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#36 [04:25] <artem> hello there, today i bought a redeem code, but it was already activated. So what can i do to prove that i'm not the one who activated it?
#37 [04:27] <lemon-rev> hm, have you got an email with the code ?
#38 [04:28] <artem> yeah, then i was trying to activate it minecraft.net/user/redeem but get no result there (saying already activated)
#39 [04:29] <lemon-rev> whats your username not passsword just username
#40 [04:29] <artem> typex47
#41 [04:30] <lemon-rev> !paid typex47
#42 [04:30] <lemon-rev> hm
#43 [04:30] <artem> see, i told you )
#44 [04:30] <lemon-rev> ok have you got any prof that you had the code before it was active ?
#45 [04:32] <artem> i recieve email with code at 31.03.2012 10:31:52(GMT+3)
#46 [04:32] <artem> that the only thing i know)
#47 [04:33] <lemon-rev> hm, then the onyl way i think you can do anything is going to minecraft.net and eithergo though the help or twitter jeb if you can find him and twit him to email him about it
#48 [04:33] <lemon-rev> along with the email with the code
#49 [04:37] <artem> thanks for your help
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#51 [04:40] <lemon-rev> np
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#59 [05:30] <Mammadaba> where can i ask my question?
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#61 [05:51] <Calinou> here.
#62 [05:51] <Calinou> too late :P
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#81 [08:03] <gartral> someone do me a really big, awesome favor, and i'm not trying too advertise.. but please see if you can connect too my server at kitsunet.dyndns-ip.com.. I can't test from inside my own network >.<
#82 [08:04] <Grim_Reaper> !check kitsunet.dyndns-ip.com
#83 [08:04] <Grim_Reaper> Looks fine
#84 [08:05] <gartral> yea, a ping and traceroute are ok, but I haven't had anyone connect since I changed my routers out.. I really need a hard connection >.>
#85 [08:06] <gartral> brb
#86 [08:08] <gartral> nvm, one of my regulars just popped in
#87 [08:23] <|Kiikun|> :vanilla
#88 [08:23] <|Kiikun|> ?? vanilla
#89 [08:23] <|Kiikun|> :/
#90 [08:23] <VoxelHead> vanilla: vanilla (adj.): Bland; original; with no garnish. In the context of Minecraft, a server or client with no mods, skins, texture packs, or other customizations.
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#96 [09:25] <m0nk> can anyone help with explosives+ v2.0?
#97 [09:25] <m0nk> 3.0*
#98 [09:27] <Grim_Reaper> We dont help with mods m0nk. You can try get help at the mod area for that
#99 [09:27] <m0nk> where?
#100 [09:28] <Grim_Reaper> Is tthat a server mod or single player?
#101 [09:28] <Grim_Reaper> that*
#102 [09:28] <m0nk> think its server not sure didnt read all
#103 [09:28] <Grim_Reaper> Then try #bukkit
#104 [09:28] <m0nk> k ty
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#106 [09:29] <Grim_Reaper> !check immibis
#107 [09:29] <Grim_Reaper> !paid immibis
#108 [09:29] <Grim_Reaper> >.>
#109 [09:29] <m0nk> !paid m0nk3n
#110 [09:29] <Grim_Reaper> !paid immibis
#111 [09:29] <Grim_Reaper> !paid immibis
#112 [09:29] <m0nk> lol
#113 [09:32] <m0nk> this btw
#114 [09:32] <m0nk> http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/830138-124-explosives-v30100000-downloadssmp-for-123/
#115 [09:33] <Grim_Reaper> I would try posting on that topic for help then
#116 [09:34] <m0nk> ah l
#117 [09:34] <m0nk> k*
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#119 [09:55] <m0nk> how do i delete minecraft.
#120 [09:55] <m0nk> i dont need the mp maps anymore
#121 [09:55] <m0nk> not just the mp maps but like entire mc
#122 [09:55] <Boreeas> m0nk: Single player or multiplayer?
#123 [09:55] <m0nk> i need to keep the single player maps
#124 [09:56] <Boreeas> Alright. What OS do you use?
#125 [09:56] <m0nk> win7
#126 [09:56] <Boreeas> Mhm. Press the windows key + R
#127 [09:56] <m0nk> k
#128 [09:56] <Boreeas> In the window that appears, type "%appdata%" without the quotes
#129 [09:56] <m0nk> k
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#131 [09:57] <Boreeas> Press enter, the explorer should come up. Look for a folder titled ".minecraft"
#132 [09:57] <m0nk> k opened that folder
#133 [09:58] <Boreeas> In that folder, there is a subfolder called "saves". Copy this folder to a secure location
#134 [09:58] <Boreeas> Then delete the .minecraft folder
#135 [09:58] <m0nk> k
#136 [09:58] <m0nk> done
#137 [09:58] <Boreeas> Then all you need to do is to delete the launcher, and you are done
#138 [09:59] <m0nk> then download it again?
#139 [09:59] <Boreeas> What? I thought you wanted to delte it?
#140 [09:59] <m0nk> just need a clean install gonna install yogbox
#141 [09:59] <Boreeas> In that case, deleting the bin subfolder would've been enough
#142 [09:59] <Boreeas> Anyways, start the launcher and all the files will be redownloaded
#143 [10:00] <m0nk> k need to redownload that one then
#144 [10:00] <Boreeas> Copy the saves folder back in after that.
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#146 [10:00] <m0nk> k
#147 [10:01] <m0nk> tyty
#148 [10:03] <m0nk> lol i have no sound
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#164 [11:19] <Magix> I have some weird thing with my nether portal.. sometimes when I enter it, it teleports me from the nether back into the nether
#165 [11:19] <Magix> into some completely random location
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#169 [11:54] <sealgaire> hi
#170 [11:54] <sealgaire> everyone
#171 [11:55] <sealgaire> could someone please explain me step by step how to install mods in linux server?
#172 [11:55] <sealgaire> i would love to play kingdom tales with my daughter
#173 [11:55] <sealgaire> but its like mission impossible for me :(
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#175 [11:58] <sealgaire> ill just try to write what im doing
#176 [11:58] <sealgaire> maybe someone will help me
#177 [11:58] <GreyVulpine> Unfortuantely, I'm not seeing an updated Tale of Kingdoms version for minecraft 1.2.4
#178 [11:58] <sealgaire> there is unofiical one
#179 [11:59] <GreyVulpine> Each time minecraft updates, mods have to as well
#180 [11:59] <GreyVulpine> Could you point me in the direction of where you're looking?
