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#2 [00:03] <Monkeys> Is light bad for chicken farms?
#3 [00:03] <Monkeys> I.e; torches
#4 [00:04] <Pepper> Passive animals only spawn in light
#5 [00:04] <Pepper> And on grass
#6 [00:07] <Monkeys> I lose all my exp if I die? :/
#7 [00:09] <Omega_Guardian> far as I know it'll drop as a item where you died
#8 [00:09] <Monkeys> Not all of it.
#9 [00:09] <Monkeys> :/
#10 [00:09] <Omega_Guardian> but only some is lost every time I hear, not all of it
#11 [00:09] <Omega_Guardian> ah
#12 [00:09] <Monkeys> I was at level 17
#13 [00:09] <Monkeys> I went to level 5
#14 [00:10] <Omega_Guardian> would be nice if could stash it in inventory
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#25 [01:00] <Quisl> Hello, I have a problem with my Minecraft server: Whenever I connect it says "downloading terrain..." but nothing is happening.
#26 [01:01] <Quisl> On Youtube somebody came up with the hint to delete the .\world\players .dat file of my username and everything appeard to be working again - I was able to log in. But then when I arrived at the area where I was building stuff lately the old problem occured again.
#27 [01:08] <|Kiichan|> its probably a chunk error. have the server admin try shutting down, loading the world in mcedit, and resaving it.
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#29 [01:09] <Quisl> Thanks, I am the server admin. I will try using mcedit, sec.
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#31 [01:22] <Quisl> I can open and view the concerned area but saving it does not fix it. :(
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#33 [01:29] <Quisl> Oh, when I delete my .dat File now, it works fine. Thank you Kiichan. :)
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#35 [01:40] <Monkeys> I found 5 diamonds. Made a diamond pickaxe. Have 2 left. Do you guys suggest AGAINST making an enchanting table?
#36 [01:47] <|Kiichan|> Monkeys: i sugest FOR... and enchanting EVERYTHING level 1.
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#40 [01:51] <Monkeys> Kiichan, I never enchanted before. No idea how it works. What do you mean enchanting everything level 1?
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#43 [01:58] <|Kiichan|> Monkeys: you killed things recently? gotten exp? you spend your levels on enchanting.
#44 [01:58] <Monkeys> Yeah I know that Kiichan.
#45 [01:58] <Monkeys> I'm level 19.
#46 [01:58] <Monkeys> Err, 18 and a half. :)
#47 [02:01] <|Kiichan|> enchantments are random and have nothign to do with what the SGA text says (then words on the enchantment table). what you get is determined by the item type, material, and the level you enchant at. gold is the best receptor of enchantments. but its sucky durability makes it still near useless :P
#48 [02:01] <|Kiichan|> http://pernsteiner.org/minecraft/enchant/ all the math regarding enchantments
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#50 [02:05] * mib_s93nfs waves to everyone
#50 [02:05] * mib_s93nfs waves to everyone
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#51 [02:05] <|Kiichan|> you know what each enchant does? and by 'enchanting at level 1' i mean spend only 1 level on stuff. with 18 levels.. you can enchant a few full sets of tools and armor.
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#53 [02:05] <|Kiichan|> mib_s93nfs: join part join part revolving!
#54 [02:05] <|Kiichan|> mib_s93nfs: join part join part revolving!
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#57 [02:08] <Monkeys> |Kiichan| do you suggest I only waste levels/time enchanting diamond?
#58 [02:09] <|Kiichan|> nope. i routinely enchant whatever my primary tools are. makes everythign easier.
#59 [02:09] <mib_s93nfs> Monkeys: I know you didnt ask me but ^
#60 [02:09] <mib_s93nfs> I save high level enchantments for diamonds
#61 [02:09] <|Kiichan|> plus your not garunteed anything good if you save up to 50 and enchant diamond :P
#62 [02:09] <mib_s93nfs> I'll throw any old level 1 enchantment at stone tools
#63 [02:09] <|Kiichan|> but yes... high level on diamond stuff
#64 [02:10] <Monkeys> Oh
#65 [02:10] <Monkeys> So like enchanting a diamond can cost more levels than enchanting something else?
#66 [02:11] <|Kiichan|> YOU pick the enchanting cost (the random number generator allowing :P)
#67 [02:11] <Monkeys> ;_;
#68 [02:11] <Monkeys> i am so confoos
#69 [02:11] <Monkeys> sec
#70 [02:11] <Monkeys> Let me actually setup my enchanting place and stuff then I'll go through it with you
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#72 [02:12] * |Kiichan| is going to tame an ocelot!
#72 [02:12] <Monkeys> I can't even find wolves.
#73 [02:12] <Monkeys> Less ocleots.
#74 [02:12] <Monkeys> :<
#75 [02:12] <Monkeys> GOD DAMNIT. This VoxelHead bot is too sensitive. ;_;
#76 [02:13] <|Kiichan|> its 3 lines quickly.
#77 [02:13] <Monkeys> I type fast. :<
#78 [02:13] <GreyVulpine> Type fast, use enter key less frequently.
#79 [02:14] <mib_s93nfs> I agree though, the bot is too touchy
#80 [02:14] <GreyVulpine> You get a very generous character limit per line in IRC
#81 [02:14] * mib_s93nfs whaps GreyVulpine "hello"
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#82 [02:15] <cbn> Is login server not working or there is something wrong on my side ?
#83 [02:15] <GreyVulpine> !login
#84 [02:16] <GreyVulpine> Login server's working
#85 [02:16] <cbn> ok thanks
#86 [02:16] * |Kiichan| cant find the kitty now ;_;
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#87 [02:18] <Scott> |Kiichan|: Say KITTY i have treats!
#88 [02:18] <Scott> That always makes my cat awake from a deep sleep and tackle me.
#89 [02:20] <|Kiichan|> Scott: am.. and falailing around with a stinky raw fish....
#90 [02:20] <Scott> my cat doesn't get fish/meat that isn't put into tiny pieces by a machine.
#91 [02:20] <Scott> I can't touch it.
#92 [02:20] <Scott> lol.
#93 [02:21] <Monkeys> Okay, so what's the basic jist of enchanting? Do you just put a weapon/armor/tool there and spend experience to enchant it?
#94 [02:22] <|Kiichan|> exactly
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#97 [02:34] <Monkeys> ;_;
#98 [02:35] <Monkeys> Every time I open the gates to my chicken's pen, they try to swarm outside. Too bad they'll never get to be free. Their lives are destined to shitting eggs for me and sacrificing themselves so I can use their feathers for ammo.
#99 [02:35] <Monkeys> Every time I crack one of their egg into a new baby chicken, they stare at it for a moment as if to explain that it would have been better off dead.
#100 [02:36] <|Kiichan|> Monkeys: you shoudl trap a few in a cell so they just lay eggs for eternity. you cna grow and slaughter the egg-born chicks
#101 [02:36] <Monkeys> That's what I do |Kiichan|
#102 [02:36] <Monkeys> :)
#103 [02:36] <|Kiichan|> you said 'open door' :P i mean have them sitting in water so the egg falls down
#104 [02:36] <Monkeys> Wanna come see my place?
#105 [02:36] <Monkeys> Oh lol
#106 [02:36] <|Kiichan|> suspended water i mean
#107 [02:36] <Monkeys> Well I just open the gate, go take the eggs, come out
#108 [02:37] <Monkeys> http://snag.gy/dMhT3.jpg
#109 [02:39] * Wug burps
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#110 [02:41] * |Kiichan| beats Wug with a wug.
#110 [02:41] <|Kiichan|> Monkeys: chicken run! watch out! they have a plane built under that soil!
#111 [02:42] <Monkeys> Nope
#112 [02:42] <Monkeys> They've been there forever
#113 [02:42] <Monkeys> ;3
#114 [02:42] * Wug whaps |Kiichan| with a miblet
#114 [02:42] <mib_s93nfs> OW
#115 [02:42] <Monkeys> Oh fuck me sideways and call me Sally
#116 [02:42] * AuBot kicked Monkeys from #minecrafthelp (Reason: onkeys :Please keep it civil.)
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#118 [02:43] <Monkeys> God damnit
#119 [02:43] <|Kiichan|> Wug: youre actuallyhere! i thought that was some part of your 'rawr' script
#120 [02:43] <Wug> lol
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#122 [02:43] <Wug> rawr
#123 [02:43] <|Kiichan|> Monkeys: as aubot said... LANGUAGE YOUNG CHIMP!
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#125 [02:43] <Wug> yeah, I'm here for a short while
#126 [02:44] <Wug> protip: mistrust all miblets and you will never be snucken unto by a wug
#127 [02:45] <|Kiichan|> so you were the revolving door mib?
#128 [02:45] <Wug> duh
#129 [02:46] <Wug> I was cycling so I could turn on noop and authenticate without chanserv blowing my cover
#130 [02:46] * |Kiichan| wasnt even paying attention anyway :P was hunting ocelot
#130 [02:46] * GreyVulpine kicks wug
#130 [02:46] <Wug> I need to start remembering to turn on noop before joining channels
#131 [02:46] <Wug> GreyVulpine: hello to you too
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#133 [02:47] <Wug> looks like the last netsplit was something in the vicinity of 8 hours, 25 minutes, and 47 seconds ago
#134 [02:48] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, we had to kill wugbot
#135 [02:48] <Monkeys> |Kiichan|
#136 [02:48] <GreyVulpine> Thanks for that, by the way
#137 [02:48] <Monkeys> http://snag.gy/ja5a9.jpg
#138 [02:49] <Monkeys> I made them a little pond
#139 [02:49] <Monkeys> They should be happier now. :3
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#141 [02:49] <|Kiichan|> lol
#142 [02:49] <|Kiichan|> yes... humane treatment of chickens.. unlike me.. sitickign them in glass tubes :P
#143 [02:50] <Wug> lol
#144 [02:51] <Wug> I'll see if I can do something about 'last here' spam in conjunction with netsplits
#145 [02:51] <|Kiichan|> how about fixing and reenabling the addalt too? :P
#146 [02:51] * |Kiichan| stabs magi
#146 [02:51] <mib_s93nfs> one of these days
#147 [02:52] * mib_s93nfs waits for /nick Wug[Hyperspace]
#147 [02:52] <|Kiichan|> laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag
#148 [02:52] <Monkeys> Hahahaha!
#149 [02:55] <Monkeys> o.o
#150 [02:55] <Monkeys> What's Lapis Lazuli for?
#151 [02:55] <GreyVulpine> Blue blocks, and blue dye
#152 [02:55] <|Kiichan|> blue dye... or awsome lookign blue block
#153 [02:56] <Monkeys> Just found 38 of it.
#154 [02:56] <Monkeys> Oh.
#155 [02:56] <Monkeys> That's it?
#156 [02:56] <GreyVulpine> And an effective anti-spam measure, apparently
#157 [02:56] <|Kiichan|> yes. :P 9 in the crafting table = 1 block..
#158 [02:56] <|Kiichan|> like iron
#159 [02:56] <Monkeys> Welp that's boring. :<
#160 [02:56] <GreyVulpine> How else are you going to get blue wool?
#161 [02:56] <|Kiichan|> sadly yes.. i want more to do with it :/
#162 [02:56] <Monkeys> I just found more lol.
#163 [02:57] * |Kiichan| wants dyeable torches.. damnit!
#163 [02:57] * GreyVulpine wants stained glass
#163 [02:57] <|Kiichan|> or that
#164 [02:57] <Monkeys> Can zombehs break down my door?
#165 [02:57] <Monkeys> Oh wait you guys answered me already, only on hard right?
#166 [02:57] <GreyVulpine> In hard mode or above
#167 [02:57] <Monkeys> Above?
#168 [02:58] <Wug> hardcore
#169 [02:58] <GreyVulpine> hardcore
#170 [02:58] <Monkeys> Oh.
#171 [02:58] <|Kiichan|> PERMADEATH! *deep evil voice*
#172 [02:58] <GreyVulpine> Pfft, I'm still waiting for the Unpremium on Death mode
#173 [02:59] <Monkeys> I was playing with the kiddo the other day, and we encountered an Enderman. I told him "Whatever you do, don't look at them or they'll teleport to you and attack you!"
#174 [02:59] <Monkeys> His eyes widened and he turned away, like literally, from the monitor. :D
#175 [02:59] <GreyVulpine> Heh!
#176 [03:00] <|Kiichan|> you get a point :P
#177 [03:00] <Monkeys> Hillarious little kid.
#178 [03:00] <Wug> lol
#179 [03:00] <|Kiichan|> now just show the kid docm's ender ender and you get gold :P
#180 [03:00] <Monkeys> I put him on guard duty while I'm mining stuff and he's scared shitless of all the monsters. "Why can't I be the one mining and you do the monster watch??"
#181 [03:00] <Wug> so I had an automatic farm
#182 [03:01] <Wug> I had the brilliant idea before to install 2 levers which must both be turned off at the same time to harvest
#183 [03:01] <Wug> which was really good because
#184 [03:01] <Wug> friend is checking it out and I tell him "dont pull the lever"
#185 [03:01] <Wug> so what do you think he immediately does
#186 [03:01] <GreyVulpine> pulls the lever, of course
#187 [03:02] <Monkeys> Are ambiant sounds that happen, like "wooommmmm" and stuff like that just there to scare me, or does that mean there's something nearby?
#188 [03:02] <|Kiichan|> both
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#190 [03:02] <Wug> thankfully, the second lever stopped me from losing all of my seeds and starving to death
#191 [03:02] * GreyVulpine snrks
#191 [03:02] <|Kiichan|> usually measn theres a completely unlit location withing .... 30 meters?
#192 [03:02] <Wug> I probably would have killed him
#193 [03:03] <Monkeys> But I'm digging tunnels, |Kiichan|
#194 [03:03] <GreyVulpine> You know, one of us should probably take over the mcirc server.
#195 [03:03] <GreyVulpine> get it back up and running.
#196 [03:03] <|Kiichan|> Monkeys: yes.. theres probably a cavern nearby
#197 [03:03] <Monkeys> Not necessarily a dungeon?
#198 [03:03] <GreyVulpine> Nah
#199 [03:05] <|Kiichan|> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Ambience
#200 [03:06] <Monkeys> Oh hell yes. I dig all the way down to bedrock. Find it, go a couple of blocks up, take a turn and start digging in a perpendicular location. Couple blocks in I see this; http://snag.gy/DvXzq.jpg
#201 [03:06] <Monkeys> :D
#202 [03:06] <|Kiichan|> yup. told ya :P
#203 [03:07] <|Kiichan|> btw... diamond!
#204 [03:07] <Monkeys> Yup, that's what I meant lol.
#205 [03:07] <|Kiichan|> thought you ment the tunnel
#206 [03:07] <Monkeys> I actually /don't/ like caves, especially when I'm alone. Always scared of something popping up behind me while I'm mining. ;_;
#207 [03:07] <GreyVulpine> Is why you bring a buddy with lots of torches
#208 [03:07] <Monkeys> I have no buddies that play Minecraft. :/
#209 [03:08] <|Kiichan|> i dont pop up behind people in caves... i dig out the floor from underneith them :P
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#211 [03:08] <Monkeys> And it's 3AM, kiddo's zzzing.
#212 [03:08] <GreyVulpine> Aww
#213 [03:08] <Monkeys> Shit, I hear something splashing in the water.
#214 [03:08] <Monkeys> Someone come play with me. :<
#215 [03:08] <Wug> it wants a hug
#216 [03:08] <GreyVulpine> Hah
#217 [03:09] <Wug> you should hug it
#218 [03:09] <Wug> spiders need love too
#219 [03:09] <GreyVulpine> Oooo, I bet it's a cave spider too
#220 [03:09] <Monkeys> You know, I don't hate caves as much as caves that have a hole in the ceiling something could ninja-drop from too.
#221 [03:09] <GreyVulpine> Those are extra fuzzy
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#223 [03:10] <Monkeys> Lol wth. I can't click and drop items anymore. As soon as I click something, it "teleports" to my hotbar?
#224 [03:10] <Wug> Monkeys: for this reason, avoid exploring ravines from the bottom unless your only other option is to be dropped 200 blocks into lava and cactuses with 5 creepers
#225 [03:10] <|Kiichan|> Monkeys: shift stuck. tap your shifts
#226 [03:10] <Wug> brb
#227 [03:11] <Monkeys> Shift + Alt to enable it, double-tap shift to disable it. Nice. :D I like it actually.
#228 [03:12] <Monkeys> Meh, that diamond was only one. :<
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#230 [03:14] <|Kiichan|> lol.... like bdubs.
#231 [03:14] <|Kiichan|> strips mines for 3 hours.... finds 1 diamond :P
#232 [03:16] <DiskDaemon> strip-mining you are commonly revealing 2 new stones each time to remove one. With straight-line mining you are revealing more than that for each one you remove, which makes it more efficient
#233 [03:17] <Wug> Monkeys: dig around it
#234 [03:18] <|Kiichan|> i mean he had a tunnel mine going that he started branching out from
#235 [03:19] <DiskDaemon> randomness can suck at times
#236 [03:21] <sugoi> wug!
#237 [03:21] <Wug> im on vacation
#238 [03:22] <sugoi> :)
#239 [03:22] <Wug> and by that I mean I've been spending a week ripping data off a hard drive and going to the dentist, as well as not being able to use my desktop
#240 [03:22] <Wug> my vacations suck
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#242 [03:22] * Wug kicked Grim_Reaper from #minecrafthelp (Reason: rim_Reaper :hello)
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#244 [03:23] * Wug dodges
#244 [03:23] <sugoi> Wug: my last 2 vacations were wife and son sick (emergency room kind of sick) -- as soon as i'm off to as soon as i'm back to work
#245 [03:23] <sugoi> i kind of hate vacation now
#246 [03:23] <Wug> that sounds like fun
#247 [03:23] <Wug> thankfully nobody is dying
#248 [03:23] <sugoi> working is much more relaxing
#249 [03:23] <Wug> but I have to agree
#250 [03:23] <sugoi> true
#251 [03:23] <Grim_Reaper> Thats not nice Wug ;;
#252 [03:23] <sugoi> ANYwho -
#253 [03:24] <Wug> at least there I can screw around with vidjamagames because I have a computer that is worth 2 squirts
#254 [03:24] <Wug> however, I learned how to customize a linux livecd
#255 [03:24] <sugoi> a few questions. does wugbot help index have a fully expanding form i can have a copy of?
#256 [03:24] <sugoi> Wug: to what purpose? (livecd)
#257 [03:24] <Wug> :/ not yet
#258 [03:25] <sugoi> if no 'expanded', is there a list of nodes?
#259 [03:25] <Wug> I've been meaning to make help not suck for a while but its kind of back burner
#260 [03:25] <Grim|AtCollege> Meh. talking through teamviewer is kinda laggy lol
#261 [03:25] <GreyVulpine> Use ;search a, ;search b, ;search c....
#262 [03:25] <sugoi> and, is there a channel, like ##voxelhead where i can query those nodes?
#263 [03:25] <Wug> GreyVulpine: that is only factoids
#264 [03:25] <GreyVulpine> Pfft
#265 [03:25] <Wug> sugoi: ill give you a hint
#266 [03:26] <Wug> you hit the nail right on the head with your guess of something thats "like ##voxelhead"
#267 [03:26] <sugoi> hhee
#268 [03:26] * Grim|AtCollege hugs wug and GreyVulpine
#268 [03:26] <sugoi> but a list of nodes (as i join ##wugbot)
#269 [03:26] <Wug> :<
#270 [03:27] <sugoi> search is nice ... enough
#271 [03:27] * Wug GreyVulpines Grim|AtCollege
#271 [03:27] <GreyVulpine> I wonder if I should hit up Mojang again, been more than a month since my inquiry to the support page
#272 [03:27] <Grim|AtCollege> ;;
#273 [03:28] <Dyn4m1c> Hey is there a delay when you change your p/word and it taking effect on launcher login
#274 [03:28] <GreyVulpine> There shouldn't be.
#275 [03:28] <Grim|AtCollege> ^
#276 [03:28] <Wug> Dyn4m1c: can you check if you can login through the browser?
#277 [03:29] <Wug> OMG A PERSON WHO NEEDS HELP
#278 [03:29] <Dyn4m1c> well i changed my p/word 4 hours ago and i can loginto minecraft.net and account.mojang.com with the new password but the launcher still uses the old password
#279 [03:29] <sugoi> :)
#280 [03:29] <Wug> * 30 helpers mob all at once
#281 [03:29] <sugoi> Dyn4m1c: you've come at a "helpful" time indeed
#282 [03:29] * Grim|AtCollege pushes Wug into sugoi
#282 [03:29] <Dyn4m1c> I thought so
#283 [03:29] <GreyVulpine> There have been times where the account at Mojang and the account at minecraft have disassociated. No real solution other than to contact Mojang directly
#284 [03:29] <Grim|AtCollege> Gotta go by the looks of it. Byes
#285 [03:30] <Wug> Dyn4m1c: weird. check the topic and use the link for account issues
#286 [03:30] * sugoi fails his reflex save, and falls prone
#286 [03:30] * Wug has started watching gurren lagann too
#286 [03:30] * GreyVulpine casts levitate on sugoi.
#286 [03:30] <Wug> so warning
#287 [03:30] <Wug> excessive drill references may be a possibility in the next few weeks.months
#288 [03:31] <GreyVulpine> Drill references?
#289 [03:31] <Wug> watch gurren lagann, you will understand
#290 [03:31] <GreyVulpine> !wiki gurren lagann
#291 [03:31] <GreyBot> Wikipedia Found: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Gurren_Lagann_mecha
#292 [03:31] * sugoi now floating mid air, and top heavy, begins to spin head-over-heals
#292 [03:31] <GreyBot> Gunmen (ガンメン, Ganmen?) are the main type of mecha used in the anime series Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann. The name itself means "face/facade"(顔面 ガンメン Face Surface); unsurprisingly, the mecha themselves are centered around faces and as such are very varied with few in the series being the same model. Gunmen sport a variety of weaponry: primitive models only
#293 [03:31] <GreyBot> use large clubs or bare hands, while advanced ones use swords, or projectile and beam weaponry. Gunmen are powered by their human pilots' Spiral Energy (fighting spirit), or by electricity when piloted by a Beastman.
#294 [03:31] <GreyVulpine> Oookay.
#295 [03:31] * sugoi feels nauseous
#295 [03:31] <Wug> "yours is the drill that will pierce the heavens"...?
#296 [03:31] <Wug> no?
#297 [03:32] <GreyVulpine> Been years since I've watched anime
#298 [03:32] <Wug> I thought that was almost as ubiquitous as cake jokes at this point
#299 [03:32] <|Kiichan|> from the same people that brought you Fooly Cooly and Panty & Stockign with Garterbelt.
#300 [03:32] <GreyVulpine> Ah, FLCL
#301 [03:32] <Wug> ^ yeah
#302 [03:32] <GreyVulpine> Explains everything
#303 [03:32] <Wug> and gainaxing. dear god so much gainaxing
#304 [03:32] * Wug head asplode
#304 [03:32] <|Kiichan|> they must be bigger! and more elastic tweens!
#305 [03:33] <Wug> .. and I have 19 minutes of battery life remaining
#306 [03:33] <Wug> this used to be 70% of my laptop battery's full capacity
#307 [03:33] <Wug> I am ever so glad I replaced it
#308 [03:33] <SinZ> Wug: How good are you with client derps
#309 [03:34] <SinZ> Launcher*
#310 [03:34] <Wug> SinZ: depends on the context and the flavor of derp
#311 [03:34] <sugoi> SinZ: better than understanding derpy questions
#312 [03:34] <Wug> I am an expert on general derping
#313 [03:34] <sugoi> :)
#314 [03:34] <SinZ> Click login, and it just says "Logging in...", Doesnt continue
#315 [03:34] <SinZ> no "Cant connect to minecraft.net" or anything
#316 [03:34] <Wug> any errors from the command line
#317 [03:34] <SinZ> lemme check
#318 [03:35] * SinZ downloads linux version
#318 [03:35] <Wug> you secretly dont need it
#319 [03:35] <|Kiichan|> SinZ: runngin java 7?
#320 [03:35] <Wug> you can just use java -jar minecraft.exe
#321 [03:35] <Monkeys> Will babby chickens drop the same amount of feathers?
#322 [03:35] <Wug> Monkeys: no
#323 [03:35] <SinZ> |Kiichan|: java6
#324 [03:35] <Wug> SinZ: have you done a clean install of java recently or ever before?
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#326 [03:35] * sugoi wonders how to make chickens go babby
#326 [03:35] <SinZ> Wug: about 10 times, yes
#327 [03:35] <Wug> also, have you had any issues with stuff like this before
#328 [03:36] <SinZ> had major java derping with minecraft_server
#329 [03:36] <Wug> sugoi: uhh
#330 [03:36] <Wug> eggs?
