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#2 [00:00] <Wug> well that was fun
#3 [00:00] <Wug> but this was not a truimph
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#5 [00:01] <mcrivers> any other things i need to PF besides Soft firewall in server 03?
#6 [00:02] <GreyVulpine> No.
#7 [00:03] <mcrivers> and the router is set up, any other reasons why outsiders cant connect?
#8 [00:03] <Wug> ;check mcrivers
#9 [00:03] <WugBot> Unable to connect to address: 9.136.207.74.static.srtnet.com:25565 (Timed out)
#10 [00:03] <GreyVulpine> Walk me through your network setup. IP and default gateway of the computer running the server?
#11 [00:03] <Wug> some isps filter traffic like this
#12 [00:03] <Wug> though its extremely unusual
#13 [00:03] <mcrivers> thats not my ip tho
#14 [00:04] <Wug> ;ip mcrivers
#15 [00:04] <WugBot> IP address of mcrivers is: 74.207.136.9
#16 [00:04] <mcrivers> yea thats better, why was it backwards?
#17 [00:04] <Wug> no idea
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#19 [00:04] <Wug> ;check 74.207.136.9:80
#20 [00:04] <WugBot> 74.207.136.9:80 does not host a minecraft server.
#21 [00:04] <Wug> ;check 74.207.136.9:25565
#22 [00:04] <Wug> derp
#23 [00:04] <WugBot> Unable to connect to address: 74.207.136.9:25565 (Timed out)
#24 [00:04] <mcrivers> the ip of the server should be 172.16.1.50
#25 [00:05] <Wug> I think thats a local address
#26 [00:05] <mcrivers> thats what isp said when they set up PF, the router is locked by them.
#27 [00:05] <GreyVulpine> That is
#28 [00:05] <mcrivers> ok
#29 [00:05] <Wug> that will only work inside your network
#30 [00:05] <mcrivers> when i google my ip it comes up with something different lemme check
#31 [00:05] <Wug> it probably comes up with 74.207.136.9
#32 [00:06] <mcrivers> it does
#33 [00:06] <mcrivers> and that was what my desktop was set at when it was running the server
#34 [00:06] <Wug> do you have something on the server-ip line of the config
#35 [00:07] <mcrivers> @greyvulpine router/modem to switch to server, as far as ip and default i can give you what ipconfig reads out
#36 [00:08] <Wug> you say you can access the server from any other computer on your network?
#37 [00:08] <mcrivers> yea
#38 [00:08] <Wug> sounds like its the router then
#39 [00:08] <mcrivers> with 172.16.1.2
#40 [00:08] <Wug> with 1.2, not 1.50?
#41 [00:09] <mcrivers> correct, srt the isp gave me 1.50 ipconfig gives me 1.2 & 1.3
#42 [00:09] <Wug> thats probably the issue
#43 [00:09] <mcrivers> two gigabit ports
#44 [00:09] <Wug> you will need to set up the server to have a static ip of .50
#45 [00:10] <Wug> what OS is the server running
#46 [00:10] <mcrivers> windows server 2003
#47 [00:11] <Wug> ok, can you follow these instructions:http://www.windowsreference.com/windows-server-2003/assign-static-ip-address-for-win-2003-server/
#48 [00:11] <Wug> use the information from ipconfig to fill in the fields
#49 [00:11] <Wug> except of course using 172.16.1.50 as the ip instead of .2
#50 [00:12] <Wug> you should only have to set it up for one of the two adapters
#51 [00:12] <mcrivers> ok lemme see
#52 [00:13] <mcrivers> dns server?
#53 [00:13] <Wug> should be listed in the ipconfig output
#54 [00:13] <Wug> if its not, try ipconfig /all
#55 [00:13] <Wug> might be in there
#56 [00:14] <Wug> alternatively you could use google's dns servers
#57 [00:14] <mcrivers> should it be the same as my default gateway which is 172.16.1.1
#58 [00:14] <mcrivers> thats what ipconfig /all states
#59 [00:14] <Wug> then use that
#60 [00:16] <mcrivers> says the static ip address that was just configured is already in use on the network. please reconfigure a different ip adress
#61 [00:16] <Wug> has something else been configured to use that address?
#62 [00:17] <Wug> can you ping it?
#63 [00:17] <mcrivers> yup
#64 [00:17] <mcrivers> dont know what it is tho
#65 [00:18] <mcrivers> could it be the other lan port?
#66 [00:18] <Wug> what happens if you try to connect to it from minecraft
#67 [00:18] <mcrivers> .50 wont connect
#68 [00:18] <mcrivers> errrr wait lemme see
#69 [00:19] <mcrivers> cant with .50
#70 [00:20] <mcrivers> just cleared the .50 settings for static ip and it reset it to .10 so now i have . 10 and .3 in ipconfig
#71 [00:21] <mcrivers> and i can connect to the server using both of those
#72 [00:22] <mcrivers> should i try to call srt back and see if they can give me an outside ip? obviously both of these are given by the switch,
#73 [00:22] <mcrivers> or do i need to connect directly to the router?
#74 [00:22] <mcrivers> really dont wanna do that because of file xfers thru the network
#75 [00:22] <mcrivers> and shouldnt have to
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#77 [00:25] <mcrivers> any other thoughts?
#78 [00:27] <GreyVulpine> You'll need to connect to the modem/router and double check the port forwarding settings
#79 [00:27] <GreyVulpine> If you can't get access to it, you'll need to talk to your ISP to port forward 25565/TCP to .10 or .3
#80 [00:27] <mcrivers> wouldnt they be the same no matter what pc was accessed?
#81 [00:28] <mcrivers> say if i were to run mc server on my desktop
#82 [00:28] <CrusaderDeleters> actually
#83 [00:29] <CrusaderDeleters> since there are around 6 computers (dont ask...) running on my router (not simultaneously, of course), I must set a certain end number for the host.
#84 [00:29] <GreyVulpine> mcrivers - I don't quite understand the question
#85 [00:30] <mcrivers> i have set up a server on my desktop and it worked, of course i had to call my isp and have them open the port, but is port forwarding specific to ip?
#86 [00:30] <CrusaderDeleters> he is asking if he can run his server on three different computers without changing the end port.
#87 [00:30] <CrusaderDeleters> oh.
#88 [00:30] <CrusaderDeleters> I was dead wrong....
#89 [00:30] <GreyVulpine> Yes, it's specific to a local IP address
#90 [00:30] <mcrivers> i have a server up right now on my desktop
#91 [00:30] <GreyVulpine> ;check mcrivers
#92 [00:30] <WugBot> 9.136.207.74.static.srtnet.com:25565 seems to host a minecraft server: A Minecraft Server (0/20)
#93 [00:31] <mcrivers> there it is
#94 [00:31] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, if you want to host it on another computer, you'll need to set up the router to direct the port forwarding to that other ip address
#95 [00:32] <zkxs> you could also forward a different port to each computer
#96 [00:32] <mcrivers> hmmm maybe i should call them back then, i did just call them and have them open the port but maybe they opened it on the wrong ip.... because they gave me 1.50 and i can only connect using 1.10 and 1.3 that could be the prob right?
#97 [00:33] <GreyVulpine> They probably port forwarded 25565/TCP to 1.50, which would be your desktop.
#98 [00:33] <mcrivers> *they gave me 1.50* when i asked for the ip of the server
#99 [00:33] <GreyVulpine> If you want to host a server on a different computer in your network, you'll need to have them direct 25565/TCP to a different ip, 1.3 or 1.10
#100 [00:34] <mcrivers> whe i look at the java window of the server and where it says who is connecting it said that i connected from .50, that makes more sense now
#101 [00:34] <Wug> if you're connecting FROM .50 that means the computer you're using has that address
#102 [00:35] <mcrivers> yea, so they opened it on .50 and i need it on .3 an .10, but i guess my question would still be, can i give the 172.16.1.3 /1.10 ip out to the outside world so they can connect after the port is opened?
#103 [00:36] <GreyVulpine> 172.16.x.y is a private IP address. Nobody outside your house can access that ip address
#104 [00:36] <CrusaderDeleters> whatismyip.com
#105 [00:36] <CrusaderDeleters> :P
#106 [00:36] <mcrivers> that comes up with the same ip as my DT tho
#107 [00:37] <GreyVulpine> I don't think you quite know what port forwarding does...
#108 [00:37] <mcrivers> not too much, know alot about computers just not so much with networking
#109 [00:37] <mcrivers> still learning
#110 [00:37] <GreyVulpine> Your public ip is:
#111 [00:37] <GreyVulpine> ;ip mcrivers
#112 [00:37] <WugBot> IP address of mcrivers is: 74.207.136.9
#113 [00:38] <GreyVulpine> Anybody who wants to connect to your house, needs to use that IP address
#114 [00:38] <CrusaderDeleters> 75.95.181.97
#115 [00:38] <CrusaderDeleters> ;ip CrusaderDeleters
#116 [00:38] <WugBot> IP address of CrusaderDeleters is: 75.97.181.19
#117 [00:38] <CrusaderDeleters> dan!
#118 [00:38] <CrusaderDeleters> dang*
#119 [00:39] <GreyVulpine> Inside your house, because you have multiple computers, traffic redirects to computers due to your router. All computers inside your house can't have the same public IP address. That's why you have 172.16.x.y addresses inside your house
#120 [00:39] <CrusaderDeleters> most of the time, x = 0.
#121 [00:39] <mcrivers> so when they connect using the 74.207.136.9 and port 25565 it would direct them to the "server" instead of my desktop or laptop? i thought there was a separate ip for each computer, not just locally but externally too
#122 [00:39] <GreyVulpine> You have one external IP address.
#123 [00:40] <GreyVulpine> You have multiple internal private IP addresses, due to NAT of your router
#124 [00:40] <mcrivers> oh ok
#125 [00:40] <mcrivers> and the router "routes" the traffic to the different pcs... now i feel like a complete id 10 t
#126 [00:40] <GreyVulpine> completely right on the first part.
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#128 [00:41] <mcrivers> sweet, now i guess ill get the port forwarded to the right ip and well see if that works...
#129 [00:41] * GreyVulpine nods
#129 [00:41] <mcrivers> thanks a ton for all your help guys.
#130 [00:41] <GreyVulpine> G'luck
#131 [00:41] <mcrivers> thx ill need it
#132 [00:41] <CrusaderDeleters> Your welcome for the very little help I gave :)
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#134 [00:44] <Lordtac> hi
#135 [00:45] <Lordtac> can anyone help me with a complicated problem?
#136 [00:45] <GreyVulpine> Depends on the problem
#137 [00:45] <Lordtac> Persistent + Resistant LSOD (I say Persistent and Resistant because I've tried most conventional methods to squash this problem)
#138 [00:46] <GreyVulpine> LSOD?
#139 [00:46] <Lordtac> Lag Spike Of Death
#140 [00:46] <GreyVulpine> Start by telling us what operating system you're on, and what version of java you've got installed
#141 [00:48] <Lordtac> Windows 7 32-bit Java 6-30
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#143 [00:48] <CrusaderDeleters> Are you on a laptop?
#144 [00:48] <Lordtac> Desktop
#145 [00:49] <CrusaderDeleters> hrm, most desktop cards support open gl 2.0 or greater, so that might not be an issue.
#146 [00:49] <GreyVulpine> Made sure java 7's not installed? Made sure your drivers are up to date? Closed down any unnecessary programs?
#147 [00:49] <Lordtac> Yes, yes, and yes,
#148 [00:50] <GreyVulpine> How much RAM do you have? How much RAM is free (task manager -> performance)
#149 [00:51] <Lordtac> I have 6gb of ram "installed" 3.5gb is useable, according to task manager 1320 is free and 2157 is available (Don't really see the difference there.)
#150 [00:53] <Lordtac> *googles the difference between free and available ram physical memory*
#151 [00:53] <GreyVulpine> Care to give us a dxdiag?
#152 [00:53] <GreyVulpine> ?? win/dxdiag
#153 [00:53] <VoxelHead> win/dxdiag: Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#154 [00:53] <VoxelHead> win/dxdiag: Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
#155 [00:54] <Lordtac> sure I can DXdiag
#156 [00:54] <Wug> might just be that you're on a 32 bit os
#157 [00:54] * GreyVulpine runs minecraft just fine on 32 bit XP..
#157 [00:55] <Lordtac> yeah mine used to be fine before as well... idk what went wrong (copy/pasting)
#158 [00:56] <Lordtac> here ya go
#159 [00:56] <Lordtac> http://pastebin.com/0QEUTQYP
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#161 [00:57] <Wug> I cant think of anything except that you would probably have less trouble with a 64 bit system
#162 [00:59] <GreyVulpine> Completely nuke and reinstall java, perhaps try a beta nvidia driver, maybe try optifine?
