#1 [00:00] <Attemptedhippo> im sure you could, but im just trying to be careful
#2 [00:00] <Kealper> but your IP can be trusted in this channel, as it's a tech support channel
#3 [00:00] <Attemptedhippo> i do already know the ip
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#5 [00:00] <xales> and if someone really wanted to destroy your computer or whatever, having your IP wouldn't let them do much of anything
#6 [00:00] <Attemptedhippo> yes they'd have to use an open port
#7 [00:01] <xales> And even then, the port has to lead to an exploitable service that actually has exploits
#8 [00:01] <LordTrevor> loic if they do...
#9 [00:01] <Attemptedhippo> which is pretty obvious which port is open since im trying to make a server for minecraft
#10 [00:01] <Kealper> it's like a phone number in a phone book...anyone in your area can get your phone number....but you don't have to pick the phone up for that person if they try to spam you
#11 [00:01] <xales> ^
#12 [00:01] <xales> even with a port open, it means nothing
#13 [00:01] <xales> all it means is they could connect to your Minecraft server if they wanted
#14 [00:01] <xales> lol
#15 [00:01] <Attemptedhippo> lol
#16 [00:02] <bread> lol
#17 [00:02] <xales> and Kealper's analogy was actually very correct
#18 [00:02] <bread> I'm going to evil-y connect to your minecraft server!
#19 [00:02] <xales> he could find your IP, and also the general area you live in, just from your IP
#20 [00:03] <xales> !lookup ool-18e41d9a.dyn.optonline.net
#21 [00:03] <xales> ^
#22 [00:03] <Kealper> ok xales....i completely give up on this...i need help...it's defeated me
#23 [00:03] <xales> Kealper: pastabin
#24 [00:03] <bread> \o/
#25 [00:04] <Kealper> http://pastebin.com/czkcQgtK ._.
#26 [00:04] <Kealper> am i even making my function correctly?
#27 [00:04] <Attemptedhippo> lol thats the general location of optimum's servers, not my home
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#29 [00:04] <bread> woah
#30 [00:04] <bread> that's new
#31 [00:04] <bread> I've always been bread@pool-dsgsfdhdy4ystuff
#32 [00:05] <xales> Kealper: first of all, stringleft is excessive
#33 [00:05] <definitelynotbread> !lookup
#34 [00:05] <definitelynotbread> :o
#35 [00:05] <xales> there is a much easier way
#36 [00:05] <VoxelHead> !!!
#37 [00:05] <definitelynotbread> !lookup 184.9.197.178
#38 [00:05] <Kealper> Attemptedhippo: laws won't let them get closer than the general area for civilans :/
#39 [00:05] <VoxelHead> Bye definitelynotbread.
#40 [00:05] <bread> :D
#41 [00:05] <VoxelHead> -_-
#42 [00:06] <xales> Kealper: it's a thing you'll suddenly get "holy shit strings are cool" once you understand pointers
#43 [00:06] <xales> anyway...
#44 [00:06] <xales> change this:
#45 [00:06] <LordTrevor> !lookup 127.0.0.1
#46 [00:06] <xales> sInput = StringLeft(input, 3);
#47 [00:06] <xales> to this:
#48 [00:06] <Attemptedhippo> this server is also written so the info is all stored on a heavily encrypted server, to protect our safety
#49 [00:06] <xales> strcpy(sInput, input)
#50 [00:06] <Attemptedhippo> java is very safe, i know that
#51 [00:07] <xales> actually wow, I lied
#52 [00:07] <xales> strcpy(sInput, input, 3)
#53 [00:07] <xales> lol
#54 [00:07] <xales> that's easier than I thought
#55 [00:07] <Kealper> ......
#56 [00:07] <xales> Attemptedhippo: 24.228.29.154
#57 [00:07] <xales> ?
#58 [00:07] <Attemptedhippo> yes and?
#59 [00:08] <xales> ..nevermind ._.
#60 [00:08] <Attemptedhippo> lol
#61 [00:08] <Kealper> and Java is a lot less secure than you'd think, because it depends entirely on the program that is made using Java, not the Java language itself
#62 [00:09] <Attemptedhippo> i know that as well but they usually make these irc channels somewhat secure
#63 [00:09] <Kealper> so Minecraft could (probably doesn't, just using an example) have some glaring hole that lets someone do an elevation of privage attack and enable remote desktop on your server, and then boom...
#64 [00:09] <xales> err...irc?
#65 [00:10] <Kealper> your ISP can't secure an IRC channel
#66 [00:10] <xales> you are using a (shitty and particularly insecure) webclient called Mibbit, that's written in javascript
#67 [00:10] <xales> not java
#68 [00:10] <Kealper> oh, and that
#69 [00:10] <Attemptedhippo> lol
#70 [00:10] <xales> if you want to connect to an IRC network securely, you would use a real client and use SSL
#71 [00:10] <xales> lol
#72 [00:10] <Kealper> any malicious browser plugin could be watching anything you type or read right now
#73 [00:10] * Kealper pets his mode +Z
#73 [00:11] <bread> :D
#74 [00:11] <bread> yay +Z
#75 [00:11] <VoxelHead> =D
#76 [00:11] <xales> I have lots of modes
#77 [00:11] <Kealper> my real IP is also hidden from everyone :3
#78 [00:11] <xales> I don't even know why
#79 [00:11] <Attemptedhippo> omg they'll see my saying what little i know about java, and even less about javascript
#80 [00:12] <Kealper> well...this conversation may be trivial, but we're just trying to drive home the fact that you can't just trust something to be secure when the internet is involved
#81 [00:12] <Attemptedhippo> lol and firefox is saying "this page contains unautherized content
#82 [00:12] <Attemptedhippo> yes, i agree
#83 [00:14] <Kealper> anywho.... xales the String function i'm working on is a learning experience...it's more of just seeing how to do it than actually being useful
#84 [00:14] <Kealper> and it'll be one part of a few other functions if i can get it working
#85 [00:15] <xales> Kealper: what errors is the compiler giving you?
#86 [00:15] <Attemptedhippo> you guys talking about c++?
#87 [00:15] <xales> no, C
#88 [00:15] <Attemptedhippo> errr havent learned that yet
#89 [00:15] <Kealper> and even if it is slow by C standards...it's still lightyears ahead of anything AutoIt can do in terms of speed, so overhead isn't an issue lol
#90 [00:16] <xales> Kealper: 95% of the standard library functions are implemented in assembly for speed
#91 [00:16] <xales> just so you know :P
#92 [00:16] <Kealper> that's.....that's decent lol
#93 [00:16] <Kealper> but yeah, i'm really not worried about speed right now, i'm just in it for the science :P
#94 [00:17] <Kealper> (Portal 2 has been out a whole two weeks and i'm already quoting it)
#95 [00:17] <xales> :P
#96 [00:17] <Attemptedhippo> lol that was a fun game
#97 [00:17] <Kealper> anyways...it hates this: sInput = StringLeft(input, 3);
#98 [00:18] <xales> oh
#99 [00:18] <xales> I know why
#100 [00:18] <xales> your function returns a char
#101 [00:18] <Attemptedhippo> hey whats SSL from before?
#102 [00:18] <Kealper> char *StringLeft()?
#103 [00:18] <xales> SSL = Secure socket layer
#104 [00:18] <Kealper> SSL is S....ninja
#105 [00:18] <xales> Kealper: exactly!
#106 [00:18] <Kealper> \o/
#107 [00:19] <Kealper> wait....lemme get my WinAPI face on
#108 [00:19] <Captain-Lightning> hahahahaha
#109 [00:19] <Kealper> char* StringLeft()
#110 [00:19] <xales> err, noty
#111 [00:19] <xales> even the Linux Programmer's Manual does it right
#112 [00:19] <xales> and that's known for being stupid at times
#113 [00:19] <xales> lol
#114 [00:20] <Kealper> lol
#115 [00:20] <xales> #include <string.h>
#116 [00:20] <xales> char *strcpy(char *dest, const char *src);
#117 [00:20] <Captain-Lightning> I wonder if anyone actually knows the windows API.
#118 [00:20] <Kealper> WinAPI?
#119 [00:20] <xales> COLOPHON This page is part of release 3.32 of the Linux man-pages project. A description of the project, and information about reporting bugs, can be found at http://www.ker‐ nel.org/doc/man-pages/.
#120 [00:20] <Captain-Lightning> In its entirity.
#121 [00:20] <Kealper> i poke at it all the time when using AutoIt
#122 [00:20] <Kealper> oh....the whole thing? screw that
#123 [00:20] <Captain-Lightning> As far as I know, none of the MS guys actually know it.
#124 [00:21] <Kealper> there is like 5 billion functions in that dang thing
#125 [00:21] <Captain-Lightning> They split up into teams and work on one bit at a time
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#127 [00:21] <Captain-Lightning> Because seriously, noone fucking understands that shit.
#128 [00:21] <xales> Captain-Lightning: It's still using stuff from like, 10 years ago
#129 [00:21] <xales> the function to shut down or reboot iscalled "ExitWindowsEx"
#130 [00:21] <xales> back from the Windows 3.1 days, when Windows ran ontop of MS-DOS
#131 [00:21] <Captain-Lightning> bwahaha
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#133 [00:21] <Kealper> lol
#134 [00:22] <Captain-Lightning> I think Windows is due for a full reboot at some point or another.
#135 [00:22] <xales> I agree
#136 [00:22] <Captain-Lightning> Longer they delay it, the more of a pain in the ass it will be for the programmers behind it
#137 [00:22] <xales> (Wasn't that supposed to be Windows NT?)
#138 [00:22] <VoxelHead> the ass-it
#139 [00:23] <Kealper> NT was a full reboot...but look how old it is now
#140 [00:23] <xales> No, it wasn't, though
#141 [00:23] <xales> lol
#142 [00:23] <xales> it was _supposed_ to be
#143 [00:23] <Kealper> well...full-ish
#144 [00:23] <xales> Fun fact
#145 [00:23] <xales> Windows NT originally meant Windows New Technology
#146 [00:23] <xales> New as in, "not completely stolen from IBM"
#147 [00:23] <Kealper> xD
#148 [00:23] <xales> but it's not called New Technology, and was never released under that name
#149 [00:24] <xales> because they ended up scrapping that part of it
#150 [00:24] <xales> so they just went with Windows NT
#151 [00:24] <Captain-Lightning> It's disappointing that most McDonalds employees make more than the teachers in my area.
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#153 [00:26] <Kealper> damn, strings in C are so far over my head it's not even funny...fuck me for learning a high level language first then trying to learn this
#154 [00:27] * GreyVulpine loves C++ strings
#154 [00:27] <Kealper> so everyone has told me
#155 [00:27] * GreyVulpine hates char arrays still
#155 [00:27] <Captain-Lightning> Same.
#156 [00:27] <Captain-Lightning> I never use char arrays.
#157 [00:28] <Captain-Lightning> Only vectors and strings.
#158 [00:28] <GreyVulpine> Arrrays are fine.. just have a strong dislike for character arrays
#159 [00:28] * Kealper loves arrays in AutoIt :<
#159 [00:29] <Captain-Lightning> They should teach Vectors in school.
#160 [00:29] <Captain-Lightning> They are just really flexible arrays.
#161 [00:30] <xales> GreyVulpine: I hated character arrays for a long time
#162 [00:30] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, but you want to teach arrays first, because they're less bloated
#163 [00:30] <GreyVulpine> Arrays are faster than vectors
#164 [00:30] <xales> but using xalesbot, which was written entirely in C (99%), and had char arrays all over the place
#165 [00:30] <GreyVulpine> It lays the foundation for vectors
#166 [00:30] <xales> I got used to them, and now realize how they are extremely powerful, :)
#167 [00:30] <xales> but C++ strings are more so
#168 [00:30] <xales> so...still a moot point, C++ string > char *
#169 [00:30] * GreyVulpine agrees with xales
#169 [00:30] <xales> except that the stl is _impossible_ to debug
#170 [00:30] <xales> or, rather, to read error messages
#171 [00:31] <xales> <std::string<std::char_sequence<derp<derp<derp<derp<derp<asdasd>SadadA>asdasd>dasdasdwe>weqwe>eqwe>qweqweq>wqweqw>::out_of_range
#172 [00:31] <xales> is how it says, "out of range"
#173 [00:31] <xales> >:|
#174 [00:31] <Kealper> lol
#175 [00:33] <Captain-Lightning> Curses, anyone?
#176 [00:33] <Attemptedhippo> i started with python when i started using blender
#177 [00:34] <Captain-Lightning> Curses and QT make C++ worth using.
#178 [00:34] <Captain-Lightning> Blenderer, eh?
#179 [00:34] <Captain-Lightning> *Blenderhead
#180 [00:34] <Attemptedhippo> yeah
#181 [00:34] <Captain-Lightning> Do you understand how to use the new smoke simulation feature?
#182 [00:34] <Captain-Lightning> I can't get mine to render for some reason.
#183 [00:35] <Captain-Lightning> It always shows up invisible.
#184 [00:35] <Attemptedhippo> nah im still stuck in the 2.49b release, i havent used blender in ages
#185 [00:36] <Captain-Lightning> :(
#186 [00:36] <Attemptedhippo> um... i would guess that i could be something to do with the material settings, maybe turn on glsl and apply the texture to both sides
#187 [00:36] <Attemptedhippo> it*
#188 [00:38] <Attemptedhippo> if the simulator uses UV texture you might also have to ture that on, but since thats a newer release i dont know where to do that
#189 [00:40] <Attemptedhippo> brb restarting browser
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#192 [00:44] * Kealper is tried
#192 [00:44] <Kealper> tired*
#193 [00:44] <Kealper> C has beaten me
#194 [00:44] * Kealper sulks
#194 [00:44] <Attemptedhippo> thats annoying new irc client didnt leave my name
#195 [00:45] <Kealper> because they're different clients? :/
#196 [00:45] <Attemptedhippo> shh the computer doesnt know that
#197 [00:45] <Kealper> in irc the client sets and stores the nick not the server :/
#198 [00:45] <Attemptedhippo> i now im just kidding around
#199 [00:45] <Attemptedhippo> know*
#200 [00:46] <Kealper> oh.... /me is too tired to have seen that
#201 [00:46] <Attemptedhippo> its like almost 1 here and ive had my cup of coffee so im good for the rest of the morrning
#202 [00:46] <Kealper> ....how do i return a char array from a function?
#203 [00:47] <xales> Kealper: You even said it yourself before lol
#204 [00:47] <Attemptedhippo> lmao
#205 [00:47] <xales> "char *functionReturningCharArray(){}"
#206 [00:47] <Kealper> that isn't what i wanted though
#207 [00:47] <xales> "return derpyArray";
#208 [00:47] <Kealper> it's yelling at me when i do that :/
#209 [00:48] <Kealper> is my while loop wrong?
#210 [00:48] <xales> what does it say?
#211 [00:48] <Kealper> says return makes pointer from integer without a cast
#212 [00:48] <Kealper> but it's declared as a char array :/
#213 [00:49] <xales> hmm what
#214 [00:49] <xales> one sec
#215 [00:49] <xales> paste the return statement
#216 [00:49] <xales> the declaration of the variable you are returning
#217 [00:49] <xales> and the function declaration
#218 [00:49] <Kealper> i'll just throw the whole function into mcbots
#219 [00:50] <xales> Lazy
#220 [00:50] <Attemptedhippo> lol
#221 [00:50] <Kealper> it's not even that large, it's like 10 lines and half of those are } lol
#222 [00:50] <xales> Lazy.
#223 [00:50] <Kealper> char sRet[iLen];
#224 [00:50] <Kealper> return sRet;
#225 [00:50] <Kealper> dun work
#226 [00:51] <Kealper> and that has some while loopy crap in between the two to fill sRet with some data
#227 [00:51] <xales> Kealper: function declaration
#228 [00:51] <Kealper> char *StringLeft(char *sStr, int iCount){
#229 [00:52] <xales> hmm
#230 [00:52] <xales> all of the code please
#231 [00:52] <xales> Kealper: what line does it say the error is on?
#232 [00:52] <Kealper> i think i like interpreted languages more....shit doesn't need to be compiled to run it, so shit crashes at specific spots instead of not running at all...makes it so much easier :/
#233 [00:52] <Kealper> 13
#234 [00:52] <Kealper> which is the return
#235 [00:52] <VoxelHead> Kealper: that's numberwang!
#236 [00:52] <Kealper> ._.
#237 [00:53] <xales> owned
#238 [00:53] <xales> also, all code please
#239 [00:53] <xales> and...for the love of god
#240 [00:53] <xales> pastebin
#241 [00:53] <Kealper> http://pastebin.com/czkcQgtK
#242 [00:53] <xales> well, there you go, Kealper
#243 [00:53] <xales> the code is not what you said it is
#244 [00:53] <xales> ._.
#245 [00:53] <Kealper> wut?
#246 [00:53] <Kealper> oh
#247 [00:54] <Kealper> fuck, that was the wrong one, 1 sec
#248 [00:54] <xales> lol
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#250 [00:54] <xales> I noticed
#251 [00:54] <Kealper> http://pastebin.com/EyFd2jyA
#252 [00:54] <zachoooo> I dont get the point of pastebin
#253 [00:54] <GreyVulpine> Lets people share large amounts of text
#254 [00:54] <GreyVulpine> If you tried to copy and paste it here, it floods the channel
#255 [00:54] <Kealper> would you rather me be sending 50 lines of program sourcecode into this channel?
#256 [00:54] <zachoooo> oh right....
#257 [00:55] <zachoooo> nvm
#258 [00:55] <GreyVulpine> I mean, I could just do..
#259 [00:55] <GreyVulpine> !wiki wiki
#260 [00:55] <GreyBot> Wikipedia Found: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki
#261 [00:55] <GreyBot> A wiki (i /ˈwɪki/ WIK-ee) is a website that allows the creation and editing of any number of interlinked web pages via a web browser using a simplified markup language or a WYSIWYG text editor. Wikis are typically powered by wiki software and are often used collaboratively by multiple users. Examples include community websites, corporate intranets,
#262 [00:55] <GreyBot> knowledge management systems, and note services. The software can also be used for personal notetaking.
#263 [00:55] <GreyVulpine> !weather hell
#264 [00:55] <GreyBot> GreyVulpine: From Portage Lake, Pinckney, Michigan (12:55a May 01 11) temp(52.3 F / 11.3 C) cond(Overcast) wind(ESE at 4.0 mph / 6.4 km/h) hu(69%) dewpnt(42 F / 6 C) bp(29.94 in / 1013.8 hPa (Steady)) clouds(Overcast (OVC) : 7000 ft / 2133 m) vis(10.0 miles / 16.1 kilometers) uv(0 out of 16)
#265 [00:55] <GreyBot> Rest of Tonight: Cloudy and breezy. Scattered showers with an isolated thunderstorm after 3 am. Lows 47 to 51. Southeast winds 15 to 25 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.
#266 [00:55] <Attemptedhippo> isnt there supposed to be a "()" in line 13 after "return sRet"?
#267 [00:55] <xales> Attemptedhippo: Nope
#268 [00:55] <GreyVulpine> And everybody would yell at me
#269 [00:55] * Kealper silently rages
#269 [00:55] <xales> Kealper: Try return (char *)sRet
#270 [00:56] <Attemptedhippo> c is som much different from c++
#271 [00:56] <Kealper> still says the same thing
#272 [00:56] <GreyVulpine> C really isn't *that* much different.
