#1 [00:00] <TheNytangel> when lightning touches ground, does it blow up the ground?
#2 [00:01] <werwew19> hey if i get a portal2 disc for the pc would i be able to hook it up with steam?
#3 [00:01] <GreyVulpine> yes werwew19
#4 [00:01] <werwew19> sweet
#5 [00:01] <werwew19> :D
#6 [00:01] <VoxelHead> Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet.
#7 [00:01] <GreyVulpine> TheNytangel - Don't believe so
#8 [00:01] <VoxelHead> ;)
#9 [00:01] <TheNytangel> odd
#10 [00:01] <GreyVulpine> It sets fire, doesn't deform the terrain
#11 [00:01] <werwew19> happy easter sunday if you celebrate
#12 [00:01] * frodo throws vox into the flames of Mount Doom.
#12 [00:01] * VoxelHead does a triple inverted twist somersault and lands neatly next to the flames of Mount Doom.
#12 [00:01] <TheNytangel> i saw lightning and heard an explosion..
#13 [00:02] <frodo> lol
#14 [00:02] <frodo> <3
#15 [00:02] <GreyVulpine> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Lightning
#16 [00:02] <GreyVulpine> "If you are near lightning when it strikes, you will hear the same sound as that of a TNT explosion. "
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#18 [00:02] <TheNytangel> ah
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#20 [00:05] <TheNytangel> oh god
#21 [00:05] <TheNytangel> minecraft is on the verge of crashing
#22 [00:06] <VoxelHead> where'd my moose go?
#23 [00:06] <TheNytangel> and it crashed
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#28 [00:21] <mib_lfvrs1> Oh Herro. I'm trying to start up my minecraft server, just downloaded the exe's. I port forwarded 25565 but I still cant join it, why is this?
#29 [00:23] <bokaholic> Trying to connect to your router IP?
#30 [00:24] <mib_lfvrs1> to my computers IP
#31 [00:24] <mib_lfvrs1> used whatismyip
#32 [00:27] <Kealper> http://i.imgur.com/73lBi.jpg
#33 [00:27] <Kealper> ye olde dog
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#35 [00:30] <Llechtim> Hey all
#36 [00:30] <VoxelHead> :-)
#37 [00:30] <Llechtim> I was looking to get some help for a recurring problem ?
#38 [00:32] <Kealper> what sort of problem?
#39 [00:32] <Llechtim> since Beta 1.4 my minecraft has been freezing, not crashing or black screen, just freezing.
#40 [00:32] <Llechtim> I have run every solution I can think of,... and still the same.
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#42 [00:34] <Llechtim> Uninstalled and re-installed everything, defragged everything, updated all drivers etc. And for good measure altered display settings and overclocked/standardised my video card...
#43 [00:35] <Llechtim> Also, I have tried downgrading to 1.3 and playing in and out of browser, same problem...
#44 [00:36] <Llechtim> Amusingly I have also tried changing my password and removing all skins/mods.
#45 [00:38] <Llechtim> Anybody have any idea's?
#46 [00:41] <thisguykills> play in short range
#47 [00:41] <thisguykills> mode
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#49 [00:41] <Llechtim> I have tried this yeah, Still does'nt seem to stop it from freezing, whether on far, normal, short or tiny.
#50 [00:42] <thisguykills> oh
#51 [00:42] <thisguykills> well idk then lol
#52 [00:42] <thisguykills> thats what i do
#53 [00:42] <thisguykills> im goin to sleep
#54 [00:42] <thisguykills> peace
#55 [00:42] <Llechtim> Also tried with smooth lighting on and off, and graphics set both ways.
#56 [00:42] <thisguykills> +happy easter
#57 [00:42] <Quartermaine> Hmm, I am stuck in a maze of tutorials, all alike.
#58 [00:42] <Llechtim> Thanks for trying man :)
#59 [00:42] <thisguykills> np
#60 [00:42] <thisguykills> :)
#61 [00:42] <VoxelHead> ^_^
#62 [00:42] <Quartermaine> Trying to set up a bukkit server. anyone here familiar?
#63 [00:43] <Quartermaine> or is there another channel I should be in?
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#65 [00:45] <Quartermaine> Did I kill the channel? Things seemed so lively only a moment ago.
#66 [00:45] <Mloeven> I need some help with a black screen issue. this one is a bit wierd
#67 [00:46] <Mloeven> i coppied the entire .minecraft folder from one computer to another
#68 [00:46] <Mloeven> minecraft will run just fine on the windows machine
#69 [00:46] <Mloeven> but it blackscreens on the apple
#70 [00:46] <Mloeven> the only mods are the hd texture fix modloader and single player commands
#71 [00:46] <Mloeven> oh and automap
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#73 [00:47] <Mloeven> but why would mods installed into a universal JAR app work one one os but not the other
#74 [00:47] <Mloeven> they all require the same runtime
#75 [00:47] <Llechtim> You need to run Minecraft as the executable .jar file on any Mac/Linux platform
#76 [00:47] <Llechtim> That's as far as my knowledge goes man, sorry.
#77 [00:48] <Mloeven> i am running it from the executable
#78 [00:48] <Mloeven> minecraft.app
#79 [00:48] <Quartermaine> have you tried unloading the mods to see if it works without them?
#80 [00:48] <VoxelHead> I'll need to look that one up quartermaine but what would I know.
#81 [00:48] <Mloeven> i know the program works because it runs on all my other machines
#82 [00:49] <Mloeven> i just wish minecraft actualy saved crash reports somewhere
#83 [00:49] <Quartermaine> voxel... you make bukkit plugins, yeah?
#84 [00:49] <VoxelHead> Shopping.
#85 [00:50] <Quartermaine> wait. that's a random response. You're a bot, aren't you?
#86 [00:50] <Mloeven> the problem i have is minecraft does show that it crashed but the error flashes for half a second and the client closes so i dont know how to copy it
#87 [00:51] <Mloeven> it is like that retarded default setting on windows that automatically restarts the comp after a bsod
#88 [00:51] <Quartermaine> screenshot. On a mac... uh, I think it's command-shift-3
#89 [00:51] <Mloeven> i tried that cant catch it with my puny human reflexes :P
#90 [00:51] <Quartermaine> Heh
#91 [00:51] <VoxelHead> =)
#92 [00:52] <Llechtim> lol, I have the same problem
#93 [00:52] <Quartermaine> Well, if'n you don't mind, I also came here with a problem, so I'm gonna outline it.
#94 [00:53] <Quartermaine> So I'm setting up a server, and have decided to use bukkit. I've followed the instructions, and having started bukkit, I see the thingie which outlines world creation, just like in the 'nilla server app.
#95 [00:54] <Quartermaine> then I start an instance of minecraft, and try to connect to the loopback addy.
#96 [00:54] <Mloeven> i could do a more detailed examination but i dont know of any archive programs that actually let you modify the archive on macs if someone can suggest one
#97 [00:54] <Quartermaine> No dice.
#98 [00:57] <Mloeven> noone knows of a jar editor for mac ??
#99 [00:57] <Quartermaine> in the console, the error is bad packet ID 117
#100 [00:57] <Llechtim> Not me man, sorry.
#101 [00:57] <Llechtim> I think most people in this channel are inactive (sadly)
#102 [00:57] <Quartermaine> So I start up the 'nilla server, and connect, and it works fine.
#103 [00:59] <VoxelHead> mmm herrman
#104 [01:02] <Mloeven> the really annoying thing is that i am running on a ibookg4 so damn it all the freaking tools people write have no reverse compatability with tiger
#105 [01:03] <Mloeven> common people how hard is it to compile a few extra versions for the older os
#106 [01:03] <Mloeven> or at least apple could possible offer upgrades in their normal update but noooo
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#119 [01:27] <edj00> so im running minecraft on my mac and every time o go to create something theirs a glitch that crashes the program help ?
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#122 [01:31] <Hovertac> Hi
#123 [01:31] <Hovertac> I'm having connection issues, can someone help?
#124 [01:31] <Hovertac> hello?
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#126 [01:32] <Hovertac> Hello?
#127 [01:33] <Hovertac> anyone there?
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#129 [01:35] <Hovertac> Hello?
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#132 [01:37] <Hovertac> Anyone there?
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#134 [01:38] <xales> Hovertac: ?
#135 [01:38] <VoxelHead> only with wizwoz
#136 [01:38] <Hovertac> I'm having login issues
#137 [01:38] <Hovertac> http://mibpaste.com/A6xC1V
#138 [01:38] <Hovertac> That's the console output on join attempt
#139 [01:39] <Hovertac> It also happens when all mods are disabled.
#140 [01:39] <Hovertac> It was working earlier today
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#142 [01:41] <Kealper> O.o
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#144 [01:42] <Kealper> Hovertac: i could tell you a super ghetto workaround, it's not a fix, but it's duct tape
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#146 [01:43] <Hovertac> what is your super ghetto workaround?
#147 [01:43] <Kealper> stop the server, open server.properties in whatever text editor you like, set online-mode to false, save, start server again
#148 [01:44] <Hovertac> then I presume no one outside my LAN can join, right?
#149 [01:44] <Kealper> anyone else can still join
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#151 [01:44] <Hovertac> and what exactly will that do?
#152 [01:44] <Kealper> online mode just makes it check minecraft.net to see if the person paid for the game
#153 [01:44] <Hovertac> oh
#154 [01:44] <Kealper> disabling it means the server won't check if someone has paid, and it will just let them on regardless
#155 [01:45] <Hovertac> I guess I'll do that for now.
#156 [01:45] <Kealper> so, you may want to ban the username Playerif you do lol
#157 [01:45] <Llechtim> Hey all (again) Just wondering if anyone has a fix for minecraft locking up?
#158 [01:45] <Kealper> failed on that space ._.
#159 [01:45] <Hovertac> holy shit
#160 [01:45] <Hovertac> after I did that
#161 [01:46] <Hovertac> and I joined
#162 [01:46] <Hovertac> the console flooded with errors
#163 [01:46] <Kealper> Hovertac: O.o
#164 [01:46] <Hovertac> nevermind, lol
#165 [01:46] <Kealper> Hovertac: throw them on mibpaste
#166 [01:46] <Hovertac> it's minecartmania
#167 [01:46] <Kealper> oh
#168 [01:46] <Kealper> >mods
#169 [01:46] <Hovertac> didn't read it :P
#170 [01:46] <Kealper> bleh lol
#171 [01:46] <Kealper> Llechtim: uhh...has it worked before?
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#173 [01:47] <Hovertac> okay, better :P
#174 [01:47] <Hovertac> but I don't understand is how other servers are working, though
#175 [01:47] <Llechtim> It has yeah, until 1.4 worked great
#176 [01:47] <Llechtim> Even on full specs
#177 [01:48] <Kealper> Hovertac: well, that's why it is duct tape...it is only masking a more serious problem...
#178 [01:48] <Kealper> Hovertac: the problem is that your server is failing to resolve www.minecraft.net to a usable ip address for some reason :/
#179 [01:48] <Hovertac> yeah...\
#180 [01:49] <Kealper> Llechtim: tried reinstalling the game files?
#181 [01:49] <Hovertac> my DNS servers are Google's, so I have no idea why that's not working
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#183 [01:49] <Llechtim> Yes I have, even downgrading back as far as 1.3
#184 [01:49] <Kealper> Llechtim: did the downgrades work right?
#185 [01:49] <Llechtim> No same issue
#186 [01:50] <Llechtim> It just freezes, no crash, no bsod, just locks
#187 [01:50] <Hovertac> hm
#188 [01:50] <Hovertac> that was weird
#189 [01:50] <Hovertac> my DNS servers got changed to my router's LAN ip.
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#191 [01:50] <Hovertac> Anyway.
#192 [01:50] <Hovertac> I changed them back and now it's working
#193 [01:51] <Hovertac> I never would of guessed it was the DNS servers
#194 [01:51] <Hovertac> Thanks for the help!
#195 [01:51] * Kealper waves _o/
#195 [01:51] <Kealper> ??> Llechtim win/profile
#196 [01:51] <VoxelHead> Llechtim: (win/profile) It may be helpful to isolate whether this is a problem with your user account, or with your system as a whole.
#197 [01:51] <VoxelHead> Llechtim: (win/profile) Please create a new user profile (a computer user, not a new Minecraft account), log in as that user, and try Minecraft from there. If it works, there's something on your profile that's breaking Java or Minecraft. If not, there's something amiss with your system as a whole.
#198 [01:52] <Llechtim> Okay, thanks, I will try that out, that's something new.
#199 [01:52] <Llechtim> I may be back.
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#203 [01:58] <killking72> anybody on here good with makeing skins?
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#205 [01:59] <killking72> anybody?
#206 [02:01] <aetherian> nyet
#207 [02:01] <killking72> xales you there?
#208 [02:01] <xales> Hi
#209 [02:01] <killking72> you know anything about skins?
#210 [02:02] <xales> No
#211 [02:02] <killking72> know anybody that does?
#212 [02:02] <Kealper> speaking of skins
#213 [02:03] <Kealper> why does Chell have to be female....i can't show my support for Portal 2 with a skin :<
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#215 [02:06] <aetherian> Kealper: Chell has to be a female because
#216 [02:07] <aetherian> given all that you see, if she was a male, that'd be creepy
#217 [02:07] <Kealper> wut
#218 [02:08] <aetherian> hehehe
#219 [02:08] <VoxelHead> :o)
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#222 [02:19] <Llechtim> Back, is Kealper still around?
#223 [02:19] <Kealper> indeed
#224 [02:19] <Llechtim> Fantastic
#225 [02:20] <Llechtim> Yeah mate, that didn't work, the new user account thing.
#226 [02:20] <Llechtim> Same issue
#227 [02:20] <Kealper> hmm....
#228 [02:20] <Kealper> tried reinstalling java?
#229 [02:20] <Kealper> and video drivers?
#230 [02:20] <Llechtim> Yeah, twice before
#231 [02:20] <Llechtim> And yeah, drivers are all updated
#232 [02:20] <Kealper> no mods installed?
#233 [02:21] <Llechtim> Nope
#234 [02:21] <Kealper> no antivirus software installed?
#235 [02:21] <Llechtim> Yes, Avast
#236 [02:22] <Llechtim> Which has exceptions enabled as far as I am aware
#237 [02:22] <Kealper> hmmm...try disabling that completely and trying again
#238 [02:22] <Llechtim> Okay, will do.
#239 [02:22] <Llechtim> If I try and exit, it won't. If I try to kill the process it won't.
#240 [02:23] <Llechtim> Just enter the GUI and disable it there?
#241 [02:23] <Kealper> yeah
#242 [02:24] <Llechtim> Okay will do, bear with me.
#243 [02:24] * Kealper steps away for some water
#243 [02:26] <Kealper> right then
#244 [02:26] <VoxelHead> "right" then... ren
#245 [02:26] <Kealper> >.>
#246 [02:26] * Kealper slaps VoxelHead
#246 [02:26] * VoxelHead annihilates Kealper back with a shortcut
#246 [02:26] <Kealper> :<
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#253 [02:39] <Llechtim> Hey Again, Kealper still about?
#254 [02:39] <Kealper> yessir
#255 [02:39] <Llechtim> Oh brilliant, man, I owe you for this.
#256 [02:39] <Kealper> it was Avast? lol
#257 [02:39] <Llechtim> So, that didn't work either
#258 [02:40] <Llechtim> nope, I just owe you in general :P
#259 [02:40] <Kealper> oh... :<
#260 [02:40] <Llechtim> Sorry to dissappoint, Me too : (
#261 [02:40] <Kealper> well...here is a problem...
#262 [02:40] <Llechtim> Agreed mate
#263 [02:40] <Kealper> i've exausted my ideas on what it could be
#264 [02:40] <Llechtim> Got me stumped
#265 [02:41] <Kealper> short of being something wrong with that install if windows itself
#266 [02:41] <Llechtim> I have read of people having the same problem, with no solution and with MUCH better computers than mine
#267 [02:41] <Llechtim> Yeah, I have considered this
#268 [02:41] <Kealper> hmm...
#269 [02:41] <Llechtim> Maybe it's time for that last resort huh
#270 [02:42] <Kealper> that'd be up to you lol
#271 [02:42] <Kealper> although
#272 [02:42] <Kealper> have you ever messed with linux?
#273 [02:42] <VoxelHead> 42
#274 [02:42] <Llechtim> No, why is that man?
#275 [02:43] <Kealper> i was wondering, because there is a "version" of linux called Ubuntu, and it has an option to be installed inside windows, just like any other program, but you restart your computer to boot in to it instead of windows when you want to use it
#276 [02:44] <Llechtim> Okay... I could giva that a go you think?
#277 [02:44] <Llechtim> lol, giva, typo
#278 [02:44] <Kealper> but the thing is, is i have to be up in like 6 hours, so i won't be able to help :/
#279 [02:45] <Kealper> do you have any program that can mount .iso files?
#280 [02:45] <Llechtim> That's cool man, you've already done so much
#281 [02:45] <aetherian> ooh ooh
#282 [02:45] <Llechtim> Yeah I do
#283 [02:45] <Dark_Fox> Honestly I would recommend against installing Ubuntu inside of Windows
#284 [02:45] <aetherian> heh, wubi.
#285 [02:45] <Dark_Fox> Makes a mess of the file system
#286 [02:45] <Kealper> Dark_Fox: eh?
#287 [02:45] <Dark_Fox> Doesn't damage the system, but it clutters the partition
#288 [02:46] <Llechtim> Oh I see
#289 [02:46] <Dark_Fox> Like, since linux uses case-sensitive names, and Windows does not
#290 [02:46] <Kealper> Dark_Fox: uhh...it's no different than having virtual machine drive...
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#292 [02:46] <Kealper> Dark_Fox: you realize i'm talking about Wubi, and not a true dual-boot, right? :/
#293 [02:47] <Dark_Fox> Kealper: Wubi doesn't use a virtual drive though, does it?
#294 [02:47] <Kealper> Dark_Fox: yes, in a sense
#295 [02:47] <Dark_Fox> define "in a sense"
#296 [02:48] <Kealper> Dark_Fox: it has one big file that it uses to stores it's data in, similar to a VM's disk
#297 [02:48] <Dark_Fox> Oh, I see
#298 [02:48] <Kealper> i wouldn't recommend it to someone if i didn't believe in it 120%
#299 [02:48] <Dark_Fox> I haven't looked at that sort of thing in a few years, my bad
#300 [02:49] <aetherian> Kealper: I really hope this isn't group theory
#301 [02:49] <aetherian> D:
#302 [02:49] <Kealper> but anyways, Llechtim if you would like to give that a go, aetherian just popped in, and he knows his way around that stuff
#303 [02:49] <Llechtim> Me too, lol
#304 [02:49] <aetherian> I do?
#305 [02:49] <Llechtim> Oh okay, sure, If he's alright to help.
#306 [02:49] <aetherian> sure, what the heck
#307 [02:50] <Kealper> aetherian: i'd certainly hope you do...you used Ubuntu as a main OS before >.>
#308 [02:50] <Llechtim> lol, thanks mate
#309 [02:50] <aetherian> Kealper: for about three weeks
#310 [02:50] <Llechtim> So...... what do?
#311 [02:50] <aetherian> uh
#312 [02:50] * Kealper gets download links
#312 [02:50] <aetherian> well, as kealper said, I just popped in
#313 [02:50] <aetherian> so I don't really know what's happening
#314 [02:50] <Kealper> you can afford about 700mb of download right?
#315 [02:51] <Kealper> if not, then this might not be such a hot idea lol
#316 [02:51] <Dark_Fox> aetherian: From what I understant Llechtim is having trouble running minecraft on WIndows so installing Wubi ontop of Windows is going to be used as an alternative for running it
#317 [02:51] <Dark_Fox> I think..
#318 [02:51] <aetherian> hehe, windows.
#319 [02:51] <Kealper> yeah, i was going to suggest that he give it a go running under a Wubi'd Ubuntu
#320 [02:52] <Llechtim> Yeah, I'll clarify my problem.
#321 [02:52] <Kealper> much less extreme than reinstalling windows and losing all his stuff :/
#322 [02:52] <aetherian> a wubified ubuntu?
#323 [02:52] <Dark_Fox> Could always install ubuntu on a thumb drive and run it off that
#324 [02:52] <aetherian> not always
#325 [02:52] <aetherian> not all bioses support that
#326 [02:52] <aetherian> and cds are slow
#327 [02:52] <Llechtim> Lately Minecraft has been simply freezing, as in locking up. Not crashing and providing me with any kind of report or black screen etc,... just crashing.
#328 [02:53] <Dark_Fox> aetherian: I said -thumb dirve-
#329 [02:53] <Llechtim> I am fairly sure my bios would complain
#330 [02:53] <aetherian> Dark_Fox: I heard you
#331 [02:53] <SlashLife^m> Mhh ... how much bandwidth is needed for playing MC?
#332 [02:53] <Kealper> Dark_Fox: flash drives have only been supported as bootable on mainstream mobos (as in, not aftermarket ones) for a reletively short time
#333 [02:53] <Dark_Fox> SlashLife^m: I'd say at least a 1.5Mbps connection would do you good?
#334 [02:54] <aetherian> what
#335 [02:54] <Kealper> SlashLife^m: yeah, most broadband connections are fine for playing on someone else's server
#336 [02:54] <SlashLife^m> Considering that the FTP is running at 13kB/s ... I guess I won,t be able to play it on my cell then. :)
#337 [02:55] <Kealper> well...
#338 [02:55] <Kealper> you could
#339 [02:55] <Llechtim> lol, prolly not...
#340 [02:55] <Kealper> no one said it would be an enjoyable experience though
#341 [02:55] <Kealper> lol
#342 [02:55] <Dark_Fox> 3g/4g networks aren't powerful enough for it
#343 [02:55] <Kealper> 4g might be if you were sitting under a cell tower...but yeah, it would probably explode your phone
#344 [02:55] <Llechtim> Or you : )
#345 [02:56] <SlashLife^m> Supercharged Creeper? xD
#346 [02:56] <aetherian> I can't wait for my windup creeper <3
#347 [02:56] <Llechtim> Thatsssss a nice phone you have there
#348 [02:56] <Kealper> wireless creeper :o
#349 [02:56] <VoxelHead> creeperless wire
#350 [02:56] <aetherian> ^
#351 [02:56] <Kealper> ^
#352 [02:57] <Dark_Fox> Man, did you guys see the bug report on 1.5? Apparently Creepers can glitch now to where they make sounds from -other mobs-
#353 [02:57] <aetherian> v
#354 [02:57] <aetherian> oink
#355 [02:57] <Kealper> asdf.
#356 [02:57] <aetherian> BOOM
#357 [02:57] <Kealper> lol
#358 [02:57] <Llechtim> Thos sneaky f***ers
#359 [02:57] <aetherian> damn, cows just got scarier
#360 [02:57] <Kealper> moooOOOM
#361 [02:58] <Llechtim> lmao
#362 [02:58] <Kealper> gah, spider
#363 [02:58] <Kealper> brb
#364 [02:58] <aetherian> he only /thinks/ it's a spider
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#366 [02:58] <Kealper> eew...nasty....right on my monitor
#367 [02:59] * Kealper gets something to clean that off
#367 [02:59] <aetherian> double entendre much?
#368 [02:59] * Kealper sighs
#368 [02:59] <Kealper> i thought of that after i typed that lol
#369 [02:59] <aetherian> :D
#370 [02:59] <VoxelHead> -_-
#371 [03:00] <Llechtim> le sigh
#372 [03:00] <Kealper> man, that was nasty, it was one of those translucent white-green tree spiders
#373 [03:00] <aetherian> what
#374 [03:00] <aetherian> oh
#375 [03:00] <aetherian> wait
#376 [03:00] <aetherian> what
#377 [03:00] <Kealper> the only spiders that really disgust me
#378 [03:00] <Dark_Fox> he means a -real- spider
#379 [03:00] <aetherian> oh
#380 [03:00] * aetherian slow
#380 [03:00] <Dark_Fox> as in like, -meatspace-
#381 [03:01] <Llechtim> So aetherian, I'm dl'ing Ubuntu
#382 [03:01] <Kealper> http://bugguide.net/images/raw/WLYL2LHZ6LJL6LFLOZSRTZXRDZZZ2LXRULXRYZ7RFZ2R0HPR0H4RDZXR2LKRLHGR1LXZOL5ROZ3L.jpg looks something like that
#383 [03:01] <Llechtim> From there I go out and get the Linux/Other bootable .jar yeah?
#384 [03:01] <Kealper> atleast...it did
#385 [03:01] <aetherian> wait
#386 [03:01] <aetherian> no
#387 [03:01] <aetherian> crap wait no
#388 [03:02] <Llechtim> Alright, crapping and waiting
#389 [03:02] <aetherian> Llechtim: you're downloading wubi, not ubuntu, right?
#390 [03:02] <aetherian> wait, what's happening
#391 [03:02] <Llechtim> Erm... nope, was dl'ing Ubuntu
#392 [03:02] <Kealper> either will work
#393 [03:02] <aetherian> what was the plan again?
#394 [03:02] <Kealper> if he gets wubi standalone, it will download ubuntu, if he gets the ubuntu iso, it comes with wubi on it
#395 [03:03] <aetherian> but
#396 [03:03] <Kealper> they've literally made this pretty fool-proof lol
#397 [03:03] <aetherian> he has to access what's in the iso
#398 [03:03] <aetherian> wait oh right
#399 [03:03] <Kealper> he's already said he has a program installed that can mount iso files
#400 [03:03] <Llechtim> Which he does, wait, I do
#401 [03:03] <aetherian> hehehe
#402 [03:03] <VoxelHead> :o)
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#404 [03:05] <Dark_Fox> Probably daemon tools
#405 [03:05] <Dark_Fox> </obvious>
#406 [03:05] <VoxelHead> I didn't like it before
#407 [03:05] <Llechtim> That's the one
#408 [03:06] <Llechtim> </reiteration>
#409 [03:07] <aetherian> guys
#410 [03:07] <aetherian> you're web pages are showing up all buggy
#411 [03:07] <Llechtim> Affirmative
#412 [03:07] <aetherian> I can see the tags
#413 [03:07] <aetherian> rather
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#415 [03:07] <aetherian> the end tags
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#417 [03:07] <Dark_Fox> {you're}
#418 [03:07] <Llechtim> lmao
#419 [03:07] <aetherian> dammit
#420 [03:08] * aetherian hasn't had enough sleep the past few days
#420 [03:08] * aetherian goes to look for sugar and or caffeine
#420 [03:08] <Dark_Fox> Your intellectual argument is invalid if it ends up being a social faux paux
#421 [03:08] <Kealper> well...that explains why it was so silent in here for the last 5 min
#422 [03:08] <Dark_Fox> er, faux pas
#423 [03:08] <Llechtim> One must then be careful not to arouse the attention of the paux paux, lol
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#425 [03:09] <Dark_Fox> I don't get it
#426 [03:09] <Llechtim> Sorry, pronounciation jokes, always rough
#427 [03:09] <aetherian> back!
#428 [03:09] <Llechtim> gah *pronunciation
#429 [03:09] <Dark_Fox> Probably doesn't carry well over text
#430 [03:09] <aetherian> pro NOUN ciation
#431 [03:09] <Kealper> (po-po, cops, i believe)
#432 [03:10] <Llechtim> Anywas, my Minecraft is broken still...
#433 [03:10] <Dark_Fox> Anyways.. backing up my server to disc..
#434 [03:10] <Llechtim> And yeah Kealper, that's what I was going for
#435 [03:11] <Kealper> right then
#436 [03:11] <Llechtim> So yeah, Minecraft freezing, you think I should attempt to run it under the linux OS?
#437 [03:12] <Kealper> so...if you are downloading Ubuntu to do a Wubi install of it (Wubi is Windows Ubuntu Installer), then i guess i can tell you what to do
#438 [03:12] <Llechtim> Alright, shoot
#439 [03:12] <aetherian> it's not hard with ubuntu \o/
#440 [03:12] <Llechtim> I can imagine
#441 [03:12] <Kealper> ok then
#442 [03:12] <Dark_Fox> Unless Ubuntu doesn't recognize your wireless card like it did with me
#443 [03:12] <Kealper> when you get done downloading that iso
#444 [03:13] <Dark_Fox> Then again...hrm..
#445 [03:13] <Llechtim> So, am I able to go AFK till that's done?
#446 [03:13] <Kealper> mount it, then open the virtual drive (if it doesn't autorun the installer) and run the exe that is on there
#447 [03:13] <Kealper> yeah, but after i get done with this lol
#448 [03:13] <Llechtim> No problem
#449 [03:13] <Kealper> when you run it, there will be a window that will come up asking for some basic information
#450 [03:14] <Llechtim> k
#451 [03:14] <Kealper> it will ask for a computer username, computer password, and what size that you want to allow for Ubuntu
#452 [03:14] <Kealper> the username and password are only used for Ubuntu, so they can be anything you want but can still remember
#453 [03:14] <Llechtim> Ok
#454 [03:15] <Kealper> if you are just going to use Ubuntu for testing Minecraft to see if it's an OS problem, then have Ubuntu's disk size be 4GB, that will give ample room for testing Minecraft stuff
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#456 [03:16] <Llechtim> Sure
#457 [03:16] <Kealper> now, Ubuntu will act completely separate from Windows, so you won't have any of your Windows files while in Ubuntu, and vice-versa
#458 [03:17] <Kealper> but None of your Windows files will be lost, to get back to Windows, just restart and select that at boot
#459 [03:17] <Kealper> if you wish to uninstall Ubuntu, just go in to Programs and Features in Windows and it will show as "Ubuntu" as an installed program...simply uninstall it from there and it's gone
#460 [03:17] <Llechtim> Sounds great to me
#461 [03:18] <Kealper> for the most part, the installation process of it is pretty automated, after entering in that first bit of information, it just does everything else for you
#462 [03:18] <AG_Scott> Kealper, you can mount the NTFS file system in windows...
#463 [03:18] <AG_Scott> errr in ubuntu*
#464 [03:19] <Kealper> AG_Scott: mounting disks is beyond the scope of this lesson :o
#465 [03:19] <AG_Scott> its like clickyclick though :(
#466 [03:19] <Kealper> lol
#467 [03:20] <Llechtim> Alright, so I can go from there... I'll be back though, one way or the other
#468 [03:20] <Kealper> right then, on that note; i'm off to bed, i have to be up early tomorrow
#469 [03:20] <Llechtim> Thanks agian mate, see you soon.
#470 [03:20] <Kealper> if you end up needing help with it, stop by, others in here are Ubuntu ninjas and would be glad to help lol
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#473 [03:23] <aetherian> what
#474 [03:23] <aetherian> what happened
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#483 [04:07] <Wug> good mroeing
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#485 [04:09] <aetherian> ho yes
#486 [04:09] <aetherian> jolly good
#487 [04:09] <aetherian> I always did like a good sport of mroeing
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#497 [05:00] <aetherian> guys guys guys
#498 [05:00] <aetherian> I'm going to bed :O
#499 [05:01] <lemon-rev> well night night too you then :)
#500 [05:02] <aetherian> but wait
#501 [05:02] <aetherian> must... battle... internet... addictions...
#502 [05:02] <lemon-rev> hahahah, never possible :P
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#504 [05:03] <aetherian> must check reddit and slashdot and email and D:
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#510 [05:47] <NikkiD> I need some help. ,_,
#511 [05:47] <NikkiD> Is there anyone actually here?
#512 [05:47] * _303 hides
#512 [05:47] <NikkiD> o.o
#513 [05:48] <_303> so?
#514 [05:48] <NikkiD> I made an account, bought the game, downloaded it, and tried signing in to play it.
#515 [05:48] <NikkiD> Won't let me. =/
#516 [05:48] <NikkiD> Keeps telling me I am not a premium user.
#517 [05:49] <lemon-rev> whats your username
#518 [05:49] <NikkiD> NikkiD
#519 [05:49] <lemon-rev> !paid NikkiD
#520 [05:49] <lemon-rev> hm
#521 [05:49] <lemon-rev> check your email, also paypal, also log into the minecraft.net site
#522 [05:50] <lemon-rev> and under profile, check whats there
#523 [05:50] <NikkiD> Says I need to buy the game to change my skin?
#524 [05:51] <lemon-rev> ok, hm
#525 [05:51] <lemon-rev> check paypal, also it can take
#526 [05:51] <lemon-rev> up to 24 hours to get unlocked, keep checking, sorry but we in here cant do anything about accounts, just keep tabs on your account
#527 [05:52] <NikkiD> I bought the game almost 2 days ago now.
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#529 [05:52] <lemon-rev> what does, paypal say, you might want to contact mojang < or whatever the company name is
#530 [05:53] <NikkiD> Let me see whaat Paypal says.
#531 [05:53] <NikkiD> what*
#532 [05:54] <wHelv> good morning kids
#533 [05:54] <Morrolan> Mornin' daddy
#534 [05:55] <wHelv> Minecraft crashes my graphics driver, what do?
#535 [05:55] <Morrolan> Already updated your graphics driver?
#536 [05:55] <lemon-rev> explane crash
#537 [05:55] <Morrolan> And yea, the error message would be helpful.