#163 [00:59] <Lordtac> this happens with and without optifine to equal extents
#164 [01:00] <Lordtac> um... i had to update my nvidia and graphics cards very recently to run battlefield 3 so that would have taken care of that
#165 [01:00] <Lordtac> problems been around sense 1.8.1
#166 [01:00] <Lordtac> way before BF3
#167 [01:00] <Lordtac> does java cleanly uninstall or will I have to find a nuking program, i've tried this already but I guess it couldn't hurt
#168 [01:01] <zkxs> Something I will do to try and figure out why a program is lagging is to use Process Explorer to see if there is another program eating all the resources.
#169 [01:01] <Wug> java tends to cleanly uninstall
#170 [01:01] <Lordtac> kk couldn't remember
#171 [01:01] <Lordtac> *sigh*
#172 [01:02] <Wug> it might help to look in the task manager or process explorer to see if something is consuming more resources than it should
#173 [01:03] <Lordtac> well there's not really much there... just antivirus firefox which is always a hog, and yahoo IM which seems pretty generous. also tons of randomly named system processes I've looked through before when I got this PC
#174 [01:03] <Lordtac> coretemp from my overclocking adventure
#175 [01:04] <Lordtac> that's about it
#176 [01:04] <Wug> play minecraft for a while and tell us if anything starts hogging cpu or ram when the lagspike happens
#177 [01:04] <Lordtac> would it help if I said this may be related to chunk loading/chunk updates
#178 [01:04] <Wug> minecraft is a cpu hog too
#179 [01:05] <Lordtac> lol yeah
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#181 [01:05] <zkxs> Unlike task manager, procexp supports monitoring disk I/O. Although you can generally judge if disk I/O is the culprit if you can hear it grinding continuously.
#182 [01:05] <Lordtac> no no grinding
#183 [01:05] <Lordtac> i assume that would be pretty noticable
#184 [01:06] <zkxs> It varies from drive to drive.
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#186 [01:06] <Lordtac> hmmm
#187 [01:06] <zkxs> One of the laptops I used to use had a piece of crap hard disk, and it would grind like crazy all the time.
#188 [01:07] <zkxs> It was the main reason the laptop was slow.
#189 [01:07] <Lordtac> well the MAIN hard disk is fairly new even though it small
#190 [01:07] <Lordtac> but I recently installed a 2tb slave for storage purposes
#191 [01:08] <Lordtac> and unfortunately T.T my external HDD just failed due to a bad power supply
#192 [01:08] <zkxs> They're SATA drives, right?
#193 [01:08] <Lordtac> the main drive I don't think is SATA
#194 [01:08] <Lordtac> but my 2tb drive is
#195 [01:09] <Wug> mat computers have a little HDD activity indicator led thing
#196 [01:09] <Lordtac> I didn't get a very good look at the main drive when I was installing the new one
#197 [01:10] <Lordtac> mat computers?
#198 [01:11] <mcrivers> hey greyvlupine you still around?
#199 [01:11] <GreyVulpine> Yes?
#200 [01:12] <mcrivers> got the port corrected it was on .50 instead of .10 can you check it?
#201 [01:12] <GreyVulpine> ;check mcrivers
#202 [01:12] <WugBot> 9.136.207.74.static.srtnet.com:25565 seems to host a minecraft server: A Minecraft Server (0/20)
#203 [01:12] <mcrivers> and once more, still had it open on desktop
#204 [01:13] <GreyVulpine> ;check mcrivers
#205 [01:13] <WugBot> 9.136.207.74.static.srtnet.com:25565 seems to host a minecraft server: A Minecraft Server (0/20)
#206 [01:13] <mcrivers> sweet!!
#207 [01:13] <mcrivers> thank you
#208 [01:14] * GreyVulpine tips hat
#208 [01:14] <Wug> Lordtac: most*
#209 [01:14] <Wug> weird typo
#210 [01:15] <zkxs> He has a static IP, but they don't let him configure his own router?
#211 [01:15] <Wug> zkxs: an internal static ip
#212 [01:15] <zkxs> static.srtnet.com
#213 [01:16] <Lordtac> oh something else weird happens during these lags
#214 [01:16] <Lordtac> my sound drops out
#215 [01:16] <Lordtac> idk how the heck that happens
#216 [01:16] <zkxs> Isn't that external?
#217 [01:16] <Lordtac> it only happens for minecraft.exe sound will work everywhere else
#218 [01:16] <Lordtac> it just drops out during a really bad lag
#219 [01:17] <Omega_Guardian> for me the sound engine last time I played a month or two ago was still bugged
#220 [01:17] <Lordtac> i see
#221 [01:17] <Omega_Guardian> it'd play the same sound over and over during lag, and even just clearing crops caused massive lag
#222 [01:18] <Omega_Guardian> if I disabled the ingame sound, suddenly the lag went down to playable
#223 [01:18] <Lordtac> wow, I used to get that on my old computer
#224 [01:18] <Omega_Guardian> Pentium4 here :P
#225 [01:18] <Lordtac> I use a sound card which basically means computer sounds are processed seperately from things like graphics and logic
#226 [01:19] <zkxs> I used to play on a pentium 4 :D
#227 [01:19] <zkxs> Every time notch added something new, it got slightly laggier...
#228 [01:19] <Omega_Guardian> I have a sound card even. I disabled the on-board, didn't notice any game get any better :P
#229 [01:20] <Lordtac> idk what to tell you
#230 [01:20] <Lordtac> yeah your right zkxs
#231 [01:21] <zkxs> The sound has never given me issues on my current PC, which considering I'm using PulseAudio is rather impressive.
#232 [01:22] <Wug> playing the same sound over and over is not a sound problem
#233 [01:22] <Wug> it might seem like it but its the fault of the application
#234 [01:24] <Lordtac> hmmm do I need to restart my computer when I uninstall java (Geez my memory sucks)
#235 [01:26] <zkxs> Not under linux </troll> If it doesn't say something about restarting, I wouldn't worry too much about it.
#236 [01:27] <zkxs> I miss all the mibbits. They really livened the channel up. I bet Vox is lonely without anyone to tell what an OS is.
#237 [01:27] <Lordtac> ok windows control panel has a thing about always wanting to restart when something is uninstalled
#238 [01:28] <Lordtac> even if its a C# application you make
#239 [01:28] <Lordtac> *uninstalled java completely*
#240 [01:29] <Lordtac> type *uninstalls*_**
#241 [01:29] <Lordtac> typo**
#242 [01:29] <Lordtac> grrrr dislexia
#243 [01:31] <Lordtac> huh that's weird...
#244 [01:31] <Lordtac> java development platform 7 was installed but it wasn't in the java windows...
#245 [01:31] <zkxs> kill it with fire
#246 [01:31] <zkxs> oh, just the JDK?
#247 [01:32] <zkxs> Do you program in java?
#248 [01:32] <Lordtac> I'm a bit of a glutton for punishment
#249 [01:32] <Lordtac> over the past several years
#250 [01:32] <Lordtac> I've experimented with a variety of coding languages
#251 [01:33] <Lordtac> though I never produced anything substantial with java
#252 [01:33] <zkxs> I don't know if just the JDK would mess with anything
#253 [01:33] <zkxs> but having the Java 7 runtime is known to mess with minecraft
#254 [01:33] <Lordtac> well I removed it anyway
#255 [01:33] <Lordtac> just in case
#256 [01:34] <Lordtac> its not like I can use it right now anyway, all of my scripting resources are laying dorment in my dead(?) external HDD
#257 [01:34] <zkxs> If the power supply is the only thing that died on it, you could still recover the data.
#258 [01:34] <Lordtac> yeah but i'm getting the tick of death... at least I think so
#259 [01:35] <Lordtac> the disk isn't spinning and I keep hearing an almost metronome sounding "click, click, click, click
#260 [01:35] <Lordtac> it doesn't sound as violent as a tick of death though... from what I've heard on youtube
#261 [01:36] <Lordtac> i'm hoping the power supply is no longer capable of providing enough power to the EHDD and it can't spin the disc's...
#262 [01:36] <Lordtac> its that or something shorted out
#263 [01:36] <Lordtac> either way i don't know how I'm supposed to recover the data without buying another power supply
#264 [01:37] <Lordtac> its not something I've done before
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#266 [01:38] <Lordtac> brb
#267 [01:39] <Lordtac> hmm nvm lol
#268 [01:41] <zkxs> You would need the power supply. Sometimes power supplies are interchangeable; you can tell by the voltage/amperage/polarity info on the sticker.
#269 [01:42] <zkxs> I have seen first hand how quickly plugging a device in backwards can fry it.
#270 [01:42] <Wug> lol
#271 [01:42] <Wug> I have an external hdd
#272 [01:42] <Lordtac> yeah its 12v/2a DC that's all it says on the output
#273 [01:42] <Wug> and it magically knows how to recognize its power cord
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#275 [01:42] <Wug> other cords that produce the same electrical current and voltage do not work
#276 [01:42] <Lordtac> yeah i know right wug?
#277 [01:43] <Lordtac> I would have tried that
#278 [01:43] <Lordtac> but I can't find a 12v/2a chord anywhere in my house
#279 [01:43] <zkxs> lol, is it some special shape? They must be bridging something somewhere to enable the cord.
#280 [01:43] <Lordtac> my other EHDD's are all 1.5a
#281 [01:44] <Wug> I found another cord of the same specs that fit into the plug
#282 [01:45] <Wug> but when I tried to use it, light would go on but drive would not spin up
#283 [01:45] <Wug> regular cord worked fine
#284 [01:45] <Lordtac> yeah, I found the exact same chord on the internet but its $40
#285 [01:45] <Lordtac> your sure it was the same polarity?
#286 [01:45] <zkxs> cord DMR?
#287 [01:45] <zkxs> *DRM
#288 [01:47] <Lordtac> so zkxs you seem knowledgeable about the hole power supply issue...
#289 [01:48] <zkxs> Somewhat
#290 [01:48] <Lordtac> ok...
#291 [01:48] <Lordtac> I have a seagate freeagent desktop (classic) they have more versions of this then minecraft has mods
#292 [01:49] <Lordtac> but its the oldest one they have that you can still find
#293 [01:50] <Lordtac> anyways, the power supply isn't anything special, its just a plug like you might used for a pair of speakers, and its 12v/2a DC output (that's all it says)
#294 [01:50] <Lordtac> my dad (Pro Electrician) is telling me to be careful about the frequency and whether its modulated or not
#295 [01:50] <Lordtac> I have no idea how to find this information out
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#297 [01:51] <GreyVulpine> All US electricity is on 60Hz, so there's nothing to worry about there
#298 [01:51] <zkxs> DC has frequency?
#299 [01:51] <clarjon1> Lordtac: ask dad to loook at the circuitry inside the PSU then
#300 [01:51] <GreyVulpine> And no, DC doesn't have frequency
#301 [01:51] <Lordtac> unfortunately i don't think he's up to it...
#302 [01:51] <GreyVulpine> Thinking he means the AC-DC transformer
#303 [01:52] <Lordtac> he doesn't normally repair them, he repairs base amps, speakers, and wires mostly
#304 [01:52] <Lordtac> maybe
#305 [01:52] <zkxs> All you need to do is find another 12v/2a adapter
#306 [01:52] <Lordtac> ok
#307 [01:52] <Lordtac> whats my best bet (please don't say internet)
#308 [01:52] <zkxs> it doesn't matter if the end doesn't match if you still have the broken cord, you can splice the cables.
#309 [01:52] <GreyVulpine> Best bet, radio shack
#310 [01:52] <Wug> yeah um
#311 [01:52] <zkxs> you just need to make sure that + goes to + and - to -
#312 [01:52] <GreyVulpine> Or frys, or some other electronics store
#313 [01:52] <Wug> if your hard drive is this broken
#314 [01:53] <Wug> lol frys
#315 [01:53] <Wug> if your hard drive is this broken
#316 [01:53] <Wug> you need to get help from a professional
#317 [01:53] <zkxs> it is just the cord, from my understanding
#318 [01:53] <Wug> because the alternative is to make a mistake and destroy everything
#319 [01:53] <Lordtac> well it seems like its just the power supply
#320 [01:53] <Wug> SO
#321 [01:53] <Wug> I wrote a parallel integer factorization algorithm in java
#322 [01:54] <Lordtac> say what?
#323 [01:54] <Wug> when I run it on 8 cores, it runs 13x faster
#324 [01:54] <Wug> would someone care to ponder why exactly that happens
#325 [01:55] <Lordtac> so the process... is split among the 8 cores simultaniously?
#326 [01:55] <GreyVulpine> Magic
#327 [01:56] <Wug> Lordtac: yeah, and it runs 13x faster
#328 [01:57] <Lordtac> well.. i just recently ran a stress test that did something similar... what I would say is that the process is instead of running 1 single 8kb thread on one processor, its instead running 8 1kb threads on all 8 processors individually
#329 [01:57] <Lordtac> where the x13 is coming from I'm not sure, I can only surmise that one or 2 of your cores was under more load then the rest, resulting in them being slightly more bogged down
#330 [01:58] <Lordtac> from standard OS activity
#331 [01:59] <Lordtac> using the logic I just typed you should only get x8 but in reality you might be getting x2 from each processor, and 2 the processors under load, aren't able to go as fast as the ones that arn't pulling you down from x16 to x13
#332 [02:01] <Lordtac> sound about right?