#273 [00:56] <zachoooo> Hey anyone here know how to use craftbook?
#274 [00:56] <zachoooo> thanks for all jumping in to help -.-
#275 [00:56] <xales> zachoooo: Ask #craftbook
#276 [00:56] <GreyVulpine> Not many of us here run bukkit
#277 [00:56] <Attemptedhippo> sytax wise a newbie would be stumped
#278 [00:57] <zachoooo> thanks xales
#279 [00:57] <Kealper> Attemptedhippo: yes, yes i am
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#281 [00:57] <Attemptedhippo> lol
#282 [00:57] <Kealper> going from a BASIC-like syntax to this...and a high level language to this....
#283 [00:57] <Kealper> i'd rather shoot myself in the foot
#284 [00:57] <GreyVulpine> You still have the same data types, you still have the basic functions.
#285 [00:58] <GreyVulpine> You learn C, moving to C++ is just learning classes instead of structs.
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#287 [00:58] <VoxelHead> I wish they didn't have to go :O
#288 [00:58] <GreyVulpine> Learn C++, C is just a subset of it, you learn to limit yourself
#289 [00:58] <Attemptedhippo> like i said i started with python then went to C++ with the help of my comp sci teacher
#290 [00:58] <GreyVulpine> Ah, I'm sorry.
#291 [00:58] <Captain-Lightning> That is the perfect way to start
#292 [00:58] * GreyVulpine went with straight C++, hated everything since.
#292 [00:58] <Attemptedhippo> and im not even close to proficient with c++
#293 [00:59] <Captain-Lightning> Python -> C++ is how every programmer should start.
#294 [00:59] <Attemptedhippo> :D thats what my teacher told me
#295 [00:59] * Kealper tried Python and hated it
#295 [00:59] <fizyplankton> lol im a python progger, and im about to learn c++
#296 [00:59] <Kealper> that whole spacing denotes endings just made me rage
#297 [01:00] <Attemptedhippo> well although i feel that java might have been a little easier
#298 [01:00] <GreyVulpine> Gimme a gcc compiler and I'm happy.
#299 [01:00] <Captain-Lightning> Python -> C++ -> Ruby
#300 [01:00] <fizyplankton> Kealper: to me, thats the greatest thing ever. its like an outline for a paper. the indents denote chunck of code
#301 [01:00] <Captain-Lightning> That is what I will reccommend from now on to anyone who asks.
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#303 [01:00] <Captain-Lightning> Ruby pretty much throws every concept you've ever learned out of the window and says "You're doing it wrong. :|"
#304 [01:01] <Kealper> lol
#305 [01:01] <Attemptedhippo> im afraid of ruby, ive never seen a cluster of code from it but ive heard that printing "hello world" is a bitch
#306 [01:02] <Kealper> O.o
#307 [01:03] <Captain-Lightning> Nope
#308 [01:03] <Captain-Lightning> It's a single line of code.
#309 [01:03] <Captain-Lightning> print "hello world"
#310 [01:03] <Captain-Lightning> that, as blah.rb would print hello world\n.
#311 [01:03] <Kealper> oh gosh....BASIC-like syntax
#312 [01:04] <Captain-Lightning> I don't like the auto /n though, so I use 'echo'
#313 [01:04] <Attemptedhippo> from experience python is easy, c++ is a little wordy, java about the same as c++, visual basic is somewhere in the league of java and c++, and everything else isnt suggested for intermediate programmers
#314 [01:04] <Captain-Lightning> visual basic is only really for script kiddies.
#315 [01:04] <Kealper> VB i would not wish on my enemies :/
#316 [01:05] <GreyVulpine> C++ is a little wordy?
#317 [01:05] <GreyVulpine> cout << "Hello World" is more wordy than System.out.println("Hello World")?
#318 [01:05] <Captain-Lightning> If you want to 'How lern 2 h4x?' VB is for you :D
#319 [01:05] <Attemptedhippo> yeah you have to include headers for everything
#320 [01:06] <GreyVulpine> I've found C++ is less wordy.. programmers in that era took shortcuts for everything
#321 [01:06] <Captain-Lightning> I prefer printw to cout.
#322 [01:06] <Captain-Lightning> It's just cleaner.
#323 [01:07] <Attemptedhippo> i mean like looking at the whole code chunk python has many lines less for the printing function
#324 [01:07] <Kealper> well yeah but Python is a high-level interpreted language
#325 [01:07] <Attemptedhippo> which makes it slow
#326 [01:07] <Kealper> C++ is a more low-level compiled one
#327 [01:08] <GreyVulpine> I mean, if you want to the case that C++ has headers, java has class definitions...
#328 [01:09] <GreyVulpine> And java's class definitions are definitely wordier than C++'s header declarations
#329 [01:09] <Kealper> BAH.....
#330 [01:09] <Attemptedhippo> yes
#331 [01:09] * Kealper just erases the first 15 lines of that program
#331 [01:09] <xales> C++ tends to be very short
#332 [01:09] <GreyVulpine> ^
#333 [01:09] <xales> Classes make up most of the code, with very little implementation logic
#334 [01:09] <xales> (compared to the rest)
#335 [01:09] <xales> not to mention the preprocessor
#336 [01:10] <GreyVulpine> And don't get me started on java's wannabe cousin, C#
#337 [01:10] <Attemptedhippo> ok brain is starting to hurt, your saying big words in the middle of the night
#338 [01:10] <GreyVulpine> Or apple's abomination of objective-C
#339 [01:10] <xales> ^
#340 [01:11] <Kealper> ^
#341 [01:11] <xales> I'd use .NET over Objective-C
#342 [01:11] <xales> C# isn't actually that bad, by the way, GreyVulpine
#343 [01:11] <Captain-Lightning> Is .NET actually useful?
#344 [01:11] * GreyVulpine nods, prefers it over java
#344 [01:11] <xales> It's not anywhere near portable, but if that's not an issue, it's faster than Java
#345 [01:11] <Captain-Lightning> I always associate it with humongous downloads for games.
#346 [01:11] <xales> and much, much lighter
#347 [01:11] <GreyVulpine> I've done a bit of C# work, but has much more experience in C++
#348 [01:11] <Kealper> C#'s only real problem is it does not have the marketshare that Java has :/
#349 [01:11] <Attemptedhippo> ROFL C#... that i wouldnt wish on anyone, infact thats the reason i stoped using one of those game engines, if you wanted decent logic in it you had to use c#
#350 [01:13] <Attemptedhippo> i looked at one tut for that and was like... "yeah, NO!"
#351 [01:13] <GreyVulpine> At least it made GUIs a bit better to make than C++'s tacked on implementation
#352 [01:14] <xales> GreyVulpine: C++ has a tacked-on GUI implementation?
#353 [01:14] <xales> O_o
#354 [01:14] <VoxelHead> Perhaps.
#355 [01:14] <Attemptedhippo> ah thats the name, Unity 3D
#356 [01:14] <GreyVulpine> Eh, try doing GUI in C++ without ripping your hair out.
#357 [01:15] <GreyVulpine> C#, I'll give it to them, made it simplier.
#358 [01:15] <xales> GreyVulpine: Win32 or X Windows or Qt or...
#359 [01:15] <GreyVulpine> Win32
#360 [01:15] <Attemptedhippo> dont you have to use opengl or directx for that?
#361 [01:15] <xales> Eew, Win32
#362 [01:15] <xales> Try Qt, GreyVulpine
#363 [01:15] <Kealper> Win32 does it's stuff in GDI+
#364 [01:15] <Kealper> which is like a bastardized version of DirectDraw
#365 [01:15] <GreyVulpine> No thanks, I had one string of horrid nightmares with C++'s GUI
#366 [01:16] <Attemptedhippo> oh yeah i forgot about win32, that wasted many of my hours on just trying to figure out to set up a window
#367 [01:17] <xales> GreyVulpine: Qt is actually quite similar to C#'s method of doing it
#368 [01:17] <Captain-Lightning> QT is for winners.
#369 [01:17] <Kealper> AutoIt's GUI creation is nice :<
#370 [01:17] <GreyVulpine> Ah, okay
#371 [01:17] <Captain-Lightning> If you ever want to go anywhere with C++, you should learn QT and Curses, for GUI and Console applications respectively.
#372 [01:17] <Kealper> $hWnd = GUICreate("Derp!", 640, 480, -1, -1, $WS_POPUP)
#373 [01:18] <Attemptedhippo> ill make a note of that
#374 [01:18] <Captain-Lightning> PDCurses, for windows console applications.
#375 [01:20] <Attemptedhippo> GLaDOS is in this irc, shes trying to spy on us!
#376 [01:20] <Kealper> GLaDOS will love you for saying "she"
#377 [01:20] <Kealper> just don't let "her" see that :P
#378 [01:20] <Attemptedhippo> well "she" was and is a real person
#379 [01:21] <Kealper> Carol--
#380 [01:21] * Kealper coughs
#380 [01:21] <Attemptedhippo> yup that was her name
#381 [01:21] <Attemptedhippo> i cant remember anything tonight
#382 [01:21] * Kealper says no more, to those people who have yet to play/beat it
#382 [01:22] <Attemptedhippo> i loved the "different" turret
#383 [01:22] <Kealper> lol
#384 [01:22] <Kealper> speaking of turrets...the turret opera at the end.....so much win
#385 [01:22] <Attemptedhippo> when i make a true openGL game ill add something like that just out of respect
#386 [01:22] * GreyVulpine has been trying to get "Sppaaaaaaaaace" on his phone as a ringtone
#386 [01:22] <Kealper> lol
#387 [01:22] <Attemptedhippo> Kealper: agreed
#388 [01:23] <Kealper> oh man, have you looked at a translation of what the turrets are singing?
#389 [01:23] * GreyVulpine nods
#389 [01:23] <Attemptedhippo> i saw it, but just ike everything else tonight, i cant remember it
#390 [01:23] * robocopforever [robocopforever@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#391 [01:24] <Attemptedhippo> how do i make the emote thing?
#392 [01:24] <GreyVulpine> /me
#393 [01:24] <Kealper> /me did an action!
#394 [01:24] <GreyVulpine> Have you seen this? http://aperturescience.com.ar/122-7605/chewall_1200p.jpg
#395 [01:24] * Attemptedhippo needs more coffee
#395 [01:25] <Kealper> [REDACTED] :<
#396 [01:25] <Attemptedhippo> what does that mean?
#397 [01:25] <Kealper> removed? no longer existant?
#398 [01:25] <VoxelHead> take one little step left
#399 [01:25] <GreyVulpine> Well, didn't you see the portal 2 comic, leading up to it?
#400 [01:25] <GreyVulpine> http://www.thinkwithportals.com/comic/
#401 [01:25] <robocopforever> Is anyone else having trouble logging in to either the minecraft.net site, or the client? I've read a few forum posts about it, and I have submitted an email to support over a week ago with no response.
#402 [01:26] <Attemptedhippo> i forgot what google is so i dont know anything *cough-lazy-cough*
#403 [01:26] <GreyVulpine> Chell's name is in a spreadsheet
#404 [01:26] <GreyVulpine> Last name is redacted
#405 [01:26] <xales> robocopforever: What is the issue?
#406 [01:26] <VoxelHead> cold
#407 [01:27] <Kealper> Chell ******* :o
#408 [01:27] <xales> robocopforever: Don't use that, please
#409 [01:27] <xales> DCC chat is not a private message, it's something unrelated, and we prefer to handle issues in the channel anyway
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#411 [01:27] <robocopforever> No problem.
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#413 [01:28] <Ruben> #help
#414 [01:28] <Ruben> Hello?
#415 [01:28] <Kealper> oh gosh
#416 [01:28] <robocopforever> Basically I can't login in to eitehr the client or the minecraft.net site to play in browser mode. I says I have an invalid username/password.
#417 [01:28] <Kealper> Ruben: hi//
#418 [01:28] <Kealper> hi..*
#419 [01:28] <xales> robocopforever: Did you try using the password recovery feature?
#420 [01:28] <VoxelHead> Www.google.com.
#421 [01:29] <robocopforever> I've tried having it reset via the password reset function
#422 [01:29] <robocopforever> yes
#423 [01:29] <Ruben> I have a question
#424 [01:29] <robocopforever> and i followed the link emailed to me, and set a new password
#425 [01:29] <thig> anybody know a really good minecraft farming mod that isnt xies farming mod?i saw one a long time ago but i cant find it
#426 [01:29] <robocopforever> still no dice
#427 [01:29] <GreyVulpine> Ruben - Ask away
#428 [01:29] <Ruben> When i play my server on multiplayer, the other player entering falls into eternity basically
#429 [01:29] <xales> Ruben: Are you running the server?
#430 [01:29] <Kealper> thig: if you saw a mod a long time ago, chances are it won't work with the latest minecraft
#431 [01:29] <Ruben> Yes i am
#432 [01:30] <xales> Ruben: Are you using ZoneAlarm?
#433 [01:30] <thig> give me other examples.
#434 [01:30] <Ruben> No
#435 [01:30] <Ruben> Don
#436 [01:30] <xales> Ruben: http://speedtest.net/ run it and give us the results
#437 [01:30] <Ruben> Don't even know what that is.
#438 [01:30] <xales> thig: Unfortunately, knowing every single mod is something this channel can't do
#439 [01:31] <Kealper> (and something we don't do, for that matter)
#440 [01:31] <thig> i know that,i just washoping to get a suggestion
#441 [01:31] <GreyVulpine> I keep telling people, we would love somebody who does know, and would care to help around.
#442 [01:31] * GreyVulpine hasn't had anybody take us up on that offer yet
#442 [01:31] <Ruben> Xales: http://www.speedtest.net/result/1276158172.png
#443 [01:32] <xales> Ruben: Yeah, there's your problem
#444 [01:32] <xales> That upload is barely enough to play Minecraft...let alone host a server
#445 [01:32] <Kealper> USA's average internet speeds are just great....
#446 [01:32] <Attemptedhippo> i dont even know how to get mods working... so dont ask me
#447 [01:32] <Ruben> It was working fine 1hr ago though
#448 [01:32] <thig> because i really want a farming mod with a lot of plants and stuff
#449 [01:32] <Ruben> Thats the weird thing :/
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#451 [01:33] <Kealper> thig: you could ask around in #risucraft
#452 [01:33] <Ruben> Another thing is, im not the only one with this problem, i have seen many other people with this problem
#453 [01:33] <thig> k,thanks kealper
#454 [01:33] <xales> Ruben: Other people who's internet connection is too slow to run a server, you mean?
#455 [01:34] <xales> Most home connections can't do it at all
#456 [01:34] <xales> There is a reason that all the big servers, and all other servers really, aren't run off of home connections
#457 [01:34] <xales> (all other being all non-minecraft)
#458 [01:34] <Attemptedhippo> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1276159992.png
#459 [01:34] <Ruben> Any suggestions?
#460 [01:34] <Kealper> indeed, Minecraft eats though bandwidth like it was going out of styke
#461 [01:34] <Kealper> style*
#462 [01:34] <xales> Don't run a server on your home connection, or get a faster connection
#463 [01:34] <Attemptedhippo> so does skype
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#465 [01:35] <Kealper> skype uses far less
#466 [01:35] <Ruben> How else am i supposed to run my server?
#467 [01:35] <Attemptedhippo> but its still alot more then lests say ICQ
#468 [01:35] <Ruben> On multiplayer that is
#469 [01:35] <xales> Run it on a proper server, in a datacenter
#470 [01:35] <xales> (that costs money, of course)
#471 [01:36] <xales> For example, https://allgamer.net/clients/cart.php?a=add&pid=42
#472 [01:36] <Ruben> If only i had the brains to comprehend that
#473 [01:36] <Ruben> My English isn't that great.
#474 [01:36] <Ruben> Mind explaining that
#475 [01:36] <XSpeedGodX> Hey guys, I have a question about MC's multiplayer
#476 [01:36] <Kealper> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1276161757.png \o/
#477 [01:36] <xales> XSpeedGodX: Just ask
#478 [01:37] <xales> Ruben: Instead of running it on your personal computer, you run it from a server computer in a datacenter (where most servers are, which has very fast connections and very powerful computers)
#479 [01:37] <Attemptedhippo> wow bro thats friggen fast
#480 [01:37] <XSpeedGodX> So, is there a list of online servers for beta?
#481 [01:37] <relsqui> nope.
#482 [01:37] <GreyVulpine> ?? smp/servers
#483 [01:37] <VoxelHead> smp/servers: There currently is no master list of all SMP servers. Fan-made indexes include http://www.mcserverlist.net/ - http://www.reddit.com/r/mcservers - http://minecraftservers.net/ - http://minecraft.dk/mcserverlist/
#484 [01:37] <VoxelHead> smp/servers: You can also find a list at the MC forums at http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewforum.php?f=1025. Also, try the #smp channel.
#485 [01:38] <Ruben> Xales, is it a monthly payment? Or just a one payment kinda deal?
#486 [01:38] <xales> Ruben: It's a monthly payment
#487 [01:38] <Kealper> monthly
#488 [01:38] <xales> you literally rent another computer from a company
#489 [01:38] <robocopforever> xales: I know you guys don't have anything to do with the account side of things. But have you heard any other complaints similar to mine?
#490 [01:38] <xales> (more or less)
#491 [01:38] <XSpeedGodX> VoxelHead, are those for beta?
#492 [01:38] <VoxelHead> i can't tell you that
#493 [01:38] <Ruben> What's the approximate cost?
#494 [01:38] <GreyVulpine> XSpeedGodX -yes
#495 [01:38] <xales> XSpeedGodX: Voxelhead is a bot. And yes, they are
#496 [01:38] <VoxelHead> LIES.
#497 [01:38] <XSpeedGodX> kk
#498 [01:38] <xales> Ruben: Depends on the number of people you want on it. Look at https://allgamer.net/clients/cart.php?a=add&pid=42
#499 [01:38] <AG_Scott> xales: :'(
#500 [01:39] <AG_Scott> I upgraded to natty
#501 [01:39] <Kealper> eew
#502 [01:39] <AG_Scott> I think Canonical did naughty things to it as it keeps screwing up
#503 [01:39] <xales> AG_Scott: I should set you up with Arch :3
#504 [01:39] <Kealper> really?
#505 [01:39] <xales> AG_Scott: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7950795/DESKTOPS/smilo/Screenshot15.png
#506 [01:39] <xales> that's my IRC workspace
#507 [01:39] <xales> :3
#508 [01:39] <AG_Scott> I don't want Arch :(
#509 [01:39] <xales> Yes you do
#510 [01:39] <AG_Scott> I want Ubuntu and working GNOME2 like I've used for years.
#511 [01:39] <xales> it's _easier_ than Ubuntu
#512 [01:39] <Kealper> AG_Scott: i can't even run natty...literally the more i restart, the more it breaks until finnally X won't even run properly, and i can only run it in CLI mode
#513 [01:40] <AG_Scott> Well I'm using classic mode
#514 [01:40] <AG_Scott> It's acting /better/ now i think
#515 [01:41] <AG_Scott> I don't understand why they created Unity. The new "classic" desktop is perfect [when it works].
#516 [01:41] <Kealper> because they want to be different :/
#517 [01:41] <AG_Scott> More like they want to scare everyone away xD
#518 [01:42] <Kealper> i never said different for the better lol
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#520 [01:43] <Ruben> Xales
#521 [01:43] <xales> Hi
#522 [01:43] <Ruben> Is mcmyadmin really necessary to buy also?