#538 [05:55] <wHelv> Screen goes black. If I'm lucky it recovers, if not, the computer bluescreens
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#540 [05:56] <NikkiD> Paypal is not showing a payment, but when I clicked on download it said I had paid for the game.
#541 [05:56] <Morrolan> NikkiD: Oh well, I wouldn't complain then. :D
#542 [05:57] <Morrolan> If you want to you can send an e-mail to payment@mojang.com though.
#543 [05:57] <lemon-rev> wHelv try reinstalling java, please, just humur me
#544 [05:57] <wHelv> I did.
#545 [05:58] <lemon-rev> wHelv what about running mc in minecraft.net webiste ?
#546 [05:58] <lemon-rev> website*
#547 [05:58] <wHelv> Also causes a crash
#548 [05:58] <lemon-rev> wHelv delete the /bin directory
#549 [05:59] <Morrolan> Did you try disabling Avanced OpenGL?
#550 [05:59] <lemon-rev> Morrolan please do send that email and just wait for a responce
#551 [05:59] <Morrolan> Lemon-rev: Hmm?
#552 [05:59] <wHelv> Morrolan I did not
#553 [05:59] <lemon-rev> i doubt it, since he cant even access the game
#554 [05:59] <Morrolan> Didn't you want to address that to Nikkid? ;)
#555 [05:59] <lemon-rev> oh
#556 [05:59] <lemon-rev> lol
#557 [06:00] <lemon-rev> doh*
#558 [06:00] <lemon-rev> hahahah
#559 [06:00] <wHelv> I will disable it once nvidia updates.
#560 [06:00] <NikkiD> No, I got it working now.
#561 [06:00] <NikkiD> Thank you though.
#562 [06:00] <lemon-rev> wtf, nikkid what happens ?
#563 [06:00] <lemon-rev> what you do ??
#564 [06:00] <wHelv> Also, how does advanced openGL differ from not advanced opengl?
#565 [06:00] <Morrolan> wHelv: I have no idea, honestly. I just know that there are people who crash with it.
#566 [06:01] <wHelv> Its probably a setting for really really high end devices.
#567 [06:01] <wHelv> Or 64-bit devices.
#568 [06:01] <wHelv> My best guess wold be that advanced openGL causes variable overflows on 32-bit machines
#569 [06:03] <wHelv> "Advanced OpenGL (Occlusion Culling: doesn't render blocks that the player can't "see", helps performance in cards that support it)."
#570 [06:03] <wHelv> Well, I was half-right
#571 [06:03] <Morrolan> Oh, good to know.
#572 [06:04] <wHelv> Notch should have done that with all versions >:C
#573 [06:04] <Morrolan> I wonder why it isn't called "Occlusion culling" though. :7
#574 [06:04] <Morrolan> :/*
#575 [06:04] <wHelv> Because all minecraft players have autism and do not know what that is.
#576 [06:04] <Morrolan> Yea, that must be it.
#577 [06:06] <linduxed> ok so some updates have floated in, anyone who thinks this is a CPU issue? http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=303641&p=4263728#p4263728
#578 [06:07] <wHelv> Mess with graphics settings
#579 [06:07] <wHelv> All of them
#580 [06:09] <wHelv> I wonder what this button does...
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#583 [06:13] <Urkel> Hi.
#584 [06:13] <Urkel> I have a quick question.
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#586 [06:14] <wHelv> Hey guess what just happened
#587 [06:14] <Urkel> ?
#588 [06:14] <Urkel> Can anyone help me?
#589 [06:15] <wHelv> Another driver crash! :D
#590 [06:15] <Urkel> Is it possible to run a mostly vanilla server on .99gb of ram?
#591 [06:15] <wHelv> Probably, but with very few people.°
#592 [06:15] <wHelv> Try it
#593 [06:15] <Urkel> If it's not exactly "popular"
#594 [06:16] <wHelv> Then probably yes
#595 [06:16] <Urkel> Because I'm currently running it off my laptop with 4gb of ram, but I want to set up a "dedicated" computer for it.
#596 [06:16] <wHelv> Morrolan wake up
#597 [06:16] <Urkel> Well thanks.. :P
#598 [06:16] <Urkel> If it gets more popular, then I'll end up setting up a cloud for it.
#599 [06:16] <Urkel> Bye.
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#603 [07:01] <Zw> Hi
#604 [07:01] <_303> Hello
#605 [07:02] <Zw> Is it hard to set up own shell for irc on my dedicated server?
#606 [07:02] <Zw> psyBNC i mean
#607 [07:02] <Zw> or what they use today
#608 [07:02] <Zw> When i was younger it was psyBNC and eggdrops
#609 [07:02] <AG_Scott> znc ftw
#610 [07:03] <Zw> znc
#611 [07:03] <Zw> what is the differnce?
#612 [07:04] <Dark_Fox> Zw: You talking about setting up an IRC bot?
#613 [07:05] <Zw> more like psyBNC
#614 [07:05] <Zw> guess i can use this
#615 [07:05] <Zw> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/psyBNC
#616 [07:06] <Dark_Fox> you mean like, leaving IRC running 24/7?
#617 [07:06] <AG_Scott> ZNC!
#618 [07:06] <AG_Scott> http://en.znc.in/
#619 [07:06] <AG_Scott> kgo
#620 [07:06] <Dark_Fox> What's wrong with using irssi and screen?
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#622 [07:06] <gTestBot> Testing the bot. Please say something!
#623 [07:07] <Dark_Fox> Something tells me this isn't the right place to be testing such things
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#625 [07:08] <ManBearPig> Orly, dark_fox?
#626 [07:09] <ManBearPig> It seems like a good place, with a channel that always has active people
#627 [07:09] <ManBearPig> but it's a bot being written for this channel, anyway :P
#628 [07:10] <ManBearPig> But I can say that test was a resounding success
#629 [07:10] <ManBearPig> :3
#630 [07:10] <Dark_Fox> If you're writing bots for this channel you may want to run that by the OPs first
#631 [07:10] <ManBearPig> Already have
#632 [07:10] * ManBearPig is g
#632 [07:11] <Dark_Fox> g?
#633 [07:11] <ManBearPig> ~raw privmsg #minecrafthelp :Indeed
#634 [07:11] <ManBearPig> lol
#635 [07:12] <ManBearPig> it was muted again?
#636 [07:12] <ManBearPig> damn it, xales :P
#637 [07:12] <ManBearPig> Yeah
#638 [07:13] <Dark_Fox> No clue what significance that has.
#639 [07:14] <g> Well, I have talked to the ops, anyway
#640 [07:14] <g> Also, mibbit messed up and I can't see the channel tab, lol
#641 [07:14] <g> so brb
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#644 [07:15] <g> Nope, still cant see it *facedesk*
#645 [07:15] <thefRont> harder
#646 [07:15] <g> I'll get on my bouncer.. God I hate using mIRC over RDP
#647 [07:18] <g> Well, at least it works, I suppose
#648 [07:20] <gRDP2002> Time for lunch, I think
#649 [07:30] * mib_2stjkf [mib_2stjkf@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#650 [07:30] <mib_2stjkf> hrllo?
#651 [07:30] <mib_2stjkf> gayyy
#652 [07:30] <mib_2stjkf> gay
#653 [07:30] <_303> is that so
#654 [07:31] <mib_2stjkf> fuck
#655 [07:31] <mib_2stjkf> yaay
#656 [07:31] <mib_2stjkf> finally someone to talk to
#657 [07:31] <mib_2stjkf> i was getting lonely
#658 [07:32] <mib_2stjkf> anyways. errm , i need help
#659 [07:33] <mib_2stjkf> hello..?
#660 [07:33] <Dark_Fox> ./comments > /dev/null
#661 [07:34] <mib_2stjkf> you guys probably come across this q a lot..
#662 [07:34] * Urkel [Urkel@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#663 [07:34] <Urkel> Hi.\
#664 [07:34] <mib_2stjkf> but errm..
#665 [07:34] <Urkel> Can you please try connect to my server?
#666 [07:34] <Urkel> I moved it to a new computer..... and I just wanna test it.
#667 [07:34] <mib_2stjkf> how to set up mp mc server without hamatchi
#668 [07:34] <mib_2stjkf> ??
#669 [07:35] <NotiCon> set it up normal then
#670 [07:35] <Dark_Fox> Urkel: IP?
#671 [07:35] <mib_2stjkf> how?
#672 [07:36] <mib_2stjkf> im confused :<
#673 [07:36] <NotiCon> run the server application?
#674 [07:36] <mib_2stjkf> i need a server to run it on 1st
#675 [07:36] <NotiCon> then make a server?
#676 [07:36] <mib_2stjkf> thats the q
#677 [07:37] <Dark_Fox> You need to provide your own server, dude
#678 [07:37] <mib_2stjkf> how??
#679 [07:37] <NotiCon> -.-
#680 [07:37] <mib_2stjkf> i thought you guys would help.. :<
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#682 [07:38] <Urkel> Wait up dark fox
#683 [07:38] <Urkel> I gotta update java on this comp before it will run
#684 [07:38] <Urkel> aha
#685 [07:38] <NotiCon> mib_2stjkf: hard to help with that problem
#686 [07:39] <mib_2stjkf> how hard can it be to explain hot mto make a server?
#687 [07:39] * SlashLife^m [SlashLife^m@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#688 [07:40] <Dark_Fox> mib_2stjkf: Donwload this and run this file: http://www.minecraft.net/download/Minecraft_Server.exe?v=1303645187964
#689 [07:40] <Dark_Fox> Then start your Minecraft client and connect to 127.0.0.1
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#691 [07:40] <mib_2stjkf> port?
#692 [07:41] <TheNytangel> no port
#693 [07:41] <Dark_Fox> If you don't put a port it connects to the default port
#694 [07:41] <Dark_Fox> Which, if you need it, feel free to look it up on google.
#695 [07:41] <mib_2stjkf> ahh, will others be able to connect?
#696 [07:41] <TheNytangel> plus, when you are hosting from your computer, its just 127.0.0.1 or localhost
#697 [07:41] <TheNytangel> yes
#698 [07:41] <mib_2stjkf> can I try it out with you guys? :3
#699 [07:41] <TheNytangel> >.> sure
#700 [07:41] <mib_2stjkf> (A)
#701 [07:41] <Dark_Fox> Yes, they will. But you may need to port forward if you're behind a firewall or router
#702 [07:42] <mib_2stjkf> okay, let me just set up :)
#703 [07:42] <mib_2stjkf> so how do you guys join if I run it with my local IP?
#704 [07:42] <mib_2stjkf> I cant just give you the 127.0.0.1 ip
#705 [07:42] <Dark_Fox> www.whatismyip.com
#706 [07:43] <mib_2stjkf> ahh right.
#707 [07:43] <mib_2stjkf> okay, let me just set up :)
#708 [07:43] <mib_2stjkf> thanks you guys!
#709 [07:44] <Dark_Fox> I long for the delicious coppery taste of a depleated uranium shell.
#710 [07:44] <mib_2stjkf> You shall have twice the amount!
#711 [07:44] <TheNytangel> wut?
#712 [07:46] <Urkel> inforgamtion>dynnds>org
#713 [07:46] <Urkel> (i cant use a period for some reason :? )
#714 [07:46] <Urkel> god dammit>
#715 [07:47] <NotiCon> alt+shift then
#716 [07:47] <Urkel> Oh, thanks.. ahahaha
#717 [07:48] <Dark_Fox> So what was with the dyndns stuff, Urkel
#718 [07:48] <Urkel> Grr. I can't use an exclamation mark, my one...
#719 [07:48] <Urkel> inforgamtion.dyndns.org << IP address of my server.
#720 [07:48] <Dark_Fox> Ah
#721 [07:48] <Dark_Fox> Well, it's not an IP address but same diff
#722 [07:49] <Urkel> yeah
#723 [07:49] <TheNytangel> omg im so tired
#724 [07:49] <Morrolan> Little heads up: Do NOT connect to server being posted by random people, they are able to log in to any server with your minecraft account if you do so.
#725 [07:49] <Morrolan> Use the bot instead.
#726 [07:50] <Urkel> I cant use check
#727 [07:50] <Urkel> someone try it for me?
#728 [07:50] <TheNytangel> !check inforgamtion.dyndns.org
#729 [07:50] <Morrolan> Urkel: Hmm? What does it say if you try it?
#730 [07:50] <Urkel> Cool.
#731 [07:50] <Urkel> The lag is terrible, though..
#732 [07:50] <Urkel> running off the shittest comp possible.
#733 [07:51] <Dark_Fox> Urkel: I can connect
#734 [07:51] <Dark_Fox> But it's all broken and stuff inside
#735 [07:51] <Dark_Fox> Can't break blocks, lagging everywhere
#736 [07:51] <Urkel> huh?
#737 [07:51] <Dark_Fox> And for some reason your head looked like it was snapped to the side
#738 [07:51] <Urkel> xD
#739 [07:51] <Urkel> Like I said, running off the shittest comp possible
#740 [07:52] <Dark_Fox> Also, I'm not too concerned about people trying to steal my account, but thanks anyways for the warning, Morrolan
#741 [07:52] <Urkel> just wanted to test if it worked on this computer.
#742 [07:52] <Morrolan> Dark_Fox: It's your decision after all.
#743 [07:52] <Urkel> Darkfox
#744 [07:53] <mib_2stjkf> My comps shitter -.-
#745 [07:53] <mib_2stjkf> only 512mb ram :\
#746 [07:53] <Urkel> Try connect agaain, and check the lag?
#747 [07:54] <Dark_Fox> Where are you located, Urkel?
#748 [07:54] <Morrolan> mib: Might want to consider buying some RAM then, it's that cheap nowadays.
#749 [07:54] <Urkel> Australia
#750 [07:54] <Dark_Fox> Uhh..
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#752 [07:54] <Dark_Fox> I seem to be stuck in a box or something
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#754 [07:54] <Dark_Fox> I can't look around
#755 [07:54] <Urkel> ?
#756 [07:55] <Urkel> Dark_fox, how bad is the lag?
#757 [07:55] <Dark_Fox> Pretty bad
#758 [07:55] <Dark_Fox> Text takes a looong time to transmit
#759 [07:56] <Urkel> Hmm.
#760 [07:56] <Urkel> Seems to run better off my laptop.
#761 [07:56] <Morrolan> Urkel: How is your upload speed?
#762 [07:56] <Urkel> Okay, thanks for the help.
#763 [07:56] <Urkel> Ugh.
#764 [07:56] <Urkel> Not sure.
#765 [07:56] <Urkel> Doesn't matter anyway, going back to my laptop anyway.
#766 [07:56] <Morrolan> k
#767 [07:56] <Urkel> Thanks for the help, bye.
#768 [07:56] <Dark_Fox> Later
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#770 [08:04] <Urkel> Dark_fox, you there?
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#772 [08:05] <Urkel> !check inforgamtion.dyndns.org
#773 [08:05] <AJewishTree> *sniffs* ..hate waking up too early. >.<
#774 [08:06] <Urkel> xD
#775 [08:15] <Urkel> Does running a minecraft server only temporarily take up memory
#776 [08:15] <Urkel> ?
#777 [08:15] <gRDP2002> Running anythhing takes up RA
#778 [08:15] <gRDP2002> RAM*
#779 [08:15] <gRDP2002> RAM is freed once the progran is killed or no longer needs it
#780 [08:16] <Urkel> Thought so...
#781 [08:16] <Urkel> Cool
#782 [08:17] <gRDP2002> Additionally
#783 [08:17] <gRDP2002> RAM has no persistant storage
#784 [08:17] <gRDP2002> and is cleared every time it loses power
#785 [08:17] <Urkel> Oh, k cool..
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#787 [08:19] <Dark_Fox> Urkel: Did you need me to test it again?
#788 [08:21] <Urkel> Ugh, just a lag test, if that's okay....
#789 [08:22] <wH> Hey guys I figured out why Minecraft kills my graphics driver
#790 [08:22] <wH> My graphics card died :D
#791 [08:22] <Morrolan> Haha. XD
#792 [08:23] <Morrolan> That explains it. :D
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#794 [08:23] <Morrolan> In the future I'll just tell anyone who has issues with his graphics driver to make sure that his graphics card isn't dying. :D
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#797 [08:26] <Llechtim> Hey all
#798 [08:27] <Llechtim> Been on here several times today, is anyone still about that can help me out?
#799 [08:28] <wH> Now I'm talking to some retail guy about gettign a new card.
#800 [08:28] <wH> Apparently even the cheapest card on the market will be better than my current one
#801 [08:28] <wH> Also, llechtim whats up
#802 [08:28] <Llechtim> Oh, just my Minecraft freezing
#803 [08:28] <Llechtim> always after about 3 minutes
#804 [08:28] <wH> Has it always done that or is it doing that now?
#805 [08:29] <Llechtim> And I have tried everything.... like, everything.
#806 [08:29] <Llechtim> No it's only been doing it since 1.4
#807 [08:29] <Llechtim> Not with 1.3
#808 [08:29] <wH> I'm assuming you already tried turning off advanced opengl
#809 [08:30] <Llechtim> Yeah, run it with all settings altered.
#810 [08:30] <Llechtim> In short yes
#811 [08:30] <Morrolan> Updated Java, graphics driver, everything?
#812 [08:30] <Morrolan> Does it happen in SMP only, or in singleplayer as well?
#813 [08:30] <Dark_Fox> Llechtim: Did you try the Linux thing?
#814 [08:30] <Llechtim> Oh hey Fox, and yes I did... which is why I have been away this long.
#815 [08:31] <Llechtim> Same issue
#816 [08:31] <wH> Check if your driver isn't dying
#817 [08:31] <Llechtim> It happens in both single and multi
#818 [08:31] <Llechtim> And yeah, all drivers up to date and re-installed (several times)
#819 [08:31] <Dark_Fox> Are you using the Oracle JDK?
#820 [08:31] <Dark_Fox> er, JRE
#821 [08:31] <Llechtim> I am
#822 [08:31] <Dark_Fox> Even with Ubuntu? Ubuntu uses OpenJRE by default, IIRC
#823 [08:31] <Llechtim> Yeah, it was with Ubuntu
#824 [08:32] <lukegb[CR]> 4f8:101:2403::2:1 PRIVMSG #minecrafthelp :Llechtim: java -version. http://pastebin.com gogogo
#825 [08:32] <Dark_Fox> As in, you used the Oracle JRE instead of the OpenJRE with Ubuntu?
#826 [08:32] <Dark_Fox> Because Minecraft is unstable with the default Ubuntu JRE
#827 [08:32] <wH> Wait, you're using not windows?
#828 [08:32] <wH> Ubuntu?
#829 [08:32] <wH> Found your problem
#830 [08:32] <gRDP2002> lol, not-windows
#831 [08:33] <Llechtim> No I am using Windows XP 32bit now
#832 [08:33] <wH> Oh, good.
#833 [08:33] <Llechtim> It's really got me stumped fellas
#834 [08:33] <Dark_Fox> wH There's nothing wrong with Linux
#835 [08:33] <wH> Linux is a kernel.
#836 [08:33] * gRDP2002 slaps wH around a bit with a large trout.
#836 [08:33] <Llechtim> It just freezes... And I have had my Task Manager up and watched the RAM and CPU, no spikes, nothing
#837 [08:33] * GreyVulpine baps wH
#837 [08:34] <Dark_Fox> wH: And you're a smartass
#838 [08:34] <wH> ...
#839 [08:34] <Dark_Fox> Llechtim: What're your system specs?
#840 [08:34] <gRDP2002> If you think Linux is the problem
#841 [08:34] <gRDP2002> It isn't; you are
#842 [08:34] <wH> When you say "Linux" I don't know what you're refering to, because Linux is a kernel, not an operating system.
#843 [08:34] <wH> If you specify which distribution of Linux, then I will understand.
#844 [08:34] <gRDP2002> We're hardly going to be referring to the base kernel in here
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#846 [08:35] <Dark_Fox> wH: Tell me, what sort of tech experience do you have
#847 [08:35] <wH> I'm richard stallman
#848 [08:35] <Morrolan> Is it really necessary to do this in here?
#849 [08:35] <Llechtim> 2 x 3.2 Ghz Intel Pentium 4 CPU's, ATI Radeon 3650 HD GPU, 1.3 GHz RAM, Paging file set to 1150.
#850 [08:35] <Dark_Fox> Yeah, and I'm Batman
#851 [08:35] <Llechtim> Oh, bots, nothing spectacular
#852 [08:35] <Llechtim> lol, bots, I meant *bits
#853 [08:35] <wH> Batman, my worst nemesis.
#854 [08:36] <Dark_Fox> Llechtim: Dual-Core or physically two CPUs?
#855 [08:36] <Llechtim> Hmmm, Dual Core
#856 [08:36] <gRDP2002> How much ram?
#857 [08:36] <Llechtim> Just double check that
#858 [08:36] <Llechtim> hang on
#859 [08:36] <gRDP2002> Not the speed
#860 [08:36] <gRDP2002> the amount
#861 [08:36] <Llechtim> Oh wow, you'll laugh, 768Mb
#862 [08:37] <Llechtim> Although it used to run great
#863 [08:37] <gRDP2002> There's your problem :P
#864 [08:37] <Dark_Fox> Ah, that could be it
#865 [08:37] <Llechtim> Yeah, that's my gut
#866 [08:37] <gRDP2002> I think it recently started to allocate itself just under a gig
#867 [08:37] <Dark_Fox> Your system generally needs about 2GB of RAM total for Minecraft to run smoothly
#868 [08:37] <gRDP2002> So it would be odd if it worked at all
#869 [08:37] <GreyVulpine> Minecraft has always done 512-1024.
#870 [08:37] <Llechtim> Sure, well I guess that's my answer, get more RAM huh?
#871 [08:37] <GreyVulpine> Allocates 512 to start, and grows to 1024.
#872 [08:37] <gRDP2002> I think so yes
#873 [08:38] <GreyVulpine> With the last few versions, it has gotten more RAM hungry
#874 [08:38] <Dark_Fox> Llechtim: Yes, especially if you have the -exact same problem- with two different OSs
#875 [08:38] <Llechtim> Well there we go, at least that is a concrete answer, seemingly unanamous
#876 [08:38] <Dark_Fox> Well, it's a concrete theory anyways
#877 [08:38] <gRDP2002> :P
#878 [08:38] <gRDP2002> ^ that
#879 [08:38] <Llechtim> lol, isn't everything </nerdy comment>
#880 [08:39] <Morrolan> Can't you just pass it the maximum amount of RAM to use on startup? Might not run too smooth then, but still better than now.
#881 [08:39] <gRDP2002> Nope
#882 [08:39] <gRDP2002> Peopke have tried that
#883 [08:39] <gRDP2002> people*
#884 [08:39] <Morrolan> Hmm, shame.
#885 [08:39] <gRDP2002> it doesn't work
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#887 [08:39] <GreyVulpine> You sure about that?
#888 [08:39] <gRDP2002> Yeah
#889 [08:39] <sp4rks0rz> hello, can anyone help me?
#890 [08:39] <gRDP2002> Someone was here yesterday, in fact
#891 [08:39] <GreyVulpine> We've had people get the .jar, and execute it with just 64 megs of RAM
#892 [08:39] <Morrolan> yep
#893 [08:39] <gRDP2002> ?. ask
#894 [08:39] <gRDP2002> ?? ask
#895 [08:39] <VoxelHead> ask: Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help, and be as specific as possible.
#896 [08:39] <GreyVulpine> It's actually worked
#897 [08:39] <Dark_Fox> Well, IIRC passing the memory parameters to Minecraft will tell the JVM what to allocate, but the program will still allocate whatever it needs on its own
#898 [08:39] <VoxelHead> ask: If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#899 [08:40] <gRDP2002> Dark_Fox: Exactly
#900 [08:40] <Llechtim> GreyVulpine, How would I go about trialing this solution you're talking about
#901 [08:40] <GreyVulpine> No, it tells java what the min and maximum heap size that java process can use
#902 [08:40] <Dark_Fox> When you get to shit like direct hardware access through the LWJGL it sort of breaks things
#903 [08:40] <gRDP2002> Llechtim: Buy more ram :P
#904 [08:41] <sp4rks0rz> im trying to download minecraft on mac, v10.1.4.4 ..... and when i download minecraft, and open it, once i have entered my usename and password, it says i can connect to minecraft.net (havnt downloaded) - what do i do?
#905 [08:41] <Llechtim> Yeah, it's looking like that's my answer, already have it tee'd up.... damn public holidays though
#906 [08:41] <Dark_Fox> Since, IIRC, LWJGL uses pre-compiled C libraries to do some of the hardware acceleration
#907 [08:41] <gRDP2002> sp4rks0rz: Ingame name?
#908 [08:41] <GreyVulpine> The process itself can grow beyond the size you specify, but you'd told it what the max heap size could be.
#909 [08:41] <sp4rks0rz> * v 10.4.11
#910 [08:41] <sp4rks0rz> sp4rks0rz
#911 [08:41] <Morrolan> sp4rks0rz: Aready made sure that your security software isn't blocking it?
#912 [08:41] <gRDP2002> !paid sp4rks0rz
#913 [08:41] <gRDP2002> Hmm
#914 [08:41] <gRDP2002> What is this 10.4.11 you speak of?
#915 [08:42] <gRDP2002> The latest is 1.5_02
#916 [08:42] <Morrolan> OS
#917 [08:42] <sp4rks0rz> sorry. its mac v1.4.11
#918 [08:42] <gRDP2002> Oh rit
#919 [08:42] <gRDP2002> right*
#920 [08:42] <gRDP2002> hm
#921 [08:42] <gRDP2002> Someone had this yesterday, too
#922 [08:42] * gRDP2002 tries to remember what they did
#922 [08:42] <Morrolan> Yea, make sure that your security software and firewall aren't blocking Minecraft.
#923 [08:42] <sp4rks0rz> okay, how can i check?
#924 [08:43] <gRDP2002> Does it work in a browser?
#925 [08:43] <sp4rks0rz> ill check
#926 [08:44] <sp4rks0rz> it doesnt seem to be...
#927 [08:44] <gRDP2002> Can you ping minecraft.net from a terminal?
#928 [08:45] <sp4rks0rz> Im sorry, i dont understand what you mean? (im not the best with computers)
#929 [08:45] <gRDP2002> Open a terminal
#930 [08:45] <Tanjoodo> I see no reason why you can't
#931 [08:45] <gRDP2002> type ping minecraft.net
#932 [08:45] <gRDP2002> Tanjoodo: Hosts, maybe
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#934 [08:46] <sp4rks0rz> ping minecraft.net
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#936 [08:46] <gRDP2002> in the terminal
#937 [08:46] <gRDP2002> then hit enter
#938 [08:46] <Chucky109> hey
#939 [08:46] <gRDP2002> ohai
#940 [08:46] <Urkel> Didn't amazon ec2 give you a small vps at some point?
#941 [08:46] <sp4rks0rz> in the terminal? is the terminal my adress bar?
#942 [08:46] <gRDP2002> no
#943 [08:47] <gRDP2002> its an app
#944 [08:47] <sp4rks0rz> oh right..
#945 [08:47] <gRDP2002> Console, terminal, command prompt
#946 [08:47] <Urkel> ??
#947 [08:47] <Chucky109> 1 question i want to gift the game to my friend and i want to know is it true that when he has an alpha key he doesn't have to pay for any coming update? or is alpha the same as beta?
#948 [08:47] <gRDP2002> That's correct, he won't.
#949 [08:48] <Chucky109> and if he get a beta key it's the same?
#950 [08:48] <Urkel> Anyone?
#951 [08:48] <gRDP2002> urk: ?
#952 [08:48] <GreyVulpine> Chucky109 - Basically yes, both will get all bug fixes, updates, and the final release for free
#953 [08:48] <Urkel> Didn't amazon ec2 give you a small vps at some point?
#954 [08:48] <Urkel> for free?
#955 [08:48] <gRDP2002> No..
#956 [08:48] <Chucky109> okay thanks
#957 [08:48] <gRDP2002> No, they didn't
#958 [08:48] <Urkel> I swear they did. hmm
#959 [08:48] <GreyVulpine> Chucky109 - The only difference is that the alpha key will get expansions beyond the final release for free
#960 [08:48] <Chucky109> no? :o
#961 [08:48] <GreyVulpine> While beta users will have to pay
#962 [08:48] <gRDP2002> Never heard of a free VPS
#963 [08:49] <Chucky109> ah ok
#964 [08:49] <gRDP2002> That's like a free lunch - it just doesn't happen
#965 [08:49] <Urkel> Oh, for one year, or smth..
#966 [08:49] <gRDP2002> Oh that
#967 [08:49] <gRDP2002> Yeah, sort of
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#969 [08:49] <Urkel> http://aws.amazon.com/free/
#970 [08:49] <GreyVulpine> gRDP2002 - http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/
#971 [08:49] <GreyVulpine> Micro-instance
#972 [08:49] <sp4rks0rz> gRDP2002 - im a little confused, what do i need to find?
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#974 [08:49] <GreyVulpine> Free for one year
#975 [08:49] <gRDP2002> sp4rks0rz: I don't use mac
#976 [08:50] <gRDP2002> But I oresume there's a terminal
#977 [08:50] <gRDP2002> presume*
#978 [08:50] <GreyVulpine> There is
#979 [08:50] <sp4rks0rz> okay..
#980 [08:50] <sp4rks0rz> thats like a command prompt on windows?
#981 [08:50] <Dark_Fox> Urkel: That doesn't look powerful enough
#982 [08:50] <gRDP2002> Yes it is
#983 [08:50] <GreyVulpine> sp4rks0rz - Go up to the application menu, then to utilities
#984 [08:50] <GreyVulpine> You'll find the terminal tehre
#985 [08:50] <GreyVulpine> there*
#986 [08:50] <sp4rks0rz> thank you :)
#987 [08:51] <Llechtim> Thanks for your help everyone, I'll be back in at some point I imagine : P
#988 [08:51] <gRDP2002> :P
#989 [08:51] <sp4rks0rz> gRDP2002: ok, i have my terminal open
#990 [08:51] <Llechtim> Have a great long weekend (should it be long where you're from)
#991 [08:52] <gRDP2002> sp4rks0rz: ping minecraft.net
#992 [08:52] <gRDP2002> What IP did you get?
#993 [08:52] <gRDP2002> (if any)
#994 [08:52] <sp4rks0rz> 50.16.203.217
#995 [08:53] <gRDP2002> That looks.. odd..
#996 [08:53] <GreyVulpine> That looks right
#997 [08:53] <GreyVulpine> Should resolve to amazon.
#998 [08:53] <gRDP2002> oh, it is
#999 [08:53] <gRDP2002> OK
#1000 [08:53] <sp4rks0rz> what should i do now?
#1001 [08:53] <GreyVulpine> sp4rks0rz - Could you check your system time and date, make absolutely sure it's correct?
#1002 [08:54] <sp4rks0rz> it is right :)
#1003 [08:54] <gRDP2002> Matches mine lol
#1004 [08:54] <sp4rks0rz> 24th - 13:54
#1005 [08:54] <GreyVulpine> Year, as well?
#1006 [08:54] <Urkel> Urgh... You still have to enter your credit card details, -_-
#1007 [08:54] <gRDP2002> 2011
#1008 [08:54] <sp4rks0rz> april 2011
#1009 [08:55] <gRDP2002> i TIME'd him
#1010 [08:55] <gRDP2002> I*
#1011 [08:55] <sp4rks0rz> haha
#1012 [08:55] <GreyVulpine> Then hmm.
#1013 [08:56] <sp4rks0rz> i have downloaded it and played it on my windows computer... and played on the account..
#1014 [08:56] <sp4rks0rz> its just i have now updated to this mac
#1015 [08:56] <gRDP2002> "updated" :P
#1016 [08:56] <gRDP2002> Mm, I have no idea to be honest
#1017 [08:56] <sp4rks0rz> well... yeah :P its a "handy down"
#1018 [08:56] <Zwirc> How to start a znc client ?
#1019 [08:57] <Zwirc> when i have done the config
#1020 [08:57] <gRDP2002> Zwirc: This isn't the place to ask that
#1021 [08:57] <Zwirc> or do i ned to start all over again with config
#1022 [08:57] <Zwirc> sorry then
#1023 [08:57] <gRDP2002> but
#1024 [08:57] <gRDP2002> just run it
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#1026 [08:57] <Zwirc> how :s
#1027 [08:57] <Zwirc> im so uber nuub
#1028 [08:57] <sp4rks0rz> @ gRDP2002 would it help if i took a screenshot... to show you what it looks like?
#1029 [08:57] <gRDP2002> Type znc into a terminal
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#1031 [08:58] <gRDP2002> sp4rks0rz: Is there an error?
#1032 [08:58] <GreyVulpine> sp4rks0rz - in the terminal, can you do: cat /private/etc/hosts
#1033 [08:58] <GreyVulpine> See if there's any mention of minecraft in there?
#1034 [08:58] <gRDP2002> GreyVulpine: ping would fail
#1035 [08:58] <GreyVulpine> Just to double check
#1036 [08:59] <GreyVulpine> Because if it's not that, it's a security software issue..
