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#11 [01:04] <Miner3216> When I click play on my Dl'd version of minecraft (Non-pirated) it just quickly goes to a black screen and closes itself help? (I can give you my comps specs if you need them. But my comp should be able to play it)
#12 [01:08] <Wug> Miner3216: how about you give us your account name
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#14 [01:11] <Miner3216> its miner3216
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#16 [01:11] <conrad> hello, i need server tech. support.
#17 [01:12] <Wug> ;hp miner3216
#18 [01:12] <WugBot> miner3216 has paid for minecraft.
#19 [01:12] <Wug> conrad: what seems to be the problem
#20 [01:12] <Miner3216> You think I lied?
#21 [01:12] <Miner3216> Read my original post
#22 [01:12] <Wug> Miner3216: generally, when people come in and the first thing they do is advertise that they're using the non pirated version
#23 [01:12] <Wug> it sets off alarm bells
#24 [01:12] <Miner3216> Mmk
#25 [01:12] <Wug> and we usually check anyway
#26 [01:13] <conrad> um, the server i play on has been giving me a "end of stream" or "java.conectionrest" error.... for the past 5 hours.
#27 [01:13] <conrad> t*reset
#28 [01:13] <Wug> conrad: the server is probably having issues, you'll have to wait for them to be fixed by the server owner
#29 [01:13] <Wug> Miner3216: has it ever worked on that computer
#30 [01:13] <Miner3216> conrad the server has been shut down or turned off
#31 [01:13] <conrad> there are other people on, i checked the server map.
#32 [01:13] <Miner3216> No it's a *new computer*
#33 [01:14] <Miner3216> conrad, have you tried the simplest solution as to restart your computer?
#34 [01:14] <Wug> conrad: whats the server address
#35 [01:14] <Wug> Miner3216: did you put a ! in your windows username
#36 [01:15] <conrad> i recently (as in right befor the errors started) got a local ban for trying to get an appeal for a friends ban.
#37 [01:15] <conrad> erm... mine.minecrafttown.com:25565
#38 [01:15] <Miner3216> no.... why would I?
#39 [01:15] <Wug> Miner3216: idk, why would anyone? it causes issues like this
#40 [01:15] <Wug> ;check mine.minecrafttown.com:25565
#41 [01:15] <WugBot> mine.minecrafttown.com:25565 does not host a minecraft server.
#42 [01:15] <Miner3216> ohhk
#43 [01:15] <conrad> im a mod on the server.
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#45 [01:16] <Wug> conrad: server seems to be having connectivity issues of some sort
#46 [01:16] <Wug> wait, is this a classic server
#47 [01:16] <Miner3216> ^ Wait didn't he say he got a Ban?
#48 [01:16] <conrad> ok, ill try to restart my computer, if it doesnt work, ill be back.
#49 [01:16] <conrad> er...
#50 [01:16] <conrad> yes...
#51 [01:16] <Wug> Miner3216: yes, but he would still be able to connect
#52 [01:17] <Wug> conrad: idk then
#53 [01:17] <Wug> troubleshooting classic is really hard
#54 [01:17] <Wug> try restarting
#55 [01:17] <conrad> miner3216 i got a ban for trying to get a ban appeal (lol?)
#56 [01:17] <Wug> :ts/launcher > Miner3216
#57 [01:17] <WugBot> Miner3216: (ts/launcher) Use this launcher to help troubleshoot minecraft. It saves a log called minecraft.log containing any errors minecraft may have encountered as it was running. To use it, simply download and double click.
#58 [01:17] <WugBot> Miner3216: (ts/launcher) Troubleshooting Minecraft Launcher (All Operating Systems): http://wug.me/minecraft/illegal/MCH-Launcher.jar
#59 [01:17] <Miner3216> Thanks
#60 [01:17] <Wug> use that to try to login
#61 [01:17] <Miner3216> I'll try it
#62 [01:18] <Wug> it saves a log which we can use to figure out why its crashing
#63 [01:18] <Miner3216> It worked!?
#64 [01:19] <Miner3216> Only with the DL though the regular minecraft didn't
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#66 [01:21] <skippydippy> anyone know how i can start a multiplayer server where me and my friend can play?
#67 [01:21] <Miner3216> So... do I just use the DL you gave me to play Minecraft now or what?
#68 [01:21] <skippydippy> just bought it for her and cant figure it out
#69 [01:21] <Miner3216> Have you open any ports yet skippydippy?
#70 [01:21] <skippydippy> i have played before just not multiplayer
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#72 [01:21] <Wug> Miner3216: idk why the other one is not working
#73 [01:21] <conrad> aw, man.
#74 [01:22] <Wug> but yeah, you can just use that launcher
#75 [01:22] <conrad> i guess the server is having problems.
#76 [01:22] <Wug> nothing wrong with using it for general play, I use it
#77 [01:22] <conrad> *heavy sigh*
#78 [01:22] <Wug> skippydippy: you will need to grab the server software
#79 [01:23] <Wug> you using windows?
#80 [01:23] <skippydippy> yeah
#81 [01:23] <Miner3216> Ok thank you man you are awesome! but does it act as a normal launcher with updates etc?
#82 [01:23] <Wug> yep, all it does is it saves the log. it also has a "show password" button in the options menu
#83 [01:24] <conrad> hmm... wat to do...
#84 [01:24] <Wug> we've had people who could login with the launcher who didnt remember their password
#85 [01:24] <Wug> conrad: wait a day
#86 [01:24] <conrad> ok...
#87 [01:24] <conrad> ive been waiting half a day.
#88 [01:24] <Wug> sucks, but nothing you can do will fix the server
#89 [01:24] <conrad> so ill get some rest.
#90 [01:24] <conrad> night, guys!
#91 [01:25] <Wug> skippydippy: you'll need the server software then
#92 [01:25] <Wug> :win/server
#93 [01:25] <Wug> :server
#94 [01:25] <WugBot> server: You can download the server by clicking the correct link: (For Windows: https://s3.amazonaws.com/MinecraftDownload/launcher/Minecraft_Server.exe ) (For Linux and OSX: https://s3.amazonaws.com/MinecraftDownload/launcher/minecraft_server.jar )
#95 [01:25] <Wug> grab the windows one
#96 [01:25] <Miner3216> ippydippy here you go here is a video that gives you in full detail how to set up a BUKKIT server http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag2yCB5PX1w
#97 [01:25] <Wug> you might find that useful
#98 [01:26] <skippydippy> so download the link and watch the video and i should be able to do it?
#99 [01:26] <Wug> but keep in mind that we dont support bukkit here
#100 [01:26] <Miner3216> Yep
#101 [01:26] <Wug> skippydippy: watch the video first
#102 [01:26] <Miner3216> Oh? how come?
#103 [01:26] <skippydippy> ok thanks
#104 [01:26] <skippydippy> ill give it a go
#105 [01:26] <Wug> Miner3216: we do vanilla support
#106 [01:26] <Wug> bukkit support goes to #bukkit
#107 [01:26] <Miner3216> Ohhh ok, sorry 'Bout that
#108 [01:27] <Wug> general modding support goes.. well
#109 [01:27] <Wug> depends on who asks and what mod
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#111 [01:28] <Miner3216> Anyways thank you Wug, but also where does it save the log to? and Can I disable that feature?
#112 [01:28] <Wug> it stores it in %appdata%, called minecraft.log
#113 [01:29] <Wug> it cant be disabled, but it doesnt save your password or anything
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#115 [01:29] <Wug> might as well just leave it enabled, if you have crashes, you can use it to figure out why
#116 [01:30] <Miner3216> True, and txt files hardly take up any room at all anyway
#117 [01:31] <Wug> yeah. plus it overwrites it each time, its only ever a few kB
#118 [01:34] <Miner3216> ok
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#120 [01:35] <Sh0rty> Login Buffer Failure, Discuss
#121 [01:35] <Miner3216> Suppose there is no way to disguise the exe as Minecraft? (Sorry I have OCD)
#122 [01:35] <Miner3216> Uhm, sorry never heard of it
#123 [01:36] <Sh0rty> Anyone? it's really messing with my server
#124 [01:36] <Miner3216> Try Browser Version?
#125 [01:40] <Miner3216> Hey Wug...
#126 [01:40] <Wug> Sh0rty: bukkit?
#127 [01:40] <Wug> Miner3216: you could create a shortcut to it and change the icon of the shortcut to the icon in minecraft.exe
#128 [01:41] <Sh0rty> Um,idk it only happens when online-mode is made false
#129 [01:41] <Miner3216> Mmk Thanks, but under the Dl for that file why does it say Illegal Launcher?
#130 [01:46] <Miner3216> Bye! Thanks for the help
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#133 [01:53] <sprocket> Wug here?
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#141 [02:40] <Wug> blugh
#142 [02:40] <Wug> I would rather have liked to answer that question
#143 [02:42] <Sporkin> lol, I have a stupid question you could answer :p
#144 [02:42] <Wug> fire away
#145 [02:43] <Sporkin> can you convert a singleplayer game into multiplayer later on?
#146 [02:44] <Wug> yeah, you'd just copy the world folder
#147 [02:44] <Wug> quite straightforward
#148 [02:44] <Wug> works the other way around too
#149 [02:45] <Sporkin> alright, thanks
#150 [02:45] <Sporkin> would inventory items and items in chests etc be included?
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#152 [02:46] <Sporkin> well I suppose copying characters over would be a different folder
#153 [02:46] <Wug> thats a little trickier
#154 [02:46] <Wug> items in chests and on the ground are included
#155 [02:46] <Wug> however, the inventory will not be
#156 [02:47] <Wug> if you need to move items back and forth, it would be best to use chests
#157 [02:47] <Sporkin> alright, thanks
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#161 [03:07] <gorosoki> I'm getting a failed tranaction message every time I try to buy Minecraft. (paypal) Can anyone help me?
#162 [03:07] <clarjon1> gorosoki: are you using your Credit Card thru paypal?
#163 [03:08] <gorosoki> debit
#164 [03:08] <clarjon1> oooo
#165 [03:08] <clarjon1> Have you used your Debit card thru paypal before?
#166 [03:08] <gorosoki> yep
#167 [03:08] <gorosoki> works perfectly
#168 [03:09] <gorosoki> except when I try to but Minecraft
#169 [03:09] <gorosoki> buy*
#170 [03:10] <Wug> :payment/stopped
#171 [03:10] <WugBot> payment/stopped: Banks, credit card companies, etc. frequently stop minecraft purchases for your protection because they are international transactions. You may have to call your financial institution and ask that they approve the transfer.
#172 [03:10] <WugBot> payment/stopped: If you're not sure what to say, tell them: "I would like to make an international purchase and payment is being declined. How would I go about approving the purchase?"
#173 [03:10] <Wug> I suspect this
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#175 [03:12] <gorosoki> i will try that when my financial institution is open but I also tried a visa credit card and got a similiar response
#176 [03:12] <magictj> anyone have a server with magicspells that i could use plz
#177 [03:12] <magictj> t/join smp
#178 [03:12] <Wug> magictj: lol
#179 [03:13] <magictj> Hey wug u sed to be nug
#180 [03:13] <magictj> well anyone have a new server like 2days to a week old
#181 [03:13] <magictj> Wug didnt u used to be called Nug?
#182 [03:13] <magictj> HI
#183 [03:13] <Wug> No, I've always been Wug
#184 [03:14] <Wug> #smp was the right place for asking
#185 [03:14] <Wug> I was just amused that there was a t in front of your /join :)
#186 [03:14] <magictj> lol
#187 [03:14] <magictj> smp though never reply
#188 [03:14] <magictj> im at there right now
#189 [03:18] <gorosoki> nvm i got it with a different credit card
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#209 [05:23] <Nothjer> I have a pimple on my dick
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#215 [05:43] <Nothjer> Notch is a selfish IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#216 [05:43] <Nothjer> Notch is a selfish IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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#225 [06:16] <Harrison1102> Hi my problem is whenever i try to connect to my minecraft server it downloads terrain for a long time then says "connection lost time out" please help me!
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#227 [06:18] <guacamole> heya i have downloading terrain problem
#228 [06:19] <guacamole> i created a server
#229 [06:19] <guacamole> i try to join
#230 [06:19] <guacamole> and then timed out
#231 [06:19] <Harrison1102> thats what happened to me
#232 [06:20] <Harrison1102> i have the same problem
#233 [06:20] <Harrison1102> but i dont think any1 is answering these
#234 [06:21] <guacamole> .... no sense
#235 [06:21] <guacamole> have u got any idea ?
#236 [06:21] <guacamole> u searched somwhere ?
#237 [06:22] <Harrison1102> i havnt gt a clue how to fix
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#239 [06:23] <Harrison1102> Can some1 help pls whenever i try to join my server it downloads terrain for ages then says connection lost timed out
#240 [06:26] <guacamole> huh noone works here
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#242 [06:33] <Rstyll> hello
#243 [06:33] <Rstyll> anyone here?
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#245 [06:34] <Rstyll> Helloaa?
#246 [06:35] <AcrophobicPixie> Hello, I have a question. I have 1.2_02, and cannot figure out how to ungroup items in my inventory. Help?
#247 [06:36] <Rstyll> Hello , i have a question. How can i put mods on my own server? so other people can see it too? and to with maps, texture packs etc.
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#249 [06:36] <Jammy> Any know the command with bot to check status of a minecraft server?
#250 [06:36] <Jammy> And was it on WugBot or AuBot ? :P
#251 [06:37] <Jammy> Anyone*
#252 [06:37] <Jammy> Rstyll you can't force client side mods on players
#253 [06:38] <Rstyll> i mean just mods on my server?
#254 [06:38] <Rstyll> other people have it to
#255 [06:38] <Jammy> texture packs are client side
#256 [06:38] <Jammy> and not sure what you mean by "to with maps"
#257 [06:39] <Rstyll> well , just put another map on my server
#258 [06:39] <Jammy> another world you mean?
#259 [06:39] <Rstyll> Yes
#260 [06:39] <Jammy> Are you running Bukkit or Vanilla?
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#262 [06:39] <Rstyll> im using standard minecraft_server
#263 [06:40] <Jammy> Vanilla being the default server found on minecraft website :P
#264 [06:40] <Rstyll> Whats better , bukkit or that standard thing
#265 [06:40] <Jammy> Bukkit is a lot more open to mods/plugins/add on/whatever you want to call them
#266 [06:41] <Rstyll> Alright
#267 [06:41] <Rstyll> could u help me setting up with bukkit?
