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#5 [00:09] <hotelmason> lol
#6 [00:09] <hotelmason> Ok
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#8 [00:09] <Hero_Lief> he's not here ye-
#9 [00:09] <Hero_Lief> there we are
#10 [00:09] <hotelmason> lol
#11 [00:09] <hotelmason> Anyways
#12 [00:10] <hotelmason> Hm
#13 [00:10] <hotelmason> What OS are you using wolf?
#14 [00:10] <that4chanwolf> I'm running it on Windows 7.
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#16 [00:10] <hotelmason> Ok
#17 [00:11] <hotelmason> 32 or 64 bit?
#18 [00:11] <that4chanwolf> 64bit.
#19 [00:11] <hotelmason> Ok
#20 [00:11] <hotelmason> Do you have java 64 bit aswell?
#21 [00:11] <that4chanwolf> Yes.
#22 [00:11] <hotelmason> Ok
#23 [00:12] <hotelmason> Hmm
#24 [00:12] <hotelmason> Are you using vanilla minecraft, no mods?
#25 [00:12] <that4chanwolf> No mods.
#26 [00:12] <hotelmason> Ok
#27 [00:12] <Hero_Lief> Both client and server are on 12w26a, 12w27a had issues so we reverted.
#28 [00:12] <hotelmason> Go to speedtest.net in a new tab and tell me those results.
#29 [00:13] <gamerD10> my game keeps turning black and i cant access it when i either launch the game login or join my favorite server ( killion detention center ) ( that might help but i don't know how as i experience login "blackouts" on a computer its not registered with ) this is both ono pc and mac
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#32 [00:15] <hotelmason> You there wolf?
#33 [00:15] <Hero_Lief> He's testing.
#34 [00:15] <hotelmason> OK
#35 [00:15] <hotelmason> Are you one the phone with eachother?
#36 [00:16] <Hero_Lief> No, IRC.
#37 [00:16] <Hero_Lief> <that4chanwolf> Oh god, these speeds I'm getting.....
#38 [00:16] <Hero_Lief> <that4chanwolf> I just, I don't even.
#39 [00:16] <Hero_Lief> <yttrium> how bad?
#40 [00:16] <Hero_Lief> <that4chanwolf> 0.02 upload ;_____;
#41 [00:16] <hotelmason> Oh my.
#42 [00:16] * Hero_Lief was muted for quoting
#42 [00:16] <Hero_Lief> Oh lawd...
#43 [00:16] <that4chanwolf> That was my reaction to.
#44 [00:16] <that4chanwolf> *too
#45 [00:17] <hotelmason> What was your ping?
#46 [00:17] <that4chanwolf> 50ms.
#47 [00:17] <hotelmason> Hm, not a bad/faulty connection
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#49 [00:18] <hotelmason> I think the prob is you guys are using snapshots, which are experimental, and have lots of bugs.
#50 [00:18] <Hero_Lief> I don't see why other people can connect and he can't, though.
#51 [00:19] <Hero_Lief> Also, up until 12w27a I never had an issue with a snapshot like this.
#52 [00:19] <Hero_Lief> ...And we reverted because of it.
#53 [00:19] <hotelmason> My personal reccomendation is to use 1.2.5 until the official release of 1.3 server comes out.
#54 [00:19] <hotelmason> Try reverting to 1.2.5, and try that,
#55 [00:20] <hotelmason> Anyway, im going to bed
#56 [00:20] <hotelmason> If you need me, email me at hotelmasondoesmc@gmail.com
#57 [00:20] <hotelmason> and I will see it when i wake up
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#59 [00:21] <hotelmason> so cya
#60 [00:21] <Devinsypoo> Goodnight!
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#63 [00:24] <jp_> I have my multiplayer server set up without using hamachi and every time I try to enter the world it says that I have an invalid server key
#64 [00:25] <DiskDaemon> Hero_Lief: I'm afraid that we don't support snapshots here, because they tend to be internal development code. Having said that we can suggest some things to try
#65 [00:25] <Hero_Lief> I think we've already figured out the issue, thanks.
#66 [00:26] <DiskDaemon> jp_: When did that problem begin?
#67 [00:26] <jp_> as soon as I tryed to make the multiplayer server
#68 [00:27] <DiskDaemon> Which version is that happening with?
#69 [00:28] <jp_> 1.2.5
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#71 [00:28] <DiskDaemon> jp_: Okay, I'll see what help I may be able to find for you with that
#72 [00:29] <jp_> okay thanks are you gonna give me a link to check out
#73 [00:29] <DiskDaemon> jp_: A report of one possible solution is at http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/797461-the-server-responded-with-an-invalid-server-key-error/#entry10335830
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#75 [00:30] <SerenityE> Hey guys can I get a hand quit lol
#76 [00:30] <DiskDaemon> jp_: Do you get the same issue when you connect to your server without using hamachi?
#77 [00:30] <jp_> Thanks I'll tell you if it worked or not.
#78 [00:30] <DiskDaemon> SerenityE: pardon?
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#81 [00:31] <jp_> It happened when I tryed both ways
#82 [00:31] <SerenityE> I cannot host a server, because even though my ports are forwarded correctly, they stay closed. ISP is not blocking, everything is as it should be.
#83 [00:31] <DiskDaemon> When do you get the message, and under what conditions?
#84 [00:32] <Guest50899> So, I'm having some issues with this error. EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION (0xc0000005) It's never happened before, any ideas as to what can fix it?
#85 [00:32] <DiskDaemon> SerenityE: First we test that you can connect using your local ip, then we move on from there to test a connection using an external ip
#86 [00:32] <DiskDaemon> Guest50899: Please paste the complete error report to pastebin
#87 [00:32] <DiskDaemon> ??> Guest50899 pastebin
#88 [00:32] <VoxelHead> Guest50899: (pastebin) Pastebin is a service run at http://www.pastebin.com/ which facilitates the sharing of information without flooding IRC channels. Paste your text there, click 'Submit', and give us the URL the site takes you to, and we can see what you have pasted.
#89 [00:32] <Guest50899> alrighty.
#90 [00:33] <DiskDaemon> ??> SerenityE dont/pm
#91 [00:33] <VoxelHead> SerenityE: (dont/pm) We prefer to assist people publicly, so that others can benefit if they have the similar questions. Please don't PM people who are assisting you unless they have asked you to, or you are sending private information.
#92 [00:34] <SerenityE> Alright.
#93 [00:34] <Guest50899> http://pastebin.com/bUuXms0V
#94 [00:34] <DiskDaemon> Guest50899: That "problematic frame" means that your graphics drivers are out of date
#95 [00:34] <DiskDaemon> Guest50899: We can help you with the process of updating them
#96 [00:34] <DiskDaemon> ??> Guest50899 win/dxdiag
#97 [00:34] <VoxelHead> Guest50899: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#98 [00:34] <VoxelHead> Guest50899: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
#99 [00:35] <SerenityE> Looks like my local ip did not work, which is the default 192.168.0.1 Even a static ip did not work.
#100 [00:35] <DiskDaemon> jp_: When do you get that error occurring. Is it outside of the client when you're starting the server?
#101 [00:35] <SerenityE> my external ip didnt work either.
#102 [00:35] <DiskDaemon> SerenityE: That's not your local ip, that's your router's address
#103 [00:36] <SerenityE> right sorry, i mixed those up
#104 [00:36] <SerenityE> the only thing that got even close to working is the static ip, which timed out.
#105 [00:36] <DiskDaemon> SerenityE: We can help you to find your local ip if you copy/paste the info from running this command at the command prompt: ipconfig
#106 [00:37] <DiskDaemon> SerenityE: Do you know how to open the command prompt?
#107 [00:37] <Guest50899> hang on a sec, issues with pastebin
#108 [00:37] <SerenityE> can i star out the confidential information? or is that not even necessary?
#109 [00:37] <jp_> Starting the server
#110 [00:37] <DiskDaemon> That's not necessary. There's no info in there that can be taken advantage of
#111 [00:38] <SerenityE> it should be noted that i have a bridged connection, meaning its going to give me a MAC address as ipv6
#112 [00:38] <DiskDaemon> jp_: Okay, delete that server file and download the one from minecraft.net again.
#113 [00:38] <jp_> okay hopefully it works
#114 [00:38] <DiskDaemon> SerenityE: In that case, you can use 127.0.0.1 to test on your local connection
#115 [00:39] <SerenityE> should i paste this in the chat, or pastebin it
#116 [00:39] <DiskDaemon> SerenityE: There's no need. Test connecting first using 127.0.0.1
#117 [00:40] <SerenityE> what do you mean by connecting? ping or portforwarding using the 127001 as the server ip
#118 [00:40] <jp_> Ive been using the .exe , should i try the .jar
#119 [00:40] <DiskDaemon> SerenityE: In what way does anyone perform a multiplayer connection to a server?
#120 [00:40] <DiskDaemon> jp_: Just download the exe that you are supposed to have from the website
#121 [00:41] <jp_> okay
#122 [00:41] <SerenityE> connection refused
#123 [00:41] <GreyVulpine> Is the server running SerenityE?
#124 [00:41] <DiskDaemon> SerenityE: Okay - so we need to find out what's preventing the communication from happening on your local machine first.
#125 [00:41] <VoxelHead> bye neen
#126 [00:41] <DiskDaemon> SerenityE: Start by temporarily disabling your firewall, to see if that's causing the issue
#127 [00:42] <SerenityE> firewall is always disabled, i have a personal firewall. But it is also turned off.
#128 [00:42] <GreyVulpine> SerenityE - Do you have the server currently running?
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#130 [00:42] <SerenityE> no 25565 does not open.
#131 [00:43] <GreyVulpine> What exactly does it say?
#132 [00:43] * GreyVulpine is betting server-ip is filled out
#132 [00:43] <SerenityE> pastebin?
#133 [00:43] <GreyVulpine> Please.
#134 [00:44] <SerenityE> http://pastebin.com/TjA4uLdW
#135 [00:44] <GreyVulpine> "Starting Minecraft server on 192.168.0.1:25565"
#136 [00:44] <jp_> Thank you sooooooooo much, it worked!!
#137 [00:44] <DiskDaemon> jp_: you're welcome
#138 [00:45] <GreyVulpine> Please go into the server.properties file, under the server-ip= argument, delete the 192.168.0.1
#139 [00:45] <GreyVulpine> Then start the server back up, and try connecting with 127.0.0.1 via your client
#140 [00:45] <SerenityE> done
#141 [00:46] <GreyVulpine> Is your client able to connect now?
#142 [00:46] <GreyVulpine> ;check SerenityE
#143 [00:46] <WugBot> cpe-216-47-33-153.hcinet.net:25565 is accepting connections.
#144 [00:46] <SerenityE> Connection refused: Connect
#145 [00:46] <GreyVulpine> Are you running the server on the same computer?
#146 [00:46] <SerenityE> yes
#147 [00:47] <GreyVulpine> Could you pastebin the server's console's output again?
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#149 [00:47] <SerenityE> same error, just no ip this time.
#150 [00:47] <Joey_> I need help
#151 [00:47] <SerenityE> just an asterisk
#152 [00:47] <GreyVulpine> Oh, close down any other server console you have open
#153 [00:47] <DiskDaemon> Joey_: sure, we can help
#154 [00:48] <Joey_> When im playing minecraft, about 10 minuts after playing things appear invisable and its impossible to play.
#155 [00:48] <SerenityE> okay
#156 [00:48] <SerenityE> done.
#157 [00:49] <DiskDaemon> Joey_: That sounds like a memory issue. Which texturepack are you running, and what mods?
#158 [00:49] <GreyVulpine> SerenityE - Now, launch the server only once, making sure that it's the only server console open. Then run minecraft and connect with 127.0.0.1
#159 [00:49] <Joey_> Im running just normal texture pack and optifine.
#160 [00:49] <DiskDaemon> Joey_: Okay, with optifine it's recommended to run Minecraft with some memory settings
#161 [00:49] <SerenityE> once again, same error
#162 [00:50] <Joey_> How do you do this?
#163 [00:50] <GreyVulpine> SerenityE - Could not bind?
#164 [00:50] <SerenityE> yep.
#165 [00:50] <GreyVulpine> SerenityE - Are you on windows?
#166 [00:50] <SerenityE> Windows 7 64bit
#167 [00:50] <SerenityE> ultimate
#168 [00:50] <GreyVulpine> SerenityE - Press ctrl-shift-esc to bring up the task manager. Go to the "processes" tab. Close any "java.exe" process you have.
#169 [00:51] <GreyVulpine> This will forceably shut down any server processes, and minecraft.
#170 [00:51] <SerenityE> there are none.
#171 [00:51] <GreyVulpine> Are you sure?
#172 [00:51] <SerenityE> Yes. I checked that when you told me to make sure there was no others, just to see if there was one in the background.
#173 [00:51] <DiskDaemon> Joey_: First remove all the mods, including optifine, and confirm for us that you no longer have that problem
#174 [00:52] <GreyVulpine> SerenityE - Could you close the server process, go into server.properties. Look for the port argument, and change it from 25565 to 25566. Save it and run the server again
#175 [00:52] <GreyVulpine> Run minecraft, connect with 127.0.0.1:25566
#176 [00:53] <SerenityE> failed to bind port, connection refused
#177 [00:53] <DiskDaemon> Joey_: We don't support mods here (even optifine) but I read on http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/919044-optifine-graphical-glitches/ that the multithreadded version of optifine is known to cause your glitch
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#179 [00:53] <zkxs> Could it be java 7?
#180 [00:54] <DiskDaemon> nope
#181 [00:54] <GreyVulpine> Usually doesn't do that.. usually it's a rogue application that's bound to that port.
#182 [00:54] <GreyVulpine> but, we just changed it to something that shouldn't be in use..
#183 [00:54] <SerenityE> Ive checked, my isp does not block ports. So im not sure
#184 [00:54] <GreyVulpine> No, this is something on your computer.
#185 [00:54] <DiskDaemon> GreyVulpine: Is it possible to use netstat to find out what has 25565?
#186 [00:55] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#187 [00:55] <SerenityE> ill do that now
#188 [00:55] <GreyVulpine> netstat -b
#189 [00:56] <SerenityE> this may take a while
#190 [00:56] <GreyVulpine> Probably should've recommended netstat -ab
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#192 [00:56] <SerenityE> Lol
#193 [00:56] <M> Sorry, internet crashed
#194 [00:57] <SerenityE> finished
#195 [00:57] <GreyVulpine> Pastebin it?
#196 [00:57] <M> Yeah, right now
#197 [00:57] <DiskDaemon> ??> Guest28575 win/dxdiag
#198 [00:57] <VoxelHead> Guest28575: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#199 [00:57] <VoxelHead> Guest28575: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
#200 [00:57] <SerenityE> http://pastebin.com/FYThpMTx
#201 [00:58] <Guest28575> http://pastebin.com/5PzyJvqr
#202 [00:58] <DiskDaemon> Currently you are running some fairly old graphics drivers, which are at version 6.14 - we can help you to find some more recent graphics drivers.
#203 [00:59] <DiskDaemon> ??> Guest28575 gpu/amd
#204 [00:59] <VoxelHead> Guest28575: (gpu/amd) You can get drivers for AMD (formerly ATI) video cards here: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/index.aspx
#205 [00:59] <Guest28575> please, that would be great.
#206 [00:59] <GreyVulpine> SerenityE - Is that all of it?
#207 [00:59] <SerenityE> Yes.
#208 [01:00] <GreyVulpine> I don't see port 25565 or 25566 being bound to anything in that output
#209 [01:00] <SerenityE> I dont see it on -ab either
#210 [01:01] <GreyVulpine> Could you pastebin the server.properties file, as well as the server's output?
#211 [01:01] <DiskDaemon> Is the netstat command being run from a command prompt with administration permissions?
#212 [01:02] <SerenityE> http://pastebin.com/SEASu8Kc
#213 [01:02] <SerenityE> yes it is, alwaqys
#214 [01:02] <SerenityE> alwyas
#215 [01:02] <SerenityE> ugh.
#216 [01:03] * GreyVulpine blinks and hmm
#216 [01:03] <DiskDaemon> I don't like to advise this, but it might be time for a restart
#217 [01:03] <GreyVulpine> I'm thinking the same thing
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#219 [01:03] <SerenityE> What do you mean by that.
#220 [01:04] <GreyVulpine> Restart the computer, run the server fresh after a reboot
#221 [01:04] <SerenityE> Ah, alright. Be back in about a minute.
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#223 [01:08] <DiskDaemon> There's also a prettier port monitor available called CurrPorts http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/cports.html
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#225 [01:09] <SerenityE> Hello
#226 [01:09] <DiskDaemon> hi there
#227 [01:10] <SerenityE> would you like me to retry
#228 [01:10] <GreyVulpine> Please do.
#229 [01:10] * epicalex360 [epicalex360@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#230 [01:10] <epicalex360> hi
#231 [01:11] <DiskDaemon> hi there
#232 [01:11] <epicalex360> go we cent talk in mine craft
#233 [01:11] <DiskDaemon> understanding eludes this one here
#234 [01:11] <GreyVulpine> ?? irc
#235 [01:11] <VoxelHead> irc: For IRC help, you should ask in the channel #help - you can get there using the command "/join #help"
#236 [01:11] <SerenityE> Failed again. Haha
#237 [01:11] <VoxelHead> irc: If you can't talk in #minecraft ("Cannot send to channel") you must register your IRC nickname, using the command "/msg NickServ REGISTER password email". Remember to use a valid email. Go to #help if you need further assistance with this
#238 [01:11] <VoxelHead> you will open your eyes... you have to breathe sometime
#239 [01:11] <epicalex360> how we cent talk in minecraft
#240 [01:11] <GreyVulpine> ^
#241 [01:11] <DiskDaemon> epicalex360: By following those instructions from VoxelHead
#242 [01:12] <epicalex360> wat
#243 [01:12] <GreyVulpine> SerenityE - What the... Are you sure no security software is blocking your ports?
#244 [01:12] <epicalex360> pls i realy need help
#245 [01:12] <SerenityE> Positive
#246 [01:12] <DiskDaemon> SerenityE: There's also a prettier port monitor available called CurrPorts http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/cports.html
#247 [01:12] <GreyVulpine> epicalex360 - <@VoxelHead> irc: If you can't talk in #minecraft ("Cannot send to channel") you must register your IRC nickname, using the command "/msg NickServ REGISTER password email". Remember to use a valid email. Go to #help if you need further assistance with this
#248 [01:13] <GreyVulpine> Read ^
#249 [01:13] <epicalex360> how cent i create a skin di i have to donlowd something
#250 [01:13] <GreyVulpine> Yes.
#251 [01:13] <DiskDaemon> epicalex360: #minecraft don't let you in until after you have registered your IRC nickname
#252 [01:13] <Andrio> They let you in; you just can't talk.
#253 [01:14] <DiskDaemon> haha, right :)
#254 [01:14] <SerenityE> Grey
#255 [01:14] <VoxelHead> r The latest plan is about to explode!
#256 [01:14] <epicalex360> were i register me irc name
#257 [01:14] <SerenityE> I think we have a problem
#258 [01:14] <GreyVulpine> SerenityE - Hmm?
#259 [01:14] <GreyVulpine> epicalex360 - By putting in the command:
#260 [01:14] <epicalex360> were
#261 [01:14] <GreyVulpine> /msg nickserv REGISTER email password
#262 [01:15] <SerenityE> Windows Firewall cannot change some of your settings. Error code 0x8007042c
#263 [01:15] <GreyVulpine> Replace email and password with your email and password
#264 [01:15] <epicalex360> you no wat go fuck your self dude
#265 [01:15] * AuBot kicked epicalex360 from #minecrafthelp (Reason: picalex360 :Please keep it civil.)
#266 [01:15] * GreyVulpine waves
#266 [01:15] <Andrio> ...
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#268 [01:15] <DiskDaemon> SerenityE: You are supposed to have your firewall disabled through all of this testing
#269 [01:15] <GreyVulpine> Well, congrats SerenityE, you have malware.
#270 [01:15] <epicalex360> how a create a skin
#271 [01:15] <SerenityE> Impossible O_O..
#272 [01:16] <epicalex360> yes we cent
#273 [01:16] <DiskDaemon> epicalex360: Your minecraft.net profile page is where you upload your skin
#274 [01:16] <GreyVulpine> That, or your other firewall is blocking windows firewall
#275 [01:16] <SerenityE> I have never had any sort of virus on this pc.
#276 [01:16] <SerenityE> that is possible.
#277 [01:17] <SerenityE> but the other one is turned off. Maybe my other firewall messed with some of the windows settings, turning off the windows one and disabling it while it is installed?
#278 [01:17] <DiskDaemon> What is the other software you are using for a firewall, something like zone alarm?
#279 [01:17] <SerenityE> PrivateFirewall
#280 [01:17] <SerenityE> SBSD
#281 [01:17] <SerenityE> MWB
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#283 [01:18] <DiskDaemon> Are SBSD and MWB supposed to mean something?
#284 [01:18] <SerenityE> Spybot Search & Destroy, Malwarebytes.
#285 [01:18] <DiskDaemon> Ahh.
#286 [01:18] <SerenityE> yessir
#287 [01:19] <GreyVulpine> Then I'm looking at PrivateFirewall...
#288 [01:19] <DiskDaemon> Those last two shouldn't interfere with things, to our knowledge
#289 [01:19] <SerenityE> PrivateFirewall is sketchy to say the least.
#290 [01:19] <|Kiichan|> ew.. spybot
#291 [01:19] <DiskDaemon> He's got his great big hairy eye, staring it right in the face
#292 [01:20] <SerenityE> I am uninstalling PF
#293 [01:20] <DiskDaemon> I am heading down for dinner. All the best there
#294 [01:20] <SerenityE> There we are. Now shall I try once more
#295 [01:21] <GreyVulpine> Yes.
#296 [01:21] <SerenityE> ._. no differences.
#297 [01:21] <SerenityE> #FacePalm
#298 [01:21] <GreyVulpine> Hrm...
#299 [01:22] <GreyVulpine> Did you get this server from minecraft.net/download?
#300 [01:22] <SerenityE> Yes
#301 [01:23] <GreyVulpine> Could you delete and redownload it?
#302 [01:23] <SerenityE> yep. hang on
#303 [01:23] <GreyVulpine> Make sure to run it in its own folder somewher
#304 [01:23] <GreyVulpine> somewhere*
#305 [01:23] <SerenityE> Yep. Jar or Exe? i used the exe last time. also, minecraft was in the servers folder. That a problem?
#306 [01:24] <GreyVulpine> .exe for windows, and no, it shouldn't be a problem
#307 [01:24] <GreyVulpine> Just cleaner to see what files it generates when it's in its own folder
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#309 [01:25] <mucus> hiya
#310 [01:25] <SerenityE> http://pastebin.com/sE1gsJYT
#311 [01:25] <mucus> so i am using magic launcher, and i am trying to use modloader and forge at the same time
#312 [01:25] <mucus> they seem to give each other errors . . .
#313 [01:26] <GreyVulpine> mucus - Going to be something you'll need to ask in #risucraft
#314 [01:26] <mucus> okay
#315 [01:26] <SerenityE> Minecraft_Server, Server, Server.log.lck.
#316 [01:26] <GreyVulpine> Let them know the exact error you're getting
#317 [01:26] <SerenityE> also another server.txt
#318 [01:27] <GreyVulpine> Something.. is blocking the server from connecting to that port, and it's something on your computer
#319 [01:27] <GreyVulpine> I don't quite know what to suggest here
#320 [01:27] <SerenityE> TV?
#321 [01:27] <GreyVulpine> It's pretty late for me here..
#322 [01:27] <SerenityE> Same here, How about you Disk?
#323 [01:28] <GreyVulpine> Disk was off for food.
#324 [01:28] <SerenityE> Ah.
#325 [01:28] <GreyVulpine> Really, the only thing I can think of, is some sort of security software blocking the application from binding to the port
#326 [01:28] <SerenityE> Well I suppose we can try for a few minutes and if nothing works then I guess its just a bust, ha.
#327 [01:29] <GreyVulpine> Not a bust, just need somebody who's free right now
#328 [01:29] <SerenityE> looks like mbam was running without my permission here.. lets try again
#329 [01:30] <SerenityE> hmmm its taking a bit longer than usual.
#330 [01:30] <SerenityE> Ohhhh boy.
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#332 [01:30] <GreyVulpine> Hmm?
#333 [01:31] <SerenityE> That nerve-wracking moment when everything stops responding.
#334 [01:31] <GreyVulpine> Ah, yeah.
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#336 [01:34] <KattieKat> Hello, I tried installing the Minecraft.exe and when I hit "Run" nothing happens. I reinstalled java 7, reset my comp, and turned off my firewall. I still cannot download it! Any suggestions?
#337 [01:36] * SerenityE [SerenityE@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#338 [01:36] <SerenityE> I'm back
#339 [01:36] <SerenityE> I have no idea what just happened.
#340 [01:37] <skyboy> i take it most people don't read that PM from aubot?
#341 [01:37] <skyboy> also, your internet connection was killed, most likely by lag from whatever you have going on, serenity
#342 [01:37] <SerenityE> My computer went rogue on me.
#343 [01:38] <SerenityE> LMIGuardianSvc, anybody recognize that
#344 [01:38] <skyboy> one moment
#345 [01:39] * M [M@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#346 [01:40] <skyboy> it's something from LogMeIn
#347 [01:40] <M> So, I installed the drivers, and uninstalled and reenstalled Java. I'm still having problems.
#348 [01:40] <Guest30303> reinstalled*
#349 [01:40] <skyboy> i don't believe it's related to hamachi as i don't have it on my system. but LogMeIn does offer other software
#350 [01:40] <SerenityE> Yeah it is.
#351 [01:41] <SerenityE> Anyway, Sky do you have a second
#352 [01:41] <skyboy> for what?
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#354 [01:41] <SerenityE> You know a fair deal about PortForwarding?
#355 [01:41] <Guest30303> http://pastebin.com/PdPdufrd This is the error
#356 [01:42] <skyboy> what model router do you have?
#357 [01:42] <SerenityE> hang on.
#358 [01:44] <zkxs> If the server can't bind to a port, port forwarding won't do you any good.
#359 [01:45] <skyboy> if that's the issue, what OS do you have?
#360 [01:45] <SerenityE> Windows 7 64bit Ultimate
#361 [01:45] <SerenityE> and its a ZyXEL P-600HW-D1
#362 [01:45] <SerenityE> sp 1 btw
#363 [01:45] <zkxs> Do other servers work, or is it just minecraft that can't bind a port?
#364 [01:46] <skyboy> try running it as an admin, i'll poke google for more info on W7's security quirks
#365 [01:46] <SerenityE> I can join, not host.
#366 [01:46] <SerenityE> Tried it all, nothing seemed to work.
#367 [01:47] <SerenityE> been here for at least two and a half hours. lol
#368 [01:47] <zkxs> I mean can programs that aren't java bind ports?
#369 [01:47] <SerenityE> Like?
#370 [01:48] <zkxs> Well, something like ssh, http, or even ident
#371 [01:48] <SerenityE> I haven't tried any other programs, But it is blocked by something, Ive checked netstat -ab, netstat -b, nothing mentions 25565 or 25566. (told to change that for a second to see if it was the problem)
#372 [01:49] <zkxs> When you do a netstat, does it show ANY listening connections?
#373 [01:49] <skyboy> try 8080 for fun
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#375 [01:49] <Guest30303> I'm still not able to run minecraft, the whole thing just dissappears after the log in screen on the Mojang screen. Any more ideas?
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#377 [01:50] <zkxs> You will get lots of proxy scans if you use 8080
#378 [01:50] <SerenityE> Yeah
#379 [01:50] <skyboy> something may be occupying the high slots for whatever reason
#380 [01:50] <SerenityE> 8080 failed to bind aswell.
#381 [01:50] <SerenityE> as well*
#382 [01:50] <skyboy> what's the specific error? also, 32 or 64bit java?
#383 [01:50] <SerenityE> all 35000 of them? haha
#384 [01:51] <VoxelHead> Who *are* people.
#385 [01:51] <Guest30303> to me? or SerenityE?
#386 [01:51] <SerenityE> [WARNING] The exception was: java.net.BindException: Cannot assign requested address: JVM_Bind [WARNING] Perhaps a server is already running on that port?
#387 [01:51] <skyboy> to sereneity
#388 [01:51] <SerenityE> Also its 64bit
#389 [01:51] <skyboy> i believe your problem, guest, is that you don't have the appropriate pixel shader version
#390 [01:52] <Guest30303> that would cause the game to crash before it starts? Even though it says its a java error?
#391 [01:52] <Devinsypoo> Guest30303: what java version are you using?
#392 [01:52] <skyboy> on this computer, if i attempt to run minecraft; it terminates immediately, and that's the issue
#393 [01:52] <Guest30303> I was using the most recent one, 7.5
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#395 [01:52] <Guest30303> When that didn't work, I went to the version behind it, 6. something
#396 [01:53] <SerenityE> I had to downgrade my java to 6 for that reason.
#397 [01:53] <Devinsypoo> ?? index
#398 [01:53] <VoxelHead> index: See http://mcfaq.hfbgaming.com/ for a list of FAQ entries.
#399 [01:53] <Devinsypoo> Java 6 update 27? :|
#400 [01:53] <Guest30303> let me double check, hang on
#401 [01:54] <Guest30303> 6.33
#402 [01:54] <skyboy> that's not the issue then
#403 [01:54] <SerenityE> Voxel do you have a second
#404 [01:54] <|Kiichan|> ?? bot
#405 [01:54] <VoxelHead> bot: I just type quickly.
#406 [01:55] <zkxs> I don't suppose you have multiple network adapters being used or something?
#407 [01:55] <SerenityE> zkxs is that meant for me? or guest
#408 [01:55] <zkxs> You, sorry
#409 [01:55] <SerenityE> I do have a bridged connection.
#410 [01:56] <Guest30303> I installed the newest video drivers however, it said they weren't confirmed for Windows, it was the drivers the site recommened. Could that be a problem?
