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#3 [00:08] <wikkit> i need help it wont let me use my paypal to buy the game
#4 [00:09] <DiskDaemon> Are you buying it for yourself or as a gift code?
#5 [00:09] <wikkit> myself
#6 [00:09] <DiskDaemon> http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/417071-i-can%E2%80%99t-purchase-minecraft
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#21 [01:48] <DarkzXSoul> After logging in Minecraft reports an Error "LoadLibrary failed with Error 126: The specified module could not be found"
#22 [01:51] <DarkzXSoul> I do have java installed, so i am unsure of the problem
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#24 [01:53] <YinAska> Hi! Im trieng to buy a minecraft account with a MasterCard prepaid card, but when i finish filling in info and press submit, i get this message " can not use your credit/debit card for the next 24 hours" How do i fix this?
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#26 [01:59] <YinAska> Hello?
#27 [02:01] <DarkzXSoul> The channel is quiet tonight.
#28 [02:02] <YinAska> Yeah. Just when i need help XD. Oh well.
#29 [02:02] <DarkzXSoul> Well @YinAska, Saddly I think that the prepaid card is not "activated" for online purchases
#30 [02:02] <DarkzXSoul> Did it say that last night?
#31 [02:02] <YinAska> Yeah
#32 [02:03] <YinAska> i went here and activated it, infact i used 5 bucks earlier
#33 [02:03] <YinAska> giftcardsite.com
#34 [02:04] <DarkzXSoul> I would imagine that you should contact MasterCard, I don't think that the Minecraft webserver has much to do with it. It probalbly has crunched hundreds of prepaid cards with no problem.
#35 [02:04] <YinAska> Ive tried but cant find any page for it.
#36 [02:04] <DarkzXSoul> I think that message is from the MasterCard Servers and not exactly one from the site.
#37 [02:04] <YinAska> It says i can do it manually
#38 [02:04] <DarkzXSoul> Well... customer support for mastercard is who i would bother.
#39 [02:05] <YinAska> Oh wwell, ill try. Thanks anyways.
#40 [02:05] <DarkzXSoul> I personally own a visa so I can help you much but i bet mastercard.com
#41 [02:05] <DarkzXSoul> should have a contact us
#42 [02:06] <DarkzXSoul> So is nobody has an Idea about Error 126?
#43 [02:07] <Calinou> DarkzXSoul, what java version, what operating system are you using?
#44 [02:07] <Calinou> java 7 is still experimental - don't use it for minecraft
#45 [02:07] <Calinou> make sure you use 64 bit java if you're on a 64 bit operating system.
#46 [02:07] <DarkzXSoul> Hm...
#47 [02:08] <DarkzXSoul> I can't get the version from the control panel... Let me reinstall it reall quick
#48 [02:08] <DarkzXSoul> Btw i am using 64bit windows 7
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#50 [02:11] <DarkzXSoul> Well, java 7 is the default one that installes itself
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#52 [02:17] <DarkzXSoul> Well, java 6 update 31 is what i know i have... I still get the error
#53 [02:18] <DarkzXSoul> And it is the 64bit version.
#54 [02:18] <lemon-rev> DarkzXSoul what type of error dude, sorry havent been reading
#55 [02:18] <DarkzXSoul> Error 126 Library could not be loaded
#56 [02:19] <lemon-rev> darkzxsoul could you goto %appdata%/.minecraft < and tell me if theres anything in the bin folder ?
#57 [02:19] <DarkzXSoul> Yes there is filess
#58 [02:20] <DarkzXSoul> The rest of the error specifies that the a module could not be found..
#59 [02:21] <DarkzXSoul> I have force downloaded the files from using the minecrat launcher serveral times to no avail
#60 [02:30] <DarkzXSoul> if it is any help i have an AMD Radion 6550M
#61 [02:31] <DarkzXSoul> *radeon
#62 [02:35] <DarkzXSoul> Well, After some research i found that i could be a problem with ATI and OpenGL. ATI does not support my laptop in their driver system So does that mean i have to wait till Acer gets a newer driver?
#63 [02:38] <DarkzXSoul> Well off to test a theory
#64 [02:38] <DarkzXSoul> Well off to test a theory
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#73 [03:25] <Izbar> HELLO?
#74 [03:25] <Izbar> Okay, I hope minecraft is free, not a freaking paid deal like wow.
#75 [03:26] <Izbar> But why does everyone's graphics look as pixellated as state of the art games from when I was 7?
#76 [03:26] <Calinou> the full game isn't free, the "classic" outdated version is
#77 [03:26] <Calinou> it's an one-time pay. no monthly fees
#78 [03:26] <Izbar> How do I improve the graphics so minecraft is smooth? If I can't, when will MC come out with a version that has smoother, less block-like graphics.
#79 [03:26] <Izbar> One-time? COst then?
#80 [03:26] <Calinou> MC is already released. :P
#81 [03:26] <Calinou> it costs 20 euros (around 26 dollars)
#82 [03:27] <Calinou> you can install third-party HD texture packs for the full version if you want.
#83 [03:27] <Izbar> So the full game has up-to-date graphics?
#84 [03:27] <Calinou> the graphics are still blocky, but looks a bit better with smooth lighting
#85 [03:27] <Calinou> darker grass, etc
#86 [03:27] <Izbar> Why does it still NEED to be blocky?
#87 [03:27] <Calinou> because HD textures don't really "fit" on blocks
#88 [03:27] <Izbar> Why can't it at least look like a game released in 2000?
#89 [03:28] <Izbar> I see, well will future updates make the graphics more updated then?
#90 [03:28] <Izbar> (and updates are once a month like on other MMOs aren't they?)
#91 [03:28] <Calinou> no, the textures are low-resolution for a reason
#92 [03:28] <Calinou> updates are irregular, usually every 2 months now
#93 [03:29] <Calinou> (it's quite often compared to most games)
#94 [03:29] <Izbar> Why, because some Amish players don't like to upgrade past a Windows 3.1 system?
#95 [03:29] <Calinou> windows 3.1 can't run java
#96 [03:29] <Calinou> 8)
#97 [03:29] <Izbar> ok, 95 then.
#98 [03:29] <Wug> Izbar: try running minecraft on windows 3.1
#99 [03:29] <Izbar> Wug: Once I find a suitable 3.1 emulator, okay.
#100 [03:29] <Wug> it will not go well
#101 [03:30] <Wug> if youre going to fixate on graphics, minecraft is not the game for you.
#102 [03:30] <Izbar> Now about character creation: Is there a wide latitude for how I make my character look? Or do they all look the same?
#103 [03:30] <Wug> though you can get texture packs that are higher resolution than the default one
#104 [03:30] <Izbar> wug, once I get MC, I'll hopefully find out where to get the best one.
