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#7 [01:00] <mib_w48vl9> !paid maz1ydas
#8 [01:01] <mib_w48vl9> !paid kingofbox
#9 [01:01] <mib_w48vl9> !paid hvarr
#10 [01:09] <[JD]> !paid you
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#16 [01:22] <grey> Howdy does this channel awnser questions about code?
#17 [01:23] <r3dmaris> Hi there. Is there any way to actually get in touch with anyone actually in the company? I sent an email about a purchasing problem about a week ago, and the problem is still there, and I've heard nothing back from anyone.
#18 [01:24] <lemon-rev> r3dmaris only way though twitter or though there mojang.com site
#19 [01:24] <r3dmaris> I sent an email through the Mojang site. No response.
#20 [01:25] <lemon-rev> well thats the only other way of getting in touch with them, but you can always try the minecraft fourms for help
#21 [01:26] <r3dmaris> And this doesn't raise any alarm bells? People you can't get in touch with that have your money? Perhaps they should actually hire some people for the back end of things.
#22 [01:27] <lemon-rev> look they said a while ago they had someone on support now i dont know wtf is going on with that, but they been like this for a long ass time
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#26 [02:06] <wheelz> hi
#27 [02:07] <wheelz> is anybody here?
#28 [02:07] <wheelz> I could use a little help setting up this computer for a LAN party
#29 [02:16] <sugoi> and hi
#30 [02:16] <sugoi> he waited a whole 1 minute
#31 [02:16] <sugoi> people!
#32 [02:17] * GreyVulpine duct tapes sugoi, rolls over, goes back to sleep.
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#33 [02:57] <mtdark> Is there any file for MC that might control whether sound starts up in MC or something? my MC usually doesn't start with sound :(
#34 [02:59] <|Kiikun|Janus|> triple-checked all related volume sliders?
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#36 [03:00] <Mingeraft> Hello.
#37 [03:00] <mtdark> Yeah, volume sliders are 100% up 100% of the way lolz
#38 [03:02] <|Kiikun|Janus|> even the ones in the windows volume mixer?
#39 [03:03] <mtdark> yep!
#40 [03:03] <mtdark> it takes about 35-50 restarts of MC, for it to have any sound every time
#41 [03:04] <|Kiikun|Janus|> not using any mods?
#42 [03:04] <mtdark> no mods what so ever
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#44 [03:05] <|Kiikun|Janus|> ?? forceupdate
#45 [03:05] <VoxelHead> forceupdate: You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#46 [03:05] <VoxelHead> forceupdate: To do so, start Minecraft, press 'Options' (above the 'Login' button), Press 'Force update!', then press 'Done', and login to Minecraft.
#47 [03:05] <mtdark> I did that like 10 times, hasn't helped any :(
#48 [03:05] <|Kiikun|Janus|> ok. was just a first, simple, step :P
#49 [03:06] <|Kiikun|Janus|> :lwjgl/update
#50 [03:06] <WugBot> lwjgl/update: Some versions of linux may not work out of the box with the lwjgl libraries included with minecraft. You may need to update the lwjgl libraries to make minecraft run.
#51 [03:06] <WugBot> lwjgl/update: Download lwjgl (version 2.8.3) from the following link and replace the files in .../bin and .../bin/natives with the identical entries from the zip file. LWJGL download: http://lwjgl.org/download.php
#52 [03:06] <|Kiikun|Janus|> ignore the mentions of linux and try updating lwjgl
#53 [03:07] <|Kiikun|Janus|> ?? win/.minecraft
#54 [03:07] <VoxelHead> win/.minecraft: To get at Minecraft's locally stored files on Windows, press Win+R, and in the window that appears, type "%AppData%", and click OK. The folder you want is ".minecraft".
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#56 [03:10] <mtdark> still no fix :(
#57 [03:12] <GreyVulpine> Try deleting the bin and resource folders from the .minecraft folder. Launch the launcher again to have minecraft redownload them
#58 [03:13] <|Kiikun|Janus|> thanks grey... was getting stumped :P
#59 [03:13] <mtdark> :/ I did hta ta bunch of times lol
#60 [03:13] <mtdark> kinda stumped as to why it happens actually, cause it happens on my desktop, and 2 laptops lol
#61 [03:14] <GreyVulpine> Have you checked the resource folder, see if there's actually any files there?
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#63 [03:15] <mtdark> yeah, and sound works after about 35-50 restarts of MC no matter what it seems like
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#65 [03:17] * |Kiikun|Janus| wonders if f3+s still works
#65 [03:17] <GreyVulpine> It might
#66 [03:24] <|Kiikun|Janus|> mtdark: pressing f3 and s (like you would with shift and s to get S) shoudl reload the soundsystem. try it a few times and see if it works. also we could have you run the game so it outputs debug info to the console.
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#68 [03:27] <Mingeraft> When I have no sound, I just disable and enable the sound and it works.
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#75 [06:00] <[L]> Problem. :l
#76 [06:00] <lemon-rev> ?
#77 [06:00] <[L]> 1.3 Map will not update to 1.2
#78 [06:00] <[L]> Yet works fine in 1.1
#79 [06:00] <lemon-rev> what does it do when trying to update
#80 [06:00] <[L]> What
#81 [06:00] <[L]> It crashes MC when trying to convert to 1.2
#82 [06:01] <[L]> Doesn't ever convert for 1.1
#83 [06:02] <lemon-rev> wired
#84 [06:02] <|Kiikun|Janus|> beta 1.3 map?
#85 [06:02] <lemon-rev> was it a map with mods ?
#86 [06:04] <[L]> :l
#87 [06:04] <[L]> lemon-rev: Let me ask something.
#88 [06:04] <[L]> If it works in 1.1
#89 [06:04] <[L]> Why would you ask me that?
#90 [06:04] <lemon-rev> because its not converting once you got it done for 1.1
#91 [06:04] <lemon-rev> ?
#92 [06:05] <[L]> 1.1 never converted it.
#93 [06:05] <[L]> It just... Ran
#94 [06:05] <lemon-rev> hm
#95 [06:05] <[L]> It's a beta 1.3 map untouched since
#96 [06:05] <[L]> This is a common issue too
#97 [06:05] <lemon-rev> i see, well i found out that the nether now is stuffed up as well in 1.2.3 it fickers and slows down massively
#98 [06:05] <lemon-rev> thats in single player as well
#99 [06:06] <[L]> http://gyazo.com/1430cecd39a7b19eeb9c213d39f05da1.png?1330945432
#100 [06:06] <[L]> Tried it in server
#101 [06:06] <[L]> Didn't turn out so well
#102 [06:06] <lemon-rev> sounds like it hates a file in the conversion
#103 [06:07] <[L]> Someone said it's a region error
#104 [06:07] <lemon-rev> odd, region but mc doesnt work with region code
#105 [06:07] <[L]> :l
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#126 [08:44] <mib_qyl8pv> !check 195.241.14.150
#127 [08:58] <mib_qyl8pv> !check 195.241.14.150
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#131 [09:20] <ShadowBlaze18> Hi
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#133 [09:20] <Electrochock> Hello someone help me About "Fists of Resistance" ?
