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#5 [00:06] <deathmock> houdy, im haveing a small problem with risus armorstand mod
#6 [00:07] <deathmock> wondering if its a bug, but for each armor stand i place, i receive exponential lag.
#7 [00:09] <deathmock> oh shoot, wrong channel issent it,
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#10 [00:18] <Jackson413> kealper around?
#11 [00:26] <Kealper> dowhat
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#17 [00:55] <Kealper> northwestern US is netsplitting hard
#18 [00:55] <Kealper> like... literally splitting right off the whole internet
#19 [00:56] <Jackson413> im in the northwest
#20 [00:56] <Jackson413> ohio
#21 [00:56] <Kealper> not northwest enough then D:
#22 [00:56] <Jackson413> ohwait thats the midwest *facepalm*
#23 [00:56] <Kealper> well
#24 [00:56] <Kealper> northmidwest is what went derpy
#25 [00:56] <Jackson413> my internet is so sexy though, nothing to worry about
#26 [00:57] <Kealper> two people in Michigan (different ISPs and towns) stayed connected and chatting in my chat, and a person right on the outskirts of Chicago stayed on there as well, but everyone else disconnected
#27 [00:58] <Kealper> so my guess is someone spilled coffee on a server in Chicago
#28 [00:58] <Kealper> as a side-note... http://pastebin.com/uA2FdKd4 was an interesting problem to solve
#29 [00:59] <Jackson413> yupper thats c# right?
#30 [00:59] <Kealper> nope, Go
#31 [00:59] <Jackson413> java?
#32 [00:59] <Kealper> literally it's called "Go" lol
#33 [01:00] <Jackson413> dafuq?
#34 [01:00] <Kealper> extremely new programming language... backed by Google, developed by some of the big names in programming, including one of the guys who originally helped make C
#35 [01:01] <Jackson413> wow
#36 [01:01] <Kealper> the best way to describe Go would be C and Python's unholy-love child
#37 [01:01] <Jackson413> whats better?
#38 [01:02] <Kealper> comparing it to what?
#39 [01:02] <Kealper> C?
#40 [01:02] <Jackson413> sure
#41 [01:03] <Kealper> depends... some times it can be as fast or faster than C, but it's got things like garbage collection, type safety, etc that you'd find in higher-level langauges like Java
#42 [01:04] <Kealper> but it's still a properly compiled language like C, and not interpreted or VM-interpreted like Python or Java
#43 [01:04] <Jackson413> why is it better?
#44 [01:04] <Kealper> type safey and GC
#45 [01:04] <Jackson413> efficiency?
#46 [01:04] <Kealper> and less code to get crap done, usually
#47 [01:04] <Jackson413> ahhhh. (sorry its 1 am here and im in a spanish mode doing hw)
#48 [01:05] <Jackson413> theres no gc in java?
#49 [01:05] <Jackson413> is this supposed to replace any languages?
#50 [01:06] <Kealper> lol... where in Ohio are you, anyways? because i'm in southeast Michigan, about 150 or so miles from Ohio's border lol
#51 [01:06] <Jackson413> columbus
#52 [01:06] <Jackson413> what city are you in in mi?
#53 [01:07] <Kealper> and yes java has GC, but Java is VM-interpreted, so it uses a lot more memory and can be slower than native-compiled languages
#54 [01:07] <Kealper> and i'm about an hour north-east of Detroit
#55 [01:08] <Kealper> oh, following the roads (roughly... ish...) i'm quite a few hours away lol
#56 [01:13] <Jackson413> you know a town called adrian?
#57 [01:15] <Kealper> oh, sorry... had this minimized for a few
#58 [01:15] <Kealper> yeah i know of it/have been through it in my travels
#59 [01:17] <Jackson413> yeah I have a lakehouse that is somewhat near there that I spend a majority of summer at
#60 [01:17] <Kealper> :o nice
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#66 [02:43] <dexray15> hello?
#67 [02:43] <dexray15> is anyone here
#68 [02:44] <dexray15> I needed some help with port forwarding... >o>
#69 [02:44] <Kealper> do you have your router's username/password?
#70 [02:45] <dexray15> yes
#71 [02:45] <dexray15> i think i set it up right im not sure
#72 [02:45] <Kealper> what model is your router? i'll give you a page that goes in to detail on how to do it
#73 [02:45] <dexray15> it lets me connect to it
#74 [02:45] <dexray15> but
#75 [02:45] <dexray15> i tried using the port checker thing
#76 [02:45] <dexray15> and it says its not open
#77 [02:45] <Kealper> !check 71-212-59-61.tukw.qwest.net
#78 [02:45] <Kealper> do you have the Minecraft server running right now?
#79 [02:46] <dexray15> i can turn it on
#80 [02:46] <dexray15> ok i started it
#81 [02:46] <Kealper> !check 71-212-59-61.tukw.qwest.net
#82 [02:46] <dexray15> what?
#83 [02:46] <Kealper> hmm...
#84 [02:47] <dexray15> are you a robot?
#85 [02:47] <Kealper> telling that AuBot chat bot to try to connect to your server; it can't
#86 [02:47] <Kealper> AuBot is lol
#87 [02:47] <dexray15> thats not the port though
#88 [02:47] <dexray15> >o>
#89 [02:47] <Kealper> oh, did you start it on something other than the default port?
#90 [02:47] <dexray15> i had to
#91 [02:47] <dexray15> it wont let me use default anymore
#92 [02:48] <dexray15> the port im using is 7564
#93 [02:48] <Kealper> oh? what does it tell you when you try?
#94 [02:48] <dexray15> it says its already in use
#95 [02:48] <Kealper> !check 71-212-59-61.tukw.qwest.net:7564
#96 [02:48] <Kealper> hmm.
#97 [02:48] <dexray15> it lets me connect to my server when i do
#98 [02:48] <Kealper> are you sure that the server isn't running in the background?
