#1 [00:00] <Dec> u said.
#2 [00:00] <Dec> oh nvm
#3 [00:00] <xales> I said CPU
#4 [00:00] <Dec> I reread it...
#5 [00:00] <xales> not computer
#6 [00:00] <xales> ._.
#7 [00:00] <Bob_Sack> pastebin a dxdiag?
#8 [00:00] <Dec> shhh...
#9 [00:00] <Dec> I got dis
#10 [00:01] <Dec> DAMNIT I CANT HIGHLIGHT IN DXDIAG
#11 [00:01] <VoxelHead> o_O
#12 [00:01] <Dec> Los siento señor
#13 [00:01] <Bob_Sack> ..you can select all
#14 [00:01] <Bob_Sack> then copypasta to pastebin
#15 [00:02] <Dec> Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 450 @2.20GHz, -2,2GHz
#16 [00:03] <Dec> just change the - to a ~ I mistyped...
#17 [00:03] <xales> eugh
#18 [00:03] <xales> that's probably the issue
#19 [00:03] <xales> :|
#20 [00:03] <Bob_Sack> celeron.. lol
#21 [00:03] <xales> that CPU is literally
#22 [00:03] <xales> a hunk of garbage
#23 [00:03] <Dec> ...
#24 [00:03] <Dec> atleast its 2.20 GHz
#25 [00:03] <xales> my cell phone, literally, has a faster CPU
#26 [00:03] <xales> and the clock speed means virtually nothing, lol
#27 [00:03] <Dec> lol my broken laptops faster though
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#29 [00:03] <Dec> it has even 1 gig of ram
#30 [00:04] <Bob_Sack> cache is shit on celerons
#31 [00:04] <xales> everything is shit on celerons
#32 [00:04] <xales> they deliberately take the lowest model and remove shit
#33 [00:04] <xales> :|
#34 [00:04] <Dec> My laptop has 1 gig Ram and this 2 Gigs
#35 [00:04] <xales> I highly suggest looking into a new computer
#36 [00:05] <xales> can't really help beyond that
#37 [00:05] <Bob_Sack> Joshua, suggest a new computer for Dec
#38 [00:05] <Dec> So u guys r considered representativs of Minecraft?
#39 [00:05] <xales> no
#40 [00:05] <Dec> jw
#41 [00:05] <Dec> oh or just mods or somethin?
#42 [00:05] <xales> we are community support, not official in any way
#43 [00:05] <Bob_Sack> im nobody important
#44 [00:05] <Dec> oh...
#45 [00:05] <xales> there is nowhere else to go for help, though
#46 [00:05] <Dec> good point
#47 [00:05] <xales> Mojang only offers support for payment issues
#48 [00:06] <Dec> if only Rift had this
#49 [00:06] <xales> it probably does
#50 [00:06] <Dec> U guys know rift? not trying to advertise :/
#51 [00:06] <xales> just not listed on their site
#52 [00:06] <Bob_Sack> official support systems have been shit in my experience
#53 [00:06] <Dec> yeah...
#54 [00:06] <Bob_Sack> the support guys gotta follow a script
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#56 [00:07] <Dec> Umm I have a question
#57 [00:07] <xales> okay?
#58 [00:07] <xales> just ask
#59 [00:07] <Dec> If I switched to XP with 2 gigs, would it be faster then Vista? Because Vista needs more memory to run.
#60 [00:07] <Dec> 2 gigs of Ram
#61 [00:07] <xales> certainly would, might not be noticable
#62 [00:08] <Bob_Sack> it'd be faster, but less compatible with newer programs
#63 [00:08] <Bob_Sack> nobody develops for XP anymore
#64 [00:08] <Dec> How about Ubuntu Linux?
#65 [00:08] <Dec> anyone know that OS?
#66 [00:08] <Bob_Sack> not great for gaming, but its hella faster than windows
#67 [00:08] <Mathuin> I like it.
#68 [00:08] <xales> it's wonderful for gaming
#69 [00:08] <xales> if it supports the game
#70 [00:08] <xales> :P
#71 [00:09] <Bob_Sack> yeah
#72 [00:09] <Dec> Ubuntu is wonderful for gaming?
#73 [00:09] <xales> well, Linux in general is just better than Windows
#74 [00:09] <Dec> oh...
#75 [00:09] <Bob_Sack> games i play are never compatible
#76 [00:09] <Mathuin> I play Civ5 and Minecraft on Ubuntu via Wine.
#77 [00:09] <Mathuin> And Linux isn't better than Windows, it's just different.
#78 [00:09] <Bob_Sack> so i gotta run wine or crossover, and they never work spectacularly either
#79 [00:09] <Dec> I have an OS simulater
#80 [00:09] <Dec> Simulator
#81 [00:09] <Mathuin> It's generally designed to do things differently, which can be good -- or bad.
#82 [00:09] <Dec> that lets me use Ubuntu while using windows
#83 [00:09] <Mathuin> Lately I've been 50/50 with Wine. When it works, it's great. When it doesn't, it's sux0rsville.
#84 [00:10] <Dec> So basically the program is ubuntu
#85 [00:10] <Bob_Sack> i get over 100 fps playin guild wars on windows vista, but ~20 on ubuntu with wine/crossover
#86 [00:10] <xales> Mathuin: It's literally better in quite a few ways
#87 [00:10] <Bob_Sack> so i just bit the bullet and used windows
#88 [00:10] <xales> let's start with Linux itself
#89 [00:10] <xales> the kernel is not a resource hog, doesn't crash, and makes sense
#90 [00:10] <Mathuin> xales: It's also worse in quite a few ways.
#91 [00:10] <Mathuin> That's what "different" means.
#92 [00:11] <xales> For most people, it's better
#93 [00:11] <Jerub> i love how you say those things like you believe them instead of like you're being ironic.
#94 [00:11] <Bob_Sack> it's complicated as shit compared to windows
#95 [00:11] <xales> Bob_Sack: It's actually not. You are just used to Windows :)
#96 [00:11] <xales> Windows is just as complicated, if not more. It just doesn't let you touch anything low-level
#97 [00:11] <Bob_Sack> in windows: go to website, download .exe, ????, PROFIT!
#98 [00:11] <xales> In Linux, open package manager, search, tick box, click apply, ??? PROFIT!
#99 [00:12] <Bob_Sack> on linux: go to package manager, can't find package, go to website, download source, dont know how to compile cause im noob, ????, FAIL
#100 [00:12] <Dec> lol
#101 [00:12] <Bob_Sack> just based on experience
#102 [00:12] <xales> if it's not in the repositories of most big distros, it's really obscure, these days
#103 [00:12] <xales> and compiling is really not hard. at all.
#104 [00:12] <xales> most of the time it's just
#105 [00:12] <Mathuin> For some people, it's better, for others, it's not. I have administered networks of both for a long long time.
#106 [00:12] <xales> ./configure
#107 [00:12] <xales> make
#108 [00:12] <xales> make install
#109 [00:12] <xales> :P
#110 [00:12] <Dec> I have ubuntu on a disc but I cant connect to the internet when I use it
#111 [00:13] <AndrewPH> xales, most of the time it's actually just 'make'
#112 [00:13] <xales> AndrewPH: Nope.avi
#113 [00:13] <AndrewPH> xales, if you JUST WANT TO COMPEIL
#114 [00:13] <xales> :|
#115 [00:13] <Dec> because im using a wireless adapter I thinks only compatable with windows
#116 [00:13] <Mathuin> Compiling lately is a bit more of a pain in the ass for some projects. Try rebuilding numpy, for instance.
#117 [00:13] <VoxelHead> adapterless wire
#118 [00:13] <Bob_Sack> i was just gonna say that dec
#119 [00:13] <VoxelHead> The ass-for.
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#121 [00:13] <Bob_Sack> i had a wireless adapter that didn't work with linux
#122 [00:14] <Bob_Sack> u gotta access the internet to get drivers, but can't because the adapter isn't plug n play with that distro
#123 [00:14] <AndrewPH> ethernet
#124 [00:14] <xales> ^
#125 [00:14] <xales> plug in ethernet, get driver, ??? PROFIT
#126 [00:14] <Bob_Sack> i didn't have the choice a few years ago =P
#127 [00:14] <xales> of course you did
#128 [00:14] <AndrewPH> I often don't have that choice, sadly
#129 [00:14] <xales> unplug wireless router
#130 [00:14] * Bob_Sack was stealin internet from neighbors
#130 [00:14] <Dec> I got the wireless adapter for a reason lmao
#131 [00:14] <xales> plug into computer
#132 [00:14] <Mathuin> xales: hahahahaha. I had to _pay a bounty_ for the last Ethernet driver I needed for Linux.
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#134 [00:15] <xales> Mathuin: find me a modern NIC that's not supported by kernel internally
#135 [00:15] <xales> :P
#136 [00:16] <Bob_Sack> $5 mathuin is googling
#137 [00:16] <xales> lol
#138 [00:17] <Mathuin> Bob_Sack: I'm actually eating dinner in another room.
#139 [00:17] <Mathuin> The Asus Eee 1000 (not 1000HA or whatever) had unsupported wifi when I got it months after it was released. I paid $200 for a driver to be written for FreeBSD since that had a partly working driver.
#140 [00:17] <xales> suuuurrreeeee
#141 [00:18] <xales> lol
#142 [00:18] <Mathuin> It's parbaked bread and shepherd's pie.
#143 [00:18] <Jerub> xales: um, it depends on the distro. debian isn't shipping blobs anymore and that's a barrier to getting one of the rtl nics going
#144 [00:18] <Mathuin> I don't recommend it.
#145 [00:18] <xales> Jerub: By Linux I mean Linux not Debian :)
#146 [00:18] <Dec> I'm learning so much...
#147 [00:18] <Jerub> but it depends on if you're talking kernel, kernel+blobs, or specific distro
#148 [00:18] <Jerub> there's shitloads of hardware that doesn't work without blobs.
#149 [00:19] <Mathuin> Eh, by saying "any distro not the one that you might be using", you are diluting the conversation to have no benefit.
#150 [00:19] <Bob_Sack> Joshua: linux or windows?
#151 [00:19] <Joshua> : by linux i mean no
#152 [00:19] <Mathuin> Here's an example of how Linux is actually, right now, a PITA over Windows for me.
#153 [00:19] <Bob_Sack> josh = windows fanboi
#154 [00:20] <Mathuin> I'm using Ubuntu. Their version of numpy is two years old. I asked for it to be updated. They said "next major release". With Windows, I'd just click on a self-installer and boom. My alternative with Ubuntu? Download the source and recompile. What if it relies on 2948 other things? Tough luck. at least they're open source too.
#155 [00:20] <Mathuin> The *same thing* happened this week at work with trac on Centos.
#156 [00:20] <Mathuin> I had to rebuild apache and subversion and mysql just to get trac to work. what's the point of a repository then?
#157 [00:20] <Jerub> Mathuin: heh. fail.
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#159 [00:21] <xales> Mathuin: use Arch
#160 [00:21] <xales> :)
#161 [00:21] <Jerub> Mathuin: if you want numpy updates use the ppa on lp
#162 [00:21] <Jerub> https://edge.launchpad.net/~scipy/+archive/ppa
#163 [00:21] <Mathuin> I had trouble with that ppa because it wasn't supporting 64bit.
#164 [00:21] <Jerub> so ask /them/ to fix it.
#165 [00:22] <xales> Mathuin: Arch
#166 [00:22] <xales> try it
#167 [00:22] <xales> :)
#168 [00:22] <Jerub> arch fucked python badly.
#169 [00:22] <Dec> So Ubuntu's better?
#170 [00:22] <xales> how so?
#171 [00:22] <xales> python works just fine for me
#172 [00:22] <xales> :|
#173 [00:22] <Dec> what OS is it thats JUST code?
#174 [00:22] <Jerub> mishandled the python3 upgrade by making /usr/bin/python point ot python3, which is source incompatible with python2
#175 [00:22] <Dec> all command based?
#176 [00:22] <Mathuin> Dec: FreeBSD was that for me for years.
#177 [00:22] <xales> Dec: it doesn't work like that
#178 [00:23] <Mathuin> Like eight or nine years I eschewed any GUI more complex than fvwm.
#179 [00:23] <Dec> Well someone told me...
#180 [00:23] <Dec> nvm
#181 [00:23] <xales> any of the Unix derivitives have some version of X that can be installed on them
#182 [00:23] <xales> you don't have to use a GUI, but you can
#183 [00:23] <Jerub> anyone who wrote any software of their own on arch and then upgraded suddenly had to fix either their source or their hashbang lines. it's still an ongoing support nightmare for people who release software that is being deployed by others on arch.
#184 [00:24] <Mathuin> It's a really really hard job, to maintain currency while minimizing the surprise.
#185 [00:24] <Mathuin> Windows, for all its sins, does a pretty decent job of that.
#186 [00:25] <Bob_Sack> they both have their advantages and disadvantages
#187 [00:25] <Dec> forget minecraft classic its still freezing for me
#188 [00:25] <Bob_Sack> if linux got more game dev support, or windows wasn't so.. windows-y, i'd have a perfect OS
#189 [00:25] <Mathuin> Bob_Sack: it's what I've been saying all along. And now I'm out of bread.
#190 [00:26] <Bob_Sack> i lol that game devs support mac before linux, when linux is used by far more users than mac is
#191 [00:26] <Dec> Can anyone suggest a cheap, decent pc I could buy thats better then the one I got with celeron cpu?
#192 [00:26] <Bob_Sack> but look at any sales statistic and mac will be higher because most linux distros are free, and HAVE NO SALES
#193 [00:26] <xales> Dec: any modern PC? :P
#194 [00:26] <xales> any modern not laptop not netbook PC
#195 [00:26] <xales> lol
#196 [00:27] <Mathuin> Bob_Sack: That's mostly going by the wayside since it's possible to buy a PC with Linux on it and that's now being tracked.
#197 [00:27] <Dec> ffs
#198 [00:27] <Dec> lol
#199 [00:27] <Dec> just a decent desktop
#200 [00:27] <xales> pretty much
#201 [00:27] <Mathuin> Dec: my next desktop will cost just under a grand, and will smoke the pants off this current box.
#202 [00:27] <Bob_Sack> android and iphones can run minecraft classic, but modern laptops can't
#203 [00:27] <Bob_Sack> somethins wrong here
#204 [00:27] <Jerub> Bob_Sack: um, can they? how?
#205 [00:28] <Bob_Sack> there's a few unofficial minecraft classic games on iphone or android
#206 [00:28] <Bob_Sack> some got taken down
#207 [00:28] <Dec> Minecraft app?
#208 [00:28] <xales> well, that's not Minecraft Classic, is it?
#209 [00:28] <xales> :P
#210 [00:28] <Bob_Sack> idk if they used original code or not
#211 [00:29] <Mathuin> The concepts of Minecraft are straightforward enough someone could reimplement the client and server. It's definitely been done for both if what I've read online is true.
#212 [00:30] <Bob_Sack> i've seen similar games and blatant clones on smart phones
#213 [00:30] <Dec> No one wants to suggest a new pc model for me???
#214 [00:30] <Bob_Sack> one or two are/were compatible with the minecraft map format
#215 [00:31] <Bob_Sack> Dec, if it costs more than $500 and isn't small enough to fit in a duffel bag, buy it
#216 [00:31] <Mathuin> ... so neolithic man wore stone bracers in 2300 BC, why can't I have stone armor in Minecraft?
#217 [00:31] <Dec> hmmm ill think about it
#218 [00:31] <VoxelHead> =D
#219 [00:32] <Jerub> Mathuin: do you know how heavy a suit of armor is? :P
#220 [00:32] <Mathuin> Jerub: I'm packing multiple stacks of 64 1m^2 chunks of stone, what's the difference?
#221 [00:33] <Jerub> no DM checks encumberance for inventory, but they always give you your max dex from armor.
#222 [00:33] <Jerub> it's the way of the world.
#223 [00:34] <Dec> lenovo IdeaCentre H405 (7723-1FU) Athlon II X2 255(3.1GHz) 3GB DDR3 500GB HDD Capacity ATI Radeon 3000 graphics Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit $369.99 worth it?
#224 [00:34] <VoxelHead> let me consult a fortune cookie
#225 [00:34] <Bob_Sack> that makes me sad
#226 [00:35] <Dec> what? me now knowing if its worth it?
#227 [00:35] <Bob_Sack> my computer is slightly better, and cost 800 2 years ago
#228 [00:35] <Bob_Sack> so yeah i'd say it's worth it
#229 [00:36] <Dec> is ATI Radeon 3000 a good graphics card?
#230 [00:36] <Bob_Sack> it's decent
#231 [00:36] <Bob_Sack> it'll run minecraft at least
#232 [00:36] <Dec> hmm
#233 [00:36] <Bob_Sack> mine's a 4650 and i can run HD textures on minecraft beta
#234 [00:37] * Cyberstorm[Work] sighs at constant griefing.
#234 [00:37] <Dec> Sony VAIO L Series VPCL138FX/B 24" Core 2 Quad Q8400S(2.66GHz) 8GB DDR2 2TB HDD Capacity NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit $259.99 worth it?
#235 [00:37] <xales> wat
#236 [00:37] <xales> that
#237 [00:37] <xales> for $300
#238 [00:37] <xales> wtf
#239 [00:37] <Bob_Sack> yeah really
#240 [00:37] <Dec> so its good?
#241 [00:37] <xales> no, it sounds like a ripoff/scam
#242 [00:37] <Bob_Sack> that's far better than mine, and less than half the price
#243 [00:37] <Bob_Sack> doesn't compute
#244 [00:38] <xales> that's like a $700 computer
#245 [00:38] <xales> :|
#246 [00:38] <Dec> oh crap I left a 1 off...........
#247 [00:38] <Dec> 1,259.99
#248 [00:38] <xales> ah
#249 [00:38] <xales> it would be cheaper if you didn't try to get a laptop, lol
#250 [00:38] <xales> but that would do it
#251 [00:39] <Dec> lol
#252 [00:39] <Dec> ok
#253 [00:39] * VoxelHead is away: bnar
#253 [00:41] <Mathuin> I'm trying to avoid getting a new laptop. I think I'd rather have a tablet.
#254 [00:41] <Dec> I have a graphics card in mind of getting...
#255 [00:41] <Dec> EVGA 01G-P3-1561-AR GeForce GTX 560 Ti FPB Video Card - 1GB, GDDR5, PCI-Express 2.0 (x16), Dual DVI, HDMI, DirectX 11, SLI Ready
#256 [00:41] <Bob_Sack> laptops are cheaper for more power, and have a physical keyboard =P
#257 [00:42] <Dec> 259.99
#258 [00:42] <xales> if you want to get that, don't expect it to fit in your current computer
#259 [00:42] <Dec> the graphics card?
#260 [00:42] <Mathuin> Bob_Sack: they're bulkier and the keyboard's not always a win.
#261 [00:42] <xales> yes, Dec
#262 [00:42] <Bob_Sack> tablets are also pretentious and douchie
#263 [00:42] <Dec> makin sure...
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#265 [00:43] <aetherian> bock
#266 [00:43] <Dec> is it worth $259
#267 [00:43] <xales> pretty much everything is "worth" the price
#268 [00:43] <Mathuin> Bob_Sack: Well, sure, but so were smartphones. :-)
#269 [00:43] <Bob_Sack> Joshua: tablet or laptop?
#270 [00:43] <xales> but that card will not work with your current computer
#271 [00:43] <xales> I guarantee you that
#272 [00:43] <Joshua> my laptop has 1 gig of ram
#273 [00:43] <Bob_Sack> and i bet it cost 1/4 the price of a tablet at the same specs
#274 [00:44] <Dec> Thats why im gonna get a new pc aswell
#275 [00:44] <Mathuin> Bob_Sack: Mebbe, mebbe not. I might end up retiring my smartphone if I get a tablet. I hate making phone calls.
#276 [00:44] <Bob_Sack> android tablets and ipads are ridiculous
#277 [00:45] <Bob_Sack> they're fat smartphones, without the phone function
#278 [00:45] <xales> Dec: if you get a laptop, that card will also not work
#279 [00:45] <xales> and it might not work in a lower end PC too
#280 [00:45] <xales> the powersupply probably can't take it
#281 [00:46] <Dec> im not getting a laptop
#282 [00:46] <Dec> im getting a desktop
#283 [00:46] <xales> ok then
#284 [00:46] <Bob_Sack> im gettin the annual urge to go try and use linux again, but i know ima regret it when most of my games are slow as shit =P
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#286 [00:47] <xales> Bob_Sack: if they are slow then you have the wrong driver :P
#287 [00:47] <Bob_Sack> windows games on wine = slow
#288 [00:47] <xales> lol
#289 [00:47] <xales> not as bad recently
#290 [00:48] <Mathuin> Bob_Sack: Civilization 5 worked fast enough for me.
#291 [00:48] <Bob_Sack> that's always been my only problem with linux, is that devs dont develop for linux
#292 [00:48] <Bob_Sack> well game devs
#293 [00:48] <Dec> thats why u get a converter right?
#294 [00:48] <xales> there are no such things as converters
#295 [00:48] <xales> there are no magic programs to make a program written for one system work on another :|
#296 [00:48] <Dec> Look, I dont know much about Linux, im just trying to help :/
#297 [00:48] <xales> I'm just sayin'
#298 [00:48] <xales> :|
#299 [00:49] <aetherian> hey
#300 [00:49] <Bob_Sack> getting windows to work on linux is like getting a hippo to make love to an elephant
#301 [00:49] <aetherian> heh
#302 [00:49] <Bob_Sack> not impossible.. but u gotta get creative
#303 [00:49] <xales> Bob_Sack: you could always do what I do
#304 [00:49] <AndrewPH> no, it's like installing virtualbox
#305 [00:49] <xales> and run Windows for games and Linux for all else
#306 [00:49] <AndrewPH> that's how you get windows working on linux
#307 [00:49] <xales> AndrewPH: or dualboot, derp
#308 [00:49] <aetherian> haha
#309 [00:49] <AndrewPH> get windows working in linux
#310 [00:49] <AndrewPH> dualboot does not accomplish this
#311 [00:49] <aetherian> that would be fail to run a VM for games
#312 [00:49] <Bob_Sack> i play games 90% of the time, so a dualboot would just be silly for me
#313 [00:49] <xales> well.
#314 [00:50] <Chr|s> minecraft > then all games
#315 [00:50] <Chr|s> and it works with linux!
#316 [00:50] <aetherian> :D
#317 [00:50] <Mathuin> Most games wouldn't work well in a VM, that's true.
#318 [00:50] <aetherian> (yay java for this, anyway)
#319 [00:50] <AndrewPH> So I have an EC2 instance and what do?
