#1 [00:17] <SinZ> ALASKAMAN: grifting mod?
#2 [00:19] <ALASKAMAN> so they cant go around beacking every thing
#3 [00:22] <SinZ> A. its griefing, B. its bukkit C. they are referred to plugins, and D. try http://plugins.bukkit.org/#ti=&ta=SEC&au=&subm=false&pno=0
#4 [00:25] <clarjon1> ALASKAMAN: and, it's a logging plugin
#5 [00:26] <clarjon1> like logblock, hawkeye, bigbrother, and so forth.
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#7 [00:28] <DominickRiddle> Havent logged into minecraft in ages, but I've been trying recently and it just says "cant connect to minecraft.net"
#8 [00:32] <SinZ> !login
#9 [00:32] <SinZ> DSPhat: try now
#10 [00:32] <DiskDaemon> That's odd, it works for me... too
#11 [00:32] <SinZ> the login servers are infamous for being unstable
#12 [00:33] <SinZ> !auth
#13 [00:33] <SinZ> aww
#14 [00:34] <SinZ> Interitus384: Try now
#15 [00:34] <SinZ> !login
#16 [00:34] <Interitus384> !login
#17 [00:34] <SinZ> try and login to minecraft...
#18 [00:35] <Interitus384> yeah I just did
#19 [00:35] <Interitus384> has there been an update to the launcher?
#20 [00:35] <DSPhat> Huh SinZ?
#21 [00:35] <DSPhat> !login
#22 [00:35] <SinZ> DSPhat: wrong ping, sorry </3
#23 [00:35] <DSPhat> Ok
#24 [00:35] <SinZ> Interitus384: most likely, if you haven't played for awhile
#25 [00:36] <DSPhat> I just realised that </3 looks like a broken ice cream cone :(
#26 [00:37] <Interitus384> aha... I must have had a different version downloaded or something
#27 [00:37] <DSPhat> Interitus384 have you migrated your account?
#28 [00:37] <Interitus384> redownloaded the client, works
#29 [00:37] <Interitus384> I'm not sure what that means, but I was just able to login
#30 [00:38] <SinZ> DSPhat: it would say if it did when he attempts to login
#31 [00:39] <Interitus384> that was odd. oh well, it works now :D
#32 [00:39] <Interitus384> thanks :)
#33 [00:40] <DSPhat> True, SinZ
#34 [00:40] <SinZ> though I was a sadpanda when you could use your minecraft username to login on the client, and if you changed your password, it didn't apply to the username
#35 [00:40] <SinZ> so I had 2 passwords for the same account
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#37 [01:14] <AlmtyBob> Why can't I delete mods in MultiMC? I right click an instance -> Edit Mods -> select a mod -> press remove/delete and it does nothing at all
#38 [01:15] <AlmtyBob> oh apparently it did and just didn't refresh the window. Go fig
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#47 [03:29] <solidsnake> hii
#48 [03:29] <solidsnake> someone's there?..
#49 [03:29] <puffrfish> hello.
#50 [03:30] <solidsnake> hey i need help
#51 [03:30] <solidsnake> with the redstone
#52 [03:30] <solidsnake> its soo complicated
#53 [03:30] <solidsnake> how can i make an automatic arrow trap with a dispenser?
#54 [03:37] <GreyVulpine> Pretty easily
#55 [03:41] <solidsnake> how
#56 [03:44] <GreyVulpine> Well, start with the basics. Pressure plate to the dispenser. Each time you step in it, the wire will energize, firing the dispenser once.
#57 [03:45] <GreyVulpine> Now, when you get that working, you'll want it to fire continuously when somebody presses on the plate, that's when you'll need to figure out the circuit for a clock, and an AND gate
#58 [03:45] <GreyVulpine> If you have a server, I can hop on and show you
#59 [03:52] <solidsnake> the and gate is a logical gate?
#60 [03:52] <GreyVulpine> Yes sir.
#61 [03:52] <solidsnake> thank you very much
#62 [03:53] <solidsnake> i will check it on the wiki
#63 [03:53] * GreyVulpine nods
#63 [03:53] <Wug> whats this GreyVulpine is playing minecraft
#64 [03:54] <GreyVulpine> Haven't touched it in months
#65 [03:54] <solidsnake> A device where the output is on when both inputs are on. This behaves in a manner equivalent to a Tri-state buffer, where input B acts like a switch, so that if it is off, input A is disconnected from the rest of the circuit. The discrepancy from real-life tri-state buffers lies in the fact that one cannot drive a low current in Minecraft. (See the Wikipedia
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#67 [03:54] <solidsnake> the redstone mechanics are soooooo complicated >-<
#68 [03:54] <Wug> not really. its all just nots and ors
#69 [03:54] <GreyVulpine> They're actually rather simple, if bulky
#70 [03:54] <Wug> and the occasional clever delay
#71 [03:55] <solidsnake> i cant play minecraft right now
#72 [03:56] <solidsnake> im on the school computer
#73 [03:56] <solidsnake> i will try to make one later
#74 [03:56] <Wug> I'm so sorry :<
#75 [03:56] <Wug> LOL IM SO FUNNY
#76 [03:56] <solidsnake> yes you are
#77 [03:56] * GreyVulpine pats Wug on the head
#77 [03:56] * Wug B3
#77 [03:57] <Wug> ^ those are cool sunglasses
#78 [03:57] <GreyVulpine> I thought you were playing battleship
#79 [03:57] <Wug> I wish
#80 [03:57] <Wug> instead I'm fiddling with atheme and procrastinating writing an essay
#81 [03:57] <solidsnake> an essay about what?
#82 [03:58] * GreyVulpine is fooling around with map editing on SS13
#82 [03:59] <Wug> art and gender
#83 [03:59] <Wug> dont get me wrong, the class is cool
#84 [03:59] <Wug> but ugh
#85 [03:59] <Wug> I hate essays
#86 [03:59] <Wug> with a burning hatred seated deep within my bowels
#87 [03:59] * GreyVulpine pats Wug on the head
#87 [03:59] * Wug grumbles
#87 [04:00] <solidsnake> lol
#88 [04:00] <solidsnake> lol
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#91 [04:04] <xPrezidential> hi
#92 [04:04] <GreyVulpine> Salud
#93 [04:05] <GreyVulpine> Comment ça va?
#94 [04:05] <xPrezidential> Anyone know of a good server to join? I just got minecraft like 45min ago and it seems pretty complicated even though it's simple. :P
#95 [04:05] <GreyVulpine> ?? smp/servers
#96 [04:06] <VoxelHead> smp/servers: There currently is no master list of all SMP servers. Fan-made indexes include http://minestatus.net/ - http://www.mcserverlist.net/ - http://www.reddit.com/r/mcservers - http://minecraftservers.net/ - http://minecraft.dk/mcserverlist/
#97 [04:06] <VoxelHead> smp/servers: You can also find a list at the MC forums at http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewforum.php?f=1025. Also, try the #smp channel.
#98 [04:06] <GreyVulpine> ^
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#100 [04:06] <SenorHeff> Hello
#101 [04:06] <Wug> hullo
#102 [04:06] <SenorHeff> In the opinion of the community here, what is the best mod/tool to improve Minecraft FPS?
#103 [04:06] <solidsnake> hay
#104 [04:07] <Wug> optifine
#105 [04:07] <SenorHeff> Im using optifine
#106 [04:07] <SenorHeff> Anything else?
#107 [04:07] <Wug> nope
#108 [04:07] <SenorHeff> D:
#109 [04:07] <Wug> nothing as good anyway
#110 [04:08] <Wug> GreyVulpine: you are michigigan
#111 [04:08] <Wug> dont go all canadian on me
#112 [04:08] <GreyVulpine> Yes, sucky ass Michigan
#113 [04:08] <Wug> no speako el frencho
#114 [04:08] <solidsnake> voleu comportar-vos?..
#115 [04:08] <SenorHeff> I currently get around 20-60 fps when i play on servers
#116 [04:08] <SenorHeff> i tried running on a ramdisk, it did not help
#117 [04:09] <solidsnake> doncs molt bé
#118 [04:09] <Wug> SenorHeff: ramdisks only used to help in single player
#119 [04:09] <GreyVulpine> Oui monsieur Wug.
#120 [04:09] <Wug> back before the file format update
#121 [04:09] <solidsnake> tres bien
#122 [04:09] <SenorHeff> I see
#123 [04:09] <Wug> GreyVulpine: I'll turn spanish
#124 [04:09] <Wug> I can and I will
#125 [04:09] <SenorHeff> Ill give you my specs
#126 [04:09] <solidsnake> i also speak spanish
#127 [04:09] <SenorHeff> can you tell me if they are too bad?
#128 [04:09] <GreyVulpine> Spangish?
#129 [04:09] <Wug> SenorHeff: your best bet is updated graphics card drivers
#130 [04:10] <solidsnake> prefereixo parlar en catala
#131 [04:10] <Wug> you might check to see if there is an update availabel
#132 [04:10] <SenorHeff> I have updated
#133 [04:10] <Wug> you might be out of luck then
#134 [04:10] <solidsnake> adelante dime algo en español GreyVulpine
#135 [04:10] <Wug> since all of the world in smp is in ram anyway, theres no point in using a ramdisk for smp at all
#136 [04:10] <SenorHeff> Unfortunately, I have a Intel Graphics HD Family graphics card
#137 [04:10] <Wug> yeah, those are sux
#138 [04:11] <SenorHeff> I know
#139 [04:11] <SenorHeff> :(
#140 [04:11] <Wug> might be time for an upgrade :S
#141 [04:11] <SenorHeff> 4GB Ram, Intel I7
#142 [04:11] <SenorHeff> its a laptop btw
#143 [04:11] <solidsnake> :)
#144 [04:11] <Wug> what a horribly imbalanced computer
#145 [04:11] <Wug> is it one of the new i7s
#146 [04:11] <SenorHeff> lol
#147 [04:11] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, the intel HD graphics is the reason why you get horridlag in minecraft
#148 [04:11] <Wug> the HD 3000 thing isnt that bad
#149 [04:12] <SenorHeff> Thats what i thought grey
#150 [04:12] <Wug> as long as the drivers are up to date
#151 [04:12] <SenorHeff> Asus Notebook K53E Series
#152 [04:12] <Wug> :dx > SenorHeff
#153 [04:12] <WugBot> SenorHeff: (dx) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#154 [04:12] <WugBot> SenorHeff: (dx) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link you are sent to, and paste it here.