#134 [09:20] <ShadowBlaze18> Does anyone know how to allocate more memory to a regular minecraft server.jar?
#135 [09:21] <GreyVulpine> With the -Xms/-Xmx arguments
#136 [09:21] <Electrochock> oh it's okay.
#137 [09:21] <Electrochock> i found it
#138 [09:21] <ShadowBlaze18> GreyVulpine can you please give me an example I tried making them higher but it spammed can't keep up
#139 [09:22] <ShadowBlaze18> Idk whats going on with it I have 6.00 GB of RAM more then enough
#140 [09:22] <Calinou> ShadowBlaze18: "can't keep up" sometimes pops up for no reason when you start a server
#141 [09:22] <GreyVulpine> Can't keep up could mean other things, your CPU not keeping up, the computer itself being overloaded, too many players, too many entities...
#142 [09:22] <Calinou> also... it may be CPU issues, if you have a limited CPu
#143 [09:22] <ShadowBlaze18> No it spams it
#144 [09:23] <Calinou> then, lots of players/entities
#145 [09:23] <ShadowBlaze18> What about internet connection?
#146 [09:23] <GreyVulpine> How are you starting the server right now
#147 [09:23] <ShadowBlaze18> Oh well from my wired connection
#148 [09:23] <GreyVulpine> Internet connection would not do the "can't keep up" message
#149 [09:23] <ShadowBlaze18> Hmmm
#150 [09:23] <GreyVulpine> That's a game tick/server time mismatch.
#151 [09:23] <ShadowBlaze18> Lemme get the codes
#152 [09:24] <ShadowBlaze18> Im going to turn my server on
#153 [09:25] <GreyVulpine> How are you launching the server?
#154 [09:25] <ShadowBlaze18> With Run.bat
#155 [09:25] <GreyVulpine> Right click the run.bat, choose "edit"
#156 [09:25] <GreyVulpine> Paste the command line you're using
#157 [09:25] <ShadowBlaze18> Ok
#158 [09:25] <ShadowBlaze18> Ok
#159 [09:26] <ShadowBlaze18> One moment
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#161 [09:26] <ShadowBlaze18> java -Xms512M -Xmx1G -jar minecraft_server.jar
#162 [09:26] <GreyVulpine> -Xms512M means you're starting the server with 512 megs of RAM.
#163 [09:26] <ShadowBlaze18> I tried java -Xms1024M -Xmx2G -jar minecraft_server.jar
#164 [09:27] <GreyVulpine> -Xmx1G means the max it'll allocate for heap is 1 gig
#165 [09:27] <GreyVulpine> How many people are on the server at a time?
#166 [09:27] <ShadowBlaze18> It still spammed with java -Xms1024M -Xmx2G -jar minecraft_server.jar
#167 [09:27] <ShadowBlaze18> well usually 5-7
#168 [09:27] <ShadowBlaze18> 3-5
#169 [09:27] <GreyVulpine> Then it's most likely not a RAM problem
#170 [09:28] <ShadowBlaze18> RAM problem hmmmm
#171 [09:28] <ShadowBlaze18> I have 6.00 GB of RAM though
#172 [09:28] <ShadowBlaze18> but my computer has increasignly got slower
#173 [09:28] <ShadowBlaze18> could it be a virus?
#174 [09:28] <GreyVulpine> That's fine. Unless you're using dozens of plugins on a modded server, 5-7 people will not be taxing a gigabyte of RAM
#175 [09:29] <ShadowBlaze18> well it spams the message every 3 seconds
#176 [09:29] <GreyVulpine> I have no idea ShadowBlaze18. It could be that you're running other background processes. It could be that the map is just getting big, or the map has corrupt chunks/data/player info. It could be that one or more players decided to have fun with spawning TNT/entities/whatever
#177 [09:29] <ShadowBlaze18> I changed it to java -Xms1024M -Xmx2G -jar minecraft_server.jar
#178 [09:29] <ShadowBlaze18> hmmmmm
#179 [09:29] <GreyVulpine> It could be that your computer just isn't up to snuff of running a server. I don't know, not without more information
#180 [09:30] <ShadowBlaze18> well grey I used to be able to run one 6 weeks ago
#181 [09:30] <GreyVulpine> With a 1.1 server?
#182 [09:30] <ShadowBlaze18> 1.2.3
#183 [09:30] <GreyVulpine> 1.2.3 wasn't out 6 weeks ago
#184 [09:31] <ShadowBlaze18> oh 1.1
#185 [09:31] <Calinou> I use -Xms1024M -Xmx1024M works perfectly, 1.1 and 1.2.3
#186 [09:31] <ShadowBlaze18> oh ok thanks I will try that
#187 [09:31] <GreyVulpine> ShadowBlaze18 - So, you went through the 1.1 -> 1.2.3 map conversion process alright?
#188 [09:31] <ShadowBlaze18> no I deleted everything
#189 [09:31] <GreyVulpine> Did you continue your old 1.1 map, or..
#190 [09:32] <ShadowBlaze18> I deleted the old world
#191 [09:32] <GreyVulpine> Hmm.
#192 [09:32] <GreyVulpine> Are you running pure vanilla? No mods?
#193 [09:32] <ShadowBlaze18> I am running pure regular minecraft
#194 [09:32] <ShadowBlaze18> not vanilla
#195 [09:33] <ShadowBlaze18> I wanted to use bukkit but I could get no help with the new one
#196 [09:34] <ShadowBlaze18> now its spamming can't keep up again
#197 [09:34] <GreyVulpine> This sounds like a problem with an overloaded CPU/Computer
#198 [09:34] <ShadowBlaze18> I closed many proccess
#199 [09:35] <ShadowBlaze18> *processes
#200 [09:36] <ShadowBlaze18> wait it should be able to keep up I have 95% of memory allocated to minecraft left
#201 [09:36] <GreyVulpine> Close down any programs you don't need. Check your Windows Task manager for CPU usage for the java process. Make sure you have plenty of available RAM, and that no other processes is sucking up resources
#202 [09:36] <ShadowBlaze18> cpu usage 49%
#203 [09:36] <GreyVulpine> Is this a laptop or desktop?
#204 [09:36] <ShadowBlaze18> desktop
#205 [09:38] <GreyVulpine> Don't quite know what else to suggest here. Have you tried having the server create a new world again?
#206 [09:38] <ShadowBlaze18> over and over
#207 [09:38] <ShadowBlaze18> yes
#208 [09:39] <ShadowBlaze18> Well it might just be a virus so I will have to call bestbuy to remove it
#209 [09:39] * oldtopman shudders
#209 [09:39] <ShadowBlaze18> thank you for helping me, I appreciate it
#210 [09:39] <GreyVulpine> Good luck.
#211 [09:41] <ShadowBlaze18> thank you
#212 [09:41] <ShadowBlaze18> thank you
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#215 [09:56] <Dusty> hey channel, anyone know a command to close or hide the dos window without shutting down either minecraft or the server version? ex: java -Xms650m -jar "C:\Documents and Settings\Username\Desktop\minecraft.exe -cp
#216 [09:57] <Dusty> I tried -hp or removing -cp but then either it gets shut down or the dos window hangs around.. its quite annoying..
