#1 [00:00] <Olican101> hes on his phone aswell
#2 [00:00] <Cruplezone> that could work too
#3 [00:00] <Cruplezone> -.-
#4 [00:00] <Olican101> ill call up my isp tomorow
#5 [00:00] <Olican101> ask if they can do it from their end
#6 [00:00] <Cruplezone> Wait a minute
#7 [00:01] <Cruplezone> Are you saying you're a girl
#8 [00:01] <GreyVulpine> You'll find that most ISPs frown upon hosting servers from a home.
#9 [00:01] <Olican101> when did i say i was a girl?
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#11 [00:01] <superkabii> oh god
#12 [00:01] <Wug> oh here we go
#13 [00:01] <Cruplezone> I don't know
#14 [00:01] <Cruplezone> but I googled your name
#15 [00:01] <Cruplezone> and your a guy
#16 [00:01] <Cruplezone> My bad
#17 [00:01] <Olican101> lol im a guy xD
#18 [00:01] <Olican101> gay if that helps
#19 [00:01] <Cruplezone> Woops
#20 [00:01] <Cruplezone> Ya
#21 [00:01] <Cruplezone> that does
#22 [00:01] <Olican101> lmao
#23 [00:02] <Cruplezone> Hey?
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#25 [00:02] <Olican101> i had an idea but forgot it =/
#26 [00:02] <Cruplezone> Ya
#27 [00:02] <Cruplezone> Me aswell
#28 [00:02] <Cruplezone> Hey
#29 [00:02] <Olican101> hate when that happens
#30 [00:02] <Cruplezone> did you post that walking video on youtube X)
#31 [00:02] <Cruplezone> I saw it
#32 [00:03] <Olican101> ahh idea
#33 [00:03] <Olican101> ok what if i plugged my phone in via usb
#34 [00:03] <Olican101> then my laptop would BE my router
#35 [00:03] <Cruplezone> *Lightbulb*
#36 [00:03] <Olican101> could i portforward then?
#37 [00:03] <GreyVulpine> It.. doesn't work that way
#38 [00:03] <Cruplezone> Ya....
#39 [00:03] <Olican101> i read a forum on it
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#41 [00:04] <Cruplezone> Well then can you toss the link?
#42 [00:04] <Olican101> if u plug a dongle in ur laptop is the router
#43 [00:04] <Olican101> 1 sec
#44 [00:04] <Cruplezone> Cause I'm preeeety sure that's not how it works
#45 [00:04] <Cruplezone> In my opinion I think otherwise
#46 [00:04] <Olican101> http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=64875026
#47 [00:04] <Olican101> basically 3 dont block ports
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#49 [00:05] <Olican101> and if its connected directly via usb... then theres only the 1 port so its auto forwarded...
#50 [00:05] <GreyVulpine> That person... has no idea what they're talking about
#51 [00:06] <Olican101> ok so if none of my ports are blocked... does that open any ways?
#52 [00:06] <Cruplezone> o.O
#53 [00:06] <Cruplezone> Ok
#54 [00:06] <Cruplezone> You guys can tackle this one
#55 [00:06] <Cruplezone> I'm going to sleep
#56 [00:07] * Cruplezone is going to catch some Zzzzzs
#56 [00:07] <Olican101> ill just fone 3 tomorow
#57 [00:09] <Olican101> so if the port isnt closed and theirs only 1 pc connected will it automatically forward?
#58 [00:09] <Wug> I have no idea
#59 [00:10] <Wug> that would be a question for the android documentation
#60 [00:10] <GreyVulpine> If your computer is grabbing a public IP address from your phone, there's nothing to forward.
#61 [00:10] <GreyVulpine> The reason you're port forwarding, is because you're running a router. What a router does, is grab a public IP address, and translate it into multiple private ip addresses
#62 [00:11] <Olican101> "With a 3G dongle you will connect directly to the provider's mobile network, which implies you have no direct control over the ports. But there's really no need to, because you will get assigned a single IP address, where no port forwarding is needed - you have only one device behind the IP, as there's not router present. Port forwarding is not needed, as th
#63 [00:11] <GreyVulpine> The nature of port forwarding, is that you're telling your router, "All traffic coming in on this port, goes to this private IP address"
#64 [00:12] <Olican101> http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110808051245AAPP8XZ
#65 [00:12] <Olican101> im not on a router
#66 [00:12] <Olican101> im directly connected
#67 [00:12] <Olican101> as that says
#68 [00:12] <GreyVulpine> If you're unable to host a game server, there's one of two reasons. Either your cell network doesn't allow it, or your computer's blocking traffic via a security software/setting/firewall
#69 [00:13] <Olican101> i can host game servers just not minecraft
#70 [00:13] <Olican101> i could try different ports?
#71 [00:13] <Olican101> i know 8888 works...
#72 [00:14] <Olican101> would i need to select that the ports different in minecraft anywhere?
#73 [00:14] <GreyVulpine> In server.properties
#74 [00:15] <Olican101> yeah there but when i connect to the server
#75 [00:15] <Olican101> would i need to type like ip:8080?
#76 [00:15] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#77 [00:15] <Olican101> kay 1 sec
#78 [00:17] <Olican101> im getting :perhaps a server is already running on that port?
#79 [00:17] <Olican101> can i see whats tanking up the port?#
#80 [00:17] <GreyVulpine> Then there's something running on port 8080 on your computer
#81 [00:17] <Olican101> any way i can tell what it is?
#82 [00:17] <Olican101> i used to use it for my vpn
#83 [00:18] <GreyVulpine> With netstat -b
#84 [00:18] <Olican101> thx =]
#85 [00:20] <Olican101> nothings taking up the port...
#86 [00:20] <Olican101> and no matter what port im getting "Failed to bind to port"
#87 [00:20] <GreyVulpine> Are you filling in server-ip as well?
#88 [00:20] <Olican101> yes
#89 [00:21] <Wug> stop
#90 [00:21] <GreyVulpine> That would be why. Leave it blank
#91 [00:21] <Olican101> i tried that
#92 [00:21] <Olican101> "server-ip=92.40.254.216" to blank in server?
#93 [00:21] <Wug> Olican101: listen
#94 [00:21] <GreyVulpine> "server-ip="
#95 [00:21] <Wug> not specifying it causes the server to listen on all available ips
#96 [00:21] <Wug> so just dont
#97 [00:21] <Olican101> ok then in the server port i type 8080
#98 [00:22] <GreyVulpine> If no other program or service is listening on 8080, yes
#99 [00:22] <Olican101> closest one is 8963 in cmd
#100 [00:23] <Olican101> nope failed to connect
#101 [00:23] <Olican101> oh 1 sec
#102 [00:23] <Olican101> server crashed is why
#103 [00:24] <Olican101> hmmm whell servers switched on
#104 [00:24] <GreyVulpine> ;check 92.40.254.216:8080
#105 [00:24] <WugBot> Unable to connect to address: 92.40.254.216:8080 (Timed out)
#106 [00:24] <Olican101> pinging?
#107 [00:24] <Wug> ;ip Olican101
#108 [00:24] <WugBot> IP address of Olican101 is: 92.40.254.216
#109 [00:24] <Olican101> im doing 8888
#110 [00:25] <GreyVulpine> ;check 92.40.254.216:8888
#111 [00:25] <Olican101> 1 sec
#112 [00:25] <WugBot> Unable to connect to address: 92.40.254.216:8888 (Timed out)
#113 [00:25] <Olican101> lemme switch it back on
#114 [00:25] <Olican101> ok try now
#115 [00:25] <GreyVulpine> ;check 92.40.254.216:8888
#116 [00:25] <WugBot> Unable to connect to address: 92.40.254.216:8888 (Timed out)
#117 [00:25] <Olican101> hmm
#118 [00:25] <Olican101> lemme try 1 thing
#119 [00:25] <GreyVulpine> Got any security software or firewalls on the computer?
#120 [00:25] <Olican101> switched off
#121 [00:26] <Olican101> changing connection
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#124 [00:35] <olican101> ok back
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#126 [00:37] <olican101> is 178ms pinging ur own ip normal?
#127 [00:38] <olican101> guys could i use noip to host a minecraft server?
#128 [00:39] <GreyVulpine> no-ip doesn't work that way
#129 [00:41] <olican101> damn
#130 [00:41] <olican101> how many kbps and what ping would i need for a mc server?
#131 [00:41] <olican101> my parents are 800ms ping and 64kbps...
#132 [00:42] <lemon-rev> the lower the ping the better
#133 [00:42] <olican101> i could host it off their pc (my mum dont touch it shes scared that if she types google into google shell break the internet)
#134 [00:42] <GreyVulpine> Do you like pressing a button and waiting nearly a second for your character to move?
#135 [00:42] <olican101> i know that but what would u say the minimum
#136 [00:42] <GreyVulpine> That's up to you, and how much you can tolerate.
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#138 [00:44] <olican101> so it would work?
#139 [00:44] <olican101> cos i tried to host some things off their pc
#140 [00:45] <olican101> and it just wouldnt even start
#141 [00:45] <olican101> just timed out
#142 [00:45] <GreyVulpine> With 800ms, and 64kbps upload? I would seriously doubt you'll be able to play on that.
#143 [00:46] <bearlindo> Hi my minecraft does not look as it should. When i log in to it now i got these stripes betwen the block in daytime in minecraft. Those stripes annoys me and i think its something in the graphic. Someone ho knows a solution. Picture of the problem: http://i.imgur.com/y3MQm.png
#144 [00:47] <lemon-rev> bearlindo are you running mods ?
#145 [00:47] <olican101> might be a texture pack
#146 [00:47] <lemon-rev> hm, is there something running in the background,
#147 [00:47] <lemon-rev> ?
#148 [00:47] <lemon-rev> like a video or something ?
#149 [00:47] <bearlindo> no not at that moment
#150 [00:47] <bearlindo> i can try again to be sure
#151 [00:47] <Stygander> bearlindo: doyou have a texture pack on?
#152 [00:48] <olican101> my bf had a similar issue... he loaded a texture pack then went back...
#153 [00:48] <GreyVulpine> Picture looks to be using the default texture pack
#154 [00:48] <olican101> but then stuck to the texture pack ^^
#155 [00:49] <Stygander> GreyVulpine: ive seen some have vanilla looking texturepacks with minor changes
#156 [00:50] <olican101> some packs just change the lighting
#157 [00:51] <bearlindo> now im runnig a clean version with just this irc client in bakground and firefox and it still looks the same
#158 [00:52] <bearlindo> my water for exampel looks like squaresville
#159 [00:52] <lemon-rev> bearlindo hwo did you go back to the orgional, did you kill the bin folder or just force update ?
#160 [00:52] <bearlindo> i re installed it totally
#161 [00:53] <Stygander> bearlindo: try switching from fast to fancy or vice versa
#162 [00:53] <lemon-rev> bearlindo so force update or deleted the whole directory ?
