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#4 [00:30] <kdr220721> Hey, so my hotbar wont respond to my number keys unless i hold shift. This just started tonight, It was working fine this morning before i left for work. Also my TAB wont register either. I'm on a macbookPRO OS X 10.5.8
#5 [00:30] <kdr220721> Anyone know how to get it back to normal?
#6 [00:33] <kdr220721> Alo, my numbers work fine outside of Minecraft and also when im online typing commands as an OP
#7 [00:33] <kdr220721> it pretty much is just affecting the hotbar in singleplayer and multiplayer
#8 [00:38] <Wug> I'm not sure. did you accidentally change the keyboard mappings somehow?
#9 [00:38] <Wug> I'm not a mac user so you might have to wait for someone else
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#11 [00:39] <kdr220721> im not exactly sure
#12 [00:39] <kdr220721> i changed the use of my F keys
#13 [00:39] <Pepper> Might also be something along the lines of that lwjgl issue with Linux input too
#14 [00:39] <Pepper> But I've no real idea
#15 [00:39] <kdr220721> but the reason i stumbled across tht is because of the keys :/
#16 [00:40] <kdr220721> i mean, i can deal with it.. heh, I just would rather have it back to normal
#17 [00:40] <DiskDaemon> Silly question, but is the capslock key on?
#18 [00:41] <kdr220721> nope
#19 [00:41] <kdr220721> oh, and the hotbard "works"
#20 [00:41] <kdr220721> hotbar*
#21 [00:41] <kdr220721> just not with the number keys
#22 [00:41] <kdr220721> i can scroll
#23 [00:42] <kdr220721> 2 finger roll on the mac touch pad works to scroll through it, kinda like the middle wheel on a mouse
#24 [00:42] <kdr220721> its just the damn numbers lol
#25 [00:43] <kdr220721> i've attempted googling and no one else seems to have this 'exact' issue
#26 [00:43] <kdr220721> and i tried uninstalling and reinstalling
#27 [00:44] <DiskDaemon> Try reporting it to the forums then
#28 [00:44] <DiskDaemon> http://www.minecraftforum.net/forum/151-minecraft-game-client-support/
#29 [00:44] <kdr220721> This is gonna sound dumb, lol... How do i do that? I've been playing this game for 2 weeks
#30 [00:44] <kdr220721> ah
#31 [00:45] <DiskDaemon> Give this a read too - http://www.minecraftforum.net/forum-151/announcement-48-section-specific-rules-information-as-of-01-03-2012/
#32 [00:46] <kdr220721> thank you
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#35 [01:05] <kdr220721> Alright, I posted it. Do you think I should go to any other chats to see if anyone is a mac expert to see if they know whats up with me? lol
#36 [01:05] <Wug> kdr220721: have you tried restarting
#37 [01:06] <kdr220721> The computer or the game?
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#39 [01:06] <Wug> the computer
#40 [01:06] <kdr220721> I restarted the Game multiple times, and tried to reinstall it as well
#41 [01:06] <kdr220721> oh, and no
#42 [01:07] <kdr220721> I'll be right back then
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#44 [01:07] <Ninechop> Hey guys, anyone wanna help with some mods? I don't need help installing, Just suggestions for a game type i'm trying to create.
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#56 [03:12] <YaMeZ> How do I go about getting a 1.2.3 server jar?
#57 [03:15] <DiskDaemon> You can't any more.
#58 [03:15] <sugoi> YaMeZ: bukkit has one :)
#59 [03:16] <sugoi> YaMeZ: you can run bukkit sans mods, basically the same thing to your end users
#60 [03:16] <YaMeZ> Oooh, is that just a vanilla jar that I can add forge mods to?
#61 [03:16] <Calinou> bukkit without plugins is vanilla server + few fixes/security updates
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#63 [03:16] <Calinou> and a basic improvement to /give command, too (allows using names)
#64 [03:16] <sugoi> YaMeZ: 1. vanilla does not load mods
#65 [03:16] <sugoi> YaMeZ: 2. bukkit != vanilla
#66 [03:16] <Calinou> bukkit doesn't support content mods
#67 [03:17] <YaMeZ> Sorry i'll be more specific. I'm looking for a 1.2.3 server jar that will allow me to throw modloader/modloaderMP/forge etc.
#68 [03:17] <sugoi> doesn't forge run on buildcraft-server?
#69 [03:17] <sugoi> or can forge run on bukkit too?
#70 [03:18] <YaMeZ> Honestly I have no clue, this is the first time i'm trying to mod a server
#71 [03:18] <sugoi> YaMeZ: just so you understand, vanilla means no mod, and no mod support
#72 [03:18] <sugoi> there has to be some hacking to lod mods, just to get our lingo right
#73 [03:18] <sugoi> load*
#74 [03:18] <sugoi> YaMeZ: well i'd start with bukkit
#75 [03:18] <YaMeZ> I think we agree here. Basically what i'm after is what I could have downloaded from minecraft.net back when 1.2.3 was the latest version.
#76 [03:18] <YaMeZ> uhuh
#77 [03:19] <YaMeZ> So that should let me put Redpower/IC2?
#78 [03:19] <sugoi> YaMeZ: _that_ is no longer available, but bukkit provides all their old builds for you
#79 [03:19] <sugoi> YaMeZ: you'd have to read the dependencies on each mod
#80 [03:19] <sugoi> that's not my area of expertise
#81 [03:19] <YaMeZ> Well that I can do, i'm just not sure if this bukkit jar is incompatible
#82 [03:19] <sugoi> bukkit is the name of the project, craftbukkit is the name of their server
#83 [03:20] <YaMeZ> Thanks for the advice regardless!
#84 [03:20] <sugoi> it provides a fantastic api for mods, and is now officially supported by mojang
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#86 [03:20] <sugoi> as for what a mod requires, you'll just have to check each mod
#87 [03:21] <sugoi> some mods run on buildcraft, i'd dare say the vast majority run on bukkit
#88 [03:21] <YaMeZ> I'm browsing the bukkit site, where would I find the old jars?
#89 [03:21] <sugoi> YaMeZ: ask on #bukkit
#90 [03:21] <GreyVulpine> http://dl.bukkit.org/downloads/craftbukkit/
#91 [03:22] <sugoi> YaMeZ: or just ask Vulpine the Grey
#92 [03:22] <GreyVulpine> Oh neat, there's a 1.2.4 RB out
#93 [03:22] <YaMeZ> hehe
#94 [03:22] <sugoi> woot
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#96 [03:23] <YaMeZ> GreyVulpine: I'm trying to host a redpower/IC2 server. How would I go about getting a 1.2.3 jar to start off with?
#97 [03:23] <YaMeZ> Would bukkit work?
#98 [03:23] <Fiery> YaMeZ: If the ports are updated.
#99 [03:23] <sugoi> YaMeZ: that is info you should look for on the site for redpower/ic2
#100 [03:23] <GreyVulpine> Oof, um. I would not think so. Redpower and IC2 run off of modloader/forge/modloaderMP
#101 [03:23] <sugoi> or, ask on #bukkit
#102 [03:24] <GreyVulpine> Which requires the vanilla minecraft_server.jar, which is not publically available anymore
#103 [03:24] <GreyVulpine> At least, the older 1.2.3 version
#104 [03:24] <Fiery> ...There ARE ModLoaderMp and Forge ports for Bukkit.
#105 [03:24] <YaMeZ> GreyVulpine: As I suspected -_-.. does minecraft nostalgia support reverting server jars?
#106 [03:24] <YaMeZ> Fiery, are they reliable?
#107 [03:25] <Fiery> ...As reliable as the vanilla server.
#108 [03:25] <YaMeZ> Good answer
#109 [03:25] <GreyVulpine> MCnostalgia doesn't do server jars
#110 [03:25] <Fiery> NOT reliable.
#111 [03:25] <YaMeZ> hahah
#112 [03:25] <YaMeZ> Fiery: Could you direct me to instructions on how to get these ports?
#113 [03:27] * AG_Clinton has a server jar from hmod.
#113 [03:27] <Fiery> YaMeZ: GOOGLE.
#114 [03:27] <YaMeZ> cheers
#115 [03:27] <GreyVulpine> http://www.mcportcentral.co.za/index.php?topic=1360.0
#116 [03:28] <GreyVulpine> http://www.mcportcentral.co.za/
#117 [03:29] <YaMeZ> GreyVulpine: Thanks!
#118 [03:30] <huddler> hi was wondering i live in canada and dont have a credit card but could i use a vanilla mastercard/visa gift card to purchase minecraft? cause really wanna play this game :-(
#119 [03:31] <GreyVulpine> ?? prepaid
#120 [03:31] <VoxelHead> prepaid: Prepaid or gift credit cards will generally not work for purchasing Minecraft, because their fraud prevention klobbers international transactions.
#121 [03:31] <huddler> so basically i cant by minecraft with one for sure :-(
#122 [03:31] <Wug> most likely, no. it would be better to use paypal instead
#123 [03:32] <GreyVulpine> Only way to be sure, is to call up customer support using the number on the back of the card.
