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#2 [00:02] <Chirstain> I think PermissionsEx is crashing my server... I went back and made sure that there were no tabs in the .yml file, I made sure I was using the right permission nodes, but it still doesnt work
#3 [00:03] <Chirstain> I have CraftBukkir 1.2.5-r1 if it helps any
#4 [00:03] <Chirstain> Bukkit*
#5 [00:03] <Chirstain> Is anyone here?
#6 [00:04] <Chirstain> ...
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#20 [01:39] <cosmicvoyager> hello, where can i increase minecraft RAM?
#21 [01:41] <SmilingDevil> cosmicvoyager, how much RAM is Minecraft currently using and how much do you have installed?
#22 [01:42] <cosmicvoyager> i have 8GB RAM
#23 [01:42] <cosmicvoyager> I know there is a text somewhere to edit but i forgot wehere it is
#24 [01:42] <SmilingDevil> How much is Minecraft using?
#25 [01:43] <cosmicvoyager> i dont know...a friend asked me how to increae ram
#26 [01:43] <cosmicvoyager> can you tell pme please?
#27 [01:43] <SmilingDevil> cosmicvoyager, http://bit.ly/HWRaYq
#28 [01:43] <cosmicvoyager> i ant find it at minecraft.net or minecraft wiki
#29 [01:43] <SmilingDevil> Go to the link I said
#30 [01:44] <SmilingDevil> 3rd link should do
#31 [01:45] <cosmicvoyager> ok but i already googled nd could not find. i assume is should be promanently locate on a promenant web site like minecraft.net or the wiki. it must be an extremely FAQ
#32 [01:45] <cosmicvoyager> ill look again...
#33 [01:46] <cosmicvoyager> the top serach result is for server RAM not client RAm
#34 [01:47] <cosmicvoyager> ok the seoconf search result does not make any sense to me...i just want to know where the file is
#35 [01:49] <SmilingDevil> cosmicvoyager, <SmilingDevil> 3rd link should do
#36 [01:49] <SmilingDevil> Click the 3rd link.
#37 [01:50] <cosmicvoyager> SmilingDevili didnt ask you how to serach for teh info, i asked for the info itself...if your not goin to answer the question than there is no point in saying anything
#38 [01:52] <SmilingDevil> It's not that hard to click on a link cosmicvoyager.
#39 [01:52] <cosmicvoyager> i did click the link and i do not see the answer to my question
#40 [01:52] <WuggsBoson> cosmicvoyager: the point is
#41 [01:52] <WuggsBoson> you have to look for the answer
#42 [01:52] <cosmicvoyager> if there is a file with the setting somewhere..i want to know the location of it
#43 [01:52] <WuggsBoson> its very well documented
#44 [01:52] <WuggsBoson> there isnt
#45 [01:52] <WuggsBoson> you will have to make one
#46 [01:53] <WuggsBoson> do you have 64 bit java
#47 [01:53] <SmilingDevil> http://www.gamespot.com/minecraft/forum/how-do-you-increase-the-allocated-memory-for-minecraft-58292175/
#48 [01:53] <cosmicvoyager> is teh info on minecraft.net or minecraftwiki.net?
#49 [01:53] <SmilingDevil> It's not that hard.
#50 [01:53] <SmilingDevil> First freaking link.
#51 [01:54] <SmilingDevil> 3rd reply. Was that so hard?
#52 [01:54] <cosmicvoyager> my serch results did not show the gamespot article
#53 [01:54] <SmilingDevil> All I did was search, "how to increase allocated memory to Minecraft"
#54 [01:54] <SmilingDevil> lrn2google
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#56 [01:55] <cosmicvoyager> it should be assumed that before i asjed, a searched with googl and could not find it
#57 [01:56] <Wug> cosmicvoyager: it helps if you google the question you have
#58 [01:56] <Wug> also nobody does that
#59 [01:56] <cosmicvoyager> so that is why i asked here
#60 [01:56] <Wug> for questions like this, if you're asking, you didn't google well enough
#61 [01:56] <SmilingDevil> Again, try rewording your search
#62 [01:56] <Wug> its an elementary question with a well documented answer
#63 [01:56] <SmilingDevil> Don't just be like, "I CAN'T FIND IT I MUST NEED ASSISTANCE"
#64 [01:58] <cosmicvoyager> that page says "You can change the allocated memory in the Java section of your control panel to increase it" as far as i know i do not have anything called a control panel
#65 [01:59] <cosmicvoyager> however, i just opened the minecraft app package and there is a file called info.plist and in it there is a line that reads "<string>-Xms512M -Xmx1024M</string>
#66 [01:59] <cosmicvoyager> "
#67 [01:59] <cosmicvoyager> i wonder if that could be it
#68 [02:02] <Wug> cosmicvoyager: are you using windows
#69 [02:02] <Wug> sounds like mac
#70 [02:02] <cosmicvoyager> no. mac
#71 [02:03] <Wug> you would then google "how to give minecraft more memory mac"
#72 [02:03] <Wug> google does not magically identify context, you must provide it yourself
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#74 [02:24] <TheComputaHacka> hi
#75 [02:25] <TheComputaHacka> Does anyone know how to make a game using java?
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#77 [02:30] <TheComputaHacka> #minecraft
#78 [02:30] <johnq> When I run the Minecraft_Server.exe, nothing happens. It just quits immediately. Not sure how to diagnose it. There are no error messages, nothing in the logs, etc..
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#80 [02:31] <johnq> This is immediately following a power outage, but I am pretty sure this issue is not data corruption. I.e., if I download a fresh .exe, and run it in a new location, the same thing happens.
#81 [02:35] <Scott> JohnQ: I am willing to bet you have corrupted regions
#82 [02:35] <JohnQ> I might. But if I start it in a new directory it should create a new world.
#83 [02:35] <JohnQ> And it does not.
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#85 [02:36] <Wug> JohnQ: does it even open
#86 [02:36] <JohnQ> No
#87 [02:37] <JohnQ> I double click, and it immediately quits.
#88 [02:37] <JohnQ> No window opens..
#89 [02:37] <JohnQ> Nothing.
#90 [02:37] <JohnQ> main() { exit(0); }
#91 [02:37] <Wug> try updating java?
#92 [02:38] <Wug> its unlikely that java would break from a power hit like that but stranger things have happened
#93 [02:38] <JohnQ> Hmm.. thats an idea. I'll try that.
#94 [02:39] <JohnQ> Interesting. I think you may be on to something. Clicking the java control panel also does nothing. :-)
#95 [02:39] <TheComputaHacka> Zimsky: Use this free coupon to SHUT THE UP
#96 [02:40] <TheComputaHacka> JohnQ: what do you want to happen?
#97 [02:41] <JohnQ> Ideally, I would like the normal window to open and my minecraft server to start without corrupted region files. Oh... and world peace.
#98 [02:42] <TheComputaHacka> JohnQ: Oh. I thought you were programming a java window lol
#99 [02:42] <Wug> JohnQ: zap it from add/remove programs
#100 [02:42] <JohnQ> Yep. Already done that. Download a new one now.
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#102 [02:44] <JohnQ> Yay that worked.
#103 [02:45] <JohnQ> Strange failure mode for a power failure..
#104 [02:47] <Wug> indeed
#105 [02:47] <Wug> mustve corrupted some important temporary file or something
#106 [02:47] <Scott> Now that is odd.
#107 [02:51] <JohnQ> Im contemplating trying Java 7...
#108 [02:52] <JohnQ> Anyone tried it with MC?
#109 [02:52] <Wug> I use it, it works fine
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#137 [06:49] <BeingoftheWind> Hello...?
#138 [06:49] <BeingoftheWind> Well...
#139 [06:49] <Dag> BeingoftheWind, yes?
#140 [06:49] <BeingoftheWind> I tried to purchase Minecraft, but it said that something was wrong with the transaction and took me to the "Thank you for buying the game" page.
#141 [06:50] <BeingoftheWind> So, I tried again, and it then said that I could not use the card for 24 hours.
#142 [06:50] <BeingoftheWind> I checked my email, and there is no receipt or record of the transaction.