#331 [03:36] <Wug> what, do you think they age backwards?
#332 [03:37] * SinZ pastebins error
#332 [03:37] <|Kiichan|> sugoi: breed with wheat... or toss eggs like snowballs
#333 [03:37] <sugoi> sorry, was trying to make fun of the word 'babby'
#334 [03:37] <Wug> you can crash servers by spamming eggs
#335 [03:37] <Wug> there are hax that do this in creative mode
#336 [03:38] <SinZ> Wug: http://pastebin.com/VjSLJPpH
#337 [03:38] <Wug> oftentimes they can damage the map
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#339 [03:38] <Wug> SinZ: this is on windows?
#340 [03:38] <SinZ> XP 64bit
#341 [03:38] <Wug> is your system time right
#342 [03:38] <SinZ> SP1
#343 [03:38] <SinZ> yup
#344 [03:38] <SinZ> and date
#345 [03:39] <Wug> blugh y u no use current service pack
#346 [03:39] <SinZ> because it fails to install
#347 [03:39] <SinZ> something about update.inf is invalid or something
#348 [03:39] <Monkeys> WOAH WOAH WOAH. |Kiichan|, elaborate on "breed with wheat".
#349 [03:39] <GreyVulpine> This seems familiar somehow
#350 [03:39] <SinZ> you can teamviewer if you want
#351 [03:39] <|Kiichan|> same whay you do with cows and pigs and derpsheep
#352 [03:39] <sugoi> Monkeys: you can feed chickens wheat
#353 [03:39] <Wug> I have like 8 minutes of battery life
#354 [03:39] <sugoi> they get happy and breed
#355 [03:39] <Monkeys> eAnd what happens sugoi?
#356 [03:39] <Wug> but I suspect its remnants of an old java install
#357 [03:39] <|Kiichan|> Wug: good lucks!!!
#358 [03:39] <sugoi> Monkeys: more baby chickens
#359 [03:40] <Monkeys> |Kiichan| I never figured out how to get a cows/pigs farm.
#360 [03:40] <MK> I know big oak trees have different requirements than small oak trees, is the same true for dark wood trees?
#361 [03:40] <SinZ> Wug: java6, update 31
#362 [03:40] <Monkeys> sugoi Oh wow, wish I knew that before.
#363 [03:40] <SinZ> 64bit
#364 [03:40] <sugoi> Monkeys: only adult chickens breed
#365 [03:40] <sugoi> Monkeys: heh
#366 [03:40] <Monkeys> sugoi: I am no chicken pedophile.
#367 [03:40] <Wug> SinZ: you're sure its 64 bit? xp and 64 bit do not usually go together
#368 [03:40] <sugoi> SEE i know what baby chickens are
#369 [03:40] <SinZ> Wug: Well, it says Windows XP, x64 Edition on boot
#370 [03:40] * sugoi again, wishes someone laughed at his 'going babby' joke = sounds like a synonym to 'crazy' to him
#370 [03:41] <Wug> idk. gimme a few minutes to acquire a charger
#371 [03:41] <SinZ> and vista/windows 7 hates my computer
#372 [03:41] <SinZ> both bluescreen in the installer
#373 [03:41] <SinZ> but XP has simular problems with installing games
#374 [03:41] <sugoi> SinZ: how old is your system?
#375 [03:41] <SinZ> 4 years I believe
#376 [03:41] <sugoi> SinZ: custom? manufactured?
#377 [03:41] <SinZ> Dell XPS 720, been modified abit
#378 [03:41] <sugoi> ??> SinZ win/dxdiag
#379 [03:41] <VoxelHead> SinZ: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#380 [03:41] <VoxelHead> SinZ: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
#381 [03:41] <SinZ> I know dxdiag <3
#382 [03:42] <GreyVulpine> SinZ - Would you be willing to try an older version of java?
#383 [03:42] <SinZ> Like?
#384 [03:42] <GreyVulpine> Some older build of java 6, dont' know yet
#385 [03:43] <SinZ> http://pastebin.com/zDwb7eX1
#386 [03:44] <Monkeys> http://snag.gy/bU9pI.jpg >walk into chicken pen. >pull wheat out. ALL THE CHICKUNS FLOCK AT ME WANTING WHEAT.. my face when http://i.imgur.com/lQS3c.jpg
#387 [03:45] <sugoi> Monkeys: heh
#388 [03:45] <Monkeys> Now I gotta kill some of them, there's too many.
#389 [03:45] <sugoi> SinZ: your system is good, weird w7 doesn't agree
#390 [03:45] <sugoi> SinZ: side note, any particular reason for using f: for /windows/ ?
#391 [03:45] <SinZ> it chose it itself
#392 [03:45] <sugoi> some silly apps don't like that
#393 [03:46] <Monkeys> I just right-clicked a chicken with wheat. There's hearts above it. Now what do I do to make it shit babies?
#394 [03:46] <SinZ> pisses me off
#395 [03:46] <|Kiichan|> Monkeys: rightclick another with wheat
#396 [03:46] <Monkeys> Oh, I gotta right-click two so they mate together?
#397 [03:46] <Monkeys> Nice.
#398 [03:46] <DiskDaemon> Get another one in the mood
#399 [03:46] <DiskDaemon> yep
#400 [03:46] <|Kiichan|> then set the mood lightiong and put on a good record :P
#401 [03:46] <Monkeys> They're done, I can't right-click anymore. ;_; There's a cooldown?
#402 [03:47] <SinZ> yup
#403 [03:47] <|Kiichan|> thats why eggspam is usually the choice for chicken breeding
#404 [03:48] <Monkeys> How much of a cooldown?
#405 [03:48] <SinZ> 3days or so
#406 [03:48] <SinZ> I believe
#407 [03:48] <GreyVulpine> SinZ - Hmm, I don't suppose you've done a malware scan recently? Just to rule things out?
#408 [03:49] <Dyn4m1c> Sinz: I thought the cooldown was 5 minutes (half a day).
#409 [03:49] <Monkeys> How do I make a cow, or pig, or sheep farm? Any way to spawn them?
#410 [03:49] <SinZ> Monkeys: find 2 of a kind
#411 [03:49] <SinZ> lure with wheat
#412 [03:49] <Monkeys> Oh I see.
#413 [03:49] <Monkeys> But I have to lure them one at a time or else they'll start fucking, right?
#414 [03:49] * AuBot kicked Monkeys from #minecrafthelp (Reason: onkeys :Please keep it civil.)
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#416 [03:49] <Monkeys> Sorry, I meant fornicating.
#417 [03:50] <SinZ> dont need to give them the wheat
#418 [03:50] <SinZ> tease them
#419 [03:50] <Monkeys> Oh right.
#420 [03:50] <DiskDaemon> it's okay, you're allowed to swear on IRC
#421 [03:50] <Monkeys> I get kicked for it.
#422 [03:50] <DiskDaemon> how odd
#423 [03:50] <SinZ> ?? index
#424 [03:50] <VoxelHead> index: See http://mcfaq.hfbgaming.com/ for a list of FAQ entries.
#425 [03:51] <sugoi> SinZ: also, http://paste.ubuntu.com/873641/
#426 [03:51] <GreyVulpine> DiskDaemon - Aubot kicks on certain expletives.
#427 [03:51] * sugoi doesn't like certain expletives either
#427 [03:52] <Monkeys> Will pigs/cows/sheep jump over fences like chickens will?
#428 [03:52] <GreyVulpine> Prevents those individuals that go on, try to get help, and before signing off, say "Eff you all, go die!"
#429 [03:53] <DiskDaemon> fuck me, that's a bit rough
#430 [03:53] * AuBot kicked DiskDaemon from #minecrafthelp (Reason: iskDaemon :Please keep it civil.)
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#432 [03:53] <DiskDaemon> and it was :)
#433 [03:53] <SinZ> aww
#434 [03:53] <sugoi> DiskDaemon: why?
#435 [03:53] <SinZ> AVG doesnt support XP 64bit
#436 [03:53] <SinZ> sp1 atleast
#437 [03:54] <sugoi> SinZ: never had a virus, never used anti-virus (and yes, using windows all my life)
#438 [03:54] <DiskDaemon> well blindly lashing out at any mattern-matching metrics doesn't allow for common sense or situational awareness to become involved
#439 [03:54] * sugoi also run gentoo
#439 [03:54] <Monkeys> Chickens should drop way more feathers.
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#441 [03:54] <sugoi> DiskDaemon: lashing out? those words are never needed
#442 [03:54] <sugoi> learn to communicate maturely
#443 [03:54] * sugoi has a pretty tall horse, yo
#443 [03:55] <SinZ> sugoi: Im a fan of ubuntu personally
#444 [03:55] <GreyVulpine> DiskDaemon - Eh, it did the job when we were listed in the Minecraft support page, and had dozens of mibbits to contend with, and few helpers here.
#445 [03:55] <GreyVulpine> Certain mibbits didn't have the patience, and would... convey their anger at us.
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#447 [03:55] <Monkeys> Should my enchanting temple have more bookcases besides the two missing on the right side? Should I add another level of bookcases or will it be useless? http://snag.gy/ZczG4.jpg
#448 [03:55] <sugoi> SinZ: if i wasnt a rice cooker and coder IRL (thus my love of seeing the entire system recompile every other day) - i'd use ubuntu
#449 [03:55] <DiskDaemon> That it's a response to that prior situation, does make good sense
#450 [03:55] <sugoi> Monkeys: i looked into that
#451 [03:55] <sugoi> Monkeys: apparently, it maxes at 30
#452 [03:55] <Monkeys> Level 30?
#453 [03:56] <Monkeys> Or 30 levels upwards
#454 [03:56] <sugoi> Monkeys: i even created a perfect sorround using pistons to get in and out, didn't make a diff
#455 [03:56] <sugoi> Monkeys: 30 'book' thingies
#456 [03:56] <Monkeys> sugoi I mean.. right now my "bookshelf" around the enchantment table is 2 cubes high. Should I make it higher?
#457 [03:56] <SinZ> in the code, it lets you have a 2x1 doorway
#458 [03:56] <sugoi> 3+3+3, 1+1+1, 2 .. *2 for height, right?
#459 [03:56] <Monkeys> yes/no? >.>;
#460 [03:57] <sugoi> Monkeys: what SinZ said (about the door)
#461 [03:57] <sugoi> Monkeys: nope, 2 high
#462 [03:57] <Monkeys> Thanks
#463 [03:58] * SinZ waits for avast to finish downloading, and hope it works for WinXP64bitSP1
#463 [03:58] * DiskDaemon looks forward to windows 8 with it's built-in antivirus with some sweet & sour feelings
#463 [03:59] <Monkeys> Okay so, I've got a diamond pickaxe. Should I enchant it with 19 levels or should I wait till I get level 30?
#464 [04:00] <sugoi> Monkeys: sure, now is fine --- i'll link the wiki for enchanting
#465 [04:00] <sugoi> but -
#466 [04:00] <Monkeys> I read the wiki.
#467 [04:00] <Monkeys> It's all very confusing and senseless for a new player. :P
#468 [04:01] <sugoi> Monkeys: a big problem with working hard for high level enchanting, is that there is still a good amount of random chance of what you get, so it doesn't REALLY pay off to wait
#469 [04:01] <Monkeys> Ah okay.
#470 [04:01] <Monkeys> WTF.
#471 [04:01] <Monkeys> Is that a skeleton riding a spider??
#472 [04:01] <sugoi> Monkeys: indeed :)
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#474 [04:01] <|Kiichan|> yup... usually call a spider jokey :D
#475 [04:02] <DiskDaemon> *jockey
#476 [04:02] <|Kiichan|> its.... annoying.
#477 [04:02] <|Kiichan|> spider climbs walls after you.. and skele shoots arrows
#478 [04:02] <Monkeys> Yeah I'm just gonna chill in my house until daylight. :U
#479 [04:02] * |Kiichan| likes to snipe the skele off the spider
#479 [04:03] <Wug> SinZ: where was I
#480 [04:03] <sugoi> Monkeys: use a bed, too
#481 [04:03] <Wug> also, linux support for ntfs is horrible
#482 [04:03] <Monkeys> Can't sugoi, monsters nearby.
#483 [04:04] <SinZ> Wug: making sure it was 64bit
#484 [04:04] <Wug> SinZ: win+pause
#485 [04:04] <Wug> will clearly state 64 bit in system properties
#486 [04:04] <SinZ> I know its 64bit, its in the dxdiag, system infomation, and on the loading screen
#487 [04:05] <Wug> 64 bit xp is quite rare in the wild
#488 [04:05] <Wug> that being said, I run a 64 bit xp box
#489 [04:05] <SinZ> I know, its annoying to get support for
#490 [04:05] <Wug> its the media pc in my basement
#491 [04:05] <SinZ> but I wanted 64bit windows, and vista/7 refused to install
#492 [04:05] <SinZ> and windows 8 wants dvd drivers, by searching the dvd
#493 [04:06] <Wug> I didnt have any trouble with java on it though
#494 [04:06] <Wug> :tv6
#495 [04:06] <WugBot> tv6: Teamviewer is remote access software, which enables other people to, with your permission, access your computer remotely and attempt to perform troubleshooting and diagnostics. Download and run teamviewer from here: http://www.teamviewer.com/download/version_6x/TeamViewer_Setup.exe
#496 [04:06] <WugBot> tv6: Once teamviewer has been downloaded, run it (you do not have to install it) and PM the person who asked you to get it your teamviewer ID and password, shown in the teamviewer window. Send the private message with /msg user ID: xxx yyy zzz pass: wwww
#497 [04:06] <SinZ> got it
#498 [04:06] <Dyn4m1c> Sinz: Install windows 7 by USB
#499 [04:06] <SinZ> Dyn4m1c: Was
#500 [04:06] <Wug> ... shit
#501 [04:06] <Dyn4m1c> ah.
#502 [04:06] <Wug> someone else is going to have to do it
#503 [04:06] <SinZ> charger doesnt work?
#504 [04:06] <Wug> because of the horrible hack I had to do to free space
#505 [04:07] <SinZ> deleted tv
#506 [04:07] <Wug> ok, so my grandmother's 500GB external died
#507 [04:07] <SinZ> oooh
#508 [04:07] <Monkeys> Will pigs/cows/sheep jump over fences like chickens will?
#509 [04:07] <SinZ> do pigs/cows/sheep have wings?
#510 [04:07] <Wug> the only 500GB drives we have are my laptop hard drive and another external that was mostly full
#511 [04:07] <Monkeys> They can still jump, Sigma.
#512 [04:07] <Monkeys> SinZ*
#513 [04:07] <SinZ> my pigs escape by glitching through the wall
#514 [04:07] <SinZ> they have same jump height as you
#515 [04:08] <SinZ> can you jump over the fence
#516 [04:08] <Wug> 500+ * qed, I had to delete some things to make room for recovery efforts
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#518 [04:08] <Wug> needless to say, I'm complaining about linux's ntfs support because its giving me hell
#519 [04:08] <SinZ> GreyVulpine: TeamViewer?
#520 [04:09] <Wug> the recovery is taking forever because the write speeds to the image file are so goddamn slow on ntfs partitions
#521 [04:09] <Wug> also, I didnt uninstall teamviewer
#522 [04:09] * GreyVulpine blehs, is busy
#522 [04:09] <Wug> I tar.gz'd everything in /opt and moved it to another drive
#523 [04:09] <Wug> if anyone but me did the stupid shit that I do, they'd probably render their computer useless in hours
#524 [04:10] <SinZ> its annoying how the windows vista 64bit installer cant upgrade from xp 64bit, only xp 32bit
#525 [04:10] <Wug> vista is retarded
#526 [04:10] <SinZ> I know
#527 [04:10] <Wug> try ubuntu, or some other linux distro if you feel like
#528 [04:10] <Monkeys> Will different species coexist in the same pen?
#529 [04:10] <Wug> they're a) supported and b) 64 bit
#530 [04:11] <SinZ> Ubuntu works fine, but I prefer to have the ability to run my windows games
#531 [04:11] <Wug> and c) you can get drivers and software for them that isnt hacked versions of vista programs
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#533 [04:11] <Wug> also, wine has never failed me yet, you can play almost all windows games through it
#534 [04:11] <SinZ> Wine fails with garena
#535 [04:12] <SinZ> and warcraft III
#536 [04:12] <Wug> you'll take a framerate hit for directx games though
#537 [04:12] <Wug> try to find and use an opengl mode if at all possible
#538 [04:12] <Wug> but yeah
#539 [04:12] * SinZ wants to burn this computer
#539 [04:12] <GreyVulpine> !ping
#540 [04:12] <GreyBot> GreyVulpine Your Ping time was 0.53 seconds.
#541 [04:13] <SinZ> Windows XP just blue-screened installing avast
#542 [04:13] <Dyn4m1c> I used to use Ubuntu then i installed it to my laptop and it stopped the fan so it crashed out every 3 minutes so back to windows :(
#543 [04:13] <Wug> I'm pretty sure the issues I'm having with ntfs stem directly from the fact that the developers of the ntfs drivers for linux didnt forsee manipulation of a 500GB hdd image file in their scope of 'general use'
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#545 [04:13] <SinZ> page_fault_in_nonpaged_area, 0x00000050
#546 [04:13] <SinZ> Wug: and 4096 CPU's was?
#547 [04:13] <Wug> as such, Im getting about 150kb/s write speeds
#548 [04:14] <Wug> SinZ: linux is very much a supercomputer operating system
#549 [04:14] <Wug> the majority of supercomputers run linux because its free
#550 [04:14] <Wug> and the alternative is buying 10000 windows licenses
#551 [04:14] <SinZ> Now, where does windows do the physical dump
#552 [04:14] <SinZ> im sick of it bluescreening on installing something
#553 [04:15] <SinZ> whether its an anti-virus software, or a 5year old game
#554 [04:15] <Wug> why do other windows installs fail
#555 [04:15] <Wug> do you have some weird hardware config
#556 [04:15] <Dyn4m1c> Sinz: Why not downgrade to 32Bit and use a Kernel patch to let 32 bit use the full 8Gb of ram
#557 [04:16] <SinZ> <SinZ> http://pastebin.com/zDwb7eX1
#558 [04:16] <Wug> 4GB*
#559 [04:16] <SinZ> Dyn4m1c: because im lazy
#560 [04:16] <Dyn4m1c> Wug: No 32 bit can use upto 64Gb of ram. But Microsoft limited it to 4Gb
#561 [04:17] <Wug> I think 32 bit itanium architectures can use 64GB
#562 [04:17] <Wug> but 2^32 is 4GB
#563 [04:17] <Monkeys> Will different species coexist in the same pen?
#564 [04:17] <GreyVulpine> Don't see why not
#565 [04:17] * SinZ looks for my boot-usb with windows 8 on it
#565 [04:17] <Wug> I think that by "they limited the home editions" you mean "they extended the enterprise editions"
#566 [04:18] <Dyn4m1c> You've just got to patch the kernel to use PAE
#567 [04:18] <Wug> Monkeys: I think they will be fine
#568 [04:18] <Dyn4m1c> link: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366796(VS.85).aspx
#569 [04:18] <Wug> as long as its not cats and chickens or something
#570 [04:18] <GreyVulpine> cats + creepers
#571 [04:19] <|Kiichan|> cat arnt SUPPOSED to hunt chickens... but they do still
#572 [04:19] <Wug> pae is a feature of the processor as well, and not all processors support it
#573 [04:19] <|Kiichan|> same with tamed wolves and sheep
#574 [04:21] * Wug ordered another hard drive from newegg
#574 [04:21] <Wug> its a nice big one that I can format to ext4 without having to move 300GB of data off of first
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#576 [04:21] <SinZ> what type of file is a driver again
#577 [04:22] <GreyVulpine> .dll?
#578 [04:22] <Wug> SinZ: they are typically .sys
#579 [04:22] <GreyVulpine> or that ^
#580 [04:22] <Wug> but I'd assume you could probably force a driver with any extension to load
#581 [04:22] <Monkeys> omigosh
#582 [04:22] <Monkeys> babby pigs *w*
#583 [04:22] <Monkeys> that's kawaii as shit
#584 [04:23] <Wug> babby bacon
#585 [04:23] <GreyVulpine> Yum
#586 [04:23] <Monkeys> no stop
#587 [04:23] <Monkeys> I d'awwwd when I saw one
#588 [04:23] <Dyn4m1c> You should be licking your lips "Hmmmmm dat bacon"
#589 [04:24] <Wug> I like my babby pigs crispy
#590 [04:25] <DiskDaemon> crisp babby pigs go well with the chicken fetuses
#591 [04:25] <Monkeys> Debating whether I should enchant my bow or something else.. hmm
#592 [04:25] <DiskDaemon> hrm, I think I've been watching too much epic meal time
#593 [04:26] * SinZ trys to install windows 8 again
#593 [04:26] <SinZ> Disabled dvd drive in BIOS, to try and shut windows up about no dvd drivers
#594 [04:27] <Wug> cant you just unplug it
#595 [04:27] <Monkeys> Guys, enchant bow, diamond pickaxe or make diamond sword & enchant it?
#596 [04:27] <Monkeys> I'm level 20
#597 [04:27] <Wug> Monkeys: bow
#598 [04:27] <Monkeys> Thought so lol
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#600 [04:28] <SinZ> Wug: I. Hate. Pata/IDE Ports.
#601 [04:28] <Monkeys> Wug: Enchant it with 20 levels?
#602 [04:28] <Wug> Monkeys: go for it
#603 [04:28] <SinZ> And... Windows8 still wants a dvd driver
#604 [04:28] <Wug> SinZ: they hate you too
#605 [04:28] <Monkeys> Yay.
#606 [04:28] <Monkeys> I don't know if what I got is good or not.
#607 [04:28] <DiskDaemon> try to get infinite arrows with the bow
#608 [04:28] <Wug> Monkeys: what is it
#609 [04:28] <Monkeys> Power III
#610 [04:28] <Wug> thats like +1.5 hearts of damage per shot or something
#611 [04:29] <Monkeys> :(
#612 [04:29] <Wug> I think
#613 [04:29] <Wug> its a pretty decent enchantment
#614 [04:29] <Monkeys> I guess ;<
#615 [04:29] <SinZ> why doesnt windows 8 ship with a dvd driver
#616 [04:29] <Monkeys> I wanted fire arrows.
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#618 [04:29] <DiskDaemon> SinZ: It does ship with them, just enough enough of them to cover every dvd drive that's out there
#619 [04:29] <Monkeys> Wug: Do you also feel that there isn't a big different damage-wise between stone sword and diamond sword?
#620 [04:30] <SinZ> DiskDaemon: there isnt even a DVD Driver enabled in BIOS
#621 [04:30] <DiskDaemon> why then does my windows 8 install fine, and support the dvd drive that I have here?
#622 [04:30] <Wug> Monkeys: its not that big
#623 [04:30] <Wug> I tend to use stone tools due to ease of replacement
#624 [04:30] <Monkeys> Wug: What should I use my 7 diamonds on then?
#625 [04:31] <Monkeys> I gots a diamond pickaxe.
#626 [04:31] <GreyVulpine> Diamond shovel. Heh
#627 [04:31] <Monkeys> Eww D:
#628 [04:31] <goodoldwar> Diamond hoe
#629 [04:31] <Monkeys> Diamond armor?
#630 [04:31] <SinZ> Diamond house
#631 [04:31] <goodoldwar> ^
#632 [04:31] <Monkeys> Come on. :<
#633 [04:31] <goodoldwar> Armor is too practical.
#634 [04:31] <GreyVulpine> Save it.
#635 [04:32] <SinZ> THEN build a diamond house.
#636 [04:32] <Monkeys> Save it for what
#637 [04:32] <goodoldwar> Bribe creepers not to blow you up
#638 [04:32] <GreyVulpine> Floating diamond fortress.
#639 [04:32] <goodoldwar> Just throw your diamond at them
#640 [04:32] <goodoldwar> And cats
#641 [04:32] <goodoldwar> And diamond cats
#642 [04:32] <GreyVulpine> With working lighthouse, made out of lapis lazui
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#644 [04:33] <Wug> I have almost a full stack of lapis blocks on kealpers server
#645 [04:33] <SinZ> GreyVulpine: Why does Windows 8 require a DVD Driver, Alot of computers dont have optical drives (Netbooks)
#646 [04:33] <GreyVulpine> I have no freakin idea.
#647 [04:33] <GreyVulpine> Why is Windows 8 doing away with the start menu?
#648 [04:33] <GreyVulpine> Why the metro theme?
#649 [04:33] <Wug> did I mention I once pulled the hard drive out of a running computer
#650 [04:33] <GreyVulpine> Why Windows?
