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#2 [00:22] <vadr> exit
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#6 [00:35] <Cynical_Sociopath> ?
#7 [00:35] <Cynical_Sociopath> Can anyone help me look at a crash log to see why my mc is crashing?
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#9 [00:53] <krebbit> how do you fix the downloading terrain problem in my server
#10 [00:53] <krebbit> ?
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#19 [01:35] <ferminter> I got a 24 hour ban from using my card, any way to clear it?
#20 [01:36] <lemon-rev> ring your bank
#21 [01:36] <ferminter> I did they unblocked the card.
#22 [01:36] <lemon-rev> there its cleard but not from that site
#23 [01:36] <ferminter> so do i just wait 24 hours?
#24 [01:36] <ferminter> and try again?
#25 [01:37] <lemon-rev> either that or try tweet jeb or someone from mojang
#26 [01:37] <ferminter> ok thanks.
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#28 [01:45] <GreyVulpine> See http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/417071-i-can%E2%80%99t-purchase-minecraft
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#30 [01:45] <GreyVulpine> "If you received a message asking you to wait 48 hours before you try your purchase again, we're sorry, but that is a security restriction when purchasing through Moneybookers (for credit/debit cards), and Mojang cannot lift that restriction."
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#32 [02:02] <Wugg`sogoth> you should all know this but
#33 [02:02] <Wugg`sogoth> be very careful logging onto servers you do not trust
#34 [02:02] <Wugg`sogoth> don't join anyones server if they come and ask you to test it
#35 [02:03] <Wugg`sogoth> use ;check or !check instead
#36 [02:05] <GreyVulpine> Yeah
#37 [02:05] <Keltinray> Why do people suck?
#38 [02:06] <Wugg`sogoth> more like why hasnt the protocol been patched yet
#39 [02:06] <Keltinray> No, the question is why does it need to be? If people didn't suck, it wouldn't be necessary.
#40 [02:06] <Keltinray> Alas, people suck.
#41 [02:07] <Wugg`sogoth> might just be only one person
#42 [02:07] <Wugg`sogoth> we know its not, but it could be
#43 [02:07] <Wugg`sogoth> having a shitty insecure protocol is a downside too
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#45 [02:25] <Finamenon> anyone here have any experience streaming minecraft?
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#47 [02:28] <Dylan> Can somebody please give me the link to geterror.bat?
#48 [02:29] <Wugg`sogoth> Guest97069: we have a launcher that saves a log file
#49 [02:29] <Wugg`sogoth> :ts/launcher
#50 [02:29] <WugBot> ts/launcher: Use this launcher to help troubleshoot minecraft. It saves a log called minecraft.log containing any errors minecraft may have encountered as it was running. To use it, simply download and double click.
#51 [02:29] <WugBot> ts/launcher: Troubleshooting Minecraft Launcher (All Operating Systems): http://wug.me/minecraft/illegal/MCH-Launcher.jar
#52 [02:29] <Guest97069> thx
#53 [02:29] <Wugg`sogoth> the log is stored in %appdata%\.minecraft\minecraft.log
#54 [02:29] <Guest97069> illegal?
#55 [02:30] <Guest97069> dont like path
#56 [02:30] <GreyVulpine> http://bit.ly/t154lG
#57 [02:30] <Wugg`sogoth> ;long http://bit.ly/t154lG
#58 [02:30] <WugBot> http://bit.ly/t154lG --> https://github.com/medsouz/MinecraftError
#59 [02:31] <Wugg`sogoth> :illegal > Guest97069
#60 [02:31] <WugBot> Guest97069: (illegal) its in a folder called illegal because its legal status is questionable since its a modded launcher and distributing minecraft code is against the tos (including the launcher)
#61 [02:31] <Wugg`sogoth> I host it myself. Theres nothing wrong with it
#62 [02:31] <Wugg`sogoth> its just on legal shaky ground
#63 [02:31] <Wugg`sogoth> glad you asked
#64 [02:33] <Guest97069> :D
#65 [02:35] <Guest97069> helpp
#66 [02:36] <Wugg`sogoth> Guest97069: you read why it was in a folder called illegal right
#67 [02:37] <Guest97069> yes
#68 [02:37] <Guest97069> PLease help with this: http://pastebin.com/ns4syaRF
#69 [02:38] <GreyVulpine> You're using an old mod, "mod_Backpack 1.2.3_v2-3"
#70 [02:39] <Guest97069> no
#71 [02:39] <Guest97069> That worked fine
#72 [02:39] <Guest97069> um
#73 [02:39] <Guest97069> hold on a sec
#74 [02:40] <Guest97069> its just a wrong k=label its updated
#75 [02:41] <GreyVulpine> Ah. Looks like Olddays is incompatible with some other mod?
#76 [02:41] <GreyVulpine> Do you have optifine installed?
#77 [02:42] <Wugg`sogoth> mod_OldDaysBugs is the cause of the problem
#78 [02:42] <Wugg`sogoth> try removing it
#79 [02:42] <Guest97069> I need that
#80 [02:43] <Guest97069> and its a conflict with xray
#81 [02:43] <Guest97069> how do I remove xray?
#82 [02:43] <Guest97069> wait one sec I think ive got it
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#84 [02:50] <Guest97069> I LOVE YOU GUYS THANK YOU SO MUCH
#85 [02:50] <Guest97069> I removed xray and it worked
#86 [02:50] <Guest97069> bye
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#107 [04:34] <Mrwobin> does anyone have any experiance with clustered vm's to host minecraft ?
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#110 [05:13] <Wugg`sogoth> Mrwobin: minecraft is inherently single threaded
#111 [05:13] <Wugg`sogoth> it would perform terribly on a cluster
#112 [05:14] <Mrwobin> you just need a beefy amount of ghz to throw at it,
#113 [05:16] <GreyVulpine> Mrwobin - With a 60% CPU usage, either there's a plugin or two that's completely hosing your server, or java's screwed up on the server, or your hand-me-down server's got issues.
#114 [05:16] <Wugg`sogoth> Mrwobin: it needs lots of single threaded ghz
#115 [05:16] <Wugg`sogoth> you could run it on 1000 cores and it would still only use about 1
#116 [05:19] <Mrwobin> okay
#117 [05:20] <Mrwobin> so today the smart thing I can do is swap out my quad 2.5ghz back to the 3ghz dual that ran everything fine before....
#118 [05:21] <Mrwobin> GreyVulpine I have tried both java6 and java7 64bit servers to no difference
#119 [05:22] <Mrwobin> Im just paranoid that after going to the datacentre its still screwy
#120 [05:23] <GreyVulpine> I'm inclined to point the finger at a faulty plugin
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#123 [05:37] <gabber> hi @ll, is there a way to get MC 1.2.4 ?
#124 [05:37] <GreyVulpine> ?? mcnostalgia
#125 [05:38] <GreyVulpine> erm, google for "MCNostalgia"
#126 [05:41] <gabber> great, thanks !
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#129 [05:46] <Avaruusnuija> So, I purchased MC but when I try to start it, whole computer starts lagging. (javaw.exe hogging all memory and usage)
#130 [05:46] <Avaruusnuija> http://pastebin.com/r6J2qp9B
#131 [05:46] <Avaruusnuija> And gives that kind of error report.
#132 [05:46] <GreyVulpine> Uninstall java completely and reinstall it.
#133 [05:46] <GreyVulpine> Looks to be a corrupt java install.
#134 [05:47] <Avaruusnuija> Did that already.
#135 [05:49] <GreyVulpine> The error report is referencing java calls throwing errors. I see nothing else.
#136 [05:49] <Avaruusnuija> Another re-install then?
#137 [05:49] <GreyVulpine> Uninstall and completely wipe java before installing it fresh
#138 [05:50] <GreyVulpine> Try also:
#139 [05:50] <Avaruusnuija> Okay.
#140 [05:50] <GreyVulpine> ?? win/javara
#141 [05:50] <VoxelHead> win/javara: JavaRa is a tool for removing broken Java installations. If your java installation is failing with errors, running JavaRa might clear them up.
#142 [05:50] <VoxelHead> win/javara: JavaRa's info is at http://singularlabs.com/software/javara/
#143 [05:59] <Avaruusnuija> Gives still similar looking error file.
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#145 [05:59] <Sajase> how can i tell if im using the real verison or not
#146 [05:59] <Sajase> cause it seems to be the same
#147 [05:59] <GreyVulpine> Real version?
#148 [05:59] <Sajase> i just bought the real verison. anybody know how i can custom my own char?
#149 [06:00] <GreyVulpine> Sajase - Log into minecraft.net, go to the profile page. You can upload your player skins there
#150 [06:00] <Sajase> it just shows a little picture on the left corner of the screen only
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#152 [06:01] <GreyVulpine> That's only if you want to download the character .png to customize yourself
#153 [06:01] <GreyVulpine> If you want to look for custom player skins, try minecraftskins.com
#154 [06:02] <Sajase> ok i c
#155 [06:02] <Sajase> so back to the question haha...how do i play the real verison theen?