#99 [02:48] <Kealper> on the default port, that is
#100 [02:49] <dexray15> it lets me connect when i use this
#101 [02:49] <dexray15> 192.168.0.2:7564
#102 [02:49] <Kealper> ok so probably not a firewall issue, and just a port forwarding issue then... what model number is your router?
#103 [02:49] <dexray15> hold on
#104 [02:49] <dexray15> this one
#105 [02:49] <dexray15> http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/ZyXEL/PK5000Z/Minecraft_Server.htm
#106 [02:49] <dexray15> I tried following that but its not very detailed
#107 [02:50] * Kealper reads that
#107 [02:50] <dexray15> i had a server before but i deleted it because i didnt want it anymore
#108 [02:50] <dexray15> and now i have a new modem
#109 [02:50] <dexray15> the old one was easier...
#110 [02:51] <Kealper> now.... i don't know about that specific router... but did you leave that "LAN IP Address" spot blank?
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#112 [02:51] <dexray15> it wouldnt let me
#113 [02:51] <dexray15> i tried leaving it blank but it said
#114 [02:52] <dexray15> invalid lan ip
#115 [02:52] <Kealper> did you put 192.168.0.2 in it?
#116 [02:52] <dexray15> i think so
#117 [02:52] <dexray15> let me check
#118 [02:52] <dexray15> yes
#119 [02:52] <dexray15> i did
#120 [02:53] <dexray15> and i made that remote ip thing the 71.212 one
#121 [02:53] <dexray15> I have no idea what im doing because this new modem configuration is different
#122 [02:53] <Kealper> probably best to leave that as 0.0.0.0, but i don't think it should matter too much for the time being
#123 [02:53] <dexray15> leave what 0
#124 [02:53] <dexray15> ?
#125 [02:53] <Kealper> remote IP
#126 [02:54] <dexray15> oh
#127 [02:54] <dexray15> is the lan ip right?
#128 [02:54] <Kealper> yeah, if you can get on your server locally by using 192.168.0.2 then it's correct
#129 [02:54] <dexray15> :/
#130 [02:54] <puffrfish> did you create a second entry for UDP?
#131 [02:54] <dexray15> yes
#132 [02:54] <Kealper> now... i'm wondering if the fact that you can't start it on port 25565 means anything...
#133 [02:55] <Kealper> also Minecraft doesn't use UDP, so adding that is superfluous
#134 [02:55] <dexray15> i use bukkit
#135 [02:55] <Kealper> you have an entry in your port forwarding to allow for port 7564, right?
#136 [02:56] <dexray15> Port Forwarding List LAN Ports Protocol LAN IP Address Remote Ports Remote IP Address Edit 7564 - 7564 TCP 192.168.0.2 7564 - 7564 71.212.59.61 7564 - 7564 UDP 192.168.0.2 7564 - 7564 71.212.59.61
#137 [02:56] <dexray15> should it look like that?
#138 [02:56] <Kealper> well that didn't really paste right but i got the gist of it...
#139 [02:57] <dexray15> sorry
#140 [02:57] <Kealper> hmm...
#141 [02:57] <Kealper> do you have any antivirus or firewall software installed? usually if you can use your LAN IP it means it allows it, but stranger things have happened
#142 [02:58] <dexray15> uh
#143 [02:58] <dexray15> i have avg i think thats all
#144 [02:58] <Kealper> the free version of AVG or the paid version?
#145 [02:58] <dexray15> free
#146 [02:59] <Omega_Guardian> if using Avira, beware. Latest patch for Professional version? Windows no boot anymore
#147 [02:59] <dexray15> but i don't see why it would cause any problem because i had it when i had my old server
#148 [02:59] <Kealper> Omega_Guardian: shame.... Avira used to be so good, too...
#149 [02:59] <Kealper> dexray15: yeah, AVG Free wouldn't be the cause... i've heard some things going screwy with the paid version, but not the free one
#150 [02:59] <Omega_Guardian> using Avast atm cause AVG seemed to have gone downhill long ago, when get new computer will just use Microsoft's thig
#151 [03:00] <Kealper> this is quite interesting.... unless...
#152 [03:00] <dexray15> ?
#153 [03:00] <Kealper> Omega_Guardian: i switched to MSE a few months ago and haven't looked back.. i like it
#154 [03:00] <Kealper> dexray15: do you know what the difference between a router and a modem is?
#155 [03:00] <dexray15> aren't they the same?
#156 [03:01] <Kealper> some times... and that's a possibility that might be the case here
#157 [03:01] <dexray15> why is your name red up there?
#158 [03:01] <Omega_Guardian> any good router should have built in firewall, default settings probably awful, but I'mma no expert there
#159 [03:01] <Kealper> dexray15: if your name is in something that someone says, it makes it red so you can see if someone is talking directly to you
#160 [03:01] <Kealper> like that
#161 [03:01] <dexray15> oh
#162 [03:02] <dexray15> well we upgraded to centurylink maybe like 4 weeks ago?
#163 [03:02] <Kealper> anyways.... with the way your internet is hooked up right now...
#164 [03:02] <Kealper> is there a box that a tv cable or phone line goes in to, and then another box that is connected to the modem box, before your computer gets hooked in?
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#166 [03:03] <dexray15> what do you mean
#167 [03:03] <Kealper> i probably described that horribly because it's 3am, but hopefully you get what i'm asking... lol
#168 [03:03] <dexray15> my modem just goes into the little box on the wall behind my bed
#169 [03:03] <Kealper> ok, and your computer is hooked directly in to that?
#170 [03:04] <dexray15> im not sure
#171 [03:04] <dexray15> but also
#172 [03:04] <Kealper> actually... wait... i think i know what you're talking about...
#173 [03:04] <dexray15> i just looked at the firewall thing
#174 [03:04] <dexray15> and
#175 [03:04] <dexray15> it says this
#176 [03:04] <dexray15> 2. Select the IP address or IP addressing type to which the firewall rules should apply. Addressing Type:
#177 [03:04] <dexray15> should it be instead
#178 [03:04] <dexray15> all static ips
#179 [03:04] <dexray15> ?