#320 [00:50] <Bob_Sack> only reason java is a good idea for minecraft
#321 [00:50] <Jerub> it's a terrible idea regardless :(
#322 [00:51] <Bob_Sack> multi-platformability (in theory)
#323 [00:51] <aetherian> write it in asm :p
#324 [00:51] <Mathuin> AndrewPH: I have wondered if a Minecraft server could run on an EC2 instance and if it would be excessively expensive.
#325 [00:51] <aetherian> (for all platforms, just write it again)
#326 [00:51] <AndrewPH> Mathuin, it would be insanely expensive to have it running 24/7
#327 [00:51] <Mathuin> Ugggggg, 90% done.
#328 [00:51] <Mathuin> AndrewPH: What do you use the instance for?
#329 [00:51] <Bob_Sack> aetherian: go on getsatisfaction and suggest notch program in asm
#330 [00:52] <AndrewPH> Mathuin, free tier, whatever I want?
#331 [00:52] <aetherian> Bob_Sack: nah, machine language
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#333 [00:52] <Bob_Sack> lol def
#334 [00:52] <Bob_Sack> or just get him to charge capacitors by hand
#335 [00:52] <Mathuin> AndrewPH: Yeah, but what do you want? :-) I'm just trying to learn from people who really use them.
#336 [00:52] <AndrewPH> I literally got it like an hour ago
#337 [00:52] <Mathuin> ohhe
#338 [00:52] <AndrewPH> I don't use it for anything yet
#339 [00:52] <AndrewPH> :p
#340 [00:52] <AndrewPH> I might use it for one of my side projects
#341 [00:53] <AndrewPH> temporarily at the very least
#342 [00:53] <xales> AndrewPH: I want it
#343 [00:53] <AndrewPH> xales, free tier is freeeeee
#344 [00:53] <xales> to launch attacks at the US government's cyber infrastructure
#345 [00:53] <xales> :3
#346 [00:53] <Mathuin> I need to clean up my code before trying to build an Ubuntu Cloud thingee.
#347 [00:53] <xales> AndrewPH: free. wat
#348 [00:53] <AndrewPH> xales, free tierrrrr
#349 [00:54] <AndrewPH> http://aws.amazon.com/free/
#350 [00:54] <Mathuin> Fascinating.
#351 [00:54] <aetherian> why, everyone owns a tier four data centre I thought
#352 [00:54] <xales> lolwat
#353 [00:54] <xales> free Amazon
#354 [00:55] <aetherian> :o
#355 [00:56] <Mathuin> Oooh, only fifty cents an hour for the high memory extra large instance/!
#356 [00:56] <Mathuin> That's like six bucks worst case to rebuild my showcase.
#357 [00:58] <Mathuin> Hrm. I imagine sticking a bittorrent tracker on an EC2 instance would be Bad.
#358 [00:58] <xales> lol
#359 [01:00] <aetherian> haha
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#363 [01:02] <ravenshadow> hello
#364 [01:02] <xales> hi
#365 [01:02] <ravenshadow> i need a lil help
#366 [01:02] <xales> with?
#367 [01:02] <Chr|s> don't we all
#368 [01:03] <ravenshadow> i cant seam to regester my nick in the main room
#369 [01:03] <xales> ?> ravenshadow irc
#370 [01:03] <xales> err
#371 [01:03] <ravenshadow> mibit
#372 [01:03] <xales> ??> ravenshadow irc
#373 [01:03] <VoxelHead> ravenshadow: (irc) For IRC help, you should ask in the channel #help - you can get there using the command "/join #help"
#374 [01:03] <VoxelHead> ravenshadow: (irc) If you can't talk in #minecraft ("Cannot send to channel") you must register your IRC nickname, using the command "/msg NickServ REGISTER password email". Remember to use a valid email. Go to #help if you need further assistance with this
#375 [01:06] <Mathuin> I've been waiting *hours* to see if the final optimization will actually do anything. The suspense is killing me.
#376 [01:07] <ravenshadow> thanks that worked
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#380 [01:11] <Dec> back...
#381 [01:20] <aetherian> wb
#382 [01:20] <aetherian> everyone
#383 [01:20] <aetherian> did you remember the wagon?
#384 [01:34] <Bob_Sack> Joshua: did you remember the wagon?
#385 [01:34] <Mathuin> Okay, tiles done, now ore. Go go gadget swap. :-P
#386 [01:35] <Mathuin> (483 tiles, 4 cores, 120 seconds per tile, you do the math.)
#387 [01:36] <xales> I wonder
#388 [01:36] <xales> !words
#389 [01:36] <Joshua> I know 3267 words (17370 contexts, 5.32 per word), 3112 lines.
#390 [01:36] <xales> lol
#391 [01:37] <GreyVulpine> Mrah
#392 [01:37] <GreyVulpine> http://www.collectedcurios.com/sequentialart.php?s=681
#393 [01:37] <GreyVulpine> See xales, if both of us got an MC server, that would happen
#394 [01:37] <Mathuin> I have been loving sequential art lately.
#395 [01:37] <GreyVulpine> Definitely
#396 [01:38] <xales> lol
#397 [01:39] <aetherian> haha
#398 [01:39] <aetherian> SA is a good comic :)
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#400 [01:43] <Chr|s> Joshua has been busy
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#402 [01:44] <Mathuin> Busy like a crazy bot.
#403 [01:45] <Chr|s> Joshua: You crazy
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#406 [01:57] <totalanni> hey guys
#407 [01:57] <totalanni> if i setup a private server for my forum
#408 [01:58] <totalanni> does the users still have to pay for the client
#409 [01:58] <xales> yes
#410 [01:58] <totalanni> or is that only for the main minecraft server
#411 [01:59] <xales> there is no main server
#412 [01:59] <xales> if they want to play, they must buy it
#413 [01:59] <totalanni> oh
#414 [02:02] <Mathuin> I am now trying to imagine a main server for all the minecraft accounts.
#415 [02:02] <xales> lol
#416 [02:02] <Mathuin> It'd be like Snow Crash's world, but on crack.
#417 [02:02] <xales> PENIS LAND
#418 [02:03] <Dec> wtf I come back and see PENIS on my screen?
#419 [02:03] <Dec> btw I never fixed my error ... .. ....
#420 [02:08] <Mathuin> This map is so big, there are fourteen million blocks of dirt in it.
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#422 [02:12] <Mathuin> And staring at it won't make it finish faster.
#423 [02:13] <Mathuin> I'm just annoyed because it'll get done around three in the damned morning and I will lose four hours before I can click on the next command.
#424 [02:16] * VoxelHead is back
#424 [02:17] <bacon> ?
#425 [02:18] <VoxelHead> i wish they didn't have to go =(
#426 [02:18] <zippity> omg i love this game
#427 [02:18] <aetherian> welcome back, VoxelHead
#428 [02:19] <zippity> I just lost 4 hours
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#431 [02:29] <Sindri> So Uh...suddenly, MC is just telling me 'Bad Login'
#432 [02:31] <Mathuin> Naptime, folks. See you later.
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#434 [02:33] <aetherian> WHAT
#435 [02:34] <aetherian> they removed the beetles from grooveshark sometime in the past couple of months D:
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#438 [02:42] <aetherian> got night?
#439 [02:42] <aetherian> yeah, good night too.
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#451 [03:45] <VoxelHead> mmm jeroenz0r
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#466 [04:41] <Sindri> So maybe some one can help me
#467 [04:42] <Sindri> Internal Exception: java.net.SocketException: Connection Reset
#468 [04:42] <Sindri> whats that about?
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#470 [04:55] <Sindri> Any one?
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#473 [05:00] <Sindri> and suddenly, reading the MC forums, I have no hope for this bug going away
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#478 [05:12] <BlackEye> Hi
#479 [05:13] <BlackEye> is there any limit for signal transmission via redstone?
#480 [05:13] <GreyVulpine> 15 blocks
#481 [05:13] <BlackEye> no i mean with repeaters etc.
#482 [05:13] <BlackEye> i built a 4bit-bus over 2500 meters
#483 [05:13] <GreyVulpine> In a straight line?
#484 [05:14] <BlackEye> a few corners to go around :D a very few
#485 [05:14] <BlackEye> the most time the system works
#486 [05:14] <GreyVulpine> After a certain distance from the player, chunks aren't loaded into memory, and any redstone signal, won't propagate through those chunks
#487 [05:14] <BlackEye> but sometimes the wrong signal is transmitted
#488 [05:14] <BlackEye> well er.. i have to explain
#489 [05:14] <GreyVulpine> There's roughly 9x9 chunks around the player that are loaded, anything beyond that, isn't
#490 [05:14] <BlackEye> its a subway system
#491 [05:15] <BlackEye> the signal tunnel is under the subway tunnel
#492 [05:15] <BlackEye> so if you travel via minecart
#493 [05:15] <GreyVulpine> I'm guessing you're hitting the limit of the loaded chunk border.
#494 [05:15] <BlackEye> the signla should be transmitted under the player
#495 [05:15] <BlackEye> most time it worked.. sometimes not
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#497 [05:15] <BlackEye> and i can't imagine why
#498 [05:16] <Madriker> Hello everyone
#499 [05:16] <BlackEye> is there any difference for redstone, if you can see the wires or not?
#500 [05:16] <GreyVulpine> Nope
#501 [05:16] <BlackEye> or the speed you travel with?
#502 [05:16] <BlackEye> hey Madriker
#503 [05:16] <Madriker> Sorry, maybe I'm asking a stupid question... What was the channel for mod/texture pack help again?
#504 [05:16] <GreyVulpine> #risucraft
#505 [05:16] <Madriker> Thanks
#506 [05:17] <BlackEye> it occured, that for example the signal 0 0 1 0 at one point of the circuit was 0 1 1 0
#507 [05:17] <BlackEye> i went down the signal tunnel, because the wrong signal arrived at the end
#508 [05:18] <BlackEye> so i found a point in the circuit
#509 [05:18] <GreyVulpine> BlackEye, without seeing how you're setting this up, I don't really know what's wrong with it
#510 [05:18] <GreyVulpine> If it's 2500 meters away, most likely it's hitting the chunk limit
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#521 [06:24] <mcaddict> hi
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#528 [06:51] <chris> hi
#529 [06:51] <chris> anyone can help me please?
#530 [06:51] <chris> i saw a gameplay minecraft video and the guy got any blue thing, with this he could mine rly fast the stones and shit
#531 [06:52] <chris> anyone know what mod is this? (it wasnt a pickaxe)
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#533 [07:03] <Jerub> chris: a hack.
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#536 [07:17] <semmel> hiya, so, I have a problem with my minecraft account. It says I'm not a premium user even though I already paid, I still have the paypal receipt
#537 [07:18] <Zemedelphos> When did you buy it?
#538 [07:19] <semmel> september
#539 [07:19] <Zemedelphos> When did it start doing this?
#540 [07:19] <semmel> 2-3 months ago
#541 [07:19] <Zemedelphos> And you haven't tried emailing mojang?
#542 [07:20] <semmel> I sent Notch an email, but I haven't heard back from him
#543 [07:20] <semmel> On the MojangSupport site it says to contact Notch for billing issues
#544 [07:21] <Zemedelphos> If it's a billing issue, did you use payment@mojang.com
#545 [07:23] <semmel> I didn't know about this mail, I'll try it, thanks
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#549 [07:43] <bread> I just noticed I was kicked from this channel
#550 [07:43] <bread> for nick flood
#551 [07:43] <bread> eight hours ago
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#553 [07:44] <Zemedelphos> K
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#565 [08:13] <sgiratch> Autowalk until I run into a wall would be a nice feature
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#569 [08:34] <Zemedelphos> lol
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#578 [09:15] <eest> asked the same question in #minecraft yesterday but couldnt seem to elicit a response, guess ill try here aswell. Is it standard working procedure for the minecraft_server.jar to spawn multiple processes on *nix?
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#581 [09:21] <GreyVulpine> No it isn't eest
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#583 [09:35] <eest> GreyVulpine: thanks :)
#584 [09:40] <eest> basically im starting the server via "java -Xmx1024M -Xms1024M -jar minecraft_server.jar nogui" on the terminal, and there is currently 13 processes
#585 [09:41] <GreyVulpine> That's not right, I don't think..
#586 [09:41] <eest> this is java 1.6.0_24 on freebsd (the linux-sun-jdk16 port) since the wiki tended to very much want sun jdk
#587 [09:43] <eest> was thinking maby there was some sort of use-multiple-cpus stuff going on
#588 [09:43] <GreyVulpine> Last time I checked, multiple thread support for minecraft's server was minimal, if any.
#589 [09:45] <eest> i see, i might test using the native jdk to see what is happening there :) (not a fbsd guy by choice, so i could very well be messing something up)
#590 [09:45] <BarryCarlyon> I run freebsd.
#591 [09:45] <BarryCarlyon> Twas fine for me.
#592 [09:45] <BarryCarlyon> I was only getting the one process tho.
#593 [09:45] <eest> BarryCarlyon: used the linux port?
#594 [09:45] <eest> or the native?
#595 [09:45] <BarryCarlyon> One java process that is.
#596 [09:45] <BarryCarlyon> The port I think.
#597 [09:45] <BarryCarlyon> From port
#598 [09:45] <BarryCarlyon> s
#599 [09:46] <eest> BarryCarlyon: actually there are several to choose from
#600 [09:46] <BarryCarlyon> One sec I'll check what I installed
#601 [09:50] <BarryCarlyon> I'm running native from /usr/ports/java/jdk16 -> jdk-1.6.0.3p4_19 Java Development Kit 1.6.0
#602 [09:50] <BarryCarlyon> I pretty much did as described from http://www.freebsd.org/java/install.html
#603 [09:51] <eest> ah, then i probably picked the wrong one (seems i misunderstood the documentaion somewhat)
#604 [09:51] <BarryCarlyon> Heh
#605 [09:51] <eest> thanks for checking, ill try with the one you are using
#606 [09:51] <BarryCarlyon> cd /usr/ports/java/jdk16 && make install clean
#607 [09:51] <BarryCarlyon> as root.
#608 [09:51] <BarryCarlyon> Mine runs pretty fine.
#609 [09:51] <BarryCarlyon> Since its only got 500Mb ram.
#610 [09:52] <aCreeper_> sssss
#611 [09:52] <aCreeper> I like running Java for BarryCarlyon
#612 [09:52] <BarryCarlyon> There is aCreeper on my box.
#613 [09:52] <BarryCarlyon> Lol.
#614 [09:57] <eest> damn licenses, only making everything hard :)
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#616 [10:02] <eest> BarryCarlyon: is "fetch" the basic "download stuff" program used on fbsd? used to wget on linux and ftp on obsd :)
#617 [10:02] <BarryCarlyon> fetch is basic across linux I think.
#618 [10:02] <eest> ah i see
#619 [10:02] <BarryCarlyon> When doing ports I jsut let it do its thing and use wget for anything else.
#620 [10:03] <eest> well the port told me to fetch a bunch of stuff manually
#621 [10:03] <BarryCarlyon> I rarely get stuff from ftp, and when I do is anon ftp wget can do it
#622 [10:03] <BarryCarlyon> eest: indeed
#623 [10:03] <eest> well on obsd ftp is used for http aswell
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#625 [10:10] <Cross2four> Hello chaps
#626 [10:12] <GreyVulpine> 'lo
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#630 [10:38] <Andywarlol> Sorry to ask what I think it's probably a common question, but I'm constantly getting the game crash on me, and a message about my nvidia drivers stopping and recovering. Is there a fix somewhere please?
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#634 [10:44] <mrfloppy> anyone got theire ears on?
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#641 [11:16] <aetherian> he'o
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#643 [11:21] <Tanjoodo_iPod> Hi
#644 [11:24] <aetherian> ...hi
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#646 [11:29] <aw3s0m3sauc3> I need help
#647 [11:29] <GreyVulpine> With?
#648 [11:29] <aw3s0m3sauc3> Setting up a server
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#650 [11:29] <aetherian> ooh, what fun
#651 [11:29] <aw3s0m3sauc3> For classic multi
#652 [11:30] <GreyVulpine> What about it, specifically?
#653 [11:30] <aetherian> ohh, classic. uh oh.
#654 [11:30] <aw3s0m3sauc3> well i can connect but others cant
#655 [11:30] <GreyVulpine> Did you port forward then?
#656 [11:30] <aw3s0m3sauc3> i think its in the port forwarding part
#657 [11:30] <aetherian> portforwarding and what-not is required for classic?
#658 [11:30] <GreyVulpine> Yes aetherian
#659 [11:30] <GreyVulpine> Still uses port 25565, just like beta
#660 [11:30] <aw3s0m3sauc3> i used simple port foward but it says port not accepting
#661 [11:31] <GreyVulpine> Simple port forward?
#662 [11:31] <aw3s0m3sauc3> its a program
#663 [11:31] <GreyVulpine> Oh, ew. I never trust those things
#664 [11:31] <aw3s0m3sauc3> what should i do instead?
#665 [11:31] <GreyVulpine> Haven't had a single person pass in here, who's successfully used that thing
#666 [11:32] <GreyVulpine> Actually access your router, set it up manually. Only way to be sure
#667 [11:32] <aw3s0m3sauc3> I've done that too
#668 [11:32] <aw3s0m3sauc3> does my private IP matter?
#669 [11:32] <GreyVulpine> Care to give us a screenshot of the page?
#670 [11:32] <GreyVulpine> yes, every field matters
#671 [11:32] <aw3s0m3sauc3> ok where do i find my private IP?
#672 [11:32] <aw3s0m3sauc3> ive done IP config
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#674 [11:33] <GreyVulpine> Then it should show up on ipconfig
#675 [11:33] <GreyVulpine> Usually is an ip address that starts with 192.168.x.y
#676 [11:33] <aw3s0m3sauc3> is it my defualt ip?
#677 [11:33] <GreyVulpine> Depends on your operating system
#678 [11:33] <GreyVulpine> Is it vista or 7? It'll be your ipv4 address
#679 [11:33] <aw3s0m3sauc3> or gateway? and im using windows
#680 [11:33] <aw3s0m3sauc3> &
#681 [11:33] <aw3s0m3sauc3> 7
#682 [11:33] <GreyVulpine> It's not the default gateway, that's your router's ip address
#683 [11:34] <aw3s0m3sauc3> ok
#684 [11:34] <GreyVulpine> Then it'll be next to the line "ipv4 address"
#685 [11:34] <aw3s0m3sauc3> so i use the ipv4?
#686 [11:34] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#687 [11:34] <aw3s0m3sauc3> lemme check it
#688 [11:34] <aw3s0m3sauc3> i dont have one..
#689 [11:35] <GreyVulpine> You.. don't have one?
#690 [11:35] <aw3s0m3sauc3> in theory is that what i use?
#691 [11:35] <GreyVulpine> Not in theory, your computer needs to have an address to be able to connect online
#692 [11:35] <GreyVulpine> Try: ipconfig /all
#693 [11:35] <aw3s0m3sauc3> well i have to computers and im not on my windows 7
#694 [11:36] <GreyVulpine> Which one is running the server?
#695 [11:36] <aw3s0m3sauc3> windows 7
#696 [11:36] <mrfloppy> firewall ?
#697 [11:36] <GreyVulpine> Then, go to the command prompt via your win7 machine, and type "ipconfig /all"
#698 [11:36] <GreyVulpine> Sec mrfloppy, we need to make sure the router is configured properly before we move on
#699 [11:37] <GreyVulpine> And aw3s0m3sauc3 can access the server locally, so there's a fair chance it's already configured
#700 [11:37] <mrfloppy> yeah just collaborating, finishing up my work here fixing computers... :P
#701 [11:37] <aw3s0m3sauc3> the computer isnt with me at the moment, im writing this down
#702 [11:38] <aw3s0m3sauc3> it has one i can recall it ended differnt
#703 [11:38] <aw3s0m3sauc3> it was like 192.168.2.4
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#705 [11:38] <mrfloppy> the firewall in windows does allow traffic thrugh all ports on Localhost adress i dont know how he connected locally though
#706 [11:38] <GreyVulpine> Oh boy.
#707 [11:38] <aw3s0m3sauc3> I disabled all firwalls temporarily
#708 [11:38] <mrfloppy> ^^ ill shutup then ^^
#709 [11:38] <GreyVulpine> 20 bucks, the network topology consists of double NATs
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#711 [11:39] <aw3s0m3sauc3> wtf?
#712 [11:39] <GreyVulpine> Ignore that, we'll confirm or deny that later
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#714 [11:39] <aw3s0m3sauc3> ok
#715 [11:39] <aw3s0m3sauc3> lets say i put in the ipv4 address into my belkin router virtual server ports
#716 [11:40] <aw3s0m3sauc3> along with 25565
#717 [11:40] <aw3s0m3sauc3> both TCP UCP
#718 [11:40] <aw3s0m3sauc3> should it work then?
#719 [11:40] <aw3s0m3sauc3> with the firewalls being disabled?
#720 [11:40] <GreyVulpine> Maybe.
#721 [11:40] <mrfloppy> is there a inside port number aswell?
#722 [11:40] <aw3s0m3sauc3> theres and inboud port and private port
#723 [11:40] <mrfloppy> if not i think so yes :P
#724 [11:41] <aw3s0m3sauc3> both 25565
#725 [11:41] <mrfloppy> keep both the same then
#726 [11:41] <mattrition> Hey guys, I just checked the world folder used on my server and it looks like its still in the old ave format. Do I have to load it in to a single player game before it is converted to the new save format?
#727 [11:41] <mattrition> *save
#728 [11:41] <GreyVulpine> mattrition, it'll convert automatically, either in SP or MP
#729 [11:41] <mrfloppy> no, but using bukkit could mangle your maps!!
#730 [11:41] <mattrition> :s
#731 [11:41] <aw3s0m3sauc3> hehe bukkit
#732 [11:42] <mattrition> how come this world hasn't been converted?
#733 [11:42] <aw3s0m3sauc3> oh btw im using mclawl
#734 [11:42] <GreyVulpine> aw3s0m3sauc3, once you port forward in your router, go to its setup/status page
#735 [11:42] <GreyVulpine> make sure the public/wan/internet ip address there, matches up with whatismyip.org
#736 [11:42] <GreyVulpine> Also, with MClawl, make sure you installed MySQL
#737 [11:43] <GreyVulpine> Doesn't work without it
#738 [11:43] <aw3s0m3sauc3> ive got MySQL
#739 [11:43] <aw3s0m3sauc3> is there anything i need to do with that?
#740 [11:43] <GreyVulpine> I believe.. there was a port forward for that
#741 [11:43] <GreyVulpine> I don't have the readme handy
#742 [11:44] <aw3s0m3sauc3> :/
#743 [11:44] <aw3s0m3sauc3> crap
#744 [11:44] <GreyVulpine> It should tell you in the McLawl docs
#745 [11:45] <mrfloppy> i Get weird disconnects from IP's that never even connected... how about that ^^
#746 [11:45] <GreyVulpine> Got a stalker?
