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#35 [04:40] <Sorinu> Hello
#36 [04:41] <Sorinu> Anybody here?
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#43 [05:09] <deathbyglitch> Ok. I'm going to describe a glitch that's happened to me (killed me) and I just want to make it known.
#44 [05:10] <deathbyglitch> When walking over a fence post that is surrounded by blocks, there is a chance that you fall between the post below and one of the blocks it's connected to.
#45 [05:10] <rev-lemon> so you fall between the blocks on the fence ?
#46 [05:11] <deathbyglitch> this suffocates you with no way to escape.
#47 [05:11] <deathbyglitch> yeah, the blocks next to the fence
#48 [05:11] <deathbyglitch> unless you happen to be holding an axe in the hotbar, you're dead
#49 [05:11] <rev-lemon> odd, well twitt it, or if you can make a vid of it, just make sure you can do it again
#50 [05:12] <deathbyglitch> yep. i've replicated it 3 times after the fact
#51 [05:12] <rev-lemon> you got a youtube account ?
#52 [05:13] <deathbyglitch> well, let's see if I can whip something up real quick...
#53 [05:13] <rev-lemon> just make it a good vid that everyone will get to know about it
#54 [05:14] <deathbyglitch> i was just gonna make a quicky for you. it may not be the BEST
#55 [05:15] <rev-lemon> im not asking for the best and not for me im asking that you just make it known
#56 [05:16] <deathbyglitch> right. if you feel inclined to do so, could you find out if it's already known? don't want to waste my time
#57 [05:17] <rev-lemon> let me see what i can dig up
#58 [05:17] <deathbyglitch> thanks!
#59 [05:19] <rev-lemon> ok well there are fence glitches but not like your talking about the one thats shown in videos are more or less invisible fences
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#65 [05:42] <TheNoodle> !kick PenisSujo lolnope.
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#67 [05:42] <mitch_> Hahaha.
#68 [05:43] <Wug> TheNoodle: :<
#69 [05:43] <mitch_> how did you know?
#70 [05:43] <Wug> I was waiting for him to ask
#71 [05:43] <Wug> he was in #risucraft too
#72 [05:43] <mitch_> ^
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#74 [05:43] <TheNoodle> and #freeBNC
#75 [05:43] <mitch_> He likes his porn
#76 [05:43] <SmallDeadGuy> Heh
#77 [05:43] <mitch_> I'm unsure who would follow a link to imgur for a bug report though
#78 [05:43] <mitch_> I'm unsure who would follow a link to imgur for a bug report though
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#80 [05:47] <SinZ> Wug: he just got klined
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#83 [05:47] <Wug> akilled probably
#84 [05:47] <Wug> inb4 xales
#85 [05:48] <mitch_> Ahahaha.
#86 [05:48] <mitch_> We should've recommended he link it to dragonweyr.
#87 [05:48] <mitch_> Wouldve saved time on network ban
#88 [05:48] <TheNoodle> pfft, 3 of us were already there
#89 [05:48] <Wug> as funny as that would have been
#90 [05:49] <mitch_> It'd be AWESOME
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#92 [05:50] <flabbergaster> hello, since today i cant connect to my server and even no other players are able to connect.
#93 [05:50] <flabbergaster> within shell / console i get this error: (server) http://pastebin.com/hwWuHNBb
#94 [05:51] <flabbergaster> whats going wrong there? we changed nothing on the server / we tryd to stop/start it again and so on, but no player is able to connect anymore
#95 [05:51] <Wug> looks like minecraft.net might be having issues
#96 [05:51] <Wug> wait a while and see if it goes away by itself
#97 [05:52] <Wug> if it is something on minecraft.net's side there wont be much you can do
#98 [05:52] <deathbyglitch> k. lemon, here's the vid. http://youtu.be/9WuJbP-L_dg
#99 [05:53] <lemon-rev> ty
#100 [05:53] <flabbergaster> but then each server would be not able to let players connect?
#101 [05:54] <flabbergaster> is there a global issue and no one is able to join servers atm?
#102 [05:54] <Wug> flabbergaster: potentially
#103 [05:54] <flabbergaster> sad
#104 [05:58] <deathbyglitch> alright, so what do y'all think about this glitch?
#105 [05:58] <mitch_> Hmmm
#106 [05:58] <lemon-rev> pritty sad when you look at it, i just hope it takes up with other mc gamers and gets brought to someone elses attention
#107 [05:58] <deathbyglitch> i was very... well, I had to take a break because this very thing killed me
#108 [05:59] <deathbyglitch> i had so many diamonds, records... :(
#109 [05:59] <mitch_> Its an... INTERESTING glitch
#110 [05:59] <mitch_> It for 1.2.5?
#111 [06:00] <deathbyglitch> indeed. just recorded, latest version.
#112 [06:01] <deathbyglitch> you think it's sad? why that adjective?
#113 [06:02] <mitch_> I'm just wondering what could possibly cause that :L
#114 [06:02] <mitch_> Or who would accidentally encounter it :L
#115 [06:02] <deathbyglitch> aaanyway, i wanted to share my frustration.
#116 [06:02] <deathbyglitch> i can tell you EXACTLY where you'd encouter this
#117 [06:02] <mitch_> Seems non-existant on 1.2.3 :L
#118 [06:02] <mitch_> Seems non-existant on 1.2.3 :L
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#120 [06:02] <mitch_> Must be accidental due to recent bug fixes
#121 [06:03] <deathbyglitch> i was in an abandoned mine shaft. there was a fence post setup just how I did it there. walked over it and BOOM.
#122 [06:04] <deathbyglitch> i didn't have to do what i did in the video, walking on and off a few times.
#123 [06:04] <deathbyglitch> it just happened
#124 [06:04] <mitch_> Lets just call it a "realistic feature" and leave it at that
#125 [06:04] <deathbyglitch> hrm
#126 [06:04] <deathbyglitch> i hope not
#127 [06:04] <mitch_> Because I mean, its a fencepost. If you attempt to stand on it, you're most likely going to trip and fall down next to it
#128 [06:05] <deathbyglitch> lol
#129 [06:05] <deathbyglitch> yeah but I WANT IT DEAD
#130 [06:05] <deathbyglitch> BURN IT! SEND IT TO HELL!
#131 [06:05] <mitch_> Step 1) Learn Java. Step 2) Fix it yourself :L
#132 [06:05] <mitch_> Step 3) Realise its already been patches
#133 [06:06] <deathbyglitch> oh come on now. :P
#134 [06:06] <deathbyglitch> i do hope this gets fixed. that's why i came here!
#135 [06:06] <mitch_> Thats how it generally works it seems
#136 [06:08] <deathbyglitch> realizing something's already been patched? yeah, well, i wanted this bug to be known because it really pissed me off. so i guess you know it now, and maybe someone else will too, and then it will get fixed...