#180 [03:05] <Kealper> ehh... i'm not entirely sure what that setting would do, so it's probably best to leave it at whatever its at right now
#181 [03:05] <dexray15> ok
#182 [03:05] <Kealper> is there anything in your router's little site thing that mentions something called "DMZ"?
#183 [03:05] <dexray15> yes
#184 [03:05] <dexray15> DMZ hosting
#185 [03:06] <Kealper> does it give you a spot to put just an IP in to?
#186 [03:06] <dexray15> yes
#187 [03:06] <Kealper> put 192.168.0.2 in to that and apply the setting change... we'll see if that has an effect
#188 [03:06] <dexray15> ok
#189 [03:07] <Kealper> if your server works from that, then it's a port forwarding issue, if it still doesn't work then something on your computer is most likely blocking it
#190 [03:07] <dexray15> done
#191 [03:07] <dexray15> can you try that computer person again?
#192 [03:08] <Kealper> !check 71.212.59.61:7564
#193 [03:08] <Kealper> :|
#194 [03:08] <dexray15> yay
#195 [03:08] <Kealper> seems it's a port forwarding issue
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#197 [03:08] <dexray15> so it works now?
#198 [03:08] <Kealper> this isn't really a good way to fix the problem though
#199 [03:08] <dexray15> oh
#200 [03:08] <dexray15> why?
#201 [03:08] <dexray15> it says it works
#202 [03:09] <Kealper> unless you've got a firewall on your computer that you trust... essentially what that DMZ thing is, is something called the "De-Militarized Zone", or basically it's a "forward all ports to this computer" setting
#203 [03:09] <dexray15> I don't really understand?
#204 [03:09] <Kealper> the server works, anyone can get on it right now, i'm just saying that generally it's not a good idea to run it on the DMZ forever
#205 [03:10] <dexray15> what do i do then?
#206 [03:10] <Kealper> well... we'll first try to figure out why normal port forwarding doesn't work
#207 [03:10] <dexray15> okay
#208 [03:10] <dexray15> btw are you an admin or something?
#209 [03:10] <Kealper> i just wouldn't feel comfortable sending you off with having your computer set in the DMZ part of your router (basically means the router's firewall doesn't protect your computer)
#210 [03:10] <Kealper> of this channel, yes
#211 [03:11] <dexray15> oh cool
#212 [03:11] <Kealper> so then
#213 [03:11] <Kealper> revisiting the port forwarding page
#214 [03:11] <Kealper> that spot where you said you put that 71.212 IP
#215 [03:11] <dexray15> uh
#216 [03:11] <dexray15> yes
#217 [03:11] <Kealper> did you ever change that back to 0.0.0.0 to see what happens?
#218 [03:11] <dexray15> you told me not to
#219 [03:12] <Kealper> actually i said it was probably a good idea to set it back to 0.0.0.0 :P
#220 [03:12] <dexray15> oh
#221 [03:12] <dexray15> sorry
#222 [03:12] <dexray15> hold on
#223 [03:12] <dexray15> it wont let me edit them
#224 [03:12] <dexray15> so i have to delete and remake
#225 [03:13] <dexray15> do i just keep everything the same just change the 71
#226 [03:13] <Kealper> yep, just add the port in there and the LAN IP where it says, but leave the external ports and external IP alone
#227 [03:13] <Kealper> no idea if this will fix it, but it's worth a try
#228 [03:14] <dexray15> external what?
#229 [03:14] <Kealper> remote
#230 [03:14] <dexray15> should i just send you a screenshot?
#231 [03:14] <dexray15> i have dropbox so i could do it really fast
#232 [03:14] <Kealper> well, let me recap real fast before you do
#233 [03:14] <dexray15> ok
#234 [03:14] <Kealper> in the 1. spot
#235 [03:15] <Kealper> Starting port: 7564
#236 [03:15] <Kealper> Ending port: 7564
#237 [03:15] <Kealper> Protocol: TCP
#238 [03:15] <Kealper> LAN IP Address: 192.168.0.2
#239 [03:15] <dexray15> but what about this spot
#240 [03:15] <dexray15> 2. Enter the remote port and IP information. (Optional) Starting Port: Ending Port: Remote IP Address: Use 0.0.0.0 for any IP Address
#241 [03:15] <Kealper> leave everything in the 2. spot blank, except for the last spot, where it asks for a remote IP, leave that at 0.0.0.0
#242 [03:15] <Kealper> apply that, and see if it works
#243 [03:16] <dexray15> oh
#244 [03:16] <dexray15> okay
#245 [03:16] <dexray15> do you still want the screenshot?
#246 [03:16] <dexray15> cause i have it..
#247 [03:16] <Kealper> if this doesn't work, then yeah send me the screenshot
#248 [03:16] <dexray15> its just a link
#249 [03:16] <dexray15> k
#250 [03:16] <Kealper> oh, well.. if it's already uploaded
#251 [03:16] <Kealper> might as well look it over real fast lol
#252 [03:16] <dexray15> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/43485159/Modemsthesedays.png
#253 [03:17] <Kealper> i assume you've filled out the 1. spot on top accordingly, and left the 2. spot on the bottom section at it's defaults?
#254 [03:17] <dexray15> about to
#255 [03:18] <dexray15> k now it says this
#256 [03:18] <dexray15> LAN Ports Protocol LAN IP Address Remote Ports Remote IP Address Edit 7564 - 7564 TCP 192.168.0.2 N/A N/A 7564 - 7564 UDP 192.168.0.2 N/A N/A
#257 [03:18] <Kealper> ok, once filled out, click apply and then go in to the DMZ spot and remove your computer from the DMZ, so we can see if the port forwarding alone helps it
#258 [03:18] <dexray15> ok
#259 [03:18] <dexray15> done
#260 [03:19] <Kealper> ok, your Minecraft server is running still?
#261 [03:19] <dexray15> i need to turn it back on hold on
#262 [03:20] <dexray15> done
#263 [03:20] <Kealper> !check 71.212.59.61:7564
#264 [03:20] <Kealper> wahey
#265 [03:20] <dexray15> ?
