#1 [00:00] <krennn> its my first time loading it, so it wont even open just after the part that you accept or decline the update
#2 [00:00] <Stygander> krennn: try getting the updated launcher
#3 [00:00] <kairkyo> have you reciently added a mod?
#4 [00:01] <kairkyo> i think hes keeping an old version
#5 [00:01] <krennn> just gave me a "fatal error"
#6 [00:01] <kairkyo> did you just add a mod?
#7 [00:01] <krennn> where would i go to dl the new one? I went to mincraft.net
#8 [00:01] <kairkyo> thats it
#9 [00:01] <krennn> I havent added any mods yet
#10 [00:01] <kairkyo> are yopu using a 32 or 54 bit os
#11 [00:02] <kairkyo> 64*
#12 [00:02] <krennn> 64
#13 [00:02] <kairkyo> i just realized yoiu said first time
#14 [00:02] <kairkyo> do you have the 64 bit java?
#15 [00:02] <krennn> its okay, any help is appreciated.
#16 [00:02] <krennn> i honestly dont know it just directed me to the java site and downloaded that update
#17 [00:03] <GreyVulpine> What fatal error, exactly?
#18 [00:03] <GreyVulpine> Do you have the exact error message?
#19 [00:03] <krennn> fatal error 4 connection reset
#20 [00:03] <GreyVulpine> Ah-hah..
#21 [00:03] <GreyVulpine> What antivirus do you run?
#22 [00:03] <krennn> avg
#23 [00:03] <GreyVulpine> That would do it
#24 [00:03] <kairkyo> ewwwww
#25 [00:03] <krennn> haha
#26 [00:03] <kairkyo> go get clamwin and get rid of that POS
#27 [00:03] <krennn> thats always a good sign
#28 [00:03] <GreyVulpine> Go to into AVG's options, disable the linkscanner module, then force update through the launcher's options menu before logging in
#29 [00:04] <GreyVulpine> AVG is notorious for fatal error 4 (blah) messages
#30 [00:04] <kairkyo> agv is notorious for being crap
#31 [00:04] <GreyVulpine> Personally, I'd recommend MSE, microsoft security essentials, if you're looking for something free
#32 [00:04] <Dan> blue doors yes or no?
#33 [00:05] <kairkyo> clamwin is free
#34 [00:05] <kairkyo> and i wouldent trust microsoft in ANY aspects involving security
#35 [00:05] <krennn> well that worked great
#36 [00:06] <kairkyo> anyways GreyVulpine any sugestions for my issue?
#37 [00:06] <GreyVulpine> Sorry, I just popped in. Could you restate?
#38 [00:06] <krennn> well i couldnt find the link scanner portion but i disabled it for a brief bit and it worked
#39 [00:06] <GreyVulpine> Or let me read up a bit?
#40 [00:06] <kairkyo> yeah scroll up, wasnt that far byond when you came in
#41 [00:06] <krennn> Thank you all so much hope you have a great night and happy crafting
#42 [00:06] <GreyVulpine> Sorry, I don't know that much about buildcraft, or many mods.
#43 [00:07] <GreyVulpine> Glad we could help krennn
#44 [00:07] <kairkyo> well i doon think its a problem with buildcraft, i just dont think the mod is loading
#45 [00:07] <kairkyo> but you also said you dun know about many mods so ohwell
#46 [00:08] <GreyVulpine> Sorry, modding help is just something I don't specialize in here. Others may know more. You may want to try #risucraft
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#54 [00:38] <Boots> Game not working. tried buying game again and the game still wouldn't work on the computer. please help. i really just need a refund for the game i just bought
#55 [00:38] <Lardman|YouTube> What do you mean it is not working?
#56 [00:38] <GreyVulpine> Call your bank to request any refunds.
#57 [00:38] <Lardman|YouTube> Boots, Do you get an error message?
#58 [00:38] <Boots> i think there is corrupted data on the computer so it wont allow the game to play if i update it
#59 [00:40] <Boots> it says that the minecraft bin folder doesn't exist on the computer even when i downloaded a new game
#60 [00:41] <GreyVulpine> When you download minecraft, the client, from minecraft.net/download, it doesn't contain all the game files
#61 [00:41] <GreyVulpine> The launcher needs to verify your account status before it actually downloads the rest of the game files
#62 [00:42] <GreyVulpine> Now, what is the exact error message you get?
#63 [00:42] <Boots> but when i downloaded the game before it verified everything. but all of a sudden it wouldn't download the packages and said that the /bin file doesn't exist
#64 [00:42] <Boots> the error message is code 4 i believe saying the folder doesn't exist
#65 [00:42] <GreyVulpine> Strange.. First off, what operating system are you on?
#66 [00:43] <GreyVulpine> Ah, I take it you have AVG, the antivirus?
#67 [00:43] <Lardman|YouTube> boots, what is your ign?
#68 [00:43] <Boots> ?
#69 [00:43] <Lardman|YouTube> Minecraft name
#70 [00:43] <Boots> i have a mac
#71 [00:43] <Boots> MynameisBoots is the client name
#72 [00:43] <GreyVulpine> Alright, what security software do you have on the machine?
#73 [00:43] <GreyVulpine> Most likely, it's blocking it
#74 [00:44] <Boots> I just downloaded Bitdefender Virus Scanner to see if i could identify a virus but that is just now. i believe it is just the standard mac firewall
#75 [00:44] <Lardman|YouTube> HOld, boots, sometimes it is as simple as playing in browser and letting it download
#76 [00:44] <Lardman|YouTube> hold on*
#77 [00:45] <GreyVulpine> Sure, but if the security software doesn't let minecraft download, minecraft will throw error 4s
#78 [00:45] <Lardman|YouTube> I would try going in browser
#79 [00:45] <Lardman|YouTube> Then trying to login with anti virus off
#80 [00:45] <Lardman|YouTube> firewall*
#81 [00:47] <Boots> play in browser instead of downloading? is that right?
#82 [00:47] <Lardman|YouTube> yes
#83 [00:47] <Boots> nope. the same thing occured
#84 [00:48] <Boots> it still says that the file doesn't exist
#85 [00:48] <Lardman|YouTube> Okay, now try disabling all firewalls. See if that will work
#86 [00:48] <Boots> i did
#87 [00:48] <Boots> didn't work
#88 [00:48] <Lardman|YouTube> Hm....
#89 [00:48] <Boots> i was given a textcode before to find the file
#90 [00:48] <Boots> but the computer returned saying there is no such file
#91 [00:49] <Boots> when i use the code to pull up the file the folder pops up but it is empty
#92 [00:49] <Lardman|YouTube> very odd. It sounds like it could be a virus
#93 [00:49] <Lardman|YouTube> Maybe
#94 [00:50] <Boots> k. i will try to have apple figure it out then. i believe i am still in warranty. i hope
#95 [00:50] <Boots> thanks for the help
#96 [00:50] <Lardcoveredman> Let us know if you find a solution
#97 [00:51] <Boots> how would i get a refund. i tried buying the game but it didn't work so is there anyway i can get a refund. or who do i contact
#98 [00:52] <Lardman> Mojang does not offer refunds
#99 [00:52] <Lardman> You could try and reverse the reaction through your bank
#100 [00:52] <Boots> …. that sucks
#101 [00:52] <GreyVulpine> It would be faster if you did it through your bank
#102 [00:52] <Boots> k. thanks
#103 [00:53] <Boots> bye
#104 [00:53] * GreyVulpine waves
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#105 [01:01] <kairkyo> is there a way to switch to your normal inventory while using NEI to switc to creative mode?
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#108 [01:28] <dexray15> kealper :D
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#111 [01:41] <Madhattter> Does anyone have a link to that Minecraft work around?
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#113 [01:48] <Madhattter> Anyone? o.O
#114 [01:48] <dexray15> i like pie
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#116 [01:51] <Madhattter> That's cool, does anyone have the Minecraft work around? Or a link to it at least?
#117 [01:54] <DiskDaemon> The Minecraft workaround to achieve what?
#118 [01:55] <DiskDaemon> ?? win/!
#119 [01:55] <VoxelHead> win/!: Having exclamation marks or other special characters in your windows username can break minecraft. A workaround is available. Download and run the following file:
#120 [01:55] <VoxelHead> win/!: Special Character Workaround: http://mcfaq.hfbgaming.com/tools/WindowsProfileFix.exe NOTE: We do not guarantee this will work and it may break other parts of Minecraft! Use at your own risk. Must be run as an Administrator.
#121 [01:55] <DiskDaemon> Madhattter: There you go - the workaround.
#122 [01:56] <Shocky3> surprise butt sex!
#123 [01:56] <Madhattter> Thanks.
#124 [01:56] <DiskDaemon> Shocky3: shut the fuck up Donny
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#127 [01:56] <DiskDaemon> pardon - I'll be off for tea
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#139 [02:20] <RazzleStorm> Hello! I was wondering if anyone could help me with this problem: http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1234338-minecraft-fatal-error-4-null/
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#141 [02:22] <GreyVulpine> Chances are, you're running AVG or Avast
#142 [02:22] <RazzleStorm> This is a brand new computer, so there's no anti virus programs
#143 [02:22] <RazzleStorm> nope
#144 [02:22] <GreyVulpine> No?
#145 [02:22] <RazzleStorm> I turned off windows' firewall
#146 [02:22] <GreyVulpine> What is your windows username?
#147 [02:23] <RazzleStorm> Just my name
#148 [02:23] <GreyVulpine> No other special characters in it?
#149 [02:23] <Magiobiwan> Oh, GreyVulpine, am I safe to update to Java 7?
#150 [02:24] <GreyVulpine> Java 7 works, if you do a clean install.
#151 [02:24] <RazzleStorm> nope
#152 [02:24] <Magiobiwan> It's been officially released now by Sun.
#153 [02:24] <GreyVulpine> It still has that nasty bug if you update from 6
#154 [02:24] <RazzleStorm> Like I said, It's a brand new computer, haven't installed any anti-virus programs
#155 [02:24] <Magiobiwan> It doesn't appear 7 is available on XP for some reason.
#156 [02:25] <GreyVulpine> RazzleStorm - You sure? that error 4 message usually stems from that
#157 [02:25] <RazzleStorm> I tried going back to Java 6 update 32 too, (restarting after uninstalling and then installing), and that didn't work
#158 [02:25] <RazzleStorm> yeah, this system only has a few programs at the moment
#159 [02:26] <RazzleStorm> I don't suppose a VPN being installed (but not on) would affect things?
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#161 [02:28] <RazzleStorm> I think I installed Astrill before minecraft, and I think Astrill edits the registry
#162 [02:28] <RazzleStorm> Otherwise I have no clue
#163 [02:29] <RazzleStorm> With Java 6, it doesn't even get to 13%
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#166 [02:33] <RazzleStorm> Also, the minecraftreinstall executable in that topic doesn't work for me, probably because there are no files to delete
#167 [02:36] <RazzleStorm> Although my old netbook can update minecraft just fine, and it has Astrill...
#168 [02:36] <RazzleStorm> hm
#169 [02:37] <RazzleStorm> oh
#170 [02:37] <RazzleStorm> now it can't
#171 [02:37] <RazzleStorm> odd
#172 [02:41] <GreyVulpine> Definitely think that's something you're going to need to look into
#173 [02:41] <GreyVulpine> I haven't heard of Astrill at all
#174 [02:41] <RazzleStorm> well, I've played minecraft on my netbook before, but it has always had Astrill
#175 [02:41] <RazzleStorm> so I don't think that's the problem anymore
#176 [02:41] <GreyVulpine> Astrill is what, exactly?