#217 [09:59] <GreyVulpine> Unfortunately, there's no way
#218 [10:00] <Dusty> seriously? that stupid window doesn't exist in the jar loader
#219 [10:00] <Dusty> imo why should the cmd line be any different
#220 [10:01] <Dusty> i'm just sayin if the jar can perform the same function without leaving it up, there must be some way to do it
#221 [10:01] <TheNoodle> I wonder if windows has a version of screen.
#222 [10:02] <Dusty> eh?
#223 [10:06] <Dusty> well lets start with where these cmds are coming from are they dos? or some java set? an either way is there a directory of said cmds?
#224 [10:08] <GreyVulpine> Java, means to start the java application with the proceeding arguments. -Xms650, means Java will be passed the starting heap memory allocation of 650 megs.
#225 [10:08] <Dusty> no i mean the -cp
#226 [10:08] <GreyVulpine> -jar, means to pass the argument of running the .jar file, located at: "C:\Documents and Settings\Username\Desktop\minecraft.exe
#227 [10:08] <GreyVulpine> The -cp, in your case, is unneeded.
#228 [10:08] <Dusty> is that some dos extension cmd or some java specific cmd
#229 [10:09] <GreyVulpine> java
#230 [10:09] <Dusty> this way I can look at a list of said - functions
#231 [10:09] <Dusty> ok ty, does it have a proper name for its cmd list?
#232 [10:09] <GreyVulpine> Nope
#233 [10:10] <Dusty> so, theres no directory or help file of sorts to see all said cmds?
#234 [10:10] <GreyVulpine> See http://docs.oracle.com/javase/1.4.2/docs/tooldocs/windows/java.html
#235 [10:10] <GreyVulpine> Probably the closest you'll get
#236 [10:10] <Dusty> i see, its an arguement table of sorts, ty
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#239 [10:11] <ubuntuchosen> Hello guys
#240 [10:11] <ubuntuchosen> Maybe someone would help?
#241 [10:11] <Zearik> Can mods from 1.1 work in the new 1.2?
#242 [10:11] <GreyVulpine> Zearik - Nope
#243 [10:11] <GreyVulpine> ubuntuchosen - With?
#244 [10:12] <ubuntuchosen> GreyVulpine: Well Minecraft/Paypal doesnt understand that I want to buy minecraft and keeps returning me errors, which means I can't buy minecraft via PayPal.
#245 [10:12] <Zearik> Yeah, Like I want to put a mod from 1.1 into 1.2, can it work when its made for 1.1?
#246 [10:12] <ubuntuchosen> I tried two accounts, one with a credit card attached and the second without any card, pure paypal balance
#247 [10:12] <GreyVulpine> Zearik - No. Each and every time minecraft updates, mods break. Mods are compiled and ran against the version of minecraft they're built on
#248 [10:13] <GreyVulpine> They are not backwards, or forwards compatible.
#249 [10:13] <GreyVulpine> ubuntuchosen - This is going to be something you'll need to take up with Paypal. We're community-run support, and have no connection to the payment solution providers that Mojang connects with
#250 [10:14] <Zearik> Thank you, I have two more questions. 1) The new mc patcher isnt working on my computer, it says some error message that has to do with an 'incorrect destination' whats that mean?
#251 [10:14] <ubuntuchosen> GreyVulpine: Oh.. thanks anyway. I just wanted to ask if anybody had any problem with it or something
#252 [10:14] <GreyVulpine> ubuntuchosen - Haven't heard of any recent problems with Paypal.
#253 [10:14] <ubuntuchosen> GreyVulpine: Okay, thanks a lot and have a nice day :-)
#254 [10:15] <GreyVulpine> Zearik - Probably going to need to know the full error before I can say anything. Are you running the latest 1.2.3 Mc patcher?
#255 [10:16] <Zearik> I was trying to, it wasnt working because of that message. It mightve been cause of a seperate program I deleted but Im not for sure. My minecraft server said the same thing
#256 [10:17] <GreyVulpine> I'm going to need to see the error. Can you share it?
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#258 [10:23] <Zearik> I take that back, its working and booted me off here
#259 [10:24] <Zearik> My last question is where can I go to get a working survival server to join that doesnt need a premium?
#260 [10:27] <Dusty> eh? since when do servers have a premium membership requirement?
#261 [10:27] <Dusty> or is he mistaken
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#264 [10:45] <Mingeraft> How is the other type of racism called where a person hates people from other country?
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#267 [11:04] <|Kiikun|> Mingeraft: Nationalism? Xenophobic? something like those
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#274 [11:31] <Fiori> hello
#275 [11:31] <EyesIsMine> hi
#276 [11:31] <EyesIsMine> fu
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#280 [11:54] <|Kiikun|> RotMG is.... sorta fun o.o;
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#282 [11:58] <Pool> Good evenning
#283 [12:00] <Pool> I want to create texture items for minecraft. Here I have some qeustion. Could anybody help me please ?
#284 [12:02] <|Kiikun|> Pool: http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/659230-the-all-inclusive-guide-to-texturing-updated-for-12/
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#286 [12:03] <Pool> Hi Kikun , thanks a lot for your time and help
#287 [12:04] <lukapw8> Here's a question. I have three copies of Minecraft (I mean, serial numbers, codes, whatever). Is there any way I can get Android version for free or do I have to pay for that too?
#288 [12:04] <Morrolan> You'll have to pay for that one too.
#289 [12:04] <Morrolan> Not related to the PC version at all. :)
#290 [12:04] <lukapw8> K, thanks.
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#292 [12:11] <bejoe905> what does it mean when you get an http response code 500 when trying to connect to a server?
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#294 [12:17] <oldtopman> lukapw8: Where did you get 3 codes from?
#295 [12:17] <lukapw8> I bought it when MC was in beta. It was 3 codes in package, I don't remember the price
#296 [12:18] <Boreeas> :|
#297 [12:18] <lukapw8> from http://www.minecraft.net/
#298 [12:18] <Boreeas> I don't think minecraft ever had a three-codes-packet, no?
#299 [12:19] <Pool> Dear Kikun, I checked the documentions and here is my question how can I create non geometric terrains , example decoration on building. Do you have another URL for me. I did not find it in google
#300 [12:21] <lukapw8> @Boreeas, hmm, it had something like that, cuz I use one, and two of my friends reedemed minecraft using codes I got... http://www.minecraft.net/profile confirms that
#301 [12:22] <Boreeas> Ah well, maybe I'm wrong then
#302 [12:22] <Pool> Kiikun, I have a expamble: http://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://www.zeno.org/Meyers-1905.images/I/Wm02488b.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.zeno.org/Meyers-1905/I/Wm02488b&h=3304&w=2092&sz=1578&tbnid=4Z9T83iau9NwJM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=57&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dbaustile%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=baustile&hl=de&usg=__lCK1fmfOe2txdEJqFRI6o9ET4y0=&sa=X&ei=JfZUT773Kcmc0Q
#303 [12:26] <Pool> can anybody help me please ?
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#310 [12:51] <bejoe905> so, no one knows what an http response code 500 means when connecting to a server?
