#1 [00:00] <DiskDaemon> I'm now aware that you're trying to play the free browser version, yes.
#2 [00:00] <Blood_Mind> 1.7.0_05
#3 [00:00] <Blood_Mind> i just updated earlier today
#4 [00:00] <DiskDaemon> Which web browser are you using?
#5 [00:00] <Blood_Mind> Internet Explorer 9
#6 [00:01] <DiskDaemon> Well that is odd - I wish I could help with that particular issue
#7 [00:02] <Blood_Mind> hm?
#8 [00:02] <DiskDaemon> Shall we see if the Java consoel has anything to say?
#9 [00:02] <DiskDaemon> *console
#10 [00:02] <Blood_Mind> ok, how
#11 [00:03] <DiskDaemon> Go to your control panel, and search for Java, and in its Advanced tab open the Java console part and select show console, then press ok.
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#13 [00:04] <DiskDaemon> The console should appear whe you reload the web page
#14 [00:04] <Blood_Mind> ok
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#16 [00:05] <Blood_Mind> uh, where is it?
#17 [00:05] <DiskDaemon> where is what? the control panel, java, the console, or the web page?
#18 [00:06] <Blood_Mind> didnt you say that something would show when i refresh webpage?
#19 [00:06] <DiskDaemon> That is what should happen if java attempts to load on the page
#20 [00:06] <Blood_Mind> k
#21 [00:07] <Blood_Mind> k, it popped up
#22 [00:07] <Blood_Mind> the Java thing
#23 [00:07] <DiskDaemon> Oh hang on, the classic version seems to have trouble with Java 7. Try it with Java 6 instead, by removing 7 and installing 6 in its place./
#24 [00:07] <Blood_Mind> ok
#25 [00:07] <DiskDaemon> Paste what it has to say about things, at pastebin.com
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#27 [00:10] <T-Rog> alright me and my friend just finished up a Minecraft multiplayer on a bukkit server and I wanted to continue the game in single player so he sent me the Saves folder but when I load it up I spawn and I have my same inventory but there is basically nothing. No environment. and I'm in a 1x1 block and I die from crush damage. Solutions?
#28 [00:10] <DiskDaemon> Blood_Mind: There also seems to be a tricky technique that you can do, mentioned at http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1134063-minecraft-classic-black-screen-fix/
#29 [00:10] <DiskDaemon> Video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1XUkTAN0cE
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#31 [00:12] <Blood_Mind> http://pastebin.com/G2zQKquP
#32 [00:12] <DiskDaemon> Blood_Mind: I can confirm that Java 7 is solely responsible for causing your problem. Uninstall that and install Java 6 instead from http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre6-downloads-1637595.html
#33 [00:12] <Blood_Mind> ok
#34 [00:13] <DiskDaemon> Minecraft classic was created long before Java 7 existed, and doesn't know how to deal with some things there
#35 [00:13] <Blood_Mind> i already downloaded
#36 [00:14] <Blood_Mind> hey, is command the CTRL button?
#37 [00:14] <DiskDaemon> Blood_Mind: Also, go to %appdata%/.minecraft/ and delete everything that's there, so that a clean download can occur from the Classic page
#38 [00:14] <DiskDaemon> yes
#39 [00:15] <DiskDaemon> macs use the Cmd key, whereas windows uses the Ctrl key
#40 [00:15] <Blood_Mind> oh
#41 [00:15] <T-Rog> is there absolutely nothing that I can do?
#42 [00:15] <DiskDaemon> t-rog
#43 [00:16] <DiskDaemon> T-Rog: It might be possible to do something using MCEdit, but apart from that I don't think there is anything else that you can do
#44 [00:17] <T-Rog> DiskDaemon: Has this ever happened to you before?
#45 [00:17] <DiskDaemon> I don't use bukkit, so no.
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#47 [00:19] <T-Rog> here are the only additional details I can give you
#48 [00:20] <T-Rog> the terrain is the same as the last time the map was a single player game
#49 [00:21] <DiskDaemon> All the best with things then. I have to head off to do other things now
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#54 [00:55] <Blood_Mind> nothing worked, and i almost destroyed my computer using a kid's trick to get rid of black screen, but i dont care right now because im going to bed. good night.
#55 [00:55] <Blood_Mind> my back hurts
#56 [00:55] <Blood_Mind> my back hurts
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#78 [04:00] <CaptCody> this isn't about minecraft but
#79 [04:00] <CaptCody> how do I register a channel?
#80 [04:00] <CaptCody> Owait.
#81 [04:00] <CaptCody> Owait.
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#86 [04:13] <Gunslinger2> how do you stop creatures from spawning in a certain area?
#87 [04:14] <DiskDaemon> You remove the conditions (if possible) that allow them to spawn.
#88 [04:14] <DiskDaemon> With spiders for example, they require a 3x3 area on which to spawn.
#89 [04:15] <DiskDaemon> With most hostile mobs, they spawn at or below level 7 of light
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#91 [04:16] <Gunslinger2> well i got a huge building im building and mobs are spawning in it
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#93 [04:17] <DiskDaemon> Torches are level 14, glowstone and sunlight is light level 15. Light levels drop off by 1 every block away from it, so you need to ensure that no areas are at light level 7 or below
#94 [04:17] <DiskDaemon> Or in other words - light up dark areas
#95 [04:18] <DiskDaemon> Gunslinger2: Or you can play on the Peaceful difficulty, which prevents mobs from spawning.
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#97 [05:19] <Gunslinger2> light this thing up like a christmas tree and their still spawning inside
#98 [05:33] <DiskDaemon> The standard hostile mobs only spawn on blocks that have a light level of 7 or below
#99 [05:34] <Gunslinger2> had to turn my ceiling into a glowstone ceiling
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#101 [05:45] <razer09> hi i need help!
#102 [05:46] <DiskDaemon> how can we help?
#103 [05:46] <razer09> i have installed minecraft forge...
#104 [05:47] <razer09> when i start minecraft become i a loding screen and mc crashes
#105 [05:47] <DiskDaemon> ??mods
#106 [05:47] <DiskDaemon> ?? mods
#107 [05:47] <VoxelHead> mods: This channel is not a venue for mod support, or support for modded servers. As it is impossible for anybody to know every combination of mods out there, this channel does not assist with unofficial third-party modded content.
#108 [05:47] <VoxelHead> mods: For single player mods, contact the mod's creator or try http://tiny.cc/modinstall for general installation instructions. For bukkit help, use #bukkit; you can also try using Google to search for a mod's installation inst
#109 [05:47] <razer09> mhh
#110 [05:48] <DiskDaemon> The channel for Forge is #minecraftforge
#111 [05:48] <razer09> i have see it, thx
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#113 [06:15] <Gunslinger2> are the iron doors supposed to look wierd?
#114 [06:16] <Gunslinger2> the door does sit flush with iron bars...
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#116 [06:29] <NorseCraftMinecraftServer> Where can I find "My media"?
#117 [06:29] <razer09> wich media?
#118 [06:30] <NorseCraftMinecraftServer> "Your media Liberary" I'm trying to upload a picture
#119 [06:30] <razer09> C:\Users\Name\
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#125 [07:26] <fireking_zack> hi
#126 [07:26] <fireking_zack> can someone please help me
#127 [07:26] <Necrodoom> ask
#128 [07:27] <fireking_zack> bought the game, downloaded it.
#129 [07:27] <fireking_zack> when irune the minecraft launcher, i enter my user and pass but it automatically closes down
#130 [07:27] <fireking_zack> i run*
#131 [07:28] <Necrodoom> downloaded off www.minecraft.net?
#132 [07:28] <Necrodoom> downloaded off www.minecraft.net
#133 [07:28] <fireking_zack> yea
#134 [07:28] <Necrodoom> oops
#135 [07:28] <Necrodoom> fireking_zack: it closes right away, no errors?
#136 [07:29] <fireking_zack> when it closes a 'hs_err_pid' appears on my desctop
#137 [07:30] <Necrodoom> hm, i dont know how to help with that type of issue
#138 [07:30] <fireking_zack> is there a number i could call for support?
#139 [07:30] <Necrodoom> theres a way to send tickets to mojang
#140 [07:30] <Necrodoom> but they never get answered
#141 [07:31] <Necrodoom> so its useless
#142 [07:31] <fireking_zack> ok, is there a way to get my money back?
#143 [07:31] <Necrodoom> not as far as i know
#144 [07:31] <fireking_zack> :(
#145 [07:32] <Necrodoom> i suggest trying twitter, or waiting a bit for someone else here
#146 [07:32] <fireking_zack> ok, thank you soo much for your help :)
#147 [07:33] <DiskDaemon> There might be a solution - I'll see what I can find
#148 [07:33] <fireking_zack> thank you
#149 [07:34] <DiskDaemon> Where you have the launcher - are there any files that have hs_err_pid in their name?
#150 [07:36] <fireking_zack> i have the launher on my desktop, the hs_err_pid show up there
#151 [07:36] <DiskDaemon> Great, open the most recent one of those, copy the text, and paste it to pastebin.com so that we can take a look at it
#152 [07:38] <fireking_zack> ok, done
#153 [07:38] <DiskDaemon> What url is there after you press the Submit button?
#154 [07:38] <fireking_zack> http://pastebin.com/0PgXv2TP
#155 [07:39] <DiskDaemon> ??> fireking_zack win/dxdiag
#156 [07:39] <VoxelHead> fireking_zack: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#157 [07:39] <VoxelHead> fireking_zack: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
#158 [07:39] <DiskDaemon> Please follow the VoxelHead's insteuctions
#159 [07:43] <fireking_zack> http://pastebin.com/KgdThhyK
#160 [07:44] <DiskDaemon> Thanks, I'lls ee what I can find
#161 [07:44] <fireking_zack> thank you all soo much!
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#163 [07:46] <DiskDaemon> It looks like the video drivers for your computer may be out of date. Is your graphics chip built in to the motherboard of your computer?
#164 [07:47] <bcalkins17> Hello, will any map editor/generater from http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Programs_and_editors/Mapping#Map_Generators create a world that runs faster?
#165 [07:47] <DiskDaemon> If it is, the best place to get updated video drivers for it are from the motherboard website for your machine
#166 [07:47] <fireking_zack> ok, lemme just go ask if it is built in
#167 [07:47] <Necrodoom> bcalkins17: the less trees, the less caves, the better it will run
#168 [07:48] <DiskDaemon> bcalkins17: No. The only benefit gained from pre-rendering the world is that time spent generating terrain occurs outside of the game, while you're pre-rendering
#169 [07:48] <Necrodoom> bcalkins17: unless the map height is under 32
#170 [07:48] <bcalkins17> well the chunk updates loading are what slows my game down so would a pre-generated map help?
#171 [07:49] <DiskDaemon> Yes, it would help in that regard. The main difficult would be in determing what parts of the map you want to pre-render
#172 [07:50] <Necrodoom> DiskDaemon: though if the problem is lighting, it can be other things
#173 [07:51] <DiskDaemon> The main thing to do before trying to do something, is to perform enough research so that you are confident that your actions will have an impact on the actual problem that's occurring
#174 [07:51] <fireking_zack> the chip is built into the motherboard
#175 [07:52] <bcalkins17> ug im confused
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#177 [07:52] <bangster2318> anyone here?
#178 [07:52] <geraldbrent> Yes.
#179 [07:52] <bangster2318> ok
#180 [07:52] <bangster2318> so il ask my question then
#181 [07:52] <DiskDaemon> Okay, can you please run System Information (Start menu, search for System) and let me know the System Model that it shows there
#182 [07:53] <DiskDaemon> bangster2318: Yes, people are here ;)
#183 [07:54] <bangster2318> ok then lets do it,... on the server i play basically what happened was i mined some gold and then said finally gold(now 3 blocks before i mined this gold i mined some emeralds, the redpower version) and this guy behind me said he saw me mining emeralds when i said finally gold
#184 [07:54] <bangster2318> what causes this?
#185 [07:54] <fireking_zack> the system modal is...
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#187 [07:54] <fireking_zack> AWRDACPI
#188 [07:55] <bangster2318> basically if i dont find this out i have no evidence of me not not x-raying...
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#190 [07:55] <bangster2318> which i didnt lol..
#191 [07:55] <DiskDaemon> What other system info is there? System manufacturer, model, type
#192 [07:56] <bcalkins17_> Ok i have one last question if I made a limited sized map would that work?
#193 [07:56] <fireking_zack> http://pastebin.com/kCQqeG67
#194 [07:57] <bangster2318> im gussing no answeres to what my problem is :P
#195 [07:57] <DiskDaemon> Hrm, ther's not much info ther. What type of computer do you have? Do you have a make/model for it?
#196 [07:57] <DiskDaemon> bangster2318: None that we're aware of here, sorry
#197 [07:57] <fireking_zack> philips
#198 [07:57] <bangster2318> ok thanks daemon
#199 [07:58] <bcalkins17_> ?
#200 [07:58] <DiskDaemon> What sort of computer is it. A netbook, or a laptop, or something else?
#201 [07:58] <fireking_zack> desktop
#202 [07:59] <DiskDaemon> Is there a make/model number that can help to identify which type it is?
#203 [07:59] <fireking_zack> philips 190CW
#204 [08:00] <DiskDaemon> thank you
#205 [08:01] <DiskDaemon> fireking_zack: What seems to be the problem is that the your video card drivers don't know enough about how to control everything that's done for the graphics. Updating the video drivers should help with that. Those are what I'm looking for now
#206 [08:02] <fireking_zack> thanks soo much
#207 [08:02] <bangster2318> i dont even have a gpu and i can run mc o.0
#208 [08:02] <DiskDaemon> fireking_zack: Was it a purchase from Dell or somewhere like that?
#209 [08:03] <fireking_zack> the computer?
#210 [08:03] <DiskDaemon> indeed
#211 [08:03] <bangster2318> well daemon do you think its possible that i was lagging in the movements and all that but not lagging in the chat?
#212 [08:03] <fireking_zack> we got it 2nd hand and dont think it was dell
#213 [08:05] <DiskDaemon> The 190cw seems to be a notebook - does that sound right?
#214 [08:06] <fireking_zack> probably, i dont know much about computers lol
#215 [08:06] <fireking_zack> i think it is
#216 [08:08] <DiskDaemon> fireking_zack: The 190cw is the monitor, which has nothing to do with what type of computer you have. On to checking other things
#217 [08:08] <fireking_zack> oh, sorry :(
#218 [08:10] <DiskDaemon> The big box that the monitor plugs in to, does that have any identifying information that can help?
#219 [08:11] <DiskDaemon> You see, the driver for your graphics card comes from 11/10/2005 which is a very long time ago. I'm looking to update that to something that fixes the problem you currently experience
#220 [08:11] <fireking_zack> windows2000 profesional 1-2cpu oem product
#221 [08:12] <fireking_zack> idk if that the proper info
#222 [08:12] <DiskDaemon> Ahh, I can use this from the system information to help track things down - "PCI\VEN_1039&DEV_6325&SUBSYS_00581462&REV_00"
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#225 [08:15] <DiskDaemon> fireking_zack: It seems that the latest driver for your graphics card can be found at http://www.toggle.com/lv/group/view/kl40092/Driver_SiS_650_740.htm
#226 [08:16] <fireking_zack> thanks, do i click on Download [Windows 98/ME]
#227 [08:16] <DiskDaemon> No, click on the big green button that says Free Download
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#230 [08:17] <fireking_zack> thanks, its installing now
#231 [08:18] <fireking_zack> ok, its done
#232 [08:19] <DiskDaemon> When it's finished, restart the computer the let the update do everything it needs to do, and we'll see if that helps in any way for you
#233 [08:19] <fireking_zack> thanks soo much!
#234 [08:20] <fireking_zack> brb, restarting comp now
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#236 [08:24] <fireking_zack> heey
#237 [08:24] <DiskDaemon> hi, any better luck this time?
#238 [08:25] <fireking_zack> no, still closes down automatically
#239 [08:25] <DiskDaemon> Can you delete the hs_err_pid file, and create a new one? I'd like to see if it has anything different in there
#240 [08:26] <fireking_zack> create new what?
#241 [08:26] <Eagle10> I need help on buying minecraft anyone can help me please?
#242 [08:26] <fireking_zack> hs err
#243 [08:26] <DiskDaemon> or rather, delete it and have Minecraft create a new one when it closes down
#244 [08:26] <fireking_zack> ok
#245 [08:26] <DiskDaemon> Eagle10: What sort of help do you need?
#246 [08:26] <Eagle10> well i am trying to buy from paypal
#247 [08:27] <Eagle10> and when i click in the button of pay now
#248 [08:27] <Eagle10> it says that: There was an error processing the payment
#249 [08:27] <DiskDaemon> Okay, what sort of error was there in processing the payment?