#177 [02:41] <RazzleStorm> VPN
#178 [02:41] <RazzleStorm> a sort of proxy server
#179 [02:42] <GreyVulpine> And when have you last been able to play minecraft before?
#180 [02:42] <RazzleStorm> a month ago? roughly?
#181 [02:42] <RazzleStorm> I've had Astrill for a year
#182 [02:42] <GreyVulpine> And you were last able to play it via the in-browser client, or the downloadable one?
#183 [02:42] <RazzleStorm> hm, and other java games work on my netbook (I'm testing), while they don't work on my windows 7 machine
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#185 [02:43] <RazzleStorm> both, I remember testing to see if there was a difference in lag
#186 [02:43] <RazzleStorm> (there isn't, my netbook just sucks)
#187 [02:43] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, netbooks usually do for gaming
#188 [02:44] <GreyVulpine> The issue I can arising from VPN/proxy software, is that the downloadable client uses SSL to authenticate logins, which naturally means it's encrypted to protect information passing between sender and receiver.
#189 [02:44] <GreyVulpine> But if it works in both the inbrowser and downloadable client a month ago.. that might not be an issue at all then
#190 [02:45] <GreyVulpine> The inbrowser client does not authenticate over SLL
#191 [02:45] <RazzleStorm> I don't htink it is
#192 [02:45] <RazzleStorm> hm
#193 [02:45] <GreyVulpine> er, SSL.
#194 [02:45] <RazzleStorm> My netbook has Java 6-31
#195 [02:45] <GreyVulpine> So, moving along.
#196 [02:45] * GreyVulpine nods
#196 [02:47] <GreyVulpine> What other programs do you have installed?
#197 [02:48] <GreyVulpine> Anything that may be network-related at all?
#198 [02:48] <RazzleStorm> nope,
#199 [02:49] <RazzleStorm> I might actually, let me see if this download manager is breaking it
#200 [02:50] <RazzleStorm> although I don't know why it would be
#201 [02:50] <GreyVulpine> It very well could be
#202 [03:04] <RazzleStorm> back in a bit, restarting
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#220 [05:28] <RazzleStorm> I don't know if GreyVulpine is still around?
#221 [05:28] <RazzleStorm> I was on about two hours ago with a question
#222 [05:29] <RazzleStorm> It was on this topic
#223 [05:29] <RazzleStorm> http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1234338-minecraft-fatal-error-4-null/
#224 [05:30] <RazzleStorm> The download manager wasn't the problem
#225 [05:30] <RazzleStorm> but looking in my install files, I have 2 different Microsoft Visual C++ 2008 redistributables
#226 [05:30] <RazzleStorm> plus another 2010 64-bit one
#227 [05:31] <RazzleStorm> I don't know if those would cause that or not?
#228 [05:37] <RazzleStorm> I'm sorry I can't stick around, since I have to work, but if anyone has any ideas, I would love to hear them here:
#229 [05:37] <RazzleStorm> http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1234338-minecraft-fatal-error-4-null/
#230 [05:38] <Calinou> <RazzleStorm> but looking in my install files, I have 2 different Microsoft Visual C++ 2008 redistributables
#231 [05:38] <Calinou> what does C++ have to do with java
#232 [05:39] <Calinou> ._.
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#240 [07:02] <Guest> hi, anyone care to tell me how to make my multiplayer minecraft server a hardcore server?
#241 [07:02] <DiskDaemon> spend lotsa money?
#242 [07:03] <Guest> q-_-p
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#245 [07:07] <Guest> ?
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#255 [08:16] <granger> Hello!
#256 [08:16] <granger> How are YOU?
#257 [08:16] <granger> I need help!
#258 [08:17] <granger> I want to host a private minecraft server. I am in the military and it is not feasible for our routers to be connected to the internet whilst the server is rnning
#259 [08:17] <granger> We're all legitimate minecrafters
#260 [08:17] <granger> How do?
#261 [08:17] <granger> How do?!
#262 [08:19] <Calinou> online-mode=false
#263 [08:19] <Calinou> also, expect people to be away in this channel
#264 [08:20] <granger> ok. Well the server is already set like that, but people can't join unless they are online
#265 [08:20] <granger> because they all have the same name
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#268 [08:32] <Calinou> granger, use a commandline bypass then
#269 [08:32] <Calinou> it's quite involved though
#270 [08:32] <Calinou> but it does work with the normal (non-pirated) launcher
#271 [08:34] <Calinou> create a .bat file, put this (make sure you don't hide file extensions first: see "folder options" in control panel)
#272 [08:34] <Calinou> http://pastebin.com/mBTnPQiL
#273 [08:34] <Calinou> replace Username with the username you want
#274 [08:34] <Calinou> this also skips the launcher and directly goes to the game
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#278 [08:54] <granger> Thanks, Calinou, I'll get this set up so they cna use it without using the command line. (They're idiots).
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#297 [10:13] <smerft> Hi
#298 [10:14] <smerft> I always get an Error when I lauch MC. "An error occured, 4 (0)"
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#303 [10:36] <sammaelt> hi Calinou
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#308 [11:12] <Calinou> hi
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#320 [12:11] <hatman> please tell me someone on here works for mojang
#321 [12:12] <hatman> ...
#322 [12:13] <Morrolan> Doubt there's one of Mojang's employees here.
#323 [12:13] <Morrolan> If you need to contact them, use the contact form provided on, uh
#324 [12:13] <Morrolan> http://help.mojang.com
#325 [12:14] <hatman> i emailed them 2 days ago about not recieving premium status or whatever, and so far. got no response. i just find it kind of ridiculous that i cant play the game i payed for like 3 or 4 days ago
#326 [12:15] <Morrolan> Their response times are pretty high, only thing you can do is being patient. :)
#327 [12:15] <Morrolan> Apart from that, did you check with your credit card provider / bank whether the payment actually got through?
#328 [12:16] <hatman> yeah, it was on my moms card and i thought we may have payed for it more than once, so she called and confirmed it
#329 [12:17] <Morrolan> Okay.
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#331 [12:19] <DiskDaemon> Was it purchased from minecraft.net, or from some other location?
#332 [12:19] <hatman> minecraft.net
#333 [12:20] <MarcgX> hello GreyVulpine :)
#334 [12:20] <Wug> hatman: did you have premium, and then lose it?
#335 [12:21] <hatman> no, i just bought it a couple days ago for the first time
#336 [12:22] <Wug> you paid with a credit card?
#337 [12:22] <hatman> yeah
#338 [12:22] <Wug> yeah, morrolan mentioned what usually is the problem in cases like this
#339 [12:24] <DiskDaemon> This page seems to be most relevant then -> http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/329519-when-will-i-receive-my-premium-status-
#340 [12:25] <Wug> chances are its the fault of the credit card company though. mojang has always been fairly reliable when it comes to giving premium status as soon as they get the transaction
#341 [12:26] <hatman> well ill try and fill out that form, hopefully i can play soon. im not trying to wait 2 more days
#342 [12:27] <DiskDaemon> You may want to check your spam filter too, in case an important email has ended up there
#343 [12:28] <hatman> i did :/ nothing
#344 [12:30] <DiskDaemon> Just for clarification, it's not American Express that was used, was it?
#345 [12:30] <hatman> im pretty sure it was mastercard but im not sure
#346 [12:30] <DiskDaemon> no that's good
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#352 [12:55] <Confused> Hello.
#353 [12:55] <Calinou> hi
#354 [12:56] <Confused> I'm confused about something that I've been trying to find the answer to now for a couple weeks but I haven't been able to find the answer anywhere
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#356 [12:56] <Calinou> yes? don't ask to ask. :) don't use enter as punctuation, too
#357 [12:58] <Confused> Sorry habit. My question is about multiple accounts. Since I've already bought the game but I don't wish to keep my username the way it is, couldn't I make another account and use it to play online with others instead of having to buy the game all over again?
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#359 [12:59] <MarcgX> Confused: Thats the only way.
#360 [12:59] <MarcgX> You can not change your username. You need to buy an entire new account. You need to buy the entire game again to just change ur name.
#361 [13:00] <MarcgX> I have been in this situation and in the end I bought a new account.
#362 [13:00] <Confused> So registering a new account won't allow me to play?
#363 [13:00] <MarcgX> You can register a new account but you can not play with that name you registered.
#364 [13:01] <MarcgX> Your registered name should have bought the game. If not you can not. Sorry.
#365 [13:01] <Confused> ... Ngggg... Mojang needs to correct their FAQ's then..
#366 [13:02] <Morrolan> Hmm?
#367 [13:03] <Morrolan> http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/329522-how-do-i-create-a-username- "We do not currently support changing, editing, or correcting usernames. Make sure that you choose wisely; it will be used for both logging in, and your single/multiplayer persona."
#368 [13:03] <Morrolan> Sounds pretty accurate. :)
#369 [13:03] <Confused> This is why I've been searching for an answer. because of this.
#370 [13:03] <Confused> http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/428478-minecraft-account-types
#371 [13:03] <Confused> Registered Account You have registered an account. You can buy Minecraft for yourself, or a gift code for others. You use your Minecraft username and password to log into the game and Minecraft.net. Premium You have purchased a copy of Minecraft. You use your Minecraft username and password to log into the game and Minecraft.net.
#372 [13:03] <Calinou> or just keep your username... usernames do almost nothing anyway
#373 [13:04] <Morrolan> Yea? What exactly about it, Confused?
#374 [13:04] <Morrolan> Ah, I see what you mean.
#375 [13:04] <Confused> One answer says you can't play without buying the game, the other answer says you can play reguardless
#376 [13:04] <Morrolan> With a registered account you can't play, only after you bought the game you can.
#377 [13:04] <Morrolan> Yea, that FAQ entry isn't well written indeed.
#378 [13:05] <MarcgX> I agree with Morrolan
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#380 [13:05] <Confused> Hm.. But theres also something else I've noticed that confuses me..
#381 [13:05] <MarcgX> whats that?
#382 [13:06] <Confused> There was someone who liked making accounts and going to someones server just to troll them.. I highly doubt they would be spending 26.99$ just to do that and wastign cash...
#383 [13:06] <Confused> That was in the forums btw somewhere dont remember where
#384 [13:07] <MarcgX> Maybe he did buy accounts. But all I would say is - he is a hacker.
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#387 [13:07] <MarcgX> Ive seen many hackers on the server I go to.
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#389 [13:07] <HaiLJah> hallo?
#390 [13:07] <MarcgX> Ive banned a lot of hackers.
#391 [13:07] <Morrolan> Two ways. Either he visited servers in offline-mode, or he got the accounts from one of the many lists with hacked accounts.
#392 [13:07] <MarcgX> Helo HaiLJah
#393 [13:07] <Confused> They said he had the same account name but with a different number at the end of it.
#394 [13:07] <HaiLJah> is this only englisch?
#395 [13:07] <MarcgX> HaiLJah: What other language do speak?
#396 [13:07] <MarcgX> Ill try to help.
#397 [13:07] <HaiLJah> german
#398 [13:07] <HaiLJah> i need help
#399 [13:07] <MarcgX> Ich kan deutsch
#400 [13:07] <HaiLJah> ok
#401 [13:08] <MarcgX> Ich been ein deutscher :)
#402 [13:08] <MarcgX> Was ist dein problem?
