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#6 [01:06] <xPrezidential> Anyone care to help me? Send me a query if so.
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#8 [01:10] <DiskDaemon> xPrezidential: In what way?
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#10 [01:17] <DiskDaemon> xPrezidential: Whenever you query or private message me, that turns up in whichever random channel window that I have open, so if you want to hold a coherent conversation, please ensure that it remains in this channel.
#11 [01:20] <clarjon1> ....
#12 [01:20] <clarjon1> That's a pretty cruddy client
#13 [01:20] <clarjon1> My client keeps PM/Queries separate.
#14 [01:21] <clarjon1> no offense intended, of course, DiskDaemon
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#16 [01:21] <DiskDaemon> Mine does too if I open up a separate window for such things, but I choose not to
#17 [01:22] <DiskDaemon> Because, a separate window has to then be opened up for each differnt person that the query or private message is with, after the fact, which gets tired really quickly
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#33 [04:24] <yesmayam> Hey I know everyone is busy but can someone please tell me, when they have the opportunity, if it's possible to re-download after your original computer crashes? I have a knew one now and haven't reinstalled it yet. Anytime
#34 [04:24] <yesmayam> Okay looks like it's not that busy in here... lucky me
#35 [04:25] <WizardCM> yesmayam: you're going to have to be more specific
#36 [04:25] <WizardCM> if you mean minecraft, you can redownload as many times as you like
#37 [04:25] <GreyVulpine> Redownload minecraft? Yes, just go to www.minecraft.net/download
#38 [04:25] <yesmayam> My last computer crashed, which was the one I have installed Minecraft on originally, the one I'm on now is the new one
#39 [04:25] <WizardCM> on as many computers as you want
#40 [04:25] <yesmayam> Sweet Jesus....
#41 [04:25] <GreyVulpine> Redownload your saved files/world? Not unless you have access to the original computer
#42 [04:25] <WizardCM> ^
#43 [04:26] <yesmayam> I'm beginning to believe Minecraft will soon release the four horsemen of the Apocalypse... this just keep getting better and better...
#44 [04:26] <WizardCM> xD
#45 [04:26] <yesmayam> I was referring to redownloading the game, I assumed my files wouldn't be saved on there :(
#46 [04:26] <yesmayam> which sucks because I found the coolest stuff in there, but oh well..
#47 [04:26] <GreyVulpine> Then yes, go to http://www.minecraft.net/download
#48 [04:27] <yesmayam> Okay thanks guys, much appreciated
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#50 [04:42] <xPrezidential> Hello all. I got Minecraft last night and I haven't really got far in singleplayer (made it through a few nights), but I'm looking for a server to play on that'd be good for beginners. Any suggestions?
#51 [04:42] <WizardCM> xPrezidential: with that kind of question, you'll basically get a bunch of advertisers :P
#52 [04:42] <WizardCM> people will basically advertise their own server
#53 [04:43] <xPrezidential> Mhm... I figured someone would actually recommend a decent server though.
#54 [04:43] <WizardCM> However, I do know of a server that may suit your needs.. http://mc.twit.tv - ip - mc.twit.tv
#55 [04:43] <WizardCM> i don't own it, i'm not an admin/mod
#56 [04:44] <WizardCM> but i've seen many of the players help out each other frequently
#57 [04:45] <GreyVulpine> if you're looking for servers..
#58 [04:45] <GreyVulpine> ?? smp/servers
#59 [04:45] <VoxelHead> smp/servers: There currently is no master list of all SMP servers. Fan-made indexes include http://minestatus.net/ - http://www.mcserverlist.net/ - http://www.reddit.com/r/mcservers - http://minecraftservers.net/ - http://minecraft.dk/mcserverlist/
#60 [04:45] <VoxelHead> smp/servers: You can also find a list at the MC forums at http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewforum.php?f=1025. Also, try the #smp channel.
#61 [04:46] <GreyVulpine> Also, please don't advertise servers here. It's not the point of this channel.
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#63 [05:38] <Jerome2232> Hi all, I was wondering if someone could help me with my issue. For some reason after killing the enderdragon no death animation takes place, and no partal is created. Effectively trapping me in The End. Is there away to fix this? Or do I have to suicide.
#64 [05:40] <WizardCM> Jerome2232: has this happened more than once? is this single or multi player? creative or survival?
#65 [05:40] <Jerome2232> Thi happens in every instance I've played. Singleplayer only. Ive tried this on 5 different seeds. 3 of which I randomly generated.
#66 [05:41] <WizardCM> have you tried reinstalling minecraft?
#67 [05:41] <Jerome2232> At least once, but for unrelated issues. But the issue was ongoing at the time.
#68 [05:42] <WizardCM> clean installation, no mods?
#69 [05:42] <Jerome2232> I cant recall if I tried recreating it without mods. Could mods cause this issue?
#70 [05:42] <Jerome2232> All I'm using is TooManyItems and Skyrimcraft
#71 [05:43] <WizardCM> it's possible that skyrimcraft might break something like this
#72 [05:43] <WizardCM> try it on a clean installation
#73 [05:43] <WizardCM> and let me know how it goes
#74 [05:44] <Jerome2232> Cool man. I appreciate the help!
#75 [05:44] <Jerome2232> Ill let you know if this fixes it
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#77 [05:56] <Jerome2232> WizardCM - It was the mods. Thanks so much for fixing my problem!
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#81 [06:31] <kingofpikachus> Does anyone use the mod single player commands?
#82 [06:32] <WizardCM> kingofpikachus: i do
#83 [06:32] <WizardCM> what's up?
#84 [06:32] <kingofpikachus> i cannt find the item and block codes
#85 [06:33] <WizardCM> im not sure spc provides them, you may need to use http://www.minecraftwiki.net/images/3/33/ItemslistV110.png
#86 [06:35] <kingofpikachus> ill try it
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#92 [08:08] <slide> Is there any way to not have a redstone lamp power adjacent lamps?
#93 [08:09] <WizardCM> i don't believe so
#94 [08:09] <Calinou> a redstone lamp is a opaque block, iirc
#95 [08:10] <WizardCM> it works as many blocks do, forwarding power 1 or 2 blocks forward. I have not seen a way to get around that
#96 [08:16] <slide> aha!