#250 [08:27] <fireking_zack> http://pastebin.com/HkHfCWYp
#251 [08:28] <Eagle10> i dont know
#252 [08:28] <Necrodoom> DiskDaemon: thats what paypal says when it cant process payment
#253 [08:28] <DiskDaemon> Eagle10: Nobody here works for Mojang, we don't have access to accounts. I suggest that you read this article form Mojang. and then contact Paypal to learn out the cause of the problem.
#254 [08:28] <Eagle10> ok :(
#255 [08:29] <Gunslinger2> if you download Speccy from Piriform.com/speccy you can probably get all the system info you need about his PC
#256 [08:29] <Gunslinger2> or if he downloads it rather
#257 [08:30] <Gunslinger2> make, model, cpu, graphics card etc.etc.
#258 [08:30] <Eagle10> how can i contact mojang guys?
#259 [08:30] <DiskDaemon> It's an SiS 651 motherboard graphics chip that was created in 2003 - is that even likely to be capable, even after performing a driver updated from 2010?
#260 [08:30] <j4mie> through the art of dance
#261 [08:30] <DiskDaemon> dxdiag for the system is at http://pastebin.com/KgdThhyK
#262 [08:31] <DiskDaemon> Eagle10: http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/417071-i-can%E2%80%99t-purchase-minecraft
#263 [08:31] <DiskDaemon> Eagle10: Mojang will just tell you that the payment wasn't made, which you already know. It's Paypal who handles the payment that you need to contact
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#267 [08:32] <Eagle10> ok, thank you ;)
#268 [08:34] <DiskDaemon> Gunslinger2: The only times when I've seen hs_err_pid issues is when the graphic chip just can't handle things, either because of out of date drivers (fixable) or it's just not capable.
#269 [08:36] <DiskDaemon> I do see though that somewhere else shows a potential fix, by cleaning the system in some way. Investigating now
#270 [08:36] <DiskDaemon> I do see though that somewhere else shows a potential fix, by cleaning the system in some way. Investigating now
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#272 [08:37] <fireking_zack> you have been a really big help! thank you so much
#273 [08:39] <DiskDaemon> The following page provides the info on a potential fix http://www.thetechgame.com/Forums/p=22373696.html
#274 [08:39] <DiskDaemon> Ahh, the hidden link is DriverSweeper
#275 [08:40] <DiskDaemon> fireking_zack: Use the program to clean things out http://www.guru3d.com/category/driversweeper/
#276 [08:40] <DiskDaemon> When cleaning is finished, reboot, and try your luck again.
#277 [08:41] <fireking_zack> this is a business computer, will any of these delete anything or harm the computer?
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#279 [08:41] <DiskDaemon> No, but I'll run the program and check for you if there are good ways of backing up before removal of anything
#280 [08:42] <fireking_zack> i cant remove anything on this computer, i need most of the things i have on here
#281 [08:43] <DiskDaemon> Don't worry, that particular program has been discontinued. I'll see if there's something better to do the same job
#282 [08:44] <DiskDaemon> fireking_zack: It won't delete any programs or data that you use. It's designed for a completely different purpose than that
#283 [08:44] <fireking_zack> ok, thanks
#284 [08:45] <DiskDaemon> You can download it from http://www.softpedia.com/dyn-postdownload.php?p=101717&t=4&i=1
#285 [08:46] <DiskDaemon> When you install it, there will be a setup page about "Linkbury Community Startbar". On that page, turn off all of the check boxes.
#286 [08:47] <DiskDaemon> fireking_zack: And good news, it automatically backs up any changes that are made.
#287 [08:48] <DiskDaemon> fireking_zack: When you run the program, check the tickbox for everything in the "Display" category, then choose "Analyse and clean" from the left section
#288 [08:49] <DiskDaemon> Display, and Chipset categories, that is.
#289 [08:49] <fireking_zack> so i tick ADM-display and Intel-chipste?
#290 [08:50] <DiskDaemon> Yes. After cleaning those out, restart and run that driver update that was used earlier, then restart again.
#291 [08:51] <fireking_zack> and tick the NVIDIA-chipset?
#292 [08:52] <DiskDaemon> yes indeed - all of the chipset and display ones
#293 [08:52] <fireking_zack> do you want to reboot - yes?
#294 [08:52] <DiskDaemon> yes
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#297 [08:55] <fireking_zack_> hey
#298 [08:55] <Gunslinger2> surprising that something from 03 cant run minecraft o.0
#299 [08:57] <DiskDaemon> Well that graphics chip is nearly 10 years old now.
#300 [08:57] <fireking_zack_> wow
#301 [08:58] <DiskDaemon> It's shown as being 07/04/2003 on http://members.driverguide.com/driver/device_for_make_model.php?modelId=105&deviceDescriptionId=31833&manufacturerId=12564&providerId=12564&hwid=PCI%5CVEN_1039%26DEV_6325%26SUBSYS_00581462%26REV_00
#302 [08:59] <fireking_zack_> so u reckon that i will not be able to run it through this computer?
#303 [09:00] <DiskDaemon> This is a last-ditch effort. Removing conflicting graphics drivers, and installing those drivers from 2010 that you got before
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#305 [09:02] <fireking_zack> wow
#306 [09:02] <fireking_zack> bit of success
#307 [09:02] <DiskDaemon> good one
#308 [09:03] <fireking_zack> i tried playing though the website
#309 [09:03] <fireking_zack> it loaded up the game but made chrome unresponsive
#310 [09:04] <DiskDaemon> Do it with the separate download, and if it's a different issue we can delve in to that
#311 [09:06] <fireking_zack> i have to go now, al least i know that there is a chance of it working, i might come back on again tomoro.
#312 [09:06] <fireking_zack> THANKS SOO MUCH FOR YOUR HELPP!!! :d
#313 [09:06] <fireking_zack> :S
#314 [09:06] <fireking_zack> :D
#315 [09:06] <DiskDaemon> you're welcome
#316 [09:06] <fireking_zack> cya
#317 [09:06] <fireking_zack> cya
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#320 [09:12] <Gunslinger2> sometimes....i miss not watching tv....then again not really
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#322 [09:13] <Gunslinger2> -not, i dont miss watching tv, just miss the shows i cant find elsewhere which is a pain
#323 [09:15] <DiskDaemon> The only thing that I miss is in sharing with others about what they watched. That's no biggie though
#324 [09:18] <Gunslinger2> majority of watch i watch is on netflix, d/l, or occaisionally hulu. A person can only stand so many Vagisil, ExtenZe and other mindless commercials & tv shows.
#325 [09:19] <DiskDaemon> known to cause anal leakage and heart problems. Please consult a doctor before taking
#326 [09:19] <Gunslinger2> no doubt
#327 [09:19] <DiskDaemon> and other fineprint such as that, can be quite entertaining to spot :)
#328 [09:19] <Gunslinger2> ill pass on that
#329 [09:22] <Gunslinger2> heard on the news something about soft drinks over 16oz's their wanting to ban
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#331 [09:23] <DiskDaemon> A $200 fine for softdrink, whereas a cup of marijuana is just $100
#332 [09:23] <Gunslinger2> *shakes head* politicians /facepalm
#333 [09:23] <DiskDaemon> The Daily Show had a good segment on it
#334 [09:25] <DiskDaemon> Here it is - http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-june-11-2012/boris-johnson
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#336 [09:33] <Gunslinger2> methinks the new yorkers wont pay to much attention to that
#337 [09:35] <DiskDaemon> It's just about getting the businesses in line. Being hit with a $200 fine for having a large cup, when they can serve it in two smaller cups, or refill instead, seems to be an effective way to go
#338 [09:39] <Gunslinger2> i would think nyc has more pressing issues than a waste of peoples time & taxes for a law/bill/whatever they cant hope to enforce
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#348 [10:27] <adrian239319> Is anyone interested in helping us writing a few articles for minecraft?
#349 [10:27] <adrian239319> We need someone to join our staff to help with writing good articles.
#350 [10:27] <adrian239319> No advanced writing skills needed. You may get paid for your work.
#351 [10:30] <DiskDaemon> Who will the writing be done for?
#352 [10:31] <adrian239319> what do you mean?
#353 [10:31] <Boreeas> Who will we write for? Who will display the texts?
#354 [10:31] <DiskDaemon> Which staff will be joined? What is the name of the site, etc...
#355 [10:31] <Calinou> -_-
#356 [10:31] <Calinou> inb4 scam
#357 [10:31] <DiskDaemon> Are you a startup outfit with little-to-no prospects, or someone serious?
#358 [10:32] <Calinou> writing articles for minecraft? sorry there's a thing called "minecraft wiki" out there
#359 [10:32] <Boreeas> Also, what topic is to be focused? Technial stuff? Troubleshooting? Modding? Redstone circuits? Building techniques?
#360 [10:32] <Calinou> also, how is that related to #minecrafthelp
#361 [10:32] <DiskDaemon> adrian239319: Hello?
#362 [10:32] <adrian239319> I assure you
#363 [10:32] <adrian239319> it is serious
#364 [10:32] <DiskDaemon> Then please divulge us with a few details
#365 [10:32] <adrian239319> sure, wait a sec
#366 [10:33] <adrian239319> We need people to write short articles for minecraft. That is, writing descriptions for different types of resources. Mods, Textures, Creations, Skins, Guides, etc
#367 [10:34] <Boreeas> Who is "We"?
#368 [10:34] <adrian239319> We is me and a few behind the website
#369 [10:34] <DiskDaemon> Ahh.
#370 [10:34] <Boreeas> What website? What is the URL?
#371 [10:35] <adrian239319> Maybe you can add skype if you are interested for further detail:
#372 [10:35] <adrian239319> minecraft3421
#373 [10:35] <adrian239319> skype:
#374 [10:35] <adrian239319> minecraft3421
#375 [10:36] <adrian239319> ?
#376 [10:36] <Devin> We want the URL.
#377 [10:36] <DiskDaemon> adrian239319: How will you come up with the funding, with which article writers are paid?
#378 [10:36] <adrian239319> Writing the articles aren't that hard, they do not need to be very comprehensive
#379 [10:36] <adrian239319> everything is sorted out for you
#380 [10:37] <adrian239319> you basically need to comment
#381 [10:37] <adrian239319> you get paid per article
#382 [10:37] <Boreeas> That sounds like a bunch of hot air. Sorry.
#383 [10:37] <DiskDaemon> It's not about the difficulty - it's about the reputation, the time, and the likelihood of an ongoing income that are the concern
#384 [10:38] <adrian239319> You get paid according to your contribution
#385 [10:38] <Devin> How will you come up with the money?
#386 [10:38] <adrian239319> If it is very good, you may even join our staff
#387 [10:39] <adrian239319> website -> moderator
#388 [10:39] <DiskDaemon> Thanks, but it's an unproven model that results in lower quality articles. The more mediocre articles the better the pay, and I don't agree with being mediocre, and neither should you.
#389 [10:39] <adrian239319> funding?
#390 [10:39] <Boreeas> So it will be for a server?
#391 [10:39] <adrian239319> mediocre?
#392 [10:39] <adrian239319> of course not
#393 [10:39] <DiskDaemon> It's in the dictionary - look it up.
#394 [10:39] <adrian239319> quality is always better
#395 [10:40] <adrian239319> I know what mediocre means
#396 [10:40] <DiskDaemon> Quality is always better, but the payment model for the articles doesn't respect that idea
#397 [10:40] <adrian239319> consider MinecraftDl.com
#398 [10:40] <DiskDaemon> What is to consider about them?
#399 [10:41] <adrian239319> articles of that kind
#400 [10:41] <DiskDaemon> I have found no reason to go to them yet. Their advertising is painful, and they have nothing of benefit to offer
#401 [10:41] <Boreeas> You still didn't tell us who we would work for. "Me and some others" could be anything from a bunch of middle-school kids over a group of college students to a branch of a company
#402 [10:41] <Devin> "|10:37:20|� <adrian239319> You get paid according to your contribution" --- Where are you getting this money?
#403 [10:42] <adrian239319> No company, private
#404 [10:42] <adrian239319> private funding
#405 [10:42] <DiskDaemon> and paid how much - $4 for an hour's work is pretty bad pay if you ask me
#406 [10:42] <adrian239319> from my own sallery :)
#407 [10:42] <DiskDaemon> Is this a joke?
#408 [10:42] <adrian239319> the prior statement, yes
#409 [10:42] <adrian239319> who said 4 dollars?
#410 [10:43] <adrian239319> we want to make a good website
#411 [10:43] <Boreeas> I think this discussion is over. It it offtopic for this channel, you are evading any questions asked to you, and you do not seem to have a reasonable plan.
#412 [10:43] <adrian239319> that's it
#413 [10:43] <Boreeas> Please try #minecraft, this channel is not an appropriate place for this.
#414 [10:43] <adrian239319> hardly seems fair
#415 [10:44] <adrian239319> reasonable plan?
#416 [10:44] <DiskDaemon> If a whole day is spent putting together a great article, that's not much pay. Instead of doing that you could churn out 20 mediocre articles instead, and make 20 times as much monety for the day
#417 [10:44] <Devin> Seems sketchy.
#418 [10:44] <adrian239319> The articles don't need a days work
#419 [10:45] <adrian239319> they need to be seo friendly
#420 [10:45] <adrian239319> and not too short, but not too long either
#421 [10:45] <DiskDaemon> That's an example to help highlight the futility of trying to do great work on articles under that payment scheme
#422 [10:45] <adrian239319> I haven't even said how much you get paid yet
#423 [10:45] <Boreeas> adrian239319: Last warning: Stop it or be kicked.
#424 [10:46] <DiskDaemon> If it's better than $50 an hour I'm listening
#425 [10:47] <adrian239319> sure you get 1500$ for half an hour
#426 [10:47] <adrian239319> wow! :)
#427 [10:47] <adrian239319> and the earth is flat btw
#428 [10:47] <DiskDaemon> sign me up :)
#429 [10:48] <DiskDaemon> But seriously, you've been given your answer from everyone concerned here.
#430 [10:48] <Devin> not sure if serious or just trolling
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#432 [10:50] <adrian239319> It is serious, but 50 $ / hour for mediocre articles, isn't that serious
#433 [10:52] <DiskDaemon> adrian239319: so long as the money keep on rolling in, I'll be happy to do it
#434 [10:54] <adrian239319> Here is an example of how an article would be like:
#435 [10:54] <adrian239319> http://www.minecraftdl.com/simpleguns-mod/
#436 [10:54] <adrian239319> Given that we have hundreds
#437 [10:54] <adrian239319> articles needed to be written
#438 [10:54] <DiskDaemon> And what would you pay for such an article?
#439 [10:54] <adrian239319> what would you think is reasonable?
#440 [10:55] <adrian239319> seriously
#441 [10:55] <DiskDaemon> I go where the market takes me. What are you going to be paying for such work
#442 [10:56] <adrian239319> I guess we would have a fixed price for a bunch of 10 X articles
#443 [10:56] <DiskDaemon> You're guessing?
#444 [10:56] <Boreeas> [16:45:47] <Boreeas> Last warning: Stop it or be kicked.
#445 [10:56] <adrian239319> why?
#446 [10:56] <Boreeas> Take it to #minecraft
#447 [10:56] <DiskDaemon> I'll leave things at that then.
#448 [10:56] <Boreeas> This is not the channel for hot air
#449 [10:56] <adrian239319> ok
#450 [10:57] <DiskDaemon> adrian239319: Come on over to the #minecraft - it's a friendly place
#451 [10:57] <DiskDaemon> sometimes.
#452 [10:57] <adrian239319> DiskDaemon: add me on skype if actually interested
#453 [10:57] <adrian239319> minecraft3421
#454 [10:57] <Calinou> average scammer
#455 [10:57] <Boreeas> !kick adrian239319 Stop wasting my bandwidth.
#456 [10:57] * AuBot kicked adrian239319 from #minecrafthelp (Reason: drian239319 :Don't let the door hit ya where the dogs should have bit ya! (Issued by Boreeas with reason: Stop wasting my bandwidth.))
#457 [10:57] <Calinou> thank you
#458 [10:57] <DiskDaemon> blimey
#459 [10:57] <Calinou> <sarcasm>plus he has an original nickname</sarcasm>
#460 [10:58] <Boreeas> He has successfully avoided any question I asked him.
#461 [11:02] <DiskDaemon> 50c per article. Cents.
#462 [11:03] <Boreeas> Did he tell you that?
#463 [11:03] <DiskDaemon> Yes indeed, to which he received an immediate "fuck off" response from me
#464 [11:03] * AuBot kicked DiskDaemon from #minecrafthelp (Reason: iskDaemon :Please keep it civil.)
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#466 [11:03] <DiskDaemon> Followed by a statement that standard rates are around $15 for 500 words :)
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#471 [11:19] <hedgehogsniper> hello
#472 [11:19] <DiskDaemon> hi there
#473 [11:19] <Guest83731> Dx my nick changed
#474 [11:19] <DiskDaemon> You can change it with /nick nickname
#475 [11:19] <Morrolan> Because the one you chose is, most likely, registered already.
