#MineCraftHelp IRC Chat Logs

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#2 [00:00] <bejoe905> seems nasty...
#3 [00:01] <bejoe905> glad i keep my AV up to date lol
#4 [00:07] <Grim_Reaper> Morning
#5 [00:07] <Eddie> >:(
#6 [00:09] * GreyVulpine stabs Grim_Reaper with buttered toast and a side of bacon.
#6 [00:10] <Grim_Reaper> Oh thanks GreyVulpine <3
#7 [00:12] <GreyVulpine> http://www.brick-force.com/
#8 [00:12] <GreyVulpine> Hmm.. It's minecraft, meets FPS
#9 [00:13] <Grim_Reaper> o.o
#10 [00:13] * Grim_Reaper bans GreyVulpine - advertising
#10 [00:13] * GreyVulpine pffts and kicks Grim_Reaper
#10 [00:13] <Grim_Reaper> ;_;
#11 [00:13] <Grim_Reaper> Im reporting you to Notch Inc.
#12 [00:13] <Grim_Reaper> I mean Wug Inc.
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#16 [00:34] <Wug> Grim_Reaper: GreyVulpine is my senior
#17 [00:34] <Grim_Reaper> ._.
#18 [00:34] <Eddie> se�or?
#19 [00:34] <Grim_Reaper> Does that mean you're as cruel as him ;.;?
#20 [00:35] <Wug> no
#21 [00:35] <Wug> he's more battle hardened slash shell shocked than me
#22 [00:35] <Grim_Reaper> I see
#23 [00:35] * Grim_Reaper hugs Wug and Eddie
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#24 [00:40] <Wug> I have so much lapis
#25 [00:41] <Grim_Reaper> I never wanted it that much ._.
#26 [00:41] <cosmicvoyager> In the middle of hours of coverting map to 1.2, I get an out of memory error. What do I need to increase memoryf for? Minecraft or Java?
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#28 [00:42] <|Anthony|> do client and server have to run the same version?
#29 [00:42] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#30 [00:42] <Grim_Reaper> ^
#31 [00:42] <|Anthony|> gat dangit
#32 [00:42] <|Anthony|> k thanks
#33 [00:42] <Grim_Reaper> gat dangit o.o?
#34 [00:42] <Grim_Reaper> lol
#35 [00:43] <|Anthony|> family friendly version of what i was actually saying here
#36 [00:43] <GreyVulpine> cosmicvoyager - Big map?
#37 [00:43] <Grim_Reaper> Ahh..
#38 [00:43] <cosmicvoyager> he really meant gosh darnit
#39 [00:43] <|Anthony|> yes
#40 [00:43] <|Anthony|> exactly
#41 [00:44] <|Anthony|> didn't know if such harsh language was acceptable
#42 [00:44] <cosmicvoyager> GreyVulpine: yes 6gb
#43 [00:44] <Grim_Reaper> Well it.. depends on what exactly it is you say
#44 [00:44] <GreyVulpine> Ouch. Might need to run minecraft with more RAM
#45 [00:44] <Grim_Reaper> For example the f word is a no no
#46 [00:44] <cosmicvoyager> GreyVulpine: hot do i give more memeroy
#47 [00:44] <cosmicvoyager> frak
#48 [00:44] <GreyVulpine> See: http://pastebin.com/YhRXMsEU
#49 [00:44] <GreyVulpine> adjust to suit your tastes
#50 [00:44] <Grim_Reaper> Remove the r in that cosmicvoyager and you have my way of saying it :3
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#52 [00:46] <Nemata> when using a development release, #2029, the server seems to crash and ends up crashing only my client (im on 64-bit).
#53 [00:46] <GreyVulpine> With bukkit, you're better off asking in #bukkit
#54 [00:46] <Nemata> i did, no reply..
#55 [00:46] <GreyVulpine> Dev releases are not stable/recommended releases, you use them at your own risk
#56 [00:47] <Nemata> is there #bukkithelp ?
#57 [00:47] <GreyVulpine> #bukkit is the help channel
#58 [00:47] <Nemata> nvm awnsered my own question
#59 [00:47] <Nemata> nvm awnsered my own question
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#62 [00:49] <cosmicvoyager> Does is needs as mani GB of RAM as the size of the map?
#63 [00:49] <GreyVulpine> I'd give it as much as you think you can spare.
#64 [00:50] <GreyVulpine> Have never worked with multi-GB maps before
#65 [00:50] <GreyVulpine> Last time the map format changed was what, early beta?
#66 [00:51] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, .mcr was implemented in beta 1.3
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#68 [00:51] <cwarn23> Hi
#69 [00:51] <GreyVulpine> 'lo
#70 [00:52] <cwarn23> If I choose to have an outdated server can I host an outdated client?
#71 [00:52] <GreyVulpine> It is against the Terms of service to host minecraft files
#72 [00:52] <GreyVulpine> http://www.minecraft.net/terms
#73 [00:53] <GreyVulpine> "Do not distribute anything we've made. This includes, but not limited to, the client or the server software for the game. This also includes modified versions of anything we've made."
#74 [00:53] <cwarn23> What about the people who did it with 1.8
#75 [00:53] <GreyVulpine> It has never been okay with Mojang for people to host any minecraft files
#76 [00:54] <cwarn23> It's just that I want to host a classic server with bukkit plugins but it's not possible in 1.2
#77 [00:56] <GreyVulpine> Again. It's against Mojang's terms of service for anybody to host minecraft files, other than Mojang. If I hosted a 1.1 file, Mojang can make no guarantee that my version is not filled with malware, or has been compromised in any way
#78 [00:56] <GreyVulpine> With that said, look up mcnostalgia
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#80 [00:56] <cwarn23> Then is there any other way to host a classic server with plugins?
#81 [00:57] <GreyVulpine> By classic server, do you mean an older version of minecraft, or the outdated version of minecraft that only has creative?
#82 [00:57] <cwarn23> The version before survival came out which is presented on the minecraft.net website for free
#83 [00:58] <GreyVulpine> Ah. That classic. For custom classic server packages, look at:
#84 [00:58] <GreyVulpine> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Custom_servers#Classic
#85 [00:59] <ertyuiop99> Okay, then. You can't use bukkit programs on it, but there's pretty good equivalents, cwarn23
#86 [00:59] <ertyuiop99> plugins, not programs
#87 [00:59] <GreyVulpine> There are no plugins for classic servers.
#88 [00:59] <cwarn23> cool that's exactly what I need
#89 [01:00] <ertyuiop99> I said equivalents :P
#90 [01:00] <cwarn23> well theres scripting right?
#91 [01:00] <GreyVulpine> Depends on the custom server package you go with
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#93 [01:08] <|Anthony|> ok... how do you revert back to 1.1
#94 [01:09] <GreyVulpine> ?? mcnostalgia
#95 [01:09] <GreyVulpine> hmm
#96 [01:09] <|Anthony|> lol
#97 [01:10] <GreyVulpine> See http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/800346-tool-mcnostalgia-210-now-works-with-123/
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#104 [01:34] <asdaqwe> hey anyone online i need help with something
#105 [01:34] <TheNoodle> :ww
#106 [01:34] <WugBot> ww: Help you with what? Please describe the problem in detail.
#107 [01:35] <asdaqwe> see if my laptop is ok to run minecraft ill give u info with paste bin?
#108 [01:35] <asdaqwe> becase it gets super hot and the fan goes insane
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#110 [01:37] <asdaqwe> could it be because of dust or something? how do i fix that? i tried opening it and there's no way or getting out the fan to clean it so i just used a vacuum but i don't thing that did much? i have an acer aspire 7530
#111 [01:37] <lemon-rev> laptps generally are hot because they dont have a fan inside the keyboard
#112 [01:38] <asdaqwe> and like when u open the thing under , you literately have to like disassemble the whole thing just to take out the fan or the end of it , it shows like the weel thing and that's it
#113 [01:38] <lemon-rev> thats just how they are you can get a fan to cool it down but it would have to be outside the laptop get a desktop computer and you wont have to worry about how hot it gets
#114 [01:39] <lemon-rev> if you have a fan inside your laptop then its most likely a gpu fan and wont do that much appart from try to keep the graphics working while your laptop is on
#115 [01:39] <asdaqwe> can i get a good computer for 200 bucks? 200-300? i am trying to sell my netbook nd save up then
#116 [01:40] <lemon-rev> keep your notepad for school, save and buy a desktop, depends if you have small retail stores that go to the trouble to buy there stuff from a deport to get there parts if your willing to spend small cash then i would just say save and buy later
#117 [01:40] <asdaqwe> this is not only my laptop so yeah , ill am trying to sell a netbook , hp mini 110-1100 for like 160-200 but have no idea how much it's worth :( can u help me find out?
#118 [01:41] <asdaqwe> yeah i am a student and i am turning 16 soon so ill try and get a job too but that's in like 4 months so i am thinking of saving up now , sooner the better
#119 [01:42] <lemon-rev> https://www.google.com.au/#q=hp+mini+110-1100+buy&hl=en&prmd=imvns&source=univ&tbm=shop&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=DL1RT8evCpGhiAf04bzrCw&ved=0CFEQrQQ&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=7a0ea5ab9227d9fb&biw=1054&bih=720 < for your laptop to buy certain parts the laptop is discontinued
#120 [01:42] <asdaqwe> i used to have a laptop worth 800 bucks we won , but i got scammed on CL and sold it for like 200 bucks :( , any idea how much an hp mini 110-1100 is worth?
#121 [01:43] <lemon-rev> look at how costly indevidual prices are for parts on it, then work from there, its a discontinued computer
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#123 [01:43] <asdaqwe> oh
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#125 [01:44] <asdaqwe> i bet you would be able to do that in like 5 seconds tho :D ??
#126 [01:44] <asdaqwe> these are the specs http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/rch/sys/2862364575.html
#127 [01:44] <lemon-rev> do what in 5 second you just need a bit of brain power to do a seearch
#128 [01:45] <asdaqwe> i v been looking for a price but like you said, its a discontinued computer
#129 [01:46] <asdaqwe> so what do you think? good sir
#130 [01:49] <asdaqwe> hey lemon could i get a decent gaming machine for 400 bucks? my friend got this laptop that is pretty good for 399 on sale, it's laptop and can run minecraft +server with 5 people on it all while at 100+ fps
#131 [01:51] <asdaqwe> rage quitted
#132 [01:51] <asdaqwe> fuck the world
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#140 [02:31] <I_Eat_Plastic_> stamina completly disappearing randomy for anyone?
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#142 [02:56] <mr_trousers> !check 195.241.14.150
#143 [02:56] <mr_trousers> yay
#144 [02:56] <wnfakind> anyone wanna see a slick redstone light setup?
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#149 [03:29] <Panda> Hello everybody :3
#150 [03:29] <Grim_Reaper> Greetings
#151 [03:52] <ertyuiop99> So how
#152 [03:53] <ertyuiop99> 's everyones day so far?
#153 [03:53] <ertyuiop99> (premature eja--*cough* enter)
#154 [03:54] <Grim_Reaper> ..
#155 [03:56] <ertyuiop99> Okay, yeah.. But seriously, how's everyone's day?
#156 [03:57] <Grim_Reaper> Fine and you
#157 [04:01] <ertyuiop99> Same
#158 [04:01] <ertyuiop99> What an uneventful time, I think I'm going to go to bed
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#164 [04:10] <Mingeraft> Hi.
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#166 [04:30] <ertyuiop99> Mingeraft, hello
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#169 [04:31] <mib_gypuxh> l
#170 [04:31] <mib_gypuxh> how do i change advanced for java
#171 [04:32] <ertyuiop99> What do you mean?
#172 [04:33] <mib_gypuxh> well i was on this about a week ago and a guy said because i was lagging alot to change graphic card to advanced for java
#173 [04:35] <mib_gypuxh> im lagging a lot but it wont stop any advice?
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#177 [04:43] <DjM1zw1z> Can someone help me with the new 1.2.3 updatwe
#178 [04:44] <GreyVulpine> What about it?
#179 [04:45] <Calinou> if you don't tell what's the problem then we can't help :P
#180 [04:45] <DjM1zw1z> Oops sorry
#181 [04:45] <DjM1zw1z> Meh its stuck on downloading packages
#182 [04:45] <GreyVulpine> Tried a force update through the launcher?
#183 [04:46] <DjM1zw1z> ill try that
#184 [04:46] <DjM1zw1z> Nope
#185 [04:46] <GreyVulpine> Stuck on any specific file?
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#187 [04:46] <DjM1zw1z> "Downloading Packages"
#188 [04:46] <GreyVulpine> What antivirus software do you run?
#189 [04:47] <DjM1zw1z> Avast
#190 [04:47] <DjM1zw1z> Free
#191 [04:47] <GreyVulpine> Hmm. Could you try turning it off to see if it's blocking minecraft?
#192 [04:48] <DjM1zw1z> k
#193 [04:48] <DjM1zw1z> same thing
#194 [04:49] <GreyVulpine> Hmm. Strange... Have you tried to see if it'll update through the website's in-browser client?
#195 [04:49] <DjM1zw1z> It wont
#196 [04:49] <GreyVulpine> Windows?
#197 [04:50] <DjM1zw1z> 7 home premium
#198 [04:50] <GreyVulpine> Alright. Could you try going to the inbrowser client at the website. When it starts to load up the client, look in your taskbar, by your client. There, you should see a white, coffee cup icon for java.
#199 [04:51] <GreyVulpine> Right click on that and open up the console. When the download stops, there should be some debug text in there. Copy all of it to www.pastebin.com and give us the URl
#200 [04:51] <GreyVulpine> er, by your time.
#201 [04:51] <DjM1zw1z> ok
#202 [04:52] <DjM1zw1z> Ok what im confused :\
#203 [04:52] <GreyVulpine> Go to www.minecraft.net, log in. Do you see the option to launch minecraft "in-browser"?
#204 [04:52] <DjM1zw1z> ye
#205 [04:53] <GreyVulpine> Click on "in-browser". It'll take you to a new page. It should start running the minecraft client in your browser.
#206 [04:53] <DjM1zw1z> Yep
#207 [04:53] <DjM1zw1z> Java asks for permission
#208 [04:53] <GreyVulpine> Press yes, or accept
#209 [04:53] <DjM1zw1z> then
#210 [04:54] <GreyVulpine> Do you see a white coffee cup icon in the lower right of your screen, by the system clock?
#211 [04:54] <DjM1zw1z> No
#212 [04:54] <DjM1zw1z> Wait yep
#213 [04:54] <GreyVulpine> Press the arrow to expand the system tray
#214 [04:54] <GreyVulpine> Right click on it, Choose the Open Console option
#215 [04:54] <DjM1zw1z> Done
#216 [04:55] <GreyVulpine> Do you have a java console open now?
#217 [04:55] <DjM1zw1z> Yes
#218 [04:55] <GreyVulpine> Alright. Look at the minecraft client. Is it stopped on downloading packages?
#219 [04:55] <DjM1zw1z> ye
#220 [04:56] <GreyVulpine> Great. Go back to the java console. Copy everything inside. Go to http://www.pastebin.com and paste it in the text box there
#221 [04:56] <GreyVulpine> When you hit submit, you'll be taken to a new page, copy the page's http:// address here
#222 [04:56] <DjM1zw1z> Will not let me copy D:
#223 [04:57] <GreyVulpine> It won't?
#224 [04:57] <DjM1zw1z> You said it
#225 [04:58] <GreyVulpine> Did you select everything in the java console?
#226 [04:58] <DjM1zw1z> I think
#227 [04:58] <GreyVulpine> use your mouse to highlight all the text
#228 [04:58] <mr_trousers> i need help
#229 [04:58] <GreyVulpine> Right click -> Copy
#230 [04:58] <mr_trousers> my servers keeps on crashing
#231 [04:59] <mr_trousers> and it says internal server error
#232 [04:59] <GreyVulpine> mr_trousers - Share the server's log with us via pastebin.com
#233 [04:59] <DjM1zw1z> Hang on a minute o.e
#234 [05:00] <mr_trousers> ok
#235 [05:00] <DjM1zw1z> 15 minuted later out off browser by download is completing. Very slowly
#236 [05:00] <DjM1zw1z> Its downloading :D
#237 [05:00] <DjM1zw1z> 1.2.3 downloaded.
#238 [05:00] <DjM1zw1z> thats odd
#239 [05:01] * GreyVulpine hehs
#239 [05:01] <DjM1zw1z> ?haspaid Notch
#240 [05:01] <DjM1zw1z> grr i forgot
#241 [05:01] <DjM1zw1z> haspaid? DjM1zw1z
#242 [05:01] <mr_trousers> wow my log file is laggy
#243 [05:01] <mr_trousers> !paid DjM1zw1z
#244 [05:02] <DjM1zw1z> Ah
#245 [05:02] <mr_trousers> my log file doesnt work?
#246 [05:02] <mr_trousers> greyvulpine
#247 [05:02] <GreyVulpine> Doesn't.. work?
#248 [05:02] <mr_trousers> yeah
#249 [05:02] <mr_trousers> when i start it crashes
#250 [05:02] <DjM1zw1z> That means where it doesnt function as meant to!
#251 [05:03] <GreyVulpine> Erm, mr_trousers, don't you have a server.log file where you have your server?
#252 [05:04] <D4rknovaGazio> Hey what will the dragon eggs do?
#253 [05:04] <mr_trousers> yes i have
#254 [05:04] <DjM1zw1z> Nothing at the moment?
#255 [05:04] <DjM1zw1z> Bounce around!
#256 [05:04] <Calinou> D4rknovaGazio: dragon eggs currently have no use
#257 [05:05] <GreyVulpine> mr_trousers - And what happens when you try to open the server.log in a text editor?
#258 [05:05] <Calinou> they can be mined (however they may teleport) or to collect them, use a piston or the falling-method
#259 [05:05] <DjM1zw1z> If you want to collect it you need a piston and a source
#260 [05:05] <D4rknovaGazio> Is the skyworld going to be added
#261 [05:05] <Calinou> (torch under it - let it fall)
#262 [05:05] <mr_trousers> it 421 mb big
#263 [05:05] <D4rknovaGazio> with new fetures
#264 [05:05] <Calinou> D4rknovaGazio: probably not
#265 [05:05] <GreyVulpine> Good god.
#266 [05:05] <D4rknovaGazio> and diffirent ores?
#267 [05:05] <DjM1zw1z> I want XP ore!
#268 [05:05] <Calinou> D4rknovaGazio: same
#269 [05:05] <D4rknovaGazio> SO why was round stone bricks added then
#270 [05:05] <mr_trousers> it works with notepad ++
#271 [05:05] <Calinou> DjM1zw1z: XP on mining would be cool, now go ask mojang :P
#272 [05:05] <Calinou> mr_trousers: why don't you delete it?
#273 [05:05] <Calinou> D4rknovaGazio: decoration?
#274 [05:05] <D4rknovaGazio> He might be making for like a sky temple
#275 [05:05] <D4rknovaGazio> That would be mad
#276 [05:06] <DjM1zw1z> When is Official mod support going to be added -_-
#277 [05:06] <D4rknovaGazio> He should have dungeons with bosses in it :)
#278 [05:06] <D4rknovaGazio> And keys :)
#279 [05:06] <GreyVulpine> DjM1zw1z - We have no ETA on that
#280 [05:06] <mr_trousers> what happens when i delete everything
#281 [05:07] <D4rknovaGazio> Will enderdragons have sound
#282 [05:07] <DjM1zw1z> DjM1zw1z <3 Endermen
#283 [05:07] <mr_trousers> what happens when i delete the log file
#284 [05:08] <GreyVulpine> Nothing
#285 [05:08] <DjM1zw1z> Doesnt it create a new one
#286 [05:08] <GreyVulpine> When you launch the server again, yes
#287 [05:08] <DjM1zw1z> I have moved up a rank from "Minecraft Retard" to "Noob"
#288 [05:09] <DjM1zw1z> !paid GreyVulpine
#289 [05:09] <DjM1zw1z> Good boy xD
#290 [05:09] <Grim_Reaper> Lies
#291 [05:09] <mr_trousers> http://mibpaste.com/nEERAl
#292 [05:09] <Grim_Reaper> GreyVulpine never pays for anything
#293 [05:09] <DjM1zw1z> !paid Grim__Reaper
#294 [05:09] <Grim_Reaper> Thats not me >.>
#295 [05:09] <mr_trousers> grey
#296 [05:09] <Grim_Reaper> Grimster101 is my username
#297 [05:10] <mr_trousers> could you check it
#298 [05:10] <DjM1zw1z> !paid Grmster101
#299 [05:10] <Grim_Reaper> You forgot the i
#300 [05:10] <DjM1zw1z> damn. I hoped you wouldnt notice
#301 [05:10] <mr_trousers> could someone check the mibpaste log
#302 [05:10] <Grim_Reaper> mr_trousers what is your issue exactly?