#747 [11:46] <mrfloppy> in 24 hours of server idling i had about 50 Ips disconnecting... while no one was logged on
#748 [11:46] <mrfloppy> no, but it could be hacking attempts...
#749 [11:46] <GreyVulpine> Heh, neat
#750 [11:46] <GreyVulpine> !check 84.246.8.169
#751 [11:46] <GreyVulpine> Aw, no server hosted there
#752 [11:46] <mrfloppy> damn i wanted to do that but i want to keep my adress private :P
#753 [11:47] <GreyVulpine> No ip privacy on this IRCd
#754 [11:47] <mrfloppy> im not on my servers IP atm :P
#755 [11:47] <GreyVulpine> I know
#756 [11:47] <mrfloppy> feck it i have a white list :P
#757 [11:47] <mrfloppy> !check mrfloppy.nl
#758 [11:47] <mrfloppy> hehe
#759 [11:48] <mrfloppy> cool
#760 [11:48] <mrfloppy> one sec seeing if this command generates a dissconnection (could be)
#761 [11:48] <mrfloppy> !check mrfloppy.nl
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#763 [11:49] <mrfloppy> yeah
#764 [11:49] <mrfloppy> it does give a DC in my console
#765 [11:50] <mrfloppy> so it is someone trying to heartbeat my server???
#766 [11:51] <GreyVulpine> possibly
#767 [11:52] <mrfloppy> damn, the ports are random internal, so cant firewall it :s
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#769 [11:52] <mrfloppy> ah well, i gtg thanks for the help ^^
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#772 [11:57] <MDanz> hi
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#774 [11:57] <MDanz> Anyone konw how to amke server less laggy for other people?
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#776 [11:58] <MDanz> Anyone konw how to amke server less laggy for other people?
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#778 [11:58] <aw3s0me3sauc3> back
#779 [11:59] <MDanz> Anyone konw how to amke server less laggy for other people?
#780 [11:59] <aw3s0me3sauc3> sheesh took forever to find this channel
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#782 [11:59] <Chr|s> just /j #minecrafthelp
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#784 [12:02] <kermi> help
#785 [12:03] <kermi> can any one tell me why i can´t log in minecraft
#786 [12:04] <BarryCarlyon> Whats the error?
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#788 [12:04] <kermi> minecraft tell me that i don´t buy the game but i bought the game a long time befor and i play the game a long time too
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#790 [12:04] <kermi> my english is shit sorry
#791 [12:04] <aw3s0m3sauc3> hello?
#792 [12:04] <kermi> do you understand
#793 [12:04] <BarryCarlyon> kermi: whats your username?
#794 [12:04] <kermi> rockyzocky
#795 [12:05] <BarryCarlyon> !check rockyzocky
#796 [12:05] <BarryCarlyon> dammi can't remener the right command lol
#797 [12:05] <BarryCarlyon> !haspaid rockyzocky
#798 [12:05] <BarryCarlyon> !paid rockyzocky
#799 [12:05] <BarryCarlyon> Well there we go.
#800 [12:05] <BarryCarlyon> Looks like you'll ahve to drop mojang and email to find out what the problem is.
#801 [12:06] <kermi> 2 of my friends have the same problem after yesterday
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#805 [12:09] <mrfloppy88> im back ^^
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#809 [12:24] <Chr|s> !paid chris32882
#810 [12:24] <Chr|s> woot
#811 [12:24] <Jayro> hey, i worked on a world for 6 hours last night. and now when i goto single player its not there. its still in my /.minecraft/save folder tho. :S
#812 [12:24] <Chr|s> Jayro: have to select the world you were working on
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#815 [12:25] <Jayro> thats what i mean, its not in the list when i go to single player.
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#817 [12:26] <Chr|s> Jayro: no idea why it wouldn't be
#818 [12:26] <Jayro> im running crunchbang linux with sun java.
#819 [12:27] <Jayro> someone in here must be fermilier with this problem.
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#821 [12:29] <xolotl> Jayro: Upload your level.dat somewhere
#822 [12:29] <Jayro> like where?
#823 [12:30] <xolotl> Jayro: Anywhere. sendspace.com? dropbox? Just somewhere so that I could take a peek
#824 [12:31] <Jayro> An error occurred while processing the uploaded file. (10010)
#825 [12:31] <Jayro> and my computer says its 0 bytes :S
#826 [12:31] <BarryCarlyon> Ouhc
#827 [12:31] <BarryCarlyon> Here is a suggestion
#828 [12:31] <BarryCarlyon> Create new world.
#829 [12:32] <BarryCarlyon> Save and exit
#830 [12:32] <xolotl> Jayro: Ah, if the level.dat is zero bytes then it's a little prolematic
#831 [12:32] <xolotl> Jayro: You can copy the level.dat from any other world if you want
#832 [12:32] <BarryCarlyon> Mov region folder from old folder to new folder. (or just swap the level.dats)
#833 [12:32] <xolotl> Jayro: You'd lose your inventory, current player position, and the random seed would be different
#834 [12:32] <Jayro> ok.
#835 [12:32] <xolotl> Jayro: So any newly-generated terrain wouldn't mix seamlessly with the existing stuff
#836 [12:32] <xolotl> Jayro: (you'll get big flat cliffs, etc)
#837 [12:32] <BarryCarlyon> Seems odd for it to have failed to save the file.
#838 [12:32] <Jayro> i have to go now. ill be back later
#839 [12:35] <VoxelHead> good morning!
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#841 [12:36] <VoxelHead> bye Szernex
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#845 [12:40] <JoJodean> Het
#846 [12:40] <JoJodean> Hey guys
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#866 [13:19] <aetherian> sooo
#867 [13:19] <aetherian> things pretty slow today, huh, aubot
#868 [13:20] <aetherian> 'sup, VoxelHead
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#870 [13:23] <Millers> Hello
#871 [13:23] <Millers> can i get some help here
#872 [13:24] <aetherian> yes, yes indeed you can
#873 [13:24] <aetherian> it's our specialty
#874 [13:24] <aetherian> what, precisely, do you need help with?
#875 [13:25] <aetherian> um
#876 [13:26] <aetherian> mr. millers?
#877 [13:27] <aetherian> ...must be a doozy of a question
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#879 [13:29] <Millers> yes
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#881 [13:30] <Millers> you know any thing about mc admin
#882 [13:31] <aetherian> not only do I not, but this channel does not provide support for mods.
#883 [13:31] <Millers> not a mod, its aprogram to make a serve
#884 [13:31] <Millers> server*
#885 [13:31] <aetherian> ...
#886 [13:32] <Millers> your server keeps crashing -..-
#887 [13:32] <aetherian> it is counted as a server mod, as it is essentially a modification of the official server
#888 [13:32] <Millers> ok...
#889 [13:32] <aetherian> and if by my server you mean minecraft.net, then yes, it does.
#890 [13:33] <Millers> i downloaded a server mod from minecraft's site, and i can run it properly
#891 [13:33] <aetherian> there is no server mod on minecraft.net
#892 [13:33] <aetherian> if it is the original, then there is no modification
#893 [13:33] <Millers> i ment the serve
#894 [13:33] <Millers> server*
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#896 [13:34] <aetherian> if you can run it properly, then what do you need help with
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#898 [13:36] <aetherian> ellipsis
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#900 [13:38] <aetherian> yet another ellipsis, for emphasis
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#905 [13:46] <aetherian> well, Millers doesn't need help, I guess
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#914 [14:03] <Creeper> sSsSsSsSsS!
#915 [14:04] <Millers> back
#916 [14:04] <eest> GreyVulpine: it seemed the native jdk did a better job, thanks
#917 [14:06] <eest> only get one process now
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#925 [14:18] <viigeta> Hi
#926 [14:19] <viigeta> #MineCraftHelp
#927 [14:20] <Kealper> FUUUUUU
#928 [14:20] <viigeta> I just bought, signed in, downloaded the client and want to play but after i click "yes" to update i get: Fatal error (4): failed to download windows_natives.jar.lzma
#929 [14:20] <Kealper> snowed out last night :<
#930 [14:21] <viigeta> I've tried it on two computers same thing!
#931 [14:21] <viigeta> I've tried in in the browser and in the app
#932 [14:21] <viigeta> I've tried it in Windows and Linux
#933 [14:21] <viigeta> Same error
#934 [14:21] <Kealper> viigeta: are you on any weird network setups? (at an office at work or something?)
#935 [14:21] <viigeta> Its NOT me
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#937 [14:21] <Kealper> hmm...lemme see if it lets me, the CDN could be having issues
#938 [14:21] <viigeta> No i'm at home line plugged straight into normal DSL
#939 [14:22] <viigeta> i clicked yes to update
#940 [14:22] <viigeta> I'm so excited to play :(
#941 [14:22] <Kealper> hmm...seems to work for me...
#942 [14:23] <Kealper> are you on windows or linux right now?
#943 [14:24] <Kealper> actually....wait, it wouldn't be that if you tried it on both OSes.....HMMMM.....
#944 [14:24] <viigeta> jip :(
#945 [14:24] <Kealper> it's got to be something with either your network or your ISP's setup
#946 [14:24] <viigeta> its my first time running the game so i'm guessing i need to download this windows_natives.jar.lzma
#947 [14:24] <viigeta> which i can't it seems
#948 [14:24] <DopeGhoti> Two things: First, it's "gyp", and secondly, Gypsies have nothing to do with it.
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#950 [14:25] <Kealper> well, that should be downloaded when it updates
#951 [14:25] <viigeta> how big is your minecraft directory assuming you use windows
#952 [14:26] <Kealper> it's the same on any OS, and it'll usually be like ~40mb i think, i'd have to check
#953 [14:26] <viigeta> Oh by the way the "classic" version on the web works
#954 [14:26] <DopeGhoti> I'm having trouble coming up with any theories that would cause this problem in several OSs, and all I can come up with are network issues/
#955 [14:26] <viigeta> Mine is 2.7mb :(
#956 [14:26] <Kealper> DopeGhoti: same, sounds like his ISP might be using a caching proxy that is really hating distributed CDNs or something :/
#957 [14:26] <viigeta> network
#958 [14:27] <DopeGhoti> wait.. Linux should _not_ be downloading windows_natives.jar.lzma
#959 [14:27] <DopeGhoti> are you _sure_ you get an error with that file in Linux?
#960 [14:27] <viigeta> Okay i will use mobile internet just to update now and lets see what happens
#961 [14:27] <Kealper> i would assume it just downloads everything
#962 [14:27] <DopeGhoti> Kealper: no, it only downloads the natives for the relevant OS
#963 [14:28] <Kealper> oh, i guess i don't give that launcher enough credit lol
#964 [14:29] <viigeta> jip same error but different native
#965 [14:30] <Kealper> also...dope i think "jip" might be "yep"
#966 [14:30] <Kealper> anywho... viigeta you said you had access to mobile internet?
#967 [14:32] <viigeta> yes im connected as we speak now
#968 [14:32] <viigeta> connected
#969 [14:32] <viigeta> updating lets see
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#971 [14:37] <viigeta> Thank you so much Kealper
#972 [14:37] <Kealper> viigeta: yeah, sounds like your ISP's sysadmin needs to be slapped then :/
#973 [14:37] <viigeta> Must have been my ISP seeing as a different ISP on mobile worked the charm!
#974 [14:37] <viigeta> Yeah what do i tell them exactly so they can fix it?
#975 [14:37] <DopeGhoti> viigeta: who is your ISP so that I can never ever use them?
#976 [14:37] <VoxelHead> have you tried google?
#977 [14:38] <viigeta> I have but you guys were much better :)
#978 [14:38] <DopeGhoti> (:
#979 [14:38] <viigeta> Dope i'm from South Africa trust me i'm guessing you wont ever need a ISP all the way in Africa!
#980 [14:40] <DopeGhoti> viigeta: you never know; I used to travel a lot (:
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#982 [14:41] <viigeta> Afrihost :( Usually they're amazing donno whats up now
#983 [14:41] <DopeGhoti> viigeta: well, glad you're up and running now - that's the important bit.
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#985 [14:44] <buddyochoa> Anyone have any idea what could cause missing lines in the textures?
#986 [14:44] <Kealper> missing lines?
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#988 [14:44] <DopeGhoti> buddyochoa: a texture pack with offset images?
#989 [14:45] <buddyochoa> ill get my screenshot uploaded here in a second
#990 [14:45] <buddyochoa> Its the default pack
#991 [14:46] <buddyochoa> http://i54.tinypic.com/2me7m6u.jpg
#992 [14:46] <DopeGhoti> buddyochoa: in your video driver settings, turn off overrides and set all setting to "application-selected" or whatever that setting is called this week.
#993 [14:46] <Kealper> it's not a video card error
#994 [14:47] <buddyochoa> I decided to try and download a texture pack, but the lines still appear
#995 [14:47] <Kealper> buddyochoa: close out of the game and run the launcher again, click on Options and then click force download, log in, and it should reinstall the game
#996 [14:47] <DopeGhoti> Kealper: typed that before I saw the pic :p
#997 [14:47] <Kealper> DopeGhoti: oh lol
#998 [14:48] <Kealper> i've seen like two other people with this error, the game is parsing it's textures wrong :/
#999 [14:48] <buddyochoa> Odd thing is, on my laptop the problem doesn't appear
#1000 [14:48] <DopeGhoti> your laptop doesn't need the binaries reinstalled then.
#1001 [14:49] <Kealper> the last two people to have the issue had it fixed after reinstalling minecraft, hopefully that is all that is wrong
#1002 [14:49] <buddyochoa> Force update didn't help. I have tried it a few times before as well. I have even tried deleting the .minecraft folder and letting it redownload
#1003 [14:50] <DopeGhoti> on a lark, you might want to go ahead and try the aforementioned video card detweak
#1004 [14:50] <oldtopman> ??> buddyocha win/reinst
#1005 [14:50] <VoxelHead> buddyocha: (win/reinst) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#1006 [14:50] <VoxelHead> buddyocha: (win/reinst) To do so, press Win+R, type in %AppData%, and press Enter. In the window that appears, open the .minecraft directory, and delete the bin directory that you see therein. Then, try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
#1007 [14:51] <Kealper> oldtopman: he just said he tried a few times
#1008 [14:51] <oldtopman> nvm then...
#1009 [14:51] <Kealper> also, buddyochoa: have you tried reinstalling java?
#1010 [14:51] <buddyochoa> yes, both the x64 and x86 versions
#1011 [14:51] <buddyochoa> though i don't know which minecraft uses
#1012 [14:51] <Kealper> how long have you had this issue?
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#1014 [14:52] <buddyochoa> Just since reinstalling windows on this computer, I just installed minecraft a few days ago
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#1016 [14:53] <buddyochoa> I did have linux on it, but the other people in the house didn't know how to use it. Minecraft worked fine on that
#1017 [14:53] <fuogo> wow, alot of people here
#1018 [14:53] <Kealper> #minecraft usually has 3x more lol
#1019 [14:54] <fuogo> i hate to ask, but can someone help me get minecraft working on my comp?
#1020 [14:54] <oldtopman> ??> fuogo ask
#1021 [14:54] <VoxelHead> fuogo: (ask) Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help, and be as specific as possible.
#1022 [14:55] <VoxelHead> fuogo: (ask) If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#1023 [14:55] <fuogo> okey dokey
#1024 [14:55] <buddyochoa> Is that a script of some kind?
#1025 [14:55] <DopeGhoti> buddyochoa: VoxelHead is our resident stock answer supplier.
#1026 [14:55] <buddyochoa> oh I see
#1027 [14:56] <oldtopman> buddyocoa: The whole ??> <nick> <answer> thing? yes.
#1028 [14:56] <fuogo> well i just bought the game, i downloaded it, it does not run, i also tried to use it on the browser, no dice
#1029 [14:56] <DopeGhoti> ?? specific
#1030 [14:56] <VoxelHead> specific: Please be specific and give complete error or other messages verbatim. The details of these messages are very helpful in determining the nature of your problem.
#1031 [14:56] <VoxelHead> specific: NOTE: If the message is longer than one or two lines, please use Pastebin.
#1032 [14:56] <fuogo> oh, one moment
#1033 [14:56] <Kealper> yay, stock answers!
#1034 [14:56] <fuogo> sorry
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#1036 [14:59] <fuogo> java virtual machine launcher, fatal exception occurred. Program will exit
#1037 [14:59] <DopeGhoti> fuogo: sounds like a problem with Java itslef. Try uninstalling and reinstalling Java.
#1038 [14:59] <Kealper> is there a bunch of tenchical jargon attached to it?
#1039 [15:00] <fuogo> no there isn't
#1040 [15:00] <Kealper> if yes: throw it on http://pastebin.com and put the url here
#1041 [15:00] <Kealper> dang
#1042 [15:00] <Kealper> then do what dope said
#1043 [15:00] <fuogo> now i just have to find java
#1044 [15:00] <fuogo> brb
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#1046 [15:01] <DopeGhoti> http://www.java.com/en/download/
#1047 [15:01] <Kealper> also....i'm thinking of making a special simplified pastebin-esque thing that could interface with aubot and post the url to it in here when someone pastes something...what say ye?
#1048 [15:01] <VoxelHead> can i phone a friend?
#1049 [15:01] <Kealper> vox, no
#1050 [15:01] <buddyochoa> Alright, I think i'm going to exit the webchat and use my client
#1051 [15:01] * Kealper waves
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#1052 [15:02] <SkiingPenguins> Kealper: AHK people did that over on freenode, a webpage with a small checkbox that says "Post to IRC"
#1053 [15:02] <DopeGhoti> ??+ getjava|http://www.java.com/en/download/
#1054 [15:02] <Kealper> small checkbox would imply that i wanted it optional...lol
#1055 [15:02] <sonicbullet534> do you need premium to use the wom game client
#1056 [15:02] <SkiingPenguins> just saying thats what they did :(
#1057 [15:03] <Kealper> sonicbullet534: WoM client is a mod, it *should* be free
#1058 [15:03] <DopeGhoti> Kealper: you do want it optional, otherwise some asshat with a shell and curl could klobber the channel.
#1059 [15:03] <sonicbullet534> cool
#1060 [15:03] <sonicbullet534> i use the client from crsplace.blogspot.com
#1061 [15:03] <Kealper> DopeGhoti: i could add protections against that
#1062 [15:04] <sonicbullet534> its free but no hax
#1063 [15:04] <SkiingPenguins> you dont need hax, you need skillz
#1064 [15:04] <Kealper> or i guess it could be a checkbox that is defaulted to checked
#1065 [15:04] <Kealper> wait, dang
#1066 [15:04] <Kealper> captcha!
#1067 [15:04] <sonicbullet534> hold on i be right bak
#1068 [15:05] <sonicbullet534> im bak
#1069 [15:05] <VoxelHead> YOU'RE bak? feel these nipples!
#1070 [15:05] <SkiingPenguins> why dont you use proper english?
#1071 [15:05] <SkiingPenguins> baCk
#1072 [15:05] * DopeGhoti sends sonicbullet534 a new shipment of 'c's of which ey is apparently out.
#1072 [15:05] <sonicbullet534> the power is out and my school is on the generator
#1073 [15:06] <sonicbullet534> wat r cs
#1074 [15:06] <DopeGhoti> *facepalm*
#1075 [15:06] <SkiingPenguins> ah you're trying to save energy with using less buttons?
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#1077 [15:06] <sonicbullet534> dont make me use my diomond sword
#1078 [15:06] <sonicbullet534> no im not saving anything
#1079 [15:07] <sonicbullet534> exept my game XD
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#1081 [15:07] <sonicbullet534> lol
#1082 [15:07] <iReversed> Help
#1083 [15:07] <iReversed> Can somebody please help me
#1084 [15:07] <DopeGhoti> ??> iReversed ask
#1085 [15:07] <VoxelHead> iReversed: (ask) Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help, and be as specific as possible.
#1086 [15:07] <VoxelHead> iReversed: (ask) If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#1087 [15:07] * sonicbullet534 shit on this chat room :P
#1087 [15:08] <sonicbullet534> lollollollollol
#1088 [15:08] <iReversed> I need help
#1089 [15:08] <iReversed> I got a question for my MInecraft username
#1090 [15:08] <Kealper> no, you can't change it
#1091 [15:08] <sonicbullet534> lol
#1092 [15:08] <iReversed> I bought the game on this name, however I am using a...
#1093 [15:08] <sonicbullet534> piece of shit?
#1094 [15:08] <sonicbullet534> lol
#1095 [15:08] <sonicbullet534> lol
#1096 [15:08] <sonicbullet534> rofl
#1097 [15:08] <iReversed> I wanted to say that I'm using a new game name, is it possible to change paid version to my new account?
#1098 [15:09] <Kealper> iReversed: no, can't do that either :/
#1099 [15:09] <iReversed> :(
#1100 [15:09] * VoxelHead gets out a board game for ireversed
#1100 [15:09] <sonicbullet534> lol that always makes meh laugh wen sumone times out
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#1102 [15:09] <iReversed> So what can I do now D:
#1103 [15:09] <iReversed> I want to use my new name in Minecraft.
#1104 [15:09] <sonicbullet534> bye
#1105 [15:10] <Kealper> right now, the only option is to buy another copy :/
#1106 [15:10] <iReversed> Ah crap
#1107 [15:10] <iReversed> I am not allowed to buy the game again
#1108 [15:10] <iReversed> My parents will get really angry if I buy it again
#1109 [15:10] <Kealper> looks like you're stuck with your current name then :/
#1110 [15:10] <DopeGhoti> iReversed: you should have chosen a better name.
#1111 [15:11] <DopeGhoti> iReversed: Mojang may offer account name changes in the future, but they're not specifically said that they will.
#1112 [15:11] <iReversed> Ah blast.
#1113 [15:11] <DopeGhoti> iReversed: also.. if you REALLY want to get a new account, just mow some lawns or shovel some drivewats and by it yourself.
#1114 [15:12] <DopeGhoti> s/by/buy/
#1115 [15:12] <iReversed> I can pay it already
#1116 [15:12] <DopeGhoti> so what's the problem?
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#1118 [15:12] <iReversed> I'm not allowed to buy it
#1119 [15:12] <iReversed> My parents will hit me if I do
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#1121 [15:13] <itzbuddy> I cant seem to change nick for some reason
#1122 [15:13] <itzbuddy> and I can't ident without changing my nick
#1123 [15:13] <DopeGhoti> iReversed: that's what CPS is for.
#1124 [15:13] <iReversed> What is CPS?
#1125 [15:13] <VoxelHead> for i guess
#1126 [15:13] <Kealper> itzbuddy: type /join 0 and then change your nick, then join all the channels again
#1127 [15:13] <DopeGhoti> itzbuddy: yes you can. /msg nickserv identity password nick
#1128 [15:13] <DopeGhoti> iReversed: Child Protection Services.
