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#6 [00:28] <Neotamer1> Hello?
#7 [00:28] <Neotamer1> I need help, is this the right area?
#8 [00:29] <GreyVulpine> YEs
#9 [00:30] <Neotamer1> Minecraft is complaining about a driver arror or something of the like.
#10 [00:30] <Neotamer1> Error
#11 [00:36] <relsqui> Neotamer1: and are your drivers up to date?
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#13 [00:38] <GreyVulpine> What is the error?
#14 [00:38] <GreyVulpine> Can you pastebin.com it?
#15 [00:43] <Neotamer1> hold on
#16 [00:43] <Neotamer1> http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=281612&p=3929545#p3929545
#17 [00:45] <GreyVulpine> Alright, that's just a simple video drivers out of date error
#18 [00:45] <GreyVulpine> Have you looked at updating your video drivers?
#19 [00:45] <VoxelHead> Can i ask the audience?
#20 [00:48] <VoxelHead> mmm aetherian
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#26 [00:51] <Neotamer> Got DCed, i'm the same guy as last time.
#27 [00:51] <Wug> did I miss something
#28 [00:52] <Neotamer> Good question. I had posted a link from the Forum detailing assistance requested due to the fect Minecraft seems to hate me.
#29 [00:53] <Wug> I missed the link, could you report
#30 [00:53] <Wug> post*
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#32 [00:54] <DopeGhoti> Neotamer: the advice was to update your video drivers, sir or ma'am or other.
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#34 [00:57] <aetherian> bye!
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#36 [01:00] <TitanicMustSink> Hey I'm really sorry if this wasn't where I should have gone, but I was wondering if a Intel(R) Q965/Q963 Express Chipset Family was a good enough video card to run Minecraft?
#37 [01:01] <Wug> intel integrated graphics generally perform poorly
#38 [01:01] <Wug> avoid if possible.
#39 [01:02] <Neotamer> what about Nvida?
#40 [01:02] <Wug> well
#41 [01:02] <TitanicMustSink> Yeah, I know, I know it usto run before I restored my computer, but now it wont, just wanted to see if it was my video card, or something else
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#43 [01:02] <Wug> nvidia cards tend to do better
#44 [01:02] <TitanicMustSink> I thought I had a Nvida
#45 [01:02] <aetherian> I'll be back in ~10-30 minutes, guys.
#46 [01:02] <Wug> have you installed your drivers?
#47 [01:03] <VoxelHead> it wasn't me
#48 [01:03] <Neotamer> Not sure how.
#49 [01:03] <Wug> stuff it vox :3
#50 [01:03] <TitanicMustSink> Yeah, just took care of all of that
#51 [01:04] <Wug> does it give you an error? pastebin it please (or just post it if it's short)
#52 [01:04] <TitanicMustSink> I can play, but I can't see anything
#53 [01:04] <Wug> uuhh
#54 [01:04] <Neotamer> k
#55 [01:05] <Neotamer> Bad video card drivers! ----------------------- Minecraft was unable to start because it failed to find an accelerated OpenGL mode. This can usually be fixed by updating the video card drivers. --- BEGIN ERROR REPORT 7fe0271 -------- Generated 4/13/11 12:05 AM Minecraft: Minecraft Beta 1.4_01 OS: Windows 7 (x86) version 6.1 Java:
#56 [01:05] <TitanicMustSink> It usto give me a opengl error, but I fixed that, so now it's just all weird
#57 [01:05] <Wug> neotamer, does it have a link to try downloading updated graphics drivers?
#58 [01:06] <TitanicMustSink> Yeah, it did that, but I did this thing, and it stopped doing that, but then I couldn't play WoW, so I had to fix my drivers
#59 [01:06] <Neotamer> no it doesnt
#60 [01:07] <Wug> you said you have an nvidia card? it's something like www.nvidia.com
#61 [01:07] <Wug> titanic, are you on a laptop
#62 [01:07] <TitanicMustSink> No
#63 [01:08] <Wug> you're sure you have your drivers set up and installed properly?
#64 [01:08] <Neotamer> Lelle check
#65 [01:09] <TitanicMustSink> I was just on another chat site, and they helped me with all that, according to driver agent, my video card drivers are fine
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#67 [01:09] <TitanicMustSink> but before i restored my computer, I had the option for 64 bit color quality and now I don't
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#69 [01:10] <Dragonbut> Hai
#70 [01:13] <GreyVulpine> No such thing as 64 bit color
#71 [01:14] <GreyVulpine> may have had 64 colors..
#72 [01:16] <Dragonbut> Anyone know how to change the spawn in SMP?
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#74 [01:16] <Wug> pr
#75 [01:17] <Dragonbut> Pr?
#76 [01:17] <Wug> that was supposed to be typed onto my desktop
#77 [01:17] <Wug> pchat y u grab focus
#78 [01:17] <Dragonbut> Oh okay XD
#79 [01:18] <Neotamer> why does my computer complain about Nvidia Nforce?
#80 [01:20] <TitanicMustSink> So do you think there is any hope for me except buying a new video card
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#83 [01:24] <Dragonbut> How do you look at the front of you?
#84 [01:24] <Dragonbut> F5 then what?
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#89 [02:00] <aetherian> AuBot: why the ` D:
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#99 [02:37] <Bailey> Can anyone help me set up a Beta server, I need more ram on a 64 bit, if anyone can use Teamviewer to just do it for me, that'd be easier, but if you can explain how im all ears :)
#100 [02:37] <Bailey> Because the server only shows blue and some random monsters when I connect.
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#102 [02:40] <lemon-rev> ok do you have a router
#103 [02:40] <aetherian> heh
#104 [02:40] <VoxelHead> =]
#105 [02:40] <aetherian> :D
#106 [02:40] <Bailey> yes.
#107 [02:40] <lemon-rev> aetherian you poking fun :P
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#109 [02:40] <aetherian> not poking
#110 [02:40] <aetherian> more like stabbing
#111 [02:40] <lemon-rev> hahahahahha
#112 [02:41] <lemon-rev> your trying :)
#113 [02:41] <Bailey> I have a router.
#114 [02:41] <lemon-rev> bailey look up port forward on 25565
#115 [02:41] <lemon-rev> for your router
#116 [02:41] <aetherian> well, you need to port forward later
#117 [02:41] <aetherian> but right now
#118 [02:41] <aetherian> your problem is the blue thing
#119 [02:41] <Bailey> yes, the server works, just nothing loads.
#120 [02:41] <aetherian> I assume the server has been restarted
#121 [02:42] <Bailey> yea, i tried that a few times
#122 [02:42] <aetherian> are you connecting from the same computer?
#123 [02:42] <Bailey> yes.
#124 [02:42] <aetherian> and you are using 127.0.0.1 for the IP?
#125 [02:42] <Bailey> um i dont think soo..
#126 [02:43] <Bailey> im not sure a friend set it up for me.
#127 [02:43] <aetherian> do so.
#128 [02:43] <aetherian> that is
#129 [02:43] <aetherian> on the client (minecraft.jar/exe)
#130 [02:43] <aetherian> when you go to multiplayer, type in 127.0.0.1
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#132 [02:43] <Bailey> k
#133 [02:44] <aetherian> if you were not using it before, then try to connect now.
#134 [02:44] <Bailey> i tried that it says cannot connect to server.
#135 [02:44] <aetherian> are you sure you typed it in correctly
#136 [02:45] <Bailey> in the multiplayer thing yes.
#137 [02:45] <Bailey> idk if it has been changed to it in the jar file.
#138 [02:45] <aetherian> and you said the client (minecraft.jar) is running on the same computer as the server (minecraft_server.jar)
#139 [02:46] <Bailey> everything has been done on the same computer yes.
#140 [02:46] <aetherian> in the same directory (folder) as minecraft_server.jar, there should be a file by the name of server.properties
#141 [02:46] <aetherian> did you change anything in it?
#142 [02:47] <Bailey> 1 sec
#143 [02:47] <aetherian> specifically
#144 [02:47] <aetherian> is there anything in the line indicating IP
#145 [02:47] <aetherian> if so, then remove it.
#146 [02:48] <Bailey> it says, my ip adress
#147 [02:48] <aetherian> line... nine should be "server-ip="
#148 [02:48] <Bailey> change that?
#149 [02:48] <aetherian> nothing after the equals
#150 [02:48] <Bailey> yes i see that
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#152 [02:48] <Bailey> mine has an ip number there
#153 [02:48] <Bailey> remove it?
#154 [02:48] <VoxelHead> The answer lies in the stars
#155 [02:48] <aetherian> yes.
#156 [02:48] <VoxelHead> bugger off there and find it.
#157 [02:48] <aetherian> shut up vox
#158 [02:48] <VoxelHead> nnk
#159 [02:48] <Bailey> k its removed.
#160 [02:49] <aetherian> now save that file
#161 [02:49] <aetherian> and restart the server
#162 [02:49] <Bailey> leave it blank right?
#163 [02:49] <aetherian> yes
#164 [02:50] <aetherian> if you want to know why, basically 'tis for computers with more than one address
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#166 [02:50] <Bailey> k
#167 [02:50] <Bailey> i did that
#168 [02:50] <Bailey> still blue
#169 [02:51] <aetherian> but you can connect
#170 [02:51] <aetherian> that's a start
#171 [02:51] <Bailey> k
#172 [02:51] <aetherian> I trust you are now connecting to 127.0.0.1, anyways.
#173 [02:51] <Bailey> are people on other computers on a different router going to be able to connect to?
#174 [02:51] <Bailey> yes, thats correct
#175 [02:51] <aetherian> not yet, we'll get to that.
#176 [02:52] <aetherian> first, how powerful is your computer: that is, it may not be powerful enough to run the server and the client together efficiently.
#177 [02:52] <Bailey> i have no idea
#178 [02:52] <Bailey> its a Dell Inspiron Laptop
#179 [02:52] <Bailey> with Windows 7
#180 [02:52] <aetherian> okay, I can look that up to get a general feeling.
#181 [02:52] <aetherian> is it relatively new?
#182 [02:52] <Bailey> k
#183 [02:52] <Bailey> Uh
#184 [02:52] <Bailey> year and a half
#185 [02:53] <aetherian> is it ~15 inches?
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#187 [02:53] <aetherian> the screen, anyway
#188 [02:53] <Bailey> sounds about right
#189 [02:53] <Bailey> looks like it
#190 [02:54] <Bailey> its 12-18 for sure so yea probably 15
#191 [02:54] <aetherian> okay.
#192 [02:55] <aetherian> there is a good chance your computer can't support this.
#193 [02:55] <lemon-rev> aetherian why dont you just ask for model and look it up, instead of silly quiestions like how big is monitor
#194 [02:55] <lemon-rev> lol
#195 [02:55] <aetherian> lemon-rev: he doesn't know the model .-.
#196 [02:55] <lemon-rev> it should be on bottem
#197 [02:55] <lemon-rev> or near the screen
#198 [02:55] <aetherian> anyway, click on the start menu
#199 [02:55] <aetherian> and...
#200 [02:55] <aetherian> right click on my computer, and go to... properties, if memory serves.
#201 [02:55] <Bailey> PP41L is the model.
#202 [02:56] <lemon-rev> under the bottem of the laptop middle should have a grey tag with lots of crap on it, if thats not there then something is greatly missing
#203 [02:56] <Bailey> k i did that ae
#204 [02:56] <Bailey> or model is
#205 [02:56] <lemon-rev> Dell Inspiron PP41L laptop
#206 [02:56] <Bailey> Inspiron 1545
#207 [02:56] <lemon-rev> there
#208 [02:56] <aetherian> if this is where I think it is
#209 [02:56] <lemon-rev> :P
#210 [02:56] <Bailey> one of those
#211 [02:56] <aetherian> then...
#212 [02:57] <aetherian> you should now be able to tell me how much RAM you have, for starters
#213 [02:57] <Bailey> 4GB
#214 [02:57] <aetherian> processor?
#215 [02:57] <Wug> personally
#216 [02:57] <Bailey> Pentium(R) Dual Core-Cpu
#217 [02:58] <Bailey> GHz
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#219 [02:58] <aetherian> that's fine.
#220 [02:58] <Wug> in my opinion, anyone who cannot list the resolutions of their monitors off the top of their heads should be sent to jail
#221 [02:58] <Bailey> lol
#222 [02:58] <aetherian> haha
#223 [02:58] <aetherian> 1680*1050
#224 [02:59] <aetherian> and the one that's plugged into my computer is 1600*1200
#225 [02:59] <aetherian> laptop with dual monitor ftw
#226 [02:59] <aetherian> but back to bails
#227 [02:59] <Bailey> lol
#228 [02:59] <aetherian> I could be entirely wrong, but I don't think that that processor is quite powerful enough for this task.
#229 [02:59] <Wug> I know mine. I have 2 at 1920x1080 on my desktop, a 1440x900 on my laptop, and my home desktop has 1280x1024, and my home media pc has a 1280x1024 and a 1920x1080
#230 [03:00] <Bailey> so i should forget about it then? :P
#231 [03:00] <Wug> (and my ipod is 320x240)
#232 [03:00] <aetherian> most likely.
#233 [03:00] <Bailey> alrighty, ill get a friend to run one then :P
#234 [03:00] <aetherian> Wug: you mean lolpod?
#235 [03:00] <Bailey> thanks for your time :D
#236 [03:00] <aetherian> or theoretically
#237 [03:00] <aetherian> you could pay the moneys and rent one
#238 [03:01] <Bailey> naww :P
#239 [03:01] <aetherian> ;)
#240 [03:01] <Wug> do me a favor bailey, go download wprime, restrict it to one core, take the 32m test, and tell me your score
#241 [03:01] <VoxelHead> :-)
#242 [03:01] <Bailey> idk what wprime is :P
#243 [03:01] <Wug> its a benchmarking program
#244 [03:01] <Bailey> idk what that is either :P
#245 [03:01] <aetherian> Wug: I think that it's more important to know how much RAM you have than to know monitor resolutions
#246 [03:01] <Wug> i'll be able to tell if you can run minecraft well based on your score
#247 [03:02] <aetherian> what about GPU?
#248 [03:02] <aetherian> or does it test that as well?
#249 [03:02] <Bailey> meh, ill get a friend to run one :P
#250 [03:02] <Wug> aetherian - I know, but most (normal) people don't spend all day looking at their ram lol
#251 [03:02] <Bailey> thanks, bye :D
#252 [03:02] <Wug> np
#253 [03:02] <aetherian> most normal people don't spend all day looking at config files that would tell them their resolution
#254 [03:02] <aetherian> :O
#255 [03:02] <VoxelHead> Well slap my ass and call me susan.
#256 [03:03] * Wug slaps voxelhead's ass
#256 [03:03] <VoxelHead> Ow! that was my emergency spare tooth :'(
#257 [03:03] <aetherian> but I still dun' get my computer
#258 [03:03] <Wug> NO IT WASN
#259 [03:03] <Wug> T
#260 [03:03] <aetherian> it should have 4GB RAM
#261 [03:03] <aetherian> yet
#262 [03:03] <aetherian> according to everything
#263 [03:03] <aetherian> I have somewhere between 3.5 and 4, I forget the exact
#264 [03:03] <Wug> 32 bit system?
#265 [03:04] <aetherian> it should be sixty-four
#266 [03:04] <Wug> *should* xP
#267 [03:04] <aetherian> according to the kernel, for one thing
#268 [03:04] <Wug> what os are you using
#269 [03:05] <aetherian> #!
#270 [03:05] <Wug> idk how to tell bit depth on linux
#271 [03:05] <aetherian> according to /proc/meminfo
#272 [03:05] <aetherian> 4045088kB is what I have
#273 [03:05] <aetherian> D:
#274 [03:06] <Wug> lol
#275 [03:06] <aetherian> 3.857696533 GB, rougly
#276 [03:06] <Wug> do you have a 128MB video card?
#277 [03:06] <Wug> if you do
#278 [03:06] <aetherian> 1024MB video card (if all THAT shows up o.o)
#279 [03:06] <Wug> I bet some is reserved for that, and the rest is reserved for other things
#280 [03:07] <Wug> dedicated video ram usually never shows up
#281 [03:07] <aetherian> I have a gigabyte gpu :|
#282 [03:07] <aetherian> but...
#283 [03:07] <Wug> but sometimes video cards require additional main memory
#284 [03:07] <GreyVulpine> Pfft
#285 [03:07] <aetherian> You'd think it'd still show up in MemTotal
#286 [03:07] <Wug> which also doesn't show up
#287 [03:07] <Wug> you'd think
#288 [03:08] <aetherian> yeah
#289 [03:08] <aetherian> I would
#290 [03:08] <Wug> do you have a bad stick or something
#291 [03:08] <GreyVulpine> Most likely, it's reserved for the OS
#292 [03:08] <aetherian> "you'd think" that'd still show up D:
#293 [03:09] <aetherian> (in /proc/meminfo)
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#296 [03:10] <aetherian> if that's so grey
#297 [03:10] <aetherian> then is there any way to figure out from the OS how much RAM one has (on linux [debian/GNU])
#298 [03:11] <aetherian> oh sure, just leave.
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#300 [03:12] <Pink> Hi there! I'm looking for help with redstone and double doors, can anyone spare some time?
#301 [03:12] <aetherian> well
#302 [03:12] <aetherian> I was going to kill it
#303 [03:12] <aetherian> but I guess I can spare it.
#304 [03:12] <Pink> haha
#305 [03:12] <aetherian> :|
#306 [03:12] <VoxelHead> the giant flesh-eating demon squid has escaped! security! protect your master! GIR! Defensive mode!
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#308 [03:12] <Pink> I'll take that as a yes
#309 [03:13] <Pink> Is it possible to make an output-open double door?
#310 [03:13] <Pink> As in, you can't simply put a redstone torch infront of either door to open it?
#311 [03:14] <aetherian> uh
#312 [03:15] <Wug> update on the minecraft source code situation: I have a bunch of files fully deobfuscated, and significantly more are pretty far along.
#313 [03:15] <aetherian> you can put a torch in front of a door and that should open it...
#314 [03:15] <aetherian> Wug: PIRATE D:<
#315 [03:15] <aetherian> heh
#316 [03:15] <Pink> yeah, i'm trying to make it so the torch won't open it
#317 [03:15] <VoxelHead> ^_^
#318 [03:15] <Wug> the rules say i's allowed to
#319 [03:15] <aetherian> vox, courtmartial wug
#320 [03:15] * VoxelHead throws wug in the brig to await charges
#320 [03:15] * Wug dodges
#320 [03:15] <aetherian> you were too slow
#321 [03:15] <Wug> voxelhead, release wug
#322 [03:16] <aetherian> Pink: only by countering it with a torch underneath the door
#323 [03:16] <aetherian> but then the torch underneath it will trigger it
#324 [03:16] <aetherian> unless the other torch is there
#325 [03:16] <VoxelHead> Wug, you are charged with teaching the replicators to make decaffinated beverages, and existing.
#326 [03:16] <VoxelHead> You have been found guilty, and are sentenced to lick clean. And may God have mercy on your soul.
#327 [03:16] <Pink> yeah. I know how to do that with a single door...
#328 [03:16] <aetherian> or something
#329 [03:16] <Pink> But I can't do it with a double
#330 [03:16] <Wug> lick clean... what?
#331 [03:16] * Wug shudders
#331 [03:16] <aetherian> put one under each...?
#332 [03:16] <aetherian> Wug: oboy
#333 [03:17] <Pink> it only works with one door. If you try it with a typical double door it won't work, and I can't figure out how to align it so they match up, but aren't opened with a torch
#334 [03:18] <aetherian> tnt can make it so that the doors aren't triggered
#335 [03:18] <aetherian> ever.
#336 [03:18] <Pink> not exactly the effect I want
#337 [03:18] <aetherian> I like the effect
#338 [03:18] <aetherian> psst wug, what OS you run
#339 [03:18] <Pink> hmmm
#340 [03:18] <Pink> guess I have to keep looking
#341 [03:19] <Wug> windoze xp atm
#342 [03:19] <Wug> vox, courtmartial voxelhead
#343 [03:19] <Pink> Thanks for the help aetherian
#344 [03:19] <aetherian> Wug: you may need this. http://i.imgur.com/bV9l2.jpg
#345 [03:19] <VoxelHead> Duh.
#346 [03:19] <Pink> see you guys around
#347 [03:19] <aetherian> (trolol)
#348 [03:19] <Wug> bahahaha thats very funny and also the first time i've ever seen that image before ever.
#349 [03:19] <VoxelHead> I have had enough of your smelly mouth filled with raspberries.
#350 [03:20] <Wug> vox is trolling :)
#351 [03:20] <Wug> I have taught him well
#352 [03:20] <aetherian> Wug: you sound sarcastic :o
#353 [03:20] <Wug> noep. not a bit
#354 [03:20] <Wug> never ever
#355 [03:20] <Wug> not me
#356 [03:21] <Wug> how could you
#357 [03:21] <aetherian> oh okay
#358 [03:21] <aetherian> how could I?
#359 [03:21] <aetherian> like this:
#360 [03:21] * Wug stuffs fingers in ears
#360 [03:21] <aetherian> PRIVMSG #minecrafthelp Wug: you sound sarcastic :o
#361 [03:21] <Wug> lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala
#362 [03:21] <aetherian> that's how I could
#363 [03:22] <Wug> you should use amsg instead. it's like private message but better. a stands for annoying, it makes the window fly around and stuff
#364 [03:22] <aetherian> hehehe
#365 [03:22] <Wug> make sure you also mention how much you hate IRC ops
#366 [03:22] <VoxelHead> =D
#367 [03:23] <aetherian> Wug: I'll rant about that in #mcchatter
#368 [03:23] <aetherian> :|
#369 [03:23] <aetherian> which you aren't in :O
#370 [03:23] <Wug> so the minecraft source code totals something on the order of 90000 lines
#371 [03:23] <aetherian> don't you enjoy chatter?
#372 [03:24] <aetherian> pfft only 90000 lines.
#373 [03:24] <aetherian> heh.
#374 [03:25] * Wug goes back to coding
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#376 [03:30] <Aska990> hi
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#378 [03:34] <aetherian> hi
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#382 [03:40] <mib_tyx2hz> im new in mine craft beta how can i download an adventure like israphel
#383 [03:40] <GreyVulpine> Adventure?
#384 [03:40] <VoxelHead> so, like, fuck your riddles, you gigantic mystic arsehole!
#385 [03:40] <mib_tyx2hz> like a story or a quest
#386 [03:41] <aetherian> uh
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#388 [03:41] <aetherian> there really isn't any.
#389 [03:41] <DopeGhoti> There are some savefiles people have constructed that are puzzles
#390 [03:41] <GreyVulpine> You might need to give us a link
#391 [03:41] <DopeGhoti> that's che closest thing
#392 [03:41] <TheBix> hey what does the minecraft server do with invalid utf-8 characters?
#393 [03:42] <TheBix> does it just leave them out?
#394 [03:42] <DopeGhoti> TheBix: IME, ignores them
#395 [03:42] <_303> there is the adventurecraft total conversion mod with zelda like adventures, but we mustn't talk about mods here
#396 [03:42] <mib_tyx2hz> how do i get one of those files
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#398 [03:42] <GreyVulpine> You can talk about mods here.
#399 [03:42] <TheBix> like doesn't place any replacement characters or anything in the string?
#400 [03:42] <GreyVulpine> We've got nothing against it here
#401 [03:42] <_303> oh?
#402 [03:42] <TheArtful> I'll destroy some cobblestone and it'll instantly reappear. After breaking the block, I don't see the number of cobble stone increase inside my inventory... so I'm Not suure if another is filling it's place or not.
#403 [03:43] <TheArtful> Any suggestions on making it so this doesn't happen?
#404 [03:43] <TheBix> if its a cobble generator
#405 [03:43] <DopeGhoti> TheBix: In my experience, characters without a "font" entry are simply ignored
#406 [03:43] <TheBix> it might be falling in the lavas.
#407 [03:43] <TheArtful> Hmm really?
#408 [03:43] <TheArtful> I don't see any lava
#409 [03:43] <aetherian> GreyVulpine: but we mustn't :o
#410 [03:43] <TheBix> oh.
#411 [03:43] <DopeGhoti> TheBix: are you near spawn?
#412 [03:43] <aetherian> else the fifth wall will collapse!
#413 [03:43] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, the deal with mods on this channel, is that, to give helpers a break, official support for mods isn't forced on them, so we don't have to learn 50 bazillion different combinations of mods to help with
#414 [03:43] <GreyVulpine> Feel free to talk about mods all you want here.
#415 [03:43] <TheArtful> The cobble stone directly infront of me fills right back in
#416 [03:43] <aetherian> it's faaaalllliiiinggggg
#417 [03:44] <TheBix> o
#418 [03:44] <GreyVulpine> You can ask for it, but just don't expect official help here.
#419 [03:44] <TheArtful> really.. I'll check around and see if theres lava
#420 [03:44] <TheArtful> thanks guys
#421 [03:44] * aetherian was just crushed by the fifth wall
#421 [03:44] <TheArtful> actually
#422 [03:44] <TheArtful> I checked underneath it all
#423 [03:44] <TheArtful> There's no lava, just the unbreakable blocks
#424 [03:44] <VoxelHead> watch out for the moose but what would I know
#425 [03:45] <DopeGhoti> TheArtful: Is this near spawn?
#426 [03:45] <TheArtful> Which spawn do you mean?
#427 [03:45] <DopeGhoti> The point at which you spawn into the server when you first connect, or after dying
#428 [03:46] <TheArtful> not to near
#429 [03:46] <TheArtful> I would say hundreds of blocks away maybe?
#430 [03:47] <DopeGhoti> hm
#431 [03:48] <aetherian> good night, monsieurs
#432 [03:48] <TheArtful> you could connect to my server and see perhaps?
#433 [03:48] * aetherian looks around
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#434 [03:48] <aetherian> okay, no monsieurs, but anyway, good night... humans or non-humans
#435 [03:48] <Dazuro> Um, it just told me "login throttled too many login attempts" on my first login attempt...
#436 [03:48] <Dazuro> now it won't let me try again
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#438 [03:49] <Dazuro> any ideas?
#439 [03:52] * aetherian applauds
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#440 [03:54] <aetherian> wow
#441 [03:54] <aetherian> five whole minutes, I'm impressed. normally they don't last that long
#442 [03:55] <NotiCon> sometimes they join says help and then leaves?
#443 [03:55] <aetherian> he joined and asked the question hastily
#444 [03:55] <aetherian> then after waiting ~15 seconds
#445 [03:55] <aetherian> confirmed his question
#446 [03:56] <aetherian> normally they'd leave ~10-20 seconds after that
#447 [03:56] <aetherian> but now, for reals, night night
#448 [03:56] <NotiCon> gn
#449 [03:56] <aetherian> toodaloo
#450 [03:58] <TheBix> hey
#451 [03:59] <TheBix> does anyone know what function minecraft uses for http?
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#453 [03:59] <GreyVulpine> Huh?
#454 [03:59] <TheBix> what don't you get/
#455 [04:00] <GreyVulpine> What do you mean, "what function"?
#456 [04:00] <TheBix> what class or whatever it uses to use http.
#457 [04:00] <GreyVulpine> Ah, nope.
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#463 [04:31] <Swagg> does anyone know how i can get factions working on canary/hmod?
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#467 [04:49] <lemon-rev> we dont do support for mods sorry
#468 [04:50] <Wug> I'd say go to #mcmods, but i'd be the one helping you, and I'm about to go to sleep
#469 [04:50] <_303> better ask in a hmod channel like #hmod or #canary or some such
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#471 [04:50] <GreyVulpine> Swagg asked and was answered in #bukkit
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#473 [04:51] * Wug just commited his minecraft sources to his svn repository. the vast majority of edits were deobfuscation. in this commit, over 120 files were updated.
#473 [04:53] <Wug> not bad for a few hours work. I'm probably up to 30 or so fully deobfuscated files, and since I started at the main method, they're all the important ones
#474 [04:53] <Wug> at this rate, I might be done before next weekend
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#476 [04:54] <_303> what are you up to?
#477 [04:54] <samcool_129> hi
#478 [04:54] * Wug is up to everything
#478 [04:54] <_303> using MCP?
#479 [04:54] <Wug> psshh
#480 [04:55] * Wug started from scratch
#480 [04:55] <samcool_129> i have got a little problem with Minecraft Server & Hamachi
#481 [04:55] <Wug> go on
#482 [04:55] <samcool_129> my friend and me connect with the same player
#483 [04:55] <Wug> you can't both be online at once
#484 [04:55] <GreyVulpine> You can't use the same account for both players
#485 [04:56] <samcool_129> no no we don't connect with the same player
#486 [04:56] <samcool_129> we have separate accounts
#487 [04:56] <samcool_129> but when we connect to the server, i have his items and vice versa
#488 [04:56] <Wug> uuhh
#489 [04:56] <Wug> do they switch every time?
#490 [04:56] <samcool_129> and when he connects, i disconnect ><
#491 [04:57] <_303> Wug: any point in doing it all yourself other than wasting time?
#492 [04:57] <Wug> one learns nothing by borrowing the work of others
#493 [04:57] <DopeGhoti> samcool_129: sounds a lot like you're using the same account to me.
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#495 [04:57] <DopeGhoti> that's _exactly_ what will happen.
#496 [04:58] <samcool_129> has somebody an answer ?
#497 [04:58] <Wug> use different accounts.
#498 [04:58] <samcool_129> we use different accounts !
#499 [04:58] <GreyVulpine> What are the account names that you and your friend uses?
#500 [04:58] <Wug> you can't connect with the same account to the same server more than once at a time
#501 [04:59] <samcool_129> we use different accounts !
#502 [04:59] <GreyVulpine> What are the account names that you and your friend uses?
#503 [04:59] <samcool_129> his name is jujules45 and mine is samcool_129
#504 [04:59] <Wug> !paid jujules45
#505 [04:59] <GreyVulpine> Neither of you have paid for minecraft
#506 [04:59] <Wug> there's your problem
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#508 [04:59] <Wug> pwnt
#509 [05:00] <Wug> and on that note, I'm going to bed
#510 [05:00] * GreyVulpine waves
#510 [05:00] <DopeGhoti> Sign people are pirates: they ignore the correct answer.
#511 [05:00] <DopeGhoti> ciao, Wug
#512 [05:00] <Wug> have fun and goodnight all
#513 [05:00] <DopeGhoti> Vox, give Wug a fond farewell
#514 [05:01] <DopeGhoti> ah well
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#516 [05:11] <DopeGhoti> ??< test
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#521 [05:23] <zw> Do anyone know where i can see or download The Reichstag project? http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=3712&p=34906
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#523 [05:25] <GreyVulpine> Probably... http://minecraft.net/play.jsp?server=df6d15aef6c241e6392d47cab8d9cac0
#524 [05:26] <zw> i tried, but /museum did not work
#525 [05:27] <zw> or did u just post a random?
#526 [05:30] <GreyVulpine> No, that was just a google search for WoM museum
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#530 [05:58] <geruetzel> hi
#531 [05:59] <geruetzel> where exactly can i find diamonds (which level)
#532 [06:00] <_303> the wiki should know
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#535 [06:06] <NotiCon> geruetzel: somewhere in the deep deep underground
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#537 [06:14] <geruetzel> duh
#538 [06:15] <peru> 0-16
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#540 [06:17] <igndsp> is this the best place to ask about game issues, crashes etc?
#541 [06:17] <GreyVulpine> Sure is.
#542 [06:18] <igndsp> right - one problem coming up
#543 [06:18] <igndsp> when running the game, after installind & downloading packages it blackscreens in both the applet & jar
#544 [06:19] <igndsp> this is on ubuntu btw
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#546 [06:30] <mib_6v7ki0> Hello!
#547 [06:30] <mib_6v7ki0> Help!
#548 [06:30] <mib_6v7ki0> I need help.
#549 [06:31] <GreyVulpine> igndsp - You may want to try, first off, the video drivers, updating/reinstalling sun java, then looking at lwjgl
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#551 [06:33] <igndsp> its not lwjgl - other programs are doing fine with it
#552 [06:33] <GreyVulpine> What other programs do you have that use lwjgl?