#155 [04:12] <SenorHeff> Why was your name in red?
#156 [04:13] <SenorHeff> private message?
#157 [04:13] <Wug> me or wugbot
#158 [04:13] <SenorHeff> both
#159 [04:13] <Wug> whichever, it was because we said your name
#160 [04:13] <SenorHeff> oh ok
#161 [04:13] <Wug> its called 'dinging'
#162 [04:13] <Wug> or so we call it colloquially
#163 [04:13] <SenorHeff> http://pastebin.com/Mh1bgdR7 - Thats from CPU-Z
#164 [04:13] <SenorHeff> ill have dxdiag in a sec
#165 [04:15] <SenorHeff> http://pastebin.com/2nTWAcHp - DxDiag
#166 [04:15] <Wug> looks like you do have the hd graphics 3000
#167 [04:15] <Wug> which in my experience has always run minecraft at least ok
#168 [04:15] <SenorHeff> D:
#169 [04:15] <DSPhat> !rawR
#170 [04:15] <Wug> does it perform better in single player?
#171 [04:16] <SenorHeff> after testing it right now, it was going at 5-35 fps
#172 [04:16] <SenorHeff> make that 5-45
#173 [04:17] <SenorHeff> sometimes it just drops below 10
#174 [04:21] <SenorHeff> Wug?
#175 [04:21] <Wug> mm?
#176 [04:21] <SenorHeff> No other ideas?
#177 [04:21] <Wug> set it to fast rather than fancy and reduce the render distance
#178 [04:21] <GreyVulpine> new computer. One that has a discrete video card
#179 [04:21] <SenorHeff> hmm grey
#180 [04:21] <SenorHeff> laptop or desktop?
#181 [04:21] <Wug> also make sure you're using 64 bit java
#182 [04:22] <GreyVulpine> Either will work, as long as you don't aim for an intel integrated card
#183 [04:22] <Wug> SenorHeff: I'd recommend a desktop because theyre awesome
#184 [04:22] <SenorHeff> wug i've already done all that
#185 [04:22] <GreyVulpine> Or.. *shudder* an S3S/VIA
#186 [04:22] <SenorHeff> hmm
#187 [04:22] <SenorHeff> well grey
#188 [04:22] <Wug> yeah make sure you get a video card from this millenium
#189 [04:22] <SenorHeff> when i got this laptop, i saw 4gb ram, i7 processor and bought it
#190 [04:22] <SenorHeff> it was cheap too
#191 [04:22] <GreyVulpine> And that would be why
#192 [04:23] <SenorHeff> guess ill pay attention to the graphics card next tim
#193 [04:23] <SenorHeff> time
#194 [04:23] * GreyVulpine nods
#194 [04:23] <SenorHeff> i didnt know much about that sort of stuff at that time
#195 [04:23] <SenorHeff> Wug: how can i check if i have 64 bit installation of java?
#196 [04:24] <Wug> run java -version from a command line
#197 [04:24] <Wug> if it says 64 bit it is 64 bit, otherwise it is not
#198 [04:24] <SenorHeff> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.7.0_04-b22)
#199 [04:24] <SenorHeff> Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 23.0-b21, mixed mode)
#200 [04:28] <SenorHeff> so my only options are buying a new laptop?
#201 [04:29] <GreyVulpine> Pretty much
#202 [04:29] <SenorHeff> aww man
#203 [04:29] <SenorHeff> i dont think i can afford to buy one right now...
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#205 [04:30] <Wug> do us a favor and open a world, multiplayer, press f3, leave it for a few seconds so the graphs collect some data, take a screenshot, and upload it
#206 [04:31] <GreyVulpine> Be lucky to see anything, with all the red that'll collect
#207 [04:31] <SenorHeff> where can i upload it?
#208 [04:31] <GreyVulpine> imgur.com
#209 [04:31] <Wug> imgur or wherever
#210 [04:31] <Wug> SenorHeff: look at the horizon
#211 [04:32] <Wug> not at the sky or ground
#212 [04:32] <Wug> make sure to wait a while for the map to load more or less fully too
#213 [04:32] <Wug> GreyVulpine: we should start collecting these with dxdiags for everyone
#214 [04:33] <Wug> its data that gets turned into targeted performance tweaks
#215 [04:33] * GreyVulpine shrugs
#215 [04:33] <SenorHeff> http://imgur.com/o7RUx
#216 [04:34] <SenorHeff> or http://i.imgur.com/o7RUx.png
#217 [04:34] <Wug> does optifine remove the pie graph or something
#218 [04:34] <Wug> I bet it does
#219 [04:34] <SenorHeff> dont know
#220 [04:35] <Wug> any chance you could make a backup and repeat the process with a fresh jar
#221 [04:35] <SenorHeff> ok
#222 [04:35] <Wug> I have to go, brb 10 mins
#223 [04:35] <SenorHeff> D;
#224 [04:36] <SenorHeff> grey
#225 [04:36] <SenorHeff> would you be able to help on this issue?
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#227 [04:39] <SenorHeff> http://imgur.com/AAeFc
#228 [04:39] <SenorHeff> or http://i.imgur.com/AAeFc.png
#229 [04:39] <SenorHeff> Wug: there you go
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#231 [04:51] <SenorHeff> Wug?
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#233 [04:59] <SenorHeff> Wug: are you there?
#234 [05:07] <rev-lemon> SenorHeff whats up
#235 [05:07] <rev-lemon> ?
#236 [05:07] <SenorHeff> Well Wug was trying to help me with some bad lag i was experiencing with Minecraft
#237 [05:08] <rev-lemon> lag, ie with muliplayer ?
#238 [05:08] <SenorHeff> if you look at those pics, and read the text above it, you will see what i mean
#239 [05:08] <SenorHeff> both
#240 [05:08] <SenorHeff> as in
#241 [05:08] <SenorHeff> ssp and smp
#242 [05:08] <rev-lemon> ok, are you running the latest 1.25 ? or the test release
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#244 [05:09] <SenorHeff> latest 1.25
#245 [05:09] <rev-lemon> windows / mac ?
#246 [05:09] <SenorHeff> windows 7
#247 [05:09] <SinZ> psst, he never looked at the pic, it would of answered the last two questions
#248 [05:09] <rev-lemon> do you know how much ram you have ?
#249 [05:09] <SenorHeff> 4 gb
#250 [05:09] <SinZ> only the first, relooked at the pic =S
#251 [05:10] <rev-lemon> i dont care for the pic the f3 key slows down the game anyway
#252 [05:10] <SinZ> F3 would of shown its 1.2.5 though <3
#253 [05:10] <SenorHeff> yea
#254 [05:10] <rev-lemon> bah
#255 [05:10] <rev-lemon> no one wa helping so i thought i could now, you can either help with me or just stay out :P
#256 [05:10] <SinZ> im a much bigger fan of shift + F3
#257 [05:11] <rev-lemon> same here
#258 [05:11] <rev-lemon> SenorHeff have you updated your video drivers ?
#259 [05:11] <SenorHeff> yes
#260 [05:11] <rev-lemon> when was that ?
#261 [05:11] <SinZ> what graphics card do you have?
#262 [05:11] <SenorHeff> last month
#263 [05:11] <SenorHeff> Intel graphics hd
#264 [05:11] <SenorHeff> i think it was 3000 series
#265 [05:11] <SenorHeff> its crap
#266 [05:11] <SenorHeff> i think
#267 [05:11] <rev-lemon> wtf do they do that to people
#268 [05:12] <rev-lemon> they give away a huge os then give them the shittyist of graphics drivers
#269 [05:12] <rev-lemon> laptop or desktop
#270 [05:12] <SenorHeff> desktop
#271 [05:12] <SinZ> my laptop has a nvidia geforce 330M and an i7 first-gen
#272 [05:12] <SenorHeff> i have an i7 processor
#273 [05:14] <SenorHeff> brb
#274 [05:15] <rev-lemon> sinz do you thnk a dxdig woudl help ?
#275 [05:15] <SenorHeff> im back. and i already posted CPU_Z and DxDiag
#276 [05:16] <SenorHeff> http://pastebin.com/Mh1bgdR7 - Thats from CPU-Z http://pastebin.com/2nTWAcHp - DxDiag
#277 [05:18] <SinZ> dxdiag always helps <3
#278 [05:18] <SenorHeff> well there it is
#279 [05:20] <SinZ> what other programs are running at the time of the lag?
#280 [05:20] <SenorHeff> Skype, Chrome, sometimes Python IDLE
#281 [05:21] <rev-lemon> SenorHeff what vers of java do you have ?
#282 [05:21] <SenorHeff> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.7.0_04-b22)
#283 [05:21] <SenorHeff> Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 23.0-b21, mixed mode)
#284 [05:22] <SinZ> <SenorHeff> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.7.0_04-b22)
#285 [05:22] <SinZ> <SenorHeff> Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 23.0-b21, mixed mode)
#286 [05:22] <SinZ> aww
#287 [05:22] <SenorHeff> ?
#288 [05:22] <SinZ> didn't see you repost them
#289 [05:22] <SenorHeff> oh ok
#290 [05:24] <rev-lemon> SenorHeff it looks like you do have latest java, when did you install that, and did you have any trouble installing that at all ?