#124 [03:32] <GreyVulpine> Paypal's been discontinued, wasn't it?
#125 [03:32] <Wug> was it?
#126 [03:32] <GreyVulpine> Oh wait, just for buying gift codes
#127 [03:32] <huddler> like what do u mean? what would calling them wouldi have to ask?
#128 [03:33] <GreyVulpine> "Would I be able to use this card online to purchase products internationally?"
#129 [03:33] <Wug> it looks like paypal has indeed been axed
#130 [03:33] <Wug> may it never return
#131 [03:33] <huddler> what number are u referring to of the place id be calling?
#132 [03:33] <AG_Clinton> The number on the back of the card.
#133 [03:33] <GreyVulpine> huddler - Customer Support, on the back of the card
#134 [03:34] <huddler> of of calling the customer support of the company that does the vanilla mastercard/ visa giftcards?
#135 [03:34] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#136 [03:35] <huddler> well cause i dont get how would be internationally cause when i pull up to buy it doesnt show in euros it says 26.95 USD
#137 [03:35] <GreyVulpine> Mojang is based in Sweden. Any payments done to them, are international payments
#138 [03:35] <GreyVulpine> Unless you're living in Sweden, of course.
#139 [03:36] <Yakuzing> There's a thread about it. Says not possible
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#141 [03:36] <GreyVulpine> There's multiple threads about it. Generally, we see gift cards being declined.
#142 [03:36] <huddler> oh ok thanks so just ask them what u said i should say and if they say yes then me using the card to buy minecraft on here will work?
#143 [03:36] * GreyVulpine nods
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#144 [03:37] <huddler> alright thankyou so much, hop[e i can or else i guess cant play minecraft and wont have my money :-(
#145 [03:37] <GreyVulpine> Can always ask a friend, neighbor, relative, or family member to purchase it for you.
#146 [03:37] <GreyVulpine> Mojang also offers gift codes as well
#147 [03:38] <Piyok> Get it on E-Bay.
#148 [03:38] <GreyVulpine> Don't get it off of ebay
#149 [03:38] <GreyVulpine> More than likely, it's a scam
#150 [03:38] <Piyok> I just got it off E-Bay.
#151 [03:38] <Piyok> And everything is good.
#152 [03:39] <Piyok> Well, it's an other kind of E-
#153 [03:39] <GreyVulpine> Wait 3 months, you'll get scammed. We see it all the time
#154 [03:39] <Piyok> E-Bay*
#155 [03:39] <Piyok> It operates in my country only.
#156 [03:39] <Piyok> So if someone scams, they will have to mess around with the police.
#157 [03:40] <GreyVulpine> I'll bet you it's a scam
#158 [03:40] <Yakuzing> If the police will bother with a purchase of what, 2 zloty?
#159 [03:40] <Piyok> It's not about that, even if the guy will scam someone for 1 dollar, they'll get fined for it.
#160 [03:41] <Piyok> If they'll continue, then it's a permament bye to use that website.
#161 [03:41] <Piyok> And they'll be noted in other websites like that one.
#162 [03:41] <Wug> Piyok: good luck with that
#163 [03:41] <GreyVulpine> Just out of curiosity, how much were you charged?
#164 [03:41] <Wug> you should cancel the transaction now before you discover its too late
#165 [03:41] <Piyok> For Minecraft?
#166 [03:41] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#167 [03:42] <Piyok> Oh, I bought it for 15 złoty.
#168 [03:42] <Piyok> In dollars it's 5$
#169 [03:42] * GreyVulpine laughs
#169 [03:42] <Wug> yeah, thats a scam
#170 [03:42] <GreyVulpine> Yeah
#171 [03:42] <Piyok> Nah.
#172 [03:42] <Piyok> I already have it.
#173 [03:42] <Wug> Piyok: chargeback
#174 [03:42] <Piyok> It's the seller's problem if he sold it for that price.
#175 [03:42] <Wug> hes going to make it your problem
#176 [03:42] <Piyok> Wug: He didn't do this, he said he's fine with that.
#177 [03:42] <Wug> I have 4 heads
#178 [03:42] <Wug> ^ people can lie on the internet
#179 [03:42] <Piyok> It would be a little silly to do that after two years of purchase.
#180 [03:43] <Wug> Piyok: people do not simply buy things and sell them at a 75% markdown
#181 [03:44] <Piyok> Right, you just don't understand how it all works in my country.
#182 [03:44] <Wug> theres a little rule you probably havent discovered yet
#183 [03:44] <DiskDaemon> Buyer pays?
#184 [03:44] <Wug> nonetheless you will eventually realize that it holds in all situations
#185 [03:44] <Wug> if it sounds too good to be true, its too good to be true
#186 [03:44] <Piyok> Oh, rules. I don't care about rules. I bought MC from that guy, he said he's perfectly fine with that price because I asked him about that.
#187 [03:45] <GreyVulpine> Fair enough. Just don't come yelling to Mojang when you're not premium anymore in 3 months
#188 [03:45] <YaMeZ> Did he even give you a key?
#189 [03:45] <Piyok> Yes.
#190 [03:45] <Piyok> GreyVulpine: I have MC for 2 years.
#191 [03:45] <Piyok> Do you have any problems with that? :D
#192 [03:45] <Wug> <Piyok> I just got it off E-Bay.
#193 [03:45] <Piyok> Wug: There are different E-Bay-like websites in every country.
#194 [03:45] <Wug> 2 years is not 'just'
#195 [03:46] <Piyok> I honestly don't understand why do you yell about that being a scam.
#196 [03:46] <Piyok> Were you scammed before? Or you're just a little bit paranoid about those kinds of trading?
#197 [03:46] <Wug> no but ive been here for months
#198 [03:46] <GreyVulpine> We have seen this scam time and again for 2 years
#199 [03:46] <Wug> we see it very, very frequently
#200 [03:47] <Piyok> Oh, your problem then. I have no problems with Minecraft.
#201 [03:47] <Wug> so you say you just got it
#202 [03:47] <GreyVulpine> By chance, did you buy it from allegro.pl?
#203 [03:47] <Piyok> Yes.
#204 [03:48] <GreyVulpine> Hah, yeah. I've seen tons of minecraft scams from that site. Police aren't going to do jack crap about it
#205 [03:48] <Piyok> You don't even live in that country.
#206 [03:48] <Piyok> So you basically don't have anything to say about that website.
#207 [03:48] <Wug> Piyok: this is an internet chat room
#208 [03:48] <Wug> we see people from all over the world
#209 [03:49] <Wug> now when did you get it
#210 [03:49] <Piyok> When it was in alpha stage.
#211 [03:49] <Wug> thats not 'just'
#212 [03:49] <Piyok> I didn't say 'just'.
#213 [03:49] <Wug> <Piyok> I just got it off E-Bay.
#214 [03:49] <Wug> then again, the entire rest of that sentence is a lie
#215 [03:49] <Piyok> You're going to repeat that sentence over and over again?
#216 [03:49] <Wug> you didnt get it off of ebay either
#217 [03:49] <Yakuzing> just implying that he "didnt bother with something else"
#218 [03:50] <Piyok> Lets end this topic because I am 90% positive that soon it will turn into a flame war or something.
#219 [03:50] <DiskDaemon> Isn't allegro the polish ebay?
#220 [03:50] <Wug> youre probably right
#221 [03:50] <Wug> and my official recommendation stands
#222 [03:51] <Wug> don't buy it anywhere from minecraft.net
#223 [03:51] <GreyVulpine> http://kealper.com/irclogs/index.a3w?date=2011-11-23 -- "Chleboss77" was scammed using allegro.pl
#224 [03:51] <Piyok> It was a gift code!
#225 [03:51] <Wug> if you have to, have someone else you know buy it from you and send you a gift code
#226 [03:51] <Piyok> GreyVulpine: You don't know how dumb people can be sometimes.
#227 [03:51] <GreyVulpine> http://kealper.com/IRCLogs/index.a3w?date=2012-03-23 -- Kamilko47 was scammed using allegro.pl
#228 [03:51] <Piyok> There was one guy, that made an auction, right?
#229 [03:51] <Piyok> And he made a HUGE text saying
#230 [03:51] <GreyVulpine> http://kealper.com/irclogs/index.a3w?date=2011-10-10 -- entragian was scammed using Allegro.pl
#231 [03:52] <Wug> Piyok: this is the part where you stop
#232 [03:52] <Piyok> That he's selling a PHOTO of a mobile phone, it was... Sony Ericsson W810I for over 600zł
#233 [03:52] <Piyok> There was no way to miss that text, yet over 20 people bought that.
#234 [03:52] <Wug> because you don't really know what you're talking about
#235 [03:52] <Piyok> Wug: I'm just saying that it's not always the website's fault for people being scammed.
#236 [03:52] <Wug> let me put it this way
#237 [03:53] <GreyVulpine> So those people were buying pictures of minecraft gift codes then?
