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#2 [00:08] <Monkeys> ! Doesn't the compass point to your bed if you slept in it?
#3 [00:09] <GreyVulpine> No. The compass will always point to the original spawn point
#4 [00:20] <Magiobiwan> !check mc.next-craft.net
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#11 [00:55] <Magiobiwan> ;paid Magiobiwan
#12 [00:55] <WugBot> Magiobiwan has paid for minecraft.
#13 [00:55] <Magiobiwan> Yes! It went through!
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#16 [01:19] <Magiobiwan> !login
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#30 [03:18] <Monkeys> Spider spawners won't spawn anything unless we're near them?
#31 [03:19] <Silvy|code_learner> is there a coding channel about minecraft..?
#32 [03:19] <Silvy|code_learner> is there a coding channel about minecraft..?
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#49 [05:59] <Chris> ;paid philosoraptor
#50 [05:59] <WugBot> philosoraptor has NOT paid for minecraft.
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#61 [06:36] <oshydaka> Hello
#62 [06:37] <oshydaka> i want to know if it's possible to cancel and reset a minecraft giftcode
#63 [06:37] <oshydaka> someone have stool me my giftcode :(
#64 [06:37] <lemon-rev> how did they steal it, it shoudl have come though your minecraft.net or your email
#65 [06:38] <oshydaka> yes, but now i've changed my password
#66 [06:38] <lemon-rev> when did you change your password on what minecraft.net ?
#67 [06:38] <oshydaka> few month ago
#68 [06:39] <lemon-rev> has the new password been working that whole time ?
#69 [06:39] <oshydaka> what ?
#70 [06:39] <Grim_Reaper> oshydaka what is your minecraft username?
#71 [06:40] <oshydaka> Grim_Reaper: oshydaka
#72 [06:40] <oshydaka> ^^
#73 [06:40] <Grim_Reaper> !paid oshydaka
#74 [06:40] <Grim_Reaper> Are you having troubles logging into the account?
#75 [06:40] <oshydaka> yes of course è_é
#76 [06:40] <Grim_Reaper> Ahh oky
#77 [06:40] <oshydaka> heu
#78 [06:40] <Grim_Reaper> Have you tried a password reset?
#79 [06:41] <oshydaka> yes yes, my password is reset, with a new, but the giftcode bound to my account is in use
#80 [06:41] <oshydaka> yes yes, my password is reset, with a new, but the giftcode bound to my account is in use
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#82 [06:41] <Grim_Reaper> But once a gift code is used, it cant be used on another account
#83 [06:41] <oshydaka> and I do not know the person who used it, I did not give it
#84 [06:41] <Grim_Reaper> but your account is still premium
#85 [06:41] <Grim_Reaper> The user cannot steal a giftcode that has been used
#86 [06:41] <oshydaka> yes i know
#87 [06:42] <oshydaka> i've buy premium during notch's weeding, so i've a free giftcode
#88 [06:42] <Grim_Reaper> Oh..
#89 [06:42] <Grim_Reaper> So it was wasn't used yet?
#90 [06:42] <oshydaka> yep, but now, someone has use it
#91 [06:43] <Grim_Reaper> Then I would suggest emailing mojang
#92 [06:43] <Grim_Reaper> I'll get you a link
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#94 [06:43] <oshydaka> already tried
#95 [06:43] <YaMeZ> Hey ya'll
#96 [06:43] <oshydaka> on help.mojang.com
#97 [06:43] <oshydaka> and no asnwer ><
#98 [06:43] <Grim_Reaper> it can take up to 3 days to get a reply from them
#99 [06:44] <Grim_Reaper> Sometimes more
#100 [06:44] <Grim_Reaper> Depending on how busy they are
#101 [06:44] <oshydaka> i've post three weeks ago
#102 [06:44] <Grim_Reaper> Other than that. I cant suggest much. Unless you wish to try your luck at getting hold of one of the staff on twitter
#103 [06:44] <Grim_Reaper> Have you tried emailing them again since then?
#104 [06:44] <oshydaka> nope
#105 [06:44] <oshydaka> but today i've tweet on notch & jeb_
#106 [06:45] <oshydaka> may be this can help..
#107 [06:45] <Grim_Reaper> ._.
#108 [06:45] <Grim_Reaper> Other than that, I dont know what else you can do
#109 [06:45] <oshydaka> i don't know :(
#110 [06:45] <Grim_Reaper> Sorry =\
#111 [06:45] <oshydaka> may be send an other mail on help.mojang.com ?
#112 [06:47] <Grim_Reaper> You could try that
#113 [06:47] <Grim_Reaper> And hopefully they'll reply soon
#114 [06:47] <oshydaka> oh, and do you know if it is possible to change my minecraft nickname oshydaka to Oshydaka
#115 [06:47] <Grim_Reaper> http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/329525-can-i-change-my-username-
#116 [06:48] <oshydaka> u_u
#117 [06:48] <oshydaka> Ok thank ^^
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#119 [06:55] <oshydaka> mail send
#120 [06:55] <oshydaka> fiu, i hope a quick reply
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#132 [08:54] <mendokse> Hey anyone who has any experience with bukkit?
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#134 [08:55] <mendokse> when i start the bukkit.jar no cmd or server panel comes up. tried reinstalling java but made no diffrence. i even tried java 7. but the funny thing is that its starts if i check in the systemspanel
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#136 [08:58] <Clampy> Can anyone help me with some setting up a server problems?
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#139 [08:59] <wannabot> hai
#140 [08:59] <wannabot> do mob farms have to be 3 blocks high now?
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#144 [09:30] <Magiobiwan> Son of a ***
#145 [09:30] <Magiobiwan> Minecraft wants an OpenGL driver for my graphics card
#146 [09:30] <Magiobiwan> Which I don't have
#147 [09:30] <Magiobiwan> And I'm running the NEWEST driver too
#148 [09:30] <Magiobiwan> From 2008
#149 [09:30] <Pepper> What video card are you using?
#150 [09:31] <Magiobiwan> Heh
#151 [09:31] <Magiobiwan> An Intel 945 GM Chipset
#152 [09:31] <Pepper> I have that in my other laptop, it works ._.
#153 [09:31] <Magiobiwan> Works "fine" for most games
#154 [09:31] <Pepper> Or 945M
#155 [09:31] <Pepper> Works for minecraft
#156 [09:31] <Pepper> Not very well, but it runs it
#157 [09:31] <Magiobiwan> Im running XP 32-bit
#158 [09:32] <Magiobiwan> Lets see. Mobile Intel 945 Express Chipset Family
#159 [09:32] <Magiobiwan> And it's better with OpenGL than it is with DirectX 9.0C
#160 [09:33] <Magiobiwan> Oh. I see its error reason
#161 [09:33] <Magiobiwan> It couldn't get system info because I clicked
#162 [09:34] <Magiobiwan> Damn. Still didn't work
#163 [09:34] <Magiobiwan> I'll mess with this later today. I have to go now
#164 [09:34] <Magiobiwan> Thanks Pepper
#165 [09:34] <Pepper> Sure
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#167 [09:38] <Pepper> http://i.imgur.com/EhMwR.jpg Beautiful
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#180 [11:39] <pudgetta> query Dinnerbone
#181 [11:39] <pudgetta> fail
#182 [11:39] <pudgetta> oops
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#186 [11:44] <NinjaKirby> Hey guys, has the usual pastebin .bat script changed? (For launching minecraft.jar with extra RAM resource)
#187 [11:44] <NinjaKirby> Getting an error on launch, dunno if v1.2 wants something modified
#188 [11:45] <NinjaKirby> "problem occured during initialization of VM", glorious
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#191 [12:21] <sugoi> NinjaKirby: still here?
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#193 [12:24] <sugoi> NinjaKirby: to answer your question, no: 1.2 does not have new params for launch. but let me know which pastebin snippet of code you are using.
#194 [12:26] <sugoi> NinjaKirby: also, does the cmd window (which was opened in execution of the bat file) contain more error information? if so, what?
#195 [12:26] <sugoi> NinjaKirby: also, does the game start up without using the bat file? (running the launcher directly w/o cmd line args)
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#199 [12:29] <mib_q47fqe> Hi all. Try since 2 days to make a server to play with a friend. But doing what they explain in tutorials doesn't work. I can't even myself enter the multiplayer. Has someone an advice? thx
#200 [12:29] <sugoi> mib_q47fqe: sure, i can help
#201 [12:30] <sugoi> mib_q47fqe: are you using a machine for the server, and a different machine to play from? (yourself)
#202 [12:31] <mib_q47fqe> Machine? Mean my pc? only using that
#203 [12:31] <sugoi> mib_q47fqe: so you have one pc, on it you are running the server AND the client? (client == minecraft game)
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#205 [12:31] <mib_q47fqe> yep
#206 [12:31] <Spudstabber> mib_q47fqe: Then, try connecting via "localhost"
#207 [12:31] <sugoi> mib_q47fqe: is your server ...
#208 [12:32] <Spudstabber> inb4hamachi
#209 [12:32] * sugoi glares at Spudstabber swooping in to take his kill
#209 [12:32] <Spudstabber> c:
#210 [12:32] <mib_q47fqe> where is put "dircet connect" or add server?
#211 [12:32] * Spudstabber glomps sugoi
#211 [12:32] <Spudstabber> mib_q47fqe: Try it in directconnect
#212 [12:32] * sugoi easily evades
#212 [12:32] <mib_q47fqe> ok, sec
#213 [12:32] <Spudstabber> just type localhost
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#215 [12:33] <mib_q47fqe> "connection refused:connect it says now :(
#216 [12:33] <Spudstabber> I see
#217 [12:33] <Spudstabber> What's your server IP and port set to?
#218 [12:33] * sugoi knows what it is
#218 [12:34] <mib_q47fqe> I opened the port in Win7.
#219 [12:34] <Spudstabber> Uh
#220 [12:34] <Spudstabber> You can't open it solely in win7
#221 [12:34] <Spudstabber> you need access to your router gateway, and open it and forward it there
#222 [12:34] <sugoi> he means isn't blocking it w/ firewall
#223 [12:35] <Spudstabber> Ah
#224 [12:35] <mib_q47fqe> I don't know. Never manipulated my router
#225 [12:36] <mib_q47fqe> I'm ok with the firewall, but why can't i access?
#226 [12:37] <sugoi> mib_q47fqe: where did you download the server from?
#227 [12:37] <mib_q47fqe> minecraft.net
#228 [12:37] <sugoi> and did you download the jar or exe?
#229 [12:37] <mib_q47fqe> exe
#230 [12:37] <sugoi> and it is running?
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#232 [12:38] <mib_q47fqe> yep, say area spawn. blabla
#233 [12:38] <sugoi> what version does it list at the top?
