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#2 [00:03] <SinZ> DiskDaemon: can you look at my proposed PC Specs, and give me feedback? http://pastebin.com/6t1MzyEe
#3 [00:03] <Wug> SinZ: eeeew bulldozer
#4 [00:03] <Wug> get an i5 for the same price
#5 [00:04] <DiskDaemon> Here are some to compare with: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Hardware_performance
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#7 [00:04] <SinZ> minimum ram is 256mb, that is a joke, right?
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#9 [00:06] <DiskDaemon> not at all
#10 [00:06] <DiskDaemon> People commonly find that increasing the ram results in there being a greter scope for problems to occur
#11 [00:07] <SinZ> I extremely doubt minecraft is playable with 256mb ram
#12 [00:07] <SinZ> Wug: what do you have agenst the bulldozer series?
#13 [00:08] <DiskDaemon> I've been playing it for the past 3 days in as much - currently 187MB of ram us allocated to my Minecraft
#14 [00:08] <Wug> SinZ: I've gotten it running on less than minimum specs
#15 [00:08] <SinZ> running != playable
#16 [00:08] <Wug> DiskDaemon: how much does the task manager say its using
#17 [00:08] <Wug> java lies
#18 [00:09] <DiskDaemon> ^
#19 [00:09] <Wug> :mclol
#20 [00:09] <WugBot> mclol: http://wug.me/minecraft/mclol.png
#21 [00:09] <DiskDaemon> I've had a hell of a time finding chickens, but that's not due to memory usage. I finally found some on the other side of a rain forest, in a village
#22 [00:09] <Wug> I would never actually try to play it on that
#23 [00:09] <puffrfish> <3 wug I love your domain
#24 [00:09] <DiskDaemon> Then dragged them back with wheat, back to my farm :)
#25 [00:10] <Wug> but I did make it run once
#26 [00:10] <DiskDaemon> It's been playing well, at over 100 frames per second
#27 [00:10] <Wug> SinZ: anyway. look up benchmarks
#28 [00:11] <SinZ> 1.7.3
#29 [00:11] <SinZ> minecraft uses more resources now
#30 [00:11] <Wug> keep in mind that minecraft, while gpu limited normally, does rely very heavily on single threaded performance
#31 [00:12] <SinZ> which socket is the i5?
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#33 [00:12] <Wug> 1156 for first gen, 1155 for second
#34 [00:12] <Wug> I think
#35 [00:12] <Wug> check wikipedia
#36 [00:13] <SinZ> intel has too many socket types =S
#37 [00:14] * Wug is now running minecraft on that machine over x forwarding with ssh
#37 [00:14] <Wug> yeah I cant get in game anymore
#38 [00:14] <Wug> opengl reqs have changes
#39 [00:14] <Wug> d
#40 [00:15] <SinZ> neat, there is a 3rd gen i5
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#42 [00:23] <SinZ> Wug: would you go nvidia, or AMD/ATI
#43 [00:24] <SinZ> (for graphics cards)
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#46 [00:50] <Wug> i like dongs :3
#47 [00:50] <Wug> that was collin
#48 [00:50] <Wug> please disregard
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#50 [00:53] <GreyVulpine> ...
#51 [00:54] <Wug> you'd think I of all people wouldnt leave my laptop unattended for more than 12 milliseconds
#52 [00:54] <Wug> apparently I have not yet learned my lesson
#53 [00:55] <Wug> SinZ: historically I'd go with nvidia
#54 [00:55] <Wug> but the 7970 is bitchin
#55 [00:57] <SinZ> max resolution =0
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#57 [01:05] <Siu> hello??
#58 [01:05] <Wug> Siu: hello
#59 [01:05] <Siu> does anybody know a channel for modding????
#60 [01:06] <Wug> are you looking for something specific
#61 [01:06] <Siu> like creating mods
#62 [01:07] <Wug> do you have a suggestion or a request?
#63 [01:07] <Siu> ???
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#124 [10:52] <Prallongo> Hi, i wanted to buy a gift code for a friend of mine but it seems that i cant pay with the same bank account i used for my own account: ["This bank account is already used"] what can i do?
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#136 [11:31] <GermanProblem> Good afternoon! I do have a problem.. is anyone free?
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#138 [11:33] <GermanProblem> Sorry, a bad click. So, if anyone's free, here is the description: After reinstalling Windows 7, whenever I downloaded the minecraft.exe, running it results in an empty .minecraft ordner. Logging in is impossible, and the start screen of the login window is all gray and filled with strange signs.
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#142 [11:52] <Mox> Hi
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#144 [11:55] <Mox> Is Minecraft (Xbox 360 Edition) basicly Alpha on ported onto Xbox, but with a new crafting system?
#145 [11:58] <Calinou> MC on xbox360 is beta 1.6.6 "ported" to xbox360
#146 [11:58] <Calinou> future updates will add beta 1.7 content, such as pistons
#147 [11:59] <Calinou> xbox doesn't run java iirc
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#151 [12:27] <Mox> (sorry for my absence)
#152 [12:28] <Grim_Reaper> It's fine. We welcome you back
#153 [12:28] <Mox> So slowly XboxCraft is slowly going to become like the PC version?
#154 [12:28] * Grim_Reaper hands mox some cookies
#154 [12:28] * Mox takes one.
#154 [12:28] <Grim_Reaper> Perhaps
#155 [12:28] <Grim_Reaper> But from what I've heard
#156 [12:28] <Grim_Reaper> It's nothing like the pc yet in terms of features
#157 [12:28] <Grim_Reaper> Apparently it's laggy and has a set map size limit
#158 [12:29] <xales> hey
#159 [12:29] <xales> that sounds just like...
#160 [12:29] <xales> INDEV
#161 [12:29] <xales> >:OOOOO
#162 [12:29] <Grim_Reaper> Hehe you got +q'd :3
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#165 [12:29] <Grim_Reaper> Hehe i giggled
#166 [12:29] <Grim_Reaper> Oh wait I thought xales got kicked >_>
#167 [12:29] <Mox> Ouch
#168 [12:29] <xales> ._.
#169 [12:29] <Grim_Reaper> ;dq xales
#170 [12:30] <Mox> Well, gonna buy anyway
#171 [12:30] <Grim_Reaper> ;3
#172 [12:30] <xales> hm
#173 [12:30] <xales> whatever
#174 [12:30] <Mox> :P
#175 [12:30] * Grim_Reaper bans xales
#175 [12:31] * xales rubberbands Grim_Reaper
#175 [12:31] <Grim_Reaper> ;-;
#176 [12:31] <xales> :>
#177 [12:31] <xales> wow
#178 [12:31] <Grim_Reaper> Im telling on you
#179 [12:31] <xales> WugBot is still at it
#180 [12:31] <Grim_Reaper> ?
#181 [12:31] * xales hugs /filter
#181 [12:49] <Mox> As I understand, I can possibly have a imported skin in XboxCraft?
#182 [12:49] <Grim_Reaper> I think so
#183 [12:50] <Mox> And what are the map limits? 12395640182 (or whereever the Far Lands are)? :P
#184 [12:51] <Grim_Reaper> Not sure of the exact size
#185 [12:51] <Grim_Reaper> Though if I heard right. 1000x1000 blocks?
#186 [12:51] <Mox> Wow, that ain't a lot....
#187 [12:51] <Grim_Reaper> yeah
#188 [12:51] <Mox> I just hope the fix it in the next update...
#189 [12:51] <Grim_Reaper> Though Im sure it'll get better over time :3
#190 [12:52] <Mox> Cos Xbox is more than able to play Minecraft.... (I think)
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#192 [12:53] <Grim_Reaper> Yeah. But you forget.. notches code.. and what not
#193 [12:53] <Grim_Reaper> plus it's kinda like indev right now I guess
#194 [12:53] <Grim_Reaper> So it needs to be worked on of course :3
#195 [12:57] <Mox> So welcome old times! I started playing MineCraft when it was in Alpha
#196 [12:58] <Grim_Reaper> I played alpha. But more around.. late alpha
#197 [13:00] <Mox> same here... I think
#198 [13:00] <Mox> There were no pistons yet... And the world was preety basic
#199 [13:01] <Grim_Reaper> I was here way before pistons I know that much :p
#200 [13:01] <Grim_Reaper> I think I started playing in april or something
#201 [13:01] <Mox> My goal, which never happened until very late Beta, was to get Diamonds
#202 [13:01] <Grim_Reaper> I got diamonds after a couple of days of getting used to the the game
#203 [13:01] <Mox> Had a house in a wall, high in a mountin
#204 [13:02] <Grim_Reaper> My house came from a mountain thingy that had an opening
#205 [13:02] <Grim_Reaper> It's since been modified heavily and grown :3
#206 [13:02] <Grim_Reaper> Though making the glass for everything was a Pain >_>
#207 [13:02] <Mox> I just created a new world >_>
#208 [13:03] <Mox> And then found the beaty of Multiplayer... And annoyance of plugins
#209 [13:03] <Grim_Reaper> I remember my first creeper
#210 [13:03] <Grim_Reaper> Though I first died by a zombie .-.