#238 [03:53] <Piyok> GreyVulpine: A mobile phone.
#239 [03:53] <Wug> you cant guarantee that someone selling it somewhere else is legit
#240 [03:53] <GreyVulpine> All their fault for not reading the nonexistant fine print?
#241 [03:53] <Wug> you can guarantee that mojang will give you an authentic code
#242 [03:53] <Wug> qed, only buy it from minecraft.net
#243 [03:53] <Piyok> Wug: Trusted sellers.
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#245 [03:53] <Wug> Piyok: list them
#246 [03:53] <Piyok> Wug: Nope.
#247 [03:53] <Wug> I'll give you a hint
#248 [03:54] <Wug> minecraft's list of authorized resellers has exactly zero entries
#249 [03:54] <Wug> this conversation is over
#250 [03:54] <Piyok> I'm 95% positive that you've got some kind of problem about that, am I right?
#251 [03:54] <GreyVulpine> You would be wrong
#252 [03:54] <Wug> ;q Piyok
#253 [03:54] <YaMeZ> lol
#254 [03:54] * DiskDaemon reads the logs
#254 [03:55] <Wug> .. and here come the queries
#255 [03:55] <GreyVulpine> I can give you dozens of logs just with "allegro.pl"... it's a rather popular site for people getting scammed
#256 [03:55] <Yakuzing> I really wanted to see someone ask Piyok not to refer others to buying at ebaysites, rather than trying to get him to see the great risk
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#258 [03:57] <sugoi> i almost feel ashamed hoping he learns his lesson the miserably hard way
#259 [03:57] * Wug yawn
#259 [03:57] <DiskDaemon> $5 isn't too bad where lessons are concerned
#260 [03:57] <sugoi> no not at all
#261 [03:58] <sugoi> unfortunately :)
#262 [03:58] <Wug> ;dq Piyok
#263 [03:59] <Piyok> I was right that the conversation was going aggresive by now.
#264 [03:59] <Piyok> But it's hopefully over now.
#265 [04:00] <Piyok> I wonder if Notch will make a give-away of codes on the next x-mas too.
#266 [04:01] <Piyok> Would use another account for sure.
#267 [04:01] <DiskDaemon> http://www.mojang.com/2011/04/achtung-uwaga-attention/
#268 [04:02] <Piyok> What's that exactly?
#269 [04:02] <DiskDaemon> It's official word from Mojang.
#270 [04:02] <Wug> this is the part where you all drop it
#271 [04:02] <Piyok> Ah, okay.
#272 [04:03] * DiskDaemon steps back way from the body
#272 [04:03] * Piyok doesn't see the body anywhere but steps back too.
#272 [04:07] <Piyok> Those animals are really annoying now.
#273 [04:08] <Piyok> I don't think a normal animal would be pushing a human in real life, they would rather flee.
#274 [04:08] <Wug> irl cows are pretty derp
#275 [04:08] <Piyok> I wonder if that's possible to make pigs, cows and sheep run away from the player like ocelots are used to do.
#276 [04:08] <GreyVulpine> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9USR4MWjXI
#277 [04:09] <Wug> .. a 1 minute movie
#278 [04:09] <Wug> WITH A 20 SECOND AD
#279 [04:09] <Piyok> I like cows.
#280 [04:09] <Piyok> Mainly because they have long tongues.
#281 [04:09] <DiskDaemon> 1:40 ad for me, with a 5 second skip
#282 [04:09] <Piyok> Lol
#283 [04:10] <Wug> ... I want one
#284 [04:10] <Piyok> Do you think lions are REALLY that cute in real life too?
#285 [04:10] <Wug> little ones are
#286 [04:11] <Piyok> You would rather end with your head lost when it would grow up.
#287 [04:11] <GreyVulpine> Big ones as well: www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdPZqW7Z_9A
#288 [04:11] <Piyok> But actually... I've heard of a guy that has tamed a male lion. It's an adult one now but it acts like a pet and it is harmless for humans.
#289 [04:11] <Wug> I raise your skepticism christian the lian
#290 [04:11] <Wug> lion*
#291 [04:11] <Wug> I need sleep
#292 [04:11] <Piyok> I'm not christian. :o
#293 [04:11] <GreyVulpine> No sleep for you
#294 [04:12] <Piyok> Wug
#295 [04:12] <Piyok> Play SCP-087!
#296 [04:12] <Wug> Piyok: it was its name
#297 [04:12] * Wug scpwiki
#297 [04:12] <Piyok> It will make you awake for over a week.
#298 [04:12] <Piyok> There's no article about that game in wikipedia.
#299 [04:12] <Piyok> But let me explain it to you what kind of game it is.
#300 [04:12] <Piyok> You're just a person thrown into a huge ass staircase.
#301 [04:12] <GreyVulpine> !wiki scp-087
#302 [04:12] <GreyBot> Wikipedia No Match
#303 [04:13] <Piyok> And well, pretty much you just need to go as low as possible.
#304 [04:13] <Wug> !google scpwiki 087
#305 [04:13] <GreyVulpine> !wiki scp
#306 [04:13] <GreyBot> Wikipedia Found: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_copy
#307 [04:13] <GreyBot> Secure Copy or SCP is a means of securely transferring computer files between a local host and a remote host or between two remote hosts. It is based on the Secure Shell (SSH) protocol.
#308 [04:13] * GreyVulpine snrks
#308 [04:13] <Piyok> Duh.
#309 [04:13] <Wug> thats what I found when I first looked for it
#310 [04:13] <Wug> it stands for 'secure, contain, protect'
#311 [04:13] <Wug> !wiki secure contain protect
#312 [04:13] <GreyBot> Wikipedia Found: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodyguard
#313 [04:13] <GreyBot> A bodyguard (or close protection officer) is a type of security operative or government agent who protects a person or persons — usually a public, wealthy, or politically important figure(s) — from danger: generally theft, assault, kidnapping, homicide, harassment, loss of confidential information, threats, or other criminal offences.
#314 [04:13] <Wug> .. just google it
#315 [04:14] <Piyok> Oh sorry! It's SCP-087-B
#316 [04:14] <GreyVulpine> Pfft, google isn't loaded into Greybot
#317 [04:14] <GreyVulpine> I should readd that
#318 [04:14] <Wug> Piyok: fun fact
#319 [04:14] <Wug> i've read all of them up to about the 600s or so
#320 [04:14] <Wug> and a few interesting looking ones higher up
#321 [04:15] <Piyok> Well, if I can figure out how to get that game.
#322 [04:15] <Piyok> But I heard rumors that the game is based off the real happenings.
#323 [04:15] <Wug> try google: 'scp 087 game'
#324 [04:15] <Wug> it was a suggested search
#325 [04:15] <Piyok> I mean, it's probably 25% true.
#326 [04:15] <Wug> my knowledge of them is not quite as encyclopediac as that of xkcd comics
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#328 [04:16] * GreyVulpine pokes Wug
#328 [04:16] * Wug is poke
#328 [04:16] <GreyVulpine> 1.2.4 of Bukkit has an RB out
#329 [04:16] <GreyVulpine> http://dl.bukkit.org/downloads/craftbukkit/
#330 [04:16] <Wug> I heard about that, thing is I dont care -.-
#331 [04:16] <Wug> I dont use bukkit
#332 [04:16] <Piyok> Oh hey, I got it.
#333 [04:17] <Piyok> Oh no, wait that's just something else.
#334 [04:17] <Wug> Piyok: it doesnt matter. ive seen scarier things and slept anyway
#335 [04:17] <Piyok> Well, it's a little difficult to find a download of that game.
#336 [04:17] <Piyok> Scary things don't make you not sleep.
#337 [04:17] <Piyok> Only creepy things do.
#338 [04:17] <Wug> creepy things either
#339 [04:18] <Piyok> Wug, actually while playing that game, I was afraid to walk in the night.
#340 [04:18] <Wug> I used to be afraid of the dark a long time ago
#341 [04:18] <Piyok> Because when I was playing that game and reached 60th floor, something was pushing me around and I saw a glowing face in the dark, looking at me.
#342 [04:18] <Wug> irrational fear is artificial
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#344 [04:18] <Piyok> After I walked close to it, some creepy damn hands grabbed me and the game closed itself.
#345 [04:19] <Wug> have you played amnesia
#346 [04:19] <Piyok> Yes
#347 [04:19] <Wug> amnesia does that
#348 [04:19] <Wug> or was it one of the expansion sets
#349 [04:19] <Piyok> Aww, yeah. That's kinda scary.
#350 [04:20] <Piyok> The only thing that makes it difficult for me to play that game is the fact I don't have any weaponry with myself.
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#352 [04:22] <Piyok> Oh, also I am afraid of big and loud things following me.
#353 [04:22] <Piyok> Had biggest problems in HL1 and HL2 for example, with those gargantuas and antlion guards chasing after me.
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#355 [04:26] <Piyok> I wonder if SCP exists IRL.