#291 [05:24] <SenorHeff> not sure when i installed it. i ddint have trouble installing it
#292 [05:24] <rev-lemon> SenorHeff when was the last time you installed minecraft ?
#293 [05:24] <rev-lemon> ok
#294 [05:25] <SenorHeff> Well i updates when 1.2.5 came out and thats it
#295 [05:25] <rev-lemon> hm
#296 [05:26] <rev-lemon> SenorHeff can you make sure you can login right now ? just so i can tell you to kill the bin folder and redownload the jar file and see if that might help in anyways ?
#297 [05:26] <SenorHeff> i posted a pic with a fresh jar
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#299 [05:28] <rev-lemon> SenorHeff do you have open gl on or off when running minrcraft / usually found under the video settings ?
#300 [05:28] <SinZ> its most likely the lack of a graphics card thats causing all the lag
#301 [05:29] <SenorHeff> its off
#302 [05:31] <rev-lemon> SenorHeff try turning it on then and see if that makes a difference ?
#303 [05:32] <SenorHeff> not much difference
#304 [05:33] <rev-lemon> i know you have disatnce near / but do you have hm, what is it, balence on say performace ?
#305 [05:33] <SenorHeff> best fps
#306 [05:33] <rev-lemon> have you played around with those settings and stuff ?
#307 [05:33] <rev-lemon> really wired, then,
#308 [05:33] <SenorHeff> :(
#309 [05:37] <rev-lemon> SenorHeff only thing i can think of is deleting java
#310 [05:37] <rev-lemon> and reinstalling it
#311 [05:37] <rev-lemon> minecraft is java based
#312 [05:37] <SenorHeff> i know
#313 [05:38] <rev-lemon> hm, im dicking around with the pre release so i dont know but mine runs fine, you could try the pre release if you get from minecraft fourms
#314 [05:38] <SenorHeff> do you have better performance?
#315 [05:39] <rev-lemon> well it works completely different
#316 [05:39] <SenorHeff> really?
#317 [05:39] <SenorHeff> how?
#318 [05:39] <rev-lemon> well its now server based which means if you press esc it doesnt stop the game
#319 [05:39] <rev-lemon> press i, it doesnt stop the game
#320 [05:39] <rev-lemon> or e lol
#321 [05:40] <SenorHeff> e?
#322 [05:40] <rev-lemon> they changed the keys in minecraft from i to e
#323 [05:40] <rev-lemon> mines still i
#324 [05:40] <SenorHeff> oh...
#325 [05:45] <SenorHeff> well i g2g. bye
#326 [05:45] <rev-lemon> bye
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#328 [06:29] <Riesjac> anyone know an issue where u crash someone's server by trying to login, i only get to downloading terrain and then it crashes and i get a time out
#329 [06:30] <DiskDaemon> so your own client crashes, not their server itself?
#330 [06:30] <Wug> have them delete your player data
#331 [06:30] <Riesjac> no the server crashes
#332 [06:30] <DiskDaemon> hell
#333 [06:30] <Wug> or pastebin the server error message
#334 [06:31] <Riesjac> cool thanks i'll let you know it it fixes it
#335 [06:46] <Riesjac> thanks a ton works now :D
#336 [06:56] <SinZ> rev-lemon: I now have more respect for you, using the retro key, I
#337 [06:56] <SinZ> I use it too o/
#338 [07:00] <Boreeas> I put it on i, too, simply because it makes more sense
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#342 [07:59] <WizardCM> I need help troubleshooting Minecraft server lag issues... so i need as many people as I can to connect to mc.wizardcm.com:25566 (not-default) at the same time as possible (it's a blank server, im not advertising)
#343 [07:59] <Wug> WizardCM: its bukkit. im not going to help you here either
#344 [08:01] <DiskDaemon> sorry, I'm not going to join an advertised server
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#346 [08:40] <Mrdrsl> Hello... This prolly has been asked for a million of times in the past week ... But the waterbug on the Xbox edition ... anyway to get around it? Does resetting your spawnpoint with a bed help?
#347 [08:40] <Mrdrsl> e.g. just don't build anything with water next to spawn ? :)
#348 [08:41] <GreyVulpine> Not much help we can provide with the xbox version here..
#349 [08:41] <Mrdrsl> ow well ... Any resourcesites for the xboxversion?
#350 [08:42] <Mrdrsl> i'm only relying on random twitterposts
#351 [08:45] <GreyVulpine> Sorry, I wouldn't know
#352 [08:45] <WizardCM> waterbug?
#353 [08:49] <Mrdrsl> placing water or lava
#354 [08:49] <Mrdrsl> doesn't work
#355 [08:49] <Mrdrsl> but it's only in spawn apparantly
#356 [08:49] <Mrdrsl> 33 blocksfrom spawn
#357 [08:49] <WizardCM> interesting
#358 [08:49] <Mrdrsl> sux, since i've built my house next to spawn and digged down ... built everything i need, before i started waterworks ^^
#359 [08:51] <WizardCM> ah :/
#360 [08:51] <WizardCM> im horrible at minecraft on xbox
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#367 [09:21] <ddavis> so yesterday i bought minecraft through moneymakers.. this morning my bank (Bank of America) told me the merchant has been flagged as fradulent and canceled my card.. I have to wait a week for a new one now. I checked the page to see if there was info on this. Anyone else have this problem?
#368 [09:21] <clarjon1> heh
#369 [09:22] <clarjon1> ddavis: Some american banks will flag the merchant that Minecraft uses as fraudulent because it's not based in the US of A
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#371 [09:22] <ddavis> clarjon1: yeah i saw it was in London but that means it's fradulent?? sheesh
#372 [09:22] <clarjon1> ddavis: It's legit, and has been used for a while, shortly after PayPal ( US based ) decided to freeze Mojang's account for a while.
#373 [09:23] <clarjon1> ddavis: Tell Bank of America that they are in error, and that it was an actual purchase.
#374 [09:23] <Dragon_EX> I need some more info about port forwarding. My router's website doesn't give enough.
#375 [09:23] <clarjon1> Dragon_EX: whatcha need to know?
#376 [09:24] <Dragon_EX> If it's like disabling your firewall and wich ip you use
#377 [09:24] <clarjon1> nah, you don't need to disable your firewall.
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#380 [09:24] <clarjon1> Besides, the router is usually an effective firewall in the first place
#381 [09:24] <clarjon1> ( It's hardware based, and only forwards what you tell it to forward )
#382 [09:25] <clarjon1> and, as for forwarding
#383 [09:25] <Dragon_EX> And do I use IPv6 or v4?
#384 [09:25] <clarjon1> Because you're on a LAN, you'd setup the router to forward to an ipv4 address
#385 [09:25] <clarjon1> Dragon_EX: Windows, Mac or Linux?
#386 [09:25] <Dragon_EX> Windows
#387 [09:25] <clarjon1> open the run dialog ( windows key + r ) and type in "cmd"
#388 [09:25] <clarjon1> once that is open, type in "ipconfig"
#389 [09:26] <clarjon1> look for an address similar to: 192.168.1.100
#390 [09:26] <clarjon1> ( my laptop is 192.168.1.152 for example )
#391 [09:26] <Dragon_EX> Yeah 192.168.0.1 (I freaking memorized it)
#392 [09:26] <clarjon1> no, no
#393 [09:26] <clarjon1> that's the IP for your router
#394 [09:26] <clarjon1> We're looking for the IP for your -computer-
#395 [09:26] <Dragon_EX> Oh 192.168.0.6
#396 [09:26] <clarjon1> Excellent
#397 [09:27] <clarjon1> You tell your router to send stuff from port 25565 to that IP there.
#398 [09:27] <Dragon_EX> Ping?
#399 [09:27] <clarjon1> I can't ping it from here -- that's known as a Private Network Address
#400 [09:27] <clarjon1> It'd try to ping a computer on my network :)
#401 [09:28] <Dragon_EX> I know I wish you could you that
#402 [09:28] <ddavis> dragon_ex what brand router do you have?
#403 [09:28] <clarjon1> That's why we use port forwarding, so that we can have computers with services on a private network have select services be public facing.
#404 [09:28] <Dragon_EX> It says Qwest
#405 [09:28] <ddavis> is that your modem or your router?
#406 [09:29] <clarjon1> ddavis: it could be a combination
#407 [09:29] <Dragon_EX> modem?
#408 [09:29] <Dragon_EX> I don't use Ethernet cables
#409 [09:29] <clarjon1> all wireless, eh
#410 [09:29] <clarjon1> Dragon_EX: does it look like this? http://www.actiontec.com/products/product.php?pid=210
#411 [09:29] <ddavis> dragon_ex: you must get onto the internet somehow... what's the model?
#412 [09:30] <Dragon_EX> clarjon1: Not even close
#413 [09:30] <Dragon_EX> It lies flat
#414 [09:30] <clarjon1> Dragon_EX: hmmm. when you go to the configuration page, is there a model number?
#415 [09:31] <Dragon_EX> It lies on its "belly" and has two antennas on the back
#416 [09:31] <clarjon1> Dragon_EX: That's nice, but there are Many, Many models that do that.
#417 [09:31] <Dragon_EX> Do you think it says the model # on thge side of it or something?
#418 [09:31] <ddavis> definitely
#419 [09:31] <ddavis> look for a label
#420 [09:31] <clarjon1> Dragon_EX: side, front, or bottom
#421 [09:32] <clarjon1> or the back
#422 [09:32] <ddavis> or the other side
#423 [09:32] <clarjon1> Usually on the same sticker that has the default login
#424 [09:32] <Dragon_EX> found it
#425 [09:32] <clarjon1> Excellent!
#426 [09:33] <Dragon_EX> The number below the barcode?
#427 [09:33] <clarjon1> possibly?