#1037 [08:59] <sp4rks0rz> says theres no such file or directory?
#1038 [08:59] <GreyVulpine> erm
#1039 [08:59] <gRDP2002> Does mac even have antivirus?
#1040 [08:59] <GreyVulpine> Some do
#1041 [08:59] <GreyVulpine> try: cat /etc/hosts
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#1043 [09:01] <sp4rks0rz> said the same again
#1044 [09:01] <gRDP2002> try this:
#1045 [09:01] <GreyVulpine> Huh, um..
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#1047 [09:01] <gRDP2002> ls /etc | grep host
#1048 [09:02] <gRDP2002> If it's long, pastebin it
#1049 [09:02] * Tails_155[^w^] [Tails_155[^w^]@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#1050 [09:03] <sp4rks0rz> erm.... is that LS / etc | grp host
#1051 [09:03] <sp4rks0rz> it is ls at the start?
#1052 [09:03] <gRDP2002> LS in lowercase
#1053 [09:03] <sp4rks0rz> okay
#1054 [09:03] <gRDP2002> and no soace between / and etc
#1055 [09:03] <gRDP2002> space
#1056 [09:04] <sp4rks0rz> nthing found..
#1057 [09:04] <sp4rks0rz> *nothing
#1058 [09:04] <gRDP2002> ?? ,ac/hosts
#1059 [09:04] <gRDP2002> gah
#1060 [09:04] <gRDP2002> ??mac/hosts
#1061 [09:04] * gRDP2002 facedesks
#1061 [09:05] <gRDP2002> ?? mac/hosts
#1062 [09:05] * gRDP2002 facedesks agaib
#1062 [09:05] <Urkel> xD
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#1064 [09:05] * gRDP2002 does some coding instead
#1064 [09:05] <sp4rks0rz> command not found ?
#1065 [09:06] <sp4rks0rz> ill give you a link to a screenshot of what the screen looks like when i open the app
#1066 [09:06] <gRDP2002> GreyVulpine: Well, that's about as far as my mac knowledge goes
#1067 [09:07] * Tails_155[^w^] [Tails_155[^w^]@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#1068 [09:08] <sp4rks0rz> erm... gRDP - this comes up on the top of my minecraft screen, the page that tells you the updates and everything -
#1069 [09:08] <sp4rks0rz> body { font-family: sans-serif; background-color: #222222; background-image: url('http://www.minecraft.net/img/bg.gif'); color: #e0d0d0; } a { color: #aaaaff; } hr { border: 0; color: #111111; background-color: #111111; height: 2px; } h3 { color: #ffffff; font-size: 16px; } img { border:0; margin:0; } .sidebar { padding:10px; vertical-align: top; } >
#1070 [09:09] <gRDP2002> lolwut
#1071 [09:09] <gRDP2002> You're getting HTML
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#1073 [09:09] <sp4rks0rz> yeah...
#1074 [09:09] <Crisis> Any forum moderators around?
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#1076 [09:10] <GreyVulpine> Crisis - You'll want #minecraftforums
#1077 [09:10] <Morrolan> Crisis: Might want to hop into #Minecraftforums.
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#1080 [09:10] <sp4rks0rz> any ideas?
#1081 [09:10] <gRDP2002> Nope
#1082 [09:10] <gRDP2002> Sounds like a Notch fail
#1083 [09:10] <sp4rks0rz> hmmmm...
#1084 [09:11] <GreyVulpine> weird..
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#1086 [09:11] <gRDP2002> Pointerspointerspointersaaaaaargh
#1087 [09:11] <GreyVulpine> Can you hit up this address in your browser:
#1088 [09:11] <GreyVulpine> http://mcupdate.tumblr.com/
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#1090 [09:11] <gRDP2002> ~title
#1091 [09:11] <GreyVulpine> Tell me if it's giving you the same thing?
#1092 [09:11] <gRDP2002> oh, bot is muted again
#1093 [09:11] * gRDP2002 slaps xales around a bit with a large trout.
#1093 [09:11] <GreyVulpine> Oy
#1094 [09:12] <sp4rks0rz> it isnt the same...
#1095 [09:12] <sp4rks0rz> no coding at the top
#1096 [09:12] <gRDP2002> thanks
#1097 [09:12] * GreyVulpine blinks
#1097 [09:12] <gRDP2002> I need to make the bot notice people who +q it
#1098 [09:13] <GreyVulpine> try deleting and redownloading the client from http://www.minecraft.net/download.jsp ?
#1099 [09:13] <GreyVulpine> Also, a reinstall might also be in order
#1100 [09:13] <sp4rks0rz> ive tried redownloading the mac version..
#1101 [09:13] <GreyVulpine> (of minecraft)
#1102 [09:16] <sp4rks0rz> here is the screenshot.. of what happens when i open the minecraft app off my desktop - http://www.pasteall.org/pic/11449
#1103 [09:16] * mib_d4s8np [mib_d4s8np@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#1104 [09:16] <mib_d4s8np> hello
#1105 [09:16] <sp4rks0rz> does that explain anything better?
#1106 [09:17] <GreyVulpine> Hmm...
#1107 [09:17] <gRDP2002> sp4rks0rz: Nothing wrong with that
#1108 [09:17] <GreyVulpine> Except the colors are screwed up, there's no background where there should be..
#1109 [09:17] <mib_d4s8np> may please ask for assistance
#1110 [09:17] <GreyVulpine> mib_d4s8np - Just ask away
#1111 [09:17] <sp4rks0rz> ill take a screenshot of what happens after i log in
#1112 [09:17] <mib_d4s8np> sweet
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#1115 [09:18] <mib_d4s8np> whenever i try to connect to my friends server it says Connection refused: Connect , i was wondering, what do i do?
#1116 [09:18] <gRDP2002> Port not forwarded or wrong port
#1117 [09:18] <GreyVulpine> mib_d4s8np - Means that your friend hasn't set up his server correctly.
#1118 [09:19] <mib_d4s8np> oh so its a problem on there end, not mine?
#1119 [09:19] <sp4rks0rz> here is what happens after i log in - http://www.pasteall.org/pic/11450
#1120 [09:19] * GreyVulpine nods
#1120 [09:20] <GreyVulpine> sp4rks0rz - Could you go back to your terminal, and type in: java -version
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#1122 [09:20] <mib_d4s8np> so i asume, having patience while they fix the problem is in order then.
#1123 [09:20] <GreyVulpine> mib_d4s8np - Yes.
#1124 [09:20] <sp4rks0rz> 1.4.2_09
#1125 [09:20] * GreyVulpine blinks
#1125 [09:20] <mib_d4s8np> thanks so much for the help, i appreciate your help
#1126 [09:21] <GreyVulpine> sp4rks0rz - Any way you can update java through mac's software center?
#1127 [09:21] <GreyVulpine> That's quite an old version
#1128 [09:21] <sp4rks0rz> erm...
#1129 [09:21] <sp4rks0rz> couldnt i download java from the java website?
#1130 [09:22] <gRDP2002> Yes..
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#1132 [09:22] <GreyVulpine> Usually mac has its own java updater
#1133 [09:23] <sp4rks0rz> im in the software updater justnow...
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#1135 [09:24] <sp4rks0rz> i dont see an uprade for java...
#1136 [09:25] <gRDP2002> http://java.com
#1137 [09:27] * GreyVulpine blinks
#1137 [09:27] <gRDP2002> >.>
#1138 [09:27] * GreyVulpine blames gRDP2002.
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#1139 [09:27] <gRDP2002> Java update kills browsers
#1140 [09:27] * gRDP2002 shrugs
#1140 [09:27] <GreyVulpine> Meh
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#1143 [09:30] <sp4rks0rz> im back..
#1144 [09:30] <sp4rks0rz> it doesnt have an option for me to upgrade my java
#1145 [09:30] <GreyVulpine> Huh.. um
#1146 [09:32] <sp4rks0rz> urgh... i dont know what to do...
#1147 [09:33] <GreyVulpine> sp4rks0rz - Are you sure you have no software updates to do in mac's software center?
#1148 [09:34] * mib_mcunqg [mib_mcunqg@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#1149 [09:34] <sp4rks0rz> im not sure... im on the minecraft software website...
#1150 [09:35] <mib_mcunqg> .
#1151 [09:35] <gRDP2002> java.com
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#1153 [09:35] <gRDP2002> update java from there
#1154 [09:35] <sp4rks0rz> it say on java i need to go to software update to update java on a mac.. so im checking it again
#1155 [09:36] <sp4rks0rz> ah ha! i found it
#1156 [09:37] <mib_mcunqg> what does it mean when i constantly get the message "unknown host 'ip address', to ever server i try to connect too?
#1157 [09:37] <mib_mcunqg> besides the obvious
#1158 [09:37] <GreyVulpine> mib_mcunqg - are you typing in the ip address correctly
#1159 [09:37] <gRDP2002> DNS fail or firewall
#1160 [09:37] <mib_mcunqg> copy/paste
#1161 [09:37] <GreyVulpine> Each octet is a value between 0 and 254
#1162 [09:37] <sp4rks0rz> by the way - gRDP2002 and GreyVulpine - thanks so much for this :) .. i know its not easy dealing with a 'noob' ;)
#1163 [09:38] <GreyVulpine> sp4rks0rz - Hey, no worries. I don't think either of us are too experienced with MacOSX
#1164 [09:38] <mib_mcunqg> i copy the address correctly and paste it in mincraft
#1165 [09:38] <GreyVulpine> What's the address?
#1166 [09:39] <mib_mcunqg> 50.22.17.105
#1167 [09:39] <GreyVulpine> !check 50.22.17.105
#1168 [09:40] <GreyVulpine> Hmm.
#1169 [09:40] <GreyVulpine> mib_mcunqg - Could you try connecting to smp.shadow-craft.net
#1170 [09:40] <Zw> !check mc.zwirc.com
#1171 [09:40] <TheNytangel> !check
#1172 [09:40] <TheNytangel> 64.34.163.12:25765
#1173 [09:40] <mib_mcunqg> sure thing
#1174 [09:40] <TheNytangel> oops
#1175 [09:40] <TheNytangel> !check 64.34.163.12:25765
#1176 [09:41] <mib_mcunqg> failed to login: bad login
#1177 [09:41] <GreyVulpine> mib_mcunqg - What's your minecraft username?
#1178 [09:42] <mib_mcunqg> latebras
#1179 [09:43] <GreyVulpine> mib_mcunqg - Hmm, could you try reinstalling minecraft?
#1180 [09:43] <mib_mcunqg> oh before i forget, happy easter folks
#1181 [09:43] <mib_mcunqg> i attempted to delete minecraft and stuff
#1182 [09:44] <GreyVulpine> What operating system are you on mib_mcunqg?
#1183 [09:44] <mib_mcunqg> vista
#1184 [09:44] <GreyVulpine> ??> mib_mcunqg win/reinst
#1185 [09:44] <VoxelHead> mib_mcunqg: (win/reinst) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#1186 [09:44] <VoxelHead> mib_mcunqg: (win/reinst) To do so, press your Windows+R keys, type in %AppData% at the run command, and press Enter. In the window that appears, open the .minecraft directory, and delete the bin directory that you see therein. Then, try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
#1187 [09:45] <mib_mcunqg> i've never been there
#1188 [09:46] <mib_mcunqg> im worried i'll mess crap up
#1189 [09:46] <mib_mcunqg> where exactly are the windows R keys?
#1190 [09:46] <TheNytangel> windows is between ctrl and alt
#1191 [09:46] <Dark_Fox> Well, the windows key is the one that looks like a flag
#1192 [09:46] <Dark_Fox> And the R key is between "E" and "T" on a US keyboard
#1193 [09:47] <TheNytangel> ^
#1194 [09:47] <Dark_Fox> [Sometimes it's sandwiched between the Fn key, too. Especially on laptops]
#1195 [09:48] <mib_mcunqg> i found it, im working with it now, brb
#1196 [09:48] <TheNytangel> thats what she said
#1197 [09:48] <sp4rks0rz> GreyVulpine - should i keep updating the java till there isnt any more updates..?
#1198 [09:49] <SlashLife^m> That can take some time.
#1199 [09:50] <SlashLife^m> My Java keeps on telling me there are updates - then fails to download the update.
#1200 [09:50] <SlashLife^m> As soon as it failed, it merrily tells me that there are updates.
#1201 [09:51] <gRDP2002> Yup
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#1203 [09:51] <TheNytangel`> meh
#1204 [09:51] <gRDP2002> That's how it works :P
#1205 [09:51] <Dark_Fox> SlashLife^m: Have you tried reinstalling Java?
#1206 [09:52] <mib_mcunqg> i connected to the server smp.shadow-craft.net
#1207 [09:52] <mib_mcunqg> worked like a charm.
#1208 [09:52] <SlashLife^m> I'll soon be reinstalling the whole OS and MC runs with the installed version - so no. :)
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#1210 [09:53] <sp4rks0rz680> YES!
#1211 [09:54] <sp4rks0rz680> guys...... THANK YOU SO MUCH! <3
#1212 [09:54] <mib_mcunqg> hey grey, can you please check a ip for me? to see why i can't connect?
#1213 [09:54] <sp4rks0rz680> it works! :)
#1214 [09:54] <gRDP2002> Whats the IP?
#1215 [09:54] <GreyVulpine> sp4rks0rz680 - Good to hear
#1216 [09:54] <mib_mcunqg> newpoint.no-ip.biz
#1217 [09:54] <gRDP2002> !check newpoint.no-ip.biz
#1218 [09:55] <gRDP2002> Checked. :P
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#1221 [09:55] <mib_mcunqg> whats wrong with the server?
#1222 [09:55] <gRDP2002> Is it the connection refused one?
#1223 [09:56] <mib_mcunqg> yea
#1224 [09:56] <gRDP2002> It's the host's problem
#1225 [09:57] <mib_mcunqg> ah ok, thanks for the check
#1226 [09:57] <mib_mcunqg> and thank you grey for all the help
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#1228 [09:57] <Stronglime> Hello?
#1229 [09:58] <Stronglime> I need some help guys.
#1230 [09:58] <GreyVulpine> With?
#1231 [09:58] <Stronglime> I lag heavyly on every server,but whit the other pc [same shared connection] works fine
#1232 [09:58] <Stronglime> I mean..so heavy that i cant even move or mine a grass block
#1233 [09:59] <Stronglime> Oh,in classic works perfectly.
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#1236 [10:02] <GreyVulpine> Stronglime - PC's specs?
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#1238 [10:06] <Stronglime> Well it worked before
#1239 [10:06] <Stronglime> A windows XP
#1240 [10:06] <Stronglime> Workin quite fine
#1241 [10:06] <Stronglime> then suddently,lag.
#1242 [10:07] <GreyVulpine> Minecraft has gone through quite a few major feature additions in the last few revisions.
#1243 [10:08] <GreyVulpine> New chunk format and smooth lighting in 1.3, new achievement system in 1.4, new opengl rendering option in 1.5
#1244 [10:08] <GreyVulpine> Increases the load each time.
#1245 [10:09] <GreyVulpine> Could you tell us what kind of system it is? What's its CPU, how much RAM does it have, what kind of video card does it run?
#1246 [10:10] <Stronglime> Well
#1247 [10:10] <Stronglime> It is quite old
#1248 [10:11] <Stronglime> now i'll check one second
#1249 [10:11] <Dark_Fox> Depleated uranium bullets, sparkling in my mind; I greet thee with open arms.
#1250 [10:11] <Stronglime> nvidia gforce 7025
#1251 [10:12] <Stronglime> A 1,91 GHz processor
#1252 [10:12] <Stronglime> Sampron AMD
#1253 [10:12] <Stronglime> 1,75 GB of ram
#1254 [10:12] <Stronglime> windows XP service pack 3
#1255 [10:12] <Stronglime> that's it
#1256 [10:13] <GreyVulpine> Have you tried turning down the graphics inside minecraft? Turning off smooth lighting, changing the quality from fancy to fast?
#1257 [10:13] <GreyVulpine> Turning up fog?
#1258 [10:13] <Stronglime> Aehm..
#1259 [10:13] <Stronglime> The massive lag is only online
#1260 [10:13] <Stronglime> forgot to say
#1261 [10:13] * Stronglime Epic fail
#1261 [10:14] <Stronglime> I cant even mine a single block.
#1262 [10:14] <Stronglime> But on mah pc whit same connection [the other is even wireless!] works
#1263 [10:14] <_303> are you using client mods?
#1264 [10:14] <Stronglime> no mods
#1265 [10:14] <Stronglime> as it started suddently
#1266 [10:15] <Dark_Fox> Stronglime: Are you running other programs while running Minecraft?
#1267 [10:16] <Dark_Fox> Any other torrents or downloads or the like
#1268 [10:16] <Stronglime> no
#1269 [10:16] <Stronglime> I sayd the lag is in any server
#1270 [10:16] <Stronglime> even lan
#1271 [10:17] <Stronglime> well..lan i didint test
#1272 [10:17] <Stronglime> actually
#1273 [10:20] <Dark_Fox> Oh joy; is it time for more testing?
#1274 [10:21] <Stronglime> Im currently donwloading portal 2 from steam.Uh uh uh
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#1276 [10:21] <Dark_Fox> I already beat it
#1277 [10:21] <Dark_Fox> Co-op and single player
#1278 [10:21] <Stronglime> Satified?
#1279 [10:21] <GreyVulpine> Gotten all the achievements?
#1280 [10:22] <Stronglime> 79,5% argh..so much time
#1281 [10:22] <Stronglime> Srsly,about my problem,anyone can help? <3
#1282 [10:22] <Dark_Fox> Not sure how many I've got
#1283 [10:22] <Dark_Fox> Since PSN is down I can't get my STEAM copy
#1284 [10:23] <Stronglime> Actually im donwloading it not from steam
#1285 [10:23] <Stronglime> *Cough*
#1286 [10:23] <Stronglime> and i have a psn key,but is down so..
#1287 [10:23] <Stronglime> odd
#1288 [10:23] <Dark_Fox> So you're basically ripping off a company that spent the extra time and effort to make a game that doesn't suck ass?
#1289 [10:23] <Dark_Fox> Good show
#1290 [10:24] <Stronglime> I repeat
#1291 [10:24] <Stronglime> i have a key
#1292 [10:24] <Stronglime> but cant activa it
#1293 [10:24] <Stronglime> So yeah..tecnically..
#1294 [10:24] <Dark_Fox> Technically you're still ripping them off
#1295 [10:24] <Stronglime> If you say so
#1296 [10:25] <wheybags> Dark_Fox: except not really
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#1299 [10:36] <wheybags> i asked this yesterday and noone knew, but...
#1300 [10:36] <Broam> morning folks
#1301 [10:36] <wheybags> does anyone know how i can script server commands
#1302 [10:36] <wheybags> in linux
#1303 [10:36] <wheybags> as in, i want to do
#1304 [10:36] <wheybags> save-all, save-off, backup, save-on
#1305 [10:36] <wheybags> can this be scripted?
#1306 [10:37] <Broam> wheybags: I'm going to say yes (because I have a friend who runs a server who does stuff like this) but I'm not sure exactly how. I think he has cron call a perl script and that somehow interacts with the server
#1307 [10:38] <wheybags> I need to know how! ;_;
#1308 [10:38] <Broam> that I don't know - but that it's possible is at least half the battle
#1309 [10:38] <wheybags> i guess
#1310 [10:38] <wheybags> google was useless
#1311 [10:38] <wheybags> just a bunch of people doing killall java
#1312 [10:38] <wheybags> but that's kind of a shite solution
#1313 [10:40] <gRDP2002> I think you can pipe things to a screen session
#1314 [10:40] <gRDP2002> but I'm not sure how you'd get a \n in
#1315 [10:41] <GreyVulpine> Oh, auto backup script?
#1316 [10:41] <GreyVulpine> sec, um.
#1317 [10:41] <Broam> My question - if I want a 2-player survival server, is it feasable to host it on one player's laptop, assuming it's fairly beefy?
#1318 [10:42] <GreyVulpine> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Server_startup_script
#1319 [10:42] <gRDP2002> http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?t=82918&f=10
#1320 [10:42] <GreyVulpine> Take a look at that
#1321 [10:42] <gRDP2002> ~title
#1322 [10:42] <McPlusPlus> "[Linux] Using cron, screen, and python for Automation - Minecraft Forums" (http://is.gd/tuFvYr)
#1323 [10:42] <gRDP2002> oh, ok
#1324 [10:42] <gRDP2002> lol
#1325 [10:42] <GreyVulpine> Broam - Sure
#1326 [10:42] <Broam> GreyVulpine: all I needed to know, assuming we can punch holes in firewalls. Thanks
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#1328 [10:44] <gRDP2002> Make sure the host has a good upload speed
#1329 [10:44] <gRDP2002> that's important, Broam
#1330 [10:44] <Broam> gRDP2002: ok.
#1331 [10:44] <gRDP2002> speedtest.net will tell you that.
#1332 [10:45] <wheybags> GreyVulpine: THANK YOU
#1333 [10:45] <wheybags> didn't know you could send commands to a screen session
#1334 [10:45] <wheybags> i'm already running it in screen anyway :D
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#1336 [10:51] <BigMike> hey guys, im having a server issue
#1337 [10:51] <BigMike> hopefully an easy one
#1338 [10:52] <BigMike> i can get my server up and running no problem, outside accessible, however no matter what, i can't place or destroy bricks
#1339 [10:52] <Broam> BigMike: that's usually CPU lag or network lag
#1340 [10:52] <BigMike> my cpu is fine
#1341 [10:53] <BigMike> how would i check if its network
#1342 [10:53] <Broam> are you playing on the same box your server's running from?
#1343 [10:53] <BigMike> negative
#1344 [10:55] <GreyVulpine> BigMike - Have you traveled away from spawn?
#1345 [10:56] <BigMike> yeah, and that shouldn't matter if im op'd anyway right?
#1346 [10:56] <BigMike> i played on the machine im hosting from using localhost
#1347 [10:56] <BigMike> and it works fine
#1348 [10:58] <BigMike> so does this just mean im incapable of running a server?
#1349 [10:59] <BigMike> could it be because im on the same network as the host going out and then coming back in at my external ip?
#1350 [10:59] <GreyVulpine> From what other computer are you connecting from? Is it on the same network?
#1351 [11:00] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, that shouldn't be an issue.
#1352 [11:01] <GreyVulpine> Does the computer that's connecting to the server, have any lag issues connecting to other MC servers?
#1353 [11:01] <BigMike> ive only played on a server once, and it seemed to work fine
#1354 [11:03] <GreyVulpine> Running any sort of security software, or antivirus software that may be running in the background?
#1355 [11:03] <BigMike> both the host and the client are running microsoft security essentials
#1356 [11:03] <GreyVulpine> Any processes on the server that may be taking up some network bandwidth?
#1357 [11:04] <BigMike> no processes
#1358 [11:04] <GreyVulpine> Are you running all wired connections here?
#1359 [11:04] <BigMike> nope, im running wireless g at perfect signal
#1360 [11:05] <GreyVulpine> What operating system(s) are you running?
#1361 [11:05] <BigMike> 7 on both, i can run the server from linux if need be, the host is dual booting ubuntu and 7
#1362 [11:06] <GreyVulpine> Could you hit up the task manager on the server, check the networking tab there, make sure the network isn't saturated with anything
#1363 [11:07] <BigMike> network utilization is hitting 1% tops right now
#1364 [11:07] <GreyVulpine> Could you connect with the client, check the same thing?
#1365 [11:07] <GreyVulpine> On both computers.
#1366 [11:08] <wheybags> dude, try it in linux
#1367 [11:08] <wheybags> for a server, linux makes 10x more sense, anyway
#1368 [11:09] <GreyVulpine> Nothing stopping him from running a windows box server anyways.
#1369 [11:09] <BigMike> im trying to connect with my laptop, its giving me shit cause i was still logged in on the host
#1370 [11:10] <wheybags> yeah, but if windows is giving problems, that's just another reason to try linux
#1371 [11:10] <wheybags> it should just dc the other one and log you in
#1372 [11:10] <BigMike> im getting 5-10 util on client, 1-5 util on host
#1373 [11:11] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, that's nothing.
#1374 [11:11] <BigMike> im gonna restart in linux i suppose, ill be back in a min
#1375 [11:11] <GreyVulpine> On the client, could you connect to smp.shadow-craft.net
#1376 [11:11] <GreyVulpine> Make sure there's no lag there.
#1377 [11:12] <BigMike> lemmie try
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#1380 [11:15] <BigMike> i can't destroy or build on there
#1381 [11:16] <GreyVulpine> Sec.. you may be near spawn, or in a protected area..
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#1383 [11:18] <BigMike> im pretty far out now
#1384 [11:19] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, blocks away from spawn should be destructable
#1385 [11:19] <GreyVulpine> If it isn't.. something's up with your client
#1386 [11:19] <BigMike> im trying on my host box now
#1387 [11:20] <BigMike> huh, it works fine on my host box
#1388 [11:20] <GreyVulpine> Hmm
#1389 [11:21] <BigMike> well my laptops cpu only goes up to about half usage while im playing
#1390 [11:21] <GreyVulpine> First guess would be some sort of weird firewall issue... but I haven't heard of any that lets you into a minecraft server, but doesn't let you destroy blocks
#1391 [11:22] <BigMike> well its a core i5 laptop running at 2.83 ghz, 4 gb ram
#1392 [11:22] <BigMike> i can play single player fine
#1393 [11:22] <BigMike> just not multiplayer
#1394 [11:22] <GreyVulpine> That should be plenty of juice for minecraft
#1395 [11:22] <BigMike> well, i guess ill go screw with windows firewall
#1396 [11:23] <GreyVulpine> BigMike - laptop is using wireless?
#1397 [11:23] <GreyVulpine> Try with an ethernet cord
#1398 [11:23] <BigMike> router is in another room brb
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#1401 [11:29] <bigmike_laptop> hey grey
#1402 [11:29] <bigmike_laptop> its not working hardlined either, do i need to open up 25565 to my laptop as well?
#1403 [11:30] <Broam> my brother in law is wrestling with verizon over this very issue :(
#1404 [11:30] <bigmike_laptop> see, my host box is working fine, with any server, this one just will not
#1405 [11:32] <bigmike_laptop> should i try running the client on linux?
#1406 [11:32] <frodo> yay Linux
#1407 [11:33] <bigmike_laptop> ha, i got ubuntu running on the host
#1408 [11:33] <GreyVulpine> BigMike - I don't know, you only need to open ports if you want to host a server for minecraft
#1409 [11:33] <GreyVulpine> Shouldn't need to if you just want to play
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#1411 [11:33] <bigmike_laptop> i figured, but thats the only difference i can tell between the machines
#1412 [11:33] <GreyVulpine> Could you try reinstalling minecraft on the laptop?
#1413 [11:33] <GreyVulpine> ?? win/reinst
#1414 [11:33] <VoxelHead> win/reinst: You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#1415 [11:33] <VoxelHead> win/reinst: To do so, press your Windows+R keys, type in %AppData% at the run command, and press Enter. In the window that appears, open the .minecraft directory, and delete the bin directory that you see therein. Then, try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
#1416 [11:34] <GreyVulpine> Heck, just nuke the .minecraft directory, it'll redownload it next time you log in
#1417 [11:34] <GreyVulpine> Be sure to save the "saves" folder inside
#1418 [11:34] <bigmike_laptop> ok, i have all my saves backed up already
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#1420 [11:35] <bigmike_laptop> moment of truth yall
#1421 [11:36] <bigmike_laptop> the fuck... it works fine now...
#1422 [11:36] <GreyVulpine> Hah
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#1425 [11:38] <bigmike_laptop> and it seems to running at a better framerate
#1426 [11:38] <GreyVulpine> Could you try connecting to your server now?
#1427 [11:40] <BigMike> yeah im on it
#1428 [11:41] <bigmike_laptop> thats somewhat frustrating
#1429 [11:41] <BigMike> oh well, thank you very much for all the help
#1430 [11:41] <GreyVulpine> Glad you got it figured out
#1431 [11:42] <BigMike> now, is there anyway i can get my guy to fly
#1432 [11:42] <BigMike> in multiplayer
#1433 [11:43] <GreyVulpine> With a fly-mod, yes
#1434 [11:43] <GreyVulpine> You will also need to edit server.properties on your server to turn on the allow-flight flag
#1435 [11:43] <GreyVulpine> Fly mod is here:
#1436 [11:43] <GreyVulpine> http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=96815
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#1438 [11:46] <BigMike> once i download it, use mod manager?
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#1440 [11:49] <GreyVulpine> Sorry, I haven't used it myself.
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#1442 [11:59] <BigMike> well i installed it following the guide, and it didnt work, so that will be something for another time, but thanks
#1443 [12:00] * GreyVulpine nods
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#1447 [12:07] <smugninja> ok so im tryin to change my 1.4_01 server to 1.5_01 and im trying to move my world folder into my saves folder with my singleplayer worlds, and it says i need permission, and i of course am my own admin so i enter my password and it still says access denied?
#1448 [12:08] <smugninja> HELP
#1449 [12:08] <GreyVulpine> What operating system? What's the exact error message?
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#1451 [12:10] <smugninja> windows vista
#1452 [12:10] <smugninja> hold on
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#1454 [12:11] <smugninja> "You'll need administrator permission for to move this file"
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#1456 [12:12] <jason> Hi, I am having problem with mine craft redstone logic. For some reason they seem to not work after awhile. For example: I used 10 NOT gates in series and in closed loop to generate a clocking pulse. After about 10 pulses some of the NOT gates seize to function rendering the circuit completely useless. I am unsure as to why its doing this and could not find others with the same issue on wiki or google. Can someone shade some light on this? (This is
#1457 [12:12] <jason> sue applies to al my logic circuits, i was just using NOT gates as an example)
#1458 [12:12] <smugninja> i enter my password and it says "You need permission to move this file" and it says try again and i click it and it never works
#1459 [12:12] <smugninja> Vulpine can u help me
#1460 [12:13] <smugninja> GreyVulpine: HELP
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#1462 [12:15] <squiggy> what is the class file for the zombie creeper and skelington
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#1467 [12:20] <squiggy> can someone help please
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#1470 [12:23] <Morrolan> Squiggy: For questions with modding you might want to hop over to #risucraft
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#1472 [12:29] <smugninja> hey morrolan can u help me out with my prob?
#1473 [12:29] * VoxelHead puts on baseball cap
#1473 [12:29] <VoxelHead> Important meeting today, got to look my best =)
#1474 [12:29] <smugninja> yo vox can u help me with my proB?
#1475 [12:30] <Morrolan> He's a bot.
#1476 [12:30] <smugninja> i posted up in the chat so if u could read it and help that would be awesome
#1477 [12:30] <smugninja> dont care
#1478 [12:30] <Morrolan> smugninja: So you're trying to move your save but it doesn't let you?
#1479 [12:30] <smugninja> ya
#1480 [12:30] <Morrolan> I assume neither the server nor Minecraft is running?
#1481 [12:30] <smugninja> nope
#1482 [12:31] <Morrolan> Did you already restart your PC?
#1483 [12:31] <Morrolan> If not then this might be worth a shot, helps fixing permission problems most of the time.
#1484 [12:31] <smugninja> no i actualy just figured it out, i was placing it in a file that wasnt compatible with a different file type, so i changed the type, and it worked
#1485 [12:32] <Morrolan> Oh, nice. :)
#1486 [12:32] <smugninja> woot
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#1488 [12:37] <Jackson413> anyone use minecraft overviewer here
#1489 [12:37] <Jackson413> i have successfully used it several time
#1490 [12:37] <Jackson413> times
#1491 [12:37] <Jackson413> and now it doesnt like me
#1492 [12:38] <Jackson413> i updated it thinking it didnt work because of that
#1493 [12:38] <Jackson413> still nothing
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#1495 [12:40] <Jackson413> anyone
#1496 [12:40] <Jackson413> i really could use some help
#1497 [12:41] <g> bokaholic! Are joo hear?
#1498 [12:41] <g> Jackson413: Just ask/.
#1499 [12:41] <orangepeelnommer> hey im trying to get my server to work and im wondering why whenever i try to get on, it says connection lost end of stream?
#1500 [12:41] <g> orangepeelnommer: Update your server and copy of MC
#1501 [12:41] <orangepeelnommer> i did
#1502 [12:41] <g> (And java)
#1503 [12:42] <orangepeelnommer> how?
#1504 [12:42] <g> By running the updater
#1505 [12:43] <orangepeelnommer> where?
#1506 [12:43] <Jackson413> i already did
#1507 [12:43] <Jackson413> i am wondering if anyone uses minecraft overviewer
#1508 [12:43] <orangepeelnommer> i dont have it on my cpu
#1509 [12:43] <orangepeelnommer> nope
#1510 [12:43] <Jackson413> i have successfully done so a couple of times
#1511 [12:44] <Jackson413> now that basterd is acting up
#1512 [12:44] <Jackson413> and i have no clue why
#1513 [12:44] <orangepeelnommer> who?