#143 [06:50] <GreyVulpine> http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/417071-i-can%E2%80%99t-purchase-minecraft
#144 [06:50] <GreyVulpine> "If you received a message asking you to wait 48 hours before you try your purchase again, we're sorry, but that is a security restriction when purchasing through Moneybookers (for credit/debit cards), and Mojang cannot lift that restriction."
#145 [06:51] <BeingoftheWind> Dang...
#146 [06:51] <BeingoftheWind> Well, thanks.
#147 [06:51] <BeingoftheWind> Farevell.
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#149 [06:59] <Tobie> Okay. serverfags. look here! I got a WNR3500 Netgear router. Evry ports works execpt for minecraft port 25565 its starting to block itself just that port. I tried to do it static IP but then it couldn't identify username. I can see it in the network, but not in the domain when i'm checking there. i'll checking DNS or its the domain, looks like the port is blocking. but it works again when i reset the router and goin on the same ports
#150 [06:59] * AuBot kicked Tobie from #minecrafthelp (Reason: obie :Please keep it civil.)
#151 [06:59] <Morrolan> Haha
#152 [06:59] <Morrolan> Thanks AuBot, would have been one hell of a job to find out what he was talking about.
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#154 [07:00] <Tobie> sry for that.
#155 [07:00] <Dag> Don't call us names and expect help.
#156 [07:00] <Tobie> 4chan habbit. apologize
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#159 [07:01] <Sqozza> PARTY
#160 [07:01] <Snowl> where
#161 [07:01] <Sqozza> i dunno ask Dag
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#163 [07:02] <Morrolan> Tobie - Mind rephrasing your issue? I don't really understand what you mean I'm afraid.
#164 [07:02] <Morrolan> Tobie - Mind rephrasing your issue? I don't really understand what you mean I'm afraid.
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#166 [07:03] <Tobie> well. my server won't work. Well ahile it does but when it sees a problem the router simply blocks the port. i have no clue why.
#167 [07:03] <Morrolan> Sqozza realised that this isn't #tf2help and had to leave it seems.
#168 [07:03] <Morrolan> Tobie - Did you check whether your internal IP is still the same you set in the portforwarding rule?
#169 [07:05] <Tobie> Ofcourse i did, I shouldnt have found it local with the same IP as a portforwarded it as.
#170 [07:06] <Tobie> then i shouldn't*
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#172 [07:11] <GreyVulpine> That made absolutely no sense at all Tobie. Could you rephrase that?
#173 [07:11] <Tobie> oh my english suck.
#174 [07:11] <Tobie> well. of course i did check that.
#175 [07:12] <GreyVulpine> And did the port forwarding rule still match up with your server's local IP address?
#176 [07:12] <Tobie> Yes.
#177 [07:12] <GreyVulpine> Are you hosting the Minecraft server right now, on your local computer?
#178 [07:13] <Tobie> its a server. not the same computer
#179 [07:14] <GreyVulpine> Is the Minecraft server software running right now on that computer?
#180 [07:15] <Tobie> yes. i'm running it when i can, just restarting it, got about 15 loyal players on the server so
#181 [07:15] <Tobie> up to
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#183 [07:16] <GreyVulpine> ;check Tobie
#184 [07:16] <WugBot> Unable to connect to address: c83-252-202-142.bredband.comhem.se:25565 (Timed out)
#185 [07:16] <Tobie> Oh. can't do that haha.
#186 [07:16] <GreyVulpine> Doesn't seem like the server can be connected to right now
#187 [07:16] <Tobie> no that ip
#188 [07:16] <GreyVulpine> What IP is it running on?
#189 [07:17] <GreyVulpine> Where is this server located?
#190 [07:18] <Tobie> GreyVulpine: 192.168.1.2
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#193 [07:19] <Morrolan> That is your internal IP, Tobie. What he wanted to know is the external IP.
#194 [07:19] <Morrolan> You can get it by going to a site like www.whatismyip.org
#195 [07:19] <Morrolan> Err, what happened to that site? Is it actually using an image to display the IP now?
#196 [07:20] <Tobie> oh sorry, i misunderstood
#197 [07:20] <Tobie> 46.59.34.204 or teampankie.se
#198 [07:21] <GreyVulpine> ;check teampankie.se
#199 [07:21] <WugBot> teampankie.se:25565 seems to host a minecraft server: sluta. (1/20)
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#201 [07:21] <Morrolan> Err, seems to work just fine, Tobie?
#202 [07:21] <sogeking99> hey guys, i am trying to set up a trap door to open and close when I push a switch. I am using just redstone and the switch will close the door but not open it?
#203 [07:21] <Morrolan> sogeking99 - Could you make a screenshot of your redstone setup?
#204 [07:22] <Tobie> right now it does yes. but the router is blocking the 25565 port when an error accoured on the server istead of alerting about the problem
#205 [07:22] <sogeking99> Morrolan, ok, whats the key to take a screenshot again?
#206 [07:22] <Tobie> so then i need to reset the router.
#207 [07:22] <Tobie> sogeking99: F2
#208 [07:22] <Dag> sogeking99, F2 or Prnt Scrn
#209 [07:23] <Morrolan> Tobie - When an error occoured? The router has no way of knowing whether an error occured on the Minecraft server.
#210 [07:23] <Morrolan> Tobie - When an error occoured? The router has no way of knowing whether an error occured on the Minecraft server.
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#212 [07:23] <Tobie> i know. thats whats trouble me too :/
#213 [07:24] <sogeking99> Morrolan, http://imgur.com/ziG0l is this clear enough?
#214 [07:24] <Tobie> gotta try some stuff, i'll be back later if i can't make it work. i may got an idea
#215 [07:27] <Morrolan> sogeking99 - Right now the redstone doesn't seem to be connected to the trapdoor at all.
#216 [07:28] <GreyVulpine> sogeking99 - If you're going to wire a button to do the work of a switch, you'll need something like an RS nor latch
#217 [07:28] <Calinou> Dag, do not use print screen
#218 [07:28] <GreyVulpine> A button is a momentary switch. It momentarily sends a charged signal to a block, then turns off
#219 [07:28] <Calinou> every time you use print screen, a kitten dies.
#220 [07:28] <sogeking99> oh a lever does the same thing, just closes it
#221 [07:29] <Calinou> the redstone must directly point to the trap door in the correct place
#222 [07:29] <Calinou> remember trapdoors are in the BOTTOM of a block, not the TOP of a block
#223 [07:29] <Calinou> and they open upwards
#224 [07:29] <Dag> Calinou, it's an option if F2 key is broken (like mine) I just crop down the screen to whatever I need it to be.
#225 [07:30] <Calinou> don't play fullscreen. :P
#226 [07:30] <Calinou> don't use macs too
#227 [07:30] <Calinou> fullscreen screenshots occasionally work fine
#228 [07:30] <Calinou> never, ever use fullscreen on linux, regardless of the game
#229 [07:30] <Dag> I don't do either of those things lol.
#230 [07:31] <Dag> And I don't use Linux so that's not really a problem.
#231 [07:31] <sogeking99> thanks guys
#232 [07:31] <Calinou> Dag, update lwjgl
#233 [07:34] <sogeking99> so it works if I do this, though I'm not sure how to hide this
#234 [07:34] <sogeking99> http://imgur.com/raX1S
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#236 [07:42] <sogeking99> any idea's on how i can hide that?
#237 [07:43] <Dag> sogeking99 is it possible you can bring the redstone wire around to the back of the trap door behind the walls?
#238 [07:44] <sogeking99> Dag, og like run it out side the house?
#239 [07:44] <Dag> Yes
#240 [07:45] <Dag> If its possible you can hide it outside...
#241 [07:46] <sogeking99> ok thanks
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#251 [08:39] <cfdpipeman> Is there a way a server admin can change the world for the server with an in-game command?
#252 [08:39] <GreyVulpine> Not currently
#253 [08:39] <cfdpipeman> do you know of a bukkit solution?
#254 [08:40] <GreyVulpine> Beyond Multiverse and some plugins to manage portals and differing nethers, I'm not aware of one that'll completely switch out a world for something else
#255 [08:42] <cfdpipeman> I don't want to use multiple worlds at the same time. I just want a server op to be able to load new worlds without manually modifying the server properties file.