#311 [12:52] <sugoi> bejoe905: 500 is 'internal server error'
#312 [13:08] <sugoi> bejoe905: when you make an http request to a server, and during the processing of that request the server throws an exception, the server has the option to catch that exception and return a message to the client that an exception occurred, that is a 500
#313 [13:09] <bejoe905> :/ weird...
#314 [13:09] <sugoi> without having me scroll and parse your comments - what is your issue?
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#316 [13:10] <bejoe905> i was trying to connect to the server i play on all the time, and i kept getting an http 500 error, it seemed like minecraft.net was choking on my login or something
#317 [13:11] <bejoe905> it have me a session.minecraft.net like with my info in the url
#318 [13:11] <bejoe905> gave*
#319 [13:11] <sugoi> bejoe905: well my questions to help diagnose the problem would all be based on versions involved
#320 [13:12] <bejoe905> im running 1.2.3, as well as the server
#321 [13:12] <sugoi> i.e. vanilla versions vs modded
#322 [13:12] <sugoi> and no modding?
#323 [13:12] <bejoe905> yes, the server has a ton of mods, and I have zombe's modpack
#324 [13:13] <sugoi> 3 suggestions
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#326 [13:14] <sugoi> 1. you could pinpoint the mod at fault using a process of elimination; 2. sometimes a temporary delation on the server side of the user's dat file correct login issues (backup first if your current inventory+stats was of significant value); 3. now i can't remember the thir
#327 [13:14] <sugoi> third :)
#328 [13:15] <sugoi> oh, 3. the server likely is creating a log of the exception, that log would give us a stack of the error (well, most likely it would)
#329 [13:15] <sugoi> that stack could help us quickly identify the mod at fault
#330 [13:16] <bejoe905> ive never gotten it before today, and idk if updated bukkit mods would have done it...
#331 [13:16] <bejoe905> i can see if i can get a stacktrace from the owner of the server, but dont count on it lol
#332 [13:16] <sugoi> have you tried connecting without your client mods?
#333 [13:16] <sugoi> could you have the admin delete (or move) your user dat file?
#334 [13:17] <bejoe905> i can see if he will, and my client mods havent affected i at all
#335 [13:17] <bejoe905> it still did it vn=anilla
#336 [13:17] <sugoi> ok
#337 [13:17] <sugoi> assuming other users are enjoying the server - a removal of your user dat file i would expect would fix it
#338 [13:18] <sugoi> well, fix it now, not fix the cause
#339 [13:18] <sugoi> that's a mod issue
#340 [13:18] <sugoi> hopefully, you aren't losing too much by losing your dat file
#341 [13:18] <bejoe905> i put all my stuff in my chests, and the owner has backups of everything
#342 [13:18] <bejoe905> including the backups.
#343 [13:19] <sugoi> well thats good
#344 [13:25] <bejoe905> the owner just told me that an http 500 error upon connect would be caused by mojang's login servers, not by them
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#346 [13:27] <TheNoodle> Wouldn't that be a 503?
#347 [13:27] <sugoi> i had failed to consider during this conversation that the client-server protocol is not http, but a custom raw protocol, and a '500' would not be expected in this way
#348 [13:28] <sugoi> 503 service unavailable, 500 internal server error (exception, typically)
#349 [13:28] <sugoi> bejoe905: but mojang giving 500 for you and only you doesn't make sense
#350 [13:28] <bejoe905> well, maybe it's happened to more people, but no one's come to report it
#351 [13:29] <sugoi> bejoe905: when excatly does this 500 get shown to you?
#352 [13:29] <bejoe905> after i double-click on the server, and it does the logging in thing, it shows me the error
#353 [13:31] <sugoi> so at that point, it is his server sending your login credentials, and presumably getting a 500 from mojang, and forwarding that to you
#354 [13:31] <sugoi> either way, he is in that handshake, and it could be in his logs :)
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#356 [13:32] <bejoe905> alright, ill see if i can get him to scrub the logs for it
#357 [13:33] <sugoi> bejoe905: i still don't see the harm in moving out your dat file
#358 [13:33] <sugoi> if that works, it'd be interesting to note
#359 [13:34] <bejoe905> well, lets see if he can get a stacktrace first lol
#360 [13:35] <bejoe905> he didnt find mine, but he found one for someone else
#361 [13:36] <sugoi> interseting
#362 [13:36] <sugoi> es(
#363 [13:36] <sugoi> es***
#364 [13:37] <sugoi> bejoe905: when you have any logs to paste, use pastebin btw
#365 [13:37] <sugoi> :pastebin
#366 [13:37] <WugBot> pastebin: Please use pastebin to share error logs or long messages, do not flood the channel. http://pastebin.com Paste your text into the box, click 'Submit' and give us the link from the address bar.
#367 [13:37] <bejoe905> if i can get my irc client to copy-paste, that is lol
#368 [13:39] <bejoe905> http://pastebin.com/QzGeW5dP
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#375 [13:45] <sugoi> bejoe905: and you start up a local server && connect to it?
#376 [13:45] <sugoi> make everything vanilla
#377 [13:46] <sugoi> this would show you that your account login request works
#378 [13:46] <bejoe905> yeah, lemme go do that real quick
#379 [13:46] <roomram> I create a local server and I want to host it so everyone could play in the server
#380 [13:46] <sugoi> it would show that his server is 'different' is some failing way
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#382 [13:46] <sugoi> roomram: cool, what's your question?
#383 [13:47] <sugoi> bejoe905: can*, not 'and' :) but apparently you understood :)
#384 [13:47] <roomram> were can i get a free host for my server
#385 [13:47] <sugoi> roomram: does not exist
#386 [13:47] <sugoi> roomram: but you can host it yourself
#387 [13:47] <sugoi> i host my own
#388 [13:47] <bejoe905> the only free hosts are those people willing and able to host one remotely for you.
#389 [13:48] <sugoi> roomram: i'll manage one for you if you pay part of my internet bill :)
#390 [13:48] <bejoe905> xD
#391 [13:49] <roomram> so i can only play with people in my hamachi??
#392 [13:50] <sugoi> roomram: woah, no hamachi
#393 [13:50] <sugoi> roomram: you can run your own server, without hamachi, and ppl can join
#394 [13:50] <sugoi> why do you think you need hamachi?
#395 [13:51] * sugoi strongly recommends you do not use hamachi for mcs
#395 [13:51] <roomram> becouse i need ip and I don't know how to get it
#396 [13:51] <sugoi> roomram: ipchicken.com
#397 [13:52] <roomram> what is site??
#398 [13:52] <clarjon1> We don't support hamachi.
#399 [13:52] <sugoi> tells you your ip
#400 [13:52] <roomram> yes so if i give this to people they can enter
#401 [13:53] * sugoi runs as clarjon1 jumps in to take the kill, like a hyena to a lion
#401 [13:53] <clarjon1> heh.
#402 [13:53] <sugoi> roomram: you have to port forward on your router, but yes
#403 [13:53] <clarjon1> :hamachi
#404 [13:53] <WugBot> hamachi: Hamachi is sofrware designed to emulate a local area network over the internet. It can be used in specific situations to allow software that only works over such a local network to work over the internet.
#405 [13:53] <WugBot> hamachi: Minecraft Servers work fine over the internet without hamachi (if they're set up correctly). Hamachi does nothing that minecraft does not already do, except add extra complications.
