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#3 [00:26] <Richy> guys, will downloading catalyst driver change anything that shouldnt be changed?
#4 [00:27] <GreyVulpine> Shouldn't..
#5 [00:29] <WuggsBoson> if we get enough helper bots in here they will become sentient and take over the channel, and probably harvest us meat bags for our thermal energy matrixesque
#6 [00:31] <Richy> it happened again
#7 [00:31] <Richy> http://pastebin.com/WU3kuxLq
#8 [00:31] <Richy> i just did that
#9 [00:32] <Richy> come on!
#10 [00:32] <GreyVulpine> It's a bot auto-response.
#11 [00:32] <GreyVulpine> Let me see if I can find a better driver.
#12 [00:32] <Richy> no i mean the fact i just went through that installation for nothing
#13 [00:32] <Richy> i dont even understant drivers
#14 [00:33] <GreyVulpine> Okay. Let me put it this way. Do you drive?
#15 [00:33] <Richy> and why is there no resources or stats or saves file created in .minecraft? i had to put them in from my other comp
#16 [00:33] <Richy> no i dont drive im 15
#17 [00:33] <GreyVulpine> So, if I gave you a car, you wouldn't know how to drive it, correct?
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#19 [00:33] <Richy> correct
#20 [00:34] <GreyVulpine> I would need to teach you how to drive, so that you can use a car.
#21 [00:34] <Richy> yes...
#22 [00:34] <GreyVulpine> A computer is the same way. When you put in a video card, it doesn't automatically know how to use it to its fullest potencial. It needs to be taught, with software (or rather, a driver), to be able to use that video card
#23 [00:35] <Richy> ahh
#24 [00:35] <GreyVulpine> As with any piece of hardware that you attach to a computer. It needs a driver to be able to communicate with it.
#25 [00:35] <Richy> ok
#26 [00:35] <GreyVulpine> Richy - Try http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/windows/Legacy/Pages/radeonaiw_vista32.aspx?type=2.4.1&product=2.4.1.3.13&lang=English
#27 [00:35] <GreyVulpine> If that doesn't work, the video card may just be too old to run minecraft successfully.
#28 [00:36] <Richy> i think this might just be the one i just got
#29 [00:36] <Richy> which one do i download
#30 [00:36] <GreyVulpine> It's a different one from the one I showed you earlier
#31 [00:36] <GreyVulpine> Use the "Full software suite"
#32 [00:37] <Richy> k its downloading
#33 [00:37] <Richy> man if this comp doesnt run minecraft that would suck
#34 [00:37] <Richy> i just got it for my b-day, and i got it cause i was wanting a new comp for minecraft
#35 [00:37] <Richy> 4%
#36 [00:38] <Richy> 6%
#37 [00:38] <GreyVulpine> This computer seems to be at least a number of years old.
#38 [00:38] <Richy> quite
#39 [00:38] <Richy> just got repaired
#40 [00:38] <Richy> 9%
#41 [00:38] <GreyVulpine> Even though it's running windows 7, the video card in it is an aging ATI radeon 9600. It's several generations behind the current model.
#42 [00:38] <Richy> can i change the video card?
#43 [00:39] <Richy> 11%
#44 [00:39] <GreyVulpine> As it's a desktop model, yes.
#45 [00:39] <Richy> itl jump to a high %, it alway does
#46 [00:39] <Richy> so basically, there is hope that minecraft will run on this computer?
#47 [00:39] <Richy> 14%
#48 [00:40] <SmilingDevil> Richy, what CPU do you have?
#49 [00:40] <Richy> this is taking longer than the other
#50 [00:40] <GreyVulpine> With a new(er) video card, sure. With the radeon 9600, I can't say for sure
#51 [00:40] <Richy> cpu? wat do u mean by that
#52 [00:40] <SmilingDevil> CPU > Graphics when it comes to Minecraft
#53 [00:40] <GreyVulpine> Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz (2 CPUs), ~3.0GHz
#54 [00:40] <SmilingDevil> What processor do you have?
#55 [00:40] <GreyVulpine> It's a current computer-ish
#56 [00:40] <Richy> idk i havent gotten minecraft to run
#57 [00:40] <SmilingDevil> They still make P4's?
#58 [00:40] <Richy> processor...umm
#59 [00:40] <SmilingDevil> *shrug*
#60 [00:40] <Richy> checking
#61 [00:40] <GreyVulpine> From 4-5 years ago.
#62 [00:41] <SmilingDevil> Richy, Start Button > Right Click Computer > Properties
#63 [00:41] <SmilingDevil> It should tell you the processor
#64 [00:41] * GreyVulpine prods SmilingDevil with http://pastebin.com/tnVKSc9z
#64 [00:41] <GreyVulpine> He's already done a dxdiag
#65 [00:41] <Richy> umm its here i just cant copy it gotta write it
#66 [00:41] <Richy> 33%
#67 [00:42] <Richy> intel(R)pentium(R) 4 cpu 3.00ghz 3.00ghz
#68 [00:43] <Richy> 43%
#69 [00:43] <Richy> wow 2 gb of ram? that is really a step up from 1gb i was expecting more.........
#70 [00:43] <Richy> well at least this comp can get more ram put into it
#71 [00:44] <Richy> 51%
#72 [00:45] <Richy> 59%
#73 [00:45] <Richy> 66%
#74 [00:46] <Richy> 72%
#75 [00:47] <Richy> how do u get ur name o go red like that?
#76 [00:47] <Richy> *to
#77 [00:47] <GreyVulpine> By mentioning your name Richy.
#78 [00:48] <Richy> ooh i see
#79 [00:48] <Richy> im used to mibbit so....
#80 [00:48] <Richy> 85%
#81 [00:48] <Richy> 90
#82 [00:49] <Richy> *90%
#83 [00:49] <Richy> 95%
#84 [00:49] <Richy> 98%
#85 [00:50] <Richy> 99%!
#86 [00:50] <Richy> aaand done
#87 [00:50] <GreyVulpine> Reboot the computer, then try minecraft
#88 [00:51] <Richy> u thought i was saying how done it wasfor installing didnt u
#89 [00:51] <GreyVulpine> Was that just for downloading it?
#90 [00:51] <Richy> yes, but its goin faster now
#91 [00:51] <Richy> much faster
#92 [00:51] <Richy> 1/3 done installing
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#94 [00:58] <Richy2> Something happened
#95 [00:58] <GreyVulpine> "Something"?
#96 [00:58] <Richy2> The screen WENT COMPLETELY WACKO
#97 [00:58] <Richy2> what do I do?
#98 [00:58] <Richy2> It's like staticky
#99 [00:58] <Richy2> It said screen may flicker
#100 [00:58] <GreyVulpine> It does that during install of video drivers. It should go back to normal when the drivers are done
#101 [00:58] <Richy2> Or go black
#102 [00:59] <Richy2> It's been like that for a while.....
#103 [00:59] <Richy2> Are u sure
#104 [00:59] <Richy2> I mean like staticky and flashing and its pink rigt now and all fuzzy
#105 [01:00] <GreyVulpine> That, shouldn't happen...
#106 [01:00] <Richy2> Really?
#107 [01:00] <Richy2> What do I do?
#108 [01:01] <GreyVulpine> Do you see if the video drivers have finished installing yet?
#109 [01:01] <Richy2> It's like tv static but tiled over and per again
#110 [01:01] <Richy2> *over
#111 [01:01] <Richy2> No
#112 [01:01] <oldtopman> Richy2: When they finish, try a reboot.
#113 [01:01] <Richy2> It's completely like this the mouse just makes the small area darker
#114 [01:02] <oldtopman> Power cycling the monitor might help, but yeah.
#115 [01:02] <Scott> So I bought an iPad today.
#116 [01:02] <oldtopman> Scott: ohai
#117 [01:02] <Richy2> How will I know when it's dOne
#118 [01:02] <Scott> I bought a case for it and I don't think I like the case lol
#119 [01:03] <GreyVulpine> Wait a little bit, then reboot the computer.
#120 [01:04] <Richy2> How will I reboot it
#121 [01:04] <GreyVulpine> If you can't do it through the computer, power-cycle it through the tower.
#122 [01:04] <Richy2> What?
#123 [01:04] <Richy2> Tower?
#124 [01:05] <GreyVulpine> The physical box of the computer
#125 [01:05] <Richy2> Wat do u mean tower?
#126 [01:05] <Richy2> Oh
#127 [01:05] <Richy2> So press the power button?
#128 [01:07] <GreyVulpine> Press the power button, hold it in for 5 seconds until the power to the computer turns off. Then press it again to boot it back up
#129 [01:07] <Richy2> Km I think it's time
#130 [01:07] <Richy2> *kk
#131 [01:08] <Richy2> I just shut it off
#132 [01:08] <Richy2> Turnin it on now
#133 [01:09] <Richy2> Start windows normally or safe mode?