#256 [08:42] <cfdpipeman> mainly for ultrahardcore match play.
#257 [08:43] <AmberK> Well
#258 [08:43] <AmberK> there is a simple way to do this with bukkit
#259 [08:43] <AmberK> if you're willing to take that route
#260 [08:43] <cfdpipeman> I'm listening
#261 [08:44] <cfdpipeman> I have bukkit
#262 [08:45] <cfdpipeman> I've been searching all morning for a solution.
#263 [08:51] <cfdpipeman> AmberK?
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#268 [09:15] <Calinou> cfdpipeman, pretty much the only thing you can do is to use multiverse
#269 [09:16] <Calinou> you cannot force clients to go to a specific world
#270 [09:16] <Calinou> (unless an op teleports all players to him)
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#272 [09:26] <elspuddy> how do you grow mushrooms in minecraft ?
#273 [09:26] <paulens12> use bonemeal
#274 [09:26] <paulens12> it must be night
#275 [09:26] <paulens12> they don't grow in daylight
#276 [09:27] <elspuddy> thanks
#277 [09:27] <paulens12> :)
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#279 [09:38] <elspuddy> are you suposed to plant the shrooms on stone ?
#280 [09:38] <paulens12> emm
#281 [09:38] <paulens12> not really
#282 [09:38] <paulens12> u can plant them on dirt
#283 [09:38] <paulens12> and grass
#284 [09:38] <paulens12> :)
#285 [09:39] <elspuddy> well i cant seem to plant tome on dirt or grass
#286 [09:40] <paulens12> emmm
#287 [09:40] <paulens12> i dont know
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#289 [09:47] <AmberK> cfdpipeman?
#290 [09:48] <oldtopman> wat
#291 [09:48] <AmberK> nvm, old reply
#292 [09:48] <oldtopman> ...
#293 [09:48] <paulens12> oh
#294 [09:48] <paulens12> elspuddy
#295 [09:49] <paulens12> it's not enought of darkness...
#296 [09:49] <paulens12> it must be REALLY dark
#297 [09:49] <paulens12> O.o
#298 [09:49] <paulens12> like in cave
#299 [09:49] <paulens12> .
#300 [09:54] <elspuddy> got it :
#301 [09:54] <elspuddy> just need to make these grow :) and bonemeal dont work :(
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#304 [10:00] <paulens12> O.o
#305 [10:13] <cfdpipeman> AmberK you still here?
#306 [10:14] <AmberK> huh?
#307 [10:14] <AmberK> deleting topics, whatcha need?
#308 [10:14] <cfdpipeman> Did you have a solution to my previous question?
#309 [10:14] <AmberK> If you have bukkit
#310 [10:15] <AmberK> use a permissions manager and multiverse
#311 [10:15] <cfdpipeman> I do
#312 [10:15] <AmberK> http://dev.bukkit.org/server-mods/multiverse-core/ is multiverse
#313 [10:15] <cfdpipeman> OK, I will look into that route. Thanks.
#314 [10:15] <AmberK> I recommend Pex for a manager http://dev.bukkit.org/server-mods/permissionsex (bPerms is easier, but not as good: http://dev.bukkit.org/server-mods/bpermissions )
#315 [10:18] <Morrolan> I, on the other hand, recommend bPermissions. :P
#316 [10:18] <Morrolan> You'll find quite a number of people recommending the one or the other, and some of them like to throw mud at the "enemy" as well.
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#318 [10:21] <AmberK> In my honest experience
#319 [10:22] <AmberK> Pex is more versatile, and definately easier for when you get into tedious management with multiworlds
#320 [10:22] <AmberK> however bPerms, if you are going for more simple management, and not having a large-scale server, is fine
#321 [10:23] <cfdpipeman> I didn't mean to start anything XD
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#323 [10:28] * oldtopman prefers vanilla because he wouldn't have had the problem to begin with, and doesn't have permissions or anything to manage at all :D
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#324 [10:33] <Calinou> paulens12, light level < 13 is required for mushroom planting, any solid, opaque block will do
#325 [10:33] <Calinou> mycelium accepts mushrooms in light levels >= 13
#326 [10:33] <Calinou> a torch produces light level 14, for information
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#340 [11:54] <irc12345> help
#341 [11:54] <irc12345> hi
#342 [11:55] <irc12345> hi greybot
#343 [11:55] <irc12345> ...
#344 [11:55] <irc12345> hi
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#349 [12:04] <Calinou> hi the late irc12345
#350 [12:04] * Calinou puts this in "funniest quotes"
#350 [12:04] * AmberK slowly claps
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#351 [12:07] <paulens12> hello
#352 [12:07] <paulens12> is minecraft open source? ;D
#353 [12:08] <paulens12> i was going to start creating mods
#354 [12:09] <paulens12> i watched some java tutorials
#355 [12:09] <paulens12> but
#356 [12:09] <paulens12> i mut
#357 [12:09] <paulens12> i must know something more.. for example, how to add a block to game?
#358 [12:09] <AmberK> nope
#359 [12:09] <AmberK> It's not open source
#360 [12:09] <AmberK> but
#361 [12:09] <AmberK> there's plenty of sources for unobfuscated code
#362 [12:09] <GreyVulpine> Minecraft is not open source. But some people of the community have taken it upon themselves to decompile and deobsfuscate the source
#363 [12:09] <Calinou> minecraft is not open source, paulens12
#364 [12:09] <paulens12> ok ok ;D
#365 [12:10] <Calinou> it can be deobfuscated and decompiled easily though
#366 [12:10] <Calinou> it's *theorically* illegal
#367 [12:10] <paulens12> but i need to examine the code
#368 [12:10] <paulens12> to understand how it works?
#369 [12:10] <Calinou> but well, mojang doesn't do anything against those mods
#370 [12:10] <Morrolan> Did we mention that it's not open-source, but that there are unobfuscated versions out there?
#371 [12:10] <paulens12> lol
#372 [12:10] <Calinou> paulens12, see MCP: a good tool for decompiling easily
#373 [12:10] <GreyVulpine> http://mcp.ocean-labs.de/index.php/MCP_Releases
#374 [12:10] <GreyVulpine> Have at
#375 [12:10] <Calinou> what GreyVulpine said :P
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#377 [12:12] <paulens12> package net.minecraft.src; public class BlockJump extends Block { public BlockJump(int blockID) { // Call our inherited's class telling it // we want to use the jukebox texture and // have wood like properties super(blockID, 74, Material.wood); this.setResistance(2.0F).setHardness(10F).setStepSound(soundClothFootst
#378 [12:12] <paulens12> lol
#379 [12:13] <paulens12> line breaks are missing ;D
#380 [12:13] <paulens12> http://mcp.ocean-labs.de/index.php/Jump_Block_%28Adding_a_new_Block%29
#381 [12:13] <paulens12> like this?
#382 [12:13] <Morrolan> Sounds more like Linux<->Windows line endings.
#383 [12:13] <Morrolan> Also, there's #mcp and #mcp-modding for help with MCP iirc.
#384 [12:13] <paulens12> :o
#385 [12:13] <Morrolan> They might be able to point you to some additional resources.
#386 [12:13] <paulens12> ok..
#387 [12:14] <paulens12> actually
#388 [12:14] <paulens12> i just wanted to know where to start...
#389 [12:14] <paulens12> aftre learning java ;D
#390 [12:14] <paulens12> after*
#391 [12:14] <GreyVulpine> Grab an IDE of your choice. Grab the source for MCP. Start coding
#392 [12:15] <GreyVulpine> Can't be any easier than that.
#393 [12:15] <Morrolan> Also, get a cup of coffee or two.
#394 [12:15] <paulens12> oh :D
#395 [12:15] <paulens12> so all modders use mcp? :DDD
#396 [12:16] <paulens12> i thought maybe mojang published *PART* of their source code for modders xD
#397 [12:16] <GreyVulpine> They do not.