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#157 [06:03] <GreyVulpine> Erm, by downloading the client from minecraft.net/download, or by using http://www.minecraft.net/game
#158 [06:05] <Avaruusnuija> :l
#159 [06:05] <GreyVulpine> Avaruusnuija - I have no other clues other than the one error report you're giving me, which is stating that java is clearly corrupt.
#160 [06:06] <GreyVulpine> I don't know what else to go from here.
#161 [06:08] <Sajase> ok GreyVulpine. umm after i figure out what skin i want. how do i like upload that?
#162 [06:08] <Avaruusnuija> http://pastebin.com/dcbh1S1W this is what error report it gives now.
#163 [06:08] <GreyVulpine> By downloading the .png from the site, and using the profile page at minecraft.net to upload it
#164 [06:08] <Avaruusnuija> Looks pretty similar.
#165 [06:08] <Avaruusnuija> :l
#166 [06:08] <GreyVulpine> Avaruusnuija - Pastebin the latest error report?
#167 [06:09] <GreyVulpine> er, sorry.
#168 [06:09] <Avaruusnuija> Yes, it's latest. :P
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#170 [06:10] <GreyVulpine> Still looks like a corrupt java install to me
#171 [06:10] <GreyVulpine> Slightly different.
#172 [06:10] <OniNoSeishin> hi
#173 [06:11] <Avaruusnuija> Dammit.
#174 [06:11] <OniNoSeishin> anyone can help me?
#175 [06:11] <GreyVulpine> OniNoSeishin - Perhaps.
#176 [06:13] <OniNoSeishin> the problem is i just updated to 1.2.5 and i get 'out of memory' error after 15 minutes of play; the facts are: i'm using the same texture pack, the same mods and the same optifine config i was using on 1.2.3 (without any problem)
#177 [06:13] <DiskDaemon> THe map world has doubled in height, so it will push the memory requirements more heavily of the game
#178 [06:13] <GreyVulpine> Happen to be using a 64 bit OS?
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#180 [06:17] <OniNoSeishin> yep, 64bit winows 7
#181 [06:18] <OniNoSeishin> DiskDaemon 1.2.3 had doubled height too, no?
#182 [06:18] <GreyVulpine> OniNoSeishin - Try installing 64 bit java then, should fix the out of memory issue
#183 [06:19] <OniNoSeishin> i'm using java 7 64bit
#184 [06:20] <GreyVulpine> Are you sure minecraft is using 64 bit java then? Run minecraft, check Windows Task manager. Is "javaw.exe" or "javaw.exe *32" running?
#185 [06:22] <OniNoSeishin> it's java.exe
#186 [06:25] <GreyVulpine> How much RAM do you have on the system?
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#188 [06:25] <OniNoSeishin> 4GB
#189 [06:26] <GreyVulpine> Do you know if this still happens with a fresh vanilla install?
#190 [06:26] <OniNoSeishin> 1GB allocated to minecraft
#191 [06:27] <GreyVulpine> Otherwise, try: http://pastebin.com/YhRXMsEU
#192 [06:28] <OniNoSeishin> actually i'm trying with default texture and it's going better
#193 [06:28] <GreyVulpine> Were you using an HD texture pack?
#194 [06:29] <OniNoSeishin> yes, 128x, but i didn't had this problem with 1.2.3
#195 [06:30] <OniNoSeishin> well, i'll try using x64....
#196 [06:34] <xTwilight> ..The newer MC versions do contain more stuff.
#197 [06:35] <xTwilight> Not even my computer could handle x128 :x
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#200 [07:12] <SinZ> I dont see the point in HD Texturepacks, they all look =S
#201 [07:12] * SinZ likes the default texturepack
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#202 [07:20] <OniNoSeishin> i prefer sphax :P default is ugly, imo
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#222 [09:11] <zenon> hello i would like to get a 1.2.3 server .jar where can i find it
#223 [09:14] <zenon> sdgafdg
#224 [09:14] <zenon> sorry can anyone help?
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#228 [09:59] <Etincelles> How craft bottle'o'enchanting ?
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#232 [10:39] <Wugg`sogoth> explain the issue
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#234 [10:41] <mudzereli> basically after a bit my game gets really laggy. I downloaded something that lets me view the console or w/e and i just see spams of ### OPENGL OUT OF MEMORY ### or something like that. I've googled the issue tons of times , and the only solution i can find is "upgrade to 64 bit java"
#235 [10:41] <mudzereli> but i only have a 32 bit OS
#236 [10:42] <mudzereli> so i was wondering if anyone knew of an alternate solution that didnt involve purchasing a copy of windows 7
#237 [10:43] <clarjon1> how much RAM do you have
#238 [10:45] <mudzereli> 4GB, but windows xp can only use like 3.3 or something like that
#239 [10:45] <mudzereli> i've tried adjusting the min and max heap sizes and everything
#240 [10:46] <mudzereli> it doesnt seem to make a difference
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#257 [11:45] <GreyVulpine> ?? snapshot
#258 [11:45] <VoxelHead> snapshot: Latest snapshot is http://assets.minecraft.net/1_2_5/minecraft.jar
#259 [11:45] <GreyVulpine> ??~ snapshot|Latest snapshot is http://assets.minecraft.net/12w15a/minecraft.jar
#260 [11:45] <Calinou> hah new snapshot out?
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#262 [11:46] <GreyVulpine> http://www.mojang.com/2012/04/minecraft-snapshot-12w15a/
#263 [11:46] * Calinou wants to see the new features to laugh
#263 [11:46] <Calinou> (yes, my opinion of mojang is that bad since jeb is the lead dev)
#264 [11:46] <Calinou> secret changelog?!
#265 [11:46] <Calinou> even worse.
#266 [11:46] <GreyVulpine> Blame DB
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#268 [11:46] <Calinou> "havent" > spelling mistake
#269 [11:47] <Calinou> wow minecraft is doing VERY well
#270 [11:47] <hipy> Hey, i noticed that diamond picks last waaay shorter. This sucks since in the past diamond picks were like the holy grail since they last so long, now its better to make a steal pickaxe :|
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#272 [11:53] <Calinou> hipy, they still have 1562 uses
#273 [11:53] <Calinou> they had 1025 uses before beta 1.2 (january 13 2011)
#274 [11:53] <Calinou> are you playing the latest snapshot? maybe there's some bug then
#275 [11:54] <hipy> heh, did they shortend it? since i go trough them really fast
#276 [11:54] <hipy> 1.2.5
#277 [11:54] <Calinou> well they have 1562 uses
#278 [11:54] <hipy> ah weird
#279 [11:54] <hipy> then its just me
#280 [11:54] <Calinou> if you have an efficiency enchantment, the pick will last shorter, indirectly ;P
#281 [11:54] <Calinou> because you mine faster with it
#282 [11:54] <hipy> is it 1562 uses for stone or for all
#283 [11:54] <sicknuke> ... all
#284 [11:55] <GreyVulpine> http://www.overclock.net/t/1242347/puppygames-free-titan-attacks-revenge-of-the-titans-droid-assault-or-ultratron
#285 [11:55] <Calinou> any blocks, even if you use it on invalid blocks such as wood
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#296 [12:49] <Mercenares> Hello who can help me is my account still had a net net premium
#297 [12:50] <oldtopman> Mercenares: Did you buy the account from minecraf.net?
#298 [12:50] <oldtopman> minecraft.net*
#299 [12:50] <Calinou> Mercenares, we can't really help with account issues, check out http://help.mojang.com
#300 [12:50] <Mercenares> yes did everything but go with elc net yet
#301 [12:50] <oldtopman> els net yet?
#302 [12:51] <Mercenares> i speak to German ?
#303 [12:53] <oldtopman> Wussten Sie erwerben Minecraft aus www.minecraft.net?
#304 [12:53] <Mercenares> ja da shabe ich gemacht
#305 [12:53] <oldtopman> Shabe?
#306 [12:53] <Mercenares> das hab ich gemacht mit Elc und klappte alles bloß habe noch nix bekommen wie ne e mail oder so
#307 [12:56] <oldtopman> hmm
#308 [12:56] <Mercenares> entschuldigung ich kann englisch net gut :( muss wenn alle mit übersetzer machen
#309 [12:56] <oldtopman> Haben Sie sich für den Kauf bisher noch in Rechnung gestellt?
#310 [12:56] <Mercenares> ich habe ja nix gehört habe ne lange nummer bekommen mit mein Acc Name und mehr net
#311 [12:57] <Mercenares> und da steht srin das innerhalb von 1 ne stunde es gehn müsste
#312 [12:57] <oldtopman> Was ist Ihre Account-Namen?
#313 [12:58] <Mercenares> Mercenares
#314 [12:58] <oldtopman> !paid Mercenares
#315 [12:58] <oldtopman> :(
#316 [12:59] <Mercenares> ist aber raus alles und konto is gedeckt
#317 [12:59] <oldtopman> Falls Sie noch nicht für das Spiel in Rechnung gestellt wurden, dann versuchen Sie es noch einmal zu kaufen. Wenn Sie noch in Rechnung gestellt worden, per E-Mail "payment@mojang.com", und sie kann Ihnen helfen.
#318 [13:00] <Mercenares> aha okay
#319 [13:00] <oldtopman> Ich verstehe nicht, was Sie gerade gesagt, sorry. Können Sie sagen, es wieder auf Englisch?