#137 [06:09] <deathbyglitch> whatever. I did what I came here to do
#138 [06:09] <deathbyglitch> thanks for listening and watching
#139 [06:10] <deathbyglitch> also, why would you suffocate when you fall off a fence? that's retarded
#140 [06:11] <deathbyglitch> you and your "logic" and "realistic features"
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#145 [06:30] <shark> Hello
#146 [06:30] <shark> I have problem to login in all servers
#147 [06:30] <linc> hi, I cant connect to any SMP server I try. The error I get is mostly "end of stream".. what gives? :/
#148 [06:30] <shark> yeah same at me
#149 [06:30] <shark> much people have that problem
#150 [06:31] <shark> i have restartet our server
#151 [06:31] <linc> it worked fine for me yesterday though, so the problem is new
#152 [06:31] <shark> yeah
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#154 [06:32] <shark> I have minecraft 1.2.4
#155 [06:32] <dk112> hello i have a problem with my game, i cant login to any server now and i have no idea why
#156 [06:32] <linc> i have 1.2.5
#157 [06:33] <mitch_> Hmmm
#158 [06:33] <dk112> i woke up this morning and login doesnt work with the 1.2.5 jar (havent tried 1.2.4 jar)
#159 [06:33] <mitch_> Same problem as the last guy then...
#160 [06:33] <linc> :)
#161 [06:33] <shark> :(
#162 [06:33] <dk112> i had some problems yesterday but it wasnt that bad
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#164 [06:34] <shark> has anyone an idea?
#165 [06:34] <[z]> Login server is basically dead
#166 [06:34] <mitch_> Eh I only seem to be getting a few connection errors on my server list...
#167 [06:34] <mitch_> Seems strange
#168 [06:34] <dk112> but other people do login.. i saw that on the dynamic maps
#169 [06:35] <[z]> Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't
#170 [06:35] <shark> same here
#171 [06:35] <shark> 12:35:30 [INFORMATION] Disconnecting /79.242.0.166:51215: Took too long to log in 12:35:30 [INFORMATION] Read timed out 12:35:32 [INFORMATION] Disconnecting /78.49.142.121:51508: Took too long to log in
#172 [06:35] <shark> from our console
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#174 [06:36] <shark> but server is running
#175 [06:36] <linc> http://session.minecraft.net/game/joinserver..jsp?user=<username> responds with 500
#176 [06:36] <dk112> -returned HTTP response code:500 for url http://session.minecraft.net/game/joinserver.jsp?user=(my name)&sessionId= (a bunch of numbers)
#177 [06:36] <shark> i have code 504
#178 [06:37] <linc> now it worked :p
#179 [06:37] <shark> doesn´t work
#180 [06:38] <dk112> no it doesnt..
#181 [06:38] <shark> but concole is ok
#182 [06:38] <dk112> is there any staff member that can answer here?
#183 [06:38] <dk112> what is the twitter of the guy incharge on the servers?
#184 [06:38] <Morrolan> mollstam
#185 [06:39] <Morrolan> But really, if the servers are down then you'll just have to wait for them to get back on.
#186 [06:39] <Morrolan> Most likely they're just overloaded once more.
#187 [06:39] <shark> 12:38:46 [SCHWERWIEGEND] java.io.IOException: Server returned HTTP response code: 504 for URL: http://session.minecraft.net/game/checkserver.jsp?user=Hurni97&serverId=663fed0e06505ff9
#188 [06:39] <shark> last
#189 [06:39] <shark> anyone an idea?
#190 [06:39] <Morrolan> Server is overloaded, plain and simple.
#191 [06:40] <[z]> Just wait, it's all you can do
#192 [06:40] <dk112> lol look at his last tweet "Leaving a week for Jordan tomorrow. Take care Internet!"
#193 [06:40] <shark> server isn´t overloaded
#194 [06:40] <Morrolan> shark - The _login_ server.
#195 [06:40] <[z]> Not yours, the login server
#196 [06:40] <Morrolan> dk112 - Heh.
#197 [06:40] <shark> ahh ok
#198 [06:41] <[z]> It starts getting unreliable, so people can't connect, which means they keep hammering it trying to connect, which makes it even less reliable...
#199 [06:41] <[z]> This kind of thing happens every few months or so at least
#200 [06:42] <Morrolan> There's a fancy Vox command to edit the topic, but can't recall that one.. P
#201 [06:42] <shark> yeah now I in :)
#202 [06:42] <shark> Im
#203 [06:42] <Morrolan> And yea, has been quite a long time since the last downtime/overload of the login server.
#204 [06:43] <dk112> bring back the good old days..
#205 [06:44] <Morrolan> Where the login server went down after every minor update? Thanks, I don't miss these days.
#206 [06:44] <dk112> when minecraft servers crashed every weekends..
#207 [06:44] <Morrolan> ^^
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#209 [06:46] <dk112> manage to get hold of a server :p
#210 [06:47] <Morrolan> Just don't stumble across your ethernet cable now, or you'll have to go through all that hassle again. :P
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#215 [06:56] <Kakeru> Okay so
#216 [06:56] <Kakeru> Why the hell can't I log into servers?
#217 [06:57] <Kakeru> It comes up with a load of HTTP bullshit like "error code 500 cannot connect to url" or some shit.
#218 [06:57] <[z]> read topic
#219 [06:57] * Morrolan points at the /topic
#219 [06:58] <Kakeru> Thanks for that
#220 [06:58] <Kakeru> Maybe if it wasn't so long I'd notice it more
#221 [06:58] <Kakeru> Maybe if it wasn't so long I'd notice it more
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#223 [06:59] <Morrolan> !help
#224 [07:00] <Morrolan> Wrong bot. ^^
#225 [07:00] <Morrolan> Oh well.
#226 [07:01] <[z]> !login
#227 [07:01] <Morrolan> !motd
#228 [07:01] <Morrolan> Ah.
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#230 [07:02] <Avy|Mobile|Gone> ah - unreliable - that explains
#231 [07:03] <Wug> WEEWOO WEEWOO WE HAVE A SITUATION
#232 [07:03] <Wug> A USER READ THE TOPIC WITHOUT BEING ASKED TO
#233 [07:04] <[z]> Yes, unheard of
#234 [07:04] <Morrolan> And the length of the topic didn't scare him off. D:
#235 [07:04] <[z]> "whats a topic"
#236 [07:04] <Morrolan> This channel is Morrolan - stained now, there's only one way.. "/cs clear"
#237 [07:05] <Morrolan> Err, pretend the "Morrolan" in there didn't exist.
#238 [07:05] <Morrolan> Must have hit tab accidentally.
#239 [07:05] <Wug> I dont have +R
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#243 [07:17] <Gipfel> hi minecraft server are down?
#244 [07:17] <mitch_> Think so
#245 [07:17] <Gipfel> we cant connect to any server
#246 [07:17] <mitch_> This is the 3rd case i've seen in my short stay here :D
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#248 [07:17] <jaqwith> hi here too
#249 [07:17] * qwerty123 [qwerty123@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#250 [07:17] <jaqwith> see http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1148884-cant-log-onto-servers-as-of-1100-on-08042012/page__pid__14082951
#251 [07:18] <qwerty123> Hey guys, I was wondering if anyone was willing to help me set uo my permissions using PermissionsEx and ModifyWorld. I am starting up a new server and would need someone who is advance at permissions.
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#254 [07:22] <ferminter> i need help
#255 [07:22] <mitch_> Yes?
#256 [07:22] <Boreeas> !login
#257 [07:22] <ferminter> when i want to join a server it gives an error
#258 [07:23] <ferminter> !login
#259 [07:23] <mitch_> It seems to do that often, apparently.
#260 [07:23] <mitch_> !login
#261 [07:23] <Boreeas> ferminter: What error do you get, exactly?