#356 [04:26] <DiskDaemon> That was a special moment when they turn from your enemy to your allies
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#374 [07:27] <sine> hi
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#376 [07:27] <sine> whats the best way to get "silk touch"
#377 [07:27] <|Kiikun|> lots and lots of enchanting.
#378 [07:27] <Grim_Reaper> Alot of bookshelves and alot of exp + enchanting
#379 [07:28] <|Kiikun|> http://pernsteiner.org/minecraft/enchant/tables/Silk_1.html
#380 [07:28] <Grim_Reaper> Also hai |Kiikun| <3
#381 [07:29] <|Kiikun|> hiya grim
#382 [07:29] * |Kiikun| just finished with work for class.. and will be going to class in a bit
#382 [07:30] <|Kiikun|> btw... this song is awsome. http://youtu.be/TLlFNhYr7tQ
#383 [07:31] <sine> gold tools suck they last like 10 uses....
#384 [07:32] <|Kiikun|> yes. but they are the easiest to enchant (have the highest base enchanting value)
#385 [07:32] <sine> you cant enchant more than once though can you
#386 [07:33] <|Kiikun|> you cant reenchant an item.
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#388 [07:34] <|Kiikun|> you CAN use the repair feature to disenchant an item though.. but you still lose one
#389 [07:34] <sine> and what are people talking about "chests" took me 3 chests to find one
#390 [07:34] <sine> i dont understand this
#391 [07:35] <|Kiikun|> huh? chests?
#392 [07:35] <sine> O.K, I have been trying to find silk touch and it took me 2 chests of axes but when I finally got it, I was wondering if I could Pick up Ice Blocks so I could use them in the Nether
#393 [07:35] <|Kiikun|> cant silktouch ice anymore
#394 [07:36] <|Kiikun|> and if it does come back in, there will peobably be additional code to prevent ice/water in the nether
#395 [07:37] <sine> heh whats wrong with that tho, its a cool idea to use for hte silk touch
#396 [07:37] <Grim_Reaper> I like ice blocks
#397 [07:37] <|Kiikun|> me too. woudl love to have the ability to silk them back for ease of collection streams :P
#398 [07:37] <Grim_Reaper> :p
#399 [07:37] <|Kiikun|> instead of... say.. piston transporting them :/
#400 [07:38] <Grim_Reaper> I just use invedit to do that though
#401 [07:38] <sine> why do you want ice blocks for ?
#402 [07:38] <Grim_Reaper> Cause I wanted to build an ice cave
#403 [07:38] <Grim_Reaper> Which I did :D
#404 [07:38] <geraldbrent> Or McEdit, or SPC, or TMI
#405 [07:38] <|Kiikun|> items move faster over ice :P
#406 [07:39] <|Kiikun|> ok school time. BYE!
#407 [07:39] <Grim_Reaper> Bye :<
#408 [07:39] <sine> you can silk touch mob spawners tho right ?
#409 [07:39] <|Kiikun|> nope.
#410 [07:39] <sine> WHAT
#411 [07:40] <sine> i thought you could
#412 [07:40] <Grim_Reaper> If I recall you were able to at first
#413 [07:40] <Grim_Reaper> But that got fixed
#414 [07:40] <|Kiikun|> when silktouch was introduced, yes
#415 [07:40] <sine> thats AWSOME. why would they remove that
#416 [07:40] <Grim_Reaper> No idea
#417 [07:40] <|Kiikun|> because? ^^; it wasnt intended initially
#418 [07:40] <Grim_Reaper> ^
#419 [07:41] <|Kiikun|> google notch or jeb tweeting about it
#420 [07:41] <Grim_Reaper> I wish I could touch a creeper
#421 [07:41] <Grim_Reaper> Non sexually of course ~
#422 [07:41] <|Kiikun|> oh! also mob spawners if invedited in, when placed will be pig spawners
#423 [07:41] <|Kiikun|> that was probably the main reason.
#424 [07:42] <|Kiikun|> the mob is spawns is stored as a tile entity and isnt 'saveable' with the block itself
#425 [07:43] * |Kiikun| gets a cruel idea... Enderdragon Spawner. >:D
#425 [07:44] <Grim_Reaper> lol
#426 [07:44] <Grim_Reaper> I have one in my musuem
#427 [07:44] * |Kiikun| sugests to Vechs
#427 [07:44] <geraldbrent> Ah fuck
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#429 [07:44] <Grim_Reaper> gg
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#433 [07:58] <Piyok> Is there any way to fetch the skin file if I don't have it in my PC?
#434 [07:58] <GreyVulpine> YEs
#435 [07:59] <Piyok> How?
#436 [07:59] <GreyVulpine> http://s3.amazonaws.com/MinecraftSkins/GreyVulpine.png
#437 [07:59] <geraldbrent> http://minotar.net/skin/usernamehere
#438 [07:59] <GreyVulpine> Replace my name, with yours
#439 [08:00] <GreyVulpine> It is caps sensitive
#440 [08:01] <Piyok> Doesn't work.
#441 [08:01] <GreyVulpine> Yes it does, if you put in your name correctly
#442 [08:02] <Piyok> I've put it correctly and all I get is a clone skin.
#443 [08:02] <GreyVulpine> What is your MC username?
#444 [08:02] <Piyok> Wait.
#445 [08:02] <Piyok> It works now.
#446 [08:03] <Piyok> Just kidding, it doesn't.
#447 [08:03] <Piyok> It's just a normal PNG file.
#448 [08:03] <GreyVulpine> Right, that's your skin
#449 [08:03] <GreyVulpine> Could you tell me what your MC username is?
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#452 [08:05] <djv1rus> hi !
#453 [08:05] <GreyVulpine> 'lo
#454 [08:05] <Piyok> Hello djv1rus.
#455 [08:05] <djv1rus> i am using minecraft overviewer and im searching for a way to include an applet of the game
#456 [08:06] <djv1rus> but i ve got probleme wit params session id and so on
#457 [08:06] <djv1rus> is it a way to force the official applet game to ask identification ?
#458 [08:07] <GreyVulpine> Not really sure what you're asking
#459 [08:08] <djv1rus> the applet in minecraft.net/game and his main class search an identification with params of the applet generated by minecraft.net
#460 [08:08] <GreyVulpine> That's not something we'll be willing to help you with here.
#461 [08:09] <djv1rus> ok can u tell me where is the good place please ?
#462 [08:09] <GreyVulpine> Can't say. Haven't heard of any.
#463 [08:10] <djv1rus> no java dev here ? :)
#464 [08:11] <DiskDaemon> hello
#465 [08:11] <GreyVulpine> Plenty of java devs here. Not a topic that is suitable for this channel
#466 [08:11] <djv1rus> maybe someone can help me in private ?
#467 [08:11] <djv1rus> 3day im searching where to ask lol
#468 [08:12] <Piyok> Maybe in minecraft scrpiting?
#469 [08:14] <djv1rus> i dont find in the list
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#480 [09:01] <Giagal> Hello! Since the 1.2.4 upgrade the game is giving me a headache. 1.2.3 used to work fine on my MacBook OS 10.5.8, Intel Core 2 Duo, 1GB RAM. I had only Optifine installed, and that made the trick of removing lag. Now, with the update, I am in the dark again. Lag, and practically unplayable again. Has anyone come up with some sensible solutions?
#481 [09:01] <GreyVulpine> Update your computer?
#482 [09:02] <Giagal> Done that
#483 [09:02] <Giagal> I have the latest Java too
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#485 [09:02] <GreyVulpine> I meant, hardware wise
#486 [09:02] <GreyVulpine> That 1GB of RAM, and unlisted video chipset is probably what's holding your computer back from running minecraft smoothly
#487 [09:02] <Giagal> I know, my hardware is pretty basic, but still, it used to work fine just a few days ago. Cannot be a hardware problem
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#489 [09:07] <Giagal> Thank you anyway
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#493 [09:35] <sine> hi
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#513 [12:32] <mohawk> Im trying to join my local server. I get logging in, but then it just stops and says: Disconnected by Server Took too long to log in. It worked a week ago, but now it doesn´t.. Ports has been forwarded correctly. I can also not join from a different computer on the same local network..
#514 [12:33] <GreyVulpine> Server updated?
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#516 [12:33] <mohawk> no, how do i do that?
#517 [12:33] <GreyVulpine> Redownload the server software.
#518 [12:33] <mohawk> oh, ok. i´ll try that and come back to you if it doesn´t work. Thanks :)
#519 [12:40] <mohawk> that worked, thanks dude!
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#525 [13:32] <sugoi> GreyVulpine: do you get char encoding mismatching with mohawk?
#526 [13:32] * sugoi is wondering what locale he is missing
#526 [13:33] <Calinou> works fine for me
#527 [13:33] <Calinou> heh, you use irssi
#528 [13:33] <Calinou> *that's normal*
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#531 [13:37] <turkeylord01> hello
#532 [13:37] <turkeylord01> somebody help me pls
#533 [13:38] <Piyok> We won't help you if you won't state your problem here.
