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#14 [01:07] <keret> how long does it take for premium to go into effect
#15 [01:09] <sugoi> longer than you waited for an answer
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#21 [02:13] <ninja> how come when a tool breaks it doesn't do damage
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#24 [02:41] <curtmack> Inside the Nether I run out of memory after about 4 minutes regardless of what I do. This has occurred since the change the Anvil.
#25 [02:41] <curtmack> Any ideas what might be causing this?
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#28 [02:57] <Wug> curtmack: if you have a 64 bit computer, try installing 64 bit java
#29 [02:57] <Wug> I bet you're using 32 bit
#30 [03:03] <curtmack> okay
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#36 [03:37] <JeremiS5> woah
#37 [03:37] <JeremiS5> hey mollstam
#38 [03:44] <Calinou> JeremiS5, he isn't very active here
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#44 [04:32] <Finamenon> anyone know if there are plugins or means to control strength of enchants or armor? my friend in full diamond and enchants is pretty much invincible D:
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#48 [04:34] <rev-lemon> Finamenon only real way is to collect orbs and encharnt everything you have with the highest possible enchartment
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#51 [04:37] <Finamenon> no I mean
#52 [04:37] <Finamenon> I dont want invincible people on my server
#53 [04:37] <Finamenon> needs to be nerfed
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#55 [04:41] <Wug> Finamenon: do you have any idea how hard it is to get that much experience
#56 [04:41] <Wug> it takes like 12 hours of spawner sitting
#57 [04:41] <rev-lemon> lol yup
#58 [04:41] <Wug> and hes not invincible
#59 [04:42] <Wug> get a few people with enchanted crap
#60 [04:42] <Wug> potion of poison 2 will tear him a new one
#61 [04:42] <Wug> leave him with 1/2 heart without touching his armor at all
#62 [04:42] <Wug> I believe potions of damage cut through enchanted armor too
#63 [04:44] <Finamenon> true
#64 [04:44] <Finamenon> but mobs dont use those
#65 [04:44] <Finamenon> but that gives me a damn good idea...
#66 [04:44] <Finamenon> replace spider spawners with cave spider spawners...
#67 [04:44] <Finamenon> muahaha
#68 [04:44] <Wug> you're pretty much invincible to mobs with regular iron armor
#69 [04:45] <Wug> as long as you dont let them hit you much
#70 [04:47] <Finamenon> thanks wug, ill see what I can do
#71 [04:48] <Wug> you can raise the difficulty
#72 [04:49] <Wug> mobs do more damage
#73 [04:49] <Wug> you probably know that
#74 [04:50] <Finamenon> its on hard already
#75 [04:50] <Finamenon> hes still invincible
#76 [04:50] <Finamenon> dunno what the dealio is lol
#77 [04:50] <Wug> keep in mind also
#78 [04:50] <Wug> enchanted armor takes more damage than regular armor and thus wears out faster
#79 [04:50] <Finamenon> hmmm interesting
#80 [04:50] <Finamenon> that I didnt know
#81 [04:51] <Wug> its not a huge differenec
#82 [04:55] <Finamenon> alright wug, im gonna see what I can do to make this more fair. I do want to maintain a challenge, but not allow a level where people with certain armor can basically not take damage ata ll
#83 [04:55] <Finamenon> thanks man
#84 [05:02] <Finamenon> alright Im off. Take care people
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#90 [05:58] <TheLiquidKill> i purchased the game and im not premium...:(
#91 [05:58] <TheLiquidKill> help plz
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#93 [05:59] <rev-lemon> TheLiquidKill it can take up to 24 hours to come into being,
#94 [05:59] <TheLiquidKill> i'm waiting 4 days
#95 [06:00] <rev-lemon> TheLiquidKill did the payment acaully get taken out of the account and didnt get discharged back into it ?
#96 [06:01] <TheLiquidKill> i dont understand u....sorry i have bad english
#97 [06:02] <rev-lemon> TheLiquidKill did the money go back into your account during your time waiting for it to go premium, and login to minecraft.net and click on profile do you see a code ?
#98 [06:04] <TheLiquidKill> no.
#99 [06:04] <rev-lemon> no what ?
#100 [06:05] <TheLiquidKill> ti cant seei didnt get money back and i cant see any code
#101 [06:05] <TheLiquidKill> money didnt go back and i cant see any code*
#102 [06:06] <rev-lemon> /help.minecraft.net < try there
#103 [06:08] <TheLiquidKill> ?
#104 [06:08] <rev-lemon> oopse
#105 [06:08] <rev-lemon> http://help.mojang.com/
#106 [06:08] <TheLiquidKill> i have readed it many times but il do it again
#107 [06:11] <TheLiquidKill> i readed it but there is nothing helpful
#108 [06:11] <rev-lemon> where did you buy it from ?
#109 [06:11] <TheLiquidKill> minecraft.net
#110 [06:11] <rev-lemon> hm
#111 [06:11] <rev-lemon> whats your username and not password
#112 [06:12] <TheLiquidKill> ? u not password?
#113 [06:12] <rev-lemon> i dont mind mine mine is lemonrev
#114 [06:12] <rev-lemon> !paid lemonrev
#115 [06:12] <TheLiquidKill> username is TheLiquidKill
#116 [06:12] <rev-lemon> !paid TheLiquidKill
#117 [06:12] <rev-lemon> hm,
#118 [06:13] <TheLiquidKill> ?
#119 [06:13] <rev-lemon> is it still day time there ?
#120 [06:13] <TheLiquidKill> ye
#121 [06:13] <rev-lemon> ring your bank and make sure the payment acually made it to mojang
#122 [06:13] <TheLiquidKill> it did
#123 [06:14] <TheLiquidKill> ohh nvm il play just sp....
#124 [06:14] <rev-lemon> hm, did you make the payment with moneybrokers or like visa ?
#125 [06:14] <TheLiquidKill> paypal
#126 [06:15] <TheLiquidKill> is there any chance i get premium?
#127 [06:15] <rev-lemon> did what happend after you paid for it though it, should have spit you back to minecraft.net to say succussful
#128 [06:15] <TheLiquidKill> yea i did
#129 [06:15] <rev-lemon> not sure, unless its under a different name
#130 [06:16] <TheLiquidKill> i geted an order number or somthing like that
#131 [06:16] <rev-lemon> so what did you see after paying though paypal ?
#132 [06:16] <TheLiquidKill> some screen that say thank you for purcharching minecraft
#133 [06:16] <TheLiquidKill> and there was a gray box
#134 [06:16] <rev-lemon> ok,
#135 [06:16] <TheLiquidKill> that sayd
#136 [06:16] <rev-lemon> ?
#137 [06:16] <TheLiquidKill> username:TheLiquidKill
#138 [06:17] <rev-lemon> wired
#139 [06:17] <rev-lemon> dude i belive jeb is on twitter
#140 [06:17] <rev-lemon> find him and tweet
#141 [06:17] <TheLiquidKill> and order number:(i cant remember it but its long and has latters and numbers)
#142 [06:17] <rev-lemon> to him
#143 [06:17] <rev-lemon> have you got a copy of that ?
#144 [06:17] <TheLiquidKill> no
#145 [06:17] <rev-lemon> and from paypal find that as well
#146 [06:18] <TheLiquidKill> i thined i dont gonna need it
#147 [06:18] <TheLiquidKill> thinked*
#148 [06:18] <rev-lemon> if you get in touch with jeb it might come in hand
#149 [06:18] <TheLiquidKill> ok thanks 4 help lemon
#150 [06:19] <rev-lemon> np
#151 [06:19] <TheLiquidKill> i gonna stay at this mibbit
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#154 [06:22] <TheLiquidKill> rev-lemon can you give me link i cant find him i dont use twitter offen
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#166 [07:35] <DiskDaemon> !check 50.137.180.150
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#171 [08:25] <vicium> To get like both TooManyItems and REI's minimap, do I first put in the modloader class files, then just paste in the 2 plugins i want to use?