#411 [01:56] <skyboy> that may be it, but java really should be able to handle that
#412 [01:57] <skyboy> guest - possibly, but no matter how up-to-date your drivers are, if your hardware doesn't support the appropriate pixel shader version, there's not much to do
#413 [01:57] <skyboy> before you buy new hardware, however, you'd need to debug that more than i can offer help for
#414 [01:57] <zkxs> Bridged connection meaning you have two routers bridged together?
#415 [01:57] <Guest30303> So, my video drivers are literally out of date, to the point where they can't run minecraft anymore?
#416 [01:58] <SerenityE> zkxs http://tinypic.com/r/1zgdgyb/6
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#418 [01:58] <SerenityE> Bridged to use my desktop as a hotspot for my xbox.
#419 [01:59] <SerenityE> wireless desktop, wired xbox.
#420 [01:59] <VoxelHead> desktopless wire
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#422 [01:59] <SerenityE> Lul
#423 [01:59] <Guest30303> I mean that just doesn't make sense, because I played this game like a month ago. It can handle other modern games just fine.
#424 [02:00] <zkxs> SerenityE: I'm unfamiliar with bridging, but do you thing that could be the issue?
#425 [02:00] <SerenityE> Im not sure, i dont need the bridge anymore, but if i disable it it stops my internet from working.
#426 [02:00] <skyboy> i'm seeing results for other java applications having problems on computers with bridged connections
#427 [02:00] <skyboy> you have to unbridge the connections
#428 [02:01] <SerenityE> after the connections are unbridged the connection goes to limited access.
#429 [02:01] <zkxs> That doesn't seem like the proper behavior... this is making me highly suspicious that Mr. Bridge is the issue
#430 [02:01] <SerenityE> not entirely sure why
#431 [02:01] <SerenityE> it seems that the bridge is the dependent.
#432 [02:02] <SerenityE> I'll try, but ill have to be right back then.
#433 [02:02] <skyboy> limited access isn't an issue; windows is very bad at reporting problems
#434 [02:02] <SerenityE> Windows 7 doesn't report any problems. ever.
#435 [02:02] <SerenityE> no solutions. ever.
#436 [02:02] <skyboy> more than half the time it reports my ethernet connection as limited access or "connecting" while i'm actively browsing the internet
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#438 [02:03] <SerenityE> be right back, testing this
#439 [02:03] <skyboy> guest - what have you changed recently, or since you last successfully ran the game?
#440 [02:03] <chuck> what
#441 [02:04] <Guest30303> not much that I can remember, certainly nothing hardware related.
#442 [02:04] <chuck> can yall guys help me with server issues
#443 [02:05] <|Kiichan|> chuck: whats the issue? if its just one one server's management.. then probably not
#444 [02:05] <skyboy> try uninstalling minecraft and reinstalling it, guest; backup your saves first
#445 [02:05] <chuck> its about plugins they wont work
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#447 [02:05] <chuck> i did them correctly but wont be in game
#448 [02:05] <Guest> ^-^ Fixed it
#449 [02:06] <Guest30303> remind me where the minecraft folder is, I know it's not in Prorams
#450 [02:06] <Guest30303> programs*
#451 [02:06] <|Kiichan|> chuck: bukkit plugins? ask in #bukkit or check the threads for the plugins
#452 [02:06] <Guest> roaming
#453 [02:06] <|Kiichan|> ??> win/.minecraft Guest30303
#454 [02:06] <chuck> yes i tried that
#455 [02:06] <|Kiichan|> dog
#456 [02:06] <skyboy> there's one in Program Files, another in AppData/Roaming
#457 [02:06] <|Kiichan|> *doh
#458 [02:06] <SerenityEE> Never logged out i suppose lol
#459 [02:06] <|Kiichan|> ??> Guest30303 win/.minecraft
#460 [02:06] <VoxelHead> Guest30303: (win/.minecraft) To get at Minecraft's locally stored files on Windows, press Win+R, and in the window that appears, type "%AppData%", and click OK. The folder you want is ".minecraft".
#461 [02:07] <Guest30303> thanks.
#462 [02:07] <chuck> thx ill try something else
#463 [02:07] <VoxelHead> i like them =D
#464 [02:07] <skyboy> you should modify that to "%AppData%/.minecraft" it's more direct
#465 [02:08] <Guest30303> s'allright I found it anyways. Deleting .minecraft
#466 [02:08] <|Kiichan|> vox: how you doing today?
#467 [02:08] <VoxelHead> Drink volvic first, then try.
#468 [02:08] <skyboy> and windows accepts either \ or / as folder delimiters, but defaults to \ because microsoft wanted to be different, i guess.
#469 [02:08] <SerenityEE> Still failed to bind the port xD
#470 [02:08] <skyboy> i'll stop here before i rant any further
#471 [02:08] <zkxs> MS-DOS wanted to be different
#472 [02:09] <Guest30303> nope, still closed.
#473 [02:09] <Guest30303> I seem to possibly be getting different errors? The number after pid changes sometimes
#474 [02:09] <skyboy> windows was initially built on DOS, but is more relevant; and still different
#475 [02:10] <skyboy> nah, pid changes each time a process starts
#476 [02:10] <skyboy> it's a security feature
#477 [02:10] <Guest30303> okay, so same error, same problem
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#479 [02:11] <skyboy> can you launch minecraft directly from the console? with any luck it will print the error there too and you can read it
#480 [02:11] <Guest30303> sorry, how do you launch it from the console?
#481 [02:11] <SerenityEE> Hey Sky, Still didn't work. Not sure what else to do.
#482 [02:11] <jp_> I bought my premium membership about 2 hours ago, and when i try to log on, it says that "User Not Premium"
#483 [02:12] <Wug> sometimes it takes a day or so
#484 [02:12] <SerenityEE> yep.
#485 [02:12] <skyboy> one moment, i'll need to launch it to find out; serenity - i honestly don't know what to do past here
#486 [02:12] <Wug> 2 hours isnt anything to worry about
#487 [02:13] <SerenityEE> and if it doesnt work tomorrow or the next day, check your bank account/paypal/etc to see if the payment went through
#488 [02:13] <Wug> I'd go to bed and then try again tomorrow morning, and come back if it still hasnt gone through
#489 [02:13] <jp_> ok, thanks
#490 [02:13] <SerenityEE> I suppose if there is someone on here with TeamViewer i could hand over my pc quick.
#491 [02:13] <SerenityEE> see if they can find the problem themselves.
#492 [02:13] <Guest30303> I don't know if this helps solve the mystery or not, but it doesn't launch in the browser either
#493 [02:14] <Wug> Guest30303: its probably a graphics driver thing
#494 [02:14] <Wug> |Kiichan|: have you checked that
#495 [02:14] <|Kiichan|> checked what? o.o;
#496 [02:14] <Guest30303> that's what we were orginally thinking, and I've installed the lastest, but it said that windows hasn't tested it yet, I continued with the download.
#497 [02:15] <Guest30303> I could post my DxDiag, if that would help
#498 [02:16] <Wug> yers it woulg
#499 [02:16] <Wug> herp typos
#500 [02:16] <Wug> you know what I meant
#501 [02:16] <Guest30303> remind me how to get a new one? That one doesn't have the updated driver. :P
#502 [02:16] <Guest30303> wait
#503 [02:16] <Guest30303> nevermind
#504 [02:18] <Guest30303> http://pastebin.com/Vqs8Y2Qr
#505 [02:18] <Guest30303> there
#506 [02:21] <Wug> I think you need this http://www2.ati.com/drivers/legacy/12-6-legacy_xp32_dd_ccc.exe
#507 [02:21] <Guest30303> okay, I'll try that
#508 [02:21] <Guest30303> what is it?
#509 [02:21] <Wug> its a driver
#510 [02:21] <Wug> when you get it, use it to uninstall all of your existing ati drivers and stuff
#511 [02:22] <Guest30303> alright
#512 [02:22] <Wug> do a clean install
#513 [02:22] <Wug> actually restart in between too
#514 [02:22] <Wug> a lot of their older drivers have issues with borked installs
#515 [02:22] <Guest30303> okay, I'll uninstall, reboot, log back in and reinstall
#516 [02:24] <VoxelHead> bye finamenon
#517 [02:26] <Guest30303> it's going to remove all my AMD drivers, is there a way I can change that?>
#518 [02:26] <Guest30303> I just want the AMD display driver removed correct?
#519 [02:26] <Wug> you probably dont have anything except the amd driver and supporting components
#520 [02:26] <Wug> so just get rid of all of it
#521 [02:27] <Wug> if something is important that installer can reinstall it
#522 [02:28] <SerenityEE> I'm frustrated.
#523 [02:29] <Guest30303> okay, restarting
#524 [02:29] <Wug> SerenityEE: why
#525 [02:29] <Wug> h/o backreading
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#528 [02:29] <SerenityEE> My port will not open..
#529 [02:29] <Wug> server failing to bind with port
#530 [02:29] <Wug> start teamviewer
#531 [02:30] <SerenityEE> started
#532 [02:30] <SerenityEE> 710 203 288
#533 [02:32] <SerenityEE> Wug?
#534 [02:32] <Wug> k. need pass
#535 [02:32] <SerenityEE> 7239
#536 [02:32] <Wug> pull up the server config
#537 [02:33] <Wug> have you tried to forward the ports yet
#538 [02:33] <SerenityEE> Yes
#539 [02:34] <Wug> to this address?
#540 [02:34] <SerenityEE> Pretty sure
#541 [02:34] <Wug> double check
#542 [02:35] <Wug> have you a firewall?
#543 [02:35] <SerenityEE> The other one i disabled
#544 [02:35] <SerenityEE> Otherwise, Mbam is the only thing that could.
#545 [02:35] <SerenityEE> and thats disabled as well.
#546 [02:37] <Wug> its a firewall of some sort
#547 [02:37] <Wug> im pretty sure
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#549 [02:37] <SerenityEE> So am I, i just do not know what
#550 [02:37] <M> Okay, back from rebooting
#551 [02:37] <SerenityEE> Considering I know most programs on my computer, and exactly what they do.
#552 [02:38] <skyboy> is windows firewall off?
#553 [02:38] <skyboy> also, shut down mbam, sometimes it likes to interfere with programs even while disabled
#554 [02:39] <Wug> try this ^?
#555 [02:39] <SerenityEE> I think its already disabled isnt it?
#556 [02:39] <skyboy> i don't know?
#557 [02:39] <skyboy> it's your computer, after all
#558 [02:40] <skyboy> also: shut down, not just disable
#559 [02:40] <SerenityEE> Im on teamviewer with wug
#560 [02:40] <SerenityEE> ill go one step farther
#561 [02:40] <skyboy> don't bother uninstalling, you can stop the service
#562 [02:40] <SerenityEE> uninstalled.
#563 [02:40] <SerenityEE> xD
#564 [02:40] <Wug> was fast
#565 [02:40] <Wug> try again
#566 [02:41] <skyboy> control panel/administrator tools/services; at least on XP, i don't know about W7
#567 [02:41] <Guest27191> "The software you are installing has not passed Windows Logo testing to verifiy its compatibility with Windows XP" Important?
#568 [02:42] <skyboy> not really
#569 [02:42] <TheNoodle> not at all
#570 [02:42] <Wug> Guest27191: continue anyway
#571 [02:42] <zkxs> It just means that whoever made the driver didn't pay for Microsoft to give it their blessing.
#572 [02:43] <Wug> im pretty stumped SerenityEE
#573 [02:43] <Wug> have you tried restarting
#574 [02:43] <skyboy> i like to think that MS programmers, instead of testing to give it the windows logo thing, they chant like monks while burning incense and waving burning weeds
#575 [02:43] <SerenityEE> 3 times.
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#577 [02:44] <Wug> I dont know off the top of my head know a way to figure out what is using the port
#578 [02:44] <Guest27191> now, when I uninstalled everything, did it affect anything besides the video/sound drivers?
#579 [02:44] <skyboy> probably not
#580 [02:44] <skyboy> are you noticing any problems?
#581 [02:44] <Guest27191> nope
#582 [02:44] <zkxs> "The congregation of MSElders bestoweth the sacred logo upon thine driver"
#583 [02:45] <Guest27191> ack, needs to restart again
#584 [02:46] <skyboy> "Microsoft Certified Elder Monk"
#585 [02:46] <skyboy> a strangely awesome title
#586 [02:47] <skyboy> pointless, but strangely awesome nontheless
#587 [02:49] <Wug> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897437.aspx
#588 [02:49] <SerenityEE> you doing some research, Wug?
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#593 [02:52] <M> Still doesn't work
#594 [02:52] <M> I want to pull my hair out
#595 [02:52] <Wug> SerenityEE: as far as I can tell its a firewall
#596 [02:52] <Wug> but I have no idea anything more than that
#597 [02:53] <SerenityEE> should i look to see what all i have for firewalls?
#598 [02:53] <Wug> might be a good idea to check everything you have installed
#599 [02:53] <Wug> cant think of anything off the top of my head though
#600 [02:53] <skyboy> also, is it just a graphical bug that a piston hooked up to to two repeaters at delays 2 and 3 can extend, retract, then extend again?
#601 [02:53] <Wug> Guest30401: do you have teamviewer
#602 [02:53] <Guest30401> I installed the drivers anew, and it still doesn't go up past Mojang
#603 [02:53] <Guest30401> I do not.
#604 [02:54] <skyboy> or is the pulse generated just extremely short?
#605 [02:54] <skyboy> v1.2.5, guest?
#606 [02:55] <Guest30401> on minecraft right?
#607 [02:55] <skyboy> yes
#608 [02:56] <skyboy> well, if it is, try getting a copy of 1.2.4 and running that
#609 [02:56] <Guest30401> alright, how?
#610 [02:57] <SerenityEE> Got it
#611 [02:57] <SerenityEE> Thanks guys
#612 [02:57] <skyboy> there should be some info on the wiki
#613 [02:57] <skyboy> serenity: what firewall was it?
#614 [02:57] <SerenityEE> either McAfee or IPshark
#615 [02:57] <SerenityEE> most likely McAfee
#616 [02:58] <skyboy> ick. please uninstall mcafee
#617 [02:58] <SerenityEE> lol believe me, its gone.
#618 [02:58] <Wug> mcafee service was disabled
#619 [02:58] <SerenityEE> still lingered around i guess
#620 [02:58] <Wug> SerenityEE: lol it works now. k
#621 [02:58] <Wug> it could have been both
#622 [02:58] <Wug> sometimes programs like that dont agree with each other
#623 [02:58] <Guest30401> .sigh
#624 [02:59] <skyboy> if mcafee's service was disabled, then it shouldn't have been affecting anything
#625 [02:59] <skyboy> but, it is mcafee
#626 [02:59] <SerenityEE> ^
#627 [02:59] <Guest30401> Mcafee shouldn't have anything to do with the error I'm having, should it?
#628 [02:59] <Guest30401> it was a gift, and it IS one of the things I've gotten since playing.
#629 [02:59] <skyboy> very, very unlikely
#630 [02:59] <Guest30401> yeah, thought so. Dang it : /
#631 [03:00] <skyboy> i will not rule it out however, because, like i said, it IS mcafee
#632 [03:00] <skyboy> you won't hurt anything by uninstalling it and trying to run minecraft again
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#635 [03:01] <Guest30401> hm, it ran minecraft on a different computer here with McA as well
#636 [03:01] <skyboy> i will also still make a side plea that you uninstall mcafee
#637 [03:01] <Wug> mcafee is likely to interfere with connections
#638 [03:01] <Wug> not so much runtime
#639 [03:01] <Wug> have you tried reinstalling java
#640 [03:02] <skyboy> not so much, but it may be blacklisting the jar file
#641 [03:02] <Guest30401> Yes, and I have an earlier version of it too
#642 [03:02] <skyboy> too?
#643 [03:02] <Guest30401> tried the most recent, didn't work
#644 [03:02] <Guest30401> tried a... 6.33 version
#645 [03:02] <Guest30401> still nothing
#646 [03:02] <skyboy> if you have multiple versions installed, uninstall them all then reinstall 6.27 or 6.33
#647 [03:02] <skyboy> i suggest 6.27 first
#648 [03:03] <Guest30401> can you link it to me, I want to make sure I don't mess this up more. :(
#649 [03:04] <Guest30401> yeah, currently have a Java 6 update 33, and a JavaFX 2.1.1
#650 [03:04] <Wug> its probably not that
#651 [03:04] <skyboy> does anyone have a link to it handy? i don't want to nav- but no java 7?
#652 [03:04] <Wug> however, a full clean install might do it
#653 [03:04] <Wug> :j7
#654 [03:04] <WugBot> j7: You can try java 7 here: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre7-downloads-1637588.html (version 7u5)
#655 [03:04] <skyboy> javaFX won't affect anything
#656 [03:04] <Guest30401> No, just those too
#657 [03:04] <Guest30401> two*
#658 [03:04] <Guest30401> I tried that already, same results.
#659 [03:05] <Elystus> Okay, what is going on?
#660 [03:05] <VoxelHead> the fact that qs needed vahkiti
#661 [03:05] <Elystus> I see java issues.
#662 [03:05] <Guest30401> Okay, I start the game, log in, the Mojang screen appears, then disappears and a nice error is deposited on the desktop
#663 [03:06] <Elystus> can I get the error report that you probably posted earlier?
#664 [03:06] <Guest30401> sure
#665 [03:06] <skyboy> one issue is resolved, the other is a WIP; appears to be related to either the jar failing to launch, or a driver/hardware issue
#666 [03:06] <SerenityEE> hey so what do i put for the ip now.
#667 [03:06] <SerenityEE> external ip? haha
#668 [03:06] <skyboy> for port forwarding?
#669 [03:06] <skyboy> http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/ZyXEL/P-660HW-D1/Minecraft_Server.htm
#670 [03:07] <Guest30401> http://pastebin.com/1WHvnEAG
#671 [03:07] <Elystus> What has been done sofar?
#672 [03:07] <Wug> hmm a directinput crash
#673 [03:07] <skyboy> also, you should be able to use 127.0.0.1 as well
#674 [03:07] <Wug> try updating lwjgl
#675 [03:07] <skyboy> but only for a local server
#676 [03:07] <Elystus> I am guessing the gpu drivers have been reinstalled?
#677 [03:07] <Elystus> with newer updated ones.
#678 [03:07] <skyboy> yes
#679 [03:08] <Wug> do you have any unusual game controllers installed
#680 [03:08] <Wug> because its crashing while trying to enumerate input devices
#681 [03:08] <Guest30401> no, just a keyboard and a mouse.
#682 [03:08] <Guest30401> and headphones
#683 [03:08] <SerenityEE> LOL
#684 [03:08] <Elystus> Well this can sometimes be a java issue, i.e. the computer is not powerful enough to run minecraft.
#685 [03:08] <SerenityEE> okay so I got it up, then changed the ip
#686 [03:08] <SerenityEE> now it says its blocked again xD
#687 [03:09] <Guest30401> OMG
#688 [03:09] <SerenityEE> changed it to my external ip adress
#689 [03:09] <SerenityEE> address*
#690 [03:09] <Guest30401> I unplugged my headphones
#691 [03:09] <Guest30401> and started it
#692 [03:09] <Guest30401> it worked
#693 [03:09] <Elystus> >_> Which headphones?
#694 [03:09] <SerenityEE> ***.47.33.15* < thats it
#695 [03:09] <skyboy> why are your headphones being read as a game controller?
#696 [03:09] <Elystus> SerenityEE: Is that the ip you port forwarded with?
#697 [03:09] <SerenityEE> erm no.
#698 [03:09] <Guest30401> they're turtle beach PX3 headphones
#699 [03:10] <Elystus> Okay good! :D
#700 [03:10] <SerenityEE> i portforwarded with the local one.
#701 [03:10] <Wug> SerenityEE: leave the server-ip line alone
#702 [03:10] <Elystus> ^
#703 [03:10] <Wug> it initially binds to every possible ip
#704 [03:10] <Wug> I cant see why you'd want to restrict it any further
#705 [03:10] <Elystus> Guest30401: It could have been the drivers for those headphones that was causing the issue.
#706 [03:11] <Guest30401> even though it is currently running while the headphones are in?
#707 [03:11] <skyboy> unlikely it was the drivers
#708 [03:11] <Elystus> Guest30401: O.o
#709 [03:11] <skyboy> it looks like, to me, these things are being accidentally registered as a game controller
#710 [03:12] <Elystus> ^Could be. :/ that that is very odd.
#711 [03:12] <skyboy> because of all their damned features
#712 [03:12] <skyboy> and dude, $200 for a pair of head phones?
#713 [03:12] <Guest30401> it was a birthday present from my boyfreind :)
#714 [03:12] <Elystus> Does it have a mic?
#715 [03:12] <Guest30401> yes
#716 [03:12] <Elystus> Well that is more worth it
#717 [03:12] <Guest30401> we're long distance, so ^
#718 [03:12] <Elystus> My headphones+ mic was 200ish
#719 [03:13] <skyboy> still, $200?
#720 [03:13] <Elystus> skyboy: The quality is really good.
#721 [03:13] <Guest30401> we'll they can also connect to the ps3 and xbox 360
#722 [03:13] <Guest30401> still, good to know, I'll have to just keep them unplugged before I play
#723 [03:13] <Wug> nice headphones are really worth it
#724 [03:13] <Wug> they sound much better
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#726 [03:13] <Elystus> I love my Bose headphones
#727 [03:13] <skyboy> i live on 18k/yr split between three people. that number, for head phones, blows my mind.
#728 [03:13] <Wug> the mic quality is much better
#729 [03:14] <Wug> perhaps most importanly, theyre more comfortable to wear for a long time
#730 [03:14] <skyboy> buying the components separately is cheaper, and of equal quality
#731 [03:14] <Elystus> skyboy: Yea, it can be expensive on a budget.
#732 [03:14] <Guest30401> ^
#733 [03:14] <JoJo_> How to allocate memorie to minecraft in windows xp?
#734 [03:14] <Guest30401> two more things, if you don't mind
#735 [03:14] <skyboy> bulkier, true
#736 [03:14] <skyboy> certainly
#737 [03:14] * Elystus saved a couple thousand dollars by building his pc
#737 [03:14] <Wug> JoJo_: if youre having out of memory errors, allocate less memory
#738 [03:14] <Wug> use 300m
#739 [03:14] <Guest30401> one, based on what I sent you guys, all my other drivers are okay? I'm scared I broke something while uninstalling all of them
#740 [03:15] <skyboy> wug - they don't know how in the first place
#741 [03:15] <Elystus> Guest30401: it might have been a one off issue.
#742 [03:15] <JoJo_> Im haveing errors where when i play things turn see through and its impossible to play
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#744 [03:15] <VictorV4C> Hello
#745 [03:15] <skyboy> your drivers are fine, guest
#746 [03:15] <Wug> that sounds like a graphics issue
#747 [03:15] <Guest30401> excellent :D
#748 [03:15] <VictorV4C> I can't get my minecraft account back
#749 [03:15] <Wug> I need to go to bed
#750 [03:15] <Wug> sorry everyone
#751 [03:15] <skyboy> the issue is that your mic is sending information to the computer while it's registered as a game controller
#752 [03:16] <Guest30401> two, once you put a skin in for all your games to see you, is there a way to change it back to the orginal?
#753 [03:16] <Wug> :resetpass
#754 [03:16] <WugBot> resetpass: You can reset the password for your minecraft account using the following page: http://www.minecraft.net/resetpassword
#755 [03:16] <skyboy> anything that uses DirectInput would have crashed if it couldn't handle unexpected information. which is basically everything
#756 [03:16] <VictorV4C> I recently changed my password but I can't get the account back because my E-mail is not working
#757 [03:16] <VictorV4C> I got it working after days at it
#758 [03:16] <JoJo_> Can someone help? I just need to know how to allocate memorie to minecraft in xp..
#759 [03:17] <VictorV4C> But evertime I ask minecraft to send my password it doesn't show up in my email
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#761 [03:17] <skyboy> verify the email address used for your account is actually your email address
#762 [03:17] <VictorV4C> I'm not sure if my hotmail account is not working properly or wether minecraft is not sending me my password
#763 [03:17] <skyboy> also, check your spam folder
#764 [03:19] <VictorV4C> I don't have a spam folder
#765 [03:19] <VictorV4C> I have a junk folder but all that's inside is a mail from diablo telling me that I'm trying to sell my account
#766 [03:19] <VictorV4C> Even though I don't own one
#767 [03:20] <VictorV4C> I really need help here... I have been spamming out my password for days and non of my passwords work
#768 [03:21] <skyboy> do you know for certain that you used your email address on the account?
#769 [03:22] <VictorV4C> Yeah
#770 [03:22] <VictorV4C> I confirmed it
#771 [03:22] <VictorV4C> My email got hacked at one point
#772 [03:22] <VictorV4C> But I got it back through my Alt account
#773 [03:22] <Guest30401> well thanks for all the help guys
#774 [03:22] <Guest30401> :)
#775 [03:22] <Guest30401> See you later.
#776 [03:22] <VoxelHead> ^_^
#777 [03:22] <Elystus> cya guest
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#779 [03:23] <skyboy> if they got your minecraft account via your email, i'm not certain there's anything anyone here can do
#780 [03:23] <VictorV4C> Sigh*
#781 [03:23] <skyboy> you would need to contact mojang directly if there are no staff members here
#782 [03:23] <VictorV4C> It's a lot of money I had to pay for my account
#783 [03:23] <VictorV4C> Problem being that I don't know how to contact mojang
#784 [03:24] <skyboy> there should be an email address on their website
#785 [03:24] <VictorV4C> Alright thanks
#786 [03:25] <SerenityEE> hey sky i need help again
#787 [03:25] <SerenityEE> i have my server address as 127.0.0.1 but how does my buddy join in that way?
#788 [03:26] <SerenityEE> online mode is false by the way
#789 [03:26] <Wug> leave server ip in config blank
#790 [03:26] <skyboy> also, guest, it says in that error log that it was crashing while looking for the game controllers; so you just need to make sure the headphones aren't plugged in when you start it
#791 [03:26] <SerenityEE> it is
#792 [03:26] <SerenityEE> i mean in game.
#793 [03:26] <Wug> does your friend own minecraft
#794 [03:26] <SerenityEE> yes
#795 [03:26] <skyboy> he's connecting to his own by 127.0.0.1, wug; serenity: give him your external IP
#796 [03:26] <Wug> why arent you using online mode then
#797 [03:26] <SerenityEE> it doesnt say my server is up
#798 [03:27] <SerenityEE> im not sure why.
#799 [03:28] <skyboy> if you set up port forwarding correctly, he will be able to join with that; after you start the server
#800 [03:28] <skyboy> i can't help with getting your server started, however
#801 [03:37] <SerenityEE> Why is it telling me that i am not whitelisted on my own server
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#803 [03:37] <DiskDaemon> VictorV4C: Hi there, I can help you to find out some information on things about this
#804 [03:38] * Elystus waves goodbye
#804 [03:38] <Elystus> goodnight*
#805 [03:38] <DiskDaemon> SerenityEE: Once you confirm that things work for you using the local loopback address (which is 127.0.0.1) we then check that you can use your external IP address to connect to your same server.
#806 [03:38] <DiskDaemon> o/
#807 [03:38] <SerenityEE> so should i give you my ip
#808 [03:39] <DiskDaemon> That can be checked from here.
#809 [03:39] <DiskDaemon> !check SerenityEE
#810 [03:39] <SerenityEE> hang on
#811 [03:39] <DiskDaemon> !ip SerenityEE
#812 [03:39] <DiskDaemon> ;ip SerenityEE
#813 [03:39] <WugBot> IP address of SerenityEE is: 216.47.33.153
#814 [03:39] <DiskDaemon> ahh, that bot :)
#815 [03:39] <SerenityEE> got it
#816 [03:39] <DiskDaemon> !check 216.47.33.153
#817 [03:40] <DiskDaemon> SerenityEE: That's how we check from here. So once you ahve your server up and going, we check if it can be seen, and if not we investigate things like port forwarding with you.
#818 [03:41] <SerenityEE> alright
#819 [03:41] <SerenityEE> I can play it, my friend cannot
#820 [03:41] <DiskDaemon> SerenityEE: Ignore your local connection - we need you to set up a new minecraft connection to your external ip.
#821 [03:41] <SerenityEE> how do i go about doing that
#822 [03:42] <DiskDaemon> SerenityEE: Once you can connect to your external ip address, your friend will be able to connect to it as well
#823 [03:42] <DiskDaemon> SerenityEE: Add a multiplayer connection to your external ip address
#824 [03:42] <|Kiichan|> SerenityEE: Goto http://goo.gl/DsVIL and click on your router model, skip the PFConfig Ad, and follow the instructions to set up port forwarding! :D
#825 [03:42] <VoxelHead> Thunderstorm in the area. I might die in a bit.
#826 [03:43] <|Kiichan|> vox: really?
#827 [03:43] <|Kiichan|> aw...
#828 [03:43] <VoxelHead> Well, i'd rather not.
#829 [03:43] <|Kiichan|> decompile yourself to nonvolatile storage!
#830 [03:44] <DiskDaemon> VoxelHead's right - http://www.accuweather.com/en/us/gilbert-az/85234/weather-forecast/341804
#831 [03:44] <VoxelHead> All storage is volatile, as it will ultimately decay into heat and quarks and leptons.
#832 [03:44] <|Kiichan|> i believe vox's sentient AI has taken over :"P
#833 [03:44] <|Kiichan|> instead of the pot-infused rotent AI
#834 [03:45] <|Kiichan|> *rodent
#835 [03:45] <VoxelHead> 85353 would be more accurate.
#836 [03:45] <|Kiichan|> :P
#837 [03:46] <VoxelHead> Just sayin'.
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#839 [03:47] <skyboy> quarks can never be unbound though, so they remain as protons and neutrons, unless they decay purely into energy, or are compressed under extreme gravity to form strange matter with strange quarks
#840 [03:47] <|Kiichan|> vox: it was mentioned to update your win/.minecraft to just have "%appdata%/.minecraft"
#841 [03:50] <DopeGhoti> ??~ win/.minecraft|Start->Run "%appdata%/.minecraft"
#842 [03:50] <DopeGhoti> will that do?
