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#5 [00:28] <Trasiva> Hey guys, start starting out, was hoping to uh...get some direction.
#6 [00:29] <Trasiva> Any recommendations on a server to start off on that's pretty active and willing to help newbies out without the typical internet trash talk?
#7 [00:35] <Finamenon> Mine fits one of those criteria, probably not the "active" one however
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#9 [00:37] <Trasiva> I just need one that has a few people around that are willing to be helpful is all.
#10 [00:37] <Finamenon> that would be the criteria we fit
#11 [00:37] <Trasiva> Great, server info?
#12 [00:38] <Finamenon> ill PM it, dont want to break rules
#13 [00:38] <Trasiva> Yea, that works.
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#16 [00:43] <Chat3289> How do I get a creeper out of a minecart without it blowing up
#17 [00:43] <nategold91> Hello
#18 [00:43] <nategold91> What's the best farming layout?
#19 [00:44] <Chat3289> Wow cht is dead
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#21 [00:52] <DiskDaemon> Guest___: I've just come back and there are Slimes, lots of them.
#22 [00:52] <DiskDaemon> Slimes spawn 10 times less frequently than other mobs do
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#24 [01:04] <Guest___> hmm
#25 [01:04] <Guest___> I wonder why I don't have slimes :/
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#39 [02:37] <naret> can someone help me with a problem? i tried config a mod id! but when i opened the file, its say#MLProperties: name (type:default) min:max -- information # #Mon Jun 04 18:13:20 NZST 2012
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#75 [07:30] <|Anthony|> I run a small server and last night one of my members broke some rules... Here is a pastebin:
#76 [07:30] <|Anthony|> http://pastebin.com/4PXBd9Xb
#77 [07:30] <Necrodoom> ban?
#78 [07:30] <|Anthony|> now, he was the only person on, so i'm not too concerned about the language...
#79 [07:31] <|Anthony|> what is really drawing my attention is the 2 different IP's with multiple connections
#80 [07:31] <|Anthony|> see what i'm talking about there?
#81 [07:31] <Necrodoom> yes, normal
#82 [07:32] <Necrodoom> server lists
#83 [07:32] <Necrodoom> and such
#84 [07:32] <|Anthony|> no, they were tied to him
#85 [07:32] <|Anthony|> tlook at the entity id
#86 [07:32] <|Anthony|> did i really just "t" to talk in irc?
#87 [07:32] <|Anthony|> haha
#88 [07:33] <Necrodoom> not sure then
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#91 [07:35] <|Anthony|> i'm less concerned with grief and more concerned with network hacking
#92 [07:36] <gPad2002> Ohai
#93 [07:36] <|Anthony|> didn't check the firewall log for snort alerts yet, but that's my next step
#94 [07:37] <Necrodoom> |Anthony|: i dont think you should be so paranoid, really
#95 [07:37] <|Anthony|> lol
#96 [07:37] <gPad2002> What's being discussed? :P
#97 [07:37] <|Anthony|> but that's the way i am
#98 [07:37] <|Anthony|> gPad2002, http://pastebin.com/4PXBd9Xb
#99 [07:38] <|Anthony|> one user, 2 ip's and multiple connections
#100 [07:38] <gPad2002> I wouldn't worry.
#101 [07:38] <gPad2002> Just get an IP logging plugin and keep an eye out
#102 [07:39] <gPad2002> Most likely they're just using some VPN
#103 [07:39] <|Anthony|> mmm...
#104 [07:39] <gPad2002> MC is full of skids
#105 [07:39] <gPad2002> They'll spam your server to hell and back
#106 [07:39] <|Anthony|> i feel like i should ask him, but in a non threatening way
#107 [07:40] <gPad2002> But network attacks? DoS is the worst you'll get
#108 [07:40] <Necrodoom> with a VPN?
#109 [07:40] <|Anthony|> well, snort isn't showing any port scans so thats good
#110 [07:40] <gPad2002> VPN/proxy
#111 [07:40] <gPad2002> There are plenty of cheap or free VPNs
#112 [07:41] <Necrodoom> never heard of someone DDOSing by VPN
#113 [07:41] <gPad2002> |Anthony|: Only the ones that don't know what they're doing will do wide port scans
#114 [07:41] <gPad2002> I have. :P
#115 [07:41] <|Anthony|> very true
#116 [07:41] <gPad2002> Also I said DoS, not DDoS
#117 [07:42] <|Anthony|> a denial of service would be annoying, but not system compromising
#118 [07:42] <gPad2002> Yeah
#119 [07:42] <|Anthony|> and i feel like the isp would block that
#120 [07:42] <|Anthony|> eventually
#121 [07:42] <gPad2002> Eventually yeah
#122 [07:42] <|Anthony|> hehe
#123 [07:43] <gPad2002> Or you could set your DNS to localhost
#124 [07:43] * gPad2002 shrugs
#124 [07:43] <gPad2002> I dunno how to do that though :P
#125 [07:43] <|Anthony|> it's a public access mc server
#126 [07:43] <gPad2002> Still, if they're using a VPN it'll have to resolve every time it connects
#127 [07:44] <gPad2002> So you just need to set it to localhost for a short while
#128 [07:44] <gPad2002> Yay, DoS for 127.0.0.1
#129 [07:44] <gPad2002> ...I wonder what that'd do, actually..
#130 [07:44] <|Anthony|> os lock
#131 [07:44] <gPad2002> Fun times
#132 [07:45] <|Anthony|> like a fork bomb, but tcp
#133 [07:45] <|Anthony|> neat
#134 [07:45] <gPad2002> XD
#135 [07:45] <gPad2002> Would love to see that
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#150 [08:48] <hihihihi> i need help D;
#151 [08:48] <gPad2002> What up?
#152 [08:48] <hihihihi> so im at school right now
#153 [08:48] <gPad2002> What's
#154 [08:48] <hihihihi> and last like.. wednesday
#155 [08:48] <hihihihi> i started playing multiplayer servers at school
#156 [08:49] <gPad2002> Alright, go on
#157 [08:49] <hihihihi> then i was playing on friday, i got closed off of the server.. or maybe the client
#158 [08:49] <hihihihi> NOT banned
#159 [08:49] <hihihihi> now when i try to join it says "connection failed, failed login"
#160 [08:49] <hihihihi> even though it shows people online
#161 [08:49] <gPad2002> Did you restart your client?
#162 [08:49] <hihihihi> yes, even redownloaded
#163 [08:50] <gPad2002> You own the game, right?
#164 [08:50] <hihihihi> i also can't connect to https://www.minecraft.net
#165 [08:50] <hihihihi> yes, obviously i bought it
#166 [08:50] <gPad2002> Okay, we'll
#167 [08:50] <gPad2002> Well*
#168 [08:50] <hihihihi> If i try to go to minecraft.net it says "connection interuptted"
#169 [08:50] <gPad2002> It sounds like the techs at that school have blocked it.
#170 [08:51] <hihihihi> but i've been playing mc at school for months
#171 [08:51] <hihihihi> <.<
#172 [08:51] <hihihihi> i can still play singleplayer
#173 [08:51] <gPad2002> Generally the tech will only need to visit every x months, so
#174 [08:51] <gPad2002> Since its a school, it wouldn't surprise me if they firewalled it
#175 [08:51] <hihihihi> how do they firewall a multiplayer server though..
#176 [08:52] <gPad2002> Can you get to https://login.minecraft.net ?
#177 [08:52] <hihihihi> sec
#178 [08:52] <hihihihi> it kind of just keeps loading..
#179 [08:53] <gPad2002> Give it a minute
#180 [08:53] <hihihihi> if my school blocked it
#181 [08:53] <hihihihi> they suck balls
#182 [08:53] <hihihihi> -_-
#183 [08:54] <gPad2002> Most schools do
#184 [08:54] <hihihihi> it came up but it was a white screen
#185 [08:54] <gPad2002> That sounds about right, actually
#186 [08:55] <hihihihi> ?
#187 [08:55] <gPad2002> Mm
#188 [08:55] <gPad2002> Thinking
#189 [08:55] <gPad2002> If you can get there, the client will log in fine (which it is)
#190 [08:55] <hihihihi> i posted on yahoo answers
#191 [08:55] <gPad2002> But if it can't get to Minecraft.net
#192 [08:55] <gPad2002> Then it can't do the server connection handshake
#193 [08:55] <hihihihi> some guy said something about mohhang
#194 [08:56] <gPad2002> Mojang?
#195 [08:56] <hihihihi> and a 1.3 update
#196 [08:56] <hihihihi> ya spelled it wrong
#197 [08:56] <gPad2002> ...no, it's Mojang.
#198 [08:56] <gPad2002> Anyway
#199 [08:56] <gPad2002> Uh
#200 [08:56] <gPad2002> 1.3 is a prerelease
#201 [08:56] <gPad2002> Don't worry about that yet
#202 [08:56] <hihihihi> Mojang has been having problems with their Authentication Servers recently. Whether this is to prepare for 1.3 or if it's just maintenance, we just have to wait for them to sort it out. Just give it a couple days for it to sort out and hopefully it should be working again.
#203 [08:56] <hihihihi> thats what he posted
#204 [08:56] <gPad2002> It's been fine lately
#205 [08:57] <gPad2002> But yeah
#206 [08:57] <gPad2002> If you can't get to Minecraft.net it's probably blocked
#207 [08:57] <hihihihi> do any of these people with symbols next to there names ever talk?
#208 [08:57] <gPad2002> The ops/voices
#209 [08:57] <gPad2002> Yeah, sometimes
#210 [08:57] <gPad2002> Morrolan might be around.. Why?
#211 [08:57] <hihihihi> hey you boreeas :I
#212 [08:58] <hihihihi> i need a op confirmation!
#213 [08:58] <hihihihi> =I
#214 [08:58] <gPad2002> lol
#215 [08:58] <Morrolan> A what?
#216 [08:58] <hihihihi> ok ok morrolan
#217 [08:58] <Boreeas> hihihihi: Sorry, I'm not an op ;)
#218 [08:58] <hihihihi> so this is what happened
#219 [08:58] <gPad2002> Nobody here is Mojang staff, except for I think mollstam
#220 [08:58] <hihihihi> ah hax boreeas.
#221 [08:58] <hihihihi> anyway.
#222 [08:58] <hihihihi> :L
#223 [08:58] <gPad2002> Give it a minute
#224 [08:58] <Boreeas> "Hax"?
#225 [08:58] <hihihihi> ur name was red
#226 [08:58] <hihihihi> jokes :p
#227 [08:58] <gPad2002> Dope doesn't like multiple lines
#228 [08:58] <gPad2002> So
#229 [08:59] <hihihihi> ok so morrolan
#230 [08:59] * gPad2002 slaps DopeGhoti
#230 [08:59] <Morrolan> Do you have that issue with a specific server only, or with any?