#134 [01:09] <GreyVulpine> normally for now
#135 [01:09] <Richy2> Crap too late start normally, oh good
#136 [01:10] <Richy2> No.
#137 [01:10] <Richy2> No
#138 [01:10] <Richy2> No
#139 [01:10] <Richy2> No
#140 [01:10] <Richy2> No
#141 [01:10] <Richy2> OH GOD
#142 [01:10] <Richy2> NO IS MY COMP FUCKED
#143 [01:10] * AuBot kicked Richy2 from #minecrafthelp (Reason: ichy2 :Please keep it civil.)
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#145 [01:11] <Richy2> My bad
#146 [01:11] <Richy2> Please Moho
#147 [01:11] <Richy2> *noho
#148 [01:11] <Richy2> Is my comp screwed?
#149 [01:11] <GreyVulpine> Try a reboot into safe mode, uninstall and reinstall those drivers again
#150 [01:11] <Richy2> Idk what to do I'm scared my parents will kill me
#151 [01:11] <Richy2> Ok
#152 [01:12] <Richy2> Please work
#153 [01:12] <Richy2> Please pleas
#154 [01:12] <Richy2> I just got this thing if it's screwed I'm screwed
#155 [01:13] <Richy2> YES!
#156 [01:13] <Richy2> Normal screen
#157 [01:13] <Richy2> Ok so now what
#158 [01:14] <GreyVulpine> Uninstall the drivers through the control panel -> programs and features.
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#160 [01:14] <GreyVulpine> Reinstall the drivers through the file again
#161 [01:14] <Richy> kk im on my comps irc now
#162 [01:15] <Richy> whats it called?
#163 [01:15] <GreyVulpine> ATI display driver?
#164 [01:16] <Richy> not on there. ati catalyst install manager?
#165 [01:16] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, click there, go to "Change"
#166 [01:16] <GreyVulpine> Should be an option to uninstall drivers from there.
#167 [01:17] <Richy> uh oh not available in safe mode
#168 [01:17] <Richy> said somethin about system restore, should i think about that?
#169 [01:19] <Richy> dude?
#170 [01:19] <Richy> what about repair?
#171 [01:20] <GreyVulpine> You can certainly try..
#172 [01:22] <Richy> the windows installer service could not be acsessed. this can occur if windows instakker is not correctly installed. contact your support personel for assistance. shrt version: im F**ed
#173 [01:22] <Richy> *short
#174 [01:22] <Richy> *installer
#175 [01:23] <GreyVulpine> You could try a program like Driver Sweeper in Safe Mode to nuke those drivers: http://phyxion.net/item/driver-sweeper.html
#176 [01:24] <clarjon1> heh, windows, the operating system where it's common to kill your system by installing the things it needs -_-
#177 [01:25] <Richy> so want me to do the percentage thing again =)
#178 [01:25] <Richy> nah its goin pretty fast
#179 [01:26] <Richy> already 50% now 55
#180 [01:26] <Richy> 60%
#181 [01:26] <Richy> i cant keep up!
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#183 [01:27] <oldtopman> clarjon1: You're a linux user?
#184 [01:27] <clarjon1> That's right
#185 [01:27] * oldtopman brofists
#185 [01:27] <Richy> so what now its installed?
#186 [01:27] <Sunshinedust> Oh.
#187 [01:27] <clarjon1> Tho i do know my way around mac and windows quite well
#188 [01:27] <Sunshinedust> ....
#189 [01:27] <oldtopman> Preferred flavor?
#190 [01:28] <Richy> and so is avg -.-
#191 [01:28] <Sunshinedust> Hi
#192 [01:28] <clarjon1> currently, Mint
#193 [01:28] <Sunshinedust> I keep getting an error message when I try to play.
#194 [01:28] <Sunshinedust> Can anyone help me?
#195 [01:28] <WugBot> Sunshinedust: (ww) Help you with what? Please describe the problem in detail.
#196 [01:28] <GreyVulpine> Richy - Run it, nuke the ATI video drivers
#197 [01:28] <clarjon1> Sunshinedust: not until you give us more details, such as the exact error
#198 [01:28] <GreyVulpine> Then reinstall with the ATI drivers afterwards
#199 [01:28] <Sunshinedust> Bad video card drivers!
#200 [01:28] <Sunshinedust> -----------------------
#201 [01:28] <Sunshinedust> Minecraft was unable to start because it failed to find an accelerated OpenGL mode.
#202 [01:28] <Sunshinedust> This can usually be fixed by updating the video card drivers.
#203 [01:28] <Sunshinedust> --- BEGIN ERROR REPORT 7fe0271 --------
#204 [01:28] <clarjon1> Sunshinedust: Try updating your video drivers
#205 [01:29] <Sunshinedust> I did that.
#206 [01:29] <Sunshinedust> I send to send the message.
#207 [01:29] <Sunshinedust> >.>
#208 [01:29] <clarjon1> Did you use Windows Update, or go to the manufacturer's website?
#209 [01:29] <Richy> there is a list....what do i click? there are checkboxes
#210 [01:29] <Sunshinedust> Manufacturer's.
#211 [01:29] <Sunshinedust> And Windows.
#212 [01:29] <clarjon1> What is your card?
#213 [01:29] <GreyVulpine> Whenever you see a video driver for ATI, check it.
#214 [01:29] <Sunshinedust> How do I find that?
#215 [01:30] <Richy> whatabout amd?
#216 [01:30] <Sunshinedust> The manufacturer had an application that gave me all the updates I need through the service tag
#217 [01:30] <GreyVulpine> ATI - display and AMD -display had the same thing
#218 [01:30] <GreyVulpine> er, are
#219 [01:31] <clarjon1> Sunshinedust: press the windows key and the r key at the same time
#220 [01:31] <clarjon1> and in the dialog that pops up, enter:
#221 [01:31] <clarjon1> dxdiag
#222 [01:31] <clarjon1> Then hit enter.
#223 [01:31] <clarjon1> when dxdiag fires up, there will be a button to save the information
#224 [01:32] <clarjon1> click that, save.
#225 [01:32] <Sunshinedust> ....
#226 [01:32] <clarjon1> Open the file in notepad or another text editor, select all, copy.
#227 [01:32] <Sunshinedust> I presed windows and r
#228 [01:32] <Sunshinedust> nothing happened.
#229 [01:32] <clarjon1> Sunshinedust: at the same time?
#230 [01:32] <Sunshinedust> Yes
#231 [01:32] <clarjon1> That is...
#232 [01:32] <clarjon1> Highly unusual.
#233 [01:33] <clarjon1> You are pressing the windows logo key on your keyboard, yes?
#234 [01:33] <Sunshinedust> My computer has been down syndrome scene I sent it to The Geek Squad.
#235 [01:33] <clarjon1> oooooooooo.
#236 [01:33] <Sunshinedust> yes, I am.
#237 [01:33] <clarjon1> Geek squad. Ouch.
#238 [01:34] <Sunshinedust> I can't use my wireless without disabling the driver signature enforcement every time I turn my comp on
#239 [01:34] <Sunshinedust> This is frustrating.
#240 [01:34] <clarjon1> That... that's not good.
#241 [01:34] <clarjon1> okay
#242 [01:34] <Sunshinedust> The worst part.
#243 [01:34] <clarjon1> What version of windows?
#244 [01:34] <Sunshinedust> Windows 7
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#246 [01:35] <Sunshinedust> It could probably redo everything.
#247 [01:35] <Sunshinedust> If I had the DISKS.
#248 [01:35] <Richy> GUESS WHAT DIDNT WORK\
#249 [01:35] <Richy> nah it worked fine
#250 [01:35] <clarjon1> Richy: please don't shout.
#251 [01:35] <Richy> but it is bedtime for me and this is a good time to leave off
#252 [01:35] <Richy> sorry...ill text whisper
#253 [01:36] <Richy> so thanks for ur help. see ya tommorow probably
#254 [01:36] <Richy> goooooobyee
#255 [01:36] <Sunshinedust> It worked.
#256 [01:36] <Sunshinedust> Maybe I wasn't hitting them at the same time.
#257 [01:36] <Sunshinedust> That's a little sad. >.>
#258 [01:36] <clarjon1> could be that the windows key isn't working 100%
#259 [01:36] <clarjon1> it happens.
#260 [01:37] <Sunshinedust> Now what?
#261 [01:37] <clarjon1> type in: dxdiag
#262 [01:37] <clarjon1> and run that
#263 [01:37] <Sunshinedust> Oh
#264 [01:37] <Sunshinedust> I did that
#265 [01:37] <Sunshinedust> I saved everything
#266 [01:37] <Sunshinedust> What do I do after that?
