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#10 [00:31] <sel> question?
#11 [00:31] <sel> do you know when steve_restless will come back to #twocans?
#12 [00:35] <sel> thanks for the help...
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#28 [02:55] <ThePhoenix> Hey guys, I'm having the infamous "Bad Video Card" error. I have tried everything I have found, does anyone here have any links, or tips on what to do? Thanks in advance.
#29 [02:56] <lemon-rev> windows / mac / ?
#30 [02:56] <ThePhoenix> Windows vista, latest version of Java and MC.
#31 [02:57] <lemon-rev> ok did you do a fresh install of java ?
#32 [02:57] <ThePhoenix> This is a fresh install of Vista, so yes everything is brand newly installed.
#33 [02:57] <lemon-rev> do you know the graphics card in the machine ?
#34 [02:57] <ThePhoenix> It's an old school intel. Itel 82856g I believe.
#35 [02:57] <ThePhoenix> 82865g sorry.
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#37 [02:58] <lemon-rev> does that have the ablility to do open gl 2.0
#38 [02:58] <ThePhoenix> I was running MC perfectly fine on Windows XP from alpha till now, it's just now that I'm getting the error with updating to vista.
#39 [02:58] <lemon-rev> hm
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#41 [03:05] <Calinou> <ThePhoenix> and calinou, I have been playing minecraft since Alpha with about 30 FPS.
#42 [03:05] <Wug> yeah, with wubi
#43 [03:05] <Calinou> beta 1.8+ performs much worse than say, beta 1.5
#44 [03:05] <Calinou> <Wug> ThePhoenix: you might consider trying ubuntu
#45 [03:05] <Calinou> noobuntu
#46 [03:05] <Wug> ^ this very much
#47 [03:05] <Wug> Calinou: if you want to guide him through compiling gentoo then go right ahead
#48 [03:05] <Calinou> however, good news: singleplayer in 1.3 will be much faster
#49 [03:06] <ThePhoenix> Correct, but I use Optifine, that stabalizes it and makes it run MUCH smoother.
#50 [03:06] <Calinou> Wug, heh :P
#51 [03:06] <Calinou> optifine :D
#52 [03:06] <Wug> meanwhile, I'll just recommend an easy to install distro, and sit back and have a coke
#53 [03:06] <ThePhoenix> I love optifine. It's an absolute lifesaver.
#54 [03:06] <Wug> when you run into trouble I'll send you links from ubuntuforum >:)
#55 [03:06] <ThePhoenix> Jeb needs to talk with them guys, they are genius, with the multithreading, and magic launcher, is absolutely amazing. I love them guys.
#56 [03:07] <lutzee> They tried to buy optifine but the guy refused
#57 [03:07] <Calinou> ThePhoenix> I love optifine. It's an absolute lifesaver. < I have good computers but I like the hd texture support/config options
#58 [03:07] <Calinou> such as disabling void fog
#59 [03:07] <lutzee> they offered $10000 apparently
#60 [03:08] <Calinou> Wug, tip: dual boot is not that easy, especially on computers from 2011... remember: UEFI
#61 [03:08] <Wug> does uefi make it hard
#62 [03:08] <Calinou> "with the multithreading" < the standard edition is much better IMO
#63 [03:08] <Wug> macs have been dual booting for a long time
#64 [03:08] <Calinou> Wug, read wikipedia and see?
#65 [03:08] <ThePhoenix> I also like how they enabled you to turn off fog period, so playing on tiny doesn't make you want to rip your hair out.
#66 [03:08] <Calinou> <lutzee> They tried to buy optifine but the guy refused
#67 [03:08] <Calinou> the guy probably wanted 5 quintillion dollars
#68 [03:08] <lutzee> ^
#69 [03:09] <Calinou> mojang would "noob it down" anyway. aka: remove all the config options
#70 [03:09] <Wug> minecraft needs a hidden expert switch
#71 [03:09] <Boreeas> I'm dualbooting fine
#72 [03:09] <Wug> konami code in options menu --> advanced options
#73 [03:09] <Calinou> Wug, true
#74 [03:10] <lutzee> the config options are the best part, as you can strip out practically all the graphic options
#75 [03:10] <Calinou> lol
#76 [03:10] <ThePhoenix> wug, how do you install ubuntu directly in the windows enviroment? I don't have a capable computer to burn a new disk, both of my big computers are being repaired.
#77 [03:10] <Calinou> no, you can't strip the render itself. :3
#78 [03:10] <Wug> and the server particularly needs threading
#79 [03:10] <Calinou> ThePhoenix, you can use an USB drive/key/whatever you call it
#80 [03:10] <Wug> it could benefit hugely from it
#81 [03:10] <ThePhoenix> I don't have one of those, or else I would.
#82 [03:10] <Wug> ThePhoenix: I believe there is an exe for it
#83 [03:10] <Calinou> Wug, server would benefit more from non-half-assed coding
#84 [03:10] <Wug> google "ubuntu wubi"
#85 [03:11] <Calinou> can't stand player/mob positions are simulated and sent 20 times a second
#86 [03:11] <Calinou> so much chunks loaded, no caching on the clients
#87 [03:11] <Calinou> so much mobs simulated, no "inactive" state for far away mobs
#88 [03:11] <Wug> Calinou: true. it would still benefit from threading
#89 [03:11] <Wug> mobs exist only in loaded chunks
#90 [03:11] <Wug> the problem with caching is youd have to track updates somehow
#91 [03:11] <ThePhoenix> a 2.4 MB file to install an OS. These guys are also genius.
#92 [03:12] <Wug> mob positions are sent as deltas
#93 [03:12] <Calinou> I know, but far-away chunks/mobs need some sort of "inactive" state.
#94 [03:12] <Wug> ThePhoenix: its much bigger than that
#95 [03:12] <Calinou> they would be sent to clients but not move
#96 [03:12] <Calinou> > less CPU
#97 [03:12] <Wug> Calinou: they dont move if theyre further than like 24 blocks from a player
#98 [03:12] <Calinou> (more than 48 blocks away? 32?)
#99 [03:12] <ThePhoenix> The installer is 2.4 The os is about 3GB
#100 [03:12] <Calinou> they do move, as "idling around"
#101 [03:12] <Wug> that was added to stop mob traps
#102 [03:12] <ThePhoenix> 2.4 mb that is. and 3.0 GB
#103 [03:12] <Calinou> ThePhoenix, it'll download the entire distro
#104 [03:12] <Wug> nope. grab an xray pack and watch them
#105 [03:12] <Calinou> :P
#106 [03:13] <Calinou> Wug, nono they still move around
#107 [03:13] <Calinou> I can guarantee this. pretty much all hostiles
#108 [03:13] <ThePhoenix> Oh I know how it works, I'm just impressed at how small the program to do it is.
#109 [03:13] <Wug> they pretty much just stand there
#110 [03:13] <Wug> I know nonhostiles move
#111 [03:13] <lutzee> it's futher than 24 blocks i believe
#112 [03:13] <Calinou> and they sometimes move. they are still affected by gravity too
#113 [03:13] <Calinou> and this DOES use CPU, since that ^ is done on 50+ mobs/entities
#114 [03:13] <ThePhoenix> My disk is for 11.10, they are on 12.04 now, but it automatically updates anyway.
#115 [03:13] <Wug> you cant just turn gravity off for far away things
#116 [03:13] <Calinou> this is why we need "inactive" states
#117 [03:14] <Wug> as it turns out the overhead for 50 mobs at 20 ticks a second isnt that much
#118 [03:14] <Wug> 1000 position updates per second
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#120 [03:14] <Calinou> 20 ticks a second < another problem. this would work well if everyone had 50ms ping, but unfortunately we don't
#121 [03:14] <lutzee> Ubuntu won't upgrade through a release unless you tell it to
#122 [03:14] <ThePhoenix> Are you guys MC coders?
#123 [03:14] <Calinou> why send and recieve player positions that much? we better send them 5 times a second and interpolate them much more
#124 [03:14] <Calinou> ThePhoenix, nah. :3
#125 [03:14] <Wug> I wrote a few mods a while back
#126 [03:14] <Boreeas> ThePhoenix: Nope
#127 [03:15] <lutzee> I've looked at the code but not done anything really
#128 [03:15] <Wug> it could certainly be made so mobs you couldnt see were updated less frequently, but its a network concern rather than a cpu one
#129 [03:15] <Calinou> same as lutzee
#130 [03:15] <Calinou> Wug, and that'd help for people like me, who have a bad connection ;)
#131 [03:15] <ThePhoenix> I've been trying. I managed to make a mod that makes sheep change color.
#132 [03:15] <Wug> only under some truly exceptional circumstances will mobs be a cpu killer
#133 [03:15] <ThePhoenix> Then my brain exploded.
#134 [03:15] <Wug> mostly if you have a huge number in a small space
#135 [03:16] <lutzee> ThePhoenix, helps to learn java first
#136 [03:16] <Calinou> this is minecraft, the game where it is illegal to make mods, yet everyone does it, based off decompiled code.