#231 [08:59] <hihihihi> I started playing minecraft on multiplayer last wednesday, now i cant connect to ANY multiplayer server
#232 [08:59] <hihihihi> "connection failed, login failed"
#233 [08:59] <Necrodoom> agh
#234 [08:59] <Necrodoom> this guy wont learn
#235 [08:59] <Morrolan> Sounds like it's blocked then.
#236 [08:59] <gPad2002> Can you try server.mcblock.it ?
#237 [08:59] <hihihihi> but people are on
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#239 [09:00] <Necrodoom> no, school blocks MC
#240 [09:00] <gPad2002> ...another one-letter-nick.
#241 [09:00] <hihihihi> i cant get on there
#242 [09:00] <gPad2002> x! It was meant to be!
#243 [09:00] * g hugs x
#243 [09:00] <g> Anyways..
#244 [09:00] <g> hihihihi: Yeah, it's blocked.
#245 [09:00] <hihihihi> booo
#246 [09:00] <hihihihi> i hate my school now.
#247 [09:01] * Morrolan wanders off again
#247 [09:01] <g> In all fairness
#248 [09:01] <g> It's a school
#249 [09:01] <hihihihi> Good thing i have a job interview today <,<
#250 [09:01] <g> :P
#251 [09:01] <g> Heh. I start my job tomorrow
#252 [09:01] <hihihihi> buy my own laptop
#253 [09:01] <hihihihi> 4gb is plenty for mc right?
#254 [09:01] <g> That won't help much if you need to use the school's nets
#255 [09:01] <g> Yeah, should be fine
#256 [09:01] <hihihihi> i dont i have a computer at home o.O
#257 [09:02] <hihihihi> its just terrible memory
#258 [09:02] <g> Ah, I see
#259 [09:02] <hihihihi> 500 something mb and windows vista
#260 [09:02] <g> Lolwut
#261 [09:02] <g> Surprised that even runs
#262 [09:02] <hihihihi> ya..
#263 [09:02] <hihihihi> im guessing 512m
#264 [09:02] <hihihihi> mb
#265 [09:02] <gPad2002> Yep
#266 [09:03] <gPad2002> 128/256/512/1024/2048/4096
#267 [09:03] <gPad2002> Etc
#268 [09:03] <hihihihi> hmm
#269 [09:03] <hihihihi> i was checking out laptops at walmart.com..
#270 [09:03] <gPad2002> Powers of two divisible by 64
#271 [09:03] <gPad2002> :P
#272 [09:03] <hihihihi> toshiba, windows 7, 4gb
#273 [09:03] <hihihihi> seems good to me s:
#274 [09:03] <gPad2002> I wouldn't go tosh a
#275 [09:03] <gPad2002> Toshiba*
#276 [09:03] <gPad2002> One or two of theirs have serious problems with MC
#277 [09:04] <hihihihi> sec
#278 [09:04] <hihihihi> what do u think of this one gpad?
#279 [09:04] <hihihihi> this is the one im talking about
#280 [09:04] <hihihihi> http://www.walmart.com/ip/Toshiba-Black-15.6-Satellite-C655-S5512-Laptop-PC-with-Intel-Pentium-B960-Processor-and-Windows-7-Home-Premium/19512495
#281 [09:04] <gPad2002> Satellite
#282 [09:04] <gPad2002> Kill it with fire
#283 [09:05] <hihihihi> satellite? o.o
#284 [09:05] <hihihihi> whats wrong with it
#285 [09:05] <hihihihi> ):
#286 [09:06] <GreyVulpine> First off, It's a toshiba. Second, it's the shitastic C6xx series.
#287 [09:06] <gPad2002> They have problems with MC
#288 [09:06] <hihihihi> ok ok what about this one
#289 [09:06] <hihihihi> i'm limiting my self to rougly $400
#290 [09:06] <GreyVulpine> We spent a number of weeks here, diagnosing problems with that crap laptop
#291 [09:06] <hihihihi> http://www.walmart.com/ip/Acer-Mesh-Gray-15.6-Aspire-AS5349-2635-Laptop-PC-with-Intel-Celeron-B815-Processor-and-Windows-7-Home-Premium/19714381
#292 [09:06] <hihihihi> only looked at toshiba, cuz had 1 before
#293 [09:06] <GreyVulpine> Celeron, really?
#294 [09:06] <gPad2002> Celeron processor
#295 [09:06] * gPad2002 shudders
#295 [09:07] <hihihihi> lol im not a master of laptops XD
#296 [09:07] <GreyVulpine> Are you trying to get a laptop that won't game?
#297 [09:07] <gPad2002> For a gaming laptop you're looking at maybe $800
#298 [09:07] <hihihihi> they have 4gb :/
#299 [09:07] <gPad2002> That's not all thats important
#300 [09:07] <GreyVulpine> RAM isn't everything
#301 [09:07] <hihihihi> o ya what else is then =I
#302 [09:07] <GreyVulpine> "Intel HD Graphics with 128MB of dedicated system memory, supporting Microsoft DirectX 10.1"
#303 [09:07] * gPad2002 shudders again
#303 [09:08] <GreyVulpine> That integrated intel graphics chipset will give you maybe 10 FPS in minecraft.
#304 [09:08] <Morrolan> But... it's HD, so that must be good!
#305 [09:08] <GreyVulpine> If you turn everything down to low.
#306 [09:08] <hihihihi> what does FPS stand for :s
#307 [09:08] <Morrolan> Frames per second.
#308 [09:08] <Morrolan> Low FPS = it, uh, stutters.
#309 [09:08] <hihihihi> opinions on dell laptops?
#310 [09:08] <gPad2002> I like dell
#311 [09:08] <GreyVulpine> Better.
#312 [09:08] * gPad2002 shot
#312 [09:09] <GreyVulpine> I've got a dell laptop here that's been going on for 3 years, hasn't failed me yet
#313 [09:09] <hihihihi> a bit priceir, but
#314 [09:09] <hihihihi> http://www.walmart.com/ip/Dell-Obsidian-Black-15.6-Inspiron-N5050-Laptop-PC-with-Intel-Core-i3-2350M-Processor-and-Windows-7-Home-Premium/19592280
#315 [09:09] <gPad2002> All my decent machines have been del
#316 [09:09] <hihihihi> how bout that one?
#317 [09:09] <gPad2002> Dell*
#318 [09:09] <gPad2002> Ahh, now you're taking
#319 [09:09] <GreyVulpine> "Intel HD Graphics"
#320 [09:09] <GreyVulpine> Nope
#321 [09:09] <hihihihi> what should i be looking for then
#322 [09:09] <gPad2002> It's good, but you need a graphics card to go with it
#323 [09:09] <gPad2002> It's ideal aside from that
#324 [09:10] <hihihihi> opinions on hp?
#325 [09:10] <GreyVulpine> First off, why are you looking at walmart?
#326 [09:10] <gPad2002> Anything that has "Intel" or "integrated" with "graphics" on the same line is something to stay well away from
#327 [09:10] <hihihihi> dunno =
#328 [09:10] <hihihihi> =s
#329 [09:10] <hihihihi> where should i be looking
#330 [09:10] <gPad2002> You could try the dell website
#331 [09:10] <GreyVulpine> It's like going to a fast food place for fine dining.
#332 [09:11] <gPad2002> If you want to get something that does what you want, you go to the manufacturer.
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#334 [09:11] <dick> Hello?
#335 [09:11] <Morrolan> 'lo
#336 [09:11] <gPad2002> Uh
#337 [09:11] <gPad2002> Nice name y'got there
#338 [09:12] <hihihihi> im assuming
#339 [09:12] <hihihihi> alienware laptops are for the intense?
#340 [09:12] <dick> It's my real name -- had it for almost 70 years...
#341 [09:12] <gPad2002> Ignore Alienware
#342 [09:12] <gPad2002> Overpriced and underpowered
#343 [09:12] <Morrolan> Alienware is nice if you've got the money to spare. ;)
#344 [09:12] <gPad2002> Morrolan: No.
#345 [09:12] <gPad2002> Nononononononooo.
#346 [09:12] <dick> Looking for a little help, please.
#347 [09:12] <gPad2002> dick: My telekenisis is failing me.
#348 [09:13] <GreyVulpine> Telepathy, you mean.
#349 [09:13] <gPad2002> Meh, same thing in my head
#350 [09:13] <dick> Try standing on one foot and eating lots of liverwurst.
#351 [09:14] <Morrolan> How did you know what I've been doing five minutes ago? D:
#352 [09:14] <hihihihi> inspiron 15r?
#353 [09:14] <hihihihi> http://www.dell.com/us/soho/p/laptops.aspx?c=us&cs=ussoho1&l=en&s=soho&~ck=mn
#354 [09:14] <hihihihi> top right
#355 [09:14] <dick> I haven't used IRC for about 20 years so I'm a bit rusty..
#356 [09:14] <gPad2002> hihihihi: Try the XPS ones
#357 [09:15] <Morrolan> Yes, dick, how about getting to the point?
#358 [09:16] <dick> Ok. I'm in Minecraft on the Multiplayer page and I don't see any "Add server" link. I created a Minecraft server on AWS last night and I'd like to connect to it.
#359 [09:17] <Morrolan> How does that multiplayer page look like?
#360 [09:17] <GreyVulpine> Wait, the multiplayer link at minecraft.net?
#361 [09:17] <dick> Mostly black with a 400+ list of servers available. I'd like to use mine
#362 [09:17] <GreyVulpine> That's only for classic servers
#363 [09:18] <GreyVulpine> It does not list any of the premium servers
#364 [09:19] <hihihihi> bro
#365 [09:19] <dick> Oh, OK. I tried running the client at home but it bombs, something wrong with my Java setup I think, running under CentOS
#366 [09:19] <hihihihi> xps are wayyy too pricy
#367 [09:19] <hihihihi> =/
#368 [09:19] <GreyVulpine> hihihihi - How about: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834215257
#369 [09:19] <gPad2002> hihihihi: you get what you pay for
#370 [09:19] <hihihihi> i'll check it later!
#371 [09:19] <GreyVulpine> Budget laptops, bleh.
#372 [09:20] <gPad2002> ^
#373 [09:20] <dick> Well, thanks.
#374 [09:20] <Morrolan> dick - There's also an online client at www.minecraft.net/play , but I doubt that one will work if the standalone one doesn't.
#375 [09:21] <Morrolan> Yea, sure.
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#380 [10:14] <Flow> hi !
#381 [10:14] <gPad2002> Hai.
#382 [10:15] <Flow> so you are here to speak about minecraft? or something else
#383 [10:15] <gPad2002> This is the community Minecraft help channel.
#384 [10:15] <Flow> ok !
#385 [10:15] <Flow> do you know when will come out the 1.3 version?
#386 [10:16] <GreyVulpine> Nope.
#387 [10:16] <gPad2002> Nope, you can check the blog for anything like that
#388 [10:16] <Flow> yes that's true !
