#1 [00:00] <DopeGhoti> I'm sure the server will update in time.
#2 [00:00] <heater> ya but that can be a week or so who knows
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#7 [00:11] <neviklink> help
#8 [00:12] <neviklink> anyone here????
#9 [00:12] <SinZ> with
#10 [00:12] <GreyVulpine> With?
#11 [00:12] <LG_Legacy> Saying help doesn't help us.
#12 [00:12] <TorchDragon> Hmm, so have we confirmed whether or not bed-spawn points are SSP only?
#13 [00:12] <Aska990> hello
#14 [00:12] <Aska990> 1.4 \o/
#15 [00:12] <neviklink> sleeping in beds on my server moves the spawn like 20 blocks away each time
#16 [00:13] <neviklink> so its like ridiculously farnow
#17 [00:13] <neviklink> any suggestions?
#18 [00:13] <SinZ> what server software
#19 [00:14] <neviklink> the minecraft server.exe
#20 [00:14] <SinZ> mmk
#21 [00:14] <neviklink> i upadted it today
#22 [00:14] <SinZ> i have no advice then
#23 [00:14] <GreyVulpine> What's going on?
#24 [00:14] <neviklink> i mean i could edit the spwn point back but it would prbs just move again
#25 [00:15] <SinZ> beds moving spawn greyvulpine
#26 [00:15] <SinZ> in smp
#27 [00:15] <SinZ> i like the new title for minecraft
#28 [00:16] <neviklink> any advice
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#31 [00:17] <neviklink> i guess not
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#33 [00:17] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, I haven't worked with beds in SMP yet.
#34 [00:17] <GreyVulpine> I'd give you an answer if I had one.
#35 [00:17] <JonathanS> so now everytime you sleep your spawn is changed?
#36 [00:18] <neviklink> yeah it moves like 20 blocks over
#37 [00:18] <neviklink> in the same direction
#38 [00:18] <JonathanS> that sucks
#39 [00:18] <neviklink> yes it does
#40 [00:18] <SinZ> >:( he moved the inventory default control
#41 [00:18] <neviklink> ???
#42 [00:19] <SinZ> the defaults now e
#43 [00:19] <DopeGhoti> that's where I moved it to anyhow
#44 [00:19] <neviklink> mine is still i
#45 [00:21] <neviklink> anyway i guess ill check later
#46 [00:21] <neviklink> see iff theres a solution
#47 [00:21] <JonathanS> i guess notch thought sleeping was kinda cheap
#48 [00:21] <JonathanS> and for pussies ;)
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#50 [00:24] <neviklink> sleepin is for square headed people
#51 [00:24] <neviklink> oh wait
#52 [00:24] <raskull> woot, finally found a dungeon with a green music disk!
#53 [00:24] <DopeGhoti> yay
#54 [00:24] <raskull> after about 12 or so dungeons heh
#55 [00:24] <neviklink> i got a gold one on sp
#56 [00:24] <raskull> I have both now
#57 [00:24] <neviklink> on mp i gave myself one
#58 [00:24] <raskull> hax
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#60 [00:25] <neviklink> wahts the s mean in smp ssp
#61 [00:25] <[z]> Survival
#62 [00:25] <raskull> survival
#63 [00:25] <Phenex> Anyone here knowledgeable with video cards and willing to help suggest one for me?
#64 [00:26] <xales> Phenex: Any modern ATI/NVidia card that fits in your computer
#65 [00:26] <Phenex> I should also say that I am pci chipset.
#66 [00:27] <TorchDragon> Ermm....
#67 [00:27] <raskull> you should really upgrade to pci-e
#68 [00:27] <TorchDragon> You only have a PCI slot?
#69 [00:27] <TorchDragon> Hopefully PCI-Express?
#70 [00:27] <Phenex> no
#71 [00:27] <Phenex> lol
#72 [00:27] <Phenex> thats the issue
#73 [00:27] <raskull> no sence in spending money on a mobo that old
#74 [00:27] <TorchDragon> Well, uh, good luck.
#75 [00:27] <TorchDragon> Yep.
#76 [00:27] <TorchDragon> Save up $600 and build a brand new machine.
#77 [00:27] <TorchDragon> It'll handle most anything you can throw at it.
#78 [00:27] <Phenex> If I didn't have higher priorities than a new computer, I would
#79 [00:28] * VoxelHead is away: campus
#79 [00:28] <TorchDragon> Well, unfortunately, they don't make PCI cards anymore.
#80 [00:28] <Phenex> hence the vid card upgrade.
#81 [00:28] <Phenex> lol
#82 [00:28] <TorchDragon> What is your current video card?
#83 [00:28] <Phenex> then why do I find them all over the net in brand new boxes? lol
#84 [00:28] <Phenex> not sure one second
#85 [00:28] <raskull> trouble is, any nre vid card will likely require you to upgrade your psu as well.. you might as well toss in a cheap mobo and some ram in there..
#86 [00:29] <Phenex> Ive already upgrade the ram
#87 [00:29] <xales> If you don't have a PCI-E slot, you'll have large difficulty finding a semi-decent card
#88 [00:30] <Phenex> I've found cards that are nearly 200 dollars for pci and seem to be pretty high specs given the slot
#89 [00:30] <xales> No, they would just be old cards
#90 [00:30] <xales> They don't make PCI cards any more
#91 [00:31] <Phenex> Intel(R) 82845G/GL/GE/PE/GV Graphics Controller
#92 [00:31] <Phenex> is my current
#93 [00:31] <TorchDragon> egads no.
#94 [00:31] <Phenex> lol
#95 [00:31] <xales> If your computer is old enough to have that...
#96 [00:31] <TorchDragon> Yeah....
#97 [00:31] <xales> you really should just spend $400-ish on a laptop
#98 [00:32] <Phenex> I can run the game
#99 [00:32] <TorchDragon> $400 would build a better desktop...
#100 [00:32] <Phenex> its just choppy
#101 [00:32] <TorchDragon> I can run the game on my netbook.
#102 [00:32] <Phenex> Wouldn't upgrading the card to something of 512 solve that?
#103 [00:32] <xales> TorchDragon: Laptops occasionally run cheaper than desktops, especially with Dell's recent "free upgrades"
#104 [00:32] <TorchDragon> Just adding more video memory doesn't mean athing.
#105 [00:32] <xales> ^
#106 [00:33] <TorchDragon> Ahhh. Dell. Ye' ol' bargin bin.
#107 [00:33] <Phenex> well, would the specs not be higher if there is more video memory?
#108 [00:33] <xales> It doesn't work like that
#109 [00:33] <Phenex> Okay.
#110 [00:33] <raskull> your cpu would still be a bottleneck for the whole system
#111 [00:33] <raskull> among other things
#112 [00:33] <xales> I can get an NVidia GTX 220 with 1GB of RAM, which would be far inferior to a GTX 265
#113 [00:33] <xales> also with 1GB of VRAM
#114 [00:33] <Phenex> Can you suggest anything OTHER than a new computer that could help me here?
#115 [00:34] <xales> You'll end up spending more money getting it to work than buying a new computer
#116 [00:34] <Phenex> hmph.
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#118 [00:34] <raskull> Phenex: turn the hand crank in the back? :P
#119 [00:34] <Phenex> ;)
#120 [00:34] <xales> "I don't want to buy a new car, so I'll just get a Model T and use the headlights from it."
#121 [00:35] <xales> |:
#122 [00:35] <Phenex> heh
#123 [00:35] <Phenex> Now that just makes me sound stupid ;)
#124 [00:35] <xales> Not my intention, but the concept is equally as silly
#125 [00:35] <xales> They don't make those cards any more, getting a decent PCI card would be expensive
#126 [00:35] <Phenex> Indeed lol
#127 [00:36] <xales> Not to mention that you would almost certainly need to upgrade the PSU as well
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#129 [00:36] <Phenex> If I knew anything about building computers, Iwould.
#130 [00:36] <raskull> any suggestions on an image viewer that's good at looking at 70mb png files? my generated map is too big
#131 [00:36] <Phenex> I could come up with the funds
#132 [00:37] <Phenex> but I build houses, not computers
#133 [00:37] <xales> You could get an...okay...computer from, say, HP or Dell for around $400
#134 [00:37] <xales> It would be massively better than putting an old PCI card in your current computer
#135 [00:37] <raskull> Phenex: it's shockingly easy.. anyone could build their own with about 20 mins of watching videos on youtube
#136 [00:37] <xales> And cost about the same
#137 [00:37] <Phenex> Would it not be more cost effective to buy everything and build it?
#138 [00:38] <TorchDragon> It would be, but you'd have to know how to do it.
#139 [00:38] <xales> It certainly would be, but ^
#140 [00:38] <TorchDragon> And honestly, unless you're going mid-high end parts, its not worth it.
#141 [00:38] <TorchDragon> Get a cheaper machine from whoever, then just by a low-mid range video card
#142 [00:39] <xales> The low-end Dells come with enough of a card to run Minecraft pretty decently
#143 [00:39] <xales> I think
#144 [00:39] <xales> I know HP does |:
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#146 [00:40] <Phenex> If I was going to get a new computer, I would want something relatively good
#147 [00:40] <Phenex> not just something so so
#148 [00:40] <TorchDragon> to be honest, most machines are going to be more juice than the average person needs.
#149 [00:40] <xales> You get what you pay for. If you are looking for something cheap, it won't be that good
#150 [00:40] <Phenex> Obviously
#151 [00:40] <Phenex> Cheap isn't the word I'd use....more cost effective
#152 [00:40] <xales> You'll probably end up spending around $600-$800 for a "good" computer if you build it yourself
#153 [00:40] <Phenex> Bang for my buck if you will
#154 [00:40] <xales> twice that if you don't
#155 [00:41] <TorchDragon> Unless you're driving a pair of 30" super high resolution monitors, it doesn't take much at all to handle every game currently on the market.
#156 [00:43] <Wug> xales, about that much
#157 [00:43] <Wug> for a decent (but somewhat dated) computer
#158 [00:43] <xales> VoxelHead, please kick Wug
#159 [00:43] <xales> Wug: not really, no
#160 [00:43] <Wug> Voxelhead, please kick Xales.
#161 [00:43] <Wug> he is an troll
#162 [00:43] <xales> you can't get a top-of-the-line Phenom/i7, but it will be better than most computers
#163 [00:43] * VoxelHead kicked Wug from #minecrafthelp (Reason: request)
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#165 [00:44] <Wug> its like he only does it when you're around
#166 [00:44] <xales> I turn it off when I'm not
#167 [00:44] <xales> :)
#168 [00:44] <Wug> is it something anyone can do?
#169 [00:44] <Wug> voxelhead, please kick wug.
#170 [00:45] <raskull> that would defeat the purpose of ops
#171 [00:45] <Wug> i made it kick xales a few times the other day
#172 [00:45] <Wug> it was very lulzy
#173 [00:45] * VoxelHead kicked Wug from #minecrafthelp (Reason: request)
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#175 [00:46] <Wug> xales - what criteria does it use for kick allowance apart from whether it's enabled?
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#177 [00:46] <Wug> just if it's requested?
#178 [00:46] <xales> yes
#179 [00:46] <Wug> lol
#180 [00:46] <Wug> can it ban people? >.>
#181 [00:47] <Wug> im not testing that on myself
#182 [00:47] <xales> maybe
#183 [00:47] <xales> :3
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#185 [00:47] <Filth> When I open this game in a browser and pick a world, the game starts paused, and clicking "Back to game" only makes the "Saving level..." text appear in the bottom left corner but doesn't unpause the game. Anyone know why? The other menu buttons work just fine.
#186 [00:47] <xales> Filth: Try not playing it in the browser
#187 [00:48] <Wug> use the escape key.
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#189 [00:48] <Wug> clicking gets broken after you fullscreen the game, its a long time known bug
#190 [00:49] <Filth> Esc doesn't do anything.
#191 [00:49] <Wug> xales, send voxelhead to #minecraft so I can make it kick xales
#192 [00:49] <Wug> and by xales i meant visiiri
#193 [00:49] <xales> Try downloading it and not playing it in the browser
#194 [00:50] <Filth> The reason I tried playing in a browser was that moving my mouse in the downloaded client makes the screen spin wildly, and I wanted to see if I could still play in the browser version.
#195 [00:50] <xales> Did it always do that?
#196 [00:50] <Filth> Bought the game today.
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#199 [00:51] <xales> Try pressing F8 in the download client
#200 [00:52] <Wug> voxelhead, join #minecraft
#201 [00:52] <Phenex> Xales: You think it's a good idea to buy parts off kijiji to save money? or is that risky
#202 [00:52] <xales> Get them from NewEgg
#203 [00:53] <Wug> newegg is the awesometier
#204 [00:53] <Phenex> Which is?
#205 [00:53] <Wug> www.newegg.com
#206 [00:53] <Wug> ^ *clicky*
#207 [00:53] <Phenex> Way ahead of you lol
#208 [00:53] <TorchDragon> Newegg = freakin awesome.
#209 [00:53] <Phenex> Is there something about them that sets them apart from say, Tigerdirect?
#210 [00:54] <Tanjoodo_iPod> Newegg = a freshly laid egg
#211 [00:54] <TorchDragon> Where do you live?
#212 [00:54] <TorchDragon> I live in SE Pennsylvania, they have a warehouse in Edison, NJ.
#213 [00:54] <Phenex> Ontario
#214 [00:54] <TorchDragon> I never pay for anything but 3-day shipping and I get it overnight.
#215 [00:55] <TorchDragon> Also, their return policies and procedures are wonderful and they're genuinely not trying to screw you over.
#216 [00:55] <TorchDragon> Also, they have some really good sales almost all the time.
#217 [00:56] <Phenex> but generally, it's the same as tigerdirect and other retail shops
#218 [00:56] <Phenex> ?
#219 [00:57] <AndrewPH|AFK> aside from the fact that I've never heard of tigerdirect before
#220 [00:57] <TorchDragon> I've heard of tigerdirect.
#221 [00:57] <Wug> ive heard of them
#222 [00:57] <TorchDragon> I can't say anything bad about them because I've never used them.
#223 [00:57] <TorchDragon> I've been using Newegg for the past 10 years for computer bits.
#224 [00:57] <Wug> I bought my whole computer from newegg, pieece by piece
#225 [00:57] <Wug> it went wonderfully.
#226 [00:57] <Phenex> I only used them as an example because there is one very close by
#227 [00:58] <TorchDragon> :-) I've built about 8 machines ordering from them.
#228 [00:58] <Phenex> It would probably be cheaper for my to buy from the local shop, instead of paying for shipping etc
#229 [00:59] <AG_Scott> Unlikely Phenex.
#230 [00:59] <AG_Scott> Newegg is generally the cheapest unless somewhere is having a sale.
#231 [00:59] <AG_Scott> Just find a free shipping coupon.
#232 [00:59] <TorchDragon> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.611167
#233 [00:59] <McPlusPlus> "Newegg.com - Computer Parts, PC Components, Laptop Computers, LED LCD TV, Digital Cameras and more!" at www.newegg.com
#234 [00:59] <TorchDragon> Check my link.
#235 [00:59] <TorchDragon> Add a video card to that and you're good to go.
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#237 [01:00] <TorchDragon> That's basically a "build it yourself" in a box.
#238 [01:02] <Phenex> interesting
#239 [01:02] <Phenex> and a decent card for that would run how much?
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#241 [01:02] <TorchDragon> $75+
#242 [01:03] <TorchDragon> Depending how much you wanted to spend.
#243 [01:04] <Phenex> hahaha I love this little note on the computer info
#244 [01:04] <TorchDragon> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102902
#245 [01:04] <McPlusPlus> "Newegg.com - SAPPHIRE Ultimate 100289UL Radeon HD 5670 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card w/ Eyefinity" at www.newegg.com
#246 [01:04] <Phenex> "Newegg cannot guarantee the compatibility of these parts"
#247 [01:04] <TorchDragon> Something like that would keep you going for a while.
#248 [01:04] * xales kicked McPlusPlus from #minecrafthelp (Reason: McPlusPlus)
#249 [01:05] <Phenex> They put it in a combo pack but don't guarantee they will work together
#250 [01:05] <Phenex> "Heres your brand new car sir, we can't promise it's going to start though"
#251 [01:06] <TorchDragon> Its a CYA for them.
#252 [01:06] <Phenex> A what?
#253 [01:06] <TorchDragon> "We put these parts together and we're reasonably sure they're going to work, but if you muck it up somehow, we're not responsible."
#254 [01:06] <TorchDragon> Cover Your *ss
#255 [01:07] <TorchDragon> Basically, they won't be liable for the thing not working if you decide to jam the processor in place using a nailgun.
#256 [01:07] <TorchDragon> FYI, don't use a nailgun at all while building a computer.
#257 [01:08] <Phenex> Thanks for the tip
#258 [01:08] <xales> TorchDragon: Unless you are building the case...
#259 [01:08] <xales> but even then, not ideal
#260 [01:08] <Wug> lol
#261 [01:09] <Phenex> I was actually going to use PL Premium adhesive..
#262 [01:09] <Wug> i acquired 2 super junker boxes
#263 [01:09] <Wug> one of them has a pentium 4, the other a pentium 2
#264 [01:09] <Wug> a total of 640MB ram between them
#265 [01:09] <Phenex> Hmm if you think this computer is crap, you would hear my previous one to this
#266 [01:10] <Wug> im going to assemble them into a working frankenputer and hang it from my wall and host websites from it
#267 [01:10] <xales> lol
#268 [01:10] <Phenex> Pentium 1 133 mhz, 64mb ram, a massive 1.12 GB harddrive
#269 [01:10] <Wug> it's literally going to be components glued to cardboard
#270 [01:10] <Phenex> a graphics card that I could probably shit out nowadays
#271 [01:11] <Phenex> Pretty much
#272 [01:19] <Phenex> TorchDragon: I didn't even realize you gave me the US link
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#277 [01:29] <scabs4lyfe> how do i register nickname?
#278 [01:30] <aetherian> /msg register help
#279 [01:30] <aetherian> follow those instructions, I can't remember
#280 [01:30] <xales> ??> scabs4lyfe irc
#281 [01:30] <VoxelHead> scabs4lyfe: (irc) For IRC help, you should ask in the channel #help - you can get there using the command "/join #help"
#282 [01:30] <VoxelHead> scabs4lyfe: (irc) If you can't talk in #minecraft ("Cannot send to channel") you must register your IRC nickname, using the command "/msg NickServ REGISTER password email". Remember to use a valid email. Go to #help if you need further assistance with this
#283 [01:30] <aetherian> oh damn
#284 [01:30] <aetherian> I forgot to put in the chanserv
#285 [01:31] <aetherian> nickserv
#286 [01:31] <aetherian> whatever, I'm going to stop making an ass of myself now
#287 [01:32] <Phenex> Is there a way to quickly navigate to my posts in teh forums?
#288 [01:32] <xales> What do you mean?
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#290 [01:33] <Phenex> I got replies to my posts but it was days ago and I can't find my thread amongst them all. Is there a quick way to get to the,
#291 [01:33] <xales> Go to your user control panel
#292 [01:33] <xales> there is an option there to see threads/posts you have made
#293 [01:33] <Phenex> Awesome, Thanks
#294 [01:33] <Tech-Sensei> Hello. I recently started running a minecraft server so my girlfriend and I can play together over LAN. I'm noticing significant latency and framerate issues connecting to my own server running on my own computer. Are there ways to optimize this?
#295 [01:34] <aetherian> it takes quite a bit of power to run both client and server
#296 [01:34] <xales> Tech-Sensei: It sounds like your computer can't handle running both the server and the client - many can't. Nothing you can really do about it
#297 [01:35] <Tech-Sensei> It is CPU power or GPU power? I've got a lot of room to overclock on this machine
#298 [01:35] <xales> Mostly CPU and RAM
#299 [01:35] <xales> Servers don't use the GPU whatsoever
#300 [01:35] <aetherian> thank god for that
#301 [01:35] <xales> (real servers don't even have GPUs, in most cases)
#302 [01:35] <Tech-Sensei> And I've got 4 gigs of ram on a 64 bit OS (win vista 64) so RAM also isn' tan issue, correct?
#303 [01:36] <xales> 4GB probably won't be enough with Vista
#304 [01:36] <Tech-Sensei> Man... I used this nick on this network 10 years ago, and now I'm old and need help with basic internets.
#305 [01:36] <xales> CPU is the more likely bottleneck, however
#306 [01:36] <Wug> some systems can take advantage of a gpu for parallel processing
#307 [01:37] <xales> Wug: But a rackmount server?
#308 [01:37] <Wug> the worlds fastest superclusters are mostly gpu driven
#309 [01:37] <xales> ._.
#310 [01:37] <xales> you know what I mean
#311 [01:37] <Wug> gpus offer great flops/watts
#312 [01:38] <Tech-Sensei> K well I'll try overclocking around 10% and see if that improves it
#313 [01:38] <Wug> and a mid-range gpu today is better than the fastest processer by an order of magnitude
#314 [01:38] <Tech-Sensei> I've got a 2.6 ghz dual core, that's probably a bit dated isn't it?
#315 [01:38] <Wug> yep, i's say so
#316 [01:38] <xales> Oh yeah, that's the problem then
#317 [01:38] <xales> I have a 3GHz dual core that can't handle it
#318 [01:38] <Phenex> Clicking "show your posts" doesnt show anything. Just important announcenets
#319 [01:38] <Wug> that belongs in #minecraftforums
#320 [01:38] <Tech-Sensei> Hmm. And I don't think my 680i motherboard can upgrade to quad core :(
#321 [01:39] <Wug> and it's because the search is disabled
#322 [01:39] <xales> Overclocking it to ~3.9GHz at the moment, and it works fine like that |:
#323 [01:39] <Wug> get a 2600k. they're sexy
#324 [01:39] <Wug> you
#325 [01:39] <aetherian> aww, my commodore 128 can't run my server?
#326 [01:39] <Phenex> I already got answers in here about it..
#327 [01:39] <Wug> 'll need a new mobo
#328 [01:39] <xales> Tech-Sensei: More cores won't help
#329 [01:39] <xales> Minecraft can only use one core
#330 [01:39] <Tech-Sensei> Ick.
#331 [01:39] <aetherian> pity
#332 [01:39] <Wug> the server is well threaded
#333 [01:40] <Wug> it uses a thread for each player
#334 [01:40] <Tech-Sensei> One suggestion I'd make would before the server program to have a "LAN mode" to make it easy to find a game on a LAN.
#335 [01:40] <xales> What's hard about typing the IP? :|
#336 [01:41] <Wug> get a 2600k, they're only like $340 and they're amazingly overclockable
#337 [01:41] <Tech-Sensei> Not everyone is as technologically savy
#338 [01:41] <Wug> you can get one to 5ghz
#339 [01:41] <xales> If you can't figure out something like that, you shouldn't be running a server
#340 [01:41] <Tech-Sensei> Wg, yeah that's a little outside my price range at the moment. It would take my current computer dying to justify an expense like that
#341 [01:41] <Tech-Sensei> Xales, so someone who isn't technologically savy shouldn't be able to play minecraft with his friends on a LAN?
#342 [01:42] <Wug> after overclocking, it has THE BEST price to performance ratio of any processor.
#343 [01:42] <xales> It's not a "technologically savvy" issue, it's a general intelligence issue
#344 [01:42] <Wug> at least in the high end spectrum
#345 [01:42] <xales> If you can't figure it out, either by learning it or finding resources to understand it
#346 [01:42] <Tech-Sensei> Wug, I'll look into it.
#347 [01:42] <xales> you really aren't competant enough to run a server
#348 [01:42] <xales> :|
#349 [01:42] <Wug> includes most quad cores, some dul cores, all 6 cores, xeons, opterons, etc
#350 [01:42] <Tech-Sensei> Xales, that is a horribly shitty attitude.
#351 [01:43] <Tech-Sensei> "If you're not as smart as me, you shouldn't be able to enjoy the activities I enjoy."
#352 [01:43] <Wug> xales is sort of right
#353 [01:43] <xales> I didn't say that at all
#354 [01:43] <Wug> you should have to pass a test to be allowed to run a server
#355 [01:43] <xales> If you aren't going to make the effort or can't, to understand what you are doing, you shouldn't do it
#356 [01:43] <Wug> running a server has a bunch of tech issues associated with it
#357 [01:43] <Tech-Sensei> Why does it have to?
#358 [01:43] <Wug> its kind of like how if you run a server and you don't make backups, you deserve to lose your map
#359 [01:44] <Tech-Sensei> What is 'wrong' with 'push this button to host LAN server, push that button to connect to LAN server"
#360 [01:44] <Wug> its more technologically complex than push a button
#361 [01:44] <aetherian> competant... heh... oh the irony...
#362 [01:44] <Tech-Sensei> Why should it has to be?
#363 [01:44] <Wug> theres nothing wrong with having it work that way... its just not possible.
#364 [01:44] <xales> There is plenty wrong with it. If you were a software developer, you would understand. I get the feeling you aren't
#365 [01:44] <Wug> u no liek my seplling?
#366 [01:44] <xales> I really don't have time to go into a long discussion explaining it to you right now
#367 [01:45] <aetherian> aww
#368 [01:45] <Tech-Sensei> Ah yes, because everyone who wants to play multiplayer with a friend should have to pass a technology test instead of... ya know... play the game?
#369 [01:45] <aetherian> I thought it was going to be another debate night
#370 [01:45] <aetherian> Tech-Sensei: precisely, now you're getting it
#371 [01:45] <Tech-Sensei> Hey, here's an idea. Let's include that for other games! You can't host a Black Ops server until you hit max rank, you can't host a Battlefield server until you can accurately fly a helicopter. You can't use Microsoft Word until you know everything Clippy would have told you.
#372 [01:45] <Wug> minecraft is, you know, in beta (im sure you've heard this a million times)
#373 [01:46] <Wug> you don't have to be good at minecraft to host a server. you do have to be good at hosting servers though.
#374 [01:46] <aetherian> Tech-Sensei: nonono, it's like, "you can't host a black ops server until you know how to host a black ops server"
#375 [01:46] <Tech-Sensei> Well clearly I don't 'Deserve' to play minecraft with my girlfriend.
#376 [01:46] <aetherian> I find it funny you have such a nick though
#377 [01:46] <Wug> are you qualified to host a server?
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#379 [01:46] <Wug> ...
#380 [01:47] <xales> ._.
#381 [01:47] <xales> wat
#382 [01:47] <xales> there
#383 [01:47] <Wug> thats not nice
#384 [01:47] <xales> neither was his attitude
#385 [01:47] <Wug> ca... california
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#387 [01:47] <aetherian> I think xales is grumpy
#388 [01:47] <xales> I didn't ban the entire range
#389 [01:47] <aetherian> he just needs a hug
#390 [01:47] <xales> That's how I normally set bans
#391 [01:47] * Wug hugs xales
#391 [01:48] <xales> ident + entire range
#392 [01:48] <xales> :|
#393 [01:48] <DopeGhoti> vox, increase power to empathy emitters
#394 [01:48] <aetherian> he's away >.>
#395 [01:48] * Vox is snoozing
#395 [01:49] * xales sets fire to VoxelHead
#395 [01:49] <aetherian> hehehe, that little edit I made is still there. I wonder when it'll get fixed
#396 [01:49] <xales> DopeGhoti: Doesn't work
#397 [01:49] <xales> :)
#398 [01:50] <DopeGhoti> xales: that's because someone told vox to shut up, so it is.
#399 [01:50] <Wug> vox, full power to spaghettification beams
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#401 [01:50] <Phenex> His power level!...ITS OVER 3000!!!!!!!!!!!
#402 [01:50] <Wug> but seriously
#403 [01:50] <aetherian> WHOA
#404 [01:50] <Phenex> WHAT! 3000
#405 [01:50] <Phenex> !?!?
#406 [01:51] <Wug> running a server is not for the faint of technology-orientedness
#407 [01:51] <aetherian> it's at least two more than eight thousand nine hundred and ninety-nine :o
#408 [01:51] <xales> DopeGhoti: Nope, he is just normally "away"
#409 [01:51] <xales> 01:50:20 -!- away : campus
#410 [01:51] * Wug leaves voxelhead a memo with memoserv
#410 [01:51] <Phenex> I have a friend who is running a server
#411 [01:51] <Wug> hows that going?
#412 [01:51] <Phenex> okay so far
#413 [01:51] <DopeGhoti> xales: not just that
#414 [01:51] <DopeGhoti> 22:51 <voxelhead> I am silent.
#415 [01:51] <DopeGhoti> 22:51 <voxelhead> I am away.
#416 [01:52] <xales> He is silent because he is away
#417 [01:52] <xales> :)
#418 [01:52] <VoxelHead> ^_^
#419 [01:52] <Phenex> He had a few errors for the first 3 or 4 times we used it
#420 [01:52] <DopeGhoti> away is just.. away. silent is "been told to shut up" mode
#421 [01:52] <Phenex> but now its okay
#422 [01:52] <aetherian> vox, hug xales
#423 [01:52] <xales> DopeGhoti: are you sure?
#424 [01:52] <aetherian> oh, he's away again
#425 [01:52] <Phenex> Hes not overly smart with computers but anytime we had an issue we just use forums and solve it within an hour
#426 [01:52] <xales> I'm pretty sure being away is also silent by default
#427 [01:52] <DopeGhoti> yes; silent and away are different things
#428 [01:53] <aetherian> and he's back :D
#429 [01:53] <xales> VoxelHead: test
#430 [01:53] <VoxelHead> Howdy.
#431 [01:53] <Wug> can he update the server jar?
#432 [01:53] <DopeGhoti> (/me just desilenced it)
#433 [01:53] <Phenex> You mean did he update the server to 1.4?
#434 [01:53] <VoxelHead> bye acky
#435 [01:53] <Wug> :)
#436 [01:54] <Phenex> If so, then yes he updated the server
#437 [01:54] <aetherian> great
#438 [01:54] <Wug> ive been in here all day, you wouldn;t believe the number of people who we have had to guide through the process of updating it
#439 [01:54] <Phenex> It's similar to installing mods, correct?
#440 [01:55] <Wug> not even close
#441 [01:55] <Phenex> lmao
#442 [01:55] <Phenex> Okay the
#443 [01:55] <Phenex> then*
#444 [01:55] <Wug> you download a new jar and swap the old one out
#445 [01:55] <Wug> or a new exe or what have you
#446 [01:55] <Phenex> Exactly what I thought
#447 [01:55] <Phenex> well thats kind of similar lol
#448 [01:55] <Wug> its no different than configuring it the first time
#449 [01:56] <Wug> but people don't seem able to figure it out
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#451 [01:56] <Phenex> Doesn't seem like running a server would be overly difficult...
#452 [01:56] <Phenex> Unless it had a high capacity
#453 [01:56] <aetherian> it's not
#454 [01:56] <Wug> there can be rough spots
#455 [01:56] <Wug> especially because the server handles so poorly on windows
#456 [01:56] <Phenex> I could see a lot of problems with big volumes of players etc.
#457 [01:56] <aetherian> you download, portforward, run, stop, edit propertied, run again
#458 [01:56] <aetherian> and it's done
#459 [01:57] <aetherian> edit properties, even
#460 [01:57] <Phenex> Relatively simple
#461 [01:57] <Wug> I was having issues with more than 3 or 4 people running the windows server
#462 [01:57] <Wug> so I installed ubuntu server.
#463 [01:57] <Wug> that's not for beginners at all
#464 [01:57] <Phenex> Ubuntu is what?
#465 [01:58] <aetherian> wahaha
#466 [01:58] <Wug> ubuntu server edition. its an operating system
#467 [01:58] <Phenex> Cool
#468 [01:58] <aetherian> that's... that's still easy to get the server running
#469 [01:58] <Wug> the server edition doesn't come with a graphical environment (text only)
#470 [01:58] <Phenex> Do you recommend over Windows?
#471 [01:58] <aetherian> install java, download file, run file.
#472 [01:58] <xales> Highly
#473 [01:58] <xales> Windows is horrible for any kind of server
#474 [01:58] <Wug> for running the server? absolutely
#475 [01:58] <Phenex> I meant ingeneral
#476 [01:58] <aetherian> (and for a home os)
#477 [01:59] <Phenex> What do you mean text onlu?
#478 [01:59] <Wug> its a pain to get going, but its wonderful for doing server stuff
#479 [01:59] <Phenex> only*
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#481 [01:59] <Wug> for regular use, you'd use ubuntu deaktop
#482 [01:59] <xales> It doesn't have a GUI
#483 [01:59] <aetherian> Phenex: command prompt like thing, only a CLI
#484 [01:59] <Wug> which does have a gui
#485 [01:59] <Phenex> It being the OS?
#486 [01:59] <Wug> yes.
#487 [01:59] <Phenex> I know wha GUI is
#488 [01:59] <Phenex> Assume I have a basic knowledge ;)
#489 [01:59] <xales> You can install one, but shouldn't. It's just a waste of resources
#490 [02:00] <Phenex> Understandably
#491 [02:00] <Wug> I installed a basic one because I intend to actually play minecraft while hosting it
#492 [02:00] <Phenex> I'm not sure cmd prompt OS is for me thoug
#493 [02:00] <aetherian> "you know, I've got some linux understanding, but I just can't find out who the heck this root person is"
#494 [02:00] <xales> It's not suitable for day-to-day use by most users
#495 [02:00] <Wug> you'd want ubuntu desktop (more appropriate for everyday use)
#496 [02:00] <xales> It's fabulous for servers
#497 [02:00] <aetherian> no you wouldn't...
#498 [02:00] <aetherian> gnome is a piece of bloat
#499 [02:01] <aetherian> get xfce :D
#500 [02:01] <xales> aetherian: no, ratpoison
#501 [02:01] <xales> >:D
#502 [02:01] <aetherian> @_@
#503 [02:01] <Phenex> Are there free OS with GUI?
#504 [02:01] <Wug> ubuntu desktop edition
#505 [02:01] <aetherian> lol
#506 [02:01] <Wug> ?? ubuntu
#507 [02:01] <aetherian> hundreds of them, likely
#508 [02:01] <xales> Any Linux distro can have a GUI installed on it
#509 [02:01] <AG_Scott> Ubuntu, Fedora, Mint, CentOS, Debian...
#510 [02:01] <AG_Scott> There's thousands
#511 [02:02] <aetherian> and wug, ubuntu desktop edition is fail
#512 [02:02] <AG_Scott> The first 2 are the more popular desktop distros
#513 [02:02] <xales> AG_Scott: FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD...
#514 [02:02] <Wug> http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download
#515 [02:02] <aetherian> don
#516 [02:02] <Phenex> What kind of issues are there with programs off the net that run on windows?
#517 [02:02] <aetherian> don't do it, wug
#518 [02:02] <Wug> how is it fail
#519 [02:02] <aetherian> that thing fails it
#520 [02:02] <xales> They don't work. At all, Phenex.
#521 [02:02] <aetherian> gnome is so bloated
#522 [02:02] <AG_Scott> Gnome <3
#523 [02:02] <aetherian> lolgnome
#524 [02:02] <Wug> so remove it and replace it with something else
#525 [02:02] <xales> You could install WINE and some of them would "work"...sortof
#526 [02:02] <Phenex> Bummer
#527 [02:02] <Phenex> Damn windows...
#528 [02:03] <Wug> or just remove it
#529 [02:03] <xales> But there are far better alternatives to all Windows-only programs
#530 [02:03] <aetherian> cure you microsoooffttt.......
#531 [02:03] <xales> excluding games
#532 [02:03] <aetherian> xales, there are good games for linux
#533 [02:03] <xales> And they are almost all free
#534 [02:03] <aetherian> like sauerbraten :D
#535 [02:03] <Phenex> Im not a big pc gamer
#536 [02:03] <Wug> like minecraft
#537 [02:03] <xales> aetherian: I didn't say there weren't
#538 [02:03] <aetherian> and nethack :D
#539 [02:03] <AG_Scott> He said alternatives.
#540 [02:03] <xales> Phenex: Try ubuntu then :o
#541 [02:03] <Phenex> Thats a lie, I', not a pc gamer
#542 [02:03] <aetherian> xubuntu, you should get
#543 [02:03] <Phenex> ps3 does it for me
#544 [02:04] <Phenex> I am in dire need of a pc upgrade but Linux or Ubunutu Desktop seems like a good diea
#545 [02:04] <xales> aetherian: or just not Ubuntu at all. Derp.
#546 [02:04] <aetherian> xales: it needs to be good for beginners. Derp.
#547 [02:04] <xales> exactly
#548 [02:04] <aetherian> I'd be running LXDE but I figure my computer can handle more than that
#549 [02:04] <Phenex> Is Ubuntu noobie frindly?