#105 [03:30] <Wug> you can make your own character skin
#106 [03:31] <Izbar> Cool, Wug. Since the graphics make me feel younger as it reminds me of early childhood, I may as well play a character that looks that young. A character skin can be made to look 7, right?
#107 [03:31] <Wug> they're all the same size, but you could skin it to look like a child
#108 [03:32] <Wug> skins are freeform
#109 [03:33] * Izbar would prefer to look as young as the time when the graphics were state of the art. So if I play Dead Island, I'd prefer to look my 20s.
#109 [03:33] <Izbar> That's so cool, Wug. Now, if I look 7, will interactional dynamics change with the players?
#110 [03:33] <Wug> that depends on the players
#111 [03:34] <Wug> in most cases, probably not.
#112 [03:34] * Izbar just wonders whether I'd be treated like an old man if I look like an old man, etc.
#112 [03:34] <TheBadShepperd> MC isn't an MMO.
#113 [03:34] <TheBadShepperd> Unless I missed an update.
#114 [03:34] <Izbar> If they're "freeform," I'll bet I'd look like a cat if I tried hard enough.
#115 [03:34] <Wug> if you act like one and speak like one, you might gain a reputation as being one
#116 [03:34] <Izbar> What's the genre supposed to be then? And what's the servers' max capacities?
#117 [03:35] <Wug> Izbar: its server specific. large professionally hosted servers can usually handle a few hundred players
#118 [03:35] <Wug> smaller ones might limit it to as low as three
#119 [03:35] <Izbar> that sounds as sparse as south dakota.
#120 [03:35] <Wug> there are no centralized servers, theyre all player run
#121 [03:35] <Izbar> I heard that the game world of minecraft is bigger than any other mmo though.
#122 [03:35] <Wug> its technically infinite
#123 [03:35] <Izbar> So the $26 fee goes to a player then?
#124 [03:35] <Wug> :demo
#125 [03:35] <WugBot> demo: Minecraft has a (somewhat outdated) demo available (last updated for 1.8.1). PCGamer's article here: http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/04/19/download-the-minecraft-demo/ gives the details. In short, it has all the tools of Minecraft survival, and 'locks' itself after 90 minutes.
#126 [03:35] <WugBot> demo: The Direct Download link is available here: http://is.gd/l507ow
#127 [03:36] <Wug> play with this
#128 [03:36] <Izbar> When was the demo version new?
#129 [03:36] <Wug> its not up to date, its several versions behind
#130 [03:36] <Wug> the date is in the link
#131 [03:36] <Izbar> okay
#132 [03:36] <Wug> its about a year old
#133 [03:37] <Wug> you wont be able to play online with that
#134 [03:37] <Wug> servers require an account
#135 [03:37] <Wug> but youll understand what youre in for
#136 [03:37] <Wug> servers are basically the same thing, but with all the joys and torment of competition and cooperation
#137 [03:38] <Izbar> Would I get PK'ed against my will, or are there lands where an "anti-pk barrier field" won't reach, and I only get PK'ed when I get past those fields?
#138 [03:39] <Izbar> Because I'd rather only get PK'ed when I want (say, by going in an arena where PK'ing is permitted, etc.)
#139 [03:39] <Wug> you sound like you're coming to this from runescape
#140 [03:39] <Wug> pvp is server specific
#141 [03:39] <Izbar> My last MMO was, remarkably, Star Trek Online.
#142 [03:39] <Wug> some servers have it enabled, others do not
#143 [03:39] <Wug> others have it enabled in some areas and not others
#144 [03:39] <Izbar> Great, I'll try PvE. Then I might move up to KvK (or FvF) (Kingdom vs. Kingdom, Faction vs. Faction)
#145 [03:40] <Izbar> Or yes, selective-area PVP is great for me too.
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#147 [03:40] <Wug> faction based play is quite entertaining
#148 [03:40] <Izbar> In an older game of Asheron's Call, server capacity was 3,000 players. So if the best servers have just a few hundred, won't I still feel lonely most of the time?
#149 [03:41] <Izbar> I hope it's made up for with a server-wide chatroom.
#150 [03:41] <Wug> do you really interact with 3000 people at once
#151 [03:42] <Wug> yes, chat is server wide
#152 [03:42] <Wug> you'd kill yourself if you had to deal with 3000 people chatting at once
#153 [03:42] <Izbar> Wug, there were no server-wide chats in Asheron's Call most of my time I was there, until I think there was a "trading" chatroom.
#154 [03:42] <Izbar> ah, 3k chatters would make it look like an inverted waterfall...
#155 [03:42] <Izbar> or "waterrise."
#156 [03:43] <Izbar> Well, most of the time though, it was by "physical" proximity.
#157 [03:44] <Izbar> If I was in a major city, chats would be fairly brisk. If I was out in a field fighting critters, far from civilization, I'd only get damage reports, and maybe the occasional Allegiance PM.
#158 [03:45] <Izbar> okay, downloading
#159 [03:45] <Izbar> better be virusfree
#160 [03:46] <Izbar> Wow, 547 KB? That is MASSIVE
#161 [03:46] <Izbar> ...ly tiny.
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#163 [03:48] <Izbar> WHAT THE FUCK IS BABYLON TOOLBAR? And what IS babylon search? Who are these people? I'd rather use Google.
#164 [03:48] * AuBot kicked Izbar from #minecrafthelp (Reason: zbar :Please keep it civil.)
#165 [03:49] <Wug> uhh
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#167 [03:49] <Calinou> derp
#168 [03:49] <Izbar> What the phuc happened?
#169 [03:49] <Calinou> "In an older game of Asheron's Call, server capacity was 3,000 players. So if the best servers have just a few hundred, won't I still feel lonely most of the time?"
#170 [03:49] <Calinou> minecraft is (somewhat unfortunately) in java, servers eat a lot of RAM/CPU/bandwidth already
#171 [03:49] * GreyVulpine stabs Wug
#171 [03:49] <Calinou> plus its code is far from optimized
#172 [03:49] <Calinou> servers with 250 players require a very good hardware
#173 [03:50] <Izbar> Hmm, I clicked the WRONG download link on TOP of PCgamer's page: http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/04/19/download-the-minecraft-demo/
#174 [03:50] <Wug> Izbar: lol
#175 [03:50] <Izbar> Seems that was just a banner ad for a no-name program.
#176 [03:50] * Wug stabs GreyVulpine "morning"
#176 [03:50] <Calinou> Izbar, the launcher is 547kb yes
#177 [03:51] <Calinou> but the game data is around 80MB. still very light
#178 [03:51] <Izbar> It's a compressor that I almost installed. Recycled it just not long ago.
#179 [03:52] <Calinou> if you want better graphics btw, there's a "shaders" mod out there
#180 [03:52] <Calinou> it requires a good computer to run fluidly.
#181 [03:52] <Calinou> it adds depth of field, dynamic shadows and that kind of stuff.
