kk
#1022 [12:24] <xales> ubuntuchosen: it...should be in that file, was there any changes you made to it, or was that the whole file it gave you
#1023 [12:24] <lilybet> u.s.a
#1024 [12:24] <ubuntuchosen> xales: you mean the log file
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#1026 [12:24] <ubuntuchosen> lilybet: and how old r u?
#1027 [12:25] <lilybet> tmi
#1028 [12:25] <lilybet> niot answering
#1029 [12:25] <ubuntuchosen> lilybet: try to type proper english please :D
#1030 [12:25] <xales> ubuntuchosen: yeah, it's a part of the log file you gave me
#1031 [12:25] <lilybet> i am mor eof a xbox player than typer
#1032 [12:25] <lilybet> more of
#1033 [12:25] <lilybet> :p
#1034 [12:26] <ubuntuchosen> xales: wait a sec
#1035 [12:26] <ubuntuchosen> lilybet: ask xales for this, need a sec for myself now
#1036 [12:26] * Chr|s is installing ubuntu
#1036 [12:26] <Chr|s> bbl
#1037 [12:26] <Chr|s> :D
#1038 [12:26] <ubuntuchosen> Chr|s: good luck
#1039 [12:26] <Chr|s> ehh i have used it before, I will basically be using the cli :D
#1040 [12:27] <Chr|s> working on a server remotely got me liking it again
#1041 [12:27] <ubuntuchosen> :)
#1042 [12:27] <Chr|s> bbl guys
#1043 [12:27] <ubuntuchosen> xales: ok, new status
#1044 [12:27] <ubuntuchosen> b
#1045 [12:27] <ubuntuchosen> bl
#1046 [12:28] <ubuntuchosen> xales: now when i try to join a server, it freezes
#1047 [12:28] <ubuntuchosen> and gives me an log file
#1048 [12:28] <xales> can you play singleplayer?
#1049 [12:28] <ubuntuchosen> i'll try, w8 a sec
#1050 [12:28] <lilybet> so what do i do on paint
#1051 [12:28] <lilybet> ill be playing minecraft
#1052 [12:28] <ubuntuchosen> lilybet: press ctrl + v in paint
#1053 [12:29] <ubuntuchosen> xales: when i try to play SP, it crashes as usually
#1054 [12:29] <lilybet> all it does is bring mibbit into the paint box
#1055 [12:29] <ubuntuchosen> yep
#1056 [12:30] <ubuntuchosen> then save the file
#1057 [12:30] <xales> ubuntuchosen: can you open a Terminal, run `lshw` and pastebin the output of that?
#1058 [12:30] <lilybet> me save file or someone else save the file
#1059 [12:31] <ubuntuchosen> lilybet: you
#1060 [12:31] <ubuntuchosen> xales: ok w8 a sec
#1061 [12:31] <lilybet> kk
#1062 [12:31] <lilybet> saving
#1063 [12:31] <ubuntuchosen> xales: in sudo mode?
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#1065 [12:31] <lilybet> saved under mibbit(named it that)
#1066 [12:31] <ubuntuchosen> lilybet: then open up http://www.imagehosting.byl.cz and upload that image
#1067 [12:32] <xales> ubuntuchosen: no, just normal. doesn't matter
#1068 [12:32] <ubuntuchosen> xales: ok, wait a sec
#1069 [12:32] <dopeghoti> Morning. Someone ping me?
#1070 [12:32] <xales> dopeghoti: probably
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#1072 [12:33] <ubuntuchosen> xales: http://pastebin.com/Y9MhCVny
#1073 [12:33] <lilybet> ubuntuchosen every time i open that website i get error 404
#1074 [12:33] <lilybet> and is it i ngerman
#1075 [12:33] <ubuntuchosen> no its czech
#1076 [12:33] <ubuntuchosen> :D
#1077 [12:33] <ubuntuchosen> try F5
#1078 [12:33] <lilybet> fine
#1079 [12:34] <lilybet> it says if i hit i will be exited out of chat
#1080 [12:34] <ubuntuchosen> wtf? :D
#1081 [12:34] <lilybet> yeah it says that
#1082 [12:35] <ubuntuchosen> try pixhost.org
#1083 [12:35] <lilybet> i czeched it out :D
#1084 [12:35] <xales> ubuntuchosen: that's..interesting, it doesn't give a model number for your graphics card
#1085 [12:35] <ubuntuchosen> i dunno if im dumb as hell or what, but i dont understand the last three msgs from u..
#1086 [12:36] <ubuntuchosen> xales: what does that mean?
#1087 [12:36] <ubuntuchosen> xales: my gtk's amd radeon hd 6850
#1088 [12:36] <lilybet> ive got pixhost
#1089 [12:36] <ubuntuchosen> lilybet: then, send me the link to the picture
#1090 [12:36] <xales> ubuntuchosen: ok, because it should say that on the lshw
#1091 [12:36] <xales> but it didn't...so something funny is going on
#1092 [12:37] <ubuntuchosen> xales: i dont think its funny :D
#1093 [12:37] <ubuntuchosen> xales: did u read the entire http://getsatisfaction.com/mojang/topics/ubuntu_minecraft_issue_probably_java ?
#1094 [12:37] <xales> did you tell Ubuntu to install the "proprietary" or "restricted" license?
#1095 [12:37] <xales> err
#1096 [12:37] <xales> not license
#1097 [12:37] <xales> driver
#1098 [12:38] <xales> oh..why are you running Minecraft with sudo?
#1099 [12:38] <lilybet> there is no writing on that page just an area to put the file and a submit buttons along with you know like is this family safe stuff
#1100 [12:38] <xales> that might be why it's not working
#1101 [12:38] <xales> lilybet: yes, upload the file to that, and then give us the link it tells you
#1102 [12:38] * dopeghoti goes to work. see y'all in a bit
#1102 [12:38] <ubuntuchosen> dopeghoti: bb
#1103 [12:38] <xales> dopeghoti: have fun |:
#1104 [12:38] <ubuntuchosen> xales: wait what?
#1105 [12:39] <ubuntuchosen> xales: i installed the drivers via the ubuntu wiki guide
#1106 [12:39] <lilybet> i name file mibbit and it says that there is no mibbit
#1107 [12:39] <ubuntuchosen> xales: it took me like 2 hours
#1108 [12:39] <lilybet> f***
#1109 [12:39] <xales> lilybet: you can't just type the name you put in paint
#1110 [12:39] <xales> you have to go find the file and click on it
#1111 [12:39] <lilybet> that takes work ughh
#1112 [12:39] <xales> ubuntuchosen: can you give me a link to that?
#1113 [12:40] <ubuntuchosen> xales: ^^
#1114 [12:40] <lilybet> secc..
#1115 [12:40] <ubuntuchosen> xales: ok w8 a sec
#1116 [12:40] <ubuntuchosen> xales: oh, im sorry :( u will have to use translator for this, i guess.. http://goo.gl/Jw6kV
#1117 [12:41] <ubuntuchosen> * gtranslator
#1118 [12:41] <ubuntuchosen> xales: hope that isn't a problem
#1119 [12:42] <xales> nope, not a problem, one sec
#1120 [12:42] <lilybet> it saym only files with jpg at the enfd are aloud and mine says bmp
#1121 [12:42] <xales> lilybet: go to paint, when you save it, change the type to jpg
#1122 [12:42] <ubuntuchosen> lilybet: ok then u have to open the file again in paint and Save it as .jpg
#1123 [12:43] <xales> ubuntuchosen: can you pastebin `fglrxinfo`
#1124 [12:43] <ubuntuchosen> http://pastebin.com/5Q1FU0Rv
#1125 [12:43] <lilybet> what wa sthat paste code again :?\/
#1126 [12:43] <ubuntuchosen> lilybet: ctrl + v ?
#1127 [12:43] <VoxelHead> I know i know, but i have to be paid in pies.
#1128 [12:43] <lilybet> yes
#1129 [12:43] <ubuntuchosen> lilybet: :)
#1130 [12:44] <xales> ubuntuchosen: have you tried not running it as root?
#1131 [12:44] <ubuntuchosen> xales: minecraft?
#1132 [12:44] <xales> yes
#1133 [12:44] <ubuntuchosen> xales: in case u mean mc i did
#1134 [12:44] <ubuntuchosen> xales: yep i did
#1135 [12:44] <xales> try
#1136 [12:44] <xales> `rm -rf ~/.minecraft`
#1137 [12:45] <xales> then run it again, not as root
#1138 [12:45] <lilybet> doing ctrl v doesnt seem to be working
#1139 [12:45] <xales> lilybet: ok, go back to the beginning. what are you trying to do
#1140 [12:45] <lilybet> take a screenshot odf mibbit
#1141 [12:46] <xales> why?
#1142 [12:46] <ubuntuchosen> xales: actually, i dunno why we are trying to screenshot something
#1143 [12:46] <ubuntuchosen> xales: OMG, i thought this would be working. but it isnt, it crashes again
#1144 [12:46] <lilybet> for me to make a minecraft charector
#1145 [12:46] <xales> what does taking a screenshot of Mibbit have to do with creating a skin?
#1146 [12:47] <xales> ubuntuchosen: is it the same error?
#1147 [12:47] <ubuntuchosen> lilybet: http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=4843&sid=c6c04e8f69c00c7ca63947a4f0098d3a
#1148 [12:47] <lilybet> ubuntuchosen : are you okay with helping 2 people
#1149 [12:47] <ubuntuchosen> xales: well, its a lil bit different
#1150 [12:47] <xales> can you put it on pastebin?
#1151 [12:47] <ubuntuchosen> lilybet: it wasnt me who started with taking a screenshot
#1152 [12:47] <ubuntuchosen> lilybet: someone started it i just continued to help u with taking a screenshot
#1153 [12:47] <lilybet> what is this website you keep sending me
#1154 [12:47] <ubuntuchosen> lilybet: dont blame me :)
#1155 [12:47] <ubuntuchosen> lilybet: skinedit
#1156 [12:47] <ubuntuchosen> lily
#1157 [12:48] <ubuntuchosen> thats a program to edit skins
#1158 [12:48] <ubuntuchosen> xales: the log?
#1159 [12:48] <lilybet> im not im asking if you are all right
#1160 [12:48] <xales> ubuntuchosen: yes
#1161 [12:48] <lilybet> bu ti want to make not edit
#1162 [12:48] <xales> making = editing
#1163 [12:48] <ubuntuchosen> lilybet: u r editing the original
#1164 [12:48] <ubuntuchosen> xales: wait
#1165 [12:48] <lilybet> and how do i follow its instructions
#1166 [12:48] <xales> by...following them
#1167 [12:48] <ubuntuchosen> lilybet: omg read them and follow them
#1168 [12:49] <lilybet> get your own help xales :(
#1169 [12:49] <lilybet> sec..
#1170 [12:49] <xales> what?
#1171 [12:49] <ubuntuchosen> lilybet: calm down
#1172 [12:49] <lilybet> sorry *breathing in and out*
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#1174 [12:50] <lilybet> so i click that soswnload button
#1175 [12:50] <lilybet> yes
#1176 [12:50] <lilybet> now
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#1178 [12:50] <ubuntuchosen> xales: http://pastebin.com/kMSGVcMJ
#1179 [12:50] <lilybet> maybe so
#1180 [12:50] <ubuntuchosen> lilybet: great
#1181 [12:50] <lilybet> so yes
#1182 [12:50] <lilybet> i do download
#1183 [12:51] <xales> ubuntuchosen: can you try these instructions? (in English, hopefully not a problem :| ) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
#1184 [12:51] <lilybet> taking "great" as yes
#1185 [12:51] <ubuntuchosen> xales: ok i'll try
#1186 [12:52] <xales> lilybet: just..follow the instructions it gives you
#1187 [12:52] <xales> it's really not that hard
#1188 [12:53] <lilybet> sec..wait i downloade dthe thing and i have a oflder up now
#1189 [12:54] <lilybet> folder that haas things like backgrounds an parts
#1190 [12:55] <ubuntuchosen> xales: ok i have to install the drivers from ubuntu, right?
#1191 [12:55] <ubuntuchosen> xales: like the official that are available in here
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#1193 [12:55] <lilybet> should i translate everything i say into czech for you
#1194 [12:55] <bstylz31> hey
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#1196 [12:55] <lilybet> i give up \
#1197 [12:55] <xales> hi
#1198 [12:55] <lilybet> i quit
#1199 [12:55] <lilybet> not worth
#1200 [12:56] <xales> lilybet: why don't you try following the instructions?
#1201 [12:56] <lilybet> just wait
#1202 [12:56] <lilybet> I AM
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#1204 [12:56] <xales> ubuntuchosen: try that, yeah
#1205 [12:56] <xales> lilybet: if you were, then it would work
#1206 [12:56] <ubuntuchosen> xales: well, it says "This Driver is activated and currently in use"
#1207 [12:56] <ubuntuchosen> lilybet: u r funny ^^
#1208 [12:57] <xales> try all the instructions on that page then
#1209 [12:57] <bstylz31> i have an question can i turn of the water? :D its just a weird question but i build an big building inside water but before i removed the water by replacing it with stones and now when i let the water in it is just like an waterfall but i wanted to have that the water is just like before is this possible or was it fail? :P
#1210 [12:57] <ubuntuchosen> xales: ok, thx
#1211 [12:58] <xales> bstylz31: you can use a map editor to easily get rid of a small part of water, but you can't completely turn it off everywhere in the game
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#1213 [12:58] <bstylz31> ok thx and with an map editor can i add water so it is the same height like before i replaced it?
#1214 [12:58] <Gil222> hi there
#1215 [12:59] <Gil222> can some help me in a problem with the loading of the game ?
#1216 [12:59] <xales> Gil222: what problem?
#1217 [12:59] <xales> bstylz31: yes
#1218 [12:59] <ubuntuchosen> xales: i dont know what the "Source Code in synaptic pck manager" means
#1219 [12:59] <Gil222> i just bought the game like a hour ago and i cant enter on the offline mode or the game by browser
#1220 [13:00] <xales> ubuntuchosen: in the package manager, it should have a "source code" option
#1221 [13:00] <Gil222> on the loading it just shutdown :S
#1222 [13:00] <xales> Gil222: you have to play online first once
#1223 [13:00] <ubuntuchosen> Gil222: what OS r u using?
#1224 [13:00] <Gil222> yes but i make the login and it shutsdown after a brief moment man
#1225 [13:00] <Gil222> every time
#1226 [13:00] <Gil222> win 7
#1227 [13:00] <Gil222> 64
#1228 [13:00] <Gil222> thats the problem ?
#1229 [13:01] <xales> no
#1230 [13:01] <ubuntuchosen> Gil222: im using win7 64 dual boot with ubuntu, and it runs perfectly on win7
#1231 [13:01] <ubuntuchosen> xales: cant find the option
#1232 [13:01] <Gil222> then tell me what i did wrong lol cause i dont know
#1233 [13:01] <ubuntuchosen> xales: do i have to write source code into the search bar or what?
#1234 [13:01] <xales> ubuntuchosen: try googling for it, I don't know where it will be :|
#1235 [13:01] <Gil222> i just install the standalone make the login and after a second it closes
#1236 [13:01] <ubuntuchosen> xales: ok
#1237 [13:01] <xales> it should be a setting or option, not a package
#1238 [13:01] <ubuntuchosen> Gil222: go to your appdata folder
#1239 [13:01] <xales> ??> Gil222 win/reinst
#1240 [13:01] <VoxelHead> Gil222: (win/reinst) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#1241 [13:01] <VoxelHead> Gil222: (win/reinst) To do so, press Win+R, type in %AppData%, and press Enter. In the window that appears, open the .minecraft directory, and delete the bin directory that you see therein. Then, try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
#1242 [13:02] <Gil222> and if i try the browser it just keeps blank the game
#1243 [13:02] <Gil222> and i updated the java
#1244 [13:02] <ubuntuchosen> Gil222: do u have java installed?