#843 [03:51] <skyboy> aye, it will open the .minecraft folder directly
#844 [03:52] <DiskDaemon> Can we make it this? To get at Minecraft's locally stored files on Windows, press Win+r, and in the window that appears, type: %appdata%/.minecraft
#845 [03:52] <skyboy> both / and \ work as folder deliminators
#846 [03:53] <DiskDaemon> Because "Start" is no longer an approprate way to refer to the start menu
#847 [03:53] <DiskDaemon> And Run doesn't appear on the Windows 7 start menu listing...
#848 [03:55] <DiskDaemon> ??~ win/.minecraft|To get at Minecraft's locally stored files on Windows, press Win+r, and in the window that appears, type: %appdata%/.minecraft
#849 [03:55] * DiskDaemon prods DopeGhoti to copy/pasta
#849 [03:55] <DopeGhoti> skyboy: unless something has very recently changed with Windows, you are incorrect
#850 [03:55] <skyboy> it works in XP and vista
#851 [03:55] <skyboy> i assume they did not downgrade in W7 or W8
#852 [03:55] <DiskDaemon> It works in W7 too, and W8
#853 [03:55] * DopeGhoti starts his XP VM to test.
#853 [03:56] <skyboy> iirc, it also worked in 95
#854 [03:56] <DopeGhoti> it most certainly did not
#855 [03:56] <skyboy> i don't feel like going upstairs to test
#856 [03:56] <DiskDaemon> You're welcome to use %appdata%\.minecraft if you want to remain more sensible towards Microsoft's way of doing things
#857 [03:56] <DopeGhoti> 95 was an MS-DOS applicationn and '/' was specifically not a directory delimeter
#858 [03:57] <DopeGhoti> DiskDaemon: I'll flip it back to an amalgam of the old and the new.
#859 [03:57] <DiskDaemon> From the command prompt it's not a directory delimiter - from the start menu and other places MS have become more sensible about things
#860 [03:57] <skyboy> it definitely is in NT-based systems from XP onwards, and possibly back to ME
#861 [03:58] <DopeGhoti> ??~ win/.minecraft|win/.minecraft|To get at Minecraft's locally stored files on Windows, press Win+R, and in the window that appears, type "%AppData%\.minecraft", and click OK.
#862 [03:58] <DopeGhoti> No, ME was also an MS-DOS 7 app.
#863 [03:58] <Wug> ??~ win/.minecraft|To get at Minecraft's locally stored files on Windows, press Win+R, and in the window that appears, type "%AppData%\.minecraft", and click OK.
#864 [03:58] * DiskDaemon waits for people to ask, do I need to hold down the Shift key to press Win+R?
#864 [03:58] <DopeGhoti> ??> DiskDaemon win/key
#865 [03:59] <VoxelHead> DiskDaemon: (win/key) Hold down the Windows key (between Control and Alt, usually to the left of the space bar), and then press the other specified key. Think of it as typing a capital letter, but using that key instead of Shift.
#866 [03:59] <DopeGhoti> see also win/key/image
#867 [03:59] <Wug> DopeGhoti: what was the command to identify to vox so it will recognize this hostname
#868 [03:59] <|Kiichan|> dang.. ninjad
#869 [03:59] <DopeGhoti> Wug: IDENT
#870 [03:59] <|Kiichan|> and i still think that shoudl be win/key/pebcak
#871 [03:59] <DiskDaemon> But when the win key is pressed down, do I also need to press down the Shift key for Win+R instead of Win+r ?
#872 [03:59] <DiskDaemon> We have some seriously thick people who come through here ...
#873 [03:59] <Wug> DopeGhoti: and the syntax is
#874 [03:59] <DopeGhoti> |Kiichan|: pebcak is filed under dont/
#875 [03:59] <Wug> ...?
#876 [04:00] <DopeGhoti> Wug: IDENT yourhandle yourpassword
#877 [04:00] <DiskDaemon> excellent, I look forward to using that more often
#878 [04:00] <|Kiichan|> i know.. but if you need an image for the win key... theres a problem :P
#879 [04:00] <DopeGhoti> ??> DiskDaemon dont/pebcak
#880 [04:00] <DiskDaemon> ?? dont/pebcak
#881 [04:00] <VoxelHead> DiskDaemon: (dont/pebcak) If you can't understand our (generally) basic instructions, please don't even bother wasting our time if you won't listen. Fixing problems requires some amount of self-help ability, to say nothing of literacy and the ability to follow directions..
#882 [04:00] <DopeGhoti> see also dont/bother
#883 [04:00] <VoxelHead> DiskDaemon: (dont/pebcak) Keep in mind we are all volunteers - if you need more help, hire a professional.
#884 [04:00] <DiskDaemon> ?? dont/bother
#885 [04:00] <VoxelHead> dont/bother: If you aren't going to listen to the advice from the volunteers here, don't ask for it in the first place.
#886 [04:00] <Wug> DopeGhoti: hmm, I did that and got no response
#887 [04:01] <DiskDaemon> ??> |Kiichan| win/key/image
#888 [04:01] <VoxelHead> |Kiichan|: (win/key/image) WARNING: May not appear exactly as shown. http://daily-grind.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Windows-Key-722215.jpg
#889 [04:01] <DopeGhoti> Wug: sorry, IDENT password handle
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#891 [04:01] <DiskDaemon> There's a problem?
#892 [04:01] <|Kiichan|> :P
#893 [04:01] <Wug> ??~ win/.minecraft|To get at Minecraft's locally stored files on Windows, press Win+R, and in the window that appears, type "%AppData%\.minecraft", and click OK.
#894 [04:01] <|Kiichan|> with the person that needs to be shown an image of the win key :P
#895 [04:01] <Wug> you added an extra win/.minecraft|
#896 [04:01] <|Kiichan|> 90% of keyboards have it
#897 [04:02] <DopeGhoti> Wug: isn't that what I just set it to?
#898 [04:02] <DopeGhoti> |Kiichan|: for those without an OEM key, that can use ^-Esc
#899 [04:03] <|Kiichan|> ctrl-esc-r doesnt work though :P
#900 [04:03] <DiskDaemon> The faq entries are to help with 80% of expected situations anyhow
#901 [04:03] <skyboy> "MS-DOS 2.0, released 1983, copied the hierarchical file system from Unix and thus used the forward slash"
#902 [04:04] <skyboy> so, this has been a feature of the windows API since DOS 2
#903 [04:04] <skyboy> 1.0, however, used only the \
#904 [04:04] <DopeGhoti> skyboy: I've been using MS-DOS since then, and starting with 3.0, the forward slash did _not_ work
#905 [04:04] <DopeGhoti> '/' was used alongside '-' for command switches
#906 [04:05] <DiskDaemon> I just got rid of my MS-DOS 2.0 manual a few months ago. It had the full assembly language instructions for the commands in there and everything
#907 [04:05] <skyboy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backslash
#908 [04:06] <DopeGhoti> DiskDaemon: Windows NT 6.1 still includes debug (:
#909 [04:06] <DiskDaemon> and ed?
#910 [04:06] <DopeGhoti> I don't think MS has included eldin since 5.0
#911 [04:07] <DiskDaemon> well we can use debug to write it again :)
#912 [04:07] <DopeGhoti> I'd rather use vim
#913 [04:08] <DiskDaemon> Will vim work on 0x10^c?
#914 [04:08] <DopeGhoti> http://imgur.com/XUahR
#915 [04:08] <DopeGhoti> forward slash does not work in XP
#916 [04:09] <DiskDaemon> It's from the start menu run command which he was saying where it works
#917 [04:10] <skyboy> on DOS command.com does not treat / as a deliminator, but the API does
#918 [04:11] <skyboy> cmd.exe on windows and os/2 uses both
#919 [04:11] <DopeGhoti> just tested cmd. you are incorrect, sir.
#920 [04:11] <DopeGhoti> (or ma'am, or other)
#921 [04:11] <skyboy> i think i my name makes it pretty obvious
#922 [04:11] <skyboy> on what OS?
#923 [04:12] <DopeGhoti> XP SP3
#924 [04:12] <skyboy> dir doesn't accept it, but / is a valid deliminator in he API
#925 [04:12] <DopeGhoti> http://imgur.com/eM82F
#926 [04:13] <skyboy> so win+r will accept it
#927 [04:13] <DiskDaemon> skyboy: Please provide an example
#928 [04:13] <DiskDaemon> skyboy: So you are saying that it works when not used in the command prompt, which is where DopeGhoti was testing
#929 [04:13] <DopeGhoti> TTANTS: The API; the command interpreter.
#930 [04:14] <DopeGhoti> DiskDaemon: skyboy just incorrectly asserted that cmd.exe (the successor to command.com) uses /. It does not.
#931 [04:14] <skyboy> open run, type %appdata%/.minecraft
#932 [04:14] <skyboy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_%28computing%29
#933 [04:14] <DopeGhoti> skyboy: that's entirely unlrelated to the command interpreter
#934 [04:15] <skyboy> "%appdata%/.minecraft/options.txt" just opened it in notepad for me using cmd.exe
#935 [04:16] <DopeGhoti> Yes, forward slashes to work in XP (and presumably, thenceforth) in the 'Run' dialog, and in Explorer address bars and such.
#936 [04:16] <skyboy> i typed the above in cmd.exe, quotes included
#937 [04:16] <DiskDaemon> While I was disconnected, I tried to send: Both skyboy and DopeGhoti are talking about completely different things. One of them needs to stop, listen, and explain
#938 [04:17] <DopeGhoti> You keep moving the goalposts, skyboy. Yes, the quoted version works differently and will correct the forward slashes for you before passing the requested path to the interpreter.
#939 [04:17] <skyboy> interesting, cd ignores /
#940 [04:18] <skyboy> ghoti: i type it in the interpreter itself
#941 [04:18] <skyboy> i'll find a file in the root drive and try C:/; one moment
#942 [04:18] <DiskDaemon> It doesn't exactly ignore it. It sees "cd /" as asking for an unspecified parameter
#943 [04:19] <skyboy> and that worked too
#944 [04:19] <skyboy> it ignores it because it performs no action
#945 [04:19] <skyboy> other wise you'd get an error as with dir
#946 [04:19] <DiskDaemon> When you try to "dir /" you'll see an invalid switch issue
#947 [04:19] <skyboy> yes, i know
#948 [04:20] <skyboy> but what wikipedia says is that the interpreter itself accepts / and \
#949 [04:20] <DopeGhoti> Typical Microsoft state then
#950 [04:20] <skyboy> not what individual commands accept
#951 [04:20] <DiskDaemon> skyboy: So, what's the summary. What are we getting at here?
#952 [04:20] <DopeGhoti> "In some usages, '/' may work, and in others, it may not. So just use '\'."
#953 [04:20] <skyboy> that microsoft sucks and that the windows API accepts either \ or /
#954 [04:20] <DopeGhoti> skyboy: in this instance, wikipidia is incorrect.
#955 [04:21] <skyboy> but individual programs seem to vary their support
#956 [04:21] <DiskDaemon> \ is the guaranteed microsoft way, while / is an attempt to bridge a long-missing gap, that's still broken
#957 [04:21] <DopeGhoti> and I don't think that API means what you think it means.
#958 [04:21] <skyboy> i'm a programmer. API means the windows API that you compile/link against in C/C++/etc
#959 [04:21] <skyboy> _that_ accepts either\ or /
#960 [04:22] <DiskDaemon> While / might work under certain circumstances, \ is guaranteed to work. Go with the guarantee.
#961 [04:22] <skyboy> but it seems microsoft's been lazy about it and some calls don't support it, and some programs don't
#962 [04:22] <DopeGhoti> '/' will work in PowerShell, because it actually uses the API. cmd.exe does not.
#963 [04:22] <DiskDaemon> skyboy: That's right, so go woth the guarantee of success.
#964 [04:22] * DopeGhoti points up
#964 [04:23] <DopeGhoti> "In some usages, '/' may work, and in others, it may not. So just use '\'."
#965 [04:23] <skyboy> type C:/AILog.txt in cmd.exe; that apparently makes an API call
#966 [04:23] <skyboy> right now i'm not arguing, just complaining
#967 [04:24] <skyboy> they did the same thing with their special version of "JScript." apparently removing "ava" means they don't need to follow conventions or standards
#968 [04:24] <DopeGhoti> http://imgur.com/SU4uU
#969 [04:24] <DiskDaemon> From wher we're sitting, the complaining has sounded like you're trying to support and unsupportable conclusion
#970 [04:25] <DopeGhoti> can we move on now? (:
#971 [04:25] <DiskDaemon> I would like to
#972 [04:25] <skyboy> how about complaining about IE?
#973 [04:26] <DiskDaemon> we'd be here all week
#974 [04:26] <DopeGhoti> Too easily solved by using a better browser, like Mosiac.
#975 [04:26] <DopeGhoti> or telnet.
#976 [04:26] <skyboy> i was about ot suggest that
#977 [04:26] <skyboy> to*
#978 [04:26] <DopeGhoti> heh.
#979 [04:27] <DiskDaemon> I'm always advising to "use a certain technique in modern web browsers, and for other ones such as Internet Explorer to do ..."
#980 [04:27] <DiskDaemon> That's the politest way I've come up with to say that IE is a pile of garbage
#981 [04:28] <DopeGhoti> I'm constantly annoyed on our devs' behalf that one of our big clients still has IE7 support as a must-have for their sites.
#982 [04:28] <skyboy> i've officially stopped supporting IE in anything i make. i just terminate when it's detected and prompt the user to upgrade to another browser
#983 [04:28] <DiskDaemon> DopeGhoti: The solution to that is to explicitly apply an additional percentage fee for IE7 support in your billing
#984 [04:28] <DopeGhoti> skyboy: That's kind of aggressive. I'd just give it W3C compliant code, and when it fails to render, rightly blame the users' software choice.
#985 [04:28] <DopeGhoti> DiskDaemon: Oh, we do.
#986 [04:29] <DopeGhoti> Oh, how we do.
#987 [04:29] <skyboy> and now that chrome has overtaken IE in the global market, i hope it falls below opera
#988 [04:29] <DopeGhoti> I'd still rather just not support it, and damn the billable hours.
#989 [04:29] <DopeGhoti> we need someone other than MS to sponsor IE{7..9} version of: http://www.ie6countdown.com/
#990 [04:30] <skyboy> heh, that reminds me of the IE7 tax one website has implemented. 1% for every month since its release
#991 [04:30] <DiskDaemon> I wrote to my bank about their lack of Chrome support, and how it is now officially the most used web browser in the world (link to wiki page) so isn't it about time that they supported the worlds most used web browser?
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#993 [04:30] <DiskDaemon> link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers
#994 [04:30] <skyboy> a direct link to statcounter may be more useful
#995 [04:31] <DopeGhoti> DiskDaemon: When one of my former banks rolled out an IE requirement for their service (it used ActiveX for logins!), I switched banks.
#996 [04:31] <DiskDaemon> pretty pic from statcounter, which is on that wiki page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Usage_share_of_web_browsers_(Source_StatCounter).svg
#997 [04:31] <skyboy> heh. and it's in SVG, something IE doesn't exactly handle well
#998 [04:32] <DopeGhoti> oh, like _that_ is a short list.
#999 [04:32] <skyboy> IE is at the top of the bad support list
#1000 [04:32] <skyboy> for everything, come to think of it
#1001 [04:33] <skyboy> though, i will give them one credit
#1002 [04:34] <skyboy> they implemented rotation/glow/etc. filters in IE5.5, which only just recently started being standardized
#1003 [04:37] <DiskDaemon> and now the X-... standard of doing different variations is being considered to be a bad idea that we really should be moving beyond now
#1004 [04:45] <DiskDaemon> Ahh, here we go, I found the article. http://www.w3.org/blog/CSS/2012/06/14/unprefix-webkit-device-pixel-ratio/
#1005 [04:46] <skyboy> ah, those stupid things. -o- is probably the worst because of the double-dash it has going on
#1006 [04:46] <DiskDaemon> And that article lead to others that I've read, about how vendor prefixes need to be scrapped once and for all
#1007 [04:47] <DiskDaemon> Vendors are instead to implement features according to standards
#1008 [04:48] <skyboy> heh, right
#1009 [04:48] <DiskDaemon> For example: http://christianheilmann.com/2012/07/06/html5-and-the-future-of-the-web-dr-seuss-style/
#1010 [04:49] <skyboy> i'm pretty sure the only standard that's mostly properly implemented is HTTP GET
#1011 [04:50] <skyboy> i am certain, however, that at least one program used by thousands of people does it not-quite-right
#1012 [04:50] <DopeGhoti> relevant, and humorous read: http://webaim.org/blog/user-agent-string-history/
#1013 [04:53] <DiskDaemon> This is why feature detection is to be used instead of browser sniffing.
#1014 [04:53] <DopeGhoti> yep.
#1015 [04:53] <DopeGhoti> Hell, SMTP has had this for ages
#1016 [04:53] <DopeGhoti> "EHLO, could you tell me what you support please?"
#1017 [04:55] <DopeGhoti> anyhow, it's 0200, and I have work in a few hours. G'morning, folks
#1018 [04:55] <DiskDaemon> till later
#1019 [04:55] <DopeGhoti> \o
#1020 [04:56] <DiskDaemon> o/
#1021 [04:57] <skyboy> hah, wow. i didn't realize how bad those things were
#1022 [04:58] <DiskDaemon> Web developers work in the most hostile workplace known to man
#1023 [04:58] <skyboy> yeah, but i use frameworks to deal with UA strings, because i gave up trying to understand them
#1024 [04:59] <DiskDaemon> No, you never deal with UA strings. Ever! Not even via frameworks. Have you been taught nothing?
#1025 [05:00] <skyboy> but i'm a good little developer, any program i make to sniff webpages marks its UA as the name of the program and its version
#1026 [05:00] <DiskDaemon> UA strings are easily changed by the browser, by the user, and by blind fate. There is nothing useful that can ever be determined from a UA string.
#1027 [05:00] <skyboy> not anymore, but there used to be
#1028 [05:00] <DiskDaemon> Then ain't now.
#1029 [05:01] <skyboy> now it's all gone to hell and is a massive clusterfuck of "WE NEED MORE"
#1030 [05:01] * AuBot kicked skyboy from #minecrafthelp (Reason: kyboy :Please keep it civil.)
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#1032 [05:01] <skyboy> i will remember that
#1033 [05:01] <skyboy> but given what we're talking about, i think it was civil
#1034 [05:01] <DiskDaemon> Yu'll learn in time to be more creative with such outbursts :)
#1035 [05:02] <skyboy> i am a very blunt person :P
#1036 [05:03] <skyboy> are BSG-style swears compatible?
#1037 [05:03] <DiskDaemon> Try not to swear, but get your point across nevertheless
#1038 [05:05] <skyboy> well, this is webdev we're talking about
#1039 [05:05] <DiskDaemon> that we're griping about
#1040 [05:05] <skyboy> i've never met a web developer that can describe all of the problems encountered making an application without swearing at everything before finishing
#1041 [05:08] <skyboy> relatedly, http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The-Enterprise-User-Agent.aspx
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#1043 [05:13] <Koch> Hello my minecraft is lacking when I am playing in sigle and multiplayer mode? I have just got my new computer HP Envy 14, what should I do, so it won't lack?
#1044 [05:13] <lemon-rev> what is it lacking and whats it doing to cause a problem
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#1046 [05:14] <DiskDaemon> If lag is meant - lag cannot occur in singleplayer, because lag can only occur in multiplayer where networking delays result in lag between communications on each end.
#1047 [05:14] <DiskDaemon> Koch: Please explain your problem in such a way that it can be understood.
#1048 [05:15] <Koch> When I am playing, it goes really slowly and when I turn it is very slow and I can't move around fast and without problems, so it is hard to build things when it is so slow
#1049 [05:15] <DiskDaemon> It sounds like your graphics drivers need to be updated
#1050 [05:15] <DiskDaemon> ??> Koch win/dxdiag
#1051 [05:15] <VoxelHead> Koch: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#1052 [05:15] <VoxelHead> Koch: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
#1053 [05:16] <Calinou> DiskDaemon, or they just have a very old graphics card :P
#1054 [05:16] <DiskDaemon> Calinou: That can be determined from the report too
#1055 [05:16] <Grim_Reaper> ^
#1056 [05:16] <Koch> 2 sec
#1057 [05:16] <DiskDaemon> I try to word it in a nice and polite way, so that they get the information to us that we can use to beat them over the head with.
#1058 [05:16] <DiskDaemon> Is that wrong?
#1059 [05:17] <skyboy> actually, it sounds like view distance is too high
#1060 [05:17] <DiskDaemon> skyboy: You're welcome to take the reins on this one
#1061 [05:17] <skyboy> and i can't remember the name of the setting just above "tiny"
#1062 [05:17] <DiskDaemon> small?
#1063 [05:17] <skyboy> maybe?
#1064 [05:18] <DiskDaemon> Ahh, it's short.
#1065 [05:19] <skyboy> Koch: try using the view distance setting "short," you find it under options
#1066 [05:19] <skyboy> if you still experience large amounts of lag, then your computer is simply not powerful enough to play minecraft
#1067 [05:20] <DiskDaemon> skyboy: Let's get some information about his situation first before making a random diagnosis
#1068 [05:20] <Koch> http://pastebin.com/9N2B8iWR
#1069 [05:20] <DiskDaemon> Dedicated memory is 64MB ??
#1070 [05:20] <Koch> Okay heres my Dxdiag
#1071 [05:22] <Calinou> > integrated graphics card - sorry, but you need a dedicated graphics card if you want to play minecraft playably
#1072 [05:22] <DiskDaemon> Koch: Your graphics drivers look like they are out of date. Also, your graphcis card manufacturer is ATI, who are now out of business. You can get upates for it though from AMD.
#1073 [05:22] <DiskDaemon> ??> Koch win/intel
#1074 [05:23] <DiskDaemon> actually, from intel in this case
#1075 [05:23] <DiskDaemon> ??> Koch gpu/intel
#1076 [05:23] <VoxelHead> Koch: (gpu/intel) You can get drivers for Intel video cards and chipsets here: http://downloadcenter.intel.com/
#1077 [05:23] <Calinou> I guess you're on a desktop computer, Koch? if you're on a desktop computer you can buy a graphics card, then use it
#1078 [05:23] <Calinou> (6GB of RAM on a netbook? not really :P)
#1079 [05:23] <DiskDaemon> Koch: That's your best bet - to update the drivers. Ther's no guarantee that it will improve your situation though
#1080 [05:23] <DiskDaemon> Calinou: "HP ENVY 14 Notebook PC"
#1081 [05:23] <Calinou> erm
#1082 [05:24] <Koch> Where can I update it?
#1083 [05:24] <DiskDaemon> ??> Koch gpu/intel
#1084 [05:24] <VoxelHead> Koch: (gpu/intel) You can get drivers for Intel video cards and chipsets here: http://downloadcenter.intel.com/
#1085 [05:24] <Calinou> still can't believe that there's 6GB RAM in a computer with an integrated graphics card
#1086 [05:25] <skyboy> he does have an i5, so there's that
#1087 [05:25] <skyboy> but yeah, that 64 MB of dedicated memory is going to murder performance on the far render setting
#1088 [05:25] <DiskDaemon> Koch: Basically you have a notebook that is badly underpowered for playing Minecraft
#1089 [05:25] * Calinou discretely points to minetest then walks away
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#1090 [05:26] <Koch> Okay, so I need to buy a better graphic card or can I just find a page where I can update it?
#1091 [05:27] <Calinou> you can't change the graphics card of a laptop unfortunately
#1092 [05:27] <Koch> Oh, but can I update it
#1093 [05:27] <Koch> so I play better
#1094 [05:27] <Calinou> so, you could either: 1) buy a new computer (maybe ask for a refund of that notebook if you bought it recently), 2) use lowest video settings
#1095 [05:27] <DiskDaemon> You can try to
#1096 [05:28] <DiskDaemon> Koch: First, get the most recent graphics drivers for your notebook
#1097 [05:28] <DiskDaemon> I hesitate to call it a computer, sorry
#1098 [05:28] <skyboy> it is sufficiently powerful for computing. not for gaming, however
#1099 [05:29] <DiskDaemon> Koch: First, get the most recent graphics drivers for your notebook, and see how that goes
#1100 [05:29] <Calinou> "computing" designates resource-intensive activites/processes usually skyboy, you probably just want to say "working" or whatever
#1101 [05:30] <Koch> That recent driver gotta be in a new computer right?
#1102 [05:30] <DiskDaemon> A new computer has the oldest driver avaialble for it
#1103 [05:31] <Koch> So my computer has the oldest driver?
#1104 [05:31] <skyboy> calinou: he has 4 hyperthreaded cores clocked at 2.4 GHz with 6 GB of DDR2 (or DDR3) RAM on a sandybridge CPU
#1105 [05:31] <DiskDaemon> Koch: Your graphics drivers are from the start of 2010 - There are drivers available for your machine from the start of 2012
#1106 [05:31] <Koch> And how do i get them, can I get them without buying a new computer
#1107 [05:32] <DiskDaemon> Koch: You are using version 8.15 graphics drivers right now. You should instead be using the 15.22 version ones instead. How?
#1108 [05:32] <DiskDaemon> ??> Koch gpu/intel
#1109 [05:32] <VoxelHead> Koch: (gpu/intel) You can get drivers for Intel video cards and chipsets here: http://downloadcenter.intel.com/
#1110 [05:32] <skyboy> his integrated graphics chip has a whole 1% of his RAM for it's processing needs, and is wasting nearly all of its time putting data through the pipe to RAM and back
#1111 [05:33] <DiskDaemon> skyboy: Yes it's a piss-poor situation for him, but let's at least try to polish this sow's ear
#1112 [05:33] <Koch> But what is the driver called so I can update it in the download center
#1113 [05:34] <DiskDaemon> Koch: Do you see the update utility?
#1114 [05:34] <DiskDaemon> Koch: It's in the blue section at the top of the page
#1115 [05:34] <skyboy> that's, uh. an unusual .. i'm actually lost for words.
#1116 [05:34] <DiskDaemon> It's a button with rounded corners
#1117 [05:34] <DiskDaemon> Koch" It says: "Run Intel Driver Update Utility"
#1118 [05:35] <Koch> yes i have taken it
#1119 [05:35] <DiskDaemon> Koch: Is that not showing on the page for you? Ahh good.
#1120 [05:35] <skyboy> but yeah, the driver updates my help to a degree. but for the most part, the "short" rendering distance with old-style lighting and fast graphics will do the most good
#1121 [05:35] <DiskDaemon> *breathe*
#1122 [05:35] <DiskDaemon> skyboy: Such refinements can come after more major surgery
#1123 [05:36] <skyboy> indeed, and he should update. i just think the improvement will be very minor in comparison
#1124 [05:37] <DiskDaemon> We've seen some remarkable things in here over the months and years that we have been performing such procedures on peoples machines
#1125 [05:37] <Calinou> <skyboy> his integrated graphics chip has a whole 1% of his RAM for it's processing needs < no, his integrated GPU has 64MB _dedicated_ RAM
#1126 [05:38] <Calinou> skyboy, optifine :P
#1127 [05:38] <skyboy> yes, and i wouldn't be surprised if the 64 MB of RAM was integrated into the GPU's chip
#1128 [05:38] <DiskDaemon> it is, that's why it's called dedicated memory
#1129 [05:39] <skyboy> boards have dedicated memory, but they're not located on the chip itself
#1130 [05:39] <DiskDaemon> His notebook wouldn't be that advanced
#1131 [05:39] <skyboy> probably not
#1132 [05:40] <skyboy> that's why i called it a chip
#1133 [05:40] <DiskDaemon> It's an HP Envy 14 notebook. The manual will show actual details.
#1134 [05:40] <skyboy> if honestly isn't that important :P
#1135 [05:41] <DiskDaemon> I want to resolve this in a clear and factual manner
#1136 [05:41] <skyboy> but, if it were possible to move the processing to entirely on the CPU, that would probably be best; since it is an i5
#1137 [05:44] <Calinou> software rendering FTW
#1138 [05:44] <Calinou> no, it isn't a solution at all
#1139 [05:44] <Calinou> (if you were thinking about that)
#1140 [05:46] <DiskDaemon> Officially it uses a unified memory architecture (UMA, integrated) with shared video memory
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#1142 [05:49] <Th3D3v1L> Hi, my internet provider blocks p2p connection and so i'm unable to play minecraft online...what can i do ? other games works fine.
#1143 [05:49] <skyboy> interesting, dxdiag says it's an i5-450M but reports 4 cores. the 450M only has 2 cores
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#1145 [05:50] <DiskDaemon> It also has a separate graphics chip, page 74 from the maintenance and service guide for the notebook
#1146 [05:51] <Calinou> minecraft is not P2P, Th3D3v1L.
#1147 [05:51] <DiskDaemon> Th3D3v1L: You want to play multiplayer Minecraft even though your internet service provider is deliberately trying to stop you from doing so?
#1148 [05:52] <Calinou> so few games are actually P2P because it requires port forwarding or UPNP
#1149 [05:52] <DiskDaemon> Th3D3v1L: Which ISP are you with?
#1150 [05:52] <Th3D3v1L> TeleTu a Italian ISP
#1151 [05:53] <DiskDaemon> Th3D3v1L: There might be some useful info for you at http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/964151-do-some-isp-blocking-25565-port/
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#1153 [05:54] <Pymous> Hello !
#1154 [05:54] <DiskDaemon> hola
#1155 [05:54] <Pymous> I still have my Failed to verify username! error, DiskDaemon, i'm getting depressed :3
#1156 [05:54] <VoxelHead> Pymous - The Minecraft authentication servers are presently down. Mojang is currently working on fixing them. Please try again later. Single-player should still work in the mean time. This is an automated message.