#651 [04:33] <Dyn4m1c> Windows 8 installed fine for me on a laptop and desktop(this is about 4-5 years old)
#652 [04:33] <Dyn4m1c> both have dvd drives
#653 [04:34] <DiskDaemon> GreyVulpine: YOu have it backwards, windows 8 makes the start menu fill the entier computer screen
#654 [04:34] <Wug> I honestly dont know about windows 8
#655 [04:34] <goodoldwar> I feel that the Windows 8 UI is trying too hard to resemble Unity. I think it would be a nice UI for something like a Windows Mobile tablet or something of the sort, but not a desktop OS.
#656 [04:34] <Wug> I feel like I'm jumping off the windows bandwagon at the perfect time
#657 [04:34] * SinZ burns Windows 7 onto the usb
#657 [04:34] <Wug> 7 was pretty sweet, and I never had to deal with vista
#658 [04:34] <GreyVulpine> No, last I heard, windows 8 did away with the start button at all
#659 [04:34] <SinZ> Windows did XP 32bit and Windows 7 32and64bit great
#660 [04:35] <Wug> from what I hear, 8 might not be exactly a step in the wrong direction, but it seems like a step in a direction I don't intend to follow
#661 [04:35] <DiskDaemon> GreyVulpine: You've heard wrong then. It's true that the start menu that we know of is gone, it has been replaced with the full metro interface
#662 [04:35] <goodoldwar> The right time to jump off the Windows bandwagon was at 1.0
#663 [04:35] * GreyVulpine points to: http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9225016/Free_tool_restores_Start_button_to_Windows_8?taxonomyId=11
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#664 [04:35] <Wug> I disagree
#665 [04:35] <Wug> goodoldwar: windows is a fairly solid operating system
#666 [04:35] <Wug> xp was sturdy as a rock
#667 [04:36] <Dyn4m1c> Unity and the Metro themes are made for tablets
#668 [04:36] <goodoldwar> I actually don't entirely dislike Windows 7, but I generally use it for Steam.
#669 [04:36] <Wug> 7 is sexy
#670 [04:36] <DiskDaemon> Yes, there are going to be a lot of tools that try to revert things back to the look and feel that we're used to
#671 [04:36] <goodoldwar> Windows + Placebo theme, nothing sexier.
#672 [04:36] <Wug> I'm coming to terms with unity too
#673 [04:36] <Wug> it got a lot better when I made the bar move to the bottom
#674 [04:36] <GreyVulpine> I know you don't need to use the metro theme, which is why I'll nuke it the first chance I get my hands on it
#675 [04:37] <SinZ> They'll force us to use it eventually
#676 [04:37] <GreyVulpine> Over my dead body
#677 [04:37] <Wug> not as long as theme hackers exist
#678 [04:37] <Dyn4m1c> Unity and Metro have no right to be forced to us using desktops and laptops. I am hoping that there is a way to totally uninstall Metro.
#679 [04:37] <SinZ> I heard something that windows is gonna start killing freeware off like macs
#680 [04:37] <SinZ> by doing a scare thing saying "This program isnt verified"
#681 [04:37] * Wug transforms GreyVulpine into a dead body with the help of a cinderblock
#681 [04:38] * GreyVulpine pffts, process isn't outlined in RFCs, action denied.
#681 [04:38] <goodoldwar> ^ lol'd
#682 [04:39] <|Kiichan|> what it is is they WERE going to require a hardware level certificate lock type system so ONLY windows codul be installed
#683 [04:39] <GreyVulpine> Like how Mac did it? Or the HDMI anti-piracy thing?
#684 [04:39] * Wug SEND CBTP://greyvulpine/
#684 [04:39] <Wug> (cinderblock transfer protocol)
#685 [04:40] * GreyVulpine hehs
#685 [04:40] <Wug> also
#686 [04:40] <SinZ> Anyone got any good reccomendations on what to do with duel-monitor
#687 [04:40] <|Kiichan|> http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot/restricted-boot-comic-contest-defend-user-freedom-on-tablets-and-smartphones
#688 [04:40] <SinZ> 23" and a 18"
#689 [04:41] <|Kiichan|> SinZ: have them FIGHT!
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#691 [04:41] <Wug> if they think they can prevent people from using their own programs or other OSs they are sorely, sorely mistaken
#692 [04:41] * SinZ wonders how powerfull duel 8800GT's are compared to a modern graphics card
#692 [04:41] <Wug> I'd say probably 50%
#693 [04:42] <|Kiichan|> yes... but then it drops into the grey area that console hacking is in.
#694 [04:42] <Wug> 8800's are quite a few generations out of date
#695 [04:42] <GreyVulpine> Probably less.
#696 [04:42] * SinZ does dxdiag on laptop to see the graphics
#696 [04:42] <Wug> are any 600 series cards available yet
#697 [04:42] <SinZ> GT 330M
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#699 [04:42] <Wug> I know that amd has released their 7000 series
#700 [04:43] <Wug> but I havent been keeping up with nvidia
#701 [04:43] <SinZ> the GTX 590 is out
#702 [04:43] <SinZ> awhile ago
#703 [04:43] <SinZ> its the newest iv seen
#704 [04:43] <Wug> boo hoo
#705 [04:44] <SinZ> I was looking at a GTX 560 or a 6850
#706 [04:44] <Wug> I forgot to install g++ on my livecd D:
#707 [04:44] <SinZ> why must extracting ISO take forever >:(
#708 [04:44] <Wug> you're not supposed to extract isos
#709 [04:45] <Wug> you're supposed to mount them and pretend that they're cds
#710 [04:45] <SinZ> this usb boot maker wants to extact it
#711 [04:45] <goodoldwar> Wug: What OS?
#712 [04:45] <Wug> goodoldwar: they're all supposed to work like that
#713 [04:45] <|Kiichan|> https://plus.google.com/u/0/104316960984686041418/posts/ExGhELuZ5fM
#714 [04:45] <SinZ> Wug: installing on a different computer too, and it needs to boot
#715 [04:45] <DiskDaemon> sometimes it's up person to know better than what the computer tries to get them to do
#716 [04:45] <goodoldwar> No, which did you install to LiveCD, I meant.
#717 [04:46] <Wug> ubuntu newest
#718 [04:46] <goodoldwar> Yuck :(
#719 [04:46] <Wug> whichever version that is
#720 [04:46] <goodoldwar> 11.10 I think
#721 [04:46] <Wug> its a recovery cd for doing disaster response stuff
#722 [04:46] <GreyVulpine> Looks like the GTX 590 outperforms the ATI 7970
#723 [04:46] <Wug> I dont intend to actually use it to install ever
#724 [04:46] <Wug> GreyVulpine: thats because the 590 is 2 580s
#725 [04:47] <GreyVulpine> Ah
#726 [04:47] <goodoldwar> Precise Pangolin. Ubuntu is a bit bloated for recovery. Pure Debian would probably be a better choice, and more easily configurable. Just an opinion, of course.
#727 [04:47] <Wug> 2 7970s would cream it
#728 [04:47] <SinZ> Compare price
#729 [04:47] <|Kiichan|> *coughGentoocough*
#730 [04:47] <Wug> goodoldwar: I ripped out most of the crap and installed things like the newest java, ddrescue, ntfsutils, ophcrack, etc
#731 [04:47] <GreyVulpine> Trying to look for a pricecheck on the 590
#732 [04:47] <goodoldwar> Ah, very nice.
#733 [04:48] <Monkeys> How to increase the amount of mobs that spawn on my vanilla Minecraft_Server.exe?
#734 [04:48] <goodoldwar> I've been meaning to install Gentoo but it takes sooooooooo longgggggggg
#735 [04:48] <Wug> |Kiichan|: I dont want to have to compile the kernel every time I want to boot
#736 [04:48] <Wug> im exaggerating a little bit
#737 [04:48] <|Kiichan|> ive only had to recompile the kernel twice in the past 2 years :P
#738 [04:48] <goodoldwar> Mmm, suppose I should do more than just skim the rules.
#739 [04:48] <Wug> but gentoo is obnoxious and I dont want to deal with it when doing emergency hard drive recoveries
#740 [04:48] <|Kiichan|> ah ok.
#741 [04:49] <SinZ> *coughGParted*
#742 [04:49] <Wug> which is literally the only reason I made the livecd
#743 [04:49] <SinZ> <3
#744 [04:49] <Wug> SinZ: I have that too
#745 [04:49] <Wug> I love gparted
#746 [04:49] <SinZ> ^
#747 [04:49] <GreyVulpine> I don't see a baseline price for the 590 anywhere
#748 [04:49] <goodoldwar> I OS hop all the time because I can never make up my mind. I have about 30+ LiveCD/DVDs
#749 [04:49] <Wug> GreyVulpine: its anywhere between $700 and $800
#750 [04:49] <goodoldwar> Favorite so far is Arch.
#751 [04:49] <Wug> however, the hard drive im recovering is so borked that gparted hangs if I open it when its connected
#752 [04:50] <Monkeys> Guys, is there a way to increase the amount of mobs that spawn on a vanilla server?
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#754 [04:50] <Wug> Monkeys: no
#755 [04:50] <Monkeys> Shame, thanks.
#756 [04:50] <Wug> difficulty setting does not affect spawn rates
#757 [04:50] <SinZ> Monkeys: if you want more mobs, explore
#758 [04:50] <SinZ> 1.8 code made it so they spawn alot less so breeding is worth it
#759 [04:50] <Dankonen> Hello, I'm getting huge lagspikes every few seconds. So bad that I have to exit the current game and then reenter the same game in order to keep playing! Any solutions for this?
#760 [04:50] <Wug> has anyone else ever had to do recovery on a really dead hard drive
#761 [04:51] <Monkeys> Can you get flint out of torch-mining gravel?
#762 [04:51] <GreyVulpine> Nope
#763 [04:51] <Wug> Dankonen: well
#764 [04:51] <Wug> do you have a 64 bit computer and 32 bit java
#765 [04:51] <GreyVulpine> Only hitting gravel by hand will yield flint.
#766 [04:51] <Wug> if so, you might get better performance using 64 bit java
#767 [04:51] <Monkeys> Or shovel?
#768 [04:51] <Dankonen> Possibly
#769 [04:51] <GreyVulpine> Or that
#770 [04:51] <Dyn4m1c> Wug: Yep a old 20Gb sata 1 drive Severe sector damage
#771 [04:51] <GreyVulpine> Spinrite helped me when I needed to do some HDD recovery
#772 [04:52] <Wug> got any tips
#773 [04:52] <Wug> specifically, super powerful ntfs repair utilities
#774 [04:52] <SinZ> GreyVulpine: the price on an australian site says 799-918
#775 [04:52] <Wug> and/or file recovery from destroyed filesystem utilities
#776 [04:52] <Dyn4m1c> Dont mount it with a drive letter. I did that for the first few hours and wondered why windows kept freezing up.
#777 [04:52] <Wug> Dyn4m1c: I'm using that linux livecd to do it
#778 [04:53] <Dyn4m1c> I used Paragon partition manager on windows to recover files.
#779 [04:53] <Wug> I'm using ddrescue which is so far proving to be effective but slow
#780 [04:53] <Wug> its basically dd except it retries and ignores bad sectors/failed reads instead of aborting
#781 [04:54] <Dyn4m1c> all i can say is let it run it took me about 2 days to recover most of the files from the 20Gb drive
#782 [04:54] <SinZ> Wug: booting the windows 7 installer now
#783 [04:54] <Dankonen> duwai
#784 [04:55] <Wug> I'm making an image of the disk so I can attempt recovery on it without worrying about the drive dying out from under me
#785 [04:55] * GreyVulpine points Wug at http://www.grc.com/srscreens.htm
#785 [04:55] <Dyn4m1c> good idea
#786 [04:55] <Wug> linux utilities can have exclusive disk access as long as they have root
#787 [04:56] <Wug> as well as raw access, unbuffered access, direct access, etc
#788 [04:56] <Wug> have you ever used dd to make an iso? you point it at the cdrom device and dump the entire filesystem into a file
#789 [04:57] <SinZ> Wug: I'll say when the windows installer blue-screens, and the STOP error
#790 [04:57] <Dyn4m1c> only used dd for about 10 minutes. not to advanced with it
#791 [04:58] <Wug> its the kind of thing you avoid using if at all possible :P
#792 [04:58] <SinZ> Wug: Windows cannot install required files. The file may be corrupt or missing. Make sure all files required for installation are available, and restart the application.
#793 [04:58] <SinZ> Error code: 0x80070570
#794 [04:58] <Wug> SinZ: is this an update or a fresh install
#795 [04:58] <SinZ> fresh
#796 [04:58] <SinZ> on different partition
#797 [04:59] <Wug> if its a fresh install reburn the install disk
#798 [04:59] <SinZ> just did that =S
#799 [04:59] <Wug> I had a retarded burn once
#800 [04:59] <SinZ> took froever
#801 [04:59] <Wug> ... are you .. extracting the iso for this
#802 [04:59] <Dyn4m1c> Sinz: all i can say is i think windows vista and above dont ship with PATA drivers anymore try removing the disk drive compleatly and trying again.
#803 [04:59] <Wug> was that you who was talking about that
#804 [04:59] <SinZ> Was using WinToBootIk or something like that
#805 [04:59] <SinZ> WinToBootIc
#806 [05:00] <SinZ> I'll use windows version now
#807 [05:00] <Monkeys> I keep hearing sharp inhaling/bark-like sounds when underground. What are those?
#808 [05:00] <Monkeys> Like really sharp and raspy "whoop" sounds.
#809 [05:00] <Wug> Monkeys: random ambient noises
#810 [05:00] <MK> Monkeys: I think torch mining is the only method that is guaranteed to not drop flint
#811 [05:00] <Wug> or maybe endermen
#812 [05:00] <Monkeys> No no, sounds like a certain mob I've never met before.
#813 [05:00] <Dyn4m1c> might be enderman?
#814 [05:00] <Monkeys> Ohh yeah.
#815 [05:00] <Monkeys> Enderman picking up blocks, right.
#816 [05:00] <Wug> put torches on all the things
#817 [05:01] <Dankonen> Wug!!!
#818 [05:01] <Dankonen> You are captain awesome!
#819 [05:01] <Wug> np
#820 [05:01] <SinZ> ^^^
#821 [05:01] <Wug> come back if you have any more trouble with it
#822 [05:01] <Dankonen> Thanks mate it was prolly obvious to you but to me it's an eye opener!
#823 [05:02] <Wug> it was more of a good guess
#824 [05:02] <Wug> lots of people have that problem though
#825 [05:02] <SinZ> for what
#826 [05:02] <Wug> minecraft issues caused by 32 bit java on 64 bit windows
#827 [05:02] <SinZ> ah
#828 [05:02] <SinZ> been there, done tht
#829 [05:03] <SinZ> annoying typo is annoying
#830 [05:03] <Wug> a friend of mine came up with this the other day
#831 [05:03] <|Kiichan|> ~.~
#832 [05:03] <Wug> if guns dont kill people, people kill people
#833 [05:03] <Wug> does that mean
#834 [05:03] * |Kiichan| didnt realize it was 5a,
#834 [05:03] <Wug> toasters dont toast toast, toast toasts toast?
#835 [05:03] * |Kiichan| thought it was 11... for the past 6 hours
#835 [05:03] <Wug> its obviously a no
#836 [05:04] <Wug> but its fun to say
#837 [05:04] * |Kiichan| goes to pass out
#837 [05:04] * SinZ directs |Kiichan| to the passing out zone
#837 [05:06] <SinZ> Wug: whats the fastest and easiest way to make a windows 7 installer boot-usb
#838 [05:06] <Wug> to give up and burn it to a dvd
#839 [05:07] <DiskDaemon> copy an already prepared one to the usb drive
#840 [05:07] <Wug> windows does not like to boot from anything other than the install disk or an internal hard drive
#841 [05:07] <Dyn4m1c> Windows does not boot the BIOS boots
#842 [05:07] <Wug> its much easier to do it properly if you just pander to its irritating demands
#843 [05:07] <SinZ> Dyn4m1c: Doesnt mean windows cant hate it
#844 [05:07] <SinZ> Wug: this program has Microsoft Store written on it
#845 [05:08] <Wug> the bios does the first 5 seconds of the work
#846 [05:08] <Dyn4m1c> yea i used bootsect.exe to install windows 7 from USB
#847 [05:08] <SinZ> and is digitally signed by Microsoft
#848 [05:08] <Wug> meh ok
#849 [05:08] <SinZ> and only works for vista and windows 7 installers
#850 [05:08] <Wug> I've never tried to get it to boot from anything other than install cds or internal and external hdds
#851 [05:09] <Wug> it doesnt even like to be installed to an internal hdd and then be booted from the same hdd in an external enclosure connected with esata
#852 [05:09] <Wug> I decided it wasnt worth the effort and gave up
#853 [05:09] <Dyn4m1c> use VHD's to boot windows 7 (installed) from usb
#854 [05:10] <Dyn4m1c> Windows 7 installed totally on a USB drive so your OS goes where you go.
#855 [05:11] <Wug> you'd need a bigass usb drive for that to be practical
#856 [05:11] <SinZ> Wug: I got a ubuntu install hidden on this HDD, its working, just XP took over the boot
#857 [05:11] * SinZ points to my 750gb portable hdd
#857 [05:11] <Dyn4m1c> no i used vLite to trim the fat from windows 7 then installed it to a 7.5Gb VHD on Virtual PC
#858 [05:12] <Wug> I have a 1.5TB external that has ubuntu, ophcrack, and 600GB of rainbow tables :3
#859 [05:12] <Monkeys> Is Iron armor any useful while I wait for diamond or is it not all that worth it?
#860 [05:12] <Dyn4m1c> then copied it over to a 8Gb USB drive and setup the boot loader
#861 [05:12] <Wug> Monkeys: yes
#862 [05:12] <Dyn4m1c> Iron armour is Brilliant
#863 [05:12] <SinZ> I dont use armor at all
#864 [05:12] <Wug> I dont either
#865 [05:12] <Wug> but it really does take the damage out of things
#866 [05:13] <SinZ> Full iron armor = no damage from zombie pigmen
#867 [05:13] <Dyn4m1c> Anyone else notice that Iron armour is harder to get than diamond armour
#868 [05:13] <Wug> and once you get to the point of having lots of iron, you can handle making it
#869 [05:13] <Dyn4m1c> fail
#870 [05:13] <SinZ> they Wear out the armor fast though
#871 [05:13] <Dyn4m1c> Leather armour not iron
#872 [05:13] <SinZ> I hate leather armor
#873 [05:13] <Monkeys> What's leather armor for?
#874 [05:14] <Wug> same as other armors
#875 [05:14] <Wug> just the lowest tier
#876 [05:14] <Monkeys> Ah.
#877 [05:14] <Monkeys> Or BDSM fetishes?
#878 [05:14] <Dyn4m1c> lowest tier but hardest to get.
#879 [05:14] <Wug> its not that hard to get
#880 [05:14] <Wug> just go find a field and bring a sword
#881 [05:14] <Wug> you'll have enough leather to make a set within a day
#882 [05:15] <Dyn4m1c> yea but cows now dont spawn quickly like before
#883 [05:15] <Dyn4m1c> you really need to bread them to get quick leather armour
#884 [05:16] <Grim_Reaper> Wug
#885 [05:19] <SinZ> Wug: reburned, same error
#886 [05:21] * SinZ makes new partition on portable hdd, to do a test
#886 [05:21] <SinZ> Lets see if its the hdd being a derp
#887 [05:22] <SinZ> ...
#888 [05:22] * SinZ kills Microsoft
#888 [05:22] <SinZ> Didnt even finish "Starting Windows"
#889 [05:22] <SinZ> and bluescreened
#890 [05:22] <Grim_Reaper> lol lol
#891 [05:22] <Grim_Reaper> Sorry
#892 [05:22] <SinZ> WimFsf.sys, PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA, STOP 0x00000050
#893 [05:22] <Grim_Reaper> I just find it funny in a way. Even though it sucks =\
#894 [05:23] * SinZ trys again
#894 [05:25] <SinZ> and it cant see my portable hdd
#895 [05:26] <Dyn4m1c> Just read up on that error and it can be caused by: Bad memory including(Ram, L2 Ram cache, Video Ram), and incompatible software.
#896 [05:26] <Dyn4m1c> but since you are using 64Bit XP im betting on incompatible software.
#897 [05:27] <Wug> yeah
#898 [05:27] * SinZ looks for the boot-disk someone made for me for windows 7 home premium
#898 [05:27] <Wug> a lot of drivers have issues with xp 64 because there is so little support for it
#899 [05:28] <Dyn4m1c> and that is a Windows FileSystem driver thats throwing that error.
#900 [05:31] * Grim_Reaper throws a hug at Wug
#900 [05:32] * Wug throws a muffin at Grim_Reaper
#900 [05:32] <Wug> ATOMIC MUFFIN CHOP HEYAA!
#901 [05:32] * Grim_Reaper eats the muffin
#901 [05:32] * Grim_Reaper coughs up a midget on Wug
#901 [05:33] <Wug> you know what else I just realized
#902 [05:33] <Grim_Reaper> You have no arms?
#903 [05:33] <Wug> I dont know if anyone has ever tried to use a torrent client on linux that points into an ntfs partition
#904 [05:33] <Grim_Reaper> lol
#905 [05:33] <Wug> but I now realize why they always perform so goddamn terribly
#906 [05:34] <Wug> its the freaking ntfs filesystem driver thats too busy huffing dongs to do real work
#907 [05:34] <SinZ> Oh god...
#908 [05:34] <Dyn4m1c> Ubuntu NTFS support seems good to me i have good read write speeds for it
#909 [05:35] <SinZ> FUUUU
#910 [05:35] <Wug> Dyn4m1c: try seeking repeatedly in anything larger than 4GB
#911 [05:35] <SinZ> broke my windows xp
#912 [05:35] <SinZ> Time to fix...
#913 [05:36] <Wug> I'm writing in a 500GB image file, I get about 150KB/s write
#914 [05:36] <Wug> its a usb external but thats still inexcusably slow
#915 [05:36] <Dyn4m1c> this was a 250Gb drive and i was using some large iso images.
#916 [05:36] <Grim_Reaper> Well theres your problem
#917 [05:36] <Wug> Dyn4m1c: let me rephrase
#918 [05:36] <Grim_Reaper> 150KB's lol >_>
#919 [05:36] <Wug> this is a 500GB _file_
#920 [05:37] * Grim_Reaper deletes the file
#920 [05:37] <Wug> I get speedy writes near both ends and horrible slowness anywhere in the middle
#921 [05:37] <Wug> and by middle I mean the range between about 10GB and 490GB
#922 [05:37] <Grim_Reaper> ._.
#923 [05:38] <GreyVulpine> Sure it's not just a bad image?
#924 [05:38] <Wug> I know the drive is bad, but its not that bad
#925 [05:38] * Grim_Reaper throws a wuglet at GreyVulpine
#925 [05:38] <Dyn4m1c> now ive got to ask but whats the total time remaning counter at? decades, Milenia?
#926 [05:38] * GreyVulpine feeds Wuglets to his pet golem
#926 [05:38] <Grim_Reaper> ...
#927 [05:38] <Wug> Dyn4m1c: I decided that it was not going to work and have since been reading it in 25GB blocks
#928 [05:38] <Grim_Reaper> Wug will not be pleased
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#930 [05:38] <Wug> Grim_Reaper: wuglets can teleport
#931 [05:38] <Grim_Reaper> They are for throwing. Not eating
#932 [05:39] * Grim_Reaper cuddles a wuglet
#932 [05:39] <Wug> the beginning of the drive is the bad part, the bad sectors are all clustered in important stuff like the partition table
#933 [05:39] * GreyVulpine sends Wuglets into orbit with 250 TNT cannon.
#933 [05:39] <Wug> (the drive fails to mount)
#934 [05:39] <Grim_Reaper> So you're basically.. using a dying hd?
#935 [05:39] <Wug> I'm rescuing as much data as I can
#936 [05:39] <Grim_Reaper> Ah ._.
#937 [05:39] <Grim_Reaper> Well goodluck witht hat
#938 [05:39] <Grim_Reaper> I know your pain >_>
#939 [05:40] <Dyn4m1c> yea i had that the drive would spin up then everything would freeze
#940 [05:40] <Grim_Reaper> I lost a 350GB external once..
#941 [05:40] <Grim_Reaper> Out of all the stuff on it
#942 [05:40] <SinZ> I hatr the windows xp installer so much
#943 [05:40] <Grim_Reaper> Only about 40% was recoverable
#944 [05:40] <SinZ> so useless
#945 [05:40] <Wug> once I have gotten most of it off I will hopefully be able to reconstruct the filesystem and get most of the data off
#946 [05:40] <Dyn4m1c> I love the XP installer wish 7 installed like it
#947 [05:40] <SinZ> Dyn4m1c: the XP installer enforces floppys
#948 [05:41] <Grim_Reaper> How would you reconstruct the file system Wug?