#476 [11:20] <Guest83731> hedgehogsniper is the nick i registered
#477 [11:20] <Morrolan> Then you failed to identify in time I guess.
#478 [11:20] <hedgehogsniper> xD woot i identified it fast enough
#479 [11:20] <hedgehogsniper> yea
#480 [11:21] <Morrolan> Hurp.
#481 [11:21] <DiskDaemon> err, right ;)
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#483 [11:26] <Wercraftians> Hello on my server lately someone has hacked my brothers minecraft account they changed his pass and email his email was azzpoop98@yahoo.com and user tehminecraftians
#484 [11:28] <DiskDaemon> We have no access to accounts, but we can help you to contact Mojang about the hacked account
#485 [11:29] <DiskDaemon> Wercraftians: You will need to get your transaction id for them too
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#491 [11:41] <Wercraftians> Hello on my server lately someone has hacked my brothers minecraft account they changed his pass and email his email was azzpoop98@yahoo.com and user tehminecraftians
#492 [11:41] <Necrodoom> you already got answered
#493 [11:41] <Wercraftians> it never came through can you repeat plz
#494 [11:42] <DiskDaemon> http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/361483-my-account-was-hacked
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#501 [12:10] <DiskDaemon> GreyVulpine: There was an interesting one today, with hs_err_pid. After updating their 2003 graphics chip, then using driver sweeper to clear things out before using the right drivers again, the hs_err_pid issue seemed to be resolved, but the person (fireking_zack) ran out of time, and will be coming back later.
#502 [12:11] <GreyVulpine> Yikes.
#503 [12:11] <GreyVulpine> I'd hate to ask what graphics chip they're using.
#504 [12:11] <DiskDaemon> It was an SiS 651
#505 [12:12] * GreyVulpine winces
#505 [12:12] <DiskDaemon> So, that's just a head's up in case they return.
#506 [12:12] <GreyVulpine> I have not seen an SiS chip that would actually run minecraft during my entire stay here..
#507 [12:13] <DiskDaemon> Ahh wow - I'll consider it to be an achievement then to have got that far at least
#508 [12:14] <DiskDaemon> anyway, I'll be hitting the hay. Good luck :)
#509 [12:14] * GreyVulpine nods
#509 [12:16] * DiskDaemon mutters rude words on the way out about having to use "PCI\VEN_1039&DEV_6325&SUBSYS_00581462&REV_00" to track down drivers for ancient chipsets
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#510 [12:18] * GreyVulpine hehs
#510 [12:18] <GreyVulpine> Always fun
#511 [12:19] * Calinou buys a rendition v�rit�, comes in this channel and tells: "i cant run minecraft"
#511 [12:19] <Morrolan> See those smears on the wall, Calinou?
#512 [12:19] <Morrolan> That's what's left of the last person to try something like this.
#513 [12:19] <Calinou> lol
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#517 [12:39] <niklas> hey guys, my MC deadlocks on startup on Debian x64 with Java 1.7.0_05. Here's a strace: http://dtun.de/strace1.txt and here's the end of a trace, where the server actually crashes instead of deadlocking (with backtrace): http://dtun.de/crash1.txt (hs_err log: http://dtun.de/hs_err_pid1888.log)
#518 [12:41] <niklas> btw the server is run in a completely empty directory via java -Xmx900M -Xms900M -jar minecraft_server.jar
#519 [12:41] <niklas> same issue with Java 1.6.0_27
#520 [12:41] <Calinou> *a linuxian there* - hi
#521 [12:41] <Calinou> btw: pastebin... I'm not gonna go to this random website
#522 [12:42] <niklas> fair enough
#523 [12:42] <Calinou> niklas, install proprietary drivers? also, what graphics card?
#524 [12:42] <niklas> Calinou: none, it's a server?
#525 [12:42] <Calinou> oooh - thought you were talking about client
#526 [12:43] <niklas> sry, should have made that explicit :)
#527 [12:44] <niklas> So strace of deadlock: http://pastie.org/4121355, java backtrace (crash happened only once out of ~20 times): http://pastie.org/4121354, crash log: http://pastie.org/4121352
#528 [12:46] <Calinou> vanilla server I presume?
#529 [12:46] <niklas> yes
#530 [12:46] <niklas> just downloaded it from the website
#531 [12:46] <niklas> into an empty directory
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#533 [12:48] <Calinou> dunno why... it works just fine for me
#534 [12:48] <Boreeas> That error logs like a JVM error
#535 [12:49] <Boreeas> s/g/ok/
#536 [12:49] <niklas> Boreeas: I know, but it happens in all Oracle JVMs I tried
#537 [12:50] <niklas> not sure how to approach this, especially because the backtrace suggests an MC problem
#538 [12:50] <kyleyocats> I am unable to find my .minecraft folder How do I download a new .minecraft folder so I can start getting mods?
#539 [12:51] <Gunslinger2> hidden in user/appdata
#540 [12:51] <niklas> Boreeas: also, in most instances it doesn't even crash, it only deadlocks
#541 [12:51] <niklas> as seen in the strace
#542 [12:52] <niklas> which looks like a concurrency issue to me
#543 [12:54] <Calinou> kyleyocats, windows+R then type in: %appdata%
#544 [12:54] <Calinou> then .minecraft
#545 [12:55] <kyleyocats> I'm on a mac
#546 [12:55] <niklas> then in ~/.minecraft, I assume?
#547 [12:55] <clarjon1> niklas: nope
#548 [12:56] <kyleyocats> I'm only 11 I need help!
#549 [12:56] <Calinou> kyleyocats, (your user folder) > Library > Application Support > minecraft
#550 [12:56] <Calinou> protip: google before, next time. ;)
#551 [12:56] <Calinou> aka this: ~/Library/Application Support/minecraft/texturepacks
#552 [12:56] <Calinou> (the texture packs folder)
#553 [12:57] <kyleyocats> texture pack in mine craft won't open
#554 [12:57] <kyleyocats> i mean folder
#555 [12:57] <Calinou> the "open pack folder" doesn't work on macs - it will in 1.3
#556 [12:57] <Calinou> the release date of 1.3 is unknown
#557 [12:59] <kyleyocats> so what do i do
#558 [12:59] <Calinou> kyleyocats, what I said - you can access texture pack folder manually. also, "HD" texture packs require third party modifications to function properly.
#559 [13:00] <kyleyocats> I know but i want to download a mod
#560 [13:01] <kyleyocats> but i don't even have the .minecraft folder
#561 [13:01] <kyleyocats> the mod is industrial mod
#562 [13:01] <Calinou> on mac it's minecraft not .minecraft - also, mods have to be updated to work with the latest version, old mods will not work
#563 [13:02] <Calinou> due to apple being an ass, this is how you should install mods: http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/249637-125-optifine-hd-c3-fps-boost-hd-textures-aa-af-and-much-more/
#564 [13:03] <Calinou> see the "Installation" part
#565 [13:03] <Calinou> (example here: Optifine mod but this applies to pretty much all mods)
#566 [13:03] <Calinou> most mods require ModLoader to work, too
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#568 [13:04] <Jorakai> hello?
#569 [13:04] <kyleyocats> but i don't have the folder with the saves,worlds, mods
#570 [13:04] <Jorakai> Kyle
#571 [13:04] <kyleyocats> yes
#572 [13:04] <Jorakai> that happend with me
#573 [13:04] <kyleyocats> what
#574 [13:04] <Jorakai> hello?
#575 [13:05] <kyleyocats> every time i try to download mod loader it downloads a livi file
#576 [13:05] <Calinou> kyleyocats, there is no "mods" folder by default - "saves" contains singleplayer world
#577 [13:05] <Calinou> ...livi?! you're downloading from some wrong, or even virus site then. ._.
#578 [13:06] <Jorakai> Anyone
#579 [13:06] <Calinou> minecraftforum is pretty much the only place where you can trust people
#580 [13:06] <Calinou> Jorakai, yes? don't ask to ask
#581 [13:06] <Jorakai> When i try to download and i look in the minecraft.net folder there is nothing there
#582 [13:06] <kyleyocats> but there is no place to download
#583 [13:06] <Jorakai> anyone have an answer?
#584 [13:06] <Calinou> ...minecraft.net folder. *facepalm*
#585 [13:06] <Calinou> Jorakai, did you buy the game?
#586 [13:06] <Jorakai> no
#587 [13:07] <Jorakai> i played it before without buying it
#588 [13:07] <Calinou> kyleyocats, http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/75440-v125-risugamis-mods-everything-updated/
#589 [13:07] <kyleyocats> great
#590 [13:07] <Calinou> Jorakai, the classic version, or pirated?
#591 [13:07] <kyleyocats> ok il try it now
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#593 [13:08] <Jorakai> anyone?
#594 [13:08] <ej> me
#595 [13:08] <kyleyocats> the site just had mods
#596 [13:08] <niklas> Jorakai: you did not even begin to tell us your problem
#597 [13:08] <Jorakai> ok nick here
#598 [13:08] <ej> my mine craft keeps on lagging
#599 [13:08] <niklas> maybe you should ask a question before expecting an answer
#600 [13:09] <ej> what can i stop the lag
#601 [13:09] <kyleyocats> what i need is a minecraft folder
#602 [13:09] <niklas> kyleyocats: Calinou just told you where it is.
#603 [13:09] <kyleyocats> there
#604 [13:09] <Jorakai> I played minecraft before but when my sister did something all the minecraft folders are gone. And when i redownload it the folders are never there in .minecraft folder
#605 [13:09] <niklas> like 5 minutes ago
#606 [13:10] <Jorakai> thers is my problem
#607 [13:10] <niklas> Jorakai: what folders
#608 [13:10] <niklas> what redownload
#609 [13:10] <Jorakai> all the folders in .minecraft
#610 [13:10] <Jorakai> you know
#611 [13:10] <Jorakai> when you search %appdata% those folders
#612 [13:10] <niklas> Jorakai: you have to buy the game to play it, are you aware of that?
#613 [13:10] <kyleyocats> ok my computer does not not have the .minecraft folder
#614 [13:11] <niklas> kyleyocats: yes it has
#615 [13:11] <Jorakai> but i played it before
#616 [13:11] <kyleyocats> no it doesent
#617 [13:11] <niklas> Jorakai: well you weren't allowed to
#618 [13:11] <Jorakai> alright thanks for the help nick
#619 [13:11] <niklas> kyleyocats: where did you look?
#620 [13:12] <ej> nik i bought the game yesterday and when i download it, it keeps on lagging
#621 [13:12] <kyleyocats> %appdata%
#622 [13:12] <niklas> kyleyocats: that's a windows environment variable, if I am not mistaken
#623 [13:13] <kyleyocats> so I'm on a mac what do i do
#624 [13:13] <niklas> kyleyocats: Calinou just told you where the folder is. you should reread what he/she wrote
#625 [13:14] <kyleyocats> when i downloaded the mine craft it didn't bring over the folder with saves
#626 [13:15] <kyleyocats> and worlds
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#628 [13:17] <ej> i need help with minecraft download
#629 [13:17] <kyleyocats> there
#630 [13:17] <kyleyocats> just download from the site
#631 [13:17] <kyleyocats> ej
#632 [13:17] <ej> i did but its so laggy
#633 [13:18] <kyleyocats> sorrey
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#635 [13:18] <ej> any suggestions or reasons why
#636 [13:18] <kyleyocats> what is laggey
#637 [13:18] <niklas> ej: what graphics card/cpi/ram?
#638 [13:18] <niklas> cpu
#639 [13:18] <kyleyocats> ncp
#640 [13:19] <kyleyocats> are you on a mac
#641 [13:19] <kyleyocats> ej
#642 [13:19] <ej> ram is 4.00 cpu is 63%
#643 [13:19] <ej> windows
#644 [13:19] <kyleyocats> ok
#645 [13:19] <ej> ok ?
#646 [13:20] <kyleyocats> try downloading it agan
#647 [13:20] <niklas> ej: what graphics card, what CPU, how many RAM
#648 [13:20] <kyleyocats> he told you
#649 [13:21] <Gunslinger2> kyle what are you trying to do again, intall custom textures?
#650 [13:21] <kyleyocats> try deleting junck files
#651 [13:21] <ej> idk how to find out graphic card but i do know my ram is 4.00GB and my cpu usage is 63% 59% keeps on jumping arround
#652 [13:21] <kyleyocats> no mods
#653 [13:21] <lut> ??> ej win/dxdiag
#654 [13:22] <VoxelHead> ej: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#655 [13:22] <kyleyocats> press f3 in minecraft
#656 [13:22] <VoxelHead> ej: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
#657 [13:22] <kyleyocats> hello i still need help
#658 [13:23] <lut> what with kyleyocats ?
#659 [13:23] <ej> also pressing f3 wont alow or the esacpe button to adjust the options
#660 [13:23] <lut> ej you can edit the options from the mail menu
#661 [13:24] <Gunslinger2> kyle read the wiki here about installing mods http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Mods/Installing_Mods
#662 [13:24] <ej> voxel head i did the saving now what? and oh yeah thanks lut
#663 [13:24] <geraldbrent> VoxelHead is a bot.
#664 [13:24] <niklas> ej: VoxelHead is a bot ;) you should thank lut and paste the file.
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#666 [13:25] <lut> open the file in notepad copy the contents to pastebin
#667 [13:25] <lut> hit submit and copy the link into here
#668 [13:25] <kyleyocats> I'm on a mac and when i download minecraft it didn't bring over the .minecraft FOLDER
#669 [13:25] <kyleyocats> help
#670 [13:25] <niklas> kyleyocats: how often do we need to tell you: it's ~/Library/ApplicationSupport/minecraft on Mac
#671 [13:26] <Gunslinger2> there are instructions for mac on there
#672 [13:26] <ej> okay i paste it in pastebin now what?
#673 [13:26] <kyleyocats> its not there
#674 [13:26] <niklas> ej: post the link ;)
#675 [13:26] <ej> what will this post link do for me though?
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#677 [13:26] <kyleyocats> is that in the files in the mac
#678 [13:26] <niklas> ej: so we know what graphics card you have
#679 [13:27] <lut> kyleyocats, yes it is.
#680 [13:27] <kyleyocats> nope
#681 [13:27] <kyleyocats> well il see
#682 [13:27] <ej> okay i did it
#683 [13:27] <niklas> ej also, please check your CPU model in Windows (right click on Computer -> properties)
#684 [13:27] <niklas> ej: I don't see the link.
#685 [13:28] <kyleyocats> lut there
#686 [13:28] <ej> http://pastebin.com/vDNZtivm
#687 [13:29] <ej> i dont see any CPU model in windows on the my computer properties
#688 [13:29] <kyleyocats> in the folders in the mac
#689 [13:29] <kyleyocats> go to the site
#690 [13:29] <niklas> ej: nevermind, it's part of dxdiag's output too
#691 [13:30] <ej> what is that?
#692 [13:30] <kyleyocats> help
#693 [13:30] <niklas> what you just pasted
#694 [13:30] <ej> okay so what happened?
#695 [13:30] <kyleyocats> hel
#696 [13:30] <niklas> ej: seems like your notebook just isn't very powerful. MC needs a lot of resources.
#697 [13:30] <kyleyocats> i mean help
#698 [13:30] <ej> so i cant play it huh?
#699 [13:31] <niklas> you should be able to play it
#700 [13:31] <kyleyocats> yes you can
#701 [13:31] <lut> his notebook should be fine
#702 [13:31] <kyleyocats> lot you cam to help me1
#703 [13:31] <ej> how its so laggy i cant even move forward or anything all i could do i is look around with my mouse
#704 [13:32] <lut> ??> gpu/intel
#705 [13:32] <ej> what is this gpu/intel?
#706 [13:32] <kyleyocats> LUT HELP
#707 [13:32] <lut> ??> ej gpu/intel
#708 [13:32] <VoxelHead> ej: (gpu/intel) You can get drivers for Intel video cards and chipsets here: http://downloadcenter.intel.com/
#709 [13:32] <Gunslinger2> kyle click Finder > from the menu click Go > Go to Folder
#710 [13:32] <lut> kyleyocats, we've told you where the minecraft directory is about 5 times
#711 [13:33] <ej> now what i clock link
#712 [13:33] <ej> click
#713 [13:33] <Gunslinger2> then enter ~/Library/Application Support/minecraft
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#715 [13:33] <lut> find your gpu you have an intel 965 express ej
#716 [13:33] <Gunslinger2> is there a bin folder there?
#717 [13:33] <kyleyocats> no
#718 [13:33] <ej> where could i find my gpu
#719 [13:34] <niklas> kyleyocats: what's there?
