#1 [00:00] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: Have you tried doing a ping from the cmd prompt?
#2 [00:00] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: We went one further with a tracert instead http://pastebin.com/UaSXhLbr
#3 [00:01] <Elystus> odd
#4 [00:01] <DiskDaemon> indeed it is
#5 [00:02] <Elystus> We could test to see if the problem is account wide or if it is system wide
#6 [00:02] <DiskDaemon> By creating a new user account and trying from there
#7 [00:02] <Elystus> yea
#8 [00:04] <Linkoz> I don't sign in while trying to download minecraft... I never had too.
#9 [00:04] <DiskDaemon> you still shouldn't have to
#10 [00:05] <Linkoz> Like i have not done anything to mess it up nor have i downloaded anything..
#11 [00:06] <Elystus> Linkoz: Can you try creating a new windows account and try downloading it from there.
#12 [00:06] <Linkoz> yeah give me a few.
#13 [00:06] <Elystus> If that does not work, it could be a hosts file issue.
#14 [00:06] <DiskDaemon> My original advice still stands. Copy minecraft.exe from one computer to another. That won't fix what was causing the download problem though which may affect you later on too
#15 [00:09] <Linkoz> it does not work Elystus
#16 [00:10] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: Do you think it is worth lookin at the hosts file/
#17 [00:11] <DiskDaemon> Sure, he can pastebin that for us too
#18 [00:11] <Linkoz> Ill do most anything to get it working agian.
#19 [00:11] <Linkoz> again*
#20 [00:12] <Elystus> Let me pastebin some directions
#21 [00:15] <Elystus> acutllay directions are here: http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/524445-minecraft-account-support-account-faqs/#con
#22 [00:15] <Elystus> second bullet down.
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#24 [00:18] <Linkoz> this one? "I can no longer log into Minecraft.net Solutions for common minecraft.net login issues"
#25 [00:19] <Elystus> http://pastebin.com/iqG0xfUy
#26 [00:19] <Elystus> that part
#27 [00:20] <Linkoz> okay ill give it a shot.
#28 [00:23] <Linkoz> There's not one for minecraft.net
#29 [00:23] <Linkoz> it's all adobe
#30 [00:23] <Elystus> >_<
#31 [00:23] <Elystus> can you post it anyway on pastebin.com?
#32 [00:23] <Linkoz> yeah
#33 [00:24] <Linkoz> http://pastebin.com/bAxt3mKR
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#35 [00:24] <Elystus> THERE IT IS!
#36 [00:25] * VoxelHead is blown away by force of Elystus's statement
#36 [00:25] <Elystus> Delete this line 216.238.64.66 s3.amazonaws.com
#37 [00:25] <Andrio> lol
#38 [00:25] * Elystus is really happy right now.
#38 [00:25] <DiskDaemon> well done
#39 [00:25] <Linkoz> okay lol and restart the browser?
#40 [00:25] <Elystus> save it and restart the browser
#41 [00:26] * DiskDaemon regifts cookie from GreyVulpine's to Elystus
#41 [00:26] <Linkoz> brb then.
#42 [00:26] <Elystus> \o/
#43 [00:26] * Elystus noms on the cookie
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#44 [00:26] <Linkoz> It works!
#45 [00:27] <Elystus> \o/
#46 [00:27] <Linkoz> Thank you Elystus and DiskDaemon
#47 [00:27] <Elystus> You're welcome :)
#48 [00:27] <DiskDaemon> you're welcome
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#50 [00:28] <Elystus> huh... its been a while since the hosts file has been an issue. :/
#51 [00:28] <Elystus> wonder what caused it.
#52 [00:29] <Linkoz> That evenly fixed the tekkit problem I was having
#53 [00:29] <DiskDaemon> I feel silly for not thinking of checking the ip address
#54 [00:29] <Elystus> It was MSE
#55 [00:29] <Elystus> that added it to the hosts file.
#56 [00:29] <Linkoz> but why didn't it randomly add it though?
#57 [00:30] <Linkoz> did*
#58 [00:30] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: If it's MSE, I could expect to find the same in mine, since I've been running MSE for a few years here now, right?
#59 [00:30] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: its the only explanation of how it could have gotten there.
#60 [00:30] <Linkoz> Ive been running MSE for 4 years on this computer.
#61 [00:30] <DiskDaemon> There are plenty of other explanations
#62 [00:31] <Linkoz> never had a problem with it besides one.
#63 [00:31] * Elystus goes off to test random stuff
#63 [00:33] <Linkoz> Well thanks again you two...
#64 [00:33] * Linkoz goes off and plays minecraft.
#64 [00:33] <Elystus> cya
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#75 [01:06] <bozo97> hello i need help setting up a server, how do i do it
#76 [01:07] <bozo97> ??
#77 [01:07] <Elystus> what part do you need help with?
#78 [01:07] <bozo97> setting the whole thing up
#79 [01:07] <Elystus> I assume that you have already downloaded the minecraft server exe?
#80 [01:08] <bozo97> not yet i want to no what do after that
#81 [01:08] <DiskDaemon> Instructions are at http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Tutorials/Setting_up_a_server
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#84 [01:09] <bozo97> that is hard to understand
#85 [01:10] <Elystus> If it is hard to understand, you should probably not set up a server.
#86 [01:10] <DiskDaemon> There is a lot of info there, because people can have a lot of trouble
#87 [01:10] <Elystus> Running server software on your computer without knowledge about networking may seriously harm your system security and lead to severe vulnerabilities.
#88 [01:10] <Elystus> DO NOT open ports in your router without KNOWING EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE DOING!
#89 [01:10] <Elystus> Quoting the wiki page ^
#90 [01:10] <DiskDaemon> Good advice that ^
#91 [01:12] <DiskDaemon> Although I see an update to it that I really should make
#92 [01:12] <Elystus> where?
#93 [01:12] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: In this section here http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Tutorials/Setting_up_a_server#REQUIRED:_Verify_and_Install_the_Latest_Version_of_Java
#94 [01:13] <bozo97> how do i do it within a local connection
#95 [01:13] <Elystus> bozo97: To do that, you just download the minecraftserver.exe and run it.
#96 [01:13] <DiskDaemon> bozo97: Connect the client to 127.0.0.1 for a connection to your same computer
#97 [01:13] <bozo97> what about all the stuff it comes with
#98 [01:14] <Elystus> then people in your local network can connect to it using your local ipv4 address.
#99 [01:14] <Elystus> bozo97: What do you mean?
#100 [01:15] <bozo97> so i download it then run it and thats all
#101 [01:15] <Elystus> yep
#102 [01:16] <bozo97> it came up with this white square thing
#103 [01:16] <bozo97> thats says setting up spawn
#104 [01:16] <bozo97> and other stuff
#105 [01:17] <bozo97> what do i do
#106 [01:18] <Elystus> let it finish
#107 [01:18] <bozo97> it did
#108 [01:18] <bozo97> then what
#109 [01:18] <Elystus> then open minecraft and connect to the server
#110 [01:19] <bozo97> ok i will try it
#111 [01:19] <bozo97> do i click direct connect
#112 [01:19] <bozo97> or add server
#113 [01:19] <Elystus> noth will work.
#114 [01:19] <Elystus> both*
#115 [01:20] <bozo97> i clicked add server what do i write in
#116 [01:20] <Elystus> 127.0.0.1
#117 [01:20] <Elystus> then connect
#118 [01:20] <bozo97> whats that for
#119 [01:20] <Elystus> its the ip
#120 [01:20] <bozo97> for what
#121 [01:20] <Elystus> your server
#122 [01:21] <bozo97> do i write it in server address
#123 [01:21] <Elystus> yes
#124 [01:21] <bozo97> what about my computer ip address
#125 [01:21] <Elystus> no need for your external ip if you are just doing a local server.
#126 [01:21] <bozo97> ok
#127 [01:21] <bozo97> who does my sister join
#128 [01:22] <bozo97> how
#129 [01:22] <Elystus> she needs your local ipv4 address
#130 [01:22] <bozo97> which is my computer ip address
#131 [01:22] <Elystus> open command prompt and type in ipconfig.
#132 [01:22] <bozo97> yer i got that
#133 [01:22] <Elystus> There are multiple computer ip address's
#134 [01:22] <bozo97> yer i got the ipv4 1
#135 [01:23] <bozo97> my sister is on a different computer how doe she get minecraft
#136 [01:24] <Elystus> she downloads the launcher and logs in.
#137 [01:24] <bozo97> ok
#138 [01:24] <bozo97> i tried to connect to my server and it says cant reach server
#139 [01:25] <Elystus> is the server running?
#140 [01:25] <bozo97> no it says cant reach server
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#142 [01:25] <Elystus> I know, but is ther server running right now?
#143 [01:25] <bozo97> no it wont let me
#144 [01:25] <Elystus> It won't let you start the server?
#145 [01:26] <bozo97> yes because it says cant reach server
#146 [01:26] <Elystus> bozo97: Would you mind if we used teamviewer?
#147 [01:27] <bozo97> what is that
#148 [01:27] <Elystus> ??> bozo97 teamviewer
#149 [01:27] <VoxelHead> bozo97: (teamviewer) Teamviewer is remote access software, which enables other people to, with your permission, access your computer remotely and attempt to perform troubleshooting and diagnostics.
#150 [01:27] <VoxelHead> bozo97: (teamviewer) Teamviewer's website is here: http://www.teamviewer.com/en/index.aspx
#151 [01:28] <bozo97> your not going to do something stupid to my computer like add viruses
#152 [01:28] <Elystus> I will not.
#153 [01:28] <bozo97> ok then
#154 [01:29] <Elystus> Use this one http://www.teamviewer.com/download/TeamViewerQS_en.exe
#155 [01:31] <bozo97> it downloaded
#156 [01:31] <Elystus> start it
#157 [01:31] <Elystus> then msg me the id and password
#158 [01:31] <bozo97> id and password
#159 [01:32] <bozo97> id - 787 401 619 and password is 5112
#160 [01:32] <Elystus> Well I meant in private message
#161 [01:33] <Elystus> connected
#162 [01:34] <bozo97> be quick
#163 [01:34] <Elystus> okay make sure to leave this running when you want to play
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#165 [01:35] <bozo97> she is downloading the launcher
#166 [01:35] <Elystus> okay, let me know when it is done
#167 [01:36] <bozo97> it says cant connect to minecraft.net
#168 [01:36] <bozo97> when she tries to log in
#169 [01:36] <bozo97> does she need her own log in or can she use mine
#170 [01:36] <Elystus> She needs to get her own.
#171 [01:36] <bozo97> ok just wait
#172 [01:40] <bozo97> she is just having a bit of troublle
#173 [01:40] <VoxelHead> Blblblblblbl.
#174 [01:43] <Elystus> what trouble is she having?
#175 [01:43] <bozo97> dont worry she is now activating her account
#176 [01:46] <bozo97> she foegot her password to her email
#177 [01:47] <Elystus> have her do a password reset for her email them.
#178 [01:47] <Elystus> then*
#179 [01:49] <bozo97> she is but her internet is slow
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#181 [01:56] <bozo97> she is logging in
#182 [01:56] <bozo97> cant log in
#183 [01:57] <Elystus> what ip is she using?
#184 [01:57] <bozo97> does her account have to be premium or can she just download and play
#185 [01:57] <Elystus> it has to be premium
#186 [01:57] <bozo97> oh because she just registered and downloaded the free version of the site
#187 [01:58] <Elystus> you have to buy minecraft to login though.
#188 [01:58] <bozo97> she downloaded the launcher and she logged in using the account she just made and it said cant connect
#189 [01:59] <Elystus> that is because her account is not premium.
#190 [01:59] <bozo97> can she get a free premium account?? PLEASE
#191 [01:59] <Elystus> Sorry, but no :(
#192 [02:00] <bozo97> :( PLEASE JUST DONT TELL YOUR BOSS
#193 [02:00] <Elystus> I don't work for Mojang.
#194 [02:00] <Elystus> Also, no one from there will give you one for free.
#195 [02:00] <bozo97> can you give us a giftcode for it
#196 [02:00] <Elystus> No
#197 [02:01] <bozo97> :( :( :( :( ok then
#198 [02:02] <bozo97> because i just bought the game for my computer
#199 [02:03] <bozo97> well goodbye
#200 [02:03] <Elystus> Goodbye :)
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#202 [02:05] <reglac111> hello people
#203 [02:06] <Elystus> o/
#204 [02:06] <Elystus> ;-;
#205 [02:10] <MineWonder> Lame you cant breed in 12w27a :\
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#209 [02:43] <MineWonder> Breeding is abit buggy on 12w27a it seems
#210 [02:43] <MineWonder> Doesnt show that the animals actually fall inlove.. They just mate an have babys
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#213 [02:50] <skyboy> turn particles to "all"
#214 [02:50] <skyboy> you have it on "minimal"
#215 [02:59] <MineWonder> It was on all lol
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#221 [03:45] <Ramon> In the game minecraft for Xbox 360 can you add different skins for the next update
#222 [03:46] <Ramon> Like some skins from tv shows
#223 [03:46] <Ramon> Or computer games
#224 [03:49] <Ramon> My favorite show is naruto so I'm wondering in the next update for Xbox if you can add some skins from that show
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#226 [03:49] <Ramon> He
#227 [03:49] <Ramon> Hello
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#230 [03:58] <LliamWardy> just bought minecraft and when I use my left hand mouse button it takes me back to main menu all the time. I've configured attack as lh button, use item for rh button and pick block for wheel. happens if mouse invert is on or off
#231 [04:05] <DiskDaemon> LliamWardy: Are you playing on a linux box?
#232 [04:05] <LliamWardy> no windows 7 - just removed and updated java. am 32bit
#233 [04:06] <DiskDaemon> Are you using the WoM client?
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#235 [04:08] <Theboykitten> Hey, setting up a server. For some reason despite port forwarding to port 25565 canyouseeme.org cannot see me, and my friends all get a connection refused message.
#236 [04:08] <DiskDaemon> LliamWardy: Which client are you using? The paid premium one, the classic, or some other?
#237 [04:08] <Theboykitten> Of MC? Paid
#238 [04:08] <DiskDaemon> Theboykitten: that was for LliamWardy
#239 [04:09] <LliamWardy> liamwardy is using premium paid version single user
#240 [04:09] <DiskDaemon> Theboykitten: Before port forwarding, you should test first whether you can gain a local connection to the server on 127.0.0.1
#241 [04:10] <DiskDaemon> LliamWardy: Thanks - that helps me to narrow down the searching, and potentially find a solution for you
#242 [04:11] <LliamWardy> thank you! my eight year old is going nuts!
#243 [04:13] <DiskDaemon> LliamWardy: You're not alone with the issue. A few other people have it, without solution so far http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1158897-window-focus-lost-on-mouse-button-click/
#244 [04:14] <LliamWardy> good to know it's not my techno nerd kicking in
#245 [04:16] <Necrodoom> DiskDaemon: what is that edit? :P
#246 [04:17] <DiskDaemon> Ooh, nice spotting there.
#247 [04:17] <DiskDaemon> LliamWardy Someone claims to have fixed the problem by removing Java 7 and installing Java 6 in its place.
#248 [04:18] <DiskDaemon> Another potential cause is malware, which can be fairly easily resolved. Download malwarebytes, boot to safe mode and run a full scan, let it go uninterrupted until finished.
#249 [04:18] <DiskDaemon> http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1289035-my-windows-keep-on-defocusing/#entry15750242
#250 [04:18] <LliamWardy> will try, thanks. would Kaspersky spot this type of thing, or is it hardware/
#251 [04:19] <DiskDaemon> No, kaspersky tends to only focus on virusus. Malware are a completely different type of issue.
#252 [04:21] <LliamWardy> ta
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#254 [04:38] <skyboy> disk: check risucraft. i improved TNT infinitely
#255 [04:39] <DiskDaemon> nice work
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#257 [04:42] <DiskDaemon> skyboy: On the Aether mod they're wanting to find a way to generate their dungeons using the built-in generation methods instead of the existing slower multi-chunk generation ones currently used. Would you be interested in taking a look at that at any stage?
#258 [04:43] <bozo97> hello i was going to play minecraft with my sister but she does not have a premium account
#259 [04:43] <skyboy> i may not be able to help, i don't fully understand the current techniques yet
#260 [04:43] <DiskDaemon> bozo97: And you are wanting to know if it's allowed for two people to play without having two accounts?
#261 [04:43] <bozo97> if i put my premium account onto a usb and put it onto the other computer will that work
#262 [04:44] <skyboy> she would have to log into your account, copying the files over won't do anything
#263 [04:44] <lemon-rev> bozo solong as that account isnt used on both computers at the same time
#264 [04:44] <DiskDaemon> bozo97: multiplayer servers check that the connecting account is valid, and duplicates aren't allowed on the server
#265 [04:44] <skyboy> and i don't think two people on the same account can join the same server
#266 [04:44] <bozo97> its only a local server
#267 [04:44] <skyboy> doesn't matter
#268 [04:44] <skyboy> all servers are the same
#269 [04:45] <DiskDaemon> You can set the local server to be offline, that would work.
#270 [04:45] <bozo97> how
#271 [04:45] <DiskDaemon> But, dealing with the username issue would still be a problem.
#272 [04:45] <bozo97> ok
#273 [04:45] <DiskDaemon> bozo97: Buy an account for your sister.
#274 [04:45] <skyboy> basically: she has to purchase premium, or someone much purchase it for her
#275 [04:45] <DiskDaemon> It's a gift that lasts a lifetime :)
#276 [04:46] <bozo97> i dont want to beaciuse i just bought my account
#277 [04:46] <skyboy> or at least until she gets bored of minecraft
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#279 [04:46] <DiskDaemon> bozo97: We can't help you with that sorry
#280 [04:46] <skyboy> then she can't play, because you don't want to buy it and she can't or refuses to buy it
#281 [04:46] <DiskDaemon> bozo97: Is there anything else that we can help you with?
#282 [04:47] <bozo97> so i cant play with her
#283 [04:47] <DiskDaemon> bozo97: YOu can when you both have separate accounts
#284 [04:48] <bozo97> is there anyway to get a free account
#285 [04:48] <skyboy> no
#286 [04:48] <DiskDaemon> bozo97: Your sister can get a free account by you buying a gift code for her.
#287 [04:49] <bozo97> nope
#288 [04:49] <DiskDaemon> That's the only useful way I know of
#289 [04:49] <skyboy> then there is nothing further we have to say on the issue.
#290 [04:50] <DiskDaemon> bozo97: If you are looking for illegal ways to play minecraft with her, you won't find such help here.
#291 [04:50] <bozo97> im not, well thats all
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#293 [04:50] <teetor314> sup
#294 [04:54] <bozo97> goodbye
#295 [04:54] <bozo97> wait
#296 [04:54] <bozo97> do any of u play online
#297 [04:55] <DiskDaemon> What for?
#298 [04:55] <bozo97> mijnecraft
#299 [04:56] <bozo97> or on ps3
#300 [04:56] <DiskDaemon> *rephrase* For what purpose are you asking us if we play?
#301 [04:56] <skyboy> ??>> bozo97 smp/servers
#302 [04:57] <bozo97> what??
#303 [04:57] <DiskDaemon> bozo97: Why are you asking us "do any of u play online"
#304 [04:58] <bozo97> so i could play with u
#305 [04:59] <DiskDaemon> bozo97: No thanks. I would rather not play with you.
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#307 [04:59] <bozo97> oh thats mean
#308 [05:00] <DiskDaemon> It's honest too.
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#310 [05:03] <DiskDaemon> bozo97: I would rather be here in this channel helping people, which is the truth of the matter.
#311 [05:03] <bozo97> do u have a ps3
#312 [05:04] <DiskDaemon> No thanks.
#313 [05:05] <DiskDaemon> I find that I have a much better experience on my PC, using if need be something like an xbox controller to control the PC game
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#315 [05:05] <skyboy> nothing bests the mouse+keyboard, however
#316 [05:06] <DiskDaemon> That's true. Many games (expecially badly ported ones) are a better experience with the controller, because they've been designed to be played that way
#317 [05:11] <bozo97> play mionecraft online with me someone
#318 [05:12] <DiskDaemon> bozo97: This channel is not for begging others to play online with them. Try #smp isntead
#319 [05:13] <bozo97> what is smp
#320 [05:13] <DiskDaemon> ?? smp
#321 [05:13] <VoxelHead> smp: Survival Multi-Player
#322 [05:13] <Necrodoom> Survival MultiPlayer
#323 [05:18] <bozo97> ok
#324 [05:19] <bozo97> i play the survival games
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#326 [05:36] <bozo97> i need help with single player
#327 [05:37] <DiskDaemon> in what way?
#328 [05:44] * alexthespykid [alexthespykid@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#329 [05:45] <skyboy> ??> bozo97 wiki
#330 [05:45] <VoxelHead> bozo97: (wiki) For general questions about Minecraft gameplay, the Minecraft Wiki is an excellent resource.
#331 [05:45] <VoxelHead> bozo97: (wiki) Go to http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/ and enjoy!
#332 [05:46] <bozo97> is there a fast way to build mountains and hills in single player with a super flat land
#333 [05:46] <Necrodoom> right click
#334 [05:46] <DiskDaemon> nope
#335 [05:47] <DiskDaemon> There are some mods such as world builder and others, but we don't deal with those here
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#337 [05:59] <HonsW> Hello, I need for my internship, the Minecraft-server.jar. I would be glad if someone could give me.
#338 [05:59] <Necrodoom> www.minecraft.net
#339 [05:59] <DiskDaemon> HonsW: You can obtain it from the minecraft.net web sote
#340 [05:59] <DiskDaemon> *site
#341 [06:00] <HonsW> i need the 1.7.3 Version
#342 [06:00] <DiskDaemon> That will be more challenging for you to obtin. Good luck.
#343 [06:02] <DiskDaemon> HonsW: A google search with the right terms though, will result in you being able to rapidly find and download it.
#344 [06:02] <HonsW> i am searching for more than 2 hours but i don´t find anithing
#345 [06:02] <teetor314> Xephos:Connected
#346 [06:03] <teetor314> I may be able to help with that
#347 [06:03] <teetor314> HonsW
#348 [06:05] <HonsW> It would be nice if you could help me
#349 [06:05] <teetor314> 1.7.3 you say?
#350 [06:05] <teetor314> for client?
#351 [06:06] <HonsW> the server file
#352 [06:06] <teetor314> ah ok
#353 [06:06] <teetor314> let me search my collection :D
#354 [06:06] <teetor314> ive been playin since beta 1.5 so i should hav it
#355 [06:06] <HonsW> thanks very much
#356 [06:07] <teetor314> as requested :D http://www.mediafire.com/?i04pww5ollbwgq9
#357 [06:07] <teetor314> i believe that is what you are needing?
#358 [06:08] <teetor314> that is the bukkit version i beleive
#359 [06:08] <teetor314> *believe
#360 [06:09] <HonsW> do you have the vanilla version to ?
#361 [06:09] <teetor314> i will check
#362 [06:09] <teetor314> but i think thats it
#363 [06:09] <teetor314> im looking
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#365 [06:13] <teetor314_> ok sorry laged out
#366 [06:13] <teetor314_> that looks like the only 1.7.3 file i have
#367 [06:14] <DiskDaemon> I'm on to some promising leads too
#368 [06:14] <teetor314_> well i had that file on my local system from a old server of mine
#369 [06:14] <teetor314_> but yea
#370 [06:14] <teetor314_> im out for the night
#371 [06:14] <teetor314_> need some sleep
#372 [06:20] <HonsW> Please write me if you have found something.
#373 [06:25] <DiskDaemon> In my searchings, I was reminded that it's illegal to distribute the older servers. Sorry.
#374 [06:25] <HonsW> really ok
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#377 [06:39] <Lauris> What to do If Minecraft crashes Display driver? Video Card Radeon HD 6470M
#378 [06:41] <Calinou> > update your video card drivers (do NOT use windows update)
#379 [06:41] <DiskDaemon> ??> Lauris dxdiag
#380 [06:41] <DiskDaemon> ??> Lauris win/dxdiag
#381 [06:41] <VoxelHead> Lauris: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#382 [06:41] <VoxelHead> Lauris: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
#383 [06:43] <Lauris> System tab?
#384 [06:44] <DiskDaemon> Yes
#385 [06:44] <DiskDaemon> In fact, it matters not which tab, because the "save all information" button is available from all of them
#386 [06:45] <Lauris> Ok....
#387 [06:45] <Lauris> Im not proffesional about computers
#388 [06:45] <Lauris> http://pastebin.com/RH4U6n3A
#389 [06:45] <DiskDaemon> The place from which you should be able to get the latest drivers for your graphics card is http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/windows/Pages/radeonmob_win7-64.aspx
#390 [06:47] <Lauris> So i need to update them?
#391 [06:47] <DiskDaemon> Lauris: Yes. The lack of that is what is causing your existing problem.
#392 [06:48] <Lauris> I got 2 problemz or it can show me that Blue error too?
#393 [06:48] <Lauris> problems*
#394 [06:48] <DiskDaemon> Lauris: Would you like to show us details of the problem?
#395 [06:49] <Lauris> You mean what happens ?
#396 [06:49] <DiskDaemon> We cannoit advise without information
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#398 [06:49] <lastkiller> hello
#399 [06:49] <DiskDaemon> hi there
#400 [06:50] <lastkiller> any mojang suport?
#401 [06:50] <DiskDaemon> we can provide that
#402 [06:50] <DiskDaemon> nobody here works for mojang, but we can help in certain ways
#403 [06:50] <Lauris> So I am Playing...Game Freezes for some seconds. Then screen flashes some times and I get to Blue error and computer restarts Sometimes just system says driver crashed and its reloaded
#404 [06:51] <lastkiller> i have created an acount yesterday but doesnt recived the verifiction email
#405 [06:51] <DiskDaemon> Lauris: That sounds like it's indicative of damaged hardware
#406 [06:51] <Lauris> And how to fix that?
#407 [06:51] <DiskDaemon> Lauris: Replace the defective hardware
#408 [06:52] <DiskDaemon> lastkiller: What email domain are you on?
#409 [06:52] <lastkiller> google
#410 [06:52] <DiskDaemon> lastkiller: gmail?
#411 [06:52] <lastkiller> yes
#412 [06:53] <DiskDaemon> lastkiller: Okay. Go to the More section on the left, and you will see a Spam area in there. Sometimes important emails end up there
#413 [06:53] <lastkiller> no emails there
#414 [06:53] <Lauris> How to replace it? Is it buying a new part?