#268 [06:41] <Jammy> Nope, i'm clueless ask nicely in #Bukkit and they may point you in right direction, otherwise their site has lots of wiki stuff i believe
#269 [06:42] <Rstyll> okay thank you very much
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#271 [06:43] <Cooldude3000> Hi anyone good with redstone?
#272 [06:45] <Tigger> minecraft forums most likely :3
#273 [06:45] <Jammy> You tube is generally even better :P
#274 [06:45] <Jammy> Cooldude3000 there something in particular you're after?
#275 [06:46] <Cooldude3000> working on a secret piston door that covers up as well
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#277 [06:46] <AcrophobicPixie> Nevermind about my question.. I'm blonde under the hair dye :P
#278 [06:46] <Cooldude3000> but i can't get the timing right
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#280 [06:46] <Jammy> Yeah timing is a pain with pistons :P
#281 [06:46] <Cooldude3000> lol
#282 [06:47] <Cooldude3000> so can ya help me out jammy?
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#359 [07:54] <Randoms> Hi, I was thinking about getting car mod on my server, anyone have any idea how to do that or maybe a guide to point me in the right direcetion?
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#361 [07:57] <AureliusM> Randoms: If it's a bukkit server, try #bukkit, otherwise here is the standard Voxelhead response:
#362 [07:57] <AureliusM> ??> Randoms mods
#363 [07:57] <VoxelHead> Randoms: (mods) This channel is not a venue for mod support, or support for modded servers
#364 [07:57] <VoxelHead> Randoms: (mods) as it is impossible for anybody to know every combination of mods out there, this channel does not assist with unofficial third-party modded content.;;For single player mods, contact the mod's creator or try http://tiny.cc/modinstall for general installation instructions. For bukkit help, use #bukkit; you can also try using Google to search for a mod's installation instructions.
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#366 [07:58] <AureliusM> Randoms: Hmm, thought there was another channel for servers in VoxelHead's database ...
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#397 [08:12] <Jammy> We lost wugbot ?
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#399 [08:12] <Morrolan> Meh, I guess he's on the other side of the river.
#400 [08:12] <Morrolan> s/river/ netslpit
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#402 [08:12] <Morrolan> netsplit
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#404 [08:13] <Jammy> Either of these bots able to do a !check or whatever to check if a server is up
#405 [08:13] <Jammy> up to outside with*
#406 [08:13] <Jammy> world*
#407 [08:13] <Morrolan> AuBot has such a check as well, yea.
#408 [08:13] <Morrolan> !check minecraft.lethal-zone.eu
#409 [08:13] <Morrolan> ^
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#411 [08:14] <Jammy> ok :)
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#426 [08:34] <Jammy> Do any more ports than 25565 need to be open for the game to work?
#427 [08:36] <Cooldude3000> Anyone have a server?
#428 [08:36] <Jammy> ^*creative
#429 [08:37] <Cooldude3000> I need to show something to someone and both of us can't get things up
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#431 [08:41] <Morrolan> Jammy - I wouldn't know about Creative's ports, but for Survival 25565 is the only one.
#432 [08:41] <Morrolan> I'm sure there's a guide on the wiki though.
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#434 [08:42] <Cooldude3000> lol Hi again Morrolan
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#436 [08:42] <Dylan> Morrolan, Same port...
#437 [08:42] <Morrolan> Dylan - Okay. In this case - no, 25565 will be enough.
#438 [08:42] <Dylan> XD
#439 [08:43] <Morrolan> 'lo Cooldude3000
#440 [08:43] <Dylan> Cooldude3000 Unless you change the port
#441 [08:44] <Cooldude3000> i have tried hamachi and regular but none will work lol
#442 [08:44] <Dylan> Cooldude3000 read pm
#443 [08:44] <Cooldude3000> port wise i've tried to forward 25565 :/ no success
#444 [08:45] <Morrolan> And the portforwarding rules does point to the correct internal IP?
#445 [08:45] <Cooldude3000> i thought so O.o
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#451 [09:05] <Cooldude3000> ;check
#452 [09:06] <Dylan> its !check (ip)
#453 [09:06] <Cooldude3000> !check 107.8.105.163
#454 [09:06] <Cooldude3000> hahahaha Yes!!!
#455 [09:06] <Dylan> XD
#456 [09:06] <Cooldude3000> I'm back in buisness baby! screw you stupid Security suite
#457 [09:08] <Calinou> that's a nice MOTD you have there...
#458 [09:08] <Dylan> Calinou lulz
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#460 [09:11] <magictj> how do i port forward without having to download netgear or anything?
#461 [09:11] <Cooldude3000> lol i know right??
#462 [09:11] <Cooldude3000> download netgear? netgear is a brand for a router...
#463 [09:13] <magictj> my mistake but how do i portforward?
#464 [09:13] <Cooldude3000> do you know how to access your router?
#465 [09:13] <magictj> nope sorry
#466 [09:14] <Cooldude3000> ok do this go to start, search cmd and hit enter then type in ipconfig and look at your connection either lan or wlan
#467 [09:14] <magictj> okay i no my ip
#468 [09:15] <Cooldude3000> there should be a line saying default gateway use that to access your router
#469 [09:15] <magictj> kk
#470 [09:16] <Cooldude3000> then once you login to your router hit advanced or look for a option to port forward
#471 [09:16] <magictj> kk
#472 [09:16] <magictj> then what do i port forward
#473 [09:16] <Cooldude3000> then use port 25565 or a custom port of your choosing to forward
#474 [09:17] <Cooldude3000> 25565 is the basic port that minecraft uses
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#476 [09:17] <magictj> right what does it mean You now need to forward the ports 25565 UDP and TCP on your router
#477 [09:18] <Cooldude3000> uhh i have a option to do both so i choose both of them
#478 [09:18] <magictj> thnx :)
#479 [09:18] <Cooldude3000> no problem lol
#480 [09:18] <magictj> do u have a server then?
#481 [09:18] <Cooldude3000> yeah
#482 [09:18] <Dylan> cooldude, are you the best person to help him...
#483 [09:18] <Cooldude3000> well i have had to port forward before lol byond games steam...
#484 [09:18] <Cooldude3000> etc
#485 [09:18] <Cooldude3000> but i haven't done it in a while but i know the basics
#486 [09:19] <magictj> lol do u have a server though?
#487 [09:19] <Cooldude3000> and if i'm wrong anyone in here can tell me otherwise XD and yes i do
#488 [09:19] <magictj> is it new?
#489 [09:19] <Cooldude3000> yeah doesn't have a playerbase though
#490 [09:19] <magictj> can i go on it/
#491 [09:20] <Cooldude3000> sure
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#494 [09:27] <AcrophobicPixie> Anyone else having problems connecting to minecraft.net?
#495 [09:29] <Dylan> no
#496 [09:30] <Dylan> !login
#497 [09:30] <AcrophobicPixie> I haven't been able to all morning.
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#504 [09:38] <george> hello
#505 [09:39] <Guest98451> a little help with a technical issue
#506 [09:41] <magictj> hi
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#508 [09:42] <giorgos> hello, some help with a technical prob would be appreciated
#509 [09:42] <Boreeas> giorgos: Go ahead, ask
#510 [09:43] <giorgos> I have an issue with the minecraft installer
#511 [09:43] <giorgos> some days ago I decided to reinstall the game
#512 [09:43] <giorgos> so I uninstalled it
#513 [09:44] <giorgos> and when I tried to reinstall it, I run the .exe installer (x64 windows 7 btw, running the latest java) and nothing happens
#514 [09:45] <magictj> right does it come up with the screen at all?
#515 [09:45] <giorgos> I get the "are you sure you trust this software vendor" warning, I click the "yes" button and then nada
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#517 [09:45] <giorgos> no pop up, no window, nothing
#518 [09:45] <Boreeas> giorgos: Latest java for you being 1.6_30 or 1.7_2?
#519 [09:46] <giorgos> 1.6-30
#520 [09:47] <Boreeas> Alright
#521 [09:47] <giorgos> I suspect it has something to do with the registry, as I can run other .exe installers just fine
#522 [09:47] <Boreeas> ??> giorgos win/dxdiag
#523 [09:47] <VoxelHead> giorgos: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#524 [09:47] <VoxelHead> giorgos: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
#525 [09:48] <giorgos> ok, brb
#526 [09:49] <giorgos> http://pastebin.com/0yEqH49F
#527 [09:51] <Boreeas> giorgos: Try installing the latest geforce dirvers and see if they fix anything: http://www.nvidia.com/object/notebook-win7-winvista-285.62-whql-driver.html
#528 [09:51] <Boreeas> giorgos: Try installing the latest geforce dirvers and see if they fix anything: http://www.nvidia.com/object/notebook-win7-winvista-285.62-whql-driver.html
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#530 [09:58] <giorgos> ok done, no joy
#531 [09:59] <giorgos> it was working fine with the old drivers anyway
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#540 [10:17] <Damein> hey i have a question but it is more of a personal question it doesnt relate to mc and i can't find anything on google
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#544 [10:41] <hmw> that's terrible for Damein *g*
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#546 [10:47] <Calinou> minecraft doesn't have any "installer"
#547 [10:47] <Calinou> the late giorgos
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#558 [11:55] <SonicTheHedgehog> Hello
#559 [11:56] <SonicTheHedgehog> I have an issue with Minecraft (paid version)
#560 [11:57] <Morrolan> Might want to simply ask your question, someone will help you if possible.
#561 [11:58] <SonicTheHedgehog> My issue is (i've had it before) that in the paid version of minecraft it'll let me log in but after that it's a black screen.
#562 [11:58] <Morrolan> Try to force an update. Start the launcher -> Options -> Forec update, then log in as usual.
#563 [11:59] <SonicTheHedgehog> Alright. Give me a second.
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#565 [12:00] <Forum-User_tomahawk232> Hello
#566 [12:00] <Forum-User_tomahawk232> need help setting up a server for minecraft
#567 [12:00] <SonicTheHedgehog> Where are the options, again?
#568 [12:01] <Morrolan> SonicTheHedgehog - When you start up the launcher there's a button "options" above the "login" button.
#569 [12:01] <Morrolan> Forum-User_tomahawk232 - Shoot.
#570 [12:01] <Forum-User_tomahawk232> I can install modloader mp, but i get stuck when installing forge 1.3.1
#571 [12:01] <Forum-User_tomahawk232> the server crashes when its installed
#572 [12:01] <SonicTheHedgehog> Alright. Thanks.
#573 [12:01] <Morrolan> We don't provide support for mods here, please ask in the mod's forumthread, Forum-User_tomahawk232.
#574 [12:01] <Morrolan> Or the mod's channel, if it has one.
#575 [12:02] <Forum-User_tomahawk232> but i clicked the #minecrafthelp link to get here
#576 [12:02] <Morrolan> And who gave you this link?
#577 [12:02] <Forum-User_tomahawk232> http://kramerc.com/espernet/gamehelp.php
#578 [12:02] <Forum-User_tomahawk232> that site
#579 [12:02] <Morrolan> Yes we are support for Minecraft, but only for _vanilla_ Minecraft.
#580 [12:02] <Forum-User_tomahawk232> it gives 2 links for minecraft support
#581 [12:02] <Morrolan> For mods you will have to ask in the mod's thread, or its IRC channel if there is one.
#582 [12:03] <SonicTheHedgehog> Alright. Forced the update. Now what?
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#584 [12:03] <Morrolan> SonicTheHedgehog - Now log in as usual.
#585 [12:03] <Morrolan> SonicTheHedgehog - Now log in as usual.
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#587 [12:03] <SonicTheHedgehog> Alright. Let's see if this will work.
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#589 [12:04] <SonicTheHedgehog> Thanks! It works! But i have one more question (it has to do with updates)
#590 [12:05] <SonicTheHedgehog> What's the most current update? has the Adventure Update happened?
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#592 [12:08] <SonicTheHedgehog> Hello?
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#594 [12:15] <EpicCynd> I cannot launch minecraft; running both the exe and the jar results in nothing happening. No windows created, no error messages, nothing.
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#596 [12:15] <EpicCynd> I've tried deleting .minecraft and all the basic fixes. Minecraft works in browser, but the download does nothing.
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#598 [12:17] <TheCrusher> hello
#599 [12:18] <TheCrusher> can somebody help me with a fullscreen bug?
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#603 [12:33] <magictj> does anyone have a new server like 2 days or a wekk old?
#604 [12:33] <magictj> woops wrong thing is it impossible to hack throigh hamcahi
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#607 [12:48] <Morrolan> magictj - Hamachi is actually, with its default settings, pretty unsafe.
#608 [12:48] <Morrolan> So no, it is everything but impossible to "hack through it"
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#619 [13:48] <TheCrusher> hello
#620 [13:48] <TheCrusher> hello
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#623 [13:52] <TheCrusher> hi
#624 [13:53] <TheCrusher> can you help me with a fullscreen problem?
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#630 [14:33] <TheyCallMeAndy> Hello.
#631 [14:34] <TheyCallMeAndy> My problem is quite simple to explain. Ever since Minecraft 1.1 was released, my SMP chat has been completely colorless, white that is.
#632 [14:36] <TheyCallMeAndy> I might not read your responce instantly, I'm going to go do something while i wait.
#633 [14:38] <Morrolan> Uh. As long as the other people/the server do not use any colour codes your chat will be white.
#634 [14:38] <TheyCallMeAndy> No, theirs is too.
#635 [14:38] <TheyCallMeAndy> I mean
#636 [14:38] <TheyCallMeAndy> Theirs has color
#637 [14:39] <TheyCallMeAndy> Even on my own server, when i use &4Hello it comes up white.
#638 [14:40] <Morrolan> Tried to force an update? Start up the launcher -> options -> force update -> log in as usual
#639 [14:41] <Morrolan> Chances are there is either a mod or a plugin interfering.
#640 [14:41] <TheyCallMeAndy> I did that ~4 times.
#641 [14:42] <Morrolan> Using a Vanilla server?
#642 [14:42] <TheyCallMeAndy> Nope, bukkit servers too. I sit next to my friends whilst they have colors.