#234 [12:38] <mib_q47fqe> sec
#235 [12:38] <mib_q47fqe> 1.8.1
#236 [12:38] <sugoi> that is quite wrong
#237 [12:39] <mib_q47fqe> ah ok. so I need a newer
#238 [12:39] <sugoi> you'll want to see 1.2.3
#239 [12:39] <mib_q47fqe> ok
#240 [12:39] <sugoi> first line in the "Log and chat"
#241 [12:39] <mib_q47fqe> sec
#242 [12:39] <sugoi> [INFO] Starting minecraft server version 1.2.3
#243 [12:39] <sugoi> mib_q47fqe: close that current one, btw
#244 [12:40] <mib_q47fqe> closed it. download the new
#245 [12:42] <mib_q47fqe> ok done
#246 [12:42] <sugoi> first line?
#247 [12:42] <mib_q47fqe> 1.2.3
#248 [12:42] <sugoi> 3rd line?
#249 [12:42] <mib_q47fqe> ....25565
#250 [12:42] <sugoi> ok
#251 [12:42] <sugoi> start up minecraft client
#252 [12:43] <sugoi> what version does it display (bottom left) after login?
#253 [12:43] <mib_q47fqe> 1.2.3
#254 [12:43] <sugoi> excellent, add server
#255 [12:43] <mib_q47fqe> sec
#256 [12:43] <sugoi> name: doesn't matter; address: localhost
#257 [12:43] <mib_q47fqe> done
#258 [12:44] <sugoi> and?
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#261 [12:44] <mib_q47fqe> I'm in. big thx. nd how my m8 can join now?
#262 [12:44] <sugoi> mib_q47fqe: that's about your router
#263 [12:44] <sugoi> right now, in your home network, your computers are 'hidden' in a sense from the outside
#264 [12:45] <sugoi> you'll want to make this one port to minecraft 'exposed'
#265 [12:45] <sugoi> so your friend can talk to it
#266 [12:45] <mib_q47fqe> ok. what to do?
#267 [12:45] <sugoi> Spudstabber: wanna help with the router :)
#268 [12:46] <mib_q47fqe> yep plz
#269 [12:46] * sugoi wants to be lazy
#269 [12:46] <sugoi> mib_q47fqe: well okay, i can help of course :)
#270 [12:46] <sugoi> i need a bandaid for my thumb tho, so brb
#271 [12:46] <mib_q47fqe> ok
#272 [12:47] <GreyVulpine> I'll get you started. Operating system?
#273 [12:47] <EyesIsMine> mib_q47fqe, /nick <nick>
#274 [12:47] <EyesIsMine> makes everything easier
#275 [12:48] <mib_q47fqe> win7
#276 [12:48] <GreyVulpine> Head to your start menu, in the search bar at the bottom, type in: cmd and press enter
#277 [12:48] <mib_q47fqe> ok
#278 [12:48] <GreyVulpine> at the black command prompt window, type in: ipconfig and press enter
#279 [12:49] <mib_q47fqe> ok
#280 [12:49] <GreyVulpine> Tell me the ipv4 address and default gateway address
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#282 [12:49] <mib_q47fqe> 5.81.27.85
#283 [12:50] <mib_q47fqe> 5.0.0.1
#284 [12:50] <GreyVulpine> Wrong one, there should be another pair of addresses
#285 [12:50] <Spudstabber> Waiiittt
#286 [12:50] <GreyVulpine> Typically starts with 192.168.x.y, 10.x.y.z
#287 [12:50] <Spudstabber> 5.*, that's a valid IP range?
#288 [12:50] <GreyVulpine> Hamachi
#289 [12:50] <Spudstabber> I only know of Hamachi using that
#290 [12:50] <Spudstabber> Yeah
#291 [12:51] <GreyVulpine> Though it has been reserved by IANA for use, haven't seen anybody that uses it though
#292 [12:51] <mib_q47fqe> I try Hamachi, but no connection
#293 [12:51] <Spudstabber> Yeah
#294 [12:51] <GreyVulpine> Please don't use Hamachi.
#295 [12:51] <Spudstabber> mib_q47fqe: First step, don't look at the hamachi connector
#296 [12:51] <Spudstabber> Second step, uninstall Hamachi
#297 [12:51] <Spudstabber> \o/
#298 [12:51] * sugoi laughs
#298 [12:52] <mib_q47fqe> 192.168.1.33
#299 [12:52] <sugoi> mib_q47fqe: these guys can help - i'll be around if you have other questions
#300 [12:52] * GreyVulpine hehs
#300 [12:52] <mib_q47fqe> yep thx
#301 [12:52] <GreyVulpine> mib_q47fqe - And the default gateway of that is 192.168.1.1, correct?
#302 [12:52] <mib_q47fqe> yep
#303 [12:52] <Spudstabber> Head to 192.168.1.1 in a web browser
#304 [12:52] <GreyVulpine> Great. Please close the command prompt now. You'll want to ^
#305 [12:53] <GreyVulpine> Open up a web browser and enter that in
#306 [12:53] <GreyVulpine> Tell us what you see
#307 [12:53] <mib_q47fqe> done, he asks username and pass
#308 [12:54] <Spudstabber> Input your router username and password
#309 [12:54] <Spudstabber> the username is 99.9% of times root
#310 [12:54] * GreyVulpine coughs
#310 [12:54] <GreyVulpine> Depends on the router
#311 [12:54] <sugoi> Spudstabber: admin
#312 [12:54] <Spudstabber> sugoi: All of the routers I've ever used were root
#313 [12:55] <sugoi> linksys: admin; netgear: admin
#314 [12:55] <GreyVulpine> Linksys doesn't (admin for password). Netgear doesn't . D-link doesn't (admin).
#315 [12:55] <GreyVulpine> netgear is admin/1234
#316 [12:55] <sugoi> belkin, admin
#317 [12:55] <Spudstabber> Hmm
#318 [12:56] <Spudstabber> I must have had some weird luck then
#319 [12:56] <GreyVulpine> You must use some off-brand routers or something.
#320 [12:56] <mib_q47fqe> don't know that have it since eternatis
#321 [12:56] <Spudstabber> I've set up linksys and netgear routers before, and all I set up had root as the user
#322 [12:56] <Spudstabber> Which seems strange
#323 [12:56] * Spudstabber scratches head
#323 [12:56] <GreyVulpine> I've set up hundreds of linksys and netgear routers, it's always admin. *shrugs*
#324 [12:56] <mib_q47fqe> have a speedtouch router
#325 [12:56] <Spudstabber> Weird.
#326 [12:58] <GreyVulpine> mib_q47fqe - Try Administrator for the username, nothing for password
#327 [12:58] <mib_q47fqe> ok
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#329 [12:58] <mib_q47fqe> no
#330 [12:58] <sugoi> GreyVulpine: inconsistent google results, appears blank username too
#331 [12:58] <sugoi> mib_q47fqe: try blank for both
#332 [12:58] <sugoi> i.e. no text, empty, ""
#333 [12:59] <GreyVulpine> Do you know the model of modem/router you have?
#334 [12:59] <sugoi> not literal `blank`
#335 [12:59] <sugoi> mib_q47fqe: and what grey asked ^^
#336 [12:59] <mib_q47fqe> both nothing. It's a Speedtouch router
#337 [12:59] <sugoi> mib_q47fqe: both nothing didn't work?
#338 [12:59] <mib_q47fqe> no
#339 [12:59] <sugoi> just to confirm
#340 [12:59] <sugoi> k
#341 [12:59] <mib_q47fqe> :(
#342 [12:59] <sugoi> oh we'll get it
#343 [12:59] <GreyVulpine> Hmm. try admin for both username and password
#344 [12:59] <sugoi> don't you fret
#345 [13:00] <mib_q47fqe> no 2xadmin
#346 [13:00] <sugoi> mib_q47fqe: by model we meant "model number" or version
#347 [13:00] <sugoi> more than just "speedtouch"
#348 [13:01] * sugoi likes his new bandaid
#348 [13:01] <mib_q47fqe> Speedtouch ST585i
#349 [13:05] <sugoi> mib_q47fqe: while my browser slowly downloads the pdf manual for the router
#350 [13:05] <sugoi> i just wanted to point out that ... ok, it opened, nvm
#351 [13:06] <Boreeas> sugoi: Whats your downstream rate?
#352 [13:06] <sugoi> Boreeas: at work, crap - i talked to the network guys about it, it's weird, but anything outside comes in aroudn 400k/s
#353 [13:07] <Boreeas> Heh, that's fine
#354 [13:07] <Boreeas> My school has something like 5-6k/s
#355 [13:07] <GreyVulpine> I'm seeing a default login of Administrator/Administrator or Administrator/'none' for the login of the 585
#356 [13:08] <GreyVulpine> If those don't work, it's most likely changed.
#357 [13:08] <sugoi> GreyVulpine: that's the best i can find too
#358 [13:09] <sugoi> it's just pathetic to not have an official landing page for this
#359 [13:09] <sugoi> the manual didn't even mention this (it was all about configuring non-standard connections)
#360 [13:09] <GreyVulpine> Yeah.
#361 [13:10] <sugoi> mib_q47fqe: someday, i recommend you get a better router :)
#362 [13:10] <mib_q47fqe> Thx anyway. I know where I can get the help I use know. The tech support of the firm I got i
#363 [13:10] <sugoi> mib_q47fqe: you can reset your router too
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#365 [13:11] <mib_q47fqe> When they can't help, I'll do that. But in the case they can open it, I get back here for the rest of the help to config........ thx all ;))
#366 [13:12] <GreyVulpine> G'luck
#367 [13:12] <mib_q47fqe> thx ;)
#368 [13:13] <sugoi> haha, i found a site that explains how to hack these routers wireless
#369 [13:13] <sugoi> haha
#370 [13:13] <sugoi> lame piece of crap
#371 [13:13] <GreyVulpine> They're ISP-supplied combination modem/routers
#372 [13:13] <GreyVulpine> I'm not surprised
#373 [13:15] <GreyVulpine> Well poo. Guess I missed this: http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/qvsml/giving_away_1000_copies_of_our_game_faerie/
#374 [13:15] <sugoi> heh, sheesh
#375 [13:18] <sugoi> i bought ME2 over xmas break (steam holiday sales) and haven't even found time to play that (still have reckoning and skyrim to finish)
#376 [13:18] <sugoi> the day needs more hours
#377 [13:18] <GreyVulpine> Heh
#378 [13:19] <|Kiichan|> im an advocate to moving to a world with a 30hr day :P
#379 [13:19] <GreyVulpine> Got a friend who replayed through ME1 and 2 before starting up 3 a few days ago
#380 [13:20] <sugoi> the story line is epic
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#382 [13:20] <sugoi> |Kiichan|: heh, indeed
#383 [13:20] <GreyVulpine> Have not gone through ME at all. Wondering if I should
#384 [13:20] <GreyVulpine> I might just wait for a collectors edition or something down the line
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#386 [13:21] <sugoi> Reaper11: welcome back, got into your router?
#387 [13:21] <Reaper11> yep, the password was right, only the user was wrong. Tech support helped me
#388 [13:21] <sugoi> woot!