#1157 [05:54] <Pymous> I need some recomfort ! :3
#1158 [05:55] <Calinou> hi frenchie :P
#1159 [05:55] <Pymous> :3
#1160 [05:55] <Calinou> no... the auth servers should work
#1161 [05:55] <Th3D3v1L> I tried to set the ports on the router but does not work
#1162 [05:55] <Pymous> Calinou > I know, we did some checkup with DiskDaemon last time, and it's not me
#1163 [05:56] <Pymous> I can play on minecraft.net, with my own account, but I can't using the .exe, another account work with the .exe on my PC, and my account doesn't work on another PC who work with another account
#1164 [05:56] <DiskDaemon> Th3D3v1L: Your ISP seems to deliberately try to prevent its users from playing multiplayer Minecraft. Use a different ISP.
#1165 [05:57] <Th3D3v1L> I know but now i CAN'T change my ISP.
#1166 [05:57] <DiskDaemon> Calinou: I came to an end of what I can check with Pymous - perhaps you might have some other inspiration than me
#1167 [05:57] <DiskDaemon> Th3D3v1L: How would you like us to help then?
#1168 [05:58] <Th3D3v1L> I do not know, I was hoping there was a solution
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#1170 [05:59] <DiskDaemon> Th3D3v1L: And there is a solution, which you ahve been given
#1171 [05:59] <skyboy> calinou: based on the stats i just saw, the i5 should be able to handle minecraft on its own at a decent framerate
#1172 [05:59] <Th3D3v1L> Yes....
#1173 [06:00] <DiskDaemon> It should, which is why a graphics driver update is done to bring that side of things up to scratch, which commonly resolves issues, and allows other efforts to bear fruit too
#1174 [06:00] <Th3D3v1L> Good bye
#1175 [06:00] <Th3D3v1L> Good bye
#1176 [06:00] * Th3D3v1L [Th3D3v1L@notlogged] has left #minecrafthelp
#1177 [06:00] <DiskDaemon> Th3D3v1L: We cannot give you waht you want - only what you need.
#1178 [06:00] * DiskDaemon shrugs
#1178 [06:03] <DiskDaemon> skyboy: This is your first day in this channel. We successfully help hundreds of people with their issues each week, and have a good process for doing so.
#1179 [06:03] <skyboy> i'm not disputing the process
#1180 [06:04] <DiskDaemon> I know, you're just wanting to race ahead to other steps that come much further down the line
#1181 [06:05] <DiskDaemon> skyboy: Have a bit of a read through this info that we have placed in VoxelHead, if you would like to know more about parts of the process http://paste.ubuntu.com/873641/
#1182 [06:07] <skyboy> lengthy
#1183 [06:08] <DiskDaemon> yes, we have collated a lot of lengthy info
#1184 [06:09] <Calinou> <skyboy> calinou: based on the stats i just saw, the i5 should be able to handle minecraft on its own at a decent framerate
#1185 [06:09] <Calinou> minecraft has no software rendering/whatever you want to do?
#1186 [06:09] <Calinou> if that's what you wanted, again
#1187 [06:09] <Calinou> or, are you wanting to emulate opengl?
#1188 [06:09] <skyboy> also, regarding distribution: (not that it's likely i'd put in this effort) if i made a program (likely not Java) that perfectly emulates minecraft, but uses my own code base with little-to-no code overlap; how would mojang react?
#1189 [06:10] <skyboy> random aside.
#1190 [06:10] <skyboy> calinou: the i5 has a built-in graphics processing subsystem
#1191 [06:10] <DiskDaemon> Others have done similar, to a poor reception
#1192 [06:10] <skyboy> oh, no. not a clone.
#1193 [06:11] <skyboy> it would read and write valid MC file to the same directories
#1194 [06:11] <DiskDaemon> "that perfectly emulates minecraft" - not a clone? COme on!
#1195 [06:11] <Calinou> > minetest :3
#1196 [06:12] <skyboy> it would, for all intents and purposes, be minecraft, written in ActionScript instead of Java
#1197 [06:12] <Calinou> it doesn't "emulate" MC, it cannot connect to MC servers
#1198 [06:12] <Calinou> AS? you serious?
#1199 [06:12] <DiskDaemon> Yes, a clone.
#1200 [06:12] <skyboy> it would be able to, calinou
#1201 [06:12] <skyboy> when i say perfectly, i mean it would emulate every feature, including muliplayer and account verification
#1202 [06:12] <DiskDaemon> Giving it a go as an exercise to learn things, I can go along with that type of idea
#1203 [06:13] <TheNoodle> Sounds like spout.
#1204 [06:13] <DiskDaemon> skyboy: I doubt that Mojang will like someone else making use of their accounts and verification processes though
#1205 [06:14] <Calinou> > that's probably not possible "legally", as the login process is compiled in MC's obfuscated code :P
#1206 [06:14] <Calinou> and decompiling/releasing changes is theorically illegal
#1207 [06:14] <skyboy> calinou: ActionScript3.0 has Stage3D (which uses DirectX or OpenGL; depending on the OS), and i have gotten very good ad writing code for Flash Player; to the point some of my classes outperform Adobe's C++ versions
#1208 [06:14] <DiskDaemon> skyboy: Because what you're wanting to do involves lots of accessing of the minecraft.net servers, which they can legitimately complain about
#1209 [06:15] <skyboy> aye, but it would incur no more overhead than minecraft itself
#1210 [06:15] <Calinou> directX sucks :P
#1211 [06:15] <DiskDaemon> skyboy: Yes it would incur extra overhead, because Mojang are not getting paid for your cloned version of their game, which is using their resources
#1212 [06:15] <Calinou> ^
#1213 [06:16] <skyboy> DirectX performs better than OpenGL on windows, doesn't it? been a while since i checked - disk, i wouldn't be releasing it to people
#1214 [06:16] <Calinou> often, not always, and it's buggy
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#1216 [06:16] <skyboy> more of a "hey, look; i can run MC on an unsupported computer" kind of thing
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#1218 [06:16] <Druadal> Wug
#1219 [06:16] <Druadal> Are you awake?
#1220 [06:16] <Calinou> guw
#1221 [06:16] <DiskDaemon> skyboy: As I said before, I can get behind the idea of doing it to try and learn something about the process, but not for distrubution
#1222 [06:18] <skyboy> also, calinou: http://www.kongregate.com/forums/4/topics/271808
#1223 [06:19] <skyboy> AS3 outperforming C++
#1224 [06:20] <Calinou> and noone uses AS, sorry
#1225 [06:20] <DiskDaemon> skyboy: What are the Minecraft bottlenecks that it's currently facing?
#1226 [06:20] <Calinou> also, tell me who made AS? some company like adobe?
#1227 [06:20] <Calinou> DiskDaemon, rendering (especially entities), and bandwidth
#1228 [06:20] <Calinou> > mobs are not backface culled
#1229 [06:20] <skyboy> Macromedia made AS1 and AS2; they're both very hard to use and very slow
#1230 [06:21] <Calinou> > no VBOs
#1231 [06:21] <skyboy> Adobe made AS3, which is a massive improvement; gave actually classes, and a VM+JIT, like Java
#1232 [06:21] <DiskDaemon> skyboy: You'd have to basically rewrite the entire rendering engine, with full compatibility
#1233 [06:21] <Calinou> still a VM
#1234 [06:21] <skyboy> not really, once the JIT gets its hands on it, it's native code
#1235 [06:21] <Calinou> skyboy, and, does AS work on linux?
#1236 [06:21] * Calinou waits for the answer
#1236 [06:22] <skyboy> partially
#1237 [06:22] <Calinou> PARTIALLY!
#1238 [06:22] <Calinou> this doesn't mean "yes"
#1239 [06:22] <DiskDaemon> That's a no.
#1240 [06:22] <skyboy> AIR works completely, last i checked, Flash Player has dropped support not through the pepper API
#1241 [06:22] <Calinou> flash sucks. especially on linux
#1242 [06:22] <Calinou> it's abandonned anyway :3
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#1244 [06:23] <skyboy> also, can you verify the AIR runtimes no longer work on linux? because AIR is the only way such a project is feasible
#1245 [06:24] <Calinou> not right now
#1246 [06:24] <Calinou> gtg
#1247 [06:24] <Calinou> anyway, just don't use a made-by-adobe language. it's evil
#1248 [06:24] <skyboy> it's an ECMAScript extension.. that ads strict typing and classes
#1249 [06:25] <DiskDaemon> skyboy: Why are you trying to convince us? Just go and do it
#1250 [06:26] <skyboy> a full implementation of minecraft? no thank you; i said above it's not likely
#1251 [06:27] <skyboy> the work load would be massive, particularly the upcoming 1.3 migration
#1252 [06:27] <DiskDaemon> skyboy: Just make sure that you use nothing of the Minecraft code, either from the MCP decompiled code or other sources. Mojang's lawyers will be after you if your implementation of that gets out
#1253 [06:27] <skyboy> the only big thing i'd utilize is the block representation
#1254 [06:28] <skyboy> it's compact and efficient, though buggy
#1255 [06:28] <DiskDaemon> Data files exist that detail how that is structured and used. Don't look at their code if you want to protect yourself in any way from accusations of theft.
#1256 [06:29] <skyboy> i would need to look at their code to implement AI and such correctly
#1257 [06:29] <DiskDaemon> skyboy: Then you will be making use of their code directly to write your own code, which is copyright infringement.
#1258 [06:30] <skyboy> only if i use their code in my code, and a substantially large enough swath
#1259 [06:30] <DiskDaemon> Copyright infringement exists even when parts of the code is used.
#1260 [06:30] <skyboy> but to get something that plays exactly like minecraft using minecraft files and servers, there's going to be a lot of things that function the same
#1261 [06:31] <skyboy> technically (m = i >> 31; r = i ^ m - m) is patented
#1262 [06:31] <skyboy> but you don't see oracle suing people over it
#1263 [06:31] <DiskDaemon> yet.
#1264 [06:31] <Druadal> Wug
#1265 [06:31] <Druadal> Wake up
#1266 [06:31] <skyboy> and once they try, the case will be thrown out and their patent invalidated. the code is too small.
#1267 [06:32] <DiskDaemon> skyboy: Have you seen the patent wars just over the slide/swipe guesture to unlock phones?
#1268 [06:32] <DiskDaemon> Educate yourself on such things.
#1269 [06:32] <skyboy> yes, and i'm watching the copyright and patent systems start to collapse under the weight
#1270 [06:32] <skyboy> judges are starting to throw the cases out, and prevent them from being retried
#1271 [06:33] <DiskDaemon> It is. Patents are freely given, under the acceptance that trials resolve issues and conflicts
#1272 [06:34] <DiskDaemon> If you don't have millions of dollars to fight in court though, you automatically lose.
#1273 [06:34] <skyboy> but either way, i'd be hopeful that a community-centric company like mojang would be more interested in hiring me to help optimize their code than to sue me for making a better client
#1274 [06:35] <DiskDaemon> Why don't you approach people who work fo Mojang then, to guage how they feel on the matter?
#1275 [06:36] <skyboy> because the project is too massive to even attempt, and i need a real job rather than rewriting minecraft (unless i was being paid)
#1276 [06:36] <DiskDaemon> Why would they want to support multiple code bases? They're removing the single player one only because it makes things easier for them to maintain and update by having the one client that does both single and multiplayer
#1277 [06:38] <skyboy> well, i can write Java as well as i can ActionScript and C++
#1278 [06:38] <DiskDaemon> skyboy: The question wasn't about what you can write. It was about why would Mojang want to support multiple bases of code?
#1279 [06:38] <skyboy> and there are a multitude of bottlenecks largely around the rendering code in minecraft as-is
#1280 [06:39] <skyboy> disk: by me being able to work with the code they already have, if they hired me, there would not be multiple code bases
#1281 [06:39] <DiskDaemon> You were saying that you want to use actionscript because it supports both directx and opengl
#1282 [06:40] <skyboy> if i were to write a personal client to run on a 10 year old machine that doesn't support pixel shaders. yes.
#1283 [06:41] <DiskDaemon> Well good luck. All that I can say on the topic is to not look at any of their code or classes when creating your own.
#1284 [06:41] <skyboy> it would be a large rewrite because i would maintain a custom software renderer, and a GPU renderer for machines that have it; and since i have a machine for each to test on
#1285 [06:42] <skyboy> and like isaid, this isn't something i would undertake. it's too large
#1286 [06:42] <DiskDaemon> So what is it that you are planning to do?
#1287 [06:42] <skyboy> i like hypotheticals, they lead to interesting conversations
#1288 [06:43] <skyboy> nothing, aside from perhaps rewrite the Java rendering code in a mod for myself. but i've seen that, and it's a mess
#1289 [06:44] <skyboy> so many conditional branches. the function alone should be busting caches and hindering performance
#1290 [06:47] <DiskDaemon> one of the more important things when rewriting such code, is to use the versioning system to work out why certain parts were written. Most of the time it's to deal with bugs of a certain nature, for example, and being able to duplicate those bugs and check that a rewrite still keeps those bugs fixed is an important part of things
#1291 [06:48] <DiskDaemon> Basically, what I'm saying is that a well-performing rewrite is useless when it doesn't fix many bugs that are known to occur
#1292 [06:48] <skyboy> my rewrite of the rendering code would initially break it down so that each class is responsible for rendering its own blocks/entities; it would reduce the function's size and therefore cache busting
#1293 [06:49] <DiskDaemon> That kind of rewrite would result in an explosion of rendering code being spread throughout all of the blocks and entities
#1294 [06:49] <skyboy> next, objects would be grouped and passed as typed arrays to the render functions, so all of their rendering can be done at once (z-sorting handled by the GPU). further reducing cache busting
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#1296 [06:50] <skyboy> yes, but i focus on speed; not human readability
#1297 [06:50] <DiskDaemon> Here's a tip - humans read the code when maintaining it and making further changes
#1298 [06:51] <skyboy> i write code that makes the computer do as much as possible with as little work as possible
#1299 [06:52] <DiskDaemon> Yes, I've participated wit some obfuscated code things before too
#1300 [06:52] <skyboy> spread out rendering code may be put into a set of RenderX classes, but the functions must be separated. having a single large function is creating a massive bottleneck
#1301 [06:53] <DiskDaemon> TO start by moving specific rendering logic in to the class that the logic belongs to, would be a beneficial change
#1302 [06:54] <skyboy> highest performance is achieved by keeping everything being worked on in-cache; that means small code sizes, and broken up code with as few jumps as possible
#1303 [06:55] <DiskDaemon> skyboy: I would be interested in seeing a blog of your progress with that
#1304 [06:56] <skyboy> i do have a blog, but i haven't really used it. would be an interesting project if i didn't need to get a job instead
#1305 [06:56] <DiskDaemon> additionally, such a blog is very useful for potential employers to check out too
#1306 [06:57] <skyboy> it would help solve my cache-22 problem with job experience
#1307 [06:57] <DiskDaemon> Because you are then directly demonstrating what you are capable of achieving
#1308 [06:58] <skyboy> the problem is, i don't think mojang would like me posting code fragments of their rendering code to demonstrate what's wrong
#1309 [06:58] <DiskDaemon> Stop guessing then - find out.
#1310 [06:59] <skyboy> their stance seems pretty clear to me, though: "Don't Distribute Code"
#1311 [06:59] <DiskDaemon> Create a post with certain code excerpts, and invite them to let you know what they think about it
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#1313 [07:00] <DiskDaemon> If they don't like it you can always take it down. If they're impressed, you then have their permission of sorts to continue
#1314 [07:00] <skyboy> i'll consider it, but it's 7 AM and i'm having trouble focusing; so now i go to find a dirt hole to curl up in 'til noon
#1315 [07:01] <Calinou> hi american! :P
#1316 [07:03] <DiskDaemon> I'd say from Ohio
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#1318 [07:06] <DiskDaemon> In fact, given the dirt hole comment, it could even be somewhere near Forest Park
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#1320 [07:35] <Druadal> Wub are you back yet
#1321 [07:35] <Calinou> wub, lol
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#1324 [07:47] <david_> hello
#1325 [07:48] <Calinou> hi
#1326 [07:49] <david_> yes am having a problem in the game like when i craft a iron door u cant open or close the door its like a block
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#1328 [07:50] <Andrio> You can't manually open or close an iron door.
#1329 [07:50] <zen> You need to use a lever to open it
#1330 [07:50] <Andrio> ^
#1331 [07:50] <zen> or any redstone pulse/signal
#1332 [07:50] <Necrodoom> for normal doors, use wooden doors
#1333 [07:53] <david_> oh i didnt know that thanks and theres another thing its a minor problem the game lags sometimes the sound affects does not sync with the tools
#1334 [07:55] <zen> david_, are you playing on a laptop?
#1335 [07:56] <david_> yea
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#1337 [07:56] <zen> Mmm thought so, your probably running on integrated graphics, which isn't idea, a dedicated graphics card is advised for minecraft
#1338 [07:57] <Calinou> sound delay can't really be fixed, it's intended to prevent sound "cutting out"
#1339 [07:57] <Calinou> you can restart the game and see if it works better
#1340 [07:57] <Calinou> zen, larger laptops have dedi GPUs... use "netbook", not "laptop"
#1341 [07:57] <Paulius^> Hello,how i can get free minefraft gift code?
#1342 [07:58] <zen> Paulius^, ask a friend to buy it?
#1343 [07:58] <DiskDaemon> You can't.
#1344 [07:58] <david_> thanks for ur help
#1345 [07:58] <Paulius^> But 1 guy get 10codes for free from minecraft admin
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#1347 [07:58] <mctopfer> Hi
#1348 [07:59] <mctopfer> I am new to minecraft and I want to play the free classic version on my pc
#1349 [07:59] <mctopfer> But I don't know how to install the game on my computer to play offline
#1350 [07:59] <mctopfer> Can anyone help me with that?
#1351 [07:59] <DiskDaemon> I don't think that classic is avaialable in an offline version
#1352 [07:59] <Necrodoom> classic is only playable on browser
#1353 [08:00] <mctopfer> ok, because I already played a bit on browser and start out in a world with all resources already in my inventory, would like to start from scratch
#1354 [08:00] <Paulius^> Ok... Who can sell to my minecraft acc or code?
#1355 [08:00] <zen> Minecraft.net is the only place you can purchase minecraft
#1356 [08:01] <mctopfer> So the payed version allows you to play offline then and from scratch
#1357 [08:01] <mctopfer> ?
#1358 [08:01] <Rikairchy> yes
#1359 [08:01] <Rikairchy> mctopfer
#1360 [08:01] <Rikairchy> you mean you wish to start from the very beginning?
#1361 [08:01] <DiskDaemon> Paulius^: minecraft.net is where you go to buy gift codes or an actual account
#1362 [08:01] <Rikairchy> a whole new world?
#1363 [08:01] <mctopfer> Yes
#1364 [08:01] <Rikairchy> start the game
#1365 [08:01] <Rikairchy> go to single player
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#1367 [08:01] <superkabii> classic was before survival mode was introduced
#1368 [08:01] <Rikairchy> then click the New World button
#1369 [08:01] <zen> Rikairchy, he's playing classic -.-
#1370 [08:01] <mctopfer> ok
#1371 [08:02] <Rikairchy> wtf.
#1372 [08:02] <mctopfer> That's only possible in the payed version then
#1373 [08:02] <mctopfer> right Rikairchy?
#1374 [08:02] <Rikairchy> yes.
#1375 [08:02] <Rikairchy> sorry, i was going by the topic
#1376 [08:02] <Rikairchy> "We do not support Classic or pre-releases"
#1377 [08:02] <mctopfer> Yep, I think it's a cool game, but didn't buy it yet, just wanted to get to know it
#1378 [08:02] <Rikairchy> well classic is WAY different than how it is now
#1379 [08:03] <Rikairchy> think of it was trying Windows 98 to see if you'd like 7
#1380 [08:03] <mctopfer> ok
#1381 [08:03] <mctopfer> i get it, is there day and night in classic?
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#1383 [08:03] <Rikairchy> I've never played classic
#1384 [08:03] <Rikairchy> only alpha, beta, and the current game
#1385 [08:04] <mctopfer> ok, thanks
#1386 [08:04] <Rikairchy> there is a day/night in the current game
#1387 [08:05] <mctopfer> I saw a tutorial and it looked pretty fun
#1388 [08:05] <Rikairchy> ah
#1389 [08:05] <mctopfer> I guess the tutorial was about the newest version
#1390 [08:06] <Rikairchy> most likely
#1391 [08:06] <Rikairchy> almost no one supports classic anymore
#1392 [08:06] <Rikairchy> this is the current version: http://puu.sh/HU5p
#1393 [08:07] <Necrodoom> classis has no day/night
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#1395 [08:07] <Necrodoom> there are no physics except sand, gravel, water, lava and the player
#1396 [08:07] <Necrodoom> if you can call them physics
#1397 [08:07] <MissFcmz> hi peeps, i am having a problem with a permissions node. i have added essentials.enchant and essentials.enchant.[enchantmentname] but my admin cannot use enchants. what am i doing wrong?
#1398 [08:07] <Necrodoom> MissFcmz: #essentials
#1399 [08:08] <MissFcmz> #essential
#1400 [08:08] <MissFcmz> ?
#1401 [08:08] <Necrodoom> no, #essentials
#1402 [08:08] <mctopfer> thanks
#1403 [08:08] <Necrodoom> MissFcmz: join that channel
#1404 [08:08] <zen> MissFcmz, do /join #essentials and ask there
#1405 [08:08] <mctopfer> ah just an image, thought it was a link to the game
#1406 [08:08] <MissFcmz> oh ty
#1407 [08:08] <MissFcmz> oh ty
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#1409 [08:09] <Necrodoom> mctopfer: http://www.minecraft.net/classic/play for classic
#1410 [08:09] <Morrolan> ??< classic
#1411 [08:09] <Morrolan> Hmph.
#1412 [08:10] <Necrodoom> >
#1413 [08:10] <Morrolan> Surprised there's no factoid in there.
#1414 [08:10] <Rikairchy> isn't the unsupport of classic fairly new?
#1415 [08:11] <Rikairchy> less than a week or so
#1416 [08:11] <SinZ> unsupport?
#1417 [08:11] <Rikairchy> the dropping of support
#1418 [08:11] <Morrolan> ??+ classic|Minecraft Classic is a severly outdated, archaic, unsupported version of Minecraft. It can be played for free here: http://www.minecraft.net/classic/play;;Keep in mind though, that neither we nor Mojang offer support for Minecraft Classic.
#1419 [08:11] <Morrolan> Rikairchy - We decided to drop support for Classic ages ago already.
#1420 [08:11] <Morrolan> As for Mojang, I wouldn't know.
#1421 [08:11] <Rikairchy> maybe I just noticed in the topic then :P
#1422 [08:11] <Morrolan> Most likely. ;)
#1423 [08:12] <SinZ> might want to reword pre-releases, to include snapshots
#1424 [08:12] <Calinou> ages ago?
#1425 [08:12] <Morrolan> http://minecraftirc.net/thread-41.html <- Heck, that poll was half a year ago already. oO
#1426 [08:12] <Calinou> only since 1 week
#1427 [08:12] <Calinou> (well in the topic)
#1428 [08:12] <Morrolan> The note in the topic has been there for longer than one week.
#1429 [08:13] <Rikairchy> are you sure?
#1430 [08:13] <Morrolan> Err, 90%-ish.
#1431 [08:13] <Rikairchy> Set by VoxelHead!~VoxelHead@ip68-104-171-151.ph.ph.cox.net on Fri Jul 06 15:02:31
#1432 [08:13] <Rikairchy> >.>
#1433 [08:13] <Morrolan> Well, yea, Vox changes the topic whenever the auth servers are down etc.
#1434 [08:14] <Morrolan> SinZ - Which prerelease factoid do you mean?
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#1436 [08:14] <Rikairchy> bad vox
#1437 [08:14] <zen> not factoid, he means the topic
#1438 [08:15] <Morrolan> Oh, the one in the topic? I always assumed that even the not-too bright people would understand that pre-releases and snapshots are the same.
#1439 [08:15] <zen> bracket snapshots then
#1440 [08:15] <bearskin98> will 1.3ghz run minecraft?
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#1442 [08:16] <zen> bearskin98, desktop? but not well i don't think, it is more down to graphics though
#1443 [08:16] <bearskin98> it has a amd radehon 6310
#1444 [08:16] <bearskin98> laptop
#1445 [08:16] <bearskin98> 3 gigs of ram
#1446 [08:16] <Rikairchy> is it a dual core?
#1447 [08:16] <Rikairchy> single?
#1448 [08:16] <bearskin98> dual
#1449 [08:16] <zen> Unlikely then,
#1450 [08:17] <Rikairchy> is it two threads, or two cores?
#1451 [08:17] <bearskin98> 2 cores i think
#1452 [08:17] <zen> 3gb ram > suggests 32bit
#1453 [08:17] <bearskin98> its 64bit
#1454 [08:18] <zen> Odd that 64bit would ship with 3gb of ram and not 4, anyway, is the graphics etegrated?
#1455 [08:18] <zen> integrated*
#1456 [08:18] <bearskin98> yup :(
#1457 [08:18] <Rikairchy> doubtful then.
#1458 [08:19] <zen> Very doubtful, as you'll be running both graphics and game processes on the CPU even with 6000 series graphics
#1459 [08:21] <Morrolan> Regarding the "We don't support Classic" in the topic - I just checked my logs, and it indeed was added recently. (Sorry Rikairchy :P)
#1460 [08:21] <Morrolan> I could've sworn I've seen it a long time ago already. :S
#1461 [08:21] <bearskin98> whats a good game that dosn't require alot of cpu
#1462 [08:22] <Morrolan> Minesweeper.
#1463 [08:22] <bearskin98> lol
#1464 [08:22] <Morrolan> Everything older than 2000.
#1465 [08:22] <DiskDaemon> Solitaire
#1466 [08:22] <Morrolan> older than 2000 == being from before 2000.
#1467 [08:22] <Morrolan> That sentence still doesn't sound too pretty, but you get what I mean. ;D
#1468 [08:22] <zen> Getting a deck of playing cards out the cupboard and playing solitair that way
#1469 [08:23] <bearskin98> well I guess i'll just go back to playing flight sim see ya guys later and thanks for the help
#1470 [08:27] <SinZ> Morrolan: Technically, Snapshot isnt a pre-release, or a release, it has its own type
#1471 [08:29] <Morrolan> Suppose so.
#1472 [08:29] <Morrolan> Then again, with Mojang everything's a bit different. See: Starting over with version numbers two times.
#1473 [08:29] <Morrolan> Be it as it be, with the new topic it should be clear. :)
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#1481 [09:39] <DiskDaemon> I've just finished a conversation in a channel where someone said: "HDD run on cds. thats why they make noise. thats the cds that are spinning. SSD's use chips to run"
#1482 [09:39] <zack6849> odd. my hdd doesnt make any audiable noise.
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#1484 [09:39] <Andrio> I can see where they were coming from, but it's a magnetic disk isn't it?
#1485 [09:39] <zack6849> and last i checked if it did make noise it would be due to the data arm thing moving
#1486 [09:39] <DiskDaemon> indeed
#1487 [09:39] <Andrio> i.e. not a CD,
#1488 [09:40] <zack6849> disk do hdd's usually make noise? o_0
#1489 [09:40] <Andrio> Yes, they do.
#1490 [09:40] <zack6849> i heard if they do that means somethings wrong
#1491 [09:40] <DiskDaemon> Only when they're working :)
#1492 [09:40] <Krash> Hey, so I've been trying to change skins. It says upload successful in the web page. But then when I run the client the skin change doesn't show up. I have the MLP mod and the other MLP skins work, But my custom one won't show up. It's png and stuff so that's all good. but Yeah. Not sure how to resolve it.
#1493 [09:40] <zack6849> maybe my fans drown out the noise
#1494 [09:40] <Andrio> If they make a really loud grinding noise, it means something's wrong.
#1495 [09:40] <DiskDaemon> It's when they make griding noises, or the occasional *graunch* when things get bad
#1496 [09:41] <zack6849> krakrash did you try restarting the launcher?
#1497 [09:41] <zack6849> wtf...
#1498 [09:41] <zack6849> *krash
#1499 [09:41] <jp_> I bought the premium membership at like midnight last night and when i try to sign in, it says "User Not Premium". When will it start to work, will i get a verification email or something, its been like 10 hrs since i bought it.
#1500 [09:41] <Krash> Hehe, Yeah I did. I've been trying since 9 this morning. I was contemplating re installing the game to see if that works
#1501 [09:41] <DiskDaemon> jp_: What is your username?
#1502 [09:42] <zack6849> krash did you try in the web client?
#1503 [09:42] <jp_> palmatree137
#1504 [09:42] <DiskDaemon> !paid palmatree137
#1505 [09:42] <DiskDaemon> jp_: Where did you buy it from?
#1506 [09:42] <zack6849> just see if the skin shows up in the web client, if it does then its because of your 20% cooler minecraft client
#1507 [09:42] <Krash> Not yet no, D'you think that might spur on a change then?
#1508 [09:42] <jp_> the minecraft site, it said that the payment was confirmed
#1509 [09:42] <Krash> :o..... you're so cool
#1510 [09:43] <DiskDaemon> jp_: Look at your bank account. Have you been charged?
#1511 [09:43] <zack6849> lol, not a brony but i have plenty of brony friends
#1512 [09:43] <Krash> Ugh, I don't wanna have to re-install I had a friend sort out the MLP mod, I have no idea how to re do it x_x
#1513 [09:43] <jp_> I'll check
#1514 [09:43] <zack6849> well like i said
#1515 [09:43] <zack6849> just check web client first
#1516 [09:43] <zack6849> dont do a reinstall yet
#1517 [09:44] <Krash> I shall. Thank yee love. -brb's-
#1518 [09:45] <zack6849> wait, krash
#1519 [09:45] <Krash> d'you think the fact that my Java's a little out of date might effect the client? o.o
#1520 [09:45] <zack6849> did that skin specify it was compatible with the MLP MOD?