#550 [02:04] <xales> if you want easy, go with Ubuntu
#551 [02:05] <xales> Phenex: Ubuntu is designed to be
#552 [02:05] <Wug> ubuntu's ok
#553 [02:05] <aetherian> and if you want really easy
#554 [02:05] <aetherian> get linux mint
#555 [02:05] <xales> Neither is "easier"
#556 [02:05] <aetherian> (the bloatware linux)
#557 [02:05] <Wug> its easy to install and test
#558 [02:05] <xales> Ubuntu has a much larger community
#559 [02:05] <Wug> and is officially supported
#560 [02:06] <aetherian> but heed my advice that xfce>gnome.
#561 [02:06] <Wug> and has a forum: www.ubuntuforums.org (I have an account there)
#562 [02:06] <aetherian> they like all have forums, it seems
#563 [02:06] <Wug> aetherian, window manager is personal preference.
#564 [02:06] <Wug> just like editor.
#565 [02:07] <Wug> it's a sacred choice
#566 [02:07] <aetherian> not really, on one level
#567 [02:07] <aetherian> XFCE uses less resources than gnome
#568 [02:07] <aetherian> but is still easy to use
#569 [02:07] <Wug> but but but compiz!
#570 [02:07] <Phenex> Can I find pretty much anything for Ubuntu that I would for Windows. Program wise?
#571 [02:07] <xales> Phenex: Absolutely
#572 [02:07] <Wug> pretty much, yes
#573 [02:07] <aetherian> depends
#574 [02:07] <Phenex> heh.
#575 [02:07] <xales> you can not just find one, but 4 or 5 that do one thing in different ways
#576 [02:07] <xales> if you don't like one, try another
#577 [02:07] <Phenex> I get 3 answers of decreasing certainty
#578 [02:08] <Wug> most good programs are available for all major platforms
#579 [02:08] <aetherian> wahahaha
#580 [02:08] <VoxelHead> please buy my candies or my little brother will go insane
#581 [02:08] <Wug> if it's on mac and windows, its almost certainly on linux
#582 [02:08] <xales> Not Steam!
#583 [02:08] <xales> derp
#584 [02:08] <Wug> ...
#585 [02:09] <aetherian> you can (failingly) run it through wine
#586 [02:09] <Wug> I can live without steam
#587 [02:09] <Wug> everything on it sucks.
#588 [02:09] <Wug> THERE I SAID IT
#589 [02:09] <Wug> I haven't given valve a penny and i'm not going to.
#590 [02:09] <Phenex> If I had Ubuntu could I still wirelessly use my printer in the other room, transfer files etc
#591 [02:09] <xales> Yes
#592 [02:09] <Wug> yep
#593 [02:09] <aetherian> yes
#594 [02:09] <xales> You can do everything you can do on Windows
#595 [02:09] <Wug> and more! :)
#596 [02:09] <aetherian> except
#597 [02:09] <xales> You can install them side-by-side
#598 [02:10] <xales> You just reboot to change between them
#599 [02:10] <aetherian> buyable games
#600 [02:10] <aetherian> mainly
#601 [02:10] <aetherian> like store bought ones
#602 [02:10] <xales> If you don't like Ubuntu, just don't boot into it
#603 [02:10] <Wug> ^ even some of those
#604 [02:10] <Phenex> Like I said, pc is my last gaming choice
#605 [02:10] <aetherian> :o
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#607 [02:10] <Phenex> I grew up with NES and SNES.
#608 [02:10] <VoxelHead> sacrebleu!
#609 [02:10] * aetherian stabs phenex
#609 [02:10] <Phenex> Thats why I love minecraft so much
#610 [02:10] <aetherian> wait...
#611 [02:10] <Phenex> Its like first person SNES
#612 [02:10] <Wug> bless you vox
#613 [02:11] <aetherian> get micro core linux ;o
#614 [02:11] <Phenex> Not to say that pc gaming isn't the way to go. I just can't afford to keep up with it
#615 [02:11] <Wug> it's a difficult one
#616 [02:12] <Wug> this is the first computer I've ever had that could perform well on modern game
#617 [02:12] <Wug> s
#618 [02:12] <Wug> it's glorious and wonderful
#619 [02:12] <Phenex> As you can tell by my cardboard box of a computer
#620 [02:12] <Phenex> I wish I was there
#621 [02:12] <Phenex> lol
#622 [02:12] <aetherian> the trs-80 could run minecraft, I'm sure
#623 [02:12] <Phenex> There being at the stage of new computer
#624 [02:12] <Wug> linux, btw, is much friendlier to cardboard boxes than windows is
#625 [02:12] <Phenex> I can imagine
#626 [02:13] <Phenex> Windows makes the cardboard soggy
#627 [02:13] <Wug> well, I should sleep and stuff.
#628 [02:13] <aetherian> I know a easy to use distro that requires 48MB of ram to boot into :)
#629 [02:13] <Phenex> ...and stuff>?
#630 [02:13] <Wug> voxelhead, please kick wug, he's a dick
#631 [02:13] <aetherian> !ki- aw nevermind
#632 [02:13] * VoxelHead kicked Wug from #minecrafthelp (Reason: (Wug) he's a dick)
#633 [02:13] <AG_Scott> Phenex, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9631803/ubuntu.png
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#635 [02:14] <Wug> LoooL
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#637 [02:14] <aetherian> no
#638 [02:14] <aetherian> I don't think I did
#639 [02:14] <Phenex> Is that a screenshot of your ubuntu?
#640 [02:15] <AG_Scott> yeah
#641 [02:15] <Phenex> running side windows?
#642 [02:15] <AG_Scott> Just showing you that you can use Windows like that
#643 [02:15] <AG_Scott> Windows is running in a virtual machine.
#644 [02:15] <aetherian> ooh, I'll get a screenshot of xfce
#645 [02:15] <Phenex> What do you mean?
#646 [02:15] <AG_Scott> Windows is running inside Linux.
#647 [02:16] <AG_Scott> There's some apps I unfortunately need that only work on Windows.
#648 [02:16] <Phenex> I'm not sure I quite understand but sounds cool
#649 [02:16] <AG_Scott> I find this to be the best and prettiest way to do it.
#650 [02:16] <Phenex> You're running windows in single window/file?
#651 [02:17] <AG_Scott> I have windows in virtualbox's seemless mode on a workspace
#652 [02:17] <VoxelHead> Modeless seem.
#653 [02:17] <aetherian> uploading...
#654 [02:17] <Phenex> lol!
#655 [02:17] <Phenex> Show off your OS night @ #Minecrafthelp!
#656 [02:18] <aetherian> http://i.imgur.com/uOZLy.png :D
#657 [02:18] <xales> lol
#658 [02:18] <xales> bread!
#659 [02:18] <xales> burn aetherian at the stake!
#660 [02:18] <bread> ME
#661 [02:18] <xales> A LIGHT THEME
#662 [02:18] <bread> :
#663 [02:18] <bread> :|
#664 [02:18] <xales> THAT R POOP
#665 [02:18] <xales> :|
#666 [02:18] <aetherian> xales: I changed it from my normal
#667 [02:18] <bread> ew light themes
#668 [02:18] <bread> light themes r POOP
#669 [02:19] <aetherian> er hang on, I need to get a better screeny
#670 [02:19] <Phenex> so you're running xfce? a similar OS to
#671 [02:19] <Phenex> Ubuntu?
#672 [02:19] <bread> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/21802312/DESKTOPS/ellie06/Screenshot01.png
#673 [02:19] <xales> Phenex: XFCE is not an OS
#674 [02:19] <bread> :D
#675 [02:19] <aetherian> Phenex: it is ubuntu
#676 [02:19] <VoxelHead> =D
#677 [02:19] <bread> lol
#678 [02:19] <Phenex> then what is xfce
#679 [02:19] <xales> It's the group of programs that make up the GUI
#680 [02:19] <Phenex> Ohhhh
#681 [02:19] <Phenex> Okay
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#683 [02:19] <Phenex> I understand now
#684 [02:19] <bread> xfce = desktop environment
#685 [02:19] <Phenex> Ubuntu not having a GUI completly left my mind
#686 [02:19] <bread> ubuntu = distro of Linux
#687 [02:19] <bread> lol
#688 [02:20] <xales> Ubuntu Server doesn't
#689 [02:20] <xales> Ubuntu Desktop comes with Gnome
#690 [02:20] <Phenex> but they are two seperate OS's?
#691 [02:20] <bread> Ubuntu = OS
#692 [02:20] <AG_Scott> Phenex, http://files.digitizor.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Desktop1_014.png
#693 [02:20] <xales> They are both Ubuntu
#694 [02:20] <xales> but the default packages installed are different
#695 [02:20] <Phenex> I mean Linux and Ubunutu are two different OS
#696 [02:20] <AG_Scott> that is Kubuntu which is Ubuntu with the KDE desktop environment
#697 [02:20] <AG_Scott> No.
#698 [02:20] <bread> eww KDE
#699 [02:21] <AG_Scott> Ubuntu is a linux distribution.
#700 [02:21] <xales> ^
#701 [02:21] <bread> Linux is a kernel
#702 [02:21] <xales> KDE = garbage
#703 [02:21] <bread> ^
#704 [02:21] <AG_Scott> Might as well show him all the options.
#705 [02:21] <Phenex> Lol This is just getting confusing now. don't bother lol
#706 [02:21] <bread> Phenex: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/21802312/DESKTOPS/ellie06/Screenshot01.png
#707 [02:21] <bread> Openbox ^
#708 [02:21] <bread> which is a window manager
#709 [02:21] <bread> I use no DE
#710 [02:21] <aetherian> hang on, uploading a better one
#711 [02:22] <Phenex> I like xfce so far
#712 [02:22] <aetherian> http://i.imgur.com/Zjjlq.png and it shows a good game running
#713 [02:22] <xales> bread: my computer is breaking down
#714 [02:22] <aetherian> although it doesn't show the full game :|
#715 [02:22] <xales> BOTH HDDs are failing
#716 [02:22] <xales> AT THE SAME TIME
#717 [02:22] <xales> D:
#718 [02:22] <aetherian> :D
#719 [02:22] <VoxelHead> ^_^
#720 [02:23] <AG_Scott> xales, raid6
#721 [02:23] <bread> ffffuuuu
#722 [02:23] <xales> AG_Scott: I'm poor
#723 [02:23] <xales> you don't understand how poor
#724 [02:23] <aetherian> bum
#725 [02:23] <xales> I literally spend almost all of my income on my server
#726 [02:23] <xales> the rest on food
#727 [02:23] <aetherian> Phenex: like the de?
#728 [02:23] <AG_Scott> sell yourself on the street corner
#729 [02:23] <aetherian> heh
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#731 [02:23] <bread> HALF LIFE 2
#732 [02:23] <xales> I though I was reserved for you? :|
#733 [02:23] * xales hugs AG_Scott
#733 [02:23] <hl2> hi
#734 [02:24] <AG_Scott> You know I offered you a free VPS in exchange for being a code monkey slave.
#735 [02:24] <Phenex> de?
#736 [02:24] <xales> You did?
#737 [02:24] <AG_Scott> Offer still stands
#738 [02:24] <AG_Scott> yes
#739 [02:24] <AG_Scott> you might of been afk
#740 [02:24] <xales> I think that was lukegb
#741 [02:24] <xales> that you offered it to
#742 [02:24] <AG_Scott> no it was youuuu.
#743 [02:25] <xales> logs or it didn't happen
#744 [02:25] <AG_Scott> you and DopeGhoti
#745 [02:25] <AG_Scott> it was like yesterday
#746 [02:26] <xales> In #supersecretchanneloflove?
#747 [02:26] <Phenex> One more question
#748 [02:26] <AG_Scott> in #craftrepo
#749 [02:26] <AG_Scott> We have 2 plugins in QA right now o:
#750 [02:26] <Phenex> If I write a document on a word processor in Ubuntu, will I be able to open that doc on my windows pc?
#751 [02:27] <aetherian> yes
#752 [02:27] <Phenex> With no issues?
#753 [02:27] <xales> Yes
#754 [02:27] <aetherian> get libreoffice (or openoffice, grumble grumble) and save as .doc
#755 [02:27] <Phenex> Just saves to same file type ?
#756 [02:27] <aetherian> if you ask it to
#757 [02:27] <bread> abiword ftw
#758 [02:27] <aetherian> lol
#759 [02:27] <Phenex> Do I have to ask nicely?
#760 [02:27] <aetherian> libre office >:
#761 [02:28] <aetherian> Phenex: yes
#762 [02:28] <Phenex> damn
#763 [02:28] <Phenex> HA! just won 50 bucks on a scratch card
#764 [02:28] <AG_Scott> Phenex, hold on O:
#765 [02:29] <Phenex> okay..
#766 [02:29] <aetherian> hang on Phenex, I'll get you an example
#767 [02:29] <LRWerewolf> Phenex: Uh, depends on which word processor you use in Ubuntu.
#768 [02:30] <AG_Scott> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9631803/word.png
#769 [02:30] <xales> AG_Scott: Word runs in WINE? lolwut
#770 [02:30] <LRWerewolf> Phenex: OpenOffice (now an Oracle product, which by default makes it crap even though it was good as Sun) has high, but not perfect, compatibility with MS Office. The few features that are not compatible are not features 99.9% of the word processing community would use anyways so don't see a lot of volunteers to figure out and fix.
#771 [02:31] <AG_Scott> xales, Crossover Professional
#772 [02:31] <xales> just an overlay to WINE
#773 [02:31] <AG_Scott> yep pretty mcuh
#774 [02:31] <AG_Scott> worth the money though.
#775 [02:31] <xales> anyway, what was the VPS thing? :|
#776 [02:31] <aetherian> oh em gee, ag
#777 [02:31] <bread> RAKING THE LAWN RAKING THE LAWN
#778 [02:31] <aetherian> you run microsoft word?
#779 [02:31] <aetherian> for shame!
#780 [02:31] <AG_Scott> aetherian, yes ;p
#781 [02:31] <AG_Scott> Office ftw
#782 [02:32] * xales runs over AG_Scott
#782 [02:32] <aetherian> http://i.imgur.com/voEsa.png is better
#783 [02:32] <xales> AG_Scott: Have you tried a more..developer friendly distro?
#784 [02:32] <AG_Scott> I have libreoffice but i don't use it.
#785 [02:32] <xales> Arch is a lot of fun on the desktop, far more customizable than Ubuntu
#786 [02:32] <xales> and more up to date
#787 [02:32] <AG_Scott> xales, I just want something that works.
#788 [02:32] <AG_Scott> So far Ubuntu does that.
#789 [02:32] <aetherian> ^^^
#790 [02:32] <LRWerewolf> AG_Scott: I work for a government agency... point blank, I'd never use anything but MS Office in government or large enterprise. Small enterprise, SOHO, personal? Libre/Open all the way. :)
#791 [02:32] <AG_Scott> But yes, I've used other distros.
#792 [02:32] <VoxelHead> ^@$!%*!!~
#793 [02:33] <aetherian> LRWerewolf: you can save for ms office in libre
#794 [02:33] <aetherian> my pic demonstrates that ;o
#795 [02:33] <AG_Scott> I like office and I love the ribbon.
#796 [02:33] <aetherian> it should be called macrosoft, given the size of its things
#797 [02:33] <aetherian> (oh, haha, that was so original...)
#798 [02:34] <VoxelHead> ow! my squealyspooch!
#799 [02:34] * VoxelHead is away: watching a film
#799 [02:34] <xales> AG_Scott: Oh, I actually have an interesting question for you
#800 [02:34] <Phenex> hey kick that moron Phenex. He's annoying..........and tired. Goodnight
#801 [02:34] <LRWerewolf> aetherian: As stated above, compatibility is not 100%. While the few features that are not are trivial and not commonly used, they do differ. I also don't know how well Libre integrates with an Exchange server, any experience with that?
#802 [02:34] <xales> Is it possible for wear on a HDD to break SMART monitoring?
#803 [02:34] <aetherian> no experience
#804 [02:34] <AG_Scott> No idea.
#805 [02:34] <aetherian> but libreoffice has some of the best save to .rtf I know of
#806 [02:35] <Phenex> :(
#807 [02:35] <AG_Scott> SMART said my old laptop's drive had 90,000+ bad sectors.
#808 [02:35] <aetherian> better than wordpad, that's for sure
#809 [02:35] <xales> Not one, but two of my SMART-capable hard drives are starting to show issues
#810 [02:35] <LRWerewolf> xales: What manufacturer?
#811 [02:35] <xales> and of course, Windows isn't smart enough to show errors relating to SMART/HDD
#812 [02:35] <xales> and one of the issues is that I can't boot my Arch install
#813 [02:35] <xales> or even reinstall it
#814 [02:35] <xales> >:|
#815 [02:35] <LRWerewolf> AG_Scott, Entirely reasonable for some hard drives. Heck, I've seen hard drives fresh from the factory with almost that many.
#816 [02:35] <xales> LRWerewolf: Both WD, I think
#817 [02:36] <aetherian> hard drives are cheap
#818 [02:36] <AG_Scott> Well it had 0 when I got it.
#819 [02:36] <LRWerewolf> xales: Not likely then.
#820 [02:36] <aetherian> you have a spare usb with linux on it lying around, I hope
#821 [02:36] <AG_Scott> The heatsink messed up and I suspect the heat killed it.
#822 [02:36] <Phenex> hmm
#823 [02:36] <xales> I was just going to upgrade the computer for Portal 2
#824 [02:36] <Phenex> interesting thought
#825 [02:36] <Phenex> if Ubuntu uses less resources
#826 [02:36] <xales> guess I have to replace the HDDs now, instead of getting a new GFX card
#827 [02:36] <Phenex> would running it instead of windows recude my lag?
#828 [02:36] <Phenex> reduce*
#829 [02:37] <xales> Phenex: Massively less. It's very possible
#830 [02:37] <AG_Scott> I'm using 1.5GB RAM right now.
#831 [02:37] <xales> lol Ubuntu
#832 [02:37] <AG_Scott> Oh that's including the RAM on my VM.
#833 [02:37] <AG_Scott> let me shut it down
#834 [02:37] <xales> ah, that's more reasonable then
#835 [02:37] <aetherian> xales: it's called lolbuntu >:
#836 [02:37] <xales> I haven't even used more than 1GB of RAM on Linux this year
#837 [02:37] <xales> excluding gaming
#838 [02:37] <Phenex> Would you suggest running Ubuntu aside windows and seeing if it works at all?
#839 [02:37] <AG_Scott> 800mb ram atm
#840 [02:38] <xales> Phenex: There's no reason not to, initially. It's just as easy as installing it without Windows there
#841 [02:38] <AG_Scott> With firefox, pidgin, xchat, dropbox, back in time, and a few other things running
#842 [02:38] <aetherian> I'm using 343MB ram as it is, with chromium, pchat, and a couple other things running
#843 [02:38] <xales> AG_Scott: With nothing but Terminator open, I hit around 100MB :>
#844 [02:38] <Phenex> Hmm
#845 [02:38] <AG_Scott> Phenex, you can actually use that thing that installs it in windows and lets you boot it.
#846 [02:38] <aetherian> run tiny core, it's efficient >:O
#847 [02:38] <AG_Scott> I forget what it's called but that will let you get a "feel" of it.
#848 [02:38] <Phenex> I was just reading about that
#849 [02:38] <xales> It's called Wubu
#850 [02:38] <xales> err
#851 [02:38] <xales> Wubi
#852 [02:38] <xales> I think
#853 [02:38] <AG_Scott> yeah wubi
#854 [02:38] <aetherian> wubi
#855 [02:39] <aetherian> wubiwubiwubi
#856 [02:39] <xales> anyway, I suggest a true dualboot
#857 [02:39] <aetherian> hehehe
#858 [02:39] <xales> Wubi is stupid
#859 [02:39] <xales> |:
#860 [02:39] <aetherian> yes it is
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#862 [02:39] <AG_Scott> xales, not if you just want to test it
#863 [02:39] <Phenex> Yeah the site suggest a full boot
#864 [02:39] <aetherian> AG_Scott: then run a VM
#865 [02:39] <Phenex> because of loss of resources from CD boot
#866 [02:39] <Phenex> I want to run the OS and run Minecraft to see if it reduces lag.
#867 [02:39] <aetherian> usb boot, my man
#868 [02:39] <AG_Scott> aetherian, that's not really going to give a complete feel.
#869 [02:39] <Phenex> Yes sir
#870 [02:40] <aetherian> I have a spare usb with knoppix on it at all times just in case
#871 [02:40] <aetherian> I've had to use it a couple times now
#872 [02:40] <Phenex> You guys have basically sold me on Ubuntu.. a test drive isn't really needed
#873 [02:40] <xales> I built my own distro for system recovery
#874 [02:40] <xales> :3
#875 [02:40] <LRWerewolf> Why ubuntu though?
#876 [02:40] <aetherian> Phenex: not ubuntu D:
#877 [02:40] <aetherian> xubuntu :D
#878 [02:40] <bread> lolbuntu
#879 [02:40] <Phenex> What?
#880 [02:40] <aetherian> xubuntu.org :DDD
#881 [02:40] <bread> lolbuntu
#882 [02:40] <LRWerewolf> <--- not an ubuntu fan.
#883 [02:41] <xales> it boots from USB, has a rainbowtable for whatever-Windows-hashes-with-that-I-forget-:|, registry editor for Windows, as well as your standard GNU/Linux tools
#884 [02:41] <xales> :D
#885 [02:41] <bread> \o/
#886 [02:41] <xales> durr rainbowtable
#887 [02:41] * xales is "1337 h4x0r"
#887 [02:41] <bread> I just use System Rescue CD lol
#888 [02:41] <AG_Scott> I just use a ubuntu live cd.
#889 [02:41] <aetherian> xales: you distribute it, right?
#890 [02:42] <Phenex> All your base are belong to us!
#891 [02:42] <xales> aetherian: Nope.tar.bz2
#892 [02:42] <aetherian> fail
#893 [02:42] <aetherian> support the open source, give back, man
#894 [02:42] <xales> I do, plenty
#895 [02:42] <aetherian> but not this, apparently
#896 [02:42] <xales> you are currently running code that I wrote
#897 [02:42] <bread> lol
#898 [02:42] <xales> I have submitted two patches to the Linux kernel project
#899 [02:42] <xales> >:D
#900 [02:43] <bread> o rly
#901 [02:43] <bread> xales r l33t haxx0r
#902 [02:43] <lukegb> xales: ooh, where :P
#903 [02:43] <xales> lukegb: my actual real name is associated with it, so you cannot have it
#904 [02:43] <aetherian> heh
#905 [02:43] <AG_Scott> xales doesn't want to be surprised sex'd and murdered.
#906 [02:43] <xales> I fixed a PAE-crashing bug I was having
#907 [02:44] <xales> (that was the big one)
#908 [02:44] <xales> (this was also some time ago)
#909 [02:44] <aetherian> I believe that whenever someone makes a new distro, they should distribute it >:
#910 [02:44] <xales> back before 64bit was really viable to use on a desktop
#911 [02:44] <xales> |:
#912 [02:44] <aetherian> but I'm back to other stuff now
#913 [02:44] <xales> aetherian: It's not a real distro per-se
#914 [02:44] <bread> xales y u so l33t
#915 [02:44] <xales> I just compiled most of the GNU/Linux toolkit and an all-inclusive kernel
#916 [02:45] <xales> put it on a USB
#917 [02:45] <xales> and profitted
#918 [02:45] * Phenex is downloading Ubuntu
#918 [02:45] <aetherian> NOOOOOOO
#919 [02:45] <aetherian> I... I have failed...
#920 [02:45] <aetherian> curse you gnome!
#921 [02:45] <bread> lol gnome
#922 [02:45] <Phenex> why have you ffailed
#923 [02:46] <aetherian> Phenex: you are getting gnome ;_;
#924 [02:46] <Phenex> what were you suggesting
#925 [02:46] <xales> Phenex: aetherian is trying to convince you to stray from the defaults
#926 [02:46] <aetherian> I told you to get xubuntu!
#927 [02:46] <xales> just try the normal Ubuntu for now
#928 [02:46] <Phenex> whats the difference
#929 [02:46] <xales> if you feel comfortable with it, branch out to things like what aetherian is suggesting
#930 [02:46] <aetherian> xubuntu is faster by muches
#931 [02:46] <aetherian> and just as easy to use
#932 [02:46] <bread> ^
#933 [02:46] <bread> XFCE > GNOME
#934 [02:47] <aetherian> and LXDE is good for old computers
#935 [02:47] <AG_Scott> gnome3 scares me
#936 [02:47] <aetherian> I had lubuntu installed on this machine, I just installed xfce and use that now
#937 [02:47] <bread> lolbuntu
#938 [02:47] <aetherian> good for beginners, bread
#939 [02:48] <aetherian> but I'm not a beginner, I'm so leet I just learned the cd command yesterday :o
#940 [02:48] <bread> meh
#941 [02:49] <bread> I don't think it's 'good for beginners'
#942 [02:49] <bread> I think it's good for people who don't ever want to learn Linux in the slightest
#943 [02:49] <aetherian> no
#944 [02:49] <aetherian> you can learn linux in it
#945 [02:49] <bread> yes.
#946 [02:49] <bread> I beg to differ.
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#948 [02:49] <bread> I used Ubuntu for 4 years, and learn next to nothing about Linux.
#949 [02:49] * aetherian ignores the beggar
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#950 [02:50] <aetherian> you probably didn't have the drive to learn
#951 [02:50] <bread> I've learned more in the past three months using Slackware than I did in the 4 years I used Ubuntu
#952 [02:50] <Stenlay> i don't like ubuntu, it's actually not a easy os
#953 [02:50] <aetherian> I want to learn about it, so I am constantly learning
#954 [02:50] <aetherian> it's easy
#955 [02:50] <Stenlay> well, it's more like do it your self, or find it out on Ubuntu..
#956 [02:50] <bread> except anything you learn applies to pretty much only Ubuntu
#957 [02:50] <aetherian> not quite true
#958 [02:50] <bread> :|
#959 [02:51] <aetherian> 'tis true, I am thinking of installing debian someday, though
#960 [02:51] <Phenex> I am going to sleep, class tomorrow! Thanks for the help everybody.
#961 [02:51] <bread> \o
#962 [02:51] <Stenlay> compared to windows, it's harder
#963 [02:52] <aetherian> bwahaha
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#965 [02:52] <Tr0llToTheLawl> Okay.
#966 [02:52] <xales> Tr0llToTheLawl: Now, go to http://pastebin.com/ and paste it there
#967 [02:52] <Stenlay> for instance, installing java. on windos it's just downlaoding install it xD
#968 [02:52] <Tr0llToTheLawl> So I was sent here cause I need some help.
#969 [02:52] <aetherian> I don't like waiting 30 seconds for a simple application to start up
#970 [02:52] <xales> then give us the link
#971 [02:52] <Stenlay> for what troll? =P
#972 [02:52] <xales> Stenlay: It's easier on Linux. It's typing "pacman -S jre" - boom done
#973 [02:52] <aetherian> Stenlay: it's easy to install java >.>
#974 [02:52] <aetherian> aw lucky
#975 [02:53] <aetherian> I had to take a back door to get java myself
#976 [02:53] <aetherian> the thing everyone said didn't work
#977 [02:53] <Stenlay> It wasn't that easy for some month ago, and anyway, you have to use this weird commands..
#978 [02:53] <xales> You don't "have" to for many things, and there's nothing weird about them :|
#979 [02:54] <aetherian> the command prompt for things a basic user needs to do is easy
#980 [02:54] <aetherian> you just need to know a couple commands
#981 [02:54] <Tr0llToTheLawl> Now guys. This is only the first part of the text message. It appears in like the Notepad app on windows, and pops up from wherever you opened the game from. (Ex: Desktop or My Downloads)
#982 [02:54] <Tr0llToTheLawl> http://pastebin.com/CNqQinex
#983 [02:54] <TorchDragon> Getting the Sun JRE on Ubuntu was a little obnoxious.
#984 [02:54] <aetherian> (cd, ls, make, ./, etc)
#985 [02:54] <xales> Tr0llToTheLawl: You need to update your graphics card drivers
#986 [02:54] <aetherian> and chmod
#987 [02:54] <Stenlay> Troll, have you installed any mods lately?
#988 [02:54] <TorchDragon> He types faster...
#989 [02:54] <Tr0llToTheLawl> Nope.
#990 [02:54] <Stenlay> oh lol
#991 [02:54] <aetherian> but bread
#992 [02:55] <Tr0llToTheLawl> I just learned about this game like 2 days ago.
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#994 [02:55] <xales> TorchDragon: Not really. Just enable the 'partner' repository, then install it from there
#995 [02:55] <Tr0llToTheLawl> And I freaking love it <3
#996 [02:55] <aetherian> edubuntu is the best *buntu distro
#997 [02:55] <TorchDragon> http://ati.amd.com
#998 [02:55] <TorchDragon> Go get new drivers.
#999 [02:55] <aetherian> xales: that didn't work for me :|
#1000 [02:55] <TorchDragon> Make your computer happy.
#1001 [02:55] <Tr0llToTheLawl> xales, what do I do?
#1002 [02:55] <xales> ??> Tr0llToTheLawl irc/dontpm
#1003 [02:55] <TorchDragon> xales: I had to manually add the sun repository and then install the package from there.
#1004 [02:55] <VoxelHead> Tr0llToTheLawl: (irc/dontpm) We prefer in general to assist people in a public manner, in the channel; please don't ask for someone to PM you assistance unless there is actual private information involved.
#1005 [02:56] <Tr0llToTheLawl> Sorry!
#1006 [02:56] <TorchDragon> Not an issue really, as I said, just a little obnoxious.
#1007 [02:56] <Tr0llToTheLawl> I have no idea what to do.
#1008 [02:56] <xales> anyway, go to http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/index.aspx
#1009 [02:56] <Tr0llToTheLawl> Mhm?
#1010 [02:56] <bread> meh
#1011 [02:56] <xales> Do you know what kind of card you have?
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#1013 [02:56] <Tr0llToTheLawl> I wouldn't know.
#1014 [02:56] <xales> okay, do this first then
#1015 [02:56] <xales> ??> Tr0llToTheLawl win/dxdiag
#1016 [02:56] <VoxelHead> Tr0llToTheLawl: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "save log" file and save it to your desktop.
#1017 [02:56] <VoxelHead> Tr0llToTheLawl: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link you are sent to, and paste it here.
#1018 [02:56] <Tr0llToTheLawl> I remember this...haha.
#1019 [02:57] <Tr0llToTheLawl> I had to do this before when I used to be a big Halo CE geek.
#1020 [02:58] <Tr0llToTheLawl> Okay.
#1021 [02:58] <TorchDragon> So while I'm in a room full of tech heads, might as well ask. Anyone else have issues with Windows having long delays between reinitializing the display?
#1022 [02:58] <Tr0llToTheLawl> Got it saved on the desk.
#1023 [02:58] <xales> TorchDragon: What do you mean?
#1024 [02:59] <Tr0llToTheLawl> Hey xales, what do I do now?
#1025 [02:59] <xales> Tr0llToTheLawl: Copy the contents of it to pastebin
#1026 [02:59] <Tr0llToTheLawl> okay.
#1027 [02:59] <TorchDragon> It seems to happen specifically after windows update installs and update and then I lock the computer. Until my next restart, every time the display initializes, ie, change from desktop to full screen or on any UAC prompt, there's a long delay as it tries to initialize.
#1028 [02:59] <Tr0llToTheLawl> Wait, all of it?
#1029 [02:59] <TorchDragon> Anywhere from 10-15 seconds.
#1030 [02:59] <xales> Yes, all of it
#1031 [02:59] <Tr0llToTheLawl> Okay.
#1032 [03:00] <xales> TorchDragon: Could be resource use, Windows being dumb (I'm not sure I fully understand what you mean) or a driver problem
#1033 [03:00] <TorchDragon> Well, its persisted across at least 5 driver versions at this point.
#1034 [03:00] <Tr0llToTheLawl> http://pastebin.com/UMCDmEfP
#1035 [03:00] <TorchDragon> I'm pretty sure its windows being dumb, but I just don't understand how...
#1036 [03:01] <TorchDragon> Radeon 9250
#1037 [03:01] <xales> Tr0llToTheLawl: Oh god, that computer is old
#1038 [03:01] <TorchDragon> So the latest catalyst drivers should work fine.
#1039 [03:01] <Tr0llToTheLawl> Yeah :P
#1040 [03:01] <xales> There's no way that can run Minecraft, sadly
#1041 [03:01] <TorchDragon> Wow, drivers from 2006...
#1042 [03:01] <Tr0llToTheLawl> ...
#1043 [03:01] <xales> TorchDragon: the R200 series can't do it
#1044 [03:01] <xales> doesn't support OpenGL fully
#1045 [03:01] <TorchDragon> Oh really?
#1046 [03:01] <xales> (it's also from 2001, durrrr)
#1047 [03:01] <Tr0llToTheLawl> Wait, so I can't play the game?
#1048 [03:01] <xales> Tr0llToTheLawl: Not on that computer, no
#1049 [03:02] <xales> Modern game + old computer = not fun
#1050 [03:02] <Tr0llToTheLawl> Gah. I have to do it in the freaking living room. Wow.
#1051 [03:02] <Tr0llToTheLawl> I am very sad now.
#1052 [03:03] <Tr0llToTheLawl> Thanks for your help xales and VoxelHead
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#1054 [03:04] <Tr0llToTheLawl> Oh quick thing.
#1055 [03:04] <Tr0llToTheLawl> After you buy the game, we have to wait right? I'm not the only one waiting or anything, right?
#1056 [03:06] <xales> You shouldn't have to wait long
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#1058 [03:09] <bread> :o
#1059 [03:09] <TorchDragon> Yeah, still annoying.
#1060 [03:11] <xales> Dammit, not this again
#1061 [03:11] <xales> ._.
#1062 [03:11] <xales> my mouse just got frozen
#1063 [03:11] <xales> all of my computers are breaking down
#1064 [03:11] <xales> and it's my birthday too
#1065 [03:11] <xales> :<
#1066 [03:11] <TorchDragon> Ask for a new mouse?
#1067 [03:12] <AG_Scott> Well happy birthday xales :>
#1068 [03:12] <xales> It's a laptop
#1069 [03:12] <bread> it's not your birthday anymore xales !
#1070 [03:12] <AG_Scott> Mine is in 20 days
#1071 [03:12] <xales> AG_Scott: well, technically it's not any more
#1072 [03:12] <AG_Scott> oh.
#1073 [03:12] <xales> it was the 31st
#1074 [03:12] <AG_Scott> D:
#1075 [03:12] <xales> which is also when it started to bread
#1076 [03:12] <AG_Scott> It still on the west coast.
#1077 [03:12] <AG_Scott> it still is*
#1078 [03:13] <xales> AKA: Windows "System" process using 50% CPU when accessing HDD
#1079 [03:13] <xales> now my poor laptop's mouse
#1080 [03:14] <Tanjoodo> I hate trackpads.
#1081 [03:15] <xales> I hate them for gaming, otherwise, they are "okay"
#1082 [03:15] <xales> not ideal, but not horrible either
#1083 [03:15] <AG_Scott> I like mine :<
#1084 [03:15] <AG_Scott> not my old one though
#1085 [03:15] <AG_Scott> I broke it 3 times and HP refused to replace it after the third.
#1086 [03:15] <xales> AG_Scott: Don't lie, you prefer the clit mice
#1087 [03:15] <AG_Scott> THE WHAT? :(
#1088 [03:15] <xales> lol
#1089 [03:15] <xales> AG_Scott: http://xkcd.com/243/
#1090 [03:15] <AG_Scott> That just sounds nasty and I don't even know what it is.
#1091 [03:16] <AG_Scott> ewwie :(
#1092 [03:17] <TorchDragon> I call that a button mouse.
#1093 [03:18] <aetherian> haha
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#1096 [03:20] <LRWerewolf> Oh damnit... freaking april fool's day = mangled xkcd comics. fml.
#1097 [03:21] <aetherian> yeah...
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#1099 [03:25] <rawkjawk> there we go
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#1102 [03:25] <rawkjawk> guys can you help answer a question or two plz
#1103 [03:25] <xales> Just ask
#1104 [03:25] <rawkjawk> ok this newest update for some stupid reason doesnt incorporate the texture pack that i had
#1105 [03:25] <rawkjawk> before the patch
#1106 [03:25] <rawkjawk> i had dokus rpg
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#1108 [03:26] <rawkjawk> is that just because the texture pack is outdated now?
#1109 [03:26] <xales> Yes
#1110 [03:26] <aetherian> buh bye, it's 0:30 and I have class tomorrow morn
#1111 [03:27] <xales> The latest supported version for that pack is 1.2. Minecraft is now version 1.4
#1112 [03:28] <rawkjawk> ok IF i still had that texture pack in my jar file... would that prevent me from doing anything on multiplayer?
