#1 [23:59] <ThePringle> Thanks.
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#6 [00:11] <v1p3rX88> hy all, can i use eclipse to edit minecraft mods?
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#8 [00:11] <Alatreonkillers> Hey
#9 [00:11] <Alatreonkillers> I need help please
#10 [00:12] <Wug> v1p3rX88: you can. this isnt a channel for modding help though. you should visit #risucraft
#11 [00:12] <Wug> they're agreeable as long as you dont ask dumb questions :P
#12 [00:12] <Alatreonkillers> Not about mindcraft
#13 [00:12] <Wug> Alatreonkillers: this is a minecraft help channel
#14 [00:13] <v1p3rX88> wug: thanks man, im having some issues with some mods and attempting to fix them myself... for 3 days now xD
#15 [00:13] <Wug> if you ask a question I will try to direct you to the best place to ask
#16 [00:14] <v1p3rX88> well, i need some help with mo'creatures, i put a new mod that adds extra biomes and mobs wont spawn on the new biomes, so, risucraft will do for that?
#17 [00:14] <Wug> yeah
#18 [00:14] <Alatreonkillers> Ineed someone to work in my chat room about monsterhunter
#19 [00:15] <Wug> just dont expect them to do all the work for you
#20 [00:15] <v1p3rX88> well, i just need to be pointed in the right direction ;)
#21 [00:15] <v1p3rX88> later and ty
#22 [00:15] <Alatreonkillers> I mean just like i give them op and admin and they dont let people spamm
#23 [00:15] <Alatreonkillers> I mean just like i give them op and admin and they dont let people spamm
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#25 [00:15] <Alatreonkillers> I mean just like i give them op and admin and they dont let people spamm
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#33 [01:29] <Chris> ??< fubar/hamachi
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#42 [02:27] <sarge> test
#43 [02:27] <Wug> ack
#44 [02:28] <sarge> I am having problems updating from java 5
#45 [02:28] <sarge> I am having problems updating from java 5
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#48 [02:30] <DiskDaemon> I didn't think that Jva had even got to version 2 yet.
#49 [02:31] <Wug> java is on version 7
#50 [02:31] <Wug> 1.7 == version 7
#51 [02:31] <sarge> mine says 1.5
#52 [02:31] <DiskDaemon> ahh
#53 [02:31] <Wug> sarge: what OS are you on
#54 [02:32] <sarge> OS X Version 10.5.8
#55 [02:32] <Wug> oh. any chance of upgrading osx? it has issues with the newer versions I think
#56 [02:32] <Wug> the old version has issues*
#57 [02:33] <Wug> (as in, issues with newer versions of java)
#58 [02:33] <sarge> not really a chance of upgrading, any other way?
#59 [02:34] <Wug> tbh I'm not sure. My expertise is with linux and windows
#60 [02:34] <Wug> I recommend you either do some independent research on google, or come back when a mac savvy person is awake
#61 [02:34] <Wug> try tomorrow afternoon
#62 [02:34] <sarge> ok thanks
#63 [02:35] <sarge> i'll try and figure this out
#64 [02:35] <sarge> i'll try and figure this out
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#67 [02:36] <whitewolf> Hello, could i bother anyone for an issue relating to towny?
#68 [02:37] <Wug> I think towny has their own channel, #towny
#69 [02:37] <whitewolf> yea they also not there.... :(
#70 [02:37] <Wug> well, I have never used towny before
#71 [02:37] <whitewolf> been in the channel for like 30 min and got 1 responce, i wouldnt even bother but i cant for the life of me figure this issue out
#72 [02:37] <Wug> so I recommend you visit #towny, ask your question, and wait until someone answers it
#73 [02:38] <Wug> you could also try #bukkit
#74 [02:38] <whitewolf> kk ill try that
#75 [02:38] <Wug> it has more people and is generally more active
#76 [02:38] <Wug> but I have no idea how towny works and I doubt anyone else here has much experience with it. we mostly offer vanilla support
#77 [02:39] <whitewolf> oh ok
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#87 [03:45] <dasher> how can my friend connect to my server?
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#89 [03:51] <dasher> how can my friend connect to my server?
#90 [03:55] <lemon-rev> dasher
#91 [03:55] <dasher> yes?
#92 [03:55] <lemon-rev> is he useing the correct server ip or name
#93 [03:55] <dasher> yes
#94 [03:56] <lemon-rev> then what sort of error is he getting ?
#95 [03:57] <dasher> i found out what my ip is here: http://whatismyipaddress.com
#96 [03:57] <dasher> and the error is "Connection timed out: connect"
#97 [03:58] <lemon-rev> hm, ok, does the server show up on his computer like the bars that show up how many players are online on that server and how good the strenth is ?
#98 [03:58] <SinZ> that means its wrong ip/port or not port-forwarded
#99 [03:58] <SinZ> that means its wrong ip/port or not port-forwarded
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#101 [03:59] <dasher> no
#102 [03:59] <dasher> but im the only one on the server
#103 [04:00] <lemon-rev> ok whos server is it ?
#104 [04:01] <dasher> i made it with minecraftserver.exe
#105 [04:01] <lemon-rev> ok, so are you running though a router ?
#106 [04:01] <dasher> i guess
#107 [04:02] <lemon-rev> you either are or your not, its a white or black box with like at least 4 connections that can run via cable or wifi
#108 [04:02] <lemon-rev> ?
#109 [04:03] <dasher> oh,yes i am
#110 [04:03] <lemon-rev> ok, you need to log into your router and look up on the web how to port forward 65535 port for minecraft so your friend can join you
#111 [04:05] <dasher> ummm,how do i do that?
#112 [04:05] <lemon-rev> well google is a good way to start and look for how to port forward
#113 [04:05] <lemon-rev> and then you might want to look at your router and find the model number and name of it so you can also do a search on how to log into it and goto port forward
#114 [04:08] <dasher> and me and my friend are connected to the same router
#115 [04:09] <lemon-rev> oh
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#117 [04:09] <lemon-rev> is that wifi or cable ?
#118 [04:10] <dasher> cable
#119 [04:10] <lemon-rev> try the portforwarding first
#120 [04:10] <dasher> ok
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#122 [04:17] <Dylan> .check mc.minecraftirc.net
#123 [04:17] <Dylan> .help
#124 [04:18] <lemon-rev> dylan ?
#125 [04:18] <Dylan> .mcping
#126 [04:18] <Dylan> testing
#127 [04:18] <Dylan> .mcping mc.minecraftirc.net
#128 [04:18] <Dylan> hmm
#129 [04:18] <Dylan> WugBot broken
#130 [04:18] <Dylan> and AuBot got eaten
#131 [04:19] <Dylan> ;help
#132 [04:20] <Dylan> ;ddos
#133 [04:21] <Dylan> ...
#134 [04:21] <Dylan> ;haspaid cam1x
#135 [04:21] <WugBot> cam1x has NOT paid for minecraft.
#136 [04:21] <Dylan> no
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#138 [04:21] <Dylan> He hasnt paid
#139 [04:21] <DiskDaemon> ;haspaid DiskDaemon
#140 [04:21] <WugBot> DiskDaemon has NOT paid for minecraft.
#141 [04:21] <Dylan> lier
#142 [04:21] <DiskDaemon> My account name is differnt from my username here
#143 [04:21] <DiskDaemon> ;haspaid paul_wilkins
#144 [04:21] <WugBot> paul_wilkins has paid for minecraft.
#145 [04:22] <Dylan> ;haspaid ModernWarfare31
#146 [04:22] <WugBot> ModernWarfare31 has NOT paid for minecraft.
#147 [04:22] <Dylan> ;haspaid dylanbarberdude
#148 [04:22] <WugBot> dylanbarberdude has paid for minecraft.
#149 [04:22] <Dylan> ahh
#150 [04:22] <Dylan> my cracked friend use God
#151 [04:23] <Dylan> wich has a minecon cape
#152 [04:23] <Dylan> ;haspaid God
#153 [04:23] <WugBot> God has paid for minecraft.
#154 [04:23] <Dylan> ;haspaid Enzetsu
#155 [04:23] <WugBot> Enzetsu has paid for minecraft.
#156 [04:23] <Dylan> That name just lingers in my head
#157 [04:24] <Dylan> freaky
#158 [04:24] <Dylan> freaky
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#168 [05:25] <Freaky12> Any one tht can help me
#169 [05:27] <Freaky12> need help with acount\payment have send email's and no one came back to me a week past still no reply
#170 [05:28] <Freaky12> Need help with acount please
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#172 [05:32] <Freaky> need help with my acount
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#176 [06:15] <Pashka2> hy guys. I've purchased minecraft today. now I try to update but got error: connection refused. is it everything ok now? sure I have no firewall and so on
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#178 [06:32] <zacyboy33> can you change your minecraft username?
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#183 [07:26] <Freaky> need help with acount problem
#184 [07:27] <Grim_Reaper> Freaky whats wrong exactly?
#185 [07:28] <Freaky> Week past still didn't get premium
#186 [07:28] <Grim_Reaper> Where did you buy it from?
#187 [07:30] <Freaky> send. 5 emails and not one reply
#188 [07:30] <Grim_Reaper> Where did you buy it from
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#190 [07:34] <Grim_Reaper> >_>
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#192 [07:35] <Grim_Reaper> Where did you buy it from Freaky
#193 [07:37] <Freaky> minecraft.net
#194 [07:37] <Grim_Reaper> And how did you pay?
#195 [07:38] <Freaky> My card
#196 [07:38] <Grim_Reaper> Ok what is the minecraft username?
#197 [07:38] <Freaky> Chec
#198 [07:38] <Grim_Reaper> !paid Chec
#199 [07:38] <Grim_Reaper> Are you sure it's typed right?
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#202 [07:40] <Grim_Reaper> Freaky are you sure Chec is typed right? [13:38] <+Grim_Reaper> !paid Chec [13:38] <@AuBot> Chec has NOT paid for Minecraft!
#203 [07:41] <Freaky> my name is freaky121
#204 [07:41] <Grim_Reaper> !paid freaky121
#205 [07:42] <Grim_Reaper> If you definitly did pay at minecraft.net
#206 [07:42] <Grim_Reaper> Please email mojang here - http://help.mojang.com/
#207 [07:42] <Grim_Reaper> Also did you recieve a confirmation email after you paid?
#208 [07:43] <Freaky> I paid and it sayed it will be whitin the the 1 hrs
#209 [07:43] <Grim_Reaper> http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/emails/new
#210 [07:43] <Grim_Reaper> Please email them here explaining
#211 [07:43] <Grim_Reaper> If you have a transaction ID for the payment. please provide it in the email to them
#212 [07:43] <Freaky> I mailed 5 times and didn't get any reply frm them
#213 [07:43] <Boreeas> Freaky: When exactly did you purchase the game?
#214 [07:44] <Grim_Reaper> After that, please wait up to 3 days for a reply. If you still haven't gotten a reply after 3 days, reply to the email again
#215 [07:44] <DiskDaemon> there can be a delay when emailing them, but they say they are training up extra staff to handle the load
#216 [07:47] <Freaky> thin its bout the 9th
#217 [07:47] <Freaky> could be earlier
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#222 [07:51] <Freaky> we'll I am waiting long time no email reply
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#225 [07:59] <Freaky> !paid freaky
#226 [08:05] <Freaky> Reaper
#227 [08:05] <Grim_Reaper> Yes?
#228 [08:06] <Freaky> If I pay again and the money subtrated from the other acount will they refund it?
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#230 [08:11] <Grim_Reaper> No it wont
#231 [08:11] <Grim_Reaper> You would be buying more than once
#232 [08:12] <Freaky> becuse I didn't get any email when I paid
#233 [08:12] <Boreeas> Freaky: There is nothing we can do, really, we can only tell you to wait and try to contact mojang via the help form (alternatively, you might want to try twitter)
#234 [08:13] <Grim_Reaper> You'll just need to wait for a reply from mojang since you've already sent them an email
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#237 [08:35] <Freaky> So if I paid twice one one acount u guys don't realy care aslong as u get money
#238 [08:38] <GreyVulpine> We're not Mojang.
#239 [08:38] <Freaky> !help
#240 [08:38] <GreyVulpine> We're commnity-run support, fans of the game, like you.
#241 [08:39] <GreyVulpine> We don't see a penny of the money that Mojang gets.
#242 [08:40] <Freaky> !server
#243 [08:40] <GreyVulpine> Please don't spam with the bot
#244 [08:41] <Freaky> I am not spamming bot
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#250 [09:21] <Lkbr1808> Hello can any1 help? When i loggin in it says Internal server Error..
#251 [09:22] <tyteen4a03> Lkbr1808: from Minecraft.net?
#252 [09:22] <Lkbr1808> In to my Minecraft server
#253 [09:24] <tyteen4a03> Lkbr1808: Can you give me the link of the page you tried to access?