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#535 [13:43] <sugoi> Calinou: :/ irssi, normal, what? are you trying to mock irssi? me confused
#536 [13:43] <sugoi> Piyok: scaring the little people?
#537 [13:46] * Calinou doesn't like irssi
#537 [13:46] <Calinou> commandline... meh.
#538 [13:56] <sugoi> Calinou: heh, [this] machine doesn't even have a gui (although, `this` is tunneled about 3 times, my current location be many miles away from `this` machine)
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#540 [13:57] <NinjaKirby> "Enjoy your massive ping"
#541 [13:57] <______________________________> hai
#542 [13:57] <NinjaKirby> dafuq
#543 [13:57] <sugoi> ;q hai
#544 [13:57] <sugoi> :)
#545 [13:58] <sugoi> mr ___, can you change your nick?
#546 [13:58] <sugoi> use /nick better
#547 [13:58] <______________________________> y?
#548 [13:58] <______________________________> i like my nick
#549 [13:58] <______________________________> looks unique
#550 [13:58] * sugoi laughs
#550 [13:58] <Grim_Reaper> ;k ______________________________ please change your nick
#551 [13:58] * WugBot kicked ______________________________ from #minecrafthelp (Reason: _____________________________ :please change your nick)
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#553 [13:58] <sugoi> Grim_Reaper: psh, i was going to do that
#554 [13:59] <Grim_Reaper> lol
#555 [13:59] <sugoi> ;q ______________________________ plz change your nick
#556 [13:59] <______________________________> lolol
#557 [13:59] <______________________________> lololol
#558 [13:59] * Kealper kicked ______________________________ from #minecrafthelp (Reason: _____________________________ :______________________________)
#559 [13:59] <Grim_Reaper> Thanks Kealper <3
#560 [13:59] <sugoi> why i no quiet!?
#561 [13:59] <Grim_Reaper> Lol what a gov?
#562 [13:59] <Grim_Reaper> wtf
#563 [13:59] <GreyVulpine> sugoi - You quieted a "hai" nick
#564 [14:00] <GreyVulpine> That person most certainly did not have a nick of "hai"
#565 [14:00] <NinjaKirby> The chat window now looks like shyte
#566 [14:00] <sugoi> NinjaKirby: ping fail for irc? :) besides, my server has 35mbit up, so it no thang
#567 [14:00] <sugoi> GreyVulpine: the first time
#568 [14:00] <NinjaKirby> It was my belief Ping was time taken for data to reach it's destination, so Bandwidth would have no impact.
#569 [14:01] <sugoi> NinjaKirby: well true, you are correct
#570 [14:01] <sugoi> NinjaKirby: but they are related bc if your bandwidth is taxed, ping is increased
#571 [14:01] <sugoi> so, my bandwidth is n'er taxed, thus my ping doesn't suffer
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#573 [14:01] <sugoi> suffer _more_
#574 [14:02] <NinjaKirby> Fairy'nuff, also, I wish I had your connection speed XD
#575 [14:03] * GreyVulpine snrks
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#577 [14:20] <lolleutelol> Hello :)
#578 [14:20] <GreyVulpine> 'lo
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#581 [14:22] <Calinou> "besides, my server has 35mbit up, so it no thang"
#582 [14:22] <Calinou> I have 0.35mbit up. pwned :)
#583 [14:22] <Calinou> 100x slower heh
#584 [14:22] <sugoi> haha
#585 [14:22] <Calinou> 2.4mbit down, pwned too.
#586 [14:22] <sugoi> :)
#587 [14:23] <lolleutelol> I have a problem, I installed GLSL Shaders but it doesn't do anything ... I install it, and it says installed, but doesnt show anything ingame :(
#588 [14:23] <sugoi> NinjaKirby: you were totally right tho, i failed to respond to your ping-point
#589 [14:23] <GreyVulpine> lolleutelol - What version of minecraft are you on?
#590 [14:23] <GreyVulpine> GLSL Shaders, last I heard, was still not updated for 1.2.4 yet
#591 [14:23] <lolleutelol> 1.2.3 - Fresh Update and downgrade via MCNostalgia
#592 [14:25] <GreyVulpine> Hmm... and you don't get any additional graphics options?
#593 [14:26] <lolleutelol> Nope
#594 [14:27] <GreyVulpine> Could you try adding one of these custom shaders on top of that, see if it takes effect?
#595 [14:27] <GreyVulpine> http://daxnitro.wikia.com/wiki/Alternative_Shaders_%28Shaders2%29
#596 [14:29] <lolleutelol> Well, now I gett more Options in the menu, but I think thats because of OptiFine
#597 [14:30] <Calinou> by default DoF and waving wheat/grass is installed
#598 [14:33] <lolleutelol> And, if I want these http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/940974-123sonic-ethers-unbelievable-shaders-glsl-shaders-dynamic-shadows-more/
#599 [14:34] <lolleutelol> do I have to install something else first ? except OptiFine ?
#600 [14:34] * sugoi `paste & go`s
#600 [14:35] <sugoi> heh, shaders done with, shaders
#601 [14:35] <sugoi> very nice effect
#602 [14:38] <sugoi> lolleutelol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ir1kMoGpWM&feature=player_embedded#!
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#604 [14:38] <lolleutelol> Hm .. suddenly working .. but thx for trying to help ^^
#605 [14:39] <sugoi> lolleutelol: @ 1:12, the guys laugh, yikes
#606 [14:40] <lolleutelol> sugoi lol :D
#607 [14:42] <lolleutelol> Thats weird .. I have 15 fps, but still everything runs perfect o.O
#608 [14:42] <Calinou> GLSL shaders take up a whole friggin lot of resources
#609 [14:42] <Calinou> keep in mind this is a java game :P
#610 [14:44] <lolleutelol> Yep :) Gonna give it 4GB now :)
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#613 [14:44] <Calinou> more ram doesn't give more FPS
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#615 [14:44] <lolleutelol> srsly ?
#616 [14:44] <sugoi> lolleutelol: you don't make a pig more attractive by throwing more food at it
#617 [14:45] <lolleutelol> oh .. im stupid :)
#618 [14:45] <Morrolan> For most PCs the CPU's the bottleneck in Minecraft. :)
#619 [14:45] <clarjon1> heh.
#620 [14:45] <Calinou> lol sugoi, great point :P
#621 [14:46] <Calinou> Morrolan, minecraft is both cpu and gpu intensive
#622 [14:46] <Calinou> plus it's not multithreaded
#623 [14:46] <Calinou> my i7 doesn't like that :<
#624 [14:46] <Calinou> well, it still runs at constant 60FPS, I have forced vsync
#625 [14:46] <Morrolan> Eh, it does use the GPU quite a bit, yea, but for me it's the CPU.
#626 [14:46] <Morrolan> Might be that my GPU is just much stronger than my CPU though.
#627 [14:47] <sugoi> when Morrolan speaks, it's like hearing morpheus talk from the real world and i'm in the matrix
#628 [14:47] <Morrolan> ^.^
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#630 [14:47] <sugoi> Calinou: if you unleashed the gpu (unrestrained it, no vsync), the cpu spike may become more evident for you
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#632 [14:51] <Morrolan> DopeGhoti - How long do these "nick flood" bans last, actually? :)
#633 [14:51] <lolleutelol> Ehm, so how can I get more FPS ?
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#635 [14:52] <Morrolan> Decreasing view distance is the easiest solution I'd say.
#636 [14:52] <Morrolan> Apart from that, playing around with the other settings might help too. Really depends on what component is the bottleneck in your PC.
#637 [14:52] <Morrolan> Lastly you could, ofcourse, buy new hardware.
#638 [14:53] <sugoi> lolleutelol: you could use your perf monitor to watch mem usage, cpu usage (it'd be spiked on one core)
#639 [14:53] <sugoi> also, gpuz to help you see your gpu usage
#640 [14:53] <sugoi> that'll help you find y our bottleneck
#641 [14:53] <lolleutelol> Laptop :)
#642 [14:53] * sugoi sometimes wonders w here the extr a spaces co me from
#642 [14:55] <Calinou> sugoi, no point in having more than 60FPS :P
#643 [14:55] <Calinou> more stress for hardware > less eventual lifetime
#644 [14:55] <Calinou> lolleutelol, using optifine? set fog to "off"
#645 [14:55] <Calinou> and set advanced opengl to off, CPU hog
#646 [14:55] <TheMouldyMarsBar> Hi
#647 [14:57] <sugoi> NinjaKirby: best i can tell..and i'm a noob a bit... is my ping is 3.8ms
#648 [14:57] <lolleutelol> Okey .. thanks :)
#649 [14:57] <sugoi> i can't ping directly, one reason icmp is ignored
#650 [14:57] <sugoi> but i set up a connection test of sorts
#651 [14:57] <NinjaKirby> wut
#652 [14:58] <clarjon1> 3.8ms?