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#173 [08:27] <islandcraft> hello
#174 [08:27] <islandcraft> anyone here?
#175 [08:28] <islandcraft> i need help
#176 [08:28] <DiskDaemon> sure
#177 [08:29] <islandcraft> i am clicking at "forgot password" and i am writing the username, but i can't get the mail
#178 [08:29] <islandcraft> why?
#179 [08:29] <DiskDaemon> This is the article from help.mojang.com that can help you with that. http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/329524-i-forgot-my-password-
#180 [08:30] <islandcraft> ok, i writed the username
#181 [08:31] <islandcraft> how long do i need to wait for the mail?
#182 [08:31] <DiskDaemon> It shouldn't be longer than a few minutes.
#183 [08:32] <islandcraft> i have tried few times n ow
#184 [08:32] <islandcraft> and i cant get the mail :S
#185 [08:32] <islandcraft> :s
#186 [08:32] <DiskDaemon> If it doesn't turn up by then, please check if your email provider, as they may be blocking it as spam
#187 [08:33] <DiskDaemon> There is also this article about if you cannot log in to minecraft - http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/361482-i-can-no-longer-log-into-minecraft-net
#188 [08:34] <islandcraft> hmm
#189 [08:36] <islandcraft> i will try again
#190 [08:36] <DiskDaemon> You may need to try something else. There is a word for someone who tries the same behaviour, and expects a different outcome to occur
#191 [08:37] <islandcraft> i want only my password back
#192 [08:38] <DiskDaemon> I understand. I can only direct you to resources that may help.
#193 [08:38] <islandcraft> ok
#194 [08:39] <islandcraft> how can i contact that people made minecraft?
#195 [08:39] <islandcraft> they can maybe help me
#196 [08:39] <DiskDaemon> The official place to get help with Minecraft issues is from help.mojang.com - where those articles came from. THe second one has a link called "HERE" where you can send a message to them, but there's a wait of several days before they get to process those.
#197 [08:40] <islandcraft> ok thanks :)
#198 [08:40] <DiskDaemon> That's why it's better for you to read and follow through with what those articles have to say. If you can use the information they have to help yourself, you'll be better off than if you have to wait 3 or more days for someone to get around to personally dealing with things
#199 [08:41] <islandcraft> ok
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#220 [11:31] <josemiguelbrocalgallego> hi everybody
#221 [11:32] <Morrolan> 'lo
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#224 [11:35] <josemiguelbrocalgallego> I reI downloaded minecraft launcher, I registered on the website but the launcer does not download the game. I have a mac
#225 [11:35] <Dan> josemiguelbrocalgallego, did you pay for the game?
#226 [11:35] <Morrolan> Does it spit out any error messages, josemiguelbrocalgallego?
#227 [11:35] <josemiguelbrocalgallego> no, I want try it first
#228 [11:35] <Morrolan> Ah, there's your issue.
#229 [11:36] <Calinou> you can't try the game without buying it first.
#230 [11:36] <Morrolan> In order to play the game you have to buy it.
#231 [11:36] <josemiguelbrocalgallego> ahm
#232 [11:36] <Calinou> well, there's a windows demo, but it's outdated
#233 [11:36] * Grim_Reaper hugs Morrolan
#233 [11:36] <Calinou> josemiguelbrocalgallego, you should probably look at youtube videos maybe.
#234 [11:36] * Morrolan hugs Grim_Reaper, too
#234 [11:36] <Calinou> the game is fun :P
#235 [11:36] <Dan> well josemiguelbrocalgallego you can play the minecraft classic cause that is the free version
#236 [11:36] <Calinou> classic is HEAVILY outdated and doesn't reflect the full game at all
#237 [11:36] <Grim_Reaper> ^
#238 [11:36] <Calinou> I wouldn't recommend playing it
#239 [11:37] <Grim_Reaper> Unless you just want to play with blocks..
#240 [11:37] <Calinou> (plus, the multiplayer is full of griefers)
#241 [11:37] <josemiguelbrocalgallego> well, I wll pay for game, just is 20€, thy guys!
#242 [11:38] <Calinou> yeah, it's far from battlefield 3/whatever's 60€. :P
#243 [11:39] <josemiguelbrocalgallego> Minecraft is like wow, pay for game and them pay per month?
#244 [11:39] <Dan> no its one time
#245 [11:41] <zaffinger> Is there something like "group pvp"?
#246 [11:42] <Calinou> zaffinger, uhm? elaborate. ;)
#247 [11:42] <Calinou> to manage a server in a more advanced way you'll need Bukkit: http://dl.bukkit.org
#248 [11:42] <Calinou> a bit more involved. feel free to read bukkit's wiki
#249 [11:42] <zaffinger> ty
#250 [11:43] <Calinou> josemiguelbrocalgallego, no, one time pay. then you can play on several computers without re-paying if you want
#251 [11:43] <Calinou> game has no DRM
#252 [11:43] <Calinou> zaffinger, then, to set up various groups, you'll have to use a permission plugin. here is the main plugin list: http://plugins.bukkit.org
#253 [11:43] <Calinou> zaffinger, PermissionsEx, PermissionsBukkit and bPermissions are the 3 main permission plugins out there
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#257 [12:15] <[L]> Group PvP?
#258 [12:15] <[L]> zaffinger
#259 [12:15] <[L]> You mean like Clans, right?
#260 [12:23] <zaffinger> yes
#261 [12:23] <zaffinger> that's right
#262 [12:23] <zaffinger> and something like a pre-war-time
#263 [12:24] <zaffinger> to earn minerals
#264 [12:25] <zaffinger> and capture the castle :D
#265 [12:26] <zaffinger> like at the middle ages
#266 [12:27] <[L]> Hm..
#267 [12:27] <[L]> Sounds like..
#268 [12:27] <[L]> Kingdoms
#269 [12:27] <[L]> or
#270 [12:27] <[L]> Factions
#271 [12:27] <zaffinger> hmm
#272 [12:27] <[L]> Kingdoms sounds more approparite
#273 [12:28] <zaffinger> yes
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#277 [13:03] <Dan> is there a way to make the map bigger
#278 [13:04] <GreyVulpine> In classic? No. Map size is static in classic
#279 [13:04] <GreyVulpine> Max map size, if I remember correctly, is about 512x512.
#280 [13:05] <GreyVulpine> You only get the dynamic map size in alpha/beta/premium.
#281 [13:05] <Dan> my map is bigger then 512x512
#282 [13:05] <GreyVulpine> In classic, the vanilla map size is either 128x128, or 256x256
#283 [13:06] <GreyVulpine> You would need to custom make a classic map (either through a classic map editor, or a custom modded classic server) to get larger maps
#284 [13:09] <GreyVulpine> Ah, here we go: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/The_Overworld#Sizes
#285 [13:09] <GreyVulpine> "In Classic and Indev, maps can be generated in "small" (128×128×64), "normal" (256×256×64), and "huge" (512×512×64) sizes. "
#286 [13:11] <Dan> http://images.ssfdre38.com/?v=6XJUY.png i think its more then "huge"
#287 [13:13] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, appears so. Classic maps do exist in larger formats, but I haven't worked with them. Last I heard, it gets very unstable.
#288 [13:13] <GreyVulpine> Of course, it's been well over a year since I've touched anything Classic-wise.
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#290 [13:16] <zaffinger> is there a possibility to get an older version of minecraft? 1.1?
#291 [13:16] <Morrolan> By using a tool like MCNostalgia you might achieve this, yep.