#266 [03:20] <Kealper> looks like the problem was just that it didn't want the second spot in that port forwarding page filled out
#267 [03:20] <dexray15> so im done?
#268 [03:20] <Kealper> looks like it
#269 [03:20] <dexray15> :D
#270 [03:20] <dexray15> your the best :3
#271 [03:21] * Kealper looks at the time and sees it's 3:20am
#271 [03:21] <dexray15> if you want you can add me on minecraft forums? :D
#272 [03:21] <Kealper> glad i could help, but i've got a bed crying out my name lol
#273 [03:21] <dexray15> i only have 1 friend right now :(
#274 [03:21] <Kealper> i don't really use the forums at all lol
#275 [03:21] <dexray15> oh
#276 [03:21] <Kealper> i'm mostly just on here
#277 [03:21] <dexray15> okay
#278 [03:21] <dexray15> am i ever able to get on and just talk to you?
#279 [03:22] <Kealper> uhh... as of late i'm not as active on here, but usually later in the day you can just message me and i'll answer right away unless i'm busy elsewhere
#280 [03:22] <WizardCM> !check mc.wizardcm.com
#281 [03:22] <WizardCM> heh
#282 [03:22] <WizardCM> never seen that before
#283 [03:22] <dexray15> okay
#284 [03:22] <WizardCM> thats pretty good
#285 [03:22] <Kealper> !cheeck localhost
#286 [03:22] <dexray15> well ima go to bed too
#287 [03:22] <WizardCM> haha
#288 [03:22] <Kealper> derp
#289 [03:23] <Kealper> cya lol
#290 [03:23] <dexray15> thanks again :)
#291 [03:23] <Kealper> !check localhost
#292 [03:23] <WizardCM> heh
#293 [03:23] <WizardCM> !check 127.0.0.1
#294 [03:23] <WizardCM> aww :P
#295 [03:24] <Kealper> !check 127.234.154.240
#296 [03:24] <WizardCM> bots can be so much fun
#297 [03:24] <WizardCM> o.o
#298 [03:24] <Kealper> oh, so i did make that do the entire 127.0.0.0/8 block
#299 [03:24] <WizardCM> !check mc.twit.tv
#300 [03:24] <WizardCM> only 6 players? heh
#301 [03:24] <Kealper> 300?
#302 [03:24] <WizardCM> usually around this time there are at least 20
#303 [03:24] <Kealper> jeebus
#304 [03:25] <WizardCM> haha
#305 [03:25] <WizardCM> TWiT has a lot of viewers
#306 [03:25] <WizardCM> they had to make sure their server would be enough
#307 [03:25] <Kealper> that server would probably die so hard with 300 players on that at once
#308 [03:25] <WizardCM> actually they reached about 200 when they opened
#309 [03:25] <WizardCM> and it handled it pretty well
#310 [03:25] <Kealper> well.. the server might do fine, but i've found protection plugins just crap out and cause massive lag at those numbers
#311 [03:25] <WizardCM> i think their server is the highest one available on server central
#312 [03:26] <Kealper> !check s.nerd.nu
#313 [03:26] <WizardCM> !check balthazar.thegdr.com
#314 [03:26] <WizardCM> 7!
#315 [03:26] <WizardCM> i've... never seen more than 3
#316 [03:27] <Kealper> anyways.... attempt to not abuse the bot too much in here, it's not an issue this late at night but it could be spammy durring the day hours, it accepts commands via PM, too
#317 [03:27] <WizardCM> of course
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#319 [03:28] * Kealper drags himself off to his bed
#319 [03:28] * Kealper waves
#319 [03:30] <WizardCM> night Kealper
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#323 [03:59] <SenorHeff> hi
#324 [03:59] <SenorHeff> GreyVulpine are you there?
#325 [04:02] <SenorHeff> Anyway, turns out my lag was caused by Graphics Card and 80% my physical memory being used all the time. I solved this by reinstalling Windows 7. After running it now, I get a better fps 60-100. Its better than before, so im not too worried about it.
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#328 [04:25] <Guest__> can i talk to a mod? i need support with my account
#329 [04:26] <Guest__> can i talk to a moderator?
#330 [04:26] <DiskDaemon> There is nobody officially from Mojang here, but how can we help?
#331 [04:26] <Guest__> im having account issues
#332 [04:27] <DiskDaemon> What sort of issues?
#333 [04:27] <Guest__> it says my account credentials arnt valid, so i tried to make a new account. the new account form said my email was in use with a 'local forum' account
#334 [04:27] <Guest__> i should be more specific, when i tried to recover my password, it said my email wasnt in the database
#335 [04:28] <DiskDaemon> Do you can no longer log in to your account?
#336 [04:28] <Guest__> correct
#337 [04:28] <DiskDaemon> Mojang do provide some support for you in regard to that, over at http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/361482-i-can-no-longer-log-into-minecraft-net
#338 [04:29] <Guest__> this is regarding the forums at this site, not the actual minecraft game
#339 [04:29] <DiskDaemon> "this site" being esper.net ?
#340 [04:29] <Guest__> minecraftforum.net
#341 [04:30] <DiskDaemon> Okay, the forums are completely different then. I can only suggest that you contact admin over there
#342 [04:30] <Guest__> the link u sent me?
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#344 [04:30] <DiskDaemon> No, the link I sent you was for official Minecraft-related stuff
#345 [04:31] <Guest__> i see. i tried to browse the forums for contact information, but i couldnt find any, and of course couldnt post asking
#346 [04:31] <Guest__> i cant find any 'contact us' or anything either
#347 [04:31] <DiskDaemon> Look at the bottom of the page. There's an About Us section
#348 [04:32] <Guest__> ahh, yea they sometimes hide it in there.
#349 [04:32] <Guest__> thanks, uv been a lot of help :)
#350 [04:32] <DiskDaemon> you're welcome
#351 [04:32] <DiskDaemon> you're welcome
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#355 [04:35] <engineer_vaates> diskdaemon?