#303 [05:11] <mr_trousers> internal server error
#304 [05:11] <mr_trousers> all the time
#305 [05:11] <Grim_Reaper> It seems some of your mods arent working by the way
#306 [05:11] <Grim_Reaper> Plus we cant exactly help with mods
#307 [05:11] <Grim_Reaper> You would most likely get better help in #bukkit
#308 [05:11] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, it's a bukkit issue
#309 [05:11] <mr_trousers> i am banned there
#310 [05:11] <Grim_Reaper> Why
#311 [05:11] <mr_trousers> dont know
#312 [05:12] <mr_trousers> i dont know any more
#313 [05:12] <Grim_Reaper> Perhaps pm an op
#314 [05:12] <DjM1zw1z> You get kicked for !paid notch
#315 [05:12] <mr_trousers> i did for 100 times
#316 [05:12] <mr_trousers> !paid honeydew
#317 [05:12] <DjM1zw1z> !paid Niguraria
#318 [05:13] <Grim_Reaper> Yeah asking !paid notch does that
#319 [05:13] <DjM1zw1z> !paid ThisMinecraftNameIsSoFakeAsItHasExpandedTheCharacterLimit
#320 [05:13] <Grim_Reaper> Try not to abuse the bots guys
#321 [05:13] <mr_trousers> yh
#322 [05:13] <DjM1zw1z> Like that
#323 [05:14] <mr_trousers> !check 195.241.14.150
#324 [05:15] <mr_trousers> oh no
#325 [05:15] <DjM1zw1z> wait
#326 [05:15] <mr_trousers> and i cant get help at #bukkit
#327 [05:15] <DjM1zw1z> !check mc.craft-uk.co.uk
#328 [05:16] <mr_trousers> they do not have updated bukkit
#329 [05:16] <GreyVulpine> Yes they have
#330 [05:16] <mr_trousers> hey i will try to update bukkit
#331 [05:16] <Grim_Reaper> I've asked the ops if they can give a reason why ou were banned
#332 [05:16] <mr_trousers> ok
#333 [05:16] <DjM1zw1z> Cant blame them. Its mojangs fault for not added bukkit support *hint hint*
#334 [05:17] <tyteen4a03> DjM1zw1z: Bukkit is a server mod, mojang do not have to support them
#335 [05:17] <GreyVulpine> http://dl.bukkit.org/downloads/craftbukkit/
#336 [05:17] <tyteen4a03> Grim_Reaper, GreyVulpine: does codeacademy.com work for you
#337 [05:18] <DjM1zw1z> tyteen4a03: Bukkit is a good Mod and they need to add SMP mod support along SP Mod support
#338 [05:18] <tyteen4a03> DjM1zw1z: It's still not Mojang's code
#339 [05:18] <Grim_Reaper> tyteen4a03?
#340 [05:18] <Grim_Reaper> What is that?
#341 [05:18] <tyteen4a03> Grim_Reaper: some website that lets you learn coding
#342 [05:18] <DjM1zw1z> It may not be mojangs code but it should be merged
#343 [05:18] <GreyVulpine> !isup codeacademy.com
#344 [05:18] <GreyBot> GreyVulpine: It's just you. http://codeacademy.com is up.
#345 [05:18] * Grim_Reaper bookmarks
#345 [05:19] <tyteen4a03> Grim_Reaper: I believe I broke it by doing "import urllib" into the interactive console in it
#346 [05:19] <tyteen4a03> so, does it work for you?
#347 [05:19] <tyteen4a03> GreyVulpine: the website works, but it shows an error for me
#348 [05:19] <DjM1zw1z> !check mc-server.co.uk
#349 [05:19] <Grim_Reaper> Lol tyteen4a03
#350 [05:19] <Grim_Reaper> It loads for me
#351 [05:19] <tyteen4a03> aw
#352 [05:20] <DjM1zw1z> Whats your ping?
#353 [05:20] <Grim_Reaper> !ping codeacademy.com
#354 [05:21] <Grim_Reaper> D:
#355 [05:21] <GreyVulpine> tyteen4a03 - Clear browser cache?
#356 [05:21] <Grim_Reaper> ^
#357 [05:21] <Grim_Reaper> Cookies
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#359 [05:21] <Grim_Reaper> History and notch nudes
#360 [05:21] <Grim_Reaper> clear it all
#361 [05:21] <tyteen4a03> I will do it later
#362 [05:21] <Grim_Reaper> And wash your eyes out
#363 [05:21] <DjM1zw1z> !ping
#364 [05:21] <GreyBot> DjM1zw1z Your Ping time was 0.561 seconds.
#365 [05:21] <tyteen4a03> DjM1zw1z: ping mc-server.co.uk: Timeout, Timeout, Timeout, Timeout
#366 [05:22] <DjM1zw1z> Quite good
#367 [05:22] <Grim_Reaper> Seems tyteen4a03 has some bad internets
#368 [05:22] <tyteen4a03> Grim_Reaper: 1000Mbps local, 20Mbps overseas
#369 [05:23] <Grim_Reaper> :o
#370 [05:23] <tyteen4a03> Hong Kong is known for being a fiber city
#371 [05:23] <Grim_Reaper> Does that include fiber diet :3
#372 [05:23] <tyteen4a03> nope
#373 [05:23] <Grim_Reaper> ;;
#374 [05:24] <DjM1zw1z> Waiting for virgin to double everything on our internet :D
#375 [05:25] <Grim_Reaper> DjM1zw1z what do you call a nun in a wheel chair?
#376 [05:25] <Grim_Reaper> Virgin Mobile
#377 [05:25] <DjM1zw1z> lol what
#378 [05:25] <DjM1zw1z> I just have virgin internet
#379 [05:26] <DjM1zw1z> Btw is 60mbps download speed good?
#380 [05:26] <Grim_Reaper> Mbits?
#381 [05:26] <Grim_Reaper> yeah
#382 [05:26] <Grim_Reaper> Should be around.. 6MB's
#383 [05:27] <DjM1zw1z> Getting an upgrade and 15 upload
#384 [05:27] <Grim_Reaper> :o
#385 [05:27] <Grim_Reaper> nice
#386 [05:27] <DjM1zw1z> doesnt sound as good
#387 [05:27] <tyteen4a03> 7.5MB
#388 [05:28] <DjM1zw1z> lol worst server ever
#389 [05:28] <DjM1zw1z> 13842ms ping!
#390 [05:28] <Grim_Reaper> ..
#391 [05:28] <DjM1zw1z> No lag there
#392 [05:29] <DjM1zw1z> oops take off the 1
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#394 [05:36] <DjM1zw1z> Helloo
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#399 [06:14] <Mingeraft> Is there a skin template that tells you in what direction the chosen part is?
#400 [06:17] <Mingeraft> I don't need any help anymore, I've found help in Minecraft Wiki.
#401 [06:18] <GreyVulpine> See also sites like http://minecraft.novaskin.me/
#402 [06:18] <Mingeraft> I'm actually trying myself in making new skins, and I needed a template for help.
#403 [06:18] <GreyVulpine> As well as http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/746941-mcskin3d-new-skinning-program/
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#405 [06:20] <Sai> Heya, so is there any way to make it so that Minecraft does not ask to update when it runs a previous version of it?
#406 [06:21] <GreyVulpine> It shouldn't ask, if you updated it, then replaced the minecraft.jar with the previous backed up version
#407 [06:22] <Sai> Okay, is there any way to make it never ask? Even when there is a new update?
#408 [06:22] <GreyVulpine> When you replace it with the minecraft.jar from an older version, it shouldn't ask again
#409 [06:23] <Sai> Yes, but I mean, doesn't Minecraft check to see if there is another update when ever Mojang releases one? Is there any way to stop that?
#410 [06:23] <GreyVulpine> Nope.
#411 [06:23] <GreyVulpine> to the first question
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#413 [06:24] <GreyVulpine> Say you have 1.1 right now. Copy the 1.1 minecraft.jar to another location. Have minecraft update to 1.2.3. Go back into the .minecraft/bin/ folder and replace the 1.2.3 .jar with the 1.1 minecraft.jar
#414 [06:24] <GreyVulpine> Minecraft will no longer ask you to update.
#415 [06:24] <Mingeraft> GreyVulpine, a little help?
#416 [06:24] <GreyVulpine> Mingeraft - Ask away
#417 [06:24] <Mingeraft> I want to use a template found in Minecraft Wiki, but it is too big! It's that one: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/File:Skinzones.png
#418 [06:25] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, that is way too big for a skin
#419 [06:25] <Sai> That's what I was going to do, I was hoping to make it not ask again, I have a portable version of it on my flashdrive that I want to keep 1.1 and was hoping to stop it from asking even during feature updates
#420 [06:25] <GreyVulpine> Sai - Once you do the steps above, it will no longer ask to update.
#421 [06:26] <GreyVulpine> Mingeraft - Skin files are tiny. For an example, look at: http://s3.amazonaws.com/MinecraftSkins/GreyVulpine.png
#422 [06:26] <GreyVulpine> That is my stormtrooper skin. To see it actually mapped to a model, type in "GreyVulpine" at http://minecraft.novaskin.me/
#423 [06:26] <EyesIsMine> my one is epuic
#424 [06:27] <GreyVulpine> The template you found, is blown up, so as to have space to write down what each of the parts are
#425 [06:27] <Mingeraft> Yeah, but I'd like to use a clean template.
#426 [06:29] <GreyVulpine> A steve template can be found in your profile page at minecraft.net
#427 [06:29] <Sai> http://www.minecraft.net/images/char.png
#428 [06:29] <Mingeraft> I'm already using that, but I want a template that is like in that link I gave you.
#429 [06:29] <GreyVulpine> Also, I do recommend taking a look at http://minecraft.novaskin.me/
#430 [06:30] <GreyVulpine> It features an interactive skinning program, in the browser
#431 [06:30] <GreyVulpine> If you double click in the picture in the upper right, you can see the result as it is in the actual skin.png
#432 [06:30] <Mingeraft> It's very similar to that one from Skindex.
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#434 [06:31] <Sai> Mingeraft http://i.imgur.com/3JEhe.png
#435 [06:31] <Sai> Would that work?
#436 [06:32] <Mingeraft> Lol.
#437 [06:32] <Mingeraft> You just scaled that, but it's better than the char.png.
#438 [06:32] <Calinou> Mingeraft: best skin template: char.png in minecraft.jar/mob
#439 [06:32] <Calinou> or on minecraft.net (beard-y version)
#440 [06:33] <Sai> Basically use the bigger picture of that Template to guide you on what each color is while editing the smaller version
#441 [06:34] <Mingeraft> GIMP is going pesky today.
#442 [06:35] <Mingeraft> I want to use yellow, but I see it as a human-like colour.
#443 [06:36] <Mingeraft> And I am in no way a daltonist.
#444 [06:37] <Mingeraft> Well, maybe a little, I just cannot tell the difference between pink and red.
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#448 [06:40] <mib_2yhvon> !check 195.241.14.150
#449 [06:41] <Mingeraft> Geweldige?
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#457 [07:30] <Mingeraft> Is that true when you look at the enderman with a pumpkin on your head, they won't react?
#458 [07:30] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#459 [07:31] <Mingeraft> Will they react when I'll be looking at them behind the glass?
#460 [07:31] <GreyVulpine> Nope
#461 [07:35] <Mingeraft> Also how nice, I just spawned infront of a village. Will they attack me for taking their stuff, or rather the iron golems will start attacking me?
#462 [07:35] <DreadLindwyrm> They might, but if you don't take their stuff you should be safe.
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#469 [08:23] <Mingeraft> Oh well, I just needed to search the forums to solve the problem with GIMP,
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#471 [08:26] <Jacob> I need help
#472 [08:26] <Jacob> Ok
#473 [08:26] <Jacob> In minecraft 1.1 I had no lag, 160fps max settings
#474 [08:26] <Jacob> In minecraft 1.2.3 I have 70fps mid settings :/
#475 [08:27] <Jacob> I would much like some help
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#477 [08:27] <Mingeraft> On what range you're playing? Far/Medium?
#478 [08:27] <Morrolan> Uh, lightning is client-sided now, maybe this eats away on performance a bit.
#479 [08:27] <Jacob> Medium
#480 [08:27] <Morrolan> lighting*
#481 [08:27] <Jacob> There was no lightning :/
#482 [08:28] <Mingeraft> Jacob.
#483 [08:28] <Jacob> Yes?
#484 [08:28] <Morrolan> lighting I meant.
#485 [08:28] <Jacob> :O
#486 [08:28] <Mingeraft> Are you near the jungle biome? You know, there's a little pesky bug with the ocelots.
#487 [08:28] <Morrolan> Though, did you have these 160 fps in singleplayer before?
#488 [08:28] <Jacob> Yeh
#489 [08:28] <Mingeraft> They can keep spawning endlessly on jungle or snowy biomes, eating your performance.
#490 [08:28] <Jacob> I was in a swamp biome
#491 [08:28] <Morrolan> Mingeraft - Oh, haha, who would have guessed that there's such a bug in there. ^^
#492 [08:29] <Morrolan> Jacob - Then it's not the lighting, probably some bug like the one Mingecraft mentioned. :)
#493 [08:29] <Jacob> So it's there a fix I can use?
#494 [08:29] <Jacob> :o
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#496 [08:29] <Jacob> I'm defraging my hard drive
#497 [08:29] <Mingeraft> Don't do it.
#498 [08:29] <Jacob> Why?
#499 [08:29] <Mingeraft> It's 95% the Minecraft problem, not your computer's.
#500 [08:30] <Jacob> :O
#501 [08:30] <Jacob> Will there be a update by sunday :)
#502 [08:30] <Mingeraft> Wait for Notch to fix that or just revert to older version.
#503 [08:30] <Jacob> Ok XD
#504 [08:30] <Jacob> Thank you
#505 [08:30] <Morrolan> 'course not, why should they work on sundays. ;)
#506 [08:30] <Jacob> Because they're is angry customers :D
#507 [08:30] <Jacob> joke
#508 [08:30] <Jacob> I'mma just revert to 1.1
#509 [08:30] <Jacob> But
#510 [08:31] <Mingeraft> On sundays they have sniping tournaments using nerf-bolt gubs.
#511 [08:31] <Mingeraft> Guns*
#512 [08:31] <Jacob> My friends are seeing more fps on minecraft
#513 [08:31] <Jacob> I've got a ATI graphics card
#514 [08:31] <Jacob> They had 140 max settings
#515 [08:31] <Jacob> Now their getting like 170
#516 [08:32] <Mingeraft> That's good.
#517 [08:32] <Jacob> But
#518 [08:32] <Jacob> I'm getting 60
#519 [08:32] <Jacob> Prob some bug with ati or something
#520 [08:33] <Mingeraft> Yeah, your computer suddenly broke after updating to 1.2.3
#521 [08:33] <Jacob> I'm on 1.1
#522 [08:33] <Jacob> 190fps max
#523 [08:33] <Mingeraft> See? It's 1.2.3 problem.
#524 [08:34] <Jacob> Yeh
#525 [08:34] <Jacob> I hope jeb fix's it soon XD
#526 [08:34] <Jacob> OH and
#527 [08:34] <Jacob> Opengl
#528 [08:34] <Jacob> Is supposed to help, right
#529 [08:34] <Jacob> I put it on, it lags now
#530 [08:35] <Morrolan> OpenGL helps if you've got a fast CPU and a bad GPU.
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#532 [08:35] <Jacob> I've got a core i330 m
#533 [08:35] <Morrolan> If your GPU can handle it then there's no use to activate advanced opengl
#534 [08:35] <Jacob> The cpu and gpu are equal
#535 [08:35] <Jacob> On the windows index score
#536 [08:36] <Jacob> Both 6.2
#537 [08:36] <Mingeraft> Uh, Morrolan.
#538 [08:36] <Morrolan> Hmm?
#539 [08:37] <Mingeraft> Both CPU and GPU are very good in my PC but I have always enabled OpenGL. :D
#540 [08:37] <Jacob> Mine are both above average
#541 [08:37] <Jacob> 6.2 is pretty reasonable
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#543 [08:38] <Jacob> I recently cleared alot of data from my hard drive because it was laggy
#544 [08:38] <Jacob> It gave me 10 more fps
#545 [08:38] <Morrolan> Mingeraft - I guess on most systems the CPU will be the bottleneck. On my PC Minecraft uses its core completely most of the time, whereas the GPU usage is fairly low.
#546 [08:39] <Morrolan> Fairly low being ~40%, that is.
#547 [08:39] <Jacob> So, what's your specs morro?
#548 [08:41] <Morrolan> A Radeon HD 6970 and a AMD Phenom II X4 965
#549 [08:41] <Morrolan> Should have waited a bit longer and gone for the Bulldozer CPUs I guess.
#550 [08:42] <Jacob> I see what you mean buy the cpu doing more
#551 [08:42] <Jacob> AMd are good with graphics
#552 [08:43] <Jacob> The cpu has a gpu
#553 [08:43] <Jacob> :3
#554 [08:43] <Jacob> I'm installing the Windows 8 preview
#555 [08:43] <Jacob> Gonna see if its gonna be worth getting
#556 [08:44] <Mingeraft> I've heard that Windows 8 is horrible.
#557 [08:44] <Jacob> It's really designed for tablets
#558 [08:44] <Jacob> And touch screen things
#559 [08:44] <Jacob> Like the new asus
#560 [08:44] <Mingeraft> Mainly because they have really changed the look of it. It doesn't look like a Windows for PC's anymore.
#561 [08:45] <Jacob> ik
#562 [08:45] <Jacob> I <3 windows 7
#563 [08:45] <Jacob> XD
#564 [08:45] <Jacob> But macs have one thing better
#565 [08:45] <Jacob> YOU don't get "PROGRAM IS NOT RESPONDING" :D
#566 [08:45] <Mingeraft> Yes, you just get an un-expected freeze.
#567 [08:45] <Mingeraft> :>
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#569 [08:46] <Jacob> :3
#570 [08:46] <Jacob> I use audacity to make my voice deeper ;3
#571 [08:47] <Mingeraft> Who cares?
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#573 [08:55] <Jacob> I do :3
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#575 [08:57] <charmander> !check 195.241.14.150
#576 [08:57] <charmander> nice
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#581 [09:02] <Mingeraft> Hello Gentlemen.
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#585 [09:07] <charmander> hello
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#587 [09:16] <supssupbladeron> ello
#588 [09:16] <peru> konnichiwa
#589 [09:17] <supssupbladeron> i have my skyblock for minecraft yayayat
#590 [09:17] <supssupbladeron> i have my skyblock for minecraft yayayay
#591 [09:18] <TheNoodle> Great.
#592 [09:18] <Mingeraft> I don't understand.
#593 [09:18] <supssupbladeron> and + i also have all the mods working and i also have survival island
#594 [09:19] <supssupbladeron> imma happy
#595 [09:19] <supssupbladeron> ^_^
#596 [09:20] <Mingeraft> That's all cool but who do you expect to care about that?
#597 [09:20] <supssupbladeron> hey does the mods only work in surviver and hardcore mode
#598 [09:20] <supssupbladeron> ????
#599 [09:22] <Mingeraft> You smell like a troll.
#600 [09:22] <Mingeraft> But mods work regardless of what mode you're playing.
#601 [09:22] <supssupbladeron> oh ok
#602 [09:23] <supssupbladeron> oh no! oh no! oh no!
#603 [09:23] * Mingeraft pulls out his iron spear.
#603 [09:23] <supssupbladeron> nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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#605 [09:25] * supssupbladeron kills everybody with a 999,000,000, pound hammer
#605 [09:25] * Mingeraft calls in a ban-hammer support against supssupbladeron.
#605 [09:25] * supssupbladeron and says "lol hahaha"
#605 [09:25] <Mingeraft> GreyVulpine, engage?
#606 [09:26] <supssupbladeron> huh?????
#607 [09:26] <supssupbladeron> what are you talking about ban-hammer
#608 [09:26] <Mingeraft> You are obnoxious.
#609 [09:27] <supssupbladeron> yeah right
#610 [09:27] <supssupbladeron> i do not annoy anybody
#611 [09:28] <supssupbladeron> FUCK!
#612 [09:28] * AuBot kicked supssupbladeron from #minecrafthelp (Reason: upssupbladeron :Please keep it civil.)
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#614 [09:28] <supssupbladeron> What1
#615 [09:29] <supssupbladeron> What
#616 [09:29] <supssupbladeron> What!
#617 [09:29] <supssupbladeron> The!
#618 [09:29] <supssupbladeron> F***!
#619 [09:29] <supssupbladeron> F***!
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#621 [09:30] <supssupbladeron> what za fuck
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#624 [09:30] <TheNoodle> I wouldn't do that again.
#625 [09:30] <supssupbladeron> f*ck
#626 [09:31] <Mingeraft> He's so dumb he'll end himself soon.