#254 [09:24] <Lkbr1808> It is In-Game...
#255 [09:24] <Lkbr1808> I tried to get on my Minecraft server..
#256 [09:24] <GreyVulpine> What is the full error?
#257 [09:24] <Lkbr1808> Dunno it just Internal Server Error
#258 [09:25] <GreyVulpine> Is that all it says?
#259 [09:25] <Lkbr1808> Yea
#260 [09:25] <GreyVulpine> There's always more with an Internal server error.
#261 [09:25] <Lkbr1808> No..
#262 [09:26] <tyteen4a03> Lkbr1808: Can you take a screenshot of the screen that says Internal Server Error and upload it to imgur.com?
#263 [09:26] <Lkbr1808> Disconnected by server.
#264 [09:26] <Lkbr1808> Internal server error
#265 [09:27] <tyteen4a03> Lkbr1808: Does the server console show any error?
#266 [09:28] <Lkbr1808> 2012-03-12 08:27:36 [INFO] Disconnecting xxxOWNIOxxx [/83.89.5.197:50123]: Internal server error 2012-03-12 08:27:36 [WARNING] Failed to handle packet: java.lang.RuntimeException: Permissions manager is not accessable. Is the PermissionsEx plugin enabled? java.lang.RuntimeException: Permissions manager is not accessable. Is the PermissionsEx plugin enabled? at ru.tehkode.permissions.bukkit.PermissionsEx.getPermissionManager(PermissionsEx.java:148) a
#267 [09:28] <Lkbr1808> xxxOWNIOxxx Is me
#268 [09:28] <tyteen4a03> Lkbr1808: did you enable the PermissionsEx plugin?
#269 [09:28] <Lkbr1808> Yea
#270 [09:29] <tyteen4a03> (if you have further enquires please go to #bukkit)
#271 [09:30] <Lkbr1808> GreyVulpine?
#272 [09:31] <Lkbr1808> http://imgur.com/GWAtq
#273 [09:31] <tyteen4a03> Lkbr1808: Please go to #bukkit
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#286 [11:03] <Freaky> !paid freaky71
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#301 [13:10] <space1> um hello
#302 [13:11] <space1> i was wondering what distance from the player tiles still get updated -> crops growing etc
#303 [13:11] <GreyVulpine> 9 chunks away, I believe
#304 [13:11] <space1> does client or server config influence that?
#305 [13:12] <GreyVulpine> With the server's view-distance argument, yes
#306 [13:12] <space1> 9 chunks to all sides or player in the middle?
#307 [13:12] <GreyVulpine> To all sides
#308 [13:12] <space1> i assumed it was a "world" chunk, tried to google the answer but i got so many different posts and figures. one said 14x14 chunks the other 9x9
#309 [13:13] <GreyVulpine> a chunk is 16x16 by 256 high
#310 [13:13] <space1> what is the best way to find out the chunk dimensions on a SMP without being admin? divide the coords by 32?
#311 [13:13] <GreyVulpine> See http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Server.properties for more information on view-distance. For the client, it's hard-coded to 9 chunks
#312 [13:14] <space1> ah thx
#313 [13:14] <GreyVulpine> I'm not sure what you mean by finding out the chunk dimensions.
#314 [13:15] <space1> basically how i can see what is a chunk ingame where it begins and ends
#315 [13:15] <space1> where the corners are
#316 [13:15] <space1> wonder if there is a client side tool to do the math for you
#317 [13:16] <GreyVulpine> Ah, with the coordinates. the first chunk's corner is at 0,0, the opposite is at 15,15
#318 [13:17] <space1> oh boy, so i have to basically try to figure out from spawn..damn
#319 [13:17] <oldtopman> GreyVulpine: Isn't it determined by the client side view distance?
#320 [13:17] <space1> so the next would be from 16,16 to 31,31?
#321 [13:17] <GreyVulpine> Erm, use F3 to pull up the coordinates system, mod the result by 16
#322 [13:18] <space1> i just read the client "far" is 9, server default is 10, server overrides the client if it is lower than the client setting, right?
#323 [13:19] <GreyVulpine> oldtopman - No. the chunks are loaded, but if you have fog up, it just won't draw that far
#324 [13:19] <oldtopman> :o
#325 [13:19] <oldtopman> GreyVulpine: What if you're playing SSP?
#326 [13:19] <GreyVulpine> Again, chunks are loaded to 9 away
#327 [13:19] <oldtopman> :o
#328 [13:20] * oldtopman is stunned by this earth-loading knowledge
#328 [13:20] <space1> i am thinking of a project where i build a giant industry with automatic farms on the outer "ring" of the active chunks and semi automatic in the middle. i guess the hardest part is figuring out the area heh
#329 [13:21] <space1> i guess i will just make a long water trench and see how far stuff is transported
#330 [13:21] <GreyVulpine> Basically, yes.
#331 [13:22] <GreyVulpine> oldtopman - Did you not see the video of the dispenser arrow wall of death, when it was released back in beta?
#332 [13:22] <oldtopman> GreyVulpine: No. Link?
#333 [13:22] <GreyVulpine> Even with fog set to tiny/short, the chunks containing the dispensers would still be loaded.
#334 [13:22] <GreyVulpine> Trying to find it.. it's been a while
#335 [13:23] <space1> i saw an arrow wall that lit the arrows on the floor on fire, if i saw that correctly
#336 [13:23] <DopeGhoti> Morning, folks.
#337 [13:23] <oldtopman> wb DopeGhoti!
#338 [13:23] <Boreeas> Ah, the thing with the Lava-before-arrow-dispensers, right?
#339 [13:24] <Boreeas> Hõla, DopeGhoti
#340 [13:25] <GreyVulpine> Right
#341 [13:25] <space1> the vid i saw was using netherrack on fire
#342 [13:25] <GreyVulpine> The video that was released, was with lava in front of dispensers
#343 [13:26] <Boreeas> I think it's on notch'S tumbler
#344 [13:27] <GreyVulpine> Ah, here it is
#345 [13:27] <GreyVulpine> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewFrgDPCgGA&feature=player_embedded
#346 [13:27] <GreyVulpine> Waaay back in beta 1.2
#347 [13:27] <space1> holy s...
#348 [13:28] <DopeGhoti> (So, I saw that at some point in Understudy's duties as an understudy, it fell over. My apologies.)
#349 [13:29] <space1> that video reminds me of jet li's death in "hero"
#350 [13:29] * GreyVulpine didn't notice that
#350 [13:29] <Boreeas> http://notch.tumblr.com/post/2763747303/i-am-at-least-98-amused-might-be-100-but
#351 [13:29] <Boreeas> Oh, hell, ninja'd to the max
#352 [13:29] * GreyVulpine winks
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#353 [13:40] <MK> Lol
#354 [13:40] <MK> I am looking at the huge mushroom growth code to see if I missed anything
#355 [13:40] <MK> it seems like they should ignore leaves when they grow
#356 [13:42] <MK> Hah, yup.
#357 [13:43] <space1> my wet dream is an update that somehow enables you to automatically harvest huge mushroom or tree blocks
#358 [13:44] <MK> If you grow it with leaves in the exclusion area
#359 [13:44] <MK> it will grow fine, but will not replace leaf blocks
#360 [13:44] <MK> leaving holes in the mushroom
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#362 [13:48] <space1> wait what if you put leaf blocks where the stem is? just the cap grows?
#363 [13:49] <MK> Let me check, I put the stem where the missing logs were
#364 [13:50] <MK> Any place where leaves are, it simply doesn't overwrite it, including the stem
#365 [13:50] <MK> looks pretty ridiculous
#366 [13:51] <MK> They obviously copied the code to make birch trees and forgot to remove the leaf exception
#367 [13:53] <space1> this could help making a huge mushroom "tree" farm, the only problem is nobody really needs that.
#368 [13:53] <space1> unless you really dig fermented spider eyes
#369 [13:53] <MK> :P
#370 [13:55] <space1> well i definetly helps getting the nice looking red mushroom blocks without having to remove the bland colored stem blocks every time with silk touch
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#377 [14:14] <Chris> Because I'm hopeless with the hundreds of bots in here, which one do I pm with what command to check if a server is up?
#378 [14:14] * mrstoy [mrstoy@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#379 [14:14] <GreyVulpine> Either with !check (aubot's), or ;check (Wugbot's)
#380 [14:14] <mrstoy> hello
#381 [14:14] <Chris> thanks
#382 [14:14] <Chris> inb4 connection derps
#383 [14:14] <mrstoy> chris what must i do
#384 [14:15] <Chris> I dunno
#385 [14:15] <Chris> not sure why you joined this channel either
#386 [14:15] <Chris> good choice though
#387 [14:15] <mrstoy> oh
#388 [14:16] <Chris> okay, in brief, can't connect to mrstoy's server, port is supposedly forwarded and working yesterday, IP hasn't changed, supposedly nothing else has either, server-ip is blank
#389 [14:16] <Chris> good luck
#390 [14:16] <GreyVulpine> What ip are you giving other people to join your server? Who's hosting it?
#391 [14:17] <Chris> he's hosting it locally
#392 [14:17] <Chris> using the correct external IP
#393 [14:17] <GreyVulpine> ;check mrstoy
#394 [14:17] <WugBot> Unable to connect to address: 178-116-83-129.access.telenet.be:25565 (Timed out)
#395 [14:17] <Chris> anyway I'll shut up and leave you to it :)
#396 [14:17] <GreyVulpine> Would love more information.
#397 [14:17] <Chris> I'm not sure what else there is to give...
#398 [14:18] <sugoi> Chris: who is hosting it?
#399 [14:18] <Chris> he is
#400 [14:18] <mrstoy> me
#401 [14:18] <GreyVulpine> Give me an idea of the network setup.
#402 [14:18] <Chris> (I'm not related in any way, I'm just from another channel)
#403 [14:18] <GreyVulpine> What is the computer's local ip address? What is it's default gateway?
#404 [14:18] <GreyVulpine> bleh, its*
#405 [14:19] <sugoi> mrstoy: and, are you sharing a hostname or external ip? if an external ip- what ip?
#406 [14:19] <mrstoy> ?
#407 [14:19] <mrstoy> external ip?
#408 [14:19] <sugoi> mrstoy: go to ipchicken.com, what does it say?
#409 [14:19] <mrstoy> 178.116.83.129
#410 [14:19] <sugoi> mrstoy: i'm not trying to cut off grey, his questions are important too :)
#411 [14:20] <sugoi> ;check 178.116.83.129
#412 [14:20] <WugBot> Unable to connect to address: 178.116.83.129:25565 (Timed out)
#413 [14:20] <GreyVulpine> Feel free.
#414 [14:20] <sugoi> :P
#415 [14:20] <sugoi> mrstoy: so assuming you are running mcs, and assuming you are running it on the default port
#416 [14:20] <GreyVulpine> I'd love to know what computer you're hosting it on, what operating system is it running? How have you set up the networking for it?
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#418 [14:21] <mrstoy> what i dont understand it
#419 [14:21] <sugoi> given they said it was working yesterday, i bet the local ip changed and the router is forwarding to the wrong box
#420 [14:21] <GreyVulpine> That would be my first assumption
#421 [14:21] <Chris> as far as I can tell, the local ip remained the same
#422 [14:21] <Chris> no guarantees on that though :)
#423 [14:22] <RobinJ> apparently you need something called "spout" for the mobdisguise bukkit plugin, but hwere can i get it?
#424 [14:22] <GreyVulpine> mrstoy - Running windows? Mac? *nix?
#425 [14:22] <mrstoy> wwindows
#426 [14:22] <Chris> RobinJ, have a look on bukkitdev
#427 [14:22] <Chris> windows
#428 [14:22] <sugoi> RobinJ: sprout*
#429 [14:22] <Chris> spout*
#430 [14:22] <RobinJ> ah
#431 [14:22] <GreyVulpine> RobinJ - http://dev.bukkit.org/server-mods/spout/
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#433 [14:22] <sugoi> oh, yeah, spout..
#434 [14:22] <Chris> didn't realise you needed spout for it though o.o
#435 [14:22] <sugoi> silly brain, drugs are for kids
#436 [14:23] <RobinJ> chris: i dont remember needing it either, but i heard something about it in a youtube vid, and currently it doesnt work
#437 [14:23] <sugoi> RobinJ: i'd refer to mobdisguise's site to confirm what it requires
#438 [14:23] <sugoi> RobinJ: i'd refer to mobdisguise's site to confirm what it requires
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#440 [14:23] <mrstoy> so what must i do now
#441 [14:24] <Chris> RobinJ, are you getting UnknownDependencyExceptions?
#442 [14:24] <GreyVulpine> mrstoy - Could you answer some of our questions? What operating system is the server running? Windows? Mac? Linux?