#97 [08:17] <slide> since i have a row of lamps, if i power one above the lamp, only the lamp i want lights up
#98 [08:17] <slide> power a block above
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#105 [08:55] <kleinebaas> So, I tried to make a server agin today.
#106 [08:56] <kleinebaas> However, it continiously shows the error "cannot bind to port"
#107 [08:56] <kleinebaas> Binding to another port doesn't help, nor does deactivating the firewall.
#108 [08:57] <kleinebaas> ...halp?
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#111 [09:32] <kleinebaas> I'm still waiting for an answer...
#112 [09:33] <kleinebaas> It happens on both a bukkit and vanilla server.
#113 [09:37] <DiskDaemon> I would test with a fresh install of windows - does the problem then fix itself?
#114 [09:38] <kleinebaas> Fresh install of windows?
#115 [09:38] <kleinebaas> Well, it worked on this installation before ._.
#116 [09:38] <GreyVulpine> Problem would be either that you have an entry in server-ip of server.properties
#117 [09:39] <GreyVulpine> or the server is already running in the background
#118 [09:39] <DiskDaemon> That's good, so something that was done between then and now must be responsible for the problem
#119 [09:39] <kleinebaas> server-ip is blank, and all server GUI's are closed and javaw.exe is shut down
#120 [09:39] <GreyVulpine> Could we get the server.log pasted at www.pastebin.com?
#121 [09:39] <kleinebaas> sure
#122 [09:39] <kleinebaas> wait a moment ^_^
#123 [09:41] <kleinebaas> http://pastebin.com/XUiuz5W0
#124 [09:41] <kleinebaas> I also allowed port 12345 being accessed by all programs with firewall
#125 [09:41] <kleinebaas> TCP & UCP
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#133 [10:01] <kleinebaas> I have no idea what is causing the issue.
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#135 [10:15] <Ovirew> morning room, anyone about?
#136 [10:15] <AmberK> mhmm
#137 [10:16] <AmberK> afternoon here
#138 [10:16] <DiskDaemon> late night here
#139 [10:16] <kleinebaas> 16:16 here
#140 [10:16] <Ovirew> oh, good evening then lol
#141 [10:16] <Ovirew> well, I asked disk yesterday
#142 [10:17] <Ovirew> But I'm looking for some help setting up a server
#143 [10:17] <Ovirew> like maybe someone that can kind of help me step by step
#144 [10:18] <xales> Ovirew: You may have the best luck with something like this: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Tutorials/Setting_up_a_server
#145 [10:18] <Ovirew> I've read the Minecraft wiki one
#146 [10:18] <Ovirew> it is kind of vague and confusing about some things
#147 [10:20] <Ovirew> like when I start up the server program it doesn't seem to do anything, but they don't get real in-depth about the process, they just assume you get through that okay and move onto the next step
#148 [10:20] <xales> What do you mean by "doesn't seem to do anything"?
#149 [10:20] <Ovirew> it has stuff written at the side, but it seems to repeat the same two or three lines
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#151 [10:20] <AmberK> mind pasting one of those?
#152 [10:20] <Ovirew> and there's no mention anywhere of how long the process should take, either
#153 [10:21] <Ovirew> sure let me run it
#154 [10:21] <AmberK> That would be because it varyies
#155 [10:21] <AmberK> varies*
#156 [10:22] <Ovirew> okay, it seems to say something like
#157 [10:22] <Ovirew> at sv.b (Source File 37) and at sv.a (Source File 29)
#158 [10:22] <AmberK> That would be an error
#159 [10:22] <Ovirew> and it just keeps alternating those two lines
#160 [10:22] <AmberK> what version are you using? bukkit? vanilla?
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#162 [10:23] <Ovirew> vanilla
#163 [10:23] <AmberK> are you adding mods to it?
#164 [10:23] <Ovirew> no
#165 [10:23] <AmberK> Mind putting the whole error to http://pastebin.com?
#166 [10:23] <Ovirew> how do I do that?
#167 [10:23] <AmberK> highlight and then copy
#168 [10:24] <AmberK> then paste to that site
#169 [10:24] <Ovirew> hmm
#170 [10:24] <Ovirew> I'm not quite sure how to copy the text though
#171 [10:24] <AmberK> Wait, the vanilla client does support copy/paste, no?
#172 [10:24] <AmberK> Alright, try stopping the server
#173 [10:24] <Ovirew> how do I stop it
#174 [10:24] <AmberK> and opening the server.log file
#175 [10:24] <AmberK> type "stop" into console
#176 [10:24] <AmberK> without quotes
#177 [10:24] <Ovirew> there is no server.log file
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#179 [10:25] <AmberK> Go to the very top of the "at sv.b (Source File 37) and at sv.a (Source File 29)"
#180 [10:25] <AmberK> and see what it says
#181 [10:25] <AmberK> you could even just screenshot it
#182 [10:25] <Ovirew> whenever I try to go to the top it keeps bumping it down
#183 [10:25] <Ovirew> I don't know how to stop the server
#184 [10:26] <Ovirew> but it says something like generating new properties file
#185 [10:26] <Ovirew> then it says
#186 [10:26] <Ovirew> failed to generate server.properties...
#187 [10:26] <Ovirew> can't read the rest yet
#188 [10:27] <Ovirew> java.io.FileFoundException
#189 [10:27] <Ovirew> or something
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#191 [10:27] <Ovirew> FileNotFoundException
#192 [10:28] <AmberK> so then
#193 [10:28] <AmberK> I'm guessing this is your first run ^^
#194 [10:28] <Ovirew> yeah
#195 [10:28] <Ovirew> I haven't had a server before
#196 [10:28] <AmberK> that's perfectly normal then
#197 [10:28] <AmberK> it means the files are not there, and that it will create them
#198 [10:29] <Ovirew> so it's normal that it keeps saying the same two things and nothing else?
#199 [10:29] <AmberK> question
#200 [10:29] <AmberK> is it white text on a black background, or black text on a white background?
#201 [10:29] <Ovirew> black text white background
#202 [10:29] <AmberK> below all the errors
#203 [10:29] <AmberK> type "stop"
#204 [10:29] <AmberK> there's a bar for input
#205 [10:30] <Ovirew> I did twice now that you said that, but it's still going
#206 [10:30] <Ovirew> lol
#207 [10:32] <Ovirew> it keeps saying generating new properties file and failed to save server properties at the very bottom off and on as well
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#209 [10:34] <AmberK> Hmm
#210 [10:34] <AmberK> mind screenshotting it
#211 [10:35] <Ovirew> I did, let me upload it to my imageshack
#212 [10:37] <Ovirew> http://imageshack.us/f/204/serverfails.jpg/
#213 [10:37] <Ovirew> that link work out alright?