#1514 [12:44] <orangepeelnommer> yo g help
#1515 [12:44] <orangepeelnommer> me and jackson
#1516 [12:44] <g> Sorry, really busy right now
#1517 [12:44] <VoxelHead> Orangepeelnommer: jackson and me.
#1518 [12:44] * g pokres GreyVulpine
#1518 [12:44] <orangepeelnommer> 'cool
#1519 [12:44] <g> vox, shut up
#1520 [12:44] <Jackson413> ?
#1521 [12:44] <orangepeelnommer> dont care
#1522 [12:44] <VoxelHead> :(
#1523 [12:44] <Jackson413> trolololol
#1524 [12:45] <orangepeelnommer> dont care about vox
#1525 [12:45] <GreyVulpine> Ow, what? I'm preoccupied
#1526 [12:45] <g> Oh, sorry
#1527 [12:45] <g> So am I, but people need help
#1528 [12:45] <GreyVulpine> Bleh.
#1529 [12:45] * g looks for someone who isn't preoccupied
#1529 [12:45] <orangepeelnommer> hey vulp
#1530 [12:45] * g pokes Kealper
#1530 [12:45] <orangepeelnommer> remember me?
#1531 [12:45] <GreyVulpine> Sorry, no I don't.
#1532 [12:46] <g> orangepeelnommer: We see around 300 people go through here per day
#1533 [12:46] <orangepeelnommer> aka smugninja/ robesanchez
#1534 [12:46] <orangepeelnommer> i now
#1535 [12:46] <orangepeelnommer> i know
#1536 [12:46] <orangepeelnommer> but i was on about 10 minutes ago
#1537 [12:46] <orangepeelnommer> as my alias
#1538 [12:46] <orangepeelnommer> s
#1539 [12:46] <orangepeelnommer> anyone?
#1540 [12:46] <Zw> How do i give my user on my dedicated server permission to start the server?
#1541 [12:47] <g> Zw: You'd need to ask your host that
#1542 [12:47] <Zw> hum=
#1543 [12:47] <Zw> i can from root
#1544 [12:47] <Zw> but want to start it from the user "minecraft"
#1545 [12:47] <Zw> but then I only get errors
#1546 [12:47] <orangepeelnommer> wait g/vulp can either of u answer my question?
#1547 [12:47] <g> Not without wasting a lot of time, sorry
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#1549 [12:48] <GreyVulpine> orangepeelnommer - Why it gives an end of stream error? Check your server version, make absolutely sure you updated it to 1.5_02
#1550 [12:48] <g> Wait for someone who isn't too busy, m'kay?
#1551 [12:48] <GreyVulpine> Double check the startup output, the first line that you get for the server, should give you the version number
#1552 [12:48] <orangepeelnommer> i use a hamachi server and i dont know how to update it
#1553 [12:48] <GreyVulpine> Then you didn't update the server?
#1554 [12:48] <orangepeelnommer> no but HOW
#1555 [12:49] <NotiCon> redownload the server app
#1556 [12:49] <GreyVulpine> [12:41.51pm] <g> orangepeelnommer: Update your server and copy of MC
#1557 [12:49] <GreyVulpine> [12:41.56pm] <orangepeelnommer> i did
#1558 [12:49] <orangepeelnommer> i owe u guys so much
#1559 [12:49] <orangepeelnommer> i updated mc but not my server
#1560 [12:49] <GreyVulpine> Replace the server.exe with a new copy from minecraft.net
#1561 [12:49] <orangepeelnommer> ok
#1562 [12:49] <orangepeelnommer> woot
#1563 [12:49] <orangepeelnommer> SUCCESS
#1564 [12:49] <GreyVulpine> http://www.minecraft.net/download.jsp
#1565 [12:49] <orangepeelnommer> u guys are awesome
#1566 [12:50] <orangepeelnommer> FINALLY
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#1568 [12:52] <orangepeelnommer> i feel bad for u guys if u get idiots like me everyday
#1569 [12:54] <Zw> What permission sould i give my "minecraft" user on my dedicated server? I tried to only give him folder permission, but then i got this update error when starting the server (trying to download files from internett)
#1570 [12:54] <squiggy> i neede help
#1571 [12:54] <squiggy> plzzzz
#1572 [12:54] <Zw> squiggy: with whaT?
#1573 [12:55] <squiggy> i need to know what class file the zombie the skelington and creeper are so i can remove them
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#1575 [12:56] <squiggy> i want to have a more realistic feel so i dont have to worry bout creepers but still not recenarate health sorry bout my spelling
#1576 [12:57] <squiggy> can someone help please
#1577 [12:58] <GreyVulpine> Zw - What error? Could you pastebin it?
#1578 [12:58] <Kealper> g: rawr?
#1579 [12:58] <g> Kealper: Guess what
#1580 [12:59] <Kealper> rawr?
#1581 [12:59] <Kealper> lol
#1582 [12:59] <g> You know what I want to be, Kealper?
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#1584 [12:59] <gTestBot> I wanna be the very best, like no-one ever was...
#1585 [12:59] <g> ^
#1586 [12:59] <g> :P
#1587 [12:59] <Kealper> useless lol
#1588 [12:59] <g> lol
#1589 [12:59] <g> I know
#1590 [12:59] <g> I'm writing a bot in C++ now
#1591 [13:00] <squiggy> does anyone know how to remove creapers without going on peacfull
#1592 [13:00] <Kealper> \o/
#1593 [13:00] <g> So it'll be a hell of a lot faster
#1594 [13:00] <Kealper> squiggy: can't without a mod
#1595 [13:00] <g> And I was wondering
#1596 [13:00] <g> if you wanted in? :P
#1597 [13:00] <Kealper> make it send a quit :/
#1598 [13:00] <Aconitin> squiggy: hug em
#1599 [13:00] <g> Yeah, I will
#1600 [13:00] <squiggy> oh k thanks ill go look for a mod thank you
#1601 [13:00] <Kealper> i hardly know C++ lol, i'd be useless
#1602 [13:01] <NotiCon> i know tons of c++ D:
#1603 [13:01] <g> so? :P
#1604 [13:01] <g> Anyone who wants in can help out
#1605 [13:01] <g> But you'll need to download around 322MB of an SDK
#1606 [13:01] <g> if you want to actually dev
#1607 [13:01] <Kealper> is it's code nice and pretty? or is it like a trainwreck? lol
#1608 [13:01] <Kealper> o.o
#1609 [13:01] <g> It's not bad :P
#1610 [13:01] <Kealper> Qt? lol
#1611 [13:01] <g> Yeah
#1612 [13:02] <g> Console Qt :P
#1613 [13:02] <NotiCon> you making it in Qt?
#1614 [13:02] * g watches the channel's brains explode
#1614 [13:02] <g> Mm, I'm using Qt, yes
#1615 [13:02] <NotiCon> any reason for that?
#1616 [13:02] <g> http://pastebin.com/UDiinFAC
#1617 [13:02] <g> It's so much easier
#1618 [13:02] <g> that's why
#1619 [13:03] <g> And cross-platform
#1620 [13:03] <g> I'm devving on a windows
#1621 [13:03] <g> but
#1622 [13:03] <g> it'll be running on a nix VPS
#1623 [13:03] <g> so that's important
#1624 [13:03] * Kealper uses AutoIt, he doesn't judge others' descisions on languages
#1624 [13:03] <NotiCon> i see
#1625 [13:03] * g feels sorry for Kealper
#1625 [13:03] <Kealper> ;_;
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#1627 [13:04] <g> that's an example of the code, anyway
#1628 [13:04] <g> http://pastebin.com/UDiinFAC if you missed it
#1629 [13:04] <NotiCon> well it seems rather nice
#1630 [13:05] <g> Signals and slots, signals and slots..
#1631 [13:05] <g> :3
#1632 [13:05] <NotiCon> you made that Session class yourself or you came accross one?
#1633 [13:05] <Kealper> g: did you write your { } like that or is that default of the IDE?
#1634 [13:05] <NotiCon> signal and slots would be one of the main reasons for using Qt
#1635 [13:05] <g> I write them like I did for ~McPlusPlus()
#1636 [13:05] <Kealper> \o/
#1637 [13:06] <g> NotiCon: Yes
#1638 [13:06] <Kealper> i hate looking at the other way people do it
#1639 [13:06] <g> and the fact that it has its own types for nearly everything
#1640 [13:06] <Kealper> wastes lines, and harder to read :<
#1641 [13:06] <g> I hate the standard types
#1642 [13:07] <g> void McPlusPlus::print(QString text) { std::cout << text.toStdString() << "\n"; }
#1643 [13:07] <g> Kealper: ^ is perfectly valid too
#1644 [13:07] <Kealper> yeah, but that is....meh lol
#1645 [13:07] <g> :P
#1646 [13:07] <g> You think that's complicated?
#1647 [13:08] <g> {cout<<'{';srand(time(NULL));cout<<rand()<<';';char f[]="cout<<'{';srand(time(NULL));cout<<rand()<<';';char f[]=%c%s%c;printf(f,34,f,34,10);}%c";printf(f,34,f,34,10);}
#1648 [13:08] <g> THAT is complicated
#1649 [13:08] <g> :P
#1650 [13:08] <Kealper> lol
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#1652 [13:08] <g> That's a quine, almost
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#1654 [13:08] <g> it's a slightly randomized quine
#1655 [13:08] <g> for use with two Geordi bots
#1656 [13:08] <g> (It makes them loop forever)
#1657 [13:08] <Kealper> If $Objects[$c1][0] <= $Objects[$c2][0] + $Objects[$c2][2] And $Objects[$c1][0] + $Objects[$c1][2] >= $Objects[$c2][0] And $Objects[$c1][1] <= $Objects[$c2][1] + $Objects[$c2][3] And $Objects[$c1][1] + $Objects[$c1][3] >= $Objects[$c2][1] Then
#1658 [13:08] <Kealper> \o/
#1659 [13:09] <g> lol
#1660 [13:10] <g> [18:10] <+g> {for(;;){std::cout<<"lo";}}
#1661 [13:10] <g> [18:10] <c> lolololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololo
#1662 [13:10] <frodo> lolwut
#1663 [13:10] <g> :P
#1664 [13:10] <Kealper> lol
#1665 [13:10] <NotiCon> pretty normal
#1666 [13:11] <g> It's georgi
#1667 [13:11] <g> Geordi*
#1668 [13:11] <dekema2> ololollololollololololollolololollolololollolololololoo ololollololollololololollolololollolololollolololololoo ololollololollololololollolololollolololollolololololooololollololollololololollolololollolololollolololololoo ololollololollololololollolololollolololollolololololoo ololollololollololololollolololollolololollolololololoo
#1669 [13:11] <dekema2> ololollololollololololollolololollolololollolololololooololollololollololololollolololollolololollolololololoo
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#1671 [13:11] <g> [18:11] <+g> {cout<<'{';srand(time(NULL));cout<<rand()<<';';char f[]="cout<<'{';srand(time(NULL));cout<<rand()<<';';char f[]=%c%s%c;printf(f,34,f,34,10);}%c";printf(f,34,f,34,10);}
#1672 [13:11] <g> [18:11] <c> {1621358591;cout<<'{';srand(time(NULL));cout<<rand()<<';';char f[]="cout<<'{';srand(time(NULL));cout<<rand()<<';';char f[]=%c%s%c;printf(f,34,f,34,10);}%c";printf(f,34,f,34,10);}
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#1674 [13:11] <g> See what it does?
#1675 [13:11] * GreyVulpine stabs g with a null pointer
#1675 [13:11] <g> xD
#1676 [13:11] <g> SEGFAULT, shit
#1677 [13:11] <g> :P
#1678 [13:12] * Kealper restarts g
#1678 [13:12] <NotiCon> i hate segmantation faults :(
#1679 [13:12] <g> segfaults are the worst
#1680 [13:12] <g> next to undefined referances
#1681 [13:12] <Tetyys> I had bsod while playing minecraft. Is that ok?
#1682 [13:12] <Kealper> no bsod is ever ok
#1683 [13:12] <Tetyys> Why?
#1684 [13:13] <Kealper> drivers are up to date?
#1685 [13:13] <VoxelHead> why the hell not
#1686 [13:13] <Tetyys> No.
#1687 [13:13] <NotiCon> silly VoxelHead
#1688 [13:13] <Kealper> because if you get a bsod, it means something so serious happened that windows was unable to recover from it :/
#1689 [13:13] <Tetyys> I know.
#1690 [13:13] <Tetyys> But its fun!
#1691 [13:14] <Kealper> anyways....update your graphics and sound card drivers...those are the usual suspects when getting a bsod on a game
#1692 [13:14] <Tetyys> Ok. And i remembered that bsod wrote something about drivers
#1693 [13:16] <Tetyys> Wat do?
#1694 [13:17] <g> that's happened to me too lol
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#1696 [13:17] <scavengeriel> hello
#1697 [13:17] <Morrolan> Tetyys: Write down what it says the next time you get one.
#1698 [13:17] <Tetyys> And yesterday to man named wh
#1699 [13:17] <Morrolan> The stopcodes and the thing which failed, that is.
#1700 [13:18] <Tetyys> Ok
#1701 [13:18] <wH> what
#1702 [13:18] <Tetyys> You got bsod on minecraft right?
#1703 [13:19] <Tetyys> Yesterday
#1704 [13:19] <wH> Yes
#1705 [13:19] <wH> Turns out my graphics card has died
#1706 [13:19] <Tetyys> Oh
#1707 [13:20] <Tetyys> Then i quit minecraft
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#1709 [13:20] <Kealper> worst-case scenario: the bsod is caused by a machine check exception
#1710 [13:20] <Tetyys> I dont need slower graphics card
#1711 [13:21] <Tetyys> I have 5500 geforce
#1712 [13:21] <Tetyys> Cool huh?
#1713 [13:21] <Kealper> that's a bit old :/
#1714 [13:22] <Tetyys> A BIT.
#1715 [13:23] <Tetyys> The slowest graphics card I ever heard is 5500 GeForce
#1716 [13:24] <Wug> youve obviously never delt with integrated intel graphics before
#1717 [13:24] * Kealper still remembers his older nvidia cards
#1717 [13:24] * Tetyys k
#1717 [13:24] <Tetyys> Ye!
#1718 [13:24] * Kealper still has an nvidia riva tnt2
#1718 [13:25] <Tetyys> ?
#1719 [13:25] * bokaholic flops around.
#1719 [13:25] <Kealper> exactly
#1720 [13:25] <Kealper> lol
#1721 [13:25] <Tetyys> I never heard that
#1722 [13:25] <LordEddi> You are probably to young to remember it.
#1723 [13:25] * Tetyys noms
#1723 [13:25] <Kealper> stomped the ati rage into the ground though \o/
#1724 [13:26] * lrwerewolf remembers his 128M All-in-Wonder.
#1724 [13:26] * Wug wishes he had a 580
#1724 [13:26] <lrwerewolf> of course, I also remember my Commodore VIC20.
#1725 [13:26] <Kealper> actually...lemme go find that riva card, i can't remember how much ram it had on it
#1726 [13:26] * Tetyys plays league of legends with 6 fps.
#1726 [13:27] <lrwerewolf> Mom knew she was in trouble when my sister, 7.5 at the time, was playing plug-in card games, and me, at 3.5, was reading the instruction manual and writing programs on it. ^.^
#1727 [13:28] <Kealper> oh gosh
#1728 [13:28] <Kealper> i found it
#1729 [13:28] <Tetyys> :)
#1730 [13:28] <VoxelHead> -_-
#1731 [13:28] <Kealper> it's so old, it doesn't even have the spots to put a heatsink on the chipset
#1732 [13:28] <Tetyys> Cool
#1733 [13:29] <VoxelHead> Coooooooooooooool
#1734 [13:29] <Tetyys> Kewl
#1735 [13:29] <scavengeriel> COOL
#1736 [13:29] <scavengeriel> hahahah
#1737 [13:29] <VoxelHead> nothing can stop VoxelHead... nothing! not even this army of zombies!
#1738 [13:29] <Tetyys> Kewl
#1739 [13:29] <Tetyys> Kewl
#1740 [13:29] <Tetyys> Kewl
#1741 [13:29] <Tetyys> Kewl
#1742 [13:29] <Tetyys> Kewl!
#1743 [13:29] <Kealper> stop spamming ._.
#1744 [13:30] <Wug> you'll either get automuted or autokicked
#1745 [13:30] <Tetyys> Span rules
#1746 [13:30] * Kealper reads the wiki on this card, then gets reminded of his Voodoo3
#1746 [13:30] <Tetyys> Its tasty
#1747 [13:30] * VoxelHead reads Kealper back with an end
#1747 [13:30] <Kealper> oh Voodoo3, how well you treated me on Ghost Recon
#1748 [13:30] * Tetyys rules
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#1749 [13:31] * Tetyys remembers "Robot arena"
#1749 [13:32] <Tetyys> Who remembers Carmageddon?
#1750 [13:33] * Kealper never heard of it
#1750 [13:33] <LordEddi> <-
#1751 [13:33] <LordEddi> Awesome massacre-car game :)
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#1753 [13:33] <Tetyys> Very old... Good times...
#1754 [13:33] <Kealper> oh, that's why i don't know it
#1755 [13:34] <Kealper> car game
#1756 [13:34] <Kealper> i didn't really get in to those until NFSU2
#1757 [13:34] <LordEddi> speaking of awesome car games.
#1758 [13:34] <LordEddi> Destruction derby <3
#1759 [13:35] <Tetyys> Meh. Never hebrei
#1760 [13:35] <Tetyys> Heard*
#1761 [13:35] <LordEddi> ten cars inside an arena. Goal; Crush the other cars
#1762 [13:35] <Tetyys> Dann you t9!
#1763 [13:36] <Tetyys> Fells batman.
#1764 [13:37] * Tetyys goes to toilet
#1764 [13:39] <Kealper> tmi ftl?
#1765 [13:40] <VoxelHead> i like them ;)
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#1767 [13:41] <ALT3RNAT1V3> is anyone else unable to log into there server?
#1768 [13:41] * Tetyys is back!
#1768 [13:41] <GreyVulpine> Nope
#1769 [13:42] <ALT3RNAT1V3> hmmmm
#1770 [13:42] <orangepeelnommer> hey im back with another problem
#1771 [13:42] <orangepeelnommer> i have alot
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#1773 [13:42] <orangepeelnommer> in my server i am trying to figure out how to set my spawn point with a bad, but its not working?
#1774 [13:42] <orangepeelnommer> y?
#1775 [13:42] <Tetyys> S
#1776 [13:42] <orangepeelnommer> S?
#1777 [13:43] <orangepeelnommer> with a bed i mean
#1778 [13:43] <Kealper> uh....
#1779 [13:43] <orangepeelnommer> not bad
#1780 [13:43] <GreyVulpine> orangepeelnommer - You need to press "Leave Bed"
#1781 [13:43] <GreyVulpine> It'll set your spawn point then
#1782 [13:43] <orangepeelnommer> ok
#1783 [13:43] <Tetyys> Misspelled
#1784 [13:43] <orangepeelnommer> ill try it
#1785 [13:43] <McPlusPlus> [MojangCommunity] Nuclear Dawn (Anonymous) - Sun, 24 Apr 2011 17:39:10 +0000
#1786 [13:44] <Tetyys> Wtf?
#1787 [13:45] <Wug> on the note of beds, I was pretty sure that destroying the bed was supposed to reset the spawn
#1788 [13:45] <Kealper> yes
#1789 [13:45] <Kealper> if you destroy the bed, your spawn is reset back to the server's spawn point
#1790 [13:45] <Wug> but mine won't reset in a certain smp server
#1791 [13:45] <Kealper> O.o
#1792 [13:46] <g> blargh
#1793 [13:46] <Kealper> weird
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#1795 [13:46] <Wug> I destroyed all of the beds to make sure I hadn't missed the right one
#1796 [13:46] <g> http://i.imgur.com/taD1e.png
#1797 [13:46] <g> Kealper: ^
#1798 [13:46] <Kealper> O.o
#1799 [13:46] <g> :P
#1800 [13:47] <g> thank God for intellisense
#1801 [13:47] <g> and no, I'm not using VS
#1802 [13:47] <Kealper> lol at the commented-out send
#1803 [13:47] <g> :P
#1804 [13:47] <Tetyys> Codes?
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#1806 [13:48] <Tetyys> Wtf is that?
#1807 [13:48] <g> connecting signals and slots
#1808 [13:48] <g> C++ with Qt
#1809 [13:48] <aetherian> huh what
#1810 [13:48] <aetherian> somebody's making a replica of Qt with redstone?
#1811 [13:48] <g> lolwut
#1812 [13:48] <Kealper> ._.
#1813 [13:49] <g> How the hell did you get that idea?
#1814 [13:49] <g> xD
#1815 [13:49] <aetherian> yay for jumping in in the middle of a conversation :D
#1816 [13:49] <g> :P
#1817 [13:49] * g makes some slots
#1817 [13:51] <aetherian> slots slots...
#1818 [13:51] * g makes some more slots *
#1818 [13:51] <g> I mean
#1819 [13:51] <g> it's not like I don't have a lot already
#1820 [13:51] <g> or anything
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#1822 [13:51] <g> >.>
#1823 [13:51] * Tetyys is hungry
#1823 [13:51] <g> http://pastebin.com/988hzQwq
#1824 [13:52] <Kealper> what are those "slots"? callback functions for different irc packets?
#1825 [13:52] <g> Mm, sort of
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#1827 [13:52] <g> A signal can be emitted from any function
#1828 [13:52] <g> and a signal can be connected to the slot of another class
#1829 [13:52] <g> so when a signal is emitted,
#1830 [13:52] <g> the function at the slot is called
#1831 [13:52] <g> kind of like hooks
#1832 [13:53] <Kealper> oh...meh
#1833 [13:53] <g> slots are also valid functions
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#1837 [13:56] <Purrkitten> Need help! I opened my ports, but cant connect to minecraft, and portchecker says its cant find it / not open
#1838 [13:56] <Purrkitten> Using my own IP to connect to my server
#1839 [13:56] <Kealper> are you positive you forwarded it to the correct internal IP?
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#1841 [13:57] <Kealper> what IP did you put in the port forward?
#1842 [13:57] <Purrkitten> I only put 25565 in the port checker
#1843 [13:58] <Purrkitten> it has my IP that i use to connect to my minecraft server
#1844 [13:58] <Kealper> no, when you were setting up the port forwarding in your router
#1845 [13:58] <Kealper> what IP did you put to forward it to?
#1846 [13:58] <Purrkitten> Oh let me see...
#1847 [13:58] <Kealper> it was probably a 192.168 address
#1848 [13:59] <Purrkitten> yah...duh im so dumb lol
#1849 [13:59] <Purrkitten> now to figure out how to open the ports on the right one?
#1850 [14:00] <Kealper> did you not put in the right address? O.o
#1851 [14:00] <Purrkitten> Well, I'm using a 2wire, and it lists all the IPs connected, so you choose one, and DMZ/ POrt forward whichever. I did mine
#1852 [14:00] <GreyVulpine> Ah, one of those crap things..'
#1853 [14:01] <Kealper> you are positive that was yours? (try connecting to your minecraft server with that ip address that you picked as yours)
#1854 [14:01] <GreyVulpine> You set up a service, called it minecraft server or whatever, set it up with 25565-25565/TCP
#1855 [14:01] <GreyVulpine> Then, you port forwarded that service, to your computer's name, right?
#1856 [14:01] <Kealper> oh, wait...i know what you're talking about now
#1857 [14:01] * Kealper hates those routers ._.
#1857 [14:02] <GreyVulpine> Make sure the 2wire has your computer's name, resolved to your computer's ip address correctly
#1858 [14:02] <GreyVulpine> You don't know the silent rage I keep pented up for those modem/routers
#1859 [14:02] <Kealper> lol
#1860 [14:02] <GreyVulpine> Hate them with a fury of a thousand suns.
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#1862 [14:03] <Purrkitten> BUt my external IP i think ? is the one I connect to my minecraft server with..at least what I've done before
#1863 [14:03] <Purrkitten> lol yes its terrible
#1864 [14:03] <Purrkitten> They wont let you use your own modem..you can use a seperate router but its so clunky and difficult.
#1865 [14:03] <Purrkitten> I'm guessing if i add my external IP + port forward it, it should work. I hope =(
#1866 [14:04] <frodo> lol
#1867 [14:04] * g slaps AuBot around a bit with a large trout.
#1867 [14:04] <GreyVulpine> First off, do you have your server hooked up directly to the modem?
#1868 [14:04] <Purrkitten> wow that all came in at once, lag lol
#1869 [14:04] <GreyVulpine> Or to a seperate router that you have, which is then hooked up to your modem?
#1870 [14:05] <aetherian> frodo D:
#1871 [14:05] <frodo> :D
#1872 [14:05] <VoxelHead> =]
#1873 [14:05] <Purrkitten> I have only my RG hooked up ..the 3800hgv-b modem/router
#1874 [14:05] <aetherian> D:
#1875 [14:05] <aetherian> I'm hungry, and I can't eat you D:
#1876 [14:05] <g> Bot test
#1877 [14:05] <g> Sorry, but it IS necessary to send a notice
#1878 [14:05] <Purrkitten> I port forward on my interntal IP 192.168.X.XXX so apprarently I need to do my external IP that i get from whatismyip.com
#1879 [14:06] <frodo> aetherian: :>
#1880 [14:06] <aetherian> frodo: >:
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#1882 [14:06] <g> hm
#1883 [14:06] <g> Forgot to actually send them
#1884 [14:06] <g> lol
#1885 [14:08] <g> here it comes!
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#1887 [14:08] <gTestBot> Testing message!
#1888 [14:08] * gTestBot Testing action!
#1888 [14:08] <g> :D
#1889 [14:08] <VoxelHead> :)
#1890 [14:08] * Kealper RAGES
#1890 [14:08] <_303> can't you do that in a test channel?
#1891 [14:08] <xales> ^
#1892 [14:08] <lukegb> 4f8:101:2403::2:1 PRIVMSG #minecrafthelp :^^
#1893 [14:08] <g> Meh, I suppose
#1894 [14:08] <_303> #bottestspamchan
#1895 [14:09] <g> lol, seriously?
#1896 [14:09] <frodo> YES
#1897 [14:09] <frodo> best channel
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#1899 [14:13] <Hovertac> Hello?
#1900 [14:13] * Kealper waves
#1900 [14:14] <Hovertac> Hi, something screwed up with a plugin on my server, although It's not the Minecraft server software, does anyone think they can help me?
#1901 [14:14] <Kealper> depends, what'd ya screw up?
#1902 [14:14] <Hovertac> Permissions
#1903 [14:15] <Kealper> oh, have fun with that...lol...
#1904 [14:15] <Kealper> i've never messed with Bukkit so i don't even know them
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#1906 [14:15] <Hovertac> Here's the console output if it helps
#1907 [14:15] <Kealper> wait!
#1908 [14:15] <Hovertac> http://mibpaste.com/pYCsRW
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#1910 [14:15] <Kealper> oh
#1911 [14:15] <VoxelHead> \o/ wait
#1912 [14:15] <Kealper> thought you were going to send it to the channel....lol
#1913 [14:15] <Kealper> O.o
#1914 [14:16] <Hovertac> I changed some stuff in the config file, but I see no errors
#1915 [14:16] <Hovertac> I used spaces instead of tabs
#1916 [14:16] <lukegb> 4f8:101:2403::2:1 PRIVMSG #minecrafthelp :Hovertac: hmm, looks like a bad permissions download
#1917 [14:16] <Hovertac> I replaced it with the newest one
#1918 [14:16] <Hovertac> It happened when editing config
#1919 [14:16] <Hovertac> Here's my config
#1920 [14:16] <Hovertac> http://mibpaste.com/KN4O2p
#1921 [14:16] <Kealper> uhh...make sure you are using the correct thing, if it wants tabs, use tabs, if it wants spaces, use spaces....the two are quite different to a program
#1922 [14:17] <Hovertac> it needs spaces
#1923 [14:17] <Hovertac> I used spaces
#1924 [14:17] <lukegb> 4f8:101:2403::2:1 PRIVMSG #minecrafthelp :Hovertac: tried redownloading Permissions and retrying?
#1925 [14:17] <Hovertac> yep
#1926 [14:17] <VoxelHead> green
#1927 [14:17] <VoxelHead> No! Blue!
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#1929 [14:21] <Hovertac> I restored with old config I had (that I knew worked)
#1930 [14:21] <Hovertac> and it doesn't work
#1931 [14:22] <Kealper> same error?
#1932 [14:22] <Hovertac> yes
#1933 [14:22] <lukegb> 4f8:101:2403::2:1 PRIVMSG #minecrafthelp :VoxelHead: are you debating which Pokemon version to play out of the two ORIGINAL original ones.
#1934 [14:22] <Kealper> then the Permissions.jar file inside the plugins folder is corrupt; redownload it
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#1936 [14:23] <Hovertac> Huh.
#1937 [14:23] <Hovertac> Weird.
#1938 [14:23] <Hovertac> I did re-download it.
#1939 [14:23] <lukegb> 4f8:101:2403::2:1 PRIVMSG #minecrafthelp :...
#1940 [14:23] <Hovertac> But then that didn't work
#1941 [14:23] <Hovertac> I just tried an older version
#1942 [14:23] <Hovertac> and it's working now..
#1943 [14:23] <Hovertac> o_O
#1944 [14:23] <Hovertac> Every time I come here I seem to solve my own problems. lol. But thanks for helping me anyway :P
#1945 [14:26] <aetherian> uh
#1946 [14:27] <g> EXTREME RICE!
#1947 [14:27] <g> http://www.thebest404pageever.com/swf/EXTREME_RICE.swf
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#1949 [14:27] <g> :P
#1950 [14:30] * xolotl strangles Java's lack of unsigned types
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#1957 [14:38] <ucom> Anyone know about a black screen?
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#1960 [14:40] <LordTrevor> I know many things about black screens. Care to be more specific?
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#1963 [14:42] <SlashLife^m> LordTrevor, "Well, for example the LED is dark."
#1964 [14:42] <LordTrevor> My first reccomendation would be to apply voltage to the LED
#1965 [14:45] <SlashLife^m> Did that. It started smoking, but it didn't light up. Maybe 40 volts is not enough?
#1966 [14:46] <GreyVulpine> Needs 220
#1967 [14:46] <SlashLife^m> Don't worry, I've been in support long enough to destroy all your help attempts. ;)
#1968 [14:46] * VoxelHead is away: bnar
#1968 [14:47] <LordTrevor> Hmmm, try setting the LED on fire, this should produce light.
#1969 [14:48] <SlashLife^m> Can I electrocute it to do so?
#1970 [14:50] <wH> I think wire should have a light element thats as bright as a torch. And can have different colors.
#1971 [14:50] <wH> Different colors depending on how strong the redstone input is...
#1972 [14:50] <LordTrevor> Possibly, but a lighter is reccomended.
#1973 [14:50] <wH> someone get notch I'm onto something here.
#1974 [14:50] <SlashLife^m> Gaaaah ... gFTP is the worst of shit.
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#1980 [14:57] <Zw> What permission sould i give my "minecraft" user on my dedicated server? I tried to only give him folder permission, but then i got this update error when starting the server (trying to download files from internett)
#1981 [15:00] <xales> Server should be in his home directory
#1982 [15:00] <xales> which he should own
#1983 [15:00] <xales> and he should own all of the server-related files
#1984 [15:00] <xales> and have rwx on all of them
#1985 [15:01] <Zw> so how sould i do that?
#1986 [15:01] <Zw> i did chrow -r /folder
#1987 [15:01] <Zw> or what its called: P
#1988 [15:01] <Zw> (some noob)
#1989 [15:01] <Juze> As far as you don't run the server as root
#1990 [15:01] <Juze> You should be fine?
#1991 [15:01] <xales> Just su to the minecraft user
#1992 [15:01] <xales> and install the server in your home directory
#1993 [15:01] <Zw> I use to run it as root
#1994 [15:01] <xales> (/home/minecraft) or whatever
#1995 [15:01] <Juze> Never run as root
#1996 [15:01] <xales> ^
#1997 [15:02] <Zw> Juze why?
#1998 [15:02] <Juze> Security risk
#1999 [15:02] <xales> It's extremely insecure, and you don't need to
#2000 [15:02] <Zw> i have runned as root in months
#2001 [15:02] <xales> It's a very bad practice
#2002 [15:02] <Juze> Could be that you're already hacked then
#2003 [15:02] <Zw> how to i know if I am or not?