#137 [03:16] <Wug> which is usually anomalous behavior anyway
#138 [03:16] <Calinou> modder states: "i wuv field_18ab92"
#139 [03:16] <ThePhoenix> That's my problem, I attempted to learn java. Then my brain exploded.
#140 [03:16] <Calinou> Wug, mob grinders? :3
#141 [03:16] <Calinou> animal farms?
#142 [03:16] <ThePhoenix> I dont' see why modding is illegal, Mojang doesn't seem to mind at all.
#143 [03:16] <Wug> by huge number in small space I mean 300 mobs in a 4x4
#144 [03:16] <Calinou> ThePhoenix, learning a programming language takes time, isn't easy :P
#145 [03:17] <Wug> 2x2*
#146 [03:17] <Calinou> they do not mind but theorically it is illegal.
#147 [03:17] <Wug> mob traps sometimes hit that density
#148 [03:17] <Wug> I was able to do some very interesting work with a zombie spawner
#149 [03:18] <Wug> including getting kicked for hacking without hacking
#150 [03:18] <ThePhoenix> One very controversial thing is the technic guys, what they do, and have managed to do is amazing, but everyone hates them.
#151 [03:18] <Wug> ThePhoenix: they steal other peoples mods without asking
#152 [03:18] <Wug> its not really that glorious
#153 [03:18] <Calinou> <Wug> including getting kicked for hacking without hacking < lol
#154 [03:18] <Calinou> mojang fails at anticheats
#155 [03:18] <Wug> Calinou: this reason is precisely why mobs must jiggle
#156 [03:19] <Wug> they could make it better by not using tcp
#157 [03:19] <Calinou> Wug, at least, finally content mods working fine in multiplayer
#158 [03:19] <Wug> but the server must control everything
#159 [03:19] <Calinou> ^ tcp isn't for realtime gaming
#160 [03:19] <Calinou> packet loss at the cost of lower ping > fine IMO
#161 [03:19] <Wug> otherwise players can exploit things
#162 [03:19] <Calinou> pvp fanboys are gonna whine, let them whine
#163 [03:20] <ThePhoenix> I hate PvP factions servers. They make me want to punch things.
#164 [03:20] <Wug> "waaaaa my ping is lower"
#165 [03:20] <ThePhoenix> That's all EVERY server is now adays.
#166 [03:20] <Wug> Im sure ill hear that a lot
#167 [03:20] <Calinou> hate pvp in general, so much hax
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#169 [03:20] <spam> spam spam spam
#170 [03:20] <spam> spam spam spamspam spam spamspam spam spamspam spam spamspam spam spamspam spam spamspam spam spamspam spam spamspam spam spamspam spam spamspam spam spamspam spam spamspam spam spamspam spam spamspam spam spamspam spam spamspam spam spamspam spam spamspam spam spamspam spam spamspam spam spamspam spam spamspam spam spamspam spam spam
#171 [03:20] <spam> spam spam spam
#172 [03:20] <spam> spam spam spamspam spam spamspam spam spamspam spam spamspam spam spamspam spam spam
#173 [03:20] <spam> spam spam spam
#174 [03:20] <Calinou> lol
#175 [03:20] <Calinou> FAIL
#176 [03:20] <ThePhoenix> That lasted long.
#177 [03:20] * Wug kicked spam from #minecrafthelp (Reason: pam :spam)
#178 [03:20] <Calinou> kick please?
#179 [03:21] <Calinou> thank you
#180 [03:21] <ThePhoenix> That happens on my MC server daily, it lasts about 3 messages, which no one but admins see, then they are kicked.
#181 [03:21] <ThePhoenix> STAB is epic.
#182 [03:21] * Calinou stabs ThePhoenix
#182 [03:21] <ThePhoenix> Ouch.
#183 [03:22] <ThePhoenix> Am I not allowed to talk about Bukkit here?
#184 [03:22] <Calinou> #bukkit < better channel
#185 [03:22] <lutzee> really this is a support channel
#186 [03:22] <Calinou> we won't ban you if you talk about bukkit though :P
#187 [03:23] <lutzee> and dammit, Eloraam needs an op in #redpower that spammer was there also..
#188 [03:23] <Wug> network b&
#189 [03:23] <Calinou> Eloraam needs an op in #redpower
#190 [03:23] <Calinou> #girlsdontneedops
#191 [03:24] <ThePhoenix> You guys are chatting, I figured I'd join in also :D
#192 [03:24] <lutzee> Calinou, what she's not around.... of a bot just to kick spammers
#193 [03:24] <ThePhoenix> I don't need bukkit support, I was just mentioning it.
#194 [03:24] <Wug> wugbots flood protection is a tad borked
#195 [03:24] <Wug> I'm going to fix it this weekend
#196 [03:24] <Wug> hopefully
#197 [03:24] <Wug> if I can find the piece of paper I braindumped the new design on
#198 [03:26] <ThePhoenix> ./nick doesn't work?
#199 [03:26] <Wug> wha?
#200 [03:27] <ThePhoenix> Idunno.
#201 [03:27] <lutzee|college> you in #minecraft?
#202 [03:28] <ThePhoenix> I think my client is still connected to it, I'm not active in it.
#203 [03:28] <lutzee|college> yup, you need to register with nickserv if your going to be in #minecraft
#204 [03:28] <ThePhoenix> There I closed it from my client
#205 [03:28] <Calinou> -_-
#206 [03:28] <Calinou> *joins server, farm griefed*
#207 [03:28] <ThePhoenix> I HATE griefers.
#208 [03:29] <Wug> theyre uncreative
#209 [03:29] * ThePhoenix pulls out his ban hammer.
#209 [03:29] <Wug> beating them is as simple as being more creative
#210 [03:29] <Wug> which isnt hard
#211 [03:29] <ThePhoenix> I was messing with my friends one time, and I broke his window, and threw a block through it. That was creative and funny griefing .
#212 [03:30] <Wug> lol
#213 [03:30] <Wug> was it a brick block
#214 [03:30] <Wug> or just a regular brick XD
#215 [03:30] <ThePhoenix> No just a brick
#216 [03:30] <ThePhoenix> then I threw in a piece of paper to look like a note
#217 [03:30] <Wug> lol
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#219 [03:31] <Calinou> <ThePhoenix> I HATE griefers.
#220 [03:31] <Calinou> they're just the dark side of minecraft - they're not idiot
#221 [03:31] <Calinou> but I still hate them :<
#222 [03:31] <Wug> most of them are grief team fanboys
#223 [03:31] <ThePhoenix> Wow my server has been on mcstatus for like a month and a half and its still 100% uptime. Win.
#224 [03:31] <Calinou> "need window repair? call 555-222-333"
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#226 [03:31] <Calinou> :P
#227 [03:31] <Wug> ie amateurs
#228 [03:32] <Wug> no coding skill or originality
#229 [03:32] <Wug> the use tools that are made for them by others who are much greater
#230 [03:32] <Wug> theyre rather like skiddies in that respect
#231 [03:32] <ThePhoenix> I've seen some guys make there own custom client, and they're pretty impressive.
#232 [03:32] <Calinou> yep
#233 [03:32] <Calinou> "vanilla griefers" are very rare today
#234 [03:33] <Calinou> usually, they only make minor griefs and farm harvests without replants
#235 [03:33] <Wug> its funny
#236 [03:33] <Wug> you know the mitm attack thats suddenly receiving so much attention
#237 [03:33] <ThePhoenix> 90% servers wouldn't matter whether you're using a hacked client or not.
#238 [03:34] <Wug> I posted a video of an attack on it like 6 months before it became popular
#239 [03:34] <Calinou> mitm?
#240 [03:34] <Wug> you might say I was a hacker before it was cool
#241 [03:34] <Wug> assuming it ever was
#242 [03:34] <ThePhoenix> The Days end bot has been litterally killing servers, as in melting down hardware with the attacks.
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#244 [03:34] <Calinou> Wug surely is :P
#245 [03:35] <Wug> if your server is so poorly configured that its vulnerable to hardware issues then youre doing it wrong
#246 [03:35] <Wug> and by configured I mean hosted
#247 [03:35] <Calinou> in soviet russia, the server hosts YOU!
#248 [03:35] <Wug> its not so much a configuration issue if youre vulnerable to hardware overheating
#249 [03:35] <ThePhoenix> I have so many plugins to prevent hacks and attacks, and I have the BEST host that you can get.
#250 [03:37] <Calinou> inb4 "it costs a lot, please donate for infinite diamond."
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#252 [03:38] <ThePhoenix> Lolol. $13.00 a month.
#253 [03:39] <Calinou> specs?
#254 [03:40] <Wug> ThePhoenix: its worlds end
#255 [03:40] <Wug> not days end
#256 [03:40] <ThePhoenix> 2 GB of ram. I can pastebin you the actuall machine specs, but it's your standard enterprise grade server.
#257 [03:40] <Wug> and all it does is connect flood with proxies
#258 [03:41] <Calinou> ah
#259 [03:48] <Wug> ThePhoenix: so uf
#260 [03:48] <Wug> uh*
#261 [03:48] <Wug> if you lose your connection you get banned
#262 [03:48] <Wug> there seems like a flaw with that
#263 [03:49] <ThePhoenix> No, you time out from the server at a set Ping. The bots that join the server, join with a ping way over the ammount of playable MC because they TECHINALLY never actually join the server.