#214 [10:43] <Ovirew> *pokes AmberK*
#215 [10:44] <AmberK> >.>
#216 [10:44] <AmberK> se
#217 [10:44] <AmberK> Where did you put the server?
#218 [10:45] <Ovirew> it's in my program files, under a Mojang folder I created
#219 [10:45] <Ovirew> since by default Minecraft just kind of goes wherever you put it
#220 [10:45] <AmberK> Move it to a folder on your desktop
#221 [10:45] <Ovirew> okay
#222 [10:45] <Ovirew> hang on then
#223 [10:47] <Ovirew> wow
#224 [10:47] <Ovirew> okay, this is new
#225 [10:47] <Ovirew> lol
#226 [10:47] <AmberK> Wll
#227 [10:47] <AmberK> the software itself
#228 [10:47] <AmberK> doesn't have permissinos to write to the C: files directly
#229 [10:47] <AmberK> So it will have difficulties
#230 [10:48] <Ovirew> [INFO] Starting minecraft server version 1.2.5 [INFO] Loading properties [WARNING] server.properties does not exist [INFO] Generating new properties file [INFO] Starting Minecraft server on *:25565 [WARNING] Failed to load ban list: java.io.FileNotFoundException: banned-players.txt (The system cannot find the file specified) [WARNING] Failed to load ip ban li
#231 [10:48] <Ovirew> uhh well it worked though
#232 [10:48] <Ovirew> [INFO] Preparing level "world" [INFO] Default game type: 0 [INFO] Preparing start region for level 0 [INFO] Preparing spawn area: 4% [INFO] Preparing spawn area: 16% [INFO] Preparing spawn area: 28% [INFO] Preparing spawn area: 40% [INFO] Preparing spawn area: 52% [INFO] Preparing spawn area: 65% [INFO] Preparing spawn area: 77% [INFO] Preparing spawn area: 8
#233 [10:48] <Ovirew> there
#234 [10:48] <Ovirew> hmm... character limits
#235 [10:48] <Ovirew> so I guess the server is setup...
#236 [10:48] <Ovirew> How does one portforward?
#237 [10:48] <AmberK> Have you port forwaded?
#238 [10:48] <AmberK> nvm then
#239 [10:48] <AmberK> There's a bit of a two-step process
#240 [10:49] <Ovirew> first you gotta find your IP, right/
#241 [10:49] <clarjon1> First you gotta find your Router's IP
#242 [10:49] <clarjon1> and your LAN IP
#243 [10:49] <AmberK> I've outlined the first half here: http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1202413-common-answers-faq/#pf
#244 [10:50] <clarjon1> AmberK: seeing as you make reference to Linux in that guide, you might want to put the correct command for Linux as well -- ifconfig
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#246 [10:50] <AmberK> I do darjon
#247 [10:50] <AmberK> it's in a different part >->
#248 [10:50] <AmberK> under finding ip's
#249 [10:51] <clarjon1> I'm in the "For your router" spoiler
#250 [10:51] <clarjon1> you tell the user to type in ipconfig for windows and linux
#251 [10:51] <AmberK> not for windows
#252 [10:51] <AmberK> I say if linux, assuming knowledge
#253 [10:51] <Guest___> ๆๆๆๆ
#254 [10:51] <AmberK> maybe I could say reference below
#255 [10:51] <clarjon1> Easiest way to do this (port forwarding), hit the start menu, and search for "CMD" (terminal for linux, I'm assuming you know this). In that, you type "ipconfig", and find these two lines:
#256 [10:51] <AmberK> I know what it says >_>
#257 [10:52] <clarjon1> and i know a great deal of Linux users who have never used a terminal before :)
#258 [10:52] <Ovirew> this is pretty informative amber
#259 [10:52] <AmberK> "Your IP, and which ones to use:"
#260 [10:52] <AmberK> check that section
#261 [10:52] <AmberK> I might just reference that
#262 [10:52] <Ovirew> I've actually drifted there
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#264 [10:53] <AmberK> People usually overcomplicate port-forwarding
#265 [10:53] <AmberK> at lot of their problems are actually a firewall
#266 [10:53] <ThaMrX> Hey, i've got minecraft xbox edition today
#267 [10:53] <ThaMrX> but i lost my brother, how do i find him?
#268 [10:53] <ThaMrX> playing splitscreen
#269 [10:54] <Ovirew> if either of you die you return to the same respawn point
#270 [10:54] <clarjon1> Hmm
#271 [10:54] <Ovirew> at least that's how it is in the PC version, I assume it's the same here
#272 [10:54] <clarjon1> I guess XBL doesn't have the Handy Dandy Debug screen
#273 [10:55] <ThaMrX> but when I die i also cant find what i was working on....
#274 [10:55] <Ovirew> well, you could make a storage box and a little hut
#275 [10:55] <Ovirew> and put your stuff in it
#276 [10:55] <Ovirew> then go die
#277 [10:55] <Ovirew> and you two can happen upon it later maybe
#278 [10:55] <Ovirew> lol
#279 [10:55] <AmberK> darjon1: made a note just for you :P
#280 [10:56] <Ovirew> Idk how far your brother is from you in the game, so I would say you can just try to set up two different bases of operation
#281 [10:56] <Ovirew> but then Idk how long you'll both be lost for
#282 [10:56] <ThaMrX> I don't get why there is no map where you can pinpoint things so you dont lose them
#283 [10:57] <Ovirew> you could both make compasses and use them to find the spawn point
#284 [10:57] <Ovirew> but you'd need some redstone and iron
#285 [10:57] <ThaMrX> ok we will both die then....
#286 [10:57] <Ovirew> just try to stick together
#287 [10:58] <Ovirew> for now anyway
#288 [10:58] <ThaMrX> at first I saw his name trough mountains but not anymore...