#523 [01:43] <Attemptedhippo> im gonna start freshening up in C++ can anyone suggest a good tut?
#524 [01:43] <Kealper> no
#525 [01:44] <AG_Scott> Fucking hell.
#526 [01:44] <AG_Scott> I rebooted and half of the applets broke.
#527 [01:44] <Ruben> Was that a no to me?
#528 [01:44] <Ruben> Or someone else
#529 [01:44] <xales> Ruben: Yes, it is
#530 [01:44] <Kealper> Ruben: correct
#531 [01:44] <xales> There's no other way to control the server
#532 [01:44] <xales> Ruben: If you have any questions though, direct them to AG_Scott
#533 [01:44] <AG_Scott> If you're not familiar with running minecraft servers via command line, you will want McMyAdmin.
#534 [01:44] <xales> He's works for allgamer
#535 [01:44] <AG_Scott> You don't have to use it but if you don't know what you're doing, you'll want it.
#536 [01:44] <Kealper> McMyAdmin is quite nice though...it lets you have access to control your server from a web interface instead of just from ingame
#537 [01:45] <Ruben> I see
#538 [01:45] <AG_Scott> and if you dont want to lease a license, you can buy one from http://mcmyadmin.com/ and provide it in the order notes
#539 [01:45] <Ruben> So it kinda acts like a webhost would for a website?
#540 [01:45] <xales> Ruben: McMyAdmin gives you a web control panel for the server
#541 [01:45] <AG_Scott> http://mcmyadmin.com/Tour.aspx
#542 [01:45] <AG_Scott> That's the panel
#543 [01:45] <xales> ^
#544 [01:46] <Ruben> Thanks! Very helpful
#545 [01:46] <Ruben> So that was my problem for a fact?
#546 [01:47] <Ruben> Cause i don't want to purchase this product if it's not going to solve it.
#547 [01:47] <xales> Ruben: Yes
#548 [01:47] <xales> It's definately your Internet that's the problem, or your computer itself (both of which would be solved by that)
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#550 [01:47] <xales> Plus, the server would run 24/7 without you having to leave your computer on
#551 [01:48] <VoxelHead> Mmm robocopforever.
#552 [01:48] <Attemptedhippo> lol that movie was so corny
#553 [01:50] <Ruben> Is a backup also recommended?
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#555 [01:50] <Attemptedhippo> well it ensures that no saves, or data is lost
#556 [01:50] <Ruben> What are the chances of it actually happening?
#557 [01:51] <xales> Ruben: For a larger server, yes
#558 [01:51] <xales> if it's just you and your friends, you probably don't need it
#559 [01:51] <Ruben> Alright.
#560 [01:51] <Attemptedhippo> yeah i was thinking the same thing
#561 [01:51] <xales> Ruben: Backups let you go back in time basically, so if you accidentally destroy your house or get your server griefed, you can undo what happened
#562 [01:51] <xales> But it may not be worth it, given that it's somewhat expensive
#563 [01:53] <Kealper> actually
#564 [01:54] <Kealper> AG_Scott: with all of your CLI parameter magic....how many people does the 256mb budget beta server hold before it craps out?
#565 [01:54] <Ruben> So anything else before i purchase it?
#566 [01:54] <AG_Scott> No idea.
#567 [01:54] <AG_Scott> I won't touch those servers
#568 [01:54] <Kealper> AG_Scott: are they that bad? lol
#569 [01:54] <AG_Scott> They aren't bad, I just refuse to work with them because I hate the setup.
#570 [01:55] <Attemptedhippo> pearl or ruby?
#571 [01:55] <Kealper> AG_Scott: wut?
#572 [01:55] <AG_Scott> The only game servers I touch are the premium minecraft servers.
#573 [01:55] <Kealper> whoops
#574 [01:55] <VoxelHead> leprechauns
#575 [01:55] <Kealper> was meant for Attemptedhippo
#576 [01:55] <AG_Scott> Clinton takes care of the others as I get raging mad.
#577 [01:55] <Kealper> lol
#578 [01:56] <Kealper> is setup for the budget ones really that annoying?
#579 [01:56] <Kealper> make a bash script to do it :>
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#581 [01:56] <Attemptedhippo> well usually server databases are set up with linux (wich isnt to bad) pearl or ruby
#582 [01:56] <AG_Scott> no Kealper
#583 [01:56] <AG_Scott> its automated
#584 [01:56] <Kealper> oh
#585 [01:56] <Ruben> How do i access my cpanel now?
#586 [01:56] <Kealper> or...is it just the maintainance (lack of any control panel) that is the annoying part?
#587 [01:57] <xales> Ruben: You will get an email, I believe
#588 [01:57] <AG_Scott> Did you just order Ruben?
#589 [01:57] <MBK_Randy> can someone help my with a constant end of stream error?
#590 [01:57] <Ruben> Yes
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#592 [01:57] <AG_Scott> It won't be setup until you fix your contact information.
#593 [01:57] <AG_Scott> Invalid information = no service :P
#594 [01:57] <Ruben> Where can i go back to fix that?
#595 [01:58] <Ruben> I don't like giving out to much person information ;P
#596 [01:58] <AG_Scott> https://allgamer.net/clients/clientarea.php?action=details
#597 [01:58] <AG_Scott> All of that info needs to be accurate.
#598 [01:59] <xales> MBK_Randy: Is it on one server, or all of them?
#599 [01:59] <Ruben> Alrighty, done.
#600 [01:59] <Kealper> Ruben: it's a secured website (no peeking eyes can see what you put) and AllGamer is a very reputable server host with loads of cusomers
#601 [01:59] <Kealper> customers*
#602 [01:59] <MBK_Randy> im trying right now but i tryed with 3 computers and its only my account it happens with
#603 [02:00] <AG_Scott> Ruben: you should receive an email in a few hours with all the information.
#604 [02:00] <Ruben> Big problem there
#605 [02:00] <Kealper> automated system, y u so slow?
#606 [02:00] <Ruben> Will it be sent to the one i registered with?
#607 [02:01] <AG_Scott> Those aren't automated.
#608 [02:01] <AG_Scott> Yse
#609 [02:01] <Ruben> Or the one i payed with on my paypal?
#610 [02:01] <Attemptedhippo> night guys im off to hide in my DevC++ compiler
#611 [02:01] <Kealper> oh....fair enough
#612 [02:01] <AG_Scott> The one you registered with
#613 [02:01] <Ruben> Thank god...
#614 [02:01] <AG_Scott> All the billing system cares about is the paypal transaction ID :P
#615 [02:01] <Kealper> lol
#616 [02:02] <Ruben> Well on my paypal, it said "A confimation code has been sent to your email"
#617 [02:02] <Kealper> all these people who know C/++...and i feel like a nub for knowing neither ;_;
#618 [02:02] <Ruben> And i dont know my password to that email address anymore
#619 [02:02] <xales> MBK_Randy: Try a different server?
#620 [02:02] <MBK_Randy> ya looks like its just the one sofar
#621 [02:02] <Ruben> Im trying to learn java, not going to great.
#622 [02:02] <MBK_Randy> any idea why that would be?
#623 [02:02] <Kealper> MBK_Randy: might just be that server having issues
#624 [02:03] <xales> MBK_Randy: if it's just one server, then your account data on the server is corrupt and the server admin needs to remove it, or that server is just broken
#625 [02:03] <MBK_Randy> it must only be my account cus my friend is still on
#626 [02:03] <Kealper> oh.... i just read up to see what his problem was lol
#627 [02:03] <xales> Then the server admin needs to clear your account data for you
#628 [02:04] <xales> as it got corrupted somehow
#629 [02:04] <MBK_Randy> dam he just went to bed
#630 [02:04] <Kealper> anywho...it's 2am, i'm off to sleep
#631 [02:05] <Ruben> Hey Scott, i got a couple emails from AllGamer's already. Are any of them holding my information?
#632 [02:06] <AG_Scott> Nope. This one will be different.
#633 [02:06] <AG_Scott> We have to set it up. There's a couple orders in queue.
#634 [02:06] <Ruben> So the estimated time is a couple hours?
#635 [02:07] <MBK_Randy> or aparently i was in a blac hole cus i got in long enuff to warp to home and now its fine O.o
#636 [02:07] <AG_Scott> Around that time Ruben.
#637 [02:08] <Ruben> I will defiantly let my buddies know about this website, I love the prices on the VPS's
#638 [02:08] <Ruben> Might use them for my rsps
#639 [02:08] <Ruben> it*
#640 [02:09] <AG_Scott> Most people moan and complain about pricing.
#641 [02:10] <Ruben> I don't see why compared to other one's
#642 [02:10] <Ruben> Best one i have seen yet
#643 [02:10] <Ruben> By far
#644 [02:10] <AG_Scott> They look at sites that oversell.
#645 [02:10] <Ruben> Im included in "they"
#646 [02:10] <Ruben> Until i saw this, im glad i came across this
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#650 [02:22] <Ruben> So.. looks like im here alone..
#651 [02:23] <Ruben> #help
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#668 [03:29] <mr_fribble> Scott, you there?
#669 [03:31] <MLoeven> are there any mobs that can pass through a 1x1x1 space other than chickens
#670 [03:32] <auenf> pigs, wolves
#671 [03:32] <MLoeven> so nothing harmefull
#672 [03:32] <MLoeven> trying to see if my build will cause any issues
#673 [03:32] <mr_fribble> Fuck
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#675 [03:33] <MLoeven> even with a door there is the 1x1x1 opening for the rails and i dont want anything sneaking in
#676 [03:34] <auenf> err, 1x1 for rails?
#677 [03:42] <mr_fribble> Why not
#678 [03:53] <VoxelHead> bye agentme
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#680 [03:53] <Kenran> hi guys
#681 [03:54] <Kenran> I just tried running MC on my father's computer (want to get him to buy it)
#682 [03:54] <Kenran> but it wouldn't work
#683 [03:55] <Kenran> after I start minecraft.exe, I can login, the automatic update works
#684 [03:55] <Kenran> but after that, I get a black screen
#685 [03:55] <Kenran> it's a WinXP system with an old GeForce 5200 FX I think it is
#686 [03:56] <Kenran> but other games work fine there, so maybe you know why that is?
#687 [03:56] <Kenran> I already tried the different minecraft.exe on the page
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#689 [04:01] <Kenran> I somehow feel that maybe the GeForce is too old? or too bad?
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#692 [04:04] <Jackson413> hey is there any way to get a minecraft jar file, from the original releases?
#693 [04:04] <Jackson413> like way before beta
#694 [04:08] <_303> Jackson413: look up mcnostalgia by cyborgdragon on the forums
#695 [04:09] <Jackson413> <3
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#697 [04:09] <Telerus> Got a question
#698 [04:10] <Telerus> I'm looking for a possibley new texture pack, problem is I use an older computer and I want anew look with out the added strain
#699 [04:10] <Telerus> Any suggestions
#700 [04:10] <_303> painterly. jolicraft. quandary. eld pack...
#701 [04:10] <Telerus> Do I just google those?
#702 [04:11] <_303> there is a "texture pack central" topic on the forums
#703 [04:11] <_303> this should be it http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?t=12352
#704 [04:11] <Telerus> Yeah, but I don't really know which ones cause extra strain
#705 [04:11] <_303> by strain you mean?
#706 [04:12] <Telerus> I mean I don't want it to lag more.
#707 [04:12] <Telerus> than I already do.
#708 [04:13] <_303> 16x texture packs don't lag any more than vanilla
#709 [04:13] <_303> except if you use the hd patcher to get custom water etc
#710 [04:13] <Telerus> Alright, and how will I know what those are?
#711 [04:13] <Telerus> I'm a nub at this.
#712 [04:14] <_303> on the texture pack central topic they say whether it's 16x or HD (32x+)
#713 [04:14] <_303> there are even 4x4 texture packs o_O
#714 [04:14] <Telerus> Default says its 32x32
#715 [04:14] <Telerus> You sure on the HD being 32x32+
#716 [04:14] <_303> hd is 32x and over
#717 [04:14] <Telerus> HD is over 32, you mean?
#718 [04:14] <_303> no, 32 is hd too
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#720 [04:15] <Telerus> So default minecraft runs on 32x32 according to that post.
#721 [04:15] <_303> can't use 32x packs on vanilla minecraft without glitches. need hd patcher for those
#722 [04:15] <_303> default minecraft is 16x
#723 [04:15] <Telerus> Ah
#724 [04:15] <Telerus> maybe I will just keep it at 16x until I get a better pc.
#725 [04:15] <Telerus> Appreciate the info.
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#727 [04:16] <auenf> yes, there is a 4x4 texture pack
#728 [04:16] <Telerus> 4x4 would prolly be ugly...
#729 [04:16] <auenf> but its still physically 16x16
#730 [04:16] <auenf> actually, theres a couple of them
#731 [04:17] <_303> Telerus: there are various mods for increasing performance you could try, if that is your concern. look up optimine, optifog, caf mod...
#732 [04:18] <Telerus> Thanks 303.
#733 [04:19] <Telerus> I don't know if they have it out for 1.5 I see 1.4 atm
#734 [04:20] <_303> optimine?
#735 [04:20] <_303> http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?t=264418&f=1032
#736 [04:22] <Telerus> No this guy made a package for all the above infact I just copied what you wrote into google and it came up with that.
#737 [04:22] <Telerus> http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1032&t=290831
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#739 [04:22] <Telerus> but I will take a look at that ty.
#740 [04:22] <pico> is there an ultralow fps texture pack? for older pcs?
#741 [04:23] <Telerus> http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1032&t=290831
#742 [04:23] <Telerus> Do what im doing
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#745 [04:32] <lemon-rev> sweet its raining and its making my little platform of soil turn to watered down soil :P
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#747 [04:32] <Telerus> Hey 303
#748 [04:32] <Telerus> You mind telling me the technical reason on how it works?
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#750 [04:32] <_303> how what works?
#751 [04:33] <Telerus> Re: [1.5_01] Optimine *UNOFFICIAL*
#752 [04:33] <Telerus> It indeed works.
#753 [04:33] <Telerus> my fps on nomral is above 20 normally its like 12
#754 [04:33] <Telerus> And on tiny its above 30
#755 [04:34] <_303> original topic with more details: http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1032&t=132717
#756 [04:34] <Telerus> Ty
#757 [04:34] <_303> ~title
#758 [04:34] <McPlusPlus> "[V1.3] Optimine (FPS Boost) [OPTIMIZATION] *UPDATED* - Minecraft Forums" (http://is.gd/M4NHaU)
#759 [04:35] <Telerus> Alright well I got it now, I hope notch makes this mod something offical, because holy crap.
#760 [04:35] <Telerus> Not all of us have uber computer.s
#761 [04:35] <Telerus> And honestly i knew it was something with the processing of the chunks.
#762 [04:36] <Telerus> I can finally play effeciently with something other than tiny
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#768 [05:09] <Josh_ox3> Hello
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#770 [05:13] <lemon-rev> hi
#771 [05:13] <lemon-rev> can dyamite be hooked up with redstone ?
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#774 [05:15] <SPaRT> nice question
#775 [05:15] <lemon-rev> lol
#776 [05:15] <lemon-rev> thaks, do you know ?
#777 [05:15] <SPaRT> no but i'd like to ;)
#778 [05:15] <lemon-rev> well when its morning again im going to join them up
#779 [05:16] <lemon-rev> then set one off and boom, ill see :P
#780 [05:16] <lemon-rev> maybe too close though 4 spaces eatch so its going to be intersting
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#784 [05:25] <Minecrafter> hi
#785 [05:25] <lemon-rev> well answer is no
#786 [05:25] <lemon-rev> lol
#787 [05:25] <lemon-rev> hi minecrafter
#788 [05:26] <Minecrafter> i have a question about minecraft..
#789 [05:26] <lemon-rev> sorry was testing something
#790 [05:26] <lemon-rev> sure
#791 [05:26] <Minecrafter> is it possible to change my name in Minecraft ?
#792 [05:26] <Minecrafter> i have the official version
#793 [05:26] <lemon-rev> not sure, i know you can change your look
#794 [05:27] <Minecrafter> yes i know that too :)
#795 [05:27] <lemon-rev> but not sure about name, unless you ask mojang i think
#796 [05:27] <Minecrafter> mhh
#797 [05:27] <Minecrafter> perhaps i should do this..
#798 [05:27] <Minecrafter> ok thx for help
#799 [05:27] <Minecrafter> good bye
#800 [05:30] <SPaRT> guys, where to use the gift code?
#801 [05:30] <SPaRT> ah ok
#802 [05:30] <SPaRT> he found it
#803 [05:30] <lemon-rev> sweet
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#805 [05:31] <lemon-rev> spart seems you can only hook up redstone to dyamte and suround the stuff before it continues , also if dyamte is too close it set it off i think 4 to 3 spaces is the most you can have before it doesnt work
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#807 [05:50] <Catherine> i need help
#808 [05:51] * N couldn't've guessed that
#808 [05:52] <Catherine> when i go onto beta i break stone or cole anything thats not sand or tree and it wont give me the block
#809 [05:52] <Catherine> so then im stuck without pickaxes and other stuff
#810 [05:52] <N> Is this on multiplayer?
#811 [05:52] <Catherine> no on sp
#812 [05:53] <_303> wait, your problem is that you can't harvest stone etc without tools?
#813 [05:53] <Catherine> even without tools i cant harvest
#814 [05:54] <Catherine> i can only harvest dirt sand trees wool and meat
#815 [05:54] <N> You need to use a wooden pickaxe or better to mine stone, a stone or better to mine iron, an iron or better to mine gold and diamond
#816 [05:54] * N isn't sure about coal
#816 [05:54] <N> Punch trees, make planks and sticks, make pickaxe
#817 [05:54] <Catherine> oh ok
#818 [05:54] <Catherine> thnx
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#820 [05:55] <peru> o_O
#821 [05:57] <N> It would be cool if people said some variation of "thank you" or at least "it worked"
#822 [05:58] <NotiCon> thnx is just thanks shorten
#823 [05:59] <NotiCon> but ye that you there wont come D:
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#831 [06:30] <NewPlayer1> Greetings, looking for help to set up this game for son, anyone there?
#832 [06:30] <Morrolan> What exactly do you need help with?
#833 [06:31] <Morrolan> Huh, problem solved I guess. :/
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#846 [07:37] <SPaRT> setting up for son is usually the peaceful mode i guess
#847 [07:37] <SPaRT> he found it ^^
#848 [07:38] <skope> ah
#849 [07:38] <skope> good ol' hangover
#850 [07:38] <N> kids know how to do everything
#851 [07:39] <SPaRT> i mean, what does he want to set up?
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#853 [07:40] <N> SPaRT: He wants you to build his castle for him :D
#854 [07:41] <Wug> derp bork
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#865 [08:09] <Tetyys> Hello
#866 [08:11] <Morrolan> bye Tetyys
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#868 [08:12] <RustyDagger> sup guys?
#869 [08:13] <RustyDagger> rly all in bed huh
#870 [08:13] <RustyDagger> need some aus guys around here
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#880 [08:38] <SPaRT> me's here
#881 [08:38] <SPaRT> 'sup?
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#884 [08:45] <SPaRT> looks like im too late
#885 [08:45] <NotiCon> always
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#889 [09:04] <Lewis> hello?