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#265 [03:52] <AG_Clinton> No, what they're doing is joining on crappy proxies which lag.
#266 [03:52] <AG_Clinton> They do join the server.
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#269 [03:53] <ThePhoenix> From what I understand, they join on a proxy and attempt to ping flood which lags the servers connection.
#270 [03:54] <ThePhoenix> It's set beyond the point that someone could get accidently banned.
#271 [03:54] <ThePhoenix> It
#272 [03:54] <ThePhoenix> Oops. It's like 1990's dialup ping.
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#318 [09:11] <Ravenesti> Morning everyone
#319 [09:16] <DiskDaemon> hi there
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#322 [09:29] <Denaton> I am getting tired of this now, have been w8ing for awsner from Mojang for about 1.5 month i made a new one last day, still can't logg in after i migrated
#323 [09:31] <Denaton> I have had my account since Alpha and i wanna play! Someone that can help me?
#324 [09:34] <Necrodoom> Denaton: have you tried a custom client?
#325 [09:36] <Denaton> No? Is the ligeal?
#326 [09:36] <Denaton> Also, i am affraid of useing them, i dont wanna get hacked
#327 [09:36] <Necrodoom> Denaton: legal, yes
#328 [09:37] <Denaton> Where can i get them?
#329 [09:37] <Necrodoom> Denaton: and theres quite a few people using these
#330 [09:37] <Denaton> Should not be needed
#331 [09:37] <Necrodoom> Denaton: theres the spoutclient
#332 [09:37] <Necrodoom> Denaton: thats minecraft for ya :/
#333 [09:38] <Denaton> only find a mod calld spout craft
#334 [09:38] <Necrodoom> the site also has the client on it
#335 [09:39] <Denaton> I can play online with this one?
#336 [09:40] <Necrodoom> Denaton: yes, its almost identical to the original minecraft
#337 [09:40] <Denaton> Whats the diff?
#338 [09:41] <Necrodoom> Denaton: performance fixes and higher graphics options
#339 [09:41] <Denaton> neat
#340 [09:43] <Denaton> I can't login on the page either
#341 [09:43] <Denaton> any fix for that?
#342 [09:43] <Necrodoom> Denaton: what you mean? on the client?
#343 [09:44] <Denaton> on www.minecraft.net
#344 [09:44] <Necrodoom> oh. hm
#345 [09:44] <Necrodoom> what is the error?
#346 [09:45] <Denaton> first one is the same on the client "Migrated account" and then it says failed to login, wrong pass or username
#347 [09:45] <Necrodoom> what do you mean by migrated by the way?
#348 [09:46] <Denaton> to www.mojang.com
#349 [09:46] <Denaton> i dont recomend it
#350 [09:46] <Necrodoom> Denaton: oh, then i dont have anything that can fix your problem
#351 [09:46] <Necrodoom> Denaton: thought you having client launch issues
#352 [09:47] <Denaton> and they wont awsner me on my tickets
#353 [09:47] <Necrodoom> Denaton: support is dead
#354 [09:48] <Denaton> Thats sucks....
#355 [09:48] <Denaton> from Spourcraft i get "Unable to authenticate account with minecraft.net"
#356 [09:48] <Necrodoom> Denaton: you could try twitter, but i dont think it will work
#357 [09:49] <Denaton> What about the mods in here?
#358 [09:49] <Necrodoom> Denaton: they are not assosicated with mojang
#359 [09:49] <Necrodoom> Denaton: this is an unoffical IRC chat
#360 [09:51] <Denaton> "esper.net and other IRC networks aren't affiliated with Minecraft or Mojang, so their staff can't help with support for our game. Ask inside the channels (preferably #MineCraftHelp) for that."
#361 [09:52] <Necrodoom> AKA: venting people with billing issues to places where they dont bother mojang
#362 [09:52] <Necrodoom> IMO
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#370 [10:13] <Denaton> Still cant login
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#374 [10:22] <Guest__> anyone help me?
#375 [10:22] <Denaton> The Help is Dead
#376 [10:23] <Guest__> anyone know how to add a map to single player?
#377 [10:23] <Denaton> %appdata%
#378 [10:23] <DiskDaemon> Add the map to the saves folder
#379 [10:23] <Denaton> in search
#380 [10:23] <DiskDaemon> Easy way to get there, open the texture pack folder from within the game, then go up a folder
#381 [10:23] <Denaton> or that ^^
#382 [10:24] <Guest__> thanks :d
#383 [10:24] <Guest__> so much
#384 [10:24] <Denaton> then in the saves
#385 [10:24] <Guest__> got it thanks ima try now
#386 [10:36] <superkabii> !login
#387 [10:39] <Guest__> anyone know a good texture pack
#388 [10:40] <|Anthony|> there have been a few occasions where i'm dealing with a grieffer and somehow my server stops.
#389 [10:41] <|Anthony|> it doesn't say that it overloaded, doesn't throw any warning or error messages to console, but the server shuts down
#390 [10:41] <|Anthony|> can someone please help me understand what is going on here
#391 [10:41] <Guest__> idk
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#395 [11:19] <Iaccidentally> any #minecraft ops around?
#396 [11:20] <Iaccidentally> i changed my rdns and now i appear to be banned :/
#397 [11:22] <puffrfish> :<
#398 [11:22] <Iaccidentally> lol.
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#401 [11:32] <zoro> hi guys
#402 [11:32] <zoro> i got some problems with the java
#403 [11:33] <zoro> i got some erors like hs_err_pid3996
#404 [11:33] <zoro> any ideas how to resolve it?
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#416 [12:20] <Klausi2020> hi i have a question
#417 [12:21] <Calinou> hi? ask your question; don't ask to ask :)
#418 [12:21] <Klausi2020> yesterday is the paid premium account but not yet activated
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#420 [12:22] <Calinou> Klausi2020, account activation can take up to 3 days; if your account is still not premium, ensure you log in with the account you bought, then contact http://help.mojang.com (see their email) if it still doesn't work
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#422 [12:23] <Klausi2020> ok, thank you, I've read ;-)
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#424 [12:24] <Klausi2020> byby
#425 [12:24] <RepeaterCreeper> ummm
#426 [12:24] <RepeaterCreeper> is this where i can be helped in minecraft error?
#427 [12:25] <RepeaterCreeper> ok so i need help
#428 [12:25] <RepeaterCreeper> java issue
#429 [12:25] <RepeaterCreeper> i cant connect to minecraft
#430 [12:25] <Calinou> RepeaterCreeper, yes? explain please
#431 [12:25] <RepeaterCreeper> when i press connect it loads
#432 [12:25] <RepeaterCreeper> but ...
#433 [12:25] <Calinou> also, we need some info: operating system/java version
#434 [12:25] <RepeaterCreeper> IT DOESN'T START
#435 [12:25] <RepeaterCreeper> :(
#436 [12:25] <RepeaterCreeper> ok
#437 [12:25] <RepeaterCreeper> wait
#438 [12:25] <Iaccidentally> "it doesnt work" is not useful information
#439 [12:25] <Calinou> "it doesn't start" isn't really an explanation
#440 [12:25] <Iaccidentally> please be specific
#441 [12:25] <RepeaterCreeper> okk
#442 [12:25] <Calinou> any error message?
#443 [12:26] <RepeaterCreeper> yaaa
#444 [12:26] <RepeaterCreeper> :D
#445 [12:26] <RepeaterCreeper> need it?
#446 [12:26] <Calinou> yes
#447 [12:26] <RepeaterCreeper> i can paste it in here
#448 [12:26] <Teekeks> use pastebin
#449 [12:26] <RepeaterCreeper> alrighty
#450 [12:27] <RepeaterCreeper> u see?
#451 [12:27] <Teekeks> what? you need to post the link to the paste
#452 [12:27] <RepeaterCreeper> oh sorry
#453 [12:27] <RepeaterCreeper> http://pastie.org/4087094
#454 [12:27] <RepeaterCreeper> :P
#455 [12:28] <Calinou> try to use java 6 instead of java 7; if you're on a 64 bit OS use 64 bit java
#456 [12:28] <Calinou> (use the "offline" installation too!)
#457 [12:28] <Teekeks> he has an 32bit-cpu
#458 [12:28] <RepeaterCreeper> ummm
#459 [12:29] <RepeaterCreeper> i did that
#460 [12:29] <RepeaterCreeper> already
#461 [12:29] <RepeaterCreeper> and it worked
#462 [12:29] <RepeaterCreeper> but i like
#463 [12:29] <RepeaterCreeper> LATEST
#464 [12:29] <RepeaterCreeper> V
#465 [12:29] <RepeaterCreeper> :(
#466 [12:29] <Teekeks> dont spam the chat!
#467 [12:29] <Iaccidentally> can you put more than one word on a line please
#468 [12:29] <RepeaterCreeper> ok
#469 [12:30] <RepeaterCreeper> what do i do?