#163 [00:53] <bearlindo> i delete .minecraft
#164 [00:53] <bearlindo> and download it again
#165 [00:53] <lemon-rev> ok
#166 [00:53] <bearlindo> Stygander already tried
#167 [00:53] <lemon-rev> bearlindo try also making sure you might have a blank background set on your desktop as well, might stop that image from appearing
#168 [00:54] <olican101> forgot how to put someones name before a message =S
#169 [00:54] <bearlindo> olican101 tab button
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#171 [00:54] <olican101> bearlindo try loading a different texture pack then the default again
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#173 [00:55] <olican101> ohh u dont need the ~ on this lol (new client)
#174 [00:55] <Stygander> olican101: or for me i just click the names
#175 [00:55] <olican101> im on mibbit
#176 [00:55] <bearlindo> olicN
#177 [00:55] <bearlindo> olican101 no different
#178 [00:55] <bearlindo> shoul i reinstall java?
#179 [00:55] <olican101> ?
#180 [00:56] <bearlindo> should
#181 [00:56] <olican101> me? =P
#182 [00:56] <lemon-rev> you can try
#183 [00:56] <bearlindo> olican101 you said to me try with a different htemepack i did but no different
#184 [00:56] <bearlindo> texturepack i mean
#185 [00:56] <bearlindo> not themepack
#186 [00:57] <olican101> lolol cake =P
#187 [00:57] <bearlindo> i wonder should i reinstall java
#188 [00:57] <olican101> white text ftw xD
#189 [00:57] <bearlindo> what do you guys think?
#190 [00:58] <bearlindo> well i try that npw
#191 [00:58] <bearlindo> now
#192 [00:59] <olican101> load a different pack then back again
#193 [00:59] <olican101> my bf was getting lines
#194 [00:59] <olican101> brb changing clients
#195 [00:59] <bearlindo> i tried that but it shows no different
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#198 [01:01] <olican101> hey =]
#199 [01:01] <olican101> hey =]
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#203 [01:05] <olican101> guys how comes im getting an error in #minecraft ?
#204 [01:05] <lemon-rev> what error
#205 [01:05] <GreyVulpine> You need to register your nick before you're able to talk in #minecraft
#206 [01:05] <olican101> its saying "cannot send to channel"
#207 [01:05] <GreyVulpine> /ns help registerr
#208 [01:05] <GreyVulpine> /ns help register
#209 [01:05] <olican101> ahhh
#210 [01:05] <olican101> thx
#211 [01:06] <olican101> i miss my old nickserv
#212 [01:06] <olican101> i used to have conversations with her when i was bored
#213 [01:06] <bearlindo> it still shows foes awful stripes
#214 [01:06] <bearlindo> does
#215 [01:07] <Stygander> bearlindo: hmmm never seen it before
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#217 [01:07] <olican101> id always talk to her but shed never reply =[
#218 [01:07] <olican101> just used to say invalid to me
#219 [01:08] <Stygander> olican101: lol
#220 [01:08] <olican101> they have verify register now?
#221 [01:09] <olican101> wow ircs changed in 3 years
#222 [01:10] <olican101> ami in?
#223 [01:10] <KleptoKat> mmhmm
#224 [01:10] <olican101> woo ^^
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#228 [01:28] <bearlindo> GreyVulpine are you there
#229 [01:29] <bearlindo> i got rid of those stripes now
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#295 [07:05] <nicky> Hey
#296 [07:06] <nicky> who can help me with installing indrustal craft?
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#300 [07:26] <Calinou> nicky, we don't really support mods on this channel
#301 [07:27] <Calinou> if you want to install mod, at least make sure to delete the meta-inf folder, install the dependencies (most mods require ModLoader) and use compatible mods (with the latest version)
#302 [07:27] <Calinou> mods*
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#304 [07:28] <mib_1bmkgz> hi
#305 [07:28] <mib_1bmkgz> please help xD
#306 [07:29] <Calinou> yes?
#307 [07:29] <Calinou> sorry, I can't read stuff inside people's brains.
#308 [07:29] <Calinou> don't ask to ask.
#309 [07:29] <mib_1bmkgz> there is someone who advised me?
#310 [07:29] <Calinou> what?
#311 [07:29] <mib_1bmkgz> from ?
#312 [07:29] <Calinou> if you have a problem just ask :P
#313 [07:30] <mib_1bmkgz> when I turn on my Minecraft so it automatically releases furcata update and nothing happens
#314 [07:30] <Calinou> did minecraft work before? or did it never work?
#315 [07:31] <Calinou> make sure you have proper, up-to-date graphic card drivers.
#316 [07:31] <mib_1bmkgz> How do I fix
#317 [07:31] <mib_1bmkgz> no grafic
#318 [07:31] <mib_1bmkgz> i play minract enter game
#319 [07:31] <mib_1bmkgz> go furce update no download
#320 [07:32] <Calinou> so you're using a pirated version?
#321 [07:32] <mib_1bmkgz> Minecraft ladies do a game and does not enter it into the upload and not download it
#322 [07:33] <mib_1bmkgz> yes I have illegal version but I'm afraid that if you bought the orginal 20 euros from me it will do
#323 [07:34] <mib_1bmkgz> ?
#324 [07:35] <mib_1bmkgz> yes or no please help
#325 [07:36] <GreyVulpine> Go buy minecraft. We do not assist with pirated versions of minecraft here.
#326 [07:37] <mib_1bmkgz> ok I get it and when you bought are legal and will not occupy me This will help me?
#327 [07:38] <GreyVulpine> I do not understand your translator.
#328 [07:38] <mib_1bmkgz> i buy :) official version
#329 [07:38] <mib_1bmkgz> dont play they help my ?
#330 [07:39] <GreyVulpine> Once you buy the official version and you still get the problem, we'll help.
#331 [07:40] <GreyVulpine> Otherwise, we do not know what the illegal version of minecraft is doing to your machine. It could give you viruses.
#332 [07:41] <mib_1bmkgz> ok thank you I'm feeling it and when did you zapltim pres card for me as long as it comes?
#333 [07:41] <GreyVulpine> Huh?
#334 [07:42] <mib_1bmkgz> i buy cart internet
#335 [07:42] <mib_1bmkgz> how long for me to come?
#336 [07:42] <GreyVulpine> Once the bank clears the payment, you'll be premium
#337 [07:44] <mib_1bmkgz> what it is ? Buy a Gift code to give away
#338 [07:44] <GreyVulpine> Buy an account.
#339 [07:45] <mib_1bmkgz> and
#340 [07:45] <mib_1bmkgz> buy minecraft for this acc
#341 [07:45] <GreyVulpine> Yes.
#342 [07:46] <mib_1bmkgz> who did I buy?
#343 [07:46] <GreyVulpine> For you.
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#345 [07:46] <mib_1bmkgz> which are needed
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#347 [07:47] <GreyVulpine> To play minecraft, yes
#348 [07:47] <mib_1bmkgz> 40 euro or 20 ? .D
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#350 [07:48] <GreyVulpine> 20 euros. You're buying it for yourself.
#351 [07:49] <mib_1bmkgz> So which should I buy buy buy and Minecraft or gift code?
#352 [07:49] <GreyVulpine> Are you playing minecraft, or are you buying minecraft for somebody else?
#353 [07:50] <mib_1bmkgz> aaaa
#354 [07:50] <mib_1bmkgz> thx :)
#355 [07:50] <mib_1bmkgz> im ididot :D
#356 [07:50] <mib_1bmkgz> ok thx :) i buy minecraft :)
#357 [07:51] <GreyVulpine> Okay.
#358 [07:51] <Calinou> don't use enter as punctuation
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#360 [07:51] <mib_1bmkgz> ok
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#362 [07:51] <mib_1bmkgz> thx bey :)
#363 [07:51] <GreyVulpine> Bye.
#364 [07:51] * puffrfish blinks
#364 [07:52] <GreyVulpine> Welcome to the world of Customer Support through an online translator?
#365 [07:53] <Calinou> lol
#366 [07:53] <Calinou> "ok I get it and when you bought are legal and will not occupy me This will help me?"
#367 [07:54] <Calinou> occupy #minecrafthelp
#368 [07:54] <Calinou> we are the 99%
#369 [07:54] <GreyVulpine> I have no idea what he meant by that
#370 [07:56] <Calinou> same.
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#374 [08:08] <Guest> i'm new to minecraft and since last few weeks have been watching all kinds of mod pack videos, so what is the deal with all the mods - is minecraft only fun with that or it is generally fun. Is there a one official place to get to know and read about all the mods
#375 [08:09] <GreyVulpine> It's really up to you. Many people play vanilla minecraft, without mods. Many like the added functionality of mods that you don't get with vanilla.
#376 [08:10] <GreyVulpine> Generally, you would hit up the forums for mods, at http://www.minecraftforum.net/forum/51-minecraft-mods/
#377 [08:10] <Guest> one more question - is minecraft like multiplayer where we have to setup our own servers or like MMO with central server
#378 [08:10] <GreyVulpine> You set up your own servers
#379 [08:10] <Guest> I see
#380 [08:10] <Guest> I see
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#399 [09:13] <NinjaKirby> Hiya guys, anyone here familiar with the Gift Version of Minecraft?
#400 [09:13] <AmberK> It's the same as normal
#401 [09:14] <NinjaKirby> Oh ya, I was just wondering how it's done exactly. So I buy it, it emails the "product key" I guess to the intended gift recipient... and he just inputs it on the Website and recieves an Account in doing so?
#402 [09:15] <DiskDaemon> Your provile page on the minecraft website shows your gift codes. You would give the gift code to someone so that they can use it to buy the game. Their name then gets listed in your provide beside that gift code.
#403 [09:16] <DiskDaemon> *in your profile
#404 [09:16] <NinjaKirby> Oh, interesting, that's fine I guess :P
#405 [09:17] <NinjaKirby> Thanks, I was in here asking dubiously about restrictive gameplay time on a Pirate copy
#406 [09:18] <NinjaKirby> I lent it to a friend, and he called me this morning to say he's been playing till 4am out of beginners addiction, so i'm buying him it :3
#407 [09:18] <DiskDaemon> I cannot answer in regard to pirated copies
#408 [09:19] <DiskDaemon> Mojang are good though with you or your friend replacing pirated versions with paid (or gift-code) versions.
#409 [09:19] <NinjaKirby> lol, well, I just paid by VISA for the gift code, so the 12 hour pirate copy is no longer Pirate
#410 [09:20] <NinjaKirby> Somehow I still feel bad, it was just an innocent trial ~_~
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#412 [09:20] <NinjaKirby> And that's good to hear.
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#419 [10:08] <NinjaKirby> Can someone remind me the Bot command to check server? Thanks :)
#420 [10:08] <NinjaKirby> !check ninjakirby.no-ip.org:41024
#421 [10:08] <NinjaKirby> Ah, so that is it, what a guess
#422 [10:09] <NinjaKirby> That's not my ip address, no wonder, no-ip is sloooow
#423 [10:09] <NinjaKirby> !check ninjakirby.no-ip.org:41024
#424 [10:10] <NinjaKirby> !check 2.122.117.206:41024
#425 [10:10] <NinjaKirby> I'm telling the software to update No-Ip, and it confirms it, so why -_-
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#436 [10:59] <GreyVulpine> ?? snapshot
#437 [10:59] <VoxelHead> snapshot: latest snapshot is http://assets.minecraft.net/12w16a/minecraft.jar
#438 [10:59] <GreyVulpine> ??~ snapshot|Latest snapshot is http://assets.minecraft.net/12w17a/minecraft.jar
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#440 [11:01] <Morrolan> Seems the protocol is encrypted now.