#553 [06:34] <igndsp> it may be the drivers, but I'm using the proprietry one ss it should be ok
#554 [06:34] <igndsp> a couple of random gam,es
#555 [06:34] <igndsp> their tests all ran fine though
#556 [06:34] <GreyVulpine> And you're sure they use the lightweight java gaming library?
#557 [06:35] <igndsp> lwjgl's tests I mean
#558 [06:35] <GreyVulpine> Ah
#559 [06:35] <GreyVulpine> You do know that minecraft packages older versions of lwjgl, right?
#560 [06:35] <GreyVulpine> It doesn't use the latest
#561 [06:35] <igndsp> insert expletives of choice
#562 [06:36] <igndsp> i'll try updating them
#563 [06:36] <GreyVulpine> minecraft uses... 2.4.2 I believe.
#564 [06:36] <GreyVulpine> lwjgl.. hey, updated to 2.7.1
#565 [06:37] <GreyVulpine> The files you'll want to replace, if it hasn't changed from 2.6.. are the /jar/ and /natives/ folders in the lwjgl distribution, to your /.minecraft/bin/ and /.minecraft/bin/natives/ folder respectively
#566 [06:38] <igndsp> IT LIVES!
#567 [06:38] <igndsp> thx for all the help
#568 [06:38] <GreyVulpine> No prob.
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#572 [06:52] <Robin> I_Eat_Plastic: Thanks for the OpenJDK tip yesterday, it runs a lot smoother :p
#573 [06:52] <Robin> I'm trying to set up a MineCraft server now, I can connect with localhost:8032 but not with my IP... neither can other people
#574 [06:57] <GreyVulpine> Port forwarding?
#575 [06:57] <Robin> done that
#576 [06:57] <Robin> it runs on port 8032 and i've forwarded 8000-8999 en 22 to my PC
#577 [06:58] <Robin> only thing i noticed...
#578 [06:58] <Robin> sh: netstats: not found
#579 [06:58] <Robin> (Not all processes could be identified, non-owned process info
#580 [06:58] <Robin> will not be shown, you would have to be root to see it all.)
#581 [06:58] <Robin> tcp6 0 0 127.0.0.1:8032 :::* LISTEN 26168/java
#582 [06:58] <Robin> tcp6...?
#583 [06:58] <Robin> all the rest is normal tcp
#584 [07:02] <GreyVulpine> What distro of linux are you on?
#585 [07:02] <GreyVulpine> I'm betting debian.
#586 [07:07] <Robin> Debian
#587 [07:07] <Robin> :p
#588 [07:07] <Robin> Squeeze
#589 [07:07] <Robin> Why did you bet that? :p
#590 [07:07] <GreyVulpine> That, would be why. The reason is, debian and java prefer to attach to the ipv6 stack.
#591 [07:07] <Robin> omg?
#592 [07:07] <GreyVulpine> minecraft doesn't work on the ipv6 stack.
#593 [07:08] <Robin> and do you know how to fix it? :p
#594 [07:08] <GreyVulpine> The solution is simple... give me one sec
#595 [07:08] <Robin> ok :p
#596 [07:08] <GreyVulpine> The bot has a FAQ.. I just need to find the command
#597 [07:08] <Robin> xd
#598 [07:08] <GreyVulpine> ?? java/ip6
#599 [07:08] <GreyVulpine> nope
#600 [07:08] <Robin> ?? help
#601 [07:08] <VoxelHead> help: To use this service, there are several commands. ?? will answer a FAQ in-channel. ??< will privately send you the answer to a FAQ. ??> will answer a FAQ in channel with attention to the person you specify. ??>> will do the same, only privately
#602 [07:08] <VoxelHead> help: For a list of FAQs I can answer (or more accurately, a link to one), check the keyword 'index' with '??< index'
#603 [07:08] <GreyVulpine> ?? java/ipv6
#604 [07:08] <VoxelHead> java/ipv6: Java sometimes likes to bind to IPv6 at the expense of IPv4. Since you (for the time being at least) probably want to use IPv4, you want to add the following switches to the script you use to start your server:
#605 [07:08] <VoxelHead> java/ipv6: -Djava.net.preferIPv4Stack=true -Djava.net.preferIPv6Addresses=false
#606 [07:09] <GreyVulpine> Those two switches, you'll need to add to your minecraft server's command line
#607 [07:10] <Robin> wot
#608 [07:10] <Robin> robin@laptopvanrobin ~/MineCraft $ ./StartServer
#609 [07:10] <Robin> Unable to access jarfile craftbukkit-00.1-SNAPSHOT.jar
#610 [07:10] <GreyVulpine> Is the jarfile named "craftbukkit-00.1-SNAPSHOT.jar"?
#611 [07:10] <Robin> yes
#612 [07:11] <GreyVulpine> you'll want to edit ./startserver then
#613 [07:11] <Robin> ... probably xd
#614 [07:11] <Robin> thats what i just did
#615 [07:11] <GreyVulpine> cat ./startserver
#616 [07:11] <GreyVulpine> pastebin.com what the contents are
#617 [07:11] <Robin> java -Xmx1024M -Xms1024M -jar craftbukkit-00.1-SNAPSHOT.jar -Djava.net.preferIPv4Stack=true -Djava.net.preferIPv6Addresses=false
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#619 [07:12] <GreyVulpine> Use "ls" on ~/MineCraft
#620 [07:12] <tuk> Hey, I was wondering if someone could help me with my mods?
#621 [07:12] <GreyVulpine> What is the exact spelling of craftbukkit
#622 [07:12] <Robin> banned-ips.txt
#623 [07:12] <Robin> banned-players.txt
#624 [07:12] <Robin> bukkit.yml
#625 [07:12] <Robin> craftbukkit-0.0.1-SNAPSHOT.jar
#626 [07:12] <Robin> MCWorld1_2011-01-26_12-58-56_Backup.mcworld
#627 [07:12] <Robin> MinecraftSP.jar
#628 [07:12] <Robin> ops.txt
#629 [07:12] <Robin> plugins
#630 [07:12] <Robin> server.log
#631 [07:12] <GreyVulpine> There's your problem
#632 [07:12] <GreyVulpine> craftbukkit-0.0.1-SNAPSHOT.jar
#633 [07:12] <Robin> server.properties
#634 [07:12] <Robin> StartServer
#635 [07:12] <Robin> white-list.txt
#636 [07:12] <Robin> World1
#637 [07:12] <GreyVulpine> Robin, that's good
#638 [07:12] <Robin> shit
#639 [07:12] <Robin> urgh why does it print it in so many lines? xD
#640 [07:12] <GreyVulpine> You're launching..
#641 [07:12] <GreyVulpine> -jar craftbukkit-00.1-SNAPSHOT.jar
#642 [07:13] <GreyVulpine> See the difference?
#643 [07:13] <Robin> ... omg i lost the .
#644 [07:13] * GreyVulpine nods
#644 [07:13] <GreyVulpine> tuk - What problem?
#645 [07:13] <Robin> k next xD
#646 [07:13] <Robin> robin@laptopvanrobin ~/MineCraft $ ./StartServer
#647 [07:13] <Robin> 13-apr-2011 13:13:33 org.bukkit.craftbukkit.Main main
#648 [07:13] <Robin> SEVERE: 'D' is not a recognized option
#649 [07:13] <GreyVulpine> O.o
#650 [07:14] <Robin> SEVERE: 'D' is not a recognized option << thats not good is it? :p
#651 [07:14] <tuk> Well, I'm getting the black screen after installing my mods, but their up to date with my minecraft, I have installed them correctly, I have deleted the meta-inf folder in the .jar file
#652 [07:14] <GreyVulpine> Tell me you didn't seperate -Djava...
#653 [07:14] <GreyVulpine> from -D java
#654 [07:14] <Robin> ah
#655 [07:14] <Robin> found it
#656 [07:14] <Robin> i needed to mùove -jar .... to the back of the command line
#657 [07:15] <tuk> I just can't figure out what else could I be doing wrong
#658 [07:15] <GreyVulpine> tuk - Most likely, if you're still getting the black screen error, you didn't install the mod right, or the mod isn't up to date.
#659 [07:15] <GreyVulpine> What mod are you installed?
#660 [07:15] <Robin> GreyVulpine: Stil... Connection refused
#661 [07:15] <GreyVulpine> installing*
#662 [07:15] <GreyVulpine> Robin - where is this hosted?
#663 [07:15] <tuk> ModLoader and Industrial minecraft
#664 [07:16] <_303> tuk: better ask in #mcmods then in #risucraft
#665 [07:16] <Robin> 80.200.129.8:8032
#666 [07:16] <tuk> Both are for version 1.4_01 and I have version 1.4_01
#667 [07:16] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, #risucraft will be able to answer you better.
#668 [07:16] <tuk> Okay, thanks
#669 [07:16] <GreyVulpine> I only have a passing familiarity with modloader
#670 [07:16] <Robin> tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:8032 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 32415/java << and it's not tcp6 anymore :p
#671 [07:17] <GreyVulpine> Okay, then, port forwarding?
#672 [07:17] <Robin> done that
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#674 [07:17] <Robin> 22 and 8000-8999 are forwarded to me
#675 [07:17] <GreyVulpine> Define, "me"
#676 [07:17] <Robin> my PC, my IP, ....
#677 [07:17] <GreyVulpine> I'm looking for the your internal IP
#678 [07:18] <GreyVulpine> What is the exact ip address you port forwarded to?
#679 [07:18] <Robin> to 192.168.1.8
#680 [07:18] <GreyVulpine> and if you do "ifconfig", 1.8 is what it'll return?
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#682 [07:18] <Hakuzo_NightFox> I was wondering is there a way to download Minecraft classic so it doesn't have to stream from the net? I have a slow dial-up connection.
#683 [07:19] <Robin> inet addr:192.168.1.8 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
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#685 [07:19] <GreyVulpine> Hakuzo_NightFox - With a modded client, yes. World of minecraft is a modded client, however you download it at your own risk
#686 [07:19] <GreyVulpine> We don't really provide support for third-party clients
#687 [07:20] <GreyVulpine> Robin - Hmm.
#688 [07:20] <Hakuzo_NightFox> I want to try out the game, but for some reason I Can't seem to get it to load-up on dial-up.
#689 [07:20] <Forbearance> Hey, does anyone have any idea on how to install runecraft on MineOS+? Or knows a link to some documentation?
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#691 [07:21] <GreyVulpine> Robin - Can you confirm that the external/WAN ip of the router is your external IP found at whatismyip.org?
#692 [07:24] <Robin> ... How would I need to confirm that?
#693 [07:25] <GreyVulpine> Connect to 192.168.1.1 via your browser?
#694 [07:25] <Robin> that's my router configuration
#695 [07:25] <GreyVulpine> Look for your router's status page, look for some mention of an internet or WAN, or public IP
#696 [07:26] <Robin> GreyVulpine: http://pastebin.com/VwRQdS7V
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#698 [07:27] <GreyVulpine> Okay, 80.200.129.8 looks to be your public IP address
#699 [07:27] <GreyVulpine> Is that what you can confirm?
#700 [07:28] <Robin> well the router config and watismijnip.be say the same :p
#701 [07:28] <Robin> so i suppose i do
#702 [07:28] <GreyVulpine> Then, could you give me a pastebin, or a screenshot of the router's port forwarding page?
#703 [07:30] <Robin> http://www.webpagescreenshot.info/img/323882-413201123002PM
#704 [07:32] <Robin> GreyVulpine: It's 8000-8999 in that textbox
#705 [07:32] <Robin> and 26160-26170 in the other one...
#706 [07:32] <Robin> but that was just a non-working experiment
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#708 [07:32] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, that looks right, bit broad, but right...
#709 [07:33] <Robin> xD
#710 [07:33] <GreyVulpine> Hmm.
#711 [07:34] <GreyVulpine> You're not running any sort of iptables or firewall on that rig?
#712 [07:34] <Robin> firewall's disabled
#713 [07:34] <Robin> iptables... dunno what that is
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#715 [07:35] <Robin> http://www.canyouseeme.org/
#716 [07:35] <Robin> Error: I could not see your service on 80.200.129.8 on port (8032)
#717 [07:35] <Robin> Reason: Connection refused
#718 [07:35] <Robin> ...
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#720 [07:35] <luckz> iptables is a lunix firewall-esque program
#721 [07:35] <luckz> it can route things or block things or..
#722 [07:36] <Robin> idk
#723 [07:38] <luckz> I use it to dispose of serbian griefers :P
#724 [07:38] <Robin> of whats?
#725 [07:38] <luckz> griefers! from serbia!
#726 [07:39] <Robin> .... whatever :p
#727 [07:39] <Robin> GreyVulpine: Any ideas? xD
#728 [07:39] <Robin> i don't have a clue why but it seems to not be forwarding the ports at all...
#729 [07:39] <GreyVulpine> Sorry, one moment, just finishing up on an email to Mojang..
#730 [07:39] * Robin switches from wireless to cable
#730 [07:40] <Robin> do i still have a connection?
#731 [07:40] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#732 [07:40] <Robin> :D
#733 [07:40] <luckz> <@GreyVulpine> That, would be why. The reason is, debian and java prefer to attach to the ipv6 stack. <- don't think that ever happened to me, btw
#734 [07:40] <luckz> Robin: what creates your scary .mcworld backups?
#735 [07:40] <Robin> mcworld backups..?
#736 [07:41] <GreyVulpine> Most of the time, that's the issue that we've seen with debian server owners that come here for help
#737 [07:41] <luckz> <Robin> MCWorld1_2011-01-26_12-58-56_Backup.mcworld
#738 [07:41] <GreyVulpine> It's happened enough times that we've needed an FAQ added to the bot
#739 [07:41] <luckz> GreyVulpine: I prolly didn't configure my ipv6 crap well enough then, ok
#740 [07:41] <GreyVulpine> Now um.
#741 [07:42] <Robin> luckz: i dunno? it's been months ago since i played this game
#742 [07:42] <GreyVulpine> Either the port isn't forwarded correctly via the router... or there's some sort of firewall on the computer
#743 [07:42] <Robin> :s
#744 [07:42] <Robin> iptables is installed it seems...
#745 [07:42] <Robin> iptables-firewall isnt
#746 [07:42] <GreyVulpine> I don't believe debian installs any default rules with iptables
#747 [07:42] <luckz> iptables tends to be installed :P
#748 [07:42] <luckz> yeah
#749 [07:42] <GreyVulpine> It's usually installed
#750 [07:42] <Robin> GreyVulpine: it's not default Debian
#751 [07:42] <Robin> LMDE
#752 [07:42] <luckz> what is that
#753 [07:43] <GreyVulpine> I'm sorry?
#754 [07:43] <Robin> http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=1604 << this thingy
#755 [07:43] <luckz> so ask the people who make it if they have any crazy rules set up by default?
#756 [07:43] <luckz> or ship any other software that may prevent you from playing Le Server?
#757 [07:44] <GreyVulpine> Hmm.. it's just Mint, isn't it?
#758 [07:44] <Robin> Mint is based on Ubuntu, this version is baned on Debian
#759 [07:44] <Robin> *based
#760 [07:45] <GreyVulpine> Ah, never mind.
#761 [07:45] <Robin> xd
#762 [07:46] <Robin> <luckz> or ship any other software that may prevent you from playing Le Server? << seems they arent on their IRC channel now :p
#763 [07:46] <Robin> there's a firewall configuration in the control center
#764 [07:46] <Robin> but its disabled
#765 [07:46] <Robin> so should give any problems
#766 [07:47] <GreyVulpine> Robin, are you able to connect locally to that server?
#767 [07:47] <Robin> using localhost, yes
#768 [07:47] <luckz> he said he can
#769 [07:47] <Robin> not with 192.168.1.8 though
#770 [07:47] <GreyVulpine> That was my next question
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#772 [07:47] <Robin> :p
#773 [07:48] <GreyVulpine> Something's on that debian distro then, that's blocking a connection
#774 [07:48] <Robin> great xd
#775 [07:48] <Robin> any idea what it might be? :p
#776 [07:48] <luckz> sudo iptables -A INPUT --dport 22 -j ALLOW <- does that work or give an error?
#777 [07:48] <GreyVulpine> I'm not a *nix guru
#778 [07:48] <Robin> or how to check?
#779 [07:48] <luckz> (assuming you have sudo)
#780 [07:48] <luckz> uhm
#781 [07:48] <luckz> not 22 sorry
#782 [07:48] <luckz> your port isntead of 22 :D
#783 [07:48] <luckz> so 8032
#784 [07:48] <Robin> luckz... why port 22? xD
#785 [07:48] <Robin> 22 is SSH
#786 [07:48] <luckz> sudo iptables -A INPUT --dport 8032 -j ALLOW
#787 [07:49] <luckz> yeah I pressed enter too early
#788 [07:49] <luckz> (or as root without the sudo)
#789 [07:49] <Robin> robin@laptopvanrobin ~/MineCraft $ sudo iptables -A INPUT --dport 8032 -j ALLOWiptables v1.4.10: unknown option `--dport'
#790 [07:49] <Robin> Try `iptables -h' or 'iptables --help' for more information.
#791 [07:49] <luckz> ok so it probably needs some crazy module.
#792 [07:49] <luckz> sudo iptables -A INPUT --dport 8032 --sport 1024:65535 -m state --state NEW -j ALLOW ?
#793 [07:50] <Robin> robin@laptopvanrobin ~/MineCraft $ sudo iptables -A INPUT --dport 8032 --sport 1024:65535 -m state --state NEW -j ALLOW
#794 [07:50] <Robin> iptables v1.4.10: unknown option `--dport'
#795 [07:50] <Robin> Try `iptables -h' or 'iptables --help' for more information.
#796 [07:51] <luckz> GreyVulpine: does minecraft use tcp or udp or both?
#797 [07:51] <GreyVulpine> TCP
#798 [07:51] <GreyVulpine> (for now)
#799 [07:51] <luckz> sudo iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 8032 -j ALLOW ? :P
#800 [07:51] <luckz> ah
#801 [07:51] <Robin> iptables v1.4.10: Couldn't load target `ALLOW':/lib/xtables/libipt_ALLOW.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
#802 [07:51] <Robin> Try `iptables -h' or 'iptables --help' for more information.
#803 [07:52] <Robin> uh
#804 [07:52] <luckz> sudo iptables -A INPUT -m multiport --dport 8032 -j ALLOW ? :D
#805 [07:52] <luckz> oh
#806 [07:52] <luckz> and it's ACCEPT not ALLOW
#807 [07:52] <luckz> my bad
#808 [07:53] <Robin> sigh xd
#809 [07:53] <Robin> <chattr> Robin: ok. then I guess ask someone who knows Minecraft servers. I know next to nothing
#810 [07:53] <Robin> iptables v1.4.10: multiport needs `-p tcp', `-p udp', `-p udplite', `-p sctp' or `-p dccp'
#811 [07:53] <Robin> Try `iptables -h' or 'iptables --help' for more information.
#812 [07:53] <Robin> iptables v1.4.10: multiport needs `-p tcp', `-p udp', `-p udplite', `-p sctp' or `-p dccp'
#813 [07:53] <Robin> Try `iptables -h' or 'iptables --help' for more information.
#814 [07:53] <Robin> not with ACCEPT either :p
#815 [07:53] <luckz> sudo iptables -A INPUT -m multiport -p tcp --dport 8032 -j ACCEPT
#816 [07:53] <GreyVulpine> Try -p TCP, with accept
#817 [07:54] <luckz> or the same without multiport
#818 [07:54] <luckz> just tcp & dport & accept
#819 [07:54] <Robin> iptables v1.4.10: multiport needs `-p tcp', `-p udp', `-p udplite', `-p sctp' or `-p dccp'
#820 [07:54] <Robin> Try `iptables -h' or 'iptables --help' for more information.
#821 [07:54] <Robin> iptables v1.4.10: multiport needs `-p tcp', `-p udp', `-p udplite', `-p sctp' or `-p dccp'
#822 [07:54] <Robin> Try `iptables -h' or 'iptables --help' for more information.
#823 [07:54] <luckz> ..so did you omit the -p tcp?
#824 [07:54] <Robin> iptables v1.4.10: multiport needs `-p tcp', `-p udp', `-p udplite', `-p sctp' or `-p dccp'
#825 [07:54] <Robin> Try `iptables -h' or 'iptables --help' for more information.
#826 [07:54] <Robin> yes
#827 [07:54] <Robin> :p
#828 [07:54] <luckz> so why don't you try it with that..
#829 [07:55] <Robin> , i did
#830 [07:55] <luckz> and it still gave you that error?
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#832 [07:56] <luckz> it's rather unclear what exact commands you used :P
#833 [07:56] <Robin> -.-
#834 [07:56] <luckz> (and yes I'm not helping my stabbing in the dark)
#835 [07:56] <Robin> yes i t does
#836 [07:56] <luckz> sudo iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 8032 --sport 1024:65535 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT <- this surely works at least?
#837 [07:57] <Robin> returns nothing what so ever :p
#838 [07:57] <luckz> yes.
#839 [07:57] <luckz> that means it works.
#840 [07:57] <luckz> but I still can't connect to your IP/port
#841 [07:57] <Robin> xd
#842 [07:57] * GreyVulpine facepalms
#842 [07:58] <GreyVulpine> Okay..
#843 [07:58] <Robin> <chattr> there you are. it's only listening on 127.0.0.1, not 192.something:8032 or 0.0.0.0:8032. soemthing's wrong with the server configuration
#844 [07:58] <luckz> so it's "probably not iptables" :P (unless we ALSO need some crazy override thing)
#845 [07:58] <luckz> Robin: did you bind the server.properties to any IP?
#846 [07:58] <luckz> Robin: (you should not)
#847 [07:58] <Robin> robin@laptopvanrobin ~/MineCraft $ cat server.properties | pastebinit
#848 [07:58] <Robin> http://pastebin.com/EzKxdAdR
#849 [07:58] <luckz> server-ip=
#850 [07:58] <luckz> <- just blank
#851 [07:58] <GreyVulpine> server-ip=127.0.0.1
#852 [07:58] <luckz> yeah duh
#853 [07:58] <luckz> :P
#854 [07:58] <GreyVulpine> remove it
#855 [07:58] <Robin> XD
#856 [07:59] <luckz> so much about firewalls and the like :P
#857 [07:59] <GreyVulpine> Bah, rookie mistake, I should've caught it.
#858 [07:59] <Robin> omg
#859 [07:59] <Robin> come join me it works xD
#860 [07:59] <luckz> lots of lag
#861 [08:00] <luckz> but hell worlds tend to lag, and maybe I'm torrenting too much
#862 [08:00] * GreyVulpine snerks
#862 [08:00] <luckz> or at least my first hell world lagged unbelievably hard :P
#863 [08:02] <luckz> I get "simulating world for a bit" when I click respawn??
#864 [08:02] <Robin> 14:01:48 [WARNING] Can't keep up! Did the system time change, or is the server overloaded?
#865 [08:02] <GreyVulpine> That's normal, as long as it isn't spamming
#866 [08:02] <luckz> oh so the server broke? :P
#867 [08:02] <Robin> connection lost
#868 [08:02] <GreyVulpine> server's up
#869 [08:02] <GreyVulpine> I didn't get D/Ced
#870 [08:02] <Robin> entering the Nether.; what?
#871 [08:02] <luckz> did you also die, Robin?
#872 [08:02] <Robin> yes
#873 [08:03] <luckz> so I guess death killed us
#874 [08:03] <luckz> my client is still hanging about
#875 [08:03] <GreyVulpine> And the server's in the nether, because you enabled hell-world
#876 [08:03] <Robin> 14:02:24 [WARNING] Can't keep up! Did the system time change, or is the server overloaded?
#877 [08:03] <Robin> << network problem or PC problem?
#878 [08:03] <luckz> at "simulating world for a bit"
#879 [08:03] <Robin> hell-world?
#880 [08:03] <luckz> "in the nether" means "nether-only"
#881 [08:03] <Robin> how do i disable the crap? xD
#882 [08:03] <GreyVulpine> yes, hell-world
#883 [08:03] <GreyVulpine> change hell-world back to false
#884 [08:03] <luckz> llook at your config.
#885 [08:03] <luckz> and then delete the world folder.
#886 [08:03] <luckz> so 1) hell-world=false 2) rm -rf world 3) start again
#887 [08:03] <Robin> ah :p
#888 [08:03] <Robin> restarting server
#889 [08:04] <luckz> did you delete the world?
#890 [08:04] <luckz> I spawned in water.
#891 [08:05] <luckz> never saw a water spawn
#892 [08:06] <luckz> 8-10 seconds lag now, but could well be world generation related (I guess)
#893 [08:06] <luckz> how fast is your upload, Robin? and what continent are you on?
#894 [08:06] <Robin> europe
#895 [08:07] <Robin> upload... around 20 to 40kB/s
#896 [08:07] * GreyVulpine winces
#896 [08:07] <luckz> that's not really impressive for hosting a server :P
#897 [08:07] <Robin> it's my own PC xd
#898 [08:07] <GreyVulpine> For minecraft, you want an average of about 100kB/s per player
#899 [08:07] <Robin> he :|
#900 [08:08] <luckz> GreyVulpine: (that much?)
#901 [08:08] <GreyVulpine> So, minecraft will run, but you won't be running more than a couple people on that connection, unfortunately
#902 [08:09] <Robin> >.<
#903 [08:09] <GreyVulpine> luckz - On world generation and first chunk load, I've seen it hit close to 200k/player
#904 [08:09] <GreyVulpine> On idle, it's considerably lower
#905 [08:09] <luckz> Robin: my home connection has an upload of like a megabyte and I still use a dedicated server to run my minecraft stuff
#906 [08:09] <GreyVulpine> Say, 20-80kB/sec
#907 [08:10] <Robin> great xd
#908 [08:10] <Robin> currently im uploading with 6kB/s avarge
#909 [08:10] <luckz> as usual, "blame Notch"
#910 [08:12] <luckz> did you want to play with friends or lure in internet strangers?
#911 [08:13] <luckz> !paid RobinJ
#912 [08:15] <Robin> ?
#913 [08:15] <Robin> no i havent? xD
#914 [08:15] <Robin> i may buy the game from the moment the bugs are out and i can play without problems, not before that :p
#915 [08:16] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, that's not really a good policy to take in this channel..
#916 [08:16] <luckz> so you are using hardcore hacky tools to even be called RobinJ in the game?
#917 [08:16] * GreyVulpine coughs
#917 [08:16] <luckz> (I was getting there :D)
#918 [08:16] <Robin> hardcore hacky tools? wot?
#919 [08:17] <Robin> a friend gave me the file to play the game, i registered an account on minecraft.net, and started playing
#920 [08:18] <luckz> so your account on the website is RobinJ?
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#922 [08:18] <Robin> but why does it need such fast upload speed?
#923 [08:18] <Robin> luckz... yes i registered it, think it was robinj1995 or something like that
#924 [08:18] <GreyVulpine> Massive amount of data + unoptimized netcode
#925 [08:18] <TheBix> !paid Notch
#926 [08:18] <TheBix> really?
#927 [08:18] <luckz> !paid robinj1995
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#929 [08:19] <luckz> GreyVulpine: well anyway, do what you might well have to and should? :3
#930 [08:19] <Robin> ... so? you only have to pay to be able to play on official server dont you?
#931 [08:19] <GreyVulpine> Robin, we frown on people pirating the game to "test it out" or "play because it's only beta"
#932 [08:19] <Robin> pirating?
#933 [08:19] <GreyVulpine> One of my pet peeves, is people pirating the game, then coming here expecting help.
#934 [08:20] <GreyVulpine> Yes, what you did was pirating.
#935 [08:20] <Robin> omg? you only have to pay to be able to play on official server listed on the website dont you?
#936 [08:20] <GreyVulpine> Nope.
#937 [08:20] <Robin> urk?
#938 [08:20] <GreyVulpine> Those servers listed on the website, are classic servers.
#939 [08:20] <luckz> you have to pay to play any form of the current game.
#940 [08:20] <GreyVulpine> There's no master list of beta servers.
#941 [08:20] <luckz> and that stuff listed on the website is free, isn't it? when it works.
#942 [08:21] <Robin> huh, so the file he gave me was a hacked client?
#943 [08:21] <GreyVulpine> Most likely, yes
#944 [08:21] <Robin> -.-
#945 [08:21] <Robin> great
#946 [08:21] <GreyVulpine> Without paying for an account, you wouldn't be able to download the files, nor login successfully
#947 [08:21] <luckz> seems like it? whatever you entered 'RobinJ' as your name in, without logging in with account + pw from the website
#948 [08:22] <Robin> ... the game client doesnt ask me for a password
#949 [08:22] <GreyVulpine> Then it's definitely a hacked client
#950 [08:22] <Robin> >.<
#951 [08:23] <luckz> Robin: the legit client looks like http://dl.dropbox.com/u/103638/minecraft-client.jpg
#952 [08:24] <GreyVulpine> Heh, that's the old launcher
#953 [08:24] <luckz> yeah ok there's the odd new one too
#954 [08:24] <luckz> I don't even know where I put that.
#955 [08:24] <luckz> do you know the file name offhand?
#956 [08:24] <Robin> MineCraftSP.jar
#957 [08:25] <luckz> (that is *not* the/a legit client/launcher, yes)
#958 [08:25] <Robin> great >.<
#959 [08:29] <GreyVulpine> By the way luckz, you may want to start using the updated launcher if you haven't already
#960 [08:29] <GreyVulpine> It uses https/SSL to authenticate, bit better security
#961 [08:29] <luckz> but you refuse to tell me its file name
#962 [08:29] <tjz> what is the command for bucket?
#963 [08:29] <luckz> tjz: rightclick to fill? :B
#964 [08:29] <Robin> luckz: i just did
#965 [08:30] <luckz> Robin: I mean GreyVulpine refuses to tell me the file name of the legit launcher!
#966 [08:30] <luckz> so I can find it on my computer.
#967 [08:30] <Robin> lol
#968 [08:30] <GreyVulpine> Huh?
#969 [08:30] <GreyVulpine> It's still minecraft.jar
#970 [08:31] <GreyVulpine> !client
#971 [08:31] <luckz> oh minecraft.exe is the new one now, mhkay
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#973 [08:36] <luckz> that is his funny quit msg, right?
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#978 [08:51] <Espeon> * Quits: Robin (~Robin@8.129-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) (Quit: Connection was killed by ChanServ)
#979 [08:51] <Espeon> ChanServ can't kill connections
#980 [08:52] <luckz> but you can brb!
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#984 [09:06] <Razorflame> Anyone around?
#985 [09:06] <GreyVulpine> NOpe
#986 [09:06] <Razorflame> Does that really mean someone is around?
#987 [09:06] <luckz> noPE
#988 [09:07] <Razorflame> I need some quick help
#989 [09:07] <luckz> ("don't ask to ask, just ask" applies to all internet help channels)
#990 [09:07] <Razorflame> I just bought the game and started a game, but don't know which mode the game starts in...is it survival?
#991 [09:07] <GreyVulpine> It's always survival
#992 [09:07] <luckz> the single player game starts as survival, yeah, sure.
#993 [09:07] <Razorflame> Ok, now...I'm in a pickle
#994 [09:08] <Razorflame> It's night
#995 [09:08] <Razorflame> I couldn't find any coal
#996 [09:08] <GreyVulpine> Got wood + furnace?
#997 [09:08] <Razorflame> so I dug myself into a sand mountain and blocked the entrance except for a peep hole and no room behind me to spawn
#998 [09:08] <GreyVulpine> If you can't find coal, you can make charcoal with wood + a furnace
#999 [09:09] <Razorflame> what's the recipe for furnace?
#1000 [09:09] <luckz> ((in multiplayer you can use mods and whatnot to dispose of evil stuff, but that's another topic))
#1001 [09:09] <luckz> ("anyone around?" and "I need help!" are both equally unhelpful)
#1002 [09:09] <luckz> btw, what makes creepers see/find players? are they omniscient or do they need LoS or is it proximity?
#1003 [09:09] <GreyVulpine> proximity
#1004 [09:09] <luckz> so a simple dirt wall with no exits/vision/anything won't protect from creepers, kay
#1005 [09:09] <GreyVulpine> No, they'll still need LoS to attack
#1006 [09:09] <luckz> ah
#1007 [09:10] <Razorflame> Isn't furnace need eight stone pieces?