#470 [12:30] * Iaccidentally facepalms
#470 [12:30] <Iaccidentally> <Calinou> try to use java 6 instead of java 7; if you're on a 64 bit OS use 64 bit java
#471 [12:30] <Iaccidentally> <Calinou> (use the "offline" installation too!)
#472 [12:30] <Iaccidentally> java 7 isnt yet fully integrated.
#473 [12:30] <RepeaterCreeper> oh is there any ways i can get latest version?
#474 [12:30] <RepeaterCreeper> oh
#475 [12:30] <RepeaterCreeper> nvm then
#476 [12:31] <RepeaterCreeper> byeeeee thanks for the help :) :facepalm:
#477 [12:31] <Iaccidentally> derp.
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#482 [12:49] <ReEmM> Hi, i have a question about creating a minecraft server, can i ask it ? I mean, is it autorised there ?
#483 [12:50] <GreyVulpine> What about it?
#484 [12:50] <Iaccidentally> yes
#485 [12:51] <ReEmM> I try to creat a server and use plugins, but apprently, it is easier with bukkit, but i don't arrive to install it
#486 [12:51] <Iaccidentally> you need bukkit for plugins
#487 [12:52] <ReEmM> Yes, but i don't arrive to install it
#488 [12:52] <Iaccidentally> "arrive to install it"?
#489 [12:52] <Iaccidentally> try that in english
#490 [12:52] <ReEmM> Bad translation .. x)
#491 [12:53] <ReEmM> I don't success to install bukkit
#492 [12:53] <Iaccidentally> you cant install bukkit?
#493 [12:53] <Iaccidentally> http://wiki.bukkit.org/Setting_up_a_server
#494 [12:54] <ReEmM> It's not because i can't, but i don't success, i do all what's needed and it don't work
#495 [12:54] <Iaccidentally> i have no idea what you are trying to say
#496 [12:55] <Iaccidentally> >.< google translate
#497 [12:55] <ReEmM> No i don't use it ahah x) Normaly my english isn't too bad ahah
#498 [12:56] <ReEmM> I try to install bukkit, i follow all the steps, but it fails, you understand ? x)
#499 [12:57] <Iaccidentally> how does it fail?
#500 [12:57] <ReEmM> Wait, i try with the link you gave me, i tell you after if i have a problem
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#502 [13:09] <ReEmM> It work, thanks :)
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#509 [13:21] <Guest> Hello I could use some assistance
#510 [13:21] <Parobola> If anyone is out there
#511 [13:22] <Calinou> yes?
#512 [13:22] <Calinou> don't ask to ask
#513 [13:24] <Calinou> to others: "Minecraft will not install for me" < what he said
#514 [13:24] <Parobola> Minecraft will not install on my desktop which is running Win 7 Ult x64 (same as my laptop here) but it will install on my laptop. Tried installing it with same conditions as laptop (JRE 6 update 31) with no success. I've also tried JRE 6 U 33, 7 U 5, and the 64 bit versions of those as well.
#515 [13:24] <Calinou> Parobola, please explain your problem... what is your operating system?
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#517 [13:24] <Calinou> oh, hi pirate :P
#518 [13:25] <Parobola> Running the same update of antivirus on both machines, they are both behind the same switch/router as well.
#519 [13:25] <Parobola> Both have windows firewall disabled
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#521 [13:25] <suomynona> What is kept in the .dat files in the world > data directory?
#522 [13:26] <Parobola> Nothing, the game is not installed?
#523 [13:26] <Omega_Guardian> presumably the chunk data
#524 [13:26] <suomynona> I have a world i play on, there's a bunch of files, eg. map_0.dat, map_1.dat
#525 [13:27] <Parobola> I signed up for an account, paid for the game, downloaded the launcher client for windows, and it gives me back "can't connect to minecraft.net" when I try to login with the launcher to download the game
#526 [13:27] <suomynona> what is this chunk data? The reason I want to know, is I have 2 backups of my world, I wish to replace one section with content from the other, including chests and their contents
#527 [13:28] <Omega_Guardian> the minecraft server is famous for being unstable
#528 [13:28] <suomynona> it occurred to me that i can find out which regions these are, so i was thinking i could just copy pasta the appropriate region files
#529 [13:28] <Omega_Guardian> all the info for the blocks, etc in that chunk I assume
#530 [13:28] <suomynona> but i'm wondering if i'll need some of the "data" folder's files too
#531 [13:28] <Omega_Guardian> there is programs that can tell you what is in it I think
#532 [13:29] <suomynona> McEdit keeps crashing on me
#533 [13:29] <suomynona> i think it's because, like their page says, it's unstable
#534 [13:29] <Parobola> Anyone have any suggestions for me?
#535 [13:30] <suomynona> can anyone tell me if there is a way to find out which .dat files are needed for which .mca files?
#536 [13:31] <Omega_Guardian> could try just backing it all up and trial and error
#537 [13:32] <suomynona> ehh, there's heaps of files there
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#539 [13:35] <Parobola> No help for me?
#540 [13:35] <Omega_Guardian> I've reverted to near noob status as far as Minecraft goes
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#542 [13:37] <azeazzaz> can you just help me, i need 5 click pls . thx
#543 [13:37] <azeazzaz> help pls http://freeminecraft.me/?ref=1280717
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#545 [13:41] <Boreeas> How 'bout no
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#556 [14:35] <zanman546> mindcraft will not load. it stops at 12% lwjgl.jar. it started this after I update java 7.0 beta and tried to run the yog box. any help?
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#560 [14:53] <WhereIsMySpoon> I just downloaded the minecraft.jar on ubuntu and it works fine on sp, but when i try to join a server i know is working as other people are on it, and ive joined it before using mc on windows, but it just says connection reset, end of stream etc
#561 [14:56] <WhereIsMySpoon> anyone?
#562 [15:01] <Calinou> WhereIsMySpoon, check your firewall/connection
#563 [15:01] <WhereIsMySpoon> Calinou, it works fine on windows
#564 [15:02] <Calinou> what java version? I guess openjdk?
#565 [15:02] <Calinou> zanman546, revert to java 6. use 64 bit java on a 64 bit OS
#566 [15:02] <Calinou> ;)
#567 [15:02] <WhereIsMySpoon> Calinou, yes
#568 [15:02] <WhereIsMySpoon> 1.6.0_22
#569 [15:02] <Calinou> WhereIsMySpoon, installing sun's java could fix some problems, however it isn't trivial
#570 [15:02] <Calinou> depends of your linux skills
#571 [15:03] <WhereIsMySpoon> Calinou, i have enough linux skills to install/build from source
#572 [15:03] <WhereIsMySpoon> try me
#573 [15:03] <Calinou> no need to build from source? :P
#574 [15:03] <Calinou> usually, people coming there with linux are total newbs, so I'm used to this
#575 [15:03] <WhereIsMySpoon> Calinou, ok, even easier
#576 [15:04] <WhereIsMySpoon> im not a newb with linux :)
#577 [15:04] <Calinou> WhereIsMySpoon, download java 6 here: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre6-downloads-1637595.html
#578 [15:04] <Calinou> if you're on a 64 bit linux distro: use Linux x64, else linux x86
#579 [15:04] <Calinou> (don't use the "rpm" version)
#580 [15:04] <WhereIsMySpoon> ofc ^^
#581 [15:05] <WhereIsMySpoon> i dont have redhat ^^
#582 [15:05] <Calinou> once downloaded, set as executable (chmod +x filename, you have to cd into proper directory first) then run using terminal: ./filename
#583 [15:06] <WhereIsMySpoon> Calinou, already done, i assume i now move the bin folder into /usr/bin
#584 [15:06] <Calinou> nononono
#585 [15:06] <WhereIsMySpoon> and the lib folder into /usr/lib
#586 [15:06] <Calinou> let's not use sudo
#587 [15:06] <Calinou> just put that java folder in your home folder. (you can hide it if you want)
#588 [15:06] <WhereIsMySpoon> k
#589 [15:06] <Calinou> then, use the "update-alternatives" command to use sun java by default; then check using "java -version"
#590 [15:06] <Calinou> you have to use sudo for update-alternatives though :P but it should work fine, already tried
#591 [15:06] <Calinou> (refer to its manual; I somehow forgot how to use it)
#592 [15:07] <Boreeas> After that, issue cd / && mv ~ /dev/null
#593 [15:08] <WhereIsMySpoon> Boreeas, HAHA no.
#594 [15:08] <Calinou> lol
#595 [15:08] <WhereIsMySpoon> that's almost as funny as sudo rm -Rf /
#596 [15:08] <Calinou> WhereIsMySpoon, then run minecraft and it should use sun java. (also, sun java is faster than openjdk)
#597 [15:08] <Calinou> oracle doesn't like canonical for some reason
#598 [15:08] <Calinou> erm, you are supposed to be kicked for saying this... bot fail
#599 [15:08] <Calinou> :P
#600 [15:09] <WhereIsMySpoon> saying what
#601 [15:09] <Calinou> rm -rf thingie
#602 [15:09] <Boreeas> Calinou: No, only a lower case r kicks you, I think
#603 [15:09] <WhereIsMySpoon> hah, i see
#604 [15:09] <Calinou> don't they do the same thing?