#182 [03:52] <Izbar> Mine's fall 2007; 15 years after the graphics were state-of-the-art so it shouldn't be a problem
#183 [03:52] <Izbar> I'll find the paste of my systemspecs
#184 [03:53] <Izbar> http://pastebin.com/pRt0QSNi
#185 [03:55] <Wug> Calinou: its not 80MB
#186 [03:55] <Wug> its more like 3
#187 [03:55] <Calinou> your graphics card is _very_ old
#188 [03:55] <Calinou> Wug, minecraft.jar is around 3MB
#189 [03:55] <Calinou> plus the sounds: 20-40MB I think
#190 [03:55] <Calinou> plus the dependencies (lwjgl and that stuff): 10MB
#191 [03:56] <Wug> 47MB total
#192 [03:56] <Wug> I was only including actual executable files
#193 [03:56] <Calinou> Izbar, your graphics card probably won't minecraft fluidly. yes, it is resource-intensive
#194 [03:56] <Calinou> you can try
#195 [03:56] <Wug> an 8600 will run it ok
#196 [03:56] <Calinou> don't expect to run shaders on minecraft with it, though :P
#197 [03:57] <Calinou> a 9600M runs minecraft with the shaders mod at 35FPS (far+fancy)
#198 [03:58] <Wug> might have to skimp on the far and fancy
#199 [03:59] <Izbar> Calinou: What year do you think my graphic card was state of the art?
#200 [04:00] <Wug> Izbar: it was released in may 2007
#201 [04:01] <Izbar> incredible; see if i can find the release date info as quickly as you
#202 [04:01] <Wug> I had a head start
#203 [04:02] <Wug> having had to look up such things before, I knew that the wikipedia page on the series has release dates and capabilities of each one in nice tables
#204 [04:02] <Wug> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_8_Series#GeForce_8600M_Series
#205 [04:02] <Izbar> Wug: doesn't like to say: https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS458US458&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=%22256MB+GeForce+8600M+GT%22+released#hl=en&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS458US458&sclient=psy-ab&q=%22256MB+GeForce+8600M+GT%22+%22released+on%22&oq=%22256MB+GeForce+8600M+GT%22+%22released+on%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_nf=1&gs_l=serp.3...22015.23914.0.24184.8.7.1.0.0.0.190.708.5j2.9.0.FVC6SsxFT2E&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=77239384b
#206 [04:03] <Izbar> ok
#207 [04:03] <Wug> I just googled "8600m release"
#208 [04:03] <Wug> the wikipedia page was the first result
#209 [04:05] <Izbar> guess sometimes i try too hard
#210 [04:06] <Izbar> I knew my laptop seemed obsolete after only a year; can't seem to play Crysis 1 and Grand Theft Auto IV well enough to satisfy me, so they're back in their cases, collecting dust until THIS laptop comes along:
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#212 [04:06] <Calinou> crysis 1 doesn't look that good, but it doesn't run nicely at all.
#213 [04:06] <Izbar> http://pastebin.com/jLnwztXw
#214 [04:06] <Izbar> $1561 is the BASE config; after the enhancements downlist, the final price is at bottom./
#215 [04:06] <Izbar> But I'd rather wait for Moore's Law to work its magic on the price-performance.
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#217 [04:07] <Wug> why do you have $200 worth of graphics cards and $800 worth of SSDs
#218 [04:07] <Izbar> So possibly 'til the same set of parts altogether cost $3000.
#219 [04:07] <Wug> just get a regular bulk drive
#220 [04:07] <Izbar> SDs mean robustness. I HATE for spinners to fail EPICALLY and lose all my data
#221 [04:08] <Wug> SSDs have different failure modes
#222 [04:08] <Wug> like you stop being able to write to them
#223 [04:08] <Izbar> I read that SDs would take so long to fail, I'd be onto my next laptop before the first fialure happens
#224 [04:08] <Izbar> But at least I'd be able to read and recover them though?
#225 [04:08] <Izbar> And after how long, would it fail to write?
#226 [04:08] <Wug> as long as the filesystem doesnt wedge itself into some retarded broken state
#227 [04:08] <Wug> and I dont know, I dont own any
#228 [04:09] <Wug> but I hardly think its worth a $500 premium for a smaller drive
#229 [04:09] <Izbar> So I'll wait 'til SSDs hit $1/gb.
#230 [04:09] <Wug> youre not really going to do anything to take advantage of the speed on it either
#231 [04:09] <Wug> I'd just stick with a $90 750GB
#232 [04:09] <Izbar> I've seen graphs, etc. indicating that they're several times faster than spinners.
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#234 [04:10] <Wug> yeah, but what are you going to use the speed for
#235 [04:10] <Wug> games are all bottlenecked by graphics
#236 [04:10] <Wug> 7200RPM drives get about 120MB/s of read
#237 [04:11] <Wug> low end SSDs typically get improvements of 50% to 150%
#238 [04:11] <Izbar> $90 for 750gb sounds like a ripoff anyway. I've seen HDs at Best Buy for between $60-$65/TB
#239 [04:11] <Wug> at that point, its midrange
#240 [04:11] <Wug> Izbar: maybe for a 3.5" one
#241 [04:12] <Wug> also, thailand
#242 [04:12] <Izbar> Thailand helped SSDs catch up to the spinners, somewhat.
#243 [04:12] <Wug> if that 512GB drive were $250 I'd get it
#244 [04:12] <Wug> but at $600, nope
#245 [04:13] <Wug> for that price I can get like 8TB of mechanical storage
#246 [04:13] <Izbar> I saw two SSDs for the same storage space; one by Crucial, other by Samsung. Seemed about $50-100 apart (Samsung being pricier.)
#247 [04:15] <Wug> high end SSDs are typically PCIe as opposed to sata, have capacities of usually something more than 512GB, have r/w of usually about 1GB/s, and will run you about $3000
#248 [04:17] <Izbar> Hey, when I take items from a treasurechest, I don't want to remove 1 item at a time (epic tedium), I'd like to remove ALL AT ONCE. How do I remove all at once?
#249 [04:17] <Wug> you cant, but you can shift click
#250 [04:17] <Wug> you might be able to find a mod to do all at once
#251 [04:18] <Izbar> I can stack other items but I CAN'T STACK BREAD?
#252 [04:18] <Wug> Izbar: also everyone hates you for pinging them in #help
#253 [04:18] <Wug> and you can stack break
#254 [04:18] <Wug> thats been changed since the demo
#255 [04:19] <Izbar> Ah, good.
#256 [04:20] <Izbar> wug, yeah sorry, I couldn't get an answer soon enough from them. That's what I used to do in freenode (to large rooms) then it kicked too many hornets' nests, so I do it in smaller rooms nowo (where users are more docile) and I thought this network woudl be different
#257 [04:20] <Wug> you're lucky you ran out of characters in the s's, testdummy probably would have banned you
#258 [04:20] <Izbar> But i'm outta there now and when I log in different sessions, I usually change to different names; I'm rarely on the same name twice.