#181 [12:01] <sealgaire> http://www.minecraftdl.com/tale-of-kingdoms-mod/
#182 [12:01] <sealgaire> GreyVulpine: i cant do anything :(
#183 [12:01] <GreyVulpine> minecraftdl never actually has an updated mod for anything
#184 [12:01] <sealgaire> im using MC file navigator in linux
#185 [12:01] <GreyVulpine> You usually always want to look for mods at minecraftforums.net
#186 [12:01] <sealgaire> when im opening jar file, is fine
#187 [12:01] <sealgaire> but when im copying modloader files to the jar
#188 [12:01] <sealgaire> im just having runtime error :(
#189 [12:01] <GreyVulpine> Right, because the mod has not been updated for 1.2.4
#190 [12:01] <sealgaire> 5can i downgrade version some how?
#191 [12:02] <GreyVulpine> Also, you were looking on how to install this for a server? Tale of Kingdoms is a Single player only mod
#192 [12:02] <sealgaire> ah
#193 [12:02] <sealgaire> didnt know its only single player
#194 [12:02] <GreyVulpine> Modloader is a single player API.
#195 [12:02] <sealgaire> alright
#196 [12:02] <sealgaire> maybe thats way i have runtime errors
#197 [12:02] <sealgaire> :)
#198 [12:02] <sealgaire> thanks
#199 [12:02] <GreyVulpine> Sure thing
#200 [12:03] <sealgaire> ok, thanks very much for your time and help, ill just install ToK on my daughter laptop than
#201 [12:03] <sealgaire> thanks, o7
#202 [12:03] * GreyVulpine nods
#202 [12:03] * GreyVulpine nods
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#207 [12:46] <sugoi> good morning vulpine the grey
#208 [12:47] <GreyVulpine> G'morning.
#209 [12:47] <Grim_Reaper> ^
#210 [12:48] <sugoi> howdy lil grim
#211 [12:48] <Grim_Reaper> \o hiya
#212 [12:58] <GreyVulpine> Hmm. It's March 31st.
#213 [12:58] <Eddie> Yes.
#214 [12:58] <Eddie> That is upsetting.
#215 [12:59] <Grim_Reaper> Oh god
#216 [12:59] <Grim_Reaper> April fools is tomorrow :<
#217 [12:59] <GreyVulpine> Indeed
#218 [12:59] <Grim_Reaper> Inb4 topic change "minecraft is shutting down"
#219 [13:00] <Morrolan> Yea, and #lobby's topic will become "The friendly, mature Minecraft-help channel" I bet.
#220 [13:00] * Morrolan nods
#220 [13:00] <Grim_Reaper> lol
#221 [13:01] <sugoi> hah
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#223 [13:02] <`Zach> Hello. I need help. For some reason, when adding a mod, it never works. It isn't that I get a black screen, it's that the mod itself will not work. I'm trying to get Minecraft comes Alive to work
#224 [13:02] <`Zach> But all mods don't seem to work - it isn't just one. I have the latest version of MC.
#225 [13:02] <GreyVulpine> Got a link to this mod?
#226 [13:02] <GreyVulpine> Is the mod updated for 1.2.4?
#227 [13:02] <`Zach> Yes, I'll get it.
#228 [13:03] <`Zach> http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/926757-minecraft-comes-alive-v136b-multi-language-110000-downloads/
#229 [13:03] <`Zach> It seems as if all mods do not work, though. I've done everything in the directions.
#230 [13:04] <GreyVulpine> Step by step, tell us exactly what you're doing
#231 [13:04] <`Zach> Alright:
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#233 [13:04] <`Zach> * Download the mod loader
#234 [13:04] <`Zach> * Download mod
#235 [13:05] <`Zach> * Do the exact instructions for mod loader (copy/paste into .jar Minecraft)
#236 [13:05] <`Zach> * Type %appdata%
#237 [13:05] <`Zach> * I transfered the files into the correct folder. I had to make a folder called "Config" and "Mods"
#238 [13:05] <GreyVulpine> Stop there.
#239 [13:06] <GreyVulpine> When you put in modloader, you copied the files into minecraft.jar, did you delete the meta-inf folder as well?
#240 [13:06] <`Zach> Yes, Meta-inf was deleted
#241 [13:06] <GreyVulpine> Also, Run minecraft after doing this, modloader will make a mod and config folder in .minecraft/
#242 [13:06] <GreyVulpine> It'll also ensure that you installed modloader correctly, if it doesn't black screen
#243 [13:07] <`Zach> I've already made the config/mod folder. So do I delete those, and simply run MC, and it'll do the rest?
#244 [13:08] <GreyVulpine> Well, you're going to need to delete everything in .minecraft anyways right now, so start from the beginning again. Install modloader (make sure you've got 1.2.4 of all the mods)
#245 [13:08] <GreyVulpine> Ensure meta-inf is deleted. Run minecraft. It'll verify that you've installed modloader correctly when it doesn't black screen. It'll also create those mod and config folders in .minecraft/
#246 [13:09] <GreyVulpine> Then, follow the specific mod's installation instructions. For that specific mod, it looks like you need to copy some stuff into .minecaft/config .minecraft/mods and .minecraft/minecraft.jar ?
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#249 [13:11] <Visitor_10232> I'm sorry.
#250 [13:11] <`Zach> But I deleted everything. Now I'll redownload.
#251 [13:12] <GreyVulpine> Just to confirm, you're getting the latest 1.2.4 modloader from: http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/75440-v124-risugamis-mods-everything-updated/ ?
#252 [13:13] <`Zach> Yes. I am. So I open with Winrar and place the Mod Loader information in the minecraft.jar right?
#253 [13:13] <GreyVulpine> Right
#254 [13:15] <`Zach> Minecraft is downloading now.
#255 [13:16] <`Zach> I've copied all the files from Modloader to the .jar file. Now, do I just exit out and start MC? Sorry, I'm new to this.
#256 [13:17] <GreyVulpine> Yes, start MC.
#257 [13:17] <`Zach> I have a black screen. What did I do wrong? I copied all files directly into the .jar file.'
#258 [13:18] <GreyVulpine> Hmm. You went into .minecraft/bin/minecraft.jar and opened that file up with a compression program, right?
#259 [13:18] <`Zach> With Winrar, yes.
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#261 [13:19] <GreyVulpine> You downloaded modloader.zip from that other site, opened that up with winrar as well, then copied all the files from modloader into minecraft.jar?