#428 [09:33] <ddavis> should say model number or something next to it
#429 [09:33] <ddavis> type them all
#430 [09:33] <clarjon1> None of the information printed on the router can identify you -- unless of course they put a sticker with your address on it, lol.
#431 [09:34] <clarjon1> Dragon_EX: it's usally near a number marked SN or S/N
#432 [09:34] <Dragon_EX> Q1000 CVAA9521107370
#433 [09:34] <ddavis> q1000 is it
#434 [09:34] <clarjon1> http://www.actiontec.com/products/product.php?pid=200
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#436 [09:35] <ddavis> http://www.actiontec.com/products/datasheets/Q1000QwPortForwardHowto.pdf
#437 [09:35] <clarjon1> http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/Actiontec/Q1000/Minecraft_Server.htm
#438 [09:35] <ddavis> so for both ports, type in 25565
#439 [09:35] <ddavis> then put your 192.168.0.4 ip in the other box and save it
#440 [09:35] <ddavis> oops
#441 [09:35] <ddavis> .6
#442 [09:36] <clarjon1> That guide there can help :)
#443 [09:36] <ddavis> wow specific set up for every model out there eh? :)
#444 [09:36] <clarjon1> ddavis: yup
#445 [09:36] <clarjon1> awesome resource :)
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#447 [09:37] <ddavis> hah.. one of those routers
#448 [09:37] <clarjon1> Dragon_EX: http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/Actiontec/Q1000/Minecraft_Server.htm
#449 [09:37] <ddavis> i think he got it and it bounced when he saved it
#450 [09:37] <Dragon_EX_> Stupid automatic updates...
#451 [09:38] <clarjon1> that link there will guide you thru setting up the router -- all you have to do is give it the LAN ip and you'dbe set :)
#452 [09:38] <clarjon1> note: you do have to put in TWO entries like it says -- one for TCP and one for UDP forwarding.
#453 [09:39] <Dragon_EX> Ok it's a router not a modem
#454 [09:39] <clarjon1> it's both
#455 [09:39] <clarjon1> i do believe.
#456 [09:40] <clarjon1> Many ISPs like to put their modems and routers into one device, so that it's easier to setup for the customer :)
#457 [09:41] <Dragon_EX> Wow this is kindof like a paradise for me. I'm surrounded by fellow nerds. ;)
#458 [09:41] <clarjon1> Sorry, not me.
#459 [09:41] <clarjon1> I'm a geek.
#460 [09:41] * GreyVulpine thwaps clarjon1 over the head
#460 [09:41] <Dragon_EX> Same dif
#461 [09:41] <GreyVulpine> One of us.
#462 [09:41] * Wug redirects thwap
#462 [09:41] * GreyVulpine pats Wug over the head.
#462 [09:41] <GreyVulpine> One of us.
#463 [09:41] <clarjon1> Come play with us
#464 [09:42] * Dragon_EX doesn't know what's happening so he thwaps everyone including himself
#464 [09:42] <clarjon1> Come play with us.... forever and ever....
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#466 [09:43] <ddavis> i try not to touch a computer when i'm not working... just happened to buy minecraft to keep my little brother entertained yesterday(he already has it) hah
#467 [09:44] * Wug redirects pat
#467 [09:44] * Wug degenerates and redirects all actions
#467 [09:44] <Dragon_EX> Ok clarjon at this link you gave me, what do I do?
#468 [09:46] <Boreeas> } catch (Pat pat) { getWug().pat(); }
#469 [09:47] <Dragon_EX> brb
#470 [09:48] * Wug is unstable due to lack of sleep. Spontaneous decay into smaller particles may be observed without warning
#470 [09:48] <Wug> take shelter if necessary
#471 [09:48] <clarjon1> Dragon_EX: you use it for reference
#472 [09:48] <Boreeas> Let's not obsever Wug, so he's both decayed and not decayed
#473 [09:48] * Thrae sends Gordon Freeman to extend Wug's half-life!
#473 [09:48] * Wug obsevers Boreeas
#473 [09:49] * GreyVulpine unleashes irradiated cats after Wug
#473 [09:49] <Boreeas> <.<
#474 [09:49] <clarjon1> Nuclear cats have 18 half-lives :)
#475 [09:49] * Wug redirects unleash, extend, and send
#475 [09:49] <clarjon1> Wug: you're redirecting a longer lifespan?
#476 [09:49] <Dragon_EX> back
#477 [09:49] <Wug> the degenerate wug matter is stealing the effects of all actions
#478 [09:50] <clarjon1> Dragon_EX: as i said, you use it for reference.
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#480 [09:50] <Dragon_EX> How?
#481 [09:50] <clarjon1> Dragon_EX: It's there to show you what things are supposed to look like ( with the exception of the Lan IP )
#482 [09:50] <Dragon_EX> ok
#483 [09:51] <Dragon_EX> Alright
#484 [09:51] <Dragon_EX> thanks
#485 [09:51] <clarjon1> no problem
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#487 [10:07] <Guest__> Why can't I cut down trees, mine anything, or destroy anything on xbox?
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#496 [11:09] <nekro> Probably spawn zone protection
#497 [11:09] <nekro> Move away from spawn
#498 [11:10] <nekro> Oh. He left
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#503 [11:40] <ineedname> hello
#504 [11:40] <ineedname> can i write here?
#505 [11:40] <Morrolan> As you see, you can.
#506 [11:40] <ineedname> why cant i write in #minecraft?
#507 [11:41] <Morrolan> You will have to register your nickname for that.
#508 [11:41] <ineedname> omg
#509 [11:41] <Morrolan> "/ns register <password> <e-mail>"
#510 [11:41] <ineedname> but im about to buy minecraft and i dont know what name to use :S
#511 [11:41] <Morrolan> Your IRC name, that one isn't related, don't worry.
#512 [11:42] <ineedname> no but im buying the game now
#513 [11:42] <ineedname> and all the names i try are already in use
#514 [11:42] <Morrolan> Okay.
#515 [11:42] <ineedname> so what should i use :p
#516 [11:42] <Morrolan> Well, that is a problem indeed. ^^
#517 [11:42] <Morrolan> Since Minecraft is pretty popular, a lot of names are taken already.
#518 [11:43] <ineedname> duh
#519 [11:43] <Morrolan> Afraid I can't help you with that, go through the nicknames you've used online, try to find one which isn't taken.
#520 [11:43] <Morrolan> Worst case you could add some numbers, but mind you that the name you pick will be used for Multiplayer.
#521 [11:43] <ineedname> i know
#522 [11:43] <ineedname> i've had the game before
#523 [11:43] <ineedname> but i dont remember my password
#524 [11:43] <Morrolan> Ok.
#525 [11:43] <ineedname> so im buying it again
#526 [11:43] <ineedname> and omg so hard
#527 [11:44] <Morrolan> Thought about resetting your password?
#528 [11:44] <Morrolan> Unless, ofcourse, your mail account doesn't exist anymore. ;)
#529 [11:45] <ineedname> but is this like really the irc mine people use?
#530 [11:45] <ineedname> like do jeb and thewse go here?
#531 [11:46] <Boreeas> They occasionally come here.
#532 [11:46] <Boreeas> As you can see, moll_stam is here right now (please don't type his name)
#533 [11:47] <ineedname> who's that?
#534 [11:48] <Boreeas> The web dev for mojang
#535 [11:49] <Eddie> Indeed he is.
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#537 [11:50] <ineedname> cool
#538 [11:51] <ineedname> why cant i say his nmae?
#539 [11:51] <ineedname> isnt he social
#540 [11:52] <sammaelt> ><
#541 [11:56] <Morrolan> Most people have their client set up to beep/blink when you mention their nickname.
#542 [11:56] <Morrolan> Then again, I'm pretty sure he disabled this feature.
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#545 [12:03] <sammaelt> he meant he s not on the channel >_<
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#549 [12:13] <ineedname> why is his aftername here?
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#551 [12:24] <Morrolan> His what?
#552 [12:32] <Dan> hey do you think that the xbox 360 mc will be updated to 1.2.5 and allow server connect?
#553 [12:33] <Morrolan> Pretty sure that there'll be updates to that version. But I don't think there'll be cross-platform compability.
#554 [12:34] <clarjon1> yeah
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#556 [12:34] <clarjon1> Dan: Microsoft won't allow Minecraft XBox to connect to normal servers.
#557 [12:34] <clarjon1> Dan: Their rules state that it must be done via other XBox live users.
#558 [12:35] <Dan> that sucks
#559 [12:35] <clarjon1> not even if they released a Games For Windows Live version, still no connectivity.
#560 [12:35] <clarjon1> That's the rules that Microsoft sets, unfortunately.
#561 [12:36] <Dan> they should allow it and also allow at lease connecting your mc.net account to the game
#562 [12:37] <clarjon1> Unfortunately, Microsoft doesn't want that.
#563 [12:37] <AmberK|Busy> Well
#564 [12:37] <Boreeas> Mail bill.gates@microsoft.com and ask him to change it :P
#565 [12:37] <AmberK|Busy> *cough* you could *cough* TECHNICALLY *cough* use normal servers
#566 [12:38] * AmberK|Busy waddles off
#566 [12:38] <Boreeas> Purely hypothetically, of course
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#570 [12:45] <ABC_Lockwood> does anyone know a good channel i can join to find someoen to play a custom map with?
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#573 [12:49] <panitaliemom> hello
#574 [12:49] <ABC_Lockwood> hi
#575 [12:49] <clarjon1> hello
#576 [12:50] <panitaliemom> i am problem minecraft : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4JCJfmETgw :( help my i am speak slovak
#577 [12:50] <panitaliemom> i am speak slovak :(
#578 [12:51] <panitaliemom> help my please on minecraft :(
#579 [12:52] <sammaelt> sorry i need to go away to shop, see you in twenty minutes :s
#580 [12:52] <sammaelt> 20min*
#581 [12:53] <panitaliemom> ok then help me?