#441 [11:03] <GreyVulpine> Can blame Wug for that
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#443 [11:03] <Morrolan> GreyVulpine - Hmm?
#444 [11:04] <Morrolan> Ah, due to him pestering Mojang about the session stealer?
#445 [11:04] * GreyVulpine nods
#445 [11:05] <Morrolan> Yea, totally not looking forward to making my bot work again. ^^
#446 [11:05] * Morrolan thwamps Wug
#446 [11:05] <GreyVulpine> Think Wug also sent Mojang his implementation of it as well
#447 [11:05] <Morrolan> Oh well, I guess the advantages outweigh the disadvantages though.
#448 [11:05] <puffrfish> I'm hoping for SRV records to be supported, dinnerbone said he was looking into it
#449 [11:05] <Morrolan> For now I'll grab myself a coffee and look at what #mcdevs has to say once that one is drunk. :)
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#452 [11:09] <Calinou> "Yea, totally not looking forward to making my bot work again. ^^"
#453 [11:10] <Calinou> what bot? what does it do?
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#455 [11:13] <NinjaKirby> I had the most amazing conversation with my Phone Provider, he probably thought I was trolling, but it was actually quite legitimate.
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#457 [11:13] <NinjaKirby> Managed to get him to talk about all his offers for new mini Smart-Phone, Apple Tablets and Galaxy Note. He failed to sell me all of it.
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#460 [11:18] * Calinou is trying the new snapshot
#460 [11:18] <Calinou> 3.9MB, you're doing it well, mojang.
#461 [11:19] <Calinou> 1.0 was 2.8MB
#462 [11:19] <Calinou> in 2 years minecraft.jar will be 150MB I guess
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#465 [11:21] <NinjaKirby> lol Calinou, it already has thousands of Gameplay hours; what have they done T_T
#466 [11:21] <Calinou> ?
#467 [11:22] * Calinou likes the single player cheats/commands
#467 [11:22] <Calinou> and the new chat options are nice too.
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#469 [11:22] <NinjaKirby> The game is growing in size and content, yet it already outlasts the playability of most games.
#470 [11:22] <NinjaKirby> Is what I was getting at :3
#471 [11:25] <GreyVulpine> Pfft, can you believe that blizzard's SC1/BW/diablo2 servers are still running?
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#473 [11:29] <BrainlessDude> Good evening folks
#474 [11:29] <GreyVulpine> 'lo
#475 [11:31] <BrainlessDude> Hey. Do anyone know if its possible to check users accounts are premium or cracked?
#476 [11:31] <Morrolan> Calinou - Right now? It connects to a server and slaps people if you type "!slap" ingame.
#477 [11:31] <GreyVulpine> BrainlessDude - Yes, with:
#478 [11:31] <Morrolan> That is, it did so a few versions ago, by now quite some packets will have changed.
#479 [11:31] <GreyVulpine> http://www.minecraft.net/haspaid.jsp?user=
#480 [11:31] <BrainlessDude> Doesnt work. I paid and it says false
#481 [11:31] <Morrolan> GreyVulpine - Heh, seems they've got the money to keep them running. (Which is a good thing).
#482 [11:32] <GreyVulpine> Make sure you spelled your name correctly. It's caps-sensitive
#483 [11:32] <GreyVulpine> (I think)
#484 [11:32] <BrainlessDude> Hmm. Yes.
#485 [11:32] <Morrolan> It's not.
#486 [11:32] <BrainlessDude> But thats not the answer. This only check the Nickname
#487 [11:32] <Morrolan> (I think)
#488 [11:33] <Morrolan> BrainlessDude - What would you want to check then?
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#490 [11:33] <BrainlessDude> I want to check (maybe ingame) the account
#491 [11:33] <Morrolan> Nicknames are unique identifiers in Minecraft.
#492 [11:33] <BrainlessDude> Cracked Users can use Nickname of Premium Users
#493 [11:33] <GreyVulpine> Then use online-mode=true
#494 [11:34] <GreyVulpine> The server will check the user's login vs. Mojang's authentication server
#495 [11:34] <Morrolan> If you want to check whether they're the actual users you will have to make them enter the password and log in with the auth servers using that username and password.
#496 [11:34] <Morrolan> If you can't develop such a plugin yourself then yea, you will have to use online-mode.
#497 [11:34] <Morrolan> Also, as a user I'd be hesitant to enter my password on a random server to be honest.
#498 [11:35] <BrainlessDude> No. I run a cracked server. I
#499 [11:35] <BrainlessDude> Ahh. i cant explain it in english-.-
#500 [11:35] <GreyVulpine> Then that's your fault.
#501 [11:35] <GreyVulpine> It's the risk of running a cracked/offline server. You can't authenticate usernames.
#502 [11:36] <GreyVulpine> The functionality of running a legit server that checks the authenticity of usernames comes with online-mode=true
#503 [11:36] <BrainlessDude> But i want to. We have a plugin developer in our team and we want to find a way to see which user is premium and which isnt
#504 [11:36] <GreyVulpine> You can't have it both ways.
#505 [11:36] <BrainlessDude> Are you sure?
#506 [11:36] <GreyVulpine> A server that lets in cracked users, but also authenticates users.
#507 [11:37] <Morrolan> Unless you make the user enter his password and manually check whether it's correct, BrainlessDude.
#508 [11:37] <GreyVulpine> ^
#509 [11:37] <Morrolan> If you want to go that way, tell your plugin dev to take a look at Minecraft's authentication scheme.
#510 [11:37] <Morrolan> But, once more, as a player I would _not_ enter my password on any server.
#511 [11:38] <BrainlessDude> You mustnt use ur minecraft password
#512 [11:38] <BrainlessDude> You can have another one
#513 [11:38] <AmberK> Use the haspaid link, or just run it in online mode
#514 [11:39] <AmberK> In reference to older question (love irc lag)
#515 [11:39] <BrainlessDude> Ok. Thanks for answering. I will look into it. C ya
#516 [11:39] <Morrolan> BrainlessDude - You can't verify whether their nick is their actual account wit..
#517 [11:39] <Morrolan> Hmph.
#518 [11:39] <AmberK> true
#519 [11:39] <Morrolan> without the user's password, for completness' sake.
#520 [11:40] <Calinou> "Pfft, can you believe that blizzard's SC1/BW/diablo2 servers are still running?"
#521 [11:40] <Calinou> yes, and what's BW?
#522 [11:40] <GreyVulpine> broodwars
#523 [11:43] <nekronuke> *-s
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#535 [12:36] <PlasticDagger> I bought minecraft 2 days ago and I haven't been able to play it. I have tried to re-install minecraft, deleting .minecraft folder, tried to play on a different windows user (I was able to play it but I don't want to switch users everytime.), installed new windows xp, installed windows 7. All of this didn't work except for a different windows user. The errors I get are Black Screen and Can't connect to minecraft.net. Does any
#536 [12:37] <GreyVulpine> Most likely, your windows username has an exclaimation mark in it, yes?
#537 [12:37] <GreyVulpine> If it does, minecraft would not be able to launch normally because of it.
#538 [12:37] <PlasticDagger> Yes
#539 [12:38] <PlasticDagger> Is that the problem ?
#540 [12:38] <GreyVulpine> We have a workaround for this, if you want to use it
#541 [12:38] <GreyVulpine> ?? win/!
#542 [12:38] <VoxelHead> win/!: Having exclamation marks or other special characters in your windows username can break minecraft. A workaround is available. Download and run the following file:
#543 [12:38] <VoxelHead> win/!: Special Character Workaround: http://mcfaq.hfbgaming.com/tools/WindowsProfileFix.exe NOTE: We do not guarantee this will work and it may break other parts of Minecraft! Use at your own risk. Must be run as an Administrator.
#544 [12:39] <PlasticDagger> All I have to do is change the username to play minecraft ?
#545 [12:39] <GreyVulpine> Changing the username does not change your user profile foldername.
#546 [12:39] <GreyVulpine> Which is where the problem lies.
#547 [12:39] <PlasticDagger> ic
#548 [12:39] <PlasticDagger> what if I change the profile foldername ?
#549 [12:40] <GreyVulpine> Then sure, but it involves a complicated process, including doing some registry magic to make it work.
#550 [12:41] <PlasticDagger> Does Mojang know about this ?
#551 [12:41] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#552 [12:41] <GreyVulpine> Nothing Mojang can do about it. It's Java which can't interpret filepaths with ! marks correctly
#553 [12:41] <PlasticDagger> You have really helped me out
#554 [12:42] <PlasticDagger> k
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#558 [13:05] <Syd> Hello?
#559 [13:05] <Syd> I have a problem regarding security
#560 [13:05] <GreyVulpine> Could you elaborate?
#561 [13:05] <Syd> i have a server. Some person just logged in as me.
#562 [13:06] <GreyVulpine> Does your server have online-mode=true?
#563 [13:06] <Syd> i didn't give my password to anyone.
#564 [13:06] <Syd> it contains numbers, letters, upper case and lower case
#565 [13:06] <GreyVulpine> Are you running an offline mode server?
#566 [13:06] <Syd> No.
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#568 [13:07] <GreyVulpine> You're sure?
#569 [13:07] <Syd> Im sure.
#570 [13:07] <Syd> online-mode set to true.
#571 [13:07] <GreyVulpine> Did you join any other server besides your own recently?
#572 [13:07] <Syd> that person asked me to join his, then immediately that happened.
#573 [13:07] <GreyVulpine> Yup, that would be why
#574 [13:07] <Syd> how did he do that tho?
#575 [13:07] <Syd> how is that possible.
#576 [13:08] <GreyVulpine> You got taken advantaged of, because of a man-in-the-middle exploit.
#577 [13:08] <Syd> does he have my password now?
#578 [13:08] <GreyVulpine> No he doesn't
#579 [13:08] <Syd> how did he do that then?
#580 [13:08] <Syd> he did no harm tho.
#581 [13:08] <GreyVulpine> When you log into minecraft, Mojang generates a login token. You use that token to log into servers. The server validates your authenticity using that login token.
#582 [13:09] <Syd> then its THAT easy to hack my identity?
#583 [13:09] <GreyVulpine> A MITM attack, basically is that you join a compromised server, that server grabs your login token. A person can now log into any server using your identity
#584 [13:09] <GreyVulpine> It's that easy. Mojang knows about it.
#585 [13:09] <Syd> thats kind of ridiculous
#586 [13:09] <GreyVulpine> I got taken advantaged of, using that same exploit, a little over a year ago.
#587 [13:10] <Syd> what can i do about it now?
#588 [13:10] <GreyVulpine> Don't join any servers you don't know
#589 [13:10] <Syd> but thats like
#590 [13:10] <Syd> anyone can make a server on pmc
#591 [13:10] <GreyVulpine> Unfortunately, it's the only defense, until Mojang fixes this exploit
#592 [13:10] <Syd> and it happened a year ago
#593 [13:10] <Syd> and nobody fixed it yet?