#643 [14:42] <TheyCallMeAndy> Mine is white on the same server.
#644 [14:42] <Morrolan> Yes, but does it happen to you on a vanilla server as well?
#645 [14:42] <TheyCallMeAndy> Yep.
#646 [14:43] <Morrolan> In this case I have no idea what's causing this.
#647 [14:43] <GreyVulpine> Many intel integrated video cards do this now
#648 [14:43] <Morrolan> Wut?
#649 [14:43] * GreyVulpine nods
#649 [14:43] <Morrolan> What is this I don't even. D:
#650 [14:43] <TheyCallMeAndy> I have an Intel Mobile Chipset Family 965
#651 [14:43] <TheyCallMeAndy> Graphics card.
#652 [14:44] <Morrolan> Well paint me purple and call me Barney
#653 [14:44] <TheyCallMeAndy> Sure thing! Address?
#654 [14:44] <Morrolan> Pft. :P
#655 [14:44] <TheyCallMeAndy> xD
#656 [14:44] <GreyVulpine> Unfortunately, no real solution, other than just to wait and seeâ„¢
#657 [14:44] <Morrolan> That's something I'd never have expected a graphics card to do.
#658 [14:45] <Morrolan> Or its driver, rather.
#659 [14:45] * GreyVulpine blames intel's drivers
#659 [14:45] <TheyCallMeAndy> What do i do =(
#660 [14:46] <TheyCallMeAndy> I been without for a month or so, and now it's just too annoying.
#661 [14:46] <GreyVulpine> We don't have a solution for that
#662 [14:47] <Morrolan> Can't imagine this increasing performance a lot, happen to know why they do that?
#663 [14:47] <GreyVulpine> I don't think it's minecraft doing it..
#664 [14:47] <Morrolan> OpenGL?
#665 [14:48] <GreyVulpine> Possibly
#666 [14:48] <TheyCallMeAndy> Dang.
#667 [14:48] <TheyCallMeAndy> Minecraft needs a support area.
#668 [14:49] <TheyCallMeAndy> Such as a submit ticket section.
#669 [14:49] <Morrolan> Not much they can do if it's not Minecraft doing it. *shrug*
#670 [14:49] <TheyCallMeAndy> What I've been told in the past is that minecraft dropped support for my graphics card.
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#672 [14:50] <Morrolan> Well, integrated graphics cards are always kind of a bad choice for anything gaming-related.
#673 [14:50] <Morrolan> As for it dropping support for your GPU specifically - wouldn't know.
#674 [14:50] <TheyCallMeAndy> Nothing i can really do about that - I'm using a laptop.
#675 [14:52] <TheyCallMeAndy> Now I'm angry. I a.) Can't fix it b.) Can't contact them to ask for a fix in 1.2
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#677 [14:53] <TheyCallMeAndy> I know of many people from 'reddit' who have the same problem.
#678 [14:53] <TheyCallMeAndy> There were many posts there.
#679 [14:53] <Morrolan> Nothing we can do about this, nothing you can do about this, possibly nothing Mojang can do about this.
#680 [14:53] <Morrolan> You'll just have to sit it out, until either OpenGL gets patched or Intel fixes its driver, whoever the culprit is.
#681 [14:54] <TheyCallMeAndy> Wait -- Can't i just update my drivers?
#682 [14:54] <Morrolan> If there is an update out, sure, you could try it.
#683 [14:55] <TheyCallMeAndy> Hmm. Going to be a pain in the *** to find an update for a 2005 driver on windows 7.
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#685 [14:56] <enderrealm2000> hi, Im new and need help with my MC crashing please
#686 [14:56] <Boreeas> enderrealm2000: More info please
#687 [14:56] <Boreeas> enderrealm2000: Do you get any error message?
#688 [14:57] <enderrealm2000> the crash report is really fast so i cant read much past mc crash
#689 [14:57] <enderrealm2000> i just bought and installed mc for my son
#690 [14:57] <enderrealm2000> he wants mystic dragon mod
#691 [14:57] <enderrealm2000> iv managed modloader, audiomod and turbomodelthingy with no problem
#692 [14:58] <enderrealm2000> but as soon as i put the mystic dragon mod in it doesnt work
#693 [14:58] <Boreeas> Sorry, we don't provide help with mods here
#694 [14:58] <magictj> ohh mods right okay well if never had an luck with them they crashed mine i would recommend either re-downloading or trying in minecraft options-forceupdate
#695 [14:58] <GreyVulpine> mystic dragons mod hasn't been update for 1.1
#696 [14:58] <GreyVulpine> That's why it's crashing for you
#697 [14:58] <GreyVulpine> When minecraft updates, mods have to update as well. Always look for mods that match the version of minecraft you're running
#698 [14:59] <enderrealm2000> ahh, i see well that explains alot thank you very much
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#702 [15:11] <Bryantdl7> i have a question about hosting a classic minecraft server
#703 [15:12] <Morrolan> Shoot.
#704 [15:13] <Bryantdl7> give me a second, i need to log in through gamesurge
#705 [15:13] <Morrolan> Heh, so he's now joining #Minecrafthelp on gamesurge it seems?
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#708 [15:16] <Bryantdl7> okay, im back
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#710 [15:17] <Bryantdl7> so i forward 25565 on my router to be able for people to join the server, everything works fine. people can join too. but i cant join.
#711 [15:17] <Bryantdl7> it tells me the server is down
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#713 [15:19] <conrad> hey, do you think if i update java(or reinstall it) it will make my server connection problems end?
#714 [15:19] <conrad> ?
#715 [15:20] <conrad> ...... hello?............
#716 [15:20] <conrad> ...
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#718 [15:20] <conrad> :(
#719 [15:21] <Bryantdl7> they take a while to reply
#720 [15:21] <conrad> i see...
#721 [15:21] <Bryantdl7> i would think that it has todo with your router, with my limited experience.
#722 [15:21] <Morrolan> Bryantdl7 - In order to join from the machine you're hosting the server on you have to add some parameter to the URL you use to connect.
#723 [15:21] <conrad> no.
#724 [15:21] <conrad> i can get on the net.
#725 [15:22] <conrad> and a different server.
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#727 [15:22] <conrad> its just 2 servers, hosted by the same guy.
#728 [15:22] <conrad> i can get on the other ones.
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#730 [15:23] <conrad> *sigh*
#731 [15:23] <conrad> HELLO?!?!?
#732 [15:23] <magictj> hi
#733 [15:24] <conrad> the admins wont respond, ive waited as long as it usuaslly takes on here...
#734 [15:25] <conrad> its been like this for a day and a half...
#735 [15:25] <conrad> i was on last night...
#736 [15:26] <conrad> im gonna go reinstall java...
#737 [15:28] <conrad> that should do it, my java was 1 update behind.
#738 [15:28] <conrad> hmm...
#739 [15:28] <Wug> conrad: minecraft has worked fairly well with java for several versions. you're probably banned
#740 [15:29] <conrad> no, im a mod on the server.
#741 [15:29] <conrad> tive only gotten 1 ban ever, and it was local.
#742 [15:29] <conrad> a very trusted mod for tht matter/
#743 [15:30] <conrad> hmm...
#744 [15:31] <conrad> k ima go try update 30 now.
#745 [15:32] <conrad> its so weird, im always on the server, and since yesterday, i cant get on at all!
#746 [15:32] <conrad> it makes meh mad! >:(
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#748 [15:32] <conrad> t*facepalm*
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#750 [15:33] <Slipper> hello my minecraft wont work says bad video card driver how do i make it work?
#751 [15:33] <GreyVulpine> Update your video drivers
#752 [15:33] <conrad> or get better ones..
#753 [15:33] <Slipper> yer i cant find right driver?
#754 [15:34] <GreyVulpine> What operating system are you on?
#755 [15:35] <conrad> great, now minecraft is crashing.
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#757 [15:35] <Bryantdl7> i have a question about hosting a classic server
#758 [15:36] <GreyVulpine> What question would that be?
#759 [15:36] <Bryantdl7> so i make my server EXACTLY TO THE RULES and it runs perfect
#760 [15:36] <Bryantdl7> now i connect and it says its down!
#761 [15:36] <GreyVulpine> Is the server running right now?
#762 [15:36] <Bryantdl7> yes.
#763 [15:37] <Bryantdl7> want the url?
#764 [15:37] <GreyVulpine> How are you connecting to it? via the same computer that you're using to host?
#765 [15:37] <Bryantdl7> no, to another computer.
#766 [15:37] <Bryantdl7> both on my router.
#767 [15:37] <Morrolan> *ahem*
#768 [15:38] <Morrolan> If you hadn't left right after me answering earlier you'd have seen my response :P
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#770 [15:38] <Bryantdl7> sorry im having technical difficulties
#771 [15:38] <Morrolan> Bryantdl7 - In order to join from the machine / the same network you're hosting the server on you have to add some parameter to the URL you use to connect.
#772 [15:38] <Bryantdl7> :P
#773 [15:38] <Morrolan> I stumbled across that parameter on the "Setting up a server" article on the Minecraftwiki.
#774 [15:38] <Bryantdl7> what do you mean the same parimeter
#775 [15:38] <Bryantdl7> ip?
#776 [15:39] <Morrolan> Some paramater which you have to add to the URL you use to connect.
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#778 [15:39] <TheCrusher> hello
#779 [15:39] <Morrolan> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Setting_up_a_server#Local_Network_Dedicated_Servers <- Bryantdl7
#780 [15:40] <Slipper> once again anyone help with video drivers please
#781 [15:40] <TheCrusher> can i ask a question about fullscreen?
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#783 [15:40] <GreyVulpine> slipper - What operating system are you on?
#784 [15:40] <Morrolan> TheCrusher - Provided you don't leave right afterwards like the three or four previous times, yes.
#785 [15:40] <Bryantdl7> http://www.minecraft.net/classic/play/c9af73f61eb9d3ab884ed87ff8ff8ce0 is through the computer im hosting, so do i change to my other computers ip?
#786 [15:40] <TheCrusher> sure
#787 [15:41] <Morrolan> _read_ what it says there, Bryantdl7.
#788 [15:41] <Morrolan> On the wiki article I linked you up there.
#789 [15:41] <Slipper> im using windows XP
#790 [15:41] <Bryantdl7> its loading.
#791 [15:41] <GreyVulpine> Slipper - Please give us a dxdiag
#792 [15:41] <GreyVulpine> ??> Slipper win/dxdiag
#793 [15:41] <VoxelHead> Slipper: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#794 [15:41] <VoxelHead> Slipper: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
#795 [15:42] <slava> Hi guys! I'm having a problem with my drivers, minecraft crashes after about a minute, saying that my drivers failed. Found a thread with a very similar problem here, no solution yet http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/823684-minecraft-crashes-and-displays-your-display-driver-has-stopped-responding-but-has-sucessfully-recovered/
#796 [15:44] <Slipper> ok here it is
#797 [15:44] <Slipper> http://pastebin.com/ZTE8mZti
#798 [15:44] <GreyVulpine> Slipper - One moment
#799 [15:45] <Slipper> ok
#800 [15:46] <GreyVulpine> Slipper - Try downloading and installing these drivers: http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&DwnldID=16835&ProdId=2301&lang=eng&OSVersion=Windows%20XP%20%20Home%20Edition*&DownloadType=Drivers
#801 [15:46] <Slipper> ok its doing it now
#802 [15:47] <Slipper> says that the driver being installed is not validated for this computer
#803 [15:47] <GreyVulpine> Bah, moment.. hate dell's computers
#804 [15:49] <GreyVulpine> Slipper - Use these instead: downloads.dell.com/video/R126542.EXE
#805 [15:53] <Slipper> thanks if this works
#806 [15:53] <Bryantdl7> thank you, that worked!
#807 [15:53] <Bryantdl7> one more thing
#808 [15:54] <Bryantdl7> can i copy the files directly from another computer to my dedicated server via flashdrive and have them still work?
#809 [15:55] <Morrolan> Yes.
#810 [15:55] <Bryantdl7> thank you again Morrolan!
#811 [15:56] <Bryantdl7> goodbye and have a great superbowl ;)
#812 [15:57] <TheCrusher> Morrolan, sorry I came like 4 times before and leaved again, but there wasn't anyone active so i decided to check once in a while
#813 [15:59] <TheCrusher> I understand you are a bizzy person, so again, sorry
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#815 [15:59] <Slipper> stilll doesnt work
#816 [16:00] <GreyVulpine> Slipper - Did it install completely?
#817 [16:00] <GreyVulpine> Slipper - At the end of the install, did it ask you to restart your computer?
#818 [16:00] <Slipper> yes
#819 [16:01] <GreyVulpine> Alright. Could you try running minecraft with these instructions instead - http://pastebin.com/1knuj6Zh
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#821 [16:05] <Slipper> will i have to open it that way every time
#822 [16:06] <GreyVulpine> If it works, yes.
#823 [16:06] <Slipper> it does
#824 [16:07] <Slipper> why thank you kind sir
#825 [16:11] <TheCrusher> GreyVulpine, can you help me with a small problem i have?
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#827 [16:15] <McAllystar> i have a major problem guys, and i can't find any threads about it :C
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#829 [16:15] <McAllystar> anyonehere? or is my browser messing up again? >.<
#830 [16:15] <slava> Hi guys! I'm having a problem with my drivers, minecraft crashes after about a minute, saying that my drivers failed. Found a thread with a very similar problem here, no solution yet http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/823684-minecraft-crashes-and-displays-your-display-driver-has-stopped-responding-but-has-sucessfully-recovered/ If anyone has any ideas please
#831 [16:17] <TheCrusher> Sorry for leaving again, but i really need to go to bed
#832 [16:17] <McAllystar> when i try to purchase minecraft the page has errors on it and i can't fill in the information i need to provide, i have this every single time i load the page and it's been like this for weeks now..
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#834 [16:19] <McAllystar> :C guys? anyone?
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#836 [16:30] <Wug> I wish people would actually ding me when they need help
#837 [16:30] * Boreeas rings Wug
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#838 [16:31] <Balee> Hiya.
#839 [16:31] <Balee> Is there a trouble with session servers?
#840 [16:31] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#841 [16:31] <clarjon1> yes.
#842 [16:31] <Balee> I see.