#211 [13:03] * Grim_Reaper hugs Morrolan
#211 [13:03] <Mox> I think I died of a skeleton
#212 [13:03] <Mox> Hate those things
#213 [13:03] <Grim_Reaper> ^
#214 [13:04] <Grim_Reaper> I've lost count how many creepers have blown my house up and other stuff ._.
#215 [13:04] <Mox> But lol, my first shelter: a dirt tower
#216 [13:04] <Grim_Reaper> Mine was a hole in the ground
#217 [13:04] * Morrolan hugs Grim_Reaper
#217 [13:04] <Grim_Reaper> :3
#218 [13:04] <Mox> I just digged like a lot of dirt, and build a house/tower
#219 [13:04] <Grim_Reaper> Though I first started out playing classic
#220 [13:05] <Mox> I think you know what I mean
#221 [13:05] <Grim_Reaper> mhm
#222 [13:09] <Mox> Same here, bud
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#224 [13:11] <Mox> Didn't like it so much though
#225 [13:11] <Grim_Reaper> :p
#226 [13:11] <Mox> Played for a few months though
#227 [13:11] <Mox> I then borrowed my brother's copy.
#228 [13:12] <Mox> I officially owned it in the very early beta, I think?
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#235 [13:14] <Mox> Hi?
#236 [13:14] <Mox> Damn...
#237 [13:23] <sugoi> Mox: ?
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#250 [14:29] <Capnncrunch> hello
#251 [14:30] <Capnncrunch> I just bought Minecraft, and I can't seem to start playing the game. It says 'Can't connect to minecraft.net'
#252 [14:31] <Capnncrunch> When I try playing in browser, it says 'Error. Click for Details.'
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#254 [14:34] <AlmtyBob> Are there any details?
#255 [14:36] <Capnncrunch> It says ClassNotFoundException. Then underneath it states 'net.minecraft.Launcher'
#256 [14:37] <AlmtyBob> does it give you the option to play offline in the downloaded version?
#257 [14:37] <Capnncrunch> No, which I do not understand
#258 [14:38] <AlmtyBob> oh, if it's your initial download I think it needs to download all the files from minecraft.net
#259 [14:38] <AlmtyBob> are you firewalled?
#260 [14:39] <Capnncrunch> I am.
#261 [14:39] <Capnncrunch> I've never played before. Found out about the game through a friend.
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#263 [14:43] <AlmtyBob> if you go to %appdata% in Windows Explorer do you see a .minecraft folder?
#264 [14:44] <Capnncrunch> %appdata%?
#265 [14:44] <AlmtyBob> yah, just open windows explorer and in the address bar type %appdata%
#266 [14:44] <AlmtyBob> with the %'s and everything
#267 [14:45] <Capnncrunch> it just goes to a search engine
#268 [14:45] <AlmtyBob> shouldn't, even without minecraft
#269 [14:45] <AlmtyBob> what OS?
#270 [14:45] <AlmtyBob> Win7?
#271 [14:46] <Capnncrunch> correct
#272 [14:47] <AlmtyBob> you can also trying clicking start and then typing %appdata%
#273 [14:47] <AlmtyBob> should take you to C:\Users\yourusername\Appdata\roaming
#274 [14:47] <Capnncrunch> .minecraft is there
#275 [14:48] <Capnncrunch> but nothing is in the folder
#276 [14:48] <AlmtyBob> ah
#277 [14:48] <AlmtyBob> sounds like you're having firewall issues
#278 [14:48] <AlmtyBob> I did a quick google but I have no idea what port your need to forward to allow it to download from minecraft.net
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#280 [14:49] <AlmtyBob> is it your home PC where you can disable the firewall or portforward anything in the first place?
#281 [14:49] <Morrolan> No specific port, you just need to allow it to communicate through your software firewall.
#282 [14:49] <AlmtyBob> ah
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#284 [14:49] <AlmtyBob> makes sense I suppose since it's an outgoing connection
#285 [14:49] <Morrolan> Additional "features" like Avira's linkscanner might need disabling too.
#286 [14:49] <Capnncrunch> how exactly do i go about this? it is my personal laptop
#287 [14:50] <Morrolan> Depends on the security software you're using.
#288 [14:50] <Capnncrunch> windows? ha
#289 [14:50] <Morrolan> Are you using any additional security software though?
#290 [14:50] <Morrolan> Or Microsoft's Security Essentials?
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#292 [14:50] <Capnncrunch> mcafee and microsofts security essentials
#293 [14:51] <Floris> Hi
#294 [14:51] <Floris> Bye
#295 [14:51] <Morrolan> Suggest you disable Security Essentials if you've got McAfee. Apart from that, look for something like "Application/Software Firewall" in McAfee, and allow Minecraft to connect to the internet.
#296 [14:51] <Morrolan> Google might help you with that, if you can't find it.
#297 [14:54] <Capnncrunch> okay thank you. i need to restart. if i cannot figure this out, then i'll be back.
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#299 [15:17] <Isus> hi
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#301 [15:18] <Capnncrunch> I still cant get it to work :(
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#303 [15:21] <Capnncrunch> how do i edit my windows firewall? for wind7
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#309 [15:35] <sugoi> Capnncrunch: control panel -> firewall -> disable
#310 [15:35] <sugoi> :)
#311 [15:35] <At-M> Does anyone know, what to do with the "texturepack: " thingy in the server.properties?
#312 [15:35] <Mox> Capnncrunch?
#313 [15:35] <sugoi> "Windows Firewall"
#314 [15:36] <Mox> Type in the name? E.g.: texture.zip?
#315 [15:36] <Mox> Texturepack: texture.zip
#316 [15:36] <At-M> with or without the .zip?
#317 [15:36] <At-M> ah okay, thanks C:
#318 [15:36] <Mox> I actually don't know
#319 [15:36] <At-M> hm
#320 [15:36] <At-M> xD
#321 [15:36] <Mox> I'm not a Support guy
#322 [15:36] <Capnncrunch> hm
#323 [15:36] * Mox sings 'Trolololol'
#323 [15:37] <Capnncrunch> i cant play anything
#324 [15:37] <Mox> How come?
#325 [15:37] <sugoi> At-M: i have no Texturepack field in my server.properties, never seen that before
#326 [15:37] <sugoi> Capnncrunch: what happens, where, and when?
#327 [15:38] <Capnncrunch> in browser gives me some net.minecraft.Launcher error
#328 [15:38] <At-M> well, i know its not supported here but its the newest snapshot ^^
#329 [15:38] <Mox> Are updates for XboxCraft coming SoomTM?
#330 [15:38] <At-M> @mox yay it seems to work because he tries to d/l the txtpack
#331 [15:38] <Capnncrunch> and i cant use the stand-alone version either
#332 [15:38] <Mox> Lol? So my blind-folded advice worked?
#333 [15:38] <sugoi> Mox: is that minecraft for xbox? we only work with pc vanillas here
#334 [15:38] <Mox> Oh, ok then
#335 [15:38] <sugoi> Capnncrunch: can you pastebin all the error info you get?
#336 [15:39] <sugoi> Capnncrunch: do you have java?
#337 [15:39] <Mox> Thc
#338 [15:39] <Mox> *thx
#339 [15:39] <sugoi> At-M: that's cool :)
#340 [15:39] <Capnncrunch> Java Plug-in 10.4.1.255
#341 [15:39] <Capnncrunch> Using JRE version 1.7.0_04-b22 Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM
#342 [15:39] <Capnncrunch> User home directory = C:\Users\user
#343 [15:39] <Capnncrunch> ----------------------------------------------------
#344 [15:39] <Capnncrunch> c: clear console window
#345 [15:39] <Capnncrunch> f: finalize objects on finalization queue
#346 [15:39] <Capnncrunch> g: garbage collect
#347 [15:39] <sugoi> Capnncrunch: PASTEBIN!
#348 [15:39] * Mox goes into the shadows until another question pops into his head
#348 [15:39] <At-M> seems like that
#349 [15:39] <sugoi> did you not read that i said pastebin?
#350 [15:39] <At-M> wtf? xD
#351 [15:39] <Capnncrunch> :(
#352 [15:39] <Capnncrunch> idek what pastebin is
#353 [15:40] <sugoi> than you ask :)
#354 [15:40] <sugoi> http://pastebin.com/
#355 [15:40] <sugoi> paste all you want there, hit submit, and then give us the url
#356 [15:40] <Mox> At-M: it's a bot that Mutes you if you type too many stuff, with the use of enter
#357 [15:40] <At-M> ah okay :D
#358 [15:40] <Capnncrunch> http://pastebin.com/5r88V6Fm
#359 [15:41] <sugoi> where does it say "launcher error" ?
#360 [15:41] <sugoi> can you pastebin that info too?
#361 [15:41] <Capnncrunch> i can screen shot it or something?
#362 [15:41] <sugoi> is it not text?
#363 [15:41] <Capnncrunch> nope
#364 [15:42] <sugoi> Capnncrunch: sure, paste your screen shot to http://imgur.com/
#365 [15:42] <sugoi> At-M: http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1204668-server-side-texture-packs/
#366 [15:42] <Mox> Sugoi: how can i become a Support guy? (e.g. You)
#367 [15:42] <sugoi> Mox: well i'm as much a support guy as you are :)
#368 [15:42] <Mox> Oh
#369 [15:42] <Mox> xD
#370 [15:42] <sugoi> this channel doesn't represent mojang officially
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#372 [15:43] <Mox> So if you're geeky enough, you just come here and help peopleout?