#1113 [03:29] <xales> The update installs a new jar file
#1114 [03:29] <rawkjawk> o ok
#1115 [03:29] <rawkjawk> thats odd i have a friend thats on a server right now and its working fine for him
#1116 [03:29] <xales> Anything that modifies the jar file is a game mod, and we don't support those, because Minecraft has actual texture support now that doesn't involve editing the jar files
#1117 [03:29] <rawkjawk> i try to join the same one and cant get in he asked if they had a white list and he said they do but its not working atm
#1118 [03:29] <rawkjawk> ah ok sorry
#1119 [03:30] <xales> The server is probably just not updated yest
#1120 [03:30] <xales> yet*
#1121 [03:30] <rawkjawk> why would my buddy be able to play on the same server though?
#1122 [03:30] <xales> Because he didn't apply the update
#1123 [03:30] <rawkjawk> ahhh
#1124 [03:30] <rawkjawk> good point good point
#1125 [03:31] <rawkjawk> nope hes on 1.4
#1126 [03:31] <rawkjawk> this is odd as hell
#1127 [03:31] <xales> What happens when you try to join?
#1128 [03:32] <rawkjawk> failed to connect to server connection refused:connection
#1129 [03:32] <xales> You are using the wrong IP or port then
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#1132 [03:32] <rawkjawk> on the last version you didnt have to use the port
#1133 [03:32] <rawkjawk> you just put in the server name and it worked fine
#1134 [03:33] <xales> It uses the default port then, 25565
#1135 [03:33] <xales> If the server is using a different port, then you have to specify it
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#1137 [03:33] <quibbit> hey
#1138 [03:33] <xales> Anyway, "connection refused" means you are connecting to the wrong place, the server is improperly configured, or isn't running
#1139 [03:33] <xales> hello quibbit
#1140 [03:34] <quibbit> i accidentally spawned a locked chest and placed it how do i remove em?
#1141 [03:34] <lukegb> LOL
#1142 [03:34] <xales> TNT
#1143 [03:34] <lukegb> It's april fools time!
#1144 [03:34] <quibbit> aww fuck my life
#1145 [03:34] <quibbit> its in the middle of my house
#1146 [03:34] <xales> or a map editor
#1147 [03:34] <quibbit> >.>
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#1149 [03:35] <lukegb> quibbit: get a creeper to blow it up :P
#1150 [03:37] <rawkjawk> LAWWWWWWWL ima kick my buddy in the nads
#1151 [03:37] <rawkjawk> he gave me the wrong server name
#1152 [03:38] <AG_Scott> Can i watch?
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#1154 [03:42] <joshbarry> Hey there, Can anyone help me with a few quick server questions?
#1155 [03:43] <xales> Just ask
#1156 [03:43] <joshbarry> Okay first off how do I update it to the new patch?
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#1158 [03:45] <EVIL-Beaver> Guys
#1159 [03:45] <EVIL-Beaver> Is minecraft blocking indian IPs?
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#1161 [03:48] <AG_Scott> I don't see why they would EVIL-Beaver.
#1162 [03:48] <AG_Scott> joshbarry, just replace the server file.
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#1164 [03:50] <joshbarry> Ohhh alright cool!
#1165 [03:50] <joshbarry> And I have another question
#1166 [03:51] <joshbarry> The ip I have can only be connected to from LAN so no one on the internet can connect to it :[
#1167 [03:51] <joshbarry> How do I fix that
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#1171 [03:56] <xales> joshbarry: If you are on a residential connection, just port forward
#1172 [03:56] <xales> otherwise, nothing
#1173 [04:03] <joshbarry> hmm alright
#1174 [04:03] <joshbarry> I need to do that through the router right?
#1175 [04:04] <xales> yes
#1176 [04:05] <joshbarry> thanks :D
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#1181 [04:44] <ESL|Stryker> Hey Does anyone know if MCAdmin still works?
#1182 [04:44] <ESL|Stryker> im trying to launch a server using MCADmin and its not letting me
#1183 [04:44] <ESL|Stryker> it says unable to create java virtual machine
#1184 [04:44] <xales> It might, but we don't provide support for any third party softwae
#1185 [04:45] <xales> (usually that error means you do not have enough RAM)
#1186 [04:45] <ESL|Stryker> omg
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#1188 [04:45] <ESL|Stryker> crap maybe i should buy 24 more GB's
#1189 [04:45] <ESL|Stryker> hey can you show me how to launch a server
#1190 [04:46] <xales> not with MCAdmin
#1191 [04:46] <ESL|Stryker> as a service using win 7
#1192 [04:46] <xales> can't help with launching as a service, either
#1193 [04:46] <ESL|Stryker> ok then i don't want MCAdmin
#1194 [04:46] <ESL|Stryker> so it can't be dedicated
#1195 [04:46] <xales> download the .exe, double click on it
#1196 [04:46] <xales> :|
#1197 [04:46] <xales> regardless of how you launch it, it will still behave the same
#1198 [04:46] <ESL|Stryker> wheres Kealper when you need em
#1199 [04:46] <xales> if you turn off your computer, it will still turn off
#1200 [04:46] <ESL|Stryker> yeah this comp never turns off
#1201 [04:47] <xales> !server
#1202 [04:47] <xales> download the "For Windows" file
#1203 [04:47] <xales> run it
#1204 [04:47] <xales> that's all there is to do
#1205 [04:47] <ESL|Stryker> what about opening ports
#1206 [04:47] <ESL|Stryker> it starts the server on 192.168.1.253
#1207 [04:47] <ESL|Stryker> so im unable to connect
#1208 [04:47] <xales> if you need to port forward, that's related to networking, not actually starting the server itself
#1209 [04:47] <xales> if you need to port forward, then yes, you need to do it
#1210 [04:48] <ESL|Stryker> which port 25566?
#1211 [04:48] <xales> 25565
#1212 [04:48] <ESL|Stryker> ok thanks
#1213 [04:48] <xales> unless you changed it in the server.properties file
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#1215 [04:48] <ESL|Stryker> if i change it in the server properties and re-launch then it will use the user defined ip correct?
#1216 [04:48] <xales> you cannot put an IP in the server.properties file
#1217 [04:49] <xales> if you do, it will not work
#1218 [04:49] <ESL|Stryker> aha ok
#1219 [04:49] <ESL|Stryker> then just leave it be
#1220 [04:49] <xales> if there is an IP in there, remove it
#1221 [04:49] <ESL|Stryker> ok
#1222 [04:49] <ESL|Stryker> will do
#1223 [04:49] <ESL|Stryker> thanks for your help
#1224 [04:49] <xales> mhmm
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#1235 [06:12] <LeeNug> Hey guys anyone know the best way to prevent users destroying other users structures (im using bukkit)
#1236 [06:26] <AG_Scott> ??> LeeNug mods
#1237 [06:26] <VoxelHead> LeeNug: (mods) This channel is not a venue for support with third-party mods. For assistance with Bukkit, check #Bukkit
#1238 [06:26] <VoxelHead> LeeNug: (mods) You will find a lot of information here: http://tiny.cc/gentle-mod-install-tut Also, for forther assistance with many other mods, check #RisuCraft - mod help here is more likely once the official API is revealed.
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#1241 [06:32] <Bilkokuya> can wolves help with me please somebody?
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#1243 [06:42] <omri100> !isdown minecraft.net
#1244 [06:42] <GreyBot> omri100: It's just you. http://minecraft.net is up.
#1245 [06:43] <omri100> hey i cant connect to server it says:connection refused:connect
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#1247 [06:43] <omri100> anybody have answer?
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#1249 [06:45] <LadyGriL-33> http://www.erzurumoltutasi25.tr.gg/
#1250 [06:45] <LadyGriL-33> http://www.erzurumoltutasi25.tr.gg/
#1251 [06:45] <LadyGriL-33> http://www.erzurumoltutasi25.tr.gg/
#1252 [06:45] <LadyGriL-33> http://www.erzurumoltutasi25.tr.gg/
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#1256 [06:51] <TheBix> hey guys
#1257 [06:52] <TheBix> does minecraft have any slow time sliced algorithms in it?
#1258 [06:55] <TheBix> I noticed that every second minecraft will have a slow frame followed by 5-6 incredibly faster than normal frames.
#1259 [06:56] <TheBix> is that the jvm or windows or what?
#1260 [06:56] <[z]> That sounds like something complex and useful.. So probably not :P
#1261 [06:56] <TheBix> nah it just means running something based on time
#1262 [06:57] <TheBix> but yeah if these incredibly quick frames could be rendering all the time (I hope) then I want to find out whats chewing up the time when I have my "usual" framerate
#1263 [06:57] <TheBix> also this proves my graphics card doesn't eat as much dick as I thought it did :\
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#1265 [06:58] <TheBix> so yeah if anyone here has any idea on the internals of minecraft
#1266 [06:58] <TheBix> can you please help me increase my FPS?
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#1270 [07:06] <Siloxis> Hey all
#1271 [07:06] <Alfalis> hi
#1272 [07:06] <Siloxis> any1 could assist me with a connection Problem?
#1273 [07:07] <Alfalis> what kind of problem exactly?
#1274 [07:08] <Siloxis> got a frindserver, adress is askger.homelinux.org, but i can't connect. Any1 could try on a working Client so i can see if there is a local or a server side prob
#1275 [07:08] <Alfalis> did you update to 1.4?
#1276 [07:09] <Siloxis> i downloaded the client yesterday, so i think i'm up2date, there was a little update after firstsartup
#1277 [07:09] <Alfalis> hm... is the server you're trying to connect to up to date? maybe it's still on 1.3_01..^^
#1278 [07:10] <Siloxis> hmmm don't know :)
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#1280 [07:12] <Alfalis> then try to find out ;) :D because the update is just a few hours old not all servers might have been updated till now..
#1281 [07:14] <Siloxis> okay i PM the Admin of the Server, thanks for all
#1282 [07:14] <Alfalis> np ;)
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#1284 [07:15] <pico> is skinchanger with mc.net page actually disabled? doesnt work for me
#1285 [07:24] <Alfalis> hey! did any of you actually manage to set a new spawnpoint by sleeping in a bed? didn't work for me so far.. :(
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#1293 [07:48] <jagged> hello
#1294 [07:48] <jagged> hello
#1295 [07:48] <jagged> helllo
#1296 [07:48] <jagged> hellllo
#1297 [07:48] <jagged> helllllo
#1298 [07:49] <rev-lemon> give up or take it somewhere else
#1299 [07:49] <jagged> what?
#1300 [07:49] <Dharken> Hello
#1301 [07:50] <rev-lemon> yes charken
#1302 [07:50] <jagged> um i was wondering why i cant find one red flower tons of yellow but no red
#1303 [07:50] <rev-lemon> Dharken < sorry
#1304 [07:50] <Espeon> jagged: Coincidence..
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#1306 [07:50] <rev-lemon> Dharken prob is its all random you just have to keep exploring
#1307 [07:50] <Dharken> Well I think red is rarer but I don't know that for a fact
#1308 [07:50] <Dharken> I find the same thing.
#1309 [07:50] <jagged> *sighs*
#1310 [07:50] <Dharken> rev-lemon ? :)
#1311 [07:50] <jagged> i want red wool ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
#1312 [07:50] <Dharken> Just keep wandering you'll find some :)
#1313 [07:51] <rev-lemon> lol,nick has been changed
#1314 [07:51] <Espeon> Colours are generated in patches.. so.. logics
#1315 [07:51] <jagged> thnxs
#1316 [07:51] <jagged> beam me up scottie
#1317 [07:51] <jagged> *teleports out
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#1326 [08:19] <Crystal> anyone awake at this ungodly hour?
#1327 [08:20] <adamkex> yeaah
#1328 [08:20] <Crystal> yay :)
#1329 [08:20] <Crystal> for me at least, I guess for you :(
#1330 [08:20] <adamkex> hehe
#1331 [08:21] <adamkex> 14:20 here
#1332 [08:21] <Crystal> overseas!
#1333 [08:21] <adamkex> you mean you are overseas?
#1334 [08:21] <Crystal> you are, in comparison to me
#1335 [08:21] <Crystal> I'm in the states
#1336 [08:21] <adamkex> but i thought everything circled around me :(
#1337 [08:22] <Crystal> i once thought that too
#1338 [08:22] * Crystal pat pats
#1338 [08:22] <adamkex> hehe
#1339 [08:22] <Crystal> take a sec to get over the shock, then I will ask you a probably stupid minecraft question
#1340 [08:22] <adamkex> alright
#1341 [08:22] <adamkex> go ahead
#1342 [08:22] <Crystal> I can't get it to open :(
#1343 [08:22] <Crystal> like at all
#1344 [08:23] <adamkex> Crystal: does it work from the webbrowser?
#1345 [08:23] <Crystal> let me check
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#1347 [08:25] <Crystal> no, big white screen
#1348 [08:25] <adamkex> Crystal: has it ever worked for you before?
#1349 [08:25] <Crystal> yep
#1350 [08:25] <Crystal> it did this to me last night too but then it eventually opened up
#1351 [08:25] <Crystal> but that's quite frustrating
#1352 [08:26] <Crystal> oh wait
#1353 [08:26] <Crystal> now it's running on the browser
#1354 [08:26] <adamkex> Crystal: okay, do you know where your saves are located?
#1355 [08:26] <Crystal> i guess it was just waking up too
#1356 [08:26] <Crystal> no
#1357 [08:26] <adamkex> are you using Windows 7?
#1358 [08:26] <Crystal> yes
#1359 [08:27] <adamkex> Crystal: okay, go into My Computer, C:\ and go into Users (?)
#1360 [08:28] <Crystal> should I go into me?
#1361 [08:28] <Crystal> (that's what she said)
#1362 [08:28] <adamkex> Crystal: do you see your username in that folder? the username for your computer what you use to log in
#1363 [08:28] <Crystal> yes
#1364 [08:28] <adamkex> if "me" is your username go into that folder
#1365 [08:29] <Crystal> k
#1366 [08:29] <adamkex> then go into AppData
#1367 [08:29] <Crystal> k
#1368 [08:29] <adamkex> and then Roaming, and you should see a .minecraft folder
#1369 [08:30] <Crystal> aha, saves
#1370 [08:30] <Crystal> :( am I going to lose all that iron i minedlast night
#1371 [08:30] <adamkex> put that folder on your desktop, and any texturepacks you may or may not have installed
#1372 [08:30] <Crystal> (excuse errors, my spacebar is sticky)
#1373 [08:30] <Crystal> saves folder or .minecraft folder?
#1374 [08:31] <adamkex> saves
#1375 [08:31] <Crystal> copy it over or cut and paste
#1376 [08:31] <adamkex> copy
#1377 [08:31] <adamkex> it doesn't matter really, but copy it
#1378 [08:32] <adamkex> if you have taken any screenshots you may also want to copy that folder onto the desktop
#1379 [08:32] <Crystal> i haven't
#1380 [08:32] <Crystal> also, done
#1381 [08:33] <adamkex> okay, now when you saves folder is on your desktop go back into the Roaming folder and delete .minecraft
#1382 [08:33] <adamkex> when the*
#1383 [08:34] <adamkex> and then restart minecraft, COPY the saves folder into the new .minecraft
#1384 [08:34] <adamkex> and try to see if it will work
#1385 [08:36] <adamkex> Crystal: does it work?
#1386 [08:36] <Crystal> gettin there
#1387 [08:37] <Crystal> i click on the minecraft icon and nothing happens
#1388 [08:37] <adamkex> no new files in .minecraft?
#1389 [08:38] <Crystal> do i need to redownload it or something?
#1390 [08:38] <adamkex> hmm, redownload minecraft
#1391 [08:38] <adamkex> there is a new version (1.4) and it may have not updated itself correctly
#1392 [08:40] <Crystal> nothing
#1393 [08:40] <Crystal> I doubleclick and I get the spinning 'working' thing for a sec, then nothing happens
#1394 [08:41] <adamkex> even the newly downloaded one?
#1395 [08:41] <Crystal> yep
#1396 [08:42] <adamkex> Crystal: i don't know, give me a minute
#1397 [08:42] <Crystal> also it doesn't show up in roaminganymore
#1398 [08:42] <Crystal> kk
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#1400 [08:44] <adamkex> Crystal: did you remove it from the recycle bin?
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#1402 [08:44] <Crystal> oh
#1403 [08:44] <Crystal> no
#1404 [08:44] <Crystal> sec
#1405 [08:45] <adamkex> Crystal: is your java up to date? http://java.com/en/
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#1412 [08:50] <abbott959555> can someone help me a second ?
#1413 [08:50] <adamkex> Crystal: fallen asleep? :)
#1414 [08:50] <Crystal> ha
#1415 [08:50] <abbott959555> no , i want to know if someone gets the same problem as me
#1416 [08:50] <Crystal> helphim a sec, I'mupdating java
#1417 [08:51] <abbott959555> anyone else crash at the mojand logo or main menu evertime they open minecraft ?
#1418 [08:52] <adamkex> abbott959555: Crystal can't open minecraft at all, updating java first
#1419 [08:52] <adamkex> abbott959555: try updating java first*
#1420 [08:53] <abbott959555> okay
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#1422 [08:53] <Badugga> Hi =/
#1423 [08:54] <adamkex> Badugga: hello!
#1424 [08:54] <Badugga> Im starting to lose my respect to Mojang...
#1425 [08:54] <Badugga> I bought a gift code three days ago
#1426 [08:54] <Badugga> And i still havent gotten the freaking code =(
#1427 [08:55] <BarryCarlyon> Its more likely a PayPal problem.
#1428 [08:55] <BarryCarlyon> I work with PayPal everyday.
#1429 [08:55] <Badugga> ...
#1430 [08:55] <BarryCarlyon> It can be "interesting"
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#1432 [08:55] <adamkex> Well you should maybe email Mojang then, I do not know how to help you with this because all I am is a minecraft user
#1433 [08:55] <Badugga> I bought it with Visa =/
#1434 [08:55] <Artiik> Hello
#1435 [08:55] <Artiik> wats up?
#1436 [08:55] <Badugga> hI =)
#1437 [08:56] <BarryCarlyon> Heh I assumed paypal :-D
#1438 [08:56] <Crystal> coming from someone who works in the credit card business
#1439 [08:56] <Crystal> does the charge show up on your statement?
#1440 [08:56] <adamkex> BarryCarlyon: hi!
#1441 [08:56] <Badugga> Yes =(
#1442 [08:56] <Crystal> (lookit me, I'm a newb and i'm being helpful)
#1443 [08:56] <BarryCarlyon> Woot
#1444 [08:56] * BarryCarlyon waves
#1444 [08:57] <Badugga> I think its because i quit after three hours of the "verifying" transaction page =/
#1445 [08:57] <Crystal> hm. as pending or as charged?
#1446 [08:57] <BarryCarlyon> This is community support for the community so have at it Crystal
#1447 [08:57] <adamkex> BarryCarlyon: how often do you use your backups?
#1448 [08:57] <Badugga> Its good to see that there is still people who help =)
#1449 [08:57] <BarryCarlyon> adamkex: use? Rarely.
#1450 [08:57] <Badugga> Yes, it charged
#1451 [08:57] <BarryCarlyon> Its a low traffic server :-D
#1452 [08:57] <BarryCarlyon> I've used a backup twice.
#1453 [08:57] <Badugga> What are u talking about?
#1454 [08:57] <BarryCarlyon> Once when the box fell over, that other time to grab some chunks after someone burnt down the treehouse.
#1455 [08:58] <Badugga> Well, if im not going to get the game soon im going to warez it =/
#1456 [08:58] <Badugga> That is a shame but...
#1457 [08:58] <Badugga> Im not going to waste my moneys.
#1458 [08:58] <BarryCarlyon> Badugga: if you have paid for it just drop them an email.
#1459 [08:58] <Crystal> did you pay with credit or debit card
#1460 [08:58] <Badugga> I have send to emails to mojang, one to payment@mojang.com and daniel@mojang.com
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#1462 [08:58] <Badugga> Credit
#1463 [08:58] <Crystal> and did you get an email?
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#1465 [08:58] <Badugga> And they havent answered =/
#1466 [08:58] <adamkex> BarryCarlyon: okay, sometimes i get weird issues, it is backing up every 15 minutes i reverted the server and i find myself in a different location where i should be
#1467 [08:59] <Badugga> I only got the system automatic update
#1468 [08:59] <Badugga> wtf update :D
#1469 [08:59] <BarryCarlyon> They do get a lot of emails Badugga .
#1470 [08:59] <BarryCarlyon> adamkex: on backup restore it restores your player file too.
#1471 [08:59] <Badugga> i mean the zendesks automatic response email
#1472 [08:59] <adamkex> BarryCarlyon: i know, that's what's odd
#1473 [08:59] <Badugga> what if i put it up on the forums?
#1474 [08:59] <BarryCarlyon> adamkex: and the player file is a whole different kettle of fish, as the palyer file only udpates when you leave the server. So restoring backup jumps you back to the time you quit before the backup/.
#1475 [09:00] <BarryCarlyon> Badugga: that won't help.
#1476 [09:00] <BarryCarlyon> They will jsut sale email mojang.
#1477 [09:00] <BarryCarlyon> Which is the only "official" support channel.
#1478 [09:00] <Crystal> you could always do a dispute on the charge, but that'd take 30 days and tbh you'll probably get an email back before then
#1479 [09:01] <Badugga> Okay =/
#1480 [09:01] <Crystal> credit cards are slow like that
#1481 [09:01] <Badugga> but, is it possible that i wont get the game? =/
#1482 [09:01] <Crystal> <-worked in the disputes department
#1483 [09:01] <Badugga> If it is, that really sucks.
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#1485 [09:01] <Crystal> it'd say it's more than likely that you'll get it, just be patient
#1486 [09:02] <adamkex> BarryCarlyon: oh, now i understand why it's weird sometimes..
#1487 [09:02] <Crystal> which I know, as an impatient person, sucks
#1488 [09:02] <BarryCarlyon> Badugga: if the paymetn has gone thru then there is no reason why not, jsut sounds like the web hook didn't fire properly so mojang didn't get notification, but they did get the money.
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#1490 [09:02] <adamkex> Crystal: how is java going?
#1491 [09:02] <Badugga> Okay =)
#1492 [09:02] <BarryCarlyon> adamkex: if you do a restore from backup, jsut only restore the region folder perhaps.
#1493 [09:02] <Badugga> Thanks =)
#1494 [09:02] <derpierre65> i have found a locked chest, how can i open this?
#1495 [09:02] <Crystal> apparently i accidentally reinstalled java instead of updated it
#1496 [09:02] <Crystal> sooo
#1497 [09:02] <BarryCarlyon> derpierre65: its a april fools joke.
#1498 [09:02] <Crystal> it's going
#1499 [09:02] <Badugga> Im just retarded after a long annoing day of school...
#1500 [09:02] <derpierre65> ?
#1501 [09:02] <Badugga> Today is april day?
#1502 [09:02] <Badugga> Wow
#1503 [09:02] <BarryCarlyon> derpierre65: http://minecraf.com/store/loot.jsp
#1504 [09:02] <derpierre65> ah
#1505 [09:02] <Badugga> I didnt remember :D
#1506 [09:02] <derpierre65> okay thanx
#1507 [09:02] <BarryCarlyon> http://minecraft.com/store/loot.jsp
#1508 [09:02] <BarryCarlyon> even
#1509 [09:03] <BarryCarlyon> http://minecraftwiki.net/wiki/locked_chest/
#1510 [09:03] <derpierre65> I can not destroy this :(
#1511 [09:03] <adamkex> BarryCarlyon: the problem is my friends want to to backup whenever they drown and lose 300iron
#1512 [09:03] <Crystal> i'm praying my teacher says 'you have class' 'APRIL FOOLS GO HOME YO'
#1513 [09:03] <BarryCarlyon> adamkex: say no
#1514 [09:03] <Crystal> :( but I doubt college works like that
#1515 [09:03] <BarryCarlyon> and in that case you only need to do their player file.
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#1517 [09:03] <derpierre65> who can destroy she?
#1518 [09:03] <BarryCarlyon> derpierre65: only tnt can.
#1519 [09:03] <derpierre65> *how
#1520 [09:03] <BarryCarlyon> I think
#1521 [09:03] <derpierre65> lol
#1522 [09:04] <derpierre65> because my home ..
#1523 [09:04] <adamkex> BarryCarlyon: okay, but you said is doesn't backup the players file since it saves when one logs out?
#1524 [09:04] <Badugga> I love redstone.
#1525 [09:04] <Badugga> :D
#1526 [09:04] <BarryCarlyon> derpierre65: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Locked_Chest
#1527 [09:04] <derpierre65> with mcedit?
#1528 [09:04] <adamkex> BarryCarlyon: or have i mussunderstood you?
#1529 [09:04] <adamkex> Badugga: can i send you a link on youtube of redstone, it made me amazed
#1530 [09:04] <derpierre65> can destroy the locked chest with MCEdit?
#1531 [09:05] <Crystal> completely reinstalled java, no help
#1532 [09:05] <BarryCarlyon> adamkex: the backup process I gave you does backup the player files, but recovering player data when they died is not that reliable. Since player data only saves when they quit. So they have to get 300 iron, quit rejoin then die to get it back.
#1533 [09:05] <Crystal> also I tried opening as administrator to no avail
#1534 [09:05] <andy2503> oh no the locked chest is in my house
#1535 [09:05] <BarryCarlyon> Notch is planning to remove these at midnight tonight.
#1536 [09:05] <Crystal> oh wait, here it is
#1537 [09:05] <adamkex> Crystal: can you type my name before you write to me? it makes it much easier for me to see when you write
#1538 [09:05] <BarryCarlyon> ^^Locked chests^^
#1539 [09:05] <Crystal> YO ADAM it worked:)
#1540 [09:06] <BarryCarlyon> adamkex: just give them 300 iron then :-D /give player iron_id_code units
#1541 [09:06] <adamkex> BarryCarlyon: i didn't know that when they died.. and it feels cheaty :(
#1542 [09:06] <adamkex> Crystal: congrats! :)
#1543 [09:06] <BarryCarlyon> adamkex: indeed if they die just say no.
#1544 [09:06] <Badugga> Im trying to contact Jeb through twitter
#1545 [09:07] <Crystal> just in time for me to have to go to class :/
#1546 [09:07] <BarryCarlyon> adamkex: its impracicle.
#1547 [09:07] <Badugga> But i dont know how =/
#1548 [09:07] <Crystal> thank you adamkex
#1549 [09:07] <Crystal> <3
#1550 [09:07] <Crystal> laters
#1551 [09:07] <BarryCarlyon> Badugga: he'll just route you to email.
#1552 [09:07] <BarryCarlyon> Badugga: we are talkiing about your credit card details here.
#1553 [09:07] <Badugga> :D
#1554 [09:07] <adamkex> yay a girl approves of me, 10 points to griffindor
#1555 [09:08] <BarryCarlyon> adamkex: when i said "quit rejoin then die to get it back." what I mean is, they die, you now have a player file to backup from (assumiong the backup script ran)
#1556 [09:08] <BarryCarlyon> adamkex: you are assuming crystal is a girl?
#1557 [09:08] <adamkex> BarryCarlyon: i guess not many guys are called Minerva
#1558 [09:09] <BarryCarlyon> adamkex: didn't know that tthey were call Minerva
#1559 [09:10] <adamkex> BarryCarlyon: it says ~Minerva@host-xxx..... has quit. and then something about blondes in her quit message
#1560 [09:10] <BarryCarlyon> meh
#1561 [09:11] <adamkex> doesn't matter, if a guy approves it's also okay
#1562 [09:12] <adamkex> BarryCarlyon: what server os do you use?
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#1564 [09:21] <Thoatt|Sleep> so have you guys seen this yet?
#1565 [09:21] <Thoatt|Sleep> http://www.minecraft.net/store/loot.jsp
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#1568 [09:23] <Thoatt|Sleep> make sure to try out checkout and adding over 10k into your 'cart'
#1569 [09:23] <alexandros> hello
#1570 [09:23] <BarryCarlyon> adamkex: for minecraft currently ubuntu, ran one on freebsd recently
#1571 [09:23] <alexandros> When MC is loading i get a black screen
#1572 [09:23] <alexandros> im on ubuntu 10.10
#1573 [09:23] <alexandros> firefox 4
#1574 [09:24] <adamkex> BarryCarlyon: okay
#1575 [09:25] <alexandros> anyone?
#1576 [09:25] <adamkex> alexandros: update java
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#1598 [10:55] <Badubba> Hi...
#1599 [10:56] <g> Good evening
#1600 [10:56] <Badubba> Evening?
#1601 [10:56] <Badubba> Where are u from :D
#1602 [10:56] <Badubba> =)
#1603 [10:56] <Badubba> Im from finland
#1604 [10:56] <Badubba> its 17.55 here
#1605 [10:57] <g> Ireland..
#1606 [10:57] <g> 15:57
#1607 [10:57] <Badubba> Okay =)
#1608 [10:57] <Badubba> I did not get my minecraft gift code, im bit angry now =/
#1609 [10:58] <g> You should have got it in your email.
#1610 [10:58] <g> If not,
#1611 [10:58] <g> your payment is probably still processing.
#1612 [10:58] <Badubba> i ordered it three days ago...
#1613 [10:58] <g> It's been knwon to take up to thirty days in some cases
#1614 [10:58] <Badubba> :D
#1615 [10:58] <Badubba> =)
#1616 [10:58] <g> Due to paypal being completely stupid
#1617 [10:58] <Badubba> Ok
#1618 [10:58] <g> known*
#1619 [10:58] <Badubba> im not using paypal
#1620 [10:58] <g> You're using the other one?
#1621 [10:58] <Badubba> yea
#1622 [10:58] <g> In that case, I'm not sure
#1623 [10:59] <Badubba> Okay.
#1624 [10:59] <g> oh right
#1625 [10:59] <g> on minecraft.net
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#1627 [10:59] <g> login, go to profile
#1628 [10:59] <Badubba> Oh god, to be honest im not feeling good right now...
#1629 [10:59] <g> it should tell you whether you have any codes available
#1630 [10:59] <Badubba> Im going to use Neobux
#1631 [10:59] <Cyberstorm> How do you set the MOTD on a server?
#1632 [10:59] <Badubba> to get moneys to the freaking game...
#1633 [10:59] <Lames_> my minecraft says always: Timed out
#1634 [10:59] <Lames_> idk why
#1635 [10:59] <g> Lames_: When does it say that?
#1636 [11:00] <Badubba> Can i buy minecraft without a credit card?
#1637 [11:00] <Lames_> everytime I click on 'connect'
#1638 [11:00] <Badubba> or debit
#1639 [11:00] <g> Badubba: How would you get the funs over without?
#1640 [11:00] <g> funds*
#1641 [11:00] <g> Lames_: Is it the one server?
#1642 [11:00] <Badubba> If i just get the moneys by Neobux=
#1643 [11:00] <Badubba> Wait
#1644 [11:00] <Badubba> il show u =)
#1645 [11:00] <g> Nah, I'm good
#1646 [11:00] <Lames_> idk I only have the server ip of this server
#1647 [11:00] <Lames_> idk how to get other's ip ._.
#1648 [11:00] <Badubba> PTC!
#1649 [11:01] <g> Lames_: Make sure you've got the correct port
#1650 [11:01] <g> Badubba: The only methods right now are paypal and credit/debit card
#1651 [11:01] <Badubba> Okay, but u know paid to click?
#1652 [11:01] <g> I believe Notch takes cheques or something but..
#1653 [11:01] <Badubba> If i get moneys to paypal by that
#1654 [11:01] <Badubba> But do i have to add the debit/credit card to pay?
#1655 [11:02] <g> Nope
#1656 [11:02] <Badubba> YAY
#1657 [11:02] <Badubba> :DDDD
#1658 [11:02] <g> You can spend within the limit, which is something like €100
#1659 [11:02] <Badubba> THANK YOU G!
#1660 [11:02] <GreyVulpine> ??> Lames_ smp/servers
#1661 [11:02] <VoxelHead> Lames_: (smp/servers) There currently is no master list of all SMP servers. Fan-made indexes include http://www.mcserverlist.net/ - http://www.reddit.com/r/mcservers - http://minecraftservers.net/ - http://minecraft.dk/mcserverlist/
#1662 [11:02] <VoxelHead> Lames_: (smp/servers) You can also find a list at the MC forums at http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewforum.php?f=1025. Also, try the #smp channel.
#1663 [11:02] <g> Welcome.
#1664 [11:02] <Badubba> Ur the best =)))
#1665 [11:02] <g> :P
#1666 [11:03] <Lames_> can I see there the IPs so I can type it in the connect thingy in
#1667 [11:03] <GreyVulpine> Yes Lames_
#1668 [11:03] <Lames_> thanks
#1669 [11:03] <Badubba> but...
#1670 [11:03] <Badubba> When i try to pay with paypal im getting add debit/credit card page
#1671 [11:03] <Badubba> and it cant be skipped, i think
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#1673 [11:05] <g> hmm
#1674 [11:05] <g> I paid without doing that
#1675 [11:05] <g> you might have hit your limit,
#1676 [11:05] <g> or it might be required by your country
#1677 [11:06] <Badubba> i have never paid with paypal ._.
#1678 [11:06] <g> Anyone know who's responsible for the fake Notch blog?
#1679 [11:06] <g> Badubba: Then I honestly don't know, sorry
#1680 [11:06] <Badubba> okay =/
#1681 [11:08] <Badubba> what is an instant payment?
#1682 [11:09] <Badubba> For mojang?
#1683 [11:09] <Badubba> im on paypal right now
#1684 [11:09] <Badubba> "Link a card to make instant payment"
#1685 [11:09] <g> oh right
#1686 [11:09] <g> I forgot
#1687 [11:09] <g> Paypal changed their terms
#1688 [11:10] <g> So you now need a card
#1689 [11:10] <g> which is.. completely stupid.
#1690 [11:10] <Badubba> FUUUCK
#1691 [11:10] <g> Language >.>
#1692 [11:10] <Badubba> I NEVER GET MINECRAAFT! I KNEW IT !
#1693 [11:10] <Badubba> Im sorry, im just so angry =(
#1694 [11:11] <Badubba> Im feeling.... Retarded....
#1695 [11:11] <Badubba> And g, yea im sorry about my language =(
#1696 [11:12] <g> GreyVulpine: Lol, was the bot kicked?
#1697 [11:12] <g> Badubba: It's all good I guess
#1698 [11:12] <g> (McPlusPlus I mean)
#1699 [11:12] <GreyVulpine> Bot's here
#1700 [11:12] <GreyVulpine> Say what?
#1701 [11:12] <g> McPlusPlus
#1702 [11:12] <g> :P
#1703 [11:12] <GreyVulpine> I don't recognize that name
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#1705 [11:12] <g> that
#1706 [11:12] <g> unless I forgot to make it rejoin
#1707 [11:12] <g> which is entirely possible
#1708 [11:13] <GreyVulpine> Ah, I think I recognize that name now, it was kicked when Vox first set the nick flood ban
#1709 [11:13] <g> I had it rejoin :P
#1710 [11:13] <GreyVulpine> Ah
#1711 [11:14] <g> but I moved it to my VPS later so it probably didn't make it back
#1712 [11:14] <g> I see the channel is +c, too
#1713 [11:14] <g> hmm
#1714 [11:14] * g wonders how to get channel modes
#1714 [11:14] <Badubba> Greyvulpine
#1715 [11:14] <Badubba> I need ur advice, again :D
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#1717 [11:15] <GreyVulpine> Hmm?
#1718 [11:15] <Badubba> Its about paypal payments,
#1719 [11:15] <Badubba> So
#1720 [11:15] <GreyVulpine> I'm only familiar with paypal as I use it in the states
#1721 [11:15] <Badubba> If i get moneys to paypal, do i still need to link a card to my account to make a payment?
#1722 [11:15] <GreyVulpine> I generally don't have to link it to my credit card/bank account.
#1723 [11:16] <Badubba> WOO!
#1724 [11:16] <GreyVulpine> But that's in the states
#1725 [11:16] <Badubba> Gey
#1726 [11:16] <Badubba> Grey
#1727 [11:16] <GreyVulpine> I don't know how it is elsewhere
#1728 [11:16] <Badubba> If i send moneys there buy mc to me :D
#1729 [11:16] <g> ~quit
#1730 [11:16] <Badubba> If i just make a new account with united states as country?
#1731 [11:16] <GreyVulpine> I don't think it'll let you.