#389 [10:16] <Flow> but i think it is funnier to come here
#390 [10:16] <gPad2002> Could always screw with the prerelease
#391 [10:18] <Flow> yep
#392 [10:18] <Flow> I never tested them
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#394 [10:29] <lordmj329> hi
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#398 [10:46] <Freeman> Hello everybody! Anyone coding with spout here ? I need help with custom blocks :)
#399 [10:46] <gPad2002> #spout
#400 [10:46] <Freeman> ok thanks :)
#401 [10:46] <Freeman> ok thanks :)
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#409 [11:22] <Guest> Hello Guys, a friend of my having problems to buy the game because he cant use visa or any card that is over 18+
#410 [11:22] <Guest> is there a way to make a method for pay safe card method?
#411 [11:23] <Morrolan> He can use PayPal.
#412 [11:23] <Calinou> " or any card that is over 18+"... uh?
#413 [11:23] <Morrolan> Generally banks don't give out credit cards if you're below 18, Calinou.
#414 [11:23] <xales> Calinou: I believe what was meant is "any card that requires you to be over 18 years of age"
#415 [11:23] <Calinou> btw: you cannot use paypal to buy gift codes, only for your own account
#416 [11:23] <Calinou> Morrolan, ah, 18+ in that way
#417 [11:23] <xales> Morrolan: Not like people under 18 usually have any credit anyway. ._.
#418 [11:23] <Calinou> +1
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#420 [11:24] <Morrolan> xales - Eh, depends, really.
#421 [11:24] <Guest> My friend doesnt lol
#422 [11:24] <Guest> i cant help it :P
#423 [11:24] <xales> Morrolan: But this is AMERIKAH
#424 [11:24] <Guest> he asks me to ask here because he doesnt know english
#425 [11:24] <Morrolan> Tell him to use Paypal then.
#426 [11:24] <xales> MORE STUDENT DEBT THAN CREDIT CARD DEBT AWW YEAH
#427 [11:25] <Morrolan> He can transfer money from his bank account onto his PayPal acc, then use that one to pay, Guest.
#428 [11:25] <Morrolan> xales - Heh, okay. ;)
#429 [11:25] <Guest> if i say that to him he would just shoot him self but i will tell him anyways
#430 [11:25] <Morrolan> Well, I don't so much care what he does, to be honest. ;)
#431 [11:25] <Morrolan> If he wants to shoot himself, fine, his choice.
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#433 [11:26] <Guest> ye xD
#434 [11:26] <Guest> thats why im still saying it to him :P
#435 [11:26] <xales> Morrolan: Only $904 billion!
#436 [11:26] <Scorpini> fuckin pocket change
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#439 [11:26] <Calinou> lol...
#440 [11:27] <Scorpini> ah.
#441 [11:27] <Morrolan> xales - My my, what kind of cheap university did you visit?
#442 [11:27] * Calinou adds this to funniest quotes
#442 [11:27] <xales> Morrolan: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-31/student-loan-debt-rose-to-904-billion-in-first-quarter.html
#443 [11:27] <xales> :p
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#445 [11:27] <Morrolan> Haha, sheesh.
#446 [11:27] <Morrolan> That such a big issue in the US?
#447 [11:28] <Morrolan> I mean, yes, university fees aren't cheap either, but I don't know of anyone who really had issues getting the money.
#448 [11:28] <oldtopman> Yessir
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#451 [11:28] <oldtopman> Not only is it expensive, people who only paid the minimum payments 4-5 years ago now have double the loan.
#452 [11:28] <hihihihih> hey vulpine
#453 [11:28] <Guest> Btw is Minecraft officially American?
#454 [11:28] <oldtopman> No?
#455 [11:28] <hihihihih> u there vulpine :P?
#456 [11:28] <Necrodoom> wtf
#457 [11:29] <Guest> Why so much servers are from america? is it because alot of peopel doesnt work xD?
#458 [11:29] <hihihihih> necrodoom
#459 [11:29] <Morrolan> There are loads of american servers because there are loads of people in the US?
#460 [11:29] <Calinou> what Morrolan said
#461 [11:29] <hihihihih> is there anyway to get greyvulpines attention? :L
#462 [11:29] <Guest> maybe
#463 [11:29] <Calinou> europe doesn't have much people living in compared to usa
#464 [11:29] <Morrolan> Once the Asians discover Minecraft, most of the servers will be Asian I suppose.
#465 [11:29] <Calinou> USA = lag country from europe. :(
#466 [11:29] <hihihihih> I wish to restart my laptop conversation..
#467 [11:29] <xales> Morrolan: Actually: my school is listed here. >_< http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505145_162-37247019/25-most-expensive-colleges-in-the-nation/
#468 [11:29] <Morrolan> xales - Haha.
#469 [11:30] <hihihihih> morrolan
#470 [11:30] <hihihihih> u'll have to do :I
#471 [11:30] <Morrolan> Doubtful.
#472 [11:30] <Boreeas> University fees in Germany: Less than a 1000 € / month
#473 [11:30] <Morrolan> Kinda on the leave here. :D
#474 [11:30] <hihihihih> >:I
#475 [11:30] <Boreeas> And the government wants to pay that, too
#476 [11:30] <oldtopman> ??> hihihihih ask
#477 [11:30] <VoxelHead> hihihihih: (ask) Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help with, and be as specific as possible.
#478 [11:30] <VoxelHead> hihihihih: (ask) If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#479 [11:31] <hihihihih> ok then
#480 [11:31] <hihihihih> just trying to find a laptop for minecraft
#481 [11:31] <hihihihih> around $450ish
#482 [11:31] <hihihihih> suggestions...?
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#484 [11:31] <oldtopman> Anything with a real graphics card in it.
#485 [11:31] <xales> You aren't going to get a laptop that can run Minecraft well for that price.
#486 [11:31] <hihihihih> dunno how to tell that.
#487 [11:31] <oldtopman> IMO, go to a store and play minecraft on it, then order it online.
#488 [11:32] <Calinou> oldtopman> Anything with a real graphics card in it.
#489 [11:32] <Calinou> correction: anything with a real nvidia graphics card in it.
#490 [11:32] <Calinou> AMD sucks. especially with minecraft
#491 [11:32] <Calinou> purple lines everywhere, and glitchy clouds!
#492 [11:32] <Morrolan> AMD works just fine over here. <.<
#493 [11:32] <oldtopman> Well, the AMD ones work well with MC from my experience.
#494 [11:32] <Calinou> AMD has crappy opengl support.
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#496 [11:33] <Calinou> even worse with linux, you're gonna be friend with software renderers if you're on linux
#497 [11:33] <hihihihih> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834230265
#498 [11:33] <hihihihih> opinions?
#499 [11:33] <oldtopman> Umm, I use linux and AMD and it works *very* well.
#500 [11:33] <oldtopman> Speak for yourself.
#501 [11:33] <Morrolan> integrated graphics, hihihihih
#502 [11:33] <xales> Crap.
#503 [11:33] <Calinou> xales, optifine, 320x200, tiny+fast. :P
#504 [11:33] <Calinou> oldtopman, because of luck
#505 [11:33] <Boreeas> Hahaha
#506 [11:33] <oldtopman> >.>
#507 [11:34] <hihihihih> so as said earlier
#508 [11:34] <hihihihih> nothing with intel or integrated graphics?
#509 [11:34] <xales> Correct.
#510 [11:34] <oldtopman> Right.
#511 [11:34] <Calinou> intel = CPU brand
#512 [11:34] <Calinou> intel GMA/HD = integrated GPU
#513 [11:34] <xales> If it doesn't havae discrete graphics, it's going to run Minecraft like garbage.
#514 [11:34] <Calinou> if you want to run minecraft fluidly, you'll have to get a computer for at least 600-ish euros.
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#516 [11:35] <Calinou> desktops usually have better specs for same price. do you *really* need to travel with your computer?
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#518 [11:35] <xales> €600 being around $750 by the way.
#519 [11:35] <hihihihih> little over my price range...
#520 [11:35] <hihihihih> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834246328
#521 [11:35] <hihihihih> opinions?
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#523 [11:36] <hihihihih> hmm?
#524 [11:37] <hihihihih> morrolan? calinou? xales? oldtopman?
#525 [11:37] <oldtopman> hihihihih: Try this one: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/32084539/minecraftop.pdf
#526 [11:37] <Calinou> tip, hihihihih: tab-complete :P
#527 [11:37] <hihihihih> lol good joke oldtop
#528 [11:37] <Calinou> for completing names (this also adds capitals), irrelevant to your problem anyway
#529 [11:37] <hihihihih> calinou? hmm?
#530 [11:37] <oldtopman> Save 20% with this code at checkout as well, "FX4GSTB?P4M$2P"
#531 [11:37] <xales> hihihihih: That is acceptable, yes.
#532 [11:37] <Calinou> the CPU is quite weak
#533 [11:38] <Calinou> probably has integrated graphics, so: no?
#534 [11:38] <xales> Calinou: It doesn't.
#535 [11:38] <xales> The CPU is fine, too. :P
#536 [11:38] <hihihihih> it doesnt
#537 [11:38] <oldtopman> Nope, it's got a Radeon 6650
#538 [11:38] <Calinou> lolamd
#539 [11:38] * oldtopman points at link
#539 [11:38] <Calinou> oh, didn't se
#540 [11:38] <hihihihih> oldtop, im getting a summer job.
#541 [11:38] <Calinou> xales, 1.5ghz...
#542 [11:38] <hihihihih> that wont make me $6,000
#543 [11:38] <hihihihih> XD
#544 [11:39] <oldtopman> Well, you wanted a computer that could play minecraft that wasn't amd, so there it is.
#545 [11:39] <xales> Calinou: Clock speed means next-to-nothing.
#546 [11:39] <oldtopman> Should be as good as a desktop computer.
#547 [11:39] <hihihihih> amd?
#548 [11:39] <xales> oldtopman: That doesn't even make sense. ._.
#549 [11:39] * oldtopman is referring to the alienware laptop he linked to
#549 [11:40] <xales> ._.
#550 [11:40] <xales> oldtopman: Your statement "Should be as good as a desktop computer." doesn't make sense.
#551 [11:40] <Calinou> my 17" laptop has a 2ghz dual-core intel cpu, 4gb ram, nvidia 9600m
#552 [11:40] <GreyVulpine> Why.. are you guys even talking about alienware?
#553 [11:40] <Calinou> minecraft far+fancy: 60-150FPS
#554 [11:40] <xales> GreyVulpine: Excellent question.
#555 [11:40] <Calinou> (1440x900)
#556 [11:40] <GreyVulpine> The poor guy just wants a budget laptop.
#557 [11:40] <GreyVulpine> Alienware is so far out of his price range..'
#558 [11:40] <Calinou> ...also, it is 3 years old.