#320 [13:00] <Mercenares> caio ;( ;(
#321 [13:00] <oldtopman> Ah.
#322 [13:00] <oldtopman> Glad to be of help.
#323 [13:00] <oldtopman> Lebe wohl!
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#326 [13:04] <Carapace-__^> Hey guys, anyone knows when alpha testers are going to get there free copy of xperia and xbox minecraft?
#327 [13:05] <oldtopman> Carapace-__^: No idea.
#328 [13:06] <sicknuke> Ima retard
#329 [13:06] <sicknuke> Ill go back to being quiet and not misreading now
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#331 [13:12] <JohnDoe33> How does max-build-height work? Is 256 the maximum value, or? The value has to be from 1-256? Cant find anything about it on the wiki
#332 [13:19] <oldtopman> JohnDoe33: The y value is the height of your eyes.
#333 [13:19] <oldtopman> The real height is about 1.8 down.
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#335 [13:22] <JohnDoe33> oldtopman: I am sorry, but I dont understand what you mean. I'm talking about the server.properties setting mentioned here: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Server.properties
#336 [13:22] <oldtopman> Ah.
#337 [13:22] <oldtopman> The value has to be from 1-255
#338 [13:23] <oldtopman> The world still generates normally, no matter what you do, it just adjusts how high you can build.
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#340 [13:23] <JohnDoe33> ok thanks :)
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#350 [14:33] <Guest94489> does any one have any ideas how to force mincraft to use the opengl or a way to let it use directX? opengl works fine the only program havving issues with the open gl is minecraft
#351 [14:34] <Guest94489> is any one even here?
#352 [14:39] <Guest94489> hello?????
#353 [14:40] <Wugg`sogoth> Guest94489: you need to update your graphics drivers probably
#354 [14:41] <Guest94489> already done
#355 [14:42] <Guest94489> gfx card works great up to date i was sucsess full in running 1.2.3 but once it got to 1.2.4 and now 1.2.5 i get that opengl error plenty of open gl programs work fine including a bentchmark on my opengl only
#356 [14:44] <Wugg`sogoth> what error do you get
#357 [14:45] <Guest94489> Bad video card drivers!
#358 [14:45] <Guest94489> -----------------------
#359 [14:45] <Guest94489> Minecraft was unable to start because it failed to find an accelerated OpenGL mode.
#360 [14:45] <Guest94489> This can usually be fixed by updating the video card drivers.
#361 [14:45] <Guest94489> --- BEGIN ERROR REPORT 7fe0271 --------
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#363 [14:45] <Wugg`sogoth> use pastebin
#364 [14:46] <Guest94489> whats pastebin?
#365 [14:46] <Wugg`sogoth> :pb
#366 [14:46] <WugBot> pb: Please use pastebin to share error logs or long messages, do not flood the channel. http://pastebin.com Paste your text into the box, click 'Submit' and give us the link from the address bar.
#367 [14:47] <Guest94489> i think this is right http://pastebin.com/C2b985Wq
#368 [14:48] <Wugg`sogoth> what graphics card do you have
#369 [14:48] <Wugg`sogoth> and are you on a laptop
#370 [14:49] <Guest94489> laptop acer timelinex give me a sec for an exact video card need to find the specs sheet
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#372 [14:50] <Guest94489> video card is ATI mobility radeon hd5650 up to 2651mb hyper memory
#373 [14:51] <Wugg`sogoth> chances are you have an integrated one as well and its trying to use the wrong one
#374 [14:51] <Wugg`sogoth> I have to go so I'll ring someone else
#375 [14:51] <Wugg`sogoth> Kealper: rawr
#376 [14:52] <Kealper> rawr
#377 [14:52] <Guest94489> ...... its a switchable card
#378 [14:52] <Kealper> i go with what wug said
#379 [14:52] <Wugg`sogoth> Kealper: Guest94489 has a laptop and probably needs to update the driver for his integrated gpu
#380 [14:52] <Wugg`sogoth> guide him through finding and updatingit
#381 [14:52] <Wugg`sogoth> make sure its enabled as well
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#382 [14:53] <Kealper> that is quite unfortunate
#383 [14:53] <Kealper> because i was getting ready to go to the Red Cros
#384 [14:53] <Kealper> Cros*
#385 [14:53] <Guest94489> my gfx is up to date as pur acer
#386 [14:53] <Kealper> fuu
#387 [14:53] <Kealper> cross :|
#388 [14:53] <Kealper> Guest94489: one second...
#389 [14:54] <Guest94489> is it possible its trying to use the "powersave" gfx system and not the "high performence"?
#390 [14:55] <Kealper> that could be the case, like it's trying to save power by using the crappy onboard graphics instead of the discrete graphics
#391 [14:55] <Kealper> is there an option in the bios (or in some control panel) to switch between performance and power saver?
#392 [14:56] <Guest94489> theres one in bios to turn switchability on and then theres threw CCC theres the option to switch between them
#393 [14:56] <Kealper> hmm... have you tried the one in CCC first?
#394 [14:56] <Kealper> the one in CCC might also require the bios one being enabled, first
#395 [14:57] <Kealper> if the bios one is disabled it'd probably just fall back to using integrated graphics only
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#397 [14:57] <Guest94489> i have tryed both states in CCC
#398 [14:58] <Guest94489> and the bios simply disables the switchability in ccc
#399 [14:58] <Kealper> hmm....
#400 [14:58] <Guest94489> but you have givven me an idea to try give me a sec
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#402 [15:09] <Guest94489> laptop is still rebooting from something i just changed
#403 [15:09] <Guest94489> corection just finished
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#405 [15:10] <Kealper> ahh
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#407 [15:12] <Guest94489> good news is i got an inch further i got a loading screen for once sence 1.2.4 but still there i changed bios from switchable to discreet
#408 [15:12] <Kealper> hmm.... now what does it do?
#409 [15:12] <Kealper> still gives the same error? or does it make it further?
#410 [15:14] <Guest94489> i got to where it should actualy show the singel multy ect then got the error up untill now the error was ocouring befor it even started loading
#411 [15:14] <Kealper> i wonder if it's just a driver issue now... a mobility 5650, right?
#412 [15:16] <Guest94489> yes in an acer aspire 5820tg and its an hd5650
#413 [15:16] <Kealper> ok, Windows 7 x64 i assume?
#414 [15:16] <Guest94489> yes
#415 [15:17] <Kealper> http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/windows/Pages/radeonmob_win7-64.aspx download that thing, it *should* detect exactly what is needed and install the correct driver
#416 [15:17] <Guest94489> it also has some intel video card would that be the lesser one??
#417 [15:18] <Kealper> yeah that would be the crappy integrated one
#418 [15:19] <Kealper> they have two different graphics processors in gaming laptops like that so you don't drain all your batter power away if you arn't using the powerful graphics card, since the crappy intel one uses much less power (but performs worse)
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#421 [15:20] <Guest94489> is there a way to tell witch one is active when it no longer becomes switchable??
#422 [15:20] <Kealper> no idea, i've never had a laptop that had two in it
#423 [15:21] * Kealper goes afk for a sec
#423 [15:23] <Kealper> and back for a few more minutes before i have to run to the red cross
#424 [15:24] <Guest94489> ......... AMD catalyst mobility cannot be downloaded due to incompatible software/hardware on your computer your computer does not contain proper graphics adapter
#425 [15:24] <Kealper> :/
#426 [15:25] <Guest94489> i am assuming that was suposto update my gfx driver
#427 [15:26] <Kealper> yeah :/
#428 [15:27] <Guest94489> the only "amd" item in my laptop is that hd5650
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#430 [15:28] <Kealper> i'm not sure then.. i guess the dual-graphics laptops like yours require special drivers... and if you've updated the graphics drivers from Acer's website, then i'm out of ideas :/
#431 [15:28] <danio20> hey how can I change my e-mail in my Minecraft account?
#432 [15:28] <Kealper> danio20: at this moment in time, you can't
#433 [15:28] <danio20> where?
#434 [15:28] <danio20> :P
#435 [15:28] <Kealper> you can't change your email linked to your minecraft account ._.
#436 [15:29] <Guest94489> is there a way to get minecraft to use direcx?
#437 [15:29] <danio20> -_- than i've got a problem cause i delete my email xD
#438 [15:29] <Kealper> Guest94489: unfortunately not, it's OpenGL-only
#439 [15:30] <Kealper> danio20: that could be quite the issue then...
#440 [15:32] <danio20> they are no other way to change my e-mail? cause as admin u can do what u want *actually*
#441 [15:34] <Guest94489> was open gl accseleration just added in 1.2.4?
#442 [15:34] <Kealper> danio20: i'm only and admin of the chat channel, i don't actually work for Mojang
#443 [15:35] <danio20> okay thank you for help :)
#444 [15:35] <danio20> bye
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#446 [15:35] <Kealper> Guest94489: Minecraft has always used OpenGL, so for it to suddenly stop working like that after a sort-of-minor update is rather strange... are you sure you didn't do anything prior to it failing to run?