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#721 [13:35] <kyleyocats> ok is what ever you told me in my files
#722 [13:35] <lut> ej you have an intel 965 express GPU
#723 [13:35] <ej> whats that suppose to mean
#724 [13:35] <ej> ..
#725 [13:35] <kyleyocats> ......................
#726 [13:35] <niklas> ej: it means that you own said graphics card and need the drivers for those.
#727 [13:36] <ej> so i have a graphic card? but i need a driver for them?
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#730 [13:39] <Gunslinger2> <knows nothing about macs, he should read the wiki page
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#732 [13:40] <ej> what driver do i need for a intel 965 express GPU
#733 [13:42] <Gunslinger2> http://www.intel.com/p/en_US/support/detect you can download the automatic detection software from intel
#734 [13:43] <Gunslinger2> http://www.intel.com/p/en_US/support/highlights/chpsts/965m/ is Intels support page for your gpu, where you can get the latest drivers
#735 [13:43] <ej> im downloading this intel media graphics accelerator driver
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#737 [13:44] <Blood_Mind> hey, im back guys
#738 [13:45] <Blood_Mind> still need help with the same problem...
#739 [13:47] <Gunslinger2> whats the problem?
#740 [13:51] <Blood_Mind> oh, one monent
#741 [13:51] <Blood_Mind> https://getsatisfaction.com/cobalt/topics/minecraft_game_isnt_loading
#742 [13:52] <Blood_Mind> that's my post
#743 [13:54] <Blood_Mind> and this is with Minecraft Classic
#744 [13:54] <Grim_Reaper> ._.
#745 [13:59] <Gunslinger2> im not sure, Google "minecraft, black screen" and there are a lot of different results.
#746 [13:59] <Blood_Mind> oh, i just used bing so i might get different results this time...
#747 [13:59] <Blood_Mind> brb
#748 [14:00] <Gunslinger2> <will be back later
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#750 [14:06] <kyleyocats> hi
#751 [14:07] <Calinou> minecraft GS is dead, Blood_Mind
#752 [14:08] <Blood_Mind> GS?
#753 [14:08] <Calinou> get satisfaction
#754 [14:08] <Blood_Mind> oh
#755 [14:08] <Blood_Mind> one moment
#756 [14:10] <Blood_Mind> i will just state my problem on paste bin
#757 [14:11] <Blood_Mind> http://pastebin.com/NwTzETLr
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#759 [14:12] <t4nk118> WHERE IS XERATIQ
#760 [14:15] <Calinou> classic. -_-
#761 [14:15] <Calinou> t4nk118, huh
#762 [14:16] <t4nk118> yes, that would be my name
#763 [14:17] <t4nk118> legitskillerz / ninjabrine
#764 [14:17] <t4nk118> I seek the holy grail
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#766 [14:26] <Blood_Mind> can anyone help me?
#767 [14:27] <Blood_Mind> ANYONE?
#768 [14:28] <t4nk118> what's the question
#769 [14:28] <TheNytangel> Probably
#770 [14:28] <Blood_Mind> here
#771 [14:28] <Blood_Mind> http://pastebin.com/NwTzETLr
#772 [14:29] <t4nk118> if you restart your computer does it work the first time again but not again?
#773 [14:30] <Blood_Mind> no
#774 [14:30] <Blood_Mind> not at all
#775 [14:30] <t4nk118> are you sure you have the right 32bit or 64bit version of Java?
#776 [14:30] <t4nk118> I ran 32bit java on my 64bit machine for awhile and got screwy behavior like that
#777 [14:31] <t4nk118> was embarassing, but it fixed it
#778 [14:31] <Blood_Mind> it just happened all of a sudden, i, didnt use change Java and it's been working for weeks
#779 [14:32] <Blood_Mind> so im not sure
#780 [14:32] <Blood_Mind> how do i check?
#781 [14:32] <Blood_Mind> i have 32-bit computer
#782 [14:33] <t4nk118> you could also download something like Magic Launcher and assign more memory to your client http://www.minecraftmine.org/magic-launcher-minecraft/
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#784 [14:33] <Blood_Mind> more memory? what for?
#785 [14:33] <t4nk118> i forget how to check, might be as easy as add/remove programs
#786 [14:33] <t4nk118> i would just go here
#787 [14:33] <t4nk118> http://java.com/en/download/manual.jsp
#788 [14:33] <t4nk118> and try to install 32bit java
#789 [14:33] <Blood_Mind> OH one momeent
#790 [14:33] <KakarotKY> Hello. I have a problem.
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#792 [14:35] <KakarotKY> My account says I am not premium and I have been playing for about 2 days. I read the link provided above and don't see a solution. Can someone help me?
#793 [14:36] <Blood_Mind> OH I HAVE 64-bit, not 32!
#794 [14:36] <Marshall> I have OpenGL issues as my friend said too me and I don't know what too do.
#795 [14:36] <Marshall> Can anyone helpme?
#796 [14:36] <t4nk118> ya that'll do it blood_mind
#797 [14:37] <t4nk118> it's weird because it will work normally, and then just crap out
#798 [14:37] <t4nk118> and never work again
#799 [14:37] <t4nk118> unless you have the right one
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#801 [14:39] <Marshall> Anyone be helping me?
#802 [14:39] <mib_to9vnf> hi
#803 [14:42] <Marshall> Anyone?
#804 [14:43] <t4nk118> I know not how to troubleshoot OpenGL issues
#805 [14:43] <Marshall> It's not just that
#806 [14:44] <Marshall> It's the language
#807 [14:44] <Marshall> http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1300700-language-screwed-up-or-something/
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#811 [14:45] <t4nk118> interesting. I've seen that before on mine too when I had 32bit java on my 64bit machine by accident
#812 [14:45] <t4nk118> people having the wrong java version can cause alot of problems
#813 [14:46] <Marshall> Tank
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#815 [14:46] <Marshall> It does say I have 32 bit java
#816 [14:46] <t4nk118> oh ok
#817 [14:46] <Marshall> But I'm on a 64 bit machine
#818 [14:46] <Marshall> But I'm on a 64 bit machine
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#820 [14:46] <t4nk118> ahh, i would try to get the 64bit verisno of java here: http://java.com/en/download/manual.jsp
#821 [14:46] <Marshall> But I wouldn't know how to change the version tho
#822 [14:47] <Marshall> How would I uninstall Java?
#823 [14:47] <Marshall> I forget
#824 [14:48] <t4nk118> should just be in add/remove programs
#825 [14:48] <Marshall> Java 7 Update 5
#826 [14:48] <Marshall> Is that it?
#827 [14:49] <Blood_Mind> ok, i finally found the right one, and am downloading it right now
#828 [14:49] <t4nk118> yes, that is right
#829 [14:49] <t4nk118> java 7 update 5
#830 [14:52] <Blood_Mind> RAWRRRRRR it didnt work.........
#831 [14:52] <t4nk118> damn
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#833 [14:53] <t4nk118> where the hell is everyone in this channel
#834 [14:53] <t4nk118> i only came in here to get in contact with a guy called Xeratiq
#835 [14:54] <Blood_Mind> hey, JAVA DIDT WORK
#836 [14:54] <Blood_Mind> t4nk?
#837 [14:55] <Blood_Mind> know what else to do?
#838 [14:55] <t4nk118> I thought for sure that would be it
#839 [14:55] <t4nk118> I'm not sure. Can you run it as administrator?
#840 [14:55] <Blood_Mind> yes
#841 [14:56] <t4nk118> could try right clicking and running it in compatibility mode to try and figure it out
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#843 [15:01] <Blood_Mind> didn't work
#844 [15:05] <Blood_Mind> t4nk?
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#846 [15:06] <Blood_Mind> HEY!
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#849 [15:16] <Marc_IRL> So, say that a user downloads Minecraft, clicks it, and nothing happens... anyone ever heard of this?
#850 [15:16] <ShaRose> I'd guess at no java, but someone probably has heard of it
#851 [15:17] <ShaRose> I remember someone a loooong time ago with that issue, don't know if or how they fixed it though
#852 [15:17] <Marc_IRL> You know, in a perfect world, we'd sit down me, Jens, and some of the people in the community who troubleshoot these issues, and just fix everything :p
#853 [15:17] <ShaRose> ha ha ha good luck
#854 [15:18] <Marc_IRL> Some of the issues I get are just plain strange, and I don't even know how to fix the basic tech issues
#855 [15:18] <Gunslinger2> in a perfect world nothing would need to be fixed...
#856 [15:18] <Marc_IRL> True
#857 [15:19] <ShaRose> Marc_IRL it'd be interesting to put up a wiki somewhere with issues that we don't know how to fix, and if someone knows how to possibly fix it they put a possible fix entry under it
#858 [15:19] <Marc_IRL> I feel bad for this guy. Not only could he not run it, he went to the forums, someone gave him a program to run, and it had a trojan.
#859 [15:19] <ShaRose> ow :S
#860 [15:19] <Blood_Mind> hey, I STILL need help!
#861 [15:20] <Marc_IRL> Is there a common tech issues page on the minecraft wiki currently?
#862 [15:20] <ShaRose> no idea
#863 [15:20] <Morrolan> "<@Marc_IRL> So, say that a user downloads Minecraft, clicks it, and nothing happens... anyone ever heard of this?" <- on UNIX systems you might need to flag the application as executable.
#864 [15:20] <Morrolan> ?? mac/permissions
#865 [15:20] <VoxelHead> mac/permissions: You need to open Applications, go to Utilities, open Terminal, and run the following command (assuming you put Minecraft into Applications):
#866 [15:20] <ShaRose> Blood_Mind java doesn't work or the installer doesn't work
#867 [15:20] <VoxelHead> mac/permissions: chmod +x /Applications/Minecraft.app/Contents/MacOS/JavaApplicationStub
#868 [15:21] <Morrolan> ?? linux/permissions
#869 [15:21] <Morrolan> K, seems there's an entry for Mac only, but chmod +x Minecraft.jar will work for Linux.
#870 [15:21] <Blood_Mind> one moment
#871 [15:22] <Blood_Mind> Java is fine, it's just the game
#872 [15:22] <ShaRose> then why'd you say java didn't work :S
#873 [15:22] <Blood_Mind> when it says Switching Applet, i get the black screen of death
#874 [15:22] <Morrolan> Marc_IRL - If this ain't the cause you could also tell them to run it through the terminal/console, so you get an error message.
#875 [15:23] * ShaRose scrolls up
#875 [15:23] <Blood_Mind> i gtg, bye, ill be back
#876 [15:23] <Morrolan> Now, ought to run. :)
#877 [15:23] <ShaRose> classic
#878 [15:23] <ShaRose> ugh
#879 [15:23] <Marc_IRL> he's got windows xp, I guess
#880 [15:23] <Marc_IRL> Also, brb
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#886 [15:41] <x12inchyumyum> When i try to buy minecraft through paypal it says
#887 [15:41] <x12inchyumyum> go back to minecraft site
#888 [15:41] <x12inchyumyum> doesnt work
#889 [15:41] <x12inchyumyum> why
#890 [15:42] <Calinou> x12inchyumyum, you cannot use paypal to buy gift codes, only a premium status for an account - also, not all prepaid cards are supported through paypal (fraud prevention)
#891 [15:43] <x12inchyumyum> its for premium not gift code
#892 [15:45] <Calinou> -_-
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#899 [15:50] <bustagus> Is there a height limit on buildings that villagers will recognize as part of the villager?
#900 [15:50] <bustagus> village*
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#902 [15:51] <bustagus> As in, if I build an apartment building with several floors, will the villagers still procreate based on the doors on the higher levels?
#903 [15:51] <spymaster777> i just bought a new laptop and minecraft wont run on it no matter what i do.
#904 [15:52] <spymaster777> hello?
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#906 [15:52] <NinjaKirby> Hello? Is it me you are looking for?
#907 [15:53] <spymaster777> i just bought a new laptop and minecraft wont work on it no matter what i do. :(
#908 [15:53] <NinjaKirby> I said Once.... Twice.... Three tiiiiimes a Lady, and I loooove.... yooou~
#909 [15:53] <spymaster777> ...
#910 [15:54] <NinjaKirby> You came on Karaoke night, I'm afraid :3
#911 [15:54] <NinjaKirby> I'm so naughty.
#912 [15:55] <NinjaKirby> I spent like 2 hours the other night building a circuit. I never made a backup, I thought it was inherently flawed and Lava ended up going everywhere and I deleted it all in MCEdit. Now I realise a solution, and I have to build it all again.
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#914 [16:01] <THos> Hi ! I can't buy the premium upgrade. Is there a problem with brooker and paypal ?
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#917 [16:06] <rymate1234> THos, do you have enough money? ;)
#918 [16:08] <THos> Broker said the merchnd email is wrong and paypal only says I cannot finnish
#919 [16:10] <THos> moneybooker
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#926 [16:15] <Bloodblood> Hello?
#927 [16:16] <lut> hey
#928 [16:16] <Bloodblood> i keep asking the MC website to send me a password reset emial
#929 [16:16] <Bloodblood> i haven't got one and i tried yesterday and today
#930 [16:16] <Bloodblood> clues
#931 [16:16] <Bloodblood> ?
#932 [16:17] <Bloodblood> hello?
#933 [16:17] <lut> You inputted the wrong email when you signed up
#934 [16:17] <Bloodblood> no i didn't
#935 [16:18] <Marc_IRL> Alternatively, you could have marked a message as spam, which prevents Mojang from ever sending you an email again
#936 [16:18] <NinjaKirby> Not getting filtered into Junk?
#937 [16:18] <Bloodblood> nope already checked
#938 [16:18] <Marc_IRL> What's your username? I can see if there's an error in the formatting of the email or something.
#939 [16:18] <Bloodblood> should be Bloodblood
#940 [16:18] <Bloodblood> just that
#941 [16:19] <NinjaKirby> :3
#942 [16:19] <Marc_IRL> Should be, or is? It's important, because lots of users think their name is one thing, and it's just something close.
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#944 [16:19] <Marc_IRL> Looks like it has a valid email address
#945 [16:20] <Bloodblood> it's either that or Hellkiller12 garenteed nothing else
#946 [16:20] <Bloodblood> Bloodblood is the name that comes up on servers
#947 [16:20] <Bloodblood> nothing else
#948 [16:20] <Marc_IRL> !paid Hellkiller12
#949 [16:20] <Marc_IRL> !paid bloodblood
#950 [16:20] <Bloodblood> that's the one
#951 [16:21] <Bloodblood> thought as much
#952 [16:21] <Marc_IRL> If you PM me what you think your email is, I can confirm if it is or not. Otherwise, I would need the transaction ID to be able to change it for you.
#953 [16:21] <Bloodblood> killaspider@hotmail.co.uk
#954 [16:21] <Bloodblood> garenteed nothing lese
#955 [16:21] <Bloodblood> else*
#956 [16:21] <Marc_IRL> Well, I suppose posting it publicly here works too :p
#957 [16:21] <Marc_IRL> You are correct, that's the address on file.
#958 [16:22] <Marc_IRL> Do you have a help ticket in right now? From help.mojang.com?
#959 [16:22] <Bloodblood> lol i don't care people can send me junk if they want
#960 [16:23] <Bloodblood> and erm no
#961 [16:23] <Marc_IRL> Go ahead and submit one here so it's all official and stuff, and then I'll have the web guys check with our mail service to see if it's being blocked http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/emails/new
#962 [16:24] <rymate1234> wait
#963 [16:24] <Bloodblood> ok
#964 [16:24] <rymate1234> we have mojang people in here now?
#965 [16:24] <rymate1234> \o/
#966 [16:24] <Marc_IRL> I drop in occasionally
#967 [16:24] <rymate1234> woot ^_^
#968 [16:26] <Bloodblood> ok aparently it's been sent
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#970 [16:27] <Bloodblood> how long am i gunna have to wait for this
#971 [16:27] <Bloodblood> -.-
#972 [16:28] <Marc_IRL> It's about 10:30pm in Sweden right now, but hopefully it'll get looked at in the morning
#973 [16:28] <Marc_IRL> I'm in the US, but I don't have access to our mail service records
#974 [16:28] <Marc_IRL> If you could provide the transaction ID, I could just reset it for you, but that doesn't fix the problem of you not being able to get mail from us
#975 [16:29] <geraldbrent> It's good to have a Mojang employee that stays connected!
#976 [16:29] <Marc_IRL> (and that's not something to post publicly, for sure)
#977 [16:29] <Bloodblood> ok how do i private pm u?
#978 [16:29] <Marc_IRL> That's something that should have been included in the email to us, in the transaction ID field
#979 [16:29] <Marc_IRL> I think you put your email address in there instead :p
#980 [16:29] <geraldbrent> Type /msg Marc_IRL <Message>
#981 [16:30] <Bloodblood> it's just my email for when i bought it right?