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#1733 [11:16] <McPlusPlus> [NotchBlog] The weirdest night of my life! (Anonymous) - Wed, 30 Mar 2011 15:36:28 +0200
#1734 [11:16] <McPlusPlus> [MC-Updates] Minecraft Beta 1.4 (Anonymous) - Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:14:33 -0400
#1735 [11:16] <g> oh there
#1736 [11:16] <g> now it works
#1737 [11:17] <g> ahh, so +c STRIPS colours now..
#1738 [11:17] <Badubba> ok
#1739 [11:17] <GreyVulpine> Yeah
#1740 [11:17] <g> that makes more sense
#1741 [11:18] <g> brb
#1742 [11:20] <g> back
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#1744 [11:21] <Badubba> Hey!
#1745 [11:21] <Badubba> What if i use the TopUp feature on PayPal?
#1746 [11:21] <GreyVulpine> I'm not familiar with that feature
#1747 [11:22] <g> Isn't that where you top up from das bank?
#1748 [11:22] <Badubba> Okay :D
#1749 [11:22] <Badubba> Das?
#1750 [11:22] <Badubba> Wut?
#1751 [11:22] <Badubba> My?
#1752 [11:22] <g> the
#1753 [11:22] <ItsCriminal> when i start minecraft_server.jar (linux), after like 10min my server has just timeouts the whole time
#1754 [11:22] <g> :P
#1755 [11:22] <Badubba> oh, i suck at internet slang :D
#1756 [11:22] <g> its not slang
#1757 [11:22] <g> it's german
#1758 [11:22] <g> :P
#1759 [11:22] <Badubba> k
#1760 [11:22] <ItsCriminal> haha
#1761 [11:22] <Badubba> :D
#1762 [11:23] <Badubba> So, i go to my bank and make a bank transfer to specified address
#1763 [11:23] <Badubba> ?
#1764 [11:23] <Badubba> Then the moneys come, and i just pay.
#1765 [11:23] <g> don't you have a card though?
#1766 [11:23] <Badubba> I have Debit card.
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#1768 [11:24] <g> link it if you can
#1769 [11:24] <g> brb again
#1770 [11:24] <Badubba> But it cannot be linked to paypal, i dont have internet bank, though.
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#1772 [11:25] <Marsu> Hi y'all. I've got a problem I've been trying to solve for a year or so now. I'll start with my specs: Win 7 32bit, geforce 8800 gts, intel core 2 quad q6600 @ 3ghz. My problem is with fps, and as you can see from my specs, the problem isn't with computing power.
#1773 [11:25] <Marsu> The problem comes and goes as it pleases so it makes the troubleshooting so much harder
#1774 [11:25] <g> back, again
#1775 [11:26] <Badubba> Ai moi marsu! :D
#1776 [11:26] <Marsu> basically I can't play 70% of the time. The game starts (it can even lag the yellow text next to minecraft logo) then I get to play and it runs smooth as ever for the first 10s
#1777 [11:26] <Badubba> Where are u from?
#1778 [11:26] <Marsu> then fps drops to 5 and it goes on like that
#1779 [11:26] <Marsu> suomestahan minä
#1780 [11:26] <g> !
#1781 [11:26] <Badubba> Aha hyvä :D
#1782 [11:26] <g> I remember that
#1783 [11:26] <g> how did I fix it..
#1784 [11:26] <Badubba> We speak finnish, bot of us.
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#1786 [11:27] <Badubba> both*
#1787 [11:27] <g> I.. can't remember
#1788 [11:27] <Marsu> It's soooo frustrating
#1789 [11:27] <g> try the alternative MC launcher
#1790 [11:27] <Marsu> what's that?
#1791 [11:27] <Badubba> Wut?
#1792 [11:27] <g> You're talking about SMP?
#1793 [11:27] <Badubba> Or
#1794 [11:27] <Marsu> umm single and mp
#1795 [11:27] <Marsu> doesn't matter
#1796 [11:27] <Badubba> U have tryed starting with different parameters?
#1797 [11:28] <Marsu> no, what do you mean by that?
#1798 [11:28] <Marsu> I've tried running on high priority and with just 1 core, but doesn't help
#1799 [11:28] <Marsu> the weird thing is, if I just keep on restarting the game at some point it'll work again
#1800 [11:28] <GreyVulpine> Marsu - How much RAM do you have on the system, how much free when you launch MC?
#1801 [11:28] <Marsu> 2gb
#1802 [11:28] <Marsu> wait I'll see
#1803 [11:29] <Badubba> Wait
#1804 [11:29] <Badubba> What is ur minecraft.exe s name
#1805 [11:29] <Badubba> Minecraft.exe?
#1806 [11:29] <Marsu> yup
#1807 [11:29] <Badubba> Okay good =)
#1808 [11:29] <Badubba> Go to notepad
#1809 [11:29] <Marsu> it takes just 10% of my memory
#1810 [11:30] <GreyVulpine> Marsu, the minecraft.exe reserves 512-1 gig of RAM
#1811 [11:30] <Badubba> Hey, download the JAR version of minecraft
#1812 [11:30] <Marsu> task manager says 250 000k
#1813 [11:30] <Badubba> http://www.minecraft.net/download/minecraft.jar?v=1301671793692
#1814 [11:30] <Badubba> Then u
#1815 [11:30] <Badubba> Make a new notepad file
#1816 [11:30] <Badubba> and paste in this
#1817 [11:30] <Badubba> java -Xmx1024M -Xms512M -cp Minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame
#1818 [11:31] <Badubba> then save it as *.bat
#1819 [11:31] <GreyVulpine> That does the same thing as the .exe
#1820 [11:31] <Badubba> But it has more memory here.
#1821 [11:31] <Badubba> I think
#1822 [11:31] <GreyVulpine> Nope
#1823 [11:31] <Badubba> K
#1824 [11:31] <Badubba> :D
#1825 [11:31] <Badubba> Then ill just shut up.
#1826 [11:31] <Badubba> HEY!
#1827 [11:31] <Marsu> :D
#1828 [11:31] <Badubba> U can try using the optimine
#1829 [11:31] <Marsu> sooo I shouldn't do that
#1830 [11:31] <Badubba> ?
#1831 [11:31] <Badubba> No
#1832 [11:32] <GreyVulpine> No.
#1833 [11:32] <Marsu> sigh...
#1834 [11:32] <Badubba> k
#1835 [11:32] <Badubba> Umm
#1836 [11:32] <Marsu> I haaaate this
#1837 [11:32] <Badubba> Yesa
#1838 [11:32] <Badubba> Ye
#1839 [11:32] <GreyVulpine> Marsu - Are you running any sort of Antivirus that continuously scans?
#1840 [11:32] <Badubba> as
#1841 [11:32] <Badubba> Mee tooo!
#1842 [11:32] <GreyVulpine> And sort of program that is always on? or uses the HDD constantly?
#1843 [11:32] <Badubba> i dont even have Minecraft!
#1844 [11:32] <GreyVulpine> Maybe a defragmenter?
#1845 [11:32] <Marsu> GreyVulpine I thought about that but I only use win 7 default antivir & ad-aware
#1846 [11:32] <Badubba> Mojang stole my money...
#1847 [11:33] <Badubba> Could it be about Win7?
#1848 [11:33] <Marsu> GreyVulpine it isn't about resources on my end
#1849 [11:33] <Marsu> I had the same prob with XP if I remember right
#1850 [11:33] <Badubba> Okay.
#1851 [11:33] <GreyVulpine> There's gotta be something, Marsu, I have no problems on my end
#1852 [11:33] <Marsu> GreyVulpine I know right :D
#1853 [11:33] <GreyVulpine> There's a bunch of people here that have no problems
#1854 [11:33] <Badubba> Opengl ?
#1855 [11:33] <Badubba> If u have old opengl the rendering goes slow when there comes more chunks.
#1856 [11:34] <Marsu> GreyVulpine I know it's a matter with my computer or some bug with java
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#1859 [11:34] <Marsu> I'd think it's a bug since it comes and goes without me changing anything with my comp
#1860 [11:34] <Badubba> Hey, try updating java?
#1861 [11:34] <GreyVulpine> I have the same Video card...
#1862 [11:34] <Badubba> :D
#1863 [11:34] <Badubba> Okay...
#1864 [11:34] <Marsu> I think I have all my drivers + java up to date
#1865 [11:34] <Badubba> i have 32mb video card, and minecraft is running
#1866 [11:34] <Badubba> OK
#1867 [11:34] <Marsu> yea, that's the sad thing
#1868 [11:35] <GreyVulpine> Hmm.
#1869 [11:35] <Marsu> I have this wonderful cpu which can run most of the newest games with decent graphics but then minecraft comes and fucks my braing
#1870 [11:35] <GreyVulpine> I know Marsu
#1871 [11:35] <Badubba> =/
#1872 [11:35] <Marsu> it's weird, when I start I have chunk updates @ 100+ and fps @ 60
#1873 [11:35] <Marsu> then suddenly chunk updates drop to 10 and fps to 5
#1874 [11:36] <GreyVulpine> You're not doing some sort of funky overclocking, right?
#1875 [11:36] <Marsu> just a bit
#1876 [11:36] <GreyVulpine> A bit isn't bad, how much?
#1877 [11:36] <Marsu> but I had the thing before the clocks
#1878 [11:36] <GreyVulpine> Okay.
#1879 [11:36] <Marsu> umm, I didn't even need to up the voltage so not much
#1880 [11:37] <Marsu> 2.7 -> 3ghz if I remember right
#1881 [11:37] <Marsu> never had a problem with a game/computer I couldn't solve. it's like an electronic kick on the balls
#1882 [11:38] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, sec.
#1883 [11:38] <Badubba> Im retarded
#1884 [11:38] <Badubba> And sad =/
#1885 [11:38] <Badubba> And angst
#1886 [11:38] <Badubba> Bye =/
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#1888 [11:39] <JBOT> hi
#1889 [11:39] <Marsu> and now it works when I did nothing but closed firefox
#1890 [11:40] <Marsu> this is freaking weird...
#1891 [11:40] <Badubba> :D
#1892 [11:40] <Badubba> LOOL
#1893 [11:40] <Badubba> I KNOW
#1894 [11:40] <Badubba> Open task manager
#1895 [11:40] <Badubba> Check the muistin varaus kohta
#1896 [11:40] <Badubba> How full is it?
#1897 [11:40] <Marsu> half
#1898 [11:40] <Badubba> OKay,
#1899 [11:41] <Marsu> it's somehow connected to the chunk update thing
#1900 [11:41] <Badubba> Try closing some unnecessary processes
#1901 [11:41] <Badubba> Yea,
#1902 [11:41] <Marsu> since now the chunk updates never went under 40
#1903 [11:41] <Badubba> Try turning more fog on?
#1904 [11:41] <Badubba> Its basically good if there is less chunk updates
#1905 [11:41] <Marsu> I had lots of fog when I started the game now, then I put the distance furthes I could
#1906 [11:41] <GreyVulpine> Possibly a paging issue?
#1907 [11:41] <Badubba> paging?
#1908 [11:41] <Badubba> Page file?
#1909 [11:41] * GreyVulpine nods
#1909 [11:42] <GreyVulpine> ie, not enough RAM free.
#1910 [11:42] <Marsu> ok now as the game has run for a while chunk updates went down to 1 but fps stayed up
#1911 [11:42] <Badubba> Yea going to warez minecraft...
#1912 [11:42] <Badubba> I cant wait anymore! :D
#1913 [11:42] <GreyVulpine> Badubba - This is not the channel to discuss that.
#1914 [11:42] <Badubba> SOrry...
#1915 [11:42] <GreyVulpine> I would highly recommend you leaving if you do pursue that matter
#1916 [11:42] <g> ^
#1917 [11:42] <Badubba> Okay sorry ill stop, im just mad :D
#1918 [11:42] <g> Before you are removed forcibly.
#1919 [11:42] <Marsu> GreyVulpine I had atleast half of memory free when the game lagged
#1920 [11:43] <GreyVulpine> Marsu - It's the only explaination that really makes sense right now
#1921 [11:43] <Marsu> I guess I'll never know what's wrong with it...
#1922 [11:43] <Marsu> it works if mercury and mars are lined
#1923 [11:43] <Marsu> :D
#1924 [11:43] <Badubba> You can ask at the forums =)
#1925 [11:43] <Marsu> I've tried
#1926 [11:43] <GreyVulpine> The forums are crap.
#1927 [11:43] <Badubba> Okay =/
#1928 [11:43] * GreyVulpine coughs
#1928 [11:43] <Marsu> I got one "CHECK THE FPS THREAD" -spam and no other real help
#1929 [11:43] <Marsu> _b
#1930 [11:43] <Marsu> :D
#1931 [11:44] <Marsu> I'll try to get the bug to occur again
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#1933 [11:44] <Badubba> Why
#1934 [11:44] <Badubba> U can play now =)
#1935 [11:44] <Badubba> Hey, im having same problem right now =S
#1936 [11:45] <Badubba> When i goto game its smooth and nice, but then it gets choppy and laggy =/
#1937 [11:45] <g> Fog helps.
#1938 [11:45] <Badubba> i have on tiny...
#1939 [11:45] <Badubba> :D
#1940 [11:46] <Badubba> WOO
#1941 [11:46] <Badubba> DANIEL ANSWERED ME! I LOVE U GUYS THANKS FOR THE SUPPORT! =)
#1942 [11:46] <Badubba> And sorry about spam.
#1943 [11:46] <Marsu> the bug spreads as I tell about it!
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#1946 [11:47] <Marsu> ok now I did _nothing_ at all just restarted and the bug is bag
#1947 [11:47] <Marsu> back*
#1948 [11:48] <Marsu> this shouldn't freaking be possible
#1949 [11:48] <Badubba> Sulla on kiva nimi =)
#1950 [11:48] <Marsu> and for GreyVulpine I have more memory free now than when it worked
#1951 [11:49] <Marsu> one processor seems to be going on full power tho :O
#1952 [11:49] <Badubba> wow
#1953 [11:50] <Marsu> ok it seems to have something to do with my processor I guess
#1954 [11:51] <Marsu> Defi-fucking-nately. Even popping up the starting screen boosts cpu-usage from 0-3% to ~50%
#1955 [11:52] <Marsu> ok GreyVulpine any other guesses how to fix with these new infos? :P
#1956 [11:52] <Marsu> task manager says javaw.exe uses 49% of my 3ghz processors
#1957 [11:53] <GreyVulpine> Of.. one processor?
#1958 [11:53] <Marsu> of _all_
#1959 [11:53] <Marsu> now I restarted and now it uses only 3% and the starting screen is smooth
#1960 [11:53] <GreyVulpine> MC is only singlethreaded
#1961 [11:54] <GreyVulpine> It doesn't take advantage of multiple cores
#1962 [11:54] <Marsu> welll I guess I should tell that to my cpu
#1963 [11:54] <Marsu> java tries to use all of em atleast
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#1965 [11:54] <Badubba> Try running Minecraft on the core what has the lowest cpu usage?
#1966 [11:55] <Marsu> 1 processor use is lots of higher than the others so it could be just that the other 3 cpus try to run the computer while the 1 is @ full usage
#1967 [11:55] <raskull> GreyVulpine: does javaw only ever support single core? what I mean is, it that a minecraft limitation, or a java limitation?
#1968 [11:56] <GreyVulpine> No, it's a MC limitation right now
#1969 [11:56] <Marsu> soooooo
#1970 [11:56] <Marsu> what could suddenly change so that mc tries to use a lot of processingpower but working fine when it uses just a bit
#1971 [11:57] <Marsu> where does that processingpower go, what uses it
#1972 [11:57] <GreyVulpine> You said you're using win7, right?
#1973 [11:57] <Marsu> yup
#1974 [11:57] <GreyVulpine> Go to your task manager, go to the performance tab, then the resource monitor
#1975 [11:58] <Marsu> ok I'm there
#1976 [11:58] <GreyVulpine> Look at your CPU usage, it'll be broken down by threads
#1977 [11:59] <Marsu> javaw.exe 27 threads, ~30 CPU, Average 26
#1978 [12:02] <GreyVulpine> Hmm
#1979 [12:02] <Marsu> now the problem only occured on fullscreen, when I minimized it started running smoothly
#1980 [12:02] <Marsu> I'm starting to think my computer is cursed -_-
#1981 [12:03] <Marsu> back to fullscreen and the problems back
#1982 [12:03] <GreyVulpine> That's... strange.
#1983 [12:04] <Marsu> agreed.
#1984 [12:04] <Marsu> but I've been having the same problem for over a year now I guess
#1985 [12:04] <Marsu> I usually just restart the game 5-10 times so it starts working
#1986 [12:04] <Marsu> but it's getting tiresome
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#1990 [12:10] <contrai> Hi I'm having troubles connecting to a multiplayer server. Is this a problem I can get help with here? the game keeps complaning the my connection times out even though My internet is running smoothly and the server is up.
#1991 [12:10] <Marsu> Ok so I guess I'll just continue doing what I've done this far -_-
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#1994 [12:17] <GreyVulpine> http://n0tch.tumblr.com/
#1995 [12:17] <McPlusPlus> "The Word of Notch" at n0tch.tumblr.com
#1996 [12:17] * GreyVulpine snickers
#1996 [12:18] <g> seen it
#1997 [12:18] <g> lo
#1998 [12:18] <g> lopl
#1999 [12:18] * GreyVulpine stabs AuBot
#1999 [12:18] <g> oh come on :P
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#2001 [12:18] <GreyVulpine> floody script
#2002 [12:18] <GreyVulpine> These bots do NOT like you man
#2003 [12:18] <g> indeed xD
#2004 [12:19] <lukegb> 1
#2005 [12:19] <lukegb> 2
#2006 [12:19] <lukegb> 3
#2007 [12:19] <g> Who is responsible for that blog, anyway? :P
#2008 [12:19] <lukegb> hmm
#2009 [12:19] <lukegb> Shouldn't the bot set +q, Kealper?
#2010 [12:22] <GreyVulpine> What's +q?
#2011 [12:22] <g> quiet
#2012 [12:22] <lukegb> ^
#2013 [12:22] <GreyVulpine> for the person, or the channel?
#2014 [12:23] <GreyVulpine> Oh, +b doesn't mute anymore?
#2015 [12:23] <g> no, it doesn't :P
#2016 [12:23] * GreyVulpine shakes fist at espernet
#2016 [12:23] <g> lol
#2017 [12:23] <g> /raw help cmode
#2018 [12:23] <GreyVulpine> I swear...
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#2022 [12:28] <icyhot> need help
#2023 [12:28] <GreyVulpine> With
#2024 [12:29] <icyhot> i'm a noob and i recently downloaded the minecraft online server 1.6 but it doesnt fit to my liking unlike the 1.3 noob edition. because all maps are prebuilt. are there any versions wherein i could freely build?
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#2026 [12:30] <Morrolan> What do you mean with "all maps are prebuilt"?
#2027 [12:30] <g> he wants a flatgrass creative
#2028 [12:30] <Morrolan> Ah.
#2029 [12:30] <icyhot> like for example i opened one server there in 1.6 and it says i cant build here. something like that
#2030 [12:30] <g> A) You're not op
#2031 [12:30] <GreyVulpine> Was using a modded server to do so
#2032 [12:30] <g> B) You're at the spawn
#2033 [12:31] <Morrolan> C) It's not your server and the owner of it decided to not allow anyone to build.
#2034 [12:31] <GreyVulpine> And there's no such thing as a 1.6 server
#2035 [12:31] <g> D) ???
#2036 [12:31] <g> E) Profit
#2037 [12:31] <Morrolan> Anyway, I've seen a flatgrass map a while back, I'll look if I find it.
#2038 [12:31] <g> had to do that :P
#2039 [12:31] <g> Morrolan: Yeah, same
#2040 [12:31] <g> it didn't work
#2041 [12:31] <GreyVulpine> There's a flatgrass map for classic.
#2042 [12:31] <GreyVulpine> Not beta
#2043 [12:32] <icyhot> ummm is there any version which is online where anybody could freely build? or could i become a server and have a free build for everybody?
#2044 [12:32] <g> GreyVulpine: There's one for beta too
#2045 [12:32] <g> but it broke
#2046 [12:32] <GreyVulpine> icyhot, there's the free classic creative server
#2047 [12:32] <icyhot> oh cool i could freely build there?
#2048 [12:32] <GreyVulpine> There is currently no creative mode for beta just yet
#2049 [12:32] <GreyVulpine> Yes icyhot
#2050 [12:33] <icyhot> ummm what do i type on my browser so i could look for it and download it?
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#2052 [12:33] <GreyVulpine> http://www.minecraft.net/servers.jsp
#2053 [12:33] <McPlusPlus> "Minecraft" at www.minecraft.net
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#2055 [12:33] <icyhot> thanks thanks thanks
#2056 [12:33] <GreyVulpine> g - I don't suppose there's a command to disable that on demand.
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#2058 [12:34] <g> GreyVulpine: There isn't but I can make one
#2059 [12:34] <g> I need to add a user system anyway so I'll do both
#2060 [12:34] <g> but
#2061 [12:34] <g> you can just put a space before the url
#2062 [12:37] <g> -until I fix it that is
#2063 [12:37] <g> it has no channel moderation features, for obvious reasons
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#2066 [12:39] <g> hmm
#2067 [12:39] * g considers finding a yml parser
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#2068 [12:40] <g> nah
#2069 [12:40] <g> I'll make my own
#2070 [12:40] <g> will use INI for now
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#2073 [12:46] <g> whoops
#2074 [12:46] <g> killed the wrong damn bot
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#2076 [12:47] <McPlusPlus> [NotchBlog] The weirdest night of my life! (Anonymous) - Wed, 30 Mar 2011 15:36:28 +0200
#2077 [12:47] <McPlusPlus> [MC-Updates] Minecraft Beta 1.4 (Anonymous) - Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:14:33 -0400
#2078 [12:48] <GreyVulpine> hah
#2079 [12:49] <knyrf> GreyVulpine: enjoying 1.4?
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#2082 [12:50] <icyhot> sorry guys if im becoming so annoying with my questions... ummmm where can i find new mods?
#2083 [12:50] <GreyVulpine> We have a new op?
#2084 [12:51] <GreyVulpine> Oh, it's just you xales.
#2085 [12:51] <GreyVulpine> icyhot - For classic?
#2086 [12:52] <icyhot> ummm how will i know which is which? all i have is 1.3 noob edition
#2087 [12:52] <knyrf> "noob edition"?
#2088 [12:52] <GreyVulpine> cracked beta client
#2089 [12:53] <knyrf> ah
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#2091 [12:53] <icyhot> is that illegal?
#2092 [12:53] <GreyVulpine> Yes.
#2093 [12:53] <icyhot> my version
#2094 [12:54] <icyhot> oh so what should i do?
#2095 [12:54] <GreyVulpine> You didn't pay for it, you downloaded/torrented it. Beta is not free.
#2096 [12:54] <Morrolan> Buy the game. ;)
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#2098 [12:54] <GreyVulpine> You can buy an account at minecraft.net
#2099 [12:54] <icyhot> ah good if i buy it i'd be able to have a lot more updates right?
#2100 [12:54] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#2101 [12:55] <icyhot> thanks thanks
#2102 [13:00] <bokaholic> Are the clouds in MC always heading a certain direction?
#2103 [13:00] <LoRDTrevor> yes
#2104 [13:00] <bokaholic> East?
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#2106 [13:01] <GreyVulpine> North
#2107 [13:01] <GreyVulpine> They always go north
#2108 [13:01] <GreyVulpine> Source: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Clouds
#2109 [13:01] <LoRDTrevor> but what exactly is north?
#2110 [13:02] <GreyVulpine> Well, the clouds always float north, the sun will always rise in the east, and set in the west.
#2111 [13:03] <bokaholic> Sweeet
#2112 [13:03] <bokaholic> I compass that doesn't freakin' point to spawn.
#2113 [13:03] <bokaholic> It's like a little mericle from God. ;.;
#2114 [13:04] * bokaholic wipes a tear from her eye.
#2114 [13:04] <Morrolan> Well, that's what the clouds are for, right? ;)
#2115 [13:05] <Morrolan> And I think you can use the texture on blocks as well.
#2116 [13:05] <bokaholic> I wish there were rain and snow storms. That would make it a bit interesting.. And make it so certain rare items are found only during rain storms or something.
#2117 [13:05] <bokaholic> Heee.
#2118 [13:06] <GreyVulpine> weather is on the to-do list
#2119 [13:06] <GreyVulpine> But it'll be sometime after achievements are in, and the mod API soon after that
#2120 [13:07] <bokaholic> Mod AIP? What is that?
#2121 [13:07] <GreyVulpine> The official mod api, or the..
#2122 [13:08] <GreyVulpine> !wiki api
#2123 [13:08] <GreyBot> Wikipedia Found: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_programming_interface
#2124 [13:08] <GreyBot> An application programming interface (API) is a particular set of rules and specifications that a software program can follow to access and make use of the services and resources provided by another particular software program that implements that API. It serves as an interface between different software programs and facilitates their interaction, similar to the way the user interface
#2125 [13:08] <GreyBot> facilitates interaction between humans and computers.
#2126 [13:08] <GreyVulpine> Basically an interface to make it easier for people to use to make mods for minecraft.
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#2128 [13:09] <bokaholic> Oh. Cool :D I have never used mods before in Minecraft.
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#2130 [13:19] <bokaholic> What else is planned for future minecraft? And neat rumors?
#2131 [13:23] <GreyVulpine> bokaholic - There's just so much stuff out there..
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#2133 [13:24] <GreyVulpine> We try to keep on top of it with Notch's blog, his twitter, his interviews, all of Mojang's twitter accounts, their interviews with various website and magazines and...
#2134 [13:24] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, there's just so much stuff out there.
#2135 [13:25] <GreyVulpine> Not to mention, some of Mojang pop onto IRC from time to time.
#2136 [13:27] <bokaholic> Awe.. Sad.. Is there a known release date? And will they still add to it and update it when it's 'finished'?
#2137 [13:27] <bokaholic> Last questions about that, honest! ;.;
#2138 [13:27] * bokaholic is just nosey. :}
#2138 [13:28] <GreyVulpine> There is no set "release date", there's still so much stuff to add to minecraft, from the adventurer mode, to the new creative mode, to others..
#2139 [13:28] <GreyVulpine> as well as all the features still to be added, and optimization and bug fixes, that minecraft is nowhere near finished, much less even close to giving a date for a finished product
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#2141 [13:29] <bokaholic> It's so cool that beta is here *hugs beta*
#2142 [13:29] <GreyVulpine> Indeed
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#2144 [13:31] <bud> is Kealper on?
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#2146 [13:32] <pierpaf> any ag staff?
#2147 [13:33] <g> AG_Clinton, AG_Elias, and AG_Scott are in here, pierpaf
#2148 [13:33] <g> (apologies for the pingas)
#2149 [13:33] <pierpaf> got a problem with my server
#2150 [13:34] <GreyVulpine> Write up a ticket on AG's site
#2151 [13:34] <GreyVulpine> They prefer to give support out via that
#2152 [13:34] <pierpaf> ok
#2153 [13:35] <g> brb
#2154 [13:37] <g> back
#2155 [13:38] <g> ~feeds
#2156 [13:39] <g> lol
#2157 [13:40] <g> 15kbps to youtube's flv servers
#2158 [13:40] <g> something's wrong :P
#2159 [13:40] <g> ah right, now it works
#2160 [13:44] <ItsCriminal> heya
#2161 [13:44] <ItsCriminal> level-seed= <- what does this mean
#2162 [13:45] <GreyVulpine> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Random_seed
#2163 [13:45] <McPlusPlus> "Random seed - Minecraft Wiki" at www.minecraftwiki.net
#2164 [13:45] <ItsCriminal> but do i have to make there an entry?
#2165 [13:45] <GreyVulpine> No
#2166 [13:45] <ItsCriminal> so empty means it does work
#2167 [13:46] <GreyVulpine> It'll generate one if you don't put one down yourself
#2168 [13:46] <ItsCriminal> great
#2169 [13:46] <Morrolan> Actually, if you let it generate a world first, and change it afterwards, does it use the new one from then on?
#2170 [13:46] <GreyVulpine> I.. don't know.
#2171 [13:47] <GreyVulpine> The level-seed thing is a new thing for 1.4, haven't had a chance to really test it out yet
#2172 [13:47] <ItsCriminal> so the seed is made out of letters
#2173 [13:47] <Morrolan> Or numbers
#2174 [13:47] <GreyVulpine> numbers
#2175 [13:47] <ItsCriminal> just numbers ok
#2176 [13:47] <Morrolan> Or maybe even other stuff.
#2177 [13:47] <GreyVulpine> It'll convert everything to numbers.
#2178 [13:47] <Morrolan> But you could type in whatever you want.
#2179 [13:47] <GreyVulpine> A letter will be converted to its ascii number value
#2180 [13:47] <ItsCriminal> oh ok :D
#2181 [13:47] <g> GreyVulpine: Think this is suitable for storing passwords?
#2182 [13:47] <g> http://i.imgur.com/zRyvP.png
#2183 [13:47] <g> :P
#2184 [13:48] * g slaps AuBot around a bit with a large trout.
#2184 [13:48] <GreyVulpine> Pfft
#2185 [13:48] <bud> Greyvulpine, I tried the last resort... I wiped my hard drive, and got everything back from scratch, but still Beta Multi is bugged on my compy
#2186 [13:49] <GreyVulpine> bud, I'm not really that much of a *nix guru.. so I can't really give you much help
#2187 [13:49] <GreyVulpine> xales, or DopeGhoti or Kealper would be better suited to help you
#2188 [13:50] <bud> ah kk ty
#2189 [13:50] <lukegb> bud: wassup?
#2190 [13:51] <bud> hi luke... ok I have been having a problem
#2191 [13:52] <bud> with my beta, its loaded with bugs
#2192 [13:52] <lukegb> Such as?
#2193 [13:52] <bud> I have tried everything including a final resort
#2194 [13:52] <bud> lag in chat, chunk load errors, getting disconnected
#2195 [13:52] <bud> not being able to harvest animals or mine anything
#2196 [13:52] <bud> whenever I try to mine resources, they just respawn
#2197 [13:53] <bud> clicking animals does nothing
#2198 [13:53] <lukegb> SMP?
#2199 [13:53] <bud> in multi
#2200 [13:53] <lukegb> Hmm
#2201 [13:53] <bud> my SP works fine
#2202 [13:53] <lukegb> Tried different servers?
#2203 [13:53] <bud> and I have tried ten or so, even put up a local yesterday to test that
#2204 [13:53] <bud> and same thing every time
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#2206 [13:53] <g> block respawn glitch
#2207 [13:53] <mib_gt1i5l> hey hows it going guuys.
#2208 [13:54] <bud> wiped my hard drive this morning and that was no help
#2209 [13:54] <g> was fixed in craftbukkit, not vanilla
#2210 [13:54] <bud> it happens in bukkit and vanilla servers
#2211 [13:54] <g> hmm
#2212 [13:54] <mib_gt1i5l> im experiencing some pretty bad lag and idk wy.
#2213 [13:54] <g> sounds like Notch failed again
#2214 [13:55] <bud> though, I noticed on the explanation of 1.4 there was nothing written about bug fixes or anything, just the new content
#2215 [13:55] <bud> so what I am thinking is, if this is still the 1.3 bug some have been experiencing
#2216 [13:55] <GreyVulpine> It's possible.
#2217 [13:55] <bud> it may not have been looked at yet, they did comment that they were rushing to try to get this update put out
#2218 [13:55] <g> well
#2219 [13:55] <g> it's likely
#2220 [13:55] <g> :P
#2221 [13:56] <mib_gt1i5l> anybody give me some guidance on how to lower res or something to make it so the game doesnt lag
#2222 [13:56] <g> that doesn't help.
#2223 [13:56] <Morrolan> mib: Disable smooth lightning in the options -> video menu
#2224 [13:56] <g> Morrolan: People are reporting that smooth lighting is less laggy
#2225 [13:57] <mib_gt1i5l> ty
#2226 [13:57] <Morrolan> Since the last update? Cause it always helped for me and some other people. :/
#2227 [13:57] <GreyVulpine> Same g.
#2228 [13:57] <mib_gt1i5l> ive tryed that this is my first time trying to play so idk much about it. does it run on a server online? if my interenets slow will that affect it?
#2229 [13:57] <GreyVulpine> mib_gt1i5l - On single player, no, it's only on your computer
#2230 [13:58] <mib_gt1i5l> ty sir
#2231 [13:58] <Morrolan> mib: Singleplayer is completely local. If you want to play multiplayer it's obviously on a server. :)
#2232 [13:58] <mib_gt1i5l> if i donwload a previous version will it lag less?
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#2234 [13:58] <GreyVulpine> So if it's running slowly on your computer, either something on your computer is not up to snuff, or you're one of the lucky few that experiences the lag bug.
#2235 [13:58] <GreyVulpine> mib_gt1i5l - I couldn't tell you. We do not officially support outdated versions here
#2236 [13:59] <mib_gt1i5l> ok thanks.
#2237 [13:59] <GreyVulpine> It makes it a whole lot easier if everybody uses the latest version, so we're all on the same page.
#2238 [13:59] <mib_gt1i5l> i understand
#2239 [13:59] <mib_gt1i5l> sometimes new updates arent thhe greatest i usually wait to here the reports before updating but didnt this time
#2240 [14:00] <GreyVulpine> It's what we all have to contend with during a game's "beta" phase.
#2241 [14:00] <mib_gt1i5l> haha yeah
#2242 [14:00] <GreyVulpine> I still can't run the server because it lags like crazy on mine.
#2243 [14:00] <mib_gt1i5l> alright thanks all im gonna go tweak with it
#2244 [14:02] <Nappz> Hey GreyVulpine : Remember that bug with redstone torches? Do you know if it's fixed in 1.4?
#2245 [14:02] <GreyVulpine> Oh god, yeah, I don't think it's fixed
#2246 [14:02] <GreyVulpine> Was on Kealper's updated server yesterday
#2247 [14:02] <Nappz> Crap.. :-|
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#2249 [14:07] <Kealper> damn, it's still not fixed?
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#2251 [14:08] <GreyVulpine> I need to do more testing, but redstone clocks don't reset itself when chunks are reloaded
#2252 [14:11] <g> heh
#2253 [14:11] <g> nice prank
#2254 [14:11] <g> http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/bellyfloppingphysicsp1.gif
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#2257 [14:12] <whitewolf007> anyone know if its possable to put SDK mod's on a craftbukkit server
#2258 [14:12] <g> whitewolf007: #bukkit
#2259 [14:12] <GreyVulpine> I don't believe so
#2260 [14:12] <GreyVulpine> the SDK mods are mostly single player mods only
#2261 [14:12] <whitewolf007> nope
#2262 [14:12] <whitewolf007> they are server sided also
#2263 [14:13] <figaro> hi, does anyone know how I can play minecraft without uppgradeing? I want to keep my mods for now. when i start in ofline mode it looks like my caracter's drunk
#2264 [14:13] <GreyVulpine> Got an example?
#2265 [14:13] <whitewolf007> they are made for the vanilla server
#2266 [14:13] <GreyVulpine> I don't believe so figaro
#2267 [14:13] <GreyVulpine> Mods aren't officially supported, they're not using the official API yet.
#2268 [14:14] <GreyVulpine> All mods need to be updated whenever MC updates
#2269 [14:14] <whitewolf007> i actually think i can make it work but the minecraftserver.class files are completely different
#2270 [14:14] <Morrolan> Figaro: With the new launcher you can choose not to update when starting Minecraft.
#2271 [14:14] <Nappz> Is bukkit just made to hold us over until an official modding api is available?
#2272 [14:14] <figaro> that sucks but thanks grey. don't want to stop playing till the mood comunity is back on track. got any tips?
#2273 [14:15] <Morrolan> Nappz: Nope.
#2274 [14:15] <Nappz> Then what will be its purpose after the official API is out?
#2275 [14:15] <Morrolan> Bukkit is a server mod, and will stay like it is ever after the API is released I guess
#2276 [14:15] <whitewolf007> http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=256549&p=3611805#p3611805
#2277 [14:15] <figaro> morrolan. so I can update and keep mods or what does that mean?
#2278 [14:15] <McPlusPlus> "sdk mod's with bukkit - Minecraft Forums" at www.minecraftforum.net
#2279 [14:15] <Nappz> Right, but won't the modding API be for servers also?
#2280 [14:15] <whitewolf007> i decompiled the class files
#2281 [14:15] <Morrolan> Fiagro: No, but you can choose not to update.
#2282 [14:16] <Morrolan> Nappz: Might be, yes, but I don't know how much you'll be able to do with it.
#2283 [14:16] <whitewolf007> and I dont quite know what to do about making them work togeather
#2284 [14:16] <figaro> ok. that's good at least. so I can log in now without destroying everything I've built?
#2285 [14:17] <Morrolan> If you're using the new launcher you can choose to skip the update, yes.