#582 [12:53] <ABC_Lockwood> i have no idea whats going on when you try to connect to that server
#583 [12:53] <ABC_Lockwood> have you tried other servers?>
#584 [12:53] <clarjon1> that video is from last year
#585 [12:54] <ABC_Lockwood> :L
#586 [12:54] <Morrolan> Tell the server admin to remove your player.dat file; might help.
#587 [12:54] <clarjon1> panitaliemom: if you are having trouble, contact the people who run the server for help. :)
#588 [12:54] <sammaelt> use wise words
#589 [12:54] <sammaelt> use simple and basic words
#590 [12:54] <sammaelt> he doesnt speak english well
#591 [12:54] <clarjon1> panitaliemom: it could be your player file is broken, and ask them to remove it :)
#592 [12:54] <panitaliemom> I have no fault can not connect to the server which created the friend for hamachi and I have the same problem as in this video
#593 [12:54] <clarjon1> ....
#594 [12:55] <clarjon1> eww, hamachi
#595 [12:55] <sammaelt> ewww hamachi too
#596 [12:55] <clarjon1> We don't support Hamachi servers, sorry.
#597 [12:55] <sammaelt> do you pirate panitaliemom
#598 [12:55] <Morrolan> sammaelt - I don't think my sentence could have gotten much more simple. ;)
#599 [12:55] <panitaliemom> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4JCJfmETgw
#600 [12:55] <Morrolan> simpler*
#601 [12:55] <sammaelt> Morrolan i was speaking generally :3
#602 [12:55] <Morrolan> panitaliemom - Tell the admin of the server to remove your player.dat file.
#603 [12:56] <clarjon1> panitaliemom: No Hamachi Here
#604 [12:56] <|Anthony|> considering how expensive redstone can be on a server, how much should i charge at a shop for redstone dust? Players can earn about $1000 an hour in the mob arena here.
#605 [12:56] <Morrolan> Considering you'll find lots of it when mining? Not much.
#606 [12:56] <sammaelt> redstone can be much more easier to find than diamong though
#607 [12:56] <clarjon1> |Anthony|: I'd start by asking people what they would pay for redstone, and see what comes of that.
#608 [12:56] <panitaliemom> ok now I'm going to try here
#609 [12:56] <Morrolan> Obviously it depends on how many redstone fanatics you have ofcourse.
#610 [12:57] <Morrolan> If everyone is building giant circutis then it might be a bit more rare than on the server I play on.
#611 [12:57] <sammaelt> i love redstones fanatics
#612 [12:57] <sammaelt> one of my friend is really skilled
#613 [12:57] <sammaelt> he just made a stone generator
#614 [12:57] <|Anthony|> if the person know wtf he's doing, i have no issues
#615 [12:57] <sammaelt> with pistons
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#617 [12:57] <sammaelt> and a sand generator
#618 [12:57] <sammaelt> and a sand generator
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#620 [12:57] <panitaliemom> and where is the player.dat?
#621 [12:58] <clarjon1> panitaliemom: it is in with the world file on the server
#622 [12:58] <|Anthony|> i kinda want to make it challenging for players to build up a redstone inventory
#623 [12:58] <clarjon1> heh.
#624 [12:58] <|Anthony|> not too difficult, but hard enough that they can make it a mission
#625 [12:58] <clarjon1> |Anthony|: can other players open shops?
#626 [12:58] <|Anthony|> not yet
#627 [12:59] <clarjon1> |Anthony|: If you make it too expensive, you'll get "black market" trading.
#628 [12:59] <|Anthony|> shopkeep will be a guild/class
#629 [12:59] <panitaliemom> I still shows Downloading Terrain Time Out Error
#630 [12:59] <|Anthony|> i actually like the black market trading aspect
#631 [12:59] <clarjon1> |Anthony|: one million dollars!
#632 [12:59] <|Anthony|> i have one player giving one gold block for 4 gunpowder
#633 [13:00] <clarjon1> o.O
#634 [13:00] <|Anthony|> i love it
#635 [13:00] <|Anthony|> sign in his window with gold and iron blocks behind it
#636 [13:00] <|Anthony|> awesome
#637 [13:01] <ABC_Lockwood> Anyone know a good channel to go to to find people to play with?
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#639 [13:02] <Morrolan> #smp if you're looking for a server, maybe #minecraft if you're just looking for people.
#640 [13:02] <panitaliemom> HELO : Internal exception : java.net.socketTimeoutException : Read timed out
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#642 [13:03] <ABC_Lockwood> ty
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#655 [14:23] <Morrolan> !check 86.30.189.141:25565
#656 [14:24] <Morrolan> ;check 86.30.189.141:25565
#657 [14:24] <WugBot> 86.30.189.141:25565 seems to host a minecraft server: SuperCraft (11/75)
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#662 [14:36] <WugBot> 86.30.189.141:25565 is accepting connections.
#663 [14:36] <Morrolan> !check 86.30.189.141:25565
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#673 [15:19] <pyro> I need help. I cant buy minecraft
#674 [15:19] <pyro> I have tried and tried. I have the money and all my info is right.
#675 [15:20] <oldtopman> pyro: PayPal or Credit Card?
#676 [15:20] <pyro> paypal
#677 [15:21] <pyro> I called them and they said its all good on their end.
#678 [15:21] <pyro> my bank is all good
#679 [15:21] <oldtopman> You're buying from minecraft.net?
#680 [15:21] <pyro> yes
#681 [15:22] <pyro> I live in Illinois
#682 [15:22] <pyro> but my friend paid and got his copy moments before I tried and got his
#683 [15:23] <oldtopman> hmm
#684 [15:23] * oldtopman has no idea
#684 [15:23] <pyro> T-T
#685 [15:24] <pyro> im going to go crazy
#686 [15:24] <pyro> I want to play so bad
#687 [15:25] <pyro> Im super pissed and I cant even use my debit on minecraft.net because it sucks so bad
#688 [15:28] <oldtopman> hmm
#689 [15:28] <oldtopman> pyro: What error do you get?
#690 [15:29] <pyro> just said it cant compliet it
#691 [15:29] <sammaelt> oh a pyro >_<
#692 [15:29] <sammaelt> (piro)
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#694 [15:31] <pyro> This payment cannot be completed and your account has not been charged. Please contact your merchant for more information.
#695 [15:31] <pyro> This payment cannot be completed and your account has not been charged. Please contact your merchant for more information.
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#697 [15:32] <oldtopman> hrm
#698 [15:32] <pyro> thats when i try to buy it from paypal
#699 [15:32] <oldtopman> pyro: No idea how the greymayre of paypal works.
#700 [15:32] <sammaelt> why dont you try a real credit card
#701 [15:32] <sammaelt> it will work
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#703 [15:32] <pyro> not in illinois
#704 [15:33] <sammaelt> yes it will
#705 [15:33] <pyro> wanna bet
#706 [15:33] <sammaelt> not with prepaid though
#707 [15:33] <sammaelt> you need a real credit cartd
#708 [15:33] <sammaelt> card*
#709 [15:33] <pyro> i know i got mine
#710 [15:33] <pyro> thats what I use thru paypal
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#712 [15:34] <pyro> Due to legal restrictions, we cannot currently accept registrations from residents of Illinois. Please accept our apologies for the inconvenience.
#713 [15:35] <pyro> " it will work" shows what you know
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#715 [15:36] <clarjon1> ....
#716 [15:36] <clarjon1> Really?
#717 [15:37] <pyro> what
#718 [15:37] <NHG_maniac> Hi
#719 [15:38] <clarjon1> oh
#720 [15:38] <clarjon1> pyro: Illinois state laws doesn't like moneybookers, go figure.
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#722 [15:39] <pyro> I know. I use paypal all the time for ebay. this never happened before
#723 [15:39] <WhiteMike411> So why is minecraft support so awesome?
#724 [15:39] <pyro> its not
#725 [15:39] <pyro> it sucks
#726 [15:39] * clarjon1 sighs
#726 [15:39] <clarjon1> Dude, we're just a bunch of volunteers who like the game enough to try and help people who run into problems.
#727 [15:39] <WhiteMike411> most company make me wait two years for a response but minecraft is only 6 months
#728 [15:40] <pyro> if there was a phone number for minecraft support I would be burning up the phone lines
#729 [15:40] <WhiteMike411> your helping my emotional needs
#730 [15:40] <clarjon1> we're not affiliated by Mojang, other than they have a link to the chat :)
#731 [15:40] <GreyVulpine> Mojang is based in Sweden, If you want the number, google it
#732 [15:40] <Morrolan> clarjon1 - Last I remember that one got removed a while ago.
#733 [15:40] <GreyVulpine> Don't blame us for your long distance bill though
#734 [15:40] <Morrolan> Made traffic die down a lot.
#735 [15:41] <Morrolan> "<clarjon1> pyro: Illinois state laws doesn't like moneybookers, go figure." <- what on.
#736 [15:41] <Morrolan> clarjon1 - Happen to know the reasons for that?
#737 [15:41] <pyro> im just mad. I wanna play this game and I cant buy it but my friend sat next to me and got his copy moments before me.
#738 [15:41] <clarjon1> Morrolan: Their license in Illinois got revoked, i'm trying to dig up why.
#739 [15:41] <Morrolan> If you find out, let me know. :)
#740 [15:42] <pyro> i was up all night trying to find a way to get this game
#741 [15:42] <Morrolan> Getting the same issue with PayPal?
#742 [15:43] <clarjon1> Morrolan: looks like because moneybookers allows one to make transactions to online gambling.
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#744 [15:43] <Morrolan> *sigh*, some US states really have laws which seem silly to me.
#745 [15:43] <Morrolan> Thanks for the info though, clarjon1.