#447 [15:36] <Guest94489> i updated minecraft from 1.2.3 to 1.2.4
#448 [15:36] <Guest94489> still runs 1.2.3
#449 [15:36] <Kealper> that's extremely odd then :o
#450 [15:36] <Kealper> GreyVulpine: poek
#451 [15:37] <|Kiikun|> and new snapshot makes all minecart/boat dispensers pointlessly complex.
#452 [15:38] <Kealper> |Kiikun|: heard anything about 1.2.4 breaking some things on some computers?
#453 [15:38] <|Kiikun|> breakign what things?
#454 [15:39] <Kealper> uhh.. suddenly saying that it failed to find an accelerated opengl mode etc etc
#455 [15:39] <|Kiikun|> not that i know of... not sure if the messed with renderer though
#456 [15:40] <Kealper> i don't think they did, but they might have... although this is the first time i've heard of said issue
#457 [15:41] <Kealper> but either way, i've got to run.... wug threw people at me right as i was getting ready to run
#458 [15:41] <|Kiikun|> i blame windows update of video drivers!
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#460 [15:44] <Guest94489> cant blame windows as i uninstalled all my drivers and reinstalled them all manualy to the latest versions as pur manufacture
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#467 [16:10] <jp1999> Hello
#468 [16:10] <jp1999> This is minecraft help IRC!
#469 [16:11] <NinjaKirby> Indeed it is.
#470 [16:11] <jp1999> Can
#471 [16:11] <NinjaKirby> of Beans?
#472 [16:11] <jp1999> dam keyboard
#473 [16:11] <jp1999> soz, anyway. You the mod/helper?
#474 [16:11] <NinjaKirby> I'm just some random guy.
#475 [16:12] <jp1999> lol
#476 [16:12] <jp1999> fair enough
#477 [16:12] <clarjon1> Just ask your question
#478 [16:12] <NinjaKirby> :) State the nature of the Mincebeef emergency
#479 [16:12] <jp1999> k
#480 [16:12] <clarjon1> We won't know if we can help until you do! :)
#481 [16:12] <NinjaKirby> "20 borg are about to come crashing through that door - we need a distraction"
#482 [16:12] <jp1999> So I try to play minecraft classic on my mac, with the latest Java installed. It doesn't play. Why the hell does it not work?
#483 [16:13] <jp1999> clar?
#484 [16:14] <clarjon1> hmm
#485 [16:14] <clarjon1> Minecraft Classic is not getting any more support, for quite a while now
#486 [16:14] <jp1999> I asked my question ...
#487 [16:14] <jp1999> oh
#488 [16:14] <clarjon1> Plus, it's always had issues with Macs
#489 [16:15] <jp1999> oh
#490 [16:15] <jp1999> blast
#491 [16:15] <jp1999> Err, minecraft premium. Is there any point buying it for mac?
#492 [16:15] <NinjaKirby> Given it runs in the 'same' Java environment, I find that most intredasting.
#493 [16:16] <jp1999> Yeah
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#495 [16:17] <jp1999> You would have thought that Minecraft would be working best, on the best computer: The Apple iMac
#496 [16:18] <jp1999> ...
#497 [16:18] <|Kiikun|> premium runs fine on macs.
#498 [16:18] <jp1999> cool
#499 [16:18] <jp1999> thanks
#500 [16:18] <|Kiikun|> if you wanna try out classic, then try the World of Minecraft client
#501 [16:18] <|Kiikun|> its not official or supported here though
#502 [16:19] <jp1999> Yeah
#503 [16:19] <jp1999> I use it on Windows.
#504 [16:19] <jp1999> But not on mac for some reason
#505 [16:20] <jp1999> Anyway
#506 [16:20] <jp1999> BYE!
#507 [16:20] <jp1999> BYE!
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#509 [16:21] <NinjaKirby> I'm so glad silence resonated throughout the channel when he made the "Best Computer" statement.
#510 [16:22] <|Kiikun|> im glad i missed that
#511 [16:22] <Guest94489> ...... macs are not all that good and i don't want to be a flamer
#512 [16:23] <Boreeas> lolmac
#513 [16:23] <NinjaKirby> I've only recently hada chance to use a Mac, in an attempt to help a friend out
#514 [16:23] <NinjaKirby> I could barely work out how to Burn a DVD, let alone operate the mouse efficiency.
#515 [16:23] <NinjaKirby> *Efficiently
#516 [16:23] <NinjaKirby> Guess I'm trying to say, it's amazing how different it actually is.
#517 [16:24] <Guest94489> macs are awsome for some nightmares for others it all depends on the end goal
#518 [16:25] <NinjaKirby> Hmmm, the method of... "work flow", perhaps, is just something else. The way various windows seem to natively operate and all.
#519 [16:25] <Guest94489> but hardly the best computer ever the best would be a 3 os bootable
#520 [16:25] <NinjaKirby> Aye, simultaneously operating with fast-switching :3
#521 [16:26] <clarjon1> 3 OS bootable with switching between the OS' on multiple monitors, and buil-in support for moving data across the operating systems seamlessly.
#522 [16:26] <NinjaKirby> Must be some low-level VM software around that can manage it.
#523 [16:30] <Guest94489> yes clarjon that would be the beszt computer
#524 [16:34] <NinjaKirby> Hmmm, 500ml seems a lot of Ice cream
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#533 [16:57] <blacky> does anybody know a minecraft bukkit 1.2.4 or 1.2.5 weapon mod? like flan's or balkon's? i can't find any informations about that, only weapon mods for vanilla
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#538 [17:35] <matagin> how can i tell which players are set to creative mode on my server?
#539 [17:36] <matagin> i accidently type /gamemode 1 and it set all players with the number 1 in their name to creative mode
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#542 [17:44] <zkxs> matagin: are you on a vanilla server?
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#547 [18:08] <Enkerman> Hello folks
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#549 [18:10] <Enkerman> I'm having issues setting up my server, I've tried lots of stuff and I'm pretty much out of ideas at this point
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#551 [18:13] <zkxs> Enkerman: Did you read this? http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Setting_up_a_server
#552 [18:13] <M1n3cr4ftr> how does one find there static ip address?
#553 [18:13] <Enkerman> You need to set one up, Mitch
#554 [18:13] <Enkerman> If you haven't done so before, you're right to have come here for help.
#555 [18:13] <zkxs> one does not necessarily *have* a static ip
#556 [18:13] <M1n3cr4ftr> I had a server running, got a new router and idk what to put in the static ip box
#557 [18:14] <zkxs> for port forwarding?
#558 [18:14] <M1n3cr4ftr> yea
#559 [18:14] <Enkerman> I think you need to put your internal IP, but my server's broken and I had the same problem so that's one area I wouldn't necessarily trust myself with.
#560 [18:14] <zkxs> M1n3cr4ftr: you need to set up a static ip through your operating system
#561 [18:14] <M1n3cr4ftr> I put the ip4v address or whatever from cmd thing but it didnt work
#562 [18:15] <zkxs> cause that ain't static by default, it is DHCP
#563 [18:15] <M1n3cr4ftr> why do I need a static ip to port forword for this router but not the other?
#564 [18:15] <zkxs> because this router is trying to be idiot-proof. DHCP will bread you PF
#565 [18:15] <zkxs> *break your PF
#566 [18:16] <Enkerman> I'm wondering that too. Linksys didn't need me to put in an IP for the port forward but this Netgear router does.
#567 [18:16] <sugoi> zkxs: only when it resets
#568 [18:16] <M1n3cr4ftr> would my laptop have a static ip?
#569 [18:16] <Enkerman> Your internal IP (e.g. 10.0.0.24) goes there, right?
#570 [18:16] <sugoi> Enkerman: did you only specify the "computer name" ?
#571 [18:16] <Enkerman> I tried putting my static, external IP in and it said something about not being in the same subgateway.
#572 [18:16] <Enkerman> Computer name? I wasn't asked for that.
#573 [18:16] <sugoi> Enkerman: the forward to port is the internal potr
#574 [18:16] <Taubin> you'll have to set the static in the router using the computers MAC address, and then set up your port forward. If you are wanting to access it from outside of your lan, check out dyndns.org for setting that up
#575 [18:17] <sugoi> Enkerman: then how does it know to which pc to forward it to?
#576 [18:17] <Enkerman> Alright, hold on, I have some screenshots to explain myself better
#577 [18:17] <zkxs> M1n3cr4ftr: what os are you running?
#578 [18:17] <sugoi> M1n3cr4ftr: you can 'fix' an ip to your laptop in a couple ways, one common way is to tell the router to reserve an IP based on mac address, i think this is what Taubin was saying
#579 [18:18] <NinjaKirby> lol, is that cooldude? XD
#580 [18:18] <NinjaKirby> Sorry, I gotta ask though, dayum
#581 [18:18] <Taubin> that's exactly what i was getting at Sugoi, thanks
#582 [18:18] <sugoi> zkxs: so yes, dhcp != static and breaks forwarding, but there are easy ways around, for one, my public ip from my isp hasn't changed once in 6 months
#583 [18:18] <M1n3cr4ftr> im on windows
#584 [18:19] <Enkerman> http://i.imgur.com/QFxV3.png Okay, this is what my forwarding rule looks like at the moment
#585 [18:19] <zkxs> sugoi: the lenght of the the dhcp lease varies from router to router. I'm just saying that it will eventually cause problems
#586 [18:19] <M1n3cr4ftr> im following this guide http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/Trendnet/TEW-652BRP/Minecraft_Server.htm
#587 [18:19] <Enkerman> Which windows, Nutty?