#559 [11:40] <Boreeas> The hell is going on in here
#560 [11:40] * xales kicked oldtopman from #minecrafthelp (Reason: ldtopman :Mean :()
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#562 [11:41] <hihihihih> greyvulpine
#563 [11:41] <Calinou> oldtopman is mr. kicked
#564 [11:41] <oldtopman> What >.>
#565 [11:41] <hihihihih> tell me if this is anygood, vulpine
#566 [11:41] <hihihihih> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834246328
#567 [11:41] <hihihihih> not intel graphics, and 6gb ram
#568 [11:41] <hihihihih> which is.. about 5x more ram than my home computer..
#569 [11:42] <GreyVulpine> For the price, it seems alright..
#570 [11:42] <hihihihih> but vulpine
#571 [11:42] <hihihihih> can it handle.. the craft? =I
#572 [11:43] <GreyVulpine> At first glance, the hardware seems like it will be able to.
#573 [11:44] <hihihihih> glance some more then
#574 [11:44] <hihihihih> =x
#575 [11:45] <hihihihih> greyvulpine
#576 [11:45] <GreyVulpine> Read the other people's comments.
#577 [11:45] <hihihihih> guy said on review he uses it to play mc
#578 [11:45] <hihihihih> :P
#579 [11:46] <GreyVulpine> Then there's your proof.
#580 [11:46] <oldtopman> hihihihih: I use a Pentium 4 with a GeForce MX440 to play minecraft on tiny/fast/no particles/1440x900
#581 [11:46] <hihihihih> i have no clue what that is
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#583 [11:46] <hihihihih> LOL
#584 [11:46] <oldtopman> I believe you're looking for a computer that can play minecraft *well*
#585 [11:47] <hihihihih> and what does amd stand for <.<
#586 [11:47] <GreyVulpine> !wiki amd
#587 [11:47] <GreyBot> Wikipedia Found: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Micro_Devices
#588 [11:47] <GreyBot> Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. (NYSE: AMD) or AMD is an American multinational semiconductor company based in Sunnyvale, California, that develops computer processors and related technologies for commercial and consumer markets. Its main products include microprocessors, motherboard chipsets, embedded processors and graphics processors for servers, workstations and personal
#589 [11:47] <GreyBot> computers, and embedded systems applications.
#590 [11:47] <GreyVulpine> ^
#591 [11:47] <oldtopman> AdvancedMicroDevices
#592 [11:47] <oldtopman> derp
#593 [11:47] <oldtopman> hihihihih: It's a 7-8 year old computer.
#594 [11:48] <oldtopman> Just be careful, almost anything can play minecraft, few things can play it wll.
#595 [11:48] <Calinou> opengl 1.2+ needed, and java 5.
#596 [11:48] <xales> oldtopman: I don't really see how your specious hatred for AMD is relevant to this conversation whatsoever.
#597 [11:48] <Calinou> AFAIK java 5 can run minecraft, no?
#598 [11:48] <xales> Also, plenty of things play it just fine. ._.
#599 [11:48] <GreyVulpine> Doubt it
#600 [11:48] <Calinou> AMD = shitty opengl support, linux support
#601 [11:48] <oldtopman> what the actual heck
#602 [11:49] <Calinou> poor man's solution.
#603 [11:49] <GreyVulpine> Well, minecraft was developed under java 5 for macs
#604 [11:49] <GreyVulpine> But I definitely believe that the OpenGL standard Mojang uses has gone up
#605 [11:49] <Calinou> because apple. ;)
#606 [11:49] <oldtopman> xales: <oldtopman> Well, the AMD ones work well with MC from my experience. - <oldtopman> Umm, I use linux and AMD and it works *very* well.
#607 [11:49] <hihihihih> vulpine
#608 [11:49] <GreyVulpine> Yes?
#609 [11:49] <Calinou> beta 1.7 and prior: opengl 1.1. beta 1.8: opengl 1.3. 1.0+: opengl 1.2
#610 [11:49] <Morrolan> xales - Calinou is the one hating, oldtopman was defending it earlier on. :P
#611 [11:49] <oldtopman> He's the one who's complaining about it >.>
#612 [11:49] <hihihihih> if u can manage to find a laptop around $500ish dollars that can run mc good
#613 [11:49] <hihihihih> lemme know
#614 [11:50] <hihihihih> already had to up my "limit" by $100
#615 [11:50] <xales> oldtopman: Whatever. ._.
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#617 [11:50] <GreyVulpine> Newegg there, is what I primarily hit for nearly all my computer needs.
#618 [11:50] * Morrolan hands xales an apple
#618 [11:50] <oldtopman> >:I
#619 [11:50] <GreyVulpine> I trust their prices.
#620 [11:50] <xales> hihihihih: The laptop you've already found should run it fine. You aren't going to find much better for that price.
#621 [11:50] <hihihihih> also, whats bloatware?
#622 [11:50] <Calinou> software that bloats.
#623 [11:50] <Calinou> 8)
#624 [11:50] * GreyVulpine wonders if...
#624 [11:50] <GreyVulpine> !wiki bloatware
#625 [11:50] <GreyBot> Wikipedia Found: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_bloat
#626 [11:50] <GreyBot> Software bloat is a process whereby successive versions of a computer program include an increasing proportion of unnecessary features that are not used by end users, or generally use more system resources than necessary, while offering little or no benefit to its users.
#627 [11:51] <xales> Norton. Nero. MediaNow.
#628 [11:51] <xales> ._.
#629 [11:51] <GreyVulpine> Eh, close enough
#630 [11:51] <hihihihih> o.O..?
#631 [11:51] <xales> Roxio.
#632 [11:51] * oldtopman likes roxio
#632 [11:51] <GreyVulpine> Basically software that's already preinstalled on the computer.
#633 [11:51] <oldtopman> Is that bad on Windows?
#634 [11:51] <xales> oldtopman: It's bad on everything.
#635 [11:51] <hihihihih> whats usb 3.0?
#636 [11:51] <oldtopman> Why do you say that?
#637 [11:51] <GreyVulpine> Comes from the computer manufacturer, already installed. Slows down the machine, has software that you might or might not want
#638 [11:51] <Calinou> GreyVulpine, bloatware = windows itself. :D
#639 [11:51] <GreyVulpine> USB port, newest standard
#640 [11:51] <GreyVulpine> Calinou - Hah
#641 [11:52] * oldtopman has used roxio since 1998 with much success
#641 [11:52] <Calinou> well linux isn't the best for gaming due to drivers/compat
#642 [11:52] <GreyVulpine> Most computers have USB 2.0, which goes at 480Mbit/sec.
#643 [11:52] <Calinou> if those issues were fixed I'd definitely use linux on all my computers
#644 [11:52] <xales> oldtopman: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/cdrecord.html
#645 [11:52] <xales> ._.
#646 [11:52] <GreyVulpine> USB 3.0, was released sometime last year(?), and has a transfer speed of up to 6Gbit/sec
#647 [11:53] <oldtopman> xales: Okay, seems cool...
#648 [11:53] <|Anthony|> can enchanting gold armor make it better than diamond armor?
#649 [11:53] <Calinou> roxio? use of it?
#650 [11:53] <Calinou> |Anthony|, http://minecraftwiki.net/Enchanting
#651 [11:53] <Calinou> we have a wiki for a reason :)
#652 [11:53] <hihihihih> how mch memory do alienwares have?
#653 [11:54] <Morrolan> You use that smiley far too often, xales. :(
#654 [11:54] <xales> hihihihih: That depends on which one you get.
#655 [11:54] <Calinou> depends, usually at least 4GB.
#656 [11:54] <hihihihih> 18x
#657 [11:54] <Calinou> minecraft runs fine with 1GB
#658 [11:54] <Calinou> (yes)
#659 [11:54] <hihihihih> so why does the rest matter
#660 [11:54] <hihihihih> if u only need 1gb ram?
#661 [11:54] <Calinou> no, it lets you run more software at once without swapping to disk
#662 [11:54] <xales> hihihihih: TTANTS: "minimum" and "recommended"
#663 [11:54] <Calinou> |Anthony|, "enchantment mechanics" page
#664 [11:55] <|Anthony|> k
#665 [11:55] <hihihihih> that newegg laptop has 6gb ram
#666 [11:55] <hihihihih> aka, enough.
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#668 [11:55] <Calinou> diamond armor enchantability: 10, gold armor enchantability: 25
#669 [11:55] <xales> That is correct, yes.
#670 [11:55] <hihihihih> so why does the intel graphics thing matter
#671 [11:55] <xales> Minecraft has more requirements than just RAM.
#672 [11:55] <Calinou> this means you'll get additional 15 "free" levels when enchanting gold armor instead of diamond
#673 [11:55] <hihihihih> such as?
#674 [11:55] <Calinou> hihihihih, because they're far less powerful than dedicated GPUs
#675 [11:55] <hihihihih> gpus? :/
#676 [11:55] <xales> hihihihih: A GPU that doesn't suck, a competent CPU
#677 [11:56] <Calinou> |Anthony|, wait 1.3 to use enchantments > level 1
#678 [11:56] <Calinou> right now they just suck
#679 [11:56] <|Anthony|> mmm
#680 [11:56] <Calinou> GPU = graphical processing unit, CPU = central processing unit
#681 [11:56] <Danmi> Please help I am Korean
#682 [11:56] <Calinou> hi? don't ask to ask
#683 [11:56] <hihihihih> how much cpu should it have
#684 [11:56] <Danmi> Transaction failed
#685 [11:56] <Danmi> We were unable to deduct 19.95 EUR from your credit debit card because the transaction was declined by your card issuing bank. To continue with this payment we advise that you try again using a different credit debit card.
#686 [11:56] <Danmi> What the..?
#687 [11:57] <xales> hihihihih: One that isn't garbage. It's not something that is easy to tell just by a number.
#688 [11:57] <Calinou> possibly fraud prevention, try calling your bank's support
#689 [11:57] <hihihihih> is the one i asked u guys about good?
#690 [11:57] <xales> Danmi: Contact your bank, they have denied the transaction for some reason.
#691 [11:57] <Calinou> hihihihih, dual-core is recommended to leave CPU to other processes
#692 [11:57] <xales> hihihihih: We have already told you, yes. The laptop you showed us will run Minecraft fine.
#693 [11:57] <Calinou> pretty much all CPUs are dual core today, except netbooks' ones
#694 [11:57] <Danmi> I've contacted the bank, not the problem
#695 [11:58] <xales> Danmi: The bank is declining the transaction, that is what the error means.
#696 [11:58] <hihihihih> whats ddr stand for :I?
#697 [11:58] <xales> hihihihih: Don't worry about it.
#698 [11:58] <hihihihih> but i wanna know :(
#699 [11:58] <xales> "Double data rate"
#700 [11:58] <hihihihih> ok
#701 [11:58] <xales> Again, means nothing.
#702 [11:58] <hihihihih> GHz = gighertz? :s
#703 [11:58] <xales> Yes.