#262 [13:19] <`Zach> Yes, I did
#263 [13:19] <GreyVulpine> You then deleted meta-inf and ran minecraft as usual?
#264 [13:19] <`Zach> I forgot that, sorry. I just deleted it.
#265 [13:20] <GreyVulpine> Run minecraft now.
#266 [13:20] <GreyVulpine> Does it run?
#267 [13:20] <`Zach> Yes, runs like normal.
#268 [13:21] <GreyVulpine> Alright, means modloader is installed successfully. Now look at .minecraft/ -- Do you see some newly created folders?
#269 [13:21] <`Zach> Yes. I see now config and mod folders as well as some others
#270 [13:22] <GreyVulpine> Alright. As a sidenote, modloader also creates a log file under the name of modloader.txt, each time you run minecraft. If you're having any problems installing a mod, opening that file up and reading the contents (or sharing it with somebody else), will let you know why the mod failed to install
#271 [13:22] <GreyVulpine> Now try installing the other mod.
#272 [13:23] <`Zach> To install it, I just go by usual instructions, right?
#273 [13:23] <GreyVulpine> Yup.
#274 [13:23] <GreyVulpine> Any files that go into minecraft.jar, you do like you just did with modloader. Other mod files go into .minecraft/mods/ and .minecraft/config
#275 [13:24] <`Zach> Alright. so when I'm dealing with placing things in minecraft.jar, there's no specific file in there I need to place it in right? It does that on it's own?
#276 [13:24] <GreyVulpine> When a mod tells you to just put files into minecraft.jar, generally you just put it in the root or top-level... unless the mod says otherwise
#277 [13:26] <`Zach> I've done everything required. It still doesn't work.
#278 [13:27] <GreyVulpine> Go back into .minecraft/ -- Locate the modloader.txt file, open it up. Copy everything inside it to pastebin.com and submit it, then give us the URL
#279 [13:28] <`Zach> Here you go: http://pastebin.com/xGeP5cYf
#280 [13:29] <GreyVulpine> C:\Users\ZachPowell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\mods\Place Contents in mods Folder
#281 [13:29] <GreyVulpine> Erm. Yeah. Go back into your .minecraft/mods/ folder, remove that folder
#282 [13:30] <GreyVulpine> Go back to the mod, go into the "Place contents in mods folder", and copy the .zip file to .minecraft/mods/
#283 [13:30] <`Zach> It said to add that; so do I delete it?
#284 [13:30] <GreyVulpine> Yes, delete it
#285 [13:30] <`Zach> Now, what do I do?
#286 [13:30] <GreyVulpine> You only need to add the .zip of the mod to .minecraft/mods/
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#290 [13:36] <`Zach> Place contents in config folder
#291 [13:37] <GreyVulpine> Go into that folder. Copy the "MCA" folder so that instead of .minecraft/config/Place contents in config folder/MCA/ -- You have .minecraft/config/MCA/
#292 [13:37] <`Zach> Okay, so I deleted the folder and placed the MCA into it
#293 [13:37] <GreyVulpine> Alright. Now try minecraft
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#295 [13:39] <`Zach> It went to the Mojang sign then it went to a black screen
#296 [13:39] <`Zach> It doesn't work
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#298 [13:39] <`Zach> Do you want to see the Modloader?
#299 [13:40] <GreyVulpine> When you went to the mod's folder... did you copy the entire folder labeled, "Copy contents of folder into minecraft jar" into minecraft.jar?
#300 [13:40] <GreyVulpine> Or did you actually go inside that folder, and copy the 3 .class files and the MCA folder to minecraft.jar?
#301 [13:41] <`Zach> I coped the "Copy contents of folder into Minecraft jar"
#302 [13:42] <GreyVulpine> Alright then. Go back to your minecraft.jar, delete that "Copy contents of folder into Minecraft jar" folder. Go back to the mod and only copy the 3 .class files and the MCA folder from that "Copy contents of folder into Minecraft jar" folder into minecraft.jar
#303 [13:42] <GreyVulpine> ... then run minecraft.
#304 [13:43] <`Zach> It works. Thank you very much for your patience with me
#305 [13:43] * GreyVulpine tips hat
#305 [13:43] <GreyVulpine> Glad we could help.
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#315 [14:35] <guacamole> Hi everyone, hoping someone can help me with this.. I have a macbook pro latest version and when I want to play minecraft in browser, all i get is a white square and nothing is happening...
#316 [14:36] <GreyVulpine> The free, classic version?
#317 [14:36] <guacamole> no the buy version
#318 [14:36] <GreyVulpine> has it ever worked before?
#319 [14:37] <guacamole> haven´t tried, allways been playing offline..
#320 [14:37] <guacamole> never tried multiplayer..
#321 [14:37] <GreyVulpine> Erm, huh?
#322 [14:38] <guacamole> I have allways played singleplayer and never multiplayer so i´ve never tried to play in browser before..
#323 [14:39] <GreyVulpine> So you've downloaded the mac minecraft client from minecraft.net/download and used the minecraft.app to play minecraft?
#324 [14:39] <guacamole> yup, and now i wanted to play in browser since i don´t know any servernames
#325 [14:40] <GreyVulpine> It's the same client. Both the inbrowser and the downloadable client use the same files on your computer
#326 [14:40] <guacamole> ok, but its not working
#327 [14:40] <GreyVulpine> To look for server IP addresses, you'll need to go to one of these fan-made sites here:
#328 [14:40] <GreyVulpine> ?? smp/servers
#329 [14:40] <VoxelHead> smp/servers: There currently is no master list of all SMP servers. Fan-made indexes include http://minestatus.net/ - http://www.mcserverlist.net/ - http://www.reddit.com/r/mcservers - http://minecraftservers.net/ - http://minecraft.dk/mcserverlist/
#330 [14:40] <VoxelHead> smp/servers: You can also find a list at the MC forums at http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewforum.php?f=1025. Also, try the #smp channel.
#331 [14:40] <guacamole> ok, thank you, I´ll try that
#332 [14:41] <GreyVulpine> For instance, try running the downloadable version, and connecting to s.nerd.nu
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#334 [14:42] <guacamole> the minecraft client just went black after joining server
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#337 [14:43] <xales> lol
#338 [14:44] <GreyVulpine> Strange. Are you running the latest version of minecraft?
#339 [14:44] <guacamole> I think so, when I startet it, it automaticly downloaded the utdates
#340 [14:45] <Grim_Reaper> Happy birthday xales
#341 [14:46] <xales> <3
#342 [14:46] <Eddie> Happy birthday xales
#343 [14:46] <xales> ty
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#345 [14:49] <GreyVulpine> guacamole - Could you do a force Update through the launcher's options menu, before logging in?