#373 [15:43] <Capnncrunch> http://imgur.com/jlstJ
#374 [15:43] <sugoi> i'm only voiced (+v) because i was nice to the right people at the right time, and have been helpful here, but mostly random luck
#375 [15:44] <sugoi> Mox: pretty much, i'm connected most of the time - and i work at a desk
#376 [15:44] <sugoi> so from time to time i take a break from work and see what's going on here
#377 [15:44] <Mox> Oh. Ok then
#378 [15:44] <sugoi> Capnncrunch: interesting, you get that in the browser?
#379 [15:44] <Capnncrunch> i do
#380 [15:45] <Mox> Capn: try downloading? >_>
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#382 [15:45] <sugoi> what os, is that windows 7?
#383 [15:45] <Capnncrunch> it is
#384 [15:45] <sugoi> i have little exp w/ browser play, i thought the browser used .minecraft/bin/jars directly
#385 [15:45] <Capnncrunch> i've tried download, Mox
#386 [15:45] <sugoi> so i'm surprised it's upset about the laucnher
#387 [15:45] <sugoi> but my surprise means little here
#388 [15:46] <Capnncrunch> well, i tried using the stand-alone but it didnt allow me to use that either
#389 [15:46] <sugoi> Capnncrunch: what happens when you use the launcher directly?
#390 [15:46] <sugoi> what error did you get then?
#391 [15:46] <Capnncrunch> can't connect to minecraft.net
#392 [15:46] <sugoi> well that's a very different error
#393 [15:46] <Capnncrunch> i have no files in the .minecraft folder, so i don't know how to receive those files
#394 [15:46] <sugoi> those will update when you are able to launch and login
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#396 [15:47] <sugoi> are you running anti virus?
#397 [15:47] <Capnncrunch> perhaps. i honestly don't even knw anymore athis point. i've messed with so many prograrms
#398 [15:48] <sugoi> by default, antivirus will block an app from sending outbound requests
#399 [15:49] <sugoi> this is what the launcher needs to do
#400 [15:49] <Capnncrunch> so , hw do i prevent this?
#401 [15:49] <sugoi> if you want antivirus, you will need to give `java` the exception to do that
#402 [15:49] <sugoi> for the short term, it is easier to disable all antivirus
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#404 [15:49] <sugoi> prove it works, then work backwards
#405 [15:50] <sugoi> windows defender is not a problem - you shouldn't have to modify that
#406 [15:50] <sugoi> but if you have norton, or avg, or foobar, disable those (also, hopefully you only have one AV -- >1 is never a good setup)
#407 [15:51] <Capnncrunch> i'm not quite sure what antivirus programs i have. i have mcafee security scan plus, netgear router, windows security essentials
#408 [15:51] <sugoi> mcafee is antivirus, disable that
#409 [15:53] <Mox> Question: why 1 anti virus is a bad idea?
#410 [15:53] <sugoi> >1, not 1
#411 [15:53] <Mox> Oh
#412 [15:53] <sugoi> if you have >1, they will try to eat each other
#413 [15:53] <AlmtyBob> Capnncrunch: http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1139250-cant-login-from-minecraft-launcher/
#414 [15:54] <Capnncrunch> i seem to be having difficulty turning this off :/
#415 [15:54] <Mox> I know... Attemped Norton with Avast
#416 [15:54] <AlmtyBob> 5th post, guy saying McAfee was blocking him
#417 [15:54] <AlmtyBob> yah it's mcafee
#418 [15:54] <AlmtyBob> disable and/or uninstall it
#419 [15:55] * sugoi points to uninstall, but _mehs_
#419 [15:55] <sugoi> number of antivirus apps ever used = 0
#420 [15:55] <Capnncrunch> uninstalled
#421 [15:55] <sugoi> number of infections = 0
#422 [15:55] <AlmtyBob> ditto
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#424 [15:55] <sugoi> work machine doesn't count tho :) that's enforced
#425 [15:55] <AlmtyBob> well I've been infected twice in the past 25 years or so
#426 [15:56] <AlmtyBob> but they were both no biggie, one did require a reinstall just to be safe
#427 [15:56] <Capnncrunch> uninstalling had no effect
#428 [15:56] <sugoi> AlmtyBob: not bad :) i got hit once to be honest, but that was while i was asleep and my bro-in-law (wife's brother) was dinking around on our desktop ...
#429 [15:57] <sugoi> i _found_ 25 questionable apps installed, it was a hoot
#430 [15:57] <Capnncrunch> could my netgear router be providing problems?
#431 [15:57] <sugoi> he said, "this is why i use a mac", i asked him what he did, he said, "i was talking to this girl and she wanted to share her pic, but you computer didn't have the program to view it, so i let it install"
#432 [15:58] <AlmtyBob> Capnncrunch: unlikely
#433 [15:58] <sugoi> Capnncrunch: possible, but ^ unlikely
#434 [15:58] <AlmtyBob> more likely MS security essentials and/or windows firewall
#435 [15:58] <sugoi> bc you are even asking, "no"
#436 [15:58] <Capnncrunch> haha. okay
#437 [15:58] <sugoi> uninstalled? do you need to reboot?
#438 [15:58] <sugoi> you can try to disable your firewall, i suppose mcafee could have jacked that
#439 [15:59] <sugoi> AlmtyBob: like my story? ^ :)
#440 [15:59] <Capnncrunch> i uninstalled mcafee.
#441 [15:59] <AlmtyBob> yah, I'm always afraid when my gf uses my PC
#442 [15:59] <AlmtyBob> that is funny about the girl though
#443 [15:59] <Mox> Shouldn't the firewall try to disable itself, when running a new app?
#444 [15:59] <AlmtyBob> it should allow outbound connections period
#445 [16:00] <AlmtyBob> unless it's a strict firewall
#446 [16:00] <sugoi> Mox: yes - but who knows what mcafee did
#447 [16:00] <Mox> Tru dat
#448 [16:00] <sugoi> i never had an issue
#449 [16:00] <Mox> And I am a Windows XP maniac, so it may be different
#450 [16:00] <Capnncrunch> i will reboot and come back
#451 [16:01] * Mox goes random and sing 'Diggy Diggy Hole'.
#451 [16:01] <Mox> *sings
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#453 [16:03] <Capnncrunch> still nothing :/
#454 [16:04] <sugoi> and firewall is disabled?
#455 [16:04] <At-M> thanks mox :3 (was afk for some minutes)
#456 [16:05] <Mox> Cool, At-M
#457 [16:06] <Mox> Capn, try restarting your router/modem?
#458 [16:06] <Capnncrunch> firewall is off
#459 [16:06] <Capnncrunch> still nothing
#460 [16:07] <Capnncrunch> ill try restarting it
#461 [16:07] <sugoi> you run the laucnher and you see what?
#462 [16:07] <sugoi> can you pastebin that?
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#464 [16:09] <Capnn> what do you want me to pastebin??
#465 [16:09] <sugoi> what happens when you run the laucnher
#466 [16:09] <sugoi> btw
#467 [16:09] <sugoi> has this ever worked for you?
#468 [16:09] <Capnn> no
#469 [16:10] <Capnn> i just bought the game today
#470 [16:10] <sugoi> and i assume you downloaded the launcher from: http://www.minecraft.net/download
#471 [16:10] <Capnn> correct
#472 [16:10] <Mox> Erm... Try installing Java? :P
#473 [16:10] <sugoi> well, he has 7, i was going to suggest downgrading to 6
#474 [16:10] <sugoi> but i'm curious first what he sees when he runs the launcher
#475 [16:11] <Mox> 7 will work, used it before
#476 [16:11] <Capnn> http://pastebin.com/wxaX3Qwa
#477 [16:11] <sugoi> does'nt work for everyone
#478 [16:11] <Capnn> that is on the news feed
#479 [16:11] <sugoi> interesting
#480 [16:11] <sugoi> it's not a timeout
#481 [16:11] <sugoi> uninstall java
#482 [16:11] <Mox> I sometimes have this glitch
#483 [16:12] <Mox> But then I either go onto the browser, or go 'Play Offline'.
#484 [16:12] <Mox> No idea what to do here.
#485 [16:12] <At-M> just keep trying
#486 [16:12] <At-M> sometimes you need to wait for about 30mins
#487 [16:12] <Mox> Capnn: have you restarted the router/modem?
#488 [16:12] <At-M> its just a temp. bug
#489 [16:13] <Capnn> i have
#490 [16:13] <At-M> btw, does anyone know, how to include a texturepack inside the server.properties? do i need to put it in the same folder or what
#491 [16:13] <Capnn> uninstalled java
#492 [16:15] <sugoi> Capnn: uninstall java, then install java from here:http://download.oracle.com/otn-pub/java/jdk/6u32-b05/jre-6u32-windows-x64.exe?AuthParam=1336680996_d8bc4be52d8d92457503f8c34d5bec99
#493 [16:15] <Mox> capnn?
#494 [16:15] <sugoi> you may have to accept their licence first
#495 [16:15] <Capnn> okay
#496 [16:15] <sugoi> Capnn: are you on 64bit windows?