#2286 [14:17] <figaro> how do I get the new launcher?
#2287 [14:17] <GreyVulpine> !client
#2288 [14:17] <Morrolan> The new launcher is the one with the login window on the bottom right and the updatefeed. Do you already have it?
#2289 [14:17] <figaro> nope.. don't have that one.
#2290 [14:18] <Morrolan> Then download it from where AuBot posted. :)
#2291 [14:18] <whitewolf007> So any one know where in bukkit it loads the items
#2292 [14:18] <whitewolf007> like all the blocks
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#2294 [14:18] <GreyVulpine> Sorry, not a lot of us are familiar with bukkit here, aside from lukegb.
#2295 [14:18] <GreyVulpine> Try #bukkit
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#2298 [14:19] <bud> http://mibpaste.com/XwOibo don't know if this gives light to anything or not :/
#2299 [14:19] <McPlusPlus> "Mibpaste.bin" at mibpaste.com
#2300 [14:19] <figaro> it still tries to update?
#2301 [14:20] <GreyVulpine> SP or SMP?
#2302 [14:20] <GreyVulpine> what in the.
#2303 [14:20] <bud> the pastebin is my debug screen for SMP
#2304 [14:20] <g> that's the FPS graph
#2305 [14:20] <GreyVulpine> Then something screwy with your network, that's.. not normal
#2306 [14:20] <g> it's perfectly normal
#2307 [14:20] <GreyVulpine> it is?
#2308 [14:20] <g> yes
#2309 [14:21] <g> he's just got high fps lag
#2310 [14:21] <GreyVulpine> I thought it was FPS for SP, but network traffic for SMP
#2311 [14:21] <g> that's all
#2312 [14:21] <g> nope, it's just fps
#2313 [14:21] <GreyVulpine> Ah, okay then, I stand corrected
#2314 [14:21] <g> :P
#2315 [14:21] <Morrolan> GreyVulpine: Changing the seed in the properties file didn't seem to change much, I don't get any visible borders (aka cliffs) or whatsoever. Seems it doesn't apply the new seed if the map already exists.
#2316 [14:21] <GreyVulpine> Good to know Morrolan.
#2317 [14:21] <bud> I will say I got another bug that started this time... the game stuck on going left direction and I could not change that, I couldn't walk because it kept me going left
#2318 [14:22] <Morrolan> Bud: Press the "left" key and release it again.
#2319 [14:22] <Morrolan> Should fix it.
#2320 [14:22] <GreyVulpine> Most likely, you had pressed and held left before going into a menu
#2321 [14:22] <bud> oooh kk
#2322 [14:22] <Morrolan> Happens if it recieves a KeyDown but never a KeyUp event I guess.
#2323 [14:22] <figaro> thanks for the help earlier. grey and morrolan. still can't make it work but still..
#2324 [14:22] <GreyVulpine> It registered the downpress, but not the up when you exited
#2325 [14:22] <GreyVulpine> Bleh, nice ninja
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#2327 [14:22] <Morrolan> ^^
#2328 [14:22] <bud> lol why does beta hate me sooo much? lol
#2329 [14:23] <GreyVulpine> Beta hates all of us from update to update
#2330 [14:23] <bud> LoL I can understand that, but if anyone has any kind of bug, I have it too, got em all rofl
#2331 [14:27] <GreyVulpine> If it's any consolation at all, some people are still unable to launch minecraft due to the *nix+fglrx+ati card issue, that's been going on for a few months. Others can't launch minecraft because their system sucks and they don't want to spend money to upgrade. Others experience issues with inferior NICs, so they time out, or disconnect upon getting into or hosting a multiplayer server
#2332 [14:29] <bud> I do feel a bit better, on my side, feel bad for them, know how they feel, but ya, at least I can go into multi and walk around for five minutes
#2333 [14:29] <GreyVulpine> Not to mention the many people that get the black screen of death issue, that I still don't have a solution for, and that's been there since before I even got here
#2334 [14:29] <GreyVulpine> Still pisses me off a little bit that I can't help those people.
#2335 [14:29] <g> yeah that's an annoying bug
#2336 [14:29] <bud> used to happen to me some
#2337 [14:29] <g> I have a really high-end machine and MC still fricking dies
#2338 [14:30] <bud> don't know if what I did helped but it may :/
#2339 [14:30] <bud> it helped me
#2340 [14:30] <g> http://i.imgur.com/Sb1we.png
#2341 [14:30] <g> seewhatimean
#2342 [14:30] <GreyVulpine> I didn't have it, until I got onto the weekend of minecraft server, with its few dozen people...
#2343 [14:30] <GreyVulpine> Then bam, black screen once minecraft reached a gig of ram used
#2344 [14:30] <g> Agreed, I only get it in SMP
#2345 [14:31] <g> orly
#2346 [14:31] <GreyVulpine> No idea why
#2347 [14:31] <g> interesting
#2348 [14:31] <g> it only allows itself a percentage of your ram
#2349 [14:31] <g> I'm surprised Notch doesn't clean it
#2350 [14:31] <GreyVulpine> It's happened on a newly bought win7 machine.
#2351 [14:31] <GreyVulpine> as well as older vista and xp rigs
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#2353 [14:32] <raskull> GreyVulpine: I'm running win7 64 bit, and I fixed my black screen issue yesterday by switching to java 64 bit
#2354 [14:32] <GreyVulpine> Just going to chalk it up to unoptimized code for now, but it's just strange..
#2355 [14:32] <g> raskull: Hm, I didn't think of that..
#2356 [14:32] <GreyVulpine> I'm running both 64 and 32bit java on this one, the win7 rig
#2357 [14:32] <bokaholic> What does one do with a sponge/
#2358 [14:32] <bokaholic> ?
#2359 [14:32] <GreyVulpine> Sponges are a classic thing
#2360 [14:32] <Morrolan> Bokaholic: It erases water.
#2361 [14:32] <g> wait
#2362 [14:32] <GreyVulpine> prevents flooding
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#2364 [14:32] <g> I'm using 64 bit
#2365 [14:32] <Morrolan> Only in classic though.
#2366 [14:32] <bokaholic> Oh xD
#2367 [14:32] <GreyVulpine> They do nothing in beta
#2368 [14:33] <raskull> yeah it's probably not a perfect fix, but it worked for mine anyway
#2369 [14:33] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, there's just no one solution for the black screen thing
#2370 [14:34] <GreyVulpine> I've seen updated video drivers work for a few people, disabling some option or another, disabling window's aero theme, disabling some option in *nix...
#2371 [14:34] <GreyVulpine> It's just across the board with it, that it's so hard to diagnose
#2372 [14:34] <raskull> some say the fig distance will help releive it, but that didn't change anything for me
#2373 [14:35] <pierpaf> it did fix it for me
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#2377 [14:42] <bud> guess its just hard to continuously release new content, without expecting a bug to come in somewhere
#2378 [14:42] <g> GreyVulpine: OK, new version of the bot is ready
#2379 [14:42] <g> I'll upload it and give you the new password
#2380 [14:42] <g> ~quit
#2381 [14:43] <g> blargh
#2382 [14:43] <g> ~quit
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#2384 [14:43] <McPlusPlus> [NotchBlog] The weirdest night of my life! (Anonymous) - Wed, 30 Mar 2011 15:36:28 +0200
#2385 [14:44] <McPlusPlus> [MC-Updates] Minecraft Beta 1.4 (Anonymous) - Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:14:33 -0400
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#2387 [14:44] <g> alright
#2388 [14:44] <g> ~stfu
#2389 [14:44] <g> http://google.com
#2390 [14:44] <g> ~speak
#2391 [14:44] <g> http://google.com
#2392 [14:44] <McPlusPlus> "Google" at google.com
#2393 [14:44] <g> :D
#2394 [14:44] <GreyVulpine> Got it set up with a user list, or just checking @?
#2395 [14:44] <g> Neither
#2396 [14:45] <g> log in with a password in a query
#2397 [14:45] <GreyVulpine> Ah, okay
#2398 [14:45] <g> which I'm about to query you
#2399 [14:45] <g> blargh
#2400 [14:45] <g> sent it to your bot by mistake
#2401 [14:45] <g> there
#2402 [14:45] <GreyVulpine> Hah, yeah, my bot drops all queries
#2403 [14:45] <g> :P
#2404 [14:45] <GreyVulpine> Thanks
#2405 [14:45] <g> use ~help for info on the crap it can do when you log in
#2406 [14:46] <GreyVulpine> I used to have it msg back with "This is a bot, not programmed to speak..." sorta thing
#2407 [14:46] <GreyVulpine> Until people abused it to flood it off the network
#2408 [14:46] <g> Tch, that's not RFC :P
#2409 [14:46] <g> yeah, this bot has flood protection
#2410 [14:46] <g> because..
#2411 [14:46] * g gets screenshot
#2411 [14:46] <GreyVulpine> But I was young and stupid back then.
#2412 [14:46] <g> http://i.imgur.com/LkPh3.png
#2413 [14:46] <g> that's why
#2414 [14:46] <g> :P
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#2416 [14:46] <g> o\
#2417 [14:47] <azazel> hello
#2418 [14:47] <g> Why does this bot insult my typing style :P
#2419 [14:47] <GreyVulpine> Hey Kealper, you need to reconfigure AuBot's flood thingy to set +q instead of +b, and perhaps look into upping the limit one more
#2420 [14:47] <g> GreyBot: +b orks
#2421 [14:47] <g> works
#2422 [14:47] <GreyVulpine> It.. does?
#2423 [14:47] <g> but only for people who aren't voiced
#2424 [14:47] <azazel> need some help if possible...
#2425 [14:47] <g> azazel: Well, ask :P
#2426 [14:47] <GreyVulpine> azazel - Just tell us what your problem is
#2427 [14:47] <GreyVulpine> One of us will hop in to assist
#2428 [14:48] * GreyVulpine pushes g forward
#2428 [14:48] <azazel> hmm... trying to get Builder bot to work...but I run into problems last 5h
#2429 [14:49] <g> hmm?
#2430 [14:49] <g> Builderbot is an ingame bot isn't it?
#2431 [14:49] <azazel> last problem I had is I cannot connect to my server through my client... I make a classic server bot logs in and when I try to log in through client it freezes and crashes
#2432 [14:49] <azazel> yes
#2433 [14:49] <g> Well
#2434 [14:49] <g> you need to ask support for it from whoever created it
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#2436 [14:49] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, yeah... Not many of us are familiar with classic mods here
#2437 [14:50] <g> GreyVulpine: It's not a mod but yeah, pretty much
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#2439 [14:50] <drezi> http://www.minecraft.net/store/loot.jsp ???
#2440 [14:50] <McPlusPlus> "Minecraft" at www.minecraft.net
#2441 [14:50] <drezi> lol
#2442 [14:51] <drezi> what is it
#2443 [14:51] <GreyVulpine> Third-party alterations to the official server software, to utilize it in a manner that isn't covered in what is generally used for
#2444 [14:51] <GreyVulpine> it is*
#2445 [14:51] <bud> omg
#2446 [14:51] <bud> Greyvulpine Greyvulpine
#2447 [14:51] <GreyVulpine> Yes?
#2448 [14:51] <drezi> what is the steve crate
#2449 [14:51] <bud> I figured out the answer to the 1.3 bug
#2450 [14:51] <Morrolan> Drezi: It's a joke. ;)
#2451 [14:51] <GreyVulpine> ...
#2452 [14:51] <bud> something that all us who experience it may have in common
#2453 [14:51] <GreyVulpine> Which one?
#2454 [14:52] <azazel> any other mod for building fast and easy? I wanna try making something but the whole placing blocks thing gets boring after an hour or two... I mean it's not survival so...
#2455 [14:52] <drezi> i want it so bad
#2456 [14:52] <drezi> :/
#2457 [14:52] <Morrolan> ^^
#2458 [14:52] <bud> chat lag chunk errors spawn problems and disconnect, and not being able to harvest anything
#2459 [14:52] <GreyVulpine> Right..
#2460 [14:52] <bud> I did one thing
#2461 [14:52] <bud> and it fixed instantly
#2462 [14:52] <Morrolan> Just tell us. ^^
#2463 [14:52] <bud> something you mentioned, for the blackscreen thing
#2464 [14:52] <Morrolan> Someone PLEASE slap him. :p
#2465 [14:52] <azazel> and world edit doesn't help it either :)
#2466 [14:52] * GreyVulpine slaps bud
#2466 [14:52] <bud> I checked my java, noticed I had 32 bit java installed
#2467 [14:53] <bud> I went to google, and found the 64 bit java download
#2468 [14:53] <g> I already have 64 bit java
#2469 [14:53] <bud> replaced my java and it works fine
#2470 [14:53] <g> and I still get blackscreens
#2471 [14:53] <g> :P
#2472 [14:53] <GreyVulpine> I have 64 bit java
#2473 [14:53] <bud> no doesn't fix the black screen
#2474 [14:53] <Morrolan> Don't tell me that all these guys are using a 64 bit OS?
#2475 [14:53] <GreyVulpine> 64 and 32 bit java are mutually exclusive, they can be installed alongsides each other
#2476 [14:53] <g> Most of us are yes
#2477 [14:53] <bud> only chat lag, chunk errors, disconnects, not being able to harvest
#2478 [14:54] <bud> I am good now :) You guys are geniuses
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#2480 [14:54] <GreyVulpine> Erm, okay..?
#2481 [14:54] <Morrolan> g: All the random people who have this error too I meant. Well, it might be, but I doubt it somehow. :/
#2482 [14:54] <g> Morrolan: http://i.imgur.com/Sb1we.png
#2483 [14:54] <g> well
#2484 [14:54] <g> 32 bit is starting to be phased out
#2485 [14:54] <g> so
#2486 [14:54] <Morrolan> Yea, could be.
#2487 [14:54] <semmel> hi there
#2488 [14:54] <Morrolan> Hey Semmel.
#2489 [14:54] <semmel> so, I have a problem with my minecraft account. It says I'm not a premium user even though I already paid, I still have the paypal receipt
#2490 [14:55] <drezi> anyone wanna play on my server?
#2491 [14:55] <drezi> :D
#2492 [14:55] <Morrolan> When did you pay?
#2493 [14:55] <semmel> a few months ago
#2494 [14:55] <drezi> and try to open this dang steve crate
#2495 [14:55] <drezi> that i wanna open
#2496 [14:55] <GreyVulpine> Oh geez.
#2497 [14:55] <drezi> :/
#2498 [14:55] <DopeGhoti> semmel: email payment@mojang.com with your Paypal payment confirmation information and an explanation
#2499 [14:55] <GreyVulpine> ^
#2500 [14:55] <Morrolan> Drezi: You can't open it.
#2501 [14:55] <drezi> we can try
#2502 [14:55] <drezi> :D
#2503 [14:55] <Morrolan> ^^
#2504 [14:55] <semmel> I already did DopeGhoti
#2505 [14:55] <semmel> about two weeks ago
#2506 [14:55] <semmel> no answer yet
#2507 [14:56] <semmel> does it usually take that long?
#2508 [14:56] <Morrolan> Nope. I think they're pretty fast normally.
#2509 [14:56] <GreyVulpine> Try sending another email
#2510 [14:56] <GreyVulpine> Same address, but CC daniel@mojang
#2511 [14:57] <semmel> alright, I'll try that, thanks
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#2513 [14:57] <DreadLindwyrm> Wait - have you tried the mineraft store?
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#2515 [14:57] <DreadLindwyrm> For the crate thing I mean
#2516 [15:00] <bud> what is the java path line?
#2517 [15:00] <bud> trying to help a friend make a javapath
#2518 [15:00] <bud> I know how to do it, just need the path itself to enter in the box
#2519 [15:01] <GreyVulpine> bud - What OS?
#2520 [15:01] <bud> win 7
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#2522 [15:01] <bud> I have him in environment variables for account
#2523 [15:02] <GreyVulpine> Okay, have him go to his control panel, look for the java app, then the java tab. Click on the view button
#2524 [15:02] <bud> and I had him name it PATH
#2525 [15:02] <GreyVulpine> The java path will be in the path column there
#2526 [15:02] <bud> ok sec
#2527 [15:02] <GreyVulpine> Have him remove the javaw.exe from the end, then plug it in the PATH of EV
#2528 [15:02] <semmel> my payment confirmation's in german. hope that'll do.
#2529 [15:02] <bud> kk got that, is that all he needs to do?
#2530 [15:03] <GreyVulpine> Yup
#2531 [15:03] <Morrolan> Semmel: As long as the transaction id isn't german it won't matter. :p
#2532 [15:03] <bud> cool, will have him set up in a jif XD
#2533 [15:03] <GreyVulpine> Have him use "java -version" in the command prompt to confirm
#2534 [15:03] <bud> thanks
#2535 [15:03] <bud> ah kk
#2536 [15:04] <semmel> that's what I figured. ^^
#2537 [15:04] * bud Pays the usual tech support fees, and throws in a HUGE tip for Greyvulpine for being soooo awesome :D
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#2539 [15:18] <turtlexiv> greetings, looking for some help with a redstone door circuit. Doing the double door circuit on the wiki page for Doors.
#2540 [15:18] <GreyVulpine> Alright, what's the problem?
#2541 [15:18] <turtlexiv> It will work a couple of times, and then the torch goes out and stays out permanently
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#2543 [15:19] <turtlexiv> circuit won't work again until I take it apart completely and rebuild from scratch
#2544 [15:19] <GreyVulpine> Are you flicking it so rapidly that it burns out?
#2545 [15:19] <turtlexiv> I don't think so, just walking over it like normal
#2546 [15:19] <VoxelHead> I wish they didn't have to go =[
#2547 [15:20] <turtlexiv> It's doesn't seem to be the burn-out described in the wiki, because it stays off for good
#2548 [15:20] <GreyVulpine> There's been a redstone bug since 1.3, with redstone burning out.
#2549 [15:20] <GreyVulpine> Is this on an SMP server?
#2550 [15:20] <turtlexiv> Yep.
#2551 [15:21] <GreyVulpine> Your server?
#2552 [15:21] <turtlexiv> yes
#2553 [15:21] <GreyVulpine> Could you perhaps do a little test, and restart it? See if it comes back?
#2554 [15:21] <turtlexiv> sure thing, 1s ec
#2555 [15:21] <GreyVulpine> If it doesn't for a little while, then comes back after an hour or so, it sounds like the redstone bug from 1.3 hasn't been fixed in 1.4
#2556 [15:23] <turtlexiv> torch re-lit after server re-start
#2557 [15:24] <GreyVulpine> Okay, try out the circuit right now, see if it burns out
#2558 [15:25] <turtlexiv> interestingly enough it doesn't seem to now
#2559 [15:25] <GreyVulpine> If the redstone circuit does burn out again down the line, but fixes itself after a server restart, it's the redstone bug
#2560 [15:26] <turtlexiv> kk
#2561 [15:26] <turtlexiv> does it fix permanently or just until the bug rears its ugly head again? :-P
#2562 [15:26] <turtlexiv> (permanently for that circuit I mean)
#2563 [15:26] <GreyVulpine> Looks like it hasn't been fixed in 1.4, it'll reoccur again in a little bit
#2564 [15:27] <turtlexiv> hmm, kk
#2565 [15:27] <turtlexiv> I'll keep an eye on it
#2566 [15:28] <bud> well I got five minutes bug free, and every ten, get five more :/ lol
#2567 [15:30] <turtlexiv> haha
#2568 [15:32] <bud> better than nothin lol
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#2571 [15:37] * VoxelHead is away: yo mamma
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#2573 [15:41] <aetherian> why 'ello then
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#2575 [15:49] <Neviklink> hi
#2576 [15:49] <Morrolan> hey Neviklinik
#2577 [15:49] <ItsCriminal> dows anyone have the minecraft logo?
#2578 [15:49] <ItsCriminal> *does
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#2580 [15:50] <Neviklink> you can porbably get it by opening the .jar file in winrar
#2581 [15:50] <Morrolan> Yea, it's in there.
#2582 [15:50] <ItsCriminal> yeah well i do that then now :D i just hoped someone has it ready to post
#2583 [15:50] <Mjiig> if your just after the words MINECRAFT, you can get it off the site, though it has a white background
#2584 [15:52] <Neviklink> can some one look at my server cause i have a swpn point issue
#2585 [15:52] <Neviklink> i can pm you the ip if you can help
#2586 [15:52] <ItsCriminal> no i have it now
#2587 [15:52] <ItsCriminal> thank you
#2588 [15:52] <Morrolan> What exactly is your issue? We might be able to solve it over irc.
#2589 [15:53] <Morrolan> ItsCriminal: You're welcome. :)
#2590 [15:53] <Neviklink> well the sapwn point was by our house on the beach
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#2592 [15:53] <Neviklink> now when i slept in the bed after the update the sapw n point moved over the water
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#2594 [15:54] <Neviklink> i tohught maybe we changed the area on which the sapwn was
#2595 [15:54] <Nick_J1392> can i get some help?
#2596 [15:54] <Neviklink> then i slept in ti a couple of mre times and now my spwn point is like a 2 minute hike away
#2597 [15:54] <DavBomb> anyone got a server that id be able to join? im getting tired of playing on my own lol
#2598 [15:54] <Neviklink> mine
#2599 [15:54] <GreyVulpine> ??> DavBomb smp/servers
#2600 [15:54] <VoxelHead> DavBomb: (smp/servers) There currently is no master list of all SMP servers. Fan-made indexes include http://www.mcserverlist.net/ - http://www.reddit.com/r/mcservers - http://minecraftservers.net/ - http://minecraft.dk/mcserverlist/
#2601 [15:54] <VoxelHead> DavBomb: (smp/servers) You can also find a list at the MC forums at http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewforum.php?f=1025. Also, try the #smp channel.
#2602 [15:55] <Nick_J1392> can somebody help me?
#2603 [15:55] <GreyVulpine> With?
#2604 [15:55] <Morrolan> Neviklink: That's rather strange. I guess it's a bug. :/
#2605 [15:55] <Nick_J1392> a mod problem
#2606 [15:55] <Neviklink> is there a sever mod theat i can use to set the spawn point?
#2607 [15:55] <Morrolan> You could reset your spawnpoint by deleting the player.dat file. You'd loose your inventory though. :/
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#2609 [15:55] <DavBomb> nevi where you responding to my question?
#2610 [15:56] <Neviklink> yes
#2611 [15:56] <Neviklink> b4 i do
#2612 [15:56] <GreyVulpine> DavBomb - Voxel was
#2613 [15:56] <Nick_J1392> i install the minimap mod (zan's) and my character appears to the left of my screen (f5 button shows it best), any ideas wat to do?
#2614 [15:56] <Neviklink> do you lag alot
#2615 [15:56] <DavBomb> nope
#2616 [15:56] <GreyVulpine> We don't really officially support mods here.
#2617 [15:56] <Morrolan> Neviklin: the problem is that beds only move your personal spawnpoint and not the general one. Plugins are only able to set the general spaw point I think.
#2618 [15:56] <GreyVulpine> Was the minimap mod updated for 1.4?
#2619 [15:56] <Nick_J1392> were can i ask about mod help then?
#2620 [15:56] <Nick_J1392> im running beta 1.3
#2621 [15:56] <GreyVulpine> Ah
#2622 [15:56] <Neviklink> anthere is a minimap?
#2623 [15:56] <Morrolan> Nick: I suggest in the thread of the mod.
#2624 [15:56] <DavBomb> Nevi are you rnning 1.4?
#2625 [15:57] <Neviklink> si
#2626 [15:57] <Nick_J1392> yh i looked, re-downloaded the mod, still does it, re-downloaded 1.3, still does it :S
#2627 [15:58] <Morrolan> Nick: Yeah, just ask for help there. I guess the creator of that map will be better suited to help you.
#2628 [15:58] <Neviklink> how do you whisper
#2629 [15:58] <Nick_J1392> ok
#2630 [15:58] <DavBomb> nevi i pm'ed you
#2631 [15:58] <Morrolan> use /msg
#2632 [15:58] <Neviklink> i am not suing a mpd
#2633 [15:59] <Neviklink> mod
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#2635 [16:00] <Kealper> GreyVulpine: back, is +q mute?
#2636 [16:01] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#2637 [16:01] <Kealper> awesome, gimme a sec to change it
#2638 [16:01] * GreyVulpine pokes Kealper with /raw help cmode
#2638 [16:01] <ItsCriminal> i disabled RAW on my server ^^^
#2639 [16:01] <raskull> woot I got a new toy today! http://raskull.com/misc/gsxr750k10.jpg :P
#2640 [16:01] <Neviklink> wahts a help cmode
#2641 [16:02] <Kealper> you can't disable /raw
#2642 [16:02] <ItsCriminal> my toy has 4wheels
#2643 [16:02] <ItsCriminal> ^^
#2644 [16:02] <Morrolan> Just a command Neviklink.
#2645 [16:02] * codemaster [codemaster@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#2646 [16:02] <raskull> ItsCriminal: I'm jealous of your double wheel power :P
#2647 [16:02] <ItsCriminal> haha
#2648 [16:02] <ItsCriminal> its just a Yamaha Raptor 700R "09
#2649 [16:02] <codemaster> hello, can anyone try to join this test server for just a moment, I need to verify that it functions 192.168.1.64
#2650 [16:03] <GreyVulpine> That won't work
#2651 [16:03] <Kealper> that is your internal ip :P
#2652 [16:03] <GreyVulpine> That's a private internal IP
#2653 [16:03] <Kealper> codemaster: type !check
#2654 [16:03] <raskull> ah nice, I love offroading too, my main vehicle is a lifted jeep
#2655 [16:03] <Kealper> in here
#2656 [16:03] <ItsCriminal> raskull :D
#2657 [16:03] <codemaster> oh so its suppose to be the external one`?
#2658 [16:03] <GreyVulpine> Yes codemaster
#2659 [16:03] <Kealper> codemaster: indeed
#2660 [16:03] <Morrolan> Yep
#2661 [16:03] <codemaster> oh snap, thanks
#2662 [16:03] <ItsCriminal> then i think everyone joins :D
#2663 [16:04] <Morrolan> Would be a nice function for VoxelHead: Slapping anyone who's posting an internal ip. ^^
#2664 [16:04] <ItsCriminal> haha :D
#2665 [16:04] <GreyVulpine> Connect to 255.255.255.255
#2666 [16:04] <GreyVulpine> Best server ever
#2667 [16:04] <Kealper> GreyVulpine: any other settings you'd like me to change before i compile this module?
#2668 [16:04] <ItsCriminal> ^^
#2669 [16:04] <GreyVulpine> Um
#2670 [16:04] <GreyVulpine> What could you tweak with the flood protect?
#2671 [16:05] <Kealper> uhh....lots of things lol
#2672 [16:05] <GreyVulpine> what is it set to now, and how much could you tweak it by?
#2673 [16:05] <Kealper> it's at 3 messages/2000ms
#2674 [16:06] <Kealper> and it's compiled as x64, so that can be some pretty big maxes lol
#2675 [16:06] <GreyVulpine> How do you feel about increasing it by 1?
#2676 [16:06] <bud> kealper I got my beta somewhat fixed, everything still lags, but not half as bad, and I can use gameplay, three things I did, I gave adm priviledges to java, gave priority to java, and got the right java for my computer
#2677 [16:06] <Kealper> 3 messages/3000ms?
#2678 [16:06] <Kealper> or 4 messages/200ms?
#2679 [16:06] <Kealper> 2000*
#2680 [16:06] <GreyVulpine> 4/2k?
#2681 [16:06] <Kealper> ok
#2682 [16:07] <bud> well later guys :)
#2683 [16:07] <Kealper> bud: so, it's actually playable atlesat? lol
#2684 [16:07] * bud waves
#2684 [16:07] * Kealper waves
#2684 [16:07] <bud> ooh
#2685 [16:07] <bud> ya it is
#2686 [16:07] <bud> I have some stuff now in SMP
#2687 [16:07] <bud> its playable
#2688 [16:07] * ItsCriminal tries to wave and fails
#2688 [16:07] <bud> but sometimes takes five minutes to catch up
#2689 [16:07] <bud> lol
#2690 [16:07] <Kealper> /wave ftw
#2691 [16:08] <ItsCriminal> :P
#2692 [16:08] <bud> like I will break a tree, hover over it to get wood
#2693 [16:08] <bud> and five minutes later
#2694 [16:08] <Kealper> O.o
#2695 [16:08] <bud> it finally comes to min inventory lol
#2696 [16:08] <ItsCriminal> thats a big lag ^^
#2697 [16:09] * Toxic-Avenger [Toxic-Avenger@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#2698 [16:09] <Kealper> GreyVulpine: since /raw isn't a command in irssi... how does +q work? does it take a hostmask or nick?
#2699 [16:09] <bud> its better than an epic lag like I have been getting... I'll take anything lol
#2700 [16:09] <GreyVulpine> cmode +q - Quiet. Prevents a user from sending to the channel or changing
#2701 [16:09] <GreyVulpine> cmode nick, based on a nick!ident@host match.
#2702 [16:09] <GreyVulpine> cmode PARAMS: /mode #channel +q nick!user@host
#2703 [16:09] <Kealper> ok, just making sure i didn't have to change the hostmask thing
#2704 [16:10] <aetherian> hey kealper, how do you do ghosting in irssi?
#2705 [16:10] <Kealper> ghosting?
#2706 [16:10] <aetherian> whatever the name is
#2707 [16:10] <GreyVulpine> aetherian - Same as any other, it's still /msg nickserv ghost.. whatever
#2708 [16:10] <aetherian> ah
#2709 [16:10] <Kealper> or if you have settings enabled in irssi to do so, /ns ghost nick
#2710 [16:10] <GreyVulpine> [04:10.19pm] *NickServ* Example:
#2711 [16:10] <GreyVulpine> [04:10.19pm] *NickServ* /msg NickServ GHOST foo bar
#2712 [16:10] <Kealper> or if you really wanted to, you could do /ghost nick
#2713 [16:10] <bud> now, I need a dang wolf rofl, and they won't come to me...
#2714 [16:11] <Kealper> bud: yeah, i can't find any either :/
#2715 [16:11] <Simenos> Is it you please could you give me IP of channels multiplayer
#2716 [16:11] <bud> both my friends on server each have two :/
#2717 [16:11] <bud> they say check in wooded areas
#2718 [16:11] <Kealper> Simenos: uhm....what? sorry lol
#2719 [16:11] * DreadLindwyrm [DreadLindwyrm@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#2720 [16:11] <GreyVulpine> ??> Simenos smp/servers
#2721 [16:11] <VoxelHead> Simenos: (smp/servers) There currently is no master list of all SMP servers. Fan-made indexes include http://www.mcserverlist.net/ - http://www.reddit.com/r/mcservers - http://minecraftservers.net/ - http://minecraft.dk/mcserverlist/
#2722 [16:11] <VoxelHead> Simenos: (smp/servers) You can also find a list at the MC forums at http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewforum.php?f=1025. Also, try the #smp channel.
#2723 [16:12] <Simenos> Ty =)
#2724 [16:12] * bud waves for reelz this time, bud gotz a date with a wolf and a bone rofl
#2724 [16:12] <Kealper> !reload mod_nospam
#2725 [16:12] <GreyVulpine> Thanks Kealper.
#2726 [16:13] * Kealper hacks into thoatt's account to test muting
#2726 [16:13] <Kealper> that was simple
#2727 [16:13] <Kealper> no use, aubot ignores GreyBot
#2728 [16:13] <GreyBot> ...
#2729 [16:13] <GreyBot> really?
#2730 [16:13] <GreyBot> test
#2731 [16:13] <GreyBot> test
#2732 [16:13] <GreyBot> test
#2733 [16:13] <GreyBot> test
#2734 [16:13] <GreyBot> test
#2735 [16:13] <GreyBot> test
#2736 [16:13] <GreyBot> Bah!
#2737 [16:14] <Thoatt|Sleep> MUAHAHAHA
#2738 [16:14] <Thoatt|Sleep> asdf
#2739 [16:14] <Thoatt|Sleep> asdf
#2740 [16:14] <Thoatt|Sleep> asdf
#2741 [16:14] <Thoatt|Sleep> asdf
#2742 [16:14] <Thoatt|Sleep> asdf
#2743 [16:15] <Thoatt|Sleep> rawr?
#2744 [16:15] <Thoatt|Sleep> awesome
#2745 [16:15] <aetherian> the spam
#2746 [16:15] <aetherian> aaahhhhh
#2747 [16:15] * Kealper coughs
#2747 [16:15] * GreyVulpine spams aetherian
#2747 [16:15] <Kealper> ok....anywho
#2748 [16:16] <aetherian> GreyVulpine: is that supposed to be some sort of double entendre?
#2749 [16:17] * VoxelHead [VoxelHead@notlogged] has left #minecrafthelp
#2750 [16:17] <aetherian> bye vox
#2751 [16:18] * VoxelHead [VoxelHead@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#2752 [16:19] <aetherian> kealper, your shoe's untied
#2753 [16:19] * AG_Scott trips kealper and blames it on the shoe strings.
#2753 [16:20] <BarryCarlyon> ha
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#2755 [16:20] <aetherian> man, april fools is so much easier in real life
#2756 [16:21] <relsqui> heh
#2757 [16:21] <relsqui> oh?
#2758 [16:21] <VoxelHead> :)
#2759 [16:21] <BarryCarlyon> TRAP!
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#2761 [16:24] <Kealper> hmm...should i stream me getting owned on techno music in audiosurf or not?
#2762 [16:24] <aetherian> I choose three
#2763 [16:25] <Kealper> i'll take that as a no
#2764 [16:25] * Kealper goes back to the game
#2764 [16:25] <Stoolbend> Hi, Wonder if anyone can help me. Ive just setup all the portforwarding so it works correctly for minecraft server 1.4. But every time me or my freind connects, it says logging in for ages, then proceeds to not let any more connections into the server
#2765 [16:26] <aetherian> that's fun, i'n't it
#2766 [16:26] <Neviklink> i fixed my spwn point problem by removing the bed
#2767 [16:26] <aetherian> ogood
#2768 [16:27] <Stoolbend> any ideas?
#2769 [16:27] * tortera9 [tortera9@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#2770 [16:27] <GreyVulpine> Stoolbend - Does it let you or your friend in?
#2771 [16:27] <tortera9> does any1 know how to make a multiplayer server
#2772 [16:28] <Stoolbend> No
#2773 [16:28] <GreyVulpine> tortera9 - Classic or beta?
#2774 [16:28] <tortera9> beta
#2775 [16:28] <GreyVulpine> tortera9 - The server file is at:
#2776 [16:28] <GreyVulpine> !server
#2777 [16:28] <GreyVulpine> You download that, then launch it, and port forward as necessarily
#2778 [16:28] <tortera9> thats not the problem
#2779 [16:28] <GreyVulpine> necessary*
#2780 [16:28] <GreyVulpine> What is?
#2781 [16:28] <tortera9> how do u port forward
#2782 [16:28] <GreyVulpine> Depends on what router you have
#2783 [16:29] <tortera9> i have a motorola SB5101
#2784 [16:29] <GreyVulpine> Stoolbend - Are you running the server yourself? At home?
#2785 [16:29] <GreyVulpine> tortera9 - Can we take this to PMs?
#2786 [16:30] <tortera9> yeah sure
#2787 [16:30] <Stoolbend> At home on a dedicated server
#2788 [16:30] <GreyVulpine> Okay, how were you connecting to your server?
#2789 [16:30] <GreyVulpine> With what IP were you using?
#2790 [16:30] <Stoolbend> Both via WAN and LAN doesnt work
#2791 [16:30] <Stoolbend> just kills the NIC
#2792 [16:30] <Stoolbend> Tried both internal IP and External IP
#2793 [16:30] <GreyVulpine> Kills the NIC completely? all network traffic?
#2794 [16:30] <Stoolbend> Everything is filtered correctly
#2795 [16:30] <Stoolbend> Yeah
#2796 [16:31] <Stoolbend> trying to find driver from SiS's website
#2797 [16:31] <GreyVulpine> It's a known issue unforutunately.