#1245 [13:02] <ubuntuchosen> ok
#1246 [13:02] <ubuntuchosen> ??> GIl222 win/reinst
#1247 [13:02] <VoxelHead> GIl222: (win/reinst) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#1248 [13:02] <VoxelHead> GIl222: (win/reinst) To do so, press Win+R, type in %AppData%, and press Enter. In the window that appears, open the .minecraft directory, and delete the bin directory that you see therein. Then, try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
#1249 [13:02] <Gil222> ok thnx
#1250 [13:03] <bstylz31> i just googled for an map editor but there are some which one would you recommend
#1251 [13:03] <xales> bstylz31: mcedit
#1252 [13:03] <bstylz31> thx
#1253 [13:03] <Gil222> ok is installing again
#1254 [13:03] <Gil222> and it closes lol i dont know why
#1255 [13:04] <Gil222> how many time it takes to install it ? cause it stays only a few secons
#1256 [13:04] <ubuntuchosen> bstylz31: try the minecraft wiki, there is an section with programs to this
#1257 [13:04] <xales> ??> Gil222 win/dxdiag
#1258 [13:04] <VoxelHead> Gil222: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "save log" file and save it to your desktop.
#1259 [13:04] <VoxelHead> Gil222: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link you are sent to, and paste it here.
#1260 [13:05] <Gil222> ok im uploading the direct x file
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#1262 [13:09] * xales brb
#1262 [13:09] <ubuntuchosen> xales: b
#1263 [13:09] <Gil222> http://pastebin.com/vHs4wKVX
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#1265 [13:11] <Thorox> is it normal, that when i purchase and press "pay" (with credit card) that im linked to a website where i have to type in more details?
#1266 [13:12] <Gil222> im using firefox RC but i already use chrome and IE and nothing seems to work http://pastebin.com/vHs4wKVX
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#1268 [13:15] <jagged> hello
#1269 [13:15] <xales> hi
#1270 [13:15] <xales> Gil222: one second
#1271 [13:15] <jagged> hello
#1272 [13:15] <jagged> i think someone is in my singleplayer mode
#1273 [13:15] <jagged> is that possible
#1274 [13:15] <xales> no
#1275 [13:15] <Gil222> yeah no problem
#1276 [13:16] <jagged> are black sheep common
#1277 [13:16] <xales> somewhat
#1278 [13:16] <xales> Gil222: you need to update your graphics card driver
#1279 [13:16] <jagged> when you spawn do you realize that half the caves have been already excavated and filled with lava
#1280 [13:17] <jagged> i could just somewhat be going crazy
#1281 [13:18] <jagged> 1 more quick queat
#1282 [13:18] <Gil222> lol what ? whY? i mean i have one ati 5870 and im seeing one friend next to me playing with the free version and he have a much lower machine
#1283 [13:18] <Gil222> but if you think that this is the problem ok
#1284 [13:18] <jagged> quest
#1285 [13:18] <xales> Gil222: just the driver, not the card itself
#1286 [13:18] <Gil222> but i dont have problem with other games :S
#1287 [13:18] <xales> the driver is just the software that tells the computer how to talk to your card
#1288 [13:18] <Gil222> ill try hope that it solves
#1289 [13:18] <jagged> is there a website for finding public servers
#1290 [13:18] <Gil222> oh ´just the driver
#1291 [13:18] <xales> ??> jagged smp/servers
#1292 [13:19] <VoxelHead> jagged: (smp/servers) There currently is no master list of all SMP servers. Fan-made indexes include http://www.mcserverlist.net/ - http://www.reddit.com/r/mcservers - http://minecraftservers.net/ - http://minecraft.dk/mcserverlist/
#1293 [13:19] <VoxelHead> jagged: (smp/servers) You can also find a list at the MC forums at http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewforum.php?f=1025. Also, try the #smp channel.
#1294 [13:19] <jagged> like bluezephos's for example
#1295 [13:19] <Gil222> ok ill try to update the driver hope it solves
#1296 [13:19] <Gil222> thnx
#1297 [13:19] <jagged> which is the website for america
#1298 [13:19] <jagged> north i mean
#1299 [13:20] <xales> there is none specific to geographic location
#1300 [13:20] <jagged> do you know who bluexephos is
#1301 [13:20] <xales> no
#1302 [13:21] <jagged> they are two brits who played minecraft and they opened a public server and i am trying to know how to find it
#1303 [13:21] <xales> did you try google?
#1304 [13:21] <jagged> sec..
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#1306 [13:24] <Lish> Could I get some help with setting up a dedicated server via VPS? My box keeps crashing every time I connect and the error log says "You need to log in!", even though I am logged in.
#1307 [13:24] <xales> ??> Lish smp/needlogin
#1308 [13:24] <VoxelHead> Lish: (smp/needlogin) If you get the message "Kicking /IP: You need to log in!" when joining a server, you are attempting to join a Classic server.
#1309 [13:24] <VoxelHead> Lish: (smp/needlogin) If you are running the server, you downloaded the wrong software. The correct software is on the same page where you download the client.
#1310 [13:24] <Lish> Odd. I've installed the correct client, though.
#1311 [13:25] <xales> not client
#1312 [13:25] <xales> server
#1313 [13:25] <Lish> Sorry, that's what I meant
#1314 [13:25] <Gil222> im sending you a file that it appears every time i try to enter the game by the shortcut. it creates every time a new one
#1315 [13:25] <jagged> no nothing even youtube has nothing :(
#1316 [13:25] <Lish> I have Minecraft_Server.exe from the download page
#1317 [13:25] <xales> and you are running that?
#1318 [13:25] <Lish> And I've tried running CraftBukkit, and the error is still occurring.
#1319 [13:25] <Lish> Yes
#1320 [13:26] <Lish> It's crashing the server when I try to connect as well, but I have a feeling the issues are related.
#1321 [13:26] <Gil222> http://pastebin.com/gMCHQ5Ux
#1322 [13:26] <Gil222> im sending you a file that it appears every time i try to enter the game by the shortcut. it creates every time a new one http://pastebin.com/gMCHQ5Ux
#1323 [13:27] <xales> Lish: is the server running Windows, or Linux?
#1324 [13:27] <Lish> Windows Server 2003
#1325 [13:27] <Lish> x64
#1326 [13:27] <xales> Gil222: yes, that error means you need to update the driver
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#1328 [13:27] <Lish> Java, drivers, Minecraft, everything was downloaded last night from appropriate official links
#1329 [13:27] <Lish> so everything is up to date
#1330 [13:27] <xales> Lish: try this
#1331 [13:27] <xales> !server
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#1333 [13:28] <Lish> okay. Just a sec, then.
#1334 [13:28] <Gil222> ok
#1335 [13:28] <ubuntu> xales: r u there?
#1336 [13:28] <xales> yeah
#1337 [13:29] <jagged> oh welll just give me a multiplayer website with the code s ot put in and that will work
#1338 [13:29] <ubuntu> xales: ok, i uninstalled the default driverers from my sys, rebooted and could log in to ubuntu only via the command line [whatever], not the GUI
#1339 [13:29] <jagged> please
#1340 [13:29] <Lish> Agh. I can't connect to it. I think my dad is logged in. You wouldn't happen to know of a way to kick someone off a vps, would you? lol
#1341 [13:29] <jagged> im so lonely
#1342 [13:29] <xales> jagged: I already did that
#1343 [13:30] <xales> Lish: you can boot someone off if you are already logged in
#1344 [13:30] <ubuntu> xales: so now im in an live session of 9.04, and i have to install the other drivers?
#1345 [13:30] <ubuntu> xales: pls gimme the link again
#1346 [13:30] <Lish> I'm not, that's the problem. :(
#1347 [13:30] <ubuntu> xales: to the english guide
#1348 [13:30] <xales> ubuntu: you won't be able to install them from the livecd environment
#1349 [13:30] <Lish> Oh well. Would someone be around at ~9pm EST? I'll be able to do some more work on it then
#1350 [13:30] <xales> you will need to log in to the CLI and do it
#1351 [13:30] <jagged> right scrolling page up
#1352 [13:30] <xales> Lish: yeah
#1353 [13:30] <xales> ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
#1354 [13:31] <ubuntu> xales: ok i'm going to print that down and install it
#1355 [13:31] <Lish> Awesome. I'll be back, then. I'll try that other installer first, though.
#1356 [13:31] <Lish> Thanks
#1357 [13:31] <ubuntu> xales: wish me luck
#1358 [13:31] <VoxelHead> Good luck!
#1359 [13:31] <xales> ^
#1360 [13:31] <ubuntu> VoxelHead: thanks :)
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#1362 [13:31] <ubuntu> bb then
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#1364 [13:32] <jagged> tanks a lot
#1365 [13:32] <jagged> gb
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#1372 [14:06] <Mixxit> my friend is trying to give mojang money but its erroring out with 'too many concurrent sessions' does anyone know how long this will take to resolve? it was hard enough to get him to get his credit card out in the first place :D
#1373 [14:07] <xales> try Paypal
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#1375 [14:07] <Mixxit> paypal caused him a massive headache a year or so ago
#1376 [14:07] <Mixxit> they held his money and since then he won't use it
#1377 [14:07] <Mixxit> (it was the first thing i suggested!)
#1378 [14:07] <xales> he will just have to wait then
#1379 [14:08] <Mixxit> i said you'd say that too! ok thanks for confirming :)
#1380 [14:08] <xales> no problem
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#1385 [14:20] <pwnus> hey guys, im having some trouble with texture mods in minecraft
#1386 [14:20] <xales> texturepacks, or actual mods?
#1387 [14:20] <pwnus> the wiki doesnt address my problem
#1388 [14:20] <pwnus> texturepack
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#1390 [14:21] <pwnus> its the norse-craft pack
#1391 [14:21] <pwnus> ill double check that it is in fact just a texture pack
#1392 [14:22] <pwnus> http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=82242
#1393 [14:23] <pwnus> looks like its 1.1 and not 1.3... is there a way to upgrade it? or is that version difference a deal breaker?
#1394 [14:23] <xales> deal breaker, sadly
#1395 [14:23] <pwnus> darn. do you know what i would need to change?
#1396 [14:24] <xales> the entire thing
#1397 [14:24] <xales> well
#1398 [14:24] <xales> you would need to add a bunch of stuff, rather
#1399 [14:24] <pwnus> darn. well thats ok. it explains why it didnt work
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#1402 [14:26] <pwnus> if im installing a "mod" over a texture pack what else would that entail? does a mod include changes to physics, sounds, the combat system etc?
#1403 [14:27] <xales> what do you mean?
#1404 [14:27] <pwnus> well a texture pack im guessing wouldn't mess with the "game" part of the game
#1405 [14:27] <pwnus> just the colurs
#1406 [14:28] <pwnus> but a mod could potentialy break online play if my client wants for example the jump distance to be "15" when every other client wants it to be "10"
#1407 [14:29] <xales> some mods break multiplayer
#1408 [14:29] <xales> most don't
#1409 [14:29] <xales> the texturepack is just a texturepack
#1410 [14:30] <xales> but it would need to be updated to function with 1.3
#1411 [14:30] <pwnus> any there any tools you know of that can do that for me? or am i looking at a night of re-structuring?
#1412 [14:30] <xales> it's not something that can be done automatically
#1413 [14:30] <xales> it's not a format issue, it's that it lacks textures for things
#1414 [14:31] <xales> for example, beds, new halfblocks, etc
#1415 [14:31] <pwnus> ok. guess ill get to learn a lot more about how this stuff works tonight when i upgrade it manualy
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#1418 [14:40] <ubuntu> xales
#1419 [14:40] <ubuntu> xales: r uhere?
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#1421 [14:41] <ubuntu> xales: hey dude
#1422 [14:41] <xales> oh hey
#1423 [14:41] <xales> sorry
#1424 [14:41] <ubuntu> xales: ok i tried that thing
#1425 [14:42] <ubuntu> xales: but when i typed aticonfig --initial it wrote that aticonfig doesnt mean anything
#1426 [14:42] <ubuntu> xales: so now i can't get the GUI, only the terminal
#1427 [14:42] <xales> did you do aticonfig as root?
#1428 [14:43] <ubuntu> GOD I HATE MYSELF
#1429 [14:43] <ubuntu> i will try.
#1430 [14:43] <ubuntu> thanks :)
#1431 [14:43] <DopeGhoti> xales: might want to write ?? linux/sudo
#1432 [14:44] <xales> :|
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#1436 [14:47] <ubuntu> xales: aticonfig : command not found
#1437 [14:47] <xales> are you sure you followed the instructions to install it correctly
#1438 [14:48] <ubuntu> yes i am
#1439 [14:48] <ubuntu> i did everything like its written in the guide
#1440 [14:48] <xales> try logging out and back in
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#1443 [14:53] <ubuntu> xales: not working
#1444 [14:54] <ubuntu> xales: i think i'll just play minecraft on w7 now, and reinstall ubuntu in the night
#1445 [14:54] <xales> ok
#1446 [14:54] <ubuntu> xales: it would be nice from u to give me your icq or skype or anything
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#1448 [14:55] <ubuntu> xales: mine's 277745312 [icq]
#1449 [14:55] <xales> I don't really go on anything but irc
#1450 [14:55] <ubuntu> ah
#1451 [14:55] <ubuntu> what country are u from
#1452 [14:55] <ubuntu> ?
#1453 [14:55] <xales> US
#1454 [14:56] <ubuntu> .)
#1455 [14:56] <ubuntu> okay bb, and thanks 4 everything.
#1456 [14:56] <ubuntu> i guess u will be here tommorrow?
#1457 [14:56] <xales> yeah
#1458 [14:56] <ubuntu> okay bye
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#1465 [15:13] <dsadas> hey
#1466 [15:13] <dsadas> anyone got an error which is "you need to login"???
#1467 [15:14] <oldtopman> No, but you need to login to get rod of it.
#1468 [15:14] <DopeGhoti> ?? smp/needlogin
#1469 [15:14] <VoxelHead> smp/needlogin: If you get the message "Kicking /IP: You need to log in!" when joining a server, you are attempting to join a Classic server.
#1470 [15:14] <VoxelHead> smp/needlogin: If you are running the server, you downloaded the wrong software. The correct software is on the same page where you download the client.
#1471 [15:14] <oldtopman> !paid dsadas
#1472 [15:14] <oldtopman> hmmm
#1473 [15:15] <oldtopman> Perhaps this is why he wouldn't log in?
#1474 [15:15] <Smarag> lol
#1475 [15:16] <Smarag> !paid Smarag
#1476 [15:16] <Smarag> !paid Notch
#1477 [15:16] <Smarag> lies.
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#1479 [15:17] <DopeGhoti> !paid Chuck Norris
#1480 [15:20] <Kealper> lol
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#1484 [15:25] <Barrylocke> helloooo boys and girls
#1485 [15:26] <VoxelHead> i wish they didn't have to go o_O
#1486 [15:26] * Kealper yawns
#1486 [15:27] <Barrylocke> so anywho
#1487 [15:27] <Kealper> accidentally picked up a bottle of diet mtn dew voltage instead of normal :/
#1488 [15:27] <Barrylocke> I have a sound question
#1489 [15:27] <Kealper> better than a mute question, i guess
#1490 [15:28] <Kealper> ask away
#1491 [15:28] <oldtopman> Or an unsound one
#1492 [15:28] <Barrylocke> for months I've never gotton the sound to work on minecraft. I would attempt to turn it on, and it was crash
#1493 [15:28] <Barrylocke> so I accepted a soundless minecraft
#1494 [15:28] <VoxelHead> minecraftless sound
#1495 [15:28] <Kealper> vox, shut up
#1496 [15:28] <VoxelHead> bah
#1497 [15:28] <Barrylocke> but recently I tried playing on inbrowser mode
#1498 [15:28] <Barrylocke> and lo and behold, sound
#1499 [15:28] <oldtopman> ?? reinstall
#1500 [15:28] <Barrylocke> ...of course, being inbrowser mode, it also runs really crappy
#1501 [15:29] * oldtopman growls
#1501 [15:29] <Kealper> vox...jesus don't shut up to that
#1502 [15:29] <oldtopman> ?? index
#1503 [15:29] * Barrylocke takes a step
#1503 [15:29] <VoxelHead> index: See http://mchelp.darksigns.net/faqindex for a list of FAQ entries
#1504 [15:29] <Barrylocke> FREEZE FOR 10 SECONDS!
#1505 [15:29] <Barrylocke> and so forth
#1506 [15:29] <Kealper> ?? win/reinst
#1507 [15:29] <VoxelHead> win/reinst: You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#1508 [15:29] <VoxelHead> win/reinst: To do so, press Win+R, type in %AppData%, and press Enter. In the window that appears, open the .minecraft directory, and delete the bin directory that you see therein. Then, try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
#1509 [15:29] <oldtopman> ??> Barrylocke win/reinst
#1510 [15:29] <Kealper> ninja'd
#1511 [15:29] <oldtopman> Kealper!!!