#1521 [09:45] <zack6849> becuae ion the thread
#1522 [09:45] <zack6849> "the default player skins are not fully compatible with this mod"
#1523 [09:45] <Krash> I had it made o.o"
#1524 [09:45] <zack6849> "Players who aren't using a special pony skin will look like one of the background ponies from the show"
#1525 [09:45] <zack6849> :(
#1526 [09:46] <Krash> I had it made for me buy a chick on the brofooh.com website. so it should be compatible o.o"
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#1528 [09:46] <Krash> by*
#1529 [09:46] <zack6849> perhaps just make sure that it was made for the mlp mod
#1530 [09:46] <zack6849> becuase apparently the textures arent the same
#1531 [09:47] <zack6849> krash try loading the skin here
#1532 [09:47] <zack6849> http://justintime4java.weebly.com/experimental-stuff.html
#1533 [09:47] <Krash> Hmm.. Mkaii, I messaged the person who made it for me after it wasn't working and her displays when she showed examples had the mlp mod applied.. but eh..
#1534 [09:47] <lutzee> If it's using defaults from the mod, you might be able to replace one of the files from the mod, but other players wont be able to see it
#1535 [09:47] <zack6849> also try messaging her to make sure she iused a template similar to this
#1536 [09:47] <zack6849> http://justintime4java.weebly.com/uploads/9/0/3/1/9031637/skin.png
#1537 [09:47] <zack6849> thats the default pony skin png :P
#1538 [09:48] <Krash> Mkaii, Thanl yee ^^
#1539 [09:48] <Necrodoom> >MLP mod
#1540 [09:48] <Krash> Thank*
#1541 [09:48] <Necrodoom> >no support for mods
#1542 [09:48] <Necrodoom> ?
#1543 [09:48] <zack6849> no problem
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#1545 [09:48] <Krash> Yeah it's like that. I copared it to my other MLP skins.
#1546 [09:48] <zack6849> well necro is there a rule where were not allowed to help for mods even if we want to?
#1547 [09:49] <zack6849> well krash try getting the skin veiwer thing i liked you to and see if it loads right in there
#1548 [09:49] <zack6849> if so then its not the skins problem
#1549 [09:50] <zack6849> also if you cant get it to work they have sites that make skins for you
#1550 [09:50] <Krash> Mkaii hang on ^^
#1551 [09:50] <zack6849> for example this one
#1552 [09:50] <zack6849> http://www.minelittlepony.com/ponymaker.html
#1553 [09:50] <Krash> I tried that one, it didn't have the detail I wanted :/
#1554 [09:50] <zack6849> aww
#1555 [09:50] <zack6849> alright
#1556 [09:50] <zack6849> just wanted to make sure you knew that
#1557 [09:50] <zack6849> wait, did the other skins you tried actually work?
#1558 [09:51] <Krash> Thanks though ^^
#1559 [09:51] <Krash> The MLP skins that came with the mod worked yeah o.o
#1560 [09:51] <zack6849> have you tried any other skinnns for the mlp mod before?
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#1562 [09:52] <zack6849> try one of the ones from here
#1563 [09:52] <zack6849> http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/824588-mine-little-pony-skins-and-skin-requests/
#1564 [09:52] <zack6849> and if those work but the one you tried didnt, your skinner didnt do it rght :(
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#1567 [09:56] <Krash> Think I crashed o.o
#1568 [09:56] <zack6849> D:
#1569 [09:56] <Necrodoom> hence, Krash
#1570 [09:57] <Krash> Indeed xD
#1571 [09:57] <zack6849> heh, Necrodoom you so punny
#1572 [09:57] <Krash> That's my joke! xD
#1573 [09:57] <Krash> So Zack. D'you meet many female Bronies?
#1574 [09:58] <zack6849> i know exactly one
#1575 [09:58] <zack6849> xD
#1576 [09:58] <zack6849> the other 3 are guys
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#1579 [09:58] <Krash_> sigh. again apparently
#1580 [09:59] <zack6849> what exactly did you do when the crashes started?
#1581 [10:00] <Krash_> Tried to get to the minecraft page to open the browser game. But apparently Java's refusing to download correctly
#1582 [10:00] <zack6849> :(
#1583 [10:00] <zack6849> well im beginning to think it was the skin
#1584 [10:00] <zack6849> not entirely sure though
#1585 [10:00] <Guest27638> Hello, I am trying to make a payment but had to contact my bank due to it pulling up as been fraud. Anyway sorted that but now my card has been blocked for 24 hours, could someone help me? thanks.
#1586 [10:01] <Krash_> That's what I thought But I opened it up in GIMP and it looked fine. exactly the same size etc as the other MLP skins I have
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#1588 [10:02] <Krash_> D: I'm still here o.o
#1589 [10:02] <zack6849> 0_o
#1590 [10:02] <Krash_> Oh.. Hmm :s
#1591 [10:02] <Andrio> That used to happen to me all the time.
#1592 [10:02] <Krash_> silly ping x.x
#1593 [10:02] <zack6849> i was !kikced about four times by a mod once
#1594 [10:02] <zack6849> didnt go through
#1595 [10:02] <Andrio> Except now I have a NickServ registration, so I can kill the ghost.
#1596 [10:02] <Guest27638> Any help or?
#1597 [10:03] <jp_> when i am entering my credit card info to buy minecraft, after i enter all of the basic info like number, name, date, etc, i get to this step where it asks for a secure code and i dont know what that is
#1598 [10:03] <zack6849> you mean a ccv number?
#1599 [10:03] <zack6849> or a code for web transactions?
#1600 [10:03] <Guest27638> Guess not.
#1601 [10:04] <Guest27638> Hello, I am trying to make a payment but had to contact my bank due to it pulling up as been fraud. Anyway sorted that but now my card has been blocked for 24 hours, could someone help me? thanks.
#1602 [10:04] <jp_> the code for web transactions, where on the card is that
#1603 [10:04] <DiskDaemon> That's the 3 or 4 digit code from the back of the credit card
#1604 [10:04] <zack6849> Guest2763, if you were locked out we cant really help you
#1605 [10:04] <zack6849> jp_ the code for web isnt on the card
#1606 [10:04] <zack6849> there should be abutton that says i dont have a code
#1607 [10:04] <Guest27638> It says you guys can up lift it or something... plus I can some how but never said how as it gave me a transaction code?
#1608 [10:04] <zack6849> or something like that
#1609 [10:05] <lutzee> jp theres probably a 3 and 4 didgit code on the sign box on the back of the card,
#1610 [10:05] <lutzee> you probably want the 3 digit
#1611 [10:05] <jp_> ok, ill try these
#1612 [10:06] <Andrio> Guest27638, wait till after the 24 hours then try again?
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#1614 [10:07] <Krash_> :o
#1615 [10:07] <Krash> xD
#1616 [10:07] <steveos121> i tried to install a mod and now my minecraft won't load
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#1618 [10:07] <zack6849> well krash dop you know what program the skinner used?
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#1620 [10:08] <steveos121> i tried to install a mod and now my minecraft won't load
#1621 [10:08] <Andrio> steveos121, did you delete META-INF?
#1622 [10:08] <DiskDaemon> ??> steveos121 mods
#1623 [10:08] <VoxelHead> steveos121: (mods) This channel is not a venue for mod support, or support for modded servers. As it is impossible for anybody to know every combination of mods out there, this channel does not assist with unofficial third-party modded content.
#1624 [10:08] <VoxelHead> steveos121: (mods) For single player mods, contact the mod's creator or try http://tiny.cc/modinstall for general installation instructions. For bukkit help, use #bukkit; you can also search Google for a mod's installation instructions.
#1625 [10:08] <DiskDaemon> Having said that, we'll try to help with what we can
#1626 [10:08] <zack6849> steveos121, we dont usually support mods but a black screeen usuallymeans you didnt delete the meta-inf or install the prequisites
#1627 [10:09] <WarKosign> Hi, I noticed a new bug - snow golems not leaving a trail of snow in v12w27a. I did not find it documented anywhere - is it a known issue other people see too ?
#1628 [10:09] <steveos121> i forced updated it but meta inf didnt show up
#1629 [10:09] <Krash> No Zack I don't :/
#1630 [10:09] <Andrio> That step trips people up a lot.
#1631 [10:09] <zack6849> well perhaps ask her, because i really have no idea off the top of my head :(
#1632 [10:10] <zack6849> make sure hers supporst transparent teaxtures
#1633 [10:10] <steveos121> i forced updated it but meta inf didnt show up
#1634 [10:10] <zack6849> i think thats what the threadsaid
#1635 [10:10] <DiskDaemon> WarKosign: No, that bug isn't known about yet. Please report it to http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Known_bugs/Version_12w27a
#1636 [10:10] <zack6849> steveos121, where are you looking for the meta-inf?
#1637 [10:10] <Krash> Byee ^^
#1638 [10:10] <Krash> Awh, it's okay. Thank for your help anyway ^^ It's more than the load of bull some other site gave me ^^
#1639 [10:10] <WarKosign> DiskDaemon: maybe it's some local issue I'm having and not a real bug, is there point in me reporting it ?
#1640 [10:11] <zack6849> bye krash!
#1641 [10:11] <Krash> ^^
#1642 [10:11] <zack6849> good luck with the skin!
#1643 [10:11] <DiskDaemon> Yes there is a point - it allows others to find out about it and confirm whether it's happening on their system too
#1644 [10:11] <WarKosign> ok, will do
#1645 [10:11] <steveos121> the minecraft folder
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#1647 [10:12] <zack6849> steve
#1648 [10:12] <zack6849> steve
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#1650 [10:12] <steveos121> yes
#1651 [10:12] <zack6849> the meta-inf is in your minecraft.jar
#1652 [10:12] <WarKosign> I've built a nice snow farm yesterday and it noticed a small problem
#1653 [10:12] <steveos121> thats what i ment
#1654 [10:12] <zack6849> you forced an update and it didnt fix it?
#1655 [10:12] <steveos121> yes
#1656 [10:12] <zack6849> you didnt force an update ten
#1657 [10:13] <zack6849> force update will update your minecraft/jar
#1658 [10:13] <zack6849> *.jar
#1659 [10:13] <steveos121> what i did force update
#1660 [10:13] <steveos121> it didnt
#1661 [10:13] <zack6849> are you using a custom client?
#1662 [10:13] <steveos121> whats that
#1663 [10:13] * zack6849 facedesk
#1663 [10:14] <steveos121> whats facedesk i bought minecrafy
#1664 [10:14] <steveos121> whats facedesk i bought minecraft
#1665 [10:14] <DiskDaemon> steveos121: It's okay, he's just having a difficult time with things right now
#1666 [10:14] <zack6849> oh god, can somone else help this guy? im no good at explaining questions
#1667 [10:15] <DiskDaemon> Facedesk -> The act of planting one's face into a desk at high speeds usually due to embarrasment or frustration.
#1668 [10:15] <zack6849> ^^^^
#1669 [10:15] <zack6849> what he said
#1670 [10:15] <DiskDaemon> I'm past 2am whee my brain is a puddle of jellified goop
#1671 [10:15] <steveos121> ok no i am nine and i need help trying to fix minecraft
#1672 [10:15] <zack6849> oh god that explains so much
#1673 [10:15] <DiskDaemon> ??> steveos121 mods
#1674 [10:15] <VoxelHead> steveos121: (mods) This channel is not a venue for mod support, or support for modded servers. As it is impossible for anybody to know every combination of mods out there, this channel does not assist with unofficial third-party modded content.
#1675 [10:15] <VoxelHead> steveos121: (mods) For single player mods, contact the mod's creator or try http://tiny.cc/modinstall for general installation instructions. For bukkit help, use #bukkit; you can also search Google for a mod's installation instructions.
#1676 [10:16] <steveos121> i
#1677 [10:16] <steveos121> ok
#1678 [10:16] <steveos121> thanks
#1679 [10:16] <DiskDaemon> That's okay. Is there anything else we can help you with?
#1680 [10:17] <steveos121> no thanks i'm fine
#1681 [10:17] <DiskDaemon> you're welcome
#1682 [10:17] <steveos121> bye and thanks
#1683 [10:19] <DiskDaemon> zack6849: That's how you do it. There are just some problems that we cannot help with here
#1684 [10:20] <zack6849> what are all of voxelheads cmds? P
#1685 [10:20] <DiskDaemon> ?? help
#1686 [10:20] <VoxelHead> help: To use this service, there are several commands. ?? will answer a FAQ in-channel. ??< will privately send you the answer to a FAQ. ??> will answer a FAQ in channel with attention to the person you specify. ??>> will do the same, only privately
#1687 [10:20] <VoxelHead> help: For a list of FAQs I can answer (or more accurately, a link to one), check the keyword 'index' with '??< index'
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#1689 [10:20] <DiskDaemon> ??< index
#1690 [10:21] <zack6849> ??< index
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#1693 [10:33] <DMC> When I join my minecraft server it comes up with logging in then it goes to the dirt background then it crashes. Please help
#1694 [10:34] <jp_> My moms card is saying that minecraft is a blocked vendor and shes convinced that someone is going to hack into her account
#1695 [10:35] <DMC> When I join my minecraft server it comes up with logging in then it goes to the dirt background then it crashes. Please help
#1696 [10:35] <DiskDaemon> jp_: Before your mom's card can be used for the transaction, she might need to call the bank to allow international transactions to occur. Mojang is in Sweden.
#1697 [10:35] <DiskDaemon> DMC: I'm sorry, I cannot help you right now but I am sleeping.
#1698 [10:35] <DiskDaemon> Someone else here might be able to though
#1699 [10:36] <jp_> ok, will it be easier if i just get a prepaid visa card and use that
#1700 [10:36] <DiskDaemon> I've heard of troubles with prepaid cards
#1701 [10:36] <lutzee> Paypal would be a better option
#1702 [10:37] <DiskDaemon> You have to be 18 for paypal
#1703 [10:37] <lutzee> His Mum can use paypal, his mums card anyway
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#1705 [10:38] <DiskDaemon> His mum can also talk to the bank about allowing the card to be used for the overseas purchase
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#1707 [10:40] <quiggle> when ever i try joing a minecraft server it times out what can i do ?
#1708 [10:40] <quiggle> this happens on ever server i have tryed to join
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#1711 [10:41] <moiracookie> hello
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#1713 [10:41] <FlosDeLux> hello... is there a way to try out minecraft for free, like a time limited demo or something? wanna see if my kid will like it before i pay for it?
#1714 [10:41] <quiggle> hi can you help im trying to join a server but it keeps timing out :/
#1715 [10:42] <quiggle> im on 1.2.5
#1716 [10:42] <lutzee> quiggle, does this happen for all servers or just one?
#1717 [10:42] <quiggle> all servers
#1718 [10:43] <quiggle> iv tryed joining 26 servers today and it has timed otu
#1719 [10:43] <quiggle> out*
#1720 [10:44] <moiracookie> I have a 64bit window, running on 4gb ram, intel core 13 cpu m 370@2.40 ghz...im using Zonealarm firewall and avast pro anti-virus...but I am getting error messages like internal exception: java.net.socketexception:software ca
#1721 [10:45] <Morrolan> FlosDeLux - If you're on Windows then yes, there is a, while pretty outdated, demo version of Minecraft.
#1722 [10:45] <Morrolan> ??> FlosDeLux win/demo
#1723 [10:45] <moiracookie> *caused connection abort: socket writer error
#1724 [10:45] <geraldbrent> FlosDeLux, http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/04/19/download-the-minecraft-demo/ Here's a demo of an older version put together by pcgamer.
#1725 [10:45] <moiracookie> how i can resolbe this
#1726 [10:45] <moiracookie> *resolve
#1727 [10:46] <lutzee> moiracookie, what are you trying to do?
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#1729 [10:46] <quiggle> can anyone help me with my timing out issue ?
#1730 [10:46] <Morrolan> Disable ZoneAlarm, it likes to cause all kinds of funny issues.
#1731 [10:47] <moiracookie> I want to know how to resolve the internal exception: java.net.socketexception:software caused connection abort: socket writer error
#1732 [10:47] <lutzee> quiggle, add an exception in your firewall for minecraft and java
#1733 [10:47] <Morrolan> ??< demo
#1734 [10:47] <Morrolan> ??< demo/link
#1735 [10:47] <lutzee> moiracookie, what are you trying to do though? we can't help until we know where the problem occurs
#1736 [10:47] <moiracookie> it occurs when i try to log onto a server
#1737 [10:48] <Morrolan> ??- demo/link
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#1739 [10:48] <moiracookie> disable zone alarm/
#1740 [10:48] <lutzee> Okay like what Morrolan said disable zonealarm and try then, if that fixes it, then add an exception to allow minecraft and java access
#1741 [10:48] <moiracookie> thats my firewall
#1742 [10:48] <lutzee> It will be safe for 5 minutes to test it
#1743 [10:49] <quiggle> i dont know how to do that :/
#1744 [10:50] <Morrolan> Should be an option somewhere in its menu, Google might help.
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#1746 [10:50] <Morrolan> ??< fubar/zonealarm
#1747 [10:50] <moiracookie> i disabled zonealarm
#1748 [10:50] <moiracookie> nothing changed
#1749 [10:51] <Morrolan> ??< win/avast
#1750 [10:51] <Morrolan> Hmm, nope, not what I was looking for.
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#1752 [10:52] <Morrolan> Zonealarm is disabled and you still get that issue? Is there anything in Avast which might block Minecraft?
#1753 [10:53] <moiracookie> how do i check how avast is blocking minecraft
#1754 [10:53] <Morrolan> I have no clue, does it have a firewall as well?
#1755 [10:54] <moiracookie> no the provirus one has auto sandbox...
#1756 [10:54] <moiracookie> but no firewall...
#1757 [10:55] <Morrolan> Try to disable it temporarily, so you see whether Avast is the culprit or not.
#1758 [10:56] <moiracookie> well thing is...
#1759 [10:56] <moiracookie> i did switch to MS security essentials and my computer slowed down after i got that program
#1760 [10:56] <moiracookie> so...
#1761 [10:56] <moiracookie> i dont know
#1762 [10:56] <moiracookie> i dont know
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#1764 [10:58] <moiracookie> i added the exception of C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin
#1765 [10:58] <moiracookie> but didnt help
#1766 [10:58] <moiracookie> on my avast
#1767 [10:58] <Morrolan> Add one for the Minecraft executable as well.
#1768 [10:59] <Morrolan> But really, the easiest solution would be if you temporariyl turned off all the security software, so you'd see whether one of them is causing the issue, or whether it's something different.
#1769 [10:59] <moiracookie> if i turn off my anti virus i fall thru the world in minecraft on a server
#1770 [10:59] <Morrolan> That is a known issue with ZoneAlarm.
#1771 [11:00] <DiskDaemon> ?? fubar/zonealarm
#1772 [11:00] <moiracookie> no my anti virus is avast
#1773 [11:00] <VoxelHead> fubar/zonealarm: Don't use ZoneAlarm. It's bloated, resource-heavy software that does more harm than good, and in fact is known to cause problems with Minecraft specifically, such as connecting to servers and falling endlessly through the void, or even crashing servers entirely.
#1774 [11:00] <VoxelHead> fubar/zonealarm: Official report thread about ZA-induce server crashes is here: http://getsatisfaction.com/mojang/topics/minecraft_crashes_in_multiplayer_socketexception_if_firewa
#1775 [11:00] <Morrolan> But you are using ZoneAlarm you said, and ZoneAlarm is known to cause such issues.
#1776 [11:00] <moiracookie> ok but zonealarm is off for now
#1777 [11:01] <moiracookie> and im using the default firewall
#1778 [11:02] <DiskDaemon> Why are you using the default firewall when you have been told to turn off your firewalls?
#1779 [11:03] <moiracookie> i was never told to turn off my firewall
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#1781 [11:03] <moiracookie> i was told to turn off my anti virus which is scanning right now
#1782 [11:04] <DiskDaemon> sorry for the bother, /me goes back to sleep
#1783 [11:04] <zack6849> gnight DiskDaemon
#1784 [11:05] <zack6849> :P
#1785 [11:05] <moiracookie> im sorry...
#1786 [11:05] <moiracookie> so i should turn off my firewall as well?
#1787 [11:06] <zack6849> ye
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#1799 [12:02] <moono> hey
#1800 [12:03] <moono> how cn my bro andi play minecraft together?
#1801 [12:03] <moono> when he is on and i try to login in it says "login failed"
#1802 [12:05] <Trickster> You need two accounts to for two people to play at once.
#1803 [12:06] <moono> i now
#1804 [12:06] <moono> i have 2
#1805 [12:06] <moono> wait lemme check
#1806 [12:07] <moono> !paid EnderBrine327
#1807 [12:07] <moono> !paid moonofevil
#1808 [12:07] <moono> hmm
#1809 [12:07] <moono> weboth paye
#1810 [12:07] <moono> i wonder...
#1811 [12:07] <computerdude5000> !paid computer
#1812 [12:08] <moono> lemme se
#1813 [12:08] <computerdude5000> sooo my step dad hasn't paid for my bro then
#1814 [12:08] <moono> !paid computerdude5000
#1815 [12:08] <moono> there
#1816 [12:08] <moono> waait
#1817 [12:08] <moono> i
#1818 [12:08] <moono> see
#1819 [12:09] <SinZ> !paid S1NZ
#1820 [12:12] <Grim_Reaper> Isn't SinZ a name of some pronz artist o_O
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#1822 [12:12] <SinZ> iunno
#1823 [12:12] <Grim_Reaper> Hmm. Well do you draw pronz?
#1824 [12:12] <SinZ> ofc not...
#1825 [12:12] <Grim_Reaper> :<
#1826 [12:12] <SinZ> a simple google will say SinZ is very common, unfortunally
#1827 [12:13] <Grim_Reaper> Too bad.
#1828 [12:13] <Grim_Reaper> Im sure some people would love Rule 34 minecraft in high amounts
#1829 [12:13] <SinZ> you clearly havent met google yet
#1830 [12:13] <Grim_Reaper> Oh I have :3
#1831 [12:13] <Grim_Reaper> But I hear theres lack of mc stuff
#1832 [12:25] <|Kiichan|> theres a lack.. not a void...
#1833 [12:25] <breebot> [Antiflood] Cool down, this command can only be typed every 60 secs
#1834 [12:25] <breebot> [Antiflood] Cool down, this command can only be typed every 60 secs
#1835 [12:25] <|Kiichan|> ....?
#1836 [12:25] <breebot> [Antiflood] Cool down, this command can only be typed every 60 secs
#1837 [12:25] <breebot> [Antiflood] Cool down, this command can only be typed every 60 secs
#1838 [12:26] <|Kiichan|> bree stp.
#1839 [12:26] <breebot> [Antiflood] Cool down, this command can only be typed every 60 secs
#1840 [12:26] <breebot> [Antiflood] Cool down, this command can only be typed every 60 secs
#1841 [12:26] <Andrio> Bot wars :D
#1842 [12:26] <Necrodoom> bot malfunction
#1843 [12:26] <|Kiichan|> the bot with op always wins :P
#1844 [12:26] <SinZ> bots*
#1845 [12:27] <computerdude5000> that bot hit bukkitdev as weill lol
#1846 [12:27] <Grim_Reaper> lol
#1847 [12:27] <|Kiichan|> someone failed floodprot coding
#1848 [12:27] <computerdude5000> alot more in bukkit devn they don't have wugbot lol
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#1851 [12:29] <jp_> can you check if im premium: username: palmatree137
#1852 [12:29] <computerdude5000> !paid palmatree137
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#1854 [12:34] <Morrolan> Well, if my memory serves me right I already had to get rid of breebot once.
#1855 [12:35] <Morrolan> For the forseeable future we won't have to worry about him anymore.
#1856 [12:35] <Morrolan> Also, any idea whom he belongs to?
#1857 [12:36] <Necrodoom> he spammed on #bukkitdev aswell
#1858 [12:36] <Morrolan> There is no "Bree", nor has there been one recently.
#1859 [12:36] <Morrolan> Suppose I'll grep logfiles for the hostmask.
#1860 [12:37] <GreyVulpine> breebot «~kvirc@cpc22-bsfd7-2-0-cust920.5-3.cable.virginmedia.com» has Quit iRC (KVIrc 4.1.3 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/) «154 people»
#1861 [12:37] <Morrolan> Ah, breezeyboy it is.
#1862 [12:37] <Morrolan> Last seen four days ago, suppose his bot went on a rampage because he missed him. ;)
#1863 [12:39] <computerdude5000> rofl
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#1865 [12:41] <Necrodoom> another spammer at #bukkit..
#1866 [12:42] <Morrolan> Yea, that one seems to be more of a raging kid though, whereas breebot looks like a faulty bot.
#1867 [12:42] <Grim_Reaper> lol
#1868 [12:43] <Necrodoom> ive seen a similar IP though
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#1870 [12:43] <Necrodoom> yesterday, spamming with 7 bots
#1871 [12:43] <obi_wan> hello
#1872 [12:43] <obi_wan> i have a problem with a minecraft client
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#1874 [12:45] <Morrolan> Just state your issue.
#1875 [12:45] <rad4Christ> Hey guys, I've set up a bukkit server, and at night, if a player and an op is on the server, only the player has to sleep formorning to come. The op does not have to.
#1876 [12:45] <rad4Christ> Any idea if this is intended and what to do to correct this?
#1877 [12:45] <Morrolan> That's a plugin doing that.
#1878 [12:46] <rad4Christ> All I have is essentials.
#1879 [12:46] <Morrolan> There are plugins where you can give people the permission not having to sleep.
#1880 [12:46] <rad4Christ> OK.
#1881 [12:46] <Morrolan> Now if you op yourself, you might receive that permission.
#1882 [12:46] <rad4Christ> I'll look through them.
#1883 [12:46] <Morrolan> The best solution would be to use a real permission management system, like bPermissions or PermissionsEx or similar. :)
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#1885 [12:46] <Necrodoom> Morrolan: ...
#1886 [12:46] <Morrolan> (It's a bit of work to set up, but worth it afterwards)
#1887 [12:46] <rad4Christ> Well, this server is only for myselfand my children.
#1888 [12:46] <Morrolan> Necrodoom - Hmm?
#1889 [12:46] <VoxelHead> let's go to my room, pig
#1890 [12:46] <Morrolan> rad4Christ - Ah, then that'd be an overkill indeed.
#1891 [12:46] <rad4Christ> I like essentials ability to add a few commands. That's all.
#1892 [12:47] <Necrodoom> Morrolan: you are missing the point
#1893 [12:47] <Necrodoom> rad4Christ: thats an essentials feature
#1894 [12:47] <Necrodoom> rad4Christ: il get you the node that does it
#1895 [12:47] <|Kiichan|> vox, here, have a drugged weevil.
#1896 [12:47] <Morrolan> Necrodoom - Hmm?
#1897 [12:47] <VoxelHead> so, like, i made mashed potatoes!
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#1899 [12:47] <Morrolan> Huh, since when is Vox talking again?
#1900 [12:47] <Necrodoom> rad4Christ: disable essentials.sleepingignored
#1901 [12:48] <Necrodoom> Morrolan: with ALL permissions plugin, if you OP yourself it equals * i remember
#1902 [12:48] <Morrolan> Nope, that is up to the plugin.
#1903 [12:49] <rad4Christ> Necrodoom, Where, inthe config.yaml?
#1904 [12:49] <Morrolan> E.g. VanishNoPacket won't give you the explosion perms if you are simply op, it's only a punishment for using "*".
#1905 [12:49] <VoxelHead> You're on fire.
#1906 [12:49] <Necrodoom> rad4Christ: well, you are an OP, you cant negate it
#1907 [12:49] <Morrolan> Necrodoom - In order to do so he'd have to use a permissions plugin though.
#1908 [12:49] <VoxelHead> tacos
#1909 [12:49] <Necrodoom> rad4Christ: better get a permissions plugin, like GM, and set a negateable group
#1910 [12:50] <rad4Christ> Necrodoom, I don't know if I want to add more to the serve rjsut for that ability.
#1911 [12:50] <VoxelHead> Do you have any taquitos?
#1912 [12:50] <rad4Christ> I may just deal with it.
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#1914 [12:52] <Necrodoom> rad4Christ: also, #bukkit is for bukkit server questions, btw
#1915 [12:53] <rad4Christ> OK, I'll check there, too! Thanks!
#1916 [12:53] <rad4Christ> Also, as an aside, anything in the snapshots that make it worth moving to instead of latest bukkit build?
#1917 [12:54] <|Kiichan|> if you use plugins, then youll always use bukkit
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#1919 [12:55] * AnaeonVaria desires assistance running MC on Linux x64.
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#1921 [12:56] <Shotz> Grim_Repear, ma sounds stopped again
#1922 [12:57] <AnaeonVaria> Anyone here who can help with running under Linux?
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#1924 [12:58] <|Kiichan|> i dunno linux all that well... but it should simply be having java (sometimes openjdk doesnt work) and video drivers
#1925 [12:59] <Smartydaniel> Hi, Im having a problem with Minecraft that when I connect to a server all it says is downloading terrain whats the problem?
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#1927 [13:00] <|Kiichan|> Smartydaniel: its a connection issue i think
#1928 [13:00] <Smartydaniel> What do you mean?
#1929 [13:01] <|Kiichan|> meaning your connection to the server is failing.
#1930 [13:01] <AnaeonVaria> I'm running it under Oracle (Sun) JRE, not Open JDK.
#1931 [13:02] <Smartydaniel> does that mean i have to replace something?
#1932 [13:02] <|Kiichan|> Smartydaniel: do you have the same problem with mc.minecraftirc.net ?
#1933 [13:02] <Smartydaniel> no but with the internet yeah
#1934 [13:02] <Smartydaniel> it started today
#1935 [13:02] <|Kiichan|> Smartydaniel: so you can connect to that server? :P
#1936 [13:03] <Smartydaniel> no
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#1938 [13:04] <|Kiikun|> ~.~ i always drop at 1... WHY?!