#415 [06:54] <DiskDaemon> Lauris: You have a notebook so you're unlikely to be able to replace just the part
#416 [06:54] <Calinou> ^ yes, sorta, unless you have another graphics card that isn't in a computer
#417 [06:54] <Calinou> ^ also, this... I thought you were on a desktop coputer
#418 [06:54] <Calinou> computer*
#419 [06:54] <Lauris> So i cant fix that?
#420 [06:55] <DiskDaemon> lastkiller: If you suspect that the email address may have been mistyped, Mojang provide help on how to change your email http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/329530-my-email-account-has-changed-
#421 [06:55] <DiskDaemon> The M on the end of the video card type was indicative of a mobile platform
#422 [06:56] <DiskDaemon> To confirm though, the system model of his machine is a K53BY, which is an ASUS notebook.
#423 [06:56] <Lauris> Some programms like Desktop gadgets says i got another Video card is that possible?
#424 [06:56] <DiskDaemon> Lauris: No, we cannot fix what is suspected to be hardware faults.
#425 [06:57] <DiskDaemon> Lauris: This other one? Radeon HD 6310 Graphics
#426 [06:57] <Lauris> Yes
#427 [06:57] <Lauris> Is that useable?
#428 [06:58] <DiskDaemon> Sorry, I don't know how to do that for you
#429 [06:58] <lastkiller> i cant buy the account because i cant verify the email
#430 [06:58] <lastkiller> so i cant migrate to mojang
#431 [06:58] <DiskDaemon> lastkiller: You would need to contact Mojang then
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#433 [06:59] <Lauris> As much as I can see HD 6310 Fan doesnt move that could mean nothing uses it
#434 [07:00] <DiskDaemon> lastkiller: You can try getting in touch with them with this page, but there is a wait of a few months before a reply http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/emails/new
#435 [07:00] <DiskDaemon> Lauris: I suggest that you contact the supplier of your notebook for information on how to swithc between its graphics cards
#436 [07:01] <Lauris> I will try contact Google.com Search box :D
#437 [07:01] <DiskDaemon> good luck
#438 [07:01] <Lauris> Thank you
#439 [07:01] <DiskDaemon> you're welcome
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#441 [07:04] <Lauris> what is system BIOS?
#442 [07:04] <Lauris> Oh seems like i found
#443 [07:05] <Lauris> Bye... Going to try to do it :P
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#445 [07:17] <musicman5676> i need help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i have a mac and i open it. I login and try to press login button and under the login button, in white and parentheses, it says "Not downloaded"
#446 [07:17] * clarjon1 [clarjon1@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#447 [07:20] <DiskDaemon> musicman5676: The minecraft.jar file that you get from minecraft.net performs an update after you log in, and downloads what it needs. Do you want to use that one?
#448 [07:20] <musicman5676> sure, but idk how.
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#450 [07:22] <DiskDaemon> musicman5676: Go to minecraft.net - do you see the download link?
#451 [07:23] <musicman5676> ok. i clicked on the link that said "Download". what now?
#452 [07:23] <DiskDaemon> Do you see the "show all platforms" link?
#453 [07:24] <DiskDaemon> Follow the instructions under the Minecraft for Mac OS X heading
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#457 [07:25] <Tasnia> I'm trying to connect to a server, however it is giving me the error message that it has failed to connect.
#458 [07:25] <musicman5676> tasnia thats happening to me 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#459 [07:26] <DiskDaemon> musicman5676: You have a different problem. Please don't conflate.
#460 [07:26] <DiskDaemon> Tasnia: Dooes your error message provide any details as to why?
#461 [07:27] <MineWonder> Shes tryin to connect with me threw hamachia
#462 [07:27] <MineWonder> hamachi
#463 [07:27] <DiskDaemon> I'm sorry, I don't support hamachi.
#464 [07:27] <MineWonder> Thats the only way we know to do things threw smp
#465 [07:28] <DiskDaemon> Hamachi runs itself on IP addresses that belong to someone else. As a result, their service is spotty at best
#466 [07:28] <Tasnia> Even when I try to connect through Minecraft, it says "connection timed out:connect"
#467 [07:28] <DiskDaemon> Who's running the server?
#468 [07:28] <MineWonder> Me
#469 [07:28] <DiskDaemon> MineWonder: Remove hamachi, and we can take you through how to set up your server
#470 [07:29] <MineWonder> alright 1 sec
#471 [07:29] <musicman5676> it still says "not downloaded"
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#473 [07:29] <DiskDaemon> musicman5676: This may require someone who knows more than the little that I know about macs
#474 [07:29] <MineWonder> tasnia what version do you run on for minecraft
#475 [07:29] <musicman5676> ok. well thank u 4 ur help.
#476 [07:31] <Tasnia> What do you mean? as in 1.2.5?
#477 [07:32] <MineWonder> alright when ever you get time disk im ready
#478 [07:33] <DiskDaemon> Okay. Run up your server, and use the Minecraft client to connect to 127.0.0.1
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#480 [07:36] <MineWonder> Alright i created one threw that
#481 [07:37] <DiskDaemon> And it worked as it should do?
#482 [07:37] <Lauris> Im back
#483 [07:37] <MineWonder> yea is there a way to start a fresh world? Some reason it spawned me with items
#484 [07:37] <DiskDaemon> You would need to remove the existing world file.
#485 [07:38] <bozo97> adios omegos
#486 [07:38] <DiskDaemon> So, that's your local connection to the server working. Now it's just a matter of getting the external connection working.
#487 [07:38] <bozo97> if i need more help i will be back
#488 [07:38] <DiskDaemon> MineWonder: Set up another connection from the client now, but this time to 98.240.98.189
#489 [07:39] <DiskDaemon> Does the client's multiplayer screen show details for the local connection and no details for the external connection?
#490 [07:39] <MineWonder> I set up another one but that one did nothing
#491 [07:40] <DiskDaemon> Does the client's multiplayer screen show details for the local connection and no details for the external connection?
#492 [07:40] <DiskDaemon> MineWonder: I' not asking about whether you can connect or not. I'm asking something quite different to that.
#493 [07:41] <MineWonder> no
#494 [07:41] <DiskDaemon> MineWonder: What does the clients multiplayer screen show then, for the local and the external ones?
#495 [07:43] <MineWonder> The only local Its showing is the 127 one
#496 [07:43] <DiskDaemon> Good. The external one should be on there too, right?
#497 [07:44] <MineWonder> Nope
#498 [07:44] <DiskDaemon> MineWonder: Do you need to add the multiplayer connection to the multiplayer screen before you can see it there>
#499 [07:44] <MineWonder> Most likely yea.
#500 [07:45] <DiskDaemon> Then do that please
#501 [07:45] <DiskDaemon> Okay. The way that this testing works is to have both the local and the external connections visible on the multiplayer page at the same time. That way, we can make some changes to things, and refresh the multiplayer page to check that the local is still connected, and find out whether that helps the external one to become capable of connecting to the server too.
#502 [07:45] <DiskDaemon> MineWonder: Does that make sense to you?
#503 [07:46] <MineWonder> Yea i understand it but how do i go about doing that :\
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#505 [07:47] <DiskDaemon> MineWonder: You currently have an entry in your multiplayer page for the local server, which I presume shows information about the server. Right?
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#507 [07:48] <DiskDaemon> We are now wanting to achieve something that's really simple too. To also have an entry on your multiplayer page for the external connection to the server. It doesn't have to show info about the server. But we need that entry on the multiplayer page for the external connection to the server.
#508 [07:49] <MineWonder> The only information i see on my multiplayer server is about the map. If im doing it right
#509 [07:49] <Lauris> Can driver be .dll File?
#510 [07:49] <DiskDaemon> MineWonder: I'm talking about the client's multiplayer page
#511 [07:51] <DiskDaemon> MineWonder: Do I need to show you a picture?
#512 [07:51] <MineWonder> Probably. Im not great with this stuff
#513 [07:51] <DiskDaemon> Damn. Okay - setting things up
#514 [07:55] <DiskDaemon> This is going to take forever if I have to use pictures for everything - uploading
#515 [07:56] <DiskDaemon> This picture shows what I have been attempting to get across to you via the medium of the written word http://i.imgur.com/2rNAm.png
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#518 [07:57] <CaptObvious> is the login server down?
#519 [07:57] <DiskDaemon> !isdown
#520 [07:57] <MineWonder> Yea
#521 [07:57] <GreyBot> DiskDaemon: It's just you. http://www.minecraft.net is up.
#522 [07:57] <Grim_Reaper> !login
#523 [07:57] <MineWonder> cant reach server
#524 [07:57] <CaptObvious> yeah, I can't log in either =/
#525 [07:57] <MineWonder> one of them is up but the other one isnt
#526 [07:57] <DiskDaemon> MineWonder: Are you seeing what I put together in that picture before?
#527 [07:58] <MineWonder> yea
#528 [07:58] <CaptObvious> MineWonder: so do I just keep trying and it'll pick the other one randomly?
#529 [07:58] <DiskDaemon> MineWonder: Good. We're going to come back to your client's multiplayer page to refresh it, after making some changes, to see what effect that has.
#530 [07:59] <DiskDaemon> MineWonder: Does that make sense for you?
#531 [07:59] <MineWonder> yea
#532 [07:59] <DiskDaemon> Okay. Let's see how your port forwarding is set up.
#533 [07:59] <DiskDaemon> MineWonder: What's the make and model of your router?
#534 [08:01] <MineWonder> Netgear Wireless- N 150 Router Wnr1000v2
#535 [08:02] <DiskDaemon> MineWonder: Thanks. We're going to be following the instructions for you at http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/Netgear/WNR1000v2/Minecraft_Server.htm
#536 [08:02] <DiskDaemon> MineWonder: What is the local IP address of your computer?
#537 [08:03] <DiskDaemon> Don't be afraid to speak up if you need to learn how to find it
#538 [08:03] <MineWonder> 98.240.98.189
#539 [08:03] <DiskDaemon> MineWonder: That's your external ip - not your local one
#540 [08:03] <MineWonder> oh my bad lol
#541 [08:05] <MineWonder> 192.168.1.1 believe that should be it
#542 [08:05] <DiskDaemon> That's your routers address - not your computer's local ip either.
#543 [08:06] <DiskDaemon> MineWonder: We need to find out your local ip address so that we can command the router to direct Minecraft packets to your minecraft server
#544 [08:06] <MineWonder> yea 1 sec looking it up
#545 [08:07] <MineWonder> 192.168.1.3
#546 [08:08] <DiskDaemon> Thanks. Enter that number 3 in to the page I linked to before, just under the heading called "Do not skip this step!"
#547 [08:09] <MineWonder> Alright done
#548 [08:10] <DiskDaemon> Now conenct to your router, which you already know is at http://192.168.1.1/
#549 [08:10] <MineWonder> k
#550 [08:11] <DiskDaemon> If you are using the default user/password they should be admin/password
#551 [08:11] <MineWonder> yea im signed in
#552 [08:11] <DiskDaemon> Click the Port Forwarding / Port Triggering link near the left of the page.
#553 [08:11] <MineWonder> already did
#554 [08:11] <DiskDaemon> Put a dot into the Port Forwarding radio button.
#555 [08:11] <DiskDaemon> Click the Add Custom Service button near the bottom of the page.
#556 [08:12] <DiskDaemon> MineWonder: Before you added that custom service, was there anything else there?
#557 [08:12] <MineWonder> k
#558 [08:12] <MineWonder> There seems to already be a server name created off the port 25565 do i delete that service?
#559 [08:13] <MineWonder> its running off the 192. ip
#560 [08:13] <DiskDaemon> What details does it say?
#561 [08:13] <MineWonder> Basically says start port is 25565 end port 25565 server ip 192.168.1.6 thats all it shows
#562 [08:14] <MineWonder> Service name is MineCraft Server
#563 [08:14] <DiskDaemon> Yes, delete that. We'll create it from new, just to be sure
#564 [08:14] <MineWonder> ok done
#565 [08:15] <DiskDaemon> Do you still have that web page open which I linked to before?
#566 [08:15] <MineWonder> yea
#567 [08:15] <DiskDaemon> Okay, scroll down to the "Entry #1" part
#568 [08:16] <MineWonder> alright
#569 [08:16] <DiskDaemon> Does the server ip address there show the local ip address for your computer?
#570 [08:16] <MineWonder> yea 192.168.1.3 server ip add
#571 [08:17] <DiskDaemon> Good. Follow those instructions.
#572 [08:17] <MineWonder> Service name can be anything correct?
#573 [08:17] <DiskDaemon> You can call that whatever you like
#574 [08:17] <MineWonder> ok
#575 [08:18] <MineWonder> alright i applyed
#576 [08:18] <DiskDaemon> Good. Head back to your client and refresh the multiplayer page
#577 [08:21] <MineWonder> http://i.imgur.com/kLDvK.png take a look
#578 [08:22] <DiskDaemon> That's alright. There are multiple things that need to be done.
#579 [08:22] <MineWonder> ok
#580 [08:23] <DiskDaemon> The next thing to do is to see if your firewall is preventing traffic from getting to the server.
#581 [08:23] <MineWonder> I dont have one
#582 [08:23] <DiskDaemon> Do you have Windows 7?
#583 [08:23] <MineWonder> Yea
#584 [08:23] <DiskDaemon> Windows comes with a firewall by default, that is always on
#585 [08:23] <MineWonder> But i never get any firewall problems
#586 [08:24] <MineWonder> lemme run firewall an see
#587 [08:24] <MineWonder> what am i looking for
#588 [08:24] <DiskDaemon> That is why we now temporarily disable your firewall to see if it is causing problems. If it is, we bring it back up and set it up to allow what the server needs
#589 [08:25] <MineWonder> alright turned off windows firewall
#590 [08:25] <MineWonder> both of my smp's are green bar
#591 [08:25] <DiskDaemon> MineWonder: Go to http://www.yougetsignal.com/tools/open-ports/ and you can see that port 25565 is now open
#592 [08:25] <DiskDaemon> ?check 98.240.98.189
#593 [08:25] <DiskDaemon> !?check 98.240.98.189
#594 [08:26] <DiskDaemon> !check 98.240.98.189
#595 [08:26] <DiskDaemon> MineWonder: Well done. Let's enable your firewall again now and set it up properly
#596 [08:26] <MineWonder> when i do that only one server opens
#597 [08:27] <DiskDaemon> MineWonder: That's right. Because currently the firewall is blocking that traffic. We can set it up to allow things more correctly
#598 [08:27] <MineWonder> said that the port was closed or something
#599 [08:27] <MineWonder> ok
#600 [08:28] <DiskDaemon> MineWonder: MineWonder: With the firewall enabled again it won't be able to get through to the server
#601 [08:28] <MineWonder> alright
#602 [08:28] <DiskDaemon> MineWonder: Okay, do you have the control panel page open for the firewall?
#603 [08:28] <MineWonder> yea
#604 [08:28] <DiskDaemon> On the left there will be an advanced settings for it
#605 [08:28] <MineWonder> k
#606 [08:28] <DiskDaemon> Go in to the inbound rules section, and look for and delete any for java.
#607 [08:29] <DiskDaemon> We will create them shortly with better settings
#608 [08:29] <MineWonder> had 8 but 2 didnt have checkmarks
#609 [08:29] <DiskDaemon> That's fine
#610 [08:30] <DiskDaemon> The green checked ones are blocking incoming traffic
#611 [08:30] <MineWonder> alright there deleted
#612 [08:30] <DiskDaemon> MineWonder: Now close the firewall, the server, and minecraft itself, so that java processes are no longer going
#613 [08:31] <DiskDaemon> When you start the server up again, you should get a message from the computer about wanting to set some firewall rules for it
#614 [08:32] <MineWonder> yea windows firewall has blocked some features
#615 [08:32] <MineWonder> and it ask to allow access
#616 [08:32] <DiskDaemon> Allow the access
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#618 [08:32] <MineWonder> k
#619 [08:32] <MineWonder> both servers are up
#620 [08:32] <DiskDaemon> MineWonder: Your firewall is now up still, and your multiplayer connections now work.
#621 [08:33] <MineWonder> yep
#622 [08:33] <DiskDaemon> congrats.
#623 [08:33] <MineWonder> thanks!
#624 [08:33] <DiskDaemon> you're welcome
#625 [08:33] <MineWonder> 1 last thing how do i start a fresh world?
#626 [08:33] <KingOfChaos> omg pls help: My nitradoserver has this error: "Read time out". When i start the server new, i can logging in, but then it crashs again! pls help! :(
#627 [08:33] <MineWonder> do i just go into appdata an delete that world
#628 [08:34] <DiskDaemon> No.
#629 [08:34] <DiskDaemon> MineWonder: The palce that your minecraft_server.exe file is stored - that will have a World folder that contains the multiplayer world.
#630 [08:35] <MineWonder> I see
#631 [08:35] <DiskDaemon> KingOfChaos: Please go to http://www.speedtest.net/ and share the results for us to see
#632 [08:36] <KingOfChaos> but it isnt my computer, its a nitradoserver
#633 [08:36] <DiskDaemon> KingOfChaos: You would have to contact admins over there then
#634 [08:37] <KingOfChaos> im the serveradmin
#635 [08:37] <DiskDaemon> Not of the minecraft server, but of the server hosting place itself.
#636 [08:38] <KingOfChaos> ah
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#638 [08:41] <acookie71> hello?
#639 [08:42] <acookie71> anybosdy there
#640 [08:42] <DiskDaemon> hi there
#641 [08:43] <acookie71> i am playing minecraft on a mac and Its been fine until i tried to install tropicraft. I took out all tropicraft files after that and it did not work. Can you help?
#642 [08:44] <DiskDaemon> ??> acookie71 mac/reinst
#643 [08:44] <VoxelHead> acookie71: (mac/reinst) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#644 [08:44] <VoxelHead> acookie71: (mac/reinst) To do so, in the Finder, from the Go menu, select Home. Then open Library, Application Support, and then minecraft. Drag the bin and resources folders to the trash, then try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
#645 [08:45] <acookie71> Already tried that
#646 [08:45] <acookie71> it doesn't work i even deleted the entire . minecraft folder and backed up my saves
#647 [08:45] <DiskDaemon> You would need someone who knows something about macs then
#648 [08:45] <acookie71> it says something about missing the .nn class
#649 [08:46] <acookie71> i unzipped minecraft.jar and .nn class is still there.
#650 [08:46] <DiskDaemon> You don't keep the minecraft.jar file - you delete that with all the others
#651 [08:47] <DiskDaemon> The one you get from minecraft.net contains nn.class along with lots of others. tropicraft just overwrites the existing one in there
#652 [08:47] <acookie71> on the minecraft forums people who installed tropicraft had the same problem actually one guy had the exact same system as me and his doesn't work now either
#653 [08:48] <acookie71> i can log in but it stops at the mojang screen
#654 [08:48] <MineWonder> do you get a black screen?
#655 [08:48] <acookie71> Yeah i know i have to delete minercaft.jar i did that and it doesn't work
#656 [08:49] <acookie71> not a black screen it just stops at the mojang screen and stays like that
#657 [08:49] <MineWonder> oh
#658 [08:49] <DiskDaemon> acookie71: What does the crash report show for that? http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Crash#Mac_OSX
#659 [08:49] <acookie71> i think its related to tropicraft, mod loader and minercaft forge
#660 [08:50] <acookie71> crash report?
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#662 [08:50] <DiskDaemon> acookie71: Yes, when it stops at the mojang screen
#663 [08:50] <acookie71> it just stays there
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#666 [08:53] <acookie71> when i checked console it says caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: nn
#667 [08:53] <acookie71> it also sayd
#668 [08:54] <acookie71> it also says Exception in thread "MInercaft main thread" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: nn
#669 [08:54] <DiskDaemon> ??> acookie71 pastebin
#670 [08:54] <VoxelHead> acookie71: (pastebin) Pastebin is a service run at http://www.pastebin.com/ which facilitates the sharing of information without flooding IRC channels. Paste your text there, click 'Submit', and give us the URL the site takes you to, and we can see what you have pasted.
#671 [08:54] <DiskDaemon> Put it all there
#672 [08:55] <acookie71> everything i typed here?
#673 [08:56] <|Anthony|> !check mcecorpg.servegame.com
#674 [08:56] <DiskDaemon> acookie71: The full error report
#675 [08:56] <|Anthony|> !check mcrpg.servegame.com
#676 [08:56] <acookie71> ok will do thank you for your help
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#679 [09:00] <americanwhite52> im tryign to connect a second computer to my server exccept it can find it everything is on and working
#680 [09:00] <americanwhite52> *cant
#681 [09:00] <DiskDaemon> americanwhite52: Are you on the same local network?
#682 [09:00] <americanwhite52> ya
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#684 [09:00] <DiskDaemon> Then use the local ip address of the server
#685 [09:00] <americanwhite52> i tried but it didnt work
#686 [09:00] <americanwhite52> itsthe same accoutn on both
#687 [09:01] <DiskDaemon> americanwhite52: What is the local ip address of where you have your minecraft server?
#688 [09:01] <DiskDaemon> americanwhite52: What do you mean, "same account"?
#689 [09:01] <americanwhite52> 192.168.0.24
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#691 [09:01] <americanwhite52> im using one account on the second computer and i can use that same account on that computer
#692 [09:01] <americanwhite52> on the other computer i mean and it works
#693 [09:02] <DiskDaemon> americanwhite52: That's why it's failing. Servers cannot have two people with the same name in them
#694 [09:02] <americanwhite52> but im on line only on one computer
#695 [09:02] <americanwhite52> which is the one not wroking
#696 [09:02] <DiskDaemon> Servers still cannot have two people with the same name in them
#697 [09:02] <americanwhite52> i want to get on my server from another computer
#698 [09:03] <DiskDaemon> americanwhite52: Get a second account, and then try again.
#699 [09:03] <americanwhite52> ok ill try
#700 [09:03] <americanwhite52> ty
#701 [09:08] <MineWonder> It would be awesome if toomany items worked with 12w27a because then i could finish clearing out my 100x100 sphere :\
#702 [09:08] <Grim_Reaper> http://www.ustream.tv/channel-popup/sevenkittens <3333333333
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#705 [09:16] <Thor> Why don't I have version 1.3????
#706 [09:16] <DiskDaemon> It's not out yet. That's why.
#707 [09:16] <Thor> Do u no when it will be out?
#708 [09:16] <DiskDaemon> Give it a month - it'll be out by then.
#709 [09:17] <Thor> Thank you very much!!
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#711 [10:03] <MineWonder> Disk
#712 [10:04] <DiskDaemon> hi
#713 [10:04] <MineWonder> Does it madder which server i use to play SMP
#714 [10:05] <DiskDaemon> What are you worried about them?
#715 [10:05] <MineWonder> Just wondering because i was gonna let someone connect to my smp but didnt know which adress to give
#716 [10:06] <MineWonder> i got the 98. and the 127.
#717 [10:06] <DiskDaemon> If they're in your local network, it's better for them to connect to your local address
#718 [10:06] <DiskDaemon> If they're not in your local network, they'll have to use you external ip address
#719 [10:06] <MineWonder> alright
#720 [10:07] <DiskDaemon> The 127.0.0.1 is just for testing, which is a loopback that connects to the same computer you are on.
#721 [10:07] <DiskDaemon> Your local ip address is 192.168.1.3
#722 [10:09] <MineWonder> gotcha, Thanks.
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#725 [10:19] <MineWonder> I hate snow biomes :\
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#730 [10:46] <americanwhite52> Im trying to connect a second account to a server i created but it keeps losing the connectino what do i do\
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#732 [10:47] <GreyVulpine> With the same account?
#733 [10:48] <americanwhite52> its 2 diffrent accounts
#734 [10:48] <GreyVulpine> And what message do you get when you try to connect with the 2nd account?
#735 [10:49] <americanwhite52> cant reach server
#736 [10:49] <americanwhite52> i have the server open on one computer and im tryign to acces it on another but it sas cant reach server
#737 [10:50] <GreyVulpine> And what ip address are you using to connect to it?
#738 [10:51] <americanwhite52> im using the ipv4 address
#739 [10:51] <GreyVulpine> Is this within the same LAN?
#740 [10:51] <americanwhite52> yes
#741 [10:52] <americanwhite52> i also tried my external and that didnt work
#742 [10:52] <GreyVulpine> Does the server have any sort of firewall or security software that may be blocking the connection?
#743 [10:52] <americanwhite52> how would i see if it does
#744 [10:53] <americanwhite52> im think it doesnt
#745 [10:53] <GreyVulpine> Check what programs you have installed
#746 [10:53] <americanwhite52> no
#747 [10:53] <americanwhite52> its not that secure XD
#748 [10:53] <GreyVulpine> Then either you're putting in the wrong IP, or you've got something blocking the connection to the server
#749 [10:54] <americanwhite52> ok so i made the server and its created how would one join a server
#750 [10:55] <GreyVulpine> By using the IP address of the server. The LAN address if you're on the LAN, the WAN address, if you're connecting from outside
#751 [10:55] <americanwhite52> whats the WAN
#752 [10:55] <GreyVulpine> Your public ip address
#753 [10:55] <americanwhite52> how do you get it is that your external ip address
#754 [10:56] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#755 [10:56] <americanwhite52> ok
#756 [10:56] <americanwhite52> thnx
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#759 [11:10] <MineWonder> Why cant people connect to my smp
#760 [11:12] <DiskDaemon> !check 98.240.98.189
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#762 [11:12] <MineWonder> She keeps getting failed to connect to server
#763 [11:13] <DiskDaemon> MineWonder: Would you mind changing the MOTD in your server.properties, and restart your server, so that we can be sure that your server is responding properly?
#764 [11:13] <MineWonder> oh
#765 [11:13] <MineWonder> done
#766 [11:13] <DiskDaemon> !check 98.240.98.189
#767 [11:13] <DiskDaemon> Did you restart your server?
#768 [11:14] <MineWonder> Just did
#769 [11:14] <DiskDaemon> !check 98.240.98.189
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#771 [11:14] <DiskDaemon> !check 98.240.98.189
#772 [11:14] <DiskDaemon> MineWonder: Did you save the server.properties file after making the change?
#773 [11:15] <MineWonder> yea i saved
#774 [11:15] <DiskDaemon> What did you change the MOTD to?
#775 [11:16] <MineWonder> I basicially just said no griefing or you'll be kicked.
#776 [11:16] <MineWonder> i changed everything back to default
#777 [11:16] <DiskDaemon> MineWonder: Please for testing, change it to a different message so that we can see on here the result
#778 [11:17] <MineWonder> Ill just leave it as A Minecraft Server
#779 [11:17] <DiskDaemon> MineWonder: How then are we to know that the server being checked is the one that you are controlling?