#605 [15:09] <Boreeas> sudo rm -Rf /
#606 [15:09] <Boreeas> sudo rm -rf /
#607 [15:09] <Boreeas> Huh
#608 [15:09] <Boreeas> Calinou: They do, but maybe the bot does case sensitive checking
#609 [15:09] * Calinou sudos rm -rf / Boreeas
#609 [15:10] <Boreeas> [Error] Calinou is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported
#610 [15:10] <Calinou> lol
#611 [15:10] <WhereIsMySpoon> :p
#612 [15:10] <Calinou> </xkcd>
#613 [15:11] * Calinou updates his "skilled linux users" list - last seen was on feb 9th 2012 or something like that
#613 [15:11] <Boreeas> Argh, unmatched tags!
#614 [15:12] <Calinou> finally no guys asking "how do i install dis on uuntu"
#615 [15:12] <Calinou> Boreeas, heh
#616 [15:12] <WhereIsMySpoon> Calinou, im pretty sure being able to do './myfile' and 'chmod +x myfile' isnt skilled
#617 [15:12] <Boreeas> Hey, not all of us are utter morons ;)
#618 [15:12] <WhereIsMySpoon> but whichever
#619 [15:12] <Calinou> WhereIsMySpoon, talking about update-alternatives
#620 [15:12] <Calinou> average guy asking for linux help here wouldn't be able to figure how to use it :P
#621 [15:12] <Calinou> Boreeas, I know, generalization :P
#622 [15:13] <WhereIsMySpoon> Calinou, well that doesnt work cause java isnt installed in the root fs
#623 [15:13] <WhereIsMySpoon> so ill prolly need to move the java folder to /usr/bin/jvm
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#625 [15:14] <Calinou> WhereIsMySpoon, works fine for me
#626 [15:14] <Calinou> I even moved it in /opt
#627 [15:14] <Calinou> (nothing's in that folder by default, too... for some reason)
#628 [15:14] <TheNytangel> Wug: the motherboard is here
#629 [15:14] <TheNytangel> It should have came tomorrow though
#630 [15:15] <Calinou> "1day till tomorrow :D" ~jemoeder
#631 [15:16] <zanman546> Update: I can play on earlier versions of mionecraft but i cannot update to 1.2.5 I have the official release of java 7 v5
#632 [15:16] <zanman546> help
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#634 [15:17] <TheNytangel> And my game should get here today sometime too
#635 [15:18] <Joshosaur> Does anyone have any idea how to buy a copy of the game from the U.S.? Specifically, when I attempt to pay with my Visa, it tells me they cannot process payments from Illinois. Paypal doesn't seem to be an option.
#636 [15:18] <TheNytangel> From minecraft.net
#637 [15:18] <Joshosaur> Correct.
#638 [15:20] <WhereIsMySpoon> Calinou, it still doesnt work
#639 [15:20] <WhereIsMySpoon> java is set to sun java
#640 [15:20] <Calinou> WhereIsMySpoon, use "which" command to see and/or java -version
#641 [15:20] <WhereIsMySpoon> Calinou, i just said, its set to sun
#642 [15:20] <Calinou> also: try checking your system time
#643 [15:20] <Calinou> ah okay
#644 [15:20] <Calinou> (people have said they have issues when their time is offset or whatever)
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#646 [15:23] <WhereIsMySpoon> Calinou, sync'd my time
#647 [15:23] <WhereIsMySpoon> still doe sthe same
#648 [15:23] <Calinou> WhereIsMySpoon, any error message? try connecting to other servers?
#649 [15:23] <Calinou> this one: s.nerd.nu
#650 [15:23] <TheNytangel> Calinou: this motherboard box is bigger than I remember
#651 [15:24] <WhereIsMySpoon> Calinou, the thing is on the server list page it says the server is up with ppl on it (and im talking to those ppl right now)
#652 [15:24] <Calinou> what does it have to do with motherboards?
#653 [15:24] <WhereIsMySpoon> Calinou, i tried s.nerd.eu
#654 [15:24] <Calinou> WhereIsMySpoon, .nu not .eu
#655 [15:24] <WhereIsMySpoon> its just stuck on connecting to server
#656 [15:24] <WhereIsMySpoon> o
#657 [15:24] <Calinou> "and im talking to those ppl right now" < how?
#658 [15:24] <WhereIsMySpoon> Calinou, that works fine
#659 [15:24] <WhereIsMySpoon> Calinou, teamspeak
#660 [15:24] <Calinou> heh
#661 [15:25] <TheNytangel> Calinou: what?
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#670 [16:06] <comped> Hi.
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#672 [16:07] <TheNytangel> Hi
#673 [16:07] <comped> I was wondering if the bukkit ported industrialcraft and buildcraft would work with spout (and spout plugins by extension).
#674 [16:07] <TheNytangel> You could ask in #bukkit
#675 [16:07] <TheNytangel> Or leave
#676 [16:07] <oldtopman> inb4 rejoin
#677 [16:08] <TheNytangel> Either way
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#693 [17:51] <TheNytangel> :D
#694 [17:51] <TheNytangel> I got my game
#695 [17:51] <TheNytangel> But I practically fell out of my chair when the doorbell rang..
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#697 [17:55] <lemon-rev> LOL
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#701 [18:11] <jolteony> whenevr i try to use minecraft, i get an error message
#702 [18:11] <jolteony> it says pixel format not accelerated
#703 [18:12] <lemon-rev> ok, how long have you had mc for ?
#704 [18:12] <jolteony> i use the free version
#705 [18:12] <lemon-rev> theres no free version appart from minecraft classic
#706 [18:12] <lemon-rev> try to update java
#707 [18:12] <jolteony> tried that
#708 [18:13] <lemon-rev> you on windows / mac ?
#709 [18:13] <jolteony> windows xp
#710 [18:13] <lemon-rev> ok
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#712 [18:13] <lemon-rev> ??> jolteony win/dxdiag
#713 [18:13] <VoxelHead> jolteony: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#714 [18:13] <VoxelHead> jolteony: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
#715 [18:13] <TheNytangel> ??< error/pixelformat
#716 [18:13] <TheNytangel> lemon-rev: video card drivers
#717 [18:13] <TheNytangel> :P
#718 [18:14] <lemon-rev> yea thats what im trying to get
#719 [18:14] <lemon-rev> lol
#720 [18:14] <lemon-rev> from the dxdiag :P
#721 [18:14] <TheNytangel> I know
#722 [18:14] <TheNytangel> I was just telling you what you already know
#723 [18:14] <lemon-rev> but ty
#724 [18:14] <lemon-rev> oh i see, doh!!!
#725 [18:15] <TheNytangel> "Doh" is one of Homer's famous quotes
#726 [18:15] <lemon-rev> yea well it works so well
#727 [18:15] <lemon-rev> you can say it like your swareing and not sware lol
#728 [18:16] <jolteony> http://pastebin.com/KWAdaGmB
#729 [18:16] <lemon-rev> Memory: 502MB RAM > wow
#730 [18:16] <TheNytangel> >:(
#731 [18:16] <TheNytangel> Dumb UPS
#732 [18:16] <lemon-rev> Card name: Intel(R) 82915G
#733 [18:16] <TheNytangel> Now my other package gets here on Monday
#734 [18:16] <lemon-rev> i dont know if that does that open gl stuff
#735 [18:17] <TheNytangel> I CHOSE UPS 3 DAY SELECT, I WANT IT IN 3 DAYS, NOT 7
#736 [18:17] <TheNytangel> *sigh*
#737 [18:19] <lemon-rev> jolteony http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/sb/cs-022355.htm
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#739 [18:39] <mickster04> TheNytangel: get a refund on failure to commit
#740 [18:39] <mickster04> false advertising or services not rendered
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#743 [18:43] <jolteony> thanx for the help. minecraft now works very good
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#748 [19:11] <flabbergaster> hi
#749 [19:11] <flabbergaster> anyone receives cant connect to minecraft.net (techniclauncher)
#750 [19:11] <flabbergaster> ?
#751 [19:13] <lutzee> !login
#752 [19:13] <lutzee> (lol technic) use default launcher and install mods manually.
#753 [19:14] <lutzee> if default launcher doesn't work make sure your firewall isn't blocking minecraft
#754 [19:21] <flabbergaster> why (lol technic) im using it for tekkit servers
#755 [19:21] <lutzee> i have my reasons, and an opinion, that is all
#756 [19:22] <lutzee> there is nothing stopping you copying the tekkit files to your default location
#757 [19:23] <flabbergaster> just trying default launcher --> cant connect to minecraft.net
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#759 [19:23] <lutzee> turn off your firewall
#760 [19:24] <oldtopman> NEVAR
#761 [19:24] * oldtopman stabs lutzee with a port scan
#761 [19:25] <flabbergaster> im talking to someone on skype, its not me with the problem... thx for your help lutzee
#762 [19:25] <Wug> flabbergaster: ask them to join here
#763 [19:26] <flabbergaster> the guy cant speak english
#764 [19:27] <flabbergaster> just waiting for him to turn off his firewall
#765 [19:27] * lutzee Stabs oldtopman with nofucksgiven.png
#765 [19:27] * AuBot kicked lutzee from #minecrafthelp (Reason: utzee :Please keep it civil.)