#389 [13:22] <Reaper11> so now what to change?
#390 [13:22] <sugoi> Reaper11: might be worth getting a marker pen and writing the username+password on the router
#391 [13:22] <sugoi> :)
#392 [13:22] <Reaper11> instantly done
#393 [13:22] * sugoi googles port forwarding speedtouch
#393 [13:23] <sugoi> Reaper11: is there a NAPT button o nthe left?
#394 [13:23] <sugoi> s/o n/on /
#395 [13:24] <Reaper11> on the router or in the window?
#396 [13:24] <sugoi> window
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#398 [13:25] <Reaper11> he puts me toolbox, there I can confige the firewall
#399 [13:25] <GreyVulpine> Yeah. Toolbox -> Game and Application Sharing
#400 [13:25] <Colin969a> Where can I get help with Minecraft Forge? The IRC is dead, MCP Irc is Dead as well
#401 [13:25] <Reaper11> on it
#402 [13:25] <sugoi> Colin969a: try #buildcraft too, ppl there use forge
#403 [13:26] <GreyVulpine> "Create a new game or application" -> put in Minecraft Server -> Manual Entry of port maps
#404 [13:26] <Reaper11> sec
#405 [13:26] <GreyVulpine> Next. You'll want to put in 25565-25565, translate to 25565. Leave trigger protocol and port blank
#406 [13:27] <GreyVulpine> When you hit Add, then Apply, you'll then want to click on "Assign a game or application to local network device."
#407 [13:27] <Reaper11> ok
#408 [13:28] <Reaper11> i'm there
#409 [13:28] <GreyVulpine> That's when you'll look through the dropdown of "Game or Application" for the "Minecraft Server" entry you just made.
#410 [13:28] <Reaper11> ok clicked
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#412 [13:29] <GreyVulpine> Where are you at right now?
#413 [13:30] <Reaper11> Have clicked on Game or Application and selected Minecraft
#414 [13:30] <Reaper11> Which is marked now in the box
#415 [13:30] <GreyVulpine> Alright. Could you go back to your start menu, put in cmd in the search bar, then ipconfig /all in the prompt
#416 [13:30] <GreyVulpine> Tell me the Hostname at the very top
#417 [13:31] <sugoi> 192.168.1.33?
#418 [13:31] <GreyVulpine> Computer name
#419 [13:31] <GreyVulpine> Some routers port forward via the computer name instead of the IP
#420 [13:31] <Reaper11> Sacha-Pc
#421 [13:31] <GreyVulpine> Alright. Go back to the browser. In the device drop down, look for Sacha-PC
#422 [13:32] <sugoi> that's actually nice for most users i think
#423 [13:32] <GreyVulpine> Until you hit Westell routers.
#424 [13:32] <sugoi> :), why?
#425 [13:32] <Reaper11> I click on add?
#426 [13:32] <GreyVulpine> They're absolutely horrid, and sometimes won't update the table of their hostname -> ip list
#427 [13:32] <GreyVulpine> Reaper11 - Yup
#428 [13:32] <sugoi> heh
#429 [13:32] <|Kiichan|> or bthome routers <.<
#430 [13:32] * |Kiichan| shudders
#430 [13:32] <Reaper11> done
#431 [13:33] <GreyVulpine> Reaper11 - And that should be it for port forwarding
#432 [13:33] <sugoi> ;check Reaper11
#433 [13:33] <WugBot> 78.141.146.193:25565 seems to host a minecraft server: A Minecraft Server (1/20)
#434 [13:33] <sugoi> TADA!
#435 [13:33] * sugoi cheers for Reaper11
#435 [13:33] <Reaper11> ok, and now for my m8, I have only to give him my ip to join?
#436 [13:33] <GreyVulpine> Yup, your:
#437 [13:33] <GreyVulpine> ;ip Reaper11
#438 [13:33] <WugBot> IP address of Reaper11 is: 78.141.146.193
#439 [13:33] <GreyVulpine> That ip address ^
#440 [13:34] <Reaper11> lol. Nice chiecking
#441 [13:34] <sugoi> Reaper11: good job, mate :) note that your external IP can change (the 78.141.146.193)
#442 [13:34] <Reaper11> checking sry
#443 [13:34] <sugoi> Reaper11: so if tomorrow or some day he cannot join, go to ipchicken.com and use that ip
#444 [13:34] <Reaper11> It changes alwys i offline my router?
#445 [13:35] <sugoi> Reaper11: if you go to ipchicken.com right now, you'll see 78.141.146.193
#446 [13:35] <Reaper11> ah ok
#447 [13:35] <sugoi> Reaper11: depends on your ISP
#448 [13:35] * Grim_Reaper waves to sugoi and GreyVulpine
#448 [13:35] <Reaper11> ok. so I know, when u show up, the party begins, lol
#449 [13:36] * sugoi greets Grim_Reaper
#449 [13:36] <sugoi> Reaper11: haah
#450 [13:36] * GreyVulpine tips hat at Grim_Reaper
#450 [13:36] <Grim_Reaper> GreyVulpine has a hat ?
#451 [13:36] <Reaper11> so thx. for the big help. cya
#452 [13:36] <sugoi> Grim_Reaper: :/
#453 [13:36] <sugoi> Reaper11: laters
#454 [13:36] <GreyVulpine> Take care Reaper11.
#455 [13:36] <Grim_Reaper> Yes sugoi?
#456 [13:36] <Reaper11> u too
#457 [13:36] <Grim_Reaper> Bye Reaper11
#458 [13:38] <sugoi> Grim_Reaper: GreyVulpine has "tipped his hat" ~350 times in the last 9 months
#459 [13:38] * GreyVulpine blinks
#459 [13:38] <Grim_Reaper> ._.
#460 [13:39] <Grim_Reaper> Why do you keep track of when he tips his hat?
#461 [13:39] <Grim_Reaper> Stalker?
#462 [13:39] <sugoi> Grim_Reaper: :)
#463 [13:39] <Grim_Reaper> :3
#464 [13:39] * GreyVulpine hides behind Grim_Reaper.
#464 [13:39] <sugoi> it's pretty easy to grep the logs
#465 [13:39] * Grim_Reaper pats GreyVulpine, there there. I dont let him hurt you
#465 [13:39] <sugoi> haha
#466 [13:40] * sugoi uses `cat logs_full | grep "CHATTER_SELF GreyVulple" | grep " hat" | wc -l`
#466 [13:40] <sugoi> GreyVulpine* ^
#467 [13:40] <sugoi> chatter_self is a table header i came up with when parsing the logs
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#470 [13:47] <Wug> sugoi: what is a greyvulple
#471 [13:47] <GreyVulpine> You may as well ask, what a Wug is.
#472 [13:48] <sugoi> haah
#473 [13:48] <Grim_Reaper> :wug
#474 [13:48] <WugBot> wug: http://i.imgur.com/4dt56.png
#475 [13:48] <Grim_Reaper> :wuglet
#476 [13:48] <Wug> ;+ GreyVulple you made a typo ;D
#477 [13:49] <Wug> Ill make a picture for wuglets sometime
#478 [13:49] <|Kiichan|> :GreyVulpine
#479 [13:49] <WugBot> greyvulpine: this person is a hax god.
#480 [13:49] <|Kiichan|> :P
#481 [13:49] <Grim_Reaper> <3
#482 [13:49] <sugoi> haha
#483 [13:49] * GreyVulpine blinks
#483 [13:49] <Wug> :?greyvulpine
#484 [13:49] <WugBot> 'greyvulpine' was set by: wug
#485 [13:49] <Wug> do I keep resetting that
#486 [13:49] <Grim_Reaper> :greyvulpine
#487 [13:49] <WugBot> greyvulpine: this person is a hax god.
#488 [13:49] * GreyVulpine facepalms
#488 [13:50] <Wug> well its true I guess
#489 [13:50] <sugoi> :greyvulple
#490 [13:50] <WugBot> greyvulple: you made a typo ;D
#491 [13:50] <sugoi> that's fun :)
#492 [13:50] <sugoi> haha
#493 [13:50] <Wug> this is the part where I remark about botspam
#494 [13:50] <Grim_Reaper> :o
#495 [13:50] <sugoi> heh
#496 [13:50] <|Kiichan|> :botspam
#497 [13:50] <|Kiichan|> :P
#498 [13:50] <sugoi> hah
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#504 [13:55] <sugoi> |Kiichan|: btw, speaking of bandwidth, i remember trying to downlaod the diablo I demo
#505 [13:55] <sugoi> took ~8 hours, failed the first 3 times, got it the fourth (no joke)
#506 [13:55] <|Kiichan|> ???
#507 [13:56] <sugoi> |Kiichan|: oh sry, boreeas asked that
#508 [13:56] <|Kiichan|> you talking about my attempt to livestream that failed misserably? <.<
#509 [13:56] <|Kiichan|> oh
#510 [13:56] <sugoi> |Kiichan|: haha, when?
#511 [13:56] <|Kiichan|> yesterday. couldnt even get into minecraft with xsplit running :/
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#513 [13:57] <sugoi> anyways, back then i had dial up, something like 1.5->2 k/s downloads
#514 [13:57] <GreyVulpine> Ouch
#515 [13:57] <|Kiichan|> yes i remember the dialup days of leeching :D
#516 [13:57] <sugoi> the diablo demo was only 50mb
#517 [13:58] <|Kiichan|> set download overnight, sleep, get up and disconnect.
#518 [13:58] <GreyVulpine> I remember downloading Rise of the Triad back on dialup
#519 [13:58] <sugoi> |Kiichan|: yep, and pray it didn't fail
#520 [13:58] <sugoi> GreyVulpine: yeah :)
#521 [13:58] <GreyVulpine> Took the better part of a night
#522 [13:58] <sugoi> i think i got that game through the pcgamer cd
#523 [13:58] * sugoi loved those cds
#523 [13:58] <GreyVulpine> Heh
#524 [13:59] <sugoi> i've actually kept a lot of the old cds i had from pcgamer
#525 [13:59] <sugoi> none work anymore
#526 [13:59] <sugoi> except on dosbox
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#535 [14:28] <Jeb> Hey guys, its me!
#536 [14:28] <Grim_Reaper> o.o
#537 [14:28] <Jeb> Do you like minecraft?
#538 [14:28] <Grim_Reaper> !kick Jeb yeah sure
#539 [14:28] * AuBot kicked Grim_Reaper from #minecrafthelp (Reason: rim_Reaper :No. Just...No.)
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#541 [14:28] <GreyVulpine> !k jeb
#542 [14:28] * GreyBot kicked Jeb from #minecrafthelp (Reason: eb :<Kicks:921>)
#543 [14:28] <Grim_Reaper> Well that failed >_>
#544 [14:29] <Grim_Reaper> Like...
#545 [14:29] <Grim_Reaper> ouch <_>
#546 [14:29] <NinjaKirby> lol, wat, anyone who attempts to kick a Mojang exmployee, is kicked themselves?