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#351 [15:19] <Rashtar> Okay, I have a problem.
#352 [15:21] <Rashtar> Hello?
#353 [15:21] <Morrolan> May I suggest to describe your problem?
#354 [15:21] <sugoi> Rashtar: on irc, just start with the question
#355 [15:21] <Rashtar> Oh, okay :)
#356 [15:21] <Morrolan> Ofcourse you can continue to stand here, gazing, open mouthed. :D
#357 [15:22] <Rashtar> My minecraft worlds are crashing for no apparent reason.
#358 [15:22] <sugoi> Rashtar: mods?
#359 [15:22] <Rashtar> So far, today, two of my worlds have crashed
#360 [15:22] <Rashtar> Vanilla
#361 [15:22] <Rashtar> Both times, I was actually just about to kill a mob, then it just pops up with "saving world" and it crashes.
#362 [15:23] <Rashtar> Have any ideas on how to fix it?
#363 [15:24] <GreyVulpine> Got an error report?
#364 [15:24] <Rashtar> How do I get one?
#365 [15:24] <GreyVulpine> When minecraft closes/crashes to desktop, you can usually find an error report by looking at where you have the minecraft launcher. Search for a file named hs_err_pid####
#366 [15:25] <EyesIsMine> no
#367 [15:25] <EyesIsMine> won't work
#368 [15:25] <EyesIsMine> if it says saving world
#369 [15:26] <Rashtar> Hmm, just kind of annoying, since I put hours of work into those worlds, and now they're gone D:
#370 [15:26] <EyesIsMine> run it with mcerror
#371 [15:27] <Rashtar> Download link? Or should I google it?
#372 [15:27] <Rashtar> Derp. Mac.
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#374 [15:30] <Rashtar> So you guys cannot help me?
#375 [15:30] <EyesIsMine> We can
#376 [15:30] <EyesIsMine> java -cp minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame
#377 [15:30] <EyesIsMine> in the folder with your launcher jar
#378 [15:31] <Rashtar> launcher jar?
#379 [15:32] <sugoi> Rashtar: how do you start minecraft?
#380 [15:32] <Rashtar> With the minecraft.app
#381 [15:32] <Rashtar> The one downloaded from minecraft.net
#382 [15:33] <sugoi> and here my mac-ness ends
#383 [15:34] <Rashtar> Mmmhmm.
#384 [15:34] <GreyVulpine> Open up the terminal by putting in "terminal" in the finder
#385 [15:34] <GreyVulpine> Put in: open <drag the minecraft.app file to the terminal window>
#386 [15:34] <Rashtar> Aiight.
#387 [15:35] <GreyVulpine> When it crashes, it should give you something in the terminal window, share that with us via www.pastebin.com
#388 [15:35] <Rashtar> No...
#389 [15:35] <Rashtar> My world is crashing.
#390 [15:35] <GreyVulpine> And what does the terminal give you?
#391 [15:35] <Rashtar> Not when I open Minecraft
#392 [15:35] <GreyVulpine> Yes, play until the world crashes.
#393 [15:36] <Rashtar> Oh, okay :D
#394 [15:36] <GreyVulpine> Leave the terminal window open
#395 [15:36] <Rashtar> It doesn't show anything.
#396 [15:37] <GreyVulpine> Well, it should say something?
#397 [15:37] <Rashtar> Why would it...
#398 [15:37] <Rashtar> It doesn't have anything to do with Terminal.
#399 [15:37] <Rashtar> They aren't connected in any way.
#400 [15:37] <Morrolan> If you open Minecraft through the terminal, which you just did, it'll put errors there if there are any.
#401 [15:37] <GreyVulpine> ^
#402 [15:37] <Rashtar> Should I open up Console or something?
#403 [15:37] <EyesIsMine> minecraft is a terminal app
#404 [15:38] <EyesIsMine> it just doesn't show in normal usage
#405 [15:38] <sugoi> Rashtar: <@GreyVulpine> Put in: open <drag the minecraft.app file to the terminal window>
#406 [15:38] <sugoi> Rashtar: THAT'S what is has to do with the terminal
#407 [15:38] * sugoi gives Rashtar a free facepalm
#407 [15:38] <Rashtar> I did that already.
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#409 [15:42] <GreyVulpine> Without an error log or something similar, I wouldn't know where to start here. It could be a bad minecraft install, it could be a corrupt world, it could be something wrong with java on your computer...
#410 [15:43] <Rashtar> Well, I have been playing Minecraft for over a year and a half, and have had NO worlds crashed like this before.
#411 [15:43] <GreyVulpine> I've seen countless times when minecraft crashes like that. There's no one solution.
#412 [15:44] <Rashtar> So, will it happen again, or is it a rare thing?
#413 [15:44] <GreyVulpine> I've seen it with worlds that are corrupt. I've seen it just recently, with the conversion from mcr to the new anvil map format
#414 [15:44] <Rashtar> Because it has happened twice within the morning
#415 [15:44] <Boreeas> If it happened once, and you didn't fix the problem, it will prbably happen again.
#416 [15:45] <Rashtar> I think it MAY be something with the world converter.
#417 [15:45] <GreyVulpine> And why do you think that?
#418 [15:46] <Rashtar> Not sure, might just be a coincidence, but they were both old worlds, from before 1.2
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#420 [15:46] <GreyVulpine> That could very well be it.
#421 [15:46] <Rashtar> But that is definitely something that Mojang should fix.
#422 [15:46] <GreyVulpine> Also a whole host of issues came from the conversion process.
#423 [15:47] <Wug> fill me in a bit
#424 [15:47] <Wug> what's the error
#425 [15:47] <GreyVulpine> Rashtar isn't able to give us one
#426 [15:47] <Rashtar> Yeah, as for one, in my old OLD world, like 1.7 or so, i updated it, and no friendly mobs spawned.
#427 [15:47] <GreyVulpine> So right now, I'm shooting in the dark
#428 [15:47] <Wug> Rashtar: I think I know why that is
#429 [15:48] <Rashtar> Okay...
#430 [15:48] <Wug> if you were to use F3
#431 [15:48] <Rashtar> Mhmm.
#432 [15:48] <Wug> you can check what biome you're in
#433 [15:48] <Rashtar> No, that is not my problem...
#434 [15:48] <Rashtar> My worlds crashed.