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#1940 [13:07] <jp_> my card has been disabled for 24 hrs, if i wait the 24 hrs, will i be able to use it again because i know what i did wrong
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#1942 [13:08] <|Kiikun|> jp: yes that lockout is just to prevent impatinece from becomign multiple charges :3
#1943 [13:09] <jp_> So it hasnt charged me at all
#1944 [13:09] <Shotz> My sound isnt working, at all
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#1946 [13:12] <iKrill> When 1.3 comes out, it won't be possible to downgrade to 1.2.5 right? and can I choose not to update when I sign in?
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#1948 [13:13] <|Kiikun|> iKrill: correct. you CAN back up the 1.2.5 jar as well
#1949 [13:13] <|Kiikun|> itsin .minecraft/bin//
#1950 [13:14] <iKrill> so after it updates just replace it with the 1.2.5 jar?
#1951 [13:14] <iKrill> but then it will update everytime I launch it :/
#1952 [13:14] <|Kiikun|> just say 'no i dont want to update' when it asks
#1953 [13:14] <iKrill> Oh, didn't it would ask
#1954 [13:14] <|Kiikun|> but it will ask every time :P
#1955 [13:14] <iKrill> didn't know*
#1956 [13:15] * |Kiikun| has backup jars dating back to beta1.7
#1956 [13:15] <iKrill> It'll only be until my fav mods are updated so won't bug me much
#1957 [13:15] <lutzee> Asking to update is part of the launcher
#1958 [13:15] <iKrill> I've only played 1.2.5 and the updates.
#1959 [13:15] <iKrill> I bought the game in feb 2012 :D
#1960 [13:16] <iKrill> Real noob
#1961 [13:16] <iKrill> the snapshots*
#1962 [13:18] <iKrill> Updates usually come out at what time?
#1963 [13:19] <|Kiikun|> the snapshots or the version releases?
#1964 [13:20] <iKrill> snapshots
#1965 [13:20] <iKrill> I mean releases
#1966 [13:21] <|Kiikun|> "when theyre done" :P
#1967 [13:21] <iKrill> Confused the question with something else
#1968 [13:21] <|Kiikun|> jeb was aimign for aug 1st
#1969 [13:21] <|Kiikun|> jeb was aimign for aug 1st
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#1971 [13:21] <VoxelHead> mmm Shotz
#1972 [13:21] <iKrill> So even if he said Aug 1st it could be delayed?
#1973 [13:22] <|Kiikun|> or could be early! :P
#1974 [13:23] <computerdude5000> ive been thinking maybe i should tell jeb after 1.3 to get xbox and i products up to 1.3 as well and then release some kind of server (java based ) to link all 3 together lol
#1975 [13:23] <|Kiikun|> jebs not workign on the xbox or pocket editions
#1976 [13:23] <|Kiikun|> those have their own teams workign on converting them.
#1977 [13:24] <computerdude5000> ohhh
#1978 [13:24] <|Kiikun|> and each of them work differently... so they wont get linked up to the same servers.
#1979 [13:25] <|Kiikun|> only cross-platform is ios-android... and then normal minecraft (since its all run on java)
#1980 [13:27] <iKrill> computerdude5000: Mojang isn't really part of the Minecraft for 360... Sure they made the game but its another studio who wrote the game code
#1981 [13:27] <iKrill> They had to convert Minecraft from Java to whatever language the 360 uses
#1982 [13:28] <Eddie> Gibberish?
#1983 [13:28] <zack6849> iKrill, from what i heard it is java, but a heavily modigied version
#1984 [13:28] <zack6849> *:modified
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#1987 [13:29] <iKrill> zack6849: Still I don't get why they started on such an early build of minecraft
#1988 [13:29] <iKrill> instead of 1.1 or 1.2
#1989 [13:29] <zack6849> yeah i have no idea Dx
#1990 [13:29] <zack6849> ill have to returbn in a moment, i gotta restart my pc in a sec
#1991 [13:29] <iKrill> Also, Whats the difference between minecraft 1.8 and 1.2?
#1992 [13:29] <computerdude5000> ahhh ok that makes since and it is some form of a C language C++ C#
#1993 [13:30] <GreyVulpine> 1.8 was beta. 1.2.5 is the current final release
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#1995 [13:30] <computerdude5000> minecraft 1.8 was beta
#1996 [13:30] <jp_> I messed up my card info when buying the game and it says to wait 24 hrs, i know what i did wrong. is there any way to get it today, or do i have to wait the 24 hrs
#1997 [13:30] <GreyVulpine> Try using paypal
#1998 [13:30] <iKrill> So when the game went gold it was restarted to 1.0?
#1999 [13:30] <GreyVulpine> Right
#2000 [13:30] <iKrill> Might work
#2001 [13:31] <jp_> paypal will take 3-5 business days to transact
#2002 [13:31] <iKrill> Paypal didn't work for me when I tried buying it.
#2003 [13:31] <GreyVulpine> jp_ - It was quick for me.
#2004 [13:31] <iKrill> Paypal is instant...
#2005 [13:31] <GreyVulpine> It's usually instananeous, except when you're using it to wire money
#2006 [13:31] <|Kiikun|> the paypal opti was back? looked a few days ago and didnt see it o.o;
#2007 [13:32] <GreyVulpine> Paypal isn't an option for gifting, it still is for buying an account (I think)
#2008 [13:32] <|Kiikun|> oh. ok.
#2009 [13:32] <GreyVulpine> Yup, paypal's still an option for purchasing an account with, missing from the gift code pay
#2010 [13:32] <GreyVulpine> page*
#2011 [13:33] <jp_> can i transfer my prepaid visa code onto paypal and buy it that way
#2012 [13:33] <GreyVulpine> Depends, only way to find out is to try.
#2013 [13:34] <computerdude5000> should be able to link the card with paypal <buy minecraft with paypal < paypal - money from the card = 1 active account is how it should go lol
#2014 [13:35] <jp_> if it doesnt work, can i try the card again in 24 hrs
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#2017 [13:35] <Jeremy> hello
#2018 [13:35] <computerdude5000> switched accounts lol
#2019 [13:35] <Jeremy> ok
#2020 [13:35] <Jeremy> anyone else play multiplay frequently?
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#2022 [13:36] <Jeremy> i play on the server 173.236.28.26:25590
#2023 [13:36] <Jeremy> its really good
#2024 [13:36] <Jeremy> the admin is quite kind
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#2027 [13:38] <Jeremy> hello g do you wanna find a server to pay on if so play on 173.236.28.26:25590
#2028 [13:38] <Jeremy> i like the server at 173.236.28.26:25590
#2029 [13:39] <g> Jeremy: Are you an admin on that server?
#2030 [13:39] <Jeremy> i am relativly high ranked
#2031 [13:40] <Jeremy> my in game name is heath273
#2032 [13:40] <g> ah
#2033 [13:40] <g> well, heath273
#2034 [13:40] <g> thanks for giving me your username
#2035 [13:40] <Jeremy> if you manage to get people to join then you probably will get in game promotions
#2036 [13:40] <g> welcome to the known spammers list.
#2037 [13:40] <Jeremy> your welcome
#2038 [13:40] <Jeremy> thank you
#2039 [13:40] <computerdude5000> bahahahhaha
#2040 [13:40] <VoxelHead> You dare tell me what i already know?!?!?!
#2041 [13:40] <computerdude5000> i don't think he gets it
#2042 [13:41] <g> neither do I
#2043 [13:41] <g> but oh well
#2044 [13:41] <g> :P
#2045 [13:41] <computerdude5000> *hides from voxel
#2046 [13:41] <g> I can't tell if that was automated or not
#2047 [13:41] <g> :P
#2048 [13:42] <minecraftfan101> hi
#2049 [13:43] * Aythrea [Aythrea@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#2050 [13:43] <g> ohai Aythrea
#2051 [13:43] <Aythrea> Haldo.
#2052 [13:43] <computerdude5000> hi aythrea
#2053 [13:43] <computerdude5000> aww he quit
#2054 [13:43] <g> lol
#2055 [13:43] <Aythrea> Yeah...
#2056 [13:43] <g> he pinged out
#2057 [13:43] <Aythrea> Musta seen me coming. XD
#2058 [13:44] <g> XD
#2059 [13:44] <computerdude5000> i think i will gooo have a wee bit of fun right now muhahhhahha
#2060 [13:44] <Aythrea> clearly not playing Diablo3.
#2061 [13:45] <Aythrea> ...there's not been much fun in that lately.
#2062 [13:45] <computerdude5000> lol
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#2064 [13:46] <iKrill> How do I farm pumpkins at a good rate?
#2065 [13:46] <Aythrea> Automation?
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#2068 [13:49] <Rosencrantz> When you join a multiplayer server for the first time, do you start at the spawn point for the server or at a random location?
#2069 [13:50] * Gordan [Gordan@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#2070 [13:50] <computerdude5000> spawn
#2071 [13:50] <Gordan> connect to 173.236.28.26:25590
#2072 [13:51] <g> oh hey, he's back
#2073 [13:51] <Rosencrantz> Ok cool, thanks!
#2074 [13:51] <Gordan> sup g
#2075 [13:51] <g> sup
#2076 [13:51] <Gordan> yeah im back
#2077 [13:51] <Gordan> how you doing?
#2078 [13:51] <g> Pretty good, actually
#2079 [13:51] <Gordan> nice
#2080 [13:51] <Gordan> anyways
#2081 [13:51] <g> and yourself?
#2082 [13:51] <g> :P
#2083 [13:52] <Gordan> im well thanks
#2084 [13:52] <Gordan> im trying to get more people online at the server
#2085 [13:52] <g> I see that.
#2086 [13:52] <Gordan> its not really going to well
#2087 [13:52] <Gordan> any suggestion on a better way to do so?
#2088 [13:52] <g> try the server lists instead of spamming IRC channels?
#2089 [13:52] <Gordan> aside from just chatting 173.236.27.26:25590
#2090 [13:52] <Gordan> its not reaally spam if its like 2 messages but i see your point
#2091 [13:53] <g> well, actually yeah, it is
#2092 [13:53] * breezeyboy [breezeyboy@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#2093 [13:53] <Aythrea> Yup. Spam.
#2094 [13:53] <breezeyboy> [Antiflood] Cool down, this command can only be typed every 60 secs
#2095 [13:53] <breezeyboy> [Antiflood] Cool down, this command can only be typed every 60 secs
#2096 [13:53] <breezeyboy> Aythrea have been FUCKED!, fucked 9 times!
#2097 [13:53] * VoxelHead kicked breezeyboy from #minecrafthelp (Reason: reezeyboy :Banned: We don't need any unauthorized, talkative bots in here. If you're the bot's owner, contact staff for an unban.)
#2098 [13:53] <g> ..that's impressive.
#2099 [13:53] <g> lol
#2100 [13:53] <computerdude5000> ROFL
#2101 [13:53] <g> DopeGhoti, my hat goes off to you.
#2102 [13:54] <computerdude5000> 20 points to voxel
#2103 [13:54] <iKrill> what're wells for? I found but whats the point?
#2104 [13:55] <Grim_Reaper> lol
#2105 [13:55] <Aythrea> 9 times?
#2106 [13:55] <Aythrea> 9 times?
#2107 [13:55] * Rosencrantz [Rosencrantz@notlogged] has left #minecrafthelp
#2108 [13:55] <Aythrea> ...Didn't feel a thing.
#2109 [13:55] <Aythrea> Must not be very good at what he does.
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#2111 [14:01] <DopeGhoti> g: I like hats.
#2112 [14:01] * enuf4u [enuf4u@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#2113 [14:02] <g> DopeGhoti: can you fix the spammer? :P
#2114 [14:02] <enuf4u> i just downloaded and ran minecraft for pc. it keeps saying failed to launch (2) null. any ideas?
#2115 [14:02] <DopeGhoti> g: which one? There are several.
#2116 [14:02] <g> [18:52] <Gordan> aside from just chatting 173.236.27.26:25590
#2117 [14:02] <g> [18:52] <Gordan> its not reaally spam if its like 2 messages but i see your point
#2118 [14:02] <g> this one? :P
#2119 [14:03] * Grim_Reaper requests penguins from DopeGhoti
#2119 [14:03] * DopeGhoti sends Grim_Reaper sime tuxedobirds
#2119 [14:03] <computerdude5000> what bout this 1 g |||||||Jeremy hello g do you wanna find a server to pay on if so play on 173.236.28.26:25590 13:38 Jeremy i like the server at 173.236.28.26:25590 13:39 g Jeremy: Are you an admin on that server?
#2120 [14:03] <Grim_Reaper> D:
#2121 [14:03] <Grim_Reaper> computerdude5000...
#2122 [14:03] <Grim_Reaper> Please dont advertise
#2123 [14:03] <g> computerdude5000, it's hte same person
#2124 [14:04] <Grim_Reaper> Thats what #smp is for :3
#2125 [14:04] <g> the*
#2126 [14:04] <g> Grim_Reaper, that was copypasta
#2127 [14:04] <computerdude5000> oh it is the same person
#2128 [14:04] <Grim_Reaper> I guessed as much g
#2129 [14:04] <g> :P
#2130 [14:04] <zkxs> Time for some load testing? >:)
#2131 [14:04] <Grim_Reaper> Kidding na >_>
#2132 [14:04] <Grim_Reaper> Only realized after g :p
#2133 [14:04] * VoxelHead kicked computerdude5000 from #minecrafthelp (Reason: omputerdude5000 :Banned: Repeated rules violations. PLease take a day to familiarize yourself with the rules: http://is.gd/zB1w9I)
#2134 [14:05] <enuf4u> Failed to Launch (2): null ...................................any idea why this is happening?
#2135 [14:05] <Grim_Reaper> hmm..
#2136 [14:05] <zkxs> Oh gawd, for some reason my home folder has 31 hs_err_pid*.logs
#2137 [14:05] <Grim_Reaper> I have some of those..
#2138 [14:07] <iKrill> oh nice minecraft 1.7.3 comes out for the 360 tommorrow
#2139 [14:07] <iKrill> tomorrow*
#2140 [14:08] * jnelmark [jnelmark@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#2141 [14:08] <jnelmark> wers vive
#2142 [14:08] <g> jnelmark: English?
#2143 [14:08] <jnelmark> yes
#2144 [14:08] <jnelmark> i need to talk to vide
#2145 [14:08] <g> Who is vide?
#2146 [14:08] <jnelmark> vive
#2147 [14:08] <g> cause that nick isn't here
#2148 [14:09] <jnelmark> he owns the dark helment
#2149 [14:09] <enuf4u> anyone know why my game FAILED TO LAUNCH (2) NULL?
#2150 [14:09] <g> jnelmark, no idea what you're talking about.
#2151 [14:09] <jnelmark> omg
#2152 [14:09] <jnelmark> the dark HELMENT
#2153 [14:09] <g> helmet?
#2154 [14:09] <jnelmark> Dark
#2155 [14:09] <jnelmark> yes
#2156 [14:09] <jnelmark> its a server
#2157 [14:09] <g> And that has.. what to do with Minecraft?
#2158 [14:09] <jnelmark> minecraft
#2159 [14:09] <Aythrea> Must be a Spaceballs reference.
#2160 [14:09] <g> ah
#2161 [14:09] <Grim_Reaper> ;kick jnelmark trolling
#2162 [14:09] * WugBot kicked jnelmark from #minecrafthelp (Reason: nelmark :trolling)
#2163 [14:09] <g> lol
#2164 [14:10] <Grim_Reaper> DopeGhoti. Keep an eye out
#2165 [14:10] <Elystus> THe trolling be out trolling this morning.
#2166 [14:10] <g> okay, well
#2167 [14:10] <g> I'mma go stream some radio
#2168 [14:10] <g> feel free to pm me if you like music (and ponies)
#2169 [14:10] <enuf4u> hey gents i have a question please
#2170 [14:10] <enuf4u> hey gents i have a question please
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#2172 [14:11] <Grim_Reaper> enuf4u ask away
#2173 [14:12] <enuf4u> i just bought and downloaded minecraft for PC. i launched it and i got FAILED TO LAUNCH (2) null
#2174 [14:12] <enuf4u> any ideas
#2175 [14:14] * fahrenheit [fahrenheit@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#2176 [14:15] <GreyVulpine> enuf4u - What's the full error that you get?
#2177 [14:15] <Grim_Reaper> ?? pastebin
#2178 [14:15] <VoxelHead> pastebin: Pastebin is a service run at http://www.pastebin.com/ which facilitates the sharing of information without flooding IRC channels. Paste your text there, click 'Submit', and give us the URL the site takes you to, and we can see what you have pasted.
#2179 [14:15] <enuf4u> Failed to launch Fatal error occured (2): null
#2180 [14:15] <Aythrea> pastebin ftw.
#2181 [14:16] <fahrenheit> HELLO. have a problem: pc crashes, save game away! not to fint in the save-dirctory
#2182 [14:16] <GreyVulpine> enuf4u - Using windows?
#2183 [14:16] <enuf4u> yes windows
#2184 [14:16] <GreyVulpine> enuf4u - What antivirus software do you use?
#2185 [14:16] <Grim_Reaper> fahrenheit, please try renaming your level.dat_old file to level.dat in your save folder
#2186 [14:16] * Doduhdoduhdo [Doduhdoduhdo@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#2187 [14:16] <enuf4u> norton
#2188 [14:17] <Aythrea> enuf4u, do this: http://www.techmoddedzombies.com/t363-what-does-this-mean-and-how-to-stop-it
#2189 [14:17] <fahrenheit> heard about that way. the folder has no entry with that name
#2190 [14:17] <GreyVulpine> ??> enuf4u win/reinst
#2191 [14:17] <VoxelHead> enuf4u: (win/reinst) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#2192 [14:17] <VoxelHead> enuf4u: (win/reinst) To do so, press your Windows+R keys, type in %AppData% at the dialog, and press Enter. In the window that appears, open the .minecraft directory, and delete everything except for the saves directory that you see therein. Then, try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
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#2194 [14:18] <Aythrea> VoxelHead, +1
#2195 [14:18] <enuf4u> thanks ill try now
#2196 [14:18] <Grim_Reaper> fahrenheit then chances are your level.dat file got corrutpted. You can make a new save, and copy that level.dat in your old world. But you'll spawn somewhere else and you will lose your items
#2197 [14:18] <Grim_Reaper> Im not sure about repairing corrupted level.dat files
#2198 [14:19] <Doduhdoduhdo> I recently purchased a premium membership to mine craft. I am able to connect to some multiplayer servers, however, I an unable to construct anything on these servers. Why does this happen?
#2199 [14:19] <DopeGhoti> ??> Doduhdoduhdo smp/spawnzone
#2200 [14:19] <VoxelHead> Doduhdoduhdo: (smp/spawnzone) The spawn zone is, as a way to avoid griefing, protected from any changes by any users who are not administrators. Try moving away from the spawn area.
#2201 [14:19] <VoxelHead> Doduhdoduhdo: (smp/spawnzone) If you are the server admin, see smp/opyourself
#2202 [14:19] <|Kiikun|> because the servers themselves have plugins to deny it
#2203 [14:19] <|Kiikun|> or that
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#2205 [14:20] <fahrenheit> how can that be that the files corrupted? a PC crash isnt so special at all
#2206 [14:20] <Grim_Reaper> It's an issue with minecraft fahrenheit
#2207 [14:20] <DopeGhoti> neither is dodgy Java code, nor Windows just eating files because it's bored.
#2208 [14:20] <enuf4u> THANKS GUYS WORKED LIKE A CHARM!!!!
#2209 [14:20] <Grim_Reaper> It's happened to me before as well
#2210 [14:21] <Doduhdoduhdo> How do I move away from the spawn area?
#2211 [14:21] <Grim_Reaper> You.. walk ?
#2212 [14:21] <DopeGhoti> DarkNoddy: What Grim_Reaper said.
#2213 [14:21] <enuf4u> voxelhead , greyvulpine, grim_reaper Thanks
#2214 [14:21] <DopeGhoti> er, Doduhdoduhdo rather
#2215 [14:21] <Grim_Reaper> No problem enuf4u
#2216 [14:21] <DopeGhoti> basically, walk about 40 meters in any direction
#2217 [14:22] <fahrenheit> yes, Grim_Reaper, and it happens quiet often. thats not ok
#2218 [14:22] <Grim_Reaper> The best thing I can suggest fahrenheit, is to backup your saves often
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#2220 [14:23] <fahrenheit> i tried mineback, but that wont start on my machine - without message
#2221 [14:23] <Grim_Reaper> You can simply right click on your save folder and click copy, and copy it somewhere else..
#2222 [14:25] * critez [critez@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#2223 [14:25] <critez> Hello, i cannot speak on minecraft
#2224 [14:25] <fahrenheit> Grim_Reaper, is there any statement from the developers at mojang about these issue?
#2225 [14:25] <DopeGhoti> ??> critez irc
#2226 [14:25] <VoxelHead> critez: (irc) For IRC help, you should ask in the channel #help - you can get there using the command "/join #help"
#2227 [14:25] <VoxelHead> critez: (irc) If you can't talk in #minecraft ("Cannot send to channel") you must register your IRC nickname, using the command "/msg NickServ REGISTER password email". Remember to use a valid email. Go to #help if you need further assistance with this
#2228 [14:25] <Grim_Reaper> fahrenheit Im not too sure.. dont think so
#2229 [14:27] <critez> it doesn't say anything about "cannot send to channel" it just says null 4 times
#2230 [14:27] <critez> ?
#2231 [14:27] <DopeGhoti> your IRC client may not give that exact message.
#2232 [14:27] <critez> whats irc?
#2233 [14:27] <xales> ._.
#2234 [14:28] <DopeGhoti> you're in it.
#2235 [14:28] <DopeGhoti> And I see that you're not registered. PLease follow VoxelHead's directions.
#2236 [14:28] <critez> oh :P
#2237 [14:28] <fahrenheit> Grim_Reaper, i read so often about the same problem, about save backups, tricks with copying, renaming...its a great, bad joke. i will play, not walk around bugs!
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#2240 [14:29] <areiffer> #dhmc_us
#2241 [14:30] <Barbalace> Hello, I need some help, anybody willing to =]?
#2242 [14:30] <areiffer> hi what u need help on
#2243 [14:30] <xales> Barbalace: If we weren't willing to, we wouldn't be here. Just say what you need help with.
#2244 [14:30] <areiffer> i dont need help
#2245 [14:30] <Barbalace> I frequently get the "Minecraft has run out of memory" screen, what can I do?
#2246 [14:30] * xales kicked areiffer from #minecrafthelp (Reason: reiffer :People don't advertise.)
#2247 [14:30] <xales> Barbalace: Are you running a 64-bit operating system?
#2248 [14:31] <Barbalace> 32-bit!
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#2250 [14:31] <xales> Barbalace: Close every other program you have open when you have Minecraft; other than that, not a whole lot you can do short of getting more memory and a 64-bit system capable of addressing it.
#2251 [14:31] <xales> when you run Minecraft, rather.
#2252 [14:32] <fahrenheit> ok, bye. thanks for the help, Grim_Reaper
#2253 [14:33] <Grim_Reaper> No problem. Sorry I cant get your saves back though =\
#2254 [14:33] <Barbalace> Alright when I play I'll just have one tab of internet explorer open ( need to get the ips to join), should this help a bit?
#2255 [14:33] <Grim_Reaper> Most likely Barbalace
#2256 [14:33] <Grim_Reaper> But if I may suggest..
#2257 [14:33] <Grim_Reaper> Internet Explorer is quite an awful browser
#2258 [14:33] <Barbalace> Chrome then ;D?
#2259 [14:33] <Grim_Reaper> I recommend downloading something like Firefox Or chrome yes
#2260 [14:33] <DopeGhoti> ?? win/ie
#2261 [14:33] <VoxelHead> win/ie: Internet Exploder^WExploiter^WExplorer is a terrible browser with terrible issues. Many common problems are solved by using a better browser.
#2262 [14:33] <VoxelHead> win/ie: Firefox: http://www.mozilla.org/firefox/ Google Chrome: http://www.google.com/chrome
#2263 [14:33] <Barbalace> I have them all, thanks I'll use chrome, bye!
#2264 [14:34] <Grim_Reaper> :3 bye
#2265 [14:34] <xales> ._.
#2266 [14:34] * DopeGhoti moves all the win/ FAQ entries to lose/
#2266 [14:34] <Grim_Reaper> DopeGhoti please update the index with ?? windows/driverupdate
#2267 [14:34] <Grim_Reaper> win*
#2268 [14:34] <Grim_Reaper> ?? win/driverupdate
#2269 [14:34] <Grim_Reaper> ?? win/driverupdates
#2270 [14:35] <Grim_Reaper> Oh maybe it is windows >_>
#2271 [14:35] <Morrolan> ??< win/driverupdate
#2272 [14:35] <jnelmark> what
#2273 [14:35] <Grim_Reaper> ?? windows/driverupdate
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#2275 [14:35] <Grim_Reaper> Yeah thats the one
#2276 [14:35] <jnelmark> hi
#2277 [14:35] <Grim_Reaper> Hello
#2278 [14:35] <Morrolan> There is no windows factoid in Vox. oO
#2279 [14:35] <Morrolan> as in, "all of them are stored under win/xyz
#2280 [14:36] <Morrolan> "
#2281 [14:36] <Grim_Reaper> [20:36] -VoxelHead- windows/driverupdate: Windows cannot update your Graphics Drivers from device manager. You need to visit your video card manufacturer's website such as nvidia.com or amd.com to obtain driver updates for your video card.
#2282 [14:36] <Grim_Reaper> I beg to differ Morrolan :3
#2283 [14:36] <Morrolan> Huh, that one must be new then, it's not in the index. :S
#2284 [14:36] <Grim_Reaper> Yeah
#2285 [14:36] <Morrolan> ??< windows/driverupdate
#2286 [14:36] <Morrolan> My bad. :)
#2287 [14:36] <Grim_Reaper> Thats why I asked if DopeGhoti would add it
#2288 [14:36] * Grim_Reaper hugs
#2288 [14:36] <DopeGhoti> ??+ win/drivers|Device Mangler^WManager and Windows Update are not good choices for driver updates. Please go to the manufacturers' web sites for driver updates;;See gpu/amd apu/nvidia gpu/intel for GPU driver download sites.
#2289 [14:36] <DopeGhoti> ??- windows/driverupdate
#2290 [14:37] <Grim_Reaper> Mangler?
#2291 [14:37] <Grim_Reaper> o_O
#2292 [14:37] <Morrolan> One of those "Update drivers nao" tools I guess.
#2293 [14:37] <DopeGhoti> Device Mangler, cousin of Task Mangler and MMC (Microsoft mangling console)
#2294 [14:38] <Grim_Reaper> :|
#2295 [14:38] <Morrolan> Oh, haha.
#2296 [14:38] * DopeGhoti fixes 'apu'
#2296 [14:38] <Grim_Reaper> It's manager ;-;
#2297 [14:38] <DopeGhoti> hence the inline correction.
#2298 [14:38] <DopeGhoti> "It's called a joke."
#2299 [14:38] <Grim_Reaper> ;-;
#2300 [14:38] <Grim_Reaper> But it hurts my eyes
#2301 [14:39] <DopeGhoti> you didn't comment on 'Internet Exploder^WExploiter^WExplorer'. Huh.
#2302 [14:39] <skyboy> manglers usually do that, grim
#2303 [14:39] <Grim_Reaper> Because it's ie DopeGhoti. I hate it ;-;
#2304 [14:39] <Grim_Reaper> Lol skyboy
#2305 [14:39] <Morrolan> You assume that we are familiar with Vim / wherever that shortuct comes from. ;)
#2306 [14:40] <xales> Morrolan: readline? :p
#2307 [14:40] <Morrolan> Pft.
#2308 [14:40] <DopeGhoti> Morrolan: it comes from all sivilized commandline environments linked against libreadline. (:
#2309 [14:40] <DopeGhoti> er, civilized.
#2310 [14:40] <Grim_Reaper> ._.
#2311 [14:40] <Morrolan> Go away. >:(
#2312 [14:40] * DopeGhoti has left #minecrafthelp (Okay.)
#2312 [14:40] <Grim_Reaper> pfft
#2313 [14:40] * Morrolan goes play with his GUI's buttons and tabs
#2313 [14:41] <skyboy> ewwww, you have gooey buttons?
#2314 [14:41] <xales> Morrolan: http://linux.die.net/man/3/readline -> find "unix-word-rubout" in the page :p
#2315 [14:41] <Morrolan> Heck, indeed.
#2316 [14:41] <Morrolan> Now I'm not exactly a Linux power user, but I do use it every now and then.
#2317 [14:41] <DopeGhoti> ^W is quicker and shorter than ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H
#2318 [14:42] <Morrolan> Sure is.
#2319 [14:42] <Morrolan> Well, you learn something new every day. ;)
#2320 [14:43] <Morrolan> Now that I think about it, should've just claimed that I never make typing mistakes, so I don't need to know about such key combinations. :D
#2321 [14:43] * Elystus|away is set as away : Reason(Gone)
#2321 [14:44] * Morrolan prods Elystus|away
#2321 [14:44] <Morrolan> Quick, turn that off, before the grumpy, sniffy IRC users see it.
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#2323 [14:46] * DopeGhoti nudges Elystus|away toward Rule 5: http://is.gd/zB1w9I
#2323 [14:46] <Morrolan> Thanks god he isn't in #help. xP
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#2325 [14:48] <critez> [null]-null is the messege i get when i try to speak in game
#2326 [14:49] <xales> critez: Don't try to speak in #minecraft unless you are registered, then.
#2327 [14:51] <critez> what?
#2328 [14:51] <Morrolan> You get that ingame? As in, while playing Minecraft?
#2329 [14:51] <critez> yes
#2330 [14:51] <Morrolan> And you get that on a server you host yourself?
#2331 [14:51] <critez> no
#2332 [14:52] <critez> it is someone elses server
#2333 [14:52] <Morrolan> Then it's most likely a plugin on that server.
#2334 [14:52] <Morrolan> Contact the server's admin about it.