#653 [14:58] <sugoi> OH sorry
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#655 [14:58] <sugoi> 38ms
#656 [14:58] <clarjon1> yeah
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#658 [14:58] <sugoi> :)
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#664 [15:16] <anadon> I can't get minecraft to run under ubuntu 12.04. openjdk-6-jre and openjdk-7-jre are installed.
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#666 [15:21] <NinjaKirby> Assuming one is remotely skilled in a Graphics Application, is it easy to modify blocks/items in Minecraft and applying it?
#667 [15:22] <NinjaKirby> Changing the Textures, or the pictures that come with paintings.
#668 [15:23] <NinjaKirby> Actually, scratch that, must be some Tutorials about regarding making Adventure Maps.
#669 [15:28] <NinjaKirby> Oh wow, that's a relief, it's actually really easy :3
#670 [15:29] <Yakuzing> my gf figured out how to switch out paintings =)
#671 [15:29] <Yakuzing> so yea it should be easy enough
#672 [15:30] <NinjaKirby> Aye, according to this, it's a piece of cake.
#673 [15:35] <Morrolan> anadrom - Try Sun's Java.
#674 [15:35] <Morrolan> Or, to begin with, try to launch Minecraft with either of these two OpenJDKs you've got.
#675 [15:35] <Morrolan> Might be that it'll work with the non-default one.
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#677 [15:40] <gibrsen> My bin folder disappeared from my computer
#678 [15:41] <Yakuzing> no biggie, you can get a new one
#679 [15:41] <lemon-rev> gibrsen when did that happen ?
#680 [15:41] <gibrsen> Well I never even found it
#681 [15:42] <lemon-rev> gibrsen what you cant find your .minecraft folder or the folder your talking about just didnt show up
#682 [15:42] <gibrsen> Hm well the folder that has the bin and other things in it, so yes, I'm assuming .minecraft.
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#684 [15:43] <lemon-rev> gibrsen can yuo log into minecraft.net and click on the home page in broswer ?
#685 [15:44] <NinjaKirby> (Presumably looking under the correct User directory? :3)
#686 [15:44] <gibrsen> Okay
#687 [15:44] <gibrsen> Did it
#688 [15:44] <lemon-rev> gibrsen i want you to tell me if it works ot what it doe
#689 [15:44] <gibrsen> If what works
#690 [15:45] <lemon-rev> well if that works then every thing should be intact and you might beable to use the launcher prog
#691 [15:45] <gibrsen> I'll try using the launcher.
#692 [15:45] <lemon-rev> ok
#693 [15:46] <gibrsen> Nothing happened...
#694 [15:46] <lemon-rev> gibrsen are you seeing a black screen ?
#695 [15:47] <gibrsen> When I use the launcher?
#696 [15:47] <lemon-rev> yes
#697 [15:47] <gibrsen> No it just opens minecraft
#698 [15:47] <lemon-rev> where does it get to ?
#699 [15:47] <lemon-rev> like what screen do you see ?
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#701 [15:48] <gibrsen> The login screen with version history
#702 [15:48] <lemon-rev> ok and if you click the button to load the game then what ?
#703 [15:48] <gibrsen> I'll try that
#704 [15:49] <gibrsen> It said stuff like downloading packages
#705 [15:50] <lemon-rev> good stuff, see what happens when thats done
#706 [15:50] <gibrsen> It finished
#707 [15:50] <lemon-rev> ok nw what you see ?
#708 [15:50] <gibrsen> Now it's stuck on the Mojang screen.
#709 [15:50] <gibrsen> Oh now it's loaded
#710 [15:50] <lemon-rev> yay
#711 [15:50] <gibrsen> So what do I do
#712 [15:51] <lemon-rev> ok start a new work
#713 [15:51] <lemon-rev> world
#714 [15:51] <gibrsen> Okay I did it
#715 [15:51] <lemon-rev> k
#716 [15:52] <gibrsen> Now what
#717 [15:52] <lemon-rev> do you know how to play minecraft ?
#718 [15:52] <gibrsen> Yes
#719 [15:52] <gibrsen> I just can't find the bin folder
#720 [15:53] <gibrsen> I've been playing it since November!
#721 [15:53] <lemon-rev> its in c: and it should be in %appdata%
#722 [15:53] <gibrsen> I have a mac...
#723 [15:53] <lemon-rev> under my documents
#724 [15:53] <lemon-rev> hm
#725 [15:53] <TheMouldyMarsBar> lengthy
#726 [15:53] <TheMouldyMarsBar> *lmgtfy
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#728 [15:55] <gibrsen> So what do I do?
#729 [15:55] <TheMouldyMarsBar> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=How+to+find+Minecraft.jar+on+a+Macintosh
#730 [15:55] <d3rfu5> Hi!
#731 [15:55] <gibrsen> I need to find the BIN FOLDER.
#732 [15:55] <TheMouldyMarsBar> Go there, it's a Google link
#733 [15:55] <gibrsen> I found the minecraft.jar!
#734 [15:55] <TheMouldyMarsBar> But if you find Minecraft.jar
#735 [15:55] <lemon-rev> ok good stuff
#736 [15:55] <TheMouldyMarsBar> Then you find bin
#737 [15:56] <gibrsen> Well I found minecraft.jar but I haven't found bin...
#738 [15:56] <TheMouldyMarsBar> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=where+is+minecraft+bin+folder+on+Macintosh
#739 [15:57] <d3rfu5> My MC is crashing everytime I log in. I tried delete/restarting/ etc and no success. Here his the crash log: http://pastebin.com/Dk3u0Tr9
#740 [15:58] <lemon-rev> d3rfu5 goto java.com and update
#741 [15:58] <gibrsen> YAY THANK YOU
#742 [15:59] <TheMouldyMarsBar> GITF = Google is your friend
#743 [15:59] <d3rfu5> :O I had Java 7 ah maybe it went away when I uninstalled netbeans :/
#744 [15:59] <gibrsen> Giyf*
#745 [16:00] <TheMouldyMarsBar> gibrsen: sorry I couldn't help
#746 [16:00] <TheMouldyMarsBar> But google could
#747 [16:00] <TheMouldyMarsBar> But google could
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#750 [16:02] <d3rfu5> lemon-rev Java 7 is installed, why does MC does not recognize it ?
#751 [16:02] <lemon-rev> i dont know, whats it doing ?
#752 [16:03] <d3rfu5> Could you clarify your question please
#753 [16:03] <lemon-rev> d3rfu5 im trying to find out what you mean by mc notseeing java 7 ?
#754 [16:04] <d3rfu5> As you can see in the pastebin document, MC is using java 1.7
#755 [16:04] <TheMouldyMarsBar> 1) Upgrade your computer, and stop using goddamn XP.
#756 [16:04] <d3rfu5> XP is better than vista
#757 [16:04] <lemon-rev> im useing xp and it works fine
#758 [16:04] <TheMouldyMarsBar> I use windows 7 and windows 8
#759 [16:05] <lemon-rev> nice work, over ram useage computer
#760 [16:05] <lemon-rev> but anyways
#761 [16:05] <d3rfu5> so ? I have a craptop and no money to spend but enought of me
#762 [16:05] <TheMouldyMarsBar> Ubuntu is on my old laptop, OSX is on my Mac, 7 on my main laptop and 8 on my handbuild
#763 [16:06] <lemon-rev> d3rfu5 could be your trouble, how old is that laptop, maybe also try log into minecraft.net and see if you can click in broswer and get it to load
#764 [16:07] <d3rfu5> It's not a hardware related since I've been runnning minecraft since months (even the 1.2.4)
#765 [16:07] <TheMouldyMarsBar> I used to have a craptop, until I noticed W7 and Vista were lagging on it
#766 [16:07] <TheMouldyMarsBar> And MC wasnt working
#767 [16:07] <lemon-rev> d3rfu5 so when did it stop working
#768 [16:08] <d3rfu5> Today
#769 [16:09] <lemon-rev> so what happend since today when you tryed to get it to work and before
#770 [16:09] <gibrsen> Is mod loader out for 1.2.4
#771 [16:10] <d3rfu5> Let me check if the path of java 7 is still up
#772 [16:10] <TheMouldyMarsBar> gibrsen: should be, but ask on #risucraft
#773 [16:12] <d3rfu5> Ok so even fixing the path of java doesn't work, it is still working on Java 1.7.0_03
#774 [16:13] <lemon-rev> so the game works or what, and what are you seeing when you try to launch the game ?
#775 [16:14] <d3rfu5> The crashlog that I gave you
#776 [16:14] <lemon-rev> trying to ignore that crash log, ok can do a dxdiag
#777 [16:14] <lemon-rev> ??> d3rfu5 win/dxdiag
#778 [16:14] <VoxelHead> d3rfu5: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#779 [16:14] <VoxelHead> d3rfu5: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
#780 [16:17] <d3rfu5> Here you go
#781 [16:17] <d3rfu5> http://pastebin.com/0N7f4UPj
#782 [16:19] <lemon-rev> http://www.nvidia.co.uk/object/geforce_notebook_winxp_179.48_beta_uk.html < please try updateing your video drivers
#783 [16:20] <d3rfu5> Well that still does not explain why MC is using java 1.7
#784 [16:20] <lemon-rev> i dnot know, but i dont care if the game works after you update your video drivers
#785 [16:22] <d3rfu5> Ok
#786 [16:24] <d3rfu5> Hum BTW, I've recently installed Ghost recon online beta, could that be the issue ?