#289 [10:58] <ThaMrX> to far away i guess
#290 [10:59] <Ovirew> well you could try to go find him
#291 [10:59] <Ovirew> have him go back the way he came, too
#292 [10:59] <Ovirew> the world in the 360 version doesn't go on and on like the PC one
#293 [10:59] <|Anthony|> argh
#294 [10:59] <Ovirew> so eventually he will hit an invisible wall
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#296 [11:00] <|Anthony|> people figured out a way to heist armor and weapons out of my mob arena
#297 [11:00] <|Anthony|> and apparently found a corner where they take no damage
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#300 [11:05] <Morrolan> ;911
#301 [11:05] <Morrolan> Ah.
#302 [11:05] <Morrolan> ;help 911
#303 [11:06] * Morrolan pats the ops
#303 [11:06] <Morrolan> Sorry
#304 [11:06] * GreyVulpine blinks
#304 [11:06] <GreyVulpine> I was beeped..
#305 [11:06] <Morrolan> Wasn't me!
#306 [11:06] * Morrolan stares at WugBot
#306 [11:07] * GreyVulpine stuffs WugBot down a disposal unit.
#306 [11:07] <Morrolan> Take that, WugBot!
#307 [11:12] <kleinebaas> Did anybody find out what happened to me?
#308 [11:13] <Morrolan> Garbage disposal unti maybe?
#309 [11:13] <kleinebaas> Hmm...
#310 [11:13] <kleinebaas> I'm not okay with that.
#311 [11:19] <Ovirew> another question
#312 [11:19] <Ovirew> how do you change RAM allocation, and where?
#313 [11:20] <Morrolan> start it with the -xmx and -xms flags. I'll throw you an example.
#314 [11:20] <Morrolan> Grab the .jar launcher, start it using "java -Xmx1024M -Xms512M -cp Minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame", replace "1024" with however RAM you want to assign it at most.
#315 [11:21] <Ovirew> now I have the .exe since I'm on Windows
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#317 [11:21] <Ovirew> do I need to download the .jar too?
#318 [11:21] <Morrolan> Yes you do.
#319 [11:21] <Ovirew> alright
#320 [11:25] <Ovirew> so do I run both at the same time?
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#323 [11:26] <Morrolan> No, just use the .jar launcher.
#324 [11:26] <Morrolan> The .exe is basically the same as the .jar, just wrapped inside some additional code which makes it easier to execute on Windows.
#325 [11:27] <Morrolan> Now, either launch it through the commandline with the command I gave you above, or create a batch file and launch it through that one.
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#327 [11:29] <Ovirew> it says it doesn't recognize it
#328 [11:30] <awesomeman> I can't get minecraft for Linux to run. It will load up the launcher, but when I log in, it says Minecraft isn't downloaded.
#329 [11:30] <GreyVulpine> awesomeman - have you purchased an account?
#330 [11:30] <awesomeman> Yes
#331 [11:30] <awesomeman> It works just fine on my Windows partition
#332 [11:30] <Morrolan> Ovirew - Then you are most likely running the 32bit version of Java on a 64 bit OS. Either install the 64 bit one, or replace the "java" in the command with the full path to your Java installation.
#333 [11:30] <GreyVulpine> Above where it says, not downloaded, what else does it say?
#334 [11:30] <awesomeman> brb lunch
#335 [11:30] <Ovirew> hmm
#336 [11:31] <awesomeman> sorry, bad forsight. be back in half an hour
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#338 [11:32] <Ovirew> I have the 64 bit one
#339 [11:32] <Morrolan> Then, for some reason, Java isn't in your PATH environment variable.
#340 [11:33] <Ovirew> like my command prompt?
#341 [11:33] <Morrolan> Two solutions. Either just replace the "java" in the command with the full path to java.exe, or add the path to the Java installation to the PATH, google will help with that.
#342 [11:33] <Morrolan> The command you enter, replace the "java" in there, yea.
#343 [11:34] <Ovirew> so like C:// wherever// java.exe?
#344 [11:34] <Morrolan> The location will be something like "C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin", depends on your installation though.
#345 [11:34] <Morrolan> Yep.
#346 [11:34] <Ovirew> so I type that into my server?
#347 [11:34] <Calinou> ...into my server?
#348 [11:34] <Ovirew> or my command prompt
#349 [11:34] <Ovirew> oO
#350 [11:34] <Morrolan> Err, no, you replace the "java" in the command you use to start the launcher with that.
#351 [11:35] <Ovirew> oh
#352 [11:35] <Ovirew> OH
#353 [11:35] <Ovirew> I see
#354 [11:35] <Ovirew> lol
#355 [11:35] <Morrolan> THe command will then look something like "C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin\java -Xmx1024M -Xms512M -cp Minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame"
#356 [11:35] <Morrolan> DIfferent if your Java installation is located somewhere else ofcourse.
#357 [11:37] <Ovirew> oh
#358 [11:37] <Ovirew> so I do put it into the server then
#359 [11:39] <Morrolan> Not really. You just put it in the console, whether that's a console on your PC or on a remote server.
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#361 [11:46] <Ovirew> hm
#362 [11:46] <Ovirew> still not working
#363 [11:46] <Ovirew> I figured out that I had two versions of java in two program files folders
#364 [11:46] <Ovirew> and deleted them
#365 [11:46] <Ovirew> and reinstalled the one I wanted to my main program files
#366 [11:46] <Ovirew> but...
#367 [11:47] <Ovirew> still not seeming to work
#368 [11:50] <Morrolan> Define "not working"
#369 [11:50] <Morrolan> Be specific. Does it give you any error?
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#372 [11:53] <awesomeman> It fixed itself. o-o
#373 [11:56] <awesomeman> Thanks anyway GreyVulpine.
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#393 [12:33] <Eddie> hi
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#396 [12:41] <Ovirew> now it's a matter of setting up IP crap...
#397 [12:48] <Calinou> inb4 i invented minecraft
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#407 [14:04] <MA|Rivvern> Been playing technic singleplayer for some time and i thought it would be cool to try out some multiplayer. Tekkit is the MP version right. But i dont get it. Its too damn complicated. The few servers ive been on is totally locked down and you cant do shit. What i want is to play survival on a mp server. You know, chop down trees, mine, survive... with teamwork.