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#781 [11:18] <MineWonder> alright changed it
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#783 [11:18] <DiskDaemon> !check 98.240.98.189
#784 [11:18] <DiskDaemon> Yeah that is changed alright. Is it running?
#785 [11:18] <koolfornoobs> hello
#786 [11:18] <DiskDaemon> hi there
#787 [11:18] <koolfornoobs> hi
#788 [11:19] <MineWonder> Yea its been running fine for me but the other person couldnt connect
#789 [11:19] <koolfornoobs> my minecraft is really
#790 [11:19] <koolfornoobs> slow
#791 [11:19] <MineWonder> lemme see if its still up
#792 [11:19] <koolfornoobs> all the time
#793 [11:19] <DiskDaemon> !check 98.240.98.189
#794 [11:19] <MineWonder> yea both are up
#795 [11:19] <DiskDaemon> Good one.
#796 [11:19] <koolfornoobs> hey can somebody help me
#797 [11:19] <DiskDaemon> koolfornoobs: We can try
#798 [11:19] <koolfornoobs> ok
#799 [11:20] <DiskDaemon> MineWonder: Please go to http://www.speedtest.net/ and share your results so that we can see what they are
#800 [11:20] <koolfornoobs> my minecraft is really slow it gets stuck all the time
#801 [11:20] <koolfornoobs> i can't even play
#802 [11:20] <DiskDaemon> koolfornoobs: It's slow on slow computers, sorry.
#803 [11:21] <koolfornoobs> but i have a new computer i just got it last month
#804 [11:21] <Necrodoom> koolfornoobs: press F3, how much FPS it says?
#805 [11:21] <DiskDaemon> ??> koolfornoobs win/dxdiag
#806 [11:21] <VoxelHead> koolfornoobs: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#807 [11:21] <VoxelHead> koolfornoobs: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
#808 [11:22] <koolfornoobs> i can't even dowload mods
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#810 [11:22] <MineWonder> Ping was 32 ms
#811 [11:22] <koolfornoobs> da this suck screw u people
#812 [11:22] <DiskDaemon> MineWonder: There's other info there that we need to see for further diagnosis. Please provide us the link to your shared results
#813 [11:23] <MineWonder> download speed was 4.62 mbps & upload speed was 3.81 mbps
#814 [11:23] <DiskDaemon> MineWonder: How much ram does your computer have?
#815 [11:23] <MineWonder> Lemme check
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#817 [11:25] <MineWonder> 4.00 GB
#818 [11:25] <DiskDaemon> The website at http://canihostaminecraftserver.com/ says that you should be able to host a server with as many as 12 players, going by those numbers
#819 [11:25] <MineWonder> Yea ive hosted a server before threw hamachi but idk why it wont now
#820 [11:26] <MineWonder> I usually have good connection
#821 [11:26] <DiskDaemon> MineWonder: Have a good read through http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Tutorials/Setting_up_a_server in case there's anything that you spot that may eb relevant to your situation
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#827 [11:30] <DiskDaemon> MineWonder: What is the ping time that your friend's client is showing for you?
#828 [11:30] <DiskDaemon> Oh hang on, you can't see a ping time from the client
#829 [11:30] <MineWonder> 218.212.4.142:59372 lost connection is all it showed
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#832 [11:31] <DiskDaemon> MineWonder: Well good luck with that. I have to head off now
#833 [11:32] <MineWonder> alright cya
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#839 [11:38] <twixkirby85> help every time i try to launch mine craft this comes up error: Could not create the Java Virtual Machine.
#840 [11:39] <twixkirby85> error: a fatal exception has occurred.program will exit
#841 [11:39] <twixkirby85> please help
#842 [11:42] <Calinou> twixkirby85, classic or full game?
#843 [11:42] <Calinou> classic does not work with java 7
#844 [11:42] <Guest4829> classic
#845 [11:43] <Guest4829> how do i know witch java i have and how do i change it
#846 [11:43] <twixkirby85> its the full
#847 [11:43] <Guest4829> well?
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#849 [11:44] <Guest4829> how do i know my java type?
#850 [11:44] <Guest4829> classic won't runn
#851 [11:45] <twixkirby85> its the full game
#852 [11:45] <Guest4829> classic the outdated one mincraft
#853 [11:46] <Guest4829> not the purchased one
#854 [11:46] <MineWonder> Can somebody try to connect to 98.240.98.189 an see if it works for anybody
#855 [11:47] <geraldbrent> .check
#856 [11:47] <geraldbrent> Forgot the command.
#857 [11:47] <geraldbrent> :|
#858 [11:47] <superkabii> !check MineWonder
#859 [11:47] <twixkirby85> calinou its the full game
#860 [11:47] <Guest4829> mine craft classic will not work on my 2010 mac help me
#861 [11:47] <superkabii> err
#862 [11:47] <Guest4829> mine craft classic will not work on my 2010 mac help me
#863 [11:47] <geraldbrent> !check 98.240.98.189
#864 [11:48] <geraldbrent> There you go MineWonder.
#865 [11:48] <superkabii> WugBot's the one that accepts usernames..
#866 [11:48] <Calinou> Guest4829, we do not support classic, see the topic
#867 [11:48] <Guest4829> j
#868 [11:48] <MineWonder> So it must be there connection and not mine
#869 [11:48] <Calinou> (or at least, support for it is low priority)
#870 [11:48] <geraldbrent> Right.
#871 [11:48] <Calinou> twixkirby85, if you're using AVG, disable the "link scanner" module
#872 [11:48] <Guest4829> sorry witch forum does
#873 [11:49] <twixkirby85> i dont know what avg is
#874 [11:49] <Guest4829> witch forum supports classic help???
#875 [11:49] <Guest4829> witch forum supports classic help???
#876 [11:50] <Guest4829> sd
#877 [11:50] <Guest4829> :(:(:(:(
#878 [11:51] <MineWonder> If someone that doesnt have my version of minecraft trys to connect to me would that cause them not to be able to join smp. maybe thats the reason she cant join me.
#879 [11:52] <geraldbrent> MineWonder, latest version?
#880 [11:52] <geraldbrent> Or a prerelease?
#881 [11:52] <MineWonder> 12w27a
#882 [11:52] <MineWonder> Its the newest one
#883 [11:53] <MineWonder> thats the only thing i can think of to why she cant connect to my smp but i can
#884 [11:53] <twixkirby85> calinou i dont know what avg is
#885 [11:53] <GreyVulpine> That would be why
#886 [11:54] <GreyVulpine> twixkirby85 - AVG is an antivirus program
#887 [11:54] <twixkirby85> i dont think i have it
#888 [11:54] <GreyVulpine> It's very commonly known around here that AVG blocks minecraft from downloading files correctly, flagging lwjgl as a false positive
#889 [11:55] <twixkirby85> calinou what if im not using avg
#890 [11:55] <GreyVulpine> Then Java's corrupt, uninstall and reinstall it
#891 [11:56] * DiskDaemon rolls over in bed
#891 [11:56] <DiskDaemon> twixkirby85: It can be other antivirus programs that cause an update issue with Minecraft too, such as mcafee
#892 [11:56] <GreyVulpine> <twixkirby85> help every time i try to launch mine craft this comes up error: Could not create the Java Virtual Machine.
#893 [11:56] * GreyVulpine had to scroll up
#893 [11:57] <DiskDaemon> That Java Virtual Machine means that you quite likely don't have Java installed
#894 [11:57] <twixkirby85> im pretty sure i have java installed
#895 [11:58] <DiskDaemon> What version do you see at http://www.java.com/en/download/installed.jsp
#896 [11:59] <twixkirby85> it is version 7 update 5
#897 [11:59] <DiskDaemon> That's all I've got. g'night
#898 [11:59] <GreyVulpine> Night DiskDaemon.
#899 [11:59] <GreyVulpine> twixkirby85 - Uninstall java completely, reinstall it from java.com
#900 [12:00] * DiskDaemon winds down by checking logs
#900 [12:00] <twixkirby85> how do i uninstall java
#901 [12:00] <GreyVulpine> twixkirby85 - What operating system are you on?
#902 [12:01] <twixkirby85> windows 7
#903 [12:01] <GreyVulpine> twixkirby85 - Go to your start menu, head to control panel. Look for Programs and Features. Look for Java in that list. Uninstall it
#904 [12:02] <twixkirby85> i am not seeing programs and features in my control panel
#905 [12:03] <twixkirby85> no wait i found it in add or remove programs
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#908 [12:16] <DiskDaemon> MineWonder: I can help to answer that question from before
#909 [12:16] <MineWonder> That would be great
#910 [12:18] <DiskDaemon> The 12w27a one and others like it are snapshots of the upcoming 1.3 release. Such snapshots are test versions for the purpose of testing and feedback. They are not for the general public to be using. Virtually everyone is using version 1.2.5, which is the correct version to use. When the nest release comes out, version 1.3, everybody's client will update themselves to that new release.
#911 [12:19] <MineWonder> So even if she got the snapshot it still wouldnt work?
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#913 [12:20] <MineWonder> I dont really wanna have to go back to 1.2.5 just to play SMP
#914 [12:20] <DiskDaemon> It might, but there's no guarantee that the snapshot versions fully work, or are ready for being used as your main verison to play minecraft
#915 [12:20] <DiskDaemon> You can have multiple versions on th same computer without much trouble
#916 [12:21] <DiskDaemon> programs such as magic launcher let you easily set up different versions of minecraft on the same account.
#917 [12:21] <MineWonder> oh
#918 [12:22] <twixkirby85> where do i reinstall java
#919 [12:22] <MineWonder> Never heard of it
#920 [12:22] <DiskDaemon> MineWonder: The thing is - if you want your other person to join you in your server, you will both need to be using the same version of Minecraft
#921 [12:22] <DiskDaemon> There are other launchers too, such as sk's launcher, and a whle host of others
#922 [12:23] <MineWonder> yea im gonna try an see if getting the snapshot for her to see if it works if not then i will look into the magic launcher so i can keep the snapshot
#923 [12:24] <DiskDaemon> MineWonder: Be careful with her. You don't want the snapshot you tell her to install, to end up causing potential trouble on her own maps
#924 [12:24] <MineWonder> Yea i understand
#925 [12:24] <DiskDaemon> If she uses any mods for example, such mods aren't available for the snapshots
#926 [12:25] <MineWonder> Shes quiet new to minecraft so i highly doubt it
#927 [12:25] <MineWonder> I think im just gonna run 1.2.5 with her
#928 [12:25] <MineWonder> gonna look into the magic launcher though an see if i can figure it out
#929 [12:25] <DiskDaemon> That is the safer and mor reliable path
#930 [12:26] <DiskDaemon> As my typing is becoming less reliable though from this bed, I'll wish you well
#931 [12:27] <DiskDaemon> twixkirby85: What OS & bit type are you running?
#932 [12:27] <twixkirby85> i dont know
#933 [12:27] <DiskDaemon> twixkirby85: Download from http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre7-downloads-1637588.html
#934 [12:28] <DiskDaemon> Press Win+Pause for the system info
#935 [12:29] <twixkirby85> Win+Pause?
#936 [12:29] <DiskDaemon> ?? win/key
#937 [12:29] <VoxelHead> win/key: Hold down the Windows key (between Control and Alt, usually to the left of the space bar), and then press the other specified key. Think of it as typing a capital letter, but using that key instead of Shift.
#938 [12:30] <twixkirby85> where is the pause key
#939 [12:30] <DiskDaemon> Along the top row, near the right
#940 [12:31] <DiskDaemon> twixkirby85: Are you using a normal keyboard, or a laptop?
#941 [12:31] <twixkirby85> normal
#942 [12:32] <DiskDaemon> twixkirby85: Look, it's 4:30 am for me here. Just get the Windows x64 version from http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre7-downloads-1637588.html and if that doesn't work for you, use the Windows x86 one isntead
#943 [12:32] <DiskDaemon> Good night
#944 [12:32] <twixkirby85> night
#945 [12:33] <twixkirby85> thx for the help
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#948 [12:39] * GreyVulpine waves to Marc_IRL
#948 [12:39] <Marc_IRL> yeeess?
#949 [12:40] <GreyVulpine> Marc, question for you, account information. What can you guys change? If a user puts in a wrong username, can they contact you for that?
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#951 [12:43] <Marc_IRL> No, I cannot change usernames
#952 [12:43] <GreyVulpine> Ah, ouch. Okay.
#953 [12:43] <Marc_IRL> Just like most other services, you need to pick the right username when you sign up, because you'll be using indefinitely
#954 [12:43] <GreyVulpine> How about transferring premium status if they purchased it under a different account, or would it still be better to ask for a refund from their bank and purchase it under the other account?
#955 [12:44] <Marc_IRL> Asking for a refund through their bank is usually a way of saying, "This seller didn't deliver the goods that I purchased, and is not trustworthy."
#956 [12:44] <Marc_IRL> And if they do it from Moneybookers, I get an email, and then I email Moneybookers back with proof that we did give them a premium account, and they stop the refund process.
#957 [12:44] <GreyVulpine> Oof, okay. What would be the preferred way to do that then?
#958 [12:45] <Marc_IRL> Preferred way to get a refund, or a username change?
#959 [12:45] <Necrodoom> wait, so if someone cant run minecraft and wants a refund, he cant get one?
#960 [12:45] <ShaRose> transfer premiuim
#961 [12:45] <GreyVulpine> Transfer premium
#962 [12:45] <ShaRose> Necrodoom there are minimum specs
#963 [12:45] <VoxelHead> Yes... wait a minute... no.
#964 [12:45] <GreyVulpine> VoxelHead, shut up
#965 [12:45] * VoxelHead stamps foot
#965 [12:45] <VoxelHead> *sulk*
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#967 [12:46] <Marc_IRL> We don't transfer premium status. I technically have the ability to give and remove premium status, but if I advertised that, we'd get thousands of emails asking for us to do that. Most of those emails would not contain the transaction ID for the account that they do own, and they wouldn't have proof that they owned the non-premium acount.
#968 [12:46] <Marc_IRL> We do not typically give refunds if someone can't run the game. Other digital download sites don't.
#969 [12:46] <ShaRose> yeah
#970 [12:46] <Marc_IRL> http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/359338-can-i-get-a-refund-
#971 [12:46] <GreyVulpine> Gotcha. Thanks Marc.
#972 [12:46] <ShaRose> it's like if you bought a copy of skyrim and you had an intel integrated laptop
#973 [12:46] <ShaRose> you aren't getting your money back because you are stupid
#974 [12:47] <ShaRose> refunds cost mojang money
#975 [12:47] <twixkirby85> help when i try to open mine craft this comes up error: could not create the java virtual machine. error: A fatal exception has occurred. program will exit
#976 [12:47] <Necrodoom> though MC is quite heavier than expected, at times
#977 [12:47] <Marc_IRL> You should SEE some of the systems that people are running Minecraft on. We have some basic data, and some of those systems are ooooold.
#978 [12:47] <MineWonder> sweet bout time i fix my issue.
#979 [12:47] <GreyVulpine> Marc_IRL - We do too.. it's horrid.
#980 [12:47] <Eddie> You are responsible for doing your own research before purchasing.
#981 [12:47] <Marc_IRL> ShaRose: You are the first person that I've seen understand that. Yes, refunds cost us time and money.
#982 [12:47] <GreyVulpine> twixkirby85 - Have you reinstalled java?
#983 [12:47] <ShaRose> Marc_IRL tommorow or something grum should have the new stats all set up so we can see more accurate info on the kinds of machines people are running on
#984 [12:47] <twixkirby85> ya
#985 [12:48] <GreyVulpine> twixkirby85 - Which version of java did you reinstall with?
#986 [12:48] <ShaRose> apparently it was like... 7 gigs compressed?
#987 [12:48] <Marc_IRL> Yeah, I was reading some of his preliminary data
#988 [12:48] <twixkirby85> version 7
#989 [12:48] <ShaRose> hmm, I saw some of it too
#990 [12:48] <GreyVulpine> twixkirby85 - 32 or 64 bit?
#991 [12:48] <twixkirby85> 32 i think
#992 [12:49] <GreyVulpine> So you downloaded the Windows x86 installer?
#993 [12:49] <Marc_IRL> Btw, I am generally willing to accommodate a premium status transfer if a parent requests it, due to their child using their real name. That happens every so often.
#994 [12:49] <twixkirby85> ya
#995 [12:49] <GreyVulpine> Did you remove all prior versions of java before doing so?
#996 [12:49] <twixkirby85> ya
#997 [12:49] <GreyVulpine> Marc_IRL - Yeah, the reason I asked, was because of that very reason a couple days ago
#998 [12:49] <ShaRose> wait, why would the kid get it under the real name
#999 [12:49] <GreyVulpine> They thought account name != display name
#1000 [12:49] <twixkirby85> oh
#1001 [12:49] <ShaRose> surely the parents would have to approve the purchase
#1002 [12:49] <Marc_IRL> Because they're 8 and didn't think it through
#1003 [12:49] <Marc_IRL> LOL. No.
#1004 [12:50] <twixkirby85> oh
#1005 [12:50] <ShaRose> why kind of idiot gives an 8 year old credit card details
#1006 [12:50] <ShaRose> I mean really
#1007 [12:50] <Marc_IRL> I frequently get emails where the parent wants a refund because their kid purchased the game.
#1008 [12:50] <ShaRose> stupid parents
#1009 [12:50] <Marc_IRL> Maybe seen like 200-300 of those so far.
#1010 [12:50] <ShaRose> tbh
#1011 [12:50] <twixkirby85> so what should i do now greyvulpine
#1012 [12:50] <ShaRose> not surprising, but I have no sympathy for them
#1013 [12:50] <Marc_IRL> They probably just leave their Paypal logged in on their computer or whatever
#1014 [12:51] <ShaRose> paypal logs out after like 5-10 minutes of inactivity afaik
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#1016 [12:51] <ShaRose> even then, no excuse
#1017 [12:51] <GreyVulpine> Shadow|Bed - http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/118475-Dad-Blames-Microsoft-for-Sons-Xbox-Live-Spending-Spree
#1018 [12:51] <GreyVulpine> er, crap, ShaRose
#1019 [12:51] <ShaRose> he's used to it
#1020 [12:51] <GreyVulpine> twixkirby85 - uninstall java completely before reinstalling
#1021 [12:51] <twixkirby85> ive all ready did that
#1022 [12:52] <GreyVulpine> twixkirby85 - Could you please do this: http://pastebin.com/1knuj6Zh
#1023 [12:52] <ShaRose> GreyVulpine I agree with MS, the dad should have done more research into it
#1024 [12:53] <GreyVulpine> When minecraft attempts to launch, there'll be a black command prompt that opens up. Please copy everything in that to pastebin.com and give us the URL
#1025 [12:53] <ShaRose> and why the hell WOULD you let a 12 year old play call of duty. I mean, he can't even use the he was mature argument because the kid didn't realize that yes in fact things cost money
#1026 [12:53] <GreyVulpine> ShaRose - Yeah..
#1027 [12:54] <ssteele> umm, when i hit the run applacation button when playing in browser i hit run and the screen goes white,ive tried reseting but it still doesnt work...i cant download it at the moment but i really want to play,what do i do ?
#1028 [12:55] <GreyVulpine> ssteele - Did you attempt to install any mods?
#1029 [12:55] <Eddie> Why would you let a 12-year-old use your money?
#1030 [12:55] <Eddie> And then blame Microsoft for the spending?
#1031 [12:55] <ssteele> no..
#1032 [12:55] <GreyVulpine> ssteele - Has minecraft worked ebfore?
#1033 [12:55] <GreyVulpine> er, before*
#1034 [12:55] <ssteele> not on my new macbook pro
#1035 [12:56] <GreyVulpine> ssteele - Is this on classic or premium?
#1036 [12:56] <ssteele> classic
#1037 [12:56] <GreyVulpine> classic has never worked on macs for the past couple years now
#1038 [12:56] <GreyVulpine> There's no real fix, sorry.
#1039 [12:56] <ssteele> it might be premuim ? idk the differnce.
#1040 [12:57] <Marc_IRL> Premium = you've paid for the game
#1041 [12:57] <ssteele> yes.
#1042 [12:57] <twixkirby85> greyvulpine the .bat program will not stay open
#1043 [12:57] <ssteele> i have payed for it.
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#1045 [12:59] <ssteele> marc,is there any way to fix it ?
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#1047 [13:00] <skyboy> twixkirby85: add "pause" to a new line at the bottom of the file
#1048 [13:02] <twixkirby85> skyboy it still wont work
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#1051 [13:06] <Marc_IRL> Btw, did you guys see the new server status indicators at help.mojang.com
#1052 [13:06] <MineWonder> does magic launcher stop you from using smp commands
#1053 [13:06] <ShaRose> yes
#1054 [13:06] <Marc_IRL> Elystus: I'm sure that will be of interest to you :p
#1055 [13:06] <Elystus> Marc_IRL: Already saw it! :D
#1056 [13:06] <ShaRose> I saw it a few minutes after dinner finished
#1057 [13:06] <Elystus> I woke up, when on twitter and saw his tweet.
#1058 [13:06] <Elystus> went*
#1059 [13:07] <twixkirby85> skyboy it still didnt work
#1060 [13:07] <skyboy> twixkirby85: adding pause would work, there isn't much i can do if you typed it incorrectly
#1061 [13:07] <twixkirby85> i didnt
#1062 [13:07] <Elystus> skyboy, what is going on?
#1063 [13:08] <VoxelHead> the fact that qs needed vahkiti i think
#1064 [13:08] <twixkirby85> idk
#1065 [13:08] <skyboy> Marc_IRL: like me wanting to get minecraft running on a 10 year old single core system? :P
#1066 [13:08] <skyboy> Elystus: i don't know, i just woke up. i can only barely focus enough to read chat
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#1068 [13:08] <Calinou> MineWonder, no ;-;
#1069 [13:08] <Calinou> magic launcher doesn't touch the client .jar only the launcher
#1070 [13:09] <VoxelHead> Bye mib_lzofck.
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#1073 [13:11] <MineWonder> Unknown console command. Type "help" for help.
#1074 [13:11] <MineWonder> i type that when i try to do a command
#1075 [13:12] <MineWonder> Its not even letting me type help.
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#1077 [13:12] <GreyVulpine> Using some sort of permission plugin that's blocking help?
#1078 [13:13] <MineWonder> I dont think so
#1079 [13:13] <MineWonder> Only running magic launcher so that i can keep 12w27a
#1080 [13:13] <GreyVulpine> Is this server vanilla or modded?
#1081 [13:13] <GreyVulpine> Are you running the snapshot version of the server?
#1082 [13:13] <MineWonder> I would guess that magic launcher is a mod i dont know
#1083 [13:14] <GreyVulpine> Magic launcher is a modded client, yes.
#1084 [13:14] <FaZeFaytal> I Decided To Try minecraft for the first time and i tried minecraft classic and i kept getting this error.Java Plug-in 10.5.1.255 Using JRE version 1.7.0_05-b06 Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM User home directory-------------------------------- c: clear console window f: finalize objects on finalization queue g: garbage collect h: display this help message l: dump classloader list m: print memory usage o: trigge
#1085 [13:14] <GreyVulpine> Please use pastebin.com to paste large amount of text
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#1087 [13:14] <GreyVulpine> Don't do it here, it floods the channel
#1088 [13:14] <FaZeFaytal> Java Plug-in 10.5.1.255 Using JRE version 1.7.0_05-b06 Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM User home directory = C:\Users\Alex ---------------------------------------------------- c: clear console window f: finalize objects on finalization queue g: garbage collect h: display this help message l: dump classloader list m: print memory usage o: trigger logging q: hide console r: reload policy configuration s: dum
#1089 [13:15] <Elystus> ??> FaZeFaytal pastebin
#1090 [13:15] <GreyVulpine> Again, stop trying to paste it here
#1091 [13:15] <VoxelHead> FaZeFaytal: (pastebin) Pastebin is a service run at http://www.pastebin.com/ which facilitates the sharing of information without flooding IRC channels. Paste your text there, click 'Submit', and give us the URL the site takes you to, and we can see what you have pasted.
#1092 [13:15] <MineWonder> So im guessing im gonna have to run 1.2.5 on the actual minecraft client an 12w27 on magic launcher
#1093 [13:15] <FaZeFaytal> http://pastebin.com/Es3TnP5d
#1094 [13:16] <GreyVulpine> That console output doesn't say anything FaZeFaytal. What happens exactly?
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#1096 [13:16] <FaZeFaytal> So It Gives Me A Black Screen And Says Error In Red At The Top Corner
#1097 [13:17] <skyboy> are you on a mac?
#1098 [13:17] <FaZeFaytal> No On Windows PC
#1099 [13:18] <skyboy> ah, java 1,7 that doesn't work with classic
#1100 [13:18] <FaZeFaytal> Does Anyone Have Skype So I Can Show You
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#1102 [13:18] <st0ra5> hallo
#1103 [13:18] <skyboy> classic does not work with java1.7
#1104 [13:18] <st0ra5> is there admins in here?
#1105 [13:18] <skyboy> if you want to play classic you have to install 1.6 and uninstall 1.7
#1106 [13:19] <skyboy> what do you need help with, st0ra5
#1107 [13:19] <Elystus> FaZeFaytal: As skyboy said, java 7 will not work with classic, uninstall java 7 and install java 6.
#1108 [13:19] <skyboy> ??>> FaZeFaytal java/jre6u29
#1109 [13:19] <st0ra5> i purchased the game and now i didint get it ... i have print screen...
#1110 [13:19] <st0ra5> please help
#1111 [13:19] <st0ra5> i purchased an hour ago
#1112 [13:19] <GreyVulpine> st0ra5 - What is your username?
#1113 [13:19] <st0ra5> st0ra5
#1114 [13:19] <GreyVulpine> !paid st0ra5
#1115 [13:19] <st0ra5> ?
#1116 [13:19] <GreyVulpine> Check with your bank, make sure payment was made on their wne
#1117 [13:20] <skyboy> your transaction is still being processed
#1118 [13:20] <GreyVulpine> er, end.
#1119 [13:20] <skyboy> it can take up to 48 hours
#1120 [13:20] <st0ra5> :O
#1121 [13:20] <st0ra5> that many?
#1122 [13:20] <VoxelHead> Sufferin' succatash!
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#1124 [13:20] <xales> VoxelHead: I couldn't have put it any better myself!
#1125 [13:20] <GreyVulpine> st0ra5 - http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/329519-when-will-i-receive-my-premium-status-
#1126 [13:20] <skyboy> most transactions take fewer than 5 hours, but there could be issues that delay it
#1127 [13:21] <GreyVulpine> DopeGhoti - Could you turn off vox's bmotion?
#1128 [13:21] <st0ra5> if i wont get in 48 hours then what?