#1129 [15:13] <buddyochoa> there we go
#1130 [15:14] <iReversed> Well they won't actually punch me
#1131 [15:14] <DopeGhoti> iReversed: If your parents beat you for spending yourn own money, you have a case.
#1132 [15:14] <iReversed> I just mean I'm not allowed to
#1133 [15:14] <DopeGhoti> iReversed: how would they know?
#1134 [15:14] <VoxelHead> If only I hadn't used up all my lifelines
#1135 [15:14] <iReversed> Im using my mothers credit card since I dont have paypal
#1136 [15:14] <iReversed> And they can see it when I spend money on the internet as far as I know
#1137 [15:14] <DopeGhoti> Well, take some cash to a bank, and open your own account
#1138 [15:14] <DopeGhoti> problem solved.
#1139 [15:14] <SkiingPenguins> thats what i did
#1140 [15:15] <SkiingPenguins> but it's linked to my parent's account -_-
#1141 [15:15] <SkiingPenguins> due to my age
#1142 [15:15] <iReversed> Same
#1143 [15:15] <iReversed> They can see it when I pay for it
#1144 [15:15] <iReversed> I'm 14 buddy
#1145 [15:15] <iReversed> Not 20
#1146 [15:15] <SkiingPenguins> and they let you on internet?
#1147 [15:15] <iReversed> Sure, why not?
#1148 [15:15] <SkiingPenguins> well... there's crazy peoples
#1149 [15:15] <iReversed> Like I said, I'm 14
#1150 [15:15] <iReversed> Not 9
#1151 [15:16] <iReversed> I don't have problems with my parents, they love me as far as I know
#1152 [15:16] <DopeGhoti> Well, next year, go to _another_ bank, without your parents involved, and open _your own_ account.
#1153 [15:16] <iReversed> You really think they won't notice that?..
#1154 [15:16] <DopeGhoti> or, hell, next week
#1155 [15:16] <DopeGhoti> why would they
#1156 [15:16] <xolotl> DopeGhoti: Depends on the laws, of course; may not be able to open an account without parent or legal guardian involved
#1157 [15:16] <iReversed> Erhm
#1158 [15:16] <buddyochoa> I think you need parents on the account until your 18
#1159 [15:17] <iReversed> Yes
#1160 [15:17] <DopeGhoti> xolotl: no laws on that, just individual bank policies
#1161 [15:17] <buddyochoa> At least here you do, not sure where your from
#1162 [15:17] <iReversed> And I think they need to give permission
#1163 [15:17] <xolotl> DopeGhoti: "Hey mom, could you help me open up a secret bank account" wouldn't go over too well possibly. :)
#1164 [15:17] <iReversed> You think a 14 year old buy can just open a bank account if he wants?
#1165 [15:17] <iReversed> Yeah
#1166 [15:17] <buddyochoa> Not without parents on the account too
#1167 [15:17] <DopeGhoti> xolotl: no, but "Here's some cash, I'd like to open an account" would. I had my own completely autonomous account since I was twelve.
#1168 [15:17] <buddyochoa> Unless your not in US, in that case i dont know
#1169 [15:17] <iReversed> I'm in the Netherlands
#1170 [15:17] <DopeGhoti> In the US.
#1171 [15:18] <xolotl> DopeGhoti: Yeah yeah, regional laws/rules/whatever may vary.
#1172 [15:18] * DopeGhoti is not familiar with Netherlands banking laws.
#1172 [15:18] <SkiingPenguins> so tell me, is it Nederlands too?
#1173 [15:18] <DopeGhoti> SkiingPenguins: depends upon what language you're typing in.
#1174 [15:18] <SkiingPenguins> oh.
#1175 [15:19] <iReversed> I'm talking in english
#1176 [15:19] <iReversed> Oh
#1177 [15:19] <iReversed> Nederlands is Netherlands
#1178 [15:19] <iReversed> However the country itself is called Nederland
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#1180 [15:20] <DopeGhoti> ..what's so bad about your current account name, anyhow?
#1181 [15:20] <iReversed> So, changing accounts is not possible? :s
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#1183 [15:21] <iReversed> Everybody call me an apple fanboy, getting sick of it
#1184 [15:21] <iReversed> And everybody likes my new name much more
#1185 [15:21] <kuddlywuddly> Sooo, im slightly retarded (not really but in this matter one can almost see me as one) and i'd like to host a minecraft server, how do i do it? and how do i make it so that friends etc can join me?
#1186 [15:21] <Kealper> i didn't even think Apple until you said it :/
#1187 [15:21] <kuddlywuddly> On that note, iPad2 coming out in 2days ;o
#1188 [15:21] <Kealper> but yet again, i don't hate on Apple fanboys, so....meh
#1189 [15:21] <xolotl> iReversed: Right, right now there's no way to change your name
#1190 [15:21] <iReversed> kuddy, go to Minecraft.net
#1191 [15:22] <iReversed> And download the minecraft_server
#1192 [15:22] <Kealper> ehh
#1193 [15:22] <iReversed> Ah crap
#1194 [15:22] <Kealper> !server
#1195 [15:22] <iReversed> I really want my new one
#1196 [15:22] <Kealper> download the corresponding one of those that you want
#1197 [15:22] <kuddlywuddly> Done, now what?
#1198 [15:22] <buddyochoa> I still haven't found a solution to the graphics problem, not sure what else it could be :/
#1199 [15:22] <Kealper> place it somewhere safe
#1200 [15:22] <kuddlywuddly> or well i would be done but 10kbs >_<
#1201 [15:22] <Kealper> (in a folder in your documents, or anywhere...just make sure it's in its own folder)
#1202 [15:23] <kuddlywuddly> mkay
#1203 [15:23] <Kealper> then run it
#1204 [15:23] <Kealper> it'll yell about missing files when it first starts, but it makes them and sets them to defaults when it first runs
#1205 [15:24] <iReversed> When do you guys think Mojang makes it possible to change names?
#1206 [15:24] <Kealper> and for your frieds to play, you just forward port 25565 (TCP) to your computer that you are using to host it, and they should be able to join
#1207 [15:24] <DopeGhoti> iReversed: they haven't ever said they will.
#1208 [15:24] <iReversed> Damnit
#1209 [15:24] <Kealper> iReversed: it's been hinted at a few times, but don't expect it to be any time soon (if at all)
#1210 [15:24] <iReversed> :'(
#1211 [15:25] <DopeGhoti> iReversed: if it's that important to you, and your parents are reasonable, just tell them that you want to spend another 15 Euro on the game. It's still less expensive than maintaining a WoW account.
#1212 [15:25] <xolotl> Personally I'd bet it will *eventually* happen; I'd agree with the "not any time soon" though
#1213 [15:25] <kuddlywuddly> Lets see if i can rember my routerlogin >_<
#1214 [15:25] <kuddlywuddly> so i did :)
#1215 [15:25] <xolotl> iReversed: And then you could write yourself a bot to do mundane mining chores for you! (if you got a second account)
#1216 [15:26] <Kealper> kuddlywuddly: do you know how to port forward with your specific router? if not, there is a website that can probably tell you
#1217 [15:26] <xolotl> You could even run it off a Mac, and then when people give you grief about it they'll be right. :)
#1218 [15:26] <iReversed> I already made my new account
#1219 [15:26] <DopeGhoti> iReversed: Grand.
#1220 [15:26] <iReversed> Just hoped it was possible to change from paid version to another account
#1221 [15:26] <DopeGhoti> No, that is not possible.
#1222 [15:26] <kuddlywuddly> Kealper, i "think" i do, not 100% tho so yeah i'd love too
#1223 [15:26] <iReversed> I already knew that dope guy
#1224 [15:27] <Kealper> kuddlywuddly: http://portforward.com > select router model > skip the advertisement, you don't need it > scroll about half way down, click on Minecraft server
#1225 [15:27] <kuddlywuddly> sweet
#1226 [15:27] <VoxelHead> sweeeeeeeeet
#1227 [15:27] <Kealper> skip link is in the top right corner
#1228 [15:27] <Kealper> lol
#1229 [15:29] <iReversed> Well, shit.
#1230 [15:30] <iReversed> Can't you personally contact Notch or the mojang team? :P
#1231 [15:31] <xolotl> iReversed: No, they've said that they won't change names manually right now
#1232 [15:31] <iReversed> Hmm crap
#1233 [15:31] <Kealper> Notch is rather hard to get ahold of...the others are not as hard, but they won't do account switches....too much risk involved usually
#1234 [15:32] <oldtopman> iReversed: Whats your minecraft username?
#1235 [15:32] <VoxelHead> The Lord of the Rings.
#1236 [15:32] <Kealper> if you have your paypal reciept from the first account's purchase...you MIGHT be able to get them to remove the premium from your first account to go on your new account
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#1238 [15:33] <iReversed> iReversed is it okltopman
#1239 [15:33] <iReversed> I bought it with credit card
#1240 [15:33] <iReversed> Not paypal
#1241 [15:33] <Kealper> iReversed: if you have it, and want to give it a shot, plead your case with support@mojang.com and make sure to say what your premium username is, and what your new account is...and don't forget to provide some sort of proof that you are the owner of the account
#1242 [15:33] <oldtopman> iReversed: Were you tying to cop-er pay an homage to my username?
#1243 [15:33] <Kealper> well, a transaction thing from the card company would work, too
#1244 [15:34] <VoxelHead> yes, but only at the weekend
#1245 [15:34] <DopeGhoti> iReversed: are your parents really that unreasonable that you can't sit down and have a conversation with them about what you want to do with your money?
#1246 [15:34] <VoxelHead> mp3!
#1247 [15:34] <Kealper> vox, shut it
#1248 [15:34] <iReversed> Well, I bought this game just a few months ago
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#1250 [15:34] <iReversed> And I dont think they will allow me to buy the 'same' game
#1251 [15:34] <iReversed> Again after just a few months
#1252 [15:34] <iReversed> What do you mean oldtopman?
#1253 [15:35] <kuddlywuddly> Hmm
#1254 [15:35] <buddyochoa> Why is VoxelHead saying random things?
#1255 [15:35] <Kealper> iReversed: then do what i said, and try pleading your case with support@mojang.com
#1256 [15:35] <DopeGhoti> iReversed: Even if you frame it as I did for you previously?
#1257 [15:35] <VoxelHead> Not without lubricant.
#1258 [15:35] <Kealper> vox, shut up
#1259 [15:35] <VoxelHead> Bah.
#1260 [15:35] <oldtopman> iReversed: What is you username again?
#1261 [15:35] <iReversed> Simply, iReversed
#1262 [15:35] <bud> hey kealper remember me?
#1263 [15:35] <bud> :)
#1264 [15:35] <DopeGhoti> "This would be a one-time thing, which still is less expensive than maintaining, say, a WoW account. Plus, it's my money."
#1265 [15:35] <iReversed> I'll try to send a really formal name
#1266 [15:35] <Kealper> bud: how could i forget >.>
#1267 [15:35] <DopeGhoti> isn't 'i' reversed, just 'i'?
#1268 [15:36] <Kealper> you've been here half a dozen times now :P
#1269 [15:36] <kuddlywuddly> now im @ the port thingy, do i really need to ad a "server ip adress" below ports?
#1270 [15:36] <bud> lol kk I got a good question for ya
#1271 [15:36] <iReversed> >i<Reversed
#1272 [15:36] <Kealper> kuddlywuddly: that IP it wants you to add is just your computer's internal IP address
#1273 [15:36] <Kealper> kuddlywuddly: the portforward.com page should explain how to get that
#1274 [15:36] <Kealper> bud: orly?
#1275 [15:36] <bud> see, the host company my friend was using to run his beta, just shut down today, what are the best hosted dedicated server companies you have heard of?
#1276 [15:37] <kuddlywuddly> yeah thats np i've got uhm, gadgets
#1277 [15:37] <Kealper> bud: how much was he paying per month?
#1278 [15:37] <bud> cuz he has to use a host with his bandwidth and these ppl take his money and run
#1279 [15:37] <kuddlywuddly> that shows me the ip etc
#1280 [15:37] <bud> he was paying 10 dollars for 10 slots
#1281 [15:37] <Kealper> bud: ehh...is he fine with $20 a month?
#1282 [15:38] <Kealper> bud: sorry, $15 a month
#1283 [15:38] <Kealper> bud: https://allgamer.net/clients/cart.php?a=confproduct&i=0
#1284 [15:38] <bud> checking with him now :)
#1285 [15:39] <bud> ur not gonna believe it
#1286 [15:39] <bud> he found the same one at the same time you gave that to me lol
#1287 [15:39] <DopeGhoti> bud: best hosting dedicated servers? Rackspace.
#1288 [15:39] <Kealper> :P
#1289 [15:39] <DopeGhoti> bud: best, less than $LOTS/month? ServerBeach is pretty awesome.
#1290 [15:40] <bud> I appreciate this help guys
#1291 [15:40] <Kealper> AllGamer would be good if he doesn't know about linux and just wants a server up though, and they don't use crap hardward
#1292 [15:40] <Kealper> hardware*
#1293 [15:40] <bud> I will tell you though, if Obsidian servers ever starts up, turn ppl away from them
#1294 [15:40] <kuddlywuddly> uh
#1295 [15:40] <bud> they took his 10 dollars sunday
#1296 [15:40] <bud> and shut down today
#1297 [15:41] <kuddlywuddly> just checked my port
#1298 [15:41] <Kealper> bud: hmm...i've heard of them :O
#1299 [15:41] <kuddlywuddly> they wherent able to ping me but they could see port was open?
#1300 [15:41] <DopeGhoti> bud: sounds like yet another fly-by-night VPS fraudster
#1301 [15:41] <bud> ya they are cheats
#1302 [15:41] <Kealper> kuddlywuddly: is the minecraft server running?
#1303 [15:41] <bud> ok he wants to know Kealper
#1304 [15:41] <kuddlywuddly> nope
#1305 [15:41] <kuddlywuddly> i shut it down
#1306 [15:41] <kuddlywuddly> to test
#1307 [15:41] <bud> does allgamer have ftp and irc?
#1308 [15:41] <DopeGhoti> kuddlywuddly: ICMP Ping and TCP 25565 are different ports.
#1309 [15:41] <Kealper> kuddlywuddly: run the server, and you can just type !check in here
#1310 [15:42] <kuddlywuddly> mkay
#1311 [15:42] <kuddlywuddly> !check
#1312 [15:42] <kuddlywuddly> or
#1313 [15:42] <Kealper> bud: the minecraft server packages AllGamer offers are just minecraft servers, although if he wants other features, he can get one of their VPS packages
#1314 [15:42] <bud> ah ok
#1315 [15:42] <AG_Scott> bud, what do you mean by IRC?
#1316 [15:42] <kuddlywuddly> !check
#1317 [15:42] <kuddlywuddly> :/
#1318 [15:43] <AG_Scott> We don't block IRC ports but we don't allow linking to major networks.
#1319 [15:43] <bud> irc to connect our chatroom from the website to the server itself
#1320 [15:44] <Kealper> bud: why not have a channel on this network?
#1321 [15:44] <AG_Scott> I assume that's a plugin or something. We don't block any ports so.
#1322 [15:44] <bud> so connecting to a mibbit would be out of the question?
#1323 [15:44] <bud> ah ok
#1324 [15:44] <bud> hmm would that go into the server Kealper?
#1325 [15:44] <bud> if he were to register a chan on this network?
#1326 [15:44] <Kealper> bud: also, if you guys ever need help from AllGamer, anyone in here that you see with AG_ on their name is AllGamer staff :P
#1327 [15:44] <bud> ah ok
#1328 [15:45] <bud> let me get him to come in here
#1329 [15:45] <bud> and speak with you if you don't mind scott
#1330 [15:45] <DopeGhoti> The way people sometimes misread AUPs is hilariousl
#1331 [15:45] <kuddlywuddly> !check
#1332 [15:45] <bud> cuz he is the one putting out the money lol
#1333 [15:45] <Kealper> bud: yes, assuming you are talking about a bukkit plugin or something, you can set it to use your channel and this network
#1334 [15:45] <Kealper> kuddlywuddly: having some issues? lol
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#1336 [15:45] <kuddlywuddly> Some yeah :P
#1337 [15:45] <DopeGhoti> I've had someone try to argue to me before that an AUP clause that says "Don't run an IRC server" equates to "You cannot run irssi, because you _connect to_ an IRC server"
#1338 [15:45] <bud> ooooh ok
#1339 [15:45] <Lolikus77> Hey
#1340 [15:46] <Lolikus77> I have a question
#1341 [15:46] <DopeGhoti> Lolikus77: we have answers
#1342 [15:46] <AG_Scott> We might have an answer.
#1343 [15:46] <kuddlywuddly> i've tried both internal and external ip >_<
#1344 [15:46] <kuddlywuddly> and neither works
#1345 [15:46] <DopeGhoti> Lolikus77: we even trade
#1346 [15:46] <Lolikus77> Can i change anyway my Minecraft name?
#1347 [15:46] <kuddlywuddly> and the server is up and running
#1348 [15:46] <AG_Scott> No
#1349 [15:46] <DopeGhoti> Lolikus77: sorry, no, you cannot.
#1350 [15:46] <Lolikus77> :(
#1351 [15:46] <AG_Scott> When did you buy the game?
#1352 [15:46] <Kealper> kuddlywuddly: got TeamViewer? lol
#1353 [15:46] <AG_Scott> You could technically request a refund if it's been under 7 days and then buy it again.
#1354 [15:46] <kuddlywuddly> whats that?
#1355 [15:46] <iReversed> hEY
#1356 [15:46] <Lolikus77> hmm this year
#1357 [15:46] <VoxelHead> The best kind of request
#1358 [15:46] <iReversed> Another guy who asks that
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#1360 [15:47] <Kealper> kuddlywuddly: i'll take that as a no, did you want me to connect to your computer and set it up for you? i'm bored and have nothing better to do right now lol
#1361 [15:47] <xolotl> iReversed: It's not an uncommon question
#1362 [15:47] <pierpaf> hey
#1363 [15:47] <kuddlywuddly> Go for it
#1364 [15:47] <bud> AG_Scott, and kealper... pierpaf is the friend I was telling you about, looking into a new host company
#1365 [15:47] <Kealper> kuddlywuddly: i'll continue this chat in private, so....gimme a sec to get the link to TVQS
#1366 [15:49] <AG_Scott> hihi
#1367 [15:49] <pierpaf> ok hey guys
#1368 [15:50] <pierpaf> looking for a small server
#1369 [15:50] <pierpaf> private
#1370 [15:50] <pierpaf> 1 g with bukkit mod and irctransport, essential,,lockkest and heroicdeath
#1371 [15:51] <pierpaf> ftp access
#1372 [15:51] <BarryCarlyon> pierpaf: completly the wrong place.
#1373 [15:51] <pierpaf> oohkk
#1374 [15:51] <pierpaf> i have been told to come here
#1375 [15:51] <BarryCarlyon> This is minecrafthelp not sellmeaserver
#1376 [15:51] * SkiingPenguins is wearing a confused face
#1376 [15:52] <AG_Scott> BarryCarlyon, shaddup:(
#1377 [15:52] <pierpaf> so your tech support
#1378 [15:52] <pierpaf> i dont need you rifght now :)
#1379 [15:52] <pierpaf> sorries
#1380 [15:52] <AG_Scott> pierpaf, we sell minecraftservers, we don't however setup plugins and such for you.
#1381 [15:52] <pierpaf> buti can do it myself right?
#1382 [15:52] <SkiingPenguins> we as in the AG guys, not me
#1383 [15:53] <AG_Scott> Yep.
#1384 [15:53] <AG_Scott> SSH/FTP access
#1385 [15:53] <oldtopman> pierpaf: You can try #smp
#1386 [15:53] <AG_Scott> you guys might want to read up
#1387 [15:53] <BarryCarlyon> I think its generally frowned upon
#1388 [15:53] <AG_Scott> his friend sent him here
#1389 [15:53] <kuddlywuddly> !check
#1390 [15:53] * Kealper rages
#1390 [15:53] <BarryCarlyon> I missed that line AG_Scott my apologies
#1391 [15:54] <bud> so Ag_Scott with a basic server package, he could in turn set the plugins up himself?
#1392 [15:54] <AG_Scott> Yep.
#1393 [15:54] <AG_Scott> That's the entire point of full access ;)
#1394 [15:55] <pierpaf> well i much prefer full access then havingsomeone doing it for me evertime i wawnt
#1395 [15:55] <AG_Scott> I'll be back in a few minutes. Getting a cup of tea.
#1396 [15:56] <bud> pirpaf i told them how you got blackballed with Obsidian
#1397 [15:56] <iReversed> Allright
#1398 [15:57] <BarryCarlyon> Is obsidian still going?
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#1400 [15:59] <AG_Scott> back
#1401 [15:59] <AG_Scott> my desk is such a mess :<
#1402 [15:59] <bud> no barry
#1403 [15:59] <bud> obsidian
#1404 [15:59] <BarryCarlyon> Mine too, can't be bothered.
#1405 [15:59] <bud> charged pier sunday
#1406 [16:00] <bud> for a server
#1407 [16:00] <bud> then shut down today
#1408 [16:00] <BarryCarlyon> Ouch.
#1409 [16:00] <BarryCarlyon> Just checked their site last news entry was december.
#1410 [16:00] <bud> ooh check them now
#1411 [16:00] <bud> they are in website deathmode
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#1413 [16:01] <BarryCarlyon> lol
#1414 [16:02] <BarryCarlyon> When I first heard about them and I checkerd out thier site, it was in the same state it is now.
#1415 [16:02] <AG_Scott> what site? o.o
#1416 [16:02] <BarryCarlyon> Obsidian
#1417 [16:03] <bud> obsidian
#1418 [16:03] <AG_Scott> That's a host or something?
#1419 [16:03] <BarryCarlyon> Was
#1420 [16:03] <bud> was
#1421 [16:03] <AG_Scott> The majority of the minecraft hosts aren't even real companies.
#1422 [16:03] <bud> they answered his questions saturday
#1423 [16:03] <VoxelHead> i wish they didn't have to go :[
#1424 [16:03] <bud> got him set up on sunday and charged him
#1425 [16:03] <BarryCarlyon> Indeed.
#1426 [16:03] <bud> then shutdown today
#1427 [16:03] <BarryCarlyon> Mines on a personal VPS.
#1428 [16:03] <AG_Scott> Do a chargeback
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#1430 [16:04] <BarryCarlyon> TOo many people are trying to make money off the back of minecraft
#1431 [16:04] <bud> Scott
#1432 [16:04] <bud> how long does it usually take
#1433 [16:04] <AG_Scott> For a chargeback?