#594 [13:10] * GreyVulpine nods
#594 [13:10] <Syd> dont you think thats a bit lame?
#595 [13:11] <GreyVulpine> It is. Mojang's been made aware of it. A fix is currently in the pipe.
#596 [13:11] <Syd> since 1 year?:D
#597 [13:11] <GreyVulpine> Recently.
#598 [13:11] <GreyVulpine> This exploit's just recently cropped up again.
#599 [13:11] <Syd> well. I dont really play on other servers .
#600 [13:12] <GreyVulpine> Good. Don't join any other servers you don't know in the meantime
#601 [13:12] <Syd> what can i do now. He can just log onto my server and mess it up.
#602 [13:12] <Syd> im the owner.
#603 [13:12] <GreyVulpine> Quit, login again. This generates a new login token, invalidating the previous one
#604 [13:12] <Syd> really?
#605 [13:12] <GreyVulpine> Yes.
#606 [13:12] <Syd> so i should just close minecraft
#607 [13:12] * GreyVulpine nods
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#608 [13:12] <the_g_man254> derp
#609 [13:12] <the_g_man254> derp derp
#610 [13:13] <Syd> so i hit logout, close minecraft
#611 [13:13] <Syd> open it up again and im safe?
#612 [13:13] <GreyVulpine> And relaunch it, and log back in
#613 [13:13] <Syd> okay phew. That got me scared.
#614 [13:13] <GreyVulpine> And don't log into any other servers you don't know.
#615 [13:14] <Syd> yea well if i knew its so ridiculously easy to hack by this
#616 [13:14] <Syd> i wouldnt.
#617 [13:15] <Syd> so he cannot come on my server as me anymore?
#618 [13:15] <GreyVulpine> As far as I know, that's correct.
#619 [13:15] <Syd> theres something i dont get
#620 [13:15] <Syd> he took my token
#621 [13:15] <Syd> or whatever that thing is.
#622 [13:15] * GreyVulpine nods
#622 [13:15] <Syd> then he logged on my server.
#623 [13:16] <Syd> a token is generated each time i log onto minecraft.net, right?
#624 [13:16] <GreyVulpine> For all intents and purposes, using your login token, the server thinks it's you.
#625 [13:16] <GreyVulpine> Right
#626 [13:16] <Syd> so each time i close minecraft.net (the minecraft client)
#627 [13:16] <Syd> ilm getting a new one
#628 [13:16] <GreyVulpine> And log back in, you're generating a new one.
#629 [13:17] <Syd> i hope thats how it is.
#630 [13:17] <GreyVulpine> It is.
#631 [13:17] <GreyVulpine> It's why you can't run two instances of the minecraft client at the same time, logging into a MP server.
#632 [13:17] <GreyVulpine> Logging in the second time, times out the first one's login token
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#634 [13:18] <GreyVulpine> The first one would get "Bad Login" when attempting to log into a server, since the 2nd client's login token is newer.
#635 [13:18] <Syd> well im glad that im aware of it right now.
#636 [13:18] <Syd> but its ridiculous that there is such a security issue
#637 [13:18] <GreyVulpine> Welcome to Minecraft... *sigh*
#638 [13:19] <Syd> Mojang should work harder.
#639 [13:19] <Syd> Its all good but now they get big money for this.
#640 [13:19] <GreyVulpine> The core bukkit team was hired to fix and expand on the Minecraft server API.
#641 [13:20] <Syd> cause mojang can't?
#642 [13:20] <GreyVulpine> (as well as the upcoming Mojang Mod API)
#643 [13:20] <Syd> i hope a fix will come anytime soon.
#644 [13:20] <GreyVulpine> They're smart, they're hiring from the community. People who are respected.
#645 [13:20] <Syd> theyre lazy.
#646 [13:20] <nekronuke> ^
#647 [13:20] <nekronuke> Shoulda hired risu
#648 [13:20] <GreyVulpine> As for this issue, last I heard, they've already got a fix in the pipeline. It just needs to go through testing and integration
#649 [13:21] <Syd> a lot of recent updates were just a ripoff of mods that someone made.
#650 [13:21] <nekronuke> ^
#651 [13:21] <GreyVulpine> We all know Mojang's penchant for lack of testing.
#652 [13:21] <Syd> they just take ideas from community
#653 [13:21] <NinjaKirby> If someone else has done the hard work free of charge and love doing it, I'd say Hire them to implement it officially.
#654 [13:21] <Syd> yeah
#655 [13:21] <Syd> they just took it.
#656 [13:21] <Syd> for example breeding
#657 [13:21] <nekronuke> After evmc announced jungles, mojamg made them
#658 [13:21] <Syd> or cats
#659 [13:21] <Syd> yeah
#660 [13:21] <NinjaKirby> For a settlement of money/pay, I don't see a problem, paid for there work.
#661 [13:22] <Morrolan> Can't hire everyone who had an idea you'd like to implement, can you.
#662 [13:22] <Syd> well. I never heard mojang paying those guys.
#663 [13:22] <nekronuke> All this aside, they should hire risugami
#664 [13:22] <GreyVulpine> I don't either. Ideas that they took, they recognized those guys and paid them
#665 [13:22] <Syd> but that is kind of a mean move.
#666 [13:22] <Syd> did they pay really?
#667 [13:23] <NinjaKirby> I was guessing, based on the conversation >_>
#668 [13:23] <Morrolan> I wouldn't see what the issue with taking someone's idea is, as long as you code it yourself. That's just how it works. ;)
#669 [13:23] <nekronuke> Ill go ask miclee if he got paid. Oh wait, he didnt
#670 [13:23] <Morrolan> It might not be the most ethical thing to do, but it keeps the whole system running.
#671 [13:23] <nekronuke> He's my boss, so i'd know :p
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#673 [13:25] <Syd> well guys that make mods cant copyright them
#674 [13:25] <Syd> so mojang can take what he wants.
#675 [13:25] <Morrolan> Yea, Minecraft's TOS is kinda interesting in that regard.
#676 [13:26] <Morrolan> But I'd say that copy-pasting someone's code, even if the TOS state that they may do so, isn't something their lawyers would advise them to do.
#677 [13:26] <Syd> thats exactly why they allow people to make modifications
#678 [13:26] <Morrolan> So I _heavily_ doubt they steal code.
#679 [13:26] <Syd> they propably dont.
#680 [13:26] <Syd> they just implement the idea.
#681 [13:26] <Syd> thats what keeps minecraft alive.
#682 [13:27] <Morrolan> Yea.
#683 [13:27] <Morrolan> The difference between you and me is that you think stealing ideas is bad, whereas I don't I guess.
#684 [13:27] <GreyVulpine> Mindset of a programmer I suppose. Why reinvent the wheel?
#685 [13:28] <Syd> they can. But i dont think its ethical
#686 [13:28] <Morrolan> If none would steal ideas, we'd live in a different world.
#687 [13:28] <Syd> stealing is not nice.
#688 [13:28] <Morrolan> Might be ethical, might be not ethical, fact is it has proven to work.
#689 [13:28] <Syd> and i doubt we'd live in caves if nobody did.
#690 [13:29] <Morrolan> And, another mindset of a programmer, "Never change a running system" ;)
#691 [13:29] <Syd> well im off.
#692 [13:29] <Syd> thanks for help
#693 [13:29] * GreyVulpine waves
#693 [13:29] <Morrolan> Cya. .)
#694 [13:29] <Morrolan> :) *
#695 [13:29] <Syd> i learned a lesson.
#696 [13:29] <Syd> good thing is he didnt do anything bad
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#698 [13:30] <Morrolan> I feel mean now. That guy seemed sad when he left.
#699 [13:31] <Morrolan> Meh, back to work.
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#703 [13:59] <Syd> Hello. GreyVulpine
#704 [13:59] <Syd> may i ask you a favor?
#705 [13:59] <GreyVulpine> 'lo
#706 [14:00] <GreyVulpine> Ask away
#707 [14:00] <Syd> you explained me the token steal hack
#708 [14:00] * GreyVulpine nods.
#708 [14:00] <Syd> could you explain it again? I got someone from pmc here.
#709 [14:00] <Ali> =P
#710 [14:00] <NinjaKirby> :3
#711 [14:01] <GreyVulpine> When you log into minecraft.net via your client, a login token is generated. This token is what is used to authenticate users connecting to Minecraft Servers (that are running in online-mode)
#712 [14:02] <GreyVulpine> This is also the same mechanism which is used to prevent multiple logins of the same account from connecting to a server.
#713 [14:02] <GreyVulpine> A person that sets up a compromised server, or known more simply as a Man-in-the-middle attack, can attempt to steal this login token by luring a person to connect to their server
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#715 [14:03] <GreyVulpine> With that Login token, that person can now log into any server, impersonating the compromised user's username and identity
#716 [14:03] <Syd> Until that person relogs to minecraft.net
#717 [14:03] <GreyVulpine> Note that no password was exchanged during any of this, other than the intiaul login
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#719 [14:03] <GreyVulpine> intial*
#720 [14:03] <GreyVulpine> Right.
#721 [14:04] <Ali> ok
#722 [14:04] <Syd> I just thought it would be good if other people knew.
#723 [14:04] <GreyVulpine> This MITM attack has unfortunately been floating around for a little more than a year now.
#724 [14:04] <Ali> ouch
#725 [14:05] <GreyVulpine> Only recently resurfaced, thanks to a reddit post a couple weeks ago
#726 [14:05] <Ali> do you know if mojang are doing anything about this?
#727 [14:05] <GreyVulpine> Mojang knows about it, has been informed about it. A fix has already been suggested to them
#728 [14:05] <GreyVulpine> The recently hired bukkit core team has been made aware of it as well. That fix is in the pipeline as we speak, undergoing testing and implementation
#729 [14:06] <Ali> ok, thanks for this
#730 [14:06] * GreyVulpine nods.
#730 [14:06] <Syd> thanks Vulpine
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#742 [14:45] <MinecraftBR> im having a bug with ocelots and wolves
#743 [14:45] <MinecraftBR> they spawn and start following me
#744 [14:45] <MinecraftBR> 5 minutes after the entire chunk is full of them
#745 [14:45] <MinecraftBR> and makes my game crash
#746 [14:45] <MinecraftBR> the multiplicate
#747 [14:45] <MinecraftBR> *they
#748 [14:45] <Calinou> MinecraftBR, known issue called "bad chunk"
#749 [14:46] <Calinou> see http://mcsaver.net
#750 [14:46] <MinecraftBR> what do i do to solve?
#751 [14:46] <MinecraftBR> ok i'll look
#752 [14:46] <Calinou> some dude helping to fix maps :P
#753 [14:46] <Calinou> "Massive (hundreds) of mob or animal spawns" < probably this
#754 [14:46] <MinecraftBR> but it's on ssp
#755 [14:46] <MinecraftBR> not on a server
#756 [14:47] <Calinou> I know
#757 [14:47] <Calinou> this issue only happens on singleplayer
#758 [14:48] <MinecraftBR> but he said i
#759 [14:48] <MinecraftBR> need 2-3 days
#760 [14:48] <MinecraftBR> that's too much
#761 [14:48] <MinecraftBR> don't you know anything instant?