#403 [13:08] <MarcgX> mm
#404 [13:10] <Confused> This is certainly a pain.. Welllll, thank you for the help.
#405 [13:10] <MarcgX> np Confused
#406 [13:10] <MarcgX> np Confused
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#408 [13:12] <MarcgX> ur welxome HaiLJah
#409 [13:12] <MarcgX> :)
#410 [13:13] <MarcgX> und HaiLJah spricht here
#411 [13:13] <MarcgX> okay HaiLJah ?
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#416 [13:35] <Dan> how can i get grass blocks?
#417 [13:35] <Morrolan> Use a shovel enchanted with silk touch.
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#419 [13:38] <matagin> anyone familiar with the Factions plugin?
#420 [13:39] <Morrolan> Chances of someone here being familiar with that specific plugin are small, but maybe you'll be lucky. ^^
#421 [13:40] <Morrolan> Could ask whatever your question is in #bukkit, chances of someone there knowing his way around that plugin are higher.
#422 [13:40] <Morrolan> Ofcourse the best solution would be to ask in its forum thread.
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#427 [13:46] <granger> Hello
#428 [13:46] <granger> I can't connect to my own server
#429 [13:46] <granger> I keep getting "Took too long to log in"
#430 [13:47] <granger> any idea how to fix this?
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#432 [13:50] <Uvdhblacklight> GreyVulpine
#433 [13:50] <zoski> granger : everythings is up to date ?
#434 [13:50] <zoski> granger : try to restart both ur game and the server
#435 [13:51] <Uvdhblacklight> i just got this error on my minecraft, server
#436 [13:51] <Uvdhblacklight> java.net.SocketException: Connection reset by peer: socket
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#438 [13:51] <Uvdhblacklight> i just finished making my server yesterday
#439 [13:51] <Uvdhblacklight> and it went up just fine
#440 [13:53] <Uvdhblacklight> wait it was this error:
#441 [13:53] <Uvdhblacklight> [SEVERE] Unexpected exception java.lang.RuntimeException: Failed to check session lock, aborting at gq.f(SourceFile:50) at gq.<init>(SourceFile:36)
#442 [13:55] <Uvdhblacklight> i first noticed that my web browser was running extremely slow. but thought nothing of it, but then i went to play on my minecraft server and it crashed and gave me that error
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#446 [14:15] <Uvdhblacklight> ???
#447 [14:15] <Shocky3> ???
#448 [14:15] <Uvdhblacklight> i could really use some help
#449 [14:16] <fault> Don't ask to ask
#450 [14:17] <Uvdhblacklight> what? im saying that because i posted my request a little bit ago, im just waiting for someone
#451 [14:18] <Boreeas> Uvdhblacklight: One second
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#453 [14:18] <Boreeas> Uvdhblacklight: IS that error in the client or in the server?
#454 [14:19] <Uvdhblacklight> lemme check quick
#455 [14:23] <Uvdhblacklight> i had no problems until sometime last night while i left it running and i go this message
#456 [14:23] <Uvdhblacklight> [INFO] Ninja4liferyan [/67.61.10.200:59665] logged in with entity id 170425 at (6.000329929667441, 68.0, 28.17333372014915) 2012-05-22 00:43:13 [INFO] Ninja4liferyan lost connection: disconnect.quitting 2012-05-22 00:47:10 [WARNING] Can't keep up! Did the system time change, or is the server overloaded? 2012-05-22 00:54:41 [WARNING] Can't keep up! Did the sys
#457 [14:25] <Uvdhblacklight> but at sometime shortly before that that same person did this:
#458 [14:25] <Uvdhblacklight> [INFO] Ninja4liferyan tried command: pl 2012-05-21 21:54:05
#459 [14:26] <Uvdhblacklight> Boreeas
#460 [14:26] <Boreeas> So it was in the server
#461 [14:26] <Uvdhblacklight> yes that sounds like the case
#462 [14:27] <Boreeas> gq is the SaveHandler
#463 [14:27] <Uvdhblacklight> and then about 20 minutes ago i got the severe error i mentioned above
#464 [14:28] <Boreeas> So, I guess it failed to lock the save file and then crashed when trying to save it. Did the server run on after that, or did it stop?
#465 [14:28] <Uvdhblacklight> it stopped
#466 [14:28] <Boreeas> Did you lose any data? Lost items from inventory, building deleted, etc?
#467 [14:30] <Uvdhblacklight> Boreeas no i just logged in and nothing seems to be missing
#468 [14:30] <Boreeas> Hmm. Are you running the default minecraft server, a prerelease or bukkit?
#469 [14:31] <fault> Ping
#470 [14:31] <Boreeas> fault: Pong
#471 [14:31] <fault> This client just pinged m
#472 [14:31] <fault> *me from default
#473 [14:31] <fault> Nngh, android
#474 [14:32] <Uvdhblacklight> Boreeas, when i started my server setup two days ago i downloaded the .exe server file and im running it from my own pc. no bukkit
#475 [14:34] <Boreeas> Hmm
#476 [14:34] <Uvdhblacklight> and i did do the run.bat fille for more ram and thats how i start my sever, with the batch file
#477 [14:34] <Boreeas> If you weren't losing anything important, I'd say ignore it. If that's too dangerous for you though, you may want to try bukkit.
#478 [14:34] <Uvdhblacklight> it was at the 2 g
#479 [14:35] <Boreeas> By the way, setting the RAM limit up isn't necessarily advisable
#480 [14:35] <Uvdhblacklight> why not?
#481 [14:36] <Boreeas> A larger heap space will fill up more before Garbage Collection is triggered, which will take longer to complete then, and if you don't have a lot of RAM, 2 GB is a substantial part of that, and might slow your system down.
#482 [14:36] <Boreeas> I actually read reports of people running the server fine with even lower RAM than the default settings
#483 [14:36] <Uvdhblacklight> i have 8 g of ram on my computer
#484 [14:37] <Uvdhblacklight> i have the bat tile cganged to 4G
#485 [14:37] <Uvdhblacklight> file'
#486 [14:37] <oldtopman> I ran a server with 512MB allocated memory and I never had to restart it, as poosed to my 1GB server, which needs rebooting every other month or so.
#487 [14:37] <oldtopman> as opposed*
#488 [14:38] <Boreeas> Yeah, I wouldn't recommend setting it > 2 GB, unless you get a bunch of OutOfMemoryErrors
#489 [14:38] <Boreeas> Also, what oldtopman said
#490 [14:38] <Uvdhblacklight> is there any way i can manually trigger the 'garbage collecton'?
#491 [14:38] <oldtopman> Nope.
#492 [14:38] <Uvdhblacklight> i normally restart my server every 4 hourse anyways
#493 [14:38] <oldtopman> If java had true 'garbage collection', programs would delete themselves upon execution.
#494 [14:39] <Boreeas> oldtopman: Watch what you say, I like Java
#495 [14:39] <Boreeas> ;)
#496 [14:39] <Boreeas> (Also, there /is/ a way to trigger GC, but it's not recommended)
#497 [14:39] <oldtopman> Boreeas: I'll bet your mother's weight was over the 85th percentile.
#498 [14:39] <Uvdhblacklight> why isnt it recomended?
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#500 [14:39] <Eddie> Java will and must be replaced in the near future.
#501 [14:40] <Eddie> But only the language.
#502 [14:40] <Boreeas> Eddie: By what, and sources
#503 [14:40] <Eddie> By something better obviously :3
#504 [14:40] <Boreeas> Uvdhblacklight: It interferes with the JVM
#505 [14:41] <Eddie> Better for the future of programming!
#506 [14:41] <Eddie> Easily using multiple cores/threads.
#507 [14:42] <Boreeas> java.lang.Thread
#508 [14:42] <henkie> Hi guys, I am having trouble loggin in to my own server. I see the message "bad login". (Using craftbukkit v1.2.5)
#509 [14:42] <Uvdhblacklight> hmm well ill just bring the ram back donw to 2g and see if that helps
#510 [14:42] <henkie> i added my username to the whitelist, but not sure which username to pick
#511 [14:42] <Boreeas> henkie: The minecraft username
#512 [14:42] <Eddie> <Boreeas> java.lang.Thread
#513 [14:42] <Eddie> How naive
#514 [14:42] <henkie> i assumed the username registered at minecraft
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#517 [14:43] <Boreeas> Eddie: Mind explaining?
#518 [14:43] <henkie> Boreeas, can I see or modify this username? tcpdump shows me a "playerXXX" instead of the username I used to register my account at minecraft.net
#519 [14:44] <night98> i cant get port forward to work on minecraft
#520 [14:44] <Boreeas> henkie: That's the one - the one you also use to log in to Minecraft
#521 [14:44] <Eddie> Do you really think it's easy to program with threads as they are currently?
#522 [14:44] <Boreeas> Eddie: Actually, yes, it's pretty simple to do.
#523 [14:45] <Calinou> inb4 sarcasm
#524 [14:45] <henkie> ah, maybe I am launching it wrong
#525 [14:45] <Calinou> multithreaded programming must be done properyl
#526 [14:45] <Eddie> For making a small calculator in Java, of course.
#527 [14:45] <Boreeas> henkie: How are you launching it?
#528 [14:45] <Calinou> properly*, else it's just as bad as single threaded
#529 [14:45] <Calinou> talking about performance
#530 [14:45] <henkie> java -cp minecraft.jar:/home/henkie/download/lwjgl/lwjgl-2.8.3/jar/lwjgl.jar:/home/henkie/download/lwjgl/lwjgl-2.8.3/jar/lwjgl_util.jar -Djava.library.path=/home/henkie/download/lwjgl/lwjgl-2.8.3/native/linux net.minecraft.client.Minecraft
#531 [14:46] <Boreeas> Eddie: How is that diffcult to do with Threads in Java?
#532 [14:46] <henkie> it picks the wrong lwjgl library (the 32-bit instead of 64)
#533 [14:46] <Eddie> I did not say it is.
#534 [14:46] <henkie> so I came up with this :)
#535 [14:46] <Eddie> You have yet to do anything majorly parallel, don't you?
#536 [14:47] <Boreeas> Eddie: I'm working on a server right now, so yes, I do
#537 [14:47] <Eddie> Why else would they make languages like Scala or w/e else?
#538 [14:47] <Boreeas> Yes, as in, I did it
#539 [14:47] <Eddie> They are working on the problem.
#540 [14:47] <Eddie> Programming languages as they are right now will not be suitable in the future.
#541 [14:48] <Boreeas> Eddie: And if you are talking about Divide-And-Conquer, the ForkJoinFramework solves most of that for you
#542 [14:48] <Boreeas> henkie: Yeah, never start minecraft directly, always use the launcher
#543 [14:48] <Eddie> Well sure, we can keep adding to Java until it dies of a heart attack.
#544 [14:48] <Eddie> Like C++
#545 [14:49] <henkie> Boreeas, the launcher doenst work for me at the moment
#546 [14:49] <Boreeas> It's not like it's all imported by default, so it doesn't really matter. C++ died because it's unsafe, and a mess to read.
#547 [14:49] <Boreeas> henkie: Why not?
#548 [14:49] <Eddie> Java will die too and I hope so soon, sorry :3
#549 [14:49] <Eddie> The JVM can stay...