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#892 [09:05] <Konata> hi, i come for a bit help
#893 [09:05] <NotiCon> ?? afl
#894 [09:06] <NotiCon> ?? ask
#895 [09:06] <Lewis> so did i
#896 [09:06] <Konata> is there anywhere the client for the minecraft classic for pc? not to play on browser
#897 [09:06] <VoxelHead> ask: Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help, and be as specific as possible.
#898 [09:06] <VoxelHead> ask: If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#899 [09:06] <Konata> i was writting fuck
#900 [09:06] <Konata> gimme time!
#901 [09:06] <Konata> <.<
#902 [09:06] <Konata> so... is there anywhere the client for the minecraft classic for pc? not to play on browser
#903 [09:06] <NotiCon> was for Lewis not you Konata
#904 [09:06] <Konata> ok D:
#905 [09:06] <Lewis> i dont get how the multiplayer works on minecraft
#906 [09:07] <NotiCon> which part of it Lewis ?
#907 [09:07] <Konata> you put the IP of the server and the port
#908 [09:07] <Lewis> all of it hehe
#909 [09:07] <Lewis> but
#910 [09:07] <Lewis> what ip or server?
#911 [09:07] <Konata> they must be given by the server
#912 [09:07] <Lewis> im so confuzzled
#913 [09:07] <Konata> it can be both by dns or by numbers
#914 [09:07] <Lewis> :-|
#915 [09:08] <Konata> for example, if its localhost, you put 192.168.1.5:25565
#916 [09:08] <NotiCon> Lewis: one guy makes the server and gives out his ip to ppl he wants to play with him on his server
#917 [09:08] <Lewis> ah ill sort that out later, i have another qiustion please
#918 [09:08] <Lewis> :o
#919 [09:08] <Konata> thats it
#920 [09:08] <Lewis> u just helped noti :)
#921 [09:08] <Lewis> thanks ;)
#922 [09:08] <Lewis> also one thing
#923 [09:08] <Konata> can anyone help me now please? xD
#924 [09:09] <Lewis> erm ill try lol
#925 [09:09] <NotiCon> Konata: no idea about classic :/
#926 [09:09] <Konata> as i told before ... is there anywhere the client for the minecraft classic for pc? not to play on browser
#927 [09:09] <NotiCon> havent played it
#928 [09:09] <Konata> :s
#929 [09:09] <Lewis> i havnt played it either sorry
#930 [09:09] <Konata> oke :x
#931 [09:09] <Lewis> hey noticon, how do you spawn things?
#932 [09:09] <Lewis> do u have to be on a server or can you do it on single player?
#933 [09:09] <Konata> n beta /give user itemID quantity
#934 [09:09] <NotiCon> things as in blocks or item?
#935 [09:10] <Lewis> i dont mind
#936 [09:10] <Konata> on single player, unless you mod it, you cant spawn
#937 [09:10] <Lewis> :(
#938 [09:10] <Konata> only on multiplayer
#939 [09:10] <Lewis> does anyone want to play it with me right now?
#940 [09:10] <Konata> for items /give user itemID quantity
#941 [09:10] <Konata> for blocks is a bit more complicated, try to search for it on minecraft wiki
#942 [09:10] <Lewis> ah klkl
#943 [09:10] <Lewis> i will ;)
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#945 [09:11] <Konata> damn i need the classic client >.<
#946 [09:11] <Lewis> NotiCon wanna play wit me on minecraft?
#947 [09:12] <Lewis> ??
#948 [09:12] <NotiCon> sorry dont have time to play minecraft atm
#949 [09:12] <Lewis> okay
#950 [09:12] <Lewis> does anyone?
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#952 [09:12] <NotiCon> you could try #smp in order to find ppl to play with
#953 [09:13] <Lewis> okay so wat do i do
#954 [09:13] <Lewis> open minecraft
#955 [09:13] <Lewis> multiplayer
#956 [09:13] <Lewis> #smp
#957 [09:13] <NotiCon> no
#958 [09:13] <NotiCon> you double click that #smp or type /join #smp
#959 [09:13] <NotiCon> here
#960 [09:13] <Lewis> ah okee
#961 [09:14] <Morrolan> Lewis: Need a server?
#962 [09:14] <Morrolan> ?? smp/server
#963 [09:14] <Morrolan> ?? smp/servers
#964 [09:14] <VoxelHead> smp/servers: There currently is no master list of all SMP servers. Fan-made indexes include http://www.mcserverlist.net/ - http://www.reddit.com/r/mcservers - http://minecraftservers.net/ - http://minecraft.dk/mcserverlist/
#965 [09:14] <VoxelHead> smp/servers: You can also find a list at the MC forums at http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewforum.php?f=1025. Also, try the #smp channel.
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#967 [09:16] <Lewis> oh yes please
#968 [09:16] <Lewis> morrilan wanna play?
#969 [09:19] <Morrolan> Lewis: Nah, busy at the moment. Just check out some of the servers on the lists I gave you, you'll surely find some which you like.
#970 [09:20] <Lewis> the link didnt work
#971 [09:21] <Morrolan> Hmm? You can't paste this into the multiplayer field of Minecraft, these sites are only serverlists, which you can visit in your browser, to look for a server.
#972 [09:21] <Lewis> i kno
#973 [09:21] <Lewis> it didnt work
#974 [09:21] <Lewis> hehe i reeli dont understand this
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#976 [09:23] <Lewis> i tried to go on one and it sed failed, user not premium
#977 [09:23] <Morrolan> Oh.
#978 [09:23] <LordTrevor> just try another server
#979 [09:23] <Morrolan> When did you buy the game?
#980 [09:23] <Lewis> i got it for free, like a couple of months ago :/
#981 [09:23] <Oerg866_> ^ wut
#982 [09:23] <Morrolan> You'll have to buy Minecraft Beta to play online.
#983 [09:23] <Morrolan> Won't work with a "free" version.
#984 [09:24] <Oerg866_> Wasnt there a free giveaway once?
#985 [09:24] <Lewis> no like
#986 [09:24] <Lewis> i got it for free, wen it would of cost
#987 [09:24] <LordTrevor> occasionly notch or them tweet gift numbers
#988 [09:24] <LordTrevor> but thats it
#989 [09:24] <Morrolan> Ah, that might be it.
#990 [09:24] <Morrolan> Lewis: What is your Minecraft username?
#991 [09:24] <Morrolan> The one with which you log in?
#992 [09:25] <Lewis> username? lol
#993 [09:25] <Lewis> its Lewis
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#995 [09:25] <Morrolan> !paid Lewis
#996 [09:26] <Lewis> is that wat it sed?
#997 [09:26] <Morrolan> Well, if Lewis is your username then you don't have a premium account.
#998 [09:26] <Oerg866> fff
#999 [09:26] <Oerg866> so.... did lewis say anything elsde'?
#1000 [09:26] <Lewis> ok...
#1001 [09:26] <Lewis> so does it cost to make it premium?
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#1003 [09:26] <Morrolan> Yep.
#1004 [09:27] <Morrolan> 15�
#1005 [09:27] <Lewis> ah that sucks
#1006 [09:27] <Morrolan> Well, it's a game like every other. ;)
#1007 [09:27] <Oerg866__> Lewis: no you
#1008 [09:27] <Lewis> ye but
#1009 [09:27] <Lewis> that meens i only have single player :'(
#1010 [09:28] <Morrolan> Lewis: Actually you shouldn't even have Singleplayer, you're using a pirated version. ;)
#1011 [09:28] <Lewis> hehehehehe
#1012 [09:28] <Oerg866__> Deinstall the game and feel bad about your very existance.
#1013 [09:28] <Lewis> nooope
#1014 [09:28] <Lewis> i like pirated games/movies
#1015 [09:28] <LordTrevor> Actually you can play on some servers, like mine
#1016 [09:28] <LordTrevor> except mines private
#1017 [09:28] <Lewis> oh
#1018 [09:28] <LordTrevor> ^_^
#1019 [09:28] <Lewis> and why can i play on some?
#1020 [09:29] <LordTrevor> offline-mode=false
#1021 [09:29] <Oerg866__> Lewis: Right about here I'd say you're not welcome in this channel.
#1022 [09:29] <Morrolan> Lewis: One last note: We will not give support on pirated versions of Minecraft, so either buy it or not, but don't ask for help here anymore. ;)
#1023 [09:29] <Lewis> ooohh mann
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#1025 [09:30] <Lewis> let me off pleeees
#1026 [09:30] <LordTrevor> Let you what >_>
#1027 [09:30] <LordTrevor> ?
#1028 [09:31] <Lewis> i thought u sed u was gonna kick me off the channel
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#1030 [09:31] <LordTrevor> lol
#1031 [09:31] <LordTrevor> wait your serious?
#1032 [09:31] <Lewis> ye....
#1033 [09:31] <LordTrevor> Allow me laugh harder.
#1034 [09:31] <Lewis> oh u was joking?
#1035 [09:32] <Morrolan> Lewis: We will not kick you, but you won't get any support either.
#1036 [09:32] <Lewis> oh.. ok
#1037 [09:32] <LordTrevor> ^this
#1038 [09:32] <Lewis> im gonna go now, ill see u later guys
#1039 [09:32] <LordTrevor> i should hope not
#1040 [09:33] <Lewis> byeee
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#1050 [09:49] <KaTiON_PT> Hello people, I've got a friend with an issue that cannot join the IRC. He recently bought Minecraft 10 minutes ago but didn't receive any e-mail confirming his account until now and cannot join the minecraft network
#1051 [09:50] <cesar0001> Okay i know minecraft does not work for my computer but i would like to know on how to fix it like what to buy can any help me?
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#1057 [09:57] <Morrolan> Kation: IRC has nothing to do with the Minecraft account.
#1058 [09:58] <LordTrevor> I, honestly cannot understand what he means.
#1059 [09:58] <stihl> Good day
#1060 [09:58] <Morrolan> LordTrevor: Guess it's because of #Minecraft requiring nick registration
#1061 [09:58] <Morrolan> Hey stihl
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#1064 [10:02] <Morrolan> Kation: If he can't talk on #Minecraft then he has to register his nickname. "/msg nickserv help" or #help for further assistance.
#1065 [10:03] <Morrolan> cesar: "Does not work on my computer" is no appropriate description, might want to give us some more information.
#1066 [10:03] <Morrolan> Anyway, I'm outside for an hour or so.
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#1069 [10:10] <cesar0001> i have a window xp i have been here before
#1070 [10:11] <cesar0001> and he/she said that its your computer
#1071 [10:11] <cesar0001> and i want to know what i need to buy to fix it
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#1074 [10:15] * g slaps #minecrafthelp around a bit with an unreasonably massive trout.
#1074 [10:15] <g> ohai
#1075 [10:17] <NotiCon> now that was silly
#1076 [10:18] <g> Indeed :P
#1077 [10:18] <g> Lol, I love skype
#1078 [10:18] <g> such random things happen on it
#1079 [10:18] <g> Was talking to a friend wearing bunny ears for like six hours yesterday
#1080 [10:18] <g> and then this morning too
#1081 [10:18] <g> and she randomly fell asleep :P
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#1096 [10:43] <donegan> how do i join a server?
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#1102 [10:52] <Hyptehhaxor> I can't get the game to run on my PC. It goes to a screen that says something about my video card and OpenGL and says try updating my video drivers and that could fix it, but I have the newest drivers installed
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#1104 [10:55] <SPaRT> donegan: just copy & paste the address of the server to the Multiplayer
#1105 [10:56] <SPaRT> omg.... what silly english
#1106 [10:56] <donegan> k thanks
#1107 [10:57] <SPaRT> im bored :-/
#1108 [10:58] <donegan> do u know any good servers?
#1109 [10:58] <SPaRT> my own :P
#1110 [10:58] <SPaRT> but it's only up when i'm on it
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#1112 [10:58] <donegan> wats the ip address
#1113 [10:58] <donegan> how often do u go on?
#1114 [10:59] <SPaRT> 88.75.149.26
#1115 [10:59] <SPaRT> i'm on almost every day
#1116 [10:59] <SPaRT> for a couple of hours
#1117 [10:59] <SPaRT> but my ip changes
#1118 [11:01] <donegan> r u on now? i might join
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#1120 [11:01] <SPaRT> im on
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#1123 [11:04] <BigMike> hey yall, im having an issue with minecraft on linux
#1124 [11:05] <Captain-Lightning> What kind of issue?
#1125 [11:05] <BigMike> i was able to set it as executable and what not, but when i run it, i get to the mojang screen and it just sits there
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#1127 [11:06] <Wug> any errors on the console?
#1128 [11:06] <Captain-Lightning> Vanilla install, right? No mods?
#1129 [11:07] <BigMike> im not running through terminal, just running it through java by double clicking the jar, and pure vanilla
#1130 [11:08] <BigMike> i just installed ubuntu on my laptop this morning, this is my first time trying to run MC in linux
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#1132 [11:11] <hmw> Anyone using Autohotkey? MC isn't accepting any input while in single player mode. Web searches only indicate, that nobody knows, what's going on (and they have slightly different variations of the problem, some can only use the macros in SP)
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#1134 [11:13] <hmw> perhaps you can recommend another macroing tool, that allows for loops and expressions?
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#1136 [11:14] <Captain-Lightning> BigMike, there is a specific terminal command you have to use in the directory your minecraft jar is in if I recall correctly
#1137 [11:15] <Captain-Lightning> java -Xmx1024M -Xms512M -cp Minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame
#1138 [11:15] <BigMike> im not very familiar with java terminal how do i get to the directory its in, its in my documents folder
#1139 [11:15] <Captain-Lightning> Open your terminal
#1140 [11:15] <Captain-Lightning> Type cd ~/documents
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#1142 [11:16] <BigMike> its telling me no file or direcotry
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#1144 [11:16] <BigMike> directory
#1145 [11:17] <Captain-Lightning> Your documents folder is in /home/whateveryournameis/documents, right?
#1146 [11:17] <BigMike> yeah i got it, had to capitalize
#1147 [11:17] <hmw> Documents perhaps?
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#1149 [11:17] <BigMike> it said it couldnt find framework
#1150 [11:17] <BigMike> do i need to unpack it
#1151 [11:18] <hmw> you dont unpack the jar files, you just start the JRE and tell it to execute that jar. Perhaps you need to install the java runtime
#1152 [11:18] <Captain-Lightning> Ninja'd.
#1153 [11:19] <Captain-Lightning> By default I don't think it comes installed
#1154 [11:19] <BigMike> im running java 6 runtime
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#1156 [11:20] <g> lol, WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
#1157 [11:21] <Captain-Lightning> No.
#1158 [11:21] * g slaps WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW around a bit with an unreasonably massive trout.
#1158 [11:21] <NotiCon> less WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW plx
#1159 [11:21] * Captain-Lightning kicks WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
#1159 [11:21] <Captain-Lightning> So many w's.
#1160 [11:22] <g> Not w's, W's.
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#1162 [11:22] <g> lol
#1163 [11:22] <NotiCon> silly
#1164 [11:22] <NotiCon> ?? l
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#1166 [11:23] <Wug> lol oops
#1167 [11:23] <Wug> I forgot I was in other channels :/
#1168 [11:24] <g> :P
#1169 [11:25] <BigMike> i ran it through terminal just by using java -jar to get a verbose startup and its telling me that its faling to open device /dev/input/event
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#1171 [11:25] <Captain-Lightning> It isn't detecting either your keyboard or your mouse then.
#1172 [11:25] <Captain-Lightning> That isn't normal.
#1173 [11:26] <BigMike> but im able to log in
#1174 [11:26] <Captain-Lightning> Java can't detect it.
#1175 [11:26] <BigMike> oh wait, it finally came up
#1176 [11:26] <BigMike> in minecraft i mean
#1177 [11:26] <BigMike> i logged into minecraft
#1178 [11:26] <Captain-Lightning> Well done.
#1179 [11:27] <BigMike> yay it works
#1180 [11:27] <BigMike> it plays smoother in linux then in win7
#1181 [11:27] <BigMike> thats nice
#1182 [11:28] <hmw> is there something like #minecraftrant? i am not far from running amok.
#1183 [11:29] <Captain-Lightning> ./join #minecraftchatter
#1184 [11:29] <Captain-Lightning> or mcchatter
#1185 [11:29] <Captain-Lightning> Either or
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#1187 [11:30] <BigMike> well, im satisfied, time to get ready for work, oh joy
#1188 [11:32] <Morrolan> hmw: I think there is a channel like this, don't remember it's name though. :/
#1189 [11:32] <Wug> one thing./nanother thing.
#1190 [11:32] <Wug> hmm
#1191 [11:33] <Wug> cow can I make myself do multiple commands
#1192 [11:33] <Wug> how*
#1193 [11:33] <Morrolan> Hmm? In IRC? Minecraft?
#1194 [11:33] <Wug> irc
#1195 [11:33] <Wug> using pchat
#1196 [11:33] <hmw> i really wonder, how it is even possible that MC doesn't accept macro-input while being only in single player. From my programmer's point of view I can't think of how i could achieve this, if I actually wanted...
#1197 [11:34] <Morrolan> hmw: You can by using a virtual keyboard I believe.
#1198 [11:34] <Morrolan> There's no "official" way though.
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#1200 [11:34] <Morrolan> Wug: You'll have to check wheter that client supports scripting of some sort.
#1201 [11:34] <Wug> its rather looking impossible
#1202 [11:35] <Wug> unless I could like... paste a return key in there
#1203 [11:36] * Wug bans captain-lightning from sending me ctcps
#1203 [11:36] <Wug> (for everyone else, I just got '* Received a CTCP COMETORISUCRAFT from Captain-Lightning' * 13
#1204 [11:36] <hmw> Morrolan: what should I be searching for? "virtual keyboard" brings up stuff like popup windows that only simulate keyboards. i suspect you mean something somewhat alike to codepages?
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#1206 [11:37] <Morrolan> hmw: Take a look at this app: http://www.vivid-abstractions.net/?p=480
#1207 [11:37] <Captain-Lightning> Well, he suggested it.
#1208 [11:37] <Morrolan> Respectivel this tutorial: http://www.vivid-abstractions.net/?p=495
#1209 [11:37] <Morrolan> respectively*
#1210 [11:37] <GLaDOS> Captain-Lightning gtfo mah #MineCraftHelp and #Risucraft
#1211 [11:37] <Wug> hmw - minecraft gets notified somehow when you hit ctrl+v. listen for it, then when it gets called, paste the keyboard.
#1212 [11:37] <Wug> clipboard*
#1213 [11:38] <Wug> something
#1214 [11:38] <hmw> hah. interesting idea, thanks wug and Morrolan
#1215 [11:38] <SPaRT> any idea how 2 find some players?
#1216 [11:38] <hmw> i want to make a "map unveiler" - so i need a for loop to make my avatar fly around in spirals
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#1218 [11:38] <Wug> something
#1219 [11:38] <Morrolan> SpaRT: For your server?
#1220 [11:39] <Morrolan> Oh, you were hear already yesterday, right?
#1221 [11:39] <SPaRT> yeah but only private
#1222 [11:39] <Morrolan> here*
#1223 [11:39] <SPaRT> im always here
#1224 [11:39] <SPaRT> :P
#1225 [11:39] <Wug> something say something else
#1226 [11:39] <Morrolan> Nah, but there was a guy who bought a VPS for a year or so, and came here asking how to get playres.
#1227 [11:39] <Wug> fffuuuuu
#1228 [11:39] <Morrolan> Wasn't you then I guess.