#1008 [09:10] <GreyVulpine> But they'll notice you with just proximity
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#1010 [09:10] <Razorflame> god...I need to rewatch how to survive the first night XD
#1011 [09:10] <luckz> yeah 8 cobblestone
#1012 [09:11] <luckz> leave the middle spot free in your crafting table
#1013 [09:11] <Razorflame> I'm nowhere near any cobblestone
#1014 [09:11] <luckz> could be some below the sand mountain, do you have tools?
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#1016 [09:11] <luckz> (some smoothstone that turns into cobblestone when mined, that is)
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#1018 [09:12] <Razorflame> sorry about that
#1019 [09:12] <Razorflame> did anyone say anything?
#1020 [09:12] <TheBix> so guys...
#1021 [09:12] <TheBix> anyone here know anything about sql?
#1022 [09:13] <luckz> <Razorflame> I'm nowhere near any cobblestone
#1023 [09:13] <luckz> <luckz> could be some below the sand mountain, do you have tools?
#1024 [09:13] <luckz> <luckz> (some smoothstone that turns into cobblestone when mined, that is)
#1025 [09:13] <luckz> Razorflame: so any lines after that by you didn't reach us
#1026 [09:13] <Razorflame> No tools
#1027 [09:13] <luckz> TheBix: that's a very open-ended question too :P
#1028 [09:13] <Razorflame> I think I have enough wood
#1029 [09:13] <Razorflame> hold on
#1030 [09:13] <Razorflame> lemme check if I got enough for a pick
#1031 [09:13] <TheBix> hey are there any characters in sql that aren't factored into a comparison of strings?
#1032 [09:13] <TheBix> like for example the null character at the end of a string or something?
#1033 [09:13] <TheBix> thats my question.
#1034 [09:15] <Razorflame> you were right
#1035 [09:15] <Razorflame> holy crap, I was right next to cobblestone XD
#1036 [09:15] <luckz> (I'd suggesting asking in #bigbrother or #bukkit or maybe on freenode :P)
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#1038 [09:15] <Razorflame> god am I stupid XD I guess I didn't know that
#1039 [09:15] <Razorflame> I just started playing Minecraft
#1040 [09:15] <luckz> stone is very common, yeah
#1041 [09:15] <luckz> I don't mean you, I meant TheBix
#1042 [09:15] <Razorflame> like literally 10 minutes ago
#1043 [09:15] <luckz> unless you mean "how 2 find stone"
#1044 [09:16] <TheBix> luckz: ok
#1045 [09:16] <Razorflame> Can you use charcoal for torches?
#1046 [09:16] <Razorflame> or is that strictly coal?
#1047 [09:16] <BarryCarlyon> Yes
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#1049 [09:16] <Razorflame> what's the recipe for torches?
#1050 [09:16] <Razorflame> sorry for being such a noob
#1051 [09:16] <BarryCarlyon> Sick with coal above
#1052 [09:16] <Razorflame> but I just started playing XD
#1053 [09:16] <Razorflame> thanks
#1054 [09:16] <BarryCarlyon> http://minecraftwiki.net/wiki/crafting will help
#1055 [09:17] <Razorflame> thanks :)
#1056 [09:17] <luckz> charcoal works just like coal, apparently
#1057 [09:17] <luckz> (I have never even see charcoal)
#1058 [09:17] <BarryCarlyon> Charcoal is made from burning wood
#1059 [09:17] <BarryCarlyon> Charcoal is more effiecient for smelting stuff
#1060 [09:17] <luckz> yeah
#1061 [09:17] <BarryCarlyon> It will smellt more per unit of charcoal than coal.
#1062 [09:18] <luckz> in numbers: "it is more efficient to take seven wood blocks, turn one wood block into planks, and use those four planks to smelt the other six unbroken wood blocks into charcoal. Those six charcoal can then smelt 48 items. Ordinarily, seven wood blocks would only smelt 42 items, since seven wood blocks makes 28 planks. This process thus gives a six-item smelting increase over using planks for fuel. It does, however, require waiting for the six wood blocks to
#1063 [09:18] <luckz> become charcoal. "
#1064 [09:18] <luckz> "Moreover, if you begin with a single coal or charcoal, then you can smelt 8 wood blocks and make 8 charcoal, replace your starting charcoal and keep the other 7, making for a total of 56 smelts from those 8 wood blocks, though there is even more time required for smelting the wood. "
#1065 [09:20] <Razorflame> thanks for the help
#1066 [09:20] <Razorflame> I was watching paulsoarjr's how to survive series
#1067 [09:20] <Razorflame> it didn't mention charcoal
#1068 [09:20] <Razorflame> but you did
#1069 [09:20] <Razorflame> that was a lifesaver
#1070 [09:20] <Razorflame> for now
#1071 [09:20] <Razorflame> I'll be able to survive the night now
#1072 [09:21] <luckz> Razorflame: maybe it was made before charcoal was added (v 1.2)
#1073 [09:21] <Razorflame> It was made in Alpha version XD
#1074 [09:21] <luckz> yeah
#1075 [09:22] <Razorflame> If light is around, nothing can spawn, right?
#1076 [09:22] <luckz> I don't really pay much attention to new stuff thaaaat much, and there's a lot of old stuff I never made (like pictures, books)
#1077 [09:22] <GreyVulpine> I've yet to make a jukebox
#1078 [09:22] <luckz> no evil should spawn, yes.
#1079 [09:22] <GreyVulpine> Haven't seen any records
#1080 [09:22] <Razorflame> great
#1081 [09:22] <Razorflame> Records are very hard to make
#1082 [09:22] <Razorflame> skeleton shoot creeper
#1083 [09:22] <Razorflame> :o
#1084 [09:22] <luckz> I had a lot of records at some point, but never really made much use of them. just from old days.
#1085 [09:22] <luckz> (and I've not tried actually playing minecraft singleplayer)
#1086 [09:23] <GreyVulpine> O.o
#1087 [09:23] <Razorflame> GreyVulpine: To get a record, a skeleton must shoot a creeper with an arrow and kill it
#1088 [09:23] <Razorflame> :o
#1089 [09:23] * fogWraith attaches strings to GreyVulpine
#1089 [09:23] <GreyVulpine> O.o
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#1091 [09:24] <fogWraith> I've decided to become a puppeteer
#1092 [09:24] <Razorflame> bye guys
#1093 [09:24] <GreyVulpine> I'm not your marionette!
#1094 [09:24] <Razorflame> thanks for the help
#1095 [09:24] <fogWraith> But.... :(
#1096 [09:24] <Razorflame> I'll come back on if I get stuck again
#1097 [09:24] * GreyVulpine kicks fogWraith
#1097 [09:24] * fogWraith cwies
#1097 [09:25] <BarryCarlyon> SSSSSSssssssssssssss
#1098 [09:25] <luckz> the hyphen in 'core-game' also for some reason always bothers me.
#1099 [09:25] * BarryCarlyon explodes
#1099 [09:25] * GreyVulpine douses BarryCarlyon in water
#1099 [09:25] * BarryCarlyon melts
#1099 [09:25] <fogWraith> GreyVulpine: You're the golden godson of Java, aren't you?
#1100 [09:26] <luckz> ok, now what - do I try to save my failing studies, do I play minecraft (ALONE, my servers are empty) or do I do something else
#1101 [09:26] <BarryCarlyon> Studies.
#1102 [09:26] <BarryCarlyon> Studies mean more time for minecraft.
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#1104 [09:26] <luckz> how so?
#1105 [09:27] <BarryCarlyon> No need to retake studies.
#1106 [09:28] <luckz> doesn't really work like that.
#1107 [09:28] <luckz> the better results I want, the more time I need to invest. the more I fail utterly, the earlier I can give up on the whole prospect and play video games full-time until I die.
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#1109 [09:32] <GreyVulpine> !ping
#1110 [09:32] <GreyBot> GreyVulpine Your Ping time was 0.671 seconds.
#1111 [09:34] <bread> :o
#1112 [09:34] <bread> :D
#1113 [09:34] <bread> !ping
#1114 [09:34] <GreyBot> bread Your Ping time was 3.073 seconds.
#1115 [09:34] <bread> :(
#1116 [09:34] <bread> :O
#1117 [09:34] <bread> That's no good!
#1118 [09:35] <GreyVulpine> xchat?
#1119 [09:35] <bread> irssi :o
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#1121 [09:35] <GreyVulpine> Ah, yeah, the client automatically waits 3 seconds to reply to pings
#1122 [09:35] <bread> oh
#1123 [09:35] <bread> so then 0.073!
#1124 [09:35] <bread> :D
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#1127 [09:37] <rickyazn> hi can anyone help me
#1128 [09:37] <bread> ?? ask
#1129 [09:37] <VoxelHead> ask: Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help, and be as specific as possible.
#1130 [09:38] <VoxelHead> ask: If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#1131 [09:38] <rickyazn> alright
#1132 [09:38] <rickyazn> so im getting major lag/delay with multiplayer and it has nothing to with my computer as i run it in singleplayer completely fine
#1133 [09:38] <rickyazn> and my internet connection is fine aswell
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#1135 [09:39] <rickyazn> is there anyway
#1136 [09:39] <rickyazn> to fix it
#1137 [09:39] <rickyazn> ?
#1138 [09:39] <bread> by lag, do you mean ping lag, or framerate lag?
#1139 [09:39] <rickyazn> like
#1140 [09:39] <rickyazn> when i go in the server
#1141 [09:39] <rickyazn> i will be free falling for about 1 minute
#1142 [09:39] <rickyazn> then small chunks load
#1143 [09:39] <rickyazn> and i will standing on like a platform
#1144 [09:39] <rickyazn> with other stuff on it
#1145 [09:39] <rickyazn> and i can see
#1146 [09:39] <rickyazn> the end
#1147 [09:39] <BarryCarlyon> Mine does that.
#1148 [09:39] <rickyazn> of the platform
#1149 [09:40] <rickyazn> so if i jump off
#1150 [09:40] <rickyazn> it
#1151 [09:40] <rickyazn> i will free fall
#1152 [09:40] <rickyazn> until whenever it devides to load the chuck
#1153 [09:40] <rickyazn> chucnk*
#1154 [09:40] <rickyazn> chunk*
#1155 [09:40] <rickyazn> again
#1156 [09:40] <GreyVulpine> Does it do this on every server?
#1157 [09:40] <BarryCarlyon> Its the same with second life so I'm not too bothered.
#1158 [09:40] <rickyazn> yes every server
#1159 [09:40] <rickyazn> servers around my area aswell
#1160 [09:40] <BarryCarlyon> Its jsut the client syncing to the server and reading/loading initial data.
#1161 [09:40] <rickyazn> so i have to wait
#1162 [09:40] <GreyVulpine> Have you tried turning down the graphics? Turned off smooth lighting? Turned up fog?
#1163 [09:40] <rickyazn> until notch fixes it?
#1164 [09:41] <rickyazn> yea i did all that
#1165 [09:41] <rickyazn> stuff
#1166 [09:41] <BarryCarlyon> Only happens for a couple of seconds.
#1167 [09:41] <rickyazn> mine is like
#1168 [09:41] <rickyazn> long
#1169 [09:41] <rickyazn> when i type
#1170 [09:41] <BarryCarlyon> The same problem exists in other games GreyVulpine like secondlife.
#1171 [09:41] <rickyazn> a message
#1172 [09:41] <GreyVulpine> Some people experience it for longer periods
#1173 [09:41] <rickyazn> it will appear 1-5minutes later
#1174 [09:41] <rickyazn> and breaking blocks
#1175 [09:41] <rickyazn> it breaks
#1176 [09:41] <rickyazn> 3 seconds later
#1177 [09:41] <rickyazn> appears back
#1178 [09:41] <rickyazn> 1-5minutes
#1179 [09:41] <GreyVulpine> I know BarryCarlyon. It's minecraft's netcode right now, some experience very long load times
#1180 [09:41] <rickyazn> breaks properly
#1181 [09:42] <rickyazn> i've seen it on threads
#1182 [09:42] <rickyazn> but there were
#1183 [09:42] <rickyazn> no answers
#1184 [09:42] <rickyazn> so i was curious
#1185 [09:42] <rickyazn> so i know not only me that has this issue with the game :\
#1186 [09:42] <GreyVulpine> Unfortunately, there's little you can do right now rickyazn
#1187 [09:42] <rickyazn> oh ok..
#1188 [09:42] <GreyVulpine> It's a known issue, and all you can do is wait.
#1189 [09:42] <BarryCarlyon> :-d back to work
#1190 [09:42] <rickyazn> do i have to wait for the game to be full version?
#1191 [09:42] <rickyazn> or an update?
#1192 [09:43] <GreyVulpine> Just an update
#1193 [09:43] <rickyazn> yea well.. its been like this since 1.3 (which is when i started to play)
#1194 [09:43] <rickyazn> ..
#1195 [09:43] <GreyVulpine> It started with 1.3
#1196 [09:43] <rickyazn> oh
#1197 [09:43] <rickyazn> god dammit.
#1198 [09:43] <rickyazn> sucks to be then
#1199 [09:44] <rickyazn> also idk if this can be of anyhelp
#1200 [09:44] <GreyVulpine> Mojang is aware of the issue, all you can do is be patient.
#1201 [09:44] <rickyazn> but it runs without the lag/delay on my bros laptop
#1202 [09:44] <rickyazn> and his laptop
#1203 [09:44] <rickyazn> is a piece of crap
#1204 [09:44] * GreyVulpine nods
#1204 [09:44] <rickyazn> it lags in single player
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#1206 [09:44] <rickyazn> so yea.
#1207 [09:44] <GreyVulpine> It doesn't affect everybody, only some
#1208 [09:44] <rickyazn> im not sure thats going on there.
#1209 [09:44] <rickyazn> oh alright
#1210 [09:44] <rickyazn> guess i gotta wait
#1211 [09:44] <rickyazn> :(
#1212 [09:44] <rickyazn> thanks for all your help
#1213 [09:48] <luckz> !ping
#1214 [09:48] <GreyBot> luckz Your Ping time was 0.39 seconds.
#1215 [09:48] <luckz> I ttly outping GreyVulps
#1216 [09:48] <luckz> (irc ping is ridiculous)
#1217 [09:48] <GreyVulpine> Nah, greybot's probably on a different leaf
#1218 [09:49] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, it is, it's on canis, I'm on aperture
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#1220 [09:49] <luckz> are those esper servers?
#1221 [09:49] <GreyVulpine> Yes
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#1224 [09:50] <luckz> (re the above guy, how fast is a 'fine' internet connection?)
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#1226 [09:53] <TTSDA> !ping
#1227 [09:53] <GreyBot> TTSDA Your Ping time was 0.39 seconds.
#1228 [09:54] <TTSDA> ah cool
#1229 [09:55] <luckz> wow, par!!!11
#1230 [09:56] <TTSDA> :D
#1231 [09:56] <TTSDA> !ping
#1232 [09:56] <GreyBot> TTSDA Your Ping time was 0.343 seconds.
#1233 [09:56] <TTSDA> getting faster
#1234 [09:57] <TTSDA> inb4 0.30
#1235 [09:57] <TTSDA> !ping
#1236 [09:57] <GreyBot> TTSDA Your Ping time was 0.328 seconds.
#1237 [09:57] <TTSDA> awwww
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#1240 [10:11] <morten> i need help
#1241 [10:11] <BarryCarlyon> ?? ask
#1242 [10:11] <VoxelHead> ask: Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help, and be as specific as possible.
#1243 [10:11] <VoxelHead> ask: If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#1244 [10:11] <morten> i hade an acount with premium but i dont remember it
#1245 [10:11] <morten> i think its like morten13 thats its username
#1246 [10:12] <luckz> !paid morten13
#1247 [10:12] <luckz> nope
#1248 [10:12] <morten> hmm
#1249 [10:12] <BarryCarlyon> You should have an email with the receipt.
#1250 [10:12] <BarryCarlyon> 'sec
#1251 [10:12] <BarryCarlyon> And go here http://www.minecraft.net/forgotpass.jsp and use your email address.
#1252 [10:12] <BarryCarlyon> Should (hopefully) tell you your username,
#1253 [10:13] <morten> i dont remember it anymore
#1254 [10:13] <luckz> you don't remember your email?
#1255 [10:13] <morten> yes
#1256 [10:13] <morten> but i dont remember my user
#1257 [10:14] <zw> or did u just post a random?
#1258 [10:14] <luckz> if you DO remember your email, enter it at that website..
#1259 [10:14] <zw> Do anyone know where i can see or download The Reichstag project? http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=3712&p=34906
#1260 [10:14] <luckz> that sounds more like a #minecraft than #minecrafthelp thing, zw :p
#1261 [10:15] <BarryCarlyon> zw read the bold test in the first post.
#1262 [10:15] <zw> does not work
#1263 [10:15] <BarryCarlyon> Then we can't help.
#1264 [10:15] <BarryCarlyon> Ask in the forum post.
#1265 [10:17] <Creeper> TsssSSSSSSSsssss.
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#1267 [10:22] <morten> i just dont know its
#1268 [10:23] <morten> i typed both emails i used
#1269 [10:23] <morten> non of the emails i got back is the acount that i buyed minecraft with
#1270 [10:24] <morten> so i dont remember it
#1271 [10:25] <morten> is there any other way i can get it back
#1272 [10:29] <BarryCarlyon> How can you if you don't know the username or the email address? The only other thing that can help is dropping support@mojang.com explaing the situation and give them your paypal transaction ID.
#1273 [10:29] <luckz> assuming you still have the email :D or still can access your paypal :D
#1274 [10:30] <morten> btw one of my friends gave me a gift code
#1275 [10:30] <BarryCarlyon> luckz: saying tahat doesn't help.
#1276 [10:30] <BarryCarlyon> morten: well if you had said taht sooner.
#1277 [10:30] <BarryCarlyon> morten: get your friend to look at his gift code page as it lists the usernames.
#1278 [10:30] <luckz> morten: so maybe your friend knows what acc he bought it for?
#1279 [10:30] <luckz> yeah
#1280 [10:30] <morten> ahhh oka
#1281 [10:30] <morten> thanks for help
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#1285 [10:42] <Razorflame> Thanks GreyVUlpine and luckz
#1286 [10:43] <Razorflame> Next morning, I moved away from the sand mountain
#1287 [10:43] <Razorflame> swam across a little lake
#1288 [10:43] <Razorflame> and found a nice spot, right next to the water, that had 14 coal
#1289 [10:43] <Razorflame> and I made my niche there
#1290 [10:43] <luckz> :3
#1291 [10:43] <Floris> hehe
#1292 [10:43] <Razorflame> then, the day after that, I found really high ground right next to the nihce I made
#1293 [10:43] <Razorflame> and started prep work
#1294 [10:43] <Razorflame> for the tower :)
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#1296 [10:44] <luckz> I'm just standing on a piece of sand near water and watching my friend collect sand underwater
#1297 [10:44] <Razorflame> Too bad my computer overheats when I try to do other things with Minecraft
#1298 [10:44] <luckz> will it be a giant tower of doom?
#1299 [10:44] <luckz> oh :o laptop?
#1300 [10:44] <Razorflame> Yeah
#1301 [10:44] <Razorflame> I was looking up recipe for shovel
#1302 [10:44] <Razorflame> Anyone save me the trip?
#1303 [10:44] <luckz> you could set it up to limit the CPU performance and maximize the cooling?
#1304 [10:45] <Razorflame> Shovel recipe, anyone got?
#1305 [10:45] <Razorflame> :3
#1306 [10:45] <luckz> two sticks and a <thing> on top?
#1307 [10:45] <luckz> wood/cobblestone/iron/etc
#1308 [10:45] <oldtopmanserver> Razorflame: Stick-Stick-thing
#1309 [10:45] <Razorflame> Thanks :)
#1310 [10:45] <oldtopmanserver> vertically
#1311 [10:45] <Morrolan> Razor: Don't you think it would have been faster to check out Minecraftwiki.net ? XD
#1312 [10:45] <Razorflame> luckz: It'll be a good tower
#1313 [10:45] <luckz> <luckz> you could set it up to limit the CPU performance and maximize the cooling? <- assuming that it running with reduced performance is fast enough for MC
#1314 [10:45] <Razorflame> Morrolan: Nope: only 30 seconds here :)
#1315 [10:46] <Morrolan> Ah well. ^^
#1316 [10:46] <Razorflame> Speaking of stone...I can make stone tools now :o
#1317 [10:46] <Razorflame> I just started in case others don't realize that
#1318 [10:46] <Razorflame> After the lookout tower
#1319 [10:46] <Morrolan> I assumed so, because of the shovel. ;)
#1320 [10:46] <Razorflame> I'm going to begin my search for a mine
#1321 [10:46] <Razorflame> spot
#1322 [10:47] <Razorflame> :3
#1323 [10:47] <Razorflame> I see several new things they added
#1324 [10:47] <Razorflame> that aren't explained in paulsoarjr's tutorial vids
#1325 [10:47] <Razorflame> Lapis Lazuli
#1326 [10:47] <Razorflame> What's its uses?
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#1328 [10:47] <Morrolan> Dying
#1329 [10:47] <Razorflame> eh
#1330 [10:47] <Razorflame> nvm
#1331 [10:47] <Razorflame> I'll look at the wiki now
#1332 [10:47] <Morrolan> Euh, that word isn't looking right, but, you know, making things coloured
#1333 [10:48] <Morrolan> Dieing?
#1334 [10:48] <Morrolan> Dying?
#1335 [10:48] <NotiCon> Razorflame: coloring wool
#1336 [10:48] <Razorflame> I see
#1337 [10:48] <Morrolan> Ah, whatever.
#1338 [10:48] <Razorflame> I'll look at wiki for more info
#1339 [10:48] <Razorflame> Paulsoarjr's tutorial vids were awesome
#1340 [10:48] <Morrolan> dyeing it is. :D
#1341 [10:48] <Razorflame> :3
#1342 [10:49] <Razorflame> cobblestone can be used for tools, right?
#1343 [10:49] <NotiCon> yup
#1344 [10:49] <Razorflame> :)
#1345 [10:49] <Razorflame> Thanks again guys
#1346 [10:49] <Razorflame> I'll be back if I need help again :)
#1347 [10:49] <luckz> oldtopmanserver: can you tell me if I'm banned in #minecraft or just not logged in? :D
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#1349 [10:52] <McPlusPlus> [NotchBlog] .5 next week! (Anonymous) - Wed, 13 Apr 2011 16:49:39 +0200
#1350 [10:52] <McPlusPlus> [NotchBlog] .5 next week! (Anonymous) - Wed, 13 Apr 2011 16:49:39 +0200
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#1354 [10:59] <BlackStorm> hey anyone there?
#1355 [11:00] <_303> Hello.
#1356 [11:00] <BlackStorm> hey
#1357 [11:00] <BlackStorm> I have a problem with my save files, i think
#1358 [11:00] <BlackStorm> can you help me with that junk^^
#1359 [11:00] <BlackStorm> ?
#1360 [11:01] <_303> just ask your question
#1361 [11:01] <bread> ?? ask
#1362 [11:01] <VoxelHead> ask: Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help, and be as specific as possible.
#1363 [11:01] <VoxelHead> ask: If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#1364 [11:01] <BlackStorm> ok
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#1366 [11:02] <Morrolan> Lemme guess, your computer crashed and now they don't show up anymore?
#1367 [11:02] <BlackStorm> when i load a save file it load ad the first load screen pefekt but than at the "Building Terrain" loading screen it first freezed than it cashed ( the loading bar was by ~85% )
#1368 [11:03] <BlackStorm> @Morrolan no
#1369 [11:03] <BlackStorm> *perfect
#1370 [11:03] <_303> any crash report?
#1371 [11:04] <BlackStorm> no it freeze than easily close
#1372 [11:04] <SinZ> BlackStorm: any mods?
#1373 [11:04] <BlackStorm> but in mcedit i can open it
#1374 [11:04] <BlackStorm> jeah
#1375 [11:04] <SinZ> well theres your problem...
#1376 [11:05] <Morrolan> Did you install any mods which introduced new blocks, and are any of these mods not installed anymore?
#1377 [11:05] <_303> mod help -> #mcmods or if that one is dead -> #risucraft
#1378 [11:05] <_303> Morrolan: that's not an issue anymore. notch removes uninstalled blocks
#1379 [11:05] <BlackStorm> sdk planes (turbo model thingy 2.2 / audiomod, modloader, extendet minecraft ( more id's) )
#1380 [11:05] <BlackStorm> *sdk's modlodermp and guns
#1381 [11:06] <Morrolan> 303: Oh, nice, and good to know. .)
#1382 [11:06] <Morrolan> :)*
#1383 [11:06] <_303> also purges unknown items from your player inventory, but not chests etc
#1384 [11:07] <_303> BlackStorm: ask in one of the mod help channels I listed
#1385 [11:07] <BlackStorm> okay thank you ;)
#1386 [11:10] <g> Sup gaise
#1387 [11:10] <g> McPlusPlus been behaving? :P
#1388 [11:10] <NotiCon> no
#1389 [11:10] <g> oh?
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#1391 [11:11] <NotiCon> it wrote the same thing twice :(
#1392 [11:11] <g> hmm
#1393 [11:11] <g> oh, so it did
#1394 [11:11] * g scratches his head
#1394 [11:12] <g> that's kinda weird
#1395 [11:12] <g> it hasn't done that in any of the other channels
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#1398 [11:18] <Ceiltsei> Hello everybody. I am looking for information on possible memory leaks, server/client shutting down randomly since the last patch (or since 14). Is this common? I am currently having such a problem.
#1399 [11:18] <GreyVulpine> It's pretty common, yes.
#1400 [11:18] <Ceiltsei> alright. So Jeb and Notch know about it then :)
#1401 [11:19] <GreyVulpine> Could you elaborate a bit? How does it shut down?
#1402 [11:19] <Ceiltsei> Client will give an error that I have disconnected. The server may or may not be still up. When I rejoin, my inventory goes back to when the server loaded up originally. Bad for diamond mining ;)
#1403 [11:21] <GreyVulpine> Disconnected how? Timed out? Connection reset?
#1404 [11:21] <Ceiltsei> Well there are a few of us with the problem. I think mine was a connection reset, but not 100% sure, and im talking to my buddy about it right now.
#1405 [11:22] <Ceiltsei> I would have to turn the game on and walk away from it for a few hours to get the error, and sometimes it doesn't occur. :(
#1406 [11:22] <GreyVulpine> So far, it's sounding less and less common
#1407 [11:22] <Ceiltsei> uhoh.
#1408 [11:22] <Ceiltsei> also, my buddy said that the game gets more and more laggy as he plays.
#1409 [11:23] <Ceiltsei> drops to 1fps sometimes. He has a pretty decent machine too.
#1410 [11:23] <GreyVulpine> To be expected if he doesn't have enough RAM
#1411 [11:23] <Ceiltsei> He has 4gb
#1412 [11:23] <GreyVulpine> And minecraft does have some memory management issues.
#1413 [11:23] <GreyVulpine> Ooof. um.
#1414 [11:24] <GreyVulpine> How is he launching the game? Through the .exe?
#1415 [11:24] <Ceiltsei> He asked me to ask for help because he gets so frustrated that he breaks things. He hasn't been able to play it for a few days.
#1416 [11:24] <Ceiltsei> yup, the exe.
#1417 [11:24] <GreyVulpine> And is it through SP or SMP?
#1418 [11:24] <GreyVulpine> Or both?
#1419 [11:24] <Ceiltsei> We both only play SMP.
#1420 [11:24] <Ceiltsei> Havn't tried SP yet
#1421 [11:24] <GreyVulpine> The .exe only allocates a max of 1 gig for minecraft
#1422 [11:25] <GreyVulpine> It grows to that amount pretty fast.
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#1425 [11:26] <Ceiltsei> oh and something interesting. When the server goes to 1fps and he reloads it, the problem continues right away, almost like it is the map causing the lag. Doesn't explain the crashing though
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#1427 [11:26] <GreyVulpine> Is he running the server on the same machine as the client?
#1428 [11:27] <Ceiltsei> yup
#1429 [11:27] <Ceiltsei> so am i
#1430 [11:27] <Ceiltsei> we haven't had any problems until 14 though
#1431 [11:27] <Ceiltsei> er. 1.4.
#1432 [11:27] <GreyVulpine> 1.3 and 1.4 have introduced serveral elements that added dramatically to the lag issue.
#1433 [11:27] <GreyVulpine> It's a known issue, and I've sent off a couple emails about it to Mojang.
#1434 [11:28] <GreyVulpine> (new chunk/file format and netcode being a major contributer)
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#1436 [11:28] <Floris> Thanks GreyVulpine
#1437 [11:28] <Ceiltsei> well thats a good thing. What is the best way to send a bug report to Mojang? I don't have any email for them.
#1438 [11:28] <GreyVulpine> support@mojang.com
#1439 [11:28] <Floris> My friend on Vista had no problem with 1.3, upgraded to 1.4, and she has 3 seconds where gameplay is normal
#1440 [11:28] <Ceiltsei> thanks. Their site is down atm. :) I appreciate your help Grey.
#1441 [11:28] <Floris> then it completely freezes, while eerything else on her system remains working, including VLC video 720p or youtube clips in flash
#1442 [11:29] <Floris> then after 8 seconds, it plays again for a handful of seconds and freezes again
#1443 [11:29] <GreyVulpine> Ouch, that doesn't sound normal.
#1444 [11:29] <Ceiltsei> must be those damn wolves :)
#1445 [11:29] <Floris> i bought her the game, she played 1.3 for 2 days, and then hasn't since - she tries daily.
#1446 [11:29] <Floris> it's a fresh vista install, on a core2duo machine with 4gb ram. and i believe a reasonable nvidia card.
#1447 [11:30] * Kealper rawrs
#1447 [11:30] <GreyVulpine> You've checked over her video drivers, made sure they're up to date, as well as her java?
#1448 [11:30] <Floris> we tried the whole reboot thing, java update, forced upgrade, reinstalls, play through browser, etc. nothing helped.
#1449 [11:30] <GreyVulpine> Sup Kealp.
#1450 [11:30] <Kealper> ello
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#1452 [11:30] <GreyVulpine> booster tracks and detector rails are in for 1.5
#1453 [11:30] <Floris> well, she has a daughter, so she has to play in the evening, but the next thing to check for me is via teamview, the videodrivers. because its the only thing. but from what she mentioned after we asked questions, the feedback was implying its up to date.
#1454 [11:31] <Kealper> yeah, was geeking out over that yesterday lol
#1455 [11:31] <Floris> we're hoping theupgrade to 1.5 will fix the freeze issues. 1.4_01 didn't.
#1456 [11:31] <GreyVulpine> Also, lightning hitting pigs -> pigmen
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#1458 [11:31] <Moonwolf> hi
#1459 [11:31] <Kealper> hmm...
#1460 [11:31] <GreyVulpine> I don't know Floris, We can hope, but it's looking less and less likely
#1461 [11:32] <GreyVulpine> 1.5 seems to contain more new features
#1462 [11:32] <Moonwolf> anyone knows what error 503 is
#1463 [11:32] <GreyVulpine> Site's down
#1464 [11:32] <GreyVulpine> !isdown minecraft.net
#1465 [11:32] <Kealper> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
#1466 [11:32] <GreyBot> GreyVulpine: It's not just you! http://minecraft.net looks down from here.
#1467 [11:32] * Kealper restarts server in offline mode
#1467 [11:32] <GreyVulpine> Nothing you can do but wait
#1468 [11:32] <Floris> eah and let me guess, no refund policy
#1469 [11:32] <Moonwolf> fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
#1470 [11:32] <Floris> lol
#1471 [11:32] <GreyVulpine> Floris - Actually, there is a refund policy
#1472 [11:33] <GreyVulpine> If a person can't get the game to run, they're entitled to ask for a refund (within a week)
#1473 [11:33] <GreyVulpine> I've confirmed that with an email yesterday
#1474 [11:34] <Floris> my instance works fine :D just her gifted code one not, ill see when we got it, it was 1,5 days before 1.4 came out.
#1475 [11:34] <Floris> Mar 31 (13 days ago)
#1476 [11:34] <Floris> yeah
#1477 [11:34] <Floris> over a week, just because it takes time to figure out 'why' something doesn't work. oh well.
#1478 [11:35] <GreyVulpine> You may be able to ask for one anyways, they're good people
#1479 [11:35] <GreyVulpine> That is, if you still wish
#1480 [11:35] <GreyVulpine> There's a good chance this'll be fixed later.