#406 [13:54] <clarjon1> Also, hamachi is squatting on IP addresses reserved for other people.
#407 [13:54] <clarjon1> :)
#408 [13:54] <roomram> thanks for the help
#409 [13:54] <sugoi> roomram: share your ip with your friends, port forward to the right box -- even reserve the local ip for your server box so...
#410 [13:55] <sugoi> '...' == cursing for trying to help ppl
#411 [13:55] <clarjon1> inorite
#412 [13:55] <sugoi> clarjon1: i'd laugh, seriously laugh, if in 10, 20 minutes he comes back "ppl get connection refused"
#413 [13:58] <bejoe905> sugoi, it let me log on to a vanilla server with a vanilla client
#414 [13:58] <sugoi> bejoe905: i can't see how this isn't your admin's fault, then
#415 [13:59] <sugoi> bejoe905: partially mojang's fault too, they should have a better error than 500
#416 [13:59] <bejoe905> it could have been a hiccup on mojang's part, seeing as how the error was occurring about 2 hours ago :?
#417 [13:59] <sugoi> if there truly is a problem with the request packet from the server, mojang's auth server should be nice about it
#418 [13:59] <sugoi> bejoe905: and not anymore?
#419 [14:00] <bejoe905> no, not since i came to the channel for help :/
#420 [14:00] <sugoi> bejoe905: haha
#421 [14:00] <sugoi> bejoe905: i suppose
#422 [14:00] * bejoe905 curses murphy's law
#422 [14:00] <sugoi> when i googled the error, everything was from last october
#423 [14:00] <sugoi> and there was a lot of chatter about it
#424 [14:00] <sugoi> but suddenly it stopped
#425 [14:00] <sugoi> again, mojang should handle these errors more verbosely
#426 [14:01] <sugoi> even if the server was at fault for sending a poorly formatted packet, 500's are usually bad practice
#427 [14:01] <sugoi> in other words, 500 should not the 'correct' way to handle it
#428 [14:01] <bejoe905> well, we know Notch, he doesnt know how to error.
#429 [14:01] <sugoi> 500 is more like, 'we havent programmed a way to handle that yet'
#430 [14:01] <sugoi> heh
#431 [14:02] <bejoe905> maybe we should get Mollstam working on a proper malformed packet handler.
#432 [14:04] <sugoi> bejoe905: next time it happens, test your local server
#433 [14:04] <sugoi> bejoe905: btw, i don't think local single player counts
#434 [14:04] <sugoi> not sure, but it would be best to test against a server (all vanilla, client and server)
#435 [14:04] <sugoi> just to rule out some things
#436 [14:04] <bejoe905> local singleplayer is basically playing offline, isnt it?
#437 [14:05] <sugoi> bejoe905: i don't know, but i wouldn't be surprised if it was
#438 [14:05] <sugoi> there is still some auth going on
#439 [14:05] <bejoe905> i would think so, since the only thing dl'ed from their servers is your skin
#440 [14:05] <sugoi> but it could be different enough to not help us rule out anything
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#442 [14:12] <roomram> i'm back, it says to me perhaps the server is already running on this port. what to do
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#444 [14:13] <sugoi> kill it
#445 [14:13] <roomram> ??
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#447 [14:17] <sugoi> kill the process using that port
#448 [14:18] <roomram> nothing is using that port
#449 [14:19] <sugoi> roomram: then it is available
#450 [14:19] <roomram> no
#451 [14:19] <sugoi> :)
#452 [14:19] <roomram> :(
#453 [14:20] <sugoi> roomram: this is a simple operating system feature - minecraft does not hack your OS port service so when it is killed/stopped the port remains unavailable
#454 [14:20] <sugoi> roomram: so trust me, if the port is unavailable, someone is using it
#455 [14:20] <roomram> thats why I used hamachi
#456 [14:21] <sugoi> that doesn't change anything
#457 [14:21] <sugoi> even with hamachi, you can't run to servers on the same port
#458 [14:21] <roomram> when i used hamachi it work but now it dosn't work
#459 [14:22] <sugoi> roomram: your just arguing and not understanding, it is avery simple rule, if the port is in use, you can bind to it with another process
#460 [14:22] <sugoi> roomram: if you aren't able to determine what is bound to it, a reboot will clear your ports in use
#461 [14:22] <sugoi> you're*
#462 [14:23] <sugoi> can't*
#463 [14:23] <Boreeas> roomram: Imagine it like this: A port is like an outlet, and the server is the plug. But the server can't plug into the o utlet if another program is already using it
#464 [14:23] <sugoi> typos!! :) yay
#465 [14:23] <roomram> let's try
#466 [14:24] <sugoi> Boreeas: i often forget the "n't" on words
#467 [14:24] <sugoi> Boreeas: made for one really bad break up letter i wrote to a girl in highschool
#468 [14:24] <sugoi> i honestly don't remember the details, but i remember that as the root of the problem
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#476 [14:48] <figaro> Hi there, my problem is that on my new server I made it was working all weekend but now when I try to login it says "Downloading Terrain" and then it says "Connection Lost... Timed Out". Then the server freezes up and I have to pull up task manager to shut it off. Can anyone help me out here?
#477 [14:48] <sugoi> mods and versions (client and server) ?
#478 [14:50] <figaro> No mods, its version 1.2.3 and Im using a Hamachi server. The server itself though is of course the java one you get from the Minecraft.net site.
#479 [14:50] <sugoi> :hamachi
#480 [14:50] <WugBot> hamachi: Hamachi is sofrware designed to emulate a local area network over the internet. It can be used in specific situations to allow software that only works over such a local network to work over the internet.
#481 [14:50] <WugBot> hamachi: Minecraft Servers work fine over the internet without hamachi (if they're set up correctly). Hamachi does nothing that minecraft does not already do, except add extra complications.
#482 [14:51] <sugoi> figaro: we've seen various failures+issues with hamachi networks for mc
#483 [14:51] <sugoi> figaro: besides that - i would try moving all your player dats to a backup, then try logging in again
#484 [14:52] <figaro> How can I move the player data to a backup?
#485 [14:53] <sugoi> figaro: on the server, there is a folder called "players" in the world folder
#486 [14:53] <figaro> K Ive got that file up
#487 [14:53] <sugoi> figaro: you could just rename it, say to "players-bk"
#488 [14:53] <sugoi> then start up the server again, and try to login
#489 [14:54] <figaro> That worked, great thanks so much :)
#490 [14:56] <sugoi> figaro: glad to help
#491 [14:56] <sugoi> figaro: the player dat had things like your experience points, and your inventory
#492 [14:56] <sugoi> figaro: also, current location
#493 [14:57] <sugoi> figaro: your trouble could happen again, this isn't a fix of the root, just the symptom
#494 [14:57] <sugoi> figaro: return to the area where your char was last, and see if you can login again at that point
#495 [14:58] <sugoi> figaro: if the problem reoccurs, the only other bandaid i can think of is to use mcedit to fix chunks
#496 [14:59] <figaro> K, yea was just about to download mc edit. My friend said I should get it. Now what do you mean by "fixing chunks" with it though?