#408 [14:06] <Morrolan> Then take a look at multiplayer servers without the technic mod. ;)
#409 [14:06] <Morrolan> ?? smp/serverlist
#410 [14:06] <Morrolan> ?? smp/serverlists
#411 [14:06] <Morrolan> ?? smp/servers
#412 [14:06] <VoxelHead> smp/servers: There currently is no master list of all SMP servers. Fan-made indexes include http://minestatus.net/ - http://www.mcserverlist.net/ - http://www.reddit.com/r/mcservers - http://minecraftservers.net/ - http://minecraft.dk/mcserverlist/
#413 [14:06] <VoxelHead> smp/servers: You can also find a list at the MC forums at http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewforum.php?f=1025. Also, try the #smp channel.
#414 [14:07] <Morrolan> There we go, there's a bunch of lists out there, might help in finding one.
#415 [14:07] <MA|Rivvern> Thanks Morrolan. Why aint Tekkit a good choice? I like building machines and stuff.
#416 [14:08] <MA|Rivvern> Too few servers?
#417 [14:08] <Morrolan> Well, you just said you didn't like it, did you? ;)
#418 [14:08] <Morrolan> Or was it just about the servers you tried beeing too strict?
#419 [14:09] <MA|Rivvern> Oh yea sorry. I love the mod but its too complicated to get online
#420 [14:09] <Morrolan> Then just use a non-modded client to play online I'd say.
#421 [14:09] <Morrolan> I've never used Tekkit, so I couldn't judge.
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#423 [14:13] <MA|Rivvern> Roger that. Thanks.
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#429 [15:09] <lordo> hi, i just bought my copy of minecraft and i dont have any server in multiplayer section, why is that?
#430 [15:10] <oldtopman> lordo: Because you haven't added any.
#431 [15:11] <lordo> ok, is there somekind of list of servers?
#432 [15:12] <GreyVulpine> ?? smp/servers
#433 [15:12] <VoxelHead> smp/servers: There currently is no master list of all SMP servers. Fan-made indexes include http://minestatus.net/ - http://www.mcserverlist.net/ - http://www.reddit.com/r/mcservers - http://minecraftservers.net/ - http://minecraft.dk/mcserverlist/
#434 [15:13] <VoxelHead> smp/servers: You can also find a list at the MC forums at http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewforum.php?f=1025. Also, try the #smp channel.
#435 [15:13] * GreyVulpine points ^
#435 [15:15] <lordo> thank you v much:)
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#440 [16:03] <Chris> minecraft.net auth down?
#441 [16:04] <Chris> http://i.cgw.me/mnk.png
#442 [16:05] <AmberK> !help
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#444 [16:05] <AmberK> !login
#445 [16:05] <AmberK> Yep
#446 [16:06] <Nathan2055> Does iCloud have any known compatibility issues with MC?
#447 [16:08] <Nathan2055> Anybody?
#448 [16:09] <xales> Err, what?
#449 [16:11] <xales> To answer your question, "yes". Minecraft is not designed to work with it in any way, hence they are not "compatible". If you want to know if it is possible to use it for a specific task, then perhaps be more specific.
#450 [16:15] <Nathan2055> Is it possible to use Minecraft on a computer with iCloud on it?
#451 [16:16] <Nathan2055> xales: ^
#452 [16:17] <xales> Nathan2055: Uh, yes.
#453 [16:17] <Nathan2055> My friend's PC freezes and slows down with it.
#454 [16:17] <xales> I don't think that would be because they have iCloud installed.
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#456 [16:17] <Nathan2055> He thinks it's because of iTunes or iCloud.
#457 [16:17] <Syd> hey. I has a question
#458 [16:18] <Nathan2055> Syd: What?
#459 [16:18] <Syd> what does that return code 502 means?
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#461 [16:18] <Nathan2055> Excuse me, what?
#462 [16:18] <xales> Syd: If you are talking about HTTP error 502, that would be "Bad Gateway"
#463 [16:18] <Syd> just now people couldnt get on my server, they were receiving http rsomething code 502
#464 [16:18] <Nathan2055> This is Minecraft help ONLY.
#465 [16:18] <Nathan2055> Oh...
#466 [16:18] <Syd> at session.minecraft.net
#467 [16:18] <Nathan2055> Let me check on that?
#468 [16:18] <Syd> user identfy
#469 [16:19] <Syd> >>
#470 [16:19] <Syd> it IS a minecraft problem
#471 [16:19] <Nathan2055> !login
#472 [16:19] <Nathan2055> ^
#473 [16:19] <Nathan2055> It should be fine
#474 [16:19] <Nathan2055> xales: [16:17] <Nathan2055> He thinks it's because of iTunes or iCloud.
#475 [16:20] <Syd> No no. Now it works but it gave me error code 502 for a while.
#476 [16:20] <Syd> im just worried if its not hack.
#477 [16:20] <xales> Nathan2055: If they are not running, then they are not capable of having any effect on Minecraft.
#478 [16:20] <xales> If he thinks they are the problem, then close them.
#479 [16:21] <Syd> so....what was that error code 502?
#480 [16:21] <Nathan2055> [16:18] <xales> Syd: If you are talking about HTTP error 502, that would be "Bad Gateway"
#481 [16:21] <Nathan2055> Bad connection.
#482 [16:21] <Syd> session.minecraft.net something someting user.identify=(username here)
#483 [16:21] <Nathan2055> To MC auth servers.
#484 [16:21] <Syd> but all people got it.
#485 [16:21] <Syd> 10 people including me
#486 [16:21] <Syd> for 10minutes.
#487 [16:21] <xales> Syd: It means "be patient and try again in a few minutes"
#488 [16:21] <Nathan2055> [16:05] <AuBot> Sorry AmberK, but it seems the login server is either overloaded or down. I was not able to log in to Minecraft. :<
#489 [16:21] <Nathan2055> !login
#490 [16:22] <AmberK> ta-da
#491 [16:22] <Nathan2055> It's fixed now, whatever it was.
#492 [16:22] <Syd> thats why it gives that error code!
#493 [16:22] <AmberK> magically pinging >_>
#494 [16:22] <Nathan2055> syd: It is fixed now.
#495 [16:22] <Syd> it can't get to authorisation server.
#496 [16:22] <Syd> and identify user that comes on my server
#497 [16:22] <Syd> am i right?
#498 [16:22] <Syd> or authentification or whatever that is.
#499 [16:23] <Nathan2055> !login
#500 [16:23] <Nathan2055> Minecraft auth is fine now,
#501 [16:23] <Nathan2055> Please try again.
#502 [16:23] <Syd> i can login now. I just wanted to know if its the reason
#503 [16:24] <Syd> and it seems it was minecraft auth.