#1481 [11:35] <Floris> its her decision anyway i guess.
#1482 [11:36] <Floris> just a shame that a gift goes to waste :P
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#1485 [11:37] <Floris> sidenote: i can't believe she runs vista, anyway.. there's the first mistake :P
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#1487 [11:38] <Moonwolf> !isdown minecraft.net
#1488 [11:38] <GreyBot> Moonwolf: It's just you. http://minecraft.net is up.
#1489 [11:38] <Moonwolf> jahu
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#1491 [11:39] <Ceiltsei> Server just came back online.
#1492 [11:39] <Floris> QUick question, when running the server (not the client, the server) on my linux box or mac server box, can i fork it easier into the background, is there a java -f blahblah option, or should i just keep using screen
#1493 [11:40] <GreyVulpine> Screen's the best option
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#1501 [12:10] <Razorflame> heya luckz :)
#1502 [12:10] <luckz> ca va
#1503 [12:10] <Razorflame> heya GreyVulpine
#1504 [12:10] <Razorflame> not much
#1505 [12:10] <Razorflame> Well
#1506 [12:10] <Razorflame> Now I face a new problem
#1507 [12:10] <Razorflame> Laptop keeps shutting off on me because of overheating problems
#1508 [12:10] <Razorflame> I was wondering....if I lower video settings, that should help, right?
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#1510 [12:11] <luckz> tell your laptop to get less warm
#1511 [12:11] <Razorflame> XD
#1512 [12:11] <luckz> ie reduce computer performance while maximizing cooling performance
#1513 [12:11] <Razorflame> So vlowering video settings would help
#1514 [12:11] <bread> laptop cooling pad
#1515 [12:11] <bread> use it on a hard surface
#1516 [12:12] <bread> clean out fans
#1517 [12:12] <bread> etc.
#1518 [12:12] <Razorflame> It is on a hard surface
#1519 [12:12] <luckz> video settings of what, the graphics chip inside it or of minecraft?
#1520 [12:12] <Razorflame> minecraft
#1521 [12:12] <luckz> I doubt that affects it at all.
#1522 [12:12] <bread> ^
#1523 [12:12] <Razorflame> Anyways
#1524 [12:12] <Razorflame> New problem
#1525 [12:12] <Razorflame> Having problems finding a good cave...
#1526 [12:12] <Razorflame> Haven't found one near my current small base
#1527 [12:12] <luckz> surely your laptop maker supplied some control panel to use to configure power usage/clock speeds
#1528 [12:13] <luckz> throw dice to determine a direction to walk; walk there :P
#1529 [12:13] <Razorflame> :P
#1530 [12:14] <Razorflame> hmmm
#1531 [12:14] <Razorflame> I'm still working on the tower...haven't started yet...still working on the aesthetics, getting stuff ready
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#1533 [12:14] <Razorflame> Been planting trees everywhere XD
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#1535 [12:15] <Benka> Join My minecraft server Ip is wasd.dk
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#1543 [12:15] <Razorflame> :o
#1544 [12:15] <Juze> Nice effort
#1545 [12:15] <Razorflame> Juze: To the user above or me?
#1546 [12:16] <Juze> No comment. :3
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#1548 [12:16] <luckz> GreyVulpine: less partying, more exploding ;D
#1549 [12:17] <Juze> :o Basic
#1550 [12:17] <Basic> Juze :D
#1551 [12:18] <Razorflame> I found Minecraft at about 3AM this morning, and watched 19 of paulsoarjr's tutorial videos XD Since then, I love the game :)
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#1553 [12:21] <Ceiltsei> Has anybody had any experience with a grinder causing corruption to a map?
#1554 [12:22] <Ceiltsei> like.. servere corruption, to the point where you cannot even join the server
#1555 [12:22] <Morrolan> A mob grinder? Nah, never had issues with those.
#1556 [12:22] <AG_Scott> Damn, no bots for me to abuse in here.
#1557 [12:23] <luckz> grinder? like wha
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#1560 [12:23] <Ceiltsei> I have two unique cases with server map corruption. Both of them have the same type of grinder (22 blocks square with various amount of floors leading to lava).
#1561 [12:24] <_303> AG_Scott: invite crow!
#1562 [12:24] <AG_Scott> I can't trick it into letting me kick/ban.
#1563 [12:24] <Ceiltsei> One server is corrupted with thousands of creepers who are standing everywhere. I have this map if someone wants to check it out. The other server just does not allow me to download the level data.
#1564 [12:24] <Ceiltsei> times out
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#1567 [12:25] <Razorflame> If Minecraft isn't shut down properly, can you lose your game save?
#1568 [12:25] <Razorflame> Because the world I was playing is gone :o
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#1570 [12:26] <alexxxx> hi :D
#1571 [12:26] <luckz> I thought it saves when you press esc (which happens automagically once you tab to IRC?), but I might be wrong, and probably am
#1572 [12:26] <Razorflame> Yeah, I made sure to save
#1573 [12:26] <Razorflame> and it loaded fine the other two times my CPU shut down from overheat
#1574 [12:27] <Razorflame> but this time, I opened MC, and I can't find my world :o
#1575 [12:27] <Razorflame> Must've been deleted somehow
#1576 [12:27] <Razorflame> :o
#1577 [12:27] <luckz> check your game folder maybe.. are you on windows or on something odd?
#1578 [12:27] <Razorflame> Windows
#1579 [12:28] <luckz> then open %appdata%\.minecraft in explorer
#1580 [12:28] <luckz> (click the address bar, paste it there, press enter)
#1581 [12:28] <luckz> (or open it by going to Start -> Run // pressing Win + R and pasting it there)
#1582 [12:29] <Razorflame> it's there
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#1584 [12:29] <Razorflame> not showing up in world list
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#1586 [12:30] <Razorflame> strange
#1587 [12:30] <Razorflame> I'll try reloading MC
#1588 [12:30] <Razorflame> see if it shows up
#1589 [12:32] <Razorflame> I think I'll just delete this save and start over
#1590 [12:32] <Razorflame> I wasn't too far in
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#1598 [13:00] <Razorflame> wow...MC has some serious performance requirements...the only other game that made my laptop overheat this much was Oblivion :o
#1599 [13:06] <Razorflame> oh yeah
#1600 [13:07] <Razorflame> I had to restart, but once I did
#1601 [13:07] <Razorflame> and built first shelter again
#1602 [13:07] <Razorflame> I stabbed a Creeper and got some Gunpowder :)
#1603 [13:07] <Razorflame> First piece of that :)
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#1606 [13:16] <VoxelHead> master?
#1607 [13:16] <NotiCon> your master is mia
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#1610 [13:25] <Razorflame> luckz: Now every time my computer overheats, I lose my saved game, even though it's saved
#1611 [13:25] <Razorflame> :o
#1612 [13:25] <VoxelHead> Omg.
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#1619 [13:36] <FUXXY> is help here?
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#1625 [13:47] <FUXXY> Hey, some help over here?
#1626 [13:47] <_303> ?? ask
#1627 [13:47] <VoxelHead> ask: Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help, and be as specific as possible.
#1628 [13:47] <VoxelHead> ask: If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#1629 [13:48] <FUXXY> my friend was downloading minecraft for playing offline and just test the game, he go up the log in square and he press log in, log in failed, now he is pressing play offline and then it says minecraft is not downloaded, someone who got another link or anything?
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#1631 [13:50] <bread> you can't get the upgrades unless you own the game.
#1632 [13:50] <aetherian> he needs to buy the game...
#1633 [13:50] <bread> ^
#1634 [13:50] <FUXXY> i downloaded the game yester day, and i can play offline?
#1635 [13:50] <bread> if you own it.
#1636 [13:50] <FUXXY> no, i dont own it
#1637 [13:50] <FUXXY> i dont got an account?
#1638 [13:50] <bread> Then no, you can't.
#1639 [13:51] <FUXXY> ye i can?
#1640 [13:51] <bread> No, you can't.
#1641 [13:51] <FUXXY> a nice guy send me a link and i downloaded and then i just start playing
#1642 [13:51] <bread> That's called 'pirating', and it's illegal.
#1643 [13:51] <bread> Also, pirating indie games is just wrong.
#1644 [13:51] <FUXXY> it was a helper
#1645 [13:52] <bread> If you downloaded the game without paying for it, you downloaded it illegally.
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#1647 [13:55] <VoxelHead> Well, i like them -_-
#1648 [13:56] <bread> I like YOU VoxelHead. :>
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#1650 [13:58] <OverSpeed301> Hi all
#1651 [13:59] <VoxelHead> =D
#1652 [13:59] <bread> :D
#1653 [13:59] <VoxelHead> -_-
#1654 [13:59] <bread> :<
#1655 [14:00] <g> Windows NT crashed.
#1656 [14:00] <g> I am the Blue Screen of Death.
#1657 [14:00] <g> No one hears your screams.
#1658 [14:00] <g> :P
#1659 [14:00] <bread> my screensaver is a collection of Windows BSODs :>
#1660 [14:00] <g> xD
#1661 [14:01] <OverSpeed301> I'm on linux (ubuntu 10.10), and when i start Minecraft.jar, minecraft gives me an error (here : http://pastebin.com/35H4xLST), can i resolve the problem ? Thanks ! (sorry for my very, very bad english)
#1662 [14:02] <g> Oof, segfault
#1663 [14:02] <g> vm_info: Java HotSpot(TM) Server VM (19.1-b02) for linux-x86 JRE (1.6.0_24-b07), built on Feb 2 2011 16:51:52 by "java_re" with gcc 3.2.1-7a (J2SE release)
#1664 [14:03] <g> Install sun's java
#1665 [14:03] <bread> are you using the OpenJDK?
#1666 [14:03] <g> (The proper one)
#1667 [14:03] <g> He's got some weird version of Sun's java
#1668 [14:03] <bread> oooh
#1669 [14:03] <bread> you should be able to `sudo apt-get install jre` or something
#1670 [14:04] <g> with `? lol
#1671 [14:04] <aetherian> sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre
#1672 [14:04] <bread> no lol
#1673 [14:04] <_303> try $ sudo update-alternatives --list java
#1674 [14:04] <bread> what aetherian said
#1675 [14:04] <aetherian> with the repository that it's in enabled
#1676 [14:04] <aetherian> partners, if I recall correctly.
#1677 [14:05] <OverSpeed301> sudo update-alternatives --list java says : /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java*
#1678 [14:05] <g> that's one weird path
#1679 [14:06] <_303> /usr/lib/jvm/jdk1.7.0/jre/bin/java ftw
#1680 [14:06] <aetherian> I install it with 'sudo apt-get install sun-java6-{jre,jdk,plugin}' myself.
#1681 [14:06] <aetherian> probably not necessary to do it like that though
#1682 [14:07] <OverSpeed301> i will try apt-get install sun-java6-jre,jdk and plugin, maybe it's the solution
#1683 [14:09] <OverSpeed301> Minecraft crashs when i try to connect on my multiplayer server
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#1687 [14:25] <dopeghoti> g: that's the normal path.
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#1689 [14:26] <dopeghoti> aetherian: the jdk package is only necessary if you need the Java development tools
#1690 [14:26] <aetherian> DopeGhoti: I said what I do is likely not necessary.
#1691 [14:26] <aetherian> @_@
#1692 [14:27] <DopeGhoti> And I was explaining why you were correct (:
#1693 [14:31] <bread> :D
#1694 [14:31] <VoxelHead> =)
#1695 [14:31] <bread> ^_^
#1696 [14:31] <aetherian> vox, eat some bread
#1697 [14:32] * VoxelHead eats some bread
#1697 [14:32] <bread> vox, eat some aetherian
#1698 [14:32] <bread> :>
#1699 [14:32] * VoxelHead eats some aetherian
#1699 [14:32] <aetherian> :D
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#1702 [14:34] <Razorflame> luckz: This time, the save is sticking :)
#1703 [14:34] <Razorflame> I had to start again
#1704 [14:34] * aetherian eats bread's cousins
#1704 [14:34] <Razorflame> but I got a nice niche in a snowy region
#1705 [14:34] <bread> :o
#1706 [14:34] <bread> D:
#1707 [14:34] <VoxelHead> well shut me up
#1708 [14:34] <Razorflame> and the surprise was, I found 14 coal in a single vein :)
#1709 [14:34] <Razorflame> was happy
#1710 [14:35] <Razorflame> and the coal vein was inside the area I made up temporary camp
#1711 [14:35] <Razorflame> :)
#1712 [14:35] <VoxelHead> =]
#1713 [14:35] <bread> :D
#1714 [14:35] <DopeGhoti> Razorflame: fortuitous.
#1715 [14:35] <Razorflame> Only problem is, it is in snowy region
#1716 [14:35] <DopeGhoti> that's a problem?
#1717 [14:35] <Razorflame> not sure if pigs spawn there
#1718 [14:35] <DopeGhoti> sure they do
#1719 [14:35] <Razorflame> Hrmm
#1720 [14:36] <Razorflame> Actually, it is a pretty good spot
#1721 [14:36] <Razorflame> It's right on the edge of a swamp region :)
#1722 [14:36] <Razorflame> right near some sugar cane :)
#1723 [14:36] <Razorflame> Not sure if I can turn it into a mine yet
#1724 [14:36] <Razorflame> Probably not
#1725 [14:36] <DopeGhoti> you can turn _anything_ into a mine
#1726 [14:37] <DopeGhoti> I turned a pile of sand into a working mine on my server (:
#1727 [14:37] <Razorflame> Yeah, but I still need to make a tower :)
#1728 [14:37] <Razorflame> Or a building on a high place XD
#1729 [14:37] <Razorflame> and I want mine to go to basement of that tower :)
#1730 [14:38] <Razorflame> About how many diamond ores should I expect in a single mine?
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#1732 [14:39] <Razorflame> I'm thinking between 3 and 9
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#1739 [14:57] <totalanni> I have a few minecraft questions, but i believe some/most are related to mineos
#1740 [14:57] <totalanni> Im not sure if this is the right place to ask them...
#1741 [14:57] * totalanni shrugs
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#1742 [15:00] <bread> mineos = a mod?
#1743 [15:00] <Razorflame> DopeGhoti: I found a second, smaller vein of 8 coal in the area I've dug myself into while I prepare for the tower
#1744 [15:01] <aetherian> mineos = operating system
#1745 [15:01] <bread> lol
#1746 [15:01] <Razorflame> If I want to go mushroom hunting, first, can they spawn in snowy regions, or should I try to find a nearby forested area?
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#1748 [15:02] <Razorflame> or is it better to try after I get my mine?
#1749 [15:03] <bread> oh you were serious aetherian
#1750 [15:03] <bread> hahah
#1751 [15:03] <VoxelHead> I will be in my lab bathing in paste.
#1752 [15:03] <bread> Well alrighty then, vox. You do that.
#1753 [15:04] <aetherian> bread: .______________.
#1754 [15:04] <bread> lol
#1755 [15:04] <Razorflame> Mushrooms?
#1756 [15:04] <bread> 8D
#1757 [15:04] <Morrolan> Razorflame: If you need mushrooms your best bet is to go to the Nether.
#1758 [15:04] <Razorflame> hiya Morrolan
#1759 [15:04] <Razorflame> Thanks
#1760 [15:04] <Razorflame> What about pumpkins?
#1761 [15:04] <Morrolan> You're welcome. :)
#1762 [15:04] <Razorflame> are they still in game?
#1763 [15:04] <Morrolan> Yea.
#1764 [15:04] <Morrolan> They're rather rare though.
#1765 [15:04] <Razorflame> Yeah
#1766 [15:04] <Razorflame> Wiki said so
#1767 [15:04] <Razorflame> XD
#1768 [15:05] <Morrolan> So you'll need to be lucky to find them. :)
#1769 [15:05] <AG_Scott> really?
#1770 [15:05] <Razorflame> best place for a chance to get one?
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#1772 [15:05] <VoxelHead> I wish they didn't have to go =[
#1773 [15:05] <AG_Scott> I've found tons of pumpkins.
#1774 [15:05] <Morrolan> AG_Scott: Yea, on the server I frequent there's a guy who has a ton of them as well.
#1775 [15:06] <Razorflame> Morrolan: Where've you found yours?
#1776 [15:06] <Razorflame> just random?
#1777 [15:06] <AG_Scott> They're generally 5+ together in a small area.
#1778 [15:06] <Morrolan> Razorflame: I don't think they spawn on certain places, but I think I found mine on hills. (With grass)
#1779 [15:06] <AG_Scott> I've found them on the side of hills etc
#1780 [15:06] <Razorflame> Yeah
#1781 [15:06] <Razorflame> They only spawn on grass
#1782 [15:06] <Morrolan> Oh, hills it seems to be then.
#1783 [15:06] <Razorflame> I guess I can't get them in snowy regions XD
#1784 [15:07] <Razorflame> looks like I'll have to find a good place :)
#1785 [15:07] <Razorflame> or make a temporary shelter while I get them
#1786 [15:07] <Razorflame> XD
#1787 [15:07] <Morrolan> Well, you can always build your house in a snowy region and go explore afterwards.
#1788 [15:07] <Razorflame> yep
#1789 [15:07] <Morrolan> Anyway, afk for some minutes
#1790 [15:07] <Razorflame> thanks for the help Morrolan :)
#1791 [15:07] <Razorflame> back when I need more help XD
#1792 [15:08] <VoxelHead> Bye razorflame.
#1793 [15:08] <aetherian> I've found pumpkin on top of a floating island in the sky...
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#1795 [15:09] <g> Maps need to be taller
#1796 [15:09] <g> for epic floating island worlds
#1797 [15:09] <Darkhero0987> I got and idea for notch how can i get ahold of him
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#1799 [15:09] <Dragonbut> Hai
#1800 [15:09] <g> ohaider
#1801 [15:10] <Dragonbut> Anyone know how to change the spawn in SMP?
#1802 [15:10] <aetherian> Darkhero0987: one doesn't simply walk into mojang D:
#1803 [15:10] <g> Dragonbut: Some server mods can do /setspawn
#1804 [15:10] <Darkhero0987> Not what i mean
#1805 [15:10] <Darkhero0987> Lol
#1806 [15:10] <Darkhero0987> Just want to send him and email or something with the idea
#1807 [15:11] <bread> one does not simply email into mojang
#1808 [15:11] <aetherian> ^
#1809 [15:11] <g> Bounce it around twitter etc
#1810 [15:11] <Dragonbut> G: Can you name a couple? :P
#1811 [15:12] <g> Dragonbut: Bukkit with Essentials
#1812 [15:12] <aetherian> psst
#1813 [15:12] <g> #bukkit for that
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#1815 [15:12] <g> Hey, hey aetherian
#1816 [15:12] <g> HEY, HEY AETHERIAN
#1817 [15:12] <Dragonbut> OKay :3
#1818 [15:12] <g> KNIFE!
#1819 [15:12] <g> :P
#1820 [15:12] <VoxelHead> wheeee KNIFE
#1821 [15:12] <g> lol
#1822 [15:12] <bread> wheeeee vox
#1823 [15:12] <Darkhero0987> Arg really thats thowe only way i can
#1824 [15:12] <Darkhero0987> Get and idea to him
#1825 [15:12] <aetherian> hang on
#1826 [15:13] <_303> well what's the idea?
#1827 [15:13] <Immortalisepic> Umm i need some help, i emailed support about a week ago and still no reply i emailed again today.
#1828 [15:13] <aetherian> I'm making something
#1829 [15:13] <g> ??index
#1830 [15:13] <g> ?? index
#1831 [15:13] <g> blarg
#1832 [15:13] <VoxelHead> index: See http://faq.xales.info for a list of FAQ entries
#1833 [15:13] <Darkhero0987> Dont want people to steal it lol
#1834 [15:13] <Darkhero0987> Hence why i want to send it to him
#1835 [15:13] <aetherian> ...
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#1837 [15:13] <aetherian> wow
#1838 [15:13] <_303> serious business
#1839 [15:13] <aetherian> and here's another example of what you can't do. http://i.imgur.com/0f9Hf.png :D
#1840 [15:13] <g> srsbsns
#1841 [15:13] <g> :P
#1842 [15:14] <_303> ??< virus
#1843 [15:14] <g> aetherian: http://goalololol.com/
#1844 [15:14] <Darkhero0987> ?
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#1846 [15:15] <meeeeeee> hi
#1847 [15:15] * g pokes meeeeeee's excessively long name
#1847 [15:15] <g> well
#1848 [15:15] <g> not long
#1849 [15:15] <g> but
#1850 [15:15] <g> yeah
#1851 [15:15] <g> :P
#1852 [15:15] <meeeeeee> i try to play offline but it wont let??
#1853 [15:15] <meeeeeee> lol
#1854 [15:16] <g> Have you bought the game?
#1855 [15:16] <meeeeeee> no
#1856 [15:16] <VoxelHead> You are a bottomless pit of questions.
#1857 [15:16] <g> There's your problem.
#1858 [15:16] <meeeeeee> idk but some one told me i still can play offline
#1859 [15:16] <g> Not legally.
#1860 [15:16] <meeeeeee> oh ouch
#1861 [15:16] <Darkhero0987> They lied
#1862 [15:17] <meeeeeee> :(
#1863 [15:17] * VoxelHead gets out a board game for meeeeeee
#1863 [15:17] <meeeeeee> lol
#1864 [15:17] <Darkhero0987> You have to still buy the game to play the full version
#1865 [15:17] <Immortalisepic> im playing offline seince i frogot my pass and email and emailed support and no answer :(
#1866 [15:17] <Darkhero0987> even offline
#1867 [15:17] <meeeeeee> oh ok ty guys
#1868 [15:17] <meeeeeee> btw nice irc :)
#1869 [15:18] <meeeeeee> ok i gtg take care all bye
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#1872 [15:19] <Razorflame> That 8 coal vein turned out to be 13 coal vein :)
#1873 [15:19] <Darkhero0987> Well i guess my idea will never get to him
#1874 [15:19] <Razorflame> I've also dug down and made a secret little basement area of this place I'm staying in right now
#1875 [15:19] <VoxelHead> We all know lemon-rev likes to crap on themselves with a throat -_-
#1876 [15:19] * g ...s
#1876 [15:20] <Darkhero0987> Thanks all
#1877 [15:20] <Morrolan> Immortalisepic: How can you POSSIBLY forget your email address?
#1878 [15:20] <Darkhero0987> No clue
#1879 [15:20] <Razorflame> Morrolan: This place that I thought was going to be temporary shelter (for first few nights is turning out to be quite a nice place
#1880 [15:21] <Razorflame> I think I'll make it a stopway through the area :)
#1881 [15:21] <Razorflame> I also got a tree farm right outside the door
#1882 [15:21] <Morrolan> Darkhero: Well, you can always send him a mail at notch@mojang.com explaining your idea , most likely it'll just go under in the flood of mails he gets.
#1883 [15:21] <Razorflame> and up the hill a ways
#1884 [15:21] <Morrolan> Razor: Ah, that's nice.
#1885 [15:21] <Immortalisepic> morroland i have about 2000 emails buddie
#1886 [15:21] <Razorflame> Thanks :)
#1887 [15:21] <Razorflame> It actually is right on the waterfront
#1888 [15:22] <Razorflame> which is frozen XD
#1889 [15:22] <Morrolan> Immortal: Well, euhm, blargh, uh, ah....
#1890 [15:22] <Razorflame> I had to fill in some spots
#1891 [15:22] <Razorflame> XD
#1892 [15:22] <Razorflame> back later
#1893 [15:22] <Morrolan> I guess that explains it. :D
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#1898 [15:41] <Hellcome> hello? someone there?
#1899 [15:41] <Hellcome> got some minecraft questions, started today
#1900 [15:41] <bread> ?? ask
#1901 [15:41] <VoxelHead> ask: Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help, and be as specific as possible.
#1902 [15:42] <VoxelHead> ask: If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#1903 [15:42] <Hellcome> ok i started today and just downloaded it, i got some basic questions about mods
#1904 [15:42] <bread> ??> mods Hellcome
#1905 [15:43] <bread> lol
#1906 [15:43] <bread> ??> Hellcome mods
#1907 [15:43] <VoxelHead> Hellcome: (mods) This channel is not a venue for support with third-party mods. For assistance with Bukkit, check #Bukkit
#1908 [15:43] <VoxelHead> Hellcome: (mods) You will find a lot of information here: http://tiny.cc/gentle-mod-install-tut Also, for forther assistance with many other mods, check #mcmods - mod help here is more likely once the official API is revealed.
#1909 [15:44] <Hellcome> ok i see this is more like ask and get an answer but not a channel to discuss right?
#1910 [15:44] <bread> er, I guess you could put it that way.
#1911 [15:45] <_303> bread: gentle-mod-install-tut has been removed, lahwran defused it into...
#1912 [15:45] <_303> http://tiny.cc/modinstall
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#1914 [15:45] <bread> hey don't blame me, yell at vox about that
#1915 [15:45] <Razorflame> Heya Morralon
#1916 [15:45] <Hellcome> i know how to install mods but well.. ok ^^
#1917 [15:45] <Razorflame> my bad
#1918 [15:45] <Razorflame> morrolan
#1919 [15:45] <Razorflame> XD
#1920 [15:46] <Razorflame> This place I dug into is getting better and better
#1921 [15:46] <Razorflame> I found a third vein of coal
#1922 [15:46] <Razorflame> but this time
#1923 [15:46] <Razorflame> I heard sounds of clanking and hissing sounds (creeper :O) from behind it, so I think I might've come across a cave :o
#1924 [15:47] <Razorflame> my goal was to make a tunnel between two sides of this mountain because I found where my main base is going to be
#1925 [15:47] <Razorflame> super high mountain on other side of mountain from base
#1926 [15:47] <Razorflame> *temporary camp
#1927 [15:47] <Razorflame> Also, I heard running water behind the coal blocks as well
#1928 [15:50] <Morrolan> 303: Wait, they removed that awesome tutorial with all these babies? Noooo. :(
#1929 [15:50] <_303> blame lahwran and lahwran alone
#1930 [15:50] <Morrolan> Razorflame: Make something nice out of it then. :)
#1931 [15:50] <Razorflame> out of what?
#1932 [15:50] <Morrolan> 303: I will.
#1933 [15:50] <lahwran> Morrolan: you're welcome
#1934 [15:50] <Morrolan> Razor: Out of that place.
#1935 [15:50] <Razorflame> I am
#1936 [15:50] <Razorflame> if I find a cave
#1937 [15:50] <Razorflame> it'll be my mine
#1938 [15:50] <Morrolan> Lahwran: How DARE you!
#1939 [15:51] <Razorflame> but I still need to make a tunnel over the other side of mountain :o
#1940 [15:51] <Razorflame> Heh
#1941 [15:51] <VoxelHead> =D
#1942 [15:51] <Morrolan> Well, I have to admit that it might not have been the most, euhm, useful tutorial, but it certainly was amusing. ;)
#1943 [15:51] <Razorflame> I swear that the mountain I found on other side of the one I current am camped in must be nearly 100+ blocks high :o
#1944 [15:52] <Razorflame> I should screenie it :)
#1945 [15:52] <Razorflame> I need to find and kill more cows too
#1946 [15:53] <Razorflame> Oh yeah...morrolan: somehow, a spider spawned inside of my base
#1947 [15:53] <Razorflame> the temporary one
#1948 [15:53] <Razorflame> took me by surprise
#1949 [15:53] <Razorflame> dunno how it got in there
#1950 [15:53] <Razorflame> I made sure it had lots of torc hes
#1951 [15:53] <Razorflame> eh
#1952 [15:53] <Morrolan> Well, spiders can climb walls, so if you have a hole in the roof it might have come in through there.
#1953 [15:54] <Razorflame> nope, only holes are the peepholes I look out of at night
#1954 [15:54] <Razorflame> Morrolan: I'm thinking of seeing if those noises I heard behind the coal is a cave or not on Peaceful mode
#1955 [15:54] <Razorflame> and if it is, I'll not continue
#1956 [15:54] <Razorflame> and turn difficulty back up
#1957 [15:54] <Razorflame> block it off
#1958 [15:54] <Razorflame> mark it
#1959 [15:54] <Razorflame> :)
#1960 [15:54] <VoxelHead> =]
#1961 [15:55] <Razorflame> that should work
#1962 [15:55] <Razorflame> brb
#1963 [15:55] <Razorflame> gonna try it now
#1964 [15:55] <VoxelHead> mmm Razorflame
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#1967 [16:07] <Razorflame> Morrolan: Unfortunately, no cave
#1968 [16:07] <Razorflame> but I went to the other side of the mountain and made the other end of the tunnel
#1969 [16:07] <Razorflame> and am camping there for the night
#1970 [16:08] <Razorflame> tunneling :D
#1971 [16:09] <Razorflame> I'm starting to get the hang of the basics of the game now
#1972 [16:09] <Razorflame> That third vein of coal was huge, though....18 pieces :o
#1973 [16:10] * VoxelHead is away: gaming
#1973 [16:10] <bread> what game are you playing, vox?
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#1976 [16:20] <Razorflame> Tunnel finished between mountain sides :)
#1977 [16:22] <Razorflame> What do I need to be aware of when I start exploring caves
#1978 [16:22] <Razorflame> besides lava
#1979 [16:22] <Razorflame> and the obvious monsters XD
#1980 [16:25] <NotiCon> gravel above you
#1981 [16:25] <Razorflame> indicating surface?
#1982 [16:25] <NotiCon> no
#1983 [16:25] <Razorflame> ?
#1984 [16:26] <NotiCon> just affected by gravity
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#1986 [16:26] <Razorflame> Ah
#1987 [16:26] <NotiCon> meaning they can kill you if they fall on top of you
#1988 [16:26] <Razorflame> yep
#1989 [16:26] <Razorflame> sand can too
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#1991 [16:26] <NotiCon> but sand is less likely to be found underground
#1992 [16:26] <Razorflame> Armor and lots of torches and good weapons are good for going down into a cave, right?
#1993 [16:27] <NotiCon> yup
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#1995 [16:27] <Razorflame> and lots of food
#1996 [16:27] <Razorflame> XD
#1997 [16:27] <Razorflame> Ok
#1998 [16:27] <Razorflame> thanks for the help
#1999 [16:27] <Razorflame> Now that my tunnel is finished
#2000 [16:27] <Coll> weather system in minecraft appears to be a bit too chaotic
#2001 [16:27] <oldtopman> Coll: 1.5 is out now?
#2002 [16:27] <Coll> no
#2003 [16:27] <Razorflame> I need to see how close to my tower building site (where I plan to build the tower) now :)
#2004 [16:27] <Razorflame> brb
#2005 [16:27] <oldtopman> :<
#2006 [16:28] <Coll> I was watching a video of it recently released
#2007 [16:28] <Coll> it raises and snows on and off too quickly and randomly
#2008 [16:28] <Coll> *rains
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#2010 [16:28] <Swagg> server down?
#2011 [16:29] * SKITFARLIG [SKITFARLIG@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#2012 [16:29] <SKITFARLIG> Hey! Just got a Minecraft gift code, downloaded the game and is about to play, but.. 'Can't connect to minecraft.net'
#2013 [16:29] <SKITFARLIG> Anyone else have this problem?
#2014 [16:30] <DopeGhoti> !isdown www.minecraft.net
#2015 [16:30] <GreyBot> DopeGhoti: It's not just you! http://www.minecraft.net looks down from here.
#2016 [16:30] <PcJamesy> humm
#2017 [16:30] <DopeGhoti> SKITFARLIG: looks like there's your answer :/
#2018 [16:30] <SKITFARLIG> Hehe ok, thanks.
#2019 [16:30] <PcJamesy> that's what i thought i would see here
#2020 [16:30] <SKITFARLIG> Does that happen alot?
#2021 [16:30] <NotiCon> no
#2022 [16:30] <PcJamesy> not recently
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#2024 [16:30] <SKITFARLIG> Ok
#2025 [16:30] <DopeGhoti> not _a lot_ but it does happen on occasion
#2026 [16:30] <PcJamesy> yes
#2027 [16:31] <DopeGhoti> once you have connected once, you'll be able to play even when the site is down
#2028 [16:31] <DopeGhoti> similar to a Steam activation for offline play
#2029 [16:31] <SKITFARLIG> ah nice
#2030 [16:31] <SKITFARLIG> is there any 'must have' mods?