#497 [15:01] <sugoi> a world (in mc) is made up of chunks), mcedit can resave a world and fix some types of malformed/corrupted chunks
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#499 [15:02] <figaro> Corrupted chunks... sorta like a giant 12x12 hole going all the way down through minecraft? XD I just noticed this anormous hole in a field right next to my town.
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#502 [15:03] <sugoi> figaro: heh, that is a form of corruption, but typically because a chunk didn't get saved before the mc server process stopped
#503 [15:03] <sugoi> i.e. it's in limbo :)
#504 [15:04] <sugoi> figaro: but there are other invisible errors than mcedit has been noted for fixing
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#506 [15:04] <figaro> Could that chunk maybe have not been saved properly if I just exited out of the server program instead of using the command "stop" like it says I should?
#507 [15:04] <figaro> Thats what I accidentally did last night and wondered if it might cause a problem.
#508 [15:05] <sugoi> absolutely, that could be it
#509 [15:05] <sugoi> but i'm surprised you can visit the area now, and all we've done is moved dat files
#510 [15:05] <sugoi> figaro: i would strongly suggest mcedit and resave the world files
#511 [15:06] <figaro> Ok I`ll get right on that
#512 [15:07] <sugoi> figaro: http://mcsaver.net/fixing/maps/
#513 [15:07] <sugoi> the blog post mentions 2 methods he uses, the 2nd is mcedit
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#519 [15:21] <figaro> Ok I got mcedit. I was wondering though, I cant seem to find how to load my online servers world into mcedit. I only found my single player worlds. How might I find my online world?
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#521 [15:21] <sugoi> figaro: you'll need to 'open level' (mcedit)
#522 [15:22] <sugoi> and browse for your world files
#523 [15:22] <sugoi> if you don't have a shared file system, yuo'll need to copy them over (you*'ll)
#524 [15:26] <figaro> Ok I found my world and loaded it. And that big hole isnt neccesarily there. But the blocks are... messed up. Like there all rearranged and such. How should I go about fixing this?
#525 [15:26] <Morrolan> If there's nothing there - select the chunk and delete it (chunk options).
#526 [15:27] <sugoi> figaro: you've reached my point of mcedit knowledge - others here can help, or google for mcedit options/features
#527 [15:28] <sugoi> figaro: share with me what you learn when it's all fixed up :)
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#529 [15:34] <figaro> Will do thx for the help :D
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#535 [16:18] <ginger3456> hello
#536 [16:18] <sugoi> hi
#537 [16:19] <ginger3456> im having a problem with my minecraft launcher. can anyone here help?
#538 [16:19] <sugoi> we can try, what problems are you having?
#539 [16:20] <ginger3456> I am trying to update to 1.2. it gets stuck when trying to download lwjgl.jar
#540 [16:20] <ginger3456> at about 4-10% or so
#541 [16:20] <ginger3456> have tried deleting .minecraft and downloading a new launcher
#542 [16:20] <sugoi> ginger3456: try deleting what is currently there
#543 [16:20] <sugoi> ok
#544 [16:21] <ginger3456> it says fatal error occured(4) connection reset
#545 [16:21] <sugoi> does the launcher application stop responding? or the progress never moves?
#546 [16:21] <sugoi> ok
#547 [16:21] <sugoi> i don't know :)
#548 [16:22] <ginger3456> ok
#549 [16:22] <sugoi> ginger3456: wait here, pretty much ever other + in here knows more than me
#550 [16:22] <sugoi> except for Grim_Reaper
#551 [16:22] <sugoi> he doesn't really know anything
#552 [16:22] <ginger3456> my version of java says 1.7.0
#553 [16:22] <ginger3456> :)
#554 [16:22] <ginger3456> could you check what yours is?
#555 [16:22] <sugoi> ah, well it should be 1.6
#556 [16:22] <sugoi> 6 update 31 is best
#557 [16:22] <ginger3456> really?
#558 [16:23] <sugoi> yes
#559 [16:23] <sugoi> really
#560 [16:23] <ginger3456> i develop some in java, so changing it is not an option
#561 [16:23] <sugoi> you can have >1 java installed
#562 [16:25] <sugoi> ginger3456: i would just make 1.7 default, and invoke 6u31 directly for minecraft
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#566 [16:28] <prebb> helo
#567 [16:28] <prebb> When
#568 [16:28] <Grim_Reaper> [23:22] <+sugoi> he doesn't really know anything
#569 [16:28] <Grim_Reaper> p_p riiiight
#570 [16:28] <sugoi> ha!
#571 [16:29] <prebb> I try to connect to my friends server ith hamachi but im getting a error after downloading terrain have been alot
#572 [16:29] <ginger3456> anyone keen on helping?
#573 [16:29] <sugoi> ginger3456: i'm not kidding on java 6, bro
#574 [16:29] <sugoi> ginger3456: mc is not compatable w/ 7
#575 [16:29] <Grim_Reaper> ginger3456, update to java version 6.31
#576 [16:30] <sugoi> ginger3456: and by update he means downgrade
#577 [16:30] <sugoi> prebb: hamachi causes ppl issues w/ mc, we don't support it
#578 [16:30] <Grim_Reaper> Uninstall the current version you have
#579 [16:30] <Grim_Reaper> And then install java 6
#580 [16:30] <sugoi> Grim_Reaper: he said he needs 7 for work
#581 [16:30] <ginger3456> but i attend a class in uni that requires jre7
#582 [16:30] <Grim_Reaper> ._.
#583 [16:30] <Grim_Reaper> Hmm
#584 [16:30] <sugoi> you can have both
#585 [16:30] <ginger3456> o?
#586 [16:30] <Grim_Reaper> Oh does it let you?
#587 [16:31] <Grim_Reaper> I thought they conflict?
#588 [16:31] <prebb> what else does work then??
#589 [16:31] <sugoi> ...this the first time i've heard that, i thought you could have as many as you want and you just specify which you want explicitly in the command line
#590 [16:31] <Grim_Reaper> prebb. You dont need hamachi
#591 [16:31] <prebb> portforwarding seems not to work for me
#592 [16:31] <sugoi> prebb: then that's an issue with how you are configuring port forwarding
#593 [16:31] <Grim_Reaper> ^
#594 [16:31] <prebb> no, because
#595 [16:32] <prebb> I have done everything that they said on portforward.com
#596 [16:32] <Grim_Reaper> Also I would just maybe install a virtual os if it's possible and have java 7 on there
#597 [16:32] <ginger3456> prebb: google port fowarding and the name of your router. Make sure you are not behind double firewalls
#598 [16:32] <Grim_Reaper> Though I would imagine it could be abit of a hassle
#599 [16:32] <ginger3456> a bit
#600 [16:32] <Grim_Reaper> But as far as Im aware. I would imagine java 7/6 would conflict with each other
#601 [16:32] <ginger3456> i use it every day
#602 [16:33] <sugoi> i really don't think they conflict, you just invoke a different jre
#603 [16:33] <Grim_Reaper> I could be wrong though
#604 [16:33] <Grim_Reaper> But yeah
#605 [16:33] <sugoi> but i'm a c++/c# developer, not java
#606 [16:33] <ginger3456> what if i install java 1.6 but makes sure the path variable java points to 7?