#704 [11:58] <Calinou> yep, gigaheartz
#705 [11:58] <Calinou> hertz*
#706 [11:59] <xales> Here, let me make this easy.
#707 [11:59] <xales> hihihihih: This laptop will run Minecraft. It is within your price range. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834246328
#708 [11:59] <xales> ._.
#709 [11:59] <Scorpini> that laptop should run minecraft excellent.
#710 [11:59] <Danmi> Originally the settlement was well
#711 [11:59] <Danmi> From day yireonda
#712 [11:59] <hihihihih> k
#713 [11:59] <hihihihih> also
#714 [11:59] <Scorpini> shitty cpu but still
#715 [11:59] <hihihihih> MY SCHOOL BLOCKED MC MULTIPLAYER SERVERS
#716 [11:59] <hihihihih> rage..
#717 [12:00] <Scorpini> ..use a proxy.
#718 [12:00] <hihihihih> no
#719 [12:00] <hihihihih> then if they find out somehow
#720 [12:00] <hihihihih> i cant use computers at all
#721 [12:00] <xales> Scorpini: Most schools use filtering proxies, can't (easily) tunnel Minecraft through them.
#722 [12:00] <hihihihih> and they're all most likely blocked.
#723 [12:00] <xales> :p
#724 [12:00] <oldtopman> xales: He didn't want it because it was AMD >.>
#725 [12:00] <Scorpini> heh. I'm homeschooled so I'm not familiar with how schools block things
#726 [12:00] <xales> SOCKS OVER HTTP FOR THE WIN
#727 [12:00] <oldtopman> ^
#728 [12:01] <xales> oldtopman: Someone developed SOCKS over ICMP
#729 [12:01] <xales> and SOCKS over DNS
#730 [12:01] <oldtopman> XD
#731 [12:01] <xales> for those fucking airport hotspots
#732 [12:01] <xales> .___________.
#733 [12:01] <hihihihih> i have no clue what u guys are talking about.
#734 [12:01] <hihihihih> <.,
#735 [12:01] <oldtopman> tl;dr => Get this laptop http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834246328
#736 [12:01] * xales kicked VoxelHead from #minecrafthelp (Reason: oxelHead :I don't think I need to tell you where to shove it. I've told you enough.)
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#738 [12:02] <hihihihih> ya, ik :P
#739 [12:02] <hihihihih> is voxelhead a real person
#740 [12:02] <hihihihih> :x
#741 [12:02] <xales> No.
#742 [12:02] <Scorpini> hihihihih: http://susan-ng.hubpages.com/hub/A-Beginners-Guide-To-Computers
#743 [12:02] <Scorpini> it's old but it should help you.
#744 [12:03] <hihihihih> haha
#745 [12:03] <hihihihih> school blocked it
#746 [12:03] <hihihihih> :)
#747 [12:03] <xales> Scorpini: CompSci 101
#748 [12:03] <xales> :p
#749 [12:03] <Scorpini> :p
#750 [12:05] <hihihihih> sigh.
#751 [12:05] <hihihihih> Now i cant play MC multiplayer servers until mid july (MAYBE) \:
#752 [12:05] * xales doesn't think complaining is going to help resolve the issue.
#752 [12:06] <Calinou> hihihihih, lrn2notplayatschool
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#755 [12:06] <PenguiN_x> Hey
#756 [12:06] <Necrodoom> finally
#757 [12:06] <hihihihih> yuh huh
#758 [12:06] <PenguiN_x> So what causes it?
#759 [12:06] <hihihihih> its my last week of school
#760 [12:07] <PenguiN_x> http://pastie.org/4026143
#761 [12:07] <hihihihih> xales
#762 [12:07] <hihihihih> u there o.o?
#763 [12:07] <oldtopman> PenguiN_x: Are you using a regular client?
#764 [12:07] <xales> hihihihih: Yes?
#765 [12:08] <Boreeas> PenguiN_x: Hmm, interesting
#766 [12:08] <hihihihih> job interview today! first one!
#767 [12:08] <hihihihih> TIPS!?
#768 [12:08] <hihihihih> :p
#769 [12:08] <PenguiN_x> Hmm I have some mods
#770 [12:08] <xales> hihihihih: Brush your teeth.
#771 [12:08] <hihihihih> i did last night
#772 [12:08] <xales> PenguiN_x: Are any of the mods installed on the server?
#773 [12:08] <hihihihih> I:
#774 [12:08] <PenguiN_x> Nope
#775 [12:08] <PenguiN_x> and I get the same error with/without Bukkit
#776 [12:09] <xales> I'd say try running without the mods, then. May be related to them. Could also be world corruption or something.
#777 [12:09] <oldtopman> PenguiN_x: Is the server-ip field in the server.properties blank?
#778 [12:09] <Calinou> world corruption possibly. you should've made backups ;)
#779 [12:09] <PenguiN_x> when someone gets Internal server error When trying to join the server, it starts to have terrible lag spikes :(
#780 [12:09] <Calinou> also that ^
#781 [12:09] <oldtopman> PenguiN_x: If it still happens when it's blank, delete your player folder.
#782 [12:09] <xales> oldtopman: Uh, what?
#783 [12:09] <PenguiN_x> Idk
#784 [12:09] <hihihihih> u are a misanthrope? xales? :L
#785 [12:09] <hihihihih> w/e that means ._.
#786 [12:09] <PenguiN_x> a specific world or what?
#787 [12:09] <oldtopman> xales: server-ip field in server.properties.
#788 [12:09] <xales> oldtopman: That's so not relevant to this it's not even funny...
#789 [12:09] <PenguiN_x> wait it's kinda hard, using Multicraft
#790 [12:10] <Calinou> PenguiN_x, in your world folder, then "players" folder
#791 [12:10] <Calinou> there is a file named: "your_username.dat" delete it
#792 [12:10] <PenguiN_x> Yes I have deleted it twice
#793 [12:10] <Calinou> this removes your inventory!
#794 [12:10] <xales> hihihihih: There's this lovely thing called "Google"
#795 [12:10] <PenguiN_x> I know
#796 [12:10] <xales> PenguiN_x: It's sounding like world corruption to me.
#797 [12:10] <Necrodoom> same
#798 [12:10] <PenguiN_x> doesn't fix anything
#799 [12:10] <PenguiN_x> yeah
#800 [12:10] <hihihihih> bleh
#801 [12:10] <PenguiN_x> I think so too
#802 [12:11] <hihihihih> xales
#803 [12:11] <xales> Yes…?
#804 [12:11] <hihihihih> click http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834246328
#805 [12:11] <hihihihih> oops, -_-
#806 [12:11] <hihihihih> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=xales+thinks+hihihi+is+cool!
#807 [12:11] <hihihihih> that one...
#808 [12:11] <xales> Hmm, no thanks.
#809 [12:11] <Boreeas> Har har har
#810 [12:11] <PenguiN_x> lol
#811 [12:11] <hihihihih> :'(
#812 [12:11] <xales> Mine's more fun: lmgtfy.com/?q=lmgtfy&l=1
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#814 [12:12] <hihihihih> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/downforeveryoneorjustme.com XD
#815 [12:13] <xales> ._.
#816 [12:13] * Boreeas nudges the channel back on topic
#816 [12:13] <BlackBlaster> hi there, is anyone able to read hs_error codes and is in the mood to help a guy the edge of insanity^^?
#817 [12:13] <Boreeas> Yes. Paste them please
#818 [12:13] <xales> BlackBlaster: Sure. Please copy the entire content of the error message to http://pastebin.com/ and provide us with a link.
#819 [12:14] <BlackBlaster> is eileandonan.dyndns.org/minecraft ok too?
#820 [12:14] <xales> It doesn't really matter where, as long as we can see the entire body of the message.
#821 [12:14] <BlackBlaster> yes
#822 [12:14] <BlackBlaster> its there
#823 [12:15] <Boreeas> Internal Error (synchronizer.cpp:1401)
#824 [12:15] <Boreeas> That one is new
#825 [12:15] <BlackBlaster> see, my problem is that the server was not starting for 2 days now (always ceasing to do anything at spwan creation) and today i could finally connect but then it crashed
#826 [12:15] <xales> BlackBlaster: What sort of server are you trying to run this on?
#827 [12:16] <xales> Is it a virtual machine or something similar?
#828 [12:16] <BlackBlaster> yep
#829 [12:16] <BlackBlaster> rented from webtropia
#830 [12:16] <BlackBlaster> centos
#831 [12:16] <BlackBlaster> with screen
#832 [12:16] <BlackBlaster> and openjdk-1.6.0-src
#833 [12:16] <Boreeas> src?
#834 [12:16] <BlackBlaster> sec
#835 [12:16] <Boreeas> You compiled it yourself?
#836 [12:16] <xales> Try rebooting the server
#837 [12:17] <BlackBlaster> no
#838 [12:17] <BlackBlaster> yum did
#839 [12:17] <BlackBlaster> kk
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#841 [12:18] <hihihihih> dame el poder del IRC!
#842 [12:18] <hihihihih> :)
#843 [12:18] <__> XD
#844 [12:19] <PenguiN_x> lol
#845 [12:19] <PenguiN_x> How do I change name?
#846 [12:19] <oldtopman> "/nick <newnick>"
#847 [12:19] <Boreeas> /nick
#848 [12:19] <GreyVu|pine> :'(
#849 [12:19] * xales kicked GreyVu|pine from #minecrafthelp (Reason: reyVu|pine :How about, no.)
#850 [12:20] <oldtopman> xales has gone mad!
#851 [12:20] <Boreeas> Thank you, xales
#852 [12:20] * xales kicked oldtopman from #minecrafthelp (Reason: ldtopman :D:<)
#853 [12:20] <BlackBlaster> xales: now it has the same problem it has before
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#855 [12:20] <BlackBlaster> it freezes
#856 [12:20] * oldtopman has returned
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#857 [12:20] <GreyVu|pine> mute me mhm... <.<
#858 [12:20] <xales> BlackBlaster: What do you mean by "freezes"?
#859 [12:20] <Boreeas> !kick GreyVu|pine Impersonation
#860 [12:20] * AuBot kicked GreyVu|pine from #minecrafthelp (Reason: reyVu|pine :You are the weakest link, goodbye! (Issued by Boreeas with reason: Impersonation))
#861 [12:20] <Morrolan> People tend not to like impersonaters.
#862 [12:20] <BlackBlaster> all i get is "182 recipes 27 achievements"
#863 [12:20] <BlackBlaster> and the nothing
#864 [12:20] <Morrolan> Oh, I'm getting slow.
#865 [12:20] <BlackBlaster> then*
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#867 [12:21] <GreyVu|pine> STOP IIIT
#868 [12:21] <Boreeas> Change your nick
#869 [12:21] <hihihi> fine >:(
#870 [12:21] <Boreeas> Thank you
#871 [12:21] <BlackBlaster> xales: it just stops doing anything... no error no nothing
#872 [12:21] <_________> :D
#873 [12:21] <Morrolan> You're missing an underscore.
