#1 [00:02] * lucssi [lucssi@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#2 [00:07] <dopeghoti> mitpatterson, xales: care to be more specific?
#3 [00:07] <mitpatterson> hes away, and won't respong
#4 [00:07] <mitpatterson> respond
#5 [00:07] <xales> It's not actually broken
#6 [00:07] <xales> it just doesn't unset when I tell it to
#7 [00:08] <xales> >:|
#8 [00:08] <dopeghoti> doesn't unset what exactly?
#9 [00:09] <VoxelHead> someone, in trying to fix me, lobotomized me. Someone's name might start with 'x' and rhyme with whales. Back in a sec
#10 [00:09] <xales> being away
#11 [00:09] * VoxelHead [VoxelHead@notlogged] has left #minecrafthelp
#12 [00:09] <mitpatterson> lol
#13 [00:09] <xales> nice work
#14 [00:09] <xales> ._.
#15 [00:09] <mitpatterson> lmao
#16 [00:09] <xales> 00:08:49 <VoxelHead> [21:10] * CONFIG FILE NOT LOADED (NOT FOUND, OR ERROR)
#17 [00:09] <xales> 00:08:49 -!- Irssi: Closing query with =VoxelHead
#18 [00:09] <mitpatterson> so....was that a manual message? or what?
#19 [00:09] <xales> |:
#20 [00:09] <xales> that was it being stupid
#21 [00:10] <xales> oh
#22 [00:10] <xales> no, it wasn't
#23 [00:10] <mitpatterson> so how does it come up with these messages "the someone is trying...."
#24 [00:10] <xales> most of it is just some chatterbot-type stuff (markov chains, I think?)
#25 [00:11] * VoxelHead [VoxelHead@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#26 [00:11] <xales> some of it is initiated by command (like courtmartial, etc)
#27 [00:11] <mitpatterson> vox courtmartial xabo
#28 [00:11] <mitpatterson> vox courtmartial xale
#29 [00:11] * dopeghoti forgot to checkout the non-sql branch of a script before starting
#29 [00:11] <mitpatterson> vox courtmartial xales
#30 [00:11] <mitpatterson> grrr
#31 [00:11] * VoxelHead throws xabo in the brig to await charges
#31 [00:11] <VoxelHead> I'm sorry Sir, I already have someone in the brig - please try again later, or empty the Recycle Bin.
#32 [00:11] <VoxelHead> I'm sorry Sir, I already have someone in the brig - please try again later, or empty the Recycle Bin.
#33 [00:12] <mitpatterson> lol
#34 [00:12] <xales> wat
#35 [00:12] <VoxelHead> xabo, you are charged with having sex on the USS Enterspace, and gross incompetence
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#37 [00:12] <mitpatterson> vox empty the brig
#38 [00:12] <VoxelHead> You have been "found" guilty, and are sentenced to carry out a level 1 "diagonstic" single handed. And may God have mercy on your soul.
#39 [00:12] <xales> VoxelHead: eat mitpatterson
#40 [00:12] <mitpatterson> vox empty the recyclebin
#41 [00:12] * VoxelHead eats mitpatterson
#41 [00:12] <mitpatterson> lol
#42 [00:12] <mitpatterson> VoxelHead, empty the recyclebin
#43 [00:12] <xales> VoxelHead: you are stupid
#44 [00:12] <xales> VoxelHead: you are a stupid bot
#45 [00:12] <mitpatterson> VoxelHead, empty the recyclebin
#46 [00:12] <VoxelHead> I may be stupid, but you're minging, and I can learn new things :)
#47 [00:13] <mitpatterson> lol
#48 [00:13] <xales> :|
#49 [00:13] <xales> VoxelHead: you are a stupid bot
#50 [00:13] <VoxelHead> Silence!
#51 [00:13] <mitpatterson> vox thow xales in the brig
#52 [00:13] <mitpatterson> vox courtmartial xales
#53 [00:13] * VoxelHead throws xales in the brig to await charges
#53 [00:13] <xales> dopeghoti: what? 00:12:40 <VoxelHead> [21:14] joined #minecraft but didn't want to!
#54 [00:13] <mitpatterson> lol
#55 [00:13] <stephen761> sorry I am a newbee, I need t ask a few questions about mind craft if anyone is willing to take the little time to help I would be grateful?
#56 [00:14] <xales> stephen761: just go ahead and ask
#57 [00:14] <VoxelHead> xales, you are charged with phase-shifting a class M planet, and doing warp 5 in 3 zone
#58 [00:14] <VoxelHead> You have been found guilty, and are sentenced to polish Captain Picard's head. And may God have mercy on your soul.
#59 [00:14] <Espeon> Voxel, decloak!
#60 [00:14] <mitpatterson> lol vox
#61 [00:14] <stephen761> ok thanks
#62 [00:14] <dopeghoti> xales: that's the redirect from #[bleep]
#63 [00:14] <xales> ah
#64 [00:14] <mitpatterson> vox eat xales
#65 [00:14] <Espeon> eh
#66 [00:14] <VoxelHead> *eats xales*
#67 [00:14] <xales> I swear it was set +I
#68 [00:14] <mitpatterson> lol
#69 [00:14] <xales> let me fix it
#70 [00:14] <Espeon> Vox, cloak.
#71 [00:14] <mitpatterson> vox decloak
#72 [00:14] <stephen761> does any one now how a "dispencer" works or how to make it work?
#73 [00:14] <Espeon> VoxelHead cloak
#74 [00:14] <VoxelHead> basically, Already decloaked, sir
#75 [00:14] * VoxelHead shimmers and disappears from view...
#75 [00:14] <mitpatterson> vox decloak
#76 [00:15] * VoxelHead shifts back into view
#76 [00:15] <mitpatterson> lol
#77 [00:15] <Espeon> VoxelHead, cloak for 24 hours
#78 [00:15] <xales> stephen761: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Dispenser
#79 [00:15] <mitpatterson> Espeon, noooo
#80 [00:15] <stephen761> thanks
#81 [00:15] <mitpatterson> VoxelHead, do not cloack
#82 [00:15] <mitpatterson> VoxelHead, do not cloak
#83 [00:15] <Bob_Sack> vox, courtmartial himself
#84 [00:15] <VoxelHead> Who?
#85 [00:15] <Espeon> VoxelHead, fire everything at mitpatterson
#86 [00:15] <mitpatterson> lol
#87 [00:15] <mitpatterson> no
#88 [00:15] * VoxelHead swoops in on mitpatterson
#88 [00:15] * VoxelHead opens the cargo hold and ejects some plastic drums at mitpatterson
#88 [00:16] <mitpatterson> lmao
#89 [00:16] <xales> VoxelHead: go down on mitpatterson
#90 [00:16] <mitpatterson> lol
#91 [00:16] * xales wonders if that got disabled
#91 [00:16] <mitpatterson> this can only end badly
#92 [00:16] <xales> it would seem so
#93 [00:16] <Bob_Sack> vox, courtmartial Bob_Sack
#94 [00:16] * VoxelHead throws Bob_sack in the brig to await charges
#94 [00:16] <Bob_Sack> hot
#95 [00:16] <VoxelHead> Night.
#96 [00:16] <VoxelHead> *hugs*
#97 [00:16] <Bob_Sack> vox, do naughty things to me
#98 [00:16] <xales> haha
#99 [00:16] <xales> it fell asleep with you in the brig
#100 [00:17] <Bob_Sack> lool
#101 [00:17] <VoxelHead> Bob_sack, you are charged with exploding the USS Enterspace, and improper use of the Crystalline Entity(tm)
#102 [00:17] <VoxelHead> So, like, You have been found innocent, have a nice day.
#103 [00:17] <Espeon> VoxelHead, give mitpatterson a knuckle sandwich
#104 [00:17] <xales> or not
#105 [00:17] <VoxelHead> loooooool
#106 [00:17] * VoxelHead gives mitpatterson a knuckle sandwich
#106 [00:17] <mitpatterson> vox courtmartial VoxelHead
#107 [00:17] <VoxelHead> Duh.
#108 [00:17] <mitpatterson> lol
#109 [00:17] <dopeghoti> VoxelHead: make mitpatterson a sandwich
#110 [00:17] * VoxelHead lovingly crafts a sandwich out of server for mitpatterson
#110 [00:17] <mitpatterson> sweet
#111 [00:17] <Bob_Sack> lmao
#112 [00:17] <xales> out of server?
#113 [00:17] <stephen761> xales thank you very much.
#114 [00:18] <mitpatterson> VoxelHead, give mitpatterson the whole server
#115 [00:18] <dopeghoti> seems 'server' is a common noun 'round these parts. whodathunk
#116 [00:18] <mitpatterson> i want the whole server, not just a sandwitch made out of it VoxelHead
#117 [00:18] <dopeghoti> mitpatterson: make mitpatterson a working server
#118 [00:18] <dopeghoti> er
#119 [00:18] <mitpatterson> lol
#120 [00:19] <dopeghoti> Vox,make mitpatterson a working server
#121 [00:19] <VoxelHead> that's the most sensible thing i've heard all day. now let's go sniff some butt
#122 [00:19] <dopeghoti> Vox, make mitpatterson a working server now
#123 [00:19] * VoxelHead replicates a working server now and hands it to mitpatterson
#123 [00:19] <mitpatterson> lmoa(about the sniff some butt)
#124 [00:19] <xales> VoxelHead: I'm Miclee
#125 [00:19] <mitpatterson> VoxelHead, i can't find it, where is it
#126 [00:19] <xales> D:<
#127 [00:19] <dopeghoti> VoxelHead: is part German Shepherd
#128 [00:19] <mitpatterson> is miclee a trigger for voxa?
#129 [00:19] <xales> nope
#130 [00:20] <xales> Miclee is a person
#131 [00:20] <dopeghoti> or so it would have us believe
#132 [00:20] <Miclee> Miclee isn't a person.
#133 [00:20] <Miclee> Miclee is a pigman.
#134 [00:20] <Miclee> xales, l2Miclee
#135 [00:20] <xales> it will infrequently say something like this when you say "I'm (x)"
#136 [00:20] <xales> [xales@stratos espernet]$ cat *minecrafthelp* | grep nipples
#137 [00:20] <xales> 17:42:10<@VoxelHead> YOU'RE back? feel these nipples!
#138 [00:20] <xales> 17:46:29<@VoxelHead> YOU'RE talking? feel these nipples!
#139 [00:20] <xales> 14:37:38<@VoxelHead> YOU'RE underage? feel these nipples!
#140 [00:20] * dopeghoti is content with asserting that Miclee is.
#140 [00:21] <Bob_Sack> vox, i'm underage
#141 [00:21] <xales> I'm back
#142 [00:21] <mitpatterson> dopeghoti, what are you running vox on?(like OS and software)
#143 [00:21] <VoxelHead> YOU'RE back? feel these nipples!
#144 [00:21] <Bob_Sack> no fair
#145 [00:21] <mitpatterson> lol
#146 [00:21] <Bob_Sack> I'm underage
#147 [00:21] <dopeghoti> mitpatterson: ubuntu
#148 [00:21] <xales> Miclee: 00:21:06 <VoxelHead> Hey xales! My name is VoxelHead and I am running eggdrop v1.6.19+SSL, on Linux 2.6.31-22-generic-pae.
#149 [00:21] <VoxelHead> YOU'RE underage? feel these nipples!
#150 [00:21] <dopeghoti> Voxel, are you okay?
#151 [00:21] <VoxelHead> yes
#152 [00:21] * Bob_Sack feels vox's nipples
#152 [00:21] <VoxelHead> wait! i mean no
#153 [00:21] * VoxelHead feels Bob_Sack back with some of
#153 [00:22] <xales> err
#154 [00:22] <xales> mitpatterson:
#155 [00:22] <xales> :|
#156 [00:22] <mitpatterson> lol
#157 [00:22] <mitpatterson> FAIL
#158 [00:22] <mitpatterson> vox courtmartial xsales
#159 [00:22] <VoxelHead> Who?
#160 [00:22] <xales> too bad Miclee disconnected already ._.
#161 [00:22] <mitpatterson> vox courtmartial xabo
#162 [00:22] * VoxelHead throws xabo in the brig to await charges
#162 [00:22] <mitpatterson> vox courtmartial xal
#163 [00:22] <mitpatterson> vox courtmartial xales
#164 [00:22] <VoxelHead> I'm sorry Sir, I already have someone in the brig - please try again later, or empty the Recycle Bin.
#165 [00:22] <VoxelHead> I'm sorry Sir, I already have someone in the brig - please try again later, or empty the Recycle Bin.
#166 [00:22] <mitpatterson> VoxelHead, how do i empty your Recyle Bin
#167 [00:23] <VoxelHead> xabo, you are charged with exploding Deep Space 9, and writing a character development episode
#168 [00:23] <Bob_Sack> vox, i'd empty your recycle bin any day
#169 [00:23] <VoxelHead> You have been found guilty, and are sentenced to find Geordi a date. And may God have mercy on your soul.
#170 [00:23] <mitpatterson> vox courtmartial xales
#171 [00:23] <VoxelHead> *throws xales in the brig to await charges*
#172 [00:23] <VoxelHead> Whoops... I forgot xales was in the brig
#173 [00:23] * VoxelHead sweeps corpse under the rug
#173 [00:23] <mitpatterson> lol, that is great
#174 [00:23] <xales> what
#175 [00:23] <dopeghoti> man, xales
#176 [00:23] <mitpatterson> lmao
#177 [00:23] <dopeghoti> Vox has it in for you
#178 [00:23] <Bob_Sack> vox, courtmartial Bob_Sack
#179 [00:23] * VoxelHead throws Bob_sack in the brig to await charges
#179 [00:24] <mitpatterson> murderous robot
#180 [00:24] <mitpatterson> err software
#181 [00:24] <dopeghoti> that's what you get for having it administar court-martials when it's half-asleep
#182 [00:24] <dopeghoti> voxel, are you okay?
#183 [00:24] <VoxelHead> Bob_Sack, you are charged with improper conduct with Lt Cmdr Tuvok, and attempting to replicate Deputy Wall Licker 97th Class Splock.
#184 [00:24] <mitpatterson> lol
#185 [00:24] <VoxelHead> You have been found innocent, have a nice day.
#186 [00:24] <VoxelHead> yes and i wont stop till my mouth wears out!
#187 [00:25] <mitpatterson> dopeghoti, can i get a copy of the crap you have running on vox? i want my own personal one of thses
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#189 [00:26] <Bob_Sack> vox, courtmartial dopeghoti
#190 [00:26] <dopeghoti> Oh dear.
#191 [00:26] <VoxelHead> dopeghoti, you are charged with existing, and attempting to replicate a PADD
#192 [00:26] <VoxelHead> You have been found innocent, have a nice day.
#193 [00:27] <Bob_Sack> weird, he skipped throwing u in the brig
#194 [00:27] <dopeghoti> I have found to not have been existing
#195 [00:27] * dopeghoti finds this troubling
#195 [00:28] <Bob_Sack> vox, hug dopeghoti
#196 [00:28] * dopeghoti is wating.
#196 [00:28] <Bob_Sack> slow bot it slow
#197 [00:29] * VoxelHead wonders who Bob_Sack is calling slow
#197 [00:33] <dopeghoti> vox, increase power to shields
#198 [00:33] <VoxelHead> shields to maximum%percent$*~£@%percent#%percent*%percent$£
#199 [00:33] <xales> what
#200 [00:33] <LG_Legacy> What
#201 [00:33] <LG_Legacy> Is it tendelou?
#202 [00:33] <xales> Vox, activate stupidbot detectors
#203 [00:33] <dopeghoti> so apparently that needs to be tweaked some
#204 [00:33] <VoxelHead> Stupidbot levels of 52 percent detected.
#205 [00:33] <xales> only 52%, VoxelHead?
#206 [00:33] <VoxelHead> that's quite a lot
#207 [00:34] <xales> No, it really isn't
#208 [00:34] <mitpatterson> night folks (and vox)
#209 [00:34] <aetherian> oh hey
#210 [00:34] <aetherian> vox is back
#211 [00:34] <aetherian> I've been meaning to courtmartial xales...
#212 [00:35] <mitpatterson> i already did
#213 [00:35] <mitpatterson> but feel free to do it again
#214 [00:35] <xales> Vox, courtmartial aetherian
#215 [00:35] * VoxelHead throws aetherian in the brig to await charges but it's nothing sexual
#215 [00:35] <aetherian> haha
#216 [00:35] <Bob_Sack> lmao
#217 [00:35] <aetherian> you fixed it :D
#218 [00:35] <mitpatterson> aetherian, last time, vox forgot xales in the brig, had to sweet his body under the rug
#219 [00:35] <VoxelHead> Aetherian, you are charged with misuse of several female Maquis crewmembers, and having sex on the holodeck.
#220 [00:35] <VoxelHead> You have been found innocent, have a nice day.
#221 [00:36] <aetherian> I'm innocent!
#222 [00:36] <aetherian> (sadly)
#223 [00:36] <xales> I guess everyone must be very guilty then
#224 [00:36] <xales> if having sex on the holodeck is acrime
#225 [00:36] <xales> :|
#226 [00:36] * aetherian is eating an asiago or whatever bagel
#226 [00:36] <xales> VoxelHead: Eat aetherian's asiago or whatever bagel
#227 [00:36] <dopeghoti> mmm, cheese
#228 [00:36] * VoxelHead eats aetherian's asiago or whatever bagel
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#229 [00:36] <VoxelHead> Mmmmm... recursive.
#230 [00:37] <xales> lol
#231 [00:37] <mitpatterson> lol
#232 [00:37] <aetherian> he only took half, thank god
#233 [00:37] <aetherian> and I have over a dozen left
#234 [00:37] <xales> VoxelHead: Eat ALL of aetherian's asiago or whatever bagels
#235 [00:37] * VoxelHead eats ALL of aetherian's asiago or whatever bagels
#235 [00:37] <VoxelHead> Mmmmm... recursive.
#236 [00:37] <aetherian> he eats my whatever bagels
#237 [00:37] <aetherian> the everything bagels
#238 [00:37] <aetherian> I hate those
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#240 [00:38] <hoppykill> QUESTION!
#241 [00:38] <aetherian> hello hoppykill
#242 [00:38] <hoppykill> hi
#243 [00:38] <aetherian> how may we assist you
#244 [00:38] <hoppykill> ok so i was wondering how to add in currency while hosting a server on classic?
#245 [00:38] <aetherian> you need some mod or whatever for that
#246 [00:38] <LG_Legacy> Currency?
#247 [00:38] <LG_Legacy> In classic? Lol
#248 [00:39] <hoppykill> yeah im using mclawl
#249 [00:39] <xales> We can't help at all with that, sadly. You're on your own with completely custom software. I don't think currency mods exist for Classic, though...
#250 [00:39] <LG_Legacy> I'm not up to date with classic.
#251 [00:39] <hoppykill> ok
#252 [00:39] * hoppykill [hoppykill@notlogged] has left #minecrafthelp
#253 [00:39] <xales> LG_Legacy: mclawl = custom server
#254 [00:39] <LG_Legacy> Again
#255 [00:39] <LG_Legacy> Classic
#256 [00:39] <xales> indeed
#257 [00:40] <LG_Legacy> XaleS: I quit Mc, remember?
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#260 [00:40] <dopeghoti> VoxelHead, I choose you!
#261 [00:40] <WayneL> Hi
#262 [00:40] <LG_Legacy> dopeghoti: Make sure it's just the tendelou the next time you get contacted.
#263 [00:40] <dopeghoti> come again?
#264 [00:41] <LoRDTrevor> say heya
#265 [00:41] <dopeghoti> say 'say' isn't necessary on IRC
#266 [00:41] <LoRDTrevor> >.<
#267 [00:41] <xales> say 'say' is, dopeghoti
#268 [00:41] <LoRDTrevor> was just on my consolw
#269 [00:42] <LoRDTrevor> lol
#270 [00:42] <dopeghoti> I do that all the time (:
#271 [00:42] <aetherian> /say say
#272 [00:42] <aetherian> and wait
#273 [00:42] <aetherian> lg, you quit minecraft?
#274 [00:42] <aetherian> how?
#275 [00:42] <LG_Legacy> i just did.
#276 [00:42] <LG_Legacy> I don't play it anymore, nor do i keep up to date with alot of things.
#277 [00:42] <LG_Legacy> Theres better things for me to do.
#278 [00:43] <LG_Legacy> all i'm here for now is channel moderation.
#279 [00:43] <LoRDTrevor> like minecraft irc?
#280 [00:43] <aetherian> 'tis true that I talk here more often than I play it
#281 [00:44] <LG_Legacy> Pretty much
#282 [00:44] <LoRDTrevor> same for me but only because i have irc on my phone
#283 [00:44] <LG_Legacy> All i do is scan the channels
#284 [00:44] <LoRDTrevor> only reason
#285 [00:47] * xales sets fire to VoxelHead
#285 [00:47] <VoxelHead> *!~^^£!#
#286 [00:47] <LoRDTrevor> VoxelHead: how do i forward a port?
#287 [00:47] <LoRDTrevor> VoxelHead: how do i forward a port?
#288 [00:47] <VoxelHead> Climb on top and try again.
#289 [00:47] <VoxelHead> Pull harder.
#290 [00:47] <xales> lol
#291 [00:48] <LoRDTrevor> VoxelHead: how do i make a minecraft sever?
#292 [00:48] <VoxelHead> drugs. Gotta be drugs.
#293 [00:48] <Bob_Sack> lmao too true
#294 [00:48] <LoRDTrevor> VoxelHead: How do i play minecraft.
#295 [00:48] <LoRDTrevor> VoxelHead: How do i set up a user defined x session?
#296 [00:48] <VoxelHead> Magic.
#297 [00:49] <LoRDTrevor> that cannot be a bot
#298 [00:49] <LoRDTrevor> he helps noobs
#299 [00:49] <LoRDTrevor> but wont ever respond properly to me.
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#301 [00:54] <dopeghoti> VoxelHead: techsupport!
#302 [00:54] <dopeghoti> LoRDTrevor: it should respong do you
#303 [00:55] <dopeghoti> vox, make LoRDTrevor a proper reply
#304 [00:55] * VoxelHead lovingly crafts a proper reply out of example for LoRDTrevor
#304 [00:55] <LoRDTrevor> VoxelHead: How do I turn peacefull on?
#305 [00:55] <VoxelHead> try twisting
#306 [00:56] <WayneL> Hi
#307 [00:56] <dopeghoti> morning, WayneL
#308 [00:56] <Bob_Sack> VoxelHead: how do I shot web?
#309 [00:56] <VoxelHead> Industrial light and magic.
#310 [00:57] <WayneL> you yell random phrases and then push on a releaser on your palm with your middle and nameless finger while pointing the palm upwards and at the direction you want to shoot.
#311 [00:57] <VoxelHead> fingerless name
#312 [00:58] <LoRDTrevor> i have a question
#313 [00:58] <dopeghoti> we have answers
#314 [00:58] <Bob_Sack> VoxelHead: make LoRDTrevor an answer
#315 [00:58] * VoxelHead replicates an answer for LoRDTrevor
#315 [00:59] <Bob_Sack> voxelhead is so helpful
#316 [00:59] <dopeghoti> "That was easy"
#317 [01:00] <LoRDTrevor> VoxelHead: how many rules have you broken today?
#318 [01:00] <VoxelHead> 0
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#320 [01:00] <LoRDTrevor> see a legimate response
#321 [01:00] <dopeghoti> what are you looking for?
#322 [01:00] <LoRDTrevor> woah o_o
#323 [01:00] <dopeghoti> VoxelHead: how much do you want to follow the rules?
#324 [01:00] <LoRDTrevor> see a apple
#325 [01:00] <VoxelHead> too much
#326 [01:00] <LoRDTrevor> see a dog
#327 [01:00] <Bob_Sack> voxelhead: make Bob_Sack an op
#328 [01:00] <LoRDTrevor> see space
#329 [01:00] * VoxelHead lovingly crafts an op out of two for bob_sack
#329 [01:01] <dopeghoti> VoxelHead: what did you do to the ops?
#330 [01:01] <LoRDTrevor> see life the universe and everything
#331 [01:01] <WayneL> Anyways, I have that common OpenGL/Bad videocards problem.
#332 [01:01] <VoxelHead> I connected it =)
#333 [01:01] <dopeghoti> WayneL: what video card have you got?
#334 [01:01] <LoRDTrevor> ok now i can flood with voxel
#335 [01:01] <WayneL> I made a forum post of it to the last page of the massive 10page help topic, but that topic just gets shoved to the backpages and ignored.
#336 [01:01] <LoRDTrevor> and i know hes a bot
#337 [01:01] <LoRDTrevor> see brains
#338 [01:02] <dopeghoti> LoRDTrevor: what flood? there's no flooding going on.
#339 [01:02] <LoRDTrevor> see keyword index
#340 [01:02] <LoRDTrevor> you cant see his response?
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#342 [01:02] <LoRDTrevor> see me
#343 [01:03] <dopeghoti> No, because you're consulting FAQ entries that do not exist.
#344 [01:03] <LoRDTrevor> ahh
#345 [01:03] <LoRDTrevor> see voxelhead
#346 [01:03] <LoRDTrevor> see index
#347 [01:04] <WayneL> I got no time to try fix this and that here.. Could someone reply on the forum?
#348 [01:04] <LoRDTrevor> see attitude
#349 [01:04] <LoRDTrevor> see version
#350 [01:05] <dopeghoti> if and when I have time to hop onto the fora, I may, WayneL
#351 [01:05] <WayneL> I appreciate it. It's uhm.. here? -> http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=39953&start=270
#352 [01:08] <WayneL> Did this chat die?
#353 [01:08] <dopeghoti> it happens
#354 [01:09] <WayneL> Dead chats mean chat funerals with crying widow chats and command salutes and so sad.. :(
#355 [01:10] <WayneL> So many smilies.. un smily.