#267 [01:37] <clarjon1> ah
#268 [01:37] <clarjon1> open it up in note pad
#269 [01:37] <clarjon1> select all, copy
#270 [01:37] <clarjon1> then go to http://www.pastebin.com/
#271 [01:38] <clarjon1> paste it in there and submit
#272 [01:38] <clarjon1> then give us the URL
#273 [01:38] <Sunshinedust> http://pastebin.com/Z2GUvUy1
#274 [01:38] <GreyVulpine> neat, no video drivers installed
#275 [01:38] <Sunshinedust> I've installed them.
#276 [01:39] <clarjon1> it's not using them
#277 [01:39] <Sunshinedust> What is this computer's malfunction.
#278 [01:39] <Sunshinedust> ?*
#279 [01:39] <clarjon1> it's using the generic low level drivers
#280 [01:39] <Sunshinedust> What should I do.
#281 [01:39] <Sunshinedust> Do you know?
#282 [01:40] <clarjon1> wow, intel has no downloads for it that i can see
#283 [01:40] <clarjon1> Is this a laptop or a desktop?
#284 [01:40] <Sunshinedust> laptop
#285 [01:40] <clarjon1> ooof.
#286 [01:41] <Sunshinedust> ^___^
#287 [01:41] <clarjon1> How old is it?
#288 [01:41] <Sunshinedust> four months?
#289 [01:41] <Sunshinedust> or so.
#290 [01:41] <Sunshinedust> No more than 6.
#291 [01:42] <GreyVulpine> Apparently it's running a "Intel Graphics Media Accelerator HD"
#292 [01:42] <Sunshinedust> I don't know what that means.
#293 [01:42] <clarjon1> sounds like something for watching video, not playing games.
#294 [01:43] <GreyVulpine> Can try finding drivers for it from intel's site, but I doubt minecraft will run well on it
#295 [01:43] <clarjon1> or from Dell's site
#296 [01:43] <Sunshinedust> What do I need to do?
#297 [01:44] <clarjon1> oooo
#298 [01:44] <clarjon1> I think i found a driver download
#299 [01:44] <clarjon1> http://www.laptop-software.com/dell/dell-inspiron-n4010-windows-7-drivers/
#300 [01:45] <Sunshinedust> PDF reader?
#301 [01:45] <clarjon1> wut
#302 [01:46] <clarjon1> anywho, i'm off to bed now
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#304 [01:46] <Sunshinedust> Thank you
#305 [01:46] <Sunshinedust> I appreciate your help
#306 [01:46] <clarjon1> hope you can get it runnin'
#307 [01:47] <Sunshinedust> Me too!
#308 [01:48] <clarjon1> But, as a general rule, Intel drivers tend to not like 3D games much
#309 [01:48] <clarjon1> Mobile chips even more so.
#310 [01:50] <Sunshinedust> This sucks.
#311 [01:50] <Sunshinedust> I can't win.
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#314 [01:54] <darknessmazterb> hello?
#315 [01:54] <darknessmazterb> hola?
#316 [01:54] <GreyVulpine> Bonjour
#317 [01:54] <GreyVulpine> Salud
#318 [01:55] <GreyVulpine> Ca va?
#319 [01:55] <darknessmazterb> OH HI UMM I GOT A PROBLEM WITH MY MINECRAFT
#320 [01:55] <GreyVulpine> AND WHAT PROBLEM WOULD THAT BE?
#321 [01:55] <GreyVulpine> HELLO?
#322 [01:56] <darknessmazterb> I HAVE THE FULL VERCION OF MINECRAFT BUT WHEN I TRY TO LOG IN I CAN'T AND I GOT IT FROM 1.6.6
#323 [01:56] <clarjon1> dammit you guys, im trying to sleep. Hard to do wth all the shouting.
#324 [01:56] <GreyVulpine> darknessmazterb - DID YOU PURCHASE MINECRAFT?
#325 [01:56] <darknessmazterb> sorry for caps
#326 [01:56] <darknessmazterb> yes i did
#327 [01:57] <darknessmazterb> my gamertag is darknessmazterb
#328 [01:57] <GreyVulpine> And what happens when you try to log in?
#329 [01:57] <clarjon1> !check darknessmazterb
#330 [01:57] <clarjon1> hm.
#331 [01:57] <clarjon1> !paid darknessmazterb
#332 [01:58] <darknessmazterb> it says password and username not found
#333 [01:58] <darknessmazterb> =C
#334 [01:58] <GreyVulpine> Try resetting your password through: http://www.minecraft.net/resetpassword
#335 [01:58] <darknessmazterb> ok give me a sec
#336 [01:59] <darknessmazterb> oh and when i try to log in to minecraft launcher it says login failed
#337 [02:00] <GreyVulpine> That would mean you're putting in your password incorrectly
#338 [02:00] <darknessmazterb> no i put it correctly im 100%sure
#339 [02:00] <GreyVulpine> The error message says otherwise
#340 [02:00] <GreyVulpine> The error message says otherwise
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#343 [02:12] <darknessmazterb> be right back
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#347 [02:58] <paulens12> hello
#348 [02:58] <paulens12> :D
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#350 [03:02] <r2s2> How can one get the 1.2.4 server jar? Want to install an IC server. For the client Nostalgia exists but what should one do for the server?
#351 [03:03] <KleptoKat> Instead of IC, I recommend Tekkit
#352 [03:03] <paulens12> IC?
#353 [03:04] <paulens12> lol
#354 [03:04] <KleptoKat> It's really simple to install, and also your users to have to go through a complicated drag n drop process
#355 [03:04] <paulens12> i think server jar is almost the same
#356 [03:04] <paulens12> i've created a server with computercraft
#357 [03:04] <paulens12> just took 1.2.5 jar and installed mod for 1.2.4
#358 [03:05] <paulens12> and it works :P
#359 [03:05] <KleptoKat> It depends on what it modifys
#360 [03:06] <paulens12> kleptokat computercraft adds computers to minecraft, that means blocks and "turtles" (like programmable mobs)
#361 [03:06] <KleptoKat> I know that. I love ComputerCraft. What I'm saying is that it depends on which class it modifys.
#362 [03:06] <KleptoKat> This conversation is irrelevant.
#363 [03:06] <paulens12> oh
#364 [03:07] <KleptoKat> Lol.
#365 [03:08] <paulens12> they both use modloadermp and forge :D
#366 [03:08] <paulens12> the same classes :D
#367 [03:08] <KleptoKat> Those aren't classes, those are other mods which they depend on. Classes are the code which it lies in. It's the JAVA.
#368 [03:15] <r2s2> Tekkit looks very interesting - will try that out. Any other option?
#369 [03:16] <KleptoKat> Not really, The Technic Launcher offers lots of cool modpacks, though.
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#388 [05:03] <wikkit> My kids play minecraft; we have bought one account.
#389 [05:04] <wikkit> I'm just thinking about setting up a server
#390 [05:04] <wikkit> on our LAN.
#391 [05:04] <wikkit> If I do this, I can use one machine as the server
#392 [05:04] <wikkit> but can both kids then connect to it
#393 [05:04] <wikkit> with just one account?
#394 [05:04] <wikkit> We have the exe installed on several machines.
#395 [05:07] <Calinou> wikkit, one account cannot be connected to a single server several times, unless you're using offline-mode (and I'm not even sure it would work)
#396 [05:07] <GreyVulpine> It would not
#397 [05:07] <GreyVulpine> You would need one account for each person that joins
#398 [05:07] <wikkit> I thought so but somehow couldn't see the logic.
#399 [05:07] <wikkit> If I removed my LAN from the internet entirely
#400 [05:07] <wikkit> then how does the set-up know what is going on?
#401 [05:08] <wikkit> How can the server even authenticate a login?
#402 [05:10] <GreyVulpine> Without a connection to the internet, all clients will login with "Player" as the default playername
#403 [05:10] <GreyVulpine> There cannot be more than one of the same name connecting to a server. Multiple "player"s will boot the other ones off
#404 [05:10] <wikkit> Thanks for the information!
#405 [05:11] <wikkit> Oh -- another question.
#406 [05:12] <wikkit> Say my LAN is connected to the internet so logins can be authenticated.
#407 [05:12] <wikkit> Can one of my kids log in to my LAN server
#408 [05:12] <wikkit> and another kid log into another server
#409 [05:12] <wikkit> using the same UID?
#410 [05:12] <wikkit> i.e. is it one login per server
#411 [05:12] <wikkit> or one login full stop?
#412 [05:12] <Calinou> the kid will not be able to log in
#413 [05:12] <Calinou> one username at once.
#414 [05:13] <wikkit> Right -- I asked because if it was one per server then my kids could just ask one of their friends for their uid/login!
#415 [05:13] <wikkit> which would be a bit daft if it was not what was intended.