#497 [16:15] <Capnn> yeah
#498 [16:15] <Capnn> 64bit
#499 [16:15] <sugoi> that links for was for 64
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#501 [16:17] <sugoi> bbl
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#503 [16:17] <Mox1> Did Capnn go restart his router?
#504 [16:17] <Capnn> yes.
#505 [16:18] <Mox1> Oh
#506 [16:18] <Capnn> heyy! it worked
#507 [16:18] <Mox1> Lol, simple IP error xD
#508 [16:18] <Mox1> Well, there you go
#509 [16:19] <Mox1> Happy mining!
#510 [16:21] <Capnn> :)
#511 [16:22] <Capnn> now to eet. see ya later guys. thanks a lot
#512 [16:23] <Mox1> Wow, I forgot to mention has to reinstall the AV and activate his Firewall >_>
#513 [16:31] <sugoi> av is bloatware, and firewall is meaningless behind nat
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#516 [16:34] <At-M> sorry to spam you, but
#517 [16:35] <At-M> Does anyone know, what to do with the "texturepack: " thingy in the server.properties? when im hosting the pack on another server, how to link to it? and how is it when im hosting it on the same?
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#519 [16:37] <sugoi> At-M: i don't know, but i would look for a texturepack folder (autogen'd) in my server folder
#520 [16:37] <sugoi> and put something thre
#521 [16:37] <sugoi> if nothing, put it at the server's root dir (i.e. minecraft server)
#522 [16:37] <sugoi> then just test it
#523 [16:37] <Mox1> And I would do nothing basicly I'm preety convinced texture packs are client-side and not server-side...
#524 [16:38] <At-M> there is a autogenerated thingy, but just when im playing on singleplayer, not when i uploaded it at a server and start it from there
#525 [16:38] <sugoi> Mox1: he has a snapshot, sounds like a new feature
#526 [16:38] <sugoi> At-M: ok, then try the server's dir, and test it
#527 [16:38] <sugoi> just try things and google :)
#528 [16:38] <At-M> well, its introduced with 12w18a, i got 12w19a now / sorry for bugging you with snapshop ideas but well.. i need help xD
#529 [16:38] <sugoi> apparently no one here yet and exp w/ that
#530 [16:38] <Mox1> Aren't snapshots, Work-In-Progress shtuff? Just like Bonus Chests?
#531 [16:38] <sugoi> At-M: nota problem
#532 [16:39] <At-M> yep, you can find them here: http://www.mojang.com/
#533 [16:40] <At-M> singleplayer is now used on a server
#534 [16:40] <At-M> kinda awesome
#535 [16:40] <Mox1> Wait, do you have to download a special version or smth?
#536 [16:40] <At-M> so you start singleplayer, and theres a server running in the background, when you know the ip you can share it with your friends and play together
#537 [16:41] <At-M> yea, that .zip which is included in the newest post
#538 [16:41] <At-M> you just head over to your %appdata%/.minecraft/bin
#539 [16:41] <At-M> and backup the minecraft.jar
#540 [16:41] <At-M> and copy the new one in
#541 [16:41] <sugoi> At-M: did you read this: http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1204668-server-side-texture-packs/
#542 [16:41] <At-M> and start it normally
#543 [16:41] <At-M> yea, but it didnt really help because theres no example :x
#544 [16:42] <Mox1> Well, this stuff aren't official yet, so not a lot of people use it... They're just for Testers
#545 [16:42] <Mox1> *isn't
#546 [16:42] <sugoi> At-M: i read a few, sounds like ppl are using url's in the texturepack line
#547 [16:43] <sugoi> sounds like the feature is not for servers to upload to clients
#548 [16:43] <At-M> but because I'm serverowner, i need to update my stuff faster, and because we're going to do a new map its yea. useful :D
#549 [16:43] <At-M> hm
#550 [16:43] * sugoi laughs at ppl with crappy upload speeds
#550 [16:43] <At-M> xD
#551 [16:43] * sugoi has 35mb/up
#551 [16:43] <At-M> fFF
#552 [16:43] <sugoi> anywho, upload your texture to, e.g., dropbox
#553 [16:43] <sugoi> get a public url for it, and put that in your texturepack line
#554 [16:43] <At-M> hm
#555 [16:44] <Mox1> Oh, is this feature to prevent texture packs e.g. StrongerCraft?
#556 [16:45] <sugoi> prevent?
#557 [16:45] <Mox1> Yeah, like override
#558 [16:45] <At-M> its like you get a popup when you join the game
#559 [16:45] <Mox1> Cos I always thought texture packs are client side....
#560 [16:45] <sugoi> At-M: another option is run apache also, then the link is to yourself anyways
#561 [16:45] <At-M> "this server recommends a texturepack, would you like to download it?"
#562 [16:45] <Mox1> Oh...
#563 [16:45] <sugoi> Mox1: until this snapshot, yes
#564 [16:45] <At-M> < accept > <decline >
#565 [16:45] <At-M> c:
#566 [16:46] <sugoi> Mox1: i don't understand your "strongercraft" argument
#567 [16:46] <Mox1> Strongercraft is a XRay Texture Pack
#568 [16:46] <sugoi> is strongercraft a ..
#569 [16:46] * sugoi was about to type cheat
#569 [16:46] <Mox1> Not neccerarily
#570 [16:46] <sugoi> Mox1: i suppose they could extend the feature to that, i.e. force update
#571 [16:46] <At-M> xray is kinda. shit. :D
#572 [16:46] <Mox1> It's a game exploit
#573 [16:46] <At-M> yea agreed
#574 [16:46] <sugoi> but, honestly, it'd be easy to hack
#575 [16:47] <Mox1> Tru dat
#576 [16:47] <At-M> but my problem is
#577 [16:47] <At-M> i seem to make everything right
#578 [16:47] <At-M> but it says:
#579 [16:47] <At-M> Downloading Texturepack
#580 [16:47] <At-M> Making Request... 0%
#581 [16:47] <Mox1> And gets stuck?
#582 [16:47] <At-M> yep
#583 [16:48] <Mox1> And you're using DosBox?
#584 [16:48] <Mox1> *DropBox
#585 [16:48] <At-M> well its on a server, hosted by nitrado.de [sorry for advertise] // no, i host the txtpack on the website of my server
#586 [16:49] <At-M> do you think i need to port forward 25565 on my pc?
#587 [16:49] <Mox1> So it's not technically on you computer?
#588 [16:49] <At-M> yep
#589 [16:49] <Mox1> Maybe the website is blocking you with the 'Not allowed' or something like that
#590 [16:51] <Mox1> Wait... It gets stuck at Making Request?
#591 [16:51] <At-M> yep
#592 [16:51] <Mox1> On 0%?
#593 [16:51] <At-M> yep
#594 [16:51] <Mox1> Maybe it's you computer's/connection fault
#595 [16:52] <Mox1> Cos that suggests that it doesn't even make the request for the texpack
#596 [16:52] <Boreeas> Two things I can think of: A local router/firewall blocking the request, or the server not responding for some reason.
#597 [16:52] <At-M> strange, the port is open :x
#598 [16:53] <Mox1> Try restarting the router.
#599 [16:56] <At-M> i think im trying it out again tomorrow ;x need to go to bed now [22:55 here] online again in about 16 hours xD
#600 [16:56] <At-M> see you guys, and thanks for the help (:
#601 [16:57] <Mox1> Sucks to be european :P
#602 [16:58] * Mox1 talk while himself living in Britain.
#602 [16:58] <Mox1> see ya tmrz
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#605 [17:00] <At-M> yep. german to be precise. xD
#606 [17:00] <Nathan2055> Howdy, a friend of mine will join up in a momment.
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#608 [17:00] <Nathan2055> He's having trouble downloading MC.
#609 [17:01] <Mox1> He bought the game, and is logged in while trying to download it?
#610 [17:02] <Nathan2055> He bought the game, paid for it, and it says he has a free account.
#611 [17:02] <Mox1> Is he use the same account?
#612 [17:02] <Mox1> *using
#613 [17:02] <Nathan2055> Yeah.
#614 [17:03] <Mox1> Has the money went off his account?
#615 [17:03] <Nathan2055> I'm asking him know.
#616 [17:03] <Mox1> Cool, I'll wait.
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#618 [17:04] <superkabii> Nathan2055, what's his username?
#619 [17:04] <Nathan2055> !paid Tizzio
#620 [17:04] <Mox1> !paid Moks_Pokemon
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#622 [17:06] <Mox1> I suggest making him check his account, if the money is gone, then contact Customer Support.
#623 [17:07] <Nathan2055> Do you want me to get hime to join up to #minecrafthelp?
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#625 [17:07] <Mox1> Might as well
#626 [17:09] <Nathan2055> Wait a sec.
#627 [17:11] <Mox1> Lol?
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#629 [17:16] <Mox1> !paid Herobrine
#630 [17:17] <Mox1> 8-O
#631 [17:17] <Mox1> He's real!
#632 [17:17] <andrewxios> !paid Heroine
#633 [17:17] <andrewxios> damn xD
#634 [17:17] <Mox1> !paid Notch
#635 [17:17] * AuBot kicked Mox1 from #minecrafthelp (Reason: ox1 :Notch has paid for Minecraft!)