#949 [05:41] <Grim_Reaper> Just curious noob question <---
#950 [05:41] <Wug> with things like chkdsk, fsck, ntfsfix
#951 [05:41] <Grim_Reaper> Ahh oky
#952 [05:41] <Wug> anything and everything that I can think of
#953 [05:41] <Grim_Reaper> I thought it was something more advanced than that
#954 [05:41] <Grim_Reaper> Well.. different should I say
#955 [05:42] <Wug> I seriously hope I dont lose so much that I need anything more advanced than that
#956 [05:42] <Wug> things that are more advanced tend to cost more
#957 [05:42] <Grim_Reaper> Whats on it anyways?
#958 [05:42] <Grim_Reaper> If it's porn dont worry
#959 [05:42] <Wug> its all of my grandmother's everything
#960 [05:42] <Grim_Reaper> Ahh ._.
#961 [05:42] <Wug> no pressure ~.~
#962 [05:42] <Grim_Reaper> Yeah x__x
#963 [05:42] <Grim_Reaper> Careful though. You might stumble upon some nudes ._.
#964 [05:42] <GreyVulpine> Huh, WD aquired hitachi?
#965 [05:43] <Wug> the hardest part of this is getting the data off of the disk
#966 [05:43] <Grim_Reaper> I know the feeling ;;
#967 [05:43] <SinZ> Wug: I need help
#968 [05:43] <Wug> once you're done with that it will probably be fixable with regular old filesystem repair utilities
#969 [05:43] <SinZ> I deleted a partition, and now Windows XP is on a different partition number, and refuses to work
#970 [05:43] <Wug> SinZ: http://www.ubuntu.com/
#971 [05:44] <Wug> IM HELPINGGGGGG
#972 [05:44] * GreyVulpine kicks Wug
#972 [05:44] <Grim_Reaper> I am thankful for partitions...
#973 [05:44] <SinZ> Windows XP installer expects me to have a floppy to fix this
#974 [05:44] <GreyVulpine> Also, you'll need to set the other partition to uh, active or whateer
#975 [05:44] <Wug> use the install cd
#976 [05:44] <Grim_Reaper> My vista >_>.... C partition randomly started having all these bluescreens
#977 [05:44] <SinZ> <SinZ> Windows XP installer expects me to have a floppy to fix this
#978 [05:44] <Wug> <Wug> use the install cd
#979 [05:44] <Grim_Reaper> Had to install windows 7 on an external 60Gb lol. Then, make a partition on the drive. Installed windows 7 on it
#980 [05:45] <Grim_Reaper> And now Im using that
#981 [05:45] <Grim_Reaper> My old C is now my free space ._.
#982 [05:45] <Wug> go into recovery mode and fix the mbr
#983 [05:45] <Grim_Reaper> Oh leave me alone VoxelHead ;-;
#984 [05:45] <Wug> I think
#985 [05:45] <SinZ> I did, I pressed F2 for automated System Recovery, its asking me to insert a floppy drive
#986 [05:45] <GreyVulpine> Bad Grim, no spamming for you
#987 [05:45] <Wug> ....
#988 [05:45] <Grim_Reaper> ;_;
#989 [05:45] <Wug> do you have the install cd
#990 [05:45] <GreyVulpine> Such a spammer
#991 [05:45] <Wug> because they have a recovery mode
#992 [05:45] <SinZ> yes Wug
#993 [05:45] <Grim_Reaper> Im not a spammer ;__;
#994 [05:45] <Dyn4m1c> Wait XP is on another partition
#995 [05:45] <Wug> then boot it and use that instead
#996 [05:45] <Dyn4m1c> just change the Boot.ini file
#997 [05:45] <SinZ> I was
#998 [05:45] <Dyn4m1c> to point to the new partition
#999 [05:45] <SinZ> Dyn4m1c how?
#1000 [05:46] <Dyn4m1c> open run and type
#1001 [05:46] <SinZ> and how can I do that when it wont boot
#1002 [05:46] <Dyn4m1c> good point
#1003 [05:46] <Wug> SinZ: well, you could do it with an ubuntu livecd
#1004 [05:46] <Grim_Reaper> Can't you even get to a command prompt?
#1005 [05:46] <Wug> or you could use the recovery console on the install cd hint hint
#1006 [05:46] <Wug> (it gives you a command prompt and some other useful stuff)
#1007 [05:46] <SinZ> when I boot into XP
#1008 [05:47] <Grim_Reaper> SinZ
#1009 [05:47] <Grim_Reaper> If you can
#1010 [05:47] <Wug> I believe it has a "generic detecto fixallo" mode
#1011 [05:47] <Grim_Reaper> Try download "the ultimate boot disk"
#1012 [05:47] <SinZ> Following file missing/corrupt, <Windows root>\system32\ntoskrnl.exe
#1013 [05:47] <Grim_Reaper> See if that works
#1014 [05:47] <Grim_Reaper> It runs windows off a cd
#1015 [05:47] <Dyn4m1c> 2 min working with Virtual Box to see how i can do it.
#1016 [05:47] <Wug> which should detect things like wrong entries in boot.ini
#1017 [05:48] <Wug> it will also search through the registry and attempt to correct drive letters
#1018 [05:48] <Wug> (I suspect the drive letter changed and the root of the problem is here)
#1019 [05:48] <SinZ> Deleted Linux's swap partition, which was before XP
#1020 [05:48] <Wug> ... why
#1021 [05:48] <SinZ> Mis click
#1022 [05:48] <Grim_Reaper> ."_.
#1023 [05:48] <Wug> ..................................
#1024 [05:48] <Grim_Reaper> lol lol
#1025 [05:49] <Wug> you need to have the partition editor taken away from you
#1026 [05:49] <Grim_Reaper> Wug got silenced <3
#1027 [05:49] <Wug> if you're misclicking things when editing partitions, you need to slow way the hell down and think more
#1028 [05:49] <Wug> one does not simply undelete a partition
#1029 [05:50] <Dyn4m1c> SinZ: can you explore the partition where xp is installed?
#1030 [05:50] <Grim_Reaper> [12:50] <@Wug> one does not simply undelete a partition
#1031 [05:50] <Grim_Reaper> Inb4 lord of the rings pic
#1032 [05:50] <Wug> it was implied
#1033 [05:50] <Wug> ;giant-lord-of-the-rings-ascii-art
#1034 [05:50] <SinZ> One does not simply telnet into mordor.
#1035 [05:51] <Wug> SinZ: funny story
#1036 [05:51] <Wug> I used to be able to
#1037 [05:51] <Grim_Reaper> One does not simply mine with no pickaxe
#1038 [05:51] <Dyn4m1c> SinZ: Do you have a linux livecd?
#1039 [05:51] <Wug> mordor.rit.edu used to be a general student access box
#1040 [05:51] <SinZ> Grim_Reaper: done it
#1041 [05:51] <SinZ> Grim_Reaper: somewhere
#1042 [05:51] <Wug> mordor.cs.rit.edu*
#1043 [05:51] <Grim_Reaper> Note the word "simply"
#1044 [05:51] <Grim_Reaper> You can..
#1045 [05:51] <Grim_Reaper> But...
#1046 [05:51] <Grim_Reaper> It's like.. a waste of time
#1047 [05:52] <Wug> I very much could simply ssh into mordor
#1048 [05:52] <Wug> I can still ssh into gondor
#1049 [05:52] <Grim_Reaper> Wug likes to ssh into notch's pronz folders >_>
#1050 [05:52] <Dyn4m1c> Ok back on track. SinZ do you have a linux LiveCD?
#1051 [05:52] <SinZ> nonono, you use FTP for that Grim
#1052 [05:52] <Wug> SinZ: if you dont, get one from ubuntu.com
#1053 [05:53] <Grim_Reaper> SinZ Wug likes ssh better
#1054 [05:53] <Wug> just burn it to a cd, dont bother with usb crap
#1055 [05:53] <Wug> scp*
#1056 [05:53] <Grim_Reaper> He likes to ssh and use the wget command
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#1058 [05:53] * Wug sqozzs Iguana
#1058 [05:53] * Grim_Reaper hugs Iguana
#1058 [05:53] * Grim_Reaper pets the lizard and gives him a toad to eat
#1058 [05:53] * Wug snatches the toad
#1058 [05:54] * Wug gives Iguana a delicious flower instead
#1058 [05:54] <SinZ> Yay
#1059 [05:54] <SinZ> Ubuntu has multi-monitor on the live-cd
#1060 [05:54] <Grim_Reaper> Wug.. are wugs immune to poison frogs?
#1061 [05:54] <Wug> Grim_Reaper: yes, but I dont eat them
#1062 [05:54] <Grim_Reaper> K
#1063 [05:55] <Dyn4m1c> SinZ: ok ill take it that you are using a live cd now
#1064 [05:55] <Iguana> what
#1065 [05:55] * Grim_Reaper offers Wug a hug
#1065 [05:55] <Wug> I used to raise toads
#1066 [05:55] <SinZ> yup
#1067 [05:55] <Wug> we would keep them in a fishtank with dirt
#1068 [05:55] <Dyn4m1c> ok now can you find the folder Windows where xp is installed
#1069 [05:55] <Wug> we'd catch them and feed them worms, then release them after a year
#1070 [05:55] <SinZ> Forgot I had an ubuntu 10.10 6pack live-cd kit
#1071 [05:55] <Grim_Reaper> I like toads and frogs
#1072 [05:56] <Wug> reptiles and amphibians are collectively referred to as herptiles
#1073 [05:56] <Grim_Reaper> lol
#1074 [05:56] <Wug> the act of catching them is called herping
#1075 [05:56] * Wug herps
#1075 [05:56] * Wug herps Iguana
#1075 [05:56] <Grim_Reaper> What is the act of derping?
#1076 [05:56] <Wug> idk. they need to discover a new order of animal and call them derptiles
#1077 [05:57] * Grim_Reaper puts Iguana in a big warm glass cage
#1077 [05:57] * Wug applies a sun lamp to Iguana
#1077 [05:57] <Dyn4m1c> SinZ: You there??
#1078 [05:57] * Grim_Reaper adds a rock and a mini pool
#1078 [05:57] <SinZ> yen
#1079 [05:57] <SinZ> yeh
#1080 [05:57] <SinZ> just mounted it then
#1081 [05:57] * Grim_Reaper adds some small logs and brances and mini trees
#1081 [05:57] <Wug> SinZ: step 1 is look but dont touch
#1082 [05:57] * Grim_Reaper then adds a wuglet in for feeding
#1082 [05:57] <Dyn4m1c> k can you see a file called boot.ini it will be in the root of the drive.
#1083 [05:58] <Wug> find anything that may be out of the ordinary
#1084 [05:58] <SinZ> yup
#1085 [05:58] <SinZ> what program opens it
#1086 [05:58] <Dyn4m1c> ok open it
#1087 [05:58] <Wug> its a text file
#1088 [05:58] <Dyn4m1c> DO NOT DELETE ANYTHING
#1089 [05:58] <Wug> pastebin the contents
#1090 [05:58] <Grim_Reaper> Do not del. Do not edit. Do nothing
#1091 [05:58] <Grim_Reaper> But look
#1092 [05:58] <Dyn4m1c> Gedit openes it
#1093 [05:58] <SinZ> GEdit doesnt say it opens it
#1094 [05:58] <Wug> also, run 'sudo fdisk -l' and pastebin that too
#1095 [05:58] <SinZ> Cant detect the character encoding
#1096 [05:59] <Wug> then cat it
#1097 [05:59] <Grim_Reaper> Meow?
#1098 [05:59] <Wug> how familiar are you with linux
#1099 [05:59] <Wug> hypothetically if I told you to cat something would you know what I meant
#1100 [06:00] <Grim_Reaper> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxWeSv3ukDM&feature=related | The Wombles - NSFW
#1101 [06:00] <Dyn4m1c> Ive got ubuntu 10.04 open in virtual box i can type you through it.
#1102 [06:00] <SinZ> Dyn4m1c: what encoding is it in
#1103 [06:01] <Dyn4m1c> Boot.ini is just a TXT file
#1104 [06:01] <Dyn4m1c> no special encoding
#1105 [06:01] <SinZ> Tell gedit that
#1106 [06:01] <Dyn4m1c> seems like your's might be corrupted
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#1108 [06:01] <FourFire> hello all
#1109 [06:01] <FourFire> I have a funny
#1110 [06:01] <FourFire> > In Physics class
#1111 [06:02] <FourFire> > Minecraft physics is more interesting
#1112 [06:02] <FourFire> > Disregard teacher; I'm on youtube
#1113 [06:05] <SinZ> back
#1114 [06:05] <Dyn4m1c> k can open boot.ini with cat
#1115 [06:05] <Dyn4m1c> you will need terminal for that
#1116 [06:06] <SinZ> what folder are the mounts in
#1117 [06:06] <Dyn4m1c> media
#1118 [06:06] <SinZ> cat boot.ini
#1119 [06:06] <SinZ> Nothing happened
#1120 [06:06] <Dyn4m1c> yep
#1121 [06:07] <Dyn4m1c> can you dir and check that boot.ini exists in your folder
#1122 [06:07] <SinZ> I did (ls)
#1123 [06:07] <Dyn4m1c> is there other files like ntldr, io.sys
#1124 [06:08] <SinZ> $bootdrive$, $lsdrive$, Config.Msi
#1125 [06:08] <SinZ> ntldr
#1126 [06:09] <Dyn4m1c> k it seems your boot.ini file is corrupted
#1127 [06:09] <SinZ> bad, right?
#1128 [06:09] <Wug> this is really something you should fix with the install cd
#1129 [06:09] <Dyn4m1c> yea
#1130 [06:09] <Wug> you can probably regenerate it in recovery mode with very little effory
#1131 [06:09] <Wug> t*
#1132 [06:10] <Dyn4m1c> although ive tried that a few minutes ago and it does ask for a floppy disk
#1133 [06:10] <Dyn4m1c> witch even i dont have.
#1134 [06:10] <Wug> ive used recovery mode and it never asked me for a floppy disk
#1135 [06:10] <SinZ> yeh, gotta wait abit
#1136 [06:10] <SinZ> then click R
#1137 [06:11] <Wug> recovery mode should basically put you at a souped up command line
#1138 [06:11] <SinZ> I entered in the wrong drive letter, as it changed
#1139 [06:11] <Wug> from there you have access to several tools designed to restore proper system config as needed
#1140 [06:11] <SinZ> I'll turn off the other hdd's
#1141 [06:12] <Wug> I have little knowledge of how to use it but you can probably find useful info and instructions on google and the knowledge base
#1142 [06:12] <SinZ> not that hard, I just failed the first time
#1143 [06:13] <SinZ> doesnt help to have 3 HDD's, all with old copys of windows from old laptops
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#1145 [06:13] <Dyn4m1c> lol
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#1147 [06:15] <SinZ> Wug: im in recovery console now, and im in the right drive
#1148 [06:15] <SinZ> Howto fix
#1149 [06:16] <Wug> ok, lets see
#1150 [06:16] <Dyn4m1c> command bootcfg /rebuild
#1151 [06:16] <Dyn4m1c> wait before that
#1152 [06:16] <SinZ> too late
#1153 [06:16] <Dyn4m1c> bootcfg /list
#1154 [06:16] <Dyn4m1c> meh this one just lists your boot.ini
#1155 [06:16] <Wug> bootcfg /rebuild should do it for you
#1156 [06:17] <SinZ> hell, C:\ might be the OS now <3
#1157 [06:17] <SinZ> it is in the recovery console
#1158 [06:17] <Wug> reading material: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314058
#1159 [06:17] <Wug> reading material: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314058
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#1161 [06:24] <SinZ> not kidding when it says it may take awhile
#1162 [06:24] <Dyn4m1c> it is searching for any windows instilations
#1163 [06:24] <Dyn4m1c> and you have a few
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#1165 [06:24] <Wug> (if you only have one drive plugged in it shouldnt take too much longer)
#1166 [06:25] <Dyn4m1c> Actually thats a good point are you sure you are in the correct drive. If you have multiple drives all with windows installed.
#1167 [06:27] <SinZ> Well, that didnt work after awhile
#1168 [06:28] <Dyn4m1c> what was the error?
#1169 [06:28] <SinZ> in bootcfg /rebuild never gave me the option of C:\
#1170 [06:28] <SinZ> which was the correct drive
#1171 [06:28] <SinZ> as I was in it, and it had my files
#1172 [06:28] <Dyn4m1c> so you now have a working boot.ini file
#1173 [06:29] <Dyn4m1c> but with incorrect settings
#1174 [06:30] <Wug> it might remain called something else
#1175 [06:30] <Wug> it was F in your old installation correct
#1176 [06:30] <SinZ> yup
#1177 [06:30] <Wug> it may have gone and rearranged everything
#1178 [06:30] <SinZ> C:\ has my minecraft server
#1179 [06:31] <Wug> you should try to boot now, without changing anything or plugging any drives back in, and see what happens
#1180 [06:31] <SinZ> I did try, it tried to boot vista...
#1181 [06:31] <SinZ> one of my laptops
#1182 [06:31] <Wug> you sure you're on the right hard drive
#1183 [06:31] <SinZ> yup, 500gb others are smaller
#1184 [06:32] <SinZ> but I dont think disabling in bios does much
#1185 [06:32] <Wug> you might need to change the partition flags
#1186 [06:32] <Wug> if it tried to boot as vista, that would imply that the wrong partition is marked bootable
#1187 [06:32] <Wug> you can do this with [redacted]
#1188 [06:33] <Wug> now go read that article to figure out what [redacted] is
#1189 [06:33] <Wug> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314058
#1190 [06:33] <Wug> still in my clipboard, look at that
#1191 [06:33] <Wug> read ALL of the documentation before you even think about touching it
#1192 [06:33] <Wug> measure twice, cut once
#1193 [06:35] <Wug> honestly you might be better off just scraping it, saving whats important, and reinstalling
#1194 [06:36] <Wug> it sounds kind of like your partitions are all jumbled together in a disorganized heap
#1195 [06:36] <Dyn4m1c> ^^ Suggested
#1196 [06:37] <SinZ> hmm, what to backup on
#1197 [06:38] <DiskDaemon> backup on to another drive. Buy one, it's always useful for backup later on, or further storage
#1198 [06:38] <Wug> >.> says the disk daemon
#1199 [06:39] <Wug> but yeah, backing up on another drive is a good idea
#1200 [06:40] * SinZ has no idea if its possible to backup to usb
#1200 [06:40] <SinZ> MAP isnt showing it
#1201 [06:41] <SinZ> and dont know how to change drives to check what hdd it is
#1202 [06:41] <Wug> you wont be able to do that from the recovery console
#1203 [06:41] <SinZ> =(
#1204 [06:41] <Wug> if you had read the documentation as instructed >:|
#1205 [06:42] <Wug> you would have read the part that says files cannot be copied off of the hard drive for security reasons, though they may be copied on, and that access is restricted to only relevant folders such as %systemroot%
#1206 [06:42] <SinZ> ubuntu livecd here we go
#1207 [06:42] <Wug> yep
#1208 [06:43] <Wug> count yourself lucky the drive is functioning normally -.-
#1209 [06:43] * Wug gripes about bad sectors
#1209 [06:43] * SinZ feels sorry for wug
#1209 [06:44] <Dyn4m1c> how far you in wug?
#1210 [06:44] <Wug> I'm not going to go check but I estimate that I've gotten about ... 120GB off or so
#1211 [06:44] <SinZ> this hdd has given me nothing but grief, spent hours messing with RAID, thinking it was the cause for all the windows 7 installs to fail
#1212 [06:44] <Dyn4m1c> feeling the pain Wug.
#1213 [06:44] <Wug> horribly slow progress due to shitty ntfs performance
#1214 [06:45] <Wug> bought a new drive on newegg that is going to be formatted to ext4 and used instead
#1215 [06:45] <Dyn4m1c> nice
#1216 [06:45] <Wug> thankfully I've heard that the terrible performance is only for writes so reading the data onto the new drive shouldnt be as slow
#1217 [06:45] <Wug> that and I can do it all at once
#1218 [06:46] <Wug> I cant do more than one copy operation from the bad drive because I dont want to stress it
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#1220 [06:48] * Grim_Reaper dramaticly snaps a twig infront of Wug to scare him
#1220 [06:49] * SinZ has copied the only decent thing from desktop
#1220 [06:50] <Dyn4m1c> what was that?
#1221 [06:50] <SinZ> private minecraft server
#1222 [06:56] <SinZ> Oh good
#1223 [06:56] <SinZ> Windows XP is copying files
#1224 [06:56] <Dyn4m1c> did you delete all the partitions so that you were starting fresh
#1225 [06:56] <SinZ> bluescreen, and I will stay with ubuntu, and have to live with ubuntu
#1226 [06:57] <SinZ> Nah, they are only in my comp to "recover" old files
#1227 [06:57] <SinZ> and its cool to have 6 hdds in My Computer
#1228 [06:57] <Wug> you really should delete all of the partitions on the drive and organize yourself
#1229 [06:58] <SinZ> On the drive, theres an abbandoned ubuntu install, an empty partition, and my OS partition (windows xp)
#1230 [06:59] <Wug> can you justify having each of them for more than 15 seconds
#1231 [06:59] <Wug> if not, delete them
#1232 [06:59] <SinZ> They were all suppost to be temp partitions for when I put windows 7 on the computer
#1233 [07:00] <SinZ> which never worked
#1234 [07:00] <SinZ> ...
#1235 [07:00] <SinZ> It didnt even make it to part-2 of the install
#1236 [07:00] <SinZ> and its missing a file
#1237 [07:01] <SinZ> fuck. it.
#1238 [07:01] * AuBot kicked SinZ from #minecrafthelp (Reason: inZ :Please keep it civil.)
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#1240 [07:01] <Wug> whats missing a file
#1241 [07:01] <SinZ> unplugging the laptop harddrives, and deleting partitions on the 500gb drive
#1242 [07:01] <SinZ> windows is missing ntldr or something
#1243 [07:03] <SinZ> there
#1244 [07:03] <SinZ> both of my laptop hdd's are out of the desktop.
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#1246 [07:08] <Minecrafter12> Hey i need help by bukkit plugins (Permissions)
#1247 [07:08] <Wug> Minecrafter12: I think permissions has its own channel but I don't remember what it is
#1248 [07:08] <Wug> you could however ask in #bukkit
#1249 [07:08] <Minecrafter12> thanks
#1250 [07:10] <SinZ> Permissions was abbandon from memory
#1251 [07:10] <Minecrafter12> there dont anyone answer me ^^
#1252 [07:11] <Wug> give them a minute
#1253 [07:11] <Minecrafter12> k
#1254 [07:11] <SinZ> Minecrafter12: I dont think thats PermissionsEx, or bukkits fault
#1255 [07:12] <SinZ> Check the console for an error
#1256 [07:18] <Minecrafter12> yes there is an error there stand:
#1257 [07:18] <SinZ> pastebin
#1258 [07:18] <Minecrafter12> http://mibpaste.com/YdEgCN
#1259 [07:19] <Minecrafter12> and here is my yml:
#1260 [07:19] <SinZ> 0.o internal server error for taht
#1261 [07:19] <Minecrafter12> http://mibpaste.com/EOcAa2
#1262 [07:20] <Minecrafter12> yes i have it but i dont know where is the problem
#1263 [07:20] <SinZ> I dont see proper spacing with tabs
#1264 [07:20] <SinZ> 4 spaces*
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#1266 [07:21] <Minecrafter12> you think that is the problem ?
#1267 [07:21] <SinZ> YAML is very picky
#1268 [07:22] <Minecrafter12> yep i know
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#1270 [07:24] <SinZ> Wug: Oh god, forgot to click QUICK format
#1271 [07:24] <SinZ> now its formatting a 500gb hdd, Very very slowly
#1272 [07:25] <SinZ> its up to about 14%, and its been going for about 20 minutes
#1273 [07:25] <Minecrafter12> :o
#1274 [07:25] <GreyVulpine> Grab a 12 pack, come back tomorrow
#1275 [07:25] <Minecrafter12> u have teamviewer 7 ?
#1276 [07:25] <SinZ> yup
#1277 [07:25] <Dyn4m1c> Well SinZ You have a long wait ahead of you
#1278 [07:26] <Minecrafter12> can you help me with it
#1279 [07:26] <SinZ> sure
#1280 [07:26] <SinZ> I got time...
#1281 [07:26] * SinZ stares at 15% formatting
#1281 [07:26] <Minecrafter12> ok wait little moment
#1282 [07:26] <Dyn4m1c> it would be alot quicker to cancel the install and restart the intall
#1283 [07:26] <SinZ> inorite, but iv had enough trouble with this hdd as it is
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#1285 [07:41] <Monkeys> Will a chimney like this effectively not burn down the house? http://images.suite101.com/2898487_COM_minecraft_finished_fireplace.JPG
#1286 [07:41] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, shouldn't, unless there's wood directly behind that fire
#1287 [07:43] <GreyVulpine> What was it.. 2 blocks away that fire can spread?