#607 [16:34] <sugoi> prebb: just bc you didn't get port forwarding working, doesn't mean you were doing it right :) but if you insist on disregarding our advice to not use hamachi, try mcedit and fix chunks + resave world in case there are corruptions
#608 [16:34] <ginger3456> hmm. it used to run smooth though
#609 [16:34] <sugoi> prebb: read about world fixing here: http://mcsaver.net/fixing/maps/
#610 [16:34] <Grim_Reaper> You could give that a try ginger3456
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#612 [16:34] <Grim_Reaper> Morrolan might know what to do for sure though
#613 [16:34] * Grim_Reaper prods
#613 [16:34] <Grim_Reaper> Anyways Im off to bed.
#614 [16:34] <ginger3456> are there any ways of getting a hold of the minecraft files?
#615 [16:35] <Grim_Reaper> Which ones?
#616 [16:35] <ginger3456> othar than the launcher
#617 [16:35] <sugoi> ginger3456: what do you mean?
#618 [16:35] <Grim_Reaper> Oh
#619 [16:35] <sugoi> ginger3456: they're all in %appdata%/.minecraft
#620 [16:35] <Grim_Reaper> ^
#621 [16:35] <ginger3456> i mean gettin a .zip with all the files i need
#622 [16:35] <Grim_Reaper> You can copy them from the %appdata%
#623 [16:35] <sugoi> ginger3456: ah, that
#624 [16:35] <ginger3456> i know, but that folder has beeen deleted
#625 [16:35] <sugoi> Grim_Reaper: he means, without updating via laucnher
#626 [16:35] <Grim_Reaper> Oh
#627 [16:35] <Grim_Reaper> Then Im not sure
#628 [16:36] <ginger3456> yep^
#629 [16:36] <Grim_Reaper> I dont think theres any official site for that
#630 [16:36] <sugoi> ginger3456: i believe TOS says not to....
#631 [16:36] <Grim_Reaper> Yeah
#632 [16:36] <Grim_Reaper> We aren't allowed to share things unless it's from mojang's site(s)
#633 [16:36] <ginger3456> well, when the software i have paid for does not work the way it is supposed to i throw TOS out the window
#634 [16:36] <sugoi> well definitely that, but i also think mojang won't share those directly
#635 [16:37] <sugoi> so they can auth first
#636 [16:37] <sugoi> ginger3456: :)
#637 [16:37] <sugoi> ginger3456: it works with java 6
#638 [16:37] <sugoi> ginger3456: it says this explicitly on their site
#639 [16:37] <ginger3456> yesyes, im not blaming mojang
#640 [16:37] <prebb> What I have done: I have two router in my house. And I'm connected to the 2th router and I have setted it up like this; I took my laptop and connected it directly to the first router and setted op the portforwarding at the config site of the router, and forwarded the ports to the 2 routers external ip adress. Then i connected to the seccond router config page
#641 [16:38] <prebb> and forwarded the ports to my pc ip4 adress
#642 [16:38] <prebb> wirth the same ports
#643 [16:38] <prebb> and the portforwarding dosent work -_-
#644 [16:39] <prebb> somone that understood what I've written?
#645 [16:39] <ginger3456> prebb: use bridgemode in modem
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#647 [16:39] <sugoi> i could ask details to get a clear understanding of the setup, and even help you to get it working
#648 [16:39] <prebb> what? tell me more please
#649 [16:40] <sugoi> but to what end? i'd rather just point you to a google search result :)
#650 [16:40] <prebb> well i've tried everything, I rather buy me anoter modem.. !!
#651 [16:41] <sugoi> bridging is used to join two AP's on one device
#652 [16:41] <sugoi> i don't think that's what he's trying to do
#653 [16:41] <sugoi> his isp modem is likely a router, the 1st, and he has a personal router for his liking
#654 [16:41] <prebb> I'm trying to portfirward behind to routers
#655 [16:41] <prebb> yes
#656 [16:42] <prebb> that right Sugooi
#657 [16:42] <sugoi> prebb: you can 'tab' complete our names
#658 [16:42] <sugoi> prebb: type 'p', [Tab], you'll see 'prebb'
#659 [16:42] <sugoi> well, you'll see 'prebb: '
#660 [16:42] <prebb> ok
#661 [16:43] <prebb> sugoi:
#662 [16:43] <sugoi> well done :)
#663 [16:43] <prebb> XD
#664 [16:43] <ginger3456> prebb: he could just set his modem to bridge to the router and take it from there
#665 [16:43] <prebb> Well all that shit,, rather buy me another internet
#666 [16:43] <prebb> not that expensive
#667 [16:43] <prebb> hah
#668 [16:43] <prebb> bye
#669 [16:44] <sugoi> prebb: it's not an issue with your router
#670 [16:44] <prebb> no, but the modem
#671 [16:44] <prebb> i mean
#672 [16:44] <prebb> i live with my famili cant fuck it up, getting my own modem
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#675 [16:45] <ginger3456> what, was he just kicked for one curseword? no warning?
#676 [16:45] <sugoi> ginger3456: yep
#677 [16:45] <mib_jk15dt> wtf
#678 [16:45] <sugoi> mib_jk15dt: language
#679 [16:45] <mib_jk15dt> ok
#680 [16:45] <mib_jk15dt> bye
#681 [16:45] <mib_jk15dt> fuck
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#684 [16:51] <Boreeas> ginger3456: AuBot is a bot, so it doesn't really keep track of how much people curse, but it doesn't matter, a certain level oh politeness should always be maintained
#685 [16:51] <sugoi> back in the day, politeness was common sense
#686 [16:53] <ginger3456> Boreeas: sure, the problem is that many people incorporate cursewords in their everyday language, and should be given a warning first
#687 [16:53] <ginger3456> Boreeas: i dont really care, but it would be a nice feature
#688 [16:53] <sugoi> ginger3456: that is one perspective - personally i feel people should learn to use mature language on their own time
#689 [16:54] <sugoi> besides, a kick isn't a ban, so actually it is a form of a warning
#690 [16:54] <ginger3456> sugoi: that is true
#691 [16:56] * oldtopman wonders how sugoi doesn't have +v yet.
#691 [16:56] <ginger3456> sugoi: Are we allowed to discuss pirating as an option to my problem?
#692 [16:56] <oldtopman> ginger3456: No.
#693 [16:56] <sugoi> oldtopman: haha
#694 [16:57] <oldtopman> wait
#695 [16:57] * oldtopman is tempted to complain
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#696 [16:57] <sugoi> ginger3456: how about this...
#697 [16:57] <Boreeas> oldtopman: Check your userlist again
#698 [16:57] <sugoi> ginger3456: do you have a 2nd computer?
#699 [16:57] <oldtopman> Boreeas: :<
#700 [16:57] <ginger3456> no,but i have a paralell install of ubuntu
#701 [16:58] <ginger3456> anyone know exactly where the minecraft files are stored under linux?