#1129 [13:21] <GreyVulpine> st0ra5 - Usually that means your bank denied the transfer for some reason. Call their customer support.
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#1131 [13:21] <st0ra5> my cash was taken :)
#1132 [13:22] <GreyVulpine> st0ra5 - Then it may just be a simple matter of the transaction still being processed. Be patient
#1133 [13:22] <Elystus> st0ra5: Are you sure that money was taken out of your bank account?
#1134 [13:22] <skyboy> then you need to wait for mojang to process the data, or be notified your money was taken
#1135 [13:22] <skyboy> it can take up to an hour more yet
#1136 [13:22] <Elystus> Also, it could just be the transaction taking a while to complete.
#1137 [13:22] <st0ra5> Purchase Complete!
#1138 [13:22] <st0ra5> Thank you for purchasing Minecraft! Your status should update within the hour.
#1139 [13:22] <GreyVulpine> st0ra5 - Doesn't mean the payment was successful
#1140 [13:22] <skyboy> that is no confirmation that your money was taken
#1141 [13:23] <st0ra5> i payd with paypal
#1142 [13:23] <GreyVulpine> st0ra5 - Call up your bank, make sure there's a record of a transaction taking place.
#1143 [13:23] <GreyVulpine> st0ra5 - Have you gotten a confirmation email from paypal?
#1144 [13:23] <st0ra5> yes
#1145 [13:23] <st0ra5> succesfull
#1146 [13:24] <st0ra5> paypemt
#1147 [13:24] <st0ra5> payment
#1148 [13:24] <skyboy> just be patient
#1149 [13:24] <st0ra5> ok then
#1150 [13:24] <st0ra5> ty for info
#1151 [13:24] <st0ra5> bye
#1152 [13:24] <skyboy> things take time to process, particularly when money is involved
#1153 [13:24] <skyboy> things take time to process, particularly when money is involved
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#1156 [13:26] <FaZeFaytal> Anyone Have Skype
#1157 [13:26] <Marc_IRL> That article needed a bit of an update. Fixed!
#1158 [13:27] <skyboy> FaZeFaytal: minecraft classic is not compatible with java 1.7
#1159 [13:27] <skyboy> you must uninstall java 1.7 and install java 1.6
#1160 [13:28] <VoxelHead> Master?
#1161 [13:29] <Elystus> Marc: that was a good addition.
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#1163 [13:29] <FaZeFaytal> I Did Install Java 1.6
#1164 [13:29] <FaZeFaytal> SkyBoy
#1165 [13:30] <skyboy> did you uninstall java 1.7 first?
#1166 [13:30] <FaZeFaytal> yes
#1167 [13:30] <skyboy> is minecraft classic still giving an error, after you reload the page?
#1168 [13:31] <FaZeFaytal> Man Do You Have A Skype I need To Show Screen To Explain More
#1169 [13:31] <GreyVulpine> Take a screenshot, upload it to imgur.com and give us the URL
#1170 [13:31] <FaZeFaytal> I Need Help Uninstalling
#1171 [13:31] <FaZeFaytal> SkyBoy
#1172 [13:31] <skyboy> ...
#1173 [13:32] <skyboy> do NOT say yes to a question when you have not done what the question asked
#1174 [13:33] <Elystus> FaZeFaytal: To uninstall java 7 you will need to open control panel and go to uninstall a program. Then uninstall all programs named java.
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#1179 [13:46] <Antdog319> Can someone help me? I just bought Minecraft and when I try to play it on my laptop it either gets stuck at the update download, or at done loading if I say no to the update.... Please help!!
#1180 [13:46] <Calinou_> Antdog319, are you using AVG? if so disable the "link scanner" module
#1181 [13:47] <Calinou_> then go in the launcher options and click "force update" and log in
#1182 [13:47] <Antdog319> ok, how do I disable the link scanner?
#1183 [13:48] <GreyVulpine> Go into AVG's options, it'll be a checkbox you can mark to turn it on/off
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#1185 [13:48] <Elystus> Antdog319: Open avg and click on the link scanning module.
#1186 [13:48] <Elystus> there will be two options named Scan invoming messages and outgoing messages
#1187 [13:48] <Elystus> disable both.
#1188 [13:49] <Antdog319> Sweet, awesome yo thanks!
#1189 [13:49] <Antdog319> Saved me such a headache
#1190 [13:49] <Elystus> o/
#1191 [13:50] <AnaeonVaria> Exception in thread "Minecraft main thread" java.lang.ExceptionInInitializerError - make it go away. ;n;
#1192 [13:50] <Calinou_> AnaeonVaria, /me uses "go away errors" spell!
#1193 [13:50] <Calinou_> please, we need more info: what operating system? classic or full game?
#1194 [13:50] <Calinou_> downloaded version or in-browser?
#1195 [13:50] <AnaeonVaria> Linux, Full, Download.
#1196 [13:50] <Calinou_> \o/ linux
#1197 [13:50] <AnaeonVaria> :D
#1198 [13:50] <VoxelHead> :o)
#1199 [13:51] <Calinou_> AnaeonVaria, openjdk can sometimes cause issues
#1200 [13:51] <Calinou_> you could try installing sun's java
#1201 [13:51] <AnaeonVaria> Oracle.
#1202 [13:51] <AnaeonVaria> There's not even a trace of OpenJDK on my system.
#1203 [13:51] <Calinou_> inb4 archlinux
#1204 [13:51] <AnaeonVaria> ^ already looked there. x.x
#1205 [13:52] <Calinou_> AnaeonVaria, what graphics card, and are you using proprietary drivers?
#1206 [13:52] <AnaeonVaria> Radeon Mobility HD 5xxx, proprietary.
#1207 [13:53] <AnaeonVaria> I can get a stack trace if it will help.
#1208 [13:53] <skyboy> yes
#1209 [13:53] <AnaeonVaria> Paste here, or link?
#1210 [13:54] <GreyVulpine> Link please
#1211 [13:54] <AnaeonVaria> http://pastie.org/4267320
#1212 [13:55] <skyboy> 0 is out of bounds?
#1213 [13:55] <AnaeonVaria> Apparently. o_o
#1214 [13:56] <skyboy> looks like it is something to do with your graphics drivers, however
#1215 [13:56] <AnaeonVaria> :O
#1216 [13:56] <VoxelHead> "sweet" yeti of the Serengeti
#1217 [13:57] <AnaeonVaria> o.o
#1218 [13:57] <skyboy> ?? bot
#1219 [13:57] <VoxelHead> bot: I just type quickly.
#1220 [13:57] <rymate1234> guys
#1221 [13:57] <rymate1234> anyone got some tips to improve minecraft fps on linux
#1222 [13:57] <rymate1234> ?
#1223 [13:57] <skyboy> turn off smooth lighting
#1224 [13:58] <AnaeonVaria> I believe my drivers are up to date though...
#1225 [13:58] <AnaeonVaria> (not completely certain)
#1226 [13:58] <skyboy> what GPU do you have?
#1227 [13:58] * ac3xx [ac3xx@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#1228 [13:58] <AnaeonVaria> Whatever comes stock on that card.
#1229 [13:58] <Elystus> AnaeonVaria: I would reinstall them even if that is the case. The graphics drivers can get messed up.
#1230 [13:59] <AnaeonVaria> Grab them from the company site then?
#1231 [13:59] <Elystus> yea
#1232 [13:59] <AnaeonVaria> kk
#1233 [13:59] <Elystus> If you want, I can grab them while you uninstall.
#1234 [13:59] <rymate1234> brb getting optifine, see if that improves anything
#1235 [13:59] * JoshMad [JoshMad@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#1236 [13:59] <xales> rymate1234: "get a better computer"
#1237 [13:59] <AnaeonVaria> Nah. I can get them. Thanks though.
#1238 [13:59] <xales> or if you are using the wrong driver, then obviously, fix that.
#1239 [13:59] <Elystus> np :)
#1240 [14:00] <AnaeonVaria> bbs with results.
#1241 [14:00] <AnaeonVaria> lol @ xales.
#1242 [14:00] <xales> BBS? Where?
#1243 [14:00] <xales> ._.
#1244 [14:00] <AnaeonVaria> Be Back Soon
#1245 [14:00] <Elystus> BBC?
#1246 [14:00] <skyboy> the other BBS
#1247 [14:00] <rymate1234> xales, Good idea! Too bad it requires something I don't have.
#1248 [14:00] <xales> AnaeonVaria: No, Bulletin Board System.
#1249 [14:00] <xales> :p
#1250 [14:00] <AnaeonVaria> 9.9
#1251 [14:00] <skyboy> that's why i said other :P
#1252 [14:00] <xales> AnaeonVaria: WELCOME TO THE 90s.
#1253 [14:00] <xales> Oh, wait.
#1254 [14:00] <AnaeonVaria> >.>
#1255 [14:00] <xales> :(
#1256 [14:01] <VoxelHead> *gets out a board game for xales*
#1257 [14:01] <Elystus> the 90s! :D
#1258 [14:01] <skyboy> hah
#1259 [14:01] <AnaeonVaria> NES. o3o
#1260 [14:01] <Elystus> music was terrible then.
#1261 [14:01] <xales> Elystus: It's terrible /now/.
#1262 [14:01] <skyboy> i have an NES
#1263 [14:01] <Elystus> Most of it.
#1264 [14:01] <skyboy> and an atari2600
#1265 [14:01] <skyboy> both function :3
#1266 [14:02] <Elystus> Mine were sold to gamestop by my sister ;-;
#1267 [14:02] <Eddie> I have both and neither function.
#1268 [14:02] <AnaeonVaria> Uninstalling old driver/new driver.run downloaded.
#1269 [14:02] <AnaeonVaria> chmod
#1270 [14:02] <AnaeonVaria> and
#1271 [14:02] <AnaeonVaria> running
#1272 [14:02] <rymate1234> should I use the open source drivers or fglrx?
#1273 [14:02] <VoxelHead> Mmm Tonux.
#1274 [14:03] <skyboy> using proprietary drivers is almost always better
#1275 [14:03] <rymate1234> I have an ATI card
#1276 [14:03] <rymate1234> Mobility radeon 4250
#1277 [14:03] <skyboy> ?? gpu/amd
#1278 [14:03] <VoxelHead> gpu/amd: You can get drivers for AMD (formerly ATI) video cards here: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/index.aspx
#1279 [14:03] <AnaeonVaria> wtf... that's a yummy dialogue... it has Ubuntu window decorations, but the inside looks like Windows. -.-
#1280 [14:03] <rymate1234> lol
#1281 [14:04] <AnaeonVaria> Anyway...
#1282 [14:04] <AnaeonVaria> wut...
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#1284 [14:04] <AnaeonVaria> "A previous install of the fglrx driver has been detected. Please uninstall the older version before installing this version. ..."
#1285 [14:05] <AnaeonVaria> but... I just...
#1286 [14:05] <AnaeonVaria> oh... fml... gotta reboot...
#1287 [14:05] <AnaeonVaria> duh
#1288 [14:05] <rymate1234> lol
#1289 [14:05] <AnaeonVaria> brb
#1290 [14:05] <xales> AnaeonVaria: Install using a package manager
#1291 [14:05] <skyboy> uninstall again -> restart
#1292 [14:05] <xales> :p
#1293 [14:05] <xales> also, you /never/ *need* to restart.
#1294 [14:05] <rymate1234> "Catalyst was once a precompiled package offered by Arch in the [extra] repository, but as of March 2009, official Arch support has been dropped because of dissatisfaction with the quality and speed of development."
#1295 [14:06] <skyboy> xales: sometimes they do stupid things like only running cleanup on boot
#1296 [14:06] <xales> rymate1234: Install from AUR.
#1297 [14:06] <rymate1234> Kk
#1298 [14:06] <xales> skyboy: Cleanup manually? :p
#1299 [14:06] <xales> rmmod fglrx!
#1300 [14:06] <skyboy> if there's locked files (not on linux, since you can rm -rf the OS out from under itself) then that's impossible
#1301 [14:06] <Calinou_> c<AnaeonVaria> wtf... that's a yummy dialogue... it has Ubuntu window decorations, but the inside looks like Windows. -.-
#1302 [14:07] <Calinou_> are you trying to install a driver using wine?
#1303 [14:07] <xales> skyboy: I'm only talking about Unix-derivitives.
#1304 [14:07] * VoxelHead gets less interactive.
#1304 [14:07] <Calinou_> xales, AUR Is da hell
#1305 [14:07] <xales> Calinou_: wat
#1306 [14:07] <rymate1234> I like aur
#1307 [14:07] <skyboy> xales: yes, i know
#1308 [14:07] <skyboy> but that's one possible reason for a restart
#1309 [14:07] * Calinou is on debian anyway
#1309 [14:07] * AnaeonVaria [AnaeonVaria@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#1310 [14:07] <xales> skyboy: Buut, not on Unix-derivitives. :p
#1311 [14:07] <rymate1234> debian isn't bad
#1312 [14:08] <AnaeonVaria> Aaaand we're back.
#1313 [14:08] <xales> Calinou: :|
#1314 [14:08] <AnaeonVaria> Let's try this again w/o derping...
#1315 [14:08] <Calinou> distro war: STARTED
#1316 [14:08] * skyboy is on XP
#1316 [14:08] <xales> AnaeonVaria: Install using package manager, not AMD's installer.
#1317 [14:08] <Calinou> /etc/distro-war/daemon start
#1318 [14:08] <xales> Calinou: wat
#1319 [14:08] <rymate1234> ^
#1320 [14:08] <AnaeonVaria> lol
#1321 [14:08] <AnaeonVaria> give me a terminal over cmd any day.
#1322 [14:08] <rymate1234> rc.d distro-war stop
#1323 [14:09] <skyboy> rm -rf /etc/distro-war/
#1324 [14:09] <rymate1234> Nops
#1325 [14:09] <AnaeonVaria> ~/Downloads
#1326 [14:09] <rymate1234> sudo rm -rf /etc/distro-war/
#1327 [14:09] <AnaeonVaria> oops
#1328 [14:09] <AnaeonVaria> wrong window. XD
#1329 [14:09] <rymate1234> sudo pacman -R distro-war
#1330 [14:09] <skyboy> there's seriously a program named pacman?
#1331 [14:10] <rymate1234> That's the arch linux package manager
#1332 [14:10] <skyboy> ah
#1333 [14:10] <Calinou> sudo apt-get purge distro-war
#1334 [14:10] <rymate1234> yum remove distro-war
#1335 [14:10] <skyboy> i was thinking someone remade rm and called it pacman for fun
#1336 [14:11] <rymate1234> I <3 updates on arch
#1337 [14:11] <rymate1234> pacman -Sy
#1338 [14:11] <AnaeonVaria> Oh, look. A License Agreement dialogue. :D
#1339 [14:11] <rymate1234> meh
#1340 [14:11] <rymate1234> pacman -Syu
#1341 [14:11] <skyboy> pacman -eat /
#1342 [14:11] <rymate1234> lol
#1343 [14:12] <AnaeonVaria> while(true){ pacman.waka();}
#1344 [14:12] <skyboy> ?? linux/dontdothis
#1345 [14:12] <VoxelHead> linux/dontdothis: :():{:&:};:
#1346 [14:12] <AnaeonVaria> running aticonfig
#1347 [14:13] <rymate1234> skyboy, wat dat do
#1348 [14:14] <skyboy> dunno, actually
#1349 [14:14] <AnaeonVaria> lol "permission denied"
#1350 [14:14] <skyboy> i'm too lazy to search, and i don't want to try it myself
#1351 [14:14] <_303> google fork bomb
#1352 [14:14] <AnaeonVaria> sudo <3
#1353 [14:14] <xales> aticonfig generates an Xorg.conf
#1354 [14:15] <xales> ...I think.
#1355 [14:15] <AnaeonVaria> yes.
#1356 [14:15] <AnaeonVaria> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
#1357 [14:15] * nip [nip@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#1358 [14:15] <AnaeonVaria> Okay... so, rerun minecraft.jar now?
#1359 [14:15] <skyboy> yep
#1360 [14:16] <rymate1234> if that don't work, restart x
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#1362 [14:16] <AnaeonVaria> didn't work... new error... o.o
#1363 [14:16] <skyboy> initially i read that x as a kiss, and was confused
#1364 [14:16] <skyboy> pastebinit
#1365 [14:17] * JoshMad [JoshMad@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#1366 [14:17] <skyboy> i wonder if pastebin.it redirects to pastebin.com
#1367 [14:18] <xales> Host pastebin.it not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
#1368 [14:18] <AnaeonVaria> http://pastie.org/4267434
#1369 [14:18] <xales> AnaeonVaria: Oh, yes, that problem.
#1370 [14:18] <AnaeonVaria> I hate it when I try to copy from terminal using ctrl+c
#1371 [14:18] <AnaeonVaria> XD
#1372 [14:18] <xales> AnaeonVaria: Uhh, remove JRE and JDK using the package manager
#1373 [14:18] <xales> then reinstall both
#1374 [14:19] <xales> then reboot
#1375 [14:19] <xales> or log out and back in
#1376 [14:19] <xales> whichever, doesn't matter
#1377 [14:19] <AnaeonVaria> but.... JRE was difficult to install to begin with. x.x
#1378 [14:19] * Chester [Chester@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#1379 [14:19] <AnaeonVaria> gah...
#1380 [14:19] <xales> AnaeonVaria: Install it from the package manager...
#1381 [14:19] <AnaeonVaria> oyeah...
#1382 [14:19] <Chester> Is there someone here?
#1383 [14:19] <skyboy> nope, no one here
#1384 [14:19] <xales> Chester: No, the 156 people here other than you are just illusions.
#1385 [14:20] <skyboy> we're all bots, actually
#1386 [14:20] <Elystus> beep boop
#1387 [14:20] <Chester> I need some help....
#1388 [14:20] <Chester> isnt the the support chat?
#1389 [14:20] <skyboy> ??> Chester ask
#1390 [14:20] <VoxelHead> Chester: (ask) Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help with, and be as specific as possible.
#1391 [14:20] <VoxelHead> Chester: (ask) If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#1392 [14:20] <Chester> ok
#1393 [14:22] <Chester> my friend made a multiplayer minecraft server and he can connect to it but it says my connection was rejected:connect. is there something we can do to fix this?
#1394 [14:22] <xales> Chester: What IP address are you attempting to connect to?
#1395 [14:22] <skyboy> sounds like a whitelist
#1396 [14:22] <xales> skyboy: Whitelist says whitelisted.
#1397 [14:22] <Chester> 127.0.0.1
#1398 [14:22] <xales> Chester: That only works for the person hosting the server; it attempts to connect to /your/ computer.
#1399 [14:22] <AnaeonVaria> He gave you the wrong IP
#1400 [14:22] <skyboy> ..you need his extenral IP
#1401 [14:23] <AnaeonVaria> tell your friend to go to whatismyip.com
#1402 [14:23] <AnaeonVaria> and to give you that one
#1403 [14:23] <Chester> so is that his ipv4 i need
#1404 [14:23] <Elystus> why is wugbot not here ;-;
#1405 [14:23] <GreyVulpine> Wugbot died, Wug's on vacation
#1406 [14:23] <xales> Chester: You need his external IP address. If your friend doesn't know what that means, they should probably find someone who does.
#1407 [14:23] <Elystus> I see
#1408 [14:23] <AnaeonVaria> Chester, just tell him what I said.
#1409 [14:23] <skyboy> because wug abandoned us
#1410 [14:23] <Chester> ty
#1411 [14:24] <AnaeonVaria> Okay... I've got 3 different packages here... but none of them look like they're actually the JRE. o.o
#1412 [14:24] <AnaeonVaria> I've got an updater and 2 installers...
#1413 [14:25] <AnaeonVaria> wtf?
#1414 [14:25] <xales> AnaeonVaria: You found them using the package manager?
#1415 [14:25] <Elystus> O.o
#1416 [14:25] <xales> Or Google?
#1417 [14:25] <AnaeonVaria> Synaptic Package Manager
#1418 [14:25] <xales> AnaeonVaria: What are they called?
#1419 [14:25] <AnaeonVaria> oracle-jdk7-installer (not checked)
#1420 [14:26] <AnaeonVaria> oracle-java7-installer (checked)
#1421 [14:26] <rymate1234> guys
#1422 [14:26] <rymate1234> I have big problem
#1423 [14:26] <AnaeonVaria> update-sun-jre (checked, version 1.2.4)
#1424 [14:26] <rymate1234> http://pastebin.com/MWDct0m3
#1425 [14:26] <rymate1234> meh
#1426 [14:26] <rymate1234> http://pastebin.com/MWDct0m3
#1427 [14:26] <xales> AnaeonVaria: Remove "update-sun-jre" and "oracle-java7-installer"
#1428 [14:27] <xales> Then reinstall both packages starting with oracle-
#1429 [14:27] <rymate1234> wat do. :<
#1430 [14:27] <xales> rymate1234: Wait for the package to be updated for recent changes to main Arch packages
#1431 [14:28] <AnaeonVaria> wait... tried to mark the updater... wants to change 3 other packages... 2 from openjdk-6 and one from icedtea...
#1432 [14:28] <xales> AnaeonVaria: That's fine.
#1433 [14:28] <AnaeonVaria> kk
#1434 [14:28] <AnaeonVaria> applying
#1435 [14:28] <AnaeonVaria> wait, what?
#1436 [14:28] <AnaeonVaria> oh
#1437 [14:28] <AnaeonVaria> okay
#1438 [14:28] <AnaeonVaria> I see why it did that now...
#1439 [14:29] * shadowviper11 [shadowviper11@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#1440 [14:29] <AnaeonVaria> It's gonna install openjdk to replace this package. :/
#1441 [14:29] <rymate1234> lol
#1442 [14:29] <AnaeonVaria> oi...
#1443 [14:29] <AnaeonVaria> changes applied.
#1444 [14:29] <AnaeonVaria> So, try to reinstall starting with the java7-installer?
#1445 [14:29] <rymate1234> wait
#1446 [14:30] <rymate1234> I installed catalyst-total
#1447 [14:30] <rymate1234> do I need catalyst?
#1448 [14:30] <xales> AnaeonVaria: Both java7 and jdk7
#1449 [14:31] <AnaeonVaria> marked for install. apply, then do the updater?
#1450 [14:31] <xales> AnaeonVaria: No, just the two installers.
#1451 [14:31] <AnaeonVaria> kk
#1452 [14:31] <xales> rymate1234: I would install only catalyst.
#1453 [14:31] <rymate1234> oh
#1454 [14:32] <AnaeonVaria> applying...
#1455 [14:32] <rymate1234> I have the aticonfig command! \o/
#1456 [14:32] <AnaeonVaria> :D
#1457 [14:32] <rymate1234> shall I just run that then? :)
#1458 [14:32] <rymate1234> eh
#1459 [14:32] * rymate1234 runs it
#1459 [14:32] <AnaeonVaria> running it will give you instructions.
#1460 [14:32] <Elystus> \o/ I now have 1tb more space on my computer!
#1461 [14:32] <rymate1234> aticonfig: No supported adapters detected
#1462 [14:33] <AnaeonVaria> o.o
#1463 [14:33] <rymate1234> fiiiiine
#1464 [14:33] <AnaeonVaria> Changes applied.
#1465 [14:33] <rymate1234> rymate@ryan-laptop ~
#1466 [14:33] <rymate1234> > sudo pacman -R catalyst-total
#1467 [14:33] <rymate1234> error: target not found: catalyst-total
#1468 [14:33] <xales> AnaeonVaria: Log out, then back in, and try launching Minecraft
#1469 [14:33] <rymate1234> fuuuuuu
#1470 [14:33] <AnaeonVaria> kk
#1471 [14:34] <xales> rymate1234: pacman -Qs catalyst
#1472 [14:34] <rymate1234> AMD/ATI Catalyst drivers utilities and libraries with OpenCL implementation. Radeons HD 2 3 4 xxx ARE NOT SUPPORTED
#1473 [14:34] <rymate1234> oh dear
#1474 [14:34] <rymate1234> XD
#1475 [14:34] * AnaeonVaria [AnaeonVaria@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#1476 [14:35] <AnaeonVaria> ...
#1477 [14:35] <AnaeonVaria> it reset my monitor setup. -.-
#1478 [14:35] <AnaeonVaria> anyway...
#1479 [14:35] <rymate1234> Not sure if that applies to me, I have mobiliy radeon 4250
#1480 [14:35] <AnaeonVaria> same error.
#1481 [14:35] <AnaeonVaria> I think.
#1482 [14:36] <AnaeonVaria> Still complaining about the ELF class
#1483 [14:36] <AnaeonVaria> crap... gotta take my dog out. brb
#1484 [14:36] <xales> rymate1234: That probably does, yes.
#1485 [14:36] <rymate1234> Kk
#1486 [14:42] <AnaeonVaria> back
#1487 [14:42] <Elystus> welcome back
#1488 [14:42] <AnaeonVaria> What news have you for me?
#1489 [14:43] <AnaeonVaria> Or instructions, rather...
#1490 [14:43] <Elystus> Let me review what has happened. I was just putting in a new hard drive.
#1491 [14:43] <AnaeonVaria> Okay.
#1492 [14:43] <xales> AnaeonVaria: Try this
#1493 [14:43] <xales> Actually, first
#1494 [14:44] <xales> Delete ~/.minecraft/bin
#1495 [14:44] <AnaeonVaria> Woah
#1496 [14:44] <AnaeonVaria> Wait
#1497 [14:44] <AnaeonVaria> wtf
#1498 [14:44] <AnaeonVaria> I just reajusted my monitor resolution.
#1499 [14:44] <AnaeonVaria> It refuses to draw outside the old one.
#1500 [14:44] <AnaeonVaria> Just blackness.
#1501 [14:44] <xales> wat
#1502 [14:44] <Elystus> is there a rim of black around it?
#1503 [14:45] <Elystus> The screen*
#1504 [14:45] <AnaeonVaria> if by rim, you mean large chunks to the right and bottom, then yes.
#1505 [14:45] * Elystus would ask for a screen cap.... but he doubts it would show it.
#1505 [14:45] <AnaeonVaria> actually...
#1506 [14:45] <AnaeonVaria> I can test that.
#1507 [14:45] <AnaeonVaria> Yes.
#1508 [14:45] <AnaeonVaria> It shows.
#1509 [14:46] <AnaeonVaria> How may I send it?
#1510 [14:46] <Elystus> imgur
#1511 [14:47] <Elystus> I have to go for a bit. I will be back in 10-15 mins.