#746 [15:43] <clarjon1> np.
#747 [15:43] <WhiteMike411> AWwwwwwwwwwwwwww ya
#748 [15:43] <pyro> but Illinois as casinos
#749 [15:45] <Morrolan> Which might actually be why they rather don't allow people to play online.
#750 [15:45] <pyro> make no sence
#751 [15:45] <Morrolan> This does get a bit too conspiracy-ish for my taste though, so I'll stop.
#752 [15:46] <pyro> sense
#753 [15:46] <WhiteMike411> why do you volunter?
#754 [15:46] <Morrolan> Oh, you know, I assume casinos do have to pay a certain percentage of their income to the government? Now if people gamble online, well, go figure.
#755 [15:47] <Morrolan> WhiteMike411 - I guess because most of us think that investing some time into it is worth it, if we can help some people who need assistance.
#756 [15:47] <pyro> how is online gambling linked to minecraft
#757 [15:47] <Morrolan> It's not, but if what clarjon1 read is true, it's the reason Moneybookers lost their license, which renders you unable to pay for Minecraft.
#758 [15:48] <Morrolan> Again though, do you get the same issue with PayPal?
#759 [15:48] <pyro> then I should just be able to to use my visa
#760 [15:48] <pyro> but i cant
#761 [15:48] <Morrolan> Credit card payments go through Moneybookers I think.
#762 [15:48] <pyro> my friend got the game MOMENTS before me
#763 [15:49] <Morrolan> Using his credit card?
#764 [15:49] <pyro> yes
#765 [15:49] <pyro> thats the onlyway to get minecraft
#766 [15:49] <Morrolan> Could you ask him to buy it for you, and pay him in cash?
#767 [15:49] <pyro> we tryed
#768 [15:49] <pyro> tried
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#770 [15:50] <Morrolan> Might be Moneybookers only accepting one payment per credit card per 24 hours or so, but I wouldn't know for sure.
#771 [15:51] <pyro> ill just have to keep trying
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#774 [16:07] <xSTAFFx> i haave a problam
#775 [16:08] <pyro> kind
#776 [16:08] <pyro> a
#777 [16:09] <xSTAFFx> when i download a mod (im using a mac here) and drag the files into minecraft.jar and then i start up minecraft everything works well until i play none of the items in the mod are there to use or craft
#778 [16:09] <pyro> I cant buy the game
#779 [16:10] <Morrolan> xSTAFFx - Might be a missing dependency like Modloader, or something else which is messed up.
#780 [16:10] <Morrolan> Whatever it is, you will have to ask the mod's creator for assistance.
#781 [16:11] <xSTAFFx> the only thing is that the mod is from planet minecraft
#782 [16:11] <xSTAFFx> or the mods
#783 [16:11] <Morrolan> If there is no forum thread linked, then Google might be able to help.
#784 [16:11] <pyro> no
#785 [16:11] <pyro> one
#786 [16:11] <pyro> cares
#787 [16:12] <xSTAFFx> bye X_X
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#791 [16:33] <Psychad> Hi! I got some maps I played in beta 1.8.1 , that I'd like to continue with in 1.2.5, but the maps looked way different in 1.2.5 ... is there any way I can convet them correctly?
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#793 [16:34] <rev-lemon> nope, unless you had the old 1.8.1 beta jar
#794 [16:34] <rev-lemon> file
#795 [16:35] <Psychad> i do, but... can new clinets join a beta 1.8.1 server ?
#796 [16:35] <rev-lemon> hm, not sure, i dont think so
#797 [16:35] <Psychad> and secondly.. why can't i convert them? they converted well from 1.3 to 1.4 and so on
#798 [16:36] <rev-lemon> well they should concvert correctly, but it depends on really how mojang did the conversion stuff with the maps and whatnot, and if they used mods or not as well
#799 [16:37] <Psychad> they were vanilla
#800 [16:37] <Psychad> they do convert, and I have all my items, but everything else is gone :)
#801 [16:37] <Psychad> its like the map restarted
#802 [16:37] <rev-lemon> then they should convert correctly, what is wrong with the old world compaired to the new one, the biome might have chnged as well
#803 [16:38] <rev-lemon> what is everything is gone ?
#804 [16:38] <rev-lemon> hm
#805 [16:38] <rev-lemon> you mean on you ?
#806 [16:38] <Morrolan> Sounds as if the actual region files weren't there, only level.dat seems to be.
#807 [16:38] <Psychad> the map is totally different, everything i built is gone, but the items i had are still on me
#808 [16:38] <Psychad> hmm
#809 [16:38] <Morrolan> Yep, seems to be a case of missing/corrupt regions files.
#810 [16:38] <Morrolan> For whatever reason.
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#812 [16:40] <aligator199749> how to disable the login via email to Minecraft? ////translated by transtale.google.com xD
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#814 [16:43] <Morrolan> You can't, it's a security feature which got added.
#815 [16:44] <Psychad> funny
#816 [16:44] <Psychad> for some reason i just got it working
#817 [16:44] <Psychad> i recopied the files from the old server
#818 [16:44] <Psychad> started up the 1.8.1beta boinary on the new server
#819 [16:44] <Psychad> then stopped
#820 [16:44] <Psychad> then started with 1.2.5
#821 [16:44] <Psychad> and now it works
#822 [16:44] <Psychad> oh, and 1.2.5 can't connect to 1.8.1b =)
#823 [16:44] <GreyVulpine> Course not
#824 [16:45] <Psychad> thanks for moral support
#825 [16:45] <GreyVulpine> minecraft's gone through several netcode revisions from 1.0 and 1.2.
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#827 [16:46] <sisk> Hi. My SMP server crashed do to power failure. When I restarted it, a new world seed was assigned. Is this normal? I don't have a specific seed defined in my server.properties
#828 [16:46] <Psychad> so, what comes after playing vanilla smp ?
#829 [16:46] <GreyVulpine> Normal if the level.dat is corrupt
#830 [16:46] <GreyVulpine> Playing non-vanilla SMP?
#831 [16:46] <Psychad> GreyVulpine: OH! ThaNk You!!
#832 [16:46] <sisk> Could this be avoided if I had entered my seed into the server.properties file?
#833 [16:46] <Psychad> ;)
#834 [16:47] <GreyVulpine> There's plenty of modded servers out there, with towns, and MMO plugins, and other features
#835 [16:47] <GreyVulpine> sisk - Nope
#836 [16:47] <Morrolan> Psychad - I prefer cinnamon-SMP myself.
#837 [16:47] <Morrolan> sisk - If you know your old seed you can change it in the .dat file using a tool like NBTEdit.
#838 [16:47] <Psychad> funny, I happen to have this hobby of making cinnamon-liquer
#839 [16:48] <Morrolan> Heh.
#840 [16:48] <oldtopman> Psychad: I warn you though, you'll find that all the plugins will bore you one day. Try vanilla a little before putting minecraft up on the collector's shelf.
#841 [16:49] <Morrolan> Don't listen to oldtopman, he's an old granny.
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#843 [16:49] <sisk> I have hourly backups, so not too concerned. The world still exists, new land is just mis-matched now. Wish there was a way to force it to keep the same seed somehow.
#844 [16:49] <Morrolan> It's all about the people you play with and your projects. :D
#845 [16:49] <oldtopman> sisk: Sometimes the backups get screwey, try some of the older ones.
#846 [16:49] <Psychad> sisk: I would take the backup
#847 [16:50] <Psychad> I haven't played minecraft for many months (not since beta 1.8.1)
#848 [16:50] <Morrolan> sisk - Just change the seed back to the one it was before. Since the world generation might have changed though, you might still get non-matching chunks.
#849 [16:50] <Psychad> but i got some new hardware at work and thought i would bring up a couple of servers again
#850 [16:51] <Psychad> Morrolan: I just set up an IPv6-only server and posted it in/on several places, so far: no one has logged in
#851 [16:51] <oldtopman> Psychad: You're welcome to play on mine if you like. I run a straight vanilla one.
#852 [16:51] <Psychad> And I tried hunger ga es yesterday but I died
#853 [16:51] <Morrolan> Psychad - There's a crapload of servers out there, far too many.
#854 [16:51] <sisk> Ok. Thanks fellas. I'll be sure to get this sucker on a battery asap. Adios!
#855 [16:51] <Morrolan> Makes it hard to really get a lot of people to play on one.
#856 [16:51] <Psychad> I just gather my IRL friends when I play
#857 [16:52] <Psychad> but one of them is an unemployed gamerjunkie who loves grindergames. so whenever the rest of us comes home from work he has destroyed the map.
#858 [16:52] <Psychad> And there's a reason he's unemployed, he's very unorganized
#859 [16:53] <Psychad> Actually.. I'm looking for this one server I saw on youtube
#860 [16:54] <Psychad> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYAzZQ80W9g
#861 [16:54] <Psychad> and.. does ANYONE know the name of that song?
#862 [16:54] <Morrolan> " C418 minecraft remix"
#863 [16:55] <Morrolan> Sounds like a remix of one of C418'2 songs. :P
#864 [16:55] <Morrolan> Chances of that server still being around are small btw, seeing as the video is from 2010, but you certainly can try.
#865 [16:55] <Psychad> I figured as much but still haven't been able to find it
#866 [16:55] <Psychad> So, what makes a server epic? Like if I had huge resources to make a powerful server, what would one do that others can't?
#867 [16:56] <Morrolan> It's all about gathering a community I'd say.
#868 [16:56] <Morrolan> Since, well, there are servers for pretty much every playstyle out there.
#869 [16:56] <Morrolan> Loads of hunger games, since the movie came out.
#870 [16:56] <Psychad> crap, then i'd have to gather friends and stuff
#871 [16:56] <Morrolan> Just take a look at the server section of the forums, at the amount of posts per second, and the diversity.