#356 [04:35] <DiskDaemon> yes?
#357 [04:35] <DiskDaemon> you were the guest before
#358 [04:36] <engineer_vaates> i am
#359 [04:36] <engineer_vaates> i changed my name when i came in, sorry for the confusion
#360 [04:36] <engineer_vaates> i just had an idea. is there a way to log into the minecraftforum.net without curse?
#361 [04:36] <DiskDaemon> not that I know of
#362 [04:36] <engineer_vaates> i registered with the forum before registration was done through curse
#363 [04:37] <DiskDaemon> last I knew they had migrated everyone across
#364 [04:37] <engineer_vaates> i must have fallen through the cracks
#365 [04:38] <engineer_vaates> what is the curse client?
#366 [04:38] <DiskDaemon> Ahh hang on, you can log in with the old account from http://www.minecraftforum.net/index.php?app=curseauth&module=global§ion=login
#367 [04:39] <engineer_vaates> no, that still takes me to the curse page
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#369 [04:40] <Chris> Just got this in my email, http://i.cgw.me/76C.png I can't read a word of it so, what now?
#370 [04:43] <Chris> I ran it via google translate, I didn't even realise I signed up on the minecraft wiki
#371 [04:44] <DiskDaemon> That page I linked you to - did you not see the link at the bottom?
#372 [04:45] <engineer_vaates> didnt even glance at it. i see it now, let me try it
#373 [04:46] <engineer_vaates> that did it! thanks again!
#374 [04:46] <DiskDaemon> you're welcome
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#406 [10:23] <Greggorious> Anyone able to assist me? I have some new found issues with my game sound switching from 32bit Java to a recent install of Java 64bit.
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#418 [11:01] <Greggorious> Anyone able to assist me? I have some new found issues with my game sound switching from 32bit Java to a recent install of Java 64bit.
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#454 [14:45] <peter> hiho
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#456 [14:46] <Teekeks> I think I need some help, I like to buy a Minecraft Gift-Code with PayPal, but ifI am on the Shop, I can not choose PayPal to pay
#457 [14:47] <Teekeks> (it is not displayed)
#458 [14:47] <Teekeks> what do I wrong?
#459 [14:47] <Morrolan> You can't buy gift codes through PayPal anymore, got removed due to stolen accounts being used to buy gift codes.
#460 [14:47] <Teekeks> damn
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#462 [14:52] <Teekeks> ok, thx for helping me. I now using a nother method
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#468 [16:25] <Oh_yeah> Hello minecrafteers I'm looking for a fansite kit. google wasn't that helpful or i found dead links. Does somebody have any good suggestions?
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#470 [16:25] <Morrolan> There's no official one.
#471 [16:25] <frankysek> can anyone help me?
#472 [16:25] <WugBot> frankysek: (ww) Help you with what? Please describe the problem in detail.
#473 [16:26] <Oh_yeah> okay so is there any fanmade-fansite kit or graphic pages i can use for public
#474 [16:26] <frankysek> When i purschare game I recieve email with code?
#475 [16:27] <Morrolan> When you purchase it you will receive a confirmation mail, and your account will get activated.
#476 [16:27] <Morrolan> No code will be sent out.
#477 [16:27] <Morrolan> Unless you purchase a gift code, ofcourse.
#478 [16:27] <frankysek> how long i can wait?
#479 [16:27] <Morrolan> Oh_yeah - I don't know of one, personally.
#480 [16:27] <Morrolan> frankysek - Can take up to 48 hours.
#481 [16:27] <frankysek> ok thanks so much
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#483 [16:41] <sluggo> Who plays Mine craft?
#484 [16:41] <sluggo> Any one..
#485 [16:41] <sluggo> I need help i Forgot my Login Name It was like Abele Then 3 numbers..
#486 [16:42] <Morrolan> Use the "I forgot my name" feature then.
#487 [16:42] <Morrolan> http://www.minecraft.net/retrievename
#488 [16:43] <sluggo> Yeah But my emal was "Abele((3numbers))@yahoo.com..
#489 [16:43] <clarjon1> we don't have access to the databases, sluggo
#490 [16:43] <sluggo> Who can i talk to?
#491 [16:43] <clarjon1> You'll need to remember your email address if you want the game back.
#492 [16:43] <clarjon1> hmm
#493 [16:44] <clarjon1> you could try emailing the mojang team -- their addresses can be found on their website, as i recall.
#494 [16:44] <clarjon1> sluggo: were you given a gift code?
#495 [16:45] <sluggo> No i paid with a card? if that's what you mean.
#496 [16:45] <clarjon1> ah
#497 [16:45] <xales> If you forgot both your email address *and* username, you are pretty much SOL.
#498 [16:45] <clarjon1> sluggo: Well, you'd need the invoice number, but if you had access to that, you'd have access to your email,. heh.
#499 [16:45] <sluggo> I know the pass and Some of email..Just I forgot the name.
#500 [16:46] <clarjon1> well, we dont' know, and we have no way of knowing, sorry.
#501 [16:46] <sluggo> Anyone know a Name like "abele950" or Somrthing like that.
#502 [16:47] <xales> No.
#503 [16:48] <xales> sluggo: There is no purchase recorded for an account with that username.
#504 [16:48] <sluggo> Well I don't remeber the Numbers
#505 [16:48] <sluggo> It was like "Abel(( Then 3 number))
#506 [16:49] <sluggo> IS their a way you can like seach the name then tell me all the names you see with "Abele"
#507 [16:49] <sluggo> Il know it once i see it i hope.
#508 [16:49] <xales> As I have already said, if you don't know either your username or your email address, there is pretty much nothing that can be done by anybody.
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#511 [16:49] <xales> As you have already been told, no. We do not have access to the accounts database.
#512 [16:49] <sluggo> Who has access to the DB? Mojang?
#513 [16:50] <xales> Without proof that you are the account owner, Mojang will also not disclose any information about the account. This includes the username.