#1288 [07:43] <DiskDaemon> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Fire#Fire_spreading
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#1302 [09:48] <Jonathan> Hello
#1303 [09:48] <Jonathan> Does this help also apply with some troubleshooting with the wiki?
#1304 [09:49] <Jonathan> Well you see I want to upload a picture,but the browse button won't let me browse.... Any suggestions?
#1305 [09:49] <GreyVulpine> You'll want #minecraftwiki
#1306 [09:50] <Jonathan> Oh sorry bout that....
#1307 [09:50] <Jonathan> Thanks Grey :3
#1308 [09:50] <Jonathan> Thanks Grey :3
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#1318 [10:26] <MK> If you use silk touch to get huge mushroom blocks, will they retain the same data values? (i.e. which side of the block has spores on it)
#1319 [10:28] <GreyVulpine> Don't believe so
#1320 [10:29] <MK> Hm, does silk touch in general not retain those values then?
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#1322 [10:32] <GreyVulpine> Silktouch only lets you mine the formerally unobtainable blocks, stone, ores, glass blocks/panes..
#1323 [10:33] <MK> actually it has to, since it retains the type of leaf you get
#1324 [10:33] <MK> I guess just not with mushroom blocks
#1325 [10:33] <Trebrous> anyone know any good videos on setting up mc servers
#1326 [10:33] <Trebrous> im havin some problems lol
#1327 [10:34] <GreyVulpine> Could you describe the problem?
#1328 [10:34] <Trebrous> yeah well im in the MC server window to add user and im sapposed to add myself to owner list
#1329 [10:34] <Trebrous> so
#1330 [10:34] <Trebrous> i did manuadd Trebrous Owner
#1331 [10:34] <Trebrous> and it says player not found
#1332 [10:35] <GreyVulpine> Are you logged into your server with your client?
#1333 [10:35] <Trebrous> i have to do that 1st? im an idiot
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#1335 [10:37] <Trebrous> sorry bout that
#1336 [10:39] <Trebrous> is it goan be different if im using windows vista
#1337 [10:40] <GreyVulpine> I don't know what process you're following, or what type of modded server you're using.
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#1339 [10:42] <Trebrous> bukkit
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#1341 [10:43] <GreyVulpine> Bukkit doesn't have a 'manuadd' command by itself
#1342 [10:44] <GreyVulpine> Unless you're using essentials or some other permission-based plugin for bukkit
#1343 [10:44] <Trebrous> mk
#1344 [10:44] <GreyVulpine> Best place to ask about bukkit server setup is #bukkit
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#1346 [10:47] <Trebrous> thank you
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#1370 [12:19] <morton> Hi thre
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#1372 [12:19] <morton> bought minecraft yesterday but can't play it
#1373 [12:20] <morton> neither per launcher nor in browser
#1374 [12:20] <Calinou> morton: what's your computer specs, and operating system?
#1375 [12:21] <Calinou> minecraft DOES require a recent computer, contrary to common belief
#1376 [12:21] <morton> win 7 64 bit already java updated, forced minecraft update
#1377 [12:21] <Calinou> do you have java installed?
#1378 [12:21] <Boreeas> morton: Don't use Java 7
#1379 [12:21] <morton> yes
#1380 [12:21] <morton> don't have
#1381 [12:21] <Boreeas> Alright
#1382 [12:21] <Calinou> press Windows+R then type this: dxdiag
#1383 [12:22] <Boreeas> morton: Any error message? What results /do/ you get? What do you expect to see?
#1384 [12:23] <morton> direct x diagnoseprogramm
#1385 [12:25] <morton> what should i do now?
#1386 [12:26] <morton> hello?
#1387 [12:26] <Boreeas> ??> morton win/dxdiag
#1388 [12:26] <VoxelHead> morton: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#1389 [12:26] <VoxelHead> morton: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
#1390 [12:27] <Boreeas> morton: When starting Minecraft: Any error message? What results /do/ you get? What do you expect to see?
#1391 [12:27] <EyesIsMine> Boreeas, why not? I use java 7
#1392 [12:27] <EyesIsMine> Calinou, I use a crap pc
#1393 [12:28] <Boreeas> EyesIsMine: Minecraft is known to have issues with Java 7, therefore we do not recommend it
#1394 [12:30] <morton> so
#1395 [12:30] <morton> heres the link
#1396 [12:30] <morton> http://pastebin.com/5RmxWuif
#1397 [12:31] <Boreeas> morton: When starting Minecraft: Any error message? What results /do/ you get? What do you expect to see?
#1398 [12:31] <morton> and the error message: Can't connect with minecraft.net
#1399 [12:31] <EyesIsMine> oh
#1400 [12:31] <Boreeas> !login
#1401 [12:31] <morton> Just can't login on my pc
#1402 [12:32] <morton> other account works on my pc failed; my account on other pc works
#1403 [12:33] <Boreeas> morton: Using Avira or AVG?
#1404 [12:33] <morton> no g-data
#1405 [12:34] <morton> tried to exception on firewall and shutting off too
#1406 [12:34] <Boreeas> Morton: What do you get when opening this site? https://login.minecraft.net/?user=Meep&password=notreal&version=13
#1407 [12:34] <morton> Bad login
#1408 [12:35] <Boreeas> Hmm, that's alright
#1409 [12:35] <GreyVulpine> Could you go to your start menu, in the search bar, type in: %userprofile%
#1410 [12:35] <Boreeas> Does your windows username include a ! ?
#1411 [12:35] <GreyVulpine> Press enter. Tell us the folder's name it takes you to
#1412 [12:35] <morton> yes
#1413 [12:35] <Boreeas> Ah
#1414 [12:35] <morton> fuuuuuuu
#1415 [12:36] <Boreeas> ??> morton win/!
#1416 [12:36] <VoxelHead> morton: (win/!) Having exclamation marks or other special characters in your windows username can break minecraft. A workaround is available. Download and run the following file:
#1417 [12:36] <VoxelHead> morton: (win/!) Special Character Workaround: http://mcfaq.hfbgaming.com/tools/WindowsProfileFix.exe NOTE: We do not guarantee this will work and it may break other parts of Minecraft! Use at your own risk. Must be run as an Administrator.
#1418 [12:40] <morton> okay Thx
#1419 [12:40] <morton> it works
#1420 [12:40] <morton> have i to start this .exe everytime or just once
#1421 [12:40] <GreyVulpine> Just use the minecraft shortcut on your desktop
#1422 [12:40] <GreyVulpine> It should've created one.
#1423 [12:40] <morton> okay
#1424 [12:40] <morton> thx
#1425 [12:40] <morton> thx
#1426 [12:42] <Boreeas> And that's why you always ask for an error message before asking for an dxdiag :D
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#1428 [12:42] * GreyVulpine nods
#1428 [12:44] <dumby88> Will Minecraft work with Android?
#1429 [12:44] <GreyVulpine> The mobile version, yes
#1430 [12:44] <dumby88> k
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#1432 [12:44] <GreyVulpine> See: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mojang.minecraftpe
#1433 [12:45] <GreyVulpine> As far as I know, it's only creative for now
#1434 [12:45] <spmedia> Does anyone know who to contact if I need to purchase more than 5 gift codes? Aparently your account cant have more than 5 already purchased.
#1435 [12:45] <GreyVulpine> http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/329763-i-want-to-buy-more-than-5-gift-codes-
#1436 [12:46] <GreyVulpine> "The restriction is system-wide, and as some of our systems are still being created, we do not currently have the ability to lift it on an individual basis."
#1437 [12:46] <Boreeas> That's one helpful article
#1438 [12:46] <Boreeas> "We are sorry for your problem"
#1439 [12:46] <spmedia> wow
#1440 [12:47] <spmedia> http://i.imgur.com/QN6JX.png
#1441 [12:47] <spmedia> error it gives when you try to buy more
#1442 [12:47] * GreyVulpine nods
#1442 [12:47] <spmedia> :\ i give away accounts to winners
#1443 [12:47] <spmedia> i need to legitly buy more
#1444 [12:47] <GreyVulpine> Mojang's had to deal with plenty of accounts that were scammed, because of the unrestricted gift code limit
#1445 [12:47] <Boreeas> Try making a second account.
#1446 [12:49] <spmedia> Seems like thats the only solution at
#1447 [12:50] <spmedia> atm*
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#1454 [12:56] <spmedia1> they removed purchase via PayPal >_<
#1455 [12:56] <spmedia1> it was there few days ago bc I just bought one
#1456 [12:58] <Morrolan> Heh, indeed.
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#1462 [13:53] <jesse> um
#1463 [13:53] <Calinou> yes?
#1464 [13:53] <jesse> is redstone dust findable it self
#1465 [13:54] <Calinou> GreyVulpine: there is survival mode in PE by the way ;)
#1466 [13:54] <jesse> insted of mining the redstone ore and smeling it or how ever u do to get redstone
#1467 [13:54] <Calinou> since 0.2
#1468 [13:54] <Calinou> you don't smelt redstone ore, you mine it with an iron/diamond pickaxe
#1469 [13:54] <Calinou> you directly get redstone dust
#1470 [13:54] <jesse> oo
#1471 [13:54] <jesse> oh
#1472 [13:54] <sugoi> jesse: dust only comes from mining redtone ore
#1473 [13:54] <Calinou> however if you have a pickaxe with "silk touch" enchantment you directly get the ore
#1474 [13:54] <Calinou> silk touch is very hard to get
#1475 [13:54] <jesse> how do i ecgament
#1476 [13:55] <jesse> echatment*
#1477 [13:55] <jesse> why
#1478 [13:55] <sugoi> you have to build a ecgament table first
#1479 [13:55] <jesse> lolz typos
#1480 [13:55] <sugoi> jesse: 'hard' == 'rare'
#1481 [13:55] <sugoi> due to random
#1482 [13:55] <jesse> mmkay ty
#1483 [13:55] <jesse> :D
#1484 [13:55] <jesse> does anyone wanna play survival multi player with me? :x
#1485 [13:55] <sugoi> i do
#1486 [13:55] <sugoi> but i'm a work
#1487 [13:55] <jesse> :D
#1488 [13:56] <sugoi> :(
#1489 [13:56] <jesse> ur a work?
#1490 [13:56] <sugoi> yep
#1491 [13:56] <jesse> um?
#1492 [13:56] <jesse> what?
#1493 [13:56] <sugoi> ?? dont/tweet
#1494 [13:56] <VoxelHead> dont/tweet: IRC has a very generous limit on the length of its messages. Please, for the sake of our sanity, use complete words, such as 'you', 'one', and 'are', and not 'u', '1', and 'r'.
#1495 [13:56] <sugoi> :)
#1496 [13:56] <sugoi> jesse: what do you mean "what" ?
#1497 [13:57] <jesse> u said ur a work
#1498 [13:57] <jesse> what do u mean
#1499 [13:57] <sugoi> means, i'm sitting at my desk, at work
#1500 [13:57] <jesse> oh -.- u said "im a work"
#1501 [13:58] <jesse> o well
#1502 [13:58] <sugoi> jesse: and the suggestions from voxelhead was to say "you" not "u", and "you're" not "ur"
#1503 [13:58] <sugoi> but meh
#1504 [13:58] <sugoi> jesse: ah, sorry :)
#1505 [13:58] <sugoi> AT work
#1506 [13:58] <jesse> its k :x
#1507 [13:58] <Boreeas> Grmmr nzs
#1508 [13:58] <jesse> when do u get off
#1509 [13:58] <sugoi> Boreeas: woot!
#1510 [13:58] <jesse> so we can play
#1511 [13:58] <sugoi> haha
#1512 [13:58] <Boreeas> Zere vill be no missspelling!
#1513 [13:58] <jesse> :p
#1514 [13:58] <jesse> lolz
#1515 [13:59] <sugoi> about 6 hours, +2 for dinner and putting the kid to bed
#1516 [13:59] <sugoi> so, 8 hours?
#1517 [13:59] <sugoi> ish
#1518 [13:59] <jesse> ZOMG
#1519 [13:59] <jesse> ehhm...
#1520 [13:59] <jesse> anyone else that wants to play?
#1521 [13:59] <jesse> :X
#1522 [13:59] <Boreeas> ??< jesse smp/servers
#1523 [13:59] <Boreeas> ??> jesse smp/servers
#1524 [13:59] <VoxelHead> jesse: (smp/servers) There currently is no master list of all SMP servers. Fan-made indexes include http://minestatus.net/ - http://www.mcserverlist.net/ - http://www.reddit.com/r/mcservers - http://minecraftservers.net/ - http://minecraft.dk/mcserverlist/
#1525 [13:59] <jesse> ?
#1526 [14:00] <VoxelHead> jesse: (smp/servers) You can also find a list at the MC forums at http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewforum.php?f=1025. Also, try the #smp channel.
#1527 [14:00] <Boreeas> There, nough people for you to play with
#1528 [14:00] <jesse> voxel
#1529 [14:00] <jesse> i only wanna play 2-4 player
#1530 [14:00] <jesse> survival
#1531 [14:00] <jesse> no custom server
#1532 [14:00] <Boreeas> Look for a small server then
#1533 [14:00] <jesse> on what site..
#1534 [14:01] <Boreeas> Any of the ones vox mentioned
#1535 [14:01] <jesse> but all those r
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#1537 [14:01] <jesse> the custom servers
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#1539 [14:01] <jesse> i just want a random seed and 2-4 players
#1540 [14:02] <jesse> ...
#1541 [14:02] <jesse> random seeded server<
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#1543 [14:02] <jesse> #check jesse
#1544 [14:02] <jesse> oo
#1545 [14:02] <sugoi> ;check jesse
#1546 [14:02] <WugBot> Unable to connect to address: 108-200-248-216.lightspeed.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net:25565 (Timed out)
#1547 [14:02] <jesse> oh
#1548 [14:02] <jesse> ...
#1549 [14:02] <jesse> sugoi
#1550 [14:02] <jesse> can u help me
#1551 [14:02] <WugBot> jesse: (ww) Help you with what? Please describe the problem in detail.
#1552 [14:02] <AM3> Ignore my typo.
#1553 [14:03] <Boreeas> AM3: What typo?
#1554 [14:03] <jesse> When i try to port foward
#1555 [14:03] <jesse> i go to my ip and it asks for user and pass
#1556 [14:03] <jesse> i try admin and admin and it doesnt work i dont know it
#1557 [14:03] <jesse> can u help me?
#1558 [14:03] <WugBot> jesse: (ww) Help you with what? Please describe the problem in detail.
#1559 [14:03] <jesse> ..
#1560 [14:03] <jesse> stupid bot..
#1561 [14:04] <Boreeas> jesse: Is "admin" and "admin" your router's password?
#1562 [14:04] <jesse> idk
#1563 [14:04] <jesse> how do i find out
#1564 [14:04] <jesse> ?
#1565 [14:04] <Boreeas> You should know, its your router
#1566 [14:04] <jesse> not mine my uncles
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#1568 [14:05] <jesse> but hes a
#1569 [14:05] <jesse> ugh
#1570 [14:05] <Boreeas> Then you probably shouldn't forward ports on them
#1571 [14:05] <jesse> **** and wont tell me
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#1573 [14:05] <jesse> he doesnt care
#1574 [14:05] <jesse> i asked him he said its ok
#1575 [14:05] <Boreeas> Well, guess why? No one likes people messing around with their system behind their back
#1576 [14:05] <jesse> he just wont give me any info
#1577 [14:05] <Boreeas> If he didn'T care, he would give you the info
#1578 [14:05] <jesse> no he wouldnt
#1579 [14:05] <jesse> he thinks it personal
#1580 [14:06] <jesse> like a credit card number...
#1581 [14:06] <Trebrous> im having problems with my server i positive i set it all up right but it says CANT REACH SERVER
#1582 [14:06] <jesse> trebrous
#1583 [14:06] <jesse> did u port foward
#1584 [14:06] <Trebrous> yes
#1585 [14:06] <jesse> um
#1586 [14:06] <sugoi> Trebrous: can you in lan?
#1587 [14:06] <jesse> ;check trebrous
#1588 [14:06] <WugBot> Unable to connect to address: 99.149.120.65:25565 (Timed out)
#1589 [14:06] <jesse> nopeee
#1590 [14:06] <jesse> LX
#1591 [14:06] <Trebrous> ?
#1592 [14:06] <sugoi> jesse: let me help him, thanks
#1593 [14:06] <jesse> k..
#1594 [14:06] <sugoi> Trebrous: can you connect to the server in the same lan?
#1595 [14:06] <Trebrous> let me check
#1596 [14:07] <Trebrous> one sec
#1597 [14:07] <Trebrous> i set up on my desktop nad im on my labtop
#1598 [14:07] <sugoi> k
#1599 [14:08] <jesse> #smp server
#1600 [14:09] <sugoi> jesse: did you mean ?? smp/servers ?
#1601 [14:09] <sugoi> ?? smp/servers
#1602 [14:09] <VoxelHead> smp/servers: There currently is no master list of all SMP servers. Fan-made indexes include http://minestatus.net/ - http://www.mcserverlist.net/ - http://www.reddit.com/r/mcservers - http://minecraftservers.net/ - http://minecraft.dk/mcserverlist/
#1603 [14:10] <VoxelHead> smp/servers: You can also find a list at the MC forums at http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewforum.php?f=1025. Also, try the #smp channel.
#1604 [14:11] <Trebrous> there was something wrong with my java pluggin on my desktop could that be the problem?
#1605 [14:11] <sugoi> sure
#1606 [14:11] <sugoi> what was wrong with it?
#1607 [14:12] <sugoi> you should have j6 on both client and server
#1608 [14:12] <Trebrous> k yeah i didnt ahve that on desktop
#1609 [14:12] <jesse> how do i tame a dog
#1610 [14:12] <jesse> on mc
#1611 [14:13] <jesse> ???
#1612 [14:13] <sugoi> jesse: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Wolf#Taming
#1613 [14:13] <GreyVulpine> With a bone
#1614 [14:13] <sugoi> GreyVulpine is here!
#1615 [14:14] <GreyVulpine> Lies
#1616 [14:14] <sugoi> :)
#1617 [14:17] <jesse> tamed!
#1618 [14:17] <jesse> w00t
#1619 [14:17] <jesse> need doggggyyy
#1620 [14:17] <Boreeas> ;quiet jesse
#1621 [14:17] <sugoi> Boreeas: heh
#1622 [14:17] <Boreeas> jesse: please cut down on the spam
#1623 [14:17] <Boreeas> ;unquiet jesse
#1624 [14:18] <Boreeas> Erm
#1625 [14:18] <sugoi> dequiet
#1626 [14:18] <Boreeas> ;dequiet jesse
#1627 [14:18] <Boreeas> Thanks, sugoi
#1628 [14:18] <sugoi> np
#1629 [14:18] <jesse> wtf
#1630 [14:18] <sugoi> dp, too, i think
#1631 [14:18] <sugoi> dq*
#1632 [14:18] <jesse> sugoi
#1633 [14:18] <sugoi> jesse: he's just saying, refrain from using this channel as your game log
#1634 [14:18] <Morrolan> ;dq Morrolan
#1635 [14:19] <Boreeas> lol Morrolan
#1636 [14:19] <Morrolan> Eh, either no access nor not a command.
#1637 [14:19] <Boreeas> ;dq Morrolan
#1638 [14:19] <Morrolan> Oh.
#1639 [14:19] <Morrolan> Disregard, it is a command. :D
#1640 [14:19] <Boreeas> Hah!
#1641 [14:19] <jesse> sugoi, know any websites that are just multi player 2-4 survival just random seeded?
#1642 [14:19] * Morrolan goes back into the corner he was crawling out from
#1642 [14:20] <Boreeas> http://multiplayertwotofourwithrandomseedinsurvivalmode.com
#1643 [14:20] <jesse> lol
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#1645 [14:24] <sugoi> jesse: i don't know :) i don't track that
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#1648 [14:27] <db_> ok i have a small question lol
#1649 [14:27] <db_> how doi add server information to the minecraft EXE
#1650 [14:28] <sugoi> db_: can you elaborate?
#1651 [14:28] <db_> like if i wanted to use one of the multi player in browser addresses in the EXE program
#1652 [14:29] <sugoi> db_: you found a server online, and you want to join it?
#1653 [14:30] <GreyVulpine> I think perhaps you're confusing the multiplayer addresses found on the classic page at http://www.minecraft.net/classic/list -- those can't be used in the minecraft.exe launcher
#1654 [14:31] <db_> ok
#1655 [14:32] <db_> thats what i was wondering but is there other servers out there that use the new program or am i just barking up the wrong tree?
#1656 [14:32] <sugoi> ??> db_ smp/servers
#1657 [14:32] <VoxelHead> db_: (smp/servers) There currently is no master list of all SMP servers. Fan-made indexes include http://minestatus.net/ - http://www.mcserverlist.net/ - http://www.reddit.com/r/mcservers - http://minecraftservers.net/ - http://minecraft.dk/mcserverlist/
#1658 [14:32] <VoxelHead> db_: (smp/servers) You can also find a list at the MC forums at http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewforum.php?f=1025. Also, try the #smp channel.
#1659 [14:32] <sugoi> db_: also, you can start your own server if you like
#1660 [14:33] <sugoi> GreyVulpine: nice catch, btw -- i was way off
#1661 [14:33] <GreyVulpine> Lucky guess really.
#1662 [14:33] <db_> ok i was just wondering ... as for starting my own server lol im planning...
#1663 [14:33] <db_> i just need to get a few good machines
#1664 [14:34] <sugoi> db_: :)
#1665 [14:34] <sugoi> one is enough
#1666 [14:34] <sugoi> one server machine*
#1667 [14:35] <db_> yeah i know lol right now im useing a Dell precision 450 with a dieing IDE
#1668 [14:37] <db_> as for adding servers to my list of i was just trying to get a feel of it
#1669 [14:38] <db_> thanks for the help ;]
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#1671 [14:50] <MK> can you bonemeal a mushroom into a huge mushroom on mycelium? Or only dirt?
#1672 [14:51] <sugoi> MK: 1. great question, 2. i dont know what happens, try it, and 3. what do you mean "only dirt?" ?
#1673 [14:51] <MK> I know they grow on dirt or grass, was wondering if they would do so on other blocks
#1674 [14:51] <sugoi> aaah
#1675 [14:51] <sugoi> i see what you mean
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#1678 [15:06] <MK> yes, it will grow on mycelium :P
#1679 [15:07] <sugoi> well that's good
#1680 [15:08] <MK> started a creative map. Spawned just a few meters away from a village!
#1681 [15:08] <sugoi> hah
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#1684 [15:19] <MK> Hmm. It seems huge mushrooms need 1 block clearance above the selected height to grow. If I put a block 7 blocks above the mushroom, it will only successfully grow at 5 blocks tall, not in the 6 tall variant.
#1685 [15:20] <MK> I shall have to note that in the wiki
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#1687 [15:26] <sugoi> MK: indeed do
#1688 [15:26] <MK> That is quite useful
#1689 [15:26] <MK> you can force the brown ones to all grow the same height
#1690 [15:26] * MK edit
#1690 [15:26] <sugoi> MK: good point
#1691 [15:27] <sugoi> trees just cut, right?
#1692 [15:27] <MK> I haven't checked yet, but I will do lots of testing with trees
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#1698 [15:46] <Xbox789> Hi, I need help with my minecraft.
#1699 [15:46] <Xbox789> My new computer currently cant run minecraft without it being on the lowest settings possible, and even that is laggy.
#1700 [15:46] <Xbox789> Is there anyway you can help?
#1701 [15:46] <MK> What are your system specs?
#1702 [15:47] <Xbox789> One sec
#1703 [15:47] <sugoi> Xbox789: it is possible your gpu isn't being used for the game
#1704 [15:47] <sugoi> Xbox789: amd or nvidia?
#1705 [15:49] <Xbox789> Dell Inspiron 530S Windows Vista Intel Core 2 Duo CPU E4500 2.20Ghz 2.00 GB RAM 32 bit operating system
#1706 [15:50] <Xbox789> I have no clue what graphics card this is.
#1707 [15:50] <Xbox789> Oh, and service pack 2
#1708 [15:51] <GreyVulpine> Could you go to your start menu, in the search bar, type in: dxdiag
#1709 [15:51] <GreyVulpine> At the directx diagnostic window, go to the display tab. Tell us the graphics card's name
#1710 [15:52] <Xbox789> Intel R G33/G31 Express Chipset Family
#1711 [15:52] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, that would be why minecraft isn't running too well. It's an integrated intel video chipset.