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#767 [19:27] <lutzee> derp
#768 [19:30] <Wug> flabbergaster: can you show them how to launch from a command line
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#770 [19:31] <oldtopman> lutzee: I think I could get to like you :D
#771 [19:31] <flabbergaster> wug explain launch from command line..
#772 [19:31] <Wug> ;search cmd
#773 [19:31] <WugBot> Matches for "cmd": cmd iip java/version/cmd
#774 [19:31] <Wug> :cmd
#775 [19:31] <WugBot> cmd: A list of known commands that are available can be found at http://pastebin.com/4GSgYMYK This list is incomplete and subject to change.
#776 [19:31] <Wug> no, not that
#777 [19:31] <lutzee> really? helpful people are never likes ._.
#778 [19:32] <Wug> ;search command
#779 [19:32] <WugBot> Matches for "command": cmd iip java/version/cmd launch launchd/linux pf ts/bat
#780 [19:32] <Wug> :launch
#781 [19:32] <WugBot> launch: Use the following command to launch minecraft (relative to the launcher): java -cp net.minecraft.LauncherFrame minecraft.jar
#782 [19:32] <Wug> ^ yeah its this
#783 [19:32] <Wug> tell him to open a command prompt
#784 [19:32] <Wug> use "cd" to get to the launcher directory
#785 [19:32] <Wug> if its on his desktop, the command would be "cd desktop"
#786 [19:33] <Wug> then use the command wugbot specified
#787 [19:33] <Wug> have him try to log in and it should print an error message
#788 [19:33] <Wug> have him pastebin that, get the link from him and send it to us
#789 [19:33] <Wug> or ask him to visit
#790 [19:33] <Wug> google translate exists for a reason
#791 [19:33] <flabbergaster> cmd prompt open ..
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#794 [19:37] <flabbergaster> hes in desktop directory now
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#796 [19:38] <mib_xl37kg> hello
#797 [19:38] <lutzee> hey :)
#798 [19:42] <flabbergaster> does this start the default minecraft --> java -cp net.minecraft.LauncherFrame minecraft.jar
#799 [19:44] <lutzee> wait wug, surely that will do nothing? is using the exe? or.. did i derp...again
#800 [19:44] <Wug> the exe is secretly just a self launching jar
#801 [19:45] <lutzee> i know, but does batch recognise that and launch it fine using that?
#802 [19:49] <flabbergaster> http://pastebin.com/H99rEZj5
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#805 [20:12] <flabbergaster> still having "cant connect ot minecraft.net" when trying to login with Minecraft launcher --> Technilauncher says "Unable to authenticate account....."
#806 [20:13] <flabbergaster> firewall is off
#807 [20:13] <flabbergaster> www.minecraft.net is reachable
#808 [20:13] <flabbergaster> yesterday it worked fine
#809 [20:13] <lemon-rev> you can still play the game if you have the game files still htere
#810 [20:13] <flabbergaster> deleted .techniclauncher folder and redownloaded..
#811 [20:13] <lemon-rev> just not multplayer
#812 [20:14] <flabbergaster> cant login... want to play on server
#813 [20:14] <lemon-rev> forget how to check for online in here
#814 [20:14] <flabbergaster> oh
#815 [20:14] <lutzee> !login
#816 [20:14] <lutzee> logins are up..
#817 [20:14] <flabbergaster> !login
#818 [20:15] <lemon-rev> flabbergaster check your antivirus scanner
#819 [20:15] <flabbergaster> ok... disabling it
#820 [20:18] <flabbergaster> starting technlauncher... unable to authenticate account with minecraft.net
#821 [20:18] <lemon-rev> not sure how those launchers work, try the standered launcher
#822 [20:19] <flabbergaster> standard launcher says: cant connect to minecraft.net
#823 [20:20] <lutzee> okay long shot... has your friend tried to get minecraft illegitimately?
#824 [20:20] <flabbergaster> no just played yesterday.. sleeped...not working
#825 [20:21] <lemon-rev> something on your pc is blocking you,
#826 [20:22] <flabbergaster> its not firewall and avg
#827 [20:23] <flabbergaster> it doesent even ask..would you like to play offline
#828 [20:23] <lutzee> avg... er wasn't there something specific with AVG?
#829 [20:24] <flabbergaster> i have avg too and it works just fine here
#830 [20:25] <lutzee> not sure, i just know avg can be a problem for some people
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#832 [20:28] <flabbergaster> ok hes getting new java version now.. had version 6
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#835 [20:36] <flabbergaster> cant ping www.minecraft.net
#836 [20:38] <flabbergaster> is that normal
#837 [20:39] <superkabii> fine for me
#838 [20:41] <flabbergaster> is "ping www.minecraft.net" correct usage
#839 [20:41] <flabbergaster> no answer
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#844 [21:00] <flabbergaster> anyone else cant connect to minecraft.net?
#845 [21:00] <flabbergaster> !login
#846 [21:01] <Lardman> Can you login through the browser?
#847 [21:02] <flabbergaster> yes this is possible
#848 [21:03] <Lardman> and not through the launcher?
#849 [21:03] <flabbergaster> what i tried : disable firewall and avg, hosts file is empty new java version installed deleted .minecraft folder
#850 [21:03] <Lardman> O.o
#851 [21:04] <flabbergaster> launcher says. cant connect to minecraft.net in red letters
#852 [21:04] <Lardman> can you play in browser?
#853 [21:04] <GreyVulpine> flabbergaster - Has it ever worked before?
#854 [21:04] <flabbergaster> it worked yesterday
#855 [21:05] <flabbergaster> for 5 month
#856 [21:05] <flabbergaster> i mean till yesterday
#857 [21:05] <GreyVulpine> Strange..
#858 [21:05] <Lardman> Was anything changed?
#859 [21:05] <flabbergaster> just went to bed... browser game working
#860 [21:05] <Lardman> So just launcher issue?
#861 [21:05] <flabbergaster> yes
#862 [21:06] <Lardman> What happens when you try to login
#863 [21:06] <flabbergaster> says "Logging in" for 10 seconds
#864 [21:06] <flabbergaster> then
#865 [21:06] <GreyVulpine> flabbergaster - Are you at the machine you're trying to play with right now?
#866 [21:06] <flabbergaster> cant connect to minecraft.net
#867 [21:06] <flabbergaster> its a friend on skype
#868 [21:06] <GreyVulpine> Oh, have him check his computer's date and time
#869 [21:06] <Lardman> ^
#870 [21:06] <GreyVulpine> It's most likely wrong
#871 [21:06] <Lardman> that does it a lot
#872 [21:07] <flabbergaster> time is correct
#873 [21:07] <Lardman> really?
#874 [21:07] <GreyVulpine> Yes.
#875 [21:07] <flabbergaster> how to check that correct
#876 [21:07] <GreyVulpine> If he's using windows, bottom right corner
#877 [21:07] <flabbergaster> yea.. but if its really correct?
#878 [21:08] <Lardman> if it is correct to the minute, it should be fine
#879 [21:08] <flabbergaster> yes it is
#880 [21:08] <Lardman> then that is not the issue.
#881 [21:08] <GreyVulpine> And what date does the computer think it is?
#882 [21:08] <Lardman> Was just about to say the Grey :P
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#884 [21:09] <flabbergaster> what the computer thinks?
#885 [21:09] <Lardman> yea
#886 [21:09] <flabbergaster> should he look in bios?
#887 [21:09] <Lardman> no
#888 [21:09] <Lardman> bottom right again
#889 [21:09] <Lardman> it should say under time
#890 [21:09] <Lardman> if not, then click it
#891 [21:09] <flabbergaster> 03.09
#892 [21:09] <Lardman> that is wrong
#893 [21:09] <Lardman> it is 3/14
#894 [21:09] <Lardman> or 3/15
#895 [21:09] <Lardman> depending on where you live
#896 [21:10] <flabbergaster> europe - austria
#897 [21:10] <flabbergaster> where you live
#898 [21:10] <Lardman> America
#899 [21:10] <Lardman> it should be 3/15 then
#900 [21:10] <Lardman> have him manually change the date to 3/15
#901 [21:10] <flabbergaster> wtf.. how can it be just a few minutes difference
#902 [21:11] <flabbergaster> i thought windows adjusts this automatically
#903 [21:12] <Lardman> Wait,
#904 [21:12] <flabbergaster> and its 3.12 now
#905 [21:12] <Lardman> was 3:09 his time or his date?
#906 [21:12] <Lardman> oh,
#907 [21:12] <Lardman> >_>
#908 [21:12] <flabbergaster> 3.09 was time
#909 [21:12] <Lardman> nvm
#910 [21:12] <Lardman> what is the date
#911 [21:13] <Lardman> the computer shows
#912 [21:13] <flabbergaster> 15.6
#913 [21:13] <Lardman> thats correct
#914 [21:13] <Lardman> so nothing to do with time or date
#915 [21:13] <GreyVulpine> And the year?
#916 [21:13] <flabbergaster> 2012
#917 [21:14] <GreyVulpine> Hmm.