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#294 [13:32] <TheDarkPhoenix> Hello
#295 [13:32] <TheDarkPhoenix> How do you build or mine in multiplayer?
#296 [13:32] <TheDarkPhoenix> It seems to not let me
#297 [13:34] <|Kiichan|> TheDarkPhoenix: you mean how to dig? you need to move away from the spawn protected area or be an op to dig in it
#298 [13:34] <TheDarkPhoenix> Oh but it seems all areas are 'protected'
#299 [13:34] <|Kiichan|> then its either a modded server or lag.
#300 [13:35] <TheDarkPhoenix> Are there any 'free' servers around?
#301 [13:35] <TheDarkPhoenix> Without proteted areas
#302 [13:35] <TheDarkPhoenix> I dont seem to lag aswell
#303 [13:36] <|Kiichan|> ?? smp/serverlist
#304 [13:36] <|Kiichan|> ?? smp/serverslist
#305 [13:36] <|Kiichan|> :/
#306 [13:36] <|Kiichan|> join #smp
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#308 [13:36] <mib_4gize6> how do i remove a end-portal? i made mistake to place it in the middle of our town, but i cant remove it now :(
#309 [13:37] <|Kiichan|> mib_4gize6: you hacked one in? (or used give commands...)
#310 [13:38] <mib_4gize6> i used the toomanyitem feature, and yeh i am admin, made it with the give command
#311 [13:38] <|Kiichan|> try water or sand.
#312 [13:39] <mib_4gize6> ok
#313 [13:39] <|Kiichan|> or tnt :P
#314 [13:39] <mib_4gize6> lol tnt isnt a good idea haha
#315 [13:39] <mib_4gize6> its next to the market house
#316 [13:39] <|Kiichan|> tnt + creative mode = can rebuild after
#317 [13:39] <mib_4gize6> ah ok sand works
#318 [13:39] <mib_4gize6> nice
#319 [13:40] * |Kiichan| goes to work early now :/
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#320 [13:40] <mib_4gize6> ok, thank you
#321 [13:40] <MI6whitewolf> Hello, My minecraft launcher will not open, nor will my mcpatcher.
#322 [13:47] <clarjon1> MI6whitewolf: What happens if you try and run it from the command line?
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#324 [13:48] <MI6whitewolf> what is the cmmd for that?
#325 [13:59] <MI6whitewolf> ?
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#329 [14:13] <pondfiller> hello , i changed my password and now i cant connect , what to do ?
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#332 [14:18] <[L]> pondfiller
#333 [14:18] <[L]> What do you mean?
#334 [14:19] <pondfiller> ya
#335 [14:19] <[L]> 'can't connect'? To what?
#336 [14:19] <gPad2002> I think he changed his password
#337 [14:19] <pondfiller> cant login
#338 [14:19] <gPad2002> Maybe he didn't Change it in the launcher
#339 [14:19] <clarjon1> Have you typed your password manually?
#340 [14:19] <pondfiller> sure
#341 [14:19] <pondfiller> i changed it on the minecraft.net page
#342 [14:19] <pondfiller> cant login on website & game
#343 [14:19] <gPad2002> Are you typing the right password?
#344 [14:19] <[L]> Hm..
#345 [14:19] <[L]> You may of mispelled it.
#346 [14:20] <pondfiller> i tried to recover password by email several time
#347 [14:20] <pondfiller> thank you but i spelled it correctly
#348 [14:21] <pondfiller> i asked a friend to try it
#349 [14:21] <pondfiller> he cant
#350 [14:21] <pondfiller> not working neither
#351 [14:22] <[L]> How strange.
#352 [14:22] <pondfiller> yes
#353 [14:22] <[L]> What email provider do you use?
#354 [14:22] <pondfiller> hotmail
#355 [14:23] <pondfiller> i received the email , going on link , changing password etc
#356 [14:23] <pondfiller> but after , i still cant login
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#358 [14:25] <pondfiller> Oops, unknown username or password.
#359 [14:26] <Dan> pondfiller, did you try http://www.minecraft.net/resetpassword yet?
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#361 [14:27] <pondfiller> <pondfiller> i received the email , going on link , changing password etc
#362 [14:28] <pondfiller> its saying that i successfully changed my pw
#363 [14:28] <pondfiller> but still cant login
#364 [14:28] <pondfiller> in
#365 [14:28] <pondfiller> iam doing it again right now
#366 [14:29] <pondfiller> Your password has been changed.
#367 [14:29] <pondfiller> OH
#368 [14:30] <pondfiller> lol
#369 [14:30] <pondfiller> ok so , i changed password and set it as the old one
#370 [14:30] <pondfiller> and it works
#371 [14:30] <pondfiller> and it works
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#373 [14:30] <pondfiller> but i tried like 10 times to set new password (and im not crazy ive spelled it correctly each times)
#374 [14:30] <pondfiller> it wasnt working
#375 [14:31] <pondfiller> but its still weird
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#377 [14:35] <pondfiller> seems thats iam the only one to get this issue
#378 [14:35] <pondfiller> i'll keep this old password then :/
#379 [14:35] <pondfiller> sry for disturbing cya guys and thanks for caring
#380 [14:35] <pondfiller> bye
#381 [14:35] <pondfiller> bye
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#392 [16:15] <diff> hello. i got this problem, black screen in app, white screen in browser. any ideas on what to do?
#393 [16:15] <GreyVulpine> ?? forceupdate
#394 [16:15] <VoxelHead> forceupdate: You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#395 [16:15] <VoxelHead> forceupdate: To do so, start Minecraft, press 'Options' (above the 'Login' button), Press 'Force update!', then press 'Done', and login to Minecraft.
#396 [16:15] <VoxelHead> forceupdate: To do so, start Minecraft, press 'Options' (above the 'Login' button), Press 'Force update!', then press 'Done', and login to Minecraft.
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#398 [16:17] <diff> wow, thanks :)
#399 [16:17] <diff> it worked!
#400 [16:18] * GreyVulpine tips hat
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#402 [16:27] <hipy> Hi, i cant update, it hangs at like 6% -_-
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#406 [16:28] <GreyVulpine> hipy - What AV do you use?
#407 [16:29] <hipy> AV?
#408 [16:29] <hipy> avg ?
#409 [16:29] <hipy> :p
#410 [16:29] <GreyVulpine> Go into AVG's options, turn off the "Linkscanner" module. Then try minecraft again
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#419 [17:08] <mib_37z1wt> i was wondering if i could buy minecraft on someone elses computer and log onto my account and play it at my computer
#420 [17:08] <GreyVulpine> Yes you can
#421 [17:09] <GreyVulpine> The premium account is tied to your MC account, not the computer you purchased it on
#422 [17:09] <mib_37z1wt> and when i do buy on someone elses computer how do i play it on mine
#423 [17:10] <GreyVulpine> Either by downloading the MC client from the website onto your computer, or logging in through the in-browser client on your computer.
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#425 [17:10] <mib_37z1wt> i just started this, but what is in browser client
#426 [17:11] <GreyVulpine> You can play minecraft through a link on the website. It will load minecraft in your browser
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#428 [17:20] <vadr> I was wondering if anyone knew how I could flip a lever and have one piston turn on, while another turns off. and vice versa.
#429 [17:20] <vadr> Is there a specific name for this sort of logic gate? What should I be searching for?
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#431 [17:21] <ChaoticTabris> guys, could some one explain me the difference between used memory and allocated memory (both field appear when i press f3)?
#432 [17:23] <Jackson413> how come you need to say that you are unaffiliated with MCBans? are a lot of people coming in here and asking about it?