#262 [07:23] <mitch_> :D
#263 [07:23] <Wug> the login server is ok, but the smp session server is derped
#264 [07:23] <Boreeas> Ah
#265 [07:23] <Wug> connecting to smp servers will be flaky for a while
#266 [07:23] <mitch_> Indeed
#267 [07:23] <Wug> mollstam:
#268 [07:23] * mitch_ can still connect to a few of his servers :L
#268 [07:23] <ferminter> it says unexpected end of file from server
#269 [07:23] <Wug> smp is borked please fix
#270 [07:24] <ferminter> which servers work?
#271 [07:24] <Gipfel> it works now
#272 [07:24] <Wug> ferminter: its something on minecraft.net's side
#273 [07:25] <ferminter> this is really weird
#274 [07:26] <ferminter> it just says the whole time logging in...
#275 [07:27] <ferminter> and when it stops it says unexpected end of file from server
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#277 [07:29] <jaqwith> worked here this moment
#278 [07:29] <ferminter> it says internal client error
#279 [07:29] <ferminter> does not work here
#280 [07:30] <Wug> its more or less random
#281 [07:30] <asda> minecraft login servers seem overloaded i think you will need to wait
#282 [07:30] <ferminter> it works!!!
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#285 [07:32] <libraryaddict> Is there a specific reason Im getting long server login times and stuff like 2012-04-08 23:29:39 [SEVERE] java.io.IOException: Server returned HTTP response
#286 [07:32] <libraryaddict> code: 504 for URL: http://session.minecraft.net/game/joinserver.jsp?user=library
#287 [07:32] <libraryaddict> addict&sessionId=8962640333960954647&serverId=6755e7837db3bb3e
#288 [07:32] <Wug> libraryaddict: y u no read topic
#289 [07:32] <_303> eep. if someone were malicious they could use your account now
#290 [07:32] <libraryaddict> Because the topic wasnt standoutable :D
#291 [07:32] <libraryaddict> Not really. That would expire the minute I tried to login again wouldnt it
#292 [07:33] <libraryaddict> Well. Relogin into the game. Not server
#293 [07:33] <Boreeas> Too late :)
#294 [07:33] <libraryaddict> -_-
#295 [07:34] * Wug logs in as libraryaddict and burns down the entire internet
#295 [07:34] <libraryaddict> Damn
#296 [07:34] <libraryaddict> I guess you hacked my account too
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#303 [07:44] <FynnR> Login Servers are Down! Why?
#304 [07:44] <Wug> happens every so often
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#310 [07:59] <Mattz0r> Hey, does anyone know if there is an issue with session.minecraft.net?
#311 [08:00] <robbo600> Read the topic...
#312 [08:01] <robbo600> http://twitter.com/#!/jeb_
#313 [08:01] <Mattz0r> ah ha
#314 [08:02] <Mattz0r> Awesome. Just proving to my customers there's nothing i can do :P
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#316 [08:21] <MC> How do I list the users in a current server? For example I go onto my friend's server and I know that only he is there.
#317 [08:21] <MC> But I need to know for sure if he's there or not.
#318 [08:21] <MC> I could do the old /tp me friend trick but is there not some list function?
#319 [08:21] <robbo600> Looks to be better now, Have two users back on.
#320 [08:22] <Morrolan> MC - Pressing Tab shows a playerlist.
#321 [08:22] <Morrolan> Then there is also "/list" which'll give you a list.
#322 [08:22] <MC> Very neat, thank you.
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#324 [08:22] <Morrolan> Though I'm not sure whether you can use "/list" in a Vanilla server without being op. :S
#325 [08:23] <MC> Hehehee.
#326 [08:24] <MC> No problem.
#327 [08:24] <MC> :)
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#336 [09:44] <Bruster> Hey guys, I looked around the minecraft website and forums, but I couldn't find any information on backdating a client, or "downgrading" to the version previous, for example, downgrading from 1.2.5 to 1.2.4 for compatiblity reasons, and I was woundering if that was possible or not. :) If not, it's no biggie either, I was just curious. :)
#337 [09:44] <oldtopman> It's not legal.
#338 [09:45] <oldtopman> Notch does not want redistribution of older files, and that's what you'd need to downgrade.
#339 [09:45] <Bruster> Oh, okay. :) That's fine.
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#341 [09:45] <Bruster> Thanks very much for the help.
#342 [09:46] <oldtopman> no prob
#343 [09:46] <oldtopman> no prob
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#347 [09:59] <NinjaKirby> I'm trying to design a "basic" 3-button combination lock, I'm approching it with one-bit memory cells, can anyone comment on the efficiency/stupidity of this approach? (i.e. amidoinitrite?)
#348 [10:02] <NinjaKirby> I can imagine there is probably several ways of doing it, it's just this is the lengthier/more convoluted way
#349 [10:05] <Morrolan> I'd "hardcode" it with AND and NOT gates, but that'd be silly. I'm sure your approach is more intelligent.
#350 [10:07] <NinjaKirby> I guess you could say this about any circuit, but that's technically all mine would be, since the memory cells are just two Invertors joined in a circle XD
#351 [10:07] <NinjaKirby> I'll give it a try, see how I fair
#352 [10:34] <NinjaKirby> Okay, it's kinda going okay ^^;; Thank god I'm only doing 3 buttons
#353 [10:46] <Boreeas> And then the griefer comes and mines straight though the wall
#354 [10:51] <NinjaKirby> saywut
#355 [10:52] <NinjaKirby> 3 button pushes, and it's flawless... so far -_-
#356 [11:06] <NinjaKirby> Okay, this is fukken hard
#357 [11:22] <NinjaKirby> Why is something so simple, so difficult to comprehend on even a remotely larger scale
#358 [11:25] <Morrolan> Seems login servers have been fine again for quite some time now.
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#375 [12:28] <yammerhant> Hello, I'm trying to buy Minecraft, but when I try using my card it says it "could not complete the transaction" and when I try PayPal it just crashes the browser completely. Any help?
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#377 [12:31] <nyxmehr> Hey, i've got a problem with registering, i had a fault in the spelling of my mail adress and now, as i wanted to try it again, but with the right adress, it says that the username is already in use, how can i get this name?
#378 [12:31] <nyxmehr> And sorry for my english but i'm german
#379 [12:33] <GreyVulpine> nyxmehr - You may need to contact Mojang directly to get the email fixed.
#380 [12:33] <GreyVulpine> Use: http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/emails/new
#381 [12:34] <nyxmehr> Thank you ;)
#382 [12:36] <langkid1> Look out, I just directed some derp from #esper to here
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#384 [12:38] <Ryoka> can you help me to see if my server is connectable- 81.132.206.68 thanks
#385 [12:38] <GreyVulpine> !check 81.132.206.68
#386 [12:39] <GreyVulpine> It is currently not.
#387 [12:39] <yammerhant> Does anyone have any idea why minecraft.net would be acting like that when I try to buy the game...?
#388 [12:40] <GreyVulpine> yammerhant - Could you try a different browser?
#389 [12:40] <GreyVulpine> Paypal shouldn't be crashing your browser.
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#393 [13:10] <yammerhant> Thanks. And yes, PayPal was just lagging it a bit. I tried paying by credit card, by debit card, and by PayPal on both Firefox and Google Chrome, and all methods were refused.