#1434 [16:04] <bud> after purchasing a server package
#1435 [16:04] <AG_Scott> oh
#1436 [16:04] <DopeGhoti> chargebacks usually are resolved in a week or so
#1437 [16:04] <AG_Scott> DopeGhoti, not true :(
#1438 [16:04] <AG_Scott> They can take months
#1439 [16:04] <DopeGhoti> not with my CU (:
#1440 [16:05] <BarryCarlyon> Depends on the bank, and where the money went too
#1441 [16:05] <bud> no I meant for the server to be in his hands
#1442 [16:05] <AG_Scott> 12-24 hour
#1443 [16:05] <AG_Scott> s
#1444 [16:05] <bud> ah kk
#1445 [16:05] <AG_Scott> usually under 12 if our support load is normal
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#1447 [16:05] <BarryCarlyon> Whats your website AG_Scott ? Just outta interest, if I see people looking I'll pass them along
#1448 [16:05] <bud> sounds great
#1449 [16:06] <ThomasCa001> !paid ThomasCa
#1450 [16:06] <ThomasCa001> !paid Istorn
#1451 [16:06] <AG_Scott> https://allgamer.net/
#1452 [16:06] <bud> thank you guys for all your help
#1453 [16:06] <bud> and scott, your company has impressed him :)
#1454 [16:06] <AG_Scott> :>
#1455 [16:06] <bud> he is going with you guys
#1456 [16:06] <VoxelHead> -_-
#1457 [16:07] <AG_Scott> awesome
#1458 [16:07] <SkiingPenguins> Voxel, get me some mtn dew!
#1459 [16:07] <bud> Good to know that there are TRUE host companies out there :)
#1460 [16:07] <BarryCarlyon> lol
#1461 [16:08] <BarryCarlyon> Shame you are offering McMyAdmin tho after the recent problems.
#1462 [16:08] <bud> lol I will let him take communications with you guys from here... I just wanted to bring him here because he was the one buying the space :)
#1463 [16:08] <kuddlywuddly> !check
#1464 [16:08] <Kealper> \o/
#1465 [16:08] <bud> kealper you have been awesome yet again :)
#1466 [16:08] <Kealper> :P
#1467 [16:08] <DopeGhoti> BarryCarlyon: other than being a third-party mod, what happened with McMyAdmin?
#1468 [16:08] <AG_Scott> BarryCarlyon, what recent problems?
#1469 [16:08] <BarryCarlyon> DopeGhoti: massive backdoor.
#1470 [16:08] * bud Pays his usual tech support fees to Kealper and waves :P
#1470 [16:09] <AG_Scott> BarryCarlyon, no
#1471 [16:09] <AG_Scott> that's MCAdmin
#1472 [16:09] * Kealper waves
#1472 [16:09] <AG_Scott> This is McMyAdmin
#1473 [16:09] <AG_Scott> it's totally different
#1474 [16:09] <BarryCarlyon> Ah wrong one. Names are too close :-D My Bad.
#1475 [16:09] <BarryCarlyon> :headdesk:
#1476 [16:09] * SkiingPenguins watches from afar
#1476 [16:09] <bud> oh and scott, if I hear of anyone looking as well, I will send them your way
#1477 [16:09] <Kealper> yeah, Phonic was worried people would do that after the whole MCAdmin debackle
#1478 [16:09] <lukegb> AG_Scott: yeah, MCMA needs a somewhat different name :P
#1479 [16:09] * bud waves to all
#1479 [16:09] <AG_Scott> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/McMyAdmin
#1480 [16:10] <lukegb> Kealper: no k D:
#1481 [16:10] <DopeGhoti> yeah, I heard about the MCAdmin debacle
#1482 [16:10] <BarryCarlyon> I knew of phonics one, mis read the forum posts of late as unaware of the bad one
#1483 [16:10] <Kealper> lukegb: wut
#1484 [16:10] <Kealper> wait....
#1485 [16:10] <Kealper> nvm....damnit
#1486 [16:10] <kuddlywuddly> Kealper thanks alot for all the help ;) <3
#1487 [16:10] <lukegb> Kealper: in debacle :P
#1488 [16:10] <Kealper> kuddlywuddly: np lol
#1489 [16:10] <BarryCarlyon> Looks like mcadmin's website is down tho
#1490 [16:10] <kuddlywuddly> Now its time to kill my computer U_U
#1491 [16:10] <BarryCarlyon> No wai tjust slooooooow
#1492 [16:11] <Kealper> lukegb: don't hate on my epic speeling
#1493 [16:11] <AG_Scott> I am happy today.
#1494 [16:12] <DopeGhoti> yay for happiness
#1495 [16:12] <AG_Scott> I managed to get my contacts in correctly with only 1 try.
#1496 [16:12] <AG_Scott> I keep putting them inside out ._.
#1497 [16:12] <Kealper> :o
#1498 [16:12] <VoxelHead> Well blow me down.
#1499 [16:12] * DopeGhoti could never even try contact lenses
#1499 [16:12] * SkiingPenguins doesnt want to wear contact lenses
#1499 [16:12] <AG_Scott> Oh they're so comfortable.
#1500 [16:12] <Kealper> they seem like they are more hastle than they are worth :/
#1501 [16:12] * DopeGhoti is very squicky about his eyes, and can't fathom voluntarily poling himself in the eye twice a day.
#1501 [16:12] <VoxelHead> Merki.
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#1503 [16:12] <DopeGhoti> er, poking
#1504 [16:12] <pierpaf> thx scott for your answers
#1505 [16:13] <BarryCarlyon> me too DopeGhoti
#1506 [16:13] <AG_Scott> I thought the same.
#1507 [16:13] <Kealper> does it feel weird putting them in?
#1508 [16:13] <AG_Scott> But they're easy to get in and out and I can't even feel them.
#1509 [16:13] <Kealper> O.o
#1510 [16:13] <ice> i need help pls
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#1512 [16:13] <DopeGhoti> ??> ice ask
#1513 [16:13] <VoxelHead> ice: (ask) Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help, and be as specific as possible.
#1514 [16:13] <VoxelHead> ice: (ask) If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#1515 [16:13] <AG_Scott> You should try them :D
#1516 [16:14] <lukegb> How2pirateMinecraft?
#1517 [16:14] <Kealper> i only need glasses for distant things, so i would not need them for most of the day, since i just sit in front of a computer screen lol
#1518 [16:14] <DopeGhoti> lukegb: step 1: get banned from #minecrafthelp.
#1519 [16:14] <DopeGhoti> step 2: There is no step 2
#1520 [16:14] <lukegb> Step 3: ???
#1521 [16:14] <lukegb> Step 4: PROFIT!
#1522 [16:14] <AG_Scott> step 4: profit.
#1523 [16:14] <Kealper> Where we're going, we don't need a step 2
#1524 [16:14] <AG_Scott> damn you
#1525 [16:15] <lukegb> AG_Scott: google's now throttling us again. Lesigh.
#1526 [16:15] <DopeGhoti> lukegb: 1997 called, they want their meme back.
#1527 [16:15] <AG_Scott> Quit using Google?
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#1529 [16:15] <Kealper> lukegb: throttling? wut?
#1530 [16:15] <lukegb> AG_Scott: I switched back to SES, but it's not much better.
#1531 [16:15] <AG_Scott> Google Apps isn't for sending bulk mail.
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#1533 [16:15] <lukegb> AG_Scott: neither is SES when you first sign up :P
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#1535 [16:16] <lukegb> Kealper: I'm trying to get 1429 queued account confirmation emails out
#1536 [16:16] <Kealper> lukegb: oh lol
#1537 [16:16] <ice> thanks for the heads up... my problem... i recently installed the game version 1.3 noob edition... my friend who lives a few kilometers away has it also.. i am trying to connect with him using his IP address in the multiplayer menu... i tried to deactivate my firewall and still i am not able to connect with him... how will be able to play together?
#1538 [16:16] <lukegb> Kealper: I'd send them directly, but it's an EC2 instance so hotmail goes ':o lolspam'
#1539 [16:16] <DopeGhoti> ice: is your friend running a server?
#1540 [16:17] <AG_Scott> Microsoft will make you pay to have IPs whitelisted.
#1541 [16:18] <DopeGhoti> AG_Scott: that's nothing new
#1542 [16:18] <ice> well he has owns a net cafe and im trying to connect to his main server
#1543 [16:18] <ice> if thats what you mean
#1544 [16:18] <Kealper> he probably has to set up forwarding inside the building's router, if he is hosting out of there
#1545 [16:18] <DopeGhoti> are others able to connect to the server?
#1546 [16:19] <ice> its the first time we're going to try it outside of the netcafe.. but it seems that when we use the lan we could connect
#1547 [16:19] <kuddlywuddly> Kealper so now i just send my mates my ip and they should be able to connect right?
#1548 [16:19] <ice> the lan server in the netcafe
#1549 [16:20] <Kealper> kuddlywuddly: correct
#1550 [16:20] <DopeGhoti> ice: sounds like the cafe neets some port forwarding and all will be well
#1551 [16:21] <Kealper> kuddlywuddly: you could also sign up for something like DynDNS ( http://dyndns.org ) if you wanted to, too
#1552 [16:21] <kuddlywuddly> Whats that?
#1553 [16:21] <kuddlywuddly> Also
#1554 [16:21] <Kealper> kuddlywuddly: you could have like... kuddlywuddly.dyndns.org or something that would point to your IP, so if it ever changed, you could quickly update it in the DynDNS settings and everyone is good to go
#1555 [16:21] <kuddlywuddly> he couldnt log on
#1556 [16:22] <kuddlywuddly> "connection lost"
#1557 [16:22] <Kealper> you have the server running, right?
#1558 [16:22] <kuddlywuddly> yep
#1559 [16:22] <ice> yeah
#1560 [16:22] <kuddlywuddly> and im logged on aswell
#1561 [16:22] <Kealper> hmmm....
#1562 [16:23] <Kealper> gimme a sec
#1563 [16:24] <ice> im currently talking with my friend on his cellphone... he is asking about what port to use
#1564 [16:24] <Kealper> 25565
#1565 [16:24] <VoxelHead> Kealper: that's numberwang!
#1566 [16:25] <BarryCarlyon> <3 VoxelHead
#1567 [16:25] <ice> numberwang?
#1568 [16:25] <BarryCarlyon> British comedy
#1569 [16:25] <BarryCarlyon> Look up mitchel and webb
#1570 [16:26] <ice> 25565 is the port right?
#1571 [16:26] <Kealper> yes
#1572 [16:29] <ice> now he is asking whats the start and end of the port and what is the protocol
#1573 [16:30] <BarryCarlyon> Start and end are the same, I can't remeber which protocol it is I have it set to both on mine.
#1574 [16:30] <Kealper> TCP
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#1576 [16:37] <ice> go
#1577 [16:37] <angeletti> which ports should i forward? and what protocols please
#1578 [16:37] <angeletti> im kinda experimenting on my own server
#1579 [16:37] <ice> guys angeletti is my friend who owns a netcafe
#1580 [16:38] <angeletti> any help is greatly appreciated
#1581 [16:38] <adept256> I have this probably of minecraft crashing to windows when I'm travelling around and it's loading new chunks. doesn't happen if I'm stay in one area. doesn't happen at all if I turn sound off
#1582 [16:38] <adept256> any ideas?
#1583 [16:38] <adept256> problem
#1584 [16:38] <Kealper> angeletti: port 25565 on TCP
#1585 [16:39] <adept256> lol rotate the board! that's wangernumb!
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#1587 [16:39] <Kealper> adept256: hmm....i have no idea, sounds like a bug to me :/
#1588 [16:40] <Kealper> have you tried reinstalling the game or java?
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#1590 [16:40] <VoxelHead> yes
#1591 [16:40] <adept256> yeah both
#1592 [16:40] <adept256> I'm using onbaord sound if thart matters
#1593 [16:40] <adept256> meh typing fail this morning ;/
#1594 [16:41] <Kealper> adept256: hmm....try reinstalling your sound drivers...other than that, i have no idea :/
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#1596 [16:42] <adept256> well I'd expect other games and anything that uses sound to be fubared too if it were sound drivers but it's worth a shot
#1597 [16:42] <adept256> other than that, blame notch ;p
#1598 [16:44] <Kealper> adept256: indeed
#1599 [16:47] <angeletti> guys can you give me tips on how to share my minecraft server outside my lan? like i know whats my external ip and stuff. do i need to forward any ports?
#1600 [16:47] <BarryCarlyon> Yes.
#1601 [16:48] <BarryCarlyon> 25565 TCP
#1602 [16:48] <angeletti> 25565 only?
#1603 [16:48] <BarryCarlyon> Yes. Unless you have specified a different port in server.properties
#1604 [16:48] <angeletti> oh. ill look that up. thank you sir
#1605 [16:48] <eest> BarryCarlyon: ah your back, just wanted to chime in and say that once i got that port installed it worked better
#1606 [16:48] <eest> thanks for the help
#1607 [16:49] <BarryCarlyon> eest: excellent :-D Happy crafting
#1608 [16:50] <eest> thanks :)... still got some issues with lagspikes and stuff, but it could be the hardware or something
#1609 [16:50] <angeletti> woah! that port forward trick did it sir! thank you very much! XD
#1610 [16:50] <BarryCarlyon> angeletti: no problem
#1611 [16:50] <ice> thanks guys :)
#1612 [16:50] <ice> by the way the game is great
#1613 [16:50] <ice> :)
#1614 [16:50] <VoxelHead> =D
#1615 [16:50] <angeletti> can i like share my external ip here? haha you can check out my world if you like
#1616 [16:51] <BarryCarlyon> Its up to you.
#1617 [16:51] <angeletti> 122.3.49.1
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#1619 [16:51] <angeletti> im from asia so spikes might occur but i do have a fast dsl connection. :P see ya!
#1620 [16:54] <aetherian> DSL is never fast enough
#1621 [16:54] <aetherian> take it from someone who has to live with it >.>
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#1624 [17:00] <Fritzkefit> hi
#1625 [17:01] <Fritzkefit> minecraft crashes all the time dunno what to do
#1626 [17:01] <Fritzkefit> any idea
#1627 [17:01] <Fritzkefit> ?
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#1633 [17:11] <surfhai> how do I display the framerate in minecraft?
#1634 [17:11] <Bob_Sack> press F3
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#1636 [17:12] <surfhai> wow
#1637 [17:12] <surfhai> alter, das nenn ich ne anzeige :D
#1638 [17:13] <GarlandJE> the version of WoM i was using got corrupted and i cant use it anymore, so now i tried to re-install the latest version but it wouldnt let me download it (or the previous version either). whats wrong?
#1639 [17:14] <GarlandJE> i keep getting error messages
#1640 [17:14] <BarryCarlyon> WoM doesn't exist anymore. As far as I know. It folded and died.
#1641 [17:14] <GarlandJE> :(
#1642 [17:14] <GarlandJE> folded....?>
#1643 [17:14] <BarryCarlyon> Secondly we can't help with World of Minecraft.
#1644 [17:15] <BarryCarlyon> Folded/went bust/died
#1645 [17:15] <kuddlywuddly> Kealper? :D
#1646 [17:15] <kuddlywuddly> nwm
#1647 [17:15] <kuddlywuddly> i think
#1648 [17:16] <Kealper> rawr?
#1649 [17:16] <GarlandJE> oh... k srry. whys it still on the WoM website then for d/l? j/w *sigh* i thought this was the mincraft *help chat- guess not. w/e... thnx anyway. bye :(
#1650 [17:16] <kuddlywuddly> was thinking of trying the dyns thingy
#1651 [17:16] <GarlandJE> thnx for nothing
#1652 [17:16] <kuddlywuddly> and it wouldnt connect but then i noticed i didnt set it as a game server >_<
#1653 [17:17] <Bob_Sack> #minecrafthelp doesn't support mods, but 95% of players use them, so it ends up being useless
#1654 [17:17] <xolotl> GarlandJE: This channel doesn't support unofficial third-party mods/clients/whatever
#1655 [17:17] <kuddlywuddly> now it worked :D
#1656 [17:17] <GarlandJE> pfft.... bullshit
#1657 [17:17] <xolotl> GarlandJE: If you say so.
#1658 [17:18] <kuddlywuddly> what do i type to give myself 64x tnt rather than ?
#1659 [17:18] <kuddlywuddly> ;o
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#1661 [17:19] <BarryCarlyon> kuddlywuddly: refer to here http://minecraftwiki.net/wiki/data_values then user /give username ID quantity
#1662 [17:20] <kuddlywuddly> sweet ty
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#1665 [17:21] <Tuttleturtle> I'm having issues with when I try to load minecraft (after clicking single player), I get a black screen, and am looking for advice on fixing this.
#1666 [17:22] <Bob_Sack> do u have the latest java?
#1667 [17:23] <Kadji> just a quick question: is there a way to REDUCE the spawn rate of monsters on a server (like playing on easy in singelplayer) - my server is overrun by monsters, even in well lit areas. Running on Bukkid (latest version - Server software 1.3)
#1668 [17:24] <Tuttleturtle> I'm using Sun's Java 6.
#1669 [17:24] <kuddlywuddly> i fucking hate creepers so im playing friendly when im sp'ing
#1670 [17:24] <kuddlywuddly> I HATE EM
#1671 [17:24] <Bob_Sack> tuttle go get the latest anyways
#1672 [17:25] <Bob_Sack> also easy mode doesn't reduce monster spawn rates
#1673 [17:25] <GreyVulpine> Not.. really Kadji, there may be a plugin for two for bukkit.. but I'm not aware of any
#1674 [17:25] <kuddlywuddly> fucking suicide ninjas are what they are
#1675 [17:25] <Bob_Sack> it only increases their damage
#1676 [17:25] <BarryCarlyon> Tuttleturtle: your graphics drivers are likely out of date.
#1677 [17:25] <Bob_Sack> err decreases
#1678 [17:25] <Kadji> well, kinda sucks, but thanks for the quick answer anyway.
#1679 [17:25] <Tuttleturtle> BarryCarlyon: There are no newer versions in the respositories
#1680 [17:32] <Tuttleturtle> I know that I'm only running on integrated graphics, but it should be running especially because I could care less about using fancy graphics.
#1681 [17:33] <dopeghoti> The styling may be retro, but the engine is modern.
#1682 [17:33] <Tuttleturtle> DopeGhoti: It runs on 6 year old computers fine. It should run on my core duo.
#1683 [17:33] <DopeGhoti> Tuttleturtle: depending on the GPU, yes.
#1684 [17:34] <DopeGhoti> For the most part, integrated GPU chipsets are, to put it kindly, shit.
#1685 [17:34] <Tuttleturtle> The 6 year old computer isn't using its graphics card because the driver dropped support for it. It's running fine. My boyfriend is currently playing. It should be running on a core duo.
#1686 [17:35] <DopeGhoti> Not if your Core 2 Duo has a GPU that takes fifteen seconds to render a cube.
#1687 [17:35] <Tuttleturtle> I am currently watching it be run on a computer that is NOT USING A GRAPHICS CARD.
#1688 [17:35] <DopeGhoti> It apparently HAS A BETTER GPU
#1689 [17:36] <Tuttleturtle> Yes. It does.
#1690 [17:36] <Tuttleturtle> Without a driver for it.
#1691 [17:36] <Tuttleturtle> Such that it can't use the GPU.
#1692 [17:36] <Tuttleturtle> Such that it is /only/ using mesa
#1693 [17:37] <DopeGhoti> you mean that the OpenGL driver is doing well rendering OpenGL code on an OpenGL compatible video card? I"m shocked. Shocked!
#1694 [17:37] <DopeGhoti> (I'm not that shocked.)
#1695 [17:37] <Tuttleturtle> No.
#1696 [17:37] <Tuttleturtle> The graphics card HAS NO DRIVER AT ALL.
#1697 [17:37] <Tuttleturtle> They dropped support of it.
#1698 [17:37] <Tuttleturtle> And its not using the graphics car.
#1699 [17:37] <Tuttleturtle> Only using the CPU.
#1700 [17:37] <Tuttleturtle> It's emulating use of a graphics card to be able to run.
#1701 [17:37] <DopeGhoti> You said it's running Mesa. Mesa is a genericized OpenGL GPU driver.
#1702 [17:38] <DopeGhoti> If the hardware supports OpenGL, it will utilize it. That's what Mesa is _for_.
#1703 [17:38] * Tuttleturtle sighs.
#1703 [17:38] <Tuttleturtle> Okay fine. You'll just refuse to listen to what I'm saying. I should just leave.
#1704 [17:38] <DopeGhoti> It's irrelevant anyhow, the point is that your other machine, with the Core 2 Duo apparently needs a better GPU.
#1705 [17:39] <Tuttleturtle> Because of course if I'm not a gamer I should not be able to play a game.
#1706 [17:39] <BarryCarlyon> DopeGhoti: you ok? You not having a heart attack there?
#1707 [17:39] <Tuttleturtle> No. No it doesn't.
#1708 [17:39] <Tuttleturtle> Because that's not the problem.
#1709 [17:39] * BarryCarlyon stands by with the paddles
#1709 [17:39] <Tuttleturtle> The problem /isn't/ that its lagging.
#1710 [17:39] <Tuttleturtle> The problem is it won't load in the first place.
#1711 [17:39] <DopeGhoti> BarryCarlyon: My cardiac rhythm is nominal, thanks.
#1712 [17:39] <xales> Tuttleturtle: If the GPU doesn't support OpenGL properly, or another related technology, then it will not load.
#1713 [17:39] * BarryCarlyon stands down
#1713 [17:39] <Tuttleturtle> xales: The GPU does support OpenGL.
#1714 [17:40] <xales> Does it support the requisite versions and full feature set of OpenGL?
#1715 [17:40] <xales> If it did, then it would run.
#1716 [17:40] <Tuttleturtle> It gets into the "select single player or multiplayer" screen - I select single player. And it goes to a black screen.
#1717 [17:40] <xales> And you have tried reinstalling Minecraft?
#1718 [17:41] <Tuttleturtle> xales: I know of people running minecraft on intel integrated graphics as long as they're in linux and using the better opensource drivers.
#1719 [17:41] <Tuttleturtle> what would reinstalling do?
#1720 [17:41] <xales> And are you?
#1721 [17:41] <Tuttleturtle> Yes.
#1722 [17:41] <xales> What specific integrated card? Not all of them work.
#1723 [17:41] <Tuttleturtle> I'm running linux. I have my drivers fine. I had them messed up before and it wouldn't get a loading screen. Then I fixed them and it went to this problem.
#1724 [17:42] <Tuttleturtle> Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller
#1725 [17:42] <xales> rm -rf ~/.minecraft
#1726 [17:42] <Tuttleturtle> I know how to remove files.
#1727 [17:42] <xales> Then do that?
#1728 [17:42] <Tuttleturtle> Why?
#1729 [17:42] <Tuttleturtle> What would it do?
#1730 [17:42] <Tuttleturtle> That's what I asked.
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#1732 [17:43] <DopeGhoti> Tuttleturtle: that would force a redownload/reinstall of all the Minecraft binaries.