#550 [14:50] <Boreeas> K
#551 [14:50] <Eddie> oala
#552 [14:50] <henkie> Boreeas, it throws a java exception ( sun.java2d.InvalidPipeException: attempt to validate Pipe with invalid SurfaceData / Exception in thread "Minecraft main thread" java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: org.lwjgl.DefaultSysImplementation.getPointerSize() )
#553 [14:50] <Boreeas> Huh
#554 [14:52] <Boreeas> henkie: What OS are you using?
#555 [14:53] <henkie> Boreeas, linux 64-bit java crazy thing is running minecraft without launcher does work
#556 [14:53] <Boreeas> henkie: Yeah, but what linux?
#557 [14:54] <henkie> Boreeas, gentoo
#558 [14:55] <Boreeas> Hmm
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#560 [14:55] <Boreeas> What if you start the launcher with the libraries/jars in the classpath?
#561 [14:56] <Boreeas> Eddie: Also, no Java, no beautiful stuff like this: http://pastebin.com/KZ4A4jZf
#562 [14:57] <Eddie> wot
#563 [14:58] <Eddie> I hope you're kidding.
#564 [14:58] <Boreeas> I was bored, sue me
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#566 [14:59] <Eddie> I may be harsh with Java, but the truth is when we'll have processors with 16+ cores, imperative programming as it is now won't help.
#567 [14:59] <Eddie> Do you acknowledge that at least?
#568 [15:00] <Boreeas> I don't see why it shouldn't, not to mention that the AMD Bulldozer is out already
#569 [15:01] <Morrolan> I'd like to see the day where your average desktop PC will even remotely need 16 cores.
#570 [15:01] <Boreeas> Not to mention that JAva is functional, not imperative
#571 [15:01] <Eddie> Really now?
#572 [15:02] <Eddie> Morrolan: well our brain has a lot of cores!
#573 [15:02] <henkie> fixed! LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/usr/lib64/icedtea7/jre/lib/amd64" did the trick
#574 [15:02] <Morrolan> My brain does need to do a bit more than running Office 2010 though.
#575 [15:02] <Boreeas> (What I learned anyways)
#576 [15:02] <henkie> and logging in on the server also works
#577 [15:02] <henkie> nice
#578 [15:03] <henkie> is it possible to load a single player game onto the server?
#579 [15:03] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#580 [15:03] <henkie> I really want to keep my nice house
#581 [15:03] <Eddie> Morrolan: we don't need computers when we have pen and paper and abacuses!
#582 [15:03] <Morrolan> That's what I always said, but they tend to look at me oddly.
#583 [15:04] <Eddie> Boreeas: Java is not functional at all unless you decide to use recursion.
#584 [15:04] * Morrolan goes back to his typewriter
#584 [15:04] * Morrolan jams his finger
#584 [15:04] <Boreeas> Mhm, alright then
#585 [15:05] <Eddie> Haskell is functional.
#586 [15:05] <Eddie> I'm not insane enough to use it though.
#587 [15:05] <Eddie> Though I've tried.
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#589 [15:20] <Boreeas> Eddie: One more question though - what do you think is the proper approach to multicore programming?
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#591 [15:20] <WestoverAirForceBase> hey
#592 [15:21] <Eddie> Well that's what they are looking for lol
#593 [15:21] <Eddie> Hello.
#594 [15:21] <WestoverAirForceBase> ?
#595 [15:21] <Boreeas> WestoverAirForceBase: Can we help you?
#596 [15:22] <WestoverAirForceBase> im part of helping you guys no no
#597 [15:23] <Eddie> Boreeas: The approach depends on the problem. But how it is done right now, it is too complex for the future.
#598 [15:23] <Eddie> Playing with threads left and right is no easy task.
#599 [15:23] <Eddie> Maybe you're a master of threads, but not everyone is.
#600 [15:24] <Boreeas> I'm by far no master of threading, but it's just a technique you have to learn like anything else, too
#601 [15:24] <WestoverAirForceBase> may i join
#602 [15:25] <Eddie> Okay, but this technique will surely evolve.
#603 [15:25] <Eddie> Like everything else.
#604 [15:25] <WestoverAirForceBase>
#605 [15:25] <Eddie>
#606 [15:25] <WestoverAirForceBase>
#607 [15:25] <Eddie> you can fork join
#608 [15:25] <WestoverAirForceBase> hehe
#609 [15:25] <WestoverAirForceBase> ?
#610 [15:26] <Eddie> Nothing lol
#611 [15:26] <WestoverAirForceBase> ?
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#613 [15:26] <Boreeas> WestoverAirForceBase: You don't need to ask to join
#614 [15:27] <Boreeas> WestoverAirForceBase: Idle here, and if someone comes and needs help, help them if you can
#615 [15:27] <WestoverAirForceBase> ok
#616 [15:28] <WestoverAirForceBase> how is all
#617 [15:29] <Eddie> I am fine thanks. You?
#618 [15:30] <WestoverAirForceBase> good its raining
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#620 [15:31] <WestoverAirForceBase> i juest got home from school
#621 [15:32] <WestoverAirForceBase> how can i be a +?
#622 [15:32] <Eddie> Be Scott's lover.
#623 [15:32] <WestoverAirForceBase> ?
#624 [15:32] <Morrolan> Be in here for a while, prove that you're helpful and polite.
#625 [15:33] <Morrolan> Being Scott's lover might shorten the whole process though.
#626 [15:33] * Scott giggles.
#626 [15:33] <Eddie> lol
#627 [15:33] <WestoverAirForceBase> how can i be a @
#628 [15:33] <Scott> You can't.
#629 [15:33] <Morrolan> By being here even longer, and us being in need of more operators.
#630 [15:33] <WestoverAirForceBase> ?
#631 [15:33] <Morrolan> Or by being a better lover to Scott than Eddie is.
#632 [15:34] <Scott> That's not possible.
#633 [15:34] <Morrolan> Since, as you see, he only got to the + stage.
#634 [15:34] <Eddie> o.o
#635 [15:34] <Morrolan> Rawr
#636 [15:34] <Scott> Eddie could identify as me and ban everyone anyways. ^.^
#637 [15:34] <Koz> Hi, i can't run minecraft in ubuntu 11.10, it's giving me this error: http://pastebin.com/E9LFYPvC
#638 [15:35] <Scott> This is apparently a common issue but I don't remember why.
#639 [15:35] <GreyVulpine> update video drivers
#640 [15:36] <WestoverAirForceBase> did you tipe www.minecraft.net?
#641 [15:36] <Koz> how can I update video drivers @ ubuntu?
#642 [15:36] <Scott> Umm
#643 [15:36] <Scott> Updates are typically provided by Update Manager.
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#645 [15:36] <Scott> Did you install any restricted drivers?
#646 [15:36] <AmberK|Jogging> !login
#647 [15:37] <Morrolan> IRCing while jogging?
#648 [15:37] <Koz> what do you mena by restricted drivers?
#649 [15:37] <AmberK|Jogging> oh right
#650 [15:37] <Morrolan> Impressive. Myself, I can barely hit the keys of my iPod.
#651 [15:37] <AmberK|Jogging> should fix that
#652 [15:37] <AmberK> :P
#653 [15:37] <Scott> I seen someone jogging with an iPad the other day.
#654 [15:37] <Scott> I was like wat?
#655 [15:37] <Morrolan> Haha.
#656 [15:37] <Scott> I can barely use my iPhone while jogging.
#657 [15:37] <AmberK> I'm just laughing at the person on killion
#658 [15:37] <WestoverAirForceBase> guys they need our help
#659 [15:37] <AmberK> "I need admin so I can write the artickle about the magizeen"
#660 [15:38] <Koz> i've got an iPad but if I use it in the street, I may get robbed
#661 [15:38] <Scott> Koz: Open the menu and search for restricted drivers
#662 [15:38] <Koz> wait, I'm now in windows, gonna reboot
#663 [15:38] <Scott> I got an iPad too.
#664 [15:39] <Scott> I was afraid of getting robbed outside best buy, so I had security escort me out. ._.
#665 [15:39] <Morrolan> Err.
#666 [15:39] <Morrolan> Where do you live again?
#667 [15:39] <WestoverAirForceBase> lmfao sexy and i know it
#668 [15:39] <Scott> Morrolan: I am not familiar with the area.
#669 [15:40] <WestoverAirForceBase> 0029558423601995826501.25598420169985420169857557763285954462130
#670 [15:40] <Morrolan> *ahem*
#671 [15:41] <WestoverAirForceBase> yes
#672 [15:43] * Kealper yawns
#672 [15:43] * Morrolan stuffs a VoxelHead down Kealper's throat
#672 [15:43] * Kealper eats VoxelHead
#672 [15:44] <Morrolan> D:
#673 [15:44] <Kealper> *burp*
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#676 [15:46] <WestoverAirForceBase> 00201020125598744599658777456332587.223
#677 [15:46] <Morrolan> Would you mind stopping that?
#678 [15:46] <Morrolan> Unless these numbers are some kind of secret, interesting message.
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#681 [15:49] <WestoverAirForceBase> brb
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#683 [15:53] <WestoverAirForceBase> 0225998
#684 [15:54] <Kealper> what are those numbers? >.>
#685 [15:54] * Morrolan kicked WestoverAirForceBase from #minecrafthelp (Reason: estoverAirForceBase :Let's find out)
#686 [15:55] <Morrolan> I'd say it's him being bored and mashing his keyboard.
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#688 [15:55] <WestoverAirForceBase> eddie
#689 [15:56] <Eddie> Reporting.
#690 [15:56] <WestoverAirForceBase> how are you
#691 [15:56] <Eddie> I'm fine o.o
#692 [15:56] <Eddie> You?
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#694 [15:56] <WestoverAirForceBase> raining but good
#695 [15:57] <Eddie> YOU are raining?
#696 [15:57] <Eddie> That is an achievement.
#697 [15:57] <Kealper> that sounds like a personal problem
#698 [15:57] <WestoverAirForceBase> ya
#699 [15:57] <WestoverAirForceBase> in MA
#700 [15:58] <Morrolan> Diapers, anyone? :)
#701 [15:58] <WestoverAirForceBase> Eddie you live in los ageles?
#702 [15:59] <WestoverAirForceBase> Eddie?
#703 [15:59] <Kealper> yay someone can look up IPs
#704 [16:00] <Kealper> good thing everyone will get mine wrong
#705 [16:00] <WestoverAirForceBase> CA
#706 [16:00] <puffrfish> what is going on in here?
#707 [16:00] <Kealper> idk, is that where i live now?
#708 [16:01] <Kealper> huh.... guess i live in Calgary, CA now
#709 [16:01] <Eddie> WestoverAirForceBase: What makes you think I live in Los Angeles?
#710 [16:01] <WestoverAirForceBase> your prfile says that
#711 [16:01] <WestoverAirForceBase> go to http://www.minecraft.net/classic/play/1bef34043e8461721fd10b1df84b2d76
#712 [16:01] <Kealper> odd... still on 1&1 though...
#713 [16:02] <Kealper> that means my ping to this server probably sucks now... bleh
#714 [16:02] <Kealper> oh, nope... still under 60ms
#715 [16:02] <WestoverAirForceBase> go to http://www.minecraft.net/classic/play/1bef34043e8461721fd10b1df84b2d76
#716 [16:03] <Kealper> i assume you want me to go to that?
#717 [16:05] <Morrolan> That's not really the place to advertise. :)
#718 [16:05] <WestoverAirForceBase> im SGNLawlor
#719 [16:05] <Shocky3> YOU'RE SGNLawlor? feel these nipples!