#982 [16:30] <THos> Mojang AB
#983 [16:30] <THos> Retournez sur le site du marchand et choisissez un autre mode de paiement
#984 [16:30] <THos> Message d'erreur
#985 [16:30] <THos> Ce paiement ne peut pas être effectué et votre compte n'a pas été débité. Pour en savoir plus, veuillez contacter le marchand.
#986 [16:30] <Marc_IRL> No, a transaction ID number is not an email, lol
#987 [16:30] <Marc_IRL> http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/361380-what-is-a-transaction-id-
#988 [16:30] <Bloodblood> ah ok
#989 [16:31] <Bloodblood> im gunna have a look
#990 [16:31] <Marc_IRL> THos: http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/417071-i-can%E2%80%99t-purchase-minecraft
#991 [16:31] <Bloodblood> hope i haven't deleted it
#992 [16:31] <Marc_IRL> Bloodblood: If you have deleted it, the article tells you how to get it
#993 [16:32] <THos> Paypal said "This paiement cannot be done. Contact the merchand" ??
#994 [16:32] <Bloodblood> nope, nothing
#995 [16:32] <Bloodblood> must have deleted it
#996 [16:33] <Marc_IRL> THos: Sorry, but we don't have information on payment errors, we only have records of successful transactions.
#997 [16:34] <THos> This means your paypal account is locked ?
#998 [16:34] <Marc_IRL> I don't know what it means. You'd have to ask Paypal why you are not able to pay through them.
#999 [16:35] <THos> Am I the only one who cannot pay today ?
#1000 [16:36] <Bloodblood> hey marc was mine recorded as a paypal transaction?
#1001 [16:36] <Bloodblood> cause i don't have any history of it
#1002 [16:37] <THos> I usualy pay ebay items : it always work
#1003 [16:38] <Marc_IRL> THos: I am not aware of any system wide payment errors. It's usually a problem with an individual account.
#1004 [16:38] <Marc_IRL> Bloodblood: Yes, that account has a Paypal transaction ID. 2010 purchase date.
#1005 [16:39] <Marc_IRL> If they don't have a record of it, they can email it to you.
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#1007 [16:43] <Epic_Miner3467> Hi I have just bought Minecraft Premium, and it won't load, when I run the exe and it immediately crashes, when I click play in browser it just shows a white screen in the applet
#1008 [16:44] <THos> Hum. Paypal keep saying "In order to know more, please contact the merchand". The problem is on your side...
#1009 [16:44] <Epic_Miner3467> THos, is that a reply to me? I didn't use paypalQ!
#1010 [16:44] <Marc_IRL> There was a conversation going before you entered the room
#1011 [16:44] <Epic_Miner3467> thanks
#1012 [16:45] <Bloodblood> marc? is my transaction id just my paypal id or can i just send u my paypal id or something?
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#1014 [16:46] <Blood_Mind> hey
#1015 [16:48] <Epic_Miner3467> error message in downloaded version: "Failed to write core dump. Minidumps are not enabled by default on client versions of Windows" - any idea of a fix please?
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#1017 [16:49] <Epic_Miner3467> back in two mins
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#1021 [17:07] <CrusaderDeleters> Holy crud.
#1022 [17:07] <CrusaderDeleters> Google is adding a new thing where both people can dynamically write on the same document.
#1023 [17:08] <CrusaderDeleters> Of course pirate pad does the same thing, but google allows for more instantaneous changes.
#1024 [17:09] <Marc_IRL> Google docs has been able to do that for years...
#1025 [17:10] <Marc_IRL> My team actually uses Google docs and I can see what someone else is typing even if I'm typing at the same time
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#1027 [17:11] <seditec> hey i am having and issue were my minecraft client crashes after updateing i am completeley losty as to what it is i have hs err filkes in the same folder what do i do?
#1028 [17:12] <lut> copy the contents of the hs_err files to pastebin and copy the link here
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#1031 [17:15] <Guest_> hi all, has anyone installed the "computer mod" on a server?
#1032 [17:16] <Guest_> tutorial saies "6.Copy this new folder (not the zip) into the “mods” folder in your minecraft directory" but there is no mod folder ond the linux server. there is no appdata at all....
#1033 [17:18] <GreyVulpine> It sounds like a single player only mod
#1034 [17:18] <Guest_> there is a server download
#1035 [17:18] <Guest_> Download ComputerCraft 1.2.5 Mod for Minecraft 1.2.5 (server)
#1036 [17:18] <GreyVulpine> Ah, computercraft
#1037 [17:19] <GreyVulpine> On Linux, head to ~/.minecraft/
#1038 [17:19] <GreyVulpine> There, you'll need to install modloader and forge
#1039 [17:19] <GreyVulpine> Once you install modloader, you run minecraft. Modloader will then create the ~/.minecraft/mods folder
#1040 [17:19] <Guest_> file or directory no found
#1041 [17:19] <GreyVulpine> Are you sure you're putting in: ~/.minecraft ?
#1042 [17:20] <Guest_> "buildcraft-server-A-core-2.2.14" is installed
#1043 [17:20] <GreyVulpine> Remember that ~/ means your home directory, or the absolute path to /home/youraccount/.minecraft
#1044 [17:20] <GreyVulpine> Did you install modloader and forge as well/.
#1045 [17:20] <Guest_> no minecraft directory. not in /home/username o /root/
#1046 [17:21] <Guest_> no
#1047 [17:21] <GreyVulpine> Tell me exactly how you're launching minecraft in linux
#1048 [17:21] <Marc_IRL> If anyone wonders why we don't have a live help chat... That last issue took about an hour. During that time, I responded to like 50 emails.
#1049 [17:21] <GreyVulpine> Marc_IRL - back in this chatroom's heydays, we had a dozen mib_##### at any one time. That was hell
#1050 [17:22] <Marc_IRL> I can imagine
#1051 [17:22] <Guest_> secound. is lunched from my other pc
#1052 [17:22] <Guest_> java -Xms1G -jar minecraft_Server.jar nogui
#1053 [17:23] <Guest_> with screen normaly
#1054 [17:23] <GreyVulpine> That's how to launch the server.
#1055 [17:23] <GreyVulpine> Where is your client?
#1056 [17:23] <Guest_> windows
#1057 [17:23] <Guest_> mods are installed
#1058 [17:24] <Guest_> item is showing if i try to craft, but then minecraft crashes
#1059 [17:24] <Guest_> i think server mod is missing
#1060 [17:24] <GreyVulpine> I think it is
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#1062 [17:25] <GreyVulpine> Did you download the server for Forge?
#1063 [17:25] <GreyVulpine> If you got minecraft_server from minecraft.net/download, it's not the right server binary
#1064 [17:26] <Guest_> oke, i need the server from forge
#1065 [17:26] <GreyVulpine> Yup
#1066 [17:26] <GreyVulpine> http://minecraftforge.net/forum/index.php/topic,5.0.html
#1067 [17:26] <Guest_> and an other mod too?
#1068 [17:27] <Guest_> the "ModLoaderMP Server 1.2.5 v1 server"
#1069 [17:28] <Guest_> the forge server is not a jar! do i need to build my own?
#1070 [17:28] <lut> modlaodermp is not needed any more
#1071 [17:28] <Guest_> how can i start the forge server?
#1072 [17:29] <lut> install forge into the server jar like any other mod
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#1074 [17:30] <Guest_> copy all the files in the jar?
#1075 [17:31] <Guest_> or the folder?
#1076 [17:31] <GreyVulpine> All the files from forge into the .jar
#1077 [17:31] <GreyVulpine> All the files from forge into the .jar
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#1079 [17:32] <Guest_> oke, then start the server and the folder will created?
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#1081 [17:33] <GreyVulpine> Should be, yes
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#1083 [17:34] <Guest_> server started and stoped
#1084 [17:34] <Guest_> but no minecraft folder...
#1085 [17:34] <GreyVulpine> Check the directory where you have minecraft_server.jar now, what other folders are there?
#1086 [17:35] <Guest_> yes there is one
#1087 [17:35] <Guest_> found that second
#1088 [17:36] <Guest_> exception... :( classnotfound: agy
#1089 [17:37] <GreyVulpine> Then you installed forge incorrectly
#1090 [17:37] <GreyVulpine> Delete the .jar, redownload it, put in forge again.
#1091 [17:38] <Guest_> okey, how can i install incorrectly? i only need to copy some files... okey, i try again
#1092 [17:38] <zen> vanilla class not found? thats quite odd
#1093 [17:38] <zen> no copy everything in the forge zip into the minecraft_server.jar
#1094 [17:41] <Guest_> can i modify the jar for my linux on my windows machine?
#1095 [17:41] <CrusaderDeleters> I think minecraft 1.3 will wait a week or two more.
#1096 [17:41] <Guest_> i hove no gui on my server
#1097 [17:41] <zen> yes you can
#1098 [17:41] <zen> (it's what i do)
#1099 [17:42] <Guest_> if i download the minecraft_server.jar it is finally a zip...
#1100 [17:44] <CrusaderDeleters> wut?
#1101 [17:44] <Guest_> ? no idea why
#1102 [17:45] <NinjaKirby> I guess you've associated .jar files by default with WinZip? So it's icon has changed, maybe
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#1104 [17:46] <CrusaderDeleters> Use 7z, guest_
#1105 [17:46] <CrusaderDeleters> Most other zips kinda mess with the actual size of the files.
#1106 [17:46] <Guest_> but i can't change the fileextension
#1107 [17:46] <CrusaderDeleters> Right click, open with..., select 7z.
#1108 [17:47] <CrusaderDeleters> File extension has NOTHING to do with the program you can open with.
#1109 [17:47] <Guest_> okey, my server jar has allready a forge folder
#1110 [17:47] <CrusaderDeleters> Example, I set all my images to open with Paint.net.
#1111 [17:47] <Guest_> i know
#1112 [17:47] <Guest_> anyway, i have copied the server jar from my linux machine
#1113 [17:48] <Guest_> and it has a forge folder inside, but i never changed somethinge before
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#1116 [17:52] <Guest_> my fault... i copied the wrong compmod folder...
#1117 [17:53] <Guest_> now the server is running
#1118 [17:53] <CrusaderDeleters> Problem is.
#1119 [17:54] <CrusaderDeleters> There was a problem. :c
#1120 [17:54] <Guest_> client works, first computer is crafted
#1121 [17:54] <Guest_> :)
#1122 [17:54] <Guest_> thanks very much
#1123 [17:54] <Guest_> i tried 100 tutorials, it means 100 diffrents solutions!! now it's running
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#1127 [18:13] <NinjaKirby> FUUUU- YEEES
#1128 [18:13] <NinjaKirby> I finally got my Circuit to work, that only took like 2 attempts and about 4 hours total
#1129 [18:24] <CrusaderDeleters> ._.
#1130 [18:24] <CrusaderDeleters> four... hours.
#1131 [18:29] <CrusaderDeleters> Minecraft classic in browser is stupid. :I
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#1133 [18:31] <Habstinat> How can I get the seed of a server map that I don't own?
#1134 [18:34] <Boreeas> Why would you want to do that?
#1135 [18:36] <Habstinat> Boreeas, because I'm on a server and it has some really cool geographic features, and I'd like to see those on single player?
#1136 [18:36] <Boreeas> Try the debug screen
#1137 [18:37] <Boreeas> If that doesn't work, some mods like Zombe's mod used to display world seed. IF that doesn't work, I think the seed is no longer transmitted
#1138 [19:01] <CrusaderDeleters> Lolwut?
#1139 [19:02] <CrusaderDeleters> Why the heck do I have java 7 AND java 6?
#1140 [19:02] <CrusaderDeleters> I never installed 7.
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#1145 [19:56] <honeydeww6999> hello i need help
#1146 [19:57] <clarjon1> ok
#1147 [19:57] <clarjon1> We can't help you until you describe the problem. It's like calling a mechanic, saying "My car is broken" and then hanging up.
#1148 [20:00] <honeydeww6999> well ok the i emailed mojang about my migrated account 4 motths ago and emailed the agin 2 weeks ago and i still havent gotten a response
#1149 [20:00] <DiskDaemon> ??> honeydeww6999 ask
#1150 [20:00] <VoxelHead> honeydeww6999: (ask) Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help with, and be as specific as possible.
#1151 [20:00] <VoxelHead> honeydeww6999: (ask) If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
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#1153 [20:01] <honeydeww6999> i emailed mojang about my migrated account 4 motths ago and emailed the agin 2 weeks ago and i still havent gotten a response
#1154 [20:01] <DiskDaemon> honeydeww6999: Currently Mojang are taking action on every email that they receive. As of June 19 they are working on emails from April 18 http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/359446-when-will-i-hear-back-
#1155 [20:03] <honeydeww6999> thx
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#1157 [20:03] <Normal> Hello
#1158 [20:04] <DiskDaemon> hi there
#1159 [20:04] <Normal> I have a question
#1160 [20:04] <DiskDaemon> which is?
#1161 [20:06] <DiskDaemon> ??> Normal ask
#1162 [20:06] <VoxelHead> Normal: (ask) Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help with, and be as specific as possible.
#1163 [20:06] <VoxelHead> Normal: (ask) If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#1164 [20:06] <Normal> Well I recently got my computer back and I saw that my minecraft account is linked to an email I lost the password to is there any way to change the email?
#1165 [20:07] <DiskDaemon> Yes, you can change the email
#1166 [20:07] <DiskDaemon> http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/329530-my-email-account-has-changed-
#1167 [20:07] <DiskDaemon> http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/329530-my-email-account-has-changed-
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#1170 [20:08] <NewBorn0> hi
#1171 [20:08] <geraldbrent> Hello.
#1172 [20:09] <Normal> Okay thank you!
#1173 [20:09] <DiskDaemon> you're welcome
#1174 [20:09] <NewBorn0> Hello
#1175 [20:09] <NewBorn0> can someone see if they can get on my server,
#1176 [20:09] <DiskDaemon> !check NewBorn0
#1177 [20:10] <DiskDaemon> ;check 86.146.61.2
#1178 [20:10] <DiskDaemon> !check 86.146.61.2
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#1180 [20:11] <DiskDaemon> NewBorn0: Is that the IP address you're using for your server?
#1181 [20:11] <NewBorn0> No
#1182 [20:11] <DiskDaemon> Would you like to tell us the IP address of your server so that it can be checked?
#1183 [20:11] <NewBorn0> 77.111.254.36:25565
#1184 [20:11] <DiskDaemon> !check 77.111.254.36
#1185 [20:12] <NewBorn0> Disdaemon
#1186 [20:12] <DiskDaemon> NewBorn0: THings are looking good there for you.
#1187 [20:12] <DiskDaemon> back in a bit
#1188 [20:12] <NewBorn0> are you a bot?
#1189 [20:12] <NewBorn0> totally confused..
#1190 [20:12] <NewBorn0> :p
#1191 [20:13] <DiskDaemon> I have been accused of being a bot on many occasions
#1192 [20:13] <DiskDaemon> back in a bit, grabbing shower
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#1195 [20:24] <NinjaKirby> It has to be possible to combine two Levers and a Button into a locking mechanism. Can't get my head round the arrangement O_o
#1196 [20:25] <NinjaKirby> In fact what am I saying, I've done this already with just levers... surely this should carry across.
#1197 [20:26] <NinjaKirby> Stabiliser on the output to cater to the momentary action of the button.
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#1200 [20:34] <Hippeman10> Can anyone help me?
#1201 [20:35] <TheNytangel> What's the difference between a woman and a computer? A computer will accept 3 1/2 inch floppies
#1202 [20:35] <Hippeman10> woman dont understand
#1203 [20:36] <Hippeman10> ANYWAY, my account got automatically migrated and my accoun username AND password were changed, what do i do? o.o
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#1205 [20:36] <Austinzappy> Why does my Javelin take damage?
#1206 [20:36] <CrusaderDeleters> Hippe
#1207 [20:36] <Hippeman10> dont ask retarded questions
#1208 [20:37] <Hippeman10> yes crusader?
#1209 [20:37] <CrusaderDeleters> Hippe, be nice or we will not be happy to help.
#1210 [20:37] <CrusaderDeleters> Also
#1211 [20:37] <CrusaderDeleters> Did you go to mojang.com and migrate the account?
#1212 [20:37] <Hippeman10> nope
#1213 [20:37] <CrusaderDeleters> Do you know the email for it?
#1214 [20:37] <Hippeman10> it did automatically without my knowlegde
#1215 [20:37] <DiskDaemon> Hippeman10: I'll get the password reset information for you
#1216 [20:37] <DiskDaemon> http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/329524-change-or-forgot-password
#1217 [20:37] <CrusaderDeleters> Hackers.
#1218 [20:37] <CrusaderDeleters> They need to get a life.
#1219 [20:37] <TheNytangel> Austinzappy: most weapons do
#1220 [20:38] <Hippeman10> thats another problem, i try to do a password reset and it doesnt send an email but it says sucess. the username one works but not the password.