#1512 [14:48] <AnaeonVaria> My window switcher acts as if the drawn area is the entire screen. o.o
#1513 [14:48] <AnaeonVaria> http://imgur.com/yPz0v
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#1515 [14:50] <AnaeonVaria> http://imgur.com/cw8Cr
#1516 [14:51] <AnaeonVaria> Wait... I cycled resolutions and it fixed itself. o.o
#1517 [14:52] <rymate1234> AnaeonVaria, +1 for gnome-fallback
#1518 [14:52] <rymate1234> :P
#1519 [14:52] <AnaeonVaria> lol
#1520 [14:52] <rymate1234> although gnome-shell is better :P
#1521 [14:52] <AnaeonVaria> I'm not in fallback. :P
#1522 [14:52] <AnaeonVaria> I'm in 10.10
#1523 [14:52] <rymate1234> huh?
#1524 [14:52] <rymate1234> lol
#1525 [14:53] <AnaeonVaria> I updated, found it disgusting and horridly un-streamlined (plus I couldn't use Compiz) so I downgraded.
#1526 [14:53] <rymate1234> uhhhh
#1527 [14:53] <xales> :|
#1528 [14:53] <rymate1234> unity IS compiz
#1529 [14:53] <rymate1234> It uses compiz as the WM
#1530 [14:53] <rymate1234> :P
#1531 [14:53] <AnaeonVaria> Compiz Config...
#1532 [14:54] <rymate1234> ohhhh lol
#1533 [14:54] <xales> AnaeonVaria: Also, your problem may be related to using an old version of Ubuntu.
#1534 [14:54] <AnaeonVaria> I like my desktop cube. o3o
#1535 [14:54] <AnaeonVaria> Please...
#1536 [14:54] <AnaeonVaria> don't say that...
#1537 [14:54] <AnaeonVaria> no
#1538 [14:54] <AnaeonVaria> just...
#1539 [14:54] <AnaeonVaria> no
#1540 [14:54] * AnaeonVaria dies
#1540 [14:54] <xales> AnaeonVaria: I mean, it's still *possible* to get it to work.
#1541 [14:54] <xales> But using an old version of something because you can't be bothered to install other software after upgrading, is usually not a good idea.
#1542 [14:55] * AnaeonVaria un-dies.
#1542 [14:55] <zkxs> 10.04 ftw
#1543 [14:55] <rymate1234> ^
#1544 [14:55] <AnaeonVaria> No, I did upgrade it... I just didn't like the UI at all...
#1545 [14:55] <rymate1234> AnaeonVaria, not forced to another UI
#1546 [14:55] <rymate1234> as I said
#1547 [14:55] <xales> AnaeonVaria: Yeah, so install a different UI.
#1548 [14:55] <rymate1234> Gnome-fallback
#1549 [14:55] <rymate1234> brb restarting X
#1550 [14:55] <AnaeonVaria> Tried to use gnome-shell or gnome-fallback, but the trays don't work the same way. ;n;
#1551 [14:56] <xales> AnaeonVaria: Then fix them.
#1552 [14:56] <xales> That's the beauty of using open-source software.
#1553 [14:56] <xales> If it doesn't do what you want, make it. Or find someone else who already has, or knows how to.
#1554 [14:57] <rymate1234> AnaeonVaria, did you try alt+right click on a panel?
#1555 [14:57] <AnaeonVaria> Sorry, *panels.
#1556 [14:57] <rymate1234> or windows key + right click
#1557 [14:57] <AnaeonVaria> alt_right click?
#1558 [14:57] <rymate1234> yes
#1559 [14:57] <rymate1234> hold alt whilst right clicking
#1560 [14:57] <rymate1234> gets the panel menu up
#1561 [14:57] <AnaeonVaria> Did you just call it the Windows key? o.o
#1562 [14:57] <rymate1234> on gnome-fallback
#1563 [14:57] <AnaeonVaria> oh...
#1564 [14:57] <AnaeonVaria> well then...
#1565 [14:57] <AnaeonVaria> fml...
#1566 [14:57] <rymate1234> lolz
#1567 [14:58] <rymate1234> also
#1568 [14:58] <rymate1234> How do I check what driver I'm using?
#1569 [14:58] <AnaeonVaria> anyway... Server owner uses 10.10 and no problems with MC.
#1570 [14:58] <rymate1234> Ok
#1571 [14:58] <rymate1234> fglrxinfo says I have ati card
#1572 [14:58] * rymate1234 tries minecraft
#1572 [15:00] <xales> AnaeonVaria: I just said it's what is causing the problem, I didn't say it is impossible to work around.
#1573 [15:01] <xales> Running 10.10 on a server though... *bang*
#1574 [15:01] <xales> HOW DO I LTS
#1575 [15:02] <rymate1234> ok
#1576 [15:02] <rymate1234> fps seems to be somewhat better
#1577 [15:02] <AnaeonVaria> Sorry guys... I g2g.
#1578 [15:02] <AnaeonVaria> I'll try to come back later.
#1579 [15:02] <AnaeonVaria> Chao.
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#1581 [15:10] <mib_0cnqqf> hi im zatch243 i need help i bout the game and it said to wight a hour and thay wold give me up dates its been a day now what do i do?)
#1582 [15:12] <xales> Are you able to log into your account?
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#1584 [15:14] <mib_0cnqqf> yes but i cant download the game off)
#1585 [15:14] <wogus> GreyVulpine: skyboy Hello again! I come back with a way to reproduce the bug so that "world" gets created in system32
#1586 [15:15] <mib_0cnqqf> minecarft luncher)
#1587 [15:15] <TheNoodle> ...wat
#1588 [15:15] <Elystus> mib_0cnqqf: YYou are unable to download the launcher?
#1589 [15:15] <TheNoodle> wogus, do explain ^_^
#1590 [15:16] <wogus> a couple days ago I had an issue where I had lost my 'world' folder
#1591 [15:16] <skyboy> wogus: what is it?
#1592 [15:16] <wogus> and somehow it was found under system 32
#1593 [15:16] <wogus> if you run the minecraft_server.exe by clicking start, hovering over the folders and launch it from the start menu it creates world instead of reading the files within the folder
#1594 [15:17] <xales> wogus: Yeah, if you launch it in a weird way, Windows will much with CWD.
#1595 [15:17] <TheNoodle> oh, thought you meant the client >_>
#1596 [15:17] <mib_0cnqqf> i type in my user name and password and it says user not premium)
#1597 [15:17] <xales> mib_0cnqqf: Check with your financial institution and ensure that the transaction was able to complete.
#1598 [15:18] <xales> wogus: It's not a bug per se, it's a problem with Windows.
#1599 [15:18] <xales> Or, more that Windows is just a piece of crap.
#1600 [15:18] <wogus> well sadly most games are not very compatible across other platforms
#1601 [15:19] <xales> wogus: These days...you'd be surprised.
#1602 [15:19] <mib_0cnqqf> i never got that email)
#1603 [15:19] <mib_0cnqqf> its been a full day)
#1604 [15:19] <xales> mib_0cnqqf: "Check with your financial institution" is another way of saying "call the number on the back of the card"
#1605 [15:20] <xales> If your account has not been marked premium, and it has been 24 hours, it is likely the transaction was not successful.
#1606 [15:20] <xales> This is why you need to check with your bank.
#1607 [15:20] <mib_0cnqqf> ok ill try agine thanks^^)
#1608 [15:21] <xales> :|
#1609 [15:21] <wogus> I thought they took paypal as a method of payment.... I guess not
#1610 [15:22] <Elystus> They do....
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#1613 [15:28] <kevyninsha11> Im trying to play minecraft on the browser but when it try to load java it just freezes and doesnt load this happened after i updated java
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#1616 [15:32] <xales> kevyninsha11: Then uninstall the version of Java you updated to, and reinstall the old version.
#1617 [15:33] <kevyninsha11> how to i reinstall the old version?
#1618 [15:33] <xales> Download it from here:
#1619 [15:33] <xales> ?? getjava
#1620 [15:33] <VoxelHead> getjava: http://java.com/en/download/manual_v6.jsp
#1621 [15:38] <kevyninsha11> thank you :)
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#1623 [15:49] <Loudclaw> Guys, can you help me here?
#1624 [15:50] <Loudclaw> I need help with Redstone+StickyPistons
#1625 [15:50] <xales> No, we are just here to pick up the wimmen.
#1626 [15:50] <xales> ?? ask
#1627 [15:50] <VoxelHead> ask: Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help with, and be as specific as possible.
#1628 [15:50] <VoxelHead> ask: If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#1629 [15:50] <Loudclaw> I know Voxel
#1630 [15:50] <Loudclaw> You told me this yesterday
#1631 [15:51] <xales> Loudclaw: VoxelHead is a bot. The reason you are seeing the same thing twice is because you did not listen to it.
#1632 [15:51] <Loudclaw> What, so if I say the h word it'll start up?
#1633 [15:52] <xales> No, it is triggered manually.
#1634 [15:52] <Loudclaw> By who?
#1635 [15:52] <xales> Anybody that knows the trigger.
#1636 [15:53] <Loudclaw> Whoever controls this bot, I always ask if people can help in one post and then I'll state the question
#1637 [15:53] <NinjaKirby> Fukken' lol
#1638 [15:54] <Loudclaw> Anyway, help me with the redstone circuits+the Sticky Pistons. I can't get them to connect.
#1639 [15:54] <GreyVulpine> "Can anybody help me", usually results in silence because it takes more effort to write out "Possibly, if you tell us your problem in detail"
#1640 [15:55] <NinjaKirby> Loudclaw, how are you currently attempting to connect them? Got a screenshot?
#1641 [15:55] <GreyVulpine> If you actually take the time to write out your problem, including as much detail as you can, it can garner you faster responses.
#1642 [15:55] <Loudclaw> I can't find screenies.
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#1644 [15:55] <GreyVulpine> While ingame, press F2 to take screenshots. Screenshots are saved in your .minecraft/screenshots/ folder
#1645 [15:56] <Loudclaw> I'm using a Stone Pressure Plate...I wanna make those cool things that are in casttles.
#1646 [15:56] <GreyVulpine> You can share them via image sharing websites like imgur.com
#1647 [15:56] <GreyVulpine> "Those cool things that are in casttles"? Could you elaborate?
#1648 [15:56] <Loudclaw> Those sticky piston-door thingies?
#1649 [15:56] <Loudclaw> I don't know what else to call the.
#1650 [15:56] <NinjaKirby> Concealed Stone doorways?
#1651 [15:57] <NinjaKirby> Well, disguised stone doorways
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#1653 [15:57] <Loudclaw> That's exactly it!
#1654 [15:57] <Loudclaw> And I'm on a MAC
#1655 [15:58] <NinjaKirby> I guess you have the Sticky Pistons facing horizontally in the correct position within the wall? So they emerge and retract sideways, and not up and down
#1656 [15:58] <Loudclaw> I can get the screenies on a Windows but not a Mac
#1657 [15:58] <GreyVulpine> Macs store their screenshots in /users/yourname/library/application support/minecraft/screenshots
#1658 [15:58] <Loudclaw> Yeah that's right
#1659 [15:58] <Loudclaw> hmmmmmm
#1660 [15:58] <Loudclaw> Thanks
#1661 [15:58] <Loudclaw> brb
#1662 [15:58] <NinjaKirby> Mac doesn't have any kind of %appdata% shortcut I guess, Grey?
#1663 [15:59] <Loudclaw> I'll wait a little while, it's currently night in MC
#1664 [15:59] <GreyVulpine> NinjaKirby - ~/ is home, so ~/Library/Application Support/minecraft
#1665 [15:59] <NinjaKirby> Okie kokie Loudclaw :)
#1666 [15:59] <xales> NinjaKirby: There's some API call to fetch that directory, but not accessible as an environment variable directly.
#1667 [15:59] <Loudclaw> I'm in Creative Mode
#1668 [16:00] <NinjaKirby> Ah, enlightening, oops, brb
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#1673 [16:05] <Loudclaw> How do I get to Library?
#1674 [16:05] <xales> It's in your home folder.
#1675 [16:06] <Loudclaw> Where's that?
#1676 [16:06] <Loudclaw> Ah there we go, nvm
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#1681 [16:12] <Loudclaw> http://i47.tinypic.com/2lwt4sn.png[/IMG]
#1682 [16:12] <Loudclaw> Ah...
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#1684 [16:12] <Loudclaw> http://i47.tinypic.com/2lwt4sn.png
#1685 [16:12] <Loudclaw> There you go
#1686 [16:12] <Loudclaw> That's how I'm trying to connect the stuff
#1687 [16:12] <xales> Loudclaw: The redstone has to be facing the device
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#1689 [16:13] <Loudclaw> wtf
#1690 [16:13] <xales> So it looks like [x]---
#1691 [16:13] <Loudclaw> I'm wrong...
#1692 [16:13] <xales> Rather than [x]|
#1693 [16:13] <Loudclaw> Thanks
#1694 [16:13] <Egg7> Can I use a greendot visa to buy Minecraft?
#1695 [16:14] <Loudclaw> What do you have, Windows or Mac?
#1696 [16:14] <Egg7> Windows
#1697 [16:14] <xales> Egg7: Not likely, no.
#1698 [16:14] <Loudclaw> I can get if to you freee
#1699 [16:14] * xales kicked Loudclaw from #minecrafthelp (Reason: oudclaw :Nope.)
#1700 [16:14] <Egg7> So i have to use a real credit card/paypal money?
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#1702 [16:15] <xales> Egg7: You have to use something that allows international purchases.
#1703 [16:15] <Loudclaw> Here Egg
#1704 [16:15] * xales kicked Loudclaw from #minecrafthelp (Reason: oudclaw :No.)
#1705 [16:15] <xales> Generally, the small text on the back of the card will say "Only for use in the United States" or something like that.
#1706 [16:15] <xales> However, if it does *not* say that, then you can try it.
#1707 [16:15] <xales> Worst case scenario, it fails.
#1708 [16:16] <Egg7> It is international but it fails but thanks
#1709 [16:16] <xales> Also.
#1710 [16:16] <xales> Beware of this "Free Minecraft" crap. It's usually exactly what it says, Minecraft for free.
#1711 [16:16] <xales> But it usually also includes malware.
#1712 [16:17] <xales> Plus, it's a violation of copyright law...not that people usually care about that.
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#1717 [16:28] <WWalrath> ok.. I'm so frustrated I actually went out grabbed mIRC and came in here. I can follow instructions but when every damn site I go to has either conflicting instructions or shitty ones.. I become frustrated... anyone have 3 minutes of time to help a noob figure out why he can't get ANY mod to work?
#1718 [16:29] <GreyVulpine> Alright, start from the beginning. What mod did you want to use, and how were you installing it?
#1719 [16:29] <WWalrath> builder latest version.. says i need modloader and audiomod
#1720 [16:29] <GreyVulpine> Please include what version of minecraft you're using, what version of the mod you're using, and where you downloaded the mod from
#1721 [16:29] <WWalrath> ok
#1722 [16:30] <WWalrath> win 7 32 bit 4 GB of ram running minecraft client with a forced update before beginning. I renamed my .minecraft folder before starting to remove any possible conflicts.
#1723 [16:31] <GreyVulpine> Alright. Did you first start with installing modloader and audiomod into your %appdata%/.minecraft/bin/minecraft.jar file?
#1724 [16:31] <WWalrath> I followed modloader's instructions. Having watched 3 different videos making sure that I did it right.
#1725 [16:31] <GreyVulpine> Tell me exactly how you did that
#1726 [16:31] <WWalrath> ok i'm going to do it again as i type
#1727 [16:32] <GreyVulpine> Also tell me that you're getting the latest modloader and audiomod from: http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/75440-v125-risugamis-mods-everything-updated/
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#1729 [16:32] <WWalrath> yes sir.. followed that link
#1730 [16:33] <WWalrath> ok
#1731 [16:33] <WWalrath> Opened %appdata% in one window.. opened modloader with winRaR in another window
#1732 [16:33] <GreyVulpine> Alright. You downloaded modloader. Did a force update to grab a fresh .minecraft folder. You use some sort of compression program to open up .minecraft/bin/minecraft.jar
#1733 [16:34] <WWalrath> yeah.. winRaR
#1734 [16:34] <GreyVulpine> You then copied in the modloader files into minecraft.jar, then made sure to delete the META-INF folder in minecraft.jar
#1735 [16:34] <WWalrath> yes sir
#1736 [16:34] <WWalrath> doing it again as we speak
#1737 [16:34] <GreyVulpine> Afterwards, you ran minecraft to make sure that minecraft still runs."
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#1739 [16:34] <GreyVulpine> Doing this, will then make a /mods/ folder in .minecraft, as well as a debug log called modloader.txt
#1740 [16:35] <WWalrath> just deleted the meta-inf.. relaunching
#1741 [16:35] <WWalrath> minecraft launches
#1742 [16:36] <GreyVulpine> Good, then install audio mod, making sure to put the audio files into the appropriate resources folder. Relaunch minecraft.
#1743 [16:37] <WWalrath> got the modloader.txt.. here's last line "Jul 16, 2012 1:36:11 PM ModLoader addAllRenderers
#1744 [16:37] <WWalrath> FINE: Initialized"
#1745 [16:37] <WWalrath> ok audiomod next
#1746 [16:37] <GreyVulpine> That's fine. If there was an error, you'd see it in there
#1747 [16:37] <WWalrath> ok.. i deleted my audiomod .. just to make sure i get the latest one getting it now
#1748 [16:39] <WWalrath> ok here's where i get stuck..
#1749 [16:39] <WWalrath> i have the .zip
#1750 [16:39] <WWalrath> inside is 2 folders and a sd.class file..
#1751 [16:39] <GreyVulpine> the sd.class file will be in minecraft.jar (I believe)
#1752 [16:39] <WWalrath> your instructions say put the audio files into the appropriate resources folder.. i see no audio files.
#1753 [16:39] <GreyVulpine> What are the names of the two folders?
#1754 [16:40] <WWalrath> ibxm and paulscode
#1755 [16:40] <GreyVulpine> ibxm...
#1756 [16:40] <GreyVulpine> paulscode, you can see there's a folder labeled that in .minecraft/resources/
#1757 [16:40] <WWalrath> ibxm has 14 .class files in it
#1758 [16:41] <GreyVulpine> One moment..
#1759 [16:41] <WWalrath> paulscode goes 2 more folders deep.. sound>codecs and inside codecs is codecibxm.class
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#1761 [16:42] <GreyVulpine> Yeah.. all that looks like it goes into minecraft.jar
#1762 [16:42] <WWalrath> ok.
#1763 [16:43] <GreyVulpine> Could you run minecraft again, make sure it still works?
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#1765 [16:43] <GreyVulpine> Also check modloader.txt to see that the audiomod loaded
#1766 [16:43] <WWalrath> so.. 1 sec let me move those into minecraft.jar
#1767 [16:44] <WWalrath> done.. relaunching
#1768 [16:45] <WWalrath> launched fine
#1769 [16:45] <GreyVulpine> And now the modloader.txt file?
#1770 [16:45] <WWalrath> but.. the contents of the modloader.txt are the same..
#1771 [16:45] <GreyVulpine> Close and reopen?
#1772 [16:45] <WWalrath> i renamed the original so i could get a fresh one..
#1773 [16:45] <WWalrath> it all and relaunch
#1774 [16:46] <WWalrath> closed the whole thing and relaunched
#1775 [16:47] <WWalrath> Jul 16, 2012 1:47:02 PM ModLoader init
#1776 [16:47] <WWalrath> FINE: ModLoader 1.2.5 Initializing...
#1777 [16:47] <WWalrath> Jul 16, 2012 1:47:02 PM ModLoader readFromClassPath
#1778 [16:47] <WWalrath> FINER: Adding mods from C:\Users\Bill\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\bin\minecraft.jar
#1779 [16:47] <WWalrath> Jul 16, 2012 1:47:02 PM ModLoader readFromClassPath
#1780 [16:47] <WWalrath> FINER: Zip found.
#1781 [16:47] <WWalrath> Jul 16, 2012 1:47:02 PM ModLoader addAllRenderers
#1782 [16:47] <GreyVulpine> Gah, it's alright
#1783 [16:48] <WWalrath> doesn't look like audiomod loaded
#1784 [16:48] <GreyVulpine> Placing the contents into minecraft.jar was right.
#1785 [16:48] <GreyVulpine> Just asked in #risucraft.
#1786 [16:48] <WWalrath> ok good
#1787 [16:49] <GreyVulpine> Now then.. for build craft..
#1788 [16:49] <GreyVulpine> or builders mod.
#1789 [16:49] <GreyVulpine> I take it you got it from: http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1048638-builders-modv125-r4/#4
#1790 [16:49] <WWalrath> i've tried every damn mod i can find.. never got any of them to work.
#1791 [16:50] <WWalrath> getting it again from your link to be sure
#1792 [16:50] <WWalrath> that is NOT the same file i got before
#1793 [16:51] <WWalrath> instructions look the same thought
#1794 [16:51] <GreyVulpine> You always to to make sure you're getting the mod's latest version, and the forums are usually the best way to ensure that
#1795 [16:51] <WWalrath> got it.. and have it open..
#1796 [16:52] <GreyVulpine> Looks easy enough
#1797 [16:52] <WWalrath> yeah... well here we go..
#1798 [16:52] <WWalrath> dragging the included "mods" folder into the .minecraft mods folder
#1799 [16:52] <GreyVulpine> Right
#1800 [16:53] <GreyVulpine> make sure it's the contents of zip/mods/ to .minecraft/mods
#1801 [16:53] <WWalrath> done..
#1802 [16:54] <WWalrath> .minecraft/mods now has 2 items.. 1 folder and 1 .zip file
#1803 [16:54] <GreyVulpine> Yup
#1804 [16:54] <GreyVulpine> Now for resources. do the same for .minecraft/resources
#1805 [16:54] <WWalrath> step 2 - Drag the contents of the AddToResources folder into your .minecraft/resources folder
#1806 [16:55] <WWalrath> done
#1807 [16:55] <GreyVulpine> And finally, the addtobin for .minecraft/bin/minecraft.jar
#1808 [16:55] <WWalrath> folder structure looks the same
#1809 [16:55] <GreyVulpine> It could very well be possible that you could've been given an older version of the mod
#1810 [16:56] <GreyVulpine> Mods are very heavily dependent on proper versioning.
#1811 [16:56] <GreyVulpine> Once minecraft updates, mods do as well. There's no backwards compatibility.
#1812 [16:56] <WWalrath> done.. relaunching
#1813 [16:57] <WWalrath> well i logged in
#1814 [16:57] <GreyVulpine> Alright.
#1815 [16:57] <GreyVulpine> Do.. whatever that mod does, see if it works?
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#1817 [16:57] <WWalrath> hell if i know...
#1818 [16:58] <WWalrath> To verify that the mod has been installed correctly, start minecraft and look in the Builders folder that in the .minecraft/mods folder. It should contain a file called "results.txt". If it doesn't, then the mod was not installed correctly.
#1819 [16:59] <GreyVulpine> And does it?
#1820 [16:59] <WWalrath> and i has one!
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#1822 [16:59] <GreyVulpine> Great
#1823 [16:59] <WWalrath> bad instructions..
#1824 [16:59] <WWalrath> should say go to .minecraft\mods\builders and look for that file
#1825 [17:00] <GreyVulpine> Usually, when minecraft blackscreens, you either installed a mod wrong, or that mod's version doesn't match up
#1826 [17:00] <GreyVulpine> If minecraft runs, it (usually) means everything is okay.
#1827 [17:02] <WWalrath> well hell it even says "buildes mod: mod properly installed"
#1828 [17:02] <GreyVulpine> Great.
#1829 [17:03] <WWalrath> now i just need to find some and see if they're doing anything
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#1831 [17:04] <WWalrath> ok .. now if i wanted to run railcraft ....
#1832 [17:05] <GreyVulpine> http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/701990-125-railcraft-546-forge-smp/
#1833 [17:05] <GreyVulpine> Note the compatibility section there for
#1834 [17:05] <GreyVulpine> Compatibility:
#1835 [17:05] <GreyVulpine> Ah wait, buildcraft, not builders. Never mind.
#1836 [17:06] <WWalrath> right..
#1837 [17:06] <WWalrath> my issue is.. the wiki where I download is worse than reading stereo installation instructions (Beetlejuice subreference)
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#1839 [17:06] * GreyVulpine nods
#1839 [17:06] <GreyVulpine> Welcome to the world of mods.
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#1841 [17:07] <GreyVulpine> Looks like railcraft requires a third party client called Forge
#1842 [17:07] <WWalrath> right and Forge seems pretty standard from forum posts i've read
#1843 [17:07] <GreyVulpine> You download forge, use that in place of the minecraft client. And place Railcraft into the .minecraft/mods/ folder
#1844 [17:07] <WWalrath> or am I just dense
#1845 [17:07] <GreyVulpine> It is.
#1846 [17:08] <unbehagen> =/ idk why but it wont let me set a register password or it says i have too many user registrations on my account
#1847 [17:08] * GreyVulpine has never touched Forge.
#1847 [17:08] <WWalrath> wait what
#1848 [17:08] <WWalrath> use that in place of the client?
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#1851 [17:10] <AnaeonVaria> Okay, I'm back now... sorry about that.
#1852 [17:10] <GreyVulpine> Pretty sure Minecraft forge is a seperate client, isn't it?
#1853 [17:10] <GreyVulpine> I could be wrong.
#1854 [17:10] <WWalrath> checking it out now
#1855 [17:12] <AnaeonVaria> Still getting the "Wrong ELF Class" thing.
#1856 [17:12] <GreyVulpine> Nope, never mind. Looks just like another mod API that you place in .minecraft/bin/minecraft.jar
#1857 [17:12] <GreyVulpine> AnaeonVaria - Linux?
#1858 [17:12] <AnaeonVaria> Yes.
#1859 [17:12] <WWalrath> so take the entire contents of the .zip i just downloaded and drop it into the minecraft.jar?
#1860 [17:12] <GreyVulpine> WWalrath - Basically, yes.
#1861 [17:13] <GreyVulpine> AnaeonVaria - Very often, this occurs because minecraft packages lwjgl 2.4.2 with minecraft, and that's an old packge
#1862 [17:14] <GreyVulpine> AnaeonVaria - I'd first try to update the lwjgl files in ~/.minecraft/bin/ and ~/.minecraft/bin/natives with the latest build from:
#1863 [17:14] <GreyVulpine> http://www.lwjgl.org/download.php
#1864 [17:14] <AnaeonVaria> Okay.
#1865 [17:15] <GreyVulpine> If it still does that, then you've got the wrong version of java installed/configured
#1866 [17:15] <AnaeonVaria> Understood.
#1867 [17:15] <AnaeonVaria> Dowloading.