#588 [18:19] <sugoi> zkxs: indeed - it's not "static"
#589 [18:19] <sugoi> haha
#590 [18:19] <zkxs> M1n3cr4ftr: windows 7?
#591 [18:19] <Enkerman> Windows 7?
#592 [18:19] <M1n3cr4ftr> yea
#593 [18:19] <sugoi> but for me, fixing once per 6 months or more is simple enough
#594 [18:20] <sugoi> zkxs: are you more concerned about the lan ips or the public?
#595 [18:20] <zkxs> the public IP's aren't the reason these folks are here, this is about lan
#596 [18:20] <sugoi> bc on lan, router ip assignment can easily be fixed/reserved by the router, with dhcp _as_ _well_ <- this is my method
#597 [18:21] <sugoi> k, sorry, -- i'm just flooding, i know you've got this worked out
#598 [18:21] <zkxs> I have this pc set to 192.168.1.11, out of the DHCP range
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#600 [18:21] <zkxs> M1n3cr4ftr: what ip does ipconfig give you?
#601 [18:21] <sugoi> zkxs: you set the range to 2->10?
#602 [18:22] <M1n3cr4ftr> the ip4v
#603 [18:22] <zkxs> the dhcp range for my router is 100+
#604 [18:22] <zkxs> M1n3cr4ftr: yes
#605 [18:22] <M1n3cr4ftr> 192.168.10.102
#606 [18:22] <zkxs> M1n3cr4ftr: and what is the default gateway?
#607 [18:23] <zkxs> ipv4, preferably
#608 [18:23] <sugoi> then i don't know what you meant by "out of the dhcp range"
#609 [18:23] <M1n3cr4ftr> 192.168.10.1
#610 [18:23] <Enkerman> Does anyone have a clue what I've done wrong?
#611 [18:23] <zkxs> M1n3cr4ftr: bring up the Network and Sharing Center from the control panel
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#613 [18:24] <M1n3cr4ftr> mhm
#614 [18:24] <zkxs> M1n3cr4ftr: once you get there, click 'change adapter settings'
#615 [18:24] <M1n3cr4ftr> yessir
#616 [18:24] <zkxs> M1n3cr4ftr: are you using wifi or wired?
#617 [18:25] <M1n3cr4ftr> uh both right now wireless
#618 [18:25] <sugoi> Enkerman: if zkxs is helping nutty, perhaps i can help you
#619 [18:25] <sugoi> Enkerman: what are you trying to do and what is wrong
#620 [18:25] <zkxs> M1n3cr4ftr: well, right click on your wireless adapter, and go to 'properties'
#621 [18:26] <M1n3cr4ftr> ye
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#623 [18:26] <zkxs> M1n3cr4ftr: you should have a list of checked items, select (not uncheck!) 'Internet Protocol Version 4' and click the 'properties' button
#624 [18:27] <M1n3cr4ftr> k
#625 [18:27] <Enkerman> Sugoi: I'm trying to set up my server. Ports 25565 and 25566 are forwarded and I have a static IP. I can connect by means of localhost but not through my external IP, nor can anyone else connect to me.
#626 [18:28] <zkxs> M1n3cr4ftr: select the 'use the following IP address' option, and fil '192.168.10.10' in for 'IP address', and '192.168.10.1' in for 'Default Gateway'
#627 [18:28] <M1n3cr4ftr> kk, so then setting up the server will work?
#628 [18:28] <zkxs> M1n3cr4ftr: then hit 'ok', then 'ok'
#629 [18:29] <zkxs> yes, if I am understanding what your router is whining about
#630 [18:29] <sugoi> Enkerman: back, was afk, now reading
#631 [18:29] <M1n3cr4ftr> ok ill see
#632 [18:29] <M1n3cr4ftr> ty :)
#633 [18:29] <sugoi> Enkerman: sounds like your router has the wrong forwarding rule
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#635 [18:30] <zkxs> M1n3cr4ftr: this will most likely break any wifi connections you make to other networks, but switching the radio button back to 'Obtain an IP automatically' will fix it
#636 [18:30] <sugoi> Enkerman: confirm the ports are forwarding to a LAN ip, your router doesn't need your static ip at all
#637 [18:30] <Enkerman> Have you seen the screenshot I posted? I'm feeling sort of dumb, I should know all this but I've gotten rusty
#638 [18:30] <zkxs> M1n3cr4ftr: you should now be able to PF, using 192.168.10.10 as your static IP
#639 [18:30] <sugoi> don't fret it, i'll scroll up for your links
#640 [18:30] <Enkerman> Yes, it's forwarded to 10.0.0.24
#641 [18:31] <M1n3cr4ftr> ok
#642 [18:31] <Enkerman> Which is, according to ipconfig /all, my IP address
#643 [18:31] <sugoi> Enkerman: i see one imgur, were there more than 1?
#644 [18:32] <Enkerman> Nope, imgur is all
#645 [18:32] <sugoi> Enkerman: and 'my IP address' is the server's ip address? i.e. "you" are the server?
#646 [18:32] <Enkerman> Yes, I'm hosting it for one or two other people at a time and I have a relatively decent computer
#647 [18:33] <sugoi> Enkerman: do you have 2 routers?
#648 [18:34] <sugoi> Enkerman: keep in mind, your isp's modem could be acting like a router
#649 [18:34] <zkxs> also, if his wired and wireless are both connected, he would have two IP
#650 [18:34] <Enkerman> Erm... I have no clue, to be honest
#651 [18:34] <Enkerman> I only have wireless if you were talking to me, zkxs
#652 [18:34] <sugoi> Enkerman: you have a netgear?
#653 [18:34] <zkxs> then that wouldn't be an issue
#654 [18:35] <Enkerman> Netgear, yes
#655 [18:35] <sugoi> Enkerman: go to your router
#656 [18:35] <Enkerman> Already there
#657 [18:35] <sugoi> under "Setup" on the left, click "basic Settings"
#658 [18:35] <Enkerman> Done
#659 [18:35] <sugoi> in the center area, in the "Internal IP Address", you have "Get Dynamically from ISP" selected?
#660 [18:36] <Enkerman> sec, it's loading
#661 [18:36] <Enkerman> Yes
#662 [18:36] <sugoi> what values are in place for the "IP Address" ?
#663 [18:36] <sugoi> is that the same ip your friends are using?
#664 [18:36] <Enkerman> No, that's my internal IP
#665 [18:36] <Enkerman> 192.168.1.8
#666 [18:37] <sugoi> then you have 2 routers
#667 [18:37] <Enkerman> Oh God, this is getting confusing D:
#668 [18:37] <zkxs> double nat :P
#669 [18:37] <sugoi> you need to log into 192.168.1.1 and configure it to forward to your netgear
#670 [18:37] <Enkerman> Ohhh, okay
#671 [18:37] <Enkerman> So how do I do that?
#672 [18:37] <sugoi> Enkerman: as zkxs said, double nat, that's what i mean by "2 routers"
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#674 [18:37] <zkxs> ??< double-nat
#675 [18:37] <sugoi> Enkerman: in your browser, go to 192.168.1.1, and log in
#676 [18:38] <Enkerman> Two Netgears
#677 [18:38] <Enkerman> It's checking for updates, so it'll take a sec
#678 [18:38] <Enkerman> Alright, done
#679 [18:38] <sugoi> forward [25565, 25566] to 10.0.0.1 (i think this was your other router?)
#680 [18:38] <sugoi> no
#681 [18:38] <sugoi> derp
#682 [18:39] <sugoi> haah, forward to 192.168.1.8
#683 [18:39] <Enkerman> lol
#684 [18:39] <Enkerman> Alright
#685 [18:40] <Enkerman> It's taking a second to save settings
#686 [18:40] <zkxs> Is this setup at your house?
#687 [18:40] <sugoi> ;check Enkerman
#688 [18:40] <Enkerman> I only know of one router in our house
#689 [18:40] <WugBot> Unable to connect to address: c-66-31-212-126.hsd1.ma.comcast.net:25565 (Timed out)
#690 [18:40] <Enkerman> grah i'm sick of 'timed out'
#691 [18:40] <Enkerman> :(
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#693 [18:40] <sugoi> ;check Enkerman
#694 [18:41] <WugBot> Unable to connect to address: c-66-31-212-126.hsd1.ma.comcast.net:25565 (Timed out)
#695 [18:41] <Enkerman> Hold on a second
#696 [18:41] <zkxs> the prot is open
#697 [18:41] <blacky> does anybody know a minecraft bukkit 1.2.4 or 1.2.5 weapon mod? like flan's or balkon's? i can't find any informations about that, only weapon mods for vanilla
#698 [18:41] <Enkerman> ;check Enkerman
#699 [18:41] <WugBot> c-66-31-212-126.hsd1.ma.comcast.net:25565 seems to host a minecraft server: A Minecraft Server (0/20)
#700 [18:41] <sugoi> blacky: #bukkit would have better info for you
#701 [18:41] <Enkerman> YES!