#636 [17:17] <AmberK> !paid AmberK
#637 [17:18] * AmberK goes and kills whoever registered AmberK
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#638 [17:18] <Mox1> Lol
#639 [17:18] <Ryuumaru> !paid RyuuAinaki
#640 [17:18] <Ryuumaru> !paid HagurumaToss
#641 [17:18] <andrewxios> dont overdo it, inb4 banhammer xD
#642 [17:18] <Mox1> You do not go !paid notch >_>
#643 [17:18] <AmberK> ohgod
#644 [17:19] <Mox1> !paid RandomPerson
#645 [17:19] <Mox1> Lol
#646 [17:19] <Mox1> !paid Everyone
#647 [17:19] <Ryuumaru> just checking me and my friend's account's status
#648 [17:20] <Mox1> Lol, so there are pirates out there, playing pirated Minecraft
#649 [17:20] <andrewxios> besides its illegal it must suck to always download cracked files for each version xD
#650 [17:20] <superkabii> ;haspaid Notch
#651 [17:20] <WugBot> Notch has paid for minecraft.
#652 [17:21] <Mox1> ;haspaid manvsman
#653 [17:21] <WugBot> manvsman has paid for minecraft.
#654 [17:21] <Mox1> Wair... What?
#655 [17:22] <Ryuumaru> there always are pirates out there... and actually, there is a working .jar out there that can get all the updates at the same time as the normal client, but it only allows singleplayer and offline servers
#656 [17:22] <Mox1> ;haspaid Everyone
#657 [17:22] <WugBot> Everyone has NOT paid for minecraft.
#658 [17:22] <andrewxios> i find cracked versions dirty and unsexy xD
#659 [17:23] <bikcmp> ;haspaid bikcmp
#660 [17:23] <WugBot> bikcmp has NOT paid for minecraft.
#661 [17:23] * bikcmp <.<
#661 [17:23] <bikcmp> ;haspaid yourmom
#662 [17:23] <WugBot> yourmom has NOT paid for minecraft.
#663 [17:23] <bikcmp> ;haspaid y
#664 [17:23] <WugBot> y has NOT paid for minecraft.
#665 [17:23] <bikcmp> ;haspaid a
#666 [17:23] <WugBot> a has NOT paid for minecraft.
#667 [17:23] <bikcmp> dang
#668 [17:23] <bikcmp> lol
#669 [17:24] <superkabii> Ryuumaru, the Minecraft download servers are public, there really isn't any reason a person couldn't get the latest updates
#670 [17:24] <Mox1> Now I want to waste money on buying another Minecraft with a username Noone
#671 [17:24] <bikcmp> lol
#672 [17:24] <bikcmp> pay me instead, Mox1
#673 [17:24] <Mox1> And anyway, there is a jar that allows to play on a multi as well
#674 [17:25] <Mox> My friend is using it >_>
#675 [17:25] <Mox> Says he can't be bothered to buy
#676 [17:25] <Mox> But plays it most of his time
#677 [17:25] <superkabii> http://s3.amazonaws.com/MinecraftDownload/minecraft.jar
#678 [17:25] <superkabii> also
#679 [17:26] <superkabii> nothing restricting a client from playing multiplayer, as long as the server is offline-mode
#680 [17:27] <Mox> He's propably using that
#681 [17:27] <Mox> I don't care really, I have my authentic version, of both MineCraft and XboxCraft
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#685 [17:41] <Poolgate> Good evening. Can you help me with plugin JOBS. I want to organize Jobs commands with signs. That means each Gamer can join/left/stat a job with one click.
#686 [17:41] <Poolgate> Is that possible ?
#687 [17:43] <Poolgate> I did not find help in google, that is the reason to came to you
#688 [17:44] <DiskDaemon> I would think that the forum dedicated to the job plugin might be the best place to get inof on such things
#689 [17:44] <Mox> My thought exactly
#690 [17:46] <Poolgate> sorry for my question, but which Forum means you ?
#691 [17:47] <DiskDaemon> Perhaps this one? http://forums.bukkit.org/threads/econ-jobs-the-job-plugin-for-minecraft-1-2-3-r0-2.23429/
#692 [17:48] <Boreeas> Alternatively, the IRC channel might give you help faster, if they have one and it is reasonably populated.
#693 [17:49] <Boreeas> If they have one, it should be mentioned on their dev.bukkit site and/or the forum thread
#694 [17:49] <Poolgate> Yes I know the Page, but isn't explained the command list on signs, maybe its doesn't work
#695 [17:50] <DiskDaemon> Well the forum is where you can post your question, and people intimatly involved with the forum will be able to respond
#696 [17:50] <Poolgate> I read following: "Flametornado has stopped developing the Jobs plugin and has asked me to take over development."
#697 [17:50] <Poolgate> ok
#698 [17:51] <Boreeas> Poolgate: Follow the dev.bukkit link in the post, it leads to the dev.bukkit page. Click "pages" on the top, it will give you a list of help topics.
#699 [17:54] <Poolgate> Dear Boreeas, Thanks a lot I am reading
#700 [17:55] <Boreeas> No problem.
#701 [18:00] <Poolgate> I checked the Page I saw only Server problems or command problems, But to organize Jobs commands with signs, so that player can join/leave get ststs with one click on the plate. I did not dinthem. I want to avoid that Player on my server did not investigate time to click every time /jobs join Playername Jobname. Thanks a lot for your help and time
#702 [18:01] <DiskDaemon> Anything that is not dealt with from the Pages section, you can ask specifically in the forum itself.
#703 [18:01] <Poolgate> Yes I think I will open one new thread, because the old is closed
#704 [18:03] <DiskDaemon> you nay also wish to check the Tickets section, to see if your issue is already known about and being worked on
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#706 [18:05] <Poolgate> Yes of course
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#713 [18:50] <Pinkishu> hi there
#714 [18:50] <Pinkishu> wondering how i can set the netwrok/network adapter MC uses?
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#716 [18:53] <sugoi> Pinkishu: can you explain?
#717 [18:53] <sugoi> oh
#718 [18:54] <sugoi> you mean, which of the N adapters a client/server has, use i
#719 [18:54] <sugoi> ?
#720 [18:54] <sugoi> good question, i bet mc doesn't have an interface for that - i bet it just relies on java to open a connection
#721 [18:54] <sugoi> ergo: can you tell java which adapter to use?
#722 [18:57] <Pinkishu> not sure :D just trying to make MC use openvpn
#723 [18:58] <DiskDaemon> sounds intersting - what are you wanting to use openvpn for?
#724 [18:58] <Pinkishu> to get around above.net which likes dropping my packets :)
#725 [18:59] <Pinkishu> yet i'dl ike to keep my browser and stuff outside vpn
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#728 [19:09] <Pinkishu> hm
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#739 [19:58] <Giggidy> hii
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#741 [19:59] <Petee> heyy
#742 [19:59] <Giggidy> Pete
#743 [19:59] <Giggidy> this might help us get a good server
#744 [19:59] <Petee> heyy becks
#745 [19:59] <Giggidy> anyone know any good servers?
#746 [20:00] <Petee> servers where you can play minecraft instead of looking around other peoples creations :P
#747 [20:10] <DiskDaemon> Ther's a whole range over at http://minecraftservers.net/
#748 [20:10] <Giggidy> cheers dude
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#751 [20:19] <Giggidy> hmm
#752 [20:20] <Giggidy> diskdaemon they are all peoples creations
#753 [20:20] <Giggidy> mostly
#754 [20:23] <DiskDaemon> Are you wanting to make your own creations on someone elses server?
#755 [20:24] <Giggidy> yeah well basicly i have just got the game and my friend pete is going to show me how to play
#756 [20:24] <Giggidy> :0
#757 [20:24] <Giggidy> :)
#758 [20:24] <Petee> yeah disk
#759 [20:25] <Petee> why was giggidy muted?
#760 [20:25] <sammaelt> because he flooded
#761 [20:25] <Petee> flooded :S
#762 [20:25] <sammaelt> well technically speaking
#763 [20:25] <Giggidy> SHEE
#764 [20:25] <sammaelt> it was only for 15 seconds no worries :]
#765 [20:26] <Petee> LOL
#766 [20:26] <Petee> its funny how people asume all gamers are men :P
#767 [20:26] <sammaelt> she? oh sorry :]
#768 [20:26] <sammaelt> should i have say it? hehe
#769 [20:26] <Giggidy> lol yeah i am a she :) lmao yes i am an it! :D
#770 [20:27] <sammaelt> i have gamer girls friends, itsz coolo
#771 [20:27] <sammaelt> cool*
#772 [20:27] <sammaelt> welcome to the game
#773 [20:27] <Petee> becki i could create my own server if i knew how to log into my internet router but i dont know the username or password :S haha
#774 [20:28] <Giggidy> pete tell me how to do it tomorrow i know the passwords for my router
#775 [20:28] <Giggidy> and thankyou sammaelt do you have fun on it?
#776 [20:28] <Petee> i know the password for my internet too but it wont seem to log in haha :S
#777 [20:28] <sammaelt> Giggidy if you need help setting up a local server feel free to ask
#778 [20:28] <sammaelt> Giggidy: im playing litteraly too much, im kinda addicted
#779 [20:29] <DiskDaemon> basically what you do is to direct incoming traffic from your router on port 25565 through to your server
#780 [20:29] <Petee> the only problem im having is logging into my router haha :/
#781 [20:29] <sammaelt> you forgot the pass? might be "admin" too
#782 [20:30] <Petee> oh i didnt think of trying admin haha thanks ill try
#783 [20:30] <sammaelt> :]
#784 [20:30] <DiskDaemon> What's the make/model of the router?