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#399 [12:17] <GreyVulpine> Also, some modders don't use MCP, they randomly increment interators into heap memory, hoping to strike the right value and modify memory that way. (please don't do this)
#400 [12:18] <paulens12> O.o
#401 [12:18] <paulens12> that sounds like
#402 [12:19] <paulens12> putting random charracters to the code xDDD
#403 [12:19] <paulens12> lol
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#406 [12:21] <Calinou> "Grab an IDE of your choice."
#407 [12:21] <Calinou> far from required
#408 [12:21] <Calinou> a text editor works fine :P
#409 [12:22] * Calinou has started the "text editor vs IDE" fight
#409 [12:22] <AmberK> For java, I would use and IDE. For yaml, notepadd++ is a joke
#410 [12:22] <AmberK> `/argumentover
#411 [12:22] * GreyVulpine files text editor under IDE
#411 [12:22] * GreyVulpine files text editor under IDE
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#412 [12:22] <AmberK> an IDE*
#413 [12:22] <Calinou> AmberK, yaml works fine with notepad++
#414 [12:22] <AmberK> It works
#415 [12:22] <AmberK> I just think it's unecessary
#416 [12:22] <Calinou> standard notepad sucks
#417 [12:22] * AmberK macroed 4 spaces to a key
#417 [12:22] <Calinou> it doesn't handle line breaks properly
#418 [12:23] <AmberK> Not notepad
#419 [12:23] <Calinou> don't use tabs, use spaces, right
#420 [12:23] <AmberK> but wordpad or ci
#421 [12:23] <AmberK> vi*
#422 [12:23] <Calinou> wordpad < notepad
#423 [12:23] <Calinou> sucks even more
#424 [12:23] <Calinou> vim sucks too
#425 [12:23] <AmberK> Not quite
#426 [12:23] <GreyVulpine> Bleh, wordpad
#427 [12:23] <Calinou> lrn2usegraphical
#428 [12:23] <AmberK> try opening some yamls with wordpad instead of notepad
#429 [12:23] <AmberK> you might not get a giant mess
#430 [12:25] <Morrolan> Calinou - Ah, but an IDE with code-navigation features is just much more convenient. :)
#431 [12:26] <GreyVulpine> Calinou's just that hardcore.
#432 [12:26] <Morrolan> Yea, I can imagine him/her scrolling around in the file for ages to find that specific function. :P
#433 [12:27] * Morrolan pats Calinou
#433 [12:27] <GreyVulpine> Probably does all their coding via traces from a microprocessor, feeding it in ASM
#434 [12:27] <Morrolan> Oh, that could be.
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#436 [12:31] * Calinou doesn't do any complicated mods
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#437 [12:35] * Calinou is not a girl, thank you
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#439 [12:36] <kupo> hello, I'm running a SMP server and my users keep getting blank screen locks on logins
#440 [12:36] <kupo> does anyone know if this is documented somewhere?
#441 [12:38] <Calinou> kupo, are you using any server mods?
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#443 [12:41] <kupo> Calinou: none
#444 [12:41] <Calinou> can your users play singleplayer/other servers fine?
#445 [12:41] <kupo> just the straight server software from minecraft.net
#446 [12:41] <kupo> Calinou: yes
#447 [12:42] <Calinou> does this happen if you start a new server world?
#448 [12:42] <Calinou> rename the server world folder "world2" (stop it first)
#449 [12:42] <Calinou> then restart
#450 [12:42] <Calinou> then tell people to connect to it and see.
#451 [12:42] <kupo> the folder itself?
#452 [12:42] <Calinou> yes
#453 [12:42] <Calinou> the world only
#454 [12:43] <Boreeas> I don't use a text editor. I use cat and sed.
#455 [12:44] <kupo> Calinou: ok trying
#456 [12:44] <Calinou> kupo, if it works then your world is maybe corrupted (you should've done backups)
#457 [12:44] <kupo> Calinou: it's a newly spawned world so it's fine if it's lost
#458 [12:44] <kupo> Calinou: which file specifically to rename?
#459 [12:45] <Calinou> the entire "world" folder
#460 [12:45] <kupo> ah ok
#461 [12:45] <Calinou> which contains "players" and "region"
#462 [12:45] <Calinou> when running a server:
#463 [12:45] <Calinou> NEVER ctrl+c. use "save-all" THEN "stop" in console.
#464 [12:45] <kupo> I'm pretty familiar with the commands
#465 [12:46] <kupo> I'm a linux sys admin my trade
#466 [12:46] <kupo> by*
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#468 [12:47] <kupo> Calinou: are these Can't keep up messages still normal?
#469 [12:48] <SmilingDevil> Calinou, actually, save-all isn't required
#470 [12:48] <SmilingDevil> stop saves the maps
#471 [12:48] <Calinou> true
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#473 [12:49] <Calinou> kupo, when they happen while starting the server, yes
#474 [12:49] <kupo> either way it's fine, I just want to elimante these strange bugs my players are experiencing
#475 [12:49] <Calinou> kupo, I used linux for 2 years too on my desktop machine :P
#476 [12:49] <SmilingDevil> The only real use of "save-all" is when the server is frozen, you do "save-all", get some tea, then come back and CTRL+C it
#477 [12:49] <Calinou> already found server admins ctrl+c-ing their server
#478 [12:49] <kupo> Calinou: we actually built a cluster here at our hackerspace
#479 [12:49] <SmilingDevil> And yes, it is appropriate to use CTRL+C
#480 [12:49] <kupo> and one of the requests was for a minecraft server
#481 [12:49] <SmilingDevil> As long as you remove the map lockfiles
#482 [12:49] <Calinou> SmilingDevil, world corruption.
#483 [12:50] <SmilingDevil> Calinou, typically no
#484 [12:50] <Calinou> ^ reason you should not ctrl+c a minecraft server
#485 [12:50] <Calinou> also, player data corruption possible, leading to duplication
#486 [12:50] <Calinou> *server admin tells the server will stop* *player puts diamonds from inventory to chest* *server restarts* *yay double the amount*
#487 [12:50] <SmilingDevil> Calinou, if a player's data is corrupted, it resets iirc
#488 [12:50] <Calinou> no it is kept
#489 [12:50] <Calinou> corrupted as in "delayed save" I mean
#490 [12:51] <SmilingDevil> Why would it double though?
#491 [12:51] <SmilingDevil> There'd be no logical reason
#492 [12:51] <Calinou> server saves the world & player data separately
#493 [12:51] <Calinou> ^ leads to this bug
#494 [12:52] <SmilingDevil> Well of course it saves it seperately
#495 [12:52] <SmilingDevil> But the time frame between which the socket closes and the inventory packet is sent after the server were to stop, would be very small.
#496 [12:52] <kupo> Calinou: seems to have fixed it initially
#497 [12:53] <kupo> we're testing now
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#500 [12:55] <kupo> Calinou: so buckets and fishing rods are now not working
#501 [12:56] <kupo> though were working initially on respawn
#502 [12:56] <Morrolan> oO
#503 [12:58] <SmilingDevil> kupo, wut
#504 [12:58] <kupo> SmilingDevil: we're experienceing strange SMP world corruption
#505 [12:59] <SmilingDevil> kupo, delete player data and see if that works
#506 [12:59] <SmilingDevil> See if it's the world or player data
#507 [13:00] <kupo> SmilingDevil: I renamed the whole world folder and regenned from see
#508 [13:00] <kupo> seed*
#509 [13:00] <kupo> could it possibly be the weird character in world seed?
#510 [13:00] <SmilingDevil> Most likely not
#511 [13:00] <SmilingDevil> What is the seed?
#512 [13:01] <Calinou> any seed can be used
#513 [13:01] <kupo> SmilingDevil: level-seed=Hakkavélin
#514 [13:01] <kupo> our hackerspace name
#515 [13:01] <kupo> we're in iceland
#516 [13:03] <SmilingDevil> I don't see why it would
#517 [13:06] <kupo> I tried backing up again and regenning a world using standard lang seed
#518 [13:07] <kupo> so right off the bat compass's never work in any world
#519 [13:09] <kupo> we're running on a dell 1650 dual chip (32bit) and raid5 disks
#520 [13:09] <kupo> btw
#521 [13:11] <SmilingDevil> kupo, Linux? Java version?