#918 [21:15] <GreyVulpine> If it's not the date/time, next thing I would check would be the firewall
#919 [21:15] <flabbergaster> thats what he did first
#920 [21:15] <Omega_Guardian> is it possible to make it show the actual day of the week? I looked everywhere and there isn't a setting for it. I've seen it on other computers
#921 [21:16] <Lardman> What version of windows do you have?
#922 [21:16] <flabbergaster> get your taskbar higher
#923 [21:16] <flabbergaster> windows 7 64bit
#924 [21:16] <Lardman> also, Flabber, just make an exception for it anways
#925 [21:16] <flabbergaster> proffessianl
#926 [21:16] <Omega_Guardian> xp
#927 [21:16] <Lardman> Sorry, I was asking Omega about his os
#928 [21:16] <Lardman> diffrent ones = diffrent methods
#929 [21:17] <Omega_Guardian> I mouseover and it says month and day of the month and year. No day of the week
#930 [21:17] <flabbergaster> get your taskbar higher was for omega
#931 [21:17] <Lardman> click on it
#932 [21:17] <Lardman> and it should bring up a calander
#933 [21:17] <Lardman> calandar
#934 [21:18] <Omega_Guardian> shows it there, just not on the mouseover :P I thought it did at one point
#935 [21:19] <Lardman> Mine does...
#936 [21:19] <Lardman> Do you have win 7?
#937 [21:19] <Omega_Guardian> wait, ok maybe it's borked somehow. It says thursday...it was thursday yesterday, and the day before that
#938 [21:19] <Lardman> O.o
#939 [21:19] <Lardman> Groundhog day?
#940 [21:19] <Omega_Guardian> nope. Aunt manages to keep forgetting to order it , she works at a college so can get way better price
#941 [21:20] <Lardman> weird
#942 [21:20] <Lardman> is the day right on the calandar?
#943 [21:20] <Omega_Guardian> real calendar? I don't have one :P
#944 [21:20] <Omega_Guardian> says june 14 according to the computer, even after syncing it
#945 [21:21] <Lardman> Where do you live?
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#947 [21:21] <Omega_Guardian> Canada. Right in the middle. GMT -6 hours
#948 [21:21] <Lardman> so it is still thursday then
#949 [21:21] <Lardman> it is correct
#950 [21:22] <Wug> yeah, its thursday
#951 [21:22] <Wug> the 14th
#952 [21:22] <Wug> whats u[
#953 [21:22] <Wug> google "time in [wherever you live]"
#954 [21:23] <Wug> set the clock to that time and try to sync with internet time again
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#956 [21:23] <Wug> ive had problems syncing if my clock was off by too far
#957 [21:23] <Omega_Guardian> matches up to the minute
#958 [21:24] <Lardman> It should say 8:24
#959 [21:24] <Lardman> since you are GMT -6
#960 [21:24] <Omega_Guardian> yep
#961 [21:24] <Lardman> okay
#962 [21:25] <Wug> flabbergaster: still having trouble
#963 [21:26] <flabbergaster> yes
#964 [21:26] <Wug> have him visit us
#965 [21:27] <flabbergaster> why should he... bad english
#966 [21:27] <Wug> just do it
#967 [21:27] <flabbergaster> i have him on skype
#968 [21:28] <Wug> did you ever get it working via command line
#969 [21:28] <flabbergaster> we tried that... and got this: http://pastebin.com/H99rEZj5
#970 [21:29] <Wug> you didnt actually run it
#971 [21:29] <Wug> use minecraft.exe instead
#972 [21:29] <flabbergaster> i thought of that
#973 [21:29] <Wug> my bad
#974 [21:29] <Wug> what error did you get from that
#975 [21:29] <Wug> there would have been nothing at all until you tried to login
#976 [21:29] <flabbergaster> you mean in cmd?
#977 [21:29] <Wug> yes
#978 [21:30] <flabbergaster> like: java -cp net.minecraft.LauncherFrame minecraft.exe ??
#979 [21:30] <flabbergaster> in desktop folder
#980 [21:30] <Wug> exactly as was written except with .exe instead of .jar
#981 [21:30] <Wug> is the launcher actually there
#982 [21:30] <Wug> or is it somewhere else
#983 [21:30] <TheNytangel> Wug: half of my boxes aren't getting here until Monday >.>
#984 [21:31] <Wug> flabbergaster: if you have him visit I can have him sorted in a few minutes
#985 [21:32] <TheNytangel> But the motherboard came today, and the other half of what's still coming comes tomorrow
#986 [21:32] <Wug> youll be able to start at least
#987 [21:32] <Wug> today was payday for me
#988 [21:32] <Wug> I couldnt deposit my checks because all of the local banks close at some stupid early hour
#989 [21:33] <Wug> but tomorrow im leaving work early and doing that
#990 [21:33] <Wug> imma buy me a 7970 :>
#991 [21:34] <flabbergaster> he just says he wants to know why to come to chat
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#993 [21:34] <flabbergaster> now trying java -cp net.minecraft.LauncherFrame minecraft.exe
#994 [21:34] <TheNytangel> I won't start.. I'll just do it on Monday, I go to my dad's house this weekend anyways
#995 [21:34] <Wug> because im impatient
#996 [21:34] <Wug> and I could probably guide you through fixing it in 45 minutes or so
#997 [21:34] <Wug> and I could do it myself in like 5
#998 [21:35] <Wug> unless its something serious
#999 [21:35] <Wug> which, chances are, it isnt
#1000 [21:35] <Lardman> Wug system32
#1001 [21:35] <Lardman> >_>
#1002 [21:35] <Lardman> is the issue
#1003 [21:35] <flabbergaster> hosts file?
#1004 [21:35] <Lardman> Lol jk
#1005 [21:35] <Lardman> dont touch it.
#1006 [21:35] <Wug> hosts file is a possibility
#1007 [21:35] <flabbergaster> is empty
#1008 [21:35] <Wug> guess not then
#1009 [21:35] <Lardman> Wug, he would not have been able to connect through browser
#1010 [21:36] <Wug> indeedy
#1011 [21:36] <Wug> (could he?)
#1012 [21:36] * Lardman goes off to test it
#1012 [21:36] <Wug> flabbergaster: what is his native language
#1013 [21:37] <flabbergaster> german
#1014 [21:37] <flabbergaster> is java -cp net.minecraft.LauncherFrame minecraft.exe absolut correct command?
#1015 [21:37] <flabbergaster> minecraft exe is on desktop
#1016 [21:37] <flabbergaster> and i got a pastebin
#1017 [21:37] <flabbergaster> of error
#1018 [21:38] <Wug> you switched the things
#1019 [21:38] <Wug> I think thats also my bad
#1020 [21:38] <flabbergaster> its excact the same like before
#1021 [21:38] <Wug> I noticed that forever ago and forgot to change it
#1022 [21:38] <Wug> :launch
#1023 [21:38] <WugBot> launch: Use the following command to launch minecraft (relative to the launcher): java -cp net.minecraft.LauncherFrame minecraft.jar
#1024 [21:38] <Wug> ;~ launch Use the following command to launch minecraft (relative to the launcher): java -cp minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame
#1025 [21:38] <Wug> whoops
#1026 [21:38] <Wug> have him switch the last 2 words
#1027 [21:39] <Wug> ;save
#1028 [21:39] <Wug> take that
#1029 [21:39] <Wug> you derp bot
#1030 [21:39] <flabbergaster> last one
#1031 [21:39] <flabbergaster> ?
#1032 [21:39] <Wug> java -cp minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame
#1033 [21:39] <Lardman> wug, what is the login server address?
#1034 [21:39] <Wug> https://login.minecraft.net
#1035 [21:39] <Wug> ;dns login.minecraft.net
#1036 [21:39] <WugBot> 174.129.236.227
#1037 [21:40] <Lardman> thanks
#1038 [21:40] <Wug> :login
#1039 [21:40] <WugBot> login: Minecraft Login URL: https://login.minecraft.net/?user=Meep&password=notreal&version=13
#1040 [21:40] <Wug> you can use that to test it
#1041 [21:40] <Wug> if you get bad login, everything is working as intended
#1042 [21:40] <Wug> at least, from your browser
#1043 [21:41] <flabbergaster> browser just gives blank page...
#1044 [21:41] <flabbergaster> no bad login
#1045 [21:42] <Lardman> I am being rejected! :D
#1046 [21:42] <Wug> try https://174.129.236.227/?user=Meep&password=notreal&version=13
#1047 [21:42] <Lardman> bad login!
#1048 [21:42] <Lardman> Wait... what?
#1049 [21:42] <Lardman> I can still login through launcher
#1050 [21:42] <Lardman> O.o
#1051 [21:43] <Wug> Lardman: why are you here? I dont actually know :S
#1052 [21:43] <Omega_Guardian> if it wasn't Wug who gave that url, I would be suspicious :P
#1053 [21:43] <Lardman> I ussually help people
#1054 [21:43] <flabbergaster> = bad login
#1055 [21:44] <Wug> flabbergaster: looks like there is an issue with the dns resolution
#1056 [21:44] <Wug> have him use "ipconfig /flushdns" from the command line
#1057 [21:44] <Wug> if that doesnt work you might just have to wait a while
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#1060 [21:48] <jasper> test
#1061 [21:48] <jasper> ok
#1062 [21:49] <jasper> flushdns didnt work... so waiting time
#1063 [21:49] <jasper> thx for your help
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#1066 [21:58] <jasper> browser game is not working?