#627 [09:31] <TheNoodle> !kick supssupbladeron Please keep it civil.
#628 [09:31] * AuBot kicked supssupbladeron from #minecrafthelp (Reason: upssupbladeron :You are the weakest link, goodbye! (Issued by TheNoodle with reason: Please keep it civil.))
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#630 [09:32] <supssupbladeron> what the fu**...... stop doing that
#631 [09:32] <TheNoodle> !kick supssupbladeron Please keep it civil.
#632 [09:32] * AuBot kicked supssupbladeron from #minecrafthelp (Reason: upssupbladeron :I love you too! <3 (Issued by TheNoodle with reason: Please keep it civil.))
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#634 [09:32] <supssupbladeron> stop
#635 [09:32] <TheNoodle> Stop swearing.
#636 [09:32] <Mingeraft> I wanted to say that.
#637 [09:32] <supssupbladeron> ok
#638 [09:32] <supssupbladeron> ?
#639 [09:33] <supssupbladeron> ok?ing
#640 [09:33] <Mingeraft> How old are you exactly? 8?
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#642 [09:33] <supssupbladeron> no i am 17 years old you brat
#643 [09:34] <Mingeraft> Did you mean 7?
#644 [09:34] <supssupbladeron> no i meant 17
#645 [09:34] <supssupbladeron> 17
#646 [09:34] <supssupbladeron> 17
#647 [09:34] <supssupbladeron> 17
#648 [09:34] <Mingeraft> 7?
#649 [09:34] <supssupbladeron> 17
#650 [09:34] <supssupbladeron> 17
#651 [09:34] <supssupbladeron> 17
#652 [09:34] <peru> well you act like youre 7
#653 [09:34] <mib_f8w8nm> hallo
#654 [09:34] <TheNoodle> !kick supssupbladeron Stop spamming.
#655 [09:34] * AuBot kicked supssupbladeron from #minecrafthelp (Reason: upssupbladeron :You are the weakest link, goodbye! (Issued by TheNoodle with reason: Stop spamming.))
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#657 [09:35] <Mingeraft> Just remove his rights to type here.
#658 [09:35] <supssupbladeron> 34ugyrh3thnrehtgnouerjguuerht98gfvj54gf978tujgv97utyghregfiuthguo5thg98ujret0guj54098gj5u8tgh8t5rhgi0orhg8urhtgouihrehihrouhgeriougroiuhgoiurhgoirejhgoiurehgoirehgoiuhrtgoihreoiguhreoiughrtughrouihgouirhgouirthgiurhtgiu4h08gh58ugh587fh7tyg978rftgyht58gf4eryuderhedxgbcrfvt3fhbguvyitrnhuj5rtguihnerugfbht9gf
#659 [09:35] <TheNoodle> I'm not sure if I have the perms for it.
#660 [09:35] <supssupbladeron> bruoebgjuirehjgiou\
#661 [09:35] <TheNoodle> ;quiet supssupbladeron
#662 [09:35] <supssupbladeron> ougrhepoihjroithjoirth
#663 [09:35] <supssupbladeron> thiueriuhreuith
#664 [09:35] <TheNoodle> nah
#665 [09:35] <supssupbladeron> rthiuhjerigujtrguijhrtge
#666 [09:35] <supssupbladeron> rghirthg9oirtgjoirt
#667 [09:35] <supssupbladeron> gthgiurehgurhgiuhwer
#668 [09:35] <TheNoodle> !kick supssupbladeron
#669 [09:35] * AuBot kicked supssupbladeron from #minecrafthelp (Reason: upssupbladeron :I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you stay here. (Issued by TheNoodle with reason: None given.))
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#671 [09:35] <TheNoodle> Wug, can I get wugbot perms? <3
#672 [09:35] <TheNoodle> Wug, can I get wugbot perms? <3
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#675 [09:36] <Mingeraft> When everything is falling apart, the operators must always be away from keyboard.
#676 [09:37] <Mingeraft> Such a life on the IRC.
#677 [09:37] <Morrolan> *sigh*, cut it, supssupbladeron.
#678 [09:37] <supssupbladeron> how do you make your own channel
#679 [09:37] <TheNoodle> Morrolan \o/
#680 [09:37] <supssupbladeron> ?????
#681 [09:37] <Morrolan> "/join #channel"
#682 [09:37] <Mingeraft> You type /quit
#683 [09:37] <mib_f8w8nm> hello
#684 [09:37] <Morrolan> Feel free to highlight me when something like this happens, btw.
#685 [09:37] <Mingeraft> Morrolan, I want you to ban him.
#686 [09:37] <TheNoodle> Wasn't sure who was here :P
#687 [09:38] <Mingeraft> That guy is really dumb.
#688 [09:38] <Morrolan> Looking at the backlog this might be appropriate, he might need a break or so.
#689 [09:39] * VoxelHead kicked supssupbladeron from #minecrafthelp (Reason: upssupbladeron :Banned: Spamming)
#690 [09:39] <Morrolan> ^ three days
#691 [09:39] <mib_f8w8nm> :D
#692 [09:39] <mib_f8w8nm> :) -.-
#693 [09:40] <Morrolan> TheNoodle - Heh, in such cases none will be angry about a mass-highlight I think. :)
#694 [09:40] <TheNoodle> lol
#695 [09:41] <Mingeraft> *Guile Theme Plays*
#696 [09:43] <mib_f8w8nm> hello
#697 [09:43] <Morrolan> 'lo
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#699 [09:43] <mib_f8w8nm> http://miburl.com/ijTn6s
#700 [09:44] <Morrolan> Do not advertise random websites please.
#701 [09:44] <SeySayux> Hey, does anyone know if you can old/specific versions of minecraft from the official website somewhere?
#702 [09:44] <Morrolan> Not from the official website, no. But there's a tool, "MCNostalgia", which does just that.
#703 [09:45] <Mingeraft> Yeah, just DL that and use.
#704 [09:46] <SeySayux> Oh, apparently MCNostalgia uses delta's
#705 [09:46] <Morrolan> Yep.
#706 [09:47] <Morrolan> Which is why it's kind of a grey area legally.
#707 [09:47] <SeySayux> I have the problem that for my server, people need a specific version of Minecraft and several patches to connect. I used to just distribute a premade jar file, but I was made aware that Mojang frowns on this.
#708 [09:48] <Morrolan> Ah, I see. :)
#709 [09:49] <SeySayux> I can make a delta against one version, but it's a litlle bit difficult to make deltas against all versions, so I was wondering if I could get complete jarfiles. Seems that this is not the case, but thanks anyways.
#710 [09:51] <Morrolan> I guess I am not supposed to say this, but just stick with distributing jarfiles, just don't make a fuss about it.
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#712 [09:52] <Mingeraft> Is that piracy-like?
#713 [09:52] <Morrolan> Since you can grab the jar files from amazon without any authentication I'll just assume it's not as bad. ;)
#714 [09:53] <Morrolan> Ignorance is bliss etc etc. ;)
#715 [09:54] <SeySayux> Well, there are only five, six people on my (private) server and I know they bought minecraft fair and square, so I also didn't want to make a big fuss out of it, but then again, if there is an easy way to be in "the safe zone" that'd be nice too.
#716 [09:54] <Morrolan> Mhm.
#717 [09:55] <Morrolan> Well, you could always just tell them to use MCNostalgia to get a specific version and then apply your diff patch. This way you'd need to create one patch only.
#718 [09:55] <Morrolan> This works only if your users are able to use MCNostalgia ofcourse. ;)
#719 [09:56] <Mingeraft> safe zone has reminded me of that song "Highway to the danger zone"
#720 [09:57] <Mingeraft> I would be so happy if Notch would add potions that allow you to levitate for a minute or two.
#721 [09:57] <SeySayux> As far as I can see it, because the obfuscation changes every version, a diff would practically distribute everything in the jarfile anyways (except perhaps a few resources)
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#723 [10:01] <sarahwehener> Hello, I have a small issue. Not sure how to fix it :/
#724 [10:01] <Mingeraft> What issue? Explain it.
#725 [10:02] <Schlovia> I got the game about a year ago, and around Jan '11 I could not change or use a skin for my character
#726 [10:02] <Schlovia> Also I had to by the game twice
#727 [10:04] <Mingeraft> You just cannot change the skin?
#728 [10:04] <Schlovia> Nope. Even the old ones I used when I first got the game won't work.
#729 [10:05] <Schlovia> The website says it was uploaded successfully, but won't change on game
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#731 [10:07] <evonava> ok. i updated the craftbuk. now /warp /home/and all my permissions are M.I.A. I am about to give up on running a server. EVERY update I pend weeks geting it to work right. I get home from work. I dont whant to fight a pc over my inadiquit spelling and typing errors. I want to play and have fun.
#732 [10:08] <Morrolan> Uh, sounds as if whatever plugin provides these functions isn't working with the current build of CB.
#733 [10:08] <Morrolan> Update that one.
#734 [10:08] <evonava> anyone know why the permissions warps and homes are suddenly mising or not woking
#735 [10:08] <evonava> thank you Mor
#736 [10:08] <Morrolan> You are kind of in the wrong channel though, you'll have to ask the devs of whatever plugin you use for these.
#737 [10:09] <Morrolan> But I'm pretty certain that you'll just have to update Essentials/Scrapbukkit/Commandbook/whatever you use for warp etc.
#738 [10:09] <evonava> well i went to one. typed out a nice logical spellchecked paragraph explaining what the problem is. only it tells me. *you cant type here*
#739 [10:10] <Morrolan> Sounds like a channel where you have to register your nickname in order to talk.
#740 [10:10] <Morrolan> "/msg nickserv help register" will give you instructions on how to do s.
#741 [10:10] <Morrolan> And there he goes.
#742 [10:10] <Schlovia> you tried
#743 [10:11] <Morrolan> Schlovia - Your account is still flagged as premium, right?
#744 [10:11] <Schlovia> uhhhhhhh let me check
#745 [10:11] <Morrolan> Just check whether there's this "Buy now" button on the frontpage when logged in.
#746 [10:12] <Schlovia> yep
#747 [10:12] <Morrolan> Button not there?
#748 [10:12] <Schlovia> Not sure why I had to buy the full game twice, but the not able to change the skin is bugging me more.
#749 [10:13] <Morrolan> You did buy it from minecraft.net the first time?
#750 [10:13] <Schlovia> I did in '10 I forget when
#751 [10:13] <Mingeraft> That's a very weird problem.
#752 [10:14] <Schlovia> Then sometime in I think May '11 I had to get it again because it said I didn't have the full copy or w/e
#753 [10:14] <Morrolan> And you did buy it from www.minecraft.net when buying it for the first time?
#754 [10:15] <Schlovia> Yep, I had to so I could play online :P
#755 [10:15] <Morrolan> Heh, okay.
#756 [10:15] <Morrolan> Well, to come back to your issue, did you try a different browser already?
#757 [10:15] <Schlovia> Not sure... I shall try that.
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#759 [10:18] <Yoshi> Hello
#760 [10:20] <Mingeraft> Why did he/she get a second MC? :/
#761 [10:20] <Yoshi> I've seem to come across an odd camera problem. When i put it in a fixed place, it'll move around on it's own. How would i disable this?
#762 [10:20] <Schlovia> *she
#763 [10:22] <Yoshi> So is there a solution to my problem?
#764 [10:23] <mib_f8w8nm> you in minecraft ok
#765 [10:23] <Schlovia> Maybe a mouse glitch? Dunno D:
#766 [10:24] <Yoshi> Let me try something. I'll be right back.
#767 [10:25] <Schlovia> Ok so I uploaded a skin using another browser, the main minecraft website said it changed, log on, and its still the default skin. x.x
#768 [10:25] <Yoshi> I've had that issue before with the Portal 2 HD mod.
#769 [10:26] <Yoshi> So it's possible that it's the mod itself.
#770 [10:26] <Schlovia> I'm just using standard minecraft.
#771 [10:26] <Yoshi> Oh. What skin is it?
#772 [10:27] <Schlovia> tried a Stocking one from skindex
#773 [10:27] <Yoshi> Hmm...That's strange.
#774 [10:27] <Yoshi> That it won't work.
#775 [10:27] <Mingeraft> Schlovia
#776 [10:28] <Mingeraft> Wait wait.
#777 [10:28] <Schlovia> minecraft hates me T^T
#778 [10:28] <Mingeraft> If the website says you changed the skin but you see a default one in game...
#779 [10:28] <Mingeraft> Are you sure you are not playing in OFFLINE mode?
#780 [10:28] <Schlovia> thought they still changed in offline
#781 [10:29] <Mingeraft> Nope, you need to be ONLINe...
#782 [10:29] <Yoshi> So if i download the Portal 2 mod, it has to be online for certain ones?
#783 [10:29] <Schlovia> I think I need an updated server
#784 [10:30] <Mingeraft> No, Yoshi.
#785 [10:30] <Mingeraft> You need to be on-line to see your chosen skin.
#786 [10:30] <Mingeraft> With modifications you don't need to be on-line.
#787 [10:30] <Yoshi> Let me test something. Give me a sec....
#788 [10:31] <Schlovia> Is there a server I can test this on? x.x I only have one on my list and its not updated
#789 [10:31] <Mingeraft> Schlovia.
#790 [10:31] <Mingeraft> You can check if your chosen skin is working too in SP.
#791 [10:31] <Schlovia> Yes sir/mam
#792 [10:31] <Mingeraft> You just need to log-in.
#793 [10:31] <Schlovia> SP?
#794 [10:32] <Mingeraft> Single-Player
#795 [10:32] <Schlovia> ok i log on, single player, new world
#796 [10:33] <Schlovia> default skin
#797 [10:33] <Yoshi> Quick question. Where's a non HD portal gun mod?
#798 [10:35] <EyesIsMine> that happens
#799 [10:36] <EyesIsMine> quite often
#800 [10:36] <Schlovia> This makes me sad
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#803 [10:39] <Yoshi> Never mind. found it.
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#808 [10:46] <Commander_Matt> Hey, I was using "Potion o' Enchanting" and spilled a huge amount of Experience Points. I collected them with no problem and shortly after my world gave me huge amounts of lag and a huge frame-rate drop. Once this started happening, I left the world and came back to it shortly afterwards. But there is one problem! I have collected all the Experience and still
#809 [10:46] <Commander_Matt> I have a huge amout of lag.
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#811 [10:48] <Commander_Matt> I left the world and went to MCEdit and found that I think that it got corrupted. I know that MCedit has not updated to Anvil, but I cannot open the world up in Minecraft.
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#813 [10:50] <Hannah91> How do I email support???
#814 [10:50] <Nathan2055> I'm working with Matt here, and I'm talking to him at this very moment.
#815 [10:50] <Morrolan> Chances are there's a lot of experience orbs somewhere now. Just wait for MCEdit to update and use it to remove the entities afterwards, Commander_Matt.
#816 [10:51] <Morrolan> Hannah91 - What would you need to send them a mail for?
#817 [10:51] <Commander_Matt> Alright, thanks. It is disappointing that since the map is an Adventure map and that I wont be able to work on it, but oh welzors. Thank you for your help, guys!
#818 [10:51] <Commander_Matt> :D
#819 [10:52] <Nathan2055> Morrolan: Um, I've been looking at MCEdit's topic and it could be months before we get an update, since the software is still back in 1.8.1.
#820 [10:52] <Hannah91> Its kind of complicated but in short, my now ex-boyfriend bought me my account and I paid him cash but he is letting his sister use it as well. I have changed the password but she still uses it in offline mode.
#821 [10:52] <Morrolan> I know for a fact that MCEdit has been taken over by another dev, so an update shouldn't take too long. :)
#822 [10:52] <Commander_Matt> :D yay!
#823 [10:53] <Nathan2055> Oh, well that's good.
#824 [10:53] <Morrolan> Hannah91 - There's nothing you can do about this. When someone uses an account in offline mode it doesn't connect to the Minecraft servers at all.
#825 [10:53] <Nathan2055> Very good, in fact!
#826 [10:53] <Morrolan> Hannah91 - However, since you changed your password she won't be able to update her game, and is now stuck on whatever version she has on her PC:
#827 [10:53] <Morrolan> Nathan2055 - Indeed. :)
#828 [10:53] <Nathan2055> Hannah91: All we can say to do is get a new account.
#829 [10:54] <Nathan2055> But, it's really not causing any trouble.
#830 [10:54] <Hannah91> So all I can do is what I have already done, changing the password? She is at least 4 updates behind.
#831 [10:54] <Morrolan> Yes.
#832 [10:54] <Morrolan> She will not be able to use that account on any server etc, so there won't be any harm.
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#834 [10:55] <Hannah91> Okay.
#835 [10:55] <Mingeraft> What's going on?
#836 [10:56] <Hannah91> Thanks I guess.
#837 [10:56] <Morrolan> Sure thing.
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#840 [11:04] <evonava> This is not my idea of fun. its my day off. I could be playing mc, building a house. making a farm. building a pen for animals. I could be looking for ore. but no. im tearing out my plugins. and putting them back ine 1 at a time to see WHY my server is not working after i updated the game.
#841 [11:05] <Schlovia> ._.
#842 [11:05] <TheNoodle> evonava, go complain in #bukkit
#843 [11:05] <evonava> is this what EVERY server has to go through? if so. im done paying for a server. Ill go back to world of warcraft/.
#844 [11:05] <Grim_Reaper> WoW - The game to go back to when your mc server just aint working how it's supposed to
#845 [11:05] <Grim_Reaper> Interesting
#846 [11:06] <evonava> dude. every update i spend weeks working out problems. i get home i want to play. i fight with my server instead. can you understand that?
#847 [11:06] <Grim_Reaper> I've had my share
#848 [11:06] <TheNoodle> No, every server I run works fine
#849 [11:06] <TheNoodle> :D
#850 [11:06] <Grim_Reaper> But do you know what makes it better?
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#852 [11:07] <Grim_Reaper> Waiting for the updated mods
#853 [11:07] <Grim_Reaper> So they actually work with the new update
#854 [11:07] <evonava> see. noodle and you wonder why i call you a troll.
#855 [11:07] <Schlovia> troll noodles, do they taste like 4chan?
#856 [11:07] <Grim_Reaper> Naa
#857 [11:08] <Grim_Reaper> Tastes like waffles
#858 [11:08] <Schlovia> ooo YUMM!
#859 [11:08] <TheNoodle> evonava, I'm simply stating that I have no problems with minecraft servers.
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#870 [11:45] <Morrolan> "I do not have the necessary experience to run a server, therefore the guys developing the mods suck" - evonava. :S
#871 [11:46] <Morrolan> Thogugh I do admit that the Bukkit team did take the biscuit this time, breaking pretty much any plugin out there. <.<
#872 [11:46] <Morrolan> though*
#873 [11:46] <Morrolan> That's quite a strange idiom, btw.
#874 [11:47] <Morrolan> Well, if someone took my biscuit I would be mad at him too, so I guess it fits kinda.
#875 [11:50] <DreadLindwyrm> I wonder where that idiom comes from...
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#877 [11:52] <ImperialOne> Hello guys, my account is saying that I need to buy minecraft in order to play, i bought it about two months before and I played it fine before...
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#881 [11:54] <billythekid2525> when i go to mcedit and i open or load my world its just blank it shows were i am and the spawn but none on the blocks are loading
#882 [11:54] <billythekid2525> and i have idea why
#883 [11:55] <ImperialOne> ?
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#885 [11:57] <billythekid2525> when i go to mcedit my world wont load on it
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#887 [11:58] <billythekid2525> thats basicly i
#888 [11:58] <billythekid2525> it
#889 [11:58] <darktomas> Hello
#890 [11:58] <billythekid2525> hi
#891 [11:58] <netwired> Minecraft is killing my display driver after a couple mins and some time secs. I have a HD6850 and I've tried the most recent drivers and even older drivers. Can anyone help?
#892 [11:58] <darktomas> Gives an fix for that bug that monsters spawn durin day?
#893 [11:59] <darktomas> what the hell problems with graphic cards o.O
#894 [11:59] <darktomas> Minecraft runs on my geforce 2 ^^
#895 [11:59] <billythekid2525> try turning your settings to low like graphics to fast
#896 [11:59] <Morrolan> ImperialOne - Did you buy it from www.minecraft.net?
#897 [11:59] <darktomas> it gives texture packs 1*1 or 8*8 try it it can help i think
#898 [12:02] <netwired> .. i shouldn't need to turn my graphics down, but i will try it
#899 [12:02] <billythekid2525> k
#900 [12:02] <Eddie> Remember that Minecraft is the most optimized game ever
#901 [12:03] <ImperialOne> @Morrolan No, I know thats not good (bought for my friend on some czech page), it was cheaper by 8€ or some, i think it was one of thats hacked but i have to ask, you know.
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#903 [12:04] <billythekid2525> still dont know what to do about my promble with mcedit cause my map ant loading can someone help?