#787 [16:24] <lemon-rev> no
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#789 [16:25] <lemon-rev> why would installing another game on your system cause another game to not work
#790 [16:25] <d3rfu5> I got some DX errors with that just wondering
#791 [16:26] <lemon-rev> dx errors are to do with the game not mc, mc is code and ajva based should not even use direct x
#792 [16:27] <d3rfu5> I know, it may have altered some settings since now MC is using 1.7
#793 [16:28] <lemon-rev> i dont think so, mc is its own game and the only alteration that could happen if the system somehow re covfigers it self
#794 [16:29] <d3rfu5> hum
#795 [16:29] <d3rfu5> I've never seen something like that :/
#796 [16:31] <clarjon1> Minecraft doesn't use Direct-X
#797 [16:31] <clarjon1> it doesn't even install system libraries
#798 [16:31] <d3rfu5> No kidding :O
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#800 [16:31] <TheMouldyMarsBar> I have a Minecraft question
#801 [16:31] <clarjon1> aaaaand, it'll be using java 1.7 if you have your path set to load java1.7
#802 [16:31] <d3rfu5> lemon, could you tell me what you get in the pink rectangle please ? > http://javatester.org/version.html
#803 [16:32] <d3rfu5> Path is set to java 7
#804 [16:32] <TheMouldyMarsBar> Why the frick did Mojang make Caveman Squidwards and not Pigmen Villagers?
#805 [16:32] <clarjon1> Well, that's why it's using it. :)
#806 [16:32] <clarjon1> TheMouldyMarsBar: That's an old question
#807 [16:32] <lemon-rev> im still getting 1.6.0_31
#808 [16:32] <clarjon1> hmm.
#809 [16:32] <d3rfu5> hum ok
#810 [16:32] <clarjon1> is he on a 64bit system?
#811 [16:32] <d3rfu5> nope
#812 [16:32] <d3rfu5> old XP 36
#813 [16:32] <TheMouldyMarsBar> clarjon1: I still hate them though
#814 [16:32] <d3rfu5> 32bits
#815 [16:33] <clarjon1> TheMouldyMarsBar: So do i. Wanna know what I like to do?
#816 [16:33] <TheMouldyMarsBar> What?
#817 [16:33] <TheMouldyMarsBar> Use the banhammer?
#818 [16:34] <clarjon1> TheMouldyMarsBar: Install industrialcraft, find a village, turn it into a tech paradise, then 'forget' to put in new coolant, and move to a decent distance...
#819 [16:34] <d3rfu5> So?
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#821 [16:34] <clarjon1> That's all I've figured out how to do with industrialcraft so far... make things go boom xD
#822 [16:36] <d3rfu5> Found the error but how to fix it ? ([failed to get system properties (java.lang.NullPointerException)]"
#823 [16:37] <lemon-rev> d3rfu5 do you know how to kill java and reinstall it maybe not use 1.7 but just java from java.com < what ever it wants to load up
#824 [16:38] <lemon-rev> You have the recommended Java installed (Version 6 Update 31).
#825 [16:38] <lemon-rev> thats on mine
#826 [16:39] <d3rfu5> Well I have both installed jre6 and jre7, in fact, I just found out that the 1.7 refers to jre7 and 1.6 to jre6
#827 [16:39] <d3rfu5> (the jre6 Update 31)
#828 [16:39] <lemon-rev> hm,
#829 [16:39] <d3rfu5> :D
#830 [16:39] <lemon-rev> so did you do the video update ?
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#832 [16:40] <d3rfu5> 3 mns left until download completion
#833 [16:40] <lemon-rev> ok
#834 [16:40] <d3rfu5> Even thought I thinks it is not related to that
#835 [16:41] <lemon-rev> it might not, but its still a good idear
#836 [16:41] <d3rfu5> Yes thanks
#837 [16:41] <d3rfu5> BTW, didn't it surprise you to see DX 10 on xp ?
#838 [16:41] <DopeGhoti> Morrolan|away: Three hours.
#839 [16:44] <d3rfu5> Dl done
#840 [16:44] <lemon-rev> no why shoudl it, and it shoulnt really matter to that affect
#841 [16:46] <d3rfu5> Installing...
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#843 [16:54] <d3rfu5> gonna restart, brb
#844 [16:54] <d3rfu5> gonna restart, brb
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#846 [16:54] <lemon-rev> k
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#848 [16:55] <Touillettes> hello
#849 [16:55] <sugoi> Touillettes: hi
#850 [16:55] <Touillettes> How are you ?
#851 [16:56] <sugoi> full
#852 [16:56] <sugoi> went to buffet for lunch
#853 [16:56] <Touillettes> xD
#854 [16:56] <Touillettes> that was nice ?
#855 [16:56] <sugoi> sure
#856 [16:57] <Touillettes> do you know if free online server exist ? because each server where i connect i need to be registered on their website
#857 [16:58] <sugoi> Touillettes: .. there be plenty, sure
#858 [16:58] <sugoi> you could also host your own
#859 [16:58] <sugoi> or you looking for ppl to play with?
#860 [16:59] <Touillettes> sorry my pc lag
#861 [17:00] <Touillettes> i look for one online with a lot of people who want to construc something
#862 [17:01] <sugoi> i don't have a good link for you, others in this channel prolly do
#863 [17:01] <Touillettes> ok
#864 [17:01] <sugoi> first google hit: http://minecraftservers.net/
#865 [17:01] <sugoi> any of those good?
#866 [17:02] <Touillettes> I allready google this but in all server you have to pay something or write bullshit about what you want to do on the server
#867 [17:02] <Touillettes> something like taht
#868 [17:03] <sugoi> :)
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#870 [17:04] <Touillettes> Good night bro
#871 [17:05] <Touillettes> i think i will rent a sever on verygame for 4euro a month
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#874 [17:05] <d3rfu5> Back
#875 [17:06] <d3rfu5> lemon ?
#876 [17:06] <d3rfu5> lemon ?
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#879 [17:13] <lemon-rev> np
#880 [17:13] <lemon-rev> howd it go
#881 [17:21] <sugoi> lemon-rev: 'has left'
#882 [17:23] <lemon-rev> whats up ?
#883 [17:24] <sugoi> sorry, was pointing out that d3rfu5 had left
#884 [17:28] <lemon-rev> lol i see
#885 [17:33] <matagin> Is there a newbie server admin channel?
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#887 [17:37] <sugoi> matagin: to learn admin commands?
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#897 [19:40] <Toby3> Hello all, Im looking at buying a laptop for my son who plays Minecraft avidly
#898 [19:41] <DiskDaemon> A powerful graphics card is a must
#899 [19:41] <Toby3> Are these specs ok?.....
#900 [19:41] <Toby3> Aspire 5733Z
#901 [19:41] <Toby3> AS5733Z-P622G50Mikk
#902 [19:41] <Toby3> LX.RJW02.013
#903 [19:41] <Toby3> NB31152
#904 [19:41] <Toby3> AS5733Z
#905 [19:41] <Toby3> Intel® Pentium™ Dual Core P6200
#906 [19:41] <Toby3> Dual Core (2.13G/3MB/1066FSB)
#907 [19:41] <Toby3> woops, lol
#908 [19:41] <Toby3> [12:41pm] <Toby3> Intel® HD Graphics 3000 with 128 MB of dedicated system memory, supporting Microsoft® DirectX® 10.1
#909 [19:41] <Toby3> [
#910 [19:42] <Toby3> Acer Aspire 5733Z
#911 [19:44] <Toby3> Will that run it sufficiently?
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#913 [19:45] <Deformate> Hey there people, is anyone alive in here?
#914 [19:45] <geraldbrent> Yep
#915 [19:46] <Toby3> Great thankyou :)
#916 [19:46] <Deformate> awesome...don't suppose your able to help me with a lil problem I'm having ca ya?
#917 [19:46] <Toby3> oh, did you the other fella, lol
#918 [19:46] <geraldbrent> One sec Toby3, I'll look up those specs
#919 [19:46] <Toby3> thanks
#920 [19:47] <Deformate> lol toby...you got a minecraft problem too?
#921 [19:47] <Deformate> lol toby...you got a minecraft problem too?
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#923 [19:48] <Toby3> Yes in that it wont play on one of my older laptops, so looking at getting new laptop for my son, he wants it primarily for Minecraft
#924 [19:48] <DiskDaemon> Toby3: Nothing beats trying it out in person. Go in to a store and have your son use the web browser to play Minecraft. That way he can decide how well it goes.
#925 [19:49] <Toby3> playing within browser would be diff to playing installed version tho I would think?