#2004 [15:03] <xales> If you login as root
#2005 [15:03] <Juze> You can't really, if you haven't seen much of changes, probably nobody has done anything then
#2006 [15:03] <xales> then you are root
#2007 [15:03] <Juze> You can consider yourself as lucky
#2008 [15:03] <xales> if you login as root and switch to another user, then you are the other user
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#2010 [15:03] <xales> if you login as another user, then you are that user
#2011 [15:03] <xales> very straightforward
#2012 [15:03] <Zw> yes
#2013 [15:03] <Zw> but i have runned the server as root since january
#2014 [15:03] <xales> make a minecraft user
#2015 [15:03] <xales> set the user's password
#2016 [15:03] <xales> login as that user
#2017 [15:04] <xales> setup the server in /home/USERNAME
#2018 [15:04] <xales> with USERNAME = the user's username
#2019 [15:04] <Zw> ok
#2020 [15:04] <xales> that's all there is to it
#2021 [15:04] <Zw> now i have it in /home/minecraft
#2022 [15:04] <Zw> ok
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#2024 [15:04] <Juze> If you ever get MySQL on the server (or if you have it already), it's a good choise to create a new account for that too
#2025 [15:04] <Juze> I used to run MySQL as root
#2026 [15:04] <Juze> Now I got account for each MySQL plugin
#2027 [15:04] <Zw> ok
#2028 [15:04] <Zw> i run all as root, also mysql
#2029 [15:05] <xales> I run mysql as 'nobody' :>
#2030 [15:05] <xales> <3 acl
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#2032 [15:05] <GreyVulpine> ... you run everything as root?
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#2034 [15:05] <GreyVulpine> That's just.
#2035 [15:05] <Zw> but why not run as root? I have passwd for root
#2036 [15:05] <xales> again, it's a horrible idea
#2037 [15:05] <Zw> well, im new to this, so how would i know :P
#2038 [15:05] <Juze> Root = full access to the server
#2039 [15:05] <Juze> Can reinstall OS and all
#2040 [15:05] <xales> it's VERY insecure
#2041 [15:05] <Juze> You can do anything with root
#2042 [15:05] <Juze> If anyone figures out your password
#2043 [15:05] <Juze> If they get "minecraft" account's password
#2044 [15:06] <Juze> They can only mess up the server, not your whole OS
#2045 [15:06] <Juze> Now good night ->
#2046 [15:06] <Zw> but why is the chances so much bigger for someone to find out my root pwd?
#2047 [15:06] <xales> It isn't any bigger
#2048 [15:06] <xales> but if they do, then you are totally screwed
#2049 [15:07] <GreyVulpine> Zw, the deal is this, your root password is your master key, it gives full access to EVERYTHING on your system
#2050 [15:07] <GreyVulpine> SQL, especially mySQL, is very VERY vulnerable to sql injection attacks
#2051 [15:07] <Zw> yes, but i have not written the root password anywhere
#2052 [15:07] <Zw> i have own mysql passwd
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#2054 [15:07] <xales> That's irrelevant
#2055 [15:07] <GreyVulpine> If somebody were to use a vulnerability in SQL to obtain root access, they have root access to your comptuer
#2056 [15:08] <xales> It doesn't matter if you write it down. People can find it in numerous other ways
#2057 [15:08] <Dalik17> anybody know how to port forward a Sky router?
#2058 [15:08] <GreyVulpine> Hence, it's like giving a valet service, who's just parking your car, your entire keychain
#2059 [15:08] <Zw> hehe
#2060 [15:08] <Zw> i c
#2061 [15:08] <Zw> but I think im good
#2062 [15:08] <GreyVulpine> Alright then, just don't be surprised when you do get hacked.
#2063 [15:08] <Zw> so i just create a new user then, and move everything over to /home/user/minecraft
#2064 [15:08] <xales> yes
#2065 [15:08] <xales> but _as that user_
#2066 [15:08] <xales> not as root
#2067 [15:08] <xales> or the user will not have access to it
#2068 [15:09] <Zw> tnx :-)
#2069 [15:09] <Zw> but the problem i had starting from /home/minecraft with user was that essential tried to update but did not have permissions for that
#2070 [15:10] <Zw> but isnt it posible to get list over users or see if anyone have connected from other ips?
#2071 [15:10] <Zw> to my server
#2072 [15:11] <Zw> but the chance for people getting my root password is it so much bigger just because i start the server from root?
#2073 [15:12] <GreyVulpine> Look, it insulates you from potential problems. If minecraft was compromised, you'd only lose that account's access, which is limited to whatever permissions you gave it
#2074 [15:12] <GreyVulpine> If you ran it as root, and minecraft was compromised, your system is now at risk
#2075 [15:13] <GreyVulpine> Minecraft is NOT a secure application. You do not trust anything to run as root
#2076 [15:13] <GreyVulpine> It's your master password, it gives access to everything on your system
#2077 [15:13] <g> My bot runs as root..
#2078 [15:13] <GreyVulpine> If you can't understand that, then I'm sorry, you kinda deserve to be hacked.
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#2080 [15:14] <Zw> no need to be rude Grey, im new to this and are just trying to learn
#2081 [15:14] <xales> Listening to advice and not ignoring it is a good way to learn
#2082 [15:14] <GreyVulpine> I'm only trying to illustrate the point brevity of how much importance 'root' is
#2083 [15:15] <GreyVulpine> Bleh, I messed that sentence up.
#2084 [15:15] <Zw> tnx
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#2086 [15:15] <werwew19> anyone wanna play portal 2?
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#2088 [15:18] <g> werwew19: HAve you started co-op yet?
#2089 [15:18] <werwew19> nope
#2090 [15:18] <g> Trying to find someone that hasn't yet
#2091 [15:18] <g> Oh, yay
#2092 [15:18] <werwew19> :)
#2093 [15:18] <g> Then sure, I'll play with you
#2094 [15:18] <werwew19> alright
#2095 [15:18] <GreyVulpine> Heh
#2096 [15:18] <GreyVulpine> Nice catch there g
#2097 [15:19] <g> Been trying to get that achievement for ages :P
#2098 [15:19] <GreyVulpine> ages = 1 week
#2099 [15:19] <g> indeed
#2100 [15:19] <aetherian> ha
#2101 [15:19] * GreyVulpine snrks
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#2102 [15:20] <aetherian> GreyVulpine: gesundheit
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#2104 [15:24] * GreyVulpine is listening to portal2's sound files.
#2104 [15:24] <GreyVulpine> Since when did garfield make it into portal 2's coop?
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#2107 [15:31] <NotiCon> since valve had fun
#2108 [15:32] <Zw> xales / GreyVulpine : Is there a way to find out if i have ben hacked?
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#2113 [15:40] <Zw> xales / GreyVulpine : Is there a way to find out if i have ben hacked?
#2114 [15:41] <aetherian> just ask whoever may have hacked you :D
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#2117 [15:44] <Zw> :P
#2118 [15:46] <Zw> but i have like 23 users
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#2122 [15:57] <Zw> GreyVulpine
#2123 [15:57] <Zw> i get this error when i run server as other user than root:
#2124 [15:57] <Zw> while upgrading the files
#2125 [15:57] <Zw> java.io.IOException: Permission denied
#2126 [15:57] <Morrolan> It is in a folder where your account has writing permission, right?
#2127 [15:57] <Zw> yes
#2128 [15:58] <Morrolan> Just to make sure that it's not the most obvious mistake. :D
#2129 [15:58] <Zw> its under /user
#2130 [15:58] <Morrolan> Oh, Linux, I'm out then.
#2131 [15:58] <Zw> ;P
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#2133 [15:59] <Rowe> hey all
#2134 [15:59] <VoxelHead> =]
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#2136 [15:59] <Morrolan> Hey Rowe
#2137 [15:59] <Rowe> so whats going on in here then?
#2138 [16:00] <Rowe> dont seem like alot :p
#2139 [16:00] <Morrolan> Help for people who have issues with vanilla Minecraft.
#2140 [16:00] <Morrolan> Depends, sometimes it's really busy.
#2141 [16:01] <Morrolan> And sometimes not. ;)
#2142 [16:01] <Rowe> as in official issues? like crashes or just general like "how do i make pickaxe"?
#2143 [16:02] <Morrolan> Both.
#2144 [16:02] <GreyVulpine> Anything and everything concerning vanilla minecraft
#2145 [16:02] <Morrolan> We are not affiliated with Mojang though, so no support for accounts and such.
#2146 [16:03] <Rowe> nice nice im just killing time while i wait for my small MC server to update to a 12 man server
#2147 [16:03] <Kealper> :o
#2148 [16:03] <VoxelHead> so, like, well slap my ass and call me susan
#2149 [16:03] <Kealper> ._.
#2150 [16:03] <Kealper> vox, shut up
#2151 [16:03] <VoxelHead> bah
#2152 [16:04] <Rowe> lol
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#2154 [16:04] <Morrolan> Oh, before you call in Amnesty International, the Red Cross or whatsoever, VoxelHead is a bot. ;)
#2155 [16:04] <Rowe> i do wish notch would slow down on updates and just give us bigger less frequent ones
#2156 [16:05] <Rowe> lols ok
#2157 [16:05] <Morrolan> Rowe: I think every modder will agree with you on this. :D
#2158 [16:06] <GreyVulpine> Many people would also disagree, and demand more updates, since notch is a millionare, and they paid their 20 bucks damnit.
#2159 [16:06] <GreyVulpine> They deserve face to face time with notch, so they can talk to him, and suggest every feature under the sun.
#2160 [16:07] <g> lol
#2161 [16:07] <Rowe> well uil
#2162 [16:07] <Morrolan> Continue like that and we'll drown in all that cynism. :D
#2163 [16:07] <GreyVulpine> :P
#2164 [16:07] <Morrolan> cynicism*
#2165 [16:07] <Dalik17> Could anybody help me portforward my sky router to run a server?
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#2167 [16:08] <sprocket> hello
#2168 [16:08] <Rowe> i dont see why people are bitching for more updates if we get less updates we'll get more to do after each patch
#2169 [16:08] <Rowe> instead of like 1hour of new features
#2170 [16:08] <Morrolan> Dalik: Sadly I can't, but if noone can help you you could check out http://portforward.com/
#2171 [16:08] <sprocket> can anyone help me, my minecraft wont connect , i cant login..
#2172 [16:09] <Rowe> check MC website and see if its up
#2173 [16:09] <Dalik17> Morrolan: I'm afraid I have tried following the steps on there, but it does not help. Thanks anyway.
#2174 [16:09] <Morrolan> Sprocket: What errpr doest it give you?
#2175 [16:09] <Morrolan> error*
#2176 [16:09] <GreyVulpine> Dalik17 - Could you possibly give us a screenshot of the relevant port forwarding pages?
#2177 [16:09] <sprocket> i was on the website.. and have download the game..
#2178 [16:10] <Morrolan> Sprocket: Yes, but what error does it give you when you try to connect?
#2179 [16:10] <sprocket> it come, Cannot Connect to the minecraft server..
#2180 [16:11] <Morrolan> And this appears when you enter your name and password in the launcher, right?
#2181 [16:11] <Dalik17> GreyVulpine: Give me a second.
#2182 [16:11] <sprocket> ohh lol.. now he update the launcher.. may the problem is finished ? right word ?
#2183 [16:11] <Rowe> i can connect to MC.net
#2184 [16:12] <Morrolan> Sprocket: Hmm, "solved" would be a correct word I guess.
#2185 [16:12] <Rowe> afk a sec
#2186 [16:12] <sprocket> solved.. thanks,
#2187 [16:12] <Morrolan> Anyway, does it work now?
#2188 [16:13] <sprocket> yes but he say bad video card driver.. may my graphic card has no opengl
#2189 [16:14] <Morrolan> Hmm, it had to be a really old graphics card then.
#2190 [16:14] <Dalik17> GreyVulpine: here is the screenshot of the firewall rules. http://i.imgur.com/44sHi.png
#2191 [16:14] <sprocket> yes.. its the pc of my girlfriend..
#2192 [16:15] <Morrolan> Sprocket: Do you know how to create a dxdiag?
#2193 [16:15] <sprocket> yes
#2194 [16:15] <sprocket> mom pls
#2195 [16:15] <Morrolan> Ok, could you paste it on pastebin.org then please?
#2196 [16:15] <GreyVulpine> Gah..
#2197 [16:15] <Morrolan> pastebin.com*
#2198 [16:15] <sprocket> okay mom
#2199 [16:16] <GreyVulpine> I'm surprised your TS3 port forwarding works with that
#2200 [16:16] <Dalik17> I know. So was I.
#2201 [16:17] <sprocket> http://pastebin.com/z5GQdSq3
#2202 [16:17] <GreyVulpine> The problem is, you're setting two inbound rules, that encompass all TCP ports 1-65535 to the computer running the TS3 server
#2203 [16:17] <Dalik17> ah.
#2204 [16:17] <GreyVulpine> You're then setting a third rule, also encompassing all inbound TCP ports, to route to a different computer as well
#2205 [16:18] <Dalik17> So if I took off the TS3 server, would that solve the problem?
#2206 [16:18] <GreyVulpine> I couldn't tell you, I actually surprised the router lets you do that, and that TS3 works with those rules.
#2207 [16:18] <GreyVulpine> I'm *
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#2209 [16:19] <Zw> GreyVulpine: I have 23 users, but only root have ben logged on. What is the other users? And sould i watch them?
#2210 [16:19] <GreyVulpine> What I would change is this, narrow the inbound rules.
#2211 [16:19] <VoxelHead> cycling
#2212 [16:19] <sprocket> and are the information helpfull Morrolan?
#2213 [16:19] <Dalik17> So should I change 1:65535 to something like 65500:65535?
#2214 [16:20] <GreyVulpine> TS3 2 would have 192.168.0.6/30033-30033 LAN, and 0.0.0.0/30033-30033 WAN
#2215 [16:20] <Dalik17> ok
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#2217 [16:20] <GreyVulpine> MC would have 192.168.0.2/25565-25565 : 0.0.0.0/25565-25565
#2218 [16:21] <GreyVulpine> For the outgoing rules, you honestly don't need any
#2219 [16:21] <Dalik17> OK
#2220 [16:21] <GreyVulpine> You can see the default state is already set to allow everything
#2221 [16:21] <post> when i play on my mates server, i'm laggy ass hell. but no one else is lagging
#2222 [16:21] <VoxelHead> "laggy" ass-hell
#2223 [16:21] <Morrolan> sprocket: Geez, that card is OLD. Oo
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#2225 [16:23] <Morrolan> sprocket: From what I've read so far it seems that this card does not support OpenGL. :/
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#2227 [16:26] <Morrolan> Oh, he left.
#2228 [16:26] <Morrolan> Or, rather, timed out.
#2229 [16:30] <Dalik17> Thank you GreyVulpine, I will test now, and if anything else happens, I'll come back!
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#2234 [16:36] <mib_fiejr3> help
#2235 [16:36] <Dalik17> GreyVulpine: For some reason, I cannot get the port to change from 1:25565 to 25565:25565 ...
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#2238 [16:36] <m1r0> Hello? I need some help
#2239 [16:37] <mib_fiejr3> hey i am having trouble
#2240 [16:37] <vcordie> Hmm, okay, it seems all my sounds are split up into parts. each one of those parts loops for a couple seconds. Using windows xp, if you need anymore specs let me know
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#2242 [16:39] <Morrolan> mib and m1r0: What do you need?
#2243 [16:39] <vcordie> mib left.
#2244 [16:39] <Morrolan> Oh, mibl eft
#2245 [16:39] <Morrolan> left*
#2246 [16:40] <Morrolan> vcordie: Already made sure that it's not your speakers messing up?
#2247 [16:40] <VoxelHead> can i have 50:50?
#2248 [16:40] <Morrolan> Vox: Yes, yes you can.
#2249 [16:40] <vcordie> Morrolan: Yes, I have. This problem only occurs sometimes and even then for only a few minutes.
#2250 [16:40] <vcordie> It may be that I just have such a crappy computer. It happens when I'm generating new chunks, it seems.
#2251 [16:41] <Morrolan> vcordie: Meh, shame. Never seen that error before. Alread reinstalled Minecraft?
#2252 [16:41] <VoxelHead> Let's all ask each other! that'll solve this problem!
#2253 [16:41] <Morrolan> Oh, now that could be it as well.
#2254 [16:41] <Morrolan> Vox, shut up.
#2255 [16:41] <VoxelHead> hai!
#2256 [16:41] <m1r0> For some reason I cant connect to servers....
#2257 [16:41] <Morrolan> m1r0: What error does it give you?
#2258 [16:42] <vcordie> Morrolan: I reinstall minecraft on a regular basis, as I'm a you know what user.
#2259 [16:42] <vcordie> This happened in vanilla too, so its not that.
#2260 [16:42] <m1r0> INternal exception: java.net.SocketException: Connection Reset
#2261 [16:42] <vcordie> Looks like your sockets are being closed.
#2262 [16:43] <Morrolan> I hope you're referring to a mod user with "you know what"? ;)
#2263 [16:43] <m1r0> And yes, I have tried reinstalling by deleting the resources and bin
#2264 [16:43] <vcordie> Is it taking a very long time to connect to servers?
#2265 [16:43] <vcordie> Yes, Morro.
#2266 [16:43] <Morrolan> m1r0: Are you sure that the server you're trying to connect to is updated?
#2267 [16:43] <vcordie> Either that, or there isn't any sockets available, which could be a byproduct of insane ammounts of traffic or a DoS/DDoS attack.
#2268 [16:43] <m1r0> Seeing as I tried 10 different servers, then I think it's not the problem
#2269 [16:43] <vcordie> Considering minecraft is a popular game, I believe its the former.
#2270 [16:44] <Morrolan> m1r0: Wouldn't be too sure, many servers are still at 1.4 cause bukkit isn't stable yet.
#2271 [16:44] <vcordie> I would recommend whining on twitter @mollstam and continuing to try to connect until you can grab a socket, which would be when traffic dies down. =P
#2272 [16:44] <m1r0> Morrolan: But some of these servers worked before, when I was on 1.5_01
#2273 [16:44] <Morrolan> Ah, then it has to be something different.
#2274 [16:45] <Dalik17> I have got my inbound rule to set the port 25565, but it shows 1:25565, not 25565:25565 . Can anyone help me?
#2275 [16:45] <vcordie> bah, audio glitch is back.
#2276 [16:45] <vcordie> And Im in a pregenerated chunk.
#2277 [16:45] <vcordie> I wish I could twitch my nose and upgrade this hunk of junk.
#2278 [16:45] <Morrolan> Does this only happen in Minecraft or when listening to music / in other games as well?
#2279 [16:45] <vcordie> Only in minecraft.
#2280 [16:46] <Morrolan> :/
#2281 [16:46] <m1r0> Morrolan: If there was too much traffic, wouldn't other people be affected too?
#2282 [16:46] <vcordie> Well, thats not exactly true.
#2283 [16:46] <vcordie> I do lag a shitload
#2284 [16:46] <Morrolan> m1r0: Yep.
#2285 [16:46] <vcordie> And when I do lag, I do experience stutters.
#2286 [16:46] <vcordie> Minecraft is the only game I own that lags all the time.
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#2288 [16:46] <vcordie> Which in turn makes other stuff lag. I think if I turned media player on, it would be stuttering too.
#2289 [16:46] <m1r0> So why isn't it working!
#2290 [16:47] <vcordie> M1r0: Other people probablly are being affected.
#2291 [16:47] <Morrolan> m1r0: Might want to hang around here for an hour or so, maybe someone who knows what to do will appear. :/
#2292 [16:47] <vcordie> We told you the reason. It's a waiting game until you can get a socket.
#2293 [16:47] <m1r0> Shouldn't everyone be affected?
#2294 [16:47] <vcordie> Yes
#2295 [16:47] <Morrolan> vcordie: I doubt that it's because of too few sockets.
#2296 [16:47] <vcordie> Well, you probablly know better then me. I know very little about these things
#2297 [16:47] <m1r0> Morrolan: Could it be too much traffic on client side? I have a bunch of tabs open....
#2298 [16:47] <VoxelHead> *boing*
#2299 [16:48] <vcordie> All I know is that when you establish a connection to a server, it creates a socket which is basically a tunnel that you send your packets through.
#2300 [16:48] <vcordie> Idle sockets get closed.
#2301 [16:48] <vcordie> I know a windows machine can open roughly 100 sockets, but I have no idea how many a server could open.
#2302 [16:48] <vcordie> well
#2303 [16:48] <Morrolan> m1r0: Shouldn't affect it, unless these tabs are being reloaded all the time.
#2304 [16:48] <vcordie> how many sockets the server could accept.
#2305 [16:48] <vcordie> Actually
#2306 [16:49] <vcordie> I think a server would...no wait, then DoS programs that open sockets such as slowloris wouldn't work. Hmm
#2307 [16:49] <vcordie> I'll have to do more research on this stuff.
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#2309 [16:49] <vcordie> But, long story short, it's probablly because too many people want to play minecraft for mojangs servers to handle, so you should wait.
#2310 [16:49] <Tetyys> Hello
#2311 [16:49] <VoxelHead> *uNf
#2312 [16:49] <vcordie> I could be completely wrong
#2313 [16:49] <vcordie> But that's what it seems like to me.
#2314 [16:50] <vcordie> bleh at 13 fps
#2315 [16:50] <m1r0> It said End Of Stream a couple of times
#2316 [16:50] <vcordie> m1r0: you just confirmed my suspicions
#2317 [16:51] <vcordie> The servers are overloaded with traffic, you will need to persistantly try to connect if you really want to play, but that's just going to make the problem worse.
#2318 [16:51] <m1r0> Why does mojang have to route server connections through his server!
#2319 [16:51] <Morrolan> vcordie: Point is that he's able to log in fine though, but when connecting to a multiplayer server it shows that error.
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#2321 [16:51] <m1r0> Well, obviously because he wants to stop piracy...
#2322 [16:51] <m1r0> But still!
#2323 [16:51] <Morrolan> So the Mojang server seems to be able to keep up.
#2324 [16:51] <m1r0> notch*
#2325 [16:51] <vcordie> Morro: Login servers are kept seperate then the auth servers, I think.
#2326 [16:52] <vcordie> If I recall correctly, login and http are hosted on the same server.
#2327 [16:52] <m1r0> vcordie: Yah, I think so....
#2328 [16:52] <vcordie> When login goes down, http goes down.
#2329 [16:52] <m1r0> Yes
#2330 [16:52] <vcordie> As such, when the auth server goes down, multiplayer goes down.
#2331 [16:52] <vcordie> Therefor, mojang needs to upgrade the auth servers.
#2332 [16:52] <vcordie> That's it, that's all I know.
#2333 [16:53] <Tetyys> Eat.
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#2335 [16:53] <m1r0> Got disconecter
#2336 [16:53] <xolotl> The auth servers are on a different set of hosts than the main minecraft web servers
#2337 [16:54] <m1r0> They are?
#2338 [16:54] <xolotl> m1r0: Yes.
#2339 [16:54] <vcordie> I just said that, xolotl.
#2340 [16:54] <m1r0> Auth for login or auth for servers?
#2341 [16:54] <vcordie> auth for servers.
#2342 [16:54] <m1r0> Oh
#2343 [16:54] <m1r0> Thought meant login
#2344 [16:54] <m1r0> Because whenever login goes down, so does http
#2345 [16:54] <xolotl> vcordie: Ah, I misread your comment as well.
#2346 [16:55] <vcordie> There IS a solution
#2347 [16:55] <vcordie> But I dont want to share it.
#2348 [16:55] <xolotl> Yeah, circumenting the auth servers is verboten here. :)
#2349 [16:55] <vcordie> I know of a certain server mojang owns that has multiplayer auth. An alternate one that nobody uses.
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#2351 [16:55] <Tetyys> True, true.
#2352 [16:55] <vcordie> wait, you can circuvent the auth servers?
#2353 [16:56] <shockwave12> why when i send email to minecraft support team i never get reply/nothing helps?
#2354 [16:56] <vcordie> A simple edit to your hosts file could make you auth on the alternate server.
#2355 [16:56] <vcordie> Because mojang is a tiny company, and minecraft is a huge game.
#2356 [16:56] <Morrolan> shockwave12: They can't keep up.
#2357 [16:56] <shockwave12> ugh
#2358 [16:56] <Morrolan> yep
#2359 [16:56] <vcordie> they once hosted creative heartbeat on this alternate server
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#2361 [16:57] <shockwave12> i've tried to get my accounts password back and i have 2 accounts under 1 e-mail and it always send e-mail to the account that i dont need to change password on
#2362 [16:57] <shockwave12> and i really dont want to pay another 20$ for it
#2363 [16:57] <vcordie> Can't you just put in the accounts username rather then the email?
#2364 [16:57] <vcordie> If that option doesn't exist, thats a serious oversight.
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#2366 [16:58] <Morrolan> It let you create two accounts with the same mail? Now that's a serious oversight. :/
#2367 [16:58] <shockwave12> it does exist, i have tried that.. it says it sends an email but i never receive one
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#2369 [16:58] <kendle> uhh hey guys me and my friend just set up a server and everytime we connect it says end of stream
#2370 [16:59] <Morrolan> Then you haven't registered it with the email you think you did I'd say.
#2371 [16:59] <shockwave12> i've gotten an email for the account..but i was asleep at the time so i didnt get to it in 6 hours
#2372 [16:59] <vcordie> Kendle: auth servers are overloaded, try again later.
#2373 [16:59] <vcordie> Well, actually, keep trying
#2374 [16:59] <vcordie> eventually you will be able to join
#2375 [16:59] <Morrolan> kendle: Are both the server and the client at 1.5 atm?
#2376 [16:59] <kendle> yeah
#2377 [16:59] <vcordie> Morrolan: you wouldnt get an end of stream error for that
#2378 [16:59] <Morrolan> vcordie: Actually you do.
#2379 [17:00] <Morrolan> Since the last update it throws a lot of different errors when the versions aren't matching.
#2380 [17:00] <vcordie> Oh, didn't know that.
#2381 [17:00] <shockwave12> morrolan, i have gotten an e-mail for the account i want to recover but i wasnt on at the time and since then it sends an email to a different name
#2382 [17:00] <vcordie> Shockwave: we wouldn't be able to help you with that, we don't work at mojang.
#2383 [17:01] <shockwave12> yeah thats the problem..i have no way to fix this and its very frustrating
#2384 [17:01] <vcordie> You're going to have to *cough spam* email mojang support, and hope you're email gets opened and answered.
#2385 [17:01] <vcordie> My friend has a 10 page document on how to fix the auth overload and make the entire game dirt cheap to run
#2386 [17:01] <Morrolan> Uhm, not sure if it's a good idea to spam then. Might get filtered out by spamfilters then.
#2387 [17:01] <vcordie> True.
#2388 [17:02] <vcordie> Maybe send an email once a day.
#2389 [17:02] <vcordie> at different times of the day
#2390 [17:02] <vcordie> to maximum probability that your email will be answered.
#2391 [17:02] <shockwave12> i've sent a total of 3 in a month
#2392 [17:03] <Morrolan> shochwave: I've just tried the password resend option via the username and it worked. Are you ABSOLUTELY sure that you're watching the correct mail address?
#2393 [17:03] <VoxelHead> purple dildos
#2394 [17:03] <Morrolan> schockwave*
#2395 [17:03] <shockwave12> yes
#2396 [17:03] <shockwave12> ive gotten an email for the account before
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#2398 [17:03] <shockwave12> i wasnt awake at the time
#2399 [17:04] <Morrolan> Hmm, ok.
#2400 [17:04] <vcordie> I need to stop talking and dig more mineshafts.
#2401 [17:06] <Morrolan> Oh well, I have to go. Hope someone will be able to help you.
#2402 [17:07] <shockwave12> yeah, me to..lol
#2403 [17:08] <xales> shockwave12: If it's an account issue, you really can't do anything but email support@mojang.com
#2404 [17:08] <xales> It can take a few days for them to get back to you, but they will eventually
#2405 [17:08] <Thoatt|afk> for a bit
#2406 [17:08] <shockwave12> i sent one over a month ago..
#2407 [17:08] <shockwave12> i've still yet to see any reply
#2408 [17:08] <xales> Send another one
#2409 [17:08] <GreyVulpine> Do want to point out a reply from a mojang employee.
#2410 [17:08] <GreyVulpine> "Please also let them know to only mail once since the system gets flooded with email right now =/"
#2411 [17:08] <shockwave12> i have
#2412 [17:09] <Thoatt|afk> /clear
#2413 [17:09] <Thoatt|afk> fail
#2414 [17:09] <Thoatt|afk> ._.
#2415 [17:09] <xales> ._.
#2416 [17:09] <xales> anyway
#2417 [17:09] * xales afk for food
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#2419 [17:13] <m1r0_> I'm still having my server problem :(
#2420 [17:17] <[E]MARANTz> Anyone who can suggest a good Minecraft server to me? I prefer a pretty new one! :) msg me
#2421 [17:17] <jacobat> Is minecraft more fun when playing on a server?
#2422 [17:17] <NotiCon> depends on how you define fun
#2423 [17:18] <jacobat> That's true
#2424 [17:18] <jacobat> I'm just curious as to what playing on a server adds, I haven't tried it
#2425 [17:19] <m1r0_> Cooperation...
#2426 [17:19] <m1r0_> Many things
#2427 [17:19] <m1r0_> You can trade
#2428 [17:19] <m1r0_> and ya...
#2429 [17:20] <jacobat> Sounds like it adds some more dimensions :)
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#2431 [17:23] <peru> but there are drawbacks for example you can only mine for blocks in designated areas
#2432 [17:23] <GreyVulpine> Depends on the server.
#2433 [17:24] <GreyVulpine> The original server only has spawn protection, outside it, anybody can place or destroy blocks
#2434 [17:24] <GreyVulpine> If the server is modded to have permissions and advanced building rights, that's different
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#2438 [17:40] <vcordie> Branch mining: 3 or 4 between each branch?
#2439 [17:41] <NotiCon> two
#2440 [17:41] <vcordie> Lower efficency. Highly unlikely to lose any ore by going 3. Any ore that is lost is worth it due to the low density.
#2441 [17:42] <vcordie> Going 4 is even higher density, but more ore lost. I'm thinking 3 but I wanted a second opinion
#2442 [17:42] <NotiCon> 2 means you dont lose any
#2443 [17:42] <vcordie> By going 3 and staggering your branchs you don't lose any at all.
#2444 [17:42] <vcordie> I'm thinking 3.
#2445 [17:44] * xolotl doesn't have the patience for branch mining. I just explore natural caves and take what I can get. :)
#2445 [17:52] <ucom> Stupid java keeps crashing :/
#2446 [17:55] <NinjaKirby> Anyone here an expert with Portal Placement? XD And linking them. I thought I was, until my method fails on a scaled down approach.
#2447 [17:55] <VoxelHead> Yesyesyesyesyesyes*
#2448 [17:55] <VoxelHead> *=no.
#2449 [17:56] <NinjaKirby> Took the coordinates, divided by 8, ignored the remainder, installed the Portals and they both connect to the same Overworld portal.
#2450 [17:57] <NinjaKirby> It's only a 3 Block gap in the Nether, but it's still 24+ blocks apart
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#2455 [18:02] <Pepetox> Hey
#2456 [18:02] <VoxelHead> mmm pepasmoliar
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#2458 [18:02] <Pepetox> Hey I have a problem :S I couldn't play today as it says "Failed login"
#2459 [18:03] <Pepetox> But a friend's account does work
#2460 [18:03] <Pepetox> does anyone know about this ? D:
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#2462 [18:04] <cesar0001> can someone help me?
#2463 [18:05] <lembas> ?? ask
#2464 [18:05] <VoxelHead> ask: Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help, and be as specific as possible.
#2465 [18:05] <NotiCon> ?? ask
#2466 [18:05] <VoxelHead> ask: If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#2467 [18:05] <lembas> :>
#2468 [18:05] <VoxelHead> :-)
#2469 [18:05] <NotiCon> VoxelHead: i know you did :(
#2470 [18:05] <lembas> lol did he /notice you something?
#2471 [18:05] <cesar0001> I use a Window XP and i just bought minecraft and downloaded it i logged in and it crashed when i press "not now"
#2472 [18:06] <NotiCon> he either noticed me or messaged me
#2473 [18:07] <cesar0001> ?
#2474 [18:07] <cesar0001> does anyone know what im doing wrong?
#2475 [18:08] <lembas> Maybe don't click 'not now'?
#2476 [18:09] <cesar0001> lembas i have tried what you said but it crshed anyways
#2477 [18:09] <DreadLindwyrm> What is it asking you when you are clicking "not now"?
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#2479 [18:10] <cesar0001> it was asking to update
#2480 [18:11] <lembas> Well you should update.
#2481 [18:11] <cesar0001> i just did it still crashed
#2482 [18:13] <lembas> ?? win/dxdiag
#2483 [18:13] <VoxelHead> win/dxdiag: Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "save log" file and save it to your desktop.
#2484 [18:13] <VoxelHead> win/dxdiag: Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link you are sent to, and paste it here.
#2485 [18:13] <lembas> also, what version of Java do you have?
#2486 [18:14] <cesar0001> um
#2487 [18:14] <cesar0001> how do i figure which version i have
#2488 [18:14] <lembas> Open a command prompt and type 'java -version'
#2489 [18:14] <lembas> (not even sure if that works on windows!)
#2490 [18:15] <cesar0001> is there a way that you can control my computer and see it?
#2491 [18:15] <NotiCon> you just need to be in the java folder
#2492 [18:15] <NotiCon> then it could
#2493 [18:16] <cesar0001> like teamviewer ?