#1512 [15:31] <Barrylocke> no dice, I'm afraid
#1513 [15:31] <Barrylocke> oh, there was one thing I forgot to mention, hold up
#1514 [15:32] <Barrylocke> the log report
#1515 [15:33] <Barrylocke> suggests that java may have something to do with it, but I've reinstalled java many times between when I started playing minecraft and now
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#1517 [15:33] <Barrylocke> including just a couple days ago
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#1520 [15:33] <Barrylocke> Problematic frame:
#1521 [15:33] <Barrylocke> # V [jvm.dll+0xa20cd]
#1522 [15:34] <Kealper> reinstall java
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#1524 [15:35] <frogonia> My server keeps kicking me and telling me im not logged in...can anyone help?
#1525 [15:35] <Kealper> is it saying "You need to log in!" when you try to join?
#1526 [15:35] <oldtopman> !paid frogonia
#1527 [15:36] <frogonia> yes
#1528 [15:36] <oldtopman> Another one already?
#1529 [15:36] <Kealper> !server
#1530 [15:36] <Kealper> you downloaded the classic server software, and tried to connect with the beta client
#1531 [15:36] <frogonia> yes.
#1532 [15:37] <Kealper> click the link that AuBot gave that corrisponds with your OS
#1533 [15:37] <Kealper> and delete that current server's folder, becuase that stuff won't work with the beta
#1534 [15:37] <frogonia> what do you mean by that?
#1535 [15:38] <Kealper> the folder that you ran your server from, delete that because none of those files for the classic server will work correctly with the beta server
#1536 [15:39] <frogonia> ok...i opened Aubot's thing.
#1537 [15:39] <Kealper> you're on windows, right?
#1538 [15:39] <frogonia> it is open and running...yes windows
#1539 [15:40] <Kealper> well, if you downloaded it, put it in the folder you wanted to keep it in, and ran it, that is it
#1540 [15:40] <frogonia> ok. i will test it
#1541 [15:40] <Barrylocke> well
#1542 [15:40] <Barrylocke> ill be back in a moment with what happens
#1543 [15:41] <oldtopman> Why is it always so lonely on smp when nobody is there?
#1544 [15:41] <Kealper> because you're the only one on the server? :P
#1545 [15:41] <oldtopman> yeah
#1546 [15:41] <oldtopman> The silence...
#1547 [15:42] <frogonia> ok. it opened but now i am falling through everthing??
#1548 [15:43] <Kealper> hmm....did you connect with "localhost" or your internal IP?
#1549 [15:43] <Kealper> also, what kind of computer do you have? (specs?_
#1550 [15:43] <frogonia> localhost
#1551 [15:43] <Kealper> )*
#1552 [15:43] <Kealper> try it's internal IP
#1553 [15:43] <frogonia> ok
#1554 [15:45] <frogonia> i am still just falling... im not sure what the specs on my computer are but it can handle intense games, so i dont see why this would be a problem.
#1555 [15:46] <Kealper> well, "intense games" usually don't require as much ram as minecraft does
#1556 [15:46] <frogonia> how much ram is required?
#1557 [15:46] <Kealper> do you have atleast 3-4gb of ram in your computer?
#1558 [15:46] <Kealper> becuase the client requires 1gb, and the server requires 1gb
#1559 [15:46] <Kealper> and then windows vista/7 require...~1gb
#1560 [15:46] <frogonia> that may be the problem. i have two gb.
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#1562 [15:47] <Kealper> ahh, yeah, that would do it if the server was trying to run off pagefile instead of ram :/
#1563 [15:47] <Kealper> got another computer laying around? lol
#1564 [15:47] <frogonia> ah. so i need more ram?
#1565 [15:47] <Kealper> to play and host off the same computer, it looks like it :/
#1566 [15:48] <frogonia> ok. thanks
#1567 [15:48] <xales> Kealper, do you know what bitlbee is?
#1568 [15:48] <Kealper> si senor
#1569 [15:49] <xales> I just got it set up on my server again :3
#1570 [15:49] <xales> but it took 3 seconds
#1571 [15:49] <xales> not 10 minutes
#1572 [15:49] <xales> like debian
#1573 [15:49] <xales> :D
#1574 [15:49] <Kealper> stop making me love Arch even more >:(
#1575 [15:50] <Kealper> and hating windows for being windows
#1576 [15:50] <Kealper> so xales....i learned something
#1577 [15:50] <xales> Windows sucks?
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#1579 [15:51] <Kealper> no, everyone already knew that
#1580 [15:51] <xales> :P
#1581 [15:52] <Kealper> don't use port 17 on a program that you made a long time ago that does not have the ability to auto update
#1582 [15:52] <gildorien> i bought game and what to do now guys
#1583 [15:52] <Kealper> !tutorial
#1584 [15:52] <Kealper> watch that video
#1585 [15:53] <Kealper> and if you're interested and have time to kill, check out some other videos by paulsoaresjr
#1586 [15:53] <Kealper> anywho.... xales...did you know that port 17 is the default port for the world's most useless but awesome protocol?
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#1588 [15:54] <Kealper> one called QOTD....
#1589 [15:54] <xales> yes
#1590 [15:54] <Kealper> Quote Of The Day...
#1591 [15:54] <Kealper> lol
#1592 [15:54] <xales> quote of the day
#1593 [15:54] <xales> :D
#1594 [15:54] <gildorien> cant i play multiplayer?
#1595 [15:54] <xales> gildorien: you can
#1596 [15:54] <Kealper> gildorien: yes
#1597 [15:54] <gildorien> how
#1598 [15:54] <xales> click the "multiplayer" button after you open the game
#1599 [15:54] <Kealper> well, you can find a server from here: http://mcseverlist.net and then do what xales said
#1600 [15:54] <gildorien> i need IP
#1601 [15:55] <xales> ??> gildorien smp/servers
#1602 [15:55] <VoxelHead> gildorien: (smp/servers) There currently is no master list of all SMP servers. Fan-made indexes include http://www.mcserverlist.net/ - http://www.reddit.com/r/mcservers - http://minecraftservers.net/ - http://minecraft.dk/mcserverlist/
#1603 [15:55] <VoxelHead> gildorien: (smp/servers) You can also find a list at the MC forums at http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewforum.php?f=1025. Also, try the #smp channel.
#1604 [15:55] <xales> Kealper
#1605 [15:55] <xales> do /save
#1606 [15:55] <xales> and /layout save
#1607 [15:55] <Kealper> why? i haven't changed anything :/
#1608 [15:55] <oldtopman> gildorien: usually a good idea to ask in #smp.
#1609 [15:55] <xales> Kealper: do it anyway? :P
#1610 [15:56] <Kealper> i think i know where this is going
#1611 [15:56] <xales> where?
#1612 [15:56] <xales> :P
#1613 [15:56] <gildorien> im not on whitelist
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#1615 [15:56] <Barrylocke> yo again
#1616 [15:56] <Kealper> well there is a reason you want me to save everything, and i have a feeling the next thing is to connect to my server's ftp
#1617 [15:56] <xales> then you picked a server with whitelisting
#1618 [15:56] <xales> try another server
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#1620 [15:56] <Aiero> Hi guys
#1621 [15:57] <xales> Kealper: who uses ftp? :|
#1622 [15:57] <Aiero> Can someone help?
#1623 [15:57] <xales> hi Aiero
#1624 [15:57] <gildorien> i have played a multiplayers server when i was free user , and its the same like premium user?
#1625 [15:57] <xales> with?
#1626 [15:57] <Aiero> I need to contact Mojang..
#1627 [15:57] <Barrylocke> reinstalling java didn't work for the sound, and neither did reinstalling the minecraft bins in .minecraft
#1628 [15:57] <xales> gildorien: no, it's different
#1629 [15:57] <xales> Aiero: about?
#1630 [15:57] <Aiero> About publishing a book, containing all the minecraft awesome Fan Art.
#1631 [15:57] <Kealper> xales: when it's as easy as windows makes it, ya tend to like it
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#1633 [15:57] <Aiero> http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1018&t=227471.
#1634 [15:57] <Aiero> We know we need permission before we can even do anything of the sort.
#1635 [15:58] <xales> http://www.minecraft.net/copyright.jsp
#1636 [15:58] <xales> pretty sure that covers it
#1637 [15:58] <Aiero> Hmm.
#1638 [15:58] <Kealper> yeah, contact Mojang, but if you do ask, i'm sure they'd be happy to let you, and might even share some stuff for content
#1639 [15:58] <xales> but, the only real thing I can suggest for actually contacting them is to tweet Daniel and Carl on twitter
#1640 [15:58] <Aiero> We want to make sure though
#1641 [15:59] <Aiero> We don't want to do anything illegal o_O
#1642 [15:59] <xales> or, rather
#1643 [15:59] <gildorien> at this moment the single player is the same like for free user ..
#1644 [15:59] <xales> email daniel@mojang.com too
#1645 [15:59] <xales> gildorien: did you download it?
#1646 [15:59] <Kealper> gildorien: you did click to play beta instead of classic, right? lol
#1647 [16:00] <oldtopman> gildorien: Did you download the beta?
#1648 [16:00] <Aiero> Okay.
#1649 [16:00] <oldtopman> KEALPER!!!
#1650 [16:00] <Kealper> :P
#1651 [16:00] <VoxelHead> So, like, i like kealper.
#1652 [16:00] <Aiero> Thanks guys!
#1653 [16:00] <oldtopman> You live to ninja me don't you.
#1654 [16:00] <Kealper> VoxelHead: <3
#1655 [16:00] <gildorien> i dont know :P please help me ;D
#1656 [16:00] <Kealper> oldtopman: indeed
#1657 [16:00] <xales> gildorien: http://minecraft.net/download.jsp
#1658 [16:00] <gildorien> yes i downloaded this for windows
#1659 [16:00] <gildorien> and downloaded updates
#1660 [16:00] <xales> and did you open the .exe?
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#1662 [16:01] <gildorien> . exe?
#1663 [16:01] <xales> the file you downloaded
#1664 [16:01] <gildorien> yes
#1665 [16:01] <xales> did you open it?
#1666 [16:01] <gildorien> i opened
#1667 [16:01] <xales> and you logged in?
#1668 [16:02] <gildorien> yep
#1669 [16:02] <xales> ok...what are you trying to do, then
#1670 [16:03] <oldtopman> <gildorien> at this moment the single player is the same like for free user ..
#1671 [16:03] <oldtopman> I do believe he is right in that aspect
#1672 [16:03] <gildorien> how can i make my image
#1673 [16:03] <gildorien> in multiplayer i see people with their own clothes
#1674 [16:03] <oldtopman> gildorien: You have to do skins
#1675 [16:04] <gildorien> how
#1676 [16:05] <xales> find one that you want on the internet
#1677 [16:05] <xales> and upload it at http://minecraft.net/
#1678 [16:05] <xales> you click the "profile" button
#1679 [16:06] <gildorien> when there will be somethink different at singleplayer
#1680 [16:07] <xales> there already is
#1681 [16:07] <xales> singleplayer is very different from the paid one
#1682 [16:07] <xales> err
#1683 [16:07] <xales> free one
#1684 [16:07] <xales> the free one is almost a different game
#1685 [16:07] <Barrylocke> free minecraft is like virtual legos
#1686 [16:07] <gildorien> ehh ? why i have played free one and now i have purshaed a premium at still same
#1687 [16:08] <oldtopman> !paid gildorien
#1688 [16:08] <oldtopman> ...
#1689 [16:08] <oldtopman> gildorien: Your minecraft username is gildorien right?
#1690 [16:08] <gildorien> i paid
#1691 [16:08] <gildorien> i have translaction id
#1692 [16:08] <gildorien> no
#1693 [16:08] <gildorien> my username is
#1694 [16:08] <gildorien> gildorien1
#1695 [16:09] <oldtopman> !paid gildorien1
#1696 [16:09] <oldtopman> there you go
#1697 [16:09] <gildorien> ..
#1698 [16:09] <xales> did you go to "singleplayer" from the file you downloaded?
#1699 [16:10] <oldtopman> Just checking, you would have been the third in an hour to complain about features even though you hadn't paid
#1700 [16:10] <gildorien> yea
#1701 [16:10] <gildorien> so im still free user?
#1702 [16:10] <gildorien> i must wait?
#1703 [16:10] <oldtopman> No you aren't
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#1705 [16:10] <oldtopman> Did you watch the video?
#1706 [16:11] <gildorien> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MqkEZn8pN4&feature=player_embedded
#1707 [16:11] <gildorien> this?
#1708 [16:12] <xales> !tutorial
#1709 [16:12] <xales> that
#1710 [16:12] <xales> yes
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#1712 [16:14] <Taji34> Hey I've been having an issue where minecraft goes unresponsive and freezes at random times during gameplay, any ideas on what could be causing it?
#1713 [16:14] <xales> try turning down the view distance
#1714 [16:14] <xales> also, do you have any mods running?
#1715 [16:15] <Taji34> Yes i do have mods running.
#1716 [16:15] <gildorien> what mods can give me
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#1718 [16:16] <xales> Taji34: that is probably related
#1719 [16:16] <xales> gildorien: it depends. we don't offer any help with mods
#1720 [16:17] <Barrylocke> so
#1721 [16:18] <AG_Scott> #risucraft is the mod channel
#1722 [16:18] <Barrylocke> I had tried both reinstalling java and reinstalling the .bin files for .minecraft
#1723 [16:18] <Barrylocke> but that didn't fix my sound issues
#1724 [16:18] <xales> what is the issue?
#1725 [16:18] <Barrylocke> again, sound seems to work inbrowser, but inbrowser runs minecraft pretty poorly
#1726 [16:19] <Barrylocke> if I try to turn sound or music on in the .exe
#1727 [16:19] <Barrylocke> it freezes for a split second, and then crashes
#1728 [16:19] <xales> update sound card driver
#1729 [16:20] <Taji34> ok, i'll see if the mod channel knows what could be the problem since it is most likely the mod's i'm running that are doing it.
#1730 [16:21] <DopeGhoti> ??> Barrylocke win/profile
#1731 [16:21] <VoxelHead> Barrylocke: (win/profile) It may be helpful to isolate whether this is a problem with your user account, or with your system as a whole.
#1732 [16:21] <VoxelHead> Barrylocke: (win/profile) Please create a new user profile, log in as that user, and try Minecraft from there. If it works, there's something on your profile that's breaking Java or Minecraft. If not, there's something amiss with your system as a whole.
#1733 [16:23] <gildorien> guys , i cant upload a skin to my profile , so im not premium user or what
#1734 [16:24] <DopeGhoti> define 'can't'.
#1735 [16:24] <DopeGhoti> ?? mc.net/skins
#1736 [16:24] <VoxelHead> mc.net/skins: Skin uploading will appear not to do anything at minecraft.net. However, if you have uploaded a new skin file, it *will* work in-game. Give it a try! (:
#1737 [16:26] <gildorien> mc.net/skins
#1738 [16:26] <gildorien> dont work for me
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#1740 [16:26] <Barrylocke> ok, I'll give that a shot
#1741 [16:26] <AG_Scott> since this is just funny: http://i53.tinypic.com/fad5xy.png
#1742 [16:26] <VoxelHead> Mmm Barrylocke.
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#1744 [16:30] <DopeGhoti> gildorien: wha?
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#1751 [16:39] <Sabay> hello
#1752 [16:40] <DopeGhoti> 'lo
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#1754 [16:40] <Sabay> im trying to get my mc server set up and cant seem to get other people to join
#1755 [16:40] <DopeGhoti> when they try, do you see anything on the server log?
#1756 [16:40] <Sabay> i mean they are unable to
#1757 [16:40] <Sabay> 1 sec
#1758 [16:40] <DopeGhoti> do your clients report any error messages?