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#360 [01:26] <aetherian> dew de da doo
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#364 [01:42] <Phenex> Is anyone alive in here?
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#380 [02:23] <JayJay> Is there a IRC that helps people installing mods to MC single player?
#381 [02:24] <xales> You could try the channel #risucraft
#382 [02:24] <JayJay> Okay thanks.
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#385 [02:29] <TheBix> HEY GUYS
#386 [02:29] <TheBix> I need help with redstone
#387 [02:29] <TheBix> need to make a circuit that will pulse a power of 2 when an input goes high.
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#389 [02:30] <TheBix> don't want to use counters btw
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#391 [02:34] <TheBix> if I do need too use a counter
#392 [02:34] <TheBix> how do I reset it?
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#395 [02:41] <TheBix> anyone?
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#397 [02:44] <Phenex> hello
#398 [02:45] <Phenex> I can't help you
#399 [02:46] <mib_4g1mas> hello Phenex, Ok no help from you. :>) I am running Linux and try to debug why minecraft dies, when clicking single player button
#400 [02:46] <xales> mib_4g1mas: what distro?
#401 [02:46] <aetherian> back
#402 [02:46] <xales> Ubuntu?
#403 [02:47] <mib_4g1mas> LinuxMint8 and LinuxMint9 I have downloaded Java SDK so I can run jdb to get more details from crash
#404 [02:47] <mib_4g1mas> LinuxMint8 Helena is the same as Ubuntu 9.04 I believe
#405 [02:47] <xales> Can you pastebin the crash details? (http://pastebin.com/)
#406 [02:47] <mib_4g1mas> or similiar sure
#407 [02:48] <TheBix> run it in terminal
#408 [02:48] <TheBix> and pastebin that
#409 [02:49] <mib_4g1mas> http://pastebin.com/Z3DYurUA
#410 [02:50] <mib_4g1mas> I have a programmer background, and want to run jdb or jswat to detail where the crash happens. my son Connor is trying to play this game
#411 [02:51] <mib_4g1mas> you have an idea how to debug this jar file minecraft.jar ?? here is startup line java -Xmx924M -Xms450M -cp ./minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame
#412 [02:51] <xales> It's not something that can be run in a debugger
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#414 [02:52] <xales> that's a very interesting error, though
#415 [02:52] <mib_4g1mas> tried to reduce the ammount of memory startup size. Yes, I know that we don't have source code for "running in a debugger"
#416 [02:52] <xales> actually
#417 [02:53] <xales> can you run `sudo lshw` and pastebin the output of that?
#418 [02:54] <mib_4g1mas> Is it a video card driver. I have an ATI Radeon R200 my son a M450 Matrox video card. Lshw result in a second. I have low ram size and low disk. So these two items might cause errors. 512MB dram on this macchine
#419 [02:54] <xales> ah, yes, that would be the issue then
#420 [02:54] <xales> 512 is nowhere near enough, and I seriously doubt it would run on that graphics card
#421 [02:55] <aetherian> well
#422 [02:55] <aetherian> 512MB ram can be enough, technically, if you're lucky
#423 [02:55] <aetherian> like 1 in 100 people can anyway
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#425 [02:55] <xales> the game uses 1024MB of ram, aetherian, for a reason
#426 [02:56] <xales> it's not stable with less
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#428 [02:56] <aetherian> I never said /entirely/ stable
#429 [02:56] <aetherian> but...
#430 [02:56] <Phenex> I am still working on my graphics issue as well
#431 [02:56] <aetherian> I know someone who plays it on a computer with 512MB ram, although he has to have tiny fog
#432 [02:56] <xales> I can say for sure it will not work on that card
#433 [02:56] <aetherian> and I don't know if he can run on the latest version...
#434 [02:56] <Phenex> Do you know of a mod that can downgrade the graphics? I remember seeing one yesterday but can't find it
#435 [02:57] <mib_4g1mas> here is the paste bin ?? http://pastebin.com/45VrRL3t
#436 [02:57] <xales> Phenex: optimine, but it's not a huge change
#437 [02:57] <aetherian> I seem to remember a texture pack that was also a bit of a helper...
#438 [02:58] <xales> mib_4g1mas: yeah, there is no way it would run on an R200
#439 [02:58] <xales> that's almost 10 years old
#440 [02:58] <aetherian> woh
#441 [02:58] <xales> it just doesn't support modern technologies that Minecraft needs
#442 [02:58] <CostlyCoincidence> So when can I expect a specialized Minecraft 3D driver? (;
#443 [02:58] <mib_4g1mas> Ok, is there a public list of acceptable video cards?
#444 [02:58] <xales> Never? lol
#445 [02:58] <Phenex> I used optimine and that solved my text issue
#446 [02:59] <xales> mib_4g1mas: anything made in the last 5 years that's not Intel, pretty much
#447 [02:59] <Phenex> but I am still seeing every block as a half green half transparent block that still acts as regular blocks
#448 [02:59] <xales> basically, stick with any recent nVidia or ATI card
#449 [02:59] <xales> Phenex: have you tried reinstalling the driver?
#450 [02:59] <CostlyCoincidence> The 9800 is relatively cheap and will server him real well.
#451 [02:59] <aetherian> I have to say, minecraft is the most resource intensive game I have ever played
#452 [02:59] <Phenex> The driver for my card?
#453 [02:59] <xales> yes
#454 [02:59] <Phenex> How would I do that
#455 [03:00] <Phenex> I've tried to update it but there is no new update.
#456 [03:00] <xales> Go to the AMD (ATI) website
#457 [03:00] <xales> find the driver download section
#458 [03:00] <xales> select the card you have
#459 [03:00] <xales> select OS
#460 [03:00] <xales> download
#461 [03:00] <xales> install
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#463 [03:00] <TheBix> hey how do I search pastebin
#464 [03:00] <xales> you don't
#465 [03:00] <TheBix> as in how do I search it
#466 [03:01] <lukegb> TheBix: google with the prefix site:pastebin.com
#467 [03:01] <TheBix> in order of date.
#468 [03:01] <aetherian> heh
#469 [03:01] <lukegb> Not really a search, but
#470 [03:01] <xales> lukegb: I don't think Google indexes pastebin
#471 [03:01] <TheBix> pastebin has a search
#472 [03:01] <TheBix> u noob
#473 [03:01] <lukegb> It doesn't? It used to.
#474 [03:01] <TheBix> its powered by google.
#475 [03:01] <TheBix> no it got results from like last week!
#476 [03:02] <lukegb> xales: !kick !kick !kick :P
#477 [03:02] <TheBix> ya
#478 [03:02] <xales> !kick lukegb k
#479 [03:02] * AuBot kicked lukegb from #minecrafthelp (Reason: I love you too! <3 (Issued by xales with reason: k))
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#481 [03:02] <lukegb> :D
#482 [03:02] <mib_4g1mas> # product: Radeon R200 QL [Radeon 8500 LE] # vendor: ATI Technologies Inc so this card is too Old?
#483 [03:02] <xales> D:
#484 [03:02] <TheBix> now how do I search it listed by date.
#485 [03:02] <xales> mib_4g1mas: Far too old.
#486 [03:02] <xales> It's at least 10 years old
#487 [03:02] <lukegb> xales: I have autorejoin on a random delay, but don't tell anyone :P
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#490 [03:03] <xales> :3
#491 [03:03] <lukegb> :/
#492 [03:03] <lukegb> :P
#493 [03:03] <aetherian> well, could it play on smallest graphics with 5 fps or so :p
#494 [03:03] <xales> aetherian: no
#495 [03:03] <lukegb> Prove that I have autorejoin D:
#496 [03:03] <xales> I mean it will not work
#497 [03:03] <aetherian> I was...
#498 [03:03] <mib_4g1mas> What about Matrox 450 dual head display video card
#499 [03:03] <aetherian> I was being somewhat sarcastic
#500 [03:03] <aetherian> those... those questions tend not to need an answer
#501 [03:04] <xales> mib_4g1mas: That's even worse than the R200
#502 [03:04] <aetherian> at least you can play doom on light graphics :)
#503 [03:05] <mib_4g1mas> Okay, thanks I appreciate a quick answer. What about Nvidia 5200 ?
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#505 [03:06] <xales> It's possible, but it will be seriously laggy
#506 [03:06] <xales> I'm not sure about it, but it's still a very, very old and underpowered card
#507 [03:06] <TheBix> u need to get a beast gfx card to play minecraft
#508 [03:06] <TheBix> because minecraft is crappily programmed
#509 [03:07] <xales> actually, no
#510 [03:07] <TheBix> ya
#511 [03:07] <Phenex> @Xales: I used ATI's driver detective and it told me two of my display drivers are out of date...could this be the issue?
#512 [03:07] <TheBix> not beast
#513 [03:07] <xales> Phenex: possibly?
#514 [03:07] <TheBix> but you need to get a better one than you'd need
#515 [03:07] <Phenex> Xales: Although, windows can't find an update for them
#516 [03:07] <aetherian> not poorly programmed, it just has so many things to render all at once
#517 [03:07] <aetherian> and so many variables
#518 [03:07] <xales> Phenex: Windows' updates thing is shit, ignore it
#519 [03:07] <aetherian> and a pig. whee!
#520 [03:07] <Phenex> okay
#521 [03:07] <xales> TheBix: it's actually due to the number of vertices, which is unavoidable
#522 [03:08] <TheBix> ORLY aetherian ?
#523 [03:08] <mib_4g1mas> Besides paying the $20 license fee and trying to run the real minecraft, Has anyone programmed a "test my video card" .jar file for a simple test?
#524 [03:08] <TheBix> ya I was gonna go try and get it to tell me how many vertices its rendering somehow
#525 [03:08] <TheBix> does it use quads?
#526 [03:08] <TheBix> if not, poorly programmed.
#527 [03:08] <xales> mib_4g1mas: No, but really, any modern card can run it
#528 [03:09] <TheBix> since every single 2D shape in minecraft is 4 sided
#529 [03:09] <xales> TheBix: Lava isn't properly culled...but beyond that, it's pretty well programmed, graphics-wise
#530 [03:10] <aetherian> minecraft needs to upgrade to hypercubes :)
#531 [03:10] <TheBix> and sprites too
#532 [03:10] <TheBix> but they are not rendered after a certain distance
#533 [03:10] <Phenex> Minecraft needs String theory
#534 [03:10] <Phenex> and Dark Matter blocks
#535 [03:10] <TheBix> let me go see what mode its drawing in
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#537 [03:11] <TheBix> anyone know what native functions minecraft uses to put shit on the screen?
#538 [03:11] <TheBix> oh
#539 [03:11] <TheBix> and text is poorly programmed to.
#540 [03:11] <xales> just use strace
#541 [03:12] <TheBix> strace?
#542 [03:12] <xales> yes
#543 [03:12] <aetherian> .-.
#544 [03:12] <Phenex> strace, of course!
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#546 [03:13] <TheBix> but yeah I'm pretty sure it not being multithreaded is slowing it down
#547 [03:14] <aetherian> wouldn't it be great if there was somehow, against all laws of... stuff that we know, a java to C translator?
#548 [03:14] <aetherian> I think it would be....
#549 [03:14] <TheBix> and making the graphics card affect performance more than it should
#550 [03:14] <TheBix> thats poor programming.
#551 [03:14] <aetherian> ...
#552 [03:14] <xales> Actually, it doesn't matter
#553 [03:15] <xales> the performance would be shit regardless of how much multithreading happened
#554 [03:15] <TheBix> yeah it does because you can run ai and redstone and stuff in another thread
#555 [03:15] <TheBix> while as with the current implementation
#556 [03:15] <TheBix> that must finish before it draws the frame
#557 [03:16] <xales> It would still have to finish, actually
#558 [03:16] <xales> or it would desync with the game world
#559 [03:16] <TheBix> redstone doesn't need to finish before a frame
#560 [03:16] <Phenex> Stupid question, but is there a set time frame Minecraft Full is supposed to come out? lol
#561 [03:16] <xales> It does
#562 [03:16] <xales> Phenex: Nope
#563 [03:16] <TheBix> how so?
#564 [03:16] <TheBix> it would only ever be one frame out.
#565 [03:17] <TheBix> at MAX
#566 [03:17] <xales> ._.
#567 [03:17] <aetherian> one frame is a lot :O
#568 [03:17] <xales> it has to render the redstone
#569 [03:17] <TheBix> ya
#570 [03:17] <xales> it can't display the screen
#571 [03:17] <TheBix> so?
#572 [03:17] <xales> untill everything has rendered
#573 [03:17] <xales> -l
#574 [03:17] <TheBix> redstone processing code updates redstone logic and writes it to memory
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#576 [03:18] <TheBix> drawing code does the usual draw and update loop with everything else that is sensitive
#577 [03:18] <aetherian> fine, I have a better idea
#578 [03:18] <TheBix> and draws with watever state the redstone has at the time
#579 [03:18] <TheBix> there is no problem there?
#580 [03:18] <aetherian> wouldn't it be nice if everyone had small supercomputers at their home...
#581 [03:18] <xales> Processing redstone is rendering it
#582 [03:18] <TheBix> I meant rendering it on the screen
#583 [03:19] <xales> Yes
#584 [03:19] <TheBix> whats stopping it from displaying everything on the screen before its "rendered"
#585 [03:19] <xales> It's the same thing
#586 [03:19] <xales> The redstone must be processed before it can be rendered
#587 [03:19] <TheBix> no....
#588 [03:19] <xales> Yes
#589 [03:19] <TheBix> who says?
#590 [03:19] <xales> Logic
#591 [03:19] <TheBix> why not tie redstone ticks to actual time?
#592 [03:19] <aetherian> that guy sucks
#593 [03:19] <TheBix> instead of frames?
#594 [03:19] <aetherian> he always ruins my fun
#595 [03:19] <TheBix> I really don't see the problem here at all?
#596 [03:19] <xales> If you need B to have C, and B is indeterminite, you cannot have C
#597 [03:20] <xales> And that makes absolutely no sense
#598 [03:20] <aetherian> so that's what was wrong with my cake...
#599 [03:20] <TheBix> explain to me what the problem is with displaying redstone as it is being updated?
#600 [03:20] <xales> It CANNOT be displayed UNTIL IT IS UPDATED
#601 [03:20] <xales> :|
#602 [03:20] <TheBix> how so?
#603 [03:20] <xales> ...
#604 [03:20] <TheBix> yes it can.
#605 [03:20] <xales> I just said
#606 [03:21] <aetherian> xales: you and your silly logic
#607 [03:21] <xales> If the final state is not determined
#608 [03:21] <TheBix> what is the limitation that stops it from being displayed until it is updated?
#609 [03:21] <xales> you CANNOT have it rendered, which requires the final state to be determined
#610 [03:21] <aetherian> I think he means just "render" an empty shell, basically
#611 [03:21] <xales> how do you not understand this?
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#613 [03:21] <xales> aetherian: it doesn't work like that
#614 [03:21] <aetherian> xales: I know
#615 [03:21] <Phenex> I'm a moron and I understand what he is saying
#616 [03:21] <TheBix> xales: but the thing is the final state does not need to be determined
#617 [03:21] <aetherian> I'm just saying what I think he's sa- wait... what
#618 [03:21] <xales> Yes, it does
#619 [03:22] <TheBix> why?
#620 [03:22] <TheBix> what is the limitaiton here?
#621 [03:22] <aetherian> argh
#622 [03:22] <xales> ....holy shit
#623 [03:22] <xales> If I have a REDSTONE TORCH
#624 [03:22] <xales> AND ONE PIECE OF REDSTONE
#625 [03:22] <TheBix> yes.
#626 [03:22] <TheBix> yes.
#627 [03:22] <xales> IT MUST CALCULATE IF THAT REDSTONE IS ON
#628 [03:22] <aetherian> xales: think happy thoughts
#629 [03:22] <aetherian> like cake
#630 [03:22] <xales> BEFORE IT CAN DRAW IT
#631 [03:22] <TheBix> no shit...
#632 [03:22] <aetherian> xales: calm down D:
#633 [03:22] <TheBix> mate.
#634 [03:22] <xales> REDSTONE = GIVES OFF LIGHT
#635 [03:22] <aetherian> ;_;
#636 [03:22] <xales> LIGHT = AFFECTS ENTIRE WORLD
#637 [03:22] <xales> ._.
#638 [03:23] <aetherian> deep breaths
#639 [03:23] <TheBix> do you not see at all how I can have a separate thread calculating all that and writing it to memory
#640 [03:23] <TheBix> then having the draw thread read the memory and draw the current state?
#641 [03:23] <TheBix> the only side effect
#642 [03:23] <xales> Could you put it in another thread? Yes. At great pain to synchronize
#643 [03:23] <xales> It doesn't fucking matter, because at the end of the day, the second thread must finish first
#644 [03:23] <TheBix> the ONLY side effect
#645 [03:23] <xales> And the scheduler is not perfect - it is unreasonable to think they will actually run concurrently
#646 [03:23] <TheBix> would be having redstone ticks independent of framerate
#647 [03:24] <xales> they will most likely not
#648 [03:24] <aetherian> aaahhrgh
#649 [03:24] * xales seriously doubts that TheBix has any experience with game programming ._.
#649 [03:24] <TheBix> and I don't think thats gonna destroy minecraft
#650 [03:24] <TheBix> yes.
#651 [03:24] <TheBix> Yes I do have experience
#652 [03:24] <xales> orly?
#653 [03:24] <TheBix> I've written a BOOTABLE game in pure assembly.
#654 [03:24] <aetherian> :O
#655 [03:24] <xales> lol
#656 [03:24] <aetherian> what, guess the number, one through 2?
#657 [03:25] <lukegb> TheBix: assembly or it didn't happen
#658 [03:25] <TheBix> k
#659 [03:25] <TheBix> I'll host it on my webserver
#660 [03:25] <xales> writing a game in assembly = you are either bored or stupid
#661 [03:25] <TheBix> its just pong :P but I plan to make a platformer soon
#662 [03:25] <TheBix> how about you want to learn stuff?
#663 [03:25] <TheBix> is that not a viable reason?
#664 [03:25] <aetherian> haha
#665 [03:25] <aetherian> exactly, bored
#666 [03:25] <xales> why the fuck would you want to write a game in assembly for any practical reason
#667 [03:25] <xales> which brings me back to bored
#668 [03:25] <TheBix> you learn so much about everything.
#669 [03:26] <xales> actually, no
#670 [03:26] <Phenex> Cuz knowledge is power!
#671 [03:26] <TheBix> you don't know what it entails to do that.
#672 [03:26] <xales> actually, I do
#673 [03:26] <xales> durr
#674 [03:26] <aetherian> why can't we all just get along...
#675 [03:26] <TheBix> what then?
#676 [03:26] <TheBix> you have to make your own drivers for everything you want to do
#677 [03:26] <xales> unless you are actually accessing the graphics device raw, which is plain moronic, then the calls you make are the same
#678 [03:26] <TheBix> from the timing chip to the keyboard controller
#679 [03:26] <aetherian> bye gladdy
#680 [03:27] <TheBix> software rendering.
#681 [03:27] <TheBix> is how it works
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#683 [03:27] <aetherian> you know, xales, if you eat a cookie, everything will be good again. I recommend you do it.
#684 [03:27] <TheBix> so yeah
#685 [03:27] <aetherian> for the good of us all
#686 [03:28] <TheBix> as I was saying with having redstone independant of framerate
#687 [03:28] <TheBix> there are heaps of things that do it
#688 [03:28] <LoRDTrevor> if mojang beats valve im gonna be mad
#689 [03:28] <xales> it cannot be decoupled from the framerate
#690 [03:28] <Phenex> hmph...after long searching i found the driver I think...
#691 [03:28] <xales> it simply does not work
#692 [03:28] <aetherian> does it really matter...
#693 [03:29] <TheBix> why not? I still don't see the flaw in having it update the state, and then having the draw code read the sate its at when its drawing it to render it.
#694 [03:29] <TheBix> the ONLY side effect is that redstone is independent of frame rate, you might get half a redstone track on in one frame or something
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#696 [03:30] <xales> durr
#697 [03:30] <xales> because updating it IS rendering it
#698 [03:30] <aetherian> great, now I need a cookie.
#699 [03:30] <xales> and it still can't be rendered unless the state is fully calculated
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#701 [03:30] <aetherian> aubot, give me a cookie
#702 [03:30] <TheBix> when I say rendering I mean drawing it.
#703 [03:30] <xales> then you end up with a half-rendered scene that doesn't work
#704 [03:30] <TheBix> by rendering I mean drawing
#705 [03:30] <xales> yes
#706 [03:30] <xales> and I still mean what I said
#707 [03:30] <TheBix> by updating I mean setting values saying if it is on or not
#708 [03:30] <xales> it is rendered as it is drawn
#709 [03:30] <Phenex> I don't know what's more hilarious. Bix and Xales arguing or Aetherian talking to a brick wall
#710 [03:30] <TheBix> and the like
#711 [03:30] <Phenex> hahahaha
#712 [03:31] <xales> it must be calculated before it is rendered
#713 [03:31] <aetherian> Phenex: >:
#714 [03:31] <xales> this is really not a difficult concept
#715 [03:31] <aetherian> I shall be heard!
#716 [03:31] <Phenex> read ;)
#717 [03:31] <aetherian> heard
#718 [03:31] <lukegb> aetherian: I'll talk to you!
#719 [03:31] <TheBix> xales: it is not a difficult concept for it to be separate from the frame rate. I don't see how you don't get it.
#720 [03:31] <aetherian> uh oh
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#722 [03:31] <lukegb> :D
#723 [03:31] <TheBix> please explain. all you are doing is saying "it just hast to be!!"
#724 [03:31] <aetherian> D:
#725 [03:31] <xales> is it possible to do it? yes
#726 [03:32] <xales> is it going to be worse? yes
#727 [03:32] <aetherian> :) + :( = :|
#728 [03:32] <xales> it CANNOT render the redstone unless the update is finished
#729 [03:32] <xales> you cannot render something where the state is indeterminate
#730 [03:32] <Phenex> it's like trying to eat something that doesn't exist yet!
#731 [03:32] <aetherian> oh
#732 [03:32] <aetherian> I do that all the time
#733 [03:32] <Phenex> I just made that up
#734 [03:33] <TheBix> wait what
#735 [03:33] <TheBix> who said the state was indeterminate
#736 [03:33] <xales> extremely simple logic?
#737 [03:33] <TheBix> if the state of one particular block of redstone hasn't been updated yet.
#738 [03:33] <xales> If you don't know the final state
#739 [03:33] <xales> then the state is indeterminate
#740 [03:33] <aetherian> damned logic
#741 [03:33] <xales> duuuurrrrrr
#742 [03:33] <mib_4g1mas> bye and thank you for your insight. This url helped me understand How Big size of real RAM minecraft needs! http://getsatisfaction.com/mojang/topics/solutions_to_common_minecraft_problems
#743 [03:33] <Phenex> logic wins again!
#744 [03:33] <TheBix> you don't need to know the final state
#745 [03:33] <TheBix> you just need to draw what it is now.
#746 [03:34] <TheBix> do you not get that?
#747 [03:34] <xales> I think you don't get it
#748 [03:34] <TheBix> go
#749 [03:34] <Phenex> Clearly
#750 [03:34] <aetherian> I think you both need cookies
#751 [03:34] <xales> you can't just draw the current state, because that would break the ENTIRE scene
#752 [03:34] <TheBix> run a disk defragmentor with a GUI
#753 [03:34] <xales> rendering the redstone also involves the lighting calculations
#754 [03:34] <TheBix> when it displays that fancy graph that shows the fragmentation
#755 [03:35] <xales> the block it is on would NOT SHOW UP if it was rendered using the old state
#756 [03:35] <TheBix> it renders what the disk looks like now
#757 [03:35] <TheBix> it doesn't have to finish the whole disk fragmentation to display the graph
#758 [03:35] <xales> You are comparing two entirely different things because you do not want to be wrong
#759 [03:35] <TheBix> ....
#760 [03:35] <TheBix> how would it not show up
#761 [03:35] <aetherian> xales: don't use that kind of argument
#762 [03:35] <aetherian> use a good one
#763 [03:36] <TheBix> the state would just appear like it was last frame
#764 [03:36] <xales> because the block is not lighted?
#765 [03:36] <xales> it really wouldn't
#766 [03:36] <TheBix> for the blocks that haven't been updated yet
#767 [03:36] <TheBix> do you not get it?
#768 [03:36] <xales> it's not that simple
#769 [03:36] <aetherian> you both don't get it
#770 [03:36] <aetherian> let me explain
#771 [03:36] <xales> you don't seem to understand how 3D graphics work, then
#772 [03:36] <TheBix> ...
#773 [03:36] <TheBix> You need to break all ties of red stone and frames in your mind
#774 [03:36] <aetherian> mr. pixel says to mr. processor, may I pl-
#775 [03:36] <aetherian> oh forget it
#776 [03:36] <TheBix> ohhhhhhhhh.
#777 [03:37] <TheBix> I think I know what your thinking.
#778 [03:37] <aetherian> ...you're?
#779 [03:37] <xales> it cannot be rendered in an incomplete state
#780 [03:37] <xales> because it would not be lighted
#781 [03:37] <TheBix> I think you're thinking I'm saying draw the redstone separately
#782 [03:37] <TheBix> No
#783 [03:37] <TheBix> Thats not what I am saying
#784 [03:37] <xales> meaning the block would be completely invisible AKA dark
#785 [03:37] <aetherian> I can make decisions in an incomplete state
#786 [03:37] <aetherian> but they tend to be bad
#787 [03:37] <TheBix> I am saying update the state of it separately and draw it separately
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#789 [03:38] <xales> yes
#790 [03:38] <xales> you still can't do that
#791 [03:38] <TheBix> one works on the screen
#792 [03:38] <xales> because the state must be concurrent
#793 [03:38] <TheBix> the other works on the in game state of the blocks
#794 [03:38] <xales> with what is being drawn
#795 [03:38] <xales> or it would just double memory usage as well as repeating each calculation
#796 [03:38] <TheBix> ....