#1733 [17:43] <RF> mobile 945 doesn't run it playable without using unsupported drivers
#1734 [17:43] <lelu> hello
#1735 [17:43] <xales> lelu: Hi
#1736 [17:43] <RF> It can play... but at 1 frame every 5 seconds
#1737 [17:43] <Tuttleturtle> RF: By playable you mean at all, or with decent FPS?
#1738 [17:44] <Tuttleturtle> Okay, I don't care about FPS, I have ways to improve that. I want it to load at all.
#1739 [17:44] <RF> latest driver from your notebook manufacturer
#1740 [17:45] <Tuttleturtle> RF: no, because the windows drivers are terrible. Actually using the open source drivers works way better. Also, I'm running linux still.
#1741 [17:45] <lelu> i am having an issue with minecraft and two computers, one a mac pro 2008 edition with 12GB ram, two twin core processors and an nvidia 512MB 8800GT - I have to have the render distance set to low, fancy graphics switched off, dynamic lighting set to low and it still often appears to have a very slow frame rate.
#1742 [17:45] <LG_Legacy> That may be due to two things
#1743 [17:46] <LG_Legacy> A: Other programs running in the background B: The programming for mac itself, but i doubt it.
#1744 [17:46] <DopeGhoti> lelu: what does the other computer have to do with it? (:
#1745 [17:46] <LG_Legacy> You gotta remember, this is Java as-well.
#1746 [17:47] <lelu> DopeGhoti: the other computer is a laptop, windows vista 1GB ram. Yesterday through some tinkering I squeezed 50fps out of the box and it was very playable so my girlfriend and I could play our server together. today its not hitting more than 9fps
#1747 [17:47] <Tuttleturtle> RF: Basically, right now I'm not trying to get decent framerate - I'm trying to get it to not come up with a black screen so that I can see whether its actually accurate that it won't work if I mess with things. So, I'm currently not caring at all what the FPS would be or whether its playable in that sense. Because I'm not getting that far.
#1748 [17:47] <RF> This might sound silly... but what processor do you have ?
#1749 [17:47] <Tuttleturtle> RF: I'm selecting "singleplayer" and it immediately goes to an all black page and won't ever go past that point into a point where I can see whether its playable.
#1750 [17:48] <RF> Minecraft has issues with you using 32bit JRE on a 64bit system
#1751 [17:48] <RF> Most commonly indicated by a blackscreen
#1752 [17:48] <Tuttleturtle> I'm on a 32 bit processor
#1753 [17:48] <LG_Legacy> Suppoesvily...
#1754 [17:48] <LG_Legacy> Theres a FPS mod
#1755 [17:48] <lelu> im thinking maybe finding a linux boot disk for the laptop to run minecraft as I have had great success with that.
#1756 [17:48] <DopeGhoti> lelu: (re: the Windows machine) there are likely other programs running that are taking up system resources. Also, if the hard drive is doing a lot of thrashing, you're sigging into the virtual memory which slows everything down.
#1757 [17:49] <RF> Hmm
#1758 [17:49] <kuddlywuddly> Tuttleturtle, have you restarted it?
#1759 [17:49] <LG_Legacy> What about Optimine?
#1760 [17:49] <kuddlywuddly> sometimes i get >1 fps
#1761 [17:49] <Tuttleturtle> kuddlywuddly: And why would I do that?
#1762 [17:49] <kuddlywuddly> Well usually solves it for me
#1763 [17:49] <Tuttleturtle> kuddlywuddly: I'm not getting it to the point where I'm seeing frames :(
#1764 [17:49] <BarryCarlyon> First rule of tech support, did you turn it off and on again.
#1765 [17:49] <kuddlywuddly> Hmm k
#1766 [17:50] <kuddlywuddly> Also ^
#1767 [17:50] <Tuttleturtle> BarryCarlyon: No, that's the first rule of windows.
#1768 [17:50] <BarryCarlyon> Tuttleturtle: no its he first rule.
#1769 [17:50] <BarryCarlyon> the*
#1770 [17:50] <lelu> DopeGhoti: indeed, I managed to get the base memory usage down to 315MB leaving minecraft the rest. Just bought two liscenses for minecraft three days ago so no money for a memory upgrade too
#1771 [17:50] <DopeGhoti> heh
#1772 [17:50] <kuddlywuddly> !system
#1773 [17:50] <kuddlywuddly> hm
#1774 [17:50] <kuddlywuddly> :p
#1775 [17:50] <Tuttleturtle> BarryCarlyon: I've restarted the x server. I see no reason to restart the computer as a whole.
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#1777 [17:51] <kuddlywuddly> Well thats what does it for me
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#1779 [17:51] <kuddlywuddly> doesnt matter if i turn off the server, kill the java apps and restart em, rebooting the pc helps O_o'
#1780 [17:51] <BarryCarlyon> Would you like to just try it regardless.
#1781 [17:52] <kuddlywuddly> and im running it on my lappy with shiny gfx and furthest rendering distance with around 55 fps
#1782 [17:52] <DopeGhoti> lelu: (re: the mac) I.. I have no idea why it's behaving poorly on that system unless,as mentioned, its copious resources are already in-use. I play on a 2009 iMac just fine, even full-screen, and your mac has loads more RAM than mine
#1783 [17:52] <BarryCarlyon> It has been known for java when the app is closed to remain open for example, and then be silly when started/restarting the application.
#1784 [17:52] <DopeGhoti> BarryCarlyon: that's what `killall -9 java` is for (:
#1785 [17:52] <kuddlywuddly> where
#1786 [17:52] <kuddlywuddly> would i type that
#1787 [17:52] <kuddlywuddly> cmd?
#1788 [17:52] <kuddlywuddly> run?
#1789 [17:52] <DopeGhoti> lelu: I have to ask: 5th Element reference?
#1790 [17:52] <BarryCarlyon> DopeGhoti: true. Last time we had that problem the whole laptop crashed so no access to do a killall.
#1791 [17:52] <kuddlywuddly> cause its paaaaaaaaaain to reboot my pc >_<
#1792 [17:53] <lelu> DopeGhoti: indeed :)
#1793 [17:53] <BarryCarlyon> kuddlywuddly: its a linux command
#1794 [17:53] <kuddlywuddly> aw
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#1796 [17:53] <kuddlywuddly> :(
#1797 [17:53] <BarryCarlyon> kuddlywuddly: you can achieve similar with taskmgr on windows.
#1798 [17:53] <lukegb> BarryCarlyon: or taskkill
#1799 [17:53] <DopeGhoti> Windows: Where you need a working GUI to kill a commandline process.
#1800 [17:54] <lukegb> Which is more akin to killall/kill than taskmgr
#1801 [17:54] <Tuttleturtle> BarryCarlyon: there is no java running on my system currently - tried to kill it and it wasn't there to kill, and the x server have been restarted. I mean, yes, I can restart, but then I'd lose all my IRC sessions.
#1802 [17:54] <DopeGhoti> (third-party software notwithstanding)
#1803 [17:54] <lukegb> DopeGhoti: you don't. You use taskkill
#1804 [17:54] <BarryCarlyon> lukegb: average use probably doesn't have that.
#1805 [17:54] <BarryCarlyon> user*
#1806 [17:54] <lukegb> they will
#1807 [17:54] <lukegb> It's windows system standard
#1808 [17:54] <lukegb> At least it is on every system I've seen :P
#1809 [17:54] <BarryCarlyon> rly?
#1810 [17:54] <lukegb> Rly.
#1811 [17:55] <BarryCarlyon> I never really looked that deep into windows shite, and I manager a windows xp based network up to 20machines.
#1812 [17:55] <lukegb> ^
#1813 [17:55] <BarryCarlyon> And damn my typing.
#1814 [17:55] <lukegb> I only found it because I wanted to annoy my friends and I could only run commandline commands
#1815 [17:55] <BarryCarlyon> hehe
#1816 [17:56] <lelu> will openjdk be enough to run minecraft?
#1817 [17:56] <lukegb> This was via a vbscript that would check for a file on a shared worldwritable networked drive :P
#1818 [17:56] <Tuttleturtle> lelu: Some people can get openjdk to work, some require sun-java
#1819 [17:56] <BarryCarlyon> lelu perhaps but I recommend "proper" java.
#1820 [17:56] <kuddlywuddly> oh man in my old gymnasium we used to forceshutdown peoples computers during tests n shit
#1821 [17:56] <kuddlywuddly> sooooooooo cash
#1822 [17:57] <GreyVulpine> Woooo, replacement computer came today
#1823 [17:57] <kuddlywuddly> after a month schools admin blocked cmd :(
#1824 [17:57] <BarryCarlyon> Yay for GreyVulpine
#1825 [17:58] <lelu> Tuttleturtle: BarryCarlyon: Well I shall give ubuntu boot disc a go, it comes with openjdk if the game runs then I will do a full install. Vista on a 1GB machine is too poor for words :/
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#1827 [17:58] <Tuttleturtle> Vista should in fact, not be on any 1GB machine.
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#1829 [17:59] <BarryCarlyon> Doesnt run too bad on my vista machine.
#1830 [18:00] <BarryCarlyon> Tho usually I do ensure its the only thing running.
#1831 [18:00] * VoxelHead is back
#1831 [18:00] <GreyVulpine> !ping
#1832 [18:00] <GreyBot> GreyVulpine Your Ping time was 0.483 seconds.
#1833 [18:00] <GreyVulpine> Yay!
#1834 [18:00] <GreyVulpine> I'll migrate everything else over.. later.
#1835 [18:01] * GreyVulpine is happy
#1835 [18:01] <lelu> Tuttleturtle: amen to that, when i get some more contract work I will look at upgrading its ram... ironically i just spent £700 on a sony laptop which has amazing spec if it wasnt for the intel integrating graphics :(
#1836 [18:02] <GreyVulpine> Ew
#1837 [18:02] <lelu> its a brand new pc and it cant run minecraft were as this five year old p.o.s can
#1838 [18:03] <Tuttleturtle> integrated graphics have their uses. They're good on machines you want to not have heat issues and don't want to game on. I only want the ability to run minecraft on here, and I'm fully aware that it'll be terribly slow, though I'm sure it'll run knowing that this is better for gaming than the one my boyfriend plays on.
#1839 [18:04] <lelu> well my mac is for graphic design and the sony laptop for coding on the go (freelance developer) and showing work to clients, so they both have their uses and do what they were bought for haha
#1840 [18:04] <VoxelHead> AARGH! The hideous mutant squid has escaped again and has created an army of cyborg zombie soldiers to do its evil bidding!
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#1842 [18:04] <lelu> i think it would be sad to buy another computer just for minecraft...
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#1844 [18:05] <kuddlywuddly> VoxelHead, i think im in love with you, your seemingly random and utterly humerous comments makes me giggle like a little girl <3 don't change
#1845 [18:06] <Tuttleturtle> Yeah. My laptop is meant to be with me always, so I can't have it have decent graphics. And well, the laptop that stays at home is 6 years old and doesn't have support for its grpahics card and wireless card at the same time, and my boyfriend has claimed it for minecraft already (its kinda hilarious, its playable if its the only thing running in X, on fast graphics, with a non-fullscreen screen, but it works)
#1846 [18:08] <Minecrafter> Is it possible to read the seed form the files in the save folder? (my save seems too be corrupted and i want to play with the same seed again)
#1847 [18:09] <Kealper> you'd need something like NBTEdit
#1848 [18:09] <Minecrafter> oh, thanks
#1849 [18:09] <Lam3r_co> guys, if mobs on my server freeze ocassionaly, is it because of low ram or cpu?
#1850 [18:10] <Kealper> Lam3r_co: depends, how much ram does your server have?
#1851 [18:10] <Lam3r_co> #))
#1852 [18:10] <Lam3r_co> 300
#1853 [18:10] <VoxelHead> *£!#£%!
#1854 [18:10] <Kealper> 300mb of ram total?
#1855 [18:10] <Lam3r_co> 300MB assigned to java
#1856 [18:11] <Kealper> oh...ehh...how many people are on it, and what cpu does it have?
#1857 [18:11] <Lam3r_co> 2 people
#1858 [18:11] <Minecrafter> check your firewall that was my problem
#1859 [18:11] <Lam3r_co> my iptables are as clean as it gets
#1860 [18:12] <Lam3r_co> but I guess I'll opt for more ram
#1861 [18:12] <Kealper> Lam3r_co: how much ram does the machine itself have? there is a possibility that the mc server is getting thrown on to swap
#1862 [18:12] <Lam3r_co> 384MB ram, 512MB swap
#1863 [18:12] <Lam3r_co> ah yes, I see
#1864 [18:13] <Kealper> yeah, 384mb total is SUPER low :/
#1865 [18:13] <Tuttleturtle> Lam3r_co: are you sure its not been thrashing?
#1866 [18:13] <Kealper> it's probably almost all sitting in swap, so that could lag quite a bit
#1867 [18:18] <GreyVulpine> !isdown
#1868 [18:18] <GreyBot> GreyVulpine: It's just you. http://www.minecraft.net is up.
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#1871 [18:19] <bletch> Hello
#1872 [18:19] <Kealper> hi
#1873 [18:19] <bletch> Can i ask for help about minecrafT?
#1874 [18:20] <Kealper> we are called #minecrafthelp for that reason :P
#1875 [18:20] <bletch> Alrighty :)
#1876 [18:20] <bletch> So here it goes
#1877 [18:20] * VoxelHead is away: h4x0ring
#1877 [18:20] <bletch> I had a black out recently and my computer got messed up a little bit.
#1878 [18:20] <bletch> Some of the older files were deleted.
#1879 [18:20] <bletch> Etc.
#1880 [18:20] <bletch> So i tried to play minecraft
#1881 [18:21] <bletch> And noticed nothing happened when i ran it
#1882 [18:21] <bletch> I went into task manager and noticed that java.exe and javvaw.exe was not running
#1883 [18:21] <bletch> I also checked my .minecraft folder in roaming
#1884 [18:21] <bletch> and it was empty
#1885 [18:21] <Kealper> O.o
#1886 [18:21] <bletch> i tried redownloading
#1887 [18:21] <bletch> nothing worked
#1888 [18:21] <bletch> Nothing pops up when i run minecraft.exe
#1889 [18:22] <Kealper> hmm.... try going to http://java.com and reinstall it
#1890 [18:22] <Kealper> it might have got corrupted
#1891 [18:22] <bletch> Ill try it and let you know
#1892 [18:25] <lelu> ive looked at some minecraft videos and noticed that a few have the fps and chunk updates constantly in the top left, if i press f3 it loads up a ton of graphs and the fps... is there a plugin i can use that just shows fps and chunk updates?
#1893 [18:25] <Kealper> the ones that just have the fps/chunk stuff are probably Minecraft Classic
#1894 [18:26] <Kealper> but there might be a mod that just shows FPS, i've never bothered to look for one
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#1896 [18:40] <BarryCarlyon> !itsdown
#1897 [18:41] <BarryCarlyon> !isdown
#1898 [18:41] <GreyBot> BarryCarlyon: It's just you. http://www.minecraft.net is up.
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#1901 [18:44] <PedroAsani> hi
#1902 [18:44] <PedroAsani> My server is kicking me off with the message "need to log in"
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#1904 [18:44] <PedroAsani> what do i do?
#1905 [18:45] <TheNytangel> when you use the command to give yourself stuff, can you put in a damage value or whatever so that you can get dye or something like that?
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#1907 [18:46] <xales> ??> PedroAsani smp/needlogin
#1908 [18:46] <VoxelHead> PedroAsani: (smp/needlogin) If you get the message "Kicking /IP: You need to log in!" when joining a server, you are attempting to join a Classic server.
#1909 [18:46] <VoxelHead> PedroAsani: (smp/needlogin) If you are running the server, you downloaded the wrong software. The correct software is on the same page where you download the client.
#1910 [18:51] <DopeGhoti> TheNytangel: No, you cannot.
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#1912 [18:53] <PedroAsani> ok, I downloaded the .exe from the page, and ran it
#1913 [18:54] <PedroAsani> it just kept erroring
#1914 [18:54] <PedroAsani> at jg.a
#1915 [18:54] <PedroAsani> at jg.b
#1916 [18:54] <PedroAsani> over and over
#1917 [18:58] <DopeGhoti> ?? error
#1918 [18:58] <VoxelHead> error: It's not helpful to just say "Some error" or "Some message". We need to know exactly what error(s) you are getting in order to tell you what it means.
#1919 [18:58] <VoxelHead> error: If the error is more than one or two lines, please use PasteBin (http://www.pastebin.com) so as not to flood the channel.
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#1922 [19:10] <lelu> wow just installed ubuntu netbook ed and its base install uses 285MB ram with a sizeable ramdisk haha. looking forward to seeing how minecraft runs after installing java
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#1926 [19:13] <kalle> hi all
#1927 [19:13] * VoxelHead returns
#1927 [19:13] <VoxelHead> :)
#1928 [19:14] <kalle> is there a trick to powering a minecart with coal and getting a ride on a cart in front of it?
#1929 [19:14] <kalle> it just doesnt seem to generate enought power
#1930 [19:16] <Bob_Sack> you on smp?
#1931 [19:16] <Bob_Sack> powered minecarts dont work on multiplayer
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#1936 [19:32] <Coll> I call bull
#1937 [19:32] <Coll> cause I used them
#1938 [19:32] <Coll> in Kealpers server
#1939 [19:32] <Coll> worked fine
#1940 [19:33] <Kealper> minecarts work fine
#1941 [19:40] <VoxelHead> bye phyburn
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#1949 [19:50] <FriskyFerret> Huzzah!
#1950 [19:51] <aetherian> hey uh
#1951 [19:51] <FriskyFerret> I need some hardcore help. Mostly on setting up my own server.
#1952 [19:51] <aetherian> shoot
#1953 [19:51] <VoxelHead> shooooooooooot
#1954 [19:51] <FriskyFerret> Shoooot
#1955 [19:51] <FriskyFerret> Forums arent helping.
#1956 [19:51] <aetherian> faaacepalm
#1957 [19:51] <aetherian> ??> FriskyFerret ask
#1958 [19:51] <VoxelHead> FriskyFerret: (ask) Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help, and be as specific as possible.
#1959 [19:51] <VoxelHead> FriskyFerret: (ask) If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
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#1961 [19:51] <FriskyFerret> ty
#1962 [19:52] <FriskyFerret> "Can anyone help me figure out how to set up a server, using hamachi."
#1963 [19:52] <aetherian> ??> FriskyFerret hamachi
#1964 [19:52] <aetherian> darn
#1965 [19:52] <aetherian> oh, fubar/hamachi. whatever.
#1966 [19:52] <aetherian> but anyway
#1967 [19:52] <aetherian> why do you need hamachi
#1968 [19:52] <xales> ??> FriskyFerret fubar/hamachi
#1969 [19:52] <VoxelHead> FriskyFerret: (fubar/hamachi) Hamachi has been squatting on a previously unallocated IP address space. This block of addresses, 5.0.0.0/8, has been allocated by IANA. As such, Hamachi conflicts with the internet. As such, #MineCraftHelp will neither support nor assist with server network issues for hosts using Hamachi for connectivity.
#1970 [19:53] <VoxelHead> FriskyFerret: (fubar/hamachi) If you are using Hamachi, use a different solution such as proper port forwarding, or a VPN.
#1971 [19:53] <FriskyFerret> Mk.
#1972 [19:53] <FriskyFerret> I dont NEED hamachi
#1973 [19:53] <aetherian> hey uh, just real quick, (though I have asked many times before), 1024 GB should be good for a server, hosted for 3-4 friends, right?
#1974 [19:53] <FriskyFerret> But I couldnt figure out the port forwarding either.
#1975 [19:54] <aetherian> you on windows?
#1976 [19:54] <FriskyFerret> si
#1977 [19:54] <FriskyFerret> windows 7
#1978 [19:54] <aetherian> open start menu, type in cmd.
#1979 [19:54] <aetherian> open that, type "ipconfig" (without quotes)
#1980 [19:55] <FriskyFerret> k
#1981 [19:55] <aetherian> find the default gateway. open whatever the default gateway is in you favorite web browser, (such as firefox or chromium)
#1982 [19:55] <aetherian> *your
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#1984 [19:56] <FriskyFerret> k
#1985 [19:56] <aetherian> you should be at some sort of a page
#1986 [19:56] <Heyloo> Hey
#1987 [19:56] <aetherian> do you have access to your routers password?
#1988 [19:56] <xales> Hello
#1989 [19:56] <Heyloo> Uhm, is anyone having the problem
#1990 [19:56] <Heyloo> of minecraft not
#1991 [19:56] <Heyloo> finding your worlds?
#1992 [19:56] <xales> Windows?
#1993 [19:56] <FriskyFerret> yeah
#1994 [19:56] <Heyloo> Yep
#1995 [19:56] <FriskyFerret> the page isnt opening though
#1996 [19:56] <FriskyFerret> which is odd
#1997 [19:57] <aetherian> FriskyFerret: error message?
#1998 [19:57] <FriskyFerret> no page
#1999 [19:57] <FriskyFerret> it keeps loading
#2000 [19:57] <Heyloo> Nope
#2001 [19:57] <Heyloo> Well
#2002 [19:57] <FriskyFerret> Ive opened it before too
#2003 [19:57] <Heyloo> I get nothing
#2004 [19:57] <Heyloo> When I log on
#2005 [19:57] <aetherian> well, these things take a while to load
#2006 [19:57] <Heyloo> I can't see any worlds
#2007 [19:57] <aetherian> trust me
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#2009 [19:57] <Heyloo> I wanna play my worlds :(
#2010 [19:57] <FriskyFerret> it timed out
#2011 [19:57] <FriskyFerret> lol
#2012 [19:57] <xales> aetherian: if it takes more than a second, it's a problem.
#2013 [19:58] <aetherian> xales: not for me
#2014 [19:58] <aetherian> mine's hecka slow
#2015 [19:58] <xales> Heyloo: Do you know how to open the appdata folder?
#2016 [19:58] <xales> aetherian: then you have a problem with your network or router :P
#2017 [19:58] <Heyloo> Yeah I do
#2018 [19:58] <FriskyFerret> id believe thers an issue
#2019 [19:58] <FriskyFerret> my d/l speed is hella lower
#2020 [19:58] <aetherian> xales: no, it works fine
#2021 [19:58] <Heyloo> Xale, ik how
#2022 [19:58] <xales> Heyloo: Look in %appdata%/.minecraft/saves - are there any folders?
#2023 [19:58] <aetherian> accessing its page is just slow
#2024 [19:58] <Heyloo> Yeah
#2025 [19:58] <Heyloo> There are
#2026 [19:58] <xales> FriskyFerret: Are you on a home Internet connection?
#2027 [19:59] <FriskyFerret> Yeah
#2028 [19:59] <xales> Heyloo: What version does Minecraft say in the top left when you open it?