#514 [16:51] * zkxs is know known as zkxs'); DROP TABLE Users;
#514 [16:52] <xales> ._.
#515 [16:53] <sluggo> Mojang have a number i can call or somthing? lol..
#516 [16:53] <xales> No.
#517 [16:53] <AmberK> 555-555-5555
#518 [16:53] <xales> Well, they do. Unless you like paying for international calls to Sweden, I don't think you will want to use it.
#519 [16:53] <AmberK> \o/
#520 [16:54] <xales> sluggo: If you have no information about the account other than "part of the username was..." there is absolutely no possibility for you to get it back
#521 [16:55] <AmberK> emails are great to have
#522 [16:55] <Boreeas> E-mail? Pfft. ToIP is where it's at.
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#524 [16:56] <xales> I prefer writing messages out using Legos and 3D-faxing them.
#525 [16:56] <Morrolan> I use pidgeons.
#526 [16:56] <Morrolan> Has worked for hundreds of years, so why abandon it!
#527 [16:57] <zkxs> You can do ToIP with pigeons: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_over_Avian_Carriers
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#529 [16:57] <Skittnator> hey guys my game is crashing when i try and open my inventory
#530 [16:57] <Morrolan> There is no "d" in pigeons?
#531 [16:57] <zkxs> nope
#532 [16:58] <Morrolan> Hmph.
#533 [16:58] * AmberK|Away uses the finest bald eagles to send her messages
#533 [16:58] <Morrolan> Well, at the very least I know about his now.
#534 [16:58] <Morrolan> Skittnator - Using any mods?
#535 [16:58] <Skittnator> nope
#536 [16:58] <Skittnator> worked fine the other day
#537 [16:58] <Skittnator> now I press E which is inventory in my options and I see a flash of a code window and then darkness.
#538 [16:58] <Morrolan> Well, chances are one of the items in your inventory got corrupted.
#539 [16:58] <Skittnator> so much darkness...
#540 [16:58] <Skittnator> oh good!
#541 [16:58] <Morrolan> I suggest you use a tool like INVEdit, and check whether there's something strange in there.
#542 [16:59] <Skittnator> can I just redownload the game?
#543 [16:59] <Morrolan> Possibly remove/replace all the items.
#544 [16:59] <Morrolan> This won't affect your inventory.
#545 [16:59] <Morrolan> But you can try, maybe it's a bug which isn't related to the inventory.
#546 [16:59] <zkxs> Skittnator: You could just generate a new level and see if it has the problem too
#547 [16:59] <Morrolan> If you want to try a fresh version of the game first, use the "force update" button in the launcher -> options menu
#548 [16:59] <Skittnator> thats how it started, i just made a new world so I can roleplay dances with wolves and thats when it start crashing
#549 [17:00] <Skittnator> i just restard it and now its working
#550 [17:00] <Skittnator> wth
#551 [17:01] <zkxs> #minecrafthelp fixed it!
#552 [17:01] <Skittnator> I do have a mac and a 32" monitor hooked up to it, it might be that I started the client on my monitor?
#553 [17:01] <Skittnator> thank you all, I deserve this.
#554 [17:01] <Morrolan> Uh, there used to be an issue on Mac OSX with two monitors, but I think that one caused it to crash at startup.
#555 [17:02] <Morrolan> Well, whatever the cause was, if it's fine now it's good.
#556 [17:02] <Skittnator> undoubtedly
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#568 [17:52] <daf> Hello, I recently bought a copy of Minecraft as did a friend of mine. Our plan was to play coop. survival mode. At first I tried to play on my laptop, by connecting to his wireless network and then joining the MC server he was running ( on the same computer he was playing the client from) . Unforunately the laptop couldn't run the game smoothly and I would constantly drop to 10fps. Today,
#569 [17:52] <daf> I brought my desktop computer over and realized that it doesn't have a wireless card. I was hoping we could still connect via a LAN and I could see, and connect to the server running on his desktop.
#570 [17:53] <zkxs> Sure, that would work. Does the LAN have internet access?
#571 [17:54] <daf> He has a wireless router that may have an internal switch I am not sure, and possibly a belkin hub I would have to dig around for
#572 [17:54] <daf> He connects to a public wireless network
#573 [17:54] <zkxs> So his router is not connected to the internet?
#574 [17:55] <daf> correct
#575 [17:55] <zkxs> That would be more of an issue to you than connecting to his computer
#576 [17:55] <daf> I wasn't sure if we could both connect to the router and create a network between the 2 of us
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#578 [17:56] <zkxs> To play over LAN without internet, the server would have to be in offline mode
#579 [17:57] <GreyVulpine> Would also play havoc on name authentication
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#582 [17:59] <daf> Would that be the correct configuration of our network? Both of us plug into the wireless router via cat5?
#583 [17:59] <zkxs> The wireless AP and the (usually 4) ethernet ports on a router go to the same network, so no worries there
#584 [18:00] <zkxs> One of you could be on wifi, one wired. It is all the same network
#585 [18:00] <daf> GreyVulpine you don't happen to play Dungeon Crawl, do you?
#586 [18:00] <daf> zkxs ah ok that makes perfect sense, if no uplink cord is plugged in then it automatically creates an internal network for us
#587 [18:01] <zkxs> uplink cord? You have an internal network regardless
#588 [18:03] <zkxs> All users connected to a router (via wifi or ethernet) are in a local area network
#589 [18:03] <GreyVulpine> No, I don't
#590 [18:03] <zkxs> Each computer, and the router is assigned an internal IP address, usually 192.168.1.*
#591 [18:04] <zkxs> The router is defined as the 'default gateway', meaning it is path through which packets to the internet, or wide area network must travel
#592 [18:04] <daf> I just ask because there is a vulpinus admin over there as well ;) the two games are quite similar actually...