#720 [16:05] <GreyVulpine> !kb Shocky3
#721 [16:05] * GreyBot kicked Shocky3 from #minecrafthelp (Reason: hocky3 :<Kicks:929>)
#722 [16:06] <MarcgX> thx GreyBot
#723 [16:06] <Morrolan> That bot always finds his way in here, doesn't it.
#724 [16:06] <superkabii> Most interesting bot I've seen in a while I must say...
#725 [16:06] * Morrolan feels VoxelHead's nipples
#725 [16:07] <Morrolan> Vox is about the same, just more quiet it seems. :P
#726 [16:07] <Kealper> i've already banned that damn thing before.... i will not let it slip past my grasp again
#727 [16:07] <Morrolan> I assume he just accepts invites sent to him?
#728 [16:07] <Kealper> someone has to be adding it, i think only chanops can use /invite
#729 [16:08] <Kealper> ^ rofl
#730 [16:08] <Morrolan> Ah, right.
#731 [16:08] <puffrfish> that bot joins one of the channels I'm in randomly
#732 [16:08] <Kealper> oh... i think it's GUIpsp's bot....
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#734 [16:09] <Morrolan> Kealper - "/msg shocky<x> join #channel" works for everyone it seems.
#735 [16:09] <Kealper> yuk
#736 [16:10] <Kealper> so anyways... i wonder when xales moved xales.info....
#737 [16:10] <Kealper> unless....
#738 [16:10] * Kealper checks something
#738 [16:11] <Morrolan> If we were on Freenode one could invite that bot to one of the auto-kline channels. ;)
#739 [16:11] <Kealper> nope... still a separate server
#740 [16:11] <Morrolan> Not that I'd think of doing that ofcourse.
#741 [16:11] <Kealper> rofl
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#744 [16:33] <Guest___> I'm having problems with HD textures showing water and lava animations. I already have the most recent mcpatcher, and I'm pretty sure I have it installed correctly.
#745 [16:33] <Guest___> so I don't really know what to do now
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#747 [16:36] <oldtopman> Morrolan|away: What auto-kline channels? Where?
#748 [16:36] <oldtopman> They *exist*?
#749 [16:40] <Kealper> they exist on here too, but i don't know their names
#750 [16:40] <Kealper> pretty much every network has them
#751 [16:40] <Kealper> as bot traps
#752 [16:41] <Kealper> mostly as botnet control mitigation
#753 [16:41] <Kealper> (that almost sounded like i knew what i was talking about)
#754 [16:42] <oldtopman> heh
#755 [16:42] <oldtopman> What channels are they?
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#762 [17:17] <deathmonk> is minecraft connecting for anyone else?
#763 [17:17] <NinjaKirby> Login successful here
#764 [17:18] <deathmonk> :/
#765 [17:18] <deathmonk> i just bought it, when i go to login my connection times out, but im logged in on the site
#766 [17:18] <deathmonk> cant even play through browser
#767 [17:18] <deathmonk> makes me sad ha
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#770 [17:36] <deathmonk> im begging the minecraft gods right now
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#772 [17:38] <deathmonk> <html><body><font color="#808080"><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><center>Failed to update news<br>java.net.ConnectException: Connection timed out: connect</center></font></body></html>
#773 [17:38] <deathmonk> ^ thats all i get
#774 [17:38] <deathmonk> anyone know a cause?
#775 [17:39] <NeoThermic> how does one shorten the pulse that a button causes?
#776 [17:39] <GreyVulpine> With a pulse limiting circuit
#777 [17:39] <NeoThermic> deathmonk: sounds like your minecraft client can't reach the minecraft servers
#778 [17:39] <NeoThermic> GreyVulpine: repeaters on max delay in a line?
#779 [17:39] <night98> i cant get my port forward to work
#780 [17:39] <GreyVulpine> Huh?
#781 [17:39] <NeoThermic> GreyVulpine: pondering how one is done :)
#782 [17:40] <deathmonk> ya. i gave it an exception in every program
#783 [17:40] <GreyVulpine> NeoThermic - http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Redstone_Circuits#Pulse_limiters
#784 [17:40] <GreyVulpine> deathmonk - Using Java 7?
#785 [17:40] <deathmonk> ya i just updated
#786 [17:40] <deathmonk> twice
#787 [17:40] <GreyVulpine> Uninstall it, reinstall 6 instead
#788 [17:40] <GreyVulpine> Java 7 does this
#789 [17:40] <deathmonk> really?
#790 [17:40] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#791 [17:40] <deathmonk> thanks
#792 [17:40] <GreyVulpine> Rather, an upgrade from 6 to 7 does this
#793 [17:40] <GreyVulpine> If you installed 7 fresh, it doesn't
#794 [17:40] <GreyVulpine> If you use only 6, it doesn't
#795 [17:40] <deathmonk> i updated from whatever version i had (its been a while) to 7
#796 [17:41] <deathmonk> so ill uninstall and see if 6 fixes it
#797 [17:41] <GreyVulpine> Then yeah, either roll back to 6, or uninstall java completely and install 7
#798 [17:41] <deathmonk> i can't play on the browser either
#799 [17:41] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, it's java
#800 [17:42] <deathmonk> alright
#801 [17:42] <deathmonk> i'm hoping this fixes it
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#803 [17:43] <deathmonk> yep it was 6 to 7. so complete wipe. so excited :P
#804 [17:44] <night98> anyone know if port 25565 is up
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#806 [17:47] <deathmonk> and the search for java 6 begins
#807 [17:47] <night98> help i cant port forward
#808 [17:48] <GreyVulpine> ;check night98
#809 [17:48] <night98> this sucks
#810 [17:48] <WugBot> Unable to connect to address: fl-67-235-186-6.dhcp.embarqhsd.net:25565 (Timed out)
#811 [17:48] <GreyVulpine> Yup, you haven't port forwarded 25565
#812 [17:48] <night98> ok
#813 [17:49] <deathmonk> thank you grey
#814 [17:50] <deathmonk> i actually got a screen with info on it now
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#816 [17:50] <GreyVulpine> Yup
#817 [17:50] <nicomang> Hello, I am having serious lag issues and it isn't my computer.
#818 [17:50] <nicomang> I think it is my account.
#819 [17:51] <nicomang> If I go on my account on my computer, it is fine, unless I place or destroy a block.
#820 [17:51] <GreyVulpine> All your account has in it, is your username, password, email, and whether or not you are paid
#821 [17:51] <NeoThermic> GreyVulpine: perfect, thanks :)
#822 [17:51] <GreyVulpine> There's no switch that says, "This person needs to be lagged out!"
#823 [17:51] <nicomang> After placing a block, it places 3 to 4, and stops for a second.
#824 [17:51] <NeoThermic> now to solve my other issues and I'll be perfect
#825 [17:51] <nicomang> But thats what I don't get.
#826 [17:51] <GreyVulpine> Then that's either your machine, or your server
#827 [17:51] <nicomang> Only It isn't my machine, and it does the same in single player.
#828 [17:52] <nicomang> If I go on a seperate account, it doesn't lag
#829 [17:52] <nicomang> Thats why I am confused
#830 [17:52] <GreyVulpine> Try a different world
#831 [17:52] <GreyVulpine> perhaps the world is corrupt
#832 [17:52] <nicomang> I have tried
#833 [17:53] <nicomang> But everything is fine on every account except mine.
#834 [17:53] <nicomang> And I don't understand
#835 [17:54] <GreyVulpine> I don't know then. There's nothing on Mojang's side that tells your computer to lag your client out
#836 [17:54] <GreyVulpine> (what sense would that make?)
#837 [17:54] <nicomang> I know, I am just saying what happens.
#838 [17:55] <NeoThermic> nicomang: in your minecraft folder, the stats folder
#839 [17:55] <nicomang> Yeah?
#840 [17:55] <NeoThermic> for giggles, if you don't care about your stats, remove the stats data with your username in it?
#841 [17:55] <nicomang> Ok
#842 [17:55] <NeoThermic> that's the ony thing that I can think of that is per-user and per-block placed
#843 [17:56] <nicomang> The other thing that was weird, is I went on a friends computer that is x64, 4 gb ram i7 intel proccessor etc, and it had the same problem.
#844 [17:57] <nicomang> It was fine, until I places or destroyed a block
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#846 [18:10] <Nabber> Okay, so I need help with starting the game up.
#847 [18:11] <Nabber> I've had the game for a week now, but whenever I start up Minecraft, it just says "User Not Premium" and offers me to play offline.
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#849 [18:22] <night98> how do i fix the port
#850 [18:23] <GreyVulpine> What operating system are you on?
#851 [18:23] <night98> nm
#852 [18:24] <night98> ok how do i fix the time out on my router
#853 [18:25] <GreyVulpine> Depends on the router.
#854 [18:25] <night98> ok
#855 [18:25] <night98> will rebooting it resolve it
#856 [18:26] <night98> or do i wait
#857 [18:27] <GreyVulpine> I don't know. All routers aren't built the same
#858 [18:27] <night98> ok
#859 [18:27] <GreyVulpine> There's dozens upon dozens of router manufacturers, each with their own way of doing their GUI
#860 [18:28] <night98> i have a linksys
#861 [18:28] <GreyVulpine> Then it should automatically update your time, provided you specified the right timezone in the setup tab
#862 [18:29] <night98> ok
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#868 [18:42] <Windwhistle> Hello? Hey guys, need your help. Minecraft won't update and freezes in "Downloading packages" but it displays like "Dwonload: lwgl.jar" or whatever, the highest it's gone is 20% and I can't seem to fix the problem :/
#869 [18:42] <DiskDaemon> Are you using AVG?
#870 [18:43] <Windwhistle> Yes, I actually am. IF you're asking to disable it, I am not admin on my computer.
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#872 [18:43] <DiskDaemon> That's the known cause for your problem, sorry.
#873 [18:43] <Windwhistle> :/
#874 [18:43] <Windwhistle> Thanks for the help anyway, at least I know what the problem is.
#875 [18:43] <Windwhistle> At least AVG is better than Norton :P
#876 [18:44] <DiskDaemon> We advise that you use Microsoft Security Essentials instead of AVG
#877 [18:44] <DiskDaemon> bugger
#878 [18:44] <Kealper> lol
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#885 [18:54] <zelda> new be... just started playing today. in single-player servile mode... cant break anything. Is it me?
#886 [18:55] <Kealper> zelda: hmm... in single player? are you holding the left mouse button or just clicking it a lot?
#887 [18:55] <zelda> clicking a lot
#888 [18:56] <Kealper> ahh, hold the left mouse button down
#889 [18:56] <Kealper> you will see cracks forming in the block, just keep holding until it breaks, it should only take a few seconds
#890 [18:56] <zelda> thanks!! wow i bet i'll be back... thanks again
#891 [18:56] <Kealper> np, come back any time lol.. BUT! i do have a video i recommend you watch
#892 [18:56] <Kealper> !tutorial
#893 [18:57] <Kealper> click that youtube link that AuBot` just posted
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#895 [19:00] <Kealper> hmm.. seems there is an updated version of that tutorial...
#896 [19:01] <Kealper> (although the video that AuBot` put is still quite helpful)
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#898 [19:03] <Ravenesti> Running a server in a vista machine. It works fine locally. I have the port open and I see the incoming connection in the console but it immediately says lost connection. Any ideas on where to start?