#333 [02:01] <Wug> no, its not that
#334 [02:01] <Wug> the discrepancy is very repeatable
#335 [02:02] <Wug> I get a speedup of about 12.7x running the program on 8 threads
#336 [02:02] <Wug> OS load is very minimal, this is running on a parallel computer with a job queue and all
#337 [02:02] <Wug> let me explain myself
#338 [02:02] <Wug> I know exactly why its doing it
#339 [02:03] <Wug> and I'm trying to see if someone else can figure it out
#340 [02:03] <Lordtac> ok
#341 [02:03] <Lordtac> *scratches chin*
#342 [02:04] <zkxs> What type of processor is it?
#343 [02:09] <zkxs> Are you using more than 8 threads?
#344 [02:09] <Lordtac> brb testing minecraft
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#346 [02:13] <Lordtac> yeah... minecraft outright froze this time
#347 [02:13] <Lordtac> got to play for about 2 and a half minutes
#348 [02:14] <zkxs> Is it throwing any errors to the terminal?
#349 [02:14] <Lordtac> no
#350 [02:14] <Lordtac> JavaW.exe has stopped working
#351 [02:14] <Lordtac> that's it
#352 [02:15] <Lordtac> didn't even leave me a java error txt file on my desktop
#353 [02:15] <zkxs> :mch-launcher
#354 [02:15] <zkxs> :help/launcher
#355 [02:15] <zkxs> buh
#356 [02:15] <Wug> :ts/launcher
#357 [02:15] <WugBot> ts/launcher: Use this launcher to help troubleshoot minecraft. It saves a log called minecraft.log containing any errors minecraft may have encountered as it was running. To use it, simply download and double click.
#358 [02:15] <WugBot> ts/launcher: Troubleshooting Minecraft Launcher (All Operating Systems): http://wug.me/minecraft/illegal/MCH-Launcher.jar
#359 [02:16] <Wug> and that wont be useful for java crashes
#360 [02:16] <zkxs> double buh
#361 [02:16] <Wug> zkxs: I have no idea what processors it has
#362 [02:17] <Wug> I believe they are sparc somethings
#363 [02:17] <Wug> 8 threads, 8 processors
#364 [02:17] <Wug> well, 8 cores
#365 [02:17] <Wug> I believe there are 2 quad core processors
#366 [02:18] <Wug> Lordtac: really looks an awful lot like 32 bit memory performance issues
#367 [02:18] <Wug> idk if you have an option to try a 64 bit os
#368 [02:18] <Lordtac> what would you suggest wug
#369 [02:18] <Wug> I'm not even sure the processor you have supports it
#370 [02:18] <Lordtac> it does, I'm sure
#371 [02:18] <Wug> but you can get a 64 bit version of linux for free and try that
#372 [02:18] <Lordtac> minecraft is the "only" application that has memory issues
#373 [02:19] <Wug> minecraft is the only program that uses quite as much ram as it does
#374 [02:19] <Lordtac> BF3 has a similar performance hit, it works fine
#375 [02:19] <Wug> im sure you would encounter issues with other very memory intensive programs if you had them
#376 [02:19] <Wug> bf3 isnt written in java
#377 [02:20] <Lordtac> also I ran a 24hr torture test to check for memory issues concerning ram and my processor (because of recent over-clocking) all checked out A-OK
#378 [02:20] <Lordtac> using PC98
#379 [02:20] <Wug> yeah, its not something that a torture test would find
#380 [02:20] <Lordtac> Derp meant Prime 95
#381 [02:20] <Wug> unless the test involved really high memory workloads within an OS
#382 [02:20] <Lordtac> yes that's what a torture test it
#383 [02:21] <Wug> p95 doesnt use anywhere near as much ram as minecraft does
#384 [02:21] <Lordtac> it forces processors to 100% workload and has configurable ram testing
#385 [02:21] <Wug> just trust me
#386 [02:21] <Wug> ive seen this issue a lot
#387 [02:21] <Wug> and for those who have 32 bit java on 64 bit windows, installing 64 bit java almost always fixes it
#388 [02:22] <Wug> problem isnt an issue with the ram itself, its just that the programs 32 bit address space runs out of usable room
#389 [02:23] <Wug> memory allocations begin to fail, and java subsequently crashes
#390 [02:23] <Wug> the lagspikes you were getting before were probably garbage collection overhead
#391 [02:23] <Wug> most people with 32 bit versions of java have this issue, or others very like it
#392 [02:24] <Lordtac> 32 bit addressing has a maximum limit of 4gb though
#393 [02:24] * GreyVulpine blames WugOS being secretly installed on all machines, for the inevitable migration to WugNet.
#393 [02:25] <Wug> Lordtac: java has additional memory overhead
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#395 [02:25] <Lordtac> I'm aware of that, not sure how much though
#396 [02:25] <Wug> the most memory 32 bit java will allow you to use is usually 1.2GB
#397 [02:25] <Wug> give or take
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#399 [02:25] <Lordtac> hmmm so java limits you to 1.2gb
#400 [02:25] <Wug> and programs can only use 2GB
#401 [02:26] <Wug> 2GB of the 4GB is reserved for stuff
#402 [02:26] <Wug> I believe OS use
#403 [02:26] <Wug> also you have 6GB of ram and a 32 bit system
#404 [02:26] <Lordtac> my system reserves about 1.5gb
#405 [02:27] <Wug> you should make every effort to move to a 64 bit system regardless
#406 [02:27] <Wug> because you're missing out on 2.5GB
#407 [02:27] <Lordtac> my original plan was to install PAE (Physical Adressing Extension) to use the rest of the ram
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#409 [02:27] <Lordtac> it installed fine
#410 [02:27] <Lordtac> but my sound crapped out
#411 [02:28] <Lordtac> and got a BSOD when I tried to download a new driver for it
#412 [02:28] <Lordtac> so I reverted back to my standard kernel
#413 [02:28] <Magiobiwan> Just go 64 bit.
#414 [02:29] <zoecat> what are mod x files
#415 [02:29] <Lordtac> I'm worried about running into problems concerning moving my current data, according to microsoft I can't take my data with me when I move
#416 [02:29] <zkxs> If only you had an external hard disk to back things up to
#417 [02:29] <Lordtac> I have a 2ndairy internal hard disk... not sure how that'd go...
#418 [02:30] <Lordtac> and low blow yk my external just died :P
#419 [02:30] <zkxs> What microsoft means by "you can't take your data with you" is when you upgrade the OS your data will be wiped
#420 [02:30] <zkxs> you can still back it up to another hard disc and copy it back later
#421 [02:31] <zkxs> it is just that the windows install won't do it for you
#422 [02:31] <Lordtac> what about registry and installed files
#423 [02:32] <zkxs> You would have to reinstall everything. And I suppose you *could* copy your registry over but I don't see why you would want to.
#424 [02:32] <zkxs> It would probably just break things
#425 [02:32] <Wug> copying the registry would be foolish and dangerous
#426 [02:33] <clarjon1> yea
#427 [02:33] <Wug> the registry only contains settings for installed programs
#428 [02:33] <zoecat> what are mod x files
#429 [02:33] <Wug> zoecat: I have no idea what you're asking about
#430 [02:33] <Wug> can you give more details
#431 [02:34] <Wug> Lordtac: as you installed your programs again, they would re-add their settings back into the registry
#432 [02:34] <Wug> as for files, you would have to back those up
#433 [02:34] <Lordtac> hmmm
#434 [02:34] <Lordtac> I'll think about it
#435 [02:34] <Wug> you only have to clean the one disk, the secondary one would be fine
#436 [02:34] <Lordtac> I might do it during spring break
#437 [02:34] <zkxs> Wug, is your factoring program using more than 8 threads?
#438 [02:35] <Wug> zkxs: nope
#439 [02:35] <Lordtac> I don't want to risk my computer getting botched in the middle of the school year
#440 [02:35] <Wug> Lordtac: yeah, that would be unfortunate
#441 [02:35] <Wug> do make sure you backup everything you cant afford to lose
#442 [02:35] <Wug> also, you can try ubuntu first
#443 [02:35] <Wug> you can run it from a cd without installing it
#444 [02:35] <Lordtac> yeah should have done that with my F drive but it was just a smidge to late
#445 [02:36] <zoecat> im trying to install a mod but I need to install the audio mod
#446 [02:36] <Wug> you could try doing that and see if minecraft has issues on it
#447 [02:36] <Wug> though it might not work anyway because the CD version probably will not have the right graphics drivers
#448 [02:36] <Lordtac> hmm
#449 [02:36] <Wug> you'd have to install it and update the drivers before it worked
#450 [02:38] <zkxs> And your GPU isn't helping at all?
#451 [02:39] <Lordtac> ok well ttyl I guess.
#452 [02:39] <Lordtac> cya
#453 [02:41] <Wug> zkxs: this is a headless machine, it doesnt even have a gpu
#454 [02:41] <zkxs> Does the program write to a file during operation?
#455 [02:42] <Wug> zoecat: the instructions probably have links to the required mods
#456 [02:42] <Wug> go install those
#457 [02:42] <Wug> just follow the directions
#458 [02:42] <Wug> zkxs: no
#459 [02:42] <zkxs> I give up :/
#460 [02:43] <Wug> its probably something that you wouldnt be able to guess without a fairly detailed examination of the algorithm
#461 [02:43] <Wug> it was not a fair question for me to ask
#462 [02:43] <Wug> basically, the brunt of the work is done calculating the LCM of every number up to some limit
#463 [02:44] <Wug> the test case we've been using is 75066201529121152333
#464 [02:44] <Wug> it takes a fair bit of time to factor that one
#465 [02:44] <Wug> in order to successfully do it, it has to calculate the lcm of every number up to about 300000
#466 [02:44] <Wug> which is an astronomically gigantic number
#467 [02:45] <Wug> its like several million decimal digits
#468 [02:45] <Wug> the calculation is done in parallel by breaking up the range into subranges and calculating the lcm of each subrange
#469 [02:45] <Wug> then calculating the lcm of each of the lcms of the subranges
#470 [02:47] <Wug> as it turns out, any mathematical operation for which the associative property holds can be computed for any set of numbers in log(n) time where n is the size of the sete
#471 [02:47] <Wug> as long as you have enough parallel threads running
#472 [02:47] <Wug> you can do a binary reduction tree on it
#473 [02:48] <Wug> thats part of where the speedup is coming from
#474 [02:48] <clarjon1> o.O
#475 [02:48] <clarjon1> I mis-read that as "Binary reproduction"
#476 [02:49] <Wug> the other part is that multiplication on 2 numbers is o(ab)
#477 [02:49] <Wug> where a and b are the sizes of the numbers
#478 [02:49] <Wug> so when you're computing that lcm, which is a huge gigantic number, multiplying by it takes a long time
#479 [02:50] <zkxs> So would you get an additional speed boost by adding more threads, even if you don't have any more cores?
#480 [02:50] <Wug> hang on im getting to that
#481 [02:51] <Wug> because the size of the smaller number is in this case always very small compared to the size of the larger number, you can more or less approximate the time complexity of calculating the lcm as o(n^2) for n is the size of the range
#482 [02:51] <Wug> so calculating the lcm for
#483 [02:52] <_303> so much wugging
#484 [02:52] <Wug> the whole range takes significantly longer than calculating it by breaking it into subranges and calculating the lcm of each
#485 [02:52] <Wug> then lcming all the resulting lcms
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#487 [02:52] <Wug> and THAT is why it runs 13x faster on 8x as many cores
#488 [02:53] <Wug> it would level off at a point, because the algorithm I wrote doesnt actually do binary reduction
#489 [02:53] <Wug> eventually you'd end up doing most of the work sequentially again, and it would be slow
#490 [02:53] <Wug> this would only be a problem if you were using like thousands and thousands of cpu cores thouhg
#491 [02:54] <Wug> and I could just make it do proper binary reduction
#492 [02:56] <zkxs> Your number is semiprime
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#494 [03:09] <GreyVulpine> !weather hell
#495 [03:09] <GreyBot> GreyVulpine: From Cobblestone Creek, Pinckney, Michigan (3:05a Feb 12 12) temp(18.2 F / -7.7 C, feels like 11 F / -12 C) cond(Light Snow) wind(NW at 5.0 mph / 8.0 km/h) hu(81%) dewpnt(13 F / -10 C) bp(30.24 in / 1023.9 hPa (Steady)) clouds(Overcast (OVC) : 2500 ft / 762 m) vis(10.0 miles / 16.1 kilometers) uv(0 out of 16)
#496 [03:09] <GreyBot> Tonight: Cloudy with isolated light snow showers. Lows 8 to 12. West winds 10 to 20 mph. Chance of snow 20 percent. Wind chills down to around 7 below.
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#502 [03:24] <ddeckys> Where can I appeal a ban at #minecraft ?