#2031 [16:31] <SKITFARLIG> or do ppl usually play it as is?
#2032 [16:32] <DopeGhoti> FOr me? No, I only run the "Wait for the official mod API" mod that comes preinstalled (:
#2033 [16:32] <PcJamesy> i personaly like the elevators
#2034 [16:32] <SKITFARLIG> hehe
#2035 [16:32] <DopeGhoti> it's a matter of taste, as I suspect you're about to discover
#2036 [16:32] <SKITFARLIG> ya
#2037 [16:33] <PcJamesy> it's more like my users make me have elevators
#2038 [16:33] <PcJamesy> then get mad when it dosn't work
#2039 [16:33] <SKITFARLIG> hehe
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#2041 [16:33] <SKITFARLIG> but elevators only work in singleplayer then? or if ur an admin?
#2042 [16:34] <DopeGhoti> Well, there are single-player mods and multiplayer mods
#2043 [16:34] <PcJamesy> not it's a bukkit plugin
#2044 [16:34] <DopeGhoti> they are usually mutually incompatible
#2045 [16:34] <PcJamesy> alot are
#2046 [16:34] <SKITFARLIG> hehe ok
#2047 [16:34] <_303> not all. there is a ssp and smp planes mod
#2048 [16:34] <SKITFARLIG> well, ima check around the mod section on the forums
#2049 [16:34] <PcJamesy> SKITFARLIG look at bukkit's site and irc #bukkit
#2050 [16:35] <SKITFARLIG> what does the first s stand for? :P
#2051 [16:35] <SKITFARLIG> ok
#2052 [16:35] <_303> survival
#2053 [16:35] <SKITFARLIG> ah ty
#2054 [16:36] <SKITFARLIG> last thing.. my friend has other textures then the original ones, but hes not reachable atm. any suggestions for some cool textures?
#2055 [16:36] <_303> painterly
#2056 [16:36] <SKITFARLIG> thats it! thats the ones he is using and the name i was looking for :)
#2057 [16:36] <aetherian> quandary>painterly
#2058 [16:36] <PcJamesy> it is a matter of opinion
#2059 [16:36] <aetherian> is not D:
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#2061 [16:36] <PcJamesy> i would recomend you look around too
#2062 [16:36] <aetherian> regular>all
#2063 [16:37] <Ir0nman> Anyone know where I can get this file? stethoscopesmp.com/tkelly/lib/linux-amd64.lib
#2064 [16:37] <Beardfish> Does anyone have a mirror for minecraft_server.jar? Thanks
#2065 [16:37] <Ir0nman> its for a plugin but that link is down
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#2067 [16:37] <aetherian> Beardfish: download it from the main site.
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#2069 [16:37] <Beardfish> The main site is down
#2070 [16:37] <aetherian> then you can't get it
#2071 [16:37] <PcJamesy> Beardfish i'll pm you a like
#2072 [16:37] <Beardfish> Ok
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#2074 [16:38] <aetherian> PcJamesy: what are you PMing him?
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#2076 [16:38] <aetherian> D:<
#2077 [16:38] <DopeGhoti> Ir0nman: use apt-file search
#2078 [16:38] <PcJamesy> aetherian i have a copy i can send
#2079 [16:38] <pwnus> Beardfish: minecraft.net Y U NO work when i want to play?
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#2081 [16:38] <DopeGhoti> ??> pwnus distribution
#2082 [16:39] <VoxelHead> pwnus: (distribution) Mojang specifications makes quite clear what the rules are for redistributing the client and launcher: Do Not Distribute.
#2083 [16:39] <VoxelHead> pwnus: (distribution) This is not up for discussion, and continued posting or requesting of links other than those at minecraft.net will be met with reprisals up to and including banishment from #MineCraftHelp. You have been warned.
#2084 [16:39] <DopeGhoti> (sorry, that was for PcJamesy)
#2085 [16:39] <_303> does this affect the server jar as well?
#2086 [16:40] <pwnus> sorry i meant why is minecraft.net down?
#2087 [16:40] <bread> !isdown minecraft.net
#2088 [16:40] <GreyBot> bread: It's not just you! http://minecraft.net looks down from here.
#2089 [16:40] <DopeGhoti> _303: I am still awaiting an answer from Mojang on this, but until we hear otherwise, we ask that server binaries also be only retrieved or linked from minecreaft.net. I realize this causes grief when the site is down
#2090 [16:40] <aetherian> PcJamesy: D:<
#2091 [16:41] <pwnus> are they doing a restart or just good old fasioned glitch?
#2092 [16:41] <_303> DopeGhoti: are you in control of VoxelHead? the link to the mod install tutorial in ??mods has been deleted. the new one is at http://tiny.cc/modinstall
#2093 [16:42] <DopeGhoti> _303: thanks
#2094 [16:42] <DopeGhoti> ??< mods
#2095 [16:42] <DopeGhoti> ??~ mods|his channel is not a venue for support with third-party mods. For assistance with Bukkit, check #Bukkit
#2096 [16:43] <DopeGhoti> ??~ mods|his channel is not a venue for support with third-party mods. For assistance with Bukkit, check #Bukkit;;You will find a lot of information here: http://tiny.cc/modinstall Also, for forther assistance with many other mods, check #mcmods - mod help here is more likely once the official API is revealed.
#2097 [16:43] <DopeGhoti> there.
#2098 [16:43] <DopeGhoti> (apologies for the semiflood)
#2099 [16:43] <bread> ??>> mods bread
#2100 [16:43] <_303> also I got this notice -GreyVulpine- Probably a good idea to point people to #risucraft first, seeing as how you have more people there
#2101 [16:43] <bread> derp
#2102 [16:43] <bread> ??>> bread mods
#2103 [16:43] <bread> :D
#2104 [16:44] <DopeGhoti> _303: I used to have a reference to #risucraft, but got complaints from their denizens
#2105 [16:44] <_303> no logs -> no substance to any such claims -> nil
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#2107 [16:45] <aetherian> .-.
#2108 [16:45] <DopeGhoti> "Hey, are you referring people to our channel? Please stop." -> No logs required.
#2109 [16:47] <lahwran> <_303> no logs -> no substance to any such claims -> nil
#2110 [16:47] <_303> hi lahwran
#2111 [16:47] <oldtopman> !paid oldtopman
#2112 [16:47] <lahwran> DopeGhoti: I seem to remember saying that in #minecraft
#2113 [16:47] <oldtopman> :<
#2114 [16:47] <oldtopman> mc.net down again.
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#2116 [16:48] <Ckm2> hey
#2117 [16:48] <DopeGhoti> lahwran: come again?
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#2119 [16:48] <Ckm2> is minecraft down?
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#2122 [16:49] <oldtopman> Ckm2: Yes
#2123 [16:49] <Ckm2> :O
#2124 [16:49] <Ckm2> :( cries
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#2126 [16:49] <oldtopman> Go ahead and check !paid
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#2130 [16:50] <Razorflame> Wow
#2131 [16:50] <Ckm2> do we have an ETA on a fix?
#2132 [16:50] <Razorflame> The tunnel I built came out right where I wanted it to :)
#2133 [16:50] <Razorflame> right by the big mountain where I'm going to build the tower
#2134 [16:50] <Razorflame> :)
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#2136 [16:51] <Floris> it's almost like you looked at F3 and read out the coordiantes first :)
#2137 [16:51] <Floris> coordinates
#2138 [16:51] <Razorflame> nope
#2139 [16:51] <Razorflame> I didn't
#2140 [16:51] <Razorflame> just mined
#2141 [16:51] <Razorflame> got lucky
#2142 [16:51] <Razorflame> I won't use F3
#2143 [16:52] <Razorflame> ruins the experience, in my opinion
#2144 [16:52] <Razorflame> :)
#2145 [16:52] <Floris> how?
#2146 [16:52] <Razorflame> Shows you where dungeons are possibly located
#2147 [16:52] <Razorflame> :/
#2148 [16:53] <Floris> oh, i just check if the x is 100 blocks off or 10 ..
#2149 [16:53] <Floris> it helps with gestimates
#2150 [16:53] <aetherian> I use f3 to see my fps pretty often...
#2151 [16:53] <Floris> wow, can not type today
#2152 [16:53] <Razorflame> Floris: I knew what you meant
#2153 [16:53] <DopeGhoti> I use F3 to check FPS and ocasionally to see if I'm getting lag or the X/Z +/- 1000 bug
#2154 [16:54] <Razorflame> Well
#2155 [16:54] <Mr_oku|modding> uhh i think the rules link is down
#2156 [16:54] <Razorflame> now that I built hte tunnel
#2157 [16:54] <Floris> overruled
#2158 [16:54] <Mr_oku|modding> can i get confirmation on that?
#2159 [16:54] <Floris> one might say..
#2160 [16:54] <Razorflame> I can begin tower prep work
#2161 [16:54] <Floris> !topic
#2162 [16:54] <Razorflame> harvesting supplies
#2163 [16:54] <Razorflame> moving them from one side of mountain to other
#2164 [16:54] <Razorflame> or getting them on same side as the tower
#2165 [16:54] <Razorflame> =D
#2166 [16:54] <Razorflame> I <3 MC
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#2168 [16:55] <_303> rules link down here too
#2169 [16:55] <_303> google cache http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://mchelp.darksigns.net/rules.html
#2170 [16:56] <oldtopman> !paid oldtopman
#2171 [16:56] <oldtopman> Its up!
#2172 [16:56] <oldtopman> YAY!
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#2176 [16:58] <Ckm2> i tried conencting to th server i ahev been and it says "user not premium"?
#2177 [16:59] <Floris> You can test with your username i think
#2178 [16:59] <Floris> !paid mrfloris
#2179 [16:59] <bread> !paid tacticalbread
#2180 [16:59] <bread> :>
#2181 [16:59] <Ckm2> !paid notch
#2182 [16:59] <Ckm2> :)
#2183 [16:59] <Thoatt|bed> Please don't spam that command >.>
#2184 [17:00] <Floris> hey thoatt
#2185 [17:00] <bread> I didn't. >:|
#2186 [17:00] <Ckm2> anyone know what the user nto rpemium error is?
#2187 [17:00] <Floris> and sorry :) just trying to help the user confirm
#2188 [17:00] <Thoatt> I didn't say you were :)
#2189 [17:00] <Floris> then i take back my apology
#2190 [17:00] <aetherian> tacticalbread. heh.
#2191 [17:00] <Floris> surely i can use it later :D
#2192 [17:00] <Thoatt> It was just a friendly reminder xD
#2193 [17:00] <Thoatt> and hey Floris :D
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#2195 [17:00] <mib_rjqpq3> Hi, just came in here to ask a quick question. How do you change the directory of where minecraft.exe loads the files. ex minecraft loads from C;\\users\person\minecraft.jar but i want it to load from c:\\users\person1\minecraft.jar.
#2196 [17:01] <Thoatt> mib_rjqpq3: At this time, there is no easy way to do that.
#2197 [17:01] <aetherian> bread: http://i.imgur.com/EZ8Ku.jpg
#2198 [17:01] <aetherian> :o
#2199 [17:01] <mib_rjqpq3> Okay, whats the difficult way to do it?
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#2201 [17:02] <Thoatt> The difficult part is finding a way :D
#2202 [17:02] <mib_rjqpq3> Oh yay. Well, any LEGAL minecraft loaders i can just pop in the folder and they load the jar?
#2203 [17:03] <Thoatt> I don't have any experience with any minecraft loader other than the vanilla one.
#2204 [17:03] <aetherian> minecraft loader?
#2205 [17:03] <aetherian> wazzis?
#2206 [17:03] <bread> :D
#2207 [17:04] <aetherian> oh bread, you liked my picture?
#2208 [17:04] <aetherian> :D
#2209 [17:04] <bread> it was delicious!
#2210 [17:04] <bread> 8D
#2211 [17:04] <aetherian> cannibal D:
#2212 [17:04] <bread> >:D
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#2215 [17:07] <aetherian> Thoatt: why D:
#2216 [17:08] <Thoatt> aetherian: replacing mobo
#2217 [17:08] <aetherian> o.o
#2218 [17:08] <aetherian> and on an unrelated note
#2219 [17:08] <aetherian> what is up with people that end there sentences in a weird way^^
#2220 [17:08] <aetherian> ^^ != .
#2221 [17:09] <Thoatt> like you always do? :P
#2222 [17:09] <aetherian> I don't end with ^^ >.>
#2223 [17:09] <Thoatt> neither do I^^
#2224 [17:09] <bread> what are you guys on about $#%$!!!?!?
#2225 [17:09] <aetherian> "blah blah blah^^" is one of the more annoying things out there
#2226 [17:09] <aetherian> more annoying that !!@@!#2@1#@@@oneoneone
#2227 [17:10] <bread> lol^^^^^^^^^
#2228 [17:10] <Thoatt> I distinctly remembering a random way this laptop has to come apart... but I forget exactly how it's supposed to....
#2229 [17:10] <aetherian> ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ
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#2231 [17:11] <Essentials4370> could someone please tell me what mysql is?
#2232 [17:11] <aetherian> not that my darn computer can actually render those things >.>
#2233 [17:11] <Essentials4370> and how to install?
#2234 [17:11] * Thoatt opens up mantainence and service guide
#2234 [17:11] <Essentials4370> caus ebb needs it
#2235 [17:11] <aetherian> MySQL is a relational database management system (RDBMS) that runs as a server providing multi-user access to a number of databases. MySQL is officially ("My S-Q-L"), but is often ("Micey Quell") or ("My Sequel"). It is named for original developer Michael Widenius's daughter My.
#2236 [17:12] <JonathanS> what is it useful for?
#2237 [17:12] <JonathanS> how do i install?
#2238 [17:12] <Thoatt> Databases.
#2239 [17:12] <Thoatt> magic.
#2240 [17:12] <JonathanS> too many intsall links
#2241 [17:12] <JonathanS> what does it do?
#2242 [17:12] <JonathanS> do i need it?
#2243 [17:12] <JonathanS> databases for what?
#2244 [17:12] <Thoatt> It's a database system.
#2245 [17:13] <aetherian> http://bit.ly/hVSFP3
#2246 [17:13] <Thoatt> Fuck if I know.. You asked..
#2247 [17:13] <aetherian> just do that
#2248 [17:13] <aetherian> the previous link
#2249 [17:13] <JonathanS> uh im 13
#2250 [17:13] <JonathanS> and dont undersatnd whats it saying
#2251 [17:14] <JonathanS> in nglish please :)
#2252 [17:14] <NotiCon> JonathanS: you are going to make a phpbb forum?
#2253 [17:14] <aetherian> that was english.
#2254 [17:14] <NotiCon> but he asked for it in nglish
#2255 [17:15] <aetherian> oh
#2256 [17:15] <aetherian> my bad
#2257 [17:15] <aetherian> hang on
#2258 [17:15] <aetherian> et r a dtabse
#2259 [17:15] <aetherian> sistum
#2260 [17:16] <JonathanS> what does that mean?
#2261 [17:16] <JonathanS> database system
#2262 [17:16] <JonathanS> what does that mean?
#2263 [17:16] <JonathanS> how is it useful?
#2264 [17:16] <NotiCon> it keeps the data in a base
#2265 [17:17] <JonathanS> what data?
#2266 [17:17] <JonathanS> why?
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#2268 [17:17] <NotiCon> the data needed for the forum to work and remember stuff
#2269 [17:17] <aetherian> A database system is a term that is typically used to encapsulate the constructs of a data model, database Management system (DBMS) and database.
#2270 [17:17] <Floris> you can have a mysql database, flatfile database, etc.
#2271 [17:17] <Floris> mysql is not a flatfile database.
#2272 [17:17] <JonathanS> what data does it store?
#2273 [17:18] <aetherian> the sites data
#2274 [17:18] <aetherian> :O
#2275 [17:18] <NotiCon> the kind of data you want it to store
#2276 [17:18] <aetherian> A database is an organised pool of logically-related data, by the way.
#2277 [17:18] <JonathanS> what?
#2278 [17:18] <JonathanS> why do i need it?
#2279 [17:18] <aetherian> you don't.
#2280 [17:18] <aetherian> not you, anyway.
#2281 [17:18] <JonathanS> oh
#2282 [17:19] <JonathanS> for a plugon i do
#2283 [17:19] <JonathanS> bigbrother
#2284 [17:19] <JonathanS> or h2
#2285 [17:19] <NotiCon> dont use that plugon then
#2286 [17:19] <JonathanS> i neeeed it
#2287 [17:19] <luckz> SKITFARLIG: what to use is definitely up to the individual - I have never used a texture pack and have only played multiplayer, for example. with mods. server mods that is.
#2288 [17:19] <NotiCon> why do you need it?
#2289 [17:19] <aetherian> NotiCon: that's what s- no.
#2290 [17:19] <JonathanS> its incredible
#2291 [17:19] <JonathanS> stops griefers
#2292 [17:19] <JonathanS> i just wanna know how to install it
#2293 [17:20] <aetherian> how do you know it does that
#2294 [17:20] <JonathanS> can u guys give me a download link?
#2295 [17:20] <NotiCon> dont give griefers your ip to your server?
#2296 [17:20] <aetherian> NotiCon: unheard of!
#2297 [17:20] <JonathanS> i put it on mcserverlist.net
#2298 [17:21] <NotiCon> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=mysql JonathanS
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#2300 [17:21] <aetherian> NotiCon: I already said something like that
#2301 [17:21] <JonathanS> too many downloads
#2302 [17:21] <JonathanS> dont know which one
#2303 [17:21] <aetherian> http://bit.ly/hVSFP3 :D
#2304 [17:21] <luckz> JonathanS: what operating system are you even using
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#2306 [17:21] <JonathanS> windows
#2307 [17:21] <luckz> I'd say mysql on windows is a pretty amusing prospect
#2308 [17:22] <aetherian> wendoez
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#2310 [17:22] <luckz> then again, I find running a minecraft server (or any other daemon) on windows pretty amusing.
#2311 [17:22] <net234> Hey guys
#2312 [17:22] <aetherian> I find running a computer on windows pretty amusing
#2313 [17:22] <JonathanS> seananers here
#2314 [17:22] <net234> I have a problem with my credit card getting charged multiple times for minecraft
#2315 [17:22] <NotiCon> aetherian: oh i see
#2316 [17:23] <net234> Debit card**
#2317 [17:23] <bread> lol windows
#2318 [17:23] <net234> if it makes a difference
#2319 [17:23] <aetherian> *loldows
#2320 [17:23] <JonathanS> hello
#2321 [17:23] <net234> so any advice?
#2322 [17:23] <JonathanS> server only?
#2323 [17:23] <NotiCon> luckz: i find it more amusing that he wants to have a mod that req something he doesnt know what is
#2324 [17:23] <JonathanS> ?
#2325 [17:23] <luckz> that he doesn't get 'database thing' is reasonably amusing too, sure.
#2326 [17:23] <net234> No help?
#2327 [17:23] <JonathanS> i do too
#2328 [17:24] <luckz> net234: did you press the "charge me!" button multiple times? :D
#2329 [17:24] <JonathanS> im installing it
#2330 [17:24] <aetherian> JonathanS: okay, what is a database
#2331 [17:24] <NotiCon> net234: contact mojang
#2332 [17:24] <net234> Charge me?
#2333 [17:24] <JonathanS> a place to store data
#2334 [17:24] <luckz> net234: "YES I WANT TO PAY"
#2335 [17:24] <aetherian> JonathanS: nyet
#2336 [17:24] <aetherian> A database is an organised pool of logically-related data.
#2337 [17:24] <bread> batadase
#2338 [17:24] <JonathanS> yes it is
#2339 [17:25] <JonathanS> wow
#2340 [17:25] <JonathanS> whatever
#2341 [17:25] <NotiCon> satabade?
#2342 [17:25] <JonathanS> do i click server only?
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#2344 [17:25] <JonathanS> why isnt anyone helpful
#2345 [17:25] <JonathanS> server only?
#2346 [17:25] <NotiCon> mysql is only for servers
#2347 [17:26] <NotiCon> not for computers
#2348 [17:26] <JonathanS> ok
#2349 [17:26] <aetherian> NotiCon: what are you talking about
#2350 [17:26] <aetherian> ;O
#2351 [17:26] <NotiCon> shh
#2352 [17:28] <JonathanS> i just 8
#2353 [17:28] <JonathanS> im
#2354 [17:28] <JonathanS> 8
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#2356 [17:28] <JonathanS> birthday was today
#2357 [17:29] <bread> ._.
#2358 [17:29] * exertaei [exertaei@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#2359 [17:30] <NotiCon> oh he just got 5 years younger?
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#2361 [17:30] <JonathanS> yes
#2362 [17:30] <JonathanS> i did
#2363 [17:31] <JonathanS> ;
#2364 [17:31] <NotiCon> fair enough
#2365 [17:31] <JonathanS> youve been paying attention
#2366 [17:31] <JonathanS> great
#2367 [17:32] <JonathanS> 10 gold stars...
#2368 [17:32] <Thoatt> no thermal paste was used with this cpu... *sigh*
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#2372 [17:37] <SPaRT> does anybody of you want to create an automatic door with lock and pressure plates inside and outside?
#2373 [17:38] <luckz> "with lock"?
#2374 [17:39] <SPaRT> yes
#2375 [17:39] <SPaRT> lockable
#2376 [17:40] <luckz> (been there done that boring)
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#2379 [17:45] * VoxelHead is back
#2379 [17:45] * fogWraith sends VoxelHead away
#2379 [17:45] <VoxelHead> I do love a good sendsing.
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#2381 [17:45] <aetherian> vox, decloak
#2382 [17:45] <fogWraith> :|
#2383 [17:45] <VoxelHead> Already decloaked, sir
#2384 [17:45] <ViralNihility> Hey there. Is anyone well-versed in dedicated hosting?
#2385 [17:45] <bread> :D
#2386 [17:46] <VoxelHead> =)
#2387 [17:46] <aetherian> ViralNihility: what help do you need
#2388 [17:46] <peru> SPaRT, doors are either automatic or they are lockable, decide what you want
#2389 [17:46] <SPaRT> peru wrong, both is possible
#2390 [17:46] <ViralNihility> I was wondering how to set up a domain name with a website, though when one connects to said url via Minecraft it will connect to my server.
#2391 [17:46] <SPaRT> had this before my friend destroyed it :-/
#2392 [17:46] <peru> if you lock them, they are no longer automatic, true? :)
#2393 [17:47] <aetherian> psst, someone, help ViralNihility.
#2394 [17:47] <ViralNihility> xD
#2395 [17:48] <NotiCon> I have no valid information on that subject. Please ask someone else
#2396 [17:48] <aetherian> bread :D
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#2398 [17:48] <DopeGhoti> ViralNihility: looks like you just need DNS, not a web host
#2399 [17:48] <aetherian> but uh viral
#2400 [17:49] <Mocy> Wer Deutsches der mir helfen könnte?
#2401 [17:49] <SPaRT> yeah, if you lock them nothing will happen if u stay on the pressure plates ;)
#2402 [17:49] <DopeGhoti> Ich kann ein bischien Deutschsprache.
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#2404 [17:49] * aetherian wants crepes
#2404 [17:50] <DopeGhoti> aetherian: plenty of creeps in #minecraft (:
#2405 [17:50] <aetherian> .-.
#2406 [17:50] <Mocy> bräuchte ilfe beim Multiplayer ... wenn ich mich auf einem Server Einloggen will Hab ich einen DC
#2407 [17:50] <aetherian> there was this great street vendor in switzerland...
#2408 [17:50] <_303> tr: "disconnect upon logging into server"
#2409 [17:50] <bread> Mein Deutsch ist sehr slecht! :>
#2410 [17:50] <DopeGhoti> Mocy: Nur ein Server oder mehr als eins?
#2411 [17:50] <bread> er *schlecht
#2412 [17:51] * hmw spricht deutsch
#2412 [17:51] <Mocy> Bisher bei allen Server also 3 Stück die Ich Probiert habe
#2413 [17:51] <DopeGhoti> Ist Seinem Computer Windows, Mac, oder Linux?
#2414 [17:52] <Mocy> But the Problem is when i have a DC my hole Internet dont work... so Mozilla Dont work too.... (sorry bad englisch) x)
#2415 [17:52] <hmw> was ist ein DC in diesem Zusammenhang?
#2416 [17:52] <Mocy> Ich habe Windows Xp
#2417 [17:52] <_303> hmw: disconnect, verbindungsabbruch~
#2418 [17:52] <hmw> hmm
#2419 [17:52] <SPaRT> disconnect ^^
#2420 [17:52] <Mocy> ja erst keine verbindung zum Server dann am gesammten Pc kein Internet mehr
#2421 [17:53] <Mocy> ich weiß nicht ob es evtl an meiner Netzwerkkarte liegt aber dürfte eig nicht sein
#2422 [17:53] <SPaRT> wenn du zu nem server verbinden willst?
#2423 [17:53] <Mocy> hatte ich vorher noch nie gehabt
#2424 [17:53] <SPaRT> oder wenn du hostest?
#2425 [17:53] <hmw> Mocy: klingt seltsam. vielleicht ist das windows beschädigt oder die firewall läuft amok?
#2426 [17:53] <Mocy> nein wenn ich verbinden will
#2427 [17:53] <DopeGhoti> Machen sie '%AppData%/.minecraft' auf, und ".bin" loeschen.
#2428 [17:53] <peru> SPaRT, just build ordinary automatic door, i assume you know the redstone work involved here.. and then, to existing wiring, add AND gate just before the door, and the second input here will be lever or whatever lock you want
#2429 [17:53] <Mocy> Firewall ist immer deaktiviert x) Und wie gesagt bei allen anderren Spielen und anwendungen läuft es
#2430 [17:53] <VoxelHead> And then a panther came.
#2431 [17:53] <hmw> Mocy: DopeGhoti's vorschlag
#2432 [17:54] <Mocy> ach danke ich versuchs einen momment
#2433 [17:54] <SPaRT> peru tbh i have no idea how anything of that stuff works even though i'd like to understand it :-/
#2434 [17:54] <DopeGhoti> Haben Sie Schwein!
#2435 [17:54] <hmw> lol
#2436 [17:54] <hmw> DopeGhoti: i like your german
#2437 [17:55] <SPaRT> hast du nen router?
#2438 [17:55] <DopeGhoti> (Ich frage mich ob, dass vie "Good luck" uberzetst)
#2439 [17:55] <SPaRT> evtl müssen da die ports freigeschaltet werden @ Mocy
#2440 [17:55] <DopeGhoti> hmw: Danke.
#2441 [17:55] <DopeGhoti> Ich have deit vier Jahren studiert
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#2443 [17:55] <DopeGhoti> s/deit/seit/
#2444 [17:55] <SPaRT> DopeGhoti: good luck is "Viel Glück" in german ;)
#2445 [17:55] <Mocy> ports sind frei daran liegt es nicht.... wie finde ich die exe datei? ich habe von Mindcraft nur eine exe datei mehr nicht x)
#2446 [17:55] <hmw> DopeGhoti: you usually "have pig" but you never wish someone to have "schwein".
#2447 [17:56] <hmw> "Schwein gehabt" is "having been lucky"
#2448 [17:56] <DopeGhoti> SPaRT: hmw: I was told that 'have a pig" was colloquially 'good luck'
#2449 [17:56] <DopeGhoti> ah
#2450 [17:56] * DopeGhoti corrects that corrupted data.
#2450 [17:57] <hmw> not exactly. as said, you use it in first person only. "Hals und Beinbruch" could be said instead
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#2452 [17:57] <alexthecool> hello?
#2453 [17:57] <DopeGhoti> (I thought Glueck was 'happiness')
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#2455 [17:57] <Razorflame> well
#2456 [17:57] <Razorflame> I decided to build my tower into the side of the mountain =D
#2457 [17:57] <SPaRT> glueck = luck
#2458 [17:57] <Razorflame> it's cramped right now
#2459 [17:58] <Razorflame> XD
#2460 [17:58] <hmw> DopeGhoti: glück is luck, happiness is Freude. But you can say "Ich bin glücklich" (i am happy) argh.. german is hard i guess
#2461 [17:59] <DopeGhoti> no worse than English
#2462 [17:59] <alexthecool> i need to get a mod working, can someone help?
#2463 [17:59] <DopeGhoti> ??>> alexthecool mods
#2464 [17:59] <Mocy> Kann mir wer kurz beschreiben wo ich eine Bin Datei finde? habe nur die exe vom Download
#2465 [17:59] <hmw> alexthecool: make sure it is fit for version 1.4 before even trying
#2466 [17:59] <SPaRT> mocy welches windows?
#2467 [17:59] <peru> SPaRT, use this in google and read and learn: site:minecraftforum.net automatic door
#2468 [17:59] <Mocy> xp
#2469 [17:59] <hmw> Mocy: nach dem install kopiert er die daten nach %appdata%/.minecraft - arbeitsplatz öffnen und %appdata% in die adresszeile tippen
#2470 [18:00] <Mocy> ok danke
#2471 [18:00] <Mocy> den ordner bin löschen?
#2472 [18:00] <hmw> SPaRT: the windows version does not matter, if you navigate to %appdata% (which is a variable)
#2473 [18:00] <hmw> Mocy: den inhalt reicht
#2474 [18:00] <Mocy> ok danke :)
#2475 [18:01] <DopeGhoti> Öffnen Sie das Startmenü, und wählen Sie "Ausführen" und tippen Sie "%AppData%, und dort sollte ".minecraft". Dort löschen"bin".
#2476 [18:01] <DopeGhoti> Wow, Google Translate really mangled "Start Menu"
#2477 [18:01] <hmw> hah even easier with the start menu... didnt know that it works in XP too
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#2479 [18:01] <alexthecool> i did, i get the black screen after it loads, and then a spit second error report! i used TFCs Mod Manager 2.0 version 1.3 beta, and i manually deleted meta-inf from the minecraft.jar file!
#2480 [18:01] <Mocy> Ich danke euch :) ICh schau ob es jetzt Funktioniert wenn nicht schaue ich morgen Früh nochmal rein :) Danke und schönen abend noch..!
#2481 [18:02] <hmw> version 1.3 is not compatible with 1.4 i belive
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#2483 [18:02] <hmw> at least i couldnt install some mods for 1.3 on my 1.4 client
#2484 [18:02] <xorcon> hi
#2485 [18:02] <DopeGhoti> Es tut meir Gluecklichheit, dass ich koennte Sich helfen!
#2486 [18:02] <hmw> :)
#2487 [18:02] <xorcon> I have a question
#2488 [18:02] <alexthecool> i know, but i am using a 1.4_1 mod on minecraft 1.4_1...
#2489 [18:02] <VoxelHead> =D
#2490 [18:02] <bread> ?? xorcon
#2491 [18:03] <hmw> xorcon: would you share the question with us?
#2492 [18:03] <xorcon> is there a minecraft trial to try out the game?
#2493 [18:03] <bread> well guess that didn't work
#2494 [18:03] <bread> lol
#2495 [18:03] <DopeGhoti> bread: you forgot 'ask', and a '>'.
#2496 [18:03] <xorcon> Not to keen on buying games i dont really know if i like or not
#2497 [18:03] <DopeGhoti> xorcon: there is the free Classic mode.
#2498 [18:03] <hmw> xorcon: afaik, there is, but i heard, it is not the current beta, but an older version with less featureas
#2499 [18:03] <bread> oooh is that how it works? I've seen '?? ask' work before :o
#2500 [18:03] <DopeGhoti> ??>> bread help
#2501 [18:04] <xorcon> I've played that one, was really diffrent from the youtube videos ive seen
#2502 [18:04] <bread> well I knew the ??>> stuff, but '?? ask' displays the 'ask' topic to 'ask' so I only assumed
#2503 [18:04] <bread> I guess,
#2504 [18:04] <bread> lol
#2505 [18:04] * bread r derp
#2505 [18:04] <alexthecool> so, no ideas what to do about my black screen mod problem?
#2506 [18:05] <DopeGhoti> Yeah, Classic doesn't have any of the monsters or most of the newer features
#2507 [18:05] <DopeGhoti> Classic is like First Person Legos, the full version adds zombies (:
#2508 [18:05] <TheNytangel> no weapons or tools
#2509 [18:05] <hmw> xorcon: you want to buy it. at least after one week of testing. everybody loves mc
#2510 [18:05] <hmw> lol
#2511 [18:05] <bread> lol first person legos
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#2513 [18:05] <alexthecool> fine...