#702 [16:58] <sugoi> ginger3456: well, even in a vm - install mc, sync to 1.2.3, copy those binaries yourself, delete vm
#703 [16:58] <sugoi> ginger3456: using 6u31 in said vm
#704 [16:58] <sugoi> ginger3456: should be ~/.minecraft
#705 [16:58] <ginger3456> well, ill give it a shit
#706 [16:58] <ginger3456> shot*
#707 [16:58] <sugoi> haha
#708 [16:58] <sugoi> apparently that word is okay
#709 [16:58] <oldtopman> Boreeas: I just thought that he wouldn't have it yet, having only been here for a few weeks.
#710 [16:58] * sugoi pats WugBot
#710 [16:59] <sugoi> oldtopman: i came in november
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#712 [16:59] <sugoi> i think...
#713 [16:59] * sugoi checks logs
#713 [16:59] <oldtopman> sugoi: The bot is trying to filter out pepole raging at us. People who use sh*t aren't likely insane, as opposed to the other people.
#714 [16:59] <oldtopman> -NickServ- Registered : Dec 03 00:42:13 2011 (13 weeks, 2 days, 13:14:34 ago)
#715 [16:59] <sugoi> oldtopman: ah, new to esper
#716 [16:59] <ginger3456> cool beans. ill have to log of to make the changes. thanx for all help. Ill report back if it worked. That way you know this is a solution to the problem
#717 [16:59] <sugoi> didn't register in esper until recently
#718 [17:00] <oldtopman> sugoi: /ns INFO <nick>
#719 [17:00] <sugoi> oldtopman: ^
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#723 [17:17] <ginger3456> hello again
#724 [17:18] <sugoi> ginger3456: hi
#725 [17:18] <ginger3456> anyone still here?
#726 [17:18] <sugoi> ginger3456: are you ignoring my nick?
#727 [17:18] <sugoi> :(
#728 [17:18] <ginger3456> hi:)
#729 [17:18] <ginger3456> didnt see you there :P
#730 [17:18] <sugoi> :)
#731 [17:19] <ginger3456> ell. as it turns out. The programfiles for the ubuntu and windows version are not the same
#732 [17:19] <ginger3456> <enter curseword>
#733 [17:19] <sugoi> :)
#734 [17:19] <sugoi> ginger3456: vm?
#735 [17:19] <sugoi> too much effort? :)
#736 [17:19] <sugoi> again, java 6!?!? :)
#737 [17:20] <ginger3456> i really do not want to tinker with my java download. I have something due tomorrow i have yet to program, and it would be a bit lame if it stopped working
#738 [17:22] <Boreeas> That reminds me, I should probably upgrade to _u31 at some point
#739 [17:23] <ginger3456> aw, what the heck. i really wanted to see the jungle biome...
#740 [17:23] <sugoi> oldtopman: sheesh! found it, first joined Sun Dec 11 00:00:37 2011
#741 [17:24] <Boreeas> I'm pretty confident I joined the day I also registered my nick :P
#742 [17:25] <sugoi> erm, not at that time ... it was at 22:00:51 on Dec 11 2011
#743 [17:28] <ginger3456> There is a folder in .minecraft/bin that is called natives. Is it safe to assume these are the only files different for each od?
#744 [17:28] <ginger3456> os*
#745 [17:28] <sugoi> ginger3456: perhaps not, but i've not tried what youre doing, go for it :)
#746 [17:29] <Boreeas> ginger3456: I'm pretty sure, yes
#747 [17:30] <ginger3456> i realize(spelled correctly) that this may be a bit of a stretch, but coul anyone rapidshare or email me the contents of their natives folder?
#748 [17:30] <sugoi> ginger3456: we cannot
#749 [17:31] <ginger3456> sugoi: ok. Do you know anywhere i could get them?
#750 [17:31] <sugoi> ginger3456: through updating your client w/ the laucnher
#751 [17:31] <sugoi> :) haha
#752 [17:31] <sugoi> launcher*
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#754 [17:32] <ginger3456> it wont do anything if those are the only files missing
#755 [17:34] <sugoi> ginger3456: regardless, they are nondistributable
#756 [17:34] <sugoi> ginger3456: if you refuse to get use java 6, the best option i have for you really is to vm
#757 [17:34] <ginger3456> meaning they are illegal to send to other ppl?
#758 [17:34] <sugoi> ginger3456: aye
#759 [17:35] <sugoi> we can only share mojang links
#760 [17:35] <Boreeas> mojings
#761 [17:35] <sugoi> mojings? hehe, mojang+links ?
#762 [17:35] <ginger3456> sugoi: You mentioned this already. I should have listened
#763 [17:35] <sugoi> ginger3456: it's all good
#764 [17:35] <sugoi> ginger3456: besides, you have homework due tomorrow, what you are playing minecraft for?!
#765 [17:36] <ginger3456> sugoi: my comp is WAY to slow for vm
#766 [17:36] <sugoi> 1 core?
#767 [17:36] <ginger3456> no, two
#768 [17:36] <sugoi> then it can handle vm
#769 [17:37] <sugoi> i'm not saying play mc in vm
#770 [17:37] <sugoi> just install and update
#771 [17:37] <Boreeas> sugoi: Heh, I have an 8-page term paper due in a couple of days, and I'm not even halfway done :D
#772 [17:37] <ginger3456> the reason im not playing in ubuntu is because it was lagging
#773 [17:37] <Boreeas> Not doing homework is /nothing/
#774 [17:37] <sugoi> :)
#775 [17:38] <ginger3456> well, its not due until tomorrow at 8pm. And i have spent an average of 9 hours in shcool a day lately, so if i want to play with cats and make tree-houses at night. I should be allowed :)
#776 [17:40] <ginger3456> do you guys know wether these files are updated between releases?
#777 [17:40] <Boreeas> ginger3456: Which ones, the natives?
#778 [17:40] <sugoi> ginger3456: you're asking specifically about the .minecraft/natives/ folder?
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#780 [17:40] <ginger3456> ye
#781 [17:40] <ginger3456> p
#782 [17:40] <Boreeas> Probably not
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#784 [17:46] <Kaito> is there a known bug with tamed wolves unable to be released from sitting?
#785 [17:48] <ginger3456> sugoi: Is linking to minecraftwiki ok?
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#787 [17:49] <sugoi> ginger3456: absolutely!
#788 [17:50] <sugoi> Kaito: maybe he's reaaaaaaly tame
#789 [17:50] <sugoi> ^ sarcasm
#790 [17:50] <sugoi> ginger3456: did you find something that could help us?
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#792 [17:52] <ginger3456> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Known_bugs/latest
#793 [17:53] <ginger3456> it is a good place to find known bugs :)
#794 [17:53] <sugoi> ginger3456: indeed, i should review that (read it in the past, but not in full)
#795 [17:53] <ginger3456> sugoi: Also, i fixed it :) Got the native files by "magic"
#796 [17:54] <sugoi> :)
#797 [17:54] <sugoi> magic is okay, but a magician never reveals his secret
#798 [17:54] <ginger3456> ;)
#799 [17:55] <ginger3456> is there a jungle seed?
#800 [17:58] <sugoi> ginger3456: heh, not that i have, google?
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#802 [18:00] <ginger3456> nvm, found one. It was awesome!
#803 [18:00] <ginger3456> not a seed but the biome in general
#804 [18:09] <[L]> fuck
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