#1712 [15:53] <GreyVulpine> Nothing you can really do about that, other than to turn your minecraft detail level down or try a fan-made mod like optifine
#1713 [15:53] <Xbox789> Last time, on my old computer, they lead me to a Nividia graphics card driver or something.
#1714 [15:53] <GreyVulpine> You don't have an nvidia card, according to directx there.
#1715 [15:53] <Xbox789> Yeah.
#1716 [15:54] <Xbox789> Its funny how my 8 year old computer is better than this one.
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#1718 [15:55] <GreyVulpine> Discrete video cards are generally better than integrated ones.
#1719 [15:56] <Xbox789> Would getting a better driver help?
#1720 [15:56] * Monkeys sends a flock of babby chickuns to violently detatch everyone's eyeballs.
#1720 [15:56] <sugoi> Xbox789: help, sure, resolve the fps, prolly not noticeably
#1721 [15:56] <sugoi> aah, babby chickens!!
#1722 [15:57] <Xbox789> Anything better than 5 FPS.
#1723 [15:57] <sugoi> sure, 6 or 7
#1724 [15:57] <sugoi> :)
#1725 [15:57] <sugoi> Xbox789: i dunno, it doesn't hurt to try
#1726 [15:57] <GreyVulpine> While looking straight up, or down
#1727 [15:57] <Monkeys> Anyone wants to play some moincorft with me? c:
#1728 [15:58] <Monkeys> Or come check my new crib out.
#1729 [15:58] <Xbox789> Looking up the FPS is ok, looking down is worse, and in the middle is the worst
#1730 [15:58] <db_> monkeys, its funnier to throw bricks at people
#1731 [15:58] <Monkeys> Also, are there furniture items now?
#1732 [15:58] <db_> lol
#1733 [15:58] <GreyVulpine> Monkeys - Nope
#1734 [15:58] <Monkeys> Wow, really? They add all those villages, two new worlds/realms/whatever, enchanting and brewing but they can't be arsed to make furniture?
#1735 [15:59] * Monkeys grumbles.
#1735 [15:59] <Eddie> Or fix bugs
#1736 [15:59] * Eddie runs away
#1736 [15:59] <Monkeys> What bugs
#1737 [15:59] <Xbox789> Thanks anyway.
#1738 [15:59] <Eddie> the ones in my room.
#1739 [15:59] <Monkeys> The only bug I encountered is the invisible trees which is fixed with the last update :D
#1740 [16:01] * db_ le sigh
#1740 [16:02] <Monkeys> le reddit narwhal bacons at midnight XDDDDDD
#1741 [16:03] <db_> man
#1742 [16:03] <db_> this is three levels of suck right about now
#1743 [16:05] <sugoi> db_: ?
#1744 [16:05] <db_> video card is 'ok' but im not sure if the problem is video card, motherboard, hard drive controler, memory or OS
#1745 [16:07] <db_> currently useing NVIDIA Quadro FX 3000
#1746 [16:08] <db_> 2048MB RAM
#1747 [16:09] <db_> im going to try something e;lse for a while
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#1750 [16:13] <Monkeys> So if I have a server running 1.1-R4, how can I connect to it?
#1751 [16:14] <Monkeys> Oh nvm, spoutcraft let me do that. :D
#1752 [16:14] <Morrolan> Yep, Spoutcraft or MCNostalgia offer the possibility of downgrading.
#1753 [16:15] <Monkeys> Okay
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#1755 [16:21] <EyesIsMine> lolspout
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#1757 [16:37] <Magix> hmm, what's the level cap in minecraft
#1758 [16:38] <Magix> I thought it was 50 but I went over
#1759 [16:38] <Kealper> i've had over 1000 before
#1760 [16:38] <sugoi> Magix: i .. ^
#1761 [16:38] <Magix> so there's no level cap, just max enchantment level cap?
#1762 [16:39] <DiskDaemon> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Experience#Level_Cap.3F
#1763 [16:43] * GreyVulpine hehs and ninja'd some game codes from the forums on steamgifts
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#1767 [16:59] <Monkeys> Diamond pickaxe of Unbreaking II and efficiency I
#1768 [16:59] <Monkeys> Is that good? :'D
#1769 [16:59] <sugoi> :)
#1770 [17:00] <Monkeys> Is that a yes?
#1771 [17:00] <sugoi> sure
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#1773 [17:00] <sugoi> what is "good"?
#1774 [17:01] <iamweirdie> anybody here use magic launcher by sp614x?
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#1776 [17:06] <GreyVulpine> We provide no support for third party launchers here
#1777 [17:06] <iamweirdie> oh
#1778 [17:06] <iamweirdie> sorry
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#1780 [17:12] <MK> What is the screenshot button?
#1781 [17:13] <GreyVulpine> F2 in minecraft
#1782 [17:13] <sugoi> MK: f
#1783 [17:13] <sugoi> ^ lost to grey
#1784 [17:13] <MK> Thank you.
#1785 [17:13] * GreyVulpine winks
#1785 [17:13] <sugoi> ;welcome
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#1787 [17:14] <MK> Haha, just in time. I took a perfect screenshot, immediately after, it starts raining
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#1790 [17:34] <sugoi> GreyVulpine: you've said over 65400 things in this channel
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#1792 [17:35] <GreyVulpine> Pfft
#1793 [17:35] <GreyVulpine> http://statistics.minecraftirc.net/minecrafthelp.html
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#1795 [17:38] <MK> ok I edited the page and added a picture: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/File:Huge_mushroom_growth.png
#1796 [17:38] <Nathan2055> Now available to help.
#1797 [17:40] <sugoi> MK: nice
#1798 [17:41] <sugoi> GreyVulpine: either that counts joins/nicks/aliases/quits, or that has data from before 6/2/2011
#1799 [17:41] <GreyVulpine> Has data from before 6/2
#1800 [17:42] <sugoi> pft, well http://sbnc.khobbits.co.uk/log/logs/old/minecrafthelp just dropped all of 2011 for whatever reason, and my last 'sync' only found data to 6/2/2011
#1801 [17:43] <sugoi> s/$url/$url.htm/ ^
#1802 [17:44] <GreyVulpine> I've got logs going back to january-ish on this machine, but it's about 150 megs
#1803 [17:44] <sugoi> the raw html from that service to 6/2/2011 was 159MB
#1804 [17:44] <sugoi> tho, pruned was only 95MB
#1805 [17:45] <sugoi> anyways, i don't care for more than what i have
#1806 [17:45] <sugoi> i just like to setup my own searches when i want them
#1807 [17:45] <sugoi> and 6/2 is good enough, esp. bc even that far back things are too outdated to mean anything
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#1809 [17:47] <Nathan2055> sugoi: There's chat logs?
#1810 [17:48] <sugoi> Nathan2055: yes, online at http://sbnc.khobbits.co.uk/log/logs/minecrafthelp.htm -and many of us keep our own logs to boot
#1811 [17:48] <Nathan2055> sugoi: Nice.
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#1813 [17:49] <Nathan2055> sugoi: Awesome. That log just updated with "sugoi: Nice."
#1814 [17:49] <GreyVulpine> Probably all the ops here keep logs, and most of the voices
#1815 [17:49] <Nathan2055> GreyVulpine: How do they do that?
#1816 [17:50] <sugoi> Nathan2055: i use irssi (irc chat client)
#1817 [17:50] <GreyVulpine> Do what?
#1818 [17:50] <sugoi> it has a built in log feature
#1819 [17:50] <Nathan2055> sugoi: What does?
#1820 [17:50] <sugoi> irssi
#1821 [17:50] <GreyVulpine> Many IRC clients have a logging feature
#1822 [17:50] <Nathan2055> GreyVulpine: Keep logs.
#1823 [17:50] <GreyVulpine> irssi is an example of an IRC client
#1824 [17:50] <Nathan2055> Oh...
#1825 [17:50] <sugoi> ?? irc
#1826 [17:50] <VoxelHead> irc: For IRC help, you should ask in the channel #help - you can get there using the command "/join #help"
#1827 [17:50] <VoxelHead> irc: If you can't talk in #minecraft ("Cannot send to channel") you must register your IRC nickname, using the command "/msg NickServ REGISTER password email". Remember to use a valid email. Go to #help if you need further assistance with this
#1828 [17:50] <sugoi> hehe, i like that one
#1829 [17:50] * Toagac_ [Toagac_@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#1830 [17:50] <sugoi> oh, no, wrong one
#1831 [17:51] <sugoi> ?? irc/channel
#1832 [17:51] <VoxelHead> irc/channel: You're in one.
#1833 [17:51] <sugoi> there it is
#1834 [17:51] <Nathan2055> sugoi & GreyVulpine: I really need a good IRC client.
#1835 [17:51] <GreyVulpine> What OS are you on?
#1836 [17:51] * Nathan2055 regrets thinking Mibbit was a good idea..
#1836 [17:52] <GreyVulpine> Mibbit is never a good idea
#1837 [17:52] <Nathan2055> GreyVulpine: WinXP
#1838 [17:52] <GreyVulpine> Then http://www.xchat-wdk.org/home/downloads
#1839 [17:53] <Nathan2055> GreyVulpine: Wikipedia says it's shareware.
#1840 [17:53] <Nathan2055> Is that true?
#1841 [17:53] <GreyVulpine> Not xchat-wdk
#1842 [17:53] <GreyVulpine> xchat for windows is
#1843 [17:53] <sugoi> Nathan2055: irssi is a bit much for most, even for me - but i ONLY come on irc remotely over ssh (and some tunnels and other layers), and irssi is command line interfaced
#1844 [17:54] <sugoi> wdk picks up the old free one?
#1845 [17:54] <sugoi> i used to use xchat ages ago
#1846 [17:54] <GreyVulpine> wdk is the free one
#1847 [17:54] <GreyVulpine> http://www.xchat-wdk.org/home/comparison
#1848 [17:55] * GreyVulpine uses mIRC himself, and has a portable version of xchat-wdk when he takes his laptop
#1848 [17:55] * Nathan2055 wonders who thought it was a good idea to make a open-source program shareware and keep it open-source
#1848 [17:55] <GreyVulpine> or a usb drive
#1849 [17:56] <sugoi> Nathan2055: some projects are open source, but you pay for an 'installer' version
#1850 [17:56] <Nathan2055> GreyVulpine: Is Mirc shareware? I've heard yes and nos.
#1851 [17:56] <sugoi> or, you get adware with the installer version
#1852 [17:56] <GreyVulpine> mIRC is shareware, yes
#1853 [17:56] <GreyVulpine> More specifically, it's nagware until you pay for it
#1854 [17:57] <Nathan2055> GreyVulpine: Oh.
#1855 [17:57] <Nathan2055> Nagware,
#1856 [17:57] <Nathan2055> Yes, I've seen that before.
#1857 [17:57] <Nathan2055> Adobe once distributed a free image program,
#1858 [17:58] <Nathan2055> but it required you to fill out a registration form after x number of days.
#1859 [17:58] <Nathan2055> It was still free, but annoying.
#1860 [17:58] * olartis [olartis@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#1861 [17:59] <olartis> hello
#1862 [17:59] <Nathan2055> Howdy!
#1863 [18:00] <olartis> i seem to have a problem, i havn't had much luck finding an answer on google or minecraft forums
#1864 [18:00] <Nathan2055> What is the problem?
#1865 [18:00] <Monkeys> Anyone know of some good priced web hosting?
#1866 [18:00] <sugoi> Monkeys: a couple ppl in this forum work for allgamers.net
#1867 [18:00] <olartis> well i tamed an ocelot in SSP and it does nothing but sit where i tamed it.
#1868 [18:00] <sugoi> they host, and have minecraft options
#1869 [18:00] <Monkeys> I don't want minecraft hosting, I need web hosting for a customer.
#1870 [18:01] <olartis> i read that taming an ocelot in smp would fix it, but it doesn't
#1871 [18:01] <sugoi> well...then why ask here? :)
#1872 [18:01] <Monkeys> Also allgamers.net is for sale. :P
#1873 [18:01] <Monkeys> Because why not!
#1874 [18:01] <sugoi> Monkeys: -> #minecrafthelp
#1875 [18:01] <Nathan2055> olartis: Did you right-click the ocelot once you tamed it?
#1876 [18:02] * Monkeys sends a flock of angry eye-eating babby chickens after sugoi. >:(
#1876 [18:02] <Nathan2055> Monkeys: Can't help you there. Anyone with Allgamers online?
#1877 [18:02] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#1878 [18:02] * GreyVulpine pokes Scott, AG_Clinton
#1878 [18:02] <olartis> while holding what? if i'm holding a fish it just keeps feeding it fish =D
#1879 [18:02] <Scott> allgamer.net*
#1880 [18:02] <Nathan2055> olartis: Try your hand.
#1881 [18:02] <Scott> Why do you guys keep saying allgamers? lol
#1882 [18:02] <olartis> and i kinda don't want to beat the crap outta my cat.
#1883 [18:03] <olartis> okay, i'll give it a shot
#1884 [18:03] <GreyVulpine> Because we love you
#1885 [18:03] <olartis> thanks
#1886 [18:03] <Nathan2055> olartis: RIGHT-click
#1887 [18:03] <sugoi> Scott: bc i dont pay for hosting :/
#1888 [18:03] <Scott> Nathan2055: I work at AllGamer, LLC
#1889 [18:03] <Nathan2055> Scott: Calm down.
#1890 [18:03] <Scott> I am calm.
#1891 [18:03] <Nathan2055> Scott: Monkey wants your help.
#1892 [18:03] <Monkeys> What
#1893 [18:03] <Monkeys> No I don't ;_;
#1894 [18:03] <Nathan2055> *Monkeys
#1895 [18:04] <olartis> works. i feel dumb. thanks for the help
#1896 [18:04] <Nathan2055> olartis: Any time.
#1897 [18:04] <Nathan2055> Monkeys: Do you want Minecraft server hosting?
#1898 [18:04] <GreyVulpine> Monkeys - You were looking for a reliable hoster? You've got one
#1899 [18:05] <Monkeys> No Nathan2055
#1900 [18:05] <Monkeys> Yes GreyBot
#1901 [18:05] <Monkeys> GreyVulpine*
#1902 [18:05] <Nathan2055> Monkeys: What do you want?
#1903 [18:05] <GreyVulpine> Huh?
#1904 [18:05] <Nathan2055> If it's not Minecraft hosting?
#1905 [18:05] <Scott> I am beyond confused.
#1906 [18:05] <GreyVulpine> As am I
#1907 [18:06] <Nathan2055> Me three.
#1908 [18:06] <Monkeys> I make websites for a living
#1909 [18:06] <Monkeys> A customer asked me which web hosting he should buy to host it on
#1910 [18:06] <Monkeys> My question isn't Minecraft related
#1911 [18:06] <Nathan2055> Monkeys: Oh. This is Minecraft help only.
#1912 [18:06] <Monkeys> But since I usually don't buy web hosting I'm not very knowledgable that's all
#1913 [18:06] <Monkeys> I know
#1914 [18:06] <Monkeys> My bad
#1915 [18:06] * Nathan2055 whispers GoDaddy
#1915 [18:06] <GreyVulpine> Bleh, Godaddy.
#1916 [18:06] <Nathan2055> It's web hosting.
#1917 [18:06] <Nathan2055> And we use it.
#1918 [18:07] <Nathan2055> And it works.
#1919 [18:07] <Nathan2055> All you really want in a hoster.
#1920 [18:07] <Scott> Well we offer webhosting.
#1921 [18:07] <Scott> But it's not our speciality.
#1922 [18:07] <Nathan2055> Monkeys: Try somewhere else. We really only answer Minecraft related questions here.
#1923 [18:08] <Scott> It's offered as a convenience to customers who use our other services.
#1924 [18:08] <Scott> The webhosting market is too saturated.
#1925 [18:08] <GreyVulpine> We mainly support minecraft here, but I don't mind other questions, as long as it's not totally off base.
#1926 [18:09] <Monkeys> Guys, I said sorry already. D: Moving on?
#1927 [18:09] <Nathan2055> GreyVulpine: I don't either.
#1928 [18:09] <sugoi> i think it's best to keep on topic when ppl join with on-topic questions
#1929 [18:09] <GreyVulpine> How do I change the oil in my 2010 Chevy Tahoe would not be a subject suitable for this channel.
#1930 [18:09] <AG_Clinton> No way I'd ever use godaddy.
#1931 [18:09] <Scott> You take it for a ford dealership and replace it, duh.
#1932 [18:09] <Scott> it to a*
#1933 [18:10] * GreyVulpine snrks
#1933 [18:10] <Nathan2055> I will answer questions about mods and stuff if the channel isn't being flooded with questions.
#1934 [18:11] <Nathan2055> However, keep it on-topic most of the time. Vanilla Minecraft only.
#1935 [18:11] <sugoi> ;check mc.minecraftirc.net
#1936 [18:11] <WugBot> mc.minecraftirc.net:25565 seems to host a minecraft server: The Official Minecraft IRC Server (0/50)
#1937 [18:11] <sugoi> how come no one is ever on that ^ ?
#1938 [18:11] <Monkeys> ;check 69.162.97.98
#1939 [18:12] <Monkeys> :(
#1940 [18:12] <WugBot> Unable to connect to address: 69.162.97.98:25565 (Timed out)
#1941 [18:12] <Monkeys> Oh
#1942 [18:12] <GreyVulpine> Because it hasn't been updated to 1.2.3 yet
#1943 [18:12] <sugoi> what is it?
#1944 [18:12] <Nathan2055> sugoi: I didn't know it existed.
#1945 [18:12] <GreyVulpine> And nobody here wants to get off their fat butt and do it
#1946 [18:12] <GreyVulpine> Speaking of, *pokes scott*
#1947 [18:12] <GreyVulpine> You busy?
#1948 [18:12] <Nathan2055> Me?
#1949 [18:12] <GreyVulpine> No, not you
#1950 [18:12] <sugoi> Nathan2055: no, scott
#1951 [18:12] <Nathan2055> Oh.
#1952 [18:13] <sugoi> Nathan2055: 'fat butt' ^
#1953 [18:13] * Nathan2055 cleared his chat
#1953 [18:13] <Nathan2055> It was getting long,.
#1954 [18:14] <sugoi> GreyVulpine: but do you know the current version?
#1955 [18:14] <sugoi> also
#1956 [18:14] <sugoi> is there a ;check to show us versions?
#1957 [18:14] <Nathan2055> For servers>
#1958 [18:14] <Nathan2055> *?
#1959 [18:14] <sugoi> aye
#1960 [18:15] <Nathan2055> I don't really use WugBot, so I don't know.
#1961 [18:15] <Nathan2055> Does WugBot have an index?
#1962 [18:15] <GreyVulpine> No, ;check doesn't show versions
#1963 [18:18] <Nathan2055> GreyVulpine: Does WugBot have an index?
#1964 [18:18] <sugoi> Nathan2055: that that i've ever seen someone use, i was compiling a list of all used nodes
#1965 [18:18] <GreyVulpine> No it doesn't
#1966 [18:19] <Nathan2055> sugoi: What are you talking about?
#1967 [18:20] <sugoi> i forgot the word 'not'
#1968 [18:20] <Nathan2055> sugoi: Ah.
#1969 [18:20] * Nathan2055 idles and waits
#1969 [18:20] <sugoi> ha
#1970 [18:21] <sugoi> it takes time, and i am working .. mostly
#1971 [18:21] <Nathan2055> Wug needs to make one.
#1972 [18:21] <GreyVulpine> Are you looking for any specific command?
#1973 [18:21] <sugoi> nope, i just want to know all the expandable text
#1974 [18:22] <Nathan2055> I just want to know all the factoids.
#1975 [18:22] <Nathan2055> So I can use it like I do VoxelHead.
#1976 [18:23] <Nathan2055> I'm going to drop Wug a memo asking him about it.
#1977 [18:23] <GreyVulpine> wug knows about it
#1978 [18:23] <Nathan2055> About the index?
#1979 [18:23] <GreyVulpine> sugoi's already asked, Wug's got it on his to-do list
#1980 [18:24] <MK> updated the image to be more clear. http://www.minecraftwiki.net/images/3/3d/Huge_mushroom_growth.png
#1981 [18:24] * Nathan2055 half-recalls that conversation.
#1981 [18:25] <Nathan2055> MK: What image?
#1982 [18:25] <sugoi> MK: ok that is just awesome
#1983 [18:25] <sugoi> bravo :)
#1984 [18:25] <MK> :D
#1985 [18:25] <Nathan2055> You sized mushrooms!
#1986 [18:25] <Nathan2055> AWESOME!!!
#1987 [18:27] * Nathan2055 bookmarks that image
#1987 [18:29] <Nathan2055> MK: You should post that to the Huge Mushroom page: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Huge_Mushrooms
#1988 [18:29] <sugoi> he did
#1989 [18:30] <Nathan2055> sugoi & MK: Whoops. Missed the image on the page.
#1990 [18:31] <Nathan2055> On a different note, OptiFine just updated for 1.2.x.
#1991 [18:31] <MK> :D
#1992 [18:34] * Jackson413 [Jackson413@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
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#1994 [18:36] <MrMoss> Hello i need help because my account is didn´t work
#1995 [18:37] <GreyVulpine> Could you elaborate? What exactly happens?
#1996 [18:37] <Nathan2055> Explain.
#1997 [18:37] <MrMoss> ok
#1998 [18:38] <MrMoss> i buyed a key it works . and today my Premium acc is disable.
#1999 [18:38] <MrMoss> why
#2000 [18:38] <GreyVulpine> Did you buy the key from minecraft.net or another site?
#2001 [18:38] <MrMoss> what was the reason.
#2002 [18:38] <Nathan2055> ?? scam
#2003 [18:38] <VoxelHead> scam: If you bought from or were given a gift code that was bought from anywhere but minecraft.net it's a scam. Mojang does not give out discounts for purchasing gift codes so there's absolutely no profit to be made.
#2004 [18:38] <VoxelHead> scam: DO NOT purchase minecraft from any site other than minecraft.net, under any circumstances, period.
#2005 [18:39] <Nathan2055> That's the reason.
#2006 [18:39] <Nathan2055> Did you buy it from minecraft.net?
#2007 [18:39] <MrMoss> ;(
#2008 [18:39] <Nathan2055> Uh oh.
#2009 [18:39] <MrMoss> no by cd-keys.at
#2010 [18:39] <MrMoss> at
#2011 [18:39] <MrMoss> *
#2012 [18:39] <MrMoss> it works 1 month
#2013 [18:39] <GreyVulpine> Then you were taken advantage of. Contact the seller or your bank, get your money back
#2014 [18:39] <Nathan2055> For how much?
#2015 [18:40] <MrMoss> 20 Euro
#2016 [18:40] <Nathan2055> Get your money back, do as GreyVulpine said.
#2017 [18:40] <Nathan2055> Minecraft itself costs 20 euros for a lifetime membership.
#2018 [18:41] <MrMoss> it is not so easy :( Cd-Keys.at buyd Minecraftkeys and other
#2019 [18:41] <sugoi> MrMoss: not so easy? your bank will help
#2020 [18:42] <sugoi> just contact them - report the fraud
#2021 [18:42] <Nathan2055> MrMoss: How did you pay?
#2022 [18:42] <Nathan2055> PayPal and a credit card company will help you if you call them.
#2023 [18:42] * andrewkm [andrewkm@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#2024 [18:42] <MrMoss> Paysafecard
#2025 [18:43] <Nathan2055> I've never heard of that.
#2026 [18:43] <Nathan2055> GreyVulpine?
#2027 [18:43] <MrMoss> mom*
#2028 [18:43] <Nathan2055> Here, "Paysafecard is an electronic payment method for predominantly online shopping and is based on a pre-pay system." per Wikipedia.
#2029 [18:44] <Nathan2055> MrMoss: Did you say it was your mom's card?
#2030 [18:44] <MrMoss> i want buy here at minecraft.net but minecraft hasn´t paysafe
#2031 [18:45] <Nathan2055> No, they only take,
#2032 [18:45] <MrMoss> it´s like a bill with a code.
#2033 [18:45] <MrMoss> not bank-card
#2034 [18:45] <Nathan2055> Minecraft only takes credit cards.
#2035 [18:45] * [L] [[L]@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#2036 [18:45] <Nathan2055> MrMoss: I just read the Wikipedia article.
#2037 [18:46] <MrMoss> :) its okay
#2038 [18:46] <Nathan2055> There's nothing I can say to do but contact the seller.
#2039 [18:46] <Nathan2055> You will have to pay 20 euros via credit card to get the real Minecraft from Minecraft.net.
#2040 [18:46] <MrMoss> Yes i do it ;)
#2041 [18:46] <Nathan2055> Okay.
#2042 [18:47] <Nathan2055> Come again if you need any more help.
#2043 [18:47] <MrMoss> thx for your help :)
#2044 [18:47] <Nathan2055> Any time!