#435 [15:48] <Wug> friendly mobs only spawn in certain biomes
#436 [15:48] <Rashtar> And I'm pretty sure they should spawn SOMEWHERE on the map.
#437 [15:48] <Wug> this is your old old world
#438 [15:48] <Rashtar> But there were none.
#439 [15:48] <Wug> they would have, but ocean biomes are huge
#440 [15:49] <Rashtar> Yea, but that doesn't matter anymore, since the world is corrupted.
#441 [15:49] <Rashtar> Which is my real problem.
#442 [15:49] <Wug> what does it do when you try to load it
#443 [15:49] <GreyVulpine> Saving chunks crash
#444 [15:49] <Rashtar> Just says, "Saving world"
#445 [15:49] <GreyVulpine> er, ^
#446 [15:49] <Wug> :ts/launcher
#447 [15:49] <Wug> ...
#448 [15:49] <Wug> h/o
#449 [15:49] <GreyVulpine> Also, mac
#450 [15:49] <Wug> ts launcher works on macs
#451 [15:49] <Wug> its a jar
#452 [15:49] <GreyVulpine> oh right
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#454 [15:50] <Rashtar> Okay, what do I have to do?
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#456 [15:50] <Wug> :ts/launcher
#457 [15:50] <WugBot> ts/launcher: Use this launcher to help troubleshoot minecraft. It saves a log called minecraft.log containing any errors minecraft may have encountered as it was running. To use it, simply download and double click.
#458 [15:50] <WugBot> ts/launcher: Troubleshooting Minecraft Launcher (All Operating Systems): http://wug.me/minecraft/illegal/MCH-Launcher.jar
#459 [15:51] <Wug> Rashtar: read that
#460 [15:52] <Rashtar> Giving it a try.
#461 [15:52] <Wug> Rashtar: you will have to set it executable in order to run it
#462 [15:52] <Wug> can you open a terminal
#463 [15:52] <Wug> its in utilities
#464 [15:52] <Rashtar> What for?
#465 [15:52] <Wug> save the troubleshooting launcher to your desktop if you havent already
#466 [15:53] <Rashtar> It is.
#467 [15:53] <Wug> you will need the terminal to set it executable
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#469 [15:53] <Rashtar> I can run it though.
#470 [15:53] <Wug> mm ok
#471 [15:53] <Boreeas> Wug: Why don't you mark it as executable from the beginning?
#472 [15:53] <Wug> login and open the world
#473 [15:53] <Wug> Boreeas: if I were a browser, I would set everything I downloaded no-exec
#474 [15:53] <Rashtar> Btw, I have a mac OS X 10.7, 8GB ram, Dual Core Proc. MacBook Pro
#475 [15:53] <Wug> to prevent accidents
#476 [15:53] <Boreeas> Ah, true
#477 [15:54] <Boreeas> lolmac
#478 [15:54] <Rashtar> I did open it, but I didn't find a .log
#479 [15:54] <Wug> Rashtar: its in the minecraft folder, called minecraft.log
#480 [15:55] <Wug> stick it on pastebin
#481 [15:55] <Wug> :pb
#482 [15:55] <Wug> :pastebin
#483 [15:55] <WugBot> pastebin: Please use pastebin to share error logs or long messages, do not flood the channel. http://pastebin.com Paste your text into the box, click 'Submit' and give us the link from the address bar.
#484 [15:55] <Wug> ;+ pb Please use pastebin to share error logs or long messages, do not flood the channel. http://pastebin.com Paste your text into the box, click 'Submit' and give us the link from the address bar.
#485 [15:55] <Wug> Rashtar: have you found it
#486 [15:55] <Rashtar> Okay
#487 [15:56] <Rashtar> How do I post the log?
#488 [15:56] <Rashtar> I went to pastebin
#489 [15:56] <Boreeas> ...
#490 [15:56] <Wug> Rashtar: you found minecraft.log right?
#491 [15:56] <Boreeas> Paste it in there, hit the submit button.
#492 [15:56] <Wug> open it and copy the contents, then paste it on pastebin
#493 [15:56] <Rashtar> Okay...
#494 [15:56] <Rashtar> Minecraft Launcher Started. Successfully redirected output to log file.
#495 [15:56] <Rashtar> Attempting to login as user: rashtar
#496 [15:56] <Rashtar> MCPatcherUtils initialized. Directory /Users/jim/Library/Application Support/minecraft
#497 [15:56] <Rashtar> 27 achievements
#498 [15:56] <Rashtar> 182 recipes
#499 [15:57] <Wug> Rashtar: pastebin
#500 [15:57] <Wug> not here
#501 [15:57] <Rashtar> Yea, see…. How do I post it on HERE?
#502 [15:57] <Boreeas> :|
#503 [15:57] <Rashtar> I submitted it on pastebin
#504 [15:57] <Wug> send us the link
#505 [15:57] <Boreeas> Give us the link?
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#507 [15:58] <Wug> how far does it get before it crashes
#508 [15:58] <Rashtar> Immediately.
#509 [15:58] <Rashtar> Don't even see the world at all.
#510 [15:59] <Wug> ok, hang on
#511 [15:59] <Boreeas> Okay, so the crash has to do with Player damage
#512 [15:59] <Boreeas> Apparently from an Arrow as source
#513 [15:59] <Rashtar> Mhmmm...
#514 [15:59] <Boreeas> I guess, reinstall minecraft, I'd say you are missing some classes
#515 [16:00] <Rashtar> I was, in fact, killing a skeleton, when it happened.
#516 [16:00] <Rashtar> Hmm...
#517 [16:00] <Boreeas> Either that, or some files are outdated and the constructors don't match anymore
#518 [16:00] <Rashtar> Well, that sucks.
#519 [16:00] <Wug> this is 1.4 right
#520 [16:00] <Wug> 1.2.4*
#521 [16:00] <Rashtar> Wait, so if I just reinstall, my worlds will work?
#522 [16:00] <Rashtar> yes, it it.
#523 [16:00] <Rashtar> is*
#524 [16:01] <Boreeas> Rashtar: It may. Maybe it won't. It's my best bet.
#525 [16:01] <Rashtar> Well, let's give it a try.
#526 [16:01] <Wug> I dont think it will work
#527 [16:01] <Rashtar> Negativity.
#528 [16:01] <Wug> do you have any mods
#529 [16:02] <Rashtar> Not really sure, I thought I deleted them all.
#530 [16:02] <Wug> try force updating then
#531 [16:02] <Rashtar> But I may have renamed my minecraft.jar to the wrong name......