#504 [16:24] <Syd> thats why they got error 502
#505 [16:24] <Syd> they couldnt contact auth.
#506 [16:24] <Syd> and server was kicking them cause of that.
#507 [16:24] <Nathan2055> It was an overloaded auth server at Mojang.
#508 [16:24] <Syd> :)
#509 [16:24] <Nathan2055> It is completly stable now.
#510 [16:24] <Syd> so that was the cause,right?
#511 [16:25] <Nathan2055> Yes, yes it was.
#512 [16:26] <Nathan2055> I need to split.
#513 [16:26] <Nathan2055> Bye, all.
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#517 [16:42] <Syd> !login
#518 [16:42] <Syd> :O
#519 [16:42] <Syd> i get error 502 again
#520 [16:42] <Syd> !login
#521 [16:42] <Syd> yep.
#522 [16:43] <Syd> !login
#523 [16:44] <Syd> !login
#524 [16:44] <clarjon1> Don't spam the bot.
#525 [16:44] <Syd> im checking
#526 [16:44] <Syd> cause i cant get on my own server.
#527 [16:44] <Syd> error code 502
#528 [16:44] <Syd> again
#529 [16:44] <clarjon1> have you restarted the client.
#530 [16:45] <Syd> no
#531 [16:45] <Syd> lemme do it
#532 [16:47] <Syd> worked.
#533 [16:47] <Syd> something's with auth servers.
#534 [16:47] <Syd> :)
#535 [16:48] <|Anthony|> my brother and i share an account (which i'm sure is frowned upon). Does mc check to see if the account is already logged into a server somewhere and deny any new logins?
#536 [16:49] <|Anthony|> like can we both play on different servers at the same time?
#537 [16:49] <|Anthony|> and what happens if we try to log into the same server?
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#539 [16:54] <ranma> has anyone had an issue where ping to a server IN minecraft was higher than in command prompt?
#540 [16:55] <ranma> e.g. ~400-1100 in mc; 175 from command prompt
#541 [16:55] <clarjon1> ranma: well, yeah.
#542 [16:55] <clarjon1> ranma: because the in-game ping is delayed by the server processing and running the other stuff
#543 [16:56] <ranma> even if this is gotten simply from the server list?
#544 [16:56] <clarjon1> entities, monitoring which chunks to keep loaded, user connection monitoring...
#545 [16:57] <ranma> so probably server side issue?
#546 [16:57] <clarjon1> ranma: are you pinging the server with mc on it?
#547 [16:57] <ranma> sadly, i don't have admin access to the server
#548 [16:57] <clarjon1> or another host.
#549 [16:57] <ranma> yeah, pinging the server
#550 [16:57] <clarjon1> yeah
#551 [16:57] <clarjon1> it's minecraft being a bit overloaded is all :)
#552 [16:57] <clarjon1> ( that happens a lot ^_^ )
#553 [16:57] <ranma> would a large farm cause issues
#554 [16:58] <ranma> even if you're pretty far away from it?
#555 [16:59] <oldtopman> |Anthony|: You cannot play on the same server. I believe that you can play on diferrent ones, but I'm not certain.
#556 [17:06] <|Anthony|> was wondering if it would deny the new connection (same server) or break the current connection
#557 [17:06] <oldtopman> It should work just gine, but since one of you is a pirate by definition, it isn't designed to work that way. I have no idea what it'll do.
#558 [17:07] <|Anthony|> lol
#559 [17:07] <|Anthony|> yeah
#560 [17:07] <|Anthony|> i started running a server so its a concern to me
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#564 [17:14] <KleptoKat> Does anyone here have some experience with ComputerCraft?
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#566 [17:14] <dravida> huhu
#567 [17:14] <ranma> clarjon1:
#568 [17:14] <ranma> [14:57:44] <ranma> would a large farm cause issues
#569 [17:14] <ranma> [14:57:53] <ranma> even if you're pretty far away from it?
#570 [17:14] <clarjon1> Heh, in my experience, everything causes issues x3
#571 [17:15] <ranma> LOL xD
#572 [17:15] <ranma> well, i killed my chickens to see if that helped
#573 [17:16] <ranma> it was SLIGHTLY laggy
#574 [17:16] <dravida> hey guys _)
#575 [17:17] <ranma> hmmm .. i've got a higher ping to the server than my german friend who's trying to play
#576 [17:17] <ranma> hmmm .. i've got a higher ping to the server than my german friend who's trying to play
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#578 [17:17] <ranma> colorado -> cali ... 190ms
#579 [17:17] <ranma> germany -> cali 175
#580 [17:18] <ranma> oh, got it down to 50-70
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#584 [17:30] <Joe132> Hello! my premium statues didnt come yet?? its been an hour
#585 [17:31] <Joe132> ?
#586 [17:32] <GreyVulpine> :payment/stopped
#587 [17:32] <WugBot> payment/stopped: Banks, credit card companies, etc. frequently stop minecraft purchases for your protection because they are international transactions. You may have to call your financial institution and ask that they approve the transfer.
#588 [17:32] <WugBot> payment/stopped: If you're not sure what to say, tell them: "I would like to make an international purchase and payment is being declined. How would I go about approving the purchase?"
#589 [17:36] <Joe132> wow mc.net is getting lamer
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#591 [17:41] <dravida> heyho guxy
#592 [17:41] <dravida> *guys
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#594 [17:43] <Coll> is something wrong with mcbans that it made it to the topic?
#595 [17:43] <GreyVulpine> After the collapse of mcbans? yes
#596 [17:43] <Coll> I wouldnt know the history of that care to eplain
#597 [17:44] <GreyVulpine> Well, first off. Do you know what Mcbans is?
#598 [17:44] <Coll> yes
#599 [17:44] <GreyVulpine> Did you know that their stuff was hacked?
#600 [17:44] <GreyVulpine> Forum database, passwords, some time ago?
#601 [17:45] <Coll> no I did not
#602 [17:45] <GreyVulpine> Well, they were. The head(s) of MCbans downplayed it, first stating there was no such intrusion.
#603 [17:46] <GreyVulpine> They had to recant that, #mcbans got attacked here, which basically brought down the entire esper network for about a day or two
#604 [17:47] <GreyVulpine> #mcbans moved to some other network.
#605 [17:47] <ranma> mclovin' it!