#874 [12:21] <xales> BlackBlaster: From what I can tell, it looks like a problem with your host (most likely: I've never heard of them and they are overselling/crap)
#875 [12:22] <xales> I'd say either try contacting them, or finding one better suited to running a game server
#876 [12:22] <Sinep> :L
#877 [12:22] <PenguiN_x> ahh
#878 [12:22] <BlackBlaster> um what exactly is causing it then?
#879 [12:22] <BlackBlaster> bc it was running, like 2 months ago w/o problems
#880 [12:22] <Sinep> penguin read pm
#881 [12:22] <xales> BlackBlaster: Lack of available resources
#882 [12:22] <xales> is what it appears to be
#883 [12:22] <BlackBlaster> not enough ram?
#884 [12:23] <xales> no, not that
#885 [12:23] <Sinep> Xales, what should u have to host a multiplayer Mc server?
#886 [12:23] <PenguiN_x> Hey btw is it fixable if I just change the DEFAULT world? And then could make a big portal with signs...
#887 [12:23] <xales> the physical machine is overloaded
#888 [12:23] <xales> PenguiN_x: It depends on what exactly is corrupted.
#889 [12:23] <PenguiN_x> so the corrupted one wouldn't be the first
#890 [12:23] <BlackBlaster> what else is it then? i have the ability to upgrade it
#891 [12:23] <xales> Sinep: A server, a server-grade connection.
#892 [12:23] <BlackBlaster> k
#893 [12:23] <hihihihi> specifically?
#894 [12:23] <xales> BlackBlaster: I don't think the problem is that your plan is crap
#895 [12:23] <xales> I think your host is crap
#896 [12:24] <xales> I've never heard of them, so I don't know
#897 [12:24] <xales> but then again, I've never heard of them
#898 [12:24] <PenguiN_x> Here you can read how the corrupting started
#899 [12:24] <PenguiN_x> http://pastie.org/4026272
#900 [12:24] <PenguiN_x> OR
#901 [12:24] <BlackBlaster> from an informatician side of view.. what exatly is wrong with it? would you be so nice to explain it?
#902 [12:24] <Necrodoom> thats corruption
#903 [12:24] <Necrodoom> yes
#904 [12:24] <PenguiN_x> Would it work if I just copy the whole Spawn area and paste into NEW flatmap?
#905 [12:25] <necrodoorn> :O
#906 [12:25] <xales> PenguiN_x: Again, I can't tell you what to do to fix it, or if it is possible to fix. Not from the information you've given me. You have to try things yourself.
#907 [12:25] <PenguiN_x> with World Edit
#908 [12:25] <PenguiN_x> Ok
#909 [12:25] <Necrodoorn> never odd or even
#910 [12:25] <PenguiN_x> Anyway thanks for pointing the corruption out :) Cya
#911 [12:25] <Necrodoorn> backwards,
#912 [12:25] <xales> BlackBlaster: The machine it is on is overprovisioned. For example, many hosts will take a computer with 48GB of RAM and sell 64GB RAM of servers, because most people don't use all of it.
#913 [12:25] <Necrodoorn> same thing ;)
#914 [12:25] <xales> The problem is when it runs out. That's what appears to have happened.
#915 [12:26] <Necrodoorn> 48 gb RAM?!
#916 [12:26] <Necrodoom> hihi: get off my name.
#917 [12:26] <Necrodoorn> it can go that high?
#918 [12:26] <BlackBlaster> oh.. so i virtually have enough but physically its full?
#919 [12:26] * xales kicked neersight[d] from #minecrafthelp (Reason: eersight[d] :Stop being an idiot.)
#920 [12:26] <xales> err
#921 [12:26] <Boreeas> !kick Necrodoorn
#922 [12:26] * AuBot kicked Necrodoorn from #minecrafthelp (Reason: ecrodoorn :Don't let the door hit ya where the dogs should have bit ya! (Issued by Boreeas with reason: None given.))
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#924 [12:26] <xales> BlackBlaster: Again, that would be what it looks like, yes.
#925 [12:26] <hihihih> lol u cant have similar names? <.<
#926 [12:26] <BlackBlaster> ok
#927 [12:27] <BlackBlaster> thanks
#928 [12:27] <Necrodoom> yes, you cant
#929 [12:27] <xales> hihihih: You can't be stupid. If you have to be removed again, you will not come back.
#930 [12:27] <hihihih> i wasn't aware
#931 [12:27] <BlackBlaster> that would also explain why it stops working at different positions of initialization of the server
#932 [12:27] <BlackBlaster> and why it just does nothing
#933 [12:27] <hihihih> How comes u cant have close names <.<
#934 [12:27] <BlackBlaster> what hosts can you reccomend for a game server?
#935 [12:27] <xales> BlackBlaster: Oh, I would assume this is a "cloud server"?
#936 [12:28] <Necrodoom> hihi: because i dont like you.
#937 [12:28] <BlackBlaster> xales :idk actually
#938 [12:28] <hihihih> then dont talk to me necrodoom
#939 [12:28] <BlackBlaster> at least i dont use it for that^^
#940 [12:28] <hihihih> I dont neeed ur negativity ;)
#941 [12:28] <Boreeas> hihihih: We told you before, didn't we? Impersonation is not okay, and taking a nick that looks almost exactly like a nick already in use, counts as impersonation
#942 [12:28] <xales> BlackBlaster: As far as I can tell, that's the only thing other than dedicated that that host sells.
#943 [12:28] <hihihih> nobody told me..
#944 [12:28] <xales> BlackBlaster: It depends on where you would like the server located geographically.
#945 [12:28] <xales> hihihih: There's this thing called "common sense"
#946 [12:29] <BlackBlaster> europe / austria
#947 [12:29] <Boreeas> hihihih:[18:20:47] [KICK] GreyVu|pine was booted from #minecrafthelp by AuBot (You are the weakest link, goodbye! (Issued by Boreeas with reason: Impersonation))
#948 [12:29] <hihihih> Didn't think it was a big deal as long as they didn't have a "@" or "+" next to their name.
#949 [12:29] <Boreeas> That should be hint enough
#950 [12:29] <hihihih> That was acceptabled, i get that.
#951 [12:29] <hihihih> But nobody even told me to change my name.
#952 [12:29] <Necrodoom> you are lying.
#953 [12:30] <hihihih> Necro, no need to come into said conversation.
#954 [12:30] <Morrolan> It doesn't matter now, does it?
#955 [12:30] <xales> BlackBlaster: Is Minecraft the only thing you would use it for?
#956 [12:30] <hihihih> I'm not lying.
#957 [12:30] <Morrolan> You know that you shouldn't do it now, and I'm sure it won't happen again.
#958 [12:30] <hihihih> Ofcourse it won't.
#959 [12:30] <BlackBlaster> xales: well i dont know maybe something web related - it should be a bit flexible
#960 [12:31] <hihihih> Sorry about all the.. controversy..
#961 [12:31] <hihihih> I'm not trying to start anything
#962 [12:31] <BlackBlaster> but for now.. yes only mc or maybe a voip sorfwarte too
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#965 [12:31] <Iaccidentally> ahem. what.
#966 [12:32] <hihihih> Managed to cut myself shaving... just intime for my job interview!
#967 [12:32] <Jaiimc> This channel needs a logbot.
#968 [12:32] <Necrodoom> lain, i think
#969 [12:33] <Jaiimc> .log
#970 [12:33] <Iaccidentally> Lain|log is in here.
#971 [12:33] * Jaiimc just noticed.
#971 [12:33] <xales> BlackBlaster: I'm not familiar with many companies in that area, but Hetzner is one of the large ones. http://hetzner.de/
#972 [12:33] <hihihih> Xales, how did u go about learning all this information on computers and MC?
#973 [12:34] <xales> hihihih: Reading.
#974 [12:34] <Scorpini> same with me.
#975 [12:34] <hihihih> I'd assume that XD
#976 [12:34] <BlackBlaster> xales: i'll look into that. Thanks for your help and a nice day :)
#977 [12:34] <Scorpini> I'll be honest and say about a year ago when I was a console gamer and used the computer for school I didn't know shit about computers
#978 [12:35] <xales> BlackBlaster: No problem, you too. Good luck!
#979 [12:36] <hihihih> scorpini, i'd say thats where im at
#980 [12:36] <hihihih> except i know "kind of" alittle about computers..
#981 [12:36] <Scorpini> isn't too complicated in my opinion.
#982 [12:36] <Scorpini> of course I have an insane amount of spare time to learn, so
#983 [12:36] <Scorpini> :p
#984 [12:36] <Scorpini> had*
#985 [12:37] <xales> lol
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#987 [12:37] <hihihih> =p
#988 [12:38] <Boreeas> It's a lot of learning by doing, too. For me anyways.
#989 [12:39] <hihihih> Is anyone here familiar with a more than good concept with money?
#990 [12:39] <hihihih> I have two questions on it =p
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#992 [12:39] <Jaiimc> You don't undersand money?
#993 [12:39] <hihihih> i do
#994 [12:39] <hihihih> I have 2 questions though
#995 [12:39] <Jaiimc> understand*
#996 [12:39] <hihihih> 1. How does bank interest work, and 2. How do taxes on paychecks work?
#997 [12:39] <Boreeas> Are you sure this is the right channel to get help for that, hihihih?
#998 [12:40] <hihihih> I don't know what channel it would be, but I know you guys seem smart enough. =P
#999 [12:40] <Jaiimc> Google works better.
#1000 [12:40] <Necrodoom> ^
#1001 [12:41] <Scorpini> obama not born anywhere
#1002 [12:42] <hihihih> meh
#1003 [12:42] <hihihih> class is over, lunch time.
#1004 [12:42] <hihihih> If i get the job.. I'll just see how much it is at the end of the first week.
#1005 [12:42] <hihihih> anyway, thanks for all the laptop help
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#1014 [12:59] <Eddie> Meep
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#1030 [13:41] <L3W1S> Hi all. I'm setting up permission groups; but is there actually a difference between operator and moderator?
#1031 [13:43] <Morrolan> The Vanilla Minecraft server knows two ranks only, "normal" and "operator".
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#1033 [13:43] <Morrolan> If you're using a permissions plugin however, you can set up any number of ranks, with any permissions you want.
#1034 [13:45] <L3W1S> While there may be difference in the actual game, what would you recommend? Would you say one is generally more overpowered than the other? or are Mod and Op equal?
#1035 [13:47] <Morrolan> In most forums/games/etc a moderator's rank is below an operator.
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#1037 [13:48] <L3W1S> Ah, okay.
#1038 [13:49] <Morrolan> Then again, the definition really differs.