#1221 [20:38] <Austinzappy> I know, but the wiki says its not suppose to, or is the wiki outdated...
#1222 [20:38] <CrusaderDeleters> Hippe, is the email signed to YOU?
#1223 [20:38] <Hippeman10> yes
#1224 [20:38] <Hippeman10> i have full access
#1225 [20:39] <CrusaderDeleters> You can access it now?
#1226 [20:39] <Hippeman10> but no email about my password being reset is EVER sent :(
#1227 [20:39] <Hippeman10> yes
#1228 [20:39] <CrusaderDeleters> When did you make your account>?
#1229 [20:39] <Hippeman10> back in alpha
#1230 [20:39] <DiskDaemon> Hippeman10: Can you get to your profile page on the minecraft.net website at http://www.minecraft.net/profile ?
#1231 [20:40] <CrusaderDeleters> Ooh, that's a problem. You might ahve made a typo in your email, such as TestDummy@hotmail,com
#1232 [20:40] <Hippeman10> i dont
#1233 [20:40] <Hippeman10> it sends other things to my email
#1234 [20:40] <CrusaderDeleters> marc_irl
#1235 [20:40] <Hippeman10> but not my password reset
#1236 [20:40] <CrusaderDeleters> Crap, he's offline.
#1237 [20:40] <DiskDaemon> YOu can see your email address there, partly hidden, but if you have access to your profile page you should be able to determine if the email looks familiar to you
#1238 [20:40] <CrusaderDeleters> Hippeman10: Ooh, that's a problem. You might ahve made a typo in your email, such as TestDummy@hotmail,com
#1239 [20:41] <Hippeman10> o.O
#1240 [20:41] <Hippeman10> i do believe i just told you.
#1241 [20:41] <Hippeman10> that is not the case
#1242 [20:42] <DiskDaemon> Hippeman10: Most email accounts also have a spam section, that the password reset email might be geting caught up in
#1243 [20:42] <Hippeman10> i have checked my entire email for the last 3 days
#1244 [20:42] <CrusaderDeleters> Hippe, minecraft sends you things?
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#1246 [20:42] <CrusaderDeleters> via email*
#1247 [20:42] <DiskDaemon> Hippeman10: In that cast, Mojang provide this article for helping with that http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/542001
#1248 [20:43] <DiskDaemon> ^ Cannot get password reset emails
#1249 [20:43] <Hippeman10> it sent me a minecraft username list
#1250 [20:43] <CrusaderDeleters> Does Minecraft send you any emails, hippe?
#1251 [20:43] <Hippeman10> yes
#1252 [20:43] <Hippeman10> i got a minecraft username list
#1253 [20:43] <Hippeman10> for my email
#1254 [20:44] <CrusaderDeleters> from minecraft.net?
#1255 [20:44] <Hippeman10> either that or account.mojang.com
#1256 [20:46] <Hippeman10> ok when i try to do password reset on minecraft.net, this is what it says. I Type in my account username it says it has been migrated and then i try my email and it says user not found
#1257 [20:47] <CrusaderDeleters> Hrm.
#1258 [20:47] <DiskDaemon> It sounds possible that your account might have been hacked
#1259 [20:47] <Hippeman10> o.o
#1260 [20:47] <Hippeman10> -.-
#1261 [20:47] <CrusaderDeleters> [20:37] CrusaderDeleters Hackers.
#1262 [20:47] <CrusaderDeleters> [20:37] CrusaderDeleters They need to get a life.
#1263 [20:47] <Hippeman10> truthfully
#1264 [20:47] <Hippeman10> i doubt it
#1265 [20:47] <CrusaderDeleters> No really.
#1266 [20:47] <CrusaderDeleters> My account got hacked twice.
#1267 [20:48] <Hippeman10> then how do i get it back?
#1268 [20:48] <DiskDaemon> Especially what with having received a list of Minecraft usernames
#1269 [20:48] <DiskDaemon> Hippeman10: http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/361483-my-account-was-hacked
#1270 [20:48] <Hippeman10> the password reset DOES NOT WORK, can i be any clearer about that?
#1271 [20:49] <DiskDaemon> Hippeman10: Read further than that
#1272 [20:49] <Hippeman10> i have sent 2 emails, still nothing
#1273 [20:49] <Hippeman10> i have no transaction ID
#1274 [20:49] <Hippeman10> and it says my account has already been migrated
#1275 [20:50] <DiskDaemon> Hippeman10: Without proof of purchase, you might be a hacker trying to get someone elses account. Mojang require that proof of purchase
#1276 [20:50] <Hippeman10> ok let me exaplin this to you
#1277 [20:50] <Hippeman10> i bought it in ALPHA
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#1279 [20:50] <DiskDaemon> ??> Hippeman10 attitude
#1280 [20:50] <VoxelHead> Hippeman10: (attitude) The people in #MineCraftHelp offering assistance have no affiliation with Mojang, and are volunteering their time. Please treat them, and #MineCraftHelp, with respect.
#1281 [20:50] <VoxelHead> Hippeman10: (attitude) In short, the more of a jerk you are, the lower-priority your questions will be. We are not the Mojang complaint department.
#1282 [20:50] <Hippeman10> *sigh*
#1283 [20:51] <CrusaderDeleters> [20:36] CrusaderDeleters Hippe, be nice or we will not be happy to help.
#1284 [20:51] <DiskDaemon> We can help in certain ways, but we are not product support
#1285 [20:51] <Hippeman10> dude im seriously stressed out, i love minecraft ok? i have a my own server. i just wanna player T.T
#1286 [20:51] <CrusaderDeleters> I love minecraft too.
#1287 [20:51] <Hippeman10> play*
#1288 [20:51] <Hippeman10> this is entirely messed up
#1289 [20:51] <CrusaderDeleters> When my account got hacked for the second time, I still remained calm.
#1290 [20:52] <CrusaderDeleters> Now, can I have any of your personal information/minecraft username/password?
#1291 [20:52] <Hippeman10> well how do i get proof of purchase if i got it like over 2 years ago?
#1292 [20:52] <CrusaderDeleters> c:
#1293 [20:52] <TheNytangel> CrusaderDeleters: go click those links. Nao
#1294 [20:52] <CrusaderDeleters> Ugh, fine
#1295 [20:52] <Hippeman10> i know my orginal user and pass
#1296 [20:52] <DiskDaemon> I understand. It's frustrating when you don't have access to your account. Go back to your bank records from when you purchased it. Your transaction ID should be there, and should also have it as an email from Mojang when you purchased it as well.
#1297 [20:53] <Hippeman10> i probably deleted it somehoqw
#1298 [20:53] <DiskDaemon> Banks don't delete their records.
#1299 [20:53] <Hippeman10> not that
#1300 [20:53] <CrusaderDeleters> They should not, or it could be noted as fraud.
#1301 [20:53] <Hippeman10> but since then i have gotten multiple new cards
#1302 [20:53] <Hippeman10> and the old ones i can no longer access
#1303 [20:54] <CrusaderDeleters> Cards?
#1304 [20:54] <CrusaderDeleters> Oh
#1305 [20:54] <Hippeman10> credit cards*
#1306 [20:54] <DiskDaemon> Hippeman10: I'm sure that if you call up the bank, they will be all to happy to help you rtrirvretrieve the information that you require
#1307 [20:54] <CrusaderDeleters> Nice one, disk. XD
#1308 [20:54] <Hippeman10> but i dont know even what the card dumber was or Anything
#1309 [20:54] <CrusaderDeleters> rtrirvretrieve
#1310 [20:54] <Hippeman10> number*
#1311 [20:55] <DiskDaemon> Hippeman10: The bank can help with that too, if you give them a timeframe
#1312 [20:55] <Hippeman10> but i dont know the timeframe
#1313 [20:55] <DiskDaemon> Around 2 years ago, you said
#1314 [20:55] <Hippeman10> it was either my dad or my mom who bought it
#1315 [20:55] <CrusaderDeleters> Wait, I found out something that told me the week that I registered.
#1316 [20:55] <Hippeman10> and i dont know which bank they used ant the time
#1317 [20:55] <CrusaderDeleters> Oh yeah, mojang.com told me.
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#1319 [20:55] <DiskDaemon> Hippeman10: Then Your parents can find that information for you
#1320 [20:55] <Blood_Mind> hey, i need help
#1321 [20:55] <CrusaderDeleters> 26 August, 2010
#1322 [20:56] <CrusaderDeleters> Blood, again? XP
#1323 [20:56] <Hippeman10> ill brb
#1324 [20:56] <CrusaderDeleters> Aight blood, what seems to be the problem?
#1325 [20:56] <Blood_Mind> same problem, nothing worked T.T
#1326 [20:56] <TheNytangel> CrusaderDeleters: did you look at them? :D
#1327 [20:56] <CrusaderDeleters> ._.
#1328 [20:56] <Blood_Mind> havent been on Minecraft in like 2 days
#1329 [20:56] <DiskDaemon> Hippeman10: Remember, without that transaction id information from when it was purchased, you have no proof that you purchased it, and Mojang cannot help you
#1330 [20:56] <CrusaderDeleters> Yeah
#1331 [20:56] <TheNytangel> I couldn't stop laughing
#1332 [20:56] <CrusaderDeleters> oh yeah
#1333 [20:57] <CrusaderDeleters> LeNyt, trying to help someone atm. XD
#1334 [20:57] <CrusaderDeleters> So blood, did you try an upgrade to vista or sumthin?
#1335 [20:57] <Blood_Mind> no
#1336 [20:57] <CrusaderDeleters> Windows y*
#1337 [20:57] <CrusaderDeleters> 7**
#1338 [20:58] <Blood_Mind> i got Windows 7
#1339 [20:58] <CrusaderDeleters> So you cannot play on classic?
#1340 [20:58] <Blood_Mind> not anymore
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#1342 [20:58] <Blood_Mind> and ive been looking for answers on google, bing, and youtube
#1343 [20:58] <Blood_Mind> no luck
#1344 [20:59] <Hippeman10> ok well my mother is going to get ahold of the bank tomorrow and figure junk out
#1345 [20:59] <CrusaderDeleters> Blood, are you playing on World of Minecraft custom client?
#1346 [20:59] <DiskDaemon> Hippeman10: good luck there man
#1347 [20:59] <TheNytangel> CrusaderDeleters: go look at them
#1348 [20:59] <CrusaderDeleters> Hope you get your account back./
#1349 [20:59] <CrusaderDeleters> I already did.
#1350 [21:00] <Blood_Mind> what's that?
#1351 [21:00] <Hippeman10> but the password reset thing still doesnt work :(
#1352 [21:00] <CrusaderDeleters> Alright, so you don't have it.
#1353 [21:00] <Hippeman10> Aghhh
#1354 [21:00] <Hippeman10> FML
#1355 [21:00] <Hippeman10> dueces
#1356 [21:00] <TheNytangel> CrusaderDeleters: laugh
#1357 [21:00] <CrusaderDeleters> :I
#1358 [21:01] <CrusaderDeleters> Remind me to never help him again.
#1359 [21:01] <Blood_Mind> k
#1360 [21:01] <CrusaderDeleters> He didn't even spell it right.
#1361 [21:02] <CrusaderDeleters> [20:59] CrusaderDeleters Hope you get your account back./
#1362 [21:02] <DiskDaemon> I find that when people start raging, it helps to get more and more polite to them. They're then not getting what they need.
#1363 [21:02] <CrusaderDeleters> After all the crap he has actually given us, I hoped him his account back.
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#1365 [21:04] <DiskDaemon> Blood_Mind: What about that minecraft forum thread that details the tricky technique to still play classic, and the video they have showing that too?
#1366 [21:04] <DiskDaemon> http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1134063-minecraft-classic-black-screen-fix/
#1367 [21:04] <Blood_Mind> one monment, ill try again
#1368 [21:06] <Blood_Mind> oh, that only works for Mac, i have Windows, ive tried
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#1370 [21:07] <DiskDaemon> Classic is old and creaky now, especially what with java updating to Java 7. Have you tried uninstalling 7 and installing Java 6, then confirming at http://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=java%20version&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CGQQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fjavatester.org%2Fversion.html&ei=3XPiT7W_HIjfmAWfj6npAw&usg=AFQjCNHSJrEvITnjZFnBkOS5mdSINmP-rg that you actually do have Java 6?
#1371 [21:08] <DiskDaemon> pardon, confirming at http://java.com/en/download/index.jsp that you have Java 6
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#1373 [21:09] <Blood_Mind> one moment
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#1375 [21:14] <Blood_Mind> brb
#1376 [21:15] <CrusaderDeleters> August 26, 2010.
#1377 [21:15] <CrusaderDeleters> The day that kinda changed my life.
#1378 [21:15] <CrusaderDeleters> Without minecraft, I wouldn't have a passion for coding.
#1379 [21:16] <TheNytangel> CrusaderDeleters: when there's no one around except me, I'm all like "ERRRHAHAHAERRHAHAHAHAHAHERRRRR"
#1380 [21:17] <TheNytangel> Which is what I'm doing looking at imgur photos :P
#1381 [21:17] <CrusaderDeleters> Uhm, what? :I
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#1383 [21:20] <DiskDaemon> Blood_Mind: To help the classic version get off to a fresh start, you should clear out the old information that it was storing on your computer.
#1384 [21:20] <DiskDaemon> ??> Blood_Mind win/.minecraft
#1385 [21:20] <VoxelHead> Blood_Mind: (win/.minecraft) To get at Minecraft's locally stored files on Windows, press Win+R, and in the window that appears, type "%AppData%", and click OK. The folder you want is ".minecraft".
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#1387 [21:20] <DiskDaemon> Delete the contents inside of that .minecraft folder, to let the Classic version download load a fresh set of files for you
#1388 [21:23] <Blood_Mind> k im back, and ok
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#1390 [21:25] <Blood_Mind> ive already done that
#1391 [21:25] <DiskDaemon> Then we're at and end of what I can help you with
#1392 [21:25] <DiskDaemon> s/and/an
#1393 [21:25] <Blood_Mind> what?
#1394 [21:26] <DiskDaemon> Then we're at an end of what I can help you with
#1395 [21:26] <CrusaderDeleters> He cannot help you any further, he doesn't know what the problem is.
#1396 [21:26] <Blood_Mind> aww, there's nothing else you can recommend?
#1397 [21:26] <Blood_Mind> oh
#1398 [21:26] <CrusaderDeleters> Blood, I'll try to see if I can help you.
#1399 [21:26] <Blood_Mind> ok
#1400 [21:26] <bcalkins17> what would cause a sudden preformace change in minecraft
#1401 [21:26] <CrusaderDeleters> A break in hardware.
#1402 [21:26] <DiskDaemon> Buying the game, or trying it on different computer. Classic works here, and my premium works fine too.
#1403 [21:27] <bcalkins17> no fps going +
#1404 [21:27] <CrusaderDeleters> Blood, can you gimme a list of all programs you have?
#1405 [21:27] <Blood_Mind> is there an app for that?
#1406 [21:27] <CrusaderDeleters> Kinda. XD
#1407 [21:27] <DiskDaemon> bcalkins17: What sort of performance change? The F3 screen shows a graph that indicates what parts take up which time. What part is taking longer than normal?
#1408 [21:28] <CrusaderDeleters> join #minecrafthelp2 , blood.
#1409 [21:28] <Blood_Mind> ok
#1410 [21:28] <CrusaderDeleters> A lot less other chat to mess us up.
#1411 [21:28] <Blood_Mind> how
#1412 [21:28] <CrusaderDeleters> clickie clickie on #minecrafthelp2
#1413 [21:28] <DiskDaemon> /join #minecrafthelp2
#1414 [21:29] <DiskDaemon> CrusaderDeleters: Some peoples IRC clients aren't quite as capable as others
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#1416 [21:29] <CrusaderDeleters> I know.
#1417 [21:29] <CrusaderDeleters> But I saw him join, I was about to say /join
#1418 [21:29] <DiskDaemon> good one
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#1420 [21:32] <CrusaderDeleters> Disk, I'm checking if he can use the WoM client.
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#1422 [21:34] <DiskDaemon> Ahh, intersting. I haven't dealt with that
#1423 [21:35] <CrusaderDeleters> He cannot.
#1424 [21:35] <DiskDaemon> Can he confirm that Java 7 is uninstalled? Even if Java 6 is installed, Java 7 seems to cause fail on Classic if it's around anywhere.
#1425 [21:35] <CrusaderDeleters> Oh crud, you CANNOT use the classic minecraft.jar with the minecraft premium client.
#1426 [21:36] <CrusaderDeleters> Blood_Mind: Do you have java 7 uninstalled?
#1427 [21:36] <CrusaderDeleters> Disk, somehow, java 7 installed itself onto my computer. :o
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#1429 [21:37] <DiskDaemon> CrusaderDeleters: If he goes to http://javatester.org/version.html he can let us know what it says there, for example: Java Version: 1.7.0_05
#1430 [21:37] <CrusaderDeleters> Hold on, I might have to teamviewer him.