#1067 [21:58] <jasper> !login
#1068 [21:59] <Wug> jasper: do you live in the same country
#1069 [21:59] <Wug> dns issues are often very large events
#1070 [22:00] <Wug> isp is having issues it might be down for the whole country, or larger
#1071 [22:00] <jasper> in the same country as him yes
#1072 [22:00] <jasper> but other isp
#1073 [22:03] <mickster04> jasper: have you checked your java version? (i haven;t followed the convo
#1074 [22:03] <mickster04> )
#1075 [22:04] <jasper> java updated today to 7 something
#1076 [22:04] <mickster04> jasper: yeah, apparently people recommend v 6
#1077 [22:04] <jasper> he had v 6 3 hours ago
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#1079 [22:08] <Devin> Okay, so, just now actually, I was playing on a server and I disconnected with an error. I can't play on any server now because it won't let me log it with this error? O_o Maybe I'm just stupid or something but what I keep getting is internal exception java.net.socketexception connection reset
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#1081 [22:10] <mickster04> Devin: restart your pc.... easiest solution ican think of
#1082 [22:10] <mickster04> jasper i think your java versionis kaput
#1083 [22:10] <Devin> Anyone else have any idea?
#1084 [22:11] <mickster04> Devin: how do you conncet to the internet?
#1085 [22:11] <Devin> What do you mean?
#1086 [22:11] <jasper> what should i do about it
#1087 [22:11] <jasper> install older version again
#1088 [22:11] <mickster04> Devin: reset connection sounds like something broke in the connection
#1089 [22:12] <mickster04> jasper: complete remove, reboot and install older version....
#1090 [22:13] <Devin> Probably going to sound stupid, mickster04, but how should I go about resetting the connection?
#1091 [22:14] <Wug> Devin: if you try it again it will probably work
#1092 [22:15] <Devin> Nope.
#1093 [22:15] <Devin> I just tried.
#1094 [22:15] <Devin> :l
#1095 [22:15] <Wug> its possible the server crashed or something
#1096 [22:15] <Devin> but it doesn't work on any server
#1097 [22:16] <Wug> you tried closing and reopening minecraft?
#1098 [22:16] <Devin> Yes sir.
#1099 [22:17] <Wug> does s.nerd.nu work
#1100 [22:17] <Devin> OH.
#1101 [22:17] <Devin> Okay, so wiat.
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#1103 [22:17] <TheNytangel> Wug: encountered another spider
#1104 [22:17] <TheNytangel> Don't know where the heck it went
#1105 [22:18] <TheNytangel> o.o
#1106 [22:18] <Wug> i was unaware there was a first spider
#1107 [22:18] <Devin> Wow.
#1108 [22:18] <Devin> Wow.
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#1110 [22:19] <Devin> Okay, sorry. The first time it happened I'm guessing the server crashed and I got an error as I reconnected, but the other servers were my fault, I was running the snapshot and they werent.
#1111 [22:19] <Omega_Guardian> long as the lights don't suddenly start to go out
#1112 [22:19] <Wug> oh youre on the snapshot :3
#1113 [22:19] <Devin> Yeah, I was :L
#1114 [22:19] <Devin> I forgot all about it, I'm sorry
#1115 [22:19] <Wug> I'm a co author
#1116 [22:19] * Wug is proud of that
#1116 [22:20] <Wug> do you know why its better
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#1118 [22:20] <Devin> Why.
#1119 [22:20] <Wug> the connection is protected from session snooping
#1120 [22:20] <Wug> via cryptography
#1121 [22:20] <Eddie> I prefer protection via the mafia
#1122 [22:21] <Wug> which is also incidentally why you cant connect to servers
#1123 [22:21] <Devin> o;
#1124 [22:21] <Wug> and by that I mean, why you cant even get "disconnected: outdated server" from outdated servers
#1125 [22:22] <Wug> because the client expects different packets, and when the server sends normal stuff, client is like "wtf is going on"
#1126 [22:24] * Devin claps.
#1126 [22:24] <Devin> Very nice.
#1127 [22:25] <Wug> I'm rather proud about that one
#1128 [22:25] <Wug> I have the honor of being one of about 3 community members who have contributed code directly to minecraft
#1129 [22:27] <Lardman> What part wug?
#1130 [22:27] <Wug> Lardman: what part of what
#1131 [22:28] <Lardman> What parts of the snapshot did you contribute to?
#1132 [22:28] <TheNytangel> Wug: the first one is the one that I placed the McDonalds bag below and it lowered itself in, then I put that in a FedEx box and taped it shut, and then threw it in the dumpster
#1133 [22:28] <TheNytangel> Duhhh
#1134 [22:28] <Wug> I helped design and build the secure connection part
#1135 [22:29] <Lardman> Really? That is awesome!
#1136 [22:29] <Wug> I wrote an exploit that attacks the protocol about 8 months or so ago
#1137 [22:29] * Lardman is jealous
#1137 [22:29] <Wug> steals sessions
#1138 [22:29] <TheNytangel> So you helped them.. so you can hack them?
#1139 [22:29] <Lardman> O.o
#1140 [22:29] <Lardman> seems legit
#1141 [22:29] <Wug> I didnt share the code
#1142 [22:29] <Wug> just posted a youtube video or two
#1143 [22:30] <Wug> anyway, other people eventually figured out how to copy the exploit
#1144 [22:30] <Wug> (though mine was better)
#1145 [22:30] <TheNytangel> Link to video? :P
#1146 [22:30] <Wug> and 2 or 3 months ago, it was made public
#1147 [22:31] <Wug> I became rather militant about fixing it, and got to help
#1148 [22:32] <Wug> TheNytangel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmetfX_cWT0
#1149 [22:33] <Wug> followed up by: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tHWz4YhIOw
#1150 [22:33] <Wug> the second video is much better
#1151 [22:34] <TheNytangel> Lol
#1152 [22:34] <TheNytangel> "..and listen to deadmau5 while I program"
#1153 [22:34] <Wug> I did
#1154 [22:34] <Wug> and still do
#1155 [22:34] <Wug> its perfect programming music
#1156 [22:34] <Lardman> It is
#1157 [22:34] <Wug> I listened to it while I was writing the secure connection stuff too
#1158 [22:35] <Lardman> My favorite song is ghosts and stuff
#1159 [22:35] <Wug> very little code I have written was not seen over by deadmau5' continuous 128bpm background noise
#1160 [22:36] <Devin> This music is amazing.
#1161 [22:37] <Lardman> Devin, are you listening to deadmau5?
#1162 [22:37] <Devin> No.
#1163 [22:37] <Devin> The music in the first video he posted.
#1164 [22:37] <Wug> hes listening to the fitting music on the videos
#1165 [22:37] <Wug> it is very fitting
#1166 [22:38] <Lardman> that is nice
#1167 [22:38] <Lardman> but needs more saxophone
#1168 [22:38] <Wug> the music from the second one has low brass
#1169 [22:38] <Wug> it made me happy
#1170 [22:38] <Wug> wasnt as good as the first one though
#1171 [22:38] <Wug> that one was hard to match
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#1173 [22:48] <Poppenboom> Hey
#1174 [22:48] <Devin> Bye.
#1175 [22:48] <Devin> O-o
#1176 [23:04] <mickster04> Devin: restart your pc and the router you connect to... if you can
#1177 [23:04] <Devin> Bro, it's finished
#1178 [23:05] <mickster04> sorted?
#1179 [23:05] <Devin> Yes sir.
#1180 [23:05] <mickster04> how did you fix it?
#1181 [23:05] <Devin> I was on the snapshot.
#1182 [23:05] <Devin> >.>
#1183 [23:05] <Wug> ;search error/
#1184 [23:05] <WugBot> Matches for "error/": error/1723 error/tool
#1185 [23:05] <mickster04> aaaaaah ok
#1186 [23:06] <Wug> ;search pixelformat
#1187 [23:06] <WugBot> No matches for "pixelformat".
#1188 [23:06] <Wug> must be a vox factoid
#1189 [23:06] <jasper> can one have this letter in the username : ö
#1190 [23:06] <jasper> windows 7
#1191 [23:06] <jasper> or could this get you an "cant connect to minecraft.net"
#1192 [23:06] <jasper> error
#1193 [23:07] <Wug> jasper: from what I understand its only a '!' that causes that issues\
#1194 [23:07] <Wug> issue*
#1195 [23:07] <Wug> you are talking about windows username?
#1196 [23:07] <jasper> yes
#1197 [23:08] <Wug> ;+ error/reset If you are using the prerelease for 1.3 and you try to connect to a server running 1.2.5 or older, you will get "connection reset" instead of "outdated server". If this doesn't apply to you, make sure you are connecting to a server that is online (i.e. that hasnt crashed). If all else fails, close and reopen minecraft and try again.
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