#904 [12:04] <netwired> turning graphics all the way down didn't help
#905 [12:04] <netwired> it just died on me
#906 [12:05] <Morrolan> ImperialOne - Then you got scammed. These "vendors" tend to revoke their payment to Mojang after a while, making your account non-premium.
#907 [12:05] <billythekid2525> hmmm....not sure than
#908 [12:06] <billythekid2525> sorry
#909 [12:06] <Morrolan> ImperialOne - Nothing you can do about that now, hope you learned your lesson. ;)
#910 [12:07] <billythekid2525> @netwired what type on computer you using?
#911 [12:08] <netwired> Windows 7 ultimate 64bit, 8gig ram, intel 2500k(not overclocked), 2x 1tera drives, HD6850 java 64bit
#912 [12:08] <billythekid2525> try useing java 32 bit
#913 [12:08] <billythekid2525> that might work
#914 [12:08] <sugoi> mmmm
#915 [12:09] <Morrolan> If on a 64 bit OS 64 bit JAva is the way to go.
#916 [12:09] <sugoi> 64bit should be great
#917 [12:09] <Morrolan> Else you'll end up with "out of memory" exceptions
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#919 [12:10] <sugoi> netwired: what error is it giving you when it dies?
#920 [12:10] <netwired> "Display Driver stopped responding"
#921 [12:10] <sugoi> :dxdiag
#922 [12:11] <billythekid2525> @morrolan can you help me figure out how why mcedit wont load my world?
#923 [12:11] <sugoi> netwired: can you give us a dxdiag report?
#924 [12:11] <sugoi> ?? > netwired win/dxdiag
#925 [12:11] * sugoi grumbles
#925 [12:11] <Morrolan> no space, sugoi.
#926 [12:11] <netwired> yes. you want me to paste here or in pm
#927 [12:11] <sugoi> ??> netwired win/dxdiag
#928 [12:11] <VoxelHead> netwired: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#929 [12:11] <Morrolan> billythekid2525 - Is this world using the new world format?
#930 [12:11] <VoxelHead> netwired: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
#931 [12:11] <netwired> k one sec
#932 [12:12] <sugoi> netwired: always best to paste large amounts of text in pastebin
#933 [12:12] <netwired> k
#934 [12:12] <netwired> http://pastebin.com/8kGYavpv
#935 [12:12] <billythekid2525> by that you mean the lastest update than yes
#936 [12:12] <billythekid2525> by that you mean the lastest update than yes
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#938 [12:13] <Schlovia> So Morrolan any more ideas about my skin issue? XD
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#940 [12:13] <Morrolan> billythekid2525 - There is no stable version of MCEdit avaiable right now which supports the new world format.
#941 [12:13] <Morrolan> Schlovia - No idea, really.
#942 [12:14] <billythekid2525> ooo ok so thats why it wont load will there one soon?
#943 [12:14] <Schlovia> XD the game gods hate me
#944 [12:14] <Morrolan> billythekid2525 - I don't know when exactly one will get released, but it can't be too long.
#945 [12:14] <billythekid2525> k thanks
#946 [12:14] <billythekid2525> well im off see ya
#947 [12:15] <sugoi> netwired: looks like you should be able to run it - best to get latest drivers - but first, did the game create an error report file?
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#950 [12:17] <sugoi> netwired2: did you lose connction? :(
#951 [12:17] <sugoi> netwired: looks like you should be able to run it - best to get latest drivers - but first, did the game create an error report file?
#952 [12:17] <netwired2> yes.. don't know what happened
#953 [12:17] <netwired2> skype didn't lose connection
#954 [12:17] <netwired2> skype didn't lose connection
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#958 [12:20] <Mingeraft> Schlovia, I don't know why you cannot change that.
#959 [12:20] <Mingeraft> Maybe contact Mojang or something like that.
#960 [12:21] <netwired2> sugoi did you get my pastebin?
#961 [12:21] <sugoi> netwired2: yeah, when you got the 'display stopped responding' error, did minecraft create a report file?
#962 [12:22] <netwired2> what is the minecraft error log name
#963 [12:23] <sugoi> hs_err_pid###
#964 [12:24] <netwired2> one sec
#965 [12:25] <ImperialOne> @Morrolan well that was for my friend, i have legal from mc.net
#966 [12:25] <netwired2> no doesn't produce an error log, it locks up minecraft with just a white screen
#967 [12:25] <ImperialOne> But i'm pretty sure he will replace my paiment, or I will say sometihng to him
#968 [12:26] <sugoi> netwired2: the place from which your run the launcher - we're hoping there a new file was created
#969 [12:26] <sugoi> netwired2: in the end, i'm likely going to recommend we get you the latest driver from amd for your card
#970 [12:26] <sugoi> netwired2: did minecraft run better before?
#971 [12:26] <netwired2> i run minecraft.exe from the desktop, no new file created there or in the .minecraft folder
#972 [12:26] <sugoi> ok
#973 [12:27] <netwired2> minecraft ran fine with 1.1
#974 [12:27] <Mingeraft> The charm of updating.
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#976 [12:28] <netwired2> event viewer shows this
#977 [12:28] <netwired2> http://pastebin.com/rxXNJmzd
#978 [12:30] <sugoi> i'd update my display driver
#979 [12:30] <sugoi> that's my best advice
#980 [12:30] <netwired2> i've updated to the most recent
#981 [12:31] <sugoi> netwired2: from control panel, or directly from amd
#982 [12:31] <netwired2> from amd
#983 [12:31] <sugoi> then i have no other suggestion if you are running the latest
#984 [12:31] <netwired2> downloaded the latest cat 12.1 drivers
#985 [12:32] <sugoi> if i were you, i'd check the forums, and see if a friend had not updated from 1.1 yet
#986 [12:32] <sugoi> :/
#987 [12:33] <netwired2> ...
#988 [12:33] <netwired2> thats disappointing
#989 [12:33] <sugoi> netwired2: does this happen in full screen?
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#991 [12:34] <netwired2> full screen and windowed
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#993 [12:34] <sugoi> bc i have a perfectly good laptop that gets mad at fullscreen, so i just run it in max-size window instead
#994 [12:38] <netwired2> well, i'll just keep trying. thanks for your help
#995 [12:38] <sugoi> netwired2: follow the forums
#996 [12:38] <sugoi> netwired2: new issues with the update may be resolved over time
#997 [12:39] <netwired2> yeah im sure it will
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#1000 [12:51] <zergdog> Hey guys, my account use to be preium :/
#1001 [12:51] <sugoi> wa-oh
#1002 [12:52] <sugoi> zergdog: where did you buy the game from?
#1003 [12:52] <sugoi> zergdog: what is your account name?
#1004 [12:52] <zergdog> from the mincecraft site
#1005 [12:52] <zergdog> and zergdog is my acct name
#1006 [12:52] <sugoi> zergdog: mincecraft? :) or minecraft.net?
#1007 [12:52] <zergdog> i submitted a ticket 2 weeks ago
#1008 [12:52] <sugoi> ;hp zergdog
#1009 [12:52] <zergdog> yes minecraft.net
#1010 [12:52] <WugBot> zergdog has NOT paid for minecraft.
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#1012 [12:52] <zergdog> i got all the info to prove it was paid for
#1013 [12:53] <sugoi> zergdog: when you bought the game, did you get a purchase id - email from mojang?
#1014 [12:53] <zergdog> since i had prem for like 2 weeks
#1015 [12:53] <zergdog> i got a trans #
#1016 [12:53] <zergdog> i can look for a purchase id if u want
#1017 [12:53] <sugoi> it won't help me
#1018 [12:53] <sugoi> it's not for me
#1019 [12:53] <sugoi> zergdog: send that info, probably a copy of the entire email, to mojang support
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#1021 [12:54] <zergdog> I have before.. ZERO response
#1022 [12:54] <Blockhead> Hiya! Need help: My minecraft keeps CTD'ing. It'll artifact/error, crash, and I'll get a message saying my nvidia kernel stopped working but was able to recover. This has been happening for months. Minecraft is unplayable now, as it crashes after 3-6 mins. :(
#1023 [12:54] <zergdog> are you supposed to get get a purchase id from mojang when you buy the game?
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#1025 [12:55] <EyesIsMine> probably yes
#1026 [12:56] <zergdog> via e-mail ?
#1027 [12:57] <zergdog> sigh...
#1028 [12:57] <zergdog> just wish i could get my acct fixed
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#1030 [12:57] <zergdog> i put in a ticket every week my acct been broke and havent gotten a single response
#1031 [12:57] <Blockhead> Does anyone have any insight as to why I'm seeing that CTD?
#1032 [12:57] <Nathan2055> I'm now open to help.
#1033 [12:58] <Nathan2055> What was your problem zergdog?
#1034 [12:58] <Nathan2055> What do you mean your account is broken?
#1035 [12:58] <zergdog> My acct was premium for like 2 weeks then i lost it one day
#1036 [12:58] <zergdog> which was like 2 weeks ago
#1037 [12:58] <Nathan2055> You mean on the forums?
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#1039 [12:59] <zergdog> status that says i own the game
#1040 [12:59] <Nathan2055> Did you buy the game?
#1041 [12:59] <zergdog> yes
#1042 [12:59] <zergdog> 1/31/2012
#1043 [12:59] <Nathan2055> Okay, then this is a Mojang account issue.
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#1045 [12:59] <Nathan2055> Let me get you a link that will help you.
#1046 [12:59] <zergdog> I know ... BUT THEY DONT RESPOND!
#1047 [12:59] <zergdog> its been 2 weeks
#1048 [13:00] <Nathan2055> Maybe your not contacting them through the right form.
#1049 [13:00] <zergdog> ok..
#1050 [13:01] <Nathan2055> zergdog: Did you buy the code from Minecraft.net?
#1051 [13:01] <zergdog> i didnt buy the code just the game
#1052 [13:02] <Nathan2055> I know.
#1053 [13:02] <Nathan2055> Did you buy it from Minecraft.net?
#1054 [13:02] <zergdog> yes
#1055 [13:02] <BliND> do you guys know Improved Chat?
#1056 [13:02] <BliND> the mod
#1057 [13:02] <Nathan2055> zergdog: Okay. Please see http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/359446-when-will-i-hear-back-.
#1058 [13:03] <Nathan2055> BliND: This is not a mod discussion channel. Please visit #risucraft.
#1059 [13:03] <BliND> risucraft soudns like the name of a server
#1060 [13:03] <Nathan2055> Oops, it grabbed the period
#1061 [13:03] <zergdog> So your saying it be like another 2 weeks then ...
#1062 [13:03] <zergdog> great...
#1063 [13:03] <Nathan2055> #risucraft
#1064 [13:03] <sugoi> zergdog:
#1065 [13:03] <Nathan2055> zergdog: Change your password.
#1066 [13:04] <zergdog> tried it 3 times
#1067 [13:04] <sugoi> zergdog: use this ticket form: http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/emails/new
#1068 [13:04] <zergdog> already have a ticket in for the I use to have preium
#1069 [13:04] <sugoi> i'm sorry - this would frustrate me as well
#1070 [13:05] <Blockhead> Anyone have any insight re: my crash to desktop/nvidia kernel issue?
#1071 [13:05] <Nathan2055> zergdog: If you read the link I gave you above, they are working on emails from 1/29/12 today.
#1072 [13:05] <sugoi> Blockhead: i would remove and install latest nvidia drivers directly from nvidia
#1073 [13:05] <zergdog> I know i saw which means it be like another 2 weeks
#1074 [13:06] <Nathan2055> BliND: I'm talking about #risucraft
#1075 [13:06] <Nathan2055> It's a mod support channel.
#1076 [13:06] <Blockhead> @Sugoi: Agreed. I've done that several times. :-/
#1077 [13:06] <BliND> yeah, just joined it, why did they name it that? :P
#1078 [13:06] <Blockhead> Any other suggestions?
#1079 [13:07] <Nathan2055> BliND: After Risugami, who wrote ModLoader.
#1080 [13:07] <sugoi> Blockhead: email nvidia support, maybe your card is dieing?
#1081 [13:07] <BliND> OH! ic
#1082 [13:07] <Blockhead> Hm. Does it make a differnce that this ONLY happens when playing MinecrafT?
#1083 [13:08] <Blockhead> Otherwise, never any issues with any other graphically intensive games.
#1084 [13:08] <DreadLindwyrm> It could be that it's calling a function other games don't tend to. The coding is a little idiosyncratic.
#1085 [13:08] <DreadLindwyrm> It could be that it's calling a function other games don't tend to. The coding is a little idiosyncratic.
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#1087 [13:09] <sugoi> Blockhead: well i blame java
#1088 [13:09] <sugoi> java is a pile of dung, if you ask me :)
#1089 [13:09] <Eddie> The language or the platform?
#1090 [13:09] <Eddie> I only think the language is.
#1091 [13:10] <sugoi> i don't have any really good reasons - mostly i'm just biased towards other platforms
#1092 [13:10] <sugoi> AND languages
#1093 [13:10] <sugoi> i'm just using java as the scapegoat
#1094 [13:10] <Eddie> I'm not convinced Minecraft is slow because of Java.
#1095 [13:11] <Blockhead> Any idea then, how to fix the JAva issue?
#1096 [13:11] <sugoi> Blockhead: if nvidia kernel is crashing, i'd try to get nvidia cleaned up
#1097 [13:11] <sugoi> Eddie: no, i think minecraft is computationally expensive by design, really
#1098 [13:12] <Eddie> With how simplistic it is?
#1099 [13:12] <sugoi> Eddie: heck yes - it does a lot more than a typical game
#1100 [13:12] <sugoi> it has literally thousands and millions of blocks to consider
#1101 [13:13] <Eddie> Same for polygons in other games?
#1102 [13:13] <sugoi> games typical use surfaces to simplify planes
#1103 [13:13] <Nathan2055> Hey, does anyone know if cats auto-heal?
#1104 [13:14] <Eddie> Nope
#1105 [13:15] <Nathan2055> Eddie: Is that at me?
#1106 [13:15] <Eddie> Yes
#1107 [13:15] <Eddie> Nope I don't know.
#1108 [13:15] <Nathan2055> Well, I can't feed them like with wolves.
#1109 [13:15] <Nathan2055> Hmm...
#1110 [13:16] <DreadLindwyrm> fish IIRC
#1111 [13:16] <sugoi> Eddie: minecraft doesn't try to push all the blocks at the gpu, it tries to find the blocks on surfaces, then pushes those
#1112 [13:17] <Eddie> Okay.
#1113 [13:17] <sugoi> if can assume # of polys to be the same, mc has more work up front to find the surfaces it wants to push
#1114 [13:18] <Eddie> Acknowledged.
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#1116 [13:18] <kkk> hey
#1117 [13:18] <kkk> youtube.com//funnyman69ers
#1118 [13:18] <kkk> youtube.com//funnyman69ers
#1119 [13:18] <kkk> youtube.com//funnyman69ers
#1120 [13:19] <sugoi> ;kick kkk
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#1122 [13:19] <Eddie> Nicely done *nods*
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#1124 [13:20] <sugoi> i do think some optimizations can be made (i work in graphics myself) i'm sure they are working on that in each release
#1125 [13:20] <sugoi> Eddie: it's an interesting problem, different in ways
#1126 [13:20] <lilybet> How long will it take to get and email after buying the game
#1127 [13:21] <Eddie> Thanks for your enlightenment ^.^
#1128 [13:22] <Nathan2055> @lilybet: See http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/329519-when-will-i-receive-my-premium-status-
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#1130 [13:28] <bolosaur> Is there a way to contact Mojang about support issues?
#1131 [13:28] <bolosaur> Or rather, is there a way to contact Mojang support about MC issues?
#1132 [13:29] <Nathan2055> What is your problem, we might be able to help you.
#1133 [13:29] <bolosaur> Ok.
#1134 [13:29] <bolosaur> The Minecraft applet won't load.
#1135 [13:29] <Nathan2055> Are you opening the Minecraft.exe or minecraft.jar?
#1136 [13:29] <bolosaur> I'm running minecraft.jar from within Firefox.
#1137 [13:30] <bolosaur> On minecraft.net.
#1138 [13:30] <Nathan2055> You can't run a Minecraft.jar.
#1139 [13:30] <Nathan2055> You need to go to http://www.minecraft.net/download
#1140 [13:30] <Nathan2055> Then get Minecraft for Windows.
#1141 [13:30] <bolosaur> Yes you can.
#1142 [13:31] <Nathan2055> Run it, log in, and yo're in Minecraft.
#1143 [13:31] <bolosaur> You can invoke the JAR from within a browser using Java runtime browser plugins.
#1144 [13:31] <Nathan2055> *You're
#1145 [13:31] <bolosaur> Hence the "browser" option when playing.
#1146 [13:31] <Nathan2055> Yes, but running it in the browser tends to not work as well.
#1147 [13:31] <bolosaur> then why do they offer it
#1148 [13:31] <Nathan2055> They just do.
#1149 [13:32] <bolosaur> ive been playing in the browser for more than a year
#1150 [13:32] <bolosaur> and now it suddenly stopped working
#1151 [13:32] <Nathan2055> I mean, it works but the exe is faster and smother.
#1152 [13:32] <bolosaur> so clearly it's a bug
#1153 [13:32] <bolosaur> I don't want to run an exe
#1154 [13:32] <bolosaur> i want to run it in the browser
#1155 [13:32] <Nathan2055> Might be a problem with 1.2.3.
#1156 [13:33] <Nathan2055> Try just using the exe to update if you really want to play in browser.
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#1158 [13:33] <jhjdf> yo homies
#1159 [13:33] <Morrolan> I don't think anyone here is your "homie"
#1160 [13:33] <Nathan2055> If you really don't want to use the exe, then you can manually update, but I don't recommend it.
#1161 [13:33] <jhjdf> u know where i can watch aftermath online free? can't find it anywhere
#1162 [13:34] <Nathan2055> This is a Minecraft help channel.
#1163 [13:34] <Morrolan> Yea, google.com
#1164 [13:34] <bolosaur> Nathan2055: I'm on OSX.
#1165 [13:34] <bolosaur> So I can't get the exe in either case.
#1166 [13:34] <Nathan2055> Only for people who need help with the PC game Minecraft.
#1167 [13:34] <jhjdf> i googled it nothing came up its like this show doesn't exist
#1168 [13:34] <Nathan2055> bolosaur: Well, then there is another way.
#1169 [13:34] <Morrolan> You really are in the wrong channel, jhjdf. ;)
#1170 [13:35] <Nathan2055> You can install Minecraft using the Mac OS X zip.
#1171 [13:35] <Nathan2055> Head over to http://www.minecraft.net/download.
#1172 [13:35] <Nathan2055> Hit all platforms.
#1173 [13:35] <jhjdf> nathen2055 , que pasa what's up homes?
#1174 [13:35] <bolosaur> I really don't want to run it from within the OS. I don't want to install anything.
#1175 [13:35] * Morrolan kicked jhjdf from #minecrafthelp (Reason: hjdf :Go away, you smell.)
#1176 [13:35] <Nathan2055> Somebody kick jhdf.
#1177 [13:35] <bolosaur> I just want to run it from within the browser like I always have done.
#1178 [13:35] <bolosaur> I don't understand why it won't work.
#1179 [13:36] <Nathan2055> bolosaur: Well, okay.
#1180 [13:36] <Nathan2055> Let me give you manual update instructions.
#1181 [13:36] <bolosaur> When I run it, it gives me 4 Java prompts
#1182 [13:36] <bolosaur> to accept the jar
#1183 [13:36] <bolosaur> and then the screen turns white
#1184 [13:36] <Nathan2055> One second please.
#1185 [13:36] <bolosaur> so it might be a security issue
#1186 [13:37] <Nathan2055> bolosaur: I think it's a crashing error.
#1187 [13:37] <bolosaur> a java security issue rather
#1188 [13:37] <Nathan2055> Let's manually delete your current copy of Minecraft.jar and see if that fixes it.
#1189 [13:37] <Nathan2055> One second while I write instructions.
#1190 [13:38] <Morrolan> ??> Nathan2055 mac/reinst
#1191 [13:38] <VoxelHead> Nathan2055: (mac/reinst) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#1192 [13:38] <VoxelHead> Nathan2055: (mac/reinst) To do so, in the Finder, from the Go menu, select Home. Then open Library, Application Support, and then minecraft. Drag the bin and resources folders to the trash, then try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
#1193 [13:38] <Morrolan> How about these?
#1194 [13:38] <sugoi> bolosaur: still here?
#1195 [13:39] <Nathan2055> Morrolan: I really need to learn how to use VoxelHead.
#1196 [13:39] <Mingeraft> I can't believe that lily pads are so hard they can destroy boats.
#1197 [13:39] <Nathan2055> Mingeraft: It's a bug.