#259 [04:21] <Wug> like, from the network
#260 [04:21] <Izbar> is testdummy a kline bot?
#261 [04:21] <Wug> no, but hes a grumpy oper
#262 [04:21] <Izbar> How long would he have klined me for?
#263 [04:21] <Wug> and in general, its not a good idea to ping everyone in a channel run by the network staff
#264 [04:21] <GreyVulpine> Izbar - It's bad manners to ping people like that
#265 [04:22] <Izbar> There's a kline bot on freenode named "idoru" - klines are usually 2-3 weeks from her.
#266 [04:22] <Wug> idk, long enough that by the time it expired you would have forgotten
#267 [04:22] <GreyVulpine> This isn't freenode
#268 [04:22] <Izbar> And Freenode had a sky-colored background on its webchat. How do I change this dark background here?
#269 [04:23] <Wug> play with the source
#270 [04:26] <Calinou> "her." > bots are girls?
#271 [04:26] <Calinou> since when? :P
#272 [04:26] <Izbar> I can't climb into trees? Nor even jump into the tree-branch canopies? I hope they fixed that after the demo
#273 [04:27] <Izbar> They made idoru a female for some reason; allegedly an anime character name
#274 [04:27] <Calinou> you can't climb trees. use ladders, or use a built staircase/pillar
#275 [04:27] <Izbar> I still hope to build a tree-house!
#276 [04:27] <Calinou> you can't walk through leaves: intended
#277 [04:27] <Izbar> Why shouldn't I?"
#278 [04:28] <Calinou> because it'd simply feel weird to be able to walk through leaves. it is fine the way it is IMO
#279 [04:29] <Izbar> I'd get lightly brushed by the leaves and branches if I walked through them in real life; so what if it just "feels weird." There's gotta be a more practical reason.
#280 [04:30] <Calinou> leaves are just solid in minecraft. can't say anything else :P
#281 [04:30] <Calinou> there aren't much physics in minecraft
#282 [04:30] <Calinou> falling sand/gravel, flowing water/lava, fire spread
#283 [04:30] <Izbar> WHOA, EPIC BADASSERY RELEASED YESTERDAY: http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/article-keynote/
#284 [04:31] <Izbar> Started at $999
#285 [04:31] <Izbar> Too bad it'll be a while before they're made for laptops.
#286 [04:33] <Calinou> $999 for a graphics card, lol'd
#287 [04:33] <Calinou> if you want a cheap graphics card that runs games quite nicely, there's the 9600, costs around 40-50 euros.
#288 [04:33] <Calinou> it is as performant as GT440
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#325 [09:04] <mib_10590m> hello?
#326 [09:06] <mib_10590m> well i just wanted to suggest that the need to defeat the enderdragon needs to be higher. something like world catastrophes occur and to stop them you have to defeat all of the endermen in the end and the enderdragon
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#328 [09:10] * Calinou puts this in "funniest quotes"
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#333 [09:24] <Kampeki> I'm having ocelots spawning at behind every few seconds,and they keep spawning,how to fix?
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#335 [09:27] <Kampeki> no one? :(
#336 [09:29] <sammaelt> hm do you have to latest version? just curious "Fixed wild ocelots behaving like tamed cats"
#337 [09:29] <sammaelt> oh i guess thats not the same thing sorry
#338 [09:31] <Kampeki> Np
#339 [09:31] <Kampeki> It started suddenly after I killed a creeper
#340 [09:32] <Kampeki> Now ocelots spawn everywhere I go
#341 [09:35] <sammaelt> weird
#342 [09:35] <sammaelt> do you use some conflictual mods maybe?
#343 [09:36] <Kampeki> no mods
#344 [09:36] <sammaelt> did you try making a backup of your save and forcing update
#345 [09:37] <Kampeki> Yes,as well as deleting all .jar files
#346 [09:37] <Calinou> Kampeki, "bad chunk" error. see http://mcsaver.net
#347 [09:37] <Calinou> some dude fixes maps when he has free time, see his site
#348 [09:37] <Kampeki> Oh,thank you :)
#349 [09:37] <sammaelt> cool :)
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#354 [09:45] <ae0000> hello.. whats the run down on pvp? i have been to a cpuple of pvp servers and there was basically no-one there... whats the best way to get into pvp?
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#358 [09:53] <sammaelt> how about this one there's 7 players right now (i didnt try it though) http://mcserverlist.net/servers/4d54fb214e99000ffd000022
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#360 [09:54] <Dag> ae0000, look for servers?
#361 [09:54] <Dag> there's no miracle server that's always full of people
#362 [09:56] <ae0000> ok thanks - i'll have a look
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#374 [11:07] <sammaelt> hi, can someone tell me how to change the difficulty settings when hosting a bukkit server?
#375 [11:08] <oldtopman> Not here. You might try #bikkit though.
#376 [11:08] <AmberK> I can
#377 [11:08] <oldtopman> #bukkit *
#378 [11:08] <AmberK> simple enough
#379 [11:08] <AmberK> it's the same thing as vanilla
#380 [11:08] <AmberK> difficulty is in the server.properties file
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#382 [11:12] <sammaelt> oh thank you very much AmberK i should have though of this myself
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#385 [11:23] <MysteryAlabaster> Anyone else run a server on Bukkit?
#386 [11:25] <MysteryAlabaster> Nobody?
#387 [11:25] <Morrolan> Yes I do.
#388 [11:25] <MysteryAlabaster> Plugin suggestions?
#389 [11:26] <Morrolan> Any plugin which logs block interactions, aka LogBlock, HawkEye, Guardian
#390 [11:26] <MysteryAlabaster> I run a private server for let's play YouTube videos. Mainly survival stuff. Any plugins that add things to the game?
#391 [11:26] <MysteryAlabaster> I have logblock for my public server.
#392 [11:26] <Morrolan> Ah. There is only so much plugins can add. If you want new items you will have to add a mod.
#393 [11:26] <MysteryAlabaster> Damn...
#394 [11:27] <Morrolan> Apart from that I like Craftbook, has toggle-able bridges and so.
#395 [11:27] <MysteryAlabaster> How would one do that when running bukkit?
#396 [11:27] <MysteryAlabaster> On a Mac.
#397 [11:27] <Morrolan> Find a mod which supports Bukkit, then mod it as usual.
#398 [11:27] <Morrolan> Open the jar file in an archive manager, drop the files in.
#399 [11:27] <MysteryAlabaster> Oh, I thought it might be different seeing as it's not the same files.
#400 [11:28] <Morrolan> Ofcourse oyu can't just dump a mod written for a vanilla server in there.