#899 [19:03] <Kealper> Ravenesti: what antivirus software or firewall software do you have?
#900 [19:04] <Ravenesti> Avast... and Just windows firewall. I have the program and port exempted.
#901 [19:05] <Kealper> Ravenesti: hmm... just as a test, try disabling Avast for a few minutes and giving it another try...
#902 [19:05] <Kealper> if it doesn't fix it, then you can re-enable Avast
#903 [19:05] <Ravenesti> Ok ... thanks
#904 [19:05] <DiskDaemon> Known issue - Avast free seems to block minecraft server http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=88717.0
#905 [19:06] <Ravenesti> Gah... meh....
#906 [19:06] <Ravenesti> Time to switch then
#907 [19:06] <Kealper> Microsoft Security Essentials is nice, and it's free... i've been using it for a while now on both of my computers without issue
#908 [19:07] <DiskDaemon> It's possible that allowing the port through the windows firewall might resolve things
#909 [19:07] <DiskDaemon> ^ MSE
#910 [19:07] <Ravenesti> yea just read that... let me double check it.
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#913 [19:12] <Ravenesti> Looks like windows firewall is open for both tcp and udp on that port.
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#915 [19:15] <DiskDaemon> Let's rule out the antivirus program as a potential cause then. If connection troubles still occur, other causes can then be looked at. If connection issues are resolved, we can look at how to setup Avast to work with it
#916 [19:17] <Ravenesti> OK... I need to reboot I will be back in a few
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#918 [19:28] <TheNytangel> I need help finding a driver update for NVIDIA GeForce GT 520
#919 [19:34] <sammaelt> http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us
#920 [19:36] <sammaelt> TheNytangel you got to choose the "Gefore 500 series" for the product serie
#921 [19:37] <sammaelt> and it will update it :)
#922 [19:37] <sammaelt> i've checked, the gt 520 IS in the Geforce 500 series
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#929 [19:53] <RazzleStorm> Hey there, again, I'm sure you're probably sick of me, but I still have the same problem, I posted my msinfo32 file here
#930 [19:53] <RazzleStorm> http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1234338-minecraft-fatal-error-4-null/
#931 [19:55] <oldtopman> RazzleStorm: You need to disable your antivirus.
#932 [19:55] <RazzleStorm> oldtopman, I have no antivirus
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#936 [20:27] <RazzleStorm> If anyone has any ideas, I'll be here all day
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#938 [20:28] <Lardman> What is the problem?
#939 [20:29] <GreyVulpine> RazzleStorm - Does it show you being stuck on any specific file when downloading in minecraft?
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#941 [20:36] <RazzleStorm> let me check
#942 [20:38] <RazzleStorm> I apparently have to access minecraft.net through a proxy
#943 [20:38] <RazzleStorm> maybe the Chinese government hates minecraft?
#944 [20:38] * GreyVulpine shrugs
#944 [20:40] <DiskDaemon> joins: razz
#945 [20:40] <DiskDaemon> You are in China?
#946 [20:41] <RazzleStorm> Yup
#947 [20:42] <RazzleStorm> uh
#948 [20:42] <RazzleStorm> it's gone past 13% now
#949 [20:42] <DiskDaemon> okay, that may be useful to know, considering the "great firewall of china" situation
#950 [20:42] <RazzleStorm> it's never done that
#951 [20:42] <RazzleStorm> wtf
#952 [20:42] <RazzleStorm> It appears fine now
#953 [20:43] <RazzleStorm> I... I didn't do anything
#954 [20:43] <RazzleStorm> sigh
#955 [20:43] <DiskDaemon> That's pleasing to know. Does it still go when you put your antivirus back on now?
#956 [20:43] <RazzleStorm> I don't have an antivirus
#957 [20:44] <DiskDaemon> We suggest that you consider using Microsoft Security Essentials for your antivirus then
#958 [20:45] <RazzleStorm> sounds good
#959 [20:47] <RazzleStorm> Well thanks for your help! It might have been turning on the VPN that did it
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#963 [20:57] <aaawew> can anyone answer some questions about online minecraft servers
#964 [20:57] <GreyVulpine> If you ask it, sure
#965 [20:58] <aaawew> 1 sec
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#967 [21:05] <aaawew> very sorry i had to help my mom for a moment
#968 [21:05] <aaawew> when using plugins can i just make a folder called plugins and put them in it then they work?
#969 [21:05] <aaawew> or do i need other stuff?
#970 [21:06] <aaawew> i know a lot of people say you need to run a craftbukkit server
#971 [21:07] <GreyVulpine> You do
#972 [21:08] <GreyVulpine> The regular server has no plugin support. You need to use a third party server, like bukkit, to have plugins
#973 [21:08] <aaawew> so is there a link to exactly what i need i could have?
#974 [21:09] <aaawew> there is so many links and they all already have plugins in them
#975 [21:09] <GreyVulpine> Are you looking to run a server?
#976 [21:09] <GreyVulpine> Or do you want to play single player, with mods?
#977 [21:09] <aaawew> run a server
#978 [21:09] <aaawew> i have one up
#979 [21:09] <Lardman> To run a server with plugins
#980 [21:09] <GreyVulpine> Then you'll want to start looking at: http://bukkit.org/
#981 [21:09] <aaawew> but im now trying to learn
#982 [21:09] <Lardman> You should take a look at this link
#983 [21:09] <Lardman> http://wiki.bukkit.org/Setting_up_a_server
#984 [21:10] <GreyVulpine> For plugins, check out their forums.
#985 [21:10] <GreyVulpine> For a list of popular plugins, I can recommend looking at: http://metrics.griefcraft.com/
#986 [21:10] <GreyVulpine> Lists the most popular plugins that many servers report via metrics to that site
#987 [21:11] <aaawew> kk thanks ill try setting this up now
#988 [21:11] <aaawew> i had some craftbukkit server stuff but i just want some link from someone i can talk to ;P
#989 [21:11] <aaawew> thanks
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#991 [21:11] <GreyVulpine> Bukkit also has their own community channel at #bukkit
#992 [21:11] <aaawew> sweet thanks :D
#993 [21:12] <Magix> I know vines can't be placed on transparent blocks like glass, but can they grow there naturally?
#994 [21:12] <Magix> i.e if I put a vine 1 block below glas
#995 [21:12] <GreyVulpine> Don't think so
#996 [21:12] <Magix> above*
#997 [21:12] <Magix> yet again my experiment worked faster than irc, I just saw one grow on glass :D thx anyway
#998 [21:14] <GreyVulpine> Ah, I stand corrected, thanks.
#999 [21:14] <aaawew> when i extract that link you gave me GreyVulpine it has a lot of folders in it
#1000 [21:14] <GreyVulpine> Extracted what?
#1001 [21:14] <aaawew> the link you gave me?
#1002 [21:14] <Lardman> Aaawew it would help to look at this
#1003 [21:14] <Lardman> http://wiki.bukkit.org/Setting_up_a_server
#1004 [21:14] <aaawew> well the link on the wiki
#1005 [21:14] <Lardman> Oh
#1006 [21:14] <Lardman> HOld on
#1007 [21:14] <aaawew> thats what i did
#1008 [21:15] <GreyVulpine> craftbukkit.jar?
#1009 [21:15] <aaawew> yes
#1010 [21:15] <aaawew> that
#1011 [21:15] <GreyVulpine> You don't extract it
#1012 [21:15] <aaawew> i dont xD
#1013 [21:15] <GreyVulpine> You run it via a command line
#1014 [21:15] <aaawew> i fail
#1015 [21:15] <Lardman> Make a bat file
#1016 [21:15] <GreyVulpine> Put it in its own folder
#1017 [21:15] <GreyVulpine> Then ^
#1018 [21:15] <Lardman> Just read the whole page, then make the server ;)
#1019 [21:17] <aaawew> so i should deleate the server i have now?
#1020 [21:17] <Lardman> You don;t have to
#1021 [21:17] <Lardman> don't
#1022 [21:17] <aaawew> any way i can place the world from that server into this new server?
#1023 [21:18] <Lardman> Yea, just keep it in the same folder as the bukkit server
#1024 [21:19] <aaawew> when i download that from the wiki is it just suppose to be a folder i cant open?
#1025 [21:19] <Lardman> Yea
#1026 [21:19] <aaawew> then what do i do with it?
#1027 [21:19] <Lardman> Then you need to create a bat file with the text show later on that page
#1028 [21:19] <aaawew> k
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#1030 [21:21] <aaawew> i did that :P
#1031 [21:21] <Lardman> Then save it as start.bat
#1032 [21:21] <aaawew> not as run.bat?
#1033 [21:21] <Lardman> well you can do that also
#1034 [21:22] <Lardman> you can do any name as long as it ends in .bat
#1035 [21:22] <aaawew> kk
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#1037 [21:24] <aaawew> it says
#1038 [21:24] <aaawew> Error: Unable to access jarfile craftbukkit.jar press any key to continue . . .
#1039 [21:25] <aaawew> Lardman: :P? any ideas why?
#1040 [21:26] <GreyVulpine> Did you put the .bat file in the same folder as craftbukkit.jar?
#1041 [21:26] <Lardman> You need to put the jar and the bat file in the same folder
#1042 [21:26] <Lardman> Ninja'd :(
#1043 [21:26] <aaawew> what?
#1044 [21:26] <aaawew> where is craftbukkit.jar xD?
#1045 [21:27] <Lardman> Check your download folder
#1046 [21:27] <aaawew> i downloaded it all to my desktop
#1047 [21:27] <aaawew> same folder as this "craftbukkit-1.2.5-R2.0 (1)"
#1048 [21:28] <aaawew> thats what i downloaded
#1049 [21:28] <Lardman> Create a folder
#1050 [21:28] <aaawew> name w/e?
#1051 [21:28] <Lardman> Then put the bat folder and the .jar in the folder
#1052 [21:28] <Lardman> name it whatever
#1053 [21:29] <aaawew> it says i cant put it in the folder >.>
#1054 [21:30] <Lardman> stop all servers that are being used and try again?
#1055 [21:30] <Lardman> that are up*
#1056 [21:30] <aaawew> none are running tho o.O
#1057 [21:30] <Lardman> Okay, I would just redownload the craftbukkit.jar and save it directly into the folder
#1058 [21:30] <Lardman> It will be easier
#1059 [21:30] <aaawew> ahh yea good idea thanks ;)
#1060 [21:31] <Lardman> :)
#1061 [21:31] <aaawew> it says the file is open in the java platform SE binary
#1062 [21:31] <Lardman> thats weird.
#1063 [21:31] <Lardman> Okay open control panel
#1064 [21:31] <Lardman> and stop all java services
#1065 [21:31] <aaawew> well i redopwnloaded one into the folder
#1066 [21:32] <aaawew> ill deleate it next time
#1067 [21:32] <aaawew> now what?
#1068 [21:32] <Lardman> Try to run the server
#1069 [21:32] <aaawew> it says hit any key i do and it goes away
#1070 [21:32] <Lardman> Is there a server error log that is made?
#1071 [21:33] <aaawew> nope
#1072 [21:33] <NeoThermic> woo. solved my timing issue with a really hacky solution involving minecarts & track and some cobwebs and detector rails
#1073 [21:33] <Lardman> Okay, can you pm me what you put in the bat folder
#1074 [21:33] <Lardman> Nice Neo
#1075 [21:33] <NeoThermic> but it's as accurate as I want, and as long as I want and it doesn't involve any horrificly complicated stuff such as rows of repeaters hitting logic gates :P
#1076 [21:36] <Lardman> What is the link to the xbox mc bug page?