#394 [13:14] <yammerhant> For credit and debit cards, it gave this message: "We were unable to deduct 26.95 USD from your credit/debit card because the transaction was declined by your card issuing bank."
#395 [13:14] <yammerhant> For PayPal, it gave this: "This payment cannot be completed and your account has not been charged. Please contact your merchant for more information. We are not able to process your payment using your PayPal account at this time. Please return to the merchant's website and try using a different payment method (if available)."
#396 [13:16] <yammerhant> I thought maybe the PayPal problem could be because of the account does not tie directly to my bank account, based on what I've read on the forums, so my wife offered to try hers, which is connected. Both failed with the same message.
#397 [13:16] <GreyVulpine> yammerhant - This usually means that the payment was being blocked/declined by your bank. We usually see this happening because:
#398 [13:16] <GreyVulpine> :payment/stopped
#399 [13:16] <GreyVulpine> Oh, bot's dead, one moment
#400 [13:17] <yammerhant> No problem.
#401 [13:17] <yammerhant> And thank you for your help in the matter.
#402 [13:18] <GreyVulpine> Since Mojang is based in Sweden, almost all payments done for minecraft are considered international payments. Many banks have automatic anti-fraud rules in place to help the customer in preventing their money going overseas. You'll need to call up your bank or financial institution to see if your bank is doing this.
#403 [13:22] <yammerhant> Ok, trying another computer first, just in case it is a computer security thing like my wife suspects, then I will try that. Thank you, sir!
#404 [13:22] <Dan> yammerhant, its not computer security, its your bank
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#406 [13:29] <Kentha> hallo
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#418 [14:17] <mib_h5mla9> i paid for minecraft but did not recive it
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#424 [14:31] <fautzo> okay i have a problem
#425 [14:31] <fautzo> I totally bought minecraft
#426 [14:31] <fautzo> I totally bought minecraft
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#428 [14:31] <fautzo> yet it says I didnt
#429 [14:31] <fautzo> never sent me a confirmation
#430 [14:32] <fautzo> I tried a bunch of times with another card first but it said none of those worked, i tried it with a second card and it worked
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#432 [14:33] <fautzo> anyways, i am not premium, but this morning i got a call from my bank asking me to confirm a ton of minecraft purchases!
#433 [14:33] <fautzo> despite the fact that i still cannot even log into the game
#434 [14:33] <Morrolan> Sounds like your bank blocked your payment(s) due to fraud prevention.
#435 [14:33] <Morrolan> Just confirm one of these various payments, and give Moneybookers a day or two to process it.
#436 [14:33] <fautzo> what the christ
#437 [14:33] <fautzo> i accidently confirmed it twice. fuck.
#438 [14:33] * AuBot kicked fautzo from #minecrafthelp (Reason: autzo :Please keep it civil.)
#439 [14:34] <Boreeas> Woops
#440 [14:34] <Boreeas> :P
#441 [14:34] <Morrolan> ^.^
#442 [14:34] <Morrolan> AuBot, teaching people manners in 2012
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#444 [14:35] <fautzo> well I got kicked
#445 [14:35] <fautzo> sorry
#446 [14:35] <Morrolan> That's our bot, no worries. ;)
#447 [14:35] <fautzo> but yea I accidnetly confirmed it twice
#448 [14:35] <fautzo> aghhhhh
#449 [14:35] <Morrolan> Worst case you can just dispute one of those payments.
#450 [14:36] <Morrolan> But depending on how Mojang handles payments it won't even let you pay twice, so chances are one of them will get refused anyway.
#451 [14:36] <fautzo> i dont even think it went through though because its not showing up
#452 [14:36] <fautzo> on my payment list thing
#453 [14:36] <fautzo> and its been like half an hour
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#455 [14:37] <Morrolan> How exactly did you pay, actually? Credit card?
#456 [14:37] <fautzo> yea
#457 [14:37] <Morrolan> Since for example the payment history of my credit card updates only once a day IIRC.
#458 [14:37] <fautzo> hmmmmm
#459 [14:38] <Morrolan> But you could call your credit card provider and ask them whether said payment got blocked or whether it got through now.
#460 [14:38] <fautzo> well thats good but its still kinda weird that its not showing me as premium but apparently that takes an hour
#461 [14:38] <Morrolan> Yea, Moneybooker's and Mojang's payment processing takes a while usually.
#462 [14:39] <Morrolan> For some people it even took a day or more. *shrug*
#463 [14:39] <Morrolan> Don't ask me where it gets delayed.
#464 [14:39] <fautzo> i dont really have time to do that right now I have work in like 20 minutes but thanks anyways
#465 [14:39] <Morrolan> Okay. Suggest you just check again when you're home then.
#466 [14:39] <fautzo> well it sounds like i'm fine but i'll check tomorrow/call if I get a million mojang purchases
#467 [14:39] <fautzo> but yea thanks man
#468 [14:40] <Morrolan> Sure thing. :)
#469 [14:40] <Morrolan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJxj1mou03M&feature=player_embedded#! ^.^
#470 [14:41] <Morrolan> Love how they make fun of the movie industry.
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#473 [14:49] <Sakura_Solo> Hey all, got an issue. My server is working great, but I have ONE friend who can't connect. What can I do?
#474 [14:50] <Morrolan> What's the error he gets when trying to connect?
#475 [14:50] <Sakura_Solo> Timed out.
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#477 [14:50] <LesTaRaTe> Hello
#478 [14:50] <Morrolan> Apart from that, if it happens to one person only then it is most likely an issue on his side. The one thing you could try is, to remove his player.dat file from the worldfolder, if there is one.
#479 [14:50] <Calinou> Sakura_Solo, port forwarded?
#480 [14:51] <Sakura_Solo> Yup. Port forwarded.
#481 [14:51] <Calinou> does his firewall allow connecting to your server?
#482 [14:51] <LesTaRaTe> My login launcher bugged this week...It no longer shows news and i cant login to minecraft.net
#483 [14:51] <Calinou> Sakura_Solo, also, can other players connect?
#484 [14:51] <Sakura_Solo> Yup, they can.
#485 [14:51] <GreyVulpine> LesTaRaTe - You installed java 7, yes?
#486 [14:51] <Calinou> using bukkit or vanilla (non-modified) server?
#487 [14:51] <Sakura_Solo> And she overrode the firewall.
#488 [14:51] <LesTaRaTe> I think i have
#489 [14:52] <GreyVulpine> LesTaRaTe - Java 7's been known to do this. Uninstall it
#490 [14:52] <Sakura_Solo> Vanilla
#491 [14:52] <GreyVulpine> LesTaRaTe - Use java 6 instead.
#492 [14:52] <Calinou> try disabling the software firewall. on windows it's in control panel of course
#493 [14:52] <LesTaRaTe> Let me check then please
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#495 [14:52] <Sakura_Solo> 66.169.61.237:1234
#496 [14:52] <GreyVulpine> !check 66.169.61.237:1234
#497 [14:52] <LesTaRaTe> Nope im using java6
#498 [14:53] <GreyVulpine> LesTaRaTe - Do you have java 7 installed anywhere on the computer?
#499 [14:53] <LesTaRaTe> Nope.
#500 [14:53] <Sakura_Solo> Yup.
#501 [14:53] <GreyVulpine> Sakura_Solo - Works fine here. Try Morrolan's suggestion of deleting the player.dat file from the world folder
#502 [14:53] <GreyVulpine> LesTaRaTe - How are you checking, exactly?