#1759 [16:42] <Sabay> no they dont
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#1761 [16:42] <Barrylocke> hello again
#1762 [16:42] <Sabay> well i have to connect using 192.168.1.3
#1763 [16:42] <Barrylocke> creating a test account didn't work either
#1764 [16:42] <Sabay> can u try to help me over TeamViewer
#1765 [16:42] <Barrylocke> same results: it freezes for a splitsecond, and then crashes
#1766 [16:42] <DopeGhoti> Sabay: not from work I can't (:
#1767 [16:42] <DopeGhoti> Sabay: but others can't use that IP address; that's a LAN address
#1768 [16:43] <DopeGhoti> Sabay: you need to give them your actual IP
#1769 [16:43] <Barrylocke> one thing I did notice ist hat whenever it reinstalls the files, it crashes the first time
#1770 [16:43] <Barrylocke> i assume because the music being on is the default, and after it crashes it turns it and the sound off
#1771 [16:43] <DopeGhoti> ??> Sabay ip/external
#1772 [16:43] <VoxelHead> Sabay: (ip/external) Places to go to learn your external (WAN) IP address: http://www.ipchicken.com/ http://www.moanmyip.com/ http://www.whatismyip.com/
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#1774 [16:44] <DopeGhoti> Barrylocke: definitely try reinstalling your sound drivers then
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#1777 [16:48] <VoxelHead> Bye thermi.
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#1780 [16:48] <gildorien> why when im triying to connect server there's a message ' bad login '
#1781 [16:48] <ddl303\> Its me Sabay
#1782 [16:48] <ddl303\> ya i had my external already
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#1784 [16:49] <ddl303\> but i cant even connect to that
#1785 [16:50] <xales> did you port forward?
#1786 [16:50] <xales> gildorien: when you said "free version" before
#1787 [16:50] <xales> did you mean the one on minecraft.net or one you downloaded from elsewhere
#1788 [16:51] <ddl303\> yes i did
#1789 [16:52] <ddl303\> i forwarded them but i dont think it worked
#1790 [16:52] <ddl303\> can u get on my team viewer and check?
#1791 [16:52] <gildorien> i downloaded from elsewhere
#1792 [16:52] <gildorien> why u ask
#1793 [16:53] <xales> ...because that wasn't the free version
#1794 [16:53] <xales> that was an illegal copy of the paid version
#1795 [16:53] <xales> ddl303\: unfortunately, not at the moment
#1796 [16:53] <gildorien> xales
#1797 [16:53] <ddl303\> ok
#1798 [16:54] <ddl303\> can anyone?
#1799 [16:54] <gildorien> so if i bought a game i just lost money?;;/
#1800 [16:54] <xales> gildorien: no, you bought it legally
#1801 [16:54] <xales> the way you were playing before was illegal
#1802 [16:54] <xales> you are not allowed to play the game if you did not buy it
#1803 [16:54] <xales> but you did
#1804 [16:54] <gildorien> but that was the same..
#1805 [16:54] <xales> yes, but it was not allowed
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#1807 [16:54] <gildorien> ...
#1808 [16:55] <gildorien> so what i can do other now if i have got legal wersion
#1809 [16:55] <SkiingPenguins> you played Minecraft ILLEGALLY and that wasnt nice i suppose
#1810 [16:55] <gildorien> version
#1811 [16:55] <xales> you can play multiplayer or you can play it legally
#1812 [16:55] <xales> that is all
#1813 [16:55] <xales> playing the "free" version is the same as stealing it
#1814 [16:56] <gildorien> so i lost money;>
#1815 [16:56] <lemon-rev> gildorien wtf you trying to do with minecraft
#1816 [16:57] <xales> gildorien: no, you didn't
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#1818 [16:57] <DopeGhoti> gildorien: if you bought the game, you're all set; just get rid of the cracked version and install the legitimate client
#1819 [16:57] <xales> you bought the game so that you are allowed to play it lawfully
#1820 [16:57] <gildorien> i just thinked that if i will buy a game i will have somethink better and its the same;/
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#1822 [16:57] <xales> gildorien: it is better
#1823 [16:57] <oldtopman> gildorien: Here is the essence of what xales is trying to say
#1824 [16:58] <lemon-rev> depends on wat your talking about
#1825 [16:58] <oldtopman> gildorien: You steal a car. You then go back to the dealer and buy it.
#1826 [16:58] <oldtopman> gildorien: Could you have had the car at no cost to you? Yes. Was that wrong? Yes.
#1827 [16:59] <SkiingPenguins> good way of putting it
#1828 [16:59] <oldtopman> Thank you.
#1829 [16:59] * oldtopman steps off of soapbox
#1829 [17:00] <TheNytangel> can someone help me put hMod on my server?
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#1831 [17:00] <oldtopman> TheNytangel: Is that a bukkit thing?
#1832 [17:01] <TheNytangel> whats bukkit
#1833 [17:01] <Sabay> Xales are u open to check out what i did wrong over TeamViewer now?
#1834 [17:01] <TheNytangel> let me refrase that
#1835 [17:01] <oldtopman> nvm
#1836 [17:01] <TheNytangel> no no, i know what bukkit is :P
#1837 [17:01] <TheNytangel> but no, i do not have bukkit
#1838 [17:02] <xales> Sabay: I don't be for a while, sadly
#1839 [17:02] <Sabay> ok np
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#1841 [17:03] <DopeGhoti> TheNytangel: there is no more hMod.
#1842 [17:03] <Sabay> can anyone else try to get my minecraft server working over teamviewer
#1843 [17:03] <DopeGhoti> it's done.
#1844 [17:03] <TheNytangel> D:
#1845 [17:03] <DopeGhoti> Sabay: it sounds like you just need to get your port forwarding set up
#1846 [17:03] <TheNytangel> i could, Sabay, but DopeGhoti is better, if he wants to try :)
#1847 [17:03] <TheNytangel> ^
#1848 [17:03] * DopeGhoti is at work ATM
#1848 [17:03] <TheNytangel> and i have had some experience
#1849 [17:03] <TheNytangel> watching DopeGhoti fail
#1850 [17:03] <Sabay> I already forwared the port
#1851 [17:04] <TheNytangel> and GreyVulpine fixing it
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#1853 [17:04] <DopeGhoti> and a company co-owner is in the room; so text is the only slacking off I can do right now
#1854 [17:04] <Taji34> can someone direct me to the mod irc?
#1855 [17:04] <DopeGhoti> ??> Taji34 mods
#1856 [17:04] <VoxelHead> Taji34: (mods) This channel is not a venue for support with third-party mods. For assistance with Bukkit, check #Bukkit
#1857 [17:04] <VoxelHead> Taji34: (mods) You will find a lot of information here: http://tiny.cc/gentle-mod-install-tut Also, for forther assistance with many other mods, check #RisuCraft - mod help here is more likely once the official API is revealed.
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#1859 [17:04] <oldtopman> O.O
#1860 [17:05] <Sabay> TheNytangel u wanna have a crack at it?
#1861 [17:05] <xales> \o/
#1862 [17:05] <TheNytangel> sure
#1863 [17:05] <DopeGhoti> xales: ?
#1864 [17:05] <TheNytangel> what version of TV
#1865 [17:05] <Taji34> Thanks VoxelHead!
#1866 [17:05] <xales> DopeGhoti: Kealper :P
#1867 [17:05] <VoxelHead> no problem
#1868 [17:05] <Kealper> lol
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#1870 [17:05] <xales> Kealper
#1871 [17:06] <Kealper> rawr
#1872 [17:06] <xales> /network add bitlbee
#1873 [17:06] <xales> /server add -network bitlbee localhost
#1874 [17:06] <xales> /connect bitlbee
#1875 [17:06] <Kealper> /connect bitlbee
#1876 [17:06] <Kealper> fail
#1877 [17:06] <xales> lol
#1878 [17:06] <Kealper> copypasta ftl
#1879 [17:07] <Kealper> gah....this looks weird only having a few channels open...
#1880 [17:07] * Kealper starts joining tons of channels and getting query windows open again
#1880 [17:07] <xales> I wonder
#1881 [17:08] <xales> wow, still horrible :o
#1882 [17:09] <Kealper> what is?
#1883 [17:09] <Kealper> oh...that
#1884 [17:09] <Kealper> irssi like...waits before responding to ctcps
#1885 [17:09] <Kealper> like...2.5-3 seconds or something
#1886 [17:10] <Kealper> !ping
#1887 [17:10] <GreyBot> Kealper Your Ping time was 2.644 seconds.
#1888 [17:10] <xales> yeah
#1889 [17:10] <Kealper> must be 2.5 sec
#1890 [17:10] <xales> I never got a response though :O
#1891 [17:10] <Kealper> O.o
#1892 [17:10] <Kealper> it showed in my status window
#1893 [17:11] <oldtopman> !ping
#1894 [17:11] <GreyBot> oldtopman Your Ping time was 0.551 seconds.
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#1900 [17:13] <Sabay> k im in it
#1901 [17:13] <TheNytangel> lol Sabay, did i break it?
#1902 [17:13] <TheNytangel> whats your IP
#1903 [17:13] <Sabay> no when u save a router setting it resets my router
#1904 [17:13] <Sabay> 67.237.31.178
#1905 [17:13] <TheNytangel> ah
#1906 [17:14] <Sabay> so internet outs for 1 second
#1907 [17:14] <TheNytangel> hmm
#1908 [17:14] <TheNytangel> are you sure your IPv4 is 192.168.1.3?
#1909 [17:15] <Sabay> Well thats how i connected to it before
#1910 [17:15] <Sabay> and thats what CMD says
#1911 [17:15] <TheNytangel> >.>
#1912 [17:15] <oldtopman> !check 67.237.31.178
#1913 [17:15] <oldtopman> TheNytangel: check the firewall and use ipconfig to get the local amchine's address.
#1914 [17:15] <Sabay> thats what ipchicken said
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#1916 [17:16] <TheNytangel> lol, Sabay, please leave MC
#1917 [17:17] <TheNytangel> it says the IP, subnet, and default IPs oldtopman
#1918 [17:19] <TheNytangel> hello?
#1919 [17:19] <SkiingPenguins> ?
#1920 [17:19] <Sabay> yes?
#1921 [17:19] <TheNytangel> lol
#1922 [17:19] <NinjaKirby> Greetings?
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#1924 [17:20] <TheNytangel> it says the IP, subnet, and default IPs oldtopman
#1925 [17:20] <TheNytangel> oops
#1926 [17:20] <VoxelHead> doing it right: you're doing it wrong
#1927 [17:20] <oldtopman> The IP is the IP of the computer. When you go to edit the firewall, add port 25565 for whatever IP is listed tehere
#1928 [17:20] <oldtopman> TheNytangel^^
#1929 [17:20] <TheNytangel> so...
#1930 [17:21] <NinjaKirby> i.e. Add a rule to the Firewall specifying incoming trafic on that port, is allowed to pass through
#1931 [17:21] <SkiingPenguins> why is that so confusing for people
#1932 [17:21] <oldtopman> He's working on it.
#1933 [17:21] <NinjaKirby> He's working it, mmm yeah
#1934 [17:22] <VoxelHead> :-)
#1935 [17:22] <SkiingPenguins> lol
#1936 [17:23] <NinjaKirby> Anyone know if Fibre connections have synchronous up and downstream speeds?
#1937 [17:23] <oldtopman> not aye
#1938 [17:23] <xales> NinjaKirby: They are capable of it, depends on the ISP
#1939 [17:24] <NinjaKirby> Ah, they cap it by default to save bandwidth, since it isn't regularly needed, I guess
#1940 [17:24] <NinjaKirby> I say save bandwidth, it's supposed to solve all our problems in the UK, heh
#1941 [17:25] <NinjaKirby> My area hasn't been served with it yet, BT should hurry up already
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#1943 [17:26] <oldtopman> You can talk about fibre without laughing?
#1944 [17:26] <NinjaKirby> Oh duh, says on there website, more expensive package has 10Mb upload, nice
#1945 [17:26] <oldtopman> All I get is 1.5/1.0Mbps
#1946 [17:26] <NinjaKirby> oldtopman, explain
#1947 [17:26] <oldtopman> A lousy DSL connection where I live.
#1948 [17:26] <NinjaKirby> All I get is 1.5/0.5mbps
#1949 [17:26] <NinjaKirby> Ditto XD
#1950 [17:26] <VoxelHead> I wish they didn't have to go ;(
#1951 [17:27] <NinjaKirby> To be fair, I'm reasonably far from an exchange, but something still isn't quite right
#1952 [17:27] <oldtopman> How many people here think VoxelHead is a real person?
#1953 [17:27] <xales> oldtopman: very, very many
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#1955 [17:27] <xales> even before it had that "artificial stupidity" thing
#1956 [17:28] <xales> people in #help do the same thing with Anna
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#1958 [17:29] <Tumi90> I was looking for where to ask for help with issues on minecraft and found a link to this channel. is this indeed the right place to ask for help with game issues?
#1959 [17:29] <TheNytangel> DopeGhoti
#1960 [17:30] <oldtopman> xales: Who is anna?
#1961 [17:30] <xales> /whois Anna
#1962 [17:30] <xales> :>
#1963 [17:30] <xales> oh, it doesn't have...gah, whatever
#1964 [17:30] <oldtopman> ??
#1965 [17:30] <xales> it's like VoxelHead, but it's #help instead
#1966 [17:30] <oldtopman> That Anna?
#1967 [17:30] * oldtopman eyes well up with tears
#1967 [17:31] <oldtopman> I loved you, how could you be a robot!!!
#1968 [17:31] <oldtopman> t/me sobs
#1969 [17:31] <xales> :<
#1970 [17:31] * oldtopman sobs
#1970 [17:32] <oldtopman> tYou know you play minecraft a lot when you prefix everything with t
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#1972 [17:36] <DeathConsuming> HEya guys
#1973 [17:36] <xales> hi
#1974 [17:37] <DeathConsuming> Need some more help, this time it is with something I found on the forums x3
#1975 [17:37] <xales> what, specifically?
#1976 [17:37] <DeathConsuming> Single Player Commands
#1977 [17:37] <DeathConsuming> Like Idk if the client I have will let me use them O.o
#1978 [17:37] <xales> what do you mean "the client I have"?
#1979 [17:38] <DeathConsuming> I have Alpha 1.1.2 but the download is for the 1.2.6 version
#1980 [17:38] <xales> ...why would you have 1.1.2
#1981 [17:38] <xales> the game automatically updates to Beta 1.3_01 when you launch it
#1982 [17:38] <DeathConsuming> I downloaded off the site and thats the number it says in the top left hand corner >_>
#1983 [17:38] <DeathConsuming> And I'm not premium
#1984 [17:39] <DeathConsuming> So no auto update xD
#1985 [17:39] <xales> Then we can't help you
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#1989 [17:42] <Sabay> ...
#1990 [17:42] <Sabay> Im back
#1991 [17:42] <VoxelHead> YOU'RE back? feel these nipples!
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#1996 [17:45] <DeathConsuming> So I'm watching some videos on youtube and the latest has texture packs?
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#1999 [17:46] <Deathlyreaver> If I can run the free minecraft alpha, can I play the 10$ beta?
#2000 [17:46] <Ddl303> ok now im back
#2001 [17:46] <DeathConsuming> Beta is 20 D:
#2002 [17:46] <xales> No, you have to buy it to play it, in all cases
#2003 [17:46] <Deathlyreaver> I know hat
#2004 [17:46] <Deathlyreaver> im talking
#2005 [17:46] <xales> and there is no free Alpha
#2006 [17:46] <Deathlyreaver> technical
#2007 [17:46] <VoxelHead> YOU'RE talking? feel these nipples!
#2008 [17:46] <Ddl303> Chris
#2009 [17:47] <DeathConsuming> @xales, I think he is referring to the download off the site where you play offline
#2010 [17:47] <Deathlyreaver> Let me rephrase. If I can run the free minecraft Classic
#2011 [17:47] <Deathlyreaver> can I play the beta
#2012 [17:47] <Deathlyreaver> as in
#2013 [17:47] <xales> oh, i see
#2014 [17:47] <Deathlyreaver> Do I have the comp. specs.
#2015 [17:47] <Ddl303> TheNytangel
#2016 [17:47] <xales> it depends on your computer
#2017 [17:47] <xales> ??> Deathlyreaver win/dxdiag
#2018 [17:47] <VoxelHead> Deathlyreaver: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "save log" file and save it to your desktop.
#2019 [17:47] <VoxelHead> Deathlyreaver: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link you are sent to, and paste it here.