#401 [11:28] <MysteryAlabaster> Oh.
#402 [11:28] <MysteryAlabaster> Damn...
#403 [11:28] <MysteryAlabaster> Well, I need to go. I'll be back later.
#404 [11:28] <MysteryAlabaster> Thanks for the help.
#405 [11:29] <Morrolan> Sure thing
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#408 [11:36] <xales> :|
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#410 [11:39] <oldtopman> xales: Can I help you?
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#426 [13:09] <Henix_Aurorus> how do I launch MC via cmd?
#427 [13:09] <iAN_> java -Xms512m -Xmx1024m -cp "%APPDATA%\.minecraft\bin\*" -Djava.library.path="%APPDATA%\.minecraft\bin\natives" net.minecraft.client.Minecraft
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#429 [13:11] <Calinou> iAN_, sometimes "java -Xms(amount of ram) -Xmx(amount of ram) <path to launcher>.jar works
#430 [13:11] <Calinou> well on most installations
#431 [13:11] <iAN_> Calinou: ?? I don't use the command line
#432 [13:11] <iAN_> Henix_Aurorus : asked
#433 [13:12] <Calinou> iAN_, also, for performance reasons, it is best to use the same -Xms and -Xmx
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#435 [13:13] <Henix_Aurorus> I tried both, both didn't work. :\
#436 [13:15] <Henix_Aurorus> by the way, has anyone ever had a crash where MC asplodes when changing texture pack?
#437 [13:16] <Henix_Aurorus> I keep getting it and MC just doesn't want to throw the error while MinecraftError's open, which is why I wanted to know how to run MC via cmd.
#438 [13:17] <Henix_Aurorus> It's been frozen for ten minutes and hasn't thrown the error yet, simply because MinecraftError is open. It's driving me insane.
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#442 [13:23] <sugoi> Henix_Aurorus: hd texture pack i assume? what tool did you use to [patch the client?
#443 [13:23] <sugoi> which texture pack is it?
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#445 [13:23] <Henix_Aurorus> 16x16, it's oCd
#446 [13:23] <sugoi> it'sa 16x and it froze your game
#447 [13:23] <sugoi> interesting
#448 [13:23] <Henix_Aurorus> Painterly does the same thing.
#449 [13:23] <sugoi> so is your client vanilla?
#450 [13:24] <Henix_Aurorus> modded
#451 [13:24] <sugoi> try (of course) switching textures from vanilla
#452 [13:24] <Henix_Aurorus> alright
#453 [13:24] <sugoi> if that works, blame the mods :/
#454 [13:24] <sugoi> still odd, not heard of this on a 16x
#455 [13:24] <sugoi> tho, i don't listen that often compared to others here
#456 [13:24] <sugoi> so - just bc i haven't heard of it doesn't mean much :)
#457 [13:24] <Henix_Aurorus> And I closed MinecraftError and it throws the error. T_T
#458 [13:25] <sugoi> what was the error?
#459 [13:25] <Henix_Aurorus> That's the problem- I couldn't read it
#460 [13:25] <sugoi> explain
#461 [13:25] <Henix_Aurorus> It's one of those HEY I CRASHED- black screen crashes.
#462 [13:26] <Henix_Aurorus> Not even a second to read the error.
#463 [13:26] <Henix_Aurorus> I hate them. :S
#464 [13:26] <sugoi> ok :(
#465 [13:26] <Henix_Aurorus> bin switch time!
#466 [13:27] <Henix_Aurorus> it worked
#467 [13:27] <Henix_Aurorus> switched
#468 [13:27] <sugoi> perhaps time to pinpoint which mod is at fault
#469 [13:27] <Henix_Aurorus> now to figure out why it crashes beause none of the mods I have modify anything to do with texture packs.
#470 [13:28] <Henix_Aurorus> And if it was Zombe it'd have happened before. :/
#471 [13:28] <Henix_Aurorus> bin switch again because I have a theory
#472 [13:29] <Henix_Aurorus> Okay, it's not a texture pack issue, it's the fact that something doesn't WANT me to change the texture pack.
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#474 [13:30] <Henix_Aurorus> I didn't have that issue before, which tells me that one of two things is responsible- 4096 fix or Dust Mod.
#475 [13:30] <Henix_Aurorus> Because I installed those two just today. :\
#476 [13:31] <sugoi> so build a package of mc with only one of the two
#477 [13:31] <sugoi> and see if you can switch textures
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#479 [13:32] <sugoi> i would try using 4096 fix
#480 [13:32] <sugoi> i doubt that gets mad about textures
#481 [13:34] <Henix_Aurorus> can't tell
#482 [13:34] <sugoi> why not?
#483 [13:34] <Henix_Aurorus> MC just exploded with an ArrayIndexOutOfBounds error (I think that's what it was)
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#485 [13:36] <Henix_Aurorus> Actually
#486 [13:36] <Henix_Aurorus> You are incorrect
#487 [13:36] <Henix_Aurorus> 4096 fix IS responsible.
#488 [13:36] <Henix_Aurorus> I just removed dust mod and tried it, and it exploded.
#489 [13:37] <sugoi> exploded when switching textures?
#490 [13:37] <Henix_Aurorus> Yes
#491 [13:37] <sugoi> that is odd, but whatever
#492 [13:37] <Henix_Aurorus> Which is kinda odd given the fact that 4096 fix allows you to actually use 4096 block IDs and that's it
#493 [13:38] <sugoi> software modding isn't rarely quite so surgical - my assumption that the 4096 fix would be compat. was because i would have assumed they tested textures
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#495 [13:38] <sugoi> is rarely*
#496 [13:39] <sugoi> s/double negative//
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#499 [13:51] <Henix_Aurorus> oh lol
#500 [13:51] <Henix_Aurorus> it doesn't like texture pack, period
#501 [13:52] <Henix_Aurorus> I hit "done" in "Texture Packs" and it explodes
#502 [13:52] <iAN_> why?
#503 [13:52] <iAN_> why do you need 4096? why do you need other textures?
#504 [13:53] <Dag> iAN_, Mods, obviously.
#505 [13:54] <Dag> If he's using another texture it's to reskin a texture of a mod.
#506 [13:55] <Henix_Aurorus> actually I never had the issue until 4096 fix came along
#507 [13:57] <Dag> Oh
#508 [13:57] <Dag> I feel stupid
#509 [13:57] <Dag> Nevermind what I said :I
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#515 [14:15] <sugoi> iAN_: are you anti-texture packs or something?
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#520 [14:22] <iAN_> sugoi : nope
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#524 [14:27] <shackle> hi
#525 [14:27] <Grim_Reaper> Hello
#526 [14:28] <shackle> well i got a question about mods on my craftbukkit server, am i in the right place here?
#527 [14:28] <Grim_Reaper> not quite. you can /join #bukkit for that :3
#528 [14:28] <shackle> ah oki, ill try that ty
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#531 [14:48] <sugoi> am i in the right place for random unsolicited hugs?