#532 [16:02] <Wug> :fu
#533 [16:02] <WugBot> fu: You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#534 [16:02] <WugBot> fu: To do so, start Minecraft, press 'Options' (above the 'Login' button), Press 'Force update!', then press 'Done', and login to Minecraft.
#535 [16:02] <Rashtar> Yea, I did.
#536 [16:02] <Rashtar> haha :D
#537 [16:02] <Rashtar> Thanks guys, they work again :D :D :D
#538 [16:03] <Rashtar> Okay, thanks for the help.
#539 [16:03] <Rashtar> Oh, and one thing I think Mojang should fix for macs.
#540 [16:03] <Rashtar> The tab button.
#541 [16:04] <Boreeas> Don't tell us, we can't help you with that.
#542 [16:04] <Rashtar> Heh, just spreading the world xD
#543 [16:04] <Boreeas> I be there is a modfix for that
#544 [16:04] <Rashtar> And pasting.
#545 [16:04] <Rashtar> Copying IPs down on paper, gets annoying
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#547 [16:05] <Rashtar> Well, cya guys. Thanks so much =)
#548 [16:05] <Morrolan> Err, I might be missing something, but how is the tab button related to IPs? :)
#549 [16:05] <Rashtar> Not really.
#550 [16:05] <Morrolan> Oh, disregard, I think I can follow the conversation now.
#551 [16:05] <Rashtar> I just think it's so much faster to login, when you don't have to click the username: and password:
#552 [16:05] <Morrolan> No doubt.
#553 [16:06] <Rashtar> And those dang IPs are hard to remember.
#554 [16:06] <Rashtar> They just like Windows better, huh?
#555 [16:06] <Boreeas> :|
#556 [16:07] <Boreeas> I don'T even think they all use Windows
#557 [16:07] <Rashtar> Probably not.
#558 [16:07] <Morrolan> All the business guys are on Mac, obviously.
#559 [16:07] <Rashtar> I'm guessing Macs are better at coding and all, anyways.
#560 [16:09] <Pepper> Not particularly
#561 [16:09] <Pepper> All depends on language and software you want
#562 [16:09] <Wug> mollstam: HHHEEEEEYYYY
#563 [16:11] <Boreeas> "Macs are better at coding."
#564 [16:11] <Boreeas> Sure they are. Suuure
#565 [16:12] <sugoi> mac are better at coding? probably, my pc doesn't code anything - i have to code it all myself
#566 [16:12] <Wug> lots of the business world is windows
#567 [16:12] <Wug> but this is off topic
#568 [16:13] <Wug> the business world tends to use macs for a few people
#569 [16:13] <Wug> windows for any large scale installations
#570 [16:13] <Wug> and linux for any low level things
#571 [16:17] <Morrolan> Wug - Mhm, but Mojang's business guys seem to fancy Macs. :)
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#573 [16:17] <Morrolan> Which were the ones the statement above was referring to.
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#575 [16:21] <Wolfmade> Hi, I have a problem
#576 [16:21] <sugoi> Wolfmade: irc style: just ask, then we can try to answer
#577 [16:21] <Wolfmade> I just installed a fresh copy of Windows XP (like 10 minutes ago) and now I have run into a little problem when trying -'
#578 [16:21] <Wolfmade> ... I know, I've been in this channel for decades
#579 [16:21] <Wolfmade> Anyways
#580 [16:21] <sugoi> proceed :)
#581 [16:21] <Wolfmade> Like I was saying
#582 [16:21] <Wolfmade> Java crashes when I try to join a server on Classic
#583 [16:22] <Wolfmade> Here's the log
#584 [16:22] <Wolfmade> http://pastebin.com/AMCDM7VK
#585 [16:22] <Wolfmade> Or well, crash report
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#587 [16:23] <Wolfmade> It MIGHT just be that I haven't downloaded any audio drivers yet to my machine (I have no idea how)
#588 [16:23] <GreyVulpine> Looks like video drivers though
#589 [16:24] <Wolfmade> (also, pardon for using a 3rd party client, it crashes even in browser - I could get an error report more easily using a 3rd party client)
#590 [16:24] <Wolfmade> Video drivers are updated though
#591 [16:24] <Wolfmade> I've ran Minecraft before on this machine on WinXP
#592 [16:24] <Wolfmade> And it even ran on ubuntu with no problem
#593 [16:25] <GreyVulpine> How do you know that the video drivers are up to date?
#594 [16:25] <Wolfmade> I just updated them on the dell website :P
#595 [16:25] <Wolfmade> Or more, downloaded the drivers from their website
#596 [16:25] <GreyVulpine> Give us a dxdiag?
#597 [16:25] <GreyVulpine> ??> Wolfmade win/dxdiag
#598 [16:26] <VoxelHead> Wolfmade: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#599 [16:26] <VoxelHead> Wolfmade: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
#600 [16:26] <Wolfmade> Yes, I know what a dxdiag is :P
#601 [16:26] <Wolfmade> Just a sec...
#602 [16:27] <Wolfmade> http://pastebin.com/mRXLBVii
#603 [16:29] <GreyVulpine> Good.. god
#604 [16:29] <Wolfmade> Hm?
#605 [16:29] <Wolfmade> It's an old machine
#606 [16:30] <Morrolan> Just, don't think of trying to run the new Minecraft on this machine. ;D
#607 [16:30] <Morrolan> I guess that Classic has some lower system requirements though. :)
#608 [16:30] <Wolfmade> Morrolan: Single player lagged, but SMP worked fine on this machine
#609 [16:31] <Wolfmade> I guess because SMP doesn't have to actually generate the map in the machine itself
#610 [16:31] <Wolfmade> But the server
#611 [16:33] <GreyVulpine> Could you try it with these drivers? http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&DwnldID=9498&lang=eng
#612 [16:33] <Wolfmade> Alright
#613 [16:33] <Wolfmade> Let me try
#614 [16:33] <GreyVulpine> They're slightly newer.
#615 [16:35] <Wolfmade> GreyVulpine: http://i.imgur.com/H2tYF.png
#616 [16:35] * GreyVulpine grumbles.
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#618 [16:37] <Wolfmade> Any clue?
#619 [16:38] <GreyVulpine> Know how to install a driver using a zip file?