#2020 [17:47] <xales> do that, I can tell you if it will work
#2021 [17:47] <Deathlyreaver> Ok
#2022 [17:47] <GreyVulpine> You can't make a correlation between being able to run the creative classic version of minecraft, and the beta/survival
#2023 [17:48] <GreyVulpine> The beta/survival mode is in constant development, things are being added, removed, updated all the time, and the requirements change constantly
#2024 [17:48] <xales> GreyVulpine: But if you can't run Classic, you can't run beta :)
#2025 [17:48] * GreyVulpine pffts
#2025 [17:49] <Deathlyreaver> Ok.
#2026 [17:49] <Deathlyreaver> http://pastebin.com/kt89neNf
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#2028 [17:50] <xales> It...might run it
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#2030 [17:51] <SkiingPenguins> i got the inspiron 1525 and it has almost the same gfx chip. it sucks; but can sort of play it
#2031 [17:51] <xales> not well, however
#2032 [17:51] <Deathlyreaver> so
#2033 [17:51] <Deathlyreaver> am I talking
#2034 [17:51] <Deathlyreaver> Graphics on very low
#2035 [17:51] <Deathlyreaver> or
#2036 [17:51] <Deathlyreaver> so laggy can't play.
#2037 [17:51] <SkiingPenguins> graphics on very low, and you'll still have lag
#2038 [17:51] <Deathlyreaver> ouch
#2039 [17:51] <Deathlyreaver> ok
#2040 [17:51] <Deathlyreaver> I think I can work with that
#2041 [17:51] <SkiingPenguins> especially with beta 1.3 for some reason
#2042 [17:51] <xales> it might not run
#2043 [17:52] <xales> I seem to remember the card with that identifier having an issue with opengl
#2044 [17:52] <Deathlyreaver> Is there any way I could test i?
#2045 [17:52] <Deathlyreaver> test it*?
#2046 [17:52] <xales> not really, unfortunately
#2047 [17:52] <Deathlyreaver> It's odd.
#2048 [17:52] <Deathlyreaver> you'd think minecraft would have little to no graphics req.
#2049 [17:52] <xales> It's pretty likely it would work, but I can't say 100%
#2050 [17:52] <TheNytangel> what Ddl303
#2051 [17:53] <xales> and actually, just because the graphics 'look' simple, doesn't mean they are to the computer
#2052 [17:53] <Deathlyreaver> But, I guess that's the way the cookie crumbles.
#2053 [17:53] <xales> it's still culling the world, shading, etc
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#2055 [17:53] <Deathlyreaver> 15 dollar gamble I guess.
#2056 [17:53] <Deathlyreaver> One last question.
#2057 [17:53] <GreyVulpine> What video card xales?
#2058 [17:54] <Deathlyreaver> Will the game extra-lag if I look at horizon?
#2059 [17:54] <Deathlyreaver> Like the classic?
#2060 [17:54] <Kimax> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cciUXpITsu0
#2061 [17:54] <xales> GreyVulpine: Mobile Intel(R) 4 Series Express Chipset Family
#2062 [17:54] <Kimax> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cciUXpITsu0
#2063 [17:54] <xales> 32MB dedicated VRAM
#2064 [17:54] <SkiingPenguins> problem with minecraft is that it has simple textures, ALOT of verticies.. which my card sucks at. -> http://pastebin.com/yKq8xhWp
#2065 [17:55] <GreyVulpine> Oof.. um
#2066 [17:55] <DeathConsuming> Is diamond the best for weapons/armor?
#2067 [17:55] <SkiingPenguins> yes
#2068 [17:56] <DopeGhoti> ??> requirements/lessrude
#2069 [17:56] <DopeGhoti> (:
#2070 [17:56] <DopeGhoti> ?? requirements/lessrude
#2071 [17:56] <VoxelHead> requirements/lessrude: 1.5GiB of RAM (3 GiB if you want to run the server and client at the same time), a 2.4GHz or so per core CPU, and if you expect the world to get rather big, 100MB or so of hard drive space.
#2072 [17:56] <VoxelHead> requirements/lessrude: A server will use a lot of bandwidth, _per player_ because the world is in a constant state of flux.
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#2074 [17:57] <xales> DopeGhoti: Not really the answer I was looking to give :P
#2075 [17:57] <DopeGhoti> xales: it's better than the rude one
#2076 [17:57] <xales> :P
#2077 [17:57] <DeathConsuming> Well, thanks for the attempt help, and the answer to my questions, I'll be back when I need more help :D
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#2079 [17:58] <SkiingPenguins> ? requirements/rude
#2080 [17:58] <SkiingPenguins> ?? requirements/rude
#2081 [17:58] <SkiingPenguins> -.-
#2082 [18:00] <DopeGhoti> ??>> SkiingPenguins requirements
#2083 [18:01] <SkiingPenguins> lol
#2084 [18:01] <xales> ??< requirements
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#2086 [18:07] <Ddl303> Dope can u teamviewer me now?
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#2088 [18:08] <DopeGhoti> Ddl303: @ work. still.
#2089 [18:08] <Ddl303> ok when do u get off
#2090 [18:08] <DopeGhoti> usually am for ~8 hrs a day, you see
#2091 [18:08] <DopeGhoti> how are my bedroom activities relevant to #minecrafthelp?
#2092 [18:08] <xales> :|
#2093 [18:08] <Ddl303> ... when do u get off of work
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#2095 [18:17] <GreyVulpine> >.>
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#2098 [18:20] <Barrylocke> hello...again
#2099 [18:20] <Barrylocke> had stuff to do earlier, but
#2100 [18:20] <Barrylocke> updating the driver didn't help either
#2101 [18:20] <Barrylocke> for getting sound to work in the browser version of minecraft
#2102 [18:20] <Barrylocke> *download version
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#2104 [18:21] <mr_fribble> i cant update it just stops at 25%
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#2106 [18:22] <Barrylocke> I've tried: redownloading the bin files in .minecraft, trying ona new username, updating the driver, and reinstalling java
#2107 [18:22] <GreyVulpine> What driver Barrylocke?
#2108 [18:22] <Barrylocke> sound driver
#2109 [18:22] <GreyVulpine> What sound card, and from where?
#2110 [18:22] <Barrylocke> ...is there a list of sound cards that are known not to work for minecraft?
#2111 [18:22] <GreyVulpine> Not.. really.
#2112 [18:23] <Barrylocke> well
#2113 [18:23] <Barrylocke> I have a Sound Blaster X-Fi soundcard
#2114 [18:23] <GreyVulpine> Where did you update the driver from?
#2115 [18:23] <DopeGhoti> that.. should work.
#2116 [18:23] <jast> I occasionally have problems with my sound card in some games; turning off hardware acceleration in windows's sound settings usually helps
#2117 [18:23] <jast> my card is one very similar to the X-Fi (but it's a creative professional card)
#2118 [18:24] <Barrylocke> actually, now that you mention it I'm a bit unsure that I truely updated it
#2119 [18:24] <Barrylocke> the driver that was suggested was an OLDER one
#2120 [18:25] <Barrylocke> suggested by creative, that is
#2121 [18:25] <DopeGhoti> Get and install the latest driver from Creative, not from Windows Update
#2122 [18:25] <mr_fribble> i cant update minecraft it just stops updating at 25%
#2123 [18:25] <DopeGhoti> Windows Update is a *terrible* place to get drivers from.
#2124 [18:25] <DopeGhoti> mr_fribble: windows I presume?
#2125 [18:25] <Barrylocke> I did get it from creative
#2126 [18:26] <Barrylocke> windows update suggested the one that was on the install cd, which is much older
#2127 [18:26] <DopeGhoti> Barrylocke: did you _install_ that driver you got from Creative?
#2128 [18:26] <Barrylocke> yes, I did
#2129 [18:26] <mr_fribble> yes im using windowa
#2130 [18:26] <DopeGhoti> ??> mr_fribble win/reinst
#2131 [18:26] <VoxelHead> mr_fribble: (win/reinst) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#2132 [18:26] <VoxelHead> mr_fribble: (win/reinst) To do so, press Win+R, type in %AppData%, and press Enter. In the window that appears, open the .minecraft directory, and delete the bin directory that you see therein. Then, try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
#2133 [18:26] <DopeGhoti> if that doesn't work
#2134 [18:26] <Barrylocke> and actually, I was wrong, this is indeed a newer driver
#2135 [18:27] <DopeGhoti> ??> mr_fribble win/profile
#2136 [18:27] <VoxelHead> mr_fribble: (win/profile) It may be helpful to isolate whether this is a problem with your user account, or with your system as a whole.
#2137 [18:27] <VoxelHead> mr_fribble: (win/profile) Please create a new user profile, log in as that user, and try Minecraft from there. If it works, there's something on your profile that's breaking Java or Minecraft. If not, there's something amiss with your system as a whole.
#2138 [18:27] <Barrylocke> my old driver was from 09, this is from '10
#2139 [18:27] <DopeGhoti> Barrylocke: that does sound newer. have you rebooted since installing the driver?
#2140 [18:27] <GreyVulpine> Barrylocke - Another thing you can try, is updating Minecraft's OpenAL dll manually.
#2141 [18:28] <Barrylocke> Dope: yes I have
#2142 [18:28] <Barrylocke> greyvulpine: I can try that, but just to be sure, if that were the issue, wouldn't the problematic frame in the error report mention openal.dll?
#2143 [18:28] <VoxelHead> only if there are no alternatives
#2144 [18:29] <GreyVulpine> Sorry, I didn't look at the error report.
#2145 [18:30] <Barrylocke> is there any way I could send you mine?
#2146 [18:30] <GreyVulpine> pastebin.com?
#2147 [18:30] <Barrylocke> hold up
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#2149 [18:31] <Barrylocke> http://pastebin.com/huWzheyF
#2150 [18:32] <GreyVulpine> Hmm.
#2151 [18:32] <GreyVulpine> Try this:
#2152 [18:32] <GreyVulpine> ?? win/openal
#2153 [18:32] <VoxelHead> win/openal: |To update OpenAL on Windows, go to: http://connect.creativelabs.com/openal/Downloads/Forms/AllItems.aspx and download the "OpenAL Installer for Windows". Install it.
#2154 [18:32] <VoxelHead> win/openal: Once you've installed it, go to /Windows/System32/OpenAL32.dll and copy that file over to your .minecraft/bin/natives/ folder, overwriting the one there.
#2155 [18:32] <VoxelHead> bye Celestea
#2156 [18:33] <GreyVulpine> But it's possible that error is from java itself.. have you done a complete fresh reinstall of java?
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#2159 [18:41] <Barrylocke> replacing the openal did not work
#2160 [18:41] <Barrylocke> as for java
#2161 [18:41] <Barrylocke> Im very certain that I completly removed java
#2162 [18:41] <Barrylocke> and then downloaded the latest version
#2163 [18:41] <Barrylocke> also this problem has been around for me since september, so this has happened with older versions as well
#2164 [18:41] <Barrylocke> which I made sure to uninstall and remove to get the latest one
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#2167 [18:49] <Antoweif> When will the online lag be fixed?
#2168 [18:51] <xales> I don't get lag
#2169 [18:51] <xales> It depends on your computer, your Internet connection, and the server you are connecting to
#2170 [18:51] <Antoweif> my client get down spammed with micropackages from the server
#2171 [18:51] <Antoweif> resulting in poor network performance
#2172 [18:51] <Antoweif> this issue has been since the patch came
#2173 [18:51] <Antoweif> still no fix?
#2174 [18:52] <GreyVulpine> Barrylocke - I still think this is either a java, or a sound/openAL problem..
#2175 [18:52] <GreyVulpine> I just haven't come across a solution yet
#2176 [18:52] <xales> It's not a new bug, to my knowledge
#2177 [18:52] <Antoweif> I've read about a tcpbuffer that should solve the problem, but I couldn't get it to work :|
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#2179 [18:53] <mib_boho84> hi
#2180 [18:53] <GreyVulpine> Barrylocke - Are you running 32 or 64 bit windows?
#2181 [18:53] <mib_boho84> can you guys hear me?
#2182 [18:53] <GreyVulpine> mib_boho84 - Yes
#2183 [18:53] <mib_boho84> i got a question.. uh
#2184 [18:53] <GreyVulpine> Just ask.
#2185 [18:53] <mib_boho84> if i have one minecraft account, can i play on 2 computers?
#2186 [18:53] <xales> yes
#2187 [18:53] <xales> not at once
#2188 [18:53] <xales> but yes
#2189 [18:53] <mib_boho84> either multiplayer or by myself
#2190 [18:53] <mib_boho84> at the same time i mean
#2191 [18:53] <xales> you can't play multiplayer together
#2192 [18:53] <xales> but you can play single player on two computers
#2193 [18:54] <mib_boho84> at the same time, with one computer?
#2194 [18:54] <mib_boho84> 2 computers*
#2195 [18:54] <xales> you can't both play multiplayer together, on two different computers, with the same account
#2196 [18:54] <mib_boho84> i know about multi, so i CAN play at the same time on single player though?
#2197 [18:54] <xales> for now, yes
#2198 [18:54] <xales> it may change in the future
#2199 [18:55] <mib_boho84> for now...?
#2200 [18:55] <mib_boho84> lol aw
#2201 [18:55] <mib_boho84> k cool
#2202 [18:55] <Barrylocke> <@GreyVulpine> Barrylocke - Are you running 32 or 64 bit windows?
#2203 [18:55] <mib_boho84> thanks :)
#2204 [18:55] <VoxelHead> www.aj.com
#2205 [18:55] <Barrylocke> 32 bit I believe
#2206 [18:55] <xales> Voxel, shut up
#2207 [18:55] <mib_boho84> also, the last time i played it was kinda laggy
#2208 [18:55] <mib_boho84> why?
#2209 [18:56] <xales> there are several reasons
#2210 [18:56] <mib_boho84> just overall lag?
#2211 [18:56] <xales> if it was single player, it means your computer can't handle running it at the settings you had it at
#2212 [18:56] <Antoweif> Can I have some help? :(
#2213 [18:56] <mib_boho84> :o
#2214 [18:56] <VoxelHead> Well blow me down.
#2215 [18:56] <mib_boho84> it was single
#2216 [18:56] <mib_boho84> havent played multi yet
#2217 [18:56] <xales> Antoweif: With?
#2218 [18:57] <mib_boho84> again about the 2 computers thing, can one person be playing multi and the other be playing single?
#2219 [18:57] <xales> mib_boho84: yes
#2220 [18:57] <xales> as long as you aren't both playing multiplayer
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#2222 [18:58] <mib_boho84> with each other or on different multi servers?
#2223 [18:58] <Antoweif> I have massive lag, because my client receive tons of small packages resulting in buffer overflow, and random timeouts
#2224 [18:58] <Antoweif> because of that
#2225 [18:58] <mib_boho84> :o
#2226 [18:58] <VoxelHead> Yikes.
#2227 [18:58] <Antoweif> and yes, the game is 100% unplayable, but works in singleplayer
#2228 [18:59] <xales> Antoweif: Everyone gets that...
#2229 [18:59] <xales> you need to increase the tx/rx buffers on your NIC if you want to fix that
#2230 [19:00] <Antoweif> I did found a solution, but couldn't get it to launch :(. I see, do you have a guide?
#2231 [19:00] <xales> Kealper can help you with that
#2232 [19:00] <xales> I'm not familiar with how to do it on Windows
#2233 [19:00] <xales> (assuming you are using Windows)
#2234 [19:00] <Antoweif> XP, yes.
#2235 [19:00] <Kealper> rawr
#2236 [19:00] <Antoweif> Kealper help me, Master.
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#2238 [19:01] <Kealper> uhh....it's hit or miss whether you can increase said buffers, just so you know
#2239 [19:01] <Kealper> ok then
#2240 [19:02] <Kealper> XP....totally forget how to do it on that off the top of my head....gimme 5 sec to check
#2241 [19:02] <mib_boho84> whats the least laggiest settings?
#2242 [19:03] <mib_boho84> video settings in options, i mean
#2243 [19:03] <Kealper> why does vmware have to be so slow >.>
#2244 [19:03] <Kealper> Antoweif: ok fine, it doesn't want to open..i'll just wing it
#2245 [19:03] <jast> try virtualbox :)
#2246 [19:04] <Antoweif> http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?t=464211
#2247 [19:04] <Antoweif> Registry Mods (Enable large TCP Window support) , may that help?