#547 [14:29] <GreyVulpine> Nah, Grim doesn't have access to the command is all
#548 [14:29] <Grim_Reaper> No anybody who doesn't have permission from aubot
#549 [14:29] <Grim_Reaper> They get kicked
#550 [14:30] <NinjaKirby> Ah, I see
#551 [14:30] <Grim_Reaper> Also that made me look really stupid rofl >_>
#552 [14:30] <Grim_Reaper> I thought I had access anyways
#553 [14:31] <Morrolan> Quick, change your name until everyone forgot. :)
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#560 [14:53] <EyesIsMine> ban mibbit
#561 [14:53] <EyesIsMine> redirect it to #minecrafthelp-getarealclientr
#562 [14:53] <EyesIsMine> -r
#563 [14:54] <Grim_Reaper> lol
#564 [14:54] <Calinou> hah
#565 [14:55] <EyesIsMine> /ban *!Mibbit@*#minecrafthelp-getarealclient | /ban mib_*!*@*#minecrafthelp-getarealclient
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#567 [15:19] <Wug> EyesIsMine: espers bans dont do that
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#569 [15:21] <Wug> -ChanServ- *jeb*!Mibbit@* has been added to the AKICK list for #MineCraftHelp.
#570 [15:21] <Boreeas> Yaykick
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#572 [15:29] <neeRsorryFreeBNC> lololol
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#593 [16:48] <y81HC3Vef> Hey guys. Are there any issues with the download server? I can't download the update (much too slow, and then hangs between 30-50% of minecraft.jar)?
#594 [16:48] <GreyVulpine> There is not
#595 [16:48] <y81HC3Vef> and download speed is ~0.01KB (when not 0)
#596 [16:48] <GreyVulpine> I'd first check your AV. Many have been known to do this
#597 [16:49] <y81HC3Vef> hmm haven't thought of that :)
#598 [16:52] <y81HC3Vef> nope, not better
#599 [16:52] <y81HC3Vef> any other ideas :p?
#600 [16:52] <GreyVulpine> What AV do you run?
#601 [16:53] <y81HC3Vef> avg free 2012
#602 [16:53] <GreyVulpine> Go into AVG's options. Disable the linkscanner module. Run minecraft again
#603 [16:55] <y81HC3Vef> I double checked, but that module isn't installed (to avoid exactly that :))
#604 [16:56] <GreyVulpine> Ah, that specific function of AVG's been known around here to cause download problems like this. Have you gone to the minecraft launcher and before logging in, going to the options button and hitting "Force update"?
#605 [16:58] <y81HC3Vef> now it's starting again with lwjgl.jar at 1KB/s :)
#606 [16:58] <GreyVulpine> Do you run any other AVs?
#607 [16:59] <y81HC3Vef> nope
#608 [16:59] <GreyVulpine> This sounds like every other AV problem I've had before.
#609 [16:59] <y81HC3Vef> ok :) thanks anyway
#610 [17:00] <GreyVulpine> Download getting stuck on lwjgl and minecraft.jar has been an AV blocking the download for the majority of the times I've seen it
#611 [17:00] <y81HC3Vef> at least i know it's on my side :)
#612 [17:00] <y81HC3Vef> i'll try with some VPNs to see if connecting from another part of the world helps
#613 [17:08] <y81HC3Vef> ok, tried on my mac, same issue
#614 [17:08] <y81HC3Vef> connected to a german vpn --> downloads instantly...
#615 [17:09] <y81HC3Vef> must be my cable provider throttling minecraft downloads for some weird reason :)
#616 [17:09] <y81HC3Vef> thanks for your help
#617 [17:10] <GreyVulpine> Heh, alright
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#619 [17:11] <Mox> If I bought the PC Minecraft, can I get the XBox one for free?
#620 [17:12] <Mox> Or do I have to buy it separatly...
#621 [17:12] <Mox> (cant spell)
#622 [17:13] <GreyVulpine> Seperately
#623 [17:14] <Mox> What he said
#624 [17:14] <Mox> So?...
#625 [17:14] <GreyVulpine> Also the answer to your first question ^
#626 [17:14] <Mox> Oh
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#628 [17:14] <Mox> damn... how much is it anyway?
#629 [17:15] <GreyVulpine> I don't believe a price has been specified yet
#630 [17:15] <Mox> my xbox is bing derpy (8C230002 error)
#631 [17:15] <Mox> *being
#632 [17:15] <Mox> oh, is that why the error appears?
#633 [17:15] <GreyVulpine> What error?
#634 [17:16] <Mox> ^ xbox one...
#635 [17:16] <Mox> nvm, ill just try everyone in a while to get on it
#636 [17:16] <Mox> Thx! :3
#637 [17:16] <Mox> Keep digging!
#638 [17:16] * GreyVulpine tips hat
#638 [17:16] * GreyVulpine tips hat
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#641 [17:20] <Anuerei> Eh, so I've been trying to find a good RP server to play on, but every time I've joined one, I get past the logging in screen and it freezes at "Downloading Terrain". Anyone know how to fix this?
#642 [17:21] <GreyVulpine> Most likely, you're connecting to a 1.1 server with a 1.2 client
#643 [17:22] <Anuerei> Hmm. Let me try to connect to a 1.2 server and see if it works.
#644 [17:24] <Anuerei> Nope, still getting stuck at that screen. :I
#645 [17:25] <Anuerei> Well, hmm. It just said my connection was lost and that I timed out. That's new.
#646 [17:25] <GreyVulpine> What server are you connecting to?
#647 [17:26] <Anuerei> I went and found a random one. DeluxianCraft.
#648 [17:28] <Anuerei> Let me try another server real quick..
#649 [17:28] <GreyVulpine> Could you try connecting to smp.shadow-craft.net
#650 [17:28] <Anuerei> Ok.
#651 [17:28] <GreyVulpine> Random server, known to be running 1.2.3
#652 [17:29] <Anuerei> Gotta wait for my slow computer to catch up. xD
#653 [17:32] <Anuerei> It's at downloading terrain right now, lemme wait a couple minutes and see if it moves on
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#655 [17:33] <Anuerei> Doesn't seem to be moving at all.
#656 [17:34] <GreyVulpine> Very strange. I see your character in the server
#657 [17:34] <Anuerei> Hm. I heard that if I can get someone to teleport me to them it'll work, but I dunno
#658 [17:34] <GreyVulpine> Check your AV/security software, make sure minecraft isn't being filtered in any way.
#659 [17:34] <Anuerei> Okay, one sec
#660 [17:34] <GreyVulpine> Also, try a force update through the launcher before you log in, just to download fresh files
#661 [17:36] <Anuerei> So I have an AV running, but I don't know the password to it (My brother does) and I'm pretty sure thats the problem since I could get online last night just fine.
#662 [17:36] <Anuerei> I'll have to wait 'til he gets home to see, though.
#663 [17:36] * GreyVulpine nods
#663 [17:36] <Anuerei> What kind of server is Shadow Craft, out of curiosity?
#664 [17:37] <GreyVulpine> I have no idea.
#665 [17:37] <Anuerei> XD
#666 [17:37] <GreyVulpine> One of the regulars here runs it, I frequently use it just to test connectivity
#667 [17:37] <Anuerei> I'm looking for a good RP server that isn't hacked to bits and filled with people. It's difficult.
#668 [17:38] <Anuerei> Ah.
#669 [17:38] <GreyVulpine> Seems to be developed, and has a few people on it at any time.
#670 [17:38] <GreyVulpine> Other than that, I haven't moved out of spawn. Heh.
#671 [17:39] <Anuerei> Nice xD I'm used to joining servers, moving like 10 blocks away from the spawn, and seeing this huge wasteland of random blocks everywhere xD
#672 [17:39] <clarjon1> ewww
#673 [17:40] <GreyVulpine> Hah, yeah. I usually join private servers anyways.
#674 [17:40] <Anuerei> Hm. Yeah, I don't have anyone to play with, so I'm stuck with regular servers.
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#676 [17:43] <Anuerei> I guess while I wait I'll go look for some decent RP servers xD
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#679 [18:02] <clarjon1> Anuerei: You skipped your final? Professor Gandalf says You shall not pass!
#680 [18:02] <Anuerei> D:
#681 [18:02] <Anuerei> Forever alone :c
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#689 [18:26] <Magiobiwan> Oh what niceness.
#690 [18:26] <Magiobiwan> I buy Minecraft but it won't work on my laptop.
#691 [18:26] <Magiobiwan> Something about not being able to find an OpenGL capable graphics device.
#692 [18:27] <Magiobiwan> When I know very well that my Intel 945 GM chipset family does OpenGL very well
#693 [18:27] <Magiobiwan> Anyone know how I can fix this?
#694 [18:27] <andrewxios> its actually pretty hard to find a non opengl card xD
#695 [18:27] <Magiobiwan> Well, it's an older chipset.
#696 [18:28] <Magiobiwan> From 07 I think.
#697 [18:28] <andrewxios> standard back then, but anyways did you try to update your graphics card driver?
#698 [18:28] <GreyVulpine> How much RAM do you have on the computer Magiobiwan?
#699 [18:28] <Magiobiwan> 3GB
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#701 [18:28] <Magiobiwan> 32-bit Java
#702 [18:28] <GreyVulpine> on an intel 945?
#703 [18:28] <Magiobiwan> Yeah.
#704 [18:29] <GreyVulpine> Huh, okay.
#705 [18:29] <Magiobiwan> Not at the laptop at the moment
#706 [18:29] <Magiobiwan> On the bus home.
#707 [18:29] <Magiobiwan> But, classic works.
#708 [18:29] <GreyVulpine> Usually we see laptops running 945s with a gig or two of RAM, max
#709 [18:29] <Magiobiwan> It's a CoreDuo processor.
#710 [18:30] <Magiobiwan> 4G max ram. DDR2
#711 [18:30] <GreyVulpine> Thing is, intel graphics chipset share system RAM, and minecraft itself tries to reserve a large portion of RAM
#712 [18:30] <GreyVulpine> Anyhoo, try to update the video drivers from intel's site:
#713 [18:30] <GreyVulpine> ?? gpu/intel
#714 [18:30] <VoxelHead> gpu/intel: You can get drivers for Intel video cards and chipsets here: http://downloadcenter.intel.com/
#715 [18:30] <Magiobiwan> I'm running the latest driver.
#716 [18:30] <GreyVulpine> If that doesn't work, try launching minecraft with reduced RAM arguments: http://pastebin.com/1knuj6Zh
#717 [18:31] <Magiobiwan> I'll try that when I get home.
#718 [18:31] <Magiobiwan> How much of an impact will that have on gameplay performance?
#719 [18:32] <GreyVulpine> The 945 is the real issue there. It's, craptastic to say the least
#720 [18:32] * GreyVulpine dashes off.
#720 [18:33] <andrewxios> wish i had two 590's and an i7 to play minecraft normal xD
#721 [18:34] <Magiobiwan> GreyVulpine: Mine runs video games from 2008 fine.