#593 [18:05] <zkxs> Even if there is no connection to the internet in a network, the computers can still communicate internally with each other using their local IP addresses
#594 [18:05] <daf> zkxs understood, thanks ... On my doom-lagged laptop, before we setup and used Himachi, the server output console would list *:26555 as the ip and I was unsure as to how to display the true IP that I would connec tto
#595 [18:06] <zkxs> have him run `ipconfig` in the command prompt
#596 [18:07] <zkxs> ipconfig lists settings for each network adapter. Under the wireless adapter (if he's using wireless) there will be an IPv4 entry, which is is local IP
#597 [18:16] <daf> Ok I am powering on the wireless router... this is sounding promising. Thanks for your help
#598 [18:26] <daf> are you familiar with Hamachi? do I still need to run that on the server? it's showing an entry in ipconfig for the hamachi interface as well as the wired interface which is going to the wireless router
#599 [18:27] <daf> I am thinking I may be able to close it down now that I will be connecting to the 192.168 address
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#602 [18:39] <zkxs> Hamachi is NOT needed
#603 [18:39] <zkxs> in fact, it conflicts with the internet
#604 [18:42] <AmberK> not quite
#605 [18:42] <AmberK> but
#606 [18:42] <AmberK> it definately doesn't help anyone
#607 [18:47] <GreyVulpine> It's kinda what we tell people to scare them off
#608 [18:49] <Boreeas> Everything I've been told was a lie D:
#609 [18:52] <AmberK> I just say that people can google how to screw up your computer
#610 [18:52] <AmberK> which is the truth ._.
#611 [18:52] <AmberK> for hamachi
#612 [18:52] <andrewxios> you can use hamachi for games with lan mod, using it on minecraft is kinda useless
#613 [18:52] <zkxs> the 5.*.*.** block has been allocated, and hamachi is still sqatting on it
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#615 [18:53] <daf_> My desktop is sitting here without internet access...how much trouble is it to try to download the full offline version ( and whatever other dependencies I may need Java? ) and flash drive transfer it over to my desktop? Are those the only 2 things I would need?
#616 [18:53] <zkxs> If that isn't conflicting with the internet, I don't know what is
#617 [18:54] <zkxs> there isn't an 'offline' and an 'online' version, there is one minecraft that works online or offline
#618 [18:54] <Boreeas> daf_: Not hard. You will need java, and the minecraft files.
#619 [18:54] <Boreeas> daf_: All the non-java files will be in .minecraft, so if you copy that one over, you are good to go
#620 [18:55] <Boreeas> (Except if they are different operating systems)
#621 [18:55] <AmberK> zkxs: the issue, iirc, is that it may cause some programs to bind to the hamachi IP instead of your lan ip
#622 [18:58] <daf_> What about the java installer could you help me find one that would update an old system? My desktop that I brought over was a rig I built that hasn't been powered on in a year or so, it's not up to date...hopefully I won't need to install 3 different versions to catch up. Let me see which java it currently has...
#623 [18:59] <zkxs> a year or so old should be all right
#624 [19:00] <zkxs> I'm assuming it has an older java 6
#625 [19:00] <daf_> looks like 1.6.0
#626 [19:00] <zkxs> Since you won't have internet, you don't need the security updates, and you're good to go
#627 [19:01] <zkxs> 1.6.0 = java 6
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#629 [19:02] <daf_> ok
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#631 [19:02] <daf_> Well I was able to launch MC now, but the window is flashing different colors
#632 [19:03] <daf_> I can still see the lobby and multiplayer lobby but its just flashing colors...maybe a gpu issue now?
#633 [19:03] <firestorm21> hello?
#634 [19:03] <daf_> Hey there
#635 [19:03] <firestorm21> I have a problem with multiplayer
#636 [19:04] <firestorm21> hello?
#637 [19:04] <GreyVulpine> Could you elaborate?
#638 [19:04] <Boreeas> firestorm21: You will need to tell us more than just "help it won't work"
#639 [19:05] <firestorm21> whenever i try to open a server it says: Internal client error: java.net.SocketException: Address family not supported by protocol family
#640 [19:05] <firestorm21> :connect
#641 [19:06] <GreyVulpine> Ah, I remember that one
#642 [19:06] <firestorm21> it is evil
#643 [19:06] <GreyVulpine> Spyware, if I remember correctly..
#644 [19:06] <GreyVulpine> Um
#645 [19:06] <GreyVulpine> ;search knowledge
#646 [19:06] <WugBot> Matches for "knowledge": rk
#647 [19:06] <GreyVulpine> ;rk
#648 [19:06] <GreyVulpine> :rk
#649 [19:06] <WugBot> rk: A specific spyware program called "Relevant Knowledge" is known to directly conflict with minecraft. Symptoms include failure of minecraft to download updates (either error messages or freezing while downloading).
#650 [19:06] <WugBot> rk: To check if you're affected, open the task manager (ctrl+alt+del) and search the list of processes for entries called "rlvknlg.exe". Relevant Knowledge can be uninstalled from add/remove programs.
#651 [19:06] <GreyVulpine> ^
#652 [19:06] <firestorm21> ok
#653 [19:09] <firestorm21> thanks
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#658 [19:45] <halfofpi> hey, I bought Minecraft in october of 2010 and I haven't really played it. Since I've been reading articles on it, I would like to play again, but it is telling me that I need to buy it when I log in
#659 [19:45] <zkxs> what website did you buy it from?
#660 [19:45] <halfofpi> I've sent 3 emails to the different staff with no response back
#661 [19:45] <halfofpi> minecraft.net
#662 [19:45] <halfofpi> it worked when i bought it
#663 [19:46] <halfofpi> but it was still in beta i think
#664 [19:46] <zkxs> You could call your credit card company or bank and see if it was charged back. If the payment is rescinded, mojang will remove premium status
#665 [19:46] <halfofpi> It was all done with credit I had in paypal. There were no charge backs on it
#666 [19:47] <zkxs> Are you sure you have the right account? Some people have more than one
#667 [19:47] <halfofpi> I only have one
#668 [19:47] <zkxs> what is the account name?