#1198 [13:39] <Morrolan> Heh. Quick rundown: ?? <keyword> to show in public, ??> <name> <keyword> to direct in public, ??>> <name> <keyword> to direct in private.
#1199 [13:40] <Nathan2055> Is there a test channel.
#1200 [13:40] <Morrolan> Oh, and ??< <keyword> to check for yourself.
#1201 [13:40] <Morrolan> ##Voxelhead
#1202 [13:40] <bolosaur> sugoi: Yes.
#1203 [13:40] <sugoi> bolosaur: when you run in the browser, it is still downloading all the same files
#1204 [13:40] <sugoi> so it is just as 'installed'
#1205 [13:41] <bolosaur> sugoi: What do you mean?
#1206 [13:41] <sugoi> bolosaur: the files are stored in the same place as the game 'install'
#1207 [13:41] <sugoi> but instead of `[harddrive]/java [minecraft]/minecraft.jar`
#1208 [13:41] <Nathan2055> ??< help
#1209 [13:42] <Nathan2055> ??< index
#1210 [13:42] <sugoi> you have `[browser] [minecraft]/minecraft.jar` essentially
#1211 [13:43] <sugoi> bolosaur: does that make any sense?
#1212 [13:43] <bolosaur> No, I have no idea what you're talking about. :/
#1213 [13:43] <sugoi> bolosaur: you said you didn't want to install the game
#1214 [13:43] <bolosaur> I don't even understand what you're trying to explain or help me with.
#1215 [13:43] <bolosaur> Or what you think my problem is.
#1216 [13:43] <sugoi> you just want to play from the browser
#1217 [13:43] <bolosaur> Yes
#1218 [13:43] <sugoi> and i'm saying - there is not difference in what is "installed"
#1219 [13:43] <Nathan2055> Morrolan: I wrote a PasteBin with basic directions so I won't forget. It's at https://gist.github.com/1967409 in case you want to teach someone else.
#1220 [13:43] <bolosaur> Nathan2055 and Morrolan: I reinstalled Minecraft, but when it hits 100%, Java asks me to verify the security of the JAR four times in a row
#1221 [13:43] <bolosaur> at whihc point the screen goes blank
#1222 [13:44] <Nathan2055> bolosaur: Let's update Java.
#1223 [13:44] <bolosaur> Nathan2055: I already reinstalled it yesterday in an attempt to solve this.
#1224 [13:44] <Nathan2055> Go to http://java.com/en/download/installed.jsp and see if you have the latest patch.
#1225 [13:44] <bolosaur> sugoi: Sure there is. When I install it, I actively download it and put it in my apps folder and run it from my PC rather than from the applet
#1226 [13:45] <sugoi> bolosaur: when you run from browser, you get the same files, put in the same place. you are just running those files with the browser, rather than with java alone
#1227 [13:45] <sugoi> bolosaur: the applet asks for your permission to download content, and it is placing those install files in the same place
#1228 [13:45] <bolosaur> sugoi: No, it places my files in a hidden library folder
#1229 [13:45] <bolosaur> and I don't have to manage the files
#1230 [13:45] <bolosaur> Nathan2055: Mac Users:Use the Software Update feature (available on the Apple menu) to check that you have the most up-to-date version of Java for your Mac.
#1231 [13:45] <sugoi> bolosaur: the ONLY file you think you are controlling the placement of is the launcher - you can run minecraft with java directly without even using the launcher
#1232 [13:46] <Nathan2055> bolosaur: You install it either way. You either play through your browser (which in my experience is slower) or from an app.
#1233 [13:46] <bolosaur> Nathan2055: And my Apple software manager says everything is up to date.
#1234 [13:46] <bolosaur> Nathan2055: Yes, I understand what caching is.
#1235 [13:46] <sugoi> bolosaur: precisely, running the laucnher places those SAME files in the SAME hidden folder
#1236 [13:46] <bolosaur> sugoi: No, downloading it manually would place it in the folder of my choice, not a hidden folder.
#1237 [13:46] <Aikar> any tips on making MC sound not stutter on linux?
#1238 [13:46] <bolosaur> and I would have to manage/run the file.
#1239 [13:46] <Nathan2055> bolosaur: Sorry, I'm on Windows (at least for now).
#1240 [13:46] <sugoi> bolosaur: the only choice you're making is with the launcher
#1241 [13:47] <Nathan2055> Aikar: Do you have the latest update?
#1242 [13:47] <sugoi> Aikar: how is sound with other games?
#1243 [13:47] <bolosaur> When you run a Java application from within a browser applet, it will cache the JAR file and place it in a hidden folder on your computer. When you download it manually, you place it in the folder of your choice and run it like any OS-native application. How is this hard to understand?
#1244 [13:47] <bolosaur> There is a clear difference there.
#1245 [13:47] <sugoi> bolosaur: the applet has the choice to do that, yes, but the minecraft applet is choosing to read the files from the install path, or place them there
#1246 [13:48] <Nathan2055> bolosaur: Actually, with Minecraft it goes in a hidden folder either way.
#1247 [13:48] <bolosaur> Nathan2055: Then how would you launch it if it's hidden-away?
#1248 [13:48] <Nathan2055> Via the app.
#1249 [13:48] <bolosaur> Yes, and the app is located in your folder.
#1250 [13:48] <Nathan2055> It load the files for you.
#1251 [13:48] <sugoi> bolosaur: i bet on mac it's [user]/.minecraft/
#1252 [13:48] <Nathan2055> bolosaur: How does that make a difference?
#1253 [13:49] <sugoi> bolosaur: os: `java ~/.minecraft/minecraft.jar`
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#1255 [13:49] <sugoi> so*, no 'os' :)
#1256 [13:49] <bolosaur> When you download an app YOU choose the destination. When you run an applet, the app is cached to a HIDDEN destination. There is a CLEAR difference there, which is that in the former case you need to manage your game like an application, but in the latter case you just need to run it from within the brower.
#1257 [13:49] <bolosaur> browser*
#1258 [13:50] <bolosaur> It's irrelevant whether it uses the same JAR or not.
#1259 [13:50] <sugoi> bolosaur: when you download the 'game', and you store and manage it, you are ONLY managing a script, basically, which executes something like `java ~/.minecraft/minecraft.jar`
#1260 [13:50] <bolosaur> <bolosaur> It's irrelevant whether it uses the same JAR or not. <--<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<<-<-<---- OK???
#1261 [13:50] <sugoi> bolosaur: that ONE file you are managing, is like 250kb
#1262 [13:51] <bolosaur> <bolosaur> It's irrelevant whether it uses the same JAR or not. <--<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<<-<-<---- OK??? <-------------
#1263 [13:51] <sugoi> haha
#1264 [13:51] <Nathan2055> bolosaur: If you got the app now, it would read the files from your browser game.
#1265 [13:51] <sugoi> ok, bolosaur, you're right, sorry for trying to help you understand
#1266 [13:51] <bolosaur> I do understand how it works, but I have already addressed what you are saying.
#1267 [13:51] <Nathan2055> What your saying makes no since.
#1268 [13:51] <bolosaur> Over and over and over.
#1269 [13:51] <bolosaur> All you're saying is that it uses the same JAR
#1270 [13:51] <bolosaur> I have already responded to that.
#1271 [13:51] <Nathan2055> No, the same folder!
#1272 [13:52] <Nathan2055> We are not talking about the jar!
#1273 [13:52] <bolosaur> Yes. Source files. Whatever.
#1274 [13:52] <Nathan2055> There is a folder called .minecraft that stores all of your data and saves, plus the jar,
#1275 [13:52] <bolosaur> I KNOW THIS
#1276 [13:52] <bolosaur> But you STILL NEED A LAUNCHER
#1277 [13:52] <bolosaur> I HAVE TOLD YOU A THOUSAND TIMES
#1278 [13:52] <bolosaur> JESUS
#1279 [13:52] <Nathan2055> This folder is the same whether you use the app or applet.
#1280 [13:52] <bolosaur> I KNOW
#1281 [13:53] <bolosaur> aaaaaargh
#1282 [13:53] <bolosaur> how dense can you get
#1283 [13:53] <Nathan2055> There is no difference.
#1284 [13:53] <bolosaur> nevermind.
#1285 [13:53] <bolosaur> YES THERE IS
#1286 [13:53] <bolosaur> fffffffffffff
#1287 [13:53] <bolosaur> fffffffffffff
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#1289 [13:53] <Nathan2055> sugoi: That was weird.
#1290 [13:53] <Nathan2055> Do you understand what he was saying?
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#1292 [13:55] <Nathan2055> sugoi?
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#1294 [14:09] <Nathan2055> ??< wireshark
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#1296 [14:27] <Aikar> sugoi: its a known problem with linux and MC. wanted to know if any known workarounds.
#1297 [14:28] <Aikar> i tried the latest LWJGL but didnt help
#1298 [14:44] <Mingeraft> I can't believe this. A guy that is hosting a server wants to get paid 300$ to give a creative mode for players. And actually, a few people already paid.
#1299 [14:44] <Mingeraft> The world is so horrible right now. Paying for something they already have.
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#1301 [14:52] <Mingeraft> clear
#1302 [14:52] <Mingeraft> You're good to go!
#1303 [14:56] <clarjon1> .....
#1304 [14:56] <clarjon1> Mingeraft: he wants ppl to pay $300 to type in /gamemode playername 1?
#1305 [14:58] <Mingeraft> Yep.
#1306 [15:00] <Mingeraft> Also, I have discovered a horrible truth.
#1307 [15:00] <Mingeraft> It seems that pigs have heads inside their asses.
#1308 [15:04] <Mingeraft> Is there something I don't know?
#1309 [15:04] <Mingeraft> I just have found a weird structure made by the world generator.
#1310 [15:04] <Mingeraft> It looks like a well, but it's made out of sandstone.
#1311 [15:05] <Mingeraft> What key is for making screenshots? I'll show you.
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#1313 [15:07] <Nathan2055> AuBot?
#1314 [15:07] <Nathan2055> That's weird, AuBot didn't say his normal thing.
#1315 [15:09] <clarjon1> Mingeraft: f2
#1316 [15:10] <Mingeraft> http://i.imgur.com/WbgtN.png
#1317 [15:10] <Mingeraft> Just look at that.
#1318 [15:11] <Mingeraft> I just stumbled into it.
#1319 [15:11] <Nathan2055> That's a desert well.
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#1321 [15:11] <Nathan2055> They were just added in 1.2.
#1322 [15:11] <Mingeraft> What? I didn't know.
#1323 [15:12] <Nathan2055> They don't do much right now.
#1324 [15:12] <Nathan2055> But they may have something to do with the two new sandstone textures that were added and remain unused.
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#1326 [15:12] <Mingeraft> I thought there were nomads.
#1327 [15:13] <Nathan2055> In Minecraft?
#1328 [15:13] <Nathan2055> Not yet.
#1329 [15:13] <Nathan2055> Maybe in the future, though.
#1330 [15:18] <Mingeraft> Notch should make it possible to gather cocoa seeds from jungle plants.
#1331 [15:20] <Nathan2055> Mingeraft: Yeah!
#1332 [15:20] <Nathan2055> But, I found a dungeon is my current map, so I'm good.
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#1334 [15:26] <clarjon1> Mingeraft: you mean jeb should
#1335 [15:27] <clarjon1> nooo... he wouldn't....
#1336 [15:27] <clarjon1> you don't think they're gonna add thirst next, do ya?
#1337 [15:27] <Nathan2055> Clarjon1: I doubt it.
#1338 [15:43] <Mingeraft> Oh my god.
#1339 [15:43] <Mingeraft> My damn heart.
#1340 [15:43] <Mingeraft> I saw a group of three wolves, I killed two, and I thought the last one is in the water, but the bastard has sneaked behind me.
#1341 [15:44] <Nathan2055> As they say: "Protip: Don't attack wolves."
#1342 [15:44] <Mingeraft> They're easy to kill, just a double-slash with the iron sword and it goes down.
#1343 [15:45] <Nathan2055> Yes, but it's like fighting Pigmen.
#1344 [15:45] <Mingeraft> At least pigmen alert you.
#1345 [15:53] <Nathan2055> It's been three real days since I started this map, and I just heard the cave sound for the first time!
#1346 [15:54] <Mingeraft> Hmm... What about mercenaries that can be seen in the villages that can be hired to protect you?
#1347 [15:54] <Nathan2055> And it was an opening I made!
#1348 [15:54] <Nathan2055> Mingeraft: That's Tale of Kingdoms.
#1349 [15:54] <Mingeraft> I've never played that game.
#1350 [15:55] <Nathan2055> It's a mod for Minecraft.
#1351 [15:55] <Nathan2055> www.minecraftforum.net/topic/751960-
#1352 [15:55] <Nathan2055> http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/751960-
#1353 [15:56] <Mingeraft> CAnnot see.
#1354 [15:56] <Mingeraft> Overload
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#1356 [15:56] <Nathan2055> Keep refreshing and you'll get through.
#1357 [15:56] <Mingeraft> No way I'll download that.
#1358 [15:57] <Mingeraft> Mainly because to use this modification, I need other modifications, which are in the horrible websites full of advertisements that give you a shit funding.
#1359 [15:57] <Mingeraft> "I know it won't get me anything but I'll place my modification at adf.ly to piss people off lol!"
#1360 [15:57] <Nathan2055> Ad.fly?
#1361 [15:57] <Mingeraft> Yes, that.
#1362 [15:57] <Mingeraft> Also MediaFire.
#1363 [15:58] <Nathan2055> Just use AdBlock.
#1364 [15:58] <Nathan2055> Besides, devs get 5 bucks for every 1000 hits on ad.fly.
#1365 [15:58] <Mingeraft> I'm just asking for a direct download if possible.
#1366 [15:58] <Nathan2055> I'd like that too.
#1367 [15:59] <Mingeraft> Also, man, why not just ask for donation if people think he did a good job?
#1368 [15:59] <Nathan2055> But ModLoader is a big-time mod in the way that every mod uses it?
#1369 [15:59] <Nathan2055> He does.
#1370 [15:59] <Nathan2055> He gets money through that too.
#1371 [16:00] <Mingeraft> That Risugami guy.
#1372 [16:01] <Nathan2055> What?
#1373 [16:01] <Mingeraft> Nothing, nothing.
#1374 [16:01] <Nathan2055> #risucraft (the modding channel) was named after him because he did a good job on ModLoader.
#1375 [16:02] <Mingeraft> Yeah, but the channel is full of horrible now.
#1376 [16:02] <Mingeraft> One time they talk about pissing in someone's ass, and one time they talk about putting glass sticks inside urethas. (The penis holes)
#1377 [16:03] <Nathan2055> Yes, but occasionally they'll help you.
#1378 [16:04] <Mingeraft> In my current place, the only thing they will tell me to do is to leave.
#1379 [16:04] <Mingeraft> :D
#1380 [16:04] <Nathan2055> Usually after screaming "IS THIS A MODDING HELP CHANNEL OR NOT?!"
#1381 [16:04] <Mingeraft> No, it was a year ago.
#1382 [16:04] * Nathan2055 shrugs
#1382 [16:09] <Mingeraft> 1.5 BETA was in 2010?
#1383 [16:09] <Nathan2055> Well, I'm off.
#1384 [16:09] <Nathan2055> Bye!
#1385 [16:10] <DreadLindwyrm> Yes, but that was the old numbering system
#1386 [16:10] <Morrolan> Just imagine a "0." in front of all the Beta versions, much less confusing.
#1387 [16:10] <Mingeraft> Well, then 0.15_01
#1388 [16:11] <Mingeraft> So, I think I'm playing Minecraft for two years now.
#1389 [16:11] <Morrolan> Ofcourse you've then got a suddend jump from 0.1.9 to 1.0, which doesn't make sense either, but whatever. ^^
#1390 [16:11] <Morrolan> Ah, yea.
#1391 [16:11] <Morrolan> Time goes by quickly. :)
#1392 [16:12] <Mingeraft> Also I've noticed that skeleton raiders are more common now.
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#1395 [16:19] <sugoi> Aikar: mc sound on gentoo works for me
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#1401 [16:35] <Aidono> Hi. When I press F3 I see all kind of info but i'm missing the numbers floating above mobs their heads. Is that feature gone ?
#1402 [16:36] <Morrolan> Yep, that feature was removed a few updates ago.
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#1404 [16:38] <SuIly> I downloaded and installed the Elemental arrows Mod, but no matter what I do it just doesn't work =/
#1405 [16:38] <Morrolan> "Doesn't work" being?
#1406 [16:38] <Aidono> Well, I was a regular player until half a year ago. I just finished building a 16x16 hole 64 deep with platforms for spawning... The loot is nowhere as high as I remember :/
#1407 [16:39] <Mingeraft> I don't understand.
#1408 [16:39] <SuIly> Nothing changed after I installed it.
#1409 [16:39] <GreyVulpine> SuIly - Did you download and install both Modloader 1.2.3 and Elemental Arrows 1.2.3 from: http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/75440-v123-risugamis-mods-everything-mostly-updated/
#1410 [16:39] <SuIly> Yeah I did all that but nothing changed.
#1411 [16:39] <GreyVulpine> Did you attempt to craft those arrows according to the recipe laid out in the directions?
#1412 [16:40] <SuIly> Yup :(
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#1414 [16:40] <GreyVulpine> SuIly - What operating system are you running?
#1415 [16:41] <Mingeraft> I don't think the OS he's running would make the modification not work.
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#1417 [16:41] <SuIly> 32 bit Windows 7, is that what you're looking for?
#1418 [16:41] <GreyVulpine> It would help, since I'm trying to find the modloader.txt file that contains the log
#1419 [16:41] <Rekoms> Hello, im new and was consideirng buying the game is it a onetime buy or monthly payment of 27USD?
#1420 [16:41] <GreyVulpine> Rekoms - Onetime
#1421 [16:41] <DreadLindwyrm> one off
#1422 [16:41] <GreyVulpine> Yes. Go to your start menu, in the search bar, type in: %appdata%
#1423 [16:42] <Rekoms> alright thanks :)
#1424 [16:42] <SuIly> Me?
#1425 [16:42] <GreyVulpine> SuIly - After putting in %appdata% and pressing enter, find the .minecraft folder. Go inside. Find the modloader.txt file
#1426 [16:42] <SuIly> okay give me a sec.
#1427 [16:42] <GreyVulpine> SuIly - Copy everything inside the file to pastebin.com and give us the URL
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#1429 [16:44] <SuIly> I can't seem to find it :( So I must have done something wrong during the installation. No worries I have to go anyway, thanks for the help though.
#1430 [16:49] <Mingeraft> You're trying to help people, but they suddenly need to go.
#1431 [16:49] <Mingeraft> That's very suspicious!
#1432 [16:54] <Morrolan> Less work for us. :P
#1433 [16:54] <Morrolan> But it's kinda strange indeed.
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#1435 [16:54] <Mingeraft> I don't know if that's because they're afraid of fixing the problem.
#1436 [16:55] <GreyVulpine> Really not that strange.
#1437 [16:55] <Morrolan> I'd say he suddendly found out that actually the mod is working, and that it was just Pebcak. :P
#1438 [16:56] <DreadLindwyrm> It's also possible he can't find the folder and needs to look for it.
#1439 [16:56] <Morrolan> "not that strange"? Well, there are loads of people who leave if they don't get an answer within a minute, but I don't get that many who leave in the middle of having received instructions.
#1440 [16:56] <DreadLindwyrm> I've found my Win7 PC keeps hiding folders :(
#1441 [16:57] <GreyVulpine> If modloader.txt wasn't found in %appdata%/.minecraft/, then modloader wasn't properly installed
#1442 [16:58] <GreyVulpine> Betting he just put modloader and the plugin for it, in the texturepacks folder.
#1443 [16:58] <GreyVulpine> If he started installation and it goofed, minecraft wouldn't launch correctly
#1444 [16:58] <Sporkin> hey, another stupid question - i keep taming wolves, commanding them to sit in a safe area, then most of them are gone when I relog. Is there a reason for that?
#1445 [16:58] <Morrolan> Makes sense I guess.
#1446 [16:59] <GreyVulpine> Just an unbased assumption, will never know, I guess
#1447 [16:59] <Morrolan> Sporkin - Wolves tend to suddendly appear behind you even if told to sit, but I've never had any disappear.
#1448 [16:59] <Sporkin> i see
#1449 [17:00] <Sporkin> it's happened kinda consistently to me. about 6 or 7 wolves over a few days
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#1451 [17:03] <Quasimoder> hi there
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#1453 [17:05] <Quasimoder> is there a solution to play mc on LAN only (with legal mc, non cracked or hacked) with more than one person on the same server? in offline mode you loose your name, right ?
#1454 [17:07] <GreyVulpine> By LAN only, you mean with absolutely no internet access?