#1868 [17:15] <AnaeonVaria> dustin@dustin-Studio-1558:~$ java -version
#1869 [17:15] <AnaeonVaria> java version "1.7.0_03"
#1870 [17:15] <AnaeonVaria> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.7.0_03-b04)
#1871 [17:15] <AnaeonVaria> Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 22.1-b02, mixed mode)
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#1873 [17:18] <AnaeonVaria> omg. o.o
#1874 [17:18] <AnaeonVaria> It worked. :D
#1875 [17:18] <GreyVulpine> Great.
#1876 [17:19] <AnaeonVaria> I've done that like... 20,000,000,000 times, but apparently I finally got the right combo with all your help. :P
#1877 [17:19] * GreyVulpine tips hat
#1877 [17:19] <AnaeonVaria> Also... I got muted when I pasted my terminal thing. XD
#1878 [17:19] <GreyVulpine> Yeah.. flood protection. Sorry.
#1879 [17:19] <WWalrath> i'm going to build a simple screenshot step by step on that whole modloader/audio loader process
#1880 [17:19] <AnaeonVaria> Yah. No biggie. :P
#1881 [17:19] <AnaeonVaria> Should have expected it.
#1882 [17:19] <AnaeonVaria> Thanks again. ;3
#1883 [17:19] <GreyVulpine> Enjoy.
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#1885 [17:24] <Loki_Danai> I have a Mac and I tried to install a texture pack, however, when installing the game, it did not automatically put up a texture packs folder like the instructions show
#1886 [17:25] <Loki_Danai> so when I click the open texture packs folder nothing happens
#1887 [17:25] <GreyVulpine> Don't remember if that button has been fixed for macs yet. They used to not pop up the texture packs folder on macs.
#1888 [17:26] <GreyVulpine> Did you place the texture pack's zip file into ~/Library/Application Support/minecraft/texture packs/?
#1889 [17:26] <Loki_Danai> yeah, I had to create the minecraft and the other folder, they were not there already
#1890 [17:26] <Loki_Danai> yeah, I had to create the minecraft and the other folder, they were not there already
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#1892 [17:27] <GreyVulpine> You.. shouldn't need to
#1893 [17:27] <Loki_Danai> there was no minecraft folder at all.
#1894 [17:27] <GreyVulpine> If minecraft runs on your machine, there should already be a minecraft folder
#1895 [17:27] <GreyVulpine> If there wasn't, you're checking in the wrong place
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#1897 [17:28] <Loki_Danai> on a mac you just download and then put the minecraft in the applications folder, no installation
#1898 [17:28] <GreyVulpine> There's multiple Library/application support/ folders on a mac, make sure you're checking /users/yourname/Library/Application Support/minecraft
#1899 [17:28] <WWalrath> okay .. Forge blows..
#1900 [17:28] <GreyVulpine> Right, there's no installation, but there's still a minecraft folder that minecraft stores its files in
#1901 [17:29] <GreyVulpine> WWalrath - There's a reason why I haven't touched mods at all...
#1902 [17:29] <WWalrath> i reset the entire minecraft install.. inserted the contents of the zip and it's STUCK after login
#1903 [17:29] <WWalrath> back to just builders then
#1904 [17:29] <WWalrath> back to just builders then
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#1907 [17:29] <GreyVulpine> Then there's some incompatiblity going on. Happens all the time with mods
#1908 [17:30] <GreyVulpine> builders probably had some files that forge overwrote.
#1909 [17:30] <WWalrath> ooh deleted the meta-inf ...
#1910 [17:30] <Loki_Danai> well, when i click on users, my name, there is no library folder
#1911 [17:30] <WWalrath> and it .. works...
#1912 [17:30] <GreyVulpine> Loki_Danai - There is. One moment. It's hidden
#1913 [17:30] <GreyVulpine> Loki_Danai - Press command+shift+g to bring up your Go To Folder command
#1914 [17:31] <GreyVulpine> In it, put in: ~/Library/Application Support/minecraft
#1915 [17:31] <GreyVulpine> make sure to include that ~ tilde.
#1916 [17:31] <Loki_Danai> wow i found it
#1917 [17:31] <GreyVulpine> Now, find the texturepacks folder there, and place the .zip file inside
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#1919 [17:32] <Loki_Danai> okay. let me see if they show up now
#1920 [17:33] <Loki_Danai> do the texture packs only work in single player?
#1921 [17:33] <GreyVulpine> They only show up to you.
#1922 [17:33] <Loki_Danai> okay, on the texture pack page, on the game, the two that i added are greyed out not in color like the default one
#1923 [17:34] <GreyVulpine> Did you perhaps add an HD texture pack?
#1924 [17:34] <Loki_Danai> one of them is HD and the other isn't
#1925 [17:34] <GreyVulpine> HD texture packs require minecraft to be modded
#1926 [17:34] <GreyVulpine> Are you able to select the other texture pack?
#1927 [17:34] <Loki_Danai> no, they are both greyed out
#1928 [17:35] <GreyVulpine> Could you give me a link where you got these packs?
#1929 [17:35] <Loki_Danai> http://www.minecrafttexturepacks.com/
#1930 [17:35] * GreyVulpine blehs
#1930 [17:35] * GreyVulpine blehs
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#1931 [17:36] <GreyVulpine> Okay, if it's not a 16x16 texture pack, it's an HD one, and you need to mod minecraft for it to work
#1932 [17:36] <MineWonder> why isnt it letting me do commands on my smp?
#1933 [17:36] <Loki_Danai> okay. i downloaded the mcpatcher
#1934 [17:41] <Lord_of_Life> Hello guys, can anyone tell me how to remove that red square and the charts in the lower left corner? http://prntscr.com/c77ys
#1935 [17:42] <GreyVulpine> F3
#1936 [17:42] <Loki_Danai> okay i got it working. thanks for all the help
#1937 [17:42] <GreyVulpine> Loki_Danai - Good to hear
#1938 [17:42] <Lord_of_Life> I just want to remove that not the text.
#1939 [17:43] <GreyVulpine> Shift-F3 then
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#1941 [17:43] <Lord_of_Life> GreyVulpine: tnx
#1942 [17:43] * GreyVulpine nods
#1942 [17:48] <WWalrath> hey grey? if i wanted to do my own recording and record my tutorial/desktop.. what should i be getting/using?
#1943 [17:50] <GreyVulpine> Way too many programs out there to list. Probably the most popular is Fraps. I use SnagIt's Camtasia.
#1944 [17:52] <GreyVulpine> Also check out http://camstudio.org/
#1945 [17:53] <WWalrath> thanks
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#1948 [18:00] <hig> i need help, i just tried to play minecraft and when you click on the desktop icon, it asks you to log in, well i saw the green bar it loaded and all but i didnt see mojang so i waited 5 minutes and mojang symbol didnt appear and the screen still stayed black? you guys have any idea on what could have happened?
#1949 [18:00] <GreyVulpine> Using windows?
#1950 [18:00] <hig> yes windows 7
#1951 [18:01] <WWalrath> is there a channel for Forge users Grey?
#1952 [18:01] <GreyVulpine> Does your windows username happen to contain a ! mark at the end?
#1953 [18:01] <GreyVulpine> WWalrath - Try #minecraftforge?
#1954 [18:01] <WWalrath> heh. sorry i forgot how to filter the channel list
#1955 [18:02] <hig> no it does not
#1956 [18:02] <hig> it crashes a soon as i log in right after i click on the desktop icon
#1957 [18:03] <GreyVulpine> Ah, it crashes. Do you get an error report?
#1958 [18:04] <hig> no, it just sits there doing nothing
#1959 [18:04] <GreyVulpine> So it doesn't crash, but it hangs on Done Loading?
#1960 [18:05] <hig> no no, it turns black and stays black screen
#1961 [18:05] <hig> nothing happens after that point
#1962 [18:06] <GreyVulpine> Alright. First, let's double check my first assumption. Go to your start menu, in the search bar, type in: %userprofile% and press enter. Tell me if there's any characters in that folder's name that aren't a letter nor number.
#1963 [18:07] <WWalrath> might i suggest trying to delete the meta-inf folder?
#1964 [18:07] <GreyVulpine> Only needs to be done if there's a mod to be installed
#1965 [18:08] <GreyVulpine> If it's black screening upon first startup, there's another problem
#1966 [18:09] <hig> but i didnt try installing mods, it was my brother, he owes me $26.95 for a new minecraft game
#1967 [18:09] <hig> i know he caused it
#1968 [18:09] <GreyVulpine> hig - Has minecraft ever worked before?
#1969 [18:10] <hig> yes, it has
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#1971 [18:10] <GreyVulpine> Ah. Go to the launcher. Before logging in, go to the Options button above Log In. Hit force update. then try logging in again
#1972 [18:10] <hig> ok, ill try thanks
#1973 [18:12] <hig> praise you sir! it worked! god bless you!
#1974 [18:12] * GreyVulpine tips hat
#1974 [18:19] <WWalrath> hey grey i got the forge and railcraft working
#1975 [18:19] <WWalrath> and builder is also so.... now i can build awesome railways to the towns the NPCs build
#1976 [18:19] <WWalrath> 8 bit sims here i come
#1977 [18:19] <GreyVulpine> Heh, great.
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#1980 [18:21] <Daemon> hi can some help me i have a little bit of a problem i have set up the free minecraft server and i got a problem where my friend join but he just keep falling down to no where and then get kicked out how do i sort this problem out
#1981 [18:22] <GreyVulpine> How's your upload bandwidth? Got any firewalls or security programs that may be filtering the connection?
#1982 [18:22] <Daemon> i am only using like avg
#1983 [18:23] <Daemon> and my upload is only like 2 gb
#1984 [18:23] <GreyVulpine> Do a speedtest.net test
#1985 [18:23] <Daemon> ok checking now
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#1988 [18:24] <jediknight7> my minecraft kepps crashing after i login
#1989 [18:24] <jediknight7> hello
#1990 [18:25] <Daemon> my pc new for some reason i have notice that i will not get any upload speed but if i check on my other pc i will got upload speed
#1991 [18:25] <jediknight7> anybody there
#1992 [18:25] <jediknight7> do you know why it keeps crashing
#1993 [18:26] <jediknight7> it also gives me an error report
#1994 [18:26] <Daemon> Grey it like 0.25 but my other pc like 2.5 gb upload speed when i check and jedi you done all update
#1995 [18:26] <GreyVulpine> Daemon - I think that would be why. a .25 megabit upload is rather.. miniscule.
#1996 [18:27] <whiskeybent_txn> I'm playing on a TC4400 notebook, which has a touchpad and pointing stick; when I try to use my wireless mouse in minecraft as soon as i move it, it locks up, aims me straight up and i have to tap the touchpad to free it.
#1997 [18:27] <jediknight7> yes it crashes after the update
#1998 [18:27] <whiskeybent_txn> I should mention I am running Ubuntu 12.04 32bit
#1999 [18:27] <GreyVulpine> jediknight7 - Pastebin.com the error report, give us the URL
#2000 [18:27] <Daemon> which java are you using jedi
#2001 [18:27] <whiskeybent_txn> With OpenJDK Java JRE 6
#2002 [18:28] <GreyVulpine> Try Oracle's java. OpenJDK has problems
#2003 [18:28] <jediknight7> here http://pastebin.com/3GZM06pY
#2004 [18:28] <GreyVulpine> jediknight7 - As AuBot pointed out, do you know how to update your video drivers?
#2005 [18:28] <jediknight7> i tried to do that but it says that i already have the most up to date version
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#2007 [18:28] <GreyVulpine> jediknight7 - How did you check?
#2008 [18:28] <GreyVulpine> jediknight7 - How did you check?
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#2010 [18:29] <GreyVulpine> jediknight7 - Windows update/device manager will never give you the latest drivers.
#2011 [18:29] <Daemon> Grey any idea how i can sort out my upload spped if my other pc says i have 2.5 gb upload
#2012 [18:29] <GreyVulpine> Daemon - I very highly doubt you have 2.5 gb upload
#2013 [18:29] <GreyVulpine> That upload speed of .25 megabits, is from your ISP
#2014 [18:29] <Daemon> sorry not 2.5 gb
#2015 [18:29] <Daemon> lmao
#2016 [18:30] <Daemon> 2.5 mbs or something like that
#2017 [18:30] <jediknight7> i have windows 7 and for some reason i download the highest version but it says it isnt compatible
#2018 [18:30] <GreyVulpine> jediknight7 - Please give us a dxdiag
#2019 [18:30] <GreyVulpine> ??> jediknight7 win/dxdiag
#2020 [18:30] <jediknight7> iki
#2021 [18:30] <VoxelHead> jediknight7: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#2022 [18:30] <VoxelHead> jediknight7: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
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#2024 [18:31] <GreyVulpine> Daemon - I don't really know what to say here. Running a minecraft server requires a pretty good upload speed
#2025 [18:31] <Daemon> it just freaky
#2026 [18:31] <jediknight7> here http://pastebin.com/wQSq9Gnd
#2027 [18:32] <Daemon> grey could my new pc be slowing down my upload speed at all
#2028 [18:32] <GreyVulpine> Looks like a RADEON X600 Series on Windows 7, 32 bit..
#2029 [18:32] <GreyVulpine> Daemon - Nope
#2030 [18:33] <GreyVulpine> jediknight7 - Try these drivers here: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/windows/Legacy/Pages/radeonaiw_vista32.aspx?type=2.4.1&product=2.4.1.3.13&lang=English
#2031 [18:34] <jediknight7> but it says the version is windows vista
#2032 [18:34] <Daemon> grey i just ran a speed test on my other pc next to me and i am getting 1.71 mbs but i run the same test on this pc i am using and i am only getting 0.25 mbs
#2033 [18:34] <DopeGhoti> Daemon: how is the slower PC connected to your LAN?
#2034 [18:35] <Daemon> i have them both connect to my router if that what your asking
#2035 [18:35] <Daemon> not the best on pc stuff grey
#2036 [18:35] <jediknight7> will it still work?
#2037 [18:35] <DopeGhoti> Daemon: are they both connected wirelessly? With Ethernet cables? IP over Avian Carrier?
#2038 [18:36] <Daemon> ethernet cable
#2039 [18:36] <DopeGhoti> jediknight7: Windows 7 is for the purposes of device drivers the same OS as Vista
#2040 [18:36] <jediknight7> k
#2041 [18:36] <DopeGhoti> Daemon: You might have a bad cable. Try swapping cables.
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#2044 [18:36] <Daemon> ok be back in 2 min
#2045 [18:36] <GreyVulpine> Wug!
#2046 [18:37] <DaStabah> hello, i was wondering if someone could help me with using the nether to transport faster in the real world?
#2047 [18:38] <Rikairchy> what do you mean?
#2048 [18:38] <Rikairchy> change the 1:8 ratio?
#2049 [18:38] <DaStabah> well no
#2050 [18:38] <DaStabah> im in an smp server
#2051 [18:38] <DaStabah> where the central hub is
#2052 [18:38] <Rikairchy> a plugin might
#2053 [18:38] <Rikairchy> but we only help with vanilla minecraft
#2054 [18:39] <DaStabah> yeah it's vanilla minecraft
#2055 [18:39] <DaStabah> the hub is at x 2000 z 41
#2056 [18:39] <Daemon> grey i swap the cable and get better upload on my old pc i don't use and stillnot getting any upload speed on my new i7 3770
#2057 [18:39] <Rikairchy> you're making no sense
#2058 [18:39] <Rikairchy> Daemon
#2059 [18:39] <Daemon> yes rika
#2060 [18:39] <Rikairchy> how fast is the ports on your router/switch, and your NIC on your new computer?
#2061 [18:40] <Daemon> rika i have no idea
#2062 [18:40] <Daemon> how do i look
#2063 [18:40] <Daemon> rika
#2064 [18:40] <Rikairchy> please don't call me rika >.>
#2065 [18:40] <Rikairchy> im kinda weird about that.
#2066 [18:40] <Rikairchy> Rikai if you must :P
#2067 [18:41] <Daemon> sorry lol rikai
#2068 [18:41] <Rikairchy> theres no way to really check on the devices themselves...
#2069 [18:41] <DaStabah> basically im starting up a new "city" at x:2437 and z:4055, im trying to set up a portal at the central hub and make a nether walkway and end up at the new city
#2070 [18:41] <Rikairchy> DaStabah you just need to work out the math
#2071 [18:41] <Rikairchy> you could do warps
#2072 [18:41] <Daemon> i don't get it 2.54 mbps on old pc new pc 0.23 mbps
#2073 [18:41] <Rikairchy> is that upload or download
#2074 [18:41] <Rikairchy> your old PC may not have that good of a NIC
#2075 [18:41] <Rikairchy> or it could be a driver issue
#2076 [18:42] <Daemon> rikai i that my upload
#2077 [18:42] <Daemon> my old pc getting better uplaod speed then my new pc
#2078 [18:42] <Rikairchy> okay
#2079 [18:42] <Rikairchy> i get it
#2080 [18:42] <Daemon> am just lost how that can be
#2081 [18:42] <Rikairchy> for a number of factors
#2082 [18:43] <Rikairchy> different quality cable
#2083 [18:43] <Daemon> my new pc like a million time faster
#2084 [18:43] <Rikairchy> QoS on your router
#2085 [18:43] <jediknight7> i tried to install it but it said this Application Install: install package failure!
#2086 [18:43] <Rikairchy> jediknight7: install what?
#2087 [18:43] <Daemon> what qos rikai
#2088 [18:43] <Rikairchy> Daemon where are you from?
#2089 [18:43] <DaStabah> the issue was if someone put a portal in the new city it would get inter-linked with a portal at the central hub ,even though they were 2000 blocks away
#2090 [18:44] <Daemon> and i have swapped my cables over rikai and both work fine and i am from uk
#2091 [18:44] <jediknight7> a driver that GreyVulpine told me too
#2092 [18:44] <GreyVulpine> The ATI driver didn't work?
#2093 [18:44] <Rikairchy> DaStabah: you're going to need a plugin such as StarGates
#2094 [18:44] <GreyVulpine> Did you download the full software suite from http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/windows/Legacy/Pages/radeonaiw_vista32.aspx?type=2.4.1&product=2.4.1.3.13&lang=English ?
#2095 [18:44] <Rikairchy> or similiar
#2096 [18:44] <Rikairchy> for portal networks
#2097 [18:44] <Rikairchy> Daemon:
#2098 [18:44] <Rikairchy> it might not be the cable
#2099 [18:44] <Daemon> yes rikai
#2100 [18:45] <jediknight7> it didnt install properly because it said Application Install: install package failure!
#2101 [18:45] <Rikairchy> it could be drivers, QoS on your router, or your router still may be learning your computer
#2102 [18:45] <jediknight7> and yes i downloaded the full suite
#2103 [18:45] <Rikairchy> mine had that issue
#2104 [18:45] <Rikairchy> jediknight7: that usually happens when it didn't finish correctly
#2105 [18:45] <Rikairchy> how large is the file you downloaded?
#2106 [18:45] <jediknight7> why did it not install properly
#2107 [18:45] <Daemon> how would i sort it out then rikai i had this new pc for like 1 month now
#2108 [18:46] <Rikairchy> finish downloading correctly*
#2109 [18:46] <jediknight7> it is 95.0 mb
#2110 [18:46] <Rikairchy> jediknight7 can you link me to the file you downloaded?
#2111 [18:46] <jediknight7> sure
#2112 [18:46] <jediknight7> here http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/windows/Legacy/Pages/radeonaiw_vista32.aspx?type=2.4.1&product=2.4.1.3.13&lang=English
#2113 [18:47] <jediknight7> thats what GreyVulpin said to do
#2114 [18:47] <Daemon> rikia here my upload http://puu.sh/J7yd
#2115 [18:47] <Daemon> on new pc
#2116 [18:47] <Rikairchy> Daemon: i cannot help you from way over here in the US
#2117 [18:47] <jediknight7> i tried my minecraft and it worls
#2118 [18:47] <Daemon> oo it ok rikai thanks anyways
#2119 [18:47] <Rikairchy> I'm really only good at network troubleshooting if I'm on-site or SSH'd into it, in the case of routers
#2120 [18:47] <jediknight7> it works
#2121 [18:48] <jediknight7> thanks sooooooooo much
#2122 [18:48] <Rikairchy> wow
#2123 [18:48] <Rikairchy> VoxelHead is mean D:
#2124 [18:48] <Daemon> what if i run the files on my old pc rikai and join it on my new pc would that work
#2125 [18:48] <Rikairchy> do what?
#2126 [18:49] <Rikairchy> have you run all the updates on the new PC, and are you using updated drivers, etc?
#2127 [18:49] <Daemon> i don't no but i try it out if that all i have to do to get it to work
#2128 [18:49] <Rikairchy> you should update all the drivers for the new PC
#2129 [18:50] <Rikairchy> and if it IS a newer PC it should have gigabit connectivity.
#2130 [18:50] <Rikairchy> and if your old one is performing faster, then its not the ports on the router then
#2131 [18:50] <Rikairchy> its probably a software issue
#2132 [18:50] <Daemon> rikai where do i find out what need updating
#2133 [18:50] <Rikairchy> in reality you may be getting the same speeds as your old one
#2134 [18:50] <Rikairchy> but the software is older and takes longer to load, hence why it sees it as slower
#2135 [18:51] <Daemon> it just freaky that all
#2136 [18:51] <Rikairchy> ...?
#2137 [18:51] <Daemon> so where do i check what need updating just go to computer system
#2138 [18:52] <Rikairchy> I'd use something like DriverMax or Driver Pro
#2139 [18:52] <Daemon> and that check what out of date
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#2141 [18:53] <Rikairchy> yes
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#2143 [18:54] <Guest_> well rikai i download DriverMax now and check now
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#2145 [18:56] <iDaemon> rikai you still here
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#2149 [19:04] <Rikairchy> no, I left
#2150 [19:06] <iDaemon> just checked what outdated so try to update now
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#2152 [19:08] <Elystus> Yes
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#2155 [19:12] <Richy> is greyvulpine there
#2156 [19:13] <Elystus> What do you need?
#2157 [19:15] <Richy> well a long time ago he got me a .bat that would launch minecraft with lower memory requirements, i moved it onto my new computer but when i start it up the command prompt says this
#2158 [19:15] <Elystus> if it is long, use pastebin.com
#2159 [19:16] <Richy> http://pastebin.com/Ki5hg9af
#2160 [19:17] <Elystus> can you pastebin what is in the bat folder.
#2161 [19:18] <Richy> http://pastebin.com/Uw6TqnYN
#2162 [19:18] <Elystus> can you open command prompt and type in java -version
#2163 [19:19] <Richy> 1.6.0_31
#2164 [19:20] <Elystus> Do you have the launcher downloaded?
#2165 [19:20] <Elystus> "Could not find the main class: net.minecraft.LauncherFrame"
#2166 [19:21] <Richy> i have the launcher downloaded and i have the full vanilla .minecraft
#2167 [19:21] <Richy> the launcher isnt where it was stored on the old computer, could that be it
#2168 [19:21] <Elystus> is the launcher in the same folder as the bat file?
#2169 [19:21] <Richy> no
#2170 [19:22] <Elystus> it needs to be
#2171 [19:22] <Richy> ok
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#2174 [19:24] <Richy> still wont work
#2175 [19:26] <Richy> hello
#2176 [19:28] <Elystus> back, sorry.
#2177 [19:28] <Elystus> Richy: DId you download the jar or the exe?
#2178 [19:28] <Richy> still wont work
#2179 [19:29] <Richy> the minecraft .jar?
#2180 [19:29] <Elystus> Yea, you need the minecraft.jar
#2181 [19:29] <Richy> the one in the .minecraft
#2182 [19:30] <Elystus> yes, but you need to download the actualy jar launcher
#2183 [19:31] <Elystus> https://s3.amazonaws.com/MinecraftDownload/launcher/minecraft.jar
#2184 [19:31] <Elystus> place that with the bat file
#2185 [19:32] <Richy> ok
#2186 [19:32] <Elystus> It should work then
#2187 [19:33] <Elystus> I have to go for about half an hour. Hopefully that solved it.
#2188 [19:35] <Richy> it didnt work
#2189 [19:36] <Richy> hold on....
#2190 [19:36] <Richy> hold on....
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#2195 [20:07] <DiskDaemon> Marc_IRL: I've just read through the logs from when you were clarifying some policies on the accounts, and it's a good read
#2196 [20:07] <brigantti> my account wont turn premium
#2197 [20:08] <ShaRose> when did you pay for it
#2198 [20:08] <brigantti> today around 615
#2199 [20:08] <DiskDaemon> Marc_IRL: I was wondering - is there any way to find out which articles in help.mojang.com have been updated recently, so that we may remain up to date about things?
#2200 [20:08] <Elystus> brigantti: How long ago was that?
#2201 [20:08] <ShaRose> http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/329519-when-will-i-receive-my-premium-status-
#2202 [20:08] <DiskDaemon> brigantti: Please check with your bank. If money has not been removed from your account, premium cannot be granted.
#2203 [20:09] <brigantti> it was removed
#2204 [20:09] <DiskDaemon> That's a good article that answers things for you then
#2205 [20:09] <ShaRose> do you have a transaction ID in your email?
#2206 [20:09] <brigantti> no
#2207 [20:09] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: I spent a few hours making a bat file that automated the java ipv6 fix... only to figure out that a shortcut cannot be created through a batch file >_<
#2208 [20:09] <ShaRose> it's probably your bank holding it up then
#2209 [20:10] <brigantti> ok
#2210 [20:10] <brigantti> wut happens if that not the prop
#2211 [20:11] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: There is a command-line program called XXMKLINK that can be used fro a batch file to create a shortcut
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#2215 [20:12] <DiskDaemon> brigantti: It won't be until 5 working days (this day of the week next week) that you find out if that is not the problem
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#2217 [20:12] <brigantti> how long does it take to become permuim
#2218 [20:12] <brigantti> premium*
#2219 [20:13] <DiskDaemon> brigantti: Normally it's within a few hours. You may be special.
#2220 [20:13] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: I wanted to keep it in one file, but it seems as if I am going to have to make it a zip file or something.
#2221 [20:13] <brigantti> i paid it at 6
#2222 [20:13] <brigantti> and now its 8
#2223 [20:14] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: What about a self-extracting exe that unpacks itself with its utils, runs the batch file within it, and then cleans up after itself? Mind you, at that stage of thigns a simple .jar thta someone can run looks like a better option
#2224 [20:14] <DiskDaemon> brigantti: Patience then. Go back to the article and comtenplate on what it says. http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/329519-when-will-i-receive-my-premium-status-
#2225 [20:15] <brigantti> o ok ty
#2226 [20:15] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: I was thinking that may be one possibility.