#785 [20:30] <Petee> virgin media :P
#786 [20:30] <DiskDaemon> The default for those is user:admin pass:changeme
#787 [20:31] <DiskDaemon> via http://www.routerpasswords.com/
#788 [20:31] <sammaelt> nice spot
#789 [20:31] <Petee> nice ill try it :)
#790 [20:31] <sammaelt> sometimes its just admin/admin
#791 [20:32] <DiskDaemon> sometimes it is, but virgin media routers don't have admin/admin as the default. It variesd with the manufacturer
#792 [20:32] <sammaelt> I see
#793 [20:32] <Giggidy> what about sky routers?
#794 [20:32] <DiskDaemon> What do you find about them on that web site?
#795 [20:32] <Giggidy> i cant open the web page
#796 [20:33] <sammaelt> did you try http://192.168.1.1/
#797 [20:33] <DiskDaemon> Is this a UK sky router?
#798 [20:33] <Giggidy> yeah
#799 [20:33] <sammaelt> oh you mean the link he pasted
#800 [20:34] <sammaelt> well this link works for me
#801 [20:34] <Giggidy> yeah i cant open links on here
#802 [20:34] <DiskDaemon> The default with sky routers is user:admin pass:sky
#803 [20:34] <sammaelt> just copy paste it to your browser
#804 [20:34] <DiskDaemon> From: http://www.skyuser.co.uk/forum/sky-router/772-sky-router-setup-configuration.html
#805 [20:34] <sammaelt> there you go, thanks DiskD
#806 [20:34] <Giggidy> thanks disk :) you are good at this
#807 [20:34] <DiskDaemon> Soe people need to learn how to use teh google :)
#808 [20:34] <sammaelt> :]
#809 [20:35] <Giggidy> lol
#810 [20:35] <Petee> there we go ive set a new password for my router :)
#811 [20:35] <sammaelt> cool
#812 [20:35] <DiskDaemon> What happens when the new password is forgotten?
#813 [20:35] <Petee> the password is on the back of my router i wont forget it hehe :P
#814 [20:36] <Petee> and i writ it down for back up
#815 [20:36] <sammaelt> although only people having access to your network could access your router
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#819 [20:45] <Petee> does anyone know where you download the minecraft server on the minecraft site?
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#821 [20:46] <Viking667> greets. Where do I go to get some help with minecraft prereleases, i.e. snapshots?)
#822 [20:46] <Scott> We don't support prereleases here.
#823 [20:46] <Scott> You're on your own with it as it's not stable.
#824 [20:47] <DiskDaemon> Petee: From the download link on your account profile page
#825 [20:47] <DiskDaemon> Scott: What sort of help did you have in mind with the prerelease
#826 [20:47] <Viking667> Scott: I didn't ask if you help with them HERE. I merely asked where would I _go_ to get help with them?
#827 [20:48] <Scott> You could try help.mojang.com but I don't think they provide support for them.
#828 [20:48] <Petee> disk i cant find it haha :/ my youtube stoped working so i cant even see the video tutorial for referance :P
#829 [20:48] <DiskDaemon> There is no place to go for help with the prereleases. We'll do what we can here within reason, in regard to them though
#830 [20:48] <DiskDaemon> Petee: From http://www.minecraft.net/download
#831 [20:48] <Petee> oh nevermind found it :P
#832 [20:48] <Petee> ty
#833 [20:49] <Viking667> sigh. And all I wanted to know was whether I _had_ to extract the server jar file from the zip file in addition to the client jar.
#834 [20:50] <DiskDaemon> The prerelease client runs on its own local server now, so yes.
#835 [20:50] <Viking667> hm. Bang go all the previous launchers then. Sigh.
#836 [20:50] <Viking667> I've been evaluating different versions against each other, looks like I'll have to "fiddle" the versions now.
#837 [20:51] <DiskDaemon> sounds kinky
#838 [20:51] <Viking667> i.e. wrapper the extraction of a specific version each time I want to run that version.
#839 [20:51] <Petee> byee :)
#840 [20:51] <Petee> byee :)
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#842 [20:51] <Petee> byee :)
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#845 [20:51] <DiskDaemon> There is MagicLauncher which helps you to manage the version side of things
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#847 [20:52] <Viking667> Well, the problem I can see happening is: I have to extract BOTH files correctly, otherwise I'll end up with mismatched client and servers.
#848 [20:52] <Viking667> Sorry, i didn't explain that too well.
#849 [20:53] <DiskDaemon> that is correct
#850 [20:54] <Viking667> To my knowledge (and I haven't used MagicLauncher yet), none of the CURRENT breed of launchers that I've used supports that.
#851 [20:54] <Viking667> note I did say "that I've used"
#852 [20:54] <DiskDaemon> Just keep them extracted to their own separate folder
#853 [20:54] <Dan> hey my minecraft on my tower doesnt want to work and i get paste.ssfdre38.com/11 as the error
#854 [20:54] <Viking667> ... and where do I put the saves? The mods? the screenshots?
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#856 [20:55] <DiskDaemon> In their own separate .minecraft/ folder, specific to the version that it is. For example, minecraft/1.2.5/.minecraft/...
#857 [20:55] <Viking667> Dan: are you using a 64-bit java?
#858 [20:56] <Dan> yup
#859 [20:56] <Viking667> DiskDaemon: hmm. That would at least isolate the worlds from each other.
#860 [20:56] <Viking667> ... though I could simply symlink the screenshots directory, at least.
#861 [20:57] <Viking667> I was hoping not to have to shift version selection outside of the launcher screen and into my own scripting. Sigh. I'm stuck with that now.
#862 [20:57] <DiskDaemon> The other benefit of using separate .minecraft folders is that you can set the appdata path to the folder that contains the .minecraft folder, and everything else works automatically
#863 [20:58] <Viking667> DiskDaemon: I'm not on Windows, please translate that into Linuxoid?
#864 [20:58] <DiskDaemon> you may have to educate me more than I will end up doing for you :)
#865 [20:58] <Viking667> ... because as it stands on Linux, the launcher specifically looks for $HOME/.minecraft
#866 [20:59] <Dan> Viking667, what distro?
#867 [20:59] <Viking667> DiskDaemon: ahh, so you don't play minecraft on Linux, hm?
#868 [20:59] <Viking667> Dan: Ubuntu, but literally any distribution I know of probably does the same thing.
#869 [20:59] <DiskDaemon> nope, I stick to where the people with problems are, on windows
#870 [20:59] <Viking667> lol. I like that.
#871 [20:59] <Dan> Viking667, i was asking you what distro you use cause i use Kubuntu
#872 [21:00] * Viking667 high-5's DiskDaemon
#872 [21:00] <DiskDaemon> \o
#873 [21:00] <Viking667> o/~
#874 [21:00] <Viking667> o/~
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#876 [21:01] <DiskDaemon> Does MagicLauncher work for you in Linux?
#877 [21:01] <Viking667> I have never tried it.
#878 [21:02] <DiskDaemon> Give it a go then
#879 [21:03] <Viking667> Heh. I went with SKMClauncher because I could modify the source code.
#880 [21:03] <Viking667> digiex's launcher allows me to fetch various versions, up until 12w17a, of course...but I don't use that for playing as SKMC does most stuff I want it to.
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#883 [21:14] <Dan> so yea im getting that error
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#886 [21:40] <Dan> so do you know why i get a black screen when i try and run Minecraft fro Linux and this is what im getting when i do java -jar minecraft.jar http://paste.ssfdre38.com/11
#887 [21:42] <DiskDaemon> It looks like some trouble with liblwjgl - have the minecraft launcher perform a forced update to download known good vesions of them
#888 [21:43] <Viking667> I was wondering about that one myself.
#889 [21:44] <Dan> i did that and still the same and i copied the working .minecraft folder from my laptop to my desktop and still the same thing
#890 [21:44] <DiskDaemon> which version of java is being used?
#891 [21:45] <Dan> java 7 from java.com (yes it out) openJDK 6 and openJDK7 and they all dont work
#892 [21:45] <DiskDaemon> 32 or 64?
#893 [21:45] <Dan> 64
#894 [21:45] <Viking667> That's the question I asked.
#895 [21:45] <Viking667> That "ELF32" thing has me wondering.
#896 [21:46] <Eddie> Running Java 7 gives me that ELF32 error. It seems to be related to LWJGL
#897 [21:46] <DiskDaemon> The "architecture word width mismatch" almost certainly points to one being expected, but the other being used
#898 [21:46] <Viking667> I'm thinking that too, that the lwjgl64 is meant to be being used.
#899 [21:49] <DiskDaemon> The simplest and most effective solution is to use Java 6 instead.
#900 [21:50] * Viking667 scratches his head.
#900 [21:50] <DiskDaemon> Using Minecraft with Java 7 is considered to be experimental.