#522 [13:11] <SmilingDevil> uname -a?
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#524 [13:14] <kupo> SmilingDevil: sorry made coffee
#525 [13:14] <kupo> debian squeeze
#526 [13:14] <kupo> 2.6.32-5-686
#527 [13:14] <kupo> sun java
#528 [13:14] <SmilingDevil> kupo, I've got to take a shower, I'll get back to you
#529 [13:14] <kupo> oooh lala
#530 [13:14] <SmilingDevil> Try upgrading to openjdk-7-jre
#531 [13:15] <kupo> huh?
#532 [13:15] <SmilingDevil> It's not recommended but I find that it works just fine
#533 [13:15] <kupo> I though sun java was strongly preferred over openjdk
#534 [13:15] <kupo> I'd like to keep that as a last resort
#535 [13:15] <SmilingDevil> It is.
#536 [13:15] <SmilingDevil> You can try Oracle's 7 JRE, should work fine also
#537 [13:16] <kupo> that is sun java
#538 [13:16] <kupo> oracle bought sun
#539 [13:22] <Boreeas> kupo: What Java version are you running right now?
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#541 [13:29] <kupo> Boreeas: 1.6.0 iirc
#542 [13:29] <kupo> checking now
#543 [13:29] <kupo> java version "1.6.0_26"
#544 [13:32] <kupo> teleporting is resulting in a frozen screen also
#545 [13:33] <Calinou> openjdk lol
#546 [13:33] <kupo> requireing a /kill command
#547 [13:33] <kupo> Calinou: ?
#548 [13:33] <Calinou> don't use it. worse performance and more bugs
#549 [13:36] <SmilingDevil> kupo, you think I don't know Oracle bought Sun?
#550 [13:36] <kupo> SmilingDevil: I don't think I said that
#551 [13:37] <SmilingDevil> <kupo> that is sun java
#552 [13:37] <SmilingDevil> <kupo> oracle bought sun
#553 [13:37] <kupo> I really don't need to get into an argument, I'm just trying to diagnose whats wrong with my server
#554 [13:38] <kupo> but at the same time random suggestions that might introduce additional layers of problems are not helpful
#555 [13:38] <kupo> the strangest thing is I'm seeing no bug reports anywhere of what we're experiencing
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#559 [14:27] <kupo> SmilingDevil: did you take my criticism badly?
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#562 [14:47] <SmilingDevil> kupo, yes, I'm cutting myself as we speak.
#563 [14:50] <Grim_Reaper> o.o
#564 [14:50] <Grim_Reaper> Umm
#565 [14:50] <Grim_Reaper> Dont do that SmilingDevil..
#566 [14:50] <SmilingDevil> Grim_Reaper, I was kidding.
#567 [14:50] <Grim_Reaper> You better x_x
#568 [14:51] <kupo> SmilingDevil: remember, horizontal to the artery
#569 [14:51] <SmilingDevil> Holy shit
#570 [14:51] <SmilingDevil> We're on Fedora 16
#571 [14:51] <kupo> your mc server?
#572 [14:51] <SmilingDevil> No
#573 [14:51] <SmilingDevil> Just the fact we're on version 16
#574 [14:52] <kupo> the "on" here is not really clear
#575 [14:52] <kupo> a boat perhaps?
#576 [14:52] <SmilingDevil> Yes
#577 [14:52] <SmilingDevil> The boat is powered by Fedora 1(6
#578 [14:52] <SmilingDevil> Oh wait, 17's in beta
#579 [14:52] <SmilingDevil> :P
#580 [14:52] <kupo> I hope you have a liferaft
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#582 [14:53] <darcknes> Ya I need help with my minecraft
#583 [14:53] <darcknes> It keeps Laging at startup
#584 [14:53] <SmilingDevil> darcknes, specs?
#585 [14:54] <darcknes> give me a sec
#586 [14:54] <darcknes> but minecraft always ran good on my pc
#587 [14:54] <SmilingDevil> >2012
#588 [14:54] <SmilingDevil> >Doesn't have specs memorized
#589 [14:55] <SmilingDevil> darcknes, how good is your connection?
#590 [14:55] <darcknes> what?
#591 [14:55] <SmilingDevil> It's most likely the statistics data being sent
#592 [14:55] <SmilingDevil> At startup
#593 [14:55] <GreyVulpine> It may behoove you to ask first, to describe the lagging, and whether it's at the menu, in single player, or multiplayer
#594 [14:56] <darcknes> but it loads up to the main menu but has like .5 Fps
#595 [14:56] <kupo> GreyVulpine: whats the minimum hw specs for a SMP server
#596 [14:56] <SmilingDevil> darcknes, what OS are you using?
#597 [14:56] <darcknes> win 7
#598 [14:56] <GreyVulpine> Then, it may also help to determine if there's been any changes since the lagginess occurred
#599 [14:57] <GreyVulpine> Especially in the respect of changes to java, or any mods.
#600 [14:57] <darcknes> no mods
#601 [14:57] <GreyVulpine> kupo - That all depends.
#602 [14:57] <darcknes> 64 bit
#603 [14:58] <SmilingDevil> darcknes, what FPS do you get in-game?
#604 [14:58] <darcknes> I cant tell the main menu is so laggy that when I click it takes almost a min or two to even register that I clicked
#605 [15:00] <darcknes> 4gb of ram 3.75 useable
#606 [15:00] <GreyVulpine> ??> darcknes win/reinst
#607 [15:00] <VoxelHead> darcknes: (win/reinst) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#608 [15:00] <VoxelHead> darcknes: (win/reinst) To do so, press your Windows+R keys, type in %AppData% at the dialog, and press Enter. In the window that appears, open the .minecraft directory, and delete everything except for the saves directory that you see therein. Then, try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
#609 [15:00] <darcknes> Tryed that
#610 [15:00] <kupo> GreyVulpine: on?
#611 [15:00] <darcknes> no work
#612 [15:01] <GreyVulpine> kupo - Operating system, number of concurrent users you expect to have on, whether or not you'll be running a modded server, and number of mods you expect to have running. Also, any other programs and services you expect the server to run as well.
#613 [15:02] <GreyVulpine> Also, anything like a SQL server, whether or not you'll be running SSDs, or a RAMdisk, also any plans on a backup solution
#614 [15:02] <kupo> GreyVulpine: debian squeeze, 20 or less, no, none, zero
#615 [15:02] <kupo> not planning on sql or ssd's unless necessary
#616 [15:02] <darcknes> AMD Athlon II X2 215 dual-core processer
#617 [15:02] <kupo> we've got a raid5 strip across 3 10k rpm scsi disk
#618 [15:03] <kupo> dual chip p3 sever
#619 [15:03] <GreyVulpine> Completely vanilla, I'd give a rough estimate of about 50-100 megs of RAM per concurrent user. Usage usually spikes on new areas.
#620 [15:04] <GreyVulpine> Since the MC server is not multithreaded, anything beyond a beefy dualcore, you won't find a better return on investment
#621 [15:04] <kupo> I'm wondering if our glitching is just a hw problem
#622 [15:04] <GreyVulpine> With roughly 20 slots, I think you'll be looking at a low to mid-range server. 2.0Ghz dual-core or better.
#623 [15:05] <GreyVulpine> Glitching?
#624 [15:05] <kupo> compass, buckets, boats, fishing rods, arrows don't work as expected
#625 [15:05] <GreyVulpine> How so?
#626 [15:06] <darcknes> oh ya i also hav 2.7 Ghz
#627 [15:06] <kupo> buckets sometimes don't pick up water, sometimes do.
#628 [15:06] <kupo> stairs always face the same direction
#629 [15:06] <GreyVulpine> Are you using some sort of modded server binary?
#630 [15:06] <kupo> entering boats will blank the uswers sceen
#631 [15:06] <kupo> GreyVulpine: no vanilla client from minecraft.net
#632 [15:07] <GreyVulpine> And the world is newly generated? Or a holdover from some earlier version?
#633 [15:07] <kupo> newly generated
#634 [15:07] <kupo> in fact we just regenerated about an hour ago to isolate the cause
#635 [15:07] <kupo> bows won't fire arrows except straigh up
#636 [15:07] <GreyVulpine> Regenerated the world?