#1077 [21:47] <Lardman> \o/ aaawew got his server running!
#1078 [21:47] * Lardman claps
#1078 [21:48] <aaawew> yay :D
#1079 [21:50] <aaawew> so atm on this server there is no commands?
#1080 [21:50] <Lardman> There are the typical server commands
#1081 [21:50] <Lardman> type in help on the server
#1082 [21:50] <aaawew> yea i found it with /help
#1083 [21:50] <aaawew> :D
#1084 [22:01] <aaawew> thanks again :D
#1085 [22:01] <aaawew> gnight
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#1094 [22:49] <libraryaddict> A admin of a pvp server thinks the sneak is always on is a bug
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#1096 [22:49] <libraryaddict> Is there any proper proof it isnt?
#1097 [22:49] <libraryaddict> That I could ram into his face
#1098 [22:49] <Lardman> Everyone is forced to sneak?
#1099 [22:50] <libraryaddict> er no
#1100 [22:50] <libraryaddict> As in someone installs a mod/hack to control if sneak is on or off
#1101 [22:50] <libraryaddict> Then they sprint around
#1102 [22:51] <Lardman> what does sneak mean in this context....
#1103 [22:51] <Lardman> as in invisible?
#1104 [22:51] <libraryaddict> Crouch and their nametag goes invisible?
#1105 [22:51] <Lardman> Okay
#1106 [22:52] <Lardman> Now what do you mean he thinks the sneak is always on is a bug?
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#1108 [22:52] <libraryaddict> We can't really ban for sneak-sprint without being in the server. Sometimes it's a visual glitch, sometimes a genuine hack
#1109 [22:52] <Ironscale> My friend and I have been experiencing crashes when connecting to multiplayer servers, has anyone else had this problem?
#1110 [22:53] <libraryaddict> Not really sure how this "visual glitch" happens
#1111 [22:54] <Lardman> I would just say leave it. If they are not harming the server, there is no problem. If they are speed hacking, I would kick
#1112 [22:54] <Lardman> Iron scale, is there an error report of any kind?
#1113 [22:56] <Ironscale> None, the game just spikes in m
#1114 [22:56] <Ironscale> memory use* and freezes for both of us.
#1115 [22:57] <Lardman> DOes the server crash?
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#1117 [22:58] <Ironscale> No, the server itself is running independently without issue; but when ever either of us tries to connect it hangs, in my case it says "Docking Ship." and his says whatever the non-pirate connecting information is.
#1118 [22:58] <brookie> Can anyone help me im having a few troubles
#1119 [22:59] <Lardman> Shoot Brookie
#1120 [22:59] <Ironscale> But the issue has persisted for three different servers.
#1121 [22:59] <Lardman> Iron, I have no idea
#1122 [22:59] <Lardman> Sounds like it could be a connection error with the server
#1123 [22:59] <Lardman> Oh
#1124 [22:59] <brookie> Ok, well i wanna start a server. i set up perms i did all that but now i cant join it anymore and i can not port forward i did all the steps
#1125 [22:59] <Ironscale> Everything seems to have begun working.
#1126 [22:59] <Ironscale> Do you have a static ip?
#1127 [22:59] <Lardman> Oh, Awesome
#1128 [22:59] <brookie> I don't know how
#1129 [23:00] <Ironscale> Check out PortForward.com they have some free programs that can do it.
#1130 [23:00] <brookie> I tried them
#1131 [23:00] <Ironscale> Otherwise they also have a guide on how to do it manually.
#1132 [23:00] <brookie> it don't work
#1133 [23:01] <brookie> Sir i click make it static and it don't work
#1134 [23:02] <brookie> It says "could not parse your IP address or gateway
#1135 [23:02] <brookie> "
#1136 [23:02] <brookie> Please help.
#1137 [23:02] <Ironscale> Alright, you will have to set it manually then.
#1138 [23:02] <brookie> ok
#1139 [23:02] <Ironscale> What operating system are you on?
#1140 [23:02] <brookie> Linksys
#1141 [23:03] <Ironscale> I mean like Windows Vista/7.
#1142 [23:03] <brookie> oh
#1143 [23:03] <brookie> windows
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#1145 [23:03] <Ironscale> Which version of windows :v
#1146 [23:03] <brookie> 7
#1147 [23:04] <brookie> ?
#1148 [23:04] <Ironscale> http://blog.mclaughlinsoftware.com/2009/11/26/windows-7-static-ip/
#1149 [23:05] <Ironscale> This guide should help with that.
#1150 [23:05] <brookie> trust me hense SHOULD
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#1152 [23:06] <Ironscale> After that portforward displays what your external IP is, and that is what people other than you will need to connect with.
#1153 [23:07] <brookie> Ok
#1154 [23:07] <brookie> Thanks ill be back for more questions soon
#1155 [23:13] <brookie> ironscale
#1156 [23:13] <Ironscale> Yes?
#1157 [23:13] <brookie> My server turned on i belive cause it dont have failed to bind port no more
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#1159 [23:14] <Ironscale> Alright, to get the IP your friends need to connect with, it will be the "external IP" listed on PortForward.com
#1160 [23:14] <Ironscale> to connect to your server with the same computer, you can use "localhost"
#1161 [23:16] <brookie> It turns on but i cannot join
#1162 [23:16] <brookie> wait i joined
#1163 [23:16] <Ironscale> I am glad to hear things are working out for you.
#1164 [23:17] <brookie> can you do me a favor and try to join?
#1165 [23:17] <Ironscale> It would seem mine just crashed and I didn't have the intelligence to put a remote start on it.
#1166 [23:17] <Ironscale> Yeah I can join.
#1167 [23:17] <brookie> Ok ip is 192.168.1.50:25565
#1168 [23:17] <brookie> Try and join
#1169 [23:18] <DiskDaemon> That's a local ip, only accessible from your local lan
#1170 [23:18] <brookie> oh
#1171 [23:18] <brookie> how do i get the ip he joins
#1172 [23:19] <brookie> is it the external ip in porforwarding that u said
#1173 [23:19] <DiskDaemon> www.whatismyip.com
#1174 [23:19] <brookie> oh
#1175 [23:19] <DiskDaemon> It may be 74.117.245.30
#1176 [23:19] <Lardman> Common mistake
#1177 [23:19] <brookie> try
#1178 [23:19] <brookie> oh yeah
#1179 [23:19] <brookie> thats it
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#1181 [23:19] <DiskDaemon> !check 74.117.245.30
#1182 [23:19] <brookie> what
#1183 [23:19] <brookie> why u do that
#1184 [23:20] <DiskDaemon> The bot did it becaue you use Enter too frequently
#1185 [23:20] <Lardman> It is a bot Brookie
#1186 [23:20] <brookie> Lol sorry
#1187 [23:20] <brookie> can you try joining? is it working?
#1188 [23:20] <Lardman> It can get a little annoying :/ but it keeps spammers at bay
#1189 [23:20] <DiskDaemon> !check 74.117.245.30
#1190 [23:20] <DiskDaemon> It's not working
#1191 [23:20] <brookie> well thats the ip
#1192 [23:20] <brookie> wait
#1193 [23:20] <brookie> in my notepad for the spot i do the ip in
#1194 [23:21] <DiskDaemon> So, you need to start the server, and ensure that port 25565 can get through to your machine
#1195 [23:21] <brookie> shud i put that ip or the one i used
#1196 [23:21] <Uvblacklight> on minecraft i keep getting the "lost connection, end of stream" message when me or my friend try to log onto my server, what could be causing it?
#1197 [23:21] <brookie> My server is on
#1198 [23:21] <brookie> Server not on?
#1199 [23:22] <DiskDaemon> Uvblacklight: Try removing server.properties and regenerating a clean version of that
#1200 [23:22] <brookie> What ip adress goes int he notepad i put the 192 one
#1201 [23:22] <Lardman> Put none
#1202 [23:22] <brookie> Why can't y'all join?
#1203 [23:22] <brookie> none?
#1204 [23:22] <Lardman> Leave the ip area blank
#1205 [23:22] <brookie> dont put an ip in there??
#1206 [23:22] <Lardman> no ip
#1207 [23:23] <brookie> umm ok
#1208 [23:23] <brookie> well ok it turned on with no ip?
#1209 [23:23] <Uvblacklight> DiskDaemon how should i do that? just delete the file? will i lose all the map data?
#1210 [23:23] <Ironscale> dont put an ip in the notepad
#1211 [23:23] <brookie> I didnt
#1212 [23:23] <DiskDaemon> The map data is stored in a separate folder
#1213 [23:23] <Lardman> !check 74.117.245.30
#1214 [23:23] <Lardman> [20:20] <@AuBot`> Sor
#1215 [23:23] <Lardman> !check 74.117.245.30
#1216 [23:23] <Lardman> [20:20] <@AuBot`> Sor
#1217 [23:23] <brookie> and now my server is on
#1218 [23:24] <Ironscale> then check portforward.com and we can connect with the number on display there
#1219 [23:24] <brookie> wait
#1220 [23:24] <Lardman> Twitched on v
#1221 [23:24] <brookie> u can get on?
#1222 [23:24] <brookie> I do not understand at all portforward.com can u be more specific on what i do
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#1224 [23:25] <Ironscale> There is an IP on display on the website.
#1225 [23:25] <Ironscale> It says "External IP"
#1226 [23:25] <Ironscale> it is the IP people will need to connect with
#1227 [23:25] <Lardman> yea we need that
#1228 [23:25] <brookie> Can i get the ip on whatsmyip.org ?
#1229 [23:26] <brookie> 74.117.245.30
#1230 [23:26] <brookie> thats what it is on portforward.com
#1231 [23:26] <Ironscale> Connecting now
#1232 [23:26] <brookie> Well?
#1233 [23:26] <Ironscale> Said the IP was no good, I would check if those ports are forwarded.
#1234 [23:27] <brookie> How to check?
#1235 [23:27] <Ironscale> So use 128.1.1.0 or whatever to bring up your router settings.
#1236 [23:27] <brookie> oh ok
#1237 [23:27] <Uvblacklight> DiskDaemon do i delete the server properties. and then run the batch file? to generate a new one?
#1238 [23:27] <Ironscale> Odds are the user name and password are "admin"
#1239 [23:27] <brookie> i know
#1240 [23:27] <brookie> im in that
#1241 [23:27] <brookie> im logged in
#1242 [23:27] <DiskDaemon> It's advised that people don't connect to servers from here, because there is still that exploit to take over someones account
#1243 [23:28] <brookie> Umm ok
#1244 [23:28] <DiskDaemon> Uvblacklight: yes
#1245 [23:28] <DiskDaemon> This is why we have bots that do that sort of work, such as with the !check command
#1246 [23:29] <brookie> Ok what do i do?
#1247 [23:29] <Ironscale> You should have the port forwarded with both of the settings.
#1248 [23:29] <Ironscale> Be sure to click "save"
#1249 [23:29] <Ironscale> I had been thrown for a loop thinking it saved instead of manually clicking save.
#1250 [23:29] <brookie> wait
#1251 [23:29] <brookie> what
#1252 [23:29] <brookie> both
#1253 [23:29] <brookie> what u mean BOTH
#1254 [23:29] <Uvblacklight> DiskDaemon now how do i use the world i jsut had on it? do i just put the world name in and leave the seed blank in server properties?