#843 [16:31] <clarjon1> very much so
#844 [16:31] <Wug> apparently, yes
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#846 [16:32] <clarjon1> The auth/session servers derped just as i was updating lugins
#847 [16:32] <clarjon1> *plugins
#848 [16:33] <clarjon1> Made me think that I'd borked my community's server lol
#849 [16:33] <GreyVulpine> I'm sure they'll blame ya anyways.
#850 [16:33] <Wug> I love how bork has become a word
#851 [16:33] <clarjon1> Wug: Bork bork bork
#852 [16:34] <Wug> Börk Börk Börk!
#853 [16:34] <clarjon1> :D
#854 [16:34] * GreyVulpine snrks
#854 [16:34] * Boreeas gives Wug a chef's hat
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#855 [16:37] <Balee> As usual these days, I ask.
#856 [16:37] <Sporkin> how do you get voiced in the #minecraft channel? lol
#857 [16:37] <Balee> Ah, I don't ask.
#858 [16:38] <Balee> Coz I remember instead.
#859 [16:38] <Balee> Sporkin: I guess dedicated work to earn that +?
#860 [16:38] <Balee> I would assume that's the case.
#861 [16:40] <oldtopman> Sporkin: Keep helping people. Voice is usually an indicator of kickpowers.
#862 [16:40] <oldtopman> There are some people who would rather remain hidden...
#863 [16:40] <Sporkin> oh, I haven't been on irc for years.. and not on this server
#864 [16:40] <Balee> The powers that be.
#865 [16:40] <Sporkin> thought it was only ops that could kick
#866 [16:41] <Sporkin> isnt there a mode set there meaning you need to be voiced to even talk?
#867 [16:41] <Balee> Yeah, +v.
#868 [16:41] <GreyVulpine> +m
#869 [16:41] <GreyVulpine> +v is voice
#870 [16:41] <Balee> Ah, right.
#871 [16:41] <Balee> Moderated.
#872 [16:42] <Balee> For some reason I though +v was also the mode's code.
#873 [16:42] <Balee> *thought
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#875 [16:44] <Balee> Ah, I know what I forgot.
#876 [16:44] <Balee> Posting videos to the known bugs article. D:
#877 [16:47] <Balee> ...Fixed.
#878 [16:47] <Balee> \o/
#879 [16:59] <oldtopman> Sporkin: Kicking through the bots.
#880 [16:59] <oldtopman> +V doesn't allow you to kick, you need half-ops, which isn't supported here.
#881 [17:00] <Sporkin> I see
#882 [17:00] <oldtopman> These are the people who can say "!kick ..." and actually kick someone.
#883 [17:00] <Sporkin> but with +m mode, no one without +v or above can talk?
#884 [17:00] <oldtopman> Right.
#885 [17:00] <DopeGhoti> Correct.
#886 [17:00] <oldtopman> Nobody ever sets this channel to +m though.
#887 [17:00] <DopeGhoti> Well.
#888 [17:00] <DopeGhoti> Rarely.
#889 [17:00] <Sporkin> so only people with the ability to kick people are able to talk in that channel?
#890 [17:00] <oldtopman> You could get hit with +q. Far more likely tbh
#891 [17:01] <tyteen4a03> I always get hit by +q :<
#892 [17:02] <DopeGhoti> ??>? tyteen4a03 do/,
#893 [17:02] <oldtopman> eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeespecially if you do crap like that
#894 [17:02] <DopeGhoti> ??> tyteen4a03 do/,
#895 [17:02] <VoxelHead> tyteen4a03: (do/,) The Enter key is not a comma. Please don't flood the channel with many many lines of just two or three words each. Learn how to use complete sentences, and commas.
#896 [17:02] <Sporkin> hrm was getting this: #minecraft :Cannot send to channel
#897 [17:02] <oldtopman> That channel is +r
#898 [17:02] <oldtopman> So you have to be registered.
#899 [17:02] <Sporkin> oh..
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#901 [17:08] <Balee> I remember once getting kicked from a channel for flooding, because I wrote 5 complete sentences in like 20 seconds. DD
#902 [17:08] <Balee> *D:
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#905 [17:31] <Nathan2055> What is the best way to get Music Discs?
#906 [17:33] <DopeGhoti> Nathan2055: dungeons, et al.
#907 [17:33] <Nathan2055> I mean with Creepers and Skeletons.
#908 [17:34] <Nathan2055> I've tried the pit method and building two enclosed pins but nothings worked...
#909 [17:34] <Balee> Well.
#910 [17:35] <Balee> I imagine you could do it in a fashion that you trap a creeper and a skeleton in...
#911 [17:35] <Balee> Just a moment...
#912 [17:38] <Nathan2055> ?
#913 [17:39] <Balee> ...Why can't I spawn mobs in creative mode?
#914 [17:39] <Nathan2055> Are you running 1.1?
#915 [17:39] <Balee> Yes.
#916 [17:39] <Balee> I can spawn wolves.
#917 [17:39] <Nathan2055> The eggs are at the bottom of the list.
#918 [17:40] <Balee> But I can't spawn skellies or creepers.
#919 [17:40] <Balee> I am fully aware of that.
#920 [17:40] <Nathan2055> What type of world are you on?
#921 [17:40] <Balee> Creative.
#922 [17:40] <Balee> I used to be able to spawn mobs.
#923 [17:40] <Nathan2055> No, normal or flat?
#924 [17:40] <Balee> Flat.
#925 [17:41] <Nathan2055> Do you have any mods?
#926 [17:41] <Balee> Nope.
#927 [17:41] <Nathan2055> Weird.
#928 [17:41] <Wug> try closing minecraft and reopening?
#929 [17:41] <Nathan2055> Try closing the game and reopening it.
#930 [17:41] <Nathan2055> :P LOL
#931 [17:41] <Balee> Tried, no effect.
#932 [17:42] <Nathan2055> Make a new world and try it.
#933 [17:42] <Balee> Maybe because it's daytime?
#934 [17:42] <Nathan2055> No, it works in daytime.
#935 [17:42] <Balee> I'm sure I was able to spawn aggressive mobs during the say.
#936 [17:42] <Balee> *day
#937 [17:42] <Nathan2055> You can.
#938 [17:43] <Nathan2055> I have a video that proves it.
#939 [17:43] <Balee> What the devil...
#940 [17:43] <Nathan2055> Try spawning a cow or another animal.
#941 [17:43] <Balee> I click with the ghast egg, see nothing, but I get pushed back. D:
#942 [17:43] <Nathan2055> ...
#943 [17:43] <Nathan2055> Are you using a texture pack.
#944 [17:43] <Balee> I'm on default.
#945 [17:44] <Nathan2055> Vanilla...
#946 [17:44] * Nathan2055 is baffled
#946 [17:44] <Nathan2055> Make a new world and try it.
#947 [17:44] <Balee> If I use the blaze egg, I get a little smoke coming out of where I'm clicking.
#948 [17:45] <Balee> I can spawn passive mobs.
#949 [17:46] <Nathan2055> PEACEFULL!!!
#950 [17:47] <Nathan2055> I bet that's it!
#951 [17:47] <Balee> Oh God.
#952 [17:47] <Balee> Yeah.
#953 [17:47] <Balee> But it's very weird.
#954 [17:47] * Nathan2055 laughs
#954 [17:47] <Balee> I might even consider this a bug.
#955 [17:47] <Nathan2055> What do you mean?
#956 [17:47] <Balee> The game kinda behaves like as if you really spawned the mob.
#957 [17:47] <Balee> Like.
#958 [17:47] <Nathan2055> Peaceful is a feature.
#959 [17:48] <Balee> Try going on creative, set up a block that you can access from below.
#960 [17:48] <Nathan2055> No, it actually spawns, but is removed the next tick.
#961 [17:48] <Nathan2055> That's how peaceful works.
#962 [17:48] <Balee> Set Peaceful, and spawn any tall mobs by clicking on the bottom of the block.
#963 [17:49] <Balee> You'll hear the mob getting hurt due to being spawned into a block, while it isn't really spawned.
#964 [17:50] <Nathan2055> No, it's just that those effects occur faster than the game can despawn the mob.
#965 [17:50] <Nathan2055> Anyway, what about the music discs?
#966 [17:50] <Balee> Testing.
#967 [17:51] <Balee> It's just that it's morning and I can't keep skeletons alive for long enough.
#968 [17:51] <Nathan2055> Do you have MCEdit?
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#970 [17:55] <Balee> Got it...
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#972 [17:57] <Nathan2055> Yes?
#973 [17:58] <Balee> Just a moment.
#974 [17:58] <Balee> http://i43.tinypic.com/34ew9k4.png
#975 [17:58] <Balee> This setting.
#976 [17:58] <Balee> Lure a skelly and a creeper in.
#977 [17:58] <Balee> And stand in line with them, behind the creeper.
#978 [17:58] <Balee> A few steps should be enough for it not to explode.
#979 [17:59] <Balee> While the skeleton will still see and fire at you.
#980 [17:59] <Balee> And the creeper won't blast the skelly either.
#981 [17:59] <Nathan2055> It might just work...
#982 [17:59] <Balee> It does, I tested.
#983 [17:59] <Nathan2055> I'll try it on Survival.
#984 [17:59] <Balee> Got two discs out of it. :P
#985 [17:59] <Balee> Obviously it's easier to do this on a server.
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#987 [17:59] <Nathan2055> If I log out, it's probley because MC maxed my CPU.
#988 [18:00] <Nathan2055> probably
#989 [18:00] <Balee> Because while you are hunting down one of them, someone can keep the other "company".
#990 [18:00] <Balee> That is, making sure the other doesn't despawn.
#991 [18:00] <Balee> Like by standing behind a wall of glass, somewhere close.
#992 [18:00] * Nathan2055 nods
#992 [18:01] <Nathan2055> :P
#993 [18:02] <Nathan2055> The Skeleton tripped my old trap.
#994 [18:02] <Nathan2055> At least that's one less mob to get.
#995 [18:03] <Nathan2055> OK, a Creeper just spawned in.
#996 [18:03] <Nathan2055> Now to catch it.
#997 [18:04] <Nathan2055> He blew up.
#998 [18:04] <Balee> Ow.
#999 [18:04] <Nathan2055> Luckily he didn't hit the Skeleton.
#1000 [18:04] <Nathan2055> Let me reset to night...
#1001 [18:05] <Nathan2055> Done.
#1002 [18:05] <Nathan2055> Now to catch the Creeper...
#1003 [18:06] <Nathan2055> What?
#1004 [18:06] <Nathan2055> Ugh.
#1005 [18:07] <Nathan2055> The time changer didn't save.
#1006 [18:07] <Nathan2055> Boy, I need SPC.
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#1008 [18:10] <Nathan2055> OK, that's weird.
#1009 [18:11] <Nathan2055> A stray Skeleton arrow hit a nearby Creeper.
#1010 [18:11] <Nathan2055> He's peaceful now!
#1011 [18:11] <Balee> Two negatives cancel out each other?
#1012 [18:11] <Nathan2055> No.
#1013 [18:11] <Balee> (I was kidding.)
#1014 [18:11] <Nathan2055> He wanted me to help him out of the pit.
#1015 [18:12] <Nathan2055> He just blew up the Skeley.
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#1017 [18:12] <Balee> I know the spiders have a very weird behavior.
#1018 [18:12] <Balee> During the day.
#1019 [18:12] <Shado> heya, mind helping me with a mod problem i have?
#1020 [18:12] <Nathan2055> I caught him again!
#1021 [18:13] <Nathan2055> Or not...
#1022 [18:13] <Balee> You punch them, and there's a chance of them turning back to peaceful.
#1023 [18:13] <Nathan2055> That almost worked...
#1024 [18:14] <Nathan2055> I didn't weaken him enough....
#1025 [18:14] <Shado> the smartmoving mod, in the options menu, is giving me problems. i have two options that i cant use because they are under the "done" bar. is there a way to fix that?
#1026 [18:15] <Nathan2055> I know have every hostile mob in the game chasing me.
#1027 [18:15] <Balee> Nathan: Why'd you have to weaken it?
#1028 [18:15] <Nathan2055> Other than Enderman.
#1029 [18:16] <Nathan2055> I got them in perfect position to do it with them free.
#1030 [18:16] <Nathan2055> But I failed....
#1031 [18:16] <Balee> Ah.
#1032 [18:16] <Balee> I take it you're on SSP?
#1033 [18:17] <Nathan2055> Yes.
#1034 [18:17] <Nathan2055> I died...
#1035 [18:17] <Balee> Condolences.
#1036 [18:17] <Balee> (As an unrelated sidenote: Tale of Kingdoms, y u no 1.1 compatible yet? :( )
#1037 [18:18] <Nathan2055> I'll brb and we'll try again...
#1038 [18:18] <Balee> Sure.
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#1040 [18:20] <Balee> Holy ham & egg sandwich, Batman! It's -9°C outside!
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#1042 [18:23] * Nathan2055 makes a sandwich
#1042 [18:23] * Nathan2055 eats sandwich
#1042 [18:23] <Nathan2055> I'm back.
#1043 [18:24] <Nathan2055> Let's hope I crashed Minecraft before it saved!
#1044 [18:24] <Balee> You have weird hopes.
#1045 [18:26] <Nathan2055> Well, I managed it!
#1046 [18:26] * Nathan2055 didn't want to lose 15 levels of xp
#1046 [18:27] <Nathan2055> Now to build a capture zone.
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#1048 [18:33] <Nathan2055> Almost done...
#1049 [18:35] <Balee> :)
#1050 [18:36] <Nathan2055> OK, I think I've got it.
#1051 [18:36] <Nathan2055> Now let's set the game to night...
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#1055 [18:39] <Nathan2055> Kaboom.
#1056 [18:39] <Nathan2055> Kaboom again.
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#1058 [18:45] <Nathan2055> Balee: It didn't work.
#1059 [18:45] <Balee> Why?
#1060 [18:45] <Nathan2055> It blew up the three times I tried it.
#1061 [18:46] <Nathan2055> The first time I caught it.
#1062 [18:46] <Nathan2055> Then I got too close.
#1063 [18:46] <Nathan2055> The second time it blew up because my sword broke.
#1064 [18:46] <Nathan2055> The third time it just plain blew up...
#1065 [18:47] <Balee> Using the trap I suggested?
#1066 [18:48] <Nathan2055> Yes.