#2029 [19:59] <FriskyFerret> router is plugged into my modem
#2030 [19:59] <Heyloo> lemme check
#2031 [19:59] <xales> FriskyFerret: Can you look on the router, and find the model number?
#2032 [19:59] <FriskyFerret> yeah
#2033 [19:59] <Heyloo> 1.3_01
#2034 [19:59] <xales> Heyloo: Is it every world, or just one of them?
#2035 [19:59] <Heyloo> All
#2036 [20:00] <xales> And when did this start happening?
#2037 [20:00] <Heyloo> Earlier
#2038 [20:00] <Heyloo> When I tried
#2039 [20:00] <Heyloo> to play
#2040 [20:01] <xales> Define "earlier"
#2041 [20:01] <Heyloo> Erm
#2042 [20:01] <Heyloo> I guess around 10 minutes ago
#2043 [20:02] <xales> Download MCEdit, and try to open one of the worlds with that.
#2044 [20:02] <Heyloo> Uhm
#2045 [20:02] <Heyloo> Sure
#2046 [20:02] <Heyloo> sec
#2047 [20:02] <Heyloo> Is there a link?
#2048 [20:03] <Heyloo> I can't search
#2049 [20:03] <Heyloo> :(
#2050 [20:03] <xales> Why can't you?
#2051 [20:04] <Heyloo> Nvm, i'll use google
#2052 [20:04] <Heyloo> The search thing on the mc forums is off or sumthing
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#2054 [20:09] <Heyloo> Nope
#2055 [20:10] <Heyloo> Don't think it can read my world
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#2057 [20:10] <Heyloo> just makes it a wierd map
#2058 [20:10] <xales> Are you using any mods on Minecraft?
#2059 [20:10] <Heyloo> Oh no, it actually works
#2060 [20:10] <Heyloo> On MCEdit
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#2064 [20:11] <Dil787> Hey I got a question
#2065 [20:11] <xales> Ask
#2066 [20:11] <Heyloo> >_<
#2067 [20:11] <Dil787> The outdated version on the website wont work for me
#2068 [20:11] <Heyloo> I'm using few mods
#2069 [20:11] <xales> What happens when you try?
#2070 [20:11] <xales> Heyloo: What, specifically?
#2071 [20:11] <Dil787> It says the Pixel format was not accelerated
#2072 [20:11] <xales> ??> Dil787 win/dxdiag
#2073 [20:11] <Heyloo> Command Line
#2074 [20:11] <VoxelHead> Dil787: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "save log" file and save it to your desktop.
#2075 [20:11] <VoxelHead> Dil787: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link you are sent to, and paste it here.
#2076 [20:12] <Heyloo> I think thats it
#2077 [20:12] <xales> Heyloo: few is not one. Is that really it?
#2078 [20:12] <Dil787> Ok
#2079 [20:12] <Heyloo> ._.
#2080 [20:12] <Heyloo> I'm using sdk gun mod and command line
#2081 [20:12] <Heyloo> i'll clear my folder
#2082 [20:12] <Heyloo> and get my files
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#2084 [20:13] <xales> Heyloo: I'm thinking that the mods corrupted your worlds - they are known to do that.
#2085 [20:14] <Heyloo> Thanks xale
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#2087 [20:14] <Heyloo> I'm deleting my .minecraft
#2088 [20:14] <Heyloo> re updating
#2089 [20:14] <Heyloo> and putting my worlds
#2090 [20:14] <xales> I don't think that will fix it
#2091 [20:14] <xales> Corrupted is corrupted
#2092 [20:14] <xales> You can't un-corrupt something
#2093 [20:14] <Heyloo> Oh
#2094 [20:15] <Heyloo> Dang.
#2095 [20:15] <aetherian> xales: yes you can.
#2096 [20:15] <Heyloo> Yep, doesn't work =[
#2097 [20:15] <aetherian> /theoretically/
#2098 [20:15] <xales> aetherian: not of MCEdit won't open it properly
#2099 [20:15] <xales> if*
#2100 [20:15] <aetherian> xales: open it up somehow and edit each bit of the files that are corrupted
#2101 [20:15] <Heyloo> Xales, mcedit opened it
#2102 [20:16] <aetherian> as necessary
#2103 [20:16] <Heyloo> the world
#2104 [20:16] <xales> Heyloo: Was it just open or was it actually showing you the contents of the world correctly
#2105 [20:16] <Heyloo> Yeah
#2106 [20:16] <Heyloo> It showed me my house, etc
#2107 [20:16] <aetherian> quaint little hut?
#2108 [20:16] <xales> Change something in MCEdit, save it, try to open it again
#2109 [20:17] <Heyloo> okay thanks
#2110 [20:18] <Heyloo> For some reasons, MCEdit shows that the spawn is underground
#2111 [20:18] <Heyloo> with lava
#2112 [20:19] <xales> You could try to move it, but don't be surprised if it still won't load :|
#2113 [20:19] <Heyloo> okay
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#2115 [20:23] <Dil787> Uh who sent me those instructions again?
#2116 [20:23] <Dil787> I uh forgot the last step
#2117 [20:23] <Dil787> something to do with pastebin?
#2118 [20:23] <GreyVulpine> <@VoxelHead> Dil787: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "save log" file and save it to your desktop.
#2119 [20:23] <GreyVulpine> [20:11] <@VoxelHead> Dil787: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link you are sent to, and paste it here.
#2120 [20:23] <Heyloo> Oh thanks Xale! it worked
#2121 [20:24] <Dil787> Oh alright
#2122 [20:24] <Dil787> Easy enough
#2123 [20:24] <DopeGhoti> that's what we aim for.
#2124 [20:24] <Dil787> http://pastebin.com/RZXth6Uh
#2125 [20:24] <Dil787> Is that good?
#2126 [20:24] <xales> No, that's actually very, very bad :|
#2127 [20:25] <Dil787> ooohhhh
#2128 [20:25] <xales> You don't seem to have any graphics card driver installed at all
#2129 [20:25] <xales> You need to install it
#2130 [20:25] <Dil787> Wow..
#2131 [20:25] <Dil787> Um how?
#2132 [20:25] <Heyloo> Xale, my stuff vanished though :X
#2133 [20:25] <Heyloo> Oh well, i'm fine with that
#2134 [20:25] <Dil787> Program/
#2135 [20:25] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, going to need to go to dell's site, look for Latitude D600
#2136 [20:25] <Dil787> Ok
#2137 [20:25] <GreyVulpine> You'll get drivers there
#2138 [20:25] <Dil787> Any free?
#2139 [20:25] <Dil787> Im tight on money
#2140 [20:26] <DopeGhoti> software drivers are generally free.
#2141 [20:26] <Dil787> Alright thanks
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#2145 [20:29] <Dil787> Hey uh where would my driver be located in my computer?
#2146 [20:29] <xales> What do you mean?
#2147 [20:29] <Dil787> I might have one just not installed
#2148 [20:29] <xales> You need to download it from Dell
#2149 [20:29] <Dil787> mmk
#2150 [20:30] <Dil787> Im on there website and looking at the latitude d600 stuff and its like 100$ for everything
#2151 [20:30] <Dil787> one sec
#2152 [20:30] <Dil787> Oh god system drives are even more expensive
#2153 [20:31] <xales> You are looking at the wrong thing
#2154 [20:31] <xales> You need to go to the drivers section of the website
#2155 [20:31] <Dil787> Ya I see
#2156 [20:31] <Dil787> Drivers and downloads?
#2157 [20:31] <VoxelHead> have you asked chabby?
#2158 [20:31] <xales> Yes
#2159 [20:32] <Dil787> Alright I found a download
#2160 [20:32] <Dil787> Ahh..crap
#2161 [20:32] <Dil787> It came in a rar. file
#2162 [20:32] <Dil787> My computer won't open those
#2163 [20:33] <xales> Download 7zip
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#2165 [20:33] <xales> Use that to open it
#2166 [20:33] <Dil787> Alright one sec
#2167 [20:33] <Dil787> So many tabs open ..
#2168 [20:33] <Tuttleturtle> I found my error from before - it was a corrupted download, and redownloading it fixed it :)
#2169 [20:34] <Dil787> im downloading 7zip now..
#2170 [20:35] <Dil787> Alright its installed
#2171 [20:36] <Tuttleturtle> But, this is smooth even with integrated graphics if I put it onto fast graphics :)
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#2173 [20:39] <Tuttleturtle> It's a little jumpy on fancy graphics, but not bad at all.
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#2178 [20:54] <I_am_an_alot> Please click this link, it's for a friend... http://minecraftaccounts.net/spotify/?ref=22269
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#2180 [20:55] * GreyVulpine coughs
#2180 [20:55] <GreyVulpine> hmm
#2181 [20:55] <xales> I got it
#2182 [20:55] <xales> I reported it about 15 minutes ago
#2183 [20:55] <xales> It's back again :|
#2184 [20:55] <GreyVulpine> Ah
#2185 [20:55] <BarryCarlyon> Its a trap!
#2186 [20:55] <xales> and now akilled
#2187 [20:55] <GreyVulpine> Neat
#2188 [20:56] <Dil787> Well
#2189 [20:57] <Dil787> I am currently screwed
#2190 [20:57] <xales> Why?
#2191 [20:57] <Dil787> Im getting a new computer any way
#2192 [20:57] <BarryCarlyon> Did you click the link?
#2193 [20:57] <Dil787> Ill just check out that one
#2194 [20:57] <Dil787> And download one on there
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#2197 [20:57] <Dil787> Something f**ked up on the download
#2198 [20:57] <Dil787> I don't know what
#2199 [20:58] <Dil787> It won't actully open
#2200 [20:58] <Dil787> So yaa
#2201 [20:59] <Dil787> Ey are you guys willing to uh check my other computer when I get possibly tomorrow?
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#2203 [20:59] <Dil787> See what's up with that one?
#2204 [20:59] <xales> It should just work
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#2206 [21:00] <VoxelHead> I like them =]
#2207 [21:00] <GreyVulpine> !ping
#2208 [21:00] <xales> GreyVulpine: new client? O_o
#2209 [21:00] <Dil787> What if it doesn't have a graphics card?
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#2211 [21:00] <Dil787> How would I find that out?
#2212 [21:01] <GreyVulpine> It will have a graphics card
#2213 [21:01] <Dil787> Alright
#2214 [21:01] <Dil787> I'll try it when I get it so ya
#2215 [21:01] <GreyVulpine> On your PC, do you see a sticker somewhere? Dell usually puts a.. um
#2216 [21:01] <Dil787> I g2g so cya guys later
#2217 [21:01] <GreyVulpine> How do they call it.. a support tag?
#2218 [21:01] <Dil787> Um that sticker?
#2219 [21:01] <Dil787> Oh that got ruined
#2220 [21:01] <GreyVulpine> It'll have your computer's specs on it
#2221 [21:01] <Dil787> But I'll cya guys later
#2222 [21:02] <GreyVulpine> Laters
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#2224 [21:03] <GreyVulpine> Testing..
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#2226 [21:04] <xales> New client? :o
#2227 [21:04] <GreyVulpine> In process of reinstalling/migrating everything
#2228 [21:04] <xales> Ah, still mIRC though?
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#2230 [21:04] <GreyVulpine> It's what I'm familiar with
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#2232 [21:05] <xales> You had a hydraIRC quit message a minute ago
#2233 [21:05] <GreyVulpine> I only use HydraIRC if I have access to nothing else.
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#2235 [21:06] <GreyVulpine> Portable USB and all
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#2238 [21:08] <GreyVulpine> Bah, I hate Win7 already
#2239 [21:08] <xales> :|
#2240 [21:09] <GreyVulpine> I'm set as an administrator.. yet I'm not
#2241 [21:09] <GreyVulpine> Thanks microsoft
#2242 [21:15] <DopeGhoti> GreyVulpine: "It's for your protection, because nothing makes systems more safe then training people that you just click 'Yes' anytime UAC comes up.
#2243 [21:15] <DopeGhoti> "
#2244 [21:16] <BarryCarlyon> Unless you disable UAC...
#2245 [21:16] <GreyVulpine> It's not that, I have to run some programs as administrator... even though my account is already marked as such
#2246 [21:16] <GreyVulpine> UAC is a rant for another day
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#2248 [21:17] <DopeGhoti> GreyVulpine: I ran into that with Crysis 2 last night, which would not save my key (and thus, would not let me play online), until I rejiggered the .exe to run as administrator.
#2249 [21:19] <GreyVulpine> I'm running into that now, this is my first time actually touching Win7 firsthand
#2250 [21:19] <GreyVulpine> instead of through an RPC session with somebody else
#2251 [21:19] <DopeGhoti> heh
#2252 [21:19] <VoxelHead> =D
#2253 [21:20] <DopeGhoti> That you can blame on CryTeam or whatever they call themselves, because most games don't need that to be done.
#2254 [21:20] * VoxelHead is away: beer
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#2255 [21:23] <GreyVulpine> I think you're missing a step between CMD and CAS-enter..
#2256 [21:24] <BarryCarlyon> DopeGhoti: my friends crysis2 would not activate until tomorrow.
#2257 [21:24] <DopeGhoti> GreyVulpine: nope
#2258 [21:25] <DopeGhoti> BarryCarlyon: you know the future?! What are the powerball numbers? I'll split!
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#2260 [21:26] <GreyVulpine> Bah.. wonder if I can rig a shortcut to 'cmd' with it already set to admin
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#2262 [21:26] <GreyVulpine> pin it to the bar or something
#2263 [21:28] <GreyVulpine> What's a cmd command that requires admin..
#2264 [21:28] <GreyVulpine> Don't want to do ipconfig /release
#2265 [21:28] * GreyVulpine googles
#2265 [21:28] <BarryCarlyon> rm -rf /*
#2266 [21:28] <GreyVulpine> cmd, not bash
#2267 [21:28] <BarryCarlyon> Doh wait thats not windows.
#2268 [21:28] <GreyVulpine> windows
#2269 [21:28] <BarryCarlyon> :-P
#2270 [21:28] <BarryCarlyon> adding a route
#2271 [21:29] <BarryCarlyon> formatting a drive
#2272 [21:29] <RF> just ipconfig
#2273 [21:29] <DopeGhoti> most netsh commands do
#2274 [21:29] <BarryCarlyon> prtty sure you need admin to format usb's
#2275 [21:29] <DopeGhoti> taskkill
#2276 [21:29] <BarryCarlyon> Shutdown
#2277 [21:29] <DopeGhoti> nope, regular users can shutdown
#2278 [21:29] <BarryCarlyon> You sure?
#2279 [21:31] <BarryCarlyon> Are you sure you are sure?
#2280 [21:31] <DopeGhoti> I'm so sure I'm second-guessing myself and am about to go home and see.
#2281 [21:32] <BarryCarlyon> Are you sure you want to do that?
#2282 [21:32] * BarryCarlyon stops impersonating windows
#2282 [21:32] <DopeGhoti> no, but I am sure I want to go home
#2283 [21:32] <DopeGhoti> so I will.
#2284 [21:32] <BarryCarlyon> Good plan.
#2285 [21:32] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, I think Dope's right
#2286 [21:33] <GreyVulpine> shutdown doesn't need admin
#2287 [21:33] <GreyVulpine> Just did shutdown /i /t 500, and it let me
#2288 [21:33] <BarryCarlyon> lol
#2289 [21:35] <GreyVulpine> Wow, did UAC get even more annoying with 7?
#2290 [21:35] * GreyVulpine turns it off completely
#2290 [21:35] <Kealper> it is actually much more tame
#2291 [21:36] <GreyVulpine> And remote assistance was turned on by default, thanks MS.
#2292 [21:36] <GreyVulpine> Love your security.
#2293 [21:36] <Kealper> not sure if sarcasm
#2294 [21:37] * GreyVulpine glares
#2294 [21:37] <Kealper> that....actually is more secure like that lol
#2295 [21:37] <Kealper> actually it's quite secure with UAC on and RDC disabled....annoying, but secure
#2296 [21:41] <GreyVulpine> Where the crap is UAC on Win7..
#2297 [21:42] <Kealper> start menu search > change user account control settings
#2298 [21:42] <GreyVulpine> oh right, thanks
#2299 [21:42] <Kealper> start menu search = best thing since GUIs
#2300 [21:42] <GreyVulpine> Much better.
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#2302 [21:44] <Kealper> !reload mod_mchelp
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#2305 [21:55] <ColonelSlur> Herrro
#2306 [21:56] <ColonelSlur> Is anybody here?
#2307 [21:56] <GreyVulpine> Nope
#2308 [21:56] <ColonelSlur> Aww
#2309 [21:56] <ColonelSlur> :'(
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#2311 [21:56] <soraguy599> Hello!
#2312 [21:56] <ColonelSlur> Herro.
#2313 [21:57] <soraguy599> Could you guys help me set up a server for minecraft classic?
#2314 [21:57] <GreyVulpine> Download minecraft server binary, port forward as necessary.
#2315 [21:57] <GreyVulpine> Run, connect, and enjoy.
#2316 [21:57] <ColonelSlur> Vulpine, I need help
#2317 [21:57] <ColonelSlur> I purchased the game, it's been an hour
#2318 [21:57] <ColonelSlur> And it still says I havnt
#2319 [21:57] <ColonelSlur> I have a screenshot of my purchase
#2320 [21:58] <GreyVulpine> It has been known to take a few hours
#2321 [21:58] <soraguy599> Ok. Where do I get the Minecraft Classic server binary?
#2322 [21:58] <ColonelSlur> All right
#2323 [21:58] <Shadow386> Also, did you purchase with a credit card?
#2324 [21:58] <ColonelSlur> Because I did not een get an email
#2325 [21:58] <ColonelSlur> No
#2326 [21:58] <GreyVulpine> http://www.minecraft.net/servers.jsp
#2327 [21:58] <ColonelSlur> paypal
#2328 [21:58] <GreyVulpine> Top of the page is the minecraft classic server file
#2329 [21:58] <Shadow386> k
#2330 [21:58] <soraguy599> Thanks, GreyVulpine!
#2331 [21:59] <ColonelSlur> Grey, I bought using PayPal
#2332 [21:59] <ColonelSlur> Maybe at 4PM?
#2333 [21:59] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, just wait a couple hours
#2334 [22:00] <GreyVulpine> Their system hasn't been know to be exactly.. speedy.
#2335 [22:00] <lemon-rev> ColonelSlur check your account ballence with the bank and see if its gone though or not
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#2337 [22:00] <ColonelSlur> All right
#2338 [22:00] <ColonelSlur> So tomorrow, at, perse, 4 PM it should be done?
#2339 [22:00] <soraguy599> The "startserver.bat" isn't working.
#2340 [22:01] <Kealper> AG_*
#2341 [22:01] <GreyVulpine> soraguy599 - Define "Not working"
#2342 [22:01] <lemon-rev> ColonelSlur well hopefully something when you brought it, would be stated on your statement
#2343 [22:01] <GreyVulpine> ColonelSlur - It'll go through within a few hours.
#2344 [22:01] <GreyVulpine> It's been that way for other people
#2345 [22:02] <ColonelSlur> Ok, thank you
#2346 [22:02] <soraguy599> The .bat: 'java' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file. Press any key to continue...
#2347 [22:02] <ColonelSlur> So right now, it says nowhere I bought it except for on paypal?
#2348 [22:03] <lemon-rev> on paypal it says you brought it , hum ok
#2349 [22:03] <GreyVulpine> That's alright, as long as you keep the receipt and transaction ID
#2350 [22:03] <soraguy599> The .jar: Failed to load Main-Class manifest attribute from C:\*FILEPATH*
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#2352 [22:03] <GreyVulpine> soraguy599 - You need to extract the stuff from the zip file
#2353 [22:03] <ColonelSlur> Where is that located, Grey?
#2354 [22:03] <soraguy599> I extracted the files.
#2355 [22:04] <GreyVulpine> ColonelSlur - It should tell you, either in the page immediately following the paypal payment, or paypal's email to you
#2356 [22:04] <ColonelSlur> I got no emails after I purchased Minecraft
#2357 [22:04] <ColonelSlur> It took me to a page saying I should be able to dl it
#2358 [22:04] <ColonelSlur> Or play online
#2359 [22:04] <ColonelSlur> I tried browser, it said I didntpurchase
#2360 [22:05] <GreyVulpine> ColonelSlur - Hmm, do you have the paypal page where it said you paid for it?
#2361 [22:05] <ColonelSlur> The page?
#2362 [22:05] <GreyVulpine> soraguy599 - Then, is this running on windows?
#2363 [22:05] <soraguy599> Yes, I use windows. Windows 7, to be precise.
#2364 [22:06] <GreyVulpine> ColonelSlur - You said you had a screenshot of the purchase
#2365 [22:06] <GreyVulpine> Does that screenshot show a paypal transaction ID?
#2366 [22:07] <GreyVulpine> soraguy599 - Then, did you extract all three files from that zip? startserver.bat, minecraft-server.jar and readme?
#2367 [22:07] <GreyVulpine> Placed it in a seperate folder?
#2368 [22:07] <soraguy599> Yes I did.
#2369 [22:07] <ColonelSlur> Yes, as in the page that follows.
#2370 [22:07] <ColonelSlur> It should be in my clipboard
#2371 [22:07] <soraguy599> I put the files in their own folder.
#2372 [22:07] <GreyVulpine> ColonelSlur - If, after a day, you haven't been credited, you'll need to email payment@mojang.com with those details.
#2373 [22:07] <GreyVulpine> For now, just wait.
#2374 [22:08] <ColonelSlur> Ok.
#2375 [22:08] <GreyVulpine> soraguy599 - Hmm, do you have java installed and updated?
#2376 [22:09] <soraguy599> My java is fully updated.
#2377 [22:09] <GreyVulpine> You're launching the server with the start-server.bat?
#2378 [22:09] <GreyVulpine> Not by double clicking on minecraft-server.jar?/
#2379 [22:10] <soraguy599> I tried both.
#2380 [22:10] <GreyVulpine> The latter, won't work.
#2381 [22:10] <GreyVulpine> Do you get the same error with the former?
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#2383 [22:10] <soraguy599> I get this error: 'java' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file. Press any key to continue...
#2384 [22:11] <GreyVulpine> Ah, java isn't in your windows environment variables then.
#2385 [22:11] <soraguy599> Sooo...
#2386 [22:11] <GreyVulpine> I'll walk you through putting it in
#2387 [22:11] <ColonelSlur> GreyVulpine, Sir, this is the screenshot I have.http://i55.tinypic.com/2vjptp3.jpg
#2388 [22:11] <GreyVulpine> In windows, head to your control panel.
#2389 [22:11] <ColonelSlur> Excuse me if I am interupting.
#2390 [22:11] <ColonelSlur> http://i55.tinypic.com/2vjptp3.jpg
#2391 [22:11] <GreyVulpine> No worries
#2392 [22:11] <soraguy599> I'm not an admin, though.