#2798 [16:31] <Stoolbend> for a reinstall
#2799 [16:31] <GreyVulpine> Stoolbend - If you look at:
#2800 [16:31] <GreyVulpine> http://getsatisfaction.com/mojang/topics/smp_server_destabilizes_internet_connection
#2801 [16:31] <McPlusPlus> "Get Satisfaction - People Powered Customer Service" at getsatisfaction.com
#2802 [16:31] <GreyVulpine> http://getsatisfaction.com/mojang/topics/internet_crashes_after_about_5_minutes_connected_to_a_smp_server
#2803 [16:31] <McPlusPlus> "Get Satisfaction - People Powered Customer Service" at getsatisfaction.com
#2804 [16:32] <GreyVulpine> You'll see others having the same issue
#2805 [16:32] <Stoolbend> ok cheers
#2806 [16:32] <GreyVulpine> Unforunately, the only solutions right now, is to look for a new NIC, at hosting it elsewhere, or waiting for Mojang to fix this issue
#2807 [16:32] * SkiingPenguins [SkiingPenguins@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#2808 [16:33] <aetherian> toodaloo, guys
#2809 [16:33] * GreyVulpine waves
#2809 [16:34] <aetherian> o/ o| o/
#2810 [16:34] * aetherian says bye to AuBot
#2810 [16:34] * aetherian says bye to vox
#2810 [16:34] * VoxelHead loves it
#2810 [16:34] * lyude [lyude@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#2811 [16:34] <aetherian> ewww
#2812 [16:34] <lyude> no u :c
#2813 [16:34] <aetherian> err
#2814 [16:34] <SkiingPenguins> for april fools day i used the hosts file to reroute facebook.com to an http server showing April Fools, on my sister's computer :D
#2815 [16:35] <aetherian> nice
#2816 [16:35] <Kealper> lol
#2817 [16:35] <SkiingPenguins> it is sad that she has yet to get on facebook today though :/
#2818 [16:37] * VoxelHead is away: intimate time with my blueberry
#2818 [16:37] <SkiingPenguins> WTF how do i have an email dated "Monday 4/4"
#2819 [16:38] <DreadLindwyrm> Spam
#2820 [16:40] <Stoolbend> hmm
#2821 [16:40] <Stoolbend> ok
#2822 [16:40] <Stoolbend> got no PCI space for a new NIC
#2823 [16:40] <Stoolbend> Oh well :(
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#2826 [16:56] <turtlexiv> are portals not working in SMP?
#2827 [16:56] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#2828 [16:56] <GreyVulpine> They haven't been fully implemented since portals were put in
#2829 [16:56] <turtlexiv> ahh, kk
#2830 [16:57] <turtlexiv> was standing in it and not teleporting :)
#2831 [17:00] <g> Kealper: You should get DerpServ in here
#2832 [17:00] <g> :P
#2833 [17:00] <Kealper> derpserv? lol
#2834 [17:00] <g> /bs assign #minecrafthelp DerpServ
#2835 [17:00] <g> if you have access
#2836 [17:00] <Kealper> oh, a botserv thing lol
#2837 [17:00] <g> yeah
#2838 [17:00] <g> :P
#2839 [17:00] <g> it's chanserv
#2840 [17:00] <g> xd
#2841 [17:00] <BarryCarlyon> Derp!
#2842 [17:00] <g> xD*
#2843 [17:00] <Kealper> bleh ,those are usually lol
#2844 [17:00] <BarryCarlyon> HERP A DERP!
#2845 [17:01] <Kealper> usually?
#2846 [17:01] <g> it's nice to see them
#2847 [17:01] <g> :P
#2848 [17:01] <Kealper> s/usually/useless/
#2849 [17:01] <g> >join
#2850 [17:01] <g> >Derpserv set mode +o person
#2851 [17:01] <g> :P
#2852 [17:02] <Kealper> i think only channel owners can assign a botserv bot
#2853 [17:02] <g> maybe successors can do it
#2854 [17:02] * g pokes GreyVulpine
#2854 [17:03] <Kealper> wow this channel was only registered since july 3rd, 2010?
#2855 [17:04] <Kealper> i've been in here for almost the life of the channel then o.o
#2856 [17:04] <g> xD
#2857 [17:05] <GreyVulpine> Bwah?
#2858 [17:05] <GreyVulpine> What's Derpserv?
#2859 [17:05] <GreyVulpine> And do we really need another bot in here?
#2860 [17:05] <g> it's ChanServ
#2861 [17:05] <g> just in the channel
#2862 [17:05] <g> lol
#2863 [17:06] <g> lets you use cs with !commands
#2864 [17:06] <Kealper> yeah, it's rather stupid, it's an aliased chanserv that isn't hidden lol
#2865 [17:06] <GreyVulpine> Lemme rephrase. What does Derpserv do?
#2866 [17:06] <g> Everything that chanserv does
#2867 [17:06] <g> plus the stuff that gameserv does
#2868 [17:06] <mitpatterson> ok, so my pet wolf was following me and all of sudden he fell in some lava, only thing, the lave was sorrunded on all sides by glass
#2869 [17:06] <g> and I think you can have it kick for spam and whatever
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#2871 [17:07] <Kealper> we already have bots that do that though :/
#2872 [17:07] <g> yes, and they mostly suck :P
#2873 [17:07] <Kealper> :<
#2874 [17:07] <g> as we saw yesterday
#2875 [17:07] <Kealper> that's just that one bot that is friggin crazy
#2876 [17:07] <g> lol
#2877 [17:07] <g> and AuBot which keeps muting me
#2878 [17:07] <g> cause I type in fragmented lines
#2879 [17:07] <g> like that
#2880 [17:08] <Kealper> it shouldn't do it anymore, the limit was raised to 4 messages/2 sec
#2881 [17:08] <g> alright :P
#2882 [17:08] <Kealper> 3/2 sec was getting lots of false positives
#2883 [17:08] <mitpatterson> so any ideas why my pet wolf did that? is a glitch?(i'm playing single player)
#2884 [17:08] <Kealper> mitpatterson: what?
#2885 [17:08] <Kealper> OH
#2886 [17:08] <mitpatterson> my pet wolf burned up in lava, only thing is the lava had glass on all sides
#2887 [17:09] <Kealper> had to read that again to comprehend it
#2888 [17:09] <mitpatterson> lol
#2889 [17:09] <Kealper> sounds like a bug to me :/
#2890 [17:09] <mitpatterson> do i report it somewhere?
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#2892 [17:09] <GreyVulpine> That's just the southwest rule with lava
#2893 [17:10] <Kealper> oh...that could have been it...i guess i'm imagining a different setup than what you might have lol
#2894 [17:10] <GreyVulpine> On certain corners of blocks encasing lava, you'll still get burned on certain corners
#2895 [17:10] <mitpatterson> thing is thought there is only one block of lave, and a LOT of glass around it
#2896 [17:10] <Kealper> could you give a screenshot?
#2897 [17:10] <GreyVulpine> It's a bug that's associated with the southwest rule, has been there for a while
#2898 [17:10] <mitpatterson> yah, but here is what the layout is(its like this all around, X is glass, L is lava
#2899 [17:10] <mitpatterson> XXX
#2900 [17:10] <mitpatterson> XLX
#2901 [17:10] <mitpatterson> XXX
#2902 [17:11] <Kealper> O.o
#2903 [17:11] <mitpatterson> so no matter how you would "cross section it" its the same
#2904 [17:11] * Kealper remakes to see
#2904 [17:11] <mitpatterson> could he have "teleported" into it?(if he got too far he sorta teleports doesn't he?)
#2905 [17:12] <GreyVulpine> Don't believe so, it still sounds like the southwest/lava rule
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#2907 [17:12] <mitpatterson> is there a built in screen shot taker at all in the game?
#2908 [17:12] <Kealper> F2
#2909 [17:12] <GreyVulpine> F2
#2910 [17:12] <mitpatterson> and where does it save the screen shot
#2911 [17:13] <GreyVulpine> .minecraft/screenshots?
#2912 [17:13] <Kealper> %appdata%\.minecraft\screenshots
#2913 [17:13] <Kealper> if nix: ~/.minecraft/screenshots
#2914 [17:14] <mitpatterson> you forgot "roaming"
#2915 [17:15] <g> mitpatterson: No he didn't..
#2916 [17:15] <SkiingPenguins> thats what i thought at first too, mit :)
#2917 [17:15] <SkiingPenguins> but windows is weird
#2918 [17:15] <g> it's not needed :P
#2919 [17:15] <mitpatterson> yah he did, its %appdata\Roaming\.minecraft\
#2920 [17:15] <mitpatterson> screenshots
#2921 [17:15] <g> certainly
#2922 [17:15] <Kealper> no it's not
#2923 [17:15] <mitpatterson> if you are doing the gui it is
#2924 [17:15] <g> http://i.imgur.com/ywMYV.png
#2925 [17:15] <g> there
#2926 [17:15] <Kealper> %appdata% will take you to C:\Users\name\AppData\roaming\ if you are in vista/7
#2927 [17:16] <mitpatterson> like i said, if you ard just double clicking starting at "computer" you ahve to open "Roaming"
#2928 [17:16] <mitpatterson> and yes, win 7
#2929 [17:16] <g> yes
#2930 [17:16] <g> so you type it
#2931 [17:16] <g> and save yourself a few mins
#2932 [17:17] <GreyVulpine> hey Kealper, just "appdata" will work in 7 as well
#2933 [17:17] <GreyVulpine> Or it did a week ago.. now it's just searching..
#2934 [17:17] <Kealper> yeah but it doesn't work in others, so i just say %appdata% and save the time of asking what windows they are on
#2935 [17:17] <GreyVulpine> Yeah
#2936 [17:17] <Kealper> so apparently....
#2937 [17:18] <Kealper> i box of cloth can hold lava? lol
#2938 [17:18] <GreyVulpine> Since when?
#2939 [17:18] <mitpatterson> ok, well here is the screen shots: http://mitpatterson.com/files/screenshots%20of%20lava.zip
#2940 [17:18] <Kealper> since now, i guess lol
#2941 [17:18] <mitpatterson> there are 4 in there
#2942 [17:18] <mitpatterson> from diferent angles
#2943 [17:18] <mitpatterson> they all are of the same "block" of lava
#2944 [17:18] <Kealper> OHGOD
#2945 [17:18] <Kealper> IT BURNS
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#2947 [17:19] <mitpatterson> Kealper, what?
#2948 [17:19] <Kealper> it just takes a LONG time to catch fire :<
#2949 [17:19] <GreyVulpine> That's what I thought...
#2950 [17:19] <mitpatterson> oh, the wool, lmao
#2951 [17:19] <mitpatterson> err cloth or what ever
#2952 [17:19] <Kealper> eh? there is no way it should have died from that :/
#2953 [17:19] <mitpatterson> Kealper, do i report a bug somewhere?
#2954 [17:20] <Kealper> check to see if others are having issues like that on http://getsatisfaction.com/mojang
#2955 [17:20] <Kealper> if no one else is, then report it, if others are, just say you're having it too
#2956 [17:20] <mitpatterson> if not, report it? and what al should i link up? link up the pics and should i copy my map file and put it up so people(notch) can download it?
#2957 [17:21] <Kealper> just throw those screenshots up on there along with what happened
#2958 [17:21] <Kealper> the page will let you upload screenshots right on to the site
#2959 [17:21] <mitpatterson> k
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#2961 [17:22] <mitpatterson> also, any hints on getting a new wolf?
#2962 [17:22] <mitpatterson> like how to find one easy?
#2963 [17:22] <Kealper> no idea, i haven't even found any yet :/
#2964 [17:23] <mitpatterson> lol, i found one, and while trying to tame it hit it by mistake and had to "put it down" and then i had this one, which got put down by the lava
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#2966 [17:23] <tobias-14> hi guys
#2967 [17:23] <Kealper> hi
#2968 [17:23] <GreyVulpine> 'lo
#2969 [17:23] <tobias-14> is it usual that the spawnpoint is NOT reset after sleeping in a bed?
#2970 [17:23] <tobias-14> (in minecraft^^)
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#2973 [17:24] <Kealper> i've heard of some bugs with it that are going on right now :/
#2974 [17:24] <BarryCarlyon> dammit Kealper beat me to replying :-D
#2975 [17:24] <hell-of-the-dev> hey can someone answer a question for me plz
#2976 [17:24] <tobias-14> hm ok....
#2977 [17:24] <mitpatterson> also, anyone else notice(and its on the get satisfaction) that wolves can't fit though a door
#2978 [17:24] <GreyVulpine> hell-of-the-dev - Just ask
#2979 [17:24] <BarryCarlyon> mitpatterson: yah oits on the wiki
#2980 [17:24] <GreyVulpine> tobias-14 - There is a little bug with it
#2981 [17:24] <mitpatterson> ah
#2982 [17:24] <mitpatterson> didn't check there
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#2984 [17:25] <Kealper> just make a 1x1 doggy door
#2985 [17:25] <mitpatterson> so is that a "bug" or a "feature"
#2986 [17:25] <BarryCarlyon> if its on getstaisfactiion is the same :-D
#2987 [17:25] <sukosevato> hello there
#2988 [17:25] <GreyVulpine> sukosevato - 'lo
#2989 [17:25] <hell-of-the-dev> who made the mclawl server software
#2990 [17:25] <sukosevato> can anyone help with a mine craft server? we have some issues with lag
#2991 [17:25] <hell-of-the-dev> classic or beta
#2992 [17:25] <sukosevato> beta
#2993 [17:25] <hell-of-the-dev> what's the ip?
#2994 [17:25] <sukosevato> we got a seperate system for the server
#2995 [17:25] <GreyVulpine> hell-of-the-dev - Check out http://www.mclawl.tk/
#2996 [17:25] <hell-of-the-dev> thanks
#2997 [17:26] <sukosevato> we have a 100 mbit fiber glas connection
#2998 [17:26] <mitpatterson> and anyone else notice that if you hit another "mob"(nuetrual even) the dog finishes him off how neat
#2999 [17:26] <sukosevato> and the server runs on 3 GB ram with a dual core 2.1 Ghz processor
#3000 [17:26] <mitpatterson> sukosevato, its not "fiberglass" its just "fiber"
#3001 [17:26] <sukosevato> doesn't matter
#3002 [17:26] <mitpatterson> sukosevato, is that a 100 mbit to the interet?(to a ISP) or just to a router or switch?
#3003 [17:26] <sukosevato> the thing is, why does it lag so much
#3004 [17:26] <sukosevato> to the internet
#3005 [17:27] <sukosevato> Netherlands, very fast internet
#3006 [17:27] <sukosevato> when we hit a block, it gets destroyed and after around 20 seconds or so, the actual mined resource appears
#3007 [17:27] <hell-of-the-dev> what else is the server comp used for?
#3008 [17:27] <mitpatterson> i think thats a common bug sukosevato
#3009 [17:28] <sukosevato> that you can't mine resources in multiplayer?
#3010 [17:28] <mitpatterson> i see that on my own server, with similar specs to yours, and its on my LAN(100 mbit)
#3011 [17:28] <GreyVulpine> Yes sukosevato, it affects a certain portion of people running MC
#3012 [17:28] <sukosevato> so you're saying the common bug is that you can't play it?
#3013 [17:28] <mitpatterson> sukosevato, does it happen everytime?
#3014 [17:28] <sukosevato> yes
#3015 [17:28] <GreyVulpine> sukosevato - Are you running the server?
#3016 [17:28] <mitpatterson> i see it once in a while
#3017 [17:28] <sukosevato> yes
#3018 [17:28] <sukosevato> the computer is only running the server
#3019 [17:28] <sukosevato> it's a seperate system
#3020 [17:28] <sukosevato> clean install with java + minecraft only installed
#3021 [17:28] <GreyVulpine> sukosevato - Can you do me a favor, and turn off the monsters/animals in server.properties.
#3022 [17:28] <GreyVulpine> Then try it again
#3023 [17:28] <sukosevato> ok
#3024 [17:29] <sukosevato> we're restarting the server now
#3025 [17:29] <sukosevato> and a friend will be trying to connect
#3026 [17:29] <sukosevato> just a min
#3027 [17:30] <sukosevato> lol it worked
#3028 [17:30] * GreyVulpine nods
#3028 [17:30] <sukosevato> let us try some more and see if it fixes all
#3029 [17:30] <GreyVulpine> Many servers have the problem with lag.
#3030 [17:30] <mitpatterson> so that "doggie" door someone mentioned(1x1) can anything else besides nuteral mobs fit thought?(pigs, chicket, ect.)
#3031 [17:30] <GreyVulpine> It can be the result of unoptimized netcode of MC's server software, or an issue with the computer running the server and its hardware
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#3033 [17:31] <sukosevato> yea but it's kind of difficult to determine which one of those it is
#3034 [17:31] <GreyVulpine> Indeed
#3035 [17:31] <GreyVulpine> For now, the monster/animal workaround works for now
#3036 [17:32] <sukosevato> I see
#3037 [17:32] <sukosevato> Any clue as to when that common bug will be fixed?
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#3039 [17:32] <sukosevato> has Notch said anything about it yet?
#3040 [17:32] <GreyVulpine> I'm sorry, I don't know
#3041 [17:32] <GreyVulpine> No he hasn't
#3042 [17:32] <GreyVulpine> We're just community-run support, we have limited access to Notch and Mojang.
#3043 [17:32] <sukosevato> yes I see
#3044 [17:32] <sukosevato> But the thing I wonder about now is
#3045 [17:33] <sukosevato> why can't our server run mobs and can others? Is the hardware not good enough? 2.1 Ghz dual core / 3 GB ram / 100 mbit internet? (no videocard, but not necessary, right?)
#3046 [17:33] <GreyVulpine> I cannot tell you sukosevato. I just don't know. I have seen this issue many times before, and I haven't picked up on a common cause yet
#3047 [17:34] <sukosevato> I see
#3048 [17:34] <GreyVulpine> I can make an educated guess, but I have no proof of it yet
#3049 [17:34] <mitpatterson> sukosevato, how many people are on your server?
#3050 [17:35] <sukosevato> 3, but we havent tried that yet, we started this server today
#3051 [17:35] <sukosevato> the only thing we have tried is running the server from another pc on a lan connection
#3052 [17:36] <GreyVulpine> sukosevato - Just curious, what kind of NIC is the server running, and have you checked the drivers for it
#3053 [17:36] <mitpatterson> hmm, i have worse specs then you and don't see it that often, so its not hardware(i don't think)(i got a dual core 2ghz, 4 GB ram in system, only 1.5 GB to the server(the VM) and 100mBit internal lan(i connect on) but only like 512k up to the internet
#3054 [17:36] <sukosevato> is the cause primarily the animals or the enemy mobs btw?
#3055 [17:36] <GreyVulpine> Most likely, it's the netcode of Minecraft, and how the NIC handles it
#3056 [17:36] <sukosevato> does the minecraft version make a difference?
#3057 [17:36] <GreyVulpine> Disabling monsters decreases the load a bit
#3058 [17:36] <sukosevato> we're running 1.3
#3059 [17:37] <SkiingPenguins> is it pushing too much information at once?
#3060 [17:37] <GreyVulpine> I don't believe it was fixed in 1.4
#3061 [17:37] <GreyVulpine> SkiingPenguins - Yes, it's a common issue
#3062 [17:37] <sukosevato> how can I see if it is pushing too much information?
#3063 [17:37] <GreyVulpine> Got a packet sniffer?
#3064 [17:37] <sukosevato> I doubt it's pushing too much
#3065 [17:37] <sukosevato> internet is way too fast
#3066 [17:37] <sukosevato> it really is the configuration / hardware problem
#3067 [17:38] <GreyVulpine> Couldn't care less about your internet connection.
#3068 [17:38] <sukosevato> anyway we don't have a packet sniffer
#3069 [17:38] <GreyVulpine> You can have a firehydrant feeding your water into your house, but good luck getting it inside if you have a tiny ball valve
#3070 [17:38] <sukosevato> should we download one?
#3071 [17:38] * SkiingPenguins completely understood that analogy :o
#3071 [17:39] <GreyVulpine> Do you know how to use and read the results?
#3072 [17:39] <sukosevato> I understand what you mean
#3073 [17:39] <sukosevato> don't know for sure
#3074 [17:39] <sukosevato> we're here with 3 people that know a lot about pc's
#3075 [17:39] <GreyVulpine> You can try to use one, but we can't use the results if you don't know how to give it to us
#3076 [17:39] <sukosevato> but maybe not the most about networking and other such things
#3077 [17:39] <SkiingPenguins> us being.. everyone but me :D
#3078 [17:40] <sukosevato> so we have to use a packet sniffer and give you the results?
#3079 [17:40] <sukosevato> any particular packet sniffer you recommend?
#3080 [17:40] <Kealper> a sniffer isn't going to tell you anything aside from minecraft server sends a TON of packets
#3081 [17:40] <GreyVulpine> Sorry, it's just something that not a lot of us here have the time to read over.
#3082 [17:40] <GreyVulpine> As Kealper says, minecraft sends WAY too much data
#3083 [17:41] <sukosevato> Okay, so I guess we can't use a packet sniffer
#3084 [17:41] <sukosevato> any other tweaks / tips you have that might make it run smoother?
#3085 [17:42] <GreyVulpine> Right now, turning monsters off is a workaround. If you have a spare NIC, or a spare machine to test...
#3086 [17:42] <GreyVulpine> Other than that, all you can do, is wait for Notch and his team to fix it.
#3087 [17:42] <mitpatterson> GreyBot, sukosevato sometimes running the OS for the Server in a VM(Virtual Machine) helps, it did for me(granted for me it was crashing my nic)
#3088 [17:42] <sukosevato> you mean if you have a different machine to run the server on? (which we do) Seeing as if you turn of the monsters on a pc that is also running the game it self it won't work?
#3089 [17:43] <GreyVulpine> mitpatterson's got a good suggestion there as well
#3090 [17:43] <GreyVulpine> Yes sukosevato
#3091 [17:43] <GreyVulpine> (I didn't understand the second question)
#3092 [17:44] <sukosevato> but a virtual machine uses only 1 thread, won't that be a problem?
#3093 [17:44] <GreyVulpine> The MC server is single threaded
#3094 [17:44] <sukosevato> okay, so that makes no difference
#3095 [17:44] <sukosevato> we got windows 7ultimate
#3096 [17:44] <sukosevato> 64 bit
#3097 [17:44] <sukosevato> and we're gonna try the virtual machine suggestion
#3098 [17:45] <sukosevato> see if it makes a difference
#3099 [17:45] <sukosevato> do we use the virtual machine of windows?
#3100 [17:45] <sukosevato> 7
#3101 [17:45] <g> running a server on windows?
#3102 [17:45] <g> >.>
#3103 [17:45] <sukosevato> yes
#3104 [17:45] <g> why?
#3105 [17:45] <sukosevato> because I dont like linux
#3106 [17:45] <g> so, servers don't like windows
#3107 [17:45] <GreyVulpine> sukosevato - They're talking about a.. more full-featured VM system
#3108 [17:46] <sukosevato> like?
#3109 [17:46] <GreyVulpine> Windows 7's VM is just a way for microsoft to push the new windows to corporations running legacy software
#3110 [17:46] <GreyVulpine> virtualPC, VMware...
#3111 [17:46] <mitpatterson> i have server 2008 as my main Underlying OS on my server, running virtual box with Ubuntu Server edition running the actual minecraft server
#3112 [17:46] * g facedesks
#3112 [17:47] <mitpatterson> g why?
#3113 [17:47] <g> what you should be doing
#3114 [17:47] <g> is using ubuntu as your base, with windows in a vm :P
#3115 [17:47] <GreyVulpine> Heh
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#3117 [17:47] <mitpatterson> eh, i know more about windows, i'm a linux noob, and the other thing is i plan on running a few services from 2008 and i want them to be at the base, not in a VM
#3118 [17:48] <g> samba ftw
#3119 [17:50] <Kealper> imo it'd be less secure if he used a base os that he was unfamiliar with than to just use the existing windows os that he's more familiar with than to have the unfamiliar one be a base
#3120 [17:50] <Kealper> i just totally lost my train of thought on that
#3121 [17:50] <mitpatterson> lol, i get your point Kealper
#3122 [17:50] <g> rofl
#3123 [17:50] <g> no, not really
#3124 [17:50] <mitpatterson> it will be safer if i understand the base OS, then using one i don't
#3125 [17:50] <g> that would be true,
#3126 [17:50] <Kealper> yeah, that
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#3128 [17:50] <g> if
#3129 [17:51] <Kealper> before you say it
#3130 [17:51] <g> nix had anywhere near the number of vulnerabilities that window shas
#3131 [17:51] <Kealper> dangit
#3132 [17:51] <Kealper> ya said it
#3133 [17:51] <g> windows has*
#3134 [17:51] <g> :P
#3135 [17:51] <hellbreaker777> Can someone possibly help with a gift code problem?
#3136 [17:51] <Kealper> windows is far more secure now than it was back in the XP/server 2003 days
#3137 [17:51] <Kealper> security in those OSes and before were so bad it couldn't even be called a joke
#3138 [17:51] <GreyVulpine> hellbreaker777 - What problem?
#3139 [17:51] <g> windeed
#3140 [17:51] <g> but
#3141 [17:52] <g> nix is still more secure
#3142 [17:52] <g> unless you do something stupid
#3143 [17:52] <g> like, for example, locking yourself out with iptables
#3144 [17:52] <g> :P
#3145 [17:52] <mitpatterson> lol g
#3146 [17:52] <Kealper> if it's set up right, windows sevrver 2008 r2 and windows 7 can be adequitly secure for most things
#3147 [17:52] <Kealper> g: yeah, that'd be bad lol
#3148 [17:52] <mitpatterson> let me guess... you've done that once or twice?
#3149 [17:52] <Kealper> but secure!
#3150 [17:52] <Kealper> lol
#3151 [17:52] <hellbreaker777> I ordered a gift code, and it says unused, but when my friend tries to redeem it, it says it is used or incorrect.
#3152 [17:52] <g> lol
#3153 [17:52] <mitpatterson> well, probaly once, and then never again
#3154 [17:52] <g> yeah
#3155 [17:52] <g> I did it once
#3156 [17:53] <g> it was so effective,
#3157 [17:53] <g> my VPS host couldn't fix it
#3158 [17:53] <mitpatterson> hellbreaker777, assuming the code is correct, you'll probaly have to contact support
#3159 [17:53] <g> xD
#3160 [17:53] <GreyVulpine> hellbreaker777 - Go to your profile page, make sure the code there is right
#3161 [17:53] <Kealper> i've done the same thing on windows before....turns out, windows firewall is actually half useful :/
#3162 [17:53] <hellbreaker777> It is.
#3163 [17:53] <GreyVulpine> Did you copy the code directory from there, and paste it to your friend?
#3164 [17:53] <Kealper> using VNC on windows server, then enabling windows firewall = bad
#3165 [17:53] <GreyVulpine> Made sure he's typing it in correctly?
#3166 [17:54] <mitpatterson> Kealper, unless you have an exception added first
#3167 [17:54] <g> vnc is slow
#3168 [17:54] <hellbreaker777> Yes I did. We did that also, and it still says incorrect
#3169 [17:54] <g> teamviewer :P
#3170 [17:54] <GreyVulpine> directory = directly
#3171 [17:54] <Kealper> g: it is, i don;'t use vnc anymroe lol
#3172 [17:54] <GreyVulpine> Hmm
#3173 [17:54] <Kealper> anymmore*
#3174 [17:54] <g> lol
#3175 [17:54] <mitpatterson> g i use tight VNC(granted it's internal LAN only not on the internet)
#3176 [17:54] <Kealper> i actually use RDP now, far better
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#3178 [17:54] <g> even internal lan is fairly slow on my end
#3179 [17:54] <Kealper> mitpatterson: it can be used over internet too
#3180 [17:54] <g> rdp is epic though
#3181 [17:54] <g> rdp is lightinigfast here
#3182 [17:54] <g> lighntingfast*
#3183 [17:54] <g> fack
#3184 [17:54] <g> you know what I mean
#3185 [17:55] <mitpatterson> yah i know that, but i'm saying if its just on my lan, i don't need the team viewer stuff really
#3186 [17:55] <hellbreaker777> It already took the money out of my account, so I shall be irked if I paid that for a broken code.
#3187 [17:55] <Kealper> because rdp is super integrated with windows, it actually has it's own custom display drivers
#3188 [17:55] <g> :P
#3189 [17:55] <mitpatterson> hellbreaker777, contact support( i can't recall the email for it someone has it)
#3190 [17:55] <g> one thing they did right
#3191 [17:55] <Kealper> idneed
#3192 [17:55] <Kealper> indeed*
#3193 [17:55] <hellbreaker777> Hmm, alright.
#3194 [17:55] <GreyVulpine> hellbreaker777 - Hmm, I'd send an email to maybe daniel@mojang.com about that
#3195 [17:55] <GreyVulpine> You'll get a faster response
#3196 [17:55] <g> REAL MEN USE BINARIES WITHOUT EXTENSIONS
#3197 [17:55] <g> :P
#3198 [17:55] <hellbreaker777> Alright them.
#3199 [17:56] <hellbreaker777> then
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#3201 [17:56] <hellbreaker777> *
#3202 [17:56] <hellbreaker777> Thank you for the advice GreyVulpine
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#3204 [17:56] <Kealper> g: psh... .app ftw
#3205 [17:56] <g> oh god mac
#3206 [17:56] <g> :P
#3207 [17:56] <Kealper> lol
#3208 [17:56] <g> I have an ipad
#3209 [17:56] <g> but still
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#3211 [17:57] * gPad2002 shrugs
#3211 [17:57] <gPad2002> I despise some aspects of mac
#3212 [17:58] <gPad2002> Other aspects are great
#3213 [17:58] <Kealper> i really just hate how locked down everything apple makes is :/
#3214 [17:58] <gPad2002> Mac must be the most insecure
#3215 [17:58] <Kealper> and....slightly overpriced lol
#3216 [17:58] <gPad2002> You know the mac app store?
#3217 [17:58] <Kealper> yeah
#3218 [17:58] <gPad2002> That was cracked before it was released
#3219 [17:58] <gPad2002> :P
#3220 [17:59] <Kealper> wow lol
#3221 [17:59] <gPad2002> Not sure how its possible
#3222 [17:59] <gPad2002> But, lol
#3223 [18:00] <mitpatterson> Kealper, here is my getsatisfaction but/problem report http://getsatisfaction.com/mojang/topics/my_pet_wolf_died_in_lava_that_was_surrounded_by_glass-1lhkhg
#3224 [18:00] <gPad2002> Was the glass at least two blocks high?
#3225 [18:01] <gPad2002> Was it covered over?
#3226 [18:01] <mitpatterson> you mean above it?
#3227 [18:01] <mitpatterson> yah
#3228 [18:01] <gPad2002> Hmm
#3229 [18:01] <gPad2002> For most purposes
#3230 [18:01] <gPad2002> Glass is treated as air
#3231 [18:01] <gPad2002> Which is why it doesn't block redstone or chests
#3232 [18:01] <gPad2002> Might be something to do with it
#3233 [18:02] <gPad2002> Yay, no mute
#3234 [18:02] <gPad2002> :3
#3235 [18:02] <mitpatterson> i think my wolf had teleported, so i wonder if he teleported into the lava or something?
#3236 [18:02] <mitpatterson> not sure what type of "intelligence" notch put into the telporter
#3237 [18:03] <gPad2002> Mobs don't teleport
#3238 [18:03] <gPad2002> They spawn and despawn
#3239 [18:03] <mitpatterson> the wolf does if he gets too far away or can't follow
#3240 [18:03] <gPad2002> Oh really?
#3241 [18:03] <gPad2002> Didn't know that
#3242 [18:03] <mitpatterson> or does something to follow you
#3243 [18:03] <gPad2002> That's possible then
#3244 [18:07] <mitpatterson> gPad2002, http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Wolf#Movement
#3245 [18:07] * gPad2002 reads
#3245 [18:07] <mitpatterson> 2nd paragraph of that
#3246 [18:07] <mitpatterson> 3rd line
#3247 [18:08] <mitpatterson> says they will teleport
#3248 [18:09] <gPad2002> :P
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#3250 [18:10] <mitpatterson> i miss my wolfy
#3251 [18:11] <gPad2002> Do they attack you if you smack them?
#3252 [18:11] <mitpatterson> unless you smack a lot no(once they are tame taht is)
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#3254 [18:11] <mitpatterson> if they are "wild" i think anythign will prooke them(if you hit them once)
#3255 [18:11] <gPad2002> :P
#3256 [18:12] <mitpatterson> but if they are tamed they are used to hitthing without attacking
#3257 [18:12] <mitpatterson> i hit mine a few times when i was chopping down a tree
#3258 [18:12] <gPad2002> Lol
#3259 [18:12] <gPad2002> Ok
#3260 [18:12] <mitpatterson> mabey he didn't like the abuse so he commited suide by telporting to the lava?
#3261 [18:12] <gPad2002> xD
#3262 [18:12] <gPad2002> AI conspiracy
#3263 [18:12] <gPad2002> :P
#3264 [18:12] <mitpatterson> yah, lol
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#3266 [18:13] <mitpatterson> i would laught if notch really coded something in, "more than x hits, find a way to kill your self"
#3267 [18:13] <gPad2002> xD
#3268 [18:13] <gPad2002> Wolves should have a personality
#3269 [18:13] <mitpatterson> i'm pretty sure for me it ws just a glitch or a bug
#3270 [18:13] <gPad2002> Unique to each
#3271 [18:14] <gPad2002> This one follows you everywhere
#3272 [18:14] <mitpatterson> lol, that would be cool
#3273 [18:14] <gPad2002> That one goes out to find food
#3274 [18:14] <mitpatterson> but that sounds like a LOT of coding
#3275 [18:14] <gPad2002> This other one sleeps all day
#3276 [18:14] <gPad2002> Well yes
#3277 [18:14] <gPad2002> But it would add depth
#3278 [18:15] <mitpatterson> but do the people who just hit bocks want "depth"?
#3279 [18:15] <gPad2002> I'm sure someone will mod them :P
#3280 [18:15] <gPad2002> Idk
#3281 [18:15] <gPad2002> I sure do
#3282 [18:15] <mitpatterson> i nominate you to mod them
#3283 [18:15] <gPad2002> I don't know java
#3284 [18:15] <gPad2002> :P
#3285 [18:15] <mitpatterson> me neitherr
#3286 [18:16] <gPad2002> C++? No problem
#3287 [18:16] <gPad2002> Python? Great.
#3288 [18:16] <gPad2002> But no
#3289 [18:16] <gPad2002> He had to have it embedded
#3290 [18:16] <mitpatterson> only language i know is VB, and that, not even that well
#3291 [18:16] <gPad2002> :P
#3292 [18:16] <gPad2002> VB is an OK strayer
#3293 [18:16] <gPad2002> Starter*
#3294 [18:16] <gPad2002> Python is better IMO
#3295 [18:17] <mitpatterson> yah, its Object oriented(like most good languages) and it uses some of the same sytax's as most other C languages
#3296 [18:17] <gPad2002> Well
#3297 [18:17] <gPad2002> It's based on C++
#3298 [18:18] <mitpatterson> yah, when i say "C" i mean C++ c# what have you
#3299 [18:18] <gPad2002> Indeed
#3300 [18:19] <mitpatterson> has notch ever said why he choose java over anythign else? is is just what he knows or something?
#3301 [18:19] <gPad2002> Yeah, thats pretty much it
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#3303 [18:22] <mitpatterson> i want another wolf, grrr
#3304 [18:22] <gPad2002> Heh
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#3310 [18:33] <ParanoiaComplex> hmm
#3311 [18:34] <ParanoiaComplex> I'm having an issue with doors and water/lava
#3312 [18:34] <ParanoiaComplex> x.x
#3313 [18:34] <gPad2002> 'splain
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#3315 [18:34] <Wug> hello voxelhead
#3316 [18:34] * VoxelHead returns
#3316 [18:34] <VoxelHead> hey
#3317 [18:35] <ParanoiaComplex> Doors count as blocks
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#3319 [18:35] <ParanoiaComplex> So water and lava doesn't pass through
#3320 [18:35] <ParanoiaComplex> regardless if its open or not
#3321 [18:35] <gPad2002> Correct.
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#3323 [18:35] <ParanoiaComplex> I can't find a way to start a lava trap with falling lava without mcedit or tnt
#3324 [18:36] <gPad2002> Sand
#3325 [18:36] <gPad2002> Sand and torches
#3326 [18:36] <gPad2002> But you still need TNT
#3327 [18:36] <ParanoiaComplex> Yeah
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#3330 [18:36] <ParanoiaComplex> that gets messy
#3331 [18:36] <gPad2002> that's currently the only real method
#3332 [18:37] <gPad2002> Bukkit has a plugin that stops powered liquids from flowing
#3333 [18:37] <gPad2002> But apart from that, its TNT and torches.
#3334 [18:37] <ParanoiaComplex> is there anything that breaks in water but not in lava?
#3335 [18:37] <ParanoiaComplex> because I could do a water redirection switch
#3336 [18:38] <gPad2002> Torches
#3337 [18:38] <gPad2002> :P
#3338 [18:38] <ParanoiaComplex> torches don't desolve in lava?