#1431 [21:38] <CrusaderDeleters> >>? blood_mind teamviewer
#1432 [21:38] <CrusaderDeleters> Disk, I fail, can you do it?
#1433 [21:38] <DiskDaemon> ??>
#1434 [21:38] <CrusaderDeleters> Gotcha
#1435 [21:38] <CrusaderDeleters> ??> blood_mind teamviewer
#1436 [21:38] <VoxelHead> blood_mind: (teamviewer) Teamviewer is remote access software, which enables other people to, with your permission, access your computer remotely and attempt to perform troubleshooting and diagnostics.
#1437 [21:38] <VoxelHead> blood_mind: (teamviewer) Teamviewer's website is here: http://www.teamviewer.com/en/index.aspx
#1438 [21:38] <CrusaderDeleters> Speaking of which, I must go there myself
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#1440 [21:41] <CrusaderDeleters> Ohai marc./
#1441 [21:42] <DiskDaemon> Marc_IRL: We had someone on here before trying to get their account unhacked, but is there any point in passing such info on to people such as yourself if they don't have a transaction id or other proof of purchase?
#1442 [21:42] <CrusaderDeleters> Marc could try to see if the email was wrong, but we did not get their username.
#1443 [21:43] <Marc_IRL> DiskDaemon: No, because I have to prove they own the account. They should just view the article on help.mojang.com, and if it doesn't help, contact us from that article.
#1444 [21:43] <DiskDaemon> Indeed, that's the path that we took :)
#1445 [21:44] <Marc_IRL> Anyone know anything about this? http://pastebin.com/E9dSeeTi
#1446 [21:44] <DiskDaemon> Marc_IRL: Out of date video drivers
#1447 [21:44] <CrusaderDeleters> Dang, you beat me, disk! D:
#1448 [21:44] <DiskDaemon> Marc_IRL: Was that from a hs_err_pid file?
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#1450 [21:44] <Marc_IRL> yeah
#1451 [21:44] <CrusaderDeleters> Ahh, I remember when hs_err_pids were created.
#1452 [21:44] <DiskDaemon> Definately video drivers then.
#1453 [21:45] <Marc_IRL> It's all gibberish to me
#1454 [21:45] <CrusaderDeleters> 0.0
#1455 [21:45] <CrusaderDeleters> Marc, anything OpenGL is prolly gcards.
#1456 [21:45] <DiskDaemon> Marc_IRL: Something that can help in extreme situations, is to remove all existing chipset and video drivers using a program such as Driver Sweeper
#1457 [21:45] <DiskDaemon> Then reinstall the drivers from the most recent ones that can be downloaded
#1458 [21:46] <Marc_IRL> Hmm. Offering someone that advice as me is a slippery slope. I don't understand the error, and I can't personally stand behind the fix.
#1459 [21:46] <CrusaderDeleters> Marc, you should learn java.
#1460 [21:46] <CrusaderDeleters> At least a little.
#1461 [21:47] <DiskDaemon> Marc_IRL: If need be we can use the dxdiag information to get precise details on their chipset, and track down drivers that way
#1462 [21:47] <Marc_IRL> I took two quarters of it a year or so ago. Made a basic text game or two, but that's the extent of my programming.
#1463 [21:47] <DiskDaemon> Such as, "PCI\VEN_1039&DEV_6325&SUBSYS_00581462&REV_00"
#1464 [21:48] <DiskDaemon> That was from yesterday, when someone had an SiS 651 video chip from 2003 that they were trying to get going. Partial success was achieved until they had to go, but they should be back today to carry on too
#1465 [21:49] <Marc_IRL> My computer sucked at playing Minecraft. So I bought two newer, better computers ^_^
#1466 [21:50] <Marc_IRL> And hey, I don't have problems anymore!
#1467 [21:50] <DiskDaemon> Yeah, they were using a computer they got second hand from someone else. Troubleshooting began by trying to find out their computer make and model, and educating them that the monitor make/model are not able to help with things :)
#1468 [21:52] <NinjaKirby> What if it's a CRT and in the end it was just 60hz flickering producing Eye strain, thus instead it wasn't the Game itself with a graphical rendering issue.
#1469 [21:52] <CrusaderDeleters> 60hz produces eye strain?
#1470 [21:52] <DiskDaemon> Would those sort of monitor issues result in hs_err_pid files?
#1471 [21:52] <NinjaKirby> On a CRT, why not.
#1472 [21:53] <CrusaderDeleters> CRT are cool. They last longer, and don't break as easily with impact as the other tv/monitor types.;
#1473 [21:53] <DiskDaemon> Thus proving there to be a business incentive to stock other than CRT, for ongoing sales
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#1483 [22:04] <mukti> I'm getting an error when I try to run minecraft in a Win7 VM: https://gist.github.com/2963413
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#1485 [22:04] <Blood_Mind> This is CruasderDEleters using teamviewer from Bloods computer. He does have JAva 7, and java 6. Nothing will uninstall.
#1486 [22:04] <mukti> Does anyone know how I could get this working?
#1487 [22:05] <DiskDaemon> ??> mukti error/pixelformat
#1488 [22:05] <VoxelHead> mukti: (error/pixelformat) Bad video card drivers! ... org.lwjgl.LWJGLException: Pixel format not accelerated
#1489 [22:05] <VoxelHead> mukti: (error/pixelformat) This error message occurs when minecraft can't find graphics drivers with which it can render the game. Caused by improperly installed or missing video drivers. Installing or reinstalling your video drivers usually fixes this problem.
#1490 [22:05] <DiskDaemon> CrusaderDeleters: Good luck on the uninstallation. I believe there are some tools that can help to force it out
#1491 [22:05] <Blood_Mind> Disk, any cause for java to fail to uninstall? I attempted to delete jre7 folder and "uninstall", bringing up the failsafe error, however 7 didn't uninstall from the list.
#1492 [22:05] <Blood_Mind> Mkay.
#1493 [22:06] <mukti> The problem I have is that it is in a VM, so it is using a "VirtualBox Graphic Adapter"
#1494 [22:06] <DiskDaemon> CrusaderDeleters: http://www.java.com/en/download/help/regkey_addremove.xml
#1495 [22:06] <mukti> I don't think I can uninstall/reinstall it
#1496 [22:07] <DiskDaemon> mukti: That info was for CrusaderDeleters/Blood_Mind
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#1498 [22:07] <mukti> Oh, so it just isn't compatible with the Virtual graphics adapter?
#1499 [22:07] <DiskDaemon> mukti: What sort of virtual machine are you using?
#1500 [22:07] <xales> mukti: You aren't going to be able to play it with that.
#1501 [22:08] <xales> Minecraft requires hardware-accelerated OpenGL.
#1502 [22:08] <xales> As it is a "virtual" adapter, there is no hardware with which to accelerate it (and I don't think VirtualBox supports virtualizing that).
#1503 [22:08] <mukti> ah
#1504 [22:08] <mukti> well it was worth a shot
#1505 [22:08] <xales> However, Minecraft will run on any operating system that Java supports, which is...pretty much anything.
#1506 [22:09] <xales> Why are you trying to run it in a VM in the first place?
#1507 [22:09] <mukti> On linux, java makes my computer run extremely hot. I figured it would do the same in a Windows VM, but I thought I could try anyway
#1508 [22:10] <xales> Running in a VM, if anything, would only make that worse.
#1509 [22:10] <mukti> I ran minecraft for 15 min, and my CPU got up to 93C
#1510 [22:10] <xales> Err, wow. You have a cooling problem.
#1511 [22:10] <mukti> I figured, but wasn't entirely sure
#1512 [22:10] <DiskDaemon> A VM putrs even more strain on the computer than it would when runnig natively
#1513 [22:10] <mukti> xales: it only happens with java
#1514 [22:11] <DiskDaemon> Yes, java is a fat heavy bloated beast
#1515 [22:11] <xales> Are you using any other applications that are using the hardware to the same extent?
#1516 [22:11] <mukti> nope
#1517 [22:11] <xales> Then that would be why.
#1518 [22:11] <xales> A liberal application of compressed air would likely resolve the issue.
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#1520 [22:11] <mukti> As a one time solution, or do you mean constantly spraying it?
#1521 [22:12] <xales> No, just clean out the fans/interior.
#1522 [22:12] <DiskDaemon> And if you don't feel up to cleaning things out, there are computer technicians who can do that for you instead
#1523 [22:12] <xales> Especially if the computer is more than a few months old, dust tends to collect, which leads to issues such as this.
#1524 [22:12] <mukti> I'm using a rather new laptop, and there isn't any noticeable dust, etc. I'll give it a shot though
#1525 [22:13] <DiskDaemon> Laptops tend to be a different story
#1526 [22:13] <DiskDaemon> What sort of laptop do you have there?
#1527 [22:13] <mukti> Thinkpad T420
#1528 [22:13] <Blood_Mind> A thinkpad? 0.0 Also, disk,
#1529 [22:14] <DiskDaemon> yep?
#1530 [22:14] <xales> mukti: Do you have the one with the Intel graphics, or NVIDIA Quadro?
#1531 [22:14] <Blood_Mind> I looked through all the registery keys, and found only 6 update 23. Everything else was inexistant.
#1532 [22:14] <mukti> It has an NVIDIA NVS 2400m (not a high end card)
#1533 [22:15] <mukti> under Windows it had Optimus support, but I run linux, so I just disabled the integrated graphics
#1534 [22:15] <xales> That might be part of the issue. I would still try cleaning it, but that's a workstation card, not a gaming card.
#1535 [22:16] <xales> Minecraft doesn't use OpenGL properly, so it's possible that card could choke on it and get really hot.
#1536 [22:16] <DiskDaemon> Blood_Mind: You can use CCleaner to remove any remaining uninstall entries
#1537 [22:16] <mukti> Yeah, luckily this isn't the main machine I use to play MC. I just thought it would be nice to have haha
#1538 [22:16] <xales> But, even so, the hardware shouldn't get that hot, so I'd try de-dusting it.
#1539 [22:17] <xales> There are also "laptop cooler" pads, though that would probably defeat the purpose.
#1540 [22:17] <DiskDaemon> Blood_Mind: Just ensure with the java version page, and from the control panel page for Java, that you only have the one installed
#1541 [22:17] <Blood_Mind> Alright.
#1542 [22:18] <mukti> xales: yeah, I'll take a look at it when I get a chance. Should I use a can of compressed air, or would a industrial compressor set to a low PSI work as well?
#1543 [22:18] <DiskDaemon> At the control panel Java page, you would go to the Java tab > View to list ones that it knows about
#1544 [22:18] <DiskDaemon> The can of compressed air will do a better job
#1545 [22:19] <mukti> I'll try and pick one up then. It's probably a good idea to have one around anyway haha
#1546 [22:19] <DiskDaemon> Use an industrial compressor on big desktop boxes to get the worst of the rubbish out, then the can of compressed air to focus on nooks and crannies
#1547 [22:19] <Blood_Mind> Disk, ping Crus if you need me. Blood is afk and left me to fix via his computer.
#1548 [22:19] <Blood_Mind> her
#1549 [22:19] <DiskDaemon> CrusaderDeleters: will do
#1550 [22:19] <Blood_Mind> I thought you were a her.
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#1552 [22:23] <Blood_Mind> Oh, bad computer. It's missing a certain dll required to uninstall java 6 u 26
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#1554 [22:25] <DiskDaemon> CrusaderDeleters: Use JavaRa which helps you with the removal http://majorgeeks.com/JavaRA_d5982.html
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#1557 [22:27] <shadowkirby_64> Hello, I wrote a small letter to jeb over twitter, but I realize that might not be the bast way to contact him.
#1558 [22:27] <ShaRose> about what
#1559 [22:27] <ShaRose> because we might be able to answer any questions
#1560 [22:28] <shadowkirby_64> Is there another way to contact mojang? I looked through the help section on the website, but my topic was not there.
#1561 [22:28] <xales> shadowkirby_64: What, specifically, do you want to contact them about?
#1562 [22:29] <shadowkirby_64> mostly about ports to handheld game systems.
#1563 [22:29] <xales> Can you be more specific?
#1564 [22:31] <shadowkirby_64> I would like to see a port of minecraft on either the PSVita, or the Nintendo 3DS. (not unlike the 360 version.)
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#1566 [22:31] <Blood_Mind> Error 1723 - DLL missing in java uninstallation process. Dang you java.
#1567 [22:31] <Blood_Mind> hey, just dont install too much stuff ok?
#1568 [22:31] <Blood_Mind> I won't.
#1569 [22:31] <xales> shadowkirby_64: Are you wanting to *develop* such a port, or do you merely wishing to inquire if there ever will be one?
#1570 [22:32] <shadowkirby_64> Actually, either would work, but mostly the second.
#1571 [22:32] <Marc_IRL> I don't think there are any plans beyond iOS, Android, and Xbox
#1572 [22:32] <Marc_IRL> At least, none that I've heard of
#1573 [22:33] <Marc_IRL> Who knows, maybe that'll change in the future, but porting Minecraft takes a lot of time and resources, and basically requires it to be re-coded for the new control interface each time.
#1574 [22:33] <xales> shadowkirby_64: And there's your info. :p
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#1576 [22:34] <shadowkirby_64> Yes, I had heard that too. However, I would like to state why I believe it would be a good idea. (for Mojang)
#1577 [22:34] <Wortho27> ow
#1578 [22:34] <Wortho27> it's dark
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#1580 [22:34] <Marc_IRL> Besides the mountains of cash?
#1581 [22:34] <ShaRose> ^
#1582 [22:34] <shadowkirby_64> Yes.
#1583 [22:35] <Marc_IRL> Basically, you're preaching to the choir here. If we could get Minecraft on every system with no effort, I'm sure it'd happen, because sales would shoot through the roof and I could buy a new car :-)
#1584 [22:35] <Marc_IRL> It's just a question of resources
#1585 [22:35] <CrusaderDeleters> I guess I'll have to clean up 3 times.
#1586 [22:35] <Jrjy3> I'm sure there's plenty of professional businesses out there willing to port minecraft to other systems
#1587 [22:36] <ShaRose> Marc_IRL how much did it cost mojang to port it to xbox360
#1588 [22:36] <Jrjy3> As long as they get some of the profits
#1589 [22:36] <Marc_IRL> But just because you have a successful game doesn't mean that you should attempt to whore it out to every company willing to put it on something else
#1590 [22:36] <ShaRose> if you can say it / if you know etc
#1591 [22:36] <Marc_IRL> ShaRose: I don't have those numbers, and couldn't give them if I did
#1592 [22:36] <ShaRose> thought so
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#1594 [22:36] <Marc_IRL> Business questions are more of a Daniel K thing
#1595 [22:37] <xales> ShaRose: More than $1 and less than the debt of the United States (I hope)
#1596 [22:37] <Wortho27> port Minecraft to computercraft
#1597 [22:37] * Wortho27 is doing it wrong
#1597 [22:37] <shadowkirby_64> Think about it, though. most younger gamers have a nintendo 3ds, or a playstation Vita.
#1598 [22:37] <ShaRose> xales if I were going to take a stab at it I'd say probably cost them a few million, and then you include the support contracts etc
#1599 [22:38] <Marc_IRL> The Xbox 360 port took a year or two of coordination between Microsoft, 4J, and Mojang, and cost all kinds of money in development and advertising. It's not as easy as "You should do this" and they said "Why didn't we think of that?"
#1600 [22:38] <Wortho27> never even heard of a vita since a week ago
#1601 [22:38] <Wortho27> o_o
#1602 [22:38] <ShaRose> shadowkirby_64 yes and think about it that those are all VERY heavily memory contrainted
#1603 [22:38] <ShaRose> it was hard to do the xbox one
#1604 [22:38] <ShaRose> because of memory
#1605 [22:38] <Marc_IRL> Even the Xbox has memory restrictions
#1606 [22:38] <Marc_IRL> Yeah
#1607 [22:38] <Marc_IRL> Heck, loads of PCs have trouble running Minecraft
#1608 [22:38] <shadowkirby_64> Not to mention how much a handhelp exclusivity contract would met you.
#1609 [22:38] <kranzzaris> shadowkirby_64: actually according to numbers they don't. both the PsVita and the Nintendo 3DS have not done nearly as well as the companies would have hoped for.
#1610 [22:38] <Kyle> Such as mine xD
#1611 [22:39] <Marc_IRL> I do believe it's public knowledge that there is currently an exclusivity contract with Microsoft/Xbox
#1612 [22:39] <Wortho27> how much RAM does an xbox have?
#1613 [22:39] <Wortho27> or am i doing it wrong again
#1614 [22:39] <Jrjy3> I have an i7 2.7 GHz with 2 gig of ram allocated to minecraft and I get about 30 fps. sometimes less, sometimes more
#1615 [22:39] <ShaRose> 512mb
#1616 [22:39] <Marc_IRL> 512 MB GDDR3 RAM ?