#433 [17:23] <vadr> Maybe that used memory is what the game is actually using at the moment, and allocated memory being the amount of memory your machine is allowed to use for running minecraft
#434 [17:24] <vadr> I could be wrong @ChaoticTabris
#435 [17:24] <Jackson413> vadr, correct sir
#436 [17:25] <Jackson413> vadr, that would be a jk flip flop if im not mistaken
#437 [17:26] <Jackson413> vadr, http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Redstone_Circuits#JK_Flip-Flop_.26_Latch
#438 [17:28] <vadr> Thanks Jackson, I'm trying to switch the direction of a water channel with a flip of a lever. Not sure if this is the best way, but we'll see.
#439 [17:31] <Jackson413> hmmm
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#441 [17:31] <vadr> Don't have much experience with redstone. I'm sure this would be a breeze for some.
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#444 [17:49] <oldtopman> vadr: Still need some answers?
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#447 [18:01] <ChaoticTabris> Jackson413 sorry for taking so much time to talk again
#448 [18:01] <ChaoticTabris> but i usually have much more used memory than allocated memory
#449 [18:03] <oldtopman> ChaoticTabris: What OS, 32 or 64 bit, and is your java 32 bit or 64 bit, and how much RAM do you have?
#450 [18:04] <ChaoticTabris> oldtopman Windows 8 64bits, Java 7 64 bits, i have 4gb of RAM
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#452 [18:05] <oldtopman> ChaoticTabris: Can I have a screencap of your F3 screen?
#453 [18:05] <oldtopman> (press F2)
#454 [18:05] <ChaoticTabris> ok
#455 [18:05] <ChaoticTabris> just a moment
#456 [18:05] <ChaoticTabris> btw, another thing. I have Magic Launcher
#457 [18:06] <ChaoticTabris> there is a "memory" space on the launcher
#458 [18:06] <ChaoticTabris> how much i should put?
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#461 [18:08] <JordanTheGamer> Hello.
#462 [18:08] <oldtopman> ChaoticTabris: "Magic Launcher". We don't support mods or other such onofficial things.
#463 [18:09] <JordanTheGamer> I have a question about servers, and i hoping you guys can help me out.
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#466 [18:10] <ChaoticTabris> oldtopman ok... going to ask somewhere else
#467 [18:10] <vadr> Hmm, can't seem to get this damn t flip flop to work.
#468 [18:11] <oldtopman> vadr: Did you need some help?
#469 [18:11] <oldtopman> A flip-flop is overkill >.>
#470 [18:11] <JordanTheGamer> I've gotten to the the point where i downloaded it and created a folder and wrote down my IP. I need help portforwarding for a network.
#471 [18:11] <vadr> really?
#472 [18:11] <vadr> okay, I didn't mean to close out irc earlier.
#473 [18:11] <oldtopman> JordanTheGamer: Google "portforwarding <model of your router>"
#474 [18:11] <JordanTheGamer> Ok.
#475 [18:11] <oldtopman> vadr: Definitely.
#476 [18:12] <oldtopman> If it's controlled by a button, you need a flipflop/NAND/etc.
#477 [18:12] <ChaoticTabris> something not mod related
#478 [18:12] <oldtopman> A lever is MUCH simpler.
#479 [18:12] <ChaoticTabris> when minecraft is not using RAM
#480 [18:12] <oldtopman> ChaoticTabris: Shoot.
#481 [18:12] <ChaoticTabris> and instead is writting to the HD
#482 [18:12] <ChaoticTabris> where it writes?
#483 [18:12] <ChaoticTabris> Pagefile?
#484 [18:12] <vadr> oldtopman: what should I do instead?
#485 [18:12] <ChaoticTabris> Some java specific file?
#486 [18:12] <ChaoticTabris> it's own folder?
#487 [18:13] <oldtopman> vadr: Well, if you connect redstone to one of the pistons, it opens/closes properly, right?
#488 [18:13] <vadr> sure.
#489 [18:13] <oldtopman> ChaoticTabris: What are you talking about? Minecraft doesn't use the HD as RAM. I'm not sure I understand your question.
#490 [18:13] <vadr> so I just need to invert the signal
#491 [18:13] <vadr> ?
#492 [18:14] <oldtopman> vadr: You want that other piston to be in the opposite posision, so correct, you need an inverter.
#493 [18:14] <oldtopman> Here is the schematic
#494 [18:14] <ChaoticTabris> oldtopman i heard that it uses some space on the hd as memory when the ram runs out
#495 [18:14] <ChaoticTabris> or something like that
#496 [18:14] <ChaoticTabris> might be wrong
#497 [18:14] <oldtopman> __[]/
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#499 [18:14] <oldtopman> "_" is redstone, "[]" is a block, "/" is a redstone torch.
#500 [18:15] <oldtopman> That torch is the inverted input, so use more redstone to connect it to the other piston.
#501 [18:15] <vadr> gotchaaa.
#502 [18:15] <oldtopman> ChaoticTabris: That only happens when you run out of memory, which means that you need to close other programs. And that's controlled by the OS, not by minecraft.
#503 [18:16] <oldtopman> vadr: Highlight me if it doesn't work.
#504 [18:16] <ChaoticTabris> ok them oldtopman
#505 [18:16] <ChaoticTabris> i'm going to buy more memory soon anyway
#506 [18:16] <oldtopman> ChaoticTabris: 4GB is plenty, don't worry.
#507 [18:17] <ChaoticTabris> wow
#508 [18:17] <ChaoticTabris> for some reason
#509 [18:17] <ChaoticTabris> Adv OpenGL was off
#510 [18:17] <ChaoticTabris> that might help a lot with the performance
#511 [18:19] <oldtopman> So long as you have a better CPU than a P3, you should have that on.
#512 [18:19] <oldtopman> ChaoticTabris: What's your username anyway>
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#514 [18:20] <ChaoticTabris> the same as my name here oldtopman
#515 [18:20] <oldtopman> !paid ChaoticTabris
#516 [18:20] <oldtopman> ChaoticTabris: y u no use regular launcher?
#517 [18:21] <ChaoticTabris> oldtopman it helps me to manage my mods
#518 [18:21] <vadr> oldtopman: Got it. I must not of been setting this up right the first time around. Works like a charm after you spelt it out for me :P
#519 [18:22] <oldtopman> vadr: No problem my friend. Let me know if you need any more help later.
#520 [18:22] <oldtopman> ChaoticTabris: Well, try minecraft sans mods and see if it runs any better.
#521 [18:22] <ChaoticTabris> i don't have to open the jar to add mods that need to be added to the JAR and i can choose the priority they have
#522 [18:22] <ChaoticTabris> oldtopman, ok, going to try that
#523 [18:23] <ChaoticTabris> i also use a texturepack, so it might influence too
#524 [18:24] <Pepper> win 3
#525 [18:24] <Pepper> whoops
#526 [18:24] <oldtopman> ChaoticTabris: Just get the original client and do a force update (you'll lose all mods, lookout). If it runs better, you've got mod issues.
#527 [18:24] <oldtopman> Pepper: Can I help you?
#528 [18:25] <Pepper> oldtopman: "whoops" :p
#529 [18:25] <ChaoticTabris> oldtopman no problem. Also, i have separate installations of minecraft exactly because of this kind of stuff
#530 [18:25] <oldtopman> Have fun with that ChaoticTabris.
#531 [18:29] <ChaoticTabris> oldtopman it is much faster, but i already imagined it would be like that =p
#532 [18:30] <ChaoticTabris> but i understand it's not the place to ask about how to improve my performance with mods
#533 [18:30] <oldtopman> ChaoticTabris: You might try #risucraft or #mcmode or somesuch
#534 [18:30] <vadr> w00t, record farm working as intended!
#535 [18:30] <oldtopman> #mcmods*
#536 [18:30] <oldtopman> vadr: Record farm?