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#423 [05:51] <DylanBossBelgium> Hello,i want to start up the minecraftlauncher,nothing shows up. I installed java 6/7 and tried the 2 but nothing works. Please,can i get some help?
#424 [05:52] <GreyVulpine> What operating system are you on?
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#437 [06:50] <paulens12> wikkit use cracked launcher... that seems legit in this case, since it's your private server on your LAN :)
#438 [06:51] <paulens12> kleptokat said: Those aren't classes, those are other mods which they depend on. Classes are the code which it lies in. It's the JAVA.
#439 [06:51] <paulens12> lol
#440 [06:51] <paulens12> those ARE classes xD
#441 [06:51] <paulens12> the class files you replace in .jar :)
#442 [06:53] <GreyVulpine> Please don't suggest using a cracked anything in this channel.
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#445 [07:02] <paulens12> ... dude it's a PRIVATE server...
#446 [07:03] <GreyVulpine> Dude. No.
#447 [07:04] <paulens12> dude. yes
#448 [07:04] <paulens12> he said in LAN
#449 [07:04] <GreyVulpine> So?
#450 [07:04] <paulens12> he won't even open a port in his router...
#451 [07:04] <paulens12> SO?!
#452 [07:04] <paulens12> LAN = PRIVATE
#453 [07:04] <GreyVulpine> Does that mean he should pirate all the games, since he'll just be running it in a LAN?
#454 [07:04] <paulens12> dude
#455 [07:04] <paulens12> it's not pirating
#456 [07:04] <GreyVulpine> Dude. No.
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#458 [07:04] <GreyVulpine> End of story
#459 [07:04] <paulens12> he HAS an account
#460 [07:04] <paulens12> dude. yes
#461 [07:04] <paulens12> and shut up
#462 [07:04] <GreyVulpine> He has ONE account
#463 [07:05] <paulens12> yes
#464 [07:05] <GreyVulpine> He wants to play on multiple computers
#465 [07:05] <paulens12> and?
#466 [07:05] <GreyVulpine> Minecraft is set up so that is not possible.
#467 [07:05] <paulens12> ....
#468 [07:05] <GreyVulpine> You need multiple accounts to do so
#469 [07:05] <paulens12> he wan's to play in one home
#470 [07:05] <AmberK> What's up? o3o
#471 [07:05] <GreyVulpine> So?
#472 [07:05] <paulens12> for his children...
#473 [07:05] <paulens12> maybe they will get bored soon
#474 [07:05] <Boreeas> That discussion seems familiar.
#475 [07:05] <GreyVulpine> I don't care. Mojang has it set up that way
#476 [07:05] <paulens12> and what then?
#477 [07:05] <paulens12> then he paid for nothing...
#478 [07:05] <GreyVulpine> He has the ability to pay for additional accounts
#479 [07:05] <GreyVulpine> He paid for one account
#480 [07:05] <paulens12> dude
#481 [07:05] <paulens12> that costs a thing
#482 [07:06] <paulens12> called
#483 [07:06] <paulens12> MONEY
#484 [07:06] <GreyVulpine> His one child can join. Mojang has it set up so you need multiple accounts
#485 [07:06] <GreyVulpine> NO SHIT
#486 [07:06] <paulens12> well
#487 [07:06] <AmberK> erm, anyone care to explain the argument?
#488 [07:06] <paulens12> you're just too stupid to understand..
#489 [07:06] <paulens12> (that was to grayvulpine)
#490 [07:06] <Boreeas> ;kick paulens12 k
#491 [07:06] * WugBot kicked paulens12 from #minecrafthelp (Reason: aulens12 :k)
#492 [07:06] <GreyVulpine> AmberK - paulens12's advocating piracy so that somebody can play minecraft in a LAN.
#493 [07:06] <AmberK> piracy in what form
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#495 [07:06] <AmberK> stealing accounts?
#496 [07:06] <paulens12> nope
#497 [07:06] <GreyVulpine> Cracked client, to play in a LAN
#498 [07:06] <Boreeas> paulens12: Insults are not needed
#499 [07:07] <paulens12> a guy wants to create a server in LAN for his children with one account
#500 [07:07] <AmberK> are they advertising/asking for one?
#501 [07:07] <paulens12> nope
#502 [07:07] <AmberK> And that's perfectly acceptable to do, name-spoofing for lan
#503 [07:07] <GreyVulpine> They're advocating piracy as a solution
#504 [07:07] <paulens12> ...
#505 [07:07] <GreyVulpine> That is not something we take kindly around here.
#506 [07:07] <AmberK> Just in a very technical sense
#507 [07:07] <paulens12> ok i told you're too stupid
#508 [07:07] <GreyVulpine> !kb paulens12
#509 [07:07] * VoxelHead kicked paulens12 from #minecrafthelp (Reason: aulens12 :Banned)
#510 [07:07] * GreyVulpine waves
#510 [07:07] <AmberK> paul, not necessary
#511 [07:08] <AmberK> The thing is
#512 [07:08] <AmberK> notch's own view on piracy
#513 [07:08] <AmberK> is that it will more than likely bring the people to eventually buy the game
#514 [07:08] <GreyVulpine> I'm very well aware of Notch's views on Piracy
#515 [07:09] <GreyVulpine> The issue was this. A person got on, asking if he was able to set up a LAN server for his two kids to play on, with one MC account. We told him no.
#516 [07:10] <GreyVulpine> If he wanted to play with two computers on a server, he would need to purchase another account (which is true.)
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#518 [07:10] <GreyVulpine> Paulens12 remarked about using a cracked client, advocating that since it's a LAN server, it's all good.
#519 [07:10] <Gurkenglas> On F11, my Minecraft crashed. It does this frequently. http://pastebin.com/9K952N4D
#520 [07:13] <GreyVulpine> Gurkenglas - Hmm. Looks like a java problem.
#521 [07:13] <AmberK> Ohh
#522 [07:13] <AmberK> I made a name-change script for startup
#523 [07:13] <AmberK> it's a lot better than getting a client lol
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#525 [07:14] <GreyVulpine> Now, I really don't care how you do it, but cracked clients and this channel.. don't get along.
#526 [07:14] <AmberK> Well, mine's a mere batch file so lol
#527 [07:14] <GreyVulpine> Malware and trojans aside, we just don't suggest that sort of thing here.
#528 [07:14] <AmberK> I know
#529 [07:14] <AmberK> I clear about
#530 [07:14] <AmberK> 2-5 a day (if I find them first)
#531 [07:14] <AmberK> in servers
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#534 [07:20] <Gurkenglas> I also heard that it happens to other people too
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#536 [07:21] <Calinou> frenchie spotted
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#541 [07:35] <Gurkenglas> It happened again
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#543 [07:35] <Gurkenglas> Calinou, wat?
#544 [07:40] <Calinou> nevermind
#545 [07:42] <AmberK> was wondering that too
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#552 [08:08] <mib_a47gq4> You R haccking files on my computer~!!!
#553 [08:08] <mib_a47gq4> this is illigle and I will sue your whoal compiny
#554 [08:08] <mib_a47gq4> But first I will tell every1 nevar to buy youre stupid game agin
#555 [08:08] <DiskDaemon> pardon?
#556 [08:10] <DiskDaemon> What a strangely disturbed individual that was.
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#559 [08:13] <Calinou> DiskDaemon, I'll make some "funniest things in this channel" txt file
#560 [08:13] <Calinou> going to add him in
#561 [08:13] <DiskDaemon> nice idea
#562 [08:14] <GreyVulpine> The stories from this channel I can tell you...
#563 [08:14] <Morrolan> Shush, go back into your rocking chair, grandpa.
#564 [08:14] * GreyVulpine shakes cane at Morrolan
#564 [08:14] <Calinou> 8)
#565 [08:14] <Calinou> done
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#567 [08:15] <Boreeas> Yeah, no, that was a troll: http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The-Core-Launcher.aspx
#568 [08:16] <DiskDaemon> cute
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#579 [08:42] <mib_u0gkse> mm
#580 [08:42] <AmberK> hm?
#581 [08:42] <mib_u0gkse> mm
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#589 [09:05] <Gurkenglas> What are the default spawn coordinates on SSP?
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#591 [09:07] <Gurkenglas> How do I look up the coords of my bed in the save file?
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#593 [09:07] <sparts> this channel accepts mod help/
#594 [09:07] <sparts> or not?
#595 [09:07] <Gurkenglas> Better go to #risucraft or the corresponding mod
#596 [09:07] <GreyVulpine> If you can offer mod help, we welcome it
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#598 [09:08] <sparts> mod help for me, that is
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#600 [09:08] <sparts> risucraft it is
#601 [09:09] <Morrolan> Unless you're developing a mod, don't bother with risucraft, they'll only throw something at your head. ;D
#602 [09:10] <DiskDaemon> so it's risucraft for developing a mod, and where for help on installing one?