#1455 [17:09] <Quasimoder> yes
#1456 [17:09] <Quasimoder> no internet to login befor local gaming
#1457 [17:10] <GreyVulpine> Then no, there currently is no way to do that with the official client
#1458 [17:10] <Quasimoder> hmm, ok
#1459 [17:10] <Quasimoder> thanks anyway
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#1463 [17:22] <Mingeraft> How do you exactly complete the achievement called: When Pigs Fly?
#1464 [17:22] <Mingeraft> I cannot lead the pig to jump off something!
#1465 [17:23] <sugoi> Mingeraft: put some tnt behind it
#1466 [17:23] <DreadLindwyrm> Run the pig up to a cliff and somehow force it up in the air. Can I recommend suitably damped TNT.
#1467 [17:23] <sugoi> DreadLindwyrm: HA, beat you
#1468 [17:23] <DreadLindwyrm> Meh. Typing speed with one hand.
#1469 [17:25] <Mingeraft> Okay, I will try the TNT, maybe that will work.
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#1471 [17:28] <gold> hey any word on the connection reset by peer bug?
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#1473 [17:29] <GreyVulpine> connection reset by peer?
#1474 [17:30] <gold> yeah it was introduced in 1.2 basically trying to connect to any server will result in a disconnect with the connection reset by peer msg after 1 second to 3 minutes averaging about 3 seconds
#1475 [17:31] <GreyVulpine> Ah, haven't played with 1.2. Connection reset by peer usually points to a network problem
#1476 [17:32] <gold> went down that road but between 1.1 servers working fine and etc it looks to be either client or server side
#1477 [17:38] <gold> gonna continue wandering around google for a fix then been at it for 34 hours theres gotta be a fix somewhere
#1478 [17:38] <gold> only clue i ahev so far is it's mainly canadian users having issues
#1479 [17:39] <langkid1> :D yay my rcon PHP script is finally done
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#1481 [17:54] <gold> yeah google's been mined dead no more data about the problem
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#1486 [18:20] <Mingeraft> *Explores the world to prevent lagging in the future, gets banned for making people lag*
#1487 [18:20] <Mingeraft> Sometimes I just cannot understand people.
#1488 [18:21] <Morrolan> *ahem*
#1489 [18:21] <Mingeraft> Wat.
#1490 [18:22] <Raistlinnn> MOrrolan speaks, silence.
#1491 [18:22] <Morrolan> *Server lags when someone is exploring* -> Not gonna play on such a server anyway :D
#1492 [18:22] <Morrolan> Haha.
#1493 [18:22] <Mingeraft> That's why I keep playing SP.
#1494 [18:23] <Raistlinnn> But there arent other people in sp.
#1495 [18:23] <Raistlinnn> "S"p
#1496 [18:23] <Raistlinnn> :(
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#1498 [18:23] <Mingeraft> I'm sociosomething.
#1499 [18:23] <Mingeraft> I mean, I don't really like people around me.
#1500 [18:23] <Raistlinnn> Oh.
#1501 [18:24] <Raistlinnn> Why are you irc?
#1502 [18:24] <Mingeraft> Because you don't ingerate in things I am doing.
#1503 [18:24] <GreyVulpine> antisocial?
#1504 [18:24] <GreyVulpine> Not socialpathic?
#1505 [18:24] <Raistlinnn> Both
#1506 [18:24] <Mingeraft> When I am doing something, I feel better when I am doing it alone. When there's someone around me, I think everything will be messed up because of that person.
#1507 [18:25] <Raistlinnn> They kill them.
#1508 [18:25] <Raistlinnn> then... *
#1509 [18:25] <Raistlinnn> Kill those little shits.
#1510 [18:25] <Morrolan> I don't think socialpathic is a word, GreyVulpine. ;)
#1511 [18:25] <Raistlinnn> Lol i just noticed the misspell
#1512 [18:25] <Morrolan> There's sociopathic but I don't think that's what he means. :P
#1513 [18:26] * GreyVulpine blames being distracted
#1513 [18:26] <Raistlinnn> Thats what I thought he meant.
#1514 [18:26] <Morrolan> But antisocial might be it I guess. ^^
#1515 [18:26] <Morrolan> Or asocial, maybe.
#1516 [18:26] <Morrolan> Wiktionary to the rescue. \o/
#1517 [18:26] <Eddie> XENOPHOBIC
#1518 [18:26] * Eddie takes out guns
#1518 [18:26] <Raistlinnn> run
#1519 [18:26] <GreyVulpine> !wiki asocial
#1520 [18:26] <GreyBot> Wikipedia Found: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asociality
#1521 [18:26] <GreyBot> Asociality is a symptom frequently observed in schizophrenia patients. It is characterised by an inability to 'empathise', to feel intimacy with, or to form close relationships with others (Davidson & Neale 1994).
#1522 [18:27] <Morrolan> "asocial and antisocial are often used interchangeably in colloquial speech, but they are not the same thing; asocial means "avoidant of society" while antisocial means "hostile toward society"." so, which one is it, Mingeraft?
#1523 [18:27] <Mingeraft> I just don't like people >:C
#1524 [18:27] <Raistlinnn> KILL THEM!
#1525 [18:27] <Morrolan> I guess that'd be "asocial" then. :D
#1526 [18:28] <Raistlinnn> Well if he takes my advice then it would be antisocial
#1527 [18:28] <Raistlinnn> "hostility torwards society"
#1528 [18:28] <Morrolan> If he did take your advice it'd be "sociopathic" I think.
#1529 [18:28] <Raistlinnn> Oh...
#1530 [18:28] <Mingeraft> Lets start the debate!
#1531 [18:28] <Raistlinnn> !wiki sociopathic
#1532 [18:28] <GreyBot> Wikipedia Found: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder
#1533 [18:28] <GreyBot> Antisocial personality disorder (ASPD) is described by the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, fourth edition (DSM-IV-TR), as an Axis II personality disorder characterized by "...a pervasive pattern of disregard for, and violation of, the rights of others that begins in childhood or early adolescence and continues into adulthood."
#1534 [18:29] <Raistlinnn> NO, it would NOT be sociopathic.
#1535 [18:30] <Morrolan> "Unconcerned about the adverse consequences for others of one's actions." Killing us because he hates us, without caring that we'll be dead afterwards seems to fit this definition though.
#1536 [18:30] <Raistlinnn> But he didnt start in early childhood.
#1537 [18:30] <Raistlinnn> I dont think
#1538 [18:31] <Morrolan> Eh. Let's just stick with "he's a meanie"
#1539 [18:31] <Raistlinnn> And nobody dies anymore, you respawn... Duh
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#1541 [18:31] <Mingeraft> I'm a meanie? You call me a meanie?!
#1542 [18:31] * Morrolan looks around
#1542 [18:31] <Morrolan> Now who would do such a thing!
#1543 [18:31] <Mingeraft> I cast scorn on you, Morrolan!
#1544 [18:32] <Raistlinnn> I changed my mind, sociopathic.
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#1548 [18:37] <onix> He
#1549 [18:37] <onix> *Hey
#1550 [18:38] <Raistlinnn> hi
#1551 [18:38] <onix> I deleted my email address and made a new and wanted to ask if you can change this
#1552 [18:39] <Raistlinnn> Change what?
#1553 [18:39] <onix> the email
#1554 [18:39] <Morrolan> http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/329530-my-email-account-has-changed-
#1555 [18:39] <onix> sry for my bad english ;D
#1556 [18:39] <GreyVulpine> Email addresses? Sure. Read http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/329523-how-do-i-change-the-email-address-linked-to-my-account-
#1557 [18:39] <GreyVulpine> Bah
#1558 [18:39] <onix> ok thx ;D
#1559 [18:39] <GreyVulpine> Ninja'd
#1560 [18:39] <Morrolan> <3
#1561 [18:39] <Raistlinnn> lol
#1562 [18:40] <Raistlinnn> OH!
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#1564 [18:40] <GreyVulpine> Spammer
#1565 [18:40] <Raistlinnn> remmaps
#1566 [18:41] <Raistlinnn> Whatever
#1567 [18:42] <onix> Why i cant use the Migrate from Minecraft to Monjang ;D
#1568 [18:42] <Morrolan> Uh, you can?
#1569 [18:43] <Morrolan> https://account.mojang.com/migrate <- that's the page to do so.
#1570 [18:43] <onix> Error! An error occured. Please try again later.
#1571 [18:43] <onix> Oo^^
#1572 [18:43] <Raistlinnn> hmm
#1573 [18:44] <onix> other people have the problem too
#1574 [18:44] <Raistlinnn> GreyVulpine where are your super linking powers now?
#1575 [18:44] <GreyVulpine> Super linking powers?
#1576 [18:44] <Raistlinnn> Yes
#1577 [18:44] <Raistlinnn> Your... super linking powers...
#1578 [18:44] <Raistlinnn> o_o
#1579 [18:44] <Raistlinnn> y'know?
#1580 [18:45] <GreyVulpine> I'm a regular minecraft player, like you. I have no special Mojang-granted powers
#1581 [18:45] <Raistlinnn> Your powers arent mojang powers, you were born with them.
#1582 [18:45] <GreyVulpine> Actually haven't played minecraft in a while now.
#1583 [18:46] <Morrolan> Heh, if it wasn't for a server to keep alive I'd hardly play either.
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#1585 [18:48] <onix> Thx for your help. bb ;D
#1586 [18:48] <KeanuNzuuu> Hi, i have a question
#1587 [18:48] <Raistlinnn> And i have an answer
#1588 [18:48] <Raistlinnn> I probably dont, but have at it.
#1589 [18:48] <KeanuNzuuu> my launcher, when he updates, it loads and downloads everything that he needs.. but he always gets stuck on a .jar file..
#1590 [18:49] <KeanuNzuuu> i've googled etc. but all the solutions i can find didn't work
#1591 [18:49] <Raistlinnn> Manually update it
#1592 [18:49] <KeanuNzuuu> i upgraded my java, deleted the bin folder, ...
#1593 [18:49] <Morrolan> Disable any security software you can get your hand on?
#1594 [18:49] <KeanuNzuuu> how can i manually update?
#1595 [18:49] <Raistlinnn> Download the 1.2 jar
#1596 [18:50] <GreyVulpine> If you're getting stuck on lwjgl, it's the AV
#1597 [18:50] <KeanuNzuuu> on minecraft site?
#1598 [18:50] <Raistlinnn> put it in the bin
#1599 [18:50] <Raistlinnn> umm
#1600 [18:50] <GreyVulpine> If you're getting stuck on minecraft.jar, it's the AV
#1601 [18:50] <GreyVulpine> ie, Check the AV
#1602 [18:50] <KeanuNzuuu> AV?
#1603 [18:50] <GreyVulpine> Antivirus
#1604 [18:50] <KeanuNzuuu> oh
#1605 [18:50] <KeanuNzuuu> :p
#1606 [18:50] <KeanuNzuuu> lemme try that
#1607 [18:51] <Raistlinnn> See grey, your powers
#1608 [18:51] <Raistlinnn> You just used them
#1609 [18:51] <GreyVulpine> I have no powers.
#1610 [18:52] <Raistlinnn> Dont deny it
#1611 [18:52] * GreyVulpine denies everything
#1611 [18:52] <Raistlinnn> Your a powerful wizard.
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#1613 [18:52] <Raistlinnn> from mars
#1614 [18:53] <Raistlinnn> salt
#1615 [18:53] <KeanuNzuuu> still stuck @ minecraft.jar
#1616 [18:53] <KeanuNzuuu> AV and firewall = off
#1617 [18:53] <Raistlinnn> did you cokpletely disable your av?
#1618 [18:53] <GreyVulpine> What AV do you use?
#1619 [18:53] <KeanuNzuuu> avg apparently.. didn't even know i had an av haha
#1620 [18:53] <Raistlinnn> I use avast
#1621 [18:54] <GreyVulpine> KeanuNzuuu - Go to AVG's options. Disable the linkscanner module. Try minecraft again
#1622 [18:55] <KeanuNzuuu> GreyVulpine, even tho u're probably a guy, I love you ...
#1623 [18:55] <KeanuNzuuu> haha it worked
#1624 [18:55] <KeanuNzuuu> <3
#1625 [18:55] <KeanuNzuuu> thanks a ton ;)
#1626 [18:55] * GreyVulpine tips hat
#1626 [18:58] <KeanuNzuuu> oh, now i'm here anyways,, how can i make it create a world without the freaking snow? :p
#1627 [18:58] <KeanuNzuuu> no matter what seed i use, there's always snow
#1628 [18:58] <Morrolan> There are biomes, as you might know.
#1629 [18:58] <GreyVulpine> Seeds are a basis for world generation. They don't make certain features generate more, or disable certain features
#1630 [18:58] <Morrolan> Theoretically there would have to be a seed without any snow biome, but, g'luck finding one.
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#1632 [18:59] <Raistlinnn> Seeds grow trees too
#1633 [18:59] <KeanuNzuuu> yeh but idc about a bit of snow, but it's everywhere .. :p
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#1635 [19:00] <Morrolan> There's a tool which calculates which biome are where, you might want to check that one out to find an area with as less snow-ish biome as possible.
#1636 [19:00] <KeanuNzuuu> kay thanks
#1637 [19:00] <Morrolan> Actually, since 1.2 biome is stored inside the world file. Can't be long enough there are tools to change a region's biome.
#1638 [19:01] <GreyVulpine> That's true.
#1639 [19:01] <Morrolan> So once there's such a tool simply select a giant region and set every snow biome to something different.
#1640 [19:01] <Morrolan> That is most likely my favourite change in the new save file format btw.
#1641 [19:01] <Morrolan> can't be long until there are*
#1642 [19:01] <Morrolan> wherever that "enough" came from.
#1643 [19:04] <GreyVulpine> ?? mcedit
#1644 [19:04] <VoxelHead> mcedit: http://davidvierra.com/mcedit/download.html
#1645 [19:04] <GreyVulpine> Hmm
#1646 [19:04] <GreyVulpine> ??~ mcedit|https://github.com/mcedit/mcedit/downloads
#1647 [19:05] <GreyVulpine> mcedit's updated-ish for 1.2
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#1650 [19:05] <mib_t1wc4m> Hello i need help updating my minecraft server
#1651 [19:05] <Morrolan> KeanuNzuuu - THe tool I meant was this one btw: http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/626786-v2025-amidst-strongholds-village-biome-ect-finder/
#1652 [19:05] <GreyVulpine> Vanilla or bukkit, mib_t1wc4m?
#1653 [19:06] <Morrolan> mib_t1wc4m - And how exactly do you need help with that?
#1654 [19:06] <mib_t1wc4m> The one off of the minecraft.net
#1655 [19:06] <mib_t1wc4m> so bukkit ithink?
#1656 [19:06] <GreyVulpine> The one off minecraft.net/download is vanilla.
#1657 [19:06] <mib_t1wc4m> ok
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#1659 [19:06] <GreyVulpine> Just redownload it, replace your minecraft_server with it's
#1660 [19:06] <mib_t1wc4m> then vanilla
#1661 [19:06] <mib_t1wc4m> i tried that
#1662 [19:06] <GreyVulpine> And what happens?
#1663 [19:06] <KeanuNzuuu> morrolan, thanks ill give it a try
#1664 [19:07] <mib_t1wc4m> but the server says there is something else running the port and the bind couldn not complete
#1665 [19:07] <Nathan2055> GreyVulpine: What's up?
#1666 [19:07] <GreyVulpine> You should stop your other server.
#1667 [19:07] <Morrolan> The sky, Nathan2055, the sky.
#1668 [19:07] <mib_t1wc4m> i dont have another server
#1669 [19:07] <GreyVulpine> mib_t1wc4m - Windows?
#1670 [19:07] <mib_t1wc4m> and i dont know what else could be occupying the port
#1671 [19:07] <mib_t1wc4m> Yes window
#1672 [19:07] <mib_t1wc4m> windows*
#1673 [19:07] <GreyVulpine> mib_t1wc4m - Check task manager. Make sure you don't have a java process running
#1674 [19:08] <mib_t1wc4m> ok
#1675 [19:08] <Nathan2055> Morrolan, I meant that I'm running in the room saying What's wrong?
#1676 [19:08] <Aikar> ~/lastlog aikar
#1677 [19:08] <Aikar> sugoi: ubuntu here
#1678 [19:08] <Morrolan> Nathan2055 - Okay. ;D
#1679 [19:08] <Nathan2055> Anyone currently not being helped?
#1680 [19:08] <mib_t1wc4m> hey do i check what is running with java with task maanager
#1681 [19:08] <Aikar> psf ax | grep java
#1682 [19:08] <Aikar> ps ax *
#1683 [19:09] <GreyVulpine> If java is running, chances are, the server is still running.
#1684 [19:09] <Nathan2055> Aikar: What are you doing?
#1685 [19:09] * GreyVulpine will need to run off in a second.
#1685 [19:09] <Aikar> Nathan2055: sound is jittery on ubuntu, even under latest LWJGL, others report same issue
#1686 [19:09] <Aikar> stutters
#1687 [19:09] <GreyVulpine> ps, list processes, filter only processes that have java
#1688 [19:10] <Aikar> nothing dealing with sound is smooth
#1689 [19:10] <Morrolan> GreyVulpine has to go to the loo it seems.
#1690 [19:10] * GreyVulpine thwaps Morrolan over the head
#1690 [19:10] <mib_t1wc4m> i cant find ps ax java under task manager
#1691 [19:10] <Morrolan> ^.^
#1692 [19:10] <Nathan2055> Aikar: I've had gittery sound trouble in the past, but it might have been related to a mod.
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#1694 [19:10] <Nathan2055> ~/lastlog Nathan2055
#1695 [19:10] <Morrolan> mib_t1wc4m - Check for processes called "java.exe"
#1696 [19:10] <Aikar> my brother uses same mods as me, but his sounds fine under windows
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#1698 [19:11] <Nathan2055> Aikar: What's that command for?
#1699 [19:11] <Aikar> its just a linux thing it seems, maybe only certain distros
#1700 [19:11] <Aikar> that was a typo nathan
#1701 [19:11] <Aikar> lastlog is an irssi command
#1702 [19:11] <Nathan2055> Oh.
#1703 [19:11] <Aikar> i accidently had a ~ in my chat box though
#1704 [19:11] <Nathan2055> I'm running Mibbit (for now!).
#1705 [19:11] <mib_t1wc4m> i cant find it under processes either :s
#1706 [19:11] <Aikar> it shows me all the last lines where someone said my name
#1707 [19:11] <Morrolan> mib_t1wc4m - Then it'd be easiest to restart your computer and start the new server.
#1708 [19:12] <mib_t1wc4m> i did that already too
#1709 [19:12] <Aikar> i used it to see if anyone responded to me
#1710 [19:12] <Nathan2055> Aikar: (back on topic) It could be that your mods are incompatible with Linux installs.
#1711 [19:12] <Morrolan> mib_t1wc4m - If the issue still persist you can then join again and we'll look further.
#1712 [19:12] <Aikar> which i saw sugoi did
#1713 [19:12] <Morrolan> mib_t1wc4m - Okay. :(
#1714 [19:12] <Aikar> im pretty sure it doesnt work on vanilla too
#1715 [19:12] <Morrolan> :/ *
#1716 [19:12] <Nathan2055> Aikar: What mods are you using, out of curiosity?
#1717 [19:12] <mib_t1wc4m> i have team viewer if you are willling to look at my situation
#1718 [19:12] <Aikar> like i said, im not the only one with the issue
#1719 [19:12] <Morrolan> mib_t1wc4m - I'm kind of busy atm, sorry.
#1720 [19:12] <Nathan2055> I know.
#1721 [19:13] <Nathan2055> But I just was wondering.
#1722 [19:13] <mib_t1wc4m> ok
#1723 [19:13] <Morrolan> Just peeking onto IRC every now and then. Probably more often than I should. ^^
#1724 [19:13] <Nathan2055> Aikar: Once OptiFine updates to 1.2.3, that might fix your problem.
#1725 [19:14] <Nathan2055> If you don't know what that is, it fixes Minecraft and makes it run faster (it's a mod).
#1726 [19:14] <mib_t1wc4m> morrolan if i go under processes uner task manager how do i find what java prgrams are running
#1727 [19:14] <Aikar> optifine is one i have
#1728 [19:14] <Morrolan> Sort it alphabetically and check whether there are any "java.exe" ones, mib_t1wc4m.
#1729 [19:14] <Aikar> sorry had to grab my gun and check around the house :P
#1730 [19:14] <Aikar> heard a noise
#1731 [19:14] <Nathan2055> Are you running 1.2.3?
#1732 [19:14] <Aikar> no
#1733 [19:14] <Aikar> 1.1 still
#1734 [19:15] <Nathan2055> Okay.
#1735 [19:15] <Nathan2055> Let's try something.
#1736 [19:15] <Aikar> server i play on isnt finished with the updates yet, they have alot of custom code
#1737 [19:15] <Aikar> and waiting on bukkit
#1738 [19:15] <Nathan2055> ...is the problem on SSP to?