#3339 [18:38] <gPad2002> I think they do
#3340 [18:38] <gPad2002> I'm not sure
#3341 [18:38] <Coll> Kealper
#3342 [18:38] <ParanoiaComplex> I need something that would hold back lava, but break in water
#3343 [18:38] <Kealper> rawr
#3344 [18:39] <Kealper> ParanoiaComplex: anything that breaks in lava will break in water
#3345 [18:39] <ParanoiaComplex> infortunately -_-
#3346 [18:39] <Coll> is it possible you can retreive my house on the server
#3347 [18:39] <ParanoiaComplex> unfortunately
#3348 [18:39] <gPad2002> Wood does the opposite
#3349 [18:39] <Coll> and turn it into a schematic
#3350 [18:39] <VoxelHead> I don't know... weee hoo hoo hoo!
#3351 [18:39] <gPad2002> Holds back water, burned by lava
#3352 [18:39] <Coll> or just send me the few chunk data to me
#3353 [18:39] <Kealper> Coll: if you want to, you can
#3354 [18:39] <Coll> how?
#3355 [18:40] <Kealper> the server makes all those backups, i could just give you the latest ones
#3356 [18:40] <Kealper> one*
#3357 [18:40] <ParanoiaComplex> Does lava work the same way that water does? Could I make a trap that redirects lava when the lava is powered?
#3358 [18:40] <Coll> ok
#3359 [18:40] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#3360 [18:40] <Coll> that will work
#3361 [18:40] <Coll> :D
#3362 [18:40] <VoxelHead> =]
#3363 [18:40] <ParanoiaComplex> ahhhh :D
#3364 [18:40] <mitpatterson_> Kealper, how are you doing backups?( i need to set up a uto backup on my server)
#3365 [18:41] <Kealper> using winrar, windows scheduled tasks, and a program called Bvckup
#3366 [18:41] <Kealper> and a program i made to control everything, delete ancient backups, etc
#3367 [18:42] <mitpatterson_> hmm, well i'm running on a linux VM(the VM is runing on Windows Server 2008 as the base OS) any ideas to back up the world there?
#3368 [18:43] <mitpatterson_> and by "there" i mean in this situation
#3369 [18:43] <gPad2002> Cron
#3370 [18:43] <GreyVulpine> ^
#3371 [18:43] <Kealper> a program called tar and a cronjob to schedule it
#3372 [18:43] <Kealper> dangit, hella ninja'd
#3373 [18:43] <gPad2002> :P
#3374 [18:44] <mitpatterson_> i'm a linux noob, anyone care to help me set it up?
#3375 [18:44] <GreyVulpine> How often do you want it to updatE?
#3376 [18:44] <Kealper> i'm not that sweet with linux lol
#3377 [18:45] <mitpatterson_> i was thinking like every 12 hours....
#3378 [18:45] <GreyVulpine> Where do you want it to save to
#3379 [18:45] <mitpatterson_> where ever, i would
#3380 [18:45] <AG_Scott> Are you wanting to make the backups available on the host?
#3381 [18:46] <mitpatterson_> it doesn't matter really, i can scp into to grab the file as needed
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#3384 [18:47] <gPad2002> I can nix
#3385 [18:47] <gPad2002> But I can't cron
#3386 [18:47] <gPad2002> :P
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#3388 [18:48] <mitpatterson_> my ideal syste would be to have it update ever 12 hours or so, and keep the last like 8 backups, and have the files named like "world-Date-Time"
#3389 [18:48] <GreyVulpine> Okay, do you want it to do it every 12 hours, or at a certain time?
#3390 [18:48] <mitpatterson_> just like every 12 hours, doesn't need to be a certian time(but what ever is easier)
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#3392 [18:50] <GreyVulpine> Basically, google up cronjobs. I'm a bit rusty on them
#3393 [18:50] <mitpatterson_> k
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#3396 [18:52] <OhhhJordan> Can someone help me out.
#3397 [18:52] <GreyVulpine> With?
#3398 [18:52] <gPad2002> Possibly,
#3399 [18:52] <gPad2002> Depending on the problem
#3400 [18:53] <OhhhJordan> My Minecraft says "Not Downloaded" for single player.
#3401 [18:53] <GreyVulpine> Did you pay for minecraft?
#3402 [18:53] <OhhhJordan> I got told to try single before paying.
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#3404 [18:53] <GreyVulpine> You can't play minecraft without paying for it
#3405 [18:53] <mitpatterson_> minecraft classsic ic free
#3406 [18:53] <mitpatterson_> is*
#3407 [18:54] <OhhhJordan> Ok.
#3408 [18:54] <hellbreaker777> Ffffff... why does that character have to look like a number? xc
#3409 [18:54] <hellbreaker777> I found out the problem
#3410 [18:54] <mitpatterson_> but if your playing anything that says "beta"(in game) and you haven't paid, then its a illegail copy
#3411 [18:54] <GreyVulpine> He can still get the launcher
#3412 [18:55] <GreyVulpine> It just won't download the files when he tries to launch it
#3413 [18:55] <mitpatterson_> well yah, but i mean actually playing it
#3414 [18:55] <GreyVulpine> Hence, the "Not downloaded" message
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#3416 [18:58] <VoxelHead> Mmm Wug.
#3417 [19:00] <LoRDTrevor> hey VoxelHead whats up?
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#3419 [19:00] <VoxelHead> Lordtrevor: I'm feeling pretty average :/
#3420 [19:00] <Kealper> lol
#3421 [19:01] * mitpatterson_ hugs VoxelHead
#3421 [19:01] <VoxelHead> uNf
#3422 [19:02] <LoRDTrevor> VoxelHead: are you ready to die?
#3423 [19:02] <VoxelHead> eest made me
#3424 [19:04] <LoRDTrevor> VoxelHead: Want to play a game?
#3425 [19:04] <VoxelHead> Coffee.
#3426 [19:04] <LoRDTrevor> VoxelHead: Yes lets play coffee
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#3430 [19:12] <TheG2> I'm trying to upgrade my server to 1.4, but everytime I download minecraft_server.jar it's 1.3
#3431 [19:12] <TheG2> any suggestions?
#3432 [19:12] <Kealper> are you behind a cahcing proxy?
#3433 [19:12] <Kealper> caching*
#3434 [19:12] <TheG2> No
#3435 [19:12] <TheG2> I've tried it on 2 different machines
#3436 [19:12] <TheG2> that are on entirely different networks
#3437 [19:13] <Kealper> running bukkit?
#3438 [19:13] <TheG2> Yes, latest
#3439 [19:13] <oldtopman> The62: Are you downloading it from minecraft.jsp?
#3440 [19:13] <Kealper> !server tried downloading it from the link AuBot is going to link?
#3441 [19:13] <VoxelHead> Woah cool, let me try that!
#3442 [19:13] <oldtopman> Er, the minecraft site
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#3444 [19:13] <Kealper> VoxelHead: just type !server :o
#3445 [19:14] <TheG2> Yes, downloaded from there
#3446 [19:14] <Kealper> aww....was kinda hoping it would lol
#3447 [19:14] <TheG2> 5 times now
#3448 [19:14] <TheG2> Deleted from the server, moved it back there
#3449 [19:14] <TheG2> still 1.3
#3450 [19:15] <Kealper> and you have tried running it without bukkit?
#3451 [19:15] <TheG2> I guess I can try that, sec
#3452 [19:16] * DopeGhoti gives Vox some coffee
#3452 [19:16] <VoxelHead> thx
#3453 [19:16] <VoxelHead> Mmmmm...
#3454 [19:16] * VoxelHead drinks the coffee ^_^
#3454 [19:16] <DopeGhoti> (he's not hyper enough)
#3455 [19:16] <TheG2> Classy, the file downloaded properly this time
#3456 [19:16] <TheG2> The hash is different from the one I downloaded 5 minutes ago
#3457 [19:17] <mitpatterson_> wow, i just heard a train wistle in game, any ideas what that means?
#3458 [19:17] <DopeGhoti> mitpatterson_: that it's 1 Apr?
#3459 [19:17] * VoxelHead finishes the coffee
#3459 [19:17] <Kealper> lol
#3460 [19:17] <VoxelHead> Mmmm... thanks :)
#3461 [19:17] <mitpatterson_> DopeGhoti, really? lmao
#3462 [19:17] <Kealper> vox, hyper enough yet?
#3463 [19:17] <VoxelHead> 42
#3464 [19:18] <oldtopman> The62: How can you tell?
#3465 [19:18] <TheG2> Kealper...seems that minecraft.net fied the download, all set now, thanks
#3466 [19:18] <TheG2> how can I tell what?
#3467 [19:18] <Kealper> it was never broke?
#3468 [19:18] <TheG2> Would you like me to show you the difference in file sizes?
#3469 [19:19] <Kealper> i updated my server a few hours after it was released yesterday from that same link and it worked fine
#3470 [19:19] <TheG2> Maybe someone changed the link or rolled back the wrong version
#3471 [19:19] <Kealper> the only explanation is that you were probably behind some sort of proxy that caches data to work faster
#3472 [19:19] <TheG2> it happens
#3473 [19:19] <TheG2> No, the other explanation is someone at Mojang deployed the wrong file
#3474 [19:19] <TheG2> as there are others talking about it on the forums
#3475 [19:20] <Kealper> well, this is the first i've seen of it in here
#3476 [19:20] <TheG2> Fair enough, seems like its resolved itself
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#3478 [19:21] <VoxelHead> bye jonathanbloom
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#3483 [19:32] <austin> I need help... I cant download 1.4 beta, it just says fatal error occured (4) /users/AJ/Library/application support/minecraft/bin/minecraft.jar
#3484 [19:33] <Kealper> O.o
#3485 [19:33] <LoRDTrevor> you are on a mac?
#3486 [19:33] <austin> yea
#3487 [19:33] <LoRDTrevor> Cant help you.
#3488 [19:33] <Phenex> Fatality!
#3489 [19:33] <austin> kk...
#3490 [19:33] * Kealper can't help much with macs
#3490 [19:33] <turtlexiv> any minecart gurus that could hop on my server and check a problem out for me?
#3491 [19:33] <Phenex> Mac wins!
#3492 [19:33] <GreyVulpine> Try deleting /users/AJ/Library/application/minecraft/bin
#3493 [19:33] <GreyVulpine> And redownload
#3494 [19:33] <LoRDTrevor> sure
#3495 [19:33] <LoRDTrevor> i will
#3496 [19:34] <austin> Do you think I should delete my minecraft folder and download the updated client?
#3497 [19:34] <GreyVulpine> Yes austin
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#3499 [19:34] <LoRDTrevor> turtlexiv: i will
#3500 [19:34] <austin> Oka
#3501 [19:34] <austin> *okay
#3502 [19:34] <GreyVulpine> austin - Remember to save your saves folder
#3503 [19:34] * Phenex is running Ubuntu for his first time!
#3503 [19:34] <austin> Yea, thanks for reminding me :-)
#3504 [19:35] <Phenex> Does anyone here run ubuntu?
#3505 [19:35] <Aska990> hello
#3506 [19:35] <Aska990> yes, me
#3507 [19:35] <GreyVulpine> 'lo Aska990
#3508 [19:35] <Phenex> is there anything I need to know before installing minecraft on Ubuntu?
#3509 [19:36] <GreyVulpine> Nope
#3510 [19:36] <Aska990> no
#3511 [19:36] <GreyVulpine> Just download the client and run it
#3512 [19:36] <Phenex> Okay perfect.
#3513 [19:36] <Phenex> Thanks
#3514 [19:37] <Aska990> you must just have OpenJDk installed
#3515 [19:37] <GreyVulpine> Or sun/oracle's Java
#3516 [19:40] <Phenex> I opened the minecraft.jar file. what do I click to run the game (ubuntu)
#3517 [19:40] <Captain-Lightning> cd to the same directory it is in, using the terminal
#3518 [19:40] <Captain-Lightning> java -Xmx1024M -Xms512M -cp Minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame
#3519 [19:41] <GreyVulpine> remember to use minecraft.net (lowercase)
#3520 [19:41] <GreyVulpine> er, minecraft.jar
#3521 [19:41] <Phenex> sorry type that where?
#3522 [19:42] <GreyVulpine> In the same directory where you have minecraft.jar downloaded to
#3523 [19:42] <GreyVulpine> In a terminal/console
#3524 [19:44] <Phenex> what is terminal/console
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#3526 [19:45] <GreyVulpine> Try pressing ctrl-alt-f1
#3527 [19:48] <Captain-Lightning> ...
#3528 [19:48] <Captain-Lightning> Now he is stuck in his console
#3529 [19:48] <Captain-Lightning> And because he doesn't know what a terminal is he won't know how to get back into his x session
#3530 [19:48] <GreyVulpine> He asked.... >.>
#3531 [19:48] <Captain-Lightning> So he will restart, come back, and complain
#3532 [19:48] <Captain-Lightning> >_>
#3533 [19:49] <mitpatterson_> does pressing the same key sequence close it?
#3534 [19:49] <GreyVulpine> Nope
#3535 [19:49] <Captain-Lightning> No
#3536 [19:49] <GreyVulpine> it's ctrl-alt.. uh
#3537 [19:49] <GreyVulpine> f7?
#3538 [19:49] <mitpatterson_> does typing "exit" close it?
#3539 [19:49] <Captain-Lightning> I actually thought that restarted it.
#3540 [19:49] <GreyVulpine> nope
#3541 [19:49] <Captain-Lightning> Exit will just bring him to a login screen
#3542 [19:49] <mitpatterson_> how do you even close it then?
#3543 [19:49] <Captain-Lightning> A console only login screen
#3544 [19:49] <Captain-Lightning> You have to start x again
#3545 [19:49] <GreyVulpine> with ctrl-alt-f6.. or f7
#3546 [19:49] <Captain-Lightning> With 'startx' or 'xinit'
#3547 [19:50] <GreyVulpine> I don't remmeber
#3548 [19:50] <Captain-Lightning> You can switch back to it?
#3549 [19:50] <GreyVulpine> Yes, pretty sure
#3550 [19:50] <Captain-Lightning> I always though it closed x.
#3551 [19:50] <Captain-Lightning> It is f7, now that I think about it
#3552 [19:51] <Captain-Lightning> Yeah, dude. He's stuck if he hasn't responded
#3553 [19:52] <mitpatterson_> lol(the things i asked where just things i would have tried)
#3554 [19:52] <mitpatterson_> followed by googling on another machine in my house
#3555 [19:52] <Captain-Lightning> GreyVulpine, you could have told him to go to menu -> accessories -> terminal >_>
#3556 [19:52] <VoxelHead> i might know
#3557 [19:52] * GreyVulpine coughs
#3557 [19:52] <mitpatterson_> shut up vox
#3558 [19:52] <VoxelHead> fine
#3559 [19:53] <Captain-Lightning> Voxel, what is the meaning of life, the universe, and everything?
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#3561 [19:54] <Kouken> Hello
#3562 [19:54] <Kouken> My server is running a server with the backup map, and the owner is entrusting me with fixing everything up
#3563 [19:54] <Kouken> however, how do I change the backup map to the primary
#3564 [19:55] <mitpatterson_> change the name to "world"
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#3566 [19:55] <mitpatterson_> and name the toher on3e somethign else
#3567 [19:55] <GreyVulpine> or change the level-name in server.properties
#3568 [19:55] <GreyVulpine> to point to the folder name of the backup world
#3569 [19:55] <mitpatterson_> or that
#3570 [19:55] <mitpatterson_> granted, i think my would work, no?
#3571 [19:56] <GreyVulpine> Yes it would
#3572 [19:56] <mitpatterson_> YEA i learned something
#3573 [19:56] <mitpatterson_> there he goes
#3574 [19:56] * GreyVulpine whistles innocently
#3574 [19:56] <mitpatterson_> lol
#3575 [19:59] <Captain-Lightning> hahahahaha
#3576 [19:59] <Captain-Lightning> hahahahaha
#3577 [19:59] <VoxelHead> why am i so amazing?
#3578 [19:59] <Captain-Lightning> poor guy
#3579 [19:59] <mitpatterson_> lmao
#3580 [20:00] <mitpatterson_> lmao at Captain-Lightning and phenex and also at VoxelHead
#3581 [20:00] <mitpatterson_> i have a question: if he didn't even know what a terminal is, why was he using linux?
#3582 [20:00] <GreyVulpine> Ubuntu
#3583 [20:00] <mitpatterson_> ubutu is linux
#3584 [20:00] <GreyVulpine> Indeed
#3585 [20:01] <GreyVulpine> Ubuntu is the gateway drug to the deeper depths of Linux..
#3586 [20:01] <mitpatterson_> to me that seems to be asking for trouble(using a linux distro and not knowing what the terminal is)
#3587 [20:02] <GreyVulpine> Unfortunately, I kinda compare Ubuntu/linux to mibbit/irc
#3588 [20:02] <mitpatterson_> in what way? that people use it and don't really know about it?
#3589 [20:02] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#3590 [20:03] <mitpatterson_> i use linux for my server for minecraft, but don't know command and stuff, but i can figure out some of it
#3591 [20:03] <mitpatterson_> and i use IRC but don't really know a lot about it, so....
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#3593 [20:03] <GreyVulpine> But when you get some of the newer people, they'll use Ubuntu because it's easy and comes with a comfortable GUI that is similar to other OSes they have tried in the past
#3594 [20:04] <mitpatterson_> yah, but i still take my windows, lol
#3595 [20:04] <GreyVulpine> Unfortunately, it comes with the problem that it's a different OS, with different commands, and can cause problems for the uninitiated
#3596 [20:04] <GreyVulpine> Which is what happens frequently
#3597 [20:05] <GreyVulpine> Ubuntu is a favorite target because of how easy/similar to use to other OSs
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#3599 [20:05] <mitpatterson_> well yah, if i had to choose a linux distro for like my mom to use, it would be ubuntu probaly(possibly fedora, or opensuse) but probaly ubuntu
#3600 [20:06] <Deathconsuming> I seem to have run into a problem
#3601 [20:07] <GreyVulpine> With?
#3602 [20:08] <Deathconsuming> Last night I updated my server and it ran fine but now I get http://pastebin.com/pH5czrhq
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#3604 [20:09] <GreyVulpine> Running any mods on your server?
#3605 [20:10] * Kealper gave his dog a bath ._.
#3605 [20:11] <Deathconsuming> Nope
#3606 [20:11] <Kealper> i also made.....a random test bulkhead that closes automatically if there is a fire
#3607 [20:11] <mitpatterson_> explain kealper
#3608 [20:11] <mitpatterson_> the bulkhead thingy
#3609 [20:11] <GreyVulpine> wool + fire +redstone
#3610 [20:11] <Kealper> and sounds a simple alarm when it closes
#3611 [20:11] <VoxelHead> do you have any taquitos?
#3612 [20:12] <mitpatterson_> and by "dog" do you mean your pet wolf? or IRL
#3613 [20:12] <Kealper> vox, sorry , i ate em all
#3614 [20:12] <Kealper> IRL
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#3616 [20:12] <Aska990> to run minecraft.jar without console, just right-click, Properties and allow the file to be an executable
#3617 [20:12] <mitpatterson_> Kealper, pics(of the fire bulkhead) or it tidn't happen
#3618 [20:12] <mitpatterson_> didn't*
#3619 [20:12] <Aska990> and then, rignt-click again on minecraft.jar, and "run with OpenJDK" if you have JDK
#3620 [20:13] * Kealper just makes a quick movie of it working
#3620 [20:13] <mitpatterson_> i would have settled for pics of the setup
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#3622 [20:14] <SkiingPenguins> movies are better ^.^
#3623 [20:14] <Kealper> ^
#3624 [20:14] <mitpatterson_> true
#3625 [20:14] <Deathconsuming> It was blocked rofl
#3626 [20:15] <Kealper> WOH
#3627 [20:15] <Kealper> my fraps key is F8 to start recording
#3628 [20:15] <Kealper> anyone ingame....press F8
#3629 [20:15] <mitpatterson_> does nothing
#3630 [20:16] <Kealper> it's like a cinematic camera movement that makes your looking super smooth
#3631 [20:16] <mitpatterson_> errr, it makes you drunk
#3632 [20:16] <mitpatterson_> lol
#3633 [20:16] <mitpatterson_> its freaky
#3634 [20:16] <Kealper> actually
#3635 [20:16] <Kealper> it might be some test code for drunkenness...but it'd still make smooth camera movements cool lol
#3636 [20:17] <Deathconsuming> So how do I chnge what F3 shows ingame?
#3637 [20:17] <VoxelHead> where'd my moose go?
#3638 [20:17] <Kealper> you can't
#3639 [20:17] <aetherian> ima back
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#3641 [20:17] <mitpatterson_> lamo vox
#3642 [20:17] <VoxelHead> i wish they didn't have to go ;(
#3643 [20:18] <VoxelHead> har har
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#3645 [20:21] <Aska990> F8 does nothing
#3646 [20:21] <Kealper> you can't be laggy or you probably won't notice it
#3647 [20:21] <mitpatterson_> you know that guy who GreyVulpine told to go to console, he still hasn't come back, lol
#3648 [20:21] * GreyVulpine goes hiding.
#3648 [20:21] <mitpatterson_> lol
#3649 [20:22] <Kealper> lemme make sure the video is presentable before i compress the snot out of it and link it
#3650 [20:22] <mitpatterson_> Kealper, i expect a option for "directors commentart"
#3651 [20:22] <mitpatterson_> commentary*
#3652 [20:23] <Kealper> psh
#3653 [20:23] <Kealper> lol
#3654 [20:24] <Kealper> looks good....time to compress the snot out of it
#3655 [20:24] <Kealper> do you use a real browser or do you use internet explorer?
#3656 [20:24] <mitpatterson_> why do you want the videos snot?
#3657 [20:24] <mitpatterson_> i use chrome
#3658 [20:24] <Kealper> ok, real browser
#3659 [20:24] <mitpatterson_> lol
#3660 [20:24] <Kealper> means i can compress it as webm and just link it to you lol
#3661 [20:24] <mitpatterson_> ah
#3662 [20:25] <mitpatterson_> if i used IE then what?
#3663 [20:25] <Kealper> then i'd have to compress it as some ghetto format that would probably require that you downloaded it
#3664 [20:25] <mitpatterson_> lmao
#3665 [20:25] <Aska990> your computer craches
#3666 [20:25] <mitpatterson_> true
#3667 [20:25] <mitpatterson_> is the getto format called wmv ?
#3668 [20:25] <mitpatterson_> lol
#3669 [20:26] <VoxelHead> Not without lubricant.
#3670 [20:26] <mitpatterson_> WTF vox
#3671 [20:26] <Kealper> lol
#3672 [20:26] <mitpatterson_> wmv
#3673 [20:26] <Thoatt|Sleep> hacking into my account wut wut?
#3674 [20:26] <mitpatterson_> lol
#3675 [20:26] <Kealper> wow...vlc is so painfully slow for video conversion :<
#3676 [20:26] <mitpatterson_> he Thoatt
#3677 [20:26] <Kealper> Thoatt: never mind that lol
#3678 [20:26] <mitpatterson_> hey*
#3679 [20:26] <Kealper> needed to test if the new thing for aubot worked right
#3680 [20:27] <Thoatt> >.>
#3681 [20:27] <Thoatt> hey mitpatterson_ :)
#3682 [20:27] <Kealper> apparently this server actually has a real mute mode instead of aubot just banning them without kicking them
#3683 [20:27] <Thoatt> lol
#3684 [20:27] <mitpatterson_> lol
#3685 [20:27] <Thoatt> So how is everyone today? :D
#3686 [20:27] <mitpatterson_> hey Thoatt all those dammed java errors are back after i rebootted the server last night(and yes i shut it down properly)
#3687 [20:28] <Thoatt> >.>
#3688 [20:28] <mitpatterson_> and Thoatt when was the last time you where on my server?
#3689 [20:28] <Thoatt> last time you seen me there iirc
#3690 [20:28] <mitpatterson_> k
#3691 [20:28] <Thoatt> check your logs lol
#3692 [20:28] <Thoatt> go to bottom, search up for Thoatt
#3693 [20:28] <mitpatterson_> well also, when i rebooted, we came back to this:http://mitpatterson.com/files/WTF.PNG
#3694 [20:28] * Thoatt eats a banana
#3694 [20:28] <mitpatterson_> http://mitpatterson.com/files/WTF.PNG
#3695 [20:29] <Kealper> wow....vlc is seriously bad for converting to webm....like....horrible
#3696 [20:29] <Thoatt> looooooooooooooooool
#3697 [20:29] <Thoatt> that's... half awesome
#3698 [20:29] <mitpatterson_> chunk screw up the wazoo
#3699 [20:29] <Kealper> i'm never ever using this stupid program for webm converting ever again
#3700 [20:29] <mitpatterson_> yah it is awsome
#3701 [20:29] <Thoatt> remind me not to go to your server lol
#3702 [20:29] <mitpatterson_> it also raised the trees near my "home"(the land under the trees) as well, but not as much
#3703 [20:29] <mitpatterson_> lol
#3704 [20:29] <mitpatterson_> yah
#3705 [20:30] <Thoatt> now that my home is gone >.>
#3706 [20:30] <mitpatterson_> i'm debating about resoting to the backup before this happened
#3707 [20:30] <Thoatt> lol
#3708 [20:30] <Thoatt> Is there anything to lose? lol
#3709 [20:30] <mitpatterson_> i don't think
#3710 [20:30] <mitpatterson_> other than the tower :P
#3711 [20:31] <mitpatterson_> let me hop on and see if Mr did anything
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#3713 [20:31] <mitpatterson_> hmm, he upgraded his tower a bit... not much though
#3714 [20:32] <mitpatterson_> ok, well it doesn't matter now, i went up the tower to check on it, and there was a creeper and it blew up parts of the tower
#3715 [20:33] <Guest64748> hello, anyone there on giz?
#3716 [20:33] <Thoatt> lolo mitpatterson_
#3717 [20:33] <Thoatt> on giz? lol
#3718 [20:33] <Thoatt> giz in your pants?
#3719 [20:34] <SkiingPenguins> o_O
#3720 [20:35] <mitpatterson_> Thoatt, grrr, i've been having issues with virtual box not wanting to find my lan again to bridge, annoying
#3721 [20:36] <Thoatt> >.>
#3722 [20:36] <Thoatt> Why didn't you want to use windows again
#3723 [20:36] <Thoatt> ?
#3724 [20:36] <mitpatterson_> it don't work on it
#3725 [20:36] <Thoatt> nic issues?
#3726 [20:36] <mitpatterson_> yah
#3727 [20:36] <mitpatterson_> it crashed the nic drivers or what ever
#3728 [20:37] <Thoatt> hmmm >.>
#3729 [20:37] <mitpatterson_> but it seems to fix the vbox nic issues i just have to restart the vboxwebser
#3730 [20:37] <DopeGhoti> Kealper: for video converting, use handbrake
#3731 [20:38] <Kealper> does it to webm?
#3732 [20:39] <Thoatt> Handbrake isn't bad, but it's got a super crappy interface, and it's slow as hell compared to others on my computer >.>
#3733 [20:39] <Kealper> friggin video converter factory pro
#3734 [20:40] <Thoatt> yeah lol... that's crazy lol
#3735 [20:40] <Kealper> i wish that would be updated with new formats
#3736 [20:40] <Thoatt> I <3 that
#3737 [20:40] <Thoatt> lol
#3738 [20:40] <Kealper> that is completely worth the like $30 it costs lol
#3739 [20:40] <mitpatterson_> Thoatt, its back up, restored sucessfully, don't seems to have java errors(crosses fingers0
#3740 [20:40] <Thoatt> if you converted a lot, yes, yes it is.
#3741 [20:40] <Thoatt> lol mitpatterson_
#3742 [20:40] <mitpatterson_> and the f-ed up chunks are gone
#3743 [20:41] <Thoatt> They'll be back...
#3744 [20:41] <Thoatt> lol
#3745 [20:41] <Kealper> sounds like hdd issues?
#3746 [20:41] <Thoatt> nein.
#3747 [20:42] <SkiingPenguins> o_o
#3748 [20:42] <mitpatterson_> mabey, mabey not, i think what happened was last night the server wouldn't start back up fully, so i shut it back down from virtual box, and rebooted, mabey the server was partly up and didn't like that
#3749 [20:42] <Kealper> hmm...this Miro converter isn't too bad....it's not super painfully uselessly slow like vlc
#3750 [20:42] <Thoatt> does the same for my virtual linux machine as well
#3751 [20:42] <Kealper> oh...vmhdd fail then
#3752 [20:42] <Kealper> vmdisk?
#3753 [20:42] <mitpatterson_> Thoatt, what? you ahve the same issue when you VM it?
#3754 [20:42] <Thoatt> It didn't act up on 1.3
#3755 [20:42] <VoxelHead> ask jeeves, he is smarter than average VoxelHead
#3756 [20:42] <Kealper> whatever those are called
#3757 [20:42] <Thoatt> yeah for 1.4 mitpatterson_
#3758 [20:43] <Thoatt> except I use a custom linux instead of ubuntu
#3759 [20:43] <mitpatterson_> hmm, we should probaly let notch know this, if it worked fine(no java erros on VM on 1.3 but it does on 1.4..... that could cause issues)
#3760 [20:43] <DopeGhoti> ubuntu is a custom linux
#3761 [20:43] <mitpatterson_> Thoatt, have you seen random f-up chunks
#3762 [20:43] <Thoatt> yes mitpatterson_
#3763 [20:43] <DopeGhoti> as are all other well-known distributions
#3764 [20:43] <mitpatterson_> so seems to be a minecraft issue then
#3765 [20:44] <Thoatt> DopeGhoti: 'custom' as in 'not a distro'
#3766 [20:44] <DopeGhoti> snazzy.
#3767 [20:44] <mitpatterson_> well its a distro, its called the Thoatt distro
#3768 [20:44] <Thoatt> it's just the linux kernel and all the things needed to run and compile java programs
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#3770 [20:44] <Kealper> ok yeah... Miro Converter = nice
#3771 [20:45] <Kealper> and open source :o
#3772 [20:45] <mitpatterson_> Thoatt, hope on the server
#3773 [20:45] <mitpatterson_> hop*
#3774 [20:45] * SkiingPenguins likes using .bat scripts at school
#3774 [20:46] <SkiingPenguins> GET SHIT DONE.
#3775 [20:46] <Kealper> wut
#3776 [20:46] <SkiingPenguins> o_O
#3777 [20:46] <Kealper> http://video.kealper.com/bulkhead.webm
#3778 [20:46] <Thoatt> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GThtMAZGYU&feature=player_embedded
#3779 [20:46] <McPlusPlus> "YouTube - Look around you computers petticoat V 5 " at www.youtube.com
#3780 [20:47] <Thoatt> loool
#3781 [20:47] <Kealper> bleh...Fx doesn't want to play it in the browser
#3782 [20:47] <Kealper> i should make an html5 compatible player for video.kealper.com :/
#3783 [20:47] <mitpatterson_> Kealper, either your lagging on your server, or you encoding screwed it up
#3784 [20:48] <Thoatt> how so mitpatterson_ ?
#3785 [20:48] <mitpatterson_> the vid is like you barey moving
#3786 [20:48] <Kealper> O.o
#3787 [20:48] <Thoatt> probably because there is like... 10 people trying to get it lol
#3788 [20:48] <aetherian> I think ima be installing a subtly different OS soon...
#3789 [20:48] <mitpatterson_> nvm, i refrshed it
#3790 [20:48] <Kealper> well if like 5 bilion people just clicked that link, i'm probably just lagging
#3791 [20:48] <mitpatterson_> works now
#3792 [20:51] <Kealper> oh
#3793 [20:51] <Kealper> dangit....forgot to pause my powerseeding
#3794 [20:51] <aetherian> hahaha
#3795 [20:51] <VoxelHead> I'm in a bear suit.
#3796 [20:52] <Kealper> and yes it's legit, because you think otherwise lol
#3797 [20:52] <mitpatterson_> WTF vox
#3798 [20:52] <Kealper> Pioneer One episode 3 :o
#3799 [20:53] <aetherian> .o.
#3800 [20:53] * Kealper updates his video player thing to support html5 videos
#3800 [20:53] * VoxelHead . o O ( ? )
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#3801 [20:55] <aetherian> what
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#3804 [20:56] <Kealper> ?
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#3806 [20:58] <aetherian> ???!
#3807 [20:58] <SkiingPenguins> aaahhhhh'
#3808 [20:58] <aetherian> ?!:. the bottom's the same :D
#3809 [20:59] <aetherian> or … for those who want the /actual/ ellipsis
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#3815 [21:17] <tpw_rules> minecraft is running horribly painfully slow on my shiny new macbook
#3816 [21:18] <mrmr> Hi i noticed this site when i placed a chest it was mine craft loot things lul i think its fake fut is it or not ? :P
#3817 [21:18] <tpw_rules> whenever i move it goes at like 2fps
#3818 [21:18] <tpw_rules> i am running on an SSD though
#3819 [21:19] <tpw_rules> on a server it runs wonderfully
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#3828 [21:25] <RagaSalim> hello?
#3829 [21:26] <GreyVulpine> 'lo
#3830 [21:26] <lemon-rev> yes ?
#3831 [21:26] <RagaSalim> hi
#3832 [21:26] <RagaSalim> i was wondering if i could get some help
#3833 [21:26] <RagaSalim> this seems like the place
#3834 [21:26] <lemon-rev> please just ask
#3835 [21:26] <GreyVulpine> What do you need help with?
#3836 [21:27] <RagaSalim> haha. well i tried modding and decided not to keep my mod, so i deleted "bin" but now it's not letting me update at all
#3837 [21:27] <lemon-rev> what you mean , can you get to login screen ?
#3838 [21:27] <mrmr> so gus is the minecraft loot thing once you open a chest real? ;D
#3839 [21:27] <lemon-rev> morning greyvulpine
#3840 [21:28] <lemon-rev> mrmr wtf, you going on about ?
#3841 [21:28] <GreyVulpine> RagaSalim - What is it giving you now?
#3842 [21:28] <RagaSalim> yeah i can open the launcher, but when i go to play it stops right in the beginning
#3843 [21:28] <RagaSalim> of updating/whatever its doing
#3844 [21:29] <mrmr> Ok so i was playing minecraft and i placed a chest
#3845 [21:29] <mrmr> after that i cliked to place some stuff in it
#3846 [21:29] <GreyVulpine> RagaSalim - How about deleting all of your .minecraft folder, saving the "saves" folder inside
#3847 [21:29] <mrmr> it told me to go to the minecraft "store"
#3848 [21:30] <RagaSalim> yeah i tried that, but it keeps on coming back (somehow?) when i go to the options under login for the game location
#3849 [21:30] <mrmr> and im mot shure if it was real or fake
#3850 [21:30] <GreyVulpine> RagaSalim - It redownloads it next time you launch the game
#3851 [21:30] <RagaSalim> i feel like i don't have enough of the actual game for it to run, but it's not redownloading
#3852 [21:30] <lemon-rev> mrmr , thre is a locked chest you can find, not sure, if it was possible to make one of your own though
#3853 [21:30] <mrmr> people say its a joke but i want to make shure
#3854 [21:30] <TheNytangel> lemon-rev, it is not possible to make one, you have to find one
#3855 [21:30] <mrmr> no
#3856 [21:31] <lemon-rev> thats what i had thought
#3857 [21:31] <mrmr> here il find the url of the site
#3858 [21:31] <TheNytangel> did you try minepedia mrmr?
#3859 [21:31] <TheNytangel> no crafting recipe
#3860 [21:32] <SkiingPenguins> nice april fools joke btw
#3861 [21:32] <SkiingPenguins> >.>
#3862 [21:32] <RagaSalim> this is what it gets stuck on >>> http://i.imgur.com/lJSQ7.jpg
#3863 [21:32] <TheNytangel> RagaSalim, did you try redownloading minecraft?
#3864 [21:32] <TheNytangel> after backing up your saves
#3865 [21:33] <RagaSalim> isn't that what it's trying to do
#3866 [21:33] <RagaSalim> on that screen
#3867 [21:33] <RagaSalim> cap
#3868 [21:33] <RagaSalim> ?
#3869 [21:33] <GreyVulpine> RagaSalim - Can you go to the Java console in your browser, then pastebin.com the results as you download it from the browser
#3870 [21:33] <TheNytangel> i think it needs the bin folder?
#3871 [21:33] <mrmr> minecraft.net/store/loot.jsp go to that im not shure if its real or fake
#3872 [21:33] <TheNytangel> bin folder has the minecraft.jar with the classes
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#3874 [21:33] <TheNytangel> that you use for mods :D
#3875 [21:33] <TheNytangel> thats all thats important to me
#3876 [21:34] <darkdemon> can someone help with a bug/glitch?