#1229 [11:40] <Morrolan> Anyway SPaRT: Guess your best bet is to ask in a community you already know.
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#1231 [11:40] <SPaRT> k
#1232 [11:40] <SPaRT> btw it wasnt me ^^
#1233 [11:42] <hmw> Morrolan: thanks, that C# approach might work... but I still suspect that MC is the culprit, AutoHotkey never failed me before
#1234 [11:42] <hmw> (and it works when playing on my server, !?!?)
#1235 [11:42] <Morrolan> Strange. :/
#1236 [11:43] <hmw> indeed. there's a thread filled with clueless people on the forum already :)
#1237 [11:43] <Morrolan> Oh, that's rather normal for the forums. :p
#1238 [11:43] <hmw> heheh
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#1251 [12:11] <kith0r> hi can anyone help me a bit with something?
#1252 [12:12] <Kealper> with
#1253 [12:13] <kith0r> i'd like to change my e-mail
#1254 [12:13] <kith0r> but i dont seem to find this option
#1255 [12:13] <kith0r> in my minecraft account not in irc :)
#1256 [12:13] <Morrolan> You can't.
#1257 [12:13] <Kealper> you can't atm
#1258 [12:13] <Kealper> it is planned in the future though
#1259 [12:14] <kith0r> my e-mail provider is closing what iam going to do :S
#1260 [12:14] <Morrolan> kith0r: Oh.
#1261 [12:14] <Morrolan> Send a mail to, euhm
#1262 [12:14] <Morrolan> Kealper, what's the appropriate address for this?
#1263 [12:14] <Morrolan> support@mojang.com ?
#1264 [12:15] <Kealper> yes
#1265 [12:15] <kith0r> so should i tell them my prob and try asking for a change?
#1266 [12:16] <Morrolan> Yea, I guess so.
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#1268 [12:16] <kith0r> i will try thx
#1269 [12:17] <Morrolan> You're welcome. Hope they can do something
#1270 [12:17] <Morrolan> I guess Mollstam will be happy, having to manually edit the database. ^^
#1271 [12:17] <g> :P
#1272 [12:20] <kith0r> is it so much pain in the ass to change the adress ?
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#1275 [12:21] <Minatrix> hi :]
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#1277 [12:22] <Morrolan> Hey Minatrix
#1278 [12:28] <VoxelHead> morning
#1279 [12:28] <VoxelHead> Today's episode: Dead Men Don't Laugh
#1280 [12:31] <NotiCon> VoxelHead: whats tomorrows episode?
#1281 [12:31] <VoxelHead> a joint
#1282 [12:32] <NotiCon> cute
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#1288 [12:47] <tln233> Hello i am new to Minecraft and I have questions on custom maps and mods
#1289 [12:48] <Morrolan> What exactly?
#1290 [12:48] <tln233> if i install a mod will it change the whole file
#1291 [12:48] <tln233> and im sorry if i cant respond immediately im doing e-day work
#1292 [12:49] <Morrolan> Well, it will "change" minecraft.jar , but if something goes wrong you can reinstall Minecraft and no harm is done.
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#1294 [12:51] <Aethaeryn> Will pistons be able to be used as doors when they're added?
#1295 [12:51] <SPaRT> same question in this channel: how old are the minecraft players?
#1296 [12:52] <Morrolan> SPaRT: Most are 12-16 IIRC.
#1297 [12:52] <Morrolan> Aethaeryn: Uh, I guess so.
#1298 [12:52] <tln233> thanks.. and is there any riskto my pc when downloading or using custom maps
#1299 [12:52] <tln233> im 24
#1300 [12:53] <Morrolan> tln233: Nope, custom maps are completely harmless. Mods aren't.
#1301 [12:53] <Morrolan> Oh, I guess I missunderstood your first question?
#1302 [12:53] <Morrolan> If it was wheter mods can do harm to your PC, then the answer would be yes.
#1303 [12:55] <Morrolan> SPaRT: There was a pretty big survey on the forums once, was basically that Minecraft has a lot of young players, but also that there are a lot of players around 20-
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#1305 [12:56] <Aethaeryn> Morrolan: "a lot of young players, but also that there are a lot of players around 20" <- 20 isn't young? wtf?
#1306 [12:56] <SPaRT> ah ok
#1307 [12:56] <tln233> no it was wether i could download a mod and still play classic minecraft
#1308 [12:56] <SPaRT> no elderly people like me? (im 29)
#1309 [12:56] <Morrolan> tln233: Oh yes, you can.
#1310 [12:56] <Morrolan> Aethaeryn: Young=10-16 ;)
#1311 [12:56] <tln233> but i have to reinstall ?
#1312 [12:57] <Morrolan> tln233: Well, most mods won't change that much, you know, they only add new items and stuff.
#1313 [12:57] <Wug> im young as in ~20
#1314 [12:57] <Wug> closer to 20 than 60 anyway
#1315 [12:57] <Wug> 16*
#1316 [12:57] <Wug> god I feel old now
#1317 [12:57] <tln233> 29 is pretty young...
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#1319 [12:57] <Morrolan> Depends on your point of view I guess.
#1320 [12:58] <Morrolan> I mean, my grandmother will say that 60 is young, which I find kinda strange. ;)
#1321 [12:58] <Aethaeryn> Young = probably closer to birth than death.
#1322 [12:58] <Aethaeryn> so divide the life expectancy by 2
#1323 [12:59] <Aethaeryn> eh, nevermind, gives an age too high
#1324 [12:59] <Aethaeryn> People live too long these days
#1325 [12:59] <Aethaeryn> Young < 30
#1326 [12:59] <Aethaeryn> :-P
#1327 [12:59] <tln233> i guess so but not so accurate because males life expectancy is dictacted by all of us who die doing stupid stuff when we are young
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#1329 [12:59] <bletch> a
#1330 [12:59] <Aethaeryn> tln233: that's what wolfram alpha is for
#1331 [13:00] <Aethaeryn> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=life+expectancy+20+year+old+male+united+states <- if you lived this long, you're actually likely to live longer than just no year given
#1332 [13:00] <Aethaeryn> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=life+expectancy+40+year+old+male+united+states <- and a 40 y/o is more likely to make it to a higher age, and has a longer life expectancy still
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#1334 [13:01] <Aethaeryn> just making it out of your childhood, though, adds a few years. Infancy too, really.
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#1338 [13:05] <tln233> <<even higher in Canada
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#1349 [13:10] <Morrolan> Huh, netsplit?
#1350 [13:10] <xales> Nope
#1351 [13:10] <Morrolan> Or is it just rejoining season atm?
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#1353 [13:10] <xales> I think an ISP or a backbone went down
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#1355 [13:10] <Morrolan> Hmm, yea, you could be right.
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#1357 [13:11] <tln233> I would like to encourage anyone in Canada to contact the candidates in their riding and ask them about their policy on Net neutrality
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#1370 [13:49] <tln233> do you give in game help as well ( such as tactics and strategies ) ?
#1371 [13:49] <Wug> lol no
#1372 [13:49] <tln233> kk
#1373 [13:49] <Wug> play your own way
#1374 [13:50] <Wug> though if I had to give a few tips, I'd say:
#1375 [13:50] <Wug> don't dig straight down
#1376 [13:50] <Wug> always bring wood with you everywhere
#1377 [13:50] <tln233> definately ... i just cannot seem to find redstone ... never dig straight down or straight up ..
#1378 [13:50] <Wug> stick to stone tools, they're easy to get
#1379 [13:50] <Wug> straight up is usually ok, just be prepared to block it off quick
#1380 [13:50] <tln233> i have like 200 iron
#1381 [13:51] <tln233> i like the speed
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#1383 [13:51] <Wug> don't put anything in your house you wouldnt want to set off by accident
#1384 [13:51] <Aethaeryn> What's the most effective way for one rail path to join the main path?
#1385 [13:51] <Aethaeryn> i.e. I have a circle, and I have a start area
#1386 [13:51] <Wug> if theres any chance of burning it down, dont make it out f wood
#1387 [13:52] <Wug> ?
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#1389 [13:52] <Wug> aeth, i have no idea what you're talking about
#1390 [13:53] <tln233> but i need hes talking about cart tracks
#1391 [13:53] <Aethaeryn> Wug: There's a closed circular cart track, then there needs to be ways to hop onto that track at various points
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#1393 [13:54] <Wug> you can use redstone to toggle the direction of a track at an intersection. that what you need?
#1394 [13:54] <Captain-Lightning> xales, any other ops, you on?
#1395 [13:54] <Wug> greyvulpine
#1396 [13:56] <GreyVulpine> Hmm?
#1397 [13:56] <bildramer> hm?
#1398 [13:56] <Wug> captain-lightning
#1399 [13:56] <bildramer> oh wait
#1400 [13:56] <Captain-Lightning> I was banned friday for rejoining after a kick, and the five minute ban turned into a 48 hour ban.
#1401 [13:56] <Aethaeryn> Wug: yes, perfect
#1402 [13:56] <GreyVulpine> In... minecraft?
#1403 [13:56] <Captain-Lightning> #minecraft
#1404 [13:56] * Wug fizzles about minecraft
#1404 [13:56] <bildramer> fixed
#1405 [13:57] <Captain-Lightning> Thankee kindly.
#1406 [13:57] <bildramer> 48 hours is kind of enough
#1407 [13:57] * Wug wants to be unbanned from there too
#1407 [13:57] <Wug> but agg_scott will be most irritated
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#1409 [13:57] * Wug fizzle grumble
#1409 [13:57] <Captain-Lightning> Who are the AG people?
#1410 [13:58] <Captain-Lightning> AG Scott banned me as well.
#1411 [14:00] <AG_Scott> Your ban was removed.
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#1413 [14:01] <Wug> care to remove mine as well
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#1415 [14:01] <AG_Scott> and it wasn't 48 hours...
#1416 [14:01] <AG_Scott> Umm let me see
#1417 [14:01] <GarmaZed> Hey everyone. I've already uninstalled/reinstalled both Minecraft and Java and I'm having an issue with the game.
#1418 [14:01] <Wug> do go on
#1419 [14:01] <GreyVulpine> GarmaZed - What issue?
#1420 [14:02] <GarmaZed> It'll go to a black screen (crash), and when I reload and load world, only my inventory and location in the world is saved. The world itself doesn't save the chanes I made to it.
#1421 [14:02] <Wug> what are your system specs?
#1422 [14:02] <GarmaZed> So I'm constantly being loaded somewhere in a block, dieing, or I can't get to my base, etc.
#1423 [14:03] <AG_Scott> Wug, 2 more days
#1424 [14:03] <Wug> I get that sometimes on my laptop (which is a pathetic excuse for a computer)
#1425 [14:03] * Wug grumbles
#1425 [14:03] <GarmaZed> Win 7 Home Premium, 64-bit. Intel Core2Duo E4600 (2.4GHz), Nvidia 9800GTX
#1426 [14:03] <GarmaZed> And 8GB ram.
#1427 [14:03] <Wug> more than capable I'd say
#1428 [14:03] <GarmaZed> Yeah.
#1429 [14:03] <Wug> you have 64 bit java?
#1430 [14:04] <AG_Scott> Captain-Lightning, sorry, I forgot to remove your ban last night. Fell asleep.
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#1433 [14:04] <GarmaZed> I've never checked that, I've never had problems with it before, but I'll look into that.
#1434 [14:04] <Wug> if you've never checked, you almost certainly have 32 bit java
#1435 [14:04] <GarmaZed> It says x86 architecture, so 32-bit.
#1436 [14:05] <Wug> hop out and get the 64 bit version. you need to use yucky IE to do so (the website checks what browser you're using. use IE64)
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#1438 [14:05] <GarmaZed> K, I'll give that a try. First time I've had that problem, odd.
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#1440 [14:06] <GarmaZed> Gotta close browser for it, I'll be back to update ya.
#1441 [14:06] <GarmaZed> (using Chatzilla)
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#1455 [14:29] <Michiru> looking for some black screen help, checked the forums but no luck
#1456 [14:29] <Michiru> am i going to get booted for even bringing up this topic?
#1457 [14:30] <Michiru> anybody even active here?
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#1459 [14:32] <aetherian> yes
#1460 [14:32] <aetherian> but if you wait long enough, the person leaves. it truly it hilarious.
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#1463 [14:35] <GarmaZed> Hey, I'm back. It's working great after changing Java to 64-bit. :) Thanks for the help!
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#1482 [15:08] <bread> hi vox!
#1483 [15:08] <VoxelHead> Bread^##$!@$#�.
#1484 [15:08] <bread> :D
#1485 [15:08] <VoxelHead> =]
#1486 [15:08] <NotiCon> vox!
#1487 [15:09] <VoxelHead> howdy Noticon
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#1489 [15:12] <Wug> OMG EVERYONE I LOVE IS HERE
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#1491 [15:12] * Wug applies Noticon and Vox to bread and eats it
#1491 [15:12] <VoxelHead> *applies Wug back with a capital*
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#1493 [15:13] * bread pokes vox in the toe.
#1493 [15:13] <VoxelHead> ow! my scrotum!
#1494 [15:13] <bread> :O
#1495 [15:13] <VoxelHead> i say
#1496 [15:13] <VoxelHead> I say, umm...
#1497 [15:14] <VoxelHead> what am i doing here?! wait, where are my underpants?.
#1498 [15:14] <bread> I stole them, vox!
#1499 [15:14] <Wispur> Hello, I just recieved an "End of Stream" error when trying to connect to a server that wasn't a problem before. Is there a definite fix for this?
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#1501 [15:16] <xales> Wispur: Is it more than one server, or just the one?
#1502 [15:17] <Wispur> A couple now. Trying more. It's just weird that it wasn't a problem three days ago.
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#1504 [15:19] * VoxelHead . o O ( ? )
#1504 [15:19] <NotiCon> xD
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#1506 [15:20] <g> .oO(lol)
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#1508 [15:23] <Ruben> Hello?
#1509 [15:23] <aetherian> who goes there
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#1512 [15:26] <Jackson413> kealper: you here?
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#1515 [15:27] <white_boy93> excuse me can anyone help me run minecraft?
#1516 [15:27] <Jackson413> sure
#1517 [15:27] <Jackson413> whats up
#1518 [15:27] <white_boy93> great^^
#1519 [15:28] <white_boy93> ok first off i have ubuntu 11.04
#1520 [15:28] <white_boy93> or 01 i forget
#1521 [15:28] <Jackson413> oh gawd
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#1523 [15:28] <AG_Scott> Have you installed Sun Java?
#1524 [15:28] <VoxelHead> what?
#1525 [15:28] <AG_Scott> VoxelHead, shut up
#1526 [15:28] <Ruben> Scott
#1527 [15:28] <VoxelHead> Bah.
#1528 [15:28] <Esarai> just out of curiosity, how many chunks does the far-fog setting display?
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#1530 [15:28] <AG_Scott> Ruben, I was about to email you.
#1531 [15:28] <white_boy93> ive instaled the java package available from the download center
#1532 [15:28] <Ruben> You have a second?
#1533 [15:28] <Ruben> Alright, thanks so much.
#1534 [15:28] <AG_Scott> But you opened a ticket and I'm about to reply to it now.
#1535 [15:28] <Ruben> Alright.
#1536 [15:28] <AG_Scott> I literally had a compose window up writing it and then I see a ticket D:
#1537 [15:29] <white_boy93> anyways, it was working fine, the i installed my radeon ATI dricer
#1538 [15:29] <white_boy93> *driver
#1539 [15:29] <Ruben> ;P
#1540 [15:29] <Ruben> Sorry :S
#1541 [15:29] <white_boy93> and now it just shuts off when i start using it
#1542 [15:29] <Ruben> I really hope something can be done
#1543 [15:29] <white_boy93> i see
#1544 [15:30] <white_boy93> so do u think theres anything i can do?
#1545 [15:30] <white_boy93> or somewhere i can go 4 help?
#1546 [15:30] <AG_Scott> Ruben, there is!
#1547 [15:30] <AG_Scott> I replied.
#1548 [15:30] <Ruben> Scott
#1549 [15:31] <Ruben> I would like vps
#1550 [15:31] <Ruben> Also, would i get the money left over from buying the vps?
#1551 [15:31] <AG_Scott> white_boy93, have you enabled the Canonical Partners repo?
#1552 [15:31] <white_boy93> im sorry what might that be?
#1553 [15:31] <AG_Scott> Ruben, I can either refund that or just add it as an account credit for future invoices.
#1554 [15:31] <AG_Scott> white_boy93, go to the update manager
#1555 [15:32] <Ruben> Can you refund it please.
#1556 [15:32] <Ruben> Ill manually buy the VPS
#1557 [15:32] <Ruben> Whatever save's you time, ill work with
#1558 [15:32] <white_boy93> in the minecraft folder?
#1559 [15:32] <AG_Scott> Do you need any data off the server?
#1560 [15:32] <AG_Scott> white_boy93, no.
#1561 [15:32] <AG_Scott> Under system > administration in Ubuntu
#1562 [15:33] <AG_Scott> Well if you're using 11.04 you likely have Unity so you'll have to search for update manager.
#1563 [15:33] <white_boy93> i have update manager
#1564 [15:33] <white_boy93> no wait
#1565 [15:33] <AG_Scott> okay open it and click settings
#1566 [15:34] <white_boy93> damn the new display in 11 doesnt have "system"
#1567 [15:34] <Ruben> So Scott, is the refund in process?
#1568 [15:34] <Ruben> Sorry to bother so much lol
#1569 [15:35] <AG_Scott> Ruben, you don't have any data on it right?
#1570 [15:35] <Ruben> On what?
#1571 [15:35] <white_boy93> ok brb im gonna sign on ubuntu classic brb
#1572 [15:36] <zeros9> white_boy93: i have just updated to 11, if you open the Ubuntu Software Center you can go up to the system bar at the top of the screen
#1573 [15:36] <Ruben> If your talking about cpanel, no i deleted all my messages a minute ago
#1574 [15:37] <AG_Scott> Ruben, so you don't need anything that may be on it?
#1575 [15:37] <Ruben> No, i never used it.
#1576 [15:37] <AG_Scott> actually lets go to a PM
#1577 [15:38] <Ruben> k
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#1579 [15:38] <white_boy> ok back
#1580 [15:39] <Jackson413> hey how is this possible
#1581 [15:39] <Jackson413> https://www.minecrafthost.ca/
#1582 [15:39] <Jackson413> how is it this cheap
#1583 [15:39] <Jackson413> possible
#1584 [15:39] <white_boy> so what would i have to do to make minecraft work again (it stopped working since i installed the ATI driver in ubuntu)
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#1587 [15:43] <VoxelHead> I like them ;)
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#1590 [15:47] <Wug> I'd say try uninstalling the driver
#1591 [15:47] <Wug> or did it not work before that either
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#1593 [15:51] <white_boy93> it worked before i installed it except the sound was bugging so i decided to install the driver
#1594 [15:51] <white_boy93> the sound works better but i can't start minecraft
#1595 [15:51] <white_boy93> when i do it crashes as soon as i log in...
#1596 [15:51] <Wug> does it give an error message?
#1597 [15:52] <white_boy93> nope
#1598 [15:52] <Wug> you may have to launch it directly from a console window to check
#1599 [15:52] <white_boy93> either freezes up or shuts off
#1600 [15:52] <white_boy93> how would i do that
#1601 [15:52] <Wug> so pull up a terminal and launch it from there
#1602 [15:52] <Wug> accessories -> terminal
#1603 [15:52] <white_boy93> do you know what id have to type?