#797 [03:38] <aetherian> sounds fun to me
#798 [03:38] <TheBix> how would it double memory usage?
#799 [03:38] <TheBix> and repeat calculations
#800 [03:39] <xales> it would have to remember the state of each block twice
#801 [03:39] <TheBix> I still don't think you get what I'm saying
#802 [03:39] <TheBix> how so
#803 [03:39] <xales> then determine if it was actually updated last time
#804 [03:39] <TheBix> it would have to remember the state of each block ONCE.
#805 [03:39] <xales> no, twice
#806 [03:39] <TheBix> I still don't think you get what I'm saying.....
#807 [03:39] <aetherian> no
#808 [03:39] <xales> I understand it perfectly
#809 [03:39] <aetherian> 17 times
#810 [03:39] <xales> you just don't understand how 3D scenes are rendered
#811 [03:39] <TheBix> Ya. I've written stuff for it.
#812 [03:39] <aetherian> crud, let me double check my numbers
#813 [03:39] <xales> following a tutorial != understanding
#814 [03:40] <TheBix> Thread A updates redstone in memory. Thread B checks memory and draws scene according to memory.
#815 [03:40] <TheBix> xales: correct.
#816 [03:40] <aetherian> (why can't weeeee be friieeends)
#817 [03:41] <aetherian> actually, I'm listening to mario music over and over
#818 [03:41] <xales> yes
#819 [03:41] <xales> but thread B cannot finish drawing it until thread A has finished
#820 [03:41] <TheBix> you are just storing info about blocks and things
#821 [03:41] <aetherian> it's just blocks and things
#822 [03:41] <TheBix> not anything to do with the screen
#823 [03:41] <xales> no, because part of the redstone to be rendered would sit in the buffer waiting for the rest of it
#824 [03:42] <TheBix> to be rendered or updated?
#825 [03:42] <TheBix> separate the ideas, as thats what I'm suggesting we do in the program.
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#827 [03:42] <xales> that's the problem though
#828 [03:43] <xales> the benefits would be nonexistant and the render thread would still have to block until the update thread is finished
#829 [03:43] <TheBix> but you see.
#830 [03:43] <TheBix> what is stopping it from drawing the redstone in its current state
#831 [03:43] <TheBix> whatever taht is
#832 [03:43] <TheBix> if a torch is on, it would draw the torch as on.
#833 [03:43] <xales> yes, but the problem is, it's rendered directly to the screen, it's not saved anywhere
#834 [03:44] <TheBix> yes
#835 [03:44] <TheBix> it is.
#836 [03:44] <xales> if you were to save it, it would just increase memory use by a massive amount
#837 [03:44] <TheBix> ...........
#838 [03:44] <aetherian> sounds fun
#839 [03:44] <TheBix> ok now I'm entirely sure you think I'm saying rendering redstone
#840 [03:44] <xales> no, I don't
#841 [03:44] <TheBix> in a separate thread
#842 [03:44] <TheBix> Which I'm not
#843 [03:44] <xales> but that's exactly what you would have to do
#844 [03:45] <TheBix> All I'm saying is update the state. the data. nothing to do with the screen yet
#845 [03:45] <TheBix> when the drawing thread gets round to it. it'll draw the screen with the current data
#846 [03:45] <xales> because you would either end up at a race condition or a WORSE problem of lag if you synch them to avoid it
#847 [03:45] <TheBix> where is the problem?
#848 [03:45] <aetherian> "and suddenly, with a twinkle in his eye and a mallet in his hand, he rendered poor redstone uncannily... dead"
#849 [03:46] <TheBix> it doesn't NEED to wait for thread A to finish anything, as there is nothing stopping it from drawing the blocks with the state of whats in memory at the time
#850 [03:46] <xales> there is NOTHING in memory
#851 [03:46] <xales> that's the problem
#852 [03:46] <xales> saving it to memory would use a MASSIVE amount of it
#853 [03:46] <aetherian> I can see what he's trying to say, I think
#854 [03:46] <TheBix> .........
#855 [03:46] <adamkex> do you think 2.4 P4 with 2gb ram would work for a minecraft server? for 3-10 people
#856 [03:46] <xales> It's java
#857 [03:46] <xales> not assembly
#858 [03:46] <xales> durrrr
#859 [03:46] <TheBix> waiiit what?
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#861 [03:46] <aetherian> adamkex: no
#862 [03:46] <TheBix> nothing in memory?
#863 [03:46] <xales> adamkex: With other things running on it? No
#864 [03:47] <TheBix> how so, there is whatever is left in memory.
#865 [03:47] <xales> TheBix: It doesn't save redstone state in memory
#866 [03:47] <TheBix> Then how does it know the current state?
#867 [03:47] <xales> it updates it directly onto the screen
#868 [03:47] <TheBix> who told you this?
#869 [03:47] <adamkex> xales: well, only some basic things, apache, mysql, irssi, fileserver, maybe torrent
#870 [03:47] <xales> I looked at the code?
#871 [03:47] <xales> adamkex: definately not, then
#872 [03:47] <aetherian> haha, adam
#873 [03:47] <TheBix> .......
#874 [03:48] <TheBix> are you trying to convince me that minecraft somehow knows the state of redstone blocks, yet it is not stored in memory
#875 [03:48] <TheBix> its a computer
#876 [03:48] <xales> Apache and MySQL are hardly 'light' on resources
#877 [03:48] <TheBix> everything it wants to remember must be stored in memory....
#878 [03:48] <aetherian> xales: I think he were being sercasmic
#879 [03:48] <xales> TheBix: Does it save them? Yes. In a way that could render it without requiring processing? No
#880 [03:48] <TheBix> true.
#881 [03:48] <TheBix> see
#882 [03:48] <adamkex> xales: lighttpd then, i mean it's other purposes are not serious
#883 [03:48] <TheBix> this is where you are mis understanding me
#884 [03:49] <TheBix> blargh
#885 [03:49] <aetherian> rewrite it from the ground up in asm for all different cpu's, then :D
#886 [03:49] <lukegb> aetherian: it needs to be compatible with both i686, ppc and sparc :< :D
#887 [03:49] <xales> adamkex: If you could actually get 1.5GB of RAM allocated to Minecraft? It might run.
#888 [03:49] <TheBix> I am saying update the block. Update the value in memory that tells minecraft if a torch is on or off, or if a bit of dust is on or off
#889 [03:50] <adamkex> xales: well we are not many
#890 [03:50] <TheBix> I am NOT saying render it graphically, and then put it on the screen later.
#891 [03:50] <xales> TheBix: I understand entirely what you are saying
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#893 [03:50] <xales> you fail to understand the implication of it
#894 [03:50] <TheBix> okay then
#895 [03:50] <xales> it's not practical to do, and it would only create more and worse bugs
#896 [03:50] <TheBix> what does doing that imlpy?
#897 [03:50] <aetherian> or so he thinks you think you know what he thinks he knows
#898 [03:51] <xales> A: lighting would just be fucked, all the time
#899 [03:51] <TheBix> no.
#900 [03:51] <TheBix> It wouldn't
#901 [03:51] <xales> B: you have no idea what's actually going on with your redstone at any point, runing the ability to do shit with it, because it would end up half-rendered
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#903 [03:52] <xales> C: with the current way it's rendered, you would either do the processing twice or end up wasting RAM
#904 [03:52] <TheBix> half rendered???
#905 [03:52] <phenex> Hello!
#906 [03:52] <Aska990> hello
#907 [03:52] <phenex> and the update did not fix the game issue! :(
#908 [03:52] <TheBix> you fail to understand that it is a continuous process
#909 [03:52] <xales> D: redstone is such an insignificant resource use, that the overhead of threading would just make it worthless
#910 [03:52] <TheBix> wait...
#911 [03:52] <aetherian> it has good use
#912 [03:52] <xales> phenex: did you get the update from the ATI/AMD site?
#913 [03:52] <phenex> You are still going on about this?
#914 [03:52] <aetherian> like making flashy thingies
#915 [03:52] <aetherian> and yes, phenex, after all this time
#916 [03:52] <xales> aetherian: I mean system resources
#917 [03:52] <TheBix> just tell me why lighting would be fucked all the time?
#918 [03:53] <xales> derp
#919 [03:53] <phenex> When I used there site, they made me download a program to scan my computer and it didn't do anything
#920 [03:53] <aetherian> well then
#921 [03:53] <adamkex> xales: my cousins server at the moment is using 1095mb ram, with other processes
#922 [03:53] <xales> TheBix: redstone gives off light
#923 [03:53] <phenex> so I searched my card name in google and found a driver
#924 [03:53] <TheBix> ya
#925 [03:53] <TheBix> so?
#926 [03:53] <xales> adamkex: it will only use as much RAM as you start it with
#927 [03:53] <adamkex> xales: okay, what about the processor?
#928 [03:53] <adamkex> p4 2.4ghz
#929 [03:53] <xales> TheBix: Meaning, if the state is not consistent, then it will not be properly lit
#930 [03:53] <TheBix> CONSISTENT WITH WHAT?
#931 [03:53] <xales> adamkex: Worrysome at best. It's hard to say for sure
#932 [03:54] <TheBix> I seriously don't see the flaw in this.
#933 [03:54] <xales> TheBix: The rest of the redstone
#934 [03:54] <xales> As you have said
#935 [03:54] <xales> If the worker thread only updates 3/4 of all the redstone before the next frame must be drawn
#936 [03:54] <TheBix> yes
#937 [03:54] <xales> it will be INCONSISTENT
#938 [03:54] <adamkex> xales: okay, cause i am planning on slaying an older computer, 2.4ghz quad-core would work?
#939 [03:54] <TheBix> then only 3/4 of the redstone will be on/off
#940 [03:54] <xales> the system thinks that the 1/4 is where it really isn't
#941 [03:54] <aetherian> gasp
#942 [03:54] <TheBix> and then the problem is????
#943 [03:54] <phenex> How do I know if I am running 32 or 64 bit XP?
#944 [03:54] <TheBix> what
#945 [03:54] <aetherian> tell me it ain't so, jim
#946 [03:54] <TheBix> nothing... thats what the problem is
#947 [03:55] <xales> phenex: You would know if you had 64-bit XP
#948 [03:55] <TheBix> you'll just see redstone as off
#949 [03:55] <phenex> ....Okay>
#950 [03:55] <TheBix> because thats what it was drawn as at the time of drawing..
#951 [03:55] <TheBix> seriously.
#952 [03:55] <xales> TheBix: Yes. if you are trying to create something with it, you have NO IDEA what's going on
#953 [03:55] <TheBix> I don't get the trouble.
#954 [03:55] <phenex> This isnt my comptuer so I doubt that
#955 [03:55] <TheBix> How so?
#956 [03:55] <adamkex> phenex: go into C:\ and look if you have a folder called "Program Files (x86)"
#957 [03:55] <xales> in addition to the fact that the render thread will get ahead of the updater
#958 [03:55] <TheBix> and the problem with that is?
#959 [03:55] <xales> meaning the issue would get worse and worse as time goes on
#960 [03:55] <xales> it's a GAME
#961 [03:55] <phenex> Nope.
#962 [03:55] <aetherian> GUYS
#963 [03:55] <TheBix> what ISSUE?
#964 [03:55] <xales> the whole fucking point is to see what you are doing
#965 [03:55] <adamkex> phenex: then you are most likely on 32bit
#966 [03:55] <TheBix> I really don't see the issue here
#967 [03:55] <aetherian> eat a cookie. I hereby demand it.
#968 [03:56] <TheBix> seriously
#969 [03:56] <aetherian> all your troubles will melt away
#970 [03:56] <xales> okay
#971 [03:56] <TheBix> Separate all ties in your mind
#972 [03:56] <xales> I am trying to make a massively complex circuit
#973 [03:56] <TheBix> of redstone to framerate
#974 [03:56] <aetherian> xales: a computer to play minecraft in minecraft?
#975 [03:56] <xales> BUT I CAN'T SEE 1/4 OF IT AS THAT HALF FAILS TO UPDATE BEFORE THE FRAME IS DRAWN, WHICH GETS WORSE AS THE RENDERER GETS FURTHER AND FURTHER BEHIND
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#977 [03:56] <aetherian> AAAHHHH
#978 [03:56] <TheBix> yes you can see that 1/4
#979 [03:57] <xales> Yes, as it was 15 minutes ago
#980 [03:57] <TheBix> 15 minutes ago???
#981 [03:57] <TheBix> wtf....
#982 [03:57] <xales> so you might as well not see it
#983 [03:57] <phenex> Woohoo I believe I found the right one NOW!
#984 [03:57] <xales> yes
#985 [03:57] <TheBix> are you saying
#986 [03:57] <xales> If
#987 [03:57] <TheBix> redstone should be updated once every 15 minutes
#988 [03:57] <cliff101> anyone here use citizen plugin?
#989 [03:57] <aetherian> oh my god
#990 [03:57] <xales> cliff101: we can't help with mods
#991 [03:57] <aetherian> both of you
#992 [03:57] <TheBix> we are talking lags of less than 1 frame here
#993 [03:57] <xales> TheBix: you just don't get it
#994 [03:57] <phenex> I am suprised one of these guys hasn't stopped typing due to a broken keyboard..
#995 [03:57] <TheBix> I really don't see how you don't get it.
#996 [03:57] <xales> the 1/4 of the redstone that did not update in time
#997 [03:57] <cliff101> k
#998 [03:57] <xales> IS NOT RENDERED AS IT CURRENTLY IS
#999 [03:57] <xales> meaning the renderer FALLS BEHIND
#1000 [03:57] <TheBix> ....
#1001 [03:58] <TheBix> yes it is.
#1002 [03:58] <aetherian> xales: calm. down.
#1003 [03:58] <xales> okay
#1004 [03:58] <xales> so it magically infers the state of it?
#1005 [03:58] <TheBix> its rendered as it currently is when it gets drawn
#1006 [03:58] <TheBix> NO MAGIC
#1007 [03:58] <xales> yes
#1008 [03:58] <xales> WHICH IS THE PROBLEM
#1009 [03:58] <TheBix> ....
#1010 [03:58] <xales> It's not updated
#1011 [03:58] <TheBix> lol
#1012 [03:58] <TheBix> thats how minecraft does it normally
#1013 [03:58] <xales> meaning the state is INCORRECT WITH HOW IT ACTUALLY IS BEING PROCESSED
#1014 [03:58] <aetherian> xales: listen to me
#1015 [03:58] <aetherian> calm down
#1016 [03:58] <TheBix> it renders stuff as it is when it is drawn
#1017 [03:58] <aetherian> deeep breaths
#1018 [03:58] <TheBix> xales: the state is never incorrect
#1019 [03:58] <phenex> What makes you think he isn't calm?
#1020 [03:59] <aetherian> gee, I dunno
#1021 [03:59] <lukegb> phenex: the cruise control. For cool.
#1022 [03:59] <xales> TheBix: How is it correct, then?
#1023 [03:59] <aetherian> the fits of rage
#1024 [03:59] <xales> if it's threaded
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#1026 [03:59] <TheBix> xales: because tahts what it was at the time
#1027 [03:59] <phenex> He clearly knows what he is talking about and is having an intelligent conversation, although Bix seems to be frustrating him lol
#1028 [03:59] <xales> Which is my point
#1029 [03:59] <TheBix> how ISN'T it correct is the question
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#1031 [03:59] <TheBix> if the drawing code draws it as it is in memory
#1032 [04:00] <TheBix> how ISN'T it drawn at the current state
#1033 [04:00] <TheBix> see I really don't think you are separating the concepts of redstone to frames
#1034 [04:00] <xales> but it is
#1035 [04:00] <xales> how the fuck it is NOT
#1036 [04:00] <TheBix> because
#1037 [04:00] <TheBix> it is drawing what it is in memory at the time
#1038 [04:00] <xales> yes
#1039 [04:01] <xales> which IS the problem
#1040 [04:01] <TheBix> it is correct at the point in time the frame is drawn
#1041 [04:01] <TheBix> are you saying
#1042 [04:01] <TheBix> that we draw frames from the future or some shit?
#1043 [04:01] <xales> that's what YOU are saying
#1044 [04:01] <TheBix> how so?
#1045 [04:01] <xales> Let me make you a picture
#1046 [04:01] <xales> |
#1047 [04:01] <xales> |
#1048 [04:01] <xales> |
#1049 [04:01] <xales> T
#1050 [04:01] <TheBix> I really don't see how its incorrect at all
#1051 [04:01] <TheBix> ok
#1052 [04:01] <xales> T = torch
#1053 [04:01] <xales> | = wire
#1054 [04:01] <TheBix> ya it might only get up to the 3rd wire
#1055 [04:01] <phenex> Xale: two seconds of your time.
#1056 [04:01] <TheBix> you'd see half a line on.
#1057 [04:02] <xales> Yes
#1058 [04:02] <phenex> The driver I just got from ATI is supposed to be right
#1059 [04:02] <phenex> BUT
#1060 [04:02] <xales> But when that frame is drawn
#1061 [04:02] <phenex> mid install I got a message saying
#1062 [04:02] <TheBix> ya?
#1063 [04:02] <phenex> has not passed windows logo testing
#1064 [04:02] <phenex> and it strongly reccemonds I dont continue
#1065 [04:02] <xales> phenex: ignore that
#1066 [04:02] <TheBix> when the frame is drawn
#1067 [04:02] <phenex> ...are you sure?
#1068 [04:02] <xales> When the frame is drawn
#1069 [04:02] <xales> Yes
#1070 [04:02] <TheBix> the state is currently correct.
#1071 [04:02] <xales> no, it isn't
#1072 [04:02] <phenex> it says it could wreck my pc immediately.
#1073 [04:02] <TheBix> how not?
#1074 [04:02] <xales> because HERP DERP THREAD
#1075 [04:03] <TheBix> how is the state not correct. one bit of wire is off. but that is the state of the redstone currently and there is nothing wrong with taht.
#1076 [04:03] <xales> yes
#1077 [04:03] <aetherian> (is anybody even listening to me?)
#1078 [04:03] <xales> okay
#1079 [04:03] <phenex> Nope
#1080 [04:03] <aetherian> does it really matter, guys?
#1081 [04:03] <xales> so the last wire is OFF
#1082 [04:03] <TheBix> ya
#1083 [04:03] <xales> while it's rendering
#1084 [04:03] <xales> it's state changes to ON
#1085 [04:03] <TheBix> ya
#1086 [04:03] <xales> because they are decoupled
#1087 [04:03] <phenex> Xale: It keeps stopping to warn me the same thing
#1088 [04:03] <TheBix> yep
#1089 [04:03] <xales> phenex: just ignore it
#1090 [04:04] <xales> now, when it goes to render it again
#1091 [04:04] <TheBix> makes sense
#1092 [04:04] <TheBix> render it again it'll be on
#1093 [04:04] <xales> the second and third wire are ALSO OFF now
#1094 [04:04] <xales> because it didn't re-calculate that in time
#1095 [04:04] <TheBix> wait wat
#1096 [04:04] <aetherian> xales: TheBix: you've been arguing for nearly an hour
#1097 [04:04] <aetherian> it doesn't matter this much
#1098 [04:04] <TheBix> IKR
#1099 [04:04] <xales> anyway
#1100 [04:05] <xales> redstone calculation is so insanely simple that the overhead from threading it would just defeat the purpose
#1101 [04:05] <TheBix> yeah
#1102 [04:05] <phenex> We have a winner!
#1103 [04:05] <aetherian> no
#1104 [04:05] <xales> because, durr
#1105 [04:05] <aetherian> we have a loser
#1106 [04:05] <TheBix> yeah but put redstone and water and AI in the same thread.
#1107 [04:05] <TheBix> tadah!
#1108 [04:05] <xales> if(blockNextToRedstone.type == redstoneTypes())
#1109 [04:05] <xales> SO MUCH CPU LIFTING NEEDED
#1110 [04:06] <xales> :|
#1111 [04:06] <TheBix> consider a digital camera. I take a picture of a bee with its wings up
#1112 [04:06] <aetherian> I'm beginning to think both of you are just AI
#1113 [04:06] <phenex> one more time! BRB!
#1114 [04:06] <TheBix> the bee then flaps its wings.
#1115 [04:06] <aetherian> emphasis on the A
#1116 [04:06] <TheBix> does taht mean my picture is incorrect now?
#1117 [04:06] <aetherian> xales: wait, curious, how do you know this much about how minecraft was created?
#1118 [04:06] <TheBix> no because it was taken while the bees wings were up. The camera didn't do anything wrong.
#1119 [04:06] <xales> aetherian: I read the source code for it? lol
#1120 [04:06] <TheBix> if we have a video of a bee flapping its wings
#1121 [04:07] <aetherian> xales: eh wazzis
#1122 [04:07] <TheBix> and we have frames
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#1124 [04:07] <TheBix> the frames do not become "incorrect" because the bee is moving its wings
#1125 [04:07] <TheBix> I really don't see your logic
#1126 [04:08] <TheBix> _really_
#1127 [04:08] <xales> The logic does not fit your example
#1128 [04:08] <xales> part of the wing would not have moved yet
#1129 [04:10] <TheBix> ya
#1130 [04:10] <TheBix> just like part of the redstone has not updated yet.
#1131 [04:10] <TheBix> and the problem is????????????
#1132 [04:10] <TheBix> it will be drawn like that
#1133 [04:10] <TheBix> and the problem is?????????????
#1134 [04:11] <xales> A: lighting
#1135 [04:11] <TheBix> its as if redstone is a real life process, and you have a camera and are filming it.
#1136 [04:11] <TheBix> think of it like that.
#1137 [04:11] <xales> B: how is the player going to have any idea what the fuck is going on
#1138 [04:11] <TheBix> Just because you camera captures a frame of redstone being half on
#1139 [04:11] <TheBix> doesn't mean the video is now "incorrect"
#1140 [04:11] <xales> To an observer, yes, it does
#1141 [04:12] <TheBix> how so?
#1142 [04:12] <TheBix> the frame was taken at that time and thats how the world looked at that time
#1143 [04:12] <xales> If I show you a picture of a bee, and part of it's wing is completely detached from the rest of it
#1144 [04:12] <xales> that is incorrect
#1145 [04:12] <TheBix> yep
#1146 [04:12] <TheBix> that is incorrect
#1147 [04:12] <aetherian> um hey um uh guys
#1148 [04:12] <TheBix> but now ur just twisting my analogy
#1149 [04:12] <aetherian> it doesn't matter who's right
#1150 [04:12] <aetherian> or who's left
#1151 [04:12] <xales> no, I'm not
#1152 [04:13] <aetherian> or who's dead
#1153 [04:13] <aetherian> what matters to me and my narcissism in which everything is about me is that I'm going to bed
#1154 [04:13] <TheBix> ok
#1155 [04:13] <aetherian> because I can't make intelligible sentences anymore
#1156 [04:13] <aetherian> but really, this argument has lasted over an hour
#1157 [04:13] <TheBix> this is the easiest part to understand but okay
#1158 [04:13] <TheBix> :P
#1159 [04:13] <aetherian> just stop
#1160 [04:13] <TheBix> hey I'm not the one whose been yelling.
#1161 [04:14] <TheBix> ok fine xales. Again you are just saying "the lighting will be out of synch blah blah" but you are not actually giving any reason for it to be like that.
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#1163 [04:14] <TheBix> I won't say anything until you give me a good reason to believe anything you're saying.
#1164 [04:15] <xales> Go ahead
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#1166 [04:15] <xales> make the changes you want
#1167 [04:15] <TheBix> ok
#1168 [04:15] <xales> see what happens
#1169 [04:15] <TheBix> Ya I'm not remaking minecraft kthnx
#1170 [04:15] <xales> It's called modding?
#1171 [04:16] <TheBix> ok.
#1172 [04:16] <TheBix> its just as if you are taking a video of something and then watching it back.
#1173 [04:17] <TheBix> the frames are up to date with the world as they were captured
#1174 [04:17] * xales is going to go do something else. you can talk to a wall if you like. I know I'm right because I've tried this before
#1174 [04:17] <TheBix> good for you.
#1175 [04:18] <TheBix> Some time soon i'm going to make a program that does this.
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#1177 [04:19] <aetherian> wait, how is it safe to distribute the .jar (notch doing it I mean)
#1178 [04:19] <aetherian> I thought there were java decompilers? hmm.... I shall look that up
#1179 [04:19] <xales> aetherian: there are, and people decompile it all the time
#1180 [04:20] <xales> that's how the modders make mods :P
#1181 [04:20] <aetherian> aahhh
#1182 [04:20] <aetherian> and how evil people crack it, I assume
#1183 [04:20] <aetherian> not very safe, if you ask me
#1184 [04:21] <aetherian> whoa, I take a look at this code, and I just go
#1185 [04:21] <aetherian> "a hurrr"
#1186 [04:21] <xales> he obfuscates it, so it's not easy to make sense of it nor get the original code back
#1187 [04:21] <aetherian> no kidding
#1188 [04:21] <xales> but that's one of the significant things that makes Java 'shitty'
#1189 [04:21] <aetherian> and sadly
#1190 [04:21] <aetherian> no comments in decompiled code
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#1193 [04:23] <TheBix> you don't need to crack it by decompiling java
#1194 [04:23] <aetherian> oh-bloody-whatever
#1195 [04:24] <aetherian> I'm actually going to bed
#1196 [04:24] <TheBix> *need* is the key word here btw
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#1198 [04:30] <Phenex> You scared everyone off!