#2227 [20:16] * Elystus pulls the bat file and vbs files out of the recycle bin.
#2227 [20:16] <Elystus> I will see if I can finish it tomorrow.
#2228 [20:17] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: Have you considered using powershell instead, which comes installed with more recently windows operating systems?
#2229 [20:19] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: I was looking into that. Is it worth doing?
#2230 [20:19] <Elystus> It sounds like it is able to do a lot more.
#2231 [20:20] <DiskDaemon> It could be. The .cmd script files are what Microsoft intend to take over from batch files with
#2232 [20:21] <Elystus> I will look into it after I am done with this.
#2233 [20:21] <Elystus> I have 5-6 more things to add to the thread for windows
#2234 [20:26] <DopeGhoti> cmd files _are_ batch files
#2235 [20:27] <DopeGhoti> There is literally no difference between a .cmd file and a .bat file other than that MS-DOS will know what to do with a .bat file.
#2236 [20:28] <DiskDaemon> .cmd files work from windows XP upwards too, that I've tested, so there are no compatibility issues in that regard too
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#2238 [20:30] <DopeGhoti> '.cmd' has been a working alternative extension for batch files since Windows 2000; _possibley_ earlier
#2239 [20:30] <DopeGhoti> I can't be arsed to set up a Win98 or WinNT3.1 VM for testing
#2240 [20:32] <DiskDaemon> Version 1 of powershell was with Windows XP/Sever 2003 - so I wouldn't say it works in anything earlier than that
#2241 [20:32] <DopeGhoti> .cmd files are not, to my knowledge, PowerShell script files
#2242 [20:32] <DopeGhoti> they are interpreted by cmd.exe
#2243 [20:32] <skyboy> it won't work in 98, it's strictly dos-based
#2244 [20:33] <DiskDaemon> It's also available for 9/NT/2000 in the support tools addon for them
#2245 [20:33] <DiskDaemon> err, 98.
#2246 [20:33] <DopeGhoti> DiskDaemon: you're talking about two different things at once
#2247 [20:33] <DopeGhoti> PowerShell is _not_ the stock command interpreter
#2248 [20:34] <DopeGhoti> PowerShell files' extension is .ps1
#2249 [20:34] <DiskDaemon> I completely agree there
#2250 [20:34] <DopeGhoti> s/is/are/
#2251 [20:34] <skyboy> wrong channel :P
#2252 [20:34] <DopeGhoti> heh.
#2253 [20:37] <DiskDaemon> It wouldn't be from a .cmd file that you could natively create a shortcut, it would have to be fro a powershell script instead, which is completely different from batch or cmd files
#2254 [20:38] <DopeGhoti> and now we have a winner. (:
#2255 [20:38] <DiskDaemon> The only main reason to use .cmd instead of .bat is to help prevent accidental execution on 9x systems
#2256 [20:39] <skyboy> alternatively, you can use .com to make thme think they're opening a web page
#2257 [20:40] <DiskDaemon> So I would personally go with a .jar file instead for doing things in relation to Minecraft
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#2259 [20:40] <DiskDaemon> That also means that you can adjust the .jar file so that it's more capable of working on linux and macs too, where needed
#2260 [20:40] <skyboy> also, you can't do inverse square root in java
#2261 [20:41] <skyboy> the Double.doubleToLongBytes method and its compliment are extremely slow
#2262 [20:41] <DiskDaemon> Also, Java's math library is so slow that javascript just ends up destroying it
#2263 [20:41] <Trials> hey uhm, can i have some help? im sure some of you may have heard of this, its the hs_err_pid# folder problem
#2264 [20:41] <DiskDaemon> Trials: Yes, we can help
#2265 [20:41] <DiskDaemon> Trials: Your graphics card drivers need to be updated
#2266 [20:41] <DiskDaemon> ??> Trials win.dxdiag
#2267 [20:42] <DiskDaemon> ??> Trials win/dxdiag
#2268 [20:42] <VoxelHead> Trials: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#2269 [20:42] <VoxelHead> Trials: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
#2270 [20:42] <DopeGhoti> skyboy: inverse square root? Isn't that just raising to the power of two?
#2271 [20:42] <skyboy> vox should be made to accept . in place of /
#2272 [20:42] <DiskDaemon> I should be made to type properly :)
#2273 [20:43] <skyboy> dope: no; it returns a value that when you divide 1f by it, you get the square root
#2274 [20:43] <skyboy> so (1f / invsqrt(v)) === (sqrt(v))
#2275 [20:43] <DiskDaemon> So 1/4 would be the inverse square root of 16 ?
#2276 [20:43] <skyboy> but invsqrt is much, much faster
#2277 [20:44] <skyboy> yes
#2278 [20:44] <Elystus> why is math happening now?
#2279 [20:44] <Trials> ok here it is
#2280 [20:44] <Trials> http://pastebin.com/5d2u3Biu
#2281 [20:44] <skyboy> Elystus: because programmers
#2282 [20:44] <Elystus> stilll....
#2283 [20:44] <DiskDaemon> Trials: You have a Radeon (TM) HD 6490M graphics card in there
#2284 [20:44] <Trials> yes
#2285 [20:45] <Trials> and an intel one too
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#2287 [20:45] <DiskDaemon> ??> Trials gpu/amd
#2288 [20:45] <VoxelHead> Trials: (gpu/amd) You can get drivers for AMD (formerly ATI) video cards here: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/index.aspx
#2289 [20:45] <Trials> if i update that, will minecraft work then?
#2290 [20:46] <skyboy> potentially
#2291 [20:46] <DiskDaemon> How do we determine whether Minecraft is using the Intel or the AMD grahics card? I still don't know
#2292 [20:46] <Trials> do i select noteook graphics?
#2293 [20:46] <skyboy> while you update the drivers, can you upload the hs_err_pid file's contents to pastebin?
#2294 [20:46] <Trials> i already did
#2295 [20:46] <Trials> the link is a little above
#2296 [20:46] * DiskDaemon puts $1 on "problematic frame"
#2296 [20:47] <Trials> do i have to uninstall one card?
#2297 [20:47] <skyboy> not the dxdiag, the hs_err_pid
#2298 [20:47] <Trials> oh
#2299 [20:47] <Trials> ok one sec
#2300 [20:47] <skyboy> cards can't conflict to crash minecraft, can they?
#2301 [20:48] <DiskDaemon> Trials: Here are some solutions to switching the graphics card http://superuser.com/questions/321140/how-to-make-ati-graphic-card-switching-work-better
#2302 [20:48] <DiskDaemon> skyboy: What does happen is that notebooks switch to the better card only when they detect directx is being used. Minecraft uses opengl instead, so the switch doesn't occur
#2303 [20:48] <Trials> wait wait wait
#2304 [20:49] <Trials> i just opened minecraft
#2305 [20:49] <Trials> and somehow, it runs now
#2306 [20:49] <Trials> but
#2307 [20:49] <Trials> when i log in, it gives me the login failed thign
#2308 [20:49] <skyboy> !login
#2309 [20:49] <DiskDaemon> Trials: What is your username?
#2310 [20:49] <Trials> blockmaster895
#2311 [20:50] <skyboy> !paid blockmaster895
#2312 [20:50] <Trials> yes
#2313 [20:50] <Trials> i have back in 2010
#2314 [20:50] <GreyVulpine> Login Failed means you're putting in your password wrong. Try resetting it
#2315 [20:50] <Trials> ok one sec brb
#2316 [20:50] <DiskDaemon> Trials: You should receive an email shortly about resetting your passowrd
#2317 [20:51] <Trials> nope wait, i got it
#2318 [20:51] <Trials> its downloading updates one sec
#2319 [20:51] <Trials> let me see if i can connect to a server
#2320 [20:54] <Trials> OH MY GOD
#2321 [20:54] <Trials> I CAN RUN MIENCRAFT
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#2323 [20:54] <DiskDaemon> you're welcome
#2324 [20:54] <Trials> I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR 6 MONTHS
#2325 [20:54] <Trials> YEESSSS!!!
#2326 [20:54] <Trials> thank you guys SSSOOOOOOOOOO much
#2327 [20:56] <skyboy> anyway, yeah. java just sucks
#2328 [20:57] <DiskDaemon> Could a potential solution to this whole switchable graphics problem that people have, be for Minecraft to start a do-nothing directx process when it starts?
#2329 [20:57] <skyboy> possibly
#2330 [20:57] <skyboy> it'd be nice if minecraft could use both, though
#2331 [20:58] <skyboy> also, java considers static and non-static methods of the same name and signature to be the same function and throws an error at compile time. explain that.
#2332 [20:58] <DiskDaemon> That's not liekly to happen though because of the desire for one code-base across all platforms
#2333 [20:58] <skyboy> it can be one code base
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#2335 [20:58] <skyboy> dynamically detect DirectX installs and use that when possible; it'd require an abstraction class that decides which methods to use
#2336 [20:59] <skyboy> and could even be switched at run-time
#2337 [20:59] <skyboy> that is, while the game is running and the user is engaged
#2338 [21:00] <DiskDaemon> meanwhile we have to live with people and their laptops coming here because their fancy graphics card in it is lying dormant for minecraft's opengl stuff
#2339 [21:02] <skyboy> "Do you need my help? Oh, it's OpenGL and you got it? Okay."
#2340 [21:04] <skyboy> also, i brought up the invsqrt thing because minecraft has been running for the last error, but frozen while the invsqrt function burns resources
#2341 [21:04] <skyboy> sqrt completes in under 30 seconds for the same set of explosions
#2342 [21:04] <DiskDaemon> Okay, I'm bookmarking this one - "This thread is an attempt to make a comprehensive guide to all problems that might arise when it comes to laptops with AMD dedicated and Intel HD embedded graphics cards" http://www.frictionalgames.com/forum/thread-9942.html
#2343 [21:08] <DiskDaemon> skyboy: Would a hash table help with those explosions?
#2344 [21:09] <Minewonder> are there any mod channels aviablele for minecraft that can provide help?
#2345 [21:09] <skyboy> hashtable slows it down, actually
#2346 [21:09] <skyboy> i swapped a hash table for an array of ints
#2347 [21:10] <skyboy> it can handle explosives without crashing now
#2348 [21:10] <DiskDaemon> Minewonder: What sort of mod assistance?
#2349 [21:10] <Minewonder> the magiclauncher
#2350 [21:10] <Minewonder> The one you suggested earlier today
#2351 [21:10] <DiskDaemon> I can help with that
#2352 [21:10] <Wug> lol hash tables of ints
#2353 [21:10] <Wug> on 64 bit java, using the integer class takes up 3x as much ram as just a plain int
#2354 [21:11] <Wug> probably more like 4x
#2355 [21:11] <Minewonder> Im tryin to get it so that i can use my textureacks for both 12w27a and 1.2.5 but its not letting me add mcpatcher
#2356 [21:11] <Minewonder> its already downgraded to 1.2.5 mcpatcher
#2357 [21:11] <Wug> you have the 64 bit reference, 32 bits of int, and 32 bits reserved for javas class pointer thing
#2358 [21:11] <Wug> I was reading the bukkit plugin tutorial lol
#2359 [21:11] <DiskDaemon> Minewonder: mcpatcher is something that you do outside of any launcher. The mcpatcher program patches your .jar file si that it can work with higher resolution texture packs
#2360 [21:12] <Wug> got to the point where it has a HashMap of Booleans
#2361 [21:12] <Wug> was like "I think I could teach myself to write better plugins from under and ethernet connected rock than by reading this"
#2362 [21:13] <skyboy> bukkit is crap
#2363 [21:14] <skyboy> someone ported code into the titanpad of the explosion class, and it didn't even work
#2364 [21:14] <skyboy> one section made TNT destroy everything, including bedrock in a 16x16x16 round area
#2365 [21:14] <superkabii> that sounds like their own fault
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#2368 [21:15] <bearskin98> Hello!, is there a world generator like this http://www.minecraft...or-beta-update/ that generates a normal world? Because the chunks really slow down my game and the desert generator fixes this problem but I don't whant a desert .
#2369 [21:16] <DiskDaemon> bearskin98: Those ...'s in the url
#2370 [21:16] <bearskin98> ?
#2371 [21:16] <skyboy|MCC> the ...s removed part of the url itself
#2372 [21:17] <bearskin98> http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/148070-primordial-desert-v2-major-beta-update/page__st__60
#2373 [21:18] <DiskDaemon> So you're not wanting desert. What are you wanting?
#2374 [21:18] <bearskin98> just a normal world
#2375 [21:18] <bearskin98> but pre generated
#2376 [21:18] <DiskDaemon> bearskin98: Here are some map generators http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Programs_and_editors/Mapping#Map_Generators
#2377 [21:19] <bearskin98> do these load the chunks and everything like the desert one does?
#2378 [21:20] <DiskDaemon> bearskin98: I know nothing of that desert one.
#2379 [21:20] <bearskin98> O
#2380 [21:20] <DiskDaemon> bearskin98: This "Minecraft Land Generator" seems to be close to what you want http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Programs_and_editors/Mapping#Map_Editors
#2381 [21:20] <DiskDaemon> "Useful for Pre-generating terrain for mappers, or reducing server load."
#2382 [21:20] <bearskin98> ok i'll try it out thanks!
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#2384 [21:23] <bearskin98> DiskDaemon: thanks for the help!
#2385 [21:23] <haha7isaboss> Serious help needed here. When I log in to minecraft, my game goes black. I tried force update and deleted my bin, but still no luck. I deleted minecraft folder, still no luck. I have backed up saves and stuff btw. Also, I had mods installed when this happened, if it makes any difference
#2386 [21:26] <haha7isaboss> hello?
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#2388 [21:27] <DiskDaemon> hi there
#2389 [21:27] <DiskDaemon> ??> haha7isaboss win/reinst
#2390 [21:27] <VoxelHead> haha7isaboss: (win/reinst) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#2391 [21:27] <VoxelHead> haha7isaboss: (win/reinst) To do so, press your Windows+R keys, type in %AppData% at the dialog, and press Enter. In the window that appears, open the .minecraft directory, and delete everything except for the saves directory that you see therein. Then, try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
#2392 [21:27] <haha7isaboss> I'm on a mac...
#2393 [21:28] <DiskDaemon> ??> haha7isaboss mac/reinst
#2394 [21:28] <VoxelHead> haha7isaboss: (mac/reinst) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#2395 [21:28] <VoxelHead> haha7isaboss: (mac/reinst) To do so, in the Finder, from the Go menu, select Home. Then open Library, Application Support, and then minecraft. Drag the bin and resources folders to the trash, then try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
#2396 [21:28] <ntyson6> hi how do i change the Language for my game?
#2397 [21:28] <DiskDaemon> ntyson6: At the bottom left of the menu is a button to change the language
#2398 [21:29] <ntyson6> Ok, i will go try thank you very much!
#2399 [21:29] <haha7isaboss> i'll try it
#2400 [21:30] <haha7isaboss> nope still doesnt work...
#2401 [21:30] <DiskDaemon> haha7isaboss: Let's get a crash report for you then. http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Crash#Mac_OSX
#2402 [21:30] <haha7isaboss> what if there's no crash report?
#2403 [21:31] * DiskDaemon shrugs
#2403 [21:32] <haha7isaboss> here's the error using mcerror
#2404 [21:32] <haha7isaboss> http://pastebin.com/EWEb3JGv
#2405 [21:32] <skyboy> a crash without a report is like a car that won't start when none of the parts look broken
#2406 [21:33] <haha7isaboss> well it's not my fault the car parts aren't broken... lol
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#2408 [21:34] <DiskDaemon> haha7isaboss: From that error message, I suspect that you may not be running the launcher provided by Mojang
#2409 [21:35] <haha7isaboss> I am.
#2410 [21:35] <DiskDaemon> however, I know very little about macs. Time for some research
#2411 [21:35] <haha7isaboss> I am most positively positive that I am running the Mojang launcher...
#2412 [21:35] <GreyVulpine> That error message means the minecraft.jar isn't in the same place as the command trying to run it
#2413 [21:36] <skyboy> LauncherFrame is in the Launcher itself, isn't it?
#2414 [21:37] <DiskDaemon> that it is
#2415 [21:37] <GreyVulpine> When you run minecraft via the command line, you launch with java -Xmx1024M -Xms512M -cp Minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame
#2416 [21:38] <GreyVulpine> That error's saying, it can't find the net.minecraft.LauncherFrame class
#2417 [21:38] <GreyVulpine> Typically occurs because the command used, and the minecraft.jar launcher aren't in the same working directory
#2418 [21:39] <skyboy> how does the launcher go about downloading minecraft if it is in the file that needs to be downloaded?
#2419 [21:39] <skyboy> i feel that there's a cache-22 about downloading yourself before you run
#2420 [21:39] <GreyVulpine> Say what?
#2421 [21:40] <skyboy> the launcher is independent of .minecraft/bin/minecraft.jar, is it not?
#2422 [21:40] <GreyVulpine> The launcher is just that, the launcher. It contains no actual game files. It downloads those upon a successful login of a premium account into the respective profile folder location
#2423 [21:40] <GreyVulpine> Right
#2424 [21:40] <GreyVulpine> the minecraft.jar launcher and the minecraft.jar in your /bin/ folder are two seperate files
#2425 [21:40] <skyboy> ah
#2426 [21:40] <GreyVulpine> The latter is what contains the game.
#2427 [21:41] <skyboy> yes, i know
#2428 [21:41] <haha7isaboss> Ok. I re-downloaded minecraft, clicked on the icon to run after unzipping the zip, and for some reason, it froze on the done loading screen. Also, I only get the bin folder when unzipping instead of all the folders in .minecraft
#2429 [21:42] <GreyVulpine> head to ~/Library/Application Support/minecraft and delete everything but the saves folder, then run minecraft.app again
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#2431 [21:42] * GreyVulpine heads off.
#2431 [21:42] <haha7isaboss> but I dont have a saves folder. It only re-downloaded the bin folder
#2432 [21:42] <Builder> .
#2433 [21:43] <skyboy> delete the bin folder
#2434 [21:44] <haha7isaboss> ok...
#2435 [21:45] <haha7isaboss> now its stuck on black screen again... and still only the bin folder re-downloads
#2436 [21:45] <haha7isaboss> re-installs* or whatever you call it
#2437 [21:45] <skyboy> you need to update your graphics drivers
#2438 [21:46] <skyboy> do you know what graphics card you have?
#2439 [21:46] <haha7isaboss> nope... minecraft was working fine not even 3 hours ago
#2440 [21:47] <skyboy> ?? causality
#2441 [21:47] <VoxelHead> causality: If, as soon as you changed something (like, say, adding a mod or texture pack), everything goes pear-shaped and no longer works, it doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to posit that the recent change was the probable cause of the problems.
#2442 [21:47] <VoxelHead> causality: Undo what you did that broke everything. That may unbreak things. See also win/reinst mac/reinst or linux/reinst, depending on your OS.
#2443 [21:49] <haha7isaboss> Uh... voxel, I realize that recent change was a cause of the problem. But restarting and such should alleviate the issue, which in my case (I always get the WORST errors!) it is not.
#2444 [21:49] <skyboy> ?? bot
#2445 [21:49] <VoxelHead> bot: I just type quickly.
#2446 [21:50] <Elystus> Voxelhead types at 783 words a second
#2447 [21:50] <skyboy> haha7isaboss: "Undo what you did that broke everything"
#2448 [21:50] <Builder> How do i run mcpatcher for 2 types of minecraft versions
#2449 [21:50] <Elystus> skyboy: It isn't alwasys that simple
#2450 [21:50] <Elystus> In some cases, it can be a case of the graphics drivers getting messed up by a mod.
#2451 [21:51] <Elystus> i.e. reinstall the graphics drivers.
#2452 [21:51] <skyboy> not always, but first is to get him to attempt undo what was done if possible
#2453 [21:51] <skyboy> if not, then i'll go back to telling him to reinstall his graphics drivers
#2454 [21:51] <skyboy> since he didn't want to earlier
#2455 [21:51] <haha7isaboss> I did undo what I did! If the mod replaces base class files, you can't just take away those classes and say "Oh! It's fixed!". It's not that simple!
#2456 [21:52] <skyboy> well, yes it is
#2457 [21:52] <skyboy> delete the jar, and the files are gone; then they redownload
#2458 [21:52] <Elystus> ^
#2459 [21:52] <haha7isaboss> and I dont know what the hell a graphics driver is... I"m rather uninformed in computer tech
#2460 [21:52] <skyboy> ?? gpu/amd
#2461 [21:52] <VoxelHead> gpu/amd: You can get drivers for AMD (formerly ATI) video cards here: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/index.aspx
#2462 [21:53] <skyboy> since you're on a mac, that seems most likely
#2463 [21:53] <skyboy> you might also have nvidia, though
#2464 [21:53] <skyboy> ?? gpu/nvidia
#2465 [21:53] <VoxelHead> gpu/nvidia: You can get drivers for NVIDIA video cards here: http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx
#2466 [21:53] <haha7isaboss> Uh I did delete jar... every time you ugys told me to delete .minecraft and bin, it dleted the jar!
#2467 [21:53] <skyboy> don't watch the keyboard when you type
#2468 [21:54] <haha7isaboss> ...
#2469 [21:55] <Elystus> skyboy: Ofc watch the mouse
#2470 [21:56] <Elystus> To find out your gpu do this
#2471 [21:56] <Elystus> go to the apple menu at the top and select control panel
#2472 [21:56] <Elystus> and select Hardware config.
#2473 [21:57] <haha7isaboss> control panel?
#2474 [21:58] <Elystus> Guess thats not there >_>
#2475 [21:58] * Elystus runs away
#2475 [21:58] <Elystus> I don't know much about Mac. Thats the only one I know. I believe that is for OSX. Those directions that is.
#2476 [21:59] * CHELSEAJANE2003 [CHELSEAJANE2003@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#2477 [21:59] <haha7isaboss> depends on what osx version you're talking about. im on lion
#2478 [21:59] <skyboy> if you were running *nix or windows, we'd be more helpful
#2479 [22:00] <skyboy> there are built-in debugging utilities on those that the users can use with ease
#2480 [22:00] <skyboy> but i know of no such utilities on a mac
#2481 [22:00] <CHELSEAJANE2003> How can i type on single player minecraft, i have been to options and T is not working?
#2482 [22:00] <skyboy> you can't
#2483 [22:00] <haha7isaboss> chelsea you need singleplayercommands for that
#2484 [22:00] <skyboy> that's a feature of a mod, or 1.3prerelease
#2485 [22:00] <Elystus> Or you need the snapshots
#2486 [22:01] <skyboy> neither mods nor prereleases are supported here
#2487 [22:01] <haha7isaboss> go to #risucraft for more support
#2488 [22:01] <haha7isaboss> type /channel #risucraft (correct me if i'm wrong
#2489 [22:01] <CHELSEAJANE2003> if i cant type what am i meant to do?
#2490 [22:01] <haha7isaboss> to PLAY MINECRAFT
#2491 [22:01] <DiskDaemon> /join #risucraft is what you would type
#2492 [22:02] <haha7isaboss> you're not supposed to type in ssp! you're supposed to build and explore and fight freaking zombies and creepers. :D
#2493 [22:02] <CHELSEAJANE2003> i just brought monecraft on line?
#2494 [22:02] <DiskDaemon> CHELSEAJANE2003: Here's a question. To whom would you be typing when you are in singleplayer?
#2495 [22:02] <haha7isaboss> ^^
#2496 [22:03] <Elystus> His imaginary friend?
#2497 [22:03] <haha7isaboss> I think chelsea is a female name...
#2498 [22:03] <DiskDaemon> CHELSEAJANE2003: Would you like some Getting Started info?
#2499 [22:03] <CHELSEAJANE2003> yes please Diskdaemon
#2500 [22:03] <DiskDaemon> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Tutorials/Beginner's_guide
#2501 [22:03] <Builder> lol
#2502 [22:04] <haha7isaboss> Anyway, how can I resolve my issue? I'm really worried
#2503 [22:04] <skyboy> reinstall the graphics drivers
#2504 [22:04] <CHELSEAJANE2003> Thankyou!
#2505 [22:04] <DiskDaemon> haha7isaboss: Create a new user account and try again from there. That will help to setermine whether it's a system-based issue, or a profile-based issue.
#2506 [22:05] <Builder> how do i run mcpatcher threw 2 versions of minecraft? Is that even possible
#2507 [22:05] <haha7isaboss> ? will i have to pay for minecraft again
#2508 [22:05] <Rikairchy> no haha7isaboss
#2509 [22:05] <DiskDaemon> Builder: mcpatcher is run only once, to patch minecraft. We don't support such modding here though
#2510 [22:06] <skyboy> haha7isaboss: on your computer, not on minecraft.net
#2511 [22:07] <haha7isaboss> ok
#2512 [22:07] <haha7isaboss> nope cant do that school restricted that part of system preferences :D
#2513 [22:08] <DiskDaemon> haha7isaboss: Your school quite possibly also prevented minecraft from downloading what it needs.
#2514 [22:09] <DiskDaemon> haha7isaboss: Please contact tthe IT department at your school for further technical assistance
#2515 [22:09] <skyboy> why are you trying to run minecraft on a public computer?
#2516 [22:10] <skyboy> that never turns out well
#2517 [22:10] <skyboy> the last guy in here about it was at a hotel.
#2518 [22:10] <Rikairchy> rofl.
#2519 [22:10] <haha7isaboss> but minecraft has/had what it needs/needed. This was before I tried installing castle defenders...
#2520 [22:11] <haha7isaboss> no skyboy this is on a school-loaned computer.
#2521 [22:11] <haha7isaboss> I go to fancy school.
#2522 [22:11] <Elystus> I go to a crappy school.
#2523 [22:11] <skyboy> i graduated
#2524 [22:11] <Elystus> I am graduating this year.
#2525 [22:12] <skyboy> still, contact your school's IT department for more help, haha7isaboss
#2526 [22:12] <skyboy> we can't do much to help on a mac, much less a mac that's restricted by a school
#2527 [22:12] <haha7isaboss> They'll kill me. They dont want video games on the computer :D
#2528 [22:12] <DiskDaemon> haha7isaboss: YOu know what to do then
#2529 [22:12] <haha7isaboss> ?
#2530 [22:12] <DiskDaemon> haha7isaboss: Don't play Minecraft on your school's computer.
#2531 [22:13] <haha7isaboss> only computer i have
#2532 [22:13] <Elystus> Or... or...
#2533 [22:13] <DiskDaemon> That doesn't change the situation.
#2534 [22:13] <Elystus> Make a new partition and make it windows
#2535 [22:13] <Elystus> >_>
#2536 [22:13] <Elystus> <_<
#2537 [22:13] * Elystus runs away
#2537 [22:13] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: Wouldn't the school roast him alive over doing that?