#620 [16:38] <GreyVulpine> http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&DwnldID=9506&lang=eng&OSVersion=Windows%20XP%20%20Professional*&DownloadType=
#621 [16:38] <Wolfmade> Probably
#622 [16:43] <Wolfmade> Okay
#623 [16:43] <Wolfmade> Gonna restart my computer now
#624 [16:43] <Wolfmade> Wish me luck so that this manual driver-installing wouldn't screw up my computer
#625 [16:44] <GreyVulpine> G'luck
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#628 [16:51] <Wolfmade> GreyVulpine: It worked! :D
#629 [16:51] <Wolfmade> Big thanks for your help <3
#630 [16:51] * GreyVulpine tips hat
#630 [16:52] * Pepper wonders what sort of hat it is
#630 [16:52] <sugoi> Pepper: grim and i think it's a top hot
#631 [16:52] <Grim_Reaper> ^
#632 [16:52] <Pepper> Hot top indeed
#633 [16:54] <GreyVulpine> Dubya tee eff is marseffect.net
#634 [16:54] <Morrolan> I needn't mention what came up when I googled for "hot top" I guess?
#635 [16:54] <sugoi> haha
#636 [16:54] <sugoi> dang it
#637 [16:54] <Pepper> Heh
#638 [16:54] <sugoi> top hAt!
#639 [16:55] <Morrolan> Ah, now the results look more appropriate. ;D
#640 [16:55] <Pepper> All depending on the situation
#641 [16:55] <sugoi> haha
#642 [16:55] <Morrolan> The former would be kind of difficult to wear on the head.
#643 [16:55] <Morrolan> Might be more enjoable than a top hat though, wouldn't know.
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#649 [17:06] <Finamenon> I dont suppose anyone here knows if there is an official or semi official IRC channel for mcedit?
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#651 [17:08] <Pepper> Not that I've heard of
#652 [17:09] <GreyVulpine> Not aware of any channel for mcedit
#653 [17:10] <sugoi> Finamenon: i use it for a few simple things - what is your question?
#654 [17:10] <Finamenon> are there any release or dev builds for 1.2.4?
#655 [17:11] <Finamenon> the only thread I can find is 300+ pages of unorganized information lol
#656 [17:14] <sugoi> Finamenon: those sites so many mods/tools use
#657 [17:14] <sugoi> Finamenon: it is aweful, pathetic
#658 [17:15] <sugoi> Finamenon: that said, try clicking on the chevrons at the top of the page to go to the 1st page
#659 [17:15] <sugoi> the FRONT page will typically have the most recent post
#660 [17:15] <sugoi> most recent post by the operator of the mod
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#662 [17:18] <Morrolan> The current maintainter of MCedit can be found in #mcdevs on Freenode, but that isn't really a channel dedicated to MCEdit.
#663 [17:18] <Finamenon> hmm i see
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#665 [17:18] <Morrolan> And last time I checked there weren't any official releases for the new map format yet, but there might be some dev builds on github.
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#667 [17:19] <mmdawg1\> How does one contact Mojang?
#668 [17:19] <Morrolan> If it's for support - there's a mail formular on help.mojang.com
#669 [17:19] <GreyVulpine> http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/emails/new
#670 [17:19] <Morrolan> If it's for gameplay ideas - don't bother, they get spammed that much, chances are none will see your mail.
#671 [17:21] <Morrolan> Regarding MCEdit - from 0.1.1 on it's compatible with the new map format.
#672 [17:21] <Morrolan> (according to https://github.com/mcedit/mcedit/wiki/Version-History)
#673 [17:22] <Finamenon> hmm.. but not likely compatible with 1.2.4 new blocks im guessing
#674 [17:22] <Morrolan> Chances are the new blocks aren't added yet, yea.
#675 [17:22] <Finamenon> damn
#676 [17:22] <Finamenon> gotta find another way to fix these chunk shears then
#677 [17:23] <Finamenon> trying to make my dynmap look less like butt for when I do more open recruitment
#678 [17:24] <Morrolan> CB plugins like WorldBorder suggest both, trimming the world as well as filling in missing chunks.
#679 [17:24] <Morrolan> err
#680 [17:24] <Morrolan> support*
#681 [17:24] <sugoi> Morrolan: ah, it did, i see it now
#682 [17:24] <Finamenon> yeah I need to do more precise trimming, mcedit lets me do so
#683 [17:24] <Morrolan> Okay.
#684 [17:25] <Finamenon> rock and a hard place XD
#685 [17:25] <Pepper> Bedrock and obsidian?
#686 [17:25] <Morrolan> Well, as long as it's just about removing chunks then it shouldn't matter whether it supports the new blocks. I don't think it'll corrupt them when saving.
#687 [17:26] <Finamenon> what would it do to them? I wonder.. I should try it on the test server
#688 [17:26] <Morrolan> I'd say it just doesn't touch them at all.
#689 [17:26] <Morrolan> But yea, try it first. ;)
#690 [17:27] <Finamenon> heh
#691 [17:27] <Finamenon> couldnt hurt on a copy
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#695 [17:47] <Cakeball> I seem to be getting the tree-generation crashes on 1.2.3
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#698 [18:11] <Trel> I'm having problems farming mushrooms. I planted three of each, and so far only two more have spawned, it's been days (real time)
#699 [18:11] <DreadLindwyrm> How dark is it?>
#700 [18:12] <Trel> I have a 2 high room, with torches placed in insets in the ceiling two additional high, so 4 above the floor, spaced every 4 blocks
#701 [18:12] <DreadLindwyrm> IIRC that's too well lit for good mushroom spread.
#702 [18:13] <DreadLindwyrm> The difficulty is balancing low light for the mushrooms with enough light for stopping monster spawn.
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#704 [18:16] <Trel> I thought that was the optimum. I lowered it a bit. Right now the server is on peaceful, so not worried about monsters in the immediate.
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#706 [18:18] <DreadLindwyrm> I was told that minimal light is best for mushrooms.
#707 [18:19] <Trel> Deathspawn: I thought that was the minimum you could have without getting monsters
#708 [18:19] <DreadLindwyrm> It is. Mushrooms grow better in darker conditions though...
#709 [18:20] <DreadLindwyrm> However, I've found another thing that might be involved : As of Beta 1.8 mushroom spreading is nerfed, so that a mushroom will only spread if there are fewer than 5 mushrooms in an area of 9x9x3 around the original mushroom.
#710 [18:20] <Trel> is that 5 inclusive?