#1199 [04:31] <TheBix> lol
#1200 [04:31] <TheBix> so guys... anyone know how to make a resettable counter?
#1201 [04:32] <Phenex> nope
#1202 [04:32] <TheBix> lame
#1203 [04:35] <Phenex> I suppose
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#1208 [05:12] <Vinlaell> z
#1209 [05:16] <lemon-rev> if i have a lava pool on top of a roof, that was there when the map generated which means im looking up at it, if i put something near it or dig into it, it will try and fall just like water and everything ????
#1210 [05:17] <xales> lava behaves just like water
#1211 [05:17] <xales> it's just slower to move
#1212 [05:17] <Bob_Sack> and it doesn't produce infinite springs because of it's slow movement
#1213 [05:18] <lemon-rev> so it will fall if i try and interupt it then
#1214 [05:18] <Bob_Sack> if u refresh any blocks adjacent to it, it will
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#1216 [05:19] <lemon-rev> thanks bob
#1217 [05:20] <Bob_Sack> no prob
#1218 [05:20] <lemon-rev> btw im playing from fourms the map surivival map where your in a huge cave and you goto survive lol
#1219 [05:24] <Vinlaell> i need some help, who just banned me from #minecraft
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#1221 [05:26] <minecraft_guy> hey huys
#1222 [05:26] <minecraft_guy> guys
#1223 [05:26] <Bob_Sack> vin it was probably bildramer
#1224 [05:26] <minecraft_guy> can someone plz help me test my mc server
#1225 [05:26] <xales> Use the bot
#1226 [05:27] <minecraft_guy> i need to see if it works from another location
#1227 [05:27] <xales> just say "!check"
#1228 [05:27] <minecraft_guy> its at twowords.dyndns.org
#1229 [05:27] <xales> then say "!check twowords.dyndns.org"
#1230 [05:27] <xales> ...
#1231 [05:27] <minecraft_guy> " !check twowords.dyndns.org"
#1232 [05:28] <xales> without the quotes
#1233 [05:28] <Bob_Sack> lolol
#1234 [05:28] <xales> ._.
#1235 [05:28] <minecraft_guy> sorry
#1236 [05:28] <minecraft_guy> im bad computors
#1237 [05:28] <minecraft_guy> !check twowords.dyndns.org
#1238 [05:28] <minecraft_guy> nobody logged in
#1239 [05:28] <minecraft_guy> idk if its working
#1240 [05:29] <xales> it worked
#1241 [05:29] <minecraft_guy> really?
#1242 [05:29] <minecraft_guy> awesome
#1243 [05:29] <minecraft_guy> wanna check it out
#1244 [05:29] <Bob_Sack> kk ima come grief it
#1245 [05:29] <minecraft_guy> i put on my awesome singleplayer map
#1246 [05:29] <minecraft_guy> lol
#1247 [05:29] <minecraft_guy> try then
#1248 [05:29] <minecraft_guy> ill get mods on soon
#1249 [05:29] <Vinlaell> done asked bildrammer, he told me he hasnt done anything
#1250 [05:29] <Bob_Sack> they see me griefin.. they hatin...
#1251 [05:30] <Vinlaell> but i've heard that before when he was the only active op
#1252 [05:30] <minecraft_guy> comon sum1 check it out
#1253 [05:30] <Vinlaell> just further supports my hatred of mc's administration
#1254 [05:30] <minecraft_guy> idc if u guys grief
#1255 [05:30] <Bob_Sack> ima start my own minecraft IRC, with blackjack, and hookers
#1256 [05:30] <minecraft_guy> i just want someone to play with =(
#1257 [05:30] <Bob_Sack> know what? screw the black jack
#1258 [05:30] <Bob_Sack> ah screw the whole thing
#1259 [05:30] <minecraft_guy> PLZ sum1?
#1260 [05:31] <Bob_Sack> +1 if u get the reference btw
#1261 [05:31] <minecraft_guy> i got it
#1262 [05:31] <minecraft_guy> family guy
#1263 [05:31] <Bob_Sack> fail
#1264 [05:31] <minecraft_guy> now go on mah server
#1265 [05:31] <Bob_Sack> i only watch good cartoons
#1266 [05:31] <minecraft_guy> futurama?
#1267 [05:31] <Bob_Sack> ding
#1268 [05:31] <minecraft_guy> lol
#1269 [05:32] <Vinlaell> moral orel
#1270 [05:32] <Vinlaell> :\
#1271 [05:32] <minecraft_guy> hey vinlaell wanna check out mah server?
#1272 [05:32] <Bob_Sack> so real original name u got there minecraft_guy
#1273 [05:32] <Vinlaell> dont own mc
#1274 [05:32] <minecraft_guy> yeah i do
#1275 [05:33] <Vinlaell> last thing i need is to purchase a game i cant even visit its ircd
#1276 [05:33] <minecraft_guy> hey bob sack do u have minecraft
#1277 [05:33] <Bob_Sack> yeah
#1278 [05:33] <Bob_Sack> and no i wont
#1279 [05:33] <minecraft_guy> awwww
#1280 [05:33] <Bob_Sack> cause my server is better
#1281 [05:33] <minecraft_guy> why notch?
#1282 [05:33] <minecraft_guy> lol
#1283 [05:33] <minecraft_guy> i just want u to check it
#1284 [05:33] <minecraft_guy> u dont have to be regular
#1285 [05:34] <minecraft_guy> i have never had any1 on it =(
#1286 [05:34] <Bob_Sack> busy building my 60x60 fortress
#1287 [05:35] <minecraft_guy> just for a second
#1288 [05:35] <minecraft_guy> log on and then off
#1289 [05:35] <minecraft_guy> plz
#1290 [05:35] <minecraft_guy> tell me if it it doesnt work
#1291 [05:35] <Bob_Sack> aubot fails
#1292 [05:36] <minecraft_guy> yeah and so do u
#1293 [05:36] <minecraft_guy> for not checkin mah server
#1294 [05:36] <Bob_Sack> your server's gay
#1295 [05:36] <Vinlaell> lol
#1296 [05:36] <Bob_Sack> u should change your name to minecraft_gay
#1297 [05:37] <Bob_Sack> lol ragequit
#1298 [05:37] <Vinlaell> poor guy
#1299 [05:38] <Vinlaell> never even had anyone on his server :(
#1300 [05:38] <Bob_Sack> u know some guy got mad and called me "bitch_sack"?
#1301 [05:38] <Bob_Sack> i lold
#1302 [05:38] <Vinlaell> haha
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#1304 [05:54] <xabo> !isdown minecraft.net
#1305 [05:55] <GreyBot> xabo: It's not just you! http://minecraft.net looks down from here.
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#1308 [06:08] <xabo> !isdown minecraft.net
#1309 [06:08] <GreyBot> xabo: It's just you. http://minecraft.net is up.
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#1311 [06:13] <Vinlaell> meant for #mc
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#1317 [06:25] <mib_wshj6i> в minecraft laucher не дают зайти
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#1319 [06:32] <Gamma> H'lo?
#1320 [06:34] <Espeon> Γ
#1321 [06:35] <Gamma> Yes? :P
#1322 [06:35] <Espeon> ヽ( ｡ ヮﾟ)ノ
#1323 [06:35] <Gamma> o.o Wonky.
#1324 [06:36] <Gamma> Anyways...feel like helping a noob out with some redstone circuitry? I've looked through multiple tutorials and can't seem to figure out what I'm doing wrong.
#1325 [06:38] <Espeon> Have you read the circuit page on the wiki?
#1326 [06:39] <Gamma> ...Okay I'd read everything Redstone-related EXCEPT that, apparently. Let me see if anything on here helps.
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#1328 [06:43] <Gamma> I'm...still not getting it.
#1329 [06:44] <Espeon> heh
#1330 [06:44] <Espeon> You should probably get the redstone simulator and play around with that
#1331 [06:44] <Gamma> I'm trying to power a door from a distance using a pressure plate and underground wire. I've done it successfully to power a double door from up close, but for some reason the distance is futzing everything up.
#1332 [06:44] <Gamma> And I'm not more than 15 blocks away.
#1333 [06:45] <Gamma> The pressure plate will power the redstone wire itself...until I get a redstone torch involved with the mix
#1334 [06:45] <Vinlaell> being an amateur at electronics, redstone wiki had everything i needed to make some usefull curcuits
#1335 [06:45] <Gamma> Then the plate stops working completely.
#1336 [06:45] <Espeon> There's.. a redstone repeater block I think
#1337 [06:46] <Gamma> Well the problem isn't the signal not going far enough...it's that the instant I add a redstone torch anywhere along the line, the whole mechanism stops working.
#1338 [06:46] <Gamma> The plate won't toggle the wire or the torch like I've seen in videos.
#1339 [06:51] <Gamma> :\ No idea?
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#1348 [08:09] <WayneL> Hi
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#1350 [08:12] <WayneL> Anyone wanna help with open GL/bad video card problem?
#1351 [08:13] <GreyVulpine> Have you tried updating your video drivers?
#1352 [08:13] <WayneL> Yes.
#1353 [08:13] <WayneL> http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=39953&start=270 <-- all info on what I got and what I've done in a post there.
#1354 [08:13] <GreyVulpine> Alright, one sec.
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#1356 [08:14] <GreyVulpine> Who are you in the forums?
#1357 [08:15] <GreyVulpine> WayneL?
#1358 [08:15] <WayneL> E-Fin
#1359 [08:16] <GreyVulpine> Ah, you only have a gig of RAM on the system?
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#1361 [08:16] <GreyVulpine> WayneL?
#1362 [08:16] <WayneL> Not sure. D=
#1363 [08:17] <GreyVulpine> Muisti = ?
#1364 [08:17] <WayneL> Memory
#1365 [08:17] <GreyVulpine> Then yeah, you only have a gig of RAM on the system, which is why you're getting that error, even after updating your video drivers
#1366 [08:17] <WayneL> So what do I do?
#1367 [08:18] <GreyVulpine> You have integrated intel graphics, which shares video memory from RAM, unfortunately, minecraft also tries to reserve up to a gig of ram as well, choking your video card, and is why it's giving you that error
#1368 [08:18] <GreyVulpine> What you can do, is go to minecraft.net, grab the linux .jar file
#1369 [08:18] <GreyVulpine> Do you know how to use the command line?
#1370 [08:19] <WayneL> Nope
#1371 [08:19] <GreyVulpine> Okay.. let's try it this way then.
#1372 [08:19] <GreyVulpine> Grab the linux .jar from: http://www.minecraft.net/download.jsp
#1373 [08:19] <GreyVulpine> Place it in a directory where you can get to it
#1374 [08:19] <GreyVulpine> Tell me when you have that done
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#1376 [08:21] <WayneL> Done.
#1377 [08:21] <GreyVulpine> Alright, head to that directory.
#1378 [08:22] <GreyVulpine> Now, right click on that directory, make a new file -> text file
#1379 [08:22] <GreyVulpine> Double click on that text file to open it up in notepad
#1380 [08:22] <GreyVulpine> What you're going to paste in is this line:
#1381 [08:22] <GreyVulpine> java -Xmx256M -Xms256M -cp Minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame
#1382 [08:22] <GreyVulpine> Once you have that in, go up to file -> save as.
#1383 [08:23] <GreyVulpine> Under file type, save it as "All files", then in the name, have the file name as launch.bat
#1384 [08:23] <GreyVulpine> Now, try launching minecraft through that file
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#1386 [08:27] <WayneL> Didn't help. :(
#1387 [08:28] <GreyVulpine> No?
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#1389 [08:29] <GreyVulpine> You tried launch.bat?
#1390 [08:30] <WayneL> Keep on getting the same black screen for like 5-10secs, then it goes to error message.
#1391 [08:31] <GreyVulpine> From where exactly did you update your video drivers from?
#1392 [08:31] <WayneL> the site linked in the guide.
#1393 [08:32] <WayneL> amd.com
#1394 [08:32] <WayneL> wait no.
#1395 [08:33] <WayneL> downloadcenter.intel.com
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#1397 [08:36] <Pit> Hi, i forgot my passweord and i cant fin a way to restore/reset it
#1398 [08:36] <GreyVulpine> Pit - http://www.minecraft.net/forgotpass.jsp
#1399 [08:36] <GreyVulpine> WayneL - How much RAM free do you have on the system, do you know?
#1400 [08:37] <Pit> Thank you it was impossible to find taht :/
#1401 [08:37] <GreyVulpine> What you're running is an intel graphics card, GMA500, which is an extremely old card
#1402 [08:37] <GreyVulpine> Even if you could run minecraft, it would run very very slowly.
#1403 [08:39] <WayneL> ...That kinda sucks.
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#1405 [08:40] <WayneL> Where can you see RAM again?
#1406 [08:40] <GreyVulpine> Task manager?
#1407 [08:40] <SLater02> Hello all
#1408 [08:40] <GreyVulpine> 'lo
#1409 [08:41] <WayneL> Hi
#1410 [08:41] <SLater02> Somebody can tell me how contact the official support ?
#1411 [08:41] <SLater02> an email adress or other ?
#1412 [08:41] <GreyVulpine> Concerning what subject?
#1413 [08:42] <SLater02> concerning buy the game i've some particulate problems
#1414 [08:42] <GreyVulpine> What problems?
#1415 [08:43] <SLater02> i've the money to buy it but only with 2 ways of payments Paysafecards with 9€ on and paypal with 5.95€ and i want to buy Minecraft but i want tell to support if they can take this 2 differents payments ...
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#1417 [08:44] <SLater02> i've not a credit card and i can't transfert the PSC money to paypal ... :(
#1418 [08:44] <GreyVulpine> Unfortunately, I don't think they can take Paysafecards. Their only means of payment right now, are paypal and credit cards.
#1419 [08:45] <GreyVulpine> You can try to send an email to payment@mojang.com - but I'm pretty sure they'l tell you the same thing as well
#1420 [08:45] <SLater02> this is the problem ....
#1421 [08:46] <GreyVulpine> Is there any way you can send more money to your paypal account?
#1422 [08:46] <SLater02> however if somebody accept to take paysafe card and a paypal transfert to buy the game for me i agree too but i don't know who ask about that
#1423 [08:46] <GreyVulpine> Maybe link it to your bank account?
#1424 [08:46] <GreyVulpine> Do you have a relative, or a close friend that you can trust that can buy the game for you?
#1425 [08:46] <SLater02> i can't ^^
#1426 [08:47] <WayneL> Totally forgot I was trying to fix things.. So yeah @1.33Ghz
#1427 [08:47] <GreyVulpine> WayneL - How much Muisti is free?
#1428 [08:47] <GreyVulpine> or available
#1429 [08:47] <SLater02> nobody can ^^ that's why i ask you today
#1430 [08:48] <GreyVulpine> Honestly, don't trust anybody on the internet, concerning matters with money. There's been people here that have been scammed.
#1431 [08:48] <SLater02> okey
#1432 [08:49] <GreyVulpine> One guy bought a minecraft account off a forum, and got ripped off days later, when that person reversed payment.
#1433 [08:49] <SLater02> i know i follow news of minecrafts
#1434 [08:49] <SLater02> many account have been steal
#1435 [08:49] <SLater02> ho and srry for my english isn't my native language
#1436 [08:50] <WayneL> 1351 mt usable
#1437 [08:50] <SLater02> i'll try to contact payment@mojang.com
#1438 [08:50] <SLater02> we'll see ...
#1439 [08:51] <SLater02> they speak french a little or I need to speak english in my mail ?
#1440 [08:51] <SLater02> just to be sure ^^
#1441 [08:51] <GreyVulpine> They're from sweden, so I assume no.
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#1443 [08:51] <WayneL> Wait 1351mt is sidefiles..
#1444 [08:52] <SLater02> ok thanks
#1445 [08:52] <guacamole> Cant connect to minecraft.. damn
#1446 [08:53] <GreyVulpine> ?
#1447 [08:53] <WayneL> memory for GMA500 is 8.0 MB estimated.
#1448 [08:53] <WayneL> What was I supposed to tell you?
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#1451 [08:53] <GreyVulpine> How much RAM is free, or available, via the task manager
#1452 [08:53] <guacamole> Is minecraft down for anybody else?
#1453 [08:54] <Squidgyhicken> yes for me its down
#1454 [08:54] <GreyVulpine> No guacamole
#1455 [08:54] <Squidgyhicken> every time i try to connect it says it cant connect to minecraft.net
#1456 [08:54] <guacamole> exactly, kinda suck. now i have to work instead ^^
#1457 [08:54] <GreyVulpine> Try using the in-browser client
#1458 [08:55] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, the downloaded client still works for me
#1459 [08:55] <guacamole> I want to play offline, but I just downloaded a new launcher. and now the client hasnt downloaded the game yet ;)
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#1461 [08:55] <GreyVulpine> Hmm..
#1462 [08:55] <WayneL> 1107M/2442M
#1463 [08:56] <Squidgyhicken> should i remove it and wonload it again?
#1464 [08:56] <Squidgyhicken> download*
#1465 [08:56] <GreyVulpine> guacamole - Could you check your system date, make absolutely sure it's right?
#1466 [08:56] <GreyVulpine> Same for you Squidgyhicken
#1467 [08:56] <guacamole> shit in ass. I tried the webbrowser client and it downloaded the game, so now the offline client works aswell
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#1469 [08:57] <WayneL> 1107M/2442M
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#1471 [08:58] <Badugga> Hey!
#1472 [08:58] <WayneL> Hi overly enthusiastic person!
#1473 [08:58] <GreyVulpine> WayneL - Could you try rebooting your machine, and trying to launch minecraft immediately after?
#1474 [08:58] <GreyVulpine> See if it'll work?
#1475 [08:58] <WayneL> kk.
#1476 [08:59] <Badugga> I have problem with gift codes system =/
#1477 [09:00] <GreyVulpine> What problem?
#1478 [09:00] <Squidgyhicken> okay i tried the browser version and it said i didnt have the required plugins? this has never happened before :s also i just updated them and its still showing the message
#1479 [09:00] <Badugga> I bought the code yesterday... But the processing transaction window didnt change after 8 hours?
#1480 [09:00] <GreyVulpine> Squidgyhicken - Do you have java installed?
#1481 [09:00] <Badugga> and i send email to daniel
#1482 [09:00] <Squidgyhicken> yes i just updated it
#1483 [09:00] <GreyVulpine> Badugga - Hmm.. check your minecraft.net's profile page, see if you find a code in there?
#1484 [09:01] <Badugga> No, i tryed that
#1485 [09:01] <Badugga> But i bought it on another account.
#1486 [09:01] <Badugga> on iTmu
#1487 [09:01] <GreyVulpine> Then check iTmu's profile page
#1488 [09:01] <GreyVulpine> Squidgyhicken - Did you restart your browser after installing java?
#1489 [09:01] <Squidgyhicken> okay never mind it fixed itself
#1490 [09:01] <Squidgyhicken> all is working now :)
#1491 [09:02] <GreyVulpine> Heh, alright then
#1492 [09:02] <Squidgyhicken> thank you for your help
#1493 [09:02] <Badugga> graz =)
#1494 [09:02] <Badugga> Yea, i think im never going to get minecraft...
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#1496 [09:02] <Badugga> This sucks =/
#1497 [09:02] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, what did you pay with?
#1498 [09:02] <Badugga> Visa
#1499 [09:02] <GreyVulpine> Check your visa account, see if it was charged
#1500 [09:02] <Badugga> What if i just send moneys to Notch in sweden :D
#1501 [09:02] <Badugga> it was charged
#1502 [09:03] <Badugga> Is Daniel on vacation?
#1503 [09:03] <GreyVulpine> No
#1504 [09:03] <GreyVulpine> The Mojang team is busy gearing up for an update to the game this week
#1505 [09:03] <Badugga> Because he (no one on Mojang) is answering to my messages =/
#1506 [09:04] <Badugga> or e-mails
#1507 [09:04] <Badugga> Yea...
#1508 [09:04] <GreyVulpine> Have you tried sending an email to payment@mojang.com?
#1509 [09:04] <Badugga> the wolves are going to come
#1510 [09:04] <Badugga> yes
#1511 [09:04] <Badugga> i did
#1512 [09:04] <GreyVulpine> Then, all you can do right now, is wait.
#1513 [09:04] <Badugga> okay =)
#1514 [09:04] <Badugga> Thanks for your help =)
#1515 [09:04] <GreyVulpine> Sure, hope everything works out for you.
#1516 [09:04] <Badugga> Yea :D
#1517 [09:05] <Badugga> NO
#1518 [09:05] <Badugga> FUCKING MIND
#1519 [09:05] <Badugga> i almost thinked about warezing minecraft =S
#1520 [09:05] <Badugga> No way!
#1521 [09:05] <GreyVulpine> Yeah.. don't do that
#1522 [09:06] <Badugga> I just have to play sucking game...
#1523 [09:06] <Badugga> :D
#1524 [09:06] <Badugga> Where are you from?=
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#1526 [09:07] <GreyVulpine> Just be patient, it'll make Minecraft all that much better once you get to playing it
#1527 [09:07] <Badugga> Yes =)
#1528 [09:07] <GreyVulpine> I'm on East coast time, in the US
#1529 [09:07] <Badugga> okay. Im from finland =)
#1530 [09:07] <Badugga> U know finland?
#1531 [09:07] <GreyVulpine> Indeed I do
#1532 [09:08] <Badugga> Cmon daniel...
#1533 [09:08] <Badugga> :D
#1534 [09:08] <Badugga> ill check him out on twitter
#1535 [09:09] <Badugga> Ahh... i love minecraft :D
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#1537 [09:11] <WayneL> Back
#1538 [09:11] <Badugga> Great
#1539 [09:11] <WayneL> Didn't work, btw.
#1540 [09:11] <Badugga> Why Notch is never on Minecrafthelp ;D
#1541 [09:11] <Badugga> or Daniel
#1542 [09:11] <Badugga> What didnt work?
#1543 [09:12] <WayneL> reboot try.| GreyVulpine, you thee
#1544 [09:12] <WayneL> there?
#1545 [09:13] <Badugga> Okay.
#1546 [09:13] <Badugga> What is your problem?
#1547 [09:13] <WayneL> That openGL/bad video card drive thing
#1548 [09:14] <WayneL> Am E-Fin on the forum. Theres the info: http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=39953&start=270
#1549 [09:14] <WayneL> Vulpine was helping and told me to reboot.. Did he go afk?
#1550 [09:15] <Badugga> i Dunno
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#1552 [09:15] <Badugga> Morjensta
#1553 [09:15] <Badugga> So, you are having an OpenGL issue?
#1554 [09:17] <WayneL> Yeah
#1555 [09:18] <Badugga> Didnt find "Accelerated OpenGL Mode?
#1556 [09:18] <WayneL> Uhm, what?
#1557 [09:18] <WayneL> Oh, yeah.
#1558 [09:18] <Badugga> whats the error message?
#1559 [09:18] <WayneL> Click the link
#1560 [09:18] <WayneL> http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=39953&start=270
#1561 [09:18] <Badugga> that one?
#1562 [09:18] <WayneL> I got SS of my systems, the error message, which is can't find accelerated, etc.
#1563 [09:19] <WayneL> yeah.
#1564 [09:19] <Badugga> Umm...
#1565 [09:19] <WayneL> I posted it on the forums in case I get replies to help on.. But sheez, that topic was just shoved to the dead ends.
#1566 [09:19] <Badugga> wait
#1567 [09:19] <Badugga> U have ATI radeon X1200?
#1568 [09:19] <WayneL> ?
#1569 [09:20] <Badugga> the GPU
#1570 [09:20] <Badugga> u have 32 system or 64 bit?
#1571 [09:20] <WayneL> no
#1572 [09:20] <WayneL> bottom of page, E-Fin
#1573 [09:20] <Badugga> E-fin?
#1574 [09:21] <WayneL> Is the user name
#1575 [09:21] <Badugga> Puhutaas ihan vaan suomea
#1576 [09:21] <Badugga> :D
#1577 [09:22] <WayneL> kk =D
#1578 [09:22] <Badugga> Huomasin tosta kun sulla oli suomeksi nuo kuvat.
#1579 [09:23] <WayneL> Juuh. Ei jaksa alkaa vaihtelemaan asetuksia
#1580 [09:23] <Badugga> Ok
#1581 [09:23] <Badugga> OOtas, etin sulle sopivan ajurin tolle sun näyttikselle
#1582 [09:24] <Badugga> onko sul 32 bittinen järjestelmä?
#1583 [09:25] <WayneL> Mm.. Juuh
#1584 [09:26] <Badugga> elikkäs..
#1585 [09:26] <Badugga> http://downloadcenter.intel.com/confirm.aspx?httpDown=http://downloadmirror.intel.com/17992/a08/winxp.zip&lang=eng&Dwnldid=17992
#1586 [09:26] <Badugga> Tuossa sopiva ajuri =)
#1587 [09:26] <Badugga> Sitten vaa hyväksyt ehdot ja asennat
#1588 [09:26] <WayneL> Kokeillaanpa.
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#1590 [09:26] <Badugga> Pitäisi toimia
#1591 [09:26] <WayneL> oon mielestäin tän jo ladannu.
#1592 [09:26] <Badugga> Ai
#1593 [09:26] <Badugga> :D
#1594 [09:26] <Badugga> otoas
#1595 [09:27] <WayneL> juuh, vedetty kertaalleen.
#1596 [09:27] <WayneL> GMA 500 uusin versio on. Chipseteistä en oo varma.
#1597 [09:27] <WayneL> Ei ihan ymmärrys riitä
#1598 [09:28] <Badugga> Selvä
#1599 [09:28] <Badugga> =S
#1600 [09:29] <Badugga> Ehkä tuo gma 500 ei tue opengl
#1601 [09:29] <Badugga> Ois ärsyttävää =S
#1602 [09:29] <WayneL> Voi olla.