#443 [14:24] <Chris> [05:22] <mrstoy> wwindows
#444 [14:24] <mrstoy> windows
#445 [14:24] <RobinJ> dont have a clue what kind of error it is
#446 [14:24] <GreyVulpine> mrstoy - What version of windows?
#447 [14:24] <mrstoy> 7 i think
#448 [14:25] <GreyVulpine> mrstoy - So, I'm assuming you've downloaded minecraft_server.exe from minecraft.net/download, and ran that, correct?
#449 [14:25] <Chris> *cough* bukkit *cough*
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#451 [14:25] <chew> http://zhuk.in/c97
#452 [14:25] <mrstoy> i use craftbukkit
#453 [14:25] <sugoi> dun dun dunnnn
#454 [14:25] <sugoi> hehe
#455 [14:25] <sugoi> chew: ?
#456 [14:25] <Chris> don't click chew's link, it effs with your eyes :D
#457 [14:25] <sugoi> ;kick chew not for this channel
#458 [14:25] * WugBot kicked chew from #minecrafthelp (Reason: hew :not for this channel)
#459 [14:25] <GreyVulpine> Alright then. What is the local ip address of the computer? You can find this by going to your command prompt, and putting in: ipconfig
#460 [14:26] <mrstoy> 192.168.2.2
#461 [14:26] <GreyVulpine> And the default gateway is 2.1, correct?
#462 [14:26] <mrstoy> no 255.255.255.0
#463 [14:26] <GreyVulpine> That would be the subnet mask
#464 [14:26] <GreyVulpine> What is the default gateway?
#465 [14:26] <mrstoy> oh
#466 [14:26] <mrstoy> yeah
#467 [14:27] <mrstoy> 192.168.2.1
#468 [14:27] <sugoi> mrstoy: can you test from another machine you can connect to 192.168.2.2 (in minecraft)
#469 [14:27] <sugoi> mrstoy: from your same network
#470 [14:27] <sugoi> i.e. local/lan
#471 [14:27] <GreyVulpine> Alright. When you went to 192.168.2.1 in your browser to bring up your router's configuration page, did you port forward 25565 to 2.2?
#472 [14:27] <mrstoy> euh 2.2 i think
#473 [14:28] <GreyVulpine> mrstoy - Could you please double check your router for the port forwarding rule?
#474 [14:28] <mrstoy> ?
#475 [14:28] <mrstoy> how
#476 [14:28] <Chris> same way you set it
#477 [14:28] <GreyVulpine> How did you port forward in the first place?
#478 [14:28] <Chris> make sure it's still there
#479 [14:28] <GreyVulpine> (I'm also betting on double-NAT)
#480 [14:28] <mrstoy> from a website
#481 [14:28] <GreyVulpine> How did you get to that website?
#482 [14:28] <mrstoy> just typed in port-forwarding
#483 [14:29] <sugoi> :)
#484 [14:29] <GreyVulpine> Okay then. In your browser, in a new tab or window, please put in: http://192.168.2.1
#485 [14:29] <GreyVulpine> This should bring up your router's config page. Log in as necessary
#486 [14:29] <mrstoy> and then
#487 [14:29] <GreyVulpine> What do you see?
#488 [14:30] <GreyVulpine> What is the model or brand of the router that you see on the page?
#489 [14:30] <mrstoy> uh
#490 [14:31] <mrstoy> idk i dont see model or brand
#491 [14:31] <GreyVulpine> What do you see then?
#492 [14:31] <mrstoy> oh no
#493 [14:31] <mrstoy> g2g
#494 [14:31] <Chris> do you see NetGear, Belkin, Linksys or any other brands?
#495 [14:31] <mrstoy> belkin
#496 [14:31] <mrstoy> 54g
#497 [14:31] <mrstoy> g2g
#498 [14:31] * Chris </3 belkin
#498 [14:31] <mrstoy> bye
#499 [14:32] * GreyVulpine blehs
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#500 [14:33] <sugoi> Chris: so the ip was 2.2 yesterday?
#501 [14:33] <Chris> that's what he told me
#502 [14:34] <MI6whitewolf> Anyone pro at towny/bukkit issues? i got a hard one
#503 [14:34] <sugoi> MI6whitewolf: #bukkit would be more likely
#504 [14:34] <Chris> yeah sure why not
#505 [14:35] <MI6whitewolf> #bukkit couldnt help :(
#506 [14:35] <Chris> What's wrong?
#507 [14:35] <MI6whitewolf> nether could #towny lol
#508 [14:35] <sugoi> well hopefully Chris can then :)
#509 [14:36] <sugoi> just make sure vanilla questions in here get priority
#510 [14:36] * sugoi goes back to work
#510 [14:36] <Chris> I don't do support for vanilla \o/ I just idle here
#511 [14:36] <MI6whitewolf> with towny on when res are in wild they can set place switch, easy right? after setting wilderness to true. they still cant as well as there is no more error message. everything else works. useing perms set to false as well
#512 [14:36] <MI6whitewolf> cant*
#513 [14:37] <Chris> I don't really understand you
#514 [14:37] <MI6whitewolf> town residents cannot do anything in the "wilderness"
#515 [14:38] <Chris> I assume that they can do anything in the registered areas then?
#516 [14:38] <MI6whitewolf> only area they can is inside town border
#517 [14:38] <Chris> lemme just have a squizz at towny config
#518 [14:40] <MI6whitewolf> http://mibpaste.com/TLNRwo
#519 [14:40] <Chris> that works too :P
#520 [14:41] <Chris> any chance of using pastebin.com?
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#522 [14:42] <sugoi> mibpaste is such a joke
#523 [14:42] <Chris> agreed
#524 [14:43] <MI6whitewolf> thats what used but it changed it to mibpaist
#525 [14:44] <Chris> ...pastie.org?
#526 [14:44] <MI6whitewolf> i lcicked paistbin at the bottom
#527 [14:44] <sugoi> !=
#528 [14:44] <Chris> ah
#529 [14:44] <Chris> no
#530 [14:44] <Chris> you need pastebin.com
#531 [14:44] <sugoi> s/\n/, /
#532 [14:44] <Chris> :'(
#533 [14:45] <MI6whitewolf> http://pastebin.com/Yw3q9KeY
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#535 [14:47] <Chris> MI6whitewolf, make sure that the world configs are not blocking this, To make changes for each world edit the settings in the relevant worlds data file 'plugins/Towny/data/worlds/'
#536 [14:47] <MI6whitewolf> i have not changed anysettings in world edit, i could remove it if needed
#537 [14:47] <maymonaise> i tunrned on my server and tryed to connect to it, It said downloading terrain for about 5 minutes then stopped responding whats the porblem?
#538 [14:47] <Chris> not worldedit
#539 [14:48] <Chris> 'plugins/Towny/data/worlds/'
#540 [14:48] <MI6whitewolf> er world guard yea
#541 [14:48] <Chris> towny
#542 [14:48] <Chris> nothing to do with world*
#543 [14:48] <maymonaise> i tunrned on my server and tryed to connect to it, It said downloading terrain for about 5 minutes then stopped responding whats the porblem?
#544 [14:48] * Chris pokes sugoi
#544 [14:48] <sugoi> ouch
#545 [14:48] <maymonaise> i tunrned on my server and tryed to connect to it, It said downloading terrain for about 5 minutes then stopped responding whats the porblem?
#546 [14:48] <sugoi> maymonaise: um
#547 [14:49] <sugoi> maymonaise: hey!
#548 [14:49] <maymonaise> rawr :(
#549 [14:49] <sugoi> no reason to spam, bro
#550 [14:49] <maymonaise> no one answers i get mad i rage alot xD
#551 [14:49] <MI6whitewolf> ohhhh yes they both are set to true in global and in towny world folder
#552 [14:49] <sugoi> maymonaise: did things work previously? new world? updated server?
#553 [14:50] <maymonaise> the server was updated not the world but it has been working we updated about 1 week ago
#554 [14:50] <Calinou> is it your server?
#555 [14:50] <sugoi> ok, just to clarify, it has been running on the update
#556 [14:50] <maymonaise> yes
#557 [14:50] <Calinou> _on your local machine_?
#558 [14:51] <maymonaise> and yes
#559 [14:51] <Calinou> connect to "localhost"?
#560 [14:51] <Chris> MI6whitewolf, yay it's official, I have no idea
#561 [14:51] <Calinou> was the world correctly converted to 1.2 without any errors?
#562 [14:51] <MI6whitewolf> :(
#563 [14:51] <Chris> your best bet is probably idle in #towny until ElgarL comes back (if ever)
#564 [14:52] <maymonaise> yes it was converted perfectly
#565 [14:52] <maymonaise> and yes the local host is working
#566 [14:53] <sugoi> MI6whitewolf: a GENERAL guideline for troubleshooting is to try to isolate the problem, in your case this means: make a fresh world with no perms and no settings, then try to prove 1 feature at a time and separated (meaning, clean slate test for each feature, not overlapping)
#567 [14:53] <maymonaise> my upload and download speeds are 10.77 = download and 8/65 = upload if that helps
#568 [14:53] <maymonaise> :(
#569 [14:54] <sugoi> MI6whitewolf: once you can prove each, then try combining rules, and continue until it fully works or you can uniquely state the problem area
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#572 [14:54] <sugoi> maymonaise: does it happen to all players?
#573 [14:55] <Skilldo> hello i have a problem !
#574 [14:55] <sugoi> ?? help
#575 [14:55] <VoxelHead> help: To use this service, there are several commands. ?? will answer a FAQ in-channel. ??< will privately send you the answer to a FAQ. ??> will answer a FAQ in channel with attention to the person you specify. ??>> will do the same, only privately
#576 [14:55] <VoxelHead> help: For a list of FAQs I can answer (or more accurately, a link to one), check the keyword 'index' with '??< index'
#577 [14:55] <sugoi> derp!
#578 [14:55] <sugoi> Skilldo: just ask :)
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#581 [14:55] <maymonaise> im not sure the server is private ATM and people have tried to connect andit says in the server bat file that they cant connect or "refused connect"
#582 [14:55] <maymonaise> and it*
#583 [14:56] <sugoi> server log* file?
#584 [14:56] <maymonaise> no the server window running in cmd
#585 [14:56] <sugoi> and the server says it refused, not the players?
#586 [14:56] <Skilldo> Okay i have bought my minecraft 9 days ago and today my account doesnt work and theres no support and i dont know what i should do now
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#588 [14:56] <sugoi> ok, the server output/log, not bat (but semantics)
#589 [14:56] <sugoi> Skilldo: ruh ro
#590 [14:56] <GreyVulpine> Skilldo - Did you buy minecraft from minecraft.net?
#591 [14:56] <Skilldo> no
#592 [14:56] <sugoi> :(
#593 [14:57] * sugoi gives Skilldo a cookie
#593 [14:57] <maymonaise> no it says the player E.X this is what it says when i try to connect. "68.229.66.66 maymonaise user failed connect"
#594 [14:57] <GreyVulpine> Then there's nothing Mojang can do about it. Contact the seller, or your bank and get your money back
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#596 [14:57] * Lucker187 slaps Skilldo around a bit with a large trout
#596 [14:57] <GreyVulpine> You were most likely scammed, Skilldo
#597 [14:57] <GreyVulpine> Please see - http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/329541-i-was-premium-now-i-m-not-
#598 [14:58] <sugoi> maymonaise: i understand -- moving on. how many players does this happen to?
#599 [14:58] <maymonaise> all of them
#600 [14:58] <sugoi> maymonaise: when you last logged out, did anything funny/buggy happen?
#601 [14:58] <Skilldo> okay thanks for help but i have seen this allready ;) but it doesnt help me with my problem xD but okay i will kontakt the seller
#602 [14:58] <maymonaise> tno
#603 [14:58] <sugoi> maymonaise: did the server crash or get shut down irregularly?
#604 [14:58] <maymonaise> no*
#605 [14:59] <maymonaise> no
#606 [14:59] <maymonaise> never crashed before
#607 [14:59] <sugoi> Skilldo: next time, buy directly from the game's site: minecraft.net
#608 [14:59] <maymonaise> shutodnw / restart once a day
#609 [14:59] * sugoi zugs
#609 [14:59] * sugoi zugs
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#610 [15:00] <sugoi> maymonaise: so no one can log in, not even the admin locally?
#611 [15:00] <maymonaise> no
#612 [15:00] <sugoi> no = no one can ?
#613 [15:00] <sugoi> s/=/==/
#614 [15:01] <maymonaise> no
#615 [15:01] <sugoi> maymonaise: now i'm confused, 'no' what?
#616 [15:01] <maymonaise> no one can connect not even an admin locally
#617 [15:02] <GreyVulpine> Firewall/security policy on the computer blocking connections?