#872 [16:57] <Morrolan> It really is hard to have something unique.
#873 [16:57] <Psychad> Yea, I noticed
#874 [16:57] <Psychad> Do people have high-end servers?
#875 [16:57] <Psychad> like with lots of ram/cpu/bandwidth?
#876 [16:57] <Morrolan> There is a number of high end servers out there, yes.
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#878 [16:57] <oldtopman> Psychad: I ran into success by gathering mature players, and gathering about 10 or so people to play, which means it's busy every evening. But there are months with almost nobody on :/
#879 [16:57] <Morrolan> The big ones obviously have "big" hardware.
#880 [16:57] <Psychad> something maybe where you could be supermany logged in at once
#881 [16:58] <Morrolan> The reddit server is one of the big ones for example.
#882 [16:58] <Morrolan> Recently I've stumbled across a community which had four servers with I think 50 slots each, each one was nearly full.
#883 [16:59] <Morrolan> But your average server is run on a small VPS and has maybe 5 regulars. Or is just hosted for friends. *shrug*
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#885 [16:59] <Psychad> shrug? =)
#886 [16:59] <Psychad> does minecraft_server.jar thread well on multiple cpus ?
#887 [16:59] <GreyVulpine> No
#888 [16:59] <Psychad> ouch
#889 [17:00] <ArcticHusky> Hey Guys i have a big question... Why do you need MC forge for mods?
#890 [17:00] <Psychad> now that's a problem
#891 [17:00] <GreyVulpine> ArcticHusky - because, natively, minecraft does not support mods
#892 [17:00] <ArcticHusky> Oh...Cuz i get so confused on how Mc forge works
#893 [17:00] <GreyVulpine> People rewrite parts of minecraft to add in hooks and API to let modders change the behavior of minecraft
#894 [17:00] <GreyVulpine> Natively, minecraft does not have an API
#895 [17:01] <ArcticHusky> But mo' Creatures used to not require forge, now it does
#896 [17:01] <AmberK> An API being, things that you can "hook" into, basically different methods you can apply to make coder simpler
#897 [17:01] <ArcticHusky> thats what i dont get
#898 [17:01] <GreyVulpine> Go ask the people who made Mo'creatures.
#899 [17:01] <Morrolan> They might have modded the .jar directly, which is a pain in the behind, or they used an alternative like modloade.
#900 [17:01] <Morrolan> modloader*
#901 [17:01] <AmberK> code*
#902 [17:01] <ArcticHusky> Sorry to bother you guys :(
#903 [17:01] <Morrolan> Either way, I'll go and hug my bed, g'night. ;)
#904 [17:02] * GreyVulpine waves
#904 [17:02] <ArcticHusky> I just didnt know the difference :P
#905 [17:02] * ArcticHusky hi
#905 [17:02] <ArcticHusky> oh cool lol
#906 [17:02] <GreyVulpine> There's thousands upon thousands of different minecraft mods out there, along with that many modders, all who either code from scratch, or build upon a set API that another modder has created
#907 [17:02] <ArcticHusky> Ok....
#908 [17:02] <GreyVulpine> maybe that API that somebody else made, made it easier to mod, or made it easier for others to install their mod
#909 [17:02] <ArcticHusky> I am not a modder but i will eventually figure this out...
#910 [17:03] <ArcticHusky> ok im starting to catch on now
#911 [17:03] <GreyVulpine> Or they had features that they didn't want to just outright copy
#912 [17:03] <GreyVulpine> And instead, just used the API's methods instead
#913 [17:03] <ArcticHusky> oh ok
#914 [17:03] <GreyVulpine> There's about as many reasons to code differently, as there are coders out there.
#915 [17:03] <ArcticHusky> But i dont get how the MC forge works... can you still put the mod files into the Minecraft.jar?
#916 [17:03] <ArcticHusky> and run Forge?
#917 [17:04] <ArcticHusky> Cuz i really want Mo' Creatures :)
#918 [17:04] <GreyVulpine> MCforge is an API
#919 [17:04] <ArcticHusky> oh
#920 [17:04] <GreyVulpine> You need to install that, before installing mods that depend on it for hooks
#921 [17:04] <ArcticHusky> So...Its just an Addon to the MC client basically?
#922 [17:04] <GreyVulpine> Basically, yes.
#923 [17:04] <ArcticHusky> oh ok... Thank You
#924 [17:04] <ArcticHusky> Bunnies here i come xD
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#930 [17:09] <ArcticHusky> GOD.... Lots of things to download for Mo' Creatures
#931 [17:09] <ArcticHusky> lolololol
#932 [17:09] <ArcticHusky> lolololol
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#934 [17:15] <ArcticHusky> Can someone help me?
#935 [17:16] <WugBot> ArcticHusky: (ww) Help you with what? Please describe the problem in detail.
#936 [17:16] <ArcticHusky> Umm, I downloaded everything i needed for Mo' Creatures and it wont work :(
#937 [17:16] <ArcticHusky> Hello?
#938 [17:16] <ArcticHusky> Can someone help me....
#939 [17:16] <WugBot> ArcticHusky: (ww) Help you with what? Please describe the problem in detail.
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#941 [17:17] <ArcticHusky> I downloaded everything i needed for Mo' Creatures and it wont work
#942 [17:17] <ArcticHusky> Hello? Anyone there?
#943 [17:17] <oldtopman> ??> ArcticHusky mods
#944 [17:17] <VoxelHead> ArcticHusky: (mods) This channel is not a venue for mod support, or support for modded servers
#945 [17:17] <VoxelHead> ArcticHusky: (mods) as it is impossible for anybody to know every combination of mods out there, this channel does not assist with unofficial third-party modded content.;;For single player mods, contact the mod's creator or try http://tiny.cc/modinstall for general installation instructions. For bukkit help, use #bukkit; you can also try using Google to search for a mod's installation instructions.
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#948 [17:25] <kb_gt> free comic book kh43.com
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#951 [17:28] <Eddie> Losers.
#952 [17:28] <Eddie> >:(
#953 [17:29] <Boreeas> I saw that guy yesterday somewhere
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#959 [18:15] <Liquidinfirmity> So, I just tried to buy the game, And according to the Visa cuostomer service guy the transaction can't go through because of a federal law prohibiting international sales, And moneybookers is based out of the UK. :|
#960 [18:15] <Liquidinfirmity> Wat Do?
#961 [18:16] <Scott> Liquidinfirmity: Paying with a gift card or prepaid card?
#962 [18:17] <oldtopman> Liquidinfirmity: PayPal, or bicker with Visa.
#963 [18:17] <oldtopman> Scott: Prepaid/gifts are blocked even harder than regular cards.
#964 [18:17] <Scott> They're blocked because federal law requires banks to retain info about their customers such as their SSN and other personal information.
#965 [18:17] <Liquidinfirmity> It's a prepaid visa, not gift. I thought they stopped selling with paypal because of a bunch of frodulant sales or something?
#966 [18:17] <Scott> If you provide that info, the erstriction is gone.
#967 [18:17] <Scott> restriction*
#968 [18:17] <Scott> and Paypal will abide by the restrictions.
#969 [18:18] <Liquidinfirmity> Paypal has my SSN, But I question if they'll do it because they're currently locking me from drawing from my bank account because they claim the correct info they have can't be cerified.
#970 [18:18] <Liquidinfirmity> verified*
#971 [18:19] <Scott> Just call Visa back and tell them you want to make an international purchase
#972 [18:19] <Scott> you probably got a lemon rep
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#974 [18:20] <Liquidinfirmity> Man, I'm going to end up paying more for all these service calls than I am for minecraft, aren't I?
#975 [18:20] <Liquidinfirmity> Anyone know if 1-899 numbers count as long-distance?
#976 [18:20] <oldtopman> Liquidinfirmity: Prepaid? That's not going international at all, sorry.
#977 [18:20] <Liquidinfirmity> *1-866.
#978 [18:22] <Liquidinfirmity> So the only way to get the game is to either get a full credit card, currently unable to because of lack of credit. Send the money to paypal and risk having them claim I'm commiting fraud with my own money and stealing it, Or immigrating to brittan.
#979 [18:22] <Liquidinfirmity> That about the weight of it?
#980 [18:23] <oldtopman> Liquidinfirmity: Yep.
#981 [18:23] <oldtopman> Don't you just lurve yourself some paypal :3
#982 [18:23] <Liquidinfirmity> Well, My jimmies are rustled. Screw it, Buying skyrim instead.
#983 [18:24] <oldtopman> Liquidinfirmity: Actually, I suppose I could buy it for you, but how would you pay me :/
#984 [18:24] <oldtopman> Nevermind
#985 [18:24] <Liquidinfirmity> Wait, would that work? I could always have the payment from Visa sent to your paypal.
#986 [18:24] <oldtopman> Hmm, I suppose you could.
#987 [18:25] * oldtopman wonderates
#987 [18:25] <Liquidinfirmity> I have no idea what that means.
#988 [18:25] <oldtopman> Neither do I.
#989 [18:25] <oldtopman> Liquidinfirmity: I wouldn't do it, you could never trust me.
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#991 [18:26] <AG_Clinton> Get a debit card.
#992 [18:26] <oldtopman> So many people using stolen cards to buy minecraft, then having the charge reversed, and then having premium revoked.
#993 [18:26] <oldtopman> Some of these go on for years.
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#995 [18:26] <oldtopman> Yes, yes, better to get it yourself.
#996 [18:26] <Liquidinfirmity> Honestly, I'd rather do that than complain to India one more time about paypal... then again, I have friends who could do it for me. So thanks for the idea. :D
#997 [18:27] <AG_Clinton> You can walk into just about any bank with $30 cash and open a bank account and get a debit card.