#606 [17:47] <ranma> mcbans makes me want mcdees sometimes
#607 [17:47] <ranma> *seeing the word
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#609 [17:51] <John_Clark> does this irc also support the xbox 360 minecraft?
#610 [17:52] <Boreeas> Technically yes, practically you need to find someone who has experience with it first.
#611 [17:53] <John_Clark> well atleast this is a start lol
#612 [17:54] <John_Clark> cause every time i open my invintory in the game it freezes on me :(
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#615 [17:56] <John_Clark> is there a list of who has experience with what?
#616 [17:57] <GreyVulpine> nobody I know, around here.
#617 [18:00] <John_Clark> well i just deleted it cleared the system cache and redownloaded for the second time, which is the only thing i found via google
#618 [18:12] <Coll> I see GreyVulpine
#619 [18:12] <Coll> anything else?
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#624 [18:38] <Dragon_EX> What do I need to bridge my IRC channel to my Minecraft server?
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#629 [18:52] <ranma> hmm. http://www.malukah.com/2012/05/15/a-story-and-an-open-letter-to-myself/
#630 [18:52] <ranma> her Skyrim songs are so dreamy
#631 [18:52] <ranma> <3
#632 [18:52] <Pentens> hey guys i have fatal error on my click me launcher for minecraft (hacked client)
#633 [18:53] <ranma> er
#634 [18:53] <ranma> wrong channel
#635 [18:54] <Pentens> what channel so i go to?
#636 [18:54] <NinjaKirby> Stop right there Criminal Scum!
#637 [18:55] <Pentens> ?
#638 [18:55] <NinjaKirby> Hacked Client? :/
#639 [18:55] <Pentens> Click me launcher
#640 [18:55] <Pentens> and i got a fatal error (5):null
#641 [18:55] <NinjaKirby> I don't like the sounds of that, I pray I'm mistaken about my beliefs.
#642 [18:56] <Pentens> extracting:windows_natives.jar.lzma to windows_natives.jar
#643 [18:58] <Pentens> So got eny ideas?
#644 [18:58] <Pentens> how to fix dis?
#645 [18:59] <Pentens> :\
#646 [18:59] <Pentens> :/
#647 [19:00] <NinjaKirby> I'm googling to understand what this Click Me Launcher is, which on the offset doesn't sound good.
#648 [19:00] <Pentens> Its the best hacked client out there have like xray and stuff
#649 [19:00] <Pentens> fly erc.
#650 [19:00] <Pentens> etc.
#651 [19:01] <NinjaKirby> The fact that searching it reveals no results on the official Forums, I'm gonna guess I don't want to touch it with a 10ft barge pole.
#652 [19:02] <Pentens> ...
#653 [19:02] <NinjaKirby> Anyway, maybe someone will be able to help, just hang about I guess
#654 [19:02] <Pentens> im seeing if i install updates on my computer might help
#655 [19:03] <Pentens> or like unstill my antivirus
#656 [19:03] <Pentens> and see and reinstall java
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#660 [19:03] <Pentens> Anybody know how to fix hacked client fatal errors?
#661 [19:04] <DJOtwell> why can i purchase minecraft? payment is being denied
#662 [19:06] <Omega_Guardian> the official site is the only place I think
#663 [19:07] <Pentens> click me
#664 [19:07] <Pentens> i did buy mc\
#665 [19:07] <Pentens> i got a hacked client launcher with my real mc account
#666 [19:07] <DJOtwell> i have tried the main site it directed me to paypal and still was denied
#667 [19:07] <Pentens> i bought minecraft!
#668 [19:07] <TheNytangel> Why do you have a hacked client...
#669 [19:08] <Pentens> To grief
#670 [19:08] <TheNytangel> We don't help people with hacked clients here.
#671 [19:08] <Pentens> Den fuck you bitch.
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#673 [19:08] <TheNytangel> DJOtwell: what type of credit card are you using
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#675 [19:08] <DJOtwell> a paypal account balance
#676 [19:09] <TheNytangel> And you tried to pay with paypal?
#677 [19:09] <Pentens> yde
#678 [19:09] <Pentens> dude
#679 [19:09] <Pentens> F
#680 [19:09] <DJOtwell> yes
#681 [19:09] <Pentens> fwat
#682 [19:09] <TheNytangel> It redirected you to paypal and you put in your account details
#683 [19:09] <DJOtwell> yes
#684 [19:09] <Pentens> fuckwat
#685 [19:09] * AuBot kicked Pentens from #minecrafthelp (Reason: entens :Please keep it civil.)
#686 [19:09] <NinjaKirby> I so wish I had Mod powers right now
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#688 [19:10] <Pentens> fuckyouniggerfjaag
#689 [19:10] * AuBot kicked Pentens from #minecrafthelp (Reason: entens :Please keep it civil.)
#690 [19:10] <NinjaKirby> What a child.
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#692 [19:10] <NinjaKirby> Pentens, grow up.
#693 [19:11] <DJOtwell> can anyone help me?
#694 [19:11] <WugBot> DJOtwell: (ww) Help you with what? Please describe the problem in detail.
#695 [19:12] <DJOtwell> i am trying to buy minecraft from minecraft.net and my payment keep getting denied from paypal
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#697 [19:17] <kingofpikachus> hey guys can anyone tell me if this is a good computer for minecrfat
#698 [19:17] <kingofpikachus> http://reviews.walmart.com/1336/16608491/emachines-black-el1852g-52w-desktop-pc-bundle-with-intel-pentium-dual-core-e5800-processor-20-widescreen-lcd-monitor-1tb-hard-drive-and-windows-7-home-premium-reviews/reviews.htm
#699 [19:18] <kingofpikachus> Can anyone help?
#700 [19:19] <DJOtwell> this is what i get when i try to pay with paypal
#701 [19:19] <DJOtwell> We are not able to process your payment using your PayPal account at this time. Please return to the merchant's website and try using a different payment method (if available).
#702 [19:19] <TheNytangel> DJOtwell: try again tomorrow?
#703 [19:19] <DJOtwell> is that my only option?
#704 [19:21] <TheNytangel> I have no idea, I'm not experienced with payments
#705 [19:21] <DJOtwell> ok ty
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#709 [20:22] <John_Clark> going on 2hours 20minutes with xbox support via twitter :(
#710 [20:32] <DiskDaemon> I'm glad that I just have the xbox controller and remote receiver for my PC. It's so much less trouble than owning an xbox
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#717 [21:05] <ManboiMitch> can some1 tell me how to activate the membership? i have perchase code?