#603 [09:10] <GreyVulpine> It would be #risucraft, on a good day
#604 [09:11] <DiskDaemon> ahh.
#605 [09:11] <mib_ptpzgf> Can someone help i have a downloading terrain problem with a server
#606 [09:12] <GreyVulpine> On many days though, people get tired of the "How do I install Mod X" for the billionth time.
#607 [09:12] <GreyVulpine> mib_ptpzgf - Does it do this for other servers?
#608 [09:13] <mib_ptpzgf> no
#609 [09:13] <Gurkenglas> I made myself a compass and followed it, but it lead me to a random place, I think spawn
#610 [09:13] <Gurkenglas> Where my bed at
#611 [09:14] <GreyVulpine> mib_ptpzgf - Most likely, your player profile is corrupted on that specific server. Tell the server's admin to delete your playername.dat file from the server
#612 [09:14] <GreyVulpine> Gurkenglas - If you slept in the bed last, go jump off a cliff. You should respawn there.
#613 [09:15] <mib_ptpzgf> k ill try thanx
#614 [09:15] <GreyVulpine> The compass only points to the original spawn point of the map
#615 [09:15] <Gurkenglas> But half of my stuff is in my hand! D:
#616 [09:16] <DiskDaemon> If your player profile is corrupted, you have already lost all of that stuff. You just didn't know it yet.
#617 [09:17] <Gurkenglas> Who said its corrupted?
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#619 [09:17] <Morrolan> Could ask the server admin to open it with INVEdit to backup your stuff.
#620 [09:17] <Gurkenglas> Its SSP
#621 [09:18] <Gurkenglas> Respawned it via creative :I
#622 [09:18] <Morrolan> Then you could just give yourself the stuff back with Creative or INVEdit, yea.
#623 [09:18] <DiskDaemon> my bad, it's long bast time for me to sleep
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#630 [09:40] <ToonamiLives> Hello
#631 [09:40] <ToonamiLives> I need some help with my minecraft server.
#632 [09:41] <GreyVulpine> What kind of help?
#633 [09:42] <ToonamiLives> IP related issues. For starters, how do i get an IP? (i went through the port-forwarding stuff)
#634 [09:43] <GreyVulpine> Your public IP can be found at sites like whatismyip.org or ipchicken.com
#635 [09:44] <ToonamiLives> And that's what i use to get into my server, correct?
#636 [09:44] <GreyVulpine> Sure.
#637 [09:44] <Boreeas> ;check ToonamiLives
#638 [09:44] <WugBot> Unable to connect to address: 173-9-185-254-miami.txt.hfc.comcastbusiness.net:25565 (Timed out)
#639 [09:45] <AmberK> that external ip
#640 [09:45] <AmberK> is what you give others
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#642 [09:45] <AmberK> you will either use your local or 127.0.0.1
#643 [09:45] <USUCKDICK> u fuking suck
#644 [09:46] <AmberK> !b usuckdick
#645 [09:46] <AmberK> crap
#646 [09:46] <GreyVulpine> !kb USUCKDICK
#647 [09:46] * GreyBot kicked USUCKDICK from #minecrafthelp (Reason: SUCKDICK :<Kicks:925>)
#648 [09:46] <ToonamiLives> Whew. Good Riddance.
#649 [09:46] <AmberK> oooh its kb
#650 [09:46] <AmberK> wait that's kick
#651 [09:48] <ToonamiLives> Ok, after THAT interupption, back to me. Can you test the server to make sure it works?
#652 [09:48] <GreyVulpine> ;check ToonamiLives
#653 [09:48] <WugBot> Unable to connect to address: 173-9-185-254-miami.txt.hfc.comcastbusiness.net:25565 (Timed out)
#654 [09:48] <GreyVulpine> Doesn't seem like the server's running ToonamiLives
#655 [09:48] <AmberK> What IP did you put into your port forwarding toonami?
#656 [09:49] <ToonamiLives> Hang on. AH! It's not running! :) Sorry about that! (turn the server on.)
#657 [09:49] <Calinou> ToonamiLives, you must put your internal IP to port forward, this depends of your router
#658 [09:49] <Calinou> usually something like 192.168.1.<number>, maybe.
#659 [09:49] <GreyVulpine> ;check ToonamiLives
#660 [09:49] <WugBot> Unable to connect to address: 173-9-185-254-miami.txt.hfc.comcastbusiness.net:25565 (Timed out)
#661 [09:49] <Calinou> forward the port 25565 in TCP (very important, minecraft [unfortunately] uses TCP)
#662 [09:50] <Calinou> 25565 being the default server port
#663 [09:50] <ToonamiLives> It should work now.
#664 [09:50] <GreyVulpine> ;check ToonamiLives
#665 [09:50] <Boreeas> ;check ToonamiLives
#666 [09:50] <WugBot> Unable to connect to address: 173-9-185-254-miami.txt.hfc.comcastbusiness.net:25565 (Timed out)
#667 [09:50] <WugBot> Unable to connect to address: 173-9-185-254-miami.txt.hfc.comcastbusiness.net:25565 (Timed out)
#668 [09:50] <GreyVulpine> Erm, nope.
#669 [09:50] <ToonamiLives> .....
#670 [09:50] <Calinou> ToonamiLives, disabled your OS's firewall?
#671 [09:51] <ToonamiLives> Let me see,
#672 [09:51] <Calinou> OS firewalls are pretty much useless today. all routers have "hardware" firewalls
#673 [09:52] <ToonamiLives> Bingo! Norton is the cause of this! Turning off...NOW!
#674 [09:52] <Calinou> norton sucks
#675 [09:53] <AmberK> Check your OS'
#676 [09:53] <AmberK> s default as ell
#677 [09:53] <Calinou> ToonamiLives, to connect to your own server, use "localhost" or "127.0.0.1". both do the same, use the one you prefer :P
#678 [09:53] <Calinou> others will have to use your external IP - see http://whatismyip.org
#679 [09:53] <ToonamiLives> Try it now.
#680 [09:54] <GreyVulpine> ;check ToonamiLives
#681 [09:54] <WugBot> Unable to connect to address: 173-9-185-254-miami.txt.hfc.comcastbusiness.net:25565 (Timed out)
#682 [09:54] <Calinou> WugBot, y u use hostmask
#683 [09:54] <WugBot> u y u use hostmask ლ(ﾟдﾟლ)
#684 [09:55] <Calinou> lol
#685 [09:56] <ToonamiLives> I'll check the portfowarding stuff.\
#686 [09:57] <ToonamiLives> AH HA! I figured what's going on!
#687 [09:58] <Morrolan> ;check Morrolan:2600
#688 [09:58] <WugBot> Unable to determine the hostname of morrolan:2600. Nobody with that nickname seems to be online.
#689 [09:58] <Gurkenglas> hmm
#690 [09:58] <Gurkenglas> How do I get better research than per bookcase
#691 [09:58] <Calinou> Gurkenglas, use level 1 enchants, problem solved 8)
#692 [09:58] <Morrolan> Heh, so a colon is a valid character for an IRC nick?
#693 [09:58] <Calinou> enchants > level 1 are not worth it, statistically and practically
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#695 [09:59] <Calinou> Morrolan, no
#696 [09:59] <Gurkenglas> Didnt know enchants can into research
#697 [09:59] <Morrolan> Then WugBot is missing a feature. ;)
#698 [09:59] <Calinou> a-z A-Z 0-9 (hyphens, underscores)
#699 [09:59] <Calinou> Gurkenglas, what do you mean by that?
#700 [09:59] <Gurkenglas> I didnt know enchanted weapons/tools are good for research
#701 [10:00] <Gurkenglas> Should I use certain kinds of tools for best results?
#702 [10:00] <Gurkenglas> But as I cannot physically find diamonds, I will need a thaumic enchanter, and for that torturous theory I will need something better than bookcases
#703 [10:00] <Gurkenglas> Whats better than bookcases?
#704 [10:01] <DiskDaemon> I think that bookcases are the only way
#705 [10:01] <clarjon1> gurk
#706 [10:01] <clarjon1> this isn't skyrim
#707 [10:02] <clarjon1> :P
#708 [10:02] <Gurkenglas> clar, wat?
#709 [10:02] <Calinou> Gurkenglas, lol
#710 [10:02] <Gurkenglas> So 30 bookcases around the quaesitum is the maximum right?
#711 [10:02] <Morrolan> You're using a mod none of us has any knowledge about.