#1617 [22:40] <ShaRose> yeah
#1618 [22:40] <shadowkirby_64> This was the second question I had. Does the exclusivity contract apply simply to home consoles, or handhelds as well?
#1619 [22:41] <Marc_IRL> I'm unsure of the details. All I know is that Notch once tweeted that Microsoft was paying us buckets of money to keep it with them.
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#1621 [22:41] <Marc_IRL> As is typical with exclusivity contracts
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#1623 [22:41] <kranzzaris> Although if the exclusivity contract ran up, would Mojang look into possibly making it for the Wii U? Judging from the control setup and the interface it seems like it would have been the best fit for consoles had it been out earlier. Is this something that Mojang might look into Marc_IRL?
#1624 [22:41] <Marc_IRL> You'd have to ask a business person
#1625 [22:41] <basketball22> how do you use your skin in the downloaded version not on site
#1626 [22:41] <Marc_IRL> Also, I am super unimpressed with the Wii U so far. That console is being designed to die in a fire.
#1627 [22:42] <Jrjy3> The thing is, people might not buy the Wii U. There isn't that much excitement for the Wii U. Just the Zombie U game
#1628 [22:42] <ShaRose> basketball22 it's automatic
#1629 [22:42] <xales> basketball22: Just set the skin on the website.
#1630 [22:42] <kranzzaris> Ahh ok, just thought I would ask.
#1631 [22:42] <Marc_IRL> http://penny-arcade.com/report/editorial-article/nintendo-has-two-choices-fix-the-wii-u-marketing-or-get-screwed
#1632 [22:42] <Marc_IRL> That system has so much potential, and I think Nintendo is going to screw it up
#1633 [22:42] <shadowkirby_64> ^this
#1634 [22:42] <basketball22> you mean to download the reference skin on mc . net then....
#1635 [22:42] <shadowkirby_64> Well, of course.
#1636 [22:42] <Marc_IRL> Imagine using the tablet controller as a livemap of the game
#1637 [22:42] <kranzzaris> I would be imensly sad.
#1638 [22:43] <Marc_IRL> Or an inventory screen
#1639 [22:43] <shadowkirby_64> Nope, gimmicks
#1640 [22:43] <kranzzaris> I know! I was thinking about that and the possibilites and pondering how it would work in code.
#1641 [22:43] <xales> basketball22: You set your skin on the website. That is all you do to use it.
#1642 [22:43] <xales> Regardless of how you launch the game.
#1643 [22:43] <Kyle> Isn't Microsoft's SmartGlass to do the same thing?
#1644 [22:44] <kranzzaris> I think the Wii U has so much potential as a next gen system it is ridiculous. It just needs more launch titles to increase hype and they need to start revealing more information to get people excited
#1645 [22:44] <basketball22> what do you mean set my skin on the website? my skin does come up one the in browser one
#1646 [22:45] <xales> basketball22: Then it will also show up if you use the downloaded launcher.
#1647 [22:46] <Marc_IRL> I am cautiously optimistic about SmartGlass
#1648 [22:47] <Jrjy3> SmartGlass seems like it should have happened a long time ago
#1649 [22:47] <kranzzaris> Hey Marc_IRL how is it working at the new Mojang office with the crew? I have made it my goal to travel to Sweeden and possibly do an internship...? If such a thing would be possible in the future.
#1650 [22:47] <Marc_IRL> I love my Xbox, and if that wants to make my experience more magical, then that's great. Maybe 4J would even consider adding a map mode to it.
#1651 [22:47] <Marc_IRL> kranzzaris: I'm one of the employees that works from home. I'm actually based out of Seattle, WA.
#1652 [22:47] <kranzzaris> The Smartglass looks good. It too could go horribly wrong.
#1653 [22:48] <Marc_IRL> I'm hoping to visit the office when I fly out for Minecon
#1654 [22:48] <Jrjy3> Wait... You're hired by Mojang and you work in the US?
#1655 [22:48] <kranzzaris> Oh ok.
#1656 [22:48] <Kyle> That's what I was thinking, since they are supporting Kinect for Minecraft, SmartGlass would be cool too.
#1657 [22:48] <Wortho27> not to mention asking the store clerk for a Wii U. the constant scream of WIIYOUWIIYOU would attract many firemen
#1658 [22:48] <ShaRose> kranzzaris what would you intern for :S
#1659 [22:48] <kranzzaris> That makes sense. Man you must not like being out of the loop... =/
#1660 [22:48] <Marc_IRL> It does suck being out of the loop
#1661 [22:48] <Wortho27> but why would you ask for a piece of tat, anyway
#1662 [22:49] <Kyle> Map/Inventory on it would be amazing.
#1663 [22:49] <Marc_IRL> But I can do my job remotely. Two of my team members are also in washington state, former coworkers of mine.
#1664 [22:49] <ShaRose> Marc_IRL really, all of mojang could
#1665 [22:49] <ShaRose> they use github for the code :V
#1666 [22:50] <Marc_IRL> Well, and some do. Like Dinnerbone is in the UK, for now. The other Bukkit guys are remote as well.
#1667 [22:50] <Marc_IRL> If you're interested: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Marc_Watson
#1668 [22:50] <ShaRose> yeah, but they all have to move
#1669 [22:50] <ShaRose> you don't
#1670 [22:50] <ShaRose> :V
#1671 [22:50] <Marc_IRL> I think Dinnerbone is the only one who is going to move
#1672 [22:50] <Marc_IRL> Maybe EvilSeph. I can't remember.
#1673 [22:50] <Wortho27> seph is a nice guy
#1674 [22:50] <Marc_IRL> The four of them are each from four different countries, and all work remotely. That's one of the cool things about doing stuff over the web.
#1675 [22:51] <ShaRose> nah, they've said before first thing they ask you is 'are you willing to move to sweden'
#1676 [22:51] <Wortho27> he hangs around on twitch.tv a lot
#1677 [22:51] <Marc_IRL> This is based off of a recent conversation with Dinnerbone
#1678 [22:52] <Marc_IRL> If you want to argue secondhand knowledge over two employees... :p
#1679 [22:52] <ShaRose> wonder why dinner'd have to move them :S
#1680 [22:52] <ShaRose> then*
#1681 [22:52] <Marc_IRL> Being from the UK, it was easier for him to move. The others are from Canada and the US, which is hard to move to Sweden (if anyone follows Lydia, they know how hard it is), and the last one is from... Finland? I can't remember.
#1682 [22:53] <ShaRose> ah
#1683 [22:54] <kranzzaris> Yeah Lydia has been going through all sorts of hasstles with moving.
#1684 [22:54] <kranzzaris> *problems
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#1686 [22:54] <kranzzaris> Didn't she just get cleared?
#1687 [22:56] <Wortho27> silverfish should come out of books (written books) when they havn't been opened for a long period of minecraft time :U
#1688 [22:57] <kranzzaris> Dx that would destroy my sp world....
#1689 [22:58] <Wortho27> silverfish tend to hide in bibles all the time xD
#1690 [22:58] <Kyle> BAM!
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#1692 [22:59] <Marc_IRL> But real world silverfish don't kill you :p
#1693 [23:00] <DiskDaemon> true, and real world skeletons don't fire arrows at you - there's a certain license applied to reality in there :)
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#1695 [23:00] <Wortho27> creepers don't blow when they get near you
#1696 [23:00] <Wortho27> irl
#1697 [23:01] <Blood_Mind> thnx a bunch Crusade, bye guys
#1698 [23:01] <Wortho27> so yeah
#1699 [23:01] <CrusaderDeleters> Cya all.
#1700 [23:01] <Wortho27> silverfish in books, say 'i'
#1701 [23:01] <Wortho27> :D
#1702 [23:01] <kranzzaris> Yeah they only stare awkwardly and make awkward advances... xD
#1703 [23:01] <CrusaderDeleters> Gnight, nao.
#1704 [23:01] <DiskDaemon> CrusaderDeleters: How'd it go in there?
#1705 [23:01] <CrusaderDeleters> Finally cleaned out java.
#1706 [23:02] <DiskDaemon> good job
#1707 [23:02] <CrusaderDeleters> Got one java in there, and it's 6, 33.
#1708 [23:02] <CrusaderDeleters> Did not run.
#1709 [23:02] <CrusaderDeleters> I am later going to try to get wom downloaded, and code a small .bat file for use with wom.exe.
#1710 [23:02] <CrusaderDeleters> Pepper is stalking me! D:
#1711 [23:02] <DiskDaemon> THat's a shame, it must be something else causing an issue with Classic on her machine then
#1712 [23:03] <CrusaderDeleters> Yeah.
#1713 [23:03] <CrusaderDeleters> This is a tough error.
#1714 [23:03] <Kyle> Actually, something nice would be nice would the worlds being sent to the recycling bin once deleted via game. I was cleaning out saves the other day and thought I selected another world, but nope, it was my Creative world.
#1715 [23:03] <CrusaderDeleters> lol
#1716 [23:03] <DiskDaemon> CrusaderDeleters: A next step might be to run classic from the command line, and get some error log info
#1717 [23:03] <CrusaderDeleters> it should have automatically deleted thje level.
#1718 [23:04] <CrusaderDeleters> That's what I was planning, disk. Using the .bat would bring up the Command prompt and see any errors coming from it.
#1719 [23:04] <CrusaderDeleters> Plus wom is a lovely little sort to own.
#1720 [23:04] <CrusaderDeleters> WEll, I msut be heading to bed.
#1721 [23:04] <CrusaderDeleters> Good ngiht.
#1722 [23:04] <DiskDaemon> g'night
#1723 [23:04] <DiskDaemon> g'night
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#1726 [23:09] <viveleroi> I can certainly volunteer to help a bi
#1727 [23:09] <viveleroi> t
#1728 [23:10] <DiskDaemon> viveleroi: Thanks for the vote of support
#1729 [23:11] <viveleroi> I've run a pretty dang successful server for a year and have played a little bit longer, so I kinda know a lot. lol
#1730 [23:11] <Wortho27> one does not simply accidentally post a /r/funny post to /r/minecraft and expect to get away with it
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#1732 [23:12] <DiskDaemon> viveleroi: Mind if we go through an exercise where you help me resolve a server issue then?
#1733 [23:12] <viveleroi> I'll try
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#1735 [23:12] <DiskDaemon> okay - I have a minecraft server on this laptop, and my desktop doesn't want to see the server on there
#1736 [23:13] <viveleroi> what ip address are you trying
#1737 [23:13] <DiskDaemon> Both the local and external ip
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#1740 [23:14] <Eddie> what?
#1741 [23:14] <viveleroi> my first guess is that your laptop has firewall software.. do you know of any firewall running that laptop?
#1742 [23:14] <Wortho27> lolwhat
#1743 [23:14] <DiskDaemon> only the default windows firewall
#1744 [23:15] <viveleroi> if you open minecraft on the laptop, can you see the server?
#1745 [23:15] <DiskDaemon> I'll just check
#1746 [23:16] <kranzzaris> Has anyone else experienced the bug where if you die with items in the enderchest, they disappear?
#1747 [23:16] <DiskDaemon> Yes, the laptop minecraft can see the server
#1748 [23:17] <viveleroi> if the server is running fine on the laptop then something is preventing outside traffic - I'm not super familiar with windows, but you should make sure that port 25565 (or whatever port you're using) is open
#1749 [23:18] <DiskDaemon> viveleroi: What would you suggest be done to check that port?
#1750 [23:18] <viveleroi> what version of windows are you on?
#1751 [23:19] <DiskDaemon> Windows 8 preview on the laptop, and Windows 7 on the desktop
#1752 [23:20] <viveleroi> this may possibly help you ensure the firewall port is open http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-DrB33kGH4
#1753 [23:20] <viveleroi> granted it's for windows 7, should be similar
#1754 [23:21] <DiskDaemon> Windows 8 no longer has the firewall available from the start menu
#1755 [23:22] <DiskDaemon> There is a solution to this problem, I fixed it earlier, and then deliberately broke it for the purpose of this exercise. How do you like the exercise so far?
#1756 [23:23] <viveleroi> how about this then: http://www.technoon.com/how-to-configure-firewall-settings-in-windows-8.html
#1757 [23:24] <viveleroi> granted I'm assuming the silly things like, your laptop is actually on your network?
#1758 [23:25] <viveleroi> wifi or ethernet cable is properly connected
#1759 [23:25] <DiskDaemon> nope, that metro interface looks different from the one that I'm using too
#1760 [23:25] <DiskDaemon> Yes, I'm typing from the laptop now.
#1761 [23:26] <DiskDaemon> I'll put up a screenshot of what my start menu metro interface looks like, for reference
#1762 [23:26] <viveleroi> I do not know windows, so I'm not sure how to help - the article states it's for windows8 which is what you have
#1763 [23:27] <DiskDaemon> What I have is called "Windows 8 Consumer Preview"
#1764 [23:28] <DiskDaemon> This is what the start menu on the laptop looks like http://imgur.com/o1Zna
#1765 [23:29] <DiskDaemon> viveleroi: Don't worry, I'll help you out here with the firewall. Hover at the top-right of the screen to show the jewels, in to Settings, and the Control Panel is how to get to the firewall.
#1766 [23:29] <DiskDaemon> viveleroi: I'm in the firewall. What should be done from there?
#1767 [23:29] <viveleroi> meh there's no way I'd have known that
#1768 [23:30] <viveleroi> I stopped using Windows seven years ago
#1769 [23:31] <DiskDaemon> Most of the people coming through this channel requiring help are using windows. It can help to know something about how to troubleshoot windows if you want to help in this channel.
#1770 [23:31] <DiskDaemon> So aside from the windows knowledge issue - what change to the firewall do you suggest?
#1771 [23:31] <kranzzaris> Add inbound exceptions for port 25565
#1772 [23:32] <viveleroi> ^ ;) Twas what I'd have said myself
#1773 [23:32] <kranzzaris> xD sorry
#1774 [23:32] <DiskDaemon> okay, adding tcp and udp inbound port rules for 25565
#1775 [23:32] <viveleroi> To clarify, I'm a mac/linux user
#1776 [23:33] <DiskDaemon> kranzzaris: We're trying an exercise for the benefit of viveleroi at this stage
#1777 [23:34] <DiskDaemon> viveleroi: Port rules are added to the inbound rules for TCP and UDP on 25565. What next?
#1778 [23:37] <DiskDaemon> viveleroi: Are you there?
#1779 [23:38] <viveleroi> be sure to apply those changes, and try to connect
#1780 [23:38] <viveleroi> I'm assuming that windows doesn't need a reboot to apply that...
#1781 [23:39] <DiskDaemon> Yes, the rules are applied, no, a reboot isn't needed. Neither the local or external attemps from the desktop can see the laptop server yet
#1782 [23:40] <DiskDaemon> Oh hang on, the local connection from the desktop can see the laptop server now
#1783 [23:41] <DiskDaemon> viveleroi: How do you get the external ip going?
#1784 [23:41] <DiskDaemon> !check 202.0.57.62
#1785 [23:42] <viveleroi> you'll need to do a similar process with your internet router
#1786 [23:42] <DiskDaemon> Okay, what do you suggest with that?
#1787 [23:42] <DiskDaemon> The firewall in the router?
#1788 [23:43] <viveleroi> instructions came with your router or can be found online that direct to you the router firewall, to add 25565 their as well
#1789 [23:43] <DiskDaemon> Right, where are those instructions? My router is a Linksys but it's running dd-wrt software on it
#1790 [23:44] <DiskDaemon> It says - Firmware: DD-WRT v24-sp2 (11/02/09) std
#1791 [23:47] <viveleroi> I bet you guys often wish you can use http://lmgtfy.com/? ;)
#1792 [23:47] <DiskDaemon> yes indeed
#1793 [23:48] <viveleroi> I did mac tech support for a year a long time ago so I know the game
#1794 [23:48] <viveleroi> this may help you: http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Port_Forwarding#Configuring_Port_Forwarding
#1795 [23:49] <DiskDaemon> Ahh good one. I'll see what happens with that
#1796 [23:51] <DiskDaemon> Okay, I've added a port range forwarding for both tcp and udp on 25565 to the laptop ip, which is 192.168.1.115, and have saved those changes in the router
#1797 [23:51] <DiskDaemon> The Enable tick is ticked beside it too
#1798 [23:51] <DiskDaemon> !check 202.0.57.62
#1799 [23:52] <DiskDaemon> viveleroi: How did you like the exercise?
#1800 [23:52] <viveleroi> it was fine
#1801 [23:54] <DiskDaemon> I won't throw the one involving a second hand computer with an SiS 651 graphics chipset from 2003 that throws fs_err_pid errors when trying to start minecraft, at you