#702 [18:41] <sugoi> Enkerman: what was missing?
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#704 [18:41] <Enkerman> The forward hadn't finished saving and I restarted the server for good measure
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#706 [18:42] <Enkerman> Thanks for all of your help, y'all
#707 [18:42] <sugoi> Enkerman: :)
#708 [18:42] <Enkerman> I might start coming in here to help as payment sometime :P
#709 [18:42] <Enkerman> See ya!
#710 [18:42] <zkxs> does this mean he also has double DHCP?
#711 [18:42] <blacky> thanks i'll try it
#712 [18:42] <sugoi> yes
#713 [18:42] <sugoi> :)
#714 [18:42] <sugoi> :)
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#716 [18:43] <zkxs> D: ohman. When his ip is renewed, he'll come running back here payment or not
#717 [18:43] <sugoi> yep
#718 [18:43] <GreyVulpine> Yes, but usually the 2nd router won't change, since it'll always be on. Chances are his public IP address will change more often than his internal
#719 [18:43] <sugoi> yeah, was typing that ^
#720 [18:44] <zkxs> lol, I picked the easy one
#721 [18:44] <zkxs> although... he got a ping timeout so I *could* have broken his wireless connection
#722 [18:44] <GreyVulpine> And enkerman was on yesterday, but I distinctly remember asking if the ip address shown in the router matched up with ipchicken, to determine if he had a 2nd NAT..
#723 [18:45] <GreyVulpine> Which he told me it matched up, *shrug*.
#724 [18:45] <sugoi> GreyVulpine: ...
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#726 [18:45] <zkxs> perhaps his internal router was checking ipchicken
#727 [18:45] <sugoi> sure makes it a pain when we get wrong info
#728 [18:46] <GreyVulpine> Glad he got it figured out though.
#729 [18:46] <sugoi> zkxs: we're talking about the ip the router was assigned
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#734 [19:05] <Enkerman> Hello again.
#735 [19:05] <Enkerman> ;check Enkerman
#736 [19:05] <WugBot> c-66-31-212-126.hsd1.ma.comcast.net:25565 seems to host a minecraft server: A Minecraft Server (0/20)
#737 [19:05] <Enkerman> Okay, that's what I thought, but...
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#739 [19:05] <Enkerman> Can someone try connection to my server through Minecraft? I'm unable to do so.
#740 [19:05] <Enkerman> Can someone try connection to my server through Minecraft? I'm unable to do so.
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#742 [19:07] <Enkerman> Alright, thank you Grey
#743 [19:07] * GreyVulpine nods
#743 [19:07] <Enkerman> That's weird, though, I can't connect externally
#744 [19:07] <Enkerman> Maybe it's some issue with IP recursion
#745 [19:07] <GreyVulpine> If you can't connect via your public IP address, chances are the router cannot do ip loopback
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#747 [19:07] <Enkerman> That's what I thought, yeah
#748 [19:07] <Enkerman> Netgear is not a fan of Xibit
#749 [19:07] <Enkerman> :P
#750 [19:08] <Enkerman> Anyway, maybe I'll be back later!
#751 [19:08] * GreyVulpine nods
#751 [19:08] <Enkerman> Hopefully under better circumstances. See ya!
#752 [19:08] * Enkerman waves
#752 [19:08] * GreyVulpine waves
#752 [19:10] * oldtopman doesnt have ip loopback
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#753 [19:18] <GreyVulpine> I think I meant to say NAT loopback, but whatever.
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#758 [19:50] <sugoi> yeah, nat -- but he does have double nat
#759 [19:50] <sugoi> my neatgear does loopback just fine
#760 [19:50] <sugoi> might be the double-nat that is confusing the loopback
#761 [19:50] <sugoi> might be the double-nat that is confusing the loopback
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#770 [20:23] <Illuminati> hi guys
#771 [20:23] <Illuminati> anyone got mo'animals for 1.2.5?
#772 [20:23] <Illuminati> been trying to make it work for hours now
#773 [20:23] <Illuminati> really want my mo'animals
#774 [20:23] <GreyVulpine> http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/81771-v125-mo-creatures-v350-with-snakes/
#775 [20:24] <Illuminati> ty GreyVulpine! but that's where I got it
#776 [20:24] <GreyVulpine> According to the mod's author, it should be updated for 1.2.4
#777 [20:24] <GreyVulpine> er, 1.2.5
#778 [20:25] <Illuminati> downloaded all 5 necessairy mods to make it work (modloader, audio, gui, mod itself and euh a fifth one)
#779 [20:25] <Illuminati> well indeed it should be
#780 [20:25] <Illuminati> but it doesn't work
#781 [20:25] <GreyVulpine> And what happens exactly?
#782 [20:25] <Illuminati> patched all 5 things into the jar
#783 [20:25] <Illuminati> with mc patcher 2.3.5
#784 [20:25] <Illuminati> also for 1.2.5
#785 [20:25] <GreyVulpine> Do you get a modloader.txt file where you have .minecraft/ ?
#786 [20:25] <Illuminati> and nothing happens
#787 [20:25] <Illuminati> in %appdata%
#788 [20:25] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#789 [20:25] <Illuminati> others mods do work
#790 [20:26] <GreyVulpine> Could you post the contents of modloader.txt to www.pastebin.com and give us the URL?
#791 [20:26] <Illuminati> i'll see what I can do, one sec! ty
#792 [20:27] <Illuminati> it's a short list
#793 [20:27] <Illuminati> i'll just post it here 6 lines or so
#794 [20:27] <Illuminati> Apr 13, 2012 2:12:55 AM ModLoader init
#795 [20:27] <Illuminati> FINE: ModLoader 1.2.5 Initializing...
#796 [20:27] <Illuminati> Apr 13, 2012 2:12:55 AM ModLoader readFromClassPath
#797 [20:27] <Illuminati> FINER: Adding mods from C:\Users\Stephane Maes\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\bin\minecraft.jar
#798 [20:27] <Illuminati> Apr 13, 2012 2:12:55 AM ModLoader readFromClassPath
#799 [20:27] <GreyVulpine> Please don't
#800 [20:28] <Illuminati> sowwy :o
#801 [20:28] <GreyVulpine> Use www.pastebin.com
#802 [20:28] <Illuminati> http://pastebin.com/d4hkzgYD
#803 [20:29] <Illuminati> this should be it
#804 [20:29] <GreyVulpine> Why is there a "1.2.5" folder in %appdata/.minecraft/mods?
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#806 [20:30] <Illuminati> i dunno it was there
#807 [20:30] <Illuminati> i have a minecraft.jar
#808 [20:30] <Mokuu> Hi, can I ask a (probably) dumb question?
#809 [20:30] <Illuminati> and a minecraft.jar 1.2.5
#810 [20:30] <GreyVulpine> Mokuu - Only way to know, is to ask
#811 [20:30] <GreyVulpine> Illuminati - I'm thinking you installed the mods wrong
#812 [20:30] <Illuminati> i installed a few mods to minecraft in the past, but i ain't like a regular modder so maybe i indeed am doing something wrong
#813 [20:30] <Mokuu> I'm having an issue with Minecraft and java.
#814 [20:31] <Mokuu> I'm running x64 of just about everything.
#815 [20:31] <GreyVulpine> Mokuu - What issue would that be?
#816 [20:31] <GreyVulpine> Illuminati - What is in the contents of mo'creatures?
#817 [20:31] <Mokuu> Even Java. But every time I open Minecraft, it says it's still using x32 of Java.
#818 [20:31] <GreyVulpine> When you downloaded mo'creatures, what did you get?
#819 [20:31] <Illuminati> how do you mean like what does it do?
#820 [20:31] <Illuminati> a zip with like the mod in it
#821 [20:31] <GreyVulpine> I'm wondering what you're seeing inside the zip file of mocreautres
#822 [20:31] <Illuminati> 2 folders
#823 [20:31] <GreyVulpine> Which are
#824 [20:32] <Illuminati> mods, resources
#825 [20:32] <Illuminati> oke dumb q
#826 [20:32] <GreyVulpine> Alright, inside the mods folder are?
#827 [20:32] <Illuminati> is it better for me to patch directly by hand
#828 [20:32] <Illuminati> or to use mc patcher?
#829 [20:32] <GreyVulpine> Either will work
#830 [20:32] <Illuminati> cuz maybe it's the mc patcher
#831 [20:32] <Mokuu> I uninstalled 32 bit java, just to lessen confusion, so I'm only running 64 bit as far as I know.
#832 [20:32] <Mokuu> But Minecraft STILL won't use 64 bit Java... :(
#833 [20:33] <Illuminati> my original mc patcher file is minecraft 1.2.5
#834 [20:33] <Illuminati> input i mean
#835 [20:33] <GreyVulpine> Mokuu - Strange. What operating system are you on?
#836 [20:33] <Illuminati> and output is minecraft period
#837 [20:33] <Mokuu> Windows XP x64
#838 [20:33] <Illuminati> is that right? or is that where it might went wrong?
#839 [20:33] <GreyVulpine> Illuminati - I'm sorry, I don't use MCpatcher myself.
#840 [20:33] <GreyVulpine> It sounds right.