#1039 [13:49] <Morrolan> Sometimes an administrator is someone who takes care of the technical side, whereas a moderator takes care of the people. *shrug*
#1040 [13:50] <L3W1S> Lol @ shrug.
#1041 [13:50] <L3W1S> <b> XD </b>
#1042 [13:51] <L3W1S> The most epic fail ever.
#1043 [13:51] <Morrolan> Yea, IRC doesn't support HTML. ;)
#1044 [13:51] <L3W1S> To avoid confusion, I might call the rank 'ModOp'
#1045 [13:51] <Morrolan> Neither does it BBCode, so no need to try that one next.
#1046 [13:51] <L3W1S> A combination of the two.
#1047 [13:51] <L3W1S> :3
#1048 [13:51] <Morrolan> Would work too I guess. ;)
#1049 [13:51] <L3W1S> XD.
#1050 [13:52] <L3W1S> O.o
#1051 [13:52] <Morrolan> That was the bot muting you, due to you seemingly using the enter key a bit too often for his taste. ;)
#1052 [13:52] <L3W1S> What a crap bot.
#1053 [13:52] <Morrolan> Don't think too much of it, since it can be falsified due to lag.
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#1055 [13:53] <Morrolan> Oh, it's very helpful when someone has the great idea of pasting a giant file in here.
#1056 [13:53] <Morrolan> or
#1057 [13:53] <Morrolan> talks
#1058 [13:53] <Morrolan> like
#1059 [13:53] <Morrolan> this
#1060 [13:53] <Morrolan> all the time etc.
#1061 [13:53] * Scott cat's minecraft.jar and pastes the output
#1061 [13:53] <L3W1S> I can understand that but the bot is just a faggot when it mutes the innocent.
#1062 [13:53] * AuBot kicked L3W1S from #minecrafthelp (Reason: 3W1S :Please keep it civil.)
#1063 [13:54] <Scott> inb4 he bitches about this
#1064 [13:54] <Eddie> ban!
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#1066 [13:54] * Morrolan readies his mackerel
#1066 [13:54] <mib_zpegj1> Lol @ the bot.
#1067 [13:54] <Morrolan> Meet bot #2.
#1068 [13:54] <mib_zpegj1> (It's L3W1S)
#1069 [13:55] <mib_zpegj1> Whoever made that bot fails at coding.
#1070 [13:55] <Morrolan> How so?
#1071 [13:55] <mib_zpegj1> Anyway; what do you think of me calling the rank 'ModOp'?
#1072 [13:55] <Morrolan> You used a word which a number of people find rather rude.
#1073 [13:55] <Morrolan> Whatever works for your server, really.
#1074 [13:55] <Scott> mib_zpegj1: I would just shut up before you find yourself banned rather than kicked/quieted.
#1075 [13:56] <mib_zpegj1> Don't worry, I'm leaving.
#1076 [13:56] <mib_zpegj1> To a better chat. Nice meeting you Morrolan, but I am not here to be threatened with bans.
#1077 [13:56] <mib_zpegj1> Goodbye.
#1078 [13:56] <Morrolan> Enjoy your stay on IRC. :)
#1079 [13:56] <Eddie> Goodluck with life
#1080 [13:57] <Morrolan> You two are a bit touchy about this, eh? ;)
#1081 [13:57] <Eddie> I just hate people who like to be in a crappy environment.
#1082 [13:57] <Eddie> And think it's okay.
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#1093 [14:48] <Sakawa> Hi! Can someone help me? I just want to change my minecraft nickname. Is possibile to do this?
#1094 [14:49] <oldtopman> Unfortunately, no. Sorry :)
#1095 [14:49] <Sakawa> Ok, thanks. Anything about changing my nick only in my server?
#1096 [14:50] <Corin> Use a nick type plugin
#1097 [14:50] <Morrolan> If the server has a plugin which supports it.
#1098 [14:50] <Corin> Such as Essentials
#1099 [14:50] <Corin> Nick change*
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#1101 [14:51] <Sakawa> Ok, I'll google it. Thanks for your tips. Have a good day :D
#1102 [14:54] <TheNoodle> !kick Corin requested
#1103 [14:54] * AuBot kicked Corin from #minecrafthelp (Reason: orin :I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you stay here. (Issued by TheNoodle with reason: requested))
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#1105 [14:54] <Corin> Oh come on Noodle :<
#1106 [14:54] <TheNoodle> lol
#1107 [14:54] <Corin> Was that really needed? ;w;
#1108 [14:54] <TheNoodle> ily
#1109 [14:54] <Corin> ily2 <3
#1110 [14:54] <TheNoodle> ^^_^
#1111 [14:55] <Iaccidentally> <3 noodle
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#1124 [16:12] <Deleters> Yo guise.
#1125 [16:13] <Deleters> A friend is having a small problem with minecraft classic, it's not connecting. The server is up and everything, but she is unable to join, while I can.
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#1128 [16:15] <Calinou> Deleters, port forwarding
#1129 [16:16] <Calinou> you need to disable any software firewalls you have first (your antivirus's, windows's, etc), and forward port 25565 in TCP.
#1130 [16:16] <Deleters> Ehm, I'm not hosting the server.
#1131 [16:16] <Deleters> It's remote from my desktop, and I can still connect.
#1132 [16:16] <Calinou> why is she unable to join, any error message? improperly configured client?
#1133 [16:17] <Deleters> just "Connecting"
#1134 [16:17] <Deleters> And it's in-browser creative.
#1135 [16:17] <Calinou> well, maybe her firewall is acting up
#1136 [16:17] <Calinou> (no pun intended)
#1137 [16:18] <Deleters> I'll try to see what there is.
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#1139 [16:35] <Deleters> Eet no work.
#1140 [16:41] <Calinou> dunno, minecraft classic is quite dead anyway
#1141 [16:42] <Eddie> What part of France are you in?
#1142 [16:42] <Eddie> :3
#1143 [16:43] <Eddie> ASSUMING YOU LIVE THERE
#1144 [16:43] <Deleters> Not me.
#1145 [16:43] <Deleters> ._.
#1146 [16:43] <Deleters> A friend
#1147 [16:43] <Eddie> oh this is #minecrafthelp
#1148 [16:43] <Deleters> Yes. XD
#1149 [16:45] <Deleters> She uses google chrome, if that helps,.
#1150 [16:46] <Calinou> should be fine
#1151 [16:46] <Calinou> Eddie, north-easy
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#1153 [16:49] <EvoD> hey i need help
#1154 [16:50] <EvoD> How do i purchase minecraft via google checkout
#1155 [16:50] <Deleters> just use the normal minecraft.net thingy
#1156 [16:50] <Deleters> with paypal
#1157 [16:50] <Deleters> much easier.
#1158 [16:50] <GreyVulpine> Is google checkout listed as a payment option?
#1159 [16:50] <EvoD> paypal wont accept my card
#1160 [16:50] <GreyVulpine> Didn't think it was last I checked
#1161 [16:51] <GreyVulpine> Then use a different card, or contact Paypal
#1162 [16:51] <EvoD> oh ive tried many times with paypal
#1163 [16:51] <EvoD> they just dont care
#1164 [16:51] <Deleters> Grey, "Connecting", like minecraft is frozen in that state, google chrome, no firewalls, avg. Why can my friend not connect? :o
#1165 [16:51] <GreyVulpine> Is it just your friend, or anybody at all?
#1166 [16:52] <Deleters> just my friend.
#1167 [16:52] <GreyVulpine> Running any mods? Any custom stuff? What are you running?
#1168 [16:52] <Deleters> no, it's Minecraft classic in-browser.
#1169 [16:52] <GreyVulpine> What is he connecting with? Any custom clients? Any mods?
#1170 [16:52] <Deleters> Nothing custom.
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#1172 [16:53] <GreyVulpine> Hmm
#1173 [16:53] <GreyVulpine> What network is he connecting from?
#1174 [16:54] <Deleters> home/work
#1175 [16:54] <Deleters> evod, he said CONTACT paypal. c:
#1176 [16:55] <GreyVulpine> Hmm
#1177 [16:55] <EvoD> The card you entered cannot be used for this payment. Please enter a different credit or debit card number
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#1179 [16:56] <GreyVulpine> Then there's something up with that particular card
#1180 [16:56] <EvoD> not really i use it online all the time
#1181 [16:56] <EvoD> works fine with google checkout
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#1183 [16:57] <Omega_Guardian> maybe it needs to be registered? I have to do that with a prepaid card thing. Although the first time on a new card, it went thru for some reason before I registered :P
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#1187 [17:17] <Rayust> Hey y'all I have a suspicion as to what my problems is but maybe there is a fix I can't find. I have a home server that has about 5 people on or so at its peak. It has several mods installed: Industrialcraft, buildcraft, advance machines, compact solar panels, backpack, ironchest, redpower. I do have forge on the server and it appears to work.
#1188 [17:18] <Rayust> unless you want to build anything in redpower, when it is given the correct id and appears in the inventory placing it ends up with another block ID to take it place. Some blocks like the gem block actually show as unknown and become an invisible block that can not be broken or interacted with.
#1189 [17:19] <GreyVulpine> Sorry, way too mods for us to really troubleshoot for. Betting it's just a mod conflict, with not enough block IDs
#1190 [17:21] <Deleters> We don't even have to help with non-vanilla mods.
#1191 [17:21] <Rayust> Ah well it was worth a try
#1192 [17:21] <Deleters> Some of us do. c:
#1193 [17:21] <GreyVulpine> More of a headache really, but I welcome anybody that wants to help.
#1194 [17:21] <Deleters> Best bet is to add one mod at a time, from scratch
#1195 [17:22] <Rayust> I was kinda thinking that was my problem maybe I will just start with vanilla and keep adding mods till I hit the breaking point
#1196 [17:22] <Deleters> then when you found your mod conflict a, add only that, then add one mod at a time from that modded server
#1197 [17:22] <Deleters> you will have the two mods that are conflicting.
#1198 [17:22] <Deleters> XD You read my mind.
#1199 [17:22] <Deleters> It's basically the only way to find out.
#1200 [17:23] <Rayust> was hoping for a "oh yea do this" moment, but I know those don't happen lol
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#1202 [17:24] <GreyVulpine> Sorry, really once you start stacking multiple mods or plugins, it becomes difficult to figure out all the interactions.
#1203 [17:25] <Rayust> I'm just making bad assumptions, I figured if I could make single player work with all the mods surely I could get the server as well
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#1205 [17:27] <esper_gvxgcuust> oh I am just making bad assumptions that since I got the mods to work on single player that the server would be a breeze
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#1207 [17:28] <Rayust> and now this client is crashing ha, well thanks for the help y'all I will just dig through it
#1208 [17:32] <Deleters> so grey
#1209 [17:32] <Deleters> any idea over here?
#1210 [17:33] <GreyVulpine> Does it work for him on any other server?