#711 [18:20] <Trel> If so, that's my problem I have 5
#712 [18:21] <DreadLindwyrm> I don't know. I'm just looking at the wiki article now : http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Mushroom_farm
#713 [18:21] <Trel> kk, I'll harvest them all and replant and see what happens
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#724 [18:47] <Finamenon> any experienced server admins around? Or anyone in general who is good with java flags for the server.jar
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#729 [19:06] <Wug> Finamenon: uh
#730 [19:06] <Wug> I can probably help, what are you after
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#732 [19:07] <Finamenon> well I have decent hardware, 3.6ghz zambezi quad core and 16g of ram. Im wondering if there are any flags I can utilize to take advantage of my hardware more efficiently
#733 [19:09] <Finamenon> the ram is mainly for a ramdisk btw
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#735 [19:13] <Scott> why do people want a ramdisk so much?
#736 [19:13] <DiskDaemon> speed primarily
#737 [19:16] <Finamenon> its very fast
#738 [19:16] <Finamenon> anyway wug if you have any ideas let me know, im putzing on my test server atm :)
#739 [19:17] <Wug> Finamenon: is your world on a ramdisk?
#740 [19:17] <Wug> because if it is, you may run into issues should it ever fill up
#741 [19:17] <Wug> data loss and such
#742 [19:17] <Wug> as long as youre sure it wont happen
#743 [19:18] <Finamenon> im quite sure
#744 [19:18] <Finamenon> we just upgraded from 1.5gig ramdisk to 12gig
#745 [19:18] <Finamenon> and can double it in the future if needed
#746 [19:19] <Finamenon> motherboard supports up to 32g of ram
#747 [19:19] <Finamenon> so were all good
#748 [19:21] <Finamenon> so yeah at this point im just looking for java flags.. not my strong suit. Or anything really, the hardware is good
#749 [19:23] <DiskDaemon> Pretty much all of the flags and options for java are in http://docs.oracle.com/javase/1.4.2/docs/tooldocs/windows/java.html
#750 [19:29] <langkid1> What's new in Minecraft?
#751 [19:29] <langkid1> Anything interesting?
#752 [19:30] <GreyVulpine> http://www.mojang.com/2012/03/minecraft-1-2-5-prerelease/
#753 [19:33] <langkid1> ...
#754 [19:34] <langkid1> . . .
#755 [19:34] <langkid1> Any new interesting/game-changing features?
#756 [19:35] <Morrolan> Less bugs, if that's not game-changing then I don't know what is.
#757 [19:38] <DreadLindwyrm> Largely different bugs?
#758 [19:41] <Omega_Guardian> oh boy, finally a way to pick up placed tnt intact lol
#759 [19:42] <Finamenon> punching it?
#760 [19:43] <Omega_Guardian> flint and steal, left click
#761 [19:43] <Pepper> Or, punch it
#762 [19:43] <Finamenon> I thought punching worked
#763 [19:43] <Pepper> Since like 1.8
#764 [19:43] <GreyVulpine> Er, try it
#765 [19:43] <DiskDaemon> nono, punching tnt has for a long time resolted in the TNT turning back to an item that you can pick up
#766 [19:43] <Omega_Guardian> haven't played in months, far as I know placed tnt couldn't be recovered intact
#767 [19:43] <Omega_Guardian> ah nice
#768 [19:44] <GreyVulpine> As far as I know, punching TNT doesn't give back the TNT block
#769 [19:44] <Finamenon> yeah it does
#770 [19:44] <Finamenon> I just did it
#771 [19:44] <Pepper> TNT is only activated by redstone or fire now
#772 [19:44] <GreyVulpine> Ah
#773 [19:45] <DiskDaemon> " As of 1.7, it can be picked up like any other block." http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/TNT
#774 [19:45] <GreyVulpine> That would explain it, I haven't really played minecraft that much since then
#775 [19:45] <Omega_Guardian> would tnt stacked in a single pillar blow a clean consistent hole all the way down it happens to go? Or fly off in random directions :P
#776 [19:45] <GreyVulpine> The latter
#777 [19:46] <Omega_Guardian> doh
#778 [19:46] <Pepper> I watch way more video than I play
#779 [19:46] <Finamenon> unless it was encased
#780 [19:46] <Finamenon> then its more consistent
#781 [19:46] <Omega_Guardian> so basically it's not much use for enlarging say a 1 by 2 tunnel even if tnt wasn't banned on most servers :P
#782 [19:47] <Finamenon> no its good for that
#783 [19:47] <DreadLindwyrm> It's fine, if you go for a few (contained) blocks at a time.
#784 [19:47] <Finamenon> but if its just out in the open
#785 [19:47] <Finamenon> youre gonna have tnt projectiles
#786 [19:47] <DreadLindwyrm> And a huge crater :D
#787 [19:47] <Pepper> TNT cannons are fun
#788 [19:48] <Finamenon> only thing I miss about TNT now is that water wont move it anymore
#789 [19:49] <DreadLindwyrm> I just don't use TNT
#790 [19:50] <Omega_Guardian> I was just hoping for uhh...something like this lol. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvSzrxpUlLc Good for uhh...clearing a hole :P
#791 [19:52] <GreyVulpine> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT5QIv19bJ4
#792 [19:52] <GreyVulpine> Ion cannon mod, back in alpha or so
#793 [19:54] <langkid1> GreyVulpine, there are so many awesome mods that never made it past alpha :'(
#794 [19:54] * GreyVulpine nods
#794 [19:56] <Omega_Guardian> ok maybe not as funny as I figured at first, but was thinking this would be like uhh Notch showing up in a multiplayer server. Even with fancy clothes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3WTQhjkb3w&feature=related
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#814 [22:24] <zoecat> is there any other way to get mods back when they crash minecraft without having to delete the bin folder and doing it a over again?
#815 [22:26] <zoecat> *sigh*
#816 [22:26] <Wug> you can
#817 [22:26] <Wug> just force update
#818 [22:26] <Wug> that doesnt remove the mods, just modloader
#819 [22:27] <Wug> generally though if you're using mods that cause crashes, you should alert the mod writer
#820 [22:29] <zoecat> so now all I have to do is drag the mods that do work back into the minecraft.jar
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#825 [22:55] <blakeman1> Hello!
#826 [22:59] <DiskDaemon> hi there
#827 [22:59] <blakeman1> need help?
#828 [22:59] <DiskDaemon> no, I'm find thanks :)
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#831 [23:07] <blakeman1> hi
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#843 [23:39] <Cole36912> !check 98.155.13.134
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#845 [23:47] <Finamenon> !check 71.194.113.147
#846 [23:47] <Finamenon> hah that is neat
#847 [23:48] <Cole36912> failed to connect network is unreachable: connect
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