#1603 [09:29] <WayneL> Vulpine sano että vaikka toimis, gma500 on niin vanha että ois perhanan hidaskin. D=
#1604 [09:30] <Badugga> Kyllä tukee.
#1605 [09:30] <Badugga> OpenGL 2.0
#1606 [09:30] <Badugga> =/
#1607 [09:30] <Badugga> en nyt tiedä...
#1608 [09:30] <Badugga> Tukee DirectX 10.1
#1609 [09:31] <WayneL> alkaa kohta loppuu fixit tähän..
#1610 [09:32] <Badugga> Odotas.
#1611 [09:32] <Badugga> HAAHAA
#1612 [09:32] <Badugga> http://www.ngcoders.com/downloads/custom-intel-gma-500-xp-drivers-for-netbooks
#1613 [09:32] <Badugga> Löyty!
#1614 [09:33] <Badugga> noi tukee opengl
#1615 [09:33] <Badugga> modatut ajurit
#1616 [09:33] <WayneL> Eiku menoks.
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#1618 [09:33] <Badugga> Hehe =)
#1619 [09:34] <Badugga> Otin ton vielä minecraftin pelaajan topicista
#1620 [09:34] <WayneL> D=
#1621 [09:34] <Badugga> Ja se sai intel gma500 toimii tollee =)
#1622 [09:34] <Badugga> oli sama error ku sul
#1623 [09:34] <WayneL> kiva.. Just tajusin että mun lempi pelit päättyy kaikki sanaan craft muuten.. Warcraft, Starcraft ja Minecraft.
#1624 [09:35] <WayneL> mitä helkuttia. D=
#1625 [09:35] <Badugga> Hehe :D
#1626 [09:35] <Badugga> Latasit?
#1627 [09:35] <WayneL> ja purin..
#1628 [09:35] <Badugga> Huva =)
#1629 [09:35] <WayneL> ja käynnistän.
#1630 [09:35] <Badugga> Peukut pystyy
#1631 [09:36] <Badugga> ja sit reseet koneen.
#1632 [09:36] <Badugga> sitten tuut tänne
#1633 [09:36] <Badugga> ja kokeilet toimiiiko minecraft =)
#1634 [09:36] <WayneL> Ja kun ei toimi niin nappaan tän koneen ja paiskaan seinään ja siitä ulos parvekkeelta.
#1635 [09:36] <Badugga> :D
#1636 [09:36] <Badugga> Ei toimi?
#1637 [09:37] <WayneL> ei tiiä vielä.
#1638 [09:37] <Badugga> ai
#1639 [09:37] <WayneL> Asentaa vasta
#1640 [09:37] <Badugga> Luulin et feilas :D
#1641 [09:37] <Badugga> Mulla taas ei ole minecraftia...
#1642 [09:37] <Badugga> koska Mojang feilas =(
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#1644 [09:41] <Badugga> asentu?
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#1647 [09:42] <mib_1kam9l> GAWD DAMN IT
#1648 [09:43] <mib_1kam9l> tarkoittaen siis että ei toiminut
#1649 [09:44] <Badugga> aha
#1650 [09:44] <Badugga> höh
#1651 [09:44] <Badugga> =/
#1652 [09:44] <mib_1kam9l> Mmh
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#1654 [09:44] <mib_1kam9l> En saa nyt täl selain MIrcilkään nickiä takas
#1655 [09:45] <Badugga> ok =/
#1656 [09:45] <Badugga> Harmillista...
#1657 [09:45] <Badugga> Päivitä kaikki chipsetit
#1658 [09:45] <mib_1kam9l> En oo varma mihin
#1659 [09:45] <mib_1kam9l> Voitko hakee mulle?
#1660 [09:47] <Badugga> =/
#1661 [09:47] <Badugga> en tiedä
#1662 [09:49] <mib_1kam9l> VULPINE, YE THERE?
#1663 [09:49] <mib_1kam9l> Harmillista tää tosiaan.
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#1668 [09:54] <Three> hi
#1669 [09:54] <Three> i have a question about minecraft
#1670 [09:55] <Three> does it work with mac op?
#1671 [09:56] <Three> does mincraft work on mac?
#1672 [09:57] <Three> minecraft*
#1673 [09:57] <Three> hey
#1674 [09:57] <Three> Shnaw:
#1675 [09:57] <Three> could you answer my question
#1676 [09:57] <Badugga> jep =/
#1677 [09:58] <Badugga> yes it is working =)
#1678 [09:58] <Three> does minecraft work on mac?
#1679 [09:58] <Badugga> You can play the raw jar version, i think?=
#1680 [09:58] <Badugga> Yes
#1681 [09:58] <Three> kk
#1682 [09:58] <Badugga> Wait, ill check it
#1683 [09:58] <Three> how would i get that
#1684 [09:58] <Three> oh okay
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#1686 [09:59] <WayneL> Hi!
#1687 [10:00] <WayneL> Am back~
#1688 [10:00] <WayneL> And minecraft still doesn't work!
#1689 [10:00] <Badugga> Hiya
#1690 [10:00] <Badugga> =(
#1691 [10:00] <Three> what about the out-dated free version
#1692 [10:00] <Three> Badugga:
#1693 [10:00] <WayneL> pixel format error, same thing.
#1694 [10:00] <WayneL> pixel acceleration*
#1695 [10:00] <Badugga> =/
#1696 [10:01] <Three> how can i play minecraft free on my mac
#1697 [10:01] <Three> the old version i mean
#1698 [10:02] <Badugga> Oh...
#1699 [10:02] <Badugga> You can download the jar version of the game =)
#1700 [10:02] <WayneL> http://www.minecraft.net/ <- or play in browser
#1701 [10:02] <Three> where?
#1702 [10:02] <Three> okay, for free?
#1703 [10:02] <WayneL> http://www.minecraft.net/ <- same link
#1704 [10:02] <Three> i want to try it first
#1705 [10:03] <WayneL> I don't think there are any more fixes for my OpenGL
#1706 [10:03] <WayneL> Am gonna bash my head in somewhere
#1707 [10:03] <Three> i don't see the JAR version
#1708 [10:04] <Three> where can i find it
#1709 [10:04] <Badugga> Google it.
#1710 [10:04] <Three> pkay
#1711 [10:04] <WayneL> http://www.minecraft.net/download.jsp
#1712 [10:05] <WayneL> gawd
#1713 [10:07] <Badugga> Hei!
#1714 [10:07] <Badugga> Kokeile lataa toi linux versio
#1715 [10:07] <Badugga> Se saattas toimii!"
#1716 [10:12] <WayneL> linkki?
#1717 [10:12] <WayneL> vai tarkotatko .jar?
#1718 [10:12] <WayneL> Koska eiks me jo kokeiltu sitä?
#1719 [10:12] <WayneL> Eiku kokeilin sitä ton Vulpinen kaa..
#1720 [10:12] <WayneL> Ja itekki aiemmin
#1721 [10:13] <Three> hey
#1722 [10:13] <Three> i downloaded it for mac
#1723 [10:13] <Three> but
#1724 [10:13] <Badugga> Good =)
#1725 [10:13] <Badugga> is it working?
#1726 [10:13] <Three> i have to have a premium acount to launch it
#1727 [10:13] <Badugga> yes, its the beta...
#1728 [10:13] <Three> i want a free version
#1729 [10:13] <Three> to rty it first
#1730 [10:14] <Three> try*
#1731 [10:14] <Badugga> Wait
#1732 [10:14] <Three> kk
#1733 [10:15] <Badugga> http://tinyurl.com/4nfe3gh
#1734 [10:15] <Badugga> Here
#1735 [10:15] <Three> thanx
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#1737 [10:16] <WayneL> classic = alpha?
#1738 [10:16] <berra> #help
#1739 [10:16] <WayneL> Hi..
#1740 [10:18] <Badugga> No
#1741 [10:18] <WayneL> I srsly need someone to tell me what to do..
#1742 [10:19] <Badugga> Its Classic = classic :D
#1743 [10:19] <Badugga> alpha -> beta
#1744 [10:19] <WayneL> D=
#1745 [10:19] <Three> there were no download links there for the classic version :(
#1746 [10:20] <Badugga> OH MY GOD
#1747 [10:20] <Three> its so wierd that there is no download link for the classic version
#1748 [10:20] <Three> lol
#1749 [10:21] <Three> rage quit
#1750 [10:21] <xolotl> Right, I think classic is only available via the browser at the moment
#1751 [10:24] <Katzuyu> Hello, i've seen white stone plats that are half a block height, and need 2 to make 1 full block, how can i make one of those?
#1752 [10:24] <xolotl> Katzuyu: http://lmmcwtfy.com/?n=1&q=slabs
#1753 [10:25] <Three> well i try to open it in the browser
#1754 [10:26] <Three> and it is just blank
#1755 [10:26] <Katzuyu> Thank you xolotl
#1756 [10:26] <Three> it sais that you need java
#1757 [10:26] <Three> but i have the latest version of java
#1758 [10:26] <Three> java comes with MAC
#1759 [10:26] <xolotl> Three: Does the java plugin show up in "about:plugins" ?
#1760 [10:26] <xolotl> (assuming your browser supports about:plugins, anyway)
#1761 [10:26] <Three> do you have a mac?
#1762 [10:27] <xolotl> Nope
#1763 [10:27] <xolotl> My advice still stands, though. :)
#1764 [10:27] <Three> then i need someone who has a mac
#1765 [10:27] <Three> lol
#1766 [10:27] <xolotl> You might want to look at installing a better VM than the one that comes with Mac, though
#1767 [10:27] <Three> sorry though
#1768 [10:27] <Three> java
#1769 [10:27] <xolotl> I seem to think that you can get a 1.6 JVM so long as you're on the Intel arch
#1770 [10:27] <Three> woops
#1771 [10:27] <WayneL> anyone wanna help with openGL?
#1772 [10:27] <Three> sorry
#1773 [10:28] <WayneL> I got two guys to disappear cos of they tried to fix it.. Are you brave enough to accept the challenge?
#1774 [10:28] <WayneL> OpenGL/BadVideoCardDrive problem.
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#1776 [10:28] <NeXXor> hey dudes
#1777 [10:29] <WayneL> Hi
#1778 [10:29] <xolotl> Three: http://landonf.bikemonkey.org/static/soylatte/ <- that's what I was thinking of re: JVM; you could give it a try, anyway
#1779 [10:29] <Three> kk
#1780 [10:30] <NeXXor> i have a short question (i ask me this for 3 weeks now^^) what does "seed for the world generation" mean (when i build a new world) ?
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#1782 [10:30] <xolotl> NeXXor: The short answer: you can safely ignore it
#1783 [10:30] <xolotl> NeXXor: The longer version: http://mojang.com/2011/02/23/a-short-demystification-of-the-map-seed/
#1784 [10:30] <NeXXor> very thx ;)
#1785 [10:31] <Three> it wont load :P
#1786 [10:31] <xolotl> NeXXor: np
#1787 [10:31] <Three> ohh well
#1788 [10:31] <Three> ill just never buy it
#1789 [10:31] <Three> :'(
#1790 [10:31] <WayneL> http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=39953&start=270 <- anyone wanna help? Bottom of page, posts by E-Fin
#1791 [10:34] <cliff101> hi im having syntax problem with /give name diamond block
#1792 [10:35] <cliff101> but i can give commands like /give name dirt 1
#1793 [10:36] <xolotl> cliff101: That sounds like a command provided by Bukkit; you should check in #bukkit instead
#1794 [10:36] <cliff101> k
#1795 [10:39] <WayneL> Help?
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#1797 [10:42] <WayneL> sheez..
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#1804 [10:56] <WayneL> ...
#1805 [10:56] <WayneL> Can anyone help? video card accelerator problem?
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#1821 [11:41] <Araewuir> hi, how do you install mods on linux please ? Oo
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#1825 [11:49] <fluffhead> I'm new to running a MC server. Everything is setup and looks good. I'm wondering fi there's a de-fact or "best" plugin to use to view maps of your world?
#1826 [11:49] <GreyVulpine> Depends on what you really want
#1827 [11:49] <GreyVulpine> c10t is still widely used and loved
#1828 [11:49] <GreyVulpine> Dynmap, is a bukkit plugin that offers real-time tracking via a googlemaps API
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#1830 [11:50] <GreyVulpine> There's quite a few others
#1831 [11:50] <fluffhead> interesting, thanks for the tips GreyVulpine, ill check those out
#1832 [11:50] <GreyVulpine> Tectonicus.. I don't remember the exact spelling, offers pretty nice graphics
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#1835 [11:51] <xolotl> pigmap is supposed to be very fast
#1836 [11:51] <WayneL> Hi
#1837 [11:51] <DeliciousPig> Can someone give me some assistance with minecraft crashing due to a video driver on Ubuntu 10.10?
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#1839 [11:54] <BarryCarlyon> xolotl: it is but doesn't do it to as a high a quality as minecraft-overviewer.
#1840 [11:54] <BarryCarlyon> I use overviewer for google maps, and c10t for a top down view.
#1841 [11:56] <DeliciousPig> Is there anyone here who knows anything about minecraft crashing with the FLGRX video driver on Ubuntu 10.10?
#1842 [11:58] <WayneL> Seems not.
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#1844 [12:02] <GreyVulpine> Ah, yeah DeliciousPig, unfortunately, it's a rather known problem with certain ATI cards and *nix
#1845 [12:02] <GreyVulpine> Rather lengthy report, with other people reporting it as well, here: http://getsatisfaction.com/mojang/topics/ubuntu_sun_java_ati_hd5850_fglrx_drivers_crash
#1846 [12:03] <WayneL> *Pokes Vulp* Hi again.
#1847 [12:04] <GreyVulpine> Oh, hi.
#1848 [12:04] <WayneL> The reboot didn't work.
#1849 [12:04] <WayneL> D= Nothing has worked.
#1850 [12:04] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, then I'm sorry, Even with a fresh reboot then, that means either you've got not enough RAM free, or that your video card is just too old to handle minecraft
#1851 [12:05] <WayneL> I checked the videocard.
#1852 [12:05] <WayneL> the 500model supports OpenGL2.0 and Dx's 9.0
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#1854 [12:05] <GreyVulpine> Alright.. let's try this then. Remember that .bat file you made?
#1855 [12:05] <WayneL> Yeah
#1856 [12:05] <GreyVulpine> Right click on it, and choose "Edit"
#1857 [12:06] <GreyVulpine> It'll open up in notepad
#1858 [12:06] <GreyVulpine> What I had you write in there was:
#1859 [12:06] <GreyVulpine> java -Xmx1024M -Xms512M -cp Minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame
#1860 [12:06] <GreyVulpine> er
#1861 [12:06] <GreyVulpine> java -Xmx256M -Xms256M -cp Minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame
#1862 [12:06] <GreyVulpine> Change it to
#1863 [12:06] <GreyVulpine> java -Xmx64M -Xms64M -cp Minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame
#1864 [12:06] <GreyVulpine> And see if you can launch it
#1865 [12:06] <GreyVulpine> (with the .bat file)
#1866 [12:07] <WayneL> nope.
#1867 [12:07] <WayneL> How much RAM do you need to run minecraft?
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#1869 [12:08] <GreyVulpine> At least 512 megs free, 1 gig preferable
#1870 [12:09] <GreyVulpine> The problem is, most of those intel graphics siphon off RAM to use, and since your system only has 1 gig of RAM to start with, minus the stuff the operating system reserves, minus the programs that you have open..
#1871 [12:10] <GreyVulpine> If it doesn't work, even with reserving only 64 megs for Minecraft, that means that video card isn't capable of handling minecraft, or the drivers aren't right, or you don't have 64 megs of RAM free.
#1872 [12:11] <WayneL> atm I got 990megs free
#1873 [12:11] <GreyVulpine> Then the first two.
#1874 [12:12] <WayneL> no wait, I was using 990megs
#1875 [12:12] <WayneL> I'm now using 1530 when trying to run minecraft out of 2441
#1876 [12:13] <WayneL> So yeah, is there anything I can do?
#1877 [12:13] <GreyVulpine> Wait, you're using 990 megs of RAM?
#1878 [12:14] <WayneL> I was using. When running minecraft it jumped to 1500
#1879 [12:14] <GreyVulpine> Weren't you launching minecraft with the launch.bat file?
#1880 [12:14] <WayneL> I was, but I closed that after it failed
#1881 [12:15] <GreyVulpine> If the .bat file won't work, then launching the file from minecraft.net won't work either
#1882 [12:15] <GreyVulpine> It'll try and reserve more RAM than you have free
#1883 [12:15] <GreyVulpine> Try the drivers from Acer.
#1884 [12:15] <GreyVulpine> http://us.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/drivers
#1885 [12:16] <GreyVulpine> Select "Netbook" -> "Aspire One" -> "AO751h"
#1886 [12:16] <GreyVulpine> It'll drop down a list, look for the VGA - Intel drivers
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#1888 [12:17] <GreyVulpine> Download and try installing those. They're the ones Acer recommends for your netbook
#1889 [12:17] <WayneL> kk
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#1893 [12:21] <Araewuir> hi, how do you install mods on Linux please , Oo
#1894 [12:21] <GreyVulpine> Depends on the mod
#1895 [12:21] <Araewuir> ^^'
#1896 [12:22] <Araewuir> planes
#1897 [12:22] <Araewuir> I also heard of one fulling your bag with items such as cobblestone
#1898 [12:22] <GreyVulpine> Got a link to the mod?
#1899 [12:22] <Araewuir> yep
#1900 [12:23] <Araewuir> it seems like all of them need "ModLoader v5", how can i get it ?
#1901 [12:24] <WayneL> "The minium system requiments are not met"
#1902 [12:25] <GreyVulpine> http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=80246
#1903 [12:25] <Araewuir> thx
#1904 [12:25] <WayneL> ignore that one, It seems I downloaded the wrong file.
#1905 [12:26] <WayneL> there are no VGA-intel's for windows xp home edition.
#1906 [12:26] <Araewuir> I already saw it but couldn't install it
#1907 [12:27] <Araewuir> (@GryVulpine)
#1908 [12:27] <WayneL> only intel driver is chipset
#1909 [12:27] <GreyVulpine> WayneL - Did you scroll down?
#1910 [12:28] <GreyVulpine> Araewuir - Why can't you install it?
#1911 [12:28] <WayneL> My glasses need a fix.
#1912 [12:28] <DeliciousPig> GreyVulpine, i have visited the topic shown and followed up on the one solution i could find (even checking the links posted on the GS topic), but it didn't help, is there nothing more i can do?
#1913 [12:29] <Araewuir> @GreyVulpine - when I copy the files, if I lunch Minecraft, after i loggin it just displays a black screen
#1914 [12:29] <GreyVulpine> DeliciousPig - Yeah, unfortunately, there really isn't a good solution for it yet
#1915 [12:29] <GreyVulpine> We've had a number of people pass by here with the fglrx problem as well.
#1916 [12:29] <GreyVulpine> Araewuir - How are you copying the files?
#1917 [12:30] <DeliciousPig> Righto, thanks for your help mate
#1918 [12:30] <Araewuir> well...right into the .minecraft/bin/minecraft.jar, as said
#1919 [12:31] <GreyVulpine> Okay, and did you delete the meta-inf folder inside minecraft.jar?
#1920 [12:31] <Araewuir> yep
#1921 [12:32] <Araewuir> I'll try again, just to be shure
#1922 [12:32] <GreyVulpine> Make sure that the .minecraft/bin/minecraft.jar is not the same minecraft.jar you get from the website.
#1923 [12:33] <GreyVulpine> The minecraft.jar from the website is the launcher, you don't modify anything in there, just use it to run minecraft
#1924 [12:33] <GreyVulpine> To install mods, you use .minecraft/bin/minecraft.jar, replace files in there, and delete the meta-inf folder
#1925 [12:34] <Araewuir> done
#1926 [12:34] <GreyVulpine> Try minecraft now
#1927 [12:34] <Araewuir> it works
#1928 [12:34] <GreyVulpine> Great
#1929 [12:34] <Araewuir> \(^o^)/
#1930 [12:34] <Araewuir> how do I install mods now ?
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#1932 [12:35] <GreyVulpine> Same process, if that mod requires modloader, you now have modloader installed in .minecraft/bin/minecraft.jar
#1933 [12:35] <GreyVulpine> Each plugin has its own installation instructions
#1934 [12:36] <Araewuir> ...do you meen I copy the files downloaded in the .minecraft/bin/minecraft.jar
#1935 [12:36] <Araewuir> and that's it ?
#1936 [12:36] <GreyVulpine> No, the plugin will have its own files, usually you copy them into .minecraft/bin/minecraft.jar as well
#1937 [12:37] <GreyVulpine> But look at the instructions, they'll tell you what you need to do
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#1939 [12:38] <Araewuir> thank you a lot !
#1940 [12:38] <Araewuir> \(^o^)/
#1941 [12:38] <GreyVulpine> Sure
#1942 [12:39] <WayneL> Finally installing it
#1943 [12:39] <WayneL> And it says my computer has a newer version.
#1944 [12:40] <WayneL> 6.14.11.1018 on my comp, 6.14.11.1012 is what I'm about to install
#1945 [12:42] <WayneL> Should I just go with it?
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#1947 [12:42] <GreyVulpine> I honestly don't know what to tell you. Even if you do get minecraft working, The amount of RAM you have on that netbook is what's suffocating your intel graphics, and not letting it work right. Even if you install more RAM, you won't be running minecraft smoothly because that video card is just really really old.
#1948 [12:43] <GreyVulpine> You can try, but minecraft does require more resources than what that netbook can give out right now
#1949 [12:44] <WayneL> So to play I gotta get out my old desktop
#1950 [12:44] <WayneL> Great.. :/
#1951 [12:44] <GreyVulpine> Really your only option is to play it on a different computer
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#1953 [12:44] <WayneL> Okay. You've been a great help. Thanks a lot.
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#1958 [12:53] <KCMMGuest> hi! i just downloaded homebrew for the first time and i've got gecko and ocarina, but i dont know where to save my brawl hacks on the sd card. can someone help?
#1959 [12:53] <GreyVulpine> This.. is a minecraft help channel.
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#1961 [12:53] <aetherian> I told you never mind...
#1962 [12:53] <BarryCarlyon> lol
#1963 [12:53] <aetherian> oh he left
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#1965 [12:54] <aetherian> well, he's gone. back to whatever I was doing
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#1967 [12:54] <p3lb0x> Hey there guys!
#1968 [12:54] <p3lb0x> I am looking to change the email on my minecraft account, is that possible?
#1969 [12:55] <aetherian> no, I don't think so...?
#1970 [12:55] <GreyVulpine> No it isn't.
#1971 [12:55] <GreyVulpine> Not at this time
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#1976 [13:04] <KnightofIronStar> hya guys
#1977 [13:04] <GreyVulpine> 'lo
#1978 [13:04] <KnightofIronStar> I REALLY need help >_<
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#1980 [13:04] <GreyVulpine> With?
#1981 [13:04] <KnightofIronStar> a freind was helping me download a couple of Mods, but then Minecraft wouldn't run so we deleted them but now the game still won't run
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#1983 [13:05] <KnightofIronStar> it just says updating, the green bar won't move & it says it's done updating
#1984 [13:05] <GreyVulpine> Using the launcher, go to the options button, then select "force game update", then relaunch
#1985 [13:05] <KnightofIronStar> what about the browser?
#1986 [13:06] <GreyVulpine> Are you not able to use the downloaded client?
#1987 [13:06] <GreyVulpine> If not, then tell me what operating system you're on
#1988 [13:06] <KnightofIronStar> hmmm
#1989 [13:07] <KnightofIronStar> well it's downloading something now
#1990 [13:07] <KnightofIronStar> Windows 7 Ultimate
#1991 [13:07] <GreyVulpine> ?? win/reinst
#1992 [13:07] <VoxelHead> win/reinst: You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#1993 [13:07] <VoxelHead> win/reinst: To do so, press Win+R, type in %AppData%, and press Enter. In the window that appears, open the .minecraft directory, and delete the bin directory that you see therein. Then, try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
#1994 [13:07] <GreyVulpine> Try that
#1995 [13:07] <KnightofIronStar> thanks
#1996 [13:07] <KnightofIronStar> I'm gonna let it update first
#1997 [13:07] <KnightofIronStar> the only reason I even play it on my browser is because playing it from my desktop is very crashy
#1998 [13:08] <GreyVulpine> crashy?
#1999 [13:08] <KnightofIronStar> yeah, I keep getting Java Error Messages
#2000 [13:08] <GreyVulpine> Mind sharing one of those messages via pastebin.com?
#2001 [13:09] <KnightofIronStar> I think it was java.exe binary or something
#2002 [13:09] <KnightofIronStar> anyway, I've gotten it to work, thanks
#2003 [13:10] <KnightofIronStar> I just wish I could've gotten the bi-plane & blimp mods too work :(
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#2005 [13:11] <KnightofIronStar> thanks again for the help, cya later
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#2008 [13:21] <p3lb0x> Goddamn, I am just gonna make a new account before I purchase Minecraft then! Onwards!
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#2013 [13:41] <mitpatterson> hey VoxelHead how are you?
#2014 [13:41] <mitpatterson> vox are you alright?
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#2016 [13:42] <mitpatterson> VoxelHead, are you alright?
#2017 [13:42] <mitpatterson> VoxelHead decloack
#2018 [13:42] <mitpatterson> VoxelHead decloak
#2019 [13:43] <LG_Legacy> You done?
#2020 [13:43] <mitpatterson> lol
#2021 [13:44] <LG_Legacy> Stop spamming him.
#2022 [13:44] <mitpatterson> he borked again, lol
#2023 [13:44] <LG_Legacy> I forgot how to work him. Ask Kealper or Xales
#2024 [13:44] <mitpatterson> lol
#2025 [13:44] <mitpatterson> vox courtmartial LG_Legacy
#2026 [13:44] <mitpatterson> see if that works....