#637 [15:08] <kupo> tried once regen from the same seed
#638 [15:08] <GreyVulpine> Or particular chunks?
#639 [15:08] <kupo> then regenned from a new seed
#640 [15:09] <GreyVulpine> Hmm
#641 [15:09] <kupo> my sentiments exactly
#642 [15:10] <kupo> I've run and played on other smp servers before, never seen this
#643 [15:10] <darcknes> so can u guys help or what?
#644 [15:10] <kupo> darcknes: whats your question?
#645 [15:11] <darcknes> My minecraft lag on startup
#646 [15:11] <kupo> more info
#647 [15:11] <GreyVulpine> darcknes - Try an uninstall/reinstall of java
#648 [15:11] <darcknes> just did that no work
#649 [15:11] <GreyVulpine> kupo - How's the network connectivity of the server?
#650 [15:11] <darcknes> not on a server
#651 [15:12] <GreyVulpine> The water in buckets thing does remind me of a network latency behavior
#652 [15:12] <GreyVulpine> darcknes - Did you completely uninstall all versions of java before installing the latest version?
#653 [15:12] <GreyVulpine> darcknes - What version of java did you grab?
#654 [15:12] <kupo> GreyVulpine: 100Mb backbone, hosted at a uni
#655 [15:13] <darcknes> I hit login it starts but sits at mojang screen for like 30sec and then takes me to main menu where I get like .5FPS when i click it takes almost a full min or two to register that I have click
#656 [15:13] <kupo> GreyVulpine: I could shoot you the info in pm if you wanna take a look
#657 [15:14] <darcknes> i got 61 of Java
#658 [15:15] <GreyVulpine> kupo - Have you looked at a traceroute, made sure packets weren't being dropped more than usual? Checked the latency?
#659 [15:15] <kupo> I could I guess
#660 [15:15] <kupo> I'm just going by minecrafts initial latency measure
#661 [15:15] <GreyVulpine> darcknes - 61?
#662 [15:16] <darcknes> update 61 I belive
#663 [15:16] <GreyVulpine> There's an update 61 for java?
#664 [15:16] <kupo> I believe so
#665 [15:17] <GreyVulpine> Could you double check
#666 [15:17] <darcknes> http://www.java.com/en/download/index.jsp
#667 [15:18] <GreyVulpine> darcknes - I'd like to know what version of java you installed
#668 [15:20] <darcknes> Java 64 bit V6 Update 31
#669 [15:20] <darcknes> srry I ment 31 not 61
#670 [15:20] <GreyVulpine> I thought you were running 4 gigs of RAM, with 3.75 usable?
#671 [15:20] <darcknes> ya
#672 [15:21] <GreyVulpine> That's telling me you're not running a 64 bit operating system
#673 [15:21] <darcknes> I am
#674 [15:21] <darcknes> win 7 premium 64-bit
#675 [15:21] <GreyVulpine> You.. are?
#676 [15:21] <darcknes> ya
#677 [15:23] <GreyVulpine> darcknes - Are you running some sort of integrated video card by any chance?
#678 [15:24] <darcknes> ya NVIDIA GeForce 6150SE
#679 [15:24] <darcknes> i know its bad
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#681 [15:27] <GreyVulpine> darcknes - Have you tried updating your video drivers?
#682 [15:27] <darcknes> yup
#683 [15:28] <GreyVulpine> So before all this happened, do you remember making any major changes to your computer?
#684 [15:28] <darcknes> no
#685 [15:28] <GreyVulpine> Did you install any programs? Updated anything?
#686 [15:28] <darcknes> no
#687 [15:29] <darcknes> Minecraft does this randomly
#688 [15:29] <GreyVulpine> You didn't use any mods, nor installed any HD texture packs?
#689 [15:29] <darcknes> some days it works and others it does what is doing now
#690 [15:29] <darcknes> no
#691 [15:29] <darcknes> no HD or Mods
#692 [15:30] <GreyVulpine> When you go to check the "Programs and Features" list in your Windows Control panel, is Java 6, Update 31 the only java listed there?
#693 [15:31] <darcknes> ya
#694 [15:32] <kupo> darcknes: silly question, have you shut down all other programs when you try to run MC ?
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#696 [15:32] <GreyVulpine> Perhaps got any antivirii or security programs running a scan at the same time?
#697 [15:33] <darcknes> nope
#698 [15:33] <GreyVulpine> Does it do this on both the downloadable client as well as the in-browser version at minecraft.net/play ?
#699 [15:33] <darcknes> unless they have been scaning since yesterday
#700 [15:33] <Omega_Guardian> Avast now every 2nd time I shutdown pops up some suspicious warning about...something. But computer is shutting down so I can't read it :P
#701 [15:34] <GreyVulpine> Avast, among other AVs, has been known to flag lwjgl/minecraft.jar as false positives.
#702 [15:34] <darcknes> yes I belive so
#703 [15:35] <darcknes> I've had my AV for a while and its never been a prob before
#704 [15:35] <GreyVulpine> We've heard that many times before here. I can give you a list of AVs that have been known to cause problems with Minecraft here.
#705 [15:36] <GreyVulpine> All of which, users swear their AVs haven't do anything like it before... but that's beside the point
#706 [15:36] <GreyVulpine> darcknes - Done a reboot recently?
#707 [15:37] <darcknes> no
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#709 [15:37] <GreyVulpine> darcknes - Might be something to consider, if you haven't done so recently. Would free up any memory that would still be reserved
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#711 [15:38] <Sarah_n_d> Hi, whenever I try to access classic Minecraft or regular Minecraft online, I get a fatal error(5): Write error
#712 [15:38] <Sarah_n_d> Has anyone had experience with that?
#713 [15:38] <Sarah_n_d> I have looked all over for help
#714 [15:39] <GreyVulpine> Sarah_n_d - usually happens because of an overactive AV that's blocking minecraft from downloading its files
#715 [15:39] <Sarah_n_d> Ah, this is a new computer.
#716 [15:39] <Sarah_n_d> How can I fix it?
#717 [15:39] <GreyVulpine> New computer, as in no AV?
#718 [15:40] <Sarah_n_d> What does AV stand for?
#719 [15:40] <GreyVulpine> Antivirus?
#720 [15:40] <SmilingDevil> Antivirtus
#721 [15:40] <Sarah_n_d> Ah ok
#722 [15:40] <SmilingDevil> Virus*
#723 [15:40] <SmilingDevil> >_>
#724 [15:40] <Sarah_n_d> Well it came with McAfee
#725 [15:40] <Sarah_n_d> But it has expired already
#726 [15:40] <GreyVulpine> Try disabling mcafee's protection engine, and trying minecraft again
#727 [15:40] <Sarah_n_d> I have a screenshot, but essentially
#728 [15:40] <Sarah_n_d> ok
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#730 [15:41] <GreyVulpine> If it's not that, the other reason usually stems from corrupt temp files in java.
#731 [15:42] <Sarah_n_d> Is there anything specific I should disable?
#732 [15:42] <Sarah_n_d> The firewall is on
#733 [15:42] <GreyVulpine> Usually the antivirus portion
#734 [15:45] <kupo> GreyVulpine: any other insights for me?
#735 [15:45] <Sarah_n_d> All right I turned real scanning off, same result...
#736 [15:46] <Sarah_n_d> Should I turn all antivirus off?
#737 [15:46] <GreyVulpine> Sarah_n_d - Do you know how to clear your java temp files?
#738 [15:46] <Sarah_n_d> No
#739 [15:46] <GreyVulpine> Sarah_n_d - What operating system are you running?
#740 [15:47] <Sarah_n_d> Dell, Windows 7
#741 [15:47] <GreyVulpine> kupo - Hmm, at first glance, I'd say it's a network latency issue, but I'd need more information. What version of java did you say the server was running?
#742 [15:47] <kupo> sun java 1.6.0.26
#743 [15:48] <kupo> sun java 1.6.0_26
#744 [15:48] <GreyVulpine> Sarah_n_d - Go to your start menu, then control panel. Find the java applet there. In the first tab, you should find a heading for temporary files, go into settings, then clear out the files from there.