#618 [15:02] <maymonaise> no
#619 [15:02] <sugoi> GreyVulpine: it starts to download and the clients then fail
#620 [15:02] <Chris> GreyVulpine, it wouldn't make it as far as it gets if there were afaik
#621 [15:02] <MI6whitewolf> sugoi i have created a brand new server setup with only chestshop/iconomy/lockett. and towny installed. same issue
#622 [15:02] * sugoi notes grey may not have read the entire discussion
#622 [15:03] <DopeGhoti> MI6whitewolf: try removing the mods and seeing whether the issue persists.
#623 [15:03] <GreyVulpine> Would if there's some sort of filtering being done that's not completely hosing the connection
#624 [15:03] <Chris> true
#625 [15:03] <sugoi> MI6whitewolf: 1. it was a general troubleshooting guideline; i don't have the answer, and 2. it SOUNDS like you recreated the scenario exactly and you didn't try to isolate the features you were trying to use
#626 [15:04] <sugoi> DopeGhoti: it's a mod thing he's working for
#627 [15:04] <GreyVulpine> I've seen similar issues with firewalls like comodo and zonealarm, where it doesn't block the connection, but causes network problems
#628 [15:04] <sugoi> maymonaise: the server is definitely unhappy, tell the admin to 'move' the players folder and try to log in - could be bad placements
#629 [15:04] <Chris> ??< help
#630 [15:05] <Chris> ugh I really need to remember my bots
#631 [15:05] <sugoi> maymonaise: also, the admin may have killed the server once, and the chunks are corrupted, fix with mcedit
#632 [15:05] <Chris> ??< index
#633 [15:05] <sugoi> Chris: http://paste.ubuntu.com/873626/
#634 [15:05] <Chris> waaay too much detail \o/
#635 [15:05] <MI6whitewolf> sugoi quick question. would there be any reason an OP can do what i want but none ops cant
#636 [15:05] <sugoi> maymonaise: also, have the admin try to log in from 'localhost'
#637 [15:06] <sugoi> MI6whitewolf: sure, ops override perms
#638 [15:06] <sugoi> it's the trump card
#639 [15:06] <MI6whitewolf> so its a perm somewhere in this mess
#640 [15:06] <maymonaise> ok thanks ill try brb
#641 [15:06] <sugoi> sounds like it
#642 [15:07] * Chris just realised he has a double-nat going on at work... not that I host a minecraft server there, nor does it actually matter
#642 [15:07] <MI6whitewolf> what effects perms besides a perm plugin and towny itself?
#643 [15:07] <GreyVulpine> I sorta kinda miss having to deal with people's crazy double-NAT setup around here.
#644 [15:07] <GreyVulpine> Used to see a bunch of them when I first started out here.
#645 [15:08] <Chris> I have a decent understanding of how stuff works, so I rarely actually go for tech support :P
#646 [15:08] * GreyVulpine hehs and nods
#646 [15:08] <sugoi> MI6whitewolf: i would have to know more about the mod
#647 [15:08] <Chris> I actually do Essentials tech support, which is where I found whoever that was before
#648 [15:08] <sugoi> MI6whitewolf: that isn't a solicitation
#649 [15:10] <sugoi> Chris: [this] machine is connected via frontier - their tech support is the best i've ever dealt with, seriously 2nd question in they know i'm not a noob and we skip 10 minutes of 'unplug' your router. they rock. also i kept buying new routers (w/ my service i dont need a modem, direct connect) and i needed to re-register each one - so they just explained how i can do that myself and save a call
#650 [15:10] <MI6whitewolf> ok so ONLY towny itself and bukkit are installed same issue....i guess this is going to be another all dayer for me...thanks anyway
#651 [15:10] <sugoi> good ppl, kinda sad i don't have reason to call them anymore
#652 [15:10] <sugoi> MI6whitewolf: good luck
#653 [15:11] <Chris> should've seen me on a tech support phone call to Belkin once, *never* using their routers again
#654 [15:11] <GreyVulpine> Hate belkin routers
#655 [15:11] <Chris> got an N900, had to get it replaced twice in a month
#656 [15:11] <Chris> we got a refund and got a much better but far from perfect Netgear
#657 [15:12] <maymonaise> sugoi it didnt work
#658 [15:13] <sugoi> maymonaise: you tried all 4 suggestions?
#659 [15:13] <maymonaise> sugoi yes
#660 [15:13] <sugoi> i don't think it was 4, i think it was 3, but you said yes anyways
#661 [15:14] <sugoi> maybe someone is fibbing? :)
#662 [15:14] <maymonaise> sugoi you get the point i tried them all none worked
#663 [15:14] <sugoi> sec
#664 [15:15] <sugoi> maymonaise: one of the suggestions take a bit longer
#665 [15:15] <sugoi> mcedit resave to fix chunks
#666 [15:15] <maymonaise> ?
#667 [15:15] <sugoi> i don't think you tried that one
#668 [15:15] <maymonaise> ok ill try
#669 [15:16] <sugoi> but you moved player files? no good?
#670 [15:16] <sugoi> maymonaise: btw, vanilla server/clients? version?
#671 [15:17] <maymonaise> sugoi 1.2.3
#672 [15:17] <maymonaise> sugoi server clients?
#673 [15:18] <sugoi> maymonaise: the '/' implied i want to know for bother server and for client
#674 [15:18] <sugoi> are they vanilla?
#675 [15:18] <sugoi> bother?
#676 [15:18] <maymonaise> sugoi sorry whats vinilla
#677 [15:18] <sugoi> s/bother/both the/
#678 [15:18] <sugoi> ?? vanilla
#679 [15:18] <VoxelHead> vanilla: vanilla (adj.): Bland; original; with no garnish. In the context of Minecraft, a server or client with no mods, skins, texture packs, or other customizations.
#680 [15:19] <maymonaise> sugoi oh no not vanilla
#681 [15:19] <sugoi> maymonaise: then what?
#682 [15:19] <maymonaise> sugoi what plugins?
#683 [15:20] <sugoi> why are you asking me? i don't know what you installed :)
#684 [15:20] <sugoi> maymonaise: ah, i see the 'question' now
#685 [15:20] <maymonaise> sugoi chest shop essentials founddiamond groupmanager iconomy jobs
#686 [15:20] <sugoi> maymonaise: is the server bukkit? or the clients spout?
#687 [15:20] <maymonaise> wait mroe
#688 [15:20] <sugoi> maymonaise: i don't want to know all the mods
#689 [15:20] <maymonaise> lockette j
#690 [15:20] <maymonaise> lol ok
#691 [15:20] <maymonaise> bukkit
#692 [15:20] <sugoi> and the clients?
#693 [15:21] <maymonaise> ?
#694 [15:21] <sugoi> are they modded
#695 [15:21] <maymonaise> lol sorry im new at this
#696 [15:21] <maymonaise> not sure what the clients are
#697 [15:21] <sugoi> client == the player's game
#698 [15:21] <maymonaise> oh no there not modded
#699 [15:21] <maymonaise> i dont have any textures either
#700 [15:22] <sugoi> maymonaise: so i would run the server with the vanilla server, and see if connections work
#701 [15:22] <maymonaise> ok brb
#702 [15:22] * sugoi points to minecraft.net/download
#702 [15:23] <maymonaise> yes it works vanilla
#703 [15:23] <sugoi> ^o^
#704 [15:24] <maymonaise> lol
#705 [15:24] <sugoi> not sure if that's a big nosed smile, or a bat
#706 [15:24] <maymonaise> -.-
#707 [15:24] <maymonaise> lol
#708 [15:24] <maymonaise> both
#709 [15:24] <sugoi> :)
#710 [15:24] <sugoi> bat with a big nose
#711 [15:24] <sugoi> anywho
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#713 [15:24] <sugoi> maymonaise: at this point you'll need to find what bukkit feature is causing the problem
#714 [15:24] <maymonaise> ah ha
#715 [15:25] <sugoi> maymonaise: i'll leave that up to you :)
#716 [15:25] <maymonaise> and that means taking them off one by one right :'(
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#718 [15:25] <sugoi> maymonaise: that is one method, yes - first I'd remove all the mods, and prove bukkit is fine
#719 [15:25] <maymonaise> ok thank you!
#720 [15:25] <sugoi> then, if you have LOTS of mods, a binary search can help too
#721 [15:25] <maymonaise> :)
#722 [15:25] <sugoi> maymonaise: meaning, put in half
#723 [15:25] <maymonaise> i have like 10
#724 [15:25] <Lucker187> Evening is here by chance, a German Admin can help me =)
#725 [15:26] <maymonaise> ok thanks bye
#726 [15:26] <Wug> Lucker187: I think Boreeas can speak german
#727 [15:26] * sugoi jabs Boreeas
#727 [15:27] * _303 erdolcht Boreeas
#727 [15:28] * Lucker187 slaps Boreeas around a bit with a large trout
#727 [15:28] * Chris runs up, steals the trout then runs away
#727 [15:28] <sugoi> Lucker187: you can try google translate :) haha
#728 [15:28] <Lucker187> Oh jea x)
#729 [15:29] <sugoi> schau mich an, ich spreche Deutsch
#730 [15:29] <Lucker187> German is what?
#731 [15:29] <sugoi> haha
#732 [15:29] <sugoi> "look at me, i speak german"
#733 [15:29] <sugoi> :)
#734 [15:30] <Lucker187> sag mal gibt es hier admins die daten einsehen können ?
#735 [15:30] <Lucker187> z.b. acc sperrung (Premium)
#736 [15:31] <sugoi> Lucker187: what is 'z.b.' ?
#737 [15:31] <sugoi> ah
#738 [15:31] <sugoi> e.g.
#739 [15:32] <Boreeas> Was?
#740 [15:32] <Lucker187> z.b. for example
#741 [15:32] <sugoi> Lucker187: yeah, z.b. == e.g.
#742 [15:32] <sugoi> Boreeas: translate bro!
#743 [15:32] <Lucker187> ok sorry
#744 [15:32] <Boreeas> sugoi: Alles klar ;)
#745 [15:32] <sugoi> Lucker187: no 'sorry' :)
#746 [15:33] * sugoi hugs google translate
#746 [15:33] <Boreeas> Lucker187: Ist dein account gesperrt worden?
#747 [15:33] <Lucker187> @Boreeas: Jea und wollte fragen warum =(
#748 [15:33] * sugoi sees "has your accoutn been locked?"
#748 [15:33] * sugoi sees "yes, and wanted to ask why"
#748 [15:34] <Boreeas> didntreadlol
#749 [15:34] <sugoi> i don't have the char set, but what is "können" ?
#750 [15:35] <_303> "could"
#751 [15:35] <sugoi> like konnte
#752 [15:35] <Boreeas> Lucker187: Was für einen Fehler siehst du wenn du versuchst, dich einzuloggen?
#753 [15:35] <Lucker187> use not Premium
#754 [15:36] * sugoi sees "what error do you see when you try to log in?"
#754 [15:36] <_303> !paid Lucker187
#755 [15:36] <sugoi> Lucker187: Was ist Ihr Benutzername
#756 [15:37] <Lucker187> Lucker187
#757 [15:37] <Lucker187> x)
#758 [15:37] <sugoi> Lucker187: habt ihr aber das Spiel von minecraft.net?
#759 [15:37] <Lucker187> habe den Code von einem sehr gutem freund
#760 [15:37] <Boreeas> Lucker187: Voerher hat dein Freund den Code?
#761 [15:37] <sugoi> hat er es kaufen von minecraft.net
#762 [15:37] <sugoi> :)
#763 [15:38] <Boreeas> *Woher ;)
#764 [15:38] <Lucker187> mmoga sag er gerade
#765 [15:38] <Boreeas> Mhm
#766 [15:38] <Boreeas> Da ist er vermutlich auf einen Betrug reingefallen
#767 [15:38] <sugoi> :(
#768 [15:39] <Lucker187> sugoi you use the translator of google?
#769 [15:39] <sugoi> kannst du nur, aber das Spiel aus minecraft.net
#770 [15:39] <sugoi> Lucker187: yes :)
#771 [15:39] <Lucker187> @Boreeas ok danke
#772 [15:39] <Boreeas> Nur Minecraft verkauft echte accounts - bei allen anderen Websites wirst du normalerweise abgezockt
#773 [15:39] <Boreeas> Sorry :|
#774 [15:39] <sugoi> Lucker187: why? is it really bad? :( haha
#775 [15:39] <Lucker187> das ist ja dan jetzt ärgerlich =(
#776 [15:40] * sugoi considers improving his irc charset
#776 [15:40] <sugoi> silly umlouts
#777 [15:40] * sugoi considers the spelling of oomlouts...
#777 [15:40] <Lucker187> Oh yes it is probably not too bad tonight minecraft
#778 [15:41] <sugoi> k'oh! i was right the first time
#779 [15:41] <sugoi> no, umlaut*
#780 [15:41] <sugoi> ok :)
#781 [15:41] <sugoi> Lucker187: was my google-translate-german really bad?