#1739 [19:15] <mib_t1wc4m> there arent any java programs running i dont understand why it wont let the files bind for my server and new minecraft
#1740 [19:15] <Nathan2055> *too
#1741 [19:15] <Aikar> pretty sure... i dont see how that would be any diff
#1742 [19:16] <Aikar> lemme just note im an extremely technical person, im a developer :P
#1743 [19:16] <Nathan2055> SMP requires tons of crazy connections. Lots more problems running it.
#1744 [19:16] <Nathan2055> I'm technical too.
#1745 [19:16] <Nathan2055> Hoping to get into modding once I get a new computer.
#1746 [19:16] <Aikar> just stating that you dont need to do the typical "have you tried rebooting" type questions youd give a non technical person XD
#1747 [19:17] <mib_t1wc4m> morrolan any suggestions?
#1748 [19:17] <Nathan2055> Let's try a few things.
#1749 [19:17] <Nathan2055> First, load a SSP world and see if you have the same problem.
#1750 [19:17] <Aikar> hold on ill try no mods
#1751 [19:17] <Aikar> lemme kill off this spider pit
#1752 [19:17] <Nathan2055> No, I'll get to that.
#1753 [19:17] <Nathan2055> Just load a world.
#1754 [19:18] <mib_t1wc4m> hello?
#1755 [19:18] <Nathan2055> @mib_t1wc4m: He's away for the moment I believe.
#1756 [19:19] <Nathan2055> Oh, and...
#1757 [19:19] <mib_t1wc4m> ok
#1758 [19:20] <Nathan2055> Give me a sec, sorry.
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#1760 [19:21] <Aikar> SSP with no mods still same issue
#1761 [19:22] <Aikar> what the
#1762 [19:22] <Nathan2055> ??>> mib_t1wc4m irc/mibnick
#1763 [19:22] <Aikar> i have no idea what i was making on this SSP map
#1764 [19:22] <Nathan2055> Aikar: Sorry about that.
#1765 [19:22] <Nathan2055> Looking for the right command.
#1766 [19:23] <Nathan2055> Okay, let's try something.
#1767 [19:23] <KeanuNzuuu> Morrolan: i downloaded the biome changer, and i can indeed change my location to a non-snowwy location, but when i change my location and log back in, i drop down from the sky, to death and i spawn again in the snowwy area .. xd
#1768 [19:24] <Nathan2055> Download the minecraft.jar located at http://www.minecraft.net/download for Linux.
#1769 [19:24] <Aikar> I have it :P and its the same
#1770 [19:24] <Nathan2055> Just put it anywhere.
#1771 [19:24] <Morrolan> That's not a biome-changer, such tools don't exist yet, mind you. This tool is simply a... mapper which show the position of various biome, KeanuNzuuu.
#1772 [19:24] <Aikar> i just reverted all mods
#1773 [19:24] <Aikar> so -- its an LWJGL issue
#1774 [19:24] <Morrolan> Also shows strongholds and villages. As for changing your position, I suggest you use MCEdit or similar for this task. Or just walk there.
#1775 [19:25] <KeanuNzuuu> yeh okay, the tool then, but do you kno how i can let it not drop me down from the sky? ;s
#1776 [19:25] <mib_t1wc4m> nathan2055 what is irc/minick
#1777 [19:25] <Morrolan> mib_t1wc4m - Not really, sorry. You might want to ask again later when some other people are here.
#1778 [19:25] <mib_t1wc4m> ok morrolan
#1779 [19:25] <Nathan2055> Aikar: I want to try a fresh install with 1.2.3 to test if it still happens.
#1780 [19:25] <Morrolan> KeanuNzuuu - I never used that one to change my position.
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#1782 [19:25] <Morrolan> Only ever used MCEdit, or just walked there. ^^
#1783 [19:25] <KeanuNzuuu> k, thx :p
#1784 [19:26] <Nathan2055> mib_t1wc4m: It's an auto-note asking you to change from this guest nickname to a normal one.
#1785 [19:26] <Nathan2055> ??>> mib_t1wc4m irc/mibnick
#1786 [19:26] <Nathan2055> Aikar: I want to see if this is a bug caused by 1.1.
#1787 [19:27] <Nathan2055> Please download the jar and place it in any folder you choose.
#1788 [19:28] <mib_t1wc4m> irc/mibnick
#1789 [19:28] <Nathan2055> mib_t1wc4m: Your running a guest nick. It would be easier for people to address you if you change it.
#1790 [19:29] <mib_t1wc4m> how do i change it though
#1791 [19:29] <Nathan2055> ??> irc/mibnick
#1792 [19:29] <mib_t1wc4m> irc/ mibnick
#1793 [19:29] <mib_t1wc4m> irc/mibnick
#1794 [19:29] <Nathan2055> ?? irc/mibnick
#1795 [19:29] <VoxelHead> irc/mibnick: You have apparently been given a random name by the web-based client you are using. Please select an intelligible one by thinking of a name, and typing "/NICK YourNiftyNewName". Thank you.
#1796 [19:30] <Aikar> whats the ver of LWJGL MC ships with/
#1797 [19:30] <Nathan2055> ??> irc
#1798 [19:30] <yoshi> keanunzuuu
#1799 [19:31] <Nathan2055> yoshi: Who are you contacting?
#1800 [19:31] <yoshi> what do you mean?
#1801 [19:31] <Nathan2055> Aikar: LWJGL hasn't been implemented as far as I know.
#1802 [19:31] <Aikar> ... thats the library MC uses
#1803 [19:31] <Nathan2055> yoshi: You pinged someone by saying their name.
#1804 [19:32] <Aikar> you have to update it for linux, so i wanna try downgrading just the audio part back to stock
#1805 [19:32] <yoshi> yeah i pinged keanunzuuu
#1806 [19:32] <Nathan2055> Aikar: Let me pull up something, brb.
#1807 [19:32] <Nathan2055> yoshi: Okay
#1808 [19:32] <yoshi> nathan2055
#1809 [19:33] <yoshi> would you be willing to help me with teamviewer
#1810 [19:33] <Nathan2055> yoshi: Yes?
#1811 [19:33] <Nathan2055> I don't know what that is.
#1812 [19:33] <yoshi> ok nvm
#1813 [19:33] <Aikar> Nathan2055: fixed
#1814 [19:33] <Nathan2055> Aikar: What did you do?
#1815 [19:34] <Aikar> Downgraded just the OpenAL libraries of LWJGL to 2.7.1
#1816 [19:34] <Aikar> leaving the rest at 2.8.3
#1817 [19:34] <Aikar> guess 2.8 has a bug in linux for audio
#1818 [19:34] <Aikar> but 2.8 is required for input
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#1820 [19:34] <Aikar> as 2.7 has a critical key stick problem
#1821 [19:35] <Aikar> which will kill you 20 times a day
#1822 [19:35] <Nathan2055> Aikar: Huh. Okay. See you!
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#1824 [19:35] <Aikar> now the juke box can work as normal while exp grindering!
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#1826 [19:35] <Nathan2055> ??< teamviewer
#1827 [19:35] <Nathan2055> Oh, that's what it is!
#1828 [19:36] <Nathan2055> Anyone else need help?
#1829 [19:36] <Aikar> cat is such a tuny beat when its not stuttery
#1830 [19:36] <Nathan2055> Aikar: I agree!
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#1832 [19:37] <Nathan2055> Well, I'm off to look for diamonds in my new world.
#1833 [19:37] <Nathan2055> Bye all!
#1834 [19:37] <Aikar> weird, a spider got out of the cage
#1835 [19:37] <Aikar> thx for trying to help nathan
#1836 [19:38] <Nathan2055> Aikar: Any time.
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#1837 [19:38] <Aikar> some add a factoid for Ubuntu linux audio, use 2.7.1 version of LWJGL audio, and 2.8.X for rest
#1838 [19:39] <Mingeraft> Oh, I forgot to tell you about an odd dream I had.
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#1840 [19:40] <Mingeraft> I entered my room, when the doors suddenly closed shut. I was standing still, a little bit suprised, when screams started to come out of everywhere. I couldn't take it and I gone insane, and jumped out of the window, killing myself.
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#1842 [19:58] <Aidono> this is more linux than minecraft but : when in terminal i type "minecraft", my system knows it should launch "java -Xmx1024M -Xms512M -cp /usr/share/minecraft/minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame"... Where is the file that says this ?
#1843 [19:58] <Aidono> I need it to allocate more ram to minecraft
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#1845 [19:59] <Aidono> have tried a bash script with commandline attributes but no go
#1846 [19:59] <Aidono> i'm on arch linux and using an AUR package "minecraft"
#1847 [19:59] <asdasd> yo homies give me paste bin thing imma give u my info and u tell me if my laptop capable of running a server with 2 people
#1848 [20:00] <Aidono> Oh, and I'm on LXFE but it uses gnome-desktop-thingies I think
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#1850 [20:01] <hopsin> Hi I need help updating my server
#1851 [20:01] <|Kiikun|> ?find asdasd pastebin
#1852 [20:01] <VoxelHead> asdasd, http://is.gd/XkLrxf
#1853 [20:01] <asdasd> thank you one second
#1854 [20:01] <asdasd> LOL
#1855 [20:02] <hopsin> hello
#1856 [20:02] <sugoi> asdasd: http://canihostaminecraftserver.com/
#1857 [20:02] <|Kiikun|> hopsin: you update the server by stoping it and replacing the jar/exe
#1858 [20:03] <hopsin> i tried that but when i try to bind my server and the new version of minecraft it says that something is running in the port
#1859 [20:03] <hopsin> and it wont allow the files to bind
#1860 [20:03] <sugoi> hopsin: then the last one is still running
#1861 [20:04] <sugoi> hopsin: if you really don't think it is, one option is to reboot
#1862 [20:04] <sugoi> hopsin: but that shouldn't be necessary
#1863 [20:04] <hopsin> i even shut off my computer and restarted it and went on taask manager to shut down any java programs
#1864 [20:04] <hopsin> and it still wont bind the files
#1865 [20:04] <sugoi> hopsin: :/ are you using a custom port?
#1866 [20:05] <sugoi> hopsin: what os?
#1867 [20:05] <hopsin> idk because i didnt set it up someone from this site set it up for me using team viewer
#1868 [20:05] <sugoi> well i gotta run
#1869 [20:05] <asdasd> http://pastebin.com/ruVEUuMz
#1870 [20:05] <sugoi> asdasd: use that link i gave you to estimate what you can support
#1871 [20:06] <sugoi> asdasd: use that tool i linked to you
#1872 [20:06] <sugoi> http://canihostaminecraftserver.com/
#1873 [20:06] <hopsin> would someone be willing to help me with team viewer
#1874 [20:06] <sugoi> asdasd: if you are running other things on the same computer, give what ram will be available for mc
#1875 [20:06] * sugoi is afk, laters
#1875 [20:07] <hopsin> lkiikunl can you help me and access my computer with team viewer to find out what is wrong
#1876 [20:08] * |Kiikun| is busy with stuff
#1876 [20:08] <hopsin> voxelhead
#1877 [20:08] <|Kiikun|> it should be as simple as stopping the server and replacing it with the new jar/exe
#1878 [20:08] <hopsin> but every time i try that
#1879 [20:08] <hopsin> its says something else is occupying my port
#1880 [20:08] <hopsin> and i cant figure it out
#1881 [20:09] <hopsin> i have been trying for two hours
#1882 [20:10] <hopsin> can you team view my comp to figure it out im completely stumped
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#1885 [20:13] <hopsin> ?
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#1889 [20:20] <jacob843> Hello
#1890 [20:20] <jacob843> I have an emergency on my hands... Can you guys help?
#1891 [20:21] <jacob843> Hellllooo?
#1892 [20:21] <hopsin> yes jacob843
#1893 [20:21] <jacob843> Alright so:
#1894 [20:21] <jacob843> I can't connect to minecraft.net using my client
#1895 [20:22] <jacob843> I can connect fine using the browser though
#1896 [20:22] <jacob843> I tried everything, reinstalling java
#1897 [20:22] <jacob843> new launcher, EVERYTHING
#1898 [20:22] <jacob843> disable firewall
#1899 [20:22] <jacob843> but I keep getting: <html><body> <center>Failed to update news java.net.SocketException: Invalid argument: connect</center></body></html>
#1900 [20:23] <hopsin> k then suck a fat chode
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#1902 [20:23] <jacob843> and: can't connect to minecraft.net
#1903 [20:23] <jacob843> Any clue of what is happening?
#1904 [20:23] <hopsin> yeah you are not on a supporting client operating file
#1905 [20:23] <jacob843> what?
#1906 [20:23] <|Kiikun|> jacob843: that looks like youre using java7 to me.
#1907 [20:23] <jacob843> I am using java 6 and 7
#1908 [20:23] <jacob843> I am using java 6 and 7
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#1910 [20:23] <jacob843> uninstall java 7?
#1911 [20:24] <|Kiikun|> force it to use java 6
#1912 [20:24] <jacob843> i tried
#1913 [20:24] <|Kiikun|> or that :P
#1914 [20:24] <jacob843> same thing
#1915 [20:24] <jacob843> oh my god..
#1916 [20:24] <jacob843> it.. is.. fixed...
#1917 [20:24] <jacob843> haha!
#1918 [20:24] <jacob843> I will uninstall java 7 :D
#1919 [20:25] <jacob843> thanks
#1920 [20:25] <|Kiikun|> no prob. java7 likes breaking various networkign related stuff.
#1921 [20:25] <jacob843> will it be fixed in the future? do you know?
#1922 [20:26] <jacob843> so wait. I uninstalled Java 7
#1923 [20:26] <jacob843> and I just clicked the minecraft launcher
#1924 [20:26] <jacob843> and same error. do I need to use the .bat every time?
#1925 [20:26] <|Kiikun|> shouldnt need to use a bat.
#1926 [20:27] <|Kiikun|> unless youre chanign its folder or giving it more memory
#1927 [20:27] <jacob843> right. but it defaults to the java 7 folder
#1928 [20:27] <jacob843> which now doesn't exist
#1929 [20:27] <jacob843> should I also uninstall jdk 7 for java?
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#1931 [20:28] <|Kiikun|> yes
#1932 [20:28] <jacob843> oh that seemed to work
#1933 [20:28] <jacob843> thanks :D
#1934 [20:30] <jacob843> umm
#1935 [20:30] <jacob843> does minecraft use port 25577?
#1936 [20:31] <|Kiikun|> 25565 default
#1937 [20:31] <|Kiikun|> you can change it
#1938 [20:31] <|Kiikun|> in server.properties
#1939 [20:31] <jacob843> i am trying to run my server on port 25577 and it says unable to bind port
#1940 [20:32] <jacob843> This didn't happen before I fixed the client
#1941 [20:32] <jacob843> I guess one things works and the other doesn't :D
#1942 [20:33] <jacob843> nvm
#1943 [20:33] <jacob843> it fixed itself again..
#1944 [20:33] <jacob843> alright
#1945 [20:34] <jacob843> one more thing
#1946 [20:34] <jacob843> stuck at the logging in screen when trying to join my server
#1947 [20:34] <jacob843> took to long to log in error
#1948 [20:35] <jacob843> any ideas Kiikun?
#1949 [20:35] <jacob843> |Kiikun|?
#1950 [20:36] <|Kiikun|> hmm...
#1951 [20:36] <|Kiikun|> 'unable to bind port' means something is already running on that port.
#1952 [20:36] <jacob843> nooo
#1953 [20:36] <jacob843> we fixed that
#1954 [20:36] <jacob843> now the took to long to log in message -__
#1955 [20:36] <jacob843> -__-
#1956 [20:37] <jacob843> I just can't have an easy day..
#1957 [20:37] <|Kiikun|> loged in went to multiplayer then it stalled out on connecting?
#1958 [20:37] <jacob843> yes
#1959 [20:37] <|Kiikun|> might just be your server stalling on connectign to the session server
#1960 [20:37] <jacob843> ok
#1961 [20:37] <jacob843> nvm
#1962 [20:37] <jacob843> I fixed it
#1963 [20:38] <|Kiikun|> ;dq *!Mibbit@c-24-0-34-254.hsd1.nj.comcast.net
#1964 [20:38] <|Kiikun|> :P
#1965 [20:38] <jacob843> what is that mean?
#1966 [20:38] <jacob843> ?
#1967 [20:38] <|Kiikun|> its 'quiet'
#1968 [20:38] <jacob843> +++ VoxelHead has taken owner from *!Mibbit@c-24-0-**-2*4.hsd1.nj.comcast.net
#1969 [20:38] <jacob843> what does that mean D:
#1970 [20:38] * |Kiikun| didnt feel like waiting for vox to remove it
#1970 [20:39] <|Kiikun|> thats mute. mibbit is stupid
#1971 [20:39] <jacob843> ah
#1972 [20:39] <jacob843> ok now. my client keeps freezing..
#1973 [20:39] <jacob843> 10 seconds in my server and BOOM
#1974 [20:39] <jacob843> dead minecraft
#1975 [20:41] <jacob843> dude?
#1976 [20:43] <oldtopman> jacob843: Client and server on the same machine?
#1977 [20:43] <jacob843> yes
#1978 [20:43] <oldtopman> THere's your problem.
#1979 [20:43] <oldtopman> They don't play nice with each other.
#1980 [20:43] <jacob843> why?
#1981 [20:43] <jacob843> it worked fine a few days ago..
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#1986 [20:44] <Cael> oddly. is it silk touch required to get mushroom blocks?
#1987 [20:45] <jacob843> I fixed it
#1988 [20:45] <jacob843> it was bukkit being gay..
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#1991 [20:52] <mib_9v2339> Hi my friends minecraft wont update it gets to downloading packages and just stops how can he fix it to play
#1992 [20:52] <Cael> tell him to delete the Bin folder and select Force update
#1993 [20:53] <mib_9v2339> he says theres nothing in the bin folder and he already tried that it dosent work the only thing in there is version
#1994 [20:53] <Cael> at worst have him backup his save folder then delet minecraft's folder all together.
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#1997 [21:05] <slaminsamy98> when i try to join a server on minecraft it says a internal exception :Java.netsocketexception:connection reset what do i do to fix this
#1998 [21:06] <Cael> ok
#1999 [21:07] <Cael> wow didnt wait long
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#2001 [21:10] <helpmeplease> can you please please help me i am lagging very badly
#2002 [21:10] <helpmeplease> here are my info from paste bin thing
#2003 [21:10] <helpmeplease> http://pastebin.com/fPi11UXh
#2004 [21:10] <helpmeplease> is my laptop good to run minecraft?
#2005 [21:10] <Cael> general rule of thumb No
#2006 [21:11] <Cael> as intergrated GPU's perform Worse than thier External card's counterpart
#2007 [21:12] <Cael> but i can tell you WHY you lag like hell
#2008 [21:12] <helpmeplease> why
#2009 [21:12] <Cael> Intel GPU = worst of the worst
#2010 [21:12] <helpmeplease> is there anything i can do?
#2011 [21:12] <Cael> Get a desktop pc or a gaming grade laptop
#2012 [21:12] <Cael> other than waiting for optifine for MC 1.2.3
#2013 [21:13] <Cael> even then optifine probly would boost at most 10 FPS
#2014 [21:14] <helpmeplease> i bought this for 380 bucks
#2015 [21:14] <helpmeplease> today should i sell it back?
#2016 [21:14] <helpmeplease> at future shop
#2017 [21:14] <Cael> well thats upto you .
#2018 [21:14] <helpmeplease> could i get a better lapto for that much to run mc?
#2019 [21:15] <Cael> thats a good net/generual use laptop but it doesnt have the punch for gaming.
#2020 [21:15] <Cael> yes you could but Not for That price.
#2021 [21:15] <Cael> gaming laptops cost an arm and a leg.
#2022 [21:15] <Cael> if you haveto have a laptop stay away w/ ones that have an intel branded GPU
#2023 [21:16] <helpmeplease> so there's no way to bu ya laptop to run mc for 380 bucks?
#2024 [21:16] <Cael> sadly no but if you shop right you could probbly build a decent Desktop that would perform better
#2025 [21:17] <helpmeplease> thanks
#2026 [21:17] <helpmeplease> bye
#2027 [21:18] <Scott> what's wrong with intel graphics?
#2028 [21:19] <Cael> most till the verry recent Chipsets performed likepure crap.
#2029 [21:19] <Scott> you know it's possible to have integrated and discrete graphics?
#2030 [21:19] <Cael> in his case he had one of the Crap Intel Chipsets.
#2031 [21:19] <Scott> Well, Intel's graphic performance is getting better and better.
#2032 [21:20] <Cael> yea slowly over time.
#2033 [21:20] <Scott> I rarely even use my GPU.