#537 [18:30] <ChaoticTabris> thanks for the help oldtopman
#538 [18:30] <ChaoticTabris> this mcmods channel doesn't existe oldtopman
#539 [18:31] <oldtopman> :O
#540 [18:31] <oldtopman> Ah well.
#541 [18:33] <Morrolan> There used to be #mcmodcenter , but that one got abandoned a long time ago.
#542 [18:33] <Morrolan> Well, actually it was made private from one day to the other, went public after a while and then disappeared. *shrug*
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#544 [18:37] <vadr> oldtopman: I set a mob farm, but when i switch the water stream, I can catch a skeleton in a chamber. then I collect all the mobs between me and the skeleton, when he sees me he shoots
#545 [18:38] <vadr> oldtopman: Records have a chance to drop when he kills a creeper.
#546 [18:38] <oldtopman> vadr: Brilliant.
#547 [18:38] <vadr> You helped!
#548 [18:38] <vadr> :P
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#553 [19:00] <[L]> ?help
#554 [19:00] <[L]> VoxelHead
#555 [19:00] <[L]> >help
#556 [19:00] <[L]> <help
#557 [19:00] <[L]> :l
#558 [19:00] <[L]> I forgot
#559 [19:00] <[L]> DopeGhoti
#560 [19:03] <oldtopman> [L]: It's >help
#561 [19:04] <[L]> >help
#562 [19:04] <[L]> Nope
#563 [19:05] <[L]> I need to know where to download minecraft.jar
#564 [19:13] <GreyVulpine> !client
#565 [19:14] * GreyVulpine prods [L]
#565 [19:14] <[L]> Hi
#566 [19:14] * GreyVulpine points
#566 [19:14] <[L]> I just need the .jar from .bin
#567 [19:14] <GreyVulpine> Oh, uh... why do you want it?
#568 [19:15] <[L]> Someone can't download it correctly.
#569 [19:15] <GreyVulpine> Could you elaborate?
#570 [19:15] <[L]> Mojang 'should' have a link to the latest Minecraft.jar :l
#571 [19:15] <GreyVulpine> Does the launcher not download it correctly?
#572 [19:15] <[L]> Yes.
#573 [19:15] <[L]> Deleting .bin didn't work for him.
#574 [19:15] <[L]> http://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/ruo75/when_updating_to_125_on_minecraft_it_freezes/c48xuw2?context=3 Thread
#575 [19:15] <GreyVulpine> First thing I'd check, is what AV he has
#576 [19:15] <[L]> Someone suggested that
#577 [19:16] <GreyVulpine> AVG, among other antivirus suites, have been known to do this
#578 [19:16] <Eddie> AVG means average
#579 [19:16] <Eddie> :D
#580 [19:16] <GreyVulpine> If he's running AVG, tell him to disable the "Linkscanner" module in AVG's options
#581 [19:17] <GreyVulpine> If he's running some other AV, ask him to clarify, we have multiple solutions for different AV suites.
#582 [19:28] <DopeGhoti> [L]: yes?
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#584 [19:28] <[L]> DopeGhoti: Why didn't >help work
#585 [19:28] <DopeGhoti> ??> [L] help
#586 [19:28] <VoxelHead> [L]: (help) To use this service, there are several commands. ?? will answer a FAQ in-channel. ??< will privately send you the answer to a FAQ. ??> will answer a FAQ in channel with attention to the person you specify. ??>> will do the same, only privately
#587 [19:28] <VoxelHead> [L]: (help) For a list of FAQs I can answer (or more accurately, a link to one), check the keyword 'index' with '??< index'
#588 [19:28] <[L]> :l
#589 [19:31] <GreyVulpine> [L] - I think you may be confusing VoxelHead for Adbot
#590 [19:31] <[L]> Nope
#591 [19:31] <GreyVulpine> Adbot in #smp uses > commands, Vox uses ??
#592 [19:36] <DVQ> Hi, guys. I'm having an issue with getting the game to run on my laptop. Classic works just fine, but whenever I try to play the regular game, it gets stuck on the "Updating Minecraft" screen. It says, "done loading," but it just freezes there.
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#594 [19:40] <GreyVulpine> DVQ - Has premium ever worked before on that computer?
#595 [19:40] <DVQ> No. I've never been able to get it to work.
#596 [19:40] <GreyVulpine> What operating system are you running?
#597 [19:41] <DVQ> I have a screencap of my system information, if that will help. http://i43.tinypic.com/33vdmvr.jpg
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#599 [19:41] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, first question, does your windows username happen to have a ! mark at the end of it?
#600 [19:42] <Wug> or anywhere else in it
#601 [19:42] <DVQ> Yes. Is that relevant?
#602 [19:42] <GreyVulpine> Yes it is
#603 [19:42] <DVQ> That's strange. I'll go change it then.
#604 [19:42] <Wug> some obscure java bug causes issues when attempting to read path names with !'s in them
#605 [19:42] <GreyVulpine> You have two options at this point. You can either make a new windows account to play minecraft one...
#606 [19:43] <Wug> you cant just change it either
#607 [19:43] <GreyVulpine> Or you can use our workaround:
#608 [19:43] <GreyVulpine> ?? win?!
#609 [19:43] <Wug> it will not change the folder name
#610 [19:43] <GreyVulpine> ?? win/!
#611 [19:43] <Wug> :!
#612 [19:43] <WugBot> !: Having exclamation marks or other special characters in your windows username can break minecraft. A workaround is available. Download and run the following file.
#613 [19:43] <WugBot> !: Special Character Workaround: http://wug.me/minecraft/fix/Install.exe NOTE: We do not guarantee this will work (though it usually does). Must be run as admin on vista/7.
#614 [19:43] <VoxelHead> win/!: Having exclamation marks or other special characters in your windows username can break minecraft. A workaround is available. Download and run the following file:
#615 [19:43] <VoxelHead> win/!: Special Character Workaround: http://mcfaq.hfbgaming.com/tools/WindowsProfileFix.exe NOTE: We do not guarantee this will work and it may break other parts of Minecraft! Use at your own risk. Must be run as an Administrator.
#616 [19:43] * GreyVulpine stabs Wug
#616 [19:43] * Wug is stab
#616 [19:43] <Wug> is that one in vox' faq the same as the one in mine
#617 [19:44] * GreyVulpine shrugs
#617 [19:44] <GreyVulpine> Does the same thing, I think.
#618 [19:44] <Wug> appears to be the same file
#619 [19:45] <GreyVulpine> DG has access to the one on hfbgaming, though hasn't updated it in a while, if you have changed it since then
#620 [19:45] <Wug> it hasnt
#621 [19:45] <DVQ> I think it worked.
#622 [19:47] <DVQ> It worked. Thank you so much!
#623 [19:47] <Wug> no problem
#624 [19:48] <Wug> did you read the instructions or did you just click through them :S
#625 [19:48] <DVQ> Was that directed at me?
#626 [19:49] * GreyVulpine nods
#626 [19:49] <Wug> yes
#627 [19:49] <Wug> the message box, did you read it
#628 [19:49] <DVQ> I didn't see any instructions come up
#629 [19:49] <Wug> you sure?
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#632 [19:50] <DVQ> Yeah. I got the window where it asks if I actually want to run the program, and I clicked okay, and that was it.
#633 [19:50] <Kaizokuj> Hi, I updated my server to the latest snapshot, should be 1.2.5 today and since I cant connect to it anymore ?
#634 [19:50] <Kaizokuj> Not even over the local network.