#722 [18:34] <Magiobiwan> ~30 FPS
#723 [18:35] <andrewxios> i need 120 fps for that stupid fraps but mc slows down anything
#724 [18:35] <Magiobiwan> Mine is clocked to its full potential though. Most are clocked to ~200 MHz
#725 [18:35] <Magiobiwan> Mine is at 400 MHz
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#727 [18:36] <Magiobiwan> But, I see that that driver there is newer than the one I got from HP's we page
#728 [18:36] <Magiobiwan> By about a year. Interesting.
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#730 [18:39] <CF> Okay, I have a problem.
#731 [18:39] <CF> Minecraft simply will not play.
#732 [18:39] <Magiobiwan> Yes?
#733 [18:39] <CF> Deleted the .minecraft.
#734 [18:39] <Magiobiwan> More details please
#735 [18:40] <CF> Tried a new .exe.
#736 [18:40] <Sladex> just run the launcher
#737 [18:40] <CF> It just won't start.
#738 [18:40] <Magiobiwan> Why would you do that fool?
#739 [18:40] <Sladex> oh
#740 [18:40] <CF> Even tried the browser one, I get a grey screen.
#741 [18:40] <Sladex> I had to delete my .minecraft-folder the other day
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#743 [18:40] <NinjaKirby> I saw a mudcrab the other day
#744 [18:40] <sugoi> CF: sounds like your minecraft took an arrow to the knee
#745 [18:40] <CF> :I
#746 [18:41] <NinjaKirby> lolwut
#747 [18:41] <CF> This is a help channel, right?
#748 [18:41] <sugoi> CF: has it worked before?
#749 [18:41] <sugoi> CF: haha, sometimes
#750 [18:41] <CF> Yeah, perfectly.
#751 [18:41] <sugoi> until when?
#752 [18:42] <CF> I tried installiung the new zombe's pack.
#753 [18:42] <CF> I don't feel that's a problem, though.
#754 [18:42] <CF> The launcher itself will not run.
#755 [18:42] <sugoi> <img src="wallywanka.png" />
#756 [18:43] <sugoi> so it worked up until you mod'd it with the zombie pack?
#757 [18:43] <NinjaKirby> Not compliant without an ALT="" I thought
#758 [18:43] <CF> Yeah, pretty much.
#759 [18:43] <sugoi> CF: and you've tried clean-slate? (no .minecraft, new laucnher)
#760 [18:43] <CF> Yep.
#761 [18:44] <sugoi> ok - is it possible the zombie mod you downloaded was a trojan
#762 [18:44] <sugoi> and it's now owning your computer?
#763 [18:44] <CF> Nothing but minecraft is messing up.
#764 [18:44] <CF> Works perfectly fine.
#765 [18:45] <sugoi> worth reinstalling java
#766 [18:45] <CF> Alright. I'll try that.
#767 [18:45] <sugoi> be confident you are using the java you've installed
#768 [18:45] <sugoi> suggestions: have only one version installed (remove the old one first)
#769 [18:46] <sugoi> and use java 6 update 31
#770 [18:46] <sugoi> 64 bit if you have a 64bit OS
#771 [18:47] <sugoi> update 31 is the latest update for 6, btw
#772 [18:47] <CF> And if I were to have, say, 24?
#773 [18:47] <CF> :I
#774 [18:47] <sugoi> then find the absolute path to the correct java
#775 [18:47] <CF> Alright.
#776 [18:48] <Pepper> Ohai CF
#777 [18:48] <sugoi> and either create a bat that sets (temporarily) the java home path to the one you want, and then (in the same bat environment) run the laucnher
#778 [18:48] <CF> Alright, you lost me.
#779 [18:48] <CF> <_>
#780 [18:48] <CF> Pepper? wat.
#781 [18:48] <Pepper> Hi
#782 [18:48] <CF> Hey! c:
#783 [18:48] <sugoi> or run the LauncherFrame class in the jar..
#784 [18:49] <sugoi> CF: to be honest
#785 [18:49] <CF> Yeh?
#786 [18:49] <sugoi> if you don't understand what i'm saying => why on earth do you have so many java versions?
#787 [18:49] <CF> I'm not sure. :I
#788 [18:49] <sugoi> cf remove them all
#789 [18:49] <CF> There's only one...
#790 [18:49] <CF> Oh!
#791 [18:50] <CF> You though I meant I had 24 verzions.
#792 [18:50] <sugoi> oh what?
#793 [18:50] <sugoi> yes
#794 [18:50] <sugoi> you mean version 6 update 24?
#795 [18:50] <CF> Yeah.
#796 [18:50] * sugoi facepalms
#796 [18:50] <sugoi> ok, remove that one
#797 [18:50] <CF> Already doing it.
#798 [18:50] <sugoi> prove to yourself that minecraft fails bc no java (after)
#799 [18:50] <Pepper> lol
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#801 [18:51] <CF> I feel stupid with that "24 versions" thing. :I
#802 [18:52] <sugoi> :)
#803 [18:52] <sugoi> no worries
#804 [18:53] <CF> I was sitting here wondering what the hell you were talking about. Then you brough up batch files.
#805 [18:53] <CF> :c
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#807 [18:55] <sugoi> CF: so, java is gone?
#808 [18:55] <Monkeys> Hey, sometimes, my server will start lagging sporadically. It'll work a bit, lag a bit. The lag will mostly seem to affect blocks. As in you destroy it, it reappears. Anyone could give me some insight on what may be causing the lag? It seems to get fixed when I restart it, only for a while before it starts lagging again. - If you'd like to know the specs of the server I'm running this
#809 [18:55] <Monkeys> on, feel free to ask.
#810 [18:55] <sugoi> did you prove mc doesn't start?
#811 [18:55] <CF> Well, slow uninstaller is slow.
#812 [18:55] <CF> So, no.
#813 [18:55] <CF> :I
#814 [18:56] <sugoi> :)
#815 [18:56] <sugoi> Monkeys: could either be bandwidth (bad isp)
#816 [18:56] <sugoi> Monkeys: or insufficient memory
#817 [18:56] <Monkeys> sugoi it's LimeStoneNetworks, I doubt they have a bad ISP. :P
#818 [18:56] <Monkeys> By memory you mean RAM?
#819 [18:56] <sugoi> yes, ram
#820 [18:56] <Monkeys> I allocated 4GB to Minecraft, we have very basic plugins..
#821 [18:56] <sugoi> and limestonenetwroks, never heard of them
#822 [18:56] <Monkeys> The whole box isn't going over 3GB
#823 [18:56] <Monkeys> Sugoi they rent dedicated servers, not Minecraft
#824 [18:57] <sugoi> the box isn't going over 3? and 4 for mc?
#825 [18:57] <Monkeys> Isn't going over 3 altogether
#826 [18:57] <Monkeys> We run Garry's Mod serverso n it too
#827 [18:57] <sugoi> well first of all
#828 [18:57] <sugoi> i would test perf sans mods
#829 [18:57] <sugoi> and not bukkit in said test, but raw server 1.2.3
#830 [18:57] <Monkeys> What does that mean? Vanilla w/o plugins?
#831 [18:57] <sugoi> yes
#832 [18:58] <Monkeys> I know that it works w/o plugins because I play it daily with my nephew.
#833 [18:58] <Monkeys> Hosted on the same server, but just Vanilla.
#834 [18:58] <sugoi> google define: sans == Without
#835 [18:58] <Monkeys> Yeah I speak French.
#836 [18:58] <Monkeys> Just saying, no need to test.
#837 [18:59] <Monkeys> This only happens on the Bukkit server.
#838 [18:59] <Monkeys> It might be because there are ~10 players on it usually.
#839 [18:59] <sugoi> you asked "what does that mean" so i was trying to figure what confused you
#840 [18:59] <xales> Monkeys: Check system resource utilization.
#841 [18:59] <Monkeys> Well, "test something without.."
#842 [18:59] <Monkeys> "without what?"
#843 [18:59] <Monkeys> xales in my dedicated box, or is that a bukkit feature?
#844 [18:59] <xales> Monkeys: On the box itself.
#845 [18:59] <Monkeys> xales what am I looking for? RAM usage?
#846 [18:59] <xales> RAM, CPU, possibly disk.
#847 [19:00] <sugoi> i think he means .. ^
#848 [19:00] <sugoi> i.e. resources :)
#849 [19:00] <Monkeys> Okay, before I do that, however, could you guys help me figure out if I PROPERLY allocated 4GB of RAM to Minecraft?
#850 [19:00] <Monkeys> I may have done this wrong. I'm using Bukkit.
#851 [19:00] <xales> Monkeys: What OS is the server running, and how are you starting the server?
#852 [19:01] <Monkeys> xales, windows server 2003
#853 [19:01] <sugoi> Monkeys: and i would just like to point out that i never said "test something with ...", i said "test perf sans mods"
#854 [19:01] <xales> :|
#855 [19:01] <xales> :|
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#857 [19:01] <sugoi> mr french
#858 [19:01] <Monkeys> xales, I just type /stop in-game, the server saves and stops itself and since we run it as a service it starts itself again automatically.
#859 [19:01] <sugoi> Monkeys: windows has a resource monitor you can view
#860 [19:01] <sugoi> windows server too :)
#861 [19:01] <Monkeys> Alright I'll ask my techie.
#862 [19:01] <Monkeys> I'm not very tech savvy, just the manager.
#863 [19:02] <Pepper> lol ping
#864 [19:02] <sugoi> Monkeys: there are 2 ways to give more ram
#865 [19:02] <sugoi> both the same essentially..just two ways to do it
#866 [19:02] <sugoi> either set the parameter in your java settings via control panel
#867 [19:02] <sugoi> or pass the parameters on the command line (e.g. bat file)
#868 [19:02] <sugoi> but they're the same
#869 [19:02] <Monkeys> Well what I did was edit the run.bat and put 4096 xmx
#870 [19:03] <sugoi> e.g. -Xmx3072m
#871 [19:03] <CF> Gah. Now apparently my internet connection settings are bad.
#872 [19:03] <CF> >:c
#873 [19:03] <sugoi> CF: explain
#874 [19:03] <Monkeys> Okay that's what I did sugoi.
#875 [19:03] <CF> "The installer cannot proceed with the currect internet connection settings."
#876 [19:03] <Monkeys> I know this isn't the channel for it, but would you guys know how to check the system resuorce utilization like xales suggested?
#877 [19:03] <CF> I'll go check that off.
#878 [19:03] <CF> **out
#879 [19:03] <CF> :I
#880 [19:04] <sugoi> Monkeys: resource monitor <- name of tool
#881 [19:04] <Monkeys> Thanks sugoi.
#882 [19:04] <sugoi> or rather, perhaps it's just the performance monitor
#883 [19:04] <sugoi> either way, windows has it built in
#884 [19:05] <sugoi> CF: you're installing java? did you test minecraft after the uninstall? or is this the uninstaller that's whining?