#901 [21:50] <Dan> im on Linux and Java 7 is out for user release
#902 [21:50] <Viking667> Yeah. I was having an issue using Sun's java 7, I can't remember what the issue was now.
#903 [21:51] <DiskDaemon> Nevertheless, Minecraft is developed with Java 6 in mind, not 7.
#904 [21:52] <DiskDaemon> This thread might help http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/836019-linux-64bit/
#905 [21:52] <DiskDaemon> But the best solution that just works, is to use Java 6 which is what Minecraft has been developed for, and expects.
#906 [21:53] <DiskDaemon> When Mojang updates Minecraft to have a Java 7 compatible version, that is when it is considered to be safe to use Minecraft with Java 7. Not before.
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#908 [21:54] <Cruplezone> Hey GUys!
#909 [21:54] <Cruplezone> I was wondering
#910 [21:54] <Cruplezone> if you could explain
#911 [21:54] <Cruplezone> to me
#912 [21:54] <Cruplezone> Btw not advertising
#913 [21:54] <DiskDaemon> !enter
#914 [21:54] <Cruplezone> How to get more people to go onto my server
#915 [21:55] <DiskDaemon> Gah! Please don't use the Enter key for punctuation. Say what you have to say on the one line. Thanks.
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#917 [21:56] <DiskDaemon> In regards to advertising your server, I hear taht the Minecraft forums are a good place for that
#918 [21:56] <Cruplezone> Cool! Thank you
#919 [21:56] <DiskDaemon> Be sure to do it sentively to the community rules of the place though
#920 [21:57] <Cruplezone> Of course
#921 [22:00] <Cruplezone> Is there a chat room for this kind of thing?
#922 [22:00] <DiskDaemon> nope
#923 [22:01] <Cruplezone> Ah
#924 [22:01] <Dan> now for some reason i cant get the right far distance and 3D that i used to get
#925 [22:01] <Dan> nvm there it does
#926 [22:01] <Cruplezone> Its so funny on my server I have leather armour and everyone else has iron or diamond and im owver X)
#927 [22:02] <DiskDaemon> In regard to advertising here, please read rule #8.
#928 [22:02] <Viking667> Iiiiiincidentally, for 1.2.5, they seem to have changed the way they display windows and glass.
#929 [22:02] <Viking667> I patched in clear glass to terrain.png, and even though clear glass turns up in my inventory bar, it is still all speckled when I place it in world. Yet the same isn't true for 1.2.4 and earlier.
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#931 [22:17] <yogwhatup> Hello
#932 [22:18] <DiskDaemon> hi there
#933 [22:19] <yogwhatup> Hello, does anyone know how to use the map. Nothing appears to be showing up on it. I know, I am sure this is a easy question to many, but I am really having some trouble here!
#934 [22:19] <yogwhatup> By the way the last time I was on MIRC, I was in 6th grade. What a throwback!
#935 [22:20] <DiskDaemon> The map is updated when you move around with it active.
#936 [22:20] <DiskDaemon> The map is centered on where you created it. If you move too far away from where you created it, the map won't have anything that it can update on there
#937 [22:21] <DiskDaemon> See http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Map_(Item)
#938 [22:21] <yogwhatup> I have read that, but for some reason no matter how much I move around it doesn't draw anything. To give you a heads up I am on single player, explore mode (think that is what is called) and just selecting the map from the inventory
#939 [22:22] <DiskDaemon> The map is centered on where you first created it
#940 [22:23] <yogwhatup> I have walked forever and a day and still nothing. Do you have to carry it in your hands, keep it in your inv or "make one
#941 [22:23] <yogwhatup> as opposed to just selecting it
#942 [22:24] <DiskDaemon> That wiki page about the map seems to answer all of your questions thus far.
#943 [22:24] <yogwhatup> True, I have read the wiki (very informative) but the map still does not appear to be working correctly.
#944 [22:25] <DiskDaemon> How far away are you from where the map was first crafted?
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#946 [22:26] <yogwhatup> I have been walking in a straight line for 15 minutes. I have also tried flying.
#947 [22:26] <DiskDaemon> From the wiki: " Thus, when a player goes beyond the limits of the map, it is not shown on the map, and it is necessary to create another (each map corresponds to a region)."
#948 [22:29] <yogwhatup> How do you create another map? I just selected the map from the inventory screen. I never "made" one.
#949 [22:30] <DiskDaemon> craft a new map - instructions are on that wiki page
#950 [22:31] <yogwhatup> I have read the wiki page. I am continuing to read it. I dont know how to combine items
#951 [22:31] <DiskDaemon> You use a crafting bench for that
#952 [22:31] <clarjon1> ah
#953 [22:32] <clarjon1> yogwhatup: you're in Creative mode
#954 [22:32] <DiskDaemon> Creative mode? Oh dear. You'll want to start a new map in Survival mode before carrying on
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#956 [22:36] <MysteryX95> I have a question about skins
#957 [22:37] <sammaelt> yes?
#958 [22:37] <sammaelt> http://www.minershoes.com/ I love this site
#959 [22:39] <MysteryX95> I recently edited my skin and put the file back into the minecraft.jar
#960 [22:39] <MysteryX95> now I can't get past the "done loading" screen
#961 [22:39] <sammaelt> you sure you used the right size along with your textures
#962 [22:40] <sammaelt> try editing it using the link i just gave you maybe
#963 [22:40] <MysteryX95> I directly edited the file
#964 [22:40] <MysteryX95> using skinedit
#965 [22:41] <sammaelt> i only used minershoes.com yet, gave me good result
#966 [22:41] <DiskDaemon> It's confirm that the problem is caused by the skin. Does it work when you put the original skin back in?
#967 [22:41] <sammaelt> this site is really good for creating a skin
#968 [22:42] <yogwhatup> Yes, I am in creative mode. Sorry, trying to walk for a little
#969 [22:42] <yogwhatup> So, if I create a new survival mode game and come back to my creative game, the map will start working?
#970 [22:43] <sammaelt> creative might get boring fast if you're playing solo :s
#971 [22:43] <DiskDaemon> then just get a new map from your inventory and it will be centered on where you stand
#972 [22:43] <yogwhatup> I am VERY new and just trying to figure everthing out
#973 [22:43] <sammaelt> yeah, you can even create two world with the same seed, one survival and one creative
#974 [22:44] <sammaelt> there is an option to choose your seed, you can even include any words or number or both
#975 [22:44] <sammaelt> also default and flat world
#976 [22:44] <sammaelt> you can create as many world as you may need
#977 [22:45] <DiskDaemon> The wiki does seem to be best at helping poeple to figure things out, and give an idea of what's capable
#978 [22:45] <MysteryX95> do I have to use a special compiler to zip files back into a jar or will winrar work?
#979 [22:46] <yogwhatup> Ok, DEL my old "game" and started a new one using FLAT w/ structure
#980 [22:46] <sammaelt> yes well
#981 [22:46] <MysteryX95> I just tried the original jar and it worked normal
#982 [22:46] <yogwhatup> Wow, that is flat!
#983 [22:46] <sammaelt> yog you can keep the old game too :s
#984 [22:46] <sammaelt> and flat is.. well flat :D
#985 [22:46] <DiskDaemon> you'll find that Slimes generate on flat worlds, due to the ground being so low
#986 [22:46] <yogwhatup> Yep, too late. Can there be structures generated auto with flat worlds
#987 [22:47] <sammaelt> but you can spot villages easily on a flat world
#988 [22:47] <sammaelt> then you can use the same seed with a default world and go back to the same coord to find again the village in the default world
#989 [22:47] <sammaelt> sorry you might check the wiki
#990 [22:47] <sammaelt> hit F3 in game to find out your coordinates
#991 [22:48] <DiskDaemon> The wiki provides more information, and tends to be more accurate on the details of things than we can be
#992 [22:48] <yogwhatup> Yep, in flat creative mode, there are villages. Flying
#993 [22:48] <yogwhatup> Coordinates are good! Any easy way to record certain coordinates?
#994 [22:48] <sammaelt> there is the almost same village in the default world with the same seed you used, at about the same place
#995 [22:49] <DiskDaemon> screenshot perhaps?
#996 [22:49] <sammaelt> just hit f3 and look at x: y: z:
#997 [22:49] <MysteryX95> Disk
#998 [22:49] <sammaelt> for the coordinates of your actual stand, f3
#999 [22:49] <yogwhatup> Good point, I have to remember what I am working with here. I could just stop being lazy and write it down
#1000 [22:50] <sammaelt> just use the wiki and copy paste some useful part like this using notepad
#1001 [22:50] <yogwhatup> What is up with the bar graph!
#1002 [22:50] <sammaelt> the experience points at down?
#1003 [22:50] <DiskDaemon> The graph shows debugging details. YOu can use shift+F3 to not show it
#1004 [22:51] <sammaelt> oh ok this bar
#1005 [22:51] <yogwhatup> Sweet. Who wants to debug while playing!
#1006 [22:51] <DiskDaemon> F3 is the debug screen.