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#2495 [18:18] <cesar0001> well for minecraft :)
#2496 [18:18] <lembas> Press Win+R, type cmd, type java -version
#2497 [18:18] <lembas> is that so hard?
#2498 [18:18] * VoxelHead is away: working
#2498 [18:18] <NotiCon> lembas: yup
#2499 [18:18] <lembas> >:|
#2500 [18:18] <lembas> Sometimes I really hate the internet.
#2501 [18:19] <NotiCon> but hey at least you arent an it supporter. right?
#2502 [18:19] <lembas> Oh I would kill myself.
#2503 [18:19] <lembas> Many times over.
#2504 [18:19] <lembas> Worst job ever.
#2505 [18:20] <lembas> At least here I can be like "KBAI"
#2506 [18:20] <cesar0001> 1.6.0_24
#2507 [18:20] <cesar0001> There!
#2508 [18:20] <cesar0001> :D
#2509 [18:20] <lembas> Well that seems pretty current.
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#2511 [18:21] <lembas> ok then,
#2512 [18:21] <lembas> ??>> cesar0001 win/dxdiag
#2513 [18:21] <cesar0001> what 0_0
#2514 [18:21] <lembas> VoxelHead: should have /notice'd you something.
#2515 [18:22] <lembas> Click the 'mibbit' tab, or whatever it's called.
#2516 [18:22] <cesar0001> omg this is confusing :/
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#2518 [18:23] <vcordie> ..god.
#2519 [18:23] <vcordie> Kbai!
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#2521 [18:24] <lembas> lol
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#2523 [18:27] <cesar0001> http://pastebin.com/j9grefRX
#2524 [18:27] <cesar0001> ok thanks vexelhead
#2525 [18:27] <cesar0001> now i wait?
#2526 [18:31] <lembas> Well if I'm reading this right, you have a fairly atrocious video card.
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#2528 [18:31] <lembas> but I don't think that would cause MC to crash outright
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#2530 [18:32] <cesar0001> So i shouldn't have any problems?
#2531 [18:32] <lembas> well, let's try something
#2532 [18:32] <lembas> !client
#2533 [18:32] <lembas> download the Linux .jar
#2534 [18:33] <lembas> (yes I know you're not running Linux)
#2535 [18:33] <gPad2002> vox, shut up
#2536 [18:33] <cesar0001> do i open with or save file
#2537 [18:33] <lembas> save it
#2538 [18:33] <cesar0001> k
#2539 [18:33] <lembas> do your desktop, or something
#2540 [18:33] <lembas> to*
#2541 [18:34] <cesar0001> okay i have done that
#2542 [18:34] <lembas> now open a command prompt again
#2543 [18:34] <lembas> and cd to the directory you saved the .jar
#2544 [18:34] <cesar0001> whats cd?
#2545 [18:35] <cesar0001> i put it on my desktop
#2546 [18:35] <peru> shortcut for change directory
#2547 [18:35] <cesar0001> can you tell me what to type>?
#2548 [18:35] <lembas> hm is there a $HOME equivalent in Windows?
#2549 [18:35] <lembas> lol
#2550 [18:35] <lembas> well, what directory are you in now, cesar0001
#2551 [18:35] <DreadLindwyrm> yes. cd\
#2552 [18:35] <lembas> C:\BLAH>
#2553 [18:35] <peru> cd c:\documents and settings\username\Desktop
#2554 [18:35] <lembas> ok good
#2555 [18:35] <lembas> you're there already lol
#2556 [18:35] <lembas> type 'java -jar minecraft.jar'
#2557 [18:36] <lembas> oh wait
#2558 [18:36] * lembas r derp
#2558 [18:36] <lembas> not reading names
#2559 [18:36] <cesar0001> 0_0
#2560 [18:36] <lembas> lol
#2561 [18:36] <lembas> do what peru said
#2562 [18:36] <lembas> cd c:\documents and settings\username\Desktop
#2563 [18:36] <lembas> obviously replacing 'username' with your username
#2564 [18:36] <cesar0001> ok
#2565 [18:38] <lembas> then type 'java -jar minecraft.jar'
#2566 [18:38] <cesar0001> after that whad do i do
#2567 [18:38] <cesar0001> ok
#2568 [18:38] <lembas> it should launch minecraft?
#2569 [18:38] <cesar0001> wait
#2570 [18:39] <cesar0001> when i putted c:\documents and settings\username\Desktop
#2571 [18:39] <cesar0001> it said not recognizable
#2572 [18:39] <lembas> you forgot cd
#2573 [18:39] <lembas> cd before it
#2574 [18:39] <cesar0001> as a internal or external
#2575 [18:39] <cesar0001> oh
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#2577 [18:40] <cesar0001> now it said
#2578 [18:40] <cesar0001> the systme can not find the patched specified
#2579 [18:41] <lembas> >:|
#2580 [18:41] <lembas> what directory are you in now?
#2581 [18:41] <cesar0001> ??
#2582 [18:41] <lilomar> try: cd %HOMEPATH%\desktop
#2583 [18:41] <cesar0001> ok
#2584 [18:41] <cesar0001> then?
#2585 [18:41] <lembas> then type 'java -jar minecraft.jar'
#2586 [18:42] <gPad2002> If he has java
#2587 [18:42] <lembas> he does lol
#2588 [18:42] <gPad2002> He just needs to open the jar
#2589 [18:42] <lembas> oh
#2590 [18:42] <lembas> well I want the CLI output
#2591 [18:42] <lembas> to figure out why it's crashing
#2592 [18:42] <gPad2002> Oh right
#2593 [18:42] <gPad2002> OK
#2594 [18:43] <cesar0001> it says unable to access jar file minecraft.jar
#2595 [18:43] <gPad2002> did you PUT it there?
#2596 [18:43] <cesar0001> where
#2597 [18:43] <gPad2002> On your desktop
#2598 [18:43] <cesar0001> i think
#2599 [18:44] <gPad2002> You.. Think?
#2600 [18:44] <cesar0001> the title is minecraft and shows java
#2601 [18:44] <gPad2002> Look at your desktop
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#2603 [18:44] <cesar0001> i know
#2604 [18:44] <gPad2002> Is minecraft.jar there?
#2605 [18:44] <cesar0001> it says minecraft not minecraft.jar
#2606 [18:45] <lembas> damn windows and the hiding of file extensions
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#2608 [18:45] <cesar0001> wait
#2609 [18:45] <gPad2002> Just type minecraft into the terminal then
#2610 [18:45] <cesar0001> i think i messed up on downloading thing i put save file
#2611 [18:47] <cesar0001> hey i did it
#2612 [18:47] <cesar0001> mine craft thing opened
#2613 [18:47] <cesar0001> ask me to log in
#2614 [18:47] <cesar0001> do i do it/
#2615 [18:47] <cesar0001> ?*
#2616 [18:47] <gPad2002> Yes..
#2617 [18:47] <cesar0001> ok crashed
#2618 [18:48] <gPad2002> What showed up in the console?
#2619 [18:48] <cesar0001> ?
#2620 [18:48] <cesar0001> whats a console
#2621 [18:48] <gPad2002> The black window
#2622 [18:48] <cesar0001> nothing
#2623 [18:49] <gPad2002> Did you run it from there?
#2624 [18:49] <cesar0001> yeah...
#2625 [18:49] <gPad2002> Get the jar down to your desktop
#2626 [18:49] <gPad2002> And do the java line we said before
#2627 [18:49] <cesar0001> i put java -jar minecraft.jar
#2628 [18:49] <gPad2002> And it worked?
#2629 [18:50] <cesar0001> yeah it put minecraft and asked me to log in i logged in and crashed
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#2631 [18:50] <gPad2002> It should have returned an error...
#2632 [18:50] <cesar0001> it didnt
#2633 [18:50] <gPad2002> Looks like something else Notch fucked up..
#2634 [18:51] <cesar0001> :/
#2635 [18:51] <gPad2002> lembas: Ding ding ding
#2636 [18:51] <gPad2002> ...
#2637 [18:51] <gPad2002> Where'd he go?
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#2639 [18:51] <cesar0001> so i am unable to play minecraft until another update?
#2640 [18:51] <gPad2002> Wait, shh
#2641 [18:52] <peru> you should run it with command from console you'll get an error descr when it crashes
#2642 [18:52] <gPad2002> peru: We just tried that
#2643 [18:53] <gPad2002> Damn it, lembas, where are you?
#2644 [18:53] <GreyVulpine> Doing okay in here?
#2645 [18:53] <lembas> oh what
#2646 [18:53] <lembas> I was vacuuming lol
#2647 [18:54] <gPad2002> lembas: No CLI output
#2648 [18:54] <gPad2002> Lol
#2649 [18:54] <lembas> >:|
#2650 [18:54] <lembas> fucking windows
#2651 [18:54] <gPad2002> :P
#2652 [18:54] <lembas> well if it doesn't say anything to the console when it crashes, I'm lost
#2653 [18:54] <gPad2002> Same
#2654 [18:55] <gPad2002> Time to bring in the expert
#2655 [18:55] * gPad2002 pokes GreyVulpine
#2655 [18:55] <lembas> heh
#2656 [18:55] <GreyVulpine> Ow
#2657 [18:55] <gPad2002> :P
#2658 [18:55] <GreyVulpine> Hold on, I'm reading back
#2659 [18:55] <gPad2002> Alright
#2660 [18:55] <lembas> basically it crashes when he tries to update
#2661 [18:55] <peru> cesar0001:please click in the console on its icon (top left corner) with left mouse button, go to Edit, -> select all
#2662 [18:55] <lembas> and no console output either
#2663 [18:55] <peru> then again Edit -> copy
#2664 [18:55] <gPad2002> peru: No output
#2665 [18:55] <cesar0001> no already did updtae it just crashes when i log in
#2666 [18:56] <lembas> oh
#2667 [18:56] <lembas> well then
#2668 [18:56] <lembas> >:|
#2669 [18:56] <gPad2002> cesar0001: Does it work in the browser?
#2670 [18:56] <GreyVulpine> Has cesar0001 deleted .minecraft?
#2671 [18:56] <GreyVulpine> "not yet" means he's already got some old files in it that minecraft detected
#2672 [18:56] <GreyVulpine> And asked if he wanted to update them
#2673 [18:56] <lembas> ooh
#2674 [18:56] <lembas> ?? win/reinst
#2675 [18:56] <VoxelHead> win/reinst: You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#2676 [18:56] <VoxelHead> win/reinst: To do so, press your Windows+R keys, type in %AppData% at the run command, and press Enter. In the window that appears, open the .minecraft directory, and delete the bin directory that you see therein. Then, try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
#2677 [18:57] <lembas> ^ try that cesar0001
#2678 [18:57] <cesar0001> ok
#2679 [18:59] <cesar0001> hey
#2680 [18:59] <cesar0001> something is on my destop
#2681 [18:59] <cesar0001> hs_err_pid3660
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#2683 [19:02] <peru> thats file with error log
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#2685 [19:02] <cesar0001> http://pastebin.com/wkm7xqTr
#2686 [19:03] <lembas> oh ho it did give errors
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#2689 [19:07] <cesar0001> so why isn't it working?
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#2691 [19:08] <lembas> well I have no idea lol, I don't understand Java's errors
#2692 [19:08] <cesar0001> oh
#2693 [19:08] <GreyVulpine> Have you tried the original instructions on deleting .minecraft yet?
#2694 [19:08] <GreyVulpine> ?? win/reinst
#2695 [19:08] <VoxelHead> win/reinst: You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#2696 [19:09] <VoxelHead> win/reinst: To do so, press your Windows+R keys, type in %AppData% at the run command, and press Enter. In the window that appears, open the .minecraft directory, and delete the bin directory that you see therein. Then, try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
#2697 [19:09] <cesar0001> yeah
#2698 [19:09] <GreyVulpine> Does it still error out?
#2699 [19:09] <cesar0001> thats how i got the error
#2700 [19:09] <GreyVulpine> Ah, okay, then the error report indicates jvm, or java virtual machine erroring out
#2701 [19:09] <GreyVulpine> You'll want to look at uninstalling and reinstalling java
#2702 [19:09] <lembas> GreyVulpine knows what's up
#2703 [19:10] <cesar0001> how do i uninstal
#2704 [19:10] <GreyVulpine> Windows, right?
#2705 [19:10] <cesar0001> yeah
#2706 [19:11] <GreyVulpine> Start -> control panel ->
#2707 [19:11] <GreyVulpine> add/remove programs, or programs and features, whichever windows you have
#2708 [19:11] <GreyVulpine> And uninstall java from there.
#2709 [19:11] <GreyVulpine> After that, head to www.java.com and install java from there
#2710 [19:12] <mib_14vcbf> Is this a good room to contest an unjust ban?
#2711 [19:12] <cesar0001> is adobe flash player 10 plugin java??
#2712 [19:12] <GreyVulpine> cesar0001 - No.
#2713 [19:12] <LordEddi> mib_14vcbf: No.
#2714 [19:12] <wH> Dude are you high
#2715 [19:12] <wH> what
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#2717 [19:12] <cesar0001> I dont see a java file word thing
#2718 [19:13] <cesar0001> oh foudn it :D
#2719 [19:14] <cesar0001> I'm actually just a kid
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#2721 [19:16] <esper_wdnlgk> hello, I need help
#2722 [19:17] <esper_wdnlgk> I want to change my email on my minecraft account, It doesn't work.
#2723 [19:17] <cesar0001> Ok i have reinstalled java now what Grey?
#2724 [19:18] <GreyVulpine> Try minecraft again
#2725 [19:18] <GreyVulpine> esper_wdnlgk - Can't change your email
#2726 [19:18] <cesar0001> still srashed
#2727 [19:18] <esper_wdnlgk> but I need too
#2728 [19:18] <cesar0001> crashed
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#2730 [19:20] <esper_wdnlgk> Please anyone help me, I need to change my email :(
#2731 [19:20] <esper_wdnlgk> on my minecraft account
#2732 [19:20] <GreyVulpine> It is currently no possible to change your email
#2733 [19:20] <GreyVulpine> not*
#2734 [19:20] <esper_wdnlgk> why?
#2735 [19:20] <cesar0001> So grey thats all im able to do right now?
#2736 [19:21] <GreyVulpine> cesar0001 - Same error?
#2737 [19:21] <DreadLindwyrm> it isn't built into the database? Even if it was possible, we can't help you with it here. It'd be a job for Mojang themselves to deal with. (see the /topic)
#2738 [19:22] <GreyVulpine> It was possible, until people's accounts got hacked, and their emails were also changed along with their account's password
#2739 [19:22] <GreyVulpine> Caused massive grief
#2740 [19:23] <esper_wdnlgk> But I can verify my email for the account
#2741 [19:23] <cesar0001> an error didnt pop up this time it just crashed
#2742 [19:24] <GreyVulpine> esper_wdnlgk - If you feel the need to make your case for changing your email, try emailing support@mojang.com
#2743 [19:25] <GreyVulpine> cesar0001 - Hmm, You completely uninstalled java, and reinstalled it? Could you try rebooting?
#2744 [19:25] <cesar0001> sure but how would i come back here?
#2745 [19:25] <GreyVulpine> http://www.esper.net/publicirc.php
#2746 [19:25] <GreyVulpine> This channel is #minecrafthelp
#2747 [19:25] <cesar0001> ok
#2748 [19:25] <cesar0001> be back in a min
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#2751 [19:30] <cesar00001> Yeah Grey it stilled crashed
#2752 [19:31] <GreyVulpine> Same spot?
#2753 [19:31] <cesar00001> what do you mean
#2754 [19:31] <GreyVulpine> Did it crash right after trying to log in?
#2755 [19:31] <cesar00001> well
#2756 [19:32] <cesar00001> there was a green bar and when it was full it crashed
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#2758 [19:33] <lembas> GreyVulpine: would an atrocious video card cause such an error?
#2759 [19:34] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, don't know
#2760 [19:34] <cesar00001> i have other games on my computer could that be the problem?
#2761 [19:34] <GreyVulpine> Nothing in the error log suggests a video problem
#2762 [19:34] <GreyVulpine> All it really points to, is java
#2763 [19:34] <Awordofcaution> hi guys, need some advice. vanilla game, no mods at all playing in SMP. i build a large underground base on level 16. now i have a small redstone room for the workings of my combination lock which seems to have an endless slime spawn. i turn my back for 5 secs and end up with 8-10 slimes stuck in any nook and cranny they can get into.
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#2765 [19:35] <Awordofcaution> they get stuck under floors which causes me to be pushed arround
#2766 [19:35] <Awordofcaution> and annoy the hell outta me... any way to stop them spawning?
#2767 [19:35] <GreyVulpine> Unfortunately, no.
#2768 [19:36] <Awordofcaution> i read somewhere that half block floors or glass floors stop them, but then read that in fact they dont... do you have a difinitive answer on that one? be a pain to re floor the place to find it doesnt
#2769 [19:37] <DreadLindwyrm> Can you dig a couple of holes for them to fall down into a death trap?
#2770 [19:38] <Awordofcaution> hmm, i could try that. problem is they dont always spawn in open space, they can spawn INSIDE blocks
#2771 [19:38] <Awordofcaution> and get stuck
#2772 [19:38] <Awordofcaution> but their constant pusling exerts a force arround them
#2773 [19:38] <Awordofcaution> if a few get stuck in or arround a doorway it becomes unuseable untill i dig them out and kill them
#2774 [19:39] <Awordofcaution> iv had a good 15 or so down there at one point, just walkign from one side of the room to the other was a pain
#2775 [19:40] <Awordofcaution> its a 300x200x10 room i built starting at floor 16
#2776 [19:40] <Awordofcaution> took forever to mine out and get my building setup, now its damn near unuseable unless i wanna dig out a horde of slimes every 5 mins XD
#2777 [19:41] <cesar00001> ok
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#2779 [19:42] <DreadLindwyrm> Could you afford to break the room up a little with some walls - wiki says they need a lot of space to spawn. Or you could get some wolves and use them to hunt slimes.
#2780 [19:43] <Awordofcaution> they can sapwn in a 1x1 hole. hell like i said, they dont even need that, they can spawn inside a block sometimes. wolfes isnt a bad idea
#2781 [19:43] <Awordofcaution> just leave a few in the room
#2782 [19:43] <Awordofcaution> wolves^
#2783 [19:43] <Awordofcaution> excuse my typing, im tyred as hell
#2784 [19:43] <Awordofcaution> typos everywhere
#2785 [19:43] <Awordofcaution> tired >_> you know what i mean
#2786 [19:44] <DreadLindwyrm> They shouldn't be spawning inside blocks though... Sounds odd.
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#2788 [19:45] <Awordofcaution> yea, i mean if they just filled the room it wouldnt be that big of a deal, its the fact i keep having to dig them out that gets annoying
#2789 [19:45] <Awordofcaution> they spawn inside a block, and they can only move within the confines of the blocks attatched to that
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#2791 [19:46] <Awordofcaution> so if its a 1 block wide wall say, 4 bocks long and 2 high
#2792 [19:46] <Awordofcaution> they can move arround anywhere inside that wall
#2793 [19:46] <Awordofcaution> but cant get out of it
#2794 [19:46] <adamkex> how do you guys get rid of snow?
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#2796 [19:46] <m1r0> I am still having server connection reset problem
#2797 [19:47] <m1r0> Anyone can help?
#2798 [19:47] <DreadLindwyrm> adamkex - I use a shovel
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#2801 [19:48] <adamkex> DreadLindwyrm: for the entire world?
#2802 [19:49] <DreadLindwyrm> The whole world shouldn't be covered in snow. You only need to clear the bit you're using.
#2803 [19:49] <adamkex> ok..
#2804 [19:49] <DreadLindwyrm> Non-sunlight light sources get rid of it as well
#2805 [19:49] <adamkex> multiplayer server..
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#2809 [19:53] <agu10^> hi
#2810 [19:53] <Kealper> hi
#2811 [19:53] <agu10^> i'm having some issues with the server
#2812 [19:53] <agu10^> I had to power off the computer
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#2814 [19:53] <agu10^> so now I'm getting a null pointer exception when running the server program
#2815 [19:54] <agu10^> [INFO] Preparing level "world"
#2816 [19:54] <agu10^> [INFO] Preparing start region
#2817 [19:54] <agu10^> [SEVERE] Unexpected exception
#2818 [19:54] <agu10^> java.lang.NullPointerException
#2819 [19:54] <Kealper> there is a very good chance that the map is corrupt
#2820 [19:55] <agu10^> yes it must be
#2821 [19:55] <agu10^> how could I fix this?
#2822 [19:55] <DreadLindwyrm> What happens
#2823 [19:55] <DreadLindwyrm> Ignore that last. - wrong screen
#2824 [19:55] <Kealper> you might be able to use a program called MCEdit to fix it, but corrupt maps that are corrupt enough to crash are probably beyond help :/
#2825 [19:55] <Kealper> DreadLindwyrm: lol
#2826 [19:56] <DreadLindwyrm> I'm only in 6 chat rooms :D
#2827 [19:56] <Kealper> 6 instances of irssi? or just 6 channels? lol
#2828 [19:57] <DreadLindwyrm> Just 6 channels. On 4 servers.
#2829 [19:57] <agu10^> it's the first server i make
#2830 [19:57] <agu10^> it's been running for only 3 hours
#2831 [19:57] <agu10^> and it's already corrupted? heh
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#2833 [19:57] <Kealper> agu10^: don't play the lottery today then :P
#2834 [19:57] <DreadLindwyrm> It's probably worth looking at it with MCEdit, and seeing what it looks like. If it's trashed, start a new world.
#2835 [19:58] <Kealper> but yeah, what he said...if you have something important on the map, it couldn't hurt to check it out in MCEdit
#2836 [19:58] <DreadLindwyrm> If you can fix it then so much the better.
#2837 [19:58] * VoxelHead is back
#2837 [19:58] <Awordofcaution> ooh, question. kinda relavant. the SMP server i play on had a huge area of the map where all the sand one day decided to turn intself into gravel. that a corruption issue?
#2838 [19:58] <Kealper> o.o
#2839 [19:59] <Kealper> sounds more like an admin with WorldEdit or something wanted a gravel beach lol
#2840 [19:59] <Awordofcaution> admin didnt touch it
#2841 [19:59] <Awordofcaution> he was as confused as me lol
#2842 [19:59] <agu10^> how do you fix it with MCEdit ?
#2843 [19:59] <Kealper> that's...odd...
#2844 [20:00] <Awordofcaution> sand beach, server goes down to update for 1.5, comes back up, huge area of sand, not just the beach, all the way out into the ocean
#2845 [20:00] <Awordofcaution> now gravel :p
#2846 [20:00] <Kealper> i mean, i guess it's possible for that type of thing to happen from corruption, but...
#2847 [20:00] <DreadLindwyrm> Strange - I've got a few gravel beaches have turned up in worlds, but I haven't seen any change.
#2848 [20:01] <Kealper> that would literally be like a....ultra impossibly low chance of happening
#2849 [20:01] <Kealper> without hurting anything else, that is
#2850 [20:01] <DreadLindwyrm> agu^10 If you open the world with MCEdit and delete any anomalous blocks or replace them it might make the world load again.
#2851 [20:03] <m1r0> Whenever I try to connect to a server,I get a connection reset
#2852 [20:03] <TheNytangel> haha
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#2854 [20:04] <m1r0> any help?
#2855 [20:04] <GreyVulpine> Try smp.shadow-craft.net
#2856 [20:04] * Kealper must go afk now
#2856 [20:04] <GreyVulpine> If that works, it's the server you're trying to connect to
#2857 [20:04] <GreyVulpine> If it doesn't, something's wrong with your client
#2858 [20:04] <m1r0> It works!
#2859 [20:05] <m1r0> BUt that's strange, because I tried connecting to all the servers in the front list of McServerlist
#2860 [20:05] <m1r0> maybe the server started working again?
#2861 [20:05] <GreyVulpine> Most likely, the server's down
#2862 [20:06] <m1r0> Why can't I build anything on this server?
#2863 [20:06] <GreyVulpine> Many popular servers depend on a modded server file, "bukkit", which hasn't been updated for 1.5 yet
#2864 [20:06] <m1r0> Okay
#2865 [20:06] <GreyVulpine> So, many servers have either not updated, or have shut down in preparation for bukkit's release
#2866 [20:06] <m1r0> GreyVulpine: You don't have to put "bukkit" in quotes, I make mods, and I know what bukkit is
#2867 [20:07] <GreyVulpine> Sorry, many people don't when they come here for help
#2868 [20:09] <TheNytangel> GreyVulpine, what is "bukkit?"
#2869 [20:09] <TheNytangel> lol jk
#2870 [20:09] <TheNytangel> bukkit needs to get updated >:(
#2871 [20:10] <TheNytangel> i guess it is updated..
#2872 [20:10] <Broam> anyone have a list of public servers that support 1.5?
#2873 [20:11] <GreyVulpine> A master list of SMP servers doesn't exist
#2874 [20:11] <Broam> I would not expect it to. But maybe a public one
#2875 [20:11] <TheNytangel> www.mcserverlist.info ?
#2876 [20:11] <VoxelHead> I like edam best of all.
#2877 [20:11] <Broam> thanks
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#2879 [20:11] <TheNytangel> nope
#2880 [20:11] <TheNytangel> not that
#2881 [20:11] <VoxelHead> not that... nat
#2882 [20:11] <TheNytangel> something around that though
#2883 [20:11] <GreyVulpine> ?? smp/servers
#2884 [20:11] <VoxelHead> smp/servers: There currently is no master list of all SMP servers. Fan-made indexes include http://www.mcserverlist.net/ - http://www.reddit.com/r/mcservers - http://minecraftservers.net/ - http://minecraft.dk/mcserverlist/
#2885 [20:11] <VoxelHead> smp/servers: You can also find a list at the MC forums at http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewforum.php?f=1025. Also, try the #smp channel.
#2886 [20:11] <GreyVulpine> No public listing is broken down into versions though
#2887 [20:11] <Broam> Thanks VoxelHead
#2888 [20:11] <VoxelHead> no worries
#2889 [20:12] <Broam> GreyVulpine: I have a friend who runs one on a VPN, but the problem is that we can't get my brother-in-law on the VPN right now (friggin WIndows 7 and OpenVPN)
#2890 [20:12] <TheNytangel> i have vista. vista ftw
#2891 [20:12] * GreyVulpine blehs
#2891 [20:13] <Awordofcaution> best option id say is find someone recruiting for a private server and apply
#2892 [20:13] <Awordofcaution> troll free and less risk of the ownder decideing to take the server down losing you all your stuff
#2893 [20:13] <Awordofcaution> ownder^
#2894 [20:13] <TheNytangel> own..er?
#2895 [20:13] <Awordofcaution> >_>
#2896 [20:13] <Awordofcaution> iv been up arround 22 hours
#2897 [20:14] <Awordofcaution> my typing went down the pan about 8 hours ago
#2898 [20:14] <Broam> as I said, we have a private one already - but it's on a VPN (forget whitelisting... :D)
#2899 [20:14] <TheNytangel> yeah, on the way home from a trip, i kept almost falling asleep in the car, and i kept waking up cause i fell asleep and my head.. "died?"
#2900 [20:15] <TheNytangel> it like.. just fell
#2901 [20:15] <TheNytangel> im tired, btw :P
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#2904 [20:21] <mib_ejbzz3> when i try to play i get weird planes of color on my screen look http://i51.tinypic.com/144cgvr.png
#2905 [20:21] <gPad2002> Spay
#2906 [20:21] <gPad2002> Woah*
#2907 [20:21] <gPad2002> Frilly
#2908 [20:22] <gPad2002> Trippy*
#2909 [20:22] <Awordofcaution> to em that looks like your gfx card dying a painful screaming death
#2910 [20:22] <gPad2002> Damn autocorrect
#2911 [20:22] <gPad2002> Yes it does
#2912 [20:22] <GreyVulpine> Wow
#2913 [20:22] <GreyVulpine> That almost looks like my card when it was dying
#2914 [20:22] <Awordofcaution> only time i have ever had anything like that happen, a wire in my case had slipped blocking the GPU fan
#2915 [20:22] <AkiTensai> mib_ejbzz3: It would appear you have a unique problem. Kinda trippy.
#2916 [20:23] <Awordofcaution> it only happen in minecraft or all games?
#2917 [20:23] <mib_ejbzz3> it has happened on 1 other game
#2918 [20:23] <mib_ejbzz3> total war
#2919 [20:23] <Awordofcaution> first thing to try
#2920 [20:23] <gPad2002> Your card is dying
#2921 [20:23] <Awordofcaution> update ur gfx drivers
#2922 [20:23] <mib_ejbzz3> i updated it
#2923 [20:23] <Awordofcaution> but yea, id agree
#2924 [20:24] <Awordofcaution> looks like ur gfx card is on its way out tbh]
#2925 [20:24] <Awordofcaution> how old is the card?
#2926 [20:25] <mib_ejbzz3> its a NVIDIA GeForce 7300 LE
#2927 [20:25] <Awordofcaution> not under warranty still then id guess
#2928 [20:25] <mib_ejbzz3> yeah
#2929 [20:25] <Broam> you've got heat issues
#2930 [20:25] <mib_ejbzz3> no no heat issues
#2931 [20:26] <gPad2002> Ask for help
#2932 [20:26] <gPad2002> > nono they must be wrong
#2933 [20:26] <Awordofcaution> like i said, only time iv seen that on my system was my GPU fan got blocked and the card overheated
#2934 [20:26] <Awordofcaution> so heat issues sounds plausible
#2935 [20:26] <Broam> yeah, and sometimes the card recovers, and sometimes the damage is permanent
#2936 [20:27] <mib_ejbzz3> sometimes it will be ok for like 1 minute
#2937 [20:27] <Broam> put your hand on the heatsink
#2938 [20:27] <CelesteA> :3
#2939 [20:28] <AkiTensai> I also have only witnessed awesome graphics such as though for overheating, though a dieing card could explain it to.
#2940 [20:28] <mib_ejbzz3> computer isnt hot at all
#2941 [20:28] <Broam> heatsink of video card
#2942 [20:28] <Broam> is that hot?
#2943 [20:28] <AkiTensai> (Stupid SupCom2 taking so many resources)
#2944 [20:28] <Broam> this may require you removing screws
#2945 [20:28] <mib_ejbzz3> 1 sec
#2946 [20:28] <AkiTensai> You know, that part deep in the machine that you should touch even during normal operating tempature.
#2947 [20:28] <Awordofcaution> does supcom2 still have that AWESOME dual monitor support 1 had?
#2948 [20:29] <GreyVulpine> supcom2 kinda sucked compared to 1
#2949 [20:29] <Broam> AkiTensai: I touch heatsinks all the time. It's capacitors and power transformers that you should not
#2950 [20:29] <AkiTensai> Broam: Fair enough.
#2951 [20:29] <Awordofcaution> i was amazed when i found the sual monitor setting in supcom1
#2952 [20:29] <gPad2002> Broam: Does he know what the heatsink looks like?
#2953 [20:29] <Awordofcaution> it opened wat looked just like a theater of war map on my 2nd monitor
#2954 [20:29] <Broam> gPad2002: it's a giant metal thingie on the video card. It's hard to miss.
#2955 [20:29] <Awordofcaution> took a while before i realised with was a 2nd game window
#2956 [20:29] <gPad2002> True
#2957 [20:30] <Awordofcaution> you can actually controll 2 viewports at onces one on each monitor
#2958 [20:30] <Broam> gPad2002: still. We can walk xir through that
#2959 [20:30] <AkiTensai> Yes, SupCom 2 sucked compared to SC1 for various reasons. No map editor (not that one had a good one), lost flowing econ, didn't feel like TA.
#2960 [20:30] <gPad2002> Going, night all
#2961 [20:30] <AkiTensai> Awordofcaution: I think SupCom two supported it, but I didn't fool around with it.
#2962 [20:30] <Broam> l8
#2963 [20:30] <VoxelHead> night
#2964 [20:30] <mib_ejbzz3> my brother is checking
#2965 [20:30] <AkiTensai> VoxelHead: How long have you been here? Seriously.
#2966 [20:31] <Awordofcaution> it was OP tbh. being able to easily fight on 2 fronts symultaniously
#2967 [20:31] <Awordofcaution> fail spelling
#2968 [20:31] <Awordofcaution> please mentally insert the correct spelling
#2969 [20:31] <AkiTensai> Awordofcaution: In the case of ability to control, its only OP if your opponent can't do the same.
#2970 [20:31] <mib_ejbzz3> thanks cya
#2971 [20:32] <AkiTensai> mib_ejbzz3: Good luck
#2972 [20:33] <Awordofcaution> he shorts out his GFX card or mobo in the next 5 mins... taking bets NOW
#2973 [20:33] <AkiTensai> Awordofcaution: 3 cookies that he does.
#2974 [20:34] <Awordofcaution> :D
#2975 [20:34] <VoxelHead> ^_^
#2976 [20:34] <lembas> :>
#2977 [20:34] <AkiTensai> ^.^
#2978 [20:34] <Awordofcaution> brb
#2979 [20:35] <gPad2002> Scratch that
#2980 [20:35] <gPad2002> I'm staying on
#2981 [20:35] <Broam> nah, he'll just burn his finger
#2982 [20:36] <AkiTensai> "Holy crap, it is hot."