#2393 [22:12] <ColonelSlur> Did you see it?
#2394 [22:12] <GreyVulpine> Yeah ColonelSlur
#2395 [22:12] <ColonelSlur> Will it be enough?
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#2397 [22:13] <GreyVulpine> I don't know ColonelSlur.
#2398 [22:13] <GreyVulpine> soraguy599 - What do you mean?
#2399 [22:13] <ColonelSlur> Is it inadequite? I do not know what to do.
#2400 [22:14] <GreyVulpine> ColonelSlur - Recheck your email, also check the junk folder if there is one.
#2401 [22:14] <soraguy599> My account on windows 7 is a standard account, not an administrator account.
#2402 [22:14] <ColonelSlur> My Junk automatically gets deleted
#2403 [22:14] <ColonelSlur> Its set to that
#2404 [22:14] <ColonelSlur> Nothing is in my email currenty from Minecraft
#2405 [22:15] <ColonelSlur> I clicked the downlaod link and went to a site that downloaded it
#2406 [22:15] <ColonelSlur> Shall I try running it?
#2407 [22:15] <GreyVulpine> http://www.minecraft.net/haspaid.jsp?user=ColonelSlur
#2408 [22:15] <GreyVulpine> Shows your account hasn't been credited yet
#2409 [22:16] <GreyVulpine> Give it a little more time
#2410 [22:16] <ColonelSlur> Ok, sir
#2411 [22:16] <ColonelSlur> If it is not updated within 12 hours time, shall I be worried?
#2412 [22:16] <soraguy599> I have to go to bed now. Bye!
#2413 [22:17] <GreyVulpine> Give it 24 hours, then you'll need to send an email to payment@mojang.com
#2414 [22:17] <ColonelSlur> All right
#2415 [22:18] <ColonelSlur> Also, Mr. Grey, my father in law, who also plays MineCaft, keeps getting this error:
#2416 [22:18] <ColonelSlur> Bad video card drivers! ----------------------- Minecraft was unable to start because it failed to find an accelerated OpenGL mode. This can usually be fixed by updating the video card drivers. --- BEGIN ERROR REPORT 7fe0271 -------- Generated 3/23/11 10:19 PM Minecraft: Minecraft Beta 1.3_01 OS: Windows 7 (x86) version 6.1 Java
#2417 [22:18] <ColonelSlur> He has Direct X 11
#2418 [22:18] <GreyVulpine> Have him update his video driers
#2419 [22:18] <ColonelSlur> And Intel
#2420 [22:18] <ColonelSlur> He tried
#2421 [22:18] <ColonelSlur> It says ltast is downloaded
#2422 [22:18] <GreyVulpine> From where did he try?
#2423 [22:19] <GreyVulpine> How did he try and update it?
#2424 [22:19] <ColonelSlur> Googled it.
#2425 [22:19] <ColonelSlur> Yes.
#2426 [22:19] <GreyVulpine> Googled? What site?
#2427 [22:19] <ColonelSlur> I do not remember
#2428 [22:19] <GreyVulpine> It would help if I knew whether or not he got the right site, with the right drivers
#2429 [22:20] <ColonelSlur> It is Standard VGA Graphics cards.
#2430 [22:20] <GreyVulpine> How much RAM does he have on the computer?
#2431 [22:21] <ColonelSlur> 1.5 GB
#2432 [22:21] <ColonelSlur> It is relativly old
#2433 [22:21] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, could you possibly pull up a dxdiag off that computer?
#2434 [22:21] <GreyVulpine> ?? win/dxdiag
#2435 [22:21] <VoxelHead> win/dxdiag: Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "save log" file and save it to your desktop.
#2436 [22:21] <VoxelHead> win/dxdiag: Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link you are sent to, and paste it here.
#2437 [22:26] <ColonelSlur> http://pastebin.com/cpSnKTLC
#2438 [22:26] <ColonelSlur> There it is, Sir
#2439 [22:28] <GreyVulpine> Wow, hmm, okay
#2440 [22:28] <ColonelSlur> can see, it's relativly old.
#2441 [22:28] <ColonelSlur> As yo ucan
#2442 [22:28] <GreyVulpine> That is an old computer, which your dad probably updated to Windows7, without knowing what drivers he needed to install
#2443 [22:29] <ColonelSlur> Must he install more drivers?
#2444 [22:29] <GreyVulpine> It's running off of standard VGA drivers, because nothing else is installed on it
#2445 [22:29] <ColonelSlur> Excuse us, we are new to this.
#2446 [22:29] <GreyVulpine> Sec, I'm looking for drivers for you
#2447 [22:32] <Kealper> that comput doesn't have enough ram to play minecraft.....
#2448 [22:32] <Kealper> computer*
#2449 [22:33] <Kealper> or graphics
#2450 [22:33] <ColonelSlur> Kealper
#2451 [22:33] <Kealper> 1024MB total, 1016MB available for use, means onboard video has 8MB of ram being taken for use
#2452 [22:33] <GreyVulpine> RAM, you could set the allotment down, won't play nicely.
#2453 [22:33] <GreyVulpine> But that video will be a problem
#2454 [22:34] <ColonelSlur> He just wants to try it out
#2455 [22:34] <ColonelSlur> We're getting a new computer soon
#2456 [22:34] <GreyVulpine> I can't find drivers for it for windows 7
#2457 [22:34] <xales> GreyVulpine: No Windows 7 support for older Intel chips
#2458 [22:34] <GreyVulpine> Yeah
#2459 [22:34] <Kealper> it's just going to blackscreen if you get it to start :/
#2460 [22:34] <ColonelSlur> Aw.
#2461 [22:34] <ColonelSlur> So I will have to wait and get a new computer?
#2462 [22:34] <Kealper> not enough video ram
#2463 [22:35] <GreyVulpine> It's marked as an end of life product, which means updated drivers can't be found for it, especially for newer operating systems like Win7
#2464 [22:35] <ColonelSlur> Well, thank you guys. I can't even begin to thank you.
#2465 [22:35] <ColonelSlur> You'er really helpful
#2466 [22:36] <GreyVulpine> Thanks, we try to be.
#2467 [22:36] <Kealper> oh my, and a 1Ghz processor :/
#2468 [22:36] <ColonelSlur> Well, thank you, and I hope you have a good day!
#2469 [22:36] <ColonelSlur> Hahah, Kealper
#2470 [22:36] <ColonelSlur> This computer is not good, correct?
#2471 [22:36] <Kealper> it's pretty old from what i can see lol
#2472 [22:36] <GreyVulpine> It's barely passable for this decade.
#2473 [22:37] <ColonelSlur> This is the new one I shall be buying
#2474 [22:37] <ColonelSlur> http://i.imgur.com/ta21R.png
#2475 [22:37] <ColonelSlur> Well, for the parts.
#2476 [22:37] <Kealper> that will do far better lol
#2477 [22:37] <Kealper> see that video card in your new build?
#2478 [22:37] <ColonelSlur> Yes?
#2479 [22:38] <Kealper> if that video card only had 1 processing core (which it has like... hundreds)....it would have better specs than your current whole computer
#2480 [22:38] <ColonelSlur> Hahah, yes my computer is very bad.
#2481 [22:38] <ColonelSlur> 2003 If I recall correctly.
#2482 [22:38] <sic> uh
#2483 [22:39] <sic> Micro ATX, interesting choice
#2484 [22:39] <ColonelSlur> I am als a grahics producer which is very hard to do on this build
#2485 [22:39] <xales> yeah..what sic said
#2486 [22:39] <xales> Micro ATX?
#2487 [22:39] <Kealper> meh, nothing to be embarased about though, i was using a 700mhz laptop with 256mb of ram up until a few months ago as my secondary computer :P
#2488 [22:39] <sic> especially since you're buying an ATX tower
#2489 [22:39] <Kealper> mine is a micro atx in a full atx town :/
#2490 [22:39] <ColonelSlur> sic, my friend compiled this for me.
#2491 [22:40] <Kealper> twoer*
#2492 [22:40] <Kealper> screw it
#2493 [22:40] <ColonelSlur> I wil lgive him an updated price of around 700 dollars
#2494 [22:40] <ColonelSlur> And hoepe it works
#2495 [22:40] <GreyVulpine> By the way..
#2496 [22:40] <GreyVulpine> That mobo
#2497 [22:40] <GreyVulpine> Onboard LAN
#2498 [22:40] <GreyVulpine> LAN Chipset
#2499 [22:40] <GreyVulpine> Atheros AR8131M
#2500 [22:40] <ColonelSlur> I have low knowledge on computers.
#2501 [22:40] <Kealper> i say it's best to splurge on a case, makes it available for use if you upgrade the mobo
#2502 [22:41] <GreyVulpine> Just as a fair warning, you will have problems with an Atheros chipset network card on that mobo when trying to play minecraft
#2503 [22:41] <Kealper> GreyVulpine: not all Atheros chipsets are bad, a friend of mine has an Atheros chipset and he can play mc fine
#2504 [22:41] <ColonelSlur> Mobo? Splurge? I am lost, as said, I have little knowledge.
#2505 [22:41] <GreyVulpine> mobo = motherboard
#2506 [22:41] <GreyVulpine> splurge, opposite of thirfty
#2507 [22:42] <ColonelSlur> Thirfty?
#2508 [22:42] <Chr|s> well got small server on servercraft.co
#2509 [22:42] <GreyVulpine> With the amount of people that pass through here with atheros problems...
#2510 [22:42] <Chr|s> see how good it works
#2511 [22:42] <Kealper> splurge = get more than what you need
#2512 [22:42] <Zoroark> surge + ??
#2513 [22:43] <Chr|s> splurge = Going all out getting what you want
#2514 [22:43] <Chr|s> :D
#2515 [22:43] <Chr|s> basically same thing
#2516 [22:43] <Chr|s> Going all out getting what you want, not necessarily what you need
#2517 [22:44] <Chr|s> Im bored, don't mind me
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#2519 [22:45] <xarcus> i need help i just joined and downloaded game and it says user not premuim
#2520 [22:45] <ColonelSlur> Ok, well I must be leaving now.
#2521 [22:45] <ColonelSlur> Thank you, everyone!
#2522 [22:45] <GreyVulpine> Have you bought minecraft xarcus?
#2523 [22:45] * Kealper waves
#2523 [22:45] <xarcus> yes
#2524 [22:45] <GreyVulpine> When?
#2525 [22:45] <ColonelSlur> Peace!
#2526 [22:45] <xarcus> maybe 20-10 minutes ago
#2527 [22:46] <GreyVulpine> It may take some time for the payment to process. Their system has been known to be a little slow
#2528 [22:46] <xarcus> oh ok
#2529 [22:46] <xarcus> i was thinking im going to have to buy again
#2530 [22:46] <GreyVulpine> As long as you have proof of payment, either through a bank statement, or a receipt, or a transaction ID... you can take it to mojang to get it straightened out
#2531 [22:47] <GreyVulpine> For now, give it a couple of hours.
#2532 [22:47] <xarcus> Ok. Thanks for your help. I'll just wait.
#2533 [22:48] <Kealper> fios :<
#2534 [22:48] <Kealper> bah, both had fios
#2535 [22:48] <GreyVulpine> Wish I could get fios..
#2536 [22:48] <Kealper> same
#2537 [22:48] <GreyVulpine> Dang michigan's just...
#2538 [22:48] <GreyVulpine> bah
#2539 [22:48] <Kealper> sucks? lol
#2540 [22:48] * VoxelHead is back
#2540 [22:48] <GreyVulpine> "sucks" doesn't begin to describe Michigan
#2541 [22:49] <Kealper> lol
#2542 [22:49] <GreyVulpine> Heard a number the other day, michigan lost like 10k people in 10 years.
#2543 [22:49] <Kealper> that's all? lol
#2544 [22:49] * xales had family in Ann Arbor. They moved to Arizona.
#2544 [22:50] <Kealper> Detroit is in danger of losing it's casinos
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#2546 [22:50] <Kealper> because it can only have them if it's population drops below 800k people
#2547 [22:51] <GreyVulpine> I think I'm losing an order of magnitude there
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#2549 [22:51] <Zoroark> Kealper = xales
#2550 [22:51] <Zoroark> /gasp
#2551 [22:51] <Kealper> wut
#2552 [22:51] <Kealper> xales: everyone thinks i'm you ;_;
#2553 [22:51] <Zoroark> :o
#2554 [22:51] <Zoroark> on that matter
#2555 [22:51] <VoxelHead> ARRRRGH!
#2556 [22:51] <xales> Kealper: but you are :3
#2557 [22:51] <Zoroark> VoxelHead = DopeGhoti
#2558 [22:51] <Kealper> :O
#2559 [22:51] <VoxelHead> shocking
#2560 [22:51] <Zoroark> :o
#2561 [22:51] <VoxelHead> so, like, sufferin' succatash!
#2562 [22:51] <xales> LOL
#2563 [22:51] <Zoroark> :o
#2564 [22:52] <VoxelHead> Well slap my knuckle and call me VoxelHead.
#2565 [22:52] <Zoroark> That must mean
#2566 [22:52] <Zoroark> GreyBot = GreyVulpine!
#2567 [22:52] <Zoroark> :O
#2568 [22:52] <VoxelHead> crikey
#2569 [22:52] <Chr|s> eek!
#2570 [22:52] <VoxelHead> Wheeee eek.
#2571 [22:52] <GreyVulpine> Ah
#2572 [22:52] <GreyVulpine> "Michigan is the only state that lost population since 2000, losing nearly 55,000 people to fall to about 9.88 million residents. The new information will be used to redraw congressional and legislative boundaries. "
#2573 [22:52] <Zoroark> nah AuBot couldn't be Kealper
#2574 [22:52] <GreyVulpine> Go michigan!
#2575 [22:53] <Kealper> \o/
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#2577 [22:53] <joe> herro?
#2578 [22:53] <xales> Hi
#2579 [22:53] <joe> hi!
#2580 [22:53] <joe> <3 MC
#2581 [22:54] <juju2143> hi
#2582 [22:54] <joe> pero i can't find good servers.
#2583 [22:54] <joe> juju......that's what i call my sister
#2584 [22:54] <joe> ,.<
#2585 [22:54] <joe> >.<
#2586 [22:54] <joe> anyone have suggestions for finding good small communities slash private servers?
#2587 [22:54] <joe> i keep getting grief
#2588 [22:55] <joe> (-ed)
#2589 [22:55] <Kealper> uhh....you could try http://mcserverlist.net but those are all public servers...so...
#2590 [22:56] <joe> not what i'm looking for lol
#2591 [22:56] <Kealper> what you seek is not an easy teasure to find :o
#2592 [22:56] <GreyVulpine> Kinda.. the point of a private server is that it's hard to find from the public side
#2593 [22:56] <joe> yeah.
#2594 [22:56] <GreyVulpine> So, unless you've got a friend who's willing to start one up.. or yourself.
#2595 [22:57] <Kealper> you could ask around in #smp
#2596 [22:57] <Kealper> but that place is usually deader than a doornail now
#2597 [22:57] <GreyVulpine> Hah, yeah
#2598 [22:57] <Kealper> so, it could take a while to get a response :<
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#2601 [23:01] <shelby> has anyone ever had the problem of not ever being able to login when using mineceraft on linux
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#2603 [23:01] <GreyVulpine> Only when the login server is overloaded/down
#2604 [23:01] <GreyVulpine> And it looks fine right now.
#2605 [23:01] <shelby> well i dont think the login server has been down 24/7 for two months
#2606 [23:01] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, nope
#2607 [23:02] <shelby> yeah i think its on my end
#2608 [23:02] <shelby> but im not sure
#2609 [23:02] <xales> what, exactly, is the problem?
#2610 [23:02] <shelby> i never had that problem before a couple months ago
#2611 [23:02] <xales> what happens when you try to login?
#2612 [23:02] <shelby> it just says login failed
#2613 [23:02] <xales> then your username/password is wrong
#2614 [23:02] <shelby> okay let me try re entering them
#2615 [23:03] <shelby> is there a way to recover my password if i forgot it
#2616 [23:03] <GreyVulpine> Then http://www.minecraft.net/forgotpass.jsp
#2617 [23:04] <shelby> ethank you GreyVulpine you are very helpful
#2618 [23:04] <Kealper> http://kdotjack9.imgur.com/3monthsofworkandihavecompletedmyfirstlargeproject :O
#2619 [23:05] <xales> Kealper
#2620 [23:05] <xales> I want that
#2621 [23:05] <xales> give it to me immediately
#2622 [23:05] <xales> :|
#2623 [23:05] <Kealper> reddit :/
#2624 [23:05] * GreyVulpine blinks
#2624 [23:05] <shelby> i reset it to something else and it still says login failed
#2625 [23:06] <Kealper> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VEnw5NlF0Q :OOOOOOOOOOO
#2626 [23:06] <Kealper> that needs to be in multiplayer lol
#2627 [23:06] <GreyVulpine> That almost trumps helm's deep in minecraft
#2628 [23:06] <GreyVulpine> almost.
#2629 [23:06] <xales> shelby: Open Terminal and run this command, then copy the output to pastebin
#2630 [23:06] <xales> `cat /etc/hosts`
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#2632 [23:07] <GreyVulpine> Oh, that's cool
#2633 [23:07] <GreyVulpine> I want that
#2634 [23:07] <shelby> http://pastebin.com/qMyaHugq
#2635 [23:07] <xales> shelby: are you using the new laucher?
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#2637 [23:16] <shelby> yeah
#2638 [23:17] <shelby> when it didnt work i redownloaded it
#2639 [23:17] <shelby> i tried the new one and the old one
#2640 [23:17] <xales> Try deleting the `lastlogin` file in .minecraft
#2641 [23:17] <GreyVulpine> Try deleting ~/.minecraft/bin?
#2642 [23:17] <GreyVulpine> And that
#2643 [23:20] <shelby> will do
#2644 [23:21] <shelby> still says login failed, and theres no play offline option, let me re dl the client
#2645 [23:22] <GreyVulpine> Something blocking a connection to minecraft.net then
#2646 [23:22] <shelby> nope
#2647 [23:22] <shelby> alright
#2648 [23:23] <shelby> what port does the connection go through on?
#2649 [23:23] <shelby> https is 80 right?
#2650 [23:23] <Jerub> https is 443
#2651 [23:23] <xENO_> HTTP is 80, HTTPS is 443
#2652 [23:24] <xENO_> Minecraft is some crazy high number.
#2653 [23:24] <xales> 25565
#2654 [23:24] <xENO_> Right, that.
#2655 [23:24] <shelby> i know minecrafts port
#2656 [23:24] <shelby> but to cause the error that im getting it should be an error on 443 right
#2657 [23:24] <shelby> because it dosent auth on 25565
#2658 [23:24] <shelby> correct?
#2659 [23:25] <xENO_> Hm.
#2660 [23:25] <shelby> and i dont know what would cause that since i dont block 443
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#2665 [23:39] <Derangedyeti> Hey everyone what VPS providers do you recommend with Xen hosting, with a limit of 30 dollars.
#2666 [23:39] <Derangedyeti> Obviously we wont be hosting more than 10 people to begin with.
#2667 [23:44] <GreyVulpine> Well, the AG crew here's been pretty good at service
#2668 [23:46] <Derangedyeti> allgamer?
#2669 [23:47] * xolotl [xolotl@notlogged] has joined ##MineCraftHelp
#2670 [23:48] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#2671 [23:50] <Derangedyeti> Can I upgrade past 2gb RAM?
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#2673 [23:50] <Derangedyeti> I see at the bottom 64mb is $2.50
#2674 [23:50] <AG_Scott> Yes.
#2675 [23:50] <AG_Scott> Ignore that ;p
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#2677 [23:51] <Derangedyeti> So how much would 3gb RAM be
#2678 [23:51] <Derangedyeti> Once we get there.
#2679 [23:51] <AG_Scott> $89.99
#2680 [23:53] <Derangedyeti> Thanks! We are close to buying, and we like how available you guys are.
#2681 [23:53] <Derangedyeti> Prices are reasonable compared to Linode etc.
#2682 [23:53] <Derangedyeti> And better than chunk host.
#2683 [23:53] <AG_Scott> Yeah. Linode's panel is awesome though.
#2684 [23:54] <Derangedyeti> True. So is yours unmanaged or would you guys be nice and install kloxo, phpmyadmin, and etc. Or would I have to do that myself.
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#2686 [23:54] <AG_Scott> You would have to do that.
#2687 [23:54] <Derangedyeti> Okay.
#2688 [23:54] <AG_Scott> Is kloxo even sure?
#2689 [23:54] <AG_Scott> secure*
#2690 [23:54] <Derangedyeti> Lol kinda.
#2691 [23:54] <AG_Scott> Last I heard it was full of exploits
#2692 [23:55] <Derangedyeti> Yeh. What is your default panel or isnt there one.
#2693 [23:55] <Derangedyeti> CPanel?
#2694 [23:55] <AG_Scott> For webhosting?
#2695 [23:55] <xales> Those panels are all :<
#2696 [23:55] <AG_Scott> They all pretty much suck.
#2697 [23:55] * xales suggests learning to do it right and not wasting money and time on shitty panels
#2697 [23:55] <AG_Scott> By default, we don't have one.
#2698 [23:55] <Derangedyeti> Okay.
#2699 [23:56] <GreyVulpine> Wait.. what was I using?
#2700 [23:56] <Derangedyeti> Just Putty then, thats fine with me. HazeNet had Cpanel but it really wasnt useful for anything.
#2701 [23:56] <AG_Scott> GreyVulpine, that's totally different
#2702 [23:56] <GreyVulpine> Was that just a test, and not live AG_Scott?
#2703 [23:56] <AG_Scott> That was the game platform.
#2704 [23:56] <AG_Scott> He wants a VPS
#2705 [23:56] <Derangedyeti> But Hazenet did install PHPmyadmin for me :D
#2706 [23:56] <GreyVulpine> Ah, okay
#2707 [23:56] <GreyVulpine> Gotcha
#2708 [23:57] <AG_Scott> PHPMyAdmin is bleh
#2709 [23:57] <Derangedyeti> How else am I going to edit MySQL lol
#2710 [23:57] <AG_Scott> There's plenty of MySQL GUI's that can tunnel like heidisql.com
#2711 [23:57] <Derangedyeti> I dont know how to set that up unlike PHPmyadmin..
#2712 [23:58] <xales> or mysqladmin
#2713 [23:58] <xales> derp
#2714 [23:58] <AG_Scott> You just install it on your computer and connect.
#2715 [23:58] <AG_Scott> Easy as that lol
#2716 [23:58] <Derangedyeti> Oh haha.
#2717 [23:58] <VoxelHead> stupid silent glue boy
#2718 [23:58] <Derangedyeti> How come someone didnt tell me that before.
#2719 [23:59] <Derangedyeti> I took 5 hrs figuring our MYSQL
#2720 [23:59] <AG_Scott> lol