#2045 [18:47] <Nathan2055> See you!
#2046 [18:47] <MrMoss> ciao
#2047 [18:47] <MrMoss> ciao
#2048 [18:48] * Monkeys [Monkeys@notlogged] has left #minecrafthelp
#2049 [18:55] <Opeth|Zzz> !paid Willikesart
#2050 [18:56] <Nathan2055> !help
#2051 [18:57] <Nathan2055> Another bot to learn...
#2052 [18:57] <GreyVulpine> We have many bots here.
#2053 [18:57] <Nathan2055> How many?
#2054 [18:57] <GreyVulpine> Too many
#2055 [18:58] <GreyVulpine> I think Sugoi's a bot, but I can't be sure.
#2056 [18:58] * VoxelHead kicked Whisk from #minecrafthelp (Reason: hisk :Banned: nick flood)
#2057 [18:58] * sugoi is a bot
#2057 [18:59] <GreyVulpine> Well, that proves it then
#2058 [18:59] * Whisk [Whisk@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#2059 [18:59] * VoxelHead kicked Whisk from #minecrafthelp (Reason: hisk :Banned: nick flood)
#2060 [18:59] * GreyVulpine facepalms
#2060 [18:59] <sugoi> heh
#2061 [19:00] * sugoi looks up the last time whisk actualy said anything
#2061 [19:00] <Nathan2055> He just keeps going away and coming back.
#2062 [19:00] <Nathan2055> And why is VoxelHead gone banning mad all of a sudden?
#2063 [19:01] <GreyVulpine> frequent nick changes can trigger the spam flood protection
#2064 [19:01] * Whisk [Whisk@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
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#2067 [19:02] * FearFree [FearFree@notlogged] has left #minecrafthelp
#2068 [19:02] <GreyVulpine> Whisk did something like 8 nick changes in the past 15 minutes
#2069 [19:02] <Whisk> Sorry about that
#2070 [19:02] <Whisk> internet problems
#2071 [19:02] * GreyVulpine nods
#2071 [19:03] <Whisk> stupid tethering
#2072 [19:03] <Nathan2055> Why does it have a weird IP?
#2073 [19:03] <Whisk> me?
#2074 [19:03] <Nathan2055> Yeah.
#2075 [19:03] <Whisk> because i like that as my hostmask lol
#2076 [19:03] <Whisk> its on a BNC
#2077 [19:03] <Nathan2055> And why did you keep changing your nick.
#2078 [19:03] <Whisk> Did you not listen?
#2079 [19:04] * Geo [Geo@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#2080 [19:04] <Whisk> Internet problems with my tether
#2081 [19:04] <GreyVulpine> It's a BNC, a bouncer.
#2082 [19:04] <Whisk> ^
#2083 [19:04] <Whisk> ^
#2084 [19:04] * Geo [Geo@notlogged] has left #minecrafthelp
#2085 [19:04] <Nathan2055> OK, I don't understand that (I don't know very much about IRC).
#2086 [19:04] <sugoi> Whisk: you've said 13 things in here since 6-2-2011, and changed your nick 271 times
#2087 [19:04] <sugoi> now, 14
#2088 [19:04] <Whisk> lol
#2089 [19:05] <Nathan2055> WHAT?!?!
#2090 [19:05] <sugoi> Whisk: i really would like you to fix that :)
#2091 [19:05] <GreyVulpine> Instead of connecting directly to an IRC server, you connect to a middleman. That middleman can be set up as a sort of proxy between your computer and the IRC server you want to maintain a connection in
#2092 [19:05] <Nathan2055> GreyVulpine: Ah.
#2093 [19:05] <GreyVulpine> That bouncer can be set up to set your nick to _away, when you're not actively connected to it
#2094 [19:06] * NovaStorm [NovaStorm@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#2095 [19:06] <Nathan2055> Whisk: Why do you maintain connected to a server and keep changing your nick if you don't talk on it?
#2096 [19:06] <Whisk> As a host, i idle in most of the major minecraft releated channels
#2097 [19:06] <NovaStorm> can i get help with mods here?
#2098 [19:06] <Whisk> ?
#2099 [19:06] <Whisk> I am regurally on IRC
#2100 [19:06] <NovaStorm> can I?
#2101 [19:06] <Whisk> regularly*
#2102 [19:06] <sugoi> NovaStorm: some here might be of help, but note that #bukkit and #risucraft would be better equipped
#2103 [19:06] <NovaStorm> thanks bro
#2104 [19:06] <NovaStorm> i needed modloader help
#2105 [19:07] <Nathan2055> Whisk: You have said 14 things in the last year.
#2106 [19:07] <sugoi> on this channel
#2107 [19:07] <Nathan2055> NovaStorm: What's your question?
#2108 [19:07] <Whisk> Nathan2055 in this channel
#2109 [19:07] * fault [fault@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#2110 [19:07] <sugoi> Nathan2055: he left
#2111 [19:07] <fault> ;check
#2112 [19:07] <WugBot> s0.barwen.ch:25565 is accepting connections.
#2113 [19:07] <GreyVulpine> Easy there guys. There's plenty of people that idlee here
#2114 [19:07] <fault> ;check zchr.dyndns.org
#2115 [19:07] <WugBot> zchr.dyndns.org:25565 seems to host a minecraft server: A Minecraft Server (0/20)
#2116 [19:07] <Whisk> As an Op in #McMyAdmin, i say a lot every day on this network
#2117 [19:08] * Whisk agrees with Grey
#2117 [19:08] <sugoi> indeed, lots of idlers, just saying Whisk woulc do the polite thing and fix his idle-name-issue
#2118 [19:08] <Whisk> And plenty of people who have internet and BNC problems
#2119 [19:08] <sugoi> could*
#2120 [19:08] <Nathan2055> I'm calm, I'm just wondering why he does it?
#2121 [19:08] * Whisk sighs
#2121 [19:08] <GreyVulpine> Many people use bouncers, whisk isn't unique in this aspect
#2122 [19:08] <Nathan2055> (Of course, there are people like think who don't say anything.)
#2123 [19:09] <Nathan2055> Never mind.
#2124 [19:09] <GreyVulpine> It's just his bouncer is set up to change his nick to away, and that his connection was wonky today
#2125 [19:09] <GreyVulpine> Give him a little slack.
#2126 [19:09] <Nathan2055> Okay, okay.
#2127 [19:09] * Whisk thanks GreyVulpine
#2127 [19:09] <Nathan2055> Here, I need to write an email.
#2128 [19:09] * Nathan2055 is now away.
#2128 [19:10] * Whisk feels like that was just meant to piss me off :P
#2128 [19:10] <Nathan2055> Hey, I was just wondering why?
#2129 [19:10] <GreyVulpine> Nathan2055 - Why what?
#2130 [19:11] <Whisk> He wanted to know why I idled in here
#2131 [19:11] <Nathan2055> Yes.
#2132 [19:11] <Whisk> He was under the impression I idled in the network in total
#2133 [19:11] <Nathan2055> Ugh, my away is annoying.
#2134 [19:11] <Nathan2055> Whisk: Yes, yes I was.
#2135 [19:11] <Nathan2055> Here, I'll be back later.
#2136 [19:11] <Nathan2055> See you soon
#2137 [19:11] <Whisk> Though, i idle in THIS channel, not the whole network
#2138 [19:12] <GreyVulpine> Let me give you an idea of the channels I idle in.
#2139 [19:12] <GreyVulpine> http://i.imgur.com/Ej6Oz.png
#2140 [19:12] <GreyVulpine> This is my IRC client at any given time.
#2141 [19:13] <GreyVulpine> Notice the boxes along the right? Each of those are channels (or a status window for a network). People like myself idle in quite a few channels.
#2142 [19:13] <Whisk> I myself idle in 14 channels on esper alone
#2143 [19:13] <GreyVulpine> It's IRC. Idling is not a new concept.
#2144 [19:13] <Whisk> quakenet another 9
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#2146 [19:16] <Nathan2055> That was easier than I thought. :P
#2147 [19:16] <Nathan2055> Let me try something...
#2148 [19:16] <fault> ;check zchr.dyndns.org
#2149 [19:16] <WugBot> zchr.dyndns.org:25565 is accepting connections.
#2150 [19:16] <Nathan2055> Back.
#2151 [19:17] <Nathan2055> Okay, Mibbit has some neat away features.
#2152 [19:17] <Nathan2055> But it's still not a good irc client.
#2153 [19:17] <Nathan2055> On-topic: Fault, what are you doing?
#2154 [19:17] <Whisk> hur dur
#2155 [19:17] <Whisk> Use xchat-wdk or mirc
#2156 [19:17] <Nathan2055> I know.
#2157 [19:18] <Nathan2055> GreyVulpine and sugoi had a discussion about that an hour ago.
#2158 [19:18] <Nathan2055> I think I will try xchat-wdk sometime soon.
#2159 [19:18] <Nathan2055> Fault?
#2160 [19:18] <Nathan2055> GreyVulpine: What is fault doing?
#2161 [19:18] <Whisk> lord my connection is shitty
#2162 [19:19] * GreyVulpine shrugs
#2162 [19:19] <Nathan2055> He keeps checking that one IP.
#2163 [19:19] <Nathan2055> Weird.
#2164 [19:19] <Whisk> probably checking to see if his portforward succeded
#2165 [19:19] <Nathan2055> Oh, that would make since.
#2166 [19:20] * Whisk is going to reconnect and hopes it doesnt create flame
#2166 [19:20] <Nathan2055> Hey!
#2167 [19:21] <Nathan2055> I was just wondering why you idled.
#2168 [19:21] * Nathan2055 facepalms
#2168 [19:22] <GreyVulpine> <@GreyVulpine> http://i.imgur.com/Ej6Oz.png
#2169 [19:22] <GreyVulpine> <@GreyVulpine> This is my IRC client at any given time.
#2170 [19:22] <GreyVulpine> <@GreyVulpine> Notice the boxes along the right? Each of those are channels (or a status window for a network). People like myself idle in quite a few channels.
#2171 [19:22] <GreyVulpine> <@GreyVulpine> It's IRC. Idling is not a new concept.
#2172 [19:23] <Nathan2055> Huh.
#2173 [19:23] <Nathan2055> Okay.
#2174 [19:23] <Nathan2055> Sorry if I flamed about idling earlier.
#2175 [19:23] <Nathan2055> By the way, is that XChat?
#2176 [19:23] <GreyVulpine> mIRC
#2177 [19:23] <GreyVulpine> I can't use xchat for more than just a few channels.
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#2179 [19:24] <GreyVulpine> I'm also familiar with mIRC's built in scripting language.
#2180 [19:24] <Nathan2055> I only connect to two channels at most, is XChat better?
#2181 [19:24] <GreyVulpine> Probably
#2182 [19:25] <GreyVulpine> xchat will do everything you expect an IRC client to do.
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#2184 [19:25] <Nathan2055> Well, since I've only used Mibbit and that web client (the default one).
#2185 [19:25] <Nathan2055> ,I wouldn't know
#2186 [19:27] <GreyVulpine> Well, xchat will work as your IRC client, connecting to any IRC server you want it to. It'll conform to all the specs of RFC2812, in working as an IRC client. It'll do DCC file connections, it has support for plugins/scripting
#2187 [19:28] <GreyVulpine> It'll do your logging, since you asked about it earlier.
#2188 [19:28] <Nathan2055> Okay.
#2189 [19:28] <Nathan2055> Sounds good.
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#2191 [19:38] <MK> :O
#2192 [19:38] <MK> I was fiddling with trees and learned something
#2193 [19:38] <Nathan2055> What?
#2194 [19:39] <MK> normally with birch trees, you can only grow them when there are 2 empty spaces between them
#2195 [19:39] <MK> but the game allows you to grow them with a single space between them if the new tree is taller than the first one
#2196 [19:39] <Nathan2055> You can use that to get big birch trees easily!
#2197 [19:39] <MK> so you can do like, [tall][space][medium][space][short][space][medium][space][tall], that's pretty dense for birch
#2198 [19:40] <Nathan2055> Awesome!
#2199 [19:40] <Nathan2055> I'm going to test that in a few minutes.
#2200 [19:40] <MK> strange mechanic. I'll have to figure out exactly what causes the behavior
#2201 [19:40] <Nathan2055> Yeah.
#2202 [19:41] <MK> jungle trees can grow right next to eachother, regardless of height heh
#2203 [19:42] <Nathan2055> With no space?
#2204 [19:42] <sugoi> MK: how do you grow it to medium/tall/short ?
#2205 [19:42] <sugoi> is that based on # of bonemeal applications?
#2206 [19:43] <sugoi> or do you have to use time
#2207 [19:43] <Nathan2055> I'm going to test this.
#2208 [19:43] <MK> yeah no space. sugoi: height is random, so to force is shorter, you just need to put a block above it and spam bonemeal until it grows
#2209 [19:44] <MK> birch trees only come in 3 heights, same as huge mushrooms
#2210 [19:44] * Nathan2055 hopes Minecraft and IRC work together without OptiFine on this clunker
#2210 [19:44] <Nathan2055> Here goes.
#2211 [19:45] <MK> It seems that all 4 trees have totally different growth mechanics
#2212 [19:45] <MK> the height thing doesn't work with dark wood trees
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#2214 [19:46] <Nathan2055> Testing now, so far so good with performance.
#2215 [19:48] <Nathan2055> Got two medium trees, still attempting to grow tall ones.
#2216 [19:50] <Nathan2055> I'm unable to get the tall trees to grow.
#2217 [19:50] <MK> how tall is the medium? Medium is 6
#2218 [19:50] <Nathan2055> As well, I think the jungle tree thing is because of the mechanics of manually growing super-tall jungle trees.
#2219 [19:52] <MK> put a block 7 meters above the ground and grow a birch tree under that, that will make it the shortest
#2220 [19:53] <Nathan2055> I've got the shortest and medium trees grown. I can't get tall trees to grow, and I've bonemealed about 1000 times.
#2221 [19:53] <MK> weird
#2222 [19:53] <Nathan2055> MK: Did an experiment with jungle trees.
#2223 [19:53] <MK> I did them in a straight line
#2224 [19:54] <MK> I didn't mexican train them
#2225 [19:54] <Nathan2055> Let me upload pics.
#2226 [19:54] <sugoi> mk ?
#2227 [19:54] <MK> I am about to go to bed, I plan on doing more of this and taking extensive screenshots tomorrow
#2228 [19:55] <Nathan2055> Wait a moment, I want to show you something I made using trees.
#2229 [19:55] <MK> yup
#2230 [19:55] <Nathan2055> Uploading...
#2231 [19:56] <Nathan2055> Crunching...
#2232 [19:56] <Nathan2055> Processing...
#2233 [19:56] <Nathan2055> Copying...
#2234 [19:56] <Nathan2055> and...
#2235 [19:56] <Nathan2055> http://nathan2055.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/2012-03-09_19-53-22.png
#2236 [19:56] <Nathan2055> http://nathan2055.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/2012-03-09_19-52-30.png
#2237 [19:56] <Nathan2055> http://nathan2055.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/2012-03-09_19-53-13.png
#2238 [19:56] <sugoi> Nathan2055: please dont flood
#2239 [19:56] <sugoi> ;quiet Nathan2055
#2240 [19:56] <MK> SQUEEZE is better than CRUNCH ;o
#2241 [19:57] <sugoi> ;dq Nathan2055
#2242 [19:57] <Nathan2055> sugoi: Okay, sorry.
#2243 [19:57] <sugoi> Nathan2055: make a pastebin, share
#2244 [19:57] <MK> anyway, I am off to bed then, nice pics
#2245 [19:57] <Nathan2055> What were those bot commands?
#2246 [19:57] <Nathan2055> Okay.
#2247 [19:58] <sugoi> Nathan2055: i made you quiet, then let you talk again
#2248 [19:58] <Nathan2055> http://mibpaste.com/qD1CD9
#2249 [19:59] <Nathan2055> Don't you have to be an op to do that?
#2250 [19:59] <MK> The bot is an op, which he has accent to.
#2251 [19:59] <MK> access*
#2252 [19:59] <Nathan2055> ;help
#2253 [20:00] <Nathan2055> Hey, he does have an index.
#2254 [20:00] <Nathan2055> Not a very good one though.
#2255 [20:00] <sugoi> yeah, just some commands
#2256 [20:00] <sugoi> there are a lot more text-expansion nodes
#2257 [20:00] <Nathan2055> Under "factoid", right?
#2258 [20:01] <sugoi> yeah
#2259 [20:02] <Nathan2055> Hey, you can add and edit factoids yourself.
#2260 [20:02] <Nathan2055> Cool.
#2261 [20:04] <Nathan2055> ;account
#2262 [20:04] <WugBot> Nathan2055 is logged in as: Nathan2055
#2263 [20:05] <Nathan2055> Uh...okay.
#2264 [20:09] <Nathan2055> Hey, sugoi?
#2265 [20:09] <Nathan2055> I have an idea.
#2266 [20:09] <Nathan2055> I'm going to start setting up my own set of Wugbot factoids.
#2267 [20:09] <Nathan2055> Do you have any ideas?
#2268 [20:10] <Nathan2055> ;help
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#2270 [20:11] <Nathan2055> ;factoid VoxelHead
#2271 [20:11] <Nathan2055> Oh
#2272 [20:12] <Nathan2055> ;VoxelHead
#2273 [20:12] <Nathan2055> :VoxelHead
#2274 [20:12] <WugBot> voxelhead: VoxelHead is a bot that works in #minecrafthelp. You can find out what it can do at http://paste.ubuntu.com/876885/.
#2275 [20:12] <Nathan2055> Awesome!
#2276 [20:12] <Nathan2055> Uh oh, caught the period again.
#2277 [20:13] <Nathan2055> :VoxelHead
#2278 [20:13] <WugBot> voxelhead: VoxelHead is a bot that works in #minecrafthelp. You can find out what it can do at http://paste.ubuntu.com/876885/
#2279 [20:13] <Nathan2055> Much better.
#2280 [20:13] <Nathan2055> Now to make more!
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#2282 [20:15] <Nathan2055> Drat Mibbit!
#2283 [20:15] <Nathan2055> ;help
#2284 [20:15] <Nathan2055> ;help
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#2288 [20:25] <Azarian> Could someone possibly help me work out how to get a map someone made like say..the Super Hostile maps by Vechs..To work with Minecraft? I feel a bit silly not knowing how to. It says move the folder to your minecraft folder..But I don't seem to have one?
#2289 [20:25] <ccrama> My brothers account, fredferd, cant login on Minecraft, Minecraft.net on ANY computer. When i did password reset, it gives me an error. i checked to see if it was deleted, but it says the username is taken :( plz help
#2290 [20:26] <lemon-rev> ccrama when did yu do the password reset
#2291 [20:26] <ccrama> a min ago
#2292 [20:26] <GreyVulpine> Azarian - What operating system are you on?
#2293 [20:27] <ccrama> tried on pc and ubuntu
#2294 [20:27] <ccrama> uninstalled/reinstalled
#2295 [20:27] <ccrama> its the minecraft.net too
#2296 [20:27] <lemon-rev> whats it doing on miencraft.net ccrama ?
#2297 [20:27] <Azarian> On windows GreyVulpine? I think thats what you were asking..I'm not tech savvy at all.
#2298 [20:27] <ccrama> i cant login with account fredferd
#2299 [20:27] <ccrama> it says unknown username or password
#2300 [20:27] <GreyVulpine> Azarian - Go to your start menu, in the search bar, type in: %appdata% and press enter. Find the .minecraft folder. Inside, you should see a "saves" folder.
#2301 [20:28] <ccrama> and it wont let me reset
#2302 [20:28] <ccrama> it gives me an oopse error occured
#2303 [20:28] <sugoi> ;hp fredferd
#2304 [20:28] <WugBot> fredferd has paid for minecraft.
#2305 [20:28] <GreyVulpine> Azarian - That's where you should put your saves
#2306 [20:28] <ccrama> yes he has
#2307 [20:28] <lemon-rev> ccrama, password has been reset do you know what the password was reset to ?
#2308 [20:28] <ccrama> no it wont let me reset
#2309 [20:28] <ccrama> gives me an error
#2310 [20:28] <lemon-rev> hm,
#2311 [20:28] <ccrama> il paste the error
#2312 [20:28] <ccrama> one sec
#2313 [20:29] <lemon-rev> ccrama, so if you use the old password to login you still get an error ? do you have another comptuer to test this out on ?
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#2315 [20:29] <ccrama> ive tried on 3 computers. and the reset error is this :Oops, an error occured This exception has been logged with id 69jagc7p0.
#2316 [20:30] <lemon-rev> hm,
#2317 [20:30] <lemon-rev> grey do you know anything can be done or is it a connection error or site error ?
#2318 [20:30] <ccrama> well both places it says unknown username or password
#2319 [20:30] <GreyVulpine> If you're using a migrated Mojang account, you'll need to use: https://account.mojang.com/resetpassword/request
#2320 [20:31] <ccrama> it wont let me migrate either
#2321 [20:31] <Rain> minecraft won't run properly.. i launch it, it lags my computer to a point where i can barely switch windows, and i wont stop lagging until I end javaw.exe.. Windows 7 64-Bit, 2gb ram, any thoughts?
#2322 [20:31] <ccrama> i tried it
#2323 [20:31] <ccrama> unknown username or pass :o
#2324 [20:31] <GreyVulpine> Then there's something screwed up with that account, and you'll need to contact Mojang direct to straighten it out
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#2326 [20:31] <GreyVulpine> •User• http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/emails/new
#2327 [20:31] <Nathan2055> Sugoi?
#2328 [20:31] <lemon-rev> rain try reinstalling java or making sure its up todate
#2329 [20:31] <ccrama> wait it let me send an email from that sight
#2330 [20:31] <ccrama> il try in a sec
#2331 [20:31] <Rain> i re-installed it with the latest version, and tried the 64-bit version of java too :/
#2332 [20:32] <ccrama> afk
#2333 [20:32] <Nathan2055> Hey, GreyVulpine?
#2334 [20:32] <sugoi> Nathan2055: sup
#2335 [20:32] <Nathan2055> There you are!
#2336 [20:33] <Nathan2055> I decided to set up new WugBot commands for future use.
#2337 [20:33] <Nathan2055> I'm not done, but here's what I've got so far.
#2338 [20:33] <sugoi> pastebin if it's a lot
#2339 [20:33] <sugoi> also, i was watching in wugbot
#2340 [20:33] <Nathan2055> http://mibpaste.com/b1uIiy
#2341 [20:34] <Azarian> Thank you GreyVulpine, I think I figured it out now.
#2342 [20:34] <sugoi> good, now you can keep it up to date too :)
#2343 [20:34] <Nathan2055> Somebody made 1.0 be "1.0 IS NOT OUT! AUTH SERVER IS DOWN BECAUSE OF YOU GUYS!!!!".
#2344 [20:34] * GreyVulpine nods
#2344 [20:34] <Nathan2055> I changed it to a better note.
#2345 [20:35] <Nathan2055> Minecraft is an official full release of Minecraft. It came out on 11/18/11.
#2346 [20:35] <Nathan2055> :1.0
#2347 [20:35] <WugBot> 1.0: Minecraft is an official full release of Minecraft. It came out on 11/18/11.
#2348 [20:35] <ccrama> the email still isnt coming
#2349 [20:35] <Nathan2055> Hopefully it will act like an up-to-date VoxelHead when I'm done.
#2350 [20:35] <ccrama> -_-
#2351 [20:35] <Nathan2055> But it will take a few days.
#2352 [20:36] <lemon-rev> ccrama just give it a while
#2353 [20:36] <ccrama> ok :/
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#2355 [20:36] <ccrama> well there are two accounts on that email
#2356 [20:36] <sugoi> Nathan2055: and it would be easier if there were an index
#2357 [20:36] <ccrama> so idk which one it will reset for
#2358 [20:37] <Nathan2055> I'm going to set that up with a gist and a factoid command once I get the initial batch of commands done.
#2359 [20:37] <sugoi> GreyVulpine: nice, someone put in a script injection in their quit message
#2360 [20:37] <sugoi> GreyVulpine: good thing i run things sandboxed with no perms
#2361 [20:37] <sugoi> :)
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#2363 [20:37] <Nathan2055> Gists are pastebins can be edited easily.
#2364 [20:38] <Nathan2055> sugoi: What do you mean?
#2365 [20:38] <Rain> minecraft won't run properly.. i launch it, it lags my computer to a point where i can barely switch windows, and i wont stop lagging until I end javaw.exe.. Windows 7 64-Bit, 2gb ram, any thoughts guys
#2366 [20:38] <Nathan2055> Get OptiFine.
#2367 [20:38] <lemon-rev> rain did you update java ?