#1007 [22:51] <sammaelt> well the f3 is the debug screen
#1008 [22:51] <sammaelt> yeah
#1009 [22:52] <sammaelt> but its useful to find out your own coord, i use it mostly to find other players online, when i play multiplayers
#1010 [22:52] <sammaelt> or let them find me
#1011 [22:52] <sammaelt> or find villages
#1012 [22:52] <MysteryX95> I replaced the jar with the copy of the original I made just in case of issues, and Minecraft loaded fully
#1013 [22:52] <sammaelt> well, you didnt edited it right, or didnt saved it right
#1014 [22:53] <sammaelt> try using minershoes.com :s
#1015 [22:53] <MysteryX95> steps I took:
#1016 [22:53] <yogwhatup> SWEET MAMMA, has anyone punched through a WELL! YOU DIE
#1017 [22:53] <sammaelt> yog: you gotta not puch the block right ahead of your head
#1018 [22:53] <sammaelt> NOT ever
#1019 [22:53] <sammaelt> and also not the block right under yuor feet
#1020 [22:54] <yogwhatup> I fell........for a while!
#1021 [22:55] <MysteryX95> I used winrar to unzip the jar, used skinedit to open the char.png, made the changes I wanted, then used winrar again to turn all the files back into a jar
#1022 [22:55] <sammaelt> you can suffocate in a well, if you get trapped by sand or gravel, sand and gravel blocks are affected by gravity and fall
#1023 [22:55] <sammaelt> yog
#1024 [22:56] <sammaelt> and if you mine right under your feet, and theres a pit right below you, you fall. hehe
#1025 [22:56] <yogwhatup> Suffocate? I am under water all the time? This is so confusing
#1026 [22:56] <sammaelt> dont worry about the +quiet mode its because of the ".."
#1027 [22:56] <sammaelt> you can suffocate under sand
#1028 [22:57] <sammaelt> or drown in water
#1029 [22:57] <sammaelt> try hitting a sand block right above of your head while you're in a mine :)
#1030 [22:57] <yogwhatup> So, you cant use ellipsis
#1031 [22:57] <sammaelt> what do you mean
#1032 [22:57] <yogwhatup> That is some strong rules
#1033 [22:57] <yogwhatup> That is some strong rules
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#1035 [22:58] <yogwhatup> The dots, they are called ellipsis.
#1036 [22:58] <yogwhatup> I use them all the time, it is going to be difficult not to get kicked off of here :)
#1037 [22:58] <DiskDaemon> there is also a lot more going on under the surface than you see happening above. That's the Mine part of Minecraft
#1038 [22:58] <sammaelt> oh yeah, well if you copy paste two line or three its the same, its only for 15sec though :)
#1039 [22:59] <yogwhatup> There are litterally MINES in MINECRAFT you can fall into and dye in?
#1040 [22:59] <sammaelt> yes
#1041 [22:59] <sammaelt> natural pit and caverns
#1042 [22:59] <yogwhatup> Anyone know how to open doors without destroying theM>
#1043 [22:59] <sammaelt> you might find a huge cavern sometime
#1044 [23:00] <DiskDaemon> underground rifts, abandoned mineshafts, monster dungeons...
#1045 [23:00] <sammaelt> just right click them l:]
#1046 [23:00] <sammaelt> spiders dungeons
#1047 [23:00] <sammaelt> lots of stuff to fall into :D
#1048 [23:00] <sammaelt> you can make dooble doors now too
#1049 [23:00] <DiskDaemon> oh, and the occasional stronghold too
#1050 [23:01] <sammaelt> also, when you place your door, place it from the outside of your house its better
#1051 [23:01] <sammaelt> yes indeed DiskD
#1052 [23:01] <yogwhatup> Ok, everytime I try to dig down in the flat world I die!
#1053 [23:01] <sammaelt> you might meet some monster spawner too :D
#1054 [23:01] <sammaelt> you need a default world
#1055 [23:02] <DiskDaemon> You place a door with the outside of the door facing you. If you place a door while you're snding inside your house, monsters will be able to stand on the "inside" of the door, that is now on the outside of the building, and attack you.
#1056 [23:02] <DiskDaemon> To deal with that, place a door from the outside, looking in.
#1057 [23:02] <yogwhatup> So is there anyway to increase the elevation in a new world? Set the sea level "thickness"?
#1058 [23:03] <sammaelt> also it'll be a much better experience as a starter, more intense
#1059 [23:03] <DiskDaemon> Sea level is at around 64 blocks high
#1060 [23:03] <yogwhatup> s
#1061 [23:03] <sammaelt> yep Thanks DiskD yu explained the door better than me
#1062 [23:03] <yogwhatup> I want a flat world that you can dig deep into. Underground tunnels.
#1063 [23:03] <yogwhatup> This world appears to be 4 blocks thick
#1064 [23:04] <DiskDaemon> Those sort of flat worlds aren't generated
#1065 [23:04] <yogwhatup> Anywhere I dig it is 4 "dirt" blocks then one gray with strips block then blue/black and death
#1066 [23:05] <DiskDaemon> That is, the sort of world you want, a flat one with a large base in which to dig, whose ones aren't generated by the game.
#1067 [23:05] <sammaelt> well if you use flat, you can only dig on survival
#1068 [23:05] <sammaelt> and only 4 blocks deep
#1069 [23:05] <sammaelt> trust me default is muchy better, its cool to climb a mountain a put your house up there
#1070 [23:05] <sammaelt> and there s tree too
#1071 [23:05] <yogwhatup> I would love to build everything from scratch though
#1072 [23:06] <sammaelt> the lower block with strip is called bedrock, you cannot mine those
#1073 [23:06] <sammaelt> yog: well you can using wordedit but you need more experience playing first trust me
#1074 [23:07] <sammaelt> you might just find a good area and clear it, make a whole plain
#1075 [23:07] <sammaelt> desert biome is good for this
#1076 [23:07] <yogwhatup> So, there is a 3rd pty program that will help modify a world the way I would want it to be > Flat and deep?
#1077 [23:07] <sammaelt> you should build everything from scratch using mined resources
#1078 [23:08] <sammaelt> yes, but why dont you choose a flat desert area :(
#1079 [23:08] <sammaelt> come minecraft is cool work, it ll make you feel good
#1080 [23:08] <sammaelt> come on*
#1081 [23:09] <yogwhatup> Is the desert area deep?
#1082 [23:09] <sammaelt> yes very, just like all the other
#1083 [23:09] <sammaelt> just try default word
#1084 [23:09] <yogwhatup> How do I get to it?
#1085 [23:09] <sammaelt> try your own nickname as a seed or something
#1086 [23:09] <sammaelt> just create a new world
#1087 [23:09] <sammaelt> you can create as many as you want
#1088 [23:09] <DiskDaemon> each new world is different
#1089 [23:10] <sammaelt> if you dont like it just erase it and try another one
#1090 [23:10] <sammaelt> each new world is different yes Disk thanks :)
#1091 [23:10] <DiskDaemon> You can set the seed to a certain number of word or phrase though, to force things to be generated the same
#1092 [23:10] <sammaelt> :]
#1093 [23:10] <MysteryX95> ok I figured out what I was having issue with
#1094 [23:10] <yogwhatup> OK give me the seed for DEEP A$$ deserts
#1095 [23:10] <sammaelt> brb i need a cigg
#1096 [23:11] <MysteryX95> later guys
#1097 [23:11] <sammaelt> Mistery: cool later
#1098 [23:11] <sammaelt> Mistery: cool later
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#1100 [23:11] <sammaelt> yog: the deep is always the same, try any seed you like
#1101 [23:11] <sammaelt> but default world
#1102 [23:11] <sammaelt> you will mine deep trust me
#1103 [23:13] <yogwhatup> This game makes me think that there are many easy ways to exploit the characteristics
#1104 [23:14] <DiskDaemon> There are, of which many video have been created showcasing such exploits
#1105 [23:19] <DiskDaemon> Perhaps the more extreme side of Minecraft is in regard to redstone circuits http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Redstone_Circuits
#1106 [23:19] <DiskDaemon> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Tutorials/Advanced_Redstone_Circuits
#1107 [23:21] <yogwhatup> Logic gates, nice
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#1110 [23:25] <sammaelt> did you find a deserti biome around you? dont hesitate to quit this world and create a new as long as you're not happy with the world and your spawn point
#1111 [23:25] <yogwhatup2000> Good
#1112 [23:25] <yogwhatup> Ok, back in play
#1113 [23:26] <sammaelt> look at your private messages too :s
#1114 [23:26] <Thrae> http://funny-pictures-blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/meanwhile_in_japan.jpg
#1115 [23:26] <sammaelt> alright
#1116 [23:26] <yogwhatup2000> That is awsome
#1117 [23:27] <yogwhatup2000> Awesome
#1118 [23:27] <sammaelt> haha
#1119 [23:28] <yogwhatup2000> Kant spell good
#1120 [23:28] <yogwhatup2000> Plus I hit my head in the war
#1121 [23:37] <yogwhatup> Wow, there are a lot of people on here but they are not talking. Is this the norm of IRC now?
#1122 [23:37] <yogwhatup2000> I like cucumbers
#1123 [23:41] <DiskDaemon> that's the norm
#1124 [23:42] <yogwhatup> Wow, IRC has really gotten quiet! I remember when it was crazy on these channels.
#1125 [23:42] <yogwhatup2000> it was a straight up party! There were party rooms!
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#1127 [23:45] <yogwhatup> Sad
#1128 [23:48] <yogwhatup2000> That's how I got all my middle school porn!
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