#1604 [15:52] <Wug> you should just have to type the name of the launcher
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#1606 [15:53] <Wug> (which you can do by dragging the file onto the terminal)
#1607 [15:53] <white_boy93> keep it mine its a .jar file
#1608 [15:53] <Jackson413> hey does anyone know about these guys https://www.minecrafthost.ca/
#1609 [15:53] <white_boy93> ok dragged it, it started
#1610 [15:54] <white_boy93> now its freeezing up
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#1612 [15:54] <Caniac> question - I just changed my skin and the world I play is not on my list, but I clearly see the save in my saves folder
#1613 [15:54] <white_boy93> but nothings written
#1614 [15:54] <AG_Scott> Jackson413, never heard of them.
#1615 [15:54] <xales> Jackson413: No, but given the prices, it's probably crap
#1616 [15:54] <AG_Scott> Is it a legit company or 12 year olds in their basement?
#1617 [15:54] <xales> ^
#1618 [15:54] <Jackson413> idk
#1619 [15:54] <Jackson413> they say they are cloud
#1620 [15:54] <xales> AG_Scott: Did allgamer start off as 12 year olds in basement? :P
#1621 [15:54] <xales> Jackson413: "cloud" is a marketing buzzword
#1622 [15:54] <AG_Scott> No. :P
#1623 [15:55] <Jackson413> oh...well
#1624 [15:55] <xales> it means nothing, and them saying that means nothing
#1625 [15:55] <Jackson413> well im trying their trial
#1626 [15:55] <Jackson413> hell what do i have o lose
#1627 [15:55] <AG_Scott> What is their IP?
#1628 [15:55] <Jackson413> https://www.minecrafthost.ca/
#1629 [15:55] <AG_Scott> I mean, your servers IP.
#1630 [15:55] <AG_Scott> So many minecraft "hosts" just resell burst/thrust
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#1632 [15:55] <xales> AG_Scott: Inb4 84.x.x.x:25569
#1633 [15:56] <Supermandee> is any problem with connecting to servers? i have this problem
#1634 [15:56] <xales> Supermandee: Can you be more specific?
#1635 [15:56] <Jackson413> some day i might start having vps
#1636 [15:57] <Jackson413> vps's
#1637 [15:57] <Supermandee> I am playing on server by hamachi with my friends and it report. Connection failed: Bad login PLS help me
#1638 [15:57] <Jackson413> hamachi is illegal?
#1639 [15:57] <xales> Supermandee: What is your minecraft username?
#1640 [15:57] <AG_Scott> Illegal as in violating the law? no.
#1641 [15:58] <Jackson413> isnt it?
#1642 [15:58] <AG_Scott> Illegal as not following set standards? yes.
#1643 [15:58] <AG_Scott> as in not*
#1644 [15:58] <Jackson413> it is enabling someone to gain access that normally you need to pay
#1645 [15:58] <Jackson413> to get
#1646 [15:58] <xales> Jackson413: Hamachi is just a method of connecting
#1647 [15:58] <xales> it's a shitty VPN program
#1648 [15:58] <AG_Scott> Hamachi is a crappy VPN service.
#1649 [15:58] <xales> it has nothing to do with Minecraft
#1650 [15:59] <Wug> and if causes us far too many problems
#1651 [15:59] <Jackson413> huh?
#1652 [15:59] <Caniac> Oo don't think my question ever got through... I can't access my saves ever since I just changed my skin
#1653 [15:59] <Wug> ?? hamachi
#1654 [15:59] <Jackson413> explain what hamachi is fully
#1655 [15:59] <xales> Caniac: Changed it how?
#1656 [15:59] <xales> Jackson413: Look it up
#1657 [15:59] <Supermandee> Yeah, hamachi is crap.
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#1659 [15:59] <xales> Supermandee: What is your Minecraft username?
#1660 [15:59] <Caniac> downloaded one of the skins via minecraftforum, then uploaded via minecraft.net/skins
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#1662 [16:00] <xales> Caniac: That wouldn't have any effect on saves...
#1663 [16:00] <Wug> caniac - change it to something else, its probably broken somehow and causing graphical crashes on world load
#1664 [16:00] <Supermandee> my username is Makabe
#1665 [16:00] <Caniac> the name, you mean?
#1666 [16:00] <xales> Supermandee: You haven't purchased Minecraft
#1667 [16:00] <xales> the game is not free
#1668 [16:00] <xales> you have to buy it to play it
#1669 [16:01] <Wug> I apologize for using hydrairc way back when
#1670 [16:01] <Wug> I didn't know it spammed everyone when I left
#1671 [16:02] <Supermandee> Yes i know, i want to buy it. This is short term. I buy game when my paypal will be charged.
#1672 [16:02] <Wug> lol we're not going to help you play illegally
#1673 [16:02] <xales> Supermandee: You cannot play it unless you have bought it
#1674 [16:02] <Wug> so gtfo
#1675 [16:03] <Wug> we'll help you troubleshoot connection issues once the issue is you haven't bought the game.
#1676 [16:03] <Wug> until then, glhf
#1677 [16:03] <Caniac> Wug - I changed the save folder name, still nothing
#1678 [16:03] <Supermandee> I looks now that i cant. Maybe Mc.net stop work my illegal version.
#1679 [16:03] <Wug> so, I mean change your skin
#1680 [16:03] <Wug> put your save folder back
#1681 [16:03] <Caniac> ah ok lol
#1682 [16:03] <Supermandee> thanks for help
#1683 [16:04] <Wug> lol np
#1684 [16:04] <Wug> no problem
#1685 [16:05] <Wug> (you're using a translator. whoops. shouldn't use slang acronyms with those, sorry)
#1686 [16:05] <xales> Wug: how can you tell? lol
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#1690 [16:06] * Wug hasn't been paying attention. Wug has been listening to deadmau5
#1690 [16:06] <VoxelHead> ooh, I like that one
#1691 [16:06] <Wug> you bet your ass you do, vox
#1692 [16:06] <VoxelHead> your ass-you
#1693 [16:06] <greyhorn327> hey can someone help me with a minecraft problem?
#1694 [16:06] <Wug> ? thats not a sentence vox
#1695 [16:06] <Wug> sure I'll [try to] help
#1696 [16:07] <Wug> well spit it out
#1697 [16:07] <greyhorn327> okay thank you. basically i tried modding earlier today and it didnt work out, so i redownloaded the .minecraft folder
#1698 [16:07] <greyhorn327> and
#1699 [16:07] <greyhorn327> theres a problem where the torches and stuff have lines all round them
#1700 [16:07] <greyhorn327> here ill send a link
#1701 [16:08] <greyhorn327> http://img402.imageshack.us/i/20110501122404.png/
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#1703 [16:09] <greyhorn327> i redownloaded everything, is there anything else that could possibly be affcting minecraft?
#1704 [16:09] <xales> greyhorn327: Possibly graphic options
#1705 [16:09] <lemon-rev> greyhorn327 its not a problem its normal its the games engine i dont know why its on that shot though and it wont interfear with the game correct, are you running something in the back ground of your game ?
#1706 [16:10] <Wug> yeah, minecraft looks like that if you turn on anti-aliasing
#1707 [16:10] <Wug> if you're on an nvidia card, set your 3d preferences to 'let the application decide'
#1708 [16:10] <greyhorn327> nah it doesnt inetrfere with anything, its just annoying :p and im not runnng anthing in the backround. How do I turn off anti-aliasing?
#1709 [16:10] <Wug> i'm not sure what the amd equivalent is
#1710 [16:10] <Wug> do you know what graphics card you have?
#1711 [16:10] <greyhorn327> nvidia
#1712 [16:11] <Wug> ok, pull up the nvidia control panel
#1713 [16:11] <greyhorn327> k i changed it to let the application decide
#1714 [16:11] <greyhorn327> let me try minecraft now
#1715 [16:11] <Wug> ok, restart minecraft, should be fixed
#1716 [16:12] <Wug> i've seen that before on my own machines, you also get purple tinged water and the bouncing text at the main menu has the same white lines
#1717 [16:12] <greyhorn327> oh much better :) thank you so much!
#1718 [16:12] <Wug> np
#1719 [16:13] <Wug> do we have a success counter or something?
#1720 [16:13] <Wug> success++
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#1722 [16:15] <Caniac> ok so I've tried various skins, still same issue.. even went back to default
#1723 [16:15] <xales> Caniac: It could be unrelated
#1724 [16:16] <xales> does it also crash in a new world?
#1725 [16:16] <Caniac> I'll try that right now
#1726 [16:16] <Wug> do you have any mods?
#1727 [16:16] <Caniac> no mods at all
#1728 [16:16] <Wug> and how are you changing your skin?
#1729 [16:16] <Wug> through the website right?
#1730 [16:16] <Caniac> yes
#1731 [16:16] <Caniac> minecraft.net/skin
#1732 [16:17] <Wug> ok.
#1733 [16:17] <Wug> just making sure you're not doing anything insane like patching your jar
#1734 [16:17] <Wug> what if you force updat
#1735 [16:17] <Wug> e
#1736 [16:17] <Caniac> how do I prompt that
#1737 [16:18] <xales> Caniac: in the launcher, before clicking login
#1738 [16:18] <xales> go to options -> force update
#1739 [16:18] <xales> then login
#1740 [16:18] <Caniac> alright
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#1742 [16:22] <Wug> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFb2OHzkFfY
#1743 [16:22] <Wug> just sayin
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#1747 [16:25] <VoxelHead> Bye pierpaf.
#1748 [16:25] <AG_Scott> What the fuck.
#1749 [16:25] <AG_Scott> Why do people call us for support?
#1750 [16:26] <Caniac> okay - new world works, did a force update and I still don't see my save
#1751 [16:26] <AG_Scott> I'm going to call hostgator and ask them about how I can host a website on my computer at home! :D
#1752 [16:27] <xales> AG_Scott: Record it plz
#1753 [16:27] <xales> brrb
#1754 [16:27] <VoxelHead> i wish they didn't have to go =[
#1755 [16:27] <AG_Scott> I can't.
#1756 [16:27] <AG_Scott> Confidentiality etc.
#1757 [16:27] <xales> Suuure
#1758 [16:27] <xales> :|
#1759 [16:29] <Caniac> any other suggestions before I just redownload minecraft again?
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#1761 [16:30] <Lartza> My NOT-gate why won't it work?? :S
#1762 [16:35] <Lartza> the lever turns the torch on the same block off but not under the door
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#1764 [16:36] <Lartza> if there is no torch under the door the wire gets on/off with the lever
#1765 [16:36] <Lartza> not-gate
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#1767 [16:36] <Lartza> or it's not a NOT-gate... mhh...
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#1773 [16:49] <xconspirisist> hey folks. I am using the linux client. I get a socket exception and "Can't connect to minecraft.net" when trying to login. I am using the .jar, just downloaded it. Any suggestions?
#1774 [16:54] <Kealper> oh gosh...so tired....should not have did that walk-a-thon
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#1776 [16:55] <Kealper> xconspirisist: do you repeatedly get it?
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#1778 [16:56] <LordTrevor> !up minecraft.net
#1779 [16:56] <GreyBot> LordTrevor: It's just you. http://minecraft.net is up.
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#1781 [16:56] <xconspirisist> Ah.
#1782 [16:56] <LordTrevor> No idea then
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#1784 [16:56] <Kealper> hmm
#1785 [16:56] <Kealper> xconspirisist: type nslookup minecraft.net into a terminal window
#1786 [16:57] <xconspirisist> All happy; 50.16.203.217
#1787 [16:57] <Kealper> hmm...
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#1789 [16:58] <Catherine> i need help
#1790 [16:58] <Kealper> ??> Catherine ask
#1791 [16:58] <VoxelHead> Catherine: (ask) Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help, and be as specific as possible.
#1792 [16:58] <VoxelHead> Catherine: (ask) If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#1793 [16:58] <xconspirisist> I'm using the SUN Jre on Debian. It's a normal Java exception in the console; java.net.SocketException: Network is unreachable
#1794 [16:58] <Catherine> i cant access minecraft website
#1795 [16:58] <xales> Catherine: What does it say?
#1796 [16:59] <Catherine> it keeps saying problem loading page
#1797 [16:59] <Kealper> hmm....
#1798 [16:59] <xales> ??> xconspirisist java/linux/ipv6
#1799 [16:59] <xales> no wrong name
#1800 [16:59] <xales> one sec
#1801 [16:59] <Kealper> wait
#1802 [16:59] <Kealper> he's not using the server
#1803 [16:59] <Kealper> he is getting this on his client
#1804 [16:59] <xales> oh
#1805 [16:59] <xales> that's interesting
#1806 [16:59] <Kealper> quite
#1807 [16:59] <xales> Catherine: Go to start -> run -> type "cmd" -> click run
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#1809 [16:59] <xales> then type "ping minecraft.net"
#1810 [16:59] <xales> it will reply with "Pinging minecraft.net [xx.xx.xx.xx]"
#1811 [17:00] <xales> what are the numbers inside the brackets?
#1812 [17:00] <xconspirisist> ipv4. 50.16.203.217
#1813 [17:00] <Catherine> it says it is not recognized
#1814 [17:00] <xales> Catherine: Can you write exactly what it says?
#1815 [17:00] <Kealper> Catherine: don't type the quotes with it
#1816 [17:01] <Catherine> ok
#1817 [17:01] <Kealper> just ping minecraft.net
#1818 [17:01] <xconspirisist> damn, this is annothing.
#1819 [17:01] <Catherine> it says that it is not recognized as an internal or external command
#1820 [17:01] <xconspirisist> *annoying.
#1821 [17:01] <xales> Catherine: Did you type it with quotes?
#1822 [17:01] <Catherine> no
#1823 [17:02] <xales> type here exactly what you wrote ._.
#1824 [17:02] <Catherine> Ping.minecraft.net
#1825 [17:02] <Kealper> xconspirisist: quite...since i don't have any idea what could be it...
#1826 [17:02] <Kealper> Catherine: not ping.minecraft.net
#1827 [17:02] <Kealper> ping minecraft.net
#1828 [17:02] <Catherine> oh ok
#1829 [17:03] <Catherine> 127.0.0.1 is what is inside brackets
#1830 [17:03] <Kealper> xconspirisist: hmm...first thing's first....you can get on the website, right?
#1831 [17:03] <Catherine> no
#1832 [17:03] <Catherine> nvm thats not me
#1833 [17:03] <Kealper> Catherine: that was to a different person
#1834 [17:03] <xales> Catherine: He isn't talking to you
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#1836 [17:03] <xales> Catherine: The reason it says 127.0.0.1 is because you are/were playing a pirated version of Minecraft
#1837 [17:04] <Kealper> i will be saying the person who i am talking to before each thing, if it is not directed at everyone
#1838 [17:04] <Kealper> Catherine: but yes, do you know what your hosts file is?
#1839 [17:04] <Catherine> no
#1840 [17:04] <xconspirisist> Kealper: Of course ;)
#1841 [17:04] <xales> Catherine: Go to C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc
#1842 [17:04] <Kealper> Catherine: also, what is your ingame username
#1843 [17:04] <xales> ah, yeah, what Kealper said first :P
#1844 [17:04] <Catherine> mine is CaTn1P
#1845 [17:05] <Kealper> xconspirisist: ok then, and it lets you log in fine?
#1846 [17:05] <Kealper> !paid CaTn1P
#1847 [17:05] <xconspirisist> Ahh easy, just forced Java to use IPv4.
#1848 [17:05] * Kealper headtilts
#1848 [17:05] <xconspirisist> Is there a bugtracker for minecraft, I'll file a bug report.
#1849 [17:05] <Kealper> xconspirisist: wait, it has that issue on debian for the client too?
#1850 [17:05] <Catherine> k im in etc
#1851 [17:05] <xconspirisist> Kealper: Apparently so :P
#1852 [17:05] <xales> Catherine: Open the file 'hosts' in notepad
#1853 [17:06] <xales> Delete the line with minecraft.net on it
#1854 [17:06] <xconspirisist> Just the standard -Djava.net.preferIPv4Stack=true works fine.
#1855 [17:06] <xales> then save the file
#1856 [17:06] <GreyVulpine> xconspirisist - Bugtracker is here: http://getsatisfaction.com/mojang
#1857 [17:06] <Kealper> xconspirisist: it's a known bug with debian for the server to bind the v6 address, but i never knew it was affecting the client stuff too
#1858 [17:06] <xales> also, Catherine, you haven't paid for Minecraft, and are playing it illegally
#1859 [17:06] <xconspirisist> Kealper: Not suprising.
#1860 [17:06] <xales> we will provide no futher support to you other than allowing you to access minecraft.net until/unless you buy it
#1861 [17:07] <Kealper> xconspirisist: i was thinking of saying that at first, but then decided against it because i was like "it's already being given the address, it can't possibly be screwing up that bad..."
#1862 [17:07] <xconspirisist> hehe.
#1863 [17:07] <Kealper> guess i was proven wrong ._.
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#1865 [17:07] <xconspirisist> aww, segfault, yay ;)
#1866 [17:07] <GreyVulpine> Kealper? Wrong? *gasps*
#1867 [17:07] * Kealper makes a note that the v6 stack bug affects clients too
#1867 [17:08] <VoxelHead> I do love a good makesing.
#1868 [17:08] <xconspirisist> Kealper: Are you a dev?
#1869 [17:08] <VoxelHead> Eh?
#1870 [17:08] <Kealper> xconspirisist: no, just a semi-important community member lol
#1871 [17:08] <xconspirisist> heh, kay.
#1872 [17:09] <Catherine> it says access is denied
#1873 [17:09] <GreyVulpine> Catherine - In order to play minecraft, you need to pay for an account. You haven't.
#1874 [17:09] <xales> Catherine: Are you on Windows XP or 7/Vista?
#1875 [17:09] <Catherine> i just wanna play classic now
#1876 [17:10] <Catherine> on 7
#1877 [17:10] <xales> Catherine: Start -> All Programs -> Accessories -> Notepad -> Run as Administrator
#1878 [17:10] <xales> then use File->Open to find the hosts file
#1879 [17:10] <Catherine> theres 2 minecraft lines
#1880 [17:11] <Catherine> 127.0.0.1 www.minecraft.net 127.0.0.1 minecraft.net
#1881 [17:11] <xales> delete both of them
#1882 [17:11] <Catherine> k
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#1884 [17:11] <Catherine> done
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#1886 [17:11] <Kealper> xales: randomly just remembered this... i gave up with making a StringLeft function...found that i could use strcpy to do the same thing, although it's not as clean looking :/
#1887 [17:12] <xales> Kealper: strncpy
#1888 [17:12] <xales> one line
#1889 [17:12] <Kealper> there is strcpy and strncpy
#1890 [17:12] <xales> yes
#1891 [17:12] <xales> use strncpy
#1892 [17:12] <Catherine> thank you guys
#1893 [17:12] <xales> strncpy(dest, source, number)
#1894 [17:12] <Kealper> oh, i was doing strcpy(dest, &source[number])
#1895 [17:13] <Kealper> which returns weird things if number is longer than the length of the char array
#1896 [17:14] <xales> alsol
#1897 [17:14] <xales> also*
#1898 [17:14] <Kealper> (which now that i think about it, was probably caused from it reading memory that i should not have been reading)
#1899 [17:14] <xales> the & there is redundant...I think
#1900 [17:14] <xales> you shouldn't need it
#1901 [17:14] <Kealper> no, won't compile without it
#1902 [17:14] <xales> O_o
#1903 [17:14] <xales> that's weird
#1904 [17:14] <xales> oh
#1905 [17:14] <xales> I know why
#1906 [17:14] <xales> nevermind
#1907 [17:14] <xales> but a more succint way of putting it is
#1908 [17:14] <xales> source + number
#1909 [17:14] <xales> lol
#1910 [17:14] <xales> pointer arithmetic is fun
#1911 [17:14] <xconspirisist> Okay, so are there any known segfaults with the linux client?