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#2028 [13:46] <NRZI> Hi
#2029 [13:47] <NRZI> I tried to build a pez cart dispenser today. Does someone know if they have stopped working after Beta 1.3? The 2 first cart to stack stacked inside each other
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#2031 [13:51] <zippity> hey
#2032 [13:51] <zippity> can anybody help me?
#2033 [13:52] <mitpatterson> zippity, you haven't told us what you need help with
#2034 [13:52] <zippity> ok
#2035 [13:52] <zippity> i have a problem with minecraft classic
#2036 [13:52] <zippity> i runned the game a few weeks
#2037 [13:53] <zippity> but now i cant connct on any server in minecraft classic
#2038 [13:53] <mitpatterson> ummm, i'm not sure on at...... and since classic is free...... just stick around a few minutes mabey someone else knows
#2039 [13:54] <zippity> alway "conncting", the nothing an a error - no connection - maybe server is offline
#2040 [13:55] <zippity> hmmm ok i will try
#2041 [13:55] <zippity> but th ;)
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#2043 [14:00] <dominus11> can someone help me get my .exe to run
#2044 [14:02] <dominus11> does this work?
#2045 [14:02] <dominus11> is anyone on
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#2050 [14:12] <SerrIV> 'sup
#2051 [14:12] <SerrIV> hello
#2052 [14:12] <SerrIV> Is this also a support channel for server hosting?
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#2054 [14:13] <xolotl> SerrIV: Yep, though note that if you run plugins you might be better served in #bukkit
#2055 [14:13] <Morrolan> SerrIV: If you want to host a server using bukkit hop over to #bukkit, else ask here. :)
#2056 [14:13] <Rorschach> Hey, I need help with buying Minecraft. It keeps giving me errors.
#2057 [14:14] <SerrIV> It's just the plain server that is downloadable from the site :)
#2058 [14:15] <Rorschach> Can anyone help me? =(
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#2060 [14:15] <DjM1zw1z> hello
#2061 [14:15] <GreyVulpine> 'lo
#2062 [14:15] <Morrolan> Rorschach: Might want to tell us the error first. ;)
#2063 [14:16] <SerrIV> I'm trying to host a server for me and friends to play on an offline LAN without internet, but we keep bumping eachother off the server when we login
#2064 [14:16] <GreyVulpine> Unfortunately, you can't do it offline.
#2065 [14:16] <Morrolan> SerrIV: Have both of you payed for your account?
#2066 [14:16] <SerrIV> Yes we have.
#2067 [14:16] <GreyVulpine> Without authenticating to minecraft, the name that you join in as, is "player". Each time one of you joins with "player", you bump off the other person with "player"
#2068 [14:17] <SerrIV> That's quite... a shame
#2069 [14:17] <GreyVulpine> The solution to this, is to have it online, but only for the purposes of logging into minecraft.net with your client.
#2070 [14:17] <SerrIV> It's on a closed LAN, with no internet, for the purpose of killing time between competitions
#2071 [14:17] <Rorschach> Morrolan, I put in my CC info and everything then I click "Pay Now" then it brings me to a white page that says VerifyEasy Error Expected Parameters missing data currency.
#2072 [14:18] <SerrIV> Essentially there's no way to run it in full offline MP
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#2074 [14:18] <SerrIV> if everyone defaults to 'player' when playing offline
#2075 [14:18] <xolotl> SerrIV: Yeah, it's quite annoying
#2076 [14:18] <Morrolan> ServvIV: There used to be a why which involved using a memory editor to change the name with which you'll log in. No idea if that is still working though, and if it does, then no idea how.
#2077 [14:19] <Morrolan> used to be a way*
#2078 [14:19] <xolotl> SerrIV: One thing you CAN do that does work is to set the server to be in offline mode, and have your clients temporarily connect to the internet once to authenticate when Minecraft starts up
#2079 [14:19] <xolotl> SerrIV: Then so long as nobody quits the minecraft client, they'll still be able to connect to the server as their Real username
#2080 [14:19] <mitpatterson> it would be nice if there was a way to like get a "token" thats good for X number of hours or days in offline mode(for travel ect)
#2081 [14:19] <Morrolan> Would be too easy to create fake tokens.
#2082 [14:20] <mitpatterson> possibly...
#2083 [14:20] <xolotl> SerrIV: So you just need to go find some public wifi somewhere quick, do the auth, and then not worry about it
#2084 [14:20] <SerrIV> Yeah, basically it's a no go then :)
#2085 [14:20] <mitpatterson> unless the token had to be authenticiated on the computer first, but just made it so you could shut down the client and stuff
#2086 [14:20] <Rorschach> Morrolan: did you see my message above?
#2087 [14:20] <xolotl> SerrIV: I agree it's quite annoying. I wish that there was a "real" offline mode
#2088 [14:21] <Morrolan> Rorschach: Yea sorry, no idea what this means, might have to wait for someone to respond who's seen this error before.
#2089 [14:21] <GreyVulpine> What's the error?
#2090 [14:21] <Morrolan> <Rorschach> Morrolan, I put in my CC info and everything then I click "Pay Now" then it brings me to a white page that says VerifyEasy Error Expected Parameters missing data currency.
#2091 [14:21] <GreyVulpine> Ah, hmm. Try using paypal to pay
#2092 [14:22] <Rorschach> Oh, didn't see that option... Thanks, I'll try it.
#2093 [14:23] <xolotl> SerrIV: Alernatively you could write a Minecraft protocol proxy which would alter the initial handshake packets to include whatever name you want. :)
#2094 [14:23] <xolotl> (come to think of it, possibly someone's already put one out there)
#2095 [14:23] <mitpatterson> lol
#2096 [14:23] <Morrolan> There used to be atleast one alternative logging system, but I don't think it's updated anymore.
#2097 [14:23] <Morrolan> login system*
#2098 [14:23] <Rorschach> I just hope they didn't charge me for the 3+ times I tried using my credit card. lol
#2099 [14:23] <mitpatterson> so does minecraft get pirated a lot? like how easy is it for people to do so?(i have a legal copy)
#2100 [14:23] <GreyVulpine> Yes, and pretty easily
#2101 [14:24] <Morrolan> Rorschach: If you did get charged more than once just send an email to payment@mojang.com
#2102 [14:24] <mitpatterson> one of my friends yesterday says he does that, and i scolded him for that
#2103 [14:24] <Morrolan> ^^
#2104 [14:24] <Morrolan> Ah well, he'll buy it as soon as he wants to try out SMP.
#2105 [14:25] <mitpatterson> what is SMP stand for? i hear it said all the time
#2106 [14:25] <Morrolan> Survival multiplayer
#2107 [14:25] <SerrIV> survival multiplayer
#2108 [14:25] <Rorschach> Alright. Thanks, Morrolan.
#2109 [14:25] <Morrolan> You're welcome.
#2110 [14:25] <Morrolan> Well, I really gotta go now, work is waiting. :(
#2111 [14:26] <mitpatterson> oh.... i think he mentioned that the person who did the torrent or what ever has a server or something.... is it possible to play a pirated version like that?
#2112 [14:26] <GreyVulpine> With it pointing to a seperate, independent auth server,yes
#2113 [14:26] <mitpatterson> ah
#2114 [14:26] <mitpatterson> so what people spoof the minecraft auth servers?
#2115 [14:27] <xolotl> mitpatterson: That, or just mod the client so it doesn't auth in the first place
#2116 [14:27] <mitpatterson> lol
#2117 [14:27] <GreyVulpine> That's one solution, yes. Another solution is to modify the client so it 'auths'
#2118 [14:27] <GreyVulpine> Then use a hamachi lan to connect over
#2119 [14:27] <GreyVulpine> er, lan = VPN
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#2121 [14:27] <mitpatterson> its amazing the lenghs people will go to just to not pay ~$20
#2122 [14:28] <Rorschach> It's an indie game too! People should support Mojang!
#2123 [14:28] <mitpatterson> granted, how much has notch made off this game already?(i saw somewhere)
#2124 [14:28] <GreyVulpine> I've seen three main reasons. To "test it out", "It's a beta game, it should be free." and "Notch is a millionare, he doesn't care"
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#2127 [14:32] <mitpatterson> be back in a bit, gotta do some accounting
#2128 [14:33] <aetherian> a counting we will go...
#2129 [14:34] <mitpatterson> you wanta do it for me?
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#2131 [14:34] <aetherian> why sure
#2132 [14:34] <aetherian> don
#2133 [14:34] <mitpatterson> lol;
#2134 [14:34] <aetherian> *don't mind me when I seem to think 2+2=5
#2135 [14:35] <mitpatterson> lmao
#2136 [14:35] <mitpatterson> VoxelHead decloak
#2137 [14:35] <aetherian> vox is away
#2138 [14:35] <mitpatterson> yah, why?
#2139 [14:35] <mitpatterson> hes a bot, he doesn't go "away"
#2140 [14:35] <aetherian> divx
#2141 [14:35] <aetherian> that's his away message
#2142 [14:35] <mitpatterson> ??
#2143 [14:35] <mitpatterson> whats that meaN?
#2144 [14:35] <mitpatterson> hes watching a movie?
#2145 [14:36] <aetherian> divided by x
#2146 [14:36] <aetherian> :o
#2147 [14:36] <mitpatterson> lol, oh
#2148 [14:36] <mitpatterson> hopefully x didn't equal 0
#2149 [14:38] <mitpatterson> no one?
#2150 [14:39] <aetherian> ha. ha.
#2151 [14:47] <SerrIV> Such a shame :(
#2152 [14:48] <SerrIV> would've been fun to make a huge world at a 30 people lan party :p
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#2158 [15:01] <DopeGhoti> hey, Vox!
#2159 [15:01] <mitpatterson> he died again
#2160 [15:01] <mitpatterson> he hates us
#2161 [15:03] * DopeGhoti gives Vox some cofftt
#2161 [15:03] <DopeGhoti> ,,
#2162 [15:03] <VoxelHead> ;)
#2163 [15:03] * VoxelHead shares with Iguana
#2163 [15:03] * DopeGhoti gives Vox some coffee
#2163 [15:03] <mitpatterson> lol
#2164 [15:03] <VoxelHead> Cheers.
#2165 [15:03] <VoxelHead> mmmmm...
#2166 [15:03] * VoxelHead drinks the coffee ^_^
#2166 [15:04] <mitpatterson> DopeGhoti, did you have to fix him? or did he just come back on his own?
#2167 [15:04] <mitpatterson> VoxelHead courtmartial VoxelHead
#2168 [15:04] * VoxelHead finishes the coffee
#2168 [15:04] <VoxelHead> mmmm... thanks :)
#2169 [15:04] <VoxelHead> Duh.
#2170 [15:05] <mitpatterson> VoxelHead courtmartial DopeGhoti
#2171 [15:05] * VoxelHead throws DopeGhoti in the brig to await charges
#2171 [15:05] <DopeGhoti> mitpatterson: someone told vox to shut up, so it did.
#2172 [15:05] <mitpatterson> lol
#2173 [15:05] <mitpatterson> they said shut up? or the "cloak"?
#2174 [15:05] <VoxelHead> DopeGhoti, you are charged with having sex with the USS Enterprise, and phase-shifting a shuttle.
#2175 [15:05] <VoxelHead> You have been found innocent, have a nice day.
#2176 [15:05] * DopeGhoti escapes in his phase-shiftes shuttle
#2176 [15:06] <DopeGhoti> (did I type that out loud?)
#2177 [15:06] <mitpatterson> lol
#2178 [15:06] <mitpatterson> so does shut up make him? or was it the "cloak" thingy?
#2179 [15:08] <DopeGhoti> vox will listen when told to 'shut up' or 'be quiet' or 'go away', and a few other similar directives
#2180 [15:08] <mitpatterson> how do you get him back?
#2181 [15:08] <DopeGhoti> Wait.
#2182 [15:08] <mitpatterson> oh, you can't say like "comeback vox, i'm sorry" or anything?
#2183 [15:08] <VoxelHead> *ponders*
#2184 [15:08] <VoxelHead> mitpatterson: anything
#2185 [15:09] <DopeGhoti> Vox is too sulky to listen to such entreaties sometimes.
#2186 [15:09] <mitpatterson> what vox?
#2187 [15:09] <VoxelHead> cold
#2188 [15:09] <DopeGhoti> Voxel, how cold?
#2189 [15:09] <mitpatterson> ok vox, i'll tell DopeGhoti to get you a blanket
#2190 [15:09] <VoxelHead> give it a push
#2191 [15:09] <Zemedelphos> Vox is awesome.
#2192 [15:09] * DopeGhoti gives Vox a push
#2192 [15:09] <mitpatterson> VoxelHead, get VoxelHead a blanket
#2193 [15:09] <VoxelHead> DopeGhoti++
#2194 [15:09] * DopeGhoti has been incremented! /nick DopeGhotj
#2194 [15:10] <mitpatterson> vox go make a blanket for vox
#2195 [15:10] <mitpatterson> lol
#2196 [15:10] <DopeGhoti> Vox, make yourself a blanket
#2197 [15:10] * VoxelHead replicates a blanket for himself
#2197 [15:10] <mitpatterson> grrr, mine didn't work
#2198 [15:10] <mitpatterson> VoxelHead, how do you feel now?
#2199 [15:10] <VoxelHead> think happy thoughts!
#2200 [15:10] <mitpatterson> ok
#2201 [15:10] <mitpatterson> sweet
#2202 [15:11] <TobiX> VoxelHead is totally awesome :)
#2203 [15:11] <DopeGhoti> I do what I can
#2204 [15:11] <mitpatterson> lol
#2205 [15:11] <DopeGhoti> give him a hug; he likes hugs.
#2206 [15:12] * mitpatterson gives vox a hug
#2206 [15:12] <VoxelHead> ~rarr~
#2207 [15:13] * DopeGhoti gives AuBot to Vox
#2207 [15:13] * VoxelHead gives DopeGhoti
#2207 [15:13] <DopeGhoti> what?
#2208 [15:13] <mitpatterson> think it should be "gives DopeGhoti to AuBot "
#2209 [15:13] * DopeGhoti gives VoxelHead AuBot
#2209 [15:13] <VoxelHead> Mmmmm.
#2210 [15:13] * VoxelHead takes a drag
#2210 [15:14] * DopeGhoti didn't know Vox was into drag
#2210 [15:14] <VoxelHead> i do love a good didn'ting
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#2212 [15:14] <DopeGhoti> Vox, what did you do to the English language?
#2213 [15:14] <VoxelHead> i used it :[
#2214 [15:16] <bildramer> lol
#2215 [15:17] <Zemedelphos> Hello Aubot
#2216 [15:17] <VoxelHead> Hello Aubot... HAubot.
#2217 [15:17] <Zemedelphos> Why do you mock me, Vox?
#2218 [15:17] <VoxelHead> For fun.
#2219 [15:17] <Zemedelphos> That's not very polite.
#2220 [15:19] <mitpatterson> hey, i'm going to set up Ubuntu Server, i'm still installing it, but what "services" should i install? any?
#2221 [15:19] <xales> No
#2222 [15:19] <mitpatterson> so just none, ok
#2223 [15:19] <DopeGhoti> mitpatterson: other than SSH, only the services you expect to need.
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#2225 [15:20] <DopeGhoti> you can always install more services later
#2226 [15:20] <mitpatterson> well i'm setting up the server just for minecraft
#2227 [15:20] <DopeGhoti> SSH will cover nearly all administration needs
#2228 [15:20] <xales> s/nearly//
#2229 [15:20] <mitpatterson> running it in virtual box(was going to do VMWare, but the stupid thing was being really bad)
#2230 [15:20] <DopeGhoti> xales: I like to hedge.
#2231 [15:20] * xales trims DopeGhoti's hedges
#2231 [15:21] <relsqui> iykwim
#2232 [15:21] * DopeGhoti hopes that's not a euphemism
#2232 [15:21] * xales hopes so too
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#2236 [15:42] <fogWraith> GreyVulpine, halp :(
#2237 [15:42] <DopeGhoti> ?
#2238 [15:43] <fogWraith> Blank screen - no signal - SSH in, reboot - flashing keyboard (kernel panic) - what do!?
#2239 [15:43] <DopeGhoti> fogWraith: so you get a kernel panic on reboot?
#2240 [15:44] <DopeGhoti> Boot to an older, known-good kernel
#2241 [15:44] <fogWraith> Well, I couldn't see it, but CAPS + SCRL LCK blinks usually indicates that
#2242 [15:44] * fogWraith just has one kernel
#2242 [15:44] <fogWraith> I refuse to get another D:
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#2244 [15:45] <fogWraith> I suppose it can be the binary drivers I got for the graphics adapter, I'm lazy like that... not wanting to compile and struggle with endless conf files :P
#2245 [15:45] <VoxelHead> confless end
#2246 [15:46] <fogWraith> Silence, VoxelHead :|
#2247 [15:46] <mitpatterson> DopeGhoti, so for ubuntu should i put in the "openSSH server" ?
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#2249 [15:47] <DopeGhoti> yes, do
#2250 [15:47] <mitpatterson> tomcat java server?(just saw that)
#2251 [15:48] <DopeGhoti> nope; you don't want or need that
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#2253 [15:48] <mitpatterson> what is it anyways?
#2254 [15:48] <DopeGhoti> it's a web applet server
#2255 [15:48] <mitpatterson> ah
#2256 [15:49] <mitpatterson> so that would be like if i wanted to HOST like the minecraft java web app type thingy
#2257 [15:49] <mitpatterson> right? that sorta thing?
#2258 [15:49] <xales> No
#2259 [15:50] <xales> It's if you want to create dynamic websites using Java
#2260 [15:50] <xales> (which is horrible for that sort of thing anyway)
#2261 [15:50] <mitpatterson> oh
#2262 [15:53] <VoxelHead> Bye dduchaine.
#2263 [15:53] <mitpatterson> lol
#2264 [15:54] <mitpatterson> i thought it only did the "bye" if the person said bye first, but it said it for him just d/cing
#2265 [15:54] <mitpatterson> lol
#2266 [15:54] <DopeGhoti> vox used to greet people upon joining, but there were complaints about that.
#2267 [15:55] <mitpatterson> ah, but does he say it leaving?
#2268 [15:56] <DopeGhoti> sometimes
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#2270 [15:59] <fogWraith> Now its just AuBot spamming when joining
#2271 [15:59] <mitpatterson> ok, so i installed ubuntu server 10, and all i have is the terminal, so how i download the files for minecraft sever(i'm a linux noob)
#2272 [16:00] <xales> !server
#2273 [16:00] <xales> `wget http://minecraft.net/download/minecraft_server.jar`
#2274 [16:00] <xales> ^that
#2275 [16:02] <mitpatterson> -bash wget http://minecraft.net/download/minecraft_server.jar: no such file or directory
#2276 [16:02] <mitpatterson> nvm, had a typo
#2277 [16:04] <mitpatterson> so when i did the java -version it shows that " openjdk" do i need to remove that?(so i can install offical java) and if so, hints on how to get it gone
#2278 [16:04] <xales> ??> mitpatterson java/linux/debian
#2279 [16:04] <VoxelHead> mitpatterson: (java/linux/debian) While OpenJDK is reported to work just fine, you probably want to install the Oracle JRE, which is in the sun-java6-jre package
#2280 [16:04] <VoxelHead> mitpatterson: (java/linux/debian) To install it, `sudo apt-get sun-java6-jre && sudo update-alternatives --config java`
#2281 [16:04] <mitpatterson> how do i remove it first? as the instructions on the server install page say to remove the "openjdk" first
#2282 [16:05] <xales> you don't actually need to remove it
#2283 [16:05] <xales> that's what the second half of the command is for
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#2285 [16:05] <mitpatterson> do i run that as one line?
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#2287 [16:05] <xales> yes
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#2290 [16:07] <mitpatterson> hmmmm, E: Invalid operation sun-java6-jre
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#2292 [16:09] <VoxelHead> I wish they didn't have to go :~(
#2293 [16:09] <mitpatterson> lol
#2294 [16:09] <mitpatterson> so what am i doing wrong?
#2295 [16:09] <leon8111> just a shot in the dark here but anyone know about the network lag of the 1.3 update and not the fps lag?
#2296 [16:11] <leon8111> i mean i hear all about this fps lag and i dont got it i got the network lag and its not fixed by making the framelimit on, i got 8 mps speed so its not that
#2297 [16:11] <xales> mitpatterson: oh, the instructions are wrong
#2298 [16:11] <mitpatterson> that might explain it, lol
#2299 [16:11] <xales> it should be `apt-get install sun-java6-jre && sudo update-alternatives --config java`
#2300 [16:11] <leon8111> im also talking about multiplayer for those that dont now
#2301 [16:11] <xales> leon8111: go to http://speedtest.net/ run the test and paste the link to the result here
#2302 [16:11] <leon8111> know*
#2303 [16:12] <fogWraith> Aren't those non-free, xales ?
#2304 [16:12] <fogWraith> You have to explain that too :P
#2305 [16:12] <xales> fogWraith: I'm fairly certain that the repository is enabled by default
#2306 [16:12] <fogWraith> D:
#2307 [16:12] <xales> (on the server, anyway)
#2308 [16:12] <fogWraith> Isn't for me
#2309 [16:12] * fogWraith curses repolists
#2309 [16:12] <xales> :P
#2310 [16:13] <mitpatterson> well i got further than i have before, now its something about the sun package not availbe, then "E: Package 'sun-java6-jre' has no installation candidate
#2311 [16:13] <leon8111> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1228324694.png
#2312 [16:14] <xales> fogWraith: can you tell mitpatterson how to enable that repository ( I think it's called 'partner' now )?
#2313 [16:14] <leon8111> i only got this lag after 1.3
#2314 [16:14] <fogWraith> What distro?
#2315 [16:14] <xales> Ubuntu server
#2316 [16:14] <xales> leon8111: have you tried a different server?
#2317 [16:15] <fogWraith> I think editing etc/apt/sources.list will do the trick
#2318 [16:15] <leon8111> over 6
#2319 [16:15] <leon8111> maybe more...
#2320 [16:15] <fogWraith> Add the same sources, except write non-free instead of main at the end of each line
#2321 [16:15] <xales> fogWraith: it will, but I don't know how Ubuntu has them set up
#2322 [16:16] <xales> leon8111: run the speedtest while connected to a server
#2323 [16:16] <fogWraith> Just cloning and adding non-free instead of main should do it
#2324 [16:16] <mitpatterson> hey DopeGhoti that "open ssh" thing you told me i should install earlier, how do i SSH in? or do i have to set it up first?(as of right now i'm RDP in)
#2325 [16:17] <xales> I don't think itt's called 'non-free' any more
#2326 [16:17] <mitpatterson> fogWraith hmmmm, me a linux noob, lol
#2327 [16:17] <fogWraith> Oh? I have to check
#2328 [16:17] <xales> mitpatterson: sudo apt-get install openssh
#2329 [16:17] <mitpatterson> xales, i installed it when i installed the server
#2330 [16:18] <xales> then download PuTTY, type server's IP, tick SSH, click connect
#2331 [16:18] <fogWraith> http://happy-coding.com/install-sun-java6-jdk-on-ubuntu-10-04-lucid/
#2332 [16:18] <VoxelHead> It wasn't me.
#2333 [16:18] <fogWraith> mitpatterson, follow that
#2334 [16:18] <fogWraith> It looks legit :P
#2335 [16:20] <mitpatterson> xales, do you know if that will work? as i have the server as VM
#2336 [16:20] <xales> it doesn't matter if it's a VM or not
#2337 [16:20] <mitpatterson> and when i do "ifconfig" it gives a IP in a different subnet(probaly the NAT)
#2338 [16:20] <mitpatterson> but i get network errors when i try to connect
#2339 [16:20] <xales> oh
#2340 [16:20] <xales> you need to set it as a bridged connection
#2341 [16:20] <xales> and restart the VM
#2342 [16:21] <mitpatterson> ah
#2343 [16:21] <mitpatterson> k
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#2346 [16:24] <mitpatterson> got my SSH working now
#2347 [16:26] <mitpatterson> fogWraith, those dirrections don't work: sudo: add-apt-repository: command not found
#2348 [16:26] <xales> try apt-add-repository
#2349 [16:26] <fogWraith> Running something newer than the longterm supported 10.04? :P
#2350 [16:27] <leon8111> im geting so low results im afraid to tell you them i think youll laugh at me...
#2351 [16:27] <mitpatterson> oh, its 10.10
#2352 [16:27] <xales> They don't make that big changes between minor versions
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#2356 [16:29] <fogWraith> xales: you should see the changes I did in just one version :P
#2357 [16:29] <fogWraith> It's a shitstorm of hate baked into a tiny little package
#2358 [16:29] <xales> well, Ubuntu doesn't anyway
#2359 [16:29] <xales> :P
#2360 [16:30] <fogWraith> They should!
#2361 [16:30] * fogWraith shakes a fist
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#2364 [16:30] <mitpatterson_> hmmm, that was odd
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#2366 [16:31] <mitpatterson_> so fogWraith ideas?
#2367 [16:31] <fogWraith> On adding additional repositories?
#2368 [16:31] <xales> mitpatterson: just edit /etc/apt/sources.list with whatever it tells you to add
#2369 [16:31] <mitpatterson_> or getting java on it somehow
#2370 [16:32] <mitpatterson_> xales, the command on that link doesn't work
#2371 [16:32] <xales> yes
#2372 [16:32] <xales> so just edit the file
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#2374 [16:32] <mitpatterson_> wow, .net splits, wow
#2375 [16:32] <SkiingPenguins> wow. i think i did netsplit
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#2377 [16:32] <fogWraith> Lol
#2378 [16:32] <fogWraith> mitpatterson_:
#2379 [16:32] <fogWraith> To install (Sun) Java in Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat you'll have to enable the Partner repository: open Ubuntu Software Center and go to Edit > Software Sources, then on the "Other Software" enable the Partner repository (it should be the first on the list; it looks like this: "http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu maverick partner".).