#2983 [20:36] <lembas> hmm did cesar00001 ever get his problem fixed? :o
#2984 [20:39] <AkiTensai> VoxelHead: When does 1.5_03 come out?
#2985 [20:39] <VoxelHead> Tomorrow.
#2986 [20:39] <lembas> I lol'd
#2987 [20:40] * lembas hugs vox
#2987 [20:40] <VoxelHead> *boing*
#2988 [20:40] <lembas> :o
#2989 [20:40] <lembas> :D
#2990 [20:40] <VoxelHead> gadzooks
#2991 [20:40] <VoxelHead> :)
#2992 [20:40] <AkiTensai> >D
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#2994 [20:45] <lembas> vox, turtles or bacon?
#2995 [20:45] <Awordofcaution> ok next nub question
#2996 [20:45] <VoxelHead> Lembas: actually, i think it's an ant.
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#2998 [20:45] <Awordofcaution> do roses respawn?
#2999 [20:45] <lembas> :o
#3000 [20:45] <GreyVulpine> nope
#3001 [20:45] <VoxelHead> *£*^~!!^£#$$£~^!#
#3002 [20:45] <Awordofcaution> damn
#3003 [20:45] <AkiTensai> Awordofcaution: As quickly as Coal blocks do.
#3004 [20:45] <Broam> lots of renewable and non-renewable resource talk
#3005 [20:46] <Awordofcaution> wait, coal respawns?
#3006 [20:46] <Broam> if you want renewable wool, there's white, grey, dk grey, black, brown, and green
#3007 [20:46] <GreyVulpine> No, it doesn't
#3008 [20:46] <VoxelHead> i don't wanna.... ok
#3009 [20:46] <Broam> Awordofcaution: no, only when you explore a new area ;D
#3010 [20:46] <VoxelHead> bye Bavb
#3011 [20:46] <Awordofcaution> im building a castle of epic proportions
#3012 [20:46] <AkiTensai> Respawn, no. If you head to new locations it may appear. ie, just as quick.
#3013 [20:46] <Awordofcaution> red carpets throughout
#3014 [20:47] <Awordofcaution> luckily wool isnt a problem
#3015 [20:47] <VoxelHead> I'm so happy :-)
#3016 [20:47] <Awordofcaution> someone on the server made a 1:1 scale american football field
#3017 [20:47] <Awordofcaution> its immense
#3018 [20:47] <AkiTensai> Awordofcaution: Single player or server based?
#3019 [20:47] <Awordofcaution> on a night you can do laps of it and by the time the sun comes up have a couple of stacks of wool
#3020 [20:47] <Awordofcaution> SMP
#3021 [20:47] <AkiTensai> (I want to see, I want ot see)
#3022 [20:47] <Awordofcaution> sec
#3023 [20:47] <Awordofcaution> i has map
#3024 [20:48] <Awordofcaution> a little outdated, IE the stadium arround it isnt on there
#3025 [20:48] <Awordofcaution> but the field itself is done
#3026 [20:48] <AkiTensai> <insert daily dislike of having to turn off second monitor to start the blasted game, unless another instance of MC is already started></rant>
#3027 [20:48] <Awordofcaution> crap, too big to upload to imageshack
#3028 [20:48] <AkiTensai> o.o
#3029 [20:49] <Awordofcaution> ill crop the map to just the field
#3030 [20:49] <Awordofcaution> we have a massive server
#3031 [20:49] <Awordofcaution> small group of irl friends and a few people they invited
#3032 [20:49] <Awordofcaution> server running on one of their spare home comps (beast of a computer and sick upload speed)
#3033 [20:50] <Awordofcaution> so there is no limits to map size
#3034 [20:50] <Awordofcaution> server is pretty huge with some cool stuff in it
#3035 [20:50] <AkiTensai> Friends with benefits... the online version? >.>
#3036 [20:50] <Awordofcaution> we also have a chicken called duncan. he is the god of blood and chicken feed
#3037 [20:50] <VoxelHead> I'm gonna sing the doom song now... dooom doom doom
#3038 [20:51] <Awordofcaution> out exploring one day we found a chicken that ran from one side of a n island, jumped into the water on the other side, climbed out, ran back across and jumped in the water again
#3039 [20:51] <VoxelHead> I got kiwi bubblegum!
#3040 [20:51] <lembas> :D
#3041 [20:51] <Awordofcaution> he spends ALL his time running from one side of this island to the other and jumping in the water
#3042 [20:51] <VoxelHead> ^_^
#3043 [20:51] <Awordofcaution> thus duncan
#3044 [20:51] <Awordofcaution> pronounced dunkin
#3045 [20:51] <Awordofcaution> like he dunks himself in the water alot :p
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#3048 [20:53] <mib_razc1t> go error when i start up my server
#3049 [20:53] <mib_razc1t> [SEVERE] Unexpected exception java.lang.NullPointerException at dg.c(SourceFile:72) at da.a(SourceFile:1767) at gr.d(SourceFile:468) at gn.c(SourceFile:66) at gn.b(SourceFile:87) at da.c(SourceFile:319) at da.a(SourceFile:276) at da.e(SourceFile:280) at da.a(SourceFile:218) at nn.a(SourceFile:51) at da.c(SourceFile:193) at da.<init>(SourceFile:171
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#3051 [20:53] <AkiTensai> I'm hungry for donuts now.
#3052 [20:53] <mib_razc1t> got*
#3053 [20:53] <mib_razc1t> anyone?
#3054 [20:53] <AkiTensai> Looks like a file read issue.
#3055 [20:53] <GreyVulpine> mib_razc1t - Try moving the world folder out
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#3057 [20:54] <VoxelHead> I like them :o)
#3058 [20:55] <AkiTensai> Vox: Me too.
#3059 [20:55] <BaVB> Hello
#3060 [20:55] <AkiTensai> o/ Welcome BaVB. If you have a question, ask away.
#3061 [20:55] <BaVB> Okay, yes, I do have a question
#3062 [20:55] <BaVB> I have all this wheat, but how do you make bread with it
#3063 [20:55] <AkiTensai> We have crafting in channel w? That is awesome.
#3064 [20:55] <AkiTensai> Three sideways.
#3065 [20:55] <mib_razc1t> server works now, but is my map fucked now?
#3066 [20:56] <VoxelHead> can i have 50:50?
#3067 [20:56] * w frowns
#3067 [20:56] <GreyVulpine> Most likely, yes mib_razc1t
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#3069 [20:56] <BaVB> Oh, okay, thank you
#3070 [20:56] <mib_razc1t> damn
#3071 [20:56] <Awordofcaution> ok cropped the pic
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#3073 [20:56] <Awordofcaution> uploading now
#3074 [20:56] <AkiTensai> BaVB: There is a wiki page of all the craft receipts if your interested in it.
#3075 [20:56] <mib_razc1t> does this happen often?
#3076 [20:56] <Awordofcaution> http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/3677/footballfieldm.jpg
#3077 [20:56] <AkiTensai> I wonder if a world viewer could open the mib_razc1t's map still.
#3078 [20:57] <Awordofcaution> to put that into perspective
#3079 [20:57] <Awordofcaution> http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/524/mapsd.jpg
#3080 [20:57] <AkiTensai> Looks like its to scale if you assume meters = yards?
#3081 [20:58] <Awordofcaution> one block = one yard
#3082 [20:58] <mib_razc1t> where does that mulitplayer map save? in worlds?
#3083 [20:58] <GreyVulpine> The entire world folder
#3084 [20:58] <mib_razc1t> guess backing up them every now and again would save some heartache
#3085 [20:59] <GreyVulpine> Indeed
#3086 [20:59] <AkiTensai> Awordofcaution: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Blocks The face of a block is 16x16 pixels, and each block is proportionately one cubic meter.[1] -> http://notch.tumblr.com/post/422515389/clearing-up-the-world-size-math
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#3088 [21:00] <AkiTensai> Unless your not saying that the game measures in yards and your scale calls the field 1 block to a yard, which would already mean my first statement true.
#3089 [21:00] <Awordofcaution> yea
#3090 [21:01] <Awordofcaution> for the sake of simplicity the guy who made the field just used 1 block as a yard
#3091 [21:01] <AkiTensai> ^.^ Good. Glad we got that pointless argument sorted out. >.>
#3092 [21:01] <Awordofcaution> i didnt mean that one block actually = one yard
#3093 [21:01] <Awordofcaution> just that the guy who made the field used that as his scale
#3094 [21:01] <AkiTensai> Oh ya, most defently. It would look horrible if something of a resize was done. Its the only means of which to do it.
#3095 [21:02] <Awordofcaution> its one hell of a wool farm though XD
#3096 [21:02] <VoxelHead> i can still see you
#3097 [21:02] <AkiTensai> "Ok, we're at .5 meters past the yard now, we're on the other side of this grid crossing"
#3098 [21:02] <AkiTensai> ^.^ Agreeable.
#3099 [21:02] <Awordofcaution> lol
#3100 [21:03] <AkiTensai> I want the servers to take this kind of screenshot daily or by variable time so that timelapse videos can be made.
#3101 [21:04] <Awordofcaution> he used to do daily maps
#3102 [21:04] <Awordofcaution> but the map got so big it takes FARM too long to render it
#3103 [21:04] <Awordofcaution> far^
#3104 [21:04] <Awordofcaution> so he tends to do it weekly now
#3105 [21:05] <AkiTensai> Automated, only occurs daily if server pop is 20% or lower to average daily, or once a week, whichever is shorter.
#3106 [21:06] <AkiTensai> Less likely to cause player issues, and doesn't become a chore for the operator.
#3107 [21:10] <Awordofcaution> sigh, i love the new boosted minecart tracks, but damn i was an artist with the old boosters. it just dont feel as satifying now getting a complex system working
#3108 [21:11] <Awordofcaution> http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/7057/20110208165154.png
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#3110 [21:11] <Awordofcaution> thats my old freight depot. you could send minecarts up from the mine at bedrock level and it would send an empty chest cart back down. once all the chest cart bays were full it would send down a rideable minecart
#3111 [21:12] <Awordofcaution> the sence of achievement when i got all the mechanical parts workign was great
#3112 [21:12] <TheNytangel> meh
#3113 [21:12] <TheNytangel> im watching the wizard of oz
#3114 [21:12] <AkiTensai> If Notch ever removes glitched bosters, I hope there is some cheat code to allow them to work.
#3115 [21:12] <Awordofcaution> im an artist with glitch boosters
#3116 [21:15] <AkiTensai> Seeing that track system, I suddenly want to create a rotating griefer server. Every hour, the loaded map moves on to the next submitted map to both explore someone else's creation, with full permission to destroy the copy. ^.^
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#3118 [21:16] <AkiTensai> Is there a page somewhere that outlines what is/isn't working in SMP vs single player?
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#3120 [21:17] <AkiTensai> Last I remember, mobs were spawnable in SMP, but couldn't take damage. I don't recall if that feature has been completed or not.
#3121 [21:17] <elliseek> Mobs seem to work on my SMP
#3122 [21:18] <AkiTensai> Excellent.
#3123 [21:18] <elliseek> @ least using a vanilla server
#3124 [21:19] <elliseek> haven't used bukkit in a while
#3125 [21:21] <PepaSmoliar> guys can i ask advise?
#3126 [21:21] <AkiTensai> PepaSmoliar: Lets hear the next question first.
#3127 [21:21] <PepaSmoliar> where should i turn to if i can tlog into my account
#3128 [21:22] <AkiTensai> http://www.minecraft.net/login.jsp -> Forgot Password? (assuming password issue)
#3129 [21:23] <PepaSmoliar> i tried that no email comming back
#3130 [21:23] <AkiTensai> If your sure you have the right password, I imagine Vox knows directions towards account recovery... but I don't know how to ask him.
#3131 [21:23] <AkiTensai> Oi. Spam folder?
#3132 [21:23] <PepaSmoliar> i tried mojang payment email no response
#3133 [21:23] <AkiTensai> How long has it been? I imagine with near 2 mil players it could take up to a week.
#3134 [21:24] <AkiTensai> That recovery page suggest contacting support, not payments.
#3135 [21:24] <PepaSmoliar> i gave it 5 days before i started go nervous and sent 1st mail its over 2 weeks since i bought the game and nothing
#3136 [21:25] <AkiTensai> VoxelHead: Help List
#3137 [21:25] <AkiTensai> ...Didn't think that would work. Anyone else know Vox's account recovery instructions command?
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#3139 [21:26] <elliseek> Just gonna quote the topic here but "We are not affiliated with Mojang and cannot help with account issues."
#3140 [21:27] <elliseek> also try get satisfaction: http://getsatisfaction.com/mojang
#3141 [21:27] <PepaSmoliar> thus my 1st question =) where should i turn to any other "official" site source i could look help for?
#3142 [21:28] <PepaSmoliar> k i try that ty
#3143 [21:28] <elliseek> np
#3144 [21:28] <AkiTensai> Good luck PepaSmoliar
#3145 [21:28] <elliseek> ya good luck
#3146 [21:29] <elliseek> when i bought it was instant and i have never had accound issues
#3147 [21:29] <elliseek> *account*
#3148 [21:29] <AkiTensai> Likewise.
#3149 [21:30] <elliseek> I like the planetoids map generator!
#3150 [21:30] <elliseek> :D
#3151 [21:30] <VoxelHead> :)
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#3153 [21:31] <smerft> hey xales?
#3154 [21:32] <smerft> my minecraft screen keeps going black but it doesnt shut down minecraft. the window just goes dark. any ideas?
#3155 [21:33] <smerft> voxel?
#3156 [21:33] <VoxelHead> no.
#3157 [21:33] <AkiTensai> Has potential to happen to me when I have interacted with the Nether. Common glitch.
#3158 [21:33] <smerft> grey?
#3159 [21:33] <smerft> no this just happens all the time
#3160 [21:33] <elliseek> hmm
#3161 [21:34] <smerft> i'll just be standing still and boom, black screen
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#3163 [21:34] <elliseek> got any mods installed
#3164 [21:34] <smerft> nope
#3165 [21:34] <elliseek> herm what ver?
#3166 [21:34] <smerft> even when i'm on my SMP server the screen goes black but i'm still in the server
#3167 [21:34] <smerft> it's happened since 1.3
#3168 [21:35] <elliseek> my guess is it is related to your hardware
#3169 [21:35] <smerft> what could be wrong?
#3170 [21:35] <elliseek> cuz it haz never happened
#3171 [21:35] <elliseek> check the get satisfaction
#3172 [21:35] <elliseek> http://getsatisfaction.com/mojang
#3173 [21:36] <elliseek> cuz it haz never happened *to me*
#3174 [21:36] <Dorian> any reason my worlds disappeared when i updated to 1.5 today?
#3175 [21:36] <elliseek> no
#3176 [21:37] <Dorian> that's depressing
#3177 [21:37] <elliseek> did u have a "custom launcher" or change the %appdata% variable in windows
#3178 [21:37] <AkiTensai> Dorian: If it worked as intended, the old worlds would be selectable right along with current worlds, marked "Needs to be converted"
#3179 [21:37] <Dorian> i wasnt that outdated
#3180 [21:38] <elliseek> thats what i thought
#3181 [21:38] <Dorian> i updated from 1.4 to 1.5, went to go on my world
#3182 [21:38] <Dorian> gone
#3183 [21:38] <AkiTensai> Wait... 1.5 wasn't the new worlds? My memory is failing.
#3184 [21:38] <Dorian> then checked my save folder
#3185 [21:38] <Dorian> and my stuff was missing
#3186 [21:38] <elliseek> no 1.2 or 1.3
#3187 [21:38] <elliseek> backups?
#3188 [21:38] <Dorian> i do have a backup, so not everything is lost
#3189 [21:39] <elliseek> try a file recovery app
#3190 [21:39] <elliseek> like PhotoRec
#3191 [21:39] <elliseek> free
#3192 [21:39] <elliseek> OSS
#3193 [21:39] <elliseek> or a quick google
#3194 [21:40] <elliseek> also did u check the trash?
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#3196 [21:41] <keret> hi
#3197 [21:41] <elliseek> hi
#3198 [21:42] <TheNytangel> man i hate myself
#3199 [21:42] <keret> hay who likes the new 1.5_01 minecraft?
#3200 [21:42] <Dorian> nothing in the trash, it just vanished
#3201 [21:42] <keret> realy why
#3202 [21:42] <TheNytangel> a long time ago i played a game on addictinggames.com.. it had to do with planes.. you put people on a plane and then sent it to some place
#3203 [21:42] <keret> and
#3204 [21:42] <smerft> so if i have mods then i need to remove the meta-inf from all the files?
#3205 [21:43] <TheNytangel> i cant remember the name of it
#3206 [21:43] <keret> ow
#3207 [21:43] <TheNytangel> smerft, yes
#3208 [21:43] <elliseek> YES
#3209 [21:43] <VoxelHead> awww
#3210 [21:43] * VoxelHead sniggers at keret
#3210 [21:43] <TheNytangel> nooooo
#3211 [21:43] <TheNytangel> smerft, no
#3212 [21:43] <TheNytangel> only the minecraft.jar
#3213 [21:43] <elliseek> always unless u leik to bork your mc
#3214 [21:43] <smerft> well i found a meta-inf in every zip file
#3215 [21:44] <TheNytangel> anyone ever play that game? i really liked it.. i wish to play it again
#3216 [21:44] <keret> i got a mod installed
#3217 [21:44] <elliseek> keret: yay which 1
#3218 [21:44] <keret> it's called toomanyitems
#3219 [21:45] <elliseek> that's a good 1
#3220 [21:45] <keret> i know
#3221 [21:45] <keret> right
#3222 [21:45] <TheNytangel> i also have it
#3223 [21:45] <elliseek> so is single player commands
#3224 [21:45] <elliseek> world edit for SSP
#3225 [21:45] <keret> i jest install random mods
#3226 [21:46] <keret> like the charrlote mod
#3227 [21:46] <elliseek> ?
#3228 [21:47] <elliseek> I rly want the Minecolony mod do be fixed
#3229 [21:47] <TheNytangel> damn it, i wish i coud remember that game name
#3230 [21:47] <TheNytangel> i thought it was called "flight attendant" but i guess not. if it was, then it was deleted
#3231 [21:47] <elliseek> so i can have servents do all the resource gathering :D
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#3233 [21:48] <keret> and the mod that had sharks and dolfine
#3234 [21:48] <keret> s
#3235 [21:48] <keret> l
#3236 [21:48] <elliseek> ooh never used MoCreatures
#3237 [21:48] <elliseek> i m too afraid of all the libs it needs
#3238 [21:49] <TheNytangel> i had the planes mod
#3239 [21:49] <elliseek> woot
#3240 [21:49] <VoxelHead> That's my favourite show.
#3241 [21:49] <TheNytangel> wut
#3242 [21:49] <elliseek> i never seen that 1
#3243 [21:49] <TheNytangel> lol
#3244 [21:49] <smerft> well it wasnt the meta-inf folders
#3245 [21:49] <keret> if you want it jest ask and ill be happy to get it and install it to minecraft and upload is to my site and give you ther link
#3246 [21:49] <keret> the
#3247 [21:49] <TheNytangel> VoxelHead, you are so random
#3248 [21:49] <TheNytangel> smerft, did you not listen to me?
#3249 [21:50] <smerft> what did you say?
#3250 [21:50] <TheNytangel> smerft, delete the meta-inf in the MINECRAFT.JAR file
#3251 [21:50] <TheNytangel> in the bin folder
#3252 [21:50] <smerft> it is
#3253 [21:50] <TheNytangel> thats the only one you delete
#3254 [21:50] <smerft> it WAS the only one deleted
#3255 [21:51] <TheNytangel> <smerft> well it wasnt the meta-inf folders
#3256 [21:51] <elliseek> but if the mods are giving altered meta-infs you each mod will break tha last
#3257 [21:51] <TheNytangel> emphasis on the S at the end of folder
#3258 [21:51] <keret> no jest in the minecraft.jar file
#3259 [21:51] <smerft> which is what i said
#3260 [21:51] <TheNytangel> -_-
#3261 [21:51] <TheNytangel> forget it
#3262 [21:51] <VoxelHead> ^_^
#3263 [21:51] <keret> there is a folder named META-INF delete it and it should work
#3264 [21:51] <keret> !
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#3266 [21:51] <VoxelHead> good heavens
#3267 [21:51] <elliseek> ?
#3268 [21:52] <BigMike> anyone here particularly good with redstone wiring
#3269 [21:52] <McPlusPlus> [MojangCommunity] World disappearance (Anonymous) - Mon, 25 Apr 2011 01:48:38 +0000
#3270 [21:52] <VoxelHead> *shakes head*
#3271 [21:52] <smerft> ok i deleted my bin
#3272 [21:52] <keret> me
#3273 [21:52] <TheNytangel> BigMike, yes
#3274 [21:52] <smerft> what do i delete?
#3275 [21:52] <elliseek> *im ok
#3276 [21:52] <BigMike> ok, so heres what im trying to do
#3277 [21:52] <elliseek> smerft: All meta-inf
#3278 [21:52] <keret> are you trying to install a mod
#3279 [21:52] <keret> only one
#3280 [21:52] <TheNytangel> smerft, C:\Users\<user>\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\bin <-- then open the minecraft.jar, and delete the meta-inf folder in that. none others
#3281 [21:52] <smerft> no my game jsut keeps crashing
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#3283 [21:53] <BigMike> i want a pressure swith that opens my door, then if a switch inside is not hit within so many seconds, it activates a dispenser to shoot an arrow at them, and if possible makes some sort of ruckus
#3284 [21:53] <elliseek> BigMike: what
#3285 [21:53] <keret> send me the minecraft folder to scott_bonfield1@hotmail.com and ill fix it!
#3286 [21:53] <TheNytangel> psh
#3287 [21:53] <TheNytangel> easy
#3288 [21:53] <TheNytangel> :P
#3289 [21:53] <elliseek> WOOT
#3290 [21:53] <VoxelHead> WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT.
#3291 [21:54] <TheNytangel> BigMike, is this single player?
#3292 [21:54] <BigMike> im running my own server
#3293 [21:54] <smerft> VoxelHead you must stop using caps or you will be booted
#3294 [21:54] <elliseek> expect LAG
#3295 [21:54] <smerft> :P
#3296 [21:54] <elliseek> maby
#3297 [21:54] <TheNytangel> BigMike, would you like me to join and help?
#3298 [21:54] <keret> what is the ip
#3299 [21:55] <elliseek> also this might take some space
#3300 [21:55] <keret> ?
#3301 [21:55] <keret> im here to help for anyone who is trying to install a mod
#3302 [21:56] <TheNytangel> help smerft then
#3303 [21:56] <keret> ok then
#3304 [21:56] <smerft> nope it didnt work
#3305 [21:56] <keret> what mod are you trying to install
#3306 [21:56] <Awordofcaution> sry im back
#3307 [21:56] <Awordofcaution> smerft
#3308 [21:56] <Awordofcaution> i had this EXACT problem a few days ago
#3309 [21:56] <smerft> completely deleteing and redownloading the bin didnt work
#3310 [21:56] <smerft> ?
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#3312 [21:56] <Awordofcaution> completely uninstall java
#3313 [21:56] <Awordofcaution> then download the latest version
#3314 [21:56] <Awordofcaution> and reinstall it
#3315 [21:57] <Awordofcaution> fixed mine right up
#3316 [21:57] <keret> WHAT MOD ARE YOU INSTALLING
#3317 [21:57] <smerft> NOTHING
#3318 [21:57] <TheNytangel> WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT
#3319 [21:57] <BigMike> sorry yall, chrome crashed, but nah, maybe some other time, i just wanted to see if it could be done
#3320 [21:57] <Awordofcaution> he isnt installing a mod
#3321 [21:57] <TheNytangel> lol
#3322 [21:57] <VoxelHead> you're on fire
#3323 [21:57] <Awordofcaution> the last update borked my MC
#3324 [21:57] <TheNytangel> yes, BigMike it can
#3325 [21:57] <Awordofcaution> and i just got a constant black screen to crash
#3326 [21:57] <keret> WELL WHAT IS THE PROBLOME
#3327 [21:57] <Awordofcaution> keret
#3328 [21:57] <Awordofcaution> problem fixed
#3329 [21:57] <keret> WHAT
#3330 [21:57] <Awordofcaution> stop shouting
#3331 [21:57] <keret> ?
#3332 [21:57] <smerft> it says i have the latest java version
#3333 [21:57] <Awordofcaution> i know
#3334 [21:57] * TheNytangel kicks keret :P
#3334 [21:57] <Awordofcaution> i did too
#3335 [21:57] <keret> sorry
#3336 [21:57] <Awordofcaution> uninstall it
#3337 [21:58] <Awordofcaution> and reinstall
#3338 [21:58] <Awordofcaution> make sure you do a FULL uninstall
#3339 [21:58] <Awordofcaution> dont just reinstall over the top
#3340 [21:58] <elliseek> TheNytangel: In the crotch
#3341 [21:58] <TheNytangel> open minecraft, before you login: options -> force update -> OK -> login
#3342 [21:59] <smerft> well brb
#3343 [21:59] <keret> anybody need help installing a mod?
#3344 [21:59] <TheNytangel> well
#3345 [21:59] <Awordofcaution> the problem is, if its the same as mine, when MC updated to the latest version my MC started just freezing on a black screen after the mojang logo like i had installed a mod and not deleted meta-inf
#3346 [21:59] <elliseek> @Awordofcaution @smerft get teamviewer and use that
#3347 [21:59] <Awordofcaution> even with a vanilla install
#3348 [21:59] <Awordofcaution> had to reinstall java to get it working again
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#3350 [22:00] <TheNytangel> im going back to play corporation inc
#3351 [22:00] <Awordofcaution> but after the java reinstall it worked fine
#3352 [22:00] <keret> yep get the new version of java
#3353 [22:00] <elliseek> oops he lefy
#3354 [22:00] <keret> then it should work
#3355 [22:00] <elliseek> y=t
#3356 [22:00] <keret> hag
#3357 [22:00] <Awordofcaution> he left to reinstall java already
#3358 [22:01] <keret> g=h
#3359 [22:01] <Awordofcaution> waaaay ahead of you keret :p
#3360 [22:01] <keret> ANY ONE NEED HELP INSTALLING A MOD?
#3361 [22:02] <elliseek> NO STOP SCREAMING IT HEARTS MY EARS!!!!!
#3362 [22:02] <keret> LOL
#3363 [22:02] <elliseek> brb
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#3365 [22:02] <killking72> ok if this doesnt work i'm goina cut all yall
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#3367 [22:03] <keret> I'M INSTALLING MODS FOR ANY ONE WHO NEED MODS
#3368 [22:03] <keret> ?
#3369 [22:03] <keret> !
#3370 [22:03] <VoxelHead> deary me
#3371 [22:03] <AndrewPH> Well-said VoxelHead
#3372 [22:03] <keret> I SAY YOU WOULDENT
#3373 [22:03] * VoxelHead is blown off feet by force of keret's statement
#3373 [22:04] <keret> VoxelHead is blown off feet by force of keret's statement
#3374 [22:04] <keret> RANDOME
#3375 [22:04] <keret> RANDOM
#3376 [22:04] <AndrewPH> keret is randumb
#3377 [22:04] <AndrewPH> the callout
#3378 [22:04] <AndrewPH> !!
#3379 [22:04] <keret> YOU WANA GO THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#3380 [22:04] <VoxelHead> ARRRRRGH!
#3381 [22:04] <AndrewPH> Calm down sir.
#3382 [22:05] <AndrewPH> I was simply stating the obvious
#3383 [22:05] <keret> BRB KILLING SOMEONE BYE TRAKING THEM DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#3384 [22:05] <bacon> lol randumb
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#3386 [22:05] <killking72> wtf
#3387 [22:05] <AndrewPH> keret, simply tracking somebody doesn't kill them.
#3388 [22:05] <bacon> CAPS AND EXCLAMATION MARKS ARE FUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#3389 [22:05] <AndrewPH> You need to do a bit more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#3390 [22:05] <killking72> minecraft just went boop and completely shut down
#3391 [22:06] <killking72> FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!
#3392 [22:06] <killking72> rageguy.jpg
#3393 [22:06] <AkiTensai> elliseek: Night time in open sky planetoids doesn't make sense!
#3394 [22:06] <AndrewPH> VoxelHead, do you have any input on this, my lord?
#3395 [22:06] <VoxelHead> hai
#3396 [22:06] <keret> carming down
#3397 [22:06] <AndrewPH> Immediately!
#3398 [22:07] <AndrewPH> keret, i get it! carming!
#3399 [22:07] <AndrewPH> you're turning into a car!
#3400 [22:07] <keret> brb
#3401 [22:07] <elliseek> AkiTensai: What?
#3402 [22:08] <AkiTensai> When planetoids is open sky (no ground), night time doesn't make sense. The sun would still be visible below.
#3403 [22:08] <AkiTensai> (I know MC doesn't support this, but it still breaks my brain)
#3404 [22:09] <AndrewPH> believe in the power of ponies and it will make sense
#3405 [22:11] <killking72> oh wow
#3406 [22:11] <killking72> minecraft did the same thing
#3407 [22:11] <elliseek> Ya true
#3408 [22:11] <killking72> java didnt fix anything
#3409 [22:12] <killking72> any more ideas?
#3410 [22:12] <elliseek> AkiTensai: but u are above a black hole so no light :D
#3411 [22:12] <Awordofcaution> u smurft?
#3412 [22:12] <killking72> yes
#3413 [22:12] <Awordofcaution> ok, no clue then. i had the same problem. reinstalling java fixed it for me
#3414 [22:13] <Awordofcaution> it do it every time you load MC or does it just do it randomly while playing?
#3415 [22:13] <elliseek> u on win/mac/*nix
#3416 [22:13] <killking72> randomly while playing
#3417 [22:13] <killking72> 7
#3418 [22:13] <Awordofcaution> ah in that case, MC crashes. ALOT sometimes.
#3419 [22:13] <VoxelHead> 7!
#3420 [22:13] <AkiTensai> >.> But below there is light during daytime (even in regular game in the holes of the bedrock)
#3421 [22:13] <Awordofcaution> just load it back up and carry on
#3422 [22:13] <AkiTensai> elliseek: ^
#3423 [22:14] <Awordofcaution> its a beta for a reason :p
#3424 [22:14] <killking72> not when it happens every 2 minutes
#3425 [22:14] <elliseek> it's MAJIC!!!!
#3426 [22:14] <Awordofcaution> i sometimes get crashes ever few mins, however iv gone a few hours now with only one crash
#3427 [22:14] <killking72> i get 2 minutes of play and every block i placed or destroyed gets put back
#3428 [22:14] <Awordofcaution> in a few more it might be back to crashing every few mins XD
#3429 [22:14] <knyrf> ??> killking72 win/reinst
#3430 [22:14] <VoxelHead> killking72: (win/reinst) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#3431 [22:14] <VoxelHead> killking72: (win/reinst) To do so, press your Windows+R keys, type in %AppData% at the run command, and press Enter. In the window that appears, open the .minecraft directory, and delete the bin directory that you see therein. Then, try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
#3432 [22:14] <Awordofcaution> SMP or SSP>
#3433 [22:14] <elliseek> AkiTensai: wat?
#3434 [22:14] <Awordofcaution> ?
#3435 [22:15] <Awordofcaution> he did that already i think voxel
#3436 [22:15] <killking72> voxel i've done that
#3437 [22:15] <xales> ._.
#3438 [22:15] <xales> VoxelHead = bot
#3439 [22:15] <Awordofcaution> MC reinstalled, java comepletely reinstalled
#3440 [22:15] <AkiTensai> elliseek: Have you ever seen a hole within the bedrock that allowed vision though the bottom of the world? If you drop down into it, you fall a long ways before being killed. There is a hole at the bottom of the world.
#3441 [22:15] <elliseek> what r your comp's specks
#3442 [22:15] <killking72> awordofcaution yes
#3443 [22:15] <xales> killking72: Has it always done that?
#3444 [22:15] <killking72> it's been doing that for about 2 or 3 patches
#3445 [22:15] <killking72> i think since 1.3
#3446 [22:15] <elliseek> AkiTensai: i no
#3447 [22:15] <xales> ??> killking72 win/dxdiag
#3448 [22:15] <VoxelHead> killking72: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "save log" file and save it to your desktop.
#3449 [22:16] <VoxelHead> killking72: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link you are sent to, and paste it here.
#3450 [22:16] <killking72> we've done this before with xales and i have enough balls in my computer to run minecraft
#3451 [22:16] <elliseek> hrm werry intewestig
#3452 [22:17] <xales> Try disabling graphic options - put it on "Fast" "Tiny" and smooth lighting and advanced opengl off
#3453 [22:17] <killking72> xales we've done that
#3454 [22:17] <killking72> it still shut down
#3455 [22:17] <elliseek> advanced opengl off ?