#782 [15:42] * Chris throws a mudkip at sugoi randomly
#782 [15:42] <Lucker187> No English-German is perfectly proper, thumbs, up
#783 [15:43] * sugoi rolls d20 8, +1 reflex save, 9
#783 [15:43] <sugoi> Chris: did i dodge?
#784 [15:43] <Chris> nope
#785 [15:43] <Chris> you got hit
#786 [15:43] <sugoi> Lucker187: WOOT!
#787 [15:43] <Chris> you must now open mudkipz.ws :)
#788 [15:43] <sugoi> doh
#789 [15:44] <Chris> or look at Chris|Detached's amazing RDNS
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#791 [15:45] <Lucker187> @sugoi I understand you well
#792 [15:46] <sugoi> ha, we don't need Boreeas
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#797 [16:02] <Boreeas> sugoi: Sorry, working on a paper that is due tomorrow at the same time ;)
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#806 [16:52] <Lucker187> Would any one time admin contact me? (Personal)
#807 [16:54] <Lucker187> @Boreeas ?
#808 [16:54] <Boreeas> Lucker187: Hmm?
#809 [16:54] <Lucker187> Darf ich dich nochmal Stören
#810 [16:55] <Boreeas> Kalr
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#812 [16:56] <Bambusstock> Hello Guys. Quick question. I searched the web no results. Is it possible that in 1.2.3 ores regenerate? I visited a mine from a version before and there are new ores. I definitley visited the branch. Also there are the same formations. Could it be, because the converting of the old maps?
#813 [16:56] <Lucker187> undzwar hatten wir ja vor zirka 30 min wegen meinem acc geschriben weil ich kein Premium mehr habe kannst du die Daten einsehen und mir eventuel sagen ob ich schonmal Premium hatte und wiso ihr mir das wegenommen hat (wen ihr das mir wegenommen habt)
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#817 [16:57] <Boreeas> "Wir" haben dir nichts weggenommen - wir sind hier alles freiwillige, keine Angestellten von Mojang
#818 [16:57] <Boreeas> "Wir" haben dir nichts weggenommen - wir sind hier alles freiwillige, keine Angestellten von Mojang
#819 [16:57] <mnjiman> what is a decent mod one can use to add items to the game? The game bugged on me and pushed me through dirt or some shit
#820 [16:58] <Boreeas> Wir können aber kontrollieren, ob du im Moment in der Datenbank als "Premium" eingetragen bist
#821 [16:58] <Lucker187> Das währe nett ja
#822 [16:58] <mrstoy> can somebody elp me with my server
#823 [16:58] <Boreeas> ;hp Lucker187
#824 [16:58] <WugBot> Lucker187 has NOT paid for minecraft.
#825 [16:58] <Boreeas> Lucker187: Nö, du stehst da immer noch als "Nicht Premium"
#826 [16:59] <Lucker187> wie wo schaust du den nach ?
#827 [16:59] <mrstoy> does somebody speak enghlish?
#828 [16:59] <mnjiman> no
#829 [16:59] <Boreeas> Lucker187: https://www.minecraft.net/haspaid.jsp?user=Lucker187
#830 [16:59] <Boreeas> mrstoy: Most in here do
#831 [17:00] <mrstoy> ah can u help me with my craftbukkit server plz?
#832 [17:00] <Boreeas> mrstoy: Please join #bukkit for craftbukkit support
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#834 [17:01] <Bambusstock> Jemand ne ahnung ob sich Erze in Minen regenerieren? :D
#835 [17:02] <Lucker187> @Boreeas Weist du wo ich mich direckt an mojang wenden kann ?
#836 [17:03] <Boreeas> Lucker187: http://help.mojang.com/ | Must du aber Englsih für können
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#839 [17:04] <Boreeas> Bambusstock: Normalerweise nicht, aber ich weiss nicht, in wie fern die Konvertierung zum Anvil-Format da was geändert hat
#840 [17:04] <Bambusstock> Scheint so. Danke. :)
#841 [17:04] <Bambusstock> Scheint so. Danke. :)
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#844 [17:04] <MediMike> Hello!
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#846 [17:06] <MediMike> Does anyone know anything about Modloader?
#847 [17:07] <GreyVulpine> Modloader people are at #risucraft
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#852 [17:33] <Magiobiwan> Ha GreyVulpine! My team defeated yours!
#853 [17:34] <GreyVulpine> I'm... er, what?
#854 [17:34] <Magiobiwan> In the IdleRPG
#855 [17:34] <Wug> lol
#856 [17:34] <Magiobiwan> I suppose my leveling method isn't the most fair
#857 [17:35] <Magiobiwan> I set up a bouncer here so I never leave
#858 [17:35] <GreyVulpine> I haven't looked at #idle at all. Supressed everything from that channel.
#859 [17:36] <Wug> lol
#860 [17:38] * Magiobiwan is bored
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#862 [17:51] <nesmoth> hi guys, since yesterday everytime I open mincraft after playing for a few seconds, the game shut down by itself, any idea of what could be?
#863 [17:51] <GreyVulpine> Got any error messages? Any error logs or reports?
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#865 [17:52] <Wug> did you update java between now and then?
#866 [17:52] <Wug> well, between when it started and when it worked properly last
#867 [17:53] <nesmoth> yeah, got error log on the folder, the other I started playing again, when I open my world it start transforming the world to anvil, after that, every time I opene it, puff it close
#868 [17:54] <nesmoth> already update Java and download the minecraft.exe too
#869 [17:54] <GreyVulpine> Most likely, a bad conversion on the world. Try creating a new world.
#870 [17:55] <nesmoth> no, it happens the same :(
#871 [17:56] <Wug> either that or you had enough memory to run a 128 high world but dont have enough for a 256 high world
#872 [17:56] <GreyVulpine> Could you please share the contents of the error log via pastebin.com and give us the URL?
#873 [17:56] <nesmoth> ok, gonna do it, thks
#874 [17:57] <Wug> I have to run
#875 [17:57] <Wug> class and all
#876 [17:57] <nesmoth> good luck
#877 [18:00] <sugoi> nesmoth: getting the error report?
#878 [18:02] <nesmoth> here http://pastebin.com/bq3AhhQW
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#880 [18:04] <NinjaKirby> I need help! I was about to order a pizza right now, but just realised I had one on Friday just gone. Do you think it's okay for me to eat another?
#881 [18:04] <NinjaKirby> Yes, this is the first place I actually thought of, when confronted with the dilemna
#882 [18:04] <sugoi> nesmoth: it fails on ARBOcclusionQuery (a graphics call)
#883 [18:05] <sugoi> nesmoth: did you recently update/change your graphics drivers/java/card?
#884 [18:05] <NinjaKirby> That lack of response suggests to me it's Awwwwriiiiight, Pizza tiem.
#885 [18:05] <sugoi> NinjaKirby: gf?
#886 [18:06] <nesmoth> eat pizza! XD
#887 [18:06] <NinjaKirby> lol, what's the GF acronym when it's at home?
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#889 [18:07] <sugoi> nesmoth: oh interesting, i think it is also saying 98% of the space for java is in use (line 131)
#890 [18:07] <sugoi> nesmoth: i'm a c# dev, so java dumps are my thing exactly
#891 [18:07] <NinjaKirby> Thanks for the input Nesmoth XD
#892 [18:07] <sugoi> nesmoth: but you can increase the memory allocated for java
#893 [18:08] <nesmoth> so it could be just because there is no available space?
#894 [18:08] <sugoi> nesmoth: also, you have 64bit windows, but are running 32bit java
#895 [18:08] <sugoi> nesmoth: i would do two things
#896 [18:09] <sugoi> optional: get 64 bit java (i see you have 6 update 31 for 32 bit, great! but get the same version but for 64bit)
#897 [18:09] <sugoi> more important (but do after the optional if you choose to do that)
#898 [18:09] <nesmoth> ok
#899 [18:10] <sugoi> increase your java memory - go to control panel => java => java tab => view (runtime settings) => runtime parameters "-Xmx3072m", click ok (twice to close both windows)
#900 [18:10] <sugoi> and then try again
#901 [18:11] <nesmoth> oh great, gonna download now the x64 version
#902 [18:11] <nesmoth> thks a lot sugoi
#903 [18:11] <sugoi> nesmoth: ok, and my 2nd step is important
#904 [18:12] <nesmoth> yes
#905 [18:12] <sugoi> nesmoth: when you've installed java 64 bit, if you didn't remove the 32 bit (which you can), the java control panel tool (as i explained ^) will show you both, make sure 64 bit is default (top), and that the memory value i gave is on the right one (you can acutally giev that setting to both)
#906 [18:12] <nesmoth> oh ok, great tip!
#907 [18:13] <nesmoth> thanks again bro
#908 [18:14] <sugoi> nesmoth: btw, up above in my comments to you, i typo'd, i said "i'm a c# dev, so java dumps are my thing", i meant "aren't" :) but the 'dump' details have the same basic idea
#909 [18:15] <sugoi> nesmoth: btw, that memory value should be fine, i saw you have 8GB of ram
#910 [18:15] <sugoi> nesmoth: on one machine i can go up to ~7GB for java, if you want, see how high you can push that :)
#911 [18:15] <sugoi> at some point, java fails to start, so you'll want to reduce it
#912 [18:15] <sugoi> 3GB is quite safe
#913 [18:15] <sugoi> with your available ram
#914 [18:16] <nesmoth> cool yeah, I have that ram because I work with graphic design
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#916 [18:19] <sugoi> nesmoth: why do you ahve both nvidia and ati related dll's?
#917 [18:20] <GreyVulpine> Wah? where?
#918 [18:22] <Boreeas> Because the more the better
#919 [18:24] <sugoi> i'm only referring to the path variable: PATH=C:\Program Files (x86)\AMD APP\bin\x86_64; ... C:\Program Files (x86)\NVIDIA Corporation\PhysX\Common
#920 [18:24] <sugoi> makes me wonder why he has installed software for both
#921 [18:24] <sugoi> the dump is on the ati, yes, but there appears to be nvidia software as well
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#923 [18:25] <GreyVulpine> Just physx, nothing to worry about
#924 [18:25] <sugoi> being an nvidia-purest, i wasn't sure what it could be (perhaps left over software pre-amd switch)
#925 [18:25] <GreyVulpine> Could be a possibility
#926 [18:25] <sugoi> but does nvidia phsyx run on amd cards too?
#927 [18:25] <GreyVulpine> No
#928 [18:25] <sugoi> ok
#929 [18:28] <sugoi> GreyVulpine: see line 108 and 103
#930 [18:28] <sugoi> are those there only when the jvm is closing due to low memory?
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#932 [18:29] * sugoi hands GreyVulpine http://pastebin.com/bq3AhhQW in case he didn't already have it
#932 [18:30] <andrewxios> have you updated you driver?
#933 [18:32] <GreyVulpine> Eh, the low mem detector will pop up, but doesn't always mean the low mem is a root cause.
#934 [18:32] <GreyVulpine> From the error log there, I'd just say, ati drivers are outdated/out of whack
#935 [18:35] <sugoi> GreyVulpine: low mem detector pops up, ok -- but even the "DestoryJavaVM" ?
#936 [18:35] <GreyVulpine> That's called when java closes.
#937 [18:36] <sugoi> yes but...
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#939 [18:36] <sugoi> does that stack not say "java is closing BECAUSE the low mem detector felt it should"
#940 [18:36] <sugoi> i.e. low mem caused the close
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#942 [18:36] <sugoi> then crashed (i.e. access violation) due to bad line in ati driver
#943 [18:37] <sugoi> but those two are necessarily related
#944 [18:37] <andrewxios> your crash came from an ati dll it was called but in the wrong position so it seems your driver is outdated
#945 [18:37] <sugoi> and the bad driver line could (potentially) be avoided with more memory available (as per my recommendation)
#946 [18:37] <sugoi> andrewxios: not mine, but nesmoth, but i think you're missing my point
#947 [18:38] * mib_3s8o1f [mib_3s8o1f@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#948 [18:38] <sugoi> but i agree, a 'better' ati driver should have helped, but my point is that a better driver would only have allowed java to close 'correctly'
#949 [18:38] <sugoi> s/point/question/
#950 [18:38] <mib_3s8o1f> anyone having thier minecraft freeze while trying to update to 1.2.3
#951 [18:38] <andrewxios> what does memory have something to d o with the driver? lwjgl tries to call a ntive function of the card there is no connection with memory
#952 [18:39] <GreyVulpine> I don't believe it's a low mem problem. The low memory detector will fire when java thinks it doesn't have enough memory.