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#1212 [17:39] <Deleters> Lemme check
#1213 [17:40] <Deleters> yes, it's just for my server, where she was ipbanned
#1214 [17:40] <Deleters> I tried to unipban, but it said that it's not a valid ip, guessing she's already unbanned.
#1215 [17:44] <GreyVulpine> Huh...
#1216 [17:44] <GreyVulpine> Then there's something on your end that's blocking the connection
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#1220 [18:02] <Deleters> we tested out a firewall. :o
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#1224 [18:22] <GameServersDIRECT> are there any hosters in here?
#1225 [18:22] <GameServersDIRECT> are there any hosters in here?
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#1228 [18:28] <Neooooooo> Hello?
#1229 [18:29] <Neooooooo> Can anyone help me with finding sugar cane on my main map on the xbox 360 edition?
#1230 [18:29] <Neooooooo> I've looked all over the map already and can't find a single stalk.
#1231 [18:30] <DiskDaemon> Sure thing, take a boat out along the shorelines - that's where it grows
#1232 [18:30] <NinjaKirby> lol
#1233 [18:30] <NinjaKirby> Hmmmm
#1234 [18:30] <NinjaKirby> Greetings Daemon Diskette
#1235 [18:30] <Neooooooo> I know I already read all about it, has to be adajecent to water/
#1236 [18:31] <Neooooooo> I've done looked all over the map which is relatively small compared to the pc version
#1237 [18:31] <DiskDaemon> hi there
#1238 [18:31] <Deleters> Neo, it should be infinite.
#1239 [18:31] <Neooooooo> Haven't seen any sugar cane, is there any other useful tips?
#1240 [18:31] <Neooooooo> I would think so too
#1241 [18:31] <NinjaKirby> Any chance it can be found in Dungeon Chests?
#1242 [18:31] <DiskDaemon> If the map that you have generated doesn't contain sugarcane, you'll have to go without it until you generate a new map
#1243 [18:31] <Neooooooo> But I haven't seen 1, I could farm if I could just get one sugar cane
#1244 [18:32] <DiskDaemon> That's one of the annoying limitations of having only a 1000x1000 map on the xbox
#1245 [18:32] <Omega_Guardian> you'd have to have one incredibly ancient generated map to not have sugarcane though I think
#1246 [18:32] <Deleters> Xbox has a limited space. Grand. ._.
#1247 [18:32] <Deleters> Omega, it's xbox. c:
#1248 [18:32] <Omega_Guardian> ah
#1249 [18:32] <Deleters> And you will be able to travel enough to get the sugarcane.
#1250 [18:32] <Neooooooo> Agreed Disk
#1251 [18:33] <Neooooooo> I really don't want to start a new map just to find sugar cane, chances are I will end missing something else from the map
#1252 [18:33] <DiskDaemon> Whoops, correction. The actual size is 1024x1024
#1253 [18:34] <DiskDaemon> If sugarcane doesn't exist on your current map, you can't just magic it out of thin air I'm afraid
#1254 [18:34] <Neooooooo> Can sugar cane be found in dugeons?
#1255 [18:34] <DiskDaemon> not that I know of
#1256 [18:34] <Neooooooo> In the chests I mean
#1257 [18:34] <DiskDaemon> No, definately not
#1258 [18:34] <DiskDaemon> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Dungeon#Chest_contents
#1259 [18:34] <Omega_Guardian> I think dungeon chests are limited in what can appear in them. Mineshaft chests have mostly the same
#1260 [18:35] <Neooooooo> Well thanks for the help
#1261 [18:36] <DiskDaemon> Mineshaft chests http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Abandoned_mine_shafts#Chest_contents
#1262 [18:36] <Neooooooo> I don't think xbox 360 edition even put in abandoned mine shafts yet \=
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#1265 [18:36] <Deleters> Mineshafts contains: Pick (rare), Diamond (rare), gold, iron, redstone, melon seeds, pumpkin seeds (rare), I believe.
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#1269 [18:36] <DiskDaemon> There's a full list at http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Abandoned_mine_shafts#Chest_contents
#1270 [18:36] <vb> help! error could not create java virtual machine
#1271 [18:37] <Deleters> reinstall java?
#1272 [18:37] <DiskDaemon> If your existing map doesn't contain any sugarcane, you'll have to go without until you start a new map. Those are your options, limited as they are
#1273 [18:37] <vb> i did
#1274 [18:38] <Neooooooo> Yeah I think so too
#1275 [18:38] <Neooooooo> Thanks for the help
#1276 [18:38] <NinjaKirby> That's an amazing Map Generation flaw
#1277 [18:39] <vb> help! error could not create java virtual machine
#1278 [18:39] <NinjaKirby> Wonder if they'll have to tweak it to force everything to spawn at least once
#1279 [18:39] <Deleters> Vb, you should try to reinstall java again, using JAva 1.6
#1280 [18:40] <vb> i have the latest one
#1281 [18:40] <vb> java 1.7 update 4 i think
#1282 [18:41] <mickster04> yeah that breaks things still :/
#1283 [18:41] <vb> link for 1.6 java?
#1284 [18:41] <Deleters> I'm getting it.
#1285 [18:41] <Deleters> Minecraft is not really made in 1.7, so it will have a lot of errors.
#1286 [18:44] <Deleters> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jdk-6u32-downloads-1594644.html
#1287 [18:44] <Deleters> That's the latest version of Java 6.
#1288 [18:44] <Deleters> VB! Wake up please. I have the download fer ya.
#1289 [18:44] <vb> ..
#1290 [18:44] <vb> i got one from google
#1291 [18:45] <vb> hope it works
#1292 [18:45] <Deleters> It should.
#1293 [18:45] <Deleters> I'm going to hate oceans on a large Biome map. ._.
#1294 [18:47] <vb> yay
#1295 [18:47] <vb> it works
#1296 [18:47] <vb> anyway, minecraft should be ported to another engine
#1297 [18:47] <vb> java is buggy
#1298 [18:48] <DiskDaemon> Java's the the problem - it's the way the code has been written that's the problem
#1299 [18:49] <DiskDaemon> A straight port to another engine will result in mostly the same problems that currently exist, plus a few new ones. A rewrite using less brittle techniques is what's needed instead
#1300 [18:50] <NinjaKirby> Sounds like you've accepted the challenge of rebuilding towards a Minecraft 2.0, DO IT
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#1302 [18:51] <DiskDaemon> refactoring to achieve a separation of concerns, unit tests to ensure code stability, and just applying simple basic rules of development that have been proven to work time and time again. But no, Minecraft continue to put development code in to production because that's what has worked for them before </rant>
#1303 [18:51] <NinjaKirby> Que
#1304 [18:52] <NinjaKirby> Mr Fawlty, it's Sybil, she go crazy!
#1305 [18:52] <DiskDaemon> Not now, manual!
#1306 [18:52] <NinjaKirby> Ah, si si si~
#1307 [18:53] * NinjaKirby does that crouch-walk thing and takes the luggage away
#1307 [18:53] <NinjaKirby> I do a lot of crouch-walking in here
#1308 [18:53] * DiskDaemon throws telephone book at Manuel. Go away!
#1308 [18:55] <NinjaKirby> Arrhhh~ I go!
#1309 [18:56] <DiskDaemon> Anyone who hasn't seen Fawlty Towers yet must do so immediately
#1310 [18:57] <NinjaKirby> Ya, probably one of the most hilarious I've seen, despite being only 2 Seasons long
#1311 [18:58] <NinjaKirby> Porridge is another, have yet to see every episode though
#1312 [18:58] <Deleters> Disk, remind me to tell anyone who has trouble connecting in minecraft classic that they must downgrade java to Java 6.
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#1314 [19:00] <DiskDaemon> Deleters: *ahem* Don't forget to tell anyone who has trouble connecting in minecraft classic that they must downgrade java to Java 6.
#1315 [19:00] <Deleters> c:
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#1317 [19:10] <vb> help! how to assign more ram to minecraft?
#1318 [19:11] <DiskDaemon> http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/350344-allocating-more-memory-to-java-windows/
#1319 [19:13] <vb> any good seeds for jungle temple?
#1320 [19:14] <DiskDaemon> http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1265071-12w22a-seeds-jungle-temple-pyramid-jungle-pyramid-desert-village/
#1321 [19:14] <vb> except the forum ones
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#1323 [19:22] <WestoverAirFoseBase> how do i reset a world??
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#1325 [19:23] <WestoverAirFoseBase> how do i reset a world??
#1326 [19:23] <GreyVulpine> Delete your world folder
#1327 [19:23] <WestoverAirFoseBase> no on .30
#1328 [19:23] <GreyVulpine> On classic, delete the... level.dat file?
#1329 [19:24] <GreyVulpine> or world.dat, I forget what the name is
#1330 [19:25] <WestoverAirFoseBase> umm whats the / name is it /reset
#1331 [19:25] <WestoverAirFoseBase> nvm
#1332 [19:26] <GreyVulpine> There is none
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#1337 [19:44] <WestoverAirFoseBase> /op SGNLawlor
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#1343 [20:11] <Amazing> On Classic, Im On A Diff Comp and I try to play it, i cant connect, it says "Failed To Connect The Servers Probably Down!" On Every Server, Is there a fix?
#1344 [20:14] <Amazing> ?
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#1348 [20:17] <Deleters> REmove java 7, add in java 6.
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#1357 [21:32] <TheSteve0> first question: Does server and client talk over http or is it a custom protocol? I am fronting my server with apache and wonder if that will work
#1358 [21:32] <TheSteve0> all other questions depend on that question
#1359 [21:32] <Deleters> :I
#1360 [21:32] <Deleters> not sure.
#1361 [21:33] <TheSteve0> Deleters how do I set usernames and passwords on a standalone server
#1362 [21:33] <TheSteve0> is there a config file where I can set all that?
#1363 [21:33] <Deleters> Uhm... You are asking a chinese monk if they know how to use a gun. :I
#1364 [21:33] <Deleters> greyvulpine
#1365 [21:33] <TheSteve0> ok Deleters sorry
#1366 [21:33] <Deleters> I'm routing you to someone else
#1367 [21:33] <Deleters> Please hold.
#1368 [21:34] * TheSteve0 suddenly hears elevator muzak
#1368 [21:37] * TheSteve0 thinks everyone is too busy playing minecraft to help me ;)
#1368 [21:37] <Deleters> I am. c: But I do actually cut down on the minecraft to help.
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#1380 [22:42] <xiondar> Hello, I Just started a new server and bought a host and now in need of builders anyone interested? :D
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#1382 [22:54] <ToddVladimir> Anybody at all know how to remove NPC's with green names (AKA failed npc via /createnpc command) on a server? I've tried everything, same with google, youtube, wiki, Minecraft Wiki, the Minecraft Forums and the other Minecraft sites..not 1 result as to how to remove...
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#1388 [23:50] <TheSteve0> GreyVulpine: ping
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#1390 [23:56] <ace_case> Hey
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