#2368 [20:38] <Rain> yeah
#2369 [20:38] <Nathan2055> Rain: www.minecraftforum.net/topic/249637-
#2370 [20:38] <Nathan2055> http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/249637-
#2371 [20:39] <lemon-rev> ??> rain win/dxdiag
#2372 [20:39] <VoxelHead> rain: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#2373 [20:39] <VoxelHead> rain: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
#2374 [20:39] <sugoi> Nathan2055: someone was trying to be malicious with the their irc quit message, and i run scripts and searches in the messages, so if my scripts are 'safe', it could execute the commands it reads from the logs
#2375 [20:39] <Nathan2055> That will boost your performance.
#2376 [20:39] <Rain> thank you o:
#2377 [20:39] <Nathan2055> sugoi: Oh, you mean a miRC command?
#2378 [20:40] <sugoi> Nathan2055: no, bash
#2379 [20:40] <Nathan2055> Who was it?
#2380 [20:41] <Rain> http://pastebin.com/8zcti7zD :O
#2381 [20:41] <sugoi> Nathan2055: it happened over a year ago
#2382 [20:41] <Nathan2055> Oh.
#2383 [20:42] <Nathan2055> I don't think that can happen in Mibbit, can it?
#2384 [20:42] <sugoi> Nathan2055: 1. i don't use mibbit, 2. i'm not talking about running scripts in mibbit - i have the logs on a separate system (not irc) which runs analysis
#2385 [20:43] <Pepper> Core 2 Quad with 2GB of RAM...
#2386 [20:43] <Rain> dont judge me.. this thing is a dinosaur :(^
#2387 [20:43] <Pepper> Processor's not that bad, really
#2388 [20:43] <Nathan2055> sugoi: So, you use a program that could run bashes from IRC?
#2389 [20:43] <Rain> still though xD gonna upgrade soon (:
#2390 [20:44] <lemon-rev> give me tick rain
#2391 [20:44] <Rain> Tick? o;
#2392 [20:44] <sugoi> Nathan2055: i have a separate system, sandbox'd, vm'd ... i download the logs there in text form. i have programs i wrote that parse the logs for data and make tables for me to review
#2393 [20:44] <Nathan2055> Rain: A tick is a tenth of a second.
#2394 [20:44] <AM3> Rain: try using th ebatch method to reduce Java heap size to 256M? Only 2 GB with 767M needed by teh display leaves very little for W/ and java.
#2395 [20:44] <Nathan2055> It's a Minecraft term.
#2396 [20:45] <Rain> k, ill try it now o:
#2397 [20:45] <Pepper> A tick is actually 1/20th of a second, in the game
#2398 [20:45] <Nathan2055> sugoi: Oh, so it could have caused problems as it processed the data?
#2399 [20:45] <AM3> Rain: http://pastebin.com/1knuj6Zh
#2400 [20:45] <Nathan2055> Pepper: Oops.
#2401 [20:45] <lemon-rev> tick < hold on a minute LO
#2402 [20:45] <sugoi> Nathan2055: could have -
#2403 [20:45] <Pepper> ^ and that
#2404 [20:45] <Rain> *facepalm* xD
#2405 [20:46] <Nathan2055> sugoi: Back on topic, I hope to have the new WugBot system done by about, say,...
#2406 [20:46] <Nathan2055> Wednesday?
#2407 [20:46] <sugoi> go for it
#2408 [20:46] <sugoi> :)
#2409 [20:46] <Nathan2055> Okay.
#2410 [20:47] <Nathan2055> Your VoxelHead index is a HUGE help, thanks for making it!
#2411 [20:47] * sugoi nods
#2411 [20:48] * sugoi is afk
#2411 [20:48] <Nathan2055> See you. I'm going to take a break.
#2412 [20:49] <Rain> same problem guys
#2413 [20:49] <Rain> :(
#2414 [20:52] <AM3> Rain: make sure the GPU and not the CPU is being used for the advanced graphics? How much physical RAM is left using the 256M batch?
#2415 [20:53] <Rain> I dunno how to check, I'm not very good with this kinda thing :/
#2416 [20:53] <AM3> Rain: Does the CPU max out at 100% when you run MC ?
#2417 [20:54] <Rain> Uhh, hang on and I'll check
#2418 [20:55] <Rain> well it doesn't max out but it certainly gets a lot higher
#2419 [20:55] <Rain> it went from around 30 to 70
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#2422 [20:56] <AM3> Rain: for your CPU passmark.com shows a mark similar to my Athlon dual 5000 and I have to reduce render distance to short to get MC playable. CPU is 70 to 90 % on mine but it doesn't affect my Vista much.
#2423 [20:57] <Rain> But I can't even get to the game - it starts lagging when the launcher opens, so I can't change my render distance? o:
#2424 [20:58] <Rain> And MC used to run fine, but I dunno when it stopped working.. I think it was around the time I upgraded to 64-bit, would that be the problem?
#2425 [20:58] <AM3> Rain: Oh, uninstalled all Java and installed only Java 6?
#2426 [20:58] <Rain> Yep.
#2427 [21:00] <AM3> Rain: 64 bit Windows 7 you mean? Did you re-install the NVIDIA graphics drivers too? Not sure if they need to be 64 bit too.
#2428 [21:00] <Rain> Yeah, I upgraded to Windows 7 64-bit, but then my internet kinda screwed me over and I didn't play a lot, so I'm not exactly sure when the problem happened
#2429 [21:00] <Rain> And yeah, I upgraded my graphics drivers the other night :/
#2430 [21:02] <AM3> Rain: Does MC pause like that even when no browser is running?
#2431 [21:02] <Rain> Yeah, I've tried closing all my programs and running it.
#2432 [21:02] <Rain> I also tried playing it in-browser, it just didn't load at all.
#2433 [21:07] <AM3> Rain: So your MC does not get to the title menu? You login and it just hangs with CPU at 100%? or 0%? Ok, maybe try this method to get a clean install in a separate folder: http://pastebin.com/FRjZEyGT <-- it will not affect your current MC install.
#2434 [21:07] <Rain> I don't even get to login; The launcher appears, and it starts lagging..
#2435 [21:07] <Rain> Hang on a sec, I'll try that :P
#2436 [21:08] <AM3> Rain: Oh? Sounds like java to me.
#2437 [21:08] <Rain> Nah, that didn't work either..
#2438 [21:08] <AM3> Rain: But try that separate install first, could be the launcher or a messed up MC install.
#2439 [21:09] <Rain> That seperate install thing didn't work*
#2440 [21:09] <AM3> Rain: What appeared in the black command window with that last try?
#2441 [21:09] <Rain> ill check again
#2442 [21:10] <Rain> *have to type it manually*
#2443 [21:10] <Rain> C:\Users\Rain\Desktop\MC>set APPDATA=C:\Users\Rain\Desktop\MC
#2444 [21:11] <Rain> C:\Users\Rain\Desktop\MC>java -Xmx256M -Xms256M -cp minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame
#2445 [21:11] <Rain> java.io.FileNotFoundException: C:\Users\Rain\Desktop\MC\.minecraft\lastlogin <The system cannot find the file specified>
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#2447 [21:12] <AM3> Rain: You can hit Alt-space to get the menu for the command window for copy paste...
#2448 [21:12] <Rain> oh.
#2449 [21:12] <Rain> ..
#2450 [21:12] <AM3> Rain: And then paste it to pastebin.com and post the link here
#2451 [21:14] <Rain> http://pastebin.com/gsGG0H4X
#2452 [21:15] <AM3> Rain: That's it? No more lines? The lastlogin error is normal on a first install.
#2453 [21:15] <Rain> Nope, no more lines
#2454 [21:15] <Rain> :/
#2455 [21:16] <AM3> Rain: Definitely Java 6?
#2456 [21:16] <Rain> C:\program files(x86)\java\jre6
#2457 [21:16] <Rain> ^that?
#2458 [21:17] <Rain> I also have jre7 for like, 64-bit? if that makes any difference
#2459 [21:17] <AM3> Rain: Ah, multiple Javas? Java 7 is known to have problems with MC
#2460 [21:18] <Rain> But I don't run MC with Java 7, and I only installed it like 20 minutes ago to try and solve the problem.. xD
#2461 [21:18] <Rain> before i installed it all i had was java 6, and it's the exact same problem ._.
#2462 [21:18] <AM3> Rain: Can you disable or uninstall all Java and re-install Java 6 and retry? I'm still suspecting a broken Java install, otherwise I start suspecting malware, antivirus...
#2463 [21:19] <Rain> uh yeah ok, hang on a min then
#2464 [21:19] <Rain> and i scan my system regularly, i hope it isnt malware ._.'
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#2466 [21:20] <Rain> Right I'm uninstalling all java, what version am I redownloading? xD
#2467 [21:21] <AM3> Rain: Java 6 Update 31 last time I looked. I'm a bit rusty with diagnosing these problems, might be Windows antivirus preventing Java from accessing internet or the APPDATA folder.
#2468 [21:21] <AM3> Rain: Java 6 Update 31 last time I looked. I'm a bit rusty with diagnosing these problems, might be Windows antivirus preventing Java from accessing internet or the APPDATA folder.
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#2470 [21:22] <Rain> I use AVG, if that makes a difference? o.o;
#2471 [21:22] <AM3> Rain: It does. AVG has known problems, wait I'll look them up
#2472 [21:22] <Rain> Ah, ok xD
#2473 [21:23] <AM3> ;search avg
#2474 [21:23] <WugBot> Matches for "avg": av avg
#2475 [21:23] <AM3> :avg
#2476 [21:23] <WugBot> avg: AVG sometimes blocks minecraft from being able to connect to the internet. To fix it, add exceptions to AVG and AVG's Linkscanner.
#2477 [21:23] <AM3> :av
#2478 [21:23] <WugBot> av: If you try to update minecraft and the screen freezes while downloading something, your antivirus is likely interfering with the program. Disable any antimalware programs and try the download again.
#2479 [21:23] <WugBot> av: Commonly used antivirus programs include: Norton, AVG, Avast, Avira, MCAfee
#2480 [21:24] <Rain> holy crap that makes sense
#2481 [21:24] <Rain> pardon my language XD
#2482 [21:24] <AM3> Rain: hmmm, well the Wug database has the above, I do know people have needed to disable it for java and minecraft, sometimes have to disable it 100%
#2483 [21:24] <Rain> Now that I think about it, the launcher runs smoothly for a few seconds and then it starts lagging, it must start lagging when it tries to access the internet?
#2484 [21:25] <Rain> Like, the main screen where it shows updates? xD
#2485 [21:25] <AM3> Rain: but normally the pause is during the updating packages, not right at the start, but it varies
#2486 [21:25] <Rain> hmm ok, well i'll try it now then? :P
#2487 [21:25] <Rain> as soon as I download java
#2488 [21:25] <AM3> Rain: Make sure the Linkscanner is disabled, that causes a lo of MC problems like this
#2489 [21:26] <Rain> alright :P thanks btw xD
#2490 [21:27] <Rain> oh, uhh, does it make a difference whether I download the Windows x64 or Windows x86 version of jre6
#2491 [21:29] <AM3> Rain: x64 is the 64 bit Java for 64 bit OSes. I believe x86 is 32 bit. Not sure if x86 hurts but x64 would be best for your 64 bit W7
#2492 [21:29] <AM3> ??> Rain win/64bitjava
#2493 [21:29] <VoxelHead> Rain: (win/64bitjava) I f[bleep]cking hate Oracle's web site. Get Win64 java here: http://download.oracle.com/otn-pub/java/jdk/6u30-b12/jre-6u30-windows-x64.exe
#2494 [21:30] <Rain> Yeah I know whatcha mean, but I was reading a thread on some forum earlier about the differences between the two so I didn't know which one xD
#2495 [21:30] <AM3> Rain: ^^ in case the oracle site is confusing
#2496 [21:30] <Rain> Thanks for the link xD
#2497 [21:32] <Rain> Internet is so slow today. o.o
#2498 [21:38] <Rain> Uninstalled all Java, reinstalled JRE6-Update 31, disabled Linkscanner and added exceptions
#2499 [21:38] <Rain> now minecraft wont even open XD
#2500 [21:39] <AM3> Rain: ? You mean the minecraft.exe ? What about the Run.bat from GreyVulpine's batch method I posted above?
#2501 [21:40] <AM3> Rain: Make sure the antivirus is temporarily disabled first, it might still be blocking java.
#2502 [21:40] <Rain> I ran the run.bat from GreyVulpine's batch method, it didn't work
#2503 [21:40] <Rain> I tried the minecraft.exe from minecraft.net, it ran but still laggy.
#2504 [21:41] <Rain> I'll disable my AV so, hang on :P
#2505 [21:41] <Rain> ..Actually, I dunno how to disable it. ;-;
#2506 [21:42] <AM3> Rain: http://www.avg.com/ww-en/faq.num-3857
#2507 [21:43] <Rain> Thanks :P Should I disable the firewall as well?
#2508 [21:44] <AM3> Rain: Windows firewall? First add exceptions for java, if that fails, try to disable it.
#2509 [21:45] <Rain> Alright :p
#2510 [21:46] <AM3> Rain: If that fails we'll try a new Windows user profile - but it still sounds like antivirus/firewall derpiness to me
#2511 [21:48] <Rain> Didn't work..
#2512 [21:48] <Rain> :(
#2513 [21:49] <AM3> Rain: Did Minecraft worked on this PC when it was 32 bit Windows 7?
#2514 [21:49] <Rain> Yep.
#2515 [21:50] <AM3> Rain: Has the Windows user name got strange characters in it?
#2516 [21:50] <Rain> nope
#2517 [21:50] <AM3> ??> Rain win/profile
#2518 [21:50] <VoxelHead> Rain: (win/profile) It may be helpful to isolate whether this is a problem with your user account, or with your system as a whole.
#2519 [21:50] <VoxelHead> Rain: (win/profile) Please create a new user profile (a computer user, not a new Minecraft account), log in as that user, and try Minecraft from there. If it works, there's something on your profile that's breaking Java or Minecraft. If not, there's something amiss with your system as a whole.
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#2521 [21:52] <Arasuko> Sorry internet got banjaxed..
#2522 [21:52] <Arasuko> Should I just switch user or fully log out lol
#2523 [21:53] <Arasuko> (im rain btw, dunno why it changed my name)
#2524 [21:54] <AM3> Arasuko: aka Rain: Change user should be enough.
#2525 [21:54] <AM3> Arasuko: aka Rain: Switch user I mean.
#2526 [21:54] <Arasuko> Alright, grand
#2527 [21:54] <Arasuko> Oh by the way..
#2528 [21:54] <Arasuko> When my internet turned off just there
#2529 [21:54] <Arasuko> i launched minecraft
#2530 [21:54] <Arasuko> and it ran perfectly
#2531 [21:55] <Arasuko> it just wouldnt login, obviously because it wasnt connected to the internet
#2532 [21:55] <Arasuko> xD
#2533 [21:55] <Arasuko> so like, wtf.
#2534 [21:56] <AM3> Arasuko: aka Rain: But not the run.bat from the batch method I guess? because it could not have downloaded packages. let's check the HOSTS file
#2535 [21:56] <Arasuko> Yeah, I ran the .exe from the minecraft site.
#2536 [21:56] <AM3> :win/hosts
#2537 [21:56] <WugBot> win/hosts: You may have a problem with your hosts file, which overrides DNS queries. Please follow the following directions:
#2538 [21:56] <WugBot> win/hosts: Hold down the Windows key, and press R. In the window that appears, enter "%SystemRoot%\System32\drivers\etc", and press Enter. In the window that appears you will see a file, "hosts". Open that file in Notepad, and copy the contents onto Pastebin, and give us the resulting URL.
#2539 [21:56] <Arasuko> Oh and I deleted .minecraft from %appdata%
#2540 [21:56] <Arasuko> well i renamed it just in case i needed it again
#2541 [21:59] <Arasuko> heres my hosts.. http://pastebin.com/qJZpr99d
#2542 [22:00] <AM3> Arasuko: aka Rain: Ok, there's no minecraft in that hosts which is good. Is that the full HOSTS file? I still suspect either antivirus, Windows 7 permissions, or malware.
#2543 [22:00] <Arasuko> That's the full file, yep.. ignore the alcohol soft thing <_< xD
#2544 [22:02] <AM3> Arasuko: aka Rain: Check this: Look for rlvknlg.exe in Task manager process list
#2545 [22:02] <Arasuko> Not there
#2546 [22:02] <Arasuko> o:
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#2548 [22:04] <AM3> Arasuko: aka Rain: That's good, rlvknlg is malware that several people get tricked into using. Can you set the firewall to completely open temporarily while you retry minecraft online?
#2549 [22:05] <Arasuko> Yeah, hang on then xD
#2550 [22:05] <AM3> Arasuko: aka Rain: I don't know W7 but this might help:
#2551 [22:05] <AM3> win/7/firewall
#2552 [22:05] <AM3> :win/7/firewall
#2553 [22:05] <WugBot> win/7/firewall: Follow these instructions to allow a program through the Windows Firewall on a computer running Windows 7: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/Allow-a-program-to-communicate-through-Windows-Firewall
#2554 [22:08] <AM3> Arasuko: aka Rain: I just read that microdoft guide, Iand I guess you need to allow programs java.exe and javaw.exe to access these domains: minecraft.net and amazonaws.com
#2555 [22:09] <AM3> Arasuko: aka Rain: * microsoft *
#2556 [22:10] <Arasuko> Disabling the AVG firewall didn't work..
#2557 [22:10] <Arasuko> xD
#2558 [22:13] <AM3> Arasuko: aka Rain: Is Windows firewall running as well? I'm running out of ideas to check next.
#2559 [22:14] <Arasuko> Checking now. xD
#2560 [22:14] <Arasuko> I feel like the neediest person :/ I dunno what's wrong with this..
#2561 [22:17] <AM3> Arasuko: aka Rain: Let's check your computer really can access amazonaws.com : Can you open a cmd window and in it type nslookup amazonaws.com ?
#2562 [22:17] <Arasuko> yep hang on
#2563 [22:18] <Arasuko> it says
#2564 [22:18] <Arasuko> Server: router
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#2566 [22:18] <Arasuko> Address: 192.168.2.1
#2567 [22:18] <Arasuko> Name: amazonaws.com
#2568 [22:19] <AM3> Arasuko: aka Rain: I was expecting 207.171.163.141 or similar. 192 is an internal address, namely your router.
#2569 [22:19] <Arasuko> yeah
#2570 [22:19] <Arasuko> i know, what's up with that
#2571 [22:19] <AM3> Arasuko: aka Rain: Now type nslookup minecraft,.net
#2572 [22:19] <Arasuko> is it redirecting amazonaws.com to my ip or what
#2573 [22:19] <Arasuko> k
#2574 [22:19] <AM3> Arasuko: aka Rain: typo fix: Now type nslookup minecraft.net
#2575 [22:20] <Arasuko> for minecraft.net it says server: router, address: 192.168.2.1, then it says name: minecraft.net, address: 50.16.203.217
#2576 [22:21] <AM3> Arasuko: aka Rain: 50.16.203.217 is correct.
#2577 [22:21] <Arasuko> Do you think the Alcohol-Soft edits in my hosts file would be affecting it
#2578 [22:21] <AM3> Arasuko: aka Rain: Wait, I meant to tell you to type this: nslookup s3.amazonaws.com
#2579 [22:22] <Arasuko> yeah, that one worked
#2580 [22:22] <AM3> Arasuko: aka Rain: My bad, just amazonaws.com would not give the address
#2581 [22:22] <Arasuko> name: s3-1.amazonaws.com, address: 72.21.211.170
#2582 [22:22] <Arasuko> its cool
#2583 [22:22] <Arasuko> xD
#2584 [22:24] <AM3> Arasuko: aka Rain: Ok, 72.21.211.170 is an amazon address, so far so good
#2585 [22:25] <Arasuko> Alright, so what should I do now? :o
#2586 [22:25] <AM3> Arasuko: aka Rain: Wait, I'm just trying that clean install right now in case there's a temporary outage
#2587 [22:26] <Arasuko> Oh, okay xD
#2588 [22:27] <AM3> Arasuko: aka Rain: clean instal is working for me, so minecraft.net and amazonaws must be Ok.
#2589 [22:30] <Arasuko> then it's my computer? xD
#2590 [22:30] <Arasuko> or user account or whatever :p
#2591 [22:30] <AM3> Arasuko: aka Rain: I'm out of ideas, wait around in case someone here has more suggestions. If it's not firewall, antivirus or Windows 7 permissions, it's either malware or a flaky internet service provider.
#2592 [22:31] <Arasuko> haha alright :) thanks for your help man, i really appreciate it :P
#2593 [22:31] <AM3> Arasuko: aka Rain: Your MC definitively hangs before it gets to downloading packages?
#2594 [22:31] <Arasuko> Hangs before I can even login man, it's too slow for me to even click the text boxes
#2595 [22:32] <AM3> Arasuko: aka Rain: But you said offline it works? That's before you login.
#2596 [22:32] <Arasuko> Yeah
#2597 [22:32] <Arasuko> That's what I found weird
#2598 [22:32] <Arasuko> I can't even click the text boxes when i'm connected to the internet because it goes too slow but if i'm not connected to the internet, it's fine xD
#2599 [22:33] <AM3> Arasuko: aka Rain: Yes wierd, double check the launcher came from minecraft.net/download - partly why I was checking HOSTS and possible malware
#2600 [22:34] <Arasuko> How do I check where it came from? Although i'm pretty sure it's a legit launcher, I only downloaded it yesterday XD
#2601 [22:34] <AM3> Arasuko: aka Rain: When you click the Options button on the launcher does it show Force Update and teh game location on disk?
#2602 [22:34] <Arasuko> I can't click options - it runs to slow, I have to end the process.
#2603 [22:35] <AM3> Arasuko: aka Rain: Hmm, and that makes me suspect Java. or Windows7 install is flaky? or hardware? I can only make wild guesses really at this point.
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#2605 [22:36] <Arasuko> Would it make a difference if my windows 7 wasn't exactly.. legal?
#2606 [22:36] <Arasuko> And I uninstalled all java and re-installed it, and my hardware has always worked fine with mc :(
#2607 [22:36] <AM3> Arasuko: aka Rain: Could it be that Windows 7 is incompatible with that Packard Bell hardware?
#2608 [22:37] <Arasuko> But I ran MC on Windows 7 32-Bit on the same computer, so that couldn't be the problem?
#2609 [22:37] <AM3> Arasuko: aka Rain: As to legality, it doesn't help diagnose causes of problems, as you need to get Windows Updates.
#2610 [22:37] <Arasuko> I can get updates. xD
#2611 [22:38] <AM3> Arasuko: aka Rain: I've seen some computers haven't got the specs for W7, just guessing could be the drivers for the network or the motherboard even (wild guess that)
#2612 [22:39] <Arasuko> Well I can run Oblivion at Full specs, along with Team Fortress 2 and Garys Mod, all those kinds of games, Minecraft would be nothing to compared to them, would it?
#2613 [22:39] <AM3> Arasuko: aka Rain: Does Packard bell, or the maker of the motherboard and associated chipsets inside that PC have a W7 update for it?
#2614 [22:40] <Arasuko> Not sure, but W7 worked perfectly before?
#2615 [22:42] <AM3> Arasuko: aka Rain: Yes but 32 bit W7. Not 64 bit - it's quite possible the system just does not support W7 64 bit - in a hardware sense.
#2616 [22:43] <Arasuko> Well I was looking through the specs one day and it said that it supported 64-bit operating systems, and W7 doesn't let you install 64-bit unless your system can support it.
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#2618 [22:45] <AM3> Arasuko: aka Rain: I would look at http://www.packardbell.co.uk/ or whichever country and look for support for Windows 7 - if 64 bit is not offered for that model then it's likely it will not work 100% - but I'm nt an expert with Windows installs
#2619 [22:47] <Arasuko> Well I'm pretty sure I have an Ubuntu CD around here, I could install it alongside W7 and see if Minecraft would work on that..
#2620 [22:47] <Arasuko> in which case, you're right and my system just won't support W7 64-bit, otherwise i'm kinda out of options here xD
#2621 [22:50] <AM3> Arasuko: aka Rain: As to the other games arguement, Voxelhead or a bot here has an entry but I cannot find it rightnow, it goes minecraft may look simple but it uses advanced graphics and needs a reasonable modern system.
#2622 [22:52] <Arasuko> Yeah you're right :/ Ah well, I'll give Ubuntu a shot. If nothing works out, I was planning on buying a new system anyway, this will give me another reason xD Thanks for all your help man
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#2624 [22:54] <AM3> Arasuko: aka Rain: np, I also have an old Ubuntu DVD I'll try one day on my old PC - so far my Vista is working reasonably well though
#2625 [22:55] <Arasuko> lucky you.. i never had much luck with vista :P anyways im gonna go, thanks again, cya :)
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