#2248 [19:04] <Kealper> ehh....probably not
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#2250 [19:04] <linkofluck> hello
#2251 [19:04] <Kealper> oh....meh, vm started working again
#2252 [19:05] <Kealper> Antoweif: hold down the windows key, and press the pause key
#2253 [19:05] <mib_boho84> what settings will make it run the fastest?
#2254 [19:05] <Antoweif> What am I supposed to get up? System Properties?
#2255 [19:06] <Kealper> mib_boho84: graphics: fast; render distance: tiny; smooth lighting: off
#2256 [19:06] <Kealper> Antoweif: yeah
#2257 [19:06] <Kealper> Antoweif: you can do that by a few different ways, i just fine hotkeys the fastest
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#2259 [19:06] <Antoweif> yeah
#2260 [19:06] <Kealper> Antoweif: go to the Advanced tab
#2261 [19:06] <Kealper> wait...dangit
#2262 [19:07] <Kealper> Hardware tab
#2263 [19:07] <mib_boho84> ok cool
#2264 [19:07] <Kealper> gah, haven't touched xp in ages
#2265 [19:07] <Antoweif> Yeah, it's outdated :P
#2266 [19:07] <Kealper> Antoweif: when there, click the Device Manger button
#2267 [19:07] <Antoweif> Device Manager, check.
#2268 [19:07] <Kealper> Antoweif: click the Network adapters dropdown
#2269 [19:07] <linkofluck> everytime i try to download a mod it says i need this downloader,when i get instructuis it says that click start and run and type in this crap, so ido, then it says go to your folder, so i do,then it says got .minecraft, so i do, then it says click this certain i con called minecraft.jar but it says i failed to oper. why??
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#2271 [19:07] <VoxelHead> You wish.
#2272 [19:08] <Kealper> you should see your adapter in the list
#2273 [19:08] <Antoweif> Yes
#2274 [19:08] <Kealper> ??> linkofluck mods
#2275 [19:08] <VoxelHead> linkofluck: (mods) This channel is not a venue for support with third-party mods. For assistance with Bukkit, check #Bukkit
#2276 [19:08] <VoxelHead> linkofluck: (mods) You will find a lot of information here: http://tiny.cc/gentle-mod-install-tut Also, for forther assistance with many other mods, check #RisuCraft - mod help here is more likely once the official API is revealed.
#2277 [19:08] <Kealper> Antoweif: double click that adapter
#2278 [19:08] <Antoweif> Already done
#2279 [19:08] <linkofluck> ok thanks
#2280 [19:08] <Kealper> Antoweif: go to the Advanced tab, and in that Property: spot, look for recieve buffers and transmit buffers
#2281 [19:08] <linkofluck> linkofluck out
#2282 [19:09] <Kealper> Antoweif: can you see those two properties in there?
#2283 [19:09] <Antoweif> No such option. Have, flow control, checksum offload, large send offload
#2284 [19:10] <Antoweif> and some other random
#2285 [19:10] <Kealper> nothing concerning buffers of any type?
#2286 [19:10] <Antoweif> None
#2287 [19:10] <Kealper> guess yours can't be changed :/
#2288 [19:11] <Antoweif> It can, but I need a 3rd party software of somekind
#2289 [19:11] <Antoweif> to work as a proxy, but I couldn't get that program to work
#2290 [19:11] <Barrylocke> hmm, well if there's no way I can fix the sound, then there's the other option of playing on the browser
#2291 [19:12] <Barrylocke> are there any browsers that run minecraft better than others
#2292 [19:12] <Kealper> Barrylocke: what browser are you using?
#2293 [19:12] <Barrylocke> chrome
#2294 [19:12] <Kealper> but for the most part, they will all run it the same, since the browser is only acting as a frame for the java app :/
#2295 [19:12] <Kealper> how much ram does your computer have?
#2296 [19:13] <Barrylocke> 3gb
#2297 [19:13] <Barrylocke> up until a week ago it was 1gb
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#2299 [19:13] <Kealper> hmm...and it still runs like crap in the browser?
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#2301 [19:15] <Barrylocke> let me try it without sound in the browser
#2302 [19:15] <Barrylocke> and then with
#2303 [19:15] <Kealper> i have heard of a bug where sound causes lag for some people
#2304 [19:17] <Barrylocke> without sound=running pretty smoothly
#2305 [19:17] <Barrylocke> now then
#2306 [19:18] <Barrylocke> ...actually
#2307 [19:19] <Barrylocke> adding sound didn't change the framerate
#2308 [19:19] <Barrylocke> :D
#2309 [19:19] <VoxelHead> :)
#2310 [19:19] <Barrylocke> ok
#2311 [19:19] <Kealper> :O
#2312 [19:19] <Barrylocke> now music
#2313 [19:19] <VoxelHead> Cor.
#2314 [19:20] <ukabu> But if you know what the problem is, why not just fix it? :p
#2315 [19:21] <Barrylocke> ...wow
#2316 [19:21] <Barrylocke> ok then
#2317 [19:21] <Barrylocke> I'd still rather play it in its own window
#2318 [19:21] <Barrylocke> but at least I can play with sound
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#2320 [19:22] <Barrylocke> cool beans
#2321 [19:23] <Barrylocke> It just sucked when I played on chrome
#2322 [19:23] <Barrylocke> guess I'll be using firefox more often
#2323 [19:27] <VoxelHead> Mmm Pulec.
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#2326 [19:39] <Justin> Lol, my bro can't find coal xD
#2327 [19:39] <Kealper> o.o
#2328 [19:39] <Justin> where can he get some?
#2329 [19:40] <Justin> the world he spawned in has like no coal
#2330 [19:40] <Kealper> digging around inside stone
#2331 [19:40] <Justin> he is
#2332 [19:40] <Justin> theres no coal rocks though
#2333 [19:40] <Justin> lol
#2334 [19:40] <Kealper> it's usually pretty easy to find once you get mining underground :/
#2335 [19:42] <Justin> he cant see himself inside his house... lol
#2336 [19:42] <Kealper> O.o
#2337 [19:42] <Justin> cuz its night
#2338 [19:42] <Kealper> oh....lol
#2339 [19:44] <DopeGhoti> um
#2340 [19:44] <DopeGhoti> so whip up some charcoal?
#2341 [19:45] <Kealper> time to throw some deadmau5 on with the speakers turned up
#2342 [19:46] <Justin> how do you get charcoal
#2343 [19:46] <DopeGhoti> Justin: cook wood
#2344 [19:46] <Justin> with furnace?
#2345 [19:47] <DopeGhoti> er, yes.
#2346 [19:47] <DopeGhoti> we don't have working campfires yet
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#2349 [19:48] <Kealper> hmm...too much bass...speakers are trying to walk..brb finding foam to set under them
#2350 [19:48] <Justin> oh cool, he got it
#2351 [19:48] <Justin> why is "it" like highlited in green
#2352 [19:48] <Justin> or whatever
#2353 [19:48] <Justin> gray
#2354 [19:48] <DopeGhoti> come again?
#2355 [19:49] <Justin> uh
#2356 [19:49] <Justin> on this IRC, whenever i say "it" its highlighted gray/green lol
#2357 [19:49] <jast> there is a person called that in this channel
#2358 [19:50] <Justin> oh
#2359 [19:50] <Justin> lol
#2360 [19:51] <Kealper> poor guy....must be annoying getting hilighted all the time
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#2362 [19:52] <oldtopman> !paid arcanum425
#2363 [19:52] <oldtopman> yay
#2364 [19:53] <oldtopman> !seen arcanum425
#2365 [19:53] <GreyBot> I found no results for your !Seen query.
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#2367 [19:54] <oldtopman> Must have been a wrong IP.
#2368 [19:54] <DopeGhoti> Kealper: it's It's fault that ey chose it for a name.
#2369 [19:54] <Kealper> lol
#2370 [19:55] <Kealper> OH....that's what that sound is...brb getting socks for the ports on these woofers
#2371 [19:55] <VoxelHead> Hi floor... make me a sandwich.
#2372 [19:57] <Kealper> much better....hopefully they don't eat my socks
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#2374 [20:03] <DopeGhoti> Kealper: socks?
#2375 [20:03] <Kealper> stuffing a rolled up sock into the port of a woofer box to use as a baffel
#2376 [20:03] <VoxelHead> i got grapefruit bubblegum!
#2377 [20:04] <DopeGhoti> protip: Baffle
#2378 [20:04] <Kealper> yeah yeah typo
#2379 [20:04] <Kealper> left handed, left hand hit e before right hand hit l :/
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#2382 [20:05] <wiggy90000> hey guys, my friends and i want to make a minecraft fun server which is just hosted on hamachi so we can all play, and we all just got zombe's mods so we can fly and turn on build mode for fast structure building. the fly mods work fine in the server, but for some reason build mode won't enable. does anyone know what i should do to fix it?
#2383 [20:06] <DopeGhoti> ??> wiggy90000 fubar/hamachi
#2384 [20:06] <VoxelHead> wiggy90000: (fubar/hamachi) Hamachi has been squatting on a previously unallocated IP address space. This block of addresses, 5.0.0.0/8, has been allocated by IANA. As such, Hamachi conflicts with the internat. As such, #MineCraftHelp will neither support nor assist with server network issues for hosts using Hamachi for connectivity.
#2385 [20:06] <VoxelHead> wiggy90000: (fubar/hamachi) If you are using Hamachi, use a different solution such as proper port forwarding, or a VPN.
#2386 [20:06] <DopeGhoti> further,
#2387 [20:06] <DopeGhoti> ??> wiggy90000 mods
#2388 [20:06] <VoxelHead> wiggy90000: (mods) This channel is not a venue for support with third-party mods. For assistance with Bukkit, check #Bukkit
#2389 [20:06] <wiggy90000> no it's not hamachi that's the problem it's the server itsself and it not allowing build mode to work properly
#2390 [20:06] <VoxelHead> wiggy90000: (mods) You will find a lot of information here: http://tiny.cc/gentle-mod-install-tut Also, for forther assistance with many other mods, check #RisuCraft - mod help here is more likely once the official API is revealed.
#2391 [20:06] <wiggy90000> ah
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#2393 [20:07] <helpp> guys i need help, i can't play the create trial. it says "minecraft" with a black background, but then the java block disappears and only shows the site background. i'm on windows xp.. latest java... firefox 4 beta browser (also didn't work for the current released firefox)
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#2395 [20:08] * VoxelHead is away: divx
#2395 [20:08] <DopeGhoti> ??> helpp win/profile
#2396 [20:08] <VoxelHead> helpp: (win/profile) It may be helpful to isolate whether this is a problem with your user account, or with your system as a whole.
#2397 [20:08] <VoxelHead> helpp: (win/profile) Please create a new user profile, log in as that user, and try Minecraft from there. If it works, there's something on your profile that's breaking Java or Minecraft. If not, there's something amiss with your system as a whole.
#2398 [20:09] <helpp> thanks i'll come back if nothing works
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#2400 [20:14] <ffrogman> Hi, I have this problem when people connect to my server: Soon after people connect this error occurs and my internet stops working for a minute or so http://pastebin.com/LVczbzNB
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#2402 [20:17] <Mandreas> !check 96.248.122.208
#2403 [20:17] <Mandreas> !check 96.248.122.208
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#2405 [20:18] <Kealper> ffrogman: does that happen with just that user or does it do it with any user?
#2406 [20:18] <Mandreas> Anyone know any reason why my server just stopped working?
#2407 [20:18] <ffrogman> It happens with anyone except me
#2408 [20:18] <Kealper> Mandreas: define stopped working?
#2409 [20:18] <Mandreas> !check 96.248.122.208
#2410 [20:18] <Mandreas> My friends cannot connect
#2411 [20:18] <Mandreas> yet I can
#2412 [20:19] <Mandreas> and it was working fine 5 minutes ago
#2413 [20:19] <Kealper> ffrogman: are you hosting off the same computer you play on?
#2414 [20:19] <ffrogman> Yes, but it worked fine a few days ago
#2415 [20:19] <Kealper> Mandreas: what IP are you using to connect?
#2416 [20:19] <Mandreas> Theyre using my external IP, 96.248.122.208
#2417 [20:19] <Kealper> Mandreas: you, not them
#2418 [20:19] <Mandreas> 192.168.1.10
#2419 [20:19] <Kealper> also your external ip changed
#2420 [20:20] <Kealper> type !myip
#2421 [20:20] <Mandreas> !myip
#2422 [20:20] <Mandreas> omo
#2423 [20:20] <Mandreas> o.o
#2424 [20:20] <Mandreas> Why did it change?
#2425 [20:20] <Kealper> it must be a dynamic IP
#2426 [20:20] <Kealper> and not static
#2427 [20:20] <Kealper> most ISPs issue dynamic IPs...rarely do they issue static ones
#2428 [20:21] <ffrogman> any idea Kealper?
#2429 [20:21] <Kealper> do you turn your modem off at night?
#2430 [20:21] <Kealper> ffrogman: has anything changed that you can think of?
#2431 [20:21] <Mandreas> !check 96.248.109.13
#2432 [20:21] <Mandreas> Thanks kealper
#2433 [20:21] <Mandreas> :)
#2434 [20:22] <Mandreas> Is it going to keep changing?
#2435 [20:22] <ffrogman> well recently my internal ip has been changing a lot, but I have another server which was smp, but the users got bored of it and that doesn't work either
#2436 [20:22] <Kealper> Mandreas: it might....check out http://dyndns.org and set up an account there
#2437 [20:22] <ffrogman> and I haven't touched that server in about 2 weeks or so
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#2439 [20:23] <Kealper> Mandreas: they have a tool that can detect when your IP changes, and can update the dynamic domain name on the fly, so your friends can always get on your server using the name
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#2441 [20:23] <Kealper> ffrogman: hmm....are you using wireless?
#2442 [20:24] <ffrogman> nope this computer is wired
#2443 [20:24] <Kealper> that's quite strange
#2444 [20:24] <Kealper> when do they get that disconnect? as soon as they log in or randomly?
#2445 [20:24] <ffrogman> also when the server "crashes" everything connected to the router wired/wirelessly gets disconnected as well
#2446 [20:25] <Kealper> sounds like your computer is getting a buffer overflow on it's NIC driver.....
#2447 [20:25] <ffrogman> well it seems like they can place/remove a few blocks and the game registers it then it just crashes
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#2449 [20:25] <Kealper> are you running any torrents or downloading anything?
#2450 [20:25] <Kealper> (or doing anything that uses the internet or LAN)
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#2452 [20:25] <ffrogman> no
#2453 [20:25] <Kealper> wait...
#2454 [20:26] <Kealper> stuff DCes off your wireless too?
#2455 [20:26] <ffrogman> it's almost like the router temporarly just crashes
#2456 [20:26] <ffrogman> but the lights don't change on it
#2457 [20:26] <Kealper> how long has it been since you've unplugged it and plugged it back in?
#2458 [20:26] <ffrogman> I could try that, but nothing else is having problems
#2459 [20:27] <mib_phsnp7> i still can't log in, the black screen just vanishes and i see only the background. I made a new account.. and i'll say again i'm on firefox 4 beta, windows xp,
#2460 [20:27] <mib_phsnp7> free create version
#2461 [20:27] <ffrogman> the idea didn't occur to me, but i'll try that
#2462 [20:27] <ffrogman> which means i'll disconnect from irc so brb
#2463 [20:27] <Kealper> mib_phsnp7: has it ever worked before?
#2464 [20:30] <mib_phsnp7> no
#2465 [20:31] <mib_phsnp7> i tried it a few weeks ago for the first time.. didn't work then either
#2466 [20:31] <Kealper> what are your computer's specs?
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#2468 [20:32] <ffrogman> nope that didn't work
#2469 [20:33] <Kealper> hmmm.....
#2470 [20:33] <ffrogman> I think the disconnect time was shorter
#2471 [20:33] <Kealper> and nothing in your network is doing much?
#2472 [20:33] <ffrogman> because usually my client kicks me off of the network
#2473 [20:34] <ffrogman> but nothing much is happening
#2474 [20:34] <ffrogman> and it's been 2-3 days since it last worked
#2475 [20:35] <Kealper> i really don't know then...try going to http://speedtest.net and doing a test there.....maybe your internet started sucking enough to where it can't host anymore
#2476 [20:35] <ffrogman> I usually get A on that
#2477 [20:35] <Kealper> and all that happens is they just DC? or does your internet and everything restart?