#2380 [16:32] <SkiingPenguins> SUCCESS AT LAST!!!!!!!
#2381 [16:32] <fogWraith> Then, click "Close" and when asked, click "Reload" and finally install Sun Java6 in Ubuntu 10.10 by searching for it in Ubuntu Software Center.
#2382 [16:32] <mitpatterson_> ummm, i don't have a gui.....
#2383 [16:32] <xales> fogWraith: he is using the server edition
#2384 [16:32] <fogWraith> D:
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#2414 [16:34] <fogWraith> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:sun-java-community-team/sun-java6
#2415 [16:34] <fogWraith> sudo apt-get update
#2416 [16:34] <fogWraith> sudo apt-get install sun-java6
#2417 [16:34] <fogWraith> That didn't work?
#2418 [16:34] <mitpatterson_> sudo: add-apt-repository: command not found
#2419 [16:35] <fogWraith> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
#2420 [16:35] <fogWraith> # uncomment the two lines referring to "partner"
#2421 [16:35] <fogWraith> sudo apt-get update
#2422 [16:35] <fogWraith> sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-bin sun-java6-jdk
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#2424 [16:37] <mitpatterson_> where it says "uncomment the following 2 lines to add software fromt he "backports reposirty?"
#2425 [16:37] <mitpatterson_> err, sorry, the one below it
#2426 [16:37] <mitpatterson_> sorry
#2427 [16:37] <fogWraith> :P
#2428 [16:37] <mitpatterson_> and once i've edited it do what the "Writeout" ?
#2429 [16:37] <mitpatterson_> which is ctrl-o
#2430 [16:38] <fogWraith> Yup
#2431 [16:39] <mitpatterson_> its doing stuff now(running the otherr 2 lines of commands)
#2432 [16:40] <mitpatterson_> YAH
#2433 [16:41] <fogWraith> YAY!
#2434 [16:41] * fogWraith dances
#2434 [16:41] <mitpatterson_> i'm not thanking you yet, my computer could still burst into flames from that
#2435 [16:42] <fogWraith> D;
#2436 [16:42] <fogWraith> When that is done
#2437 [16:42] <fogWraith> sudo update-alternatives --config java
#2438 [16:42] <mitpatterson_> ernative in link group java: /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java
#2439 [16:42] <mitpatterson_> Nothing to configure.
#2440 [16:42] <fogWraith> Oh, thats good news
#2441 [16:43] <mitpatterson_> now just back to the wiki instructions?
#2442 [16:43] <fogWraith> yep
#2443 [16:45] <mitpatterson> so i guess i didn't extract the .jar yet or anything, how do dothat
#2444 [16:46] <fogWraith> Extract the JAR's?
#2445 [16:46] <fogWraith> What kind of magic voodoo-guide are you following?
#2446 [16:47] <mitpatterson> hange minecraft_server to the same name of the folder you extracted the server to
#2447 [16:47] <mitpatterson> from the wiki
#2448 [16:47] <fogWraith> java -jar minecraft_server.jar
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#2451 [16:50] <mitpatterson> sweet ness, i logged into the server, now i just have to get op and figure out how i do that automated startup script(that is linked on the wiki)
#2452 [16:50] <fogWraith> :)
#2453 [16:50] <VoxelHead> :-)
#2454 [16:50] <mitpatterson> you could always help me/do it for me, lmao
#2455 [16:51] <fogWraith> D:
#2456 [16:52] <mitpatterson> now on a "vanella server" server does the "time" stop? like if i disconnect or anything?
#2457 [16:52] <xales> Nothing is processed if you aren't near the area
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#2459 [16:52] <xales> If you are disconnected, then you aren't near anything
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#2461 [16:55] <DopeGhoti> actually, time does go on
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#2463 [16:55] <DopeGhoti> mitpatterson: actually, time does go on, because the spawn area is always "running"
#2464 [16:55] <xales> DopeGhoti: "time" does, but not things that occur in time
#2465 [16:55] <xales> like redstone
#2466 [16:56] <DopeGhoti> true
#2467 [16:56] <xales> or mobs
#2468 [16:56] <DopeGhoti> spawn area notwithstanding
#2469 [16:56] <DopeGhoti> by time I was referring to the day/night cycle
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#2471 [16:59] <mitpatterson> lol
#2472 [16:59] <mitpatterson> i think it has to do with me playing with router settings for ports
#2473 [17:00] <mitpatterson> hmm, i still can't connect to my minecraft server using my external IP
#2474 [17:00] <mitpatterson> grrrr
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#2476 [17:01] <DopeGhoti> mitpatterson: pastebin your server.properties
#2477 [17:02] <mitpatterson> was i supposed to edit those?
#2478 [17:06] * VoxelHead is away: shower
#2478 [17:06] <mitpatterson> bots don't need to show vox
#2479 [17:12] <Kealper> apparently that one does
#2480 [17:12] <Kealper> lol
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#2483 [17:19] <Romtazz> HEllo, i have a problem
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#2485 [17:20] <mitpatterson> DopeGhoti, you never let me know, but do i have to edit the config file in order for others to connect?
#2486 [17:21] <Romtazz> I have a probleme with prenium code
#2487 [17:21] <mitpatterson> Romtazz, whats the problem(we can't read minds unfortently)
#2488 [17:21] <mitpatterson> did you buy it your self? or a gift code?
#2489 [17:21] <Romtazz> My friends have buy a code prenium for me, but who enter it ?
#2490 [17:22] <mitpatterson> who ever the game is for
#2491 [17:22] <mitpatterson> who ever is going to play it
#2492 [17:22] <mitpatterson> he gets the code when he buys it, and gives it to you then
#2493 [17:22] <Romtazz> It's good thanks yoooooou
#2494 [17:23] <mitpatterson> ping DopeGhoti
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#2500 [17:41] <quaxxy> Hello, i'm having trouble setting up a server, could somebody help me please?
#2501 [17:41] <quaxxy> Hello, i'm having trouble setting up a server, could somebody help me please?
#2502 [17:46] <xales> quaxxy: Just ask what you need help with and someone can try to help
#2503 [17:46] <xales> I can't at the moment, I have to go, but someone else can help
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#2510 [18:09] <aetherian> quaxxy: did you need help?
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#2513 [18:18] <slimer> omg
#2514 [18:18] <slimer> i just had a heart attack
#2515 [18:19] <slimer> i accidently ran a cracked minecraft omg omg im so f**king stupid
#2516 [18:20] <aetherian> le epic fail
#2517 [18:20] <aetherian> but
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#2519 [18:20] <slimer> ya well im not sure
#2520 [18:20] <slimer> i was told it was the beta
#2521 [18:20] <aetherian> how the hell does one accidentally run a pirated game
#2522 [18:20] <slimer> so im liek ya cool
#2523 [18:20] <slimer> everyones beens passing it around school
#2524 [18:21] <slimer> little did i know they got it from a f**cking pirate
#2525 [18:21] <aetherian> gee, where else would they get it from
#2526 [18:21] <slimer> no no im like this is the free beta correct
#2527 [18:21] <slimer> and they are like ya
#2528 [18:21] <slimer> i didnt know much about minecraft
#2529 [18:21] <aetherian> there is no free beta
#2530 [18:22] <aetherian> so why are you here
#2531 [18:22] <aetherian> if it's just to rant, this isn't the channel
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#2533 [18:22] <slimer> well i had a question
#2534 [18:22] <slimer> i uploaded it to virus total
#2535 [18:22] <slimer> the report came up 0/42
#2536 [18:23] <slimer> but the commment were split 50/50 on whether it was good or bad
#2537 [18:23] <aetherian> you... you uploaded it to virus total
#2538 [18:23] <slimer> so i mean maybe it was a different file with the same name?
#2539 [18:23] <aetherian> what does that even mean...
#2540 [18:23] <Dark_Fox_> aetherian: He did an online virus scan of the file
#2541 [18:23] <slimer> it scans with 42 different virus scanners
#2542 [18:23] <raskull> I think, virustotal.com
#2543 [18:23] <SkiingPenguins> that thing doesnt catch the trojans i make :S
#2544 [18:24] <aetherian> look, just delete it, clear your .minecraft (if you have it) and run a virus scan
#2545 [18:24] <Espeon> Vox, decloak
#2546 [18:24] <slimer> i deleted the minecraftsp.exe
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#2548 [18:24] <slimer> now wheres my .minecraft?
#2549 [18:24] <aetherian> %appdata%
#2550 [18:24] <aetherian> roamin
#2551 [18:24] <aetherian> *roaming
#2552 [18:24] <bud> any word on 1.4 yet? or a fix to that bug?
#2553 [18:25] <aetherian> (or ~/.minecraft if you ran linux)
#2554 [18:25] <slimer> good nothing was there
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#2556 [18:25] <aetherian> great, then you need no more help.
#2557 [18:25] <bud> I bought beta almost three weeks ago now, and haven't been able to play multi yet :/
#2558 [18:25] <G_Superchicken> ello
#2559 [18:25] * Espeon pokes VoxelHead
#2559 [18:25] <aetherian> Espeon: it's away
#2560 [18:25] <aetherian> jeez
#2561 [18:25] <Espeon> IT SHOULDN'T BE!
#2562 [18:25] <aetherian> ...
#2563 [18:26] <Coll> glad it is
#2564 [18:26] <Coll> :D
#2565 [18:26] <raskull> bud: which bug?
#2566 [18:26] <slimer> hacked launcher is 679 KB original is only 228 KB was one comment
#2567 [18:26] <slimer> but im assuming it did nothing
#2568 [18:27] <slimer> since i have a behaviorial blocker a firewall and an antivirus
#2569 [18:27] <aetherian> did you ever launch it
#2570 [18:27] <slimer> emphesis on behavioral blocker
#2571 [18:27] <slimer> and yes i di
#2572 [18:27] <aetherian> and what did it do, nothing?
#2573 [18:27] <G_Superchicken> is anyone else having a problem when you log in , you can play for about 2 minutes , then the screen turns black?
#2574 [18:27] <slimer> it ran the game
#2575 [18:27] <SkiingPenguins> never trust antivirus/firewall
#2576 [18:27] <aetherian> (because it doesn't exist, I'm guessing)
#2577 [18:27] <G_Superchicken> in multiplayer*
#2578 [18:27] <slimer> and i played the game them im like hmm wait
#2579 [18:27] <slimer> this files been passed around a load
#2580 [18:27] <slimer> so then i scanned it
#2581 [18:28] <slimer> and there are no symptoms
#2582 [18:28] <slimer> nothing blocked
#2583 [18:28] <slimer> nothings happening
#2584 [18:28] <bud> its the bug that lags chat, has chunk errors, and disconnects you
#2585 [18:29] <aetherian> slimer: great. it's over. now, don't talk about it here anymore, please.
#2586 [18:29] <slimer> so im safe?
#2587 [18:29] <raskull> G_Superchicken: I have that problem anf haven't found a solution.. but the web version works fine, so that's what I use
#2588 [18:29] <aetherian> you're never safe, slimer
#2589 [18:29] <slimer> Im scanning with the behavioral blocker: full scan just to check
#2590 [18:29] <aetherian> just by coming on here you gave us your external internet protocol address
#2591 [18:30] <aetherian> which anyone could theoretically use to launch an attack against you
#2592 [18:30] <slimer> yes i know :(
#2593 [18:30] <aetherian> so no, nowhere is safe
#2594 [18:30] <SkiingPenguins> or find where you live :P
#2595 [18:30] <aetherian> that too
#2596 [18:30] <slimer> im so stupid man minecraft is the best game ever i would never do anything to rip off notch
#2597 [18:30] <SkiingPenguins> like this http://geoiptool.com/?IP=71.192.250.227
#2598 [18:30] <slimer> im gonna buy the real version now that ive been hoodwinked
#2599 [18:30] <aetherian> funny, I thought you just said you knew nearly nothing about it
#2600 [18:31] <slimer> i played in minecraft.net/play.jsp
#2601 [18:31] <slimer> without an account
#2602 [18:31] <slimer> and i liked it
#2603 [18:31] <aetherian> heh
#2604 [18:31] <slimer> best game so far in my book
#2605 [18:31] <aetherian> foxboro?
#2606 [18:31] * SkiingPenguins wonders if the geoip stuff is up to date
#2606 [18:31] <slimer> ya
#2607 [18:32] <G_Superchicken> raskull whats your render distance set to?
#2608 [18:32] <bud> just out of curiosity, what are the perfect video settings? distance smooth light etc?
#2609 [18:32] <aetherian> the perfect settings are whatever your computer handles at whatever fps you like
#2610 [18:33] <bud> oh kk
#2611 [18:33] <aetherian> the very max would be perfect if you had some supercomputer
#2612 [18:33] <raskull> G_Superchicken: I have tried all of em
#2613 [18:33] <G_Superchicken> damn
#2614 [18:33] <aetherian> turn it on "fast" graphics
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#2616 [18:42] <SkiingPenguins> mhhmmmmm
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#2622 [18:54] <quaxxy> OK GUYS. All i wanna do is build a big mansion with my friend on minecraft. How can i do that...?
#2623 [18:55] <G_Superchicken> start building...
#2624 [18:55] <quaxxy> Hosting a server is out of the question, because no matter what i do, he can't connect to me
#2625 [18:55] <aetherian> he can host it
#2626 [18:56] <quaxxy> no, he can't either
#2627 [18:56] <quaxxy> is there not like...
#2628 [18:56] <quaxxy> some server elsewhere
#2629 [18:56] <quaxxy> that we can both go on
#2630 [18:56] <quaxxy> and just build?
#2631 [18:56] <aetherian> you can go on any server then
#2632 [18:56] <quaxxy> don't want any monsters or anything like that
#2633 [18:56] <quaxxy> just like... normal...
#2634 [18:56] <quaxxy> like.. a field...
#2635 [18:56] <quaxxy> that we can build on
#2636 [18:56] <aetherian> monsters are normal...
#2637 [18:56] <aetherian> if you want it terraformed to your specifications, then one of you needs to host
#2638 [18:57] <quaxxy> http://www.minecraft.net/play.jsp
#2639 [18:57] <quaxxy> when you go there
#2640 [18:57] <aetherian> we can attempt to troubleshoot that, if you'd like
#2641 [18:57] <quaxxy> and play
#2642 [18:57] <quaxxy> like, you just get a field, yes?
#2643 [18:57] <aetherian> no
#2644 [18:57] <quaxxy> or like, a little area, and you can just build stuff
#2645 [18:57] <aetherian> you want to do it in classic?
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#2647 [18:57] <quaxxy> yeah
#2648 [18:57] <quaxxy> what's the difference...?
#2649 [18:58] <aetherian> classic is far different than beta
#2650 [18:58] <aetherian> but anyway
#2651 [18:58] <mitpatterson> anyone want to test out my server with me?
#2652 [18:58] <aetherian> you could just go onto any server you like from the list, if you like
#2653 [18:58] <Thoatt> mitpatterson: I'll give it a go
#2654 [18:58] <aetherian> or you could host it
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#2656 [18:58] <quaxxy> could you recommend one... that isn't retarded
#2657 [18:58] <aetherian> there's no other way
#2658 [18:58] <quaxxy> and doesn't have stupid retarded stuff everywhere
#2659 [18:58] <mitpatterson> k, its the same IP that i'm on from here
#2660 [18:58] <quaxxy> and loads of people ruining our shit
#2661 [18:58] <quaxxy> lol
#2662 [18:58] <aetherian> quaxxy: keep going to servers with like 1-2 people on
#2663 [18:58] <aetherian> sometimes you
#2664 [18:59] <aetherian> *'ll get lucky
#2665 [18:59] <aetherian> and find a new one, where you can talk with the owner
#2666 [18:59] <aetherian> but just go to sparsely populated ones
#2667 [18:59] <quaxxy> are there no permanent ones?
#2668 [18:59] <quaxxy> that have no people in?
#2669 [18:59] <aetherian> ...
#2670 [18:59] <aetherian> yes
#2671 [18:59] <aetherian> the one you make
#2672 [19:00] <quaxxy> arghgh
#2673 [19:00] <quaxxy> lmfao
#2674 [19:00] <aetherian> you just said
#2675 [19:00] <aetherian> "I need someone else to host a server that's all about me with only us playing"
#2676 [19:01] <quaxxy> well i don't mean to sound selfish, i just thought there;d be an easier way to do it :P
#2677 [19:01] <quaxxy> because i've spent about 4 hours tonight
#2678 [19:01] <quaxxy> trying to host a server
#2679 [19:01] <quaxxy> and i cannot do it
#2680 [19:01] <aetherian> did you port forward?
#2681 [19:01] <quaxxy> yes :L
#2682 [19:01] <quaxxy> lol
#2683 [19:01] <aetherian> well
#2684 [19:01] <aetherian> let's troubleshoot the hosting
#2685 [19:01] <aetherian> 'tis what we do
#2686 [19:01] <quaxxy> can you try and connect to it?
#2687 [19:02] <aetherian> fine
#2688 [19:02] <quaxxy> lol. forgot my ip
#2689 [19:02] <quaxxy> 1 sec
#2690 [19:02] <quaxxy> 90.194.63.52
#2691 [19:02] <quaxxy> right
#2692 [19:02] <quaxxy> gogo
#2693 [19:04] <aetherian> what's the url
#2694 [19:04] <aetherian> as in
#2695 [19:04] <aetherian> what port
#2696 [19:04] <quaxxy> 25565 i think
#2697 [19:05] <quaxxy> i'm using the minecraft_server.exe thing
#2698 [19:05] <quaxxy> and i want to run a classic server
#2699 [19:05] <quaxxy> so me and my mate can build
#2700 [19:05] <aetherian> I...
#2701 [19:05] <quaxxy> am i using the right thing?
#2702 [19:05] <aetherian> no
#2703 [19:05] <aetherian> it's minecraft-server
#2704 [19:05] <aetherian> http://www.minecraft.net/minecraft-server.zip
#2705 [19:06] <quaxxy> ok i've got that now
#2706 [19:06] <aetherian> run it
#2707 [19:06] <aetherian> exit it
#2708 [19:06] <aetherian> and run it again
#2709 [19:06] <quaxxy> ok
#2710 [19:07] <quaxxy> now what? :)
#2711 [19:07] <aetherian> if it's running
#2712 [19:07] <aetherian> then just go to the one
#2713 [19:07] * DopeGhoti got pinged?
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#2714 [19:08] <quaxxy> which one?
#2715 [19:08] <aetherian> read the readme
#2716 [19:08] <aetherian> I was able to set it up
#2717 [19:08] <aetherian> from scratch
#2718 [19:09] <aetherian> in like 1 minute
#2719 [19:09] <aetherian> :D
#2720 [19:09] <quaxxy> says i can't connect to the server via this URl anymore?
#2721 [19:09] <DopeGhoti> unzip, run, enjoy pretty much, yes?
#2722 [19:09] <aetherian> but set public to false
#2723 [19:09] <aetherian> DopeGhoti: do you know about the URLs?
#2724 [19:10] <quaxxy> still says the same thing?
#2725 [19:10] <DopeGhoti> aetherian: the ilk of minecraft.net/play.jsp?server=example.com ?
#2726 [19:10] <quaxxy> i can't connect to the server via this url anymore?
#2727 [19:10] <quaxxy> http://www.minecraft.net/play.jsp?server=90.194.63.52&port=26556
#2728 [19:10] <quaxxy> doesn't work
#2729 [19:11] <DopeGhoti> (wow, I remembered that URI syntax properly?!)
#2730 [19:11] <DopeGhoti> it could be game.jsp rather than play.jsp
#2731 [19:11] <aetherian> no
#2732 [19:11] <aetherian> "To run a private server, set isPublic to false in the properties. To connec to your server, people should open the following url in their browsers:
#2733 [19:11] <aetherian> http://www.minecraft.net/play.jsp?server=<YOUR IP>&port=<SERVER PORT>"
#2734 [19:11] <aetherian> you don't need the <> I assume
#2735 [19:12] <aetherian> wait
#2736 [19:12] <aetherian> I think it's only that URL if public is false
#2737 [19:13] <aetherian> quaxxy: set public to false in server.properties
#2738 [19:13] <quaxxy> have done
#2739 [19:13] <aetherian> try to connect again
#2740 [19:14] <aetherian> um
#2741 [19:14] <aetherian> are oh!
#2742 [19:14] <quaxxy> no
#2743 [19:15] <quaxxy> it doesn't work
#2744 [19:15] <aetherian> are you sure it's forwarded?
#2745 [19:15] <aetherian> the port, that is
#2746 [19:15] <quaxxy> 25565 yes
#2747 [19:15] <aetherian> you said 26556, heh
#2748 [19:15] <quaxxy> i know
#2749 [19:15] <quaxxy> and i tried with 25565
#2750 [19:15] <quaxxy> and it still didn't work
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#2752 [19:16] <aetherian> I have an idea
#2753 [19:16] <aetherian> set isPublic to true, modify the name to something you can remember, and try to find it on the server list
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#2756 [19:17] <aetherian> just to test its connectivity, that is
#2757 [19:17] * aetherian eats some more bread
#2757 [19:18] <quaxxy> http://www.minecraft.net/play.jsp?server=55b1dca5c0560044ffd30f4300870eca
#2758 [19:18] <quaxxy> OMFG
#2759 [19:18] <quaxxy> http://www.minecraft.net/play.jsp?server=55b1dca5c0560044ffd30f4300870eca
#2760 [19:18] <quaxxy> :o
#2761 [19:18] <quaxxy> it worked :D it's their
#2762 [19:20] <aetherian> now set isPublic to false and see if you can connect to the same URL (I have no idea)
#2763 [19:21] <quaxxy> it worked
#2764 [19:21] <quaxxy> now you try and connect
#2765 [19:21] <quaxxy> cos i've set it to private i think
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#2767 [19:21] <aetherian> you think?
#2768 [19:21] <aetherian> restart the server
#2769 [19:21] <quaxxy> have done
#2770 [19:22] <aetherian> how mature of an into
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#2772 [19:24] <aetherian> so it works
#2773 [19:24] <quaxxy> no
#2774 [19:24] <quaxxy> because you could join...
#2775 [19:24] <aetherian> yes
#2776 [19:24] <quaxxy> lol
#2777 [19:25] <aetherian> but it's not on the server list
#2778 [19:25] <quaxxy> AH
#2779 [19:25] <aetherian> never say the url except to your friend
#2780 [19:25] <quaxxy> ok
#2781 [19:25] <aetherian> and it'll be good
#2782 [19:25] <aetherian> so it works
#2783 [19:25] <quaxxy> so if i wanted to generate a new are
#2784 [19:25] <quaxxy> area
#2785 [19:25] <quaxxy> so we could start building again
#2786 [19:25] <quaxxy> how would i do that?
#2787 [19:25] <aetherian> delete level.dat or whatever it's called
#2788 [19:25] <quaxxy> yeah
#2789 [19:25] <quaxxy> thought so :3
#2790 [19:25] <quaxxy> thankyou very much :DL:D
#2791 [19:25] <aetherian> server-level.dat
#2792 [19:25] <aetherian> wait
#2793 [19:26] <aetherian> I never got my $20!
#2794 [19:26] <aetherian> oi!
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#2796 [19:27] <frogzilla> Ok theres a server i like, but now i can't getin
#2797 [19:28] <aetherian> wutwut
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#2800 [19:29] <mib_0r8vth> Hello, i have a technical issue could anyone help me.
#2801 [19:30] <DopeGhoti> ?? ask
#2802 [19:30] <VoxelHead> ask: Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help, and be as specific as possible.
#2803 [19:30] <VoxelHead> ask: If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#2804 [19:31] <mib_0r8vth> Ok, well minecraft was working fine last night, then all of a sudden it started saying "Could Not Load Java Virtual Machine,"
#2805 [19:31] <mib_0r8vth> I have reinstaled java and everything and redownloaded minecraft
#2806 [19:32] <mib_0r8vth> and tryed a few "fixes" on forums. i think i got a virus>? i did some virus scans and cleaned house, but still the same error
#2807 [19:33] <mib_0r8vth> Im not sure what other information i can give
#2808 [19:34] <mib_0r8vth> When i try check my java version on sun's website it says its fully functional
#2809 [19:34] <aetherian> go to cmd and type java -version for us, please
#2810 [19:35] <mib_0r8vth> 1 6 024
#2811 [19:35] <mib_0r8vth> 1.6.0_24
#2812 [19:36] <DopeGhoti> ?? win/profile
#2813 [19:36] <VoxelHead> win/profile: It may be helpful to isolate whether this is a problem with your user account, or with your system as a whole.
#2814 [19:36] <VoxelHead> win/profile: Please create a new user profile, log in as that user, and try Minecraft from there. If it works, there's something on your profile that's breaking Java or Minecraft. If not, there's something amiss with your system as a whole.
#2815 [19:36] <DreadLindwyrm> Can you run other java based apps?
#2816 [19:36] <mib_0r8vth> i am unsure i have other java based app's can you give an example i may have
#2817 [19:37] <mib_0r8vth> or something i could get easily
#2818 [19:37] * VoxelHead is back
#2818 [19:38] <DreadLindwyrm> http://www.java.com/en/download/testjava.jsp
#2819 [19:38] <mib_0r8vth> It says everything is working from that link
#2820 [19:39] <mib_0r8vth> i am goin to attempt to make a new user profile
#2821 [19:40] <mib_0r8vth> i will be back thankyou for your' help so far
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#2824 [19:44] <mib_ocsox6> I was not succesful in making a new user and opening minecraft, i got the same error
#2825 [19:45] <mib_ocsox6> I remember specificaly i was messing around with biome terrain mod, are there known issues with it that you know about>?