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#2515 [18:05] <xorcon> is minecraft monthly or a once and done
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#2517 [18:05] <TheNytangel> i has the planes mod and i like it :D
#2518 [18:05] <DopeGhoti> bread: '?? foo' displays the FAQ entry for 'foo' in the channel; '??> nick foo' does the same with attention to nick
#2519 [18:05] <SKITFARLIG> hey again guys! im trying to install a mod. the guide im following has a bad feel to it, so i just have to confirm. do i really need to delete the meta-inf folder from minecraft.jar?
#2520 [18:05] <hmw> xorcon: once and done
#2521 [18:05] <TheNytangel> xorcon, its forever
#2522 [18:06] <bread> yeah I read the notice vox sent me, and it all made sense to me!
#2523 [18:06] * TheNytangel was ninja's
#2523 [18:06] * TheNytangel was ninja'd*
#2523 [18:06] <DopeGhoti> hmw: do you speak German natively?
#2524 [18:06] <hmw> yes
#2525 [18:06] <hmw> .at
#2526 [18:06] <TheNytangel> wuts .at mean in german?
#2527 [18:06] <hmw> austria sry
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#2529 [18:06] <SKITFARLIG> Delete META-INF from minecraft.jar for modding? (Y/N)
#2530 [18:06] <DopeGhoti> Truthfully, how awful is my "a decade ago in high school" German reccollection? (:
#2531 [18:06] <SKITFARLIG> ;)
#2532 [18:06] <VoxelHead> -_-
#2533 [18:06] <TheNytangel> SKITFARLIG, Y
#2534 [18:07] <SKITFARLIG> ty
#2535 [18:07] <TheNytangel> watch a video or two
#2536 [18:07] <hmw> SKITFARLIG: dunno. make a backup of the %appdata%/.minecraft folder first, then try
#2537 [18:07] <hmw> DopeGhoti: i can understand you quite well, but it is quite incorrect *g*
#2538 [18:07] <SKITFARLIG> ya, didnt think about making a backup, ty ;)
#2539 [18:08] <SKITFARLIG> ich liebe dich! <3
#2540 [18:08] <SKITFARLIG> laters
#2541 [18:08] <TheNytangel> :o
#2542 [18:08] <TheNytangel> your ditching me >:(
#2543 [18:08] <VoxelHead> oh my
#2544 [18:08] <DopeGhoti> hmw: Yeah, I do a lot of "Not sure what the correct word is, but I can try to stitch one together out of the bits that I know"
#2545 [18:08] <bread> well, your German is far better than mine
#2546 [18:08] <DopeGhoti> I try not to fall back onto Google Translate if I don't have to
#2547 [18:09] <hmw> perhaps you should read more german stuff. perhaps surf the german wikipedia every now and then
#2548 [18:10] <aetherian> hmw
#2549 [18:10] <hmw> aetherian
#2550 [18:10] <bread> bread
#2551 [18:11] <aetherian> bread :D
#2552 [18:11] <bread> :D
#2553 [18:11] <VoxelHead> :-)
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#2555 [18:11] <bread> :>
#2556 [18:11] * bread rents a pib.
#2556 [18:11] <bread> er
#2557 [18:11] <bread> pig
#2558 [18:12] <Rent_A_Pig> hello
#2559 [18:12] <DopeGhoti> hmw: not a bad idea; thanks (:
#2560 [18:12] <DopeGhoti> I used to play on the German Puzzle Pirates server
#2561 [18:13] <Rent_A_Pig> question for anyone with knowledge of MC on Ubuntu
#2562 [18:13] <hmw> i find it quite interesting, how many us americans study german
#2563 [18:13] <hmw> Rent_A_Pig: i run my server in ubuntu, no problems after all
#2564 [18:13] <Rent_A_Pig> how do I install the jar file in 10.10?
#2565 [18:14] <hmw> Rent_A_Pig: you dont install java programs, you just run them. right click and execute with java runtime thingy
#2566 [18:14] <hmw> or install java first lol
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#2568 [18:14] <aetherian> or alternately, with "java -jar minecraft.jar"
#2569 [18:14] <bread> ^
#2570 [18:14] <aetherian> 'show I do it
#2571 [18:14] <bread> yay command line
#2572 [18:14] <bread> :D
#2573 [18:14] <aetherian> :D
#2574 [18:14] <VoxelHead> =]
#2575 [18:14] <bread> :>
#2576 [18:14] <aetherian> :}
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#2578 [18:16] <Rent_A_Pig> so do I open the .jar file once I click it @the Minecraft site?
#2579 [18:16] <Rent_A_Pig> (archive manager)
#2580 [18:16] <bread> noo
#2581 [18:17] <bread> open a terminal, cd to the directory you saved it to
#2582 [18:17] <bread> and type 'java -jar minecraft.jar'
#2583 [18:17] <aetherian> or like I do, java -jar mi[tab].[tab]
#2584 [18:17] <aetherian> :D
#2585 [18:17] <bread> pfft
#2586 [18:17] <VoxelHead> -_-
#2587 [18:17] <bread> java -jar m[tab]
#2588 [18:17] <hmw> Rent_A_Pig: think of the .jar file as a windows-exe, which is portable (doesnt need installing)
#2589 [18:17] <aetherian> I keep it in the same directory as my server
#2590 [18:17] <hmw> you usually dont open it
#2591 [18:18] <hmw> you just execute the whole jar
#2592 [18:19] <hmw> to be precise: the java runtime software is executing the program in the jar
#2593 [18:20] <Rent_A_Pig> ok I have it in Downloads... what is the command? Sorry been so lone sense I tried to do something like this and just never took tine to learn...
#2594 [18:20] <Rent_A_Pig> *long
#2595 [18:20] <bread> cd ~/Downloads
#2596 [18:20] <bread> java -jar minecraft.jar
#2597 [18:20] <hmw> Rent_A_Pig: dont be lazy and use the scroll bar lol
#2598 [18:21] <aetherian> I'd recommend
#2599 [18:21] <hmw> will calling it like java -jar /path/to/minecraft.jar make any difference?
#2600 [18:21] <aetherian> making a blank file on your desktop, renaming it minecraft.sh
#2601 [18:21] <Rent_A_Pig> Unable to access jarfile minecraft.jar
#2602 [18:21] <bread> hmw: it shouldn't!
#2603 [18:21] <aetherian> Rent_A_Pig: then it's not there
#2604 [18:21] <aetherian> did you type cd ~/Downloads (or cd ~/downloads)
#2605 [18:22] <hmw> Rent_A_Pig: remember, file names are case SENSITIVE
#2606 [18:22] <hmw> unlike windows
#2607 [18:22] <Rent_A_Pig> FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
#2608 [18:22] <aetherian> MineCRAfT.jAR
#2609 [18:22] <bread> lol
#2610 [18:22] <hmw> i suspect, he used ~/downloads instead of ~/Downloads
#2611 [18:22] <Rent_A_Pig> cd ~/downloads
#2612 [18:23] <Rent_A_Pig> shit it worked!!!!
#2613 [18:23] <bread> \o/
#2614 [18:23] * VoxelHead is blown off feet by force of rent_a_pig's statement
#2614 [18:23] <Rent_A_Pig> thanks to all
#2615 [18:23] <Rent_A_Pig> O.o I fail but u epic win
#2616 [18:23] <hmw> Rent_A_Pig: it is a good idea, always to use TAB-autocompletion. type "cd ~/D<TAB>" and see the options
#2617 [18:23] <bread> Except bash's tab completion sucks. :<
#2618 [18:23] <_303> zsh all the way
#2619 [18:23] <bread> ^
#2620 [18:24] <hmw> hm. well. i only know bash really.
#2621 [18:24] <bread> Well I write scripts in bash still
#2622 [18:24] <aetherian> uh rent
#2623 [18:24] <bread> but I use zsh as my shell
#2624 [18:24] <aetherian> make a shell script on your desktop for easy access
#2625 [18:24] <Rent_A_Pig> I sooooo need to get into learning all this shit lol
#2626 [18:24] <hmw> guess i am ready now to compare the shells...
#2627 [18:24] <bread> dooo it!
#2628 [18:25] <hmw> http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ (bash scripting guide)
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#2630 [18:25] <Rent_A_Pig> I started using Ubuntu @ lynx and still know so little
#2631 [18:25] <aetherian> then don't use ubuntu
#2632 [18:25] <hmw> Rent_A_Pig: lol i know that feeling. look into LFS and master the subject
#2633 [18:25] <aetherian> I'd recommend using Debian, or some variant thereof, not including lolbuntu
#2634 [18:25] <bread> hmw: if you try out zsh, I definitely reccomend trying it with this .zshrc http://grml.org/zsh/
#2635 [18:25] <bread> and what aetherian said
#2636 [18:26] <bread> Ubuntu is zero help for learning Linux
#2637 [18:26] <bread> ( I Used it for four years, and was still a Linux noob )
#2638 [18:26] <aetherian> I'd highly recommend #!
#2639 [18:26] <hmw> well... after you built your own LFS (linux from scratch), you will be fit for linux
#2640 [18:26] <aetherian> crunchbang :D
#2641 [18:27] <bread> yay Arch \o/
#2642 [18:27] <hmw> ...and you will still think, you suck lol
#2643 [18:27] <DopeGhoti> ubuntu is a perfectly good distro to cut one's teeth on if they just want ot see Linux work, if you want to get elbows-deep and know _how_ it works, I'd advise Arch, Gentoo, or Slackware
#2644 [18:27] <bread> ^
#2645 [18:27] <bread> those three are the best <3
#2646 [18:28] <hmw> LFS == Gentoo without automatisation (well there is ALFS)
#2647 [18:28] <hmw> LFS is actually a book, not a distro
#2648 [18:28] <bread> I tried to try LFS one time
#2649 [18:28] <bread> but compiling GCC failed
#2650 [18:28] <bread> lol
#2651 [18:28] <hmw> it is hard, admitted, but it pays. my LFS took me 5 months
#2652 [18:28] * DopeGhoti vaguely remembers Sourceror
#2652 [18:28] <bread> I'll probably try again with the live CD
#2653 [18:28] <hmw> yeah, thats much easier
#2654 [18:29] <DopeGhoti> My first distro was Slackware 2. Its package manager was called 'tar'.
#2655 [18:29] <hmw> lovely
#2656 [18:29] <DopeGhoti> (and 'make')
#2657 [18:29] <DopeGhoti> I never did do an LFS box; I maybe should at some point.
#2658 [18:29] <hmw> i like one of the LFS's packacke management "systems" - you create a user for every single package, then intall from within that user. for uninstalling, you just "find" all files of the regarding user
#2659 [18:29] <DopeGhoti> "because I'm a nerd"
#2660 [18:30] <Rent_A_Pig> so I should start looking for something else when Natty comes out?
#2661 [18:30] <DopeGhoti> hmw: well, truthfully, that is a perfectly reasonable way to do it.
#2662 [18:30] <DopeGhoti> Rent_A_Pig: why do you ask?
#2663 [18:30] <bread> hehe Slackware has package management now, albiet very simple
#2664 [18:30] <DopeGhoti> Rent_A_Pig: if you're using Ubuntu and it works, and you like it; I'd say if it ain't broke; don't break it.
#2665 [18:30] <hmw> Rent_A_Pig: ubuntu is nice and fine, but it prevents you from hacking into the terminal. thats the reason. just get used to the terminal, and youre good
#2666 [18:30] <DopeGhoti> hmw: what
#2667 [18:31] <DopeGhoti> "prevents you from hacking into the terminal"?
#2668 [18:31] <hmw> ubuntu does most things in the GUI which makes people not use the terminal
#2669 [18:31] <VoxelHead> yes, but only at the weekend
#2670 [18:31] <DopeGhoti> hmw: I do _everything_ except web browsing in terminals on my Ubuntu boxen
#2671 [18:31] <hmw> DopeGhoti: then you learned your lesson already
#2672 [18:31] <bread> even configuring the system?
#2673 [18:31] <DopeGhoti> bread: Yes.
#2674 [18:31] <VoxelHead> exeter
#2675 [18:31] <hmw> bread: of cource
#2676 [18:31] <bread> how does that work out?
#2677 [18:31] <Rent_A_Pig> I just need/want to get balls deep into it and know every step my PC can make and how to make it
#2678 [18:31] <hmw> course
#2679 [18:32] <bread> How does one configure lolbuntu via CLI
#2680 [18:32] <hmw> Rent_A_Pig: go through the LFS process once and you will never complain about beeing a linux noob again
#2681 [18:32] <DopeGhoti> bread: with one part /bin/bash; one part /bin/vim
#2682 [18:32] <bread> lol
#2683 [18:32] <hmw> bread: apt-get
#2684 [18:32] <hmw> bread: vim
#2685 [18:32] <aetherian> nano
#2686 [18:32] <hmw> yes, but not emacs
#2687 [18:32] * aetherian chants, "nano nano nano"
#2687 [18:32] <hmw> emacis is said to be its own OS
#2688 [18:33] <bread> But Ubuntu is soooo convoluted
#2689 [18:33] <DopeGhoti> emacs (n): A fully features operating system that lacks a good text editor
#2690 [18:33] <bread> lol
#2691 [18:33] <AG_Scott> GUIs are great for workstations. I have no interest in setting in a terminal when working on my workstation.
#2692 [18:33] <hmw> lol
#2693 [18:33] <DopeGhoti> bread: it's not convoluted at all. It's debian with a soft candy shell.
#2694 [18:33] <DopeGhoti> and debian is fine, just slow to update
#2695 [18:33] <DopeGhoti> which is why I prefer ubuntu
#2696 [18:33] <hmw> AG_Scott: i believe, using the GUI slows you down, if you are good at the command line
#2697 [18:33] <bread> ^
#2698 [18:33] <bread> GUI is heaps slow
#2699 [18:34] <hmw> and this also
#2700 [18:34] <AG_Scott> never really noticed.
#2701 [18:34] <aetherian> unless you fail at typing
#2702 [18:34] <bread> lol
#2703 [18:34] <DopeGhoti> I prefer the other acronym: WIMP (Windows, Icons, and Mouse Pointing)
#2704 [18:34] <hmw> lol
#2705 [18:34] <AG_Scott> CLI on servers, GUI on workstations.
#2706 [18:34] <aetherian> haha
#2707 [18:34] <hmw> thanks for that acronym!
#2708 [18:34] <AG_Scott> Works for me and that's what I intend to stick with.
#2709 [18:34] <aetherian> CLI and GUI on home computer :D
#2710 [18:34] <DopeGhoti> you don'e even have to 'fail' at typing with bash_completion (:
#2711 [18:34] <VoxelHead> ag_scott: that and me
#2712 [18:34] <DopeGhoti> hmw: cheers (:
#2713 [18:35] <DopeGhoti> VoxelHead: be quiet, please
#2714 [18:35] * VoxelHead goes to find someone more interesting to talk to
#2714 [18:35] <aetherian> I <3 Debian (based things)
#2715 [18:35] <bread> Arch all da way :.
#2716 [18:35] <bread> :>
#2717 [18:35] <DopeGhoti> I hate Hate *hate* redhat-descended systems
#2718 [18:35] <aetherian> I've never "really" used a redhat descended system myself
#2719 [18:35] <Rent_A_Pig> redhat I KNOW is for old ppl
#2720 [18:35] <DopeGhoti> I've seen so many flavors of RPM hell
#2721 [18:35] <hmw> i'd love bsd, if there was better hardware support
#2722 [18:36] <aetherian> DopeGhoti: did it come in orange?
#2723 [18:36] <DopeGhoti> "oh, you can't install php-mysql; it needs mysql, and you have MySQL installed because your hosting providor is a moron and custom-rolled this CentOS build" Arrrgh.
#2724 [18:36] <Rent_A_Pig> lol
#2725 [18:36] <DopeGhoti> I am not kidding about that particular problem
#2726 [18:36] <hmw> ouch
#2727 [18:37] <aetherian> my guess is that CentOS < MostRedHat
#2728 [18:37] <hmw> shouldnt a softlink solve this?
#2729 [18:37] <AG_Scott> RHEL is great for enterprise environments where you need commercial support.
#2730 [18:37] <aetherian> anyone here like suse?
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#2733 [18:37] <hmw> a friend of mine tried it recently and loves it
#2734 [18:38] <aetherian> still, I <3 nano
#2735 [18:38] <hmw> nano is nice, but vim... wow... IF you manage to learn the weird commands, it rocks big time
#2736 [18:39] <DopeGhoti> no, a softlink won't convince the package manager of anything
#2737 [18:39] <DopeGhoti> vim is incredible.
#2738 [18:39] <lukegb> DopeGhoti: but downloading the rpm manually and forceinstalling it will! :D
#2739 [18:39] <lukegb> <3 vim
#2740 [18:39] <hmw> one day i found myself actually coding by using the replace stuff only! lol
#2741 [18:39] <DopeGhoti> and at that moment, hmw, you were Enlightened
#2742 [18:39] <hmw> there is no spoon
#2743 [18:40] <aetherian> I may get around to learning vi someday 9and thus vim)
#2744 [18:40] <DopeGhoti> I had my moment of Enlightenment today when I realized I could speak regexp whilst hopped up on percocet-flavored goofballs
#2745 [18:40] <aetherian> 9 = (
#2746 [18:40] <Rent_A_Pig> wow i can't help but think I just sturd up a shitstorm lmao
#2747 [18:40] <DopeGhoti> aetherian: run `vimtutor`
#2748 [18:40] <DopeGhoti> it's worth the time
#2749 [18:40] <DopeGhoti> Rent_A_Pig: just a converstaion
#2750 [18:40] <hmw> learning vi has one critical advantage: you find it everywhere. i am not so sure about nano
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#2752 [18:40] <Rent_A_Pig> samething
#2753 [18:40] <DopeGhoti> indeed, vi is installed nearly everywehere, naao less so
#2754 [18:40] <hmw> otoh, one doesnt need to learn nano
#2755 [18:41] <Rent_A_Pig> wow I am gonna be hooked on this IRC for life.... lol
#2756 [18:41] <aetherian> who was it that said one time here something along the lines of "Let's talk about something less controversial, such as religion of politics"
#2757 [18:41] <hmw> heheh
#2758 [18:41] <DopeGhoti> yes, but you can't _do_ anyhting in nano
#2759 [18:41] <VoxelHead> :o)
#2760 [18:41] <aetherian> DopeGhoti: you can :o
#2761 [18:41] <aetherian> all I need a text editor for is manually editing text.
#2762 [18:42] <hmw> nano is totally ok
#2763 [18:42] <aetherian> and occasionally writing small python tidbits
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#2765 [18:42] <hmw> does nano have hilighting?
#2766 [18:42] <aetherian> yes
#2767 [18:42] <hmw> ah cool
#2768 [18:42] <bread> it does? :o
#2769 [18:42] <DopeGhoti> hmw: not by default
#2770 [18:42] <aetherian> what?
#2771 [18:42] <hmw> yea mine doesnt have it
#2772 [18:42] <aetherian> it always has whenever I install it D:
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#2774 [18:42] <hmw> or i just need to turn it on perhaps?
#2775 [18:42] <DopeGhoti> if you're going to use nano, don't, and use joe
#2776 [18:43] <hmw> sed ftw
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#2778 [18:43] <DopeGhoti> which is the only one I'd consider other than vim
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#2780 [18:43] <DopeGhoti> hmw: real coders edit textfiles with `/bin/dd`
#2781 [18:43] <hmw> heheh
#2782 [18:43] <VoxelHead> =]
#2783 [18:43] <Razorflame> Tower is coming along :)
#2784 [18:43] <hmw> cat << EOF
#2785 [18:43] <bread> how do I tell vim to keep syntax hilighting on? :O
#2786 [18:44] <aetherian> hang on, I'll get a nice pic of nano syntax highlighting
#2787 [18:44] <_303> add it to .vimrc
#2788 [18:44] <hmw> ~/.vimrc
#2789 [18:44] <Razorflame> Cleared out the dirt ceiling and made it into cobblestone
#2790 [18:44] <DopeGhoti> bread: usually edit /wec/vimrc
#2791 [18:44] <DopeGhoti> er, /etc/vimrc
#2792 [18:44] <bread> oooh I didn't know there was a ~/.vimrc or anything
#2793 [18:44] * bread r derp
#2793 [18:44] <hmw> it isnt there by default
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#2795 [18:44] <DopeGhoti> (/etc/vimrc would be global, ~/.vimrc is per-user; just `cp /etc/vimrc ~/.vimrc && vim ~/.vimrc)
#2796 [18:44] <hmw> bread: typical RTFM?
#2797 [18:45] <DopeGhoti> and seriously anyone even moderately curious about vim: run vimtutor; you will learn a _lot_
#2798 [18:45] <bread> heh I did :help in vim :P
#2799 [18:45] <DopeGhoti> :vimtutor > :help (:
#2800 [18:45] <DopeGhoti> :help is good for reference, but not as a guide per se, IME
#2801 [18:46] <hmw> i am too silly to use :help
#2802 [18:46] <bread> I actually saw vimtutor in help, but haven't gotten around to doing it, because it said '30 minute course' :P
#2803 [18:46] <DopeGhoti> vimtutor starts with the basics and quickly gets you to at least a red-belt in vim-fu
#2804 [18:46] <aetherian> okay I got a pic
#2805 [18:46] <hmw> i always struggle to get out of it
#2806 [18:46] <MattJones> "Login throttled, too many attempts. Try again in a couple of minutes."
#2807 [18:46] <aetherian> http://i.imgur.com/L8deM.png <-- I did not make the code, I just stole it from the Internet
#2808 [18:46] <MattJones> This won't go away :(
#2809 [18:46] <DopeGhoti> hmw: you quit a helpdoc just like any other, ':q'
#2810 [18:46] <hmw> meanwhile, i know that rofl
#2811 [18:46] <DopeGhoti> MattJones: it will in a few minutes, like it says on the tin
#2812 [18:47] <bread> my main beef with nano is how it does line breaks. >:|
#2813 [18:47] <DopeGhoti> bread: `nano -w` if you _must_ use nano.
#2814 [18:47] <aetherian> what don't you like about it?
#2815 [18:47] <aetherian> I like that it doesn't scroll by default.
#2816 [18:47] <aetherian> err, loop or whatever
#2817 [18:47] <DopeGhoti> aetherian: if you don't use -w, it insists on linewrapping for you
#2818 [18:47] <aetherian> what?
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#2820 [18:47] <bread> what I meant was,
#2821 [18:47] <hmw> eek line wrapping is evil
#2822 [18:47] <DopeGhoti> which, if you are coding, is a Bad Thing
#2823 [18:47] <aetherian> not for me...
#2824 [18:47] <aetherian> it just keeps going
#2825 [18:48] <DopeGhoti> aetherian: your .nanorc probably has wide mode turned on then
#2826 [18:48] <hmw> gedit rocks, too
#2827 [18:48] <bread> if there's a line that's scrolled off the screen, and I add to it, it splits it to th enext line
#2828 [18:48] <bread> which is horrible
#2829 [18:48] <aetherian> it makes a $ at the end of the line
#2830 [18:48] <aetherian> and I can move over, and it will reveal
#2831 [18:48] <hmw> a $ not a \ ?? wtf?
#2832 [18:48] <DopeGhoti> $ is /re/ for "end of line"
#2833 [18:48] <aetherian> hang on
#2834 [18:49] <DopeGhoti> it's nano's visual shorthand for 'the end of the line is over there --->'
#2835 [18:49] <Wug> what is the in game ID of an equipped item?
#2836 [18:49] <Wug> i'll give you 1 hint: the wiki is wrong.
#2837 [18:49] <aetherian> whatever anyway
#2838 [18:49] <hmw> i never understood those weird codes, which wont work with /give. i assumed it is for coders?
#2839 [18:50] <_303> Wug: ?
#2840 [18:50] <aetherian> yeah, I like how nano handles linewrapping for me, which seems to be different than others
#2841 [18:50] <Wug> items in the main inv have slot numbers 0 through 25
#2842 [18:50] <Wug> 35*
#2843 [18:50] <Wug> equips have 36-39
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#2845 [18:50] <hmw> Wug: how would you use these?
#2846 [18:50] <Wug> the wiki info applies only to save data
#2847 [18:51] <Wug> modifying items in game works a little differently
#2848 [18:52] <hmw> i perfer to get my stuff by solid playing
#2849 [18:52] <hmw> using /give takes too much of the fun away imo
#2850 [18:52] <aetherian> I get mine by liquid playing
#2851 [18:52] <hmw> lol i am not an english native speaker
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#2853 [18:53] <bakemysnake> hi
#2854 [18:53] <bakemysnake> how do i register nick
#2855 [18:53] <hmw> *whining* why did they reset the white list? morons!
#2856 [18:53] <DopeGhoti> hmw: your English is better than that of most American native English speakers with whom I converse (:
#2857 [18:53] <DopeGhoti> ??> bakemysnake irc
#2858 [18:53] <VoxelHead> bakemysnake: (irc) For IRC help, you should ask in the channel #help - you can get there using the command "/join #help"
#2859 [18:53] <VoxelHead> bakemysnake: (irc) If you can't talk in #minecraft ("Cannot send to channel") you must register your IRC nickname, using the command "/msg NickServ REGISTER password email". Remember to use a valid email. Go to #help if you need further assistance with this
#2860 [18:53] <hmw> lol i have heard that before
#2861 [18:53] <MattJones> Dope: it's been like this for a good 15-20 minutes, and when it first happened I had only attempted once
#2862 [18:54] <bakemysnake> ty
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#2864 [18:54] <DopeGhoti> MattJones: it's not just you who's pounding the server I'm afraid
#2865 [18:54] <MattJones> Alright, just making sure
#2866 [18:54] <hmw> maybe restarting the server, MattJones?
#2867 [18:54] <MattJones> I'm logging in on the web page
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#2870 [18:55] <DopeGhoti> the web dev has been tinkering with the backend.
#2871 [18:55] <bread> I'd have to install 250MB worth of stuff if I want konsole
#2872 [18:55] <bread> lol
#2873 [18:56] <MattJones> Oh nevermind I was thinking it meant MY login was throttled due to too many password attempts lol
#2874 [18:56] <MattJones> Not as worried
#2875 [18:56] <hmw> considering, that a million people payed for the game, i wonder, why the mc server sucks so much
#2876 [18:57] <hmw> quit: Quit: QUIT. Quit it!
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#2878 [18:58] <bread> ^C^C^C^C^X^X^X^X^X:QUIT!
#2879 [18:58] <DopeGhoti> ?? mc.net/hosting
#2880 [18:58] <VoxelHead> mc.net/hosting: Since migrating over to Amazon's EC2 cloud, the cluster servers for minecraft.net have been under impressive strain. It has continually buckled under the pressure of registering users, authenticating clients, crediting accounts, providing custom skin content, maintaining a classic server directory, as well as providing a front-end website for users.
#2881 [18:58] <VoxelHead> mc.net/hosting: This is clearly not intended and Mojang is working on a new server arrangement, but is ensuring that it's done properly and not just quickly as was the move to Amazon.
#2882 [18:58] <hmw> the isminecraftdown web site lied to me earlier this evening... anyone knows what was going on?
#2883 [18:59] <Kanibull> so what should i do to get from not having minecraft at all to have minecraft up and running?
#2884 [18:59] <hmw> Kanibull: register on minecraft.net, buy, download. piece of cake.
#2885 [19:00] <hmw> perhaps update your java Kanibull
#2886 [19:00] <Kanibull> ok is there a way to legally play for free?
#2887 [19:00] <bread> no
#2888 [19:00] <hmw> yes, but an older version with a lot of missing features
#2889 [19:00] <bread> well, Classic
#2890 [19:00] <hmw> minecraft classic
#2891 [19:00] <bread> first person legos
#2892 [19:00] <Kanibull> does the beta look exactly the same?
#2893 [19:01] <DopeGhoti> exactly? no.
#2894 [19:01] <DopeGhoti> Largely? yes
#2895 [19:01] <Kanibull> in terms of just the 8 bit look
#2896 [19:01] <hmw> quite the same, but more stuff
#2897 [19:01] <bread> it's not 8bit.
#2898 [19:01] <DopeGhoti> the motif is quite similar
#2899 [19:01] <bread> It's 'pixelated'
#2900 [19:01] <Keltinray> Classic and Beta have similar look, but Beta is much more awesome.
#2901 [19:01] <DopeGhoti> it's retro.
#2902 [19:01] <Kanibull> so im paying for added features?
#2903 [19:01] <DopeGhoti> or even neoretro
#2904 [19:01] <bread> ^
#2905 [19:01] <bread> but in no way, is it '8bit'
#2906 [19:01] <DopeGhoti> added features and an entirely different game mode. And zombies. And creepers. And crafting
#2907 [19:02] <hmw> wow, thats all missing in classic? that sux
#2908 [19:02] <Kanibull> so when that becomes obsolete will i have to pay for a newer minecraft?
#2909 [19:02] <DopeGhoti> hmw: My understanding is that the plan is to re-add classic to the current code and allow that to be played for free
#2910 [19:02] <Keltinray> Classic is old :p
#2911 [19:02] <hmw> Kanibull: you pay once and get all future updates
#2912 [19:02] <DopeGhoti> no, if you buy the beta you get all updates to release, plus bug fixes, but not any "expansions"
#2913 [19:03] <Kanibull> did you ever have to pay to get classic?
#2914 [19:03] <DopeGhoti> No.
#2915 [19:03] <DopeGhoti> Classic has always been free
#2916 [19:03] <Kanibull> so classic was always free?
#2917 [19:03] <DopeGhoti> Classic has always been free
#2918 [19:03] <Kanibull> and now i would be paying for a beta that is still in its testing?
#2919 [19:03] <hmw> the earlier you buy, the cheaper
#2920 [19:03] <bread> now, you would be paying for _minecraft_
#2921 [19:04] <bread> you buy it once, you have it forever
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#2923 [19:06] <hmw> i think, the beta should be available for testing prior to paying. many people hesistate to buy, before they actually played it
#2924 [19:07] <hmw> and one cant really compare the beta with classic
#2925 [19:07] <xorcon> ^
#2926 [19:07] <hmw> no crafting? srsly? aaw
#2927 [19:07] <xorcon> i lag like fuck on the classic
#2928 [19:07] <DopeGhoti> don't use dial-up
#2929 [19:07] <xorcon> i dont lmao
#2930 [19:08] <hmw> get a faster pc. at least _I_ should.
#2931 [19:08] <xorcon> i can run big games with out lag
#2932 [19:08] <hmw> running on a P4
#2933 [19:08] <Kanibull> well its just that this is my first time trying it and i wouldnt want to pay for something with no way of getting a refund if i felt that it wasnt worth it
#2934 [19:08] <hmw> Kanibull: thats understantable
#2935 [19:08] <xorcon> it looks amazing on youtube but i dont want to be paying for something i might not actually find fun
#2936 [19:09] <xorcon> classic is gay
#2937 [19:09] <xorcon> D:
#2938 [19:09] <VoxelHead> Where'd my moose go?
#2939 [19:10] <hmw> wtf... there is a whole website dedicated to cracked mc? lol... have fun with your new trojan
#2940 [19:10] <bread> pirating indie games is just wrong >:|
#2941 [19:10] <hmw> "hacker safe, checked daily" ROFL
#2942 [19:11] <hmw> i have to admit, i played a cracked version for 4 da
#2943 [19:11] <hmw> ys before buying
#2944 [19:11] <hmw> and i totally agree, bread
#2945 [19:12] <xorcon> 14 dollars for indie game is just wrong >:|
#2946 [19:12] <hmw> i thought, it'd be worth up to 35euro
#2947 [19:12] <bread> xorcon: $14 is nothing bro
#2948 [19:12] <hmw> the game is ingenious. new concept (not another stupid shooter) and so much enabling creativity
#2949 [19:12] <bread> unless you're 12.
#2950 [19:13] <hmw> lol bread
#2951 [19:13] <hmw> i usually don't play video games besides c, asm and php. But minecraft got me. The last game I played was Master of Orion II
#2952 [19:14] <bread> Assembly is scary.