#669 [19:47] <halfofpi> halfofpi
#670 [19:47] <zkxs> !paid halfofpi
#671 [19:47] <zkxs> Well, it isn't premium
#672 [19:48] <halfofpi> really strange. So i guess im out the $17
#673 [19:48] <zkxs> Mojang's support is currently behind on emails, but they should eventually get back to you
#674 [19:49] <zkxs> If you are patient, I'd go that route. If you aren't patient, you could buy another account.
#675 [19:49] <halfofpi> alright, ill hold tight
#676 [19:49] <zkxs> That is what I'd do. I'm cheaper than I am impatient :P
#677 [19:50] <halfofpi> Haha, yes. It just sucks that I've already paid for it, and was promised that I wouldnt have to pay more/again after its beta, and its starting to not look that way.
#678 [19:50] <halfofpi> but the best I can do is hope they dont ignore my emails
#679 [19:55] <zkxs> They *should* eventually work their way up to it
#680 [19:55] <zkxs> Last I heard, they were working on emails from March
#681 [19:56] <halfofpi> I actually wanted to play in november, and sent them 2 emails one to Daniel Kaplan, and one to Mojang AB on 11/18/11 and I never got a response
#682 [19:57] <halfofpi> Both had a Screen capture of my paypal payment, and a previous email saying that my account was premium
#683 [19:58] <zkxs> this channel isn't affiliated with Mojang, so there isn't anything I can do about it
#684 [20:00] <halfofpi> i know, just bummed
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#690 [20:57] <CrusaderDeleters> Hello, a friend keeps argueing with me, and I keep telling him that infinite obsidian generators are glitches. Are they glitches?
#691 [20:57] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#692 [20:57] <CrusaderDeleters> I knew it.
#693 [20:58] <CrusaderDeleters> TGhanks, grey.
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#696 [21:24] <langkid1> e_e I just made a change to the simple wikipedia page for Minecraft, removed the Aether section
#697 [21:24] <langkid1> because the Aether is a mod and not part of the game, Wikipedia is there to tell about the game, not it's mods!
#698 [21:25] <langkid1> To show one mod would say that the others don't deserve to be shown
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#702 [22:00] <Tyrope> Greetings. I'm updating my server machine to Ubuntu 12.04 and want to run a private MC server on it. are there any packages I need to apt-get?
#703 [22:06] <AmberK> screen
#704 [22:06] <AmberK> mysql-server
#705 [22:06] <AmberK> openjdk-7-jre
#706 [22:06] <AmberK> mostly that
#707 [22:07] <Tyrope> I don't see why you'd need screen. but thx for the jre tip.
#708 [22:07] <AmberK> screen so that you can run a seperate instance, but still utilize your command line in different areas
#709 [22:07] <Tyrope> I know what screen is. ;)
#710 [22:08] * AmberK freaks out about why you need it
#710 [22:08] <Tyrope> It's a private non-24/7 server, so i'll be SSH'd in while it's running anyway.
#711 [22:09] <AmberK> meh ._.
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#713 [22:29] <Reno> hello
#714 [22:30] <Reno> I was wondering if I purchased a minecraft server from beastnode if i would be able to host my CraftProxy server
#715 [22:34] <Moose> take it up with beastnode.
#716 [22:34] <Moose> <Tyrope> I don't see why you'd need screen. but thx for the jre tip.
#717 [22:34] <Moose> <AmberK> screen so that you can run a seperate instance, but still utilize your command line in different areas
#718 [22:34] <Moose> <Tyrope> I know what screen is. ;)
#719 [22:35] <AmberK> wut
#720 [22:35] <AmberK> >_>
#721 [22:35] <Spiderman> fuck sake that guy is stupid >.>
#722 [22:35] <AmberK> whowhat
#723 [22:35] * AmberK super confused
#723 [22:35] <Spiderman> Reno.
#724 [22:36] <Spiderman> He's asked in 3-4 channels other than #beastnode
#725 [22:36] <AmberK> He come here often?
#726 [22:36] <Spiderman> where he was also in.
#727 [22:36] <AmberK> ah
#728 [22:45] <Moose> it's kind of sad
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#730 [22:45] <Moose> I had no clue someone would be so stupid enough to say "screen isn't needed for running a minecraft server."
#731 [22:46] <Jean> some games doesnt require screen to run a server
#732 [22:46] <Jean> maybe he mistook
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#734 [22:46] <pyre> do you guys have any suggestions as to how i can advertise my 24/7 server so I can get some peeps up in that mah
#735 [22:47] <Jean> yes, with adbot bot
#736 [22:47] <Jean> but the bot is not here right now
#737 [22:48] <pyre> ok, when it comes up, can you help a bruh out??
#738 [22:48] <Jean> come back later and add your advertisment to the bot, it will spam once a day
#739 [22:48] <Jean> yes
#740 [22:49] <AmberK> wut
#741 [22:50] <Eddie> wut
#742 [22:50] <pyre> wutt
#743 [22:50] <AmberK> wat
#744 [22:50] <pyre> whutt
#745 [22:50] <Eddie> That's enough.
#746 [22:51] <AmberK> suddenly, portal! http://bit.ly/L13PdO \o/
#747 [22:51] <pyre> i have a 24/7 serrver up and running, pm me if interested
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#749 [22:59] <langkid> pyre, well you can go to one of those sites where you bid for placements
#750 [22:59] <langkid> the cheapest way to get players would be to tell people in #smp , pray for no griefers, and hope that anyone that joins tells their friends
#751 [22:59] <langkid> or tell your friends, assuming you have friends.
#752 [23:00] <langkid> pyre, also 24/7 server isn't gonna get many people in as your main point, try having something unique
#753 [23:01] <langkid> I'm not going to get into how if you have enough cash you could get as many players as you want because I'll rant but you CAN pay sites to make massive adverts to get players for you
#754 [23:07] <zkxs> The way to do it is invite your friends from school, tell them they can invite whoever they want.
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#758 [23:59] <yellowduck360> Hey, I'm trying to run Hack / Mine and I'm getting this error - http://pastebin.com/UzxGqHZ0