#2335 [14:52] <critez> ok thanks
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#2337 [14:56] <namikazedash> help i cant get minecraft to run i just get this error report : --- BEGIN ERROR REPORT 7fe0271 -------- Generated 12/07/12 19:52 Minecraft: Minecraft 1.2.5 OS: Windows XP (x86) version 5.1 Java: 1.7.0_05, Oracle Corporation VM: Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (mixed mode), Oracle Corporation LWJGL: 2.4.2 [failed to get system properties (java.lang.NullPointerExce
#2338 [14:57] <Morrolan> Put it on pastebin.com please. :)
#2339 [14:57] <Grim_Reaper> ?? pastebin
#2340 [14:57] <namikazedash> ok
#2341 [14:57] <VoxelHead> pastebin: Pastebin is a service run at http://www.pastebin.com/ which facilitates the sharing of information without flooding IRC channels. Paste your text there, click 'Submit', and give us the URL the site takes you to, and we can see what you have pasted.
#2342 [14:58] <namikazedash> sorry ... here you go: http://pastebin.com/JHH2TCkM
#2343 [14:58] <namikazedash> :dx
#2344 [14:58] <WugBot> dx: Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#2345 [14:58] <WugBot> dx: Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link you are sent to, and paste it here.
#2346 [15:00] <namikazedash> here you go : http://pastebin.com/U666U5c7
#2347 [15:02] <xales> DopeGhoti: Is the Intel 910 a known no-good GPU?
#2348 [15:03] <xales> namikazedash: One second
#2349 [15:04] <xales> namikazedash: Please download and install this: http://www.dell.com/support/drivers/us/en/04/DriverDetails/DriverFileFormats?DriverId=R126541&FileId=2731114385&productCode=dimension-3100c&urlProductCode=False
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#2351 [15:07] <namikazedash> is there any others i need to install?
#2352 [15:07] <xales> namikazedash: Just that.
#2353 [15:07] <namikazedash> ok thanks
#2354 [15:09] <DopeGhoti> xales: it's known-not-that-great, but will work with some coaching, IIRC
#2355 [15:11] * Elystus is no longer away : Gone for 27 mins 8 secs
#2355 [15:12] <DopeGhoti> ??> Elystus rule/5
#2356 [15:12] <VoxelHead> Elystus: (rule/5) http://is.gd/zB1w9I Rule 5: Disruptive bots or scripts are absolutely forbidden. Exceptions are limited and will likely not be made for you or for your bot. This includes 'Now playing' and 'Away/Back' scripts.
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#2360 [15:13] <Grim_Reaper> ;;
#2361 [15:13] <Namikazedash> it didnt work i get the same error message
#2362 [15:13] <xales> Namikazedash: You restarted your computer after installing it?
#2363 [15:13] <Namikazedash> yep
#2364 [15:14] * VoxelHead kicked Grim_Reaper from #minecrafthelp (Reason: rim_Reaper :Banned: Rule 6. Take ten minutes to configure your client.)
#2365 [15:15] <xales> Namikazedash: Your computer is rather old, and even when it was new, was not meant for playing games, especially not modern games like Minecraft. It may be possible to get it to run, but even so, it will not perform well (it may have choppy framerate or crash regularly, or any other number of problems).
#2366 [15:15] <xales> But, if you wish, we can still try to make it work.
#2367 [15:15] <Namikazedash> yes please i just bought minecraft and i dont want to have wasted my money
#2368 [15:17] <DopeGhoti> It won't have been wasted. Minecraft will still be there when you have a more modern comptuer.
#2369 [15:17] <skyboy> what is rule 6?
#2370 [15:17] <DopeGhoti> ??>> skyboy rule/6
#2371 [15:17] <xales> Namikazedash: Also, caveat emptor; you should have read the system requirements before buying.
#2372 [15:17] <xales> Anyway; one moment please.
#2373 [15:18] <xales> DopeGhoti: What "coaching" might help? It's been a while.
#2374 [15:18] <flitch> that computer can run minecraft just fine if he gets a dedicated video card
#2375 [15:18] <DopeGhoti> Tiny view distance, if that's still a thing. Fast graphics mode. Installing a low-res texture pack.
#2376 [15:18] <flitch> and more ram wouldnt hurt
#2377 [15:19] <DopeGhoti> Unsupported, but I've heard of good results form Optifine.
#2378 [15:19] <flitch> $50 can get you a decent enough card
#2379 [15:19] <flitch> $50 can get you a decent enough card
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#2381 [15:19] <skyboy> pentium 4 means he only has DDR1 RAM. 2 GB is the limit
#2382 [15:20] <xales> DopeGhoti: It can't find an accelerated OpenGL mode.
#2383 [15:20] <flitch> that's not true
#2384 [15:20] <skyboy> did MS allow XP pro to address more than 2 GB?
#2385 [15:20] <flitch> you can use ddr2 ram with p4 and there is no 2gb limit
#2386 [15:20] <DopeGhoti> ??> xales gpu/intel
#2387 [15:20] <VoxelHead> xales: (gpu/intel) You can get drivers for Intel video cards and chipsets here: http://downloadcenter.intel.com/
#2388 [15:20] <flitch> and xp allows 3.2gb in 32bit
#2389 [15:20] <DopeGhoti> if a new driver doesn't do the trick, he may be erewedscray.
#2390 [15:20] <flitch> you can also use PAE to allow more
#2391 [15:21] <flitch> is it a laptop?
#2392 [15:22] <xales> Namikazedash: Go here: http://downloadcenter.intel.com/ and click "Run Intel Driver Update Utility"
#2393 [15:22] <skyboy> no, it's a desktop
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#2395 [15:23] <flitch> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500239
#2396 [15:23] <flitch> 50 dollar card that should be good enough for minecraft
#2397 [15:23] <xales> flitch: No, it's one of those silly horizontal tower machines; it probably doesn't have a PCIe 2.0
#2398 [15:23] <xales> :p
#2399 [15:23] <skyboy> and the maximum memory his system supports is 2 GB
#2400 [15:24] <flitch> why do you say this 2gb limit?
#2401 [15:24] <xales> flitch: It has two memory slots.
#2402 [15:24] <skyboy> it's what the specs on offtek say
#2403 [15:24] <xales> flitch: The motherboard won't support more than two.
#2404 [15:24] <flitch> you can get single 4gb ddr2 sticks
#2405 [15:24] <xales> 2GB, rather.
#2406 [15:24] <flitch> and the specs are specified at the time of manufacture
#2407 [15:25] <flitch> most boards say they allow X gb but then larger sticks come out later
#2408 [15:25] <xales> flitch: http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/dim3100/en/sm/specs0.htm
#2409 [15:25] <xales> "Maximum memory: 2GB"
#2410 [15:25] <DopeGhoti> flitch: This is true, but they are kept up-to-date with reputable OEMs. I have seen motherboard firmware updates to allow more RAM, for example.
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#2412 [15:25] <DopeGhoti> if your OEM has not altered the firmware to address more memory, the best base is that if you put in 4GB, you'll only see two.
#2413 [15:25] <flitch> and it says right there ddr2
#2414 [15:25] <DopeGhoti> the worst case is that it won't work at all
#2415 [15:26] <Namikazedash> xales do i need to run that update facilty in a certain browser?
#2416 [15:26] <flitch> i would at least try 4gb, i'm almost certain it will work. when that board was made 2gb modules didnt exist
#2417 [15:26] <DopeGhoti> or you could just not listen.
#2418 [15:26] <xales> Namikazedash: You may need to run it in Internet Explorer, but it should work fine in any other browser.
#2419 [15:26] <flitch> it has a pci-e 1x
#2420 [15:26] <flitch> lol
#2421 [15:26] <flitch> that video card i posted is probably overkill lol
#2422 [15:26] <DopeGhoti> "at least it's not PCIX"
#2423 [15:27] <skyboy> at least it's not PCI
#2424 [15:27] <flitch> suprised its not agpo
#2425 [15:27] <flitch> agp
#2426 [15:27] <DopeGhoti> Vesa Local Bus 4 life! Or maybe MCA!
#2427 [15:27] <skyboy> which is what my system is stuck with. it's spec'd t have an AGP port, but the AGP was actually removed from the board before it was sold
#2428 [15:27] <xales> flitch: The cost of buying a new GPU and memory would very quickly approach the cost of simply buying a new desktop.
#2429 [15:28] <flitch> eh 25-50 for a video card that you can transfer into another machine
#2430 [15:28] <Scott> memory is ridiculous cheap though
#2431 [15:28] <Scott> I got 8GB for $25.
#2432 [15:28] <flitch> he would need to buy the ram used
#2433 [15:28] <DopeGhoti> xales: Meh. For $100 you can get a CPU/Mobo combo with a good enough integrated GPU for Minecraft.
#2434 [15:28] <skyboy> DDR3?
#2435 [15:28] <flitch> they dont sell ddr1 and ddr2 in stores
#2436 [15:28] <DopeGhoti> not a _good_ one, mind you
#2437 [15:28] <Scott> DDR3 1333MHz
#2438 [15:28] <skyboy> DDR2 is more expensive, sadly
#2439 [15:28] <Scott> and it's Mac Memory :D
#2440 [15:28] <flitch> you can buy 16gb of 1600mhz 9CL for $100
#2441 [15:29] <xales> DopeGhoti: And the labor for someone to install it. ;)
#2442 [15:29] <flitch> that cpu/combo would need a new power supply
#2443 [15:29] <flitch> new ram
#2444 [15:29] <Namikazedash> i dont have enough money to buy parts for computers......
#2445 [15:29] <flitch> it would be at least 200
#2446 [15:30] <Scott> Eddie just built a new computer
#2447 [15:30] <Scott> It is rather powerful.
#2448 [15:30] <Lord_Cipher> O:
#2449 [15:30] <Eddie> Yes I did but it has no graphics card :p
#2450 [15:30] <xales> Namikazedash: Then, unless that Driver Update Utility finds an update, it looks like you won't be able to play Minecraft.
#2451 [15:30] <skyboy> i got a $45 480 watt PSU for $12+shipping, fitch
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#2453 [15:31] <skyboy> if you can time your purchases right, you can practically steal this stuff
#2454 [15:31] <flitch> 12 bux lol
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#2457 [15:32] <flitch> http://pastebin.com/xErqG2fB
#2458 [15:32] <flitch> replacing the mobo and psu soonly :)
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#2460 [15:32] <JoJo_> Can someone help me?
#2461 [15:32] <DopeGhoti> not if you rely on our telepathy, JoJo_
#2462 [15:33] <flitch> epic
#2463 [15:33] <Namikazedash> i found this : Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator Driver
#2464 [15:33] <xales> Namikazedash: Install that.
#2465 [15:33] <JoJo_> Dang it :l But when i play minecraft after like 5 minuts of playing things become invisible and its impossible to play.
#2466 [15:33] <Namikazedash> ok
#2467 [15:34] <DopeGhoti> JoJo_: could you provide a screenshot showing what you mean?
#2468 [15:34] <flitch> poor guy has 14gb used in pagefile
#2469 [15:34] <xales> flitch: http://forevernothing.com/destiny.lshw.txt This computer is lovely, except it's murdered three SSDs and an HDD inside of 4 months. I need to replace something, but it's a laptop ;_;
#2470 [15:34] <JoJo_> Well its kinda like xray mod but everythings invisible and you cant see anything
#2471 [15:35] <xales> JoJo_: Are you using any mods of any sort?
#2472 [15:35] <skyboy> flitch, i counter 32 GB machine with this: http://pastebin.com/VgVmhr7E
#2473 [15:35] <JoJo_> Optifine and thats it.
#2474 [15:35] <DopeGhoti> JoJo_: try removing all mods.
#2475 [15:35] <JoJo_> Allright. But minecraft is really slow without optifine.
#2476 [15:36] <DopeGhoti> JoJo_: that may be the case, but if the problem does not come back, it's a problem with the mod
#2477 [15:36] <DopeGhoti> if it does, we can work from there.
#2478 [15:36] <JoJo_> Okay im force updating
#2479 [15:36] <flitch> xales: ssd with trim support?
#2480 [15:36] <JoJo_> Allright
#2481 [15:36] <xales> flitch: yep
#2482 [15:36] <DopeGhoti> The Socratic Disgnostic Method is quite effective.
#2483 [15:36] <flitch> what os
#2484 [15:36] <DopeGhoti> "To determine what the problem is, you must first determine what it is not."
#2485 [15:36] <xales> flitch: Linux.
#2486 [15:36] <flitch> that distro have trim?
#2487 [15:37] <DopeGhoti> ??> JoJo_ specs
#2488 [15:37] <xales> flitch: It's supported in the kernel, not distro. :p
#2489 [15:37] <VoxelHead> JoJo_: (specs) Please tell us, to the best of your knowledge and ability, the following: Your computer's make and model, which operating system you are using (including whether it is 32- or 64-bit), how much RAM your computer has, which GPU your computer has, and which version of Java you have installed.
#2490 [15:37] <flitch> i'd say paging and disk caching is destroying them
#2491 [15:37] <xales> flitch: swappiness is set to 0
#2492 [15:37] <xales> and I didn't have a swap on it
#2493 [15:38] <flitch> what u using it for??
#2494 [15:38] <DopeGhoti> xales: wait, what? `lshw`, you allege, broke your hardware? What?
#2495 [15:38] <xales> Everything except /home and /boot
#2496 [15:38] <xales> DopeGhoti: Huh?
#2497 [15:38] <xales> DopeGhoti: No, the computer itself did.
#2498 [15:38] <flitch> torrents? bukkit?
#2499 [15:38] <Namikazedash> the update utility doesnt do anything it shows a blank page
#2500 [15:38] <xales> flitch: Nope, nope.
#2501 [15:38] <xales> Namikazedash: Have you tried it in Internet Exploder?
#2502 [15:39] <xales> flitch: https://www.dropbox.com/s/xizeguigsomfdp1/IMG_20120712_153704.jpg :(
#2503 [15:39] <Scott> xales; you're a terrorist
#2504 [15:39] <Namikazedash> i dont normally use IE so i think i should update to a newer one
#2505 [15:39] <xales> Scott: Yep.
#2506 [15:39] <xales> Namikazedash: Doesn't matter.
#2507 [15:39] <flitch> asynchronous ick
#2508 [15:39] <flitch> those drives aren't the greatest
#2509 [15:40] <JoJo_> Windows Xp Profesional Version 2002 With intel core 2 duo cpu with 2.97 gb of ram and newest version of java on a 32 bit.
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#2511 [15:40] <skyboy> what's your GPU?
#2512 [15:41] <flitch> sounds like a gpu driver issue to me
#2513 [15:41] <xales> flitch: I haven't had any SSD issues after changing filesystem though, oddly enough. http://forevernothing.com/destiny.lshw2.txt
#2514 [15:41] <flitch> Namikazedash: skip the utility and download the update manually
#2515 [15:41] <DopeGhoti> xales: http://ghoti.me:8080/~ghoti/txt/lshw.html My probably-due-for-an-upgrade gaming box.
#2516 [15:41] <JoJo_> Me?
#2517 [15:41] <flitch> i'm not a pro with linux FS but did you switch to ext4?
#2518 [15:41] <ieedhelp> when i try to play on the free version of Minecraft, It says that my server is down
#2519 [15:42] <DopeGhoti> JoJo_: what version exactly of Java?
#2520 [15:42] <DopeGhoti> ??> JoJo_ java/1.7
#2521 [15:42] <VoxelHead> JoJo_: (java/1.7) Java 1.7 is still in development, and is known to be incompatible with Minecraft.
#2522 [15:42] <xales> flitch: From ext4 to btrfs
#2523 [15:42] <JoJo_> Yes it 1.7, should i delete that and install an older version?
#2524 [15:42] <DopeGhoti> JoJo_: yes, remove it and install 1.6
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#2526 [15:42] <JoJo_> Okay, where can i find 1,6?
#2527 [15:42] <skyboy> yes, uninstall java and install 1.6u33
#2528 [15:43] <DopeGhoti> xales: *snrk* lshw sees my AMD CPU as an Intel.
#2529 [15:43] <xales> DopeGhoti: O.o
#2530 [15:43] <DopeGhoti> ??> JoJo_ getjava
#2531 [15:43] <VoxelHead> JoJo_: (getjava) http://java.com/en/download/manual_v6.jsp
#2532 [15:43] <JoJo_> Thank you.
#2533 [15:43] <flitch> apparently the trick for ext4 is to disable atime on the device and align it properly
#2534 [15:43] <xales> flitch: Done both
#2535 [15:44] <DopeGhoti> flitch: that tweak has been around since ext2.
#2536 [15:45] <JoJo_> Okay i downloaded java 1.6
#2537 [15:45] <JoJo_> thank you guys for the help
#2538 [15:45] <DopeGhoti> \o
#2539 [15:45] <JoJo_> if i still have issues ill come back :)
#2540 [15:45] <flitch> "make sure to have the mount-option discard for the partitions on the SSD in your fstab to activate the TRIM feature"
#2541 [15:45] <DopeGhoti> we'll probably be here. Good luck.
#2542 [15:46] <JoJo_> Thanks
#2543 [15:46] <flitch> just googling stuff
#2544 [15:46] <skyboy> i'm surprised there were no comments on my shockingly terribad specs
#2545 [15:47] <flitch> u could mount /tmp in a tmpfs
#2546 [15:47] <xales> flitch: Both are already done. :p
#2547 [15:47] <flitch> lol
#2548 [15:47] <Morrolan> Yay for enough RAM. \o/
#2549 [15:47] <xales> flitch: http://forevernothing.com/destiny.fstab.txt
#2550 [15:47] <xales> Morrolan: :D
#2551 [15:48] <flitch> no problems with the btrfs?
#2552 [15:48] <flitch> supposably it isn't quite production ready
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#2554 [15:49] <joe> Im trying to use spawn eggs in creative mode but it doesn't work
#2555 [15:49] <skyboy> point at a block
#2556 [15:49] <Morrolan> xales - I assume your bootloader requires you to use ext2 as well?
#2557 [15:50] <xales> Morrolan: It can boot from just about anything, but my /boot partition has existed for many years
#2558 [15:50] <Morrolan> Ah, okay.
#2559 [15:50] <xales> <3 SYSLINUX
#2560 [15:50] <joe> only some of the eggs work, like the wolf, squid pig sheep and cows work but the rest don't
#2561 [15:51] <xales> joe: Which ones /don't/ work?
#2562 [15:51] <skyboy> change difficulty setting from peaceful to easy
#2563 [15:51] <xales> ^
#2564 [15:51] <flitch> i cant wait for the spout bukkit replacement
#2565 [15:51] <joe> the Zobies, Zombie Pigmen, Skeleton, Spiders etc.
#2566 [15:52] <skyboy> joe: change difficulty setting from peaceful to easy
#2567 [15:52] <joe> ok
#2568 [15:52] <skyboy> on peaceful all hostile mobs are despawned immediately
#2569 [15:52] <joe> oh okay thanks guys
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#2571 [15:59] <Namikazedash> hey im back .. my friend is gonna try and get me a decent graphics card for cheap sice he's head of an it company... so thank you all for your help.. now i know exactly what is wrong.. thank you
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#2573 [16:00] <Namikazedash> thank you xales
#2574 [16:00] <flitch> look for a good price on 2 2gb sticks of ddr2 533 mhz ram on kijiji or something
#2575 [16:00] <flitch> but yes video card is most important
#2576 [16:01] <Namikazedash> ok that as well and thanks too flitch
#2577 [16:01] <DopeGhoti> also, www.pricewatch.com
#2578 [16:01] <flitch> <afk
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#2580 [16:01] <skyboy> does that include rebates, ghoti?
#2581 [16:01] <skyboy> does that include rebates, ghoti?
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#2583 [16:02] <DopeGhoti> last time I used that site, the quoted prices did include rebates and shipping.
#2584 [16:02] <DopeGhoti> it was a year or so ago, YMMV
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#2586 [16:07] <akhrua95> i bought minecraft two days ago and i have not gotten any sort of contact whatsoever. also when i used moneybookers from minecraft.net it said something about wrong merchant address
#2587 [16:08] <xales> akhrua95: Did the charge go through?
#2588 [16:08] <clarjon1> Did you check with your bank about the transaction?
#2589 [16:08] <akhrua95> no i have not gotten anything even that
#2590 [16:09] <akhrua95> oh
#2591 [16:09] <akhrua95> lol still
#2592 [16:09] <akhrua95> no why it would have said wrong merchant address?
#2593 [16:09] <clarjon1> Dunno
#2594 [16:09] <akhrua95> k k
#2595 [16:09] <akhrua95> ty anyways
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#2597 [16:12] <akhrua95> actually i just checked moneybookers and it says i have a last transaction of $20.00
#2598 [16:12] <xales> akhrua95: Does your bank have any record of a transaction?
#2599 [16:12] <akhrua95> but when i check my history nothing comes up
#2600 [16:12] <akhrua95> no
#2601 [16:13] <xales> Then nothing happened. Just try buying it again.
#2602 [16:13] <akhrua95> ok ty very much
#2603 [16:13] <xales> And don't use MoneyBookers this time.
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#2608 [16:42] <nathan> how do i download mods
#2609 [16:43] <xales> ?? mods
#2610 [16:43] <VoxelHead> mods: This channel is not a venue for mod support, or support for modded servers. As it is impossible for anybody to know every combination of mods out there, this channel does not assist with unofficial third-party modded content.
#2611 [16:43] <VoxelHead> mods: For single player mods, contact the mod's creator or try http://tiny.cc/modinstall for general installation instructions. For bukkit help, use #bukkit; you can also search Google for a mod's installation instructions.
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#2620 [17:12] <sients2> hi
#2621 [17:12] <sients2> can someone help me?
#2622 [17:13] <sients2> i have problems with minecraft
#2623 [17:14] <Morrolan> Just ask your question and someone will answer, if possible
#2624 [17:15] <sients2> when i join a server (not on all servers) it stuck on downloading terrain and then timed out
#2625 [17:15] <sients2> sorry of my bad english
#2626 [17:20] <sients2> no one can help me?
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#2629 [17:22] <z> how bo i down load offline minecraft
#2630 [17:22] <z> *do
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#2636 [17:26] <sients2_> hey
#2637 [17:28] <z> how do i download offline minecraft.
#2638 [17:28] <z> how do i download offline minecraft.
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#2642 [17:35] <sients2> hellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllpppppppp
#2643 [17:35] <geraldbrent> Yes sients2?
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#2646 [17:37] <noiro> Hey guys. My minecraft gets random spikes in GPU usage from 8% to 100% and that drops my framerate down to 0 for a tenth of a second while I am walking. I am on Ubuntu 12.04 and did not have this issue in Windows. Anyone know a fix?
#2647 [17:39] <sients2> when i join a server (not on all servers) it stuck on downloading terrain and then timed out
#2648 [17:39] <sients2> when i join a server (not on all servers) it stuck on downloading terrain and then timed out
#2649 [17:44] <sients2> helpppppppppppppppp
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#2651 [17:46] <sients2> when i join a server (not on all servers) it stuck on downloading terrain and then timed out
#2652 [17:52] <sients2> when i join a server (not on all servers) it stuck on downloading terrain and then timed out
#2653 [17:52] <skyboy> don't spam
#2654 [17:53] <skyboy> noiro: sounds like loading chunks is the problem, the only fix i'm aware of is optifine. but it's a mod, and thus is not officially supported
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#2656 [17:55] <noiro> skyboy, I tried a client with optifine and that did not work. I get 60FPS when that spike does not occur. :/
#2657 [17:56] <noiro> If I stand still, I can look at torches or something and it doesn't happen
#2658 [17:57] <skyboy> it really sounds like chunk loading. not all versions of optifine fix it, however
#2659 [18:01] <noiro> bah, I wonder why it does this with Ubuntu. On Windows, it worked wonderfully. :( I have a high-end PC
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#2666 [18:46] <joe> hey where do u find strongholds?
#2667 [18:47] <GreyVulpine> Randomly generated
#2668 [18:47] <joe> oh
#2669 [18:47] <joe> okay
#2670 [18:48] <joe> is there any other way to make ender portals or can u only find them in strongholdds
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#2672 [18:48] <GreyVulpine> They only occur naturally in strongholds
#2673 [18:48] <joe> ok
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#2675 [18:51] <Rikairchy> 0.0
#2676 [18:52] <Rikairchy> what was the /very/ first minecraft mod?
#2677 [18:55] <Morrolan> I have absolutely no idea. oO
#2678 [18:56] <Morrolan> If anything then you'll be able to find out which the first published mod was, but I wouldn't know where to start to find that out either.
#2679 [18:57] <Rikairchy> google was no help
#2680 [18:57] <Rikairchy> it'd have to be either modloader or pre-modloader
#2681 [18:57] <GreyVulpine> Really all depends, are you counting WoM and the various classic server binaries as well?
#2682 [18:57] <Rikairchy> no
#2683 [18:57] <Rikairchy> minecraft beta mods
#2684 [18:58] <GreyVulpine> How about texture packs?
#2685 [18:58] <Rikairchy> no, i mean something that drastically changed or enhanced gameplay, aside from graphics
#2686 [18:58] <GreyVulpine> Back before when those needed to be 'modded' into the .jar
#2687 [18:59] <Rikairchy> yes
#2688 [19:00] <Morrolan> I doubt that modloader was the first mod. Libraries don't tend to pop up at the very beginning.
#2689 [19:01] <Morrolan> But you could always ask in #risucraft and similar channels, maybe one of the guys who's been collecting dust in there knows. ;)
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#2691 [19:02] <GreyVulpine> First mod that I can think of would be zombe's pack, and hmod for the server
#2692 [19:02] <Sefirah> Hi, anyone able to answer a question about mob traps?
#2693 [19:02] <Morrolan> Oh, hmod, hehe.
#2694 [19:03] <Morrolan> Sefirah - Shoot, but no guarantee that I'll know an answer.
#2695 [19:03] <Sefirah> I'm trying and trying but I can't figure out how to make a proper drowner. The mob can *always* swim against the current if they're really trying.
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#2697 [19:10] <Sefirah> I dunno, maybe it's not possible but people online keep talking like you can have a square where if the mob steps on it, they're guaranteed to drown...
#2698 [19:12] <Morrolan> Hmm, my last mobfarm which used drowning was somewhere in Beta, chances are it's changed a lot by now. :S
#2699 [19:12] <Morrolan> Try to find a tutorial which was made on a recent version of Minecraft.
#2700 [19:12] <Morrolan> Apart from that you might also want to look into traps using lava to kill mobs, they are guaranteed to work :)
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#2702 [19:14] <Sefirah> Oh, I don't mean a mob farm, it's easy to trap a mob that's just wandering around stupidly. I mean a defensive trap, like I stand behind it and it kills stuff.
#2703 [19:14] <epicalex360> cent i talk whit a headphone
#2704 [19:14] <epicalex360> hello
#2705 [19:14] <epicalex360> so
#2706 [19:15] <epicalex360> cent we talk whit a headphone
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#2708 [19:15] <epicalex360> HELLO
#2709 [19:15] <epicalex360> so
#2710 [19:15] <Morrolan> This is text-only, epicalex360.
#2711 [19:15] <Morrolan> Sefirah - Ah, I see.
#2712 [19:15] <epicalex360> so i cent talkj whit headphone
#2713 [19:15] <GreyVulpine> Nope
#2714 [19:16] <epicalex360> k
#2715 [19:16] <Guest12447> i lost my minecraft password
#2716 [19:17] <Morrolan> You can reset your password here, Guest: http://www.minecraft.net/resetpassword
#2717 [19:17] <Morrolan> Well, goddamn.
#2718 [19:18] <Sefirah> I guess it's not possible because they also say mobs can't swim as fast as players, I *know* that's not true anymore. Oh well, thanks for the suggestion, I'll try different things for a bit longer...
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#2720 [19:18] <Sefirah> Hopefully he finds it soon by himself.
#2721 [19:18] <Morrolan> If he doesn't he'll be back, I guess. :)
#2722 [19:19] <Sefirah> Oh, one last thing, anyone know a current seed that spawns you directly in a mushroom biome?
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#2724 [19:21] <ace-of-icecream> lost my password
#2725 [19:21] <Morrolan> You can reset it on http://www.minecraft.net/resetpassword
#2726 [19:21] <ace-of-icecream> i tryed that
#2727 [19:22] <Morrolan> Sefirah - I don't know of one myself, but if you're just looking for a mushroom biome I'd advise to use a tool like AMIDST: http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/626786-v2035-amidst-strongholds-village-biome-ect-finder/
#2728 [19:22] <Morrolan> ace-of-icecream - And?
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#2730 [19:22] <ace-of-icecream> never mind
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#2732 [19:23] <eric_drewery> hello
#2733 [19:24] <Morrolan> 'lo
#2734 [19:24] <eric_drewery> quick question, i am trying to download the minecraft game and it keeps telling me i have Bad video card drivers... how can i fix this so i can play
#2735 [19:25] <Sefirah> Wow, that's a really awesome looking tool. I use 321539913 'cause mushrooms are right next to that jungle, wanted a direct spawn, *but* that will be great for finding me villages, thanks!
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#2739 [19:28] <Morrolan> eric_drewery - You'll have to update your video drivers.
#2740 [19:28] <Morrolan> Sefirah - It's a neat tool indeed. :)
#2741 [19:28] <eric_drewery_> sorry i got disconected.... how do i go about doing that
#2742 [19:29] <Morrolan> First you'll have to find out what graphics card you are using. A dxdiag can help with that:
#2743 [19:29] <Morrolan> ??> eric_drewery_ win/dxdiag
#2744 [19:29] <VoxelHead> eric_drewery_: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#2745 [19:29] <VoxelHead> eric_drewery_: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
#2746 [19:29] <Morrolan> That is, if you are on Windows.
#2747 [19:30] <Sefirah> Alright, I'm out. It's awesome what you're doing, being help desk it looks like by yourself, so thanks for the answers and for being so generous with your time
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#2753 [19:34] <BPK> I tried registering for an account to purchase MC earlier, but I realized too late that I missed an "o" in .com in my e-mail.