#1912 [17:14] <Kealper> pointer arithmetic is breaking my brain
#1913 [17:15] <Kealper> when is it segfaulting?
#1914 [17:15] <xales> xconspirisist: Any segfaults would likely be a java issue
#1915 [17:15] <xconspirisist> Upon loading a single player level.
#1916 [17:15] <xales> as it's not really possible for a java application to, in itself, cause a segfault. it means java is freaking out
#1917 [17:15] <xconspirisist> xales: Well the segfault will come from the java executable, but yeah.
#1918 [17:16] <Kealper> methinks reinstall of java might fix?
#1919 [17:16] <xales> ^
#1920 [17:16] <xales> reinstall java, yeah
#1921 [17:16] <xconspirisist> That is not going to help :P
#1922 [17:17] * Kealper is not the best help when it comes to linux, windows is my playground ._.
#1922 [17:17] <xales> xconspirisist: What distro?
#1923 [17:17] <xconspirisist> Kealper: Understood, thanks anywoo.
#1924 [17:17] <xconspirisist> xales: Debian, Squeese.
#1925 [17:17] <xales> `sudo update-alternatives --config java`
#1926 [17:17] <xales> make sure sun-java6 is selected
#1927 [17:17] <xconspirisist> It is.
#1928 [17:18] <Kealper> he's got sun and not openjdk already
#1929 [17:18] <xconspirisist> I'll strace it.
#1930 [17:18] <xales> that or gdb
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#1932 [17:19] <Kealper> anyways, if a java program told java to do something wonky, couldn't that cause a segfault?
#1933 [17:23] * Kealper plays with a ham antenna
#1933 [17:23] <Kealper> hamtenna....
#1934 [17:23] <Kealper> lol
#1935 [17:24] <xconspirisist> Kealper: The virtual machine should always prevent that, a segfault is a bug in the implementation of the virtual machine.
#1936 [17:24] <xconspirisist> Kealper: Nice, what do you havE?
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#1939 [17:25] <Kealper> this is just a cheap 39mm chinese antenna, normally it sits perched atop an icom t8a lol
#1940 [17:25] <Kealper> handheld
#1941 [17:25] <Kealper> but the antenna...is just...so...floppy...lol
#1942 [17:25] <Kealper> it's like a redneck whip for handhelds
#1943 [17:25] <xconspirisist> heh.
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#1945 [17:26] <ILLeS> Is there somebody here?
#1946 [17:27] <Kealper> yessir
#1947 [17:27] <Kealper> (or ma'am)
#1948 [17:27] <ILLeS> =D i need some help with minecraft
#1949 [17:27] <VoxelHead> I've already got one
#1950 [17:27] <Kealper> what sort of help?
#1951 [17:27] <VoxelHead> yes yes, it's very nice.
#1952 [17:27] <ILLeS> ive just bought the game
#1953 [17:27] <ILLeS> and when i enter a new world
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#1955 [17:28] <Tetyys> Hello
#1956 [17:28] <ILLeS> i hits things
#1957 [17:28] <Kealper> Tetyys: hello
#1958 [17:28] <ILLeS> but i dont destroy them
#1959 [17:28] <Kealper> ILLeS: are you holding the left mouse button or just clicking it really fast?
#1960 [17:28] <ILLeS> clicking
#1961 [17:29] <ILLeS> i must hold it?
#1962 [17:29] <Tetyys> Hold better
#1963 [17:29] <Kealper> hold it down, click is to punch things, holding is to repeatedly punch things
#1964 [17:29] <ILLeS> lol it worked
#1965 [17:29] <ILLeS> thanks xD
#1966 [17:30] <Kealper> i do think that the game should say that though, many people come here with that same question :/
#1967 [17:30] <Tetyys> :/
#1968 [17:30] <xales> ILLeS:
#1969 [17:30] <xales> !tutorial
#1970 [17:30] <ILLeS> yep
#1971 [17:30] <Kealper> oh, yeah, forgot about that video...if you haven't already, watch it
#1972 [17:30] <VoxelHead> mmm fizyplankton
#1973 [17:31] <ILLeS> Ok!
#1974 [17:31] <Kealper> it's just a few minutes long, but it is full of all the basics of surviving your first night
#1975 [17:31] <ILLeS> thanks!
#1976 [17:32] <Kealper> man that would hurt so bad if someone got whiped with this antenna...i was just waving it back and forth and smacked myself in the arm with it on accident....lawd...
#1977 [17:33] <Tetyys> Derp
#1978 [17:35] <Tetyys> Hurr
#1979 [17:36] * Kealper will brb
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#1981 [17:37] * Tetyys fails
#1981 [17:38] * gPad2002 shrugs
#1981 [17:38] * Tetyys wat
#1981 [17:38] * gPad2002 tastes crunchy
#1981 [17:39] * AkiTensai1 runs with scissors.
#1981 [17:39] * Tetyys eats gPad2002
#1981 [17:39] * gPad2002 already did that part
#1981 [17:40] * Tetyys suicides
#1981 [17:40] * Kealper is back
#1981 [17:40] * Kealper types ._.
#1981 [17:40] <Kealper> ._.
#1982 [17:41] <Tetyys> |*-*|
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#1989 [17:50] <VoxelHead> i like them :o)
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#1992 [17:59] <NinjaKirby> Wow, I only just realised the direction the Lever sits upon a Block, can make all the difference -_- I guess the positioning is randomised
#1993 [17:59] <NinjaKirby> It's probably troubled me in the past, and I never even noticed the hit and miss nature as well
#1994 [18:00] <Kealper> lol
#1995 [18:00] <NinjaKirby> Although vertical mounts are presumably unaffected, just horizontal
#1996 [18:03] <NinjaKirby> I find it's really satisfying when you squeeze a zillion cicuits into a tiny space.
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#2000 [18:09] <xales> Kealper: CLI visualizer
#2001 [18:09] <xales> O_O
#2002 [18:09] <xales> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7950795/DESKTOPS/smilo/Screenshot03.png
#2003 [18:10] <bread> It's awesome
#2004 [18:10] <bread> :>
#2005 [18:10] <VoxelHead> :)
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#2007 [18:12] <slimer> g
#2008 [18:12] <bread> h
#2009 [18:12] <LordTrevor> e
#2010 [18:12] <bread> m
#2011 [18:13] <slimer> i made a server and i cant figure out how to make people builders without giving them op cause i dont want them to use the codes how do i make them just builders?
#2012 [18:13] <xales> slimer: People can build without having op
#2013 [18:13] <xales> they just can't build near the spawn
#2014 [18:14] <slimer> really thats it?
#2015 [18:14] <slimer> tyvm
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#2022 [18:47] <whidgle> have allow flight on in my server but i cant figure out how to use it
#2023 [18:47] <whidgle> i
#2024 [18:48] <Kealper> that is not to fly
#2025 [18:48] <whidgle> whats it for?
#2026 [18:48] <Kealper> to stop hackers from flying
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#2028 [18:49] <whidgle> i see
#2029 [18:49] <whidgle> ty
#2030 [18:52] <xales> Kealper: I made a remote now-playing script
#2031 [18:52] <xales> lol
#2032 [18:52] <xales> it sucks at the moment, but it works
#2033 [18:52] <Kealper> lol
#2034 [18:52] <xales> also, fun fact:
#2035 [18:52] <xales> if you had my IP, you could control my music
#2036 [18:53] <xales> remotely
#2037 [18:53] <xales> :|
#2038 [18:53] <Kealper> lol
#2039 [18:58] <relsqui> I used to have a website set up where anyone with the url could queue songs to a playlist
#2040 [18:58] <relsqui> that I could then listen to from home
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#2043 [19:08] <Morrolan> I really shouln't watch horror movies after eight in the evening. :/
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#2045 [19:11] <xolotl> Morrolan: (Vaguely related) When I was a kid, a friend and I decided to stay up REAL LATE and watch Alien and Aliens (the only two out at the time), and it would be SO FREAKY, etc, etc ...
#2046 [19:11] <xolotl> ... except we waited up way too long and the sun was already coming up before Aliens was over, and we were far too tired to really appreciate it
#2047 [19:11] <xolotl> Total fail.
#2048 [19:12] <Morrolan> ^^
#2049 [19:12] <gPad2002> :P
#2050 [19:12] <VoxelHead> =D
#2051 [19:12] <xolotl> My mom was bustling around making coffee and stuff while Ripley fought off the queen
#2052 [19:12] <Morrolan> XD
#2053 [19:13] <Morrolan> I mean, the movie itself wasn't that scary (apart from the whole crew dieing in like the last five minutes ^^), but now I'm seeing fucking zombies everywhere.
#2054 [19:13] <Morrolan> Oh well, anyway. Atleast I have a reason to stay up for an hour or so now. :p
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#2056 [19:19] <zucchini> i keep getting the error "unknown host" to a server i have been in before any help?
#2057 [19:20] <Morrolan> zucchini: Most likely the server is down.
#2058 [19:20] <Morrolan> Could you give us the IP, so one of us could check as well?
#2059 [19:21] <Morrolan> If you prefer not to you could try to ping the ip address.
#2060 [19:21] <zucchini> i know its up cuz my friend id in it but its 173.212.250.58.25560
#2061 [19:21] <Morrolan> make a : out of the . at the end, and it should work
#2062 [19:21] <Morrolan> 173.212.250.58:25560
#2063 [19:22] <zucchini> thank you for helping me with my poor reading skills
#2064 [19:22] <Morrolan> Hehe, you're welcome. :)
#2065 [19:23] <xales> Morrolan: By the way, never connect to servers yourself to test them
#2066 [19:23] <xales> always use AuBot
#2067 [19:24] <xales> GreyVulpine got his session ID stolen from him doing that, and it was used to grief on another server under his account
#2068 [19:24] <Morrolan> xales: Yea, I was there when GreyVulpine said what happened.
#2069 [19:24] <xales> ah, ok
#2070 [19:24] <Morrolan> Thanks for the heads up though. :)
#2071 [19:25] <relsqui> oh, huh. that's good to know.
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#2073 [19:26] <Morrolan> relsqui: Luckily that modified server doesn't seem to be public though, since I've never heard any complaints of something like this happening again.
#2074 [19:26] <Morrolan> Not public available I mean.
#2075 [19:26] <relsqui> yeah.
#2076 [19:26] <relsqui> why is that possible? :\ I mean, fromm a security development standpoint
#2077 [19:27] <xales> relsqui: Notch >:|
#2078 [19:27] <xolotl> xales: Hm, interesting; someone was collecting session IDs on the login request and then using that on other servers?
#2079 [19:27] <xolotl> Fairly interesting; I wonder how long it takes for those to expire
#2080 [19:27] <xales> xolotl: Indeed
#2081 [19:27] <Morrolan> Hmm yea, seems the handshake is not specific for one server, but generic.
#2082 [19:28] <xales> I think(?) it's 15 minutes
#2083 [19:28] <xolotl> eep
#2084 [19:28] <xales> Hi mollstam.
#2085 [19:28] <xales> >:|
#2086 [19:28] <relsqui> heh
#2087 [19:28] <VoxelHead> ^_^
#2088 [19:28] <Morrolan> Oh well, atleast someone is happy. :D
#2089 [19:28] <xolotl> Yeah, they should really store an IP in the session on the auth server, and only permit if it matches
#2090 [19:28] <xolotl> Still exploitable, of course, but more difficult to do so
#2091 [19:29] <lukegb> 4f8:101:2403::2:1 PRIVMSG #minecrafthelp :Technically it is somewhat specific. It depends upon the server's hash. But the server can always just MITM the other server's login request...
#2092 [19:29] <VoxelHead> basically, The best kind of it
#2093 [19:30] * xolotl looks up the login spec; it's been awhile
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#2095 [19:35] * GreyVulpine peeks in, late, after being highlighted
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#2096 [19:36] <Morrolan> GreyVulpine: Must have been ages ago though. ^^
#2097 [19:36] <Morrolan> (Wasn't me, but still)
#2098 [19:36] <GreyVulpine> <+Morrolan> xales: Yea, I was there when GreyVulpine said what happened.
#2099 [19:37] <Morrolan> Oh
#2100 [19:37] <GreyVulpine> LIES!
#2101 [19:37] * lemursrule111 [lemursrule111@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#2102 [19:37] <Morrolan> It was even me, geez. XD
#2103 [19:37] <lemursrule111> hello]
#2104 [19:37] <Morrolan> hey Lemurusrule
#2105 [19:37] <lemursrule111> im having some issues...
#2106 [19:37] <Morrolan> Yep?
#2107 [19:37] <lemursrule111> with a multiplayer sever
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#2109 [19:37] <Morrolan> And what exactly? ;)
#2110 [19:38] <lemursrule111> It's running on a really good computer yet and can hardly support two people
#2111 [19:38] <lemursrule111> any suggestions?
#2112 [19:38] <GreyVulpine> http://www.speedtest.net/
#2113 [19:39] <GreyVulpine> Make sure it's got the bandwidth for it?
#2114 [19:39] <lemursrule111> yup a business type...
#2115 [19:39] <Morrolan> GreyVulpine: Would be rather strange though, since one of these two people is most likely connected locally.
#2116 [19:39] <lemursrule111> and the second is like my neighbor
#2117 [19:39] <lemursrule111> ...
#2118 [19:40] <lemursrule111> We crash, can delete a block nothing...
#2119 [19:40] <lemursrule111> cant*
#2120 [19:40] <Morrolan> :/
#2121 [19:41] <GreyVulpine> How do you crash?
#2122 [19:41] <lemursrule111> it says 'connection lost'
#2123 [19:41] <lemursrule111> and some other stuff to'
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#2125 [19:41] <GreyVulpine> What other stuff?
#2126 [19:41] <lemursrule111> 1 sec
#2127 [19:43] <lemursrule111> gonna see if i crash 1 sec
#2128 [19:43] <lemursrule111> keep in mind that the server is not hosted on my computer
#2129 [19:43] <GreyVulpine> Where is it hosted?
#2130 [19:43] <lemursrule111> my fathers across the hall
#2131 [19:44] <GreyVulpine> Is it hooked up via ethernet or wireless to your router?
#2132 [19:44] <lemursrule111> he uses that specific computer for work purposes
#2133 [19:44] <VoxelHead> Toless wire.
#2134 [19:44] <lemursrule111> yeah
#2135 [19:44] <GreyVulpine> I'm sorry, which?
#2136 [19:44] <lemursrule111> wait what?
#2137 [19:45] <GreyVulpine> Is it hooked up via ethernet or wireless to your router?
#2138 [19:45] <lemursrule111> wireless
#2139 [19:45] <Morrolan> Just ignore Vox, he's a bot. ;)
#2140 [19:45] <GreyVulpine> Could you run a speedtest.net on that computer?
#2141 [19:45] <GreyVulpine> It'll give you an image with the results at the end, give a URL of it to us.
#2142 [19:46] <lemursrule111> ok but i have to go test on that computer
#2143 [19:46] <lemursrule111> tbe right back
#2144 [19:46] <lemursrule111> be*
#2145 [19:46] * GreyVulpine is thinking connection problem, either slow wireless, or internet connection
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#2146 [19:47] <Morrolan> GreyVulpine: It had to be really slow then though. :/
#2147 [19:47] <Morrolan> Like, not even able to support one player?
#2148 [19:47] <GreyVulpine> With a NIC as a possible secondary.
#2149 [19:48] <GreyVulpine> Well, it's on his father's computer, and a neighbor connecting.
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#2151 [19:50] <BrytonPwnz> help me
#2152 [19:50] <GreyVulpine> With?
#2153 [19:50] <BrytonPwnz> It wont let me talk in #minecraft.
#2154 [19:50] <GreyVulpine> ?? irc
#2155 [19:50] <VoxelHead> irc: For IRC help, you should ask in the channel #help - you can get there using the command "/join #help"
#2156 [19:50] <VoxelHead> irc: If you can't talk in #minecraft ("Cannot send to channel") you must register your IRC nickname, using the command "/msg NickServ REGISTER password email". Remember to use a valid email. Go to #help if you need further assistance with this
#2157 [19:50] <BrytonPwnz> Says "cannot connect to #minecraft"
#2158 [19:50] <relsqui> BrytonPwnz: also, in general, consider reading the topics of channels you join.
#2159 [19:51] <GreyVulpine> No, you're already in #minecraft
#2160 [19:51] <GreyVulpine> You need to register your nickname
#2161 [19:51] <GreyVulpine> Follow VoxelHead's instructions
#2162 [19:51] <lemursrule111> ok
#2163 [19:51] <GreyVulpine> lemursrule111 - Got an image link for us?
#2164 [19:51] <lemursrule111> i couldnt test it now but he tested it earlier.
#2165 [19:51] <lemursrule111> the said it was fast
#2166 [19:51] <relsqui> haha
#2167 [19:51] <VoxelHead> you won't make a fool of this Irken invader
#2168 [19:51] <BrytonPwnz> yay
#2169 [19:51] <BrytonPwnz> Thanks guys
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#2171 [19:52] <GreyVulpine> Could you tell us what the upload speed of the computer was lemursrule111?
#2172 [19:52] <lemursrule111> he also wanted me to mention that we have a business type internet conection
#2173 [19:52] <lemursrule111> Because he works from home
#2174 [19:52] <Morrolan> lemursrule: Now if he's using the PC right now this could be the cause of the lag as well.
#2175 [19:53] <Morrolan> If he's doing anything CPU intensive, that is.
#2176 [19:53] <GreyVulpine> I could be on an ISDN line, and it'd still qualify as a "Business-type" internet connection
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#2178 [19:53] <BrytonPwnz> k
#2179 [19:53] <GreyVulpine> It really doesn't tell me much
#2180 [19:53] <BrytonPwnz> i made an account with nickserv
#2181 [19:53] <BrytonPwnz> ಠ_ಠ
#2182 [19:53] <Morrolan> Yea, now wait for the confirmation mail.
#2183 [19:53] <BrytonPwnz> ohk
#2184 [19:53] <GreyVulpine> ^
#2185 [19:53] <lemursrule111> Whenever i use the server, he is done working and has nothing open at the time
#2186 [19:53] <Morrolan> lemursrule: ok.
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#2188 [19:54] <lemursrule111> if i test the speed on my computer it should be the same correct?
#2189 [19:54] <BrytonPwnz> K thanks
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#2191 [19:54] <lemursrule111> We are of course using the same internet conection.
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#2193 [19:54] <VoxelHead> I wish they didn't have to go =O.
#2194 [19:55] <GreyVulpine> lemursrule111 - I suppose.
#2195 [19:55] <lemursrule111> I'll test now.
#2196 [19:55] <Morrolan> If you're hooked up to the same wireless router I guess.