#885 [19:05] <CF> The installer. :i
#886 [19:06] <CF> And minecraft.exe still won't open.
#887 [19:06] <sugoi> clearly, you don't have java yet
#888 [19:06] <CF> Yeah, I know.
#889 [19:06] <CF> You said to test it after I uninstalled java.
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#891 [19:06] <sugoi> right, good
#892 [19:06] <sugoi> it was supposed to fail
#893 [19:07] <sugoi> and now the installer won't work due to internet settings?
#894 [19:07] <CF> Yeah, I'm trying to get it working now.
#895 [19:07] <CF> Still nothing.
#896 [19:07] <Monkeys> sugoi, could I query or /notice you?
#897 [19:07] <Monkeys> I took screenshots of all the tabs under resource monitor.
#898 [19:08] <sugoi> Monkeys: during the block-delay?
#899 [19:08] <Monkeys> It's mostly chinese to me. Not sure if it's relevant either, but the server isn't lagging at the moment since I restarted it.
#900 [19:08] <Monkeys> No sir.
#901 [19:08] <sugoi> oh, sorry, that's when it would matter
#902 [19:08] <Monkeys> Oh.
#903 [19:08] <Monkeys> Well here, in case you want to have a look anyways.
#904 [19:08] <sugoi> if your players are distant
#905 [19:08] <sugoi> the server is having to load/unload chunks, it could be a disk issue, i'm not sure
#906 [19:08] <Tim_Colvin> Trying to purchase the game. It keeps coming up as either Transaction Failed or Credit Card Disabled.
#907 [19:08] <Monkeys> Okay sugoi, I'll grab screens when the block delay happens.
#908 [19:09] <Monkeys> Thanks a lot. :)
#909 [19:09] <sugoi> cpu total is 60%
#910 [19:09] <sugoi> what on earth is the machine doing?
#911 [19:09] <sugoi> and only 13 on java...
#912 [19:09] <Monkeys> Running 3 source servers, web server, minecraft, teamspeak 3
#913 [19:10] <CF> I'm trying the offline installer, sugoi.
#914 [19:10] <sugoi> Monkeys: :) once that cpu maxes - you've got issues
#915 [19:10] <sugoi> so, w/ 10 ppl playing at once
#916 [19:10] <Monkeys> Ooh seems like there's lag now.
#917 [19:11] <Monkeys> And everyone crashed.
#918 [19:11] <Monkeys> For the first time ever.
#919 [19:11] <sugoi> haha
#920 [19:11] <sugoi> joy
#921 [19:11] <Monkeys> Wait nvm, it was just me.
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#924 [19:13] <Tim_Colvin> Trying to purchase the game. It keeps coming up as either Transaction Failed or Credit Card Disabled.
#925 [19:13] <CF> <3
#926 [19:13] <CF> It works now!
#927 [19:13] <CF> :D
#928 [19:13] <sugoi> CF: :)
#929 [19:13] <Magiobiwan> CF, you keep getting quieted
#930 [19:13] <sugoi> Tim_Colvin: minecraft.net, right?
#931 [19:14] <CF> Yeah, I know.
#932 [19:14] <Monkeys> sugoi, do you think I could tell you values of resource monitor rather than screenshots?
#933 [19:14] <Tim_Colvin> yeah
#934 [19:14] <CF> I type on a lot of lines.
#935 [19:14] <Monkeys> My computer is being a bitch.
#936 [19:14] <CF> Thanks, sugoi.
#937 [19:14] <CF> :D
#938 [19:14] <sugoi> Monkeys: one sec
#939 [19:14] <sugoi> Monkeys: one sec
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#941 [19:14] <Magiobiwan> The enter key is NOT the spacebar or the period key
#942 [19:14] <sugoi> Tim_Colvin: prepaid card?
#943 [19:14] <sugoi> Tim_Colvin: i recommend paypal, btw
#944 [19:14] <sugoi> Monkeys: um -- did you say you get block delay w/ your nephew?
#945 [19:14] <Tim_Colvin> credit card, debit, visa
#946 [19:14] <Monkeys> No sugoi.
#947 [19:14] <Magiobiwan> Tim_Colvin, Is it a card able to be used outside of the USA?
#948 [19:14] <Monkeys> Yet again it was only the two of us.
#949 [19:14] <Monkeys> Oh wait, there's a DDoS right now.
#950 [19:15] <sugoi> Monkeys: right, just 2 -- ddos...really? why would someone be targeting you? :)
#951 [19:15] <Tim_Colvin> what you mean? it works fine.
#952 [19:15] <Monkeys> Because we have 3 of the most popular Garry's Mod servers.
#953 [19:15] <Monkeys> We get DDoS attacked all the time, not a big problem. :)
#954 [19:15] <sugoi> Tim_Colvin: minecraft is purchased out of europe
#955 [19:15] <sugoi> sweden?
#956 [19:15] <sugoi> ...no
#957 [19:16] <sugoi> yeah, sweden! ha
#958 [19:16] <sugoi> Tim_Colvin: so the purchase site says the card failed?
#959 [19:17] <Tim_Colvin> so my card is illegible for international purchases? Is that even possible?
#960 [19:17] <Tim_Colvin> yeah
#961 [19:17] <sugoi> you can try calling your bank, see if a block was put on the card
#962 [19:17] <Tim_Colvin> k
#963 [19:17] <sugoi> banks sometimes do that w/ international transactinos
#964 [19:17] <sugoi> Tim_Colvin: which is why i recommend paypal
#965 [19:17] <Tim_Colvin> thanks
#966 [19:17] <Omega_Guardian> family is such a pain. On one hand say use less water/electricity...but leave lights/etc on all the time and demand I take a shower every 2nd day.
#967 [19:18] <sugoi> Monkeys: i bet the cpu isn't handling it well, but worth telling 10 ppl to help you troubleshoot, and start up vanilla server and see if it repro's
#968 [19:18] <Monkeys> sugoi, I've tested this before with over 20 people.
#969 [19:18] <Monkeys> Plain bukkit with no plugins at all.
#970 [19:18] <sugoi> on vanilla?
#971 [19:18] <Monkeys> Ran well, no issues at all.
#972 [19:19] <sugoi> great, so you know it's the mods
#973 [19:19] <Monkeys> But it was literally just bukkit.
#974 [19:19] <Monkeys> Not a single plugin.
#975 [19:19] <sugoi> well then the issue is solved
#976 [19:19] <sugoi> that was easy :)
#977 [19:19] <Magiobiwan> Okay. This is the error I get from Minecraft when I try to start it
#978 [19:19] <Magiobiwan> http://pastebin.com/Hgq9uGhg
#979 [19:19] <Monkeys> Yeah I ran a bunch of tests before actually hosting this to know the feasability.
#980 [19:19] * Magiobiwan feels adventurous
#980 [19:20] <sugoi> Monkeys: so....what's the question then? seems like you've solved it
#981 [19:20] <Monkeys> sugoi: wat do
#982 [19:20] <sugoi> Monkeys: don't use the plugins that overload the server
#983 [19:20] <Monkeys> sugoi we're barely using any plugins atm, all the ones we're using are ones we actually need.
#984 [19:20] <sugoi> or, upgrade the server machine, or get a seperate machine
#985 [19:21] <sugoi> Monkeys: !, ok, i can be patient
#986 [19:21] <Monkeys> Spout, Commandbook, WorldEdit, WorldGuard, TextureMe (spout), LWC, ChatManager and PEX
#987 [19:21] <Magiobiwan> Okay. I am running the latest driver for my Intel 945GM Chipset Family
#988 [19:21] <Monkeys> I'm going to see and hope that updating everything fixes it, I have little hopes though by the looks of it.
#989 [19:21] <sugoi> Monkeys: this is simple!
#990 [19:21] <sugoi> what is different about these two things:
#991 [19:21] <sugoi> bukkit 20 people no mods: run great
#992 [19:22] <sugoi> bukkit 20 people with mods: run poor
#993 [19:22] <sugoi> hmmm
#994 [19:22] <sugoi> i'll let you think about it for a while
#995 [19:22] <Monkeys> Okay, thanks.
#996 [19:22] <sugoi> Monkeys: i could write you ONE mod that does nothing for the game, and brings your server to its knees
#997 [19:22] <Monkeys> Alright.
#998 [19:23] <sugoi> Monkeys: one option -- test which mods seem to cause little lag
#999 [19:23] <sugoi> maybe you'll be able to isolate the bad players
#1000 [19:23] * oldtopman watches sugoi write a forkbomb in minecraft
#1000 [19:23] <sugoi> players in this context is mods
#1001 [19:23] <sugoi> oldtopman: :)
#1002 [19:23] <sugoi> one line, bro
#1003 [19:24] <sugoi> aaanywho
#1004 [19:24] <sugoi> Magiobiwan: Pixel format not accelerated
#1005 [19:24] <sugoi> Magiobiwan: if you have latest, and you get that --- means your gpu ain't got it
#1006 [19:24] <Magiobiwan> Well, I see on the forums a fix for Intel chipsets
#1007 [19:24] <Magiobiwan> Which I am now trying
#1008 [19:24] <sugoi> cool
#1009 [19:25] <Magiobiwan> They can do OpenGL just fine, but Minecraft doesn't see it
#1010 [19:25] <sugoi> well...
#1011 [19:25] <sugoi> minecraft does use some newish opengl stuff
#1012 [19:25] <sugoi> also, not all drivers have full opengl support
#1013 [19:27] <Magiobiwan> Other people with Intel 945GM chipsets say this fixed their issue
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#1018 [19:30] <sugoi> i wouldn't blame minecraft, it's a driver issue (or gpu)
#1019 [19:30] <sugoi> i had a case where the gpu was great, and the driver was great
#1020 [19:30] <sugoi> but the machine was giving java the onboard chipset, and not utilizing the gpu
#1021 [19:30] <sugoi> it was nvidia, which has a control panel tool - with which you can tell your OS to _always_ use the gpu
#1022 [19:30] <sugoi> that fixed it
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#1024 [19:30] <Monkeys_> If I was to upgrade our server sugoi, what do you suggest I upgrade? Already upgraded RAM from 4gb to 8gb but according to you that may not be the issue?
#1025 [19:30] <sugoi> Monkeys: well i'm not sure what the bad-mod is hurting, probably not ram...possibly cpu, possibly
#1026 [19:30] <sugoi> is it an option to have 2 server?
#1027 [19:30] <Monkeys_> Not for Minecraft, not rentable unfortunately.
#1028 [19:30] <Monkeys_> Only reason I was okay with running Minecraft was because we could afford it, but I'm not going to spend for a whole new box just for Minecraft.
#1029 [19:30] <Monkeys_> We can afford Garry's Mod servers because we have "premium" benefits which are popular.
#1030 [19:30] <sugoi> i see
#1031 [19:30] <Monkeys_> I'm not experienced in Minecraft enough to make it pay for itself.