#2538 [22:13] * Elystus already started the fire.
#2538 [22:14] <oldtopman> haha7isaboss: Okay, what's the issue?
#2539 [22:14] * DiskDaemon gets the marshmellows
#2539 [22:14] * oldtopman wasn't interested until he heard it was a mac
#2539 [22:14] <DiskDaemon> oldtopman: It's a mac from his school that is restricted due to the IT department not wanting games being played on it.
#2540 [22:14] <oldtopman> I get that, what's the error?
#2541 [22:15] <DiskDaemon> it can't find the net.minecraft.LauncherFrame class
#2542 [22:15] <oldtopman> busted bin folder.
#2543 [22:15] <oldtopman> And no internet to update it
#2544 [22:15] <oldtopman> hrm
#2545 [22:15] <haha7isaboss> http://pastebin.com/EWEb3JGv
#2546 [22:15] <oldtopman> haha7isaboss: That's the only computer you have access to, ever?
#2547 [22:15] <haha7isaboss> have my dad's but he uses it for work
#2548 [22:15] <haha7isaboss> so yeah
#2549 [22:16] <oldtopman> Well, I can tell you how to get it working.
#2550 [22:16] <oldtopman> *BUT*
#2551 [22:16] <oldtopman> This is high-school, right?
#2552 [22:16] <oldtopman> And probably a private or good once since they have macs, right?
#2553 [22:17] <oldtopman> haha7isaboss: ^
#2554 [22:17] <haha7isaboss> yeah
#2555 [22:17] <haha7isaboss> i'm in middle school
#2556 [22:18] <oldtopman> Oh, middle school
#2557 [22:18] <haha7isaboss> be in hs next yeah though
#2558 [22:18] <oldtopman> Well, lemme tell you something
#2559 [22:18] <oldtopman> You gotta respect the rules to get ahead in life - in high school - in college
#2560 [22:18] <oldtopman> You have to know when to break them too.
#2561 [22:19] <oldtopman> This isn't one of those times.
#2562 [22:19] <oldtopman> It's just a game.
#2563 [22:19] <oldtopman> Risking suspension, detention, any of those *ion words
#2564 [22:19] <oldtopman> Not worth minecraft.
#2565 [22:21] <Elystus> I wouldn't do it.
#2566 [22:21] <Elystus> Btw, anyone here know of colleges in America?
#2567 [22:21] <Elystus> Wanna help me out a bit?
#2568 [22:21] <DiskDaemon> in what way?
#2569 [22:21] <oldtopman> Elystus: What kind of colleges?
#2570 [22:21] <Elystus> Computer programming schools
#2571 [22:22] <Elystus> I was going to Major in Computer science and no idea what my minors are.
#2572 [22:22] <DiskDaemon> Such as the american college of technology?
#2573 [22:22] <Elystus> ^somewhat
#2574 [22:22] <DiskDaemon> Support the programming with maths and logic / philosophy stuff
#2575 [22:22] <Elystus> Already high up in math
#2576 [22:22] <DiskDaemon> discrete maths seems to be very useful
#2577 [22:22] <haha7isaboss> ummm the school doesnt care if we download the games, all except one crazy dude
#2578 [22:23] <Elystus> haha7isaboss: But that one crazy guy could screw you over.
#2579 [22:23] <haha7isaboss> but if you could help me maybe with my error, i'd be grateful
#2580 [22:23] <haha7isaboss> elystus: that one crazy guy would hten school 80% of the junior high school over, and they'd lose revenue
#2581 [22:26] <DiskDaemon> haha7isaboss: What is the internet that you are connected to. Is it controlled by your school?
#2582 [22:26] <haha7isaboss> not the one that i'm on right now. they can only 'control' it if you're in proximity of the school grounds. I'm on my home wifi now
#2583 [22:27] <DiskDaemon> Then there should be no networking problem that's getting in the way
#2584 [22:27] * DiskDaemon is stumped with mac assistance
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#2585 [22:28] * Elystus hides behind windows and linux
#2585 [22:28] <jewstin> does anyone know how to update a texture pack
#2586 [22:29] <DiskDaemon> jewstin: Yes - replace the texture pack file in your texture pack folder
#2587 [22:31] <jewstin> by update i meant update a pack from a previous version to a newer version. example: from 1.1 to 1.2.5
#2588 [22:31] <haha7isaboss> I'm just stumped. why would this happen? it's happened once before, but after 3 weeks of youtube videos and online guides, it started working again. I clicked something, and it worked. I dont know what to click now.... this is confusing
#2589 [22:31] <DiskDaemon> jewstin: Which one is it?
#2590 [22:31] <jewstin> its an outdated texture called Zelda: Wind
#2591 [22:32] <DiskDaemon> haha7isaboss: THe next time that happens, you might want to write down what works
#2592 [22:32] <jewstin> ..Waker
#2593 [22:32] <jewstin> Zelda Wind Waker
#2594 [22:32] <DiskDaemon> http://www.olgh.net/minecraft-1-2-5-wind-waker-texture-pack/
#2595 [22:32] <DiskDaemon> Something like that?
#2596 [22:33] <haha7isaboss> yeah... i know... but i mean, you guys are geniuses. dont you guys have another solution besides graphics card thingy?
#2597 [22:34] <DiskDaemon> haha7isaboss: Sure - get a computer that you have control over.
#2598 [22:34] <Elystus> haha7isaboss: I suck at Mac
#2599 [22:34] <jewstin> finally. i havent been able to find anything for 4 1/2 months. THANK YOU SO MUCH
#2600 [22:34] <DiskDaemon> jewstin: The google search was: zelda windwaker minecraft texture
#2601 [22:35] <haha7isaboss> ...
#2602 [22:35] <jewstin> well now i feel like an idiot
#2603 [22:35] <DiskDaemon> haha7isaboss: If your computer is restricted in what is is allowed to do, you have very little options left.
#2604 [22:35] <Elystus> We have all done it at least once.
#2605 [22:37] <oldtopman> haha7isaboss: Just ask your IT department to help you out
#2606 [22:37] <oldtopman> Bring cookies or watnot
#2607 [22:37] * Elystus hands haha7isaboss a box of cookies
#2607 [22:37] <haha7isaboss> It's only restricted on certain things...
#2608 [22:37] <haha7isaboss> not very many...
#2609 [22:38] <DiskDaemon> haha7isaboss: We have no details on what it is restricted on doing. Your IT department will know though.
#2610 [22:38] <DiskDaemon> haha7isaboss: If you are not allowed to play Minecraft on that computer, then guess what? Don't play it.
#2611 [22:38] <oldtopman> haha7isaboss: Is there anything else we can assist you with?
#2612 [22:38] <DiskDaemon> I love that phrase
#2613 [22:40] <haha7isaboss> No, not really. I didnt figure you would be so... warm and welcoming...
#2614 [22:40] <jewstin> while im at it, how much RAM would you say a person should have to run MCedit. I heard it was quite a big program
#2615 [22:40] <jewstin> program/mod
#2616 [22:41] <DiskDaemon> jewstin: i wouldn't run it on less than 3 gigs
#2617 [22:42] <zkxs> haha7isaboss: The thing is, we are a minecraft support channel, not a restrictions bypassing channel
#2618 [22:42] <zkxs> Although I don't think the restrictions are the problem here
#2619 [22:43] <jewstin> ughh.. both my computers have 4 RAM and windows 7 uses 1 1/2.... but thanks anyways
#2620 [22:43] <zkxs> haha7isaboss: Have you tried reinstalling minecraft?
#2621 [22:43] <haha7isaboss> but I'm not asking for restrictions being bypassed. All I'm asking is why my game is crashing without a proper error report. Everyone here is focused on my school restrictions and whatnot.
#2622 [22:43] <haha7isaboss> Yes I've installed and re-installed numerous times.
#2623 [22:44] <DiskDaemon> The thing i question is, what with the strong consistancy between other macs, why more people with unrestricted machines aren't coming here with the same troubles
#2624 [22:44] <zkxs> Conclusion: Macs work perfectly unless restricted?
#2625 [22:44] <DiskDaemon> It seems to be a pattern of the mac being locked down in some manner which causes the issue. Hotel rooms included :)
#2626 [22:44] <zkxs> haha7isaboss: And by reinstalling, you mean deleting the .minecraft folder?
#2627 [22:45] <haha7isaboss> yes
#2628 [22:45] <DiskDaemon> zkxs: His bin folder creates itself, but nothing much more seems to occur from there
#2629 [22:45] <zkxs> Java is relatively difficult to restrict, as no good can come of marking java.exe as a blocked application
#2630 [22:45] <haha7isaboss> and re-downloading minecraft from the website
#2631 [22:45] <zkxs> haha7isaboss: Can you uninstall/reinstall software?
#2632 [22:45] <haha7isaboss> but the mac was working fine before!!!
#2633 [22:46] <haha7isaboss> miencraft included!
#2634 [22:46] <haha7isaboss> No I cant.
#2635 [22:46] <DiskDaemon> haha7isaboss: Yes but you can't go back to before. Time travel breaks the rules. You can only work with what you have now.
#2636 [22:46] <zkxs> haha7isaboss: And you can execute programs, correct? Not just java code?
#2637 [22:47] <haha7isaboss> I can't use terminal.
#2638 [22:47] <haha7isaboss> If that's what you're asking
#2639 [22:47] <oldtopman> haha7isaboss: To fix your problem we need to bypass the restrictions your school put in.
#2640 [22:47] <zkxs> If only you were on windows XP
#2641 [22:47] <oldtopman> We *will not* do that, or tell you how.
#2642 [22:47] <oldtopman> Hell, I think I'm the only one who knows how.
#2643 [22:48] <oldtopman> Go away.
#2644 [22:48] <zkxs> I know how on windows XP... XP
#2645 [22:48] <oldtopman> We can't fix your problem.
#2646 [22:48] <DiskDaemon> haha7isaboss: We are trying to nicely tell you that we are not in a position to help you
#2647 [22:48] <Elystus> oldtopman: Teach us your mac ways
#2648 [22:48] <Elystus> ;)
#2649 [22:48] <zkxs> The fact that you don't have a terminal basically shoots down my plan
#2650 [22:48] <DiskDaemon> zkxs: How would you deal with that on an XP system?
#2651 [22:48] <oldtopman> Elystus: Get a mac, use it, become boss, ???, nobody elese uses them, and they rarely break, so watch you never need your skills
#2652 [22:49] <oldtopman> Basically, it's linux with a fancy gui, and a slightly retarded version of bash
#2653 [22:49] <jewstin> haha7isaboss: just find a cracked version of MC and put it on a flash drive and run it that way. thats wat the kids at my school do
#2654 [22:49] <DiskDaemon> jewstin: Please don't ask to be banned
#2655 [22:49] <oldtopman> jewstin: Please read the rules.
#2656 [22:49] <Elystus> oldtopman: Is there a virtual machine for it? Or an iso I can download for one?
#2657 [22:50] <zkxs> Well, I'd first look for services to which I have write access to the executable. A problem a surprising number of systems have. I could replace this with my own application, normally just command prompt. From this point, I have a system level command prompt, and the system is owned.
#2658 [22:50] <jewstin> ok...
#2659 [22:50] <haha7isaboss> Ok. So if you can't help me, can Mojang?
#2660 [22:50] <Elystus> No...
#2661 [22:50] <oldtopman> haha7isaboss: Certainly not. They send most people our way anyway.
#2662 [22:50] <zkxs> If no such service exists, I could always boot to Linux and dump/inject hashes
#2663 [22:51] <zkxs> If the BIOS is locked, I could play Hard Drive Musical Chairs
#2664 [22:51] <haha7isaboss> Then who else do you guys reccomend?
#2665 [22:51] <DiskDaemon> haha7isaboss: Your IT support department
#2666 [22:51] <Elystus> ^
#2667 [22:52] <haha7isaboss> Besides that.
#2668 [22:52] <oldtopman> Hey
#2669 [22:52] <oldtopman> "- Conversations involving minecraft assistance take precedence in the channel. Please keep all idle or off-topic discussions to a minimum when assistance is being rendered."
#2670 [22:52] <zkxs> DiskDaemon: The reason I specified XP is because it has weak NT hashes, plus the permissions tend to be screwed up on files you shouldn't be able to write to.
#2671 [22:52] <DiskDaemon> haha7isaboss: Get a computer that you can control.
#2672 [22:52] <oldtopman> This is no longer assistance.
#2673 [22:53] <haha7isaboss> I'm sorry>
#2674 [22:53] <haha7isaboss> Sorry?*
#2675 [22:53] <oldtopman> shoo
#2676 [22:53] <oldtopman> We can't help you.
#2677 [22:53] <oldtopman> Sorry, but that's how it is.
#2678 [22:54] <haha7isaboss> Well then. Good day to you, gentlemen.
#2679 [22:54] <haha7isaboss> I can see when I'm not wanted...
#2680 [22:54] <zkxs> It isn't you, such as your restricted computer
#2681 [22:54] * oldtopman tips hat
#2681 [22:54] <zkxs> * so much
#2682 [22:56] <DiskDaemon> haha7isaboss: This article might be useful in terms of how the mac became restricted. We could not help in terms of unrestricting it though
#2683 [22:56] <DiskDaemon> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2400
#2684 [22:58] <zkxs> I do hate restrictions. A sizable portion of my time on the computers at my high school was spent trying to figure out how to do things I wanted to. Such as right clicking.
#2685 [22:58] * oldtopman wasn't going to tell him how to break the rules
#2685 [23:00] <Elystus> zkxs: The computers at my highschool have terrible protection
#2686 [23:00] * zkxs doesn't know how to break the rules on a mac
#2686 [23:00] <Elystus> they blocked right click
#2687 [23:00] <Elystus> but they didnt block win + r
#2688 [23:00] <Elystus> so i could use run
#2689 [23:00] <Elystus> It was weird
#2690 [23:00] <DiskDaemon> macs with a win key? Now I've heard of everything
#2691 [23:00] <zkxs> Did they block cmd?
#2692 [23:01] <Elystus> no...
#2693 [23:01] <zkxs> We've switched to school computers in general
#2694 [23:01] <DiskDaemon> aye
#2695 [23:01] <Elystus> because they assumed that we could not get there in the first place.
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#2697 [23:01] <zkxs> Why would they block right clicking? That is probably what pissed me off most.
#2698 [23:02] <Elystus> ^
#2699 [23:02] <Elystus> To be more like a mac :P
#2700 [23:02] <DiskDaemon> to prevent context-menu access
#2701 [23:02] <zkxs> But you can still get to the context menu. It is in the File and Edit menus!
#2702 [23:03] <DiskDaemon> Many of them are, but more technical ones aren't, such as when shift+right-clicking
#2703 [23:03] <nyg081> Hi guys for some reason my character keeps losing health all the way down to a half heart, and for some reason i can't eat anything (i don't even have a hunger bar) I'm playing on survival at normal difficulty. Anyone else have this problem or know how to get rid of it?
#2704 [23:03] <DiskDaemon> nyg081: Would you mind sharing with us a screenshot of the problem?
#2705 [23:04] <DiskDaemon> The F2 key can take a screenshot from within Minecraft
#2706 [23:04] <nyg081> I'm on a mac but certainly one second
#2707 [23:04] <zkxs> Do macs not have F2?
#2708 [23:05] <nyg081> they do but it controls brightness
#2709 [23:05] <DiskDaemon> It's FN+F2 for macs
#2710 [23:05] <DiskDaemon> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Screenshots
#2711 [23:06] <zkxs> That is foolish, and can most likely be changed in the BIOS back to its proper functionality.
#2712 [23:07] <DiskDaemon> It's also Fn+F2 on most laptops too now
#2713 [23:07] <nyg081> 2012-07-16_23.05.57.png
#2714 [23:07] <DiskDaemon> nyg081: Thanks for the filename, but you'll have to upload the picture for us to see it
#2715 [23:07] <zkxs> Indeed. It was like this on the HP I just ordered, and I had to fix it because I actually use the function keys.
#2716 [23:07] <DiskDaemon> imgur.com is a popular place for that
#2717 [23:08] <nyg081> haha my bad bit of an amateur
#2718 [23:08] <DiskDaemon> zkxs: you're not the only one ;)
#2719 [23:08] <zkxs> F5 is my BFF :P
#2720 [23:08] <DiskDaemon> I mean, who doesn't use F2 to rename, F5 to refresh, F11 to fullscreen, and so on?
#2721 [23:09] <nyg081> http://imgur.com/32Zpz
#2722 [23:09] <DiskDaemon> nyg081: Do you still not see the hunger bar when using the default texture pack?
#2723 [23:10] <nyg081> o my god thats embarrassing
#2724 [23:10] <nyg081> yeah its the texture pack i guess
#2725 [23:10] <DiskDaemon> nyg081: Your health will only regenerate when your hungar bar is at 9 or 10 points
#2726 [23:11] <nyg081> makes sense any idea how to get the hunger bar on a dokucraft texture pack?
#2727 [23:12] <DiskDaemon> There was a doku saga continues collection, that seems to work well
#2728 [23:13] <nyg081> Ok i'll look it up thanks for your help man
#2729 [23:13] <DiskDaemon> The thread is at http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/513093-32x16x125-dokucraft-the-saga-continues/
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#2731 [23:15] <DiskDaemon> nyg081: that's okay - it's nice to have an issue in here that's easily resolved for a change
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#2735 [23:20] <slowfi> does it require some special incantation to join a multiplayer server? I can't make it work, but I have a bonafide premium account and can play singleplayer just fine. I always get connection lost failed to login: bad login no matter what multiplayer server I try
#2736 [23:21] <Elystus> I believe you are looking for a connecting ritual.
#2737 [23:21] <Elystus> It will require white candles and an enternet cable
#2738 [23:21] <DiskDaemon> slowfi: let's check to see if your access to session.minecraft.net is good, shall we?
#2739 [23:22] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: inb4 I'm serious lol
#2740 [23:22] <slowfi> I'm just running vanilla minecraft 1.2.5 with no mods
#2741 [23:22] <DiskDaemon> slowfi: Open a command prompt and type this: ping session.minecraft.net
#2742 [23:22] <DiskDaemon> copy what happens there, and paste it to pastebin.com for us to take a look at
#2743 [23:24] <slowfi> request timed out
#2744 [23:25] <slowfi> 4 packets sent, none received
#2745 [23:25] <DiskDaemon> slowfi: That seems fine then
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#2747 [23:26] <DiskDaemon> slowfi: The login fails too if you are using a different version of the game from what the server is using
#2748 [23:27] <DiskDaemon> slowfi: What version of Minecraft are you using?
#2749 [23:27] <slowfi> maybe all the multiplayer hosts I picked are flaky. I found a random sample on the web
#2750 [23:27] <slowfi> 1.2.5, and I checked to make sure they advertised 1.2,5
#2751 [23:28] <DiskDaemon> slowfi: What happens when you try s.nerd.nu ?
#2752 [23:28] <DiskDaemon> That's the reddit survival server
#2753 [23:29] <slowfi> I just wanted any old survival multiplayer 1.2.5 to see if it works, there should be plenty.
#2754 [23:29] <slowfi> ok I'll try s.nerd.nu
#2755 [23:30] <DiskDaemon> Yes there should be. Would you mind trying it out on that one that we know works well, for testing purposes?
#2756 [23:30] <DiskDaemon> thanks
#2757 [23:32] <slowfi> cool--- s.nerd.nu works for me. I never played minecraft multiplayer
#2758 [23:32] <DiskDaemon> Good one
#2759 [23:32] <DiskDaemon> ??> slowfi smp/servers
#2760 [23:32] <slowfi> I'm logged on
#2761 [23:32] <VoxelHead> slowfi: (smp/servers) There currently is no master list of all SMP servers. Fan-made indexes include http://minestatus.net/ - http://www.mcserverlist.net/ - http://www.reddit.com/r/mcservers - http://minecraftservers.net/ - http://minecraft.dk/mcserverlist/
#2762 [23:32] <VoxelHead> slowfi: (smp/servers) You can also find a list at the MC forums at http://www.minecraftforum.net/forum/31-servers/ . Also, try the #smp channel.
#2763 [23:34] <slowfi> so I must try many hosts to find one that works for me
#2764 [23:34] <DiskDaemon> indeed - it can depends on how good your connection is to them
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#2766 [23:35] <Tiamat> name change
#2767 [23:35] <slowfi> if I want to use optifine or rei minimap, will they let me?
#2768 [23:35] <DiskDaemon> Such knowledge of mods isn't something we do here
#2769 [23:36] <slowfi> rei minimap has many features some might call cheating
#2770 [23:36] <Tiamat> is there a way to change the minecraft ign yet?
#2771 [23:36] <DiskDaemon> ign?
#2772 [23:36] <slowfi> like monster radar
#2773 [23:36] <DiskDaemon> slowfi: Such knowledge of mods isn't something we do here
#2774 [23:37] <Tiamat> ingame name/login name
#2775 [23:37] * wogus [wogus@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#2776 [23:37] <DiskDaemon> Ahh. No.
#2777 [23:37] <wogus> skyboy|MCC:
#2778 [23:38] <skyboy> ?
#2779 [23:38] <wogus> remember last night when you made me post logs?
#2780 [23:38] <wogus> someone broke onto my server and TNTed the living crap out of everything
#2781 [23:38] <Tiamat> are they still working on making it possible?
#2782 [23:38] <DiskDaemon> Tiamat: They're working on it. The account migration plan is a part of that
#2783 [23:39] <skyboy> we can't stop greifers
#2784 [23:39] <wogus> just came here to share the blame for not having a whitelist for a personal server AND you making me post my server >.<
#2785 [23:39] <Tiamat> ok so ill prolly be able to change from my Nirvatho name
#2786 [23:39] <zkxs> This is why you make backups?
#2787 [23:39] <DiskDaemon> wogus: There is evidence that griefers came from here?
#2788 [23:40] <wogus> DiskDaemon: there's no really other way to guess my IP
#2789 [23:40] <zkxs> Well, it is plausible. There are at least two bots who save logs to HTTP servers google knows of, a scraper could have picked up on his log. Also, pastebin itself links to recent pastes.
#2790 [23:40] <DiskDaemon> wogus: Anyone on IRC can see that your current address is webchat@99-1-246-100.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net
#2791 [23:41] <wogus> that's not my server IP though =)
#2792 [23:41] <skyboy> !check 99.1.246.100
#2793 [23:41] <skyboy> looks like it to me
#2794 [23:41] <wogus> I guess it is the first couple numbers only >.<;
#2795 [23:42] <wogus> point is! how else would they know I play MC?
#2796 [23:42] <DiskDaemon> It's better to know what is public information, so that you can help to protect yourself on future occasions
#2797 [23:42] <wogus> ionno dmg wasnt too big since I had a backup from last night
#2798 [23:43] <wogus> just letting skyboy know it happened
#2799 [23:43] <slowfi> I have no idea how to do multiplayer stuff.
#2800 [23:44] <wogus> aiite with that said adieu again =)
#2801 [23:44] <DiskDaemon> slowfi: Commonly there is a website for the server that provides certain details about such things
#2802 [23:44] <zkxs> There are only 4 billion IPs to check. How many minecraft servers on 25565 do you think there are?
#2803 [23:44] <DiskDaemon> wogus: Good bye and good luck - remember the backups. You can't get it back if you don't back it up
#2804 [23:44] <slowfi> who is s.nerd.nu? and a spider just killed me
#2805 [23:45] <DiskDaemon> That's the survival server run by the reddit.com website
#2806 [23:46] <slowfi> can I just start choopping down trees and making tools?
#2807 [23:46] <DiskDaemon> The subreddit in relation to that is http://www.reddit.com/r/mcpublic
#2808 [23:46] <zkxs> http://www.whois.net/whois/nerd.nu
#2809 [23:46] <DiskDaemon> Website http://nerd.nu/ and FAQ http://redditpublic.com/wiki/FAQ
#2810 [23:47] <DiskDaemon> zkxs: Here's an intro to playing on the survival surver http://redditpublic.com/wiki/Survival_Introduction
#2811 [23:47] <zkxs> Thanks
#2812 [23:47] <slowfi> it's frustrating I can't browse the web when running minecraft. I need a better computer
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#2815 [23:47] <teetor314> hello again all
#2816 [23:47] <teetor314> anyone seen 8bitben?
#2817 [23:48] <zkxs> !seen 8bitben
#2818 [23:48] <GreyBot> I found 32 results for your LastSeen query. Here are the top 5, starting with the newest result: |8bitben|Away |8bitben| |8bitben|Zzz |8bitben|Food |8bitben|HouseMDFinale
#2819 [23:48] <GreyBot> I last saw |8bitben|Away (~ben@209.141.57.65) 45mins 53secs ago, changing nicknames from their old nick, which was |8bitben|.
#2820 [23:49] <skyboy> 32?
#2821 [23:49] <skyboy> !seen skyboy
#2822 [23:49] <GreyBot> Look in a mirror, skyboy.
#2823 [23:49] <zkxs> Those blasted nick changers
#2824 [23:49] <skyboy> pfft.
#2825 [23:51] <zkxs> I keep a database of hostnames and the nicks they use to keep track of clones, and Wug. Because of those silly nick changers the database is 1.3 MB (25608 lines)
#2826 [23:52] <skyboy> i don't change nicks, i just have two active clients :P
#2827 [23:53] <DiskDaemon> It's incrediby useful though, to have someone come in the next day under a different name, for us to know that they were last in here earlier on
#2828 [23:53] <zkxs> This script was from before wugbot got all fancy with the +notices
#2829 [23:54] <zkxs> I feel the sudden urge rename it to hipster.pl
#2830 [23:54] * DiskDaemon fails to remove foot from mouth
#2830 [23:56] <zkxs> My clone logging began after Wug decided to pretend to be a noob
#2831 [23:56] <zkxs> I wonder if I have the log...
#2832 [23:57] <nyg081> Hi again guys, I'm having trouble with dokucraft and I can't seem to figure it out. I downloaded dokucraft saga continues high ( thencompressed it into a zip) and I've had mcpatcher hd i patched and then added dokucraft saga continues too my texture packs folder and although it appears in my texture packs it runs as the default texture pack. Where did i go wrong?
#2833 [23:57] <skyboy> oh, that reminds me. a couple days ago vox voiced me. was that an automatic bot thing, or did i accidentally trigger a command?
#2834 [23:57] <skyboy> ??>> nyg081 mods
#2835 [23:58] <skyboy> if it's only a texture pack, we'll see what we can do
#2836 [23:59] <DiskDaemon> skyboy: I suspect that may have been DopeGhoti being nice