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#561 [17:19] <panitaliemom> So i keep getting a fatal game error and i want to buy the game but i want it to work any ideas
#562 [17:23] <GreyVulpine> What error would that be?
#563 [17:23] <GreyVulpine> Please pastebin it
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#565 [17:25] <panitaliemom> An error occured while loading the applet Please contact Support to resolve this issue
#566 [17:26] <panitaliemom> Fatal error occured(5): A device attached to the system is not funtioning
#567 [17:27] <panitaliemom> functioning**
#568 [17:27] <sugoi> panitaliemom: can you pastebin the entire msg for us?
#569 [17:28] <panitaliemom> That was all it said
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#571 [17:29] <sugoi> panitaliemom: was that when loading classic in the browser?
#572 [17:29] <panitaliemom> Yes
#573 [17:31] <sugoi> well the applet is java...i know next to nothing about the classic version (grey is a better resource)
#574 [17:31] <sugoi> what version of java are you using?
#575 [17:31] <panitaliemom> Newest one
#576 [17:33] <sugoi> 7 or 6
#577 [17:33] <sugoi> and do other java apps work?
#578 [17:34] <panitaliemom> Java 6.9
#579 [17:34] <panitaliemom> And all other Java games work
#580 [17:34] <sugoi> 6.31 would be more "latest" :)
#581 [17:35] <sugoi> what os?
#582 [17:35] <sugoi> suprised you have other "java" games
#583 [17:36] <panitaliemom> os?
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#585 [17:38] <panitaliemom> Another important thing i forgot to add is it says your certificate is invalid before it reaches the error screen
#586 [17:38] <sugoi> yeah, os [windows, mac, linux]
#587 [17:39] <panitaliemom> Windows
#588 [17:39] <panitaliemom> Windows 7
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#590 [17:44] <malteee> Hello.
#591 [17:45] <malteee> When I want to run Ubuntu under Ubuntu 12.04 LTS, I become the following error:
#592 [17:45] <malteee> Exception in thread "main" java.awt.HeadlessException at java.awt.GraphicsEnvironment.checkHeadless(GraphicsEnvironment.java:173) at java.awt.Window.<init>(Window.java:476) at java.awt.Frame.<init>(Frame.java:419) at net.minecraft.LauncherFrame.<init>(LauncherFrame.java:27) at net.minecraft.LauncherFrame.main(LauncherFrame.java:158)
#593 [17:46] <GreyVulpine> Try using Sun/Oracle Java instead of OpenJDK
#594 [17:48] <malteee> GreyVulpine: Can I find Sun Java in the offical Pakets?
#595 [17:50] <sugoi> malteee: headless? are you trying to start minecraft from a console window that doesn't have X?
#596 [17:51] <malteee> sugoi: I try to start minecraft from a terminal.
#597 [17:51] <sugoi> malteee: can you open other gui apps from that terminal?
#598 [17:52] <malteee> GreyVulpine: Is there a way to run Minecraft with OpenJDK insted of Sun/Oracle Java?
#599 [17:52] <sugoi> malteee: he was just giving a suggestion to reduce variables
#600 [17:52] <sugoi> to pinpoint the problem
#601 [17:52] <malteee> sugoi: Do you mean other programms or other Java programms?
#602 [17:52] <sugoi> i use icedtea, fyi
#603 [17:53] <Wug> malteee: youre missing the GUI version for some reason
#604 [17:53] <Wug> not sure how that happened, its weird
#605 [17:53] <sugoi> malteee: i agree with wug, i didn't know java (openjdk) could install in this manner
#606 [17:53] <sugoi> but typically with other apps, you don't have headless unless it was installed that way
#607 [17:53] <Wug> sugoi: I did know that it could, but doing it by accident isnt easy
#608 [17:54] <Wug> you have to install a specific package
#609 [17:54] <malteee> Now, I have uninstalled OpenJDK
#610 [17:54] <sugoi> Wug: that makes more sense
#611 [17:54] <Wug> malteee: sudo apt-get install openjdk-6-jre
#612 [17:55] <malteee> Wug: And whats with OpenJDK 7??
#613 [17:55] <sugoi> depends who you ask :)
#614 [17:55] <Wug> malteee: I have been using openjdk 7 for quite some time without issues
#615 [17:55] <malteee> ok
#616 [17:55] <Wug> you can try it if you want
#617 [17:56] <malteee> no. Never change a running system ;)
#618 [17:56] <Wug> I have to use updated lwjgl though, the version that comes with minecraft doesnt work
#619 [17:56] <Wug> and yours isnt running
#620 [17:56] <malteee> ah, ok
#621 [17:56] <Wug> you might as well try it
#622 [17:56] <malteee> yes xD
#623 [17:57] <malteee> Wug: Ahhh! Now, Minecraft is running
#624 [17:57] <malteee> Thank you :9
#625 [17:57] <malteee> :)
#626 [17:57] <sugoi> psh, took my kill
#627 [17:57] * sugoi aims for a headshot on wug
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#635 [18:39] <link70114> So ... the pina colada thing was true ?
#636 [18:39] <link70114> we need to drink it to get on the other realm ? x)
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#638 [18:44] <Cole36912> !check 98.155.13.134
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#644 [19:42] <raitoBR> hello guys,i have one question
#645 [19:44] <raitoBR> because minecraft don't rom in my computer?first error is jave,but my java is 1.7.0 and second error is bad card.the configuration of my computer is:702 RAM,AMD,ATI Radeon 9250 series.'-'
#646 [19:45] <raitoBR> i need a help '-'
#647 [19:45] <GreyVulpine> We've seen issues with the early Radeon 9000 series of cards. Seems it may just be too old to run minecraft properly
#648 [19:47] <raitoBR> hum then just changing the series of card to run minecraft?T_T
#649 [19:49] <raitoBR> is to play the survival mode in minecraft classics(free minecraft)?
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#665 [20:40] <zrock> Hello everyone.
#666 [20:41] <zrock> So I am attempting to host my own server, have the jar files set up on a dedicated desktop I have. The server is up and running and I can connect to it internally, but no one can connect via my external ip. I have a Vizio router, have supposedly forwarded port 25565 both tcp and udp to the server's ip address, and still have no luck. Any suggestions? I have skype/TV if it would help.
#667 [20:45] <Wug> zrock: you have probably forwarded to the wrong internal address. we see that a lot
#668 [20:45] <Wug> ;check zrock
#669 [20:45] <WugBot> host-205-32-107-208.midco.net:25565 is accepting connections.
#670 [20:45] <Wug> yeah, looks like it
#671 [20:45] <Wug> make sure you have forwarded the port to the correct internal ip
#672 [20:46] * GreyVulpine stabs Wug
#672 [20:46] * Wug stabs GreyVulpine "hello"
#672 [20:46] <Wug> something about ss13
#673 [20:46] <GreyVulpine> Bay12 has a server.