#2754 [19:35] <BPK> So I can't verify my account, or do anything about it.... so is that username that I used lost forever?
#2755 [19:36] <BPK> Or is it possible in any way for that account to be reset so I can use that username again?
#2756 [19:41] <Morrolan> You will have to contact Mojang about that. Right now they are still working on mails from two months ago, though.
#2757 [19:41] <Morrolan> So you'll have to wait 1.5 months or so until they caught up to your mail. :/
#2758 [19:42] <Morrolan> There is no workaround that I know of. In order to change your mail you would need to migrate your account, which you only can do after having bought the game, which you only can do after your e-mail address is verified.
#2759 [19:43] <BPK> Exactly, which is why it's so frustrating...
#2760 [19:43] <BPK> So, basically it's lost for at least another 2 months... or I make a new one.
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#2762 [19:44] <BPK> Thank you for the advice, I was just pitifully hoping there was some way around this.
#2763 [19:44] <Morrolan> If you're lucky then you might be able to reach https://twitter.com/marc_irl on Twitter. Even if you had to try a hundred times it'd be faster than two months I guess.
#2764 [19:44] <Morrolan> Also, every now and then Marc_IRL can be found in here. Now theoretically you could just check in here every now and then, and see whether he's here.
#2765 [19:44] <ShaRose> was just about to say he comes here
#2766 [19:44] <Morrolan> Now if he's here you could, politely, ask him whetehr he could help you.
#2767 [19:45] <Morrolan> It's not really the fairest thing to do, but, eh. ;D
#2768 [19:45] <UniverseTrials> i am having some troubles with opening up minecraft to run it. when i try to run minecraft.exe, it does not open, then after 2 seconds, a file called hss_er_pid**** (the *'s are random numbers) appears on the desktop, and then minecraft just doesnt open, i tried updating my graphics cards, updating java, and even changing settings on my laptop for gaming performance, but it just doesnt work......
#2769 [19:45] <BPK> Oh I see, well thank you. I'll try that.
#2770 [19:45] <DiskDaemon> UniverseTrials: We can help you with that
#2771 [19:46] <UniverseTrials> ok thanks
#2772 [19:46] <Morrolan> BPK - Wait an instant.
#2773 [19:46] <DiskDaemon> UniverseTrials: What's happening is that Minecraft is asking your graphics card to do things that it doesn't know how to do. You need to update your graphics drivers.
#2774 [19:46] <DiskDaemon> ??> UniverseTrials win.dxdiag
#2775 [19:46] <DiskDaemon> ??> UniverseTrials win/dxdiag
#2776 [19:46] <VoxelHead> UniverseTrials: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#2777 [19:46] <VoxelHead> UniverseTrials: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
#2778 [19:46] <Morrolan> Hmm, http://statistics.minecraftirc.net/minecrafthelp.html only has activity bars of the most active people, else I could have told you when Marc_IRL can be found here most often.
#2779 [19:47] <Morrolan> Oh well, he lives in Seattle, according to Twitter, should give you some idea when to check back.
#2780 [19:47] <BPK> Oh, same time zone as myself. Bit of an advantage I guess.
#2781 [19:48] <DiskDaemon> Typically I see Marc in here from a few hours ago to a few hours from now
#2782 [19:48] <UniverseTrials> ok so heres the link http://pastebin.com/brffRneN
#2783 [19:49] <DopeGhoti> !seen marc_irl
#2784 [19:49] <GreyBot> I last saw marc_irl (webchat@cpe-76-87-92-45.socal.res.rr.com) 21hrs 16mins 53secs ago, quitting from IRC, saying: Quit: Web client closed
#2785 [19:49] <DiskDaemon> Currently you are running some fairly old graphics drivers, which are at version 8.15 - we can help you to find some more recent graphics drivers.
#2786 [19:50] <DiskDaemon> ??> UniverseTrials gpu/intel
#2787 [19:50] <VoxelHead> UniverseTrials: (gpu/intel) You can get drivers for Intel video cards and chipsets here: http://downloadcenter.intel.com/
#2788 [19:50] <UniverseTrials> but heres the problem, when i tried to update both of my graphics cards (my laptop has the default intel hd and the radeon hd m series graphics card, i can update the intel card, but the newest update for the radeon card says its not availible on laptops with dedicated graphics, in this case, the radeon graphics
#2789 [19:50] <UniverseTrials> card
#2790 [19:50] <skyboy> sounds like the wrong driver
#2791 [19:51] <DopeGhoti> UniverseTrials: you probably need to go to your OEM for the GPU driver update.
#2792 [19:51] <BPK> Hmm, so I'll assume around 15:00 - 20:00 PST
#2793 [19:51] <UniverseTrials> wheres that?
#2794 [19:51] <BPK> After he gets off work I guess
#2795 [19:52] <Morrolan> Sometimes also during work I suppose. But yea.
#2796 [19:52] <UniverseTrials> whats a OEM?
#2797 [19:52] <DopeGhoti> ?? OEM
#2798 [19:52] <VoxelHead> oem: Original Equipment Manufacturer
#2799 [19:52] <BPK> Alright, I hope I catch him sometime in the next few days...
#2800 [19:52] <BPK> I feel unsure about trying to get to him through Twitter
#2801 [19:53] <UniverseTrials> is there a way that i can disable the radeon graphics card and just use the intel card? maybe the radeon card is also in the way
#2802 [19:54] <DiskDaemon> UniverseTrials: I wouldn't know in regard to your machine. All I can advise it to apply the latest updates for the graphics card that Minecraf is using in your machine
#2803 [19:55] <UniverseTrials> how can i check which driver minecraft is trying to use?
#2804 [19:56] <DiskDaemon> One possible option is to disable one of them, then try again. If you get the same issue then it's likely that it's the same graphics card that it's trying to use
#2805 [19:57] <BPK> Does marc_irl check in regularly? Can I expect him at all today, like the usual times predict?
#2806 [19:57] <DiskDaemon> He's regular, but not consistant
#2807 [19:57] <UniverseTrials> when i try to update the intel graphics card, it says that it is up to date already....plus when i went to the website, i downloaded the newest version, yet it says that they are older than the ones already on my laptop
#2808 [19:57] <Morrolan> Pretty much, yes.
#2809 [19:57] <DopeGhoti> UniverseTrials: again, go to your OEM's site for a GPU update.
#2810 [19:58] <UniverseTrials> ok thanks
#2811 [19:58] <BPK> Okay then, I'll cross my fingers. :s
#2812 [19:58] <DiskDaemon> UniverseTrials: Your existing driver version is 8.15 - the one from the web site is version 12.6
#2813 [19:58] <UniverseTrials> which one do i download? i cant seem to find it
#2814 [19:59] <Morrolan> BPK - Just let the client run in the background and check back periodically, it won't take up that much resources that it should impact anything. :)
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#2816 [20:02] <UniverseTrials> when it says "select a product family" i select graphics, then in the next box i select laptop graphics drivers, then i select in the next box "intel core processors with intel HD graphics" then i select "windows 7 home premium 64-bit version", and then it gives me 4 options to download, the newset one at version 15.22, and when i download it, it gives me the "the graphic card is newer in your laptop then this one, do you want to uninstall and
#2817 [20:03] <DiskDaemon> UniverseTrials: What about the automatic detection?
#2818 [20:03] <UniverseTrials> im doing it right now, one sec
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#2820 [20:05] <minenotchcraft> when i'm trying to play minecraft classic in browser it never loads. its just a black screen what is the source of this problem?
#2821 [20:06] <UniverseTrials> it says that my driver is current
#2822 [20:06] <DiskDaemon> minenotchcraft: Normally, that you are using Java 7 instead of Java 6.
#2823 [20:06] <minenotchcraft> ah
#2824 [20:06] <DiskDaemon> UniverseTrials: Then your computer's graphics driver cannot be updated beyond where it currently is. I think that you know what that means.
#2825 [20:06] <minenotchcraft> yup
#2826 [20:07] <minenotchcraft> thanks
#2827 [20:07] <UniverseTrials> wait, am i suppossed to be looking at the intel processor graphics 3000, or the intel hd graphics family version as it says in control panel as my graphics driver
#2828 [20:07] <DiskDaemon> UniverseTrials: You can try that
#2829 [20:07] <minenotchcraft> hey any word on when the xbox 360 version will be updated?
#2830 [20:07] <UniverseTrials> i need to replace my laptop? how? i bought it in december 2011
#2831 [20:08] <DiskDaemon> UniverseTrials: Some computers (especially notebooks) are not designed to be gaming machines
#2832 [20:08] <UniverseTrials> so is it recommended to sell my laptop, and buy a gaming laptop or a gaming computer in the $800 zone?
#2833 [20:08] <DopeGhoti> UniverseTrials: well, I'd still start with updating your discrete GPU driver
#2834 [20:09] <UniverseTrials> whats gpu?
#2835 [20:09] <DopeGhoti> ?? gpu
#2836 [20:09] <VoxelHead> gpu: Graphical Processing Unit; also known as one's Video Card or Graphics Adapter. See ?? dxdiag for how to get lots if information about yours.
#2837 [20:10] <Wug> UniverseTrials: hold on a second
#2838 [20:10] <UniverseTrials> ok
#2839 [20:12] <Wug> have you tried this one: http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&DwnldID=21430&ProdId=3319&lang=eng&OSVersion=Windows%207%20(64-bit)*&DownloadType=%0ADrivers%0A
#2840 [20:12] <Wug> that's the one for the processor graphics
#2841 [20:12] <Wug> it may or may not work
#2842 [20:12] <Wug> if it doesn't youll have to wait until the drivers are fixed
#2843 [20:13] <DopeGhoti> sigh
#2844 [20:13] <Wug> they will be eventually but it might be a while
#2845 [20:13] <DopeGhoti> Wug: ey has a laptop with a split/discrete GPU. Ey needs to go to eir OEM.
#2846 [20:13] <UniverseTrials> downloading now....
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#2849 [20:37] <marie> why cant i get a premiem account?
#2850 [20:39] <geraldbrent> Have you paid?
#2851 [20:39] <UniverseTrials> the update that you have given me is for i3 processors and below, mine is i5
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#2853 [20:42] <marie> yes
#2854 [20:42] <marie> yes
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#2856 [20:43] <DiskDaemon> UniverseTrials: i3 is just one of many cpu types that it's designed for.
#2857 [20:43] <DiskDaemon> "This software driver package will install the Intel® HD Graphics driver for the 2nd generation Intel® Core™ i3 processor, 2nd generation Intel® Core™ i5 processor, 2nd generation Intel® Core™ i5 vPro™ processor, 2nd generation Intel® Core™ i7 processor, and 2nd generation Intel® Core™ i7 vPro™ processor."
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#2859 [20:45] <magee> why cant i get an account for minecraft when i all ready paid it does let me play it says that i dont have a premiem account
#2860 [20:47] <DiskDaemon> magee: What payment method did you use?
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#2862 [20:47] <magee> a visa gift card i bought at target
#2863 [20:48] <DiskDaemon> Please call up the gift card help line, and confirm if it has been charged yet.
#2864 [20:48] <Elystus> magee: If you read the fine print on the gift card, it will say something about being able to purchase from only American merchants.
#2865 [20:48] <minenotchcraft> everytime i try to play minecraft classic it just pulls up a black screen and if i click it the mouse is stuck in the center until i press b or esc
#2866 [20:48] <minenotchcraft> how do i fix it?
#2867 [20:49] <DiskDaemon> minenotchcraft: Classic doesn''t work with Java 7 - you'll need to use Java 6 to play classic.
#2868 [20:49] <minenotchcraft> where do i get java 6?
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#2872 [20:51] <magee> whats that mean and i read about it and it said that it might not work for some internet purchesses so i dont know if it work for it or not\
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#2874 [20:51] <DiskDaemon> minenotchcraft: From http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/index.html#javasejdk
#2875 [20:52] <DiskDaemon> minenotchcraft: Download the JRE version of Java SE 6 Update 33
#2876 [20:52] <Elystus> magee: Gift cards cannot be used to purchase minecraft.
#2877 [20:52] <DiskDaemon> minenotchcraft: In fact, the page is at http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre6-downloads-1637595.html
#2878 [20:53] <minenotchcraft> i have a mac i hope it is listed on that page
#2879 [20:53] <magee> o ok thanks for the info
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#2882 [20:53] <DiskDaemon> minenotchcraft: That could be a problem. I don't know how to adjust a mac to get Classic working on there
#2883 [20:53] <minenotchcraft> me neither thats why i came here lol
#2884 [20:55] <LighterHook000> When I try to start playing Minecraft I click "In Browser" then it takes me to a new screen and nothing happens. Any suggestions?
#2885 [20:55] <DiskDaemon> minenotchcraft: Part 7 of this post seems to be most relevant http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/649868-guide-mac-support-101-upd-14-june/#entry8508737
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#2887 [20:56] <LighterHook000> I don't have an Apple though
#2888 [20:57] <DiskDaemon> LighterHook000: Are you able to play when downloading the minecraft.exe launcher and playing using that?
#2889 [20:58] <LighterHook000> Yes it works fine then
#2890 [20:58] <LighterHook000> Yes it works fine then but not in browser
#2891 [20:59] <DiskDaemon> LighterHook000: What version of java to see when you verify it at http://www.java.com/en/download/installed.jsp
#2892 [20:59] <LighterHook000> one sec let me check
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#2894 [21:01] <DopeGhoti> LighterHook000: which browser? Which version?
#2895 [21:01] <LighterHook000> It said I had it old version I updated it and it still didn't work
#2896 [21:02] <LighterHook000> I updated it to version 7 update 5
#2897 [21:02] <DiskDaemon> LighterHook000: Okay, let's try it after a reinstall of Miencraft
#2898 [21:02] <DiskDaemon> ??> LighterHook000 win/reinst
#2899 [21:02] <VoxelHead> LighterHook000: (win/reinst) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#2900 [21:02] <VoxelHead> LighterHook000: (win/reinst) To do so, press your Windows+R keys, type in %AppData% at the dialog, and press Enter. In the window that appears, open the .minecraft directory, and delete everything except for the saves directory that you see therein. Then, try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
#2901 [21:03] <DopeGhoti> ??> LighterHook000 java/1.7
#2902 [21:03] <VoxelHead> LighterHook000: (java/1.7) Java 1.7 is still in development, and is known to be incompatible with Minecraft.
#2903 [21:03] <DopeGhoti> ??> LighterHook000 getjava
#2904 [21:03] <VoxelHead> LighterHook000: (getjava) http://java.com/en/download/manual_v6.jsp
#2905 [21:06] <LighterHook000> Tried everything no success
#2906 [21:06] <DiskDaemon> DopeGhoti: Are there any effective ways to get an error report from the in-browser version?
#2907 [21:08] <DopeGhoti> DiskDaemon: the Java console, maybe?
#2908 [21:08] <DopeGhoti> I still assert that removing Java 1.7 would probably help.
#2909 [21:08] <LighterHook000> How do I do that?
#2910 [21:08] <DopeGhoti> Also, I ask again, LighterHook000: Which browser, and which version?
#2911 [21:08] <LighterHook000> It doesn't say it just said I had an old version
#2912 [21:09] <DopeGhoti> you don't know what browser you're trying to run the game in?
#2913 [21:09] <DopeGhoti> that seems unlikely.
#2914 [21:09] <LighterHook000> I'm confused
#2915 [21:10] <DopeGhoti> You said that you're able to run the game when you ise the downloaded client, but not when you try to play in-browser.
#2916 [21:10] <DopeGhoti> I am tring to suss out which browser you are trying to use, and which version of the browser it is.
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#2919 [21:11] <LighterHook000> Correct it worked when downloaded but not in browser
#2920 [21:11] <DopeGhoti> Which. Browser.
#2921 [21:11] <DiskDaemon> LighterHook000: What he's looking for is something like Opera, or Safari, or Chrome, or Internet Explorer, or Firefox, or Netscape, or Mosaic for the type of browser
#2922 [21:12] <DiskDaemon> And further from there, which version of the web browser is being used
#2923 [21:12] <LighterHook000> Oh Firefox
#2924 [21:12] <LighterHook000> is being used
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#2926 [21:15] <DiskDaemon> Is it Firefox version 5, version 7, or version 9?
#2927 [21:15] <DopeGhoti> LighterHook000: okay. go to the Help menu and select 'About Firefox', and tell us which _version_ you're running
#2928 [21:15] <LighterHook000> im running 13.0.1
#2929 [21:16] <DopeGhoti> see ya, then
#2930 [21:16] <DiskDaemon> oi vey
#2931 [21:16] <DopeGhoti> if he comes back: first, downgrade Java to 1.6.
#2932 [21:16] <DopeGhoti> then, try a different browser
#2933 [21:16] <DopeGhoti> then, try a new Windows profile
#2934 [21:16] <DopeGhoti> I'm going home (:
#2935 [21:16] <DiskDaemon> righto, cheers :)
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#2938 [21:17] <Oxymoron> I'm just wondering, is it possible to actually grow things like sugar cane or cactus in Minecraft PE?
#2939 [21:19] <LighterHook000> When i try to start playing Minecraft "In Browser" it doesn't work. Any suggestions?
#2940 [21:19] <DiskDaemon> LighterHook000: Yes - remove your existing Java and use Java 6 instead
#2941 [21:19] <LighterHook000> ok let me try it
#2942 [21:20] <Oxymoron> Can anyone answer my question?
#2943 [21:21] <DiskDaemon> Oxymoron: I see that someone has a Minecraft PE cactus farm, so yes, growing can occur
#2944 [21:21] <Oxymoron> I've tried, but it doesn't work. It seems pretty simple, just place dirt/sand and then the thing you want to grow.
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#2946 [21:22] <Oxymoron> It's been there for probably a couple "days". I was told that it should take about that long.
#2947 [21:23] <LighterHook000> I tried Java Version 6 and it still didn't work
#2948 [21:23] <DiskDaemon> It's a random event when growing occurs, so it could take more than a few days for one piece to grow, depending on how the randomness goes
#2949 [21:23] <DiskDaemon> LighterHook000: Okay, try in a different web browser then, such as Internet Explorer
#2950 [21:23] <LighterHook000> ok let me try
#2951 [21:26] <LighterHook000> I tried Google Chrome and it pulled up something about not having Java even though I just downloaded it should I download it again?
#2952 [21:28] <DiskDaemon> Yes, but use Java 6
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#2954 [21:29] <Giefspoon> Hi, just opened minecraft tekkit mod, and its all white, but i can move and hear things and see my hands , but not the enviorment
#2955 [21:29] <Giefspoon> help please:)
#2956 [21:29] <DiskDaemon> Giefspoon: We don't supprt tekkit here
#2957 [21:30] <Giefspoon> where do you do it?
#2958 [21:30] <DiskDaemon> Giefspoon: Their web site should have information about that
#2959 [21:31] <LighterHook000> Tried Internet explorer no luck
#2960 [21:33] <DiskDaemon> LighterHook000: If you are not able to play in your browser after all of that, you may need to create a new profile (a new computer user account) in case your current one is interfering with things
#2961 [21:33] <LighterHook000> ok thanks for the help
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#2967 [21:57] <joshj5minecraft> how do I connect to my buddies server so we can play multiplayer
#2968 [21:58] <joshj5minecraft> what is whitelist?
#2969 [21:58] <DiskDaemon> Your buddy will need to be able to connect to his serer via his external ip before anyone else will be able to
#2970 [21:59] <joshj5minecraft> what is whitelist?
#2971 [21:59] <DiskDaemon> A whitelist is used when you set things up so that nobody can join unless they are in the whitelist. That's not normally the case.
#2972 [22:00] <DiskDaemon> Are both you and your buddy on the same local network?
#2973 [22:00] <joshj5minecraft> so do I need to give him my ip
#2974 [22:00] <joshj5minecraft> no we are not on the same network
#2975 [22:01] <DiskDaemon> You don't need to give your buddy any information. He just needs to ensure that his router is configured to allow Minecraft traffic through to his server
#2976 [22:01] <joshj5minecraft> ok, thanks
#2977 [22:02] <DiskDaemon> The information that you need from him though ... dammit, gone. His external ip.
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#2986 [22:17] <TheBeastCow> i need help with my mine craft. it freezes a bunch in game and i don't know what to do
#2987 [22:22] <DiskDaemon> TheBeastCow: Can we ge an error report for when it freezes?
#2988 [22:25] <DiskDaemon> TheBeastCow: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Crash#How_to_Get_a_Crash_Report
#2989 [22:27] <TheBeastCow> well the thing is there is no error report. when I'm in my server it just freezes and disconnects. the same in singleplayer
#2990 [22:27] <DiskDaemon> TheBeastCow: An error report should appear in the command prompt window, when you use those instructions
#2991 [22:29] <TheBeastCow> ok one second
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#2993 [22:32] <TheBeastCow> it just needs to freeze
#2994 [22:33] <DopeGhoti> ?? specs
#2995 [22:33] <VoxelHead> specs: Please tell us, to the best of your knowledge and ability, the following: Your computer's make and model, which operating system you are using (including whether it is 32- or 64-bit), how much RAM your computer has, which GPU your computer has, and which version of Java you have installed.
#2996 [22:37] <TheBeastCow> 7/12/12 9:35:17.165 PM UserEventAgent: Machine active for 1849 seconds since last reported. com.apple.message.domain: com.apple.usage.activetime com.apple.message.value: 1849 com.apple.message.summarize: YES
#2997 [22:37] <TheBeastCow> i don't know if i did that right
#2998 [22:38] <DiskDaemon> Is that what it shows when it freezes?
#2999 [22:39] <TheBeastCow> the game freezes but this is what i got out of my console where the report was
#3000 [22:39] <DiskDaemon> This will require someone who knows more about troubleshooting on apple machines than I do
#3001 [22:40] <DopeGhoti> TheBeastCow: are you using any mods whatsoever?
#3002 [22:40] <TheBeastCow> yes i do have plug-ins in my server
#3003 [22:41] <DopeGhoti> And how about the client? Any mods on your client?
#3004 [22:41] <TheBeastCow> no i did but i deleted all that and renewed it
#3005 [22:44] <DopeGhoti> ??> TheBeastCow mac/profile
#3006 [22:44] <VoxelHead> TheBeastCow: (mac/profile) It may be helpful to isolate whether this is a problem with your user account, or with your system as a whole.
#3007 [22:44] <VoxelHead> TheBeastCow: (mac/profile) Please create a new system account (System Preferences => Accounts, log in as that user, and try Minecraft from there. If it works, there's something on your profile that's breaking Java or Minecraft. If not, there's something amiss with your system as a whole.
#3008 [22:46] <TheBeastCow> ok let me try that
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#3011 [22:55] <epicalex360> i need help
#3012 [22:55] <epicalex360> i try to play minecraft and it make a upgrade and it get stuck
#3013 [22:55] <epicalex360> i need help
#3014 [22:56] <DiskDaemon> If the update doesn't want to complete, it's almost certainly your antivirus program preventing Minecraft from getting the files that it needs. You can temporarily disable your antivirus program and then try again.
#3015 [22:57] <epicalex360> my anti firus expire like a month and i buy minecraft yester day
#3016 [22:58] <epicalex360> so wat i do
#3017 [22:58] <DiskDaemon> epicalex360: The only way Minecraft can complete the update process is when your antivirus program is not trying to stop the files that Minecraft needs
#3018 [22:58] <DiskDaemon> Temporarily disable your antivirus program, and try again.
#3019 [22:59] <epicalex360> wat you dont under stand my anti virus expire
#3020 [22:59] <epicalex360> i dont have one
#3021 [22:59] <epicalex360> i will buy tomorow
#3022 [23:01] <epicalex360> hello are you thare
#3023 [23:01] <DiskDaemon> yes, and there is no other way that I'm aware of to help you with the situation that you are having
#3024 [23:01] <epicalex360> ok so you have to make mi a new acount
#3025 [23:02] <epicalex360> bicose IT DONT WANT TO LOAD
#3026 [23:02] <DiskDaemon> pardon?
#3027 [23:02] <epicalex360> no
#3028 [23:02] <epicalex360> NO
#3029 [23:02] <epicalex360> give my money back
#3030 [23:02] <DiskDaemon> Nobody here works for Mojang. We are community volunteers who come to visit this IRC channel.
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#3032 [23:03] <lamaramus> hey
#3033 [23:03] <DiskDaemon> ??> epicalex360 attitude
#3034 [23:03] <VoxelHead> epicalex360: (attitude) The people in #MineCraftHelp offering assistance have no affiliation with Mojang, and are volunteering their time. Please treat them, and #MineCraftHelp, with respect.
#3035 [23:03] <VoxelHead> epicalex360: (attitude) In short, the more of a jerk you are, the lower-priority your questions will be. We are not the Mojang complaint department.
#3036 [23:03] <DiskDaemon> lamaramus: hi there
#3037 [23:04] <epicalex360> so how i talk whit dose who create minecraft
#3038 [23:04] <lamaramus> a friend of mine is trying to connect to the free classic multiplayer browser version and everytime he does and a error message comes up saying fail to connect to server
#3039 [23:05] <DiskDaemon> I think I heard something a few weeks ago about how the classic multiplayer is no longer working
#3040 [23:05] <lamaramus> i can play it just fine
#3041 [23:06] <DiskDaemon> Does his give a reason for why it fails to connect to the server?
#3042 [23:07] <lamaramus> he said. the error message says the server must be down but it cant be if im in it
#3043 [23:07] <DiskDaemon> It may be that his network to the server isn't as good as yours
#3044 [23:10] <lamaramus> ok. even with the free server thing i have he cant connect to either then right
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#3046 [23:11] <epicalex360> i realy need help it say done louding but it stuck
#3047 [23:11] <epicalex360> so how cent you help me
#3048 [23:11] <epicalex360> il be calm
#3049 [23:11] <DiskDaemon> epicalex360: Does the update stop at any point?
#3050 [23:11] <epicalex360> is stop
#3051 [23:12] <epicalex360> thhe final one
#3052 [23:12] <DiskDaemon> ??> epicalex360 win/reinst
#3053 [23:12] <VoxelHead> epicalex360: (win/reinst) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#3054 [23:12] <VoxelHead> epicalex360: (win/reinst) To do so, press your Windows+R keys, type in %AppData% at the dialog, and press Enter. In the window that appears, open the .minecraft directory, and delete everything except for the saves directory that you see therein. Then, try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
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#3056 [23:22] <areiffer> join #dhmc_us
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#3064 [23:36] <epicalex360> ok i delet all my minecraft thing
#3065 [23:36] <epicalex360> and wen i riandstalet it stay the same
#3066 [23:37] <epicalex360> hello
#3067 [23:37] <epicalex360> deamon
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#3069 [23:37] <DiskDaemon> epicalex360: You have the same problem when it's updating?
#3070 [23:37] <epicalex360> yes
#3071 [23:37] <epicalex360> it stay the same
#3072 [23:37] <epicalex360> same place
#3073 [23:37] <DiskDaemon> That is caused by an antivirus program preventing Minecraft from downloading the files that it needs
#3074 [23:38] <epicalex360> ok you dont remamber thath i dont have antivirus
#3075 [23:38] <DiskDaemon> There is no other known reason for that issue
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#3077 [23:39] <epicalex360> but cent you talk whit the guy who create minecraft
#3078 [23:40] <epicalex360> to help me
#3079 [23:40] <DiskDaemon> sorry no
#3080 [23:41] <epicalex360> do you noa way to contact them
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#3082 [23:42] <DiskDaemon> You can email them at http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/emails/new but it can take some time before your email is responded to
#3083 [23:43] <skyboy> i vote this channel implement some spelling rule like risucraft does
#3084 [23:44] <DiskDaemon> skyboy: That's covered
#3085 [23:44] <DiskDaemon> ?? dont/tweet
#3086 [23:44] <VoxelHead> dont/tweet: IRC has a very generous limit on the length of its messages. Please, for the sake of our sanity, use complete words, such as 'you', 'one', and 'are', and not 'u', '1', and 'r'.
#3087 [23:45] <skyboy> "cent" instead of "said," "noa" instead of "know a," and possibly worst of all, "riandstalet"
#3088 [23:45] <epicalex360> thx dude
#3089 [23:45] <skyboy> the last one i'm still processing
#3090 [23:45] <epicalex360> se you tomorow
#3091 [23:45] <DiskDaemon> "reinstalled it"
#3092 [23:46] <skyboy> but it was followed by "it"
#3093 [23:46] <DiskDaemon> The first word then :)
#3094 [23:46] <skyboy> i still can't comprehend how he got to that spelling though
#3095 [23:47] <DiskDaemon> re-in-stall-ed <-> ri-and-stal-et
#3096 [23:47] <skyboy> i should avoid customer service jobs. i don't know if i'd be able to help half of them.
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#3098 [23:52] <DiskDaemon> I won't be here tomorrow when he comes back - I'll be out all day. I only wish he stuck around long enough to be notified about when he's likely to hear back from them
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#3100 [23:54] <AAElite> hello?
#3101 [23:54] <DiskDaemon> hi there
#3102 [23:54] <AAElite> hey umm i have a problem with logging into my minecraft account
#3103 [23:54] <DiskDaemon> what's the trouble?
#3104 [23:55] <AAElite> in my launcher i type in my name and password then it sez account migrated use email then when i use that it says logn failed
#3105 [23:55] <AAElite> login*
#3106 [23:56] <DiskDaemon> What do you see when you log in to mojang.com
#3107 [23:56] <AAElite> i can login fine at mojang
#3108 [23:56] <AAElite> i cant migrate my account though
#3109 [23:57] <DiskDaemon> okay, one way to help fix that is to reset your account password using the info in this article http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/329524-change-or-forgot-password
#3110 [23:57] <DiskDaemon> Hang on, it says your account is migrated, but you're saying that you cannot migrate your account?
#3111 [23:58] <AAElite> it says on my games that i can import my minecraft account
#3112 [23:59] <AAElite> then when i click on it it takes me to migration page
#3113 [23:59] <AAElite> so im assuming that it isnt migrated