#1255 [23:29] <Ironscale> hang on
#1256 [23:29] * nippy [nippy@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#1257 [23:30] <Ironscale> I can't take a screenshot
#1258 [23:30] <Ironscale> because I do not have permissions to take one of the house I am currently in
#1259 [23:30] <brookie> lol diskdaemon is in #minecraft and this channel
#1260 [23:30] <DiskDaemon> make a backup first
#1261 [23:30] <brookie> Umm ok
#1262 [23:30] <Ironscale> For Linksys routers, it should be under "gaming applications"
#1263 [23:30] <brookie> can u like guid me threw
#1264 [23:30] <brookie> Yes
#1265 [23:31] <Ironscale> when you forward the range it should be a single number, and it should say "both" instead of TCP or the other one.
#1266 [23:31] <brookie> Ok
#1267 [23:31] <brookie> Ok i have it enabled
#1268 [23:31] <brookie> and pressed save
#1269 [23:31] <DiskDaemon> Linksys picture tutorial for Miencraft port forwarding http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/Linksys/WRT54G/Minecraft_Server.htm
#1270 [23:32] <Ironscale> Then restart your server.
#1271 [23:32] <brookie> ok
#1272 [23:32] <brookie> restarted its now loading
#1273 [23:32] <brookie> ok done
#1274 [23:32] <Uvblacklight> DiskDaemon now how do i use the world i jsut had on it? do i just put the world name in and leave the seed blank in server properties?
#1275 [23:32] <DiskDaemon> yes try that, but as always make a backup first
#1276 [23:33] <Uvblacklight> i wish i had known thet before i deleted properties
#1277 [23:33] <brookie> iron try joining?
#1278 [23:33] <DiskDaemon> !check 74.117.245.30
#1279 [23:33] <brookie> try
#1280 [23:34] <brookie> adding :25565
#1281 [23:34] <DiskDaemon> !check 74.117.245.30:25565
#1282 [23:34] <brookie> damn
#1283 [23:34] <Lardman> Brookie
#1284 [23:34] <brookie> Yes sir
#1285 [23:34] <Lardman> Is there an option anywhere for dmz host?
#1286 [23:34] <brookie> yes
#1287 [23:34] <Lardman> Try doing that just to see if it will work
#1288 [23:35] <Lardman> It will open all ports
#1289 [23:35] <brookie> Umm ok?
#1290 [23:35] <brookie> with ip the 50 at end?
#1291 [23:35] <brookie> ok
#1292 [23:35] <Lardman> From that we can establish if it is your computer blocking it or the router
#1293 [23:35] <Ironscale> oh i just remembered something
#1294 [23:35] <brookie> want me to do source ip address or destination
#1295 [23:35] <Lardman> I believe so
#1296 [23:35] <Ironscale> there is a security check list
#1297 [23:35] <DiskDaemon> This program is a port checker that works in Windows 7 - so you can check to see what issues there are with 25565 http://portforward.com/store/back296/PFPortChecker1.0.39.exe
#1298 [23:35] <Lardman> Your local ip
#1299 [23:35] <Lardman> I love that port checker!
#1300 [23:36] <brookie> Ok so please tell me what to do im getting mixed messagesXD
#1301 [23:36] <Lardman> Do what I said
#1302 [23:36] <Lardman> Disk just posted a checking program to check the port
#1303 [23:36] <DiskDaemon> Lardman: The port checker for reliable info, let's do it
#1304 [23:37] <brookie> check it
#1305 [23:37] <brookie> see if on
#1306 [23:37] <DiskDaemon> !check 74.117.245.30
#1307 [23:37] <brookie> Ok
#1308 [23:38] <Lardman> DO the port check suggested
#1309 [23:39] <Lardman> http://portforward.com/store/back296/PFPortChecker1.0.39.exe
#1310 [23:39] <DiskDaemon> It may be something as simple as your firewall blocking things, which is why that port checker will be useful. It will help to let windows know that you want to communicate through there, which may cause windows to ask if you want to allow port 25565 through your firewall
#1311 [23:40] <brookie> ok help http://screensnapr.com/v/
#1312 [23:40] <DiskDaemon> It could be any number of things, which is why using that port checker tool will help to narrow down to certain issues
#1313 [23:40] <DiskDaemon> page not found
#1314 [23:40] <brookie> http://screensnapr.com/v/Z2xRxv.jpg
#1315 [23:41] <brookie> sorry
#1316 [23:41] <Lardman> I think 25565 should go where the 0 is
#1317 [23:41] <DiskDaemon> Detailed instructions for setting up the router are at http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/Linksys/WRT54G/Minecraft_Server.htm
#1318 [23:41] <brookie> it dont fit
#1319 [23:41] <Ironscale> http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/Linksys/WRT54G/WRT54G3.jpg
#1320 [23:41] <Ironscale> Check your security settings and make sure they look like that.
#1321 [23:41] <Lardman> What is your exact router?
#1322 [23:42] <brookie> wt100
#1323 [23:42] <brookie> linksys
#1324 [23:42] <brookie> or something like that i know it is wt and it has 100
#1325 [23:42] <brookie> but might be ONE more letter
#1326 [23:42] <Ironscale> AFIAK all linksys use the same software regardless of model.
#1327 [23:43] <Lardman> They do
#1328 [23:43] <DiskDaemon> brookie: Could you do us a favour and go and look?
#1329 [23:43] <brookie> Im on the PFPortChecker
#1330 [23:43] <DiskDaemon> WRT100 ?
#1331 [23:43] <brookie> YES
#1332 [23:43] <brookie> that is it
#1333 [23:44] <brookie> i forgot the t
#1334 [23:44] <DiskDaemon> Right then, this is the page http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/Linksys/WRT100/Minecraft_Server.htm
#1335 [23:44] <brookie> ok
#1336 [23:46] <brookie> do i want
#1337 [23:46] <brookie> singleport
#1338 [23:46] <brookie> or port range
#1339 [23:46] <Lardman> Don't post more than 2 in a row to be safe
#1340 [23:46] <brookie> Sorry
#1341 [23:46] <Lardman> so you don't get muted
#1342 [23:46] <Ironscale> Single Port works too
#1343 [23:46] <brookie> So ill do single
#1344 [23:46] <Lardman> singleport
#1345 [23:46] <Ironscale> Just make an entry for 25565 UCP and 25565 TCP
#1346 [23:47] <brookie> do i use the 50 for the to ip or 116
#1347 [23:47] <brookie> i know but it needs the ending of ur ip
#1348 [23:47] <brookie> what shud i use
#1349 [23:47] <brookie> http://screensnapr.com/v/8f1RP0.jpg this part
#1350 [23:47] <brookie> to the right
#1351 [23:47] <brookie> what ip is it
#1352 [23:47] <Ironscale> add it to the blank ones underneath the "none"
#1353 [23:47] <Ironscale> whatever your internal ip is
#1354 [23:47] <brookie> ? what?
#1355 [23:48] <brookie> whats my internal ip
#1356 [23:48] <brookie> how do i know
#1357 [23:48] <DiskDaemon> THe local ip address is should be 192.168.1.50 - if the info you supplied us with earlier is correect
#1358 [23:48] <Ironscale> the ending is 50
#1359 [23:48] <brookie> ok
#1360 [23:48] <brookie> Ok
#1361 [23:48] <brookie> done
#1362 [23:48] <brookie> i enabled both
#1363 [23:48] <Ironscale> then restart your server yet again
#1364 [23:48] <DiskDaemon> Please do not punctuate with the Enter key
#1365 [23:48] <brookie> Im so sorry
#1366 [23:49] <Lardman> Its fine lol
#1367 [23:49] <brookie> Ok server is on
#1368 [23:49] <Ironscale> Does it save the shift+enter?
#1369 [23:49] <Ironscale> Like
#1370 [23:49] <Ironscale> !check 74.117.245.30
#1371 [23:49] <DiskDaemon> brookie: Does the port forward program show that 25565 is open yet?
#1372 [23:50] <brookie> how do i tell.
#1373 [23:50] <brookie> oh
#1374 [23:50] <DiskDaemon> It's futile to test the server if the port isn't even open yet
#1375 [23:50] <brookie> that program
#1376 [23:50] <brookie> umm ill check
#1377 [23:50] <brookie> ok i got yes and no outta that http://screensnapr.com/v/xP3Qux.jpg
#1378 [23:51] <DiskDaemon> You were checking port 1000
#1379 [23:51] <DiskDaemon> 25565 is the Minecraft port
#1380 [23:52] <brookie> ok now i got this message http://screensnapr.com/v/OfB7x2.jpg
#1381 [23:52] <DiskDaemon> close the server
#1382 [23:52] <brookie> oh
#1383 [23:53] <brookie> ok now i got this message http://screensnapr.com/v/7oedyz.jpg
#1384 [23:53] <DiskDaemon> So the router seems to be set up right, and the port forward program confirms that the issue is still there. On to other potential causes then?
#1385 [23:53] <brookie> y'all are so nice. i wud have said fuck you and ditched me by now.
#1386 [23:53] * AuBot` kicked brookie from #minecrafthelp (Reason: rookie :Please keep it civil.)
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#1388 [23:53] <Lardman> :/ and that is why no one cusses
#1389 [23:53] <DiskDaemon> So the router seems to be set up right, and the port forward program confirms that the issue is still there. On to other potential causes then?
#1390 [23:53] <Lardman> in this chat
#1391 [23:53] <brookie> Oh
#1392 [23:54] <brookie> What do i do now:/
#1393 [23:54] <DiskDaemon> I'll have to bow out from here
#1394 [23:54] <Lardman> You have any servers running?
#1395 [23:55] <brookie> umm define server
#1396 [23:55] <brookie> minecraft servers no
#1397 [23:55] <Lardman> hmmm
#1398 [23:55] <brookie> i have inter net on
#1399 [23:55] <brookie> and xchat
#1400 [23:55] <Lardman> Thats fine
#1401 [23:55] <brookie> Ok
#1402 [23:55] <Lardman> what could be blockign 25565
#1403 [23:55] <brookie> This is why y'all are the smart people
#1404 [23:56] <Lardman> Grrrrr... me angry
#1405 [23:56] <Lardman> What is up with your router
#1406 [23:56] <brookie> lol! ikr
#1407 [23:56] <DiskDaemon> Can we confirm that 50 is the rigth ip address, with msconfig perhaps?
#1408 [23:56] <brookie> I don't know
#1409 [23:56] * Lardman smash
#1409 [23:56] <brookie> it prolly is not
#1410 [23:56] <Lardman> firewalls?
#1411 [23:56] <brookie> can u try 116
#1412 [23:56] <brookie> umm maybe:/
#1413 [23:56] <brookie> i have firewall OFF on the router
#1414 [23:57] <brookie> i still think its 116 but how do i check that
#1415 [23:57] <DiskDaemon> See http://lifehacker.com/5833108/how-to-find-your-local-and-external-ip-address
#1416 [23:58] <brookie> What do i do in that
#1417 [23:58] <DiskDaemon> Read the part that's relevant to a local ip address
#1418 [23:59] <brookie> it says
#1419 [23:59] <brookie> my ipv4 is
#1420 [23:59] <brookie> 5.43.72.208
#1421 [23:59] <DiskDaemon> Sp 5.43.72.208 is what you need to put in your router, as the local ip address that 25565 packets get directed to