#953 [18:39] <sugoi> and then what about line 103
#954 [18:39] <GreyVulpine> Destroyjavavm is just called whenever the VM is unloaded
#955 [18:39] <sugoi> andrewxios: it has nothing directly to do with the driver , i'm only to line 103 in the stack
#956 [18:39] <GreyVulpine> I don't believe they're directly related
#957 [18:39] <sugoi> nor do i
#958 [18:40] * sugoi feels misunderstood
#958 [18:40] <mib_3s8o1f> my minecraft freezes randomly during update
#959 [18:40] <mib_3s8o1f> weont update
#960 [18:40] <mib_3s8o1f> wont
#961 [18:40] <sugoi> mib_3s8o1f: try a reinstall
#962 [18:40] <mib_3s8o1f> tried it
#963 [18:40] <GreyVulpine> sugoi - I mean, take this for instance. http://pastebin.com/umXC5upb
#964 [18:40] <mib_3s8o1f> deleted all and reran trhe .exe
#965 [18:41] <mib_3s8o1f> no dice
#966 [18:41] <sugoi> ??> mib_3s8o1f win/reinst
#967 [18:41] <VoxelHead> mib_3s8o1f: (win/reinst) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#968 [18:41] <VoxelHead> mib_3s8o1f: (win/reinst) To do so, press your Windows+R keys, type in %AppData% at the dialog, and press Enter. In the window that appears, open the .minecraft directory, and delete everything except for the saves directory that you see therein. Then, try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
#969 [18:41] <mib_3s8o1f> yup
#970 [18:41] <GreyVulpine> Windows xp, gig and a half of RAM, with an S3 video card.
#971 [18:41] <mib_3s8o1f> went into roaming and deleted all
#972 [18:41] <mib_3s8o1f> nothing
#973 [18:41] <GreyVulpine> It freezes during the update to 1.2.3?
#974 [18:41] <GreyVulpine> Does it stop any on specific file?
#975 [18:42] <sugoi> GreyVulpine: and the fix was what?
#976 [18:42] <sugoi> only a driver?
#977 [18:42] <GreyVulpine> No fix, video card's just way too out of date
#978 [18:42] <mib_3s8o1f> no it stops at random precentages
#979 [18:42] <mib_3s8o1f> 7%, 20% etc....
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#981 [18:43] <GreyVulpine> vticd.dll is a S3 card, I don't think I've seen a card that can handle minecraft
#982 [18:43] <GreyVulpine> mib_3s8o1f - What antivirus do you run?
#983 [18:43] <mib_3s8o1f> AVG
#984 [18:43] <GreyVulpine> That would be why
#985 [18:43] <mib_3s8o1f> think thats it?
#986 [18:43] <sugoi> ok
#987 [18:43] <mib_3s8o1f> hmm lemme try and diable
#988 [18:43] <GreyVulpine> Go into AVG's options, disable the linkscanner module, then update minecraft
#989 [18:43] <mib_3s8o1f> disable
#990 [18:44] <Llirsias> Anyone currently online with opinions/sugestions about java ram quantities when hosted on a ramdisk?
#991 [18:44] <Llirsias> (and java options)
#992 [18:44] <Pashka2> hey ppl. I try to run client using java -cp Minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame username password command, but got exception class not founf. and I haven't seen anything like LauncherFrame class inside jar :\
#993 [18:44] <Pashka2> *not found
#994 [18:45] <GreyVulpine> Pashka2 - Give us the full error please.
#995 [18:45] <mib_3s8o1f> disabled all active scanning on AVG and it updated
#996 [18:45] <mib_3s8o1f> TY
#997 [18:45] <GreyVulpine> Sure thing
#998 [18:46] <Pashka2> sure. just a minute
#999 [18:47] <Pashka2> http://pastebin.com/ZnB6xmjh
#1000 [18:47] <GreyVulpine> Wait, where are you launching minecraft.jar from?
#1001 [18:47] <GreyVulpine> Which minecraft.jar is this?
#1002 [18:48] <Pashka2> from .minecraft/bin directory I guess it is correct
#1003 [18:48] <GreyVulpine> That would be wrong
#1004 [18:48] <Pashka2> hm
#1005 [18:48] <GreyVulpine> You'll want to download the minecraft.jar launcher from minecraft.net/download
#1006 [18:48] <sugoi> the launcher is the jar/exe you download from minecraft directly
#1007 [18:48] <sugoi> ^
#1008 [18:48] <GreyVulpine> the minecraft.jar in the /bin folder, you don't touch
#1009 [18:52] <Pashka2> yep. but launcher couldn't update!
#1010 [18:52] <GreyVulpine> What happens?
#1011 [18:52] <Pashka2> at first I've got <html><body><font color="#808080"><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><center>Failed to update news<br>java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused: connect</center></font></body></html> in main window of the launcher
#1012 [18:52] <GreyVulpine> That would be because you have java 7 installed.
#1013 [18:52] <GreyVulpine> Uninstall it, reinstall 6
#1014 [18:53] <Pashka2> I have never install java 7. ok. I try to reinstall 6
#1015 [18:53] <GreyVulpine> I'm pretty sure you do have java 7 installed
#1016 [18:54] <andrewxios> grey why? i run minecraft with java 7 just fine
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#1018 [18:54] <GreyVulpine> andrewxios - I go through this every couple of weeks.
#1019 [18:55] <GreyVulpine> Java 7 does work for some people. The majority of people that pass through here, don't.
#1020 [18:55] <andrewxios> still odd want to know why that is
#1021 [18:55] <Pashka2> ok. I run:
#1022 [18:55] <Pashka2> I:\Games>java -version
#1023 [18:55] <Pashka2> java version "1.6.0_24"
#1024 [18:55] <Pashka2> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_24-b07)
#1025 [18:55] <Pashka2> Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 19.1-b02, mixed mode)
#1026 [18:56] <sugoi> Pashka2: pastbin!
#1027 [18:56] <GreyVulpine> I find that java 7 has and does cause problems with connectivity on minecraft, especially on windows;
#1028 [18:56] <Pashka2> sorry
#1029 [18:56] <GreyVulpine> Pashka2 - Go to your control panel. Look at add/remove programs, or programs and features.
#1030 [18:56] <GreyVulpine> Java 7, I'm sure, will be listed there
#1031 [18:58] * sugoi recommends pastebin.com to Pashka2 for future pastes (don't use irc for pasting like that)
#1031 [18:58] <GreyVulpine> Pashka2 used pastebin in a previous error.
#1032 [18:58] <sugoi> :)
#1033 [18:59] <Pashka2> no. I can show you screenshot. actually I have a lot of runtime and even jdk due to work needs. but I've never install java 7 before
#1034 [19:00] <Pashka2> ¤sugoi¤ yep yep. I know. I paste more code before as you see. but there was just few lines and I think it is not too much for irc. sorry :)
#1035 [19:00] <GreyVulpine> The majority of times I've seen that error, it's because of Java 7. If it's not that, it's a firewall issue.
#1036 [19:01] <andrewxios> last time i had a memory access violation in mc because i hosted a server and run mc on the same machine
#1037 [19:01] <GreyVulpine> I've just run across that specific error on too many people's computer to dismiss it easily.
#1038 [19:01] <sugoi> Pashka2: it's all good - wasn't upset at all, imo 1 line paste is max for irc
#1039 [19:01] <Pashka2> ok
#1040 [19:01] <GreyVulpine> have also gotten a few people who were insistant on not having java 7 installed that I just want to triple check
#1041 [19:02] <GreyVulpine> Anyhoo, uninstall java, reinstall it. Then check your firewall if it still gives you problems
#1042 [19:03] <Pashka2> but actally I have some other problems with java based software (such as allot netenforcer or cosco web-cluster :) ). I guess there are too many version of jre and jdk that could be a reason why I got all that troubles
#1043 [19:03] <Pashka2> *cisco
#1044 [19:03] <GreyVulpine> Could very well be the cause.
#1045 [19:05] <Pashka2> http://pastebin.com/yXq85bYB :D
#1046 [19:06] <GreyVulpine> Good god that's a lot of versions
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#1048 [19:15] <eicoolguy6> teehee
#1049 [19:15] <eicoolguy6> .timebomb Azru
#1050 [19:16] <eicoolguy6> .help
#1051 [19:16] <sugoi> eicoolguy6: do you have a question about minecraft?
#1052 [19:16] <eicoolguy6> nope just waiting for someone to ask one
#1053 [19:17] <eicoolguy6> i like trains
#1054 [19:17] <Boreeas> eicoolguy6: Please don'T spam this channel
#1055 [19:18] <eicoolguy6> *train hits eicolguy6*
#1056 [19:18] <Boreeas> eicoolguy6: One more warning...
#1057 [19:18] <eicoolguy6> k
#1058 [19:22] <eicoolguy6> does anyone have a qusetion?
#1059 [19:22] <eicoolguy6> question*
#1060 [19:22] <Llirsias> (and java options)
#1061 [19:22] <Llirsias> Anyone currently online with opinions/sugestions about java ram quantities when hosted on a ramdisk?
#1062 [19:22] <xales> eicoolguy6: It's not necessary to ask if people have questions. ._.
#1063 [19:22] <eicoolguy6> ok
#1064 [19:22] <Pashka2> wait a little I have a lot of questions :)
#1065 [19:22] <Boreeas> xales: Ninja :|
#1066 [19:22] <xales> Llirsias: That depends on the number of players, the fact you are using a ramdisk is irrelevant.
#1067 [19:23] <Llirsias> Well somewhat true.
#1068 [19:23] <eicoolguy6> yeah
#1069 [19:23] <eicoolguy6> what he said
#1070 [19:23] <Llirsias> The ram disk affects how fast the java can grab and return files.
#1071 [19:23] <eicoolguy6> if you have a faster ram, the game runs faster, or the server
#1072 [19:23] <DopeGhoti> eicoolguy6: If what you are saying is not a concretely helpful addition to the discussion, please refrain from pointless faffing about.
#1073 [19:24] <Llirsias> Is minecraft only keeping the viable chunks and spawn in memory or is it actually paying attention to where people have been and might return if it has extra free memory.
#1074 [19:24] <DopeGhoti> Using a RAM disk for your world/save directory is nowhere nearly as much of a contribution to server performance as it was before the .mcr map format.
#1075 [19:24] <eicoolguy6> i don't think so
#1076 [19:24] <DopeGhoti> Minecraft keeps the spawn area in RAM at all times, as well as a 'bubble' around all connected clients' locations.
#1077 [19:25] <Boreeas> ;quiet eicoolguy6
#1078 [19:25] <Llirsias> But nothing more?
#1079 [19:25] <Boreeas> eicoolguy6: Remember: Pointless talking. Please don't do it
#1080 [19:25] <DopeGhoti> Lisimba2: there are some exceptions, but essentially, yes.
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#1082 [19:25] <Llirsias> Just didn't know if minecraft was also programed to take advantage of free ram to cach sections of the unused world.
#1083 [19:25] <Llirsias> Just didn't know if minecraft was also programed to take advantage of free ram to cach sections of the unused world.
#1084 [19:26] * eicoolguy6 [eicoolguy6@notlogged] has left #minecrafthelp
#1085 [19:26] <DopeGhoti> No, it doesn't so such cacheing notwithstanding the spawn area.
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#1087 [19:26] <Boreeas> ;dequiet eicoolguy6
#1088 [19:26] <Llirsias> Than that dose answer my question.
#1089 [19:26] <eicoolguy6> im trying to contribute
#1090 [19:27] <eicoolguy6> i have a question
#1091 [19:27] <GreyVulpine> We have answers
#1092 [19:27] <Boreeas> eicoolguy6: Go ahead, ask
#1093 [19:27] <eicoolguy6> what does it mean when a world file becomes corrupt?
#1094 [19:27] <Llirsias> It seems like the new format makes some other commands (third party (worldedit) al lot slower). But greatfull for the new build hight.
#1095 [19:28] <DopeGhoti> The same thing it means when any other file gets corrupted: somehow, invalid data are written to the file, causeing the program that reads it to misbehave.
#1096 [19:28] <eicoolguy6> oh ok
#1097 [19:28] <eicoolguy6> thx
#1098 [19:28] <Llirsias> Or valid data is miss indexed or anumber of things.
#1099 [19:28] <DopeGhoti> That'll be $8
#1100 [19:28] <DopeGhoti> Lisimba2: "are". 'Data' is a plural noun form.
#1101 [19:28] <Boreeas> billable to pay@boreeas.net
#1102 [19:28] <eicoolguy6> and im also ocd about spelling its spelled gratefull
#1103 [19:29] <xales> :|
#1104 [19:29] <GreyVulpine> !def grateful
#1105 [19:29] <GreyBot> Word: grateful [grate·ful]
#1106 [19:29] <Lisimba2> I'm not Llirsias.