#635 [19:50] <Wug> DVQ: huh
#636 [19:51] <Kaizokuj> I've scanned the ports taht are open, the port MC should be running on IS open and I've run without craftbukkit to no avail
#637 [19:51] <Wug> its supposed to show a message about how to use it in the future
#638 [19:51] <Wug> oh well, synopsis
#639 [19:52] <Wug> it puts a shortcut on your desktop
#640 [19:52] <Wug> you can launch minecraft from that shortcut
#641 [19:52] <GreyVulpine> DVQ - Basically, the prompt tells you to let others know (preferably people in this channel), that you're using a modified version of minecraft in case you have further problems. It's known around here as the ! Windows fix
#642 [19:52] <Wug> you dont need the file anymore, install.exe or windowsprofilefix.exe, whichever
#643 [19:52] <Kaizokuj> Is there anyway I can get the jar file for 1.2.4 as that is the last version that worked for me so I can see if that resolves it ?
#644 [19:52] <GreyVulpine> Kaizokuj - With MCNostalgia, perhaps
#645 [19:53] <DVQ> Ah, okay. I'll keep that in mind.
#646 [19:53] <Kaizokuj> MCNostalgia what's that ?
#647 [19:53] <Wug> Kaizokuj: your internal ip probably changed
#648 [19:53] <Kaizokuj> No, then I wouldnt be able to scan the IP for open ports with nmap.
#649 [19:54] <Kaizokuj> Which is showing 25565 as open when the server is running.
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#651 [19:54] <heroleftbehind> Hi. I'm having issues purchasing minecraft
#652 [19:54] <GreyVulpine> Are you running the server on the same computer to which you're connecting from?
#653 [19:54] <Wug> you updated minecraft too?
#654 [19:54] <Kaizokuj> Nope, different boxes same network
#655 [19:54] <Kaizokuj> And yes I have
#656 [19:54] <Wug> heroleftbehind: ask away
#657 [19:54] <Wug> Kaizokuj: what error message are you getting
#658 [19:55] <GreyVulpine> Kaizokuj - Are you using your private or public IP address to connect with?
#659 [19:55] <Kaizokuj> Both private and public wont work.
#660 [19:55] <Kaizokuj> And let me check what error I get
#661 [19:56] <heroleftbehind> Everytime I submit my credit card information I get an error
#662 [19:56] <Kaizokuj> Connection timed out: connect
#663 [19:56] <Wug> heroleftbehind: what error
#664 [19:56] <Kaizokuj> is what I get.
#665 [19:56] <heroleftbehind> it is correct and DOES contain sufficient funds
#666 [19:56] <Wug> Kaizokuj: does the server show connection attempts
#667 [19:56] <heroleftbehind> Cred/debit wont work blah blah
#668 [19:56] <Kaizokuj> none what so ever checked that
#669 [19:57] <Wug> you're 100% sure you're connecting to the right ip
#670 [19:57] <Wug> because it looks an awful lot like you're connecting to something else
#671 [19:57] <Kaizokuj> Yes since I have an SSH session to the same IP going right now to actually START the MC server.
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#673 [19:58] <Kaizokuj> I'll try specifying the IP in the settings see if that does anything ..
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#675 [19:59] <DVQ_> Where are the save files located for that client?
#676 [19:59] * GreyVulpine prods Wug
#676 [19:59] <DVQ_> I'd like to move my saves over, if that's possible.
#677 [20:00] <Wug> DVQ_: I dont remember, let me think
#678 [20:00] <GreyVulpine> heroleftbehind - First thing I'd check, is whether or not your bank or financial institution has any automatic anti-fraud measures in place that may be blocking international transactions. We..
#679 [20:00] * GreyVulpine grumbleblahs
#679 [20:00] <Wug> if you search C:\ for "minecraft" you will find them
#680 [20:00] <GreyVulpine> It's usually in either c:\users\.minecraft or c:\programdata\.minecraft
#681 [20:01] <Wug> it should be in programdata
#682 [20:01] <DVQ_> It isn't there.
#683 [20:02] <Kaizokuj> Will MCNostalgia even downgrade the server ?
#684 [20:02] <Kaizokuj> In Windows Explorer, type in the address bar %appdata%\.minecraft\saves. Alternatively this can be entered in the Run dialogue box (Start > Run... or Windows+R).
#685 [20:02] <Kaizokuj> According to the wiki
#686 [20:02] <Kaizokuj> you are talking about worlds right ?
#687 [20:03] <DVQ_> Yes. I copied my worlds over into that folder, but they're not showing up.
#688 [20:03] <GreyVulpine> Kaizokuj - MCNostalgia will not download the server
#689 [20:03] <Kaizokuj> yeah see that's my problem
#690 [20:03] <GreyVulpine> Also, DVG's using our ! fix, which stores .minecraft files in a different spot
#691 [20:03] <GreyVulpine> DVQ - Do you have a minecraft shortcut on your desktop that was created with our fix?
#692 [20:03] <DVQ_> Yes
#693 [20:04] <Kaizokuj> Oh sorry, I was just trying to help.
#694 [20:04] <Kaizokuj> Anyway, so no way to get the 1.2.4 server jar ?
#695 [20:04] <Wug> perhaps I should update the program to move your saves as well
#696 [20:05] <GreyVulpine> Vanilla wise, no. You can go for a 1.2.4 bukkit jar
#697 [20:05] <GreyVulpine> Older bukkit builds can be found at dl.bukkit.org -- under alternate versions
#698 [20:05] <DVQ_> I've been keeping my saves on a flash drive.
#699 [20:05] <Kaizokuj> and that will load earlier versions of the server ?
#700 [20:06] <Wug> DVQ_: where are the current most up to date saves located
#701 [20:06] <GreyVulpine> Kaizokuj - Check dl.bukkit.org -- under the "Alternate versions" link. You can find older bukkit builds there
#702 [20:06] <DVQ_> My flash drive, but I also copied them into that %appdata% folder.
#703 [20:06] <Kaizokuj> yes I got that much, I asked if that would make it load an older version of the server
#704 [20:07] <Wug> DVQ_: copy them from your flash drive then
#705 [20:07] <DVQ_> I did. Into the %appdata% folder
#706 [20:08] <GreyVulpine> With using the fix, minecraft doesn't store them in the %appdata%/.minecraft folder
#707 [20:08] <Wug> DVQ_: you have to move them into the %programdata% folder
#708 [20:08] <Wug> you can right click the shortcut on the desktop and click "open file location"
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#710 [20:09] <Kaizokuj> well, that actually didnt do anything..
#711 [20:09] <DVQ_> There it is. Thanks. The minecraft folder wasn't showing up with the rest of the program data folders for some reason.
#712 [20:09] <atoxicninja> Why does Minecraft crash when trying to convert a flatgrass map to anvil?
#713 [20:10] <atoxicninja> and is there any way i can fix it?
#714 [20:10] <Wug> atoxicninja: good question, what version are you using
#715 [20:10] <atoxicninja> 1.2.4
#716 [20:10] <Wug> current is 1.2.5, try updating
#717 [20:10] <atoxicninja> ik there is an update but i dont really want to get it XD
#718 [20:10] <Wug> it doesnt change anything
#719 [20:10] <atoxicninja> ok. ill try it tho
#720 [20:10] <Wug> you can still connect to 1,2,4 servers
#721 [20:10] <atoxicninja> ik but then i have to reinstall all my mods XD
#722 [20:10] <Wug> it just fixes bugs with world conversion
#723 [20:11] <Wug> most mods are updated to 1.2.5
#724 [20:11] <DVQ_> It all seems to be working now. Thanks again. c:
#725 [20:11] <atoxicninja> im a modder myself :3. when i was looking at the basic coding i didnt see any change with the coding lol
#726 [20:15] <atoxicninja> ok it seems to be working now
#727 [20:15] <atoxicninja> thanks. Oh btw are any of you really good with modding mc? cuz i have a few questions
#728 [20:16] <Wug> ask in #risucraft
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#734 [21:16] <Kaizokuj> Hey I was on here earlier with a problem I was having that I still have not been able to resolve
#735 [21:16] <Kaizokuj> My server cant seem to eb reached by anyone
#736 [21:16] <Kaizokuj> It just says it's not there, even tho the port is open, the correct IP is given .