#503 [14:54] <LesTaRaTe> using the Java folder on my PC
#504 [14:54] <LesTaRaTe> its jre6
#505 [14:54] <LesTaRaTe> Also my Java in the CP shows Java 6
#506 [14:55] <GreyVulpine> LesTaRaTe - Windows?
#507 [14:55] <LesTaRaTe> Yes.
#508 [14:55] <GreyVulpine> LesTaRaTe - Please check add/remove programs or Programs and features.
#509 [14:55] <LesTaRaTe> What for?
#510 [14:55] <GreyVulpine> I just want to make absolutely sure java 7 is not installed.
#511 [14:55] <LesTaRaTe> No Java 7
#512 [14:55] <Sakura_Solo> Mmkay, gimme a second and lemme try that.
#513 [14:55] <GreyVulpine> Otherwise, this is a firewall issue.
#514 [14:55] <LesTaRaTe> Java 6 Update 31
#515 [14:56] <LesTaRaTe> No firewall settings changed on the PC nor router in the past week
#516 [14:56] <GreyVulpine> What do you get in place of the news?
#517 [14:56] <LesTaRaTe> <html><body><font color="#808080"><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><center>Failed to update news<br>java.net.UnknownHostException: mcupdate.tumblr.com</center></font></body></html>
#518 [14:56] <LesTaRaTe> Fail to update message
#519 [14:56] <GreyVulpine> LesTaRaTe - Please open up a command prompt window, do "ping mcupdate.tumblr.com"
#520 [14:56] <GreyVulpine> Tell me what ip address you get
#521 [14:57] <LesTaRaTe> Also minecraft.net is not loading in my browser
#522 [14:57] <GreyVulpine> Oh..
#523 [14:57] <GreyVulpine> Also do "Ping minecraft.net" for me as well, in the command prompt window
#524 [14:57] <LesTaRaTe> URL not found error
#525 [14:57] <LesTaRaTe> minecraft.net returns ping
#526 [14:57] <GreyVulpine> What ip address?
#527 [14:57] <LesTaRaTe> 50.16.203.217
#528 [14:58] <GreyVulpine> That's... the right ip address...
#529 [14:58] <LesTaRaTe> I already checked the hosts file on my pC
#530 [14:58] <LesTaRaTe> nothing has been changed about it so i know its the right xD
#531 [14:59] <GreyVulpine> "ping mcupdate.tumblr.com" doesn't return any ip?
#532 [14:59] <GreyVulpine> It doesn't resolve?
#533 [14:59] <LesTaRaTe> URL not found
#534 [14:59] <LesTaRaTe> Check name and try again
#535 [14:59] <GreyVulpine> recheck you're putting it in correctly?
#536 [14:59] <LesTaRaTe> 3 times...
#537 [15:00] <LesTaRaTe> Oh and im using minecraft 1.2.4 if it matters
#538 [15:00] <LesTaRaTe> Couldnt update to 1.2.5 since this bug...
#539 [15:01] * GreyVulpine ponders.
#539 [15:02] <LesTaRaTe> I did everything i know about the game and believe me its a LOT xD
#540 [15:02] <LesTaRaTe> Still cant fix it...
#541 [15:02] <GreyVulpine> Completely removed the launcher and re-downloaded it? Did a "Force Update" through the options menu of the launcher?
#542 [15:02] <LesTaRaTe> I cant redownload
#543 [15:02] <LesTaRaTe> It doesnt open minecraft.net
#544 [15:02] <GreyVulpine> Try http://50.16.203.217
#545 [15:03] <LesTaRaTe> I did force update but it will not update if its in offline mode
#546 [15:03] <Morrolan> It what? oO
#547 [15:03] <Morrolan> You can resolve minecraft.net when pinging it but not in your browser?
#548 [15:03] <LesTaRaTe> Firefox can't find the server at www.minecraft.net.
#549 [15:03] <LesTaRaTe> Yep
#550 [15:03] <GreyVulpine> What in the...
#551 [15:03] <LesTaRaTe> The webpage at http://www.minecraft.net/ might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address.
#552 [15:03] <LesTaRaTe> Google Chrome and Firefox
#553 [15:03] <Morrolan> Unless their webserver is on the cloud and the rest is not / vice versa, GreyVulpine?
#554 [15:04] <Morrolan> E.g. www.minecraft.net not pointing to the same IP as minecraft.net
#555 [15:04] <GreyVulpine> It should all be on the cloud, save the news feed
#556 [15:04] <LesTaRaTe> for this to happen my hosts file has to be touched
#557 [15:04] <Morrolan> Hmm.
#558 [15:04] <LesTaRaTe> to change the IP im forwarded to
#559 [15:04] <Morrolan> What if you're putting the IP into the browser directly?
#560 [15:04] <GreyVulpine> And you said your hosts file was clean?
#561 [15:04] <LesTaRaTe> Same thing
#562 [15:05] <LesTaRaTe> my hosts file contains only my local IP
#563 [15:05] <LesTaRaTe> and nothing more
#564 [15:05] <Morrolan> Putting the IP into the browser brings a "website down" message as well? Err, cleared your cache?
#565 [15:05] <LesTaRaTe> are you kidding with me...
#566 [15:05] <LesTaRaTe> first thing i did was clear cache :D
#567 [15:05] <Morrolan> Okay. ;)
#568 [15:06] <LesTaRaTe> Please help :D
#569 [15:07] <LesTaRaTe> brb gonna restart router
#570 [15:08] <Morrolan> ^ does not appear bright, even before I heard him speak.
#571 [15:09] <Morrolan> Due to not knowing the difference between "then" and "than". :)
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#573 [15:09] <Demons> oh god it works now -_-
#574 [15:10] <Morrolan> Heh.
#575 [15:10] <Demons> I dont know why...
#576 [15:10] <Demons> This is problematic
#577 [15:10] <GreyVulpine> Router's DNS table screwed up?
#578 [15:10] <Demons> no way...
#579 [15:10] <GreyVulpine> It happens.
#580 [15:11] <Demons> router is provider`sided
#581 [15:11] <Demons> 2 DNS servers used
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#583 [15:12] <Demons> I had to crack my rotuer`s password in order to get access to it
#584 [15:12] <Demons> Why Am i banned on channel minecraft.net ...
#585 [15:13] <GreyVulpine> You need to register your nickname to talk
#586 [15:13] <GreyVulpine> /ns register password email
#587 [15:13] <Demons> i did...
#588 [15:13] <Demons> It says im banned :D
#589 [15:13] <GreyVulpine> Did you finish up with the directions from the email?
#590 [15:13] <GreyVulpine> You haven't finished registration
#591 [15:13] <Demons> * LesTaRaTe #minecraft :Cannot change nickname while banned on channel
#592 [15:13] <Demons> I did finish it...
#593 [15:14] <Morrolan> Then you haven't identfied yet.
#594 [15:14] <Morrolan> "/ns identify <nickname> <password>"
#595 [15:14] <Demons> my client does it on start :D
#596 [15:14] <Demons> but let me reload it
#597 [15:14] * GreyVulpine facepalms
#597 [15:14] <Morrolan> Or leave #minecraft, switch to your regular nickname and use just "/ns identify <password>"
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#599 [15:14] <LesTaRaTe> oh yea it works now....