#3456 [22:17] <killking72> on both
#3457 [22:17] <xales> Make a new user account
#3458 [22:17] <VoxelHead> no, that doesn't make me horny
#3459 [22:17] <xales> try playing it on that
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#3461 [22:17] * xales smacks g
#3461 [22:18] <killking72> xales i've done that
#3462 [22:18] * elliseek smacks xales
#3462 [22:18] <elliseek> with a cookie
#3463 [22:18] <xales> killking72: and nothing?
#3464 [22:18] <killking72> nope
#3465 [22:18] <killking72> well no change
#3466 [22:18] <VoxelHead> Master?
#3467 [22:18] <Awordofcaution> it against the rules to talk about 3rd part software in here?
#3468 [22:19] <Awordofcaution> party^
#3469 [22:19] <xales> tried closing all other programs, including antivirus/firewall
#3470 [22:19] <xales> ?
#3471 [22:19] <xales> Awordofcaution: err, depends on what you mean
#3472 [22:19] <Awordofcaution> ok ill just say it
#3473 [22:19] <Awordofcaution> i installed gamebooster a few hours back
#3474 [22:19] <xales> we won't officially support anything that's not Minecraft, but you are free to talk about it
#3475 [22:19] <Awordofcaution> and iv only had one crash since
#3476 [22:19] <xales> lol...gamebooster
#3477 [22:19] <Awordofcaution> where i used to get crashes every 5 to 15 mins
#3478 [22:19] <xales> that's a huge scam/bullshit
#3479 [22:19] <Awordofcaution> that may be
#3480 [22:20] <Awordofcaution> but my minecraft is ALOT more stable
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#3482 [22:20] <Awordofcaution> used to be EVERY time i went from full screen to windowed or tabbed out it crashed
#3483 [22:20] <xales> not really surprising
#3484 [22:20] <xales> it's usually some stupid Windows component doing that
#3485 [22:20] <Awordofcaution> well it doesnt since installing GB
#3486 [22:20] <TyHi> Hello, could some one help me with a multiplayer problem?
#3487 [22:20] <Awordofcaution> i can sit and spam F11 to my hearts content
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#3489 [22:21] <xales> TyHi: What's the problem?
#3490 [22:21] <Awordofcaution> and its free anyway :p
#3491 [22:21] <TyHi> Any server i join has about a 40second lag
#3492 [22:21] <killking72> pay more for your internet
#3493 [22:21] <xales> TyHi: http://speedtest.net/ paste the results
#3494 [22:21] <TyHi> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1267217430.png
#3495 [22:22] <xales> the upload is...really low, but it should be fine
#3496 [22:22] <xales> ??> TyHi win/reinst
#3497 [22:22] <VoxelHead> TyHi: (win/reinst) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#3498 [22:22] <VoxelHead> TyHi: (win/reinst) To do so, press your Windows+R keys, type in %AppData% at the run command, and press Enter. In the window that appears, open the .minecraft directory, and delete the bin directory that you see therein. Then, try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
#3499 [22:22] <TyHi> Also in single player I get 60-120 fps
#3500 [22:22] <elliseek> i aree with killing
#3501 [22:22] <killking72> i agree with elliseek
#3502 [22:23] <killking72> fps doesnt mean good internet
#3503 [22:23] <killking72> or no lag
#3504 [22:23] <TyHi> Yeah will I have a friend who has the same isp but slower speeds yet does not have this problam
#3505 [22:24] <TyHi> There is a myth that single player commands cause the problem?
#3506 [22:24] <killking72> how far away from said server are you?
#3507 [22:24] <elliseek> that’s hard 2 tell
#3508 [22:24] <TyHi> It doesn't matter.
#3509 [22:24] <killking72> yea it does
#3510 [22:24] <TyHi> Anyserver
#3511 [22:24] <xales> TyHi: Try "smp.shadow-craft.net"
#3512 [22:25] <TyHi> Germany to Down the street it lags
#3513 [22:25] <killking72> well you gotta remember, the server might not have the upload to make the game not laggy to you
#3514 [22:25] <xales> also...are you connected to the Internet over wifi?
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#3516 [22:25] <TyHi> yeah but i have tried wired
#3517 [22:26] <elliseek> what kind of eathernet card u have 10, 10/100, 10/100/1000
#3518 [22:26] <TyHi> I really don't know...
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#3520 [22:26] <xales> TyHi: Did you try reinstalling like I suggested?
#3521 [22:26] <TyHi> uhh lemme try
#3522 [22:27] <elliseek> ok
#3523 [22:27] <elliseek> how many computers do u share the internet with
#3524 [22:27] <elliseek> or do u torrent alor
#3525 [22:28] <elliseek> a lot
#3526 [22:28] <TyHi> no
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#3528 [22:28] <elliseek> other network intensive apps
#3529 [22:28] <Mine0210> Is there anyway I can get the fixed heartbeat for D3?
#3530 [22:28] <killking72> ok i loaded my drivers
#3531 [22:28] <xales> Mine0210: What?
#3532 [22:28] <killking72> for my video card
#3533 [22:28] <Mine0210> I'm trying to set up a D3 server
#3534 [22:29] <Mine0210> But it won't appear in the server list
#3535 [22:29] <Mine0210> People can connect
#3536 [22:29] <xales> Oh
#3537 [22:29] <xales> Read the topic
#3538 [22:29] <xales> we don't provide support for third party servers, sorry
#3539 [22:29] <Mine0210> But only if they have a direct url (ie ip=98.203.219.118&port=25565
#3540 [22:29] <Mine0210> baww
#3541 [22:29] <TyHi> Yeah didn;t work
#3542 [22:30] <xales> TyHi: Do you have a firewall running?
#3543 [22:30] * QuantumBeep [QuantumBeep@notlogged] has left #minecrafthelp
#3544 [22:30] <TyHi> Actually no.
#3545 [22:31] <xales> Do a speedtest with Minecraft open and connected to a server
#3546 [22:31] <TyHi> ok...
#3547 [22:31] <elliseek> is this classic or beta
#3548 [22:31] <TyHi> beta 1.5_01
#3549 [22:31] <elliseek> oops ment mine
#3550 [22:32] <elliseek> mine0210
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#3552 [22:32] <TyHi> here: http://www.speedtest.net/result/1267232859.png
#3553 [22:33] <BigMike> upload is painfully low
#3554 [22:33] <TheNytangel> well
#3555 [22:33] <TheNytangel> im bored
#3556 [22:33] <VoxelHead> YOU'RE bored? feel these nipples!
#3557 [22:33] <TheNytangel> lolwtfbbq
#3558 [22:33] <TheNytangel> wut
#3559 [22:34] <TyHi> BugMike: Yeah I know
#3560 [22:34] <TyHi> BigMike*
#3561 [22:34] <xales> TyHi: I think it might be the upload...
#3562 [22:34] <killking72> damnit
#3563 [22:34] <killking72> video drivers werent the problem
#3564 [22:34] <TyHi> Like I said I know some one who has a lower speed
#3565 [22:35] <TheNytangel> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1267234659.png
#3566 [22:35] <TheNytangel> :P
#3567 [22:35] <TyHi> lol
#3568 [22:35] <TheNytangel> is it me?
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#3571 [22:36] <TyHi> let me give you friends results...
#3572 [22:37] <Mloeven> has anyone ever loaded a game to find that a powered rail has randomly gone dead in the middle of the line for no reason even though the redstone wire is still attached and powered
#3573 [22:37] <TheNytangel> nope
#3574 [22:37] <TheNytangel> barely used them
#3575 [22:37] <Mloeven> removing and replacing the wire segment reactivates the dead rail but i keep having to do this to several of them each time i load the game
#3576 [22:37] <TyHi> here: http://www.speedtest.net/result/1267236115.png
#3577 [22:37] <TyHi> thats his
#3578 [22:38] <TheNytangel> mine are still worse
#3579 [22:38] <xales> TyHi: Yeah, his upload is almost twice yours
#3580 [22:38] <TyHi> Yeah they are...
#3581 [22:38] <TheNytangel> im slower than 83% of the US
#3582 [22:39] <Mloeven> the issue seems to be with the redstone circuitry
#3583 [22:39] <killking72> hmmm...maybe i shouldnt be watching a movie on itunes at the same time i'm running minecraft on max video settings
#3584 [22:39] <TheNytangel> Mloeven, since the 1.5 update, my redstone torches in SMP havent been working
#3585 [22:39] <TheNytangel> like for pressure plates for double doors
#3586 [22:39] <Mloeven> smp is what again i dont know all the acronyms
#3587 [22:39] <TheNytangel> survival multiplayer
#3588 [22:39] <TheNytangel> or just multiplayer
#3589 [22:39] <Mloeven> i am using singleplayer
#3590 [22:40] <elliseek> Mloeven do you happen to have Zan's minimap installed
#3591 [22:40] <Mloeven> unless he updated it to 1.5 than no
#3592 [22:40] <Mloeven> i do have automap
#3593 [22:40] <Mloeven> i find it is more convienant
#3594 [22:40] <Mloeven> also larger
#3595 [22:40] <elliseek> external prog right?
#3596 [22:41] <Mloeven> it is a mod that sents map data to an external viewer which gives you a top down of the world and you can scroll levels and see mobs
#3597 [22:41] <Mloeven> kinda like a survay scanner
#3598 [22:41] <Mloeven> gpr
#3599 [22:41] <killking72> hmm
#3600 [22:41] <Mloeven> but i dont think it interacts with the game just dump data to the viewer
#3601 [22:41] <killking72> it isnt my CPU being used too much
#3602 [22:42] <Mloeven> is it possible the wire is on a bad block ???
#3603 [22:42] <killking72> did everybody give up on helping me?
#3604 [22:42] <elliseek> zans minimap has been known to cause redstone to randomly break it could be that automap uses the same code that causes this bug.
#3605 [22:42] <xales> killking72: I have no idea, sorry
#3606 [22:42] <elliseek> same here killing sorry
#3607 [22:42] <Mloeven> well the mod isn't installed on this computer but i do copy the saves
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#3609 [22:43] <killking72> it's happening on servers that i use seeds on
#3610 [22:43] <Mloeven> gaaah not again
#3611 [22:43] <killking72> and it happens a lot when i'm running my server on my computer
#3612 [22:44] <elliseek> waht killing?
#3613 [22:44] <Mloeven> can someone change minecarts to be a bit more realistic so when they hit a pig or zombie going at top speed they dont just change direction but rather smash it out of the way
#3614 [22:44] <killking72> my screen goes black a lot when i'm running my server or when i'm on a map that i entered a seed
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#3616 [22:44] <Mloeven> or instead of changing direction it just tosses you out and stops
#3617 [22:44] <Awordofcaution> back again
#3618 [22:44] <Awordofcaution> i can explain the powered rail thing
#3619 [22:45] <elliseek> there has been talk of fixing minecarts to kill animals and mobs if they hit them
#3620 [22:45] <Mloeven> really
#3621 [22:45] <Mloeven> the issue is how do you make it do that but stil stop when a player pushes it
#3622 [22:45] <elliseek> i think that a mod also can do this
#3623 [22:45] <Awordofcaution> it is a glitched caused by any redstone wire or powered rails that cross chunk boundrys
#3624 [22:46] <elliseek> hmm
#3625 [22:46] <Mloeven> so adding another repeater there so that it has power from boths sides should fix it
#3626 [22:46] <killking72> whats the website called? getsatasfaction/mojang?
#3627 [22:46] <Mloeven> how do you detect chunk boundries
#3628 [22:46] <Awordofcaution> look for the rails that are half powereed half not
#3629 [22:46] <Awordofcaution> the dividing line is a boundry
#3630 [22:47] <killking72> nvm
#3631 [22:47] <xales> killking72: actually wait...have you tried running it with antivirus disabled (if you happen to be running one)?
#3632 [22:47] <Awordofcaution> i have an EPIC long redstrone wire that switches a track section a long way away from my station
#3633 [22:47] <killking72> yes it's up
#3634 [22:47] <Mloeven> i could just remove the 2 powered rails and replace them with standards
#3635 [22:47] <TheNytangel> Mloeven, use redstone, TNT, detector track, powered track not connected to redstone or detector :)
#3636 [22:47] <killking72> i think i've tried this before
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#3638 [22:47] <Awordofcaution> and i have to have the cart trigger pressure plates at sections down the path to "refresh" the current in the wire
#3639 [22:47] <Awordofcaution> because it has the same problem of being powere one block, dead the next
#3640 [22:48] <Mloeven> though for the chunk boundry i could just use normal rails and let it coast
#3641 [22:48] <Awordofcaution> yea you cou;d
#3642 [22:48] <Mloeven> the power for the rails comes from a second line of blocks carrying repeaters and wire
#3643 [22:48] <Awordofcaution> or have a torch on eaither side of the boundry
#3644 [22:48] <Awordofcaution> no need
#3645 [22:49] <Awordofcaution> just whack a redstone torch next to the track
#3646 [22:49] <Awordofcaution> :p
#3647 [22:49] <Awordofcaution> crude but it works
#3648 [22:49] <Mloeven> the issue is that the wire seems to cross the boundry fine
#3649 [22:49] <Mloeven> all the repeaters are active
#3650 [22:49] <Mloeven> so what is the difference
#3651 [22:49] <Awordofcaution> good question, no idea :p
#3652 [22:49] <killking72> antivirus is down and i ran minecraft as admin but it still went black
#3653 [22:50] <Mloeven> maby since the powered rails are new their code isn't as stable as the rest of the redstone stuff
#3654 [22:50] <Awordofcaution> all i know is if a wire goes past the point where the server stops updating chunks out of range of the player, changes in redstone current dont go past that point
#3655 [22:50] <Awordofcaution> if the wire is fine, the tracks should be too
#3656 [22:52] <Mloeven> maby just a fluke
#3657 [22:53] <Mloeven> so could someone explain chunks for me
#3658 [22:53] <Mloeven> not quite sure i follow
#3659 [22:53] * VoxelHead is away: toilet
#3659 [22:53] <Awordofcaution> each 32x32x128 ( i think) area of blocks is one chunk
#3660 [22:54] <Mloeven> i am guessing if is like a area transition so the game doesent have to render a entire infinate randomly generated world
#3661 [22:54] <Awordofcaution> pretty much
#3662 [22:54] <Mloeven> and chunks also save where you have been so that the world isn't shuffled each load ??
#3663 [22:54] <Awordofcaution> as you explore new chunks are generated
#3664 [22:54] <Awordofcaution> and saved
#3665 [22:55] <killking72> is there any way to make the jar work for my single player client?
#3666 [22:55] <elliseek> ???
#3667 [22:55] <elliseek> what killing72
#3668 [22:55] <killking72> if i download the .jar not the .exe
#3669 [22:55] <elliseek> ya dbbl klick
#3670 [22:55] <killking72> ?
#3671 [22:56] <xales> killking72: you shouldn't use the jar on Windows
#3672 [22:56] <Mloeven> do you know of a good map editor that can edit the chunks for a saved game using a cad like gui
#3673 [22:56] <TheNytangel> java -Xmx1024M -Xms512M -cp Minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame
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#3675 [22:56] <xales> it's literally the same thing, it just doesn't launch it properly
#3676 [22:56] <xales> Mloeven: MCEdit is really the only good GUI one that I've seen
#3677 [22:56] <killking72> well this guy had the same problem i did and that fixed it for him. he was on windows also
#3678 [22:57] <elliseek> and the only one that works wit MCregion
#3679 [22:57] <Mloeven> what are the supported oses
#3680 [22:57] <elliseek> there is no problem with using the jar
#3681 [22:57] <elliseek> i use the portable minecraft launcher from portableapps.com
#3682 [22:58] <elliseek> and that uses the jar
#3683 [22:58] <killking72> would this be caused by haveing x32 java runtime environment when i have a x64 OS?
#3684 [22:58] <LordTrevor> @_@ i can see the future. And it is GLORIOUS
#3685 [22:58] <xales> killking72: possibly
#3686 [22:58] <xales> you should try uninstalling all installed versions of Java, and only install an x86_64 one
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#3688 [23:00] * elliseek Whacks LordTrevor upside the head :@
#3688 [23:01] <Mloeven> ... if a chunk is only 32/32 than my railroad crosses at least 5 of them and only one rail goes dead ....
#3689 [23:01] <TheNytangel> just a small town girl, livin in a lonely, took the midnight train goin anywhere
#3690 [23:01] <Awordofcaution> mloven
#3691 [23:01] <TheNytangel> just a city boy, born and raised in south detroit, he took the midnight train goin anywhere
#3692 [23:01] <Awordofcaution> the game only keeps track of chunks a certain distance from you
#3693 [23:01] <TheNytangel> man, i just had to bust out in son randomly
#3694 [23:01] <Awordofcaution> any chunks outside that range are dead chunks
#3695 [23:02] <Awordofcaution> any Prails/wire that crosses into a dead chunk
#3696 [23:02] <elliseek> ya
#3697 [23:02] <Awordofcaution> chaning in power STOP at that boundry
#3698 [23:02] <Awordofcaution> changes^
#3699 [23:02] <Mloeven> what is the dead chunk boundry
#3700 [23:03] <xales> I think it only loads the chunks that you can see
#3701 [23:03] <Mloeven> i cant see from my base to the mine
#3702 [23:03] <Mloeven> and once i replace the wire it is good untill i exit and reload
#3703 [23:03] <Awordofcaution> nah its a fair bit further than you can see xales
#3704 [23:03] <elliseek> i m supprised that people are able to do longdtistance minecarts
#3705 [23:03] <Awordofcaution> i can find out but its gonna be a ballache
#3706 [23:03] <Mloeven> it doesent go dead every time i walk away
#3707 [23:04] <xales> Awordofcaution: You can "see" all loaded chunks, but they are just culled
#3708 [23:04] <elliseek> if this was smp
#3709 [23:04] <elliseek> their used to be a mod
#3710 [23:04] <Awordofcaution> ah ok
#3711 [23:04] <elliseek> to spawn bots
#3712 [23:04] <Awordofcaution> xales
#3713 [23:04] <Awordofcaution> not xales
#3714 [23:04] <Mloeven> it is not SMP
#3715 [23:04] <Awordofcaution> i mean mloev
#3716 [23:04] <elliseek> to keep chunks active
#3717 [23:04] <Awordofcaution> simple solution
#3718 [23:05] <Mloeven> i dont think it is a chunk issue
#3719 [23:05] <elliseek> i no
#3720 [23:05] <Awordofcaution> stick a detector track near the point where it breaks
#3721 [23:05] <Awordofcaution> in the middle of the powered rail
#3722 [23:05] <Mloeven> ok
#3723 [23:05] <Mloeven> i can try that
#3724 [23:05] <Awordofcaution> as the cart passes over it it will "refresh" the current in the track on either side of it
#3725 [23:05] <killking72> i think i found out how to fix it
#3726 [23:05] * LordTrevor [LordTrevor@notlogged] has left #minecrafthelp
#3727 [23:05] <killking72> http://getsatisfaction.com/mojang/topics/minecraft_client_crashing_to_black_screen_in_game
#3728 [23:07] <Mloeven> is still dont understand how it only happens when i load the game and once i fix it it stays fixed no matter how far away i get
#3729 [23:07] <Awordofcaution> not sure
#3730 [23:08] <Awordofcaution> ok talk me though this. or tahter tell me if im right here
#3731 [23:08] <Awordofcaution> so you have a Prail with point going to it
#3732 [23:08] <Mloeven> every rail on the track is a prail
#3733 [23:08] <Awordofcaution> but half way up the powered track, the power stops?
#3734 [23:08] <Mloeven> no
#3735 [23:08] <Mloeven> just one track segment is dead
#3736 [23:08] <Mloeven> one block
#3737 [23:09] <Awordofcaution> so PPPPPPDPPPPPPP
#3738 [23:09] <Mloeven> if i remove and replace the nearest wire
#3739 [23:09] <Awordofcaution> where p is powered and D is dead?
#3740 [23:09] <Mloeven> it comes back
#3741 [23:09] <Mloeven> yes like that
#3742 [23:09] <Mloeven> sd
#3743 [23:09] <Mloeven> d
#3744 [23:09] <Awordofcaution> ok, always the same track?
#3745 [23:09] <Mloeven> this is how the track is set up
#3746 [23:09] <Awordofcaution> same exact block?
#3747 [23:09] <Mloeven> yeah
#3748 [23:10] <Mloeven> it only happens when i first load the game
#3749 [23:10] <Awordofcaution> ok then that isnt the porblem i was talkign about
#3750 [23:10] <Mloeven> once i reactivate it by replacing the wire it will continue working
#3751 [23:10] <Awordofcaution> my bad
#3752 [23:10] <Awordofcaution> problem^
#3753 [23:10] <Awordofcaution> ok one fix that might work
#3754 [23:10] <Awordofcaution> one fix that will work
#3755 [23:10] <Awordofcaution> try giving that one block its own power source
#3756 [23:10] <Mloeven> heres the rail system W = wire R= repeater T= torch P D
#3757 [23:10] <Awordofcaution> stick a redstone torch next to it
#3758 [23:11] <Mloeven> WWWWWWWWRWWWWWWWWWRWWWWWWW
#3759 [23:11] <Awordofcaution> if not, just stick a normal track peice in there
#3760 [23:11] <Mloeven> w w w
#3761 [23:11] <Mloeven> dang i cant do it in ascii
#3762 [23:11] <Awordofcaution> its fine i get ya
#3763 [23:12] <Mloeven> there are 2 paralel rail beds
#3764 [23:12] <Mloeven> a gap inbetween
#3765 [23:12] <Awordofcaution> like i said, try just giving that block its own power input
#3766 [23:12] <Mloeven> ok
#3767 [23:12] <Awordofcaution> instead of it getting power from the track before it
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#3769 [23:13] <Mloeven> but have you ever found an infinate cave in minecraft
#3770 [23:13] <Mloeven> i think i have
#3771 [23:13] <CruelNoise> infinite*
#3772 [23:14] <Mloeven> i have been torching it out for several days now and still cant find all the ends
#3773 [23:14] <Mloeven> ended up just boarding up some of the side tunnels because i was getting exhausted of exploring
#3774 [23:14] <Awordofcaution> in my first ever SSP world i found a cave system i got bored of exploring long before i found all the offshoots
#3775 [23:14] <Awordofcaution> it seemed pretty never ending
#3776 [23:15] <Awordofcaution> never finished torching it all up
#3777 [23:15] <Awordofcaution> lost the save
#3778 [23:15] <xales> Awordofcaution: It's common (and I think probable) that large caves will actually go on forever
#3779 [23:15] <xales> (it will continue to generate them)
#3780 [23:15] <Mloeven> one of the chambers is so big i was able to build a surface sized fortress in the center of it :P
#3781 [23:17] <AkiTensai> The world is finite, therefore the caves are finite. The size of the world is incredibly large, and as walking on the surface side to side takes lifetimes, exploring a cave system that happen to stretch wall to wall would take that much more time.
#3782 [23:17] <Mloeven> you know is there a way to disable creepers while allowing all other mob types to spawn normally
#3783 [23:17] <Mloeven> peacefull is too dang boring and normal gets my shit destroyed too eaisly
#3784 [23:17] <AkiTensai> Mloeven: If you find a mod that does that, link it to me. >.>
#3785 [23:17] <Mloeven> wonder if you could simply remove them from the game
#3786 [23:18] <Awordofcaution> you should try "youARethecreeper"
#3787 [23:18] <killking72> how do you get the linux.jar to run?
#3788 [23:18] <AkiTensai> Mods are able to do interesting things. I don't see why "see creeper delete creeper" wouldn't be posible.
#3789 [23:18] <killking72> the linux minecraft.jar
#3790 [23:18] <Mloeven> i want a mod that replaces the creeper with a alqueda operative and replaces the hissing with that thing they yell
#3791 [23:18] <Awordofcaution> its a mod that makes you a creeper with the ability to explode at will, and fills the world with npc miners
#3792 [23:18] <xales> killking72: "java -Xmx1G -Xms1G -jar minecraft.jar"
#3793 [23:18] <Mloeven> hahahahahah
#3794 [23:18] <AkiTensai> killking72: Same way as windows. There is a page for that on the main site. or xales has it memorized.
#3795 [23:18] <killking72> make a .bat that does that?
#3796 [23:19] <xales> Yes
#3797 [23:19] <AkiTensai> killking72: Best way to do it.
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#3799 [23:19] <killking72> IN the folder that has the minecraft.jar?
#3800 [23:19] <xales> Yes
#3801 [23:19] <Mloeven> they should make youarethecreeper into a multiplayer admin toy that he can actually take controll of a creeper kinda like possess familiar in rpg's
#3802 [23:20] <Krenos> Yo, have a weird problem on the client(friends) side they cant connect to my server, that was able to while on my network and i realize it is different than connecting over the internet but it proves that it can be done, my server is DMZed and my Firewall is disabled. They are using my public IP. Any suggestions?
#3803 [23:21] <xales> Krenos: Did you put an IP in the server.properties file?
#3804 [23:21] <Krenos> no it is as i downloaded it
#3805 [23:21] <killking72> wow
#3806 [23:21] <killking72> the .bat version of minecraft looks amazing
#3807 [23:22] <xales> killking72: it's...not any different?
#3808 [23:23] <xales> Krenos: What IP are they trying to connect to?
#3809 [23:23] <Krenos> my public ip i got from WhatismyIP.com
#3810 [23:23] <xales> !check c-98-223-16-129.hsd1.in.comcast.net
#3811 [23:23] <xales> ^that?
#3812 [23:24] <Krenos> the first part yes
#3813 [23:24] <Mloeven> i did a quick search there is a creeper removal mod
#3814 [23:24] <Mloeven> http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=108960
#3815 [23:24] <killking72> FIXED IT
#3816 [23:24] <AkiTensai> Mloeven: Sweet. Thank you.
#3817 [23:24] <killking72> i hope i dont have to talk to any of you guys for a good long time
#3818 [23:24] <xales> Krenos: Try adding a normal port forward, rather than DMZ
#3819 [23:25] <Krenos> for 25565?
#3820 [23:25] <elliseek> ya
#3821 [23:25] <Krenos> k I can try that
#3822 [23:25] <killking72> hey krenos. are you opening the port on YOUR COMPUTER or the router?
#3823 [23:26] <elliseek> on router
#3824 [23:26] <McPlusPlus> [MojangCommunity] Legitimate Reasons for Alien Invasion (Anonymous) - Mon, 25 Apr 2011 03:23:27 +0000
#3825 [23:26] <killking72> what kind of router is it?
#3826 [23:27] <elliseek> as he said that he dmz''d his comp
#3827 [23:27] <Krenos> I had my computer DMZed from the rounter and my firewall is off
#3828 [23:27] <killking72> i did the same thing
#3829 [23:27] <elliseek> not smart but it ought to work
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#3831 [23:27] <killking72> you might be turning off YOUR firewall but your router is still between you and your friends
#3832 [23:28] <Mloeven> i think it might need to be updated for 1.5 tho
#3833 [23:28] <simard> hello, is it normal that after creating and lighting a portal to the nether, nothing happens when I step into it ? (this is a multiplayer server)
#3834 [23:28] <killking72> yea
#3835 [23:28] <elliseek> if you dmz your comp it gets exposed to the net
#3836 [23:28] <killking72> the nether isnt in SMP yet
#3837 [23:28] <Krenos> I know seek
#3838 [23:28] <killking72> trust me. i tried to DMZ my computer but it doesnt work
#3839 [23:28] <Mloeven> personally i wouldn't mind if creepers had a 3 second blow up delay
#3840 [23:28] <Krenos> It was a work in progress
#3841 [23:29] <Mloeven> it would give you time to react
#3842 [23:29] <elliseek> port forwards are much safer
#3843 [23:29] <killking72> so what kind of router do you have?
#3844 [23:29] <Krenos> Engenius
#3845 [23:29] <xales> simard: Nether doesn't work on multiplayer
#3846 [23:29] <Krenos> I know how to work my router no problem with htat
#3847 [23:29] <xales> Krenos: Check the router's status page
#3848 [23:29] <killking72> well obviously not or you wouldnt have this problem
#3849 [23:29] <xales> what is the IP of the router itself?
#3850 [23:29] <elliseek> also in your router assign your computer a static ip. my guess it that you dmz'd your comp and the ip change thus breaking it
#3851 [23:30] <simard> xales: killking72: ok thanks, too bad :S
#3852 [23:30] <Mloeven> actually instead of a no creeper mod why not just make a mod that doesent destroy blocks but still lets them blow you up
#3853 [23:30] <Krenos> My local IP doesn't change, i made sure of that
#3854 [23:31] <Awordofcaution> mloeven
#3855 [23:31] <Awordofcaution> zombe mod does that
#3856 [23:31] <killking72> krenos, what kind of router do you have?
#3857 [23:31] <Awordofcaution> you can change creepers to not damage blocks
#3858 [23:31] <Mloeven> how ??
#3859 [23:31] <Krenos> EnGenius
#3860 [23:31] <elliseek> he said enginus
#3861 [23:31] <elliseek> oops beat me to it
#3862 [23:31] <killking72> didnt know that was a router type
#3863 [23:31] <Awordofcaution> mloeven its called Zombe mod
#3864 [23:31] <elliseek> off brand?
#3865 [23:32] <Mloeven> what does it do other than nerf creepers
#3866 [23:32] <elliseek> i <3 netgear
#3867 [23:32] <Krenos> Not really its just not as well known
#3868 [23:32] <killking72> krenos, does the router you have go to your ISP?
#3869 [23:32] <elliseek> elamental arrows plus greifer creepers
#3870 [23:32] <Krenos> Its served me better than any Netgear or Linksys ive ever had combined
#3871 [23:33] <Mloeven> the thing is i have to be carefull not to use any mods that perminantly alter saves
#3872 [23:33] <Awordofcaution> fly mod. see all ore through walls, see mobs through walls. nightvisison, godmode, freebuild, in game world edit, alter daytime, call storms, and you can use it to redistribute all ore in the map using your criteria
#3873 [23:33] <Awordofcaution> ie make diamond as common as coal
#3874 [23:33] <elliseek> = 75 explodeing arrows + 100 fire arrows
#3875 [23:33] <Awordofcaution> it is ALOT of mods in one
#3876 [23:33] <Awordofcaution> and grifer creepers is funny as hell
#3877 [23:34] <Mloeven> the issue i have is i have a old ibook so no mods made with java 1.6 will work
#3878 [23:34] <elliseek> ya
#3879 [23:34] <Mloeven> i learned that the hardway
#3880 [23:34] <elliseek> ya me 1
#3881 [23:34] <elliseek> +1
#3882 [23:34] <Mloeven> tried installing soylatte but cant figure out how to get it to replace 1.5
#3883 [23:34] <killking72> krenos
#3884 [23:34] <elliseek> same here
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#3886 [23:34] <elliseek> keeps erroring
#3887 [23:35] <killking72> krenos harro?
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#3889 [23:35] <Mloeven> so what was that gui mape editor you mentioned earlier
#3890 [23:36] <xales> Mloeven: MCEdit
#3891 [23:36] <Mloeven> ok might make building transport rails easier since all the sites i explored are so dang far from each other
#3892 [23:37] <elliseek> no
#3893 [23:37] <killking72> it's easy right now
#3894 [23:37] <elliseek> it won’t place rails right
#3895 [23:38] <elliseek> i have tried
#3896 [23:38] <Mloeven> ....
#3897 [23:38] <killking72> just get a bunch of rails and every 24 regular rails place 1 powered rail
#3898 [23:38] <Mloeven> any utility that does
#3899 [23:38] <elliseek> also screws up ladders
#3900 [23:38] <elliseek> i no
#3901 [23:38] <xales> Mloeven: You could just use an inventory editor and place them normally
#3902 [23:38] <xales> "TooManyItems" mod is one that allows you to do it without exiting the game
#3903 [23:39] <Mloeven> i am trying find something that doesent result in carple tunnel
#3904 [23:40] <xales> WorldEdit
#3905 [23:41] <elliseek> true but also the same effect as MCedit
#3906 [23:41] <xales> WorldEdit should be able to place railsf ine
#3907 [23:42] <Mloeven> i want to select say cobblestone and than drag a box to drop a line of them
#3908 [23:42] <xales> WorldEdit is probably closer then MCEdit for that
#3909 [23:43] <Mloeven> is world edit a mod or a utility
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#3911 [23:43] <elliseek> world edit plus the adon to show the selection of the box
#3912 [23:43] <elliseek> mod
#3913 [23:43] <elliseek> known ad SSP Commands
#3914 [23:44] <xales> elliseek: the visible selection only works on SMP, last I checked
#3915 [23:45] <LoneBlackfang> Hi I was wondering if it is possible to make it sunny all the time
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#3918 [23:46] <xales> LoneBlackfang: With a mod
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#3920 [23:48] <xales> ??> LoneBlackfang irc/dontpm
#3921 [23:48] <VoxelHead> LoneBlackfang: (irc/dontpm) We prefer in general to assist people in a public manner, in the channel; please don't ask for someone to PM you assistance unless there is actual private information involved.
#3922 [23:48] <xales> And no, I don't
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#3924 [23:51] <AkiTensai> Glowstones produce heat? o.o
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