#2034 [21:20] <Cael> but older modesl i'd say no less than mid 2010
#2035 [21:20] <Cael> wont run if at all MC
#2036 [21:28] <Cael> if he would of been ok w/ a desktop
#2037 [21:28] <Cael> t probbly could built an AMD FX system for dirt cheap
#2038 [21:29] <Cael> built mine for 270$ USD
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#2040 [21:35] <ledfall> My friend is still trying to fix his minecraft it gets stuck at unwrapping packages and freezes hes deleted the bin folder and deleted minecraft in a whole and still the same problem what do?
#2041 [21:36] <ledfall> and he went to his other computer and got all the files from there and it still didnt work
#2042 [21:36] <Cael> hmm...
#2043 [21:36] <Cael> try reinstalling java.
#2044 [21:36] <Cael> or at last resort try installing JRE 7
#2045 [21:37] <Cael> 7's been a mixed handbag for some. so tell to do it as a last resort
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#2047 [21:37] <helpmeplease> my friend lags when he gets on my server
#2048 [21:38] <helpmeplease> why?????
#2049 [21:39] <Cael> thers can be 2 kinds of lag
#2050 [21:39] <Cael> ask him to F3 when he's on if he's having low FPS then gotta look at what Os, what version of java, whats running etc.
#2051 [21:40] <Cael> t if he' sgot High FPS but like thinsg are standing still then in an instant jump around.
#2052 [21:40] <Cael> then your Upload Bandwith Just plain blows.
#2053 [21:41] <helpmeplease> sorry i was afk
#2054 [21:41] <helpmeplease> hold on
#2055 [21:42] <helpmeplease> no hes lagin like he cant fps
#2056 [21:42] <helpmeplease> fps lagg i thing
#2057 [21:42] <helpmeplease> ill ask
#2058 [21:42] <helpmeplease> k its his fps he says
#2059 [21:43] <ledfall> where would he find JRE 7
#2060 [21:43] <helpmeplease> ?
#2061 [21:43] <helpmeplease> jre 7?
#2062 [21:43] <helpmeplease> also we are on a hamachi server
#2063 [21:43] <ledfall> not u Cael
#2064 [21:43] <helpmeplease> ?
#2065 [21:44] <helpmeplease> omfg
#2066 [21:44] <Cael> sorry, was in my server,
#2067 [21:44] <helpmeplease> my friend is lagy
#2068 [21:44] <helpmeplease> on my hamachi server
#2069 [21:44] <Cael> likely it's his video card, What is his Video card model?
#2070 [21:44] <helpmeplease> he doesnt lag with out server
#2071 [21:45] <Cael> might be you.
#2072 [21:45] <helpmeplease> yeah i am running skype
#2073 [21:45] <Cael> see if he lags on another server first
#2074 [21:45] <Cael> skype wouldnt usally kill a server that bad.
#2075 [21:45] <helpmeplease> also his updating his java right nowt to see if it fixes it
#2076 [21:45] <helpmeplease> oh
#2077 [21:45] <Cael> but if you got less than a 1Mb/s Upload connection.
#2078 [21:46] <helpmeplease> ok how do i check
#2079 [21:46] <Cael> then anything outside your home's network will blwo chunks
#2080 [21:46] <Cael> speedtest.net
#2081 [21:46] <ledfall> Where would he instralll JRE 7
#2082 [21:46] <helpmeplease> i am getting 65.0
#2083 [21:47] <helpmeplease> mbs
#2084 [21:47] <Cael> that for your Upload bandwith?
#2085 [21:48] <helpmeplease> idk dude whyyyy is he lagging :(
#2086 [21:48] <helpmeplease> what can i do???
#2087 [21:48] <Cael> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/java-se-jre-7-download-432155.html
#2088 [21:48] <Cael> i cant honestly say ,
#2089 [21:48] <helpmeplease> ok
#2090 [21:48] <Cael> i know you Do loose some upload bandwith w/ Hamachi.
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#2092 [21:49] <helpmeplease> wait what did u just give me?
#2093 [21:49] <helpmeplease> u want me to download that?
#2094 [21:50] <Cael> nuuu , didnt see ledfall log earlier
#2095 [21:50] <Cael> for his friend for JRE 7
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#2098 [21:54] <exphc> I'm getting an NPE at java.util.Hashtable.put(Hashtable.java:394) with only a couple mods loaded - any hints what I'm doing wrong? http://pastebin.com/8MMUak9S
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#2103 [22:38] <AshtonK> check! mc.ashtonk.org
#2104 [22:38] <AshtonK> !check mc.ashtonk.org
#2105 [22:39] <AshtonK> Hey guys, so I have my server running on mc.ashtonk.org , and for a minute it says online 5 bars, the next its offline and cant login
#2106 [22:39] <AshtonK> Nothing is showing in the config and its running perfect?
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#2108 [22:48] <AshtonK> .............
#2109 [22:48] <AshtonK> ?
#2110 [22:49] <sugoi> AshtonK: too many periods, voxel doesn't like it :)
#2111 [22:49] <AshtonK> I need help, fast. Iv been here ten minutes and if he's here why isnt he answering.
#2112 [22:49] <sugoi> AshtonK: who is he?
#2113 [22:49] <sugoi> AshtonK: voxel?
#2114 [22:49] <sugoi> AshtonK: voxel's a bot :)
#2115 [22:50] <AshtonK> So doing this gives me a negative rep? ..........................
#2116 [22:50] <sugoi> AshtonK: if at the computer mc server is running, but you can't connect, it's a network problem
#2117 [22:50] <TheNoodle> It gets you muted.
#2118 [22:50] <AshtonK> Well thats dumb.
#2119 [22:50] <sugoi> AshtonK: :) easy to avoid
#2120 [22:50] <AshtonK> Can anybody help?
#2121 [22:51] <sugoi> AshtonK: i just did
#2122 [22:51] <sugoi> it's a network problem, not mc
#2123 [22:51] <sugoi> if, as you say, it's running
#2124 [22:51] <sugoi> i would check firewalls and anti-virus
#2125 [22:51] <AshtonK> Wired connection, 5 bars, fully portforwarded, I personally dont lose internet connection, the server keeps going online & offline
#2126 [22:52] <AshtonK> Its may flicker online for 20 seconds
#2127 [22:52] <AshtonK> & no thats all disabled.
#2128 [22:52] <sugoi> AshtonK: start up minecraft client _on_ the server, see if it can connect to localhost
#2129 [22:53] <AshtonK> Sorry you gotta explain that in more detail :(
#2130 [22:53] <sugoi> AshtonK: on the box/pc/computer/machine that is running minecraft_server.jar/exe --- download the minecraft.exe/jar(client/game/launcher), and run it
#2131 [22:54] <sugoi> in the minecraft client, add a server "localhost" (same as 127.0.0.1, you could use that ip as well)
#2132 [22:55] <AshtonK> Yeah that logs right in..
#2133 [22:55] <TheNoodle> So it's a network issue.
#2134 [22:55] <sugoi> so, again, sadly it sounds like network
#2135 [22:55] <AshtonK> Where do I go from there...? Because everything that needs to be done is done...
#2136 [22:56] <sugoi> AshtonK: have you connected in-game, and then been kicked out
#2137 [22:56] <sugoi> ?
#2138 [22:57] <sugoi> or is your analysis based solely on the bars you see in he server list?
#2139 [22:57] <AshtonK> I logged in played then logged out with friends.. Ever since its doing this
#2140 [22:57] <AshtonK> And its done it before we have just gotten lucky
#2141 [22:58] <sugoi> sure, but have you logged in and played, then _lost_ connection?
#2142 [22:58] <sugoi> or are you just concerned about the server list bars
#2143 [22:58] <AshtonK> Nope
#2144 [22:58] <AshtonK> Im concerned about a 1/10 chance of getting on
#2145 [22:58] <AshtonK> Alot of the time theres "Cant reach server" and no way to get on
#2146 [22:58] <sugoi> ok
#2147 [22:59] <AshtonK> Failed to connect to the server - Connection refused: connect
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#2149 [22:59] <sugoi> curious, server version?
#2150 [23:00] <AshtonK> Newest, just running the server jar download right off Http://minecraft.net
#2151 [23:00] <AshtonK> I usually run bukkit but I wanted to run the server with the jungle biomes.
#2152 [23:00] <AshtonK> Bukkit usually has the same problems.
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#2154 [23:01] <AshtonK> & dont consider server ram issues or anything like that, I had 6Gb's of 2000mhz dedicated to it, LOL
#2155 [23:01] <AshtonK> have*
#2156 [23:01] <sugoi> try to find ways to isolate the issue
#2157 [23:01] <AshtonK> I have ..
#2158 [23:02] <sugoi> whenever you are unable to connect remotely (even in-law-remotely), and you can still connect locally, it must be network
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#2160 [23:02] <AshtonK> Lets see if changing some firewall things might help, what steps can I take there
#2161 [23:02] <sugoi> you said firewall was off
#2162 [23:02] <sugoi> besides
#2163 [23:02] <sugoi> with firewall, it'd be off always or on always
#2164 [23:03] <AshtonK> It was, but doesnt hurt to mess around at all
#2165 [23:03] <AshtonK> I can add new inbound/outbound rules though cant I?
#2166 [23:03] <sugoi> yes - but until it is working - just leave it entirely off
#2167 [23:04] <AshtonK> Oh okay.
#2168 [23:04] <AshtonK> What should I have all in my router settings, I can verify I have that correct
#2169 [23:04] <sugoi> nothing, in-lan takes no configuration
#2170 [23:05] <AshtonK> Its running through my router though, and im going to go back to wireless anyway.
#2171 [23:05] <sugoi> router == lan
#2172 [23:06] <AshtonK> Sorry im just not so smart here I guess. Running the server wirelessly, through my router, and having other people connecting from different IP's would require me to portforward, which is done through the router.
#2173 [23:06] <AshtonK> Correct?
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#2175 [23:07] <sugoi> AshtonK: yes, absolutely, but i assumed you, yourself, have been testing this locally
#2176 [23:08] <AshtonK> Yes, and no.
#2177 [23:08] <sugoi> and by localy, i mean under your router
#2178 [23:08] <sugoi> within your same network
#2179 [23:08] <sugoi> and that ^^ takes no configuration
#2180 [23:08] <AshtonK> Im aware of that, but for my friends to reconnect I need to have that all done.
#2181 [23:09] <AshtonK> All I do is add the 25565-25565 in UDP and TCP right?
#2182 [23:09] <sugoi> AshtonK: one sec - step back
#2183 [23:09] <AshtonK> ?
#2184 [23:09] <sugoi> can you connect under your network?
#2185 [23:09] <sugoi> in the same network, that is?
#2186 [23:09] <AshtonK> I can connect to the server using localhost.
#2187 [23:10] <sugoi> and from a 2nd computer, in the same network
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#2189 [23:10] <AshtonK> Yes
#2190 [23:10] <sugoi> yes, you can connect?
#2191 [23:10] <AshtonK> Yes
#2192 [23:10] <sugoi> always? that has never been broken?
#2193 [23:11] <AshtonK> Yes (When using 127.0.0.1) . BUT when I go through my IP its only sometimes
#2194 [23:11] <AshtonK> & me and friends have played on it multiple times, it just hardly ever works
#2195 [23:11] <sugoi> AshtonK: we're not communicating well
#2196 [23:11] <AshtonK> Sorry, ill slow down
#2197 [23:11] <sugoi> haha
#2198 [23:12] <sugoi> i'll use other 'words' :)
#2199 [23:12] <sugoi> what's your server ip?
#2200 [23:12] <sugoi> not your public/router ip
#2201 [23:12] <sugoi> 192.168.1.2? or similar?
#2202 [23:12] <AshtonK> yeah
#2203 [23:12] <AshtonK> 102*
#2204 [23:13] <sugoi> AshtonK: and from another computer, connected to the same router as your server, using 192.168.1.102 -- does it always work? sometimes work?
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#2206 [23:13] <AshtonK> Yeah it works, but the others computers IPv4 is 103*
#2207 [23:14] <sugoi> but the other computers.. <- why does that detail matter?
#2208 [23:14] <quibbit> ever since the update ive had some major issues with minecraft. my most recent being that it freezes every time i attempt to open the texture pack folder....any idea why?
#2209 [23:14] <sugoi> quibbit: i've heard this, have you run mcpatcher?
#2210 [23:14] <AshtonK> Same ^^ But I was just giving extra detail sugoi :P
#2211 [23:14] <quibbit> yes. and done the whole %appdata% thing and cleared everything except saves
#2212 [23:14] <sugoi> AshtonK: if connecting from a 2nd computer, on the same router, always works, the problem is at your router
#2213 [23:15] <sugoi> quibbit: and after 'clearing', and reinstalling, you've run mcpatcher again?
#2214 [23:15] <quibbit> yea. ive done the step multiple times
#2215 [23:15] <sugoi> quibbit: mcpatcher is the problem then
#2216 [23:15] <sugoi> mcpatcher is not minecraft official, it's just a mod tool
#2217 [23:16] <sugoi> i'd wait for an update to mcpatcher
#2218 [23:16] <AshtonK> Okay sugoi, so at the router what should I be checking
#2219 [23:16] <quibbit> so play without a texture pack? that what youre saying?
#2220 [23:16] <sugoi> it should only require one configuration, to forward 25565 to 192.168.1.102
#2221 [23:16] <quibbit> until it and mcpatcher are updated to 1.2.3
#2222 [23:16] <quibbit> ??
#2223 [23:16] <sugoi> and use ipchicken.com to confirm your public ip, for people 'outside'
#2224 [23:17] <sugoi> quibbit: unil 'it and mcpatcher', what is 'it' ?
#2225 [23:17] <quibbit> texture pack i use
#2226 [23:17] <sugoi> quibbit: , ah, yes
#2227 [23:18] <quibbit> ok. any clue how long they usually take to update after new versions are releaseed?
#2228 [23:18] <sugoi> quibbit: no, sorry
#2229 [23:18] <sugoi> i really don't knwo
#2230 [23:18] <quibbit> no worries. just curious
#2231 [23:18] <sugoi> quibbit: you can ask ppl on #bukkit tho
#2232 [23:18] <quibbit> ok thanks
#2233 [23:18] <sugoi> they might follow that info more than us
#2234 [23:18] <sugoi> we try to support minecraft 'vanilla', and not the mods
#2235 [23:19] <AshtonK> Alright sugoi, so my IP is correct everything is correct, not sure what else to check..
#2236 [23:20] <sugoi> AshtonK: i'm not sure
#2237 [23:21] <AshtonK> !check mc.ashtonk.org
#2238 [23:22] <sugoi> AshtonK: perhaps your isp being rude :) blocking that port :) [unlikely]
#2239 [23:22] <sugoi> AshtonK: you could try other ports
#2240 [23:22] <AshtonK> By that you mean?
#2241 [23:22] <AshtonK> I know what you mean, but like what ports and how do I try them
#2242 [23:22] <sugoi> in your server.properties, there is a line to set the port, e.g. server-port=5555
#2243 [23:22] <AshtonK> Oh okay
#2244 [23:23] <sugoi> AshtonK: when you add a server to minecraft (in-game), use ###.###.###.###:#### syntax
#2245 [23:23] <sugoi> i.e. follow the address with `:{port number}`
#2246 [23:24] <AshtonK> Whats a port worth trying?
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#2248 [23:25] <sugoi> AshtonK: port numbers go up to 65535
#2249 [23:26] <sugoi> so pick any after 1024, up to 65535 (lower port numbers are reserved)
#2250 [23:27] <AshtonK> How about 16000? So I just put it in the server properties file and load the server ip mc.ashtonk.org:16000
#2251 [23:27] <AshtonK> ?
#2252 [23:28] <sugoi> yep, oh -
#2253 [23:28] <sugoi> you're trying to use your dns-name?
#2254 [23:28] <AshtonK> Yeah
#2255 [23:28] <sugoi> ever considered that your registry is out dated?
#2256 [23:28] <AshtonK> Explain
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#2258 [23:29] <sugoi> ;check ashton
#2259 [23:29] <WugBot> Unable to determine the hostname of ashton. Nobody with that nickname seems to be online.
#2260 [23:29] <sugoi> ;check ashtonk
#2261 [23:29] <WugBot> S010600226b803fac.ss.shawcable.net:25565 is accepting connections.
#2262 [23:29] * sugoi facepalms
#2262 [23:29] <AshtonK> ?
#2263 [23:29] <sugoi> AshtonK: didn't i tell you to use ipchicken????
#2264 [23:29] <sugoi> :)
#2265 [23:29] <AshtonK> Yeah
#2266 [23:29] <AshtonK> & its all correct
#2267 [23:30] <sugoi> did you try the ip from ipchicken ?
#2268 [23:30] <AshtonK> Lol I have the same IP from everything, my ip is totally correct
#2269 [23:30] <AshtonK> 70.76.36.14
#2270 [23:31] <sugoi> ;check 70.76.36.14
#2271 [23:31] <WugBot> Unable to connect to address: 70.76.36.14:25565 (Timed out)
#2272 [23:31] <AshtonK> :O
#2273 [23:31] <sugoi> ;check AshtonK
#2274 [23:31] <WugBot> Unable to connect to address: S010600226b803fac.ss.shawcable.net:25565 (Timed out)
#2275 [23:31] <AshtonK> seee...
#2276 [23:31] <sugoi> AshtonK: did you just change your port?
#2277 [23:31] <AshtonK> Nope
#2278 [23:31] <sugoi> or your port forwarding rule
#2279 [23:31] <sugoi> AshtonK: what do you mean, "see"?! :P
#2280 [23:31] <sugoi> this is _your_ network
#2281 [23:32] <Scott> sugoi: If you're on Windows, you can bind to any port without issue.
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#2283 [23:32] <sugoi> Scott: heh, i wasn't certain
#2284 [23:32] <AshtonK> ;check AshtonL
#2285 [23:32] <WugBot> Unable to determine the hostname of ashtonl. Nobody with that nickname seems to be online.
#2286 [23:32] <AshtonK> ooops
#2287 [23:32] <AshtonK> ;check AshtonK
#2288 [23:32] <WugBot> Unable to connect to address: S010600226b803fac.ss.shawcable.net:25565 (Timed out)
#2289 [23:33] <Scott> And if you're on a Unix-like OS, you can bind to any port as long as you execute as root.
#2290 [23:33] <AshtonK> Weird! Yeah I havent charged a thing
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#2292 [23:33] <AshtonK> ;check 70.76.36.14
#2293 [23:33] <WugBot> Unable to connect to address: 70.76.36.14:25565 (Timed out)
#2294 [23:34] <AshtonK> Thats weird, just a minute ago it said accepting connections?
#2295 [23:34] <sugoi> maybe your router is on the fritz
#2296 [23:35] <AshtonK> I doubt it . Its works amazing and its a $300 Linksys router..
#2297 [23:35] <sugoi> maybe you have malware :(
#2298 [23:35] <AshtonK> & nope . Lol
#2299 [23:35] <sugoi> maybe you have vengful squirrels
#2300 [23:35] <sugoi> vengeful*
#2301 [23:36] <AshtonK> I dont even know what that is.
#2302 [23:36] <AshtonK> Hahah
#2303 [23:36] <sugoi> squirrels chew things, like phone lines and cables and such
#2304 [23:37] <AshtonK> Lol no , because everything works great
#2305 [23:37] <AshtonK> Its just this damn server problem
#2306 [23:37] <sugoi> everything?
#2307 [23:37] <sugoi> :)
#2308 [23:37] <AshtonK> Could it be the nameservers?
#2309 [23:37] <sugoi> that's why i said to use the ip
#2310 [23:38] * sugoi sudo bind Scott 80
#2310 [23:38] * sugoi telnet Scott:80
#2310 [23:38] <Scott> waat
#2311 [23:39] * sugoi `tickle`
#2311 [23:39] <AshtonK> K so I have two saved servers here im doing a little test
#2312 [23:40] <AshtonK> So I have one connecting to localhost the other to my ip, 70.**.**.** ... And when I hit refresh they were both connecting for a few clicks, now localhost continues to connect but my IP does not.
#2313 [23:50] <sugoi> AshtonK: but try to connect remotely (outside, not connected to the same router), don't just check the bars -- see if you get connected
#2314 [23:51] <sugoi> i mean, after connected, see if you get disconnected*
#2315 [23:53] <sugoi> AshtonK: all i'm trying to test is if the bars are misleading,and things are actually working :)
#2316 [23:54] <sugoi> AshtonK: but after this point, i'm out of ideas. if i were you, i'd try different ports, different computers, different routers
#2317 [23:54] <sugoi> all until the problem stopped, and then i would know what was doing it
#2318 [23:55] <sugoi> Scott: btw, i was more referring to best practices in 'available' ports
#2319 [23:57] <AshtonK> Can I try port 16000?
#2320 [23:57] <sugoi> yep
#2321 [23:59] <AshtonK> Same problem, connection refused: connect