#1107 [19:29] <GreyBot> Adjective:  Appreciative of benefits received; thankful.
#1108 [19:29] <GreyBot> Adjective:  Expressing gratitude.
#1109 [19:29] <GreyVulpine> !def gratefull
#1110 [19:29] <GreyBot> Word cannot be found.
#1111 [19:29] <DopeGhoti> gratefull (n) A grate that has been clogged with cat, alpaca, or yak hair or shavings.
#1112 [19:30] <eicoolguy6> oops accidentally hit the L key too many times
#1113 [19:30] <Llirsias> The reall problem is that mirc dose not have a built in spellchecker.
#1114 [19:30] <Llirsias> (very dependant on such things)
#1115 [19:30] <DopeGhoti> The real problem is that you are using mIRC.
#1116 [19:30] <eicoolguy6> lol
#1117 [19:30] <Llirsias> *grin*
#1118 [19:30] * DopeGhoti nudges Llirsias toward irssi and an aspell plugin
#1118 [19:31] <Llirsias> Already have aspell
#1119 [19:31] <DopeGhoti> then half of the battle is won!
#1120 [19:31] <Boreeas> DopeGhoti: Do they make these at Hogwarts?
#1121 [19:31] <Llirsias> Need more scotch.
#1122 [19:31] <eicoolguy6> tape or the drink
#1123 [19:32] <eicoolguy6> ?
#1124 [19:32] <Llirsias> single malt.
#1125 [19:32] <eicoolguy6> ahhhh
#1126 [19:32] <sugoi> DopeGhoti: the debate over data as a mass noun or plural is ongoing, and IEEE allowd for the singular form
#1127 [19:32] <sugoi> s/wd/ws/
#1128 [19:32] <DopeGhoti> IEEE are a bunch of pompous blowhard who will be first against the wall when the revolution comes.
#1129 [19:33] <eicoolguy6> !def data
#1130 [19:33] <GreyBot> Word: data [da·ta]
#1131 [19:33] <GreyBot> pl.n. (used with a sing. or pl. verb) Factual information, especially information organized for analysis or used to reason or make decisions.:
#1132 [19:33] <GreyBot> pl.n. (used with a sing. or pl. verb) Computer Science Numerical or other information represented in a form suitable for processing by computer.:
#1133 [19:33] <Llirsias> The problem is your revolution.
#1134 [19:33] <sugoi> regardless, it is common speach to use data in the singular form
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#1136 [19:33] * Boreeas smacks VoxelHead
#1136 [19:33] <Llirsias> and plural.
#1137 [19:33] <DopeGhoti> it's also common speech to not use 'whom', or to do countless other patently incorrect things
#1138 [19:34] <Boreeas> Heh. Chatzilla uses firefox' spellchecker (That is, a bunch of red quiqqly lines)
#1139 [19:34] <Llirsias> So back to ram disk, anyone have figures for file access times of a ssd vs ramdisk for the .dat files?
#1140 [19:34] <Boreeas> My problem is rather that I don't even look if I spelled anything wrong :P
#1141 [19:34] <Llirsias> of the new format.
#1142 [19:34] <xales> Llirsias: The comparison would be massively in favor of RAM, but there's really no point in making the comparison.
#1143 [19:35] <Llirsias> Well il leave it on ram untill I need to start stealing it form some other projects than, not relly running anything else on the machine that is consume much.
#1144 [19:35] <xales> (As the results are going to be fairly obvious; it does depend on the RAM speed/timings, but it will in almost every case be faster than a more permanent storage medium)
#1145 [19:35] <DopeGhoti> 'then'. 'than' is a comparative; 'then' is conditional.
#1146 [19:36] <Llirsias> (I noticed after I pressed enter that than and not then was entered.
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#1148 [19:36] <xales> DopeGhoti: ?
#1149 [19:37] <DopeGhoti> xales: .
#1150 [19:37] * Marcelwo4jedynki [Marcelwo4jedynki@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#1151 [19:37] <xales> DopeGhoti: To whom was that comment directed?
#1152 [19:37] <Llirsias> (it will ofcorse but was wondering the old compared to the new and access times.
#1153 [19:37] <eicoolguy6> getting into java now are we?
#1154 [19:37] <DopeGhoti> xales: it was to Llirsias, whom has already acknowledged the error.
#1155 [19:37] <Marcelwo4jedynki> My cats are still sitting and right cliking don't work
#1156 [19:37] <eicoolguy6> i mean the code language
#1157 [19:38] <Boreeas> eicoolguy6: More like CS theory
#1158 [19:38] <sugoi> Marcelwo4jedynki: RIGHT click, not left? and mac/pc?
#1159 [19:38] <eicoolguy6> ahhhh
#1160 [19:39] <Marcelwo4jedynki> Pc & RIGHT
#1161 [19:39] <Marcelwo4jedynki> Left is to attack cat
#1162 [19:40] <eicoolguy6> wut game?
#1163 [19:40] <sugoi> Marcelwo4jedynki: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Ocelot#Taming
#1164 [19:40] <eicoolguy6> oh
#1165 [19:40] <eicoolguy6> blonde moment
#1166 [19:40] <eicoolguy6> have an empty hand
#1167 [19:41] <eicoolguy6> then right click
#1168 [19:41] <Marcelwo4jedynki> Thx, this channell always helps me a lot
#1169 [19:41] <eicoolguy6> i love helping people
#1170 [19:42] <Llirsias> On unrelated any opinion on vm vs xen?
#1171 [19:43] <xales> What?
#1172 [19:43] <sugoi> and finally: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/data , where "Both constructions [of pl and singular] are standard"
#1173 [19:43] <xales> VMware vs Xen?
#1174 [19:43] <Llirsias> yep
#1175 [19:43] <Llirsias> the server currently is a vmware.
#1176 [19:43] <Llirsias> and has been for a while but do to some issues using the free versions I have debated switching over to xen
#1177 [19:44] <xales> It depends on what you are using it for, as well as what hardware you are running it on.
#1178 [19:44] <xales> I'm not sure about the performance differences, if there is any noticable difference at all.
#1179 [19:44] <Llirsias> about a 2k recent server (Intell server prcessor) with server components.
#1180 [19:44] <Llirsias> Don't belive so at this point.
#1181 [19:44] <eicoolguy6> what really is the difference
#1182 [19:44] <eicoolguy6> i know i soun d stupid and out of it
#1183 [19:45] <eicoolguy6> sound*
#1184 [19:45] <xales> eicoolguy6: Rather than asking here, do the research and find out yourself.
#1185 [19:45] <Llirsias> deffintly look online, trying to debate the initial hear would fill up alot.
#1186 [19:45] <xales> Llirsias: From what I understand, VMware is easier to administrate.
#1187 [19:46] <xales> As far as anything else, I can't really help you.
#1188 [19:46] <Llirsias> That is my undestanding to, the problem I am running into is trying to handle vm backups on the free version and so the reason why I was wondering.
#1189 [19:46] <Llirsias> Thanks then xales.
#1190 [19:46] <Llirsias> Thought I might just ask.
#1191 [19:47] <eicoolguy6> i just looked
#1192 [19:47] <eicoolguy6> to get this straight its kind of like log me in
#1193 [19:47] <eicoolguy6> ?
#1194 [19:47] <xales> eicoolguy6: Uh, no.
#1195 [19:48] <eicoolguy6> then i dont understand at all
#1196 [19:49] <xales> Read a book, take a class.
#1197 [19:49] <xales> Good ways to learn.
#1198 [19:49] <eicoolguy6> i sound stupid and dumb don't i?
#1199 [19:49] <xales> Only because you choose to.
#1200 [19:52] <eicoolguy6> it allows you to "create a simulated computer environment" or in other words, control a computer from somewhere else?
#1201 [19:52] <eicoolguy6> am i getting THIS right?
#1202 [19:52] <xales> Nope.
#1203 [19:52] <eicoolguy6> crao
#1204 [19:52] <eicoolguy6> crap*
#1205 [19:53] <Wug> what is kind of like what?
#1206 [19:53] <eicoolguy6> vmware
#1207 [19:53] <xales> Hi Wug.
#1208 [19:53] <GreyVulpine> eicoolguy6 - Boil it down. Logmein hamachi, is a VPN. Allows you to create a virtual LAN.
#1209 [19:53] <DopeGhoti> only, it's a bad one.
#1210 [19:53] <Omega_Guardian> with SimSim, you can create a simulated environment, in which you can create any simulated environment you want
#1211 [19:53] <GreyVulpine> VMware, allows you to create a virtual environment
#1212 [19:54] <GreyVulpine> The only thing they have in common, is the word virtual in their name
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#1214 [19:54] <eicoolguy6> no im talking about this https://secure.logmein.com/products/pro/
#1215 [19:54] <eicoolguy6> not the hamach
#1216 [19:54] <eicoolguy6> hamchi*
#1217 [19:55] <eicoolguy6> hamachi*
#1218 [19:55] <GreyVulpine> Ah, the remote support package. Also not related to VMs at all
#1219 [19:55] <DopeGhoti> except that some VM software uses VNC for terminal access.
#1220 [19:55] <eicoolguy6> can you just explain what a virtual enviornment is?
#1221 [19:55] <GreyVulpine> Remote support, is like you having a remote control, and controlling your tv from your couch.
#1222 [19:56] <DopeGhoti> A virtual environment is an environment simulated in software for those not righ enough to have extra hardware to test or deploy things into or onto
#1223 [19:56] <GreyVulpine> A virtual environment, is kinda like running an console emulator on your computer, to play nintendo games in a virtualized environment. But you're actually running it through an OS
#1224 [19:56] <GreyVulpine> It's an OS inside an OS
#1225 [19:56] <GreyVulpine> in layman's terms
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#1227 [20:21] <Pashka2> ¤GreyVulpine¤ I try to play now using http://www.minecraft.net/play (FF10.0.2, Java SE 6U24 6.0.240.7) and got Failed to launch %appdata%\.mincraft\minecraft.jar after updating :\
#1228 [20:23] <Wug> you have an old version of java, try uninstalling it and installing the newest version (in that order)
#1229 [20:24] <Wug> if java is damaged somehow (which happens a lot) that will probably clear it up
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#1231 [20:27] <satinfish407> How can i run the world save i have as a online seerver?
#1232 [20:30] <xales> First result on Google: http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/107061-single-player-world-to-multiplayer/
#1233 [20:33] <Pashka2> hoho! I fix my PATH variable - put path to jre 6u24 bin directory as first and now it is works from launcher and from FF!!!
#1234 [20:41] <satinfish407> where does my online server save world to?
#1235 [20:41] <xales> The 'world' directory, relative to the executable.
#1236 [20:45] <satinfish407> The launcher .exe is on my desktop, i have no idea where the program files are
#1237 [20:45] <xales> Relative to the /server/.
#1238 [20:46] <DiskDaemon> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Server.properties#File_Location
#1239 [20:49] <satinfish407> %appdata%?
#1240 [20:49] <xales> satinfish407: Read the helpful thing which DiskDaemon just posted.
#1241 [20:50] <DiskDaemon> Also: http://www.howtogeek.com/60264/how-to-backup-restore-and-sync-your-minecraft-saves-on-all-your-pcs/
#1242 [20:50] <DiskDaemon> Also: http://www.howtogeek.com/60264/how-to-backup-restore-and-sync-your-minecraft-saves-on-all-your-pcs/
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#1244 [20:55] <Pashka2> hm.. ok. I run server on remote host and client on my pc. when I try to connect I've got "connection refused" on client and "lost connection" on server. I move server to localhost to check it locally and get the same errors. what's wrong?
#1245 [20:56] <satinfish407> I found my world saves for offline. But i want to play them online. I cant find where my Minecraft_server.exe runs from.
#1246 [20:58] <xales> satinfish407: It's whereever you run it from...
#1247 [20:58] <xales> Unless you don't run the server from your computer.
#1248 [21:00] <satinfish407> well when i log into localhost all of my mods are gone and its a new world than the offline world i made.
#1249 [21:01] <xales> Singleplayer mods do not work in multiplayer, if that is what you mean.
#1250 [21:01] <GreyVulpine> satinfish407 - When you run minecraft_server.exe, the server generates additional files where you have the .exe located. This includes generating a new /world folder.
#1251 [21:02] <GreyVulpine> Unless you ran minecraft_server where you have your single player saves, the server will not load your single player world unless you copied it over
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#1253 [21:14] <satinfish407> The online world is not saved in the saves folder?
#1254 [21:15] <DiskDaemon> correct, the online world is not saved in your local saves folder
#1255 [21:15] <GreyVulpine> No
#1256 [21:20] <satinfish407> i pasted my offline world into the world save that the online server created. My stuff is still not there. Maybe im spawning somewhere els?