#2197 [19:55] <VoxelHead> routerless wire
#2198 [19:56] <GreyVulpine> I'm more concerned with the computer the server is running on. It could be a NIC problem, it could be that he's running some other upload in the background, saturating his computer's network, or his wireless connection to his router.
#2199 [19:56] <GreyVulpine> It could also be a firewall issue, but I haven't heard anything that might indicate that yet
#2200 [19:56] <lemursrule111> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1277232822.png
#2201 [19:56] <lemursrule111> There it is on MY PC.
#2202 [19:57] <GreyVulpine> That's a respectable average cable connection.
#2203 [19:58] <AG_Scott> GreyVulpine, do you know the username limits for minecraft?
#2204 [19:58] <VoxelHead> if i just reach in here
#2205 [19:58] <VoxelHead> *squelch*
#2206 [19:58] <VoxelHead> then the answer will be on this little bit of card
#2207 [19:58] <GreyVulpine> AG_Scott - Not off the top of my head..
#2208 [19:58] <AG_Scott> okay
#2209 [19:58] <Morrolan> Uhm, wasn't it a-z and 0-9 only? Not sure though. :/
#2210 [19:58] <GreyVulpine> Probably 15 characters?
#2211 [19:58] <Morrolan> Or are _ valid as well?
#2212 [19:58] <Morrolan> Oh, the length you mean?
#2213 [19:58] <GreyVulpine> _ is valid
#2214 [19:58] <AG_Scott> are hyphens allowed?
#2215 [19:59] <AG_Scott> both Morrolan
#2216 [19:59] <Morrolan> Never seen someone with one, but don't know. :/
#2217 [19:59] <GreyVulpine> hmm
#2218 [19:59] <GreyVulpine> !paid almightybob_ps
#2219 [19:59] <GreyVulpine> That's 14 characters there
#2220 [20:00] <lemursrule111> So Grey, what do you thinl?
#2221 [20:00] <lemursrule111> think*
#2222 [20:01] <GreyVulpine> lemursrule111 - My first inclination is to check for firewalls, make sure there's no security software that's blocking minecraft.
#2223 [20:01] <GreyVulpine> Then, updating the NIC's drivers.
#2224 [20:01] <lemursrule111> ok
#2225 [20:01] <lemursrule111> Got it thanks for the help!
#2226 [20:01] <lemursrule111> I'll try those
#2227 [20:01] <GreyVulpine> If that doesn't work, see if you can't get him to connect via ethernet, eliminate the wireless as a bottleneck
#2228 [20:02] <VoxelHead> aless wires
#2229 [20:02] <lemursrule111> ok
#2230 [20:02] <lemursrule111> Thanks!
#2231 [20:02] <GreyVulpine> Sure, come back if it still doesn't work.
#2232 [20:04] <GreyVulpine> !paid DartZandTargetZ
#2233 [20:04] <GreyVulpine> 15 characters..
#2234 [20:05] <GreyVulpine> !paid definitive_prize
#2235 [20:05] <GreyVulpine> 16..
#2236 [20:07] <GreyVulpine> Looks like 16 is the max?
#2237 [20:07] <lemursrule111> ok gery
#2238 [20:08] <lemursrule111> grey
#2239 [20:08] <GreyVulpine> Yeah
#2240 [20:08] * GreyVulpine pokes AG_Scott, "Probably 16 is the character limit"
#2240 [20:08] <lemursrule111> He said he thinks that'll work
#2241 [20:08] <GreyVulpine> What will work?
#2242 [20:08] <AG_Scott> okay
#2243 [20:09] <lemursrule111> ethernet
#2244 [20:09] <GreyVulpine> Alright.
#2245 [20:09] <lemursrule111> Thanks for all your help!
#2246 [20:09] <GreyVulpine> Sure thing.
#2247 [20:09] <lemursrule111> See ya!
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#2249 [20:13] <miner311> hi guys, mine craft locks up my computer every time i press the login,
#2250 [20:13] <miner311> any ideas, ive already re- installed java and the game exe
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#2252 [20:15] <Morrolan> miner: So as soon as you press login it locks up completely?
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#2254 [20:21] <miner311> yes
#2255 [20:22] <miner311> whole computer freezez have to power down and restart it
#2256 [20:23] <miner311> hi guys, mine craft locks up my computer every time i press the login, any ideas, ive already re- installed java and the game exe
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#2258 [20:25] <Morrolan> Oh well, I'm off for today, just hang around a bit, most likely someone will be able to help you out.
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#2261 [20:32] <mr_pants> hello?
#2262 [20:34] <xales> Hi
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#2266 [21:02] <gPad2002> rm -fr /
#2267 [21:02] * gPad2002 pokes AuBot
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#2273 [21:13] <VoxelHead> i like them -_-
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#2278 [21:34] <NinjaKirby> Is it possible to go too fast for tightly laid minetracking and find yourself running off?
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#2280 [21:34] <aetherian> no
#2281 [21:34] <aetherian> well
#2282 [21:34] <aetherian> not by normal means
#2283 [21:34] <aetherian> if you place 8+ carts on a 2*2 circle
#2284 [21:34] <aetherian> some may fly off
#2285 [21:35] <NinjaKirby> Right, I guess I'm safe then
#2286 [21:35] <aetherian> makes a great booster, by the way
#2287 [21:35] <NinjaKirby> Trying to use the same 3x3 ascension tower for descent as well.
#2288 [21:35] <aetherian> four carts in a small circle
#2289 [21:35] <NinjaKirby> lol, the bump physic I guess
#2290 [21:36] <aetherian> it's a pain to get them to rotate the correct direction
#2291 [21:36] <NinjaKirby> Wait, bad idea, because I'll just go back on myself anyway
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#2309 [22:34] <Lish> fuuuuu
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#2312 [22:37] <Lish> you know what would be wonderful right now?
#2313 [22:37] <Lish> a rage channel.
#2314 [22:37] <Lish> garhaserasdfasdfa;sdofij
#2315 [22:37] <CruelNoise> What do you mean?
#2316 [22:37] <xales> /join #fuihaewhrwuiehfogryawg
#2317 [22:37] <CruelNoise> I'm sure #minecraft could accomodate to that
#2318 [22:38] <Lish> heh
#2319 [22:38] <VoxelHead> =)
#2320 [22:38] <CruelNoise> Hi voxel
#2321 [22:38] <VoxelHead> ^_^
#2322 [22:39] <Lish> fricking moron of a "server admin" (the one I was in here raging about for three days a couple of months ago when he installed minecraft) corrupted areas in my damn map.
#2323 [22:39] <Lish> grrrrrr.
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#2329 [22:51] <robocopforever> I came here yesterday having problems logging in. Those issues have resolved themselves thankfully, however now that I have recovered my account, I still cannot download the client, or play in the browser. I get the "user not premium" message everytime. I purchased the game well over a year ago, and have had 0 problems the entire time until I uninstalled the game and tried to reinstall
#2330 [22:51] <robocopforever> it
#2331 [22:53] <robocopforever> Anyone else report the same or like issue? I've sent another email to support, but they still have not gotten back to me on my original issue (that was more than a week ago) so I am not to hopeful on getting any sort of help from them.
#2332 [22:55] <xales> robocopforever: We can't really help with account issues, but "User not premium" means the transaction either got charged back, completely disappeared (extremely unlikely), or you are confused about what account you bought it on
#2333 [22:58] <robocopforever> Right, I know you guys can't directly help, but I was just curious if you have heard anything. I only have one account, as far as I know lol, and I doubt a year and a half old transaction would have gotten charged back. Thanks though.
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#2336 [23:01] <arcanis> hello
#2337 [23:01] <xales> Hi
#2338 [23:02] <arcanis> I'm trying to active four contiguous pistons with redstone
#2339 [23:02] <arcanis> do you know if it's possible ?
#2340 [23:02] <Lish> ...pistons?
#2341 [23:02] <Lish> in minecraft?
#2342 [23:02] <Lish> I'm intrigued.
#2343 [23:02] <xales> We can't really support mods, but someone here who was used that might be able to help you
#2344 [23:03] <arcanis> it would be the same with anything else, no ?
#2345 [23:03] <arcanis> wire will not be in front of blocks due to their auto-merge, so they won't be alimented
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#2349 [23:16] <VoxelHead> bye n
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#2351 [23:24] <Orbitoid> last line of the server.log file:
#2352 [23:24] <Orbitoid> 2011-05-02 07:22:52 [INFO] Done (593924000ns)! For help, type "help" or "?"
#2353 [23:25] <xales> Orbitoid: Does it just immediately stop then?
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#2355 [23:26] <Orbitoid> no it takes a few mins
#2356 [23:26] <Orbitoid> the logs stop there
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#2358 [23:26] <Orbitoid> but the server itself runs for a few mins and then just takes me back to the cli prompt
#2359 [23:26] <Orbitoid> i can even log into it and make changes and everything
#2360 [23:26] <Orbitoid> until it dies
#2361 [23:27] <xolotl> Unrelatedly but apropos of the server line, I've always been amused at the precision with which it tells you how long it took for the server to start
#2362 [23:27] <Orbitoid> it is good :P
#2363 [23:27] <Orbitoid> when i loaded it with 512MB of ram it told me off:
#2364 [23:28] <Orbitoid> 2011-05-02 07:22:52 [WARNING] **** NOT ENOUGH RAM!
#2365 [23:28] <Orbitoid> 2011-05-02 07:22:52 [WARNING] To start the server with more ram, launch it as "java -Xmx1024M -Xms1024M -jar minecraft_server.jar"
#2366 [23:28] * VoxelHead is blown away by force of Orbitoid's statement
#2366 [23:28] <xales> Orbitoid: That's normal
#2367 [23:28] <Orbitoid> oh and btw it has stopped again
#2368 [23:28] <xales> Orbitoid: Are you running the server in screen or something...? It's possibly some other process it stopping it for some reason
#2369 [23:29] <Orbitoid> yeah i am running it in screen
#2370 [23:29] <Orbitoid> should i try out of screen?
#2371 [23:30] <VoxelHead> watch out for the moose
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#2373 [23:31] <miner311> please Halp .... just bought the game and when i click "log in" locks my computer down , same thing happens trying to run in browser have re-installed both the game and java a few times now...
#2374 [23:31] <xales> ??> miner311 win/dxdiag
#2375 [23:31] <VoxelHead> miner311: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "save log" file and save it to your desktop.
#2376 [23:31] <VoxelHead> miner311: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link you are sent to, and paste it here.
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#2378 [23:31] <xolotl> Orbitoid: I'd be suprised if screen was getting in the way
#2379 [23:31] <xolotl> Orbitoid: Unless you're consistently locking it after it's started, of course
#2380 [23:31] <xales> xolotl: I'm afraid screen might be gobbling a SIGTERM/KILL
#2381 [23:31] <xales> and closing itself, while hiding the cause
#2382 [23:31] <xolotl> Though that usually only affects terminal apps
#2383 [23:32] <xolotl> xales: Could be
#2384 [23:32] <Orbitoid> hmm
#2385 [23:32] <Orbitoid> ok if i try it without screen how can i get it run when i'm not ssh'd into the box?
#2386 [23:33] <xolotl> Orbitoid: You'd only want to run it outside of screen as a test
#2387 [23:33] <xolotl> Orbitoid: Keeping it in screen a good plan long-term
#2388 [23:34] <xolotl> (I imagine just about everybody who runs a MC server in Linux does so)
#2389 [23:35] <miner311> http://pastebin.com/wAtQsmjA
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#2391 [23:35] <miner311> xates did that work?
#2392 [23:36] <xales> Sorry, yes
#2393 [23:36] <miner311> ah sorry meant that to voxelhead
#2394 [23:36] <xales> VoxelHead is a bot
#2395 [23:36] <VoxelHead> SILENCE!^*!*��^$%percent�
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#2397 [23:36] <Orbitoid> whats the link to download minecraft again?
#2398 [23:36] <xales> Hmm
#2399 [23:37] <xales> Orbitoid: http://minecraft.net/download.jsp
#2400 [23:37] <miner311> shit did i just fall for somthing retarded then ?
#2401 [23:37] <xales> miner311: What?
#2402 [23:37] <xales> Did you download Minecraft from somewhere other than minecraft.net?
#2403 [23:38] <miner311> ive tried both of the links on the minecraft .net site , but only useing minecraft.net
#2404 [23:38] <Orbitoid> ok i have started the server again without screen
#2405 [23:38] <Orbitoid> i'll let you know if it dies or if it stays up for more than 10mins
#2406 [23:39] <xales> miner311: What did you mean by "shit did i just fall for somthing retarded then" then?
#2407 [23:39] <miner311> you said that voxelhead is a bot,,,, and he's the one that guided me through getting the info on paistebin
#2408 [23:40] <LordTrevor> hes a bot
#2409 [23:40] <LordTrevor> a good one
#2410 [23:40] <Kealper> vox does that from time to time
#2411 [23:40] <Kealper> lol
#2412 [23:40] <miner311> lol ok
#2413 [23:40] <LordTrevor> Voxelhead how does I pastebin?
#2414 [23:40] <VoxelHead> teamwork
#2415 [23:40] <Kealper> ^
#2416 [23:40] <xales> Kealper: ever heard of miner311's issue?
#2417 [23:40] <bread> lol
#2418 [23:40] <bread> <3
#2419 [23:41] <Kealper> uh...what issue?
#2420 [23:41] <LordTrevor> :o thats the first time hes responded to me
#2421 [23:41] <bread> has vox said anything scary recently?
#2422 [23:41] <miner311> ust bought the game and when i click "log in" locks my computer down , same thing happens trying to run in browser have re-installed both the game and java a few times now...
#2423 [23:41] <miner311> that one
#2424 [23:41] <Kealper> locks your computer down? how?
#2425 [23:41] <Kealper> like, what do you mean by locks down
#2426 [23:42] <miner311> cant cntl alt del, cant move the mouse ...only way to do anything is to hard shutdown it with the power button
#2427 [23:42] <Kealper> ok so it completely locks up....
#2428 [23:42] <miner311> yah
#2429 [23:42] <Orbitoid> can you run anything else that uses java?
#2430 [23:42] <Kealper> hmm...what all have you tried? (so i don't repeat anything you already did)
#2431 [23:42] <miner311> cant think of anything else that runs java orbitoid,
#2432 [23:43] <Kealper> actually first...what OS are you running, and how old is your computer?
#2433 [23:43] <miner311> comp is couple years old, running windows vista,
#2434 [23:43] <Kealper> do you know how to open a cmd window?
#2435 [23:44] <Kealper> also, are you playing in the browser or in the downloaded client?
#2436 [23:44] <miner311> cant remeber how to, and it happens in the browser or with the client
#2437 [23:44] <miner311> ive uninstalled and re-installed both java and the client a couple times as well
#2438 [23:44] <Kealper> ok, since you're on vista, it's quite easy, you know that search bar in the bottom of your start menu? just type cmd into that and press enter
#2439 [23:45] <miner311> and tried to force update the client that gets a progress bar and then it locks up after the green bar fills
#2440 [23:45] <VoxelHead> And thaaan?
#2441 [23:45] <Kealper> vox, shut up
#2442 [23:45] <VoxelHead> Hai!
#2443 [23:45] <Kealper> not hai, shut up
#2444 [23:45] <miner311> ah yah kk got the cmd window
#2445 [23:45] <Kealper> >.>
#2446 [23:45] <Kealper> type java -version
#2447 [23:45] <Kealper> just to see if java even works
#2448 [23:45] <Kealper> (even though it should do this just fine)
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#2450 [23:46] <Kealper> did it say a java version with like 1.6.0 and other crap in it?
#2451 [23:46] <miner311> okay it says java version "1.6.0_25"
#2452 [23:47] <miner311> yup
#2453 [23:47] <Kealper> ok then..onwards!
#2454 [23:47] <Kealper> ??> miner311 win/dxdiag
#2455 [23:47] <VoxelHead> miner311: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "save log" file and save it to your desktop.
#2456 [23:47] <VoxelHead> miner311: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link you are sent to, and paste it here.
#2457 [23:47] <xales> Kealper: Did that already
#2458 [23:47] <Kealper> oh
#2459 [23:47] <Kealper> really?
#2460 [23:47] <Kealper> anything strange?
#2461 [23:48] <xales> Not particularly
#2462 [23:48] <miner311> http://pastebin.com/wAtQsmjA
#2463 [23:48] <xales> http://pastebin.com/wAtQsmjA
#2464 [23:48] <xales> yeah
#2465 [23:48] <miner311> ther is the link again
#2466 [23:48] <xales> That
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#2468 [23:48] <Kealper> ok so that is more than enough to play minecraft....hmmmm
#2469 [23:49] * Kealper puts on his thinking cap
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#2470 [23:50] <Kealper> tried win/profile?
#2471 [23:50] <Kealper> (to xales)
#2472 [23:50] <Orbitoid> ok it stopped again so it isnt screen casuing the issue
#2473 [23:50] <Orbitoid> (sorry to interject)
#2474 [23:50] <xales> Kealper: Nope
#2475 [23:51] <Kealper> ??> miner311 win/profile
#2476 [23:51] <VoxelHead> miner311: (win/profile) It may be helpful to isolate whether this is a problem with your user account, or with your system as a whole.
#2477 [23:51] <VoxelHead> miner311: (win/profile) Please create a new user profile (a computer user, not a new Minecraft account), log in as that user, and try Minecraft from there. If it works, there's something on your profile that's breaking Java or Minecraft. If not, there's something amiss with your system as a whole.
#2478 [23:52] <miner311> should i make the new on a standard or admin?
#2479 [23:52] <Kealper> doesn't matter, any fresh account will do
#2480 [23:53] <miner311> okay and now log into that one right ?
#2481 [23:53] <Kealper> yeah, then try playing MC on that accout
#2482 [23:53] <Kealper> account*
#2483 [23:53] <miner311> okay i shall return...i hope
#2484 [23:53] <Kealper> D:
#2485 [23:54] <Kealper> ok so xales....i got to thinking...
#2486 [23:54] <xales> ?
#2487 [23:54] <xales> C?
#2488 [23:54] <xales> lol
#2489 [23:54] <Kealper> well, it was not really any particular language
#2490 [23:54] <xales> oh, okay, continue
#2491 [23:54] <xales> :P
#2492 [23:54] <Kealper> my server's NIC goes boom every so often due to minecraft's packetspam..
#2493 [23:55] <xales> lol
#2494 [23:55] <Kealper> so...here is what i got to thinking...
#2495 [23:56] <Kealper> program to proxy all minecraft connections and basically just fire off server-to-client packets every like...25ms or so, so it would buffer them, send them in one large packet, and then empty the buffer to wait for more data
#2496 [23:57] <Kealper> so it would send fewer, larger packets instead of really tiny packets every 5us
#2497 [23:58] <GreyVulpine> http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/7068/crowbarwheatley2.jpg
#2498 [23:58] <Kealper> i already make a PoC of this in AutoIt...but that's the issue...it works fine for one connection, but if i make this able to scale to cater multiple connections, it's going to cause some lag for the people on it
#2499 [23:58] <GreyVulpine> http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/6715/cakenc.jpg
#2500 [23:58] <Kealper> lol
#2501 [23:59] <GreyVulpine> This guy's got some good material here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1782465
#2502 [23:59] <xales> GreyVulpine: bread's bot appears to have gone nuts
#2503 [23:59] <xales> and is now spewing Portal 2
#2504 [23:59] <GreyVulpine> O.o