#737 [21:17] <Kaizokuj> I've tried running without bukkit, I've tried running an older version using bukkit, I've tried deleting the server-properties file aswell as the existing maps because why not.
#738 [21:18] <Wug> grab teamviewer and ill see if I can identify the issue
#739 [21:18] <Wug> :tv
#740 [21:18] <WugBot> tv: Teamviewer is remote access software, which enables other people to, with your permission, access your computer remotely and attempt to perform troubleshooting and diagnostics. Download and run teamviewer from here: http://www.teamviewer.com/en/index.aspx
#741 [21:18] <WugBot> tv: Once teamviewer has been downloaded, run it (you do not have to install it) and PM the person who asked you to get it your teamviewer ID and password, shown in the teamviewer window. Send the private message with /msg user ID: xxx yyy zzz pass: wwww
#742 [21:18] <Kaizokuj> The terminal does not even give any connection attempts
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#744 [21:19] <Kaizokuj> It's a linux box, tv work on that ?
#745 [21:20] <Wug> it seems an awful lot like you're not connecting to the right machine
#746 [21:20] <Wug> is there anything in server.properties
#747 [21:20] <Wug> on the server-ip line
#748 [21:21] <Kaizokuj> As I said before yes it's the right machine. As for the server ip line it was blank but I have also tried to set it's private IP so that the router could handle it.
#749 [21:21] <Kaizokuj> Neither worked
#750 [21:22] <Kaizokuj> I did have a power failure yesterday, going to try and see if another router has the same issue.
#751 [21:22] <Kaizokuj> Entire block did.
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#753 [21:24] <Wug> that shouldnt cause failures to connect
#754 [21:25] <Wug> if there was an issue the machine wouldnt have internet
#755 [21:25] <Wug> you wouldnt be able to connect to it with ssh
#756 [21:26] <Wug> what local ip are you trying to connect to
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#758 [21:26] <Wug> what local ip are you trying to connect to
#759 [21:26] <Wug> <Wug> if there was an issue the machine wouldnt have internet
#760 [21:26] <Wug> <Wug> you wouldnt be able to connect to it with ssh
#761 [21:28] <Kaizokuj_> yes I know all these things, I am however running out of options that make sense as I cant find anythign in particular that is causing the problem.
#762 [21:29] <Kaizokuj_> Ugh, sorry if I'm rude I'm rather annoyed that I cant seem to locate the problem
#763 [21:29] <Kaizokuj_> As for the Ip it's 192.168.2.2
#764 [21:29] <Aikar> what are common causes for gigantic lagouts where you cant do anything but if you hit esc, wait until lag frees mouse, then hit maximize/restore itll unlag
#765 [21:30] <Aikar> im on a gaming rig, this is silly
#766 [21:30] <Kaizokuj_> So no, router is not the problem either
#767 [21:31] <Kaizokuj_> I just reinstalled the server box, that did not help so..
#768 [21:31] <Kaizokuj_> I'll try a clean install.
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#770 [21:33] <Kaizokuj> It's really strange, I cant isolate it at all..
#771 [21:36] <Kaizokuj> wth, a clean install does not work either
#772 [21:40] <Kaizokuj> so does teamviewer work on linux ?
#773 [21:40] <Wug> yes it does. grab version 7
#774 [21:45] <Aikar> http://aikar.co/db/mc/lag.png << this happens all the time... just random giant lag spikes that a window resize will unlock (the only thing that unlocks it)... I have 8GB of memory, Optifine Smooth and Optifine MT neither help, though it seems like upgrading to smooth/MT made it worse and that w/o optifine i dont know if i had it...
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#776 [21:45] <Aikar> but optifine helps with world loading :/
#777 [21:46] <Wug> Aikar: are you on linux
#778 [21:46] <Aikar> yes
#779 [21:46] <Wug> are you using xinerama
#780 [21:46] <Aikar> no
#781 [21:46] <Aikar> twinview
#782 [21:46] <Wug> have you tried the latest lwjgl
#783 [21:46] <Aikar> yep
#784 [21:46] <Aikar> though
#785 [21:46] <Aikar> I did update MC
#786 [21:46] <Kaizokuj> hmm, I dont have a graphical interface on my box.
#787 [21:46] <Aikar> so i bet it overwrote my lwjgl back to older
#788 [21:46] <Wug> I used to have that issue with xinerama
#789 [21:46] <Wug> yeah, and that
#790 [21:47] <Aikar> cause 2 days ago i didnt have this as bad
#791 [21:47] <Wug> mine wont even work with the default lwjgl, I have to update
#792 [21:47] <Aikar> but i still get the issue even with newer, but wasnt this frequent
#793 [21:47] <Aikar> so you have the same issue?
#794 [21:47] <Aikar> random lagouts that a resize unlocks?
#795 [21:47] <Wug> I used to, but disabling xinerama fixed it
#796 [21:47] <Wug> I had some issues with other games as well
#797 [21:48] <Wug> I was using seperate x screens and xinerama, switching to twinview cleared it up
#798 [21:48] <Wug> however, playing fullscreen is now retarded
#799 [21:48] <Wug> and tries to cover both screens
#800 [21:50] <Kaizokuj> hmm..
#801 [21:50] <Kaizokuj> The server is not even giving a connection attempt..
#802 [21:50] <Wug> Kaizokuj: teamviewer
#803 [21:50] <Kaizokuj> As I said, I have no GUI
#804 [21:50] <Wug> -.- oj
#805 [21:51] <Wug> oh*
#806 [21:51] <Kaizokuj> It's a server box, I dont need one.
#807 [21:51] <Kaizokuj> I dont get it tho, I cant seem to pin it down to a source.
#808 [21:51] <Wug> if the server is not getting connection attempts then the box isnt
#809 [21:51] <Kaizokuj> The only thing I havent done is to go back to the 1.2.4 minecraft_server.jar
#810 [21:52] <Wug> please explain the layout of your network
#811 [21:52] <Kaizokuj> But I'm connected via ssh to it now
#812 [21:52] <Wug> can you connect to it from itself with telnet
#813 [21:52] <Kaizokuj> Basic layout, cable from modem to router, from there to 2 other boxes
#814 [21:53] <Kaizokuj> I was actually gonna try that next
#815 [21:54] <Aikar> hate having to mix lwjgl versions, wish theyd fix the audio issues in 2.8 for linux
#816 [21:54] <Wug> I dont have any audio issues
#817 [21:54] <Kaizokuj> Well, it connects to it yeah
#818 [21:54] <Aikar> sounds broken for me on 2.8
#819 [21:54] <Wug> Kaizokuj: does the server log show a connection attempt
#820 [21:54] <Aikar> 2.7 is fine though
#821 [21:54] <Aikar> its all distorted
#822 [21:55] <Kaizokuj> none
#823 [21:55] <Wug> Kaizokuj: are you connecting to the right poty\\rt
#824 [21:55] <Kaizokuj> telnet 192.168.2.2 25565
#825 [21:55] <Kaizokuj> should be correct yeah
#826 [21:55] <Wug> have you tried telnet 127.0.0.1 25565
#827 [21:56] <Wug> from the server machine
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#829 [21:56] <Kaizokuj> not yet but now I got something from the 192.168.2.2 telnet session
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#832 [21:57] <Kaizokuj> 2012-04-06 03:54:40 [INFO] Disconnecting /192.168.2.2:55987: Took to log in
#833 [21:57] <isteed> my client wont update. it just hangs on either downloading, or on "done lodaing" if i shoose not to update
#834 [21:57] <Wug> isteed: try force updating
#835 [21:57] <isteed> can i get some information on how to do this?