#1032 [19:30] <sugoi> so - when block-delay occurs, do other services from the same server suffer?
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#1034 [19:30] <Monkeys_> I'll look into it, it's probably a plugin.
#1035 [19:30] <Monkeys_> Because it gets solved instantly as soon as I restart the server
#1036 [19:30] <sugoi> restart the server? or restart the service?
#1037 [19:30] <Monkeys_> The one I had moments ago was because of a DDoS, that doesn't count, already filtered it and we're back to normal.
#1038 [19:30] <Monkeys_> The server.
#1039 [19:30] <Monkeys_> Err.
#1040 [19:30] <Monkeys_> The service, sorry.
#1041 [19:31] <sugoi> the term is slightly ambiguous in use, 'server' is fine too, i just wanted to clarify
#1042 [19:31] <Monkeys> Yeah sorry.
#1043 [19:31] <Magiobiwan> Hmmm
#1044 [19:31] <Magiobiwan> http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/781705-opengl-issues-on-intel-mobile-945gm/
#1045 [19:31] <Monkeys> I just need to restart the Minecraft server itself and it fixes the lag.
#1046 [19:32] <sugoi> so a bad-mod is building up it's dam as it is used :) you clear the dam and things move again
#1047 [19:32] <Magiobiwan> Can anybody tell me what I'm doing wrong here?
#1048 [19:32] <Monkeys> I'm not experienced enough in Minecraft nor Minecraft hosting to know what is causing it.
#1049 [19:32] <Magiobiwan> This is my line of code
#1050 [19:32] <Magiobiwan> java -xmx800m -jar "C:\Minecraft\Minecraft.jar"
#1051 [19:32] <Monkeys> Yep sounds like it sugoi, not sure how to test which one though since it can take up to a couple of hours before the dam overflows. :)
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#1053 [19:32] <sugoi> Monkeys: well i'd try removing all the mods, and adding them one at a time back until the problem comes back :)
#1054 [19:32] <Magiobiwan> And I moved it there so that I wasn't screwing up the long filename
#1055 [19:33] <sugoi> Monkeys: couple hours? that's too bad
#1056 [19:33] <sugoi> Magiobiwan: capital X: -Xmx800m
#1057 [19:33] <sugoi> Magiobiwan: and, 800 ain't much btw
#1058 [19:33] <Monkeys> Yeah sugoi, guess I'm screwed.
#1059 [19:33] <Monkeys> Hopefully it'll fix itself.
#1060 [19:33] <sugoi> it'll fill that up before you can spit
#1061 [19:33] <Magiobiwan> Well, first thing is to make it work
#1062 [19:33] <sugoi> Monkeys: heh, yes, bc software tends to fix itself, welcome to skynet!
#1063 [19:33] <Magiobiwan> I have 3 GB to work with of RAM
#1064 [19:34] <Monkeys> sugoi, in a way or another it might.
#1065 [19:34] <Monkeys> Updating it, not using a conflicting plugin anymore, etc.
#1066 [19:34] <sugoi> Magiobiwan: ok, so -Xmx2048m for example
#1067 [19:34] <sugoi> Monkeys: ok, but that's not 'itself' :)
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#1069 [19:34] <sugoi> Monkeys: but yes, that could help
#1070 [19:34] <Magiobiwan> There we go
#1071 [19:34] <Magiobiwan> It opens!
#1072 [19:34] <Monkeys> I meant without me taking active recourse towards fixing it.
#1073 [19:35] <Magiobiwan> Gosh Darn It
#1074 [19:35] <Magiobiwan> Now that I set it to 2048, it doesn't work anymore
#1075 [19:36] <Magiobiwan> Put it back to 800 and it does
#1076 [19:36] <sugoi> Magiobiwan: well you have to have that much available..i think
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#1078 [19:36] <sugoi> Magiobiwan: step it up slowly
#1079 [19:36] <Magiobiwan> Aah
#1080 [19:36] <Magiobiwan> I just noticed I only have 1940MB free
#1081 [19:36] * sugoi points to your problem
#1081 [19:36] <Magiobiwan> Darn you, Memory Hog Chrome
#1082 [19:37] <sugoi> :)
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#1084 [19:37] <Magiobiwan> There
#1085 [19:37] <sugoi> -Xmx1536m
#1086 [19:37] <Magiobiwan> close 2 tabs, free the RAM
#1087 [19:37] <sugoi> L(
#1088 [19:37] <sugoi> ^ not sure what that would be, but one key over is :)
#1089 [19:37] <Magiobiwan> Erm. Now it doesn't work
#1090 [19:37] <Magiobiwan> set to 1539
#1091 [19:38] <Magiobiwan> 1536*
#1092 [19:38] <sugoi> doesn't work == won't open ?
#1093 [19:38] <Magiobiwan> The Batch file opens, but closes back down
#1094 [19:38] <Magiobiwan> doesn't start Minecraft
#1095 [19:38] <sugoi> put a pause at the end
#1096 [19:38] <sugoi> see what your cmd window pooped
#1097 [19:38] <Magiobiwan> Good idea
#1098 [19:38] <Magiobiwan> How do I put a pause again?
#1099 [19:38] <sugoi> `pause`
#1100 [19:39] <Magiobiwan> Been SOOO long since I programmed batch files
#1101 [19:39] <sugoi> sand tics
#1102 [19:39] <sugoi> sans*
#1103 [19:39] <Magiobiwan> Could not reserve enough space for the object heap
#1104 [19:40] <sugoi> yeah, sad
#1105 [19:40] <Magiobiwan> Why oh WHY does Java not clean itself up?
#1106 [19:40] <sugoi> bc java
#1107 [19:40] <Magiobiwan> Leaving its bits and bytes in a heap
#1108 [19:40] <sugoi> :) how much ram are you asking for and how much ram free does your system have?
#1109 [19:40] <Magiobiwan> I have 2237 megs free
#1110 [19:40] <Magiobiwan> Set it to 1024 and it works
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#1112 [19:41] <Magiobiwan> Set to 1500, same issue
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#1114 [19:41] <Magiobiwan> 1250 works though
#1115 [19:41] <sugoi> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/171205/java-maximum-memory-on-windows-xp
#1116 [19:41] <Magiobiwan> I'm running XP Pro 32-bit
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#1118 [19:42] <jeremyb96> I need some help
#1119 [19:43] <sugoi> jeremyb96: it is easier to help those that ask the question and give some detailas
#1120 [19:43] <sugoi> s/as/s/
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#1122 [19:43] <Magiobiwan> Damn. I should have made sure to try logging in to MC while making the Batch files
#1123 [19:43] <jeremyb96> Everytime I try to log onto my minecraft account on minecraft.net it says unknown username or password
#1124 [19:43] <sugoi> jeremyb96: was it working before?
#1125 [19:44] <sugoi> jeremyb96: also, what is your username?
#1126 [19:44] <jeremyb96> Yes
#1127 [19:44] <jeremyb96> jeremyb96
#1128 [19:44] <sugoi> ;hp jeremyb96
#1129 [19:44] <WugBot> jeremyb96 has paid for minecraft.
#1130 [19:44] <sugoi> jeremyb96: did you migrate?
#1131 [19:44] <Magiobiwan> jeremyb96, I've seen you somewhere before
#1132 [19:44] <sugoi> Magiobiwan: did you read my stackoverflow link?
#1133 [19:44] <Magiobiwan> Yep
#1134 [19:44] <sugoi> ok
#1135 [19:44] * Magiobiwan cleans up his RAM
#1135 [19:45] <sugoi> jeremyb96: did you migrate your account?
#1136 [19:45] <jeremyb96> Migrate?
#1137 [19:45] <jeremyb96> Idk what you mean.
#1138 [19:45] <sugoi> if so, try using your email
#1139 [19:45] <Magiobiwan> Hmm
#1140 [19:45] <jeremyb96> I don't know what you mean by migrate
#1141 [19:45] <Magiobiwan> So, set to 800MB, I can get in and play
#1142 [19:46] <sugoi> jeremyb96: you can reset your password too
#1143 [19:46] <Magiobiwan> But anything higher, and I get the Pixel Format not accellerated bug
#1144 [19:46] <sugoi> Magiobiwan: ha
#1145 [19:46] <jeremyb96> I have
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#1147 [19:46] <sugoi> that i haven't seen
#1148 [19:46] <jeremyb96> I've reset my password
#1149 [19:46] <sugoi> Magiobiwan: ^
#1150 [19:46] * Magiobiwan needs a new laptop
#1150 [19:46] <sugoi> jeremyb96: and you get the email confirmatin?
#1151 [19:46] <jeremyb96> Yes
#1152 [19:47] <jeremyb96> I've signed on before, many times.
#1153 [19:47] <jeremyb96> I'm just not sure what's going on now
#1154 [19:47] <sugoi> GreyVulpine: you here?
#1155 [19:47] <Magiobiwan> jeremyb96, do you play Classic on the Thundercraft Classic server?
#1156 [19:47] <jeremyb96> Nope xD
#1157 [19:48] <Magiobiwan> Hmm
#1158 [19:48] <Magiobiwan> Your nick seems familiar
#1159 [19:48] <jeremyb96> Pwego?
#1160 [19:48] <sugoi> jeremyb96: what happens when you login on minecraft.net?
#1161 [19:48] <sugoi> not playing the game in browser, just the site
#1162 [19:49] <jeremyb96> It just says unknown username or password
#1163 [19:50] <jeremyb96> I've done both "foget username" and "forget password"
#1164 [19:50] <sugoi> you're doing what i would have done - so i suggest you stick around in the channel until someone that is more knowledgeable than i helps out
#1165 [19:51] <jeremyb96> Alright :P
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#1168 [19:52] <jeremyb96> Magiobiwan have you played on pwego sever?
#1169 [19:52] <Magiobiwan> jeremyb96, nope.
#1170 [19:53] <jeremyb96> Hmmm
#1171 [19:53] <jeremyb96> Not sure then xD
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#1176 [20:14] <jeremyb96> Anyone on that can help?
#1177 [20:15] <lemon-rev> whats up with the server jeremyb96 ?
#1178 [20:15] <sugoi> jeremyb96: it doesn't help to ask "can anyone help"
#1179 [20:16] <sugoi> jeremyb96: ppl need description questions
#1180 [20:16] <sugoi> jeremyb96: also, i've left a message for some of the admins - there's a good chance they'll ping you when they come around
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#1182 [20:16] <sugoi> lemon-rev: he's having pw reset issues
#1183 [20:17] <lemon-rev> oh,
#1184 [20:17] <lemon-rev> ty, cant help :)
#1185 [20:20] <Magiobiwan> It's working :D
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#1188 [20:30] * GreyVulpine pokes Magiobiwan, "You okay there?"
#1188 [20:30] <Magiobiwan> Yep
#1189 [20:30] <Magiobiwan> I got it working
#1190 [20:30] <GreyVulpine> Fill me in on what you did?