#1257 [21:23] <satinfish407> Almost like when i run the server it redownloads overtop of what i pasted in
#1258 [21:26] <GreyVulpine> satinfish407 - What is the folder's name of your single player world
#1259 [21:28] <satinfish407> world55
#1260 [21:29] <GreyVulpine> Delete the 'world' folder from where you have minecraft_server. Copy the 'world55' folder over from your saves. Rename the folder to 'world'
#1261 [21:29] <GreyVulpine> Then run the server again
#1262 [21:31] <satinfish407> run Minecraft_server.exe then log into localhost?
#1263 [21:31] <GreyVulpine> Yes
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#1265 [21:33] <mib_vkw5b4> yo
#1266 [21:34] <Pashka2> is it some debug level on server to view details, because I have no anything except http://pastebin.com/xxDbURzp
#1267 [21:34] <satinfish407> it started up and prepared the spawn area.
#1268 [21:34] <satinfish407> So it didnt work
#1269 [21:34] <mib_vkw5b4> my friend is having downloading terrain problems on my server, he used to be able to join like last night and all of a sudden hes not able to join anymore and its starting to get frusterating
#1270 [21:35] <GreyVulpine> satinfish407 - Where do you currently have minecraft_server.exe?
#1271 [21:36] <mib_vkw5b4> in a server folder on my desktop
#1272 [21:36] <Pashka2> oh... ok. I set online-mode=false and can login, but... I already have premium account, why I can not login when online-mode is true?
#1273 [21:36] <GreyVulpine> Pashka2 - What is your minecraft username?
#1274 [21:36] <Pashka2> comradepashka
#1275 [21:36] <GreyVulpine> !paid comradepashka
#1276 [21:37] <Pashka2> :)
#1277 [21:37] <GreyVulpine> Alright, what error do you get when you try to log in?
#1278 [21:37] <Pashka2> when I try to connect I've got "connection refused" on client and "lost connection" on server.
#1279 [21:38] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, got any firewall software that may be blocking minecraft/java from communicating with session.minecraft.net?
#1280 [21:38] <Pashka2> now I run it on localhost :)
#1281 [21:38] <Pashka2> ah..
#1282 [21:38] <Pashka2> hm
#1283 [21:39] <satinfish407> Minecraft_Server.exe is saver here C:\Users\nadroj\Desktop\MC Server
#1284 [21:40] <GreyVulpine> satinfish407 - And in that folder, what other folder names do you have?
#1285 [21:40] <Pashka2> actually not, but I use proxy on my local network. Java already configured to use browser settings, also I have htttp_proxy environment variable, but I am not sure your client/server can use it
#1286 [21:40] <GreyVulpine> Very doubtful.
#1287 [21:40] <GreyVulpine> The only difference with the online mode being false, is that your server isn't contacting the session server to authenticate the username of the player entering your server.
#1288 [21:41] <GreyVulpine> Hence why you aren't able to join.
#1289 [21:41] <Pashka2> ok. but how server contacts? using http/https?
#1290 [21:41] <GreyVulpine> ?? login
#1291 [21:41] <VoxelHead> login: http://session.minecraft.net/game/joinserver.jsp?user=Meep&sessionId=test&serverId=test
#1292 [21:41] <VoxelHead> login: https://login.minecraft.net/?user=Meep&password=notreal&version=13
#1293 [21:42] <GreyVulpine> I believe it's http. Could be wrong
#1294 [21:42] <Pashka2> oh! I try to check my squid-proxy log now
#1295 [21:44] <satinfish407> add that folder where?
#1296 [21:44] <Pashka2> ok. I have not seen any try on my proxy. so I try to get tcp dump now - maybe it is other way to communicate with session-server
#1297 [21:45] <satinfish407> oh sorry. inside is data, DIM1, DIM-1, players, region, level.dat, level.dat_mcr, level.dat_old, and session.lock
#1298 [21:45] <GreyVulpine> satinfish407 - When you run minecraft_server in the folder on your desktop, the server generates a new world, with the foldername of "world", if it does not see any existine world
#1299 [21:46] <GreyVulpine> existing*
#1300 [21:46] <satinfish407> for some reason it wont recognize worlds that i place into it.
#1301 [21:46] <GreyVulpine> The server does not load from any other place. It does not know where your single player worlds
#1302 [21:47] <GreyVulpine> So, if you wanted to use a single player world, you would need to copy it from %appdata%/.minecraft/saves/ over to the MC server folder on your desktop
#1303 [21:47] <satinfish407> i tried that but it didnt work
#1304 [21:47] <GreyVulpine> By default, the server looks for a world using the foldername of "world". But you can change that by modifying the level-name= argument in the server.properties file, also located in the folder where you have minecraft_server.exe
#1305 [21:49] <GreyVulpine> Okay then. Start fresh. Delete everything in the server folder except for the minecraft_server app. Copy the folder from your single player worlds, over. Make sure it's just one folder
#1306 [21:49] <GreyVulpine> Rename the world to "world", and run the server
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#1309 [21:53] <Pashka2> yep guys. I see DNS request/response session.minecraft.net => 184.73.166.45 in tcp-dump, then I see direct request, not using proxy-server (it is not transparent proxy in my local network). so I guess you just not using such parameters like http_proxy environment variable and send direct requests from server
#1310 [21:54] <Pashka2> of cause it is not bug, just not realized feature )
#1311 [21:54] <GreyVulpine> Yeah.
#1312 [21:54] <Pashka2> you can add it to wishlist :)
#1313 [21:55] <Pashka2> I can send tcpdump to you if you want :)
#1314 [21:55] <GreyVulpine> That's alright. I can't do anything about it.
#1315 [21:56] <GreyVulpine> (We're community-run support here, and thus have no connection to Mojang proper. We're fans of the game, like yourself.)
#1316 [21:57] <Pashka2> ah.. ok. I thought there are some developers here too :)
#1317 [21:57] <satinfish407> It didnt work. Can i stop Minecraft from auto-updating?
#1318 [21:58] <Wug> I'm not sure if I understand correctly, but Pashka2: I believe you have limited control over network settings by passing arguments to the jvm
#1319 [21:58] <Wug> I don't remember what any of them are, but I believe you can make it run through a proxy, and probably a few other things
#1320 [22:00] <Pashka2> a lot of programming components in any languages that makes http-connection have support for static-proxy. I am not sure about java classes - didn't use java for a long time :)
#1321 [22:03] <GreyVulpine> satinfish407 - auto-updating? The client?
#1322 [22:06] <satinfish407> yes, would that work?
#1323 [22:06] <GreyVulpine> Yes, if you were still running an older version, minecraft would ask before updating.
#1324 [22:07] <Pepper> It doesn't ask if you've updated before and then reverted
#1325 [22:07] <Pepper> Without deleting version in the bin, I'd guess
#1326 [22:07] * GreyVulpine nods
#1326 [22:08] <Pashka2> google said I can use -Dhttp.proxyHost= -Dhttp.proxyPort= but still nothing happens. but I'll win :) never give up!
#1327 [22:10] <satinfish407> i dont know whats wrong
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#1329 [22:36] <satinfish407> how can i turn on creative mode on online server
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#1331 [22:43] <satinfish407> well there goes my whole day for nothing...
#1332 [22:45] <satinfish407> looks like i shouldnt have bought minecraft today either
#1333 [22:54] <satinfish407> why does Minecraft_Server.ece keep overwriting my world?
#1334 [22:54] <satinfish407> .exe*
#1335 [22:58] <Wug> what do you mean
#1336 [22:58] <Wug> you can enable creative mode for all players by setting gamemode=1 in server.properties
#1337 [22:58] <Wug> otherwise you can enable it for specific players with /gamemode <player> 1
#1338 [22:58] <Wug> and disable it with /gamemode <player> 0
#1339 [22:58] <Wug> satinfish407: ^
#1340 [23:12] <satinfish407> well that solved one problem thanks =)
#1341 [23:12] <Wug> how is the server "overwriting your world
#1342 [23:12] <Wug> "
#1343 [23:13] <satinfish407> ok ill try and explain
#1344 [23:15] <satinfish407> I copy my SSP world, paste all the info inside into my MUltiplayer "world" folder. Then i join localhost on Minecraft client. I login only to find that my SSp world is not the world i am logged into.
#1345 [23:15] <Wug> you did this while the server was offline right?
#1346 [23:15] <satinfish407> yes
#1347 [23:20] <Wug> you still have the original SSP world folder correct
#1348 [23:20] <satinfish407> yes
#1349 [23:21] <Wug> ok, delete the smp world folder
#1350 [23:21] <Wug> smp, not ssp
#1351 [23:21] <satinfish407> ok
#1352 [23:21] <satinfish407> smp is multiplayer?
#1353 [23:21] <Wug> yes
#1354 [23:21] <Wug> survival multiplayer
#1355 [23:22] <Wug> in your case, you're technically dealing with a CMP world
#1356 [23:22] <Wug> creative multiplayer
#1357 [23:22] <Wug> but that is a detail
#1358 [23:22] <Wug> once you have deleted the world folder, start the server to make sure it regenerates
#1359 [23:22] <Wug> if it doesnt come back, its looking for it somewhere else
#1360 [23:23] <satinfish407> ok done, it came back
#1361 [23:23] <Wug> was the world different?
#1362 [23:23] <satinfish407> no, jst some random spawn point
#1363 [23:23] <satinfish407> just*
#1364 [23:23] <Wug> no, I mean, was it different than it was before you deleted it
#1365 [23:24] <satinfish407> no, before i deleted it, it was a random spawn point
#1366 [23:24] <satinfish407> looks about the same, grass and trees
#1367 [23:24] <Wug> exactly the same?
#1368 [23:24] <satinfish407> mmm maybe not exactly the same errain
#1369 [23:24] <satinfish407> terrain*
#1370 [23:26] <Wug> can you make sure that its not the same?
#1371 [23:26] <Wug> you could delete it again and see if it changes
#1372 [23:26] <Wug> if you're deleting it and its not changing, that would indicate a problem with the config
#1373 [23:29] <satinfish407> no its not the same
#1374 [23:29] <Wug> ok, delete it again and replace it with the world folder from single player
#1375 [23:29] <Pashka2> I code short java-checker that request System.getProperty() - everything ok when I pass parameters through command line, but anyway passing it to minecraft server wouldn't help. heh.. there are also net.properties file in java/lib dir but using filemon-tool I haven't seen any request for that file. java is very strange machine :)
#1376 [23:29] <Wug> if that folder isnt called world, rename it
#1377 [23:30] <Wug> java is a sucking heap of fail
#1378 [23:30] <Pashka2> yeah :)
#1379 [23:31] <satinfish407> ok i did that
#1380 [23:32] <AlotOfWugs> satinfish407: open the server folder with server.properties and everything
#1381 [23:32] <AlotOfWugs> then open the world folder you just added and list the contents
#1382 [23:32] <AlotOfWugs> you should see a folder called data, a folder called region, a folder called players, and maybe some other stuff
#1383 [23:32] <AlotOfWugs> level.dat, level.dat_old, etc
#1384 [23:33] <satinfish407> ok i see that and i have server,properties
#1385 [23:33] <satinfish407> server.properties*
#1386 [23:35] <AlotOfWugs> there shouldnt be server.properties in that folder
#1387 [23:35] <AlotOfWugs> the world folder you copied from the single player world should not have any server files in it
#1388 [23:36] <satinfish407> server.properties is not in my world folder. i have server.properties open
#1389 [23:36] <AlotOfWugs> so no server.properties, whitelist.txt, ops.txt, etc
#1390 [23:36] <AlotOfWugs> ok, thats more normal
#1391 [23:36] <AlotOfWugs> try starting the server and see if the world is correct
#1392 [23:37] <satinfish407> its not, after i copy and paste my SSP world overtop of my SMP world i log in and im not at my SSP spawn location with all my buildings.
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#1394 [23:38] <AlotOfWugs> youre not supposed to copy it over the top of the existing one
#1395 [23:38] <AlotOfWugs> you're supposed to delete the existing one and replace it
#1396 [23:38] <satinfish407> i also tried deleted the existing and replacing it
#1397 [23:38] <satinfish407> same outcome
#1398 [23:38] <satinfish407> one sec i try again
#1399 [23:38] <AlotOfWugs> get teamviewer
#1400 [23:38] <AlotOfWugs> :tv6
#1401 [23:38] <WugBot> tv6: Teamviewer is remote access software, which enables other people to, with your permission, access your computer remotely and attempt to perform troubleshooting and diagnostics. Download and run teamviewer from here: http://www.teamviewer.com/download/version_6x/TeamViewer_Setup.exe
#1402 [23:38] <WugBot> tv6: Once teamviewer has been downloaded, run it (you do not have to install it) and PM the person who asked you to get it your teamviewer ID and password, shown in the teamviewer window. Send the private message with /msg user ID: xxx yyy zzz pass: wwww
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