#745 [15:48] <Sarah_n_d> ok
#746 [15:49] <GreyVulpine> kupo - Hmm, alright.. Are you just using the vanilla server binary from minecraft.net/download ?
#747 [15:49] <kupo> yes, you asked me this
#748 [15:49] <GreyVulpine> kupo - Are you using the suggested launch cmd from there?
#749 [15:50] <Sarah_n_d> As a side note, It says Java has stopped working 31 times as of a few weeks
#750 [15:50] <GreyVulpine> kupo - If not, how are you launching the server binary?
#751 [15:51] <kupo> I am using the suggested command
#752 [15:53] <kupo> GreyVulpine:
#753 [15:53] <GreyVulpine> Don't suppose you've got access to another box that can host, just to rule out the physical server
#754 [15:53] <Sarah_n_d> I cleared them, but it didn't work : (
#755 [15:54] <GreyVulpine> Sarah_n_d - Hmm... Could you try a complete uninstall and reinstall of java?
#756 [15:54] <Sarah_n_d> I'll try
#757 [15:55] <Sarah_n_d> It seems I have two versions: a regular Java, and a 64 bit
#758 [15:55] <Sarah_n_d> Is this normal?
#759 [15:55] <Sarah_n_d> I have a 64 bit
#760 [15:55] <GreyVulpine> It is, try uninstalling both and reinstalling it
#761 [15:55] <kupo> GreyVulpine: I could but it would be identical hw
#762 [15:57] <GreyVulpine> Hmm?
#763 [15:59] <Sarah_n_d> It says I have to restart my computer
#764 [15:59] <Sarah_n_d> I'll be back in a few minutes
#765 [15:59] * GreyVulpine nods
#765 [15:59] <Sarah_n_d> Thank you for helping
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#771 [16:17] <mib_5ga4te> hello?
#772 [16:17] <mib_5ga4te> hello?
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#775 [16:18] <mib_5ga4te> Hello I need help please
#776 [16:20] <Morrolan> Ask your question and you might get some.
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#779 [16:22] <Oreios> Hi
#780 [16:22] <mib_5ga4te> Yes, my question is how to fix minecraft?
#781 [16:22] <kupo> mib_5ga4te: use a 3/4 wrench
#782 [16:23] <Morrolan> You'll have to be more specific, mib_5ga4te.
#783 [16:23] <mib_5ga4te> lol no you can'T fix a program with a wrench kupo
#784 [16:23] <Oreios> my question is about technic SSP
#785 [16:23] <Oreios> any1 can help with that?
#786 [16:23] <mib_5ga4te> it is just black when i start minecraft
#787 [16:24] <kupo> mib_5ga4te: you can if it's a pebkac problem
#788 [16:24] <mib_5ga4te> what is pebcak???
#789 [16:24] <kupo> you could google it
#790 [16:25] <Morrolan> Are you on WIndows, mib_5ga4te.
#791 [16:25] <Morrolan> ? *
#792 [16:25] <Morrolan> Actually, no matter the operating system you're on, open the launcher, select "options", select "force update" and log in as usual.
#793 [16:26] <mib_5ga4te> no, there is no options just black
#794 [16:26] <Oreios> I want to play Technic SSP for minecraft. But I don't want ruins to spawn everywhere
#795 [16:26] <Oreios> Who knows wich mod I need to disable
#796 [16:26] <Morrolan> In the _launcher_, the program where you enter your username and password, mib_5ga4te.
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#798 [16:26] <Morrolan> Oreios - No clue, might want to ask the mod's creator.
#799 [16:26] <Oreios> Its a bunch of mods
#800 [16:26] <Oreios> thats Technic pack
#801 [16:26] <Oreios> same like tekkit but for single player
#802 [16:27] <mib_5ga4te> yes that is black
#803 [16:27] <Morrolan> Yea, but chances of someone here knowing his way around this modpack is small. ;)
#804 [16:27] <Oreios> there is no tekkit help irc :(
#805 [16:27] <Morrolan> mib_5ga4te - Wait, that one is black already?
#806 [16:28] <Morrolan> Oreios - Forum thread?
#807 [16:28] <mib_5ga4te> yes
#808 [16:28] <Morrolan> mib_5ga4te - Does the browser-version of Minecraft work? 22bd7d8f912e5eb54c1e4399bf3a8b07f2f59de9
#809 [16:28] <Morrolan> Arg
#810 [16:28] <Morrolan> http://www.minecraft.net/play
#811 [16:28] <Morrolan> that's the correct link.
#812 [16:28] <Morrolan> that's the correct link.
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#814 [16:29] <mib_5ga4te> black :(((
#815 [16:29] <Morrolan> Grab yourself the .jar launcher (https://s3.amazonaws.com/MinecraftDownload/launcher/minecraft.jar) and try that one. :(
#816 [16:29] <Morrolan> :/ *
#817 [16:30] <mib_5ga4te> how do i start it
#818 [16:31] <Morrolan> You should be able to just double-click it if Java is installed properly.
#819 [16:31] <mib_5ga4te> it opens a window with files?
#820 [16:33] <Morrolan> Looks like some archiving software is associated with .jar files then. Right click the file and select "open with" -> "Java(TM) Platform"
#821 [16:33] <mib_5ga4te> there is no java in openwiht
#822 [16:34] <Morrolan> Okay. Do you know how to open a command prompt?
#823 [16:34] <mib_5ga4te> yes
#824 [16:34] <Morrolan> Open one, enter "java -version", hit enter and tell me what it says.
#825 [16:34] <kupo> Morrolan: GreyVulpine how can I tell what version of server I'm running?
#826 [16:34] <mib_5ga4te> "java: Unknown command"
#827 [16:35] <Morrolan> kupo - The server will output it to the console on startup, pretty much the first line.
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#829 [16:36] <Morrolan> mib_5ga4te - Chances are that Java isn't even installed on your computer. Head to http://java.com/download and install it. :/
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#831 [16:36] <mib_5ga4te> k
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#833 [16:55] <kupo> Morrolan: oops gotcha ty
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#835 [17:03] <killfront> is there eneywere i can download a minecraft_server 1.2.3.jar
#836 [17:06] <killfront> eneyone
#837 [17:07] <Morrolan> You could use a tool like MCNostalgia to downgrade a current server.
#838 [17:07] <Morrolan> You can't, however, download a 1.2.3 directly.
#839 [17:08] <Morrolan> Also, it's "anywhere" and "anyone", not "eneywhere" or "eneyone" ;)
#840 [17:08] <killfront> mcnostalgia works for servers too
#841 [17:08] <Morrolan> I believe it does.
#842 [17:08] <Morrolan> But I have to admit I never tried it myself.
#843 [17:08] <killfront> ok ill try it ty eneyway
#844 [17:10] <Morrolan> Hmm, seems I'm wrong, don't see any server versions listed on that tool's forum thread.
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#847 [17:27] <andrewxios> eneyone, eneyone and eneyway xD is that some sort of slang?
#848 [17:28] <andrewxios> eneywere* i have even difficulties to type that wrong xD
#849 [17:30] <Zeus5966> Hi all
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#852 [18:02] <lilacorn> Anyone here can help me solve an error problem?
#853 [18:03] <Zeus5966> I can try
#854 [18:03] <Zeus5966> whats up?
#855 [18:03] <Zeus5966> hello?
#856 [18:03] <lilacorn> My server crashed as i went to create a world with MV but i cannot get it back up... I dunno if i understand the server log correctly
#857 [18:04] <Zeus5966> Put it on Pastebin and send me the link
#858 [18:04] <lilacorn> but it seems like it says i need more ram/memory?
#859 [18:04] <lilacorn> hmmm
#860 [18:04] <Zeus5966> again, send me the pastebin link to your server log.
#861 [18:05] <Zeus5966> also, you may need to allocate more ram to the server as well
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#864 [18:10] <Stygander> hey does anyone know any way to map all items a mod adds?
#865 [18:11] <Zeus5966> TMI or NEI
#866 [18:11] <Zeus5966> they show you the extra modded items
#867 [18:11] <Stygander> i guess ill use nei, but its gonna be slow for now
#868 [18:12] <Zeus5966> why do you ask?