#600 [15:14] <Morrolan> The issue is, that your current nickname is not the one with which you registered with.
#601 [15:15] <LesTaRaTe> problem found
#602 [15:15] <Morrolan> And your client most likely only did a "/ns identify <password>"
#603 [15:15] <LesTaRaTe> I was still in the chat
#604 [15:15] <LesTaRaTe> I specified the command
#605 [15:15] <Morrolan> And #minecraft's channel mode prevent you from switching your nick if unidentified. :)
#606 [15:15] <LesTaRaTe> to be like the server`s need
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#608 [15:16] <Jon30> i enabled allow-flight in my server. now i can't figure out how to fly. double space doesn't work... ?
#609 [15:16] <LesTaRaTe> Ok Thanks have a nice evening
#610 [15:16] <Calinou> #minecraft is bleh, anyway
#611 [15:16] <Calinou> ;P
#612 [15:16] <Calinou> Jon30, the "allow-flight" settng is particular
#613 [15:16] <LesTaRaTe> Fly hack...
#614 [15:16] <Calinou> first, having it disabled doesn't affect players in creative mode.
#615 [15:16] <GreyVulpine> allow-flight just turns off the auto-kick feature when a flight mod is detected by a player.
#616 [15:16] <GreyVulpine> allow-flight doesn't actually allow flight. You need to switch the gamemode of the player (/gamemode character 1) to creative
#617 [15:16] <Calinou> secondly, people can fly using mods (see the wiki). if flying is disallowed, they might get kicked (the detection is FAR from perfect)
#618 [15:17] <Calinou> if it's allowed, then those people can fly in an "unlimited" way
#619 [15:17] <LesTaRaTe> easiest will be always creative
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#629 [16:36] <Aster> Do you guys have any idea why I get a black screen when I click on login?
#630 [16:36] <Aster> I'm running Ubuntu, JDK7.
#631 [16:38] <Boreeas> Try using JDK 6, update 31
#632 [16:39] <Aster> Magic.
#633 [16:39] * Aster hugs Boreeas.
#633 [16:39] <Aster> Thanks! :D
#634 [16:40] <Boreeas> No problem
#635 [16:40] <Boreeas> :P
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#639 [16:41] <DreyTide> is anyone on who could help me with an issue with buying minecraft?
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#641 [16:44] <Morrolan> Aks your question and you shall see.
#642 [16:46] <DreyTide> I keep getting some error from they money books or whatever it's called, saying that the transaction is not allowed whenever I try to buy the game on my brother's account
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#644 [16:49] * Morrolan prods GreyVulpine
#644 [16:49] <DreyTide> so do I need a Skrill (Moneybookers) account to buy the game?
#645 [16:50] <Morrolan> Nah, theoretically you shouldn't.
#646 [16:50] <DreyTide> It even sas the same thing when I try to use paypal
#647 [16:50] <Morrolan> Strange. oO
#648 [16:51] <Morrolan> Wait, when you use PayPal? So you're trying to buy a giftcode?
#649 [16:51] <DreyTide> no
#650 [16:51] <DreyTide> I'm using a prepaid credit card
#651 [16:51] <Morrolan> Err, disregard, I mixed something up. :)
#652 [16:51] <DreyTide> I then tried to use paypal to buy the game on my brother's account
#653 [16:52] <DreyTide> it wouldn't work. So right now I'm trying to buy him a gift code with the creditcard on my account and it still won't work
#654 [16:53] <Morrolan> I see. :/
#655 [16:53] <Morrolan> Payments made with prepaid credit cards tend to get blocked by the credit card company, might be that this is the cause here too.
#656 [16:54] <Morrolan> Or maybe it's Moneybookers which doesn't like it, not really sure.
#657 [16:54] <DreyTide> the credit card worked 2 hours ago on another game site
#658 [16:54] <Morrolan> Suggest you stick around some more, maybe someone else has got a clue.
#659 [16:54] <Morrolan> Then it seems to be a Moneybookers-issue.
#660 [16:54] <DreyTide> or do you mean you may have to wait a certain time period before you use the card again?
#661 [16:55] <Morrolan> I'm not really familiar with the restrictions on credit cards, but it might be the case, yea.
#662 [16:56] <DreyTide> what the hell? Paypal took $2.00 off my card!
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#665 [17:09] <DreyTide> I'm trying to buy Minecraft for my brother with a prepaid creditcard and it keeps saying that it's not allowed. Anyone know what could cause this
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#667 [17:13] <Aster> And the guy PMs me too.
#668 [17:18] <Morrolan> Being near the top of the userlist does have some disadvantages, no doubt.
#669 [17:18] <Morrolan> DreyTide - Just wait here, someome might have a clue. PMing random people won't help much.
#670 [17:18] <Morrolan> Or even better, call your credit card company, they might know.
#671 [17:18] <DreyTide> i am
#672 [17:19] <DreyTide> they can fix the paypal thing
#673 [17:19] <Morrolan> Sounds good.
#674 [17:23] <DreyTide> one sec
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#676 [17:34] <DreyTide> wow
#677 [17:34] <DreyTide> this helps
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#679 [17:36] <DreyTide> this game is hard to buy
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#681 [17:42] <Morrolan> Yea, for some people it's quite a challenge.
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#683 [17:44] <DreyTide> hmm
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#686 [17:57] <DreyTide> and the call to paypal was cut off
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#688 [18:00] <DreyTide> FINIALLY!
#689 [18:02] <Morrolan> Sounds as if it worked. ^^
#690 [18:02] <DreyTide> yup
#691 [18:02] <Morrolan> Out of curiosity, whom did you have to call to get it working now?
#692 [18:03] <DreyTide> my original paypal account didn't have the same name as me
#693 [18:03] <DreyTide> so i closed it and made a new one
#694 [18:03] <Morrolan> Oh, I see.
#695 [18:03] <DreyTide> and it worked
#696 [18:03] <Morrolan> Good to know for the future, if someone else has a similar issue. :)
#697 [18:06] <DreyTide> yeah
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#701 [19:44] <Gurkenglas> How much output can a mobgrinder built around a single skeleton spawner have, in bones/time?
#702 [19:46] <DiskDaemon> mob spawners wait for anything from 200 to 800 ticks between each spawn, do the rate won't be very large at all
#703 [19:46] <DiskDaemon> s/do/so
#704 [19:48] <DiskDaemon> So that's 10 to 40 seconds between each spawned skeleton, averaging at 1 every 25 seconds.
#705 [19:48] <Wug> spawners can spawn in groups of up to 4
#706 [19:49] <Wug> if you make the open area around the spawner large, they will tend to spawn in larger groups
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#708 [19:49] <DiskDaemon> okay, so at most it's 4 mobs every 25 seconds
#709 [19:49] <Wug> I think 4 spaces on each side of the spawner and 3 above and below is optimal
#710 [19:50] <Gurkenglas> which average at one bone per skeleton, so 6.25 seconds per bone
#711 [19:51] <DiskDaemon> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Monster_Spawner#8x8x3_spawning_area
#712 [19:51] <NinjaKirby> I thought a spawner only scanned the level it's on, and one below and above.
#713 [19:51] <DiskDaemon> NinjaKirby: you're right
#714 [19:53] <Wug> remember you have to leave room for the mob's head
#715 [19:53] <Wug> if its head would be in the ceiling it wont spawn
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#717 [19:56] <NinjaKirby> I've had an instance where only a 1x1x2 space was available for a Spawner, and it still consistantly put a skelly in the hole.