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#512 [04:16] <EvilPokoman> hi
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#524 [04:49] <magictj> Hi im using permissions and ive type /pr g:Admin perms add spoutninja.use but it still says do not have permission any help
#525 [04:51] <_303> maybe #spout or #bukkit knows
#526 [04:51] <_303> oh you've already asked in #bukkit >_>
#527 [04:52] <magictj> yh its really annyoing me
#528 [04:54] <_303> are you op on your server?
#529 [04:55] <magictj> yh im admin
#530 [04:55] <magictj> and im adding the perm to it but it says i dont have permission
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#547 [05:56] <Guest6068> Hey, we did yesterday a local server by tunngle. Now, we are trying to join, but our client stacks by "Downloading Terraint" . Where is the problem?
#548 [05:56] <EyesIsMine> wtf is tunngle
#549 [05:57] <Guest6068> a programm like hamachi ( Virtual localserver )
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#555 [06:38] <curmet> started playing yesterday i cant seem to open my inventery for my work bench to craft things
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#557 [06:40] <curmet> how do i scrap the world im in and start all over again ?????
#558 [06:40] <GreyVulpine> Check controls
#559 [06:40] <GreyVulpine> Delete the world.
#560 [06:40] <curmet> how do you delete
#561 [06:40] <GreyVulpine> Single player?
#562 [06:41] <curmet> yes
#563 [06:41] <GreyVulpine> Go to single player, highlight the world, there should be a "Delete World" button at the bottom
#564 [06:41] <curmet> thank you very much will try
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#584 [08:55] <Sevencraft> hello
#585 [08:56] <Sevencraft> im trying to set up a minecraft server, but it cant bind to the port, ive made sure its open and the server is set to my external ip, firewall and avast is off, need help
#586 [08:57] <[L]> The port may already be binded to another program or something is still blocking it.
#587 [08:57] <Sevencraft> nope, i used a program to make sure the port is open in tcp and udp
#588 [08:57] <Sevencraft> and the port is forwarded
#589 [08:58] <Sevencraft> iv got a mate on fb that is trying to connect, not once has he made it thru
#590 [09:02] <Sevencraft> hello?
#591 [09:02] <Pacha> You'll need to wait for someone to help you. I'm sorry, but I cannot help.
#592 [09:03] <Sevencraft> k
#593 [09:04] <Morrolan> If it spits out somethign along the lines of "can't bind to port" then you have most likely already a piece of software which occupies that port.
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#595 [09:04] <Pacha> If the software is closed, and not being used, is it still occupying the port?
#596 [09:05] <Morrolan> If it's not running then no.
#597 [09:05] <Pacha> I'm wondering if he should try closing all programs except whats necessary to run the server
#598 [09:05] <GreyVulpine> If you put in an ip address into server-ip in server.properties, it'll give you a "cannot bind to port" message.
#599 [09:05] <GreyVulpine> Make sure server-ip is blank
#600 [09:05] <Morrolan> And yea, that's the second possibility then.
#601 [09:06] <GreyVulpine> <Sevencraft> im trying to set up a minecraft server, but it cant bind to the port, ive made sure its open and the server is set to my external ip, firewall and avast is off, need help
#602 [09:06] <GreyVulpine> Most likely is
#603 [09:06] <Morrolan> Oh, I see. "server is set to my external ip" might refer to the server-ip in the properites file.
#604 [09:06] <Morrolan> properties fiel*
#605 [09:06] <Morrolan> file**
#606 [09:07] <Pacha> So possibly he entered something into the server-ip?
#607 [09:07] <Pacha> And that's whats causing this?
#608 [09:07] <Morrolan> Mhm, tell him not to enter anything into that properties field.
#609 [09:08] <Pacha> Alright, I have no contact to him besides here, so he'll see this when he looks at the chat again.
#610 [09:08] <Sevencraft> hai
#611 [09:08] <Sevencraft> im bak
#612 [09:08] <Pacha> Look at all the help you got :D
#613 [09:09] <Sevencraft> yaaay :D its like christmas all over again lol
#614 [09:09] <Morrolan> Just without all the annoying paper around the gifts. ;)
#615 [09:09] <Sevencraft> and the tape
#616 [09:10] <Morrolan> Mhm.
#617 [09:10] <Sevencraft> not to mention the expense
#618 [09:10] <Morrolan> Though the lack of a tree & candles is kind of sad.
#619 [09:10] <Pacha> Did this seem to solve your problem?
#620 [09:10] <Sevencraft> everything was closed when running the server
#621 [09:11] <Sevencraft> so basically dont set a server-ip in server.properties?
#622 [09:11] <Pacha> Yes
#623 [09:11] <Sevencraft> I shall try that NAO...
#624 [09:11] <Pacha> Leave it blank
#625 [09:11] <Sevencraft> server is loading now
#626 [09:11] <Sevencraft> its online
#627 [09:12] <GreyVulpine> ;check Sevencraft
#628 [09:12] <WugBot> Unable to connect to address: cpc3-lich6-0-0-cust1008.3-2.cable.virginmedia.com:25565 (Timed out)
#629 [09:12] <GreyVulpine> Make sure your port forwarding is set up correctly.
#630 [09:12] <Sevencraft> it is, PFPPortChecker checks out ok
#631 [09:12] <Sevencraft> i did say i'd checked
#632 [09:12] * GreyVulpine doesn't trust any program that port forwards for you.
#632 [09:13] <Morrolan> Try http://www.canyouseeme.org/ to check.
#633 [09:13] <Pacha> Port forward yourself
#634 [09:13] <Sevencraft> tis open tis
#635 [09:13] <Sevencraft> [INFO] /8.23.224.110:46080 lost connection just popped up in server log?
#636 [09:14] <Sevencraft> huuuh is someone on my server?
#637 [09:14] <Morrolan> Someone tried to connect atleast.
#638 [09:14] <Morrolan> !check 82.16.51.241
#639 [09:15] <Pacha> Perhaps it was your friend trying to join?
#640 [09:15] <Sevencraft> the port is 57456
#641 [09:15] <Sevencraft> and nope, he's offline
#642 [09:15] <Morrolan> Oh. That'll explain it.
#643 [09:15] <Morrolan> !check 82.16.51.241:57456
#644 [09:15] <Sevencraft> HAHA
#645 [09:15] <Morrolan> Well then, seems to work. :)
#646 [09:15] <Sevencraft> YES
#647 [09:16] <Sevencraft> join it a second, and see if it works please, my moms pc doesnt seem to like intensive things (im ssh'd into a dedicated linux box for this thing)
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#649 [09:16] <Pacha> Alright
#650 [09:16] <Pacha> Give me a moment
#651 [09:16] <Sevencraft> thanks!
#652 [09:18] <Pacha> Connection timed out
#653 [09:18] <Pacha> :(
#654 [09:18] <Sevencraft> ohh :(
#655 [09:18] <GreyVulpine> Make sure you're connecting to the right port
#656 [09:18] <Sevencraft> you fell down a cliff when you spawned?
#657 [09:19] <Sevencraft> morrolan
#658 [09:19] <Sevencraft> who is that
#659 [09:19] <Morrolan> Mhm.
#660 [09:19] * Sevencraft bursts into laughter
#660 [09:19] <Sevencraft> well, that's random seed generation for you
#661 [09:20] <Pacha> OK, I connected.
#662 [09:20] <Pacha> It seems to be working.
#663 [09:20] <Sevencraft> niiice :-) thanks for your help, im gonna call my friend now and tell him to get off his xbox and get online :P
#664 [09:20] <Pacha> Your welcome :)
#665 [09:21] <Sevencraft> now all i need to do is get my comp up and going again, it keeps bluescreening 5-10 mins after booting no matter what i do
#666 [09:21] <Sevencraft> then i can play my own server, and bend the rules 8D
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#671 [10:00] <Sonic> Hello
#672 [10:01] <Sonic> I have a question about minecraft severs
#673 [10:01] <EyesIsMine> yes?
#674 [10:01] <Sonic> How do i join one? (the Sonic Retro one, specifically)
#675 [10:02] <Pacha> What's the IP and port?
#676 [10:03] <Sonic> What do you mean?
#677 [10:03] <Pacha> Um
#678 [10:03] <Pacha> hold on
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#680 [10:04] <Pacha> Are you talking about the server sonicretro.org is hosting?
#681 [10:05] <Sonic> Yes!
#682 [10:05] <Pacha> Ok I can't access the forum
#683 [10:05] <Pacha> Specifically the forum post where he gives the IP and Port
#684 [10:05] <Sonic> Ok. Let me check!
#685 [10:06] <Pacha> I'll try and head you in the correct direction. An IP will look along the lines of 00.00.00.000
#686 [10:06] <Pacha> Except it wont all be 0's
#687 [10:06] <Pacha> A port is a combination of 5 numbers
#688 [10:07] <[L]> Ip's usually consist of 1 - 3 numbers in a range of four.
#689 [10:07] <[L]> But none the less
#690 [10:07] <Sonic> Houston, We Have A Problem. I Can't Find It!
#691 [10:08] <Pacha> Go here http://www.sonicretro.org/2010/09/retro-game-servers-expanded/ and click the "Read the forum post" Button
#692 [10:08] <Pacha> Then look for it
#693 [10:09] <Sonic> got it.
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#695 [10:09] <Pacha> Alright
#696 [10:10] <Sonic> Gave me a stupid error message.
#697 [10:10] <Pacha> Same
#698 [10:11] <Pacha> Oh, I see why
#699 [10:11] <Pacha> It was posted in September 2010
#700 [10:11] <Pacha> I'll see if there's a later post
#701 [10:12] <Pacha> OK
#702 [10:12] <Pacha> I got the IP
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#704 [10:12] <Pacha> pebbleislands.dyndns.info
#705 [10:13] <Pacha> enter that into the direct connect menu and you should be good to go
#706 [10:14] <Sonic> where is the direct connect menu?
#707 [10:15] <Pacha> Open Minecraft title screen
#708 [10:15] <Pacha> press multiplayer
#709 [10:15] <Pacha> press direct connect
#710 [10:16] <Pacha> copy/paste
#711 [10:16] <Pacha> done
#712 [10:16] <Pacha> Ignore the PM I sent you
#713 [10:17] <Sonic> What Pm?
#714 [10:17] <Pacha> nvm
#715 [10:18] <Pacha> Did you find the direct connect screen?
#716 [10:18] <Sonic> Huh, Looks Like The Server Is Not Online Yet. I
#717 [10:18] <Sonic> I'll Try Later.
#718 [10:18] <Pacha> !check pebbleislands.dyndns.info
#719 [10:19] <Pacha> I guess it isn't online.
#720 [10:19] <Grim_Reaper> Everytime AuBot replies with that response. I get highlighted
#721 [10:19] <Grim_Reaper> How fun
#722 [10:19] <Pacha> lol
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#724 [10:19] <Sonic> Funny (Rolls eyes)
#725 [10:19] <Grim_Reaper> Oh it's a sonic
#726 [10:19] <Sonic> So Let Me Just Copy The Sever Info
#727 [10:20] <EyesIsMine> I Am A Idiot And I Talk Like This.
#728 [10:21] <Pacha> How about we dont act like assholes?
#729 [10:21] <Grim_Reaper> ^
#730 [10:21] <Grim_Reaper> I totally agree with Pacha there
#731 [10:21] <Sonic> Agreed!
#732 [10:21] <Sonic> Thanks for helping. Bye
#733 [10:21] <Pacha> Well, try connecting 30 minutes from now
#734 [10:22] <Boreeas> I agree though, capitlizing every word is not only annoying, but makes reading more difficult, too
#735 [10:22] <Grim_Reaper> Really? I Sometimes Like To Do It For The Hell Of It Boreeas :)
#736 [10:22] <Boreeas> ;kick Grim_Reaper My Point Still Stands :P
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#739 [10:22] <Grim_Reaper> Oh thats mean
#740 [10:22] <Pacha> Lol
#741 [10:22] <Boreeas> >:/
#742 [10:22] <Grim_Reaper> Very mean ;-;
#743 [10:23] <Grim_Reaper> So how are you Boreeas?
#744 [10:24] <Boreeas> Bored
#745 [10:24] <Boreeas> But fine otherwise :
#746 [10:24] <Boreeas> :P
#747 [10:24] <Grim_Reaper> Oh would you look at the time! It's supper time
#748 [10:24] <Grim_Reaper> ~afk :D
#749 [10:25] <Boreeas> It is only 4:30 PM o.O
#750 [10:25] <Pacha> It's 9:30 AM where I am
#751 [10:25] <Pacha> lol
#752 [10:27] <Boreeas> Mid West?
#753 [10:27] <Pacha> Yes
#754 [10:28] <Pacha> Why does it say my real name is purple?
#755 [10:29] <Pacha> -.-
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#760 [10:34] <|Kiichan|> Pacha: because you told whatever client youre using to put 'purple' as your name?
#761 [10:34] <Pacha> Actually, I left it blank.
#762 [10:34] <|Kiichan|> maybe its default?
#763 [10:34] <Pacha> I guess.
#764 [10:34] <EyesIsMine> du
#765 [10:34] <|Kiichan|> Ian.