#841 [20:33] <Illuminati> so you do it all by hand?
#842 [20:33] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#843 [20:33] <Illuminati> oke cool
#844 [20:34] <Illuminati> pff this is frustrating
#845 [20:34] <Illuminati> really should work and it doesn't
#846 [20:34] <Mokuu> I've looked all over and tried so many solutions, but nothing ever works.
#847 [20:34] <Illuminati> at same place buddy :p
#848 [20:34] <GreyVulpine> Mokuu - Are you using the control panel to uninstall java?
#849 [20:34] <Illuminati> let's go postal Mokuu
#850 [20:34] <Illuminati> rofl
#851 [20:34] <GreyVulpine> Illuminati - Happen to have teamviewer?
#852 [20:35] <Illuminati> no I don't, but thanks for asking
#853 [20:35] <Mokuu> Yes, I've correctly uninstalled Java x32.
#854 [20:35] <Illuminati> just strange that it doesn't work
#855 [20:35] <Mokuu> -using the control panel.
#856 [20:35] <Illuminati> gonna give it another go by hand
#857 [20:35] <GreyVulpine> Mokuu - Try completely uninstalling all java, and reinstall java from:
#858 [20:35] <GreyVulpine> :j
#859 [20:35] <WugBot> j: Current Recommended Java Version: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre-6u31-download-1501637.html (Java SE Runtime Environment 6 Update 31)
#860 [20:35] <Illuminati> but is it normal that in my bin
#861 [20:35] <Illuminati> i have 2 .jar's
#862 [20:35] <GreyVulpine> Make sure that you're using the x64 java installation file
#863 [20:36] <GreyVulpine> Illuminati - Probably just MCpatcher making a backup of the minecraft.jar file
#864 [20:36] <Illuminati> which are respectively minecraft.jar and minecraft-1-2-5.jar
#865 [20:36] <GreyVulpine> You should use minecraft.jar
#866 [20:36] <Illuminati> oke cool
#867 [20:36] <Illuminati> as input
#868 [20:36] <Illuminati> or as output?
#869 [20:37] <GreyVulpine> output
#870 [20:37] <Illuminati> oke cool that's as is now
#871 [20:37] <Illuminati> gonna give it another go
#872 [20:38] <Mokuu> >_< Site you linked won't load...
#873 [20:38] <GreyVulpine> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre-6u31-download-1501637.html -- works
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#875 [20:38] <Mokuu> Nevermind, my nets was just being slow...
#876 [20:39] <Mokuu> Is it safe to completely uninstall all java?
#877 [20:39] <Mokuu> All at once?
#878 [20:39] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#879 [20:39] <GreyVulpine> We suggest it around here frequently, to ensure people get a clean install of java
#880 [20:40] <Mokuu> Alright, gonna give it a shot.
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#882 [20:42] <Illuminati> modloader files etc, all in mods folder in mc.jar right?
#883 [20:42] <Illuminati> does it actually matter in which folder I put those?
#884 [20:42] <GreyVulpine> Yes it does
#885 [20:42] <Illuminati> did see a movie earlier about some guy putting them all in the misc folder
#886 [20:42] <GreyVulpine> Modloader files go into mc.jar
#887 [20:42] <Illuminati> oke cool
#888 [20:42] <Illuminati> but i mean inside the mc.jar those folders
#889 [20:42] <GreyVulpine> Run MC afterwards, make sure meta-inf is deleted
#890 [20:43] <GreyVulpine> If you installed modloader correctly, MC should run, and you should now see a "mods" folder in %appdata%/.minecraft
#891 [20:43] <GreyVulpine> Then follow up with the rest of the mods
#892 [20:43] <Illuminati> oke cool
#893 [20:43] <GreyVulpine> Modloader specific mods, should be installed in .minecraft/mods, usually without unzipping... but depends on the mod
#894 [20:50] <Mokuu> Okay, download is finally done, here I go.
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#896 [20:55] <Mokuu> Quick question:
#897 [20:55] <GreyVulpine> Ask away
#898 [20:55] <Mokuu> Do I have to uninstall all other java related stuff? Like flash player?
#899 [20:56] <GreyVulpine> Flash isn't java
#900 [20:56] <Mokuu> Or JUST the java itself?
#901 [20:56] <Mokuu> Oh, wait... Duh...
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#903 [20:56] <GreyVulpine> Should only need to uninstall java itself
#904 [20:56] <Jung> Hey guys, I am looking for a single player mod that ables you to restrict your yaw and pitch while walking/flying. I am flying around my map and id like to go in a straight line. just pressing W wont cut it.
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#906 [20:57] <DiskDaemon> What if you had a way to generate sections of the map without having to fly over them?
#907 [20:58] <Jung> that would be better but unfortunately I am using the Wedge seed generator mod and i can only generate the chunks by flying ingame
#908 [20:58] <Mokuu> Should I do a pc restart?
#909 [20:59] <GreyVulpine> Mokuu - Can't hurt
#910 [20:59] <Mokuu> Yeah, I just got an error trying to open minecraft.
#911 [20:59] <GreyVulpine> Mokuu - What error?
#912 [20:59] <GreyVulpine> Pastebin it
#913 [20:59] <Mokuu> No JVM could be found on your system.
#914 [20:59] <GreyVulpine> That's.. not good.
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#916 [21:00] <Mokuu> What's pastebin?
#917 [21:00] <Jung> Wedge Seed generator mod atm doesnt have the feature of loading chunks so for now i have to do flybys. To optimize my work, i have optifine so that chunks load faster
#918 [21:00] <GreyVulpine> Jung - Try looking at: http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/355537-124-controlpack-autosneakrunautotoolsmartfurnacelookbehindlots-more-v49/
#919 [21:00] <DiskDaemon> Jung: Then I suggest that you make a request for a mod that allows your direction to snap to certain lines of travel http://www.minecraftforum.net/forum/52-requests-ideas-for-mods/
#920 [21:00] <GreyVulpine> Not sure if that 1.2.4 is compatible with 1.2.5
#921 [21:00] <Jung> okay thanks Grey and Disk
#922 [21:01] <Jung> i will do both
#923 [21:02] <Mokuu> "No JVM could be found on your system. Please define EXE4J_JAVA_HOME to point to an installed 32-bit JDK or JRE or download a JRE from www.java.com."
#924 [21:03] <Mokuu> That's the error, word for word.
#925 [21:03] <GreyVulpine> Seems like XP x64 doesn't support 64 bit Java
#926 [21:03] <Mokuu> Got that after I uninstalled all java, then reinstalled the java you linked to me.
#927 [21:03] <Mokuu> Let me try doing a restart and see if I get the same error again.
#928 [21:04] <Mokuu> I'll get back on here and let you know what happens.
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#932 [21:07] <Mokuu> Well
#933 [21:07] <Mokuu> Same error.
#934 [21:07] <Mokuu> After PC restart.
#935 [21:08] <Mokuu> Or is there a 64-bit minecraft client that I don't know about?
#936 [21:09] <Eddie> I believe only the JVM is 32-bit or 64-bit
#937 [21:09] <Eddie> not Java programs themselves
#938 [21:09] <Mokuu> Well phooey.
#939 [21:09] <zkxs> that's the whole point of java: compile once, run anywhere
#940 [21:09] <GreyVulpine> Minecraft runs on Java. If java 64 bit is installed, minecraft will run on that. If 32 bit java is installed, minecraft will run on that as well
#941 [21:10] <Mokuu> Then why won't my minecraft run on 64-bit java? :(
#942 [21:10] <GreyVulpine> If Windows XP 64 bit doesn't support java 64 bit for some reason...
#943 [21:10] <Mokuu> I think I'm just gonna switch to Ubuntu. >_< Every day, I find a new reason to dislike Windows...
#944 [21:11] <clarjon1> Mokuu: try Linux Mint!
#945 [21:12] <Mokuu> Linux Mint, huh?
#946 [21:12] <GreyVulpine> !wiki linux mint
#947 [21:12] <GreyBot> Wikipedia Found: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Mint
#948 [21:12] <GreyBot> Linux Mint is a Linux-based computer operating system designed for usability and ease of installation, particularly for users with no previous Linux experience. It is available in several editions with different codebases, nearly all of which are based on Ubuntu, which is itself based on Debian.
#949 [21:13] <Mokuu> Awesome. I'll have to check it out.
#950 [21:13] <Mokuu> I've been using Ubuntu off and on for years.
#951 [21:13] <clarjon1> I'm running the 64bit version
#952 [21:13] <Mokuu> But been heavily relying on Windows XP.
#953 [21:13] <clarjon1> Running like a dream on my laptop :)
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#957 [21:14] <zkxs> Minecraft is the only game that runs on linux :P </hyperbole>
#958 [21:14] <Mokuu> I just wish I could figure this out... T_T
#959 [21:14] <Mokuu> I play WoW on Ubuntu with WINE.
#960 [21:14] <Mokuu> Runs just as good as Windows.
#961 [21:14] <zkxs> I made it through Portal on wine, it crashed a couple times and the subtitle font was screwed up
#962 [21:15] <Mokuu> I just want to play minecraft in 64-bit mode. :(
#963 [21:16] <zkxs> yeah. Far render distance is nice
#964 [21:16] <Mokuu> That, and my minecraft is a little jumpy. Was hoping the 64-bit would ease that up some.