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#719 [19:57] <NinjaKirby> So on that note, you could conceal a mob spawner just inside a completely solid wall, and have a constant respawn in a corridor.
#720 [19:57] <DiskDaemon> Vechs likes doing that with his maps
#721 [19:57] <Utworn> Let's see if I'm allowed to post something in here
#722 [19:57] <Wug> NinjaKirby: if it fails to spawn anything it will try repeatedly until it succeeds
#723 [19:57] <Utworn> ah, good
#724 [19:57] <NinjaKirby> Hmmmm
#725 [19:57] <Utworn> So, kind of having problems with minecraft stability
#726 [19:58] <Wug> which is why you will often immediately get something as soon as you remove a torch
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#728 [19:58] <NinjaKirby> Right, the spawners spun up, constantly scanning for a viable drop point
#729 [19:59] <Wug> that being said. a grinder that operates off of a spawner is slow, but if you leave yourself logged in youll collect a lot of crap
#730 [19:59] <Wug> theyre a pretty good deal
#731 [19:59] <Wug> that and large scale grinders are so freaking hard
#732 [19:59] <Utworn> anyone able to say something to this: game starts normally, world loads and generates normally, and within 3 minutes java se binary stops working which I guess results in my gpu driver crashing as well.
#733 [20:00] <NinjaKirby> And you'd have to build your base on top of the Structure to keep the spawners operating.
#734 [20:00] <Wug> Utworn: update the driver
#735 [20:00] <Utworn> Wug, done that ~4 times a row
#736 [20:00] <Utworn> *in a row
#737 [20:00] <Wug> NinjaKirby: my strategy is to put the collector close enough to trigger it and idle in the collector
#738 [20:00] <Wug> Utworn: do you have a 64 bit computer
#739 [20:00] <Utworn> aye
#740 [20:00] <Wug> do you have 64 bit java
#741 [20:01] <Utworn> and 64-bit version of java as well
#742 [20:01] <Wug> what graphics card do you have
#743 [20:01] <Utworn> would be radeon HD 6770M
#744 [20:01] <Utworn> (swtichable, configured to work in foxed mode)
#745 [20:01] <Utworn> *switchable
#746 [20:01] <Utworn> *fixed
#747 [20:01] <Utworn> sorry for my constant typos
#748 [20:01] <Wug> try twiddling with those settings
#749 [20:02] <Wug> also, verify that minecraft is using 64 bit java
#750 [20:02] <Wug> run it, open task manager
#751 [20:02] <Wug> look for javaw.exe, if it has (*32) its not 64 bit
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#753 [20:02] <Wug> if you're playing from a browser its probably 32 bit
#754 [20:03] <Utworn> no mentions on it being 32
#755 [20:03] <Utworn> and no such version of java installed onto this computer
#756 [20:04] <Wug> its probably a driver issue then
#757 [20:04] <Wug> where did you get the driver, from the laptop manufacturer's website?
#758 [20:05] <Utworn> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/softwareCategory?os=4063&lc=fi&cc=fi&dlc=fi&sw_lang=&product=5144844
#759 [20:05] <Utworn> from there
#760 [20:06] <Utworn> and to be more precise, http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/softwareDownloadIndex?softwareitem=ob-102011-1&cc=fi&dlc=fi&lc=fi&os=4063&product=5144844&sw_lang=
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#763 [20:07] <Wug> I'm not 100% sure but I think AMD has newer versions of the driver
#764 [20:07] <Wug> youre on win7 x64 correct
#765 [20:07] <Utworn> aye
#766 [20:08] <Utworn> (the amd website driver download-thingie always says it is not a supported version)
#767 [20:08] <Wug> you might be in trouble then
#768 [20:09] <Wug> you might either:
#769 [20:09] <Wug> 1. have to wait for a new version of the driver
#770 [20:09] <Wug> 2. have a hardware issue that's causing the crash
#771 [20:09] <Wug> 3. have overheating issues
#772 [20:10] <Wug> nothing you can do about 1 except wait for a new version, nothing you can do about 2 except try to get it replaced or something
#773 [20:10] <Wug> 3, you can grab speedfan and check if you're overheating during gameplay
#774 [20:10] <Utworn> number 3 is highly unlikely, i've gotten the gpu a lot hotter on other games without an issue
#775 [20:10] <Wug> other games dont crash though?
#776 [20:10] <Utworn> they won't
#777 [20:10] <Wug> sounds like its probably number one then
#778 [20:11] <Wug> hardware issues usually behave differently than your symptoms
#779 [20:11] <Utworn> :P
#780 [20:11] <Wug> you'd have weird flickery artifacts and stuff
#781 [20:12] <Wug> all games, not just minecraft
#782 [20:12] <Wug> you'd probably have overheating issues too
#783 [20:12] <Utworn> yeah, but this problem seems to be minecraft-specific
#784 [20:12] <Wug> minecraft is probably the only game you play that uses opengl, so its probably a driver problem
#785 [20:13] <Wug> amd's graphics cards do not exactly have a legacy of great drivers
#786 [20:13] <Utworn> shadowgrounds used opengl, i think
#787 [20:13] <Utworn> it runs without a problem though
#788 [20:14] <Utworn> trine did too, if I'm correct (I grabbed a humblebundle once, these came in that one)
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#792 [20:24] <Utworn> but anyway, thanks for the help
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#799 [20:54] <Velasa> Hi, I have a question about older versions of the games and new stuff
#800 [20:55] <GreyVulpine> Ask away
#801 [20:55] <Velasa> I've been running around since alpha and traveled a fair amount then, and since they've been adding stuff I've been looking fotr it but.. haven't found it
#802 [20:55] <Velasa> namely, jungles, fortresses, and villages
#803 [20:56] <Velasa> vill I be able to dig up those things, or because I started too long ago they're not going to be there?
#804 [20:56] <Velasa> I'm really not sure
#805 [20:56] <Velasa> I've spent days hunting for jungles especially, and nothing
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#807 [20:58] <Wug> are you using 1.2.5
#808 [20:59] <GreyVulpine> With maps, chunks that are already generated with older versions' map generators do not change. The map generator will only generate new terrain features/biomes on the edges of your existing world.
#809 [20:59] <Velasa> I just updated a few minutes ago, but I;ve been looking since they introcduced ocelots
#810 [20:59] <Velasa> ok, so I need to range really far
#811 [20:59] <Wug> Velasa: youve only been looking for a few minutes
#812 [20:59] <Wug> ?
#813 [20:59] <Velasa> oh, no
#814 [20:59] <Velasa> last few days of playing
#815 [20:59] <Velasa> I just updated to the newest version a few minutes ago
#816 [21:00] <Wug> and yeah, you wont find anything anywhere that was generated before the updates
#817 [21:00] <Velasa> strangely some things are different than they started though
#818 [21:00] <Velasa> like a snowy biome dropped on my beach and I had to build it a glass ceiling
#819 [21:01] <Velasa> but maybe dropping weather was less of a deal
#820 [21:01] <Wug> snow biomes were broken for a long time
#821 [21:01] <Velasa> ok
#822 [21:01] <Wug> its likely that it was always there and you never noticed
#823 [21:01] <Velasa> it's right next to my house ^^;
#824 [21:02] <Wug> no, I mean, its likely that it was always a snow biome, but because it was broken, you never saw any snow
#825 [21:02] <Velasa> ioooh, ok
#826 [21:02] <Velasa> thanks
#827 [21:02] <Velasa> I'll keep looking for kitties then.