#2953 [19:14] <hmw> aaw
#2954 [19:14] <bread> I just do bash :>
#2955 [19:14] <hmw> it just looks scary, but it is quite friendly, after a while at least
#2956 [19:14] <hmw> look into core war perhaps
#2957 [19:14] <bread> heh
#2958 [19:14] <VoxelHead> ;)
#2959 [19:15] * hmw is the author of ARES
#2959 [19:15] <bread> how about NES Assembly :P
#2960 [19:15] <hmw> heheh
#2961 [19:15] <hmw> could be interesting
#2962 [19:15] <hmw> but does one get the info under $1,000,000?
#2963 [19:16] <bread> the info? :o
#2964 [19:16] <hmw> manuals
#2965 [19:16] <bread> ah
#2966 [19:16] <hmw> uhm... all the apis and stuff
#2967 [19:16] <bread> well, I have no idea lol
#2968 [19:17] <hmw> i bet is is expensive
#2969 [19:17] <bread> the one guy I know who programs for the NES now actually programmed for the NES back in the 80s :P
#2970 [19:17] <hmw> this sentence is somewhat curved, like spacetime... wut??
#2971 [19:18] <hmw> is he still programming for the nes?
#2972 [19:18] <bread> yeah
#2973 [19:18] <bread> he's written two trackers, and a drum machine for the NES in the past year
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#2975 [19:18] <hmw> nice
#2976 [19:19] <bread> oh actually, I do know one other guy
#2977 [19:19] <bread> http://no-carrier.com/
#2978 [19:19] <hmw> :)
#2979 [19:19] <VoxelHead> -_-
#2980 [19:19] <bread> and he includes the source for most of his stuff too :D
#2981 [19:19] <hmw> real programmer
#2982 [19:20] <bread> and afaik, you don't have to pay anything to do this stuff at all :o
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#2984 [19:20] <hmw> i have only one game, which is shareware for $10, all the rest is free and oss
#2985 [19:20] <hmw> but in 5 years, not a single one payed lol
#2986 [19:20] <bread> yay foss :D
#2987 [19:21] <bread> ha
#2988 [19:21] <hmw> hah, "dbris" is #1 on google.
#2989 [19:22] <Kealper> bah
#2990 [19:22] <Kealper> stupid bot
#2991 [19:22] <Kealper> !server
#2992 [19:22] <Kealper> i'll rename it later
#2993 [19:22] <hmw> what for is there a .exe? does it contain a JRE??
#2994 [19:23] <DopeGhoti> The NES uses the same CPU as the Apple //c
#2995 [19:23] <DopeGhoti> (:
#2996 [19:23] <DopeGhoti> hmw: the .exe is just a wrapper for the .jre with a header that says "Oi! Java! Run this .jar!"
#2997 [19:23] <DopeGhoti> s/jre/jar/
#2998 [19:24] <hmw> i assumed so. but why? one can simply doublecklick the jar in win, or am i mistaken?
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#3001 [19:24] <DopeGhoti> hmw: one can, but some people assume "It has to be an .EXE"
#3002 [19:24] <bread> ^
#3003 [19:24] <hmw> omg
#3004 [19:24] <DopeGhoti> also, I think you need the JDK to just double-click a .jar and run it
#3005 [19:24] <hmw> humans lol
#3006 [19:24] <DopeGhoti> in short, PEBCAK errors
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#3008 [19:24] <hmw> indeed
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#3010 [19:25] * DopeGhoti watches InternalDemon play with the revolving door
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#3011 [19:25] * hmw smirks
#3011 [19:25] <bread> computer illeterates run rampant on IRC now, thanks to Mibbit. >:|
#3012 [19:27] <bread> also, spelling is hard. :<
#3013 [19:27] <DopeGhoti> spelling is easy; typing is hard. (:
#3014 [19:27] <DopeGhoti> (for some more so than others)
#3015 [19:28] <bread> Spell check has destroyed my ability to spell. :<
#3016 [19:28] <hmw> you should disable it for the same reason as for not using calculators
#3017 [19:29] <hmw> and storing phone numbers in your cell
#3018 [19:29] <bread> well, I'm using irssi, so no spell check here :p
#3019 [19:30] <Thoatt> irssi feinds!
#3020 [19:30] <bread> :D
#3021 [19:30] <hmw> irssi yeah
#3022 [19:30] <VoxelHead> =]
#3023 [19:30] <bread> even vox agrees!
#3024 [19:30] <hmw> but you cant play mc in lynx
#3025 [19:30] <Thoatt> But you wouldn't download a car!
#3026 [19:30] <bread> I would too!
#3027 [19:30] <hmw> :/ i always wanted to compile firefox for frame buffer on my LFS box
#3028 [19:31] <Thoatt> loool
#3029 [19:31] <bread> that would be awesome lol
#3030 [19:32] <hmw> it is actally doable
#3031 [19:32] <Thoatt> so do it?
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#3033 [19:33] <hmw> i will one day... its too cool for not doing it
#3034 [19:33] <hmw> damn mc is killing my hacking spirit lol
#3035 [19:34] <hmw> hmm... there is no uranium ore in mc
#3036 [19:38] <bread> hmm. >:|
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#3039 [19:41] <xorcon> is there any setting that can reduce my lag in minecraft?
#3040 [19:42] <hmw> xorcon: you can reduce video settings, that's all
#3041 [19:42] <hmw> first, enable limiting of FPS
#3042 [19:42] <codyholla120> please give me a download link for a mac bin folder
#3043 [19:42] <hmw> (might even cook your gpu, silly program lol)
#3044 [19:42] <codyholla120> cuz i can play now
#3045 [19:42] <codyholla120> *cant
#3046 [19:43] <hmw> codyholla120: there is no different version for mac. it is JAVA, which requires a Runtime Environment
#3047 [19:43] <codyholla120> yeh yeh i know
#3048 [19:43] <codyholla120> just plz
#3049 [19:43] <aetherian> ow my eyes
#3050 [19:43] <hmw> http://www.minecraft.net/download.jsp
#3051 [19:43] <hmw> triple facepalm, aetherian?
#3052 [19:43] <codyholla120> thats a friggin FULL mnecraft download
#3053 [19:44] <hmw> lol what do you want??
#3054 [19:44] <hmw> half a download?
#3055 [19:44] <codyholla120> a bin folder
#3056 [19:44] <aetherian> hmw: QUADRUPLE FREAKING FACEPALM
#3057 [19:44] <bread> just delete your current bin folder
#3058 [19:44] <codyholla120> (friggin pokeball mod)
#3059 [19:44] <bread> and minecraft.jar will redownload it
#3060 [19:44] <codyholla120> i did
#3061 [19:44] <hmw> well... just download the game... there is certainly no bin download. the game will update itself, if you delete your bin folder, btw
#3062 [19:44] <codyholla120> tried that didnt work
#3063 [19:44] <Thoatt> It's facepalms all the way down
#3064 [19:44] <AG_Scott> he gets a black screen
#3065 [19:44] <hmw> codyholla120: upating java perhaps
#3066 [19:44] <AG_Scott> i told him to delete the bin folder and now it just shows a black screen lol
#3067 [19:45] <codyholla120> hmm i have the latest version
#3068 [19:45] <hmw> i downloaded java and the game some time later stopped working (huge lag, 1 fps). i just reinstalled java, which fixed it. The game is quite buggy.
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#3072 [19:45] <codyholla120> noooo dood its not that type of problem.... AG will you explain plz?
#3073 [19:46] <hmw> as perhaps java is, too
#3074 [19:46] <aetherian> nonuple facepalm
#3075 [19:46] <codyholla120> hmm its quiet at the moment isnt it?
#3076 [19:47] <hmw> codyholla120: start menu, run, type %appdata% and delete .minecraft/bin ... there is not much more you can do besides reinstalling java. black screen? sounds like broken jre or so
#3077 [19:47] <codyholla120> you mean finder?
#3078 [19:47] <bread> lol
#3079 [19:47] <codyholla120> like menu is finder?
#3080 [19:48] <bread> ??> codyholla120 reinst/mac
#3081 [19:48] <bread> damn
#3082 [19:48] <bread> lol
#3083 [19:48] <hmw> uh, alright. apple has this stuff somewhere else... let me google some
#3084 [19:48] <aetherian> ??> codyholla120 mac/reinst
#3085 [19:48] <VoxelHead> codyholla120: (mac/reinst) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#3086 [19:48] <bread> there we go
#3087 [19:48] <VoxelHead> codyholla120: (mac/reinst) To do so, in the Finder, from the Go menu, select Home. Then open Library, Application Support, and then minecraft. Drag the bin folder to the trash, then try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
#3088 [19:48] <bread> aetherian's got your back cody
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#3090 [19:48] <aetherian> I got it right here
#3091 [19:48] <xorcon> why doesnt it let me break things down
#3092 [19:48] <aetherian> *rip*
#3093 [19:48] <bread> :D
#3094 [19:48] * Thoatt hides from Wug.
#3094 [19:48] <hmw> sounds like the info
#3095 [19:48] <aetherian> >:D
#3096 [19:48] <VoxelHead> :o)
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#3098 [19:49] <aetherian> xorcon: because you're doing it wrong?
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#3100 [19:49] <codyholla120_> AHHH guys plz say watever you just said
#3101 [19:49] <hmw> xorcon: is it single player or your server? or is it someone elses server? they could be using some grief protection
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#3103 [19:49] <xorcon> i have the full game
#3104 [19:49] <xorcon> its in a single player game
#3105 [19:49] <codyholla120_> I NEED HELP
#3106 [19:49] <hmw> codyholla120_: (01:48:16) VoxelHead: codyholla120: (mac/reinst) To do so, in the Finder, from the Go menu, select Home. Then open Library, Application Support, and then minecraft. Drag the bin folder to the trash, then try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
#3107 [19:49] <xorcon> itll start to breka down
#3108 [19:49] <xorcon> but doesnt finish
#3109 [19:49] <VoxelHead> and then a horse came
#3110 [19:49] <aetherian> codyholla120_: what help do you even need .-.
#3111 [19:50] <codyholla120_> hmw i did that
#3112 [19:50] <hmw> codyholla120_: did you reinstall java, too?
#3113 [19:50] <codyholla120_> i dont need to friggin reinstall java
#3114 [19:50] <codyholla120_> but fine
#3115 [19:50] <aetherian> hehehe, mac users.
#3116 [19:50] <hmw> codyholla120_: if you are so sure, then we cant help
#3117 [19:50] <codyholla120_> just like delete the java i have?
#3118 [19:50] <hmw> exactly
#3119 [19:50] <codyholla120_> then dwnld?
#3120 [19:50] <hmw> this solved my problem in WinXP
#3121 [19:50] <codyholla120_> kk
#3122 [19:51] <hmw> good luck
#3123 [19:51] <aetherian> you don't have problems /in/ windows.
#3124 [19:51] <hmw> on ?
#3125 [19:51] <hmw> under?
#3126 [19:51] <aetherian> windows /is/ the problem
#3127 [19:51] <aetherian> :D
#3128 [19:51] <codyholla120_> just java pref?
#3129 [19:51] <hmw> oh sere
#3130 [19:51] <VoxelHead> :-)
#3131 [19:51] <hmw> codyholla120_: i recommend completly removing java, then installing a freshly downloaded versino
#3132 [19:52] <codyholla120_> yeh the only java thing i can find is jp
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#3134 [19:52] <hmw> codyholla120_: are you using the vanilla version of MC?
#3135 [19:52] <codyholla120_> wtf is that?
#3136 [19:52] <hmw> no mods
#3137 [19:52] <hmw> pure
#3138 [19:52] <bread> :D
#3139 [19:52] <codyholla120_> cuz i like vanilla better than choocolate and no
#3140 [19:52] <aetherian> trolololol
#3141 [19:53] <codyholla120_> looks like im rollin, with chocolate this time
#3142 [19:53] <hmw> ><> ?
#3143 [19:53] <bread> FISH
#3144 [19:53] <aetherian> :D
#3145 [19:53] <codyholla120_> CHOCOLATE = OPPOSITE OF VANILLA
#3146 [19:53] <VoxelHead> lordy
#3147 [19:53] <hmw> i am having a hard time understanding trolls, really.
#3148 [19:53] <xorcon> D: does anyone know why this shit wouldnt be breaking down?
#3149 [19:53] <Thoatt> CHOCOLATE RAIN!
#3150 [19:54] <hmw> xorcon: lag or grief protection
#3151 [19:54] <codyholla120_> SOME STAY DRY AND OTHERS FEEL THE PAIN!
#3152 [19:54] <Thoatt> CHOCOLATE RAIN!
#3153 [19:54] <codyholla120_> I DONT KNOW WHAT THE NEXT LINE IS
#3154 [19:54] <Thoatt> lol
#3155 [19:54] <codyholla120_> XD
#3156 [19:54] <hmw> mv * /dev/null perhaps?
#3157 [19:54] <VoxelHead> You should ask Domilijn :)
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#3159 [19:55] <xorcon> do i need soemthing special to kill a tree?
#3160 [19:55] <aetherian> yes
#3161 [19:55] <bread> dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda
#3162 [19:55] <hmw> kill lol
#3163 [19:55] <bread> :>
#3164 [19:55] <hmw> kill it with fire
#3165 [19:55] <aetherian> 6
#3166 [19:55] <Thoatt> Nuke it from orbit.
#3167 [19:55] <aetherian> ^
#3168 [19:55] <aetherian> airstrike!
#3169 [19:55] <Thoatt> only way to make sure..
#3170 [19:55] <hmw> i think moving stuff to the null device is more fun
#3171 [19:55] <bread> is it weird that I didn't see that as a six, but an upside down 9
#3172 [19:55] <bread> .__.
#3173 [19:56] <aetherian> .__________________.
#3174 [19:56] <hmw> bread: go to bed lol
#3175 [19:56] <aetherian> bread go bed?
#3176 [19:56] <bread> it's only 8PM!
#3177 [19:56] <Thoatt> only? lol
#3178 [19:56] <hmw> doesnt matter, if you have been playing mc for 120 hrs already
#3179 [19:56] <DopeGhoti> for the record
#3180 [19:56] <bread> my computer won't even run minecraft!
#3181 [19:56] <DopeGhoti> ?? vanilla
#3182 [19:56] <VoxelHead> vanilla: vanilla (adj.): Bland; original; with no garnish. In the context of Minecraft, a server or client with no mods, skins, texture packs, or other customizations.
#3183 [19:56] <aetherian> bread: lies
#3184 [19:56] <bread> I've been IRC'ing and writing bash scripts all day
#3185 [19:56] <aetherian> ooh, what do they do
#3186 [19:57] <bread> well, script
#3187 [19:57] <hmw> heheh
#3188 [19:57] <bread> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/21802312/scrotter.sh :>
#3189 [19:57] <hmw> what does it do?
#3190 [19:57] <aetherian> it's only one line.
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#3192 [19:57] <bread> takes a screenshot, renames it, moves, dropboxes it, and creates a thumbnail :>
#3193 [19:57] <aetherian> rm -r --
#3194 [19:57] <bread> lol
#3195 [19:57] <aetherian> :p
#3196 [19:57] <VoxelHead> rm -r = spank-flute
#3197 [19:57] <bread> spank-flute
#3198 [19:57] <hmw> ah nice... like the old pastebinit program
#3199 [19:57] <bread> really now
#3200 [19:58] <aetherian> pastebinit = win
#3201 [19:58] <hmw> but it was broken last year, when the web site was changed :(
#3202 [19:58] <codyholla120_> HEY HMW DOOD ALL IT SAYS I CAN DO IS SOFTWARE UPDATE EVEN THOUGH I DELETED EVERYTHING :3
#3203 [19:59] <hmw> hmm
#3204 [19:59] <aetherian> codyholla120_: CAPS D:
#3205 [19:59] <bread> D:
#3206 [19:59] <codyholla120_> YAY I LIKE CAPS (I LICK EM TOO)
#3207 [19:59] <hmw> X-|
#3208 [20:00] <codyholla120_> im going to cry
#3209 [20:00] <bread> :D
#3210 [20:00] <hmw> perhaps you can find help in a mac channel
#3211 [20:00] <VoxelHead> -_-
#3212 [20:01] <hmw> also search the forum
#3213 [20:01] <aetherian> hmw: #fail perhaps?
#3214 [20:01] <aetherian> ;)
#3215 [20:01] <hmw> sounds good
#3216 [20:01] <DopeGhoti> wait, what is the problem now?
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#3218 [20:01] <hmw> but ut is #FAIL of course
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#3220 [20:01] <DopeGhoti> ?? mac/permissions
#3221 [20:01] <VoxelHead> mac/permissions: You need to open Applications, go to Utilities, open Terminal, and run the following command (assuming you put Minecraft into Applications):
#3222 [20:01] <VoxelHead> mac/permissions: chmod +x /Applications/Minecraft.app/Contents/MacOS/JavaApplicationStub
#3223 [20:02] <DopeGhoti> ^ this, if the program self-closes instantly
#3224 [20:02] <bread> brb rebooting :o
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#3226 [20:02] <codyholla120_> I DWNLDED JAVA
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#3228 [20:03] <VoxelHead> Master?
#3229 [20:03] <aetherian> yes?
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#3231 [20:03] <Kealper> codyholla120_: stop talking in caps
#3232 [20:04] <hmw> only Death talks in caps, right?
#3233 [20:04] <codyholla120_> NO YOU AINT MA MASTER
#3234 [20:04] <Kealper> codyholla120_: when you're in this channel, i am
#3235 [20:04] <AG_Scott> Kealper, just ban him.
#3236 [20:04] <codyholla120_> NEVA YOUR NOT A OP
#3237 [20:04] <AG_Scott> I already warned him in #mcmods
#3238 [20:04] <DopeGhoti> codyholla120_: please stop shouting.
#3239 [20:04] <hmw> codyholla120_: you are near of being put to a lot of ignore lists
#3240 [20:04] <codyholla120_> kk fine
#3241 [20:04] <DopeGhoti> thank you.
#3242 [20:04] * Kealper kicked codyholla120_ from #minecrafthelp (Reason: no, i'm not an op)
#3243 [20:05] <bread> I have returned :>
#3244 [20:05] <aetherian> xD
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#3246 [20:05] <codyholla120_> hey i said ill stop
#3247 [20:05] <DopeGhoti> hmw: not even Death talks in allcaps; Death talks in small caps.
#3248 [20:05] <hmw> really? i was refering to pratchet
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#3250 [20:05] <DopeGhoti> So was I.
#3251 [20:05] <Kealper> codyholla120_: anyone with a gold star in the userlist is a channel operator
#3252 [20:05] <bread> I love small caps
#3253 [20:05] <hmw> ok... i obviously didnt get it then
#3254 [20:06] <DopeGhoti> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_caps
#3255 [20:06] <mib_26w73y> Is anyone else having problems joining servers?
#3256 [20:06] <hmw> small caps? lol wut?
#3257 [20:06] <bread> I thought the british police helmet was op in mibbit
#3258 [20:06] <codyholla120_> kealper i know (i didnt see you)
#3259 [20:06] * Kealper goes back to a screen of code
#3259 [20:06] <DopeGhoti> codyholla120_: did you actually have a question?
#3260 [20:06] <hmw> ah right
#3261 [20:06] <codyholla120_> yes
#3262 [20:07] <codyholla120_> ope dood i will call you dope not dopey
#3263 [20:07] <codyholla120_> *dope
#3264 [20:07] <aetherian> I dunno
#3265 [20:07] <aetherian> the other way may be better
#3266 [20:07] <hmw> but all caps is part of small caps
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#3268 [20:08] <hmw> perhaps cody should use a vm with windows lol
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#3270 [20:08] <zelda> CAn somone help me?
#3271 [20:08] <nEUROSIS> can minecarts go up and down slopes?
#3272 [20:08] <nEUROSIS> or just on flat land?
#3273 [20:08] <hmw> zelda: we cant tell unless you tell us the problem
#3274 [20:09] <zelda> After about 10 minutes, while play I get a black screen.
#3275 [20:09] <zelda> How can I fix this?
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#3277 [20:09] <Kealper> zelda: turn down the game graphics
#3278 [20:09] <bread> hmm that is a plethora of information you've given us.
#3279 [20:09] <hmw> zelda: perhaps your GPU is overheating. check temp and/or enable limit FPS
#3280 [20:09] <codyholla120_> SOMENE gve me a link for a mac java dwnld
#3281 [20:09] <nEUROSIS> irc doesnt have gold stars ;)
#3282 [20:09] * AG_Scott goes back to reading.
#3282 [20:09] <zelda> Alright, I'll see.
#3283 [20:10] <Kealper> nEUROSIS: it does when you're in mibbit ._.
#3284 [20:10] <hmw> codyholla120_: that was probably a cracked version. there is only one download site.
#3285 [20:10] <codyholla120_> wich one?
#3286 [20:10] <aetherian> the MMO "IRL" failed
#3287 [20:10] <hmw> any besides minecraft.net
#3288 [20:10] <nEUROSIS> ik :) just messin.. mibbit is cool :)
#3289 [20:10] <hmw> ...is not the real one.
#3290 [20:11] <codyholla120_> what is then?
#3291 [20:11] <Kealper> nEUROSIS: no it's not lol....it is good in a pinch though :P
#3292 [20:11] <DopeGhoti> zelda: blink more often.
#3293 [20:11] <hmw> it is the link i gave you earlier, but you didnt like it.
#3294 [20:11] <mib_26w73y> Everytime I try to join my friends server, before i can join it says "Connection timed out: Connect" Is there a way to fix this?
#3295 [20:11] <nEUROSIS> beats trying to explain first time mirc use to a enduser lol
#3296 [20:11] <VoxelHead> You can lead a horse to water, but you are the one asking all the stupid questions!
#3297 [20:11] <aetherian> DopeGhoti: that's what I told my black mage in ff1. but he didn't. and I couldn't see his eyes.
#3298 [20:11] <codyholla120_> DUDE that was minecraft.net
#3299 [20:11] <hmw> exactly
#3300 [20:12] <hmw> there is no other download site
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#3303 [20:12] <hmw> except pirating ones perhaps
#3304 [20:12] <codyholla120_> then why did yousay it wasnt?
#3305 [20:12] <hmw> not a native and tired speaker, sry
#3306 [20:12] <hmw> *native english speaker
#3307 [20:12] <nEUROSIS> hmw: it looked like u said 'besides minecraft.net ...is not the real one.'
#3308 [20:12] <bread> was ist denn los
#3309 [20:12] <codyholla120_> yeh totally
#3310 [20:13] <nEUROSIS> i can see what u meant tho gave me a shock at first too
#3311 [20:13] <hmw> any download site besides minecraft.net is not the real one
#3312 [20:13] <codyholla120_> yes we know
#3313 [20:13] <DopeGhoti> ^this.
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#3315 [20:13] <hmw> i think this is correct??
#3316 [20:13] <mib_26w73y> Everytime I try to join my friends server, before i can join it says "Connection timed out: Connect" Is there a way to fix this?
#3317 [20:13] <VoxelHead> can i check?
#3318 [20:13] <codyholla120_> mib everyone gets that
#3319 [20:13] <nEUROSIS> yea as far as i know minecraft.net is the real site
#3320 [20:13] <DopeGhoti> mib_26w73y: do you have the same problem on other servers?
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#3322 [20:13] <thedude> mib_26... check port foward numbers
#3323 [20:13] <nEUROSIS> it was just confusing how u said it
#3324 [20:13] <DopeGhoti> (yes, www.minecraft.net is the actual site)
#3325 [20:13] <hmw> mib_26w73y: what is the latency? ping that server and check, if the connection is good
#3326 [20:14] <mib_26w73y> I've already port forwarded all the ports.
#3327 [20:14] <hmw> nEUROSIS: well... i would like to apologize for increasing entropy
#3328 [20:14] <VoxelHead> Where'd my moose go?
#3329 [20:14] <Kealper> hmw: most home routers block ICMP pings
#3330 [20:14] <mib_26w73y> Hold on let me check the ping.
#3331 [20:14] <Neurosys> lol u almost got eaten by a angry noob too lol
#3332 [20:14] * DopeGhoti finds it amusing how many peopl start with "solve the problem" rather than "verify that a problem in fact exists to solve"
#3332 [20:14] <hmw> Kealper: argh. well... stupid paranoid admins
#3333 [20:14] <codyholla120_> SOMEBODY GIVE EM A DOWNLOAD SITE FOR JAVA ON MAC
#3334 [20:14] * Neurosys swings wooden sword wildly
#3334 [20:14] <hmw> as if a home computer would be ddosed
#3335 [20:15] <Kealper> codyholla120_: you don't download java on mac
#3336 [20:15] <codyholla120_> you dont?
#3337 [20:15] <DopeGhoti> VoxelHead: give codyholla120_ a treatise on how not to constantly shout.
#3338 [20:15] <codyholla120_> o rlly
#3339 [20:15] * VoxelHead gives codyholla120_ a treatise on how not to constantly shout.
#3339 [20:15] <mib_26w73y> It wont give me the ping.
#3340 [20:15] <hmw> Kealper: i was suggesting to download java... i have no mac... argh.
#3341 [20:15] <DopeGhoti> hmw: one does so via Software Update.
#3342 [20:15] * Neurosys googles treatise
#3342 [20:15] <hmw> mib_26w73y: too bad. what uplink do you have? (speed)
#3343 [20:15] <DopeGhoti> mib_26w73y: do you have the same problem on other servers?
#3344 [20:15] <thedude> any know how to change the spawn of new people on sever like the spot they spawn in i want them to spawn closer to my house
#3345 [20:15] <codyholla120_> i said it a bunch of times in regulr but noone answered
#3346 [20:16] <mib_26w73y> I've never tried to join other servers.
#3347 [20:16] <hmw> DopeGhoti: i was suggesting to reinstall the jre, because it fixed a problem on my pc
#3348 [20:16] <DopeGhoti> thedude: yes: install the next version that's not yet out and use beds.
#3349 [20:16] <hmw> thedude: MCEdit
#3350 [20:16] <DopeGhoti> hmw: unfortunately, that's much less easy to do on a Mac :p
#3351 [20:16] <thedude> the jar?
#3352 [20:17] <hmw> thedude: its a level editor, which lets you set the spawn point easily
#3353 [20:17] <thedude> you have a link for it ?
#3354 [20:17] <hmw> google has
#3355 [20:17] <DopeGhoti> http:/www.lmgtfy.com?q=mcedit
#3356 [20:17] <hmw> thx DopeGhoti
#3357 [20:17] <DopeGhoti> cheers
#3358 [20:17] <VoxelHead> cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeers
#3359 [20:17] <DopeGhoti> \o/
#3360 [20:17] <DopeGhoti> \o>
#3361 [20:18] <thedude> i might need you help using it so ill get back to you if i do ill use tv
#3362 [20:18] <DopeGhoti> <o/
#3363 [20:18] <DopeGhoti> TV truly is the opiate of the masses.
#3364 [20:18] <codyholla120_> i hate the vioid (it freaks me out whenever i go in it)
#3365 [20:18] <DopeGhoti> codyholla120_: so.. don't.
#3366 [20:18] <hmw> for all who are new to IRC (might be interesting also for the veterans): http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
#3367 [20:19] <DopeGhoti> if that's the link I think it is, I'm putting it in the FAQ database
#3368 [20:19] <codyholla120_> the problem is that i have a undestructo brick in front of ma house and it transports me there
#3369 [20:19] <mib_26w73y> hmw what do you mean by Uplink?
#3370 [20:19] <hmw> what kind and how fast is your inet connection
#3371 [20:19] <Kealper> http://speedtest.net
#3372 [20:20] <DopeGhoti> ??+ howtoask|Please rease http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#beforellYes, it's long. That's because it's packed chock-full of information, explained clearly.
#3373 [20:20] <DopeGhoti> ??+ ask/howto|Please rease http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#beforellYes, it's long. That's because it's packed chock-full of information, explained clearly.
#3374 [20:20] <aetherian> rease?
#3375 [20:20] <hmw> connection timeout might be due to network overload, shitty server with too little RAM, perhaps even a misconfigured firewall.
#3376 [20:20] <hmw> DopeGhoti: you probably also know the hacker howto, i assume?
#3377 [20:20] <DopeGhoti> hmw: that's why I've been asking if the problem exists with other servers :p
#3378 [20:21] <Neurosys> I though religion was the opiate of the masses?
#3379 [20:21] <DopeGhoti> hmw: I haven't read it in ages, but yes
#3380 [20:21] <codyholla120_> hey i have the bin now but geuss what?
#3381 [20:21] <hmw> lovely read
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#3383 [20:21] <DopeGhoti> Neurosys: that was before television
#3384 [20:21] <aetherian> DopeGhoti: what does rease mean?
#3385 [20:21] <Neurosys> ah yes.. the new god ;)
#3386 [20:21] <mib_26w73y> hmw 2mbps. and i'm not sure how to tell what type.
#3387 [20:21] <hmw> rease lol
#3388 [20:21] <hmw> mib_26w73y: cable or via phone modem?
#3389 [20:21] <DopeGhoti> aetherian: it means 'DopeGhoti should double-check things more when hopped up on medication'
#3390 [20:21] <hmw> sounds like DSL
#3391 [20:21] <mib_26w73y> oh, derp. cable.
#3392 [20:22] <hmw> ic
#3393 [20:22] <hmw> well... did you already try to connect to another server?
#3394 [20:22] <aetherian> Oh
#3395 [20:22] <aetherian> what a small word for a big thing.
#3396 [20:22] <mib_26w73y> i don't know of any other servers.
#3397 [20:22] <DopeGhoti> aetherian: fixed.
#3398 [20:22] <thedude> hmw do you know how touse it andhave tv?
#3399 [20:22] <VoxelHead> only with you thedude
#3400 [20:23] <aetherian> ??< howtoask
#3401 [20:23] <aetherian> uh.
#3402 [20:23] <thedude> voxe what you mean?
#3403 [20:23] <VoxelHead> the Lord of the Rings
#3404 [20:23] <hmw> mib_26w73y: wait a moment, backing up my server
#3405 [20:23] <bread> ^ lol
#3406 [20:23] <mib_26w73y> alright.
#3407 [20:23] <aetherian> there should be a space between the #beforell and the Yes?
#3408 [20:23] <bread> vox is the best
#3409 [20:23] <aetherian> DopeGhoti: lern2proofread
#3410 [20:23] <aetherian> :D
#3411 [20:23] <VoxelHead> :)
#3412 [20:24] <jtdavis> Hello
#3413 [20:24] <mib_26w73y> i'm on a cracked version. But that hasn't stopped me from joining his server before.
#3414 [20:24] <jtdavis> So ... if I want to make obsidian, I have to run water over *still lava*, right?
#3415 [20:24] * GreyVulpine kicked mib_26w73y from #minecrafthelp (Reason: Pirated version)
#3416 [20:24] <DopeGhoti> refixed, aetherian :p
#3417 [20:24] <hmw> mib_26w73y: that will be the problem. you probably have an outdated version, which cant connect to the current server. buy the game, dammit
#3418 [20:24] <aetherian> ??< howtoask
#3419 [20:25] <aetherian> I think the last sentence could be better, but meh.
#3420 [20:25] <hmw> jtdavis: it's a lava source
#3421 [20:25] <codyholla120_> guyz everything is fixed but onow geuss what????? i still have a black screen
#3422 [20:25] <hmw> jtdavis: its called a lava source
#3423 [20:25] <DopeGhoti> aetherian: if it wasn't there, it'd just be answered with "tl;dr"
#3424 [20:25] <hmw> and yes
#3425 [20:25] <DopeGhoti> it probably will anyhow
#3426 [20:25] <aetherian> "chock-full of information, explained clearly" < "chock-full of clearly explained information" :D
#3427 [20:26] <jtdavis> hmw: so I can't, say, run water over the bottom of a lava waterfall if I block the waterfall off so there's no runoff?
#3428 [20:26] <hmw> that wouldnt be a source
#3429 [20:26] <DopeGhoti> jtdavis: if you do, that'd make Coblestone
#3430 [20:26] <jtdavis> aww. Then I built this epic lava waterfall for nothing.
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#3432 [20:26] <hmw> you must use the lava block, that could be taken with a ... darn...
#3433 [20:26] <DopeGhoti> not for nothing; I"m sure it has a great aesthetic.
#3434 [20:26] <hmw> ...bucket
#3435 [20:27] <jtdavis> DopeGhoti: yeah, it's cool looking.