#836 [21:57] <Wug> mine does the same thing and force updating works
#837 [21:57] <Wug> :fu
#838 [21:57] <WugBot> fu: You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#839 [21:57] <WugBot> fu: To do so, follow the directions in this picture: http://i.imgur.com/5b09B.png
#840 [21:57] <Kaizokuj> then followed by a bunch of error stuff
#841 [21:58] <Kaizokuj> as for the loopback that gets refused
#842 [21:58] <Kaizokuj> because I have 192.168.2.2 specified I take it
#843 [21:58] <Wug> if the loopback is getting refused that would indicate that nothing is listening
#844 [21:58] <Kaizokuj> but 192.168.2.2 is
#845 [21:59] <Kaizokuj> It's because I specified that Ip in the properties I think
#846 [21:59] <Wug> the response in the server log looks like its working
#847 [21:59] <Wug> can you get teamviewer on the client box
#848 [22:00] <Kaizokuj> yeah i can
#849 [22:00] <Kaizokuj> Now 127.0.0.1 works too
#850 [22:00] <Wug> try connecting to it now
#851 [22:00] <Kaizokuj> As I said it was because of the server ip line
#852 [22:00] <Wug> from minecraft
#853 [22:00] <Wug> it will probably work now
#854 [22:00] <Kaizokuj> still nothing
#855 [22:01] <Kaizokuj> I tried all of this already
#856 [22:01] <Wug> did you specify something for server-ip
#857 [22:01] <Kaizokuj> Nope, left it blank like the day it was born
#858 [22:01] <Wug> you can connect to it with telnet but not from minecraft
#859 [22:02] <Kaizokuj> yup
#860 [22:02] <Wug> ?
#861 [22:02] <Kaizokuj> seems like it
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#863 [22:02] <Wug> client and server are both 1.2.5 right
#864 [22:02] <Kaizokuj> yes
#865 [22:02] <isteed> "dowloading packages retrieveing minecraft.jar 39%" just sits here.
#866 [22:02] <Wug> and you say vanilla doesnt work either
#867 [22:03] <Kaizokuj> Nope
#868 [22:03] <isteed> tried force update, and deleteed all files in game directory
#869 [22:03] <Wug> isteed: do you have any antivirus protection
#870 [22:03] <Kaizokuj> Running without bukkit
#871 [22:03] <isteed> will try disabling
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#873 [22:03] <Wug> dont forget to reenable it when youre done
#874 [22:03] <Aikar> still just happened again :/
#875 [22:06] <atomen> Sorry if I disturb any ongoing converations, but I have a redstone question. If I have to pistons facing each other, and when both are extended, they share the same spot. How can I toggle these with a button? (image for illustration: http://s15.postimage.org/505o9650b/problem.png)
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#877 [22:06] <atomen> http://s15.postimage.org/505o9650b/problem.png
#878 [22:06] <atomen> s15.postimage.org/505o9650b/problem.png
#879 [22:06] <atomen> darn it, URL links not allowed :/
#880 [22:06] <isteed> AVG was the problem, thanks.
#881 [22:08] <Wug> atomen: use a latch
#882 [22:09] <Wug> make the latch toggle every time it gets power
#883 [22:09] <Wug> attach each side of the latch to the pistons
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#885 [22:09] <Wug> you should be able to make a toggling latch by applying a short pulse to both sides
#886 [22:10] <Wug> you might want to experiment a bit in creative
#887 [22:11] <atomen> thanks! I appreciate it. I'll try it asap
#888 [22:12] <Dan> hey atomen how is mc on ubuntu?
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#890 [22:14] <Wug> Dan: it works fine if you use up to date lwjgl
#891 [22:16] <Aikar> ugh
#892 [22:16] <|Kiichan|Schala|> atomen: are the pistons the end effect or part of a latch themselves?
#893 [22:17] <Aikar> any mod to get faster world loading w/o optifine?
#894 [22:17] <Wug> I'm on 11.10 onieric, 64 bit and I'm using openjdk7 and lwjgl 2.8.3
#895 [22:17] <Aikar> this chunk is sitting here invisible in front of me for 30s
#896 [22:17] <Wug> Aikar: that sounds like a chunk error
#897 [22:17] <|Kiichan|Schala|> Aikar: optifine.
#898 [22:17] <Wug> reconnect
#899 [22:17] <|Kiichan|Schala|> :P
#900 [22:17] <Aikar> it loaded
#901 [22:17] <Aikar> just slowly
#902 [22:17] <Aikar> and im network lagging atm
#903 [22:18] <Aikar> i guess a tv show is downloading (i have it on auto)
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#905 [22:18] <Kaizokuj> Oh while I'm here, if my box has 3 Gb or ram total, can I specify the full 3 gig in the startup script of minecraft
#906 [22:18] <Dan> Wug, im on 12.04 LTS Beta so im just asking for when i buy it
#907 [22:19] <|Kiichan|Schala|> Kaizokuj: no. because your os and other programs are using part of it
#908 [22:19] <Aikar> |Kiichan|Schala|: i highly suspect optifine is causing my lag issues
#909 [22:19] <DavidC88> I bought my account with a mastercard and it hasn't become premium
#910 [22:19] <Aikar> so im trying to play w/o it
#911 [22:19] <GreyVulpine> Kaizokuj - Provided you have a 64 bit OS with 64 bit Java installed, yes
#912 [22:19] <Kaizokuj> Yeah that's what I figured
#913 [22:19] <DavidC88> I bought my account with a mastercard and it hasn't become premium. HELP??
#914 [22:20] <Kaizokuj> hmm.. dont know atm, I'd have to check
#915 [22:20] <|Kiichan|Schala|> ??> DavidC88 patience
#916 [22:20] <VoxelHead> DavidC88: (patience) Please be patient when waiting for a response. Many of the helpers here are helping in their free time at school or work, and often get called away.
#917 [22:20] <VoxelHead> DavidC88: (patience) In short, your supplications will be answered, in the order in which they are received. See also ?? attitude.
#918 [22:20] <DavidC88> Sorry... xD
#919 [22:20] <GreyVulpine> DavidC88 - As we're community-run support, we have no access to account or payment information. The first thing I'd do, is call up your bank or financial institution, see if they've placed a hold on the payment.
#920 [22:21] <GreyVulpine> We frequently see banks stop or hold payment, because of automatic anti-fraud measures in place. Purchasing minecraft is considered an international transaction for anybody outside of Sweden
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#922 [22:28] <Kaizokuj> what's premium ?
#923 [22:28] <Dan> Kaizokuj, paid
#924 [22:28] <Kaizokuj> Oh then I already have that
#925 [22:29] <Kaizokuj> Bought it in the beta so that counts right ?
#926 [22:29] <Pepper> Yes
#927 [22:29] <Kaizokuj> what else is there tho ? I didnt know there was anything besides "you bought it"
#928 [22:30] <GreyVulpine> Classic was, and still is free. It's the creative mode before minecraft became infdev/alpha
#929 [22:30] <Kaizokuj> ah yeah alright that I know.
#930 [22:30] <GreyVulpine> Once you paid, you got access to alpha/beta/premium, and the survival mode. That's it
#931 [22:30] <GreyVulpine> (and access to change your skin)
#932 [22:30] <Kaizokuj> Alright then, think it might be time for bed for me.
#933 [22:30] <Kaizokuj> 4 30 in the morning here
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#935 [22:32] <Kaizokuj> So g'night, thanks for the help lol :p
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#939 [22:46] <kk> hello
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#945 [23:59] <Will_070> Hey Anyone know why after i portfowarded and had server going for a few days get on today and it runs and gets up but stays on polling