#998 [18:27] <oldtopman> But yeah, get some friends with proper credit cards, have them buy it for you, pay them in ca$h
#999 [18:28] <Liquidinfirmity> Or just send the total for skyrim to paypal now, try once, and if it doesn't work use my already linked to paypal steam account to get it.
#1000 [18:28] <Liquidinfirmity> The second it being skyrim instead. I type horribly when I'm angry.
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#1002 [18:32] <Liquidinfirmity> Thanks for the advice, going with the paypal thing. Wish me luck.
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#1012 [20:12] <Dubtube> I am still in need of competent builders for the building contest I am running. You will actually get paid for working with us. Send me a message if interested
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#1015 [20:15] <fault> rules.
#1016 [20:15] <fault> 8. Unsolicited advertisements are not permitted. This includes hosting services, IRC channels, web sites, and yak-shaving services.
#1017 [20:17] <Collin> i just saw that too
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#1021 [20:41] <Ovirew> hi, room
#1022 [20:42] <Ovirew> anybody around atm?
#1023 [20:43] <DiskDaemon> sure
#1024 [20:43] <Ovirew> hi disk
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#1026 [20:43] <Ovirew> so I haven't really been here before
#1027 [20:44] <Ovirew> but I'm trying to set up a server, at least a lan one, and it's been problematic
#1028 [20:44] <DiskDaemon> nope, can't help with that
#1029 [20:44] <Ovirew> oi alright
#1030 [20:44] <Ovirew> you know if anyone here might be able to?>
#1031 [20:44] <DiskDaemon> They'll speak up if there are
#1032 [20:44] <Ovirew> alright
#1033 [20:45] <Ovirew> I imagine they get questions about this very thing a lot
#1034 [20:46] <DiskDaemon> What have you tried so far?
#1035 [20:48] <Ovirew> well
#1036 [20:49] <DiskDaemon> For example, have you followed the advice and instructions from articles such as http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/260900-how-to-set-up-your-own-local-area-network-lan-server/
#1037 [20:49] <Ovirew> I was reading this website's instructions: http://www.howtogeek.com/58968/how-to-start-your-own-minecraft-server/
#1038 [20:50] <Ovirew> I encounter problems almost immediately
#1039 [20:50] <Ovirew> Whenever I try to run the server program, it just keeps loading and loading, and seems to keep repeating the same thing
#1040 [20:50] <Ovirew> and it never really goes anywhere
#1041 [20:51] <Ovirew> furthermore, I can't seem to figure out exactly what these websites are telling me to do first, they kind of jump around between the steps
#1042 [20:51] <DiskDaemon> Since you seem to want to run it as a LAN server, that article you linked to seems to have nothing to do with that
#1043 [20:52] <Ovirew> well, it can be either or I guess
#1044 [20:52] <Ovirew> I have some buddies that play from the Internet
#1045 [20:52] <Ovirew> so it might be nice to know how to do that as well
#1046 [20:52] <Ovirew> but this topic you gave me says that you make a normal server first anyways
#1047 [20:52] <Ovirew> which I guess includes the online stuff
#1048 [20:55] <Ovirew> it's too bad they didn't make some program that automatically sets up servers for you, lol
#1049 [20:57] <Ovirew> bleh, it just kind of makes my head spin, I might come back again some other time when more people are present
#1050 [20:57] <Ovirew> maybe someone can walk me through it sometime
#1051 [20:57] <Ovirew> thanks for your time, Disk
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#1053 [21:04] <Guest_> Hi. My son and I are playing Minecraft at home. Playing "off line". Is this legal?
#1054 [21:04] <Guest_> We did not buy minecraft. Just set up accounts.
#1055 [21:04] <DiskDaemon> Where did you get the game from?
#1056 [21:05] <Guest_> downloaded it from the download page from minecraft.
#1057 [21:05] <Guest_> .jar file.
#1058 [21:06] <DiskDaemon> In that case I suspect that you may be allowed to play it
#1059 [21:08] <Guest_> Ok. Thanks. My next question is. We tried to set it up on a different computer and i did everything the same. But all it says is "game not downloaded."
#1060 [21:08] <oldtopman> Guest_: That's the issue. The file you downloaded is just a launcher.
#1061 [21:08] <DiskDaemon> The launcher has an Options button hn which you can force and update, which downlods the game
#1062 [21:09] <oldtopman> The launcher needs to see valid game keys before it will download the rest of the game.
#1063 [21:09] <oldtopman> Guest_: I presume that you have not bought the game :/
#1064 [21:09] <Guest_> So the reason for the first question is I want to buy him the game but if it will not work on the computers he uses i will try to get him on different games.
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#1066 [21:10] <pabuttego> Hi, I just joined minecraft and I was wondering how to find my friends...
#1067 [21:10] <DiskDaemon> There is no such system for Minecraft
#1068 [21:11] <pabuttego> Oh okay thanks
#1069 [21:11] <pabuttego> bye
#1070 [21:11] <oldtopman> ??< demo
#1071 [21:12] <oldtopman> ??> Guest_ demo
#1072 [21:12] <VoxelHead> Guest_: (demo) Minecraft now has a demo available. PCGamer's article here: http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/04/19/download-the-minecraft-demo/ gives the details. In short, it has all the tools of Minecraft survival, and 'locks' itself after 90 minutes.
#1073 [21:12] <VoxelHead> Guest_: (demo) The Direct Download link is available here: http://is.gd/l507ow
#1074 [21:12] <oldtopman> Guest_: It's a slightly older version, but chances are if that runs, the new one will too.
#1075 [21:16] <Guest_> Sorry for such confusing questions. We use ubuntu. And I have never bought a game before. If we buy it can the whole family use it. 4 computers?
#1076 [21:17] <Moose> <DiskDaemon> There is no such system for Minecraft
#1077 [21:17] <Moose> actually, I believe there was a mod created by medsouz(?) that is such a system.
#1078 [21:17] <Guest_> So I would have to buy more then one game for everyone to play?
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#1080 [21:27] <oldtopman> Guest_: Everybody who wants to play would need a copy.
#1081 [21:27] <Guest_> Thanks guys. I will try the demo to make sure it works. Then buy the game. I don't know how its working on the one computer but my son lves it and has many hours on it already.
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#1083 [21:28] <oldtopman> If less than one person needs to play at a time, you could do with less, but if you want to play together you need 1 copy per person.
#1084 [21:29] <Guest_> Ok. we wouldn't play together and i would rather him not get on servers. He is young. just off line is fine for now. But on HIS computer not mine....lol
#1085 [21:30] <Guest_> Thanks again. bye
#1086 [21:31] <oldtopman> Guest_: Offline just means that it doesn't check the minecraft servers for updates.
#1087 [21:31] <oldtopman> Joining a server is a different matter entirely
#1088 [21:32] <Guest_> He is 10. Is there a way to keep him off servers other then just telling him not to?
#1089 [21:33] <DiskDaemon> You can block the multiplayer port at the router
#1090 [21:33] <Guest_> ok.
#1091 [21:33] <DiskDaemon> That would be port 25565
#1092 [21:34] <oldtopman> Guest_: Yes, if you don't give him the password to the account, he'll be forced to play offline.
#1093 [21:34] <oldtopman> But you can login periodically to get updates for him.
#1094 [21:34] <oldtopman> The firewall option is easily bypassed, I'm afraid :/
#1095 [21:34] <DiskDaemon> damn
#1096 [21:34] <Guest_> Ok. Thanks. I will do that.
#1097 [21:35] <oldtopman> Alright, come on back when you get it :)
#1098 [21:35] <oldtopman> If you have any more questions, that is.
#1099 [21:35] <Guest_> ok.
#1100 [21:35] <oldtopman> DiskDaemon: Yeah, a lot of servers use odd ports, so he just needs to find one of those and presto :/
#1101 [21:35] <DiskDaemon> indeed
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#1104 [21:50] <Guest_> Ok. just bought it. I don't know why he was able to play it before but does he need to play it on 64bit computer?
#1105 [21:59] <DiskDaemon> If you have a 32-bit computer it can be played on that too. There isn't any inherent benefit to playing on either
#1106 [22:04] <Omega_Guardian> these days any computer should be 64 bit hardware and OS. It'll run 32 bit stuff fine but mainly a allows for using more then 4 gb of RAM
#1107 [22:06] <Guest_> I agree. but only 1 of the computers here are 64 bit.
#1108 [22:07] <Guest_> Thanks for all of your help. gonna go play minecraft now... :)
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#1117 [23:26] <aChunkyGorilla> How do i get good weapons for the zombies at night?
#1118 [23:26] <DiskDaemon> Such as diamond swords?
#1119 [23:26] <aChunkyGorilla> Yes...
#1120 [23:26] <DiskDaemon> Mine diamond, then make a sword from it
#1121 [23:26] <Wug> you craft them from diamonds
#1122 [23:26] <Wug> iron stuff is decent too
#1123 [23:26] <DiskDaemon> You can also enchant your weapons
#1124 [23:27] <aChunkyGorilla> Mutherfucking pussy ass nigga ass bitch fucking bitch...thanks for the fucking sex u gave me in the asshole
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#1126 [23:27] <DiskDaemon> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Enchanting
#1127 [23:27] <Wug> ..
#1128 [23:28] <Wug> that was not polite
#1129 [23:28] <DiskDaemon> Having armor helps to limit the damage you get when up close to enemies
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#1131 [23:28] <DiskDaemon> And of course, using a Bow helps to keep you at a distance, so that they can't get to hit you
#1132 [23:29] <Wug> DiskDaemon: uhh
#1133 [23:30] <DiskDaemon> You can also crate potions, such as splash damage potions, that you can throw at enemies
#1134 [23:31] <DiskDaemon> grenade-like
#1135 [23:31] <Wug> DiskDaemon: have you noticed that hes not here
#1136 [23:31] <DiskDaemon> Oh fuckit, the details there eluded
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