#926 [19:50] <DiskDaemon> THey both use the java client to render the game
#927 [19:50] <Toby3> k
#928 [19:51] <Toby3> The Aspire AS5733Z has 128mb ded gfx mem, that ok?
#929 [19:52] <Toby3> He goes to a boarding school which I dont think has free wireless net on it (or there would be havoc no doubt). Therefore playing over net may not even be possible
#930 [19:53] <DiskDaemon> Testing it over the net at a computer store though is definately possible
#931 [19:53] <Toby3> oh aye
#932 [19:54] <DiskDaemon> There's no better wa for your son to be satisfied with the machine than for him to give it his approval in the store. It also means he's less likely to complain later if there do end up being performance issues, because he's already given it his approval
#933 [19:54] <DiskDaemon> It's win-win
#934 [19:55] <Toby3> At 13yrs old Im not too worried about his satisfaction, lol
#935 [19:56] <DiskDaemon> So why are you here asking about the suitability of different machines?
#936 [19:56] <Toby3> Hes pretty rough on gear so do not want to spend more $$ than I have to. Im an IT tech that can repair software and ofc the easy components of a laptop....would rather not tho
#937 [19:56] <Toby3> I was asking if the above was capable
#938 [19:57] <DiskDaemon> Nothing gets past the sales talk and advertising faster than trying things out in person
#939 [19:57] <Toby3> Oky doky :) Thx for your help :)
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#944 [20:44] <|Anthony|> i'm running minecraft on ubuntu 10.04 atm and am looking for a way to help identify the cause of my regular crashing.
#945 [20:44] <|Anthony|> is there a way to enable some verbose output?
#946 [20:44] <|Anthony|> either through minecraft itself or through java?
#947 [20:45] <Scott> You can launch it from the CLI.
#948 [20:45] <|Anthony|> yes, i know but the crash actually happens in Xorg
#949 [20:45] <|Anthony|> or maybe pulseaudio
#950 [20:45] <|Anthony|> i can't be sure yet
#951 [20:46] <|Anthony|> never the less, xorg shuts down and i get back to the gdm login
#952 [20:46] <Scott> Hmmm. I think that might be a bug in Ubuntu and not Minecraft.
#953 [20:47] <|Anthony|> looking through Xorg.x.log and .xsessions-errors doesn't show what causes the issue, just all services shutting down after it
#954 [20:47] <Scott> look at kernel messages
#955 [20:47] <|Anthony|> none of the logs i've scoured have provided any useful info
#956 [20:47] <|Anthony|> including the kernel log
#957 [20:47] <|Anthony|> :/
#958 [20:48] <|Anthony|> i installed Kubuntu 12.04 to see if a different DE and newer kernel would help...
#959 [20:48] <|Anthony|> nope
#960 [20:49] <|Anthony|> it did behave differently, but still was unplayable
#961 [20:49] <|Anthony|> instead of Xorg crashing, pulseaudio was throttled
#962 [20:50] <|Anthony|> and in ubuntu 10.04 the crash seems to be initiated by a sound event
#963 [20:50] <|Anthony|> like a rain storm
#964 [20:50] <|Anthony|> but idk
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#966 [20:50] <Scott> I experienced a similar issue but it wasn't related to Minecraft and I don't remember what version of Ubuntu.
#967 [20:51] <Scott> There is a bug filed on Launchpad about it.
#968 [20:51] <|Anthony|> link?
#969 [20:51] <Scott> :S
#970 [20:51] <|Anthony|> lol
#971 [20:52] <Scott> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/581618
#972 [20:52] <Scott> It still isn't fixed but it's confirmed.
#973 [20:52] <Scott> You are probably experiencing this.
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#975 [20:52] <|Anthony|> i'd actually like to try a different java based game to see if the same symptoms present themselves
#976 [20:54] <|Anthony|> it seems to me like something is getting stuck in an unresolvable loop... some resource gets used up and X gives up
#977 [20:55] <|Anthony|> Xorg cpu uses about 75% of one cpu core, system load goes well over 2.00 on a dual core
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#983 [21:34] <Deformate> anyone around for a lil assistance?
#984 [21:34] <Wug> sure
#985 [21:35] <Deformate> having trouble getting a few custm maps to ppear on my world select screen
#986 [21:35] <Deformate> sorry about typos, my dog is asleep across my arms
#987 [21:35] <Wug> are they in nested folders when they shouldnt be?
#988 [21:36] <Deformate> anot sure what a nested folder is. I download them to the desktop, unzip them, open the folder and take the map folder to my saves
#989 [21:37] <Deformate> works with some, but doesn't work on this map generator I'm wanting to play (planetoid generator)
#990 [21:38] <Deformate> inside the folder there's a bunch of other folders named 1 to 9, then a - f and a level.dat
#991 [21:38] <Deformate> if that helps
#992 [21:47] <Wug> thats an old format map, minecraft might not be able to read those anymore
#993 [21:48] <Deformate> ah right, well that sucks lol
#994 [21:49] <Deformate> thanks for the help bud :)
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#1002 [22:50] <MrEpicGoat_> hey
#1003 [22:50] <MrEpicGoat_> quick question.. how much bandwidth does MC take for lets say a 20 player server?
#1004 [22:50] <MrEpicGoat_> (if i'm hosting a server)
#1005 [22:52] <xales> It shouldn't take an enormous amount, but it really depends on what the players are doing.
#1006 [22:52] <Wug> MrEpicGoat_: you could probably do that on a connection with 4mb/s outgoing
#1007 [22:53] <Wug> this is probably a little above mid tier residential
#1008 [22:54] <sugoi> according to canihostaminecraftserver.com, 20 players should have 3mb/7mb down/up minimum
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#1012 [23:15] <almostroot> HEALP!!! I no break bloks!!! what to do?
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#1014 [23:16] <Omega_Guardian> hold the punch button :P make wood pickaxe, use cobblestone to make stone, then get iron for iron one, then diamond is the best
#1015 [23:19] <almostroot> You must be new. ;P
#1016 [23:27] <MrEpicGoat_> ah lol just switched to this channel again
#1017 [23:27] <MrEpicGoat_> Yeah I have 5mbps upload which I don't really use for anything else.
#1018 [23:28] <MrEpicGoat_> oh
#1019 [23:30] <MrEpicGoat_> megabytes or megabits?
#1020 [23:30] <MrEpicGoat_> @wug
#1021 [23:31] <Wug> bits
#1022 [23:31] <Wug> youll be ok
#1023 [23:31] <MrEpicGoat_> hehe thanks
#1024 [23:31] <MrEpicGoat_> i'll probably rent one if it gets anywhere
#1025 [23:31] <MrEpicGoat_> but i'd obviously want to self-host it until I get it started and get a decent player-base
#1026 [23:36] <oldtopman> MrEpicGoat_: I like to ask new people this...
#1027 [23:36] <oldtopman> Why do you think your server is going to beat out the others?
#1028 [23:42] <MrEpicGoat_> back
#1029 [23:44] <MrEpicGoat_> I don't really intend it to 'beat out the others'. I was looking for a 'new' and undeveloped server to join as i'm completely new to MC... the problem is that either the servers lag like hell, the admins are douchebags, the servers are configured so much, that the feel of minecraft is gone, etc.
#1030 [23:46] <MrEpicGoat_> oldtopman , do you mean beat and 'get ahead' of other servers? Well eventually I would want to do that
#1031 [23:46] <oldtopman> Well, just to get people.
#1032 [23:47] <almostroot> They want to be the very best, like no one ever waaaaas....
#1033 [23:47] <MrEpicGoat_> hehe
#1034 [23:48] <MrEpicGoat_> I'd join one of the large servers, but i'm rather new to minecraft and want to 'start from the beginning'.
#1035 [23:50] <MrEpicGoat_> How do you promote a server btw. Should I list it somewhere?
#1036 [23:51] <Wug> theres #smp
#1037 [23:52] <Wug> advertising (not spamming, there is a difference) is permitted there
#1038 [23:52] <Wug> there is a section on the forums for posting server listings
#1039 [23:52] <Wug> you might also check out minestatus
#1040 [23:52] <MrEpicGoat_> alright.. thanks
#1041 [23:53] <MrEpicGoat_> so much to a MC server when setting it up >_<
#1042 [23:53] <almostroot> I just set up a cluster of load balancing servers on EC2 in about an hour. You'll make it. ;-P
#1043 [23:55] <MrEpicGoat_> Anyone here who has some time to waste mind joining my server? I'm testing stuff out
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#1045 [23:56] <Mantis2600> hey all, how do I make Cartograph G make normal looking maps? all mine does is make a mess of black lines and some colors
#1046 [23:58] <almostroot> Mantis2600: Did you read the FAQs and go through all troubleshooting steps here: http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/153066-cartograph-g-map-your-world-minecraft-10/
#1047 [23:58] <Mantis2600> let me see if there's anything there I didn't do yet this is what it looks like http://dl.dropbox.com/u/641890/Map.png