#1067 [18:49] <Nathan2055> But made out of wood because I didn't have enough Cobble.
#1068 [18:49] <Balee> Shouldn't matter.
#1069 [18:49] <Balee> And when/why did the creeper explode?
#1070 [18:50] <Balee> Were you too close? Or it did so after getting shot by the skelly?
#1071 [18:50] <Nathan2055> Me.
#1072 [18:50] <Nathan2055> I didn't get the skelly caught at all.
#1073 [18:50] <Nathan2055> And I just died of an Enderman.
#1074 [18:51] <Balee> That happens.
#1075 [18:51] * Nathan2055 shrugs.
#1075 [18:51] <Balee> Do you mind if it's a more complex setting?
#1076 [18:51] <Nathan2055> I'll just have to defeat Mobs to get back that xp.
#1077 [18:51] <Nathan2055> What is?
#1078 [18:51] <Balee> (Build an XP farm.)
#1079 [18:51] <Balee> The trap.
#1080 [18:51] <Nathan2055> Sure, what do you have in mind.
#1081 [18:52] <Balee> Depends.
#1082 [18:52] <Balee> How long do you plan to stay?
#1083 [18:52] <Nathan2055> On IRC?
#1084 [18:53] <Balee> Yes.
#1085 [18:53] <Balee> (Asking because of possibly different timezones and all.)
#1086 [18:53] <Nathan2055> It depends on what happens.
#1087 [18:53] <Nathan2055> The Super Bowl is going on...but I can wait.
#1088 [18:55] <Nathan2055> Tell me.
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#1090 [18:55] <Balee> I'll plan a trap.
#1091 [18:55] <Nathan2055> For xp?
#1092 [18:55] <Nathan2055> Or the records?
#1093 [18:55] <Balee> The discs!
#1094 [18:56] <Nathan2055> Okay!
#1095 [18:57] <Nathan2055> PS: How can I build a good xp farm while I wait?
#1096 [18:59] <Balee> Hmmm...
#1097 [19:00] <Balee> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QSXWlPvGAo
#1098 [19:00] <Balee> Disregard the guy's pronounciation. :P
#1099 [19:01] <Balee> We use a setting sort of like this on our server.
#1100 [19:01] <Balee> Except it's kept 3 blocks wide.
#1101 [19:02] <Balee> And the spawner isn't enclosed as much. Instead, it's as big as the spawning area, and water directs mobs into the flow that takes them to the upwards flow.
#1102 [19:02] <Balee> It might take a few tries of fine-tuning to make it perfect, but it's well worth the trouble.
#1103 [19:03] <Balee> Although I don't really know if the mob limit offline won't affect the outcome.
#1104 [19:03] <Balee> Ours online can easily get you to lvl 30-ish in an hour or so.
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#1106 [19:07] <FRodriguez96> Can someone help me?
#1107 [19:07] <Balee> With?
#1108 [19:08] <FRodriguez96> My minecraft wont start up.
#1109 [19:08] <FRodriguez96> Says something bout minecraft.jar not found.
#1110 [19:08] <FRodriguez96> I dont know what to do.
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#1112 [19:08] <FRodriguez96> I restarted my computer and nothing happened,
#1113 [19:08] <Nathan2055> Ugh.
#1114 [19:08] <Balee> Well, minecraft.jar is the key component.
#1115 [19:09] <Nathan2055> My PC crashed.
#1116 [19:09] <Nathan2055> What were you saying?
#1117 [19:09] <FRodriguez96> Any solutions or ideas?
#1118 [19:09] <Balee> Try going to your user folder, find Application Data/.minecraft/bin
#1119 [19:09] <FRodriguez96> I did, no folder in there.
#1120 [19:09] <Balee> Are you admin on your PC?
#1121 [19:09] <FRodriguez96> Yes
#1122 [19:10] <Balee> I have no idea, then, it's been a while since I installed MC.
#1123 [19:10] <FRodriguez96> Went into appdata and didnt find .minecraft
#1124 [19:10] <FRodriguez96> :*
#1125 [19:10] <FRodriguez96> :(
#1126 [19:10] <FRodriguez96> Anyone please?
#1127 [19:10] <Balee> I believe it should create that folder on the first run, but I may be wrong.
#1128 [19:11] <Balee> There might be an installation process I can't remember.
#1129 [19:11] <FRodriguez96> Not in there.
#1130 [19:11] <FRodriguez96> Looked again.
#1131 [19:11] <Balee> Did you download the exe from minecraft.net?
#1132 [19:11] <FRodriguez96> Yes.
#1133 [19:11] <FRodriguez96> I have view hidden files on.
#1134 [19:12] <Balee> No idea, then, sorry.
#1135 [19:13] <Balee> Nathan.
#1136 [19:14] <Balee> Is this straightforward enough? http://i44.tinypic.com/fu7s5y.png
#1137 [19:14] <Balee> Basically, you stand on the glass, which you can connect to whatever, a floating path, anything.
#1138 [19:15] <Balee> You aim the mob on the block which the piston moves, turn off the current, have it fall down into the trap.
#1139 [19:15] <Balee> Find the other mob, repeat.
#1140 [19:15] <Balee> That other stone block indicates where you can stand to still have the skeleton shooting at you.
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#1142 [19:16] <Nathan2055> Hmm...
#1143 [19:16] <Nathan2055> Okay.
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#1145 [19:16] <skippydippy> hello?
#1146 [19:16] <Balee> If you have spare glass, I'd randomly make mid-air paths above the surrounding area, to gather mobs.
#1147 [19:16] <skippydippy> i need help fixing lag
#1148 [19:17] <Balee> I have that in the nether, to collect pigmen and lead them to their doom.
#1149 [19:17] <Balee> skippydippy: What kind of lag?
#1150 [19:17] <skippydippy> i have horible lag like i freeze and go and i have set everyth ing to what last guy said but i dtill lag
#1151 [19:18] <skippydippy> idk how to fix it T_T
#1152 [19:18] <Balee> Offline?
#1153 [19:18] <skippydippy> yes
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#1155 [19:18] <skippydippy> how i fix?
#1156 [19:18] <Nathan2055> So, to make the xp trap you mentioned, I need a spawner?
#1157 [19:19] <skippydippy> brb
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#1159 [19:20] <FRodriguez96> Can someone send me thier .minecraft folder? The installation just doesnt seem to make it.
#1160 [19:20] <FRodriguez96> I dont know what else to do.
#1161 [19:20] <[shodan]> Can I install modloader & modloadermp in bukkit ? and if yes should I still delete the META-INF folder like the modloader instructions say ?
#1162 [19:20] <Balee> skippydippy: I don't know, I'm not aware of what your system looks like.
#1163 [19:20] <Sporkin> where are you looking for it at?
#1164 [19:21] <FRodriguez96> Appdata
#1165 [19:21] <FRodriguez96> In my username
#1166 [19:21] <Balee> FRodriguez96: As far as I know Mojang frowns upon the sharing of jar files.
#1167 [19:21] <Sporkin> %appdata% > Roaming > .minecraft
#1168 [19:21] <Balee> Nathan2055: Yes.
#1169 [19:21] <FRodriguez96> balee: Oh i didnt know :(
#1170 [19:21] <Nathan2055> FRodriguez96: You need to open the Minecraft.exe file, log in, and the folder will be created.
#1171 [19:21] <FRodriguez96> Nathan2055: I did no luck
#1172 [19:22] <Nathan2055> Balee: What would be the best way to go about getting the spawner?
#1173 [19:22] <FRodriguez96> Sporkin: That is were i looked.
#1174 [19:22] <Nathan2055> FRodriguez96: I don't know what to say.
#1175 [19:22] <Nathan2055> Try contacting Mojang.
#1176 [19:22] <skippydippy> back
#1177 [19:22] <skippydippy> so howi fix lag
#1178 [19:22] <FRodriguez96> :(
#1179 [19:22] <FRodriguez96> Anyone?
#1180 [19:23] <skippydippy> i gotpc for christmas just got minecraft on it and idk much about it at all so idk how to fix lag any help?
#1181 [19:23] <AureliusM> FRodriguez96: What error mesage is the exe giving you?
#1182 [19:23] <Balee> Nathan2055? What do you mean "getting"?
#1183 [19:23] <FRodriguez96> AureliusM: Says it cant find minecraft.jar
#1184 [19:24] <AureliusM> FRodriguez96: That's it? Nothing more?
#1185 [19:24] <skippydippy> any help? i have bad lag so bad i cant really play it right T_TT_T_T_T_T_T_T_T_T_T
#1186 [19:24] <FRodriguez96> AureliusM: Pretty much. I checked were .minecraft is but no folder inside appdata>roaming.
#1187 [19:25] <Balee> skippydippy: You said someone tried helping you.
#1188 [19:25] <Balee> What did he say then?
#1189 [19:26] <skippydippy> yah he sai to set distance to low open ge and max fps
#1190 [19:26] <skippydippy> but it didnt help
#1191 [19:26] <AureliusM> FRodriguez96: You downloaded minecraft.exe from minecraft.net/download? And launched it? Exactly when does the error message occur? Can you get the full error message?
#1192 [19:26] <Nathan2055> Balee: I've decided to build upon the trap idea, and build a small cave and lure the mobs into it.
#1193 [19:26] <Nathan2055> I hope it works!
#1194 [19:26] <Balee> :)
#1195 [19:26] <FRodriguez96> AureliusM: Installation said it was succesful but I find no .minecraft folder.
#1196 [19:27] <skippydippy> idk wha to do to pc/mc to fix what do u think i should do?
#1197 [19:27] <AureliusM> FRodriguez96: Has minecraft ever worked on this computer?
#1198 [19:27] <FRodriguez96> AureliusM: Yes. Played it a week ago.
#1199 [19:28] <skippydippy> Balee whatdo u think i should do?
#1200 [19:28] <AureliusM> FRodriguez96: And what happened since then? Windows Update? Any new software installed?
#1201 [19:28] <Balee> skippydippy: It might be that your computer isn't strong enough.
#1202 [19:28] <FRodriguez96> AureliusM: Not at all.
#1203 [19:28] <AureliusM> FRodriguez96: Which Windows OS?
#1204 [19:28] <Balee> How much RAM do you have? What kind of CPU do you have?
#1205 [19:29] <skippydippy> its stronger than the last pc i had it on
#1206 [19:29] <FRodriguez96> AureliusM: Win7
#1207 [19:29] <skippydippy> idk what half of that is i toke friends word for it..
#1208 [19:29] <skippydippy> i know nothing about pcs..
#1209 [19:29] <skippydippy> if that helps..
#1210 [19:29] <Balee> Well I can't be of much help without details.
#1211 [19:29] <AureliusM> FRodriguez96: click Start click run and type %APPDATA% and press the enter key; look for .minecraft
#1212 [19:30] <skippydippy> how can i look into that??
#1213 [19:30] <FRodriguez96> AureliusM: Im in it right now.
#1214 [19:30] <skippydippy> what ido??
#1215 [19:30] <skippydippy> ?_?
#1216 [19:30] <Balee> Is your windows English?
#1217 [19:30] <skippydippy> yes
#1218 [19:30] <AureliusM> FRodriguez96: WHere is the exe you are launching?
#1219 [19:30] <FRodriguez96> AureliusM: In my downloads folder.
#1220 [19:31] <Balee> Got to Control Panel, and select System.
#1221 [19:31] <FRodriguez96> AureliusM: Someone told me to get a .minecraft folder from someone and place it in roaming folder.
#1222 [19:31] <Balee> The window popping up should have your CPU and RAM info at the bottom.
#1223 [19:31] <AureliusM> FRodriguez96: Copy it of your downloads to a folder on your desktop. Or on your desktop. Ignore getting a .minecraft folder
#1224 [19:32] <FRodriguez96> AureliusM: Did, ran it, sucessful, but no .minecraft folder or minecraft.jar
#1225 [19:32] <Balee> FRodriguez96: Are there folders starting with a dot in Application Data?
#1226 [19:32] <AureliusM> FRodriguez96: Try this: http://pastebin.com/gDRbA6g2
#1227 [19:32] <Nathan2055> FRodriguez96: Start the game, make a new save, exit, and then look.
#1228 [19:32] <Balee> (Just a hunch, maybe your Windows doesn't like folders like that.)
#1229 [19:33] <skippydippy> i dont see RAM
#1230 [19:33] <FRodriguez96> Balee: Some but none related to minecraft
#1231 [19:33] <Balee> Nathan2055: He can't play the game without the jar file.
#1232 [19:33] <FRodriguez96> Nathan2055: I cant, no minecraft.jar found.
#1233 [19:33] <Balee> skippydippy: What do you see?
#1234 [19:33] <skippydippy> memory ram?
#1235 [19:33] <Balee> Memory, yes.
#1236 [19:33] <Balee> And processor.
#1237 [19:34] <skippydippy> 4.00GB (3.50 usable)
#1238 [19:34] <skippydippy> it says
#1239 [19:34] <Balee> Should be enough.
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#1241 [19:34] <Nathan2055> Balee & FRodriguez96: Well, what happens when he launches the game?
#1242 [19:34] <Balee> Okay, hmmm...
#1243 [19:34] <skippydippy> then y it lagging?
#1244 [19:34] <Balee> Nathan2055: [01:34:01] <FRodriguez96> Nathan2055: I cant, no minecraft.jar found.
#1245 [19:34] <skippydippy> id understand pcs
#1246 [19:34] <Balee> skippydippy: Let's try something.
#1247 [19:34] <skippydippy> ok?
#1248 [19:35] <Balee> Do you know how to take screenshots and then upload them somewhere? Like http://tinypic.com/ ?
#1249 [19:35] <skippydippy> no
#1250 [19:35] <skippydippy> idk how to do that srry
#1251 [19:35] <Balee> There's a key on your keyboard that has "PrtScn" on it.
#1252 [19:36] <Balee> Got it?
#1253 [19:36] <skippydippy> yes
#1254 [19:36] <FRodriguez96> Can someone please let me try one of thier .minecraft folders.
#1255 [19:36] <FRodriguez96> Someone keeps tellling me it should work.
#1256 [19:36] <Balee> Open MS Paint or something like that.
#1257 [19:36] <AureliusM> Nathan2055: FRodriguez96 reports the exe says minecraft.jar not found, and no .minecraft folder is created; and that it worked a week ago. I suspect Win 7 or ativirus derpery, but we're trying the batch method <- FRodriguez96
#1258 [19:36] <skippydippy> ?