#1191 [20:30] <Magiobiwan> Minecraft can actually run okay on 800 Megabytes of RAM
#1192 [20:30] <Magiobiwan> Lemme give you the link to the forum post
#1193 [20:30] <GreyVulpine> Oh sure
#1194 [20:31] <GreyVulpine> There's a reason why I have that pastebin of the 256M bookmarked
#1195 [20:31] <Magiobiwan> http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/781705-opengl-issues-on-intel-mobile-945gm/
#1196 [20:31] <GreyVulpine> Minecraft does work.. it's just..
#1197 [20:31] <Magiobiwan> Im getting decent performance
#1198 [20:31] <Magiobiwan> I turned settings down of course
#1199 [20:31] <GreyVulpine> Ah, so you did -xmx800m
#1200 [20:31] <Magiobiwan> Yep
#1201 [20:32] <Magiobiwan> I think its set to 1024 now
#1202 [20:32] <GreyVulpine> And the .exe didn't work?
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#1206 [20:33] <Magiobiwan> The .exe didn't work
#1207 [20:34] <GreyVulpine> Strange, since all the .exe is, is the .jar with -Xms512M -Xmx1024M wrapped in an executable
#1208 [20:34] <Magiobiwan> Well, what's that first part do?
#1209 [20:34] <Magiobiwan> the -Xms512M
#1210 [20:34] <GreyVulpine> -Xms is starting allocation
#1211 [20:35] <Magiobiwan> And the Xmx is?
#1212 [20:35] <GreyVulpine> -Xmx is max
#1213 [20:35] <Magiobiwan> Aah
#1214 [20:35] <Monkeys> To plant wheat, how close must water be?
#1215 [20:35] <GreyVulpine> 4 away
#1216 [20:36] <sugoi> yeah, 4, and water can be same level or one above the dirt onto which you plant the wheat seed
#1217 [20:36] <sugoi> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Farmland#Hydrated_Farmland_Tiles
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#1220 [20:58] <Monkeys> What are the odds of survival in a Nether Fortress with only iron armor?
#1221 [21:01] <lemon-rev> pritty good if you stick in one of your fortresses :P if you go out, then 50/50 chance lol
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#1227 [21:35] <DopeGhoti> !topic add We have absolutely nothing to do with MCBans.
#1228 [21:35] <GreyVulpine> Bwah
#1229 [21:36] <DopeGhoti> Well, we don't.
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#1231 [21:41] <bernard> my minecraft came up with a message when you try to load it. it says "an error occured while loading applet". what should i do??
#1232 [21:43] <GreyVulpine> Are you trying to launch Minecraft classic or premium?
#1233 [21:44] <DiskDaemon> mcerror is a program by znospəɯ (With help from ɓuıʞıɹ and GUI by ɐnblɐɯ!) to log Minecraft's output and errors view the source and download on GitHub! http://bit.ly/t154lG
#1234 [21:45] <Kealper> DiskDaemon: this is not the place for advertising
#1235 [21:46] <bernard> classic
#1236 [21:46] <bernard> the multiplayer one
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#1238 [21:49] <GreyVulpine> I'd first clear your browser's cache and temp files. If that doesn't work, try uninstalling and reinstalling java
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#1240 [21:54] <gretchen> clear my cache and reinstalling my java didnt work. so now what??
#1241 [21:54] <GreyVulpine> What version of java did you install?
#1242 [21:56] <gretchen> 1.60_31
#1243 [21:56] <GreyVulpine> Did you uninstall all versions of java before installing that one?
#1244 [21:56] <gretchen> yea
#1245 [21:57] <GreyVulpine> Could you try a different browser?
#1246 [21:58] <gretchen> it still doesnt work. i tryed firefox, internet explorer, and google chrome
#1247 [22:00] <GreyVulpine> Hmm. it sounds like a java problem. Do you get any other error messages other than "an error occured"?
#1248 [22:00] <gretchen> no the same thing for all of them
#1249 [22:00] <gretchen> ti was playing yesterday now this happened
#1250 [22:03] <GreyVulpine> What operating system are you on?
#1251 [22:03] <gretchen> wat u mean??
#1252 [22:03] <GreyVulpine> I'm guessing you're on Windows, yes? What version of windows are you on?
#1253 [22:04] <gretchen> windows 7
#1254 [22:05] <GreyVulpine> Could you go to your start menu, in the search bar, type in: %temp% and press enter. This should bring up the window where IE caches its files. Look for any folders named "minecraft.net" or "www.minecraft.net" and delete them
#1255 [22:07] <GreyVulpine> Afterwards, go to your control panel. Hit the Java applet. Under the first tab, you should see "Temporary internet files". Go there.
#1256 [22:07] <GreyVulpine> Hit Settings, then "Delete Files". Remove all the temporary files from there. Try minecraft again with IE
#1257 [22:08] <gretchen> what would the java applet be under??
#1258 [22:09] <gretchen> programs or internet??
#1259 [22:09] <GreyVulpine> There should be an icon labeled "java" in the control panel
#1260 [22:10] <GreyVulpine> If you don't see it, look at the top right corner, "View by", and choose small/large icons
#1261 [22:10] <|Kiichan|> you might have to make it show all the items and not the 'categorized' view
#1262 [22:10] * |Kiichan| was greyjad
#1262 [22:10] * GreyVulpine snrks
#1262 [22:11] <gretchen> jxpniinstal or just jaa
#1263 [22:11] <gretchen> *java*
#1264 [22:13] <GreyVulpine> Java.
#1265 [22:13] * |Kiichan| wonders why theres a CONTROL PANEL for the JAVA INSTALLER...
#1265 [22:13] * |Kiichan| calls hijinx
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#1266 [22:15] <gretchen> ok now what??
#1267 [22:15] <sayahime> Hello
#1268 [22:15] <|Kiichan|> gretchen: [22:07] <@GreyVulpine> Afterwards, go to your control panel. Hit the Java applet. Under the first tab, you should see "Temporary internet files". Go there.
#1269 [22:15] <|Kiichan|> [22:07] <@GreyVulpine> Hit Settings, then "Delete Files". Remove all the temporary files from there. Try minecraft again with IE
#1270 [22:16] <|Kiichan|> hiya saya :P
#1271 [22:18] <sayahime> So i think i have an problem with minecraft fps. About an week ago my fps was about 30-40 now suddenly since yesterday its between 3-10 fps
#1272 [22:18] <gretchen> what is IE??
#1273 [22:18] <|Kiichan|> . . .
#1274 [22:18] <gretchen> oh never mind
#1275 [22:19] <|Kiichan|> gretchen: the PoC that microsoft calls a 'web browser'? :P
#1276 [22:19] <|Kiichan|> sayahime: has anythign been updated or installed on your computer rigjht when this started? or are you using any mods/texture packs?
#1277 [22:20] <sayahime> Nothing was installed on my computer.
#1278 [22:21] <gretchen> ok it works thanx :)
#1279 [22:21] <GreyVulpine> Glad to hear it
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#1281 [22:22] <Finamenon> hello
#1282 [22:22] <|Kiichan|> sayahime: is it all worlds this happens with or just one?
#1283 [22:23] <sayahime> Only have been in one world but going to check now.
#1284 [22:23] <Magiobiwan> !check 71.193.130.111
#1285 [22:24] <|Kiichan|> magi: that MOTD makes me want to check it out :P
#1286 [22:26] <Finamenon> is the lag associated with pulsing a redstone lamp just a vanilla minecraft thing?
#1287 [22:26] <Magiobiwan> Don't
#1288 [22:26] <Magiobiwan> It's my HIgh chool's Tech Department's server
#1289 [22:27] <|Kiichan|> :P
#1290 [22:28] <|Kiichan|> Finamenon: its a minecraft thing. lamp causes light update thats what is causing the lag
#1291 [22:31] <Finamenon> no way around it is there :(
#1292 [22:31] <|Kiichan|> besides not flipping the light on and off repeastedly.. not that i know of.
#1293 [22:31] <Finamenon> would a faster server help that at all or is it just the coding?
#1294 [22:32] <sayahime> Kiichan: it is a bit better on a other world.
#1295 [22:33] <sayahime> But the frame rate is still a bit low
#1296 [22:33] <|Kiichan|> if its a server.. then i'd blame it first on the bandwidth. then server's cpu. the light updates have to get sent to the user.. but if theres bandwidth to spare it might be the cpu takign time to figure out the new light levels.
#1297 [22:34] <sayahime> Ah okay
#1298 [22:34] <sayahime> Thank you
#1299 [22:34] <|Kiichan|> sayahime: erm... for you not sure.
#1300 [22:34] <|Kiichan|> that was for Finamenon :P
#1301 [22:35] <|Kiichan|> unless your having redstone lamp issues
#1302 [22:35] <sayahime> Ooh
#1303 [22:35] <sayahime> lol
#1304 [22:35] <sayahime> Nah
#1305 [22:35] <Finamenon> hmmm
#1306 [22:35] <Finamenon> well I was making a marquee sign for a casino, each letter lights up in succession with a slow pulse current
#1307 [22:35] <Finamenon> but yeah the lag... bad x.x
#1308 [22:36] <GreyVulpine> Too much redstone, on a not so powerful server can make for some horrid lag.
#1309 [22:36] <|Kiichan|> yeah... and the redstone circuitry probably isnt helping the lag.. your probably taxing the server
#1310 [22:36] <Finamenon> the circuitry alone doesnt hurt it at all
#1311 [22:36] <Finamenon> its just when its hooked up to lamps
#1312 [22:37] <Finamenon> server has some stones for this game, I know a decently high GHZ is good to run a server
#1313 [22:37] <sayahime> Kiichan: um Its only me that is having the FPS issues i have at least 3 people on my sever at an time, Includeing me.
#1314 [22:38] <|Kiichan|> saya: oh its a server? its probably similar issue to Finamenon then. i knwo when people explore on our server its lags to hell. not really an fps issue but a lag issue
#1315 [22:39] <Finamenon> well, we dont get much lag in exploration
#1316 [22:39] <Finamenon> im running it on a ramdisk
#1317 [22:41] <sayahime> Im runing my server useing bukkit beta build
#1318 [22:41] <sayahime> would that be the problem?
#1319 [22:41] <|Kiichan|> possibly. we dont support bukkit in here.
#1320 [22:42] <sayahime> Ah okay
#1321 [22:42] <|Kiichan|> but if your runnign a beta build then its probabyl got bugs in it still
#1322 [22:42] <sayahime> Okay
#1323 [22:42] <|Kiichan|> since they usually release it as stable once it/.. stable :P
#1324 [22:42] <sayahime> Well thanks for the help anywayyy~
#1325 [22:43] <Finamenon> it is a bit buggy
#1326 [22:43] <Finamenon> im using it as well
#1327 [22:43] <Finamenon> but from what ive heard the light updates are universal lol
#1328 [22:44] <|Kiichan|> yes the redstoen thing IS universal
#1329 [22:44] <|Kiichan|> yes the redstoen thing IS universal
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