#712 [10:03] <Gurkenglas> Oh wait, lol sorry, wrong channel
#713 [10:03] <DiskDaemon> Here's what we know - http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Enchantment_Table
#714 [10:03] <Calinou> if you want proof that enchanting is half-a**ed, look here: http://cloud.github.com/downloads/Zazcallabah/mce/mce.v1.8.html
#715 [10:03] <clarjon1> Gurkenglas: we're here for vanilla support lol
#716 [10:03] <Gurkenglas> Thats not even the right item :P
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#718 [10:03] <Calinou> 30 bookshelves is the maximum, yes
#719 [10:03] <Gurkenglas> Yea, disregard my questions, everything rrrong
#720 [10:04] <Morrolan> Brain in a jar? hahaha.
#721 [10:04] <Morrolan> What a strange mod.
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#725 [10:38] <rymate1234> !haspaid TheCooli12345
#726 [10:38] <Morrolan> I believe it's just !paid
#727 [10:38] <rymate1234> olol
#728 [10:38] <rymate1234> !paid TheCooli12345
#729 [10:38] <rymate1234> ah
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#732 [10:57] <Mat> hi
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#734 [10:58] <Mat> i need help
#735 [11:00] <Mat> im getting a "internal exception java.net.SocketException" error after a couple minutes playing multiplayer
#736 [11:03] <NinjaKirby> http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/343/61786728.png Install some more of these
#737 [11:04] <NinjaKirby> /trolling
#738 [11:05] <NinjaKirby> Did that only error only start happening after an update? Or since the dawn of using Minecraft?
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#741 [11:06] <Mat> umm actually it worked fine on 1.2.5 untill yesterday when i got a blackout. Then the problem started. i restarted my router, reinstalled the game and jave..
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#743 [11:06] <Mat> java*
#744 [11:06] <NinjaKirby> Really, Java as well? I would have called that as the solution tbh.
#745 [11:07] <Mat> i uninstalled all the java i had. like jre, jdk .. and then reinstalled them all
#746 [11:08] <Mat> but the strange thing is that the same problem happens on all the computers in my house so probably has something to do with my router or modem
#747 [11:08] <paulens12> what's the problem?
#748 [11:08] <Mat> "internal exception java.net.SocketException" after about a minute of playing multiplayer
#749 [11:09] <paulens12> emmm
#750 [11:09] <paulens12> java reinstall won't help..
#751 [11:09] <DiskDaemon> Some potential solutions are at http://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101028005047AATvUyy
#752 [11:10] <Mat> it must have something to do with my network because it happens on all compuetrs. And yes i tried all these steps already but thanks
#753 [11:11] <DiskDaemon> So it seems to be due to a poor networking connection
#754 [11:12] <Mat> ok so if I wait a day or two it should be fine? Because it never happened before.
#755 [11:13] <DiskDaemon> while waiting investigation can occur to try and figure out where the connection is doing bad
#756 [11:13] <DiskDaemon> *going
#757 [11:17] <Mat> i dont think its my ISP because I'm not experiencing any lag or anything while playing other online games.
#758 [11:18] <Gurkenglas> To everyone who cares, Redpower for 1.2.5 is out, including frames. Thought some might wanna know.
#759 [11:20] <Mat> If any one finds something concerning the "internal exception java.net.SocketException" error, please let me know. I have read multiple forums, watch videos, and tutorials, but with no success. Thank You
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#761 [11:22] <DiskDaemon> Mat: "Thrown to indicate that there is an error in the underlying protocol, such as a TCP error." http://docs.oracle.com/javase/1.3/docs/api/java/net/SocketException.html
#762 [11:23] <Mat> and do you know a possible way to fix that?
#763 [11:24] <DiskDaemon> Improve the network communications so that such TCP errors don't end up causing the exception
#764 [11:26] <Mat> ok thanks ill google search some ways to fix that. Thank you. I'll tell you if it works
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#774 [12:25] <paulens12> can someone teach me java? XDDD
#775 [12:25] <paulens12> the guy from youtube talks too much xD
#776 [12:25] <paulens12> it takes a lot of time xD
#777 [12:29] <Boreeas> This is the wrong place for this, and no one can teach you a programming language in a short amount of time.
#778 [12:30] <paulens12> lol...
#779 [12:30] <paulens12> 1. we talk about mods in this channel, right? and mods use java :)
#780 [12:30] <paulens12> 2. i'm learning fast xD
#781 [12:31] <paulens12> and i'm ready for a long learning process ;D
#782 [12:31] <Morrolan> Then go and read some online tutorial or a book about Java. :)
#783 [12:32] <DiskDaemon> we talk using english, and english uses words, but we try to not teach people how to form their letters or where the Q letter is on the keyboard
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#785 [12:33] <paulens12> ;D
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#787 [12:37] <DiskDaemon> The following is a good java tutorial series for the absolute beginner http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7E521457D576A8BB
#788 [12:42] <Morrolan> Never been too fond of video-based tutorials, too hard to "read up" on a certain topic if you forgot how to create a class-wide property or whatnot.
#789 [12:42] <Morrolan> Then again, if you're completely new to coding, such a strict sequence might be just what you need.
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#792 [12:45] <DiskDaemon> Well there are lots of tutorials out there. Here's one that provides the source codes with the videos http://eclipsetutorial.sourceforge.net/totalbeginner.html
#793 [12:46] <andrewxios> is this like galileo computing?
#794 [12:47] <mib_vfs0lv> hey guys i keep getting the minecraft running out of data and java problems that closes minecraft can anyone help?
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#797 [12:55] <Mat> anybody know of a way to solve "Minecraft Internal exception: java.net.SocketException: Software caused connection abort: recv failed"?
#798 [12:56] <Mat> things i did: restart router and modem (and even reset them both), change some settings on my ethernet adapter card, installed drivers, restarted computer, reinstalled java and minecraft.
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#801 [13:10] <fl1r> Hey, I can't seem to find the code that I use for PayPal donation buttons. I got the HTML code. Can anyone help?
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#805 [13:23] <Sonic> Hello
#806 [13:24] <Sonic> I need help with my upcoming server.
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#808 [13:27] <Sonic> Can anyone try to get to my server? I just need to see if it will let people in.
#809 [13:28] <Calinou> Mat, firewall problems maybe?
#810 [13:28] <Calinou> disable your OS's firewall (temporarily at least) then try to connect
#811 [13:28] <Calinou> Sonic, you can try it yourself, use some port forward checking tool
#812 [13:28] <Calinou> http://canyouseeme.org/
#813 [13:29] <Sonic> How do i know it's done?
#814 [13:30] <Mat> sonic send me your ip
#815 [13:30] <Calinou> Sonic, enter port "25565" if your server runs on port 25565
#816 [13:30] <Mat> ill try to join
#817 [13:30] <Calinou> there is a known exploit which allows temporary account stealing
#818 [13:30] <Calinou> better not ask people to join a server
#819 [13:30] <Calinou> :P
#820 [13:31] <Sonic> Oh. Thank's for the heads up there! :)
#821 [13:32] <Sonic> This is really weird. I did the port-forwarding stuff, and it had an error. Help please?
#822 [13:33] <Mat> what error? failed to bind?
#823 [13:33] <Calinou> forward the port 25565 (default) as TCP.
#824 [13:33] <Calinou> leave unset the "server-ip" line in server.properties
#825 [13:33] <Calinou> very important ^
#826 [13:34] <Mat> no, i always put my IPv4 and it works well
#827 [13:34] <Mat> in the server properties
#828 [13:36] <Sonic> Let me try Calinou's idea, then if it doesn't work, then your idea, Mat.
#829 [13:36] <Calinou> Mat, do not.
#830 [13:36] <Calinou> you are only supposed to put something there if you are running multiple network interfaces
#831 [13:36] <Calinou> if you don't know what this is - leave it unset.
#832 [13:37] <Sonic> Ok then, just put "unset" in the properties folder? Where the "IP" is? :/
#833 [13:38] <Calinou> Sonic, no
#834 [13:39] <Calinou> see this: http://minecraftwiki.net/wiki/server.properties
#835 [13:39] <Calinou> leave the "server-ip=" fine as-is. do not put anything after the = in the same line
#836 [13:39] <Calinou> when I say unset, I mean this.
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#838 [13:41] <Sonic> I found what you meant. Wait a sec...
#839 [13:43] <Sonic> Ok. Very confused. So guide me here, what do i "unset"?
#840 [13:43] <Morrolan> Just don't put anything there, leave it empty.
#841 [13:44] <Calinou> what Morrolan said
#842 [13:44] <Sonic> Alright then, now what?
#843 [13:44] <Calinou> this is how your server.properties *should* look: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/images/a/ad/Server.properties.png
#844 [13:45] <Calinou> you should not touch server-ip nor server-port
#845 [13:47] <Sonic> Ok. I have evrerything on the picture you gave me. Now what?
#846 [13:47] <Sonic> everything
#847 [13:50] <Sonic> So now what do i do?
#848 [13:52] <Calinou> Sonic, start the server?
#849 [13:52] <Calinou> and tell us the eventual error it throws
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#851 [13:53] <Sonic> Ok. Hang on...