#762 [14:48] <MinecraftBR> like a fix patch
#763 [14:48] <MinecraftBR> or instructions on what doing?
#764 [14:49] <Morrolan> You could try to open it in MCEdit, remove entities and use its "fix chunks nao" functionality.
#765 [14:49] <Morrolan> Would ofcourse require you to spend some time with MCEdit.
#766 [14:49] <Morrolan> Lastly you could search for a fairy and hope she'll grant you a wish I suppose.
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#769 [15:02] <sugoi> Morrolan: :)
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#771 [15:03] <sugoi> just make sure you bring a net and a bottle to catch and store her
#772 [15:03] <Morrolan> Hehe.
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#774 [15:12] <ebo2012> My minecraft has crash, how i fix
#775 [15:13] <NinjaKirby> If you could see my face right now.
#776 [15:14] <NinjaKirby> "How is babby born"
#777 [15:14] <ebo2012> no, i cant see your face
#778 [15:14] <Calinou> "<Morrolan> Lastly you could search for a fairy and hope she'll grant you a wish I suppose."
#779 [15:14] <Calinou> probably the best thing to do, in his opinion
#780 [15:14] <Calinou> NinjaKirby, lol.
#781 [15:14] <Calinou> ebo2012, did it work before?
#782 [15:14] <Calinou> did you recently update java?
#783 [15:18] <Boreeas> ಠ_ಠ
#784 [15:22] <sugoi> NinjaKirby: :)
#785 [15:26] * sugoi checked if eb02012 was wug
#785 [15:26] <sugoi> :)
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#790 [15:50] <DopeGhoti> For results that can be the finest, please! The handle, four times. Clockwise move, in respectful manner.
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#794 [15:55] <sugoi> DopeGhoti: if speak we english in, translate use google! :)
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#796 [15:56] <cheesestick> I have been trying to update my minecraft to 1.2.5 and it will just freeze at a random point. I have deleted minecraft and reinstalled. What now?
#797 [15:56] <AmberK> Define "deleted"
#798 [15:56] <AmberK> and if you've reinstalled, then it should be 1.2.5
#799 [15:57] <cheesestick> no it is not
#800 [15:57] <cheesestick> i keep getting it off the website and it is not working.
#801 [15:57] <cheesestick> it keeps trying to update it
#802 [15:58] <sugoi> AmberK: we can guess now what "deleted" means
#803 [15:59] <Dan> cheesestick, that is not deleting it
#804 [15:59] <cheesestick> I deleted the whole .minecraft file
#805 [16:00] <cheesestick> except for my saves and my texture pack which are waiting on my desktop
#806 [16:00] <sugoi> cheesestick: has it worked before?
#807 [16:00] <cheesestick> Has my minecraft workded before?
#808 [16:00] <sugoi> yse
#809 [16:00] <cheesestick> I have had since 1.2 and it worked fine
#810 [16:01] <sugoi> new antivirus? new java?
#811 [16:01] <cheesestick> no
#812 [16:01] <Dan> what os?
#813 [16:01] <AmberK> sugoi some people delete the minecraft.exe and consider that deleting minecraft
#814 [16:01] <cheesestick> win 64
#815 [16:01] <AmberK> trust me, I've been there...
#816 [16:02] <cheesestick> I deleted the .minecraft folder if you had been reading the whole chat
#817 [16:02] <sugoi> AmberK: um...you completely misread my comment
#818 [16:02] <AmberK> howso? >.>
#819 [16:02] <sugoi> it was sarcastic
#820 [16:02] <AmberK> oh wow xD
#821 [16:03] <AmberK> Internet sarcasm has been failing me lately
#822 [16:03] <sugoi> cheesestick: which java? (and win 64 is only part of the answer, xp/vista/7 ?)
#823 [16:03] <cheesestick> 7
#824 [16:03] <cheesestick> sorry
#825 [16:04] <sugoi> cheesestick: so java 7 too?
#826 [16:04] <cheesestick> I actually don't know what java I have
#827 [16:04] <cheesestick> but I think it is 7
#828 [16:04] <sugoi> cheesestick: go to control panel, open the "java" tool there
#829 [16:04] <GreyVulpine> cheesestick - Does it freeze on a specific file?
#830 [16:04] <sugoi> it'll show the java versions you have installed
#831 [16:04] <cheesestick> no just a random percent every time
#832 [16:04] <GreyVulpine> What AV do you use?
#833 [16:04] <GreyVulpine> (bets avg)
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#835 [16:05] <sugoi> perhaps i should not have said "new antivirus" and rather "any"
#836 [16:05] <cheesestick> it is 7
#837 [16:05] <cheesestick> and I use AVG 2012
#838 [16:05] <Dan> cheesestick, use 6 as 7 isnt out for end-users yet
#839 [16:05] <Calinou> don't use java 7 with minecraft. java 7 is still experimental
#840 [16:05] <Calinou> *cough avg cough*
#841 [16:05] * sugoi awards 1 point to GreyVulpine for avg
#841 [16:05] <GreyVulpine> And that would be the reason why it's stopping like that
#842 [16:05] <Calinou> AVG, annoying players since 2003.
#843 [16:06] <GreyVulpine> Go into AVG's options, turn off the linkscanner module. Then run minecraft
#844 [16:06] <cheesestick> haha ok
#845 [16:06] <cheesestick> thanks guys
#846 [16:07] <Dan> i like my Sun Java 5, 6 and my OpenJDK 7
#847 [16:07] <Calinou> lol
#848 [16:19] <DopeGhoti> I like my coffee black, just like my metal.
#849 [16:19] * GreyVulpine prods DopeGhoti, wondering if he turned on his bmotion AI and forgot.
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#850 [16:21] * DopeGhoti prods GreyVulpine back with a Millennium Falcon.
#850 [16:21] <NinjaKirby> Really, Dope, Black Metal? I'm a little surprised, hehe
#851 [16:23] <DopeGhoti> It's actually a line from an MSI song (:
#852 [16:23] <DopeGhoti> I don't even like coffee; I prefer yea.
#853 [16:23] <DopeGhoti> er, tea.
#854 [16:23] <NinjaKirby> Heh, Ahhhh :P Also, the Mobo manufacturer has it's own Band, as that's the only way I know that acronym.
#855 [16:24] <DopeGhoti> Not MSI the hardware OEM. Mindless Self-Indulgence; the band. Work with me, here.
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#857 [16:24] <GreyVulpine> Heh
#858 [16:24] <NinjaKirby> Trying man XD
#859 [16:25] <NinjaKirby> "Eletrolytic Caps, Axial Diodes, that's the beast of the machine" *Lead Guitar soloist takes off*
#860 [16:25] <NinjaKirby> I'm sure someone has done such a ridiculous song already.
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#862 [16:27] <DopeGhoti> A lot of MSI's songs are quite riduculous.
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#865 [16:28] <NinjaKirby> Presumably in a "good way", if you are listening to them :3
#866 [16:28] <DopeGhoti> Let's just say they're generally not all that radio-friendly.
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#869 [16:30] <DopeGhoti> NinjaKirby: relevant: www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtgA-FWu_10 (NSFW language)
#870 [16:31] <DopeGhoti> (it's a fan-made video that's actually rather well-put-together)
#871 [16:31] <NinjaKirby> The regular Radio and Music Channels don't air a lot of good stuff regardless of Adult content -_-
#872 [16:31] <NinjaKirby> I'll check it out...
#873 [16:31] <DopeGhoti> I haven't listened to the radio for music in.. probably a decade.
#874 [16:32] <NinjaKirby> Uh, lol, I can't view that video, it#s blocked by WMG?
#875 [16:32] <DopeGhoti> a moment.
#876 [16:33] <Boreeas> !This video contains content from WMG and Shopro, one or more of whom have blocked it on copyright grounds."
#877 [16:33] <DopeGhoti> NinjaKirby: vimeo.com/27416510
#878 [16:34] <NinjaKirby> What the hell, my bandwidth has completely dissipated
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#880 [16:37] <NinjaKirby> Hmmm, nice piece
#881 [16:37] <DopeGhoti> It's probably one of the better AMV's I've seen, this side of Evangeloin|Rammstein- Engel
#882 [16:37] <DopeGhoti> s/loin/lion/
#883 [16:38] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, built in demo for minecraft: "This demo will last 5 ingame days (about 1 hour and 40 minutes of real time)."
#884 [16:39] <DopeGhoti> that's.. pretty reasonable.
#885 [16:39] <DopeGhoti> folks will figure out how to break that time limit in about three days ago, I expect.
#886 [16:40] * GreyVulpine shrugs
#886 [16:40] <GreyVulpine> http://b.wiki.vg/12w17a...12w08a
#887 [16:40] <zkxs> Better than them resorting to minecraftforfree.com
#888 [16:40] * VoxelHead kicked zkxs from #minecrafthelp (Reason: kxs :Banned: Trying to steal)
#889 [16:40] <NinjaKirby> Erm, wat
#890 [16:40] * GreyVulpine facepalms
#890 [16:40] <Grim_Reaper> gg
#891 [16:40] <Grim_Reaper> lol
#892 [16:40] <Boreeas> Hahaha
#893 [16:40] <sugoi> :)
#894 [16:40] <clarjon1> lol
#895 [16:41] <GreyVulpine> Going to need to go into Vox to remove that..
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#897 [16:41] * VoxelHead kicked zkxs from #minecrafthelp (Reason: kxs :Banned: Trying to steal)
#898 [16:41] <GreyVulpine> Yup..
#899 [16:41] <Boreeas> k
#900 [16:41] <Grim_Reaper> hah
#901 [16:41] <clarjon1> haha
#902 [16:41] <clarjon1> eggdrop
#903 [16:41] <NinjaKirby> XD
#904 [16:41] <sugoi> HAHA
#905 [16:41] <Grim_Reaper> akick ouchy
#906 [16:41] <clarjon1> someone with access to voxel needs to remove the ban.
#907 [16:41] <DopeGhoti> I'm on it
#908 [16:41] * Grim_Reaper is tempted to say the dreaded link
#908 [16:42] <Boreeas> Wasn't that that guy who took notch on in a Quake match?
#909 [16:42] <GreyVulpine> And lost
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#912 [16:42] <zkxs> that was fun
#913 [16:42] <sugoi> zkxs: heh :)
#914 [16:43] <DopeGhoti> Does that site in fact no longer do what its domain name claoms to do?
#915 [16:43] <DopeGhoti> If so, I'll remove that domain from the instaban list.
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#917 [16:43] <GreyVulpine> no idea
#918 [16:44] <zkxs> yes, they got taken down
#919 [16:44] <DopeGhoti> zkxs: thank you for the info.
#920 [16:44] <zkxs> [linkiwontsay]/play.php
#921 [16:44] * DopeGhoti goes sourcediving
#921 [16:49] <DopeGhoti> Done.