#3877 [21:34] <RagaSalim> java console in my browser.. i'm not sure what that is
#3878 [21:34] <lemon-rev> whats up darkdemon
#3879 [21:34] <GreyVulpine> RagaSalim - Go up to the tools menu in firefox
#3880 [21:34] <darkdemon> in the game (1.4) water isn't going anywhere
#3881 [21:34] <TheNytangel> mrmr, its on minecraft.net
#3882 [21:34] <TheNytangel> what do you think it is?
#3883 [21:34] <GreyVulpine> You should have a java console option
#3884 [21:34] <TheNytangel> real or fake?
#3885 [21:34] <lemon-rev> regasalim goto minecraft.net login and start trying to play via the browser
#3886 [21:35] <RagaSalim> that doesn't work either
#3887 [21:35] <RagaSalim> i clicked on java console and nothing happened
#3888 [21:35] <RagaSalim> what's supposed to happen
#3889 [21:35] <lemon-rev> darkdemon i know they said they had slowed down the current of water but they also have creaper bugs too lol
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#3892 [21:35] <GreyVulpine> RagaSalim - Oh, you're not in the in-browser client
#3893 [21:35] <lemon-rev> regasalim what you mean nothing happens, do you get a black blox ?
#3894 [21:35] <GreyVulpine> Go to minecraft.net
#3895 [21:36] <darkdemon> if I remove a blcok next to water, it doesn't flow into it, and I can use a bucket to remove a block of water (they behave like normal blcoks) and can place it, look right, but as if it where surrounded by glass
#3896 [21:36] <GreyVulpine> Then use the in-browser option
#3897 [21:36] <GreyVulpine> Have the java console open as you login there
#3898 [21:36] <RagaSalim> haha no
#3899 [21:36] <GreyVulpine> No?
#3900 [21:36] <VoxelHead> Don't come any closer or i will lay eggs in your stomach.
#3901 [21:36] <GreyVulpine> I'm sorry?
#3902 [21:36] <TheNytangel> lol
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#3904 [21:36] <lemon-rev> darkdeamon can you take screen pic of what you mean and like upload it
#3905 [21:36] <mrmr> lul ii think its fake now when you press check out a dinosaur pops out :3
#3906 [21:37] <darkdemon> yeah hang on
#3907 [21:37] <TheNytangel> -_-
#3908 [21:37] <VoxelHead> ;)
#3909 [21:37] <RagaSalim> yeah, nothing happened when i clicked on the java console
#3910 [21:37] <SkiingPenguins> ^.^
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#3912 [21:37] <TheNytangel> http://www.minecraft.net/merch.jsp
#3913 [21:37] <McPlusPlus> "Minecraft" at www.minecraft.net
#3914 [21:37] <lemon-rev> regasalim what are you seeing via the minecraft.net site ?
#3915 [21:38] <RagaSalim> http://i.imgur.com/4KOZh.jpg
#3916 [21:38] <RagaSalim> maybe a different problem?
#3917 [21:38] <TheNytangel> or: http://www.jinx.com/minecraft.aspx
#3918 [21:38] <GreyVulpine> RagaSalim - Okay, go to minecraft.net, then use the in-browser client. Do you see the java console icon in your task bar? Right click on that and choose the open console option
#3919 [21:38] <TheNytangel> the "powered by redstone" shirt made me lmao
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#3921 [21:39] <lemon-rev> thenytangel are you helping people or u just trying to chat for the sake of it ?
#3922 [21:39] <TheNytangel> <mrmr> lul ii think its fake now when you press check out a dinosaur pops out :3
#3923 [21:39] <RagaSalim> ok h/o
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#3925 [21:39] <RagaSalim> i may have ended java's process
#3926 [21:39] <mrmr> i like the creeper ones
#3927 [21:39] <RagaSalim> earlier
#3928 [21:40] <lemon-rev> regasalim thats your trouble then, reinstall java, then try minecraft again
#3929 [21:40] <TheNytangel> i like the "i porkchop minecraft" "one more block" and "powered by redstone" ones
#3930 [21:40] <TheNytangel> im planning on buying them :)
#3931 [21:40] <darkdemon> re: water bug, here's a screensoht http://i55.tinypic.com/2qbb0bo.png
#3932 [21:40] <lemon-rev> hahahahhaha
#3933 [21:40] <lemon-rev> i see what you mean
#3934 [21:40] <VoxelHead> People of earth! prepare to meet the mighty foot of my planet.
#3935 [21:40] <TheNytangel> O.o
#3936 [21:41] <SkiingPenguins> hahahaha
#3937 [21:41] <TheNytangel> VoxelHead is god :o
#3938 [21:41] <darkdemon> I have some mods installed, but none that have done this before, and none that have direct interference with blocks
#3939 [21:41] <lemon-rev> darkdeamon i think thats numb 2 bug that i have seen but sweet, is that a new world ?
#3940 [21:41] <darkdemon> yeah, new today
#3941 [21:41] <TheNytangel> yes
#3942 [21:41] <TheNytangel> he wants duh wolveses
#3943 [21:41] <lemon-rev> darkdemon i think its because of your mod but i know minecraft is still running well
#3944 [21:41] <TheNytangel> :P
#3945 [21:42] <TheNytangel> crap
#3946 [21:42] <TheNytangel> i need to go find my video card
#3947 [21:42] <lemon-rev> damm what happens to the person you where helping vulpine
#3948 [21:42] <lemon-rev> look in side your case lol
#3949 [21:42] <darkdemon> well I have modloader, minimap, toomanyitems and craft control, but as I say, they've never caused trouble before, let alone having anything to do with water
#3950 [21:43] <GreyVulpine> >.>
#3951 [21:43] <lemon-rev> darkdemon remove those extras you have gotten and try again
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#3953 [21:43] <lemon-rev> they are mods and are not offically supported
#3954 [21:43] <lemon-rev> :P
#3955 [21:43] <lemon-rev> brb
#3956 [21:44] <darkdemon> yeah okay, i'll give a force update a go
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#3958 [21:45] <TheNytangel> yeesh
#3959 [21:45] <TheNytangel> all i have is flymod and x ray
#3960 [21:45] <TheNytangel> accept i havent reinstalled them
#3961 [21:45] <TheNytangel> too lazy
#3962 [21:45] <VoxelHead> Too lazy... tazy.
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#3964 [21:46] <GreyVulpine> Accept that we don't have to help you... too lazy to help if you are
#3965 [21:46] <TheNytangel> ?
#3966 [21:46] <darkdemon> yeah a fresh .jar fixed the proplem, damn now I have to figure out with mod did the damage. Thanks anyway, I really came here to make sure it wasn't something to do with 1.4 as a whole
#3967 [21:46] <GreyVulpine> Oh, bleh, sorry.
#3968 [21:46] <TheNytangel> GreyVulpine, are you talking to me?
#3969 [21:46] <VoxelHead> not without lubricant
#3970 [21:46] <TheNytangel> >.>
#3971 [21:46] <Kealper> lol
#3972 [21:46] <TheNytangel> VoxelHead, you are random
#3973 [21:47] <mrmr> yesh found a pack of wolf
#3974 [21:47] <TheNytangel> :o
#3975 [21:47] <mrmr> and a dungeon filled with coco
#3976 [21:47] <TheNytangel> i havent succeded in finding any yet
#3977 [21:47] <TheNytangel> mrmr
#3978 [21:47] <TheNytangel> i get a cookie -_-
#3979 [21:47] <mrmr> yes
#3980 [21:47] <TheNytangel> ok
#3981 [21:48] <TheNytangel> you accepted my offer
#3982 [21:48] <mrmr> NEIN!
#3983 [21:48] <TheNytangel> 1 cookie for me :D
#3984 [21:48] <VoxelHead> :)
#3985 [21:48] <TheNytangel> mrmr: SI
#3986 [21:49] <mrmr> k you can has a cookie
#3987 [21:49] <TheNytangel> :D
#3988 [21:49] <VoxelHead> =]
#3989 [21:49] <TheNytangel> im da cookie monster
#3990 [21:50] <mrmr> nom nom nom
#3991 [21:53] <TheNytangel> *silence*
#3992 [21:54] <Kealper> rawr?
#3993 [21:54] <TheNytangel> *runs away* scary monster!
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#3997 [21:55] <kermit> hello
#3998 [21:55] <TheNytangel> hello
#3999 [21:55] <VoxelHead> SNAP.
#4000 [21:56] <kermit> do you know how to fix the multiplayer connection failed crap?
#4001 [21:56] <TheNytangel> does it say "Outdated Server?"
#4002 [21:56] <kermit> no it says timed out
#4003 [21:56] <TheNytangel> well then it timed out
#4004 [21:57] <TheNytangel> to fix it: find a server that you can connect to
#4005 [21:57] <TheNytangel> GreyVulpine, im almost as good as you :D
#4006 [21:57] <TheNytangel> dont take it as an insult.. :P
#4007 [21:57] <kermit> thats the thing my buddies have the server and they are currently on it but it wont let me on
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#4009 [21:58] <TheNytangel> did you try connect from the in-browser game?
#4010 [21:58] <kermit> well shouldnt it work if i have it on my desktop downloaded?
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#4012 [21:59] <raskull> kermit: can you connect to other servers?
#4013 [21:59] <kermit> ihavent tried any others cuz im still new to this i bought it last night cuz i enjoyed it at my firends place
#4014 [22:01] <kermit> i paid for it last night with my creditcard shouldnt it work and all?
#4015 [22:01] <SkiingPenguins> can you play single player?
#4016 [22:02] <kermit> ya but now it keeps giving me a black screen and messing up
#4017 [22:02] <SkiingPenguins> is there an error file?
#4018 [22:03] <raskull> try connecting to a different server kermit
#4019 [22:03] <kermit> not that i know of.....i have it on my desktop and ill play for like 30 min or less and the screen will go black and it will say its not responding
#4020 [22:04] <TheNytangel> http://goo.gl/O16wi
#4021 [22:04] <McPlusPlus> HTTP Error 405: HTTP method POST is not supported by this URL (goo.gl)
#4022 [22:04] <TheNytangel> video card im getting :D
#4023 [22:05] <Kealper> FAIL
#4024 [22:05] <TheNytangel> ikr?
#4025 [22:05] <TheNytangel> :P
#4026 [22:05] <Kealper> (McPlusPlus, not your link)
#4027 [22:05] <TheNytangel> should i use tinyurl next time..?
#4028 [22:05] <AG_Scott> That bot was kicked for doing this yesterday
#4029 [22:05] <AG_Scott> why is it back? o.o
#4030 [22:06] <GreyVulpine> No it wasn't
#4031 [22:06] <GreyVulpine> vox was kicked
#4032 [22:06] <AG_Scott> it was.
#4033 [22:06] <AG_Scott> no, look at your logs
#4034 [22:06] <AG_Scott> McPlusPlus was too.
#4035 [22:06] <GreyVulpine> No, let me explain
#4036 [22:06] <TheNytangel> well, anyways, thats the video card i am getting :D
#4037 [22:06] <AG_Scott> GreyVulpine, after the issue with box
#4038 [22:06] <AG_Scott> vox*
#4039 [22:06] <AG_Scott> This happen later in the day
#4040 [22:06] <GreyVulpine> Ah
#4041 [22:06] <GreyVulpine> Well, easy fix
#4042 [22:06] <TheNytangel> no one cares? ok fine, im use to it
#4043 [22:07] <TheNytangel> :P
#4044 [22:07] <AG_Scott> also some one like randomly PM'd me.
#4045 [22:07] <AG_Scott> cat> having difficulty setting up server...any clue where I can get assistance?
#4046 [22:07] <AG_Scott> * cat has quit (Client Quit)
#4047 [22:07] <AG_Scott> ._.
#4048 [22:07] <GreyVulpine> Bah, one sec.
#4049 [22:07] <GreyVulpine> There's a.. command for McPlusPlus
#4050 [22:08] <GreyVulpine> google.com
#4051 [22:08] <GreyVulpine> er
#4052 [22:08] <GreyVulpine> www.google.com
#4053 [22:08] * GreyVulpine stabs McPlusPlus
#4053 [22:08] <GreyVulpine> http://google.com
#4054 [22:08] <McPlusPlus> "Google" at google.com
#4055 [22:08] <GreyVulpine> ~stfu
#4056 [22:08] <GreyVulpine> http://google.com
#4057 [22:09] <GreyVulpine> ~speak
#4058 [22:09] <GreyVulpine> http://google.com
#4059 [22:09] <McPlusPlus> "Google" at google.com
#4060 [22:09] <mitpatterson_> hey GreyVulpine did that one guy who you told to console ever come back?
#4061 [22:09] <GreyVulpine> Nope
#4062 [22:09] <GreyVulpine> ~stfu
#4063 [22:09] <mitpatterson_> lol, go hide
#4064 [22:09] <TheNytangel> is it sad that i know how to fly a plane, but not drive a car? >.>
#4065 [22:10] <SkiingPenguins> but how do you get to planes without a car?
#4066 [22:10] <TheNytangel> its called walking..
#4067 [22:10] <TheNytangel> dur
#4068 [22:10] <SkiingPenguins> o_O i guess im in a relatively rural area compared to you
#4069 [22:11] <TheNytangel> i live in town
#4070 [22:11] <TheNytangel> you can also ride a bike
#4071 [22:11] <SkiingPenguins> oh noes
#4072 [22:11] <TheNytangel> lol
#4073 [22:12] <TheNytangel> youtube always does that to me
#4074 [22:12] <TheNytangel> connection reset by peer..
#4075 [22:12] <GreyVulpine> ~speak
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#4077 [22:18] <nupanick> okay how does this work
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#4079 [22:18] <GreyVulpine> nupanick - use !check
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#4081 [22:18] <nupanick> !check
#4082 [22:18] <nupanick> !check 129.21.70.83
#4083 [22:18] <nupanick> well fuck
#4084 [22:18] <nupanick> how do I fix this?
#4085 [22:18] <GreyVulpine> Got a server running?
#4086 [22:18] <nupanick> I think so
#4087 [22:19] <GreyVulpine> You think so?
#4088 [22:19] <nupanick> I just downloaded and ran the server program
#4089 [22:19] <GreyVulpine> Okay, what else have you done?
#4090 [22:19] <nupanick> I can sort of connect fro my machine
#4091 [22:19] <GreyVulpine> Define, "sort of"
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#4093 [22:19] <nupanick> Sort of as in I think I'm running a server but nobody can connect to it but me so far.
#4094 [22:19] <oldtopman> !down
#4095 [22:19] <oldtopman> ...
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#4097 [22:20] <GreyVulpine> nupanick - Have you port forwarded?
#4098 [22:20] <nupanick> !check
#4099 [22:20] <TheNytangel> !check
#4100 [22:20] <oldtopman> Is minecraft.net up?
#4101 [22:20] <TheNytangel> lol
#4102 [22:20] <GreyVulpine> !isdown
#4103 [22:20] <GreyBot> GreyVulpine: It's just you. http://www.minecraft.net is up.
#4104 [22:20] <GreyVulpine> Yes it is
#4105 [22:20] <TheNytangel> no it isnt
#4106 [22:20] <TheNytangel> lol
#4107 [22:20] <oldtopman> And the auth half is up aswell?
#4108 [22:20] <nupanick> I dunno... can I port forward from a public wifi connection?
#4109 [22:20] <TheNytangel> >.>
#4110 [22:20] <GreyVulpine> Usually not
#4111 [22:20] <TheNytangel> no
#4112 [22:20] <oldtopman> nupanick: No
#4113 [22:21] <TheNytangel> are you at simonsons?
#4114 [22:21] <TheNytangel> lol jk
#4115 [22:21] <GreyVulpine> Yes it is
#4116 [22:21] <nupanick> no I'm at college
#4117 [22:21] <GreyVulpine> The auth is up for me
#4118 [22:21] <oldtopman> ...
#4119 [22:21] <oldtopman> Thanks for checking!
#4120 [22:21] <nupanick> I am going to go check if I can get permission to host something through my student account
#4121 [22:21] <TheNytangel> if minecraft.net was down, you would get a 503 error
#4122 [22:21] <nupanick> thanks for the help so far
#4123 [22:21] <TheNytangel> too late
#4124 [22:21] <nupanick> I might come back later
#4125 [22:25] <VoxelHead> mmm bread
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#4129 [22:29] <aetherian> hey guys
#4130 [22:29] <Thoatt> hai
#4131 [22:29] <aetherian> I'm installing a new os over this one
#4132 [22:29] <aetherian> think I should rm -rf / before I do it, just for fun?
#4133 [22:29] * AuBot kicked aetherian from #minecrafthelp (Reason: Please do not try tricking people with that.)
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#4135 [22:29] <AG_Scott> lol'd
#4136 [22:29] <aetherian> .-.
#4137 [22:29] <RF> no
#4138 [22:29] <TheNytangel> lol
#4139 [22:29] <RF> I don't like being rm'd
#4140 [22:30] <RF> it makes me cry
#4141 [22:30] <aetherian> rming myself >.>
#4142 [22:30] <Thoatt> no aetherian, you should rm -rf * /
#4143 [22:30] <dopeghoti> aetherian: only if you don't have any read-write network or removable media mounts.
#4144 [22:30] <relsqui> I've run rm -rf * in my homedir
#4145 [22:30] <relsqui> I don't recommend it.
#4146 [22:30] <RF> rm -rf --no-preserve-root /*
#4147 [22:30] <bread> lol
#4148 [22:30] <VoxelHead> Why don't you tell us your password as well?
#4149 [22:30] <Thoatt> Kealper's run rm -rf * / on one of my super pimped linux installs... with root...
#4150 [22:30] <AG_Scott> relsqui, why would you do that?
#4151 [22:30] <aetherian> VoxelHead: why sure, it's 12345
#4152 [22:30] <dopeghoti> o.O
#4153 [22:31] <dopeghoti> I have the same combination on my luggage!
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#4155 [22:31] <aetherian> :o
#4156 [22:31] <relsqui> AG_Scott: was in a terminal on a mobile phone, lagged, and thought I was in another directory
#4157 [22:31] <VoxelHead> Well slap my ass and call me susan.
#4158 [22:31] <Kealper> he said webmin wouldn't let anyone run that command
#4159 [22:31] <Kealper> so i did
#4160 [22:31] <RF> My luggage uses a key
#4161 [22:31] <aetherian> that's mean, kealper
#4162 [22:31] <AndrewPH|AFK> VoxelHead, no.
#4163 [22:31] <Thoatt> I siad that it /probably/ wouldn't lol
#4164 [22:31] * dopeghoti slaps Voxel and calls him Susan
#4164 [22:31] <VoxelHead> ow hey! that was my 2nd-to-last nose =(
#4165 [22:31] <aetherian> o.o
#4166 [22:31] <RF> keypairs > passwords
#4167 [22:31] <AG_Scott> fail relsqui :P
#4168 [22:32] <aetherian> first I gotta back stuff up...
#4169 [22:32] <AG_Scott> this is why you run Back In Time.
#4170 [22:32] <AG_Scott> It's like Time Machine but for Linux.
#4171 [22:32] <Sqozza> Hmm.
#4172 [22:32] <Sqozza> I am SO going to make a Tardis in minecraft.
#4173 [22:33] <Sqozza> With nether portals to make the inside seem bigger.
#4174 [22:33] <AG_Scott> afk
#4175 [22:33] <aetherian> a giant one?
#4176 [22:34] <dopeghoti> AG_Scott: I have not head of this
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#4178 [22:34] <RagaSalim> guys..i'm having some java problems. i tried to uninstall/reinstall java and it says it already exists. But when i try and run minecraft.exe it says "the registry refers to a nonexistent Java Runtime Environment installation or the runtime is corrupted. The system cannot find the path specified."
#4179 [22:34] <RagaSalim> but i can not haz java...
#4180 [22:35] <GreyVulpine> Try uninstalling it, running CCleaner, then running the installer for java again
#4181 [22:35] <dopeghoti> AG_Scott: *snrk* it says right on the tin that it's a set of rsync, diff, and cron sripts
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#4183 [22:36] <RagaSalim> there's nothing to uninstall, yet it says something is there. i'll try the ccleaner
#4184 [22:36] <TheNytangel> i think i can feel my stomach putting stuff into my small intestine..
#4185 [22:36] <dopeghoti> TheNytangel: that's abnormal.
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#4187 [22:36] <TheNytangel> or large
#4188 [22:36] <Kealper> oh hey....i totally just noticed the spaceballs reference.... +1 internets to dope
#4189 [22:36] <TheNytangel> whatever comes first
#4190 [22:36] <dopeghoti> Kealper: \o/
#4191 [22:36] <dopeghoti> TheNytangel: small, then large
#4192 [22:36] <TheNytangel> i knew it
#4193 [22:37] <TheNytangel> mouth, esophogus, stomach, small intestine, large intestine, toilet or ditch
#4194 [22:37] <TheNytangel> or pants
#4195 [22:37] <dopeghoti> TheNytangel: hopefully a rectum and anus in there somewhere, or at least a colostomy bag
#4196 [22:37] <TheNytangel> lol
#4197 [22:38] <TheNytangel> never said i was talking about peeing, i was talking about digestion
#4198 [22:38] <TheNytangel> i guess a toilet isnt included in digestion..
#4199 [22:38] <dopeghoti> generally not.
#4200 [22:38] <dopeghoti> nor, in most cases, pants.
#4201 [22:38] <TheNytangel> unless you sat on a toilet long enough and your skin grew around it
#4202 [22:38] <TheNytangel> :P
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#4205 [22:40] <TheNytangel> my dad talks to himself when he watches tv..
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#4207 [22:41] <aetherian> hey uhm uh
#4208 [22:41] <aetherian> bye
#4209 [22:41] <jercos> Evening ladies and gentlemen.
#4210 [22:41] * Glothek [Glothek@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#4211 [22:41] <aetherian> won't be back for over an hour, I'll miss you
#4212 [22:41] <aetherian> but when I come back, I'll be on 64 bit :D
#4213 [22:42] <jercos> I have LWJGL natives and jars replaced with symlinks to my distribution's versions. That provided, for a time, superior stability, but now leaves me unable to update minecraft. is there an option to disable updating LWJGL, and only update minecraft.jar, or do I have a life of swapping folders back and forth ahead of me?
#4214 [22:43] <VoxelHead> I wish they didn't have to go :(
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#4216 [22:44] * jercos gives VoxelHead pie
#4216 [22:44] <VoxelHead> :D
#4217 [22:44] <VoxelHead> thanks jercos
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#4219 [22:44] * VoxelHead eats pie
#4219 [22:45] <jercos> >.>
#4220 [22:45] <jercos> Nothing like a familiar face.
#4221 [22:45] <Kealper> lol
#4222 [22:45] <Kealper> vox, eat jercos
#4223 [22:45] <Kealper> fine, don't then
#4224 [22:45] <Kealper> :<
#4225 [22:48] <jercos> Lol
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#4227 [22:50] <RagaSalim> could my problems be connected to the fact that I used Java SE 7?
#4228 [22:50] <RagaSalim> the developer preview
#4229 [22:50] <MastaChudd> Anyone have any idea as to why I cannot access my inventory?
#4230 [22:52] <TheNytangel> wrong button
#4231 [22:52] <TheNytangel> :)
#4232 [22:52] <VoxelHead> =)
#4233 [22:53] <MastaChudd> nope im pressing "I" and im getting nothing
#4234 [22:53] <TheNytangel> should be E?
#4235 [22:53] <TheNytangel> i thought i saw something about that in the 1.4 update
#4236 [22:53] <TheNytangel> the default is now E instead of I or something
#4237 [22:53] <MastaChudd> hmmm ill check
#4238 [22:54] <MastaChudd> thats exactly what it was
#4239 [22:54] <MastaChudd> thank you
#4240 [22:54] <TheNytangel> :)
#4241 [22:54] <TheNytangel> now im as good as GreyVulpine :D
#4242 [22:55] <TheNytangel> right Voxel?
#4243 [22:55] <TheNytangel> :P
#4244 [22:55] <VoxelHead> i am not at liberty to discuss that
#4245 [22:55] <TheNytangel> D:
#4246 [22:56] <TheNytangel> ok.. Voxel, are you a bot? you seem like a bot to me
#4247 [22:56] <TheNytangel> but then again, you seem like a human
#4248 [22:56] <Kealper> vox isn't at liberty to discuss that, either apparent lol
#4249 [22:56] <Kealper> fail
#4250 [22:56] <TheNytangel> lol
#4251 [22:56] <Kealper> that either, apparently*
#4252 [22:57] <TheNytangel> oofta
#4253 [22:57] <Kealper> man...this Draw! program i'm making is coming along quite nicely
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#4255 [22:57] <TheNytangel> i had a new tab open, dont even know what website i was going to
#4256 [22:57] <TheNytangel> nerd..
#4257 [22:57] <TheNytangel> :)
#4258 [22:58] <Kealper> i happen
#4259 [22:58] <Kealper> lol
#4260 [22:58] <TheNytangel> i know some C++
#4261 [22:58] <TheNytangel> some
#4262 [22:58] <TheNytangel> keyword: some
#4263 [22:58] <Kealper> did you want to see what i have done so far? most people seem to be quite entertained by it for a few minutes lol
#4264 [22:58] <TheNytangel> sure
#4265 [22:58] * Kealper compiles
#4265 [22:58] <TheNytangel> lol
#4266 [22:59] <TheNytangel> o noes
#4267 [22:59] <TheNytangel> i have $.95 left on skype
#4268 [22:59] <TheNytangel> and no subscription
#4269 [22:59] <Kealper> :/
#4270 [22:59] <TheNytangel> ok
#4271 [22:59] <TheNytangel> wheres your program
#4272 [22:59] <Kealper> i should really make a custom icon for this though, it's getting cool enough to merit the time
#4273 [23:00] <Kealper> fighting with it to compile
#4274 [23:00] <Kealper> stupid upx hates to pack it, but it's like 2x the size without upx :/
#4275 [23:01] <Kealper> http://kealper.com/Draw.exe
#4276 [23:01] <TheNytangel> what is the prgram about?
#4277 [23:01] <TheNytangel> is it a shooter? :D
#4278 [23:01] <Kealper> multiplayer Paint
#4279 [23:01] <Kealper> lol
#4280 [23:01] <TheNytangel> lmao
#4281 [23:04] * TheBobber [TheBobber@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#4282 [23:04] <TheBobber> hi. anyone know what software was used to make the map on this page? http://hubpages.com/hub/Minecraft-14-How-To-Find-And-Tame-A-Wolf-Dog-Pet
#4283 [23:05] <GreyVulpine> probably c10t
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#4285 [23:07] <dopeghoti> actually, TheBobber, that looks like mcmap
#4286 [23:11] <TheBobber> I'll try both
#4287 [23:11] <TheBobber> someone made a hi-res model of the ghast in blender... is there a way to actually use it in game?
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#4290 [23:14] <Kealper> TheNytangel: it's not compiled yet lol....
#4291 [23:14] <aetherian> heya
#4292 [23:15] <TheNytangel> FU
#4293 [23:15] <TheNytangel> noob
#4294 [23:15] <VoxelHead> nooooooooooooooob
#4295 [23:15] <aetherian> heh
#4296 [23:15] <VoxelHead> ^_^
#4297 [23:15] <Kealper> i've still got a lot of work to do before it's compilable...the code is in there for lines now, but there is no way for a user to switch to them yet
#4298 [23:15] <nermon> i have a question
#4299 [23:15] <aetherian> whelp, just testing a bit of internet, bye again, gotta install a DE
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#4301 [23:16] <nermon> i am having the java problem
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#4303 [23:16] <nermon> where it quits after it hits 1 gig
#4304 [23:17] <nermon> anyone
#4305 [23:17] <TheNytangel> get a better hard drive?
#4306 [23:17] <TheNytangel> lol
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#4308 [23:17] <Jackson413> hey kealper
#4309 [23:17] <mr_sticky> GUYS I NEED HELP PLOX
#4310 [23:17] <TheNytangel> im jk, cool down man
#4311 [23:17] <TheNytangel> DONT ASK
#4312 [23:17] <TheNytangel> just ask
#4313 [23:18] <VoxelHead> blimey
#4314 [23:18] * Kealper waves Jackson413
#4314 [23:18] <Thoatt> fml
#4315 [23:18] <Kealper> fail
#4316 [23:18] <mr_sticky> k so i updated to 1.4 and now i cant log online
#4317 [23:18] <Kealper> forgot "to"
#4318 [23:18] <Jackson413> Kealper: i have an idear 4 ye
#4319 [23:18] <TheNytangel> :o
#4320 [23:18] <TheNytangel> nowai
#4321 [23:18] <VoxelHead> sacrebleu!
#4322 [23:18] <Kealper> :o
#4323 [23:18] <TheNytangel> good luck with that, mr_sticky
#4324 [23:18] <VoxelHead> well, well slap my ass and call me a quim-numpty
#4325 [23:18] <Kealper> mr_sticky: what does it say when you try?
#4326 [23:18] <mr_sticky> but what am i to do :o
#4327 [23:18] <mitpatterson_> Thoatt, did it crash your client?
#4328 [23:18] <TheNytangel> google
#4329 [23:19] <Jackson413> Kealper: make ur servermod available to the public, and call it kMod
#4330 [23:19] <Thoatt> yeah lol
#4331 [23:19] <nermon> ok so this is the help irc isn't it
#4332 [23:19] <mitpatterson_> lol, it froze mine for a sec
#4333 [23:19] <Jackson413> k for kealper
#4334 [23:19] <mr_sticky> when i start up the launcher
#4335 [23:19] <Kealper> Jackson413: it's not cool enough lol
#4336 [23:19] <mitpatterson_> and 2011-04-01 23:17:36 [WARNING] Can't keep up! Did the system time change, or is the server overloaded?
#4337 [23:19] <mr_sticky> and choose log on
#4338 [23:19] <Jackson413> Kealper: its fucking sic
#4339 [23:19] <nermon> why the hell is no one helping anyone
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#4341 [23:19] <Jackson413> spic
#4342 [23:19] <VoxelHead> Choose a three-piece suite on hire purchase in a range of fucking fabrics.
#4343 [23:19] <mr_sticky> it says cant connect to minecraft.net
#4344 [23:19] <Jackson413> epic
#4345 [23:19] <Kealper> Jackson413: and it's probably windows-only....i've never tried it under wine
#4346 [23:19] <mr_sticky> i have windows
#4347 [23:19] <TheNytangel> Kealper
#4348 [23:20] <TheNytangel> check draw chat
#4349 [23:20] <mr_sticky> wat is that
#4350 [23:20] <Kealper> mr_sticky: minecraft.net might be having problems with the client login right now
#4351 [23:20] <Kealper> mr_sticky: try using the browser version at http://minecraft.net
#4352 [23:21] <mr_sticky> so should i just wait a while
#4353 [23:21] <Kealper> that usually works when downloaded client logins are failing
#4354 [23:23] <RagaSalim> i'm getting a fatal error (4): connection reset. retrieving minecraft.jar
#4355 [23:24] <RagaSalim> what be?
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#4357 [23:27] <RagaSalim> (waiting patiently)
#4358 [23:27] <TheBobber> hmm.... so what's this about spawning wild chests & a minecraft store in game?
#4359 [23:28] <dopeghoti> TheBobber: Look at the date, sir.
#4360 [23:30] <TheBobber> mmm
#4361 [23:30] <TheBobber> time to change the calander too
#4362 [23:31] <TheBobber> ok, thanks
#4363 [23:31] <TheBobber> firefox memory leaking again... gotta go
#4364 [23:39] <Kouken> Am I screwed? My upload speed is rediculously slow and I need to upload Essentials Protect
#4365 [23:39] <Kouken> Is there anything I can do
#4366 [23:39] <Kouken> I can't just wait it out as eventually the upload expires around 15% of the way
#4367 [23:39] <Bob_Sack> well you're kinda asking if u can walk without legs
#4368 [23:39] <lemon-rev> yea pay for extra bandwith
#4369 [23:40] <Kouken> Is this version of essentials protect the same as the last?
#4370 [23:40] <Kouken> They are the same sizes
#4371 [23:40] <lemon-rev> what is this essentials your talking about protect is like virus scanner ?
#4372 [23:41] <GreyVulpine> It's a bukkit plugin
#4373 [23:41] <lemon-rev> oh
#4374 [23:41] <lemon-rev> kouken take your business somewhere else please we dont help with mods
#4375 [23:43] <RagaSalim> could i possibly be in a void of updating? messed up my bin before 1.4, now when i try and redownload it wants to update and nothing ends up happening?
#4376 [23:43] <RagaSalim> i get a fatal error (4) connection reset
#4377 [23:44] <lemon-rev> ragasalim
#4378 [23:44] <lemon-rev> copy your save game worlds somewhere else other from .minecraft saves
#4379 [23:44] <lemon-rev> and kill the totall directory
#4380 [23:44] <RagaSalim> already done
#4381 [23:44] <lemon-rev> and try and get it done again
#4382 [23:44] <RagaSalim> and by that you mean delete the .minecraft folder?
#4383 [23:45] <lemon-rev> yes
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#4385 [23:46] <Bob_Sack> i dont think you ever need to download .minecraft
#4386 [23:46] <Bob_Sack> just bin
#4387 [23:46] <Bob_Sack> delete*
#4388 [23:46] <lemon-rev> bob thing is hes mc is completely curled over
#4389 [23:46] <lemon-rev> its best to start totally refresh
#4390 [23:47] <RagaSalim> "i need permission to perform this action" [delete]
#4391 [23:47] <RagaSalim> what the heck
#4392 [23:47] <lemon-rev> lol, wtf, ctrl + alt + del see if miencraft is running in the background ?
#4393 [23:48] <RagaSalim> no :(
#4394 [23:48] <lemon-rev> well then right click on the .minecraft directoy and see if you have admin priv on
#4395 [23:49] <RagaSalim> ok well i just deleted everything separately in the folder and then the folder itself
#4396 [23:49] <RagaSalim> for some reason it will let me do that
#4397 [23:49] <Bob_Sack> that happens with me a lot
#4398 [23:49] <lemon-rev> ok
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#4400 [23:50] <RagaSalim> but i'm pretty sure i did this earlier and it still somehow recalls the file location when i log in
#4401 [23:50] <Bob_Sack> sometimes i'll get empty protected folders, but nothing inside them was protected =P
#4402 [23:50] <RagaSalim> it sort of appears out of nowhere
#4403 [23:50] <RagaSalim> yeah
#4404 [23:50] <RagaSalim> but i'll try again
#4405 [23:50] <RagaSalim> so i should now run minecraft.exe, and it will hopefully redownload before updating to 1.4?
#4406 [23:51] <lemon-rev> yes
#4407 [23:53] <RagaSalim> now it's just doing the same thing as before, where it will say "downloading packages retrieving:______.jar 2%"
#4408 [23:53] <RagaSalim> it will just be stuck
#4409 [23:53] <RagaSalim> and then the fatal error
#4410 [23:53] <VoxelHead> Mmm jdodson99.
#4411 [23:53] <lemon-rev> ragasalim what about right clicking on minecraft.exe or what the file is your runing from and seeing if theres something not engabled
#4412 [23:53] <lemon-rev> also check your virus scanner to see if its blocking it
#4413 [23:54] <RagaSalim> what am i looking for when right clicking minecraft.exe
#4414 [23:54] <RagaSalim> there's just open, open containing folder
#4415 [23:55] <RagaSalim> checking virus scanner
#4416 [23:55] <lemon-rev> is there like properties and stuff
#4417 [23:55] <RagaSalim> yeah
#4418 [23:56] <RagaSalim> ....
#4419 [23:56] <RagaSalim> there was an unblock button
#4420 [23:56] <RagaSalim> motherfucker
#4421 [23:56] <lemon-rev> ok , so it looks good now ?
#4422 [23:57] <RagaSalim> i'm trying it again but it still looks doubtful
#4423 [23:57] <lemon-rev> hm
#4424 [23:57] <lemon-rev> wired
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#4426 [23:58] <RagaSalim> yeah man.
#4427 [23:58] <RagaSalim> i really appreciate the help though
#4428 [23:58] <lemon-rev> ragasalim , does it still get stuck ?
#4429 [23:58] <lemon-rev> at 2%
#4430 [23:58] <RagaSalim> it's just so frustrating when i've paid good money
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#4432 [23:59] <RagaSalim> yeah it varies
#4433 [23:59] <lemon-rev> well its now the computers fault and not yours, it appears
#4434 [23:59] <RagaSalim> anywhere from 2-30%
#4435 [23:59] <lemon-rev> well ok
#4436 [23:59] <lemon-rev> if you can get to %30
#4437 [23:59] <RagaSalim> all when trying to retrieve .jar files
#4438 [23:59] <lemon-rev> can you get that to happen via the browswer ?
#4439 [23:59] <lemon-rev> i have gotten other people up and running via the broweswer before they had to get into there own exe