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#676 [20:55] <Wug> ;+ iip Windows: open a command prompt (cmd.exe) and type ipconfig. Mac/Linux: Open a terminal and type ifconfig.;;Search the output for a value labeled "ipv4 address" (usually looks something like 192.168.1.100). This is your ipv4 address, forward ports to it.
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#678 [20:57] <Wug> zrock: how much of that did you get
#679 [20:57] <zrock> wug, I have it forwarded to the proper computer for the server
#680 [20:57] <zrock> 192.168.1.107
#681 [20:57] <zrock> is the comps internal ip
#682 [20:58] <zrock> i've tried a /release /renew on the IP
#683 [20:58] <zrock> a hard and a soft reboot on the router
#684 [20:58] <zrock> port checkers are showing forwarded ports as closed still
#685 [21:01] <Wug> do you have a double nat
#686 [21:01] <Wug> ie, is your router behind another router
#687 [21:01] <Wug> and are you sure thats the computer's internal ip
#688 [21:01] <zrock> router is behind a modem
#689 [21:01] <zrock> not a wireless modem though
#690 [21:01] <zrock> and ipconfig /all shows that as the ipv4
#691 [21:01] <Wug> it looks like its open but nothing is listening
#692 [21:02] <zrock> and ipv6 is disabled
#693 [21:02] <Wug> ;check zrock
#694 [21:02] <WugBot> host-205-32-107-208.midco.net:25565 is accepting connections.
#695 [21:02] <Wug> is the server running
#696 [21:02] <zrock> yes
#697 [21:02] <zrock> i may have to go back to my wrt120n from linksys
#698 [21:03] <zrock> I've even tried turning on DMZ for the server's ip
#699 [21:04] <zrock> i may use the portchecker to run through a list of ports, find the ones that are open, then change the server properties to use that port
#700 [21:04] <zrock> think that could work?
#701 [21:05] <Wug> hang on
#702 [21:05] <zrock> ok
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#704 [21:08] <Wug> im convinced its a wrong internal port
#705 [21:08] <zrock> when i forward the ports on my router
#706 [21:08] <Wug> is the server running on a different poty
#707 [21:08] <Wug> port*
#708 [21:08] <zrock> there is an internal and external port
#709 [21:08] <zrock> no its still 25565
#710 [21:08] <Wug> the bot says the port is open
#711 [21:08] <zrock> should those internal/external ports match?
#712 [21:09] <Wug> yes
#713 [21:09] <zrock> they do
#714 [21:09] <Wug> the bot says its open, and all things indicate that its being forwarded but to nowhere
#715 [21:09] <zrock> any ideas on a solution?
#716 [21:10] <Wug> do you have a firewall
#717 [21:10] <AmberK> What IP did you forward it to?
#718 [21:10] <AmberK> and on the firewall
#719 [21:10] <AmberK> make sure incoming and outgoing java connection are not blocked
#720 [21:10] <AmberK> as well as port 25565
#721 [21:11] <Wug> you might try just disabling the firewall to see if that fixes it
#722 [21:11] <AmberK> and make sure you have the OS default firewall as well as any software firewalls allowing this
#723 [21:11] <Wug> if it does, you can add an exception
#724 [21:11] * AmberK breathes.
#724 [21:13] <zrock> what port would java connections be?
#725 [21:13] <zrock> ALL firewalls are off
#726 [21:13] <zrock> windows, any 3rd parties, and my routers
#727 [21:13] <Wug> in this case, they are 25565
#728 [21:13] <Wug> ;check zrock
#729 [21:13] <WugBot> host-205-32-107-208.midco.net:25565 is accepting connections.
#730 [21:13] <zrock> and the IP forwarded to, again, is 192.168.1.107, which is the server
#731 [21:14] <zrock> brb in like 10, but ill look at what you post when i get back
#732 [21:14] <zrock> i know it says its acceping, but its not once it hits the router for some reason
#733 [21:14] <Wug> please check a hundred times or so to make sure you didnt make a typo somewhere
#734 [21:14] <zrock> the IP you're checking is my modem i believe
#735 [21:14] <zrock> I will again, but im sure i didnt
#736 [21:14] <AmberK> anyhow
#737 [21:14] <AmberK> yes
#738 [21:14] <AmberK> your port forwarding should be fine if we can check it from here
#739 [21:15] <AmberK> By java connections, I mean the firewall specifically blocking a software
#740 [21:15] <AmberK> not a port
#741 [21:15] <Wug> you have no idea how many people we get who are totally convinced that they did it right but the internal ip is wrong somewhere
#742 [21:15] <AmberK> I do actually
#743 [21:15] <AmberK> :P
#744 [21:15] <Wug> I'm talking to zrock
#745 [21:15] <AmberK> oh lol
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#747 [21:15] <Wug> so forgive me for making 100000% sure
#748 [21:15] <Wug> it happens so many times
#749 [21:15] <AmberK> I would assume it is firewall, seeing as the router is allowing connections
#750 [21:15] <yellowduck360> I can't send to #minecraft
#751 [21:16] <Wug> yellowduck360: read the topic
#752 [21:16] <Wug> I think you've been told this before
#753 [21:16] <Wug> by me
#754 [21:16] <yellowduck360> my nick is registered
#755 [21:16] <Wug> I'm pretty sure I told you to read all of the relevant info so you wouldnt run into this again
#756 [21:16] <yellowduck360> it has been about 4 times
#757 [21:16] <Wug> because I'm pretty sure last time wasnt the first either
#758 [21:16] <Wug> so are you going to learn it this time
#759 [21:17] <Wug> or will you be back next week :S
#760 [21:17] <Wug> and no, your nickname is not registered
#761 [21:17] <Wug> they expire after 30 days
#762 [21:17] <Wug> reregister it
#763 [21:17] <yellowduck360> well, why the **** do I have to register it 5 times
#764 [21:17] <DiskDaemon> they expire after 30 days
#765 [21:18] <DiskDaemon> After 30 days of not being used, they free the name up for others
#766 [21:18] <yellowduck360> that's stupid
#767 [21:18] <DiskDaemon> Come back more than once a month that that problem goes away
#768 [21:19] <yellowduck360> there
#769 [21:19] <XO> Does running a server on a dedi box and running my client on windows mean I need two seperate memberships?