#2478 [20:36] <ffrogman> they just temporarly dc
#2479 [20:36] <ffrogman> my result is higher than US average
#2480 [20:36] <ffrogman> so I don't think that's the problem
#2481 [20:37] <ffrogman> Ping: 22ms, DL speed: 11.85 MB/s, Upload speed: 3.55 MB/s
#2482 [20:37] <Kealper> and before i make my conclusion... when you say they just temporarily DC, you mean after the people loose connection from your server, your internet cuts out for a sec, like your router restarts? (wireless devices and all)
#2483 [20:38] <ffrogman> it doesnt seem like the router is restarting
#2484 [20:38] <ffrogman> it just seems like it drops all connections
#2485 [20:38] <ffrogman> then reaccepts them
#2486 [20:38] <Kealper> or is it just your networking on your own computer is getting disconnected?
#2487 [20:38] <mib_phsnp7> i'm not a computer whiz, my computer is ancient, but I think this is what you're looking for: Intel(R) Pentium 4(R) CPU 2.60GHz 1.29GHz, 2.00GB of RAM
#2488 [20:38] <Kealper> mib_phsnp7: do you know what sort of graphics chipset that thing has?
#2489 [20:39] <Kealper> mib_phsnp7: if not, there is an easy thing you can do so i cna check
#2490 [20:39] <Kealper> can*
#2491 [20:39] <ffrogman> it looks like after they lose connection the router just doesn't want to hold connections, so it drops them then reaccepts after about 15-30seconds
#2492 [20:40] <Kealper> ffrogman: that sounds like it might be restarting, or that it's networking driver might be crashing/restarting :/
#2493 [20:40] <ffrogman> I haven't changed anything recently though
#2494 [20:40] <ffrogman> I don't see why it wouldn't work
#2495 [20:40] <ffrogman> do you have any idea how I could fix it though?
#2496 [20:41] <mib_phsnp7> ATI Radeon HD 3600 Series
#2497 [20:41] <Kealper> no idea...if it is your router that is doing it, then your ISP's tech support might be more helpful with that
#2498 [20:41] <ffrogman> and I hosted a minecraft server for a few weeks without problems
#2499 [20:41] <ffrogman> ok thanks for your help
#2500 [20:42] <Kealper> mib_phsnp7: go in to the game, and when it turns black, click on the little java cup icon in your system tray (to the left of the clock on the start bar)
#2501 [20:42] <ffrogman> also it's comcast if that helps at all
#2502 [20:42] <Kealper> mib_phsnp7: then click the Java Console thing
#2503 [20:43] <Kealper> ffrogman: Comcast is wide-spread, and they tend to use a ton of different models of stuff, did you get that router from them, and is it a modem/router combo or is the modem separate?
#2504 [20:44] <ffrogman> well both are a few years old I think we bought them in a store not from comcast though
#2505 [20:44] <mib_phsnp7> okay, and before I do i'll mention about 6 of the icons show up, and then all of them go away a few seconds in. not sure if that's normal
#2506 [20:44] <Kealper> mib_phsnp7: uhh....icons where?
#2507 [20:44] <ffrogman> the router and modem are different companies so they aren't a combo, but that still doesn't explain why it would just stop working out of the blue
#2508 [20:45] <mib_phsnp7> java cup
#2509 [20:45] <Kealper> ffrogman: that's the thing that strikes me as odd...normally routers just happily work for years :/
#2510 [20:45] <ffrogman> I don't seem to have problems with non-server related stuff though
#2511 [20:46] <Kealper> ffrogman: but if it's disconnecting all computers on your network when it happens, and they all reconnect after like 10-30 sec, that usually indicates that the router restarted
#2512 [20:47] <Kealper> ffrogman: and a minecraft server is incredibly hard on transmit buffers, and loves to overflow them :/
#2513 [20:47] <mib_phsnp7> okay, I got in the console, what now?
#2514 [20:47] <Kealper> mib_phsnp7: is there error stuff in there?
#2515 [20:47] <Kealper> or stuff that looks error log-ish?
#2516 [20:48] <mib_phsnp7> not that I see
#2517 [20:48] <mib_phsnp7> Java Plug-in 1.6.0_24 Using JRE version 1.6.0_24-b07 Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM User home directory = C:\Documents and Settings\Anthony ---------------------------------------------------- c: clear console window f: finalize objects on finalization queue g: garbage collect h: display this help message l: dump classloader list m: print memory usage
#2518 [20:48] <ffrogman> ok, well it still boggles me because nothing has changed...
#2519 [20:48] <Kealper> ffrogman: is it a wirless router?
#2520 [20:48] <Kealper> wait
#2521 [20:48] <Kealper> stupid question
#2522 [20:48] <ffrogman> I guess I'll try speaking with some kind of customer service later
#2523 [20:49] <Kealper> ffrogman: you are sure that no settings inside the router have been messed with?
#2524 [20:49] <Kealper> mib_phsnp7: is that all it says?
#2525 [20:49] <mib_phsnp7> yes
#2526 [20:49] <ffrogman> besides port forwarding, because the internal ip has been changing a lot
#2527 [20:49] <mib_phsnp7> actually
#2528 [20:49] <mib_phsnp7> o: trigger logging q: hide console r: reload policy configuration s: dump system and deployment properties t: dump thread list v: dump thread stack x: clear classloader cache 0-5: set trace level to <n> ----------------------------------------------------
#2529 [20:49] <mib_phsnp7> that's the last half
#2530 [20:50] <Kealper> mib_phsnp7: put the whole log inside pastebin so i can look at it in one peice
#2531 [20:50] <Kealper> there should be a button that lets you copy the whole thing, and mibbit should have a button that lets you paste stuff...called like mibpaste or something
#2532 [20:51] <mib_phsnp7> http://pastebin.com/3Wy9mcdw
#2533 [20:51] <Kealper> ffrogman: yeah, no idea then....you could try a factory reset on the router :/
#2534 [20:51] <mib_phsnp7> oh
#2535 [20:51] <mib_phsnp7> does that work too? lol
#2536 [20:52] <Kealper> mib_phsnp7: yeah, nothing strange in there....have you tried installing the latest graphics drivers from ati's website?
#2537 [20:54] <mib_phsnp7> hmm... not that I recall i'll try to
#2538 [20:54] <Kealper> but having it fail without any errors is really strange...
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#2543 [20:58] <DeathConsuming> Hey, back for more help this time it's ingame matters
#2544 [20:58] <Kealper> coming back here is never a good thing :o
#2545 [20:58] <DeathConsuming> LOl
#2546 [20:58] <DeathConsuming> lol*
#2547 [20:59] <DeathConsuming> Anyway...I made an iron door but I can't get it to open from the inside or close from the inside for that matter,I made 2 levels for the door but it appears I can only open and close from the outside D:
#2548 [21:00] <Kealper> to use two levers independantly for a door, you have to use some advanced redstone
#2549 [21:00] <Kealper> you would need to wire the switches up to an XOR gate
#2550 [21:00] <DeathConsuming> Say wha...?
#2551 [21:01] <DeathConsuming> What the hell is advanced redstone...
#2552 [21:01] <Kealper> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Redstone_circuits#XOR_Gate_.28.E2.8A.BB.29 <-- that
#2553 [21:02] <DeathConsuming> Lol...is there an easier way?
#2554 [21:03] <Kealper> not to make it so both levers work independantly
#2555 [21:03] <Kealper> that's about as easy as it gets for something like that
#2556 [21:03] <Kealper> but redstone is really easy to work with once you get the basics down
#2557 [21:03] <DeathConsuming> Blah...
#2558 [21:03] <ffrogman> you could wait for notch to add integrated gates
#2559 [21:03] <Kealper> are you playing single player or multiplayer?
#2560 [21:03] <ffrogman> which he has said he will eventually
#2561 [21:03] <DeathConsuming> Multi
#2562 [21:04] <DeathConsuming> Off hamachi
#2563 [21:04] <DeathConsuming> xD
#2564 [21:04] <Kealper> eew lol
#2565 [21:04] <DeathConsuming> Lol we can't port forward, thats why we have hamachi
#2566 [21:04] <Kealper> :/
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#2568 [21:05] <Kealper> lol
#2569 [21:05] <DeathConsuming> I don't have the info for the router so I can't do it. BUt my friend is being a dillweed and won't respond so we can explore this cavern I found
#2570 [21:05] <DeathConsuming> And I'm trying to upgrade our house rofl
#2571 [21:06] <Kealper> hmm....i'm half thinking i should join your server and wire it up before he gets un-afk
#2572 [21:06] <DeathConsuming> Lol
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#2574 [21:06] <DeathConsuming> He is probably eating, so it's going to be about an hour or so >_>
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#2576 [21:07] <DeathConsuming> Also, can I make rail tracks go up at a slant or no?
#2577 [21:07] <Kealper> yes
#2578 [21:08] <Kealper> juts placing them on a thing slanting up will change them to angled tracks
#2579 [21:08] <ffrogman> DeathConsuming: you could use buttons instead of levers and it would be easy
#2580 [21:08] <DeathConsuming> Lol I don't know how to make a button, plus I probably don't have the materials
#2581 [21:09] <Kealper> i hate buttons....they turn off too fast
#2582 [21:09] <ffrogman> I could tell you how
#2583 [21:09] <GreyVulpine> Kealper - repeater blocks help
#2584 [21:09] <GreyVulpine> It's how I wired up my fortress
#2585 [21:09] <DeathConsuming> Yay I have buttons
#2586 [21:09] <Kealper> GreyVulpine: hmm...i should try making an XOR with repeater blocks...i wonder how that would work
#2587 [21:10] <DeathConsuming> But yeah, I need someone to explore with D:
#2588 [21:11] <DeathConsuming> Cause my friend wen't AWOL on me xD
#2589 [21:11] <Kealper> i would, but i'm about to go mess around with redstone in my own server :/
#2590 [21:11] <DeathConsuming> Lol, you can mess around on mine, I just need someone to talk to rofl
#2591 [21:11] <ngc0202> haha
#2592 [21:11] <ngc0202> the server i use is down for some silly reason
#2593 [21:11] <Kealper> lol
#2594 [21:12] <ffrogman> ngc go away
#2595 [21:12] <ngc0202> :P
#2596 [21:12] <ffrogman> (it's my server)
#2597 [21:12] <ngc0202> its still a silly reason
#2598 [21:12] <DeathConsuming> Blah evil rail tracks won't go the way I want them to
#2599 [21:13] <ngc0202> haha
#2600 [21:13] <ngc0202> ffrog's internet shuts off when someone connects to the server xD
#2601 [21:13] <ngc0202> but not vanilla
#2602 [21:14] <ffrogman> no it happened vanilla...
#2603 [21:14] <ngc0202> did it?
#2604 [21:14] <DeathConsuming> Like I place them then I try to place them and opposite way (trying to make a rail track from my house to my cavern)
#2605 [21:14] <ngc0202> nvm it did on vanilla
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#2607 [21:19] <DeathConsuming> How doe's one curve a rail track?
#2608 [21:19] <GreyVulpine> It curves automatically, with a track that's placed 90 degrees from the rest
#2609 [21:20] <DeathConsuming> Ahhh
#2610 [21:22] <DeathConsuming> Do I use a half step to slant it?
#2611 [21:22] <TobiX> DeathConsuming: Most people just use normal blocks. It slants automatically
#2612 [21:22] <Kealper> no, just place the track, it will reshape itself to connect to eachother
#2613 [21:22] <DeathConsuming> Okay
#2614 [21:23] <DeathConsuming> Can I use a redstone torch or a level to start the cart?
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#2616 [21:23] <TobiX> Only with boosters
#2617 [21:24] <TobiX> Carts don't run on their own. (Except the powered minecart)
#2618 [21:24] <DeathConsuming> I have the powered cart thank god lol
#2619 [21:25] <Kealper> boosters are not too hard to figure out either, they just take a few to implement
#2620 [21:25] <DeathConsuming> How do I get the powered cart to run on its own? or do I have to keep clicking it
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#2622 [21:26] <Kealper> uhh...have a peice of coal in your hand, then right click it
#2623 [21:26] <Kealper> it will ride off in the direction you are facing for about 4 minutes
#2624 [21:26] <Kealper> and moves just a bit slower than you can walk
#2625 [21:28] <DeathConsuming> Okay, now I am trying to slant this railroad track but it isnt working >_<
#2626 [21:28] <DeathConsuming> Lol nvm
#2627 [21:39] <DeathConsuming> Anyway to turn off fire damage on my server?
#2628 [21:39] <GreyVulpine> Not in vanilla, that I'm aware of.
#2629 [21:40] <DeathConsuming> Ok
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#2634 [21:47] <Matt_> hello
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#2636 [21:47] <HATRIX> http://pastebin.com/LcgDWhVE
#2637 [21:47] <HATRIX> any help appreciated...
#2638 [21:49] <GreyVulpine> Huh, okay..
#2639 [21:49] <GreyVulpine> Could you pastebin one of the reports at:
#2640 [21:49] <DeathConsuming> So if my minecraft crashes will I start back at the same place?
#2641 [21:49] <GreyVulpine> /Users/Matt/Library/Logs/DiagnosticReports/JavaApplicationStub_2011-03-16-200159_KarenWoods-7830.crash
#2642 [21:49] <TobiX> DeathConsuming: Probably :)
#2643 [21:49] <GreyVulpine> /Users/Matt/Library/Logs/DiagnosticReports/JavaApplicationStub_2011-03-16-200643_KarenWoods-7830.crash
#2644 [21:49] <HATRIX> sure, greyvulpine
#2645 [21:49] <GreyVulpine> /Users/Matt/Library/Logs/DiagnosticReports/JavaApplicationStub_2011-03-16-201404_KarenWoods-7830.crash
#2646 [21:50] <GreyVulpine> Bleh, one of those will do
#2647 [21:50] <DeathConsuming> Blah it didn't spawn me where I was at
#2648 [21:51] <HATRIX> here greyvulpine! http://pastebin.com/2xJZyMWK
#2649 [21:51] <TobiX> DeathConsuming: It all depends which files Minecraft updated just before the crash. Normally, the inventory is current, the world is some minutes older...
#2650 [21:51] <DeathConsuming> Lol well, my inventory wasn't returned, and I didn't like respawn where I last saved
#2651 [21:52] <GreyVulpine> Hmm.. HATRIX - Are you on multiple monitors by chance?
#2652 [21:52] <HATRIX> no. :(
#2653 [21:52] <HATRIX> wireless iMac
#2654 [21:52] <HATRIX> desktop. running newest everything.
#2655 [21:54] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, made sure your video drivers are up to date?
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#2657 [21:54] <HATRIX> uh
#2658 [21:54] <HATRIX> i guess not
#2659 [21:54] <HATRIX> where would i go
#2660 [21:54] <HATRIX> if they are included in the apple updater, then they are updated.
#2661 [21:55] <HATRIX> but otherwise i've tried everything.
#2662 [21:55] <GreyVulpine> I'm not a mac user, so I would guess it's part of the apple updater
#2663 [21:55] <GreyVulpine> When does this occur, usually?
#2664 [21:55] <HATRIX> sporadically >.>
#2665 [21:56] <HATRIX> there doesn't seem to be any event ingame
#2666 [21:56] <HATRIX> although it's probably most often occuring when i use left click..
#2667 [21:56] <HATRIX> breaking block, torch, or just swingning... doesn't matter
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#2669 [21:56] <HATRIX> and i won't have the problem for around a week or two
#2670 [21:57] <HATRIX> but then it occurs within 5 minutes everytime i log onto minceraft
#2671 [21:57] <HATRIX> single player AND SMP.
#2672 [21:58] <GreyVulpine> What's jumping out at me is the error message repeating over and over.. (The OpenAL 143 Invalid version 28).
#2673 [22:00] <HATRIX> what program, or hardware, would that be associated with?
#2674 [22:00] <GreyVulpine> The OpenAL file is what drives the sound in minecraft. It's located in ~/library/application support/minecraft/bin/natives
#2675 [22:00] <GreyVulpine> You can try getting an updated OpenAL file from: http://connect.creativelabs.com/openal/Downloads/Forms/AllItems.aspx
#2676 [22:00] <GreyVulpine> And replacing the file in minecraft/bin/natives
#2677 [22:01] <GreyVulpine> I don't know where the mac installer installs to though.