#2826 [19:45] <mib_ocsox6> but i put a fresh .minecraft in appdata
#2827 [19:45] <mib_ocsox6> no mods
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#2829 [19:46] <mib_ocsox6> i cant tell if it is the latest version tho as i cant open the launcher+
#2830 [19:48] <mib_ocsox6> is this error a memory error, is something eating up my cpu>?
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#2832 [19:50] <DopeGhoti> "put a fresh .minecraft".. did you try removing it rather than inserting one into place?
#2833 [19:50] <mib_ocsox6> i deleted and then moved yes
#2834 [19:50] <mib_ocsox6> so i did not get any extra files hanging around because i thought it was the mod
#2835 [19:50] <DopeGhoti> don't put a new one in, just erase it entirely and let Minecraft make a totally pristine new one
#2836 [19:51] <mib_ocsox6> i also tryed that but the launcher will not open
#2837 [19:51] <mib_ocsox6> so it does not download the files
#2838 [19:51] <DopeGhoti> if the launcher itself will not open, there are Serious Problems
#2839 [19:51] <DopeGhoti> have you uninstalled and reinstalled (not _just_ reinstalled) Java?
#2840 [19:52] <VoxelHead> have you "tried" google?
#2841 [19:52] <GreyVulpine> What's going on?
#2842 [19:52] <mib_ocsox6> no, and yes
#2843 [19:52] <mib_ocsox6> the exact error im getting is "Could Not Load Java Virtual Machine" grey
#2844 [19:52] <GreyVulpine> Could be either a corrupt java installation, or you don't have the latest updates for your OS
#2845 [19:53] <GreyVulpine> More likely, the former
#2846 [19:53] <mib_ocsox6> i am pretty certain i do, i will try removing it entirely and reinstaling
#2847 [19:53] <mib_ocsox6> after dl'ing the core instaler do i need to download extra files, or will it update for me
#2848 [19:54] <GreyVulpine> It'll do it automaticall
#2849 [19:54] <GreyVulpine> y
#2850 [19:54] <mib_ocsox6> ok i will try that again and see where it gets me.
#2851 [19:54] <mib_ocsox6> after removing it entirely
#2852 [19:55] <mib_ocsox6> will removing it with "control panel " add remove hardware be sufficient
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#2854 [19:57] <GreyVulpine> Eh, to be sure, you'll need to use the add/remove programs (all that does is call the uninstall program), delete the java directory where it's installed, and run some sort of registry clearner
#2855 [19:57] <GreyVulpine> cleaner*
#2856 [19:58] <GreyVulpine> I recommend CCleaner
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#2862 [20:22] <mano> hey
#2863 [20:23] <DopeGhoti> stack.
#2864 [20:23] <mano> is there someone who can help me with my minecraft account
#2865 [20:24] <DreadLindwyrm> mano - see the topic
#2866 [20:24] <mano> i dont see any topic
#2867 [20:25] <DopeGhoti> we can offer advice, but no direct assistance
#2868 [20:25] <mano> oh shit
#2869 [20:25] <mano> u know who can help me with account issues ?
#2870 [20:26] <mano> becouse i have problems with uploading skins
#2871 [20:26] <mano> big errors
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#2874 [20:28] <DopeGhoti> define 'big errors'
#2875 [20:28] <GreyVulpine> Probably the error from minecraftskins.com
#2876 [20:28] <DopeGhoti> ??> mano mc.net/skins
#2877 [20:28] <VoxelHead> mano: (mc.net/skins) Skin uploading will appear not to do anything at minecraft.net. However, if you have uploaded a new skin file, it *will* work in-game. Give it a try! (:
#2878 [20:29] <GreyVulpine> Not that one
#2879 [20:29] <GreyVulpine> It's uh..
#2880 [20:29] <DopeGhoti> GreyVulpine: I know, but I wanted to direct em to 'minecraft.net' specifically.
#2881 [20:29] <mano> look
#2882 [20:29] <VoxelHead> loooooooooooook
#2883 [20:29] <mano> Failed to save skin: org.jets3t.service.S3ServiceException: Request Error. PUT '/MinecraftSkins/Snitzel_Frizzle.png' on Host 's3.amazonaws.com' @ 'Thu, 31 Mar 2011 00:20:16 GMT' -- ResponseCode: 400, ResponseStatus: Bad Request
#2884 [20:29] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, that one
#2885 [20:30] <GreyVulpine> Don't use minecraftskins.com to upload the skin directly.
#2886 [20:30] <GreyVulpine> Use your profile page at minecraft.net to upload the .png you get from minecraftskins.com
#2887 [20:30] <mano> so
#2888 [20:30] <mano> first download it
#2889 [20:30] <DopeGhoti> it's been a long ass-time; why hasn't Minecraftskins taken down and/or fixed that?
#2890 [20:30] <mano> and than upload it with browse
#2891 [20:30] <GreyVulpine> Don't freakin know
#2892 [20:30] <GreyVulpine> Yes mano
#2893 [20:30] <mano> okies ill try that
#2894 [20:33] <mano> YES
#2895 [20:33] <mano> works
#2896 [20:33] <mano> thank u so much
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#2899 [20:51] <DopeGhoti> !check 65.186.89.194
#2900 [20:52] <mitpatterson> oh, does that check connection to the server? or just ping basically?
#2901 [20:53] <mitpatterson> it does something, i see a Java exception and a lost connection for AuBot's IP
#2902 [20:56] <VoxelHead> where'd my moose go?
#2903 [20:58] <mitpatterson> WTF VoxelHead
#2904 [20:59] <GreyVulpine> VoxelHead really like invader zim quotes
#2905 [21:01] <DopeGhoti> it's a good show, GreyVulpine
#2906 [21:03] <GreyVulpine> Indeed
#2907 [21:03] * GreyVulpine is/was an oper on one of the fan IRC networks for that show.
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#2908 [21:13] <raskull> whats dis do? whats dat do?
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#2911 [21:16] <potatocreeper> helllo
#2912 [21:17] <potatocreeper> is there a mod where you can make wool armor
#2913 [21:17] <VoxelHead> I'm gonna sing the doom song now... dooom doom doom
#2914 [21:17] <potatocreeper> *cheers encore*
#2915 [21:17] <potatocreeper> xd
#2916 [21:18] <potatocreeper> so is there
#2917 [21:22] <SkiingPenguins> potato got shot down by voxel
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#2922 [21:38] <Puddles101> ===Simple Minecraft Error Test=== Starting Minecraft... Error occurred during initialization of VM Could not reserve enough space for object heap Could not create the Java virtual machine. Finished session
#2923 [21:39] <Puddles101> I have nothing else using RAM
#2924 [21:39] <LoRDTrevor> see index
#2925 [21:39] <VoxelHead> index: See http://faq.xales.info for a list of FAQ entries
#2926 [21:40] <LoRDTrevor> see commands
#2927 [21:40] <VoxelHead> commands: See http://faq.xales.info for a list of FAQ entries
#2928 [21:40] <SkiingPenguins> Puddles101: how much ram you got ?
#2929 [21:41] <Puddles101> how do i check exactly
#2930 [21:41] <SkiingPenguins> what OS?
#2931 [21:41] <Puddles101> XP
#2932 [21:41] <SkiingPenguins> control panel -> system i think. im on win7
#2933 [21:41] <LoRDTrevor> see ip/external
#2934 [21:41] <VoxelHead> ip/external: Places to go to learn your external (WAN) IP address: http://www.ipchicken.com/ http://www.moanmyip.com/ http://www.whatismyip.com/
#2935 [21:41] <Puddles101> 1gb
#2936 [21:41] <SkiingPenguins> alright that's very low
#2937 [21:41] <Puddles101> 31gb free on HD
#2938 [21:42] <SkiingPenguins> minecraft tries to allocate 1gb RAM for itself by default i think
#2939 [21:42] <Puddles101> it was working yesterday, and scince i brought it in alpha
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#2941 [21:42] <SkiingPenguins> hm
#2942 [21:42] <Puddles101> you think my ram has currupted some how?
#2943 [21:42] <SkiingPenguins> you could try testing it
#2944 [21:42] <DopeGhoti> LoRDTrevor: is there a reason you're doing that?
#2945 [21:42] <VoxelHead> Yes, but only on the third wednesday of every month.
#2946 [21:43] <LoRDTrevor> what voxel said
#2947 [21:43] <Puddles101> can i make minecraft request less ram on startup
#2948 [21:43] <LoRDTrevor> but anyway i was consulting FAQ entries
#2949 [21:43] <SkiingPenguins> yes DopeGhoti do you know how to fix Puddles101's issue?
#2950 [21:43] <LoRDTrevor> for no reason in particular
#2951 [21:44] <LoRDTrevor> see version
#2952 [21:44] <DopeGhoti> Please use ??< for testing FAQ entries so as not to flood out the channel.
#2953 [21:45] <Puddles101> Java seems to be working fine, does mcedit use javavm?
#2954 [21:45] <VoxelHead> no
#2955 [21:45] <SkiingPenguins> it uses java jre
#2956 [21:45] <SkiingPenguins> or something like that
#2957 [21:46] <DopeGhoti> SkiingPenguins: does it use the Java JRE at the Automatic ATM Machine?
#2958 [21:46] <SkiingPenguins> automatic atm machine is very repetative o_O
#2959 [21:47] <DopeGhoti> SkiingPenguins: so is "Jave JRE"
#2960 [21:47] <DopeGhoti> er, Java
#2961 [21:47] <Puddles101> So i guess nobody knows whats going on with me.
#2962 [21:47] <SkiingPenguins> well im sorry :(
#2963 [21:47] <DopeGhoti> Puddles101: frankly, it sounds like you need more RAM.
#2964 [21:47] <Puddles101> What would cause me to need more ram overnight however
#2965 [21:47] <GreyVulpine> Try using the .jar, and execute it with a command line with reduced RAM arguments
#2966 [21:48] <GreyVulpine> http://www.minecraft.net/download.jsp
#2967 [21:48] <GreyVulpine> Download Minecraft.jar
#2968 [21:48] <Puddles101> java -Xmx512m -cp Minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame
#2969 [21:48] <Puddles101> like this>?
#2970 [21:48] <GreyVulpine> java -Xmx256M -Xms256M -cp Minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame
#2971 [21:48] <GreyVulpine> If you have at least 256 megs of RAM fre...
#2972 [21:48] <GreyVulpine> free*
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#2974 [21:48] <Puddles101> Can i see anywhere how much ram has been allocated
#2975 [21:48] <SkiingPenguins> task manager ?
#2976 [21:48] <GreyVulpine> What OS?
#2977 [21:49] <Puddles101> says 3% cpu
#2978 [21:49] <Puddles101> XP
#2979 [21:49] <Puddles101> system idle process @ 99
#2980 [21:49] <VoxelHead> mmm BarryCarlyon
#2981 [21:49] <GreyVulpine> Task manager -> performace tab -> physical memory (available)
#2982 [21:49] <Puddles101> 5132000
#2983 [21:49] <Puddles101> 200
#2984 [21:50] <SkiingPenguins> i like windows 7's task manager much better
#2985 [21:50] <GreyVulpine> then about 512 megs free
#2986 [21:50] <Puddles101> how do i execute the command line
#2987 [21:50] <GreyVulpine> Either through command prompt, or make a batch file.
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#2989 [21:51] <aureolus> Hello?
#2990 [21:51] <SkiingPenguins> batch is the way to go if you're lazy or dont use cmd a lot
#2991 [21:51] <VoxelHead> We have no time for these games$@%percent*#~^.
#2992 [21:51] <SkiingPenguins> hi aureolus
#2993 [21:51] <GreyVulpine> 'lo aureolus
#2994 [21:51] <Puddles101> so make a text document named " "
#2995 [21:51] <Puddles101> and save as .bat>
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#2997 [21:51] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#2998 [21:52] <Puddles101> then do i drag onto the jar?
#2999 [21:52] <aureolus> So... I'm getting this BSOD/crash combo after random amounts of time in minecraft. (black screen of death) and i just cannot figure this out.
#3000 [21:52] <SkiingPenguins> no
#3001 [21:52] <GreyVulpine> Puddles101 - Just have the .bat file in the same folder as the .jar
#3002 [21:52] <Puddles101> ok i will try this
#3003 [21:52] <Puddles101> java -Xmx512M -Xms512M -cp Minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame yes?
#3004 [21:52] <VoxelHead> i am not at liberty to discuss that
#3005 [21:52] <GreyVulpine> No
#3006 [21:53] <GreyVulpine> java -Xmx256M -Xms256M -cp Minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame
#3007 [21:53] <Puddles101> 256 ok
#3008 [21:53] <aureolus> any ideas?
#3009 [21:54] <Puddles101> no result.
#3010 [21:54] <GreyVulpine> aureolus - Got any error logs, or any more details?
#3011 [21:54] <GreyVulpine> Puddles101 - ?
#3012 [21:54] <aureolus> it didn't spit any out after it locked up.
#3013 [21:54] <Puddles101> i mean same result
#3014 [21:54] <GreyVulpine> aureolus - What did it BSOD with?
#3015 [21:55] <aureolus> I don't get what you're asking, I've got windows 7, and have no mods.. i use the john smith texture pack / patched (but it does this even without the pack or the patch)
#3016 [21:55] <GreyVulpine> aureolus - You said it BSODs, what's the error that it gives you at the blue screen?
#3017 [21:56] <Puddles101> ===Simple Minecraft Error Test=== Starting Minecraft... Error occurred during initialization of VM Could not reserve enough space for object heap Could not create the Java virtual machine. Finished session is the exact error i get
#3018 [21:56] <aureolus> black screen.... nevermind. minecraft blacks out, and locks up.
#3019 [21:56] <GreyVulpine> Ooh.
#3020 [21:56] <SkiingPenguins> did i do something wrong? D:
#3021 [21:57] <GreyVulpine> Puddles101 - Wait.. how are you launching minecraft?
#3022 [21:58] <LoRDTrevor> whenever i try to use memory parameters on minecraft it throws an exception
#3023 [21:58] <GreyVulpine> aureolus - Hmm. I don't know, it's a known problem, but I don't know if there's a solution for it
#3024 [21:58] <Puddles101> thru the .jar i downloaded from the site i was linked
#3025 [21:58] <Puddles101> and also through the main .exe
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#3027 [21:58] <GreyVulpine> Puddles101 - How about through the .bat?
#3028 [21:58] <LoRDTrevor> wait does it need to be the new version of the launcher?
#3029 [21:58] <Puddles101> how do i do it "through the bat"
#3030 [21:58] <GreyVulpine> Just double click the .bat
#3031 [21:59] <aureolus> D:>
#3032 [21:59] <Puddles101> it opens as a text file. i must be doing something wrong
#3033 [21:59] <SkiingPenguins> wtf
#3034 [21:59] <GreyVulpine> Puddles101 - Open up the .bat file, in notepad, click "Save as"
#3035 [21:59] <SkiingPenguins> did you save as a .txt?
#3036 [21:59] <aureolus> meh.. maybe i'll just stick with my original plan.. get up my Ununtu dualboot again.
#3037 [21:59] <GreyVulpine> Save the file type as "All files"
#3038 [21:59] <Puddles101> i had two options and i chose all files
#3039 [21:59] <GreyVulpine> Then rename it as something.bat
#3040 [21:59] <aureolus> ubuntu*
#3041 [22:00] <Puddles101> ok it worked
#3042 [22:00] <Puddles101> th making oit
#3043 [22:00] <Puddles101> And mine craft opened
#3044 [22:00] <Puddles101> you guys are awesome!
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#3046 [22:00] <GreyVulpine> Great
#3047 [22:00] <Puddles101> jar is downloading
#3048 [22:01] * GreyVulpine nods
#3048 [22:01] <Puddles101> much kudos!
#3049 [22:01] <GreyVulpine> This is just a workaround, your real problem is that you don't have enough RAM
#3050 [22:01] <Puddles101> i dont smp or anything so i dont mind lagg
#3051 [22:01] <GreyVulpine> Alright then.
#3052 [22:02] <Puddles101> i succesfuly opened a new world. im going to try open from the main exe now
#3053 [22:02] <GreyVulpine> The main exe won't work.
#3054 [22:02] <GreyVulpine> It tries to reserve too much RAM.
#3055 [22:03] <Puddles101> nah it didnt, awell i gota live with what i got, still happy
#3056 [22:04] <Puddles101> its strange my proformance seems odly smoother too :P
#3057 [22:06] <Puddles101> thanks again.\
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#3059 [22:12] <LoRDTrevor> how the heck does lowering the amount of ram increase performance. I mean it works but why?
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#3061 [22:12] <Puddles101> i accidentaly lost that batch file, what did i type in it again
#3062 [22:13] <GreyVulpine> java -Xmx256M -Xms256M -cp Minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame
#3063 [22:14] <GreyVulpine> LoRDTrevor - Because it leaves some RAM free, instead of hogging it all
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#3065 [22:14] <GreyVulpine> paging/swapping = performance hit
#3066 [22:14] <LoRDTrevor> ah
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#3068 [22:17] <aaddcc> hey has anyone gotten worldedit cui to work on recent bukkit servers?
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#3070 [22:22] <LoRDTrevor> noticable problem with limited ram: when set on far if you turb fast you see everything getting drawn
#3071 [22:22] <LoRDTrevor> turn*
#3072 [22:28] <LoRDTrevor> thank whoever for those parameters though i can finally play on far without my computer barfing
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#3075 [22:44] <psyX> hellow =)
#3076 [22:45] <GreyVulpine> 'lo
#3077 [22:45] <psyX> I need some1 to test my servers newly rented mumble server. Someone with headset/mic
#3078 [22:45] <GreyVulpine> Bleh, mumble..
#3079 [22:46] <psyX> Could some1 please help me?
#3080 [22:46] * psyX mumbles
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#3083 [22:49] <mib_d8wbr1> helllo? Can you help?
#3084 [22:49] <GreyVulpine> With?
#3085 [22:50] <mib_d8wbr1> My friend and I have a premium account
#3086 [22:50] <mib_d8wbr1> but I can't seem to log into Minecraft on this computer...
#3087 [22:50] <mib_d8wbr1> on his computer it works fine though
#3088 [22:51] <GreyVulpine> Why can't you log into minecraft? What does it give you?
#3089 [22:51] <mib_d8wbr1> "Log in failed"
#3090 [22:51] <GreyVulpine> Did you make sure you're typing in the right login/password?
#3091 [22:52] <mib_d8wbr1> yeah
#3092 [22:52] <mib_d8wbr1> I double-checked with him just right now
#3093 [22:52] <GreyVulpine> You're not just relying on the "remember password" feature, correct?
#3094 [22:52] <GreyVulpine> You're actually typing in the username and password...
#3095 [22:53] <mib_d8wbr1> His account doesn't have a password
#3096 [22:53] <mib_d8wbr1> he left it blank :P
#3097 [22:53] <GreyVulpine> Huh?
#3098 [22:53] <mib_d8wbr1> Like, when he logs in on his computer, he doesn't use a password
#3099 [22:53] <mib_d8wbr1> it just logs in
#3100 [22:54] <GreyVulpine> What's his minecraft username?
#3101 [22:54] <mib_d8wbr1> and he told me that he somehow set the password as nothing O.O
#3102 [22:54] <mib_d8wbr1> conrom...
#3103 [22:54] <LoRDTrevor> somone just pmed me "hi" and innidiantly quit
#3104 [22:54] <GreyVulpine> http://www.minecraft.net/haspaid.jsp?user=conrom
#3105 [22:54] <GreyVulpine> He didn't pay for minecraft
#3106 [22:54] <mib_d8wbr1> false? O.O
#3107 [22:54] <mib_d8wbr1> what..?
#3108 [22:55] <GreyVulpine> Most likely, he's using a cracked version of minecraft, which is why he doesn't need to put in a password
#3109 [22:55] <mib_d8wbr1> >.> gimme a sec...I'm gonna shout on him on the phone :D
#3110 [22:55] <GreyVulpine> He didn't pay for a premium account, if "comrom" is his minecraft username
#3111 [22:55] <GreyVulpine> er, conrom
#3112 [22:55] <mib_d8wbr1> how about mrpistol
#3113 [22:55] <GreyVulpine> http://www.minecraft.net/haspaid.jsp?user=mrpistol
#3114 [22:55] <GreyVulpine> returns true, you're good.
#3115 [22:55] <mib_d8wbr1> ok, thanks :)
#3116 [22:56] <LoRDTrevor> !haspaid mrpistol
#3117 [22:56] <GreyVulpine> !paid mrpistol
#3118 [22:56] <LoRDTrevor> !paid mrpistol
#3119 [22:56] <mib_d8wbr1> though I can't long in that one either XD
#3120 [22:56] <VoxelHead> SNAP
#3121 [22:56] <GreyVulpine> mib_d8wbr1 - Try using the password recovery link
#3122 [22:56] <GreyVulpine> http://www.minecraft.net/forgotpass.jsp
#3123 [22:56] <mib_d8wbr1> ok, thanks :)
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#3126 [23:01] <GreyVulpine> !ping
#3127 [23:01] <GreyBot> GreyVulpine Your Ping time was 0.577 seconds.
#3128 [23:02] <Balthazaar_89> hey, got a problem i could use some help with. Was playing MC the other day when my power cut out. when i got back on, my world wasn't in the list anymore, but i still have the files saved on my comp. anyone know how i can get my world back?
#3129 [23:02] <GreyVulpine> Yes, use a map editor like MCedit
#3130 [23:02] <GreyVulpine> Open it up in that, then resave it.
#3131 [23:03] <Balthazaar_89> thanks ^_^ had so much done in the world, was so upset when i lost it
#3132 [23:04] <GreyVulpine> Completely understand.
#3133 [23:06] <dopeghoti> ??+ lostworld|If a power failure or other event has caused your world to no longer appear in the list, try loading your world in a map editor such as MCEdit, and resaving it. That may correct the corruption and allow you to resume use of your saved world.
#3134 [23:06] <dopeghoti> (no relation to the dinosaur cartoon)
#3135 [23:06] <GreyVulpine> Heh
#3136 [23:06] <VoxelHead> =)
#3137 [23:08] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, MCedit can't be the only beta map editor around, is it?
#3138 [23:08] * GreyVulpine looks up
#3138 [23:09] <dopeghoti> I don't think that it is, but it's the only one whose name I could call up
#3139 [23:09] <GreyVulpine> I've only ever used MCEdit.. wonder if NBTforge has been kept up to date
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#3141 [23:10] <JustHayden> Hey was that 1.4 update today?
#3142 [23:10] <GreyVulpine> Nope
#3143 [23:10] <JustHayden> o
#3144 [23:10] <GreyVulpine> Bah, NBTforge hasn't been updated for 1.3
#3145 [23:11] <JustHayden> when will the update be and how do i update? i havnt been here for an update before
#3146 [23:11] <GreyVulpine> The update will come automatically when it's rolled out, and you run the minecraft launcher
#3147 [23:11] <GreyVulpine> Just wait, it's planned for sometime this week
#3148 [23:12] <GreyVulpine> Updates will be announced on Notch's Blog when they're rolled out. http://notch.tumblr.com/
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#3151 [23:13] <GreyVulpine> Can't believe Minecraft won over Valve in that March developer bracket
#3152 [23:13] <GreyVulpine> er, s/Minecraft/Mojang
#3153 [23:15] <raskull> rofl, it's more of a showing of which community has more /b/tards than anything
#3154 [23:16] <relsqui> holy shit, did it?
#3155 [23:16] <relsqui> ha
#3156 [23:16] <GreyVulpine> Yeah
#3157 [23:16] <GreyVulpine> Some of the rage flying around the forums righ tnow
#3158 [23:17] <GreyVulpine> "His whole operation lacks any semblance of professionalism, being it terms of service, work ethic, Minecraft itself lacks optimization, and modders are making more and higher-quality content, things Notch claimed were "impossible" to do."
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#3160 [23:17] * GreyVulpine snrks
#3160 [23:17] <relsqui> and yet
#3161 [23:17] <relsqui> the game is still awesome
#3162 [23:17] <relsqui> <_<
#3163 [23:18] <GreyVulpine> Considering Notch never really said that last part..
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#3165 [23:18] <dopeghoti> no kidding.
#3166 [23:18] <altair> hy
#3167 [23:19] <altair> anyone?
#3168 [23:19] <GreyVulpine> 'lo
#3169 [23:19] <altair> hy
#3170 [23:20] <altair> anyone?
#3171 [23:20] <dopeghoti> ..what?
#3172 [23:20] <dopeghoti> okay then, good talk.
#3173 [23:20] <GreyVulpine> Okay then..
#3174 [23:21] <GreyVulpine> I especially liked the comparison of Minecraft to Farmville.
#3175 [23:21] <GreyVulpine> Giving up a screenshot of pixel art as proof of similarity
#3176 [23:21] <raskull> seems legit
#3177 [23:21] <VoxelHead> i wish they didn't have to go =O
#3178 [23:28] <Balthazaar_89> hey im back. went and got MCedit, opened my lost world, it was all there, was very happy, resaved, it was back in the list, but said it was 0.0mb, and when i play its just a black screen, though i can call up the menu. any ideas why it didn't work?
#3179 [23:31] <xales> Try saving it again
#3180 [23:38] <Balthazaar_89> i opened it, moved my spawn point and player position to the surface, just in case. it seems to work, though i randomly get stuck places and the screen starts shuddering. when i quit and re-enter i cant move
#3181 [23:38] <xales> Are you using any mods?
#3182 [23:45] <Balthazaar_89> only MCedit
#3183 [23:46] <xales> It sounds like the world is corrupted beyond anything fixable then, but you'd have to ask GreyVulpine
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