#766 [10:34] <EyesIsMine> purple irc
#767 [10:35] <Pacha> I'm using Pidgin so that might explain it.
#768 [10:35] <Pacha> Considering their logo is a purple pidgeon.
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#770 [10:36] <Sonic> Hi
#771 [10:36] <Pacha> Hey, any luck with the server?
#772 [10:38] <Sonic> Nope. But Will Mods (The Sonic Craft One) Work Will On Multi?
#773 [10:39] <Pacha> Only if the host of the server has it installed, and the mod supports multiplayer, I believe.
#774 [10:39] <Sonic> Huh. Possibily Why It Won't Work....
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#776 [10:40] <Pacha> Maybe they're not hosting the server?
#777 [10:40] <Pacha> I'll try connecting
#778 [10:40] <Sonic> Ok.
#779 [10:40] <Pacha> No, it's not running right now.
#780 [10:41] <Pacha> I don't know who runs it, either.
#781 [10:41] <Pacha> Sorry :(
#782 [10:42] <Sonic> That's Ok! But I Have One Another Question, What's A World Seed?
#783 [10:43] <Pacha> A world generation code. For example, if the world seed was 34234234234, and you entered it in and started a world, anyone else who uses 34234234234 will see the same world. Except, they will not see you, anything you built, placed, or removed.
#784 [10:45] <Sonic> Thanks! One More Question, Can You Still Build Planes In Minecraft?
#785 [10:45] <Boreeas> Planes are not, and were never, in Minecraft
#786 [10:45] <Boreeas> You need a mod for that
#787 [10:45] <Pacha> But you can build a non-moving one ;)
#788 [10:45] <Boreeas> <.<
#789 [10:45] <Sonic> Can You Point To The Mod?
#790 [10:46] <Pacha> One moment please :D
#791 [10:46] <Boreeas> Nope, search the forums
#792 [10:46] <Sonic> Got It. Thanks!
#793 [10:47] <Pacha> OH
#794 [10:47] <Pacha> he left as soon as i found it
#795 [10:47] <Pacha> http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/182918-11smp-flans-mods-planes-ww2-guns-vehicles-playerapi-moods-mputils-teams/#Planes
#796 [10:47] <Pacha> Damn it...
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#799 [11:44] <mudpit> how do i cook i keep losing life
#800 [11:45] <Pacha> You can eat raw items too.
#801 [11:45] <Pacha> It just doesn't restore as much hunger.
#802 [11:46] <mudpit> how do you eat raw meat
#803 [11:49] <Pacha> hold down right mouse button
#804 [11:50] <mudpit> how do you start a fire
#805 [11:51] <Pacha> flint and steel
#806 [11:51] <mudpit> cheers
#807 [11:52] <Retrobian> Do any of you guys know where i can advtise my minecraft server ?
#808 [11:52] <Pacha> The MC Forums
#809 [11:52] <Retrobian> cheers
#810 [11:56] <Boreeas> ??> Retrobian smp/servers
#811 [11:56] <VoxelHead> Retrobian: (smp/servers) There currently is no master list of all SMP servers. Fan-made indexes include http://minestatus.net/ - http://www.mcserverlist.net/ - http://www.reddit.com/r/mcservers - http://minecraftservers.net/ - http://minecraft.dk/mcserverlist/
#812 [11:56] <VoxelHead> Retrobian: (smp/servers) You can also find a list at the MC forums at http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewforum.php?f=1025. Also, try the #smp channel.
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#832 [13:29] <KevDi> hey can anybody tell my why minecraft laggs if i hold down the button w,a,s,d?
#833 [13:29] <clarjon1> KevDi: map generation?
#834 [13:30] <KevDi> clarjon1 what did you mean?
#835 [13:30] <clarjon1> Wen you walk around, it'll generate new areas of the world
#836 [13:30] <KevDi> ok
#837 [13:31] <KevDi> but it laggs online in the beginning when i jump at the same time i can walk along but if i hold down the w key again it beginns to lagg again
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#846 [14:39] <Phantomash> Anyone know why i can't get skyblock to work for my mc server..? It keeps spawning me in the middle of the air with nothing around.. D: but single player it works..
#847 [14:47] <rev-lemon> Phantomash its because of the spawning area you just have to be lucky
#848 [14:49] <Phantomash> Well shouldnt it save the spawning point from the .rar? I mean it's correct in sp.. D:
#849 [14:49] <Phantomash> Or should i just find the coordinate from SP somehow.. tp there and set the spawn like that? D:
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#855 [15:22] <pace> Can somebody help me please???????????
#856 [15:22] <WugBot> pace: (ww) Help you with what? Please describe the problem in detail.
#857 [15:22] <pace> i need help with getting my server ip to work
#858 [15:23] <pace> for example
#859 [15:23] <pace> i have the server running but people cant connect to my ipchicken Ip adress
#860 [15:23] <zkxs> pace: did you set up port forwarding and your firewall?
#861 [15:24] <pace> yes i portforwarded
#862 [15:25] <pace> now firewall, what?
#863 [15:25] <pace> i had a server but had to hard reset so im clean atm...
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#865 [15:26] <zkxs> Even if your router is forwarding a port to you, Windows firewall drops incoming connections by default. Therefore, you must make an exception for Minecraft (port 25565).
#866 [15:26] <pace> okay so on my router firewall or computer?
#867 [15:26] <pace> computer correct?
#868 [15:26] <zkxs> Yes.
#869 [15:27] <pace> okay
#870 [15:27] <pace> i have windows 7 ult.
#871 [15:27] <pace> i dont see how to allow ports
#872 [15:27] <zkxs> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/Open-a-port-in-Windows-Firewall
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#874 [15:27] <pace> tyvm
#875 [15:29] <pace> okay can you see if you can connect please?
#876 [15:29] <pace> 71.178.203.232 is the ip.
#877 [15:31] <zkxs> ;check pace
#878 [15:31] <WugBot> Unable to connect to address: pool-71-178-203-232.washdc.fios.verizon.net:25565 (Timed out)
#879 [15:31] <zkxs> nope
#880 [15:31] <pace> what?
#881 [15:31] <pace> i allowed the ports
#882 [15:31] <pace> and pfwd
#883 [15:32] <zkxs> did you port forward to your local IP?
#884 [15:32] <pace> uhhh
#885 [15:32] <pace> i think so
#886 [15:32] <pace> i have verizon
#887 [15:32] <zkxs> The local IP is the one you get from ipconfig
#888 [15:32] <pace> okay 1 sec
#889 [15:33] <pace> ipv4?
#890 [15:33] <zkxs> yes
#891 [15:33] <pace> hmmm
#892 [15:33] <zkxs> it is probably 192.168.1.*
#893 [15:33] <pace> how do i change my computer name?
#894 [15:33] <pace> because i just noticed something
#895 [15:34] <zkxs> The computer name isn't important for hosting a minecraft server...
#896 [15:34] <zkxs> It is really only used in network listings
#897 [15:34] <pace> well i noticed on my portforward it was my pc but diff ip than ipconfig
#898 [15:35] <pace> heh well take 2!
#899 [15:35] <Pacha> Wtf
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#901 [15:35] <pace> check me again please
#902 [15:35] <zkxs> ;check pace
#903 [15:35] <WugBot> pool-71-178-203-232.washdc.fios.verizon.net:25565 seems to host a minecraft server: Jays Minecraft Server (1/20)
#904 [15:36] <zkxs> there you go
#905 [15:36] <pace> Yes!
#906 [15:36] <pace> muahahahah
#907 [15:36] <pace> vicctory izz mineeee
#908 [15:36] <pace> thanks
#909 [15:36] <Pacha> Is the ;check command something that not everyone on here can do?
#910 [15:36] <zkxs> Anyone can do it, I believe.
#911 [15:36] <zkxs> Your welcome.
#912 [15:36] <zkxs> Would you like me to explain the difference between local and external IPs?
#913 [15:37] <pace> to me?
#914 [15:37] <zkxs> Yeah
#915 [15:37] <zkxs> That is what you got confused about.
#916 [15:37] <pace> oh, no thanks, just didnt recognize my pc name it was called "newhost-2-***- something and i overlooked the ip because my regular name was there but wrong ip :P
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#918 [15:38] <pace> i had fwd 192.168.1.1 instead of .9
#919 [15:38] <zkxs> 192.168.1.1 is most likely your router's local IP
#920 [15:38] <zkxs> Forwarding it would do absolutely nothing
#921 [15:38] <zkxs> :P
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#923 [15:39] <Pacha> Damn iPod -_-
#924 [15:39] <pace> yep well bye
#925 [15:39] <Pacha> bye
#926 [15:39] <pace> time to go mc!
#927 [15:40] <zkxs> Why is your ipod in IRC?
#928 [15:40] <Pacha> For when I'm not in the room, doing something else.
#929 [15:41] <zkxs> oh, cool
#930 [15:41] <Pacha> :D
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#933 [15:43] <Talimere> Quick and probalby stupid question... If I install mods on my server, does everyone connected to it also have to install those mods locally?
#934 [15:43] <jan> hello all since a few weeks i'm having some troubles starting up minecraft
#935 [15:43] <jan> when i start it up i see the login screen
#936 [15:43] <jan> and then click 'login'
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#938 [15:43] <jan> then it starts to update but get's stuck at 6%
#939 [15:43] <jan> anyone aware of this issue ?
#940 [15:44] <jan> i tried to redownload the file and removing the .minecraft folder
#941 [15:44] <zkxs> jan, what antivirus do you use?
#942 [15:45] <jan> zkxs: avg
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#944 [15:45] <zkxs> Sometimes antivirus will block the downloading of minecraft files
#945 [15:47] <zkxs> I forget which component was the culprit. Perhaps linkscanner?
#946 [15:47] <zkxs> Open up AVG's control panel and try disabling linkscanner
#947 [15:48] <jan> hmm i temp. disabled the entire program
#948 [15:48] <jan> and that worked
#949 [15:48] <jan> :)
#950 [15:48] <zkxs> That works too.
#951 [15:49] <zkxs> You can add minecrafts path as an exception in AVG, that may fix the issue in the future
#952 [15:49] <jan> ok, i'll try that
#953 [15:50] <Morrolan> Smelly xales, highlighting me with a devoice. ;)
#954 [15:50] <Grim_Reaper> lol
#955 [15:50] <xales> ._.
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#957 [15:51] <Pacha> Pidgin won't show highlights if my name is mentioned.
#958 [15:51] <Pacha> Whatever
#959 [15:51] <Grim_Reaper> I only get highlighted if my name is said. Not if modes are changed
#960 [15:51] <Pacha> I guess it doesn't matter that much.
#961 [15:52] <Pacha> You get highlighted from AuBot too ;)
#962 [15:53] <Grim_Reaper> I dont :p
#963 [15:53] <Grim_Reaper> unless the bot talks or /me's
#964 [15:53] <Grim_Reaper> I dont get highlighted lol
#965 [15:53] <Pacha> !check 95.211.124.133
#966 [15:53] <Grim_Reaper> Yeah..
#967 [15:53] <Grim_Reaper> lol
#968 [15:54] <Pacha> I told you :D
#969 [15:54] <Grim_Reaper> Yeah cause the bot spoke ;-;
#970 [15:54] <Grim_Reaper> But if it's telling about modes being added/removed
#971 [15:54] <Grim_Reaper> Then it wont highlight me
#972 [15:54] <Pacha> Oh, well, that's what I meant.
#973 [15:54] <Grim_Reaper> :3
#974 [15:55] <Morrolan> My client doesn't highlight me either when a mode changes, but ZNC's highlight module does. :)
#975 [15:56] <Grim_Reaper> Ahh that explains it :p
#976 [15:56] <Morrolan> I assume I could tell it not to highlight me when I get voiced or similar, but that'd require me diving heads first into RegEx.
#977 [15:57] <Morrolan> Not worth the effort. *shrug*
#978 [15:57] <Grim_Reaper> Though I dont see you on freebnc. So you must be using another
#979 [15:57] <Morrolan> Linux shell.
#980 [15:57] <Morrolan> Not a free bouncer.
#981 [15:57] <Grim_Reaper> :o
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#984 [16:00] <kyebro> !commands
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#986 [16:01] <kyebro> want the sdk guns mod
#987 [16:01] <kyebro> want the sdk guns mod
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#989 [16:01] <kyebro> want the sdk guns mod
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#992 [16:07] <Morrolan> kyebro - THen you're in the wrong place, for assistance with that mod ask in its forum thread or, if there is one, its IRC channel.
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#994 [16:12] <Morrolan> Oh, kyebro, amsgs aren't something you should use btw.
#995 [16:13] <Grim_Reaper> amessages?
#996 [16:13] <xales> Whoops, forgot that.
#997 [16:13] <Morrolan> Messages which go to every channel you're in, Grim_Reaper.
#998 [16:14] <Grim_Reaper> Ahh thats right
#999 [16:14] <Grim_Reaper> :3
#1000 [16:14] <Morrolan> What is it with that channel actually, xales?