#3436 [20:27] <DopeGhoti> jtdavis: there you go then
#3437 [20:27] <jtdavis> So, when I DO make obsidian, once I mine it will the lava source blocks come back?
#3438 [20:27] <hmw> i think not
#3439 [20:27] <jtdavis> I made the waterfall because I didn't want to lose the lava source permeanntly
#3440 [20:28] <DopeGhoti> "jtdavis has been ecstatic lately. He has admired a stunning magmafall lately. He has been sickened by sunlight lately. He needs alcohol to get through the day." </DF>
#3441 [20:28] <hmw> i think this is the price for cheap obsidian
#3442 [20:28] <VoxelHead> r death comes to those who wait.
#3443 [20:28] <jtdavis> I was trying to envision an obsidian farm that would last forever.
#3444 [20:28] <DopeGhoti> No, there are no infinite sources of Obsidian
#3445 [20:28] <hmw> there is no infinite lava source, unfortunately
#3446 [20:28] <jtdavis> I suppose there's no way to get lava blocks to duplicate themselves, either?
#3447 [20:28] <GreyVulpine> Nope
#3448 [20:28] <GreyVulpine> Not like water
#3449 [20:29] <jtdavis> ...Boo.
#3450 [20:29] <hmw> if you are op, you could use the /give command, but that'd be somewhat lame. go dig more! :)
#3451 [20:29] <jtdavis> I'm digging a quarry right now. It is the most boring patch of earth ever.
#3452 [20:29] <codyholla120_> get single player commands = problemo solved
#3453 [20:30] <jtdavis> I'm also assuming lava -> is a 1:1 conversion?
#3454 [20:30] <jtdavis> lava -> obsidian, even
#3455 [20:30] <hmw> jtdavis: then i recommend you create a nice looking real mine. this way mining makes a lot more fun. use minecarts and rails for the ores. put a chest with helmets at the entrance and a warning sign that reminds people, that they must wear helmets. aso. btw. if you dig a side tunnel every 3 meters, you will see every block.
#3456 [20:31] <hmw> jtdavis: yes
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#3458 [20:31] <jtdavis> hmw: No, I'm having fun. It's more that there's not much in the ground. (It's a desert biome.)
#3459 [20:31] <DopeGhoti> jtdavis: you juse need to go down further (:
#3460 [20:31] <DopeGhoti> though digging in the sand does mean you will have more shoring up to do
#3461 [20:31] <hmw> then you need to hire a geolology expert dward for finding a better spot.
#3462 [20:32] <hmw> *dwarf
#3463 [20:32] <aetherian> I like my geodwards
#3464 [20:32] <jtdavis> I'm so glad I cleared up the obsidian/cobblestone thing before I finished the mechanism. I even built a water dispenser. I was just about to put iron doors on it and restone wires to a "control tower" with a switch.
#3465 [20:32] <hmw> aetherian: argh
#3466 [20:32] <jtdavis> *redstone
#3467 [20:33] <hmw> my broken finger is still not fully restored
#3468 [20:33] <aetherian> take it to a medical dward
#3469 [20:33] <aetherian> they can fix you up
#3470 [20:33] <hmw> heheh
#3471 [20:33] <hmw> alright
#3472 [20:33] <VoxelHead> ^_^
#3473 [20:33] <jtdavis> Though, I suppose there IS value in having an infinite supply of cobblestone.
#3474 [20:34] <Keltinray> hmw, I feel yer pain; I broke my elbow about two weeks ag
#3475 [20:34] <Keltinray> *ago
#3476 [20:35] <bread> D:
#3477 [20:35] <aetherian> :D
#3478 [20:35] <hmw> too bad. i had it broken the day i started playing mc...
#3479 [20:35] <hmw> stupid finger
#3480 [20:36] <jtdavis> of course, now I wish I hadn't built the FLOOR out of cobblesetone
#3481 [20:36] <aetherian> Well, at least there're not just dwards, but elvds too.
#3482 [20:36] <hmw> did i just trigger a new meme?
#3483 [20:36] <aetherian> no
#3484 [20:36] <hmw> ah, good
#3485 [20:36] <aetherian> you triggered a new mede
#3486 [20:36] <hmw> argh
#3487 [20:36] <aetherian> :O
#3488 [20:37] <VoxelHead> Cor.
#3489 [20:37] <jtdavis> <g>
#3490 [20:37] <DopeGhoti> more like Dwarf Frotress triggered the creating of Minecraft (in part)
#3491 [20:37] <aetherian> dward fortress he means
#3492 [20:37] <jtdavis> Okay, one last question.
#3493 [20:37] <DopeGhoti> ..ah
#3494 [20:37] * DopeGhoti moves toward the D.
#3494 [20:37] <jtdavis> So, I've got a two floor house thing.
#3495 [20:37] <jtdavis> The lava flows from the second floor onto the first floor. Nice double waterfall.
#3496 [20:38] <jtdavis> IF I run water over the lava when it hits the ground, I get ... cobblestone, right? But the actual lava flow remains?
#3497 [20:38] <aetherian> double waterfall all the way across the sky...
#3498 [20:38] <jtdavis> So its an infinite cobblestone supply?
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#3500 [20:39] <hmw> jtdavis: why dont you try it out?
#3501 [20:39] <VoxelHead> I'll tell ya later.
#3502 [20:39] <jtdavis> hmw: I wanted to wait until I had iron doors to flip the switch. :P
#3503 [20:39] <aetherian> yeah, why don'd you try it oud
#3504 [20:39] <DopeGhoti> jtdavis: waterflow + magmaflow -> cobble, yes.
#3505 [20:40] <jtdavis> Hmm.
#3506 [20:40] <hmw> i have had enoud. you sud. this sdupid way of sdelling suds. ardh.
#3507 [20:40] <jtdavis> Mining it would be a problem.
#3508 [20:40] <lemon-rev> dopeghoti you seen the vid for rain in mc yet ?
#3509 [20:40] <DopeGhoti> the one showing snow and cheevcheevs?
#3510 [20:40] <aetherian> sdelling >______<
#3511 [20:40] <jtdavis> if the lava pours directly down into the water it'll just build straight up...and hmm.
#3512 [20:40] <lemon-rev> ?
#3513 [20:41] <lemon-rev> whats this cheevcheevs no just snow rain, and things like ice growing back
#3514 [20:41] <jtdavis> Do you think infinite obsidian will ever be generated?
#3515 [20:41] <jtdavis> *err.. added
#3516 [20:41] <jtdavis> I can see where it wouldn't be.
#3517 [20:41] <jtdavis> It'd be game breaking.
#3518 [20:41] <hmw> hopefully not
#3519 [20:41] <DopeGhoti> lemon-rev: as in "acheivements"
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#3521 [20:42] <lemon-rev> well the acheivements screen as well as in game things like lightning bolt
#3522 [20:42] <jtdavis> bye, everybody. :D
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#3525 [20:42] <Jackson413> hey what is anyone's opinion of brohost?
#3526 [20:43] <Jackson413> we treat you like a bro, not screw you like a ho lmao
#3527 [20:43] <DopeGhoti> They seem unprofessional
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#3529 [20:43] <DopeGhoti> I would not recommend them.
#3530 [20:43] <Jackson413> im using them
#3531 [20:43] <Jackson413> and am previewing shit from them
#3532 [20:43] <Jackson413> ive been through like 3 today
#3533 [20:44] <Jackson413> cancel, get refund , repeaat
#3534 [20:44] <DopeGhoti> why you want to inspect feculence is your own concern
#3535 [20:44] <GreyVulpine> I agree with DopeGhoti.
#3536 [20:44] <Jackson413> well i am seeing if i should keep them
#3537 [20:45] <Jackson413> i have an ip with a port number
#3538 [20:45] <DopeGhoti> Vox, should Jackson413 stay with that host?
#3539 [20:45] <VoxelHead> No.
#3540 [20:45] <Jackson413> how can i simplify
#3541 [20:45] <DopeGhoti> there you go then.
#3542 [20:45] <Jackson413> well ill fill it
#3543 [20:45] <Jackson413> and see how well it treats me
#3544 [20:46] <Jackson413> however one thing worries me, they rate a server with 1 gb ram able to use 32 players
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#3546 [20:46] <Jackson413> is that being overrated
#3547 [20:46] <Jackson413> or is there something special happening here?
#3548 [20:46] <snips> I have a rather dumb question.
#3549 [20:47] <Jackson413> non native (to earth) hardware being used?
#3550 [20:47] <Jackson413> snips: hit me
#3551 [20:47] <Jackson413> ive asked all the dumb questions in this channel
#3552 [20:47] <snips> Haven't played minecraft in a while, so my server is at version Beta 1.0
#3553 [20:47] <snips> How do I update the server?
#3554 [20:48] <Jackson413> download it from minecraft.net
#3555 [20:48] <Jackson413> im assuming you are running it vanilla
#3556 [20:48] <Jackson413> http:/minecraft.net/download.jsp
#3557 [20:48] <snips> I figured it was something simple like that. The auto-updater on the client made me wonder
#3558 [20:49] <snips> Yeah, it's vanilla
#3559 [20:49] <snips> Thanks
#3560 [20:49] <Jackson413> ./\
#3561 [20:49] <Jackson413> sure
#3562 [20:49] <Jackson413> hey anyone
#3563 [20:49] <Jackson413> anyone know how to make a domain point to a minecraft ip with a non default port at the end?
#3564 [20:49] <aetherian> bye
#3565 [20:50] <Jackson413> cya?
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#3567 [20:50] <Keltinray> Jackson413, I've been looking around for the same thing, and from what I can tell, the short version is that it's not possible
#3568 [20:51] <Keltinray> The longer version is that the Minecraft client needs added support for SVR DNS-records
#3569 [20:51] <Keltinray> so it's really up to Notch to give us that feature - or not :p
#3570 [20:51] <Jackson413> shit
#3571 [20:52] <Jackson413> any ghetto ideas?
#3572 [20:52] <Jackson413> like an ip redirect service
#3573 [20:52] <GreyVulpine> dyndns
#3574 [20:52] <hmw> port forward perhaps
#3575 [20:52] <hmw> but the clients wont connect though, i assume
#3576 [20:53] <Keltinray> http://getsatisfaction.com/mojang/topics/srv_dns_records
#3577 [20:53] <Keltinray> This is what we want
#3578 [20:53] <hmw> weird... my MC client doesnt use 100% cpu anymore all the sudden
#3579 [20:54] <Keltinray> Personally, I already have the extra DNs-records set, so I'm hoping that this thing gets a bit more attention. It'd be awesome, and as you can tell from the post there, it would take Notch about 10 minutes to implement.
#3580 [20:54] <hmw> i think its a security issue, if you are forced to a certain port...
#3581 [20:55] <Keltinray> How is it a security issue? :p
#3582 [20:55] <hmw> people could try to exploit the server perhaps
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#3584 [20:55] <hmw> i'd like to hide my services or use non-default ports. otoh, what, if the port is already in use?
#3585 [20:55] <Keltinray> I don't think you understand how SRV-records work :p
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#3587 [20:55] <hmw> thats correct... let me google it
#3588 [20:56] <Keltinray> Basically, you perform a service lookup for say, mc.example.com
#3589 [20:56] <Ronan|Uni> Any plans on making a C++ server for minecraft
#3590 [20:56] <Ronan|Uni> ?
#3591 [20:56] <GreyVulpine> Ronan|Uni - No, not officially.
#3592 [20:56] <hmw> unlikely
#3593 [20:56] <Keltinray> and then Minecraft would get the information that "oh, I should connect to "minecraft.example.com on port 2345"
#3594 [20:56] <Ronan|Uni> :(
#3595 [20:56] <hmw> they are happy, if they manage to fix all the bugs in the current versino
#3596 [20:57] <Keltinray> It doesn't force Minecraft to do anything, it just encodes a port-number and a secondary domain inside a domain-entry
#3597 [20:57] <hmw> so its about the server using another port
#3598 [20:57] <Keltinray> Pretty much
#3599 [20:57] <hmw> ic
#3600 [20:58] <Keltinray> Let's say a relatively big machine hosts 10 minecraft servers, with port-ranges 10000 to 10009
#3601 [20:59] <Keltinray> instead of having to type in bigmachine.com:10005 to get to your server
#3602 [20:59] <Keltinray> You could have the address hmw.bigmachine.com
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#3604 [20:59] <Keltinray> and the port-number would be encoded inside the address itself
#3605 [20:59] <VoxelHead> i like them -_-
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#3608 [21:05] <Jackson413> can ops make voxelhead speak?
#3609 [21:06] <Jackson413> and has anyone heard of hydrairc
#3610 [21:06] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#3611 [21:06] <Jackson413> it is sweet
#3612 [21:06] <Jackson413> everytime i open it, it connects to esper, identifies my nick, and joins my specified channels
#3613 [21:07] <bread> my client does that too...
#3614 [21:07] <Jackson413> what is it?
#3615 [21:07] <Jackson413> mIRC?
#3616 [21:07] <bread> irssi
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#3618 [21:07] <Jackson413> this is open source
#3619 [21:07] <bread> so is irssi
#3620 [21:07] <Jackson413> dammit :P
#3621 [21:07] <Jackson413> imma go look at it
#3622 [21:07] <Essentials2414> hello can anyoen assist me on my problem with adding essentials permisons to permissions.yml
#3623 [21:07] <bread> and I'm pretty sure _any_ client will do that :P
#3624 [21:08] <GreyVulpine> Try #essentials
#3625 [21:08] <Jackson413> lol
#3626 [21:08] <Essentials2414> no one is active in there atm
#3627 [21:08] <bread> and before you do, I don't think irssi runs on windows :p
#3628 [21:08] <Jackson413> chatzilla didnt
#3629 [21:08] <Jackson413> dammit
#3630 [21:08] <DopeGhoti> bread: does too. Cygwin.
#3631 [21:08] <bread> well
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#3633 [21:08] <bread> cygwin is poopy
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#3635 [21:08] <DopeGhoti> not compared to cmd.exe :p
#3636 [21:08] <bread> and running an IRC client in cygwin is even more poopy
#3637 [21:09] <DopeGhoti> not compared to mIRC
#3638 [21:09] <Razorflame> Wow...
#3639 [21:09] <bread> lol
#3640 [21:09] <bread> true
#3641 [21:09] * GreyVulpine stabs DopeGhoti
#3641 [21:09] <Razorflame> I can't believe this cliff I just found
#3642 [21:09] <bread> mirc is way poopy-er
#3643 [21:09] <Razorflame> Right beside my permanent base
#3644 [21:09] <DopeGhoti> (and when in Windows, I SSH to my screened irssi anywho)
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#3646 [21:09] <Razorflame> Anyone care to see screenies of this awesome cliff I found?
#3647 [21:09] <Essentials2414> so does anyone want to try to help me with my problem?
#3648 [21:09] <bread> I use ZNC, not screen'd irssi :P
#3649 [21:09] <DopeGhoti> ??> Essentials2414 ask
#3650 [21:09] <VoxelHead> Essentials2414: (ask) Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help, and be as specific as possible.
#3651 [21:09] <Razorflame> wanna see anyways?
#3652 [21:09] <VoxelHead> Essentials2414: (ask) If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#3653 [21:10] <Razorflame> I posted it to the official forums
#3654 [21:10] <DopeGhoti> bread: diff znc irssi
#3655 [21:10] <bread> I connected to my ZNC via mibbit
#3656 [21:10] <bread> :P
#3657 [21:10] <bread> just for shits and giggles
#3658 [21:10] <Razorflame> And I solved my laptops' overheating problem
#3659 [21:10] <DopeGhoti> Razorflame: can o'air?
#3660 [21:11] <Razorflame> nope
#3661 [21:11] <Razorflame> turning off smooth lighting
#3662 [21:11] <Razorflame> in game
#3663 [21:11] <Razorflame> XD
#3664 [21:11] <Essentials2414> ok here is my problem i run my bukit server and i get could nto load permision.jar caused by while scannign for token found character that cannot start token line 14 essentials.signs.free
#3665 [21:11] <bread> heh compressed air is what unsolved my laptop's overheating problem
#3666 [21:11] <bread> (only because I'm an idiot though)
#3667 [21:11] <Essentials2414> im not sure if my format in permissions.yml is correct
#3668 [21:11] <DopeGhoti> ??> Essentials2414 mods
#3669 [21:11] <VoxelHead> Essentials2414: (mods) his channel is not a venue for support with third-party mods. For assistance with Bukkit, check #Bukkit
#3670 [21:11] <VoxelHead> Essentials2414: (mods) You will find a lot of information here: http://tiny.cc/modinstall Also, for forther assistance with many other mods, check #mcmods - mod help here is more likely once the official API is revealed.
#3671 [21:11] <Razorflame> The problem with my laptop is that the vents that send air out is on the bottom XD
#3672 [21:12] <Razorflame> VoxelHead: Am I allowed to post links to the official forums on here?
#3673 [21:12] <VoxelHead> I didn't like it before
#3674 [21:12] <DopeGhoti> *snrk*
#3675 [21:12] <DopeGhoti> Razorflame: posting to the fora isn't a problem unless it's a thread about links to pirated clients or other such nonsense
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#3677 [21:13] <Razorflame> ok, cause I wanna show you guys this cliff I found
#3678 [21:13] <Razorflame> http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1041&t=283597
#3679 [21:13] <Razorflame> :o
#3680 [21:13] <VoxelHead> well i'll be a monkey's uncle
#3681 [21:13] <Razorflame> my base is on top of that giant of a cliff
#3682 [21:14] <Razorflame> that has got to be a 100 block cliff, right?
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#3684 [21:16] <Razorflame> A question
#3685 [21:16] <Razorflame> those are natural caves I'm seeing at the bottom,r ight?
#3686 [21:17] <Razorflame> :(
#3687 [21:17] <Razorflame> Nobody answers :(
#3688 [21:18] * VoxelHead is away: town
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#3699 [21:33] <Kealper> the hell?
#3700 [21:34] <Kealper> stupid fail server
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#3707 [21:46] <mib_3s9ux9> ?
#3708 [21:46] <mib_3s9ux9> //////////////////////////////
#3709 [21:46] <mib_3s9ux9> /////////
#3710 [21:46] <bread> >:|
#3711 [21:46] <bread> wat
#3712 [21:50] <oldtopman> XD@Troll
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#3719 [22:13] * Wug pokes thoatt|work (I found you)
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#3721 [22:16] <Gatarizzle> Hey well i keep getting the timeout error when i try to connect to aa server
#3722 [22:17] <Gatarizzle> What should i do
#3723 [22:18] <GreyVulpine> Try a different server?
#3724 [22:19] <Wug> hey, aubot's back
#3725 [22:20] <Wug> it wasnt there for a while
#3726 [22:21] <fizyplankton> hey can someone try http://www.minecraft.net/play.jsp?server=ebc4ca3eb73984dc6cfacda103dcd24d ? i need to know if it works on my new comp
#3727 [22:22] <fizyplankton> and after that, if some one can check SMP 74.166.109.199 (and i already aubot'd it), thatd be great
#3728 [22:25] <Wug> i checked the classic server, and I think the world may be corrupted
#3729 [22:25] <fizyplankton> i can get on it fine from my computer
#3730 [22:25] <Wug> java crashes on my computer when I try to load it
#3731 [22:25] <fizyplankton> i can try changing the home map on it tho
#3732 [22:25] <Wug> I get to the motd, then java dies
#3733 [22:26] <Wug> can you change it to something small?
#3734 [22:26] <Wug> like 128^3
#3735 [22:26] <fizyplankton> yeah. i ill make it an old 16x16x16 maop
#3736 [22:26] <Wug> lol 16^3
#3737 [22:27] <Jackson413> hey when you press F3 ingame
#3738 [22:27] <Jackson413> and it says current ram usage
#3739 [22:27] <Jackson413> is that for the server
#3740 [22:27] <Jackson413> or your client
#3741 [22:28] <Wug> client
#3742 [22:28] <Jackson413> thats what i though
#3743 [22:28] <Wug> server shows ram usage in its own window
#3744 [22:28] <Jackson413> thought
#3745 [22:28] <Wug> no way to access it ingame
#3746 [22:29] <fizyplankton> alright the creative server is back up with a known(ish) good map as the home map
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#3748 [22:30] <morzan> hey guys, any one mind answering a question?
#3749 [22:30] <bread> ?? ask
#3750 [22:30] <VoxelHead> ask: Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help, and be as specific as possible.
#3751 [22:30] <VoxelHead> ask: If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#3752 [22:30] <morzan> I have run into a material i cant get through, theres a huge amount of it
#3753 [22:30] <Jackson413> inappropriate question example; why won't notch sleep with mah?
#3754 [22:31] <GreyVulpine> Bedrock, most likely
#3755 [22:31] <Jackson413> black or grey
#3756 [22:31] <bread> morzan: that's called bedrock.
#3757 [22:31] <morzan> grey
#3758 [22:31] <morzan> o
#3759 [22:31] <Jackson413> bedrock
#3760 [22:31] <morzan> cant get through it at all?
#3761 [22:31] <Wug> you can't get through it. it's the level floor
#3762 [22:31] <morzan> ah
#3763 [22:31] <Jackson413> i remember when i was new
#3764 [22:31] <Jackson413> :D
#3765 [22:31] <Wug> theres nothing below it anyway
#3766 [22:31] <bread> lol
#3767 [22:31] <fizyplankton> is it kind of lined texture?
#3768 [22:31] <morzan> yes
#3769 [22:31] <Jackson413> i am still a noob anyway lawl
#3770 [22:32] <fizyplankton> then yeah thats bedrock. there is also a dark purple block, obsidiam, that just takes FOREVER to mine thru
#3771 [22:32] <fizyplankton> wug did you connect to my server?
#3772 [22:32] <Wug> java still crashes...
#3773 [22:32] <Wug> firewall issue?
#3774 [22:32] <Wug> are you connecting with your lan ip or your wan ip
#3775 [22:33] <fizyplankton> i ran them on my old winxp machine. now im on ubuntu
#3776 [22:33] <morzan> havent hit any obsidian yet, or diamond have seen everything else
#3777 [22:33] <Wug> uhh
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#3779 [22:33] <fizyplankton> the server has worked fine for months on my old machine. and YES i port forwardd right
#3780 [22:33] <Wug> fizy, can you connect from other machines?
#3781 [22:33] <Wug> over the internet, not locally
#3782 [22:34] <fizyplankton> inm y house, yes. outside, idk
#3783 [22:34] <fizyplankton> im not entirely sure
#3784 [22:34] <fizyplankton> hang on. let me try somethjing
#3785 [22:38] <fizyplankton> ok i have an ancient archive of the whle server running. maybe this will work
#3786 [22:38] <DopeGhoti> I remember the first time I hit bedrock. I only saw one block of it and saw the greay streaks and thought it was diamonds
#3787 [22:38] <fizyplankton> lol
#3788 [22:38] <DopeGhoti> which I was thencetofore unaware were blue
#3789 [22:39] <bread> lol
#3790 [22:39] <bread> I read the wiki a bunch before I played :P
#3791 [22:40] <fizyplankton> ok i have an ancient archive of the whle server running. maybe this will work
#3792 [22:43] <fizyplankton> www.minecraft.net/play.jsp?server=ebc4ca3eb73984dc6cfacda103dcd24d can someone try to connect?
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#3794 [22:56] <fizyplankton> Jackson413: did you get on ok?
#3795 [22:57] <Jackson413> no
#3796 [22:57] <Jackson413> fucked up
#3797 [22:57] <Jackson413> idk y
#3798 [22:57] <TheNytangel> GreyVulpine, winrar or 7zip? :P
#3799 [22:57] <xales> 7zip
#3800 [22:57] <xales> No contest.
#3801 [22:57] <TheNytangel> i didnt ask you..
#3802 [22:57] <Jackson413> winrar ftw
#3803 [22:58] <Jackson413> ohhhhhhhhhhh
#3804 [22:58] <TheNytangel> but thanks for the input :D
#3805 [22:58] <fizyplankton> winrar i AWESOME
#3806 [22:58] <fizyplankton> is*
#3807 [22:58] <TheNytangel> yeah, i like winrar
#3808 [22:58] <Jackson413> .me fail'd
#3809 [22:58] <fizyplankton> hmmmm. i suppoee i can try the official server software. see if that might work
#3810 [22:58] <TheNytangel> lol
#3811 [22:58] * Jackson413 fail'd
#3811 [22:58] <Jackson413> lawlah
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#3815 [23:04] <bread> winrar = not free
#3816 [23:04] <bread> 7zip = free
#3817 [23:05] <CruelNoise> 7zip is also vastly superior
#3818 [23:05] <bread> ^
#3819 [23:05] <bread> .7z is a much better format
#3820 [23:05] <xales> bread: .rar r poop
#3821 [23:05] <bread> yes
#3822 [23:05] <bread> yes it is
#3823 [23:06] <bread> that's what RAR stands for too
#3824 [23:06] <bread> .rar r rpoop
#3825 [23:06] <xales> LOL
#3826 [23:06] <bread> but the 'r' in poop is silent
#3827 [23:06] <fizyplankton> if you all are done bitching, can someone connect to www.minecraft.net/play.jsp?server=ebc4ca3eb73984dc6cfacda103dcd24d ?
#3828 [23:06] <xales> not I, this computer explodes when it touches Java
#3829 [23:07] <bread> this computer asplodes when I do anything CPU intensive
#3830 [23:08] <fizyplankton> on my machine, running classic makes the camera point at the ground and spin like <insert graphic and highly disturbing simile here>
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#3832 [23:12] <xales> fizyplankton: Does it do that on anything else?
#3833 [23:12] <fizyplankton> on beta, no
#3834 [23:12] <xales> do you have any non-mouse input devices (tablet)?
#3835 [23:13] <fizyplankton> a keyboard
#3836 [23:13] <xales> rather, any non-mouse pointer devices
#3837 [23:13] <xales> anyway
#3838 [23:13] <xales> Windows?
#3839 [23:13] <fizyplankton> i can see the mouse straining to go somewhere near the center of the other monitor
#3840 [23:13] <xales> oh, multi-monitor?
#3841 [23:13] <fizyplankton> not wuite center. just near
#3842 [23:13] <fizyplankton> yeah
#3843 [23:13] <xales> see if it does it with the second monitor disabled
#3844 [23:13] <fizyplankton> if i disable multi monitor, it works fine
#3845 [23:14] <fizyplankton> BUT
#3846 [23:14] <fizyplankton> heres the catch
#3847 [23:14] <fizyplankton> know how on your own servers, it shows the alt link to clikc on if the game doesnt work?
#3848 [23:14] <fizyplankton> like "you are connected from the same ip yadayadayada"?
#3849 [23:15] <fizyplankton> if i click that, it forible disables my primary monitor, and reverty to the escondary one
#3850 [23:16] * VoxelHead is back
#3850 [23:16] <fizyplankton> ald it gets weirder
#3851 [23:17] <fizyplankton> when i try to fight it for control of the camera, if i fight to vigerously, it says "Client error <newline> The game broke! [java.lang.NullPointerException]
#3852 [23:17] <fizyplankton> on the red error screen
#3853 [23:17] <fizyplankton> like if you get kicked or whatever, that red screen
#3854 [23:18] <xales> Well, it guess it's an issue with the multimonitor setup
#3855 [23:18] <fizyplankton> i didnt say it was done being weird
#3856 [23:18] <fizyplankton> also, with beta, if i launch it via command line, it says that i ahve zero input devices
#3857 [23:19] <xales> what OS?
#3858 [23:19] <fizyplankton> yet beta works fine, untill it crashes with some bullshit momory error
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#3860 [23:19] <fizyplankton> ubuntu 10.04
#3861 [23:19] <xales> yeah, there are some funny issues with multimonitor on Ubuntu
#3862 [23:20] <xales> (specifically Ubuntu, I haven't seen it on any other distro)
#3863 [23:20] <xales> upgrading to 10.10 might help
#3864 [23:21] <fizyplankton> it might, but i like the LTS aspect of lucid
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#3868 [23:34] <VoxelHead> sleep well Shadow386
#3869 [23:35] <Shadow386|Sleep> I'm going to eat VoxelHead for dinner
#3870 [23:36] <xales> O_o
#3871 [23:42] <DopeGhoti> VoxelHead: eat Shadow386|Sleep
#3872 [23:42] <VoxelHead> *eats Shadow386|Sleep*
#3873 [23:47] <bread> :D
#3874 [23:47] <VoxelHead> :)
#3875 [23:47] <bread> vox, eat some bread!
#3876 [23:47] * VoxelHead eats some bread!
#3876 [23:47] <bread> 8D
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#3878 [23:48] <popc0rn> So, Minecraft doesn't seem to run for me?
#3879 [23:48] <iah> Hello guys, anyone has any tips on providers regarding minecraft servers?
#3880 [23:48] <popc0rn> I have a current java JRE etc.
#3881 [23:49] <xales> popc0rn: What happens when you try to run it?
#3882 [23:49] <xales> iah: http://allgamer.net/
#3883 [23:49] <xales> err
#3884 [23:49] <xales> .com I think
#3885 [23:49] <lahwran> iah: nice nick. it pings me.
#3886 [23:49] <xales> whatever, both work
#3887 [23:49] <popc0rn> in browser it stops at
#3888 [23:49] <AG_Scott> its .net
#3889 [23:49] <popc0rn> "Done loading"
#3890 [23:49] <popc0rn> and the client just won't connect to minecraft.net
#3891 [23:49] <xales> popc0rn: what OS?
#3892 [23:49] <xales> iah: https://allgamer.net/clients/cart.php?a=add&pid=42
#3893 [23:49] <popc0rn> Windows XP
#3894 [23:49] <xales> ??> popc0rn win/reinst
#3895 [23:49] <VoxelHead> popc0rn: (win/reinst) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#3896 [23:49] <VoxelHead> popc0rn: (win/reinst) To do so, press your Windows+R keys, type in %AppData% at the run command, and press Enter. In the window that appears, open the .minecraft directory, and delete the bin directory that you see therein. Then, try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
#3897 [23:50] <iah> xales, thanks! checking it out
#3898 [23:50] <iah> xales, how's fragnet.net ?
#3899 [23:51] <xales> can't say I've ever heard of them
#3900 [23:51] <popc0rn> It still won't run..
#3901 [23:51] <xales> popc0rn: in the browser?
#3902 [23:52] <popc0rn> Either way.
#3903 [23:52] <xales> check the time and date (especially year) on your computer, make sure it's correct
#3904 [23:52] <popc0rn> I already did.
#3905 [23:52] <xales> has it ever worked?
#3906 [23:54] * xales pokes popc0rn
#3906 [23:54] <popc0rn> Still nothing. Meh.
#3907 [23:54] <xales> has it ever worked?
#3908 [23:54] <popc0rn> Nope.
#3909 [23:55] <popc0rn> Is everyone
#3910 [23:55] <xales> okay, do this
#3911 [23:55] <popc0rn> 's appdata for my OS the same?
#3912 [23:55] <xales> go to C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc
#3913 [23:55] <xales> in that folder, open the 'hosts' file
#3914 [23:55] <xales> and copy all of the contents to http://pastebin.com/
#3915 [23:56] * bread eats some popc0rn
#3915 [23:56] <popc0rn> Minecraft isn't on there.
#3916 [23:56] <popc0rn> Nothing is.
#3917 [23:56] <xales> I didn't ask that
#3918 [23:56] <xales> I asked you to copy all of it to pastebin
#3919 [23:57] <popc0rn> http://pastebin.com/BZ4T25iL
#3920 [23:57] <xales> and that's all of it?
#3921 [23:57] <popc0rn> Mhm.
#3922 [23:58] <xales> does it immediately say 'cannot connect to minecraft.net' or does it take a minute?
#3923 [23:58] <popc0rn> It's instant.
#3924 [23:58] * popc0rn eats some bread
#3924 [23:58] <bread> :D
#3925 [23:58] <VoxelHead> =]
#3926 [23:59] <popc0rn> lolol
#3927 [23:59] <xales> popc0rn: hmm
#3928 [23:59] <xales> just want to check something...on http://www.minecraft.net/ it says...
#3929 [23:59] * oldtopmanserver uses xales to propel his pirate ship forwards
#3929 [23:59] <popc0rn> hmm?
#3930 [23:59] <xales> "So far x people have registerd"