#718 [21:06] <ManboiMitch> ?
#719 [21:09] <ManboiMitch> ??? yall there?
#720 [21:13] <Scott> you mean you have gift code?
#721 [21:14] <ManboiMitch> no
#722 [21:14] <ManboiMitch> it something like this: 9a42d47300b74c3390fc307cd8048eb5
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#724 [21:15] <santi_ago> hello
#725 [21:15] <santi_ago> i need some help
#726 [21:16] <santi_ago> anyone?
#727 [21:16] <ManboiMitch> ?
#728 [21:17] <ManboiMitch> so Scott do you know what to do with it?
#729 [21:18] <santi_ago> um
#730 [21:18] <santi_ago> once i open the client i do forc3e update
#731 [21:18] <santi_ago> then it says done loading and black screens
#732 [21:18] <santi_ago> and completly freezes
#733 [21:20] <ManboiMitch> do you have java installed on your PC? try installing Java
#734 [21:20] <santi_ago> i have it installed
#735 [21:21] <ManboiMitch> oh well did you try restarting your computer?
#736 [21:21] <santi_ago> yeh
#737 [21:21] <santi_ago> like 20 times
#738 [21:21] <santi_ago> i just want to play minecraft :(
#739 [21:21] <ManboiMitch> you may want to ask Scott about that
#740 [21:22] <santi_ago> whos scott
#741 [21:22] <Omega_Guardian> Minecraft broke on me too, one day it worked then bam it didn't no more. Wug helped me to get it working, although the way I used to run it (the exe) no longer works even with java wiped clean/reboot/install fresh/reboot
#742 [21:24] <santi_ago> omega
#743 [21:24] <santi_ago> what did u do
#744 [21:25] <Omega_Guardian> I dunno :P Maybe I had tried to update java and somehow it broke something in my OS that a clean remove didn't fix. I also get error message if I try to bring up a file's details, but it pops up anyways
#745 [21:25] <santi_ago> fml
#746 [21:26] <Omega_Guardian> at this point waiting for aunt to order Win7 cheap before I buy new computer so I can run Minecraft again cause the sound engine is royally buggered
#747 [21:26] <Omega_Guardian> if I disable the sound entirely inside, it works fine. Enabled, I get sub-1 fps cause of some major sound repeat/studdering. Optifine has a sound bug fix, but then if I go within lava sound range, 1 fps again
#748 [21:28] <Omega_Guardian> maybe delete the client and download fresh? It should be newest version
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#752 [21:31] <awesomeman> Hey GreyVulpine, this may sound weird to say, but the issue I had with Minecraft not downloading on Linux literally fixed itself
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#754 [21:33] <Omega_Guardian> sounds nice. Windows randomly breaks itself, Linux randomly fixes itself.
#755 [21:33] <awesomeman> Haha
#756 [21:33] <awesomeman> Haha
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#760 [21:48] <ferminter> Kauf abgeschlossen! Danke für den Kauf Minecraft! Ihr Status sollte innerhalb einer Stunde zu aktualisieren.
#761 [21:49] <ferminter> vor 4 stunden#
#762 [21:54] <ferminter> Purchase Complete! Thank you for purchasing Minecraft! Their status should be updated within one hour. reception Please save this information, it is useful if you ever contact support. When processing your payment a receipt for the transaction will be sent via e-mail, please save this information as well. 4hours before I bought it and no e @ mail
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#764 [21:56] <spark> I just bought the PC version of Minecraft and downloaded minecraft.exe. When I try to open the executable, nothing happens. I am running windows vista. does anyone know what is wrong?
#765 [21:57] <Jean> hmm, did you allowed the exe in your firewall?
#766 [21:57] <Jean> or your windows setings
#767 [21:57] <Jean> settings*
#768 [21:57] <spark> I thought that may be the problem so i disabled my firewall program and tried again. no change
#769 [21:58] <DiskDaemon> Mojang provide this info to get started. http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/325960-how-do-i-run-the-game-on-my-computer-
#770 [21:59] <DiskDaemon> Is the in-browser version of the game capable of running on the computer?
#771 [22:00] <GreyVulpine> Would be best if you attempted to run it in the cmd prompt. This way, you can have a verbose output that you can share with us
#772 [22:00] <spark> when i tried my browser froze. i am currently trying to update java to see if that is the problem.
#773 [22:01] <spark> ok
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#775 [22:03] <spark> when i used command prompt, the program started. this was after i updated java, though, so that may have been the problem. Thank you all for your help :)
#776 [22:03] <spark> when i used command prompt, the program started. this was after i updated java, though, so that may have been the problem. Thank you all for your help :)
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#779 [22:12] <frogonia> hi I need help for suggestions, what is best economy plugin, and what is best gate plugin
#780 [22:13] <GreyVulpine> chestshop
#781 [22:13] <frogonia> 1 opinion. need othas!
#782 [22:14] <GreyVulpine> See: http://metrics.griefcraft.com/
#783 [22:14] <GreyVulpine> metrics of various servers reporting plugin usage
#784 [22:15] <frogonia> ah ill checker out
#785 [22:16] <frogonia> have never seen that, thats cool
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#787 [22:19] <makayla260> hello
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#789 [22:22] <GreyVulpine> Ow.
#790 [22:23] <GreyVulpine> Yes?
#791 [22:25] <Jean> just greeting :]
#792 [22:25] <Jean> what s up
#793 [22:26] * GreyVulpine is in other channels, gets beeped when name is mentioned.
#793 [22:26] <Jean> aw
#794 [22:31] <frogonia> should i get multiverse-gates or creative gates?
#795 [22:31] <frogonia> i dont really need MV-gates just the gates in general
#796 [22:32] <GreyVulpine> Really up to you
#797 [22:32] <DiskDaemon> sounds like you've answered your own question then :)
#798 [22:32] <DiskDaemon> don't get the mv-gates if you don't ewally need the mv-gates
#799 [22:32] <frogonia> yeah
#800 [22:32] <frogonia> unless i wanna chargem
#801 [22:33] <frogonia> dont really want to
#802 [22:33] <frogonia> so its like same thing but different names, is there a difference in smoothness or something
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