#1259 [19:36] <Balee> Paint.
#1260 [19:36] <skippydippy> ?
#1261 [19:36] <FRodriguez96> AureliusM: Nope, disabled Anti-V.
#1262 [19:37] <Balee> ...You have got to be kidding me.
#1263 [19:37] <AureliusM> FRodriguez96: Did you try this --> http://pastebin.com/gDRbA6g2
#1264 [19:37] <FRodriguez96> AureliusM: Do you know were I could borrow a minecraft folder?
#1265 [19:37] <skippydippy> ...T_T
#1266 [19:37] <Balee> What Windows do you have?
#1267 [19:37] <skippydippy> 7
#1268 [19:37] <AureliusM> FRodriguez96: We cannot support that
#1269 [19:37] <Balee> Can someone with Windows 7 tell skippydippy where he finds MS Paint?
#1270 [19:37] <AureliusM> FRodriguez96: There must be a problem with your system setup, we should be able to diagnose it here
#1271 [19:37] <Balee> I have XP and have no idea where it is on 7.
#1272 [19:38] <FRodriguez96> AureliusM: That jar is for a server. The problem is that I have no .minecraft folder at all.
#1273 [19:38] <FRodriguez96> Dont worry about it guys, ill just okay some other stupid game.
#1274 [19:38] <AureliusM> FRodriguez96: What did the batch method report? This one--> http://pastebin.com/gDRbA6g2 <--
#1275 [19:38] <AureliusM> FRodriguez96: ?
#1276 [19:39] <FRodriguez96> Cya guys.
#1277 [19:39] <Nathan2055> skippydippy: Put Paint in the search box in your start menu.
#1278 [19:39] <AureliusM> FRodriguez96: Eh?
#1279 [19:39] <skippydippy> ok
#1280 [19:39] <FRodriguez96> AureliusM: Ill just forget about it.
#1281 [19:39] <AureliusM> FRodriguez96: That jar is the client
#1282 [19:39] <skippydippy> got it
#1283 [19:39] <FRodriguez96> AureliusM: I dont have a minecraft foler
#1284 [19:39] <FRodriguez96> AureliusM: Folder*
#1285 [19:39] <Balee> Thanks Nathan.
#1286 [19:39] <AureliusM> FRodriguez96: Just follow those instructions
#1287 [19:39] <Balee> So, skippydippy.
#1288 [19:39] <FRodriguez96> AureliusM: Thanks but ill just go.
#1289 [19:40] <skippydippy> yah?
#1290 [19:40] <Balee> Press that key I just told you, then go to Paint, and press Ctrl-V.
#1291 [19:40] <Nathan2055> FRodriguez96: I've seen this method used before and it does work.
#1292 [19:40] <Balee> You should have the screen's image pasted in.
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#1294 [19:40] <AureliusM> FRodriguez96: Well, come back later and someone will be able to help. You seem confused. This method at least gets the error message.
#1295 [19:40] <Balee> You'll see whatever there was on the screen when you pressed the key.
#1296 [19:41] <Balee> Tell me when you got it.
#1297 [19:41] <skippydippy> ok
#1298 [19:41] <Balee> Good.
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#1300 [19:41] <Balee> Close that file and open a new, clean one.
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#1302 [19:42] <skippydippy> what file???
#1303 [19:42] <Balee> Well, not file.
#1304 [19:42] <Balee> Window.
#1305 [19:42] <Balee> The Paint window.
#1306 [19:42] <skippydippy> ok
#1307 [19:42] <Balee> Close that and open a new one.
#1308 [19:42] <AureliusM> FRodriguez96: The other advice is: uninstall all Java and reinstall Java 6; 100% check all antivirus is disabled; then depending on results we would dig deeper.
#1309 [19:42] <Balee> You don't need to save it.
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#1311 [19:42] <skippydippy> ok i didnt
#1312 [19:42] <Balee> Got the new window?
#1313 [19:42] <cheez_> can i have help with running minecraft.exe?
#1314 [19:42] <skippydippy> yep
#1315 [19:42] <Balee> Okay.
#1316 [19:43] <Nathan2055> cheez: What's up?
#1317 [19:43] <Balee> Now, press Ctrl-Alt-Del, and get to the task manager.
#1318 [19:43] <Balee> Or what's it called in English.
#1319 [19:43] <cheez_> when i run minecraft i login like always but today i get this stuff about opengl
#1320 [19:43] <skippydippy> got it
#1321 [19:43] <Nathan2055> cheez: What does it say?
#1322 [19:44] <cheez_> let me get the thing
#1323 [19:44] <Balee> Resize it to fill in the screen.
#1324 [19:44] <skippydippy> then?
#1325 [19:44] <Balee> And go to the Performance screen.
#1326 [19:44] <cheez_> Bad video card drivers! ----------------------- Minecraft was unable to start because it failed to find an accelerated OpenGL mode. This can usually be fixed by updating the video card drivers. --- BEGIN ERROR REPORT 7fe0271 -------- Generated 2/8/12 4:38 PM Minecraft: Minecraft 1.1 OS: Windows XP (x86) version 5.1 Java: 1.7.0_02, Oracle Corporation VM: Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (mixed mode), Oracle Corporat
#1327 [19:44] <Balee> You should see a green graph.
#1328 [19:44] <skippydippy> yah
#1329 [19:44] <Balee> Fold down the window for the time being.
#1330 [19:44] <skippydippy> ok
#1331 [19:44] <AureliusM> ??> cheez_ pastebin
#1332 [19:44] <VoxelHead> cheez_: (pastebin) Pastebin is a service run at http://www.pastebin.com/ which facilitates the sharing of information without flooding IRC channels. Paste your text there, click 'Submit', and give us the URL the site takes you to, and we can see what you have pasted.
#1333 [19:45] <AureliusM> cheez_: paste that error file into pastebin.com ^^^
#1334 [19:45] <cheez_> http://pastebin.com/Ym3se7Vf
#1335 [19:45] <skippydippy> now what?
#1336 [19:45] <Balee> Now open Minecraft, count ten seconds. Log in, count ten seconds. Then open a world.
#1337 [19:45] <skippydippy> ok
#1338 [19:45] <AureliusM> ??> cheez_ win/dxdiag
#1339 [19:45] <VoxelHead> cheez_: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#1340 [19:45] <Nathan2055> cheez: You most likely need new graphics card drivers.
#1341 [19:45] <VoxelHead> cheez_: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
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#1343 [19:46] <Balee> Wait and see if it's lagging. If so, tell me.
#1344 [19:46] <Nathan2055> AureliusM: Can you tell me how you did that so I can do it for people next time?
#1345 [19:46] <cheez_> http://pastebin.com/qhgCLyP7
#1346 [19:47] <skippydippy> lag!
#1347 [19:47] <Balee> Okay, let's wait half a minute or so.
#1348 [19:47] <Nathan2055> cheez: Google the name of your video card with drivers at the end (like "[insert card name here] drivers"). You'll find the info you need there.
#1349 [19:47] <skippydippy> ok
#1350 [19:47] <skippydippy> y?
#1351 [19:48] <Balee> What we are now trying to check, if Minecraft overloads your processor, your memory, or both.
#1352 [19:48] <skippydippy> ok
#1353 [19:48] <Nathan2055> AureliusM: Can you tell me how you did that so I can do it for people next time?
#1354 [19:48] <Balee> The task manager's graph will show if that's the case.
#1355 [19:48] <skippydippy> ok i llook now?
#1356 [19:48] <AureliusM> Nathan, I use the ?? commands of VoxelHead
#1357 [19:48] <cheez_> i have already updated my driver but theres no opengl
#1358 [19:48] <Balee> But it only draws a pixel or so every second, so we should wait a bit.
#1359 [19:48] <AureliusM> Nathan, try ??< index
#1360 [19:49] <skippydippy> ok ill brb then
#1361 [19:49] <skippydippy> brb
#1362 [19:49] <AureliusM> ?? index
#1363 [19:49] <VoxelHead> index: See http://mcfaq.hfbgaming.com/ for a list of FAQ entries.
#1364 [19:49] <Balee> Tell me when you're back, skippydippy.
#1365 [19:49] <Nathan2055> ??< index
#1366 [19:49] <Balee> As an unrelated sidenote, I'm hungry.
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#1368 [19:49] <Balee> ??> Nathan2055 index
#1369 [19:49] <VoxelHead> Nathan2055: (index) See http://mcfaq.hfbgaming.com/ for a list of FAQ entries.
#1370 [19:50] <skippydippy> nack
#1371 [19:50] <skippydippy> so what i do now?
#1372 [19:51] <Balee> Okay.
#1373 [19:51] <Balee> Close Minecraft.
#1374 [19:51] <skippydippy> ok
#1375 [19:51] <Nathan2055> Aurelius: That page appears to be down.
#1376 [19:51] <cheez_> can someone tell me how to get opengl, i have updated the drivers and everything.
#1377 [19:51] <skippydippy> then?_?
#1378 [19:51] <Balee> When you did, count to 15 seconds, then fold up the task manager.
#1379 [19:51] <skippydippy> ok now what
#1380 [19:52] <Balee> When you folded it up, press PrtScn, and paste the image into Paint.
#1381 [19:52] <Balee> Tell me when you got that.
#1382 [19:52] <AureliusM> Nathan, http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:LxBthGeH_mEJ:mcfaq.hfbgaming.com/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&client=opera <-- google cache
#1383 [19:52] <Nathan2055> Aurelius: Thanks!
#1384 [19:53] <cheez_> can anyone help me get "opengl"?
#1385 [19:53] <Nathan2055> cheez: OpenGL is a computer code language like C++ not a program.
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#1387 [19:53] <AureliusM> cheez_: sorry, I was having problems with chat rooms disconnecting; Yes you need a driver from Intel or Dell that supports Open GL 1.4 at least; I'm not sure about the G33 though.
#1388 [19:53] <skippydippy> ok?
#1389 [19:53] <Balee> Save the image to your desktop or something, and go to http://tinypic.com/
#1390 [19:53] <Balee> Browse for the saved file there, and upload it.
#1391 [19:54] <cheez_> the thing is i updated the driver but it wont work
#1392 [19:54] <Nathan2055> cheez: You need to do what I said earlier: Google the name of your video card with drivers at the end (like "[insert card name here] drivers"). You'll find the info you need there.
#1393 [19:54] <AureliusM> cheez_: I'm looking through http://downloadcenter.intel.com/ now for the G33 G£1 drivers
#1394 [19:54] <Balee> Then paste the URL here under the "Direct Link for Layouts" text.
#1395 [19:54] <Balee> Um...
#1396 [19:55] <Balee> *Then paste the URL under the "Direct Link for Layouts" text here.
#1397 [19:55] <skippydippy> http://tinypic.com/ wont come up
#1398 [19:55] <Balee> It should, I'm there.
#1399 [19:55] <skippydippy> its still not loading
#1400 [19:55] <skippydippy> it says connecting and is blank
#1401 [19:55] <Balee> Just a moment.
#1402 [19:55] <Nathan2055> Try imgur.com.
#1403 [19:56] <Balee> Try this.
#1404 [19:56] <Balee> http://imageshack.us/
#1405 [19:56] <Balee> Imgur is more of a social site, isn't it, Nathan2055?
#1406 [19:56] <Balee> Not an image sharing site per definition.
#1407 [19:56] <Balee> But skippydippy.
#1408 [19:56] <Balee> Before you upload.
#1409 [19:56] <AureliusM> cheez_: Try this: http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&DwnldID=18774&ProdId=2843&lang=eng
#1410 [19:56] <Nathan2055> Balee: It's used for tons of stuff on the forum.
#1411 [19:56] <cheez_> AureliusM: i have the driver but i dont have "Opengl" which is why i think its not its not running and if you find anything please let me know
#1412 [19:56] <Balee> In the "Image resize" part, select "Do not resize".
#1413 [19:57] <Nathan2055> cheez: OpenGL isn't a program, it's part of you graphics card drivers.
#1414 [19:57] <Nathan2055> You need to update them.
#1415 [19:57] <AureliusM> cheez_: Ah, maybe the G33 does not support OpenGL, I'm reading the notes on it now
#1416 [19:57] <skippydippy> i uploaded it
#1417 [19:58] <cheez_> brb
#1418 [19:58] <Balee> Then copy the URL from the "Link" box.
#1419 [19:58] <Nathan2055> Aurelius: Can Voxel respond to PMs?
#1420 [19:58] <Balee> Paste it here.
#1421 [19:58] <cheez_> thanks for the like aureliusm
#1422 [19:58] <Balee> VoxelBot isn't a girl.
#1423 [19:58] <Balee> *Badumpsh*
#1424 [19:58] <cheez_> link*
#1425 [19:58] <AureliusM> cheez_: Intel says it should support 1.4, that might not be enough. Intel chips know for poor support. see http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/sb/CS-028169.htm
#1426 [19:59] <Nathan2055> Balee: What are you talking about?
#1427 [19:59] <AureliusM> cheez_: So, when you tried to install that intel driver what happedn?
#1428 [19:59] <Balee> Nevermind.
#1429 [20:00] <Balee> skippydippy?
#1430 [20:00] <cheez_> i'm going to restart it it is done downloading if it is ok and works i will not comeback
#1431 [20:00] <Nathan2055> ?? help
#1432 [20:00] <VoxelHead> help: To use this service, there are several commands. ?? will answer a FAQ in-channel. ??< will privately send you the answer to a FAQ. ??> will answer a FAQ in channel with attention to the person you specify. ??>> will do the same, only privately
#1433 [20:00] <VoxelHead> help: For a list of FAQs I can answer (or more accurately, a link to one), check the keyword 'index' with '??< index'
#1434 [20:00] <Nathan2055> ??< demo
#1435 [20:00] <Balee> Lol, Oerg.
#1436 [20:00] <skippydippy> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/854/cpux.png/
#1437 [20:00] <Balee> Fancy seeing him here.
#1438 [20:01] <Balee> Well.
#1439 [20:01] <skippydippy> u get it?
#1440 [20:01] <Nathan2055> ??< ask/howto
#1441 [20:01] <Balee> Yes.