#852 [13:54] <Sonic> Ok. It the server is "On" but i don't know if anyone can get in. Can you try, Calinou?
#853 [13:55] <Calinou> ok I'll try, I need the IP for it
#854 [13:55] <Calinou> http://youripis.org < see your IP here
#855 [13:55] <Sonic> 193.9.185.254
#856 [13:57] <Calinou> does not work
#857 [13:57] <Calinou> you did your port forwarding wrong, probably.
#858 [13:57] <Calinou> did you forward the port 25565 in TCP?
#859 [13:57] <Calinou> did you specify _your_ internal IP in the router's port forwarding?
#860 [13:57] <Calinou> did you disable your OS's firewall? < you should do that, temporarily at least.
#861 [13:57] <Sonic> Let's check. (Sonic goes to check.)
#862 [13:59] <Sonic> Hmmm... Should i do the port-foward again?
#863 [13:59] <Calinou> Sonic, depends... it might work already
#864 [13:59] <Calinou> maybe your OS's firewall is blocking the connection
#865 [14:00] <Sonic> Wait a minute...(slaps head) Norton! It's blocking the connection!
#866 [14:00] <Calinou> 8D again norton
#867 [14:00] <Calinou> "Norton, annoying Minecrafters since 2003."
#868 [14:01] <Sonic> Let me turn off the firewall with a Crepper! (Grabs a Crepper)
#869 [14:01] <Boreeas> s/pp/ep/
#870 [14:02] <Sonic> 1...2...3! (Loud Explosion.)
#871 [14:04] <Sonic> Well, that turned out nicely. But it ruined my wallpaper! :)
#872 [14:04] <Morrolan> As long as your screen survived. ;)
#873 [14:04] <Calinou> Sonic, I'll try now?
#874 [14:05] <Calinou> still doesn't work right now
#875 [14:05] <Sonic> Try it in 2min.
#876 [14:05] <Calinou> hmm - your whois information says a different IP than the one you just posted
#877 [14:06] <Calinou> 173.9.185.254 instead of 193.9.185.254
#878 [14:06] <Sonic> Oh, whoops.
#879 [14:07] <Sonic> Does it work or no?
#880 [14:07] <Calinou> tried, it doesn't
#881 [14:08] <Sonic> Wait.. i found the problem!
#882 [14:12] <Sonic> The answer? I put in the wrong IP in Netgear! (Fail Horn Plays)
#883 [14:12] <Calinou> have to go... sorry :/
#884 [14:13] <Calinou> Sonic, is your server running right now?
#885 [14:13] <Sonic> That's ok. Morrolan, you can help me at this point right?
#886 [14:19] <Sonic> Strange. It says (When i enter the IP via Netgear) says somthing about a LAN adress. Explanation?
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#890 [14:46] <elspuddy> hi, how do i find out what difficulty im playing on ?
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#897 [15:12] <Calinou> elspuddy, in the options?
#898 [15:12] <Calinou> on multiplayer, the server chooses, you cannot know directly
#899 [15:12] <Calinou> ways to see it: if lightning causes fire, server is on normal/hard.
#900 [15:13] <Calinou> if you starve to 5 hearts server is on easy, 0.5 normal, 0 (death) hard
#901 [15:13] <Calinou> mob damage is also difficulty dependant
#902 [15:13] <Calinou> zombies do 1.5 heart damage in easy, 2.5 in normal, 3.5 in hard
#903 [15:13] <elspuddy> Calinou, yes on mutiplayer , i think its on hard but its set to normail in the options
#904 [15:13] <Calinou> skeletons is 1.5/2/2.5, spiders is 1/1.5/2, cave spiders do not poison on easy, only normal and hard
#905 [15:14] <Calinou> your difficulty in options does not affect anything in multiplayer
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#907 [15:17] <Kailash> hello?
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#909 [15:20] <Calinou> hi
#910 [15:20] <Calinou> don't ask to ask
#911 [15:21] <|Kiikun|NotAtHome|> or ask about askign to ask :P
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#914 [15:38] <Richy> ello
#915 [15:38] <Richy> well, im back
#916 [15:39] <Richy> is greyvulpine there
#917 [15:41] <Richy> hello
#918 [15:42] <Richy> so do i just download this again?
#919 [15:42] <elspuddy> was he hacked ?
#920 [15:42] <elspuddy> sorry wrogn window
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#922 [15:43] <Richy> greyvulpine?
#923 [15:44] <Arceus> heres my probelm. everytime i start minecraft you know where u login? well and u know where it saids minecraft at the bottom well instead of that its all black and when i try to login it saids missingtex or text can anyone help?
#924 [15:45] <Richy> what do u mean missing tex
#925 [15:46] <Arceus> the screen turns all white and its saids missingtex
#926 [15:46] <Arceus> or at least the minecraft screen does.
#927 [15:46] <Richy> where does it say missing text?
#928 [15:46] <Arceus> when i log in.
#929 [15:46] <Richy> did u try reinstalling ur launcher?
#930 [15:47] <Arceus> yup.
#931 [15:47] <Arceus> oh .
#932 [15:47] <Arceus> this just came up
#933 [15:47] <Arceus> Minecraft has crashed! ---------------------- Minecraft has stopped running because it encountered a problem. --- BEGIN ERROR REPORT 7cf3a456 -------- Generated 4/21/12 12:47 PM Minecraft: Minecraft 1.2.5 OS: Windows 7 (x86) version 6.1 Java: 1.6.0_31, Sun Microsystems Inc. VM: Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (mixed mode), Sun Microsystems Inc. LWJGL: 2.4.2 OpenGL: GeForce 9500 GT/PCIe/SSE2 version 3.3.0, NVIDIA Cor
#934 [15:48] <Richy> is there more of it?
#935 [15:48] <Arceus> java.lang.RuntimeException: javax.imageio.IIOException: Can't create cache file! at nl.<init>(SourceFile:65) at net.minecraft.client.Minecraft.a(SourceFile:258) at net.minecraft.client.Minecraft.run(SourceFile:657) at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source) Caused by: javax.imageio.IIOException: Can't create cache file! at javax.imageio.ImageIO.createImageInputStream(Unknown Source) at javax.imageio.ImageIO.read(Unknown Source) at n
#936 [15:48] <Richy> use www.pastebin.com
#937 [15:48] <Richy> once uve made the paste tell us the web adress
#938 [15:49] <Arceus> http://pastebin.com/GgGPkZMv
#939 [15:50] <Richy> hmmm
#940 [15:50] <Arceus> its weird though.
#941 [15:50] <Arceus> i can open minecraft
#942 [15:50] <Arceus> in my downloads folder and it doesnt do that
#943 [15:50] <Arceus> but on my desktop it does that ;/
#944 [15:51] <Richy> well im not an actual helper here im here cause i got a prob to, but what i got outa that error report is minecraft might be not alllowed to make changes to ur comps files
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#946 [15:52] <Richy> dont take my word 4 it, but that might be it
#947 [15:52] <iGo> The browser-version is down or something?
#948 [15:52] <Arceus> ok thanks anyway.
#949 [15:53] <Richy> hey, open another window and have that in the front,
#950 [15:53] <iGo> I cant join the browser version of Minecraft, and I need that in order to log in using the launcher
#951 [15:53] <Richy> arceus. did that make a noisse on ur comp?
#952 [15:53] <Richy> *noise
#953 [15:54] <iGo> Anyone?
#954 [15:54] <Richy> why do u need it
#955 [15:55] <iGo> because i cant download the game using the launcher, appearently
#956 [15:55] <Richy> hmm. what is is doing that wont let u join?
#957 [15:55] <iGo> when i try to launch the game using the launcher it says: "Login failed (Not downloaded)
#958 [15:55] <iGo> i have no idea
#959 [15:55] <Richy> oh
#960 [15:55] <Richy> igo
#961 [15:55] <Richy> i know what that means
#962 [15:56] <iGo> Yea - I deleted my .minecraft folder
#963 [15:56] <Richy> ur not entering ur username/password right
#964 [15:56] <iGo> thinking that i should just run the launcher
#965 [15:56] <iGo> i am
#966 [15:56] <iGo> i use the exact same thing as when logging in one minecraft.net
#967 [15:56] <Richy> ok, well i might be worng, but check to make sure u are
#968 [15:57] <iGo> on*
#969 [15:57] <Richy> oh!
#970 [15:57] <Richy> idea!
#971 [15:57] <Richy> open ur launcher
#972 [15:57] <Richy> hit options
#973 [15:57] <Richy> and go force update!