#922 [16:49] <DopeGhoti> thanks, er, for bringing that to our attention, zkxs
#923 [16:49] <GreyVulpine> minecraftforfree.com
#924 [16:49] <zkxs> :P
#925 [16:49] <clarjon1> not quite
#926 [16:50] * GreyVulpine shakes fist at DopeGhoti
#926 [16:50] <VoxelHead> REstarting because rehashing wasn't enough. brb.
#927 [16:50] <VoxelHead> REstarting because rehashing wasn't enough. brb.
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#936 [16:51] <DopeGhoti> let's see whether I can talk about minecraftforfree going down.
#937 [16:51] <GreyVulpine> minecraftforfree.com
#938 [16:52] <GreyVulpine> Yay
#939 [16:52] <sugoi> GreyVulpine: are you saying i can get mc for free now?
#940 [16:52] * GreyVulpine baps sugoi over the head
#940 [16:52] <Grim_Reaper> minecraftforfree.com
#941 [16:52] <sugoi> woot!
#942 [16:52] <AmberK> moc.eerfroftfarcenim
#943 [16:53] <Grim_Reaper> oh gosh
#944 [16:53] <Grim_Reaper> no
#945 [16:53] <Grim_Reaper> no ;-;
#946 [16:54] <GreyVulpine> Bad Grim, stop breaking Vox
#947 [16:54] <Grim_Reaper> ;-; I wasn't trying to break vox
#948 [16:55] <Grim_Reaper> I wuv VoxelHead
#949 [16:55] * Grim_Reaper hugs the good bot
#949 [16:55] <DopeGhoti> I wonder whether that other instaban-worthy site is still such.
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#951 [16:55] <Grim_Reaper> Do test..
#952 [16:56] <zkxs> *!zkxs@ip98-184-129-94.tu.ok.cox.net... couldn't I have just changed my ident?
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#954 [16:56] <Adrenaline2k> Umm hey
#955 [16:56] <Adrenaline2k> I need help.
#956 [16:56] <AmberK> with...?
#957 [16:56] <sugoi> Adrenaline2k: we are better at helping with questions
#958 [16:56] <sugoi> i.e. details, info
#959 [16:56] <Adrenaline2k> oh
#960 [16:56] <AmberK> xD
#961 [16:57] <AmberK> So obv you're problem is the server.properties file
#962 [16:57] <sugoi> except for grey, he can read minds
#963 [16:57] <AmberK> (because i understand the situation thus far)
#964 [16:57] <GreyVulpine> Pfft
#965 [16:57] <Adrenaline2k> Well, I purchased Minecraft, and I played on it yesterday, but today it said I'm not premium..
#966 [16:57] <sugoi> wuh oh
#967 [16:57] * AmberK gets the haspaid link
#967 [16:57] <sugoi> Adrenaline2k: where did you buy it from?
#968 [16:57] <Adrenaline2k> The website....
#969 [16:58] <sugoi> Adrenaline2k: which?
#970 [16:58] <Adrenaline2k> Minecraft.net
#971 [16:58] <sugoi> orly
#972 [16:58] <zkxs> !paid AmberK
#973 [16:58] <Adrenaline2k> yarly
#974 [16:58] <sugoi> Adrenaline2k: :) what's your username
#975 [16:58] <Adrenaline2k> Adrenaline2k
#976 [16:58] <AmberK> Lol
#977 [16:58] <sugoi> !paid Adrenaline2k
#978 [16:58] <AmberK> AmberK isn't my ign
#979 [16:58] <AmberK> so glhf
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#981 [16:58] <Adrenaline2k> lol?
#982 [16:58] <zkxs> AmberK: I was just showing you an alternative to hunting down the link
#983 [16:59] <Adrenaline2k> I can send you the email if you'd like.
#984 [16:59] <sugoi> Adrenaline2k: this is a common problem for ppl that buy mc from a scam, and not from minecraft.net
#985 [16:59] <AmberK> I didn't know it was available to everyone
#986 [16:59] <sugoi> Adrenaline2k: no need, we're not mojang
#987 [16:59] <Adrenaline2k> I bought from Minecraft.net...
#988 [16:59] <sugoi> just public servants
#989 [16:59] <Adrenaline2k> I logged into it yesterday. >.<
#990 [16:59] <AmberK> Perhaps they're having issues themselves with their db? They had issues with login times recently
#991 [16:59] <AmberK> perhaps that's linked with new accounts
#992 [17:00] <sugoi> !paid payonel
#993 [17:00] <AmberK> hm
#994 [17:00] <Adrenaline2k> Okay, will it be fixed...?
#995 [17:00] <AmberK> I'm just making an educated guess at something
#996 [17:00] <zkxs> Mojang will remove premium status if the transaction gets canceled
#997 [17:00] <GreyVulpine> Two things. Make sure that payment has been made via your financial institution.
#998 [17:00] <Adrenaline2k> It didn't get cancelled though.
#999 [17:00] <GreyVulpine> Many times, the bank reverses/does a chargeback
#1000 [17:01] <GreyVulpine> 2nd, make sure you're using the right username. Do a http://www.minecraft.net/retrievename on all emails you normally use
#1001 [17:01] <GreyVulpine> It'll send back an email with the MC usernames attached to the email, including marking which one(s) are premium
#1002 [17:01] <Adrenaline2k> I'm using right name. :P
#1003 [17:01] <GreyVulpine> Are you sure?
#1004 [17:01] <Adrenaline2k> Yessir.
#1005 [17:02] <Adrenaline2k> Adrenaline2k
#1006 [17:02] <Adrenaline2k> Can't get it wrong.
#1007 [17:02] <sugoi> Adrenaline2k: then it behooves you to call your financial institution and confirm they didn't charge back the purchase
#1008 [17:02] <Adrenaline2k> Okay, will do.
#1009 [17:02] <Adrenaline2k> I can also check the bank statement too?
#1010 [17:02] <Adrenaline2k> Right?
#1011 [17:02] <sugoi> Adrenaline2k: not necessarily
#1012 [17:02] <sugoi> unless it is a printed statement the bank mailed you at the end of the month
#1013 [17:02] <Adrenaline2k> ... >.<
#1014 [17:03] <Adrenaline2k> FML.
#1015 [17:03] <sugoi> otherwise, it likely doesn't have all the latest updates
#1016 [17:03] <Adrenaline2k> They need to get their sh*t together.
#1017 [17:03] <Adrenaline2k> I'm not about to waste $27...
#1018 [17:03] <sugoi> waste?
#1019 [17:03] <GreyVulpine> Mojang does nothing but mark accounts as premium when their bank receives confirmation of payment. It's an automatic process
#1020 [17:04] <Adrenaline2k> Waste, as in I spend 27 dollars and not be able to play at all.
#1021 [17:04] <GreyVulpine> The fault usually lies in the buyer's financial institution
#1022 [17:04] <sugoi> Adrenaline2k: if you do not have the money, mojang does, if they don't, you'll get it back
#1023 [17:04] <Adrenaline2k> Well I played yesterday, but whatever.
#1024 [17:04] <sugoi> it's pretty simple
#1025 [17:06] <GreyVulpine> Otherwise, you can try braving the support email at http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/emails/new
#1026 [17:06] <GreyVulpine> Last I heard, they're still working on backlog from the beginning of this year.
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#1028 [17:14] <NinjaKirby> Wow, one of my map challenges isn't working quite the same anymore. Do mobs upon spawn; freely walk around regardless of "falling off" a ledge? O_o
#1029 [17:15] <NinjaKirby> They used to stay up there most the time, now it's almost 100% falling down
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#1032 [17:16] <NinjaKirby> Oh my god, unless they are smart enough to realise they won't be injured from the fall. That's nice AI if so.
#1033 [17:16] <|Kiichan|> NinjaKirby: they fal off 2-meter ledges with no prob. 3 seems to usuually keep them up there
#1034 [17:16] <|Kiichan|> more ifyou wanna make sure
#1035 [17:16] <|Kiichan|> or void below if you want to be Sethbling :D
#1036 [17:17] <NinjaKirby> This is about 10 Blocks, everytime the Skelly's are falling off. The Zombie version seemed to be toughly the same though.
#1037 [17:17] <NinjaKirby> It's a checkerboard pattern of holes, but as I say, when they spawn they immediately fall down through one.
#1038 [17:17] <|Kiichan|> are they walkign off or getting pushed off by other mobs?
#1039 [17:17] <NinjaKirby> Hmm, let me watch for a moment
#1040 [17:18] <|Kiichan|> unless the ai changed.. or was borked... this a weekly or 1.2.5?
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#1042 [17:20] <NinjaKirby> Oh wow, they are spawning in mid-air!? I've realised why they are suddenly spawning wrong though, I left a Torch on the small checkerboard area, and somehow the spawner is deciding to spawm them in the air? Or perhaps right on the edge of a block, and they can't cling on properly.
#1043 [17:21] <NinjaKirby> v1.2.5 btw
#1044 [17:21] <|Kiichan|> spawner blocks ALWAYS spawn the min air (specificly. their feet are 1 above, level with, or 1 below the spawner)
#1045 [17:21] <GreyVulpine> Really liking the spawn eggs. Stack of 64 creepers makes for an effective deterrent
#1046 [17:21] <NinjaKirby> But I thought if there wasn't a block to uphold them on 1 of the 3 levels, they wouldn't spawn at all?
#1047 [17:22] <|Kiichan|> block in the way of them spawning will prevent the spawn, but theres no check for a block for them to stand on
#1048 [17:22] <NinjaKirby> Oh wow, I see, that would explain how some of them have already fallen
#1049 [17:22] <|Kiichan|> never has been a check for that kirby :P
#1050 [17:22] <NinjaKirby> Sorry, I thought there was, my bad XD Amazing, learned something new, thanks
#1051 [17:23] <|Kiichan|> standard dungeon farm that i use is a floor of flowing water to a collection point :P
#1052 [17:23] <NinjaKirby> Fascinating though, the Torch forced the spawner to put them in mid-air to fall to their death.
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#1054 [17:23] <NinjaKirby> Or in this case, into the pool of water.
#1055 [17:24] <NinjaKirby> There's a Torch left there, christ, everytime I play through the map there's 20 things gone wrong, or to improve.
#1056 [17:25] <|Kiichan|> :P
#1057 [17:25] <Jatax> Hi ! I have some issues with my new minecraft server, i have a new dedicated server (Debian 6 x64), the server seems running but i can't connect (Can't reach server) some suggestions please ?
#1058 [17:25] <GreyVulpine> What are you connecting with?
#1059 [17:25] <GreyVulpine> What IP?
#1060 [17:26] <Jatax> 93.93.189.109
#1061 [17:26] <GreyVulpine> ;check 93.93.189.109
#1062 [17:26] <WugBot> Unable to connect to address: 93.93.189.109:25565 (Timed out)
#1063 [17:26] <GreyVulpine> Home connection?
#1064 [17:26] <Jatax> Nop dedicated server
#1065 [17:26] <GreyVulpine> Hosted where?
#1066 [17:27] <Jatax> Aspserveur.com
#1067 [17:27] <|Kiichan|> lol
#1068 [17:27] <GreyVulpine> This is probably something you'll need to file a support ticket through them for.
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#1070 [17:28] <Jatax> I tried to remove OpenJDK and test with Sun Java version, but no result
#1071 [17:28] <GreyVulpine> It's not that, something's not letting in the connection to your server.