#869 [18:12] <Stygander> im trying to sort out what content packs use what ids for flans
#870 [18:13] <Zeus5966> usually you can just have a look in their configuration files
#871 [18:13] <Zeus5966> they tend to put them there so you can change them
#872 [18:13] <Stygander> ahh okay, hmm ill need to find then each one
#873 [18:14] <Zeus5966> go into /appdata/.minecraft/config
#874 [18:15] <Stygander> Zeus5966: ill check that but i dont think its there
#875 [18:15] <Zeus5966> hmmm okay
#876 [18:15] <Zeus5966> just look around the .minecraft a bit then
#877 [18:16] <Stygander> Zeus5966: i know where all the content packs are, its just i dont wanna have to open every text file included
#878 [18:16] <Zeus5966> Oooooh I see what you mean.
#879 [18:16] <Zeus5966> In that case, no, there is no program that does that. Unless you want to ask someone to mod it.
#880 [18:17] <Stygander> hmm well i guess i could just search for .txt files
#881 [18:17] <Zeus5966> yeup
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#885 [18:23] <yoshi> how do i change the look of my character?
#886 [18:23] <Zeus5966> minecraft.net
#887 [18:23] <Zeus5966> then log in
#888 [18:23] <Zeus5966> then go to profile
#889 [18:24] <Zeus5966> then upload a new character .png
#890 [18:24] <yoshi> how do i get a new character though?
#891 [18:25] <yoshi> is there a website where i can download .png for a new character ?
#892 [18:26] <Zeus5966> planetminecraft.net
#893 [18:26] <SmilingDevil> SCOTT
#894 [18:26] <yoshi> thanks
#895 [18:26] <SmilingDevil> Your control panel is being silly
#896 [18:26] <Zeus5966> np
#897 [18:26] <SmilingDevil> Oops
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#899 [18:27] <Sarah_n_d> Um high, sorry I took so long, if GreyVulpine is here
#900 [18:27] <Sarah_n_d> Hi
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#906 [18:46] <KevinA> I have a problem, i'm trying to build a few kilometer long redstone wire, so every 10 meters or so i put in a redstone repeater, only sometimes, the repeaters don't shut off, and sometimes they don't turn on. if i the redstone someware infront of it, and then put it back, it works, until i throw the switch again. has oneone else had that problem?
#907 [18:46] <KevinA> s/oneone/anyone/
#908 [18:47] <zkxs> it sounds like the problem is the chunks not being loaded
#909 [18:48] <Wug> ^
#910 [18:48] <Wug> redstone only works up to a certain distance from the player
#911 [18:48] <KevinA> ah, ok
#912 [18:48] <KevinA> thanks
#913 [18:57] <KevinA> is there a way to increase that distance?
#914 [18:58] <Morrolan> Not without modding the server / client.
#915 [18:59] <Morrolan> There are plugins which allow certain chunks to stay loaded all the time though.
#916 [19:00] <KevinA> thanks, i'll look into them
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#929 [20:10] <lilacorn> anyone know if there is such plugin that does not consume so much ram? I have multiverse, iconomy, lockette, appleseed and chestshop
#930 [20:13] <clarjon1> lilacorn: this is the place for Vanilla support
#931 [20:13] <clarjon1> lilacorn: you might want to ask in #Bukkit
#932 [20:13] <lilacorn> ahh k thx for the tip!
#933 [20:14] <lilacorn> vanilla is like plain minecraft? or some other future like bukkit?
#934 [20:15] <clarjon1> Vanilla is plain minecraft
#935 [20:15] <clarjon1> unmodded :)
#936 [20:15] <lilacorn> ahh
#937 [20:15] <SmilingDevil> "or some other future like bukkit?"
#938 [20:15] <SmilingDevil> lol'd
#939 [20:15] <lilacorn> sorry for being such a noob.... :P
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#944 [20:38] <fenster> #freebnc
#945 [20:38] <fenster> test
#946 [20:39] <SmilingDevil> wut
#947 [20:43] <zkxs> anyone who sends the word 'test' after joining a channel is sure to be an IRC noob
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#949 [20:47] <Sarah_n_d> Could I get some help with fatal error(5):Write error?
#950 [20:47] <Sarah_n_d> New computer, uninstalled and reinstalled java
#951 [20:47] <Sarah_n_d> Cleared temp java files
#952 [20:47] <Sarah_n_d> Dell, Windows 7
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#958 [21:37] <dualpower> hey i am trying to host a server
#959 [21:37] <dualpower> but
#960 [21:38] <dualpower> my tcp and udp ports are blocked. any suggestions why?
#961 [21:38] <dualpower> i've portforwarded it too
#962 [21:38] <kupo> unblock em?
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#964 [21:39] <stomper> can someone help me with a hamachi server?
#965 [21:39] <dualpower> how?
#966 [21:39] <dualpower> because i don't even know what's blocking it
#967 [21:39] <kupo> dualpower: that's your first question then
#968 [21:39] <kupo> dualpower: what could be blocking it
#969 [21:40] <stomper> well me and my friends have been on it for weeks/ months now and i go to log on today and it just says downloading terrian then goes to a timed out error all my friends can get on but me and im the one running the server
#970 [21:40] <dualpower> i'm not sure, so any suggestions as to what could be blocking it?
#971 [21:41] <stomper> can someone help me?
#972 [21:41] <WugBot> stomper: (ww) Help you with what? Please describe the problem in detail.
#973 [21:41] <kupo> dualpower: think about everything possible between the client and the server
#974 [21:41] <stomper> WugBot, well me and my friends have been on it for weeks/ months now and i go to log on today and it just says downloading terrian then goes to a timed out error all my friends can get on but me and im the one running the serve
#975 [21:42] <stomper> WugBot, hamachi server
#976 [21:42] <kupo> stomper: you're trying to talk to a bot
#977 [21:42] <stomper> kupo, oh... can you help?
#978 [21:42] <kupo> prolly not
#979 [21:42] <stomper> kupo, know anyone who can?
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#981 [21:42] <kupo> i think the problem is you need to consider whats going on
#982 [21:42] <kupo> and try one variable at a time
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#984 [21:43] <stomper> i have? like whats? i have tried everything
#985 [21:43] <stomper> fuck this!
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#987 [21:44] <kupo> nice.....
#988 [21:44] <Wejq|irssi> nice
#989 [21:44] <kupo> nice?
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#991 [21:45] <Wejq|irssi> nice and detail problem description
#992 [21:45] <Wejq|irssi> xD
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#1002 [22:39] <Famous> Hello
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#1010 [23:19] <Ryladine> h god
#1011 [23:19] <Kealper> je
#1012 [23:19] <Wug> lol
#1013 [23:19] <Kealper> bus
#1014 [23:20] <Ryladine> lol
#1015 [23:20] <Ryladine> On another note, hi. XD
#1016 [23:20] <Kealper> \o
#1017 [23:20] <Kealper> lol
#1018 [23:20] <Kealper> D:
#1019 [23:20] <Ryladine> The spam!!!
#1020 [23:21] <JohnEBH> OH MY GOD!
#1021 [23:21] <Kealper> ^
#1022 [23:21] <Wug> wugbot is furious
#1023 [23:21] <Wug> ;part
#1024 [23:21] <Wug> and lagging like mad due to throttling
#1025 [23:21] <Kealper> ^
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#1028 [23:22] <Wug> heh
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#1030 [23:22] <Kealper> lol
#1031 [23:22] <Wug> it should rejoin when its done
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#1033 [23:22] <zkxs> us esper having problems?
#1034 [23:22] <Wug> seems that way
#1035 [23:22] <zkxs> s/us/is
#1036 [23:22] <zkxs> as long as it isn't me :P
#1037 [23:23] <Kealper> i've got it so aubot will refuse to send any packets if to many joins are recieved too quickly
#1038 [23:25] <Kealper> http://i.imgur.com/8DNm7.png aubot was not a happy camper with that netsplit :o
#1039 [23:26] <Kealper> it's like Christmas in its console from that lol
#1040 [23:28] <SmilingDevil> Kealper, Christmas \o/
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