#1442 [20:01] <Nathan2055> ??< ask
#1443 [20:01] <skippydippy> ??>ask
#1444 [20:01] <Balee> Now we know it's most likely not Minecraft overloading your CPU or RAM.
#1445 [20:01] <skippydippy> and?
#1446 [20:02] <skippydippy> then what?
#1447 [20:02] <Nathan2055> ??< dontclick
#1448 [20:02] <skippydippy> my internets crap?
#1449 [20:02] <Balee> It lags offline, isn't it?
#1450 [20:02] <skippydippy> yes
#1451 [20:02] <Nathan2055> ??< dont/pebcak
#1452 [20:02] <AureliusM> Nathan, ??< commands should reply to you in their own chat window. Or maybe you need voice, let me test.
#1453 [20:02] <AureliusM> ??< ask/howto
#1454 [20:02] <Balee> It doesn't have anything to do with your internet.
#1455 [20:02] <Balee> In that case.
#1456 [20:02] <skippydippy> then what?
#1457 [20:02] <Balee> Thinking.
#1458 [20:03] <Nathan2055> Aurelius: I understand now.
#1459 [20:04] <Nathan2055> ??< dont/tweet
#1460 [20:04] <skippydippy> i herd about a game booster but i dont think its safe
#1461 [20:04] <Balee> Well there's Optifine.
#1462 [20:04] <Balee> It's a mod for Minecraft.
#1463 [20:04] <Balee> It's prefectly safe.
#1464 [20:04] <Balee> *perfectly
#1465 [20:04] <skippydippy> ok il try it
#1466 [20:04] <Balee> Wait.
#1467 [20:04] <Nathan2055> Balee: You took the words out of my mouth!
#1468 [20:04] <skippydippy> ?
#1469 [20:04] <AureliusM> Nathan, you can /join ##voxelhead - that lets you test ?? commands outside of this chat
#1470 [20:04] <Balee> skippydippy: http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/249637-11-optifine-hd-b2-fps-boost-hd-textures-aa-af/
#1471 [20:04] <skippydippy> ty brb
#1472 [20:05] <Balee> I think.
#1473 [20:05] <Balee> What you need is the Magic Launcher.
#1474 [20:05] <Balee> Because that installs it without you needing to know about how mods work.
#1475 [20:05] <Nathan2055> Balee & skippydippy: It's great. You can run mods easy as pie with it!
#1476 [20:05] <Balee> With what? Optifine?
#1477 [20:06] <skippydippy> it wont work :( i have prerelease 1.2 cuz of bro srry but is "game booster" safe??
#1478 [20:06] <Balee> I don't see what connection it has with "running mods". It affects an unmodded MC as much as a modded one.
#1479 [20:07] <Balee> Optifine is safe.
#1480 [20:07] <Balee> It is used by a lot of people.
#1481 [20:07] <Balee> If you don't know a lot about PCs, you shouldn't use the prereleases.
#1482 [20:08] <skippydippy> bro knows alot but hes working >_> and he want s it so i cant get rid of it <_<
#1483 [20:08] <clarjon1> gamebooster is lulzy
#1484 [20:08] <skippydippy> ?
#1485 [20:08] <skippydippy> "lulzy"?
#1486 [20:08] <Balee> At this point I can only tell you to wait until 1.2 is released, Optifine will most likely updated soon after that.
#1487 [20:08] <Balee> I do not know of this "game booster".
#1488 [20:09] <Balee> But at any rate, Optifine is the way to go.
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#1490 [20:09] <Balee> It does indeed "boost the game".
#1491 [20:09] <Balee> In some ways.
#1492 [20:09] <Balee> Can remove lags.
#1493 [20:09] <Balee> It can even increase performance on computers that can run Minecraft just fine.
#1494 [20:10] <skippydippy> ok ty i g2g go so tyvm i (no offense) hope i wont see u again cuz if i do itl be cuz ill have problems if i do but tyvm bye :D
#1495 [20:10] <Balee> That makes me think, maybe I should get it too.
#1496 [20:10] <Balee> Heh.
#1497 [20:10] <Balee> See ya.
#1498 [20:10] <Balee> Ah...
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#1500 [20:10] <Balee> That was pretty much uncalled for.
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#1502 [20:11] <Nathan2055> skippydippy: Download OptiFine Standard from the page we gave you, download Magic Launcher, hit Setup, Add, and select the zip you got. It's that easy! Then just use Magic Launcher instead of Minecraft.exe.
#1503 [20:11] <Balee> Now, I have a mod-related question too.
#1504 [20:11] <Nathan2055> Balee: If you want it, do what I said above.
#1505 [20:12] <Nathan2055> Balee: What is it?
#1506 [20:12] <Balee> Which was that mod which enables users to change the color of light?
#1507 [20:12] <Balee> Thanks, I think I'll manage with Optifine just fine. :P
#1508 [20:12] <Nathan2055> Balee: I don't know.
#1509 [20:12] <Balee> I'll snoop around tomorrow.
#1510 [20:12] <Balee> But now, bedtime.
#1511 [20:13] <Balee> Good night!
#1512 [20:13] <Nathan2055> Bye, Balee!
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#1514 [20:17] <cheez_> aureliusm: it didn't work
#1515 [20:18] <AureliusM> cheez_: What did the driver install report?
#1516 [20:18] <cheez_> ? idk
#1517 [20:19] <cheez_> i installed it then restarted the computer and tried to run Minecraft.exe and it said the same thing
#1518 [20:19] <AureliusM> cheez_: What did you do after the driver package downloaded?
#1519 [20:19] <cheez_> it had to restart the comp so i let it
#1520 [20:20] <AureliusM> cheez_: Ok, can you get the whole error message again? Is it still a bad drivers error?
#1521 [20:20] <cheez_> how do i get to pastebin again?
#1522 [20:21] <AureliusM> ??> cheez_ pastebin
#1523 [20:21] <VoxelHead> cheez_: (pastebin) Pastebin is a service run at http://www.pastebin.com/ which facilitates the sharing of information without flooding IRC channels. Paste your text there, click 'Submit', and give us the URL the site takes you to, and we can see what you have pasted.
#1524 [20:21] <cheez_> http://pastebin.com/Aqw11eU8
#1525 [20:21] <AureliusM> ??> cheez_ win/dxdiag
#1526 [20:21] <VoxelHead> cheez_: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#1527 [20:21] <VoxelHead> cheez_: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
#1528 [20:22] <AureliusM> cheez_: do a dxdiag again so we can see what changed
#1529 [20:23] <cheez_> how do i do that again it just gives me a window i forgot how to change it so i can put it in pastebin
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#1531 [20:24] <AureliusM> cheez_: In the DxDiag window just click "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop. Then open the dxdiag.txt in Notepad and select all copy and paste it to pastebin.com
#1532 [20:25] <cheez_> here http://pastebin.com/LmYmbit2
#1533 [20:28] <AureliusM> cheez_: Intel(R) GMA 3100 *should* work for Minecraft, maybe Dell is making it difficult. Try Dell's driver scanner here: http://support.dell.com/support/topics/global.aspx/support/kcs/document?docid=DSN_324722&isLegacy=true%20
#1534 [20:29] <cheez_> where in that website do i go?
#1535 [20:30] <AureliusM> cheez_: Hmmm, I guess they mean here: http://www.intel.com/p/en_US/support/detect/graphics
#1536 [20:32] <cheez_> "Your driver is current" is what it said but does "Minecraft was unable to start because it failed to find an accelerated OpenGL mode." have anything to do with it?
#1537 [20:32] <cheez_> like i said i got the drivers but it says its bad
#1538 [20:32] <GreyVulpine> Try the low-mem pastebin instructions.
#1539 [20:34] <AureliusM> cheez_: Wait, try this: http://pastebin.com/gDRbA6g2 (thanks GV)
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#1542 [20:41] <cheez_> kk back but what .bat file?
#1543 [20:41] <cheez_> i dont see any
#1544 [20:41] <cheez_> just .. .sv LZMA META-INF net Util.class is all
#1545 [20:41] <AureliusM> cheez_: The instructions suggest naming it run.bat, and creating it in the folder on your desktop
#1546 [20:42] <cheez_> ohhh
#1547 [20:42] <langkid1> Is anyone in here good with graphic design and will make a background image for http://langkid1.me/pre for free?
#1548 [20:42] <AureliusM> cheez_: This part of the instructions maybe? Change the file type to "all files" and save the file name to anything that ends with .bat, eg Run.bat.
#1549 [20:43] <cheez_> hmmm well i named the text document to run.bat so i did that right, and i changed it to all files
#1550 [20:43] <cheez_> now what?
#1551 [20:44] <AureliusM> cheez_: Check that it contains just two lines, last line being pause. Right click on it and select edit to open it to check
#1552 [20:44] <AureliusM> cheez_: First line should be: java -Xmx256M -Xms256M -cp minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame
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#1554 [20:45] <cheez_> ok i did that
#1555 [20:45] <cheez_> next?
#1556 [20:46] <AureliusM> cheez_: After closing the run.bat file, check the folder contains minecraft.jar, and if it does double click the run.bat file and watch for errors in the black command window
#1557 [20:47] <cheez_> wait a sec. when i got the minecraft jar i exported into a file, i never got the jar itself, so i put the run.bat in that file and that file that i put EVERYTHING in it is Minecraft
#1558 [20:48] <cheez_> not .Minecraft
#1559 [20:48] <cheez_> just a folder on my desktop
#1560 [20:48] <AureliusM> cheez_: Not .minecraft
#1561 [20:48] <cheez_> nope just "Minecraft" is what i named it
#1562 [20:48] <cheez_> its on my desktop
#1563 [20:49] <AureliusM> cheez_: Folder named minecraft should be fine. Inside it should be two files one run.bat the other th eminecraft.jar from https://s3.amazonaws.com/MinecraftDownload/launcher/minecraft.jar
#1564 [20:50] <cheez_> but the thing is i never got "Minecraft.jar" everything that is supposed to be in it, i have, it was a zip file when i got it
#1565 [20:50] <cheez_> i know its supposed to be
#1566 [20:51] <cheez_> but not the executible jar
#1567 [20:51] <AureliusM> cheez_: Um, you are meant to just download the jar and place it in the folder, not open it
#1568 [20:51] <cheez_> i never got the jar i got a zip file
#1569 [20:51] <cheez_> with things that were supposed to be in the jar are in the zip file
#1570 [20:51] <AureliusM> cheez_: Oh, your browser downloaded it as a zip? Can you restore its proper name minecraft.jar ?
#1571 [20:52] <AureliusM> cheez_: Or please use a better browser. Is it Internet Explorer?
#1572 [20:52] <cheez_> i exported it using winrar so its not in anything just sitting there with run.bat
#1573 [20:52] <AureliusM> cheez_: And please check you've set windows to show file extensions
#1574 [20:53] <AureliusM> cheez_: WinRAR? Um, please follow those instructions again, you've got lost somewhere
#1575 [20:53] <cheez_> where do i do that?
#1576 [20:53] <AureliusM> cheez_: http://pastebin.com/gDRbA6g2
#1577 [20:53] <cheez_> wait wait wait let me explain
#1578 [20:53] <cheez_> when i got the file (zipped) i thought it would be in there not just the contents of it
#1579 [20:54] <cheez_> thats it
#1580 [20:54] <cheez_> i copyed it into the folder
#1581 [20:54] <cheez_> i never got lost i just never got the .jar it was zipped file
#1582 [20:54] <cheez_> a zipped file*
#1583 [20:55] <AureliusM> cheez_: Ok I understand, but you should set the browser to not change any filenames. Things will not always work that way.
#1584 [20:55] <cheez_> i dont know how to change that i'm a noob with computers
#1585 [20:55] <cheez_> can you tell me how?
#1586 [20:56] <AureliusM> cheez_: Ok, first make Windows show extensions: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/865219
#1587 [20:57] <AureliusM> cheez_: scroll down to "For Windows 2000, Windows XP, and Windows Server 2003" and follow steps 1 to 6
#1588 [20:57] <cheez_> kk
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#1590 [20:59] <AureliusM> cheez_: Then, return to the folder with the minecraft.jar and right mouse click over it and check its properties, its size should be 89,406 bytes
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#1592 [20:59] <AureliusM> cheez_: And its name should be minecraft.jar, if it's not, rename it so that it is.
#1593 [21:00] <cheez_> i dont have it saved it anywhere, let me do it quickly please hold on =)
#1594 [21:00] <mtdark> hey all, this is only partially minecraft related... anyone know of a good decent priced (not overly expensive) video card? the one I'm using 5830 1gb, gets graphical glitches in all 3d games, including MC :(
#1595 [21:02] <cheez_> kk i did it but something is wrong, two accually
#1596 [21:02] <AureliusM> mtdark: no idea, but any recent cheap Nvidia?
#1597 [21:02] <cheez_> in between it has (1)
#1598 [21:02] <AureliusM> mtdark: I guess you've checked the glitches aren't solved with a driver update, maybe catalyst?
#1599 [21:03] <mtdark> yeah aurelius
#1600 [21:03] <mtdark> I tried old drivers, latest drivers, I've had the issue since I got the stupid card last year ;(
#1601 [21:03] <AureliusM> cheez_: Then rename so it is minecraft.jar, nothing else
#1602 [21:03] <cheez_> also it looks like a zip folder even after i re-downloaded it
#1603 [21:03] <cheez_> kk
#1604 [21:03] <AureliusM> cheez_: Then use Firefox instead
#1605 [21:03] <cheez_> done
#1606 [21:03] <cheez_> i am
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#1608 [21:04] <AureliusM> cheez_: Oh? Hmm. Firefox doesn't do that fo rme. Maybe XP is doing something?
#1609 [21:04] <cheez_> probally, OH I have an idea
#1610 [21:05] <cheez_> just put the minecraft.jar in the zipped folder then give me the link so i can download it, open and get the jar
#1611 [21:05] <cheez_> a* not the
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#1613 [21:05] <mib_odjcbu> hey guys i need help with my server
#1614 [21:06] <AureliusM> cheez_: Can you right click over the link: https://s3.amazonaws.com/MinecraftDownload/launcher/minecraft.jar and select save file as, or save target as ?