#2678 [22:01] <HATRIX> hm
#2679 [22:01] <HATRIX> i found the minecraft bin
#2680 [22:01] <HATRIX> and natives/
#2681 [22:01] <HATRIX> just use that openAL_installer_osx?
#2682 [22:01] <HATRIX> on teh page you sent?
#2683 [22:02] <GreyVulpine> Yeah
#2684 [22:02] <HATRIX> mmkay
#2685 [22:02] <HATRIX> then what?
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#2687 [22:03] <GreyVulpine> do you know where it installed to?
#2688 [22:03] <Jackson413> hey dudes whats up
#2689 [22:03] <GreyVulpine> Copy it from where it installed to, to your minecraft/bin/natives folder
#2690 [22:04] <HATRIX> hm
#2691 [22:04] <HATRIX> it doesn't seem to be anywhere.... >.>
#2692 [22:04] <HATRIX> would it be a croup of 4 files?
#2693 [22:04] <HATRIX> al.h
#2694 [22:04] <HATRIX> alctypes.h
#2695 [22:04] <HATRIX> altypes.h
#2696 [22:05] <HATRIX> and alut.h?
#2697 [22:05] <HATRIX> or CSScriptLib.js?
#2698 [22:05] <GreyVulpine> It should be an OpenAL file of some sort
#2699 [22:05] <GreyVulpine> Try looking in Library/Frameworks
#2700 [22:05] <HATRIX> what's the extention for openAL files?
#2701 [22:05] <GreyVulpine> OpenAl32.dll?
#2702 [22:06] <GreyVulpine> er wait
#2703 [22:06] <GreyVulpine> .dll files are windows... aren't they
#2704 [22:06] <HATRIX> hmm, no frameworks...
#2705 [22:06] <HATRIX> googling an equivelent.
#2706 [22:06] <GreyVulpine> In your minecraft/bin/natives folder
#2707 [22:06] <GreyVulpine> What's the OpenAL file there?
#2708 [22:07] <HATRIX> there seemingly is none
#2709 [22:07] <HATRIX> there are four files
#2710 [22:07] <GreyVulpine> What files?
#2711 [22:07] <HATRIX> 2 have extensions of .jnilib
#2712 [22:07] <HATRIX> and the other two end in .dylib
#2713 [22:07] <HATRIX> oh
#2714 [22:07] <HATRIX> i'll post their full name
#2715 [22:07] <HATRIX> libjinput-osx.jnilib
#2716 [22:07] <HATRIX> liblwjgl.jnilib
#2717 [22:07] <HATRIX> libopenal.dylib
#2718 [22:07] <HATRIX> and openal.dylib
#2719 [22:08] <GreyVulpine> The last two.
#2720 [22:08] <HATRIX> so it says openal, just not with a .nll
#2721 [22:08] <HATRIX> what do with them?
#2722 [22:08] <HATRIX> found frameworks
#2723 [22:08] <HATRIX> it was hiding
#2724 [22:08] <Jackson413> is kealper here?
#2725 [22:09] <GreyVulpine> Find the updated file that it installed.
#2726 [22:09] <Kealper> rawr
#2727 [22:09] <Jackson413> hey man
#2728 [22:09] <HATRIX> called?
#2729 [22:09] <GreyVulpine> And replace the libopenal and openal files
#2730 [22:09] <Jackson413> are you good with code?
#2731 [22:09] <Jackson413> like websites?
#2732 [22:09] <HATRIX> ah, so the new ones are in the frameworks?
#2733 [22:09] <Kealper> Jackson413: HTML?
#2734 [22:09] <HATRIX> supposedely...
#2735 [22:09] <Jackson413> right now im trying to find a bit of fuckup in css
#2736 [22:09] <Jackson413> and i cannot find it
#2737 [22:09] <Jackson413> at all
#2738 [22:10] <Kealper> pastebin it, i guess i can take a glance
#2739 [22:10] <Jackson413> pm me since this doesnt have to do with mc
#2740 [22:10] <HATRIX> greyvulpine, i went' into openal.framework
#2741 [22:10] <Jackson413> but no i cannot
#2742 [22:10] <Jackson413> there are tons of files that go into this
#2743 [22:10] <Kealper> ugh
#2744 [22:10] <HATRIX> and there are three folders, and one unix executable file.... greyvulpine
#2745 [22:12] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, I'm not sure HATRIX
#2746 [22:12] <GreyVulpine> Can you do a search on your computer, look for any openAL files. see which one has been recently updated
#2747 [22:12] <HATRIX> lol all recently updated today
#2748 [22:12] <HATRIX> same time for all
#2749 [22:13] <GreyVulpine> Use that file to replace the file in minecraft/bin/natives
#2750 [22:13] <HATRIX> one folder is a 'folder'
#2751 [22:13] <HATRIX> the other two folders, and exec file are 'alias'
#2752 [22:13] <HATRIX> if that helps
#2753 [22:14] <HATRIX> okay
#2754 [22:14] <HATRIX> i htink i have something
#2755 [22:15] <HATRIX> i found a second exec. file called 'OpenAL'
#2756 [22:15] <HATRIX> it's last modified 9-10-2004
#2757 [22:15] <HATRIX> the alias was modified today.
#2758 [22:16] <GreyVulpine> how about libopenal.dylib and openal.dylib ?
#2759 [22:16] <HATRIX> woudl htey be resources? or headers?
#2760 [22:16] <HATRIX> i'll check both...
#2761 [22:17] <HATRIX> nope
#2762 [22:17] <HATRIX> .plist files under resources
#2763 [22:18] <HATRIX> and those '.h' files i mentioned earlier
#2764 [22:18] <HATRIX> all old though.
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#2768 [22:20] <HATRIX> english.lproj
#2769 [22:20] <HATRIX> oh
#2770 [22:20] <HATRIX> i tried to run the openAL exec file...
#2771 [22:21] <HATRIX> You need the Rosetta software to run OpenAL. The Rosetta installer is in Optional Installs on your Mac OS X installation disc.
#2772 [22:21] <HATRIX> I was informed of that.
#2773 [22:21] <HATRIX> would that cause the problem?!
#2774 [22:21] <GreyVulpine> bleh
#2775 [22:21] <HATRIX> lol darn.
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#2777 [22:23] <Lish> !server
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#2781 [22:30] * VoxelHead is back
#2781 [22:30] <HATRIX> well if you think of something, send word greyvulpine!
#2782 [22:30] <HATRIX> Goodnight!
#2783 [22:30] <VoxelHead> \o/
#2784 [22:30] <HATRIX> o/
#2785 [22:31] <Lish> I need some help with a dedicated box. Vanilla install keeps crashing on when anyone connects and I've tried the !server link
#2786 [22:31] <Lish> Windows Server 2003
#2787 [22:31] <Lish> x64
#2788 [22:32] <Lish> It's telling me that I need to log in (when it doesn't crash), but I'm not using a Creative version of the server software, for sure.
#2789 [22:34] <Lish> Anyone? :x
#2790 [22:35] <Jackson413> hold on kealper might help you
#2791 [22:35] <Kealper> you are 120% using the classic server if it's crashing the client and saying "You need to log in!"
#2792 [22:35] <Lish> Okay
#2793 [22:35] <Lish> I was talking to xales for a bit earlier today
#2794 [22:36] <Lish> I am 120% not.
#2795 [22:36] <Lish> I swear
#2796 [22:36] <Kealper> are you using a batch file to run it, or are you running an exe?
#2797 [22:36] <Lish> I've tried both
#2798 [22:36] <Lish> Same issue on each
#2799 [22:36] <GreyVulpine> Copy-paste the launch command in the .bat
#2800 [22:36] <Kealper> have you tried restarting the computer?
#2801 [22:37] <VoxelHead> No, never, not me.
#2802 [22:37] <Kealper> vox, shut it
#2803 [22:37] <Lish> I have
#2804 [22:37] <Lish> It's been restarted many times
#2805 [22:37] <Lish> And everything was downloaded last night (java, server, drivers), so it's all up to date
#2806 [22:37] <Kealper> i dun believe....start the server and PM me the server's address (if you don't want to send it to the channel)
#2807 [22:38] <Kealper> !unload mod_telnet
#2808 [22:38] <Kealper> that stupid module is going to make me have a massive stress-related coronary
#2809 [22:38] <Lish> give me a sec to get it loaded
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#2814 [23:00] <xales> Kealper, how does server work?
#2815 [23:00] <Kealper> eh?
#2816 [23:00] <Kealper> oh
#2817 [23:00] <Kealper> this? great lol
#2818 [23:00] <xales> \o/
#2819 [23:03] <Lish> mine is still broken, though :(
#2820 [23:03] <Shadow386> Kealper
#2821 [23:03] <Shadow386> Can I has babbeys?
#2822 [23:04] <Kealper> Shadow386: eh?
#2823 [23:04] <Shadow386> I want babbeys
#2824 [23:04] <Kealper> Lish: he wasn't talking about a minecraft server lol
#2825 [23:04] <Lish> oh
#2826 [23:04] <Lish> lol
#2827 [23:04] <Lish> ;x
#2828 [23:04] <Kealper> Shadow386: well too bad, nature won't allow it!
#2829 [23:04] <Kealper> :P
#2830 [23:04] <Shadow386> FUUUUUUUUU
#2831 [23:05] <xales> Shadow386
#2832 [23:05] <xales> you already have my babbeys
#2833 [23:05] <xales> you whoreface
#2834 [23:05] <xales> :|
#2835 [23:05] <Shadow386> >.>
#2836 [23:05] <xales> <.<
#2837 [23:05] <Shadow386> Didn't know YOU were here
#2838 [23:05] <Shadow386> T_T
#2839 [23:05] <xales> :D
#2840 [23:05] <Shadow386> Well
#2841 [23:05] <Shadow386> hate to say it
#2842 [23:05] <Shadow386> but its over
#2843 [23:05] <Shadow386> you no love me enough
#2844 [23:05] <xales> :OOOO
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#2846 [23:11] <mib_v28dti> !check 99.93.141.243
#2847 [23:12] <mib_v28dti> !check 99.93.141.243
#2848 [23:12] <mib_v28dti> !check 99.93.141.243
#2849 [23:18] <mib_v28dti> !check 99.93.141.243
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#2851 [23:24] <Kealper> well that was a bit annoying....
#2852 [23:24] <Kealper> forgot the ssh port
#2853 [23:24] <Lish> okay
#2854 [23:24] <Lish> so
#2855 [23:24] <Lish> the guy running the server disabled flow control altogether
#2856 [23:25] <Lish> and it still crashed
#2857 [23:25] <Lish> so I guess I'm off to vm land
#2858 [23:25] <Kealper> yeah, it's not flow control that is causing it
#2859 [23:25] <Kealper> the transmit buffer for the server is too small, so it's overflowing it when someone connects and the mc server tries to send off the map data
#2860 [23:26] <Lish> so how would I adjust that?
#2861 [23:26] <Kealper> a vm might help that by not trying to cram a square peg through a round hole...
#2862 [23:26] <Lish> or is that something that's not adjustable?
#2863 [23:26] <Kealper> can't be adjusted, already checked that
#2864 [23:28] <Lish> hmm
#2865 [23:29] <Lish> I just tried running that server software on my computer and connected and it gave me a java ioexception: bad packet id 48
#2866 [23:29] <Lish> Is that because of java on my end or is that an actual error to worry about?
#2867 [23:29] <Kealper> using ZoneAlarm on your computer?
#2868 [23:30] <Lish> yeah
#2869 [23:30] <Kealper> kill it with fire
#2870 [23:30] <Lish> :/
#2871 [23:30] <Kealper> ZoneAlarm is really sub-par software :/
#2872 [23:30] <GreyVulpine> Zonealarm's been known around here to cause problems with hosting minecraft
#2873 [23:31] <Kealper> (totally serious, disable ZA and you'll be able to connect just fine)
#2874 [23:31] <Lish> Yeah, but I'm not trying to run the server from my desktop. I just wanted to verify that the file worked
#2875 [23:31] <Lish> which, I guess, it does
#2876 [23:31] <Kealper> oh lol
#2877 [23:32] <Lish> This is so frustrating.
#2878 [23:32] <Lish> I've put, like, six hours into trying to get this to work.
#2879 [23:32] <Kealper> :/
#2880 [23:32] <Kealper> did you try it in a VM?
#2881 [23:33] <Lish> Working on it
#2882 [23:34] * GreyVulpine wonders if it's a good idea to hot-swap a dvd burner while the computer is running
#2882 [23:34] <DopeGhoti> GreyVulpine: what interface?
#2883 [23:34] <GreyVulpine> IDE
#2884 [23:34] <VoxelHead> cold
#2885 [23:34] <Lish> interesting
#2886 [23:34] <Kealper> ehh
#2887 [23:34] <Lish> Lish lost connection: disconnect.endOfStream
#2888 [23:34] <Kealper> GreyVulpine: it'll probably lock windows up
#2889 [23:34] <Lish> 2011-03-16 23:25:12 [WARNING] Can't keep up! Did the system time change, or is the server overloaded?
#2890 [23:34] <Kealper> Lish: was that from your computer again?
#2891 [23:35] <Lish> no
#2892 [23:35] <GreyVulpine> I've done it with an IDE hard drive before, once, with no problems
#2893 [23:35] <Lish> server
#2894 [23:35] <GreyVulpine> Counted myself lucky, and never did it again
#2895 [23:35] <Kealper> GreyVulpine: yeah....i tried that before....didn't end well :/
#2896 [23:35] <GreyVulpine> But it's just an IDE dvd burner.. not in use..
#2897 [23:35] * GreyVulpine is tempted
#2897 [23:36] <Lish> also
#2898 [23:36] <Kealper> usually works with sata drives, because you can unmount them before unplugging them....IDE...not so much...lol
#2899 [23:36] <Lish> [INFO] Kealper [/67.177.131.104:51453] logged in with entity id 1258
#2900 [23:36] <Lish> 2011-03-16 22:40:26 [INFO] Kealper lost connection: disconnect.endOfStream
#2901 [23:36] <Lish> 2011-03-16 22:46:51
#2902 [23:36] <Lish> so I'm intrigued.
#2903 [23:37] <Kealper> caused from the overflow :/
#2904 [23:37] <Kealper> it didn't get the full packet data it was expecting
#2905 [23:38] <TobiX> IDE is not designed for hot-plugging, so you CAN fry the device, the controller (incl. motherboard) or both...
#2906 [23:38] <TobiX> On the other hand, I once hot-swapped the BIOS flash chip on a running system ;)
#2907 [23:38] <GreyVulpine> Oh, I'm totally aware of that TobiX
#2908 [23:38] <Kealper> TobiX: balls of steel on that one lol
#2909 [23:39] <GreyVulpine> It's just, I'm wondering if it's worth it
#2910 [23:39] <DopeGhoti> GreyVulpine: with modern drivers, you can hotswap IDE drives
#2911 [23:39] <DopeGhoti> even in Windows
#2912 [23:39] <GreyVulpine> Bleh, yeah, forget it then
#2913 [23:39] <DopeGhoti> (hotswapping IDE is how I jailbroke my xbox)
#2914 [23:40] <DopeGhoti> (or whatever it was called back then)
#2915 [23:42] <TobiX> Kealper: I did a bad flash and the system wouldn't boot anymore. So I took the BIOS of another system (slightly differen motherboard), booted, hot-swapped the chip and re-did the flash...
#2916 [23:43] <Kealper> lol
#2917 [23:43] <GreyVulpine> Nice!
#2918 [23:44] <TobiX> The BIOS of the slightly different board tatally freaked out, most of the hardware wasn't detected, but it was enough to start te BIOS flash floppy...
#2919 [23:44] <GreyVulpine> You got uber lucky.
#2920 [23:45] <TobiX> Today, I would mount the broken BIOS onto a Realtek 8139 card and use the network card flashing tool... Much less risk :)
#2921 [23:48] <TobiX> Well, that procedure is kinda documented online. But it has the same problem as IDE hotplugging... Chip sockets are not designed for hot-plugging, so they connect the pins in a pretty unpredictable order, which migh fry one of the involved components, if you are unlucky...
#2922 [23:50] <TobiX> Ohh, you can use 3Com NICs nowadays: http://www.flashrom.org/File:3com_prog.jpg - I even have one of those!
#2923 [23:53] <GreyVulpine> brb, going to chance the hot-swap.. if I disconnect, you'll know why