#1001 [16:14] <xales> I don't know.
#1002 [16:14] <xales> I've been there before
#1003 [16:14] <Morrolan> Apart from memories of a stupid user who was in there. *shrug*
#1004 [16:14] <xales> It seems like a trolls nest.
#1005 [16:14] <Morrolan> Ah.
#1006 [16:14] <Morrolan> Ah.
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#1011 [16:26] <Nosception> Is anyone available to help me out, regarding the latest 1.1 patch?
#1012 [16:26] <Pacha-iPod> Yes.
#1013 [16:27] <Nosception> Great, I just installed last night the latest Dokku texture pack, and ran the hd patch. .
#1014 [16:27] <Nosception> And this morning i'm crashing upon loading everytime. .
#1015 [16:27] <Nosception> I've uninstalled and everything.. Ran regfix's updated java yadda yadda. .
#1016 [16:27] <Nosception> No fix yet. .
#1017 [16:28] <Pacha-iPod> Hm, is dokucraft 32x32?
#1018 [16:28] <Nosception> I dont remember. .
#1019 [16:29] <Pacha-iPod> Did you run other patches besides the hd patch on mcpatcher?
#1020 [16:29] <Nosception> Other than forcing an update, no.
#1021 [16:30] <Nosception> Im fairly new to minecraft, and it's mods so. .It's probably somthign i messed up.
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#1023 [16:32] <Pacha-iPod> Check your .minecraft folder. Sometimes there are duplicate minecraft.jars and can screw up texture packs
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#1025 [16:32] <Pacha-iPod> And mods.
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#1027 [16:34] <xales> ;_;
#1028 [16:34] <Nosception> I think i had a duplicate file. .
#1029 [16:34] <Pacha> Is it working now?
#1030 [16:34] <Nosception> unfortunately not.
#1031 [16:35] <Nosception> BEGIN ERROR REPORT a1dce528
#1032 [16:35] <Nosception> Same error.
#1033 [16:35] <Pacha> xales: Can you help him? I'm not much use with texture pack issues :(
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#1035 [16:36] <xales> Nosception: Do a force update.
#1036 [16:36] <Pacha> I think he tried that already.
#1037 [16:37] <Nosception> Yep. . I errord. again.
#1038 [16:38] <Nosception> I don't know what the issue could be, I ran a regfix, checked my drivers, javas up to date. .
#1039 [16:38] <Nosception> I don't know what the issue could be, I ran a regfix, checked my drivers, javas up to date. .
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#1041 [16:39] <Nosception> I know i applied an hd patch last night, which worked fine.
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#1043 [16:39] <Pacha> The texture pack's .zip is in the texturepack folder, correct? That may sound dumb but I've forgotten to, several times...
#1044 [16:39] <Nosception> Well, I dont have it anymore. .
#1045 [16:39] <Pacha> Oh, you deleted it?
#1046 [16:39] <Nosception> I still have the patcher, but i completely deleted minecraft folder.
#1047 [16:39] <Nosception> Yes.
#1048 [16:39] <Nosception> I had no mods either. . Just the texture pack.
#1049 [16:40] <Pacha> Oh my god, I hate texture packs >.<
#1050 [16:40] <Nosception> Im scared to ever use them again.
#1051 [16:40] <Nosception> xD
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#1053 [16:41] <akinyourface> I started a minecraft server today, and im having problems setting up the permissions, can someone please help?
#1054 [16:41] <Morrolan> Ask in the forum thread / channel of your permissions plugin. :)
#1055 [16:41] <Morrolan> Ask in the forum thread / channel of your permissions plugin. :)
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#1058 [16:42] <Pacha> Nosception: You could try matching your installation steps with this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgmAZUw4cfE
#1059 [16:43] <Nosception> I could use that later on, but minecraft vanilla wont even start for me.
#1060 [16:44] <Pacha> I don't think a texture pack can completely corrupt minecraft
#1061 [16:44] <Pacha> It has to be something else.
#1062 [16:45] <Nosception> I think it was the patcher.
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#1064 [16:45] <Pacha> Yes. But a force update would stop it.
#1065 [16:45] <Nosception> I could record what's happening. . but it's just giving me errors everytime. .
#1066 [16:46] <Nosception> I've had isses before with mods, but I could just simply uninstall and it'd work again.
#1067 [16:47] <Pacha> I don't think mods are completely removed when you force an update anyways.
#1068 [16:48] <Pacha> If you have a minecraftforum.net account you could try posting your problem there and see if anyone can help you there
#1069 [16:49] <Pacha> I'm sorry I haven't been much help to you :(
#1070 [16:49] <Nosception> It's alright, thanks for the help though. .Im trying a few different things right now. If they dont work ill move along.
#1071 [16:50] <Pacha> Be sure to try the forums if you still can't get help ;)
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#1073 [16:56] <drpenguin> Hello everyone! I just downloaded the minecraft jar from minecraft.net, when I play it on my Linux box (Arch and CrunchBang), I get flickering when I do things like punch blocks, or move my camera around. Worse yet, this flickering happens in my OS too, not just in the game. my machine is a brand new Asus U46E, integrated intel sandybridge gpu that goes with the i7-2620M. Ive seen this bug in arch linux, but no one is taking care
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#1075 [17:00] <Nosception> Im not an expert on linux, but isn't wine made for running windows programs?
#1076 [17:01] <drpenguin> Nosception: well.. yeah, but using the jar on linux would be better than using wine
#1077 [17:02] <drpenguin> It isnt the jar.. because I can use this on the Windows OS on my same laptop and its fine
#1078 [17:02] <Nosception> I cant even run mine right now. . and I'm on win7
#1079 [17:03] <Nosception> Texture packs screwed my over. Lo.
#1080 [17:03] <Nosception> *Lol.
#1081 [17:03] <drpenguin> ohnoez
#1082 [17:04] <mickster04> drpenguin: update all drivers?
#1083 [17:05] <drpenguin> mickster04: I should be up to date.. I just installed the OS im running (crunch bang) hours ago
#1084 [17:05] <mickster04> drpenguin: i dunno what crunchbang uses for package management, but check it
#1085 [17:05] <mickster04> also update monitor settings to the correct refresh rate
#1086 [17:06] <drpenguin> up to date
#1087 [17:06] <drpenguin> mickster04: I wonder if thats the problem..
#1088 [17:06] <drpenguin> when I run glxgears, my system is setup to vsync
#1089 [17:06] <mickster04> ok
#1090 [17:06] <mickster04> and can you access java settings?
#1091 [17:06] <drpenguin> I... would imagine so? where are these "java" setings
#1092 [17:07] <mickster04> drpenguin: like i said, i don't use crunh bang, so no idea, but if you have some kind of menu system, it should be under 'other' 'settings' or perhaps 'system'
#1093 [17:07] <mickster04> crunch bang*
#1094 [17:08] <drpenguin> well Im not so confused about that, but I am a java programmer and I have never seen java settings on linux
#1095 [17:08] <mickster04> yeah
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#1097 [17:08] <Boreeas> drpenguin: Some weird issues with LWJGL maybe?
#1098 [17:08] <mickster04> on ubuntu you could just type in java into the search box of all things p
#1099 [17:09] <drpenguin> Boreeas: well tahts possible.. minecraft's main thread crashes when I close the game out.. but when I use env LIBWGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1, it doesnt crash when I turn it off
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#1102 [17:09] <Boreeas> mickster04: I'm not sure what settings you are talking about
#1103 [17:10] <mickster04> Boreeas: well there are usually settings for lots of things, i meant JRE settings over JDK
#1104 [17:10] <drpenguin> so your refering to stuff like classpath then
#1105 [17:10] <Boreeas> Probably is
#1106 [17:11] <mickster04> possibly
#1107 [17:11] <drpenguin> well, tbh I doubt the java settings are the problem here
#1108 [17:11] <Boreeas> mickster04: That shouldn't change anything, and in most cases you are better off not touching the classpath
#1109 [17:11] <drpenguin> I had an older Asus laptop, i5 first gen core, with default java settings and minecraft was fine
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#1111 [17:12] <mickster04> it sounds like graphical settings, but i dunno
#1112 [17:12] <mickster04> does the web version work?
#1113 [17:12] <drpenguin> I actually didnt try the web version.. thats a grand idea, uno momento!
#1114 [17:12] <Boreeas> drpenguin: To be honest, I have no idea what is causing it - sounds like an issue with screen refresh rate, but afaik, minecraft doesn't change these
#1115 [17:12] <anadrom> ugh the password reset on mojang is broken
#1116 [17:13] <anadrom> i notified them days ago
#1117 [17:13] <anadrom> and no response
#1118 [17:13] <anadrom> i am unable to login to minecraft for days now
#1119 [17:13] <Boreeas> Of course not, anadrom, what did you expect <.<
#1120 [17:13] <drpenguin> yup, same flickering in the browser
#1121 [17:13] <drpenguin> and, like I said, I can see the effects outside of the OS too.. liek as I am typing this, text is going weird
#1122 [17:13] <drpenguin> its almost like double buffering isnt functioning right
#1123 [17:14] <Boreeas> Funny
#1124 [17:14] <anadrom> so... how do you recover your password? this sucks
#1125 [17:14] <Boreeas> anadrom: To be honest, I have no idea - why can't really help with accounts here
#1126 [17:14] <Boreeas> s/why/we/
#1127 [17:14] <drpenguin> Still happens if I disavble my compositing manager though.. ><
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#1129 [17:16] <Boreeas> Also, double buffering issues should be confined to minecraft, no?
#1130 [17:16] <drpenguin> These issues should be confined to minecraft in general because its running in a sandboxed VM, however they are spilling over into the OS
#1131 [17:16] <Boreeas> yeah
#1132 [17:17] <drpenguin> I wonder.. let me disable kms.. see if that does anything
#1133 [17:17] <Boreeas> kms?
#1134 [17:18] <drpenguin> kernel mode setting
#1135 [17:18] <drpenguin> it allows the kernel to set things like depth and resolution instead of relying on X
#1136 [17:19] <drpenguin> let me go do that.. brbeibers
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#1145 [17:53] <ShoxXR> Hey Guys my Account got hacked how can I get it back?
#1146 [17:54] <|Kiichan|> ShoxXR: http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/361483
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#1148 [17:57] <ShoxXR> Okay got It back anyway I got the Email very late, but where can i download the latest client? :)
#1149 [17:57] <ShoxXR> And thanks for the fast answer sofar :)
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#1151 [17:58] <|Kiichan|> either http://www.minecraft.net/download or one of the links aubot is about to say
#1152 [17:58] <|Kiichan|> !client
#1153 [17:59] <ShoxXR> Thank you very much Guys ! :)
#1154 [17:59] <|Kiichan|> no prob :3
#1155 [17:59] <ShoxXR> Now im going to start my Digimon project from new :D
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#1160 [18:04] <smerft> can someone help me
#1161 [18:04] <WugBot> smerft: (ww) Help you with what? Please describe the problem in detail.
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#1164 [18:06] <smerft> umm well everytime i try and connect to my friends server it says logging in and then it gets stuck on downloading terrain then it says connection timed out
#1165 [18:07] <|Kiichan|> smerft: what antivirus and firewall do you use?
#1166 [18:07] <smerft> ???
#1167 [18:08] <smerft> avast i think and it does the same for him when he trys to connect to his server
#1168 [18:09] <|Kiichan|> ok.. when he connects, does he use his external ip or localhost?
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#1171 [18:17] <mib_35lpc7> hello?
#1172 [18:17] <zkxs> Hello.
#1173 [18:18] <mib_35lpc7> I need some help :)
#1174 [18:18] <zkxs> With what?
#1175 [18:18] <mib_35lpc7> ??
#1176 [18:18] <mib_35lpc7> I cant remember the email attatched to my account
#1177 [18:19] <mickster04> mib_35lpc7: well gmail or other?
#1178 [18:19] <mib_35lpc7> Not sure, i know the account name though
#1179 [18:19] <mib_35lpc7> I have lots of gmails and hotmails
#1180 [18:19] <mickster04> mib_35lpc7: well how many email addresses do you have?
#1181 [18:19] <zkxs> You could check all of the emails.
#1182 [18:19] <mib_35lpc7> ive tried all of them
#1183 [18:19] <mib_35lpc7> sent conformation multiple times
#1184 [18:19] <mib_35lpc7> must be one i cant remember
#1185 [18:20] * zkxs facepalms
#1185 [18:20] <mickster04> why so many email addresses?
#1186 [18:20] <mib_35lpc7> for different purposes
#1187 [18:20] <mib_35lpc7> thats not the problem though :)
#1188 [18:20] <mickster04> mib_35lpc7: have you heard of labels?
#1189 [18:20] <mib_35lpc7> no?