#770 [21:19] <yellowduck360> still can't
#771 [21:19] <Wug> yellowduck360: verify your registration
#772 [21:20] <yellowduck360> how? I forgot
#773 [21:22] <Wug> check your email and follow the directions
#774 [21:33] <XO> Hrmm I guess I need sun-java to run this in linux
#775 [21:34] <Wug> XO: you dont but some claim it helps
#776 [21:34] <Wug> I've been using 64 bit openjdk 7
#777 [21:34] <Wug> which is pretty much the most unsupported configuration ever
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#781 [22:04] <zrock> So a little bit more than 10 minjutes, but im back and have 100x checked everything
#782 [22:05] <zrock> And wug
#783 [22:05] <zrock> here is a link to my port forward http://imgur.com/j2qgk
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#785 [22:11] <zrock> brb
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#787 [22:13] <ZrRock> Hey wug, im back, had to switch names
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#790 [22:15] <ZrRock> The issue has to be in my MODEM itself
#791 [22:15] <ZrRock> but i have no clue how to access it
#792 [22:25] <Wug> ZrRock: can you delete the port forwarding rule in the router, or disable it
#793 [22:26] <yellowduck360> Wug, why does it take forever for esper to send the verification e-mail
#794 [22:26] <yellowduck360> ?
#795 [22:26] <ZrRock> Wug, delete which one?
#796 [22:26] <Wug> yellowduck360: check your spam
#797 [22:26] <Wug> ZrRock: the port 25565 ones
#798 [22:27] <yellowduck360> nothing
#799 [22:27] <Wug> yellowduck360: what email provider do you have
#800 [22:27] <yellowduck360> yahoo
#801 [22:27] <ZrRock> Yes, I can delete them
#802 [22:27] <Wug> go to #help
#803 [22:29] <Wug> ZrRock: are they deleted/disabled
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#805 [22:30] <ZrRock> i switched to a different router and deleted ALL the port forwarding settings
#806 [22:30] <Wug> ;check ZrRock
#807 [22:30] <WugBot> host-198-174-230-24.midco.net:25565 seems to host a minecraft server: A Minecraft Server (3/20)
#808 [22:30] <Wug> looks like it works now
#809 [22:30] <ZrRock> the people online are through hamachi
#810 [22:30] <ZrRock> externally still not working
#811 [22:30] <Wug> it should be working now
#812 [22:31] <ZrRock> wait
#813 [22:31] <ZrRock> hmm
#814 [22:31] <ZrRock> weird
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#821 [22:57] <XO> Wug: do you use the same login for the server and your client?
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#823 [22:58] <mods> hello
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#825 [23:09] <Wug> XO: you mean here and my minecraft account?
#826 [23:10] <Wug> what kind of suspicious question is that >.>
#827 [23:10] <Wug> to answer you, I have more usernames and passwords than I care to think about
#828 [23:11] <XO> hrmm umm all i'm trying to figure out is what is the best way to run the server and still play at the same time.
#829 [23:11] <Wug> I have an alt
#830 [23:11] <Wug> I use my main for admining servers and my alt for playing
#831 [23:11] <XO> So then that means i'll need two memberships then?
#832 [23:12] <XO> one for the server and one just to play
#833 [23:13] <Wug> you can just use the same account
#834 [23:13] <Wug> just be careful what servers you play on
#835 [23:13] <XO> hrmm careful?
#836 [23:13] <Wug> if possible, restrict access by your account to only your host
#837 [23:14] <Wug> or, use the console for everything and don't use in-game oppery
#838 [23:14] <XO> I wanted this to be a public minecradt server
#839 [23:14] <XO> minecraft*
#840 [23:14] <Wug> just use the same account
#841 [23:14] <Wug> but be careful about logging onto other servers with it
#842 [23:15] <XO> What will happen?
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#844 [23:25] <Wug> there is an exploit that lets people take over the account of people who join their servers
#845 [23:26] <Wug> it requires special software to exploit but its probably better not to take the risk
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#847 [23:36] <Omega_Guardian> hope Jeb fixes that security hole. Thats severe problem
#848 [23:36] <ShaRose> jeb didn't fix it
#849 [23:36] <Wug> its going to probably be grum
#850 [23:37] <ShaRose> Wug you guys already DID fix it :|
#851 [23:37] <Wug> hes probably sleeping or I'd bother him
#852 [23:37] <Omega_Guardian> ah. I dunno anyone except that Jeb's the main dude now
#853 [23:37] <ShaRose> it just needs to be merged
#854 [23:37] <Wug> ShaRose: I believe thats what he's been working on
#855 [23:37] <ShaRose> no he said a while ago he got it working
#856 [23:38] <ShaRose> atm he's working at preformance + making the applet suck less
#857 [23:38] <Omega_Guardian> so if I read it right, any random person could log onto a server thats nasty and bam there goes the account info to the server operator?
#858 [23:38] <Wug> Omega_Guardian: not quite
#859 [23:38] <ShaRose> Omega_Guardian sort of
#860 [23:38] <ShaRose> the issue is that they can log the session ID, which remains valid until the person logs in again (and gets a new session ID)
#861 [23:39] <Wug> its more like "server admin logs into rogue server, and bam rogue operator has one time access
#862 [23:39] <Wug> ShaRose: no, its not the session id
#863 [23:39] <Wug> the session id is never sent to smp servers
#864 [23:39] <ShaRose> right right
#865 [23:39] <ShaRose> I keep forgetting that
#866 [23:40] <Omega_Guardian> ah ok. Long as someone can't go and perma-steal an account
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#870 [23:49] <Tough_Nuts> When you setup a server, and set it for online. Can only paying players join ?
#871 [23:51] <Wug> yes
#872 [23:52] <Tough_Nuts> It tells me that a private server isnt safe ? If its offline whats the issue ?
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#874 [23:53] <GreyVulpine> Anybody can join, even players that have cracked clients can join with any name, including yours
#875 [23:53] <Tough_Nuts> Wouldnt using the whitlist stop that ?
#876 [23:53] <GreyVulpine> If you opped yourself, a person can just hop onto your server, with your name, and have full op powers
#877 [23:53] <GreyVulpine> Nope, since it lets in the person with the name.
#878 [23:53] <GreyVulpine> It doesn't authenticate the username to see if it's legit
#879 [23:53] <GreyVulpine> That's the responsibility of online-mode
#880 [23:53] <Tough_Nuts> and no way to lock it down using an IP ?
#881 [23:54] <GreyVulpine> Also nope.
#882 [23:54] <Tough_Nuts> wow.. ok.. i am seeing the problem.. lol
#883 [23:54] <Wug> use online mode
#884 [23:54] <Tough_Nuts> but online mode means that only people who buy it, can play it ? fun fun..
#885 [23:54] <GreyVulpine> Right.
#886 [23:54] <Tough_Nuts> i see..
#887 [23:55] <Tough_Nuts> neat marketing.. :)
#888 [23:55] <Tough_Nuts> i like it..
#889 [23:56] <Tough_Nuts> If i purchase the game, and then logon to my server but my 'free' name isnt available. do i lose all my buildings ?
#890 [23:57] <Tough_Nuts> I hope I asked that question in a way that made sense..