#965 [21:17] <zkxs> I XP 64bit is a bit glitchy, from what I've heard. Quite a few 64 bit applications don't run on it
#966 [21:18] <zkxs> like itunes. My dad was having some problems with that on his laptop when he first got it
#967 [21:18] <Mokuu> Apparently, my windows xp x64 won't even acknowledge my 64-bit java installation.
#968 [21:18] <zkxs> fun
#969 [21:21] <Mokuu> So I guess I just have to reinstall the 32-bit java again?
#970 [21:21] * GreyVulpine nods
#970 [21:22] <Mokuu> Alright. Thanks for taking the time to help me. :)
#971 [21:22] <zkxs> grep hat
#972 [21:22] <zkxs> */grep
#973 [21:22] <Mokuu> What
#974 [21:22] <Mokuu> ?
#975 [21:23] <zkxs> that was supposed to be a command :P
#976 [21:23] <Mokuu> Ah, lol.
#977 [21:23] <Mokuu> Command for what?
#978 [21:23] <zkxs> searching my chat logs for the word 'hat'. all i'm getting is 'that'
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#980 [21:30] <Jung> alright that thing auto control is working. It will do. Preferably, id like my guy auto walk to different waypoints
#981 [21:31] <GreyVulpine> Not aware of any plugins/mods that do that, unfortunately.
#982 [21:32] <GreyVulpine> You may be better off asking in #risucraft instead of #bukkit
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#990 [22:06] <ThatGuy> http://www.planetminecraft.com/member/gmpro/
#991 [22:06] <ThatGuy> http://www.planetminecraft.com/member/gmpro/
#992 [22:06] <ThatGuy> http://www.planetminecraft.com/member/gmpro/
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#995 [22:07] <ThatGuy> http://www.planetminecraft.com/member/gmpro/
#996 [22:07] <ThatGuy> http://www.planetminecraft.com/member/gmpro/
#997 [22:07] <ThatGuy> http://www.planetminecraft.com/member/gmpro/
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#1001 [22:07] <Delta_Team> Hey i don't get, how i'm supposed to register over here?
#1002 [22:07] <Delta_Team> i registered at forums, is that enough=
#1003 [22:07] <Delta_Team> ?
#1004 [22:07] <GreyVulpine> No
#1005 [22:08] <GreyVulpine> The IRC network has no connection to the forums
#1006 [22:08] <Delta_Team> Where should i?
#1007 [22:08] <Delta_Team> :(}
#1008 [22:08] <GreyVulpine> With: /msg nickserv password email
#1009 [22:08] <Delta_Team> Thanks!
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#1015 [22:19] <mib_aj2zc5> Can someone help me? I keep gettin Hs_err_pid error files when I login to minecraft
#1016 [22:20] <GreyVulpine> Please copy the contents of the hs_err_pid file to pastebin.com, submit it, and give us the URL
#1017 [22:22] <mib_aj2zc5> http://pastebin.com/t84j6D2b
#1018 [22:22] <zkxs> the script I use to start minecraft begins with `rm ~/hs_err_pid*.log` because it fills up my home directory with its silly logs
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#1020 [22:23] <GreyVulpine> Looks like your ATI video drivers are out of date. Please update them from
#1021 [22:23] <GreyVulpine> ?? gpu/amd
#1022 [22:23] <VoxelHead> gpu/amd: You can get drivers for AMD (formerly ATI) video cards here: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/index.aspx
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#1032 [23:16] <ilikemilk456> I have lag on my new laptop i bought in order to play minecraft.
#1033 [23:16] <ilikemilk456> Anyone able to help?
#1034 [23:18] <zkxs> it isn't a netbook, is it?
#1035 [23:18] <ilikemilk456> nope.
#1036 [23:18] <zkxs> whew
#1037 [23:18] <ilikemilk456> why?
#1038 [23:18] <zkxs> because those can barely start minecraft
#1039 [23:19] <zkxs> well, specs?
#1040 [23:19] <zkxs> RAM and GPU are important, CPU not so much as long as it has multiple cores
#1041 [23:19] <ilikemilk456> Well, i was ABOUT to get a netbook, but something told me not to. That's a good thing to know:)
#1042 [23:19] <zkxs> my guess is you have an integrated GPU
#1043 [23:20] <ilikemilk456> How do you want me to tell you my specs? DirectX?
#1044 [23:20] <zkxs> dxdiag would work
#1045 [23:20] <zkxs> ??win/dxdiag
#1046 [23:20] <zkxs> ?? win/dxdiag
#1047 [23:20] <ilikemilk456> I will pastebin it then.
#1048 [23:20] <VoxelHead> win/dxdiag: Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#1049 [23:20] <VoxelHead> win/dxdiag: Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
#1050 [23:24] <ilikemilk456> http://pastebin.com/8LJJe9sk here it is... I HOPE I DIDN"T WASTE MONEY ON THIS LAPTOP!
#1051 [23:25] <GreyVulpine> That graphics chipset is substandard at best for playing minecraft.
#1052 [23:25] <zkxs> not exactly gaming-oriented
#1053 [23:25] <ilikemilk456> is it bad or good?
#1054 [23:25] <ilikemilk456> why is it laggy?
#1055 [23:27] <GreyVulpine> It's laggy because the laptop is using an intel integrated video chipset. It's slower than a discrete, dedicated graphics card. It also shares system RAM, which slows it down even further.
#1056 [23:27] <langkid1> ewww
#1057 [23:27] <ilikemilk456> oh no...
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#1059 [23:27] <zkxs> I hope you didn't buy this laptop specifically for playing minecraft
#1060 [23:27] <langkid1> I dunno if my AMD CPU is a APU or what
#1061 [23:27] <ilikemilk456> I. Did.
#1062 [23:28] <langkid1> But this sticker says 'VISION(newline)AMD*logo*'
#1063 [23:28] <langkid1> ilikemilk456, aw sad for you :(
#1064 [23:28] <ilikemilk456> So, will i be able to?
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#1066 [23:28] <langkid1> Intel chipsets for GPUs are not good for Minecraft
#1067 [23:28] <langkid1> ilikemilk456, you SHOULD be able to get away with some good FPS if you use the optifine mod
#1068 [23:28] <GreyVulpine> the VISION logo is just AMD's branding of ATI now that they bought them.
#1069 [23:28] <langkid1> GreyVulpine, does it have GPU/APU in it?
#1070 [23:29] <ilikemilk456> wat's that? I haven't used/ installed mods yet? How do I?
#1071 [23:29] <GreyVulpine> Only way to be sure, is to do a dxdiag. I want to say yes.
#1072 [23:29] <ilikemilk456> I did a Dxdiag though!
#1073 [23:29] <GreyVulpine> Was talking to langkid1
#1074 [23:30] <zkxs> http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/249637-125-optifine-hd-a2-fps-boost-hd-textures-aa-af-and-more/
#1075 [23:30] <ilikemilk456> oh,sorry. XD
#1076 [23:30] <zkxs> ^ optifine's topic
#1077 [23:30] <ilikemilk456> okay, i'll try that.
#1078 [23:31] <langkid1> Card name: AMD M880G with ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4200
#1079 [23:31] <langkid1> Dedicated Memory: 324 MB
#1080 [23:31] <ilikemilk456> what do I download
#1081 [23:32] <langkid1> it should be pretty obvious
#1082 [23:32] <langkid1> just read it
#1083 [23:32] <GreyVulpine> langkid1 - Then yes, you have a discrete video card
#1084 [23:32] <langkid1> don't just go looking for blue text
#1085 [23:32] <langkid1> GreyVulpine, ah, I wonder how I get away with good framerates for most FPS and minecraft
#1086 [23:32] * langkid1 goes to shower
#1086 [23:33] <ilikemilk456> so i download Magic Launcher?
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#1088 [23:35] <zkxs> ilikemilk456: yep
#1089 [23:35] <GreyVulpine> Magic launcher is a custom, third-party minecraft launcher. You can choose to use it to launch minecraft mods easier, but it's not the solution at hand.
#1090 [23:35] <ilikemilk456> this makes sense. just a sec.
#1091 [23:35] <zkxs> just follow the Easy Installation instructions
#1092 [23:36] <GreyVulpine> You'll need to download optifine (The version you get, is up to you), to enable more choices so you can turn off some of minecraft's video options, resulting in smoother gameplay
#1093 [23:36] <Raistlinnn> magiclauncher!
#1094 [23:39] <ilikemilk456> it says not compatibile
#1095 [23:39] <ilikemilk456> wat's going on
#1096 [23:40] <GreyVulpine> What says it's not compatible?
#1097 [23:41] <ilikemilk456> the mod. when i press install, i click add, add the mod, and it says not compatibile
#1098 [23:42] <GreyVulpine> Then don't use magic launcher. Install optifine directly
#1099 [23:42] <zkxs> which optifine did you download?
#1100 [23:43] <zkxs> 'optifine C light' is for 1.1, so it would be the wrong version
#1101 [23:44] <zkxs> ilikemilk456: ^
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