#1190 [18:20] <mickster04> well yes it is a problem
#1191 [18:20] <mib_35lpc7> well can you help me :)
#1192 [18:20] <mickster04> in gmail you can set up labevls to automatically attach to differen emails
#1193 [18:21] <mickster04> so i have email+minecraft@gmail.com
#1194 [18:21] <mickster04> and so on and so forth for everything i sign up to
#1195 [18:21] <mickster04> email@mastercard , or ebay etc
#1196 [18:21] <mickster04> email+mastercard*
#1197 [18:21] <mickster04> but yeah
#1198 [18:21] <mickster04> do that with gmail
#1199 [18:21] <mickster04> use less emails
#1200 [18:21] <zkxs> mib_35lpc7: http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/329530-my-email-account-has-changed-
#1201 [18:22] <mickster04> mib_35lpc7: also use filters with labels to automatically sort your emails into different 'folders'
#1202 [18:22] <zkxs> mickster04: The only problem with that is many websites interpret a '+' as an invalid character in an email address.
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#1207 [18:31] <drpenguin> hey im back.. I just installed a boatload of sid packages into my crunchbang install, now I am getting a different problem.. Minecraft wont load.. I get 2 exceptions: the first one is minecraft isnt able to create a drawable context, then the second one is lwjgl cant make another context
#1208 [18:34] <|Kiichan|> make sure you haver sunjava... and that you have the proper video drivers.... otherwise im not sure of linux
#1209 [18:34] <drpenguin> happens with suns jdk6 and open jdk 7
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#1211 [18:34] <|Kiichan|> tried a forceupdate?
#1212 [18:35] <drpenguin> the only thing I can think of at the moment is that theres something in sid that is too new for the lwjgl that is supplied with minecraft
#1213 [18:35] <|Kiichan|> you could always update lwjgl. :P
#1214 [18:35] <|Kiichan|> :lwjgl
#1215 [18:35] <drpenguin> could you tell me how to do that please?
#1216 [18:35] <|Kiichan|> ;search lwjgl
#1217 [18:35] <WugBot> Matches for "lwjgl": lwjgl/update
#1218 [18:35] <|Kiichan|> :lwjgl/update
#1219 [18:35] <WugBot> lwjgl/update: Some versions of linux may not work out of the box with the lwjgl libraries included with minecraft. You may need to update the lwjgl libraries to make minecraft run.
#1220 [18:35] <WugBot> lwjgl/update: Download lwjgl (version 2.8.3) from the following link and replace the files in .../bin and .../bin/natives with the identical entries from the zip file. LWJGL download: http://lwjgl.org/download.php
#1221 [18:36] <drpenguin> thanks sir
#1222 [18:36] <|Kiichan|> :3
#1223 [18:37] <Pacha> I have never seen a question go unanswered on here.
#1224 [18:37] <|Kiichan|> we help where we can :3
#1225 [18:37] <Pacha> Same :D
#1226 [18:37] <drpenguin> thats definitely welcoming and appreciated
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#1229 [18:44] <drpenguin> nope.. updating to 2.8.4 doesnt work, different errors but still errors
#1230 [18:44] <drpenguin> oh well.. I just wont play minecraft on linux
#1231 [18:44] <drpenguin> thanks anyway ^^
#1232 [18:45] <|Kiichan|> woudl have liked to actually see the errors ^^; if i didnt notice anythiong then one of the other guys might have :P
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#1235 [18:59] <Lakis> My Linux Computer with about 1.2 gb of Ram and Ancient Graphic card crashes when minecraft is played unless its 1.7.3 any advice?
#1236 [19:00] <|Kiichan|> the fact youre saying ancient graphics card makes me think the card doesnt support the new opengl calls added with 1.8
#1237 [19:00] <|Kiichan|> or you can just quit.
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#1239 [19:13] <mickster04> zkxs: yes, then i use my hotmail account :)
#1240 [19:13] <zkxs> pfft
#1241 [19:14] <zkxs> i use my other gmail account
#1242 [19:14] <Cryophile> people still have hotmail accounts?
#1243 [19:14] <|Kiichan|> sadly yes.
#1244 [19:14] <mickster04> yeah, spam email
#1245 [19:14] <zkxs> they are now know as 'live'
#1246 [19:14] <shrekster> I am trying to make a mob trap and get their stuff. I don't know what I'm doing wrong. My place is dark, I am more than 30 blocks away from them... I have a collection system using water to get their stuff.
#1247 [19:15] <shrekster> But the mob will not spawn in the place i created.
#1248 [19:15] <Cryophile> shrekster: 30 blocks... horizontally?
#1249 [19:15] <zkxs> what is the floor made of?
#1250 [19:15] <|Kiichan|> shrekster: you lit up EVERYWHERE else the can spawn in a 15x15 chunk area?
#1251 [19:15] <|Kiichan|> shrekster: you lit up EVERYWHERE else the can spawn in a 15x15 chunk area?
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#1253 [19:15] <shrekster> 30 blocks vertically and horizontaly...
#1254 [19:16] <shrekster> The floor is made of cobblestone.
#1255 [19:16] <|Kiichan|> vertical space doesnt matter. unless theres multiple floors in that 30
#1256 [19:16] <shrekster> multiple floors? what do you mean by that?
#1257 [19:17] <|Kiichan|> multiple layers of spawning pads.
#1258 [19:17] <shrekster> well, sorta....
#1259 [19:17] <zkxs> and the floor isn't covered in water or anything?
#1260 [19:18] <shrekster> not totally covered in water. The floor is split in 4 sections via the water
#1261 [19:18] <shrekster> the 4 sections are approximately 8x8 on one floor.
#1262 [19:19] <|Kiichan|> a mob spawning system relies on giving a place for mobs to spawn, and limiting locations outside that area where they can spawn
#1263 [19:19] <shrekster> but the latest one is way in the air... it is about 35 blocks up... and I made a platofrm that is about 8 x 8 but has a 4x4 hole in the middle for them to fall down and die and be carried away.
#1264 [19:20] <shrekster> All outside areas are lit...
#1265 [19:20] <|Kiichan|> so creating a giant room is only half the equation. next step is to light up all tunnels and the surface.
#1266 [19:20] <shrekster> hmmm.... except the top of the tallest spot.
#1267 [19:21] <shrekster> how far do i need to light up all the lights and tunnels? within a 30x30 range??
#1268 [19:21] <|Kiichan|> mobs can spawn anywhere in a 15x15 chunk area (with the chunk the player is in being the middle)
#1269 [19:22] <shrekster> for a mob to spawn, don't i have to stay away?
#1270 [19:23] <|Kiichan|> if youre too far away, they wont move
#1271 [19:23] <shrekster> i read that i have to be 30 squares away but no more than 200.
#1272 [19:24] <|Kiichan|> they will spawn in a 240x240 block range
#1273 [19:24] <|Kiichan|> but they wont move unles youre within a certain distance....
#1274 [19:24] <shrekster> but they will not spawn in my trap if i am less than 30 blocks away?
#1275 [19:24] <|Kiichan|> still not 100% sure what that distance is... but its something like 40-60
#1276 [19:25] <|Kiichan|> its 24 i think actually
#1277 [19:25] <shrekster> okay... thanks... I will try lighting up more hallways and the top of my latest contraption.
#1278 [19:25] <shrekster> maybe they are spawning on the top. it's pretty dark up there.
#1279 [19:25] <|Kiichan|> this a creative world or mcedit world?
#1280 [19:26] <shrekster> Ummm... not in creative.
#1281 [19:26] <|Kiichan|> i mean flatlands.
#1282 [19:26] <shrekster> I do NOT have unlimited supplies
#1283 [19:26] <shrekster> I am not on the flatlands.
#1284 [19:27] <Cryophile> I don't think they can spawn on the same chunk as you
#1285 [19:27] <|Kiichan|> they dont spawn within 20something of you.
#1286 [19:27] <|Kiichan|> they can quickly despawn outside of... 32?
#1287 [19:28] <|Kiichan|> and the stop moving outside of 40something
#1288 [19:28] <shrekster> okay... so i have been staying like 30 blocks or more away, and they are not spawning.
#1289 [19:28] <|Kiichan|> no movement = near instant despawn
#1290 [19:28] <Cryophile> I mean vertical distance shouldn't matter
#1291 [19:28] <Cryophile> 50 blocks below you is still the same chunk
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#1293 [19:28] <dragon40226> Hey can someone help me via teamviewer setup redpower mod?
#1294 [19:29] <|Kiichan|> ??> dragon40226 mods
#1295 [19:29] <VoxelHead> dragon40226: (mods) This channel is not a venue for mod support, or support for modded servers
#1296 [19:29] <VoxelHead> dragon40226: (mods) as it is impossible for anybody to know every combination of mods out there, this channel does not assist with unofficial third-party modded content.;;For single player mods, contact the mod's creator or try http://tiny.cc/modinstall for general installation instructions. For bukkit help, use #bukkit; you can also try using Google to search for a mod's installation instructions.
#1297 [19:29] * |Kiichan| blinks...
#1297 [19:29] <|Kiichan|> DopeGhoti: ^^^
#1298 [19:30] <dragon40226> i have tried it like literally 20 times
#1299 [19:30] <dragon40226> always crashes
#1300 [19:30] <dragon40226> like 8 hours of doing it
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#1302 [19:30] <dragon40226> not even kidding
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#1304 [19:31] <zkxs> Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
#1305 [19:31] <dragon40226> nope
#1306 [19:31] <dragon40226> doing it differently
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#1310 [19:32] <|Kiikun|> o.o;
#1311 [19:32] <|Kiikun|> did i get eaten by a netsplit?
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#1321 [19:33] <zkxs> oh man
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#1325 [19:33] <|Kiikun|> ... netsplit i take it then
#1326 [19:34] <mickster04> i didn't even spot that
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#1343 [19:51] <david62650> i cant connect to my internal ip but my exturnal is being blocked why
#1344 [19:52] <|Kiikun|> david62650: you mean you CAN connect to internal?
#1345 [19:52] <|Kiikun|> !check 66.51.177.33
#1346 [19:54] <|Kiikun|> david62650: i asume youre setting up a server. you need to set up port forwarding to allow connections from the internet into a sepecific computer on your home network.
#1347 [19:54] <|Kiikun|> david62650: Goto http://goo.gl/DsVIL and click on your router model, skip the PFConfig Ad, and follow the instructions to set up port forwarding! :D
#1348 [19:54] <david62650> yes but my exturnal is blocked and i dont know why, my ports or forwarded and all that but still not going out
#1349 [19:55] <david62650> !check 66.51.177.33:25565
#1350 [19:56] <david62650> i alwready port forwarded
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#1352 [19:56] <mib_xq4lum> need help with my friend not being able to connect to my hamachi server
#1353 [19:57] <mib_xq4lum> any takers?
#1354 [19:59] <|Kiikun|> ??> mib_xq4lum fubar/hamachi
#1355 [19:59] <VoxelHead> mib_xq4lum: (fubar/hamachi) Hamachi has been squatting on a previously unallocated IP address space. This block of addresses, 5.0.0.0/8, has been allocated by IANA. As such, Hamachi conflicts with the internet. As such, #MineCraftHelp will neither support nor assist with server network issues for hosts using Hamachi for connectivity.
#1356 [19:59] <VoxelHead> mib_xq4lum: (fubar/hamachi) If you are using Hamachi, use a different solution such as proper port forwarding, or a VPN.
#1357 [19:59] <|Kiikun|> david62650: are you sure youve forwarded to the correct internal ip? it could also be your firewall blocking the incomming connection
#1358 [20:00] <mib_xq4lum> ive tried everything. how can i change to port forwarding with the same server?
#1359 [20:00] <|Kiikun|> mib_xq4lum: Goto http://goo.gl/DsVIL and click on your router model, skip the PFConfig Ad, and follow the instructions to set up port forwarding! :D
#1360 [20:00] * |Kiikun| likes his /pf alias :P
#1360 [20:01] <david62650> i have tcp to 192.168.1.*** to 25565 and udp to 192.168.1.***
#1361 [20:01] <david62650> to 25565
#1362 [20:01] <clarjon1> david62650: you don'tneed to hide your LAN ip
#1363 [20:02] <|Kiikun|> david62650: if you can connect to the server using the same ip you are pointlessly censoring they its the right ip.
#1364 [20:02] <david62650> what do i need to do then?
#1365 [20:02] <|Kiikun|> its probably firewall then.
#1366 [20:02] <david62650> on my router cuz not two days ago it worked fine
#1367 [20:04] <|Kiikun|> it would be the firewall on the computer running the server.
#1368 [20:04] <david62650> fire wall is off on router and computer and still not getting out
#1369 [20:05] <|Kiikun|> easiest way to test is to just temporarily disable the firewall and try connecting. if it works you can configure exceptions in the firewall
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#1373 [20:23] <pico> is there a way to get a working monsterspawner in smp without any mods? or just with mcedit or something like that?
#1374 [20:24] <GreyVulpine> MCedit wil give you working spawners
#1375 [20:24] <davidortiz> Does the store block prepaid debit cards? I keep getting a "declined" error, but have been making purchased elsewhere fine.