#828 [21:02] <Velasa> seeya
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#840 [22:23] <mib_c2src3> Hello
#841 [22:23] <mib_c2src3> are there any developers or mods available for helping me?
#842 [22:26] <mib_c2src3> Okay, I will explain my issue first I suppose. First and foremost last time I tried to get help for this I was auto banned and have been unable to get back with my account.
#843 [22:27] <mib_c2src3> There is a website apparently offering the new version of minecraft for free and I'm trying to find out if this is in fact an illegal website or if it is a legit site that minecraft has approved
#844 [22:27] <GreyVulpine> It's an illegal website
#845 [22:27] <mib_c2src3> Alright, is there any way to get my account unbanned from this chat?
#846 [22:27] <Dan> mib_c2src3, any site that isnt minecraft.net is not an approved minecraft site
#847 [22:28] <mib_c2src3> I figured as much but I posted the website to be sure and apparently the auto ban banned me
#848 [22:28] <Wug> mib_c2src3: what was your name at the time
#849 [22:28] <mib_c2src3> that's why I wanted to check first a friend referred me to and i knew it was illegitimate so I made sure to check first, I will also be letting him know
#850 [22:28] <mib_c2src3> Hagoroth
#851 [22:28] <Wug> one sec
#852 [22:28] <Dan> minecraft.net is the only official minecraft site
#853 [22:29] <mib_c2src3> I will have to wait until I can purchase Minecraft in a few months. One thing I will say is seeing him play the illegitimate version made me decide to buy it
#854 [22:29] <Wug> yeah that happens a lot
#855 [22:29] <GreyVulpine> Ask yourself this. If Mojang is selling Minecraft for 20 euros on minecraft.net, what do they get for giving away minecraft for free on another site?
#856 [22:29] <mib_c2src3> maybe they could offer a free trial of the full version for like a 2 hour limit or something cause I would not have decided to buy it based on the classic version
#857 [22:29] <GreyVulpine> ?? demo
#858 [22:29] <VoxelHead> demo: Minecraft now has a demo available. PCGamer's article here: http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/04/19/download-the-minecraft-demo/ gives the details. In short, it has all the tools of Minecraft survival, and 'locks' itself after 90 minutes.
#859 [22:29] <VoxelHead> demo: The Direct Download link is available here: http://is.gd/l507ow
#860 [22:29] <mib_c2src3> I know that, that's why I refused to use the site until i made sure
#861 [22:29] <GreyVulpine> Older version, uses beta 1.5
#862 [22:29] <mib_c2src3> also i've seen other developers offer free versions of their game through deals with other websites
#863 [22:30] <GreyVulpine> Not every developer does free versions
#864 [22:30] <mib_c2src3> HOWEVER i figured it was illegitimate so i checked first
#865 [22:30] <Wug> I removed the ban
#866 [22:30] <mib_c2src3> yes, i'm aware
#867 [22:30] <mib_c2src3> which is why I checked first
#868 [22:30] <mib_c2src3> i'm saying that since I know other developers do on occassion i checked first
#869 [22:30] <mib_c2src3> but it was fairly obvious the website was illegitimate
#870 [22:31] <mib_c2src3> I'm guessing Minecraft is aware of the website given the fact it's the first search result on google
#871 [22:31] <mib_c2src3> but is there any way to report it just in case?
#872 [22:31] <GreyVulpine> Mojang already knows about it
#873 [22:31] <GreyVulpine> It's been around for a while
#874 [22:31] <mib_c2src3> yeah i figured, that's stupid
#875 [22:31] <Wug> you cant play on servers with it
#876 [22:32] <Wug> its rather crippled, you lose the multiplayer experience
#877 [22:32] <mib_c2src3> yeah, all i did was watch a friend lay it and asked him about i literally only knew minecraft as a name till then
#878 [22:32] <Wug> people go and buy it after a while so they can use servers
#879 [22:32] <mib_c2src3> he tried to refer me to it and said it was the first search result on google but i refused to play it till i made sure
#880 [22:32] <mib_c2src3> i'm thoroughly against supporting stolen versions so much that i didn't even look it up until i made sure
#881 [22:33] <mib_c2src3> but like i said it did at least help me decide that I did want to buy it, a decision that the classic version offered for free wouldn't have been made
#882 [22:33] <mib_c2src3> so when i have money i will be buying minecraft =P
#883 [22:33] <mib_c2src3> thank you all for the help
#884 [22:33] <mib_c2src3> and thank you for unbanning my account i appreciate both
#885 [22:34] <mib_c2src3> is Mojang trying to get that website taken down or are they just kind of ignoring it knowing that it's not the full game?
#886 [22:34] <GreyVulpine> We have no news on the site.
#887 [22:35] <mib_c2src3> hm, okay just didn't know if Mojang has said anything about it. anyways, i guess i'll play classic till i'm not completely broke =P thanks everyone
#888 [22:35] <mib_c2src3> hope to see you all in game sometime
#889 [22:35] * GreyVulpine tips hat
#889 [22:35] <mib_c2src3> what kind of hat?
#890 [22:37] <mib_c2src3> lol, okay thanks again everyone
#891 [22:42] <Wug> GreyVulpine: one of these days I am going to mail you a hat
#892 [22:43] <Wug> probably a beret
#893 [22:43] <Wug> those things are fun
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#895 [22:46] <AlmtyBob> Is it possible to install RedPower without adding all the other world changing stuff like volcanos, new plants, alloys, etc?
#896 [22:47] <Wug> AlmtyBob: thats a question for #risucraft
#897 [22:48] <AlmtyBob> is that the general modding questions channel?
#898 [22:48] <AlmtyBob> are there more specific channels for some of the bigger mods such as GLSL/Sonic's, RedPower, etc?
#899 [22:49] <Wug> its possible that it has a channel, you might try #redpower
#900 [22:50] <Wug> but #risucraft is for general modding and this channel is for vanilla support
#901 [22:51] <AlmtyBob> thanks
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#903 [22:57] <GoEz> hallo?
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#906 [23:01] <|Kiikun|> Wug: lol. no mail him a beanie. with the fan XD
#907 [23:02] * Wug lovingly crafts a hat out of ridiculous
#907 [23:02] <Wug> /bmotion
#908 [23:02] <Wug> samantha once lovingly crafted a cookie out of butt for me
#909 [23:02] <Wug> I was touched
#910 [23:02] <|Kiikun|> by the butt?
#911 [23:03] <Wug> no, by the gesture, silly
#912 [23:04] <Wug> then I laughed so hard I fell off of my chair
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#916 [23:14] <wow> Hi guys
#917 [23:15] <wow> ashley
#918 [23:15] <wow> ?rules
#919 [23:15] <wow> .rules
#920 [23:15] <wow> .rules
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#923 [23:20] <lemon-rev> yes wow
#924 [23:20] <Wug> wow left
#925 [23:21] <lemon-rev> lol, glad to hear :)
#926 [23:38] <|Kiikun|> wait. wow closed?! YAY!
#927 [23:38] <clarjon1> lol
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