#1072 [17:29] <Jatax> Ok, i will check with support
#1073 [17:29] <Jatax> Thx/
#1074 [17:31] <langkid> Hi
#1075 [17:31] <langkid> :) it's my birthday :D
#1076 [17:31] <langkid> I feel like I should buy myself some Steam games
#1077 [17:32] <|Kiichan|> langkid: buy the humble bundle for more than a penny :P
#1078 [17:33] <langkid> I almost forgot about that :O
#1079 [17:33] <langkid> |Kiichan|, I always have to, I want my Steam versions
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#1082 [17:39] <zkxs> :D http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=valve_linux_dampfnudeln&num=1
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#1084 [17:39] <langkid> |Kiichan|, I gotta wait until I deposit more money
#1085 [17:40] <langkid> I want to pay more than the average, I want that movie
#1086 [17:40] <langkid> I NEEDZ IT
#1087 [17:40] <Morrolan> Talking 'bout the Humble Bundle? :)
#1088 [17:40] <|Kiichan|> yes :P
#1089 [17:41] <Morrolan> Heh, that movie is fairly cute indeed.
#1090 [17:41] <Morrolan> Was the only reason I bought this one, seeing as I already owned all the games.
#1091 [17:42] <langkid> What's this charity, "world land trust"?
#1092 [17:42] <langkid> Pfft, lame
#1093 [17:42] <Morrolan> Just give more money to the devs then. ;)
#1094 [17:42] <langkid> As if $160 will "automagically" make an acre be protected from stuff
#1095 [17:43] <Morrolan> 'course it won't, but neither will it automagically transform into toys for sick children or help someone who got fucked by local law.
#1096 [17:43] <|Kiichan|> no, it pays people to keep other people off the land :P
#1097 [17:43] <|Kiichan|> and there he goes.. playign HL
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#1100 [17:46] <hjelme83> Hi. Im trying to use a mod that tells me to open the minecraft.jar, but this dont appear to exist on my pc. How do i find it?=
#1101 [17:46] <|Kiichan|> hjelme83: What operating system do you use? Windows (XP, Vista, 7), Mac OS X, Linux, Copland OS Enterprise, or FreeDOS?
#1102 [17:46] <hjelme83> Windows Vista
#1103 [17:46] <hjelme83> Windows 7
#1104 [17:46] <hjelme83> my bad
#1105 [17:46] <|Kiichan|> ??> hjelme83 win/.minecraft
#1106 [17:46] <VoxelHead> hjelme83: (win/.minecraft) To get at Minecraft's locally stored files on Windows, press Win+R, and in the window that appears, type "%AppData%", and click OK. The folder you want is ".minecraft".
#1107 [17:47] <|Kiichan|> in that folder is /bin. in bin is minecraft.jar
#1108 [17:47] <hjelme83> Allright
#1109 [17:47] <|Kiichan|> you have to open it like a zip file
#1110 [17:53] <hjelme83> i use winrar, does it save if i just click the X in winrar?
#1111 [17:53] <|Kiichan|> i think so. not sure. havent used winrar in years
#1112 [17:53] <GreyVulpine> Right click on Minecraft.jar -> Open with -> Winrar
#1113 [17:53] <GreyVulpine> Click and drag mod files in, remember to delete minecraft.jar's meta-inf folder.
#1114 [17:53] <GreyVulpine> close window. Profit.
#1115 [17:54] <hjelme83> Will try, first attempt failed, but i think i have to pull all files out of folders first
#1116 [17:54] <GreyVulpine> Huh?
#1117 [17:55] <|Kiichan|> .class files and images go into the jar. other jars go in bin folder
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#1120 [17:59] <NinjaKirby> The Tick measurement system in Minecraft, was that defined by the developers? Or is there some relation to something fundamental in Java? (Sorry, probably silly question)
#1121 [17:59] <hjelme83> do i keep the classfiles in folder ?
#1122 [17:59] <GreyVulpine> hjelme83 - It depends on the mod
#1123 [17:59] <GreyVulpine> Many mods have different installation procedures, dependancies
#1124 [17:59] <GreyVulpine> Also, versions
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#1126 [18:01] <hjelme83> im trying the hack/mine
#1127 [18:02] <hjelme83> or slash if you like
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#1133 [18:12] <hjelme83> it wont work tho
#1134 [18:13] <hjelme83> it freezes on like 3% on update bar
#1135 [18:14] <hjelme83> on the other hand, i forgot to delete meta inf, but when i did, the screen just go black... -.-
#1136 [18:15] <[L]> Hm?
#1137 [18:15] <[L]> Whats this about update freezing?
#1138 [18:15] <[L]> It sounds like you didn't delete everything in your bin folder
#1139 [18:16] <hjelme83> should i delete everything in the binfolder and just leave the repacked jar file there?
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#1142 [18:17] <hjelme83> Now something is happening
#1143 [18:17] <hjelme83> atleast noe it updates
#1144 [18:18] <hjelme83> Na ,it just went back to the old"new" version
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#1146 [18:19] <hjelme83> im getting kinda frustrated
#1147 [18:23] <hjelme83> Na, im giving up. Shouldnt be this hard to patch a mod to minecraft.....
#1148 [18:25] <hjelme83> [L] If i delete everything in bin folder it just patch back up with a fresh install...
#1149 [18:25] <[L]> Beep.
#1150 [18:25] <[L]> I'm sorry, I don't know your previois issue.
#1151 [18:25] <[L]> State your issue?
#1152 [18:25] <hjelme83> Im trying to ass HackSlashMine mod
#1153 [18:25] <AmberK|Clearning> "previois"
#1154 [18:25] <hjelme83> Add
#1155 [18:26] <hjelme83> But the instructions aint written for someone 28 years old.
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#1157 [18:26] <hjelme83> They are like "if you knwo everything there is to know about modding minecraft, do this" written
#1158 [18:26] <[L]> You're trying to ass? Oh no.
#1159 [18:26] <[L]> Basically.
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#1161 [18:26] <[L]> Most mods need two things.
#1162 [18:27] <[L]> Meta Inf deleted, and ModLoader. (Not always required.)
#1163 [18:27] <[L]> Or some extra mod.
#1164 [18:27] <hjelme83> The instructions dont say anything about modloader tho
#1165 [18:27] <[L]> Usually you stuff the contents into the Minecraft.jar, but the instructions may vary.
#1166 [18:27] <[L]> Of course they don't, may I get the link?
#1167 [18:28] <hjelme83> yes you may
#1168 [18:28] <hjelme83> https://yogscast.com/showthread.php?46534-MOD-Hack-Slash-Mine!-(Magical-Loot-System-Randomized-Dungeons-and-More!!!
#1169 [18:28] <[L]> Wonderful. :l
#1170 [18:28] <[L]> Oh huh..
#1171 [18:28] <[L]> A friend showed me this
#1172 [18:29] <[L]> Let's see
#1173 [18:29] <[L]> Instructions
#1174 [18:29] <[L]> You need 1.2.3 first.
#1175 [18:29] <[L]> That may be the issue.
#1176 [18:29] <hjelme83> yep, i repatched it back to 1.2.3 with the software provided in that link
#1177 [18:30] <[L]> It states putting "Client and textures" into the jar.
#1178 [18:30] <[L]> Deleting Meta-Inf.
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#1180 [18:30] <[L]> Optifine is optional.
#1181 [18:30] <[L]> And that should be it.
#1182 [18:31] <hjelme83> yeah, So i assume i grab the files inside the Client and textures folders and putting them into the Jar, or do i just drag the Client and Texture folder in it self into the jar?
#1183 [18:31] <[L]> It states contents inside of the folders.
#1184 [18:31] <hjelme83> yeah, so i have done now for the last 10 attempts
#1185 [18:32] <[L]> Did you install any OTHER mods?
#1186 [18:32] <hjelme83> No, i just downloaded it for this mod
#1187 [18:32] <[L]> Did you try to update?
#1188 [18:32] <hjelme83> i normally dont like minecraft that much
#1189 [18:32] <hjelme83> Well i cant uppdate if i need it to be 1.2.3 now can i?
#1190 [18:32] <[L]> Earlier you stated it 'updates'
#1191 [18:32] <[L]> So I figured.
#1192 [18:33] <hjelme83> yeah, if i delete the foles in bin folder
#1193 [18:33] <hjelme83> files
#1194 [18:33] <[L]> Okay. Two of the following could be the issues.
#1195 [18:33] <[L]> 1. The mod itself may be fucked.
#1196 [18:33] * AuBot kicked [L] from #minecrafthelp (Reason: L] :Please keep it civil.)
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#1198 [18:33] <[L]> Two.
#1199 [18:33] <[L]> I need to ban AuBot
#1200 [18:33] <[L]> Three
#1201 [18:34] <[L]> We may of done something wrong on your end, but doubtful.
#1202 [18:34] <hjelme83> hmm, ill try an earlier version of the mod
#1203 [18:34] <[L]> I don't understand.
#1204 [18:34] <[L]> The latest should be fine.. Hm.
#1205 [18:34] <Eddie> Ban AuBot \o/
#1206 [18:35] <hjelme83> Any chance you tried it?
#1207 [18:36] <[L]> Nay
#1208 [18:36] <[L]> Eddie: Who the hell owns AuBot
#1209 [18:37] <DopeGhoti> it's Kealper's.
#1210 [18:37] <[L]> Oh :l
#1211 [18:37] <DopeGhoti> he of the AutoIt Evangelism
#1212 [18:38] * DopeGhoti looks up
#1212 [18:38] <DopeGhoti> well, the problem is that you're running mods. :p
#1213 [18:39] <hjelme83> Well, the 0.4 mod worked.. Exept i cant move, attack or press any keys :s
#1214 [18:40] <hjelme83> na im giving that mod up
#1215 [18:40] <hjelme83> night
#1216 [18:40] <hjelme83> night
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#1223 [19:49] <NinjaKirby> Can one freely re-arrange the server.properties without side-effects? Obvoiusly adhering to hash as comments, one item per line.
#1224 [19:49] <Dylan> I guess
#1225 [19:49] <GreyVulpine> Sure
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#1227 [19:50] <NinjaKirby> Thanks, sorry, I could just try, I'm just stressing out a bit -_-
#1228 [19:50] <Dylan> Make a backup
#1229 [19:50] <NinjaKirby> Always do
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#1231 [19:57] <Dylan> AmberK are you realated to jefe323 in #minecraft?
#1232 [19:57] <AmberK> wut
#1233 [19:57] <AmberK> Whoa, when did I get in this channel?