#974 [15:58] <iGo> tried that
#975 [15:58] <Richy> then login
#976 [15:58] <iGo> didnt help
#977 [15:58] <iGo> im even running it as admin
#978 [15:58] <iGo> nothing seem to work
#979 [15:58] <Richy> whats it doin on the web version
#980 [15:58] <iGo> the only fix i've heard is to use the browser-version
#981 [15:58] <iGo> nothing
#982 [15:58] <iGo> just.. blank screen
#983 [15:58] <Richy> a;so WHY IS NOONE WHO can help us on right now!?
#984 [15:59] <Richy> hold on,
#985 [15:59] <NinjaKirby> It's dinner time on a Global scale
#986 [15:59] <iGo> not here though
#987 [16:00] * NinjaKirby checks his watch
#987 [16:00] * NinjaKirby raises an eyebrow
#987 [16:01] <Richy> well it worked for me....sorta
#988 [16:01] <Richy> i still have my video card prob so i didnt make it to title screen
#989 [16:01] <Richy> but
#990 [16:01] <iGo> i can only see the website background
#991 [16:01] <Richy> when does it go white screen>
#992 [16:01] <iGo> when trying to access the web version
#993 [16:01] <Richy> does anything appear first?
#994 [16:02] <iGo> nope
#995 [16:02] <Richy> well it started like that for me then went to javas loading logo,
#996 [16:02] <Richy> maybe its ur java
#997 [16:03] <Richy> greyvulpine u there??
#998 [16:04] <Richy> igo,see if u can find a download for the .minecraft folder online
#999 [16:04] <Richy> well ima attempt to redownload this driver thing, if i dont answer my screen mighta flipped out again
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#1001 [16:05] <ever1> hello
#1002 [16:06] <Richy> hello
#1003 [16:07] <ever1> i'm trying to limit to Minecraft JVM server memory usage under linux, i'm using xms and xmx value, but the memory used is always abose the xmx max. How can i limit the max memory used ?
#1004 [16:07] <Richy> i had that
#1005 [16:08] <Richy> hold on though
#1006 [16:08] <Richy> if greyvulpine comes on ask him
#1007 [16:08] <ever1> ok thx, do you know when he is usually online ?
#1008 [16:09] <Richy> no but i need him to so
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#1010 [16:11] <Richy> k well ima rebbot the computer
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#1013 [16:16] <Richy2> Well it almost worked but it happened again
#1014 [16:16] <Richy2> After I rebooted
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#1016 [16:17] <Omega_Guardian> uhh stupid Steam. Not giving progress for achivements I'm trying to get, when I'm doing the right thing. Should've gotten one 5 times over by now spending hours doing it, it doesn't clear
#1017 [16:18] <Richy2> Greyvlu
#1018 [16:18] <Richy2> * greyvulpine
#1019 [16:27] <WuggsBoson> Richy2: whats it doing
#1020 [16:27] <Richy2> It's like tv static but all tiled
#1021 [16:28] <ever1> i'm trying to limit to Minecraft JVM server memory usage under linux, i'm using xms and xmx value, but the memory used is always abose the xmx max. How can i limit the max memory used ? Anyone ?
#1022 [16:29] <WuggsBoson> Richy2: you might need to get a new graphics card
#1023 [16:29] <WuggsBoson> it soulds a lot like the one you have is dying
#1024 [16:29] <WuggsBoson> ever1: client or server
#1025 [16:29] <Richy2> Ya, I just updated it an it didn't work
#1026 [16:31] <Richy2> Well I gtg now bye
#1027 [16:41] <ever1> @WuggsBoson server
#1028 [16:42] <WuggsBoson> ever1: the Xmx value is a limitation on the java heap size
#1029 [16:42] <WuggsBoson> it will still take up more memory than that, though hopefully not by much
#1030 [16:42] <ever1> i get some +150% sometimes
#1031 [16:43] <WuggsBoson> minecraft is poorly optimized memorywise
#1032 [16:43] <WuggsBoson> there is a lot of overhead
#1033 [16:43] <WuggsBoson> are you using bukkit or vanilla
#1034 [16:43] <ever1> when minecraft hosters say 512Mo, how they limit the amount of ram ?
#1035 [16:43] <WuggsBoson> VMs
#1036 [16:44] <ever1> But they will end using more ram with VMs too, cause of the system no ?
#1037 [16:44] <ever1> and the server just crash ?
#1038 [16:46] <ever1> hm, what do you mean by VMs ?
#1039 [16:47] <ever1> Virtual Machines ? but Java, or VM Linux ?
#1040 [16:50] <WuggsBoson> vm linux
#1041 [16:50] <ever1> Yea, linux VMs, but, at the end it's basically the same, because you use more ram for the os
#1042 [16:50] <WuggsBoson> they do have a little bit of overhead but not much
#1043 [16:50] <WuggsBoson> they often run many vms on the same machine
#1044 [16:51] <ever1> Yes, indead, but for each vms, you need the ram for the os, no ?
#1045 [16:51] <WuggsBoson> they'll get a big powerful server and put 20 vms on it
#1046 [16:51] <WuggsBoson> so you'll end up with 21 OSs
#1047 [16:51] <WuggsBoson> not much is wasted
#1048 [16:51] <WuggsBoson> linux OSs are small
#1049 [16:51] <WuggsBoson> its possible that they share memory between all of them
#1050 [16:51] <ever1> and when the VM ram is reached, the server just virtually swap ?
#1051 [16:52] <WuggsBoson> probably not, chances are that the ram limit is a hard limit
#1052 [16:52] <ever1> so JVM just crash ?
#1053 [16:52] <WuggsBoson> the jvm will try to reclaim memory if possible
#1054 [16:52] <ever1> if he can't, he will just stay alive, and don't complain anymore ?
#1055 [16:53] <ever1> thx for your answer, i will think about that
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#1057 [16:55] <WuggsBoson> if it needs memory and cant get any there will be problems
#1058 [16:55] <WuggsBoson> but it can usually get memory back
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#1062 [16:55] <ever1> so at the end, it's the same problem ?
#1063 [16:55] <ever1> i'm thinking about making a cron to reboot servers above a limit
#1064 [16:56] <WuggsBoson> I'd only worry about that if you are actually having out of memory issues
#1065 [16:56] <Pinkishu> http://pastebin.com/kz6LVZxj <- what does that mean?
#1066 [16:56] <WuggsBoson> and only if reducing the memory limit a bit doesnt work
#1067 [16:56] <WuggsBoson> Pinkishu: its debug output that they forgot to remove
#1068 [16:57] <Pinkishu> yeah but what does it mean..
#1069 [16:57] <Pinkishu> especialyl interested since i get random freezes and just now "tick" was at lik e99.8%
#1070 [16:59] <ever1> thx for your time and answers, good night all
#1071 [16:59] <Pinkishu> i'd really love a debug client :D
#1072 [17:00] <WuggsBoson> Pinkishu: I have no idea what it means
#1073 [17:00] <WuggsBoson> do you have 64 bit java
#1074 [17:00] <Pinkishu> hmm i guess so
#1075 [17:00] <Pinkishu> sec
#1076 [17:00] <Pinkishu> seems i do
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#1088 [18:21] <rooster> is anyone running minecraft on ubuntu x64?
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#1091 [18:32] <rooster> has anyone found a work around for the black screen after loading?
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#1093 [18:41] <Morrolan> Forcing an update, updating graphics driver, updating Java (not Java 7 though).
#1094 [18:41] <Morrolan> Using sunjava if you're not, ehm, manually updating LWJGL
#1095 [18:41] <Morrolan> I'm sure I've missed some things.
#1096 [18:49] <rooster> thanks
#1097 [18:49] <rooster> I have done most of that, just need to manually update LWJGL
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#1099 [18:54] <Morrolan> If it still doesn't work, launching it through the console will give you an error message which might be helpful.
#1100 [18:54] <Morrolan> Ofcourse it could also be that your graphics card simply doesn't support it.
#1101 [18:57] <rooster> the manual update worked
#1102 [18:57] <rooster> thanks for the advise
#1103 [18:57] <Morrolan> Sure thing. :)
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#1110 [20:13] <TheComputaHacka> Hi
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#1116 [20:54] <jasper> I can't get minecraft to work properly how can I fix this?
#1117 [20:55] <jasper> it says Downloading Tarrain and then it dissconnects me
#1118 [20:55] <jasper> like in this youtube video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4JCJfmETgw
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#1120 [20:57] <jasper> ANYONE?
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#1122 [21:10] <WuggsBoson> jasper: does it work on any other servers
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#1124 [21:58] <jasper> i am able to connect to other servers
#1125 [21:58] <jasper> the server admin tried to create a new map that didnt work either
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#1135 [22:37] <Dan> hey since i have minecraft on my desktop and laptop, i was wondering is if i move the .minecraft folder over from the desktop to laptop, would that bring everything with it?
#1136 [22:38] <CoryB> Yep.
#1137 [22:39] <Dan> cool cause i have a TNT cannon with a sticky piston working great
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