#1615 [21:07] <mib_odjcbu> My server keeps glitching
#1616 [21:07] <AureliusM> cheez_: Well, this isn't the usual way files are downloaded, but re-check that minecraft.jar has 89,406 bytes
#1617 [21:07] <cheez_> i dont have that opition but i have save link as,
#1618 [21:08] <AureliusM> cheez_: I suggest renaming whatever minecraft named files that are in that folder as "whoknows" and trying again to download that jar without any messing about with zip files.
#1619 [21:09] <AureliusM> cheez_: save link as is also fine - make sure you save it to the folder which has the run.bat file. Not anywhere else
#1620 [21:09] <cheez_> kk
#1621 [21:11] <cheez_> i did it but it still looks like a zip file
#1622 [21:11] <AureliusM> mtdark: Hmm, too late to return card to seller? Last time I had glitches was because I was overheating an old nVidia card.. eventually it fried and I bought an older more heat resistant one!
#1623 [21:11] <cheez_> sooooooo what do i do =(
#1624 [21:11] <Rainweaver> i start up the server like normal but it doesnt load. just keeps glitching trying to load the same thing over and over. Not sure what to do ><
#1625 [21:12] <AureliusM> cheez_: And the properties under general tab says what for its name? Not its type.
#1626 [21:12] <AureliusM> cheez_: Right mouse click over the minecraft.jar file and select properties. There should be a white text field that contains "minecraft.jar"
#1627 [21:13] <cheez_> ok so i look at its properties and at the top it says "minecraft.jar Properties"
#1628 [21:14] <cheez_> it still looks like a zip folder, does that have ANYTHING to do with that?
#1629 [21:16] <cheez_> aureliusM: did you read what i said? (just wondering not asking in a mean tone)
#1630 [21:17] <AureliusM> Rainweaver: when you ue a clicent to connect to your own server?
#1631 [21:17] <Rainweaver> im sorry what is the question?
#1632 [21:18] <oldtopman> cheez_: Are you using msie?
#1633 [21:19] <oldtopman> ??< index
#1634 [21:19] <cheez_> ?
#1635 [21:19] <AureliusM> I cannot see any chat in minecrafthelp so I'm restarting IRC client,back soon
#1636 [21:19] <oldtopman> Microsoft iternet explorer
#1637 [21:19] <oldtopman> internet*
#1638 [21:19] <cheez_> nope
#1639 [21:19] <Rainweaver> yes
#1640 [21:19] <Rainweaver> er no firefox xD
#1641 [21:19] <cheez_> i'm using firefox
#1642 [21:20] <oldtopman> Do you have java installed?
#1643 [21:20] <oldtopman> Do you have java installed?
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#1645 [21:20] <cheez_> yessssssssssss
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#1647 [21:20] <oldtopman> hrm :/
#1648 [21:21] <cheez_> what does that have to do with anything?
#1649 [21:21] <oldtopman> Right click => run with java
#1650 [21:21] * AM2 is back after 8 minutes of not seeing any chat messages
#1650 [21:21] <oldtopman> lol
#1651 [21:21] <Rainweaver> it automatically runs with java on mine
#1652 [21:22] <cheez_> i looked at the name and it is minecraft.jar
#1653 [21:23] <cheez_> AureliusM: are you there?
#1654 [21:24] <AureliusM> cheez_: my IRC client went mute on me, Um, Ok I think it's namd properly. What happens when you launch run.bat
#1655 [21:25] <cheez_> how do i do that?
#1656 [21:26] * AureliusM lost chat from 21:13 to a few minutes ago.
#1656 [21:26] <AureliusM> cheez_: Double click the run.bat file
#1657 [21:26] <Wug> blarg
#1658 [21:26] <cheez_> .... its a text doc. not a program =(
#1659 [21:27] <AureliusM> cheez_: Right, you need to change it to run.bat with no .txt at the end. Check its properties as you did for minecraft.jar
#1660 [21:27] <cheez_> OHHH
#1661 [21:28] <cheez_> yep its not run.bat
#1662 [21:28] <AureliusM> cheez_: These instructions should have done that: Change the file type to "all files" and save the file name to anything that ends with .bat,
#1663 [21:29] <cheez_> but its now run.bat without .txt and it looks odd so cant i just skip that now
#1664 [21:29] <AureliusM> cheez_: If they didn't we might need to adapt them for XP or your particular setup. They usually work exactly as written.
#1665 [21:29] <cheez_> ?
#1666 [21:29] <AureliusM> cheez_: No
#1667 [21:29] <AureliusM> cheez_: It must be run.bat, nothing else. Try double clicking it now
#1668 [21:29] <cheez_> yep its run.bat kk
#1669 [21:30] <cheez_> !!! minecraft just opened
#1670 [21:30] <AureliusM> cheez_: Now login and check it works in singleplayer
#1671 [21:30] <cheez_> kk
#1672 [21:30] <cheez_> YAY IT WORKS now?
#1673 [21:31] <AureliusM> cheez_: Any errors will appear in the black Windows command prompt. Ok, it means your system has not enough memory to give java 1 gig plus for the graphics card to support OpenGL at the same time, is my guess.
#1674 [21:32] <AureliusM> cheez_: You'll need to use that run.bat file to get it to work.
#1675 [21:32] <cheez_> do i still need minecraft the icon?
#1676 [21:34] <cheez_> do i still need the minecraft icon AureliusM?
#1677 [21:34] <AureliusM> cheez_: You may as well leave the icon there. That is for the minecraft.exe launcher. It might be possible to configure it to use 256M too. But I would not bother.
#1678 [21:34] <cheez_> kk THANKS sooooo much for the help
#1679 [21:35] <cheez_> will multiplayer work still though?
#1680 [21:35] <cheez_> oh and if i install mods do i use the original jar?
#1681 [21:36] <AureliusM> cheez_: Yes. But test it first, older graphics cards might have problems with new animation feature. So try portals, and test the dying screen, also test full screen.
#1682 [21:36] <AureliusM> cheez_: Yes was for the multiplayer question.
#1683 [21:36] <cheez_> kk
#1684 [21:36] <cheez_> but mods?
#1685 [21:36] <cheez_> btw multiplayer works =)
#1686 [21:37] <AureliusM> cheez_: mods, can be added as normal, the same %APPDATA%/.minecraft folder is used as the exe uses
#1687 [21:37] <cheez_> YAY thanks
#1688 [21:37] <AureliusM> cheez_: but, I would create a new folder just for mods
#1689 [21:37] <cheez_> bye have a good day
#1690 [21:37] <cheez_> i dont use a mod folder
#1691 [21:37] <cheez_> i use mc patch to download em
#1692 [21:37] <cheez_> is that ok?
#1693 [21:38] <AureliusM> cheez_: but, I would create a new folder just for mods. Here's an example how to do keep mods separate from vanilla this: http://pastebin.com/FRjZEyGT
#1694 [21:38] * AureliusM needs to proofread before posting
#1694 [21:38] <cheez_> but can i still use mc patcher for that?
#1695 [21:39] <cheez_> oh and will high res. texture packs still work?
#1696 [21:39] <AureliusM> cheez_: Yes, but you'll still need to force update when 1.2 comes around, but the same run.bat will still work
#1697 [21:39] <cheez_> kk
#1698 [21:39] <cheez_> thanks and the texturepack?
#1699 [21:39] <AureliusM> cheez_: Um HD packs? They need more memory
#1700 [21:39] <cheez_> ik
#1701 [21:39] <cheez_> but will the program affect them?
#1702 [21:40] <cheez_> i'm affraid it will right?
#1703 [21:40] <AureliusM> cheez_: Trial and error will tell you what the card can handle. Run.bat only tells java to use 256M for its heap, this is less than the usual 1 gigabyte, and that helps the PC and the card do more work with the remaining memor
#1704 [21:41] <cheez_> ohh then it should be fine from my knolage BYE AND THANKS ALOT! =))
#1705 [21:41] <AureliusM> cheez_: I use OptiFine mod with exactly the same run.bat file, have been doing this for months and several versions.
#1706 [21:42] <Rainweaver> i need help ><
#1707 [21:42] * GreyVulpine snrks
#1707 [21:43] <GreyVulpine> Rainweaver - With?
#1708 [21:43] <Rainweaver> i have server problems
#1709 [21:43] <GreyVulpine> And what problems would those be?
#1710 [21:44] <Rainweaver> i installed the server exe. found all the ip addresses needed. i portforwards and got it running last night. But today the server wont even start up just keeps glitching on the same thing
#1711 [21:44] <GreyVulpine> What's the glitch?
#1712 [21:45] <Rainweaver> It trys to load up % and it gets stuck half way threw
#1713 [21:45] <Rainweaver> and i have to endtask to shut it off
#1714 [21:45] <GreyVulpine> Could you try moving the /world folder elsewhere and try generating a new world?
#1715 [21:45] <Rainweaver> this is just the server not in gameplay
#1716 [21:46] <Rainweaver> will i loose my world if i did that tho(trying to avoid that cuz i already tried it once)
#1717 [21:46] <GreyVulpine> It would help narrow down the cause. By generating a new world, you can test if it's the world that's causing the server to not load up correctly
#1718 [21:47] <Rainweaver> last night i could connect locally and online. but now i cant do either
#1719 [21:47] <Rainweaver> and the ips havnt changed i checked
#1720 [21:47] <GreyVulpine> Could you try moving the server's /world/ folder elsewhere, so that the server generates a new world. See if you can join then?
#1721 [21:47] <Wug> coult you please just try it
#1722 [21:49] <Rainweaver> says cant connect
#1723 [21:49] <GreyVulpine> Does the server console give you any errors?
#1724 [21:49] <GreyVulpine> What ip are you using to connect?
#1725 [21:49] <Rainweaver> my external
#1726 [21:50] <GreyVulpine> And what external IP would that be?
#1727 [21:50] <Rainweaver> 76.0.21.3
#1728 [21:51] <GreyVulpine> That does seem like your external IP. Could you try your internal ip?
#1729 [21:51] <Rainweaver> the local isnt working either... but yeah i have to go
#1730 [21:52] <GreyVulpine> Okay then.
#1731 [21:53] * Wug suspects corrupt world AND internal ip change
#1731 [21:54] <GreyVulpine> Probably
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#1734 [22:01] <Derp_> hey my mc is acting up again :P mind taking a look a the crash log?
#1735 [22:02] <GreyVulpine> Got a crash log for us to look at? Upload it to www.pastebin.com and give us the URL
#1736 [22:03] <Derp_> http://pastebin.com/HwT2f21e
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#1738 [22:09] <AureliusM> Derp_: looks like graphics card not set to do OpenGL, can you do a DxDiag?
#1739 [22:09] <AureliusM> ??> Derp_ win/dxdiag
#1740 [22:09] <VoxelHead> Derp_: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#1741 [22:09] <VoxelHead> Derp_: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
#1742 [22:10] <Derp_> hmm ok
#1743 [22:11] <AureliusM> Derp_: but it worked before? Is there a control panel for the graphics card that might have changed? Or some system change?
#1744 [22:11] <Derp_> im not sure
#1745 [22:11] <Derp_> i had the same problem two nights ago
#1746 [22:11] <Derp_> everything should be fine
#1747 [22:11] <AureliusM> Derp_: Did you get help here 2 nights ago?
#1748 [22:11] <Derp_> yeah
#1749 [22:11] <Derp_> from wub
#1750 [22:11] <Derp_> wug
#1751 [22:12] <AureliusM> Derp_: I'll search the logs, same nick?
#1752 [22:12] <Derp_> yeah
#1753 [22:12] <Derp_> try from two nights ago to forward
#1754 [22:12] <Wug> if you tried reinstalling your graphics drivers and it didnt help, then idk
#1755 [22:13] <Derp_> it worked temporarily though
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#1757 [22:13] <AureliusM> Derp_: I found your IRC chat session around Feb 5: #1570 [22:45] <Derp> http://pastebin.com/85R1KuCf
#1758 [22:14] <Derp_> yep
#1759 [22:14] <Derp_> right there
#1760 [22:15] <AureliusM> Derp_: Can you do another dxdiag to check what might have changed? That shows an Intel(R) G45/G43 Express Chipset, Driver File Version: 8.15.0010.2202
#1761 [22:15] <Wug> Derp_: does it do this every time, or just sometimes
#1762 [22:15] <AureliusM> Derp_: ( but follow Wug first )
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#1764 [22:16] <Derp_> wug: this is very recent
#1765 [22:16] * AureliusM somehow recognizes that dxdiag, wonders if it is indeed memory related
#1765 [22:16] <Derp_> like ive never had this problem
#1766 [22:17] <Derp_> Aurelism: heres the new dxdiag http://pastebin.com/WjTYqJhb
#1767 [22:18] <Wug> the driver did update, it seems
#1768 [22:18] <Wug> you tried restarting the computer and other obvious crap like that?
#1769 [22:19] <Derp_> hmm
#1770 [22:19] <Derp_> lemme restart my compy
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#1772 [22:35] <Derp> well it worked :P
#1773 [22:35] <Derp> thansk again guys
#1774 [22:36] <AureliusM> Derp: Can you do yet another dxdiag so that I can check my memory suspicion? I'm wondering about the large display memory number
#1775 [22:37] <Derp> http://pastebin.com/zYGubSrM
#1776 [22:37] <Derp> here ye' go
#1777 [22:38] <GreyVulpine> !calc 128+1631
#1778 [22:38] <GreyBot> Answer: 1759
#1779 [22:38] <AureliusM> Derp: Thanks, well the Page File is now 1997MB used, a lot less than when you report the problem
#1780 [22:38] <GreyVulpine> It's just Intel siphoning memory from RAM for display memory
#1781 [22:39] <AureliusM> Derp: The two dxdiag's you had when there was a problem the Page file looked to be close to 4 Gig used, might have nothing to do with it though...
#1782 [22:39] <Derp> ok
#1783 [22:39] <Derp> well when the situation arises
#1784 [22:39] <Derp> how do i reduce the memory usage
#1785 [22:40] <AureliusM> Derp: I would try closing apps and retrying, next time it happens. Before rebooting.
#1786 [22:41] <Derp> alright thanks guys
#1787 [22:41] <AureliusM> Derp: To reduce memory use I close unneeded browser tabs.
#1788 [22:41] <Derp> oh
#1789 [22:41] <Derp> true
#1790 [22:41] <Derp> ok
#1791 [22:42] <Derp> got it thanks guys
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