#1376 [20:24] <davidortiz> purchases*
#1377 [20:24] <GreyVulpine> ?? prepaid
#1378 [20:24] <VoxelHead> prepaid: Prepaid or gift credit cards will generally not work for purchasing Minecraft, because their fraud prevention klobbers international transactions.
#1379 [20:25] <davidortiz> Got it. Dang, doesn't work through Paypal either. I'll have to find another way.
#1380 [20:25] <davidortiz> Thanks :)
#1381 [20:25] <davidortiz> Thanks :)
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#1384 [20:34] <|Kiikun|> pico: risugami's spawner gui mod might work...
#1385 [20:36] <pico> thx GreyVulpine
#1386 [20:38] <|Kiikun|> .,..... rofl.... http://i.imgur.com/2brj8.png
#1387 [20:39] <GreyVulpine> good god, the shrooms.
#1388 [20:40] <Eddie> What am I looking at?
#1389 [20:40] <Eddie> Huh I don't have voice anymore?
#1390 [20:40] <Eddie> Huh I don't have voice anymore?
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#1394 [20:42] <|Kiikun|> Eddie: its risugami's biosphere world-gen mod that someone messed with the settings... so instead of glass it made shrooms
#1395 [20:43] <Eddie> Aren't they supposed to fall down?
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#1397 [20:44] <|Kiikun|> they were placed by the world generator so probably never got a blockupdate
#1398 [20:44] <|Kiikun|> same thing as with floating sand
#1399 [20:44] <Eddie> I see.
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#1403 [21:15] <Samfromjupiter> I have a server running debian, and even though the game is running it never shows up as connected in the mp screen, however, if I click join it says it connects and starts logging on but then fails with a fatal java error. Any ideas?
#1404 [21:17] <Samfromjupiter> Sorry, not fatal error, internal exception
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#1406 [21:34] <Wug> Samfromjupiter: can you pastebin the error message
#1407 [21:34] <Wug> :pastebin
#1408 [21:34] <WugBot> pastebin: Please use pastebin to share error logs or long messages, do not flood the channel. http://pastebin.com Paste your text into the box, click 'Submit' and give us the link from the address bar.
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#1410 [21:38] <p0wah> Hello im having a "Account is not premium" problem and i would like to call the support line. Does anybody know the number? Thanks
#1411 [21:39] <|Kiikun|> there is no number.
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#1413 [21:39] <|Kiikun|> http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/329541-i-was-premium-now-i-m-not-
#1414 [21:40] <p0wah> yeah ive contacted them like a week ago no reply still =/
#1415 [21:41] <|Kiikun|> only thing i can say is contact them again via http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/emails/new
#1416 [21:41] <|Kiikun|> and make sure you have your transaction id or gift code.
#1417 [21:42] <p0wah> yeah the thing is... i dont have my transaction id i must have deleted the email by accident a while ago =/ but i can give them all the details i used to buy it with
#1418 [21:43] <|Kiikun|> i THINK the only things they see from the payment processor are the name of the payee (as in the name on the card) and the transaction id.
#1419 [21:44] <p0wah> so im screwed then?
#1420 [21:44] <|Kiikun|> just contact them again.
#1421 [21:45] <p0wah> ok thanks
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#1425 [22:07] <|Kiikun|> holy nutcracker!
#1426 [22:07] <Pacha-iPod> What just happened?!
#1427 [22:08] <GreyVulpine> netsplit
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#1458 [22:08] <Pacha-iPod> Jeez... I've never seen that happen before.
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#1460 [22:09] <GreyVulpine> Haven't been IRCing that long, have you?
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#1463 [22:09] <Pacha-iPod> Not in esper.
#1464 [22:09] <Pacha-iPod> I've been on irc.centralchat.net
#1465 [22:09] <GreyVulpine> It happens in pretty much all IRC networks.
#1466 [22:09] <MineSwag> New server started join IP: MineSwag.hopto.com see you there!
#1467 [22:09] <|Kiikun|> unless said 'irc network' consists of only one server :P
#1468 [22:10] <MineSwag> .org
#1469 [22:10] <MineSwag> do .org
#1470 [22:10] <GreyVulpine> MineSwag - Don't advertise here, use #smp
#1471 [22:10] * WugBot kicked MineSwag from #minecrafthelp (Reason: ineSwag :Kicked by |Kiikun|) (Rules: http://is.gd/zB1w9I) (spam)
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#1474 [22:12] <Wug> single server networks dont split much
#1475 [22:12] <Wug> idk how large centralchat's network is
#1476 [22:12] <Wug> esper has ... somewhere between 4 and 8 servers
#1477 [22:12] * Wug shiftyeyes
#1477 [22:13] <Wug> occasionally one derps for some reason
#1478 [22:13] <|Kiikun|> centralchat has 2 servers.
#1479 [22:13] <GreyVulpine> Or when Wug forgets he left his botnet in here
#1480 [22:13] <|Kiikun|> lol
#1481 [22:13] <Wug> that was an army of proxies, not a botnet
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#1483 [22:14] <Wug> and I would not bring it here without permission first
#1484 [22:14] <Wug> speaking of which xales: are you alive
#1485 [22:14] <|Kiikun|> ah, the good old days of irc-war :P
#1486 [22:14] <Pacha-iPod> I was talking to xales earlier today...
#1487 [22:16] <Scott> what?
#1488 [22:16] <Scott> He can't talk...
#1489 [22:16] <Scott> I never taught him to speak :/
#1490 [22:16] <Pacha-iPod> :P
#1491 [22:17] <Eddie> HEY
#1492 [22:17] * Eddie covers Scott with a towel
#1492 [22:17] <Eddie> Oh he left already.
#1493 [22:17] <Eddie> Or not
#1494 [22:17] <Eddie> Or yes.
#1495 [22:19] <Pacha-iPod> Uh.
#1496 [22:19] * |Kiikun| facepalms
#1496 [22:19] <Pacha-iPod> Alright then...
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#1500 [22:31] <Lordtac> evening guys
#1501 [22:32] <Lordtac> so I'm still having trouble, any more idea's?
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#1507 [23:35] <corinanth> i am having an isue with input parsing
#1508 [23:35] <|Kiikun|> buh...?
#1509 [23:35] <corinanth> sometimes the game will place two blocks on a right click instead of just one
#1510 [23:35] <|Kiikun|> creative mode?
#1511 [23:35] <corinanth> any mode
#1512 [23:36] <corinanth> the game will jerk for a fraction of a second and than it will act as tho i rightclicked twice
#1513 [23:36] <corinanth> when i only pressed the button once
#1514 [23:37] <|Kiikun|> that jerk is the game lagging.... what os?
#1515 [23:37] <corinanth> also sometimes the camera flails around too
#1516 [23:37] <corinanth> for no reason
#1517 [23:37] <corinanth> window 7
#1518 [23:37] <corinanth> honestly i killed every service and program that i not absolutly essential for the os to run normally and have network conectivity
#1519 [23:38] <corinanth> javaw has additional memory allocated as well as a higher priority
#1520 [23:38] <corinanth> and it keep randomly registering inputs multiple times
#1521 [23:39] <|Kiikun|> what kind of video card is it? coudl be the video lagging causing java to lag
#1522 [23:40] <Wug> corinanth: its a known issue
#1523 [23:40] <Wug> im pretty sure that holding down the mouse button will cause blocks to place until you let go
#1524 [23:40] * GreyVulpine nods
#1524 [23:41] <Wug> and if you have issues with low framerates, the computer will sometimes place 2 blocks
#1525 [23:41] <Wug> over one frame
#1526 [23:41] <Wug> happens to me all the time on my laptop
#1527 [23:41] <|Kiikun|> its why i dont play on my laptop :P
#1528 [23:41] <corinanth> the framerate doesent seem all that bad movement of the character is relativly smooth
#1529 [23:41] <GreyVulpine> Also seen this behavior with programs like Synergy and other KVM programs
#1530 [23:42] <corinanth> also i used optifine to turn off all animations and particles like lava smoke rain and explosions
#1531 [23:42] <corinanth> i would overclock my graphic card but sadly i cant fit a large copper heatsink on a tablet :P
#1532 [23:44] <corinanth> but it is a radeon hd 6310
#1533 [23:44] <corinanth> 1 gig vram
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#1535 [23:44] * |Kiikun| blinks...
#1535 [23:44] <|Kiikun|> sorry.. i hear tablet i think things like the ipad
#1536 [23:45] <corinanth> no this is a full computer
#1537 [23:45] <corinanth> in a ipad form factor
#1538 [23:45] <corinanth> so the gpu is actually probibally clocke under the standard specs
#1539 [23:45] <corinanth> for thermal reasons
#1540 [23:45] <Jeremy_> Hello. I am having a slight problem with Minecraft. I'm not sure whether it's due to my Java version or my computer in general, but here it is: when I try and walk in a direction and jump at the same time, it just keeps walking in that direction even if I don't press any keys and doesn't even jump at all. Does anyone know what is causing this?
#1541 [23:46] <corinanth> it happens to me all the time
#1542 [23:46] <|Kiikun|> Jeremy_: happen to have any system hotkeys that trigger on the w+ combination?
#1543 [23:46] <corinanth> just figure out which direction your moving in and hit the directional key a few times to reset it
#1544 [23:46] <corinanth> but as far as i know it is a known bug
#1545 [23:47] <|Kiikun|> thats java losing focus between keypresses
#1546 [23:47] <Jeremy_> Not at all. It happens no matter whether I am walking forwards, backwards or side to side.
#1547 [23:47] <corinanth> also i found out that fall damage in the nether is calculated differently from overworld \0/
#1548 [23:48] <Jeremy_> Hm, so there's no real fix for it?
#1549 [23:48] <corinanth> not really
#1550 [23:48] <corinanth> perhaps a mod
#1551 [23:48] <Jeremy_> Well I am just about to try Minecraft on my other computer to see if it's different.
#1552 [23:48] <corinanth> but i think i might try a usb mouse instead of this little rubber knob in the middle of the keyboard
#1553 [23:48] <corinanth> might help with the flailing
#1554 [23:49] <Jeremy_> It most likely would.
#1555 [23:49] <corinanth> hmmm anyone know how to overclock a acer iconiatab w500
#1556 [23:50] <corinanth> that might help alot
#1557 [23:50] <corinanth> untill it explodes on me
#1558 [23:50] <corinanth> and takes out the side of my house creeper style
#1559 [23:50] <|Kiikun|> i wouldnt tempt it. :P
#1560 [23:51] <|Kiikun|> and if anything it woudl be software-side
#1561 [23:51] <corinanth> has anyone heard of a program called iobit game booster
#1562 [23:51] <Wug> Jeremy_: you could try updating lwjgl
#1563 [23:51] <corinanth> someone recomended it but i never heard about that company
#1564 [23:51] <corinanth> lwjgj
#1565 [23:51] <Wug> ive heard of it yes
#1566 [23:52] <corinanth> lwjgl ???
#1567 [23:52] <Wug> I doubt it really makes much of a difference
#1568 [23:52] <Jeremy_> What is lwjgj?
#1569 [23:52] <Wug> lwjgl is the library minecraft uses for input
#1570 [23:52] <Wug> :lwjgl
#1571 [23:52] <corinanth> i have no clue how to do that
#1572 [23:52] <Wug> ;search lwjgl
#1573 [23:52] <WugBot> Matches for "lwjgl": lwjgl/update
#1574 [23:52] <Wug> :lwjgl/update
#1575 [23:52] <WugBot> lwjgl/update: Some versions of linux may not work out of the box with the lwjgl libraries included with minecraft. You may need to update the lwjgl libraries to make minecraft run.
#1576 [23:52] <WugBot> lwjgl/update: Download lwjgl (version 2.8.3) from the following link and replace the files in .../bin and .../bin/natives with the identical entries from the zip file. LWJGL download: http://lwjgl.org/download.php
#1577 [23:53] <Jeremy_> Oh thank you. I'll give it a go.
#1578 [23:53] <corinanth> ill try that
#1579 [23:53] <corinanth> now if only i could fix that bug in ic2 where the jetpack jams and leaves you stuck on the cealing lol
#1580 [23:54] <corinanth> gah wug bot left out the full paths of where to put the fils
#1581 [23:55] <corinanth> tis this minecraft bin or java bin
#1582 [23:55] <Wug> corinanth: minecraft
#1583 [23:57] <corinanth> what the res folder my minecraft bin folder doesent have that
#1584 [23:58] <Wug> its not res
#1585 [23:58] <Wug> res is for other stuff
#1586 [23:58] <corinanth> in the zip there is a bin and a natives
#1587 [23:58] <|Kiikun|> only replace the files that already exist. you dont need ALL the files in the lwjgl zip
#1588 [23:58] <corinanth> ah ok
#1589 [23:58] <Wug> lwjgl is cross platform, the other files are for other operating systems
#1590 [23:59] <corinanth> are there any magic updted files which will improve graphics
#1591 [23:59] <|Kiikun|> nope.
#1592 [23:59] <corinanth> what i really want is something that can use extra cpu resources for some soft rendering
#1593 [23:59] <Jeremy_> That lwjgl thing didn't work ):