#1234 [19:57] <Dylan> lol
#1235 [19:57] <AmberK> Not physically, why
#1236 [19:58] <Dylan> you said feeding jefe jefe said foods
#1237 [19:58] <AmberK> oh
#1238 [19:58] <AmberK> inside joke xD
#1239 [19:58] <AmberK> we're in a diff channel
#1240 [19:58] <Dylan> and your in different channels
#1241 [19:58] <Dylan> oh
#1242 [19:58] <AmberK> so when we change names there it changes elsewhere as well
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#1251 [20:21] <Name> Hey I'e been trying to log into minecraft but it doesn't let me log in
#1252 [20:22] <Name> It just says "Account has been migrated. Please log in with your email" But I don't remember what email I use when I bought the game
#1253 [20:26] <NinjaKirby> ARGH what is this glitch
#1254 [20:27] <NinjaKirby> People have that many Emails? I've had the same one for over a Decade
#1255 [20:27] <NinjaKirby> Less then 10 spam emails a day, might I add
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#1257 [20:29] <NinjaKirby> Btw, Medtners Nightwind Sonata, haven't lived till you heard it.
#1258 [20:29] <NinjaKirby> Berezovsky version ftw
#1259 [20:29] <NinjaKirby> Also Ashkenazy on Rachmaninoffs Second Sonata, HRRRNG
#1260 [20:44] <|Kiichan|> NinjaKirby: i dont think its a glitch. i think its part of the login system mollstam was messing with.
#1261 [20:44] <|Kiichan|> GreyVulpine: btw.. how long has this been going on? today only?
#1262 [20:44] <GreyVulpine> huh?
#1263 [20:45] <|Kiichan|> migrated accounts have to log in with email in client now
#1264 [20:45] <NinjaKirby> I didn't even reference the glitch I was talking about (I was seedin wid raeg)
#1265 [20:45] <NinjaKirby> It wasn't the one you spoke of though :P
#1266 [20:45] <GreyVulpine> Sorry, I don't know about that.
#1267 [20:45] <|Kiichan|> oh.. :P
#1268 [20:46] <|Kiichan|> https://twitter.com/#!/Marc_IRL/status/195652671628247040/photo/1
#1269 [20:47] <NinjaKirby> Intredasting
#1270 [20:47] <GreyVulpine> Duly noted.
#1271 [20:50] <|Kiichan|> so... apparently only the past hour
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#1277 [21:14] <RoflJason> hello?
#1278 [21:15] <RoflJason> I have a migrated account. If i reset my password i get " File puiblic/resetpassword does not exsit" please i need elp
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#1280 [21:21] <RoflJason> ...
#1281 [21:21] <RoflJason> i need some halp
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#1283 [21:28] <mib_c4an03> I wanted to play a custom map, so i downloaded one and I didn't realize that it was a older version. It didn't work, so i deleted it now it says on my minecraft launcher that there is an update, so i click update now or yes, and it will load then stop loading, so i'll wait and it will say connection error. What do I do?
#1284 [21:30] <mib_c4an03> Also if I hit not now for the update it won't load.
#1285 [21:30] <mib_c4an03> I have 1.2.5 version.
#1286 [21:32] <mib_c4an03> Hello?
#1287 [21:33] <NinjaKirby> Tried the old deletion of the ".minecraft" directory, for a whole re-download?
#1288 [21:33] <NinjaKirby> Obviously taking care to save any maps you have stored in there.
#1289 [21:33] <NinjaKirby> And Screenshots, potentially
#1290 [21:34] <mib_c4an03> It doesn't work. I'm playing the old one. I'll try to delete everything see if that works.
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#1293 [21:35] <NinjaKirby> Backups! I won't be held responsible for loss of data through gross negligence and banana's being inserted into the tail-pipe of your car etc. from any instructions I may suggest to resolute your problem.
#1294 [21:35] <NinjaKirby> Or whatever.
#1295 [21:36] <mib_c4an03> Umm. The deleting of stuff got the farthest on the download bar. 43%... then stopped// any other suggestions?
#1296 [21:37] <NinjaKirby> Shutdown your Firewall/Antivirus?
#1297 [21:37] <mib_c4an03> ok hold on.
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#1299 [21:38] <NinjaKirby> Just temporarily. I will not be held responsible for underlying bots or trojans exploding and nuking your MBR upon the sudden lack of AV heuristics engine keeping it at bay etc.
#1300 [21:38] <NinjaKirby> The classic Reinstall Java might be worth a shot to tbh, won't bother with a disclaimer this time.
#1301 [21:39] <mib_c4an03> ok ill try that
#1302 [21:39] <NinjaKirby> Fixed my problem a while back :) Incremental patch's don't fair so well sometimes, a fresh install from scratch might do it.
#1303 [21:40] <mib_c4an03> How do you actually uninstall Minecraft?
#1304 [21:41] <NinjaKirby> It's only the Executable and .minecraft Folder, as far as I'm aware.
#1305 [21:41] <NinjaKirby> No registry keys or Program Files directories, afaik
#1306 [21:41] <mib_c4an03> Yeah. That's what i thought..
#1307 [21:42] <mib_c4an03> Brb
#1308 [21:42] <NinjaKirby> Shame you can't tell it to place .minecraft elsewhere, then you could run it just off a USB stick I'd guess.
#1309 [21:42] <NinjaKirby> Okie man
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#1314 [22:06] <zoecat> one thing how do I make a server I have downloaded the server.exe and stuff but last time I tried my friend could not join and someone here said I have to connect the modem to the server somehow and I need help from someone with a netcomm
#1315 [22:09] <DopeGhoti> ??> zoecat smp/serversetup
#1316 [22:09] <VoxelHead> zoecat: (smp/serversetup) Lots of information here:
#1317 [22:09] <VoxelHead> zoecat: (smp/serversetup) http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Tutorials/Setting_up_a_server
#1318 [22:11] <zoecat> ok i will try and follow the instructions on wiki
#1319 [22:11] <zoecat> ok i will try and follow the instructions on wiki
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#1321 [22:21] <cfdpipeman> did minecraft login just change?
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#1323 [22:35] <zkxs> cfdpipeman: https://twitter.com/#!/Marc_IRL/status/195652671628247040/photo/1
#1324 [22:38] <cfdpipeman> so are we able to change our IGN now them?
#1325 [22:39] <Omega_Guardian> yesterday server I was on I noticed there was commands referencing some kinda nickname thing, so I assume so
#1326 [22:40] <zkxs> cfdpipeman: no
#1327 [22:40] <cfdpipeman> Well I know there is plugins for that, but I want to be able to change it for good
#1328 [22:40] <zkxs> you cannot do that currently
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#1330 [22:41] <cfdpipeman> thanks
#1331 [22:42] <|Anthony|> YAY!
#1332 [22:43] <|Anthony|> minecraft doesn't crash my Xorg anymore!
#1333 [22:43] <zkxs> :D
#1334 [22:43] <|Anthony|> new gpu and problem solved
#1335 [22:43] <zkxs> Also, it looks like more decent games are coming to linux soon-ish http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=valve_linux_dampfnudeln&num=1
#1336 [22:44] <zkxs> I will have something to do asides from minecraft :)
#1337 [22:44] <|Anthony|> you know how massive a project that actually is?
#1338 [22:44] <zkxs> They have a whole man-cave devoted to it
#1339 [22:44] <|Anthony|> that will either be an epic win or an epic fail
#1340 [22:44] <|Anthony|> either way its epic
#1341 [22:45] <zkxs> yep
#1342 [22:45] <|Anthony|> so i'll grab some popcorn
#1343 [22:45] <zkxs> I'm hoping for a win
#1344 [22:45] <|Anthony|> of course
#1345 [22:45] <zkxs> Because I don't want to have to dual boot to game
#1346 [22:45] <|Anthony|> not at all
#1347 [22:45] <|Anthony|> that was the *only* reason i had a win partition
#1348 [22:45] <|Anthony|> otherwise i use a VM
#1349 [22:46] <Wug> |Anthony|: lol
#1350 [22:46] <zkxs> yeah... i tried VM gaming... :P you know how it ended
#1351 [22:46] <Wug> it says my xorg is broken. whats a xorg?
#1352 [22:46] * |Anthony| facepalm
#1352 [22:47] <Wug> http://xkcd.com/456/
#1353 [22:48] <|Anthony|> lol
#1354 [22:48] <zkxs> "linux"
#1355 [22:48] <|Anthony|> love the quotes
#1356 [22:48] <|Anthony|> hehe
#1357 [22:49] <zkxs> I remember wondering how to work chmod
#1358 [22:49] <|Anthony|> i'm re-learning screen
#1359 [22:49] <zkxs> and thinking "ill never use this"
#1360 [22:49] <|Anthony|> ha
#1361 [22:50] <zkxs> I ssh into my computer often (mainly to get around school firewalls) so I'm somewhat used to screen
#1362 [22:50] <|Anthony|> lol... i have bukkit running in a detached screen session over ssh
#1363 [22:50] <zkxs> same *high five*
#1364 [22:50] <|Anthony|> ^5
#1365 [22:51] <|Anthony|> only issue i have with that is that i don't have scrollback
#1366 [22:51] <|Anthony|> >.<
#1367 [22:51] <|Anthony|> idk why
#1368 [22:51] <zkxs> Ctrl + A, Esc
#1369 [22:51] <|Anthony|> oh thanks
#1370 [22:51] <zkxs> That enters you into copy mode
#1371 [22:51] <zkxs> then you can scroll around with the arrow keys or PgUp/down
#1372 [22:52] <|Anthony|> VoxelHead, may i ask why?
#1373 [22:52] <zkxs> ?? bot
#1374 [22:52] <VoxelHead> bot: I just type quickly.
#1375 [22:52] <zkxs> :)
#1376 [22:52] <|Anthony|> so...
#1377 [22:53] <|Anthony|> "The Enter key is not punctuation. For apparently using it as such, you have been temporarily muted in #MineCraftHelp. If you have a lot to say, please put it on one line."
#1378 [22:53] <zkxs> Vox doubles as a spam-prevention bot
#1379 [22:54] <|Anthony|> maybe i typed too quick
#1380 [22:54] <|Anthony|> dik
#1381 [22:54] <|Anthony|> idk
#1382 [22:54] <zkxs> back when minecraft.net/support linked to us we got a whole lot of noobs
#1383 [22:54] <NinjaKirby> Lawl
#1384 [22:54] <DopeGhoti> or maybe you just continued to use the Enter key as punctuation.
#1385 [22:54] <|Anthony|> lmao
#1386 [22:54] <|Anthony|> no... i did not use ctrl+shift+u+a
#1387 [22:55] <zkxs> oh man, we got some unicode happening
#1388 [22:55] <|Anthony|> well that was fun
#1389 [22:56] <zkxs> :P vox autobanned me earlier
#1390 [22:56] <zkxs> that was funner
#1391 [22:56] <|Anthony|> i'd ban you too for the use of "funner"
#1392 [22:57] <|Anthony|> <-- grammar nazi
#1393 [22:57] <NinjaKirby> Perp had the same qualm with J
#1394 [22:57] <|Anthony|> qualm... good word
#1395 [22:58] <zkxs> thank goodness for my /wiki command
#1396 [22:58] <|Anthony|> lmao
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#1405 [23:58] <bjeardoe> Hello!
#1406 [23:59] <kohlrak> I'm reading the information on the wiki about minecraft circuits, but i'm failing to understand what exactly goes on when a a block is placed ontop of redstone and an adjecent block exists with redstone on top.
#1407 [23:59] <bjeardoe> Anyone available to help me troubleshoot an issue? =)
#1408 [23:59] <kohlrak> what exactly is your issue?